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00:04:11.100 guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age occupation where you're from

00:04:15.760 in education go ahead hi i'm sin i'm 39 i live in la and i work in the cannabis industry

00:04:23.740 all right any education high school high school okay did you go to college at all or anything

00:04:30.720 okay uh hi my name is eugenia i'm 34 uh i'm a research student and i teach at

00:04:39.120 uh glasgow university and i'm from brooklyn originally you teach at film studies at glasgow

00:04:47.640 university okay and what's your uh what did you study when you were going to university

00:04:52.260 uh i did an mfa in film production and screenwriting what about the feminist component of that oh well i'm

00:04:59.840 doing feminist film theory now what is that glasgow university it's feminist uh interpretation of

00:05:07.860 film theory so it's laura mulvey all those people involved in it so is it are you analyzing feminist

00:05:15.860 films or you're analyzing no no you're analyzing oh hold on hold on sorry sorry okay or are you

00:05:20.240 analyzing films through a feminist lens exactly that yeah the second one okay have you analyzed any

00:05:27.280 quentin tarantino films through feminist lens he's not part of my uh specification but other people

00:05:34.040 have yeah okay what what films am i looking at are you looking at uh well my main focus is jane

00:05:42.540 campion claire denis and andrea arnold those are the three filmmakers who i'm writing about mainly

00:05:47.320 who the fuck is that guy sorry who andrea arnold she had a film called fish tank and american honey

00:05:56.400 they came out not too long ago right and jane campion had power of the dog is her famous one she won the

00:06:03.420 best director for that one okay and uh the other one is claire denis and you said uh so undergrad you

00:06:10.100 got your degree in what my undergrad was history i got a bachelor in history from which university

00:06:16.660 mcgill mcgill okay yeah and uh your master's stony brook university in new york and what what was

00:06:25.100 the it was a mfa it was a screenwriting and then you have a phd or you're working on it i'm working

00:06:31.720 on it okay and that is also in film uh film studies yeah yeah okay what about you i'm kelly i'm 23 i work

00:06:40.320 in the automotive industry i also make commentary videos and stream on twitch at kinetic kill okay

00:06:45.540 do you want to answer oh and i'm from san diego sorry um any university or anything like that no

00:06:51.020 university went straight to the vocational path but it's been paying off okay and you said you

00:06:56.720 work in the automotive industry yeah i do car sales just sounded fancier uh which which brand or i

00:07:03.400 probably don't want to say that just because like they know what city i live in oh okay that's fine

00:07:08.060 sorry that's fine but you're a car salesman yes i sell cars sure what about you my name is elizabeth i

00:07:14.440 am 27 i am from phoenix arizona i am a mom i am a content creator and i am getting ready to go back

00:07:21.420 to school uh what's the highest level of education my high school okay got it what about you my name

00:07:28.380 is amanda bover i'm 34 i'm a mom and a security guard i'm from santa barbara california and i've done

00:07:36.520 some vocational school okay uh any associates degree or just for the vocational school i'm two

00:07:44.180 months away from my associates gotcha okay uh and you said you're a security guard you have your guard

00:07:50.000 card yes okay and you do uh i work at the santa barbara bowl and i usually do electronic music

00:07:57.540 festivals okay i'm working northern nights you work event security yes okay you're not like doing

00:08:03.040 executive protection okay got it what about you hi i'm jenna i'm the doors please 31 um i am a

00:08:12.340 bartender i'm from rancho cucamonga and um i did a little bit of college but nothing serious okay

00:08:20.440 occupation bartending uh and you said you did a little bit of education what was that i just took

00:08:26.600 some college courses i was wanted to get into marine biology but i never finished okay bartender

00:08:32.840 yes gotcha like a bar nightclub private events it's a it's it's across from a golf course so we close

00:08:41.380 early it's nothing crazy nightlife we close at 10 o'clock gotcha okay what about you i'm julie i'm 45

00:08:47.900 i live in la county um i have a bachelor's in psychology and my education specialist credential

00:08:53.980 i'm a teacher and i also am a assistant coordinator for private ministry and we assist people moving in

00:09:01.880 from the public sector into the private allowing them to have be more tax beneficial uh operating

00:09:10.040 out of trust things of that nature we also invest in commercial paper and and uh and things in that

00:09:15.040 realm i i looked into it a little bit because you have a link to it in your instagram um and something

00:09:22.980 about secured party creditor yes are you a secured party creditor i am actually so look i i hope i i

00:09:33.400 don't know anything about this um and i don't know if this is a fair comparison are you a sovereign

00:09:41.620 citizen yeah so i try to stay away from that um that has a lot of negative connotation um and i um so i

00:09:49.480 initiated with spc or secured party creditor with the intention of going further uh private um but

00:09:56.360 at this point i'm just staying with that so it really doesn't change anything for me doesn't change

00:09:59.620 anything in my life um it just kind of opens the door if i choose to go any further in the private

00:10:04.140 realm and it does allow you to do particular things um you can discharge bonds so you can discharge

00:10:11.720 things like um uh say you have student loans uh credit loans things of that nature um once you go

00:10:19.780 through the spc process you are able to discharge those meaning you no longer owe on them you're

00:10:25.080 discharging the bond on that but are you

00:10:28.240 because of your secured what is it secured party creditor status are you beyond the reach of the laws of

00:10:39.060 the united states government no you would have to go significantly further um and and really it does

00:10:45.000 require a significant amount of funds to be able to do that um can you explain that process like yeah

00:10:51.880 so so i i do more of the administrative component so to go into extreme detail i probably wouldn't be

00:10:58.580 able to um but the next step we have a couple of other steps that are um so one would be becoming a

00:11:05.520 non-citizen um and that is basically handling all of these bonds through probate court um and we do

00:11:12.480 have access to these things um this is not just a bunch of paperwork and i mean you hear all kinds

00:11:19.500 of nonsense all the time we have people come to us um that have had you know failed attempts at doing

00:11:25.500 these things um and we also do uh international processes so that goes all the way to the hague

00:11:31.420 um so so beyond that um that's probably as best in detail as i can uh articulate okay uh cat thank

00:11:41.420 for the big gifted 50 guys w's in the chat for cat for the gifted 50 memberships thank you so much cat

00:11:46.100 appreciate it okay wait but so you're saying with the secured party creditor thing when you get far

00:11:54.760 enough you can be out of reach of the civil and criminal laws of the united states government

00:12:04.840 is that essentially yes because you're not under the jurisdiction of the united states government

00:12:09.920 so would this and would you like revoke your citizenship in order to do this or do you remain

00:12:16.860 a citizen no you uh you would you know you would i don't want to say revoke because that's not the

00:12:22.720 proper terminology but you would no longer be a quote unquote unquote citizen of the u.s wait quote

00:12:29.240 unquote yeah i got a little so wait are you on the path to becoming an out you're are these outlaws

00:12:39.100 are you outlaws for for no no it's it really isn't there's so much negativity surrounding that and

00:12:45.520 that's why when you asked me last time if i was a sovereign citizen i said no because i don't want to

00:12:50.040 be associated with that either um but it does take wait i asked you last time if you're a sovereign

00:12:53.920 citizen you did oh okay um it's uh um sorry can you ask me again your question well it's just i i don't

00:13:04.320 know the the whole thing it seems sovereign citizen-y a little bit she traveled here sure

00:13:12.280 are you understandably what is that the traveler i am the traveler and the yeah right i am i am yes

00:13:18.820 i'm not subject i'm not traveling i'm you know can i ask a question right you can ask her but but

00:13:26.000 to to be fair to operate in this capacity it takes a significant deal of uh education um

00:13:34.880 from when you say education constitutional law um you know tax law etc etc there's so many people out

00:13:41.800 there operating you know saying they know how to do all of these things and you can you can

00:13:46.340 absolutely end yourself in in big trouble a lot of people try to do these things so um i'm i would

00:13:51.220 say that i'm blessed to wait is it is this part of the redemption movement are you part of the

00:13:56.600 redemption movement no i wouldn't associate myself with any of those things but but to be okay to be

00:14:01.920 fair um what is it the redemption manual i think a lot of people follow that um but things are always

00:14:07.540 changing um and if you're you know if you're following certain things you you have to be

00:14:12.240 in the know of what's changing you know who's who's in office um other you know procedures that

00:14:17.680 go particular ways again um i'm not the best to articulate this my my boss and dear friend um would

00:14:24.760 be significantly is significantly better is your boss a secured party creditor i i i don't want to

00:14:32.460 speak on him he's but i will but i will say that um is i i don't i don't like saying these things

00:14:40.360 because i know just adds more scrutiny um but i what's wrong with screw is it all but ask your

00:14:46.900 question is it just mainly like a religious exemption for taxes or no no or it's totally you're not under

00:14:53.300 the jurisdiction of the united states right i mean you can't just stop paying taxes you have to do you

00:14:58.700 know particular things you can discharge your irs bonds you can uh some people just simply do a

00:15:03.460 revocation of election um and so on have you paid your taxes this year uh well for the last year i was

00:15:11.820 not receiving any income um okay but or the prior year uh but i was teaching this last year so i will

00:15:19.380 either have to pay taxes or do either other options lawful money redemption i could do revocation of

00:15:26.920 election wait i'm a bit confused because she asked if it was related to religion but you described it

00:15:33.040 as a ministry right so if you operate as a 508 c 508 c1a i believe um then you are operating as a

00:15:43.680 ministry and therefore uh so for example if someone is utilizing one of your services you do this through

00:15:51.400 initially do this through membership um so in order to operate you agree to these these terms

00:15:56.680 programs and then um it's a cult and then no not not at all um and then i'm sorry i spaced out on

00:16:04.400 this on the second part of that um oh instead of taking a payment for a service you would take a

00:16:10.440 donation and because it is a donation yeah it is not eligible to be taxed oh i see okay i understand

00:16:16.900 like the church right but usually churches operate as a 501 c3 i i get them mixed up um so it is a

00:16:25.200 little bit different um wait but so are you have you named yourself as both a debtor and creditor

00:16:32.740 yes and your boss is also a debtor and creditor and you file ucc1 statements correct okay and something

00:16:41.660 about i'm reading it here attempting to reclaim their straw man identity well this is going i mean

00:16:47.740 this is a lot of the old lingo that's been in it's not in use anymore uh no i mean it is um it's just

00:16:54.060 uh i don't know okay but and so by doing this though um does this give you sovereignty from laws

00:17:05.120 debts taxes or courts not to the not to where i'm at at this moment what do you what do you mean

00:17:12.260 where you're at i i've only i've only gone i've only done becoming a secured party creditor people

00:17:18.240 think that that's the end all be all and you're free and all this other nonsense when in fact is

00:17:22.500 in a sense i don't want to say it's nothing it's just a foundational component for moving forward and

00:17:27.580 doing other things but once you it is possible to get to that point like your boss is at that point

00:17:33.620 correct okay and you know other people who are at that point i don't personally know anyone

00:17:40.260 uh because it is a it's a very expensive um route to take to go through the the complete process

00:17:51.540 okay um but you you said your boss is sovereign if you want to use that word well but okay so um

00:18:03.860 but you're saying that it once you get to that the fullest extent of being a secured party creditor

00:18:13.160 that would make you sovereign from laws debts taxes or courts is that correct

00:18:20.060 i yes okay so but does your boss does he live in the united states

00:18:27.580 not on his taxes uh yeah i think i think i can say that yes and then yeah hold on uh so to be clear

00:18:39.680 somebody who's a secured party creditor could commit the act of murder but if they're as far as they can

00:18:48.300 go in terms of however you framed it becoming a secured party creditor they could not be prosecuted

00:18:56.760 for murder on the federal or state level by the united states government that's a good question

00:19:02.760 and i i don't have the answer to that um so i i i won't speak on it i i don't think that that's the

00:19:09.160 goal of any of the you know certainly not the goal of any of that right but i'm not saying it's the

00:19:13.820 goal of it but i'm saying if it is the case that somebody who has gone far enough into becoming a

00:19:20.060 secured party creditor that they are uh immune to the laws or debts taxes or courts whatever

00:19:27.220 wouldn't would that not extend itself to certain criminal actions i mean murder is very extreme

00:19:33.920 why don't i just say like a dui if you get pulled over by a police officer whether whether it's uh you

00:19:41.300 know county sheriff a city police officer or a federal law enforcement officer well there's a

00:19:47.600 difference between um right a crime actually is defined by causing injury to another person

00:19:56.080 but this doesn't even go to that to that extent right but um so i guess i guess hypothetically

00:20:01.760 yes what do you mean hypothetically like so when you say hypothetically yes if someone somebody was

00:20:10.380 pulled over by law enforcement officer for dui they would not be subject to the jurisdiction

00:20:16.940 of uh either state law or you know whatever it doesn't mean that they and again like i said i

00:20:25.300 generally walk people through the process i'm more of the administrative component so to fairly answer

00:20:30.060 these questions i'm not the right person um but you know a person like that might actually be you could

00:20:36.540 actually be arrested but because of um what's held in your uh secured party creditor documentation

00:20:43.980 um there's ways that you can move around these things um but again i i want to be very very

00:20:51.740 straightforward and say that um this is not for just anyone you can't just do a process and then think

00:20:57.300 that you're completely fine you have to know how to operate you have to know the laws you have to know

00:21:02.940 how to conduct yourself in court etc etc okay but you're saying that yes you could be arrested

00:21:09.780 but you would be able to successfully challenge the merits of the arrest and evade prosecution

00:21:17.460 through the court system by claiming to be a secured party creditor is what you're saying i would not

00:21:23.820 say that um but you said that it gives it gives people so for example let's say you're you're um

00:21:32.420 arrested because you don't have a license for example right sure driver's license yeah um

00:21:38.500 they because of what's stated in um i believe it's your uh your legal notice in demand your

00:21:47.460 collateral um because it's fault but you're falsely arrested i'm even taking this to another place

00:21:52.020 uh another i don't know what i want to say you could actually um sue and get money back um or just sue

00:22:02.900 them and win um because they're they're countering your person i again wait sorry i i don't i don't

00:22:10.900 think it's fair for me to continue speaking because i i don't have i i you know wait countering your

00:22:16.780 person you're um what do you mean right there it's against your your body and your collateral

00:22:22.740 etc collateral wait i don't know the person i want to be able to answer this better but i but

00:22:28.500 to be fair again i i i don't have that breadth of knowledge this is actually something i think we

00:22:34.100 should be not not the sovereign part but in terms of constitutional law and things like that this is

00:22:38.100 what i actually think we should be teaching in the classroom you know as we you know are you a natural

00:22:42.420 person like when you get arrested when you say you're a sovereign citizen you get arrested and they

00:22:47.540 can't take you in no like again i i don't want to misspeak on anything so uh we should have a class in

00:22:54.020 school on how to write uh your income off as donations for sure oh there's absolutely you know

00:22:59.780 many many things that we can do but we're not we're never taught that in in school so are these

00:23:04.180 people just essentially above the law i i wouldn't say i wouldn't say that it's not i again i think

00:23:10.020 there's such a negative connotation with people trying to pose it that way and and that's not really

00:23:15.940 what it is at all um were you on a previous episode because i'm having like deja who i remember you

00:23:21.460 she's been on the show before because i remember this conversation i tried to avoid it well i don't

00:23:27.780 think it got we touched on it no because i i think i just asked you if you're a sovereign citizen and

00:23:33.620 that was it but wait but you said the person are you the agent like are you the person your name's

00:23:40.500 julie right correct yeah are you the person julie are you the agent julie or what are you i am the

00:23:49.140 living woman julie are you the natural person the natural living woman are you the living soul

00:23:55.460 or are you the legal but are you a legal fiction i am not a legal fiction not a legal fiction

00:24:01.860 the legal fiction is brought into play when your birth certificate there's like some sovereign

00:24:05.940 citizen no don't play with a judge um what is it um there's some good stuff out there and there's

00:24:13.780 some awful stuff out there i'm trying to see if there's a i don't know um okay so

00:24:25.060 it sounds like you're a sovereign citizen but like with a different title case closed

00:24:32.500 at this point there's nothing i there's there's nothing that i can do unless i you know teach myself

00:24:38.740 how to operate in such a way right i i just did the foundational component and that's all well i

00:24:44.740 guess one question so you said down the road when you you said you need to accrue more knowledge and you

00:24:50.740 it requires uh money or i don't know whatever whatever it requires down the road would you be able would

00:24:59.540 you be immune from criminal prosecution i i don't i would i would wait i don't want to touch that one

00:25:08.740 why not because i don't i don't know but wait don't you work i guess in in theory you work for

00:25:13.140 i do but but like a company that i walk people through the uh procedural process of becoming secured

00:25:20.100 party um and i you know handle membership and emails and and all that good stuff what's the rate

00:25:27.380 what's the fee to like if i came to you i was like how much do i have to pay you

00:25:31.700 to get started on the path of becoming a secured party creditor uh our membership is three hundred

00:25:40.020 dollars and if you wanted to become spc it's two thousand dollars two thousand dollars okay

00:25:46.340 can i get like a 50 discount or maybe brian maybe okay if you if you stop asking me

00:25:52.900 someone but but so what what do you what do they get like knowledge what somebody buys your thing

00:26:03.140 what do they get so for example i can um if i want to discharge bonds so if i want to discharge

00:26:14.420 my license if i want to discharge my birth certificate bond if i want to discharge

00:26:18.820 um uh my my student loans etc those are things i can do through the bond on my birth certificate

00:26:27.220 which is a component of becoming secured party uh okay do you get commission for new recruits

00:26:34.900 no i don't no okay good sound a little sketchy you're forgetting you're forgetting her she's there too

00:26:41.140 right yeah yeah well maybe we'll come back to that later sovereign citizen or not sorry secured uh

00:26:47.700 party creditor all right uh your intro please yes my name is pia i'm 27 i'm from new york i'm an

00:26:56.260 electrician and highest education is trade school all right you said you're an electrician yes master

00:27:05.540 journeyman master electrician i'm a licensed master electrician licensed in new york i run my own

00:27:11.220 business what part of new york uh so the business is is in sullivan county is that like like long

00:27:20.260 island or no no we call it upstate but it's not upstate so you're upstate new york yeah sure where

00:27:25.220 it's not it's not upstate i grew up in rockland county so it's two counties down so where the city

00:27:30.740 is there's the hudson river other side of the hudson river so by jersey yeah kind of by jersey okay

00:27:37.460 okay so have you been to the jersey shore yes okay all right uh special there hold on one sec we have

00:27:45.540 a chat coming through sorry for the delay on this i was very curious about the secured party creditor

00:27:51.060 stuff but we have chef dill pickles sorry for the delay on this chair wait what the hell why is it

00:27:58.100 one sec hold on what did i do there it is tts is working still pickles donated two hundred dollars

00:28:04.900 thank you man chair five what is your drug of choice that that's you me yeah i'm a stoner okay

00:28:12.500 you're still me i'm a stoner all the way you're a stoner all right there you go there you go okay

00:28:17.780 cool uh i hope that answers your question chef dill pickles okay uh rock and roll electrician i need

00:28:25.940 i need some electrical work done so i'll talk to you maybe maybe i'll give you a deal you know thank you

00:28:30.740 give me a deal thank you very much we'll see how the show goes a deal i can't refuse she's still

00:28:36.580 gonna make 30 on you all right yeah uh going around the table once more oh wait uh somebody i am

00:28:43.460 a living natural man okay now that helps somebody find me the quote from that that thing with the

00:28:50.340 judge anyways uh relationship status if you're single how long have you been single and longest

00:28:56.180 relationship go ahead um my longest relationship was my marriage which was like nine years ten years

00:29:03.700 something like that and i'm single the last six months but i just started briefly talking to

00:29:11.140 somebody like we went on our first date already so it was pretty cool like so it was fresh so you

00:29:15.220 said sorry single six months and you just but you just started talking to somebody yeah i just started

00:29:20.180 talking to somebody it went really cool okay it was pretty cool longest relationship sorry i'm like 10

00:29:25.060 years my marriage you were married yes uh only been married once yes okay i had two kids with my

00:29:30.980 marriage two kids one father yes okay wait yes pause um okay and uh so 10 year who initiated the divorce

00:29:42.660 we both like kind of fell apart but i was the one that said like it's not working out so you know we

00:29:49.620 tried after like to work it out and we got therapy and stuff but it just didn't work okay

00:29:55.220 all right what about you uh i'm single right now okay longest relationship three years three years

00:30:04.820 how long have you been single for uh five five years five years yeah three-year relationship was that

00:30:14.580 the one that ended five years ago that's right okay who broke up with who um

00:30:21.300 um yeah i just i ended it so it was me okay what about you my longest relationship was four years

00:30:32.260 and i am single as of last week

00:30:35.940 tragic the four-year relationship was that the one that ended one week ago no that was like my high

00:30:41.620 school sweetheart okay so you were the relationship that ended one week ago can you give us some details

00:30:46.820 on that so i was um i literally like altered my whole world perspective for this mother i just got

00:30:54.660 out of a polycule basically it was my first like crack at this kind of situation uh for the panel and

00:31:01.780 the viewers explain what the polycule is so basically he like he asked me out when he already had a

00:31:07.300 girlfriend and then i had to like meet my sister wife and be friends with her we weren't dating or

00:31:14.180 anything but yeah it was interesting new experiences um yeah the polycule dumped me

00:31:21.300 because i yeah it's a long story so how many people were in the polycule just two other people it was you

00:31:28.340 and two other two other men no so i was dating the guy the guy also had a girlfriend and then

00:31:33.780 literally like we broke up because the guy got mad that i was like streaming with this it's a long

00:31:37.300 story this other dude but he's he was like jealous about me talking to someone else when he literally

00:31:41.700 has a girlfriend and we're like polyamorous so i'm kind of confused still honestly like he was acting

00:31:47.300 like i was cheating on him when so you were the he was dating her first met you and you were like

00:31:53.380 like the unicorn as they call it i guess no they we were like actually dating first and the thing is

00:31:57.620 both of them have been poly for like over two years at this point and when i was like well i want to

00:32:01.940 meet the other girl who's like this mystery woman you know and it's going to take away like the

00:32:05.940 boogeyman aspect of it i felt like both of them had never introduced like cross-pollinated their

00:32:10.740 partners i'm like it just sounds like you're not really in a serious relationship then it's not

00:32:14.100 like a polycule i'm like if we're gonna polycule let's do it like but have you been in this kind of

00:32:20.180 arrangement before no this is all of my like relationships had been super like serious and

00:32:26.740 long and boring up until that point so and monogamous or yeah okay yeah this was interesting

00:32:33.940 dude yeah i know i was all ready to like you know argue on behalf of non-traditional relationships but

00:32:41.540 what do you mean just like the monogamy like this guy would always say things like that he's like oh

00:32:48.020 that's very monogamy coded like the way you're thinking it's so toxic and then literally like

00:32:53.220 dumped me because i was streaming with this dude it's it's insane you were streaming with this dude

00:32:58.580 he's like it's disrespectful because he like was flirting with you i'm like he's like you shouldn't

00:33:02.660 stream with him anymore i was like wait but we're polyamorous i don't understand well so was the

00:33:09.540 expectation that he can see other people but you can't was that basically yes but he didn't want to

00:33:16.900 just say that so he's just like no it's just the way you went about it that was disrespectful i'm like

00:33:21.860 yeah he's yeah he's a very bad communicator all right uh have you had a rebound not yet this

00:33:27.380 literally just happened yeah any guys in the picture currently nope okay what about you i am

00:33:33.460 in a relationship my longest relationship was five five and a half years six years all right how long

00:33:39.860 have you been seeing the current guy um it's my oldest son's dad so we've been in each other's

00:33:45.540 lives for 10 years well but you guys were have been on and off right no so we were together for a

00:33:53.620 year and a half i had my son we split up and then we kind of did our own things and we just recently

00:34:00.660 got back together so okay and you have how many kids four kids how many fathers four fathers

00:34:13.700 uh cool uh wait so four kids four fathers

00:34:22.260 go ahead get back into it brian let me just do the math on that and still built like that god damn

00:34:30.660 what okay um are you bisexual because it looks like you have a fan over there are you guys bi or

00:34:40.980 whatever i just i was like no no girls scare me to be honest i couldn't be with a girl okay

00:34:51.380 good talk wait so okay let's do timeline here how old were you when you had your first kid 18

00:34:55.940 second kid uh 21 third kid 24 5 fourth kid uh 26 okay so four kids four different fathers um

00:35:08.020 were these guys like any of them one night stands no um my son's father my my two-year-old

00:35:14.980 we had been on and off for years like hooking up on and off and we were really like we were best

00:35:20.580 friends but when i got pregnant he just kind of like dipped i haven't talked to him since so i

00:35:26.660 would consider that one not a one night stand but i wasn't serious with him okay all right we have uh

00:35:32.420 grid one here coming in with a message here we go what there is there it is grid one motorsports

00:35:41.060 donated two hundred dollars and one cent do not gloss over that he was a homeless dude living in a

00:35:46.980 her scale also you lost the debate on non-traditional relationships last week

00:35:53.060 damn damn grid oh wait the poly cool guy or the four-year relationship guy the four-year

00:36:00.340 relationship guy was like high school the who's the homeless dude the poly cool guy he's living in

00:36:05.380 a hearse uh-huh he's a he's also a stand-up comedian he calls himself a homeless romantic

00:36:09.860 what else nice um so he lives in a hearse so you guys would be having sex no no they'd come to my

00:36:20.420 house i have some self-respect you know they would come to your house in a hearse that they're living

00:36:25.780 in you got some self-respect you know i'm just waiting for like they're going on tour for like

00:36:31.540 his his stand-up soon you know his girlfriend was alive correct yeah okay just yeah yeah yeah i

00:36:38.980 i literally posted a picture on my instagram transporting of us like both body in the hearse

00:36:44.580 his cheek like both of us on each side of him i'm like my damn i made like my high school friends

00:36:50.420 confused for nothing did you know prior to having intercourse with him that he was homeless it's it's

00:37:00.740 it's not like that it's like a like temporary situation like he's no but but i'm just he disclosed

00:37:07.540 to you he was homeless right yes it's like it's like a struggling artist like choice thing right

00:37:12.580 so yeah i know bad decisions such an o so i feel like you know kinetic o

00:37:19.220 bare minimum it's just like yeah don't be homeless oh god they were really funny that

00:37:25.540 makes a difference what was that actually a selling point to you like i want to fuck him

00:37:30.020 more because he's he's homeless no we were just like equally because there's some homeless people

00:37:35.140 in town i could probably get you like linked up with if that's your type no it's because i was

00:37:39.540 like outside like streaming downtown and they were like outside their comedy club and they stopped me

00:37:43.940 and they were like they literally were like when are we going to stream our first date so i was like

00:37:47.540 okay and we literally did like from first to last basically so they were one what did you grid

00:37:53.220 one who what who did you send me wow okay that's crazy well uh congrats i guess

00:37:58.260 whoa free i'm a free woman is that i guess that's a congrats like yeah the relationships over it is

00:38:03.540 yeah they're both or is it like sad are you sad that it's over i really with them that's another

00:38:09.300 thing they're both they thems i've been like misgendering them both the entire time but just

00:38:12.180 for the sake of clarification because i didn't want to be like them oh grid one you you misgendered

00:38:18.020 he was not it was because no i don't even tell you don't you know sometimes it's a they grid one

00:38:23.220 it's like your dad though i'm not going to tell great today i freaking just barely told what are your

00:38:27.940 pronouns she her she her yeah this was like the gayest thing i'd like ever been a part of like

00:38:34.340 literally not like in a bad way just because it's were they trans they're both like non-binary

00:38:42.180 wait so california okay but was one of one was a male one was a male and one was a female right

00:38:50.420 they didn't identify that way so yeah yeah i get it gender non-binary i'm talking about sex male and

00:38:55.780 female born i i think so born yeah okay did one have a natural penis and the other a natural vagina

00:39:04.180 i assume i didn't scope the vagina though i thought you were in a polycule yeah no but that's what i'm

00:39:09.060 saying it's like we it wasn't even a polycule i'm like these people identify as poly when it was really

00:39:13.140 just fucking you didn't scope the okay no i didn't i didn't want to be my friend so it's okay uh

00:39:21.220 uh okay um thank you grid one for that revelation appreciate it man thank you thank you uh going back

00:39:29.300 to you uh you're telling us about the two kids or four kids sorry four kids four dads uh vermilion has

00:39:37.540 a question why no birth control after the second kid um okay so i was actually i'm gonna explain this

00:39:43.780 again i was supposed to have my tubes tied i chickened out didn't get them tied i went to go get

00:39:48.340 him tied and found out i was pregnant so i was like okay cool i had my son and then went to my

00:39:55.220 doctor his license had gotten pulled so i had to find a new doctor and i went to go get my tubes tied

00:39:59.860 and i was pregnant what's the kind of doctor were you going to where his license got pulled are you

00:40:06.100 happy with your children i love my children yeah i didn't get my tubes tied until a year after i had

00:40:10.820 my daughter and i still didn't get pregnant i just wait i just hear me out i condoms yeah you just

00:40:15.780 know like my tubes are tied now so i'm done but a whole year awesome that's crazy nice anybody else

00:40:24.420 have their tubes tied just at the table two tubes died double tube side they won't consider you until

00:40:29.620 you're like 25. that's how mine are all right over over yes i had a boy and a girl so i had the perfect

00:40:35.620 bear all right what about you the longest relationship i've been in was nine years my son's

00:40:42.420 father my son is four he is autistic he is the best little boy ever um i've been single for about

00:40:52.100 eight months uh just concentrating on my son and working santa barbara is expensive so yeah

00:40:59.620 yeah and are you currently single or seeing somebody i'm single um how long you've been

00:41:05.540 single for about eight months eight months yeah i just got out of a nine-year relationship oh that's

00:41:11.140 that's the one you're with your the father of yourself were you guys married no and then i was

00:41:16.340 actually in a nine-year relationship before that with somebody else so yeah i've been with two people

00:41:21.380 since i was 17. okay gotcha i'm 34. and then uh the most recent nine-year relationship who broke up

00:41:30.660 with who um i broke up with him actually okay and the other nine-year relationship who broke up with

00:41:36.020 who i broke up with him too okay yeah but the most recent one that's the one the father of your kid

00:41:41.860 yes okay i had my son when i was 30 i'm 34. okay does uh he pay you child support what's the custody

00:41:47.620 arrangement he doesn't pay me child support and he is nowhere to be found so is he also homeless in a

00:41:53.860 hearse no oh um he might be homeless but i have no idea where he is he's in town somewhere oh yeah you

00:42:01.620 you don't have his number or he doesn't pick up nope he doesn't have a phone um are you working with he's

00:42:09.540 he's from la so he's um yeah it's just different down there he's he was a foster kid so oh yeah

00:42:19.540 right okay um have you like i'm not saying it's a bad thing with the child support just grow up

00:42:25.300 different like have you gone through the the state to help with that or no yeah he is they can't find

00:42:32.260 him okay uh-huh okay got it was what was he doing for work i guess when you guys were dating

00:42:39.300 or he was uh cleaning pools in montecito he had a good job yeah was it a surprise to like

00:42:48.740 was it a intended pregnancy um it was a surprise actually the pandemic happened i was on the birth

00:42:55.940 control shot and obviously plant parenthood shut down so you have sex and don't have your birth

00:43:03.300 control shots not working anymore equals baby so right yeah i never intended to become a mom but

00:43:11.860 um it it's it's amazing it really is okay all right there you go

00:43:17.780 all right what about you i'm currently single um i split up with my most recent boyfriend of a year

00:43:26.740 uh six months ago so and that was who broke up with who oh sorry go ahead i ended things with him

00:43:33.380 okay and sorry what were you gonna say um i don't know what i was gonna say okay uh longest relationship

00:43:41.060 uh about three years who broke up with who uh that was i couldn't even tell you we were so toxic we

00:43:47.220 were always breaking up with each other so yeah what were you doing that was toxic

00:43:50.100 i'm just drinking and partying and fighting and both of you both of us yeah okay drugs i didn't do

00:43:59.700 drugs he didn't okay all right i noticed you have a tattoo is that bob marley it is bob can you show

00:44:06.020 it like turn we got bob okay all right what's your favorite bob marley song

00:44:12.100 uh stir it up okay would be my favorite stir it up yes okay all right you've been single for six

00:44:20.580 months any guys in the picture currently no nothing nothing have you had a rebound no no guys six

00:44:28.100 months i went on i i did go on a couple of dates um with the same person um but nothing came of it

00:44:35.300 okay uh any guys in the picture for you um there's a couple who have asked but i'm just not interested

00:44:42.660 right now you're you're not feeling it no you're it's i'm enjoying being single actually i'm yeah i'm

00:44:49.460 enjoying being single okay there you go going to you uh relationship status i'm single and my longest

00:44:56.660 relationship was 13 years all right you guys uh were married right or okay and you have one kid two

00:45:03.620 kids two two from same guy no oh okay two kids uh two separate fathers is that correct yes okay

00:45:11.220 let's do a quick timeline how how old were you when you had your first kid i was 22 um and that was

00:45:17.300 part of a five-year relationship okay and then how old were you when you had your second kid 33 okay so

00:45:23.540 they're about 10 years apart um so your oldest is like 20 22 22 okay adult uh daughter

00:45:33.460 son my oldest is uh a son okay and then uh my daughter is my youngest no okay all right and

00:45:42.420 sorry your your youngest is i don't think he'd agree with uh what we talk about yeah uh you said your

00:45:48.420 other kid son daughter uh my daughter is 11 gotcha okay and uh how long have you been single

00:45:56.260 a month one month and how long was that relationship that ended a year who broke up with who

00:46:00.980 uh i ended it okay and then the 13 year relationship the marriage who did you initiate

00:46:06.180 the divorce uh yes okay any reason what was the reason cited in the divorce uh well we actually

00:46:14.100 haven't done the paperwork to be fair oh you're separated um yeah okay um but uh is he a secured

00:46:19.860 party no no no no okay would you date a sovereign citizen would i date a sovereign citizen yeah like

00:46:27.220 would you date a sovereign citizen not most of the ones that are out there no oh well i mean i i don't

00:46:34.580 know like the scottish my head isn't even that far okay uh just checking because i feel like there

00:46:40.580 might be some in the chat who might be like she's the one um so okay uh single for one month 13 year

00:46:48.100 uh does your uh does your ex wait hold on okay so you have one adult kid uh were you being paid child

00:46:58.180 support for the first job the first one yes second child are you being paid child support no okay uh

00:47:05.140 any reason why just not looking to um we share our daughter 50 of the time it's shared and uh i

00:47:11.860 wouldn't i wouldn't ask for that okay gotcha uh were you paid alimony during the course of after your

00:47:17.380 marriage no no oh well it's you're not technically fully divorced yet right but even if i had been i

00:47:23.140 wouldn't have asked for that gotcha thank you uh oh and this thing for the gift of 10 all right what

00:47:28.660 about you um i'm single right now i've been single for about six months um and longest relationship is

00:47:37.060 four years two relationships that were four years okay the most and the six month relate or then the

00:47:42.580 relationship that ended six months ago that was a four-year relationship correct one of them

00:47:47.140 right who broke up with who um it was kind of mutual but i guess you could say i broke up with

00:47:52.180 them and then the other four-year relationship who broke up with who i broke up with them okay all

00:47:58.740 right do you ever disclose your situation or just it's do you want to relate to us or just we're

00:48:04.660 disclosing uh i don't disclose my relationship status on stream but uh i am i'm a virgin and i don't

00:48:11.780 believe that yeah i have never enjoyed the company of a woman ever is that the lore is that true uh

00:48:19.860 yes okay but no but sort of but no hey you know look i got a i got i got death threats i got haters

00:48:27.860 i just keep certain things private but um i appreciate the curiosity okay so let's get into uh

00:48:33.940 some of the pre-show notes here we got quite a lot to talk about today uh i think where do i want to

00:48:40.580 any kids you got kids no no kids all right a dog she's got a dog all right so okay why don't we just

00:48:48.900 jump right in um let's see where do i want to start whose notes first whose notes first uh why don't i just

00:48:58.900 say this then while i'm looking anybody have any disagreements with me and then we'll start there

00:49:09.220 i don't have any disagreements with you but really wish andrew was on the chat okay what do you

00:49:15.460 what do you uh disagree with andrew on and maybe i can think it's crazy the fact that he attacked me

00:49:20.660 last time when his wife technically has three baby daddies oh i does she does she but she's married

00:49:28.180 i think it's only two i thought wait just she has two baby daddies and then i think a kid with andrew

00:49:36.340 i thought she just had heard her i thought she just had children from one other person and she's

00:49:41.220 married to andrew i it's two previous marriages but one left and the other one like died or something

00:49:47.940 i think that's a running joke that i just picked up on recently right he also has a black wife yes

00:49:52.740 i just think it's crazy the judgment's crazy rachel's black

00:49:57.940 very progressive very yeah anyways uh so what's the i just into the mic the the conversation about

00:50:07.460 like being a simp and who would want me and x y and z but i don't know what so what's the what's

00:50:13.860 the argument i just don't think he has a right to look down on me when he's technically in the same

00:50:19.300 situation is he though is he minus like the dancing and all of that wait hold on well so i look i don't

00:50:27.380 commit to memory discussions from previous shows but so you're saying he had issues with your

00:50:33.140 involvement in sex work he's not a sex worker well i'm no the whole having multiple baby daddies

00:50:37.940 is he wants to look down on me and but yet his wife also has multiple baby daddies she's not a

00:50:44.340 s worker though that's not what i'm talking about i'm talking about just yeah but his criticisms were

00:50:48.980 varied some of them were directed at how many baby daddies i have okay but so i could be wrong i i thought

00:50:56.500 rachel just had she had previous kids from a previous marriage from from what i maybe anybody in the

00:51:03.860 chat is it i'm pretty sure it's two and sorry two total so andrew and then a previous marriage i'm

00:51:11.700 just saying it's right chat is it two i don't know in any case that's different than four i understand

00:51:18.020 that but as a christian aren't you not supposed to judge people especially when you your wife is

00:51:24.100 doing the same well she's shaking her head so do you not have any issues with having four baby daddies

00:51:29.540 i'm not i did it i'm not happy about it but i have my kids and i can't undo it i wish i was more safe

00:51:37.060 i wish i had better judgment but i don't look down on people because like it is easy to fall into it is

00:51:44.740 easy for it to happen so like i don't like that i have four baby daddies but it is what it is and i

00:51:51.940 don't look down on other people for their situations well what okay so what specifically did andrew say

00:51:57.140 i don't remember he was talking about so he was just vaguely judging you yeah and i just unless

00:52:02.900 you tell me what specifically andrew said i have to re-watch it but he he got me about it okay but

00:52:09.700 you would agree that his situation is far different than your situation yeah but as a christian are you

00:52:14.980 you're not supposed to be judgmental like that so you brought up god doesn't judge that's my thing

00:52:20.260 i think christians can righteously judge that's my understanding of christianity i haven't seen very much of him

00:52:25.700 but what do you define as looking down on because like let's say i have a disagreement

00:52:31.220 with something that somebody does does that mean that i'm looking down on them for some of the stuff

00:52:35.860 that he said it's just it was very judgmental it wasn't what did he say i don't know brain i have to

00:52:42.980 go re-watch well i can't i mean look if you can't provide and it doesn't need to be like a verbatim

00:52:48.900 quote but just a general sense of what he said then i can't really address it i'm looking down

00:52:56.340 on the fact that i have four baby daddies which i get but as a christian you're this righteous

00:53:01.460 christian and your wife she's not traditional she wasn't traditional she has another orthodox

00:53:07.780 christian they're both super tradition they're both super traditional she's not traditional to

00:53:12.660 have another kid outside of that marriage why was she not a virgin i don't think it's against

00:53:17.460 christianity to be a stepfather that's okay that's not what i'm saying yeah but your but your criticisms

00:53:25.140 i i don't see the i don't see the issue actually i think she's just saying christianity is about

00:53:30.420 forgiveness somehow right in a way you're not there's parts of other people yeah i i think that's a common

00:53:36.100 misnomer though whether it's christianity um or uh just scripture in general um it's a it's a

00:53:42.660 misnomer that we're not supposed to judge when in fact we are and that's how we you know hold each

00:53:47.060 other accountable it doesn't have to be in a negative way right um but this is how we make

00:53:51.540 our decisions as we move about in life um is by judgment right i do understand what you're saying

00:53:56.900 though in terms of coming down on you and but so so who would be allowed to judge you then like

00:54:01.620 somebody who's been chased their entire life and is a virgin i'm not saying that everyone's

00:54:07.060 going to judge me regardless but it's you want to sit there and speak on faith and x y and z but then

00:54:13.220 you criticize and put me down as another person i don't think it's i don't think it's the right way

00:54:19.780 to go about it like you said like yeah of course everybody judges but there's a certain way to go

00:54:24.340 about it then yeah what did he say though i don't remember brian i just said well you can't just be

00:54:30.660 like okay i have a disagreement and uh andrew hurt my feces but i don't even i can't even articulate

00:54:37.620 an approximation of what he said i think i already said what i needed to say okay fine he was vaguely

00:54:43.460 judging you he was vaguely judging you about your four baby daddies four kids i thought he was coming

00:54:53.460 again i don't remember anything from previous shows but if i i think it was about he was coming down

00:55:00.100 mostly hard on you when it related to the sex work yeah that yeah but yeah but he's not a sex

00:55:04.900 worker so why would that i didn't say that was my issue with him i said my issue was the four baby

00:55:09.780 daddies yeah of course he's not a sex worker if he wants to judge me on that cool because yeah so

00:55:13.780 let's let's assume he he wasn't a stepfather would you be okay with his criticism then i think so

00:55:20.340 okay so just because it's not the stepfather thing i think it's you're okay with one person person

00:55:24.580 doing it because you're in love with her xyz but when you see another person doing it you're

00:55:27.860 looking down upon that person i don't think that's fair well i think it's different when you're

00:55:31.540 married when you're married and then something happens in that relationship or that person dies

00:55:35.700 you get to find somebody else and get remarried i understand that but don't you think it like okay

00:55:41.860 let's say yes rachel had previous kids with one other uh partner who at the time happened to be her

00:55:48.180 husband they're divorced there is a a difference of between that four kids four fathers all out of

00:55:58.820 wedlock see from what i thought it was from what i heard i listened to her on something and i

00:56:04.500 misunderstood then because i thought it was two and then one with andrew so that was my my bad on

00:56:09.940 misunderstanding oh well i mean there's a lot of disinformation related to rachel related to andrew

00:56:16.340 um i would have to me personally i don't actually know the exact intel on it but i what i can tell

00:56:21.860 you is there's a bunch of misinformation there's people out there who are trying to slander andrew

00:56:27.220 slander slander uh rachel she was talking on something and they say andrew has a black wife

00:56:33.220 who's andrew not that there's by the way slander that's crazy hold on not that there's anything

00:56:38.820 wrong he said he was slander him i think he has a black wife stop stop not that there's anything wrong with

00:56:43.860 having a black wife but there's all kinds of like disinformation they i've heard something the other

00:56:50.580 day that accused rachel falsely of that she was an ex one of these people one of these uh people on

00:56:57.860 twitter was saying she was like an ex adult content creator furthest thing from the truth she's not been

00:57:02.660 involved in any sort of s work so there's a lot of misinformation related to andrew rachel their

00:57:08.500 relationship um i don't know the specific details he's not here but that's what i can tell you okay

00:57:14.340 okay anything else okay uh any other disagreements from anybody on anything i have it in my pre-show

00:57:22.580 notes but i wanted to prompt you guys no gun once gun times three times nope okay uh here why don't we

00:57:31.300 start with we're going to go to um our secured party creditor julie julie uh you said you think

00:57:41.140 with five eyes it potentially is narrowing the pool of women who men will date i think you're talking

00:57:45.780 about the show at least men who enjoy the show aren't we looking at a huge number of people not

00:57:50.020 dating having sex now studies are showing and predicting terrible outcomes my concern pertains to

00:57:55.940 continuing humanity so do you want to clarify on that yeah so i i actually agree with pretty much

00:58:02.260 everything that gets discussed on the show and that actually brought up a question for me so i i don't

00:58:06.740 know if you have uh like when you started the show if you have an agenda um in terms of what you like

00:58:13.780 what audience you hope to reach or what things you hope to change but my perspective from having watched

00:58:18.660 many many shows was uh or for a while was that um it was kind of

00:58:23.460 getting women to see the nature of their ways and how it's not ideal for for them um and i think

00:58:31.620 it's moving people towards a good ideal um but then after listening to one of your former guests on

00:58:38.740 the debate i was listening to another podcast um the other day and it was talking about um

00:58:44.980 you know like that we're seeing it's such a decrease in the number of people dating um obviously

00:58:49.140 a decrease in the number of children being born and so on and so forth people aren't are

00:58:53.140 not even having sex anymore things like that so i one of the things that that guest had pointed out

00:58:58.340 was that it's getting men to hate women and i i kind of see where he could be correct um in some ways

00:59:05.940 and so i i just um i mean i i feel like i think it's it's fine for to kind of shape women to be a

00:59:15.220 particular way and not everyone may agree with me on that um because i think it's what's best i think

00:59:20.740 order is best and it exists for a reason um but i do think it might be affecting um the the dating

00:59:28.420 situation uh people having sex people procreating the show maybe okay yeah i mean i would approach

00:59:35.620 this a couple different ways the first thing i would say is that uh while the podcast is successful

00:59:41.220 i wouldn't say that it's reaches particularly mainstream you know i think there's what a five

00:59:47.700 six thousand people watching at the moment uh i don't really think that that is a substantial sub

00:59:54.660 subset of the uh dating marketplace i mean it accounts for probably a very small amount of people

01:00:02.980 of course you would maybe argue well the clips like they have further reach and i would agree uh but i don't

01:00:09.300 think for example as compared to a podcast like color daddy which is consumed by a massive demographic

01:00:17.140 of women between the ages of like 18 or even younger than that actually and 30 34 uh primarily in the

01:00:25.940 united states the whatever audience has a much more global reach uh this i would say that color daddy has a

01:00:34.020 far more damaging effect in so far as it's a the host what's her name alex or whatever yeah alex cooper

01:00:41.860 i think she's like a massive proponent of promiscuity and does not have very good uh prescriptions for

01:00:49.140 like what how young women should date but so my my first counter would just be okay my podcast does not

01:00:56.900 have such a substantial substantial reach that it would like have some sort of impact on the birth rate but

01:01:03.620 to actually address your argument of okay well it's making men hateful i would just ask you what

01:01:09.380 specific topics or what specific things have i said that would be making men like hateful what's the

01:01:17.780 rhetoric that i'm espousing that well it's it's her thing so okay holy well i guess it's not a major

01:01:24.020 issue that i have but what i i've probably watched over 40 or listened to 40 episodes so when i'm listening

01:01:30.260 i'll just jot down notes so it's not like a major gripe or anything it's just a comment uh you know

01:01:34.900 especially knowing that i might come on the show um so yeah i definitely have acknowledged that the

01:01:39.780 audience is not so large that you know there's obviously other issues at hand um and uh you know

01:01:45.300 i was hearing more information elsewhere you know that we're looking at you know obviously social media

01:01:49.860 coronography um covid you know all of these things have contributed to the decrease in these areas

01:01:56.340 um right so it was more so just just a side note it's not right that it was also a side note for

01:02:01.540 me to just point out that i don't think my audience is uh hold on hold on hold on hold on

01:02:06.980 is exceptionally large yes there's robust youtube analytics but to my question what specific things

01:02:14.260 have i espoused that would that you would point to as it relates to men starting to hate women like

01:02:22.260 what am i advocating for on the podcast that would make men hate women actually probably nothing that

01:02:28.020 you've said i think more so when we when uh like when andrew's here and i love andrew um and i like i

01:02:33.780 said i agree with i'll defend andrew i agree what has andrew hold on what has andrew said that will lead

01:02:40.020 men to hate women um i don't like being put on the spot um i guess just looking at um removing

01:02:52.020 i don't know maybe maybe hate is not the right word did i say hate in my

01:02:56.500 and what i uh well not it doesn't look like in your pre-show notes but just right now in person you

01:03:02.500 did mention that my viewership some of them might start hating women um so i guess

01:03:09.940 just in terms sorry in terms of looking at the dating pool right so if if women have x you know

01:03:15.780 body count which i'm totally in agreement with preferring a small body count um but i think it's

01:03:21.060 just excluding women in general and i think a lot of times because i think it myself too um with the

01:03:27.620 conversation sometimes i'm sitting here going she's a freaking idiot and i i'm thinking these things so

01:03:33.780 i'm thinking there might be a lot of men thinking the same thing as well so i i don't know

01:03:37.620 maybe maybe i misspoke but so if if a woman comes on the podcast and says something uh

01:03:45.380 problematic or stupid or whatever i don't think that that would be evidence of something that i'm

01:03:52.100 doing like if a girl comes on here and says that she's i don't know um a murderer or something i don't

01:04:00.900 know i think it'd be fair justification for people to probably hate her but so i'm i guess what am what am i

01:04:07.220 doing what am i espousing hold on she gets to go first but then you can weigh in okay what am i

01:04:14.020 espousing that would lead men to hate women i'm just you're again i'm not looking you're not looking

01:04:19.940 i'm not trying to do a gotcha where i need like a specific verbatim quote i'm just looking for a

01:04:26.500 you know a sense of what you think i'm saying or doing that would lead men to hate women no and to be

01:04:33.060 fair i don't think there is anything that you're doing so i perhaps that was not the best comment

01:04:39.620 you wanted to weigh in uh i don't know i just wanted to point i don't know too much about andrew i don't

01:04:46.980 know i think it's the is it the prager you person is it oh well okay i don't know who that is but um

01:04:55.300 just the nature of the presentation of those two sex dolls back there would in lead some men to

01:05:01.860 have a certain reaction to this but that seems a little infantilizing to be like to let women speak

01:05:07.140 to like okay like someone makes an ass out of themselves then it's oh god like you you collectively

01:05:12.820 give them a place to speak and they said stupid things it's like that's a little infantilizing so

01:05:17.140 i'm happy to explore that but it seemed like when i was saying what do i do or what do i say

01:05:22.660 in terms of you know what what do i espouse that would lead men to hate women i just want to be

01:05:28.980 clear well you hold on hold on hold on okay the first thing you cited to yeah was the presence of

01:05:36.420 mannequins the inherent presentation of this yeah on the screen on the screen yeah the way you're

01:05:42.900 displaying the women the way i'm sex dolls behind well can you can you wait the the way i'm displaying

01:05:48.740 the mannequins they're not mannequins sure okay fine yeah they're they're sex dolls but hold on

01:05:55.620 but so what is the way in which i'm displaying them aside from their presence that you find

01:06:00.980 objectionable no i'm just saying if you look at some what a symbol is that's a symbol back there

01:06:07.780 right whatever hold on what do you mean by that

01:06:10.260 what's a symbol bring on women to the show that is true and behind them you put two sex dolls

01:06:18.740 it's okay if it's not self-evident then i won't explain it no no attempt to explain it because it

01:06:24.340 isn't self-evident so you'll have to explain it well one has her tongue out yeah that's called the hago

01:06:30.340 yeah okay well there's symbol there's certain you know people read images right people look at an image

01:06:37.700 and something comes to their mind i agree with that so if you look at this image you see women

01:06:43.940 sitting in a circle with you yeah that's yep i'm on and then directly behind what it's okay yeah but

01:06:51.380 so so i i agree with your with your observation okay your observation is correct that there are the

01:06:58.980 dolls in the studio and there are women in the studio what's the inference

01:07:03.540 it's an image that infers that women you know are

01:07:09.860 disposable sort of and for sex disposable and for sex so how do you arrive at that conclusion

01:07:17.380 i don't know it's not that difficult i mean i could do so you're just creating a you're

01:07:21.620 creating well it's not that difficult explain it to read an image everyone reads images

01:07:25.860 straighten up with the mic sorry yeah so to read an image okay so it's an objective truth that because

01:07:31.860 i have the those dolls in the studio that that is misogyny or what okay if you watch a movie

01:07:39.860 right and yeah quentin's here you watch kill bill right okay you're reading those images from kill

01:07:46.020 bill different ways and that's what the director does is he puts things in the frame of the film

01:07:54.260 okay right to make you infer certain things in the frame right well okay so i agree with you that

01:08:01.060 they're in they're there yeah how do you arrive at the conclusion that it's some sort of like

01:08:08.900 misogyny i don't know what what is the purpose of them is it just like a joke the claim you made the

01:08:14.900 claim i don't need to explain why they're there well what's the intention of them okay well but you've

01:08:20.340 already come to the conclusion so i'm trying to figure out how you establish that i'm not going

01:08:26.100 to make the argument for you you're going to have to provide what it is it's that but you've just said

01:08:32.260 okay well there's palm trees you're equating women with sex dolls how there's an equation to that

01:08:38.180 conclusion well why are they there why okay why would that i i don't i'm failing to see how that how that

01:08:46.100 equates like no i just want to know what your intention is putting them there no but you what

01:08:51.220 it's not that you want to know you've already can't come to determination well i that was my

01:08:55.860 interpretation of what they represent that's mine right but i want to know what your intention was

01:09:02.100 so that i know that maybe i have the wrong interpretation so i'm happy to dive into it but

01:09:06.500 i just want to be clear okay so the when i ask yeah what is something that i espouse or something

01:09:11.620 that i do that would make men hate women and the first thing the first you know typically oftentimes

01:09:17.220 when people are going to provide uh some evidence for a claim it's going to be the strongest evidence

01:09:22.980 first so just to be clear the first evidence you're going to provide i'm giving you my interpretation

01:09:27.540 is that there happens to be sex dolls in the studio yes that's my interpretation what they mean let

01:09:32.900 me ask you a question would it be offensive if the if they were males and would this be like hatred

01:09:38.340 would i be espousing hatred towards men if those sex dolls happen to be men well they're not though

01:09:43.620 are they but but would it would that be an entailment of your logic if you had male sex dolls there

01:09:49.220 what about them being there is going to wait let me get an answer hate a woman no just like when you

01:09:56.180 look at a picture right you get an immediate feeling an emotion we're talking about feelings what

01:10:03.220 about looking at this is going to respond to things a certain way immediately are you a woman like

01:10:09.140 yeah i'm i yeah sure she's a feminist film it doesn't matter yes i'm yeah um but so if they were

01:10:19.460 male sex dolls would that be evidence of my they would be comedic if they were male you'd be doing

01:10:24.100 it as a joke but it's oppressive because they're female if it's maybe it's a joke how do you know their

01:10:29.620 their gender what if their gender is non-binary okay they're non-binary sex dolls are they even

01:10:33.700 in frames they're not they don't have a gender they're plastic so it's funny to me sex didn't

01:10:38.900 even come up i saw all the other yeah but it's about rhetoric wait but i also behind me i have like

01:10:43.700 spartan like male spartan well that's those are symbols of strength it's about like the the

01:10:49.620 message coming out of it right so like what's the rhetoric that's the problem is right so like

01:10:53.860 proud roman heritage strength understanding why it's so if conquering armies i don't understand

01:11:00.820 why it's so offensive with it being women but it's not offensive i'm not offended i'm just pointing

01:11:04.820 out the way people read a certain like they look at this and they find it'd be funny if it was guys

01:11:09.300 that makes no sense no but they're not guys though are they if they were guys then it would be funny

01:11:13.540 and it's funny because they're women i don't understand your perspective on why he never answered

01:11:18.820 why he put them there i was asking i'll give you a couple i'll give you a couple answers so the

01:11:25.460 first answer is i had a couple different companies there's two separate companies who reached out to

01:11:29.380 me okay offered to provide them for free the second thing hold on the second thing was uh this was very

01:11:34.500 early when we started back in july of 2022 i was yeah guys be quiet please uh this was in july of uh

01:11:42.180 when i first started the podcast july 2022 i was like you know what if we ever have no shows or anything

01:11:47.620 and i want to make it look like we have a full table well okay and you can look at some older

01:11:52.980 episodes yeah where we did have flakes and we will bring up one of the dolls yeah so it as like kind

01:12:00.740 of a jokey thing it's like oh we have a full table okay so that's one of the reasons so i misinterpreted

01:12:05.220 it that's one of the reasons and and then i also used to do a gambit or bit where one of them was

01:12:10.660 actually my co-host so really i think this is actually elevating women because i granted a like a

01:12:18.020 a a fee i granted like a an inanimate object my co-host status and i did that to a female

01:12:27.060 sex doll not a male sex doll so actually i think that points to my sexism towards men not towards

01:12:31.780 women and also the fact that they're both women i think that would point towards this sort of uh

01:12:36.900 the fact that they're not men shows like a lack of inclusivity towards male sex dolls put a male sex

01:12:42.580 doll there no but i'm actually are there male sex no i think my audience is going to completely

01:12:48.660 turn against me because it actually shows a lack of inclusivity towards male sex dolls pointing

01:12:54.100 towards my sexism the fact that there's no male sex dolls actually is just really i'm a sexist

01:12:59.140 towards men so you can change your ways and put a male sex but i could just do the this narrative

01:13:04.420 spin framing of the reason they're there is because like i think women are so wonderful

01:13:09.220 that i only have female sex dolls like we can just do narrative okay sure and then he f them

01:13:16.340 i'll take your i'll take your version of it chastity is intact okay i'll take i'll take your version of it

01:13:23.060 but like i don't understand so um that was just my interpretation wait what about the like

01:13:29.140 difference we should dive into like the discrepancy between male and female like that doesn't make any

01:13:33.540 sense to me like why what what is the articulation that would make the delineation wait i hold on

01:13:40.820 just the plastic sex dolls and then i am so sorry guys my stream labs got bugged so these came in a

01:13:48.420 while ago grid one i'm so sorry i did not see these we'll get if you have if you want to wrap up on it we

01:13:54.900 can i'm gonna let these chats come through grid one i'm super sorry that i just missed these i was

01:13:59.300 so caught up um defending my female sex dolls i apologize but i'm gonna attacking your inanimate

01:14:10.740 grid one motorsports donated two hundred dollars okay so maybe i was wrong rachel had two long-term

01:14:16.820 relationships that did result in children without marriage andrew married her and had children he and

01:14:23.540 rachel came to christ and the church and the is the difference

01:14:30.900 okay all right grid one thank you so much man cheers to you i apologize for the delay on these um

01:14:38.900 thank you though thank you thank you grid one motorsports donated two hundred dollars and one

01:14:44.260 cent the piece you are is are missing is you have no remorse and have not changed you are still a sex

01:14:50.660 worker you have not come to christ and need to evaluate your lifestyle choices be better

01:14:59.140 i'm actually no longer a sex worker oh so w

01:15:08.660 nice um a couple more chats coming through chef dill pickles also i apologize for the delay on this

01:15:14.500 chef dill pickles donated two hundred dollars chair two is out of breath just talking about how

01:15:20.340 she failed a raw shift test that she made up in her mind

01:15:25.860 do you want to respond to that was that directly chair two you're chair two yeah oh i'm chair two

01:15:29.940 yeah chair one i'm eugenia hi uh i well that's what anyone who makes films you know they

01:15:38.180 intentionally put things in the frame and that's what i was interpreting yeah but i'm not exactly

01:15:42.820 like scorsese over here you are making something right no well then you're just putting it there

01:15:49.780 without thinking about i've been looking for the dog whistles yeah it's i mean hold on just to be

01:15:55.620 clear wait can can you reach behind you and lift up that picture of a shirtless man oh you know it's

01:16:01.460 weird i didn't hear you i missed it hold on i did not hear you you know this is i'm objectifying this

01:16:07.380 man here uh i'm surprised there wasn't any commentary about the fact that i have a picture of a

01:16:12.100 shirtless man he's not visible in frame is he visible sometimes he is sometimes yeah they're not

01:16:17.860 really visible but okay you know i i think it's interesting you know you focus on the sex dolls

01:16:21.860 who are fully clothed fully clothed by the way here i have a picture of a of a shirtless man i also have

01:16:28.340 a a black man also in the studio that's great patrice is great a lot of objectification going on

01:16:35.380 you know i i get it there wasn't as much i put more intention there than there was it's

01:16:40.820 fine yeah okay anything else or no okay uh let's see here oh some more chats guys

01:16:48.180 grid one i appreciate your patience man sorry again about that dave richards child support is such a

01:16:53.380 scam you should have jeff younger on and he explains i'll read rachel's in a sec explains

01:16:58.260 how these females weaponize the courts to bring bankrupt men it's disgusting especially if the

01:17:03.460 father father is a willing father yeah it's a scam pop out a child get 500 a month you know what guys

01:17:10.100 you know what i want to do um i i i'm you know what i need to start a men's rights organization

01:17:20.740 and if anybody wants to volunteer and then like legitimate organization non-profit how many

01:17:28.260 non-profits big labia non-profit i know it's a lot what i need what i need is any attorneys who are

01:17:36.340 willing to do pro bono stuff and we'll do men's rights litigation rework so we'll i we'll do child

01:17:45.060 support reform we're gonna do uh try to ban circumcision and we're gonna try uh what's the

01:17:53.860 other one like child custody reform alimony reform there's another one i wanted to do oh um there's

01:18:02.980 actually something that we could pursue currently with some of these are are we dating actually i don't

01:18:08.340 want to show my cards yet on that um if there's any attorneys who want to do a little pro bono work

01:18:14.900 i have some ideas so get in touch okay we have uh thank you for that message though dave richard as

01:18:20.580 well but men can see the obvious misandry on tiktok feminists think you are man-hating is only seen

01:18:27.300 by the women delusional you are the reason men reject you sex workers and feminists equal red flag from

01:18:32.980 yeah no response okay was that a question what was the question typically you like bounce off

01:18:41.460 over a million says false accusations also like oh title nine stuff like in universities where these

01:18:47.540 guys just get railroaded by kangaroo courts and the universities yeah uh we have let's see

01:18:55.060 oh we have something from rachel i'll just pull that up i was married before never promiscuous never

01:18:59.220 cheated i have a brain in my head and i'm a good wife and mother not a hypocrite totally different

01:19:03.780 do you want to respond to rachel since she's in the chat that's great for you rachel but i don't

01:19:08.260 know i would say where's your husband your smoke is mostly with andrews that's no it was she's right

01:19:13.300 here say what you got so much for rachel it was crazy that rachel wanted to chime in and try to give

01:19:18.260 me a diagnosis um and say i was a liar about my daughter and everything that was wild but i don't know

01:19:25.860 you're a good wife and a mother you're not a good person she's a great person call in no

01:19:31.780 womp womp okay all right there you go cool good times anyways uh let's see if there's was there

01:19:37.860 anything else did you want to continue like finish off about what uh you were point you were like raising

01:19:43.700 your hand when i was asking not recently okay um can i ask are you since you're a feminist

01:19:50.980 i uh study it yeah sure why why are you so hesitant to just accept the i don't know to accept

01:19:59.860 what feminism yeah like aren't you studying feminist i am but i go back and forth on things

01:20:07.940 okay yeah uh okay that's why we lost the election are you a like are you a misandrist or no i just

01:20:16.420 have higher expectations of people in general oh men and women have i no i mean i just i i think

01:20:28.500 yes i'm a sure i'm a feminist and the fact that it's own that and the fact that with your chest

01:20:33.620 and the fact that women at this point don't want to be feminist means it's a dirty word so that's not

01:20:39.060 a great thing but you know i feel like feminists are so judgmental and they women are at fault and

01:20:47.220 i feel like feminists have a hard time yes we're responsible for everything not everything you're

01:20:52.180 both wrong it's ridiculous that you guys women are people in the wrong you guys have no ownership

01:20:59.060 you guys on anything i gotta spoil you guys wait on what what am i having ownership on

01:21:05.060 no like women refuse like feminists refuse to have ownership on anything it's always the

01:21:10.260 guy's fault it's always oh you're saying taking accountability there's no accountability well

01:21:14.020 that i disagree with i also don't think that women should not take responsibility for what they do

01:21:20.820 that's not part of what i think but you already showed it when those were i was just interpreting

01:21:25.460 the sex styles being behind us yeah but that wasn't okay but if they were guys it'd be fine like

01:21:29.540 that right there is no it wouldn't be fine either but they're not guys but that's what you said you

01:21:33.700 literally it would be as a joke because a male sex doll is a joke a female sex doll is a reality

01:21:40.740 but what's the difference males because men they're for other men generally it doesn't matter like

01:21:46.820 they're still doing it well men are the main clients it's funny to make fun of guys or to have

01:21:51.540 to objectify men but when it comes to women oh my god it's the end of the world well i would

01:21:55.940 think that's what feminism is and that's no one's objectifying men but if it was men it would be

01:22:02.100 what did you say but but if it was that's a hypothetical you know but it was humorous if

01:22:06.980 it was men right because yes the reason it would be funny is because when men are naked it's a joke

01:22:11.780 it's not because that's the way everything's organized well that's how society is because

01:22:16.180 women make it out it's so funny when men are objectified but god forbid it's women i would say

01:22:22.100 it's just because there's like a discrepancy like i feel like most people don't feel like there's a

01:22:26.260 gender discrepancy like by the way i agree with you on most of what you were saying i don't think you

01:22:31.220 should have been judged on anything you've done in your life so far everyone should give each other

01:22:35.780 grace on how they've lived their life and the fact that andrew or whoever i don't know who that was

01:22:41.620 was judging you on doing what you did what is it what am i supposed to call it sex work sex work

01:22:48.900 okay the fact that he judged you for it i think that's a chauvinist position so i agree with you

01:22:54.820 there i'm not against you no and i appreciate it i just i'm not against you either but i am against your

01:22:59.620 i'm just pointing out i'm just pointing out that you can be critical of things sometimes it's okay

01:23:06.260 you know not everything is right not everything is great right life isn't perfect so you can

01:23:11.140 criticize some aspects of life so so if you're a feminist right yeah what um what are you fighting

01:23:16.900 for well i'm not really i'm just pointing things out that irk me sometimes okay so just being

01:23:24.740 irked like i'm not i mean what am i fighting for we should define feminism i just don't like when

01:23:30.340 women are disrespected by men and that's all that's not a big disrespect men all the time

01:23:35.700 i think women are i don't like when people disrespect people we're sure a woman is more likely to get

01:23:40.660 away with hitting a man everyone everyone does everything i'm not saying women are perfect angels

01:23:46.020 and men are bad i'm saying that there's a sorry i would consider that one of the pitfalls of feminism

01:23:53.460 is that it's like if it deviates you from the left because it's not equal opportunity you're like

01:23:58.500 literally treating people differently based on their sex right i'm just all i was trying to point out with

01:24:03.220 him was that he's trying to present women in a certain way that's not nice that's all i just think

01:24:10.980 women present themselves the way they want to be presented whether in public or indoors that's fine

01:24:16.420 but he was doing it we're not doing it he was doing it but is the chick to be like kind of

01:24:20.180 inflammatory engaging these conversations like bring in differing viewpoints you know so i'm like

01:24:25.140 as long as you're like prepared for i thought it was a hee-hee-haha i just think feelings and

01:24:29.460 interpretations aren't good enough like you need something in reality this is the issue i think in

01:24:34.820 this country more or less men and women have equality i don't think there's anything but in other

01:24:39.940 places you can certainly fight for things but here mostly it's fine i'm not really saying there's

01:24:44.900 issues major issues legally or yeah in any other way in this country but this is just one country

01:24:52.180 there's other places i guess i'd be curious like what theme like what do you think that this podcast

01:24:57.780 does to show women in a bad light like do you think just because he brings like different people that

01:25:02.980 women he's trying to show women that we're not as intelligent as men but how does he do that i understand

01:25:08.420 how he like what by equate by equating us with plastic okay so we're back to the sex cells is

01:25:14.420 there any other yeah you go sorry no actually something that i i'm i'm realizing that i kind

01:25:19.140 of posed to the show it's actually not the show right it's women themselves who are giving themselves

01:25:27.460 a bad name right that that's what i see more often well women can blame themselves we're good at

01:25:32.660 blaming ourselves i'm saying about our behavior when we talk about you know or just some of our

01:25:38.180 thought processes are just out the window and kind of delusional right so i don't think it's actually

01:25:43.140 the show it's when it's us you know as our excuse me ourselves who are making it seem that way

01:25:51.380 what makes i don't know why are we i have a question he's wearing uh sneakers right why are we not wearing

01:25:57.380 our shoes it's his place sexism sexism is alive no i don't know i wanted to keep my shoes on it's

01:26:03.540 a place all right sure it's a respect fine fine it's kind of common for people to ask you to take

01:26:09.140 off your shoes no i understand in someone's house but this is what is this is a studio right that's

01:26:13.940 on his computers for sexist yeah it's a studio but no i know it's fine i it's hard to watch the

01:26:21.060 carpets that's fine oh okay good well that's i thought that was that was my second yes that was

01:26:26.820 my second yes it's in the notes i listen he's one person live and let live right but he was pressing

01:26:34.260 you he was pressing each of us for our entire sexual and relationship history and he wouldn't

01:26:39.460 say what his was it's the point of the show it's the whole no i get it that's what i'm saying it's

01:26:43.220 the point of the show that's what i'm exactly that's what i'm saying sexual history yeah he was

01:26:48.420 asking how many kids do you have with how many kids i guess what else besides the sex dolls are

01:26:53.220 like the dog literally asked i offered that i was a mom yeah this is dating talk we're talking about

01:27:00.100 dating so why doesn't he participate he doesn't have to um i agree he doesn't have to but there's

01:27:06.260 a reason he doesn't i think we all come onto the show like knowing what to expect he is the host so

01:27:11.460 it's like he does want to hear from us versus like if he wanted a podcast where he just sits there

01:27:16.420 in talks he would do that he wouldn't but he's mostly taught like now we're talking but

01:27:20.660 he beforehand he was being telling people to be quiet he's talking it's fine he's the host

01:27:26.420 exactly he runs it the way he can run it and that's i'm not criticizing that i'm just

01:27:31.620 imagine if he answered his own i was just pointing out that if everyone's perfectly happy with

01:27:37.700 what how they're treated through their life then that's up to them i have my own point of view you

01:27:43.300 know what do you mean so do you think you have like a disqualification disqualification because

01:27:48.020 you're a woman like do you think you have a disadvantage because you're a woman no i don't

01:27:52.340 think i have a disadvantage i think when i talk i have less validity when he talks he has more validity

01:27:58.100 he's the yeah in his studio this is like a very specific example i don't know okay what outside of

01:28:03.140 this outside of this example right in another content in real life yes in real life when men speak they

01:28:08.980 have authority generally when women speak they have less of their question etc etc i think there's

01:28:15.700 women in government they're all i'm back why do you think yeah and they're judged on the basis of

01:28:21.300 the way they dress and how they you know behave i think we all joined your rights organizations and

01:28:26.740 if men would have sex with them or not men who are in politics aren't generally judged by them in the

01:28:32.420 police it sounds like a confidence issue because when i speak in public i i don't think that i don't

01:28:38.100 feel that way and i feel like we're gendering a lot of things for no reason personally i'd be

01:28:42.820 judging why men gender things as well it's a two-way street we should just yeah i feel like it's just a

01:28:47.860 people thing we're like picking yeah obviously shitty inconsistent people suck anywhere you're like

01:28:52.340 i feel like we're generalizing i'm not i'm not saying the ill of all of him of all the world is

01:28:57.460 men i'm just saying placing all of the blame on women as the root source of why you know late

01:29:03.780 capitalism is failing isn't necessarily correct i think being a feminist and the united states is

01:29:09.140 crazy i think there's a goal of saying that women are the cause the source of everything that's

01:29:17.220 wrong with current society and i disagree with that i didn't go to college can you explain too much

01:29:25.780 when brian you said that that we're responsible for the way the courts are ruling against men we're

01:29:31.940 responsible for this we're responsible for that sure if you want to do if you want to be blamed

01:29:38.900 if you want to be blamed for everything that's up to you women do have advantages when it comes to

01:29:43.380 courts and stuff because we have the children right this is much like guys guys one at a time

01:29:51.700 please go listen if you want to be if you want to be self-sacrificing that's your decision i'm not

01:29:56.900 saying you can't do that i just have a different i don't feel like i'm sacrificing anything either

01:30:00.980 i don't blame i think to be a feminist in the united states is absolutely crazy go to another

01:30:06.660 country and try to use your voice okay well i understand it but like here you have so many

01:30:12.180 advantages i'm not yeah hold on hold on okay you have every advantage a man has you go to school you

01:30:17.860 you can work the same jobs you can do everything a man can do and i can have an opinion right i

01:30:22.660 understand that but i don't go i don't go wear pussy hats i don't go to demonstrations i just have an

01:30:28.580 opinion right i'm a human being with an opinion i i don't do your opinion i explained what it is i

01:30:36.420 think women deserve more respect as we're half of the population and what about the men how do we get

01:30:41.780 to men are the ones who are doing much of the disrespect i feel i mean i'd like to counter that a

01:30:47.140 little bit so when it comes to and this is a dating podcast so i'll kind of try to relate a

01:30:51.140 little bit to that when it comes to slut shaming they actually did an analysis of uh sort of

01:30:55.780 derogatory words related to slut shaming and they looked at twitter for example and they found most

01:31:00.980 slut shaming was done by other women they looked at who owned the account yeah they can they know the

01:31:08.900 gender who owns the account i don't know the exact methodology of how they did it but there was

01:31:12.980 some sort of generally people have anonymous twitter accounts well hold on would you question it if

01:31:17.220 there was a finding with a study that said men are more likely to do x bad thing sure women participate

01:31:26.660 in the structure of things right women were part of the world so we behave in the ways that we're

01:31:32.180 taught to behave so yeah women part do the same that men do women slut shame other women i'm not saying

01:31:38.180 we don't do that i'm responding to your claim about how it's the men who are doing the no

01:31:45.620 i'm trying to say that there is an agenda here right or there isn't one what do you mean

01:31:51.060 well what is that what is the mode what is the motive what what is the goal of the show what's the

01:31:56.900 goal of the show yeah other than to talk about how she's a sovereign citizen for 30 minutes for some

01:32:02.660 reason um so yeah yeah i mean the goal of the show i would say one it's to have interesting

01:32:10.180 and compelling conversations talk about dating so that's what i'm doing yeah yeah get modern and get

01:32:15.700 input from but is there not do you not have a point of view though sure yeah okay so what is it

01:32:22.660 what do you mean what's who do you think is responsible for everyone being dissatisfied with

01:32:27.140 dating it's women right no i would say both men and women okay well if that's if that's your point

01:32:35.140 of view then i look i'll be i'll be charitable and say that to be clear i think both men and women have

01:32:40.740 issues as it relates to dating yeah both men women contribute to this problem yeah i will be charitable

01:32:46.180 and say that probably most of my criticism is pointed more towards women than it is towards men

01:32:54.020 okay so do you want to go off that well is it easier to blame women i don't get it why is it

01:33:02.340 more our fault why is it not in why is it not we're equally responsible it's not my claim you just said

01:33:09.940 that women are more to blame no i said my criticism is more directed towards women doesn't necessarily

01:33:17.940 well that makes sense you're a man so you lean towards that that actually makes sense you're a man

01:33:22.420 you lean towards blaming women we're women no no i'm not going to let you smuggle in something that

01:33:26.980 i didn't say so i didn't say that it could be the case like for example you would agree that it could

01:33:32.420 be the case that actually men are more responsible but my criticisms are still more directed towards

01:33:39.940 women like that you would agree that i'm not saying that that's my position but you would agree that

01:33:43.940 that could be the case yes so i'm not actually making the claim that women are more to blame so you

01:33:49.140 don't believe that so that's not the claim i'm making currently so what is the claim you're making

01:33:53.700 i'm not even in the process there is no there is no claim okay then there's no well why don't you

01:33:58.100 ask me a question and i can specify about dating who is responsible for dating being dissatisfactory for

01:34:07.060 everybody men or women uh both collectively okay then we're in agreement and perhaps there are certain

01:34:13.140 things that women do where there's more representation in certain behaviors that women do okay versus men

01:34:18.580 well then it's you know it's both like i think simps are terrible for dating it's like men who are

01:34:22.900 simps fucking terrible for dating so it's the never-ending war between the sexes consumers

01:34:27.540 consumers of adult content which is predominantly men uh it's not it's maybe sort of dating related

01:34:34.900 that's more society related yeah uh predominantly men really that you shouldn't be doing that you

01:34:39.860 shouldn't be following ig thoughts you shouldn't be like doing all this shit men should not be doing

01:34:44.500 that i agree i i actually don't have an opinion whether or not who's worse for dating men or

01:34:50.900 women i don't really that's not you know i think it's an equal thing that's not really where my

01:34:55.780 criticism is so i'm in agreement with you okay yeah uh we have a super chat here from lucas uh i'll do

01:35:05.780 i'll just do the first one oh my bad so let me get this straight you find the dolls objectionable

01:35:10.580 because they sexually objectify women but you see no issue with the real life of workers who

01:35:15.460 doubtlessly you believe do not sexually objectify women please indulge me and fit the square in that

01:35:21.620 circle are you uh since you're a feminist are you pro or anti s work sports i think women should do

01:35:30.340 what they can to get through life the same as everybody else whatever you can do to get through

01:35:35.460 life do it right but so there's yeah there's two conflicting feminist theories on this there's

01:35:39.460 yeah there's like the pro s work no i know and the anti s work feminist where do you land

01:35:46.180 i think it'd be better if it was on an even footing that there was as much uh male

01:35:51.860 can i say prostitution as much male prostitution is yeah it'd be fine if everyone was doing it yeah

01:35:59.620 when's the last time you have you purchased a male prostitute no because they're not generally

01:36:04.260 something that is available i mean they're less available but you could probably find

01:36:08.100 they're usually for men what's your rate how much you charge nick just kidding if he's don't answer

01:36:12.980 that so you think they're more available he's selling if he's selling i'm buying oh wow okay

01:36:20.580 sorry everybody should be a sex worker i would have less of a problem with it if it wasn't

01:36:25.460 exclusively a female field this is why the west is failing but the purchaser is other men nick what's

01:36:33.060 your for her what's your rate no comment see this is what i'm saying this is what i'm saying 10 mil

01:36:42.980 how many bitcoins see this is okay you hear what he just said i can't sell my soul so why is it okay

01:36:48.660 when women do it it's not a lot of free will no why is it more acceptable for women to sell their body

01:36:56.900 than men to sell well wait actually you know what i would actually i actually think there would be

01:37:02.820 less is there less social stigma for like a male who's offering his services to a woman that's not

01:37:10.500 it's a theoretical most men are gay they do gay prostitution no they do okay sure they're rent boys

01:37:17.380 yeah yeah yeah most men are gay okay wait what okay well we have lucas here with a follow-up can we

01:37:25.460 also for once and for all dispense with this erroneous erroneous erroneous nonsense that christians are

01:37:33.860 prohibited from judgment that's patently ignorant we are prohibited from condemnation making i actually

01:37:41.380 don't know this salvific salvific salvific salvific claims oh my god luke is testing my the the outer

01:37:53.780 limits of my english english is my second language man make it easy for me uh righteous indignation

01:38:00.820 and judgment is certainly appropriate i think that's in response to you do you want to do a quick

01:38:05.380 response to lucas i understand people judge it's let me see so when isn't it in the bible thou shall

01:38:14.980 not like judge their neighbor or whatever i don't know don't quote me on is that right judge not you

01:38:20.100 lest you be judged yes something in there i don't know what that's i just as a christian i

01:38:26.420 what i grew up learning was you weren't supposed to like judge people well you know what let's assume

01:38:32.020 you're right uh as somebody who's secular andrew has given me agency on his behalf to do all the

01:38:39.380 judgment for him so i will the judgment will throw flow through me for the sake of this conversation

01:38:46.340 but you're not like super christian are you yeah i'm okay i mean i'm agnostic everybody judges like i'm

01:38:52.580 but you know i'm i'm like christianity's dope you know it's it's lit yeah but i just look i i don't

01:39:03.860 want to lie like because i don't want to say i'm a christian but like to get brownie points

01:39:10.660 because what i mean isn't that one of the uh do not bear false witness right i i wouldn't want to lie

01:39:16.980 and claim i'm a christian for brownie points once i my faith and belief isn't there yet

01:39:24.420 so maybe when it's there then i'll say i'm a christian but i i don't want to claim something

01:39:28.660 that's not true amen but i'm very pro-christian i have very pro-christian sentiments maybe one day

01:39:40.420 maybe i might become a monk who knows okay anyways getting stoned in glass houses all that

01:39:44.020 um so what were your i'm sorry i was gone you were saying something about shoes or something

01:39:54.980 i don't know they all decided that i am against them oh it's not it's okay i mean by the way like

01:40:01.940 uh i'm for them which is why i'm critical of some things i'm for you too i'm for women i support

01:40:07.140 women's rights and wrongs i don't feel like you're against me yeah i just don't agree with your views i

01:40:12.820 think we disagree yeah i just want an elaboration let's do a really quick shout out guys uh guys

01:40:18.180 like the video if you're enjoying the stream 200 tts read is 100 venmo cash app whatever pod let me do

01:40:24.900 some shout outs because you guys sent some in cody six thanks for the 20 uh thank you man appreciate

01:40:30.740 it that's cash app curtis johnson 25 a legal paternal surrender for one of the i'm starting a

01:40:38.660 men's rights organization i need i need some help boys we're going to we're going to do ad we're

01:40:43.860 going to do uh litigate not litigation we're going to do advocacy but we're also going to do

01:40:52.980 what's the word somebody help me uh activist litigation so we're going to do that we're going

01:41:00.180 to try to change laws legal paternal surrender that's another one you know we're going to do

01:41:05.060 we're going to circumcision band increase but redo we're going to do some redo child support

01:41:12.340 redo alimony redo child custody doesn't circumcision help men to keep the penis clean if you're why is

01:41:20.100 that again why is that anti-men uh because you're gen you're mutilating the genitals of baby boys

01:41:26.260 upon birth without it's a medical hygienic thing have you ever watched one i mean yeah i've seen so so i mean

01:41:33.940 you do there's a reason you do realize though that it's also a religious thing yeah islam and judaism

01:41:41.380 right but i don't think that uh religious exemption should allow somebody to mutilate but it helps keep

01:41:48.980 the penis in better condition okay so even if a lot of men don't wash so okay wow wow that's a really

01:41:57.060 sexist statement because you do realize there are men who are on sexist fact well no but you realize

01:42:02.900 hold on you realize that there are men who are uncut who have no problems with their hygiene so this

01:42:09.540 idea that men are so incapable of of it hold on men are so incapable of adhering to a certain standard

01:42:16.740 of hygiene that we need to mutilate their genitals i'm saying men came up with circumcision so probably

01:42:22.980 there was a reason behind it i'm not saying it women didn't say oh we need to circumcise right so

01:42:28.340 a lot of things in the past were wrong currently i think in modern it wasn't the past it was more

01:42:32.820 recent in america it was a medical intervention not medical insurance won't cover it because it's

01:42:38.180 cosmetic it is most men in america are circumcised for medical reasons it's 50 50. it's not for medical

01:42:43.620 reasons although there to be fair there are cosmetic and it costs five hundred dollars so there there

01:42:48.500 are some but this typically manifests itself in like it improves the appearance right aesthetically

01:42:54.980 well uh is that subjective or can we get no that is subjective but i think the opinion is majorly in

01:43:01.780 favor of aesthetically looking at a circumcised penis well when the penis is erect it looks the same

01:43:07.460 yeah but not only that it's i'm saying circumcision is weird to take the point that that's anti-male

01:43:14.260 because i think it's pro-male i so you would agree if it was a woman cutting her up when she was

01:43:19.860 first born not her having to say it would for the same reasons for appearance and oh she would be

01:43:24.660 cleaner well there is no equivalent reason if there was if there was what are they shortened there

01:43:29.940 look like they do circumcise they do cut the clitoris off in certain and do you agree with that

01:43:34.740 yeah of course not because it's a there's no actual reason and there's no actual reason to do it

01:43:38.580 but there is no there's medical literature and why there's a reason i want you to research that

01:43:43.300 i have i've read about it yeah but but so look i i think that adult men can decide for themselves

01:43:49.940 so okay then you prefer the islamic version of it when they're when they're 13 they generally

01:43:56.820 circumcise well no it shouldn't be hold on that's not a kid wait they're still children wait are you

01:44:04.020 you against no i'm saying you're saying it should be a decision right yeah they can make the decision

01:44:09.860 when they're adults like 18 and over okay fine it hurts more though okay so so they shouldn't be

01:44:16.020 doing it at all to be honest my daughter doesn't just she asked me to i'm saying i don't see how

01:44:20.180 that's an anti-male circumcision being anti-male i don't know why you're framing it from it necessarily

01:44:25.700 being it improves generally it improves wait wait hold on i'll let you make your points but yeah this

01:44:31.060 you're again i think you're unfairly framing this here circumcision in my view is something

01:44:36.260 that negatively impacts men whether you consider that anti in what way oh sure i mean there's plenty

01:44:41.860 nick in the uh discord you can go to um go to the lots of sexual pleasure research tab so that's right

01:44:51.540 that's not under general it's the separate research tab it's the one below resources it's

01:44:57.620 circumcision if you can pull that up no so go all the way down to the research tab then there's

01:45:06.820 circumcision and then you're going to find a uh like an infographic that you can pull up about this

01:45:13.380 much at all so there's a whole bunch of reasons i don't want to linger too long on the circumcision con

01:45:18.180 conversation but uh pull it up w

01:45:24.980 so i mean there's a whole bunch of uh you got it yeah yeah can you uh window okay all right so uh

01:45:38.180 so partial total loss of penile body 10 percent partial total loss of the foreskin that well that's

01:45:47.140 going to be 100 percent uh 72 percent lose the frenulum uh little to no shot anyways you can read

01:45:54.500 this there's a whole bunch of stuff there um in reality though in practice men generally don't have

01:46:04.020 it's not a debilitating condition being circumcised okay men go through life circumcised and they're

01:46:09.940 fine yeah so to be charitable i would say most circumcisions are uneventful like there's no

01:46:15.620 complications however there are many men who do have complications although i would then argue

01:46:22.420 in terms of like those things i listed there aren't those complications every single man who is

01:46:27.860 circumcised there's like nerve endings in the uh the foreskin that are no longer there it makes less

01:46:36.100 conceivably ostensibly less pleasurable there's equal you can bring up equal you know medical literature

01:46:41.860 on how it prevents infection that's that's fine though just learn how to clean yourself as a

01:46:46.980 parent you should be teaching your son how to clean yourself and in reality it is what it is right

01:46:52.020 this isn't like some third world thing here people in i'm saying it's not inherently anti-male

01:46:59.780 it's not inherently i think it's a helpful thing right for men to help hygiene you so you think the pros

01:47:06.260 outweigh the cons yeah hygiene is important you don't want infections and under the skin of the

01:47:11.300 why would we be born with something we don't need hold on you realize little boys are very yeah you

01:47:15.940 realize that somebody who who is uncut can observe perfect hygiene but they don't in reality tend to

01:47:23.220 right little boys yeah i don't think that's justification for mutilation and that's where

01:47:27.140 their parents come in and make sure okay well from the perspective of the in this country there's

01:47:31.940 religious uh rights freedom right uh there's the jewish religion there's the islamic religion and

01:47:37.620 they have the right to do that so i don't care but um it's not like it's yeah and i i you're

01:47:42.980 positioning it as like if i was a politician or i was able to change the law i would make laws making

01:47:48.180 this something that cannot be practiced so you would remove religious freedom how would it i hold

01:47:55.620 because you're saying jews can't circumcise their children well let's assume hold on so let's assume

01:48:00.100 there was a religion i'm not talking about judaism but let's say there was a religion that allowed

01:48:04.980 like horrific crimes to be committed against children but it's not it's a false equivalency

01:48:10.340 let's how is it i'm talking about reality i'm talking about in the jewish practice they circumcise

01:48:15.380 and it's hold on but it's okay but if in modern day time we view this as barbarism and we view this

01:48:22.420 as a barbarian yeah it's kind of yeah it is and i think i don't know isn't it wait hold on isn't it

01:48:28.340 the case in don't they like i could be wrong chat i don't want to like misspeak don't they like

01:48:35.700 bite the foreskin off okay that's an only orthodox ultra ultra religious yeah okay do you believe in

01:48:44.340 the religious freedom for the rabbis or whatever to i don't know again i don't i don't know i don't

01:48:48.660 enjoy religious extremism i'm not okay but it's their religious freedom and their religious rights

01:48:53.220 are you in favor of them being able to like i think if something oh my god that's so gross

01:48:58.260 i think if something crosses to the extreme end of it it should be curtailed right i'm saying in the

01:49:03.540 okay but it's their religious freedom should they be able to like chop off the foreskin with their

01:49:08.340 mouth and again that's an extreme which i'm against i feel like i'm saying okay so then if we're able to

01:49:14.980 limit some religious uh traditions then i think we can also limit other religious traditions if they go to

01:49:22.340 the point of being disgusting and extreme like that we can limit them i think mutilating a child's

01:49:27.940 penis upon birth is disgusting okay that's but it's not even a religious thing it's not even just to

01:49:33.700 be clear it's not even a religious argument i'm making most circumcisions are just done in the

01:49:39.140 hospital for no religious reason well in the united kingdom of brian that's illegal it's fine you have

01:49:45.220 your own opinion also you can have your opinion i think the issue that people have with the view is

01:49:49.860 right if there was something that happened to girls that were the equivalent of that it's the

01:49:54.660 clitoral cutting right and you would be against that you said because there's well that's just

01:49:59.940 a practice of not wanting women to have a clitoris that's a religious aspect that's a religious

01:50:04.820 practice if you're against one then you're against the other that's a false equivalence you can't

01:50:09.700 explain to me how it's a false equivalency yeah female genital mutilation does not have any

01:50:16.340 scientific proven benefit you it doesn't have any other reason other than wanting to

01:50:25.140 curtail the ability to enjoy sex it doesn't justify it's not enough to justify it's dirty

01:50:30.340 and going to get an infection they can get an infection regardless they can get like women

01:50:33.220 get infections yeah women don't keep themselves clean if they're not clean i'm sure if anyone goes

01:50:38.260 online and just looks up the reason for the common use of circumcision in america they'll find that i'm

01:50:44.420 not making anything up there's a but it's not the only way we mutilate a baby it's not the only way

01:50:49.860 to stay people want their son circumcised mainly because it cosmetically looks right well that's

01:50:57.300 also with hygiene it has nothing to do with it does have no it does not oh my god i wish you

01:51:02.500 can get objectively in reality wait is this the female is it are you arguing for the female gaze like

01:51:08.500 because women like it's more aesthetically pleasing we should mutilate the genitals of children

01:51:13.540 it only has an aesthetic reason i'm saying it has a health because if you google it if you

01:51:18.100 research on it it does not change it's okay i don't want to get stuck on this i'm just saying

01:51:22.180 it's not anti-male and i don't think women set it up as a system but your your argument fails because

01:51:27.940 even if we go ahead and grant that i'm going to go ahead and grant for the sake of argument it might

01:51:32.580 absolutely be the case that through circumcision yes it it offers more opportunity to observe hygiene

01:51:39.380 more easily right and it might even be the case like if you compare the same person cut versus

01:51:44.660 uncut they're just going to be more hygienic if they're cut i don't fucking care i don't care it's

01:51:52.020 not it's not worth you have the right to not want that it's not worth the potential risks of the

01:51:57.940 procedure it's not worth the potential future dissatisfaction of sexual pleasure and it's just not

01:52:03.700 like it's just you're not into it that's fine that he has to believe he has the right to believe

01:52:08.580 it and to feel that way what about the kids that are getting cut every single day that have no rights

01:52:13.380 to say anything children are born and immediately they get a bunch of vaccines they didn't agree to

01:52:18.580 they get a bunch of prescribed procedures they didn't agree to when you're a little baby you're

01:52:22.900 immediately i mean as the as the parents i think you can probably have a choice the parents have a

01:52:27.780 choice me personally like i had my son like circumcised and when i saw it i told myself i

01:52:34.340 would never do it again if i had a new son ever again in my life i had no idea it was even like

01:52:38.260 that well that's it's horrible okay horrible and my son's but is he okay now well yeah of course he's

01:52:43.540 fine okay well did he make but there's like there's difference like if you have skin or not like

01:52:48.340 it's a hygiene thing like there's no medical reason for you to even circumcise your child

01:52:52.820 i mean you're talking about infections i can tell you that in my family they don't do that

01:52:56.660 shit they don't uh sniff and there's never as far as i know never been any issue okay no issues

01:53:02.820 no fucking issues i'm telling you also also you see like all these other countries like i don't think

01:53:09.860 they do this in asia right i don't think they do it in a lot of european countries it's not like their

01:53:15.460 men are just the men in these countries are just perpetually infected in the genital region

01:53:20.980 because they're uncut sure if there's a there again i'm willing to grant that there might be

01:53:25.780 like a slightly elevated risk of certain infections or or you know hot you know hygiene or whatever

01:53:33.380 not i don't think i don't think it's inherently a practice that's against men that is done because

01:53:39.620 we hate men hold on i didn't even necessarily yeah i'm not even that was my argument i'm saying it's not

01:53:44.900 anti-male i just think most people aren't aware of the counter-arguments against circumcision i don't

01:53:49.780 think the mothers who are opting to do this are like evil or malevolent and want to inflict pain

01:53:55.860 onto their yeah uh baby boys yeah but it is something that negatively impacts men so whether that's

01:54:03.140 anti-male or not i don't really care in perceptible ways imperceptible what do you mean imperceptible

01:54:08.740 millions of men go through life with not a single ramification from being circumcised and i'm about

01:54:14.660 to make the counter-argument millions of men go through life uncut and they're totally accurate

01:54:20.820 hello have you heard of europe and no i actually meant i thought you were going to say that chat maybe

01:54:25.300 somebody in the chat can help me because they can tell me the statistics isn't it the case that the

01:54:29.140 majority of the world population the earth population they they're uncut they don't get

01:54:34.980 circumcised we're the highest country i could be wrong i i could be wrong but i'm pretty sure

01:54:39.860 we're in the minority i could be wrong it's different practices in different countries i'm

01:54:45.060 i'm saying it's just not inherently anti-male as a practice it's not done to punish okay great you're

01:54:50.900 you're arguing with the phantom i've repeatedly said that's no that was my initial argument though

01:54:55.380 that's all i was saying i'm saying how is circumcision against men you're saying like against men

01:55:00.020 yeah how is it anti if how is it punishment of men is interesting framing does it harm men yes

01:55:07.460 that was female genital mutilation that's not harm against women i just have no it is literally the

01:55:12.420 same thing it's literally the same thing you're right you're right even no you're absolutely right

01:55:18.660 in the sense that the literature out there will tell you that that the reason that we do this is

01:55:22.820 because of cleanliness however and i'm i can't say anything more because it's tts and so on and so

01:55:28.740 forth but i believe that the uh we started doing this for more nefarious purposes um and it's

01:55:35.620 justified by saying uh it will keep your child clean well i don't think anyone's required to

01:55:41.220 circumcise in this country but most personal parental decision i i didn't know any better when i had my

01:55:46.820 son i just thought this is what i'm supposed to do so i did it but there was no requirement i'm curious

01:55:53.540 for the women here who have had children when you're in the hospital it's it's done like shortly

01:55:58.500 after birth right oh you you do you go back to the hospital and you go but decision so they don't

01:56:04.900 do it like not that now not that you make an appointment and you so you know if you'll come

01:56:09.380 back yeah within a few days you go to your your clinic doctor not the hospital oh okay and then so

01:56:15.540 but is it a specific appointment to get that done or is it like you're just going to your is

01:56:21.460 is it the obgy who does that who what doctor my ogbyn did it he was the guy now yeah he'll do it

01:56:28.980 so but is it is it something that's because i i mean after the birth you're going to the doctor for

01:56:35.220 a whole bunch of things so is it something that like it's just kind of you you would let them know

01:56:41.860 like i had let the doctor know what i wanted to do like as i was having my baby or and even after he was

01:56:47.460 born i had so i went yeah we got vermilion tells me 70 to 80 percent of men worldwide are uncut

01:56:55.620 uncircumcised w i think it's a decision right it's not a requirement in this country well but if

01:57:00.900 there's enough social social pressure that's and and like a lot of a lot of parents are going to look

01:57:08.100 to the authority of a doctor and they're going to be like okay we'll just do it whatever like my

01:57:14.980 my mom they're not even going to question it there's a lot of the doctor is suggesting it

01:57:18.820 because of the reason i stated well think about this okay well the doctors also recent like in

01:57:23.060 the past couple years also suggested people do something and well i was going to say for the most

01:57:28.180 for the most part with doctors like unless it's an extreme situation they're going to be like okay do

01:57:32.900 this for a little bit and we'll see if it gets worse like with the majority of illnesses so that

01:57:38.260 seems like an extreme situation to be like oh for cleanliness normally it's like okay you we would

01:57:42.900 have to meet you if it's going to literally kill you but that's all they say wait i have a question

01:57:47.540 for you i have a question for you you say like the doctors are the ones well yeah the doctors base

01:57:52.900 their recommendation on medical do you think health care is better in the united states or in europe

01:57:59.140 i think there's equal problems in europe as there are here like not everything is perfect everywhere

01:58:03.940 on the top five european countries in terms of health care i don't know what so what i get okay i

01:58:11.700 guess my question is because a lot of people would say like you probably have objections to the

01:58:16.180 united states health care system right i have objections to the canadian when i lived in canada

01:58:21.540 it's not great i've lived in the uk it's not great they there's equal problems in every country right

01:58:27.220 but so what is what are the european doctors getting wrong on this topic well it seems to be a

01:58:34.260 difference of medical opinion in europe and here there they have also differences in opinion on other

01:58:39.620 topics of medicine not just the circumcision they don't like the food additives you know here we

01:58:45.540 have certain things that are illegal there and there there's certain things that are illegal

01:58:50.100 here you would agree that these european doctors and medical professionals they're they're not quacks

01:58:55.060 are they i'm not saying they're quacks but i'm saying science has different uh there's arguments

01:58:59.940 in science too these doctors in europe these aren't third world countries they're they're just as if not

01:59:06.100 more uh okay so you want to be european then you want america to be more european there's not a

01:59:12.340 universe it's not universal agreement from the medical field when it comes to there's no universal

01:59:18.260 agreement on almost anything in science yeah there's some few things that they're universal agreement on

01:59:25.220 and it's constantly developing in different places right but i think there's like for example

01:59:29.860 there's probably like broad universe universal agreement on certain medical things sure but on

01:59:36.580 this one there's quite a divide it's money it's money yeah they probably just they do it in canada

01:59:43.220 too again i gotta move on uh hold on we were did somebody over here have something on this i don't

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02:00:49.380 that's shop.whatever.com nick do you want to pull it up really quick guys get get yourself a t-shirt

02:00:54.100 uh we got some cool shirts big labia matter you can wear the same thing i'm wearing we got a cool uh

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02:01:03.860 very nice all right two chats coming in here we have let's see actually religious chair two oh you know

02:01:11.780 what here i'm gonna pull it back up when she's uh back because that's directed at her hold on that's

02:01:17.860 gonna take a sec uh also guys oh wait here let me do i have time okay lucas let's be real your

02:01:25.060 gripe oh wait i'm gonna wait until she's back i don't want to screw people over okay read 100 tts

02:01:30.500 200 if you want to get a message in guys if you're enjoying the stream uh like the video also discord.gg

02:01:35.540 slash whatever okay yes that would be great if you start an mra group chair three is disgusting for

02:01:40.740 rolling her eyes when talking about custody and child support reform she has no idea the level of

02:01:45.540 female evil in courts chair three that's you were you rolling your eyes i guess uh yeah it seems a

02:01:50.420 little silly to me when that conversation comes up i feel like a lot of people say that um women like

02:01:56.180 we didn't 100 pivot that way but i thought that's the direction in my head that women are like having

02:02:00.340 children to like capitalize on like child yeah what is it child violence yeah it's like 500 a month to

02:02:07.060 pop out a kid like are you gonna ruin your body for like whatever not that much money 100 a month to

02:02:12.660 pop out a kid yeah like i'm saying child support isn't that much so i don't think like women

02:02:16.500 weaponize having that's not true i get a really good amount of child support there's people that

02:02:21.300 a good amount of child support oh look wait uh how old's your kid 10 and seven and you wait it's

02:02:27.620 two fathers one oh sorry sister sorry i'm getting confused with the other no one okay through marriage

02:02:33.140 uh and so how much do you get paid for one or are you getting child for just one are you getting

02:02:40.820 child support from both yeah yeah what's the numbers or the breakdown together it'd be like 12

02:02:47.380 1200 together and then individually they're probably like six six and six that is not enough

02:02:52.660 money for me to look after a whole child it's not but that's not just what he does the thing is

02:02:57.380 um see through the custody papers i have everything the kids a little closer i have the my kids so the

02:03:03.940 paperwork says that i have the kids are with me like 90 of the time yeah so they go based on that

02:03:08.740 and he works full-time and everything but he gets them like 50 of the time that's about what i said

02:03:13.540 though like 500 kid but he's also like you know pay that much for the amount of time that he's spending

02:03:18.500 you know there's also people that like will go and purposely get pregnant with like someone famous

02:03:23.060 for the money even with anybody sure there's people i like i like to talk even women they get

02:03:28.900 pregnant just to trap a guy that don't want them sure there's people who do all kinds of crazy shitty

02:03:33.860 things there's guys that break the condom to trap a woman who knows okay but let's not talk about

02:03:38.180 the exception guys really do what exactly there's no guy going out there oh let me get this girl

02:03:42.260 pregnant it's like a keeper exactly let's talk about the exception let's talk about that you think

02:03:45.860 most women are like going out there and trapping men yeah yeah did you i didn't i was married

02:03:50.980 but they do so what context clues give you that what i well anecdotally i have a lot of

02:03:57.220 friends that would do that there's a lot of friends that would pretend they were pregnant also

02:04:00.980 that's a whole separate issue how you're still trapping them for something you know pretending

02:04:06.820 being a pathological liar and pretending that you're pregnant are is very difficult oh she'll

02:04:09.860 eventually get pregnant but like utilize bring okay if you would bring life into this world for 600

02:04:15.460 a month each child that's a huge problem it's not that the purpose why you're bringing the child into the

02:04:19.300 room i never wanted to get divorced no you know that's not what you bring a kid in but that's

02:04:24.900 not the only source of income either of course yeah i'm just saying like when people say that

02:04:29.380 women and weaponize having children they do i feel like a lot of women do i have kids so then guys you

02:04:34.820 should get into sales or something because there's way more money to be made and you don't have to

02:04:38.180 have to look after the kids have you had kids no that's why i was holding my eyes i guess i was

02:04:44.020 uneducated guilty i'm sorry okay anyways moving on uh we're gonna get into some more of the show notes

02:04:51.300 uh let's go with uh julie starting with you uh what do you say to a man who messages in a friendly

02:04:58.900 way but who you know has a greater interest that was your question it seems rude to just say you're not

02:05:03.860 interested yeah if someone is interested um in you and they message and and uh they haven't actually

02:05:11.060 said you know hey would you like to go out or hey i like you or whatever it may be but you don't want

02:05:16.740 to lead someone on how do you respond which would otherwise be a normal a friendly response because

02:05:24.180 you don't want to leave that person on what's the proper way to handle that so just i want to repeat

02:05:27.860 back to you just so i make sure that i understood it so a guy is like conversating with you you have no

02:05:33.540 interest you suspect he has interest but he hasn't stated he has interest yet you think he has

02:05:39.140 interest but he's just like creating conversation i'm assuming you don't want to be talking to him

02:05:44.260 is that if it was strictly in a friend capacity that would be fine i'm but i i don't really have

02:05:49.620 anything to say um so i don't know if i'd call it a friend but um but what's the polite manner how do you

02:05:56.260 uh well i mean it's kind of hard because if the guy hasn't overtly like has he asked you to lunch or

02:06:05.860 something a long time ago he asked if i would like to go to some thing in another state with him and i

02:06:15.060 didn't respond because i mean it's usually easier to make a definitive sort of statement immediately

02:06:20.980 after they've tried to move things forward in some sort of way if it's just a casual conversation

02:06:26.020 it might come across a little out of the blue but you could just be like hey listen uh you know it

02:06:31.940 was really nice meeting you you seem like a cool guy i'm just not really looking for anything right now

02:06:37.300 and uh but i wish you luck in what you're looking for oh that's nice and then he's like

02:06:44.180 thinking of you oh thinking what did i say to that but like in a romantic like as a friend type

02:06:52.020 well we're not friends so he's trying to get with you keep it vague so oh you could just be like oh

02:06:58.580 hey i really appreciate the compliment but you know honestly i'm not really looking for anything

02:07:03.300 right now um i mean if you want i'm okay with kind of like little white lies you could be like hey i'm

02:07:08.740 seeing somebody if you're not seeing somebody whatever i don't i think it's okay to segue into saying

02:07:13.140 you know i'm not i'm not really looking to see anyone right now even though that wasn't directly

02:07:16.500 asked uh i mean the only problem you might run into there is he's just gonna be like okay well

02:07:21.060 i'll just hit you up when you are ready although maybe some guys are gonna take the hint but uh you

02:07:26.420 could honestly i would i think little white lies are fine i think most guys are gonna stop if you're

02:07:30.660 like hey i'm seeing somebody or if you want to be more direct you could be like hey thank you so much

02:07:36.420 but i just don't really think there's a connection here it's like a business email i think you should

02:07:41.700 be polite no i've done that before too the passive like oh thank you i appreciate that

02:07:46.660 but ultimately i don't think that that's right either well you need to make a definitive statement

02:07:52.020 saying like you're not interested so that's fair i would just try to be diplomatic about it

02:08:01.620 you can say hey thanks for the compliment or you know whatever they say but um i just not sure for the

02:08:07.380 right fit all the best but yeah yeah uh okay and then you said not all men command submission meaning

02:08:16.340 they're not dominant enough to make a woman naturally submit all men command submission yeah

02:08:22.580 so i think uh i don't think all men command it if that makes sense right it's like so for example i know

02:08:31.060 um like the way andrew sees things is ultimately you're submissive to whoever you're with and that's

02:08:37.140 it but if you have a if someone who's more um like they don't take charge sure i'll word it the other

02:08:46.580 way when someone does take charge it naturally falls in line to where you're naturally submissive

02:08:52.580 mm-hmm does that make sense but then i guess i would just say don't if that's the kind of

02:08:58.580 relationship dynamic you want or are desirous of don't date somebody who's not meeting that threshold of

02:09:06.740 uh whatever you're looking for i guess no i i completely agree but i don't but i think it's a

02:09:11.780 little challenging to uh how do you how do you uh screen people and say hey i'm looking for someone

02:09:17.460 who's nice and dominant well they should be that way kind of up front don't you think the the male

02:09:24.100 right like when you know kind of immediately a very masculine man who isn't actually dominant

02:09:30.980 okay well are you okay dating a masculine man who's not dominant i prefer the dominance okay uh well i mean

02:09:40.340 so he's he's a masculine man but he does what like he he's like you're like wait let me try to think

02:09:49.300 of an example here you're you're asking him what's the plan for dinner and he's like whatever you want

02:09:58.740 is that would that be an example

02:10:03.140 or even the fact that you have to ask him no not necessarily i i obviously there's i shouldn't say

02:10:08.740 obviously you're you're going to have regular communication hey babe what you want for dinner

02:10:13.700 whatever the case is i don't know i have a hard time um explaining that but i do feel like with

02:10:18.980 someone who is

02:10:22.500 i it's maybe it's more so just a way a man carries himself commands that the aura um i don't know

02:10:30.740 sorry i'm not the best at no you're fine outlining you're fine um i mean that makes sense i mean

02:10:37.060 there are men who you encounter when dating who are more or less dominant and you don't feel like

02:10:46.020 submitting to those men who are not dominant sounds kind of simple right do you find what to do i mean

02:10:51.860 but do you even find yourself struggling to be submissive to men who even do meet your threshold of

02:10:58.500 no dominance oh okay well that's fine because i mean i do think there's there is another component i'll

02:11:04.580 agree that there's probably men who they're not great leaders they don't take great initiative

02:11:09.780 they're not particularly dominant that might be an issue in and of itself but then there's also women

02:11:16.420 who even when they're with a you know masculine guy a leader or whatever it is they don't want to be

02:11:23.140 followers so if you want to be with a guy who's a leader you have to be a follower there can't be

02:11:28.100 agree two leaders agree in a relationship it's not going to work um you also said brian or you

02:11:36.260 said you're you're not sleeping with somebody as quickly as i guess my expectation because you're

02:11:42.020 on the show before and we were having a conversation about like how how soon should you sleep with

02:11:47.140 somebody is that correct right okay um you said that intimacy is extremely sacred and important you

02:11:54.500 have zero interest in giving that part of you to somebody you basically just met a man's dna

02:11:59.380 and a woman changes her i heard about that what is it the crypto crime mirror what is it

02:12:05.620 chimerism or something no yeah no i don't mean chimerism i literally had an ex convinced my first

02:12:11.060 ex that maybe that's why i was with him for four years but he literally told me that like once like

02:12:15.940 someone like goes inside you that your like body forms to them basically and like no sex will ever be as

02:12:21.940 good with anyone else and i believe that shit i literally believe that i'm like that's that i'm

02:12:27.220 like my thing has been molded oh okay cool really but but no obviously i i'm responding to like your

02:12:37.140 comments you know frequently you'll you'll say uh i you know i'm not going to wait around for three

02:12:41.780 months to be with someone and i'm not addressing the false virtue or anything of that nature right just

02:12:46.020 in general um so so not obviously just you but any men who are like that in that sense expecting to

02:12:53.540 have sex so quickly um i i i don't see i'm just arguing in the sense of it should probably be longer

02:13:04.820 because my plan is to be with that person that that to be the last person that i'm with okay well

02:13:12.180 question for the entire table or maybe uh what what how long do you think you should wait until

02:13:21.220 having sex starting with you depends on the date and depends on the date okay what do you think

02:13:28.260 into the mic sorry i agree with her depends on the date okay yeah i would say probably two months

02:13:35.860 two months okay you said should wait question oh should you said how long should you ideally probably

02:13:41.380 two months how about how long do you is a better question like three dates okay i think it matters

02:13:46.660 on the connection it depends on the connection okay i agree with that too do you agree um i need to be

02:13:53.380 in a committed relationship so however okay that takes what about you i would definitely agree with

02:13:58.420 that and i do think it depends so for example i've met people where we've talked almost every single

02:14:02.980 day for a month and a half constantly speaking conversing to where like you know that person

02:14:09.380 and then when you finally meet them then that's fairly quick but for example with my uh husband

02:14:16.820 or former husband um waited three months okay what about you i think of it um if it looks like it's

02:14:24.100 going to be something serious um probably a month and a half if it looks like it's going to be something

02:14:30.980 serious like what if it looks like it's not going to be something serious then i wouldn't

02:14:35.380 would you just right away right away yeah well why waste time why would i want to hang out why

02:14:40.660 continue if it's not going to turn into anything serious that's the but so you're saying you would

02:14:45.220 just not do anything with them i mean you're talking about having sex with them right yeah like

02:14:52.020 would you have a casual encounter no i'm not into that okay so for all of your guys's answers i want

02:14:58.900 a show of hands have you ever ever had sex shorter than that like in a shorter length of time than

02:15:08.100 what y'all just said no show of hands really okay no nobody's had like a one night stand or you hooked

02:15:15.700 up with somebody like the first second third date yeah that's what i was gonna say as um literally as a

02:15:21.060 the penalty date as a teenager dude my last like three relationships i'm like every time i go to

02:15:26.900 like f the rebound and i'm like okay i'm gonna get over this guy oh yeah this guy's poly and lives in

02:15:31.700 his purse there's no way i'm gonna like get sucked into this every time i sleep with someone i feel

02:15:35.940 like i end up down the relationship pipeline with them so it's okay it's like chemical like you can get

02:15:41.780 into a relationship and have it be a long-term relationship and sleep with the person super

02:15:46.980 quick too yeah i'm just saying you shouldn't probably because it always ends up in a relationship

02:15:51.060 for me i'm like even if you know objectively beforehand they're like oh they're not

02:15:54.980 they're not worth my time and then the second you hook up it's like what's that oh i'll take

02:15:59.940 a look in just a second connection with them you do it's like literally chemical i'm like damn

02:16:04.660 why's the first looking kind of cute i'm not on like any kind of crusade about it i just feel like

02:16:08.740 you know personally like if i'm not gonna if i don't feel like this is something that's gonna

02:16:13.380 evolve into a real relationship i'm just not gonna spend further time investing in you i mean

02:16:17.700 what's the point you shouldn't because it will go further and be put out i feel like typically

02:16:23.940 there's something nick i'm gonna send you something to pull up here except it's taken

02:16:28.740 forever for me to find it freaking dropbox okay here i'm gonna send it private chat it's related to this

02:16:35.780 conversation uh you're gonna make it open it outside of drop dropbox if that makes sense

02:16:42.100 okay and while we're doing that i'm just gonna read a couple chats then we'll get right back to

02:16:46.180 the conversation uh yo matt thank you for the super chat appreciate it no kissing for the first damn

02:16:52.820 man then what okay well all right god strongest soldier good for you matt he gets laid a lot well

02:16:58.900 done uh lucas says let's be real your gripe with the podcast is that it shines a light on an ever-grown

02:17:04.260 cohort of abhorrent female behavior together with the covert vein of misandry cloaked under a guise of

02:17:11.940 egalitarian feminism all of which is tacitly endorsed by the sisterhood that's for you do you

02:17:18.180 have a response that's for me yes okay i don't really have this uh vehement opinion on dating but uh

02:17:28.820 i don't know again it takes two to tango right men like to string women along generally women like

02:17:34.260 to be in relationships and men like to waste women's time generally that's my experience with

02:17:40.500 uh female friends that i have wait is that even a response to the well i don't know i i didn't get

02:17:47.140 the question that women are abhorrent and men are not abhorrent no that your gripe with the

02:17:52.340 product podcast is that it shines a light on our the fall of the west basically the fall of the west

02:17:58.580 lies on the backs of our back right no i'm not saying that i'm just summarizing because i don't know

02:18:05.140 all the terms i didn't go to college it doesn't involve two people it only involves us no they

02:18:10.420 were just saying what your gripe with the podcast is yeah my gripe with the podcast is that it's uh

02:18:15.860 describing women as abhorrent female and he's saying that the only reason you have a gripe with

02:18:20.100 it is because i think that's what lucas was saying yeah why did that happen yeah he was literally just

02:18:23.460 saying it's your only problem with it is that it shines a light it gives platform to the degeneracy

02:18:28.980 of women the degradation of the or the west whatever it doesn't involve two parties it's

02:18:34.820 just women that are degraded i don't think i'm saying that access to the men that's a

02:18:39.380 and men are not involved whatsoever in any negotiation at the end of the day the woman's the one that

02:18:45.460 lays on her back and accepts it whoa okay see i think they're both not all the time

02:18:49.220 thank you whoever bought some merchandise i don't know it just says someone uh so i don't know

02:18:58.900 someone all right thank you someone shout out you uh hashtag big lady matter nick do you have that

02:19:03.620 or actually wait before we do that there were two chats i need to do we have actually religious

02:19:09.860 chair two feminism is everything that's wrong with current society since you're studying feminism you

02:19:14.500 should read rachel's book occult feminism feminism is hurting both men and women your response to that

02:19:24.420 again i don't lay the blame for the decline of western culture entirely on feminism

02:19:31.300 i think feminism overall has benefited us in general because our grandmothers and great-grandmothers

02:19:38.660 weren't having as good a time so uh i think the decline of the west is not necessarily entirely

02:19:45.940 the fault of women or feminism can you paint a picture of you said grandmothers were not having

02:19:51.620 a great time can you paint a picture of what you're talking about and is this universal like all

02:19:56.180 grandmothers were having a bad time no i'm saying 50 generally speaking historically right yeah our

02:20:04.820 mothers all of our mothers had a better experience going through life having more

02:20:12.580 just choices to be a human being and how they wanted to live versus let's say our mother's great

02:20:20.180 grandmother i would say that's like so there's so many variables that you're ignoring on that though

02:20:24.500 i would say yeah that's true but it's because my great-grandparents were like first generation

02:20:28.500 like no there's different variables i'm just saying like what does i have to do in a general

02:20:33.380 historical sense women of a previous generation not the modern one had a more curtailed life i would

02:20:42.820 agree and so i think that most people's gripe is that they feel that it stopped being like having

02:20:48.500 neat having a disparity like probably whatever your time frame is 10 30 50 years ago and things have

02:20:54.020 been equal for a long time so then it's like we don't need like any more improvement for the future

02:20:59.380 generally i think is like a primary grape or that we're like at an equal spot are you saying you

02:21:04.740 think women today are happier than they were than your grandparents are i can't i don't know how to

02:21:10.660 measure happiness i'm saying in general the rights to be who you are in the world have expanded over time

02:21:19.540 for everybody but also for women

02:21:21.540 his mother grew up in a post-feminist society right everyone's mother grew up in a post-feminist

02:21:29.860 society and i would say that our great-grandmothers uh might have not enjoyed as much as our mothers

02:21:39.140 enjoyed growing up in a post-feminist society i think the quality of life is getting better in

02:21:43.700 general they didn't have like uber they didn't have so like all these things it's part of it it's all part

02:21:49.540 of it it's progress it's all part of the march towards whatever where do you think women got

02:21:54.420 the idea that they should be um out working or um well women didn't get any idea uh world war ii

02:22:03.700 pushed women into the workforce basically because men were fighting wasn't meant to be forever

02:22:09.380 exactly but that was that that was but that was the outcome it pushed women into the workforce and

02:22:16.020 after that there was a many men were murdered in the world war ii right there was a massive

02:22:22.660 slaughter of men and so after that women were in the workforce it was a historical thing it wasn't

02:22:28.340 a decision but were they just making like bullet cases or something like it wasn't like they were

02:22:33.780 like they were making munitions munitions they were building munitions they work in factories

02:22:40.020 they do now still yeah that's what pushed women and they stayed there because that's you know it was

02:22:44.900 just what happened it wasn't necessarily due to feminism it was because there was a war but they

02:22:50.820 kept us there because of feminism no actually didn't they no when they went back women went back

02:22:56.100 into the 1950s was a retraction women went back into homemaking but who cares about these like

02:23:02.340 romanticized like time periods of like whatever the because that was the greatest time no i'm just

02:23:07.460 what what was the greatest time in the 50s okay please i mean i didn't listen i'm not

02:23:13.460 responsible for what women decided to do in the 60s and 70s for men we wouldn't have them anyways

02:23:19.220 men were the majority decision makers of what we have right now so in terms of women's rights

02:23:24.820 women were the ones responsible not men in terms of actual legal allowed you to be women were actually

02:23:30.980 fighting back unfortunately oh i want to vote and stuff it was men men were the ones that granted

02:23:36.500 everything okay why do you give so much credit to men though because they're the ones that i think

02:23:40.500 it was this they built this i think she's right in saying if men had made a general decision that

02:23:47.140 no you're not going to allow women to work in the workforce they would not be working in the workforce

02:23:51.860 so at some point they decided sure go ahead get a job if you want to get a job i mean there were

02:23:57.300 different situations so like the first wave right first wave of feminism if we're talking about

02:24:02.820 feminism yeah the first wave of feminism the men weren't deciding anything women were throwing

02:24:08.820 themselves under horses at races horse races they were putting they were putting bombs and mail

02:24:16.260 they were putting bombs in mailboxes just look at england look up there's a film there's a film

02:24:23.140 about it carrie mulligan but that was how they got the right to vote in england in the uk word

02:24:29.380 they don't have guns okay no i'm just saying that's i'm just i'm just stating factual information

02:24:34.260 all i was gonna say is i feel like the pitfalls is like we're all like fighting invisible arguments

02:24:38.260 not everything should be like entirely gendered like that like sure there's pitfalls of society

02:24:42.260 men aren't to give credit for for everything um and i don't think we're any of us are saying

02:24:46.420 that men are to give credit for for everything like take your washing machine and your lights

02:24:51.140 and your fridge so like you're saying that that's all part of it the convenience that also helped

02:24:55.780 that gave women more time because of before that women were having to do all of it physically yeah

02:25:00.980 easier at home so that more time thanks to like uh technology that also was part of it you know it's

02:25:07.780 all part of it you know it's all integrated into one thing it doesn't matter no and then we still

02:25:13.140 had to take our shoes off when we got here sexism is still alive and well on youtube it's true

02:25:17.060 that's not what i'm saying so i guess can you can you explain a little better though i was asking you

02:25:26.180 so you're saying that in the grandma's generation great grandma's beyond like going further back

02:25:33.380 beyond that yeah what what was the i guess differential choice like women had more choice

02:25:40.660 women did not have as much of a legal personhood as they do now women had less legal economic social

02:25:50.260 personhood now they have more autonomy that's it it's legal and it's uh also economic it's mainly

02:25:59.700 economic actually yeah equal opportunities okay but so i i mean there's a whole bunch of angles to

02:26:04.980 approach this from um so yeah i guess there's more choice now i'm not sure if these choices have

02:26:11.860 led women to make decisions that make them more or less happy um well i don't know maybe people here

02:26:17.540 want to go back and live in whatever time but i think everyone's happy living now right i mean no one

02:26:24.900 here's trying to go back to 19 whatever i mean there does seem to be some dispute over this i mean this idea

02:26:31.460 though um i mean this idea that women are going to find ultimate fulfillment in a career versus

02:26:38.900 having a family and children and we can see this with the declining i don't agree with that i don't

02:26:44.580 agree that there's ultimate fulfillment in just a career i do i think it's you think it's just a career

02:26:50.900 yeah i think i think everything is uh the same as it is for men men are fulfilled by a family and a

02:26:56.340 career so are women well do you do you think that men and women are exactly the same no i don't i just

02:27:03.460 think that we're all to put the burden of only family on women is uh i'm saying unfair because

02:27:13.940 women are also human beings who want to do things sometimes only fams besides that like fams like

02:27:21.460 families only fams yeah only fams no i'm not precluding i'm not saying only one thing is okay

02:27:28.100 i'm saying there's more options you can do more things but what do you think more work what do you

02:27:34.740 think is uh what would be the from your perspective the best way to arrange society and families

02:27:42.100 i mean the way they're now is the way they've been i don't know i just i don't think there needs

02:27:52.340 to be a retraction i'm saying as it is now women can decide what they want to do is fine i'm not

02:27:58.340 saying let me ask you this yeah do you think it's the case that it's better for children that the the

02:28:04.500 mothers are doing the bulk or exclusive and just to be clear i'll clarify the exclusive caretaking of

02:28:10.740 the children as opposed to the woman goes to work so that she can pay for daycare or a babysitter or

02:28:18.900 child care what do you think it's better for the children that the mother's doing that instead of

02:28:25.380 some stranger that's getting paid twenty dollars an hour or less i mean i think it's a very case by

02:28:30.900 case thing right okay everyone raises their kids different sure but who do you think is going to take

02:28:35.060 better care of children well i can give my example you want me to give my example i don't know other

02:28:41.620 people's life story anecdotally maybe your mom are you my mom did not do a good job or what no i was

02:28:47.700 going to say my parents equally raised me they were both involved equally and they both worked equally

02:28:53.380 and i didn't have a nanny okay but so people arrange things differently right but yeah there is going to

02:29:01.220 be okay so just to be clear your mom and dad they both worked full-time yeah both my mom worked the

02:29:07.540 night shift and my dad worked the day shift and they both had the same job respiratory therapist at

02:29:12.180 the hospital and my dad died and now my mom is still earning a living because she went into the

02:29:17.140 same profession as okay so that might work for some people so i'm saying it's case by case it's not

02:29:21.540 like people arrange their lives differently sure and there can be all kinds of arrangements but you will

02:29:26.900 acknowledge i assume you can and will acknowledge that a lot of women if they're both people are in

02:29:33.140 the workforce they're going to pass on their their kids to child care daycare or something like this

02:29:41.540 yes they do that okay do you think that that's optimal no it depends on what daycare they go to

02:29:48.980 there's good daycares and bad daycares i don't think it's ever typically a good thing like if there's

02:29:54.100 the option for the mother to be taking care of the kids versus passing it off to some day daycare

02:29:59.220 i think it's always better for the mother to be well women make decisions sometimes to not go to

02:30:04.820 work during the period when they really have to be there like from the early years but then they go

02:30:10.260 back you're saying like one thing precludes the other that a woman needs to stop working entirely to

02:30:17.060 raise children that's not the case well it's not the case you came with or your parents excuse me

02:30:23.140 they were able to come to some sort of arrangement that you didn't have to go to child support but

02:30:27.620 that's obviously not the case for all family dynamics and so i'm just asking simply like

02:30:34.260 and i i would actually think that your dynamic that you have is perhaps uncommon i think when situations

02:30:40.740 where both parents have to work there's probably going to be like some third party involved in raising

02:30:45.940 the children which i think is less ideal than if it was just the mother i mean i noticed that the

02:30:51.700 women who had the most child care had the most free time because i went to school with wealthier

02:30:56.980 people okay well and mothers liked having nannies because they could afford them do you prioritize

02:31:01.380 free time or do you prioritize time spent raising your children and taking care of your children i'm

02:31:07.460 saying they're not mutually exclusive you can do both you can go to work and raise kids

02:31:12.580 okay but so while you're at work who's taking care of the kids i'm saying you can make the decision

02:31:18.340 to leave work while the kids need you to be there full time and then once they're at a point where

02:31:23.940 you can have a different arrangement you can go back to work you don't have to be at home your

02:31:28.020 entire life because you had a kid okay but am i just am i just making this up are you there's not

02:31:33.540 like a child care industry like it's you're saying it's there was always unusual like it's really

02:31:40.180 unusual for there to be daycares and babysitters and child care and nanny there's a lot of this

02:31:46.420 going on and so like i don't know how big the industry is in previous societies what replaced daycare

02:31:53.060 was that it was more of a community thing you had a family a familial you had a grandma raising the

02:31:58.980 kid you had an aunt you had a this you had a that or you had now you have daycare taking care of the

02:32:03.700 child but that was a very specific set that wasn't universal even going back through the ages there

02:32:09.940 were different things that were happening people were raising kids different ways it wasn't always

02:32:14.580 exclusively one homemaker uh yeah sure it wasn't exclusive but that was more so the case than it is

02:32:23.540 the case now it's an idea from the 50s that women are the homemaker and that's it then there's

02:32:28.900 no one else involved but if you look at societies anywhere you can notice there's a communal child

02:32:33.860 raising thing which societies are you referencing i don't know pick any of them but it's not just from

02:32:39.780 the you're making the claim you tell me which societies even in america you go back and you look

02:32:47.460 that there was more of a family thing extended family extended families helped raise kids yeah i'm

02:32:53.860 okay with grandmas like taking care of the kids okay but that's what happens yeah okay sure but

02:32:58.500 like are all instances where the mom goes to work is it always an immediate family member who's picking

02:33:04.660 up the slack the burden of child care has never exclusively been laid on the back of one woman

02:33:10.180 because that's impossible women have always had help women have always had help okay sure they've had

02:33:15.380 help but there would not be a child care industry if it wasn't the case that women were going to work

02:33:21.220 some and again it's out of necessity they need to make money because of the current economic status

02:33:26.340 of things but this child care industry would not exist so you're trying to point to where there's all

02:33:31.460 these other dynamics industry is just a supplement to people who can't have a familiar or familial or

02:33:39.300 community system of support so they need to pay for it so let me ask like a woman who

02:33:43.700 let's say the first five years of a child's life and then you have a woman who has a nine to five

02:33:51.220 job what is she like from the hours of nine to five where's that child going to be like i said like

02:33:59.300 i said from the ages of one to five there's women who make the decision to stay home and raise kids but

02:34:04.660 then when the kid is old enough to be in school they generally tend to go back to work maternity leave

02:34:09.620 from work no i'm saying there's it's five years you think the typical maternity leave is five years

02:34:14.180 i'm saying i know women who the mom stopped working right they took leave not i'm not talking maternity

02:34:21.380 leave i'm just talking they decided to stop working for a period of time when the kid was still growing

02:34:26.340 up and then they went back to work later it's not like a lifetime commitment to being at home

02:34:31.860 that's all i'm saying um i mean i don't know you kind of have like women sort of living i don't know

02:34:41.060 what you think the lifetime of women looks like just sitting at home they raise their kid the kids

02:34:45.620 at school they just sit at home when the kids at school women do things they might be i'm looking

02:34:49.620 at them they're taking care of the house they're not but i'm saying that once your mom you're like

02:34:54.500 two hours though only that i think a little thing following you around when you reference uh prior

02:35:00.100 times yes there was a lot of community but ultimately you're you're saying what uh you're

02:35:07.460 yeah you're saying basically the same the same thing that that we're trying to or that i think i

02:35:11.460 would promote is that there was grandmas there was aunts there were right there were maternal figures so

02:35:17.220 even if it's not mom you still have the maternal figure taking care and raising the children right

02:35:22.740 and i grew up at going to daycare right that's all i know yeah so to me no big deal right but i think

02:35:28.500 um in the last few years as i've uh you know come into new information and learn more i see that

02:35:34.500 this again order exists for a purpose and i think that um the optimal idea is for mothers to raise

02:35:41.300 their children i'm not arguing against mothers raising their children i know you're not i'm saying

02:35:45.620 women don't have to sit at home their entire life because they have a kid then that's never been the

02:35:50.100 case either women always worked no but it does alter what you're like capable of doing you can't

02:35:54.660 just up and go to germany you can't just like there's all these other responsibilities hey chat

02:35:59.300 really quick has the stream quality been okay because somebody sent me a message telling me the

02:36:04.180 stream quality has not been the best i think looking at our rn the bit rate for the stream is much lower

02:36:12.580 than usual we might have had some sort of internet issue uh chat can you weigh in though is the stream

02:36:20.580 quality okay has it been okay maybe it's fine um but uh i'm opening up the chat but uh the floor is

02:36:29.300 yours let me know chat if the stream quality is okay there's there might not actually be

02:36:35.940 it's not great it's fine it's fine it's been good good to me fine for me grainy been bad the whole time

02:36:45.460 time it's bad um oh shit that sucks okay yeah um i'm not sure why we updated obs before the show

02:36:58.260 that could have been why the obs update has been terrible yeah maybe the bit rate nick can you hit

02:37:03.780 the settings really quick we're not i don't think we're going to be able to change it but yeah uh can

02:37:09.140 you go to output oh fuck oh shit wait we might be able to change it hold on uh okay you guys

02:37:20.100 continue talking i'm just gonna try to troubleshoot this really quick did the obs update was so it was

02:37:26.420 so bad i went back to stream labs i was like like effort broke the stream what you said you do some sort

02:37:33.380 of streaming yeah what do you do uh i just started streaming on twitch not that long ago i was doing like

02:37:37.300 irl streams on youtube i do like commentary videos too but twitch we came i've been doing like debate

02:37:43.140 stuff um grid one of the the big donators really yeah he's um he does like debates on youtube so he

02:37:49.780 was the one that suggested this so do you you do debates uh-huh i just started what do you debate

02:37:56.180 what top what topics uh modern relationships we did we did one um it just depends like we did one on

02:38:03.780 oh sex work whether it's like real work did you have you comment commentator huh you said you're

02:38:14.260 a commentator your comment on oh yeah i've done like some commentary videos yeah that's why i started

02:38:17.940 on youtube with just like stuff and things like nostalgia boring stuff what do you guys do

02:38:23.060 something do you well are you i'm curious are you making money off of it are you is that what you

02:38:26.980 sought to do yeah yeah it's not what i sought out to do i i'm like i like making videos it's not

02:38:30.980 like my full-time hustle or nothing but i really enjoy making them they're a lot of fun and then

02:38:35.060 twitch has been really cool like community building like i feel like there's a lot of

02:38:39.620 collaboration stuff it's pretty cool how do you meet people on twitch um just like if doing debate

02:38:46.020 panels with them or like i've done stupid little dating shows and stuff so it's kind of cool too

02:38:50.020 because it encourages you to like co-stream with other people because you'll be sharing like your

02:38:53.700 draft and stuff oh sorry apologies i always forget but uh what's your guys's uh biggest regret go

02:39:03.780 it's them what did you say nothing you've been coming on the show yeah you read my lips

02:39:08.740 through forget you say that i'm kidding i'm like on a genuine note and this is coming from someone who

02:39:16.100 got my ass like handed to me on probably three or four debates like when i started sometimes a

02:39:20.660 concession goes a far way and if you're just like okay maybe i was wrong on this part i understand

02:39:25.300 your perspective on this it'll like help move the conversation along you know uh oh we were gonna do

02:39:32.180 the react to that thing if you can pull it up chat it should be a little better guys uh the obs update

02:39:38.420 screwed me up i apologize if the quality has been poor for the past been live for like two and a half

02:39:42.820 hours sorry about that guys that was my bad updated obs seems to have fixed one problem and then

02:39:49.140 w caused uh another one uh you got it nick all right make a little actually that's good so

02:39:58.020 i'm unsure if i should tell my boyfriend this information i've recently gone actually we need

02:40:01.780 the girl to read it because it's in a girl voice why don't you read it i've recently gone official with

02:40:06.100 a man i've been dating for a couple of months he's kind respectful and considerate i really think he

02:40:10.820 could be the one but something's eating at me i wanted to build slowly with this man so we didn't

02:40:16.340 become intimate until after going exclusive but between the first date and that point i did see

02:40:20.660 an old friends with benefits a couple times back then i didn't think anything of it as we weren't

02:40:25.700 exclusive but i underestimated how much he would care for my boyfriend and i almost feel like i cheated on

02:40:30.740 him have i done something wrong do i need to tell him will and will he end things with me update there

02:40:37.540 there was mixed reactions here but my gut told me i should tell my boyfriend so intuitive girl he said

02:40:43.300 sorry i don't want to be in a relationship with someone that does that and then blocked me on

02:40:46.820 everything w all right so i want to get the get the panel's reaction on that thoughts w she said they

02:40:57.220 were weren't exclusive before to him it was exclusive yeah that's fair fair game on her part i mean they

02:41:03.620 weren't technically you know i think she should have talked to him and figured out where they were

02:41:10.340 together instead of just making the decision just uh based on what she felt but that's just me it

02:41:16.820 might have been forgivable too if she had just told him when she got when they made it official

02:41:20.020 i've been like just so you know i've been looking around but i think there's a component here where

02:41:25.940 let me just pull it up so i have it for reference she wanted to be official it looked like it was

02:41:30.740 gonna be exclusive yes so she said kind of in relation to the conversation we were having a bit earlier

02:41:36.180 her she said well i see long-term potential with this guy so i want to you know she wanted to build

02:41:43.060 slowly with this guy so she wanted to wait to have sex with him all the while during this period of

02:41:51.300 time she was fucking another dude she's on their own well there's some merit to that because friends

02:41:56.020 with benefits you already caught that body you don't got to add a new name to the list you know so it's

02:42:00.420 like i still you're adding you're collecting a new pokemon or you're like you have your same old one

02:42:04.660 you know wasn't she cared about the guy so she decided not to yeah you're making the statement

02:42:10.340 like yeah i thought you know maybe we were going to be exclusive and i cared about you but i still

02:42:14.500 fuck somebody else anyway yeah so clearly it wasn't that important yeah she wasn't all i mean if i'm

02:42:19.860 seeing someone in that capacity i'm not going to be and you know when there's a potential of something

02:42:24.500 so yeah i just don't talk to nobody yeah do you have thoughts on this uh yeah i just zoned out

02:42:31.060 um no i it's it was wrong on her part to entertain anything with anyone else when she's not sleeping

02:42:38.580 with a dude that she wants to be with right so this is going back to uh to julie your notes here

02:42:45.620 because you're saying well i'm not sleeping with somebody as quickly as you expect blah blah

02:42:50.900 um i guess my issue with it is like i don't know y'all will tell a guy you're not that type of

02:42:59.060 girl i'm not saying you specifically julie i'm just saying this is a phenomenon that men will

02:43:03.540 encounter when it comes to dating women will be like oh well i really like you and i kind of want

02:43:09.700 to wait you know i see potential and you'll make the guy who's worthy of a relationship wait to have sex

02:43:18.100 but you'll fuck the guy who's not quickly that's confusing it's like wouldn't you reward

02:43:26.900 reward reward the guy who's relationship material with sex but the guy who's just a jerk asshole

02:43:35.700 fuck boy whatever it is not relationship material you just let him hit right away it shouldn't be

02:43:41.860 the opposite like he shouldn't be able to hit have sex with you and the guy who's worthy of the

02:43:47.220 relationship should like in a perfect world you're 100 right yeah but it's very simple scarcity

02:43:52.900 marketing okay listen this is the same reason i got locked in the the polycule okay okay i'm like

02:43:59.380 you would never consider that but then when it's like there's less of them on the market oh damn

02:44:03.380 this guy has so many options versus if someone's simping over you slash pursuing a relationship

02:44:09.060 being like a good man um there's like something probably psycho like psychological where you're like

02:44:14.260 oh this fuck boy is like a limited resource i get my hands on this stunk at the ground floor you know

02:44:18.900 maybe when his band takes off he'll remember that we hooked up that one time

02:44:25.700 this is for you julie though any any thoughts on this

02:44:31.300 i'm only going to date one person

02:44:33.460 well yeah but but you were saying i guess it was stemming from our con i know that's a little

02:44:39.140 different of a circumstance but there is this this component of you know women who have slept with

02:44:47.220 guys quickly previously but now your standard changes for the guy who you're like oh i really

02:44:53.940 want a relationship with you and you're so great you get to wait three months but then you done slept

02:44:59.460 with other dudes super fast and so as a guy looking looking at that it's kind of like i'm and i'm not

02:45:06.580 saying that's the case with you it could be the case that that's always been a woman's standard

02:45:11.140 and look as a woman you could have fucked a thousand dudes within 30 minutes of meeting them

02:45:18.100 and then literally a day later like the day before you fucked a guy immediately and then the day later

02:45:24.420 you can say i'm waiting until marriage you can do that from the guy's perspective that's

02:45:32.180 fucking bullshit that's bullshit i mean hey it's your call it's your call um but that's kind of a

02:45:40.900 raw deal for the guy but that's kind of crazy though so if you like if you robbed a mcdonald's

02:45:47.300 once and you got away with it you're like well now i'm just a person who does that now every time you

02:45:51.140 get fast food would you you know what i'm saying so if you did something that you regret okay like

02:45:55.060 that was a horrible metaphor if you do something you regret okay never mind i'm gonna pass the mic on that

02:45:59.460 one sorry i couldn't finish it also it's just i don't know i can see the whole waiting there's

02:46:06.660 another component here where it's if both people are young you know they're like in their early 20s

02:46:11.940 or like 18 19 20 and maybe they're a virgin or they've had sex just once or twice in a relationship

02:46:19.860 i can kind of see like this like oh i want to wait a really long time but like i'm 36 like i'm

02:46:26.820 probably going to be dealing with you know women who've it's not their first time having sex it's

02:46:33.060 like okay oh you want to wait three months okay well i ask a question sure do you want women to be

02:46:39.780 sexually available all the time or sexually unavailable all the time happy medium because

02:46:45.700 men seem to not know which one it is do you want women to always relent to sex or if they do relent to

02:46:52.260 sex are they then disgusting well i'll tell you i'll tell you my framework you wouldn't expect

02:46:56.820 someone to wait so i'll tell you my framework i think both men and women should be pursuing

02:47:02.100 long-term serious relationships okay i think you should only be sleeping with people where there's

02:47:06.820 there's an intention of having something long-term that might not always work out yeah maybe it

02:47:12.180 doesn't work out but that should at least be the intention if you're in fucking uh i don't know

02:47:16.980 i'm trying to think of a i don't know you're in spring break miami and there's some dude who lives

02:47:25.780 on the opposite side of the country you're both in a different you're on vacation uh the long-term

02:47:31.380 potential there is really really really low probably shouldn't just fuck him for the fun of it um so that's

02:47:38.020 my perspective uh so i think that women shouldn't just be fucking a bunch of dudes neither should

02:47:46.980 men okay but my at least my perspective i also don't really believe in waiting long extended periods

02:47:54.020 of time but and maybe that look perhaps i'm an outlier and i think maybe women will move in certain

02:47:59.940 ways because they've been screwed over by guys whatever and vice versa but my intention if if i'm sleeping

02:48:06.100 with a girl is for there to be continuity because i'm not interested in the one-time thing that

02:48:11.220 doesn't interest me you're an exceptional man because a lot of men that's not the that's not

02:48:17.220 the metric a lot more men they're out there you just say you're trying to do right like if you say

02:48:22.900 that you want to wait and you're waiting if you say that you don't care then you don't care but to

02:48:26.340 say that you want to wait and then do the opposite i mean that's not consistent so i i want i

02:48:31.300 want a woman who's sexually available for me okay but i i think that's fine but do you so the woman

02:48:39.620 who's sexually available do you want to be serious with her or is she just there to be sexually

02:48:45.220 available that's just what he said he's serious oh okay so that's unique because most men just want

02:48:49.700 the sexual availability and not the relationship i don't think that's i don't think that's true i think

02:48:53.940 men not most okay i'm generalizing there's a lot of great men out there and i think i see i see so

02:48:58.740 much it's a common it is a common occurrence though it's i'm not making it up actually like

02:49:03.940 really lonely yeah well there's there's the loneliness and i think there's yeah but i i think

02:49:12.020 men and women are different in the sense that like i need to be in quote unquote well not quote unquote

02:49:19.460 just in love or or very much so in that direction before i am actually able to give myself to someone

02:49:27.380 right i don't think a man needs to a man doesn't generally need to be operating in that way so

02:49:33.780 well i don't think women necessarily are operating well i can only speak for myself you're right because

02:49:39.060 i mean the various panels that have been on here like has that been the case for like all the men

02:49:44.340 you've been no not all the men i mean i can i can but so right it's your standard now well no no

02:49:48.580 yeah i can entertain i can go back to when um when i met my husband um i had dated a couple people

02:49:54.580 before that and i realized well if i do engage in sex with them nothing happens that it's over

02:50:05.780 so so in fact and it wasn't virtue signaling it was like hey i want this relationship to work

02:50:12.980 the last time or two that i was with someone and i slept with them earlier it didn't work so i'm

02:50:19.700 going to wait this time and i did and that resulted in a marriage now granted that's just one example but

02:50:26.900 fast forwarding to now uh i was heavily into scripture and things like that for for the last

02:50:31.860 few years and um and i just began began to look at everything different differently so but but

02:50:39.220 ultimately like i i need to be in love i i i'm sorry three three dates that ain't happening unless we're

02:50:47.220 talking every day um so on and so forth and our dates are spread you know good far and few apart

02:50:53.700 i i just can't do that so i don't think we should get a bad rap for for that i think i think where

02:50:59.620 i'm coming from is very genuine i don't think it's community it's just a hard sell as a guy to hear

02:51:04.420 okay a woman's had like multiple one night stands and then oh but so it's like you're you don't have

02:51:12.180 ever had a one night stand so but okay have you had sex with a guy who you did end up in a long-term

02:51:18.420 relationship relatively quickly like for a second third date i've only had two long-term relationships

02:51:24.740 minus my high school boyfriend and so you've had sex with two guys three guys or no i mean i'm sorry

02:51:32.900 you you said long-term relationship so sex that resulted in a long-term relationship

02:51:37.140 um that was twice okay wait you've only had two long-term relationships i got myself all

02:51:44.580 wait hold on hold up here no i'm not contradicting myself i'm maybe i misunderstood your question

02:51:50.820 okay because then yeah i guess it's just it's a hard sell for a guy to be like all right you know

02:51:56.260 but three dates like hey that that's generous on the guy's part three days i know i've heard you

02:52:01.220 say one at one and two people yeah first date i'm fine with it i know he said but i don't think

02:52:05.140 most men are are gonna going to sleep with a woman on the first date and be like and call you back

02:52:09.460 the next day and say hey baby when are we going out that i don't think i think you're an outlier

02:52:13.140 in that regard so situational it is you'd be fine with um i wouldn't okay i wouldn't hold it against

02:52:20.020 the girl if i've i've gone to know her i'm like okay there's long-term potential here whether we sleep

02:52:27.380 together on the first second or third date i'm not gonna necessarily

02:52:33.380 like for example you would agree it's logically possible a woman who's a virgin could sleep with you

02:52:38.740 immediately like it's possible that that could happen and in fact i think a lot of women not all

02:52:44.820 women but a lot of women have lost their virginity not in the confines of some long-term

02:52:50.500 relationship where you waited years but it was a lot of women had like a casual hookup lost their

02:52:57.380 virginity they're not all women but so it is possible that a woman who does sleep with you

02:53:02.500 quickly isn't necessarily a hoe she ain't necessarily a strumpet but she very well might be

02:53:10.500 she could be but you could just ask her okay what's your body count boom i feel like we have

02:53:15.860 like so many generalizations based on personal experience you know what i mean is she my first

02:53:20.020 time i never do this is she lesser than for having had sex with you like she's now in your estimation

02:53:25.700 not as pure that she's had sex with you he just said not necessarily not necessarily but sometimes

02:53:32.420 if she slept with uh well here would here would be the only dimension if if she's in recent hit

02:53:39.460 well hold on let me see how i want to frame this if she's done that with other men a lot other men

02:53:49.300 have the same expectation as you they want sex but so i guess it there there's not necessarily from

02:53:56.740 my perspective there's not i'm not going to necessarily uh judge her okay in a negative light

02:54:04.340 because she's chosen to have sex with me quickly but if she's she just fucked another dude last week

02:54:09.780 okay then i'm gonna be looking i'm gonna be doing an analysis of her other form like her promiscuity as

02:54:15.860 it relates to other men patterns of behavior does your promiscuity make you a hoe he just wait he's a

02:54:23.460 virgin i'm a virgin yeah i keep forgetting you're a virgin how much time how how can you so someone you're

02:54:31.220 dating or just beginning to date how much time do you spend uh or invest talking to them um

02:54:37.540 before the first date and in between two and the second and third date do you talk a lot

02:54:44.260 are you i guess it it depends i don't want to it depends on the context of how we're meeting like for

02:54:51.540 example if um i i because i almost want to give like the normal guy answer to this but for example i've

02:55:00.740 had a lot of dating experiences where you know women have seen my show and they're re they've

02:55:06.340 reached out to me rupees i wouldn't call them groupies but if you want to call them groupies

02:55:12.020 or whatever so i've had that experience where they're coming to me so that's not the normal

02:55:16.980 guy experience though so i i don't know if i want to give my specific anecdotal perspective on it

02:55:22.820 that does not apply to most men do you think other men who've had promiscuous sex lives are hoes

02:55:30.660 well hold on your friends right you're like your friends your male friends who've had a lot of sex

02:55:36.340 are they degenerates like are they lessened by the sex that they've had i don't want to date them so

02:55:42.340 i'm not viewing them from no but i'm saying from a moral perspective not from a do you want to date

02:55:47.140 them i'm saying like do you see them as lesser than for having had a lot of sex i would say that

02:55:53.860 there are differences between men and women on this specific topic i'm not in favor of promiscuity

02:55:58.740 in men or women okay but i do think there are some differences yeah okay just wear condoms i'm like

02:56:06.420 everyone that is like haters like promiscuity i'm like just rubber i'm actually i'm allergic to condoms

02:56:13.140 i'd rather just not have sex oh how are you allergic to condoms but you don't have the

02:56:22.900 poor kid no i'm just kidding you're an incel yeah like men i think uh to your thing though men aren't

02:56:30.740 as penalized penal by by women oh okay good well done you gotta be careful um hold on let's

02:56:40.420 let's did it break or is it intact okay all right we're good um okay maybe can you scoot your chair

02:56:48.980 in so people aren't hitting the thing um sorry there's not much i forgot what i was saying sorry

02:56:55.300 we got a little distracted there so men are different how men are different with promiscuity

02:57:00.260 than women uh yes men are different i agree yeah we are hold on there was a chat that i needed to get to

02:57:06.980 uh one sec oh this is from master monkey man 34 women have no capacity to govern themselves they

02:57:15.700 require the good governance of men female philosopher banzow okay the woman who is pro cutting boys

02:57:23.140 clearly has no man governing her sad really jewish that's why i'm pro oh okay that's my answer to why

02:57:35.380 i'm defending circumcision oh you should have made that clear why okay well i didn't want it to be

02:57:40.740 the first thing people were thinking about well yeah but your justification for the defense your

02:57:45.380 basis for the defense is your religious conviction i just don't see how it's again i already said my

02:57:52.980 piece on that issue you don't you don't see how it's what be relation barbaric towards men as they

02:57:59.140 spend their entire lives having not even known they were circumcised unless someone told them

02:58:03.140 what wait you don't think oh they know it's very traumatic i'm saying if no one if no if they were

02:58:11.060 not aware socially of what circumcision was there would have been no mental or physical impairments

02:58:17.780 for men having been circumcised they don't even it doesn't it's not a it's not a oh my god okay men

02:58:25.620 who've been circumcised they suffer their entire life and die in misery because they had their foreskin

02:58:30.820 removed i'm sorry wait so you think that um because you don't view this specific issue

02:58:38.020 as uh it doesn't reach a certain threshold of male suffering that it's not i mean it's insane you're

02:58:45.220 saying every jewish man is in hell i guess i don't know i don't know what you guys are arguing

02:58:52.100 no i'm saying like as someone raised in a community as being around jewish men i didn't

02:58:57.140 notice that any of them were like mourning every day their foreskin they woke up every

02:59:02.180 morning and said god i wish i had my force right but i mean if it wasn't mutilation though they

02:59:08.660 they'd be able to do it at any any stage it's mutilation because they have to have it like

02:59:13.540 pretty much done as a baby so they don't remember it's more painful when you're aware of it when

02:59:19.700 you're already grown when you're 13 you have a choice though how do we not know it's just as

02:59:24.340 painful for the baby it's just not as painful because they don't talk i mean the baby everything

02:59:28.900 is painful i mean the entire birth is agony for everybody involved uh so i you know i'm just since

02:59:36.900 i i'll just read something here so there's a study um infant circumcision may lead to social challenges

02:59:44.660 as an adult undergoing circumcision as an infant has delayed psychological complications this is

02:59:50.740 shown by an international study led by research researchers from arhus university i don't know if

02:59:57.060 i'm pronouncing that right uh they've long disagreed about the health implications also for mental health

03:00:02.740 of small boys being circumcised a study now shows that infant circumcision which is the case for a third

03:00:08.260 of the world's male population has consequences in adulthood uh let's see uh we wanted to challenge

03:00:16.420 the assumption that there are no delayed consequences of infant circumcision apart from the purely physical

03:00:21.940 because of the absence of foreskin uh so they they documented something about emotional stability

03:00:28.340 uh stressed stressed infant uh according to the researcher the study links the state of stress that

03:00:34.660 infant circumcision triggers an infant with the altered behavior which is first revealed as an

03:00:39.540 adult our findings are especially interesting for coming parents who want to make an informed choice

03:00:44.660 about circumcision on behalf of their child but are also directed at anyone who wishes okay blah blah

03:00:49.940 that's not important um let's see the study showed that men who had undergone circumcision as an infant

03:00:57.060 found it more difficult to bond with their partner and were more emotionally unstable while the study did not

03:01:02.580 find differences in empathy or trust infant circumcision was also associated with stronger sexual drive

03:01:08.660 as well as a lower stress threshold oh i mean you can just i mean that's what the study seems to

03:01:18.820 indicate you also realize that there are some uh okay the jewish community is very deeply troubled i apologize

03:01:26.180 that's not hold on no i'm saying the men actually be good faith and not strong in my position at

03:01:31.380 no i just it's i'm i'm basing this on lived experience right i don't live my life and see

03:01:38.820 men suffering from being circumcised can you acknowledge yeah that look here's what i can

03:01:43.780 do i'll be good faith okay there are people who get circumcised that move through life without any

03:01:48.980 issues or complications with circumcision yes can you acknowledge that there are people who do get

03:01:53.380 circumcised who either let's just go with physical like for example the actual surgical procedure

03:01:59.860 can cause harm okay sure yes vaccines can cause harm everything that's done to a child when they come

03:02:07.620 out of the birth canal can cause it's like risk versus reward like he's saying like we understand

03:02:13.380 why it's okay there's a 50 50 chance that something won't happen but if there's nothing gonna happen

03:02:18.100 i think we're beating it dead yeah i don't even want it so i don't even really care men can do what

03:02:22.660 they want moving it on um we have lucas chair two and three be precise that's not what my prior post

03:02:28.900 stated it stated that a grown cohort of women not all women are behaving appallingly feminism and

03:02:35.940 sisterhood is running cover for this disgusting and entitled behavior without a morsel of accountability

03:02:41.940 leave that up for a sec nick you guys respond i'm sorry i didn't understand all your big words

03:02:47.060 what's up there be precise i i'm sorry you gotta break it down into small baby words yeah we don't

03:02:51.220 get it um i didn't go to college i still don't i i went and i don't get it either you know what a

03:02:58.580 cohort is right it started that a growing group of women no not all women are behaving appallingly

03:03:05.860 feminism is a sisterhood running what is this appalling behavior i'm wondering no it was he

03:03:10.260 was yeah he was referring to his earlier super chat where he was talking about because he was

03:03:15.300 saying the gripe with the podcast so i'm not okay is the appalling behavior having sex with men who

03:03:21.140 want sex with them is that what he's referring to as appalling no he's saying that you're he was

03:03:25.620 referring to his earlier super chat where he said that um like your gripe with the podcast is that it

03:03:30.660 shines a light on women basically behaving appallingly that's all it oh that oh that

03:03:39.380 that's your gripe with that let's be real it shines my gripe is that it shines an exclusive

03:03:44.580 light and it's not equal opportunity it's saying we are the sole source of every problem that exists

03:03:50.260 and not it's mutual i don't think anyone's saying that i think well the focus is on our appalling

03:03:55.620 behavior right not their appalling behavior no that's the shtick that's what you're doing that's

03:04:01.060 not like like it's i'm just saying equal opportunity appalling behavior right but i'm just i feel like

03:04:07.140 these are all like micro micro things that you're looking at when you're referring to these examples

03:04:10.740 so when you say like oh yeah well why are we only looking at our dating history not his well he's the

03:04:15.460 host well it's we're only picking on women that's the shtick of the podcast i'm like i'm gonna need

03:04:19.940 some broader like societal implications for me to like like buy into what you're saying not like

03:04:24.660 specific niche situations where it's like yeah of course my boss has more power than me like well

03:04:28.580 women are deemed to have less value for having by what metric by people the general opinion of

03:04:37.220 people who agree with him if anything isn't he giving like more women platforms than other people

03:04:42.580 like what he like it's yeah i know what i'm just saying like if we're gonna do devil's advocate you

03:04:47.540 know what i'm saying like i mean i don't know he he's got us here to show how terrible we all are

03:04:52.660 right no i'm not terrible no no it's not your case and to defend your no but isn't that what

03:04:58.420 he's arguing he's asking us what we've done and is it bad or not maybe for you but i don't feel that

03:05:03.540 way whatsoever if that's not what he's doing then i am again misinterpret what he's doing then we're

03:05:08.180 looking at the nuances i'm trying to wait sorry i saw i was gone but can you repeat the what you said

03:05:14.580 i guess we're back to no no no no no hold on let's go ahead again what am i trying to i don't know it

03:05:21.460 was about one of those questions yeah what am i trying to do point the focus being on the appalling

03:05:28.020 behavior of women entirely i'm saying there needs to be an equal focus on everyone's appalling we all

03:05:34.740 are wait wait wait hold on so you're you're saying there needs to be an equal focus on appalling

03:05:38.900 behavior yes i'm saying it's not exclusive to women okay so you must be an anti-feminist then

03:05:44.900 why is it that feminists only focus on the appalling behavior of men wow there's something really

03:05:50.660 objectionable then with the feminist movement because there's not a lot of criticisms that

03:05:54.900 feminists makes directed towards women and you only look at for example crime statistics as it relates to

03:06:00.900 men you want to i'm saying men and women have equal appalling behavior

03:06:05.140 but that's what i'm saying saying that and it's not even my actual position people yeah right but

03:06:12.500 you're like oh brian why do you do you're only focusing on women that's the entire genesis i'm

03:06:17.620 not blaming everything on men i'm just pointing out that the point of view wait wait wait do you

03:06:22.660 believe in the patriarchy i believe that there's disrespect towards women in the world to answer the

03:06:28.980 that's not answering the question do you believe in the patriarchy theory ah your answer this is

03:06:35.940 going to btfou you because you're going to it's going to point out your hypocrisy no

03:06:41.540 again i'm saying by trying to blame everything on women answer the question you don't care what i'm

03:06:47.140 saying then why are you asking me no hold on because you're you're trying to just answer the question

03:06:53.060 i'm trying to do you believe in the patriarchy or do you believe in the patriarchy theory yes

03:07:00.900 oh and explain what the patriarchy is it's a fundamental social consciousness that disrespects

03:07:10.100 women for doing the same things that men do for doing the same things men do okay that's a result

03:07:17.460 of the patriarchy what is the patriarchy it's a social consciousness it's what we it's what you

03:07:23.220 are your opinion is the social consciousness it's how we move around in the world and look at each

03:07:29.700 other patriarchy is those it's a lot of things it's legal it's cultural it's artistic it's in every

03:07:37.780 it manifests in everything what is the patriarchy oh my god before it was structural and in some

03:07:45.700 countries it still is structural again not in this one i'm not asking whether it's structural or

03:07:50.340 not structural what is the patriarchy in this country specifically sure in which country are

03:07:57.700 we talking let's say the united states all right in this country it's cultural because it's no more

03:08:03.220 it's not necessarily legal anymore it used to be legal it used to be enshrined in law hold on

03:08:08.820 you're literally not answering the question i'm not asking if it's legal or illegal or whatever

03:08:13.060 what is the patriarchy i'm looking for a definition i'm looking for a descriptor of what it is

03:08:19.300 like i think i've said it it's this awareness of women as being denigrated by doing the same

03:08:24.820 things men are doing hold on aren't you like a feminist academic why can't you answer the

03:08:28.820 question i'm not an academic i'm just a student you're a phd student okay i'm a student you're

03:08:33.620 not an academic i'm not i haven't published the you're literally an academic you're working on

03:08:38.420 your dissertation for your okay but i haven't published it yet i'm not an academic well you

03:08:42.260 yes you are i'm a research student yeah okay am i misusing the term academic is someone who's been

03:08:47.780 published and is like well known i'm not that it's just like a discrepancy right in society right like

03:08:53.220 feminism like let's start with that definition it's like it's the def it the discrepancy of it's

03:08:57.700 the point of view that women are lesser than for behaving in equally human ways as men we're seen as

03:09:04.020 lesser than them for behaving equally as human as they are and you're saying because we're held

03:09:08.580 to a different standard like he said he has a different standard that's what i'm talking about

03:09:12.340 it's the different standard okay but what is the patriarchy that's what i want to say i just said

03:09:18.420 she did give it up it's the different standard that women are held to in this country specifically

03:09:23.460 a different standard yes when it comes to our behavior because if we behave as equally human as men

03:09:28.980 if we have things that we're we behave badly everyone behaves badly to point it only as women

03:09:37.860 are badly behaved so they're bad okay but under but hold on so the patriarchy let me just make

03:09:45.700 sure i understand this so your criticism of me is that i disproportionately paint women as bad okay

03:09:52.340 i'm well isn't that the point of this when yeah okay what's the what is your evidence for the claim

03:10:00.740 if it's not again if it's not self-evident i don't know how to point it out people are bad and

03:10:04.660 you collect a group of people right it's just like why the crime demographic might be higher in like

03:10:09.300 a specific thing here let me you gather more women you're gonna have more bad women what have

03:10:13.060 i what have i said like if you have more women oh my god you want women to be sexually available

03:10:18.500 and when they are they become lesser than for being sexually available it's a it's a it's a it's a

03:10:25.620 it's a double thing it's like what do you actually want oh my god bro what words have i said that have

03:10:31.460 led you to that conclusion you said you want women to be sexually available to you right yes okay are you

03:10:37.620 the only man on earth do other men not want the same thing as you do he said to him in a relationship

03:10:42.740 yeah i acknowledge that women fuck other men besides me congratulations and those men have your

03:10:47.460 similar point of view straight into the mic those men have a similar point of view as you most of

03:10:52.100 them share your the ones maybe who watch this they share your opinion okay so you think it's wrong

03:10:56.420 for men to to expect sex to want sex and then immediately once a woman gives you sex to see

03:11:03.620 her as somehow diminished hold on oh my god bro the straw manning is when was that not

03:11:08.580 it's not straw manning when did i literally you said there's a different standard you didn't

03:11:13.460 i literally did not say that i asked you the question do you think men are denigrated by the

03:11:19.140 sex they have you said there's two different that when men have sex you're pulling i'm just

03:11:25.220 referencing what you said no you're you're creating a complete straw man you're i mean check the check

03:11:33.060 go back in time okay repeat it again what did i say

03:11:36.260 i asked you if you thought women were lesser than after they've had sex with you

03:11:42.900 that they're less and what was my answer you said that if did i say yes did i answer in the

03:11:48.740 affirmative to your question there was more to that conversation right you said no you said it

03:11:54.660 matt it depends on you said no you said it depends on how many men they've had sex with right

03:12:00.100 right no no no your claim for him stop stop stop stop that's exactly what he said no but you said

03:12:05.780 that your whole claim was brian says after the woman sleeps with me that i view her as less than

03:12:12.660 never never said that whatsoever that's your whole argument no that's not you're putting words in my

03:12:18.420 mouth no you literally how am i putting words out because i'm trying to explain to you what you just

03:12:22.260 said it you just said brian you think women are less than after you said the words that there's a

03:12:28.980 different metric or standard by what men how men behave sexually and there's you said it's different

03:12:34.740 right you said if men have a lot of sex it's different than if women have a lot of sex he said

03:12:39.060 he's not trying to sleep with his friends so he's not gonna judge his friends i said promiscuity in men

03:12:43.460 and women okay is it's bad for both however there are differences okay so is that not what i've been

03:12:51.380 saying no that's not what you've been saying okay then i'm

03:12:56.980 again it's fine the book a notepad purple dress what

03:13:05.700 oh i'm sorry the book am i really talking i don't know what you're talking about nick

03:13:09.700 oh she brought a book sorry it's reading a book no i didn't notice wait wait wait hold on hold on

03:13:18.420 a book on the podcast sorry if it was a bear and win yeah get a big gun sorry

03:13:25.380 so you do that okay can you not bring stuff to the table please um sorry we've had past experiences

03:13:33.220 oh i'm sorry okay again it was like i don't want to make this too complicated i'm just saying there's a

03:13:39.140 fundamental social disrespect for women what what is the fundamental social disrespect of women

03:13:46.420 it's based on how we use our bodies if we use them in a way that's deemed inappropriate then we are bad

03:13:54.740 people it's very it's not that complicated do you have any uh preferences it relates to men

03:14:01.220 men not really i mean are you straight it's not a it's not a person specific thing i'm saying it's a

03:14:10.420 social general thing i'm not saying specific to me specific to me i uh would prefer if men were

03:14:17.700 faithful you know and not having sex with a lot of women women so so then you don't i'm a bit confused

03:14:24.500 though so if i don't want a woman who has slept with a bunch of men that's no you have the right

03:14:32.340 to have that opinion so i'm not saying you can't think that women hold on grid one wants to say

03:14:38.260 something grid one one wants to say something grid one motorsports donated two hundred dollars and one

03:14:46.020 cent i am the patriarchy and you know nothing of my work feminism has failed you you blame men for not

03:14:53.460 leading but you refuse to see reality the patriarchy has nothing to do with sex be better

03:15:01.380 be better thank you grid one w's in the chat for i said it was cultural and social

03:15:06.740 great what did you get me into i i don't know i'm just kind of confused i'm kind of confused by

03:15:11.300 some of your arguments here they're a little incoherent but okay we have pasty george chair two

03:15:17.700 this podcast focuses on modern women's current views opinions and beliefs especially regarding

03:15:23.380 dating and relationships your own words and statements reveal what you truly believe

03:15:36.580 wait was that directed to me chair two yeah i didn't i didn't wasn't paying attention i'm sorry

03:15:42.900 okay just checked out i checked out a little bit i'm i'm a little exhausted what is it okay

03:15:53.140 all right well i'll just move on then since uh oh we have some chats here hold on something about me

03:15:57.540 being mean at men right it's just weird like you're you're you think it's like some gotcha like oh brian

03:16:05.140 what's the purpose of the show you're trying to like paint women in some way literally your entire

03:16:10.180 movement which is fully mainstream and has seeped into all realms of society feminism is doing

03:16:16.260 exactly which you're attempting to cure me i have nothing against men okay i like men i wish they

03:16:24.580 were at the standard behaving that i wished and dreamed they would i kind of doubt this let's explore

03:16:29.460 this no i'm honest do you believe that there is a patriarchy okay do you think men are oppressors

03:16:36.100 yes oh my god in saudi arabia they are i don't know what you're asking me what country are we in

03:16:41.700 uh in the general sense of the this idea there are patriarchies currently in different places yes

03:16:47.540 illegal ones united states are men oppressors in the united states i don't think so generally like

03:16:53.700 i'm saying i'm saying it's more of a cultural thing it's not a legal or a economic thing because

03:16:58.900 women can work and women have rights and this and that culturally there's a patriarchy in the united

03:17:03.940 states yes if you look examine the culture there it exists there yeah okay and so women are women

03:17:11.220 oppressed under a cultural patriarchy i wouldn't say they're oppressed it's just not great to be

03:17:18.340 constantly seen as a object right it's not always oppression under the feminist world view to be seen as not

03:17:26.340 a subject but an object yeah sure that is okay so women are oppressed in the united states

03:17:30.260 you're twisting my words there no i'm asking you are women oppressed in the united states no not

03:17:36.420 legally or economically but culturally they are i wouldn't call it an oppression i would call it just

03:17:41.940 a leftover of a previous system okay so back when america was a patriarchy when women which was before

03:17:48.900 women got the right to vote right which was when women were property considered well not really but the

03:17:54.740 yes historically yes women were considered economically and socially property that's fine

03:18:00.420 and legally at a certain point i forgot the exact dates but you can check so there hasn't been a

03:18:04.500 patriarchy since 1920 when the that that was a very big moment yeah when women got the right to vote

03:18:11.060 that's one thing started to go a different direction so patriarchy ceased entirely after then or there've been

03:18:18.420 leftovers right there have been the things still reverberate from when it was a real system it's not

03:18:26.660 a real system any more reverberations it's not a real system right because it's not enshrined in the law

03:18:32.580 anymore okay but in some countries it is here it's not we beat the patriarchy okay so the we i mean feminism

03:18:40.100 again i don't know why everyone is against it because it allowed us to be doing whatever we're doing right

03:18:45.060 now but uh maybe we all want to be sitting and knitting i don't know i don't know what everyone's

03:18:52.500 goal in life is i just don't understand that i'm enough to identify with it if everyone's goal in

03:18:56.580 life is to be sitting at home and having their husband beat them because they can't make their

03:19:00.740 own money asking for that yeah because i'm not because i'm not a self-identified feminist it's women

03:19:05.380 who don't want economic independence they want to be at the mercy of their husband that's what you're

03:19:10.420 arguing for economically because they're not self-sufficient because they're not self-sufficient

03:19:16.180 no you're infantilizing us i think i think that that the term feminism has definitely changed over

03:19:22.020 the years right at one point it used to be real maybe yeah okay one point in time uh feminism

03:19:29.380 meant okay the right to vote and then that was done with and then it meant the right to have whatever

03:19:33.460 job you wanted i can tell you that's done with yeah so i guess it's like what is it yeah what more

03:19:38.660 would you like i'm saying it exists in much more real way in other places here i'm saying it's not

03:19:44.660 as much of a real thing it's more of just like uh like i get like i said a social a cultural idea

03:19:51.300 of feeling a vibe a vibe yeah it's a vibe it's a bad vibe it's bad vibes man generalize like women

03:20:00.020 that want like husbands to stay at home that they get beat that's like an extreme like extreme it's like

03:20:06.340 this reactionary thing right there's a reactionary movement now with men right they want to go back

03:20:11.380 well back to what who's well look i work in the trades right i work with men i work in a field with

03:20:17.220 men all day yeah equality is alive and well because it is yeah you could have whatever job you want

03:20:23.780 right yes in my job yes maybe right this happens a lot maybe a man looks at me and thinks they kind of

03:20:31.700 tossed me to the side at first right you're not going to take my opinion seriously you're not going to

03:20:35.300 think that my work is going to be of equal value of yours but as soon as i i do the job right my

03:20:40.900 work speaks for itself and then you're going to take me seriously but if a man automatically has

03:20:46.900 that feeling when they look at me to be honest that is a fair generalization okay most women are not

03:20:52.740 going to be able to compete to the capacity of a man so if you look at me and that's your first thought

03:20:57.220 i'm fine with that because that's a fair generalization i have to prove to you that my work is of

03:21:03.460 equal value and i'm okay with that too so here's my main argument just like people i don't want to

03:21:08.340 let men convince us we want to go back to when we didn't have a good like now we have it okay right

03:21:16.020 there's this movement to convince women that we're very unhappy with the way things are and we want to

03:21:21.700 go back to a previous era i don't think anybody needs to convince anybody of anything because you

03:21:26.820 have the right to pick whatever you want so you really don't need any convincing if you want to live

03:21:31.460 a life at home you can live a life at home i think when you take away the options any extreme

03:21:35.940 is no good right so when you take away options then yeah things start to change i mean but but

03:21:40.580 you have as many options as you want available so you know i feel like why are women more depressed

03:21:45.700 now i'm taking antidepressant everyone's more depressed now because things suck equally everywhere

03:21:51.220 i feel like the crux of why it feels like you might feel like we're like tagging against you

03:21:55.700 because we'll get to the like crux of why your argument doesn't work and instead of just being

03:22:00.180 like okay i can see on this you'll pivot the goal post instead of just like acknowledging that that

03:22:04.500 was like maybe not the right i'm just trying to point out that don't let men convince you we want

03:22:08.740 to go back to what was before right which is three arguments ago because it like just keeps moving

03:22:12.740 that's my only that's my only real point you're taking my option away to be barefoot and pregnant

03:22:18.340 no you have that right you can do whatever you want i'm just saying not all because i started

03:22:25.060 with i'm saying if all of us have to be barefoot and pregnant that's when the because of it i'm

03:22:29.380 just saying if all of us are forced to be barefoot and pregnant that'll be a problem nobody's forcing

03:22:35.140 but nobody asked for equality either whatever well i asked for equality speak for yourself she said

03:22:41.380 nobody asked for equality all right we have some chats here according to the center for reproductive

03:22:49.940 rights fgm is a human's rights violation there are laws prohibiting fgm i don't know of any such

03:22:56.020 protections for males you can add that as well as mandatory dna testing at birth to the list brian yes

03:23:03.060 it's added to the list added to the list thank you so much we're gonna do we're gonna get some sort

03:23:09.220 of men's rights organization going if anybody can help out whether it's through activism if you're

03:23:15.860 you can support it in some way like uh there's any attorneys for example willing to do some pro bono work

03:23:21.780 legal activism uh we'll we'll do it christopher scott oh no brian focuses on women's abhorrent behavior

03:23:28.100 but most of mainstream media expounds men as the problem oh no yeah

03:23:33.940 okay that wasn't addressed to anyone who is that addressed you're you guys speaking to the mic but

03:23:43.700 i think you're the only person that's claimed that his podcast is like perpetuating misogyny

03:23:47.540 so i'm saying he's waging psychological warfare to convince women we're unhappy and we want to go

03:23:53.300 back to the way things were psychic war what that's what i don't even hear really another goal post

03:24:01.780 actually i'm not even sure who the audience is for this maybe he's trying preaching to the choir he's

03:24:06.180 convincing men that things are bad and need to go back who when did he say go back i'm like i feel

03:24:11.700 like i don't even know what the hell you're doing like go back go back to the way things were before

03:24:16.740 legally and economically for women i think it sucks that women have jobs women can't really

03:24:21.300 make that argument though yeah women can't choose to be really at home and and just be a housewife

03:24:26.580 even if they really wanted to i think that does suck because you know yeah people need two incomes

03:24:31.860 now yes that sucks yeah then we should all go back to the way things were because people were happier

03:24:37.700 we all just had three times no one is saying that and then you say well i guess you're right i guess we

03:24:42.420 should do that i'm like everything is so what is the objective though what's the objective here to

03:24:47.220 convince no to respond to what we're actually saying is the objective right now

03:24:51.060 like what we're actually saying because every time we point it out it moves like we're doing

03:24:56.340 the same thing over and over i feel like no what is the objective of feminism

03:25:05.540 the right of women to be people equally as men and do women not have that they do

03:25:11.380 so what is thanks to them what is the ongoing purpose of feminism if that's the case again in

03:25:17.060 in cultures where women have already achieved a real equality it's just the remnants of trying

03:25:22.980 to fix more deeper bs conceptual stuff and in other places it's a real thing i'm saying there's plenty

03:25:30.740 of the world where it's a real thing still okay so such like of the things that they're still trying

03:25:36.020 to fix in the united states for example what would that be i guess they're just trying to have a

03:25:43.540 society where women are seen as not you know hose for the same behavior as men i don't know it's

03:25:51.780 again it's socially culturally women not to be seen as objects to be seen as subjects don't they make

03:25:59.060 themselves do you think do you think the draft should be equalized sure like in israel absolutely

03:26:06.820 okay why not why not it should be equal why isn't there a stronger advocation from feminists to

03:26:13.540 well there is in some places this is not a mainstream feminist position that they're like marching in

03:26:18.820 the streets mainstream feminism doesn't is like pacifist they don't want any war it's like anti-war

03:26:24.260 generally it seems a little bit infantilizing women don't even go to wars modern feminism to be like

03:26:29.540 oh yeah people look again they just don't see me as the same opportunity exactly what she said

03:26:34.660 maybe like what you said how it's just a cultural vibe basically leftover of yeah that's cool um

03:26:39.220 all right we have ryu here come in right who 2985 donated 200 thank you man appreciate it

03:26:46.980 who do you think is more abusive in a relationship women or men whether it be physically or emotionally or

03:26:53.780 both

03:26:58.500 it's for you why is every question yeah do you want to answer the question um who's

03:27:04.420 more abusive i don't know what are the statistics i don't know who's more abusive women what does

03:27:09.460 your feminist propaganda tell you

03:27:13.460 objective reality says that most violent crimes are committed by men the statistic yeah the statistics

03:27:19.540 are men but like in a relationship yeah but men are not believed that they can be psychologically

03:27:26.020 tortured by women they usually don't say anything so there's not going to be

03:27:29.700 many statistics on it i think more people are speaking out about it now but like society doesn't

03:27:36.260 believe men women abuse men i'm not saying this is again two-way street right uh ryu do you want

03:27:43.140 to pose a follow-up to her on this it seems like you're perhaps trying to get to something

03:27:47.460 uh he was asking though specifically about relationships you're pointing to

03:27:52.180 that men are more likely to uh commit violent crimes for example what do you think about this

03:27:58.580 though uh if we look at uh homosexuality and relationships if you look at for example

03:28:04.660 what you look you compare and contrast heterosexual relationships to homosexual relationships you find

03:28:10.580 the following domestic violence rates are highest in lesbian relationships in the middle you have

03:28:16.900 heterosexual relationships and the lowest incidence of domestic violence is in uh gay so two men

03:28:23.300 relationships how would you then go ahead and reconcile the fact that when you have two women in

03:28:28.580 in a relationship the incidence of violence is actually the highest and then when you have two men who i think

03:28:34.660 you would say well men are more likely to be violent the incidence of violence is the least

03:28:40.660 and in heterosexual relationships it's lower than when there's two women in a relationship

03:28:46.900 well a lot of violence uh against women is committed outside of a relationship okay

03:28:52.980 that's great we're talking about what we're talking about within the confines of a relationship

03:28:57.940 and then hold on uh the majority of violence is also men are more likely to be victims of violent crime

03:29:04.660 by women women are attacking men how would that matter it matters yeah so let's get back to the

03:29:10.980 actual original one though do you want to contend with my point

03:29:13.700 that lesbians are beating each other to death i don't know i guess it's not good it's not good

03:29:20.820 it's not good i'm against it that seems a little dismissive of women who are victims of crime of

03:29:26.740 abuse in lesbian relationships again that's a specific subset of being in a relationship

03:29:33.780 that's a very that's a statistical little thing most violence is committed outside of relationships

03:29:41.860 okay cool but let's talk about relationships because that's what we're talking about

03:29:45.860 it's bad i'm not again i'm not trying to blame men for everything i think we're equally can beat each

03:29:52.020 other and abuse each other and it's abuse bad abuse is bad yeah that's my hot take i don't like it

03:29:58.340 i'm not a fan of lesbians committing sexual violence against each other okay but what do you have to say

03:30:05.620 about when we do we are doing an analysis of these relationships you put two women in a relationship

03:30:12.100 they're far more likely to physically abuse each other than when you put two men in a romantic

03:30:16.820 relationship well the men can take each other right that's crazy it's a power it's a power imbalance

03:30:25.940 right there's no power imbalance generally in a gay relationship like you want to lean on the

03:30:30.900 statistics and then when it's like okay well what about this statistic it's like oh well that's uh

03:30:34.500 they don't report it or like it's dismissive of men it's literally sexist in the other way i mean

03:30:38.980 if we're completely discounting the reality of everything then yeah you know i'm proven wrong about

03:30:45.060 violence and who commits it we're talking about in relationship violence specifically wait so hold on

03:30:49.940 let me let me just frame it like this okay you're saying well in the west uh there are women in other

03:30:55.460 countries who face worse oppression due to their gender than in the united states so okay should we then

03:31:04.100 dismiss because you would still say though that there are disadvantages women face even in modern

03:31:09.460 western first world countries can i then dismiss that because there's women in other countries who are

03:31:15.140 facing conceivably worse levels of oppression or sexism yeah you can dismiss it again i'm saying it's not

03:31:21.700 what i mean that would be it would be a fallacy of relative deprivation i'm saying this idea of

03:31:28.180 pointing to like appeal to a greater problem the point of them yeah appeal to a greater problem this

03:31:33.700 idea that oh well they're starving children in africa so this specific thing that we're talking about now

03:31:38.740 doesn't matter because there's a worse thing happening somewhere else it's fallacious

03:31:43.460 the point of feminism here in the united states is to prevent a regression right to keep to

03:31:49.060 prevent a regression yeah prevent us from going backwards and stay in the present with how things

03:31:54.420 are not to repeal things repeal laws right there's a push to repeal certain laws that grant us certain

03:32:02.500 rights right okay love it anyways i'm going to move on yeah we have pacey george chair two do you know

03:32:07.380 that 300 years ago before men and women had the right to vote both sexes except royalty and their lackeys

03:32:13.060 were considered objects for many things including slavery that's crazy men were yes men enslaved other

03:32:21.780 men correct yeah that's the thing that happened um do you think question though do you think that men

03:32:31.140 deserve either historical or current disadvantages because the perpetrators of their oppression shared

03:32:38.580 their gender what are the current disadvantages of men can you explain them to me other than

03:32:43.940 circumcision oh yeah sure okay so i mean if we're going to look at statistics uh men are more likely to

03:32:49.860 unalive themselves they're more likely to be homeless they're more likely to uh die on the job they're

03:32:55.140 more likely to uh be uh is that because society is structured against you the laws are making you

03:33:03.220 communities aren't you feminist wouldn't you argue that patriarchy also hurts men so if it's the

03:33:08.180 case that men live under a patriarchy wouldn't said patriarchy also hurt them okay but what are the

03:33:14.180 things that are hurting you what are the things no what are the what are the what are the laws what are

03:33:20.820 the economic situation that's making men kill themselves their expectations that's crazy there's not a

03:33:25.700 lot there's not resources the economics okay just said it wait so hold on if it if it was the case

03:33:31.860 that the female on the living rate was disproportionate and it was higher than men's

03:33:37.540 i think a lot of feminists would say this is evidence of sexism in society but whenever it's

03:33:44.260 interesting if a bad thing happens to a woman it's because she's a woman if a bad thing happens to a

03:33:49.700 man it's well it's his fault like it's not because it's there's nothing gender related at least

03:33:57.780 anything that negatively impacts man it's because nothing to do with their gender it's because

03:34:03.060 generally speaking the people making the laws and with the money and the power to make laws are

03:34:09.300 male then should we be campaigning for again though so wait what you made the laws that hurt you right

03:34:15.620 men other men made the laws that hurt men right there's not a lot of women in government there's

03:34:20.420 more but there's not a lot yeah if a group historically built a system and i'm gonna i'm not even not

03:34:25.780 historically currently okay sure that means individual members today they they can't

03:34:31.620 point out how it's harmful towards them sure it's harmful but what is this specific thing that's

03:34:37.460 making men kill themselves at a higher rate can you say like on the live or something like oh sorry

03:34:42.660 does it matter all right what's this i've never said that before on a live yeah no no hold on well

03:34:48.660 you asked me to give you ways in which men are disadvantaged in society or like how they're negatively

03:34:54.420 impacted so feminists would point to things that aren't like because remember earlier you said

03:34:59.620 well from the there's no laws or anything that negatively impact women you said it's like the

03:35:04.980 culture right okay cool the culture is making men more likely to unalive themselves so why can you

03:35:12.100 cite to my culture but i can't cite to the culture okay so what could you fix in culture that'll make

03:35:19.540 men not kill themselves not unalive themselves as much i'm not that this is not that okay that's

03:35:24.660 specific topic i'm not an expert in like like if you were to ask me about like how do we resolve

03:35:29.300 homelessness that's not like an area where i have expertise in but i can descriptively point out what

03:35:36.020 the issue is i don't necessarily have uh i mean i could probably think of prescriptions i mean i think

03:35:41.540 you're pointing out just a general more economic reason why everything's worse right things are bad

03:35:48.260 economically for many people that's why they're homeless that's why what no it has nothing to

03:35:54.980 do with money the reason that's related okay so that's not all over the place with uh no but how

03:36:02.180 is it something that is related to gender in terms of men killing them but so so yeah i know it's difficult

03:36:10.660 so you you you're shifting the goalposts here you asked me okay well in what ways are men uh

03:36:18.340 disadvantaged or in what ways are men facing specifically gendered problems as it relates

03:36:24.260 to men and i was starting to list some for you because you doubted that it could even exist that

03:36:29.540 men in today's society can suffer in a gendered way and i'm pointing out to you ways in which men

03:36:34.900 disproportionately suffer in the same way that feminists say well women disproportionately suffer

03:36:40.660 in this way so if it's valid for you to say women disproportionately suffer i can also say

03:36:46.500 men disproportionately suffer in this way too so what has created the system that makes you

03:36:52.020 disproportionately suffer well you seem to reject that there's patriarchy

03:36:55.540 again i'm saying here in the united states it's not as real as it is in other places hold on i'm not

03:37:06.260 have i made a claim about the attribution of blame no but that's that's a great red herring i appreciate

03:37:13.140 that i'm actually just looking at the ways in which men are disadvantaged which is the you're

03:37:21.060 pointing out behavioral problems not not social behavioral problems yeah men wait women are equally

03:37:27.460 depressed they just don't tend to follow through the same way i have a question for you do you think

03:37:31.300 that for example when it comes to uh police brutality police misconduct incarceration rates uh when it

03:37:39.060 comes to african americans do you think that this is evidence of some sort of discrimination in the system

03:37:44.100 that was a lot of things at once i think racism is a real thing and i think economic discrimination is

03:37:52.980 a real okay but you would maybe agree that there would you say that there's a there's it's disproportionate

03:38:00.020 the amount of black people that are in jail as compared to white people yes it's disproportionate

03:38:06.260 i think statistically would you say that that's evidence of racism

03:38:10.260 i mean part of it yeah part of it i think it's a lot of things but part of it is racism so the

03:38:21.060 disproportionality that exists between the incarceration incarceration rate between blacks

03:38:26.420 and whites is actually orders of magnitude greater if you compare men to women so then because of this

03:38:32.580 disproportion would that be then evidence of sexism towards men as it relates to the criminal justice system

03:38:40.260 it wouldn't be sexism well hold on if i could point you to studies that show for example that men are

03:38:47.780 more likely to get longer prison sentences or more likely to be convicted or more likely to uh for the

03:38:54.980 same crime same circumstances they're more likely to receive a longer sentence or even get a prison

03:39:01.380 sentence maybe the women get off with just probation or something like this or have their chart more

03:39:06.260 likely to have their charges dropped that you would have to say that's evidence of some sort of sexism

03:39:11.620 towards men the people who are sentencing doing the sentencing and writing the laws are they men or

03:39:19.780 women mainly how again why it matters it matters who's writing the laws right so with more women if

03:39:25.780 you created the system that oppresses you that's on you right you created the system no it's not because

03:39:30.740 most the vast majority of men had no say and have no power yeah so it's a total red herring but the

03:39:36.740 vast majority but that's okay talking about the people in power answer my question that's a separate

03:39:41.860 topic who set up that system great is it is it evidence of sexism okay can women be sexist towards

03:39:50.180 other women can women be sexist can women be sexist towards women sure yeah can men be sexist towards

03:39:57.380 men can men be sexist towards men right depends on what kind of man they are okay homosexual man oh my

03:40:06.580 god what is but so i mean these are very general questions and you want me to give a one generalized

03:40:12.980 answer yeah you're trying to you're trying to hand wave away my my criticism specific you're trying

03:40:19.780 to hand wave away the grievances that i'm bringing up here by saying well who set that system up well

03:40:26.980 you're saying it's sexism it has to do with other things but even under the feminist even under the

03:40:32.340 feminist world view they argue that patriarchy also hurts men sure so the the so even under your

03:40:40.100 world view i kind of have contentions with the patriarchy theory but even under your world view

03:40:47.060 of the patriarchy's existence it would also hurt men i'm not arguing that men don't suffer that's

03:40:52.100 not my argument or because this country so men didn't set anything up as a monolith either most

03:40:56.900 men had no say as it relates to the laws let me ask you a question if there were a bunch of conservative

03:41:01.700 women which i mean perhaps the supreme court is going to go this way hypotheticals that aren't real

03:41:06.340 okay if you look at go look at the majority just go look at who's in charge are you pro choice or pro

03:41:12.340 life choice yeah okay cool if it happens to be the case that we lived in a matriarchy we don't but

03:41:19.300 let's say we did here it's fine um okay if we lived in a matriarchy and this matriarchy uh was anti-abortion

03:41:31.140 and you i'm assuming you're since you're in favor of abortion actually you're inventing you're a

03:41:38.020 great science fiction writer we don't live in that reality oh wow hypotheticals are to test the logic

03:41:43.300 great so back to my question back to my question if we lived in the matriarchy and this and uh you

03:41:49.940 know it was there was a female president and the supreme supreme court it was like six female great

03:41:55.540 that'd be amazing that'd be wonderful and they outlawed abortion entirely would would that then

03:42:01.700 justify in your would you be okay with abortion being illegal women wouldn't outlaw abortion hold

03:42:09.300 on just to be clear the majority hold on the majority of pro-lifers i think are women women

03:42:15.060 over 50 that's not sure the majority okay well hold on fine i'll even grant that it's not let's assume

03:42:22.340 it's the case for the sake of the hypothetical would you then hand wave away women's grievance

03:42:28.020 women's complaints about the current state of affairs of the country not allowing abortions

03:42:32.980 would you hand wave it away because it's a matriarchy or because women set that system up

03:42:39.380 again you're making this way more complicated than i'm not just answer the question

03:42:46.100 your hypothetical doesn't make sense to me

03:42:48.340 so your hypothetical of women being in charge and outlying you're saying logically you couldn't

03:42:55.540 comprehend like it's is it logically possible that there could be a majority of women who are pro-life

03:43:05.620 like it's logically possible that could be the case right groups tend to act in their own favor

03:43:11.220 right it's not in women's favor to outlaw abortion well you're just saying he's just saying that wait

03:43:15.700 groups wait and do you think wait groups act groups tend to act for themselves right the patriarchy

03:43:22.100 that existed that had control why did they grant women the right to vote because of a lot of fighting

03:43:30.340 on the half on the behalf of women if it's not in the interest of the patriarchy why did the patriarchy

03:43:36.420 grant women the right to vote because of world war one anyways because of world war one a lot of men

03:43:42.260 were killed in world war one and then women got the right to vote amen okay that's incoherent

03:43:48.500 that's my question why don't you engage in good faith with the hypothetical if there was a matriarchy

03:43:54.500 and this the the women in power you know what hmm wait wait wait wait wait question does a

03:44:01.060 matriarchy or a patriarchy have to be democratic

03:44:06.260 you just have to be it doesn't like you would agree that the matriarchy or a patriarchy doesn't have to

03:44:10.900 be democratic like we've had patriarchies in history that were monarchies

03:44:17.060 you're conflating democracy with feminism and other things no no just answer the question i'm

03:44:21.780 trying to get to the point i think what he's i'm just you lost me no literally what you think

03:44:26.260 you're saying that your problem is oh my god you lost me is it logically possible like i think you

03:44:32.660 lost them too your problem is men make the rules he's saying if women make the rules would it make a

03:44:39.620 we don't though okay but if they did that if if there was a matriarchy and this matriarchy was

03:44:46.900 pro-life and prevented women entirely from getting abortions would you be okay with the hand waving

03:44:52.900 of women who lived within that matriarchy saying hmm i want to be able to get access to abortions

03:45:00.260 would you be like well hoops oh who set that system up use a different example than abortion i

03:45:05.060 feel like she's like well women would never i'm like okay i don't believe that everything women

03:45:09.060 say and do is the correct thing that's what you're saying that's not answering my question no you're

03:45:14.180 saying that i would believe in abortion in pro-life if a matriarchy was pro-life because women everything

03:45:20.900 women say and do is correct i'm really trying to understand the question you're okay this is

03:45:26.820 conceptually above me when i've brought up male grievances your retort your red herring is to say

03:45:34.900 but who set that system up it's not a red herring it is a red herring did women set up the laws that

03:45:40.580 are making men alive themselves right that does not contend with the actual argument that's being made

03:45:47.460 it's a distraction from the conversation that's actually occurring so it precisely is that it is a

03:45:52.980 red herring again again just very simply i believe everyone suffers equally right i'm not saying

03:45:59.620 anyone suffers yes i do for many different reasons there's many different reasons people suffer other

03:46:04.900 than sexism my only contention is that women right are not lesser than men that's literally it

03:46:12.500 that's literally it okay we're in agreement i agree with you no not a feminist

03:46:17.700 not a feminist congratulations oh my god okay right you're sorry for the delay here um thank you we

03:46:25.220 have chats coming chats coming in excuse me right 2985 donated 200 i live in mn my lawyer literally

03:46:36.900 told me that trying to fight for custody of my son was a waste of time because she was most likely

03:46:41.940 going to get custody why is that the case when i chose to leave i hope you still fought for him

03:46:50.260 i hope that's not directed to me

03:46:54.500 is it directed to me again hopefully not uh thank you ryu or yeah i appreciate it can i at least get

03:47:00.580 an answer to the hypothetical so really simply let's let's say okay here they're all stuff they're

03:47:07.300 suffering now you're making women suffer dude that's great i'm gonna try to frame it i'm gonna

03:47:12.420 try to reframe it one more time and hopefully i can get an answer otherwise i'm gonna just move it on

03:47:17.940 i guess okay so let's frame it like this yeah you are pro-choice and you're arguing with somebody

03:47:24.660 who's pro-life and in this hypothetical society that you live in it's matriarchal the president's a

03:47:31.380 woman the systems of government predominated by women uh there's seven of nine of the justices on

03:47:38.900 the supreme court are women and there were laws passed completely outlawing abortion and these

03:47:45.220 laws were passed by women and you're trying to say well it's really unfair that women don't have

03:47:51.140 access to abortion and i just instead of actually contending with your argument for why or why not

03:47:56.820 abortion should or should not be legal i simply hand wave it away by saying well who set this system

03:48:04.740 up maybe you should you women should look because when i say who set this system up that's not a call

03:48:12.020 to blame men i'm saying well men should also have a problem with the laws they've set up right we

03:48:16.820 literally clarified that earlier so that doesn't work if you don't agree with the way things are you

03:48:22.260 should be uh trying to change the way things are so if you don't agree with the way things are set

03:48:27.140 up currently against men then you have the right to fight for whatever you think is a set up against

03:48:34.980 you right but you're you think the society is set up against men is what you're arguing society is

03:48:41.940 unfairly prejudiced towards men no you asked you asked for examples of ways in which and you said

03:48:49.940 homelessness and yes suicide they are can i say suicide on the live god damn you're struggling

03:48:55.140 with that one sorry um yeah there's a whole bunch there's a whole bunch forced forced military

03:49:00.420 conscription there's all kinds of things there's no forced military conscription right now there's

03:49:04.980 only a selective service not a draft but men are in america there's no draft you're not being drafted

03:49:12.100 but you have to yeah that's still that's still an injustice the selective service yes the selective

03:49:18.100 services and injustice then they should also make women sign up for it if that's what you want

03:49:23.220 they should but they aren't okay i agree with you i agree with you that should be for that i mean

03:49:30.020 women are in the military it's not like women aren't in the military volunteer and so can men

03:49:35.860 right they can both volunteer but the current laws on the books yeah only men would be subject to

03:49:42.660 forced military okay i agree with you i think that should change why is it again there's countries

03:49:49.140 where women are also drafted or put into the military but if very very few and even then oftentimes even

03:49:56.660 if there was forced military conscription for women they're not going to be put on the front lines

03:50:01.540 typically okay so i agree there should be an equality there i'm not disagreeing with you against

03:50:09.460 conscription my grandmother was in the military in the soviet union it doesn't matter i love it

03:50:14.580 yeah okay i'm gonna move it on pasty george he says chair two if feminism exists to prevent regression

03:50:22.180 then why are we in a worker shortage and birth rate crisis why are modern women voting on laws that

03:50:28.500 are harmful to children and newborn life who is this who is this for for you chair two okay

03:50:37.380 um what was it again i was really not paying attention that time go ahead read it i'm not

03:50:48.500 seeing where it is it's always there okay it's on screen prevents then why are we in a worker shortage

03:50:55.540 uh okay animals don't like to mate in captivity generally that's the birth rate crisis that's men and

03:51:01.140 women wait that's not just women are the sole reason for the birth rate captivity what

03:51:07.620 because we're living in a society that's making wanting to have kids less and less of a happy

03:51:14.340 option we live in a society all right that's great uh the economic system's not great right now it

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03:52:03.940 yeah yeah all right we need to get back into the dating stuff i know on god on god all right please

03:52:11.220 let me get into the show notes here um oh wait we have pasty george here all right he wants to continue

03:52:16.500 it i never got my high school diploma and have worked since i was 16 and i still can follow

03:52:21.860 brian's hypotheticals didn't you get a phd or something stop being bad faith and stupid on

03:52:26.660 purpose yeah she she wanted she wouldn't engage with that you were being that was a hypothesis that's

03:52:32.740 not based in anything okay explain to me what a hypothetical is it's something here it was a bad

03:52:40.500 faith hypothetical how is it a bad faith hypothetical because again like i said a matriarchy wouldn't vote

03:52:46.100 in against itself no it was literally just the exact example you use you acknowledge wait are there

03:52:51.300 currently supreme court justices who are women who are against abortion

03:52:58.260 yes individually there's women against abortion are there pro-life women yes but not as a mass group

03:53:06.500 but okay the proportion my understanding i and maybe we can google it the proportion of uh of pro-lifers

03:53:14.420 uh i think it's even more than men there are more women who are pro-life than men are we can go look

03:53:21.380 that up how sure i mean can we nick can you google women are predominantly pro-life and the pro-life

03:53:27.620 movement it's mostly women wait so the pro you just said the pro-life movement that's what i'm is that

03:53:33.620 true the pro-life movement is mostly women i don't know the exact is there a statistic on that

03:53:40.820 wait you do realize like donald trump won the popular vote what what other reasons what do you

03:53:48.100 think what the the gender breakdown was of who voted nick find the gender breakdown for uh

03:53:55.860 for this most recent election for who voted for donald trump maybe i can find it too

03:54:00.180 this is not a political show hold on wait so

03:54:02.820 okay donald trump wasn't elected purely on the basis of men versus women there were economic

03:54:10.420 reasons there were national like uh war reasons and patriarchies or matriarchies could be established

03:54:17.780 not just on the sole basis of the abortion topic

03:54:22.660 okay if anyone can follow him good luck to them that's exactly what i said i was like use a different

03:54:26.580 example because the abortion because it's for women you're trying to make it complicated for no

03:54:31.300 reason wait question for you yeah how would you feel if you hadn't had breakfast this morning

03:54:37.620 i didn't actually i don't feel great that's why i look you can't engage

03:54:41.540 no i don't i didn't i didn't eat breakfast oh she felt the phd fell for it i didn't eat breakfast

03:54:47.540 yeah yeah what how do you feel if you did what's the big what's the big thing i fell for

03:54:52.260 yeah but how would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast i i feel bad right now i feel bad i didn't

03:54:59.060 eat breakfast right okay yeah i feel bad that's my answer you failed the hypothetical test i'd feel

03:55:06.500 bad i would feel strong no but you said you didn't eat breakfast i like to live in some semblance of

03:55:11.380 reality which is why i'm not good at these hypotheticals because they have no basis in

03:55:15.460 anything i mean why are you a feminist then if you like to live in reality oh okay you won

03:55:20.340 we should all we should all be saudi arabia we should all be veiled and everything it's all

03:55:28.980 good to jump from one extreme to the other you're like i guess we're just like saudi arabia

03:55:33.620 i don't understand why you're

03:55:35.220 like nailing no no no can you pull it up how do you think how do you think i feel right now

03:55:45.780 uh okay um okay 44 wait oh they're still talking about hold on

03:55:57.300 can you find just like something on pro-life though like gender breakdown in the pro-life movement

03:56:01.220 just curious just curious i'm i'm sorry i didn't mean for this i didn't mean for this to happen

03:56:10.260 all these women hate you now it's gonna be really quiet the whole time i gotta give a chair two a

03:56:14.660 little break okay yeah we do come on yeah we need to talk to you we're we're don't worry we're gonna

03:56:19.860 investigate your electrical skills oh yeah yeah tell you all about it because you're calling to teach

03:56:24.660 your class right there it is wait you just

03:56:27.460 just show me one that's fine we won't linger on it show me what you got uh young women more likely

03:56:39.620 than young men to strongly oppose wait strongly oppose okay

03:56:48.100 yeah but i'm looking more so

03:56:49.620 opposed abortion restrictions means that 55 of women are pro-life no are opposing abortion

03:57:02.500 restrictions yeah yeah exactly i'm like this is i'm just saying you picked the wrong cherry

03:57:09.220 pick data to pull up come on wait hold on minimize that is that the democrat logo hi

03:57:13.780 hi dos yeah come on oh okay no it's not that you're pulling up the wrong can i ask you a

03:57:17.700 hypothetical do you write big write big it says women oppose abortion restrictions right big hi yeah

03:57:23.940 can i ask you a quick hypothetical since we're doing that a lot yeah sure didn't you just say you

03:57:28.420 wanted to live it doesn't matter i i i flip i'm a flip-flopper yeah anyway would you have preferred

03:57:34.900 that your mother grew up here in the united states or in somewhere where the laws against women are very

03:57:40.340 regressive so in india for example or in another country where it's not as good would you have

03:57:47.220 preferred your mother to grow up there or here when have i made an advocation for repressive

03:57:55.140 i mean you're saying women shouldn't be in the workforce

03:57:59.780 we had a whole thing about it women should be taking care of kids not working what are we talking

03:58:05.460 about here i was i was asking what's better for the children was did your mother work yeah she did

03:58:12.980 was it bad for you i think it would have been honestly uh i love my mother but i do think that it

03:58:19.380 would have been uh perhaps a better dynamic had she not been working do you think she would have been

03:58:27.460 happier not working well i think there's a certain degree of when when there's propaganda that that

03:58:37.700 tries to say you can't be happy unless you do x and people buy into those sort of narratives then

03:58:43.940 you could certainly make the case that if somebody doesn't do what the propaganda says you should do

03:58:49.380 they'll be unhappy because of it so you would have been happier if your mother didn't have a career

03:58:54.500 hold on if there was i would would i have been happier yes as a kid you would have been happier

03:59:00.100 if your mother didn't go to work being around the person you love every day look just to be clear

03:59:04.660 i had a i had a fantastic mom i had a fantastic mom okay but was she perhaps more stressed out because

03:59:12.420 of her work would she have been less stressed out in a country with less rights for her uh what i'm

03:59:18.580 not sure precisely that was the hypothetical i'm not sure precisely what i'm saying would you have

03:59:23.140 rather your mother was in a country like iran or here but hold on there's all kinds of

03:59:30.980 determinations for like for example you would agree that there are certain countries that do certain

03:59:36.660 things better what does iran do better in relation to women yeah you're so bad faith holy

03:59:43.780 shit i'm i'm mimicking you no you're not you're not mimicking me at all you would realize that there

03:59:50.100 are certain countries that might do certain things better but that in totality you would still want

03:59:55.300 somebody to live in a specific country that like in totality that country's better but perhaps like

04:00:01.140 whatever okay would you have liked your mom to have less rights to do things that wasn't your original

04:00:05.780 question it was it was i changed i changed the question i changed the question the question i changed

04:00:11.620 her be home or not and then it's like as someone who loves his mother which you have wanted her to

04:00:16.500 have less rights as a human being that's not the question hold on i can women can have the women

04:00:22.820 can have the choice i'm fine with women having the choice but if you're asking me about like what i

04:00:28.180 think is perhaps better for society i think it is better for society for women to perhaps put more

04:00:34.660 of a priority towards family and children over career well you know i'm not necessarily arguing

04:00:40.900 that i'm just arguing women should have the choice to decide whether they want to do that or the other

04:00:45.300 thing i've look you can you can look back to previous conversations i've continuously stated what's that

04:00:54.340 sorry i've continuously made statements about how i think it for example i think we should and when i use

04:01:01.700 this word i mean it in the best light way possible of this word i think that we should be exploiting

04:01:09.700 women's genius and intellect to tackle things like you know we should have female researchers trying

04:01:16.100 to tackle cancer i think we should be pushing as much people as possible towards fixing current

04:01:23.540 problems in society and if that means having the intellect and genius of women tackling problems

04:01:29.220 like cancer research or other illnesses i think that that's fantastic okay so we have no disagreement

04:01:35.380 then right but when it comes but okay right but i do think it is the case descriptively that i i do

04:01:43.220 think children fare better when there's the mother in the household and they're not getting dealt the

04:01:49.060 kids aren't getting sent to child care okay i agree with that too i'm just saying there needs to be the

04:01:53.700 option yes i'm fine with the choice okay that's but but i think there's been what i guess what i'm

04:01:59.860 trying to say is i'm fine with women who if they want to work but i think there's been like too much

04:02:06.100 propaganda in that direction listen i'm not for every single thing that whatever current day

04:02:13.620 modern feminism is saying i'm not pro every single point i just have a certain elemental thing that we

04:02:21.140 agree on that there should be the choice right there should be a choice but if we can if we're

04:02:27.300 talking about okay well what could potentially be best for society i don't know necessarily if it's the

04:02:33.860 best thing for society for women to like postpone giving birth to children into their 30s and postponing

04:02:42.820 starting a family well there's a reason a lot of women postpone having kids it's because they're in

04:02:49.460 long relationships with men generally who then do not want to marry them or have kids with them and

04:02:55.220 that ruins their 20s that's a real thing you can look that up too okay let's give some of the other

04:03:01.300 panelists please some opportunity here i want to be fair although now there's pasty george is pissed

04:03:06.660 off at you um so here pasty george fuck it brian just get chair to 100 burritos already

04:03:16.180 and move on she's worse than priscilla and other bad faith idiots like her okay

04:03:24.900 excuse me pasty george by the way is a canadian first nations

04:03:30.740 tribe guy tribe guy what the fuck is that i don't know i'm i'm sorry all right around 2.2 million

04:03:38.900 men were drafted in the vietnam war sent off to fight in a pointless conflict and came home written

04:03:42.900 with ptsd and other issues just to be greater greater by men and women calling them murders and

04:03:48.500 spitting in their in their face at least the ones who made it home yep oh also i didn't

04:03:55.540 i kind of want to move it on you said when i when i brought up forced military conscription

04:04:02.180 you said well there hasn't been a draft in such a long time i do want to quickly point out that the

04:04:07.700 most recent draft while it was a long time ago was in vietnam and to his point there would be a

04:04:13.540 men who would still be alive today had it not been for them being drafted in vietnam there are men who

04:04:18.340 are currently dead today well yeah today well they were dead there's men who are currently dead because

04:04:24.180 they were in the peloponnesian war there's a lot of men a long time ago who died in a lot of wars

04:04:29.380 right i don't know what the argument is we're talking about recency we're talking about that

04:04:33.300 race and that's a pretty long time ago oh okay cool i love the seventies cool slavery also happened

04:04:38.500 a long time in your lifetime have you been drafted let's engage with this slavery hasn't been

04:04:44.740 there hasn't been slavery in a really really long time should we discount uh black people's i guess

04:04:50.980 uh grievances as it relates to slavery because it happened a really long time ago or it's almost

04:04:56.980 like men made those hold on let's let her answer if men didn't go to war right what would you be

04:05:04.660 doing hold on okay your your argument men sending other men to war yeah your argument is yeah uh vietnam

04:05:14.100 war a long time ago so it doesn't matter okay so by your logic slavery happens a long time ago so

04:05:21.060 it doesn't matter you identify with black people who want reparations for slavery you want reparations

04:05:26.180 for the draft right because it hasn't happened in your lifetime but you want reparations for it

04:05:31.540 wow this is a great fallacious argument here why don't you answer i'm making a joke yeah

04:05:37.700 let me just answer the question i don't know you have a problem with the fact that in your lifetime

04:05:43.060 there hasn't been a draft but there was a draft in the 70s hold on am i not allowed to to advocate

04:05:50.340 hold on so by your logic if a black person current day was not a slave they can't have criticisms of

04:05:57.220 slavery yes they can have criticisms of okay great so i as a man can like advocate on behalf of other men

04:06:05.940 who have historically experienced something bad do you want to abolish the military what is your point

04:06:10.500 that's what i gathered or do you just want women to equally be drafted which i again agree with you

04:06:17.380 on i'm not against it like i said there's countries where it's equal i'm just gonna have to drop it to

04:06:24.900 move okay all right so let's see here why don't we get into we're gonna get in some other people you

04:06:30.580 know what let's do this all right ask everyone to rate i'm really sorry zip it here hold on let me

04:06:37.380 press some shit that was misogynist what's your fucking mouth wait well oh my god bro this girl

04:06:43.700 can't help her something misogyny is alive and well you need to zip it how well wait how is it misogynist

04:06:51.060 first we got to take off our shoes it was disrespectful a little bit no you don't think so

04:06:55.380 so you think wait what if it's what if i'm being disrespectful to you for some other reason you're

04:07:01.540 engaging me in conversation and then telling me to shut up right how would that be misogynistic what

04:07:06.100 if i nick shut the fuck up you piece of shit wow am i a misandrist now because i just told a man

04:07:12.980 to shut the fuck up you got a bunch of women here to tell them to shut up though right i don't see any

04:07:17.940 men here on the panel i invited you guys here to speak me either okay then i'll be quiet and let them

04:07:22.900 talk oh my gosh bro holy shit somebody again we're in agreement on many things here i don't know what

04:07:33.700 we're arguing there's some youtube it's not misogynistic to tell someone to shut up if i told

04:07:40.980 you to shut up because you're a woman that would maybe i'm just telling you to shut up because you're

04:07:46.100 talking a lot i like being cold today what did i even say i'm just responding to questions i can

04:07:51.140 shut up don't worry i'll be quiet bro you you you're you know what you're you're not just

04:07:59.380 interrupting me you're interrupting the uh the other women too okay i'm done i'm gonna get you a

04:08:04.740 gold plaque for your desk this is number one misogynist thank you i appreciate it okay ask everyone

04:08:10.980 she's gonna love this one watch watch all this ask everyone to rate their own looks

04:08:15.060 on a scale of one to ten you can't pick seven from m1 garand all right starting with

04:08:22.420 wait how you know what show of hands or anybody here at ten raise your hand okay

04:08:28.500 it rate your own looks on a scale of one to ten you can't pick seven uh go six okay

04:08:38.100 well jokes on them i have very low self-esteem negative a thousand

04:08:41.220 uh well within the one one okay okay if it's objective right and five's like generally good

04:08:49.460 looking okay i'm like started off symmetrical put on some weight like i dock points piercings tattoos

04:08:54.260 people don't like so i realistically probably rate in it like a 4.2 okay i feel like uh eight eight okay

04:09:03.060 a five into the mic into the mic into the mic a five okay what about you a six what about you five

04:09:11.300 five wow what all right i'm on this panel here all right there you go oh i give myself a five

04:09:17.860 we're realists yeah it's very you don't you don't have any well you don't have many extremists here

04:09:23.700 today i mean i said many well yeah again we're in agreement on everything i don't know what we're

04:09:30.340 arguing i love how the polycule and the four kids we we've escaped the flax so far i'm like oh boy

04:09:37.940 about my ex okay uh if chair two thinks it was a long hold on you just told me to sit so it doesn't

04:09:47.540 matter ask her what she thinks about titus destruction of the second temple uh can we can

04:09:53.700 we not ask that's my opinion can we not that's what i think can we ask something else to some to

04:10:02.020 somebody else wait oh my god i could i thought of something even worse than that bro wow uh

04:10:10.580 i don't know if i should go there do it do it no balls

04:10:13.540 um do it so this is this would be your logic okay i'm scared this is not a claim i'm making

04:10:25.780 okay you said that because can anyone else answer for me stop can you stop interrupting you're being

04:10:33.140 rude so you said that my me bringing up forced military conscription was not a valid concern when

04:10:42.340 i'm trying to advocate on behalf of men because the last time men were conscripted in this country

04:10:47.860 was in vietnam something something happened during world war ii something really bad happened during

04:10:56.740 world war ii if you were to say i am aggrieved because of what happened during world war ii and i said well

04:11:06.660 well it doesn't matter because it was a long time ago would you would you consider that to be

04:11:15.700 uh strong argumentation or would you find that deeply offensive i didn't say it doesn't matter

04:11:24.820 i didn't say it doesn't matter that's not what i said you were trying to can i explain what i said i

04:11:30.900 didn't diminish explain it then i said you're against the draft right i'm a i'm against the

04:11:37.700 draft i'm against you're against the service you're against the service forced military conscription

04:11:42.500 okay would be then get rid of it then let's fight to get rid of it otherwise what are you

04:11:48.740 you're against the draft that doesn't exist but you're against selective service so let's get rid of

04:11:52.900 either let's get rid of the military i don't know what you want wait wait hold on i'm a wait

04:11:57.940 the draft exists dying is a bad thing but i acknowledge that it is something that happens

04:12:04.100 so in this perspective i don't think that it's it's ever going to be politically tenable or possible

04:12:12.100 to get rid of a draft because because nation states are not going to relinquish their right

04:12:17.940 to call upon its citizenry to defend the nation in the event of a conflict so this idea that well let's

04:12:25.300 just get rid of it it's literally not politically tenable to do it so what do you want to change in

04:12:30.900 reality about the selective service you want women to be also there yeah i'm pointing it out as a

04:12:38.020 instance in which men face some form of uh discrimination wouldn't be the right word but

04:12:45.780 men face a disadvantage due to this and also in order for men to be allowed to vote they have to register

04:12:52.580 with selective service women have no corresponding duty or responsibility to the state this is an

04:12:59.300 inequality that exists between men and women okay there have been women who wanted to be in the

04:13:04.500 marines and the military the army decided that women were not fit for certain positions in the military

04:13:11.140 this is a decision oh no this has been a decision by the united states armed forces they prefer men on the

04:13:17.620 front line this is not a decision that his women are involved in why would you want women in the

04:13:22.980 front line why do you think like i'm saying it could be equal it has been equal in certain places i'm

04:13:27.700 not arguing against the quality standards to enter the military for women don't get me wrong i'm a

04:13:32.180 career girly like i i love women in the workforce i love equal opportunity do you think it would be a

04:13:36.580 net good for our country to have a bunch of women like an equal amount of women on the front lines

04:13:42.580 just biologically there's already a lot of women in the military of course the military but i'm

04:13:47.060 saying specifically on the front lines like if it was majority women well hell no like just majority

04:13:53.460 it would be half and half right yeah you think equal would put aside just as good about chances

04:13:58.340 well it's happened already world war ii the soviet union men and women were on the front line

04:14:03.380 can we get a fact community you can fact check that yeah it was 50 50 soviet army in world war ii yes

04:14:09.940 women were on the front but she is correct that there were some few females that were front line

04:14:16.020 sure yeah of course i'm saying it's happened and if you notice world uh the soviet union and the

04:14:21.860 allies were the victors of that war not but that's what i'm saying i'm not saying it doesn't happen or

04:14:26.260 shouldn't happen like i said i support women's opportunity to be everywhere i'm saying do you

04:14:30.100 think it would be a net positive do you think there's reasons they might discriminate in that

04:14:34.180 specific situation besides hating women women are weaker than men then why are they equally

04:14:41.380 right currently in the war currently happening right but you just said that in israel men and

04:14:46.900 women they might equally they might discriminate against them because in the in the military that

04:14:50.980 has nothing to do with what i said you said that they might discriminate against them because they're

04:14:54.180 women and they might not deem them worthy of being on the front lines there are certain countries like

04:14:59.300 this one that would prefer women are not on the front lines that's a decision made by our military

04:15:03.860 and i just said do you think there might be a reason that's the case that's because women are

04:15:09.060 biologically inferior to men but you're saying that women are badass but it's not going to change that

04:15:15.780 men are stronger than women so yeah i don't think that's an example i'm saying he's arguing against the

04:15:20.580 selective service actually no you're arguing that it prejudices for men well then let's equally

04:15:26.740 i mean you know it's just i don't know how to keep arguing this it's i guess i see your point

04:15:32.740 she's saying yes she's agreeing that women are are physically inferior to men so she's kind of like

04:15:37.700 well what do you want me to do about it i mean you know you're using that as an example of how like

04:15:42.100 misogyny is still like upheld that like women might be discriminated against and getting accepted to

04:15:46.580 the front lines and i was just saying there might be a specific reason for that discrimination well

04:15:50.260 is that is that what you're saying do you feel like women are being discriminated i don't think i

04:15:53.700 don't know is that what you're saying i don't think so i might have misunderstood i'm saying

04:15:56.580 from what i understand of what the united states military decided they decided that women shouldn't

04:16:02.660 be on the same front line as men at least in terms of a certain groups i know it's a i think it was

04:16:08.660 marines or something or one of the i don't know specifically i don't remember that's not misogyny

04:16:13.540 that's just like but i'm not there's biological i'm i'm trying to agree with him he has a problem with

04:16:18.980 the selective service i'm saying do it equally that's right but you would have to agree that

04:16:25.460 currently as the rules as it stands this is an inequality that exists between men and women

04:16:32.500 but the reason for it is what who cares what the reason it's important the reason because the

04:16:38.900 because the reason was we don't think women can be in the military right isn't that the reason for

04:16:43.300 that what other reason is let's assume that that's the reason does the inequality still exist yes or no

04:16:48.980 okay are you are you okay with inequality men decided women are biologically inferior so they

04:16:59.460 decided it it's objectively true okay so why are you arguing against the decision that was made

04:17:07.460 you you you don't want women in the selective do you do you want i think he just wants you to

04:17:12.660 acknowledge the inequality i think is what he's trying to get at he's just trying to get you to

04:17:16.180 acknowledge the inequality so do you know while it might be a reality while while it might be a

04:17:21.860 reality i don't know what we're saying i don't get it it's it's like a uro burro it's in on itself

04:17:27.780 it's like we don't want women because they're biologically inferior but it's also unfair that

04:17:31.940 women are in the selective service that's how she feels she don't want to acknowledge it there it is

04:17:35.860 what are we going to do you can't argue with that you want to move on no i do i desperately want

04:17:40.660 to move on you just brush over all this guy but yeah i mean i'm gonna

04:17:47.860 you're not gonna get any i mean what do you you know you're not gonna you just gotta engage with it

04:17:52.100 it's a catch 22 is what i'm saying but again you always go to the but who set that system up blah

04:17:57.380 blah blah most men were not sitting at the table when these systems were built so you're kind of trying

04:18:05.620 to blame an entire gender for decisions made by elites and it's kind of lazy thinking

04:18:12.900 the majority of people everywhere had no say in anything but yes the elites are predominantly male

04:18:17.780 though right right but do you think it's more to do with the fact that they're men they're better yeah

04:18:22.180 or the fact that they're elites it's uh

04:18:25.620 if you were making the decision right if you were making this decision who do i draft but it's

04:18:33.780 what decision would you make as a man who's against the draft you're saying there needs to be a draft

04:18:39.380 do you want to draft women or not that okay that gets away from the actual argument that's being made

04:18:46.500 if it is the case that it's unfair to send men to war and men suffer in war then it would seem to me

04:18:54.020 that this would be some sort of inequality that exists between men and women just because you're

04:18:59.700 you're making you're trying to create some pacifist justification you're pacifist you don't want wars

04:19:05.620 because men suffering them i'm a realist war happens to be some sort of inevitability okay

04:19:12.740 so and who do you want fighting the men or women i don't know what you're upset about i'm saying

04:19:20.100 women should be equally drafted so descriptively it is the case that i think men are better soldiers

04:19:24.820 okay however in order to field one soldier you need like 10 other people in some capacity in the

04:19:32.180 military to support that one person who's on the front line women can absolutely occupy these pencil

04:19:39.700 pusher positions in the military they can be chefs they can be cooks they can be in some sort of support

04:19:44.900 role but women are completely barred even volume women who volunteer in the military are not like

04:19:51.460 front line soldiers so women can have women can contribute to the war effort but you're just not

04:20:00.180 going to be yeah and they have okay sure okay yeah but so we can force women to become soldiers that would

04:20:09.620 there would still be an inequality because men are going to overwhelmingly be the ones who face most of

04:20:14.740 the suffering through combat through death through injury but at the least the least we could do is

04:20:22.020 say you know what if men are subject to forced military conscription so too should women that's what

04:20:27.220 i'm saying that would at least be a little bit better or at least a step closer to equality than the

04:20:31.860 current system where only men are subject to military conscription you've heard when i said that i agree

04:20:39.060 that women should also be conscripted right but they're not so am i in charge of that though

04:20:46.820 like they're not why am i in charge of the current system

04:20:52.340 they're not for the reasons you stated right for the reasons that you believe that women are in

04:20:57.940 theory that's why they're right sorry sorry sorry sorry the reason women are not is for the reasons

04:21:04.580 you just listed right you wouldn't personally want women other than in a support role in the

04:21:09.300 military correct that's what you just said sure i'll grant that okay well that would still be an

04:21:14.100 injustice the men making

04:21:18.340 against who men or women that women are not on the front line against then put women on the front

04:21:24.180 line what are we talking about here he was well there's a certain okay there's a certain like okay

04:21:29.860 um i'm trying to think of an example here if you if you operated a prison and the goal is to keep

04:21:37.300 uh violent people inside this prison and you're going to have to use force

04:21:44.260 do you would you prefer that it's made up of men or women the the uh the corrections officers

04:21:51.940 men are better being unintentionally uh wantonly cruel the stanford prison experiment right that

04:22:02.500 was men in that experiment does that have that was prison guards the stanford prison experiment yes

04:22:09.540 i'm familiar with it okay yeah what does that have to do with actual correctional officers

04:22:14.100 by the way that that wasn't it like deemed as extremely unethical that doesn't change what

04:22:22.020 happened in it okay but like elizabeth holmes was a scammer all women should take responsibility for

04:22:27.140 being scammers i agree with you that i think men should be prison guards because they're better at

04:22:30.980 it probably okay so does that make you the sexist i'm agreeing with you okay so then pragmatically

04:22:41.780 speaking if we want the best soldiers yes and why are you complaining you want the best soldiers why

04:22:47.860 do you want women in the selective service then i'm confused either it's a either it's inequality or

04:22:53.860 it's or it's make up your mind either it's inequality that women aren't drafted or women shouldn't

04:23:01.620 be drafted i i'm so confused you want both things at the same time

04:23:05.620 it's oh my god you're not making really any sense here so um i'll open it up to the i don't know if

04:23:15.300 the chat wants to uh make any arguments

04:23:23.940 this is not a political show reminder

04:23:30.340 but we can always brian i agree with you i'm kind of lost too i thought the point was because you were

04:23:34.900 trying to get her to to make the claim that yes it's it's inequality but if that's not the point

04:23:39.060 then i don't really know what you're getting at either yeah maybe i'm slow here man but uh

04:23:42.900 we're kind of going we're going like this um she's saying she agrees with you because women are not as

04:23:48.020 strong as men so is the issue her not claiming the inequality is that the problem i don't agree with

04:23:54.580 your the conflict with your view i think our it's a it's a bit of a red herring because it's a

04:23:59.940 distraction technique to point to okay who set the system up men set the system up blah blah blah if

04:24:08.020 essentially she's trying to say because men set the system up men are not allowed to make any sort of

04:24:13.380 valid claims of grievance as it relates to forced military conscription

04:24:19.460 pragmatically realistically descriptively speaking it is the case that we

04:24:23.060 we we oftentimes do have to force people to fight in wars so that we can defend the nation

04:24:29.780 i'm acknowledging that i can i don't think these two things are mutually exclusive i can also say

04:24:35.700 that it is it is an injustice to force people into war and that these men who are forced into war

04:24:42.660 will suffer these things can are are all can all be true at the same time

04:24:46.980 do you want women to be drafted or not it was pretty simple and the answer is yes okay then i'm in

04:24:54.100 agreement with you we've reached a conclusion to this argument oh my god but no that wasn't the

04:25:01.220 original oh my god i'm just fucking moving it on god damn bro yeah let's do it

04:25:08.820 saying it's unfair to men i agree with you you're saying it's unfair and i agree with you

04:25:15.220 i don't understand why we're arguing about it all right i'm moving at this i'm moving it on okay

04:25:23.620 uh so the question was rating everybody's attractiveness blah blah blah do you think

04:25:29.060 you'll be better looking in 10 years time than today no okay you're 39 were you better looking at 29

04:25:35.700 versus now at 39 yes i had i gained weight so better looking at 29 and then better looking at 19

04:25:45.140 versus now better at 29 okay better at 29 than 19 yes okay you're 34 were you are you going to be

04:25:54.740 better looking in 10 years time at 44 into the mic and say anything um i don't know it depends i can't

04:26:05.380 tell the future but if i lose weight maybe yeah i could look better how about you stay the same weight

04:26:10.020 i stay the same weight i don't know dude how i'm gonna age it i'm probably worse if i don't lose

04:26:18.260 weight okay and then were you better looking 10 years ago at 24 i probably was yeah but i didn't

04:26:28.180 appreciate how i looked then okay uh you're 23 better looking in 10 years time at 33 uh no it'll be

04:26:34.420 hotter if global warming keeps going but not better no okay you're 27 better looking in 10 years time

04:26:40.180 at 37. hell no i'm you oh one more time i'm sorry what i thought you were still talking to her

04:26:50.580 same question same question directed at you though okay i think can you repeat it please 27 to 37 do you

04:26:57.700 look better will you be better looking in 10 years time at 37. uh no okay were you better looking

04:27:03.860 at 18 or better looking now at 27. um 27. okay you're 34 will you be better looking in 10 years

04:27:09.540 time at 44. no can you guys talk into the mic please no okay were you better looking at 24 or

04:27:18.580 better looking now at 34. yes i was better looking at 24. okay you're 31 better looking in 10 years time

04:27:24.340 41 no okay uh were you better looking at 21 versus now at 31 no so better looking now yeah okay

04:27:34.580 you're 45 better looking in 10 years time 55 no were you better looking at 35 versus now yes

04:27:42.100 better looking 25 versus now yes 35 25 which one better looking

04:27:46.420 i might pick 35 but if i go based on uh attention 25 i hope i age that okay you're 27 better looking

04:27:58.260 in 10 years time 37 no uh better looking at 18 or better looking now i would say now just because

04:28:04.500 i like lost weight and skin and stuff like that all right uh nick we have we have the ai we've

04:28:12.500 ai aged advanced all of you let's go ahead and do it white people have it rough you always say it's

04:28:20.580 true all right go ahead oh you hide put us in damn this thing is so rude it's like the worst

04:28:30.340 skin care routine are you gonna look better in 10 years you start smoking a pack of dave hell no i

04:28:35.780 i know thank god yeah that's good those years hit quick dude uh okay all right uh next

04:28:44.020 oh my god it like shrinks your face in 10 years i don't know 10 years bro okay next

04:28:53.140 oh god god no justice yeah i might next live faster young

04:29:01.860 like god damn next

04:29:12.020 dude okay all right next

04:29:18.660 that is so not fair

04:29:21.860 there's a milf

04:29:24.900 next

04:29:25.300 dude no if you've made it this far looking that good i don't think you're gonna age like that

04:29:32.740 it's supposed to be 10 and 20 years i am curious

04:29:36.020 no not really next okay

04:29:38.180 so funny

04:29:42.820 oh

04:29:43.300 oh shit okay all right next

04:29:45.460 yikes

04:29:46.980 yikes okay next

04:29:49.780 granny got swag what the

04:29:51.140 fuck okay she's at the maggot rally

04:29:52.900 next

04:29:53.300 oh man come on what the

04:29:55.220 oh my god

04:29:56.180 can we see you there it is there you go okay

04:29:59.620 without the beard your hair just went green screen

04:30:02.660 hold on that picture's older now quality good

04:30:05.700 shit i took an old ass photo

04:30:08.500 did we do gender too you saw a twinkle in your eye all right let's do gender

04:30:11.620 all right so what we've done here is we have swapped your gender so the question is

04:30:17.460 would you date the male version of you

04:30:21.540 damn

04:30:22.420 the fuck

04:30:24.660 over there

04:30:26.820 mexican genghis khan

04:30:28.500 that is fucking hilarious

04:30:30.900 dude

04:30:31.300 what the fuck is genghis khan

04:30:32.980 you don't know genghis khan

04:30:34.100 he doesn't know

04:30:34.820 the mongolian

04:30:35.780 super spreader

04:30:37.780 yeah you sure you need to do it

04:30:39.060 johnny apple

04:30:40.260 yeah it's an hour for a whole bunch of lands just check them out

04:30:42.740 would you date the male version of you like

04:30:45.780 yes you kind of he's a little he's got good brows

04:30:49.380 that's not why

04:30:50.660 give me the big one no

04:30:53.060 no all right nope next

04:30:57.700 that looks like my dad

04:30:58.660 that's so funny

04:31:03.540 into the mic please would you date the male version of you

04:31:06.500 no for oedipal reasons no

04:31:10.740 all right

04:31:12.740 next

04:31:16.260 wow they did you dirty on this

04:31:17.380 i look autistic

04:31:19.460 i mean i look like that one

04:31:20.900 i mean don't you also look that way in the beginning photo too

04:31:24.900 i look like that one friend in disney channel

04:31:26.500 okay next stuff

04:31:31.940 absolutely not

04:31:32.900 would you would you date the male version of you no

04:31:36.020 okay you look scary all right next

04:31:40.900 no you look like a disney channel star you wouldn't date

04:31:44.580 you wouldn't date the male version of you no i would you look like a good man

04:31:49.620 he looks like all right he looks like 13 14

04:31:52.340 but he is he he is good looking the second one the the the the third one

04:31:57.700 the third one

04:31:58.900 the brother from malcolm in the middle

04:32:00.260 it's like a 30 year old right there

04:32:02.900 all right that's a no from her uh next

04:32:08.580 would you date the male version of you

04:32:13.540 probably not

04:32:16.180 no no why what's wrong with him he's not your type no what's your type

04:32:21.220 i feel like all these guys look a little fun what what's

04:32:25.780 i think yeah

04:32:27.780 no you wouldn't date him

04:32:29.780 he's an handsome guy

04:32:32.820 what's wrong with him i don't know i thought everyone else's looked good though he's too feminine

04:32:38.660 thank you

04:32:40.580 i don't know maybe it's a weird thing about like being me this might be the best one

04:32:44.820 i know i think the dapper is the best one i think you look dapper

04:32:50.180 all right next they're only getting progressively better as we go down oh

04:32:53.620 you look like that one guy from star wars he's actually cute

04:32:56.900 yeah that's a bit off

04:32:57.540 you look like okay that's a bit off the guy from star first off they changed your race

04:33:01.380 i know

04:33:04.180 like you're you're white right white and mexican oh okay

04:33:07.780 all right so they just picked one they just picked to show the other side

04:33:14.420 all right wait do you have a brother does he look like that at all no i do have a brother but

04:33:18.900 he does not look like that blue eyes you got blue eyes or it's like blue gray eyes okay all right

04:33:23.780 next oh yo you look like you are on jersey shore now

04:33:27.780 i mean i kind of look like my brother a little bit you know i probably i might date that guy

04:33:34.660 i might date that guy when you date him

04:33:43.300 first of all like do i like the guy like looks are kind of secondary to a lot of things i think

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04:35:30.900 and go to the behind the scenes tab guys discord.gg slash whatever we got a really good community over

04:35:36.340 there discord.gg slash whatever and uh behind the scenes tab guys last show we had a feminist

04:35:44.100 rage quit felicity gave her the smack down not physically but verbally was it the shoes she was

04:35:52.580 very felicity was very nonchalant she was like i'm gonna leave and felicity was like all right get the

04:35:59.300 fuck out bitch no she didn't say that but that was her that was her subconscious attitude

04:36:04.020 mogged yeah felicity mogged the shit out of this chick she's like i'm gonna i don't feel right

04:36:09.140 doing this and felicity's like all right bitch she didn't say that just kidding she's she's just like

04:36:14.100 okay cool bro all right check it out discord.gg slash whatever join the community if you're my

04:36:20.020 caucasian you will join it appreciate it guys okay let's get into the show notes here who can i rope in

04:36:26.820 here i want to try to include everybody so while we get to who is let's see sin uh you said you

04:36:36.020 haven't been single long five months you're married to a man for about seven to eight years you had two

04:36:40.180 kids separated then you met a man got into a relationship with him you ended up being in a

04:36:44.980 dominant submissive relationship including a tpe total power exchange so that's like you're getting

04:36:51.300 into bdsm territory then yes okay what was it just the the um the d part of that or also the

04:37:01.460 sm and b part well bdsm bondage domination sadism masochism yeah okay you guys were doing okay oh

04:37:11.060 right there's levels to everything okay so you were doing bondage stuff because you said you were

04:37:15.620 collared as well yes and you're doing impact play i assume on you not on him okay uh you have having

04:37:23.460 a you had a contract a bdsm contract yes and then you found out he was married the entire time yes he's

04:37:31.300 also a celebrity's bodyguard yes as well he's a armed guard he was oh yeah can i ask which celebrity

04:37:40.740 they're very popular just a couple no actor pop type oh okay so very popular you wanted to talk

04:37:50.500 about domestic discipline or bdsm relationships well if it came up oh okay what is uh tpe total power

04:37:57.780 exchange what's that it's pretty much like i don't have to think or do anything because it's being done

04:38:03.940 for me in a way you know that's just normal sex but there's certain were you ever in a cage no never

04:38:10.580 kept in a cage it was a thought like it was spoken about i need food it was it was talked about

04:38:18.820 worked up it's not yourself when you're hungry it never happened the fucking snickers or something

04:38:24.500 did you have a milking table i'm gonna send i should send felicity on the run you down felicity

04:38:29.780 sure all right um i'll get that arranged in this in a moment uh let's see here uh okay

04:38:37.220 so do you want to share some details of your tpe total power exchange relationship well it was pretty

04:38:43.380 much like i don't think anything that i did was out of the ordinary like i was very submissive like you

04:38:51.460 know i did things like you know everything breakfast in bed i rubbed his feet like i waited for him when

04:38:58.420 he came at the door take his boots off you know things like that you took his shoes off yes okay

04:39:03.940 i can get yeah that's cool yeah i was kneeling as he came in the door kneeling yes was there a uniform

04:39:10.500 or something nope no it didn't matter what i was wearing then as he came you know i took his shoes

04:39:15.540 off and you know just reinforcing the patriarchy did you wear an actual collar or was it more like a

04:39:22.900 necklace or it was like either that's a bare minimum though you know but then he he did give me a day

04:39:27.380 color you know for work and stuff okay it was very discreet with the little circle on it and and

04:39:33.620 so is that what you were when your kids every day when your kids see you or my kids didn't know anything

04:39:39.220 about it we kept everything like completely private from my kids

04:39:45.540 impact play what does that mean well it just depends like you know yeah for you spanking

04:39:50.820 okay it could be like um is that kind of vanilla though like even vanilla people do like spank it

04:39:57.300 just depends the level are you talking like with a paddle or something that too yes oh okay that's

04:40:01.300 just like being like the spanking with the hand okay you know like like i feel even like leave imprints

04:40:06.500 and choking is vanilla territory now at this point it depends the level of the choking like some

04:40:11.700 you know regular chick okay so let's see what i what i've done i tried like you know the paddle

04:40:20.500 the the flogger those are like minor i did use a a what do you call it like a riding crop for the

04:40:27.060 horses oh oh she knows about it i mean i used to ride horses

04:40:32.260 things like that we would try different times did you use it on your ex-boyfriend yeah to beat the

04:40:39.460 shit out of what the fuck god damn poor guy these electricians man they go hard and the pain it was

04:40:45.460 fun i enjoyed every every everything you know all right i complain all right what happened it was

04:40:50.420 being a wife what happened when you found out he was married married oh it destroyed me i was like

04:40:56.980 was he living with you and stuff or no pretty much he was always that's what i couldn't understand he

04:41:01.380 he was always at my house we were always on the phone like it's so crazy you know like everything

04:41:07.460 was being taken care of in my house i had no wait who here's latino latina are you no you're latino a

04:41:16.420 little bit you're not latina latino latino no really because you look you're like a white girl latino no

04:41:24.260 i found out recently i was i'm actually like half arabic which i didn't know okay

04:41:31.380 i was never mind there are certain things i do regret you know forget regret was he around your

04:41:38.420 kids huh was he around your kids yeah i went ice skating everything was normal like everything was

04:41:43.140 so normal like you know like for the latino women here would you find it offensive if a white guy

04:41:51.060 was saying some like like he was culturally appropriating like for example he was like talking like he was

04:42:02.820 mexican he was acting he was he was he was cosplaying he was larping as like a uh

04:42:12.100 uh like how about this let me let me demonstrate he would be like

04:42:20.260 hey vato hey that's my essay over there dog like would that be really talks like that though

04:42:28.740 come on bro we live in southern california the answer is yes that would be offensive don't mess with my

04:42:34.660 homie that would be offensive but learning to speak spanish and like like if a guy did i'm not

04:42:39.300 like purpose but if you're like hey what's the way like of course like would you be like you're

04:42:43.860 mexican well first of all i identify more so with white culture but if somebody spoke like that i

04:42:48.740 would like i would just be laughing i couldn't yeah of course if you started doing someone yeah

04:42:54.260 if you started doing something like if i did that i i would never do that except on this podcast right

04:42:58.820 now of course you know in a hypothetical i think what i'm happy is when like when i got hurt

04:43:05.060 everybody was gonna get hurt too so everybody found out do you guys speak spanish you speak

04:43:09.940 spanish you speak spanish no i know a little bit right you know is it offensive to call call a woman

04:43:19.220 an abuelita no says why that's grandma well i don't want to be called grandma and i call her an

04:43:26.340 abuelita and she doesn't have kids is that offensive well why would you call her a grandma

04:43:30.820 she'd have to let she look like a grandma and do a grandma oh shit okay anyways that answers your

04:43:36.660 question uh oh we have we got jenna here jenna's notes jenna has a horror story about when she went

04:43:43.700 on a one date with a guy and had to get a restraining order after who a year and a half of no contact

04:43:51.220 because he ended up being a nut job yeah so okay okay i went i did go on one date with this guy and

04:44:02.260 then it ended and at the end of the day when we were parting ways i said you know thank you for

04:44:08.900 everything i don't think this is gonna work we're good um and then everything was good i didn't hear

04:44:14.420 from the guy for a year and a half until i got into a relationship and then he started stalking

04:44:21.460 me so this is a year and a half after our first date wait so you had heard nothing from nothing

04:44:27.460 from him what yeah it was bizarre this guy is uh so wait you went on one date yeah and like you didn't

04:44:36.900 talk at all yeah like was he trying to go on a second date or just um he had he had asked me on

04:44:44.100 another date and you said no and i said no and that was the end of it that was the end of it

04:44:49.060 and then a year and a half later a year and a half later he saw me at breakfast with my boyfriend and

04:44:55.540 like lost it what like he did he come up to y'all or no he didn't come up to us he started blowing my

04:45:01.540 phone up and then he was driving by my house and then um posting about me on what was he saying

04:45:07.700 what was he saying in his text messages or on social media or when he was contacting you or

04:45:13.780 whatever um just telling me that i was

04:45:20.100 garbage that um i was dating a beta male that i was i don't know it was it was he said everything

04:45:31.780 under the sun he called me every name he did was there any explanation offered or like what do

04:45:37.860 you think was the reason because this is strange like you went on the date with him

04:45:41.300 it wasn't a match or whatever but you didn't hear from the guy for a year and a half yeah he sees

04:45:46.340 you in person then he loses his mind yeah that's weird it was i can't he's he's unstable but did you

04:45:53.700 say like is there some component of like does he think you lied to him or i'm not just no he no i'm

04:45:59.940 just trying to understand like what he thinks it's what he's doing is crazy but like what does he think

04:46:05.620 that in his head i guess i don't know in his head i was his girlfriend and for the year and a half

04:46:13.140 you weren't yeah no absolutely i'm telling you this guy was fucking insane the fuck yeah damn

04:46:19.300 he's like oh yeah my girlfriend i lost you oh no he started so my mom is a bartender and he started

04:46:25.220 going into my mom's work talking to my mother about his girlfriend and in reference to me and uh

04:46:36.820 finally when my mom kind of it took us a while to kind of piece together that that was who was going

04:46:43.140 into her work um but you know she lost it on him she's like are you talking about my daughter

04:46:49.940 and he's like yeah kelly i am and so he like knew the whole family he was it was it was it was

04:46:57.940 weird was he giving you money or anything or no when i i mean it took a while for me to actually

04:47:05.380 get the restraining order i had to go to court a few times it was a freaking nightmare it was all

04:47:09.460 spending all day at the courthouse and um had to get filed as a dv restraining order because

04:47:15.460 we did go on a date together um but that was the that that was the conversation between

04:47:23.220 us and everyone it was like who's out there man yeah crazy what what more was going on and it's

04:47:28.980 that that was all that had happened and i had text messages to prove it and yeah that's fucked up yeah

04:47:35.380 it was it was an experience you said you've been labeled as a pick me girl why is that oh i've been

04:47:42.980 called that just because i come to men's defense

04:47:47.460 shit i was arguing with this family i was looking for the defense

04:47:50.660 the most oppressed group in society so true that was a that would have been a little difficult to

04:47:57.860 jump in on there was you got it yeah no you got it that was good uh okay

04:48:07.300 all right uh going to pia did i say your name right you got it how do you say your

04:48:11.300 or i don't know if you want to you don't have to share your last name i'll say it

04:48:15.620 a nunziata and then pia giovanna baby yeah nice that's what it is you're italian my father's name

04:48:24.260 is pio hey like a probation officer no padre pio oh saying i guess oh okay pio you know oh i see

04:48:34.100 okay uh you said you're okay so you're an electrician you own your own electrical contracting

04:48:39.060 business how long you've been doing that electrician in general um coming up on 10 years

04:48:44.980 okay and you and did you like it was your family in the business or no okay no i just needed a job

04:48:52.260 you say ironically you definitely believe in more traditional values uh you moved out of your

04:48:57.620 parents when you were 17 you moved in with your boyfriend at the time who happened to be your father's

04:49:01.940 age yeah he was yeah you've ridden harley's ever since was he in a motorcycle club he was but yeah

04:49:08.500 he was um i was like i was 17 i was like you know dad mom on a motorcycle they were like you can't live

04:49:15.220 in this house and have a motorcycle i was like all right then i'll go live somewhere else and have a

04:49:19.220 motorcycle and that's what i did and i moved in with um his name was guy um guy garino and um

04:49:27.140 um yeah and he taught me how to ride and uh he taught me a lot of stuff and um i was there for

04:49:34.340 four years and he now he's passed away so that was like a big uh hurdle were you in the motorcycle

04:49:41.860 motorcycle club too girls can't be in motorcycle clubs okay you can be like aren't there different

04:49:48.180 categories of motorcycle clubs well yeah i mean if you want to get into it like get into it i mean

04:49:54.420 there's one percenter clubs that are considered outlaw motorcycle clubs yeah it was a one percenter

04:49:58.820 club so his club was not they did not wear a one percent sorry a one percent patch um but they were

04:50:05.300 sponsored by hell's angels so what does that mean though to be sponsored basically like you got the

04:50:11.060 approval of hell's angels to be a club and then if you want to wear a one percent patch you then have

04:50:15.940 to go further to get that can you say the name of the club or um yeah he was in outraged it was

04:50:22.580 called outraged motorcycle club and he wasn't in it for very long he'd been riding his whole life i

04:50:27.140 mean that guy could ride better than 95 people out there at his had his age popping wheelies on an

04:50:33.940 ultra classic is pretty good okay and you were dating him for how long um so in total it was four

04:50:41.220 years four years so yeah okay all right but and you still ride harleys or oh yeah yeah i got a little

04:50:49.300 collection i'll be riding till i'm dead man that's cool all right yeah uh you said that he uh so he's

04:50:55.700 the one who taught you how to ride yes you said you he had some drug issues but you really did love

04:51:01.220 that man yeah drama trauma long story short at some point you left him four years later and shortly

04:51:07.940 after that he passed away and that was difficult yeah which you kind of talked about so yeah so i had left

04:51:13.380 him um at a certain point he he uh was not a perfect man he um dealt with some drug issues some pill

04:51:20.740 issues and um like depression issues and he did have a daughter that passed away um a couple years

04:51:28.580 before uh and it was just you know and everybody can make the argument of like oh it's all fucked up

04:51:33.540 because of the age gap and this and that and it's like look i'm no psychologist i don't know but um

04:51:38.820 um how old were was he so so at the time he was 52 and you were 17 17 and uh yeah yeah i mean like

04:51:55.700 you can say it are you on it's like i thought i really fucking i really fucking love that man i'm

04:52:00.020 no psychologist i don't know but i can tell you right now that at that definitely at least at that

04:52:05.620 point in time we were two people who i would say needed each other um i'm no fucking psychologist

04:52:11.940 so you can go ahead and say because of x y and z but in reality i think we did need each other and

04:52:18.340 i don't regret it i mean i learned a lot from that man i love that man hit him passing was a big deal

04:52:24.580 for me i was already out of that house for over a year but okay but him passing was a big deal um

04:52:30.980 oh sorry go ahead i mean i showed up when i found out that it happened i showed up and i was

04:52:34.740 the one cleaning out the house and i was the one helping with his sister taking care of everything

04:52:38.900 so you know okay uh why did you move out of your parents house at um i guess uh well a couple things

04:52:51.540 you know my my parents are very traditional um traditional old school italian household which is

04:52:56.660 cool i have nothing against them they're great parents um but you know there's a lot of strict

04:53:02.260 they're very strict and i wanted to go i wanted to go ride motorcycles and i stayed in school i had

04:53:10.020 great grades all throughout school and all that it wasn't like a you know anything crazy um i just

04:53:15.860 wanted to leave at 17 in new york you could legally leave your house i knew that so okay just curious

04:53:22.260 uh actually wait never mind uh you said you agree with most of the host views thank you thank you yeah

04:53:28.420 uh you say you're an exception to a lot of the rules he states as you've been doing a man's job for

04:53:34.500 quite some time now so you would say although exceptions do not create the rule you simply

04:53:39.540 need to leave room in your theories for them to exist yeah i don't know if that was really more um

04:53:45.460 you or um sorry andrew andrew um because you know look yeah i'm a minority i i'm with reality

04:53:54.900 hardcore like most uh most women are not going to want to do a man's job something that i do i chose

04:54:01.460 to do this job uh i could see where most women wouldn't want to do this job but i i do i do do

04:54:10.180 this job and i and i think that i do it well so right you know you write that you're a licensed

04:54:15.220 electrician you typically do very masculine work in your daily life but you're walking contradiction

04:54:20.500 due to the fact that you actually believe more in traditional values you're relate excuse me raised

04:54:26.100 by catholic old school italian family yeah you guys don't believe in divorce you do a man's job

04:54:31.540 throughout the day you don't want to come home and still play a masculine role in your relationship

04:54:36.900 that being said the average guy would find you probably too masculine or intimidating to be someone

04:54:42.340 they would typically approach right definitely but fair enough because same lol that's what you wrote

04:54:48.340 yeah because um i mean look like obviously on face value i'm definitely not i'm not everybody's

04:54:55.060 cup of tea do you want to do a double bicep really quick i don't know if i got the room dude i might

04:54:59.300 hurt some people over here raise it over here where's the camera at huh it's right there

04:55:08.260 yeah i work out i work out but like if you took that away still just um what i do every day is

04:55:20.340 very masculine it's very masculine job obviously i'm a more masculine female i'm not super feminine

04:55:27.220 um so most men are not going to want to deal with that fair enough you know but um so in saying

04:55:33.140 traditional it's like me being this masculine the reason maybe one maybe one of the reasons why

04:55:39.380 i've dated older men is because older men tend to be traditionally more masculine like that's just the

04:55:44.660 way it is those are traditionally masculine men for somebody who's going to look at me and see somebody

04:55:50.420 that they may potentially want to have a serious relationship with you probably are going to have to be

04:55:56.420 at least more masculine than me right so like you know and yeah i believe in traditional values i mean

04:56:03.300 in my family like i said we don't get the worst you're married to somebody you know if you don't

04:56:07.220 like them go to bed wake up tomorrow maybe you'll feel different because you're gonna be with them

04:56:11.060 till you're dead so uh yeah what's the oldest you've ever dated because you said you tend to date older

04:56:16.420 men um so same age range like 50 well you've dated multiple guys in their 50s yeah so my last

04:56:22.900 relationship was older too all right we've got some older viewers in the chat maybe we can i

04:56:26.900 know dude i think i might be done i don't know you're done no it's just it's just um like i said it's

04:56:31.860 not like i'm seeking out necessarily older men it's just that also i will say that being raised old

04:56:38.660 school also includes like older music older movies older values i mean there's not i don't find many

04:56:45.620 people my age that we actually have much to talk about in reality you know you know i like motorcycles

04:56:51.940 and working on motorcycles and trades and stuff i mean there's not that many people my age and old

04:56:58.740 music and old movies i mean what i could rattle off old actors like nobody my age would know them and

04:57:06.020 yeah so in totality do you like lana del rey uh yeah she's pretty good you're like the hero of one of

04:57:14.420 her songs i'm a hero of one of her songs i'm the hero her i mean i love her music oh that was

04:57:22.660 supposed to be a compliment because she's the guy that i'm talking to loves motorcycles it rides up

04:57:29.300 and everything yeah no i love motorcycle i like i've been in motorcycle accidents i like mess myself

04:57:34.100 up but oh shit i'll still uh i'll still ride oh there's a nice harley yeah man yeah i got harley's

04:57:40.100 that's just what i did you submit any notes or no i thought i did genie let me

04:57:47.220 maybe i didn't send okay uh you're a disney adult though you know that definitely because

04:57:54.180 how often do you go to a few times a year at least my son i took him for the first time when

04:58:00.100 he was three months he loved it and all your clothes are disney themed most of them yes and

04:58:06.500 i have a huge collection of lounge fly what's your favorite disney movie i guess god i'd have to say

04:58:16.580 who framed roger rabbit is my favorite okay that's kind of that's kind of niche a little bit yeah that

04:58:22.340 one's my favorite yeah what about like princess or whatever favorite oh my god that's such a

04:58:26.900 princess aurora of course i shouldn't have said that one but rapunzel she's a she's a close second

04:58:32.500 though the hair one yeah no she's badass yeah nice okay that's cool uh let me see if i can find

04:58:40.100 the notes on that but moving on to wait xenia is that you gina oh eugenia okay your name on instagram

04:58:51.860 different oh it's my russian name your russian name okay uh you said you have a unique losing

04:58:58.260 your virginity story you don't know if that counts as a dating story oh what's the you what's into the

04:59:04.820 mic sorry um i don't know just that i lost it late and it was uh i'm a russian jew and the guy i lost it

04:59:14.580 to is a black muslim brotherhood comedian who was on co i don't want to never mind i don't want to

04:59:21.700 get too specific with who he is nothing who is nothing it doesn't matter sure yeah or i don't know

04:59:29.380 if that's what you're going to say no i don't want to say what i because then you can identify him

04:59:33.060 never mind um i don't know but i don't know hold on if if i say what i was muslim because of their

04:59:39.540 drug usage no if i say what show he was on it's gonna wait it's gonna be able to identify him

04:59:47.620 was it a was it netflix or it was tbs tbs yeah dave chapelle not yeah it was dave chapelle

04:59:56.900 i yeah i lost my virginity to dave chapelle i don't think he's muslim brotherhood though but anyway um

05:00:03.620 um that was my first time it was intense are you uh wait what's the story so wait the story

05:00:12.180 is that it was russian jew loses virginity to i was 31 muslim yeah i was 31 30 oh so like three

05:00:20.260 years ago because you're 34 yeah yeah was it a wait was it a was the one night stand yeah

05:00:28.420 yeah what was it about the him about uh that you were you like trying to lose him he was funny

05:00:40.660 how did you how did you meet him uh hinge you met him on hinge yeah

05:00:46.900 and then like going into the first date were you i don't know it was knowing that you were gonna lose

05:00:52.500 your virginity yeah i uh like no no i didn't know it you didn't know no one thing led to another

05:00:59.220 yeah basically just one thing led to another yeah he was funny you know he was on tv he was funny i'm

05:01:04.020 easy i don't know wait chat okay chat investigate stop you're so you shouldn't have given them that

05:01:08.980 much information chat who chat investigate i should have been honest i should have lied right yeah black

05:01:15.300 muslim brotherhood and he was on a tv show yeah that's how many are there yeah they are gonna find out who

05:01:21.860 he is yeah i that was i'm tired i shouldn't have said all that um it's okay

05:01:31.380 does his last first name start with a k okay all right play the fifth what

05:01:36.420 like the fifth what no yeah i would i'm pleading the fifth to decide not to die yeah can we

05:01:42.260 you i mean please don't

05:01:49.780 guys stop now wait wait but so i'm not gonna get into him but yeah so it was uh

05:01:55.620 where did you go on the date we were in like uh prospect heights or somewhere in brooklyn we went to a

05:02:02.420 burger joint slash bar and then he's happened to live very close by oh no wait so you just

05:02:10.100 as the next door you went straight to his house pretty much well i got a little drunk and yeah i

05:02:16.020 went to his apartment so you went to a bar first yeah you got some drinks yeah and yeah and then how

05:02:22.180 was it was it was it good oh boy i hope you know you're a virgin i mean did you tell him that you

05:02:29.540 were a virgin i don't remember maybe was he a what do you mean you don't remember i think was he a

05:02:35.860 phenomenal lover no did he just blow your mind he was fine he was funny chill out felicity he was fine

05:02:44.660 hey chill out um i don't know he played uh fleetwood mac for some reason on the tv

05:02:51.380 we smoked a joint uh it was did he know though you were a virgin i think so at some point at some

05:02:58.660 point in the night yeah yeah i didn't tell my mac the guy that took my v-card that who's the lead

05:03:04.500 singer again i can't remember anything stevie nicks he was playing her singing black that's what i said

05:03:10.340 i was like is this what you do with all the white girls you get in your apartment he was like yeah and

05:03:14.020 that was the joke anyway see why does it gotta be always a race and always a gender thing is he

05:03:18.020 i'm not sure if he's black though okay whoa he can listen to stevie i don't know who you're looking

05:03:23.460 at are you keeping stevie nicks no i don't think you found the right guy that's good is he in the

05:03:28.500 film industry totally vindicated nope nope oh no but she might be lying about this she's trying to

05:03:35.300 jordan peterson finger movements sorry she's working above our level we're hiding we're hiding his

05:03:41.060 identity i'm not switching things i'm not doing it trying to change that he's actually half black

05:03:47.060 and not jewish i almost let it slip i almost let it slip yeah it's p diddy yeah i'm not doing

05:03:53.380 there i see i'm trying to help you out i'm trying to like yeah yeah yeah it's p diddy i was at a

05:03:57.940 freak off and it happened i knew it um i'm the type they invite to freak off

05:04:04.340 i don't think they discriminate much um you oh okay you said you wanted to speak on the notion of

05:04:11.220 the fem cell and women in their fem cell era are you did i say that you did write that

05:04:18.180 would you are you describe yourself as a fem cell or i don't know lately yeah lately when's the last

05:04:23.860 time you had carnal knowledge long long enough it's been long enough i recently had a guy was

05:04:32.340 it since the one night stand no no have there been other men i didn't know oh my god i don't really

05:04:40.020 want to get into it deeply but yeah the dating but or women

05:04:45.860 yeah no listen um yeah the fem cell era i don't know a lot of my friends seem to be in their fem cell

05:04:52.420 era so i think i mentioned i don't know what you have a lot of what's the fem cell my female

05:04:56.740 friends are sort of yeah not all of them some of them what is that that can typically cause that

05:05:04.500 no not really if you're suffering from being they've just been they've been wrong they've

05:05:09.380 been wronged and now they're in their era okay i mean so they're voluntarily so yeah yeah it's not

05:05:14.820 really fem cell but um so well they call it did you i mean look you were a virgin until 31 maybe you

05:05:21.940 know that was my fem cell yeah that was my 31 year fem cell but what's interesting to me like had

05:05:26.980 you been on dates before yeah a few really i i mean i was seeing someone we just didn't do anything

05:05:34.980 don't you think that but you could have yeah see i don't believe that women can be

05:05:40.340 involuntarily celibate so fem cell there's well that's just people will

05:05:45.220 i mean if well you're maybe right so maybe i'm maybe fem cell isn't real i think you were

05:05:52.420 voluntarily celibate i saw myself that way but yeah maybe i was willing i think any woman

05:05:58.740 if she makes herself sexually available she can get penis i don't disagree there any man

05:06:06.260 who makes himself sexually available can't get pussy yes he can if a woman guys there's 100

05:06:13.380 girls like that will like you can go find each other it's just like do you want to go

05:06:16.820 fucking put in the effort but the second you brand yourself as an incel man or woman like

05:06:21.940 i definitely think it's granted it's harder for like incels and fem cells or whatever

05:06:26.420 but they could definitely go find girls to go to like your local i don't know dungeons and dragon

05:06:30.420 sermons or something i'm sure you could find yourself a lady somewhere like

05:06:33.780 fucking nerdy girls don't have standards i don't know craigslist the idea here is though

05:06:39.860 any woman can be a slut any woman can be a slut any woman can be a slut you could be a slut maybe you

05:06:48.820 after you lost your virginity maybe you became one any man can also get sex he can buy it well

05:06:57.780 but that that transcends the understanding of what we're talking about when we're talking about yes

05:07:03.940 then there wouldn't even be a point of making this categorization if it's the case that

05:07:08.260 well both men and women can just procure sex through transaction through just paying for it

05:07:13.940 what we're talking about is someone who has a base level some degree of desire to have

05:07:19.940 non-transactional sex with you

05:07:23.300 i mean listen uh it's more of a feeling than a reality the fem cell thing if you feel like a

05:07:28.980 fem cell you're a fem cell if you don't feel like one then you're not i think there's power

05:07:34.820 i think there's power to that like once you feel that they're undesirable or that they feel that

05:07:40.180 they're fundamentally unlovable you know that's the thing too but once you sure accept that like

05:07:45.780 perception of yourself then it's obviously like if you see yourself a certain way then you're gonna

05:07:50.900 portray yourself that way to the world you know what i mean well yeah that's what i'm saying yeah

05:07:54.820 i think there's power in rebuking that title but look the the reality is any woman can be a massive

05:08:01.540 slut in order to be a slut as a guy you gotta bring a little more you gotta bring a little something to

05:08:08.900 the table you know or just live by bonnie blue i'm just saying you as women you can hop on it you

05:08:17.460 can hop on a dating app tonight 10 13 p.m on a fucking sunday in small ass santa barbara and y'all

05:08:26.900 good chance you you can find some dick i mean i can't hop on hinge and get me some last minute

05:08:33.220 pussy on a sunday night that's you can't do that if you have no standards i can't get some if you

05:08:37.540 have no standards you can no trust me i trust me even if i was lowered my standard i'm i matched with

05:08:46.580 a fucking wildebeest on fucking hinge i i can't it's very hard very women want to feel safe they

05:08:54.180 want to feel comfortable they want to plan the date you know maybe next day you know a couple days in

05:08:58.020 advance even then sex ain't a guarantee all i'm saying is i here i'll put it this way you right

05:09:08.660 there you eugenia did i say your name right yeah you you that person the person the agent the whatever

05:09:19.300 the other thing is okay i would bet my life savings that if we download we both download

05:09:27.940 the dating app tonight you could get dick faster than i could get pussy oh my god i believe that

05:09:35.940 who agrees who hit at the table who of the women agree that our good friend eugenia thank you for

05:09:42.420 that could get like a theoretical you though right chat wait chat chat chat do you think eugenia could

05:09:48.420 get some dick oh god faster than i could get some pussy or could just tonight she could get it tonight

05:09:55.940 i i can't i'd lose i'd lose from who you could still get it which man on the street are you

05:10:01.300 talking about she's like are you asking which homeless guy are you referring to well that's her

05:10:07.860 territory okay let's see she'll hook you up for someone she said i'm sorry that's crazy great

05:10:14.180 fuck you i was gonna leave that part out okay listen chat do you think wait just chat say um eugenia

05:10:22.420 or brian who do you think would be more able to get some tonight sunday last minute sunday sunday

05:10:32.980 dick appointment last minute chill out felicity come down yeah brian get you up because they know you

05:10:40.340 though yeah internet thought will get you far come on they know you oh you run santa barbara

05:10:44.580 yeah it's your hood they're coming from like fucking idaho and kentuckian or some

05:10:48.900 shit you think santa barbara women want to date me bro this fucking liberal city bro it's

05:10:53.860 fucking liberal they don't want to date me they're like oh my god he's so toxic just lie what your

05:10:58.180 show's about be like yeah i run a santa barbara women don't fuck with me bro i'm too i'm too moderate

05:11:05.220 for these liberal santa barbara women aren't they gonna go inland college girls yeah i gotta hit

05:11:10.740 baker's field or some shit well now we know who wronged you santa barbara women

05:11:21.300 i'm kidding so i'm so hurt hey well first of all just to be clear i'm it's not fine i've got

05:11:28.500 plenty of santa barbara pussy i believe all right relax okay lady i'm feeding into what you're saying

05:11:33.780 you're saying you can't get any either you can oh well i'm saying at the last minute look i'm saying

05:11:38.100 okay in a crunch i'm saying well also on demand my uh my political views have evolved over time

05:11:46.340 and you know now that i'm a bit more out there you know i've got a lot of kamala voters in santa

05:11:52.580 barbara it's not not doing me a lot of favors you know like you know what i mean but look i listen

05:11:58.500 go to orange county right yeah good idea that's a great idea thank you for uh you're welcome

05:12:03.620 thanks for offering that up you're getting more am i no no he's just adopting your guys

05:12:12.180 cultural appropriation film studies phd concentration in feminist film theory you also

05:12:19.860 wrote though this fem cell thing right okay i don't look i don't think women can be fem cells

05:12:23.940 uh i think any woman here you download a dating app i think you can get dick within 24 hours i can't

05:12:30.580 say the same thing about men i don't think that they can download the dating app and within 24

05:12:35.220 hours have pussy magically appear will but you know yeah i mean yes men want you to come over at like

05:12:43.220 2 a.m to their apartment i would do a very respectable 6 p.m brunch or some

05:12:49.700 shit brunch i'll even do it come over it still can't get some pussy if i offer brunch come over

05:12:53.940 at 2 a.m and then very fucked up and and yeah blow me yeah i'll meet a girl for brunch still ain't

05:12:58.580 getting pussy it's fucked up y'all can just be oh it's fucking 3 a.m okay uh denny's whatever okay

05:13:03.300 like i can get it super late as long as it's before two you go to a bar 2 a.m there's definitely some

05:13:07.860 50 year old lady on a sunday in a fucking avoiding going home to her husband drunk as

05:13:12.420 fuck you like you could definitely kill him she's like ah you remind me of my old husband

05:13:17.300 eugenia your rest of your notes here you're like you guess dating topics would be something like why

05:13:21.300 is there this meme-ified male loneliness epidemic narrative when men are the ones who are really

05:13:27.780 picky and easily turned off when it comes to women and are quick to ghost you think men are really picky

05:13:35.780 men are the picky ones i mean aren't you no more women are choosing i think women

05:13:40.820 are pickier than men generally speaking me i'm you're picky and there are a lot of men like you

05:13:53.460 yeah yeah exactly a lot of men like you yeah i'm not that picky i mean everyone has a right to be

05:13:59.380 picky i'm not saying it's a bad or a good thing i'm just saying men get disgusted easily

05:14:03.620 it sounds like a you problem yeah sure it's a me problem i get disgusted easily too like that that

05:14:13.700 meme you get the ick there's a reason like that meme went viral like you know of all the girls being

05:14:18.020 like the most dramatic ones obviously like i saw my boyfriend get in a car accident and it was so

05:14:22.900 gross the way he like died yeah it's like gave me my boyfriend died oh my gosh that's crazy i'm kidding

05:14:31.300 um but do you actually think that's the case that men are pickier do you think men are pickier than

05:14:37.700 women i mean my screenwriting uh teacher had a good saying he said every man has a woman and a dog

05:14:45.780 who'll love him i don't know if the same can be said for women that every woman has a man no that's not

05:14:52.420 a great thing to say but uh just like every man will find a woman willing to you know to show to look

05:15:00.660 after him wait is somebody breathing all over the mic is that me am i doing that somebody people in

05:15:07.300 the chat are saying stop breathing am i dudes i don't know if it's me maybe it's somebody else oh

05:15:13.380 my goodness is it me chat am i the one who's breathing or is it somebody else chair two okay

05:15:21.540 because you're so mean that's what that's what they're fucking saying i know i know they're not

05:15:25.460 i was talking to chat not you guys chair two okay all right uh your phd program at glasgow

05:15:33.140 did i say right glasgow glasgow glasgow glasgow university in film studies with concentration

05:15:39.300 in feminist film theory theory and female erotic gaze what what's that

05:15:45.780 what is it what is female erotic gaze um well that's why i'm looking at those three filmmakers that

05:15:52.660 i mentioned before because i'm arguing that they have what's called a reciprocal erotic gaze

05:16:01.620 in the reverse okay you said you're an american though based in nyc and sometimes visiting la

05:16:07.300 your positions aren't that common in liberal feminism as you're more of a second wave leaning feminist

05:16:12.340 and oriented towards liberation versus equality with men so can you explain that liberation versus

05:16:19.780 equality what's what do you mean um the equality thing is uh it's based on what right there's

05:16:27.780 has to be a context there i don't think like we've been talking about there isn't

05:16:34.420 men and women are different i do believe that in essential ways so what is this equality thing like

05:16:41.060 that whole argument about this conscription was based on that idea that women are inherently different

05:16:46.660 therein they shouldn't be in the military so again the equality argument doesn't work

05:16:52.180 um so yeah the liberation works better as in women just have a right to their own self and to be who

05:16:59.700 they are that's what i mean and they don't need to live in the eye or the you know they don't need to

05:17:12.420 live under the watchful eye and gaze of men they can live their own life without constantly worrying

05:17:18.980 what men will think about them i love that for you um so okay that's cool uh you also said you have

05:17:25.620 nothing against the lgbtq movement but you don't believe men can become women and should be included in

05:17:33.300 women's movements i think there can be a third thing they can be the their own thing doesn't happen

05:17:40.420 men's lib men's liberation yeah exactly he's part of your movement no men's liberation is not men's

05:17:47.860 rights okay men's liberate don't you want to be free of women aren't we annoying what no see this is

05:17:54.660 clearly not like i i this is what's always interesting to me when it comes to these conversations people

05:18:00.020 maybe have this misjudgment that i like dislike or hate women i think women are great i don't always

05:18:06.740 agree with them on everything especially the ones that come on the show but i would never say like

05:18:11.380 there's a lot of misand okay i don't know why you're laughing but i would never say for example

05:18:15.460 that i hate women or all women are trash or whereas i see a lot of rhetoric coming from feminists

05:18:21.220 you just insulted all of us how did that's why i was laughing it was funny what how did i insult

05:18:31.220 everybody it's because the show invites like you said you invite women on the show who you

05:18:35.300 dislike no don't don't agree with there's a big difference between dislike and disagree

05:18:39.780 all right all right yeah it's getting late i'm not hearing things correctly it invites conversation

05:18:44.980 that's the whole point yeah so i would never ever say that i hate women or like make broad generalizations

05:18:53.060 in terms of like having like saying women are trash never say it completely abhor and i i would counter

05:18:59.860 men who use that kind of language uh whereas there are a bunch of feminists who are openly misandrist

05:19:06.500 who will say men are trash i hate all men blah blah blah and feminists will make will do a defense of

05:19:12.020 this sort of thing saying that this sort of thing is okay or it's not really that bad misandry isn't a

05:19:17.460 big deal so that's a huge differential i think women are great uh again there are specific women that i

05:19:22.820 don't agree with but and i think also i mean look we've all had bad like experiences when it comes

05:19:31.940 to dating i think i've actually of the women i have had long-term relationships with almost all of them

05:19:38.500 have been really wonderful women and i really don't have anything negative to say about them

05:19:43.460 sometimes relationships don't work there's like one or two girls i've had some bad experiences with

05:19:47.780 but i would not ever paint like all women are bad because i've had one two or three bad experiences

05:19:53.700 with some like this group of women so i just want to i feel like i've actually never put that out there

05:19:59.700 but some people are like brian you're such a misogynist and they have this warped perception of me

05:20:04.500 but i can categorically state here that that's absolutely just not the case

05:20:11.060 no idea where the fuck i was going with that but i hate men and you don't hate women yeah i don't hate

05:20:16.820 men yeah chill out lady that's not what i was getting to you set them up or something oh the

05:20:22.020 men's oh no okay i remember where this stems from the men's liberation thing so men's rights and men's

05:20:26.740 liberation are separate so men's liberation is uh male advocacy through the lens of feminist ideology

05:20:34.900 and rhetoric which i think is a terrible lens to attempt to advocate for men through so i believe that

05:20:41.700 there should be a separation between men's liberation and men's rights advocacy okay and

05:20:47.460 i'm i'm in the camp of men's rights advocacy men's lib is feminine is men's advocacy through the lens of

05:20:55.300 feminism which is so what what are the men's rights that you're what are the rights that you don't have

05:21:03.140 no what are the right what are the rights you don't have so men's rights advocacy yeah is is

05:21:09.940 sort of a umbrella term that would i'm playing the villain don't you want that yeah men's rights advocacy

05:21:17.300 doesn't always necessarily like not every grievance that men deal with specifically have to do with

05:21:23.940 rights as granted by the government but for example i'll give you a couple i guess rights related here so

05:21:29.380 we've already talked about most of them actually so there would be certain like uh laws as it relates

05:21:34.420 to family law so okay if we're talking about custody unfair custody laws unfair child support laws unfair

05:21:40.980 alimony laws these would relate to certain rights uh for example lack of uh parental rights lack of father's

05:21:47.460 rights as it relates to access to their children uh there are some differences that can be made there

05:21:52.500 we already talked about circumcision this isn't specifically a right but what i would say is

05:21:58.660 the government restricts female genital mutilation and that what i what i would like to see the

05:22:04.500 excuse me what i would like to see the government do is pass laws that restrict uh male genital

05:22:10.660 mutilation or circumcision so that's sort of a little bit within the realms of rights force uh the draft

05:22:17.540 selective service this is also a rights component and then uh what's the other one um i would like to see

05:22:24.820 perhaps uh fairness and equality when it comes to uh prosecution of crimes between men and women

05:22:33.300 and the uh prison sentences that are uh given i think there should be more fair okay well i don't

05:22:41.220 disagree with men having parental rights or the prison sentencing so there's not an argument there i'm just

05:22:50.100 saying men can have rights and women can have rights and one doesn't have to come at the expense of the

05:22:56.660 other i mean i would actually argue that feminists tend to view things much more through the lens of a

05:23:01.860 zero-sum game than then well i'm not i'm not your straw man feminist that you want to build up i don't

05:23:07.300 know i'm not your straw man whatever whatever you've been trying to build up all night i i was simply

05:23:12.340 pointing certain things out it's fine okay cool yeah um so i don't want to derail too much on that

05:23:19.140 but i'll continue on with your notes here so you're against like uh you're not in favor of the the tea

05:23:25.620 stuff basically i mean i'm fine with everyone living their life the way they want to live it i just don't

05:23:31.940 see why it has to be at the expense of someone else can you open the door neck um right but you so

05:23:37.940 you'd probably be against uh men competing in women's sports like transgender women i guess

05:23:44.420 yeah they should have their own league or something all right well i mean yeah perhaps we

05:23:49.460 one point of agreement we might have uh you think you said that you think current feminist movement has

05:23:54.420 lost the thread and needs to return to a concept of liberation oh okay versus seeking equality with

05:24:00.260 men you relate somewhat with the feminism of someone like camille poglia where she believes in amazonian

05:24:06.420 feminism and then women wow i wrote all of that should be more self-possessed and that me too

05:24:10.820 movement accomplish very little you also strongly relate to the okay i'm not going to get into that

05:24:16.020 um reclaiming the power of sex and female desire okay that's just what my stuff is about at the

05:24:26.260 and then you said you're more radically feminist than probably most of the women who have been on your

05:24:30.340 show so how are you radically feminist well because of the focus on equality that is generally

05:24:36.020 liberal feminism uh and mine is a different focus what is radical about it um

05:24:45.940 i don't know i just think a lot of women spend their life concerned with

05:24:54.500 how they're living it in the eyes of men and that i feel should be not something that women spend their

05:24:59.940 life uh living their life that way i'm trying to be moderate here okay so you're saying like

05:25:04.980 de-centering men yeah something like that yeah okay so what does that look like and why is it radical

05:25:13.620 i think i was kidding like i was exaggerating you know like when you were doing the hypothetical

05:25:19.140 about matriarchy in my hypothetical that was a joke joke world yeah i would love a you know a

05:25:26.660 handmaid's tale from men or whatever you know that's it was a joke it was a joke no but you you wrote

05:25:32.420 here i was joking that you're it's not realistic it's not realistic i just yeah that's fine um okay

05:25:41.540 uh let's see here okay we did did that we got to do whoops can you stop drawing things i know it's

05:25:49.540 crazy abuse very abusive very sexist uh elizabeth okay um you said you're no longer doing only fans no

05:25:58.420 longer dancing uh okay that's cool w four four kids four baby daddies we talked about that i'm

05:26:06.980 pretty sure um are you looking for like a number five or what's up my tubes are tied oh tubes tied

05:26:12.820 okay obviously no i so i stopped i got my daughter to boston so i stopped dancing and doing of just like i

05:26:20.900 said i said i would um and then yeah no i'm just i'm getting ready to go back to school in august

05:26:27.860 and sure yeah okay you fixed her nice whatever i'm just kidding um you say that you may not be

05:26:35.460 living a traditional lifestyle but doesn't mean you don't long for that and you're trying to get to

05:26:39.940 that point you wrote why women are looked down upon for doing sex work but the men that funded

05:26:44.580 didn't fund it excuse me aren't looked down upon yeah that bothers me so okay when you say funded do

05:26:51.780 you mean like the men who purchase who purchase the content we talk about the traditional adult content

05:26:57.540 industry where like most of the pornography producers were men or whatever well i'm i'm talking

05:27:03.220 more like with only fans and like at strip clubs how the dancers are looked down upon the content

05:27:09.940 creators are looked down upon yeah but yeah the men that make the the whole industry viable they don't

05:27:19.060 nothing gets said about them what do you mean they're fucking simps i look down on them

05:27:24.420 yeah but as a society i don't think that it gets talked about wait wait hold on okay from

05:27:29.060 a couple different angles here i think other men are gonna clown on other dudes who are like

05:27:35.460 fucking gooner porn addicts like actually like if we're talking about masculine men they're gonna

05:27:42.500 look down on fucking gooners and then two women themselves will commonly say and this is across

05:27:49.220 the political spectrum whether i think you're a conservative woman or liberal women i think a lot

05:27:54.020 of women say yeah i don't want to date a guy who watches porn okay but like who's the people that go

05:27:58.660 in the show lots of like hold on that's crazy lots of women say they don't want to date a guy who

05:28:02.500 watches porn that's crazy why is that crazy okay but you're a gooner you're in a polycule i'm not

05:28:08.500 a gooner you're a fucking gooner i am literally not a gooner you're a gooner no but also there

05:28:12.020 you fucked a homeless guy sorry dude okay he's a struggling artist just until his career took

05:28:16.980 off okay listen he was funny too comedians have i ever been with the homeless one nope oh wait hold

05:28:22.900 on she was in between places but whatever exactly just kidding listen he was in between you know

05:28:28.500 here in sardom so okay but so i think men like there's a there's literally a term that shames

05:28:35.460 these kind of their simps yes trust me you can have it both ways where there's like a pornography

05:28:40.420 epidemic and oh my god everyone is going i hear that all the time like maybe not here but like on

05:28:46.660 grids panels they're like there's this huge porn epidemic you can't be like it's a small niche

05:28:50.500 community of guys that we look down upon and have an epidemic i think we can maybe test this super

05:28:55.940 simply what do you think in comparison is worse a woman who makes releases one video of

05:29:07.780 i'll be fair releases one video of her doing a bg scene a boy girl scene so like hardcore sex

05:29:14.580 versus a guy who one time like one time watches that scene and be paying for it

05:29:20.980 sure he paid 20 bucks to get access to the i mean the girl boy is obviously worse but i feel like

05:29:27.860 if it's like so there's scales to it yeah 100 i don't know because it's like people i did only fans

05:29:36.180 and people would pay me just to pay me essentially but like it would bother me too because since

05:29:41.940 pornography is free so like yeah that's weird as fuck in my head i was like you're paying me for what

05:29:47.380 when you can like get it for free somewhere else i mean look there's there's a scale to it though like

05:29:51.700 some some young guy who paid 10 bucks once to subscribe to a girl's only fans for one month

05:29:58.500 like that's a really small scale compared to some of the whales that spent thousands and thousands and

05:30:03.780 thousands of dollars on of or like i don't know i think there's scales to it there's levels to it i would

05:30:09.060 not categorize a guy who like one time uh i i don't think they should do it but i wouldn't be like oh my

05:30:15.620 god you're you're uh this one time you you bought like you spent ten dollars on it would you call

05:30:21.780 them a sim uh in j i don't think in general i wouldn't call them a simp i mean there would be

05:30:27.860 other factors but like a guy one time purchased a effort spent ten bucks uh that specific action

05:30:36.340 not ideal but to broadly categorize him as a simp probably not but like a guy a repeating

05:30:42.420 pattern of behavior probably a simp like if he's if he's spending monthly and it's an ongoing thing

05:30:50.020 and he's spending like i don't know the auto page 100 100 bucks a month on corn yeah kind of a

05:30:56.820 i don't know if i wrote this in but i think a big problem with that too is the instant gratification

05:31:01.620 that society has now um is a really big problem in the dating scene but ideally if they are consuming

05:31:08.500 porn we'd want them to be paying for it right like because okay if we're talking about like

05:31:12.180 ethical consumption right if you're gonna watch it like ideally you'd be funding the creator so

05:31:16.980 why would we condemn them if it's like if anything that's like the ethical way to participate as a

05:31:21.220 men's rights activist you should be anti-porn because it's harming you it's harming men it's

05:31:27.220 giving them erectile dysfunction it's giving them porn brain it's ruining their sex life it's like brain rot

05:31:34.020 yeah i advocate for men to like to stop watching it oh you do okay yeah like i but i'm not going to

05:31:40.660 go to the extreme of like a guy who like occasionally watches it i don't think that's to the level of i

05:31:49.700 still i i still think it's less than ideal i don't think he should why but like i think yeah if you consume

05:31:57.460 like a video for 20 minutes while if you're a dude and you're fucking beating it or whatever like

05:32:03.220 every couple weeks like okay like i don't get why anyone would demonize watching porn that's crazy

05:32:06.820 like i don't think it's the same impact as a guy who's like who's addicted to the shit and it's

05:32:11.780 impacting his relationship me personally though i don't watch it at all i just haven't like

05:32:16.420 experienced anyone who's actually actually like genuinely addicted to it i feel like there's people

05:32:20.500 out there there's people i know that there's of uh stars right now that there's guys like buying

05:32:26.260 them houses and cars like one single person losers follow me on twitch

05:32:34.820 simps yeah they shouldn't do it um but yeah i i think men who are i think they get looked down

05:32:41.540 upon by both men and women the these like dudes who are like okay if a guy admitted to his friend

05:32:48.820 group hey but by the way i spend five hundred dollars a month yeah like being a pay pig for

05:32:56.020 some like of girl the dudes would absolutely clown him and i guarantee you if if he admitted that like

05:33:03.380 on first dates to women a lot of women are going to be like okay this guy's this guy's a clown i'm not

05:33:08.980 going to deal with that of course i think most girls are not going to be cool dating a dude who's

05:33:14.100 spending five hundred dollars a month on on ohef agreed yeah i agree most girls are going to clown

05:33:18.900 on him so i think it comes from both directions uh moving it on you wanted to okay we already did

05:33:23.460 the andrew thing uh you had two restraining orders on your ex did we talk about that last

05:33:28.500 show though okay uh okay that's that's cool okay so that's your notes we did sin kelly that's me

05:33:37.380 okay you oh no well you said you were in a poly relationship when you first messaged

05:33:41.860 but you got dumped or whatever yeah uh you got something about being nubed um yeah that was

05:33:47.780 okay yeah i literally and then you sent me some chat gpt shit but okay

05:33:54.660 whenever there's i mean i you it's actually frustrating you know you guys know what's chat gpt what's that

05:33:59.700 symbol where it's uh a double dash is that what's the double dash called chat what's the double dash

05:34:07.140 called like here i'll put in the chat this thing what's that what's that called chat

05:34:15.300 em dash i use that shit i've always used dashes when i'm messaging but now people think i'm using

05:34:23.940 chat gpt because i because chat gpt over uses dashes dashes like dashes like a dash i use that all

05:34:34.260 the time okay look at all my youtube video titles they all have dashes in them okay sure bro that

05:34:39.860 ass just kidding um okay so your community note on twitter wait shit vermilion stop trying to disparage

05:34:44.500 my name uh sorry vermilion i don't need ai you were minimized vermilion i don't know if you're still

05:34:51.060 here uh wait no but the the dumping okay literally i was like playing fortnite with this guy this is

05:34:57.540 why you shouldn't manifest like if you don't think you have power in your head literally the guy was

05:35:02.500 like so tripping about this guy yeah vermilion says sorry what oh sorry no you can't and you can't

05:35:08.420 like stream with him and then i ended up going to la and like hanging out with him and his friends

05:35:11.540 that weekend i forgot i love that for you um so okay you said you want that question why everyone

05:35:16.740 thinks men wait oh hold on here let's do this um you wanted to talk about men and their emotional

05:35:26.900 capacity um uh wait can you wrote read what i wrote in the elaboration sorry i know i'm sorry i'm

05:35:35.780 sorry i think i was like half faded when i first okay a specific disagreement i might have with the

05:35:39.700 show hosts is when male emotional detachment is framed as just a biological or inevitable

05:35:44.500 difference between genders i think it's more nuanced and heavily influenced by culture and

05:35:48.420 upbringing i'd be interested in unpacking that dynamic in conversation these are these are so much

05:35:54.580 cringier when he's like reading them back to in real time no i was just saying um like as far as

05:35:59.540 um like when you have sex like some people say that only women are like predisposed to

05:36:04.420 like whatever be chemically like bound to them or whatever and like i don't think it's like

05:36:10.740 inherently because like inherently um gendered i think like men obviously do too i think it's probably

05:36:19.060 just i'm sorry damn

05:36:22.500 rough got through it what i just said what no no i'm just saying like it's not like a gender thing that

05:36:29.380 when you have sex you're like bonded to someone oh i thought this was about you trying to suggest

05:36:35.540 that like men lack emotional right but that's what i'm saying like when they're like oh yeah after

05:36:40.580 women fuck like they're just emotionally attached and like men just don't have that emotional attachment

05:36:45.140 i'm like i don't think it's like that i think it's just like a societal thing

05:36:49.380 profound love it so uh all right final notes here from and then we need to get back we're finishing up

05:36:56.900 julie's notes here there's quite a bit so uh let's see what do you say to oh no we did that

05:37:05.220 uh julie you wanted to talk about marriage you're asking me if i'm okay with common law marriage

05:37:10.020 you'll never get married again via normal channels because of state involvement

05:37:15.300 uh you can also have additional info stated uh on the contract that's notarized and signed with your

05:37:21.460 partner and added to your ucc1 filing to address any stipulation so that's back to the secured what

05:37:28.580 is it secured credit what is it secured party creditor it doesn't it doesn't have to be in that

05:37:33.380 context you can do a common law marriage without that so it's just uh removing the state faux show um

05:37:39.940 okay um how does one meet people outside of dating apps if you don't go out often

05:37:45.860 uh you don't want to date you know you should uh julie you should um join uh

05:37:56.180 a comedy club club or something i don't know you should go to like a

05:38:03.140 i feel like salsa dancing like a trump rally or something q and they'd be all over politics

05:38:08.500 they'd be all over you okay uh let's see uh you you disagreed about my jake gyllenhaal rating as a

05:38:16.180 10 i you know honestly julie uh you know i don't know if i was was i claiming that jake gyllenhaal was

05:38:24.660 a 10 you always bring him up when you ask people to identify well because there was a girl there was

05:38:29.940 a girl on a show a couple weeks ago who said she she said she was a 10 and i asked her who's a guy who

05:38:36.820 you think is a 10 and i think she said jake gyllenhaal and i was like do you think you can

05:38:42.420 get jake gyllenhaal yeah i do recall that but you've also brought him up several times i don't

05:38:48.580 you know i don't i just cringe i don't know okay well what's a julie you know what's a 10 to you

05:38:54.900 a 10 um is nick a 10 well nick's very very handsome but he's not my like my type oh he's not

05:39:03.380 oh sorry nick sorry a little on the younger side he's too young for you what's the youngest you would

05:39:09.060 date asking for a friend

05:39:14.180 honestly since i've been i would say since i turned like 40 i've only had younger people interested in

05:39:20.820 me no i've never had any i mean not that there's been tons but no one my age or older um huh what

05:39:30.500 so wait the older guys they're not going for you they're what are they going for apparently not but

05:39:34.500 i'm not out and about very often you're not in the streets yeah i'm not in the streets you're not in

05:39:39.060 the streets actually my favorite guy right now is pedro pescal i think he's everyone's favorite um

05:39:46.260 your favorite pedro pescal but we go for like a paul walker before okay i know he's a bit soy but

05:39:54.100 whatever um okay so anyways uh you said oh these are your old notes you met someone tell me if we

05:39:59.940 went over these last show because if i recall last show we didn't get to get to some of your notes but

05:40:04.180 some of mine are boring after uh you read them back to me so oh damn she's like okay well i'll read

05:40:09.220 some and uh you you met someone on instagram five years ago he red-pilled you uh he you you talked every

05:40:18.900 day all day through for like five weeks he appeared to be very genuine made it seem as though he had so

05:40:24.900 many things in common you guys agreed to meet you drove to him in vegas damn okay then he said he had

05:40:30.580 a gambling tournament that same night and then you suggested we change the night but he didn't budge

05:40:35.860 and then he said he'd only be gone for a couple hours wait oh okay he told you he was going to take

05:40:42.420 you out you got there you guys did our thing oh okay so you met so you guys hooked up

05:40:50.980 ow yeah julie did you have carnal knowledge with vegas red pill guy i did yes wait hold on so soon

05:40:58.980 wait is he like a creator like content creator no no community no i'm trying to find everybody wait hold

05:41:09.460 on wait wait julie julie julie julie hold on you said that you disagreed with me on like not sleeping

05:41:15.940 with someone so quickly i did but earlier but i my like i said my views had changed since then

05:41:25.220 but also i did i did acknowledge if you're talking to that would be my exception if you're talking to

05:41:30.260 someone right all the time yeah for right you do okay so you do say here that you talked every day

05:41:38.020 day for five weeks like on the phone or what text no actually it was text because he never spoke on

05:41:45.060 the phone oh it was just messages but after three days no no but you you drove to see him in vegas

05:41:56.500 and then you okay so you went to his hotel room right or did he have a house out there or nope oh yeah i

05:42:03.060 didn't know anything about him he gave me a fake name um oh shit when i wait so question you go to

05:42:10.900 meet him at his hotel or whatever how soon from you meeting him to carnal knowledge what is the length

05:42:20.500 of time julie that elapsed i would say a solid five minutes wow the hypocrite

05:42:32.980 no i mean leave her alone

05:42:37.140 he said i would never after three dates want to i'm i'm speaking i'm speaking now so she said it took

05:42:42.100 about five minutes okay but talking consistently for five weeks she said texting not like texting

05:42:49.140 and phone calls and she didn't even know his name it was well i would at least do a little

05:42:54.260 conversation i know five minutes i would pull up to vegas they're like you want to gamble he's like

05:42:59.380 like i don't even know if i could like even if i'd been talking to a girl for a minute

05:43:04.420 like even i as the guy maybe this comes off kind of like lame or whatever i would need at least a

05:43:10.900 little bit of getting to know you yeah well we spent for five weeks literally talking but

05:43:16.820 texting is nothing he probably was using like an ai chat box did he lie about everything five years

05:43:22.900 ago nothing i mean there was you know there was some they weren't as good now but there was ai yeah

05:43:27.700 how'd you find out he lied yeah did he lie about everything well here i'll get into the rest of the

05:43:32.180 notes that that you provided you said so you did your thing you you show up you guys hook up within

05:43:37.460 five minutes of meeting vermilion looks like he has something on this uh so he wait question okay so

05:43:44.900 you show up five minutes later you guys have carnal knowledge was it good sorry that was fine

05:43:51.620 okay it wasn't i don't know that wasn't very convincing uh how soon after the sex does he dip

05:43:57.620 like right after 10 minutes was there maybe like was there obligatory post-sex cuddling or no maybe i

05:44:06.820 don't know 20 30 minutes oh oh my god you got done dirty i know i had known in advance oh my god

05:44:13.380 you're so nice and this guy just totally okay okay okay you over well wait hold on pause wait it's okay

05:44:19.220 uh so he left to go to his event you entertained yourself you used to love vegas you took yourself to

05:44:25.700 dinner talk you talked to a friend on the phone after about three and a half hours because you

05:44:30.260 were planning to meet back up with him after his event right right you start messaging him you thought

05:44:35.140 he wasn't coming back messages calls no answer seven and a half hours later he calls and threatens not

05:44:41.140 to come back because you're acting irrational no apology nothing he gets back and no sign of remorse

05:44:47.620 nothing the rest of the night was fun but he julie julie wait hold on you fucked him again julie julie oh

05:44:59.940 my god this was like my last my last uh lesson i thought before i had started speaking to him i thought

05:45:08.500 i'm good i've learned all these you know lessons and i'm wise this that and the other and i in my head i i

05:45:15.140 would look back and i think god was like girl we're gonna we're gonna give you a new lesson

05:45:20.420 question he calls you a rational blah blah blah you're maybe a little upset that he you're you're

05:45:27.300 under the impression maybe he he played you ghosted you but he does eventually way later show back up to

05:45:33.460 the hotel room how soon after you guys reconnected later on in the night did y'all have carnal knowledge

05:45:41.700 again i'm not sure probably minutes a little less than an hour i'm guessing okay and then was it was

05:45:53.620 it like uh was that it for the night and then did you guys have a some morning delight what the

05:45:59.300 fuck bars i thank you i think we were up for most of the night and then oh wow um

05:46:07.060 probably like slept a little bit in the morning and then um and then he had to he had to go he had

05:46:12.500 to run away and and i drove home oh my goodness run away is crazy wait so okay uh okay the rest of

05:46:20.020 the night was fun and then he left in the morning you drove back home wondering what the heck just

05:46:23.940 happened uh and then you you you said that you think he has to have autism yeah so so the reason

05:46:34.020 i shared this obviously i don't really prefer to share certain things but i was in your notes but

05:46:39.220 it was but it was fun i'm that's what you know we're supposed to do on the show anyway so um but no

05:46:44.260 that there so like i said he wouldn't change change the date had to be that day said he would only be

05:46:51.380 gone for like two and a half hours was gone for seven and a half was getting upset with me for

05:46:57.460 for being upset um came back the guy literally had zero emotion whatsoever like someone who

05:47:04.260 is not capable of empathy um you already got the prize and so something was off and so i thought okay

05:47:10.660 well it must be autism well it must be i mean i work in special ed um you know like it just something

05:47:18.420 something was going through my head okay something's wrong with this person so i start looking at

05:47:21.860 that up then more it crazy issues come up and i'm trying to figure out what it is i i didn't trust that

05:47:29.140 his name about that at that point was what he said it was so i start looking looking it up um in vegas

05:47:36.260 there's no one by that name um then i look up i don't know how i figured this out but um there's an

05:47:42.180 an area in vegas that has a park that's named by with the last name of what he gave me um there's

05:47:49.540 just i i can't even remember all the crazy he would send and i'm the idiot for falling into all this

05:47:54.340 nonsense so like that was my lesson but um i i wish i could remember all the crazy things that

05:48:01.780 transpired during this time but um anyway it was just a nutcase and i'm the nutcase for participating in

05:48:08.500 that for well you said that you later decided that he had disorganized detachment a list of

05:48:14.660 traits but standing out would be a lack of empathy and potential potential socio sociopath it'll be

05:48:21.220 too long if you go into too much detail long story short over the next five to six months you drove out

05:48:26.260 to see him another five or six times nearly everything it was good then it was that's dedication

05:48:35.460 mentally that's dedication mentally intoxicating yeah go with that uh wow okay um wait is this the

05:48:43.300 guy you recently no no digmatized digmatized yes that's what happened indeed um wow but see

05:48:53.220 you gotta understand julie this is why this is what i was arguing about with you saying you're not

05:48:59.380 sleeping with someone as quickly as you expect to be fair look i i understand you're saying well for five

05:49:05.460 five weeks you guys have been texting back and forth uh i think that you know that that does build

05:49:12.740 rapport right you didn't just meet him at a bar and fuck him within five minutes i mean i had developed

05:49:18.500 some fairly decent strong feelings by by that time but you know a guy looks at this and it's like okay well

05:49:26.340 i don't know it's a little bit like

05:49:32.020 like the next guy you make wait he hears this story it's like hold on you fuck this guy right away

05:49:39.060 basically i mean like i said that that is the exception um would be getting to know someone in that

05:49:47.540 amount of detail i mean okay you got done dirty though julie did you e-sext well i mean i i'm an

05:49:54.420 idiot so i mean i take ownership of my poor choice did you have like discord sex before you had real

05:50:00.180 sex you know it's not like did you have like discord remote sex before you had real sex i don't know

05:50:04.420 what she's okay did you have like facetime sex before skype sex i'm sorry are you a millennial or

05:50:09.540 you're millennial right are you millennial or i'm i'm 80 so i'm like julie you age so well i'm like

05:50:16.740 god damn oh thank you god damn chat is she because you're 45 right are you millennial or gen x i'm not

05:50:25.220 right x is after the later one i think you're gen x which one she makes my ex husband's 49. vermillion

05:50:31.940 says that the guy had some kind of cluster b disorder all right i guess we're okay i don't know um

05:50:38.420 um oh no julie i'm just saying damn that's that's crazy julie what's going on julie

05:50:47.860 that's dedication though i mean that's dedication i used to be i used to be the type of person who

05:50:52.500 wanted to fix people so i knew that there was something not right but at that point i had developed

05:50:58.260 these feelings and i believe that i could fix people now i don't want anything to do with anyone who

05:51:03.220 has issues retweet okay all right you said sometimes you say that i guess this is moving

05:51:09.860 off of that topic sometimes you say that responses are wrong but don't provide how you think it should

05:51:16.100 be for example what do you think the trade-off exchange should be for chivalry did we talk about

05:51:23.540 that last time yeah i i think since since i wrote that i kind of changed my perspective on that you do you

05:51:29.940 do explain things at times not always right you said things that you bring to the table for a man

05:51:35.780 what you think a woman should bring to the table uh and you said that this might not be all encompassing

05:51:41.780 you said this is what you bring a smile on your face each and every emphasis on every time he comes

05:51:47.940 home from slash finish it finishes work wherever he comes home from like a puppy waiting at the door for

05:51:54.980 him uh to your man you are honor solace solace grace desire creator of life nurture submissive

05:52:02.740 excitement shoulder passion soul bearer confidant i'm his best friend in essence i am home

05:52:14.340 does that resonate with any of the other women at the table it's an a1 advertisement that's nice why

05:52:19.460 wouldn't you want to be why wouldn't you want to i'm just the hot mess express if he's all those

05:52:23.540 things back yeah yeah i agree i hope you find the one you're looking for julie felicity is she here

05:52:32.580 where is she at i need to get up for a moment uh i think flip felicity is going to take over felicity

05:52:39.140 sorry i'm fucking slowing my words at this point uh there's some other stuff we can get into

05:52:43.860 hold on could you stay with a woman who couldn't uh men should be on the pet you men should be on the

05:52:53.380 pedestal yeah i agree well well put uh the bad boy theory makes sense you think it's just misguided and

05:53:06.180 the reason behind it is because women like confident dominant men

05:53:12.580 that's not i i think that that that is the idea behind it it's not that that women really want

05:53:18.500 an actual bad boy who's messing around doing whatever but it's that it's the way they carry

05:53:23.620 themselves dominant etc all right i need to get up for a bit felicity is going to take over um this is

05:53:29.140 an opportunity for anybody on the panel if you want to weigh in does this go past 11.

05:53:36.180 yeah we probably got another hour or so yeah i blame it mostly on you though for you know just

05:53:42.580 all that bad faith argumentation and yeah you weren't tit for tat with bad faith good talk

05:53:54.020 okay so open open panel let's go you know i know i know that we got some feminists here i'd love to see

05:54:00.900 you know you not looking to the man to you know carry the conversation like you know

05:54:06.180 sorry is your back what do you want us to talk about yeah i'm kind of like yeah my back is hurting

05:54:09.940 carrying this fucking yeah conversation uh but i'm opening it up to you guys to

05:54:18.340 word wait wait let's do a test okay go

05:54:22.260 my ex did try to contact me oh wow see you're undercutting guys what's your biggest regret

05:54:30.580 you're undercutting my ex that i just said go then you undercut just trying and trying to just contact

05:54:37.780 me just to you know you know that guy yeah that guy different numbers i changed my number i blocked

05:54:43.300 them off everything emails pinterest everything any stuff on my that's commitment

05:54:47.860 i didn't know my number yeah how did you find out he was i don't think this is crazy so

05:54:53.620 his stepdaughter was the one that because i didn't have social media at this time you know so i was off

05:54:59.380 social media for like a year and a half during our relationship um which was one of the ones that he

05:55:05.380 asked also so then um what reason why the only reason why i had facebook messengers because my kids

05:55:13.060 don't need to contact their father and they didn't have phones at that time so at that time um

05:55:17.860 i would post like certain pictures and i guess the stepdaughter like found it and she messaged me

05:55:24.500 and yeah everything you should probably keep like wait you like in messenger you said yeah like

05:55:31.700 facebook messenger i was like i didn't use facebook i had deleted it but i kept

05:55:35.540 that and she found it that shit's fucking traumatizing though i'm like dude yeah yeah yeah so what did she

05:55:41.380 say to you so she told me that like he's been married for 18 years they live in the inland empire

05:55:47.860 and he was like here i live in istale so i'm like damn you live far you know and and he worked like

05:55:54.340 in van nuys and she said that they've been married for 18 years she still showed me their wedding rings

05:55:59.220 the most recent pictures together and stuff like that so i was like wow all right hands up if you've

05:56:03.940 walked i got on a leash yeah but as soon as i found out i was over it like no yeah

05:56:09.140 yeah that's how did you meet no well my ex-husband was he's pretty cool he's a good dad and everything

05:56:15.060 can't knock him for it did you tell the dude's wife well i told the stepdaughter and yeah just

05:56:20.900 hope for the best i sent her pictures of all of us together why would you send that to the kids

05:56:25.780 she asked no that's fucked up she wanted proof no then you send it to the fucking the mother

05:56:30.980 the wife was there i never talked i never spoke to the wife it doesn't matter that's actually

05:56:34.660 really i don't care i was her and everybody was gonna be her i don't care how old was she

05:56:38.660 everybody was gonna be her how old was she she was 19 she's not a kid she doesn't know about what

05:56:44.020 dad's doing over here so so i sent her pictures and apparently when we went to a trip to mexico

05:56:49.620 it wasn't his wife's birthday yeah why are you laughing you ruined that trip crazy like i was like

05:56:56.260 what the hell like it just shot yeah i know i didn't even know until you know she told me that's my

05:57:01.780 that's my mom's birthday i was like well that's i literally had that happened to me one time with a

05:57:06.340 fucking co-worker that i was like we were kind of flirty or whatever it was like not anything

05:57:10.820 serious but there was like a party that was like not officially work related and whatever he was

05:57:16.020 like everyone's kind of drunk we end up like kissing in the kitchen like a bunch of people saw it and

05:57:20.340 like five minutes later our other co-worker like pulled up and like they like she pulled up and they

05:57:25.460 instantly start acting like a couple and everyone like knew they were dating so everyone at the party is

05:57:29.860 like feeling super awkward until like yeah like someone ended up telling the girl but

05:57:33.780 it fucked up fucked up shit icky anyone else been a homewrecker accidental homewrecker yeah

05:57:40.660 honestly i got played once i was talking to this guy for a while and and he used to like come by and

05:57:45.380 hang out all the time and then i found out like i got i got a text from his phone once and there was

05:57:52.340 this girl saying like i live with this guy i was like oh shit that was gross to me i ran away from that

05:57:58.260 i fucked that close those doors yeah nobody wants i mean can't say nobody but you shouldn't want to be

05:58:05.140 a homewrecker that's pretty fucking awful no because i know because i was married you know i was divorced

05:58:09.220 and everything when i got into a relationship with him it's fucked up that's a lot of it seems like a

05:58:14.740 lot of work i know a lot of work but i'm like damn okay okay you raise a little bar you know it's okay

05:58:21.540 what you're willing to do you gotta deal with two girls i wish you would have waited though to be

05:58:26.180 honest because that would be in a car dude i swear i've only not been oh sorry go ahead i feel like

05:58:30.740 it's more messed up in your situation because like your kids were involved on god yeah like

05:58:35.060 somebody else's kids is crazy yeah yeah like how are you gonna like act like a daddy they didn't know

05:58:40.820 him but it was never like he never played stepdad they never gave him that position as a as the

05:58:46.420 stepdad because they have a dad already yeah yeah yeah so it was never really like an an issue like

05:58:51.300 that you know how long did you wait before you introduced them

05:58:57.780 six eight months i think it was a while they spoke like i spoke and they they knew that i was talking

05:59:06.020 to somebody but you know it wasn't like that after martin i've only not been cheated on one time like

05:59:13.380 throughout my relationship history i'm like i might um i know i'm like so i tried polyamity

05:59:19.300 i'm like oh my god guaranteed to get cheated i haven't cheated well has anyone ever cheated no but

05:59:26.740 my most recent partner literally acted like i was i did one time but i knew i was being cheated on

05:59:32.340 i hate that cheated on him back yeah and then i felt really guilty and i ended the relationship

05:59:36.340 like i couldn't know the guilt did you come clean you knew and i he made it pretty obvious that he

05:59:43.300 was cheating and then like i did it back and then i like like within a month i was like making myself

05:59:49.060 sick because i felt so guilty and i said to this day he doesn't know i cheated how did he make it

05:59:54.020 obvious like so i was living with him and he would come home with like marks on him and i was in denial

06:00:00.980 i was like he's not cheating and like he he definitely wasn't because as soon as we broke

06:00:05.620 up he came to me like a month later and was like oh this girl's pregnant and it was the same girl that

06:00:10.340 he was cheating on me with she was like four months pregnant marks as in like like hickeys and stuff

06:00:15.620 like on his chest oh no i think even like a couple scratches you ask him what is that he was mean i

06:00:21.300 didn't hey how'd you get this lipstick on your end yeah it wasn't he wasn't a guy that you can like

06:00:26.180 ask questions to like he was very like confrontational so it's just easier to not

06:00:32.980 i'm glad you're free now phrase a word a long time ago yeah yeah that's wild

06:00:39.700 did i already ask has anyone else been cheated on

06:00:44.100 you said you've been cheated on yeah like every single relationship i've been in i'm like and i feel

06:00:48.820 like you i like my first serious relationship obviously i tried to like make shit work but with

06:00:54.980 my i feel like i don't know i don't know what do you is that like a common experience have you guys

06:01:00.020 been cheated on a lot the guy that i'm currently with is the only like serious relationship i've

06:01:04.500 been in that's never did me dirty like that swear yeah yeah i'm like maybe uh maybe maybe i should

06:01:11.940 date 50 year olds some shitty people they're all gina everyone you gotta go 50 plus i well to be

06:01:18.020 fair i've only dated like four or five people i'm like silly odds on that the polycule seems like the

06:01:23.700 natural progression i'm like okay cool so if this is just if this is just like how the like the way

06:01:28.020 life is i'm like did you like see the red flags as red flags or did you just like go with it

06:01:32.740 like the homeless and dude it was all literally supposed to be

06:01:37.300 fucking ironic like it was supposed to be a bit like i like i said earlier i was streaming like

06:01:41.700 when i found out he was down to like be as like stupid and like irl stream and do embarrassing

06:01:46.980 stuff i was like oh my god this is equally embarrassing he's like a struggling stand-up you know

06:01:51.620 and we were just going on dates we were hanging out like we weren't even hooking up and then just

06:01:55.380 like i don't know like one night i was like they're kind of cute is he like a famous comedian

06:02:03.940 no they're not going to be what's the difference between a polycule and a thruple in your case which

06:02:09.220 in your case i don't even know that you could justify that as being either since you weren't

06:02:13.060 yeah i'm like i don't even know i don't sound like it sounds more like he just made it up so

06:02:18.580 we can date two women i swear it's literally like i they were just practicing an open relationship

06:02:22.980 it just blows my mind that both of them have like self-identified as like polyamorous for so long i'm

06:02:26.900 like i feel like we don't need to always stick a label on everything i'm like it sounds like you're

06:02:30.420 just kind of casually dating people like you don't got to be like swingers no because swingers it

06:02:35.780 entails like apparently i just found this out recently all this terminology and stuff but swingers

06:02:40.100 entails that it's like a married couple and they're like a team and they like do it together like

06:02:44.740 they're with other yeah locked in yeah like we're that's why people use i guess the poly label more

06:02:50.980 but i'm like really they just wanted like an open relationship but they like the person told me

06:02:55.700 straight up that they didn't want to hear if i started they're like do you think you're going

06:02:59.380 to start dating someone i'm like the first month i'm like no i'm just getting to know you and like

06:03:03.540 coming to terms with this idea you know and then they're like well i wouldn't want to hear about

06:03:07.060 it if you did i'm like well what the am i doing then like so open relationship right i swear

06:03:11.620 they're just like why was he living with his girlfriend it's i don't know honestly yeah it

06:03:18.820 just when we would get in a fight they'd go over that way and then i swear when they'd get in a

06:03:22.340 fight come over this way are you a swinger no have you ever tried no no never not even in that

06:03:29.060 bdsm relationship that was one like the road like i'm very monogamous so the first time i don't like

06:03:33.540 sharing either the first time we were all out together i literally like puked in a bush behind

06:03:37.780 the comedy club because it was just like so awkward because it was just awkward i was like

06:03:42.020 we're all three standing dramatic no it was like tension bringing because like austin had to

06:03:50.100 do you think maybe that was your body's like response to not feeling right being in that

06:03:54.660 probably that's just stress it's stress it was literally just because like he'd go to like didn't

06:04:00.740 want to show like one of us affection at a time so it's like but he'd go to put his arm around like

06:04:05.460 both of us i'm like stop you you're like a pimp right now this looks weird all your friends are

06:04:09.780 like staring at us like this is awkward you know i couldn't do it but i wanted us to go all together

06:04:14.420 because i'm like i know you bring either of us to the like to the comedy clubs and stuff at a time

06:04:18.900 i'm like i want the other girls that see me one night and then like the other girl like the next night

06:04:24.100 i want them to know that i know that i'm not a fool you know i don't know i have a question for you

06:04:29.380 guys how tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would date and five four and five seven

06:04:36.740 five eight okay what about you uh five ten okay this is blaring in my eyes um yeah eye level i prefer

06:04:51.060 eye level so how tall are you again five ten okay so five ten so yeah anything eye level and over

06:04:59.380 okay word i'm five seven and i'd probably say like five nine actually probably five ten i could

06:05:05.380 like at least wear a kitten heel you know you're five seven yeah oh you look shorter i actually i

06:05:11.860 got hit by a car last month and i lost a millimeter of height i like broke my neck like not ironically

06:05:16.660 so i i should probably remeasure i hope i'm still five seven millimeters and is it gonna

06:05:23.300 i mean i'm five five and i thought you and i were like the same no way this is slander this is slander

06:05:28.660 i'm tall i'm probably five eight actually offensive i'm super tall no i'm just kidding

06:05:33.380 there's like a thing with me in my chat they're always saying that i look short oh yeah okay what

06:05:38.500 about you i'm like five ten and i want someone that's taller than me so like five eleven to six

06:05:43.540 foot okay and what about you i'm five five and a half so probably like five six five seven

06:05:49.780 okay what about you um i'm five four and just be taller than me so five five five five short kings

06:05:59.700 hit her up i'm five two um my preference is about six feet but i dated shorter so five seven and up but

06:06:09.540 i'm five five and um probably like five eight i'd say all right what would you want the minimum

06:06:16.900 yearly income to be for your future husband like the regular like 80 70 80 000 a year okay what about

06:06:25.860 you there's no preference in my mind so i don't know what if he worked at like a fast food place

06:06:35.380 he'd have to be very good looking with a big dick

06:06:37.940 but i thought there's no preference well you know there's subtlety to everything so he can work

06:06:46.820 at like kfc or something yeah sure okay they tell good jokes dude he looks like you know a movie star

06:06:54.580 yeah he can work at kfc i want them to at least make as much as me i want them to make like 90k plus

06:07:00.820 ideally i want them to like smoke me i want like 160k guy but i mean it depends on where we live and stuff

06:07:07.540 too where are you from i'm from san diego oh okay mine's probably like as long as we're stable

06:07:15.460 i have four kids so as long as we are like a stable household it doesn't matter okay so

06:07:21.860 where where do you live again arizona okay so whatever is like average over there yeah okay i

06:07:27.060 don't know so like yeah i don't know what about you i agree with the same thing as long as you're in

06:07:32.820 like a stable like happy home i don't think it matters and you live in santa barbara yeah i know

06:07:38.820 i'm working three jobs myself so you're like my yeah i'm always gonna work though so i like working

06:07:45.700 it keeps my mind like it's just yeah i like working so okay what about you um i would say around what i

06:07:55.060 make as well um i don't need them to be making a significant amount more than me but what's that

06:08:01.940 um i don't really want to say what i make what's like a range it's under 100 000 okay what about you

06:08:11.540 um i think living in california if it's uh dual income i would say 80 and then if it's just a single

06:08:18.340 income um i would say between 150 and 200 okay what about you i mean i'm in new york so

06:08:28.420 like the thing is i don't really i don't mind if you work at a fucking restaurant but as long as

06:08:34.900 you're actively trying to do something significantly better than that actively trying then you know you're

06:08:42.100 basically taking a bet on somebody anyway so it doesn't really matter as long as you intend on and

06:08:47.460 are actively working towards better than that then cool what if he's just with you till he levels up

06:08:53.620 and then he's out well i mean it's a gamble you take when you're trying to be in a committed

06:08:58.740 relationship with somebody isn't it true so like olive garden is okay if again like if you have some

06:09:04.500 other venture that you're like look i work here now but i'm i'm really this is what i'm really

06:09:08.180 trying to put together and you're not just talking about it i see you actively working at it then

06:09:12.900 that's a gamble i'll take if i like you just wait till my surf punk band takes off babe

06:09:18.500 that's not really you know i'm kidding it's not too good is it just wait till my comedy career takes

06:09:23.940 off wow you guys are so shy now that brian's gone what happened i think we're getting tired

06:09:31.060 it's past 11 we were told 11 i think yeah we have energy drinks back there guys um would you rather

06:09:38.020 cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike a man a bear i'm sorry

06:09:47.300 okay what about you chair two

06:09:50.740 neither is that an option why why neither i just want a peaceful hike

06:09:58.020 i mean you see men on hikes all the time right yes i do yeah random men yeah i've been on a hike

06:10:05.620 once we're in vancouver and there was a random guy and i did not i turned around and went back

06:10:11.700 so were you thinking like i wish this was a bear like i said neither really

06:10:19.780 what if like it was in an elevator

06:10:22.180 well i prefer a man in an elevator yeah unless it was a circus bear or something yeah

06:10:26.740 a circus bear i mean i don't know why a bear would be in an elevator it's just a hypothetical okay

06:10:36.020 do you wish like nick and brian were replaced with bears would that make you happier a trained circus

06:10:42.820 bear yeah bears are not trained all the time they do oh yeah okay then i prefer them

06:10:49.220 you would prefer who brian okay good okay what about you what are you reading i'm feeling like

06:10:56.420 we could all take the bear what are you wearing i brought you a copy how to fight a bear and win

06:11:00.580 dude oh okay there we go i'm feeling like we could i don't want to fight the bear i don't even like

06:11:05.140 changing the light bulb excuse me i said i don't even like changing the light it depends on what needs

06:11:09.540 to get done in the room so what is what is your option or what do you pick a man obviously

06:11:16.180 okay well with a man yeah what were you gonna say with certain bears i forgot which type there's

06:11:22.900 something you can do to you know not have them attack you you can i think lay down or either i

06:11:29.940 forgot what it is i forgot if it's stand up or lay down i can yell at a black bear but they still

06:11:35.460 will try to attack yeah no i'm joking black but i've been in the woods with black bears they're not

06:11:40.500 very aggressive a grizzly you're okay oh yeah but a black bear i've yelled at them and they ran off

06:11:45.300 oh yeah black bears on a hiking trail right then like it'd be normal to see a guy but if i'm in the

06:11:50.820 absolute middle of nowhere i'd probably rather see a black bear but uh if it's a brown bear or a guy

06:11:58.180 then definitely a guy yeah that makes why the bear over the man at all because with a bear you like

06:12:04.980 she said the black bear they usually go through trash like i said hiking trail is normal to see a

06:12:09.300 guy i don't care if i see a guy in a hiking trail i'm in the middle of miles and miles from land what the

06:12:14.900 hell is this guy doing in the middle of woods a bear i can understand well i mean yeah i've been

06:12:20.820 exploring the wilderness there's a reason for bears to be there yeah there's like it's like it makes

06:12:26.100 kind of more sense for a bear to be there than a man a grizzly but hell no yeah it's just random

06:12:31.860 are we on a hiking trail or am i like 50 miles i have a better bet that my stun gun is gonna work

06:12:37.620 what is a man doing rather than a bear what am i doing there right okay but either way like

06:12:41.460 picking a bear is crazy yeah a black bear would i'll be honest have you dealt with black bears

06:12:46.500 i don't deal with bears i'm a girl i can tell you right now the black bear they they hey oh oh they

06:12:51.380 get out of here they run away i mean but a brown bear they're fucking eating your ass but there's

06:12:55.540 always that chance but yeah you want to risk it yeah i'm just saying again you guys statistically

06:13:01.540 if we put it all like on a scale a black bear probably has like i feel like probably has

06:13:06.900 less statistics of fucking you up than a fucking man and a and a brown bear you're

06:13:12.020 fucked so but like a random man like totally random again my on a hiking trail because that

06:13:18.660 would be well that that was the question miles in the woods of alaska yeah she's making a good

06:13:24.180 like hey yo yeah what are we doing here okay you know i'm just being sensitive i'm scared of men or

06:13:31.140 anything i mean what i'm gonna see on a hike so on a hiking trail okay i feel like i can at least try

06:13:36.340 to find a man off versus a bear bear that's gonna eat me yeah if i was in the middle of nowhere like

06:13:42.340 50 miles totally remote i would rather see a man yeah yeah like hey like help me help me yeah well

06:13:49.940 then i don't know how you got out there to be units right yeah that's why i said you know what

06:13:55.380 are we doing he can fight the bear i'm not fighting the bear yeah you're not gonna be i would never

06:14:00.100 fight any bear but a black bear like i said i've dealt with them they're over they're all the time

06:14:05.140 dragging my garbage out of the a-o you scare them off and they run away if it had babies i'd be like

06:14:10.820 if i had babies listen if it has babies you could have a problem with a black bear if it's a mommy bear

06:14:16.020 then you could have a problem with a black bear but a brown bear you're just gonna eat your ass

06:14:21.540 i would never want to see a brown bear polar bears are the most vicious they're not cute they

06:14:26.900 are they're the most blood thirsty i never want to be around one but they're so cute i'm scared of

06:14:31.940 them um what was your answer to the question a man okay and what about you a man okay and then

06:14:38.820 i don't know where the other girl i think she said bear she said bear and then

06:14:42.820 she leave oh no she's snagging oh okay

06:14:48.900 but a man or a bear over a man girl i'm telling you right now i look i got nothing against men if

06:14:55.460 i saw a man in the woods i probably wouldn't it's not like oh my god the man is probably

06:14:59.540 gonna rape me and kill me no no but i'm telling you right now because i've dealt with it

06:15:04.180 black bears are scared if i'm in the middle of alaska and i see a man in my mind i'm gonna

06:15:08.580 i got a fucking you know uh escaped convict yeah yeah it's so interesting he's gonna do

06:15:14.980 the man i don't know what he's gonna do but we're in the middle of nowhere nobody's coming

06:15:18.820 to help my ass i can you're not gonna help me what do we all think what do we have a better

06:15:22.340 chance of scaring on the black bear than than a brown bear is gonna kill my ass every time no

06:15:30.020 doubt they're vicious i like i said this is coming from experience this isn't like i'd rather take my

06:15:35.220 chances with a man it's not even guaranteed to be a black bear again if i'm on a hiking trail of

06:15:39.380 course i would rather see a guy we're not i'm not being cuckoo here if i see some guy on a hiking trail

06:15:43.620 why would i be scared of some guy on a hiking trail i don't want to see any bear on a hiking trail yeah

06:15:49.540 be realistic here guys like you want to make one point and be done with it bear what kind of bear

06:15:54.500 where am i what what woods am i in is there exactly exactly exactly and you also said bear why do you

06:16:01.460 say bear i agree with her completely i think you're gonna be able to scare it off and i've

06:16:06.180 watched enough like serial killer like documentaries that like if you see a guy in like the middle of

06:16:11.620 the woods or something i know what i'm doing here i don't know what you're doing here i just find it

06:16:16.500 so interesting that and and it generally uh speaks to each person's background i guess but

06:16:23.860 in this scenario i think okay we're both spawned in the middle of the forest we're not going anywhere

06:16:29.300 we're stuck there i'd be so happy to see a man because that's my because that's my experience

06:16:35.540 right yeah okay i got somebody to help me i mean hopefully he wants he's willing to help somebody

06:16:41.140 to help me hunt or protect me escape or yeah whatever whatever the case is i'm stoked that

06:16:48.420 there's a there's a guy there i don't the first thing that comes to mind isn't that he's a bad man

06:16:53.620 a bear yeah i don't know about that i don't care what kind of bear what do you for those who

06:16:57.940 pick bear what do you think the statistic is of the man hurting you like how likely do you think

06:17:02.660 that is well that's why i'm saying there's a lot of factors why am i in the woods where am i in the

06:17:07.940 woods did i hike my own ass into the woods or am i in the woods because i don't want to be there

06:17:11.780 because then i hope it's a guy hey come help me yeah it was it was worded as on a hike yeah so then

06:17:18.020 definitely guy every time and what about you yeah yeah how likely do you think it is that the man

06:17:24.500 will hurt you on not likely it's not about the random man for me it wouldn't be if we're in the

06:17:32.340 middle okay if we're in the absolute middle that's why i asked because if we're in the middle of

06:17:36.340 alaska there's nobody there's no help coming regardless i mean why how did i end up there how

06:17:42.500 did i end up in the middle of the woods if it's a hike then of course i would would rather see a guy

06:17:47.220 than a bear i mean that's a silly question yeah but couldn't the man be considered the help

06:17:52.740 yeah if i'm in the middle of alaska yeah if i took a hike in the woods what help do i need i just took

06:17:57.780 a hike in the woods but you were just saying that you would rather see a bear if you were in alaska

06:18:02.820 if i'm in the middle of alaska how did i get there am i there because i don't want to be there

06:18:07.060 i can i can my own ass into the woods in the middle of alaska i i can make the bear my friend and

06:18:12.580 we can live the jungle book together something like that see i'm not silly i don't think that

06:18:18.100 right i'm just saying their necessities yes exactly have you guys ever been in a non-traditional

06:18:24.820 relationship girl you have to define that because i thought i was in a non-traditional relationship

06:18:31.860 with an age gap but these words i never heard before okay have you ever been in like a relationship

06:18:38.900 with like more than one person involved no no no i have not have you ever been in well yeah i guess

06:18:44.180 we all have been in non-traditional in different senses right where's the where's the line in the

06:18:48.820 sand right i mean that's your question i think mine was pretty traditional no normally i've been in

06:18:54.740 like monogamous like relationships that i've tried to like last for years because i think it's impressive

06:19:00.580 how a guy can out of like everybody in the world they can just pick you you know out of all the

06:19:06.260 temptation out of everybody else and all like the different stuff they can like just pick you

06:19:10.740 and i think that's impressive but some people don't think that way so they asked a question last

06:19:16.340 time like would you delete all of like your like or would you not post um certain pictures and stuff

06:19:23.540 based on your relationship yes you have to sometimes like i literally like i because i was a dancer i

06:19:30.900 went and deleted like i went and deleted my wife i went and deleted all those pictures because of the

06:19:35.220 relationship i am yeah it's out of the respect of the relationship like why are you gonna go out

06:19:38.820 there it's like you know getting in the car with the first house i'd like to open it up to either

06:19:42.660 you or you you guys haven't spoken much tonight so is there any topics you guys would like to speak on

06:19:51.700 my first relationship um he didn't tell me that he was bi and he would um

06:19:59.140 um mess with guys basically i don't have a problem with that but just not in my bedroom

06:20:06.660 yeah seriously nice so um i was a troublemaker when i was younger um i ended up in juvenile hall a few

06:20:14.740 times and he ended up like hooking up with his friend while i was in juvenile hall

06:20:18.180 so what were you in juvie for uh just being drunk my dad used to call the cops on me for coming home

06:20:24.820 drunk okay my dad was a hard ass so yeah um could you close the door but yeah he ended up um

06:20:34.260 just like it i knew the the behavior like wasn't gonna end he wasn't gonna like make a decision

06:20:40.180 basically and he was like asking me to have three sons and stuff like that so just not something i wanted

06:20:46.820 in my relationship so that's why i broke up with the the first uh nine-year relationship

06:20:55.940 okay yeah what about you is there a question are we just this is just open-ended just if you want to

06:21:05.540 something a dating topic you want to discuss or an anecdote you want to share or disagreement or

06:21:12.580 anything really um i think uh for the most part most of us are in agreement on um kind of dating and

06:21:23.060 where we're at um i i don't know i don't have anything to be honest what's the craziest place you ever had

06:21:33.540 sex me i'm i'm not crazy okay tough crowd i do think back then that on a motorcycle riding on a

06:21:45.860 motorcycle yes hi guys the logistics that was something else driving if i can difficult hi guys

06:21:51.700 tts is going to be 69 if you guys want to roast them we're going to do a roast session here uh 69

06:21:56.980 tts it's been lowered from 200 all the way down very discounted 69 tts tough crowd tough crowd yeah

06:22:05.540 uh so was there anything though that you wanted to talk about feel like you said like three words the

06:22:11.940 entire night so just trying to get you involved in the conversation no i'm i know i'm i feel like i'm

06:22:18.020 drawing a total blank i had obviously you know topics that i wanted to touch on i feel like i should have

06:22:24.500 made a list or something i think social media is hard for uh made it hard for people to like

06:22:33.380 conversate in person rather than just like behind a keyboard and you can just say whatever the hell

06:22:39.060 you want without not this one any consequences so um yeah i just think it's made it harder for

06:22:45.860 people to like talk to each other and yeah i just think maybe both guys and girls are lonely

06:22:54.340 and just yeah i think that's what's making the dating scene kind of hard i agree with that yeah

06:22:59.380 you can't nobody can have a if you walk up to a stranger and you're just like hey how you doing

06:23:03.940 talking to them about it just a regular conversation yeah somebody my age and younger it's like

06:23:10.820 oh that used to be pleasant i'm just saying hi dude that used to be pleasantries not in my sunny beach

06:23:16.500 town my sunny beach town's very friendly we're the same age i think and yeah between not being able to

06:23:21.700 have a conversation and the phone like yeah put it away you have to sit there and watch your phone

06:23:26.580 while you have dinner it's crazy yeah yeah social anxiety you gotta talk to chat you know they call

06:23:31.380 it uh social social atrophy you need something to look at you know because i had a really good first

06:23:37.300 day yeah i had a really good first day so fun i didn't have any of that issue there you go

06:23:43.060 it's done i think for you i didn't have any of that with my son's father i was still my dad

06:23:48.980 my dad likes to drink honestly ironic but um i met my my son's father we actually ended up having like

06:23:57.060 450 friends in common we just hadn't met each other before but um yeah we didn't have that we didn't have

06:24:04.820 that issue but yeah i just think that can be a common problem with some people though now that

06:24:10.660 i've like become single now i'm definitely running into that issue okay um i wanted to chime in briefly

06:24:20.740 on the bear question but we won't linger too long who picked bear show of hands are you what are you

06:24:25.860 doing are you looking at your glasses i'm just associating i'm sorry i'm here somebody said something

06:24:32.020 that made me think about that's why the wage gap exists but i was behind the scenes dealing with

06:24:38.260 something so forgot what that was uh do you pick bear i said neither if you had to pick one

06:24:45.460 i'm russian i pick the bear that's great love it you pick bear no no in your notes you picked the

06:24:52.420 bear no i did not oh because i had the book kelly oh yeah because i had the book holy

06:24:56.500 shit i'm sorry about your last name i'm sorry i had the book i know me too wow that's a yikes

06:25:01.620 but it was you didn't think it was funny so it's okay sorry just take it off the table green is a

06:25:06.340 gross color um uh okay sorry who picked you you picked bear then no i picked guy on a hiking trail

06:25:14.500 i just was saying the parameters of like where are we and what's happening they said i'm gonna go back

06:25:19.860 over you you picked bear wait why do i have your name down as i'm genie on facebook yeah genie's my

06:25:28.820 genie's my middle name and okay you pick bear why do you pick bear because i've watched a bunch of

06:25:34.100 serial killer documentaries and it depends on how the guy ended up in the woods you know can you

06:25:39.140 either fix posture or yeah it depends on how he um ended up in the woods if he's just like hiking then

06:25:45.860 yeah definitely the man but if it's a bear then i can probably just scare him off and i'll be by

06:25:51.940 myself again so so no to the bear you pick man and you genuinely pick bear or what do you again i'd

06:26:01.300 rather not encounter i know i know i know hypotheticals are hard but do you pick bear realistically man

06:26:10.020 yeah i was making a joke oh sorry you're just like that's my answer i don't know you you just

06:26:18.580 said that it would end at 11 and it's going to midnight that's why i'm a little tired uh well hold

06:26:24.020 on again you're so bad faith in our notes we say we aim to wrap at 11. did you say that in the notes but

06:26:32.260 well hold on when did we you texted right the dm's yeah yeah and it said 11. i'm pretty sure it

06:26:40.820 says we aim to wrap at 11 may go later oh maybe i didn't see that i don't know maybe if you weren't

06:26:46.260 so bad faith this entire night we would have wrapped at like 10 p.m but all you know is this because of

06:26:50.420 me i'm gonna group torture because of me this group torture hello this is why oh you're free to leave at

06:26:56.740 any point but you know i mean i've already been here too long to leave what do you mean by that

06:27:02.100 but just point point group i read 11 i read 11 and we're not torturing you that's like so unfair i'm

06:27:10.260 being some exaggerating but yeah okay so anyways um moving on to the rest of the notes then i do think

06:27:17.780 it is interesting though like the people that do pick bear it's like okay it's just kind of sexist

06:27:24.100 to pick bear over man in the same way it would be racist to pick bear over black person i wouldn't

06:27:30.500 want to come across a random chick either chicks are crazier than men so i could fix them i guess

06:27:36.100 no i wouldn't want to come across yeah no uh going let's see getting through some of the questionnaire

06:27:42.180 questions a woman's passion not matter so we're talking about body count now uh let's see who agrees

06:27:48.980 with that statement you agree eugenia you think a woman's passion not matter amanda you also agree

06:27:56.740 with that statement uh why so okay let's start with amanda why is that why should a woman's past not matter

06:28:04.660 um because i mean i think it should depend on the personality

06:28:11.060 um if they have a bad personality and like a crappy like questionable past then yeah it's hard to get

06:28:19.700 past that but if they're nice and they want to move in the right direction and you have a connection

06:28:26.980 with them i don't think it should matter okay what about you the past how many men a woman has slept with

06:28:36.100 yeah so the statement i think it should matter woman's past should not matter you indicated that

06:28:40.820 you agree with this why is that i think it should matter exactly as much as it matters how much body

06:28:48.020 count a man has so if it doesn't matter the body count of a man i think the same applies to women

06:28:55.060 i care about the body kind of yeah yeah okay so it's personal preference then

06:29:00.740 it's personal okay i meant i changed my statement it's personal preference it's each to each their

06:29:08.180 own but there's no like nuance it's like a yes or no wait should women then there's a lot of

06:29:12.340 are there able to be any asymmetries between attract like what men find attractive versus what

06:29:20.420 again it's all very we're speaking in general terms let me finish my sentences but go ahead

06:29:25.460 we're speaking in very general terms specifically it's personal preference right we can't

06:29:30.580 make everyone like the same thing different people are turned off or turned on by different

06:29:37.060 things so in general terms i'm just saying because you want it in generally in generally speaking

06:29:43.700 generally speaking i i don't see why a woman is uh degraded by sex with men i don't know what

06:29:50.420 that says about how men think of themselves that they despoil a woman who they have sex with because

06:29:56.420 they don't consider themselves despoiled by the woman they have sex with so i don't understand why

06:30:01.860 there's that social differentiation oh yeah why you hold on you're making it about if the man has

06:30:11.460 sex with that woman that she has been spoiled now while it might be the case that some men could view

06:30:16.820 women in this way okay when it comes to the topic of body count which is the current topic it relates to

06:30:23.860 men other men that that woman has sex has had sex with not not anything to do with because he had sex

06:30:33.780 with her they're making a judgment call based on other sexual partners she's had do they consider

06:30:40.180 themselves depurified by the amount of women they've had sex with does the man see himself in the

06:30:47.940 same light i am less pure because i've had sex with a lot of women

06:30:53.860 i feel like i don't care what it's maybe it's possible that that's the case okay again it's personal

06:30:59.940 preference unless we're speaking generally uh okay um i mean it depends some guys don't want a girl that's

06:31:13.700 fun that it has been with a bunch of guys and sometimes a girl yeah yeah i think most people

06:31:20.260 wouldn't want someone i'm i'm actually willing to tackle this so i guess what where's your objection

06:31:27.380 here so let's say a guy has a high body count but he has made a determination that women who are virgins

06:31:36.100 or women who have a low body count are more desirable to him what is actually i guess what's

06:31:43.220 actually wrong there nothing it's his personal preference i'm speaking in a general sense right

06:31:48.420 we're talking generally okay so generally speaking in our culture a woman who has had a lot of sexual

06:31:54.740 partners right everyone's with me is considered to be somehow lesser than a woman who's had less sexual

06:32:03.300 partners is that not generally speaking our norm yeah sure i would agree that women tend to be

06:32:10.820 shamed more for promiscuity than men are that's yeah so that's what i'm pointing out okay but like

06:32:16.260 i think the other the reverse can also be well sort of the reverse so like for example male virginity

06:32:21.620 is shamed more than female virginity so like men who can't get sexual access or men who are virgins

06:32:27.540 so yeah that's going to be appraised by women uh or by society as like something that's wrong

06:32:33.620 with defective in the man versus like that's something desirable in the woman although you

06:32:38.500 would probably make some argument about like oh well then purity culture is also like uh oppressive to

06:32:43.940 women in some capacity too some guys men are shamed men are shamed for not having sexual prowess

06:32:53.940 right it's a direct inverse of what we were just saying that's kind of a little bit what i'm saying

06:33:00.820 i guess so a lack thereof of said sexual prowess women are shamed for being frigid or for not uh

06:33:09.300 you know putting out sometimes they're shamed for that yeah for different reasons i guess

06:33:14.660 but like how do you reconcile the two on one hand on one hand you have uh women are frigid and

06:33:21.220 they're what's the terminology often used prude prude thank you uh but also they're shamed for

06:33:31.460 fucking too much i just like there to be some consistency either you want women to have sex

06:33:36.420 or you don't want them to have sex because it is preference those two things yes i'm saying it's

06:33:44.740 personal preference but in this again in the general sense right what's the consensus i don't

06:33:51.060 think there's do men want women to have sex at all or not have sex at all what is what is better men

06:33:57.300 want you to be sexually available to them they don't want to sit there and think about all of the other

06:34:02.900 men you've been it's actually available for i think it's specifically that person you're in a

06:34:07.860 relationship with okay but it doesn't always work out right you have sex with men you're in a

06:34:13.140 relationship with him and he moves on or you move on so you have someone new and they have someone new

06:34:18.740 but you're judged for that but there's a difference between a woman who's had a couple other previous

06:34:23.140 boyfriends and then a woman who's done fucked a hundred dudes by the time she's like intermittent

06:34:28.580 yeah 20s early 20s definitely and the difference is she's a woman and if a man has fucked a hundred

06:34:34.740 women there's nothing wrong with him well this it's interesting do you think that this is something like

06:34:40.420 men are doing something wrong here or is it actually women care less about this than men do

06:34:48.740 i would just appreciate if the same standards were applied that you apply to yourself okay well hold on

06:34:54.340 this idea that there needs to be perfect reciprocity and perfect symmetry between what men and women

06:35:00.340 find attractive is just frankly not the case women generally care far more about height than men do

06:35:05.940 i'm not talking about attractiveness i just mean yeah as a lesser human being attractive if a woman's

06:35:11.300 fucked 300 dudes that's yes it's i'm not talking about attractiveness i'm saying in terms of she's

06:35:16.260 a lesser human she's worth less as a human that's literally not what we're okay if we're just talking

06:35:22.100 about attractiveness that's personal preference yeah we're not we're not talking about somebody's value

06:35:28.260 as a human being we're just talking about what people find appealing or attractive when it comes to

06:35:34.340 dating everyone's allowed to like what they like i have no conditions on that some girl might not

06:35:40.420 like a guy who has a high body count because it make it seem like they can't like emotionally invest or

06:35:47.620 i feel like all night it's been like three plus four equals seven why is that and then you're like

06:35:52.100 because green is the color of grass like we come to like you're answering like something completely

06:35:57.460 unrelated to the question asked all right we got 69 tts streamlabs.com slash whatever

06:36:03.460 share 2.5 looks like livestock and thinks she's a chosen

06:36:09.860 well that was respectful thank you i thought you were talking about me okay

06:36:14.500 those persons 2.5 uh okay well a couple of you said like a woman's passion not matter body count

06:36:20.500 um i mean you do understand the context of the conversation is it's like it's a dating podcast

06:36:28.180 oftentimes when we're talking about like a woman's passion not matter body count we're obviously

06:36:31.700 talking within the context of dating and then you want to take it so you don't want to accept my

06:36:36.420 answer value you don't want to accept my answer of personal preference so i keep repeating two different

06:36:42.580 things i think it's personal preference like i said 10 times yeah but i don't know why you bring it to like

06:36:48.660 uh as that's where you want it to go right humans this human soul their value is that not something

06:36:56.420 that's real is that not something in our norm of our society we don't know do women like view men who

06:37:02.820 are like short as subhuman or are they just not attracted to them generally speaking generally

06:37:08.580 speaking women do not view men as subhuman period what well i mean there's some debate that could

06:37:15.140 occur there but i would never make the claim that okay i would say that generally speaking what women

06:37:21.060 find attractive is tall men but just because they like tall men doesn't mean they view short men as

06:37:26.500 subhuman or like lacking in some sort of value or human value i'm in agreement with you if we're

06:37:33.060 talking just about attractiveness it's personal preference i'm not saying anyone needs to like anything

06:37:38.740 also really quick on the maybe the sort of potential double double standard here uh for

06:37:44.580 men to sleep with 100 women that takes some degree of skill whereas if a woman fucks 100 men

06:37:51.780 she just had to say yes 100 times like it's very easy for women to get laid so the difference of

06:37:57.540 appraisal here is a little bit different like the in order for a man to sleep with a lot of girls

06:38:02.740 typically he's going to have to be attractive you know to some degree but a woman who's

06:38:10.980 like lacking in all the characteristics that would make her like broadly attractive for a

06:38:16.340 long-term relationship she need not possess those traits

06:38:22.580 okay so what you're saying is men don't care about any of a woman's qualities they base their

06:38:28.420 decision of having sex with a woman you guys know that kathy newman interview she did with jordan

06:38:32.980 peterson peterson so what you're saying is uh no that's not what i'm just trying to understand what

06:38:38.500 you're saying i'm trying to understand it's easier for a woman to get laid than it is i am interpreting

06:38:46.180 your questions as you present them to me i don't know what you want from me i i'm just saying you're

06:38:52.580 saying a woman just lies there and takes it right she brings nothing to the sexual relationship

06:38:57.140 oh wow okay you're that's what it sounded like to me i was just trying to understand i was trying

06:39:02.260 to understand how you were saying so charitable this entire night with your interpretations of

06:39:06.340 what you think i'm saying we're picking but anyways uh yeah no that's not what i'm saying you're saying

06:39:11.220 that it's it's easier for a woman to go out and get laid than a man and so for him to have like a

06:39:18.500 really high body count which it means that he like i'm sorry some most chicks have like pretty high

06:39:25.860 freaking standards so they have to have some good qualities to like hook up with that many chicks

06:39:30.660 you know so i feel like it's just like us re-explaining like what like i'm genuinely

06:39:35.140 wondering if like like do you not like genuinely understand like what we're saying or like into the

06:39:39.460 into the mic if you can i feel like you're purposely like misinterpreting and it's kind of frustrating

06:39:45.300 on the conversation when you'll get an agito if you're listening and then someone has to like tone

06:39:51.460 tag and re-explain i'm like no i think you do get it i think you do get it and we're just wasting our

06:39:55.380 time um okay so really quick on this question though a woman's passion not matter uh some of you

06:40:00.660 agree some of you disagree oh what to the two women who said a woman's passion not matter but i'll open

06:40:06.180 up to the entire panel what's you know what let's start with you what's your body count

06:40:10.660 nine into the mic nine okay nine okay yep what about you i don't want to share that with you

06:40:21.460 ballpark it i don't want to share with you felicity was so i was called the livestock and also what a

06:40:27.060 chosen what was that code for i don't want to share that with you i know but i'm on in an environment

06:40:32.020 where i do not want to share that okay what about this we're gonna go we're gonna mute the audio you

06:40:37.220 share it with me then i'll relay it to them no thank you do you want to do a ballpark

06:40:45.300 i don't want to do it at all do you want to do range no i'm good less than 10 more than 10

06:40:53.300 i already said i already said no a few times all right what about you i just got number seven

06:40:59.700 recently shout out okay what about you mine's like 25 30 25 30 okay five five okay

06:41:07.460 seven 11 6. multiply it by three and that's the real number those are a little couple uh i don't

06:41:17.300 know if we've got some honest answers here you know what i mean but uh hey you know uh

06:41:23.700 what not from you well well not just from you is what i'm trying to say it could have been everybody

06:41:29.380 all right we have davon jackson here oh boy davon jackson donated 69 dollars yo davon type two can't

06:41:36.900 engage with hypotheticals constantly puts words in brixton's mouth yep is here in bad faith keeps

06:41:43.460 mouth breathing into the mic and just is an off-putting presence in general your response

06:41:50.740 okay i like to bring a certain energy to the room that people don't like i don't know what to tell you

06:41:55.220 i think if you don't agree that you can't try to see what the person is saying you can't just get

06:42:02.980 to the fact that oh this is what they're saying i don't know and just take it out whether you agree

06:42:07.700 or disagree i don't know if people have missed me agreeing with him many times in my opinion agree

06:42:13.220 or disagree with somebody if you don't know what they're saying conceding on a small point is like

06:42:17.620 and misinterpreting the entire argument and then conceding on like the tiniest thing is not like

06:42:22.340 i mean again oh my god inquisitor zeal it's 69 dollars chair two it isn't just sex the more

06:42:30.900 life experience a woman has more damaged and insufferable she is to any man whether

06:42:38.180 it isn't personal preference it's reality the girls liked this one thank you guys streamlabs.com

06:42:45.780 slash whatever uh streamlabs.com slash whatever 69 tts get it in it we're gonna do a little roast

06:42:51.140 session here if you guys want to do a little roast um i need to get up once again here

06:42:56.180 hi guys pick on more than chair number two but uh felicity's gonna come felicity's gonna come sit

06:43:02.740 down she's gonna ask you guys some more questions i guess any other i don't know um

06:43:11.300 did you do all these felicity one through four okay do you want to just

06:43:15.220 go down from this way you'll probably be able to get through a few

06:43:18.020 where did you live off uh you're on number two

06:43:27.700 thank god

06:43:30.740 do you think it's wrong for a man to dump his girlfriend if she regularly turns him down for sex

06:43:35.860 no i think sex is an important part of a relationship unless you just had a baby then

06:43:40.900 it's like okay that's yeah so i think it depends on the relationship that you're in if that's that

06:43:48.900 if that's an important part of your relationship then yeah if it all of a sudden just starts getting

06:43:54.980 turned down that could mean like a problem in the relationship or cheating or something so

06:44:00.420 that would be me but i feel like it's even if it's not sex intimacy like holding hands kissing

06:44:07.620 and all that i think it's important to keep a relationship going in my opinion so i i think

06:44:13.140 it is not i don't think it's fair on anybody's part if intimacy goes out of a relationship in my

06:44:18.740 opinion it can bring apart other problems sex like uh always pretty normal part of a relationship

06:44:25.220 it should be yeah but couples unfortunately go through like serious dry spells a lot more than

06:44:29.780 people admit it's true what did you say people go through dry spells a lot more than like people

06:44:35.780 will what would constitute a relationship yeah besides no married

06:44:41.780 where again where's the line in the sand how long is too long what's going on

06:44:45.460 i feel like yeah when the when your partner feels like they're not desirable to you there's like a huge

06:44:51.140 issue i definitely think that if a man leaves because you're turning him down it's not just

06:44:55.060 because of the sex it's that he feels that desire is gone it's very emasculating for them yeah

06:45:02.580 i think you should just have access to it yeah no i agree okay when where i mean if you started the

06:45:10.260 relationship regularly having sex and then it's kind of the expectation you said which sucks because

06:45:15.300 i feel like as girls like i tend to do that where you're you know like hot and heavy for them a lot

06:45:19.700 more like in the beginning of your relationship but i'm like after a certain point it's like that's

06:45:23.540 just kind of the precedent you said you do things to you know exactly to do it you know

06:45:27.860 and at a certain point you just like get off on getting them off like it's all this like makes

06:45:30.900 you happy you know my ex worked hard and like kit like our kid got in the way you know so we just

06:45:36.020 like stopped making sure to like make just life got in the way well that's different yeah it's

06:45:43.220 pretty regular for couples to it is definitely when you have children and such but i think the

06:45:49.380 question was asking more like if it's totally random yeah well yeah then because if it's totally

06:45:54.980 random that she's turning him down for sex i would assume that she's getting it somewhere else yeah

06:45:59.140 definitely you can't assume that though like because or she's talking to somebody yeah like her she's if

06:46:03.300 she's not having sex with you you don't know then her attention is emotionally involved with somebody

06:46:07.780 else there's another reason why she's emotionally just gone i would agree with that some people fall out

06:46:12.580 of love and if you're not in love but yeah boys will go crazy because like yeah i definitely do that

06:46:15.940 where i'm like i like when i mentally check out of a relationship like i just like stop feeling

06:46:20.900 like sexually attracted to them but then it drives me crazy when like a guy will be like you're

06:46:24.980 definitely getting it somewhere else i'm like don't dude no just like killed my libido congratulations

06:46:32.180 yeah okay but what do you think number two eugenia number two i don't know i don't remember your

06:46:38.020 guys's names i'm sorry i'm number two yeah um you know you wore me down i think men should

06:46:45.780 get whatever they want whenever they want it on demand it changed my entire point of view in the

06:46:52.180 course of seven hours i'm not the one that's been talking to you this whole time what do you actually

06:46:58.340 think

06:46:58.580 i don't know i think it's fine if men you know aren't satisfied or someone isn't satisfied in

06:47:08.660 the relationship it's within their rights to do what they want okay a woman should not be rejected

06:47:16.660 because of her weight what do you guys think of that well men are rejected because of their height

06:47:22.740 all the time men are rejected because their weight too yeah it's a preference i want to be in someone

06:47:28.180 like i want someone that also takes care of themselves like bro you ever been dating someone that like you

06:47:33.300 take on a little hike with your dog on a sunday morning and they're like huffing and puffing up

06:47:37.060 the side of the hill i hike all the time and i still help them yeah i think it depends on why they

06:47:43.140 gained weight and like if they just like gain the weight and then give up and don't try to go back to

06:47:49.460 like what they were and what you got attracted to i think that has a lot to do i think it's not

06:47:54.100 like it's in the relationship it's like if you when you first meet somebody yeah is it wrong face

06:47:59.780 value like it's a preference um yeah no it's the symptom of a bigger issue i'm like like there's

06:48:07.380 clearly like something that you're doing if you're not motivated to take care of yourself

06:48:10.660 how do i know that you're going to be like motivated to take care of me you know but is it wrong for a

06:48:14.740 man to reject a woman because of her weight no no same it goes vice versa sorry i should have used it

06:48:20.660 what about you guys what do you guys think no i don't think it's wrong for a man to reject a

06:48:25.940 woman based on any preference if they're not attracted to them then they shouldn't go with

06:48:31.860 somebody they're not attracted to so would you guys rather be with someone that's severely underweight

06:48:38.020 or severely overweight i love me skinny boys that's actually that's a hard one that's probably

06:48:44.500 underweight that's a difficult one i don't really like overly skinny guys to be honest

06:48:50.260 i've dated too many you do i can't i feel like i'd be dating a girl no i like them kind of

06:48:55.540 fluffy if you're like too skinny nearly yeah well i would rather date like a yeah rather than like

06:49:02.660 an overly skinny guy yeah yeah i agree wait how big are we talking now like dad you said severely

06:49:07.780 underweight and severely overweight you'd rather date a fat guy yes why i agree i'm sorry okay

06:49:18.580 they can be a big teddy bear and you're trying to like hug skeletor

06:49:21.540 you're gonna be okay skeletor i can nurse back to health i cannot help the clogged arteries but

06:49:26.100 why is he like that to begin i feel like if he's too skinny he's like a crackhead that's what i think

06:49:31.940 maybe he's fun maybe he does like party drugs maybe what do you think of this

06:49:37.140 the weight what are we talking about severely overweight or underweight the question was uh

06:49:43.140 a woman should not be is it wrong for a woman to be rejected because of her weight and then i asked

06:49:48.260 would you rather date a severely underweight guy or severely overweight guy so what's your answer

06:49:53.140 to both of those questions uh point a i think again beauty is in the eye of the beholder whoever

06:50:01.140 is attracted to whoever they're attracted to has the right for that attraction i have no opinion on

06:50:05.780 that and then the second point is i don't know it's uh someone with it sounds like people with

06:50:12.100 health issues if they're under or overweight so it's preferable that you're dating someone who's

06:50:16.980 going to stick around right so you know based off just initial i guess overweight was going to

06:50:24.500 stick around more i mean i guess under you know i honestly neither again neither i can't say one or the

06:50:36.020 other i prefer well it depends on if they're skinny for a drug problem the drug problem is kind of

06:50:41.300 maybe going to be harder to get a whole whatever whatever the case some somebody losing weight

06:50:46.740 there's always like six stipulations well it's nuanced it's like no it's a yes or no form

06:50:52.500 and you got to like take that stance progress would you guys date a police officer

06:50:57.140 fuck no no yes yes no please why did you make that face i love cops i know me too

06:51:04.500 cops are like a kink kind of like hand you're like no like fireman fireman's my kink so but

06:51:10.340 oh i've had pose me down yeah no i've already i've already had enough handcuffs on me so every

06:51:16.820 i know they're like we respect authority i'm like why that's why he they don't come ever like

06:51:22.900 like the door when you call the cops fast enough what about you guys would you date police officers

06:51:28.420 yes yeah yeah i would yeah you would sure why not you guys i don't know i put no why the domestic

06:51:35.940 abuse rates no i'm just kidding no not for that reason i mean it kind of goes against a good point

06:51:40.980 like well not that i would have anything against the person per se without looking at statistics or

06:51:47.140 anything like that but um uh i mean they're working for the government right i don't know

06:51:54.180 i guess technically as a teacher i'm working for the government too so i don't know you corporate

06:51:58.020 slave you pig uh i have a question for eugenia eugenia would you date a guy who is uh overweight

06:52:07.620 like obese i guess yeah i date an overweight guy yeah okay uh let's see men should pay on first dates

06:52:16.100 first dates hold on eugenia eugenia eugenia eugenia eugenia why do you say men should pay on first

06:52:24.420 dates chivalry sometimes is nice after all whoa whoa whoa hold on after all that what does that have

06:52:33.860 to do with women's liberation nothing i get to have an opinion i get to have confusing opinions i think it's

06:52:42.500 nice if a man sometimes does that okay um have you ever paid for a first date i went dutch i've always

06:52:50.420 went dutch have you ever paid for his portion have i paid for the whole date no i went dutch i've paid

06:52:58.660 for my half of it but you have had guys also pay for you on dates uh yeah once yeah one time okay

06:53:05.940 yeah okay uh all right why should i offered pay on first dates

06:53:14.980 you yeah yeah why should men pay for on first dates um well you know the basic because it's the

06:53:20.100 they're the one asking you out and treating you you know i would say that you should never be prepared

06:53:27.700 or like you should never go on a date oh well you didn't you didn't circle this one so oh i'm sorry

06:53:32.420 uh what about you uh what about you why should men pay for first dates um

06:53:41.060 this is the only one that you agree on okay all right why why should men pay on first dates for you

06:53:47.620 guys um i don't know i'm i don't know about that one because okay well you want men to pay for first

06:53:58.740 dates is that correct yes i do i don't know i like the traditional sense on that especially yeah

06:54:05.460 they asked you out i mean if you guys like collectively are going out as like friends

06:54:09.620 and yeah but if they ask collectively as friends um unless you guys want to explain why

06:54:15.620 you think men should or yeah why should men pay for first dates i don't have a reason i don't have a

06:54:20.820 reason as to why you're just in favor what about you but um i think that if you know we're going on

06:54:26.340 a first date typically it's because he is asking me out and um and yeah i want to be courted a little

06:54:33.140 bit um not that i don't come prepared but into the mic if you can go ahead um yeah like you said like i

06:54:40.260 do like traditional values so i mean i'm not on any crusade but it is nice when somebody pays for first

06:54:45.940 date all right a couple questions here related to this uh almost every single one of you except

06:54:55.220 for i think you said you want a man to pay for the first date uh if you get married will you take

06:55:02.820 your husband's last name yes uh no yes you've seen mine yes yes yes yes yes yes okay so to you

06:55:15.940 hold on why why do you want a guy to pay for the first date but you won't take his last name i'm a

06:55:20.180 bit confused because my mom is uh one of my i don't know uh mentors my mother and i she didn't take my

06:55:30.180 dad's last name i have his last name but he paid for all their dates and they had a nice relationship

06:55:36.660 and i don't see what's wrong with having preferences like that i i mean i like my dad's last name and i want

06:55:43.140 to carry on his name that way for myself so it's more sort of a of an example it's a personal it's

06:55:49.140 all personal reasons yeah i guess so they were reinforcing the patriarchy it's just how it's

06:55:55.300 what's the point of getting married yeah good yeah good points what's the point of getting married if

06:56:00.980 you're not going to take on like his last name like you're essentially going to be like his wife like his

06:56:06.260 image and you can't even like take on his last name it's i don't know uh some dudes are taking the

06:56:11.540 chicks blasting yeah like i really i would be pissed if someone if i got married they're like

06:56:18.820 i want your last name so you said you like chivalry though yes it's nice when they offer

06:56:25.780 yeah i'm not saying you have to i always offer to pay i thought we but it's nice when they do it

06:56:31.780 offering are there any other components of chivalry that you hope to reap the benefits of

06:56:37.140 reap the benefits of i don't know i just hold men to a do you want a guy to be a protector provider

06:56:45.300 you want your partner to be a decent nice person who you want to be with yeah

06:56:51.140 so i have all those feelings and i want to be also loving and faithful in my way back i don't have

06:56:59.940 i have an expectation like everyone does that you're with someone that you want to be with

06:57:03.700 but why uphold this very patriarchal ideal of men paying for first dates if you're a woman's lib

06:57:13.140 radical i'm not i'm not an and i have i have contradictory sometimes opinions which is okay

06:57:19.780 people have contradictory that's the first thing i agree with you is it well um i i recognize that

06:57:26.180 people do have contradict contradictory opinions but it seems like if you're going to tout yourself as a

06:57:32.180 feminist radical feminist and against the patriarchy and it seems like you're kind of upholding

06:57:38.260 like this very traditional i'm just saying my opinions this is what i believe i think it's nice

06:57:44.740 if men are nice to you when you're with them where does the objectification start i mean just because

06:57:50.980 i'm a feminist doesn't mean i want a man to treat me like crap because he can a man who wouldn't pay for

06:57:57.780 you on the first date doesn't mean he would treat you like crap again i i'm fine with doing that

06:58:04.100 yeah prompt is men should pay on first dates well it was it should yes i thought it was okay

06:58:11.940 should pay on first dates i guess i meant it would be nice if they did so that's making like a sort of

06:58:16.420 generalized prescriptive claim of how men should act oh okay you would object i assume you would object

06:58:21.300 to like for example if i said uh women should make me a sandwich would you object to like that sort of

06:58:27.220 yeah okay so i stand corrected i meant it would be it's nice when they do it's also nice when a

06:58:33.220 woman makes me a sandwich and they do that i'm sure i'm sure women haven't rejected you sandwiches

06:58:39.140 you've had yeah i'm doing great in the sandwich

06:58:43.780 but i guess here's my here's what always boggles my mind is whenever men say or society says women should

06:58:51.460 do x women should should should do xyz it's kind of met with a lot of resistance but that same resistance

06:58:59.620 is not the case when it comes to men should do x and when i say x i don't mean the same thing i just mean

06:59:06.020 like a given random thing so like okay women should cook and clean women should go make me a sandwich

06:59:13.300 that's like sexist misogynist blah blah blah but if women say men should pay for dates men should do

06:59:20.500 this men should be willing to sacrifice their life for me whatever it is it's only sexist if you say

06:59:26.340 that's all she should do if you want it on occasion if you want it on occasion

06:59:32.340 she's gonna make me a burrito okay great if it's only on occasion the burritos and the sandwiches

06:59:37.540 then it's fine whenever he's hungry but not her entire life food is some people's love

06:59:44.020 it's so women are limited to cooking with you some spaghetti some some meatballs how do you think

06:59:50.260 we get the point we get the baby she was keeping the balls empty and the stomach full

06:59:57.860 oh yeah yeah really quick we'll do the bowel segment um so this is a video i took of my

07:00:01.780 ex-girlfriend uh rest in peace she unfortunately passed away in a terrible train accident so um

07:00:08.420 yeah terrible train accident

07:00:12.980 uh all right i'm devastated about very devastated are you about to destroy the video

07:00:16.900 just put it on the window tab we don't for this one we don't have to do video

07:00:21.700 all right so yeah this is my expectation of a girlfriend go ahead

07:00:24.900 boom huge vow uh yep where does she kneel for you when you walk in uh no but we we got on that

07:00:38.020 train like a little bit down the relationship so i got home after a long podcast episode and she had

07:00:44.100 my dinner ready honestly that dinner sucked ass to be honest it was really bad but uh she did crack open

07:00:50.500 a beer for me very nice of her and uh stirred my noodles very nice very nice for her um but yeah

07:00:55.780 she did unfortunately pass away in a terrible train accident play it again

07:01:01.540 why she looked like that boom boom oh i thought you paused it don't you normally pause it nick

07:01:07.700 ah shit look at the bow so this is look all that other stuff whatever i want a girl when i walk through

07:01:13.140 the door to to give me a deep nice deep bow as a show of her love and uh appreciation and respect

07:01:24.420 uh uh give it in a contract in a what like a bdsm contract that should just be basic that's basic

07:01:31.300 i don't need no i think the japanese mutually bow when they greet each other do you bow back

07:01:36.740 or is it just her bowing no it's just her yeah well we see the point anyway what's the point

07:01:41.860 i mean that's rich self-evident point uh the point is self-evident i mean this is no mutual respect

07:01:49.220 there there's plenty of mutual respect that entire apartment i'm taking care of yeah i'm taking care

07:01:55.300 of everything so look it's rich coming from you though when you're like okay well you want there's

07:02:02.260 no reciprocity in any of anything you do you want a man to pay for the first date uh you won't pay for

07:02:08.180 the first date and then you won't take his last name in marriage what if she wants to bow

07:02:14.100 it's a preference not a not a necessity i can also pay for the date i just feel like

07:02:22.500 no offense directly towards you but feminist women like they want the they want their cake

07:02:29.940 or what is it like they want all the benefits from it but then they want to look down and say like

07:02:36.420 they don't have to respect the man in the same way and the double standard has been exhibited like

07:02:40.900 14 different times this night and then you're like well yep and then you guys just blame everything on

07:02:45.140 women and we're the detriment of society i'm like yeah and you're just like purposely like ignoring

07:02:49.300 every single argument everyone's made tonight a guy no no oh her yeah okay a guy working all day

07:02:55.620 and taking care of the apartment i mean they're working their ass off so they're showing effort i'm not

07:03:00.660 bowing and there's like nothing wrong there's different ways to show respect i'm showing respect

07:03:05.300 to my father by keeping his name that's the reason i'm keeping the name yeah it doesn't mean you can't

07:03:10.580 respect your husband without taking the name those that's not right and i can respect my girlfriend

07:03:17.620 without having to do a symmetrical bow no i have to bow i'm the bad faith one right how is that bad faith

07:03:27.460 okay how is that bad faith okay

07:03:33.540 what the this is this is the level of discourse where uh

07:03:38.180 okay anyways all right um just going around the table would you bow for your boyfriend yes

07:03:45.300 i think we know the answer yep if he really needed to and i really liked him probably you'd be making

07:03:52.180 exceptions for people yes i wish i could stand on business yes yes yes he has he's got to ask for

07:04:03.140 on his hands and knees all right like a little like a good boy hey i think it brings some kink to

07:04:09.380 the relationship uh let's see here um we're gonna skip some of these because we'll try to get this

07:04:15.300 wrapped you know uh we got the we got a tts here guys 69 tts streamlabs.com whatever

07:04:21.860 yo thank you cha appreciate it brother chair three you're a bit of a dingus and a leftist degen

07:04:27.620 but i respect the debate pursuit so good luck with it you would learn a lot from andrew

07:04:33.140 destroying your world view a few times asks error for it

07:04:37.060 thank you i appreciate it uh i will uh study some more uh how long nate thank you for the

07:04:46.740 super chat man really appreciate it thank you thank you brian sent you dm on ig with an argument

07:04:51.220 chair eight does my 87 dinah need to have a stage three or four to keep up with you on a ride oh wait

07:04:59.300 what this is uh directed at you motorcycle riz 87 dinah yeah oh yeah your dinah needs something 87

07:05:08.180 i got a 06 y glide so i got fuel injection baby so you're gonna need something to keep up

07:05:12.980 hey hey nice you got handlebars 69 tts streamlabs.com slash whatever uh let's see um

07:05:22.580 dingus i know i have a bit of a dingus i love that word big dingus dingus energy

07:05:29.620 my dad took me to cold springs tavern when i was younger it's like a little bar up in the

07:05:34.340 mountains 154 cold springs all the best children were made in santa barbara oh okay yeah it's like

07:05:41.380 up the one so for you uh kelly a man dating a transgender woman is straight you agree elizabeth

07:05:49.380 you think that that it's straight amanda you think it's straight yes and that's it why is that for you

07:05:56.500 know what why don't we start with amanda why is it straight for a man to date a transgender woman

07:06:02.180 because she's identifying as a woman and you see her as a woman he's not seeing her as a guy so i

07:06:07.780 mean uh okay uh before i respond i'll let everybody answer i fucked up oh you didn't mean that okay

07:06:14.660 what about you i accept trans people and i i would say for some people their acceptance of

07:06:21.380 that notion that they're straight depends on like the level of transition that they've gone through

07:06:26.020 maybe that's like not how it should be i would say like someone who's just like socially transitioned

07:06:30.100 maybe probably most people wouldn't consider them straight it sucks that there's like a stipulation

07:06:35.380 there but someone who's passing as the other gender and like lives lifefully like that and

07:06:38.660 is accepted like that yeah yeah you're straight i would say okay you think it's straight and then

07:06:44.740 uh also maybe not like fundamentally but yeah in practice absolutely amanda you also indicated on

07:06:50.180 this transgender individuals do not have a duty to disclose to romantic partners you agree okay well

07:06:57.700 well well hold on let her answer i think i actually messed up on that actually no no i think

07:07:05.380 you guys no actually i think you guys well that is well that is no you should disclose that because

07:07:11.780 they should know like the whole thing and they should all if they just like choose to see you as you

07:07:17.940 see yourself then there you go but i think i think if they do i mean i think if like you get close to

07:07:25.620 somebody and you think they're a girl and they're actually like biologically a male i think that

07:07:29.140 can definitely screw some shit up so okay so my position on this would be a man dating a transgender

07:07:37.860 woman that's not straight that is that that would be gay so you just don't believe in like trans

07:07:46.500 people like you so you don't think like i believe that there is a yet there is a phenomenon so you think

07:07:51.700 there's like a a third category instead of like you don't think there's any position in which someone

07:07:57.220 could entirely transition medically and be accepted like in full transition no let me ask you obviously

07:08:04.820 the chromosomes will never line up exactly but like so you're answering your own question but in

07:08:09.300 practice like bro blair like blair white like all the stupid examples like dude there's people who are

07:08:13.460 like you would never know yeah you would never know you like you do you do have a point on that

07:08:18.100 is definitely a dude like i can tell that that's a that's male they'll know if you if they punch you

07:08:23.860 in the face you'll know well medical stuff is only getting better and better and i don't think that's

07:08:29.380 true but yeah but you don't think it's straight i'm a little confused sorry uh no i said i don't

07:08:34.660 think it's true that i can like tell blair white i could not tell you that blair white is a man

07:08:38.660 you're gonna see her adam's apple i mean let's i don't know if like what uh if if blair white has

07:08:47.460 had uh bottom surgery or whatever but if you saw them naked and they had a penis would yes that would

07:08:53.460 change things that would change okay hold on but so they're transgender woman but they still have a

07:08:58.020 penis intact are they a man now under your perspective that's why i said it sucks that

07:09:04.500 unfortunately there is this stipulation but i mean it makes sense why stipulation the stipulation

07:09:08.980 is how far you've medically transitioned so for a lot of people like for my line in the sand is

07:09:13.300 probably it probably stops being gay when they're fully medically transitioned it sucks that it's like

07:09:17.700 that and i don't think it should be like that but that's when like i feel like most people should

07:09:21.780 concede that it's not yeah so i have a question for you if if i were to or let's say a man were to

07:09:26.900 lose his penis in an accident and then like but he didn't transition and then this penis looked like

07:09:36.020 a like a post-operative trans transgender woman neo vagina and like the the actual intercourse is the

07:09:45.940 same is it gay is the first one gay uh luckily is it straight luckily i hear they have like prosthetics

07:09:53.940 now and you can like pump it up but so i'm asking so this person doesn't identify as a transgender

07:09:58.580 woman but they were involved in a train accident i would assume they'd get prosthetic instead of get

07:10:02.580 a makeshift vagina no okay well let's assume well would it be straight though like why would they

07:10:08.740 why would they make a vagina instead of just getting a replacement dick biologically no that's not gay

07:10:14.900 obviously okay um so i'm just a bit confused here though so you do think it is straight though

07:10:24.100 i didn't think by the way we're lowering the tts to 30 30 tts that's going to be the lowest it'll go

07:10:29.140 if you guys want to get a roast in uh 30 tts where did i contradict or where do you want clarification

07:10:35.380 so i well can a male become a female or can a female become a male i believe so yes okay so you believe

07:10:43.460 you can change your sex i don't believe you can change your sex but i believe that you can change

07:10:47.460 your gender in practice in practice and functionality yeah male and female pertains to

07:10:53.380 uh that pertains to sex not gender so just one clarification there do you think that people can

07:10:59.540 change their sex i don't know my roommate was able to change her id like i don't know okay well

07:11:05.780 this is a rough one for me well question if if i continued identifying as male but i was able to

07:11:11.620 legally just despite my lack of changing my gender my identity but i just went to the i don't know

07:11:19.380 wherever you change your id i don't know the post office or some bullshit dmv and i'm like yeah uh i

07:11:24.420 just want to be put down as a female on here would that then make me a female no i would say that okay

07:11:30.580 so it comes down to self id no i wouldn't say self idea i would say like honestly the barrier should

07:11:35.060 be at like medical transition like if someone's just starting to experiment with like their gender

07:11:39.380 presentation like it shouldn't be obviously you shouldn't be able to change your id i honestly

07:11:43.700 think there's arguments for you shouldn't be able to change your id at all in case like i don't know

07:11:47.460 you're in an accident or something like i'm gonna just for these guys who sent in at the 69 uh

07:11:53.300 there's some questions they're coming through andre donated 200 do men find androgynous women

07:11:59.780 attractive is that a turn-on for them could it be uh i guess it would depend on what like what

07:12:08.180 you mean by like an androgynous woman if you showed me an example for her i i think it would

07:12:16.100 be possible that a man could find an androgynous woman attractive um is it inherently a turn-on for

07:12:24.820 them i'd start hard for me to say probably probably not generally speaking but it could be uh thank you

07:12:32.260 man appreciate it pasty george donated 70 dollars thank you dude to the panelists one at a time would

07:12:39.220 you rather come across a random wild bear or man in the woods p.s no prattle you are just there okay

07:12:46.100 also the random bear always grapes its victims to death that's funny um any answers we live in that's

07:12:56.100 gonna be the man on that one does this change man man yeah can you want us to get into the table

07:13:01.940 a little bit they live in a great performance bro oh man they're reinforcing man okay all right

07:13:08.420 all right pasty george thank you man appreciate it thank you thank you thank you pasty

07:13:11.940 sons of liberty donated 69 dollars and you're a legend thank you just want to support the show brian

07:13:18.580 thank you man you're doing god's work any updates on the carly lawsuit chair it is the type of woman

07:13:25.140 i would be attracted to which probably means she has issues do you have issues like i said i'm no uh

07:13:32.660 psychologist your thumbs bro i these are working hands bro i didn't get look you and me are gonna

07:13:41.460 have some different hands i have a podcaster yeah these podcaster hands look she's got calluses look at

07:13:46.340 this these are not these are not uh scars from like fucking cutting myself these are just scars

07:13:50.100 from work oh no labor labor hands they don't ever heal they're always rough i got a lot of

07:13:58.020 oh your nails are kind of long too my ex was a hand you had oh shit holy

07:14:03.860 wait do you bite your oh i bite my nails oh yeah i bite my nails

07:14:08.980 she bites her nails too is that a red flag might be a problem for sons of liberty

07:14:12.580 hey i don't know come find out i was meant to play the piano okay so uh thank you sons of liberty i

07:14:22.660 do appreciate that okay so going back to the this trans discussion um oh goody yeah i guess uh

07:14:31.780 i guess it's gay so could so it would be gay pre-operative like bottom surgery pre-op

07:14:39.140 that would be gay i would say most people most general people would consider that gay yes

07:14:43.140 what i think there's situations i think there's situations so they still have a penis

07:14:47.540 in which people that's probably a really confusing thing like let's say you start falling for a girl

07:14:51.780 and then like you find out she's not there okay yeah i don't know you still confused when you find

07:14:57.780 out she got a dick no it's but that's the thing it's like i feel like you would never be put in that

07:15:02.100 position where you're like you wouldn't know like i hope they would disclose it i feel like it's a

07:15:06.900 but that's what i'm saying there's like a very small percentage of the population that's like

07:15:09.940 fully transitioned and passing and like people wouldn't consider it or i don't think people

07:15:14.500 should do you think that would be grape uh like if you were bamboozled into sleeping with a

07:15:20.900 transgender yeah because you were deceived without knowing yeah like let's say is it stealthing

07:15:26.340 considered grape legally uh yeah yeah that's so that's uh i would say that's like the same realm

07:15:32.180 that's literally something i mean it's a bit different but like taking off the condom or

07:15:35.940 whatever right oh i i don't fucking know these fucking terms i don't want to know like someone's

07:15:40.900 giving you back shots they take off the con i wonder though legally i don't know if this has ever been

07:15:45.860 like looked at by criminal or civil law would it be a crime for a transgender person to like they've

07:15:55.060 to see like this person would definitely not consent if they knew the person was transgender but they

07:16:00.340 deceived somebody i'm pretty sure like they were passing or whatever i'm pretty sure you can sue

07:16:04.500 for it now civil civil yeah because can i get a quote anybody in the chat know on this one community

07:16:10.820 no i feel like there would have to be like a suit that got litigated emotional and to get like passed

07:16:17.380 yeah but i mean there's still a dude like it's still a dude like that's still a guy so it's not it can't be

07:16:23.620 straight it's just like if you it's not pussy that's not pussy that's not vagina trust me

07:16:30.900 big labia matter do you have any friends that you like do you have any why why would it matter

07:16:35.700 just because in my okay all my friends are trans what does that matter well because only up until

07:16:39.700 recently had i met people that i just really would have never known that they you know what i'm saying

07:16:44.660 like so a lot of people are like it's some fictitious thing like oh yeah trans people are like

07:16:48.580 you're always like oh yeah you know it's like a girl with the dick it's like no there's like a lot

07:16:51.940 of people who like you really wouldn't yeah but let's assume they're passing and even if they've

07:16:55.860 had the the surgery for the vagina like the neo it's not vagina but um even then that would not make

07:17:05.940 it heterosexual yes it would because listen hear me out wait wait no listen go ahead what is like the

07:17:11.940 fundamental attraction of a woman like to you it's is it only your maybe if you're the kind of guy that's

07:17:18.420 like i only want to knock you up and like getting pregnant is like the only thing i see in you but

07:17:23.700 there's plenty of guys who maybe don't want kids and they're attracted to what their femininity they're

07:17:28.820 like whatever boobs like sexuality man has sex with a woman some people might feel wait wait so if a man

07:17:35.460 has sex with a woman who is in incapable of getting pregnant that's gay no but i'm just saying no no no

07:17:42.900 i'm just saying there's plenty of people you're saying oh well it's the the sole motivation is to

07:17:46.740 get a woman pregnant what no i'm just people have recreational sex of course of course but i'm just

07:17:51.140 saying maybe there's people who don't want kids because it might maybe you're saying it's gay because

07:17:55.620 they can't reproduce no i wouldn't even make that argument okay well then my bad but if people don't

07:18:00.820 want kids i don't understand how in practice you can't understand that why it's not that gay like

07:18:08.260 like it's like it's not like it's super gay what does their birth certificate say right but if i

07:18:12.740 just met you hold on what's their birth certificate say but i'm attracted to like your boobs it doesn't

07:18:16.820 matter if they identify with it in their mind depends on what if their birth certificate that's

07:18:21.460 been and then a guy it is going to their chest i'm just saying in practice like i'm sure there's

07:18:26.660 plenty of people who have been women just boobs and vagina to you is that of course not but i'm just

07:18:31.220 saying it would be i would totally understand a guy still identifying as being straight if some if

07:18:35.780 they're with someone who's completely medically transitioned because in practice what is they're

07:18:39.220 with someone who's socially and practically female presented not their birth certificate still says

07:18:44.180 male they're still a dude so i guess fundamentally it's gay but that's why i'm saying technically

07:18:48.980 and practically and if in if in every other aspect like they literally had like a working like vagina

07:18:54.260 like you know it's not a vagina it's not it's not a vagina i'm not going to see that then it's gay

07:19:00.180 then it's gay it's like their penis inverted into a cavern in their body i just we're not gonna

07:19:08.660 have their dicks are still touching yeah it's that's still penile material we're just not gonna agree

07:19:13.700 on well let me ask you a question straight is short form slang for what

07:19:19.140 straight um short term slang i don't know well straight is short form slang for

07:19:27.140 what is it short for straight straight straight straight i really don't know the answer okay so

07:19:40.500 straight is short form slang for heterosexual do you agree oh yes heterosexual okay so the definition of

07:19:49.140 heterosexuality is sexually or romantically attracted exclusively to people of the

07:19:55.140 other sex not gender not the other gender the other sex okay so if that's the case the opposite

07:20:04.500 so the opposite sex of male would be female a transgender woman wait can a trans is a transgender

07:20:09.780 woman male or female i guess the only reason i answer my question okay is a transgender woman is a

07:20:17.380 transgender woman male or female if we're using like the sex terms

07:20:25.220 female at birth well hold on you can't change i know okay look for the sake i'll go ahead and grant

07:20:32.500 you can change your gender identity a man can become a woman but a male in my view can't become a female

07:20:39.700 so i'm using the sex categorization yeah so is a transgender woman male or female

07:20:49.940 i'm like i don't want to denounce trans people's identity i hear what you're saying they're literally

07:20:53.300 yes they're biologically male i hear you yes okay so if a male and you agree it doesn't change right

07:20:59.540 they're male yes okay so if a male is having sex with a male it's good that would be homosexual wouldn't it

07:21:07.220 not yes it's okay i'm just saying i understand why okay for example my ex that just dumped me

07:21:16.020 they identify as they them non-binary that's technically a subcategory of trans but i'm still

07:21:21.860 fucking straight like for all intents and purposes to me they were a man and like they acted like a man

07:21:29.140 but because they have a they them label they're like oh yeah you're my partner like they i literally

07:21:33.540 was like stop fucking you know it's gendering me don't call me your partner call me your girlfriend

07:21:38.980 stop using the gender neutral language recognized by femininity type

07:21:44.180 all right um okay so then are you conceding that it's gay it's gay okay all right well there's

07:21:54.340 nothing else to argue fundamentally but there's technically ways in which i could see it being a

07:21:59.060 little not so gay okay i know but i can see you when i think it depends on if you have like but

07:22:06.660 you can't do like it depends and if it's like is it gay or not in that community it can my brother's

07:22:12.820 trans wait let her finish guys let her finish go ahead i i think um you can you just want to respect

07:22:18.900 them and just respect their community by showing what like seeing them what they're trying to label

07:22:24.260 themselves at but technically yes biologically they are the sex that they were born with yes and

07:22:31.140 and even if it's like down to like the biology of it if we have to like technically concede that it is

07:22:36.740 technically gay i just want you to know there's plenty of people who will recognize you as like

07:22:41.620 fully transition and accept your identity as a person and not see it as gay no i have a i have my

07:22:46.020 brother okay like is it objectively it's not objectively but i'm yes you can probably find people to fit your

07:22:52.420 subjective worldview so i'm not trying to like offend any like trans people i love my trans

07:22:57.060 i still call my brother you guys are i don't know you're kind of a violent you're a science denier

07:23:02.020 i'm not that's why i conceded that it's gay i'm like oh but you're also saying but not really no i'm

07:23:07.220 saying something you can find no i said i can find people to fit your subjective worldview that will

07:23:12.020 accept you as the way you identify some people won't and so that's why it's like objectively i refuse to

07:23:17.780 think that my brother's a girl no no there's no way you can wear a wig get with these you're a dude

07:23:25.140 sorry well i'm sure there's plenty of people who see you queen and accept you as a girl we have uh

07:23:30.340 moving on moving on though amanda you said uh the statement is women are just as physically strong

07:23:35.620 as men to which you agree why is that um some of them can have bigger muscles than some dudes and they

07:23:43.300 can like lift more and yeah but not all right but not all this is sort of a general uh general

07:23:52.820 statement um generally speaking uh men are physically stronger than women or do you disagree with that

07:24:00.340 they definitely are yes okay 100 yes so i agree with you some women are certainly stronger than

07:24:06.500 some men but generally speaking men are stronger most men are stronger than most women hell yes yeah

07:24:12.580 uh okay eugenia you said men are more privileged in society than women also kelly you also agree with

07:24:20.020 that uh why is that also amanda you agree with that why is that i would say based on um personal

07:24:29.860 experience and like anecdotes are never good but just based on the vocational path that i'm on like

07:24:34.740 in the automotive industry i would say upward like mobility is more readily available so i would say like just

07:24:42.500 impertinence to work typically you're not the first option um so you're a car salesman yeah women do

07:24:50.180 astoundingly well in sales we do well don't get me wrong and yeah our numbers are but i'm just saying

07:24:55.300 if um and this might just be my personal experience but in regards to like consideration for like

07:24:59.860 managerial roles and like moving up or like moving to closer and stuff i feel like they typically

07:25:04.500 well who makes the most money is it i there's a girl that like the outgrows in everyone

07:25:09.460 every single month does the manager of the car dealership make more than like a top-notch

07:25:13.700 car salesman i could be i don't know but yeah so it's like closers it's like up here no but the

07:25:18.980 closers make money on all theirs and then the desk makes money on the closers like everyone has so

07:25:24.260 it's all commission for everybody yeah okay yeah hey send your grandma to me i'll send them home with

07:25:28.980 that 30 apr they're gonna die i just figured the i i again i don't know car sales but i figured the

07:25:35.060 actual salesman who's but you have you have a separate closer yeah so it's like a closer has

07:25:40.900 like a team like there's like three or four like closers who will have like a so you get to be like

07:25:45.780 the nice guy like hey buddy let me talk to my dude and then like good cop back cop the guy into that

07:25:51.540 you know four thousand dollars with add-ons all right so you're saying there's more opportunity

07:25:56.100 for men in car sales i guess i guess that's a really weak argument i would say all right that's

07:26:03.300 not i mean okay is there anything like a greater differential and privilege between men and women

07:26:09.780 that you can point to besides car sales or i know i know i'm trying to think of okay i think about it

07:26:16.260 amanda um so the statement is men are more privileged in society than women i'm looking for a

07:26:22.980 why just because there's they're stronger okay stronger i mean they that's just a biological

07:26:31.220 reality i don't know if that would count as like a a uh a privilege necessarily i just think that men

07:26:39.860 have been working and stuff longer and i think that they're just more trusted than women that's not

07:26:45.700 necessarily a bad thing just more men have just been working longer and just been out longer so

07:26:51.780 they just tend to pick men more in my opinion i mean it's not a bad thing eugenia anything for this

07:26:59.140 how are men more if we all agree with you do we get to go home or you could just answer the

07:27:04.340 questions continuing to waste more time so then i can get you home faster i agree with you i men are

07:27:12.820 not more privileged we're all equally unprivileged

07:27:18.500 well this is actually i mean i don't know do what do you want do you want to do this is actually

07:27:22.180 funny because 18 there is a gender wage gap would your lack of endurance let's say in this conversation

07:27:31.300 seem to point towards no i mean like maybe that's why there's a gender wage gap my lack of endurance has to

07:27:37.860 do with you not having respect for our time how's it you can literally go you gave us i know i i

07:27:44.820 probably will also also you you hold on how is it lack of respect for your time well you could give us

07:27:51.860 a ballpoint here when it's this is done show like it's a privilege to be here type of like

07:27:56.820 okay you reached out to us you asked to be on the show i did i it's my it's my bad it's my bed you

07:28:02.980 must have done some research i just assumed the four to eleven was the real thing i apologize oh my

07:28:08.900 god dude i mean have you ever like stayed up at uh so i have i have i didn't i it's my bad i didn't

07:28:16.340 estimate this correctly it does say it might go on longer it may go longer anyways so that there that

07:28:23.940 right there that was a bit of a time waste um do you want to just answer the question so i can

07:28:28.020 i answered it i i mean you know my answer why do i have to keep we went over it already right not not

07:28:35.460 really you're complaining about like the length of time but you're just like having a medical like a

07:28:42.340 stress test um we get the question answered we can yeah so my answer is uh yes there's certain

07:28:49.620 privileges ben have not all of them but some yeah i would say that my stance is kind of like

07:28:56.420 pivoted throughout the conversation yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah felicity you can uh okay let's see

07:29:04.260 here um i mean i would just say i don't know do you believe in are you like an intersectional feminist

07:29:12.820 do you believe in intersection yeah sure yeah sure okay i was gonna say too wait no just take the seat

07:29:23.780 i mean um okay so i didn't think about family court and stuff when i answered that too i mean i think you

07:29:32.020 have to look at the totality of somebody's circumstances on this one so while it could

07:29:38.100 be conceivable that men have certain privileges i would say women have certain privileges

07:29:44.340 but then i would just look at the totality of their circumstances to make a determination

07:29:48.900 as to if an individual man or individual woman has like a generalized privilege like in totality

07:29:56.740 for example you would agree that like a woman who's born into a super wealthy family and she's perfectly

07:30:04.020 able-bodied and um loving parents etc etc but she's a woman is more privileged in totality than a man

07:30:13.380 who's born into poverty to a single mother who uh is in a wheelchair yes her privileges are based on

07:30:21.300 her economic standing and not her sex so she has economic privilege yeah and he has economic

07:30:29.540 problems right but it is conceivable that in totality a man could have less total privileges

07:30:35.540 than a female than a woman yes in totality yeah but it has nothing to do with sex so it has to do

07:30:41.460 with totality of it does because he is a man no matter what are there female privileges are there any

07:30:47.460 female privileges free drinks uh

07:30:57.140 i'm sorry i'm i'm a little you got this i believe in you thank you yeah i'm tired uh

07:31:04.580 you've already come in i i i yes there are but i can't think of them right now no excuses play with the

07:31:09.700 champion there used to be more there are less of them seriously you do have some impressive muscle

07:31:21.060 like damn oh my god she does yeah but you know what you heard that but you know what uh that's

07:31:27.380 disgusting no not you yeah if a 15 year old boy walks into a gym and it's like his first day lifting

07:31:36.580 he's still gonna live more weeds than me okay oh i've seen it but okay oh shit yeah i said weird

07:31:43.940 flex but okay no it's true no i'm just saying so in reality because she just right she just said that

07:31:49.140 uh yeah okay so yeah so okay and i uh true uh here just give me like one or two male privileges

07:31:58.900 male you want male or female wait do you think that never mind uh do you think there are

07:32:04.340 uh like one or two male privileges just one or two male when they speak they speak with authority

07:32:12.500 people generally don't ask them the same question 20 times you're dating me what she's that's one

07:32:20.660 privilege men have a inherent when they speak they're listened to that's the first one the second one uh

07:32:29.380 just back to the vibes their names the last name we don't even assume a woman's why would a woman ever

07:32:37.460 have her last name taken it's unthinkable look at our grandfather's listening yes exactly men pass on

07:32:44.260 the name it's the man's name passed on what's so what's the solution then to last names if it's like

07:32:49.060 such an injustice well there's those people who do too okay so but like let's assume everybody hyphenates

07:32:56.180 which by the way would be the father's name the father's name anyways but like after a couple

07:33:03.060 generations motherfuckers have eight last names i agree it's untenable long term yeah it's not what

07:33:09.460 do you do you're marrying into that family whether it's like a you're marrying into that family you

07:33:15.940 should take their it is what it is that's just what i'm saying it's the you're identifying as that

07:33:20.260 family now and not the automatic assumption is the man's last name it's just a respecting that you

07:33:26.340 want to start and like live your life wait wait you said the automatic assumption but it doesn't matter

07:33:30.980 if there's other avenues right so if we could it doesn't matter it's not an inherent privilege if

07:33:36.740 we can take her name or we can hyphenate wait i don't know if this is a dog shit argument but what

07:33:42.260 about this so let's say you have a family with one son one daughter and then uh another family with one

07:33:48.260 son one daughter and they intermarry like the the daughter from one family marries the son the son

07:33:54.660 from another family marries the daughter so there would in this scenario

07:34:01.220 pass through the the men in each respective family both of the family names continue on

07:34:08.340 i mean it's still like zero percent of the the women get to keep their last name but both of the

07:34:13.620 families does that is that kind of like that might be kind of like dog shit argument i don't know um

07:34:20.340 all right uh let's see here just two or three more then we're gonna wrap up the show uh we talked about

07:34:26.020 most of this uh let's see gender wage gap boring uh oh amanda women do not have equal rights to men

07:34:35.780 in the united states uh how so because um we're still not paid equal in my opinion i know we're

07:34:45.060 we were gonna skip that but it's true it's been debunked like years ago it was debunked

07:34:50.580 it was debunked well put uh yeah debunked

07:34:54.100 all right somebody get this girl for medication um sorry yeah yeah i mean look essentially

07:35:10.820 i mean it breaks down like this so what tell me can you tell me what your sense is of the gender wage

07:35:16.660 gap like what is what does that mean that like a woman is a woman is paid less for the same job

07:35:26.100 that a man does sure and there's different numbers that are thrown out but if that has been debunked

07:35:30.900 and that's that's freaking that's awesome so i'm talking about so what they've found is if you compare

07:35:40.260 all women who work to all men who work and you don't take into account things like hours worked

07:35:46.500 type of job um there's a whole bunch there's like dozens of different factors that you can analyze

07:35:52.980 you're just comparing these two uncontrolled numbers it's often said like it's 80 cents to the dollar

07:36:00.500 uncontrolled the uncontrolled gender earnings gap i don't call it a wage gap i call it an earnings gap

07:36:06.820 that that does exist but then when you start to control for hours worked geography location

07:36:14.660 uh willingness to work overtime uh hazard pay you look at the types of professions that men are

07:36:21.220 men and women are it shrinks down to 99 cents to the dollar well thank you for changing that i appreciate

07:36:28.100 that yeah so if you factor for all these things it almost completely disappears and then i like to

07:36:34.340 make it almost look at it through dating lens if let there let's say there's 30 to 40 percent of women

07:36:41.220 who want a man to pay for the first date and who want a man to be a provider and say there's 20

07:36:47.860 of women who want to be stay-at-home wives it's not the majority of women but the minority of women

07:36:52.980 could create enough of a dating like a social pressure cultural pressure that would lead them to

07:37:01.700 be less desirous of a higher earning job because they're just ultimately going to look to the man to be

07:37:06.740 the provider and then it's going to place a pressure on a subset of men to be more motivated to achieve

07:37:13.860 and these men are going to you know they're going to perhaps be more motivated to get and ultimately

07:37:20.260 will get higher paying jobs or higher status jobs because of the mating pressure that women even feminists

07:37:26.500 like her over here she says she wants to she says men should pay on first dates that would create a mating

07:37:31.380 pressure on men that doesn't exist in the opposite direction ergo uh gender wage gap btf btfo debunked

07:37:40.500 but yeah just essentially from a dating lens it does create a pressure on men that doesn't exist in

07:37:45.300 women and so it'd be explained away by women's own mating pressure for shell and then also i mean

07:37:52.820 another argument you could say is women uh what's stopping women from you know if it if it is actually

07:38:00.820 the case that you could pay women less why aren't organizations just hiring women and then well okay

07:38:06.820 the organizations are run by men and they're all sexist okay what's stopping women then if you can

07:38:12.260 actually pay women less from just starting women only corporations and out competing these other

07:38:17.300 corporations there are b corps right there's women run corporations i feel like there's i feel like

07:38:28.020 that's really not a man like man woman issue right now i feel like a lot of like the younger generation

07:38:33.540 is just complacent with like not making enough money right now yeah economy major fucked um okay we're

07:38:40.020 gonna get this wrapped up we're gonna let the tts come through if you want to roast the panel roast away

07:38:44.340 we have pasty george with the opening oh whoops uh can you read that one can you read that

07:38:49.460 men who go out and have sex with trans women are gay because i oops sorry because a trans woman

07:38:55.860 my sorry i'm a slow reader here i'll pull it back up that was my bad it's gonna it's just

07:39:00.500 gonna come in this tts w donos support the stream pasty george donated 30 dollars thank you man

07:39:07.380 men who go out and have sex with trans women are gay because a trans woman is still a man

07:39:12.500 biologically our technology hasn't advanced yet to change a person's chromosomes and body

07:39:18.580 completely i love how it ends on like an optimistic note you think science is going to get to the

07:39:23.300 point where we can change our chromosomes stupid asso donated 30 dollars thank you fat women is the

07:39:28.580 equivalent of what a broke dude is care to where do you get that button up cause the button strong as

07:39:34.180 folks bet you can't button up the shirt all the way and touch your elbows

07:39:42.980 okay it's a little fat phobic well yeah i'm actually offended because i'm like kind of overweight

07:39:48.740 so i know you look chubbier in person oh wow that's okay you're fine i mean you look she's vindicated

07:39:56.980 you after you attacked your own i know i know no so you don't you don't like to have empathy for

07:40:01.540 people i'm getting stoned in a glass house right now i'm sorry you don't you don't deserve that that

07:40:05.460 was cold what he said in my opinion it was that was no that was cold it was fucked up it was

07:40:10.340 fucked up chatter yeah it's okay i mean my friend loves i guess it's badder chicks like he absolutely

07:40:16.340 loves refrigerator so they freaking not built like a refrigerator okay all right okay tubbed out

07:40:24.180 oh that's not a skinny girl to me donated 30 dollars women are now in combat roles happened

07:40:31.060 in 2016. the problem is that man were still held to a higher physical standard than the

07:40:37.060 mood till a few months ago when the new off gender neutral was implemented oh that's interesting for

07:40:42.820 like training yeah uh dog shit moderator thank you for the 20 memberships appreciate it

07:40:47.620 uh let's see here are you sleeping what you're sleeping xd donated 29 dollars even the d gen guna

07:40:57.140 and share three realizes that gender neutral pronouns are brainless we might be making some societal

07:41:03.380 progress finally still a fucking dingus though

07:41:09.140 dude i i'm my polycule might have just scared me over to the right

07:41:11.780 okay all right we have face thor thank you charlotte thor donated get him in 29 tts guys

07:41:19.540 trans women are women let them compete in women's sports then and let's see what happens

07:41:24.660 got ticked our brain you know how to get the ratings of women's sports up they should play topless

07:41:32.500 that probably work we need to support the wnba no okay i hear you and honestly that's that's why i

07:41:37.700 conceded on the argument because the framework itself is flawed because yeah i would agree with

07:41:41.780 you that we probably need another category but it just feels like invalidating to like straight up i

07:41:47.460 am being i'm using my personal bias to say what i'm saying because i'm not gonna like invalidate my

07:41:52.980 trans friends like identity cool but i understand the argument so it's gay technically sons of liberty

07:42:00.900 donated 29 and 99 cents lost credibility and respect for chair three trans women are men period it would

07:42:10.260 be one million percent gay also women get so much special treatment and privileges in corporate america

07:42:17.700 guys my roommate is a trans lady you're what my roommate okay that's just a personal bias

07:42:23.860 that's cool we respect trans people k2 donated 30 dollars

07:42:28.900 kelly remembered her radderall today locked in what's up k2 welcome thank you appreciate it

07:42:39.140 all right this one's for felonicity

07:42:41.700 mr bayton donated 30 dollars felonicity needs to get a hand fan she can just wave it in the background

07:42:50.020 if the panelist gets out of line she can whack their wrists

07:42:56.100 disrespect swap refuses to delete off

07:43:00.260 i already knew that you could get a little horse thing felicity is the uh what's that term

07:43:07.300 enforcer in for uh regulator dominatrix felicity the regulator thank you mr baseman

07:43:14.260 pasty george donated 30 thank you pasty so for now until our technology advances to the point of

07:43:20.980 being able to change chromosomes and bodies men who think they are women and vice versa are mentally

07:43:26.980 ill and should not be enabled uh yeah yeah yeah that's uh yeah what is this the roast

07:43:35.460 it should be oh you want some you want to roast i'm just asking if this is the road

07:43:39.940 oh she hasn't had smoke she hasn't had enough smoke she ate chat she hasn't had enough smoke

07:43:47.300 she hasn't felt the heat she needs to be roasted she's chat give us your best roast

07:43:52.180 your mother roast them yeah roast them up roast them

07:43:57.300 uh guys we'll let we're gonna wrap this up in about five ish minutes or so so you guys do have

07:44:05.380 time to get some roasts in you guys do have time to get some roasts in uh let's see here any final

07:44:11.860 thoughts from any of the panelists before we wrap up speak now forever hold your peace

07:44:16.180 i'm starting a podcast oh how's that you're gonna start a podcast oh no you're not very talking

07:44:23.940 uh no offense i haven't really had a chance to talk every time i said something someone got in

07:44:27.940 there gotta get in there man i gave y'all a bunch of opportunities yeah come on i know you want to

07:44:32.340 see some every time we're waiting to see some burnouts motorcycles cars and shit um pia's electric

07:44:38.020 on youtube follow kinetic hell on twitch and youtube i'll follow that can we promote stuff

07:44:44.660 no this is time to fucking have a convo not is this the worst panel of the year last moment for

07:44:52.500 advertising go ahead my podcast oh is this there's a movie that i made i feel like this is the least

07:44:58.340 productive conversation i've what is your podcast about so i'm going in i'm going to start bringing

07:45:03.620 like girls that are still in sex work on and talking about that and then um save them as a

07:45:10.340 single mom with kids with disabilities um to jesus right well you can interview me my son has

07:45:17.060 autism that can be considered a disabled so you know what you guys can start a podcast together

07:45:24.820 i'll be interviewed how cute yeah i'm down okay we got some coming in fat bastard donated 30 dollars

07:45:33.940 get in my belly i want my baby baby back baby back baby back ribs i want my baby back baby back baby back

07:45:42.180 baby baby back okay dude okay dude okay okay

07:45:49.060 rips awesome powers guys jackson donated 30 dollars

07:45:54.020 thug life over there looks like she has bigger balls than chair three's poly homeless

07:46:00.020 maybe maybe probably does

07:46:04.420 thank you dave on really appreciate it good to see you in the chat got that giant donated 30

07:46:08.900 dollars you said let him hit it raw didn't have second thoughts now you a single mom now you a

07:46:16.900 single mom have his kids don't care if he's here or not now you a single mom k2 donated 30 dollars

07:46:27.140 never trust a woman doing electric work hey come on it's honest work it's honest they're worse than car

07:46:33.300 sales ladies what's the difference between ac and dc what's the difference between ac and dc

07:46:37.140 alternating direct current alternating and direct one is low voltage and one is

07:46:41.140 i even know oh yeah you've been zapped oh yeah like shocked the worst was hit on 277 volts which is

07:46:47.300 commercial commercial lighting and my elbow was touching the ceiling grid

07:46:51.300 you can die from yeah but the thing well yeah but the thing is you have to be how grounded are you

07:47:01.860 and you have to be dealing with like high voltage you know i've been i've been hit on doing services

07:47:06.340 so from the street i've been hit on that stuff and you know that's just regular 120 volts so do you

07:47:11.460 you ever bring electricity into the bedroom uh dc no

07:47:19.300 okay we have oh my nipple demonstra donated 30 dollars is it gay when a woman fucks both sex no

07:47:27.940 nah nah not if your boyfriend really wants to when they fuck both uh it's not gay that's

07:47:35.780 that's bisexual devon jackson donated 30 yeah there's no good men but you but what if you

07:47:44.260 only do it with the boyfriend stay pregnant uh okay thank you if you only do it with the boyfriend

07:47:51.220 we have uh 98 oz australian 30 chair come to us i don't know what just chair come to australia and

07:47:58.500 live and travel on my sailing yacht hot with me i need a mechanic there's nobody i think this is for

07:48:03.060 you mechanic i think he thinks you're a mechanic i sell the cars i don't fix them clearly yeah my

07:48:08.260 car broke on the way up here and i took a 400 uber up from dago see that i'll give you credit for

07:48:14.900 that that's uh most people would just be like i'm just gonna flake but i appreciate you sticking to

07:48:19.060 the plan i see you talking all the time about these flakers i was like i'm not about to be

07:48:23.460 we had a no-show today yeah that was kind of lame i was about to be the second one bro uh okay guys if

07:48:28.420 you we'll give you guys a little bit more time if you want because i know some of you are still

07:48:32.500 getting you roasting uh uh uh uh would you ever be in a polycule brian no just not for how much

07:48:46.020 no i mean i wouldn't like if i just had a harem or some that's basically what he was doing

07:48:51.540 they're all exclusive to me that's what he was trying to do he literally jumped my ass

07:48:55.540 i'm sorry someone else i'm not i would be open to it the harem yeah you have a boyfriend i have

07:49:01.700 a no no i would i would deal like it's multiple brian's gay spread the word chill with it i would

07:49:09.700 have multiple women like i would be with multiple women brian but they could only see me i would do

07:49:16.500 that why not that's literally in utah right i also found out recently that that's apparently what a

07:49:21.700 lot of poly guys try and i think polygamy is illegal i have a poly friend that uh one of them

07:49:26.340 about married somebody else and they ended up dumping them too because it wasn't because it

07:49:32.740 wasn't like he had me feeling like a cheater i've never cheated in my life i literally was talking

07:49:36.500 to someone else i'm like we're literally in a polyamorous relationship i think it's because they're

07:49:40.420 i think because they're really big on communication i was communicating and they were like you're

07:49:44.740 disrespecting me i'm like what do you mean they're i met your girl i met my ass you're not

07:49:49.780 supposed to say that word anymore huh sister my sister that's why i said sister right earlier

07:49:54.980 that's why it's not playing there it is nipple the monster donated 30 dollars but why is it gay

07:50:00.980 when a man fucks a man and he likes to love a woman but it's not gay when a woman fucks both sex

07:50:08.900 what that's a good observation actually yeah yo stellar thank you for the gifted 10 subs on

07:50:15.060 twitch.tv slash whatever appreciate it let's go appreciate it thank you thank you thank you

07:50:19.300 nipple the monster donated 30 why is it not gay when a woman fucks a man and a woman not at the

07:50:25.700 same time of the first both sex but it's gay when a man fucks a guy and a woman retweet i think it's

07:50:32.020 all gay kovox 87 donated 30 dollars number three to truly respect someone is not to reinforce their

07:50:41.620 trans delusions but to help them to come to terms with reality and accept themselves for who they really

07:50:48.020 are biologically you want me to have an intervention oh boy here is the basement donated 30 dollars

07:50:54.740 brian is still the fattest girl on the panel yeah

07:50:57.620 it's true gotta lose the shit bro boys i'm losing the weight it's coming off can we get some s in chat

07:51:13.380 for fat

07:51:14.020 you're like what happened

07:51:16.500 my body shaming oh that's not okay you're not i'm uh i'm i'm chubby i'm rubenesque a little bit

07:51:25.460 it's your average build i think it's robots hey if you're kind of bigger anyways it was seeing

07:51:32.900 more that you could like feed yourself and stuff and that you're not poor and starving brian don't

07:51:37.540 let them get to you big big ladies they've been calling me fat for for two years now i'm i'm doing

07:51:46.660 okay i'm not i'm not offended oh you sleep at night you just look sad what a little bit i look sad like

07:51:54.180 in general or like when johnny was going fat fat someone clip it can we get the clip he's just like

07:52:01.620 there he's disassociating

07:52:07.620 okay all right uh well here we'll do final call outs venmo cash app whatever pod uh mitchell thank

07:52:14.260 for the two dollars uh bro you sent me fucking sim two dollars for felicity okay uh like the video

07:52:20.580 please if you enjoyed the stream also guys here's what i want you to do we haven't done this before

07:52:24.580 oh two things uh after the show it takes like a minute to process leave a comment on the video

07:52:32.180 say something a little nice say something nice about me leave a comment guys stick around for when

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07:52:46.580 about me or one of the other panelists i'd like to i want to start having the comment section be

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07:52:57.460 for when we end the stream and then you can leave a comment uh i also like the video also i want to give

07:53:02.740 a uh congratulations to the guild eternal on what are they are you guys on hold on night slayer they're

07:53:13.860 they're on night slayer right i'm pretty sure hold on let me see eternal eternal eternal world of

07:53:20.340 warcraft keck he said cherry is hot uh hold on is it night slayer i'm pretty sure it's night slayer

07:53:28.020 right they called your mom in high school one sec guys do i yeah night slayer okay i'm pretty sure

07:53:36.820 uh i want to give them a little congratulations they got a world first speed run alliance well both

07:53:46.660 factions they got world first 10 minute 31 second black wing layer bwl exceptional top top tier

07:53:56.660 exceptional congratulations eternal for the big uh world record speed run in black wing layer

07:54:04.100 congratulations uh well done boys well done i congratulate you for that these girls are

07:54:10.980 like the fuck is world i should have played the fucking noise congratulations eternal you know um

07:54:19.540 you might want wondering why i'm thanking eternal uh let's just say i uh i knew about eternal back

07:54:27.060 way back in the day uh back you know their their og server og realm back you know 2019

07:54:34.100 2020 so congratulations uh eternal though on the black wing layer world record 10 minutes 31 seconds

07:54:41.860 really just fantastic players all around great players very good uh very very talented immaculate

07:54:47.940 stuff yeah anyways uh thank you for sharing all right uh that was not cringe uh

07:54:54.900 okay we're all caught up on the chats it looks like oh wait your last one i think

07:54:59.860 summer 1234 donated 30 dollars how you'll the girls feel if they dated a man didn't become

07:55:08.740 intimate for months believe this was a full-blown dude to find out they had a coochie

07:55:16.420 george donated 30 dollars i want to thank the panelists for attending the podcast and to brian

07:55:22.820 our host thank you man appreciate it felicity you speak demon be sure to drive down the right side

07:55:28.420 of the road no thank you all and good night does anybody really quickly want to respond to that

07:55:34.500 other one that came through how do you feel if you dated a guy didn't become intimate for months

07:55:39.540 and then it turns out it was a lady hey there's i would be to see i'd be in general i'm not

07:55:45.860 there's people that are okay with dating trans people and will accept them like for how they present

07:55:50.020 there's people that will never accept it and think it's gay so i would feel the same way because

07:55:54.900 they didn't they weren't straight up with it yeah you're you're just seeing well we didn't do the

07:55:58.980 makeup removal for tonight but honestly i'm not sure if we needed to do that so uh okay gg

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Whatever Podcast - August 01, 2025

4 Kids 4 Dads？! PhD Feminist HEATED DEBATE With Dropout Brian？! POLYCULE E-GIRL？! ｜ Dating Talk #251

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