95 Body Count At 22？! Whatever Hater LAWSUIT？! Single Mom Wants 6ft $250,000⧸Year Man？! Elon Musk Baby Mama Drama？! ｜ Dating Talk #230
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8 hours and 28 minutes
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175.98595
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497
Summary
On this week's episode of Whatever Dating Talk, Brian and Brian are joined by a very special guest, who happens to be a member of the board of directors of Big Labia Matter, an organization dedicated to fighting the anti-labia movement.
Transcript
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new one, way better. So, shop.whatever.com if you want to check out new offerings. Follow
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us on Instagram at whatever. Any girls who want to be on the show, DM at whatever on
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Instagram. Follow me on Instagram, BD underscore Atlas. Check out my nonprofit movement, Big
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Labia Matter, or BLM for short because all labia can't matter until Big Labia Matter. It's
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really the pressing issue of our time. Q over here is on the board of directors. He's really
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the number two champion of the anti-labioplasty movement. If you can't, any labiaplasty, anyone
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here had, okay, anyways. If you can't catch the full shows, we have Eclipse channel. Link is
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in the description. There they are. We have a discord, discord.gg slash whatever. We post
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our stream schedule behind the scenes, hate mail, a bunch of other stuff. Now, you'll
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notice the most recent behind the scenes that we have. We had to kick out a woman who was
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belligerent. She started crying in my hallway while eating. She was cry eating. And then
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she called me the N-word multiple times. I don't know how you feel about that, Q.
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You know what? I'll get a DNA test done and I'll get back to you on that, but it's probably
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Okay. Well, you know, she could have stopped at the neg. She didn't have to finish.
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My God. But she called me the N-word. And then she also told me to S-a-D multiple times.
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So you can see that on our discord.gg slash whatever behind the scenes, all kinds of
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crazy stuff. There's also Shoegate. Okay. Disclaimer, the views expressed by the guests
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do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever channel. With that said, without further
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ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So please tell us your name, age,
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location, occupation, and education. Go ahead. Into the mic.
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My name is Aaliyah. I'm 25. I live in LA and I do UGC, which is like marketing for brands.
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A bachelor's in metaphysics. Bachelor of science or bachelor of art?
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In metaphysics. Where did you go to school for that?
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Metaphysics. So what's like, and did you do freshman, sophomore, junior, senior year there?
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It was just like by classes, like getting all your classes done.
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When did you get your bachelor's in metaphysics?
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How long from the date you started to the date you got your bachelor's, how long did it
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Um, it's self-paced. So it took me like three years.
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Yeah. So it's like the physics of the unknown or like the unseen. So there's like chapters
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on dreams, chapters on how dolphins like communicate.
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Wait, how dolphins? Dolphin communication. We've had this on the show before. We've talked
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Uh, Native American studies, uh, psychic gifts.
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Yeah. I used to coach women on, um, yeah, like psychic stuff, tarot.
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Okay. But that's what you learned in the university?
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Well, I did that for six years and then I also, yeah, studied that as well.
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Were you also a professor at the university? It sounds like you have experience.
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How much does it cost to get it? Cause I'm kind of interested. How much does it cost to
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get a, like the whole bachelor's in metaphysics thing?
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Um, I think I applied for like the, like the discount for it and it was like 1500.
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Two or three years. Okay. And, um, tell me, I'm just curious, I need more info about the
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Yeah. Like what was, did you, um, like if there was a quiz, you took quizzes, were there
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Yeah. There would be quizzes after every chapter.
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I think afterwards we would have to listen to meditations and then have to give insight
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And I would always try and like write these like existential transcendental like, um, epic
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experiences that I had. So yeah, I think just having to...
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Like, I feel like you're like a C in meditation.
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Like you're, yeah. Like C plus in meditation. But like in like the physics and like Reiki,
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Did you do any Reiki? Reiki? How do you, what is that? Reiki?
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I've done Reiki before. Like had it done and done it for others as well.
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Do you know, like, did you learn about like heart chakras and that shit?
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Yeah. But I also had like my spiritual awakening at 16 and was like hardcore in that world.
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Do you do any, um, what's it called? Uh, wait, wait, what's it called? The,
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Well, cause you said you had a spiritual awakening at 16. So was it like induced by psychedelics?
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Um, kind of like I had done them before, but it was more so doing shadow work and like mirror shadow work.
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What is that? And what was it? Neo shadow work?
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Shadow work is going into your subconscious and the parts of you that.
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The parts that you're either like insecure on or that holds you back in life, like limiting beliefs.
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Is anybody else here like a psychic or oracle or both of you guys? Shut. Come on. Really? Wow. We have a, we have a trifecta of spiritual ladies here. That's dope. Um, okay. Interesting. Um, can I identify it as native American?
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No. No. If you're Elizabeth Warren, you can. Oh, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. You have like a one 16th of a 64th of a percent. Okay. Um, well, we'll get more. I guess we can get more into some of that stuff. Uh, later. Uh, what about you?
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Okay. Hi, I go by Daisy. Welcome. I'm 30 years old. I was born and raised in China, living in New York. Okay. Um, I have a college degree, studied fashion design.
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All right. All right. Any, uh, what's the college degree in? Is it in fashion design or? Fashion designer. Okay. And, uh, what do you do for work? I'm a content creator.
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O.F.? Yes. Okay. And I have a jewelry brand. Yeah. I just started my business. Okay. All right. What about you?
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Hi, I'm Adriana. I'm from Boston. I live in LA now. I'm 22. I'm a professional dancer, dance teacher, actress, entertainer. I do it all, you know?
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Nice. Nice. Um, and I have a bachelor's in psychology and biology.
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Is it a double major or like major minor? Double major. Okay. Very cool. What about you?
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I am Nicole. I'm also from Boston. Um, I'm both from Boston. We grew up together. Wait, we, you guys need for the rest of the show need to lay on the thickest Boston accent. Just do, can you do a Boston accent?
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No, my dad's is really bad. Mine only comes out if I'm like drunk or like really angry. That's literally when it comes out.
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How does it sound? Can you give us a demo? You take this one, girl. Yeah. You got a good, you got a good one? I don't know. No, I can't honestly.
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Cause I was, I would grew up more on like the Western side. Yeah, that's true. Is there a certain part of Boston that is more? Oh yeah, Southie. Southie, that's where they have the accent.
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Yeah, like that's where they actually have the accent. Like I feel like, like there's like a misconception with the accent. Like not a lot of people have it. Like I rarely saw people have it like living there.
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Hmm. I wonder if it's just maybe as time goes on, it's becoming more diminished. I've definitely lost. I used to like have a little bit, but I've definitely lost it.
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Cause I moved like what? Six or seven years ago. When I first moved here, I worked at a restaurant and like customers would pick up on it pretty frequently, but I feel like the longer I've been here and nobody can tell.
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But I almost wonder, even people who stay in Boston, it's just becoming maybe less common because like there's more, uh, the influence is more media driven when it comes to like what you're exposed to in terms of what you're actually listening.
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If before there was like mass amounts of media consumption, like you heard people speak, it was people in your geographic area and you would maybe pick up on their accent.
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So I wonder if like in New York, less people have the New York accent.
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Yeah, I know some people from New York who don't have like the New York accent.
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I went to ASU for earth and environmental sciences.
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My name is Lindsay. I am probably the oldest person here. I'm 36 years old. I am from Wisconsin.
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Oh, you have to do a Wisconsin accent for the rest of the show.
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I know. I'll try to bring it in. We are not the OU Betches though. That's Minnesota.
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Uh, I majored in journalism, but then more, uh, communications because print journalism was pretty much a dying read.
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And I currently am a sales representative for a wholesale produce distributor.
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Okay. All right. Very cool. Very cool. What about you?
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Um, I'm a fraud at Tech Lai. I'm from Houston, Texas. Um, I'm 18 years old and I go to UCSB.
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Okay. They make good money. Anesthesiologist. All right. And so your bio, you said, right?
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I'm Diletta from Italy. I'm 29, but I'm based in Valencia, Spain. And I graduated as an English teacher for kindergarten, but I always worked as PA, mainly when I used to live in Shanghai, China.
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Mm-hmm. Okay. So you speak a lot of languages, then?
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Yeah. But I guess it's something that European just have to do.
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But French, Spanish, Italian, like since we're close to Switzerland, we're all together.
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No, I was born in France, but then I moved to the United States.
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But unfortunately, if I'd stayed there a bit longer, I think I'd be more proficient in French.
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But I think when you move that young, you obviously aren't as enmeshed in the language.
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So unfortunately, I'm not fluent, but that's cool that you speak so many different...
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But you do have a very good accent, even though...
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Like, it's way worse, my Italian accent over it.
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Everybody always make me notice my Italian accent behind my French.
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I know, I'm saying it like an American sort of way.
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I moved to Shanghai, and I just learned their Chinese.
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I have some slang of Shanghainese, because it's a bit different from the original Mandarin.
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Primarily, I am a oral maxillofacial surgery assistant.
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On the side, I manage some social media clients, specifically a nonprofit that I've worked with
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It's an arts organization that primarily works with students who are incarcerated.
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And I've worked a lot of art projects, like murals and stuff like that, with them.
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I've had a passion to do makeup since I was in elementary school.
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And I love to do tutorials and create beautiful feminine content online.
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And I grew up on the border of Orange County and L.A.
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So I kind of got the best of both worlds growing up.
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And for education, did you get your bachelor's or anything like that?
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I went to a trade school after graduating high school.
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I'm a 32, certified relationship coach, YouTuber, independent book author.
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Y'all probably see me on here around social media.
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I actually, I actually said some pretty, I actually said some pretty.
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Well, basically, I was saying that she seemed more genuine in what she was saying happened.
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I tried, yeah, I was trying to be, I was trying to be objective, because a lot of people would
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I deal with, I deal with relationship drama between couples on the daily.
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So, I know what it looks like when a woman is, is, you know, sincere in the emotions that
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I'm going to just pull up this chat while I have it.
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No, but he's saying metaphysics is a branch of philosophy.
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Of or characteristic of the metaphysical poets.
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The branch of philosophy that deals with the first principles of things, including abstract
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concepts such as being, knowing, substance, cause, identity, and
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Thank you, though, for Christopher, for your chat.
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So, we're going to go around the table once more.
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What is everybody's current relationship status?
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If you're single, how long have you been single?
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And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in, starting with you?
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The longest I've been, I want to say, like, almost 10 years.
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Uh, so you've been in an on-again, off-again relationship for 10 years.
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Uh, how long was the relationship that ended six months ago?
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And then the 10-year on-and-off-again relationship, how many times was it on-and-off?
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Who would ask to come back or make it work or whatever?
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We would be friends, and then it would just, like, kind of happen.
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Oh, it looked like you wanted to ask a question.
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No, yeah, I was trying to scoop a bit back in the chair.
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Uh, okay, so, you've been single for six months.
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I mean, my last relationship was on March 2024.
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Okay, so you were involved with, uh, Walter from the FNF podcast.
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Oh, you've been seeing a couple people the past year.
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So, there's no guy you're talking to right now?
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So, would you date Q, though, if he was single?
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I'm saying, like, go out on a date, not, like, actually dating.
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That doesn't mean, like, people can't take me out on a date.
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I'm not going to just, like, do things to everybody.
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Like, two, almost three years now I've been single.
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Yeah, he just friend-zoned me, like, last week.
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Yeah, the same day that my car broke down and my grandma died.
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Did your grandma passing have anything to do with, are you friend-zoned?
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He was just like, I think you have a lot going on, and I have a lot going on, and we're just
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not ready for a relationship, and I was like, but you just asked me to hang out with you
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on Valentine's Day, like, three days ago, so...
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I don't know, because, like, I wasn't really, like, expressing it.
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Like, I was, like, kind of dealing with that on my own, like, because I actually found out.
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Three Diglets, fresh and fit, fresh and fit and fresh, fresh and fresh, fit and fit.
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He's got, like, a rap or something going on there.
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And, like, I kind of held it together until he left.
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I was a mess, but, like, I wasn't really, like, showing that, you know.
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You said he said you got a lot going on, and then you just told us, I got a lot going on.
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Yeah, but, like, before I had a lot going on, he was, like, he started coming into my life,
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and, like, I think I could have balanced that since I already knew him.
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So, like, I have a lot going on to, like, go out and, like, seek someone.
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Because, like, I mean, I still kind of have feelings for him, too.
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So, I'm just, like, now dealing with the emotions of that, I'm just, like, it's not right for me to go see someone when I still have feelings for someone else.
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You literally, you wanted to give your number to the guys in the car next to us when we were driving.
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What does it mean that he friend-zoned you, though?
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Is it, like, you're still talking, leaving space for future things?
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I mean, he still tries to text me, and I've kind of been, like, more avoidant because of my own feelings.
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So, he just said, like, oh, like, I think we should, like, I love you as a friend, and, like, we should stay friends.
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Y'all, see, I don't really believe that women can be friend-zoned.
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I was, like, well, we've already gone as far as we've gone, so how can I go back to just be...
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So, I'm just, like, I kind of need some time to, like, process what he said.
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Yeah, so this wasn't an established relationship.
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Yeah, but, like, before that, prior to, like, doing stuff, we had talked about, like, you know, like, wanting to be serious.
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And, like, you know, we don't just, like, go around sleeping with anyone.
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I thought we had, like, a mutual agreement on, like, it was going to be exclusive, but we were just still, like...
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My understanding from last show is there was no agreement that you guys were exclusive.
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He was, like, asking me, like, to see me on Valentine's Day and, like, doing things, like, to lead me on and make it, like, it was a little more serious than that.
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Like, I was hanging out with him and his friends, and his friends knew, like, we were all, like, together.
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There was just maybe, like, a lack of communication.
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You never actually dated him, but you said it was, like, exclusive.
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No, we had, like, mentioned that, like, we were the only ones we were talking to, but, like, we weren't, like...
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My longest relationship is, I think, like, about a year, like, around that mark.
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The one-year relationship, who broke up with who?
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It's actually kind of hard to tell, because we were...
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Me and him went to a Christmas party, and then we literally just looked at each other and was, like,
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And we broke up, and then we had to live together for, like, four months after that in a studio apartment.
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Longest relationship, five years in my early 20s.
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Here, let's start with current relationship status.
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And was there anything more you wanted to add, or is that pretty much it?
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And have learned to now, I want to submit to a man and go down that road.
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And so, I'd love to help these women on how to change that, like, what you're kind of in thing.
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I mean, when I say dating, by the way, I include anything.
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Nobody here's gonna shame you for being a virgin.
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I don't know how to, like, have a conversation.
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I'm trying to understand the degree of your dating experience.
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But so, I mean, there's no guys who caught your eye?
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Or who you were, like, dealing with here at UCSB?
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I mean, the guys who are attractive, just, like...
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There aren't really that many black men, either.
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I mean, I like all races, but I would rather go for that.
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You know how, like, there's .com, .norg, .et, net?
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And so, I was trying to get whatev.er, but it's Eritrea.
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It's in the middle, between central and northern Africa.
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It's hard to talk to somebody in the telecommunication industry in Eritrea.
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So, there's not many black guys, though, at UCSBA.
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No, it'll be five years that we'll lead you officially in a relationship.
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In a year, practically, you'll be together for five years.
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I'm going to wish you a happy Thanksgiving and a Merry Christmas
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And I'm going to wish you also a happy Valentine's Day for next February.
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And my longest relationship before, it was mainly a year and a half.
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I had three important relationships in my 20s, and they were always lasting around one year.
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But the first real series where I really understood what means falling in love is with my current boyfriend, my partner.
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It would kind of be like if I just met a girl, somebody asks me, oh, how long have you been dating her?
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We have, actually, I'll get into the chats here really quick.
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My longest relationship was about six years from the age of 17 to 23.
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There was an age gap of nine years, and I felt like I...
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I lied to the police about my name when I was out after curfew.
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And I was with friends, and we were all driving in the car, and I lied about my name and age.
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And then they suspected that I was... something was wrong with me.
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They took me to the station, and then they took me to juvenile hall.
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What do you mean they suspected something was wrong with you?
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I was being a little rude to the police when they pulled us over that night.
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I went to the station, and then they took me to juvenile hall.
00:45:04.280
So when I got there the first time, they told me it was a misdemeanor charge, so I didn't
00:45:13.000
And then with probation, any little thing you get in trouble for, let's say you're late
00:45:17.440
to school, you get into a fight at school, your mom calls your PO, oh, she's acting
00:45:22.140
up and going out at night, that can all be used as charges against you.
00:45:28.020
So it's really easy to pick up new reasons to go into juvenile hall.
00:45:31.640
So they took me back there for a few different things, yeah.
00:45:43.060
Okay, and so you met through friends because you were in a continuation.
00:46:03.060
Or wait, really quick, you've been single for three years, so properly single for three
00:46:11.700
I dated one guy after and for about a year and now we're done.
00:46:27.080
And the guy who I was with for six years actually...
00:46:47.720
But you go into the prisons and I know you previously said you do like some outreach programs
00:46:59.580
I feel like you were telling me there was some guy in the picture, right?
00:47:02.460
Um, no, I was just saying the man that I was with for six years, he really kind of helped
00:47:13.560
So I know it was a little inappropriate dating me underage, but yeah, I was a very mature young
00:47:52.080
Those frown lines and hairline running away faster than your exes give it away.
00:48:10.680
I have lines because, I'm sorry, but I'm going to call it a lot of these ladies probably have
00:48:34.560
She is a woman of the ocean and communicates with dolphins.
00:48:58.420
I was just trying to point out that what she described as metaphysics has nothing to do
00:49:06.080
So your degree, if we read your degree, it would say Bachelors of Science in Metaphysics?
00:49:19.080
I have no idea what that's about, but that's cool.
00:49:54.740
That's why he got three Diglets, because it's one, but he's saying.
00:50:25.420
Albo Ace, L-Daisy, W-F-N-F, W-Fresh, W-M-I-R-N, L-Ling-Ling.
00:51:11.940
Pull up the Ashley St. Clair stuff because there's an update.
00:51:17.720
Ashley St. Clair, who's been a whatever hater for two years now.
00:51:35.200
She got knocked up by the world's richest man, Elon Musk.
00:51:51.880
Because of this Ashley St. Clair, Elon Musk baby drama.
00:52:02.460
And honestly, Daisy, I want to say, are you, have you heard about the Ashley St. Clair stuff, Daisy?
00:52:18.420
Because all I got to say, Daisy, you got to step your shit up.
00:52:26.960
You should have had your eyes set on Elon Musk.
00:52:58.940
Would you let Elon Musk have, would you have a child with him?
00:53:11.060
Look into this camera, deep into the camera lens.
00:53:13.000
Look deep into the camera lens and say, Elon Musk, I want you.
00:53:18.160
Let's say, if I have to have a baby with someone, I don't mind having it with Elon Musk.
00:53:30.400
Having a baby with the world's, that's very kind of you.
00:53:33.420
So you already, you already know the answer, right?
00:53:37.940
And then it's not that I picked who he was as my baby father previous.
00:53:56.520
Look, Walter, look, Walter, host of like a massive podcast, right?
00:54:26.920
Elon Musk knocked up already a single mom who's in her 30s.
00:54:37.040
I don't know if you guys have that in common, but she's annoying and quarrelsome and nagging
00:54:59.780
Are there any, like, who's that billionaire in China?
00:55:13.940
Probably not for the bag, but for the knowledge.
00:55:22.740
Because in general, I attracted to smart, ambitious, successful men.
00:55:44.200
A dusty is a man who doesn't have anything going for them.
00:56:09.460
Do we, Damien, can you Google the world's richest men and find the Wikipedia article?
00:56:16.380
Because I'm going to try, I'm going to be a matchmaker here, and I'm going to get our
00:56:23.220
I'm going to get you a date with a billionaire, okay?
00:56:32.600
Look, I know there's all these fake millionaires in Miami.
00:56:39.520
Okay, well, then it's for sure legit because they're Chinese.
00:56:55.580
If you know their real name, you just know who they are.
00:56:58.320
Because there aren't too many, too many billionaires in China.
00:57:23.800
He's currently dating a Latina that actually, I think you have a shot with Bezos.
00:57:56.060
With Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and Mark Zuckerberg.
00:58:01.060
Now, Larry Ellison, he's a bit on the old side.
00:58:03.200
You have Warren Buffett, who I know, he's married, he's kind of this wholesome, I don't know.
00:58:40.720
Ice has been notified you're legally working in the United States as an escort in OF Korea.
00:58:59.720
And other than that, I don't want to talk to him.
00:59:13.560
If you're enjoying the stream, guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
00:59:18.080
If you are enjoying the stream, drop us a follow and a prime sub.
00:59:24.400
Guys, if you want 100% of your contribution to go towards us without YouTube taking their cut,
00:59:29.140
Streamlabs taking their cut, Venmo, Cash App, whatever pod.
00:59:40.280
So, I kind of got a little distracted there because I was trying to be a matchmaker for Daisy.
00:59:59.680
Daisy, if I legit got you married without a prenup to a billionaire, you would have to throw me a bill.
01:00:21.520
No, but it's like that's my fee for being a matchmaker.
01:00:24.940
I'm not entitled to marry a billionaire, so I don't think I have to give you a bill.
01:00:32.360
Well, we'll sign a contract, and when I get you linked up with the billionaire, it'll be legally binding.
01:00:38.880
I wouldn't do such things because, you know, like, those people who was attacking me, you know, attacking me.
01:00:49.860
Listen, you said you've been single for a year.
01:01:00.100
I'm going to get you a nice, elderly, the sperm still functioning, billionaire.
01:01:14.940
No, this is just, this is, this is, I'm help, I'm, this is banter.
01:01:32.380
I will ogle in the chat with the 50 gifted memberships.
01:02:05.100
We can only do one girl just for the sake of time.
01:02:23.100
And we'll tell you the percentage chance of you getting that guy.
01:04:34.200
You know, Daisy, I think, you know, you have high standards.
01:04:37.740
But I think I see you settling down in Oklahoma with a guy who makes like 50K.
01:05:26.040
Very rich to call someone dusty when having dusty cooter.
01:05:48.680
I would think dusty is a man shooting blanks because he's so old.
01:05:55.300
I would think dusty is like someone who like doesn't take care of himself.
01:06:04.940
So why don't you pull up the first thing on that?
01:06:08.220
We're going to do a quick recap for those who didn't see the show yesterday and then get
01:06:16.580
Five months ago, I welcomed a new baby into the world.
01:06:20.940
I have not previously disclosed this to protect our child's privacy and safety.
01:06:24.780
But in recent days, it has become clear that tabloid media intends to do so regardless
01:06:32.360
So, and then there's been a bunch of news stories the past, I don't know, week, 10 days since
01:06:41.500
But recently, so a bunch of stuff's been going on on Twitter.
01:06:52.740
Recently, the past couple days, she filed a lawsuit in New York City seeking sole custody
01:07:00.220
of the child, establishing the paternity of the child, attempting to establish Elon Musk
01:07:09.140
And then I assume there's some child support component that they're seeking.
01:07:14.980
This is like all the rage that's going on on Twitter.
01:07:18.760
By the way, Ashley St. Clair, she's like in her 30s.
01:07:21.680
She's a conservative, quote, supposed, she's an undercover, covert feminist, but she's a
01:07:43.380
Now, this woman, since 2023, before she even got involved with Elon Musk, she's been shit
01:08:03.540
She's been talking shit in Twitter spaces, just talking shit.
01:08:07.300
And why don't we play this clip from the beginning?
01:08:15.340
Andertate's not the problem because if you take Andertate away, you still have this massive
01:08:20.020
group of young men who are clinging to that message on shows like the whatever podcast.
01:08:25.800
They're bringing them on for this humiliation porn.
01:08:32.220
YouTube, who has been, you know, at the forefront of, we need to protect those who are, you know,
01:08:39.560
But, um, so basically she was calling for, uh, whatever podcast and then channel similar
01:08:47.580
Calling for, uh, his channel to be, uh, not just demonetized, but actually censored and
01:08:57.820
This applies to other people in the space, probably like Rola, other people, Mike Sartain,
01:09:03.420
Calling for it to just be deleted, removed, channel banned.
01:09:19.740
Uh, so this was in a Twitter space a little bit ago.
01:09:31.700
Do you take issue with shows like the whatever podcast and you know, certainly they're demeaning
01:09:37.040
them on the show, but these girls also, whatever podcast is here.
01:09:58.240
It's about to be higher after I freaking come to LA and, uh, give you guys a piece
01:10:05.160
I think you guys are degenerate scum if you want me to be really honest.
01:10:14.060
Um, so, so basically I cut that down a little bit, but she was in the space talking shit
01:10:21.680
Somebody texted me, Ashley St. Clair's talking shit about you.
01:10:24.400
I joined the space and then I'm like, I'm just going to troll her.
01:10:26.900
So I asked her the body count question a couple of times.
01:10:28.820
There's a bit more to the back and forth, but that's the condensed version.
01:10:31.780
So that's the history between, uh, whatever podcast hater and now woman who just had love
01:10:38.080
child with the world's richest man, one of the world's most powerful man running a multi
01:10:43.040
trillion dollar business running multiple multi-billion dollar businesses.
01:10:47.160
Um, so they got, she got knocked up a couple months ago, pull up the next thing and then
01:10:54.660
I'm going to, I'm going to get the panel to weigh in just cause there's some drama going
01:11:00.940
So Ash, she's had a bunch of his like historical tweets talking shit about like, uh, certain
01:11:08.360
things, but, uh, she said Kamala can't help herself from Brent bending over for a man to
01:11:14.780
Mind you, she deleted that post, but I was able to get a screen grab of it.
01:11:20.700
Doesn't, didn't age very well given that she slept with the world's most richest man to get
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Cause she asked him that little, her tweet, respect my privacy.
01:11:34.200
Then she goes and done, does a bunch of, uh, interviews with the New York post.
01:11:44.080
Um, so, oh, this goes into the lawsuit, which we need to pull up.
01:11:51.160
Uh, Laura Loomer on Twitter, uh, who's been covering this very well.
01:11:55.960
She says, uh, quoting Ashley St. Clair, I want my privacy.
01:12:00.920
Let me post screenshots of my encrypted messages on signal that I took with the second phone
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so I could lie about respecting someone's privacy.
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Shame on any conservative who's enabling this type of deceptive and promiscuous behavior
01:12:20.260
Cause she's referencing the lawsuit that Ashley St. Clair filed that I mentioned earlier.
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So number eight, respondent and I began our romantic relationship in or about May, 2023.
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I had sexual intercourse with the respondent on or about the second day of January, 2024
01:12:58.000
and on or about the third day of January, 2024 in various locations, including, but not
01:13:03.820
limited to St. Bart's during which time our child was conceived.
01:13:08.060
As a result of my aforesaid, I've never seen, aforesaid relations with the respondent, I
01:13:18.060
Exhibit A, I gave birth to child, blah, blah, blah.
01:13:23.080
Let's just scroll all the way down to the photos now.
01:13:35.080
So that's, she took a photo of Elon Musk with their kid.
01:14:02.720
And you'll notice that if you look at the text, you see how there's a timer at the bottom.
01:14:12.440
So Signal, uh, I don't have it, but my understanding is it's private.
01:14:17.720
You send a message and it automatically deletes after a period of time.
01:14:22.740
If you take a screenshot on your phone, it sends an indicator to the other person that
01:14:28.940
they screenshotted what's intended to be a private conversation.
01:14:32.920
She's using a secondary cell phone to take a photo of what's intended to be a private
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conversation between her and Elon Musk, who I don't know if they have in it.
01:14:46.100
I would be shocked if Elon Musk doesn't have an NDA, but I mean, he's seems to be playing
01:14:54.580
In any case, she's taking screenshots of what's intended to be private, self-deleting, encrypted
01:15:10.880
This is him saying, I get credible death threats every day.
01:15:13.960
He's number, I'm number two after Trump for assassination.
01:15:17.200
This is not the time for sentiment at the expense of safety.
01:15:19.800
If I make a mistake on security, that's in reference to her son, their son, I should
01:15:29.540
And then she says, that's why the father's spot on his birth certificate is blank right
01:15:32.880
E and why he has my last name necessary for now.
01:15:39.580
There has been incredible discretion used here as will continue to be.
01:15:42.520
The threat level will reach insane levels until the election is decided.
01:15:46.240
So again, you'll note that this is intended to disappear.
01:15:50.280
This is all, but she took, she used a second phone to capture all of this.
01:16:00.600
So she sends them, him this other thing, a photo, and then he tells her he wants to
01:16:12.500
Uh, and then here, this is her being quarrelsome.
01:16:24.400
I think scroll down, scroll down all the way to the bottom.
01:16:32.500
Uh, man, there's some, there's another tweet too.
01:16:39.660
So one, she's taking photos of private text messages that are intended to disappear.
01:16:44.980
Two, uh, she's gone public with something that he intended to attempt to keep private.
01:17:17.520
I gotta let the TTS come through one sec, guys.
01:17:20.260
Chair underscore one underscore simp donated $200.
01:17:31.060
How do you feel about watching the sunset on a boat?
01:17:44.680
He has, he always has an eyeball for chair one.
01:17:58.780
So this is Isabella Moody, who, by the way, we've had on the show before.
01:18:03.560
Uh, so she says, I'm, I wasn't going to post these, but now with, uh, Ashley St. Clair leaked.
01:18:10.680
She, she leaked the private messages in the lawsuit claiming she wanted privacy.
01:18:17.200
And so basically there's this narrative going on, which seems to have some evidence to it
01:18:22.140
that Ashley was trying to baby trap, uh, Elon and like intended going in.
01:18:27.240
She had some foresight when it came to getting pregnant, um, scroll down, scroll down.
01:18:41.900
A message sent to Isabella from Ashley St. Clair.
01:18:53.220
Um, she says, look, I'll take one for the team.
01:18:56.440
Seduce Elon and get in a rocket to see what's up.
01:19:01.720
Uh, and then she's asking for advice on how to seduce Elon.
01:19:09.240
Uh, there's a bunch, there's so much that you can like go into with, you can check out
01:19:13.860
like Laura Loomer's posted a bunch of stuff if you want to like see more of the details
01:19:20.580
Is there another thing or is that pretty much it?
01:19:27.020
Um, so I want to get, there's, I know there was a lot that was brought up there.
01:19:33.740
I want to get the whole panel's reaction on that going around the table, uh, starting
01:19:53.200
Maybe she had like the idea of being with someone who has money, but I don't think anyone
01:20:04.400
But let, let me, um, provide, I guess a bit more added context.
01:20:08.360
So there's another tweet out there that shows more D I think more messages from her where
01:20:12.660
she says something along the lines of, I forgot.
01:20:22.320
Give me one sec here because I don't want to like misquote it, but she knew what the deal
01:20:34.680
Do we have it one sec guys while I get this pulled up?
01:20:37.380
I don't know if I'm going to be able to find it.
01:20:46.280
Claire, this girl knew that he had multiple different baby mamas, multiple kids, and that
01:20:54.060
he, I think she said something like she knew that he went through women quickly.
01:20:58.700
So she comes along and she wants to get knocked out by him because world's richest man, connections,
01:21:08.500
And then, but the way all those messages sound like is she's upset with him that the world's
01:21:18.800
richest man who's involved in the current presidential, uh, or who's, who was involved
01:21:24.300
in the election, who's involved with the current administration because Trump won the presidency.
01:21:35.160
He's already got four baby, was it four or five baby mamas, 13 other kids, and she's nagging
01:21:44.020
Oh, she's upset that she's not getting the amount of attention that she thinks she deserves.
01:21:53.460
But she knew going in, like, I don't think, like, she claimed to be this like conservative
01:21:59.480
and family values and the nuclear, all this shit.
01:22:03.140
She was, she claimed she was all for that, but here she is, two baby daddies, single mom,
01:22:11.220
second child out of the wedlock, or maybe I, was she married before?
01:22:16.600
She did it with a guy who she knew she was never going to get commitment from.
01:22:21.760
And this is a woman who's like espousing supposed traditional and conservative values when it
01:22:32.520
Uh, there was another, fuck, there was another tweet that I wanted to pull up.
01:22:36.340
I'm going to send it to you, but so I don't know.
01:22:44.380
Yeah, I don't think if I was, like, in a conservative standpoint that I would go for him.
01:22:56.000
Well, for sure, I think she didn't handle the situation very well.
01:22:59.360
Because if I were her, my baby father is Elon Musk, I didn't have to do all of that.
01:23:09.300
And I feel like if the man is a billionaire, obviously he doesn't care about to pay for
01:23:16.180
the child support or taking care of the family.
01:23:26.040
And also, I think it does take two, take the boxes.
01:23:31.700
As you see the message that Elon said, I want to knock you up again.
01:23:42.460
Like, he's rich, so he can afford to have a bunch of kids.
01:24:01.760
I mean, basically, they said everything I thought.
01:24:14.100
I have never thought about a situation of, like, going to that extent and, like, saying,
01:24:20.000
But then posting screenshots of your text messages.
01:24:26.000
I mean, maybe I'm wrong about the word hypocrite.
01:24:31.580
From my understanding of the word hypocrite, that is kind of hypocritical.
01:24:41.560
And then, literally, the next day, she does an interview.
01:24:59.840
Elon Musk set her up in, like, I think a $40,000 apartment in New York City.
01:25:19.640
With that app, you could say, well, like, for example, let's say you're suing somebody.
01:25:25.080
And you have existing text messages with somebody.
01:25:28.320
Before all this shit blew up on Twitter, all those text messages, in order for her to have taken them, here's the big thing.
01:25:38.040
She didn't take them a week ago when she was contemplating...
01:25:43.240
Yeah, she didn't take them a week ago when she was in the mode of contemplating, initiating a lawsuit against him.
01:25:51.780
She took him when, conceivably, there was still some, should have been some level of trust between them.
01:26:02.340
Taking with a secondary phone of what he intended to be private.
01:26:15.560
Um, well, I mean, she literally, in the text messages, the screenshot of the text messages, when she was, like, okay, I want to seduce Elon, I want to have his kid, and I want to go on one of his rockets.
01:26:36.540
I feel like that's, like, the only thing missing.
01:26:39.240
Like, maybe she was mad she didn't get on the rocket.
01:26:41.600
Yeah, and that's why she's, yeah, I think that's it.
01:26:46.420
Didn't Call Her Daddy do the same thing, where she preached feminism, but then went and got married and submitted?
01:27:00.520
The Call Her Daddy podcast, before she got married, she was all about the boss babe.
01:27:07.640
And then she went on and got engaged, got married, and did everything opposite what she was telling her viewers to do.
01:27:14.200
So this, to me, sounds like a woman who is kind of a pick-me.
01:27:29.760
Well, I'm not familiar with the Call Her Daddy stuff, but, I mean, I do agree that she's LARP, she was LARPing as a conservative.
01:27:44.860
And, yeah, I mean, I think she's, I think it's super predatory, like, in terms of her conduct, both prior to even meeting him, during the courtship, and then afterwards.
01:28:07.200
She doesn't want the nuclear family, obviously.
01:28:11.280
Yeah, and part of that, though, is I think she was, like, advocating for that.
01:28:15.560
And there, oh, there were some other tweets that were really good.
01:28:23.060
She was also saying stuff like, shit, I'm going to see if it's on any of these other accounts.
01:28:31.800
I don't know, she's saying, like, the family court system's bullshit or something like that.
01:28:40.240
But do you have anything else on the situation?
01:28:44.140
Because men seem, it's like chicken and the egg, though.
01:28:48.600
We have men that are very afraid of being used for their money.
01:28:55.420
But then we have women who are positioning themselves in certain ways to get these men who have a lot of money the seduction of it all.
01:29:09.620
That's why we have women looking a certain way.
01:29:21.120
I'm looking for commentary about the situation with Ashley St. Clair.
01:29:28.460
She's one of those people, she's, it was all talk.
01:29:31.260
She wanted a man, she wants to be a single mother.
01:29:33.680
There are a lot of women out there that want to do that.
01:29:48.960
They've kind of already said everything, like, I wanted to say.
01:29:56.820
So, there's a, she has a bunch of, like, historical tweets that she posted that are just, like, this will be the last one.
01:30:04.160
But she says, there's no sin as cruel as alienating a child from a parent, seeing so much of this everywhere.
01:30:09.720
Mind you, this is, I think, I don't know exactly when, but, like, shortly before.
01:30:15.120
Wait, would this have been before, or, no, this would have been before she gave birth.
01:30:25.900
Mind you, in her lawsuit, she's seeking sole custody of the child.
01:30:33.560
Now, she's filing a lawsuit, making a big spectacle of the whole thing.
01:30:40.780
Well, she's, she wants to establish paternity, because you have to establish paternity before, and then she wants sole custody of the child, and then she wants child support.
01:30:56.740
Yeah, I mean, in my opinion, it was premeditated.
01:31:01.840
She basically had an outline of how she was going to get Elon Musk, and then I think it highlights what can be, some women, the duplicitous and conniving, vindictive nature of them.
01:31:15.400
I don't believe there's a conservative influencer in terms of women, because it's an oxymoron.
01:31:22.580
So, for her to be that performative, clearly, clout is her agenda.
01:31:30.400
And then she wants to turn around and play the victim.
01:31:34.440
If Elon has X amount of baby moms, and he's not in any of their lives, he's not committed, he's not married, then you knew that he wasn't going to give you that.
01:31:43.680
So, I don't understand her angle, other than she's trying to extract money out of him by complaining about the fact that he isn't giving her the attention or the time that she wants.
01:31:56.860
And apparently from, this is Laura Loomer as the source, she hired for her lawyer, her attorney, to file the lawsuit, anti-Trump attorney who wrote a book.
01:32:11.100
He's like a major divorce attorney in New York City who wrote a book, and I think a component of it, there's a chapter where he talks just about Trump.
01:32:18.760
And I think he might have been the, I don't know if he was the divorce attorney for one of Trump's ex-wives or something.
01:32:23.820
But, it's interesting, Ashley St. Clair claims to be conservative, I believe is a Republican, I believe voted for Trump, pushed for, I think she was anti-Trump at one point, post 2020, but then, I don't know, changed up or whatever.
01:32:38.300
But, she hired an anti-Trump attorney, mind you, like Elon Musk is in the administration.
01:32:45.960
So, I just think that's really, that seems kind of weird, like kind of weird.
01:32:50.720
There's a whole bunch of details, we'll get reactions from you too.
01:32:58.220
I mean, even Grimes is having a problem with Elon Musk.
01:33:01.260
Recently, she actually tweeted about some health issues with one of those kids.
01:33:08.880
And by, even all of them already said everything, and he, like, said it, this was all premeditated.
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And even her friend that showed a screenshot where she was like, yeah, let's get the baby, like he's following me, blah, blah, blah.
01:33:33.900
She knows, and she knew that he's not present, and he's never been present, even with the older kids.
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Like, for example, even the trans, his first child, that now she is female, how she feels about her father, and how it's everything.
01:33:51.120
If you're conservative, you would have been very far away from someone like Elon Musk.
01:33:56.200
And by using him to get cloud, like, in this way, after having a child, like, this is not a bit too much negativity for a person that just gave birth and is trying to get herself back in track.
01:34:12.760
Like, she had an apartment, everything was paid, she had everything.
01:34:17.160
I'm not really understanding why now she's biting the hand that was feeding her.
01:34:23.520
And even if she couldn't really, maybe, communicate with him, like, I mean, he's everywhere right now.
01:34:30.660
And he has, as you said, billions of companies and businesses to take care of.
01:34:36.300
It's confusing, and it's not really clear what she's doing.
01:34:47.740
Yeah, but how can you be happy with that negativity in your life?
01:34:52.320
But she, like, the thing is, is that she wants attention.
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I don't, like, she just has networked with all these people in the conservative space.
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She's purely, like, a political pundit, political commentator.
01:35:13.860
I mean, she was able to be in certain rooms, certain people.
01:35:19.020
A lot of people are turning on her, though, because of her conduct.
01:35:23.020
She's probably burned a lot of bridges because she is a bit belligerent in her, the way she, I guess, interacts with people.
01:35:33.360
But to your point, I do think it's, it is really, I'm trying to think exactly how I want to phrase this.
01:35:39.060
Because it's really interesting that, like, as women, if you want that high-value guy, Elon Musk, high-value man, world's richest man, there's no question about it.
01:35:51.860
Like, you want to deal with a guy who's rich, who's, like, ambitious, you've got to understand you're not going to get the same level of attention from a dude who works part-time, from a guy who's in college, who's taken a light course load, from a guy who has a normal job.
01:36:11.880
You want, if you want, there's this, I guess I have to, you guys probably don't like this person, but Andrew Tate has this interesting quote.
01:36:21.540
If you want a dude who's a McLaren, it's going to come with problems.
01:36:25.560
You want a guy, you want a normal dude, who's a, sorry, I'm sorry, Andrew Tate, I'm butchering your fucking quote.
01:36:34.080
You want a normal guy who's not going to cause problems, that's a Toyota.
01:36:39.300
But if you want the, the shiny car, you get the McLaren, but it's going to come with problems.
01:36:43.760
If you date like a super ambitious, high-value dude, it's going to come with certain problems.
01:36:49.340
You're not going to get all the attention you want.
01:37:04.760
You want to deal with a G, a baller, a professional athlete, a musician, you're probably going to be dealing with other women.
01:37:13.360
You're going to be dealing with him being busy.
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You're not going to get that level of attention.
01:37:19.300
So she should have known going in, this is the richest man in the world, one of the most powerful men in the world.
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Not only that, just if he was even running one of these businesses, just one, just Tesla, that's it.
01:37:54.900
And I think in his mind, whether you agree or disagree, he's trying to literally save the world.
01:38:03.840
And you're fucking nagging him on Valentine's Day?
01:38:10.100
Let me just completely go nuclear and go to the media, go to the New York Post, do a fucking tell-all in one of these tabloid magazines.
01:38:27.060
She thought, she thought, she, I really believe that a large part of her thought that she was going to be special.
01:38:32.680
And that she could change how he operates once she got close to him.
01:38:38.100
And then once she's seen that having his child didn't make him any more invested in her than what she wanted him to be, she just lost it.
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She thought that she was going to be able to change his ways and she was going to be the one.
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She was going to be, maybe they don't get married, but she was going to be his girl.
01:38:58.020
I feel like she's embarrassed now because she probably holds herself as a high-value woman.
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And she's like, wait, he didn't drop everything for me.
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So now she's embarrassed and crashing out and doing all this stuff.
01:39:09.560
She pushed even their child, because he was actually pointing out to not tell anyone that the child is of Elon, so for security.
01:39:19.160
He literally pointed out in the messages of the lawsuit that he didn't want her to tell it just for privacy.
01:39:27.720
Yeah, the security is like, and it's crazy that she literally took it and poof, go ahead.
01:39:35.120
It's crazy, honestly, putting her own child, her own baby in that situation.
01:39:42.820
I just feel like it's kind of sad because I feel like she's so wrapped up in her own world and what she wants that, like, honestly, that child's going to have a shitty life growing up.
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Because, you know, he's constantly going to be worried about his safety and constantly worried about the problems of his parents.
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And the parents aren't able to give their 100% into the child because they're so worried about what's going on with the media and lawsuits.
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And it's just like, it's messy and it's really sad for the kid.
01:40:10.120
Well, and a woman in her 30s is probably more capable.
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It's not like you hit a curb on the highway and you're like, oops.
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She kind of fumbled the bag a little bit because he wanted to put another baby in her.
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But instead, well, Valentine's Day, I'm not getting attention.
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Why is the world's richest and busiest man not giving me the attention that I want?
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Um, cause I just found out about who she was today.
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Like, does she just like get her clout off of like, does she get like her clout off of
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just like, like the media, like causing problems or does she have like her own business?
01:41:03.500
She, my understanding is she has no following anywhere besides Twitter.
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So she's a political pundit, a political commentator.
01:41:27.220
Like, we all kind of have like our own things that we're doing.
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Um, I haven't done a deep dive in all her stuff, but she's a cons supposedly a conservative
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And a lot of these people were signal boosting her.
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I mean, part of her big following is she started fucking Elon Musk and then he started boosting
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her on the timeline because he would respond to her shit.
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So if you have Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter signal boosting you, that's going to, that adds
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a lot of, I sort of, uh, credit, not credibility, but.
01:42:19.120
And then the Kamala tweet, like that seemed in line during that timeline.
01:42:25.860
I think also, I think also she was, uh, she was posting, uh, her revenue from, from X.
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And I think a lot of people was like, they suspected they was fucking at that point.
01:42:41.460
May I ask, when did she start coming after you?
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I think the, so I think if we invited her, I'm trying to remember, I think she either tweeted
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about us and then we sent her an invite because we wanted to debate her on her criticisms of
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I could look up the DM history, but, and she made a couple of tweets.
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And then I think, uh, at one point I renamed one of those sex dolls for like two episodes
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or sorry, not sex dolls, mannequins, mannequins.
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I typically, if somebody talks shit back 99% of the time, I just ignore it.
01:43:38.160
But then she fucking kept tweeting and then she, she's in a tweet, a Twitter space, which
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is the one where I asked her, uh, her body count that I pulled up before.
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And then afterwards she, in now deleted tweets and videos, she had a fucking meltdown.
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But in that Twitter space, she's leaking private information about me.
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And I forgot what, I don't know, doing some, just talking shit.
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So I joined the Twitter space and then I asked her the body count question to fucking troll her
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because she's been talking shit about me for months, literally like, uh, almost a year.
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She was talking shit before I went into the Twitter space and confronted her at trolling
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Then after that, she went on multiple podcasts, talk shit about me then.
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I ain't really talked about this girl, but now I'm going to talk about it.
01:44:43.780
I'm going to talk about it because she's giving you something to talk about.
01:44:48.800
Sounds like she used you to get something to talk about in other podcasts, honestly.
01:45:18.540
This was back when he was kind of a little guy.
01:45:20.900
Um, and I, if this, if I was in this situation, I, I agree with what you were saying.
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I mean, this is really just a cry for attention.
01:45:29.260
And if I was in her situation, I would really just keep it low-key and understand that Elon
01:45:37.360
And he does not have time to hang around on red carpets next to beautiful women like Jeff
01:45:43.100
Even though I think Elon Musk would look really cool with that young, hot girl and like as
01:45:49.020
Um, I just don't think that's in the cards for him right now.
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And I feel like you get more bees with honey than vinegar.
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So I think if you just kind of play it safe, play it smart with people who are at that
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And I think, I mean, we don't know all the details yet.
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I mean, he was providing her with this really swanky New York apartment.
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Allegedly it was anywhere from 10,000 to $40,000 apartment.
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She had a security detail that he was paying for.
01:46:27.600
Like, I don't think this is a situation of he just ghosted her.
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So this, I like, they probably had some sort of arrangement.
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I don't think he just totally up and ghosted and she's destitute in the street and she's
01:46:48.260
I think she's upset that he's kind of not giving her the attention that she wants.
01:47:02.260
But in any case, if you're dealing with a man that rich, I mean, Q, if you want to
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speculate, just if they were dealing amongst each other, like what is a multi, multi-billionaire
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offering to a woman in this sort of like a million dollars a year, a bit like how much
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is he just if they're coming to a mutual agreement without the court's involvement?
01:47:25.260
I mean, is it a million a year that he's paying her?
01:47:28.820
I think it's somewhere between probably 500K and yeah, 1.5 mil, enough to keep her satiated
01:47:38.080
If she lives in New York, that's not going to be enough.
01:47:55.520
I mean, it was enough for her to be comfortable.
01:47:59.800
And the point was, I'm going to send you money.
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Don't let the world know who the kid is, his last name, where he's located and all of
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She breached that contract because of her own emotions.
01:48:18.080
I just, like, how far does somebody's greed go?
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Again, we don't know all the details of their arrangement.
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I mean, it could be, this guy could pay her 10 million a year and it's a blip to him.
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But it's like, how, how far does your greed go?
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Now you want the attention and you want more money.
01:48:38.560
Like if he's our, if you guys have already, let's assume that here's the agreement that
01:48:45.060
She gets a million a year for the next 20 years.
01:48:51.540
Uh, why, why do you need to make it a spectacle at that point?
01:49:01.400
But like, don't fucking start all this meddling shit.
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Especially if you're dealing a man like Elon Musk, for sure.
01:49:16.960
You think she deserves more than a million a year?
01:49:19.120
I don't think she deserves more, but I think she wants more.
01:49:38.700
Is there, I don't know if there's any lawyers in the chat who practice family law in New York City.
01:49:44.100
New York City, my understanding is, it's based on the father, or well, in this case, the father's income.
01:49:51.520
So there's no cap on how much he could pay in child support.
01:49:56.620
Now, I suspect this would come to some sort of settlement.
01:50:00.820
I don't know if the court's going to make a determination.
01:50:04.180
But like, this guy makes, but a lot of it is stock, so I don't know how that plays into it.
01:50:08.920
But like, if you're getting a percentage of somebody who makes billions of dollars a year, what does that look like?
01:50:32.240
We're going to see how much Elon Musk is in trouble with the New York City child support calculator.
01:50:38.820
Daisy, I think you probably used this one, too.
01:50:57.240
Here, let me see if we, Elon Musk, gross income.
01:51:12.280
What do you think, what do you think his gross annual income is?
01:53:01.940
This is why there needs to be caps on child support.
01:53:05.200
So, in no world does it take 1.53 billion to raise a kid.
01:53:15.880
I know people in the chat are saying income, not net worth.
01:53:31.860
If his net worth is 384 billion, I don't think that's crazy to say his income would be 10 billion.
01:54:02.200
The Elon empire will span the globe, but seriously, as someone who genuinely supports
01:54:11.420
You can't go around knocking up women just because you're rich.
01:54:16.260
Well, he's got, like, a Genghis Khan thing going.
01:54:23.980
Brian, for $1 million cash post tax, would you make amends with Ashley, move in with her,
01:54:37.980
First off, if I have a kid with Ashley St. Clair, do I, can I, is that income, is child support
01:54:48.840
Because I'll take a percent of the, you know, I'll have a kid with her.
01:54:58.240
But, look, if I can go after her child support, like, if I can get child support from her child
01:55:03.920
support, because at $1.53 billion, she's making more than me, eh, I'll knock her up.
01:55:22.680
But, he has this obsession that the population of the world is actually decreasing, and that
01:55:31.220
Like, he's been telling the same thing since, like, day one.
01:55:35.180
But, anyways, that's it for the Ashley St. Clair stuff.
01:55:39.000
But, can you get child support off of child support?
01:56:09.820
All right, I'm going to move it on to the next thing here.
01:56:12.320
I need to get up for just a moment, though, to change a couple things.
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Does anybody have, like, a dating thing that they want to touch on while I got to get up for a sec?
01:56:42.500
When I first moved to California, I was living in the tech area where Google, Facebook, the Zuckerbergs, everything.
01:56:54.580
What I was seeing or experiencing was on the dating apps, there was three men that I came across.
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We were about to meet up, and he goes, I should probably let you know, I'm married, have three children.
01:57:20.500
The wives left them for another woman because they opened up their marriage to a threesome.
01:57:30.280
What I ended up hearing from the men who got their hearts broken was the women were actually attracted to more the feminine.
01:57:43.540
He was then very lost because he thought he found the woman of his dreams.
01:57:49.780
There are a lot of emasculated men in California.
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That was proof to me there's something a little off here.
01:58:17.160
I do worry that men don't know the difference between a truly feminine woman and a masculine woman.
01:58:28.100
I mean the first thing you have to look at is this whole boss babe phenomenon that's going on.
01:58:34.620
Like a lot of these women, like do you know if their wives, I don't know what conversations you had with them,
01:58:39.100
but do you know if their wives had like their own things going on?
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Did they, were they, did they have like high income levels?
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Were they doing things to where they were in positions of authority, leadership?
01:58:50.120
The men, you know, acquiesced to what they want.
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California, you do need mainly a two income, a household.
01:59:01.120
So yeah, a lot of women are pursuing their own money.
01:59:07.820
Kind of what I'm getting to get back to Ashley, even with all the money, she still wants something going on in her life.
01:59:23.260
I think, I think a lot of men, well first I will say feminism contribute to that.
01:59:27.500
Of course, but I think men struggle setting boundaries.
01:59:34.060
Like a lot of guys, they conform to what their women want and they try to please their women way too much and they don't want to lose their women.
01:59:42.040
And that in itself is feminine because a lot of women, sometimes you have to put your foot down.
01:59:47.940
Sometimes you have to tell your woman, I'm not going for this, this is how it's going to be.
01:59:52.280
If you don't like it, you can get the step in, like essentially.
01:59:55.760
And I find that often, like in my clientele, a lot of guys who have lost their balls in a relationship, they're scared to open their mouth up to their woman and tell their woman what they won't accept.
02:00:07.180
They're scared to discipline their woman in a way to where they think their woman would leave them.
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And to me what that conveys is that the woman has more leverage in a relationship.
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She's higher in mate value than he is because a man should never be scared to lose his woman if it means he keeps his respect.
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They give up footing in a relationship in order to please their woman, to keep the relationship going.
02:00:31.460
And that's true that to some degree as a man, if you want the relationship to work, then you've got to be willing to hear your woman out.
02:00:41.680
Of course she has to say, you can delegate, hey baby, you want to do this, give her options, but ultimately you make the decision.
02:00:48.460
But when it comes to things like opening up a marriage, that's not a good idea on any man's behalf because what a woman is going to do,
02:00:54.880
if a woman wants an open marriage, then essentially her respect for you and her attraction to you has diminished.
02:00:59.640
And if she's stepping outside of the marriage, she's bound to have an emotional connection with whoever she's letting in on that end.
02:01:08.280
And the fact that she already lacks that respect for you to allow an open marriage means that she's already one foot out the door.
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So you said the guys initiated the open marriage or the women suggested?
02:01:23.100
It was actually, they saw it, instead of having more children, they were like, okay, it's feeling a little stale is what it sounded like to me.
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I don't believe men should ever, ever accept a woman saying, hey, I think we should have an open marriage.
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From the moment your woman said that, you lost your woman.
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I feel like instead of opening your marriage, like, they should actually try to have a better communication without having the fear.
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Like, two adults sitting down and be like, hey, you not maybe doing this makes me feel less loved or I feel lack of attention.
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I feel like people should actually try to be more.
02:02:07.360
The caveat here, every single one of them married in their 20s.
02:02:13.800
So they, the woman did not develop communication.
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And this is where I get the push for marriage, family.
02:02:27.620
But women need time to be able to learn about themselves and what they truly want.
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And then they can fully, in my opinion, be led by a man.
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I think, I personally think a man helps them see that, though.
02:02:40.720
But that's a man who understands who he is and knows where he's going.
02:02:45.480
Because as a guy, like, with my girlfriend, I'm six years older than my girlfriend.
02:02:51.020
But when I step into her life and I tell her what we're doing, how we're going to do things, I tell her what her role is, even though sometimes, you know, she gets caught up in her own way.
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That's, that's, that's, that's in any relationship.
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I redirect her and let her know, listen, I know you even, I tell her this, I know you better than you know yourself because I'm good at analyzing human behavior.
02:03:15.420
I see the little things that you do that can become problematic down the line.
02:03:19.000
It's better that you learn how to check that right now because if you don't, we're not going to work because I'm not going to put up with that.
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And that's just like teaching your woman, molding your woman as you go along.
02:03:27.580
It helps her understand that your identity is going to be essentially incorporated to who I am.
02:03:34.060
So it's not going to be about you and how you operate all the time and what you want.
02:03:37.600
You're going to have to consider how would I feel about what you're doing.
02:03:40.380
You're going to have to move considering what would he think about this.
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And I think a guy who knows who he is and has established himself as the, as the masculine presence in the relationship has no issue conveying that.
02:03:52.120
And a woman who really respects him and wants to be with him has no issue following.
02:03:58.620
How long did it take you to feel in that competent role of I'm ready to lead a woman?
02:04:06.720
Like it came natural for me because I've always been a leader.
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So like a lot of the social circles I was in and everything, I gained my competence through like sports, popularity, through attracting the girls that other guys wanted.
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There was nobody over me that I was trying to conform to or follow or looked up to or anything like that.
02:04:36.720
So I just learned how to be a leader on my own.
02:04:46.720
When you get in sports, other guys start to look up to you.
02:04:48.840
So that popularity sort of masks from me being competent in other ways.
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And I realized that the respect comes when other guys respect you.
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It's just the natural, it's the way the social order works.
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They see that you command respect from other guys and they want to know who you are.
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And women have also told me that I can be intimidating in a sense to where I look like I don't play.
02:05:19.540
Like I get approached, I've been cold approached by women.
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I've been on the shade room, 50,000 likes as a bachelor, eligible bachelor, et cetera, et cetera.
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They approach me trying to understand what I'm about.
02:05:33.480
They approach me as if, look, I want to be a girl.
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I'm going to show you why I should be the one that you commit to.
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And that's always been my experience even starting in high school.
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So I've never, I understand men who haven't experienced that.
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But I try to teach men that that's how you need to approach dating.
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They already fear what the woman is going to do.
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They fear that the woman is going to leave them.
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They're not confident in themselves and what they've built and how they operate.
02:06:02.600
So they believe that that's why a lot of men leave with money, too.
02:06:06.220
Because they don't know how to assert themselves emotionally.
02:06:10.960
But that's already like if you start immediately being somebody else because you're afraid that you're not going to be with her.
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You're already starting the relationship like you're not yourself.
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So it's like immediately it's going to already end.
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You're going to be depressed because you're keeping up this facade which it's not you.
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Be yourself and let her decide if she likes you for who you are.
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So many men trying to put on a facade to impress women thinking, oh, she wants me to be this kind of guy.
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She already has the leverage because you're playing into her hands.
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You're trying to be who you think she wants you to be.
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And if she says, no, that's not me, then say, okay, the hell with you.
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The leading her out of bad behaviors, if you will.
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What I gathered from one was she never got the chance in her idea of the perfect world to explore because they had children so early.
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In my mind, a woman kind of figuring herself out a bit in her 20s does give room for where she's going to be all in later on in life.
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If a man's plucking from like the 19, 20, 21, 22, those are very, a woman is just going to either play, manipulate, like she's kind of in her dark feminine, but she doesn't know any better yet.
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So I do have issues with men kind of grooming who are in their 30s.
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This is a very California thing I've been seeing here.
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You would get a lot of shit in Wisconsin if a 30-some-year-old man was dating an early 20-year-old woman.
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So let's say she meets a man in his 30s, and he goes, I claim you.
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What I'm trying to speak of is, let's say, because she never got the chance to explore the world on her own, really, in a way.
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They don't want to travel just always with a partner.
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Is that a prerequisite to being a well-developed human being?
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Can I get a show of hands of who all has had the dream of?
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So, you realize for the vast majority of human history, people didn't leave, like, their immediate 10-mile radius for, like, their entire lives?
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Would it be predatory for somebody to date somebody who hasn't traveled?
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I'm just saying a lot of what, when I hear about dating profiles, that's what women say they want, what men say they want.
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Why would that be any sort of negative indicator on a man who wants to date her because of her lack thereof of any sort of traveling?
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I picture the meek, quiet, unopinionated woman.
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Oh, so you're describing exactly what men want.
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Let's say a man who's dating a 30-year-old woman who's never left her hometown ever, or a man who dates a 19-year-old who's been to, like, who's done a fuck-ton of traveling, even at 19.
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Which, by the way, I reject the premise that it's predatory at all, but in your worldview, which one's more predatory?
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Okay, so choosing the 30 versus the 19-year-old, the one right out of high school?
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But the 30-year-old, she grew up in a really small town, and she's never traveled, versus the 19-year-old, she's some OF girl who lives in Los Angeles.
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Okay, I was saying a woman who's shaping her ideas of how the world works.
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I just threw travel in because that's usually a desirable for people.
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It could be a woman with, I think, the word simp.
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I'll have to share what I think truly a feminine woman does.
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She understands her own nervous system, her own emotions, her own wants, needs, and can
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Grooming gets messed up if a woman hasn't developed all that stuff.
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If he's telling her, this is how I think you feel.
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This is what I consistently think you need outside of money, how to lead her life, and
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all those things, a woman still needs to understand her own, I don't know what word to use for
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A 30-year-old man dating a 20-year-old, do you think he's grooming her?
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I think she needs a little time to understand herself, yes.
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Like, do women, do young women not have, like, mental faculties or agency?
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I wish we could take a test to vote, to be honest with you.
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Okay, but when should women be allowed to vote, then, since we're taking away their
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No, so you want to take away, you want women to not be able to vote until what age?
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Women can vote on infinitely complex political and social things, but they can't decide who
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So either women have agency, and they can vote on, like, all these really complex issues,
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Do you want a woman who's messed up pretty hormonally, partying a lot, does it really loss
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I would be fine with raising the voting age for everybody.
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But some of these young girls that I have seen on this podcast are pretty lost in the
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sense of where they're accepting money from much, much older men, and these girls look
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We have to define our terms if we're going to have a conversation about this.
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He's completely telling her who she is because she has not had the liberty to learn about
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Do relationships not help you understand who you are?
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So when you say he's telling her who she is, he's not telling her who she is.
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She might be learning who she is based on what he says to her and the conflict that they
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Well, I don't want to say not an age limit, but if you're talking about a 20-year-old woman
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and a 30-year-old man, she's fully competent and cognizant of, so far, who she is, how she
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behaves, and if she likes a guy, what she's going to do in that relationship.
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They know what's disrespectful to men or what men can perceive as disrespectful.
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And if they don't, if you're in a relationship, if I'm in a relationship with a younger woman
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and I tell her, you know, hey, partying and clubbing is not a good look, or there's guys,
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There's guys who could put things in your drink.
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You could end up making some pretty, you know, fucked up decisions.
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The images I have in my head are the, these are real relationships in this area.
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Or not misunderstand, but we have a different idea of what grooming is.
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Wait, but is this, if it's consensual, is it grooming?
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She has a lot of issues with it because he's like, you can leave.
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She's a sugar, wait, she's a sugar baby though.
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You might personally disagree with that dynamic, but if he was up front with her, if he brought
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it to her, and here's the terms, up front, and she agreed to it, I don't actually see
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I wasn't agreeing with you because if they both agree to it, then what the hell's the problem?
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I think it's their thing they're going to do, but what they want to do.
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You're speaking of, the woman's experience matters.
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I'm talking about the men who the woman's experience doesn't matter.
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So, it's grooming if the guy wants to date a woman who doesn't have certain life experiences.
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She's not allowed to speak for what feels good for her or not.
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She's not allowed to voice her needs, her wants.
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If a 30-year-old man is dating a 40-year-old woman, but she's not allowed to do any of that,
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When I think of grooming, like, I mean, I've Googled it.
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So, there's like the historical term where it was, for example, let's see here.
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The practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity.
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So, for example, like the prince would be groomed to become king one day.
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So, he would be taught diplomacy and be taught these things so that when he's young,
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he could be prepared to be the king one day and know how to navigate diplomacy, politics,
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There's this next definition, which is maybe closer to what you're saying.
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The action of attempting to form a relationship with a child or young person with the intention
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of sexually assaulting them or inducing them to commit an illegal act, such as selling drugs
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I feel like that's kind of like a bit of a buzzword.
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It's like you're using the spin to paint something in such a way that it's going to
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What I was trying to get at is the idea that just because a man is providing a lot of money.
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A woman's going to, like what we were just talking about with Ashley, could feed into
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that, get the money, but she's not truly, like he may be devotional to him, she's not
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We'll move off of grooming, but you have a problem with, it sounds like, older men dating younger
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Because I think the younger woman hasn't quite developed.
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I know the whole maturity thing is one thing, but a young woman hasn't really developed
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I mean, some men, older men don't develop that for a while.
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So there's, I mean, I think you can find these levels of development at any age though.
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As somebody who's dated women older than me, my age, younger, I've met really cool, amazing,
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like, well put together, younger women, you know, 20, whatever.
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And then I've met women who are older than me, women who are my age, who are fucking basket
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So this idea that, oh, you be, like, I think there's this tendency, especially when you're
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I think, like when I was maybe in high school or in my early 20s, you look up to people who
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A lot of these people are still just as dumb as they were when they were younger.
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Like, this idea, actually, I think a lot of people get worse because if you've got mental
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illness of some kind, that shit typically doesn't get better.
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If you're dealing like a personality disorder, excuse me, personality disorder, BPD, bipolar,
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NPD, whatever it is, that shit gets worse as you get older.
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It does not get better unless you've had some pretty intensive psychiatric care or therapy.
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Even then, I don't think that most of that therapy stuff is bullshit.
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What about the whole idea that a young woman who hasn't been tainted by a lot of men, not
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I'm saying, I think this is a certain red pill says this, but young women tend to come with
02:21:43.540
Oh, because you, you described one that I do agree with, with the, um, wants to go to
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parties, wants to get brought around the world by, yeah.
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Do you have more baggage now than you did at 18?
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The, the more, the longer you live, the more experiences you've had, good and bad.
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But what is that in a man saying, I don't want a woman because she does, to me.
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What would be wrong with that if that's a man's standard?
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I want a woman with as little baggage as possible.
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What is actually wrong with wanting somebody who doesn't have baggage or who has less of
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Because if shit gets hard, do you think you're truly capable of leading her through the.
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I think the more wounds you've inflicted, honestly, I think it, in some, in some situations,
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I actually think the more wounds you have, I think it makes you more susceptible to a subsequent
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So, like, if you've been punched in the face, this happens with MMA fighters.
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If they start getting a bunch of scar tissue, they become much more likely to bleed from
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that location had there not been any scar tissue at all.
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So, um, I don't know if that's a perfect one-to-one comparison, but like this idea that, oh, as
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a woman, I've been through so much shit, so much trauma, so much baggage.
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You're going to be moving in a certain type of way.
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I think most people, their first love, probably going to, not always, but like you're a little
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bit more on guard after you've dealt with a bunch of different situations.
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When you say you want a woman, you think women should be able to explore their own ideas,
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develop emotionally, that also endures negativity that comes with that.
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So, it's a catch-22 in a sense because now you have this woman.
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If this woman has experienced life, she's traveled, she's developed her own identity, she's got
02:24:37.240
But if a guy prefers a younger woman, it's typically because her impressionability is to his advantage.
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It means that she hasn't endured some of the things that would make her relationship habits
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So, the issue that's coming up in me with this is women are kind of raised, especially
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if the father was in their life, to want to go after and live a full life.
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So, now you're telling women, no, you should have only your sole focus be about getting
02:25:18.600
We're having a discussion about age gap relationships.
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But if she doesn't do that in her 20s, then she has a lot of baggage, and then men don't
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Did not say that whatsoever, but let me ask you a question.
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I was raised with a mother who is seven years older than her father, and they're still
02:25:50.640
So, you've always dated guys who are, like, one or two years, like, around you, pretty
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I appreciate the commonality in a lot of things.
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Well, I want to get a question for the whole panel on the age gap relationship things.
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Who here is, like, fine with age gap relationships?
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Meaning, like, I myself have had age gaps, and I think women mature sooner than men.
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But I also think, like, who do men, like, who do women have baggage from?
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Like, a lot of times it's men doing certain things or toxic behavior, and they just stick
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And then they don't take accountability for what they've done to that woman, and then
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they move on to someone who's more likely to be naive or more likely to just take it
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because she's still kind of coming out of that Disney fairy tale, haven't, like, had my
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So I'm more hopeful, I'm more willing, and then she'll put up with his behavior, and then
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the cycle repeats where she then gets older and has baggage, and then they go for someone
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And I think, I don't have, like, a problem with age gap.
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Like, I have friends that have age gap, and, like, I've had it myself as well.
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But I do think that a man's inability to stay by a woman, like, long-term and not just go
02:27:37.400
for someone younger and then someone younger is...
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Didn't you, you ended it with your 10-year relationship, didn't you?
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Oh, so wouldn't that indicate your inability to stay with somebody long-term?
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Yeah, but, like, women overwhelmingly end relationships and initiate divorces.
02:28:02.540
So this idea that men are, like, throwing you guys out, I don't really think that's the
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I think you guys overwhelmingly end relationships.
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I mean, we can go around the table, but I'd be pretty confident to say most of you guys
02:28:20.860
But so what, how would that be evidence then of, how would that be evidence of men just,
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like, discarding women when it's women who, like, you guys like to say...
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Just because, like, a woman leaves doesn't mean that, like, he hasn't done damage to her.
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Like, the man could be physically violent and you leave him.
02:28:39.480
But, but, uh, I think those instances tend to be, I mean, some women have, like, some
02:28:47.140
sort of attraction to, like, abusive toxic men.
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I don't know how much of the responsibility on that is on women for, like, intentionally
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picking, like, going after, like, toxic jerks who are abusive.
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Uh, I don't think you should be abusive to begin with, but, like, if you're attracted
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to that kind of guy, don't be surprised when you actually end up getting abused.
02:29:04.640
But this idea, like, this idea that men are commitment phobic, it's interesting to me.
02:29:10.140
So I don't really think men are scared of commitment.
02:29:12.760
I think, and perhaps even if they are, there's some degree of justification for their fear
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of commitment because when you guys do get commitment as women, you overwhelmingly end
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If you were just talking about, like, relationships and breakups, I've had a lot of women on the
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show overwhelmingly, they say, oh, I broke up with, like, most of my boyfriends.
02:29:39.980
Maybe I'm sure it's because it's the young women.
02:29:43.720
Because a woman, if she's dating someone, she's not fully knowing what she's
02:29:52.600
And she has a man come in and things don't feel good for her.
02:30:01.260
But he's leading them into a vision of you're my forever where she's waffling because she's
02:30:07.180
like, oh, but I'm looking at other men or I want to do this thing or I want to explore
02:30:15.200
Those women did that because they all married in their early 20s.
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Because he was, I don't know how much older he was.
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If she's thinking that and she's in a relationship with a good dude, back to the streets.
02:30:27.760
But, I mean, I guess we can address that really quick.
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Like, everybody's, are you cool with age gap relationships?
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I think it would be hypocritical for me to speak on it because I've dated guys a lot younger
02:30:49.940
I have dated someone younger than me and someone older than me and I definitely prefer the older
02:31:04.820
I'd say, like, from now on, I'd only date a guy that's, like, at least two years older
02:31:17.760
It's about the experience the people had in their past.
02:31:25.960
I had mainly older partners and just my actual relationship is younger than me, but this is
02:31:35.380
And I just met him and we were in the same, we had the same opinions.
02:31:56.860
Because I want to go on the, using, like, the numbers you provided.
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Are there objections there from anyone on the panel where there weren't, previously weren't
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I mean, I had that exact same age gap before, but I wouldn't necessarily want that for,
02:32:34.940
No, I think it's okay if he dates a dumb woman, too.
02:32:44.120
Look, I think an intelligent woman is a benefit for a couple reasons.
02:32:48.140
One, like, you can actually, hopefully, it's difficult.
02:32:53.300
So, like, if you're arguing with somebody who just doesn't understand logic, that's
02:33:02.960
So, like, an intelligent woman, like, if you're like, no, you're fucking wrong.
02:33:07.420
But if you're like, oh, here's why you're wrong.
02:33:09.600
And she's like, oh, I can logically understand that.
02:33:11.580
But if you're just arguing with somebody who's just stupid and doesn't understand logic.
02:33:15.140
And this can be both men and women, by the way.
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You can be, maybe you guys have been arguing with a guy.
02:33:24.040
Like, both men and women can do this shit for sure.
02:33:27.080
But, like, so an intelligent woman, you can actually, like, she'll actually be able to
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But they can also double down on, like, the most ridiculous logic.
02:33:37.860
So, but also, when it comes to stupid women, you know, like, there's kind of nice about
02:33:46.280
Because if you're intelligent, that's where all, like, I think if you're intelligent, this
02:33:56.020
Like, if you're, you know the really smart people?
02:33:58.100
Like, they all suffer from, like, anxiety and depression and all this shit.
02:34:01.560
Because they're fucking thinking about, like, god damn, in, like, a billion years, the
02:34:06.500
You know, they're thinking about existential shit.
02:34:09.060
And they're too, they're too smart for their own good.
02:34:14.500
So, there's something nice about somebody who's just, as long as you're pleasant and
02:34:18.740
I don't know, there's something a little nice about somebody who's simple.
02:34:23.380
You know, they don't have to be a fucking rocket scientist.
02:34:25.880
I don't want somebody who's going to be a problem, though.
02:34:28.500
Because you can have a low IQ or you can be stupid and fuck shit up in certain ways.
02:34:33.900
But if you're just kind of simple, I don't need no fucking Mensa, like Mensa, that's
02:34:57.020
Like, how do you figure out if a woman is, she's going to be unstable?
02:35:01.020
Because you don't really know that until conflict arises, right?
02:35:12.540
Because you said earlier, you were like, it's very hard to become my girlfriend.
02:35:16.680
So, how, like, what did your girlfriend do that you were like, okay, yeah, like, that's
02:35:23.100
She was all in on a level that, basically, if I could write down how I want my woman to
02:35:44.120
But do you actually attract it to her in the first place?
02:35:50.760
Oh, you knew her for two years before you pursued her?
02:35:54.480
And from the, and, um, from the way that I approached her, I could tell the type of girl
02:35:58.320
that she was by the way that she responded to me.
02:36:00.420
And then when we finally hung out and everything, and she actually, she said from the moment
02:36:05.080
that I, I kind of approached her and then left it alone, like planted the seed and wanted
02:36:11.340
So I kind of basically just, you know, told her how attractive she was, might've flirted
02:36:15.280
a little bit sexually, and then left, kind of left it like that to fester, to see if she
02:36:35.480
Or when I would post on my story, I'm about to go here.
02:36:42.060
And then when we started dating, she would do things like, uh, get me little gifts.
02:36:47.260
She would buy me little things like here and there.
02:36:50.400
She'd be like, Oh no, I get this for you or whatever.
02:36:52.140
Like we went to Busch Gardens and we was getting some drinks.
02:36:54.560
She was like, I get the drinks, things like that.
02:36:57.520
My sign, I don't believe in astrology, but I'm, I'm, I'm a Sag, I'm a Sagittarius.
02:37:05.860
Um, she is a, whatever she's a Capricorn actually.
02:37:27.680
Um, like I said, because for me, like it's hard for a woman to behave in a way that makes
02:37:40.140
So if we involved with one another and you trying to play it safe or you don't let me know
02:37:45.260
Like she told me, she was like, I don't want you seeing any other women.
02:37:49.820
She overtly stated that to me because two years.
02:37:53.900
Because she, because she already knew she, she called them respectable women.
02:38:01.020
Were you guys just friends or were you waiting?
02:38:08.500
We were attracted to each other, but she didn't press the issue.
02:38:11.700
She kind of just sat back and played her position and just focused on her life.
02:38:18.720
She would say that she hated that I didn't text her or I didn't invite her out places,
02:38:26.220
Um, and then, you know, we hung out a little bit more and it finally got to the point where
02:38:30.180
she finally was like, I want you all to myself.
02:38:39.060
Cause I'm like, um, I don't want to give up what I'm doing, but she made it worth it.
02:38:51.320
He says, all I hear is blame shifting, lacking accountability and deflection.
02:38:54.500
When I hear them say grooming, good to see you in the chat, Pelagic, thank you for the
02:38:59.660
Um, I guess we can wrap up on the age gap thing really quick.
02:39:05.140
I should not have, I understand what you're saying with grooming and I take it back in
02:39:10.860
I was more on board with grooming, meaning controlling, um, that the woman's experience doesn't matter.
02:39:16.580
But what I'm hearing you say is grooming is here's my vision.
02:39:19.720
Here's how I want our life to look that I'm on board with, not what you have to say.
02:39:29.900
I mean, but it sounds like you still have a bit of a quarrel with, uh, the age gap stuff
02:39:36.300
Cause I just think, and this is my own bias when I was that age, I was in the longest
02:39:42.540
And we, and granted he was close to my age, but I was not good at handling conflict.
02:39:50.260
And yes, the man could lead a woman out of that, but I just look back at that time and
02:39:54.480
I, I had to learn a lot of what it was like to not be in the right relationship for me.
02:40:01.120
And I did learn, I've learned a lot in my years.
02:40:10.360
But I guess it sounds like the men that you're interested in, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong,
02:40:15.400
the men you're interested in now, you find that a lot of them want to date younger women.
02:40:22.120
Well, it's, um, you said it wouldn't fly in Wisconsin, but it wouldn't actually.
02:40:27.660
Um, but yeah, here the age gap is pretty prevalent.
02:40:35.640
I mean, the thing is, I mean, a lot of people, when I have the age gap discussion, like I,
02:40:41.260
I'm not like saying this is how it should be when I'm having this conversation.
02:40:45.720
I'm saying if this is how it is, I don't really see anything wrong with that.
02:40:51.260
I think probably the vast majority of women, uh, young women probably want to date a guy
02:40:57.660
Like if you're 19, probably want to date like a 20 year old or 19 or like that's most women.
02:41:02.860
And I'm not saying like, Oh, you have to go and date a 30 year old man.
02:41:05.940
But if she wants to date the 30 year old man and he wants to date her and don't see, I don't
02:41:15.880
I was under the impression and I will own this and I will apologize to you.
02:41:19.280
I thought it was a, well, I thought it was a, um, pursue younger women because they
02:41:27.360
That's probably not you, but that's the path that I was thinking.
02:41:35.080
So, I mean, first off, again, I'll reiterate that.
02:41:38.440
I think the majority of young women probably want to date guys around their age.
02:41:41.340
Like, you know, if you're in college, you probably want to date a college guy.
02:41:43.820
If you're 19, you want to date a guy who's like 19, 20, 21 in that age range.
02:41:48.840
Um, that's probably the case for the majority of women.
02:41:51.780
I think a higher proportion though, of men who are a bit older, uh, in terms of what they
02:41:57.400
find attractive in the partner, there's a, now there's obviously the question of, can
02:42:03.040
But in terms of what I think men find most attractive, yeah, most men probably find women
02:42:08.660
between the ages of 20 to 25, the most attractive for a variety of reasons.
02:42:12.940
One of those would be fertility, but I think it just comes down to that, like, probably
02:42:17.440
But the biggest thing I think is it actually probably comes down to, uh, there's a couple
02:42:24.040
Comes down to like, probably, yeah, they're just like less, less baggage.
02:42:31.520
Men don't want, like the biggest thing I think a lot of men look for, like, especially a guy
02:42:37.540
Like if you have choice, like a guy who doesn't have choice, he's going to put up with a bunch
02:42:45.060
If you need earmuffs when I use that word, but a lot of men, a lot of men, if they don't
02:42:50.400
have choice, will deal with a crazy chick for pussy.
02:42:56.360
But a guy who has options, if you introduce drama and conflict and you disrupt his peace,
02:43:05.980
especially if he's a dude on his mission, goodbye, like you are done.
02:43:13.920
You can be, you can be peace at any age, but like he's also going to be looking towards
02:43:22.480
With the mindset that the younger woman automatically means less baggage.
02:43:26.920
Look, there's, there's, you could find a 30 year old who's fantastic and deal with a 20
02:43:34.340
I do think there is one component though, that I've actually never, I've actually never
02:43:42.920
So it's, it comes down to who's a catch and this is just a reality, right?
02:43:51.500
Or no, what's the specific terminology on this?
02:43:58.720
There are going to be more 20 year old, 20 year old keepers than there are 30 year old
02:44:06.200
Because that's an additional 10 year time that she could have been kept or he could have
02:44:15.580
So the reality is if you're a 30 year old guy, you got to think the 30 year old women,
02:44:25.300
But not to say that you can't find a 30 year old woman who's a great woman, but like the
02:44:31.440
proportion of the dating pool, the percentage of the dating pool of women who are like, this
02:44:45.240
Because, you know, at 20, maybe you've had one boyfriend and you're single.
02:44:51.420
You didn't, it didn't work out with one other dude.
02:44:54.000
But as you get older, you've had more opportunities to have been kept.
02:45:01.100
So the, the pool of optimal, optimum partners starts shrinking as you get older.
02:45:11.040
And I think this applies to both men and women, but I think there's some differences, but that's
02:45:18.200
But as two people in our mid thirties, we also are seeing a lot of people coming out
02:45:24.260
So that's where I hear lack of a better phrase for older women.
02:45:29.040
It's kind of, we should just go fuck ourselves.
02:45:32.900
Um, I don't know if that's, I mean, you should, if you want to get married, you can still date,
02:45:46.300
I'm, I'm genuinely curious about this because it's, I do believe in true love and it's, it's
02:45:52.100
heartbreaking as a woman when I would love what we all want.
02:45:56.240
The fairy tale of a man coming in and kind of being the white, not save me from anything,
02:46:04.320
Unfortunately, there are men though, that also don't lead that path very well.
02:46:10.700
And it's not, it doesn't have to always be super physically abusive.
02:46:13.700
It could just be like, we're not in a relationship place for one, one another.
02:46:20.240
That's happens more than we're talking about people actually staying together.
02:46:23.900
So the baggage problem is if we were living in a perfect world, yeah, we all would be
02:46:33.520
So I'm trying to speak for what should these women in their, around my age do so that men
02:46:40.020
do see them as, Hey, that's actually a viable option verse.
02:46:45.320
I mean, you can level up as much as you can as a woman, whether that's working on your
02:46:52.520
personality, becoming more agreeable, um, uh, staying physically fit, that sort of thing.
02:47:02.300
The issue is though, is women are pretty cutthroat when it comes to how, uh, they dated in their
02:47:16.420
But in the same way that you as women, we're not, men aren't owed relationships.
02:47:26.320
And you're not, you're not owed a relationship because you're in your thirties.
02:47:29.720
And also that experience thing you was talking about, it goes back to that.
02:47:33.180
And what I've observed is that a lot of women, they become even more selective when they get
02:47:39.300
older as if they still have the mate value that they had when they were younger.
02:47:43.140
So when women go through things, when they get to the point where I'm not going to put
02:47:47.700
up with this anymore, and you already have a pool that isn't as large as what you had
02:47:52.740
when you were younger, because you were more fertile, you were physically more attractive.
02:47:56.940
You had more to offer in the mind of a man from his perception.
02:48:00.820
When you get older and you still operating under the guise of, oh, I know what I deserve.
02:48:09.220
Well, at this point you do kind of have to settle.
02:48:11.520
You have to be more open and receptive to the options that you have available to you
02:48:15.240
because you don't have the same leverage that you had when you was younger.
02:48:18.520
And I don't think a lot of women realize that they still operate as if they're 23 years
02:48:22.980
old when they're 37, 38, 40, as if they still have the same leverage in dating and they don't.
02:48:36.800
I mean, how many guys, do you have any guys in the friend zone?
02:48:42.400
That's, I don't personally want guys as friends.
02:48:46.520
It does happen because I do a lot of what are considered masculine activities.
02:48:55.740
I feel bad about this, but I'm very clear with them.
02:49:01.300
How many men have you, like, been in that situation in the past year?
02:49:10.040
Well, you said you've been single for one year.
02:49:17.320
So, since moving here, putting guys in the friend zone, I'd say about, there's four.
02:49:23.900
They didn't pursue, if one of them could step up and lead in the way you are, it might have
02:49:55.360
I sent you a message for you to come be on the show.
02:50:03.080
I was using dating apps to get women to come be on the show.
02:50:27.720
Is because you sent me a message saying, hey, do you want to come on the show?
02:50:37.400
But you were on the show, what, like two years ago?
02:50:41.720
I have some guy friends that are DJs and they use dating apps to get girls to come out and
02:50:48.620
But they don't want to date any of, like, one of them fully has a girlfriend that he's
02:50:53.420
And she knows about it and he just uses it to get, like, the client's help.
02:50:58.740
But so, just to wrap up, I guess, with the thing.
02:51:03.560
How many matches in total did you get on the dating apps?
02:51:28.460
Is it bad for me a turnoff is if a man fully crosses his legs?
02:51:37.580
I mean, I don't call ick stupid because it's an ick.
02:51:40.040
I mean, it's your physiological response, but...
02:51:50.360
When you're turned off by something a man does.
02:51:52.880
So, in terms of your body language, yes, I think as a guy, it's going to be viewed negatively
02:52:01.680
If you cross your legs, I think, like, oh, I can't date this dude because he did this.
02:52:15.220
You're complaining about men not wanting to, like, date you or whatever, but you, like,
02:52:45.940
You might have to accept that shit, to be honest.
02:52:54.520
I was gonna say, is he on the right dating app?
02:53:08.660
I don't know if he was bi-curious, but I don't know.
02:53:27.380
If you want to stop dealing with dudes who want butt stuff, you gotta switch things up
02:53:48.560
Because, honestly, I think it funnels all the lowest quality mates into one place.
02:53:54.440
That's probably why it's been a bunch of first dates.
02:53:56.400
So, with all the traveling and stuff that you do, why not try to meet somebody organically?
02:54:07.600
We probably could have made it work if he would have stepped up and led a bit better.
02:54:21.860
You know what's interesting, though, on the, like, exploring and experience and travel thing?
02:54:27.620
No, but you brought that up as kind of, like, one of the objections.
02:54:34.680
Look, you're not going to like what I'm about to say.
02:54:38.860
As a guy, if you're a girl and you're telling us, I've been here, I've been here, I've been here, I've been here, I've been here, you want to know how we take that?
02:54:48.300
You're not going to like it, but you've got to understand the male perspective.
02:54:51.640
If a girl says, I've been to Dubai, I've been to Vienna, I've been to Zurich, I've been fucking everywhere, wherever.
02:55:11.980
Oh, Paris, under the Eiffel Tower, fucked a dude, fucked a French guy.
02:55:15.560
Oh, Spain, Spain, you know, a little Spanish conqueror.
02:55:24.700
If you tell us, oh, I've done this, I've had this experience, that's how we filter that.
02:55:45.880
If she's a flight attendant, she's definitely fucked.
02:55:47.920
What if she's, like, going to different countries to, like, help people with no homes or something?
02:55:54.200
Oh, we'll get into that, but if she's a flight...
02:56:04.640
Well, I mean, we saw what happened recently with the...
02:56:07.240
In Toronto, with the plane upside down, that was an all-female crew.
02:56:14.940
Fucking, what is it, Delta United or some bullshit with their fucking DEI bullshit.
02:56:26.940
If she's a flight attendant, I've matched with girls who are flight attendants before.
02:56:42.460
And I'm like, oh, how long are you in town for?
02:57:02.100
And that same conversation I had with her here in Santa Barbara, she's doing that in Seattle.
02:57:40.840
But I'm telling you, these flight attendants are women who travel a lot for work.
02:57:49.020
There's a lot of other jobs that aren't flight attendants.
02:57:55.280
I was saying if she just travels a lot, that's the male perspective.
02:57:59.880
What if she traveled a lot with her family or her friends?
02:58:13.340
But you said maybe she's a flight attendant, and that's why she's traveling so much.
02:58:20.620
She can't keep a dude because she's never fucking home.
02:58:28.640
But he has a jerk of his other world before meeting him.
02:58:32.200
He has a point because there's still insecurities.
02:58:36.940
You guys get to see all these amazing countries.
02:58:50.220
But still, I was alone because not all my friends could actually afford, maybe, to go to that place.
02:58:56.360
And I've been lucky because my family is well off.
02:58:59.960
So I was able to go to London, even if it's one hour and a half from Milan.
02:59:15.380
Boss, because she was, like, a personal assistant for celebrities.
02:59:31.900
And this really rich family is taking you to all these places.
02:59:35.780
Oh, hey, we're going to have a night in with the kids.
02:59:43.140
Yeah, but the thing is, he's right, because the society of nowadays, it's so common for
02:59:50.820
Even for males, it's not like only women do this.
02:59:58.440
It gives you insecurities, because you don't know if actually this person is that interested
03:00:02.500
Is it giving you really just their attention to you, or is, as he said, this guy or that
03:00:10.000
That's when you don't do hookup culture, which is also very prevalent here.
03:00:19.400
One man just told me that's the way dating goes here in California, is...
03:00:24.360
They hook up, and then they figure if they want to date each other after.
03:00:29.480
Like, they say immediately, oh, you're my girlfriend.
03:00:32.680
And maybe, like, two days after, poof, disappear.
03:00:39.720
You've got to understand when I'm talking about this.
03:00:43.800
Can a woman be well-traveled and not have fucked a dude in every city?
03:01:40.140
Because, as a guy, you want to offer a girl a new experience.
03:02:00.080
Oh, you're driving the poverty Lamborghini, mister.
03:02:07.020
But if you start immediately the conversation by showing off what's your experience, that's
03:02:10.740
insecurity, and you're trying to sell yourself as somebody, like, oh, look at me.
03:02:22.400
Literally, like, male and female, when they kind of show off, their experience is in that
03:02:27.260
It makes me just see this person as insecure, trying to prove him, like, himself or herself
03:02:38.500
Why don't you just settle down on your own, try to fix whatever trauma you have?
03:02:55.820
But that's just the perception that we're going to get as a guy.
03:03:00.380
Anyways, I'm going to read a couple chats here.
03:03:37.860
But I think I'm just trying to convince myself.
03:04:11.440
Well, I mean, the interesting thing about it is...
03:04:15.860
And women love trying to guess my sign before I say it.
03:04:21.140
But also, the interesting thing about astrology is it's called the Barnum effect.
03:04:26.320
So, essentially, it's so generally vague that when you ask people what their traits are, they are in agreement.
03:04:33.480
They're like, I show all y'all the same traits and say, you are this, you are that, you are this.
03:04:39.620
And all of this positive, affirmational bullshit.
03:04:47.360
So, the common misconception with astrology, just because I heavily studied it a lot, is you actually have three signs.
03:04:57.220
But the three main signs, you have your sun, your moon, and your rising.
03:05:05.720
But I think a lot of people don't understand it.
03:05:11.720
There's just a lot of misconceptions about it, is what my general thing is.
03:05:20.360
But if you, like, actually study it, it does make sense in a way.
03:05:36.900
How something light years away influences my behavior?
03:05:39.380
But also, like, a few months ago, I don't know if you guys saw this, but, like, everyone's
03:05:58.020
When you were born in that specific hour and the city you were born, that's how you actually
03:06:08.600
And the stars are influencing you from when you were born.
03:06:12.060
Guys, I gotta read three diglets before he gets mad at me.
03:06:19.340
Unfortunately, we just have to get through with the show, but I do appreciate your super
03:06:27.180
Okay, let's get into some of the show notes, because we're behind.
03:06:36.580
I don't know where he was, so he told me to call it in.
03:06:41.260
On a scale of one to ten, you can't pick seven, starting with you.
03:06:45.920
I would say I'm a ten, but it depends on what you're basing, like societal acceptance or
03:06:54.660
We are using the Ethiopian and Eritrean beauty standard.
03:07:03.120
We're using the Ethiopian beauty standard here, not the Western, not Asian, not Korean.
03:07:18.240
Daisy, what do you rate yourself on a scale of one to ten?
03:07:20.700
Most of the time, I feel like I'm a ten, but sometimes I feel like I'm zero.
03:07:26.300
Yeah, like sometimes I just don't like myself that much.
03:07:40.820
Depends on the day, but I'd say like right now, probably six.
03:07:49.300
Get like all dressed up and, you know, go out, do my makeup, do my hair.
03:08:02.840
I thought you were about to say like if the guy's drunk or something.
03:08:17.420
Here, California, where plastic surgery is the thing.
03:08:27.080
Total United States for my age, because I do take care of myself.
03:08:32.940
I'm going to give it eight, because we can't pick...
03:08:34.800
I would have picked seven, but we can't pick seven.
03:08:47.000
Or, sorry, what about your rating in total, though?
03:08:54.080
Well, it's really hard when women alter their faces.
03:09:00.820
But you do realize they're, like, supermodels who don't have any plastic surgery.
03:10:07.320
It was, like, around 50 computers from different countries.
03:10:21.600
Wait, can't, like, break it down, like, face body, if you had to...
03:10:26.340
Like, do you have a different rating for your face?
03:10:46.640
Um, I would say I look better with my straight hair.
03:11:04.540
Uh, what's it called when they draw a portrait?
03:11:26.480
Like, you would be, like, Ethiopian royalty if there were painters back in there.
03:11:33.720
But I don't know if it's a compliment, because there's a lot of inbreeding in them, like,
03:11:39.100
So you're a princess, but there's inbreeding in them, too.
03:11:45.680
So I'll let you figure out if it's a compliment or...
03:11:52.480
I feel like the women over there are, like, more attractive than at least me right now.
03:12:12.020
I mean, society and the beauty has changed in all the centuries, and I'm okay with myself.
03:12:18.600
I had some self-doubt about my image before, but since I met my boyfriend, he made me accept
03:12:30.300
And I will not really give you an answer in this, because it's still going to trigger me
03:12:35.900
to have to give myself a tag on how I'm beautiful or not.
03:13:14.680
I would say a nine, with the potential to be a ten.
03:13:22.800
Maybe a ten, drop a few pounds, my hair might grow a little longer.
03:13:45.600
Men's opinions of the woman who say they're a ten, that shows confidence.
03:13:53.400
The woman who is saying that they're not a ten and much less shows insecurity.
03:14:03.240
So, if you're like, if you have a big ego, you got pride and you're rating yourself a ten and you're not a ten, we look at that, that's hubris, that's ego, that's pride, that's lack of modesty.
03:14:17.240
So, whereas a woman who's just, oh yeah, like, I'm a six, I'm a seven.
03:14:28.000
Because we don't want to deal with no delusional woman.
03:14:41.220
No, I do think, genuinely speaking, this idea that, well, it's confident to say that you're a ten.
03:14:46.880
I actually think it's confident to be like, I can do an accurate self-assessment of how I look.
03:14:57.200
Like, why, I don't know, if you're, like, if you're genuinely an average woman and you think you are among the most beautiful women in the world,
03:15:05.440
that's a lack of modesty, it's pride, and I just think it's way more confidence to just be like, eh, I'm a six.
03:15:39.660
Every show, I just get the most, I get the most beautiful women on my show.
03:15:45.420
I'm going to, I'm starting a whatever beauty page.
03:15:56.980
Okay, here, we're going to do, going around the table.
03:16:00.380
Actually, are we starting to get the stuff in Discord, Damien?
03:16:04.740
I'm going to read a couple chats first, though.
03:16:12.300
Michael Jones donated $200, starting with chair one.
03:16:19.360
Seven, seven, five, four, three, four, six, five.
03:16:32.100
What would the panelists think the average of 1,000 men would rate them?
03:16:38.140
We'll do that really quick, going around the table.
03:16:40.520
So, this has now changed to, what do you think 1,000 men rate you?
03:16:57.980
You didn't have some boyfriend who's like, shut up.
03:17:10.920
I mean, you just had somebody tell you you were seven.
03:17:15.900
So, what do you think the average would be if 1,000 men rated you?
03:17:26.560
Like, I get to hear and compliment all the time, not just the way, how I look, also how
03:17:40.060
So, it really depends preference, because I do have some of the work down.
03:17:45.840
So, for some of the people, they don't prefer plastic surgery, they will say, oh, maybe you're
03:17:53.660
So, you just, let's say, 50% of them like plastic surgery, 50% of them don't.
03:18:11.420
If I want to be honest, yeah, I know I'm average.
03:18:21.840
I would be scared to be judged by 1,000 men, probably.
03:18:34.380
I was happier when I didn't know it, but I would say 5 or 6, maybe.
03:18:47.800
I would say anywhere from 8 and 9, just because my hair is naturally ginger and blonde, so
03:18:58.680
I feel like in that category, there's not a lot of people to judge from.
03:19:03.580
I think there's about 2% of the world has naturally red hair, so I'm putting myself at
03:19:19.800
My eyebrows, I do color them in, but they're like blonde.
03:19:30.180
I mean, is it the case that men appraise redheads as generally more attractive than dark-haired
03:19:42.900
Yeah, there's a lot of ginger phobia out there.
03:19:57.480
If you say you call somebody a ginger in a derogatory way, it's not like socially unacceptable
03:20:07.660
I was about to say they don't have souls, but that's true.
03:20:13.880
Here, Chair, can you read this, Aaliyah, into the mic?
03:20:23.180
I need a good reason to get my pool, hot tub, and sauna going again.
03:20:39.020
Taurus Moon might be a little too like stubborn for me.
03:20:46.780
My rising's also fire, so I think that would be compatible.
03:21:09.500
Oh, we have to do, okay, going around the table, do you think you'll be, wait, hold on.
03:21:24.180
Do you guys think it's, you know, it's a little.
03:21:42.160
Oh, by the way, whoever's doing the, do the gender swap too.
03:21:50.200
The reason we ask it is because I think it is important to know you're standing in the dating marketplace so that that way you can go in with reasonable expectations and end up with a guy who's, I mean, maybe you don't think, like, maybe you want to shoot for the stars and get a top tier dude.
03:22:15.000
You're going to run into those problems we talked about earlier where they're not going to give you that same amount of attention, same amount of time.
03:22:21.700
They're probably going to fuck around on you unless you catch a rare one.
03:22:25.240
Uh, but I do genuinely think that if we were to line up every woman on earth and put her next, next to her male equivalent when it comes to looks, 90% of y'all would be mortified.
03:22:48.440
So it's like, and why it's important is because I think a lot of women, they, y'all conflate sexual interest with dating interest.
03:23:02.080
So you'll get a bunch of likes and DMs and maybe you'll deal with a, an athlete, NFL player, NBA player.
03:23:07.880
You'll deal with like a, like mid-tier SoundCloud rapper or some bullshit.
03:23:12.640
Maybe you'll even deal with like a major musician or actor or whatever it is, or a guy who's rich or a guy who's got status or a guy who's really good looking, whatever it is.
03:23:24.420
You're getting sexual attention from him, but that's not the W for you.
03:23:29.580
Like as women, it's easy for you to get sexual attention from almost most or all men.
03:23:34.900
The W is when you get commitment from that guy, when you get a ring, when you get his last name, when you get his children.
03:23:43.460
Cause like men, men will sleep with a girl and disqualify her just based on her looks.
03:23:49.500
Like she's attractive enough to sleep with, but not attractive enough to be in a relationship with.
03:24:00.660
Like for you to have a short-term thing with a guy, he's got to be really attractive.
03:24:06.460
Typical, like you make the concession the other way, like to, to have like a short-term, like if you want to just have a quick one night stand or a hookup, he's got to be really fucking hot.
03:24:18.500
But for a real, it's kind of different, but with, with men, it's like for a short-term thing, we actually look down.
03:24:26.020
Men look down, like we'll deal with a girl who we would never be caught in a relationship with on the sole basis of her looks because we just want the easy access to sex.
03:24:35.200
But because the majority of men are just straight up offering you sex, you're going to get offers from men who are, no offense, like I'm not, that are above your league.
03:24:47.400
And the other thing is, as guys, we get rejected on the front end.
03:24:55.860
Like if I step to a girl who's just out of my league and this is going to typically, like if I'm stepping to, I don't know, who's a, who's a, like beautiful ones.
03:25:08.360
If I'm stepping to Megan Fox, even like Megan Fox right now, she's a little crazy for, I don't know, like she's got a lot going on.
03:25:18.940
Like I don't have a chance with Megan Fox and I know that going in, but she's going to reject me immediately up front.
03:25:26.340
And it doesn't even have to be a girl with status.
03:25:27.860
It could be like just a normal girl who's just good looking, attractive.
03:25:41.940
But as women, if you're dealing with a dude who's outside of your league, you can fuck him.
03:25:51.080
Maybe he's going to keep you around for one, two, three dates, one, two, three hookups.
03:26:01.300
He'll burn six months of your time while you're trying to get him into a relationship.
03:26:06.540
You're literally explaining like, so why is that?
03:26:09.580
He actually had a very, this is my issue with the young, he had a 13 year younger girl
03:26:14.880
as his girlfriend and I was the other woman without knowing it.
03:26:25.420
And look, as I don't fully like, I don't blame women in so far.
03:26:33.160
I don't blame you because we all want to get what's the best we can get.
03:26:37.920
We want the most attractive, the best personality, all the other sort of benefit, beneficial things
03:26:44.960
that we can get in a relationship, all the characteristics we like, the looks like we
03:26:55.840
You're not going to, if you're faced with multiple different options and women, you guys
03:27:07.000
But then the guys you pick, if they're all at the top, they also have a fuck ton of options
03:27:12.440
and they're not like, they're going to want to be dealing probably with multiple women.
03:27:19.180
They probably don't pursue either because women are throwing themselves.
03:27:23.260
Or yeah, I mean, they, they might still pursue, but they're, they're still going to probably
03:27:28.420
be dealing well as somebody who, who was like that.
03:27:32.640
Typically the girl that I approach is who I want because I approached her, but I'll take
03:27:37.860
I'll, if it's convenient, if women are throwing themselves at me, if it's convenient, I'll take
03:27:43.700
Like I declined a lot of women as well, but the women who are just good enough or who
03:27:49.320
And it, and it's not like a, I'll sleep with them and then kick them to the curb.
03:27:53.540
It's like, Oh, you know, we can chill and go out or whatever the case may be, but it's
03:27:57.680
just not where you're up to my standard in terms of what I want on my arm.
03:28:03.520
And then a lot of times personality plays a huge role in that too, because a lot of
03:28:07.980
these women have personality issues and like cluster B mental illnesses and, oh my gosh,
03:28:22.440
And then a lot of, a lot of the guys are going to feign, they're going to feign that they
03:28:27.020
want something more serious to like, cause they're just going to be like, Oh, okay, I'll
03:28:30.540
keep around for six months and just so I can keep having sex with her.
03:28:34.940
And I, I, I don't think that's the right way to move as men, but as women, you got to kind
03:28:40.620
of look at the dynamics that are going on and be like, it's hard.
03:28:48.200
You're going to want that top, top guy who's either really attractive or, you know, whatever
03:28:56.180
And you're going to want to try to catch him, but he's got a lot of other women chasing
03:29:01.400
It's like, what, why settle when he can get other women and you're not going to get commitment.
03:29:06.760
And then the trouble is like, as dudes, it's typically not the case as a guy when you're
03:29:12.040
like in your twenties or whatever, throughout the course of your, I don't know, your twenties,
03:29:15.760
you're like, it doesn't look like this for men.
03:29:23.260
Imagine a guy who's 20, 21, who all the women want to sleep with him.
03:29:32.280
Let's say he's mid, let's say he's a five, but all the girls want to sleep with him who
03:29:40.160
But in addition to that, there's women who are six, seven, eight, and nine who want to
03:29:45.980
But those women, the six, seven, eight, and nine women, they don't want commitment from
03:29:51.900
Maybe he'll get a situation ship with a few for one, two, three months.
03:29:55.420
And then let's say you're a girl and you're like, oh, that's a guy.
03:30:03.220
Why would he ever be in a relationship with you when he can get sexual attention, other
03:30:09.280
kinds of attention from women who are more attractive than you?
03:30:29.240
I mean, about us looking for somebody that for us at least is very good looking, like
03:30:38.880
For one understand, at least I talk about my own experience, what I did.
03:30:43.660
But when I had to have a relationship, I always had to know how's the personality.
03:30:48.080
Because if I have to be with somebody, talk to you every day, and I mean, I have to have
03:30:57.980
I mean, I cannot be with somebody that thinks about certain topics and puts certain priorities
03:31:04.320
that, to me, they're not really, like, there shouldn't be even priorities.
03:31:09.120
But why would women care if the man wants to take us seriously?
03:31:12.220
Why can't we just, I'm the one, I'm going to choose who I want to be serious with.
03:31:18.380
Like, that's why also a lot of women stop prioritizing men.
03:31:25.620
Or, yeah, relationship, they're more like focusing on their career, their well-being.
03:31:31.960
So you're saying women just want to fuck a bunch of dudes in their 20s?
03:31:37.040
What I'm saying is women should not take a relationship or a man as their first priority
03:31:54.820
So women are always be the one that's more passive.
03:31:59.100
So we should be there for ourselves and to become the best version of ourselves.
03:32:12.760
Most of the time women are the ones telling the men to fuck off.
03:32:16.100
What if I told you that actually what you're saying, because what we're talking about,
03:32:20.340
we're talking about a very, very small percentage of men who can do this.
03:32:24.360
The majority of men, as I told you earlier, don't have the leverage in their relationships.
03:32:30.060
They can't just break up and go out and get other women.
03:32:33.220
And fun fact, most men fall in love before the women do.
03:32:54.980
My older brother, like you're talking, my older brother is having this problem.
03:33:00.960
But girls are looking for him to just have the one-night stand.
03:33:05.220
And maybe he would like to continue to see this girl ghosted.
03:33:20.960
So the men who get women, the men who can afford to get women, most men, when they get in a relationship, they value that relationship.
03:33:28.460
They try to hold on to that relationship because it's so difficult for them if they lose that source of validation, they lose that source of sex, for them to just go find it elsewhere.
03:33:41.100
And this is actually, the research bears this out.
03:33:43.140
Empirically, it was just a major study that was released that showed men actually value the relationship more than women in a lot of regards.
03:33:50.460
That's based on because they are lack of choices.
03:33:56.520
We don't have the leverage in the relationships.
03:33:59.060
From personal experience, I see what you're saying, and I see where it could be valid.
03:34:00.960
But from personal experience, I don't see that at all.
03:34:09.380
I just find it hard to believe because I haven't experienced men pursuing me more than I'm trying to pursue that.
03:34:24.020
From what I'm learning and understanding, because I didn't understand this all in my 20s, we have to inspire a man to want to provide, cherish, be devotional.
03:34:38.560
I have put my all and my effort into so many people, and they're just like, no, thank you.
03:34:45.720
That's also a problem, though, because you're catering to what he wants first, truly being who you are, authentic, but also on authenticity.
03:35:13.340
Most men don't have the leverage to just leave relationships.
03:35:19.840
Are you prioritizing you want a relationship, or do you want that man?
03:35:22.600
If the person is still not enough mature to actually engage with feelings, they get scared when a woman give a bit too much.
03:35:34.320
Like I would like it if she's down bad, you know?
03:35:40.520
She can't be simping and submissive at the same time.
03:35:49.380
This is my experience when I've like, you know, I'm always complimenting him and saying like how much I care about him and like doing things for me like, hey, you want to come over?
03:35:59.560
I think you're dealing with a guy who's got a lot of other women.
03:36:08.180
It's not even necessarily that you're doing anything wrong.
03:36:10.840
It's that maybe you're dealing with a level of guy who's just dealing with a bunch of other women who's dating other women.
03:36:18.260
And no matter like how good you act or whatever it is...
03:36:21.300
So every guy I've dated has been dealing with other women then.
03:36:25.920
You could also be dating outside of your caliber like Brian was just explaining.
03:36:33.580
Like, are the men, would you describe the men that you date as...
03:36:38.420
I've dated guys shorter than me, taller than me, hotter than me, not hotter than me.
03:36:42.420
So which guys do you tend to want the commitment from and they don't give you the commitment?
03:36:55.920
I'm beginning to wonder if there's something wrong with you.
03:37:06.980
I think it's because you look like the Mona Lisa.
03:37:13.540
So my question is when you're inviting this guy over...
03:37:18.260
Inviting this guy over to your place that you take care of to make food that you probably bought...
03:37:25.320
We're, like, already, like, we've known each other for a while.
03:37:27.300
My question was were you guys already committed?
03:37:38.420
And then it's, like, sometimes you're giving too much, and then it's you're giving too
03:37:41.220
little, and it's just, like, I feel like no matter what I've tried...
03:38:02.440
Well, but she didn't say that she took away that long.
03:38:05.660
She said that she goes and tries her best to know the person.
03:38:29.360
Do you see how her eyes are kind of, like, a little bit to the right?
03:38:45.940
Here, look into this camera, but, like, kind of look a little bit to the left.
03:38:58.440
Do you think you're going to be better looking in 10 years' time, starting with you?
03:39:04.460
Your looks, will they be better in 10 years' time at...
03:39:19.380
I feel like we should just let them answer however.
03:39:32.460
And then, are you better looking now at 30 than you were at 20?
03:40:15.700
I have taken better care of myself now than when I was in my 20s.
03:40:51.380
We're from the same age, baby, but we still haven't had the birth date.
03:41:01.820
So, in 29, were you better looking 10 years ago at 19?
03:41:55.620
Well, we've age-advanced all of you with technology, and so Damien, if you can get those pulled
03:42:33.040
Like, you were Asian, you're Asian, and then now you're a Latina woman.
03:42:46.320
Because, as you know, I was an athlete, so that I can change my body, besides my breast.
03:43:23.000
But the Mona Lisa one's coming up, so okay, let's pull it back up.
03:43:54.600
Wait, why did you ask me the same thing last time I was here?
03:44:03.080
I just realized you just asked me if my mom was single.
03:44:32.060
Yeah, because the Lindsay Lohan filter, you guys didn't put that one.
03:44:48.020
I feel like Redhead's, you know, very fair skin.
03:45:57.620
Thank you so much for the Streamlabs message, man.
03:46:31.520
So, the question is, would you date the male version of you?
03:46:39.020
Now, you can pick without beard in the middle, or with beard.
03:47:17.620
I can't say that because, like, I wouldn't date someone that looks like my dad.
03:47:23.420
It's the female version or male version of you.
03:47:25.040
But I'm just going to constantly have that thought, like, this man looks like my dad.
03:47:38.900
I couldn't wake up in the morning and see somebody that looked like my dad.
03:48:39.660
Yeah, because the middle one looks like my little brother.
03:50:29.040
Guys, like the video if you're enjoying the stream.
03:51:03.020
No, the guy in the middle looks like he's like bawling his eyes out.
03:52:06.280
How old were you in that picture, if you remember?
03:52:40.580
You can literally go outside and get a little...
03:52:48.560
Because maybe we got the Mona Lisa that came through.
03:52:58.260
We're going to get into the rest of the show notes here.
03:53:15.600
Are you currently in a long distance relationship?
03:53:20.340
I think that sometimes having that separation can be...
03:53:31.620
Like, if you have to trust your partner and, you know, not being with them all the time.
03:53:36.760
You don't know exactly what they're up to, but just having that open line of communication.
03:53:40.240
Like, that sets a good foundation for the rest of the relationship, you know?
03:53:46.580
You also wrote in your notes, you had to live with your ex for four months after you guys
03:53:53.340
It was very interesting, but it was probably top three worst experiences in my entire life.
03:54:04.440
And, like, in the apartment, it literally, like, it's just a studio.
03:54:08.520
So, like, we couldn't get away from each other.
03:54:11.340
But then we also had the same group of friends, and we had a dog together.
03:54:21.200
I did find out that he brought a girl back to our apartment, but I caught him because I
03:54:28.040
FaceTimed him to ask him a question, and I saw a girl's phone on the bed.
03:54:34.040
And he goes, what phone were you talking about?
03:54:38.080
And then, finally, like, 20 minutes later, he's like, okay, fine, this girl, I forget
03:54:44.740
I think it was Jess, but he was like, yeah, no, she just came over to say hi to Chomper,
03:54:53.220
You said you ripped up a corner of your ex's fake ID so that the bouncer would notice
03:54:57.520
and take it so he'd stop going out to, like, clubs and bars without you.
03:55:05.900
I think I was 20 or 19 at the time and he had a fake ID and I took tweezers and I peeled
03:55:12.780
up the, like, little film on the outside of fake IDs so that it would, like, start peeling
03:55:19.220
The bouncer took it and he didn't go out again.
03:55:22.400
I mean, until it's fake ID, okay, but ruin a real one.
03:55:28.100
Hunter's at the bathroom, so I'll go to, why don't we do, you know what, let's do Aaliyah.
03:55:35.760
So, you, I noticed on your Instagram that you have, maybe these are older photos, you
03:55:55.180
I was very hippie before, I, like, didn't wear shoes.
03:56:20.660
On your Instagram, you describe yourself as an oracle.
03:56:53.960
They see the bigger picture, not just the one, two steps in front of them.
03:56:58.500
So you can look to them for, like, wisdom or insight, emotional intelligence.
03:57:13.660
Why is it, if women have all this intuition, do y'all keep dating these fucking scumbags?
03:57:25.100
Like, these were, oh, my God, he was so abusive and he was a narcissist.
03:57:28.120
Why didn't you intuit the narcissism and the abuse?
03:57:39.080
I feel like women are programmed through society and conditioning to focus on love and, like, everything else will follow.
03:57:50.140
And to, like, take care of a man, be there for a man, please a man.
03:57:57.180
So, yeah, women kind of are groomed to, like, be that way for a man.
03:58:05.500
Not by men, but by, like, society and conditioning.
03:58:11.400
But at the end of the day, we're the family who give us these kind of teachings on how to behave, like, how to take care of the house, cooking, cleaning.
03:58:28.020
But that generation, as she said, that's what they're teaching us.
03:58:37.340
A woman's more in her power when her cup is full.
03:58:41.620
Like, if a woman is really taken care of and she feels beautiful, she becomes radiant.
03:58:52.440
So, if you want, like, a society of, like, servants, like, make women feel like they're not powerful and just have them be sacrificing.
03:59:26.780
Like, a woman that's radiant and happy and healthy will have, like, a healthier baby more often.
03:59:32.220
You know, so being able to create from that space of radiance, being able to create from that space of power, as opposed to if you're self-sacrificing, maybe you're not eating as healthy.
03:59:44.240
Or maybe you're putting things into your body to try and be skinnier that are not really good for you, as, like, to serve or please, like, a man.
04:00:05.320
Or you're talking about, like, Ozempic, it sounded like.
04:00:07.700
Like, women, they're trying to be thin, so they take Ozempic.
04:00:17.280
Um, I don't know if I even, it's kind of out there a bit, but, uh, so wait, tie this back
04:00:28.880
Yeah, you're an oracle, like, you're a psychic.
04:00:31.020
Oracle, meaning that I guide my life through going, like, inwards, and I find that there's
04:00:38.480
wisdom or nourishment or positive impact that happens from going within and giving outwards,
04:00:47.500
as opposed to, like, outwards in, which is kind of what a man does.
04:00:50.660
But, panel, remind me, did she not say she was a psychic?
04:01:00.880
I want you to prophesize something about me right now, or Q, or Damien.
04:01:09.660
I mean, she did already guess that you were a Taurus.
04:01:15.560
But future changes also on depending how you are, like, the vibrations you're emanating,
04:01:22.760
If you're really depressed, you're going to manifest something.
04:01:29.720
Universe, attraction, and all that kind of stuff.
04:01:31.980
I mean, if you're positive today, you could have a positive future.
04:01:35.720
If tomorrow's something really bad happening, you get down with your mood, you're really
04:01:39.120
depressed, your future will change, and it will not be the same as when you were happy.
04:01:43.900
Same for tarot, oracles, when you go for these places for readings.
04:01:47.940
They only read your energy of the present when you're asking.
04:01:54.100
I'm just going to say, all that shit's bullshit.
04:02:08.700
I mean, I have positive sentiments towards religions, though.
04:02:13.080
So, like, I'm pro, I'm not religious, but I'm pro-Christianity.
04:02:20.820
Like, there's a lot of value in the, I guess, in the organization of it, but then on the
04:02:27.180
individual level, like that faith, I think there's a lot of value there.
04:02:30.380
On the macro and micro level, when it comes to religion.
04:02:52.320
I wouldn't say I'm religious, but I believe in Buddha.
04:02:58.720
The astrology stuff, I just can't get, but I don't get it.
04:03:04.880
If you're happy today, you're going to attract better things, positive.
04:03:10.560
I think good things happen to bad people, bad things happen to bad people.
04:03:16.380
No, I think it's, I think it's good for, it's good to be positive, but, um, it's just
04:03:35.420
I feel like it's a skill that anyone can have, and it's just about, like-
04:03:54.320
Uh, Q and Daisy are going to fuck after the show.
04:04:07.280
You guys are going to have carnal knowledge after the show.
04:04:10.560
Uh, Aaliyah, you are going to, uh, you're going to become, you're going to become a, what's
04:04:25.440
Um, it's when you are paid to be a soldier, like you are a mercenary and you're going
04:04:31.680
to sell yourself to like some African, you're going to be like a, and you, cause you know
04:04:37.160
You're maybe in the future and you're going to sell yourself as a mercenary and then you're
04:04:41.240
going to go down in a blaze of glory, like fighting some like cannibalistic, like
04:04:48.460
You are going to, um, you are going to, um, be a background dancer for, uh, for Kanye's
04:05:08.900
Nicole, you are going to start a really successful maple, maple syrup company.
04:05:18.420
Like the Northeast, there's a lot of people going on up there.
04:05:21.780
And then you're going to drown, drown your sorrows in booze.
04:05:27.800
Uh, you, you over there, you're going to move to Hawaii and, um, I don't know.
04:05:43.320
Uh, you are going to, I know you said you like black men, but you're going to actually
04:05:52.420
That's, uh, a white dwarf, but he's going to take really good care of you.
04:06:04.540
You are going to be gunned down in the streets of Sicily because you're a fucking mafioso
04:06:49.960
Uh, Hunter over here, you're going to, um, I'm sorry to tell you, but.
04:07:00.100
You're going to be Elon Musk's fifth baby mama, or whatever the fuck it is.
04:07:04.800
Uh, Q, you're going to be a, um, you're going to play in the NBA.
04:07:24.800
Yeah, but like, I heard the NBA, like, actually, like, has, like, a high requirement.
04:07:37.400
I'm going to, after doing a few more years of this show and slowly losing my sanity, I'm
04:07:44.340
going to write a manifesto and then move to the forest and never be heard from again.
04:08:01.320
I feel like those are hints from the beginning.
04:08:14.520
If chair one is an oracle, then I'm a level 12 wizard.
04:08:22.400
Women will do anything except submit to our Lord Jesus Christ.
04:08:47.020
Uh, can you guys spam crystal emojis in the chat?
04:08:50.280
So, put her, we're going to put you in a crystal.
04:08:56.880
There's one about dark femininity and it's something about, I don't know.
04:09:13.600
How I prepare my body as an altar for him when he is anchored.
04:09:22.400
How I prepare my body as an altar for him when he's anchored in his divine masculine,
04:09:28.360
loyal to our union and leading us with integrity.
04:09:52.580
And then you're literally in fucking doggy style.
04:10:00.660
I just thought that's funny because it's all like, my body is a temple.
04:10:08.840
I'm preparing it for, you're in, like, doggy style.
04:10:23.860
Me, when he listens like a good boy and trusts my dark feminine.
04:10:27.400
Wait, I don't even know if we can go over to, I don't even, I don't think I even saw what
04:11:01.800
Sometimes, pictures does not match the caption.
04:11:08.580
Anyways, I read, I think in one of your Instagram posts, you can close those out, Damien.
04:11:14.180
Delicious expressions of divine feminine, lick her, taste her, breathe her, love her, make
04:11:19.400
it divine, sacred room, juicy, healing, feminine magic with a K.
04:11:26.640
What does that, what is, yeah, what is magic with a K?
04:11:29.760
And can you scoot your mic to the edge of the table?
04:11:59.380
Is there any girl here, you're like, this bitch is not in her divine feminine right now?
04:12:22.120
I feel like divine feminine is a connection of softness, of release, of submitting, of being
04:12:28.720
open to the world, and that's personal, depending on what that is for each person.
04:12:49.900
I noticed on your Instagram, and sitting across from you, that you have something interfering
04:13:14.980
A lot of red energy coming, like tension coming from the, the fuck?
04:13:25.580
No, it's blocking off, it's blocking because you got plastic up in there.
04:13:49.760
No, not like caffeine energy, like your energy, your ki, your chi, your fucking Aikido fucking
04:13:58.760
The fake titties are blocking your fucking energy, son.
04:14:08.640
And I'm telling you, bro, the fake titties, I'm an expert.
04:14:21.020
But you are bringing me right now, like my fake titties or something like that.
04:14:28.920
I'm just saying it's blocking the energy flow, son.
04:14:37.200
I'm just saying the energy flow, like the heart chakra.
04:14:51.500
I think she could beat me up in a fight tonight.
04:14:56.520
Look, Daisy, I'm just, Aaliyah, I think you gotta get, just so we can rebalance and
04:15:03.580
re-center your energy, I think the titties gotta come out.
04:15:08.260
We gotta get a titty removal, like a fake titty removal.
04:15:45.140
So there's different kind of, like, implants to look real?
04:15:49.000
I guess it looks more realistic, maybe feels different.
04:15:54.760
Ah, that's like the texture of the feel, that's why.
04:15:59.700
Look, the energy, I'm just looking out because divine feminine energy, you can't have that
04:16:06.340
Like, you got to let that shit flow through your body.
04:16:08.720
Like, the lip filler, too, that's going to fuck your shit up.
04:16:14.820
We got, can lip filler ever be removed or is that shit permanent?
04:16:18.620
It starts to, it goes up your cheeks from what I've heard.
04:16:27.380
No, no, because you just slumped it out, though.
04:16:51.160
Look, I'm just, as an oracle slash medium, I do think that you gotta, you can't be put
04:17:29.420
Unconventional beliefs regarded as having little or no scientific basis, especially those relating
04:17:35.540
to spirituality, mysticism, or alternative medicine.
04:17:56.460
All the other girls on the panel younger than her have no agency.
04:17:58.860
If they had any, they would have found the implications of her comments offensive?
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I was actually surprised I didn't piss anyone off.
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Because I feel like I'm, you know, I'm kind of like a expert.
04:18:33.120
I feel like maybe you want some because you're very obsessed with it.
04:18:39.120
He's going to steal your fake titties and use them for himself.
04:18:47.440
Anyways, you wanted to talk about dating as a, or wait, I don't know if you wrote this.
04:18:52.140
Well, you're a single mom dating as a single mom.
04:18:54.140
I think you're the only mom at the table, if I recall correctly.
04:19:14.660
Like, this guy asked me out on a date and he said, I have an open door, like, helicopter
04:19:33.500
Well, it's kind of like if a guy brings you on a boat.
04:19:53.880
You dated a private driver, Beverly Hills, and he handed out hundreds to like 15 workers.
04:20:04.220
Well, it was just like a, like, keep, they had like a private driver come pick me up.
04:20:08.400
And then we went to like a really nice dinner in Beverly.
04:20:11.440
And then I, like the whole time he was like handing out $100 bills to like all the workers.
04:20:22.120
You got into an altercation where there were guns.
04:20:28.380
So like there is this guy that I was like kind of dating and we went out and yeah, I guess
04:20:36.300
they had beef with like some of the people there and being the hippie inside of me, I
04:20:45.340
And then like my friend at the time, she was, cause we went together.
04:20:51.480
Like she starts like running away and I'm like chasing after her.
04:20:55.300
And then it's like, they had like this blacked out, like G wagon and you like skirt around
04:21:06.520
And then yeah, like a helicopter was like following us, but we didn't realize to like,
04:21:11.340
I had to like go pee and then like got out of the car.
04:21:14.120
And then yeah, some cop pulled up like right behind us and was like, we've been following
04:21:20.080
You also said you got offered a content gig for free Botox and then not a date.
04:21:27.440
And then the doctor reached out to you and asked you to be his sugar baby.
04:21:36.740
Like I made, I mean, it was making TikToks for their brand.
04:21:49.260
Botox, what it does is it makes your muscles relax.
04:22:26.740
It's just, I have, I have a, how to say, how to say.
04:23:02.060
Because I was with a guy that's a billionaire that I've been talking about.
04:23:12.940
Before I came to the state, I was basically with this guy.
04:23:21.460
But he kind of like, he supported my lifestyle as well.
04:23:23.840
Because as an athlete, I wouldn't be able to work in as much as I could.
04:23:28.000
Because I had to do the diet and competition all the time.
04:23:36.660
Oh, I was going to, we were going to look up the before and after photos.
04:23:51.340
You said you never dated, but met this guy on an app, and he sent you 500, then disappeared.
04:23:57.560
Has any other girl here had a situation like that?
04:24:05.580
So, I met this guy at a club, and my friend had dragged me out that night, and I wanted to go to work the next day.
04:24:12.780
So, I was just like, hey guys, like, you know, like, it's getting late.
04:24:19.080
And then the guy was like, how much are you making at work tomorrow?
04:24:21.620
I'll give you 1K right now to stay for the rest of the night.
04:24:26.020
I stayed for the rest of the night, and then I went to work the next day, and I made double the money.
04:24:30.900
And then he, like, kept sending me money for, like, a week or two, like, via Zelle, and then, like, just poof, disappeared.
04:24:39.720
Like, won't answer my calls, won't answer my texts.
04:24:56.880
So, why don't we get those pulled up in order, make sure the zoom on them is good.
04:25:02.680
So, we're going to do a before and after, sort of, kind of.
04:25:11.040
Is this, you still got a boob job here, though, right?
04:25:29.540
No, I remember that wasn't fake, because my natural boobs are very, like, lifted.
04:25:38.860
To be fair, though, this was taken on a phone in 2015, so the quality of the, of the, you
04:25:49.940
I, I would say, I have no issue telling you that I have to get things done.
04:25:54.940
We'll take it as a compliment, then, because I think.
04:25:56.660
If you tie a bit well the bikini, your boobies look like.
04:26:24.280
At that time, I was, like, very simple girl, like, college girl, just, like, you know,
04:26:30.640
who likes to party, drinking, wearing Hollister, you know, just, like.
04:27:03.020
We were already driving Malibu, and at the stoplight, guy came to my car, got my number,
04:27:06.740
and next day took me and my friend on his boat, and next day took me and my friend on his boat.
04:27:12.720
You said, dating topics, how guys don't really have energy to come to you anymore or pursue,
04:27:21.680
Meaning without, like, the instant gratification of swiping or feeling entitled to ask a girl out right away,
04:27:33.740
Prior to that, they would have to come up to you and build up the courage, figure out what they're going to say,
04:27:42.480
not just, like, a copy-paste message that they're sending to everyone.
04:27:53.320
Actually, dating apps have been around since, like, 2012.
04:28:08.900
But I just feel like, like, personally, I've always had that.
04:28:12.100
Like, even when I was younger, like, I always, even underage, I'd always have people, like, approaching me.
04:28:16.980
But it's just not, and even with, like, other girlfriends, like, it's just not really a thing anymore.
04:28:21.880
Like, they'll look at you, but they'll kind of wait for you to give them, like, the okay.
04:28:26.880
Or they'll wait until they could write you on Instagram.
04:28:29.480
But they'll be like, oh, I saw you at this place earlier.
04:28:46.680
Um, you also have guys don't really have energy to come to you anymore or pursue.
04:28:57.400
I think they did a study recently that said, like, something like over 50% of men between
04:29:03.500
the ages of 18 to 25 or some number, I don't know the exact age range, have never approached
04:29:14.720
So, uh, you said the real gold diggers are men that want a girl to be feminine and go
04:29:22.140
It only serves the man that's, and then there's a blank.
04:29:26.340
So I feel like this whole talk about girls being 50-50 with a man, I think in that situation,
04:29:35.460
like the real gold digger is a man because they're still going to want a woman to cook
04:29:41.080
and clean and be soft and be feminine and be their sex horse or whatever and also do, like,
04:29:52.020
the masculine part, which is providing, which is working.
04:29:56.460
So at that point, like, it's only serving the man because they're just having someone come
04:30:02.100
in and help with 50% of their job and also get all the benefits of that.
04:30:11.320
So you're also saying that women decide if they want to be feminine or not for a man.
04:30:16.040
I feel like a woman can do her absolute hardest to be feminine, but it really depends on if
04:30:28.900
that man is actually lightening her load and if he's actually making her life easier and
04:30:35.760
allowing her to do less thinking and more, like, less performative tasks like work and-
04:30:49.000
By the way, I just want to say the questionnaire is going to be very interesting tonight.
04:30:58.060
I understand that women probably don't like that.
04:31:00.120
I don't know if that makes them gold diggers, but-
04:31:11.620
I don't know if you could even call him a bum under these circumstances, but-
04:31:20.720
So I'm just going to go ahead and agree with you.
04:31:23.360
If you want a woman to be feminine, then you shouldn't go 50-50 with her, right?
04:31:37.220
Yeah, that doesn't mean it's necessarily, like, sex work.
04:31:47.960
The photos that I would take on Instagram prior when I lived in Hawaii-
04:31:56.880
I have, like, three photos that, like, might be fully nude.
04:32:03.480
That's why I've been off and on with it, because it's not-
04:32:05.420
I don't get much traction, I guess, with it, because it's not something that I have passion
04:32:11.320
So, let me read the description of one of your OnlyFans accounts.
04:32:14.060
You say, the perfect online girlfriend you've been dreaming of, here to be your everything,
04:32:42.880
In your OF description, you want to make a man's penis throb.
04:32:55.820
You have to make money off of what has the most money.
04:32:59.500
And right now, men have the most money, and their gaze, and their desire for-
04:33:07.940
Wait, but do you think this is in any way commensurate with, like, a more traditional relationship dynamic?
04:33:13.300
Like, you want a guy to be all traditional, protect you, provide, and you're literally making random dudes on the internet bust in their pants?
04:33:21.960
That's happened without even trying before, so.
04:33:26.080
Like, a traditional woman does not have naked photos of herself on the internet.
04:33:31.400
She's not writing that she's trying to make some other dudes, whether, I don't care if it's for money, I don't care if you have no interest in them.
04:33:38.240
If you're writing, I'm trying to make a, you bust a nut, that's not a traditional woman.
04:33:49.540
I have a gripe with this conditional submission femininity.
04:33:54.500
When you're in a relationship, right, regardless of if the relationship is 50-50 or not, don't you want the relationship to work if you're in it?
04:34:06.100
Okay, so, in what practical sense am I buying submission?
04:34:11.260
I don't believe that submission is something that's bought.
04:34:13.240
I believe the woman, I believe when a woman likes a man, she's submissive to him regardless because that's what it takes to make the relationship work.
04:34:22.460
You just said we want women to be submissive and please us and do X, Y, Z, but we don't provide in totality, 100%.
04:34:33.080
If we're going 50-50, does it ever occur that maybe the woman is in on going 50-50?
04:34:42.400
That doesn't diminish her desire to submit to her man because the desire doesn't come from the fact that he's paying all the bills.
04:34:48.540
It comes from the fact that she likes him and she respects him and she wants the relationship to work because if she's not submissive, they're going to have hella conflict and they're going to call it off.
04:34:56.460
Well, that's not for me, but good luck to those that do that.
04:34:59.740
But I'm saying because you brought it up and you made it basically, I am paying 100% of the bills for you to be submissive.
04:35:09.000
I'm saying it naturally will incline a woman to be softer when she doesn't have to worry about X, Y, and Z.
04:35:16.500
I think a woman liking you inclines her to be softer.
04:35:21.000
Like, if a woman likes me, she's going to be soft because she likes me.
04:35:29.680
I would never pay for a woman to be submissive to me because that just indicates that she doesn't genuinely like me.
04:35:34.580
If you go out with your girlfriend, do you pay for the bill?
04:35:50.700
That doesn't lessen the degree of submission or respect that she has for me.
04:36:01.000
Even if it is 50-50, what kind of relationship dynamic do you still want anyways?
04:36:07.820
So, would you even go further than that and say, even if she is some, like, super successful breadwinner woman who's completely, like, out-earning him massively, even then she should still be submissive, right?
04:36:21.100
She should still be submissive because what are you waiting for?
04:36:23.920
What are you waiting for if you're not going to be submissive?
04:36:26.700
He pays, he don't, you even, like Brian just said, in his case, you with a woman, she pays 100% of the bills.
04:36:33.280
What the fuck are you doing with the guy if you don't like him and you ain't going to be submissive?
04:36:36.540
What's the point of being in a relationship with him?
04:36:38.260
No, you should definitely like who you're with.
04:36:41.180
It's about, for me personally, I can't see a man as masculine if he doesn't naturally want to provide and, like, take care of me.
04:36:49.680
But does that mean he doesn't want to or he just can't?
04:36:54.560
We can be in a relationship and have to go 50-50 because I'm trying.
04:37:04.280
I don't want to have to, like, build a man and wait for him.
04:37:07.480
Like, I don't want to be the stepping stone and then eventually he'll leave me because I was the building girl.
04:37:13.480
I was the one that he used to, like, help him create himself, used my energy, used me, like, took my feminine from me.
04:37:23.660
And then when he's built himself, oh, I'm going to go pick the 25-year-old or the 19-year-old or whatever.
04:37:30.280
But you ended it with, didn't you end it with the guy you were dating who's the father of your kid?
04:37:44.380
So if a guy comes in and he gets with you and he pays everything, you going to do everything that he said?
04:37:57.100
So if a man, though, like, because you're hitting on, my father was unemployed when he met my mother.
04:38:22.180
And I think back then, like, it was so different.
04:38:27.000
My friend's families are, like, still together.
04:38:32.380
And women were appreciated for standing by a man no matter what.
04:38:47.080
There's a complete lack of respect and appreciation from women towards men.
04:38:51.560
My dad just appreciated that he created a family.
04:39:21.800
Could you give, like, examples of him not being masculine?
04:39:30.380
At that time, I was burying a child and also, like, working and, like, making all of the
04:39:38.460
shots, managing the money, managing the home, managing the meals, the food, the et cetera.
04:39:44.180
So, doing, like, 90% of the work and then that, there just was no polarity.
04:39:52.320
Like, he was my friend or my roommate or whatever.
04:39:55.980
And then, on top of that, the trauma was, like, no, thanks.
04:40:01.720
Were you expressing to him how you felt about that?
04:40:09.780
Like, before the breakup, were you like, hey, could you put in a little more effort
04:40:14.120
But it was looked at as nagging because I was already locked in.
04:40:28.540
Like, I don't think I was trying to be in my feminine.
04:40:34.400
I'm like, we need to get X, Y, and Z done and I can't trust you to do it.
04:40:39.500
Like, you know, as opposed to, like, let me take more time to be in my feminine and
04:40:44.520
maybe that will inspire you to desire me and then that will make you more masculine.
04:40:56.540
But what does need to be learned is how to communicate.
04:41:01.620
Look, I realize women want masculine men, but you picked him.
04:41:20.620
So, you guys dated and then you had a kid at 19.
04:41:28.440
Look, once you have a kid with a guy, you kind of passed up your chance to get the masculine
04:41:46.480
And then it was like, we were just really close.
04:42:07.600
I guess it is complicated by the fact that they were so young when they were dating.
04:42:11.900
But, like, if you're a woman and you're 23 and you meet a guy and then you guys are together
04:42:17.600
for 10 years and you have a kid with him and then you decide, oh, he's really not as masculine
04:42:28.320
But in your case, look, it sounds there's also potentially, I don't know the truth of
04:42:54.320
Random guys will simp over them, give them stuff and things.
04:42:59.060
What do you bring on the table to deserve those things?
04:43:08.660
I want to start off by saying I've blocked any guy that's ever said that to me.
04:43:44.140
I feel like it's a metaphor that I might misunderstand or understand.
04:43:49.260
I mean, like, women inherently, like, have value.
04:43:52.500
Being able to be loving, they submit, they're like the extension, the rib of a man.
04:43:57.960
So they are, like, valuable, they have resources to a man in general.
04:44:03.300
The man has to go and collect those resources and then bring them to the table and say,
04:44:13.780
Do you want to be a part of, like, union with me?
04:44:30.380
When it comes to dating dynamics that men don't have.
04:44:33.800
Like, most men have to become something to become attractive.
04:44:40.220
Whereas women, you can just be, like, a hot 19-year-old and, like, all the guys want you.
04:44:56.600
But I think where I disagree is that, as a woman, you have to bring more to the table than just you.
04:45:10.100
And so what I'm saying by that, what I'm saying is, if pussy is all you're bringing to the table,
04:45:15.660
because a lot of dudes are just happy to get some pussy, right?
04:45:27.400
But, like, I think in terms of, like, we're not saying, oh, bring money to the table.
04:45:34.400
But you need to bring something that a lot of other women aren't bringing.
04:45:38.860
So whether that could be lack of negative traits or it could be certain positive traits.
04:45:43.900
So, for example, I think this would be a lack of a negative trait.
04:45:47.000
A lot of men deal with, like, quarrelsome, nagging women who are just, they fuck your piece up.
04:45:54.060
And if you're a woman who can bring peace and you're not going to nag, you're not going to quarrel, you're not going to find fault with fucking everything he does, that's going to be a positive character.
04:46:04.140
That's going to be, I guess, well, a lack of a negative characteristic, right?
04:46:07.140
And so I think that if you can bring those things to the table, that's big.
04:46:18.240
I feel like a guy asking that question in general immediately, in my mind, puts them on the feminine spectrum.
04:46:28.060
I'm going to receive, prove yourself, like, tell me what you can do.
04:46:38.480
Like, if I, like, give you the safe environment, who are you inside?
04:46:47.220
I think it comes more from a place of, have you introspected about what your strengths are in terms of what makes you relationship material?
04:46:58.760
What makes you worthy beyond just us having sex?
04:47:03.420
Because you say that women are the table, and some of y'all raised your hands that women are the table.
04:47:08.800
But when you're seeking commitment, and guys are the gatekeepers of commitment, he's essentially saying, why should I commit to you?
04:47:15.540
What makes you special relative to these other women?
04:47:20.760
Well, you, I mean, that's the nature of the question.
04:47:23.000
I would rather say bye to that, bye to that guy, and, like, go to the guy that, like, actually wants to pursue me, and actually knows that he likes me, and is like, I want to take you out, I want to court you, I, like, I want to know about you, like, there's something that intrigues me about you, not the guy that's like, oh, tell me, like, what's so special about you.
04:47:43.060
I'm just saying the nature of the question is philosophical, so I'm saying that we ask that because we want to know what makes you special, because if women are, like you were saying, women are the table, on the basis of what?
04:47:56.920
If I get into a relationship with you, what are you offering that makes the relationship worth being in with me?
04:48:02.880
The ability to recreate life, which is, like, the most magical thing in the world, but...
04:48:22.900
That's, in essence, what we're asking when we say that.
04:48:27.320
I get that, but I would never be the kind of person to, like, try and prove something.
04:48:31.380
I would rather go for the person that's sure about me.
04:48:39.360
The table manufactured from the warehouse of the finest delusions.
04:48:44.400
Since you're a dating coach, and you also said that your girlfriend also likes sometimes to pay for you, it means, like, that both of you have some feminine energy, and sometimes also the masculine energy comes out also for your partner.
04:48:58.780
So, I see more like a relationship to be balanced.
04:49:02.440
It's not like, oh, what you bring to the table.
04:49:03.980
It's like, when you meet the person and you feel that you could connect, you also will learn what this person lacks.
04:49:10.220
Maybe, like, you know, insecurities or whatever.
04:49:14.280
I feel like a good relationship is when we're together.
04:49:19.220
If you lack something, I will help you to see another point of view as you will give it to me.
04:49:24.220
I don't see, like, all the time this materialistic thing, oh, you give me the money.
04:49:29.300
It has to be a bit more, if it's really a real relationship and not just, like, hooking up.
04:49:36.600
Not all the time being like, oh, you gave it to me.
04:49:42.800
Yeah, I mean, in a real relationship, you don't keep score.
04:49:48.780
I love when he also, like, comes back home with a rose.
04:49:51.860
Like, it really likes me because I know he thought about me.
04:49:55.100
So I think that question should never be existing.
04:50:06.440
A man asked a question like that, I think it's very hard for him to feel like the relationship is more of a job than, like, pursuing interest.
04:50:14.380
But the people in relationships aren't asking that.
04:50:16.820
The question is a rebuttal to women who believe that women are the table because it's egotistical.
04:50:30.800
What makes you different from other women outside of sex?
04:50:40.480
Like how birds bring, like, seeds to the females.
04:50:46.780
What do you think men should bring to the table?
04:51:09.700
Like, I can trust where they're going to take me mentally.
04:51:20.440
But in certain areas shouldn't also be from a woman.
04:51:26.020
Like, all the time we have to make these groups.
04:51:41.760
Like, we kind of, like, come next to each other.
04:51:45.040
Like, when I need something, he understands my needs.
04:51:47.920
But I hate when people, like, all the time say, oh, women are these, or men are these.
04:51:59.320
Like, I feel like we should actually put a bit more of the two genders together.
04:52:05.320
I'm confused here, because I'm sure if I ask the question, what should men bring to the table,
04:52:10.260
all of you guys would list a whole bunch of things.
04:52:12.400
When we're actually having a, whether you feel icked out about the question or not,
04:52:15.480
from an actual romantic partner, if we're having a conversation about it,
04:52:20.280
you guys could all list all these things that men should bring to the table.
04:52:25.060
What's wrong with asking what y'all bring to the table?
04:52:30.460
Well, she, no, she thinks there's something wrong.
04:52:56.760
I'm not saying it is that way, but I'm saying like,
04:52:59.100
I should be giving my all to someone, and they should be reciprocating the same thing.
04:53:03.580
So, look, I think there's a lot women can bring to the table.
04:53:14.440
Courtship, men should be providers, protectors, emotional safety, integrity.
04:53:34.300
Don't you think a wife and husband get married?
04:53:47.860
I literally cannot believe you've just said that.
04:53:51.260
I'd rather prefer a man who pays me for one time than doesn't want to pay me for
04:54:02.280
A man, mostly, when they want to marry a woman, they just want a woman who can give birth,
04:54:08.480
taking care of the housework, taking care of the kids.
04:54:22.940
That is like one of the most damning statements I've ever heard.
04:54:31.060
But I just feel like a lot of women don't understand that.
04:54:38.080
That's why there's a lot of divorce in this country.
04:54:46.180
Max, there's a lot of war because of relationships.
04:54:56.440
Well, we didn't agree with the transsexual either.
04:54:59.860
Daisy, you basically said wives are sex workers.
04:55:08.780
I'm just saying that whether she is doing OnlyFans or whether she's a wife to somebody.
04:55:17.920
Yeah, if she's a wife having sex with her husband, I don't think anybody has an issue with that.
04:55:32.980
You can't call somebody a sex worker when she's not.
04:55:48.720
I don't think that's something you should be ashamed about.
04:56:00.000
But you can be a sex worker and being doing legal sex work.
04:56:04.040
So, just to be clear, she has an OnlyFans and she posts nude photographs.
04:56:20.020
Like, it has to be affected, like, you know, physically.
04:56:24.520
I mean, sex worker is, like, a really broad term.
04:56:33.720
Fine, she's an OF girl who puts out pornography.
04:56:58.080
So, the point I'm trying to make is she's talking about integrity.
04:57:14.200
A woman who does OnlyFans and is posting nude photos of herself is not a lady.
04:57:29.760
Because the Overton window is totally shifting.
04:57:34.320
If you're a prostitute, you can still get a guy to pay for first dates.
04:57:49.360
Like, you're saying, okay, the guy needs to be a gentleman.
04:57:53.540
This is going back to what you bring to the table.
04:58:04.320
Like, you think most men dealing with you, they prefer you being an online girlfriend,
04:58:15.200
Any dude who's okay with his girl posting naked photos on the internet is a cuck.
04:58:20.640
Well, in my eyes, if I'm going to date a man, he's going to be doing what I'm doing for
04:58:28.300
So, personally, I wouldn't really want an OF if a guy was to come into my life and be
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Like, there's no reason for me to do that at that point.
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But you're also monetizing something that's very sacred.
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No, like, people will go on a first date and, like, sleep with that person.
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As opposed to, like, okay, I don't want to get this away for free.
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If she sleeps with me on the first date, though, she's cool.
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Is that you listed, oh, the guy should be a provider, protector, courtship.
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Like, you doing OF, that's going to do nothing for his emotional safety.
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Like, taking nude photos, putting them on the internet, so, like, strange dudes can bust a nut to you.
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I would live, like, I would, like, lay on the beach naked all day long, eat exotic fruit, and just, like, be in my element.
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And were men walking up to you and just, like, started jerking off and, like, busting a nut to you right on the beach?
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No, I don't, like, include myself in that part.
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The same photos of me laying on the sand in Hawaii that I would post on Instagram that I would write sacred captions to.
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Like, I now, instead of posting those on Instagram, post those on OF and get money for it.
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You're engaged in sex work, and most men are going to have a massive problem with that.
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You're lacking in integrity because you're doing OF.
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Top men don't even indulge this kind of garbage rationalization by listening to it.
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The top men have their pick of everybody, so you better learn how to cook.
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Yeah, so what's wrong with being a woman, selling her pictures online, but you...
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If a man watches porn, he has to be okay dating a girl who fucks other men on camera?
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Because you're, like, emotionally cheating by watching porn.
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Well, actually, if I'm in a relationship with a girl,
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I'm saying if you're single and you're watching porn.
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Just because a man watches porn doesn't mean he has to date a porn star.
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But he also shouldn't have an opinion about that.
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Like, if I watch, like, thriller, like, mystery...
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There are even animals prostituting themselves.
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Prostitution is not the oldest profession, first of all.
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What does it matter if it's the oldest profession?
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Wait, you know what else has been around for a really long time?
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Like, just back before there were laws and shit?
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Like, a caveman would just go and murder, like, another caveman or their entire family
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Is that just because it happened a really long time ago
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and it was happening for a really long period of time, does that mean it's okay?
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But you're now telling the killing should be fine against sex workers?
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And then, like, absolute brutality back before, like, humans had laws and shit.
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Men, the big strong man with the bigger club came and, like, killed all the men in this
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village and then took all the women and essayed them.
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Even top models are how naked during the runway.
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I'm not even necessarily making a criticism about sex work.
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You're saying all these should, shoulds about...
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You guys are modern women who want traditional men.
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I think if you want traditional treatment from men, you should be a traditional woman.
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Do OF where you're like chatting with dudes and getting them to like, what's the like
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You're getting these random dudes to coom and you're faking relationships with them and
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you're posting nude photos that are going to be out there forever.
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Your future husband and your children are not going to appreciate that.
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But if you think about it, if a man goes and look for her, it means that he's fine with
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And is it inconceivable for y'all to know that a man wants sexual exclusivity?
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An easy out is we know that men get turned on and want to ejaculate.
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That's what we're talking about here, is women who have boundaries and women who don't have boundaries.
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Men are saying they feel safe with a woman who expresses, like shows the world, I have boundaries with how I'm going to share my sexuality, how I'm going to share my body.
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I guess what I don't understand is, like many women, you've just completely forsaken and abandoned and cast aside all of this sort of traditional gender expectations and gender roles on your end.
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But then with the utmost entitlement, exhibit A, still expect men to adhere to our traditional gender roles.
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You want a guy to protect, you want a guy to provide, you want a guy to pay for everything, you want the courtship, she'll worry, blah, blah, blah.
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If you want gentlemanly treatment, you have to be a lady.
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A woman who's producing pornographic content, you're not a lady.
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You can still get it because there's a lot of, and you might even find like a really attractive guy.
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And a lot of these girls, even if they do porn, look, there's always some dude around the corner.
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You'll probably, like there's a lot of cope from men like, oh, if she's done this, she's just tainted forever and she's never.
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I think there's a lot of simp guys that are going to overlook a whole bunch of bullshit.
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But if we're having a conversation about like what is deserved, I genuinely think it's kind of like a super untenable position for you to have an OF, to be a sex worker, and to say, I want a guy with integrity, and I want a guy to court me, and I want a guy to be a gentleman and pay for dates.
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A woman not having her nude photographs all over the internet.
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It's not feminine to me, and I think femininity is more important to me than like how a man like sees me.
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Yeah, the perception of daughters shouldn't touch you.
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I'm not like, I don't really care how some random guy in the future is going to perceive me from a time when we weren't even like together.
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Like if I come into like our lives and we then meet from that point on, like that's what matters from that point on.
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You think that, but so women, y'all care about a man's future.
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So this idea that, oh, okay, like most guys are just not going to give a fuck.
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Actually, a lot of men are going to care about your past.
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Talking about energies, if you are sleeping with men, I even think if you're enticing a man to look at you in that way by your actions, energy work, you're like inviting in that, his energy into you.
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This is why men don't want a high body count is it's essentially the baggage.
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Like if he was like, I want to settle down and marry you.
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The only reason why I'm doing that is because I don't have a man like that.
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And in my like, from what I can see, men are not like that anymore.
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So why would I go waitress a thousand hours and like sleep deprive myself and lose my feminine energy to like then hope that like a guy will accept me.
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She's just saying she has more ability and time to take care of herself.
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With a monogamous partner, but just like having that out there on the internet and just like having a bunch of random dudes coom to you, like that's not sensuality.
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Well, it's for me and my experience and like however men see that or whatever they do with that is like up to them.
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Like I create content that I feel happy with that I'm comfortable with that are within my boundaries.
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So what if a girl sat here and says I do Bukkake gangbang content and I feel happy with I feel happy with that and men shouldn't judge me because I'm doing like I'm fucking like a hundred men on camera.
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Because you're actually inviting that energy into your body and you're absorbing it and women naturally want to submit and like our hormones absorb and match with the man like the men that we're sleeping with.
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So if you're just sure, so I'll agree with you that there's scales to it like a girl who's doing gangbang content.
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That's probably different than a girl who's posting like solo nude content, but there is still the other component where you're like engaging in these like parasocial relationships with these men.
05:11:19.040
Yeah, you said you give the girlfriend experience.
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She said before the agency, just like a PR way to attract actually clients.
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Girlfriend experience when you chint chat, being very girlfriend, like behaving and talking to your chat, like your clients.
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You're basically paying for her to act like a girlfriend.
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The whole, the whole occupation, it's literally to act and fake your love and companionship toward emotionally vulnerable men and exploit them.
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I don't think it's like a great building block to a, like a healthy relationship.
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Like how can you fall in love with someone whose primary skill is faking affection and selling the dream and taking his money?
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I had a friend who, she worked in the OF community and she worked at like an office for it, for like this agency.
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And actually, they have certain people come into work every day who message these men.
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Like it's like a bunch of like random people who like text them and like they think that they're talking to the girl, but it's just literally someone who went into work.
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Do you, do you think, you think what you do is integrous?
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So, are you, are y'all okay with men playing with women's emotions?
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Are you okay with men playing with women's emotions?
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Like a woman's beauty and like her sensuality is naturally valuable.
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Whatever men interpret it like that as or do with that, like that's on them.
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I just want to know if you're, if you're cool with men playing with women's emotions.
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Like if a man knows that, cause, cause y'all love to use predatory and these kinds of words in the way that you exploit men by giving them the girlfriend experience and they're paying you to them.
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And some of these men really believe that you're genuinely interested in them.
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I've, I've had clients who've struggled with this.
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I had a client who spent, um, I want to say 20 K in a month for a woman that was the only fans worker who he was carrying on a relationship with.
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And he believed that this woman really liked him because she was feeding him lies, telling them she wanted to see him and everything like this.
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And he was sending her money and he couldn't figure out if she was genuinely interested in him or not.
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And I had to show him that this woman is extracting money out of you because she just wants your resources.
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I think if it's in a manipulative sense, like where she just generally doesn't care about him or it's like they, she thinks like they're going to one day like get married, but then like she really doesn't give a fuck about him.
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But if a woman is saying I'm naturally sensual, I'm naturally in tune with myself.
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In your only fans, it says the perfect online girlfriend you've been dreaming of.
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Did you end up, did you still like commit a crime?
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Like if I, when I was managing my own OF, like my bio was like divine, feminine, sacred, like sensuality.
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Men want girlfriend experience going to make me whatever.
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You're naturally sensual and you're okay with your sexuality.
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So you're willing to sacrifice your integrity for money.
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Representing you in a way that you seem to not want to take accountability for.
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And this agency, this agency is going to be chatting with the guys, pretending that they're you.
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They're going to be pretending they're you, but they're, it's a guy who's actually talking to a dude.
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And I know on OF, they have to pay for messages and whatnot.
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And then in addition to that, maybe this agency is going to try to sucker these men into some sort of, uh, parasocial relationship or even, uh, lead him on into thinking he's actually dating you because you say in your bio, girlfriend experience.
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Yeah, but girlfriend experience, she didn't say I'm going to be your girlfriend.
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The perfect online girlfriend you've, I'm sorry, that's, that's a pretty strong representation that you're selling the girlfriend experience.
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And the reality is, um, whether it's you who wrote that or your agency, if your agency is your representative, like if Jeff Bezos has a PR person, has a publicist who put something out, he can't just be like, oh, the public, it was the public.
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You can't just throw your hands up and just totally, uh, like revoke any sort of accountability.
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Like, I feel so sorry about what happened and that was really wrong what they did to
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him because that's fraud and they stole from him.
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But about her, uh, bio, she's not saying I'm going to be your girlfriend for a year.
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If you want to chat with me, I will be faking to be your girlfriend.
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And look, who knows what the messages that are being sent are.
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These men who are representing her could very well be like, actually playing and being like,
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It's usually the men who chat with the men who are paying for it because they know what
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But look, ultimately, I want to bring it back kind of more to the central topic here is
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you want all these things in a guy, but like you want a guy to be traditional.
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So accept the 50-50, accept the soy boy, accept the feminine man.
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I mean, you don't have to, but it's just like interesting to me.
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Because I'm naturally sensual and there's a way to make money off of that now.
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Do you think that has anything to do with integrity?
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That women can actually be given value because they're naturally sensual.
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The reason why I think OF exists is because there's not direct monetary value on what women
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If you were to calculate what a housewife does, it comes out to like $160,000 a year.
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But it doesn't matter because they should do it out of love.
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I don't really think like women are out there looking to like get like fucked.
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Is that all that happens in a relationship is just fucking?
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I mean, I think there's more to it than just sex and money and fucking and chores.
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Like their women's are nourishing, but they don't put value on that.
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Like women are loving, but you can't put value on that.
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Women are sensual, but you don't put value on that.
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You're saying that a woman's sexuality has a dollar point to it.
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Like they don't value what women naturally bring, which is why there is a patriarchy.
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Like men make more money and they are directly given money for the value that they bring.
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And you don't think that having a child like has value or like is working hard?
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Do you think that you provide value to a man as you are if you were to go into his life and like.
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I don't see the subjection to like that being viewed in that way.
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Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, you don't
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think that one of the most, the biggest values that a woman could bring in.
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And what a lot of men want is a wife and children.
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And it's by the way, the only way that the human species can continue is by women having
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Like, do you think, what do you think is more valuable?
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And then you're a grandma and you've got a whole big happy family around you.
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Have you told your parents about the sex work that you do?
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Like, he's happy that I'm taking care of myself.
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And I think I've been able to go farther in life and do more than, like.
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Was he accepting of it when you first revealed that you were?
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Most men are going to view that as way more respectable than, like, you having.
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I don't care, like, to be looked at in a certain way, like, in a man's eyes.
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I care about staying feminine and staying soft within my own energy.
05:22:40.200
Make sure that I'm well maintained and enjoy doing that.
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And, like, enjoy a comfortable, like, soft, relaxed life.
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Not, like, oh, she busts her ass from the times I didn't even know her.
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Like, I want the guy that's like, oh, I like that you wanted to stay soft and you wanted to stay beautiful.
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So, men work on the fights outside of themselves.
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And what I'm trying to say is an easy thing you're doing is you see yourself as a beautiful woman.
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So, to me, that's not using discernment, which is very feminine.
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They don't even have to be naked and they'll still pay for it.
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I wouldn't have the confidence to do that, honestly.
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I have an Instagram and I'm not getting paid for it.
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And I know that you love being in your feminine.
05:24:06.420
Is there anything outside of OF that you dream of doing that also can keep you in your feminine central energy?
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Kind of like maybe being a dance teacher, something where you're, you know.
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Is there anything else that you're passionate about that maybe you can see a way out of what you do?
05:24:26.780
Because, for example, me, I have a lot of different career paths, a lot of different passions.
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But, you know, even when I'm working in an oral surgery office, you know, I'm strapping down the patient for anesthesia in the most feminine way.
05:24:41.680
Like, it doesn't take away from my femininity at all.
05:24:48.140
So I'm just wondering, like, there's such a big world out there.
05:24:56.860
That's what I'm trying to say is you're making it seem like this is what femininity is.
05:25:07.260
Well, I would say my femininity can come from internally or it can come from showing up to a makeup set and doing a client's makeup or doing my own makeup and feeling feminine and beautiful with that look.
05:25:19.300
So your question is, is there something else that I would do or enjoy?
05:25:23.160
I mean, I coached women for six years, like, my own business.
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Sometimes I would have, like, 20K months, like, sometimes even more.
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I do, like, marketing videos for brands or for beauty brands or influencing videos.
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OF is just something that's, like, on the side.
05:25:51.020
Wait, why would you, if you were making $20,000 a month, why would you ever start doing sex work?
05:26:01.940
Because I kind of, like, burnt myself out on it.
05:26:06.660
Like, I couldn't handle another conversation about, like, trauma work or healing.
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I'm going to come back to this in just a sec, but I'm going to let these chats come through.
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If you want to have a family, what are you actively doing to achieve that goal?
05:26:23.740
You don't start dating a guy, then stop doing off.
05:26:29.700
Yeah, most guys are not going to be happy with you doing OF.
05:26:43.600
Because realistically, you said you want a guy that's going to come and say,
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oh, you know, I love the fact that you did X, Y, Z.
05:26:52.580
He's going to look at it from a perception of positivity, I guess.
05:26:56.020
How many guys do you think exist like that, that you're going to like?
05:27:00.760
Like, do you ultimately think you're going to end up in the type of relationship you want
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That I, like, did modeling before him or something?
05:27:10.720
Like a masculine guy that you like, that you, the type of guy that you want,
05:27:14.080
the traditional guy that you want that has integrity, that's going to court you, etc., etc.
05:27:18.920
Or do you, what do you think the odds are that you would stumble across a guy like that?
05:27:22.120
Well, I've dated, like, high-value men before and men that are very, like, religious or very conservative.
05:27:29.080
And something that they have said to me is, like, whatever a woman does prior, like, to me doesn't matter.
05:27:40.380
And what matters to me because I'm dominant and because I'm masculine and because I personally genuinely feel that my influence is strong enough,
05:27:50.080
that when I do meet that girl, like, I have the ability to mold and connect and, like, relate with her on, like, a soul level.
05:27:59.480
And if that, from that standpoint, like, she still chooses to do that or from that standpoint, she has toxic behavior, then, yes, like, you don't choose that girl.
05:28:09.880
But just because someone does X, Y, and Z prior to you being able to even, like, have an influence, like, it doesn't, I think a masculine man that I'm looking for can have an actual influence on me.
05:28:22.700
So, why didn't it work with any of these men that you dated that you just spoke of?
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Like, I just feel like there's not emotional safety sometimes.
05:28:42.380
Everything you just said to me sounded like emotional depth.
05:28:45.240
You said these guys are telling you, I want a woman, you know, I like the fact that this, that, and the third.
05:28:50.360
That sounds like emotional depth, sounds like they're understanding.
05:28:53.120
So, what was the issue with these high-value men that you dated that said it was basically cool with what you did and it wasn't focused on what you do before them?
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I mean, different things for, like, different people.
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You just explained the emotional depth and the acceptance.
05:29:07.100
Yeah, emotional depth as, like, I mean, I wouldn't say that that means they're emotionally depth.
05:29:11.480
It means that they have, like, a level of maturity where they're not, like, insecure about something prior.
05:29:16.420
And they actually are confident within themselves to then mold and, like, you know, impact a woman.
05:29:23.580
But it doesn't mean that they just completely check off, like, emotional maturity.
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Like, that person didn't have, like, a lot of relationship history.
05:29:40.280
Yeah, like, I would have been, like, their first, like, real, like, girlfriend and I didn't want that.
05:29:47.780
Oh, it sounds like he was high-value and never had a relationship?
05:29:58.720
When you pray to have some quality, God doesn't give it to you.
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He gives you the opportunity to display that quality.
05:30:03.400
Chair one, if your man wasn't masculine, did you ever give him the opportunity?
05:30:14.760
We also have a message from Black Panther Dev Soccer.
05:30:23.180
Ethiopian girl, you seem interesting even though you look tired, bored.
05:30:37.800
Look, I guess I'll only reiterate it one last time.
05:30:43.820
I don't think I've really received an answer on this.
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Sex work, posting to OF, however you want to categorize it, I don't think that this is traditional.
05:31:08.940
But why do you think you deserve, then, a traditional man?
05:31:14.900
Because I've calculated myself, and I've really understood that internally, I am traditional.
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Because it requires a man to come in and lead that and build a container for it in order for a woman to properly submit.
05:31:45.280
Yeah, it's not feminine to be conditionally feminine.
05:31:47.580
Oh, I'm a masculine boss babe, and I've got to wait for a guy to break me.
05:31:52.440
Do you feel like a woman's more feminine when she's in a relationship or when she's single?
05:32:03.340
I'm saying is she more feminine, single, or in a relationship?
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I reject the premise that you're either feminine, less feminine, or more feminine.
05:32:13.500
If men are dating around, and a woman is exuding true femininity, like self-worth,
05:32:19.380
I'm, in my opinion, selling naked photos, there's an insecurity lying under that.
05:32:39.640
So I feel like there's a disconnect, and men can pick up on that.
05:32:43.440
There's some distrust happening because you're saying one thing, but you're doing another.
05:32:47.020
I mean, I don't, like, intake your opinion, but I hear you.
05:33:00.840
Do you think that being involved in sex work...
05:33:07.340
It says the quality of being honest, sincere, and having strong moral principles.
05:33:13.380
Do you think, you don't think there's any sort of sexual immorality when it comes to being
05:33:25.360
So me connecting with my sensuality is for me and myself.
05:33:30.100
If a man came into my life, that's then for him.
05:33:41.820
Like, do you think being a porn star is, like, sexually moral?
05:33:45.540
I mean, I don't judge, because, like, I don't know how that can work for some people, but
05:33:52.060
Like, I don't think, like, that's sexually moral.
05:34:05.580
I think that being a porn star, to me, wouldn't be something that I wanted to do, or that
05:34:17.120
But I'm not absorbing, like, someone else's energy.
05:34:20.460
Sure, but you're doing solo pornographic content.
05:34:34.760
How would you feel about a man doing naked photo shoots, though?
05:34:38.120
If a man, if a masculine man's like, well, yes, I sell dick pics, how would you feel about
05:34:54.620
Do you have different women on this cast, or do you change them out?
05:35:02.660
Kind of seems like everyone wants interchange level to the ones before.
05:35:16.620
You keep using the phrase energy to avoid accountability for your degenerate life choices.
05:35:22.220
Yeah, I mean, I don't think she's going to bite on it.
05:35:27.600
I'm not really sure how to explain it, but yeah.
05:35:35.920
Do you think men who are not gentlemen deserve a lady?
05:35:46.000
I mean, perhaps, but will it keep her soft, and will it keep her like a lady in the long term?
05:35:59.420
I'm going to blast through the rest of the notes here, because we can't linger too long on this.
05:36:04.820
I'm going to finish up your notes here really quick.
05:36:13.160
You said, in general, that God needs to be the center of a relationship.
05:36:18.120
The relationship can't just be self-fulfilling.
05:36:20.060
It needs to have a bigger purpose besides just each person's needs.
05:36:25.980
I've been going to church, but no, I didn't, like, grow up religious.
05:36:32.260
Which, I mean, when you go to church, what, do you go to a Christian church?
05:36:37.160
Is it Protestant, non-denominate, what denomination?
05:36:42.000
You just go to church, and you, is it Lutheran, Protestant?
05:37:02.720
I think, now we're going into, like, the definition of God.
05:37:07.320
But I think God, like, the purity and, like, the creator needs to be at the center of a relationship.
05:37:48.700
I think the emphasis should be on men lusting as opposed to, because that's, like, an actual sin versus, like, a woman just being sensual.
05:38:04.400
I'm not saying that, like, I'm saying, like, that should be the emphasis if we're actually talking about, like, sins.
05:38:08.800
And, absolutely, men have put a demand on the market.
05:38:15.600
If I'm, like, intentional with it, and I'm connected to myself, and I'm literally just in my sensual energy, and I take pictures in that moment, then I don't see that, like, God would, like, look down upon that.
05:38:29.740
You don't see anything wrong with eliciting the lust that you said men should control.
05:38:37.360
I would be like that anyways, because there wasn't a demand for it.
05:38:41.020
So, the way that there's a demand is channeled the way that it is.
05:38:43.540
There's a demand for, there's a demand for crack, too.
05:38:51.300
So, like, a component of adultery is, like, inducing into lust.
05:39:23.220
You believe selling yourself for money indicates purity?
05:39:53.200
And if we all raise them, then men would have to meet us there.
05:39:56.000
As women, women, women, we shouldn't go blindly into dating and know exactly what we want.
05:40:10.140
I don't think the problem is women's standards are too high.
05:40:14.180
I think right now, having kids without a two-parent household, all of that comes from women not having higher standards.
05:40:25.640
If they required more for men, there would be less casual sex.
05:40:29.720
There would be more that the man would have to step up to the plate in order to create the union.
05:40:35.000
But I think standards are very low, and casual sex is a thing, and that that is the modern dating world.
05:40:43.180
Where I'm getting confused is I appreciate what you're saying, and I can be on board for that.
05:40:47.740
Where it's conflicting for me, though, is what you're doing, and you're also exuding a lot of sex.
05:40:57.940
And I, honest to God, like, I will own the mistakes I made in my past, but I am trying to do the things that you're saying to call in that sacred union, that sacred partnership.
05:41:10.020
But you're saying you're going to do what you're doing until that man steps in.
05:41:21.940
But I do want to move things on quickly here because we have a lot to get to.
05:41:26.460
Here, I'm just going to finish your notes then.
05:41:29.760
That a woman can't ever really be in her feminine energy fully without the right man to ease life and help turn off her brain.
05:41:36.560
Women have been brainwashed to believe they exist for a man, and pleasing him comes first, and then takes away the actual power of a woman because she is her most radiant and nurturing when her cup is filled with blank.
05:42:05.900
No, I think it's men have been brainwashed to do this.
05:42:12.480
Well, I'm speaking as a woman, but yes, men have also been brainwashed.
05:42:21.480
Okay, so like if a woman's anxious or some shit can't exist.
05:42:24.540
Like, if a man's not providing and protecting, there can't actually be love.
05:42:30.200
You're too caught up in what you're going to pay for next and how you're going to survive, and I don't think that...
05:42:40.960
You said men shouldn't pursue unless they have their life together.
05:42:43.340
There shouldn't be a woman playing Bob the Builder.
05:42:45.500
It only hinders a man to feel enough and not go all in on his goals.
05:42:51.600
So, like, men shouldn't pursue unless they're, like, ready to be providers, kind of?
05:42:56.360
Yeah, unless they're, like, ready to, like, have a family and, like, take care, or at least in a position to be there.
05:43:05.880
So, like, men of, like, a lower socioeconomic class shouldn't date or reproduce?
05:43:14.760
Why would they want to bring a child into that?
05:43:19.480
Because some people don't date for kids, but...
05:43:21.720
Some people just want to, like, get married and, like, that's it.
05:43:24.540
But do you think, like, men who are, like, let's say men...
05:43:27.600
But it's all, there's still a possibility, and I think as a man, you should take responsibility as a provider and be, like, even if that does happen, I want to be able to take care.
05:43:35.900
Okay, so do you think a guy who makes less than 50K a year, should he not reproduce?
05:43:56.180
I mean, maybe some people do, like, maybe if you're, like, on a farm...
05:43:59.840
If you're, like, in a, like, on a farmland, or you're living more natural, then, yeah, I'm sure that could be...
05:44:04.840
Okay, so you're, just to be clear, your position is men of a certain socioeconomic class should not pursue women, and by extension...
05:44:12.600
It's not about, like, how much, it's if they're living, if they could provide for their living.
05:44:20.600
Let's say he's going to struggle, but he still wants a family, a wife, and kids.
05:44:24.680
Why would you want to bring children into that?
05:44:31.120
Why would you want to bring children into struggle?
05:44:36.100
I'm generally a breadwinner until I was about 10 years old.
05:44:40.360
My dad was in a breadwinner until I left the house.
05:44:44.380
Well, yeah, obviously, I can say I come from the same situation, but my personal belief is
05:44:49.060
that I think if we had more men taking that serious and saying, I'm going to live within
05:44:57.920
They wouldn't feel like they have to work, and they don't have time for their kids, and
05:45:01.780
You think it's men who's not living within their means?
05:45:10.160
If you choose a woman, and then you guys can't live within your means, you did that because
05:45:14.840
Well, last time I checked, when you get in a relationship with a woman, and it's the
05:45:21.900
She's the one who wants to live outside your means.
05:45:24.940
A lot of times, guys are content with what they make in their jobs and their careers.
05:45:28.740
It's women that come along and, you know, make it exacerbate the situation.
05:45:40.020
But, so, okay, guys who are making less than 50K a year, should they not have kids?
05:45:45.000
If they can live within their means, then they have a wife that lives within that means
05:45:50.000
as well, or wants to live within that means as well.
05:45:54.020
But, okay, should people of a certain socioeconomic class not reproduce?
05:46:08.020
If you have this much bills and you make this much, you shouldn't recreate children into
05:46:30.540
There's thousands of, like, situations like that.
05:46:35.820
There's lots of people that go through so much trauma and then go into drugs and then,
05:46:44.940
Okay, if they're living within their means, then yes.
05:46:48.100
If that's how they live and they can live within their means, then yes, they can and should.
05:46:54.700
You said, a woman is more than her physical body and body count.
05:46:58.100
A woman is ever unfolding and it depends on my man at hand if he gets her to bloom and
05:47:11.080
A woman is more than her physical body and body count.
05:47:13.500
A woman is ever unfolding and it depends on my man at hand if he gets her to bloom and
05:47:28.200
Okay, we're going to open this up to the panel because we're now talking about body
05:47:34.180
Okay, a woman is more than her physical body and body counts.
05:47:36.960
I agree, but I also think men care about body count.
05:47:43.740
In the questionnaire, you said, are men insecure for caring about a woman's body count?
05:47:55.720
I think I talked about this the last time I was here.
05:48:00.480
Like, if a man has a high body count and expects a woman to not have a high body count, I think
05:48:11.240
But if a man, like, he's saving himself for marriage and he has a low body count or no
05:48:15.940
body count and he expects that from a woman as well, I think that's valid.
05:48:27.720
Like, do you think a man is insecure for caring about a woman's body count?
05:48:31.820
I don't even understand why it became, like, a question to ask, like, your body count.
05:48:37.300
Why don't you just meet the person, try to get to know her?
05:48:40.580
Why do you need to know, oh, how many people have you slept with?
05:48:48.960
Like, you tell me, oh, I had sex with XX woman.
05:48:58.240
Like, how does that affect the current relationship?
05:49:01.500
You didn't do anything bad to me if you slept with other people.
05:49:06.280
Like, I mean, in your past, you did what you had to do, you felt that you wanted to.
05:49:11.760
I mean, if you're not giving me any kind of, like, sexual sickness while doing sex or
05:49:19.400
If a woman doesn't have a high body count, it shows she has discipline and she doesn't.
05:49:27.980
Just because society decided that we have to follow those rules for who and what.
05:49:33.860
If you feel comforted that you want to have sex with different people, good for you.
05:49:37.400
Until you don't give me problems, you shouldn't even think about, oh, how many people.
05:49:42.740
It's his business or her business, mine's yours.
05:49:46.500
No, we'll talk, we're going to talk all about that.
05:49:49.300
Hunter, your position, are men insecure for caring about a woman's body count?
05:49:58.680
So what we're going to do is we're going to go around the table.
05:50:01.280
If body count really doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, what's your body count?
05:50:17.160
But people are always looking for something to judge.
05:50:20.340
And whether it's one or whether it's whatever number, like, I personally don't think it matters.
05:50:32.720
It's just a manifestation of your sensuality, the numerous men that you've had sex with.
05:52:03.840
but I'll explain it after Brian says what he says.
05:52:29.840
I had a conversation with my boyfriend before I came over here,
05:52:33.840
and he requested that I do not talk about anything like that,
05:52:36.980
so I'm going to respect his wishes and won't be answering.
05:52:41.920
Who's going to badge up and say their body count?
05:52:46.500
And I will own this, and this is where shame comes into play.
05:52:54.720
Because that's where I feel safest, giving my body.
05:52:58.380
I was also that woman who was loose with boundaries,
05:53:02.080
and yes, there were four other men that I slept with,
05:53:06.600
I hold personal shame with that because the men that I did not have commitment with
05:53:11.000
and I slept with, I felt shitty after those sexual experiences.
05:53:20.120
I mean, why would we be shamed about, like, having sex?
05:53:29.760
Where just men like that, women like that, human beings like that.
05:53:54.460
Like, in the high hundreds or, like, the low hundreds or.
05:53:59.020
Like, two to three or like six to a young body.
05:54:16.000
You've put your sensuality on a certain amount of men.
05:54:45.340
I don't like the subject, so I would just not answer.
05:54:51.880
Before, you said the past doesn't matter, but it clearly does.
05:54:53.940
I believe that this conversation is very shaming.
05:55:01.420
When I first told Brian, I will be fair, when I first told Brian, because I told him off
05:55:06.140
camera, and he was very open, respectful, and kind about it.
05:55:11.280
Yeah, but I'm online, and there are other people, and I don't feel comfortable to share
05:55:21.540
Well, I am who I am, thanks to my past, but that still doesn't define me who I was
05:55:26.320
last year and completely a different person from last year.
05:55:51.240
I don't want to participate in these questions.
05:55:57.500
It seems like body count kind of matters if you're just unwilling to reveal it.
05:56:16.360
I did it for, like, she's going to scroll through the list of names.
05:56:31.100
By the way, W for, I want to give you credit for the women who did share.
05:56:36.180
It takes a lot because it's something I've actually never really told anyone besides, like,
05:56:40.400
my two best friends, and it's something that I'm, like, very, like, insecure about, but,
05:56:45.980
you know, it's just, it's not who I am anymore.
05:56:50.300
What we're trying to say is we felt shame being in that, and you guys are doing it.
05:56:56.180
I think what happened to me is a lot of the situations I was in, it's, like, I used
05:57:01.380
to think that this guy is only going to commit to me if I give something up, and I would
05:57:07.440
And it was just, like, a constant cycle of, like, doing that and thinking that's all men
05:57:13.720
And I think that was a mistake on my behalf, but it also, it kind of fucked me up in a
05:57:17.680
way because there were situations where guys, you know, they would try to pursue me in that
05:57:22.440
way, and then I would say no, and then they would leave me because I would say no.
05:57:25.800
So then I started saying yes more often, and it was just, like, I could never win.
05:57:29.760
So I just kind of did whatever at that point, you know?
05:57:39.560
Oh, I've never, like, done it more, like, in a 20, like, more than one person in a 24-hour
05:58:01.880
It was never, like, oh, I have to go fuck this virgin.
05:58:20.440
What year, at what age was your craziest year for the bodies?
05:58:38.320
Yeah, it was, like, everyone, like, in high school.
05:58:44.180
Was either usually in high school or had, like, just graduated.
05:58:47.520
Like, it was always, like, usually my age range.
05:58:51.460
Was there a month that it just went down, like, crazy, you know?
05:58:56.660
I would definitely say when I first moved here a year ago.
05:59:00.940
Honestly, ever since I moved here a year ago, it's been, like, down.
05:59:11.280
When I came here to L.A., it definitely went down a lot.
05:59:14.320
But when I was in high school, it was going up.
05:59:26.960
You can sit in parking lots and sit around a fire.
05:59:30.900
Every weekend, you go sit in a random parking lot or you sit around a fire.
05:59:36.340
But those parking lot seatings turned into a lot of things.
05:59:43.020
Like, of all the bodies, like, how many of them were in cars?
05:59:50.300
I mean, some of them I did it multiple times with them because I was, like...
05:59:53.920
Trying to actively seek a relationship with them or I was in a relationship with them.
06:00:03.520
Are you going to try to keep it under 100, though?
06:00:07.260
I would like my next body to be the last one, quite frankly.
06:00:21.400
Number one has an IQ lower than those milkies that drop in 10 years.
06:00:51.280
I don't have enough cognitive ability to keep deflecting like this.
06:00:58.440
Do you want to look into this camera and give him a wink?
06:01:14.460
But maybe it'll come to me later, but I don't know.
06:01:16.320
I think you've asked a couple when we first had this conversation that you didn't ask me today.
06:01:21.600
Can I also point out, her vulnerability right now is super feminine.
06:01:32.840
Because when I first came on this podcast, I was very nervous about it because I thought
06:01:41.360
And I appreciate the positivity and the comfort that you've all given.
06:01:48.340
And she goes, I think I'm going to tell them my body count on the podcast.
06:02:03.320
Damien, can you pull up the male version of her, though?
06:02:30.300
Bro, this guy, do you think he could get a 95 body count?
06:02:40.600
I'm like, would a girl's equivalent be able to?
06:02:46.000
I just want to know why the head is so much smaller than the body.
06:02:48.420
Because they had to remove the hair, and the hair was already, like, cutting a lot about, like, the face.
06:03:02.800
Wait, but okay, the body count thing really quick in Q.
06:03:05.920
One thing with you, you said the past doesn't matter, right?
06:03:11.700
I believe that we are who we are in the present thanks to the experience that we had in the past,
06:03:16.340
but we are not supposed all the time to judge somebody just because this person did something in the past.
06:03:23.060
Like, we should actually see the person, how he's right now, when he's meeting it, whoever he is, and see how it goes.
06:03:30.480
Do you date every single guy who shows interest in you?
06:03:37.600
I mean, dating, to me, when I was still single and looking for somebody, I had to be ready and actually emotionally able to try,
06:03:48.320
open myself, let somebody know about my personality, my vulnerabilities, my insecurities.
06:03:58.340
There was a period of your life where you weren't ready to date.
06:04:00.300
When you were ready to date, were there men you rejected?
06:04:17.640
You clearly judged that they weren't a good match for you.
06:04:23.400
And what was the criteria and the metrics by which...
06:04:26.380
If I want to have a relationship with somebody, I have to be emotionally connected.
06:04:36.220
Like, my boyfriend right now, Gabriele, he makes me feel so comfortable with myself.
06:04:58.760
Why do you judge these men who didn't make you feel good?
06:05:14.920
And I don't object to that, but women are really picky when it comes to the...
06:05:19.740
Women are really picky when it comes to the men that they deal with.
06:05:26.760
And you guys will turn down, reject men for a long list of different things.
06:05:35.220
It could be their lack of money, resources, whatever it is.
06:05:56.160
Yeah, I guess if that's for use, like, you want to use the word judgment, yeah, then I judged.
06:06:02.280
Like, I feel comfortable to talk to you, talk to you.
06:06:04.860
I'm not feeling uncomfortable, so I'm quite okay to be here.
06:06:09.360
If maybe I went on a date and this person wasn't making me feel really comfortable, yeah, then I judged him, and I just said, hey, listen, I don't feel really that we connect that well, so thank you, and that's it.
06:06:25.320
I don't have a problem with the fact that women judge, because at the end of the day, it is mate selection, and you're talking about somebody that you would potentially be pregnant by.
06:06:32.940
So, of course, you have to be more careful and discerning and selective with who you let inside your pants.
06:06:38.540
But I wanted to ask you, because you say past behavior doesn't matter, what do you think the best predictor of future behavior is?
06:06:50.360
So, based on my relationship, what made me feel that Gabriele, it fit for me, is that every time I felt that there was some lacking in our relationship, we could have a communication, and you would tell me how he felt, what made him feel uncomfortable about my behavior.
06:07:09.400
And so, hey, also, this one makes me, does it make me feel good, or this one, I love when you do this.
06:07:14.760
Communication, like trying to be in the same line, so that I do not disrespect you, you do not disrespect me.
06:07:23.420
No shaming, no judgment, it's just like trying to be as loving and accepting of one another.
06:07:35.660
That puts you in a situation where you did something wrong, but maybe you didn't want to do that, you know?
06:07:40.260
I know, but I just want you to think about it really quickly.
06:07:42.460
Think about what the best predictor of future behavior is, and I'll give you an example.
06:07:59.140
So, when you look at things like that, when people are evaluating if they should take a chance on you, we look at what you've been known to do, right?
06:08:07.480
We look at behavioral patterns, your tendencies, right?
06:08:12.340
So, when you say you don't think body count should matter, what body count does is convey a pattern about your sexual behavior.
06:08:20.520
It conveys a pattern about your sexual selectivity.
06:08:23.620
It tells me, as a guy, that you're either really desperate, you don't have a very selective mind when it comes to the type of guys that you get with, and that makes me believe that you'd be more liable to cheat, or you, like, essentially, it would fuck up commitment.
06:08:41.940
I wouldn't be able to carry a long-term relationship with you, and you have to understand, this is from the male's perspective when he's evaluating if a woman has a high body count, and I will say, the magnitude in which it does matter is very important, because when you work with guys who are second-guessing their relationship, I had a client who was married for 30-something years, and he had just found out that his wife had a promiscuous past.
06:09:03.380
And she is the perfect wife in his eyes, but he was really conflicted when she revealed to him the guys that she slept with long before she met him, and he was contemplating divorce.
06:09:18.740
And I had another client who was dating a girl in college, and he found out where her body count was, and it fucked with him to the point to where he didn't know if he wanted to continue dating her, because, one, it can be embarrassing as a guy to date a woman where every guy has had.
06:09:32.520
That's, like, socially, you got the talent whore on your arm.
06:09:36.420
I understand your point of view, like, let's say that this is the first time actually somebody's explaining it in a more psychological way.
06:09:43.740
Because usually on the internet, oh, what's her body count?
06:09:48.180
It's very overwhelming when you see all this judgment online, Moss.
06:09:51.900
But I understand your point of view, mostly the psychological impact that we'll give to the person when this information comes.
06:09:59.120
I have to be honest, we, me and my boyfriend had this conversation, and we've been very honest about it.
06:10:06.380
He always and always had really long relationships, and he had just only two hookups, and then he met me, because he's younger, and I met him when he was 19.
06:10:17.340
And we spent one year just as friends, and then we actually developed feelings.
06:10:24.180
But we accepted each other, but we started as just friends.
06:10:30.420
Because I just, I was in Italy for Chinese New Year, COVID hit, I couldn't go back home, I was stuck there.
06:10:36.260
My whole life, lost, and I was lonely, because my friends were everywhere in the continent, except that city, apart from two people, and my family, thank God.
06:10:51.400
Even if he never traveled, literally never traveled, he was enough empath to me to understand what I was living.
06:10:57.620
When I wasn't even understanding, I was in depression.
06:11:00.780
I didn't know that, because it was so surreal to not be even able to exit and go to the supermarket or, you know, those things that we took for granted.
06:11:11.520
And I guess I am lucky, because I met him in the right time, and he accepted me.
06:11:17.920
But, yeah, I understand you guys by saying, hey, to us it's important to know this.
06:11:23.560
Yeah, and that's all we're saying, because a lot of women just overlook it, because women essentially want to remain, they want to uphold their purity, or their sense of sanctity.
06:11:33.780
But I appreciate your, actually, point of view.
06:11:35.320
I wish more people would actually, even online, express this body count need to know, like, in your way.
06:11:43.660
But we also, she just brought up holding a standard, and if women are just going around and sleeping with men,
06:11:49.440
that's literally lowering the bar, where men don't feel a need to court, to pursue.
06:11:56.240
So, us women are literally creating our own demise.
06:12:02.380
She said, when she said, women have lowered the standards, but you can thank the sexual revolution, sexual liberation for that.
06:12:09.700
Because if women believe that they can engage in casual sex, too, you're doing the guy a favor.
06:12:14.540
Because if he sees that he doesn't have to commit to you in order to get it, in your instance, unfortunately, that's what we're going to do.
06:12:22.920
Like, would a man, like, rather me, like, lie about that situation?
06:12:26.400
Or just, like, because, like, that's my past, and that's nothing I can change.
06:12:30.140
But, like, it doesn't reflect on, like, how it would be in a relationship and who I am now.
06:12:35.640
Obviously, I was, like, young and naive, and, like, I just thought the wrong way about life because of, like, honestly, because of my first body.
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I think that's what made me think the way I thought, like, a guy will only love me if I give this up.
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And I'm not saying, like, oh, like, I'm sleeping around, and I'm just being easy.
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But it's just, like, that's what I, that's what people made me thought at such a young age.
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And that caused me to, like, fall into this hole of just, like, you know.
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I was just going to say that the way you're vulnerably sharing.
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It's really hard because before I was very hesitant to share because I was telling Brian, like, I feel like this is going to affect my future relationships.
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Like, people aren't going to value me or try to seek me the way they did before they knew that.
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People are going to treat me differently just because of something I did when I was fucked up in the head and, like, going through it.
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But, like, now that I've, like, learned and grown and gone through the emotions, gone through the waves, it's, like, now I'm a whole new person, a whole different person, and I'm still going to get treated like the person I was five, ten years ago.
06:13:42.780
Yeah, I mean, that's an unfortunate reality of life because not everybody can empathize with what you went through or understand from a perspective to where they can overlook the fact that they may be turned off because that's just a visceral response.
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Like, even if you are a different person and you didn't do what you did in the past, if a guy has a natural visceral response to where, oh, no, I'm turned off by that, it's the same thing as women who get icks from when, you know, men do certain things.
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So it's just dating is not fair, and that's one of the ways in which dating isn't fair.
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So you make mistakes, and sometimes you can't put the toothpaste back in the bottle, and you have to accept the consequences that come with the mistakes that you made, and you can only hope that you'll find somebody who's more accommodating and more understanding of your situation.
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But that's why it goes to when you, as a woman, when you put yourself in a position to where you have diminished your sexual market value, you have diminished your mate value, you have to be more receptive and open to the opportunities that present themselves.
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Like, I work with a lot of female clients, too, so this is how it goes.
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That takes more confidence than what a lot has been going on here, and I think a man, the right man for her, will see this and feel connected to that, because what I understand about feminine and masculinity, a man wants to connect to a woman's heart.
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She is showing her heart here, and I think that's going to bring more of a man that will be okay with this by the way she's showing her heart here.
06:15:33.060
I guess last thing on this, I guess my question for you, so because earlier you're saying, like, oh, there's this judgment and that the past is the past.
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I guess my question, though, is do you have an issue with guys – it's okay.
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Do you have an issue with guys who prefer to date women with a low body count?
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How can I – I mean, if you like yellow, I like black.
06:16:28.480
Q will reveal his if you reveal – if you reveal and you reveal –
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But, I mean, as we decided not to answer this question, you also obviously have the right
06:17:01.580
So, here, we're going to get – we've got to try to blast through all the notes here
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because there's quite a bit, and – is there a chat?
06:17:14.900
Myron Gain from FNF is on Twitter reporting the lady in pink to ice in C2.
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He said you're here illegally, and you dated fresh from their show Run Girl.
06:17:42.640
Klain says, high body count means a perfect side chick.
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It's like what I said I was, and you said that must have been her.
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Drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one.
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If you're watching and you're enjoying the stream, get us to 10,000.
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If you want 100% of your contribution to go towards whatever, it's whatever pod.
06:19:09.900
So, let's move, try to get through all of this as quickly as possible.
06:19:14.900
So, you say, Aaliyah, these are your last few notes here.
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Romance was originally created by poor men in Renaissance time to manipulate woman, your words, to be with them because prior it was about most suitable.
06:19:35.340
Romance was created by poor men to manipulate women.
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Originally, it was who was most suitable, provider, protector, and then that meant that, like, the rest of the men couldn't get women, and then women are emotional creatures, so they learned to romance them and manipulate them to them.
06:20:02.940
You said that men obsessed with younger, why did you put quotes on younger?
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Because it's not necessarily younger, but just, like, the idea of younger.
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There's women and woman, woman plural, women singular.
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Men obsessed with younger women is because they lack the depth to maintain, sustain a woman's unraveling long term because it requires them to do inner perceive, to do inner work, excuse me, mentally evolve.
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So instead they blame the woman and move on to something they perceive would be easier or less able to call them out.
06:20:58.380
So you think men are intimidated by older women because the older women are not going to tolerate their bullshit.
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And I don't know if this is actually the case, or is it just that men just don't want to deal with an older woman's baggage?
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I mean, I think there's many different factors that go like into that, but a man is probably more attractive in part to like a younger woman because she's more willing to put up with much.
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She's not going to have to do like more accountability or take a look at himself, whereas a woman that knows what she wants and is really looking to like have a man be integral and do what he says he's going to do.
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Why do y'all assume men always want to take advantage of younger women?
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I don't think that's necessarily the case like all the time or that it means that, but.
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I think overall, men in general are attracted to younger women in part because mature women require them to take accountability for things.
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You're not going to find a man who's attracted to a younger woman and sexual desire isn't the predominant desire that's there.
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Do you think it has something to do more with desire?
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Because you don't see the majority of men walking around with younger women.
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When we look at studies that show that men are attracted to younger women, they find them physically attractive.
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Subconsciously, it's because they're more like willing to put up with stuff.
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I was definitely way more willing to put up with stuff when I was younger than I am now.
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So you just, you just believe that that's why I'm in like younger women.
06:23:59.400
He says that like men are more attracted to younger women because to stay with a woman
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over time, like it requires you to do consistent work and not just be comfortable and consistently
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Whereas if you go for someone younger, they're less likely to do that.
06:24:38.820
So this guy on Instagram said some shit, so it must be true.
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And it sounded good to me because I'm a woman and it's spiritual and empowering and enlightening
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He fucks the old women too, but like the young girls, he's going, he's just going after
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You should pull them up and read stuff before you speak.
06:25:17.640
Okay, so you think men want younger women because younger women are like easier to manipulate?
06:25:36.380
And there's other reasons, of course, as to why they're attracted to like younger women.
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If you had to steal, do you know what the steel man is?
06:25:45.680
So do you like, do you know what the straw man is?
06:25:48.540
So straw man would be basically like, let's say you're arguing with somebody, debating with somebody.
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And so a straw man would be, you are going to forward like an inaccurate or just a wrong position that they hold.
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Attack their position that you forwarded, which actually isn't their position.
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You're going to present what the other person, their strongest arguments are.
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So if you had to steal man, men wanting to date younger women, what would be like the arguments in favor of that?
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From a male brain that they're younger, hotter and fertile.
06:26:50.160
So I think the big thing, Q, and you talk about this quite a bit, is so there's actually a biological and evolutionary basis for men's attraction to younger women.
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Again, one, this comes down to fertility, and this is just biologically like the reality.
06:27:10.220
And then, well, I was going to go into like paternity uncertainty, but that's more of a body count argument, less than like an age thing.
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That's the obvious, but to also offer a different perspective and deeper perspective, I think that could be it.
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Yeah, but I mean, in practical terms, I've never heard that or actually seen that.
06:27:46.840
Yeah, subconscious means you aren't aware of it.
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So I don't think that's happening on a subconscious level.
06:27:59.440
Couldn't you make sort of like a reversal of this argument of men wanting younger women because they're easier to manipulate?
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Do you agree that younger women are just more desirable by men?
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Not to say that like women who are in their late 20s, 30s, 40s.
06:28:18.640
Yeah, no, I don't think that, but I think from a male brain, yes.
06:28:21.100
But like if in terms of the attention and attraction going from men towards women, I think we would agree that like younger women have the most optionality and they're receiving the most sexual attention, romantic attention from men.
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Because of younger women, so let's say that between the age of 20 to 25, because that age cohort, these women enjoy such an abundance of optionality and have so many choices.
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I think I can make the reverse argument that because of this, because they have so many options, they're harder to manipulate.
06:28:57.800
Whereas a woman who's a bit older, who's like the biological clock is ticking and it's like, I got to have kids.
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I think she's much more susceptible to manipulation from a guy who wants a long-term relationship with her, selling her the dream.
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Whereas you tell a college girl, I want a future with you.
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They don't care about, look, some college girls, don't get me wrong.
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A lot of college girls want a relationship, right?
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Whereas like the woman who's 30, who's still single, who wants to have kids, wants a husband, time is ticking.
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I think she's easier to manipulate than the 19-year-old who all the frat dudes want to fuck, who all the dudes want to fuck, NFL players in their DMs, NBA players in their DMs.
06:29:57.360
Not if she's independent and she's, not if she can afford a certain lifestyle, older woman.
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And she can afford a certain lifestyle she wants.
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I'm not talking about she can live forever and pay for her own shit.
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But women who do want that, if you're 19, you have a long period of time before you like actually, like, you're not really that rushed.
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Like, you gotta, something's gotta happen soon.
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So, I think I can manipulate, not that I, I could manipulate that situation easier, I think.
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Oh, yes, I, oh, I want to have kids with you, I want to get married, boom, boom, boom.
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I can't use that, you think I can manipulate a 19-year-old and be like, I want to have babies with you.
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She's like, I don't fucking care, I want to go party and do college and blah, blah, blah.
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Like, they don't care, I can't manipulate her that way.
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No, I had my, I had my hesitations, but because I want that life, I was going along with it.
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And that's why it was very hurtful, because I was switching into that mode.
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And then he switched it up on me, saying he didn't want any more kids.
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So, it is, there's manipulation happening on both ends.
06:31:34.440
And that's, that's what we're all talking about here, but we all have to hold ourselves accountable.
06:31:44.780
No, I was just, well, I was just going to end it by saying, when you talk about things that happen, it has to work.
06:31:52.980
So, from the biological perspective, the only reason that older men are attracted to younger women is simply because younger women look better, and they're more fertile in their youth.
06:32:02.460
There's no evidence that men want to manipulate younger women.
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So, there's, like, there's no evolutionary advantage for happening there for a man to look at a younger woman and say, ah, I think she's easier to manipulate.
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That's why I'm, I'm correcting you, like, scientifically, that's incorrect.
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So, you can disagree all you want, but there's no evidence for it.
06:32:34.180
All the evidence shows that men like younger women due to the fact that they're more fertile.
06:32:46.160
Do men care about having a woman they can have deep conversations with?
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Like, because we're keeping it on a purely sexual level and having children.
06:32:59.980
But what about, like, the, I want a best friend feeling.
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I want the person that I'm going to go against the world with.
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And that goes with, like, personality types matching up, being able to laugh together.
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There's a whole bunch of other stuff we're not including.
06:33:13.460
Well, I think depth is more about intimacy in the form of conversation and being able
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to relate in terms of the relationship, not necessarily, like, deep conversations where,
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like, I'm not going to have philosophical conversations with a woman in most cases.
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Like, my girlfriend is very intelligent, but we don't really get deep on, like, philosophical
06:33:34.700
We just understand each other, and we're more emotionally attuned.
06:33:38.780
So, in that sense, I guess you could say depth comes in the form of emotional attunement,
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which builds intimacy, which just makes us feel closer, and then when we have experiences
06:33:50.060
together, having shared values, wanting to do the same things, and enjoying those moments.
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I think that's more what we cultivate in terms of depth.
06:33:57.720
But when, like, deep conversations, I mean, what are we really going to talk about?
06:34:11.300
I mean, just because, it's just, like, most of the time, we're just trying to relate to
06:34:16.060
each other about what we like, not necessarily about what we talk about, but, like, just shared
06:34:21.260
experiences, like, doing things together, and, you know, just saying how much we appreciate
06:34:27.660
Like, the depth that we may feel for each other on a basis of love, as opposed to, like,
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external stimuli, like, what's going on in the world, current events.
06:34:35.540
Oh, no, that's just, actually, I love speaking about, like, general things.
06:34:44.180
Even my boyfriend really loves to talk about, like, he loves reading, I love reading.
06:34:51.340
Yeah, I wasn't saying you can't do that, but I'm...
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I guess, final thing on this thing, so you think it's manipulation, but wouldn't you agree
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that, like, manipulation or even abuse can happen in, like, same-age relationships?
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And could you envision a scenario where a same-age relationship could be more abusive
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or more manipulative than, like, age-gap relationship?
06:35:18.860
I don't know if there's actually any evidence that age-gap relationships have more or less
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controllingness or abusiveness or manipulation.
06:35:27.400
I also think that the reality is, like, most 20-year-old girls are just not going to be attracted
06:35:33.100
to, like, the vast majority of 30-year-old men, or...
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So, it's kind of, like, I don't know what kind of...
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Like, it's not a given that a 30-year-old guy can get any single 20-year-old girl.
06:35:45.880
So, like, if you just, if you're incapable of getting, like, the majority of 20-year-old
06:35:52.280
women into relationships, like, how really good can you actually be if you're just blanket
06:35:58.940
unattractive to the majority of this age cohort?
06:36:27.120
This panel, except for five, has the IQ of a potato.
06:37:04.480
I could be so wrong, but was it like a nuclear bomb?
06:37:13.080
That wasn't even the case for World War II, but go ahead.
06:37:26.440
I believe it had something to do with the Russian invasion of some sort of...
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I haven't Googled this, by the way, and I know the answer.
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The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand by the Serbian Gavrilo Princip.
06:38:55.160
I was like, I don't think I actually was ever told that.
06:38:59.740
What was the decade of World War I, starting with you?
06:39:43.600
You're asking the person who fell asleep in history class.
06:41:00.460
Listen, once I got that diploma, it went all out the window.
06:41:02.440
Wait, so you think World War II was in the 70s?
06:41:10.320
I don't even remember what year my parents were born.
06:41:55.540
Intelligent men want to have conversation that are deeper.
06:42:22.600
When it comes to being submissive or agreeable,
06:42:40.180
Yeah, but disagreeing doesn't have to be bitchy.
06:42:47.620
That's like saying I think blue is the best color,
06:42:58.120
and still kind of be cool, you know what I mean?
06:43:01.820
I have friends that we have very different political values,
06:43:12.040
All right, we're going to blast through these notes.
06:43:34.860
I feel like that's very hurtful to even ask me,
06:43:48.600
I went to the doctor, like, more than five times.
06:44:21.580
I was never being aggressive in a relationship.
06:45:31.540
He blocked her and mistakenly texted her, happy Valentine's.
06:45:44.660
I will not let you slander my good friend, Fresh.
06:45:53.640
He mistakenly texted you, happy Valentine's Day.
06:46:01.540
He thought he was texting another baddie Asian Chinese girl.
06:46:07.000
Like, he couldn't see the picture on WhatsApp, right?
06:46:09.460
Like, when you open the chat, you don't see the profile picture.
06:46:15.200
No, he says it happened, but he said it was a...
06:46:30.980
I love that he texted him, because he was afraid of probably this shit was coming out.
06:46:43.120
Yeah, and that's why for the majority of the show, like, I didn't bring it up.
06:46:46.200
I just wanted to touch on it super quick, because there were a couple other questions.
06:46:50.120
Question, though, during the whole pregnancy thing, were you seeing other people?
06:46:55.260
I swear, since I got to Barbados, until he kicked me out of his place, I've never been with any other guy.
06:47:29.560
I can say I can promise and which is where to my life.
06:47:33.520
If she was calling me and telling me how much she was in love with him, that she thought that he was the man of her life, that she was so happy, everything was going well, she moved from China to the States because she thought he was the one.
06:47:47.840
We don't have to explain anything of that, because that's the past.
06:47:55.500
No, I don't want to feel that again, that situation, that I'm never going to put myself in that situation.
06:48:06.620
I'm very thankful because God closed the door for a reason that was never meant to be.
06:48:22.560
Did God open the door to you starting a OnlyFans?
06:48:28.920
And this is the thing I want to do, and I love being taking pictures.
06:49:00.380
Five minutes, and then we'll go back to talking about body count.
06:49:15.840
If a woman has an understanding of substance, worthy of listening, I wish it happened more often.
06:49:36.680
The bomb, the nuclear bomb I was talking about.
06:49:40.240
I mean, there was a nuclear component, but there...
06:49:46.160
It, like, wiped out, like, a whole city, right?
06:49:57.840
Like, I had to stay after school all the time for that.
06:50:04.880
It was the Cold War because it was really cold.
06:50:26.620
Not humans competent enough to start wars with nuclear bombs.
06:50:37.880
It was between the Green Bay Packers and the Detroit Lions.
06:50:48.620
I think it was, like, North Korea and, like, Vietnam.
06:50:58.220
The one thing I remember from history was this, like, nuclear bomb that, like, wiped out
06:51:03.540
a whole city, but, like, even cockroaches surrounding...
06:51:06.280
No, if you keep on saying it, it's eventually going to be right.
06:51:13.020
The Cold War, they didn't use, like, weaponry or, like, guns or something.
06:51:18.460
That's why it's called the Cold War because they didn't use...
06:51:48.560
For the ladies who are on OnlyFans, what would you do if the platform dissolved tomorrow?
06:51:53.600
Would you be able to make enough money to maintain your current lifestyle?
06:52:05.400
What does your intuition say you would be doing?
06:52:08.880
I mean, I made money long before then for a while.
06:52:15.080
You can work at my maple syrup company before I go under.
06:52:47.220
Oh, you strongly believe that your ex did voodoo on you and he was talking to his ex the whole
06:53:04.000
Everything was going great for like a few months.
06:53:09.080
And then I went out to like some dance event that like had like a bar at and I'm just like
06:53:14.980
chilling at the bar and some girl comes up to me and she was like, we're just going to
06:53:30.200
And long story short, we get to chit-chatting and she's saying like, oh, we've been talking
06:53:35.020
and we're still talking, blah, blah, blah, blah.
06:53:43.440
And then he fully convinced me that it's just his crazy ex and she hasn't left him alone
06:53:49.340
forever, which I fully believe, but that obviously was not the case because then I talked to her
06:53:59.340
And I learned a lot more about him and she told me some things about him with proof that
06:54:06.540
he was into voodoo and black magic and he's from Liberia.
06:54:16.620
Bro, beach guy took me to the airport and I never talked to him again.
06:54:22.540
Long story short, so we were on the beach and he was like, what are you ladies doing tonight?
06:54:26.620
And then she was like, well, she's trying to find a ride to the airport.
06:54:28.800
And then he brought me to the airport and then it didn't really go anywhere from that.
06:54:33.660
But yeah, so she told me he was into all kinds of black magic voodoo stuff, showed me
06:54:41.080
And yeah, I like staged, I just staged my whole apartment and just some funky stuff started
06:54:48.340
And I just think once I stopped talking to him, once I, let me know when you're ready.
06:54:59.500
Once I stopped talking to him, I was like booking good jobs and, you know, like going through
06:55:06.880
And then I went back to talking to him again and then boom, life went to crap.
06:55:16.180
Can you like take the black magic away with a K magic with a CK?
06:55:21.960
I would just maybe write down return negative energy to center and like burn it.
06:55:28.540
Wait, you can just write down return negative energy to center?
06:55:35.620
Let me stop by the post office tomorrow morning.
06:55:42.460
You said you almost slept with a guy until you found out the whole time you were at
06:55:46.220
He was on the phone with his girlfriend and you had no idea about it.
06:55:50.160
There's, there's, that's quite an interesting story.
06:55:52.980
Give us the short version if you can just for time.
06:55:54.560
Basically, long story short, you know, I was talking for a while, whatever.
06:56:08.460
And I look over and I look at his phone and it says baby girl with a heart and it's on
06:56:15.860
And that's how I found out he had a girlfriend the whole time.
06:56:22.380
You said last time you were on the podcast, there was another girl who said doing OnlyFans
06:56:26.040
was basically the same thing as being a waitress.
06:56:27.920
You strongly disagree with this for many reasons you feel that was ignorant of her to say.
06:56:33.760
Because as a waitress, like you're physically like running around on your feet.
06:56:38.560
Like when I was a waitress, like I was getting back problems from being on my feet all day
06:56:43.140
and getting food like all over me and being in the heat and running around, getting disrespect
06:56:50.240
Like no matter what I was wearing, I could be wearing a hoodie at, at work and I would
06:56:55.940
We're like, fuck you because you didn't get my meal right.
06:57:00.980
So like I'm over here trying to like make a living, like an honest living and like just,
06:57:09.620
It's, it's hard, especially in America now with whatever, that's a whole other situation.
06:57:13.960
But yeah, I'm, I'm busting my butt over here and like trying to be modest.
06:57:18.880
And it's just, it's just, it's not to say it's like physically draining, mentally draining.
06:57:26.480
Uh, going to, apologies if I mispronounce, Afrata?
06:57:55.640
Is there a difference between the Russian Orthodox and yours?
06:57:59.840
Um, it's just Ethiopian Orthodox is more like culturally focused on like Ethiopian aspects.
06:58:05.800
So Russian Orthodox is more, uh, Russian culture.
06:58:11.600
You said you were almost in a robbery scheme back in Houston when you were junior year of
06:58:16.780
Your guy friend is a scammer, but he only scams scammers.
06:58:24.480
Mind you, this guy he wanted to rob would bring bands of cash to school like 10K just to flex.
06:58:30.740
The plan was to follow the guy on Instagram and DM him saying he was cute and go out somewhere
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Then have your guy friend and his guys pull up on him with guns and rob him.
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And your guy friend wanted me to kind of hide his gun from him and fake crying shit.
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The payout would have been 5,000 to you if you did it, but you can't be doing the legal
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But I know this girl who did it to another guy, which was crazy as fuck.
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He always let you buy food or Starbucks on his credit card.
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You want to give him a shout out in the camera over there?
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I can't say your name, but like shout out to you, W Guy.
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I don't really have crazy dating stories, but your ex is a Marxist slash communist that
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was trying to overthrow the government from the inside by becoming an influential political
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That was the one-year relationship or whatever you were talking about?
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Hunter, some of your most pleasant dates have been with a man who's above the age of 65.
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Well, I met him at Nobu on my birthday, and he was actually there alone celebrating his mom's
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But, yeah, I went on a few dates with him after.
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Doesn't, you know, takes a helicopter to commute from his different offices.
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So, me and my friend were sitting at the bar, and we were having a few drinks, and we were
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talking about an upcoming trip that we had to Palm Springs for her birthday, because her
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And then, he just kind of butted in, and started a conversation about the place that we were
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going to go for her birthday, because he had been there.
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And I kept in touch with him, and never did anything with him, but on my birthday, he sent
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And then I dated another guy who was a little older.
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Did you meet him on, like, one of these sugar sites?
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Wait, really quick, before you tell the story, I gotta let this go.
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Okay, so you've dated a bunch of older guys, though, is what you're saying?
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I've only dated two guys that were above the age of 65, and both experiences were very
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But, wait, you said they sent you, the first guy sent you $500?
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No, but you didn't have sex with either of them, right?
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Dating doesn't mean that you actually have to have sex.
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I mean, but if you don't have a romantic or sexual interest, like, did you have a romantic
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The first guy, I thought he was very sweet and cute, but I didn't have a sexual interest
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So then why would you date a guy you don't have a sexual interest in?
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Because, well, they had very successful businesses, and I could kind of pick their
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I mean, I'm just, we're not, well, you didn't sleep with them, but.
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My brother's also in the aviation industry, and this first guy owns a very big aviation
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company and multiple properties across, you know, the country and the world.
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So I just took the opportunity, you know, hey, I met him casually at the bar and didn't
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know that, you know, he flies helicopters with literally Indiana Jones, the guy, whoever
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And I just thought, I agreed to have dinner with him after work another day.
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I mean, how many, like, dinners, was it just like the one dinner and done, or like.
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Where's like the old women trying to send me money and shit?
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They love, like, you have blue eyes and you're white.
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Like, guys, trust me, in Asia, there are more famous than guys who get paid to go on dates
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And they also allow to go on TV show to talk about their daily lives.
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You said you've been on dates with crazy guys who pick you up in the G-Wagon with an
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open container of alcohol and marijuana sparked up.
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Then he turns on the massage chair in the G-Wagon while we speed to eat sushi.
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Oh, I thought he was going to ask us who played him.
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So, you, the, the G-Wagon crazy guy picks you up in G-Wagon, smoking weed, drinking alcohol,
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His handle was, like, CEO of the Dobbs Auto or something.
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Like, I'm kind of, like, looking behind my shoulder, making sure there's no police.
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Um, and then he wants me to back me, back him up.
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And then I just wasn't there to, like, be rude to a waiter.
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Um, so that was one of the rougher starts to the dating, um, scene.
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But first, I just want to get through a few things in the questionnaire.
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But, uh, so going around the table, what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
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A million a year, but minimum for you to date you is $250,000 a year.
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If I live in New York, I think a million will be...
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What do you think, like, your future husband, how much do you think he's actually going to make, though?
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Oh, yeah, I don't know how much I think he's actually going to make, but I hope somewhere around the $250,000 to $300,000 mark.
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Because it sounded, when you said, like, per minimum, $100,000, there's a bit of disdain in your voice.
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Now I feel like this is going to sound bad, but I am ready to be a wife and mother, so I would like to be retired by a man.
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It's just I would like to take the role of creating a home.
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If I have his children, I wouldn't expect this of a man.
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But what if he's like, you need to keep working?
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Well, it was more so minimum yearly income to be your future husband.
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More than what I would make as an anesthesiologist.
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I hope that his new business will go well, but honestly, I'm really comfortable with him
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He's trying his best, and if he couldn't find any other job, why would we shame somebody
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I would say anywhere over 250 to 300K minimum, just because I have dated doctors, and I'm
07:11:15.360
When you say you dated a doctor, were you in a long-term relationship with him?
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No, I would say I dated him, and I realized I wasn't aligned with his values, and then
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Now all your future guys have to meet the threshold of the salary of a doctor, but the
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I think I just like people who are in the medical field.
07:12:07.760
Well, it doesn't have to be a doctor, but you said minimum yearly income, $250,000 a year.
07:12:14.860
Yeah, I think that's what you need to live comfortable in, like, the area that I live in.
07:12:20.480
Well, I work in Laguna Hills, so I spend the majority of my time there.
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I mean, but this is like, we can look up on Glassdoor, like, how much the average salary
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is for this, because it's like a job that you could see this, like, the average income
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I manage social media for an actress and also a nonprofit, so I have two clients right now.
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I think you guys have a little bit of unreasonable expectations when it comes to men's income.
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$250,000, the OF girl wants $250,000, you want $100,000, or sorry, $1,000, $250,000 over here.
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You guys realize that you are chasing after the apex of men.
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That is my response to you guys with your ridiculous...
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Don't you think maybe some ladies are single is by choice?
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I'm just saying, I feel like you should definitely set a standard.
07:15:10.080
You should definitely set a standard based on your income.
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So, I don't see that why it doesn't make sense.
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And you have to manifest that before you can have it.
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a lot of women, they will just settle down for nothing.
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Yeah, what's your definition of an average woman?
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Is it 10% of men make over $100,000 or something like that?
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You guys are just disregarding like vast amounts of men.
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Let us live in our little delusion if we want to.
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That doesn't mean we don't go out with men that makes less than that.
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I think there's nothing wrong to have an expectation.
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Is it okay for a man who meets y'all income threshold to ask y'all what y'all bring to
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Like, if you meet a millionaire, is it okay for him to ask you what you bring to the table?
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Yeah, but if he's a millionaire, he doesn't spend no coins.
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He could be a millionaire and not get hurt anything.
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You can be a millionaire, but you can be a jerk.
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If you say, I want a millionaire, I'm a millionaire, I come and ask you what you bring to the table.
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Well, I have more experiences than other women.
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If he has business, dinner, he can bring me anywhere.
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I'll be the finest lady, and I think that's also one of the value, and also because I'm
07:18:22.920
also smart, I'm good at investing, I can share my ideas, and also helping each other to grow.
07:18:38.720
Why do you deserve a guy who makes $250,000 a year?
07:18:49.180
If you're asking me what are my good qualities, and what do I like about myself, and what would
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You know, $250,000 a year, only fans, single mom.
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It's like, what is the guy who makes $250,000, does he want to date a single mom who does
07:19:11.720
They've dated plenty of men that make more men.
07:19:16.660
Men care about physical beauty, but there's other factors at play.
07:19:24.800
I mean, there's the one who wants the beauty, and there's the one who wants the brain.
07:19:28.980
If I said that I only wanted to date a girl who makes $10 million, do you think that...
07:19:35.260
Like, you might say, it's okay for you to want that, Brian, but do you think it's likely
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or probable that I'm going to get a girl who makes $10 million?
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But you've got to understand, it's just sheer numbers.
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If there's only a certain amount of people that make that much money, it's just, regardless
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of how cool I am, it's just a matter of, there's just not a lot.
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She kind of doesn't really have a type, so you never know.
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But there's some beautiful woman who had dated some really ugly, questionable,
07:20:35.060
I want to date, I don't know, what's some delusional shit I can say?
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I want to date, I'm not a black man, but I want to date her.
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Technically, I am African-American, by the way, just letting you know.
07:21:02.680
Okay, so technically, technically, I'm African-American, okay?
07:21:10.120
But, you know, don't you think, like, if I'm trying to, you know, you know what I mean?
07:21:22.680
You're saying it's okay to have those wants, but, like, you're saying it's very unrealistic.
07:21:29.100
Because, like, for me, the why I say I want someone who makes as the same or more than me
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is because I know it's very hard to find someone who's going to have a lot more than me.
07:21:43.200
Like, to me, it's just more that a man has drive.
07:21:47.680
See, that's my thing is, like, if a guy has a job and he's working hard for something,
07:22:01.120
Chair one to four, high-value men do not want you.
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Like, I was trying to say, like, if a guy has a crap ton of money, but it's because
07:22:26.580
he inherited it from his parents, I'm going to go more for the guy who has an average
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amount of money and works hard for it than the one who just does nothing all day and
07:22:35.100
sits on the couch all day and just has the money.
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So all hundred of these virgin women have to be cool with me fucking the other virgins.
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You can make out with a flight attendant on your way there.
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And sometimes I'll date Eritrean and Ethiopian.
07:23:18.360
They invented a surgery to make a woman again virgin.
07:23:54.020
The girl who's fucked a bunch of dudes can have a tight pussy.
07:24:33.560
A woman could be a virgin and not have a hymen.
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The hymen could be broken and she could still be a virgin.
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How am I, as the toxic masculinity guy, explaining to a woman, female physiology?
07:25:04.880
How do you say that a woman can lose virginity with a tampon box?
07:25:13.560
I know you want to clutch on to that one thing that I said.
07:25:49.440
Yes, a woman's hymen can be broken and she can still be considered a virgin because the
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presence or absence of a hymen is not a reliable indicator of sexual activity.
07:25:57.940
It can naturally stretch or tear from activities other than intercourse, like using tampons
07:26:02.520
or physical activity, making it an unreliable marker of virginity.
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I make over $400,000 in interest and returns every year.
07:26:16.360
I would probably take these slotes, but no chance in hell would I ever marry any of them.
07:26:35.620
Big Sas, can you shoot me a DM on Instagram or Discord?
07:27:03.980
Okay, I'm going to move it on, but that was really cool.
07:27:15.440
Shout out to Andrew for being a straight shooter.
07:27:16.940
The OF platform destroyed girls' chance to have a family from New York City.
07:27:20.860
Average New Yorker would love to be on the podcast.
07:27:23.320
TheChamp, thank you so much for the Streamlabs message, man.
07:27:33.740
How tall are you, and what's the, how tall are you, and what's the, I guess, minimum height
07:27:43.000
I'm 5'1", and I would date someone that's six foot.
07:28:13.040
I said 5'9", because I also have been with someone shorter than me, and it's a little
07:28:29.040
I'm 170, and my boyfriend is 172, but I don't care about height.
07:28:36.640
I am 4'11", and I really don't care about height.
07:28:44.400
But I have dated a guy who was, like, a few inches tall.
07:28:48.240
Like, I couldn't even wear heels around this guy.
07:28:51.580
I mean, he was a gorgeous little Armenian guy, looked like Rob Kardashian when he was in
07:28:56.180
The short ones are always the prettiest, I swear.
07:29:00.060
I feel like, for me, the tallest ones were always the most awkward ones to, like...
07:29:05.380
Yeah, because it's like, I'm, like, trying to go like this to kiss you, and it's just,
07:29:10.260
Like, the proportion is just, like, it's too much.
07:29:13.420
Like, I like a good, like, 5'7", 5'9", maybe 6 foot.
07:29:18.860
No, like, I just want it to be, like, the proportion.
07:29:31.300
We're going to do the calculator for Hunter and Aaliyah.
07:30:50.440
Yeah, he might be 47 years old, the one out there.
07:31:00.400
I think this delusional calculator should also, like, calculate the female side of it.
07:31:09.640
Well, what you would honestly, if you did this, what you would...
07:31:12.400
Certainly, there's delusional men out there who think that they can get better than what
07:31:16.840
they, you know, could actually realistically get.
07:31:23.040
They're like, okay, give me, like, a pleasant six with a body count that's not too high.
07:31:31.800
Why does it have to matter what her body count is?
07:31:36.280
Why does it have to matter what her body count is?
07:31:55.760
Would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest?
07:32:10.820
Would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest?
07:32:15.660
If you go to a forest, would you prefer to meet a man or to encounter a bear, the animal?
07:32:25.880
Because I don't want to be judged by my accent.
07:32:50.120
Wait, if there is a cub, there is an angry mama.
07:33:31.380
I mean, you can still push the man to run away.
07:33:51.160
I'm just like answering in different ways to bring more thought to it, but...
07:34:01.460
I'd choose a bear, and I'd become friends with it.
07:34:10.500
Yeah, I would choose a bear, and I would become best friends.
07:34:16.640
I wouldn't like to be fooled, so I would choose a man.
07:34:23.180
Well, even though my name's Hunter, and if I did encounter a bear, I could hunt it real
07:34:28.040
nice, I think I would do a man, or I would choose a man, just because I've always fantasized
07:34:37.500
about meeting a man while I'm watching the sunset in the middle of nature.
07:34:41.540
I'm like, wow, if I just met, like, the perfect guy while the sun is setting...
07:34:55.420
Plus, if he's hiking, he's healthy, he likes nature, you have...
07:35:05.320
Whoever picked bear, you are sexist, and you hate men, but I'm not going to debate you
07:35:11.880
Have you ever had a sugar daddy and or sold picks?
07:35:20.580
I don't know if you would consider it a sugar daddy.
07:35:36.920
But I've never, like, sold picks or, like, done anything with him, so I don't know if you...
07:36:01.440
Okay, I used to be, like, a Kendrick D-Rider, but, like, I love Drake now, so...
07:36:16.100
I can more or less explain you, and then you can judge, because for me, it was a relationship.
07:36:20.400
I was a student, I was also working as an English teacher.
07:36:26.900
One, maybe, like, a weekend off, it was like, hey, on WeChat, it was sending money, because
07:36:35.560
That's having a sugar daddy, just because your boyfriend is like, Brian, where are you going?
07:36:48.120
So, if you give money to your boyfriend, that's also your sugar baby?
07:36:56.060
If he keeps sending you money, and you accept it, yes.
07:37:00.660
Like, this guy used to sell me money all the time, and then, like...
07:37:09.600
Like, if he's not asking for anything, why would you want no?
07:37:11.200
Exactly, he just randomly sent it to me, and no, I don't know if it was, like, a sugar daddy.
07:37:17.740
Like, it was my phone, she gifted to me, but I didn't ask.
07:37:20.460
That was, like, I think, like, a relationship, but...
07:37:25.860
That's a lot of judging when somebody's giving you money, because sometimes I also give money
07:37:30.620
I don't see the tag of being, oh, that's a sugar baby, or that's a sugar daddy.
07:37:38.900
Um, I've never sold pictures, uh, sugar daddy, I have a few guys I could call that will help
07:37:50.640
Um, I guess you could say yes, I, yeah, I'm not in a relationship with them, also, I don't
07:38:06.160
If some random girl just started sending you money because she thought you were cute, would
07:38:11.760
Mm-mm, it's already, it's already tried to happen several times.
07:38:16.800
Mm-mm, I've had older women, I've had older women...
07:38:19.320
What are you gonna do if they, what are they, what are you gonna do if they zelle it to
07:38:25.280
I would have to get, I would have to give them my information.
07:38:34.360
Somebody wants to send you a million dollar and you turn it down.
07:38:37.020
She gotta be bad, because I would want to fuck.
07:38:39.420
What if she's hot and send you a million dollars?
07:38:54.440
Listen, I got a girl, that's my baby now, you know.
07:39:27.760
This girl over here wants to do some race play shit or something.
07:40:05.680
You don't want to go home and have a fight waiting at home.
07:40:41.040
Do women have equal rights to men in the United States?
07:41:05.860
Aaliyah, you say women don't have equal rights in the United States.
07:41:16.700
Who else here believes that there's a gender pay gap?
07:41:30.660
On one hand, you think men's societal role, and on the macro level, you want men to be providers.
07:41:39.640
You want men to make all this money, to pay for first dates.
07:41:45.980
When you do meet your guy, do you want to stay at home and not have to work if you meet a high-value guy?
07:41:57.540
Wait, do I want to stay home, or do I want him to stay home?
07:42:06.380
And do you think other women think the same way you do?
07:42:12.040
Okay, who here at the table wants, if you can find a guy who earns enough, you just stay at home, he makes the money, you take care of the kids.
07:42:22.760
Okay, do you think that there's an equal proportion of men that want that?
07:42:27.020
So, they want the woman to make all the money, they're like stay-at-home dads.
07:42:37.540
There might be some men, but they still don't want it.
07:42:39.660
Um, so, do you think a man will be successful when it comes to dating if his position is women pay for the first date, they pay for all the dates, they do all the providing, and then when we have kids, I'm going to stay at home, she continues work.
07:42:53.760
Like, do you think he's going to be successful when it comes to, like, dating, finding a wife, etc.?
07:42:59.320
Okay, so, how can you simultaneously be against a supposed gender pay gap, but expect men to be providers, and go out and make the money, and you get to stay at home?
07:43:10.520
I'm not against the pay gap, you just said, is there equal rights?
07:43:17.500
I think there should be an opportunity for it to be equal.
07:43:26.160
But the gender pay gap, if you control for all these different variables, so if you control for stuff like hours worked, location, geography, or, well, geography is, I guess, the same thing.
07:43:37.840
But when I say geography, when I say location, I mean, like, if you're in a major city, and when I say geography, I mean, like, you're living in, like, a shitty, that's kind of the same, whatever, shitty area.
07:43:49.480
The types of fields that men choose to go into, the types of fields that women choose to go into, the likelihood of workplace injury, workplace death, if you factor in all these things, men are going to take on more dangerous positions.
07:44:00.580
They're going to work the dirty, dangerous jobs, and because of the social pressure that all of you have exemplified tonight when it comes to your mating preferences in men, if women exert a mating pressure on men to make money, pay for first dates, be providers, and enable you guys to stay at home while they go on and work, this would explain, for example, that men are just more motivated to make money.
07:44:23.660
Maybe they're more motivated to be successful, because, not because of some evil patriarchy that's trying to hold women down, but because of social pressure that women exert on men that men don't exert in return.
07:44:38.820
Yeah, there's also comparison of girls in the exact same position and, like, work and, like, getting less.
07:44:44.860
Yeah, when you control for all the factors and you look at exact same positions and exact same hours worked in the same geographic location at similar or the same company, it shrinks.
07:45:23.960
I don't think it has anything to do with equal rights.
07:45:29.140
As a man, we have to default to the only role that's available to us.
07:45:39.900
I think it makes it a little bit harder for you to find a guy.
07:45:41.800
But I mean, today's social views are totally changing.
07:45:49.100
I think it makes it a little harder for you in a couple different ways.
07:45:51.340
Or you can also, if you want, find a guy who's wealthy and then be the stay-at-home mom for him.
07:45:57.060
Men don't have that double option that women have.
07:46:01.320
I think not having to work your entire life and just having a guy go out and kill it and you get to stay at home.
07:46:08.520
Also, the system's designed off of their hormonal cycles.
07:46:12.400
A guy's hormones will reset every 24 hours, which is why the 9 to 5 suits them.
07:46:17.560
Whereas for a woman, it resets every 28 days, which is why we bleed.
07:46:22.820
Do you think school is more better designed towards men or women?
07:46:37.880
It's not like performative, like working, going out and performing tasks or hard labor.
07:47:10.040
I would argue female waitresses earn more than male waiters.
07:47:14.920
So this would be evidence of a gender pay gap in the reverse.
07:47:21.280
So I haven't done research, so I'm not going to argue there.
07:47:25.620
Do you think male OF creators make as much as female OF creators?
07:47:32.300
Should the female OF creators pay into a fund to balance out...
07:47:36.200
I never said that anyone should pay into a fund.
07:47:40.040
I know there's some male OF creators that make...
07:47:42.640
Besides the gender pay gap, is there anything, when it comes to equal rights in the USA, is
07:47:48.200
I think the whole system being designed off of a man's, like, biology.
07:48:03.640
So how would the system be designed to operate off of female biology?
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Like, when you get your periods, you just don't work?
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Because you're supposed to be laying down, like, for most of your period.
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You're supposed to lay down for most of your period?
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I think you're making, like, a great argument for why there...
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Even if there was a gender wage gap, why it would exist.
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Like, okay, women are just, like, taking off more sick days and shit.
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Well, I don't think it should be equal, but is it equal?
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Like, they don't get compensated for having a child.
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Like, in some places, they actually pay women to stay home with, like, their babies.
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I guess I'm just confused because this idea that, like, society is built for the comfort
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of men, but, like, how could that ever be the case when the majority of people in prison
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are men, the majority of people who are killed by police are men, the majority of people who
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self-delete are men, the majority of people who are addicted to either alcohol or some sort
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Men, the majority of people who don't graduate from high school or college, men, the majority
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of women, there's a majority of women who go to college, who get degrees.
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I'm trying to think if there's another big one.
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It seems like society is a little better suited to, like, adapting to and catering towards women.
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But society, like, what you're saying is, like, men are in jail, men are doing drugs,
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men are homeless, but, like, what does that have to do with, I'm just confused.
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So, if we're looking at negative life outcomes.
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Wait, so just to be clear, if a man experiences a negative life outcome, that's because of
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But when women, hold on, when women encounter negative life outcomes, it's because of the
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evil patriarchy and this conspiracy theory where you've basically determined that all
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No, but you're mentioning things that are choices, like being addicted to drugs is a choice.
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I mean, doing drugs in the first place is a choice.
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Would you say that, the same thing about, like, the, perhaps, like, what about black men
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who, would you say black men are, like, over-policed or over-incarcerated?
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If you make that argument about men, you have to be prepared to make that same argument when
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No, I'm just saying, like, if you're doing drugs, that's your choice.
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If you're committing a crime enough to get arrested and stay in jail, that's a choice.
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Yeah, but, so, what societal pressures impact men to be more inclined towards criminality?
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So, my position would be that one component, there's a much greater burden on men to make
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money, and that's why they're more likely to turn to criminality, because there's...
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But there's so many different crimes that don't really justify that.
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I mean, most crime typically, typically does involve some component of, like, a man's
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There's plenty of men who have a shit ton of money and still commit crimes.
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So, the reason why they're not in jail, though, is because they have the money to pay it out.
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Who's more likely to be a drug dealer, a man or a woman?
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I mean, if there's a fact or some type of evidence that shows that there's more men
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in the world that sell drugs than women, then go ahead, show me that.
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I mean, we could look up, like, crime statistics and see, like, the majority...
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Yeah, the majority of men who are prosecuted and in prison for drug-related offenses, it's
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What if, like, their moms had supportive, healthy pregnancies and were able to stay
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home and were emotionally safe and put into healthy environments, would they still have
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Most of the men who find themselves on the wrong side of the law, who find themselves in
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jail or prison or in the criminal justice system, they're overwhelmingly raised in single
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Because she's in her masculine, overworked, and not having a healthy environment, and
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probably didn't have a healthy relationship with the father.
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Well, yeah, it's one, it's the lack of a father in that dynamic, but, like, even in
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Like, there's 100% female influence, and there's no father at all, the likelihood of
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being involved in the criminal justice system skyrockets.
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Well, I'm not saying for a woman to do it alone or that woman or better.
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I'm saying when a female is taken care of, there's healthier environments.
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And I personally think that when there is a healthy man, that's when it's the safest.
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I think a lot of it can all be traced down to how well women are taken care of.
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I guess, I guess going back to my original point here, this idea that society is, it's
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It's just totally, I reject the premise, it's totally ridiculous.
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Here's the thing, is that you guys are so ungrateful for the comforts of modernity, I don't
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Life, and this is for both men and women, in the entirety of human history, there has been
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no point in which women have more rights, more freedoms, more benefits, more privileges,
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You can't look at any other point in human history.
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If you're a Western woman who lives in the United States, you enjoy, again, the most rights,
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the most benefits, the most privileges, the most freedom, and the most comfort of any woman
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who has ever existed, doesn't matter the country, in the entire history of humanity.
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And you guys are so ungrateful, and you want to paint men as these evil, the patriarchy,
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oh, men are oppressing women, blah, blah, blah.
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Go back 200 years, look at how men and women were living.
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I don't think men are wrong, but also celebrating rights, like, that should also be, like, bare
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Just because it was, like, wrong back then, and, like, it's getting better now, doesn't
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Sure, I mean, I agree that things can always improve, but I think, like, a little gratitude
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in terms of, like, I sometimes drive down the road, and I just think, okay, how would,
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The electricity, the lights that enable us to see at night, how does that even work?
07:55:54.480
Like, airplanes, so you guys can go fucking party in Dubai or whatever bullshit.
07:55:58.540
How does, how do you fly a metal can in the sky, 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 feet?
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How, and it's like, all those questions were figured out by the intellect, the ingenuity,
07:56:14.820
All the comforts that you enjoy that make life super fucking comfortable and easy, where,
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Women were busy taking their families and stuff like that.
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Men had more opportunities to, to have the access for that.
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When all that stuff was created, men had way more time, opportunity.
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Okay, there's certain realities, though, like, historically speaking, before the birth
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control pill, like, there are just certain, like, societal expectations.
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Like, okay, does it make sense when the maternal, what's the specific term?
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Like, if there's a risk of a woman dying in pregnancy, as your family, if you can only
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send one kid to college, say you have two sons, two daughters, you can send one kid to
07:57:02.740
Does it make sense to educate the woman who could die in childbirth and waste that investment
07:57:10.120
We've been able to overcome some of the risks of childbirth when it comes to advancements
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But the reality is, if you're going to make a choice and send, and by the way, the majority,
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whether you're a man or a woman, 200, 300 years ago, nobody was getting college education.
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Like, I mean, or you were from some royal family or rich, so in that way, yeah, you
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could access to studies, which mainly was in Latin, because that's how it was.
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And I believe that right now, both women and men are not living that greatly.
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Like, society, I believe, kind of failed us, all of us.
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So, I mean, you guys are quite put under real pressure, and I see that.
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We're going to do a roast session, and then we're going to wrap the show.
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All right, guys, we're going to do a, it's going to be a $30.
07:58:39.220
Here, I'm going to just let these come in as TTS here in just a sec.
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We're going to do a brief roast session, then we're going to get this wrapped up.
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I am stuck in random cities, but you are gorgeous and trad.
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We're going to do a roast session brief, and then we're going to get this wrapped up because
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I have a few more show notes, but I'll do that during the roast session.
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What were some of the questions I was going to ask you?
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You should have asked me this earlier because I'm getting tired and hungry.
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I should have done asked that girl a little bit earlier.
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When the amount of D they have had, when stacked one on top of the other, is taller than you,
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I will give a $2 bill to whoever answers the body count question who didn't.
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On the rating thing, I want you guys to rate me my looks on a scale of 1 to 10.
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Also, I've been like, you know, arguing with you guys all night, so I feel like that's
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You do have pretty eyes, but you're not my type, so I'll give you a five.
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Whoever is wearing makeup, you have to remove it.
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This one's all skin types if you want to do this one.
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I'm going to let the TTS come in in just a sec, guys.
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And then when you're done, I'm going to have you guys fold it up to the camera.
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Ryan, you're making my life easier when I get home.
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Like, I'm going to get home, I already have my makeup on.
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Share one and two out here views of as nothing is wrong with it and trying to normalize it
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Happy early Mother's Day days are you murderer.
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Hyperdome is the cancer that will kill our society.
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But I just feel like no matter what, no woman on this podcast can win.
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Y'all need to go to the Midwest and get roasted by boys.
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Daisy, I knocked you up briefly, but you fucked me up permanently.
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Even let you continue and film with other ninjas as long as you were with me.
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Weigh over everyone on your panel, except chair five.
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I only date women with large labia, though, so I don't know.
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I wish girls just, like, would be on dating apps would just be like, by the way, I have
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When I was on the dating apps, I'm not on the dating apps anymore.
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But I thought you didn't use the dating apps for dating.
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As far as the women saying body count doesn't matter and shouldn't matter because it's the
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past, if a guy had a long history of DV, would you not judge him based on that?
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Yeah, that's a far-fetched example, I would say.
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You know what I think, though, is like when it comes to the past, right, couldn't you
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make this argument about something more, and chat, tell me what you think about this argument
08:07:55.280
when it comes to like the past, the objections to the past shouldn't matter, and you can use
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really extreme examples like criminality, like the man's a PDF file, or like the man is
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a cheater, or the man, the cheating one's okay, I think, or the man, they'll still object
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to the cheating one, but, or the man is like, did domestic violence.
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But you as women, if you will only date a guy who makes a certain amount of money, actions
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taken in that man's past has led him to a position he's in now that makes him ineligible
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Maybe he didn't hustle in terms of his career when he was younger.
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Why are you holding his lack of career, past career ambition or achievement on him?
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Like, all the actions leading up to this moment, I don't know if that's a good argument, chat,
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Do you remember how I answered the question earlier?
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No, I was looking at you just because you're...
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But I do wonder if that is a good argument in terms of...
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The actions a man took in his past currently make him unattractive in terms of his financial standing.
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You don't think women with the player status...
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Like, if I hurt a guy with a player, I don't want to mess with him.
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I have given guys a shot that I heard we're fully players.
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My mom kept me in church and I had very strong male figures.
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Without those male influences, who knows where I would be today.
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Austrians' trumpet slayer donated thirty dollars.
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This panel is the reason men should get a vasectomy.
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Share underscore one underscore simp donated thirty dollars.
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We can have dinner on my boat and relax by my pool.
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Crawl thirty five underscore he donated thirty dollars.
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Good luck finding the man you want while creeping up on thirty.
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A narcissistic, delusional, masculine, used up single mom with an oven god complex, but
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Shares one and two are delusional three hundred and fours.
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Share five, if only you were five years younger.
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Share six is not interactive enough to form an opinion.
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Daisy's child donated twenty nine dollars and ninety nine cents.
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Daisy's aborted fetus wanted us to wish you an early happy Mother's Day.
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Most of you have a chance to meet Teal on when he gets to Mars.
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Khmer five hundred and ninety four donated thirty dollars.
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Brian, you need to gather some crystals before bringing on these three hundred and fours.
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These nuts in your mouth donated thirty dollars.
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Chair one is worried that she will lose subscribers if she takes her makeup off.
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Also, what motel did she steal that bathrobe from?
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I'm going to find an Instagram post with her crystal.
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Andrew Wilson wants to talk to you about the crystal thing.
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Here, Damien, I'm going to send it to you in the private.
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I might have to look at it first because it's not a photo.
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If only I had a father to teach me because now I'm all torn up and no good.
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It's Streamlabs only for the TTS, but thank you for the super chat, man.
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I just, I think it's funny because a lot of people, because of my body count, think that
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I don't have a father figure, and actually my dad's my best friend, so I don't think
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No, it's always just been like passionate, and I've always just like, I've had genuine
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Uh, okay, Hunter, recently you went on a date with a man who demands you pay half the bill
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in exchange he would buy you dessert from an ice cream shop next door.
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Oh, okay, so he was a science teacher at a school that I was volunteering at, and he
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was actually a very conservative, masculine, toxic masculinity man.
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And we went to get, um, eat shabu, shabu, and at the end of the date, he said, um, he asked
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me to pick up half of the bill, and I said, okay, I'll just like zell you later.
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And then he was just like, no, like, don't you have like a card?
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And he was a little older than me, and I felt a little intimidated, so I put my card
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I'm not a sweet tooth person, so I didn't even want the dessert.
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We want what is best for society and for future children.
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You hit the dating scene fresh when you were 23 years old.
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You dated every race, every ethnicity, every culture, Koreans, Armenians, Latinos, Sri Lankans,
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And my takeaway from all this is you enjoy dating the good, the bad,
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Also helps me to understand your worth, whether the guy takes you to Buffalo Wild Wings
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or takes you to Pelican Hill in Newport Coast or Nobu also, I guess, for, like, the older dudes.
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If I go on a date with someone and I don't feel like they are someone that I see myself long-term with,
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And if, you know, I want to have a casual date with somebody, I'm okay with that, too.
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Those should only be another five or so, ten minutes.
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You Lorax-looking butterfly can't get a man above five foot three.
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Brian, I knight you as the best knight of Santa Barbara.
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Imagine making $250,000 plus a year and marrying a single mom of Cornstar who believes in tarot.
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You have to be the most ugly, desperate high earner on the planet.
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Panelists, if you find salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ, you can be saved.
08:19:45.640
Going to you, Lindsay, you said young women automatically are more...
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You disagree that young women automatically are more fertile, desirable.
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Fertility is dependent on how both people take care of their body.
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But, I mean, would you agree that as a woman does age, her fertility decreases over time?
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Yes, but I do think as time's going on, a woman's body is being fertile longer.
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I know I'm saying this as an older woman who still wants to have children, but I did learn
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a lot of younger women don't know how to take care of their cycles.
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So, this whole mentality of just because they're young means that they're fertile is what I'm
08:20:32.940
But, I mean, at some age, you do recognize, like, there's menopause.
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I think Cameron Diaz was 49 or something, though.
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Can women, I'm sure there's maybe been, like, a, like, some, like, a woman in her 50s
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But I think that they do, like, IVF or they do, like, I don't know.
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You also said, I think we, you said, you have successfully created a woman-hating channel.
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I had a whole idea of what I was going to speak to with women.
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What ended up happening was I got roasted by the audience for looking older.
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And, yeah, it made me feel like I hated how I looked.
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You also wrote, you have the power to create a change in how the world is with your platform.
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You're wrong about women over 35 being geriatric.
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And, it's more important how a woman takes care of her body than how young she is.
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But, isn't this just a term, like a, like geriatric pregnancy?
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You allow people to promote their hate with buying a spot to have their comment be seen.
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And, you laugh it off versus holding them accountable like a true uppercase masculine.
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I wouldn't be surprised if women are spiraling with their mental health after being on your show.
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Anybody going to see a therapist after tonight?
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Didn't Fitness Nala change, though, after this one?
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Seriously, there was so much hate on that episode.
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I'm going to let the last few things come through, then we're going to get this wrapped.
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Final call, guys, if you want to get this in, because we're wrapping.
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Also 95 bodies is about 40 feet of de-assuming they were all average L-O-L.
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Clayton, appreciate all your patronage tonight, man.
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We love women so much that we hate to see women suffer.
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That's why we should work to end women's suffrage.
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We need to end the suffering, the suffraging of women.
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You won't gift me a crystal after I was so nice to you tonight?
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I'd like to end the show by seeing if we can't use this moment as an opportunity to give you and you a call to action.
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Would you consider stopping sex work entirely tonight on the Whatever Podcast right now?
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Why would I give up myself for being the best version of myself for somebody else?
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Even if there's a man who came into my life, if he's okay of what I'm doing, then that's fine.
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You could have been anywhere in the world, but you were here with me.
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Big thank you to everyone who has super chatted, donates, supports the show.
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Guys, we cannot do the show without your patronage.
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Half of the live streams, most of the live streams end up demonetized.
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I'm like tired, but I'm blown away by all your guys' support.
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Or even, hey, even if you just watch the show, it helps us out.
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We will be live again Tuesday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
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Any girls who want to be on the show, you can DM at whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
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Drop us a prime sub before I send you guys over.
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I don't know if he's in Amsterdam or if he's in...
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Let me just make sure there are no chats that just came through.