Whatever Podcast - Andrew Wilson HEATED DEBATE With Female Dating Coach？! E-GIRLS! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

00:00:00.000 welcome to the whatever dating talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern

00:00:14.820 dating hellscape i'm your host brian atlas thanks for tuning in tonight you could have been anywhere

00:00:19.700 in the world but you're here with me i appreciate that we're coming to you live from santa barbara

00:00:23.680 california every sunday and tuesday at 5 p.m pacific a few quick announcements this podcast

00:00:30.620 is viewer supported heavy youtube demonetization so please consider donating through stream labs

00:00:36.260 instead of super chatting as youtube takes a brutal 30 cut so if you super chat 100 youtube

00:00:42.460 takes 30 if you donate 100 stream labs only takes three stream labs.com slash whatever and you can

00:00:47.540 pull it up nick uh link is in the description we do prioritize messages that are made via stream labs

00:00:55.180 oh my god okay we're uh already getting uh dropping frames sorry guys we're getting lag

00:01:03.920 um it looks like it's about to get fixed

00:01:07.700 well better early on then i don't know what what's going on with the internet situation okay guys we're

00:01:15.860 we're back sorry about that uh here let me close that out okay ten dollars and up will be displayed

00:01:22.480 two hundred dollars and up will be read slash answered or excuse me one hundred dollars and up

00:01:26.360 will be read slash answered two hundred dollars and up will trigger tts tts is via stream labs only for

00:01:32.600 for the first 30 minutes of the show we are going to be doing a 69 dollar tts if your chatter tts is

00:01:38.740 too toxic we reserve the right to skip it please see the description for all triggers in full details

00:01:43.860 we do have mutant microphone champagne pop kick buying kiki etc etc we have channel memberships

00:01:51.680 to become a member hit the join button tier one is just five dollars a month we're also live on twitch

00:01:59.220 right now pull up another tab go to twitch.tv slash whatever drops follow and the prime sub

00:02:03.760 if you have one if you have amazon prime you can link it to your twitch so it's a quick for easy way to

00:02:08.840 support the show every single month by the way guys i think it's bugged it's been allowed 11 hours

00:02:13.640 since we've got a prime i think something's bugged boys so if you can you know test it out see if a

00:02:19.120 prime can come through we're going to be doing we're planning on doing assuming there's no technical

00:02:24.140 issues a irl stream july 4th maddie will be there i'll be there so check that out we got merch and that

00:02:32.700 should be that i'm pretty sure it'll be a twitch exclusive merch shop.whatever.com i'm wearing our

00:02:38.200 whatever hoodie if you like it get yourself one follow us on instagram at whatever any girls who want to be

00:02:43.200 on the show dm at whatever on instagram if you can make it to santa barbara follow me on instagram

00:02:47.980 bd underscore atlas check out my non-profit movement big labia matter or blm for short

00:02:53.100 it's really the pressing issue of our time you know fighting the good fight anyways if you can't

00:03:00.720 catch the full shows got some clips channels link for those are in the description and there's three of

00:03:07.180 those we have a private patreon members only discord discord.gg slash whatever oops scuffed well done

00:03:13.700 and uh okay gonna have to okay uh yeah there it is we post bts on there nick got beat up

00:03:23.720 by girl on the stream a couple weeks ago so that's on there um let's see what else oh last thing we had

00:03:32.800 some haters review bomb us on apple music and spotify so uh if you guys can you know drop us a

00:03:43.420 five star review drop us a little written review too and uh that's for apple music and then we're also

00:03:51.540 on spotify if you can just drop us a five star review over there on uh spotify we got review

00:03:57.880 bombed by haters you know so you know uh oh link all links at the very bottom of the description

00:04:03.140 on the video on youtube disclaimer the views expressed by the guests do not necessarily reflect

00:04:08.760 the views of the whatever channel so with that said without further ado we're going to have the

00:04:13.700 guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location and occupation go ahead uh hi i'm

00:04:20.140 adeline i am an only fans model model streamer media personality i'm 26 and i live in la all right

00:04:30.520 welcome back what about you hi my name is sammy joe i am from san diego i am 28 and i am an ifb bikini

00:04:40.980 pro online health and fitness coach streamer and content creator and you have a competition coming up

00:04:46.900 here pretty soon right in like two and a half weeks yeah exciting exciting you brought some

00:04:52.940 protein with you i literally brought a container of chicken and a rice cake with peanut butter on it

00:04:59.160 how often are you how often do you eat like every two to three hours okay can we get a double buy we can

00:05:04.960 let's see a double buy scuffed oh hell yeah walk myron okay cool cool you have to um dehydrate for

00:05:11.920 those shows no i actually am extremely against that water is like 80 of our bodies so you need

00:05:18.620 water to live and to fill your muscles out so i drink a gallon to a gallon and a half of water a day

00:05:25.680 and then i drink that leading up into my show as well wait the day the day of the show day of is just

00:05:31.620 sips of water um but i don't cut or deplete water at all okay what is your uh your go-to pose

00:05:40.480 well i have a full routine on stage that i have to do mandatory poses are front pose and back pose

00:05:46.720 it's not like guys where they have like front double buy and things like that so we have

00:05:51.500 like a full pros have like 60 seconds on stage so it's a okay routine can we get the most muscular

00:06:00.320 is that what's it called that's men most muscular you want to do it though i mean i guess i could

00:06:05.920 okay let's see if you just like want me to flex for you is that isn't it like the most muscular

00:06:11.160 for guys is like when they lean forward and crunch their abs and okay it's not the same

00:06:18.080 aesthetic girls don't do it no what's like the go-to girl pose i mean it's our front like our front

00:06:22.920 pose okay it's typically when you're like to the side like to the side torso twisted shoulders

00:06:29.540 i can that's kind of like in our glute pop okay boom show tricep but yeah good times good times

00:06:36.980 well good luck on the competition thank you what about you i'm ayana um i'm 22 and from santa barbara

00:06:44.200 and i'm a singer all right we're gonna oh uh are you in school not anymore but i was at sbcc i was

00:06:52.380 also a tutor for english did you drop out or did you get you got your uh what's it called

00:06:57.440 associates did i drop out i've just taken a semester off that's a job wait how long have you

00:07:05.380 been out of uh just since the end of the last semester so just like a month ago basically yeah

00:07:11.520 okay and you're a singer right yeah can we get the what's that song you sang last time

00:07:15.640 it was at last my love has come along all right there you go got some talent here tonight okay

00:07:29.040 and what kind of music do you do is it uh i sing yeah r&b jazz any rap neo so i'm not a rapper

00:07:36.080 no freestyles everybody's just go whoa because no i'm not a rapper i also have been known to

00:07:43.100 belt out some custom tunes for the whatever podcast from time to time just so you know so

00:07:48.060 you don't have the market cornered here maybe you guys can link up start the end or something

00:07:55.360 all right what about you hi i'm elsa i'm 32 i'm from austin texas and i am a dating coach for men

00:08:04.800 all right how long have you been uh doing that for seven and a half years okay seven and a half

00:08:12.300 years and you only men or do you sometimes only men what if like what like lesbian women did does

00:08:18.940 that no i have worked with them in the past when i first started but now it's strictly men the only

00:08:24.600 way i work with women is i pair them with men so matchmaking but that's kind of it's more for

00:08:30.240 feedback feedback yeah okay all right how many clients have you had at this point it's somewhere

00:08:37.140 probably in the 600 700 range yeah okay cool cool did you go to university at all not for that i did

00:08:44.480 yeah i have a bachelor's degree in marketing and psychology all right cool what about you i'm morgan

00:08:50.960 i'm 18 i'm from the bay area and i currently go to santa barbara city college all right uh first year

00:08:57.700 second year first year first year okay and what are you studying political science political science okay

00:09:03.860 do you know what you kind of want to eventually do with that uh yeah i want to go to law school

00:09:08.760 be a lawyer yeah okay very cool do you know uh what kind of law you might want to uh real estate law

00:09:14.440 real estate okay yeah cool cool and from the bay is that are there different areas of the bay like is

00:09:22.220 uh oakland is that part of the bay yeah i i would say yeah are you from oakland no i'm from the east

00:09:27.340 bay like is it insulting is that if you're from the bay is it insulting to ask if you're from oakland

00:09:33.080 no nick you're from oakland she sounded offended okay all right well okay what about you hi i am

00:09:41.760 andrea i am from los angeles california i'm 23 years old and um i'm a model i'm an actress i'm a fashion

00:09:49.980 stylist i just i do anything artsy i do music um yeah that's pretty much it okay uh school and all

00:09:58.100 uh yes i um i'm starting at the academy of dramatic arts in los angeles have you done any previous

00:10:05.960 higher education um like a city college or yeah i've done pasadena city college i've done um arizona

00:10:13.320 state university um i used to study psychology and business all right what about you um hello everyone

00:10:20.820 my name is jacelle i'm 23 i am studying to get my bachelor's in degree oh sorry in business and um

00:10:29.140 manage beaten cheeks donated 69 dollars wow what kind of losers seek a single 32 year old woman as a

00:10:38.340 dating coach what an l andrew be easy on sam she will put you in an arm bar shave your arms

00:10:45.080 you do jiu-jitsu no but cheeks and i are besties now okay there you go that's so funny i thought

00:10:51.540 with a rock this big they could see that i was actually not single i'm engaged is it a qc what

00:10:58.420 does that mean wait cubic sorry cubic zirconia is that is it a qz sorry no it's it's called a princess

00:11:04.700 cut oh okay it's a very yeah is it a qz princess no idea i don't know my fiancee would know okay

00:11:10.820 i don't know just it's a family is that is that that's kind of cubic zirconia that's like hey

00:11:15.780 that's like the earrings you get from walmart that's a valid question do you want to respond

00:11:21.020 to cheeks he's uh do you think it's uh it's an l for not for you i think he's calling the men

00:11:29.000 losers gotcha we have time we'll talk about it okay uh where were we did did you finish your intro

00:11:40.600 uh that i was just going to school for business and accounting and then i'm still a manager at the

00:11:45.840 auto shop sure maddie what about you sure my name is madison i'm 19 i'm from san diego and i live in

00:11:52.160 santa barbara i work for the whatever podcast and i'm also a student at sbcc studying call all right

00:12:00.520 welcome everybody and uh without further ado also we have by uh by satellite feed we have

00:12:08.800 the great andrew wilson my caucasian take it away yeah my name is andrew wilson i'm the host of the

00:12:16.220 crucible it's the fastest growing debate channel on youtube to my knowledge i'm a political satirist

00:12:21.880 a political analyst and i like to occasionally engage in a bit of debate all right welcome welcome

00:12:27.980 so we're gonna go around the table once more what is everybody's current relationship status so

00:12:34.660 are you uh single talking stage situationship friends with benefits married polycule sex cult

00:12:43.880 harem whatever it may be if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest

00:12:48.080 relationship you've ever been in go ahead uh in a relationship all right were you and you

00:12:54.000 relationship previous shows how long have you guys been together about six months seven months six

00:12:59.660 six months longest relationship two years two years all right and your current boyfriend he uh

00:13:07.500 is he also in the adult biz we both discontinued wait what yeah we both just we both discontinued

00:13:16.520 being uh mainstream adult performances you guys just do like your own yeah we're fully monogamous now

00:13:25.240 entrepreneurs okay but you're still doing adult content correct yeah all right is that how you

00:13:33.620 met though through the mainstream trad adult content stuff yeah okay got it and he was a male talent

00:13:41.100 yeah so we actually so we met through a friend of mine i was i got signed to an agency a corn agency

00:13:49.080 out here and i moved out here and i was looking for a place to stay and i was like hey i just put on

00:13:55.640 twitter does anybody have a room i can rent out while i fly back and forth from taxes to la my girlfriend

00:14:01.140 was like hey do you remember that guy zach from um exotica one of the conventions and i was like yeah

00:14:07.560 she was like well he just moved there he has a big house he said he'd be open to hosting you and i was

00:14:12.360 like cool so um the rest is history well it worked out yeah uh and so he did he ever shoot with men

00:14:22.780 no no because don't a lot of guys have to like in the mainstream a lot of them will get their start

00:14:30.420 shooting with dudes some do yes okay um some don't maybe that's kind of like it's outdated maybe

00:14:40.260 that's like well there used to be a really really big stipulation to where like you um couldn't

00:14:45.540 they call them crossover performers so you could would do gay and then you would do straight but

00:14:50.440 you're not really allowed to go from one to the other but now it's a lot more accepted for you to

00:14:55.460 do both sides okay yeah what about you i am married all right have you wait is that new

00:15:04.660 i know you were in a relationship no always married always okay always yeah how long married

00:15:11.620 two years two years together for six together for six long and is this your longest relationship

00:15:17.520 yeah who proposed to who he proposed to me of course of course why of course why of course it's

00:15:25.040 you know 2024 you know it's traditional it would have been 2022 i guess when you got married yeah

00:15:30.060 or even earlier 21 well congratulations thank you yeah what about you relay situationship

00:15:40.860 sorry a what yeah wait mix them together no i didn't hear i didn't i said relay situationship oh

00:15:51.200 relay situationship what does that mean um we were talking for a while and i would just say that was a

00:16:00.480 really a situationship and then we talked about being together but then we didn't really follow

00:16:06.120 through with that but we still talk to each other and i'd be acting like a wife sometimes so

00:16:11.620 yeah it's yeah how long have you been seeing this person about a year and some change

00:16:21.100 about a year okay so is it monogamous yes

00:16:26.820 okay it's monogamous on both sides so for the one year you've been seeing this person

00:16:34.600 there's been on both sides no other people involved like you you haven't seen other

00:16:40.740 for the most part yes everyone we were like oh well we're single for a while so you know like

00:16:47.800 if you're single and we just really enjoy each other's company it is what it is but as of right

00:16:52.420 now yes it is monogamous but you're not boyfriend girlfriend no do you want a title if you ask me

00:17:02.180 yeah but like so i'm not pressed but if you're expecting certain things from me i would appreciate

00:17:09.640 uh being asked the question if you don't ask me the question i can't say yes i'm your girlfriend

00:17:14.680 expecting what from you anything like what do you expect from a girlfriend what do you expect

00:17:21.660 from a woman you know you're like oh well cook me dinner clean clean up the house uh make sure that

00:17:28.480 you're talking to me at every second always answer your phone do this and do that um i feel like that

00:17:34.020 comes along with asking me to be your girlfriend which that's why i said relation situation ship

00:17:39.960 because you're doing half that shit i'm doing it without the title okay all right wait so are you

00:17:48.380 doing that stuff for him yeah do you guys live together sometimes sometimes when yeah he stays in

00:17:56.060 la so i'm not homeless no i have my own home he has his own home but we also stay together for a

00:18:04.480 majority of the time okay so it's like medium distance relationship he lives in la right yes okay

00:18:12.100 and you're here not all the time but yes okay i only come back for shows for shows okay yeah and

00:18:20.700 it is a he right because i know i think you're you said previous show you're by yes i recall okay

00:18:26.020 uh so together for one year ish situ relationship uh so have you guys had the conversation about

00:18:35.860 wanting like are we official boyfriend girlfriend yeah we had that conversation um how'd that go

00:18:42.540 it went great until the next day wait what what do you mean

00:18:46.640 we talked about really wanting to be with each other not wanting to like do all the extras and then

00:18:53.980 what do you mean do the extras like fight all the time and like be uncertain and then um

00:19:01.080 the next day we uh had like a falling out and then we were like well fuck that

00:19:07.600 and then we still talk to each other every day so am i in a relationship or am i not i don't know

00:19:13.160 look at uncertain no so when you did have the actual conversation though what was the determination

00:19:20.740 made there like did you who kind of initiated it did you go to him and say i want the title

00:19:26.460 i'm not that i want to be boyfriend girlfriend you're not that type of girl no if you want me

00:19:31.100 you're going to show me that you want me couldn't the guy say the same thing though if you want me

00:19:36.260 yeah but that's just not how i work so if that's the type of guy that you are then you should find

00:19:40.320 somebody that'll do that for you this reminds me of that uh home math video we watched recently like

00:19:46.160 if they won't do it what is it if they won't do it find somebody who will yeah find somebody who can

00:19:51.820 sounds right does that go should we pull it up can you find that video it's in it's i knew i should

00:19:57.600 have said something more simple no we won't react to it quite yet nick but once we get through the

00:20:04.560 relationship status stuff we will but just get it up just because that's an interesting convo

00:20:08.380 um so have you guys been on again off again more of uh we don't have to turn it on or off it's just

00:20:20.340 there we're just vibing so very g vibing here okay all right so uh how did you guys meet um at

00:20:30.400 something dope for the people in los angeles it's like an open mic event i went um i was like a stand-up

00:20:37.080 thing singing it's singing yes there's a whole bunch of different artists that come out and

00:20:41.020 they sing their songs they rap they do all this fun stuff yeah and it was my first time going to one

00:20:47.440 of those events and um we connected there okay cool all right what about you i'm engaged engaged how long

00:20:59.420 have you been engaged for uh since christmas eve we've been together for four years all right four

00:21:05.460 years in november is this your longest relationship it is before that it was three years all right and

00:21:12.400 let's see ever been married before no okay all right who proposed to who he proposed to me okay

00:21:20.300 and um how did you guys meet at a friend's giving dinner friends friends giving yeah that our friends

00:21:28.200 were hosting nice okay very cool what about you i am single all right single uh any uh previous

00:21:38.160 relationship history uh yeah um me and my boyfriend or ex i guess yeah uh almost three years broke up

00:21:44.800 two months ago okay pretty fresh yeah together for three years you said yeah i'm assuming that was your

00:21:50.260 longest relationship yeah ended two months ago uh why did you guys break up um i broke up with him

00:21:57.940 because it was just he just couldn't keep the same energy that was in the beginning

00:22:05.060 what uh can you elaborate a little bit he stopped trying yeah that's how i would stop trying so he used

00:22:11.500 to try yeah but then got you yeah stop trying yeah okay so how was he how was he trying before

00:22:18.140 i guess like when you say try what was he doing planning dates planning dates um

00:22:23.940 um like i don't know simple things sending texts good morning texts good night like checking in

00:22:31.780 just see the um same age as you yeah we went to high school so i mean so so his energy started to

00:22:39.460 lower from 15 to 18 yeah all right and so uh it ended two months ago yeah how did you break up with

00:22:57.880 him over text no we had i mean i was like oh we need to talk and then we talked okay did you send the

00:23:07.360 was it a text yeah we need to talk yeah you already know what's coming you get the we need to talk

00:23:13.380 have you ever have any of you ever gotten like a we need to talk text and then you're like fuck and

00:23:19.560 then it's like the most it's actually like oh like what do you want for dinner ever and you just have

00:23:24.520 that adrenaline you just have the adrenaline dump

00:23:27.320 just wasteful adrenaline dump i don't even want to eat anymore

00:23:32.560 so you said that he was he used to put an effort but then kind of stopped so you said like planning

00:23:39.640 dates yeah and then so it ended up towards the end would you say it was more like just you guys would

00:23:46.340 just hang out basically or yeah i mean it felt like we were kind of like friends like i was like oh can

00:23:51.980 be like you know be like a relationship like not just like talk and be friends like you know yeah

00:23:58.820 okay uh any uh so you've been single for two months any uh any rebound has it been rebound

00:24:06.440 um sure friends friends friends friends of friends no i would just say like friends who have became

00:24:16.240 more than but like not matthews donated 69 for the 22 year old singer i don't know if you know this

00:24:24.960 but girlfriends aren't expected to cook and clean that's wife stuff an actual wife tell him andrew

00:24:31.100 christ is king i like that tell him andrew i mean uh i actually think honestly it's it it needs to be

00:24:41.720 the reverse so it's not like you do that shit super far down the road you do that shit immediately

00:24:48.900 like second date fold his laundry i actually did have somebody take me on a date once a couple years

00:24:58.200 ago and he was like yeah um come over i need to grab something from the house and he was like can you

00:25:02.940 help me fold this laundry really quick and i was like this is the first date we're talking about

00:25:07.300 for the laundry i was like i think i'm gonna just uh it's good at all kick rocks or something

00:25:12.680 you didn't help him fold the laundry i i eventually i did but i definitely made a fuss about it i definitely

00:25:20.280 made a fuss about it i was like why would i do that what do you think this is i did

00:25:24.900 sports donated 69 dollars he lost the energy cool way of saying he just wasn't fit into you and did not

00:25:33.240 want you to go psycho ex-girlfriend did you key his car did you key his car no why why would i key his

00:25:40.960 car are you more like yeah do it tomorrow good idea good idea okay um well here we'll come back to

00:25:51.220 that but then so the whole laundry thing you you did it but it was a begrudging begrudging oh yeah

00:25:58.160 because what uh was it like did you smash wait did you smash no i did it because of the laundry

00:26:07.340 thing or you weren't going i wasn't going to i i just i wanted to see what it was like and

00:26:13.660 so you did it started like that you did fold the laundry yes were you like because i wanted to get

00:26:19.160 the fuck out the house like why am i what am i sitting here for yes i can help you fold the

00:26:23.280 laundry can we go you said that we were going here to do this so why am i at your house how do

00:26:28.200 we even get here it was his ploy to get you inside oh and it was my ploy to get back outside as quick

00:26:34.120 as possible and then not back in the house ever again did you do a good job folding it um i'm a

00:26:39.000 great excellent folder my mom has ocd and i have no other option but to fold correctly okay

00:26:45.820 besides the whole laundry thing would it what did you otherwise like him or was that kind of the

00:26:52.760 i just don't think that we were that compatible because the laundry thing

00:26:57.680 he was it was just different uh i was trying uh no yeah it was just different

00:27:04.720 see i think if the girl is willing to do it on the first date she's a keeper she is just not for

00:27:12.200 you because that's what you decided to put me up to on the first date so just know that she got away

00:27:19.520 okay uh so uh going back to morgan here so okay you were dating this guy for three years you broke

00:27:27.760 up two months ago he was he stopped putting in the energy um what is that like you guys would hang

00:27:40.360 out though right i mean you it wasn't like he wasn't seeing you right yeah but if i'm dating somebody and

00:27:45.800 i have to plan all the dates then why am i dating a man okay so you would like how often would you

00:27:53.100 guys see each other a couple times i mean we go to school together so we see each other every day

00:27:56.380 every day okay and so you would like when you say planning dates you'd want to go out and do stuff

00:28:02.340 and he'd kind of just want to hang out at home or yeah pretty much okay so you wanted him to tell

00:28:09.860 you what to do a little bit more tell me what to do yeah you wanted him to court you no i think

00:28:16.540 andrew andrew could you repeat yourself i don't think she heard you you wanted him to tell you

00:28:20.880 what to do a little bit more not what to do but like take initiative say oh i'm gonna come pick you

00:28:26.460 up at eight o'clock be ready and then that sounds like it's uh telling you what to do literally

00:28:31.460 i'm gonna come at eight o'clock and pick you up so be ready sounds literally like telling

00:28:36.560 somebody what to do just just to let you know if you guys are together then you're you're basically

00:28:40.860 like coming to agreement that i will let you tell me some things to do i yeah there's intention

00:28:47.480 behind it right it's not like he's saying like you better wear this or else like he's saying hey i'm

00:28:53.160 taking you out so be ready at eight like there's more there's different intention behind it it's more

00:28:59.400 of a caring way intention is to tell her what to do that's the intention did you tell him be ready

00:29:05.840 at eight i'm picking you up we're going out that sounds like the intention yeah i mean we've talked

00:29:10.500 about it before i told him that and he said okay give me one more chance and then he couldn't so you

00:29:14.960 asked for it clearly i said okay then i'm sorry i don't think she did anything wrong yeah if he's not

00:29:26.660 serving you if he's not serving you the way that you wanted yeah like keep that attitude all

00:29:31.940 throughout your the rest of your life because so many women in your position get stuck with men

00:29:36.620 because they feel obligated because they've already been with him for three years to continue to put

00:29:41.680 more time so good on you for not settling he's a great guy but just not going for you yeah actually

00:29:49.660 hold on let me walk back my statement i think i think that the guy should put an effort for the

00:29:55.940 first fortnight so like two weeks and then needs to totally withdraw and just push the entire rest

00:30:04.520 of the burden of everything onto the woman that's what after two weeks that's what they do that's

00:30:12.320 what i've actually experienced exactly what she's talking about like guys will put in so much effort

00:30:16.540 in the start and then once they finally have you they'll like gotcha bitch we got we got you

00:30:21.640 wow it's you know we got you yeah yeah and then you lost her so well yeah but they did for three

00:30:31.180 years and then they'll circle back in a couple months and they'll be like hey you know i really

00:30:37.320 i worked on myself and don't believe it because they really probably didn't and then they'll take

00:30:44.400 you on a date and they'll do everything that you expected and then it's just it feels forced and

00:30:50.540 pushed because i had the same thing i mean we were friends for a while because i was like oh let's like

00:30:55.180 that was like my best friend of three years like let's be friends and he was like okay and then we

00:30:59.700 were friends and then he said you're leading me on i can't be friends i said i was never getting back

00:31:04.280 together so i don't know what that means oh you were trying to be friends after you broke up yeah

00:31:09.620 yeah um yeah that doesn't a little too soon might be a little bit too soon yeah no wait so i'm trying

00:31:18.140 to think here so okay you know what i think i think it's it's actually kind of fair like for us guys to

00:31:26.980 like we put in we we do the heavy lifting at the beginning and then just coast get booped donated

00:31:32.960 $69 did girl in pink just seriously say if he isn't willing to serve you so you expect the guy

00:31:40.760 to serve you but you don't expect to serve your guy come on i didn't i didn't say that me oh yeah

00:31:47.040 when did you say that though when did you say that say that either she did she did say she said that

00:31:51.680 she wasn't expecting to serve she did say serve i said serve and they took it literal translation

00:31:56.580 grid one motorsports donated $69 maybe if you had thrown in a good hawk to you or made a better

00:32:03.680 sandwich maybe he would have put in more work also men do not serve women perhaps he felt you

00:32:10.360 would not serve the patriarchy well he's a brave and a decent man he's a pioneer yo grid one good to

00:32:16.380 see you back in the chat man uh it's been uh i think it's been a couple shows we haven't seen

00:32:19.760 you so really good to hear from you man always uh andrew 1914 donated $69 back middle in pink you

00:32:28.200 are absolutely beautiful i'll take you to a nice dinner again andrew 1914

00:32:34.520 okay there you go you're already getting some new prospects there you go wait so is it unreasonable

00:32:44.080 to say that the equivalent is when a woman lets herself go in a relationship like how in the

00:32:50.220 beginning she's all putting herself together she's hot all the time she smells good and then somewhere

00:32:54.880 down the line yeah like she puts perfume essential oils essential oils i can't stand perfume whatever

00:33:01.740 shampoo he likes to shower takes a shower puts effort i 100 and then somewhere down the line just

00:33:07.640 t-shirt and sweats what's that drake song hair tied sweatpants chilling with no makeup on that's

00:33:14.740 when you're the prettiest i hope you don't take it wrong for sure sometimes that's cute but when it's

00:33:18.180 all the time i've definitely heard about like the men feeling like oh i shouldn't have to tell you

00:33:24.240 that you're letting yourself go and if you get offended by that then that's on you because you're

00:33:29.380 the one that is really just not looking as good as you did before but wait have you had that

00:33:34.880 experience i've not had that experience but i've had that conversation so you've had that wait you've

00:33:39.380 had the experience no no they weren't telling me they were like well if i told you like you're

00:33:43.220 getting fat and you don't dress up as much which would never be excuse me

00:33:48.520 how would you feel about that do you think that that's okay and acceptable to say to your woman

00:33:56.440 and i'm like but can we like backtrack and be like okay why is she letting herself go is it

00:34:03.820 because he's not putting up like like we said he wasn't giving that effort in the beginning so

00:34:09.500 it's like why bother he wasn't gonna tell me i was pretty if i dressed up anyway yeah i definitely

00:34:15.300 think that that is the equivalent though a guy not trying i would say is 100 the same as a woman being

00:34:21.400 comfortable and not dressing up anymore or letting herself go if she used to say work out and stay fit

00:34:28.800 things like that but now there are three four or five years in the relationship or you know maybe

00:34:33.320 they're married they have kids now and oh well we have kids now so my focus is on the kids and not

00:34:38.540 my health and wellness grid one motorsports donated 69 oh my god why is the feminist men's dating coach

00:34:47.000 talking about women smelling like whores this seems counterproductive to a meaningful relationship

00:34:53.400 all right grid one he's he's he's grid one's uh he's uh you've been drinking grid one

00:35:01.760 little scotch little whiskey what's up uh so i actually here look here's what i think it is right

00:35:08.900 so it's kind of we're when a guy does that we're leveling things out we're balancing shit out because

00:35:16.300 the amount of effort we put in the beginning is is tremendous orders of magnitude i mean tremendous

00:35:24.320 so then once once we we you know put in the work and we uh gotcha bitch we just we just want to coast

00:35:33.200 we just want to coast and also question uh do you consider yourself more introverted or extroverted

00:35:38.160 i would say more introverted and what about him more extroverted introverted i would say he's the

00:35:44.120 same introverted a little bit is he uh homebody likes to stay at home and what about you likes

00:35:50.460 to stay at home or prefers to go out yeah yeah so he probably just wants to kick it at home chill

00:35:55.380 relax but i feel like it's so tiring yeah that's tiring yes like oh my god i feel like i'm not doing

00:36:01.340 anything in my life i'm 18 years old and i'm sitting in the house every single day with some guy that

00:36:06.720 don't that don't do nothing for me sounds great you know when you turn 30 as a woman i bet you

00:36:11.900 half the people aren't going to be an option you can't mold a grown-ass man into what you need or

00:36:17.780 want them to be but if you got with somebody that's your own age and likes to do the same

00:36:21.240 things that you like to do y'all are growing together it's different it's beautiful that was

00:36:26.220 beautiful thank you yeah no i think look we got to do so much at the beginning i think we just uh got

00:36:32.840 the coast grid one motorsports donated 69 dollars i do not drink but i have to assume all the men

00:36:40.440 taking the feminist coaches advice are professional

00:36:43.060 grid one he's on he's on a roast

00:36:45.840 he's he's on the warpath tonight he is on the warpath tonight good to see in the chat

00:36:53.760 one appreciate it let me pull up this other chat

00:36:55.720 from uh pico steins here cost times donated 107 dollars thank you man greetings panel who in the

00:37:04.420 panel would be so kind as to give brian a proper bow all right here look let's uh we'll get through

00:37:10.840 relationship sadness then we'll pull up the bow video uh proper bow um so we can perhaps get back

00:37:18.580 to some of the morgan stuff later but uh what about you relationship stuff um i am single yes all right

00:37:25.140 how long you been single i have been single for about a year now longest relationship um about

00:37:31.860 three years three years okay uh single for one year so uh you're not currently talking to anybody no

00:37:40.460 nobody in the picture no no dating apps no no sneaky link no no no roster no what roster oh no

00:37:49.300 friends with benefits nope okay wait going back to you morgan really quick i know you mentioned there

00:37:54.180 was a rebound is it ongoing or um we're friends what we're friends what does that what does that

00:38:02.020 mean we talk so sneaky link sneaky friend sneaky sneaky link friends with benefits or sure yeah okay

00:38:13.020 do you have a roster got like i plead the fifth you got like a couple sneaky links

00:38:22.480 we'll never know i don't know we'll never know so uh how about just people you're talking to

00:38:30.020 talking to yeah do you have a roster of talking to people no not a roster no okay and you uh you play

00:38:41.640 soccer correct yeah okay and because i feel like you got riz you know do you have riz yeah riz can

00:38:50.220 let's let's see some riz i don't know

00:38:53.800 can you riz up maddie like pretend she's a dude okay i don't think i have riz don't say it comes with

00:39:01.180 it i just like look at her eyes look at them you just look look at her eyes

00:39:04.780 look at her eyes so what do you do just like give them a look it's good we'll come back to the look

00:39:11.880 thing donated 69 dollars grid one take your meds ffs btw now we know why she ended the three-year

00:39:19.760 relationship she's planning on dating up being guys you gotta be nice to morgan over here come on uh

00:39:26.580 grid one take your meds by the way what does that mean take his meds yeah what do you mean

00:39:31.680 what meds what grid one do you take any meds

00:39:34.640 anonymous donated 69 dollars many think a significant age gap is predatory and wrong

00:39:42.680 while celebrating an entire month promoting actual sexual immorality

00:39:46.960 is a 44 year virgin wrong to seek a 20 year virgin same phase in life

00:39:52.760 uh we can open that last question up to the panel

00:39:56.280 uh is it wrong for a 44 year old virgin to want to date a 20 year old virgin oh i just feel like the

00:40:03.940 20 year old virgin has a much larger pool to choose from and the 40 year old does not so i feel like you

00:40:14.220 as 40 should know that you should let that 20 year old have their chance because you had your chance

00:40:21.520 all the way up until wait i have a question what if the 40 40 year old virgin is ryan reynolds

00:40:26.180 who's 47 by the way and the 20 year old virgin is somebody with who's like an amp

00:40:32.520 oh no no don't don't go there no let's just say obese

00:40:36.540 that's that's equally as worse which one which one is like you know has more options

00:40:42.720 oh well yeah when you put filters i feel was that called wait filters

00:40:49.380 those are like you're filtering the scenario 40 ryan reynolds 47 okay but he says 40 44 year old

00:40:56.840 ryan reynolds virgin versus 20 year old random obese person find somebody who's ugly and name them

00:41:03.600 please uh that's subjective uh who's an unattractive the the little beast thing

00:41:12.520 oh that's a 20 year old virgin of hillary clinton 20 year old obese hillary clinton

00:41:19.260 yeah what did she look like when she was 20 she was actually not she was pretty fine i mean

00:41:26.460 there's other reasons to uh not like her but uh so going around the table anyways do you i guess

00:41:34.460 the question is is it wrong wrong for 44 year old virgin to date 20 year old virgin i feel like

00:41:41.540 it's it's not wrong but you at 44 should let the 20 year old have like have their pick and i just i

00:41:49.860 just it's not wrong because y'all are both virgins but i wouldn't say y'all are in the same life phase

00:41:56.980 you can't be at 44 it's like a gray area yeah but virgins or not are you really in the same i would say

00:42:04.380 no but i mean i'm also not a person to judge like if they want to choose to be with the 40 year old

00:42:10.960 virgin then go for it i mean what are you getting what it is we both don't know what we're doing here

00:42:16.560 you're a grown-ass man i'm really age gaps are actually a thing there's an entire subreddit uh

00:42:22.100 your girl joined at one point for uh age gap and it's a thing people talk about how large of an age

00:42:29.620 gap they are with their partners so that's actually some people's kink and their sure their thing your

00:42:35.180 thoughts on this real quick i mean just get quick answers yeah i think it's fine because you have your

00:42:39.360 choice to be with who you want to be with regardless of your orientation i agree i think it's a little

00:42:46.140 creepy a little creepy okay just because a 20 year old woman does it give you the ick does it give

00:42:53.620 you the ick a tiny bit yeah because a 20 year old woman i mean her prefrontal cortex isn't even fully

00:42:58.760 developed yet she's still not but it's true she's not until fucking court not the prefrontal cortex

00:43:05.620 are we doing all right we need to i don't think it's wrong though to be clear i'm i'm not the bingo

00:43:11.100 card the judge on what's right or wrong cortex is one of them but i do think it's slightly slightly

00:43:17.140 the abdulla nickelodeon donated 69 bro nickelodeon name someone who's ugly that's fair that's fair

00:43:24.220 bitch why do they assume it's a 40 year old man going after a younger woman that's what the question

00:43:29.640 was if the question was actually no they didn't specify gender it did not so if it were flipped i would

00:43:36.380 still think it's weird i think if you meet someone who's 20 and you genuinely fall for each other

00:43:41.920 great but i think setting a filter for that is a bit of an interesting choice interesting okay all

00:43:48.420 right it's almost like setting a filter for tall exactly why exactly that's all weird right setting

00:43:55.280 i do actually do think that's weird yeah do you think it's weird to set a filter for blue eyes

00:44:00.460 you don't say wait what yeah of course i think it's shallow why would that be weird

00:44:05.140 i mean if you meet someone that you genuinely connect with and you're compatible and they

00:44:10.320 happen to have blue eyes but if you i mean you're just gonna narrow your pool compatible are you

00:44:15.360 because they don't have a trait that you want right so then would you say that your connection to

00:44:20.900 someone doesn't initially start by looks and then you fall for the person based on their personality

00:44:26.260 no it does start by looks but filtering for a 20 year old doesn't have much to do with looks it's

00:44:31.400 just like a why why does it have to do with looks in fact let me let me give you a little pushback

00:44:38.140 okay i am 100 000 confident that 40 year old men who are filtering for 20 year old women it has

00:44:45.860 everything to do with looks you're right it does anything else it would have to do with but then is it

00:44:51.800 weird for the 20 year old to have their filter up to 45 for the 40 or 44 year old to be falling

00:44:57.380 i think that's i think that's weird yes i don't think it's wrong but i do think it's weird

00:45:02.500 okay that's my opinion let's do uh how about this we'll come back i'll write a note to come back to

00:45:10.660 the age gap stuff just so we can get can i get back to this real quick because i'm just i just got

00:45:15.700 to know okay why in the world would you say you don't think that a 40 year old donated 69

00:45:21.400 one sec one sec didn't the president of france get groomed by his high school teacher is that creepy

00:45:27.640 yes yes well i think that's a little different because there's like the the nature of the relationship

00:45:36.520 whereas like teacher student that muddies muddies it a little bit someone did that at my school

00:45:42.920 also i think it's different if it's a 30 if it's a 30 and a 54 year old i think they're more likely

00:45:50.080 to be in a similar phase of life than a 44 and a 20 year old yeah but forgetting the phase of life

00:45:55.800 for just a second we can get back to that too because that's just meaningless garbage tripe that's

00:45:59.940 made up and i don't even know what it means just garbage how could you ever say that a 40 year old

00:46:05.940 man who's filtering for like a 20 21 22 year old chick isn't doing that primarily based around the

00:46:12.600 fact that she's hot no i didn't say that that that is why no you did you did say that you said

00:46:18.920 that the looks aren't why they're filtering and i'm like what what are you talking about i'm just

00:46:22.720 saying if he met a girl that were 26 and just as hot i don't think he's gonna go oh but you're 26

00:46:28.440 and you're 20 so let me go with a 20 year old there's a guy that says differently than that

00:46:32.600 but also i heard recently that once you're 20 it's like you start over again so i'm a i'm a

00:46:39.080 two-year-old adult right now you hear me because instead of being 22 because you don't learn shit

00:46:46.080 for the first 10 10 years of your life about relationships like with other people like we're

00:46:52.020 not talking about sex and all the other things that you could be talking about in front of your

00:46:55.620 kids at that age so when you turn 18 that's when you should when you start kind of counting it that's

00:47:01.820 what i heard you know like okay so i'm about to be a 20 i'm about to be a two-year-old adult and then

00:47:06.860 you keep counting up from that so you want to date a two-year-old

00:47:09.700 how does that not make sense though you know what you know what hang on hang on let me use your line

00:47:20.000 of logic here you ready okay so are we going to give the vote to a two-year-old no no okay great so

00:47:26.820 then women shouldn't be able to vote at 20 right what back it up what i think it they're able to vote

00:47:32.380 at 18 because that's what you're learning about you're not learning about sex you're learning

00:47:36.420 about stop don't prattle don't prattle just listen to what i'm actually asking here's your logic do

00:47:42.480 you want to date a two-year-old because you're saying he's a two-year-old adult right it's like

00:47:47.440 okay by that same logic do we want a two-year-old to vote but it's not stupid but that's not based

00:47:52.620 off gender a man that is 20 years old is also a two-year-old adult like if he's 22 he's also a

00:47:58.080 20-year-old adult it's not about gender so what are you talking about women shouldn't be able to

00:48:02.420 vote at 20 wait guys one at a time only one person speaking at a time so you don't want 20-year-old

00:48:07.060 women or men to vote by that logic no i don't i don't think that you should count it as them being

00:48:12.580 at their maturest point that has nothing to do with because you're sitting at school every day and

00:48:16.980 you're learning about politicians you're learning about all these things that you need to know

00:48:20.660 but that's different from your personal experience in life with other people it's different oh so i

00:48:28.120 get it i get it so you don't have enough experience in order to have your own dating preferences but you

00:48:32.900 have enough experience to participate in the running of a nation that's that's big brain stuff right

00:48:37.740 what yeah you want you want these two-year-olds to run around and vote like that's that's crazy

00:48:42.820 you can go to school donated 69 macron's wife was 40 and he was 15 yet i don't hear anyone calling

00:48:52.060 that out as creepy behavior even with the student teacher dynamic i've never heard that and that is

00:48:57.360 weird was 40 and he was 15 super fucking creepy actually okay but i mean in the defense of macron

00:49:04.020 and his um i mean perhaps wife beaten cheeks donated 69 men's dating coach poor thing doing

00:49:14.620 awful advertising herself on here that wants losers that to subscribe to her anyone going against grid

00:49:21.160 one is against the patriarchy is an idiot feminist damn bro drizzle

00:49:25.020 why just one drizzle sprinkle sprinkle sprinkle all right uh go ahead andrew no i was just saying

00:49:34.940 in their defense drama kids are creepy and weird so yeah but and he was a drama kid he's in in all

00:49:41.540 of them all drama kids everywhere are little creepy fucks all of them every one of them so i'm just

00:49:47.740 just gonna throw that out there so that might be why that relationship ended up happening

00:49:51.800 okay um here let's get through relationship status so we got your relationship status correct

00:49:59.360 okay what about you oh um i'm single i just recently got out of a year-long relationship

00:50:05.140 about three months ago and i'm just not into looking for another relationship just trying to figure out

00:50:14.500 myself but i am if i do open up i'm looking only strictly for marriage i'm not really

00:50:21.800 into the dating scene wait so sorry you've been single for how long uh i think three is going

00:50:27.500 on to four months four months longest relationship uh that was the only relationship i was ever into

00:50:33.500 about a year okay one year yeah and you said at this point you're just looking for marriage yes okay

00:50:41.100 has that always been your standard yes so you've never done like any sneaky links or anything like that

00:50:46.160 no okay all right why did the relationship end who broke up with who uh he broke up with me i just

00:50:53.060 felt like maybe he wasn't emotionally mature and then i also felt like maybe he just no like he just

00:51:00.760 what he wasn't ready for it emotionally unavailable too much stress going on he's a business owner so

00:51:07.260 it wasn't a relationship wasn't a priority and then it was for me so okay how old are you i'm 23

00:51:14.960 but the downfall is i still work with him so just trying to get out of that loophole oh wait i remember

00:51:21.880 you telling that story yeah i'm still there unfortunately what was the story that um wait don't you like

00:51:27.480 live with him or i lived with him but i still work with him okay yeah it's a little

00:51:35.680 okay it's a complicated situation good times good times yeah uh you you guys have already heard

00:51:44.660 maddie shit like a million times uh yeah uh let's see oh nick we need to pull up the uh yeah just make

00:51:53.080 sure it's all set up with like the chats and whatnot boys it wasn't a flake actually it was uh

00:51:58.940 i got i got this dm guys i get these dms like three times a day um i don't often share like sometimes

00:52:05.280 i'll share it if it's interesting but just assume i'm dealing with like these uh r slurred people like

00:52:12.600 pretty much multiple times a day uh yes go ahead okay all right so

00:52:23.060 this girl this was on sunday wake woke up to sunday how the fuck do i get on this shit and prove that

00:52:28.960 ugly white boy he's so wrong at everything and she's talking about me um and so uh put put me put

00:52:36.240 this on the other side so i responded i was like can you be in sb at 4 p.m boom hey you want to debate

00:52:42.900 let's debate but as as usual as usual you know they talk a big game a lot of bark no bite every

00:52:53.300 single and i won't even if somebody sends me a nasty message like that i won't even get nasty back

00:52:57.960 i'll just be like let's come talk to me let's let's actually have a debate let's have an analysis of like

00:53:04.940 your thought process they're not really open to doing that because they'll just get smoked i'm not

00:53:10.220 even a good debater i'll still smoke them and then of course i got my backup here andrew wilson but uh

00:53:14.940 but um yeah it's all bark no bite with a lot of these people who like have uh quarrel or who have uh

00:53:24.060 what's it called state your uh not what's the word for uh grievance that's the word they got a grievance

00:53:33.440 they're not prepared to come and defend it so anyways uh just thought that was interesting

00:53:38.240 if you guys want you know just uh you know just understand where i'm coming from you know anyways

00:53:45.340 okay i've seen your ig stories when you repost the people who are sending you hilarious trash dms

00:53:51.880 yeah and he they're funny oh yeah so on my personal ig i won't post it on my main because

00:53:57.520 then they'll absolutely get demolished on my personal ig which has not that many followers

00:54:01.900 a lot of these people will be like send me a dm super nasty like they'll they'll talk shit about like

00:54:07.460 my family and you tag them and i just die laughing well because they'll message me and be like you're a

00:54:13.760 pussy they'll say they'll say that shit to me oh you're a pussy why are your comments turned off what

00:54:19.580 blah blah blah and then i'll just literally take a screenshot of the nasty dm and i'll just tag them

00:54:25.560 i won't say hey go i won't say anything within 30 minutes they've changed their username profile

00:54:31.600 they've privated everything and they're like they're calling me a pussy and i'm like look

00:54:36.960 it was really scary well they're it's ironic because their criticism of me is like oh your your ig

00:54:44.020 comments are turned off and then they literally have to private all their shit and change their

00:54:50.980 username within 30 minutes and it's like i'm giving you a taste of what i get every single day

00:54:58.000 anyways it's just interesting i've only done that like three times when they send me something like

00:55:02.240 really nasty like i hope your family uh you know like they'll send me really nasty shit it's bad

00:55:09.540 it's bad i hope your your kids one day you know just really fucked up shit so do you have kids

00:55:16.500 what's that do you have kids no no no so uh what's it called still though your future kids you know

00:55:24.340 it's like crazy wow speaking on the unborn it's crazy you want kids uh yeah seven sons

00:55:31.020 gonna have seven sons when i don't know fucking just start soon i guess i heard that a man can't

00:55:38.560 stop like you know how when they're like oh women can't have kids after this certain age but like

00:55:44.220 a man can have kids forever like a guy he had a kid at 80 and then he died like a week after she was

00:55:50.740 born that's crazy work why would you even do that to your kids oh by the way guys we had charlie kirk on

00:55:56.980 the show uh like two weeks ago i still have his water bottle if anybody wants to buy it i'm gonna

00:56:02.080 put it on ebay just kidding okay that would sell that really would sell i think so his dna is on

00:56:07.540 that no i'm kidding charlie don't worry i'm not gonna i'm just it's just a bit it's just a bit i'm

00:56:12.360 not gonna sell it uh okay so let's see we got everybody's relationship status nick was there was

00:56:18.000 there something else we were gonna pull up or the home math uh yeah we can we can go to that real

00:56:24.360 quick then we'll go home math home math home math yeah instead of girl math we're explaining to home

00:56:34.060 if he won't find someone who will like if he won't open your door for you find someone who will

00:56:42.440 simple right my brother just asked me does that work for guys too i was like of course so he's like

00:56:47.400 so if she doesn't cook for me find someone who will if she won't do my laundry for me then find a

00:56:53.020 girl that will yeah i didn't say it didn't go both ways so bad when men say it sounds bad because

00:56:59.120 our society so i mean is that so you said earlier something along those lines like and i was talking

00:57:05.780 for the man i said if you can't if i'm not doing the things that you want go find that you know

00:57:10.460 it's it's it goes both ways it's not just one and we also have to do the bow okay so i'm watching

00:57:16.540 a lot of bridgerton i got my bow on on lock good to know because she seemed to object like she was

00:57:23.780 saying well if you won't find a man who does x find one who will so when it comes to what men should

00:57:29.140 do she's totally cool with it like so find a guy who'll open the car door pay for dates buy you flowers

00:57:34.160 blah blah blah etc etc but when you reverse it and you say find a woman who will do your laundry

00:57:40.900 who will cook for you who will be submissive etc etc then it's like well that's misogynistic no it's

00:57:48.260 not there that's there's someone out there for everybody you don't have to limit yourself you

00:57:53.120 don't have to settle hang on because we were just kind of squabbling a second ago about this uh this

00:57:59.300 two-year-old kid that has nothing to do with anything that we're talking about right now i think

00:58:03.560 it does i think i think it does can you can you elaborate when you're like when they're like okay well

00:58:09.340 you can't have my baby so i'm gonna find a girl that will that's gonna be a girl you know preferably

00:58:14.320 in the 20s right yeah sure in your 40s and you're like i want to have children you're gonna go find

00:58:19.300 myself a chick in their 20s who's gonna give me lots of them right isn't that the i'll find someone

00:58:24.500 who will isn't that the same thing the reason that i think that these two things are different is

00:58:29.980 because in that situation you can't wait hold on let me reverse i said that both of these things work

00:58:38.020 for both genders i said at 20 if you're 21 22 you're a one-year-old two-year-old adult right

00:58:44.820 so that was for men or women if i say i want to find somebody that'll do this for me and that for

00:58:51.400 me and the person that you're with right now isn't doing it that that goes for men and women because

00:58:56.940 there are people that will do those things for you and make you feel the way that you want to feel

00:59:01.540 it's not about gender 40 so so yeah i mean i get it so if a 45 year old man's like oh if you're if

00:59:08.520 you won't have my babies i'll find a girl that will and preferably one in their 20s because they're

00:59:14.760 going to have lots of babies that seems totally appropriate right if they find a girl in their

00:59:19.860 20s who want to do that i praise it go ahead if you can find somebody that wants to do that for you

00:59:26.720 i am so more than happy for you it's not a disagreement so no ick that's not icky right

00:59:31.960 i don't i can't say that it's icky i've had an age gap i'm just saying like if you're thinking about it

00:59:38.640 like we're not on the same stage that was the disagreement there that they're not on the same

00:59:43.320 stage of life because this is a virgin at 22 and this is a virgin at 44 you have had 44 years of

00:59:48.760 being fucking wait this is what it seems before before we get into it further i want to go around

00:59:53.060 the table on one thing sounds like the ick can't be the ick if i've done it before we get into it i

00:59:58.120 want to go around the table on one thing and also just fyi we have boosted the tts to 200 thank you

01:00:04.420 guys for those of you since i'm in just going around the table do you object to age gap relationships

01:00:11.460 go ahead no no no no no no um yeah i don't think age gap relationships should be a thing

01:00:23.620 you think they shouldn't be a thing you just can't grow together the same way what but you just said

01:00:28.380 i'm not against it i'm not against it i don't have to be against it you're against age gaps okay what

01:00:34.240 about you um no but i guess it depends on like the age i was just gonna say what do you consider

01:00:41.440 so like i my age gap is nine years the guy's older yeah yeah okay so it's like there's very

01:00:49.700 there are variations right there's very many situations where you can have someone who grew

01:00:55.520 up faster or they're more mature or like for me i wasn't a big partier like i knew that i wanted a

01:01:03.420 family i knew that i wanted to like that that was my goal in life and it wasn't to go out and party

01:01:09.660 on the weekends in my like in my 20s which you know to each their own everybody has their own

01:01:14.720 thing but it's like i knew to get what i wanted in life i needed to look older and it was like they

01:01:22.980 just so happened to find someone who was also at that same mindset so it's like it's possible is it

01:01:28.440 rare yeah it's rare but is it possible or like i personally prefer an age gap just because

01:01:36.140 well i look for a leader and i look for someone who can set that tone and environment for me to be

01:01:45.320 submissive and follow into that lead and i tend to find it in older men versus men my age 100 and i

01:01:53.820 feel like that's something that is talked a lot on this podcast but like it's never mentioned like

01:01:59.120 you have to think for every girl in her 20s that is looking for someone older there has to be someone

01:02:06.140 older that is willing to date someone younger than them so it's okay for a girl to walk around and be

01:02:11.900 like oh i want someone who's older than me but then when we start to talk about a guy who wants someone

01:02:17.300 younger than them it starts to get weird or like people start to feel like it's weird but you have

01:02:21.640 to think there's there's two sides to it so it's like yeah we can say oh oh it's fine for her to want

01:02:26.580 someone older but then when a guy's like when a guy says that they want someone younger we're like

01:02:31.140 oh that's that's weird or something and it's like well you have to have two sides to it there's got

01:02:35.780 to be someone for the other person and so going around the table once more and actually as soon

01:02:40.380 as elsa gets back i we went around but didn't get her answer uh are you cool with age gap relationships

01:02:46.460 you're fine with age gap yes yes uh so going around the table just state your age again and the

01:02:53.800 oldest guy you would date um i'm 26 and um at 22 or 23 i did date someone close to their 50s

01:03:05.900 okay okay so you would date into their 40s okay ryan reynolds 47 by the way just saying okay

01:03:14.180 how old would you i'm 28 and i would say the absolute most i would go is probably like 12 years

01:03:20.960 so 40 40 yeah um i am 22 and i've dated somebody who is 36 i mean i feel like it's all about your

01:03:33.540 mental capacity are you grown enough to date a grown-ass man are you grown are you young-minded

01:03:40.360 enough to date a grown woman i mean a young woman like it's all about weird though because i feel like

01:03:46.880 you're kind of speaking out of both sides of your mouth so you're you go well you know hang on

01:03:51.300 hang on let me explain like ah you know i really don't have any problem with it but then when we go

01:03:56.240 to somebody else you go there's no way that they're on the same plane or that they are on the same

01:04:01.260 experience level or you know like whatever the hell that means what does that mean they might not be

01:04:07.660 on the same level right but if you're young and you want to date somebody that's older you have to

01:04:13.880 be willing to go in and do the things that you've never done before because this man who is 40 years

01:04:20.320 old is doing those things and you've never done that you have no experience in it so yes if you

01:04:25.140 are willing to learn and do more then yes you can be in an age gap gap relationship but it also goes

01:04:32.620 the other way around i don't understand what the hell do they need to do they're like they're 22 year

01:04:36.600 there's such a difference there's such a difference because at 22 years old hang on hang on just let

01:04:41.780 you give your spiel you gotta let me talk for a second calm down okay you'll get a chance to respond

01:04:46.100 so anyway uh what what do you think they need to do they're if they're 21 22 and they're dating let's

01:04:54.720 say a 35 or 37 year old man what do you think that he wants them to do exactly balance his checkbook

01:05:01.040 hang on hang on balance his checkbook what what like what is it specifically that you think he wants

01:05:05.980 from her he wants her to be mature and do all the things that he's expecting from a woman that is

01:05:11.880 not something that everybody knows especially at a young age they're expecting you to be this grown

01:05:18.440 ass woman who knows how to take care of the house take care of everything that you need to get done

01:05:23.000 they are expecting more because they have learned about more women they have grown and they have they

01:05:28.900 have grown and learned what they want more than as a young person they don't give a shit they want to

01:05:33.420 have sex with them but that's not true because i've done it i've done it that's what i'm telling

01:05:37.800 you is i've done it and he's expecting and the type of car they drive they don't give a fuck about

01:05:41.780 that shit what do you mean it's not true there maybe there are people that don't give a shit but

01:05:46.080 i've been in a situation where they didn't expect more why i know that i can demonstrate how because

01:05:51.540 you're a fifth year old man who wants a 25 year old woman there because men inside of their 40s who

01:05:57.800 date women who are 35 36 don't have any high expectation from those women either they don't

01:06:03.600 have any high expectation for those that's what you would think hang on hang on hang on right

01:06:08.100 you're good at talking you're not good at listening so just hang on listen to what i'm saying

01:06:11.320 okay they really don't have high expectations from women at all when it comes to this they don't have

01:06:16.660 some high expectations she's going to be some work boss that she's going to contribute tons to the

01:06:20.520 household they don't have any of those expectations why the hell would they have them to a woman at 22 23

01:06:24.460 the only reason that i say that is because i've experienced it could either be both like you think

01:06:30.480 that you were valued for your maturity and that you were valued for your insights into life or do you

01:06:36.940 think perhaps you were valued for a different reason that's not what i'm saying i'm saying it's what

01:06:42.800 he expected not what he valued what he expected what he wanted from me was different than what i had

01:06:49.700 to to give because i didn't know about those type of things yeah what did he expect he expected me

01:06:56.340 to be that girl that wakes up earlier than him goes and cooks breakfast and does all these things to

01:07:01.920 make sure that he's good in the day checks up on him 50 times a day and do and do all these things

01:07:07.400 why wouldn't a 22 year old have the same expectation i've also been in a relationship with a 22 year old

01:07:12.820 and they like it when you're a little bit more standoffish uh i've gotten more attention

01:07:18.100 22 year old i just want to make sure i get this right you think that 22 year old men also don't

01:07:23.200 want you to wake up before them and cook them breakfast because i promise that they do i didn't

01:07:27.440 say that they that they don't i said that that's what a man that is that of that age is expecting that

01:07:33.440 whereas uh a man that is younger he hasn't even experienced that so he can't really say oh well

01:07:38.940 you're not doing this you're not doing this he's like okay well this is what i want

01:07:42.900 can't you say that because he's ignorant of what it is that he wants which is you to cook him

01:07:48.340 breakfast in the morning before he wakes up that basically it's easier to exploit him than it would

01:07:54.960 be as somebody who's 35 and is like no lady you're gonna wake up and cook me breakfast is that i mean

01:07:59.560 is that really the position that's not what i said can't we i mean how but how is it not that i don't

01:08:04.220 how is it not that let's go to giselle let's let giselle talk i feel like can't we agree that

01:08:10.680 depending on whatever gender we are whatever age we are there's going to be men who just want to

01:08:17.880 fuck and then some who want the wife material and vice versa there's women who just want to just

01:08:23.380 have sex with a four-year-old man there's women who want to be a wife in the in the wife world want

01:08:30.640 to cook want to clean want to do provide and be that environment for a man can we all agree that

01:08:35.920 there's just yes it depends on preference a hundred percent because i think we can't everybody

01:08:40.800 i just can't bring myself to agree with this point because i just don't think it's true

01:08:47.120 answer me this have a wife don't you answer me this for you okay are you are you married he is

01:08:55.480 do you have like do you have standards for yourself how you want your house up kept how

01:09:01.000 you want your family to be protected or things like that is that not a standard for you yeah right

01:09:08.400 and it's a mutual agreement between you and your wife who has what responsibility to upkeep what

01:09:13.780 correct sure okay so you don't just expect your wife to sleep with you at the end of the night

01:09:19.560 you expect your wife to uphold the standards of your household correct and also sleep with me yes

01:09:25.460 right both uh wholeheartedly of course sure so would you not expect that other people have those

01:09:32.440 standards yeah but i think that they're going to have the same standards at 22 as they do at 40 when

01:09:37.420 it comes to that so i think that men i think that men at 22 would still prefer to have their women

01:09:41.620 cooking cleaning and upholding the standards of their household as they would at 40 years old but also

01:09:45.300 at 22 they want to just fuck at 22 they would fuck anybody let me let me let me get a word in

01:09:50.560 hang on there's a lot of people on the panel let me respond to what she's saying okay well i swear

01:09:55.840 you're gonna get plenty of time to talk so to kind of get back to this i think that 22 year old men

01:10:01.660 still want to have their breakfast cooked and they still want to have their chick cooking clean and

01:10:05.380 they still want to have sex with their chick just like when they're at 40 i'm just saying that i

01:10:08.680 think that 40 year old men who have a preference for younger women honestly mostly don't have the

01:10:13.700 preference because they think oh you're really mature for your age because they don't think women

01:10:17.820 at 35 are really mature for their age i think that they think well you're really hot and i want to

01:10:22.940 bang you that's what i think right and i think that it tends to work out pretty well i think it

01:10:29.000 honestly tends to work out pretty well i don't think i think that women are after them for the resources

01:10:33.260 hey they're after them for their youth and beauty seems like it works out actually statistically

01:10:38.120 though the age gap relationships don't work out as well so anything above 10 years starts to decline

01:10:44.220 in terms of relationship satisfaction and longevity yeah and most relationships don't work out also

01:10:49.940 let's say that's true but the relationships that do what you're what you're citing are marriage stats

01:10:56.200 you're taught citing marriages between these massive age gaps don't work out that's far different than

01:11:01.980 relationships which we don't have a lot of data on or the fact that oh hey these uh 40 year old or

01:11:07.820 35 year old nba players who are banging all these 21 year old cheerleaders they look real miserable

01:11:12.560 they look like oh man they just they just want to check out don't they boy they look like they're

01:11:18.120 having a real rough time over there right i don't think they are i think that both both parties are

01:11:24.500 getting exactly what they want out of that right because those nba players also have people that cook

01:11:29.660 and clean for them so their only expectation of these women is to fuck them oh yeah yeah you think

01:11:35.220 that a dallas cowboys cheerleader 22 isn't going to wake up in the morning and cook and clean for

01:11:40.680 their quarterback yeah fucking right sell me another they got somebody to do it for them

01:11:45.180 they have some people have people that live in their houses that do that for them yeah but so what

01:11:50.280 but what if they and they're usually married to women i think that the point isn't whether they do

01:11:54.180 or they don't the point is is i think that she would that's my point no i mean she probably would

01:11:58.960 because most again a woman who is willing to take that submissive role to a man is willing to

01:12:06.640 take on those roles for that man but you're saying that every man just has this expectation to fuck

01:12:13.140 whether they're 22 or 54 and you're saying the maturity level i know that this so you're saying

01:12:18.220 your maturity level is the same maturity level of someone who's 20 or 22 i don't think there's ever

01:12:24.160 an equal maturity level between i'm saying no no no i'm saying men was wondering what point we were

01:12:29.220 debating at yeah hang on i don't think that there's ever an equal maturity level and what i'm saying

01:12:34.500 is oh gee older men like to fuck young hot women wow i'm so shocked i'm so surprised this is news to

01:12:41.700 me whoa this is mind-blowing stuff that young hot women are are uh you know being quested after by

01:12:48.960 rich older guys who want to bang them like i'm not shocked by this wait did anyone actually disagree

01:12:53.780 with that i don't think we're arguing the right point or the same point you're saying okay what's

01:12:58.500 your point my point is is that you're saying the maturity level of a 22 year old male is the same

01:13:03.780 maturity level of a 42 year old male that's not what i said you said regardless yes you did you said

01:13:09.560 regardless of if they're 42 or 22 all they want to do is fuck no you're straw manning my argument i said

01:13:15.560 that their expectations of i want my household run are going to be the exact same i think as a 35 year

01:13:22.660 22 year old men don't have a house maturity 22 year old men don't they live in a dirty 22 year old

01:13:29.260 wake up in the morning and say why are you here so let's be for real at the same time i can't hear

01:13:35.720 a word you're saying so it has 22 year old men don't have a household 20 to upkeep okay but let's

01:13:42.940 assume well first of all and even if they did that maybe in this they're telling you to go stop stop stop

01:13:47.380 stop stop lying and coping stop lying and coping yes there are 22 men who do have households yes

01:13:52.940 there are i don't know where you came up with the fact that there aren't but there most certainly are

01:13:56.740 i was under the impression that we were generalizing yeah so that's why i'm saying but in this

01:14:02.400 generalization you you used it as a monolith you said all you said you said they're 22 year old men

01:14:08.300 don't have households yes they do and i think inside those households which they do have they have

01:14:12.400 expectations for how to run just like four-year-old men do but also a lot of 22 year old men aren't

01:14:17.820 expecting a woman to be in it all the time maybe different women but not just the same woman that's

01:14:23.860 100 they're 22 years old they're at their prime they know that they can get any bitch they want and

01:14:28.620 if they wake up and you're still there they're wondering when you're going home yeah that's the

01:14:33.700 difference that's the difference between that and a 44 year old man listen you're you're talking now we

01:14:38.620 are talking past each other so if you're talking about some 22 year old playboy who's banging a

01:14:42.840 bunch of chicks fine we are talking about men who are dating like exclusively with women who are

01:14:49.780 younger than them but let's just say even the same age i think that they still would prefer inside their

01:14:54.760 household that their household be run and kept in certain ways this idea that they they don't somehow

01:15:01.420 because there's an age gap is bizarre to me i don't i don't i don't get that i would think that a man

01:15:06.260 would expect a 22 year old woman or a 35 year old woman to do those things and i don't see why

01:15:11.640 it's outside of the capacity of either to do them i don't i honestly don't get it i guess it just

01:15:16.780 depends on preference and maturity level i think they would all prefer that but expect it less of a

01:15:22.520 younger woman why would they expect it less like how hard is it to do dishes and cook breakfast i mean

01:15:29.220 how old do you need to be because you need to be 31 years old to do some dishes and cook breakfast

01:15:34.100 but according to your argument they're filtering for hotness so her hotness compensates for the

01:15:40.680 fact that she's not willing to wash your dishes right she's got to put in more work than the 35

01:15:46.160 year old who's not as hot because he's filtered for hotness so he might might just be okay with

01:15:52.180 that 44 year old guy i suppose there could be men i suppose that there could be men who give more of a

01:15:58.100 preference to the fact that she's more beautiful and would let things like that slide okay i i guess

01:16:03.720 but i still think that they have an expectation that if they're dating a younger woman she can

01:16:08.600 still do the fucking dishes right i don't think that that's something that they're too concerned

01:16:12.920 about i don't think they're like ah you know uh maybe when you're 30 you can do the dishes and

01:16:17.500 cook breakfast i don't think it's the capability of doing it more so of the intention or the desire

01:16:23.160 to do it right because i know that for myself because i literally lived this at 22 when i was

01:16:29.540 with someone who was 32 everybody that i was friends with was going out to the bar they were drinking

01:16:36.840 every weekend from thursday to sunday whereas i was up keeping a house not many girls my age at that

01:16:44.500 time were willing to or had a desire to do that they were still living with their parents they were

01:16:50.000 working a part-time job they were spending whatever money that they had out at the bars in the

01:16:54.240 yeah but that's not that different than most women in their 30s right and most women in their 30s are

01:16:58.820 still out partying and still living that same lifestyle so i'm not really sure that this kind

01:17:03.400 of maturity argument works right this would just be kind of a case-by-case maybe it's just a hope

01:17:07.860 and i think that we're the more that we're hope hope with an h oh hope i'm sorry go ahead

01:17:14.500 but i also think that you're you're arguing the point of the woman's maturity from 20 to 35 and

01:17:21.660 we're talking about the male's maturity from 20 to 35 you know what i mean so we're talking about it

01:17:27.260 on the male's perspective of like we don't think that a 20 a male in their 20s is going to have the

01:17:33.040 same expectation as a male in their 40s whereas you're saying a female in her 20s and a female in her

01:17:41.340 30s have the same capability or willingness to do these actions you think the distinction and

01:17:46.320 expectation is that's what my that's what the initial question was in her 20s hang on hang on

01:17:51.860 let her answer hang on let her answer what do you think the distinction expectation is between a 22

01:17:57.980 year old man a 35 year old man dating a 22 year old woman i just i think that a male in their 20s

01:18:04.380 has less expectation of a homemaker woman than someone in their 30s would yeah like what like

01:18:12.420 give me specifics children i don't know what oh like up keeping a house up keeping a house so doing

01:18:17.560 the laundry doing the dishes cooking cleaning you know making sure everything is kind of no i

01:18:22.000 completely discount that as being true at all i think that a 22 year old who is in a long-term

01:18:26.840 monogamous relationship with a live-in girlfriend or a wife is going to have the same expectations that

01:18:32.360 she keeps the house up as a 40 year old yeah i mean but didn't you say your initial like motive

01:18:39.440 was like 40 old men only wanted to sleep with 20 year old men because of their looks because she's

01:18:43.520 hot that was the original argument that might be well hang on why she selected for him is irrelevant or

01:18:48.960 why he selected for her is irrelevant i think that 22 year old men also select 22 year old women because

01:18:54.940 they're hot and they want to bang them as well i still think that the expectation here for how they

01:19:00.340 act inside of the home is very similar i wouldn't go over to let's say at a 23 year old friend's house

01:19:06.160 and his wife was there i think he would have the exact same expectation that i would for how my wife

01:19:11.720 would behave as far as you know cooking and cleaning and caring for the house why i wouldn't yeah i mean

01:19:19.080 i think it's just it's gonna be yeah it's gonna be subjective on the person and again it goes back

01:19:25.500 to maturity level so you either have a really mature 22 year old who has this standard of an

01:19:30.540 upkept house or you have a 22 year old who's a complete bachelor and doesn't give a shit what

01:19:34.860 his house looks like rolling stone baby so it's gonna be based yeah but isn't that a goalpost shift

01:19:39.360 so we're talking about people who are in relationships with each other and i've been in this case live in

01:19:46.300 relationships with each other and i find it difficult to believe that a 22 year old married man

01:19:51.580 does not have the expectation that his wife is up keeping the house because she's hot any more

01:19:56.400 than the 40 year old man would have that expectation because she's hot i think they still want their

01:20:00.160 house up kept either way but a 40 year old man who's filtering for a 20 year old woman is not the

01:20:05.840 same as a 22 year old guy who's dating 20 year old filtering for the same thing chick hot

01:20:10.620 well yeah but the 22 year old man makes makes more sense with a 20 year old woman because they're in

01:20:17.240 the same vicinity they're they probably go to college together they probably have seen each

01:20:21.300 other maybe in the same but a 40 year old other direction you said earlier that a 40 year old man

01:20:24.980 who's rich is more likely to filter for a 20 year old which i'm not disagreeing with because money

01:20:29.360 does give men power and leverage because they can get them but i still think they're both selecting

01:20:33.840 for the same thing they're both still selecting for the same thing they're both still selecting for a

01:20:37.820 hot chick whether they're 22 or they're 42 so if they're both going to select for the same chick

01:20:43.060 what i want to hear is why it is they both selected for this chick but do you think they

01:20:48.060 have wildly different expectations for him in their home life i think they might yeah i think

01:20:52.720 that a 40 year old man who makes multiple seven figures has different expectations than a 22 year

01:20:57.020 old college guy good what probably doesn't have a job expectations for her to be hot and to stay hot

01:21:02.440 and to not make him look dumb when he takes her out in public i think a 22 year old man wants the same

01:21:07.120 thing i think a 22 year old man also wants this chick to stay hot and not make him look dumb in public

01:21:11.600 yeah he wants that but i don't think it goes much beyond that because he doesn't have the

01:21:16.080 opportunities that a 40 year old i'm assuming man who makes multiple seven figures has they they have

01:21:22.040 different life experiences what got that man to be where he's at tell me these experiences this is what

01:21:27.240 i keep asking for is these specifics when then when we get on the specifics you go yeah you're right

01:21:31.640 they do want the same thing so i want the actual things that you think that the 40 year old man

01:21:37.280 expects of the 22 year old the 22 year old man doesn't expect i honestly don't think the 40 year

01:21:42.560 old man expects her to do dishes he probably has someone who takes care of that he probably wants

01:21:47.340 her to be nurturing and supportive but i don't think he necessarily i don't think it's a deal breaker i

01:21:51.880 don't think he's going to sit her down and say hey if you don't do the dishes we're going to have

01:21:55.020 a serious issue yeah well i disagree i think that they will i also i think that if you're in a long

01:22:00.520 term monogamous relationship to live in a situation she won't do the dishes i think you'll be like

01:22:06.040 this chick i took on a date where she was folding laundry i mean what do you mean yes they have the

01:22:10.440 expectation their dishes are done i think they do yes i think you would have to demonstrate

01:22:16.200 one motorsports donated two hundred dollars my wife is 11 years younger than i am married 19 years

01:22:24.200 maybe the problem is not with the man but with you oh great you seem very disagreeable

01:22:29.740 might want to work on that i mean there's another one the disagreeableness is another one coming in

01:22:36.240 right now uh sorry guys our our tts was down there grid one i apologize that it didn't come in

01:22:43.320 instantly the tts was messed up my bad man grid one motorsports donated two hundred dollars my wife

01:22:50.320 is 11 years younger than me been married 19 years feminist dating coach you should refund your clients

01:22:57.860 and also let me just get through a couple okay so uh there were two 69s that didn't come through

01:23:03.280 so i'll just read them david treasury act stream looks much better off to sushi off to sushi and pool

01:23:07.720 interesting times best of the whole panel stay cool and keep calm by the way not sure if my comments

01:23:12.460 come through i'll just reading it there for you david thank you man appreciate it oh okay y'all are

01:23:18.520 delusional name one guy whose expectation is she needs to make money pro tip i've never heard of a

01:23:23.740 single one this came through about 15 months ago no one said that literally no one said that

01:23:28.200 come on get boobed yeah i know you know how many guys want to be pimps nowadays this this is kind of

01:23:35.320 alluded to though i kind of agree with get boobed here so what's being what's being alluded to is

01:23:40.880 that the expectation that a 22 year old husband has or a long-term boyfriend has if they're in a

01:23:47.340 living situation with their girl is that she he doesn't want her to do that he doesn't have the

01:23:51.080 expectation going to do the dishes the 40 year old has the expectation going to do the dishes

01:23:55.260 so what is the what are the 22 year old men's expectation let me tell you because i'm actually

01:24:00.600 dating a 22 year old and i am 26 and i have also dated an older man with the older man i was not

01:24:06.060 expected to do dishes he took care of everything and i was just expected to be happy pretty hot and

01:24:12.560 be a good arm candy with my 20 he he did your dishes no he did he did it um so and then my 20 dishes

01:24:19.380 yes so my my 22 year old boyfriend current he does the dishes i do the laundry and

01:24:27.600 go ahead continue continue go ahead i mean just sams maybe it's also a generational gap hold on

01:24:34.780 let her finish go ahead and so it's just like and then i also dated a 34 year old man to answer the

01:24:41.020 tts who expected me and i was actually the breadwinner for two years and supported the entire relationship

01:24:47.560 relationship so different men of different ages do have different expectations but no that sounds

01:24:54.020 like it's anecdotal only in that you had experiences with these men and they had different expectations

01:24:59.620 individually that doesn't mean as a whole the 22 year old men with live-in wives and girlfriends

01:25:04.540 don't expect them to do the dishes that's just ridiculous to me it's ridiculous if you don't mind

01:25:09.820 where are you getting your data from you i'm sorry um i'm curious when you're when you're saying data

01:25:16.460 you made the claim did i make the claim or did you make you're making the claim that the 22 year old and

01:25:22.180 the 40 year old have the same expectations i'm just curious no what i said to you specifically was this

01:25:27.160 if it is true that they have different expectations what is the distinction in the expectations they have

01:25:32.840 you said doing the dishes you don't expect that the 22 year old would have the expectation

01:25:38.220 that the dishes are done to the 40 year old would that is a you claim for you to demonstrate i can't prove a negative

01:25:44.960 what what i don't we're not i don't i still don't believe you keep referring to live-in wife long term

01:25:55.980 and i don't think that's where the initial conversation was being had it was just the general expectation

01:26:05.180 in that age range so think of someone in their 40s the generation that they grew up in they saw

01:26:12.220 their parents the mother was the homemaker and the father was the provider so in that generation that

01:26:18.920 expectation again is that the woman cooks cleans takes care of the children etc someone who's currently

01:26:25.680 in their 20s sees this dynamic of both people are equal right because that's how kind of the world is

01:26:32.720 right now whether that's what you agree with or not that's just kind of you know how everybody is

01:26:38.060 nowadays so also someone in their 20s is most more than likely in college living in a dorm room does

01:26:45.360 not have a household to upkeep and that's just you know in the grand scheme of it i'm not saying

01:26:50.480 everybody in their 20s doesn't have a house so if you're thinking about it in that sense someone who

01:26:55.380 is in their 40s generationally would expect the person that they're dating regardless of age

01:27:01.880 to uphold a house someone in their 20s who is in college partying every weekend is not thinking

01:27:08.920 about whether their laundry is getting done they're thinking about fucking yeah but i don't understand why

01:27:13.660 that wouldn't be true regardless of the age so so that's what i don't that's that hang on hang on let

01:27:22.260 me ask the question like i can't can i at least ask the question so i i don't actually understand

01:27:30.000 why that would that would have anything to do with the age gap so you're saying and let me make sure i

01:27:36.000 steel man this so i get it right you're saying that women in their 20s are often party girls

01:27:41.000 and so men who approach party girls in their 20s don't have that expectation is that basically

01:27:47.460 what you're saying i'm talking about am i getting this way off no you're okay then what are you

01:27:52.820 saying rephrase it in a way that maybe i'll understand it better i don't know i'm talking

01:27:56.940 about the men in the scenario a man in their 40s generally generationally is going to expect a woman

01:28:05.880 to upkeep a house because that's what in their at their age probably they have a house to maintain

01:28:12.160 and they have they're at the point in their life axa bullet donated 200 i am a 37 years old male

01:28:20.200 dated a woman for three years she was 38 in three years i was the only one cooking slash cleaning

01:28:26.600 dishes laundry last week i kicked her out for failing to meet expectations andrew is right i'm

01:28:34.260 literally saying the same thing yeah but i i are you saying the same thing i want to make sure that

01:28:39.740 we that i do understand exactly what you're saying here so bullet is 37 years old yeah go ahead one

01:28:45.320 year of a guy axo bullet is 37 years old he said that he kicked his significant other out of the house

01:28:52.140 because she was not cooking cleaning and doing the laundry regardless of her age because they were

01:28:57.360 living together right and this is the part that i don't get so my thing is is someone in their 20s

01:29:04.760 is not is more than likely not prioritizing keeping up a household right in their 20s

01:29:13.480 they're probably in college they probably live in a dorm room and they're out partying well then

01:29:18.580 they're not living together well then your comparison is not analogous okay but we're never

01:29:23.800 talking about that we were just talking about someone in their 40s this is the problem right

01:29:29.100 this is a null conversation because i don't think no it's not a null conversation it's just that

01:29:33.200 you're making a really bad comparison if you're in your 40s you're probably looking for somebody to

01:29:37.520 date and live in the house with you i'm not sure why if you're in your 20s you're not looking for that

01:29:41.580 you're just filibustering right let us finish our conversation here relax let us finish our

01:29:48.220 conversation so uh yeah i mean you can mock but i mean she was nice enough to let you

01:29:53.780 finish so anyway back to this the reason that this is not analogous is because if i bake into a

01:29:59.960 hypothetical the same thing oh these two 40 year old people don't have a house and aren't living

01:30:04.220 together i think the expectation is wildly different again so i don't i don't understand

01:30:09.340 how you're making the comparison of okay well these people are living in a dorm so therefore

01:30:14.120 the expectation is different well of course it's different right but if he was living in a dorm

01:30:18.280 at 35 it would be different too no one lives in a dorm at 35 in college at 35 okay okay well

01:30:24.900 but do you understand the point of the logic you're wrong so the only the only reason it wouldn't

01:30:31.200 matter if it's impossible for a 35 year old to live in a dorm the logic is if they did the expectation

01:30:37.460 would be different the only reason i'm saying that the conversation is now null is because your

01:30:42.340 initial statement was is that a male in his 40s and a male in his 20s the only thing that they expect

01:30:48.580 from a woman is to fuck and i'm saying no that's not what i said yes that is what you said no no it's

01:30:54.660 not what i said i said that their expect i said that their expectations are going to be similar when

01:31:00.740 it comes to the selection of hotness that's what i said is it not that the only thing they want to do

01:31:07.860 have sex that's not what i said lone star donated two hundred dollars andrew is talking about the

01:31:14.140 framework in the selection for a relationship panel is hung up on the change in preferences over time

01:31:20.400 it is a bit of a sophist waste to say but things change hey lone star thank you man appreciate it

01:31:26.440 really quick so we were going around the table on what's your age and what's the oldest guy you would

01:31:34.360 date we got to you we got interrupted while we have you answer the i think you answered the

01:31:39.520 question correct you didn't answer go ahead i've only dated my age but i think the oldest i would go

01:31:46.140 is seven years older than me okay and so you're 32 so that would be 39 okay what about you uh i would

01:31:55.800 say 24 so you're 18 max 24 what about you um i'm 23 i guess the oldest i would go is anything below 30

01:32:07.280 okay because you did say you are against age gap relationships i am i i am i'll get into that

01:32:13.240 in just a moment john's underscore myth donated two hundred dollars are the line more like out of line

01:32:21.000 boom boom roasted yo john thank you for the tts appreciate it thank you thank you uh so you're

01:32:28.620 against uh actually let me just get everyone's answers go ahead uh 23 my max is from five to seven

01:32:33.820 years okay i would say max like 10 years okay so you said sorry you said 23 max would be what um i

01:32:42.000 guess 29 28 okay and you said you're against age gap relationships yes why um i just i see a lot

01:32:49.020 of people that date like you know 20 year olds dating 40 year olds 20 year olds dating you know

01:32:54.180 40 and above and i don't know that just that's like my dad's age so that kind of gives me a very

01:32:59.900 creepy vibe a very ick vibe why is it creepy just because i think like like let's say if my dad ever

01:33:07.800 divorced my mom and he ended up dating someone younger like i i just it would make me very

01:33:12.720 uncomfortable and so i just think it's a very i don't even know how to explain that it's it's um

01:33:20.740 like oh now you're dating my friend sorry now you're dating my friend like we went to high school

01:33:26.240 together and you're dating her but you had a great example that was yeah does it fall into like

01:33:30.660 religion what well well it could yeah in what term how would that what do you mean i'm not sure how

01:33:37.440 that makes follows at all but okay well i mean like you know if an if you think about it like an

01:33:46.260 older man they have more experience and like if you are more like in the religion wise wouldn't you

01:33:52.520 want someone to be in the same field or no i think just because you're older that doesn't make you more

01:33:58.500 experienced or smarter or anything that um like that okay okay uh so i'm just i've really not

01:34:11.240 really heard any compelling arguments as to why it's wrong or creepy because i don't think anyone

01:34:17.360 said that she literally said it's creepy it does creep me out and then actually you co-signed when you

01:34:23.040 said well what if we like she could have also at the time i was in high school she could have also

01:34:28.940 been in high school even though we're talking about i didn't say it was creepy i just said that

01:34:32.680 that's a little bit weird like okay weird creepy well no no because you could do that because there's

01:34:37.240 a lot of people that are like oh i want to date older man so i can't be mad at you for wanting to

01:34:41.840 date a 40 year old guy just why is it my dad you feel me okay that's another that exactly that's a

01:34:47.820 different conversation that's why that's what i was saying a bit more from you on this go ahead

01:34:51.120 um yeah i guess i just i personally mean i'm not comfortable with that i would like

01:34:57.900 someone within my own age range somebody that um i guess i could relate to a little more and

01:35:04.920 i don't know it's just my preference you'd you'd want someone you can relate to well no that doesn't

01:35:11.740 i guess i could relate to somebody a little bit older but i don't think just because i don't know

01:35:17.480 i personally would be pretty creeped out i i don't think my family my parents would be okay

01:35:23.760 with that as well and that's very important to me would you date ryan reynolds no i would not

01:35:28.100 i don't care if he's america's sweetheart or whatever 47 no why do you keep bringing him up

01:35:35.000 yeah i feel like a lot of girls i think a lot of girls think that he's got a good personality

01:35:41.700 funny charming successful uh in good shape status celebrity a list movie star i don't know i think a

01:35:51.640 lot of henry henry cavill cavill or whatever the fuck he's also kind of superman superman

01:35:57.560 yeah so okay it's creepy it's weird i mean it goes back to being subjective right everyone has

01:36:05.080 their personal preferences everyone has their thing their kinks their whatever so it's like

01:36:09.560 if it's for you it's for you if it's not so there's there's there's a couple angles here so there's

01:36:14.180 there's of course how women feel about it and then there's different criticisms there's like well

01:36:21.100 it's weird but then there's also well older men should date women their own age that's another

01:36:27.080 argument i sometimes hear i've yet to actually hear a compelling argument in term of in terms of

01:36:32.660 the benefits to the man why he should date a 35 year old woman over a 25 year old woman who's almost

01:36:40.300 surely going to be more physically attractive or because is it just about attraction i mean okay well

01:36:46.760 that's why i have nothing to say that's why you date people because you're attracted to them

01:36:49.840 i've dated an ugly person but they were good you're attracted to them in some capacity yeah so you

01:36:55.360 could be attracted to a 35 year old woman because she she's nice she does everything that you ever

01:37:00.680 expected a woman to do for you she okay so she's hot still and she's 35 so sure yes you can still be

01:37:07.680 attractive at 35 that's not the argument i'm making what i'm making is is that i've yet to hear an actual

01:37:13.520 compelling argument in terms of the actual tangible articulable benefits to the man for dating a 35

01:37:22.080 year old woman versus a 25 year old woman i don't think there is a benefit i mean if you put them

01:37:27.120 side by side if you put a 25 year old woman and a 35 year old woman and they have the exact same

01:37:31.860 characteristics mature not take mature off because no one cares about that apparently but beautiful

01:37:37.080 kind passionate about something like actually has a purpose in her life other than him if you put them

01:37:43.100 side by side and he had to choose definitely the 25 year old why not but i think that if you're filtering

01:37:50.280 for that everything else aside that's what i was saying earlier is a little bit like if you're if

01:37:56.100 you don't even if we're just type talking hypothetically like i just want a 20 year old

01:37:59.840 but but i mean if you see a hot 30 year old like are you going to say sorry no because you're actually

01:38:05.220 30 so i'm going to i'm going to pass on this one if everything else is there but if again if you put

01:38:10.240 them side by side and they're exactly the same that's like saying for a woman if you had two men

01:38:14.600 side by side he's kind he's loyal to you he's funny he continues to court you one's a millionaire

01:38:20.140 one is broke who would you choose it's obvious everyone's going to choose the guy who can take

01:38:25.760 care of her also financially so yeah i don't think anyone's making a compelling argument because it's

01:38:31.180 not compelling so i don't think the 25 year old is more attractive so i don't think these men that

01:38:34.740 would be inclined to date a 20 year old woman and they're in their 30s or whatever i don't think

01:38:39.360 they would necessarily be opposed to dating an attractive woman who met their standards who's

01:38:45.580 30 for example i think we're more so talking about the general uh a more general point of view here

01:38:53.980 where men have a tendency to also find women who are in their early 20s attractive and might prefer

01:39:03.000 them uh over in terms of finding them physically attractive over women in their 30s which is fair

01:39:09.060 because they're at their peak but also i think it's a little bit easier to shape a woman that

01:39:14.940 hasn't been through as much as a 35 year old woman like if you're so she's got a bunch of you're talking

01:39:20.340 about baggage yeah yeah you can say oh i don't like this and i want you to do it this way and depending

01:39:26.660 on how you treat her she'll do it differently in in comparison to a 35 woman who's been with a man

01:39:32.420 that's like that and it didn't work out for her does that make sense does that make sense like

01:39:38.800 a girl who hasn't been through that it's easier to shape than a woman that's already been through

01:39:43.200 like a woman who's submissive essentially younger women are more capable of being submissive not

01:39:49.700 necessarily because there are a lot of independent strong-headed women but but there is a bigger

01:39:56.420 possibility that you could get a woman that you could make do what you want to do at a younger age

01:40:03.640 than if they were older and mature and they've already been through a situation like that just like

01:40:07.920 how you would count it with bodies you say oh that kind of brings that kind of brings down

01:40:13.660 maddie could you read it dating coach my arse at 35 all the women in my dating pool were broken as

01:40:21.120 blank i dated younger because their value not just looks you many was much higher less baggage not as

01:40:28.660 broken so is is he saying that the 20 year olds were had more money than the 35 year olds

01:40:34.760 is that they are more hustlers no he said they're not just beautiful but also have less baggage

01:40:40.500 less baggage yeah i brought that up same with body count so it's funny because in and this is just

01:40:48.920 being devil's advocate here because i agree with what you're saying obviously when comparing a 20 year

01:40:53.440 old and a 30 year old especially if they're looking for children and a family and longevity they're

01:40:57.740 going to pick the 20 year old over the 30 year old that's simple but it's funny because men look at

01:41:03.780 older women as having baggage and more to them but women look at older men as have being had more

01:41:13.520 experiences so it's like what men look for in women is completely different than what women look for in

01:41:20.060 men so like when a woman is looking for an older man she's looking for something someone that has

01:41:24.200 experience someone that has or is able to provide security and safety for them whereas a man is looking

01:41:30.240 for different things so it's just clear that we look for different qualities in the opposite sex

01:41:36.620 i think part of that has to do like when men go through difficult things in life whether it be

01:41:42.380 relationship wise or they go through some trials tribulations it tends to make them more masculine

01:41:48.340 they become stronger they become tougher and when women become stronger and tougher and they've been

01:41:54.400 through more things they become more masculine too unless so when you go through more like

01:41:59.880 potentially uh traumatic things you you becomes well i mean it can break people too but you become

01:42:07.520 stronger right more masculine whatever so but women seem to be more prone to internalize trauma long

01:42:13.880 term than men do as well so they hold on to these kind of trauma-filled events much more than men seem to

01:42:19.940 and so when you're looking at it from that aspect i think that that is even the distinction that we

01:42:24.980 would make between the masculine and the feminine in the case of trauma is that men are able to shrug

01:42:30.280 it off seemingly a bit easier than women are it's true you have thoughts on this i don't know i i don't

01:42:38.380 think that i don't agree with that i think men well i don't know i mean i think it's different with

01:42:44.800 each man but i think they just don't show it as much as women either talk about it or show it still

01:42:51.020 affects them the same also in a different generation if we've noticed uh if if i could be

01:42:57.120 completely honest younger men have became more soft than what you would have expected a man to be

01:43:03.420 in a different generation

01:43:05.000 yeah yeah because you have to think like a man 10 years older than morgan is 28 a man 10 years

01:43:13.920 older than me is 38 so they're they grew up i would say in completely different generations and

01:43:19.680 they're going to act completely different so that's it's super interesting to get your point

01:43:23.220 of view because a man 10 years older than me that i'm going to go after is going to be completely

01:43:27.760 different than i'm not going after a guy my age because of the way he is and you're essentially

01:43:32.920 going after a guy my age do you get what i'm saying so it's just like i got a question i don't

01:43:37.340 i don't actually think that men in your age group even at 18 internalize trauma the same way that women

01:43:42.520 do they don't seem to be on the same amount of antidepressants even at your age they don't seem to

01:43:47.040 have because they won't get help the same amount of of cope when it comes to trauma even at 18 19 20

01:43:52.820 that's not what uh what the data is bearing out right they don't seem to internalize trauma even

01:43:58.060 then the same way i definitely do think that men and women handle it differently but i also think

01:44:02.840 generationally it's handled slightly different as well very minimal but i would say i'm i'm 100%

01:44:10.460 agreeing with you that women internalize it differently than men but i also think that

01:44:15.360 men nowadays are more emotional than men well do you think that they're um they're more emotional or

01:44:23.660 do you think or do you think they want to be more emotional or do you think that they're told

01:44:27.200 that kind of this feminized expectation of no it is okay to share your emotions which is always a bad

01:44:32.540 idea for men to do um don't you think that that's a kind of um a feminized outlook where

01:44:39.340 the kind of uh feminists are pushing that men get more in touch with their feminist side even though

01:44:44.440 they themselves seem to hate when they actually do because if you think about it like think of like

01:44:50.180 my father and my grandfather it's like a boy cries and it's like toughen up but nowadays it's like

01:44:56.600 they get upset and it's like no honey it's okay to cry so it's again that's generational like

01:45:02.700 nowadays you have thoughts on this go ahead um i just think that i don't think men are i mean

01:45:08.180 obviously like a man crying they're like oh that's like some men are going to be like that's like you're

01:45:12.880 a child like you're acting like a child but or whatever i don't think that is a bad thing like

01:45:20.500 i don't think that's a bad thing to show your emotions i think that shows that you're emotionally

01:45:25.120 available oh yeah sure so when the firefighter shows up to put out the fire you want him to cry or

01:45:30.760 there's no reason to cry saving everyone yeah if he if he yeah if he's crying because somebody got

01:45:36.600 hurt and he couldn't save them that's different than if he's just crying because it's fire right but

01:45:41.480 you're talking about emotional stability versus not the reason that men are told not to cry and the

01:45:47.740 reason that they're told not to share their feelings and make themselves overly emotionally

01:45:52.020 available to women especially by other men is because they have to act under conditions which

01:45:57.180 are highly stressful and highly emotional and they need to be able to control that whereas women

01:46:02.000 generally do not women aren't the ones who are going to run in the building and pull men out

01:46:06.060 even if they see a baby who's on fire and if they know they don't look at me skeptically they're not

01:46:11.360 there's no women firefighters are going to pull out 250 pound men it's not going to happen

01:46:15.760 ever it doesn't happen almost anywhere so why are women being drafted bizarre rare flu but anyway

01:46:21.880 so so this aside uh yeah they're they're told to control their emotions because of that

01:46:28.220 because if they're in a situation which is highly stressful they can't collapse under that weight

01:46:32.960 yeah i think there's situations where you shouldn't be you can control your emotions

01:46:37.540 but that doesn't mean that they can't express their emotions in other situations

01:46:42.380 yeah perhaps they can right but the more that you train a person to become too emotionally expressive

01:46:48.940 to break down their kind of stoic frame if you will the more likely that there are to do that

01:46:55.120 even under situations which are highly stressful so if you're a person who controls your emotions

01:47:00.460 you're less prone to act on the only reason a man should cry is if there is smoke in his eyes

01:47:07.280 women have feminized men and now hate the men they have created do better the patriarchy is here to

01:47:14.480 help repent your feminist ways he's a brave and a decent man he's a pioneer yeah i think you're a good

01:47:20.320 one appreciate it wait so you guys just uh just to finish it off just very quickly what i was saying

01:47:25.120 um is that the more that you break your frame let's just call it a stoic frame that's not really

01:47:30.660 accurate but i think it's accurate enough the more that you break that the more prone you will be to

01:47:35.480 break that even under a highly stressful situation do you understand what i'm saying yeah yeah okay

01:47:42.440 so you guys think that um actually right let's do twitch really quick guys go to twitch.tv slash

01:47:51.780 whatever drops the follow drops the prime sub twitch.tv slash whatever drops the follow drops

01:47:56.640 the prime sub uh oh it's been it's guys it's been one minute since we got our last prime i'm pretty

01:48:02.280 sure it's bugged if you guys could like maybe do a little quick test test it out or something you know

01:48:06.160 and uh drops the following the prime sub if you have one appreciate it guys thank you thank you

01:48:09.600 thank you rc appreciate it wait so okay do you guys think that it's good for men do you want a guy to

01:48:15.680 be vulnerable i hate that word vulnerable i don't i don't like that difference between emotion

01:48:22.120 emotional stability and emotional maturity right so you want someone to be emotionally stable

01:48:31.000 because that means that they're able to handle their emotions in certain situations but emotional

01:48:37.020 maturity is understanding what situation you can be and should be emotional in so there's a difference

01:48:44.700 between the two so it's i would want someone who's emotionally mature because they know when

01:48:52.340 and how to express it if needed but i also think it's important for someone to be emotionally stable

01:48:58.060 because then they know how to control their emotions okay so you were maybe touching on this

01:49:05.720 with the you want a guy to be vulnerable or um i mean yeah i don't want him to be like

01:49:11.600 every day crying having a mental breakdown but yes be vulnerable yeah i agree with that see i don't

01:49:18.680 think like this whole idea of men should be open with their emotions or whatever men should be

01:49:24.180 vulnerable i actually think it's you say that but it's not true you lose attraction to a guy if he's

01:49:32.280 vulnerable i just think we mean it in different ways it's only gotten bad because men like we we say

01:49:38.600 that it's okay to be vulnerable but then they just don't know how to control their emotions

01:49:41.960 that's exactly well it's not even that you just don't want you're not attracted to weak men

01:49:46.160 why are you not attracted it depends how you handle your emotions no one's gonna call you weak

01:49:51.860 let's go let's kind of test this i think we can maybe test this and see if this is true or not so

01:49:56.860 uh you said um i'm sorry the the gal with red hair i'm terrible with names i didn't catch yours

01:50:02.960 what'd you say your name was sammy okay tammy sammy uh when say sammy sorry uh so when you say

01:50:09.740 emotional maturity when it's okay when it's not okay for men to express emotions what situations do

01:50:16.440 you think men should express emotions in i would say if it's a you know a conversation between a couple

01:50:21.980 talking about you know relationship boundaries or you know feelings within the relationship yeah that

01:50:32.380 is you know i would want you to express your emotions about how you feel about me or if

01:50:38.140 there's a concern or something like that but if you're just going to cry because something went wrong

01:50:43.680 that's out of your control out of my control then so it sounds like you still want a stoic frame

01:50:50.640 oh and that's what i'm saying yeah i want you to tell me how you emotionally feel but i don't want

01:50:55.720 you to actually express the emotion behind how you feel no that's not in front of people really so so

01:51:01.700 you would prefer if your man came over to you and said listen what you just did made me really angry

01:51:06.160 versus going over to you and going i am so fucking pissed would you prefer absolutely donated two

01:51:13.160 hundred dollars i wonder if your mother and father would have been together if your fathers were as

01:51:18.800 feminized as they are trying to make them today if you know how your parents met can you share that

01:51:24.520 story please so it's actually really funny that the person says that because my family dynamic was

01:51:31.340 very different hold on hold on hold on hold on we're in the middle of a conversation killer of

01:51:36.540 cereal i'll ask it later if you really want to know how grid one motorsports donated two hundred

01:51:44.020 dollars i thought about crying once then i rubbed some dirt on it realized i was not a pussy

01:51:50.400 and drove the foo con if your man cries make sure to share your kotex with him

01:51:56.380 so okay look when it comes to this whole idea so back to the expression of the emotion

01:52:02.020 how which way would you prefer that he expressed that i would rather him come up to me and be like

01:52:07.440 hey what you did just made me angry that's not really expressing the emotion that's suppressing

01:52:12.320 the emotion do you see the difference that's what hang on hang on that is a suppression of the

01:52:18.640 emotion not an expression of it if he expressed it then he would be actually angry and show you how

01:52:25.060 angry he was that would be an expression what you're actually talking about is a stoic expression

01:52:30.140 of emotion what you're talking about is emotional stability if someone has to lash out because they're

01:52:36.200 angry that's because they don't have control of their emotions but if that's right they have the

01:52:42.000 ability to talk about it so their expression of their emotion to you has to be done without the emotion

01:52:49.180 that's what i'm saying but you're agreeing with me but trying to debate with no no no you're wrong

01:52:54.540 you're just flat out wrong when you say emotional maturity right what you're actually doing is

01:52:59.260 agreeing with me when i say a stoic frame you you actually don't want men to express their emotions

01:53:04.980 but you're also you want them to you want them to express that they have them but not actually express

01:53:10.320 them but you're also only talking about the emotion of anger right yeah i think you're not talking

01:53:15.980 about any other your example was anger if i if your man comes to you and says listen honey

01:53:20.600 right what you did uh you embarrassed me in front of some guy right that that really hurt my feelings

01:53:27.060 right and i would prefer if you didn't do that in the future because that's what it did right as

01:53:31.600 opposed to when you hurt his feelings he started acting like he was you know uh flustered and

01:53:37.960 flabbergasted and he was super upset and this type of thing stuff that we would normally excuse for

01:53:42.740 women um you would not excuse for him you would you would expect him to express this from a stoic

01:53:49.140 angle right and just say to you later look you wouldn't you'd want to break down if he was upset

01:53:53.660 about something if he was upset about something and he was so upset about it that it made him emotional

01:53:58.920 then so be it if i have the ability to be emotional and cry about it do you think i'm lying to you

01:54:06.240 what benefit yeah i don't think any women i think that's terrible advice for men yeah i think that

01:54:10.600 saying to men that you would prefer that they acted um uh you know in in a way where they started

01:54:16.460 to break down emotionally right even especially publicly or they started to cry or they started

01:54:22.380 to kind of um you know in some way break that stoic frame i think that you would not appreciate it

01:54:27.880 any more than you would the anger that's your narrative you asked me a question and i gave you

01:54:33.360 my answer but because my answer didn't fit your narrative you didn't like it well your answer does

01:54:38.320 well actually your answer is inconsistent because in the anger portion you say i would prefer

01:54:42.820 when he's angry not to express that right why i said that was the difference between emotional

01:54:48.940 maturity and emotional stability why would that not be emotional maturity when it came to sadness as

01:54:53.440 well it could be either way anger is more you asked me which one i preferred obviously i don't want

01:54:59.800 someone to scream at me yeah my point is but if he screamed at me then would i be upset about it

01:55:04.540 but we would talk about it the expression from a stoic frame of emotion seems to be your preference

01:55:09.840 if he he can be stoic if he wants to be you asked me if i preferred to be yelled at or if i can

01:55:16.020 prefer to be confronted obviously i'm going to prefer to not be yelled at anybody would prefer that

01:55:21.800 but in terms of emotion and sadness let me finish what i'm saying in the term of sadness if he wants

01:55:29.660 to cry about it he can cry about it and we can talk about it if he wants to be stoic again that

01:55:33.920 that's the person right however they want to express their emotional maturity and emotional stability

01:55:39.900 that's fine you asked me if i prefer to be yelled at or if i prefer to be yelling at you he's just

01:55:44.460 yelling you're still yelling or maybe he's just maybe he's just not even yelling but he's just

01:55:50.380 really angry when he says a thing he just says listen this really pissed me off it made me mad

01:55:56.720 that's not him yelling he's just expressing this emotion but it's not a comfortable emotion to

01:56:02.300 express your comparison was that made me fucking angry or that made me angry yeah obviously i'm

01:56:08.200 gonna prefer not even then let's well let's go back to we'll just dial it back right we'll dial the

01:56:12.760 yelling back he's not yelling but he's just he has an anger in his voice when he's talking to you

01:56:17.440 because you made him angry wouldn't you prefer that that was gone as well no and that he just

01:56:22.240 stoically delivered to you that you made him angry not now you're switching it up reference

01:56:26.220 you're you're switching it up your initial comparison trying to follow your line of logic

01:56:31.800 that's right right because it doesn't fit your narrative that's okay what does that mean fit my

01:56:35.920 narrative do you know what logic is yeah okay if you know what logic is then tell me the three laws

01:56:41.440 of it the original thing that brian asked stop stop if you know what logic is then tell me what

01:56:48.540 the general definition of logic i'm sorry i don't know the the yeah you don't so here's the thing

01:56:53.820 right back off on the narrative building what i'm trying to do is try i'm trying to walk through

01:56:59.500 whether or not you actually would prefer a stoic frame on a man ultimately if we follow your world

01:57:05.960 view through you're switching after i already answered your question you're switching up your

01:57:13.620 question yeah that's how i test continue to test the logic that's right okay and i said that i had

01:57:20.000 already answered based on my understanding of your question do i want to be yelled at so i can continue

01:57:26.860 to test the logic okay so you already got my answer though but why are we still talking about the same

01:57:32.460 exact thing this is the one thing okay well it's really weird you're a great speaker but this is

01:57:36.580 one thing that i don't appreciate about you you dig at the same thing to get a different answer so that

01:57:42.120 it fits your logic yeah so what are the you really realize that when you're testing somebody's logical

01:57:47.780 consistency it may require multiple questions right yeah but when it doesn't follow suit with what you

01:57:54.040 believe in yeah then so so think of it like a tree that's a logical tree that's what it's called

01:57:59.860 so you go down branch one and you go oh okay now we understand where that position it leads we go

01:58:05.760 down branch two now we know where that position leads branch three now we know where that position

01:58:09.880 leads but we're all moving the logic towards whatever the conclusion of the position is it's

01:58:14.920 not narrative building it's just me trying to actually figure out your positions it's not even

01:58:18.880 being mean i'm just literally trying to figure out your positions right and i said that i would just

01:58:24.020 prefer someone be emotionally stable and emotionally mature and be able to talk about what they're

01:58:28.980 feeling if they want to cry about it that's great if they want that's what we're testing

01:58:32.500 that's what we're testing by going down these different yeah that's what we're testing by

01:58:36.280 going down these different branches and questions right you see what i'm saying yes yeah so there's

01:58:41.680 a there's a difference between you expressing that is what you want but then based on answers

01:58:45.320 to questions it may not actually be that's why that's why that's occurring so i mean i'm fine

01:58:51.500 moving on but i'm just letting you know so i wanted to have a bit of back and forth on this

01:58:55.920 going back i guess to the vulnerability thing i think from a dating lens from a dating frame

01:59:01.140 so this idea that you guys are cool or okay with men who might be vulnerable or show their emotions

01:59:10.100 or even well i don't know if weak is the right word here but i want to ask you all a question would

01:59:17.220 you prefer a guy to approach you in a confident manner or for a guy to approach you super nervous

01:59:24.160 a little shaky eye contacts all over the place tremble in his voice lip quivering which would you

01:59:32.660 prefer no i could both yeah okay both okay both because they're like oh wow like he's i'm making him

01:59:40.340 anxious i'm making him nervous and that's like you're showing that so to me i can see your effort

01:59:46.460 so that is attractive but i do enjoy confidence what about you yeah i would agree nervousness

01:59:52.940 wouldn't deflect me but i would prefer confidence okay

01:59:56.160 i'm just gonna go ahead and go with confidence because i'm also confident and i wouldn't like

02:00:06.980 to come off to you as a lip quivering bitch so yeah confidence i would say confident too confident

02:00:17.280 uh confident but something about a man being like his knees shaking in front of you just makes you

02:00:26.320 feel like yeah i'm that bitch so well that's an okay hold on just to be clear there's a difference

02:00:31.640 between an ego boost and you feeling like you're the shit because this guy's a little pussy in front of

02:00:37.720 you and he's like simping over you versus this guy's really fucking attractive okay that's what

02:00:47.160 overconfident is like stressful i'm not saying overconfident but is it i mean am i wrong to state

02:00:52.720 that women are attracted to confident men no no i think no no yeah like most women say they like

02:00:58.180 confident guys yeah i don't want to go out with somebody that's going to stand in the corner like

02:01:02.000 everybody thinks i'm ugly like most men would probably most men giving their own experience

02:01:09.040 would say when it comes to their success with women do they they have a higher success rate

02:01:15.280 when they're confident or do they have a higher success rate when they're fucking quivering and

02:01:21.040 nervous and shaky their eye contacts all fucked up bottom lips all shaking uh stumbling over their words

02:01:28.620 nervous stuttering etc i would suspect most men anecdotally would say i have more success with

02:01:35.180 women when i step confidently i'm uh steadfast i'm certain in myself but also doesn't that just come

02:01:41.680 with like a first experience like because if i've known you for a long time and you've always been

02:01:47.100 this sort of confident person and one day you come to me and you're a little bit nervous about

02:01:51.740 this situation i'm not gonna fucking push you to the side because this one time that you were nervous

02:01:56.140 so i feel like that has more to do with like what's going on right now like if i just met you

02:02:02.360 and you say oh i want to be with you like you're gonna be with me i'm the hottest out okay well maybe

02:02:07.820 i will but a couple months down the line if you're like no i know what i need to do and you need to be

02:02:13.480 on the same page as me i'm not as attracted to you as the same way i was when i first met you and you

02:02:18.900 were just confident in yourself because sometimes confidence can also be confused

02:02:24.480 oh okay lone star donated two hundred dollars thank you lone star andrew i think you missed on

02:02:31.340 red hair's worldview wouldn't a better question been how much emotion is allowed it sounds like

02:02:37.320 she wants an emotional man but prefers little emotional it's hard to say she shut the inquiry

02:02:42.500 down so i was happy to continue with the inquiry but if you shut the inquiry down i don't know where

02:02:46.720 to go with that if you're just like well i already answered one of the questions so therefore i'm done

02:02:51.060 with the inquiry i don't i don't know where to go with that

02:02:52.940 he definitely has the right so i when i think of a relationship dynamic i am the submissive and he is

02:03:04.460 the dominant right so he is the protector he is my security he's my safety blanket things like that

02:03:10.600 i am the nurturer i am the homemaker so if he majority of the time has to be this dominant alpha

02:03:18.740 role right i'm okay with certain situations him being emotionally available and vulnerable i'm not

02:03:28.380 gonna think less of him as a person or less of him in this dominance role because he shows emotional

02:03:35.280 availability at times right obviously if someone's breaking into our house that's where his dominance

02:03:41.120 needs to step in and the security needs to be you know presented but then if there's a situation after

02:03:47.180 the fact where he's like hey you know i was nervous and i was scared for you know i was scared yeah okay

02:03:53.820 talk to me about it but in that moment you stepped up and you played your role so yeah sure but there's a

02:03:59.640 time and a place yeah i mean that makes sense to me but wouldn't you agree that the more often that

02:04:06.080 a man kind of steps out of that role to be emotionally vulnerable uh the less likely he will be over time

02:04:12.300 if those other situations do arise to keep the stoic frame to protect you to do those things right and

02:04:17.620 that's why i'm saying it's very situational like for again i said i'm the submissive one you're the

02:04:22.500 dominant one so you should be dominant majority of the time and i am going to be the submissive one

02:04:26.780 majority of the time so i don't want you walking around crying all the time because that's just

02:04:32.260 not the type of person i'm attracted to yeah you would prefer that stoic frame exactly yeah sammy

02:04:38.060 it sounded like you were saying that you want a man who can express his emotions but that knows when

02:04:42.300 and how much would yeah to express those like so someone said if he's expressing love would you want

02:04:48.380 him to like hug you and make eye contact and show with his body language that he loves you or would

02:04:53.060 you prefer that he's just like super stoic no facial expression robotic the physical contact

02:04:57.980 okay cool so that's what you were saying yeah yeah emotional maturity exactly

02:05:02.500 okay uh maddie can you read this one ladies wise feminism called feminism when feminists want

02:05:11.140 equality when it comes to masculinity shouldn't feminism be called female masculinism

02:05:16.660 i honestly don't know because i'm not a feminist why not well i just feel like there's such like

02:05:28.820 i feel like if you call yourself a feminist the feminists really like dig at you and be like

02:05:34.740 the feminists that i've known are like really complete man haters and like kill them all and all

02:05:41.880 that stuff and personally i'm not that type of person who'd be like oh oh i'm against all men you

02:05:47.320 know um and i feel like because there's just so much so many meanings behind feminists even a feminist

02:05:53.560 can't even define what a feminist is so i personally if i don't know the knowledge behind it i'm not

02:05:59.640 going to call myself a feminist all right but okay so if you're saying that a feminist is only hating all

02:06:05.480 men wouldn't that just make them a lesbian no no i'm really i'm really confused because why is it

02:06:11.720 why is it all men i'm really confused from how that's what feminists feminists that's from coming

02:06:17.240 from my personal experience where the feminists that i've met who said hey i'm a feminist when they talk

02:06:22.680 about men they are like complete like man haters and i'm not a man hater yeah so i i've never met a

02:06:31.240 feminist who can really define the meaning behind what a feminist is they always talk about equality

02:06:37.880 but then they talk about men so it's like okay does that work it's not double-sided around the table

02:06:43.480 and see who here considers themselves a feminist no no can you give me the the definition of a feminist

02:06:54.280 and then i'll answer my question there's so many different definitions you can give me one

02:06:59.400 well do you want do you want my charitable definition or do you want sure what i actually

02:07:06.520 think feminism is uh you're the first one okay my charitable definition of what feminist well okay

02:07:13.080 there's what feminism purports to be there's my charitable definition and then there's also what i think

02:07:18.280 it actually is you could tell me both so what feminists think why okay what feminists think they are

02:07:24.840 is an equality movement that's not what they actually are they're the most charitable definition i give

02:07:31.000 it is a woman's advocacy movement which is not the same as uh equality the actual definition that i give

02:07:39.240 it is it's actually a sort of uh well it is woman's advocacy but it's also uh bundled up with a bunch of

02:07:47.880 conspiracy theory and like pseudo science bullshit soft science social science nonsense as well as a uh

02:07:56.680 a good dose of man hating so that's my sense of what feminism is okay but if you want to use the

02:08:04.120 charitable one it's woman's advocacy i think uh there's nothing wrong with supporting a woman and

02:08:12.040 saying that she could do whatever she wants because in reality they could do yes they can i mean you can

02:08:19.000 go buy a dick from the store and fuck another girl with it so you can't say that a woman can do whatever

02:08:24.440 she wants you can literally go to a science lab and create a baby with two women that's where we are

02:08:29.640 today so no no wait you can't i've watched it so should people no you haven't watched it they need

02:08:36.600 the genetic material from the man so should people do whatever they want like ought to also wait really

02:08:43.720 quick you you mentioned something about the draft earlier i don't remember so i think they said

02:08:51.240 something about um what was it i don't remember i don't remember okay i wish i could around do you

02:08:59.480 consider yourself a feminist no i support it all okay no simple answer no no no okay all right yeah

02:09:11.960 okay uh so that was for who was that who sent that in it was gracie or is your oh we had kill of cereal

02:09:19.960 we need to get to he was curious uh sorry that we had to pause it there uh kill of cereal there for a

02:09:26.040 little bit i just wanted for us to be able to get through what we were talking about he wanted to

02:09:31.000 know how your parents met if you can give us 10 second answers go ahead um they both worked at a in

02:09:37.880 the mall at the same retail store and yeah um my mom's older sister and my dad's older brother were

02:09:45.880 dating so that's how they met hmm um i don't know i'm pretty sure they just lived on the same street or

02:09:53.080 something like that they met through my dad's sister um they both worked together

02:10:03.720 my mom was working at a mall and my dad was working security at the same mall nice

02:10:09.000 uh family friends at a birthday party high school sweethearts

02:10:15.720 all right cool cool uh we have a couple of super chats we need to get we have can you read these maddie

02:10:23.320 older men will take care of immature women young women kept being ran through by younger boys

02:10:31.800 okay thank you i'll need design we also have this one older women still have a chance to get a high

02:10:36.920 value man they only need to master their feminine energy these young girls today have lost that

02:10:43.080 hey omni design appreciate your super chats man thank you so much really uh appreciate it thank you thank

02:10:47.720 you and if you want feel free to get a couple in so uh before i get into some of my pre-show notes from

02:10:55.400 everybody i uh want to ask does anybody have any disagreements maybe you've seen clips or you've seen

02:11:03.240 clips of me clips of andrew uh any disagreements maybe some of you've been on the show before

02:11:08.200 previous disagreements you want to rekindle not right now anything anything show of hands anybody

02:11:16.360 always always good huh she's giving that look it's always good to get into uh you know disagreements

02:11:23.960 anybody going once going twice i had my phone to read them well you had notes on this yeah

02:11:31.720 uh okay all right just close my notes accidentally one sec while i get that pulled back up so let's see

02:11:40.760 where do we start uh kiki she was no show actually we had like three or four no shows today uh last

02:11:48.040 minute flakes but um sammy you said the expectation women nowadays have for men they're extremely

02:11:53.480 unrealistic do you want to expand on that yeah i just feel like and if this gets talked about a lot

02:11:59.960 but like the expectation of that women have of men i feel like is just way higher than

02:12:09.960 they're not willing to give back what they're expecting essentially is what i hear a lot when i listen

02:12:14.200 to like i will say that i've been very blessed with my panels the last two times i've been on here

02:12:20.520 i've had great panels and like great ladies and you ladies are great too um but i feel like it's a lot

02:12:26.360 of the feminists that come on and they're like man haters basically and they're like men should do

02:12:31.480 all of this but then it's like what are you willing to give to them in return um so that's kind of

02:12:37.240 just the that's fair look on that i'd agree like they expect for their dates to be paid for and they

02:12:45.320 expect all of these things to be given but then have no true substance to give back

02:12:52.360 i have a question like okay so i'm probably gonna get hated on if she sees this but i have a family

02:12:59.000 member who was dating a man for like five years and then she hit the fan and she became this like

02:13:07.640 feminist lesbian man hater like what do you guys think on that sort of situation she was dating him

02:13:15.080 and then what and she became a lesbian she she says that she was always a lesbian until she finally

02:13:21.640 realized after she was out of this five-year relationship with this man but when she talked

02:13:27.160 about it she was talking about like marrying this man and then like him not exceeding the

02:13:32.600 expectation that she wanted so then she had this epiphany of being like oh i'm actually a lesbian

02:13:38.360 and then starting like man-hating on all men something about that that just to me is like i'm

02:13:44.440 so curious to think of what you guys think something about that i was dating a bitch

02:13:49.720 what did you sound like she was just a really disgruntled person and oftentimes people like

02:13:58.760 that just look to blame their hate for themselves on others and so she probably wasn't fulfilled

02:14:05.800 feeling fulfilled herself so she chose to put that blame on him and some people just feel the need to

02:14:12.520 victimize themselves and find a scapegoat and i am i believe that might be what happened and you sit

02:14:22.280 there and if you sit in those emotions that anger will continue to build up and that resentment so

02:14:28.840 she probably sat there in anger for so long and staying with him only like essentially magnified that

02:14:36.920 and her hate for men because she just sat there in distaste i feel like also just because she broke

02:14:43.160 up with her because she was the one that initiated the breakup and then three months after i was broken

02:14:48.360 up with who and i felt like we kind of like well i didn't but she did like want to like bond over that

02:14:55.880 breakup and i just felt like it was something that i personally wanted to go through but i felt like

02:14:59.960 she was dumping that onto my situation because i also like took time to look back at the relationship

02:15:07.560 that i had and realized certain things that i did wrong and wanted to correct that in my next

02:15:13.560 relationship but i just was so like confused and was curious as to how someone can switch that

02:15:22.600 motive and being like oh no i'm actually a full-on lesbian and i in fact hate all men and like wait she

02:15:29.160 she verbatim yeah she says she's a full-on lesbian the worst gender reveal is finding out that your

02:15:35.160 man's a what wait did she claim she was lesbian all along yeah or did you know that she was lesbian

02:15:42.760 no she says that she she always felt that she only had crushes on men because everyone else had a crush

02:15:53.640 on that man but i i feel like i can debate on that i'm like girl the man that you were dating on or

02:15:58.840 crushing on were not it like i swear to god there was no one crushing on them except you girl

02:16:06.200 what were her specific grievances with the guy she was dating um mostly just like how he stopped what

02:16:15.720 margain was saying like he wasn't like saying hey like let's go out initiating dates and just like stop

02:16:22.520 trying and like emotionally unavailable just like same thing how every other girl says like oh like

02:16:29.720 we stopped because he wasn't emotionally available he wasn't trying anymore he just gave up let himself

02:16:35.320 go but i'm like is that enough to really what i don't understand what i don't understand about this

02:16:40.360 whole the guy stops trying thing or whatever is are you guys trying like are you y'all the ones who

02:16:52.520 are like putting in the effort to set up the date that's what you're saying did they stop trying

02:16:59.240 because you stopped trying yeah it's another it's like these girls who say he never texted me did you

02:17:04.200 text him did you send a message okay for my oh go ahead go ahead girls will even say a guy will double

02:17:10.920 text you and then he'll stop texting you and then she'll be like why did you stop texting me because you

02:17:15.880 shot down my um what because you shot down my like the guy as a guy like you made me feel like i

02:17:22.200 wasn't like i'm saying the girl will be like oh he the the complaint here would be let's say uh

02:17:30.280 a girl and the guy hook up and then he doesn't text her again but did you like and but she never texted

02:17:38.840 him either well it's like you're both kind of not isn't that doing anything isn't that more or less

02:17:45.160 on the spectrum of the equality conversation what do you mean like because i hear what you're saying

02:17:50.200 and i agree like i she if she stops putting an effort why should he continue to put an effort and

02:17:56.200 also men can't read our minds so if you're not like very specifically saying i would like you to text

02:18:01.480 me every morning and tell me that i'm beautiful and i would like you to plan dates once a week

02:18:05.880 then he's not i mean men are very like direct so they they need that rather than just i want more

02:18:11.160 romance but well okay would it be considered like is that the equality conference because wouldn't

02:18:17.720 someone earlier was talking about masculinity in the comment section and so i'm curious like wouldn't

02:18:23.240 some men perceive that as masculine if she then starts to reciprocate in that way it's not masculine to

02:18:31.560 initiate to produce an outcome i think girls just don't text because they don't

02:18:35.560 want to seem like they're desperate and then the guy could just say the same exact thing yeah

02:18:40.840 but that's expected from a guy it's different but let's say it's always that the man is supposed to

02:18:45.400 start it like right that's what they say they're like oh well but like okay so i think when it comes

02:18:50.680 to like this whole thing where men will put an effort in the beginning effort in the beginning and then just

02:18:56.840 stop well until they met you maybe they had to put in that initial effort with like

02:19:03.000 10 20 30 40 different girls so they're already burned out and then okay they finally you know

02:19:08.760 got you whatever cool and then they just start coasting and it's like well they already put in

02:19:14.200 all the effort y'all never put in any effort in the beginning yeah i think it's fair you're saying that

02:19:18.600 you want your effort to be matched what if they did start off strong and then they slowly start

02:19:24.600 like losing that momentum and you as a woman even despite being like oh i don't want to be desperate

02:19:30.760 but i know what i want and what are my needs and i'm going to show that and tell you clearly

02:19:35.480 this is what i expect from you and if they choose not to meet those expectations then that's when

02:19:43.480 i feel like the fall through of like okay they're not trying so i'm not going to try what's your version

02:19:48.040 of a woman coasting oh what's what's the version of a woman coasting yeah you just mean the default

02:19:56.840 for women no i'm curious you mean just the status quo of how women move well the equivalent of like

02:20:03.640 her saying that he that's what women do is coast what do you talk what do you mean i feel like you

02:20:09.080 just show up i feel like for a woman it's at the beginning at the beginning a man does more to get

02:20:15.000 the woman's attention and then as the woman is more attracted to this person she does more so

02:20:19.960 she's expecting more from a man because it's growing for her she's doing more for this person

02:20:24.440 because she genuinely feels something but it's like the opposite for a man they're going to do

02:20:28.040 all they can at the beginning and then slowly they're going to just stop and stop and stop how is that

02:20:32.360 balanced wait where's these flies coming from our effort is front loaded we do all the work in the

02:20:37.960 beginning and then uh yeah and then the girl has to do the rest of the work for the rest of the

02:20:47.000 i think what you're saying is um if she like she just shows up i would but if i were a man i'd find

02:20:51.240 that very unattractive if all she does is just show up if that's her only job is to like be there i mean

02:20:56.920 that's how it is attractive that's how it is not in all relationships that's how it is that's why i said

02:21:02.600 what i said because so think of it as a job interview right when you go to a job interview

02:21:07.000 as the person who's applying for the job you're selling yourself to the company but a lot of people

02:21:11.720 don't realize the company is also selling themselves to you so a job interview is you know mutual right

02:21:17.480 you do you want to work for this company and does this company want you to work for them and i feel

02:21:22.120 like that's how obviously maybe not as formal as that but in a relationship when you're first

02:21:28.600 starting the relationship it's like i want to date you and i'm going to show you that i want to date

02:21:34.200 you and you should reciprocate the same way we should both show each other that we're interested

02:21:40.040 and keep that interest and then now as we become a couple and more exclusive and now we're physically

02:21:46.280 dating that try should continue from both sides but that's where societies i just think

02:21:53.960 fucked up right now because women just think that men are supposed to sell themselves to them

02:21:59.480 and they're just supposed to the men are supposed to do everything they're supposed to try they're

02:22:03.400 supposed to put in all the effort and the woman just expects to sit there and just be pampered and

02:22:07.640 be hot yeah like that's that's the contribution with nothing to give and i think that's what the problem

02:22:13.160 is i'm agreeing with you okay you look confused so no yeah cool thank you guys look i mean do you get

02:22:25.080 like what do y'all really do to at the start at the start of a relationship what do you really do to

02:22:35.320 actually make it happen why don't i think a high oh can you read it women say they want to simp

02:22:44.200 emotional man until that man gets his ass kicked in front of them or unable to protect or stand up

02:22:49.640 for them then the emotional attraction and respect is gone hey adeline hey yo thank you pagan man

02:22:56.920 appreciate it thank you thank you it's one of my peeps yeah it's just not clear to me that

02:23:01.320 when it comes to like matching effort that at least in terms of contributing to the start of

02:23:09.080 a relationship that women are putting in that effort at the beginning it's very so like you

02:23:15.400 guys might complain well down the road in the relationship it feels unequal but it feels unequal

02:23:21.320 to us like for almost every single girl that we encounter and it'll obviously not every you know

02:23:28.040 you approach a girl maybe you go on the first date that's that's the end of it we pretty much put in

02:23:34.520 every single effort that can be taken to actually make that happen but when do you find that wait

02:23:40.920 what do you have go ahead what would you expect them to be doing texting you asking you to go out on a

02:23:46.280 date or uh well i mean so in terms of expectation my my expectations tend to be typically pretty low

02:23:53.880 although although i've certainly had the experience i've had the experience of like women who initiate

02:23:59.080 with me and actually prefer that because i prefer dating women with um high levels of interest over

02:24:05.240 like shooting my shot with like 10 20 30 different women and then it's kind of like a lot of these chicks

02:24:10.760 are fence sitters and they've got their eye on three different dudes so i actually prefer when

02:24:15.480 i think it's a much better dynamic which is the dynamic that women typically have a monopoly on and

02:24:20.600 tend to enjoy the dynamic of you getting to choose guys coming to you you have much more leverage uh

02:24:26.920 when it's when it's that kind of dynamic the leverage tends to equalize the longer you know

02:24:31.240 the once you've been dating for three months it's kind of equal equalizes a little bit although it is

02:24:37.400 so in terms of early on most guys can't get that though most guys never get approached never get a

02:24:42.840 hit on uh never get a dm never get a dm from a chick match with a chick on a dating app they're

02:24:49.720 gonna have to send the first message set up the date plan the date move things forward physically

02:24:53.720 etc etc um but so i don't think when it comes to expectation that there's like i never have the

02:25:03.160 expectation it's nice if it does occur if the girl does actually make some effort and takes initiative

02:25:09.080 and i do think it's a better dynamic but uh

02:25:12.040 uh i don't know where i'm going with this what was the question is there ever you expect yeah in

02:25:20.840 the beginning what do i expect oh what do i expect i mean i expect pretty much do you guys any of you

02:25:26.840 play video games yes yes there's this video game term called carrying this is when somebody who's

02:25:32.680 superior at a video game take somebody who has no like little or no experience in the video game and

02:25:39.480 takes them to the w takes them to the win you carry them like on your back somebody you know

02:25:45.400 it's like you're playing some shooter game or whatever they suck at the video game you

02:25:50.120 fucking rock or at least you know what you're doing and you can bring them to the w in this case that

02:25:55.160 would be the relationship uh and so typically the it seems to me at least early on you're carrying

02:26:02.440 you're carrying the chick to the relationship

02:26:08.920 can it be vice versa y'all can disagree you y'all can disagree but i mean look i'm sure there's some

02:26:13.800 guys that you might be you've chased you've maybe had this experience but um but typically

02:26:20.840 what i what i have found is pretty much it like all these different points the guy's going to be the

02:26:27.720 one who's gonna have to put in the effort and also face the rejection so this is how we work so like

02:26:34.200 let's say it's a guy who's approaching you uh let's if we remove online dating from this like he's just

02:26:40.280 maybe goes to your college whatever if you went to college and he's you're in his class he approaches

02:26:45.400 you after class he's got to do the approach that's terrifying for most people both men and women

02:26:50.200 women overwhelmingly never do that but he's going to approach you then there's a potential for

02:26:55.080 rejection but assuming it's not a rejection then he's going to have to carry the conversation because

02:26:59.480 typically the burden of conversation is going to be on the person who approaches it'd be weird for

02:27:05.000 you to just approach someone say hi and say nothing like that would be like hey i mean it's kind of

02:27:13.320 if you can pull it off i guess but it is kind of this like it's almost like if somebody contacts

02:27:18.840 you it's like what do you want you know so the burden of conversation is going to be on them

02:27:23.480 then they're going to have to you know be smooth whatever be charming they're going to have to ask

02:27:27.480 you out they're going to have to you know do that in a smooth way they're going to have to solicit the

02:27:31.960 phone number the contact information if it's instagram phone number whatever then they're going

02:27:36.840 to have to follow up send that text then they're going to have to plan the date when you invariably

02:27:41.320 cancel 30 minutes before that first date because your uh goldfish needs to be fed or whatever he's

02:27:46.920 going to have to take that gracefully even though it's extremely rude to cancel 30 minutes before

02:27:50.920 the date so he's going to have to maneuver that maneuver with that and then uh he's going to have

02:27:56.200 to set up the follow-up date and then he's going to have to you know okay here's here's where i i'm

02:28:02.200 going to take you here here's the time handle the logistics of that then he's going to have to pay for

02:28:06.920 the date carry the conversation probably on the on the date and then he's going to have to move things

02:28:11.800 forward from there is he going to try to go for the kiss is he going to try for more if that's a no

02:28:18.040 but he she's still interested okay second date third date fourth date wash when wash rinse repeat

02:28:23.960 he's got to you know face multiple points of potential rejection all throughout this entire

02:28:29.480 process uh let's see what else yeah he's got to go for the first kiss he's got to move things forward

02:28:34.840 sexually i don't i it's extremely rare for women to go for the first kiss or be like the initiator

02:28:41.080 sexually also so there's just a whole bunch of points of potential rejection and then just also uh yeah

02:28:46.760 but when women do it so i didn't mean to cut you but when women do it they're deemed aggressive

02:28:52.920 they're deemed too dominant too masculine uh or if they double text you they're needy or they're you

02:29:02.040 know whatever it is that they want to be late easy um and or if they're accessible then they become

02:29:10.680 again easy so i feel like there are plenty of women out there and i encourage women to double

02:29:17.080 text say what you want go and get it and if a man can't handle that fuck them well i actually think

02:29:24.840 men love from my research men love when women approach they find it extremely attractive because

02:29:30.680 it shows confidence but i think the nuance that you're giving is like if she were to also make a move

02:29:35.880 on him sexually that could be seen as like too easy or too accessible but i think there's nuance

02:29:42.120 i think what he's saying is the man has to go through all these different touch points that are

02:29:46.680 all essentially him going out on a limb and there's nothing really in him there's no roi for him really

02:29:52.440 um and i yeah i just just i think the nuance is missing because i think men do want to see more

02:29:58.440 initiative as well from women just because it's terrifying for a man to walk up to an attractive woman

02:30:04.120 like it public shame the risk of that is so high whereas if an attractive woman walks up to a man

02:30:11.480 that likelihood that she's going to get rejected is so low yeah even if she's an average woman true

02:30:16.280 i agree like i i think that it sucks that you have to do so much effort but when women

02:30:20.520 do exemplify those traits they are labeled that way so if men didn't shoot those kinds of women's down

02:30:27.480 and kind of like essentially push back on that kind of behavior maybe more women would be

02:30:33.080 inclined well that's not hold on that's not that's not actually true because uh i mean it's one thing

02:30:38.280 if a girl walks up to it walks up to a guy and is just super aggro and it's like here's some

02:30:45.480 that would be a turn there's a way you can approach like even step to a guy walk up to a guy and it not

02:30:52.120 come across as aggressive or or like masculine or whatever you can do so in a feminine way um

02:30:58.760 you know it's just don't be a slag about it but what's up do you think like looks have something

02:31:06.600 to do with that because let's say what if like you are meh you know and you have all those traits that

02:31:12.520 they are looking for but they because maybe you don't like meet their expectations visually that they

02:31:20.040 will like maybe consider falling into the settling be like oh she has everything but i just don't like

02:31:25.000 see her attractive do you think looks matter when it comes to those traits that do you guys know what

02:31:33.320 i mean like for a man like for yeah a man for a woman came up to you and said oh hey i like your

02:31:41.800 beard and i want to tell you on a date yeah if she was mid would you and like the same thing double

02:31:47.560 standard this is very this is a very easy question to answer if the man if the man does not find you

02:31:52.440 physically attractive that's the same thing with the woman men have to risk the same thing what if

02:31:58.840 she doesn't find me physically attractive it is what it is you know so yeah but i do think most

02:32:06.280 attractive men would still be nicer to an average looking woman than an attractive woman would be to

02:32:10.600 an average looking yeah well and so going back to your point kind of related to her thing so women

02:32:16.360 overwhelmingly will not make the first move won't approach won't slide into a dm won't send the first

02:32:21.480 message won't you know whatever but in comparison to men in the event that they do they're actually

02:32:28.040 much more likely to succeed like a dude could send thousands of dms and never get a response but if

02:32:35.160 you're a girl and you send like dms out there's a you're you're much higher chance to get a response

02:32:42.440 also you can slide into dudes who have like big major status and you're much more likely to get a like

02:32:49.240 an average girl when i say how about a normal girl slides into a famous guy's dms it's not a

02:32:58.360 guarantee she gets a response but like it's a possibility drake's fucking with normal chicks

02:33:05.480 uh i don't know if drake is like the cool guy anymore i don't know but like if a normal like a

02:33:11.480 fucking 20 year old dude slides into like i don't know if there's a dua lipa's dms you think she's

02:33:17.480 like oh yeah okay yeah well i'll i'll meet up with you normal guy i'm like no it's not happening

02:33:24.200 i think i think for me it's more so the men's behavior of pulling out their phone and be like

02:33:29.400 man this girl's been blowing me up since our first date if you stop doing that women would be more

02:33:35.640 inclined to actually initiate more things but we know that men sit there and they talk like that

02:33:42.440 about women that's not true if he's not attracted to her but i think if he's attracted to her he'd be

02:33:49.880 pumped but they're still banging her so that was my question for you is is at what point

02:33:57.400 for you would her initiating the dates her texting you multiple times when would that become too much for

02:34:04.920 you that you are now off put by it and unattracted even if you're physically attracted to her but now

02:34:12.280 so think of the term like stage five clinger right you're physically attracted to her but she's

02:34:18.200 too available for you at what point does that become unattracted i mean there's i don't think at

02:34:25.960 least for in my book like if she's psycho that's one thing but if she's just super simpy like really

02:34:32.360 into me i like that like i don't really like to play games i like you you like me um

02:34:39.720 because it's it's actually pretty rare for for men to get like that level of uh attention attention

02:34:46.760 you know uh so like unless they're hot

02:34:53.240 okay but i would argue like average chicks get like dudes fucking

02:34:57.160 falling over themselves for like an average chick whereas like average dudes ain't ever getting a dm

02:35:03.800 ain't ever being asked out like ever ever so i'm trying to i'm trying to think what i wanted to bring

02:35:10.920 it back to but so i would say though that you'll have totally just um as a woman your success rate

02:35:19.640 for like sliding into a dm or approaching a guy is much higher and then even if the guy most guys

02:35:25.000 are going to be much more like they'll still take it as a compliment like most guys are not going to be

02:35:29.080 like oh bitch get away like they're not going to do that like most guys are at least going to be

02:35:33.880 graceful in the rejection whereas like uh i think women tend to be fairly graceful but like they'll also

02:35:41.160 like you'll have an experience as a guy like girls can be fucking brutal sometimes when it comes to

02:35:46.120 rejection not all not all women not all the time but like you're even though i guess it's

02:35:54.280 it can still be scary for you like as a woman if you approach a guy your success rate's going to be

02:35:59.080 fucking insane and then uh the guy's going to be pretty nice i think even in rejection so yeah i just

02:36:08.600 think men should encourage more of the women to go out there and when they do do it like don't react

02:36:14.600 that way and i think that women react in a like oh this is too much or call them clingy because most

02:36:22.280 women they don't do that because they are in fear of seeming clingy or needy or being too much

02:36:29.720 bro most men but like can we just say the same thing about men except it's even worse for men yeah

02:36:36.360 it's even worse for men we don't want to be seen like like we don't want to be seen like we're we're

02:36:41.160 creepy okay so let's just educate the public say what you want go after and get it send that double

02:36:48.040 text and then if they don't if they don't respond after three texts just stop okay you know you want

02:36:52.840 to hear something crazy on the whole creepy thing you can take a guy exact same behavior exact like

02:37:00.040 verbatim say the exact same thing say it the same way the only differential is one guy you're attracted

02:37:06.120 to and the other you're not like that's it they could it could be the same exact treatment or he

02:37:12.920 said the same thing acted the same way and the only difference is one guy's physically attractive

02:37:19.000 the other's not and i think the biggest thing is stop after three texts don't have for any men or

02:37:24.760 women stop having conversations with yourselves in people's dms or text messages oh well i think that's

02:37:30.360 the biggest thing these guys who send like 10 messages never get a response yes yes so just

02:37:35.080 don't do that yeah but like it's okay let's just set the record straight it's okay to double text okay

02:37:43.960 but just but but what he was saying is just like matching effort which is so like people generally

02:37:50.440 want people that match their effort they don't want people who go way above and beyond because then it

02:37:55.080 starts to make you question that person's status like why are you why do you have me so high on a pedestal

02:38:00.280 but they also don't want the opposite they don't want to feel like there's lack of effort when you're

02:38:04.120 still putting forward initiative so i think what he's saying like a good balance would be okay you

02:38:08.440 took a girl out for two dates now it's the third day is she gonna propose something is she gonna propose

02:38:12.840 to hang out is she going to maybe text you after the date instead of waiting for you to text her and

02:38:17.400 like thank you for the experience like that's like just matching the effort that way he doesn't feel like

02:38:22.920 he's just constantly putting himself out there and she's just cruising and what i'm saying is don't be

02:38:28.920 afraid to be that person and i think so many people are scared to be that person that's all maddie can

02:38:35.000 you read this notice how none of their answers for their parents were online we need to get back to

02:38:39.960 traditional values my friends get out there and meet someone face to face not facetime statistics

02:38:44.920 equals it lasts yo kill of cereal thank you man appreciate it he's a brave and a decent man he's

02:38:50.120 a pioneer i agree but also i don't think the internet really existed like that so

02:38:54.840 like that wasn't an option you know i mean i'm scared i wholeheartedly agree get out of get off

02:39:02.120 the internet and you know go face to face you learn more about the person there's more value in it but

02:39:07.720 also with the times the internet just didn't exist it wasn't an option for them true true hold on guys

02:39:15.000 getting into some of some of my other notes here oh we had to do the bow thing somebody asked about

02:39:20.120 will anybody here do a proper bow all right so um this is something that you we talked about what do

02:39:25.560 i what do men expect this is something that i expect from a girl go ahead play the clip

02:39:34.440 boom huge bow i need once i get home i need a bow look at this get home laundry she's getting my

02:39:43.240 laundry all going look at this dinner dinner is ready attentive speed walking

02:39:52.440 scampering what do you call that skimp scampering i don't know beer she's i don't know you know

02:39:58.120 uh you know stirring my noodles stirring my

02:40:04.920 hands and one more time show us the bow boom deep bow that's what it's what it takes ladies i think

02:40:12.120 women should that's what i want from a girl is about my lord you guys yeah sure

02:40:20.600 my liege lord go ahead do you guys what do you think do you think i mean i i think it's and it

02:40:26.600 should not be like um forced it should not be forced it should be but i'm saying like it should be she

02:40:35.160 wants to and like she likes to so i mean like i play with my man and i'm like okay sir overlord superior

02:40:44.680 master and that's what i say to him and he likes it he'll be like say it one more time and that's what

02:40:51.880 i say and so like that's i'm i'm okay with that and that's i've i volunteer because i know that it's

02:40:58.120 exciting for him and that's not like a lot of women won't be able to put their own pride or ego

02:41:05.000 aside to please their man so i'm i'm for that am i gonna bow i don't know yeah yeah i mean

02:41:13.560 i it's submit like i already said submissive dominant role what do you think about that

02:41:17.880 sounds fun are we role playing she's like i know you don't call me a bitch sure i'm good with it

02:41:25.560 if i'm a bitch then how are you okay okay my lord if we can watch bridgerton together yeah i'll bow for

02:41:33.320 you okay thoughts thoughts on the bow thing not the bow but everything else not down with the bow

02:41:40.200 not down with the bow unless it makes sense for her culture okay all right yeah okay morgan

02:41:47.160 uh yeah i don't know i think at some point it gets too much too much like like it it seems like

02:41:54.280 you're you're just a child like why am i doing everything for you you can't you can't pick up

02:41:58.680 your own clothes i don't know well you see in in that video clip anyways this is a high pop you know

02:42:05.800 high-powered person with a dating podcast he goes home to his penthouse apartment goes home to his

02:42:11.560 penthouse apartment and his his uh girlfriend has taken you know she just kicks it at the penthouse

02:42:18.360 while he's he's out working he's taking care of all the bills i'd love to kick it yeah i agree if

02:42:23.160 he's paying for all the bills but what if it's like it could be the other way too i could do some

02:42:27.800 role playing fine with being like making the money for the household and him being at the house right

02:42:33.720 okay yeah sure well let me ask okay so outside of this context though the actual physical act of

02:42:41.640 the bow what are your thoughts there no not not cool i don't i don't know do you think uh do you

02:42:48.280 think like what do you appreciate if a guy opens the car door for you yeah on a date yeah does that

02:42:55.080 kind of stuff okay would you do you want to get married one day yeah oh do you want the guy to

02:42:59.960 propose to you yeah do you want him to get down on one knee yeah like a little bitch

02:43:06.520 but i mean it's like you want it it's crazy y'all want y'all want a guy to like kneel kneel before

02:43:12.760 you you're standing there he gets down he's looking up at you with little puppy dog eyes oh sweetheart

02:43:19.400 i love you so much hold on let me get the photo you know how many times you get on your knees for him

02:43:23.800 after that so let's be real are you talking about blow jays you're talking about blow jays

02:43:31.800 blow jays all the blow jays how do you feel about a woman proposing to you

02:43:37.560 why do i want to get married unless she's rich that's why you have this i want to get married

02:43:42.840 i'll i will only i will only marry a woman if she's makes more money than me and she has to be

02:43:48.920 like a billionaire or some shit i'll accept a millionaire like a couple zeros and she still

02:43:53.880 has to propose to you if she's a millionaire billionaire yeah you're only marrying if she

02:44:00.200 scenario i would get married but okay so this is what you want morgan you want a guy

02:44:06.280 mary gertrude spurlock that's not your actual last name my dear will you marry me

02:44:13.880 oh my god yeah oh wow okay all right all right

02:44:24.120 okay i guess we're married now but um we're engaged um but congratulations

02:44:29.720 it's like it's crazy uh okay what about you the bow you down for the bower now no he'll get a kiss

02:44:35.080 he'll get a hug but i'm not i'm not bowing it just i don't know that seemed kind of cultural as well so

02:44:41.000 am i culturally appropriating right now no that's not what i meant but um no he'll get a kiss he'll

02:44:47.560 get a hug right but i'm okay let's just assume i'm culturally appropriating and i'm just um

02:44:55.880 how would you be but how would you be culturally appropriating so i don't even understand that do you

02:45:00.200 think that bows were not done in the west well i mean i think she's trying to say it's like kind

02:45:04.760 of more common in like asian cultures it's pretty rare for like in western countries and the reason

02:45:11.960 they bow is because when you hug someone you can stab them in the back but when you bow you can't like

02:45:17.480 it's it that's where it originated from really but that's how it started that's how it started

02:45:23.400 be carrying katanas and you know i'm worried um wait so you wouldn't know 100 no wouldn't

02:45:29.400 maybe like in a playful manner okay sure fine playful yeah but every time you

02:45:37.400 then that's not playful anymore that's well i guess yeah i guess it could be but it's crazy i know

02:45:43.240 it's i know it's uncommon would you would you bow for the right man if the right man he was like he

02:45:49.080 was mr right yeah you bow for him yes in a playful manner yes not in a no no but he wanted

02:45:54.920 a sign of respect he just thought it was very respectful if you bowed to him oh being submissive

02:46:02.200 you know no no about to each other huh no no no no i don't bow i don't bow his phone didn't go down

02:46:12.280 i don't bow i don't bow she bows about i can't stop

02:46:17.160 uh what about you what do you think would you do the bow yeah i would for the right man but you

02:46:25.560 wouldn't like for the right man right yeah for the right man yeah maddie have you tested out the bow

02:46:31.320 yet yeah did it work yeah well he watches the show yeah i guess i don't know uh but it's just like

02:46:39.720 crazy to me because i feel like it's such a small ask like you don't got to spend any money it's like

02:46:46.360 not physically laborious you just boom dink dink you know what does it do for you it's it's like

02:46:55.320 a uh it's a submissiveness test no it's not about superiority what if she curtsied

02:47:04.840 it's like the western equivalent i think it's kind of cringy i prefer bow

02:47:09.080 i feel like a curtsy is just it's not cringy she's weird she's more formal not submissive

02:47:15.560 it's not what i want but i don't know it's crazy because like what we'll ask like in addition to

02:47:19.800 the bow it's just like you know you were talking earlier like that guy asked you to do his laundry

02:47:24.600 right on the first date and you're like that's weird right right that happened right they did the

02:47:29.560 laundry though i still didn't do the laundry but you were upset you were upset about the laundry like

02:47:35.320 you wouldn't because that doesn't seem like very first date thing but but check this out right

02:47:40.280 check this out right so here's what's crazy to me when it comes to the bow or like cooking a man a

02:47:46.520 meal or doing his laundry you guys will object to that but you'll fuck a guy

02:47:57.400 the first night interesting like you will let a guy

02:47:59.640 i i could get i mean you know i could get into detail you know what i mean like a girl could let

02:48:07.000 a guy

02:48:12.840 bust a nut on her face that's why i'm just saying

02:48:17.880 it could happen on a first date you know i've it's i a girl requested that once from me

02:48:24.040 it could happen on the first day a first day yes she's a freak don't yuck someone's yum

02:48:30.440 yeah but it's like hold on you'll let a guy like you'll let a guy hit girl you'll let a guy hit

02:48:40.600 but like literally doing like you'll be if i mean it's like mutual but you'll like literally choke

02:48:47.720 on his pp on his pp but you won't bow for him first date but you won't bow you won't you won't

02:48:57.240 what was that you you had no i've never heard you say that i just choke on the pp yeah

02:49:03.560 anyways you but laundry just doing folding his laundry you know not very difficult you know cooking

02:49:10.760 a meal whatever doing a simple bow like no i won't do that i didn't say but you can be inside of me

02:49:17.000 son that's crazy bro you can penetrate me with your penis but but i i won't do a little

02:49:28.520 watch this boom that's it you won't do that i didn't say no i said you know what i mean

02:49:33.800 you know what i mean but also can we agree it depends on the woman too like some women don't

02:49:41.400 like there is believe it or not there's women who don't fuck or kiss on the first or second or

02:49:46.840 third or even fifth date there's still some old school tradition values in some women well why

02:49:54.280 won't those women bow then well that's what i'm saying like those women did bow

02:50:01.000 i guess the point they were asked to i guess the point i'm trying to make is the same woman that says

02:50:06.600 not again yes there are women who will who won't fuck on the first date they'll

02:50:10.680 fuck on the second but anyways uh but anyways so they'll they'll be fine with having a man inside

02:50:20.840 of them but they draw the line at a bow i just i don't get it you know right morgan it could be that

02:50:30.680 there's mutual beneficial and pleasure in penetration but she might not find

02:50:38.040 benefit in about or pleasure in about if she's not a submissive person she doesn't want to bow for

02:50:44.600 you but if you labor penetrate her there's benefit and pleasure there maybe i don't know i'm just

02:50:50.280 playing devil's advocate what if there's a condom honestly if if if i have if there's a condom

02:50:58.840 involved i'm doing her a favor with the sex i mean with the sex like it's just like i'd rather just

02:51:05.800 i know this is gonna sound crazy i i've already mentioned this previous shows

02:51:09.640 i'd rather just not even have sex have you ever seen the meme of like it's like kermit the frog

02:51:14.120 and he's like by the window and out the window's like wet and it's like

02:51:19.400 this is why they call it window paint can we find that maybe it's like when it's a weapon you can't

02:51:25.320 you can't feel it because you have what the fuck maybe that kind of woman where like she won't want

02:51:30.920 to bow down but she'll let you like nut inside her whatever yeah that's maybe because she's like

02:51:36.600 maybe really into that masculine side of her and maybe she has like this wall built up that she

02:51:44.760 doesn't feel comfortable or willing to go into that feminine side of like submissive side it sounds

02:51:51.320 like she's taking the nut instead of receiving exactly she's a nut taker that's a good way that's

02:51:58.600 a good way to look at it that's a good way give me that no

02:52:03.880 you got it is it the kermit yeah

02:52:10.680 it's facts it's facts it's facts yeah hold on wait keep it up for a sec keep it up

02:52:17.640 word um anyways where were we uh let's get to uh we got elsa here elsa you said that you're

02:52:30.280 you had you did have a disagreement elsa you said you're not a huge fan of oversimplification

02:52:35.480 and inflammatory language is this directed at me or andrew or both honestly neither i i only i've

02:52:43.320 only seen very short clips of the show okay so this but but in general not a fan of oversimplicated

02:52:49.320 oversimplification well was there like a specific clip or something you saw was it something maddie

02:52:55.160 said maddie's got some hot takes she's been canceled multiple times yeah just kidding she's

02:53:01.000 i get i got haters actually i was told that you were i adrian was like my friend adrian who was on

02:53:06.520 the show she was like maddie's super cool look for maddie so no i learned about your mic that way

02:53:11.800 and tilt to the left tilt it to the left no no like push it over here okay there you go and then

02:53:19.400 tilt it down a little bit but go ahead

02:53:25.400 um no not directed at maddie is this better on the over simplification front earlier when we were

02:53:31.560 talking in generalities isn't that oversimplification definitely yeah we both got into that

02:53:37.560 yeah what's wrong with an oversimplification like here's an oversimplification men generally prefer

02:53:44.680 to date men who are women prefer generally to date men who are taller than them that's an oversimplification

02:53:50.440 right that's true my challenge with oversimplification is it makes for great clickbait but when you actually

02:53:56.760 work with real people it doesn't those aren't usually the situations that occur like of course in

02:54:03.080 general most women would prefer to date someone who makes more money than them in general most men

02:54:08.520 prefer to date someone who's younger because she's probably more attractive but those oversimplifications

02:54:14.920 don't hold true when you actually apply theory to practice so i've actually like i because i've worked

02:54:20.760 with so many men over the years those aren't the situations that i see normally people date more

02:54:25.720 or less people who are in their vicinity who are usually a similar age range similar socioeconomic status

02:54:31.560 so that's my problem with it but i do think that it makes more for a more spicy and interesting

02:54:37.000 conversation really so even on the micro the men that you're working with you don't tell them that

02:54:44.680 women prefer taller men well not if they're not no women do prefer that but a taller man is relative

02:54:52.840 an average woman is five two so a taller man for an average relative it would be anything taller than five

02:54:58.440 two right anything taller than her wouldn't be relative so she what i mean is that what i mean

02:55:03.880 is that what i mean is that i'm five seven and for me a taller man is technically a man who's six

02:55:10.920 feet although historically i've dated a man would be somebody who's five five eight or five eight

02:55:15.560 whatever most of the guys i've dated are my height but um where was i going with this but you would

02:55:21.720 prefer yeah who was taller right honestly before i moved to the states i did not even know this was

02:55:28.280 a thing because i was i didn't grow up here so in lebanon where i'm from men are not tall the average

02:55:35.160 man is a little bit shorter than i am so that wasn't really an option so i didn't really see it as

02:55:41.160 a preference it was after i moved here woman is much smaller than the average lebanese true true

02:55:47.080 so but when i moved here and i realized that that was like a collective preference that's when i

02:55:53.320 started to notice that people even really cared about that i think from my work what i've seen

02:55:57.800 is that women want a man they can feel safe with but he doesn't have to be bigger than her in height

02:56:02.760 he can be bigger than her horizontally in stature that's yeah i know but i well i get it that on the

02:56:09.000 micro you can you can do all sorts of self-improvement as a man who is shorter uh you can be get buffer and

02:56:15.640 you know what they call looks maxing all that but that doesn't change the fact that um most

02:56:21.160 women are still going to prefer if if he's taller than her if they had the option definitely yes

02:56:27.400 so i mean that seems like an oversimplification that's just also true well the rest of that

02:56:33.080 sentence was oversimplification and inflammatory language so an oversimplification in and of itself

02:56:38.920 might not be a problem but when it's married to inflammatory language it can be but i'm not but

02:56:44.520 but but at the same time like i when i first started my tiktok the i believe the reason why

02:56:49.640 i went viral so often is because i was extremely inflammatory like i was just extremely condescending

02:56:54.520 and i had a lot of hot takes on a lot of hot topics and it was fun because i was relevant

02:57:01.000 now that now that i'm now that i'm a little more nuanced my engagement has definitely gone down

02:57:07.240 because nuance is boring for a lot of people it's not as why can't you be inflammatory with nuance

02:57:14.520 i mean you how how would you do that give me an example of a a nuanced take which is also

02:57:21.160 something which is inflammatory like what say what's an example say well it can be situational

02:57:25.960 whether age gaps are appropriate or not but uh you think that they're perfectly acceptable

02:57:30.760 right so that's a nuanced take but at the same time it's inflammatory

02:57:35.960 that doesn't sound inflammatory to me unless i miss something how how is it not it's one of the

02:57:41.000 things most argued about uh that i've seen in these dating spaces whether or not age gaps

02:57:45.480 are appropriate or not appropriate you can have the nuanced take of yeah i think situationally

02:57:49.720 they can be but generally i'm against them and here's why it can definitely be inflammatory with

02:57:53.800 a nuanced take well we might just have a different definition because i actually think that's a nuanced

02:57:59.720 i think that's a nuanced take yeah it's it's nuanced but also inflammatory you're still

02:58:04.360 saying the same thing right you're still saying no i think age gaps are fine but but the way you're

02:58:09.560 saying it's reasoning for that right but the way you're saying it is nuanced so it's kind of like

02:58:15.320 when you said i get it earlier you said it's still inflammatory right earlier you said like older men

02:58:21.400 would prefer a younger woman because she's attractive and that to me that's not that to me is not an

02:58:25.800 example of inflammatory language because i actually agree i think it's like what would be

02:58:31.160 inflammatory then how would you how would you make that inflammatory um it's a good question

02:58:36.200 probably by saying something like women over 35 are completely doomed so they should probably just go

02:58:42.280 give up like that but that's inflammatory because it lacks the nuance statement that's just kind of

02:58:48.440 lying though right but those are but those are the kind of clips that get a lot of traction is like the

02:58:55.160 35 year old woman is screwed she's got no chance i think the nuance take is the younger woman probably

02:59:02.440 has a lot more options of men for sure but the non-nuance is just like let's just write off every

02:59:09.480 woman over 30 because well i mean why not i mean you're just talking about clickbait though really

02:59:15.400 yeah that's exactly what i'm talking about oh okay well i mean you can still have the clickbait and

02:59:20.200 then still give the nuance take can't you i argue that isn't that what almost everybody does they

02:59:25.320 have the clickbaity title thumbnail and then they give the nuance take after you click on it the

02:59:30.040 clickbaity hook yes yeah it seems like you could do that can you so i mean just going back to your

02:59:38.600 thing here you said not a huge fan of oversimplification inflammatory language what did was there an

02:59:43.640 example that you wanted to talk on or that you saw uh there probably was but i don't it might not

02:59:52.200 even been from you guys it might have been from like one of the women on the show i honestly can't

02:59:55.640 remember because this was this was probably like this was a while back um okay no can't remember but

03:00:03.880 it's not necessarily like you as the host i was just the dynamic of the conversation that's probably

03:00:09.320 something i was referring to okay uh let's see going over then to uh is it andrea or andrea it's

03:00:20.920 andrea andrea okay you said that uh so you are currently single if i recall okay you said you're

03:00:28.760 waiting until uh or you you either are you wanted to talk about waiting until marriage is that correct

03:00:34.520 oh yeah i am definitely waiting i'm pro waiting till marriage you're pro so are you that and that's

03:00:40.840 what you're doing yes are you religious i am uh christian christian what denomination oh um

03:00:49.880 i i wouldn't be too specific on that i um i'm just christian let's just leave it at that okay um

03:00:59.400 do you go to church i do what is the denomination of the church you go to um

03:01:06.760 i'm actually not sure is it non-denominational i'm i'm truly not sure by chance sorry saint

03:01:14.280 baptist no um just checking no um okay so you said um

03:01:22.840 you and you said you experienced a lot of jealousy and possessiveness from men is that related to the

03:01:28.920 waiting until marriage thing or is that a different topic no i would say um i've just

03:01:35.080 been on a lot of dates and um it's very men are very possessive jealous and it could be i don't know

03:01:43.000 but um that that is why i'm waiting till marriage because they're possessive and jealous yeah i i

03:01:49.560 wouldn't you know i i would tell men like oh i i want this for my future and um sometimes they don't

03:01:57.800 agree but they're still very like clingy and possessive and and okay so let's bring it back

03:02:03.880 to the whole waiting until marriage thing um so are you a virgin no um

03:02:13.800 okay uh but so how how recently did you i guess change up to wanting to wait till marriage um well i

03:02:21.960 did have this long-term relationship where um yes we did have we i wasn't carnal knowledge

03:02:29.560 what uh carnal knowledge you had sex yeah i guess um yeah i didn't i didn't know how to phrase that

03:02:37.240 but um so that did and that's that was you know not the best experience for me so that's why i was

03:02:43.080 like okay well my next relationship i definitely want to keep it um yeah well was it was the one

03:02:50.440 one-year relationship you said your longest relationship if my notes unless i fucked my

03:02:55.000 notes up here you're 20 or no three years three years about three years oh sorry i got my okay

03:02:59.720 three years uh um i'm i'm just curious very quickly if i can interject i just had one quick question

03:03:06.760 uh brian can you by chance pull up ephesians 5 22

03:03:13.080 nick can you pull up ephesians 5

03:03:14.840 5 22 well the reason is is um i didn't realize that uh that you were a christian earlier in the

03:03:21.720 panel but i can just read it to you it says wives submit to your husband as to the lord do you bow to

03:03:28.040 the lord do i bow to the lord yeah of course is it a sign of submission to bow to the lord yes

03:03:37.080 you know are you supposed to submit to your husband as you do unto the lord

03:03:42.440 yes i guess so then hang on so then we have established that you should do what with your

03:03:47.800 husband i should bow oh we should bow okay so we've got it right so the bow is happening right

03:03:55.400 we are going to do the bow if it's in a godly marriage then of course that's very okay then we're

03:04:00.680 gonna bow all right all right oh you have to be married before the you give the bow yes is that

03:04:06.840 fair andrew marriage has to come before the bow yeah i mean it depends right um i would say yeah

03:04:15.400 probably i would uh i would i would still wait for the mirror but i don't see anything wrong with

03:04:19.400 showing respect i'm not bowing to a boyfriend but earlier when i asked you i said would you ever do it

03:04:25.160 you said no but it seems like now we have kind of a change in the position here well no you're

03:04:29.880 correct we do bow to the lord and if it's a godly marriage then of course that's that's very different

03:04:35.560 what you said not bound to the boyfriend i'm not buying to a boyfriend but if we are should a man

03:04:39.880 provide before you're married so like first dates you're down to split the first date no the man should

03:04:48.360 pay on the first date yes but you're not married i understand but he is still trying to prove that he

03:04:55.480 can provide in order to be so you're not willing to be submissive to him until you're married

03:05:03.480 in the bow yes well i'm assuming there's other ways too but you're expecting him to provide

03:05:09.720 prior to marriage but he doesn't get any benefits he does get the benefit he gets the benefit of my

03:05:15.320 time of it's you get the exact same thing from him though yeah right you get his time he gets your

03:05:22.360 time yes but i still don't think about is like oh my gosh she bowed i have to marry her i don't think

03:05:27.720 that's the whole like i don't know i don't know but you said you're not willing to be submissive until

03:05:32.920 you're married no no no no no because if we are dating we are dating to marry so that already there's

03:05:39.480 already submission within that but i don't think what would be this what would be the submission

03:05:44.360 within that what as in we are already um like together building a foundation what does that have

03:05:52.200 to do with being submissive just by virtue of you dating each other doesn't mean you're submissive

03:05:58.520 yes it does what i mean in this culture because there is women who

03:06:02.680 have a roster who will be dating multiple men so like going back to those old traditions and being

03:06:10.280 like okay we decide to be exclusive well a woman could be monogamous a woman could be monogamous and

03:06:17.560 still not be submissive although if it hit i suppose if it's her will and desire to be dating multiple

03:06:24.520 men but she she then that's not dating to marry that's not that would be a terrible dynamic though if a

03:06:30.760 man had to get submission from his woman to be monogamous that would be terrible dynamic but um

03:06:39.240 but you wouldn't be submissive well what do you mean by being submissive just the bow specifically

03:06:44.920 i mean deferring to his leadership okay i don't want you to go to nightclubs i don't want you to

03:06:50.920 go to bars i don't want you to drink of course i don't want you to party of course i don't want

03:06:56.200 you to post promiscuous photos on instagram of course okay so you're saying that it's just

03:07:02.680 interesting you okay well you're kind of relating it all back to the bow but i'm still you're so stuck

03:07:07.160 on the bow that's why you're bringing it up right well i mean like you kind of don't you want to be

03:07:12.680 submissive in all matters and in all ways yes if we're dating to marry yes okay so i

03:07:20.280 bringing it back i guess to the waiting until marriage thing you said i was confused because

03:07:28.440 you said like your justification for the change up there was you had a bad relationship

03:07:35.160 in said bad relationship you had premarital sex right ergo are you saying that because you had

03:07:42.760 premarital sex that's the reason for the bad relationship i'm not sure if that's the connection

03:07:48.200 that makes sense um no it wasn't a bad relationship we had great times but i do think

03:07:53.640 didn't you well what i meant that you said it was like i got the understanding or impression that it

03:08:01.960 was negative in some way no well i mean to me it was negative because we did do it the ungodly way

03:08:09.240 we did have premarital sex and um but he's not a bad guy or a bad person or we didn't have bad times

03:08:15.000 but um okay my next relationship i would want it to be godly i would want to wait till marriage

03:08:20.360 for were you religious is you being religious a new thing or were you also christian prior like no i um

03:08:29.160 i mean i was like baptized as a kid and everything but i wasn't like going to church every weekend or

03:08:34.760 i wasn't just um i wasn't so in my faith as i am now okay so you've become more religious um

03:08:46.760 okay and so just to be clear you are the next person you're going to date you are going to wait

03:08:53.160 until marriage to have sex not just because some girls will say well i want to meet the guy that i

03:08:58.200 want to marry but we can have sex before marriage but it has to be the guy that i'm pretty sure

03:09:02.440 no we're gonna marry i'm gonna marry no i'm waiting until marriage okay and you're gonna be

03:09:08.040 steadfast in that uh well what do you mean like you're holding you're holding to that for sure

03:09:16.600 no definitely definitely but um mistakes happen no no mistakes do not happen well can i ask you a

03:09:23.400 question so uh you broke up with the three-year relationship a year ago you said um no no um i broke

03:09:31.560 up you said you were in a three-year relationship and you've been single for one year yeah so i've

03:09:37.160 had okay that was a different relationship that was a different yeah okay so wait that was a

03:09:42.200 different relationship yeah so i had a three-year relationship that was like throughout high school

03:09:47.080 throughout college and then we broke up and then i had another relationship and that's the one that

03:09:51.480 ended a year ago okay did you have premarital sex with that guy i did okay so how long have you been

03:09:57.880 celibate um i would say about a couple months what was the nature of the relationship with the guy you

03:10:08.760 were with a couple months ago uh we were we were dating and um but it wasn't exclusive or it didn't

03:10:17.880 get to that point you were dating for a couple months you said yes how did you guys meet how did

03:10:23.080 we i met him uh where did i meet him uh i met him um um at a concert not a dating app no i don't use

03:10:33.320 dating apps okay and so hold on hold on and so uh how soon after you had met him did you guys hook up

03:10:42.760 um i would say it was maybe three months after we met but you said you only dated him for a couple months

03:10:49.480 yeah well it was long distance it was that one was confusing so you were you had you guys been

03:10:58.760 like friends or acquaintances yeah yeah we definitely started off as friends well hold on you said you

03:11:04.120 met him at a concert i did so you weren't friends when you met at the concert no i i met him there and

03:11:10.040 then we became friends we exchanged information and

03:11:12.440 so he approached you or how did you guys uh yeah i guess so and he said hi i'd like to be friends

03:11:22.440 with you no well it was more it wasn't clear to you that he had a romantic or sexual interest

03:11:28.840 no no we just started off as friends you think that was his intention to be friends with you

03:11:34.440 okay um so at what point did he make his romantic interest known um i guess a while after texting

03:11:54.360 we just um i was like oh i like you and he liked me and so um yeah when you so you said you after three

03:12:03.000 months of knowing him that's when you hooked up how soon after there being a clear we like each other

03:12:09.640 how soon after that did you guys hook up um like after we told each other we liked each other

03:12:21.160 uh well so we met and then we were texting for about like three months and then um when you say you

03:12:29.080 were okay so you met at the concert right you were texting for three months in that three-year

03:12:32.760 period did you guys ever hang out in person no no okay so it was long distance you live in la

03:12:38.920 he lives where um he lives in arizona arizona okay watching this right now okay so you're texting him

03:12:47.240 you guys are texting back and forth how often are you guys calling texting um it was it was mainly text

03:12:55.720 okay okay okay you guys determined that you like each other and then you meet up in person correct

03:13:01.560 right okay uh how many times did you meet up in person total um we only hooked up once and then after

03:13:13.320 that we just um we just kind of remained friends you texted for three months met in person hooked up when

03:13:24.040 you met in person and then basically remained friends after that yeah it just it didn't work out why

03:13:29.720 uh why didn't it work out i would say it was long distance and um it just i felt wrong about it i felt like

03:13:38.760 um like oh it's not it's not a godly thing i i we hooked up and it was just not the right thing to

03:13:46.440 do so just accidentally happened yeah yeah how do you accidentally have sex she acted on temptation

03:13:54.280 yeah it was very that yeah um okay i was like okay this is not the it's not the right one yeah so

03:14:01.640 so and this was a couple months ago how recently was this no this was about maybe

03:14:13.400 nine months eight months okay um and hold on is there any degree of cope here like did he was it

03:14:25.080 like a smash and dash or was it a mutual like i'm just trying to understand this a little better no

03:14:33.000 it was mutual but but it was you who said you felt uncomfortable with afterwards i did i did i very

03:14:40.360 much he smashed and she dashed no he didn't he didn't want to continue seeing you no we we've seen

03:14:47.080 each other recently but just as friends and i think we both agree that it wasn't the right thing to do

03:14:51.960 it we very much were just acting on temptation so it wasn't good you didn't get satisfaction no that's

03:14:59.560 not what i'm saying i'm just saying that it wasn't the right way to go about it and it was yeah exactly

03:15:04.600 what she said it was temptation it was we were drinking and god and that was it i can i ask a

03:15:10.520 question go ahead um from the time from the three-year relationship to the current situation ship

03:15:17.720 friendship whatever it was when did you decide that like oh no i would rather wait till marriage

03:15:24.440 because i mean everyone is human we all make mistakes we can have my understanding here is

03:15:31.800 you had the standard of you wanted to wait until marriage prior to meeting the concert arizona guy

03:15:39.720 it was yeah i definitely um i wanted well how did you falter everybody has those days alcohol and

03:15:48.760 temptation okay look at it like let's say she meets a hold on let's say she meets a christian guy

03:15:54.280 at her church and she's like i'm waiting till marriage and then she tells him this story

03:15:59.320 you're gonna be like or really if they're a godly man then they understand yes they'll give a lot of

03:16:08.200 mistakes you all make mistakes and that you can backtrack and still so god is going to what does

03:16:14.520 it mean to like okay you let chase sit on this podcast and be a born again virgin and now she made

03:16:20.600 the decision and chase got pushback but he got pushback he got absolutely hold on i i told him i was

03:16:27.480 disappointed in him i literally said that and he got tons of pushback online for it trust me

03:16:35.400 but who's to say she's seeking a super christian man it could just be someone who's also that's not

03:16:41.320 it's not even my world view so for chase to have slipped up like

03:16:46.040 to have premarital sex that's not really my objection i suppose the objection here is

03:16:52.360 you're stating x but you're not actually right right also let us point out a quick distinction

03:16:59.640 here which is that chase felt bad and i think that most of these women who are like oh well gee uh you

03:17:08.040 know this happened and now i'm a born again they don't seem like they feel bad about it they don't

03:17:11.880 seem like they give i mean she also never said born again virgin no definitely i think that's

03:17:16.360 no she didn't i'm not gonna lie and be like oh yeah i'm christian and i'm a very no i think that's

03:17:21.320 a very terrible thing to do i'm completely honest about all of that because and i think like how she

03:17:27.160 stated i think a godly man would understand and if and vice versa if he also had past relations then

03:17:34.280 i would understand as well because nobody's perfect then what does it mean okay but then what does it

03:17:39.160 actually mean to believe in waiting until marriage if every couple months you have a slip up what does

03:17:46.920 it mean well who's to say i'm gonna have another slip up i think the biggest thing is like you know uh

03:17:53.560 women want i don't mean to speak for all but like we want relationships to work and it's so many like

03:17:59.400 i think it's kind of been ingrained as anytime you involve sex it complica it complicates it or it you

03:18:06.280 know it messes things up a little bit and so us as women we're always told to preserve ourselves

03:18:12.280 we're always told to wait we're this and that so we're like okay if we want a relationship to work

03:18:17.080 we need to preserve ourselves and make sure that we like whoever it is that we're dating for who they

03:18:22.440 are and not involve the sex until after everything after that then everything matches up what's that

03:18:29.080 was true because once i got i got picked up and i was like just so you know i'm not gonna fuck and he

03:18:32.760 said all right well you can go home then yeah yeah that's awesome hold on i mean that's terrible

03:18:43.480 could you close the door um but but her as a religion like bringing a religion like okay if

03:18:49.320 she like makes a mistake do you want her to walk around town with the girl with the belt calling shame

03:18:54.920 shame for me nobody's asking for the scarlet letter but it has become pretty apparent to me

03:19:03.880 that often what happens is women will seek uh christianity and the idea of being reborn into

03:19:11.960 christianity in order to mask their promiscuous past uh rather than as a form of repenting from it

03:19:20.200 then this is why i think there's a delineation point and why this is being brought up by brian

03:19:25.160 and it's a very good point many times women will use that as a mask and say now i'm above criticism

03:19:31.880 for you know my overly promiscuous past uh that's what i think they're moving towards that for rather

03:19:37.240 than okay i'm in a state of deep repentance because i actually feel miserable about the things that i've done

03:19:41.880 it by the way andrew i sent you a text message um i guess it's just okay this whole like waiting

03:19:50.040 till marriage christian waiting till marriage but has mistakes and slip-ups having sex is a conscious

03:19:56.680 choice so it's like a vegan who eats meat once a week are you still a vegan no you know what i mean

03:20:06.600 i don't know look i don't know i'm not against premarital sex i guess i'm just confused

03:20:11.240 my my bigger thing is like more so from like a secular point of view these girls who will

03:20:18.760 have had one night stands or hooked up relatively quickly say the last three boyfriends they had

03:20:23.960 they slept with them on the first second third date then they're like look you can change up

03:20:28.360 at any time however you want to move that's your call but i think you're allowed to feel like you're

03:20:34.600 getting a raw deal as a guy if like the girl you hooked up relatively quickly without anything and

03:20:45.160 now you're a week ago and then now you meet me and now you want to make me wait three months that's your

03:20:52.600 call but i'ma feel raw about i'm like hold on this isn't your actual val like this isn't your values it's

03:20:59.400 not your values it's just some like arbitrary thing that you're like um playing a game essentially

03:21:06.760 you're playing a game like you're trying to leverage sex to get something out of me whether

03:21:10.920 that's commitment or whatever and so uh i don't know it feels like a raw deal it's like how much

03:21:16.280 did your mindset change in seven days now that that you're now so passionate about this

03:21:23.320 yeah i mean some girls i mean you'll hear stories of a girl who's currently sleeping with a dude who

03:21:29.400 has a friends with benefits and then but she's like dating a guy who she's potentially eyeing

03:21:34.120 as a boyfriend long term and she's making him wait while fucking another dude that's crazy to me

03:21:40.760 i mean you can do it you can do it it feels like a raw deal it's kind of like

03:21:45.320 hey uh i'm trying to think of a perfect example uh here it's like uh

03:21:49.800 uh you go to a car dealership and uh

03:21:57.240 so uh yeah you buy a car for for twenty thousand dollars you as a woman you buy a car for twenty

03:22:05.480 thousand dollars and then you find out your girlfriend got the same car brand new car for

03:22:11.000 ten thousand dollars you're like that's not hold on that's not fair why'd they get a better deal than me

03:22:17.240 you know dealership says i just felt like it no reason you know so i don't know i think there

03:22:26.840 should be a waiting period between that and so there shouldn't be like okay i'm i'm i had sex

03:22:33.160 seven days ago and now i'm going to wait till marriage but i'm going to go on a date on friday you

03:22:38.280 shouldn't do that you should wait there should be a waiting period before you start to date again

03:22:44.760 would that make you feel better or would you still be mad if it's been six months to a year

03:22:49.960 i mean usually that's part of repentance ulysses the pagan donated two hundred dollars girl in the

03:22:56.120 yellow trust me this guy in my opinion was playing up that he agrees that it shouldn't have happened

03:23:01.560 the intention all along was to smash eventually he'll stop being your friend and ghost but i'm

03:23:08.760 just confused like so you guys said you liked each other yeah

03:23:16.760 i feel like we're not i do actually want to dig in a little bit more on this you said you liked each

03:23:21.080 other you guys had sex why not continue to date like just because you had sex doesn't mean you have

03:23:28.200 to no longer that's where i'm confused yeah that was the biggest point for me it was long distance

03:23:34.040 and but then why'd y'all smash why does it matter if it's long distance if you guys aren't doing that

03:23:39.640 because that's a good point preference i wasn't comfortable with long distance me either i was just

03:23:45.240 asking yeah and um and then again i i saw it through after a while and i was like wow that's not what i

03:23:54.600 want for the relationship that's not what i want for my marriage to be and um you don't want your

03:23:59.640 marriage to be what i wouldn't want to have premarital wait so so we already had um you know

03:24:07.640 sex before before marriage so um and it was mutual i'm not like but um but that's just not how i would

03:24:16.040 want my marriage to be so it like i kind of counted that out what if he what if he asked you to marry him

03:24:22.520 afterwards um like after like after what was what happened if he were like actually i'd consider

03:24:33.400 it he's a great guy it's just that it was long distance and you know we fell into temptation but

03:24:39.960 but i don't know just wouldn't that be more motivation to stay together though now that you

03:24:46.840 because you're it seems like you're justifying part of the reason of not wanting to continue

03:24:51.880 seeing him aside from the long distance thing some of the pretext there is you did have premarital sex

03:24:59.480 so now he's so that's like a that's like a negative a negative mark against him no it's not negative um

03:25:07.640 not negative in any way like i i see him as a great person and we still get along but it's just the fact

03:25:14.600 that it's premarital that i i feel bad about it and that's just not the way i would want my marriage

03:25:20.280 to go but you already wait but but if he asked you to marry him afterwards would you be opposed to

03:25:26.520 that since y'all already had been slept together um i i'm not sure i'd really have to think about it

03:25:36.760 like say like a guy did come to you and you really thought he was husband material you really wanted to

03:25:42.280 marry him but you like accidentally had premarital sex with him like would you just automatically be

03:25:48.040 like oh i can't because i don't want to do that but what if you did want to marry him like would you

03:25:52.760 automatically disqualify him because you had that premarital sex with him even though it was a mutual

03:25:58.200 agreement yeah um yeah i'd still think it's wrong it's still yeah

03:26:04.680 i guess it's like i just like question like how committed to you are this like would it be better

03:26:13.000 for you to say you're just waiting for the right person or are you actually waiting for marriage

03:26:18.840 no definitely waiting till marriage because i think the right person will wait for marriage

03:26:22.520 but but but intercourse is two people so if you're also agreeing to premarital sex it's because

03:26:32.840 you also said yes so if you meet joe and you and joe fall into temptation even if you fell into it

03:26:43.000 right you fell into temptation and you fell into each other right and you had premarital sex now he's

03:26:49.720 not a candidate for marriage anymore yeah even though you also agreed to it and you thought joe

03:26:57.000 was the one he was going to be your husband you thought he was going to propose in two months and

03:27:03.000 you were like you know what he's the right one this feels right let's do it now that you guys have done

03:27:08.760 it you were so passionate about marrying him but because you had premarital sex now he's off the table

03:27:13.960 and not a candidate for marriage anymore how fair is that to him when it was a mutual decision for you

03:27:21.320 guys to have premarital sex that now he's not a candidate anymore because you two mutually agreed

03:27:26.920 on something no we definitely yeah no i see that um i don't think i mean i guess it isn't fair to him but

03:27:36.920 that's just me and my choice and i just i wouldn't be okay with that i'd feel i feel like it's not the

03:27:45.640 right thing to do so he bought the ring in march you guys had premarital sex in april oh that's different

03:27:53.240 that's but how do you know he bought the ring you've already told but you do you get what i'm saying you

03:27:58.520 don't know when your significant other buys you the ring to get ready to propose to you so he buys you

03:28:03.160 the ring in march you two mutually decide to have premarital sex in april and then at the end of

03:28:08.520 april you're like you know what i can't i'm not i'm not capable of marrying you anymore and he's like

03:28:12.520 well i already bought the ring i was going to propose to you next week but now you're like oh

03:28:16.680 well i'm sorry we had we both decided to have premarital sex and now you're not a candidate oh

03:28:21.000 then that's different if he already had the ring and we had that discussion then that's different what if

03:28:26.280 you didn't know what you didn't know he bought the ring you guys that's what we're saying so it's like

03:28:30.680 so he bought the ring we have the premarital the premarital marital sorry the premarital sex

03:28:36.280 and then i after was like nope he's not a candidate for me anymore and then after we have the discussion

03:28:41.080 of like well i bought the ring and but you've already broken his heart because you told him

03:28:45.240 you don't want to marry him do you get what i'm saying like he's not going to be like oh well i

03:28:50.040 already bought you a ring and now you're like oh okay well never mind then let's get married

03:28:54.840 you're like oh you bought the ring already that's okay now now it's okay that we had premarital sex because

03:29:00.040 now i know you had the intention to marry me also a quick question you say you want to wait for

03:29:05.560 marriage what makes you be like oh let's just have sex with this person even though i don't want to

03:29:13.400 marry him but yet you're waiting for marriage where does that like line fall in between where like

03:29:20.040 i'll give this guy a pass like him specifically no just in general so you're saying like i gave this

03:29:27.560 guy a pass but after that i'm like okay now i'm waiting until marriage yeah like if you already

03:29:33.160 knew you were gonna sorry if you already if you already knew you were gonna wait till marriage

03:29:38.200 like why even try to pursue him right didn't you say the the reason you didn't want to continue

03:29:45.080 seeing him was because of long distance yes so why did you even bother carrying on

03:29:52.440 this friendship and then allowing it to proceed into a romantic relationship and then allowing

03:29:58.520 sex to occur if you already had the pre-determination that long distance is a deal breaker like not to be

03:30:06.760 rude it wasn't a deal breaker can i sum something up yeah so i think that whenever you guys met there

03:30:13.000 was the interest there you both knew underlyingly that you were interested that's why you continue to

03:30:18.120 talk all those months you finally met up you acted on the temptation you're like hey this isn't really

03:30:23.320 in alignment with my beliefs i feel shame surrounding what happened and he's like oh yeah okay whatever

03:30:29.480 men don't care like that that you're religious they don't care and so he essentially are you

03:30:35.000 associating shame with him and that's why you no longer want to pursue him no shame is no i would

03:30:41.000 not necessarily shame is a strong word but it's just that you acted and that was not in alignment with

03:30:45.320 your beliefs so you do not want to continue going down that road with him because he also partook

03:30:51.640 in something that was not in alignment with your beliefs exactly but like okay wait hold on hold on

03:30:57.480 hold on hold on hold on hold on i didn't even get an answer to my question so my question is

03:31:02.440 why knowing like the justification you provided for why you didn't actually after having had sex you

03:31:09.960 didn't want to pursue it is because it was long distance you knew prior to this rendezvous that it

03:31:17.240 was long distance he lived in arizona you live in los angeles so one why did you even pursue it and then

03:31:24.280 two why did you have sex with him knowing it's long distance if you're i mean perhaps it's um

03:31:32.280 it's post-talk justification but she knew he was in arizona she admitted that she knew what she was

03:31:39.880 doing did you hold on why don't we let her explain it go well the reason why i kept pursuing it and

03:31:45.400 kept talking him was because i really liked him he was funny just great person but um he's still he's

03:31:51.240 still funny right yeah still a great person of course okay so then it's not because he lives in arizona

03:31:57.880 then that is a factor i mean but then why okay but hold on what changed because he was always in

03:32:04.840 arizona right you guys met up and you had sex what are the variables what are the factors here that led

03:32:11.800 to you now being your friends then it was elevated to romantic prospect you had sex now it's back to

03:32:21.640 friends we're not dating we're not dating no but we we are good friends not like we're best friends and

03:32:27.480 we talk every day but we still we can get along and we hold on hold on wait wait you're single

03:32:32.440 i am and are you are you you talking to any guys right now

03:32:38.920 i'm a christian man i come into the picture i find out you're good friends and talking to a guy who you

03:32:43.800 fucked that's crazy well we're not that's another topic though but that's another topic though you

03:32:49.640 said you talk all the time and you're friends i didn't say we talk all the time okay what did you

03:32:53.160 get along like we are you know we're we're human we're still we're fine we don't have any bad terms

03:32:58.520 or anything regardless of what happened okay so you're not talking to him then it's just amicable

03:33:01.800 maybe i misunderstood no like i know his family so how often do you talk to him last time i talked to

03:33:06.680 him was probably i would say a month or two no like okay all right i perhaps misunderstood in any case

03:33:13.320 i'm still confused i haven't really gotten an answer you knew he lived in arizona yes okay why did you

03:33:19.160 pursue him if long distance was an issue well it wasn't like a great issue or anything but

03:33:28.520 go ahead do you think it was an actual like fall into temptation or a lack of discipline of your

03:33:36.120 decision and faith i would say both hold on i got a question for the ladies if you're you meet a guy

03:33:45.560 you've been talking to him for months you both have told each other you like each other like don't

03:33:52.280 like y'all know kind of if you're like i'm ready to fuck this guy right well and if right and if you

03:33:59.320 add alcohol you know what i mean if you add alcohol to the mix then you're setting yourself up to fall

03:34:04.920 into temptation i'm not i'm not disagreeing with you i actually i actually think that if you're going to

03:34:14.280 say that this is my belief then you have to set yourself up for success to honor that belief well

03:34:20.840 that and i'm not saying that to shame you by the way it's just like if if like you're she's training

03:34:25.320 for a fitness competition right so she's dedicated she's committed she's setting herself up for success

03:34:30.040 by packing protein snacks by hydrating by training so if if you are going to have the belief and share

03:34:36.600 that belief of i'm a christian and i'm waiting until marriage then you have to set yourself up for

03:34:40.920 success by not drinking with someone that you're attracted to right that you don't want to does

03:34:47.000 that make sense no it's true but that belief became stronger after him so i didn't express those things

03:34:52.680 with him i wasn't already like well i'm christian i'm waiting until marriage and i think that's why

03:34:56.280 it was so easily to fall into temptation because i didn't have those strong values as i do okay that's

03:35:01.480 where we so so after that situation it made it sound like after past long relationships you made that

03:35:09.160 decision you didn't make that decision until two months ago it was definitely after arizona there

03:35:15.000 we're gonna call him arizona um that i was like okay i definitely need to be stronger in my discipline

03:35:20.280 my beliefs and because i just don't want to do that anymore yeah okay i'm sorry no you're fine but

03:35:25.480 but this sounds like this sounds like to me it seems like like yeah you made a mistake but it

03:35:32.440 might almost be better to pursue a man and to be your husband if you made the mistake with him

03:35:40.600 like i don't know if that makes sense instead of push it away so now you just added a body and you

03:35:44.680 also don't want to marry this person yeah i don't know if we're getting the whole story here

03:35:49.640 what's missing okay so you guys how you went you went to arizona or he came here no he came to la he

03:35:57.960 came to la how long was he in la for um he was only here for a couple of days he was like on some

03:36:03.480 break from school okay so you guys hook up yeah and then it was like about three days do you guys hang

03:36:07.880 out after you hook up or okay and everything's good or yeah you only hook up once or a couple times

03:36:13.560 it was only once one first day or on the last no between me and the only second very detailed

03:36:22.280 wait you only hooked wait so you hooked up once or multiple times no it was only once one time okay

03:36:28.120 and so how did i mean you guys both told each other you liked each other right right what did he

03:36:35.800 tell you in terms of what he was looking for he wanted to keep seeing you um well no like we

03:36:43.240 definitely did keep talking but it was i think we were both mutually like oh it felt kind of

03:36:48.760 uncomfortable i don't know like wait it felt uncomfortable mutually uncomfortable but didn't

03:36:54.040 you say that you didn't express this whole waiting until marriage thing and that you're a christian

03:36:59.400 right is he a christian um well his family is i'm not sure if he is specifically so how i mean

03:37:06.280 i assume like he you guys had sex

03:37:13.960 why would he also be uncomfortable that you guys had sex this seems to be he was uncomfortable because

03:37:20.200 she was uncomfortable well sure that's fair but i don't think because i we we had like a discussion

03:37:27.320 about it and i told him like you know what i i feel wrong about this i do feel yeah uncomfortable about

03:37:32.200 it and i just we kind of agreed to stop talking after that and um so you stopped talking because

03:37:38.760 you had the sex yeah then why did because then we all but then after some time we did talk about it

03:37:45.880 again and we you know we were on good terms well were you ever on bad terms i guess in that period

03:37:52.920 where i told him like i i don't want to talk anymore and we stopped talking

03:37:59.640 was that before he left back to arizona or after no that was after

03:38:05.000 so that brings me back was it in the beginning or was it in the end how was your interaction after you

03:38:10.600 did it while you were still together so the interaction after we had sex yes were you still

03:38:16.200 together for like two days in person yeah yeah like we so it's the beginning okay and then

03:38:22.680 how did you interact you didn't tell him about that then after you guys did it you waited until

03:38:26.520 he got home to tell him that he was uncomfortable how did you guys interact in person was it something

03:38:31.480 else was his personality and being together what made you also uncomfortable like wow i shouldn't

03:38:36.120 have done that because this guy doesn't do the same things that i feel for him over the phone

03:38:40.680 as in comparison to in person or like can we go deeper the epiphany was definitely like after um

03:38:49.400 no he flew back home and we would still talk but then after after like a while i was like okay this

03:38:55.240 it wasn't the right thing to do it sunk in and i was like i i i it's not that i regret it he's a great

03:39:00.440 person right but um it just it wasn't the right thing to do because i i truly want to get married and

03:39:07.000 have kids someday and i just don't want i don't want that so when you woke up that morning you were

03:39:12.520 like oh why did i do that no it wasn't like i woke up that morning like the following day it wasn't

03:39:17.240 like um i don't know what they call it like epiphany yeah yeah that that it definitely wasn't that like

03:39:24.120 we still got along we we still went out the following day and and we yeah but um but somewhere

03:39:31.400 along like after like a month i was like okay um i do have i do want to get married someday i do want to

03:39:36.440 have kids and i just don't want it to be with him yeah essentially yeah it's okay you know we all

03:39:43.560 make mistakes that's why god gave you free will is and then sometimes maybe that's the reason why so

03:39:49.240 you can learn from those mistakes and realize what you do and what you don't want but it seems like

03:39:55.160 what the girls on this side are trying to clarify is was the deal breaker that you guys hooked up like

03:40:02.280 is that was a deal breaker that he agreed to partake in premarital sex or was it something else

03:40:07.880 i guess there were a lot of deal breakers it was the premarital sex it was long distance is difficult

03:40:12.920 um and then also around that time that was like um yeah that was like a year ago and i was still

03:40:18.680 you know we were both he's still in school and i'm still you know working and stuff so it was just

03:40:24.120 it just didn't feel right to me and it sounded like what brian was asking was you knew all those

03:40:29.240 things beforehand because nothing actually changed about those variables of him of him being far away

03:40:34.440 or whatever like whatever the variables are that you just listed so it sounded like what he was

03:40:39.720 asking is if you knew all that going in why did you still like show up and hang out well i just put

03:40:46.440 yourself and put yourself in the position to have premarital sex right no i just i just really like

03:40:52.680 the guy and sometimes when you have feelings it just kind of stirs it just kind of goes about away and

03:40:57.160 again that was before my right before you made the decision but it sounds like now you would not

03:41:01.640 follow how you feel because you're determined to follow your beliefs right and to to exercise

03:41:06.840 discipline to what what is it this is a long conversation about the same thing what the

03:41:14.680 fuck wait is it andrew eating oh my god we're not getting anywhere but to the same point over and over

03:41:21.960 i think we all understand yeah like next agree there's so many questions to ask no more premarital

03:41:27.480 sex she's not getting enough attention it's not about my attention we could talk about

03:41:31.640 you need to be pampered i will say pampering i did put that in my bio is that we a lot of the times

03:41:38.600 one topic is we just asked her the same question all of us every single one of us asked her the same

03:41:45.640 questions around and with the same answer and then we're like maybe we can simplify a little bit

03:41:51.000 i don't get it you don't have to get it she's not asking you to not have premarital sex with her

03:41:56.680 she's not asking you to wait until marriage to have sex with her so it doesn't it doesn't matter

03:42:02.920 whether you get it or not there's a lot of beating my face there's a lot of there's a lot of cope going

03:42:09.160 on there's a lot of i don't believe this going on in my brain right now what part don't you believe

03:42:15.000 it makes it's just you just said i really really liked the guy and then we fucked and now i don't

03:42:22.360 really really like it he didn't put down he's amazing he's an amazing person but i don't want

03:42:29.640 to date him he's so i he's such a great guy he's so amazing but i wouldn't do it again we

03:42:44.440 fucked even though it's against my values you're telling me you've never been with somebody you

03:42:49.560 felt like oh i really want to be with this person then you did it and then it you didn't want to do

03:42:55.160 it no more something magically changed no it just wasn't it now let's move on because you're talking

03:43:01.240 about the sex because yes i'm talking about the sex if you see an itty bitty piggy in the market

03:43:06.120 are you saying that's what the case is with her i'm out of here are you saying that's what the case

03:43:11.160 is with her i'm not saying that because that's not what she said she didn't say that but in my opinion

03:43:16.120 what i got from all these questions is that's what my opinion is is something about that felt off

03:43:23.240 because if if it doesn't feel good if it doesn't feel good in your soul to have sex with somebody

03:43:28.440 and you want to move on then something about that is what's wrong because you liked him before

03:43:33.240 and you don't like him after so you're you're saying for her it's because the sex was a bit

03:43:37.800 trash i can't speak for her but in my experience if that's how i felt then that's what it was

03:43:42.600 i don't think it was that i don't think it was so what do you think it was

03:43:47.320 you don't understand what it was but as a woman that's what i understood wait wait i was under

03:43:52.360 the assumption that you had this strong strong of faith prior to him now to clear it up you had

03:43:59.640 this this a strong faith after him exactly and no but that's not but she's saying that's what

03:44:07.640 happened and so we were all under the presumption so she had it before she can have her faith and

03:44:12.760 then she can have you're saying as he was fucking her she was like is that how you do it brian oh

03:44:21.400 i need to really focus on god right now this is not it you and me do it like this yeah see i don't

03:44:28.040 know bro like she she didn't she didn't want to wait till marriage and literally as he's inside of

03:44:34.600 her that's she was like oh wait marriage is what'll make this better that it was after a couple months

03:44:40.440 after the the sex if that's what we're calling it no no but you stopped dating him immediately

03:44:45.560 no i didn't she said a month after she said yeah okay so i tried he flew in

03:44:50.120 we hung up the first day no but you said you felt bad about having the sex

03:44:54.120 like i didn't say immediately she said not she did she literally answered my question when i asked

03:44:58.920 or was it you're just not listening you're not paying attention the next day she said no it wasn't

03:45:02.200 the next day it was after you left you had this standard like after your first relationship and

03:45:06.840 we were just saying practice what you preach i have a question i have a question so if he would have

03:45:11.560 stayed there in town after y'all would have done it would you still have felt shame about it

03:45:17.560 if he was still around you

03:45:20.760 i mean we're still continuing it what can i do bro okay that was a valid question i do actually

03:45:29.480 hear sort of shifting gears a little bit but it's related to this so you're like well oh what if you're

03:45:35.160 as a guy you hit and the pussy's not good is that what you're saying bro hold on first off

03:45:40.120 pussy is like pizza it's hard to mess up pizza right no because what do you put too much tomato sauce

03:45:47.560 look i'm just saying most pussies good pussy right it's hard to mess up huh nearly all

03:45:59.720 pussy is good pussy i'm just saying yeah earmuffs andrew earmuffs but you disagree yes there's so

03:46:08.520 many poochies that are not i'm bisexual oh yeah so what kind of pussy are you talking about but like

03:46:14.760 it's it's also what's attached to it so it's like the oh no yeah yeah of course you know

03:46:20.920 like she could be a dead fish she could be not you know like that's okay for you she could be a

03:46:26.200 screecher like she just like she just lays there like that and you enjoy it even if first off that's so

03:46:33.800 rare wait wait wait wait i think there's three bisexual women in a row right now we are telling you

03:46:43.640 that all do you have a penis do you have a penis you have a penis you got a penis it's different

03:46:47.880 i mean i could put one on yeah i'm just saying it's different like i have one i can strap on no

03:46:54.200 you don't feel it on your on your fake penis is what he's trying to say wait so what's your point

03:46:59.400 that not that lady is matter hold on okay first off if you know what you're doing in bed and you

03:47:05.720 know how to lead in the bedroom you can take a girl who's a virgin and have great sex with her

03:47:11.480 so this idea that not not all pussy like like come on bro if you know what you're doing as a guy

03:47:17.960 most women want the guy to take the lead anyways so if you know what you're doing but that doesn't

03:47:22.360 mean she's always going to be receptive all it takes okay all it takes for a girl to be good in bed

03:47:28.600 really so long as the guy is capable and knows what he's doing as and has some degree of experience is

03:47:35.000 open-mindedness and enthusiasm that's it of course if she's like unenthusiastic who that's bad in

03:47:43.080 general right so so it doesn't necessarily have to be about good are you talking about the feeling

03:47:50.840 are you talking about the feeling he's talking about the mushy gushy there's there's different

03:47:54.280 levels right there's different levels so i mean i guess there's the are you talking about that's the

03:47:57.480 dead fish is what she was talking about like the actual physical energy no that's what we weren't

03:48:03.320 talking about look there is different there is different kinds of pussy too you know what i mean

03:48:10.440 why are you blushing chill out it's all flustered

03:48:15.960 that's what i'm saying like it's not all good like it's hey don't throw i know you have a thing

03:48:21.640 against big ladies okay no i'm not don't you dare in my presence doesn't that mean there's more

03:48:26.760 grippage for you honestly let's take a grip yeah so there's nothing wrong with okay so that's not

03:48:33.000 what i'm saying i'm saying that you sound like a big labia hater honestly yeah stop i literally just

03:48:39.720 said i don't mind it yeah okay i literally said doesn't it give you more grip that's what i said but

03:48:47.400 what i'm saying is is that it's the vibe the vibe that the person's giving off too like if you're

03:48:54.360 there and you're penetrating right and she's just laying there like this

03:49:00.200 are you into that like how many times how many girls have you been with like probably five or six

03:49:05.720 how many have have the girls done that ever like two really yeah were they like on the fence

03:49:13.800 bisexual no they're full-blown like lesbians they're but yeah oh they were bisexual yeah but

03:49:18.600 they were damn you you must have been up in some way no offense they're just they were just laying

03:49:24.280 there like well no because then i i also watched them with a man and they did the same thing so

03:49:30.280 what kind of girls were they i don't know where they had a little screw loose or what

03:49:35.000 you've never slept with a like a someone who wasn't enthusiastic in the bedroom you're that lucky

03:49:40.360 let me think about this it doesn't have very many uh let's not say like a woman who acted like she

03:49:47.160 was doing you a favor instead of like wanting to be that which is there i've had i've been with women

03:49:53.080 who have been more enthusiastic than others but overwhelmingly i don't think i've had a girl who's just like

03:49:58.760 i can i've never had that

03:50:07.880 they never said i came what's your longest yeah you probably never know no hold up that's not hold up

03:50:16.200 hold up no i've never had that like encounter where you were like wow that wasn't like the best sex i've

03:50:23.240 have had like that was like pretty boring well like she didn't do any work like she didn't i like

03:50:28.360 it well hold on do i like it if they don't do i'll need a girl to do work do you just want her to

03:50:33.720 lay there no that's not what i'm saying you're the boring i'm saying you're the problem i'm not the

03:50:37.800 problem i'm saying like if if you know how to take the lead in the bedroom then it's like

03:50:45.160 for example even if a girl's on top i want to do the work see but there's a difference between

03:50:49.720 you taking the lead there's a difference between you taking the lead and telling her what to do and

03:50:55.640 her being receptive to that i'll boss around and she's gonna listen to you and then there's a

03:51:01.640 difference between like just being there and she's just like doing it to do it because she's doing it

03:51:09.160 who you fucking what the fuck yeah because it's like why are you having sex then but you don't know

03:51:15.560 that until you're in the situation though you know what i mean i've had like tired sex black

03:51:19.480 i've had tired sex yeah oh my god but you can just like okay i mean i guess i just took some

03:51:25.800 melatonin i'm not saying this happens to me all the time i took some melatonin and she's like babe i

03:51:29.240 want to i'm like damn i just took some fucking melatonin and chill out she's like let's i'm like okay

03:51:34.200 let's go i literally want to see i want to see chat right now because i want to know how many men have

03:51:39.320 had sex with women who are like dead fish in the bedroom there is a name for it in japanese actually

03:51:43.960 maguro like it's a there's a whole you have to be like so deep into a relationship for that to

03:51:49.240 happen though i feel i don't feel like no you can like you can essentially like uh say say i'm

03:51:55.400 pursuing her it's really hot and it's great and then once we go and we close the doors she just lays

03:52:02.280 there and i'm just like it's like a pillow princess like she just she just wants to raise

03:52:06.920 there and just wants to receive oh no you know what i think it is you know what i think it is

03:52:12.120 i think it's the extroverted beesies that be fucking pillow princess pillow princesses and

03:52:20.360 like what's it called dead fish or dead fish i date introverted chicks and like shy quiet

03:52:28.120 chicks oh they're freaks they're fucking free i'm just saying it's the introverted chicks it's not

03:52:34.360 these loud fucking boisterous extroverted chicks that are freaky it's the quiet girls yeah that library

03:52:40.120 with the glasses and that the library chick's gonna rock your world yeah i mean and but again

03:52:45.720 it's just one of those things like you don't know until you and i'm not saying like every i've had a

03:52:50.200 lot of great experiences with women so i'm not saying that i find it often but i have heard of

03:52:58.840 scenarios where what about like hygiene oh i mean yeah that's everyone should have good hygiene yeah

03:53:05.080 wait what do you mean that's another that's another shameful like not shameful but like it's

03:53:09.720 a shame because you don't know until you're there yeah and then you're like

03:53:15.480 if it smells like dead fish

03:53:20.680 i don't know how we got i think i was just talking about pizza or something i don't know

03:53:23.560 you said all yeah i said you said it's like you can't fuck up a pizza you definitely can okay

03:53:31.240 here's the thing right even bad pizza it's still good it's still good i mean you're still gonna you

03:53:38.280 know unless there be pineapple on it i knew you were gonna say that someone was gonna say i was

03:53:42.200 gonna ask who likes pineapple on their pizza there's look there's different look but here's the thing

03:53:47.800 though there's also like some some super like next level transcendent super saiyan level five

03:53:55.400 pussy too that that's where you get a comparison that can get you into trouble as a guy that's why

03:54:01.960 i actually think that so there's a this concept called alpha widow where like once a once a girl

03:54:07.000 gets with a certain it could it could be personality it could be the the d game could be status could be

03:54:13.560 money once you get with a certain tier of dude it's gonna be hard to date like normal guys or once

03:54:21.240 a guy knows how to hit it like just right then you're like you're gonna now i'm sad forever you're

03:54:25.720 just sad forever once you get with a chick who can't who like comes instantly you're it's over

03:54:33.320 i can't satisfy any woman it's just it's done you're done once you get with a girl who comes

03:54:38.920 like has she's lying what she was probably lying no bro it once you get with a girl who comes

03:54:45.160 instantly and can come like 50 times it's you're it's over right you know she was boosting her head

03:54:52.040 yeah have you encountered a girl like that that can come multiple times yeah yeah it's just it's over

03:54:58.360 sorry andrew earmuffs i know they got the super saiyan pussy you know what i mean they got that gorilla

03:55:05.000 grip well no it's not not about that they're just like overly sensitive and it just like because

03:55:12.680 typically what happens when you're stimulated once initially and you orgasm you're so sensitive and

03:55:18.920 stimulated that it just continues to happen over and over and over again yeah so then you compare

03:55:24.760 every other girl to her what do you mean are you alpha widow now brian a little bit i'm just saying

03:55:31.240 like you like you're saying it's so good so like do you compare every other girl to her because

03:55:35.240 you're saying like after after that it like it's done for everyone else exactly different you know

03:55:41.240 what i mean it's a little different so you're saying it could be different just it can't be bad

03:55:47.400 that's why both men and women should not be promiscuous because every time you're rolling the dice

03:55:52.840 you're playing russian roulette and once you land on the super saiyan pussy

03:56:00.920 you're just it's it's like you're gonna compare oh it's you're you're just gonna make these comparisons

03:56:07.160 and yeah people do that about personality as well yeah that's what i'm saying like once you

03:56:13.320 the person that you just vibed with the best your first love to you know a lot of people i just think

03:56:18.760 there's also room for evolution too you cannot have transcendent sex with someone and then have

03:56:24.280 transcendent sex with them later on down the road well what in the world is transcendent sex

03:56:32.040 what what kind of maybe one day you will join the club maybe one day you will join the sun he's married

03:56:40.280 my eyes closed maybe maybe what does me being married have to do with not understanding transcendent

03:56:45.560 sex what kind of absurd no that's what we're saying you probably do understand it because you're

03:56:49.640 married oh yeah what is train what is transcendent like it just gets better right it gets better

03:56:56.040 devon jackson donated two hundred dollars interesting how the energy from these strumpets

03:57:02.040 increases when it becomes a degenerate conversation i feel like it was more like your energy

03:57:08.040 energy hold on he's a brave and decent man he's a pioneer my energy you went from being distraught

03:57:15.320 to very passionate real quick i don't know she brought it up you brought it up what i bring up

03:57:20.840 i don't know you were talking i just said can we move forward yeah but then you talked about well

03:57:25.560 maybe the sex wasn't gonna i mean yeah i mean oh here's the here's the actual quote it so it goes

03:57:30.760 sex is a lot like pizza when it's good it's great when it's bad it's still pretty good

03:57:36.520 i think that's the quote i must have got mixed up a little bit makes sense but i think that

03:57:43.080 applies more to men than women yeah definitely because i've had bad pizza because here's the

03:57:48.280 difference right what pizza is bad pizza and chunky too much sauce pizza why is there more sauce

03:57:55.160 even those are okay and hunger levels because if you were satiated from some really good pizza

03:58:01.400 would you still go for the decent pizza 100 well i think i do think here's the difference though

03:58:09.240 because i think and this kind of relates to the the differential in terms of like a girl could just

03:58:17.880 lay there and like we could through our own effort still remote like 99 of men could reach climax

03:58:26.040 oh for sure but i would argue if a guy just laid there could 99 of women just reach climax just

03:58:33.640 through sexual and of course alone i mean if you maintain that boner and you let me just use you then

03:58:39.320 yeah yeah some women but but also uh there's a higher percentage of women that can't orgasm from

03:58:48.120 penetration then that's true you know that is true well put anyways let's move it on from from this

03:58:57.240 sounds like a good idea um good times good times uh where were we oh davon jackson we do we have

03:59:05.560 any superstars what what was the thing we had to pull up nick we talked about the bow right nobody

03:59:11.320 liked the bow yeah it's unfortunate oh math we did we already did that we did that uh we did we could

03:59:18.680 go back to age gap stuff or we could do wasn't there another um thing that came up what's that i thought

03:59:25.880 there was another one that came up that just didn't ding i just didn't hear it not sure let's react to the

03:59:32.440 uh desirable truth clip i saw this this was an interesting one

03:59:35.160 before that though go to twitch.tv slash whatever drops a follow drops prime sub boys

03:59:45.320 twitch.tv slash whatever guys it's been holy frick boys two hours since we last out of prime i think

03:59:51.480 it's bugged i think it's bugged boys can you somebody uh drop us a little twitch prime in the

03:59:56.920 chat and you know i don't know what's going on twitch is something's going on with our twitch there's

04:00:02.680 something going on so twitch.tv slash whatever drops the prime zone and then also nick could you

04:00:07.800 pull up our spotify and apple thing guys we got yo durin durin thank you for the gifted 10 subs

04:00:16.680 guys go to apple podcasts find our podcast whatever pot the link is at the very bottom of

04:00:21.960 the description for this video drop us a five-star review boys and then also write a little a little

04:00:28.680 review in the chat say something nice because we got we got uh review bombed by some haters and then

04:00:35.560 also on spotify go to spotify just drop us five stars boys over there on spotify thank you thank you

04:00:41.640 thank you okay nick you can pull up think it up or pull it up let's let's go all right make it a little

04:00:51.080 bigger oh i saw this okay go ahead 26 22 how long you've been together two years if she gave you a

04:01:04.200 guilt-free pass to sleep with anybody would you take it no sir you you only you might get one pass but

04:01:10.760 at the end of the day you want one wife and this is the life i want so no okay now what about you if

04:01:18.200 he gave you one if he gave me a guilt treat pass i would take it that's crazy that's crazy sorry

04:01:26.760 that's crazy who would you take it with um lindy waters the third oh no don't even know who that

04:01:34.120 is she's not the third that's our problem yep yep who else um barry sanders i'm in love of him

04:01:42.760 now what do you think does it look like those men have over your men uh they're professional athletes

04:01:49.400 that's crazy hey black or white one is native american and one's black but do you think that

04:01:57.560 any of those guys would go for you uh junior one that's crazy hey at the end of the day it's whatever

04:02:06.520 whatever i'll do today i don't care how old are you yikes okay she would have been with him she

04:02:13.160 would have been with the guy holding the mic at this point anybody he had his arm around her he

04:02:17.080 could have just cinched it a little bit closer you know just kind of yeah just cinched it a little bit

04:02:23.800 but no he didn't i wonder um is it like a lot of those kind of on the street interviews though i i don't

04:02:31.640 know i don't know i don't want to throw the guy under the bus he he does a lot of those kind of

04:02:35.560 clips interviews i wonder if a lot of those are staged though it's i mean it could be real i don't

04:02:42.360 know i think it's real do you think it was real yeah i think so people there are a lot of people

04:02:47.960 she had that she had those answers yeah ready is that i've been thinking about this question is

04:02:53.720 that so going around the table is that a breakup is that a dump

04:02:56.360 no yes but that's just me that's just you okay what do you think yeah if i'm the guy right for

04:03:06.840 sure you're the guy you never love me yeah yeah it's a breakup breakup oh i'd be gone she's

04:03:14.120 foreshadowing here's your early pass so for me the reasoning is is that they're professional

04:03:19.000 athletes that will probably never look twice at her but so she said that they would they probably

04:03:23.720 would she's good she's good looking actually she would take the whole team at once they'd probably

04:03:32.200 so yeah if you would say that in front of your dude she was on camera he was 22 though that was

04:03:38.280 an interesting uh typically that's also worrisome just that she's 26 and thinks that way

04:03:46.200 yeah yo bro you need a little advice you need some advice

04:03:51.720 let's shoot me a dm my advice will basically say dump her that's it that's crazy that's crazy

04:04:01.240 he's gonna he's gonna get clowns on he probably for the rest of his life

04:04:05.640 so did the girl like you can't there's no recovering from that that's why if you're ever on the street

04:04:10.280 with your girl you can't if you're ever on the street with your girl and somebody wants to come

04:04:14.680 interview you about dating shit you can't do it's not gonna so like if yeah no no no wait wait wait

04:04:20.440 i got counter advice to this i think you can if you're not a sim so if he had gone what'd you just

04:04:27.480 say you stupid bitch get the fuck out of here then he would have been heralded as being epic and awesome

04:04:32.600 right he could have just done that instead of going that's crazy he could have been like get out of here

04:04:38.200 control what are you doing he could have done that that that is at least take your arm off her

04:04:43.880 yeah so like if you're dating someone and you're like if you had a free pass who would you use it

04:04:49.480 on and they said like a famous actress like you would get upset and break up with that person it's

04:04:56.760 the fact that he said nobody first and she continued with multiple different people and their first and

04:05:04.360 last and suffix like come on and the suffix i was just asking and her when he asked her why and she

04:05:12.360 said that they're professional athletes so i'm not good enough the reverse like what would he say like

04:05:17.240 because they're hotter because they're because you're not a model yeah yeah major yikes either way it

04:05:25.320 would hurt major i think she dodged a bullet though because he's not married to her yet he's probably

04:05:29.880 still simpson they're probably still together i hope they're not his arms around her right now

04:05:36.360 i wonder which professional athlete this chick's thinking about

04:05:40.200 i hope the internet like bullied them so hard they're not together

04:05:45.080 they shouldn't be together i wonder what their role play is like

04:05:47.640 that's what it takes yeah yeah she's like hey babe i bought you this jersey can you wear it next time

04:05:54.760 we get it on put this helmet on damn r.i.p's r.i.p's in the chat for for that dude uh what was the other

04:06:07.000 thing we were gonna touch on there was i forgot

04:06:15.320 if the bow was staged would it still be as meaningful to you the bow video if it was oh

04:06:20.680 if you found out it was staged it was that was for sure yeah it was for sure a bit it was for sure a bit

04:06:27.960 but uh it still did but the message is nice why do we need all that other

04:06:34.360 shit i don't know all these girls be trying to cook but honestly that's good i'll just get door

04:06:39.960 dash top ramen the top the top ramen looked good wasn't there several dishes there were several

04:06:46.280 dishes yeah i don't know i don't know but why did they highlight the top ramen why would you highlight

04:06:52.760 the the like what i think they were highlighting that she was mixing it for him but if it was like

04:06:57.880 she was taking care of everything made it yeah if she made it all you did with water and the

04:07:03.400 microwave like but not what if she made it from scratch oh i guess you never know we need the

04:07:10.280 back story please that'd be making everything from scratch today i'm coming here with

04:07:17.080 today i'm making my face right

04:07:19.240 what kind of potato chips chips by the way tts is now back to 69 dollars guys if any of you want to

04:07:36.840 get your tts's in we have it back to 69 let me just double check make sure that everything has been set up

04:07:44.920 so that can uh come through it should be good now uh what was the other thing let me get back to my

04:07:52.840 pre-show notes actually i do want to ask uh the bear question would you rather come across a random

04:07:58.920 man or a random bear in the woods i was here for that one and i pick man man

04:08:09.240 if you ever see a bear in the forest help the bear um probably

04:08:19.880 a man i guess i guess i fucking guess i feel like you can avoid a bear you just stand still it'll mind

04:08:27.560 his business go about his way a man might follow you so you choose the bear but do i choose the bear

04:08:33.400 though because

04:08:37.080 man just don't look at them what about you what's the context it you're just coming across them

04:08:45.240 a button is pressed you get magically transported into the woods and a random man out of the entire

04:08:52.920 population totally random man also gets transported into the woods so it's not like it's just some

04:08:57.640 like random dude intentionally in the woods it's a random dude who also got transported into the woods

04:09:04.440 and a random bear is could also be magically you will cross paths so it's not like you're gonna evade

04:09:10.200 that shit like you're you're just crossing paths basically do they both see me like is the man

04:09:16.520 predatory or just a regular man does he have a weapon you don't know well definitely a man either

04:09:21.160 way okay i would say a man yeah okay man and hope he's not like a predator yeah okay um bear because

04:09:33.080 i'm hoping it's yogi the bear oh that's cute if we're talking about like any random man well why

04:09:39.240 can't it be random bear or smokey the bear with the actual hypothetical give me a lesson about the

04:09:47.160 fire and is it a baby bear or an adult bear have you ever been to russia they cuddle with bears

04:09:55.880 but i guess in america they cuddle with men no what's your answer we don't bear just kidding man

04:10:03.000 of course man like woman or bear well woman or man yeah it's good it's kind of a question you can

04:10:11.160 really only pose to women i guess i mean i guess you can pose it to man okay a woman with a weapon

04:10:19.400 or a man or a bear

04:10:25.640 with a picnic basket what kind of weapon does the woman have

04:10:28.200 a gun

04:10:35.080 so it's between a would i rather be in the woods with a woman with a gun or a man or a bear or a bear

04:10:42.280 or a bear or or a bear yeah

04:10:47.000 the woman with the gun but she's already threatened by you

04:10:49.800 okay i see her from 50 yards away i do the most i just say hey there

04:11:02.200 and then i turn my ass around and walk away that's it okay well that works you know what though i was

04:11:08.520 thinking about this question the the man or bear question and i i was thinking what if you asked men

04:11:13.800 in reverse the exact same question i think i would rather get stuck in the middle of a forest with a

04:11:18.680 bear honestly than a woman i think of my chances of getting out alive are going to be better if i

04:11:24.360 was in the forest with a bear than if i was with a woman because you have to help perfectly honestly

04:11:29.000 yeah because you'd just be like oh god can you do something useful other than wine like that's that's

04:11:33.800 what i think would happen to be like have you ever done anything useful in your home can you do

04:11:38.600 anything i don't know i don't know how to do a shit that's what i think would happen so i think

04:11:42.920 i would rather go i'm just a girl

04:11:48.920 okay good times good times um well nobody really seems to want to you know the bear you know

04:11:55.640 y'all for the man if someone had said the bear what would that mean about them

04:12:00.200 i said the bear i said the bear yeah but you gave like a joking okay but if it really was an

04:12:08.840 actual bear yeah i would still take that you'd still take the bear yeah drop dead

04:12:16.440 act dead yeah like hey god it's me wait just curious why why the bear over the man wow how cool i'm

04:12:24.680 seeing a bear um i don't know i just feel like

04:12:32.360 being in the woods with the man just seems more scarier i mean it's their nap like that's their

04:12:37.640 home and i feel like if i can just act still and play dead they're gonna like not notice me versus

04:12:45.960 like an actual man who like because why are you out here why are we both out here i'm still

04:12:50.760 curious about the context because if i'm alone in the woods because i got lost and this other

04:12:55.800 random got lost in the woods and he's a generally good man i'd rather someone that i can converse

04:13:01.320 with and make it back to civilization with alive rather than a bear where it can really only go

04:13:07.880 so many ways especially if he's hungry like the man is in the same

04:13:13.080 the man is in the woods and for the same reason i guess i just like just randomly think he's like

04:13:17.640 going to hurt me i feel like with a bear he was already burying bodies down the road

04:13:25.640 okay all right uh elsa you said at least with your dating coaching business you said you turn

04:13:31.720 nice guys who chase women into confident men who choose their pick i think is that on your instagram or

04:13:39.560 okay uh so what's like some of your go-to uh dating advice for the for the gentleman out there

04:13:51.640 well earlier someone said i think it may have been you you were i don't know if this was your view so

04:13:58.040 correct me if i'm wrong but the view around dating multiple people being wrong i actually when i work

04:14:03.640 with clients i want them to date multiple women and i want them to choose a woman that best suits

04:14:11.240 what they're looking for and that is most compatible with them so when i work with clients like one

04:14:16.520 client that comes to mind andy that i worked with a few years back um he had the whole package in

04:14:24.040 terms of he's handsome and successful and kind but he didn't know how to position himself like

04:14:30.920 it's kind of like what you were saying would you rather a guy approach you nervous quivering no

04:14:35.960 confidence or would you rather him be smooth and confident so some men have all the ingredients

04:14:41.640 of a high quality dude but they just don't know how to position themselves that way and so one

04:14:46.680 piece of advice that i gave him and that i worked on with him was helping him become more confident

04:14:52.280 so that when he talks to a woman he's displaying he's displaying that protector and provider vibe that

04:14:58.920 a lot of women are looking for a man that makes them feel safe rather than a man who is safe like

04:15:04.360 the guy in the video that we just watched like according to that video he's not going anywhere

04:15:09.400 and so she clearly does not respect him too much and so that's that's what i help guys do i help them

04:15:17.560 display with more confidence and part of that is getting more experience and dating more women

04:15:22.920 and getting more exposure to attractive women so that they realize that the pedestal they have them on

04:15:27.800 isn't necessary like they're just ordinary people she may be very attractive but she's

04:15:34.200 an ordinary person just like you and part of how i do that is expose them to attractive women so i

04:15:40.440 bring a lot of attractive women to my coaching practice i pair them up on dates with the men and

04:15:46.600 essentially over time men start to normalize interacting with attractive women and then when

04:15:51.800 they do see that hot girl at the gym they just walk up to her instead of thinking about it and

04:15:56.120 talking themselves out of it and saying well she probably has a boyfriend or she probably gets

04:16:00.200 approached all the time which is actually not that not true usually attractive women the more

04:16:05.640 attractive she is the less she gets approached because many men are intimidated by it is it all

04:16:10.920 the mids they they get all the attention is what you're saying they do get more attention than

04:16:15.960 attractive women yeah yeah because it's less intimidating like there's the stakes aren't as high

04:16:21.960 so my goal is to help a nice guy a guy who positions like a nice guy who's insecure become the type of

04:16:30.920 dude that would walk up to the 10 at the gym and just shoot a shot word how does that work like in terms of

04:16:40.440 bringing the women in like i guess like your business structure yeah um so they're usually

04:16:47.560 women who are single and they are like physically attractive but they also can carry a conversation

04:16:55.160 so they're interesting they're passionate about something um and they come in they do a virtual

04:17:01.560 date it would kind of be like if you matched on a dating app and you did a facetime

04:17:05.640 call right so she's assessing like several different things about him and instead of

04:17:14.120 so in the real world when a guy goes on a date and this happens a lot to my clients before we start

04:17:18.120 working together he may if if that he if he goes on a date and he thinks that it went really well

04:17:24.120 and then the girl ghosts him after that that's feedback it's not feedback he can use because he has

04:17:29.960 no clue what he did wrong but it's feedback and the feedback is she wasn't feeling it right

04:17:34.920 so my goal is to externalize that feedback from attractable men so that men actually have something

04:17:40.440 actionable that they can do so okay you you're not feeling it but why is it because he didn't flirt

04:17:46.840 enough is it because he kept interrupting you is it because he's kind of fat and needs to lose weight

04:17:53.800 like what's the reason that you wouldn't give a guy like that a chance in the real world because if we

04:17:59.560 can take that data and give it to men men are problem solvers by nature so if you give them a

04:18:04.840 solution to their problem they'll act on it so but those women are actually single so sometimes they do

04:18:11.560 end up dating my clients it ends up happening that they want to stay connected um so they're not just

04:18:19.000 like acting in other words right they actually are open to meeting men how do you find those women

04:18:24.200 like what's that prop like word of mouth because i've been doing this for a long time so a lot of

04:18:29.480 the women who work with me spread the word to their other single female friends um wait so they they

04:18:37.160 go on fake dates i mean it's not really if yeah i guess in a sense it's fake and that they didn't

04:18:43.480 meet for the intention to date but they are open to it it would be kind of like if we were at a dinner

04:18:47.880 party and i introduced you to my single girlfriend and i was like hey this is katie i want you guys to

04:18:52.600 meet and then i walked away whatever happens from that point on is up to you it's not necessarily

04:18:57.880 fake like she may or may not be open to you well but the guys know that you're arranging

04:19:04.200 dates with these women right and the women know that too but if the woman's attracted to the guy

04:19:08.920 it's not going to stop her from going on a date with him no but like the the women are paid to go

04:19:13.560 on the dates right they're paid to give their feedback yes and the guy but the guys know that it's

04:19:18.280 not like a real date she's like taking the first step right um the guys know that it's not a real

04:19:23.080 date correct i used to not pay women the reason why i actually started to pay women is because a

04:19:27.880 lot of them would flake last minute because there's just no skin in the game right yeah so i started to

04:19:32.440 pay them to make sure they showed up and also honestly i was able to get more attractive women

04:19:37.960 that way okay uh yeah how much so but i'm assuming the guy has to pay then for the fake date well the

04:19:46.040 guy pays for the program he pays to to get and that includes like a date correct it corrects three dates

04:19:52.200 it includes three dates one one in the beginning how much is it what my price is sure yeah um i mean

04:20:00.280 depends on the package i don't just have like a one size fits all well it's it's a range it just depends

04:20:05.000 on yeah but you said whatever package it is it includes three days yes because i what's like the

04:20:12.600 different packages i guess i don't know

04:20:16.360 you can go to her website yeah just go to my instagram yeah it has it on your instagram if you

04:20:21.960 if you talk if we have the conversation on instagram we have to get on a call i know we have to get on

04:20:26.840 a call because i don't i don't know where that person's starting point is some men are like

04:20:30.760 some men are high profile they don't want to be in a group with other men they just want to work

04:20:34.360 with me directly that's one price some some men ulysses the pagan donated 69 dollars woman in black

04:20:42.680 do you discourage women from the hashtag me too mindset being that's the main reason men are

04:20:47.800 apprehensive approaching woman they have an aversion to being branded as a predator

04:20:53.880 okay yeah i mean i tell i tell my clients all the time that they need to stop feeling bad for

04:21:01.560 expressing their attraction to women because a lot of men don't want to be seen as creepy

04:21:06.280 and unfortunately like the bar for what is creepy is kind of it's blurred after the me too movement

04:21:12.680 to where a lot of men are like i'm just not even going to bother like i'm not even i'm just don't

04:21:16.360 even want to go there and i do think that that's unfortunate it sucks can we get back to the uh can we

04:21:21.560 get back to the pricing here i was interested in that why i'm curious what are y'all what are you

04:21:27.240 looking for out of the answer because it also depends on how much work you want to do well

04:21:31.000 why does there have to be an alternative uh motivation we're just curious sammy's a fitness

04:21:36.040 coach i'm assuming i don't want to no i'm assuming literally just gonna say i did the same thing

04:21:40.840 depending on how sam how much sammy is involved in the process i'm assuming there's different prices

04:21:47.160 like when i worked with a fitness coach there was a i'm gonna just write you a meal plan and you're

04:21:50.520 gonna execute on your own here are the exercises that's one price are you gonna answer the question

04:21:55.400 no like no because there's not one answer what's well what's the average price it's any it ranges

04:22:01.240 take all your prices together and average it ranges between a thousand all the way up to 25k depending

04:22:07.880 on where you are on the spectrum and exactly what you're looking for

04:22:14.440 so for a thousand bucks they get three dates for a thousand bucks they get um an e-course that has

04:22:21.000 feedback that's the thing it's like what do you want do you want to do it by your do you want to

04:22:26.680 do it on your own or do you do you want to just watch some videos and learn and execute or do you

04:22:31.880 want accountability from my team or do you want to work with me directly and not really have to share

04:22:37.320 the spotlight with other men it just depends like i've worked with celebrities who are who don't want

04:22:42.360 to be known they don't want to be around other men so you do have a group though like there's yeah i

04:22:46.600 have a my mastermind is the most popular option so how much is that the mastermind um right now is 12k

04:22:58.040 and does that include dates or no yeah okay and it's like a group group setting

04:23:05.320 and it's also like it depends on when you buy so there's different price ranges depending on if you

04:23:09.880 buy on the call or if you buy after you have a call with someone from my team yeah it's not one

04:23:15.800 it's not one and i know y'all are looking for a one and done answer but it's not one yeah there's

04:23:19.320 different it just it depends on how many like nuts and bolts you want like how many features do you

04:23:25.720 want it just depends like i've arranged wait they have to pay the nut sorry i'm sorry i've i've arranged

04:23:32.760 um i actually don't even know if that's how you say it english is my third language so sometimes i

04:23:37.160 mess up things um but it also depends like i've done in-person events for one man where i will

04:23:44.360 like curate an event all around him where he shows up there's all these like women and he's like the

04:23:51.560 highlight of the night so it literally depends on what a man wants what he can afford what his time

04:23:57.960 how much time he has to commit to the process i'm not trying to dodge the question because i don't

04:24:02.840 want to answer it it's more just like there's yeah there's just not one size fits all no no i

04:24:07.160 understand uh it's like are you buying go for it mrs watson if you don't mind the reason i'm asking is

04:24:12.600 because i'd like to know what is a 20 what does a 25 000 package look like that's a private coaching

04:24:19.400 packet package so it's where you're not working with other men it's just me directly just you and

04:24:25.240 i directly for three months um so you have uh your psychology degree yes marketing and psychology

04:24:30.600 yeah cool so um whenever you these men come to you do you have almost like a therapy session with

04:24:36.360 them where you go in and give them kind of like a diagnosis on maybe some of the like relationship

04:24:41.640 issues that they have is that part of it or is that like one of the things that you include yeah so

04:24:47.320 mindset basically i don't know yeah well i'm not a therapist and i don't i definitely don't

04:24:52.120 pretend to be one um if someone is in a very very low mental place where i feel like they could be a

04:24:58.760 harm to themselves i definitely will redirect them um for me it's more just like look i am 37 i'm

04:25:05.480 successful all my guy friends are married i think i'm handsome i think i'm cool and yet when i start

04:25:14.840 talking to a girl everything goes great for like six weeks and then i get that i'm not feeling a text

04:25:19.400 and i have no clue what i'm doing wrong and unlike my career where when i have a problem i can find a

04:25:25.400 solution and like and take care of it with women i have no clue what i'm doing wrong i keep hitting my

04:25:30.840 head against the same wall and i don't want to have kids when i'm 60 like i want to start setting myself

04:25:36.360 up for being able to like have a family meet someone that i want to be with and i also like i want to

04:25:42.440 settle but i don't i want to settle down but i don't want to settle so can you help me figure out

04:25:47.960 what the hell i'm doing wrong yeah so you don't use your psychology degree you basically use to

04:25:53.560 give them their constructive feedback you use these are not i don't want to say use but you

04:25:58.840 take the data from these women they've gone on dates with and then provide that not from

04:26:04.200 that's part of it standpoint yeah that's part of it but that that's just for them to know

04:26:09.720 where they are because the best way to know how to attract the type of person that you want is to

04:26:14.600 figure out what that type of person would think about you in the mating market so like let's say

04:26:19.400 that a woman wants to date someone who is tall and rich and handsome she has to know what that man

04:26:25.720 is optimizing for in order to know if she has a realistic shot with him and it's the same for men

04:26:31.000 if he is detective mike hunt donated 69 dollars bachelor's degree in drifting from university of

04:26:38.200 eastern antarctica oh okay uh yeah

04:26:47.560 so i mean the whole like wait but some of the women ultimately end up dating like the women you procure

04:26:54.200 yeah because they're they're single and they are attracted to the guy that i pair them with

04:26:59.560 and if they both want to stay in touch then they do yeah i mean on one hand it's like

04:27:07.640 it's not a terrible idea if the guy's an absolute has no social acumen at all and he needs like a

04:27:13.320 little bit of experience by like paying for it to go on a date i guess he can like maybe work out

04:27:21.160 some of the little kinks and nerves whatever but i feel like the dynamic i mean like these women are

04:27:30.600 paid to be there so like it's not going to be really authentic date i know that's not the only

04:27:37.960 component of what you're selling but it doesn't occur to me that it's going to be like they're getting

04:27:45.320 paid right well that's not the primary that's not the primary incentive though i'm not a matchmaker

04:27:50.760 no but but even matchmaking like it even if the woman's not paid to be there it doesn't always work

04:27:57.800 out it's either she's attracted to him or she's not so the the pain her being paid is irrelevant

04:28:05.000 that she's just she's getting paid for her time she's getting paid to block 30 minutes off her schedule

04:28:10.680 and talk to a man that she's never met before and has no clue anything about him and she's she's

04:28:15.880 being paid to show up to the date dressed beautifully and have these uh have these ended in marriage

04:28:22.840 for your clients oh yeah yeah oh yeah yeah if that's what they want i also worked with i also work with

04:28:29.240 divorced men who literally just got out of a relationship and the last thing on their mind

04:28:34.280 is marriage like they just want to some of them maybe they marry their high school sweetheart

04:28:40.120 they stay together for 15 years now they're newly divorced they just want to go out and

04:28:44.440 they just want to have fun yeah they want to have fun they want to date multiple hot women and have

04:28:48.520 fun and there's nothing wrong with that they if they never got to have that phase um then they get

04:28:53.400 to fun they get to have that so not everyone's angles marriage i mean didn't sound like how many

04:29:01.480 how many marriages do you think you've uh you've you've been able to accommodate in your career

04:29:05.800 of the men who wanted to get married many but like i said it's not always the end goal like i have a

04:29:11.800 very big percentage of my clientele that are actually divorcees and they that's not where they're

04:29:19.400 headed they just want to have fun and there are also men who want to eventually get married but with

04:29:24.600 my help they just want to have the experience of dating multiple attractive women and not getting

04:29:29.400 shut down so you say like more than 20 of your clients who wanted to get married have been married

04:29:34.200 if they wanted to get married yes it doesn't always happen under my watch sometimes they learn

04:29:40.040 the skills and then three months later after the program ends they meet someone or they meet someone

04:29:46.840 while they're in my program and then they get married like months down the road so it doesn't

04:29:50.040 always happen like when we're working together but in terms of someone walks in and says hey this

04:29:54.680 is my three-month goal we we get them their goals we have a very high success rate we have a very

04:30:00.920 high retention rate as well meaning we hold on to people for a long time people want to continue

04:30:05.160 working with us because they come in they have a goal they hit it and then they want to continue

04:30:10.120 how long have you been doing this seven and a half years seven and a half years okay

04:30:20.600 interesting fan i am donated 69 andrew and sammy forget anger what about love would you prefer a

04:30:29.480 man tell you he loves you with no facial expression or would you prefer he show you he loves you with

04:30:35.640 a hug my contact etc she said that earlier yeah yeah we talked about that would you prefer men to

04:30:43.080 tell you he loves you with no facial expression wait did we do we go around the table on this did you

04:30:49.080 guys want to we all yeah we talked about it oh this is for sammy okay oh this is that was when we're

04:30:56.280 talking about anger and showing emotion do you want to answer the question though which do you

04:31:02.200 prefer yeah i did i would prefer like actual visual or physical affection got it well for some reason

04:31:10.360 it's not coming up but stifler stifler i don't see it in the stream labs he says ask everyone to rate

04:31:16.680 their looks on a scale of one to ten but it's not popping i don't know what's going on uh ask everyone

04:31:22.040 rate their looks on a scale of one to ten you can't say seven go ahead you already know every

04:31:27.960 time is a ten all right sammy what about you you say you can't say seven yeah i would say six okay

04:31:38.280 nine didn't you say ten previously why did you downgrade i gained some weight no

04:31:45.000 dyed my hair a different color i gained some weight got a couple more experiences on my mouth

04:31:52.040 okay i left enough you didn't have to play that a range between 7.5 and like 7.9 depending on the day

04:32:04.600 okay um i would say 8.5 all right i would say ten okay i'd say like five or six eight five andrew what

04:32:18.600 about you four so we got two tens at the table here let's dig into this a little bit and a nine

04:32:25.720 over here let's dig into this a little bit so i'll just just go right out the gate here and say uh

04:32:33.480 there's no tens at the table not a 10 not a 10 not a nine i'm sorry very sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry

04:32:42.120 sure because you are the judge of all yes yes i'm the arbiter i'm the arbiter and the judge

04:32:48.600 yeah executioner of female beauty that's right that is right yeah

04:32:56.760 i mean what do you gotta say i can't be mad that a two is rating me not

04:33:01.080 well see now now i don't understand that logic and like wouldn't wouldn't a person who was ugly

04:33:10.200 know ugly when they saw it i guess

04:33:15.720 just saying what'd you rate yourself against a reason yeah why do you think of yourself as a five

04:33:21.960 what's negative about you well much like my friend here i've gained some weight i noticed

04:33:28.280 yeah yeah i know this too actually i think you put on a little more than me though you know what i

04:33:35.240 mean yeah i don't know about that one probably did let's let's hop on the scale uh but anyways uh

04:33:43.560 let's see i mean look i'm uh you know i got uh gain i definitely gained some weight i've gained some

04:33:48.360 weight gotta lose some weight i got a dad bod right now uh i got some i got some okay things going for

04:33:53.800 me you know i'm still luckily have a you know maybe you know got full head of hair still a little

04:33:59.560 bit maybe it won't last long uh blue eyes tall six foot one but uh otherwise yeah face not unremarkable

04:34:07.800 trust fund uh trust fund what does that have to do with oh yeah okay finance yeah that wouldn't

04:34:14.840 enhance uh physical it wouldn't enhance physical appearance uh yeah i think i'm yeah pretty average i guess

04:34:21.880 uh yeah so i got i got a quick question uh raise your hands if you said ten

04:34:32.920 what i know one of the one person said ten come on it was her and her and then she said nine

04:34:41.160 okay and then she said nine okay so then to the gal in the yellow dress are you the prettiest girl in

04:34:47.400 the room no then who is i think we're all pretty in our own ways and i think yeah yeah that wasn't

04:34:55.080 the question i asked if you're not the prettiest girl in the room i don't have who you who do you

04:34:59.160 think the prettiest girl in the room is i i don't have an answer for that i don't well but it's not

04:35:05.000 you i don't think she's more beautiful than her i don't think she's more beautiful than her i think

04:35:08.280 they all look different and they all look amazing in their own ways

04:35:10.440 so just to just to be uh clear let's assume that inside of that room there was a girl who had half

04:35:19.000 of her face burned off in a horrific accident her teeth were showing on the side of her mouth and

04:35:24.600 her tongue was hanging out of it okay would you would you still say she was a 10 yeah yeah exactly so

04:35:31.320 then you're really not actually rating this is a bullet donated 69 dollars have them rate themselves

04:35:38.040 then the girl to the right then ask woman in black if any of them were lying

04:35:45.800 the thing is is you're not actually engaging with the spirit of the question because you're

04:35:50.200 essentially saying that the hunchback of notre dame is a 10 it basically everybody's a 10 right

04:35:55.880 everybody on planet earth's a 10 right yeah so then so then there's just no ugly people yeah no i

04:36:02.920 think i don't think there's ugly people in the world not a single one no everyone's pretty like

04:36:09.720 a wicked witch with a with a big schnoz with a wart on it you know and she's missing all of her

04:36:14.680 teeth and she's just ugly you you know what i mean she's a 10 in your world well i'm you're talking

04:36:21.720 about well that's that's totally your made-up character yeah all right well wait wait who cares

04:36:27.560 it's not a made-up character there's definitely old crone looking witches who are hideous who exist

04:36:34.760 in this world but you're saying they're a 10 right this is someone there's no not to someone that

04:36:41.560 doesn't even follow that they'd be a 10 to somebody that's just like made up so i can

04:36:47.240 no i think everyone here is a 10 i think everybody that is human was created beautifully in their own

04:36:52.360 ways and i think that's it there's definitely there's no such thing as a nine there's no such

04:36:58.360 thing as an eight there's no such thing as a seven everybody on planet earth's a 10 yeah i think

04:37:03.240 everybody is beautiful men so so with the spirit of the question of you the prism of you okay have you

04:37:12.120 ever judged anybody less good looking than long paladins donated 69 dollars doesn't even matter that

04:37:19.320 there aren't any nines or tens at this table mentally and relationship material you're all

04:37:24.840 number one out of ten in my book word okay i think it's kind of back to this can i add can i add to

04:37:32.600 what you're saying um andrea yeah no no hang on let me may i add andrew here hang on hang on let me

04:37:39.080 finish the inquiry i'll wait for you yeah yeah let me finish the inquiry so what i'm wondering is then

04:37:44.200 um if you think everybody on planet earth's a 10 you have never judged anybody as being not good

04:37:50.760 looking ever well no it's not that they're not good looking maybe i'm just not attracted to them

04:37:57.640 it's probably not my preference if that's i don't know i think it's very shallow very shallow question

04:38:03.480 so you've never judged anybody on planet earth as being not good looking i just want to make sure i got

04:38:08.440 that clear no i don't think so no okay so have you ever told a lie i'm sure i have yeah are you

04:38:16.280 telling one right now no absolutely no are you sure yes you're sure you're definitely definitely

04:38:22.600 never judged anybody on the planet you've ever met as being not good looking not even once it's never

04:38:28.840 crossed your mind you've never been like oh man you're ugly you've never thought that before never

04:38:35.080 no no i don't think no no never not not even not even once ever no i think it's a very shallow

04:38:45.320 thing to say i think it's a very hurtful thing to say i didn't say say it i said think it oh no

04:38:52.680 still never thought it you've just never everybody's a beautiful person oh my god he is so ugly i just

04:39:00.040 no i don't think that really i know i was gonna say i feel like i've definitely seen some pretty ugly

04:39:05.000 people in the world so let me ask you a question if every man from your standard is a 10 then why

04:39:12.680 would you have preferences at all i don't have a preference you got to speak into the mic i can't

04:39:18.920 oh sorry i don't have a preference you have zero preferences for dating so you would then how come

04:39:25.160 15 seconds ago right i just asked you this question and you said i've turned men down before but it's

04:39:31.320 because they don't meet my preferences wait sorry just a second ago in this very conversation

04:39:38.120 you said i've turned men down before because they don't meet my preferences

04:39:43.640 well you've literally just said that yes but not in terms of like how they look

04:39:49.640 maybe in terms of personality or things how would you know their personality you you turn them down

04:39:55.000 and like what's the fastest you've ever turned a guy down what's the fastest

04:40:00.760 um i don't know i guess it depends i would say i don't normally two seconds yeah like two seconds

04:40:06.920 right away yeah like two seconds so you don't know anything about his personality you don't know

04:40:11.320 anything wait you know nothing about his personality in two seconds so why are you turning him down you

04:40:16.520 can know something about somebody's personality in two seconds on depends on their approach

04:40:20.360 what could you know about a personality if somebody comes over and goes hey can i have your phone

04:40:25.240 number boy what does that tell you about their personality i would say that he's pretty quick and

04:40:31.720 i'm not even a hello first just give me your phone number i don't like that so so you turn men down

04:40:41.320 not because they don't meet a physical attractiveness level but because in the two seconds it took you

04:40:47.640 to talk to them you were able to gauge and judge their entirety of their personality don't even

04:40:53.080 engage this drone she's such a bad liar stop the cap you fipper yeah this is probably the most over

04:41:00.600 the top amount of lies i've ever heard out of a woman on this show it this consecutively you've never

04:41:06.040 turned a guy down because he was bad looking every man on planet earth is a 10 you have no physical

04:41:11.480 preferences whatsoever and the only reason you've ever shot a guy down is because you can tell everything

04:41:16.040 that you need to know about their personality in two seconds do i have that about right i guess so

04:41:21.400 okay yeah this is uh beyond beyond the beyond but anyway i'll turn it over to the gal in black go ahead

04:41:29.880 conventional attraction is definitely a thing like there is there is a biological way and even babies

04:41:37.720 can tell when someone has a symmetrical attractive face and don't i think what you're saying is beautiful

04:41:45.080 in theory but i think in practice most people don't operate that way and i also think that the

04:41:50.760 question like we we can rate ourselves but really the people who can answer whether someone is a nine

04:41:57.080 or a ten are the people that you're trying to attract because dating is a market it's like it's the mating

04:42:02.680 market so you don't really get to decide as a woman or a man if you're a nine or a ten the market decides

04:42:08.440 for you what your rating actually is yeah i think there's some truth to that but i also think that you

04:42:14.920 are correct that there are some sorts of objective standards and that there must be because um i do

04:42:21.480 think that most of us would agree that a you know a woman who had half her face melted off her teeth

04:42:27.160 are showing on this side her tongue hangs out probably is not going to be a beautiful woman you're

04:42:32.040 probably not going to say that they're beautiful and probably nobody on planet earth is going to say

04:42:36.200 that right we would agree there must so there must be some standard there that we're looking at that

04:42:41.320 we all are kind of repulsed by so there's so i would agree with this in a sense but you know my kind of

04:42:47.720 my greater question is to the other gal who said she's a ten that would be you know you know who i'm

04:42:52.840 talking you know okay so wait wait wait i have a question for you you got to talk right in the mic or

04:42:57.960 i can't get anything i have a question for you um yeah as soon as you answer mine and then i'll

04:43:03.480 answer yes i promise right is that a deal good sure sure you got it all right great so you're are

04:43:09.560 you the prettiest girl in that room i think i mean i find some of these women very pretty

04:43:19.080 yeah i know you know what my question can you repeat my question hang on can you repeat my question

04:43:24.200 to me am i the prettiest girl in the room yeah now answer that i feel like that would be very

04:43:29.400 self-conceited to say i am the prettiest girl in the room yeah i agree but you're the only one who

04:43:35.400 rated yourself besides the other one is a 10 and that's their choice to rate them i get it i get it

04:43:40.520 so are you the prettiest girl in the room do you think or is it could you point to a girl you think

04:43:45.240 is pretty maybe according to 30 of 100 people watching or according to other people but according to

04:43:53.960 according to you according to you are you the prettiest girl in the room well i'm not looking

04:43:59.720 for my i'm not trying to find myself attractive i'm not like oh my god i'm the most what okay answer

04:44:07.080 tell me again what's my question to you am i the prettiest girl in the room now and now hang on

04:44:12.280 now that we know for sure that you know what my question is answer that question don't make a new

04:44:19.400 one up answer i'm not trying to make a new one up i don't think i'm the prettiest girl in the room

04:44:24.360 because but i do think i'm a 10. then point at the one you think is but that the the question was

04:44:34.280 point at the one you think is over there

04:44:37.160 there's a girl over there

04:44:43.160 it's it's brian brian is the prettiest girl in the room female the female in the room who you think is

04:44:49.960 the prettiest um i'm not going to do that because i don't want to make other women feel certain kind

04:44:57.480 of way so i'm going to keep you make them feel pretty you're not going to make them feel like

04:45:01.960 they're the prettiest girl in the room that's really weird can you point to the prettiest girl in the room

04:45:05.880 no because i'm not trying to make anyone else feel like they're not pretty because they're

04:45:11.560 going to be beautiful to someone else you know what that's fair so can we assume then that you

04:45:16.840 do think that there are girls in that room who are prettier than other girls in that room i think that

04:45:22.760 there are a lot of pretty women in this room and i have my preference some of them are prettier than

04:45:28.200 others according to my preferences yes according to your preferences according to my tastes yes

04:45:35.560 yes because i i like what i like in women just like you like what you like in women so do you

04:45:40.760 rate your wife a 10 so so then wait do you i answered your question it's my turn to ask you

04:45:46.520 yours yeah no my wife's a six yeah my wife's a six and have you said that to her face she says it about

04:45:52.680 herself that sucks you know why because she's not fucking delusional so because she's not delusional

04:46:00.520 she lives in reality where the rest of us live she was able to ascertain that she's not the most

04:46:05.960 beautiful fucking woman on the planet and that she's not a 10 because there's other she should be

04:46:10.600 the most beautiful to you hang on there's there's other women who are objectively better looking than

04:46:15.800 she is because she's not a delusional fucking lunatic she was able to go wait a second i can look around

04:46:21.240 the world and i can clearly see that there's other women who are more attractive than me isn't that

04:46:26.680 interesting but right she should be a 10 in your book that my wife lives and you should view your

04:46:32.280 woman as a 10 that is the thing and she should not settle for you calling her a six because she

04:46:38.040 who are you to tell me should she settle for a porn star gets dicked down by dudes like what what

04:46:42.680 should she settle for oh you have to go for that dig i'm retired thank you very much oh yeah you

04:46:48.520 retired what last week when did you retire okay you you went for the cheap shot

04:46:54.200 no you went for the cheap shot no i had to ask it's like i would i wouldn't have made it personal

04:47:00.520 you know why but why why is your wife a six why does why do you agree that she's a six why would you

04:47:06.280 not try to build her up to an eight or a because i live in objective reality and inside of rejective

04:47:12.840 reality i can tell that women who weigh 400 fucking pounds right aren't as beautiful as women who don't

04:47:20.440 weigh 400 pounds and almost everybody agrees with my assessment including my wife

04:47:27.160 and by the way you and the girl next to you and the girl next to her and the girl next to her and

04:47:33.560 the girl next to all of you agree with me then anything short of that is just you being lying copers

04:47:39.480 right you're just lying and coping that's what you're doing isn't it

04:47:42.600 no or do you think that 400 the chicks from my 600 pound life do you think that they're as pretty

04:47:50.840 as a girl next to you just curious just want to make sure i get this right i think it's about what

04:47:55.160 you find attractive so some men like some men like that do most men like it you'd be surprised

04:48:03.240 you'd be very surprised you would go on reddit and have a field day you will your your jaw will drop

04:48:10.520 and your mind yeah at this teeny tiny minority of men who all get together over a fetish yeah i don't

04:48:15.160 care about that objectively obviously most men are not pining after 600 pound women that's absurd

04:48:22.120 and you know it's absurd it's like what's so why not just say look andrew it is okay fine andrew

04:48:27.240 most men don't want 600 pound chicks they don't if you want to call your wife a six call her six

04:48:33.080 six what well what about her calling herself a six is she delusional that's her choice yeah so is

04:48:41.000 she delusional no no okay so then she believes that should i be counter should i be countermanding

04:48:47.320 what my wife says about herself you should try to build her up is what you should try how am i how

04:48:51.800 am i tearing her down do you think it's tearing a person down to let allow them to live an objective

04:48:58.200 reality with the rest of us do you think that that's beating them up am i tearing her down by

04:49:03.160 understanding that uh you know i'm a four and if she agrees with that that's totally fine that means

04:49:08.120 i hit up i struck out of my league i got a chick who's way hotter than i assess myself as

04:49:14.680 right what's wrong with that if you're happy with that then i'm happy for you yeah yeah i mean i think

04:49:20.680 that the world is pretty happy with people living inside of the reality of the world right where

04:49:27.240 the chick who has scolding burns on the side of her face and her face melted off

04:49:31.720 and her tongue probably is 69 dollars stop the prattle woman you giving andrew advice is the

04:49:38.440 funniest thing i've seen on this show in months also rachel is a solid seven she gets plus one

04:49:44.760 point for not being this artarded yeah rachel i think you're seven rachel you're definitely seven she's

04:49:51.160 so pretty she's so pretty she's a seven uh-huh and how many of you think you're prettier than she

04:50:01.560 is the truth like if i asked you the truth i think your wife is beautiful like let me let me just ask

04:50:06.760 this smile look at how much she's glowing hang on let me ask a different question let me ask you a

04:50:11.000 different question okay okay if any of you right now actually did think in your brain that you were

04:50:18.120 prettier than my wife would you lie to me no i wouldn't lie to you you wouldn't no i think

04:50:26.440 your wife is prettier than my wife no i think your wife is beautiful yeah i think she's prettier she's

04:50:31.640 got so much more what's the question what's the question because your wife is not a six that's the

04:50:36.600 thing what's the question tell me i already asked your question i already asked you my question i said what

04:50:42.600 no no i asked what do you think your wife i asked you the question you asked me you asked me if i

04:50:49.160 think i am more beautiful than your wife and i said no your wife is beautiful she and she has that

04:50:54.440 mean she's prettier than you i think she's beautiful yes she's prettier i think that she has so much

04:50:59.480 prettier than you yes she is okay great is she prettier than the girl next to you i'm that's not for

04:51:05.880 me to say right so you would lie right but you know how can you rate her my wife is being prettier

04:51:12.040 compared to me that is how i am prettier than the wife i am i am saying compared to me she is prettier

04:51:19.880 i am doing that comparison and i have the ability and i feel like i have i can consciously say that

04:51:26.680 but i'm not going to speak against her but what it tells me is that that means that you can look at

04:51:32.760 other women and assess by your standard if you think they're pretty or not which means to me that

04:51:37.960 you can do that with the girl next to you and you can compare that girl to my wife too using that same

04:51:42.680 standard and then what do we come up with the truth now what's the truth i think it's about what you

04:51:49.000 like let's see a big picture ever so that we can actually make they're just you're so full of cope

04:51:55.560 and lying just look i know that's the new internet word is cope but can you get a new one it's good

04:52:03.240 well what else can i say like if if you say well i can judge that she's prettier than me but i can't

04:52:07.800 judge that she's prettier than her what would i say to that other than you're full of shit that makes

04:52:12.280 no sense i'd prefer that i'd be like you're full of shit instead of saying totally generational

04:52:17.960 whatever be like you're full of shit i'll be like all right then quite you are you know you are

04:52:22.920 right like and that's why it's cope the reason is because you know i don't know let's not use

04:52:28.920 gen z whatever lingo it's full of shit you know wait that wouldn't wouldn't the lingo for full of

04:52:38.680 shit be millennial and then no i feel like cope wouldn't cope be more like the uh the the new

04:52:46.520 generation lingo i would say cope would be new generation um yeah i would say like full of

04:52:52.280 shit i would i would say hang on lol paladin's donated 69 dollars asking a woman if she would

04:52:59.480 lie is like asking a used car salesman if he would lie to you while he gives you a 22 percent interest

04:53:05.560 rate loan you think you're being kind but your dishonesty isn't kind let's see a picture of her

04:53:11.960 so that we can be honest like a big picture there was a little picture where the one that pops up

04:53:17.960 earlier it was hard to see i just think it like the question is subjective legate underscore lanius

04:53:24.360 underscore junior donated 69 dollars ladies the easy answer here is this yes andrew you are right here

04:53:32.840 i just don't want to hurt their feelings the fact that you don't see this is because you have too

04:53:38.040 much pride to admit he's right yeah i mean listen i'm gonna actually agree with the chatter here i have

04:53:44.120 to i said i don't want to i know i know from talking basically everyone like if i was having a private

04:53:49.640 conversation with you and i was like oh god that chick is ugly you'd be like yeah she's gross but but when

04:53:56.840 asked here right in person and you have to actually say that shit out loud you're like no hell no i'm

04:54:03.480 not doing that even though you do think it and we all know you think it and that's why we all we know

04:54:09.160 you're all full of shit right that's why we know and i i understand what you're gonna say right and i

04:54:14.200 just want to make sure i got this right you're gonna say it's all subjective no i'm just saying i

04:54:18.760 wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings because that's not part of who i am and i'm not gonna sit here

04:54:23.480 and be like she's my type she's my type she's my type she's my type she's my type she's not my type

04:54:28.360 she's my type she's my type i'm not gonna go with it why would it hurt their feelings i'll do it i'll

04:54:33.000 do if if we're just looking for someone to be honest so that the argument isn't you're all full

04:54:37.160 of shit i'll do it i think morgan and maddie are the prettiest table ivan jr donated 69 dollars

04:54:45.640 if this logic was true marriage would be more successful birth rates would be on the rise it should

04:54:52.120 be very easy for me to take any of you out and get married we're all tens so a proposal is easy

04:55:02.440 okay

04:55:10.120 was that a question yeah we're still waiting for you to give your ratings him oh i said i morgan and maddie

04:55:16.920 yeah but give the ratings around the room for the girls oh you want me to give ratings

04:55:20.600 for one around the room yeah okay well i'm not a dude but if i were selecting for my clients um

04:55:28.600 probably a six

04:55:32.200 a 7.5 as well you can't use seven can't use seven not at all not even percentages not not a seven can't

04:55:39.560 use a seven you can use one through ten except seven but why we could use seven because then we

04:55:46.040 know which way you actually lean well i think she has an amazing body and i do think she has a

04:55:50.840 beautiful face beautiful eyes i get it but then leaning towards eight yes okay yes so then eight

04:55:59.720 six eight six six eight

04:56:05.160 so why do you think it is or let me ask a different question when they say that they

04:56:13.320 think that they're tens do you think they're being honest no i think they could be tens some of them

04:56:19.160 but i don't think they're being i think that it is a beautiful like theory to live in but again

04:56:27.800 theory isn't practice so they they might think that there's tens but the proof if i had to if we had

04:56:36.760 to sit down and look at the evidence it's probably not showing that they are yeah so why do you think

04:56:42.280 they rate themselves that way i don't know i don't want to speak for them i mean yeah but why do you

04:56:47.080 think what i mean not just them specifically but why do you think women rate themselves as 10 when

04:56:51.400 they're obviously not to feel better about to feel better about themselves for sure yeah so would

04:56:57.880 you call that code reality donated are you a tenant basketball are you a tenant cooking are you a tenant

04:57:08.120 doing your makeup where do we draw the line in insisting that everyone must be a tenant everything

04:57:15.080 yeah i think it's to piggyback on what maddie said i i think it's because they want to feel better

04:57:21.000 but i think that they could be tens if they did certain things but a lot of people and i'm not

04:57:27.240 necessarily speaking about them but a lot of people want to believe that they're better than they are

04:57:31.320 because the work it would take to close the gap between what where they actually are and where they

04:57:36.680 want to be is a lot for a lot of people pretend to be vivo but also if you say if you say something

04:57:44.520 your brain will do more things to try and prove that you are that so say i want to be a 10 and i'm

04:57:51.800 like i'm a 10 i'm a 10 so i'm gonna do things in my power to try and make myself better what rather

04:57:58.600 than me saying oh i'm a four so i'm always just gonna be stuck here why would i want to go backwards

04:58:05.400 when i could work to be better well you're not but you're not stuck as being a of four like if you

04:58:12.600 if you can say like i want to be a 10 like for example if i were doing this if i were doing this

04:58:17.640 for myself i would sit down and be like all right what where's the gap like maybe i need to work on

04:58:22.680 my body like maybe i need to work out more maybe i need to like clear my skin maybe i need to like

04:58:28.200 make my hair healthier like i would find the things that would make me a 10 i would still feel confident

04:58:33.080 as a six but i would also know here's the here's the gap it's kind of like if i want to be a

04:58:41.160 millionaire and i'm not i can tell myself i'm a millionaire but if i if i don't take certain

04:58:46.600 actions toward becoming a millionaire it's not going to happen i mean i can tell people that i can think

04:58:51.560 it and i get what you're saying like brainwash yourself to believing that you are that but you

04:58:57.080 have to match it up with action i gotta come in here a little bit all right there's like a

04:59:02.520 limitation to what you can achieve with your looks like you said well work on my fitness work on my

04:59:08.440 skin like people are going to be hard capped like your maximum potential you could be like right now

04:59:16.520 you're a five not i'm not speaking to you just like a woman could be a five perhaps her maximum

04:59:22.200 potential is a seven like no matter she i mean it depends that she get plastic surgery because

04:59:27.640 there's also plastic surgery well you don't want to hear my take on plastic surgery that

04:59:31.160 shit makes women less attractive like that fake titties you're that's minus two if you can detect

04:59:36.360 it what do you mean but if you if you can't detect like what's your favorite like if you did have a

04:59:41.000 celebrity crush who would you choose what woman just like ideal kind of like kylie jenner no no but

04:59:47.320 no i'm saying like kind of like you were saying earlier ryan reynolds right he's like the epitome of

04:59:51.240 like handsome family man whatever yeah what's your equivalent what's your desert joe donated 69

04:59:59.640 saying you're a 10 is telling yourself you are perfect which would imply there is nothing to

05:00:04.680 improve this is just being delusional rating yourself honestly will drive you to want to improve

05:00:11.400 so yo uh desert joe thank you for that man so i mean to answer your question

05:00:16.680 all right we were talking about plastic surgery and like the detectability of the fake titties

05:00:22.200 first off i have an excellent fake titty radar just just letting you know really i know

05:00:29.080 five seconds i'm i've i've already you could be wearing a turtleneck and i know if you got fake titties

05:00:34.680 okay just saying so um because you're saying like yeah she's a seven but then she gets fake

05:00:41.960 titties now she's a nine no no not fake titties like what no there's so many other surgeries other

05:00:47.160 than oh yeah you i'm saying like what's a prototype of a woman that you consider attractive a famous one

05:00:52.520 that way we all know who we're talking about uh i'll give you something lol paladin's donated 69

05:01:02.280 if i lost 50 pounds i'd be eight because i've been there in the past but i'm not there now the

05:01:09.240 question is important because we are trying to see if you are delulu we aren't asking your potential

05:01:16.600 and that's where i think the last tts was important because it's like and this is i think of it in the

05:01:23.240 fitness aspect of things it's like if you say you're a 10 you feel as though that you are

05:01:28.840 at your max potential but if you say you're a six you understand that there's area for improvement

05:01:37.640 so you're being honest with yourself that there's an area for you to improve upon which then motivates

05:01:43.400 you to improve upon it so like when i was an amateur competitor i didn't walk around saying i'm a pro

05:01:49.720 i walked around saying i want to be a pro so then i sat and reflected on what is it going to take

05:01:55.400 for me to turn pro and then i started implementing the things and then became a pro that's a little

05:02:01.400 bit more attainable that's weird right because wouldn't see i don't even understand that so even

05:02:08.360 inside of that world the world of um of weight lifting and and this type of competition you can

05:02:15.320 still max out your potential for what you can do with your

05:02:22.520 body i just finished this

05:02:28.120 okay are we back yeah okay what i was asking is couldn't you max out your potential and still be

05:02:33.640 ugly as sin but you're so that's in the bodybuilding world you're still judged on your physique not

05:02:41.480 the way your face looks yeah but that's not really alluding to the question right no i don't know if

05:02:46.680 yes i'm also agreeing with you so i don't understand i don't think you actually heard what i said my

05:02:52.040 point was is that there's always room for improvement so if you understand and you meet yourself where

05:02:57.960 you're currently at you understand that there's area for improvement so if you understand that you're

05:03:03.800 only a four or you're a five there's things that you need to improve on so like for me at as an

05:03:11.880 amateur you're making the comparison for how you perceive that through physique i understand what

05:03:16.840 you're saying now all right but so so now that we've we've we've got that settled do you think

05:03:23.320 that there are at least some types of objective standards that people hold kind of across the board

05:03:28.680 not every human being right obviously there's weirdos out there but generally that people hold

05:03:35.080 that can be agreed on when it comes to beauty standards 100 yeah so then if you were to go

05:03:43.000 back around the room and you were to rate how would you rate them i would say

05:03:49.160 eight six six eight six six eight since seven is not a thing so why so why do you think um why do

05:04:07.800 you think that women are rating themselves a 10 i agree to feel better about themselves to boost their

05:04:13.400 confidence boost the way that they view themselves because they want to feel better about themselves so

05:04:18.200 they're going to say they're a 10 so they feel like a 10 isn't that kind of delusional um i guess

05:04:26.200 it's perception yeah and why should anyone else's opinion matter if i'm a 10 i can also be striving for

05:04:33.480 improvement but if you're not a 10 yeah i can be a 10 and still working on things how can you be

05:04:40.360 perfect but then need more more perfect you can get even more perfect you can you can achieve

05:04:46.840 you can achieve you can achieve super saiyan 10 how can you be perfect and then be more perfect

05:04:52.840 than perfect perfect we can we can the scale can grow how about that but i'm just saying you can be

05:04:59.320 10 and you can still work on yourself and you can still grow from there and why should anyone else's

05:05:06.760 opinion matter you're gonna be okay so let's assume that 10 is the highest number in the world there's

05:05:12.840 no number mathematically which is higher than the number 10 how can you then be a 10.5 or a 10.2

05:05:21.320 that's your reality and my reality is different than yours no one no one ever did bma woman crush

05:05:26.280 when they would you like me to rate you right so so i mean so wait so if we're living in different

05:05:33.240 realities right either neither of the realities are true or only one of them is right

05:05:41.880 i'm living in my reality right now living in the reality you're living in yours you're in a small

05:05:46.680 square box in my reality in your reality i'm on your on your computer screen that is in a small square

05:05:52.600 box yeah thank you so we're both in the same reality right except one of us is able to still

05:05:58.360 do ratings in this reality that are realistic and the other one isn't which is really weird

05:06:04.120 but it's like one of us lives in a real reality and the other one lives in a delusional place

05:06:09.640 ivan jr donated 69 dollars from a man let's cut the bs starting from the right six comma five comma

05:06:18.840 five comma four comma four comma six comma five comma five comma seven maddie is the most beautiful

05:06:25.880 if you're a 10 you should be getting paid from advertising companies or married being so high

05:06:30.760 value i do wait starting from the right yeah i think a lot of women at this table get paid and might

05:06:37.560 be married so i actually fill both of those boxes wait so hold on me and her we're having a bit of

05:06:43.320 an exchange why don't we continue there so you're asking me to name like a woman who i think is

05:06:48.920 attractive like your your prototype of the idea here's the thing it's hard for me to think of like

05:06:53.400 an actual celebrity or famous person that i could just throw out there that i think is a 10 but i

05:06:57.560 can tell you a woman who i think uh is pretty pretty darn attractive uh nick why don't you google kristin

05:07:05.240 kruik young i guess because she'd be in her 40s now but you know she's still she's still like she's

05:07:11.880 still babe status but like more mature babes that like you know like wrinkle babe status but she's like

05:07:17.480 somewhat famous like if i if we searched pictures of her when she was younger could we find any she's

05:07:22.360 probably like c-list oh hold on let me let me google this let me see kristen kruik before and after

05:07:29.960 google that before and after i'm saying young kristen kruik she doesn't have any plastic experience

05:07:34.520 go ahead okay she definitely doesn't have any no plastic as far as i know go ahead is is there

05:07:38.680 before and afters uh let's scroll down yeah she's really good she's beautiful hold on wait so what

05:07:45.080 do you rate her like there's young kristen kruik and then there's i'm an old lady she's still i'd

05:07:52.040 still wait can we can we just can we just for the sake of fun research like right hold on uh click

05:07:59.320 what about the one in the middle there with the red yeah that's really pretty it's a good picture

05:08:03.880 yeah she's not a ten not a ten did you desmond did you call her mid she's what

05:08:11.080 underscore laneus underscore junior denated desmond's calling her mid bro ladies even your

05:08:16.760 grandmothers and great grandmothers would have said they were not tens if you want to honor their

05:08:23.080 legacy and embody true actual confidence just be a proud seven and move on we're not allowed to

05:08:29.400 say seven no my mother's a ten wait but you you don't think she's the one that you just showed us

05:08:35.080 she's not your prototype of the ideal beauty she's very beautiful and attractive i don't know she's

05:08:39.720 maybe not a 10 but she's very attractive woman she's very attractive what's she's like what's

05:08:45.480 no bro you ain't seeing that girl walking around in isla vista no you're in santa barbara you're not

05:08:52.760 bro okay well just i don't know she did she did kind of look a little average to me

05:08:57.480 listen shut the fuck up andrew

05:09:01.560 andrew doesn't like asian women that's the thing that's true i don't yeah uh but uh well what was

05:09:08.440 i she's attractive i i you know what i need to be prepared for this if you had it all your way if

05:09:14.360 you had it all your way perfect personality you get to pick exactly what she looks like what is a

05:09:21.160 celebrity that you'd want her to very closely resemble lol paladins donated 69 no scarlett johansson

05:09:29.560 in her prime red dress red carpet i don't honestly i don't really do care about celebrities so i i

05:09:35.480 can't think of one that i'm like there's there's probably just some like random chick megan fox

05:09:41.080 angelina jolie uh no not just galba just like lake lively just cal is attractive for sure uh

05:09:51.320 scar joe attractive but i can't think of one where i'm like god like damn god damn there's

05:09:57.080 so you ever see no there's not like a celebrity where i'm like holy fuck

05:10:01.640 none no i can't think of anything what are you it's probably some like random chick

05:10:09.320 yeah or instagram ig model to scale up those are hard to find from like a celebrity that i

05:10:14.680 can think of off the top of my head uh you know that chick from vikings who was ragnar's wife in

05:10:20.520 the first season nope no don't know her what's the name i can't think of her name i don't remember but

05:10:26.200 uh what's her name uh jessica jessica biel young okay jessica biel let's like pretty close

05:10:37.560 pretty close so let's jessica biel's pretty close she said jay justin timberlake right yeah or what

05:10:45.880 aren't they married wait what's that nick i guess her name is richard bardo is that her name let's pull

05:10:51.720 up jessica biel can we write before and after plastic surgery young jessica biel yeah yeah the

05:10:57.560 chick who played wagger that's the chick yeah that's totally she looks better in person

05:11:03.080 i think the other girls scroll down scroll down yeah see i mean come on rev

05:11:11.560 but i mean i don't know without makeup who knows who knows what any who knows what the truth is

05:11:17.240 i think the other girl's more attractive than her no i think i do think kristen krewick more

05:11:24.200 attractive than jessica biel for my own personal preference and you think that a woman who's done

05:11:29.400 plastic surgery couldn't look like that wait what do you think that a woman who's done plastic surgery

05:11:34.600 could look like kristen i feel like all plastic surgery looks the same it does it depends on the

05:11:39.640 surgeon by the way i'm only sharing this because i want to educate men because i think that part of the

05:11:44.040 the pedestal is oh she's just naturally a 10 but it's not true like i actually feel bad for not

05:11:52.680 anymore because now there's looks maxing and now men are starting to catch on to ways that they can

05:11:57.080 become more attractive but i think that before that like women had the leverage because they could get

05:12:02.680 away with doing all the surgery and they could look like a 10 but she would necessarily wasn't born

05:12:09.880 that way hey brian try what looks natural isn't always natural katherine winnick try that pull that

05:12:18.040 one up katherine winnick yeah i don't know i feel like i've just seen like like on social media i've

05:12:25.000 seen so many girls that look exactly like kim kardash totally i know exactly what you're talking

05:12:30.440 about it's the ig model look like the the over big lips the too small nose the eyes that go i like

05:12:37.640 brunettes okay i like brunettes get this get these blondes out of here andrew you have a type yeah

05:12:44.840 yes i have a type i was like wait hold on we saw a picture of your wife get these blondes out of my

05:12:52.840 sight andrew okay i'm just kidding um i don't know though that's the vikings girl who you're talking

05:13:00.600 about that was the vikings girl wait so we're we're talking about plastic surgery right and i said

05:13:06.280 something about fake fake titties yeah what's that have to do with like facial attraction well because

05:13:11.320 if you are you against all plastic surgery or just porn star looking boobies i'm against

05:13:18.200 most plastic surgery and i'll tell you what huh what's changed your mind well i feel like you

05:13:25.000 should be against all i mean there's different degree like there's different degrees to the

05:13:29.160 invasiveness of the procedure for example like implants is more invasive than like a rhinoplasty

05:13:35.880 you know so uh like some forehead botox like you're cool with that no i mean i'd prefer look

05:13:45.240 i'm a natural body supremacist why is my chat saying that you wait why is my chat saying that you said you

05:13:51.560 when you pulled up when you pulled up katherine winnick i did i did it's it wasn't she's an attractive

05:13:56.680 woman it's just don't show me i said the blonde hair i can't do the blonde the second girl you said

05:14:03.720 had blonde hair too right jessica biel she's kind of like i don't know what her actual hair color is

05:14:10.360 anyways in any case i'm a natural body supremacist so i okay i'd rather a girl have no no boobs flat

05:14:18.600 totally flat versus some perfect versus perfect fake titties flat i'd prefer that i'd prefer

05:14:26.600 a little belly fat over uh lipo i'd prefer like no no booty over bbl yeah i'd prefer uh what's the

05:14:36.040 other one oh small upper lip over lip filler like so for me i don't think any of those procedures like

05:14:44.120 you can take any woman who's had any of those procedures and i would prefer their state as it

05:14:50.280 was prior to the surgery i like it nuanced is it is it it is nuanced no it's very black and white well i

05:14:59.160 i know but you said you were cool with rhinoplasty which i thought was pretty nuanced well to be i'm

05:15:05.720 saying that rhinoplasty are less invasive than implants invasive invasive you mean like the surgery or

05:15:13.400 invasive like how do you mean by invasive like it's well i mean in terms of so you're saying it's

05:15:19.800 like removing some of the cartilage in the nose right i mean we're talking about millimeter millimeters

05:15:25.960 of difference whereas like fake boobs it's something that's actually implanted in you look i'm not making

05:15:32.680 the case that like it's it's very different too because the difference here is is that with implants

05:15:39.320 that look that looks like fake but like a woman who has uh a rhinoplasty you can't like it could look

05:15:50.200 as if like totally normal does that make sense yeah it sounds like it sounds like what you're saying

05:15:54.840 is you don't like a woman who looks like she's gotten work done you don't like the look of i have

05:16:00.040 work done well i also even let's just let me just say that she she totally passes like i can't maybe the

05:16:08.440 bbl is really good i ain't never seen a good bbl but okay the bbl is good the lipo is good there's

05:16:13.240 always something a little weird in the stomach with the lipo fake titties i mean that's always

05:16:17.800 that's pretty i i'm like 90 uh i'm 99 out of 100 on on guessing you know like i said turtleneck i can

05:16:25.960 still tell if it's fake lol paladins donated 69 dollars when i was in the air force a girl got her chin

05:16:34.440 job paid for by the military she just ended up looking more like a guy it was such a bad choice

05:16:40.840 now the other thing with this is uh thank you paladins um so in addition to i think i was making

05:16:47.000 the point of even if she's passing the other concern there is what's going on in her mind so it's not just

05:16:55.960 like uh for me it's not just about her physical appearance although that's a component and frankly

05:17:01.560 like i said i think typically plastic surgery tends to in my view people have different aesthetics i

05:17:07.880 think it makes them look worse fake titties looks worse even if they had no boobs bbl looks worse

05:17:14.440 lipo belly looks worse than a little belly fat um trying to think what else lip filler prefer the

05:17:21.880 small upper lip over the fake uh the weird duck puffy thing that ends up happening and there's always

05:17:28.200 this little weird line that is just perma there i think after i don't know it's like migration yeah

05:17:34.040 yeah so um but it's also like i think it's a negative mark against them for what's going on in

05:17:41.880 their head too so apart from just the aesthetic thing i'm like okay is she mentally ill does she have body

05:17:49.560 dysphoria it's maybe it's maybe somebody who gets plastic like who who gets plastic surgery it can be

05:17:57.800 proxy for it almost certainly is proxy for insecurity and the greater manifestation of that it's proxy for

05:18:07.720 mental illness potentially for sure but what if it's um and i'm not advocating for or against plastic

05:18:16.840 surgery but what if she acknowledges that she's a six but she really wants to be a nine because she

05:18:23.400 knows that being a nine comes with certain perks that being a six doesn't and she's like well if i

05:18:28.600 can just go get this nose job and maybe a little bit of lip filler i could be seen as closer to a nine

05:18:37.560 yeah the nose jobs are interesting ones because actually elon musk on twitter today nick can you uh

05:18:43.800 maybe try to find it there there was uh these three sisters you can probably google three sisters

05:18:49.720 get nose job same time i saw in my feed on twitter and i do actually think when it comes to the rhinoplasty

05:18:56.760 that that is the one where like it actually can objectively this is the one procedure that i i actually

05:19:06.760 tend to grant actually does tend to objectively make people look bigger and i say this as somebody who's

05:19:12.440 got a big nose i got a big nose and uh what the why are you playing mambo number five bro great song

05:19:21.560 i think that is the clip though nick if you can pull it up

05:19:28.840 so elon musk uh replied to this and they're still look they're still attractive women but i mean and also

05:19:35.000 it's not i hate these i don't like these no this except the last one i mean they're they're they're

05:19:40.600 too dumb looking

05:19:45.960 also so i can hate these before these before and afters where the lighting's totally different their

05:19:50.680 hair is different they're wearing full makeup the background's different for a before and after to

05:19:55.400 really make sense you have to make everything as much the same lighting background you can't like

05:20:05.800 so it's not fair that she dyed her hair differently whatever but i do actually think it does objectively

05:20:12.600 make somebody more attractive definitely for the rhinoplasty all that other shit that i talked about

05:20:19.240 though nope and i do think to your point earlier that there is a limit like to which one can optimize

05:20:27.240 their looks like if if two people have the same or if two people have different like if you have a

05:20:33.640 woman who's born naturally beautiful she's always she's more likely to be more beautiful when she gets

05:20:40.280 worked on than the girl who was born ugly and gets worked on like there's a limit there's a cap at how

05:20:46.280 much you can max if that makes sense wait so what are we arguing about you were saying earlier that

05:20:53.880 there's a limit like there's only so much that you can optimize your looks she's agreeing with you i'm

05:20:59.560 agreeing oh because i was just making the argument that it's like it's kind of mental illness or it's

05:21:07.000 to improve income sure yeah i mean yeah i suppose but uh i'm i'm looking at it from the dating lens

05:21:16.280 i think it's a spectrum if she is very far on the spectrum where she's getting everything done and

05:21:26.040 she's looking like what kind of like what you were saying earlier like the over-exaggerated ig model

05:21:30.360 then yeah i would probably assume that there's insecurity i also just think it's deceptive too

05:21:36.840 like especially if you don't disclose that to a partner it's like one of the reasons we're attracted to

05:21:42.120 to somebody who's good looking and attractive is because and this isn't always i mean it can be on

05:21:49.560 the intellectual level but it's also like okay this i'll have attractive kids that's one of the

05:21:57.080 components there so if you've like just totally you know blasted in plastic surgery you've totally

05:22:05.880 altered your appearance it's like i think that goes for facial reconstruction i don't think that goes

05:22:11.880 for like implants yeah not not necessarily like that's like if i walk around in heels and someone

05:22:21.400 thinks i'm six foot because i've got heels on but then i take my heels off and i'm five foot it's like

05:22:26.760 clearly you can tell that i have implants so it's like obviously you know looking at someone like okay

05:22:32.760 yeah you have implants but i had to get implants but my sister has natural breasts

05:22:40.680 but that doesn't mean that i'm gonna have a child that has the ability to have you know what i'm you

05:22:46.680 know what i'm saying this would refer a little bit more to that's what i'm saying facial reconstruction

05:22:50.760 facial uh alterations yeah although i mean in terms of the attraction trigger that it's going to cause in

05:22:57.080 men if he can't ultimately immediately determine that you have fake breasts or you have a bbl for

05:23:02.920 example i mean the reality is men are generally attracted to large breasts they're attracted to

05:23:08.920 big butts and so you are kind of like playing on that sort of instinctual trigger inside of men like

05:23:15.000 an attraction trigger but if so it's like

05:23:21.160 if someone thinks that's to say that someone is getting that to impress someone else as opposed to

05:23:30.840 getting it done for themselves you know what i mean so it's like

05:23:37.240 i didn't think i was a two before i got my boobs done and then that's what made me think i was a six

05:23:45.000 like you get what i'm saying it's like it it was for me not for how i thought someone else was going

05:23:51.480 to view me i feel like in some ways in can it can be about how other people view you because

05:23:57.160 ultimately you're comparing yourself to like what girls with big breasts look like and you think those

05:24:02.680 girls are say like prettier so you are kind of comparing yourself to someone else in a way i think

05:24:09.400 to make yourself look as definitely or more beautiful yeah it could be an insecure like so

05:24:15.400 for me i know that i had absolutely nothing and when i looked in the mirror i didn't feel feminine

05:24:23.000 but i knew that the uh the feminine like just image right hold on wait wait wait hold on no this is

05:24:29.960 this is look hold on okay i got you you ready for this i'm gonna everyone's gonna hate me after

05:24:37.720 this but okay you ever seen greek statues you you like of aphrodite these women ain't got

05:24:45.240 fucking milk they don't got milk cannons they've got breasts though they got rolls they got bro they

05:24:50.280 got they got a cup they do have they got a cups huh do you know what an a cup looks like okay

05:24:55.960 okay maybe it's not fine right peak up maybe i don't know they have some sort of breasts man they

05:25:01.080 got but they also so i'm not i'm i will say i'm against bbls because if you can if you can go to

05:25:07.720 the gym and work on it you can go to the gym you can there's no need to go get it right so like i'm

05:25:14.360 very against bbls i'm very against liposuction right if you want to lose weight in your stomach sign

05:25:21.160 up for my personal training if you want to grow your butt sign up for my personal training i can help you

05:25:25.320 do that if you want boobs there's literally nothing i can do just to help you well just

05:25:31.880 accept it sammy you know what i mean sammy you just gotta accept the small b part i'm i'm a you

05:25:38.520 know i am i'm an ally i'm an ally of the itty bitty titty committee i'm an ally okay yeah i said

05:25:44.920 that until i got mine done and then i was so happy i'm just saying if you if you're a girl and you got small

05:25:51.880 boobs just do squats just make up for it you know it's all good girls with small boobs work harder

05:26:06.360 too when did the idea work ethic is the same when did the idea that um big boobs relate to femininity

05:26:12.680 originate for you um i just think it was me personally especially to like the older i got

05:26:20.600 and the more into fitness i got i got more muscular so so for my frame it was just this idea of femininity

05:26:28.680 like i don't think there was like a pivotal point in my life that i was like oh boobs mean feminine i

05:26:35.240 think it was just like the overall like women have breasts men have chest like that kind of thing

05:26:42.760 just like seeing everybody around me like not even that implants were like a known thing because i

05:26:49.480 didn't grow up i didn't even grow up in california so i grew up on the east coast so a lot of east

05:26:54.200 coast is natural beauty right so not a lot of people get plastic surgery there east coast yeah is natural

05:26:59.880 beauty really east yeah compared to compared to california excluding miami don't include miami

05:27:09.000 in that that's what i'm saying yeah so like like a lot of like i guess northeast right so it's just

05:27:15.560 a lot of like natural beauty like not a lot of people get plastic surgery how about the pacific

05:27:19.640 midwest like what's going on there i don't know probably not that much plastic surgery either the

05:27:26.040 midwest i'd imagine doesn't have much either whatever do you think if small boobs were

05:27:31.480 celebrated more and like the magazines that we consumed or like the instagram like like if if

05:27:36.920 women were shown a lot of examples of women with small boobs and and they were the beauty standard do

05:27:43.880 you think that that may have it might have but i mean think about it like when you see i feel like

05:27:49.640 like i guess implants and things like that weren't as common until like more recently right so like

05:27:59.400 growing up in the early 2000s like celebrities didn't have implants like that wasn't super big

05:28:06.280 like i feel like back in the early 2000s celebrities embraced you know smaller chests and things like

05:28:11.960 that so i think it's just like a personal preference like a there was never like a pivotal moment that i was

05:28:18.760 like wow big boobs means feminine it was kind of just like for me for my frame how i see myself this

05:28:25.400 is you know what let's talk about the biggest the biggest tragedy when it comes to plastic surgery okay

05:28:32.440 labiaplasty labiaplasty okay 10 000 there are 10 000 labiaplasties a year in the united states alone

05:28:42.120 poor women they've been they've been tricked they've been tricked into thinking that they're not

05:28:50.600 fine just the way they you know they were born and it's upsetting it upsets me as a feminist

05:28:56.360 i'm very upset by this i'm a i'm a woman's advocate i'm a woman's advocate 10 000 a year you know if we

05:29:04.040 were to add that up if we were to do the math that's like the the chopped up the the chopped off

05:29:12.840 lady bits lady bits if we were to put them in a line i could get from here all the way

05:29:22.360 probably to idaho and that's upsetting okay that's a long that's a very long drive i've done that drive

05:29:29.400 i did go do multiple break stops when i took that drive okay i was very tired my back was aching

05:29:38.040 by the by the end of it and i'll just say listen ladies if there's any ladies out there with large labia

05:29:46.120 don't cut it off okay there are guys you'll find a guy who will like you just the way you are just

05:29:51.320 saying right good talk okay i thought you were gonna say like death death what do you mean like

05:30:00.360 the worst thing about plastic surgery is like dying oh tell us your anecdote maddie i have like a family

05:30:06.280 like i'm like i didn't used to be like super against plastic surgery but i had a family member who like

05:30:11.480 passed away from being under anesthesia and just like yeah because of plastic surgery and that's why i'm

05:30:18.760 like mostly against it because it's just dangerous i think if men were completely erased off the planet

05:30:24.920 women would stop not that i want that to happen i'm just saying if there were no men i think plastic

05:30:30.200 surgeons would go out would go out of business very fast wait hold on and that's not that's not a

05:30:35.960 criticism don't do it for men wait but that's not my argument that's not my argument my argument is that

05:30:42.600 at least a very big reason why a lot of women get plastic surgery is to be more attractive to men

05:30:48.920 it's to increase their mating value score it's true probably and i think that if men were to

05:30:55.960 disappear i mean it's kind of like when you go to a woman's sleepover and everyone's like in their

05:30:59.720 pajamas and no one cares how they look because there's no one there's no but then if a hot guy

05:31:04.760 steps into the room all of a sudden everyone's taking their hair out and i hear the exact opposite

05:31:09.160 argument from women that they're like wearing makeup for other chicks

05:31:15.320 yeah maybe makeup but like what about the y'all do you have fake nails yeah oh well these are my

05:31:20.280 nails but yeah they're they're done you get them done yeah about you there's those fake nails don't

05:31:24.680 look at that one but yeah don't look at that i've been staring at it all night it's you gotta get that

05:31:29.800 fixed okay well the nails they're natural they're just painted you think guys i feel like do you think

05:31:37.560 guys are like wow in certain countries she's got really great nails in certain countries yes their

05:31:42.600 back gets scratched yeah they do yeah but you can just do that with like natural nails

05:31:47.800 lebanese guys love not the women getting their nails done but but yes if we're talking about

05:31:53.720 like the western world about lebanon if if uh if a girl is extremely attractive no one's going to stop

05:31:59.640 her at her nails most men are not going to stop right her nails i was about to i was gonna go for it

05:32:05.080 but i saw that her nails were like her nails weren't done so it's a wrap standard it's a wrap

05:32:12.360 wait going back to you okay you said something interesting when i think you were talking to

05:32:19.160 andrew about uh you you don't think when it comes to the 10 thing you don't make any determinations when

05:32:25.720 it comes to looks no i told him i don't have a preference you have no preferences with looks no i don't

05:32:33.080 you have no preferences with looks it's true so you would date brian

05:32:43.080 well personality wise uh now that i've gotten to know him that's that's different if he came

05:32:49.480 up to you and said oh can i get your number you'd say yeah um maybe if he approached me that way i

05:32:54.760 probably wouldn't but based off the looks then i wouldn't disagree in a perfect situation if he

05:33:00.440 approached you and was like hey my name is brian would like to take you out here's my number can i

05:33:05.880 have your number yeah i'm confused i'm still confused

05:33:15.800 were you not paying attention no i was paying attention but

05:33:20.280 she said yes if you approached her the right way yeah but how's that related to looks it's not it's not

05:33:27.640 that's the point she just said like she's basically saying she would determine

05:33:35.000 she doesn't look at looks she would determine by the way someone approaches her

05:33:45.160 so i think everybody's attractive but just because you're attractive doesn't mean you get a date or a

05:33:49.800 number everybody you think everyone's attractive yeah what it's true this sounds like some kumbaya

05:34:03.800 bullshit to me it's not every oh my god so you don't think there's objective beauty

05:34:09.400 i'm sure there is i'm there's you know there's beauty standards there's you know stuff like that but

05:34:15.800 i just i just don't agree with that do you have a celebrity crush um i don't think so i don't like

05:34:21.480 celebrities or put would you rather date an obese guy or like an athletic guy well that's different

05:34:26.760 because that's a health issue of course i don't want to date somebody who isn't healthy and you know

05:34:32.920 it's that's totally different but i don't think he's ugly he probably has a beautiful face but well

05:34:37.320 ignoring ignoring uh ignoring the health implications of obesity which one do you find

05:34:44.360 more aesthetically pleasing uh if we're talking aesthetic then that's not really like

05:34:49.960 devon jackson donated 69 dollars i believe her on the looks thing about as much as i believe her on

05:34:56.760 the waiting till marriage thing which is to say i don't boom rested um so you you're about to say go

05:35:04.920 ahead um i forgot what the question was you were about to say that you don't care about looks or

05:35:14.040 something yeah i don't i mean i think everybody is attractive but that doesn't mean just because

05:35:20.280 you're attractive you get a date or you get a number right okay so i asked you just on aesthetics

05:35:25.880 you're about to say something about aesthetics um i don't have an aesthetic i don't have aesthetic

05:35:31.800 preference so i don't think that really matters to me personally nick could you pull up that true

05:35:39.480 rate me thing do you know what i'm talking about yeah do you know where to find it uh no actually i

05:35:45.160 don't okay i think it's in the dropbox folder i'm pretty sure uh but i'm not

05:35:52.840 i don't know where it is dude it might be infographics possibly yeah if you can work on it but okay so

05:36:19.640 looks i i just it's hard for me to believe that that looks don't matter at all has that always

05:36:27.000 been the case for you or only after you became more religious no i think i think it's always been

05:36:32.200 the case so you wouldn't mind if your kids were ugly why would my kids be ugly because you dated

05:36:39.400 the ugly person because looks don't matter she wouldn't she wouldn't no just because you think

05:36:44.280 somebody's ugly doesn't mean i would think they're ugly what if that looks don't matter what if you

05:36:49.080 both agreed well you said you don't make well you can't make any determinations to ugliness right

05:36:55.480 because you think everyone's attractive right so there would be no point of contention over who's

05:37:01.400 ugly well she could think somebody's ugly but you would just default to everybody's attractive yeah

05:37:07.160 okay um have you found it nick uh yeah i just want the guys i don't want the girls

05:37:22.360 do you have the guys um yeah i think so

05:37:27.640 all right so we're gonna have you look at uh some photos here and we're gonna just ask

05:37:33.080 kind of your opinion can you get it pulled up please yeah you want to start at the top yes at

05:37:37.400 the top please all right um make it a little bigger please how these guys look the bigger bigger

05:37:48.840 um okay uh wait put uh show me the cursor over there are these guys models or celebrities

05:37:56.040 some of them are actors just click okay now you should be able to mouse wheel out that's hilarious

05:38:02.520 wheel out more uh sure uh maybe a little bigger because scroll down a little bit all right so you

05:38:12.920 might disagree with specific placements of some of these men but uh francisco luchowski that's one that

05:38:18.440 i tend to often show on individually nick what how long has big labia matter been up

05:38:24.120 how long have you had that okay go ahead scroll down

05:38:38.280 okay

05:38:41.240 keep going just scroll down you know what just scroll all the way down to the bottom

05:38:45.640 all the way immediately down to the bottom

05:38:47.320 um scroll back up a little bit

05:38:53.640 okay um so no differentiation between the men at the bottom and the men at the very top

05:39:00.600 no because lol paladins donated 69 dollars rachel wilson 7 out of 10. rachel wilson's sandwich is 10

05:39:08.920 out of 10. this woman is like when you ask if she cares about height they always say no but then you

05:39:15.640 find out her boyfriend is six feet two uh what your assumption is wrong okay thank you lol paladins uh

05:39:25.240 thank you thank you thank you uh i should i just showed you the thing what you're about to say go

05:39:29.880 ahead um well i think that was pretty i don't know i i do think everybody on there is attractive

05:39:37.080 obviously the ones at the top had some work done and are like the i don't know they definitely looked a

05:39:42.600 little too plastic they looked even ai to me and the guys at the bottom obviously looked you know

05:39:47.320 like they've been in an accident or you know there was some like deformation within the birth

05:39:53.080 or something like that so but that doesn't i don't i don't see that as ugly and i don't see them

05:39:58.680 as good looking attractive do you see it as less attractive than the guys at the top definitely not

05:40:04.840 what girly hold on okay bring it back uh scroll it up to the top don't show us the bottom

05:40:18.600 okay uh just show us from uh 10 to eight

05:40:26.440 okay all right now just bring us to five

05:40:34.200 uh where okay jonah hill so no you can't make any any differentiation here any discernment here

05:40:46.760 between the men at the top and the men who are average no

05:40:54.680 can i ask can i ask a question can i ask a question to you reason with somebody like this

05:41:00.280 um how would you define your personal style like how you dress but she's also a 10

05:41:07.880 like my personal style i don't know like how do you choose clothing that you buy like for example

05:41:12.760 the dress you're wearing i guess it depends on the occasion and i don't know but do you find casual

05:41:21.240 comfortable i don't know what you're you're well i'm just saying like if you were in a store and you

05:41:26.040 had to pick because you couldn't buy everything in the store would you be would you gravitate towards

05:41:30.680 certain items of clothing over others uh yes definitely why um like because you think they're

05:41:40.840 prettier than others maybe no it's like saying

05:41:48.680 i guess it's just what fits me like obviously i'm gonna choose a t-shirt over a crop top or you know

05:41:54.040 stuff like that wait question okay question hold on so do you think that being attractive confers

05:42:00.520 benefits in life um yeah of course okay so if you're physically uh good looking maybe it means

05:42:09.960 you'll get treated better by people you will have better dating prospects you might be have opportunities

05:42:16.680 financially or with a job that you wouldn't otherwise have even in jobs that have really nothing to do

05:42:22.360 with the physical appearance they've actually found that for example in business ceos or you know

05:42:28.120 whatever in corporations people are better looking tend to be promoted more frequently at more regular

05:42:34.200 intervals get more uh more raises etc um yeah i guess so okay so knowing that and you you do agree

05:42:45.000 though that being physically attractive confers certain benefits um yes in life okay so maybe you

05:42:54.440 aren't able on your own level you're not able to make determinations as to any given per any given

05:43:01.160 person's attractiveness but do you acknowledge that some people are more attractive than others or

05:43:06.520 no um well here we have a beauty standard and so yes by that beauty standard yes i agree

05:43:16.360 okay so even on your own personal level okay knowing that you don't make any discernments when

05:43:23.160 it comes to physical attractiveness you don't factor it in in terms of who you would date

05:43:27.800 don't wouldn't you want you want to have kids of course okay wouldn't and would you agree that you'd

05:43:35.880 want to confer as many benefits to your children as possible no well not in i mean of course but not

05:43:43.400 in the terms of like how they look physically that's but even knowing that being physically attractive

05:43:50.040 confers benefits throughout life you wouldn't want to confer that benefit onto your children

05:43:55.800 by for example choosing to partner with and marry and have children with somebody who's physically

05:44:03.880 attractive no i would rather choose someone who's less physically attractive and you know whatever

05:44:10.440 standards you're referring to and i and a good person yeah let's assume the good-looking person's

05:44:17.080 also a good person then that doesn't matter then i'm not looking at their physical then he's a good

05:44:21.560 person of course i'm gonna pick that person what if you had a choice between two people who are

05:44:25.000 both good people one was more physically attractive or you would just you wouldn't be able to even

05:44:33.320 discern yeah you're just you looking at two people you wouldn't even be able to determine which one's

05:44:39.160 more physically attractive yeah because i would go into i would think about why why do i determine this

05:44:45.000 person is more attractive depend on what scale and you know like um the objective beauty scale i guess

05:44:59.720 then i'd rather not lol paladins donated five hundred dollars okay they want you muted this troll

05:45:05.400 she decided to triple down rather than admit she was lying would rather you talk about literally any

05:45:11.000 other topic yeah we'll move it on um i'm not really sure what angle how to exactly approach

05:45:16.360 this let me ask you one more question though right before we mute it so is it because you you don't

05:45:23.080 want to like is this actually how you think or you just don't want to admit on the podcast

05:45:28.120 that like because you feel it would be mean no or insensitive or it wouldn't be nice

05:45:35.320 to actually admit that there are differences in physical appearance i think there are differences

05:45:40.520 but again i think that's on a like a beauty standard that i don't go with okay so

05:45:49.240 he did want to mute you okay we're gonna mute you i i guess just my whole thing is like looking at

05:45:55.800 those guys who are at the top of that the the photos or whatever and then the guys who are in the

05:46:01.080 middle at the five or four or even the guys at the very bottom i mean i i question your ability to

05:46:08.840 make logical and reasonable decisions if presented with like

05:46:17.640 the the genetic gift that some of those men would be able to confer to your children

05:46:22.920 leaving aside just strictly your your own selfish reasons for like what you find aesthetically

05:46:28.920 pleasing like you saying that i would just as quickly pick one of those men at the very bottom

05:46:36.360 over the men at the top is just to me is like crazy i think that's a little shadow then well but you

05:46:44.440 like you have makeup on right and regardless of how anyone here feels about makeup makeup was designed

05:46:50.840 to make women look more visually appealing to men like it's the blush is how a woman looks when she

05:46:56.840 is flushed and fertile and healthy like full eyebrows are a mark of youth and same thing full hair same

05:47:04.280 thing like brought like all of makeup is designed to make you look more fertile more youthful more

05:47:10.120 beautiful and you're participating in makeup so whether you can admit it or not on some level

05:47:17.480 you conform to a universal beauty standard well no i'm sorry i'm sorry i do have to honor i have to

05:47:25.640 honor the mute i do have to honor the mute so we're going to move it on um we'll go for a little bit

05:47:30.840 longer and i think we're going to try to uh wrap pretty soon but uh any uh any topics any of y'all want

05:47:38.120 to want to hit on here andrew you got anything you want to hit on besides kiki

05:47:47.240 you leave kiki out of this okay what are you eating what are you eating man just some potato

05:47:53.000 chips tuna sandwich um tuna sandwich tuna sandwich uh madison what you got for us i know you got some

05:48:01.960 who the hell eats tuna go ahead maddie what you got not even real anymore either it's not even real

05:48:06.920 tuna what you got for us maddie doesn't didn't we talk about things right before we started the

05:48:12.360 show that we once we wanted to talk about no i think you have something i think you have something

05:48:18.680 maddie oh okay i guess i'll ask my question that i always ask um do you guys think that body

05:48:27.160 count matters or would you like object to a man caring about your body count

05:48:36.680 i don't think body count matters and i mean if someone has a preference that's their preference

05:48:42.760 if i don't fit their preference then that's fine i think everyone's allowed to have their own

05:48:49.000 preference on i think anything right looks how someone carries themselves as a standard right so if

05:48:56.760 you're okay with being someone with someone who has a lower or higher body count then that's fine i

05:49:02.760 think everyone's entitled to their own preference in terms of appearance and standards and things like

05:49:09.160 that i agree with you jay ekin donated 69 to quote the great andrew wilson let us assume for a

05:49:19.480 second does sending a tts make me a simping pay pig huh nick stares at nick okay i'm off for my

05:49:26.760 vibrational journey to st baptist church

05:49:32.920 yo jay ekin thank you man appreciate it good to see you in the chat man it's jay ekin jay ekin did i

05:49:39.400 okay i guess i scuffed it um trying to think what else there is hold on guys i was um i was looking

05:49:47.320 here at at kind of your uh your your business

05:49:57.800 old man marine donated 69 your delusion makes you sound stupid and you're less attractive for it

05:50:05.560 quit being stupid you effing moron jeez angry man yo what's up marine thank you man appreciate it

05:50:16.520 uh go ahead andrew his mic's not working can't hear you your mic's off

05:50:25.720 andrew can't hear you man mic's off well i don't i don't know why the mic keeps on getting shut off but

05:50:32.360 uh it says that you're a thought leader dropping truth bombs about modern dating that's an old bio

05:50:39.240 but yes what are the truth bombs i dropped several tonight you asked me to rate the room i did

05:50:50.520 that's one

05:50:53.320 you're muted muted

05:50:54.520 yeah what are the truth bombs that you dropped i mean i dropped one earlier i said there's an

05:51:03.080 objective mating value score and it's decided by who you're wanting to mate with that's a truth bomb

05:51:09.880 yeah i mean that's pretty common knowledge right well apparently not because we just spent 40 minutes

05:51:16.200 arguing it so apparently it's not common knowledge for everyone well i know i mean it is because by your

05:51:23.000 own admission you just basically said that they're lying through their teeth right like they they do

05:51:27.080 believe it yeah common knowledge isn't always common sense and some people don't abide by common sense

05:51:33.640 so just because it's common knowledge doesn't mean that everyone's operating by it

05:51:38.760 well give me another truth bomb um i gave one earlier i said if you had a a 35 year old woman and

05:51:46.920 a 25 year old woman side by side with all the same characteristics the younger one would be more

05:51:51.080 appealing for obvious answers for obvious reasons rather how's that a truth bomb because it's

05:51:57.080 uncomfortable if you say all those people will go for the hotter chick if you had a clone of a chick

05:52:02.280 who was 25 and one uh you know you cloned her off of a chick who was 40 wouldn't they go for the 25

05:52:08.600 year old wouldn't every human being basically say yes no some people don't want to believe that

05:52:14.360 no i think that most people would believe that i think that they just kind of lie right they're

05:52:20.360 just not telling the truth well that's why it's called the women in the room right but but that's

05:52:24.120 why it's called a truth bomb because it's uncomfortable people don't want to hear it

05:52:30.120 okay yeah i'm just curious what what the truth bombs were that you dropped that's all yeah i mean

05:52:36.440 that there are things that people don't want to some people don't want to agree are true

05:52:42.440 because they're uncomfortable they would have to mean that there is such a thing as

05:52:46.280 certain people being superior in the mating market

05:52:52.280 yeah i just don't feel like that's i don't know i don't that just seems like it's common

05:52:56.360 knowledge to me i was hoping for like here's some things so the reason i'm getting at this

05:53:01.080 because i was hoping you have all this experience as a dating coach you've been in this market for

05:53:05.000 a long time i'm hoping that i can hear some new stuff right i've been hearing this this type of

05:53:10.040 you know kind of uh women like taller men that kind of thing is very basic stuff well you're

05:53:17.800 married years and years you're married you're married so you're not nine you donated sixty

05:53:23.960 nine dollars to the lebanese female do you think females have easy here in the usa or in lebanon

05:53:31.080 um easier how like easier how they have sex way faster than women in lebanon is he asking are they

05:53:40.040 easier or do they have it easier do they have it easier oh do they have it easier when it comes to

05:53:44.360 dating i guess you could say that about anything if i had to give a very generalized answer i would say

05:53:51.160 no they don't have it easier because men in the middle east are still by large more traditionally

05:53:58.760 masculine and dominant but that is a very big generalization and lebanon is a very small country

05:54:05.160 so nickelodeon donated 25 dollars do you find deformed men beautiful too because you yourself

05:54:12.360 have also sustained major head trauma wait oh wait but i want to i wanted to say one more thing

05:54:20.040 andrew um andrew clearly you're already married and happily it seems so these aren't truth bombs for

05:54:27.240 you because you've already got to figure it out i mean you you figured it out you cracked the code but

05:54:32.760 there are so many men in your position who have not and therefore revelations like this are actually

05:54:39.160 revelations to them so what well then what would distinguish you from other dating coaches

05:54:47.880 well for one when it comes to helping people i i don't just help people feel better i help them

05:54:54.040 become objectively more attractive based on don't all big dating coaches do that no no no

05:55:03.000 so isn't that just basic looks maxing it's not just looks though women don't just care about looks

05:55:08.280 that's one category of a woman care about if we really had to boil it down i've actually codified

05:55:14.840 what women care care about and it is a five category assessment that what is it women universally agree

05:55:22.760 on it's called the mating value score so no regardless of where a woman lives in the world

05:55:30.120 she more or less wants the same thing now whether she can have that is a different story but

05:55:35.400 most women if not all straight women want more or less the same thing okay what's that

05:55:44.760 um well to use a story from the client earlier that i shared he had everything but he was extremely

05:55:53.960 insecure when he would approach him and he was very nervous so he you know he checked off a lot of the

05:56:00.440 boxes but when it came to actually how he positioned himself he came off as insecure and every woman on

05:56:06.440 this table i believe or at least most of the women on the table agreed that they wanted a man who was

05:56:11.080 confident so most women want a man who makes them feel safe and a man that they're attracted to that they

05:56:19.400 can respect and a man who but makes more money i think most women do want that whether they can have

05:56:27.160 that as a different story but i do think that most women want a man who makes more money is stronger

05:56:33.000 than them physically um is dominant his default is dominant and um that just sounds like basic red pill

05:56:42.040 talking points to me well that's because it's the truth but yeah but i'm just trying i'm trying to figure out

05:56:49.640 what sets you apart from every other day because i yeah actually no it's a good question coaches all

05:56:56.840 the time right and i debate within the red pill sphere with these red pillars all the time as well

05:57:02.760 and what you're saying here is just really functionally basic stuff that i would hear from

05:57:08.600 any of these coaches right so none of them are going to say ah women like it when you're a weak

05:57:13.000 bitch right now they like it when you're poor none of them are going to say that but that's not

05:57:18.440 feedback so it sets me apart is that i get real women to give real feedback to men i'm not just

05:57:24.920 talking at them for three months ulysses the pagan donated 25 dollars boiling it down your profession

05:57:31.640 sounds more like an end run around the law and is actually an escort service okay yeah i don't well

05:57:39.640 i don't know about that but like i mean there's a there's a guy on youtube i used to engage with all

05:57:44.600 the time his name is alex playing the playing with fire channel and i liked him okay right he's a nice

05:57:49.880 enough guy uh he but i mean this stuff that you're talking about this would be like very very basic

05:57:57.960 stuff he would just start with before getting into the kind of the meat and potatoes but it's not

05:58:02.920 always basic because i've worked with men who are six feet make six figures and yet they don't fare

05:58:11.480 well with women because for example they don't know how to hold a conversation or they can't flirt

05:58:17.080 or they frankly don't even know that they're attractive so they don't present with confidence

05:58:20.920 it's it's more nuanced than that so just because it's common knowledge doesn't mean that it's always

05:58:26.440 common sense and what you're talking about charisma right charisma is one of it is is a part of it

05:58:32.040 social proof is another so like earlier someone was saying if ryan approached andrea like what would

05:58:37.240 she say the first question that popped up in my head was does she know that he's the host of this

05:58:42.120 podcast or not because that matters instinctually to women he's got a lot of social proof because he's

05:58:48.920 got millions of subscribers so he's clearly proven himself proof that he's charismatic no it means that

05:58:54.920 he's got high status yeah but i mean if you're the head of a podcast you would be charismatic right

05:59:01.400 potentially yeah but it's not there's so many there's a lot of charismatic podcast speakers who

05:59:08.840 do not have 4.4 million subscribers and there's also podcast speakers who have 4.4 million who are

05:59:14.760 not charismatic exactly name one so i mean i get what you're trying to say stop stop hey stop name

05:59:21.160 a podcaster has 4.4 million subscribers who's not charismatic i'd like to actually hear one name

05:59:26.760 it was just a statement right it wasn't yeah no i know but can you name one i just said it was

05:59:34.120 a statement not i know what you just said can you answer my question now no i can't yeah i didn't

05:59:39.640 think you could because you can't name one right wait so just yeah yeah you roll your roll your eyes

05:59:44.600 but you couldn't answer the question and you couldn't answer the question because it's stupid it's

05:59:48.840 actually a stupid statement to say some guy has this massive giant 4.4 million following and has zero

05:59:56.280 charisma it's it's the dumbest thing i ever heard i mean the reason that i bring this up the reason

06:00:00.600 that i bring the charisma thing up is because i don't think that could be taught i think that

06:00:04.600 there's a bunch of people who claim that charisma can teach men how to be charismatic and i think

06:00:08.600 they're lying to them oh i think that charisma is something which is foundational you either have

06:00:12.840 the potential for you don't i greatly disagree charisma good that we can get into the heart of this

06:00:18.200 tell me how you teach somebody charisma i'm pretty milk toast i gotta be honest i'm

06:00:22.840 andrew i'm pretty milk toast you can teach someone charisma you can teach someone to be funnier thank

06:00:28.600 you andrew you can teach someone to be a better listener to ask good questions to tell better

06:00:33.320 stories you can teach someone to be more influential when they walk into a room you can just like you can

06:00:39.240 teach sales you can teach charisma 100 sales to people have charisma and you can teach charisma to

06:00:46.040 people who yeah so tell me how would you teach a person who are not in sales how would you teach

06:00:50.600 somebody to be funnier well i'd have them hang out with other people who are funny i'd have them watch

06:00:57.560 comedians i would teach them timing tonality sure but when they need to have some baseline inside of

06:01:03.400 their personality core some kind of baseline charisma where they even had the potential where they could

06:01:10.040 be funny yeah but potential doesn't mean anything if it's not actualized and so i agree that well okay

06:01:18.040 so so i can agree when you're talking about actualization right like maybe you have the

06:01:22.280 potential to be a bodybuilder but you never work out i get that but when i'm talking about charisma i think

06:01:28.040 that charisma starts with a base so there has to be some base for this and that people have that base

06:01:33.720 already at least somewhat charismatic can madame hussein the con artist shut up and miss piggy on

06:01:40.360 the far right put on a burqa so that's crazy is your is your argument just so i'm clear that we're

06:01:47.240 having the same conversation is your argument that we're born as we are and we should just kind of

06:01:51.720 accept it so we're either charismatic or we're not charismatic and then we shouldn't really yeah so

06:01:57.480 that to me sounds like a fixed mindset so yeah so i think if you're born really really ugly

06:02:02.520 you might be able to what they could call looks maxing and you might be able to make yourself

06:02:08.520 slightly less ugly maybe you can work out and this type of thing but i think you're still going to be

06:02:13.160 ugly you're just going to be buff and ugly right so maybe it can up your scale a little bit maybe one

06:02:19.400 point something like this but i think that the charisma especially and what i've noted is people either

06:02:26.360 have this as a trait they either are somewhat leaning towards charismatic or they just don't

06:02:32.680 so like even in your example of sales yes you can teach people sales if they have the potential to

06:02:37.320 be charismatic enough to do it because they already have some set level of charisma i don't think that

06:02:42.040 charisma is something that's taught though i don't think it's something easily taught you either have

06:02:45.720 it it's called the it factor for a reason right you either have it or you don't well i i mean it's a

06:02:51.080 i respect your opinion and i disagree i think you can definitely teach people how to be charismatic

06:02:56.760 and i don't think you have to be charismatic to be good at sales there are plenty of extremely mellow

06:03:02.280 sales people sales is all about you have a problem and i'm better at explaining the problem than you are

06:03:08.360 and i have a solution that matches your problem yeah that's not charisma communication is charisma

06:03:13.960 they've actually done studies on this um sales with video off do perform much better than sales

06:03:22.280 with video on why is that you can't really use charisma with as much because the person's better

06:03:28.920 looking can they can't what do you mean they're better looking and have more charisma you can't see

06:03:34.840 i'm saying video off sells better than video on uh because most people are not very good looking

06:03:41.800 likely most salesmen are probably not highly good looking but that doesn't mean they don't have a

06:03:45.560 lot of charisma so this is why women can fall in love with the voice right and then see the

06:03:50.520 guy behind the voice and go holy shit once they see him they go eh not so interested love the voice

06:03:57.240 didn't really necessarily love the person behind the voice okay well i do think that some people

06:04:02.040 are born naturally more charismatic just like some people are born naturally more attractive so if

06:04:07.160 those people have if one person's starting point is not naturally more charismatic the other one is

06:04:12.600 less the person who's naturally more charismatic with even more training to be charismatic is

06:04:17.880 definitely going to end up more charismatic than the person who started i also think that someone who has

06:04:22.840 the propensity to be charismatic but doesn't really work on it like they just are who they are versus

06:04:29.560 someone who is determined to learn how to become more charismatic and puts in the work over time could

06:04:34.760 potentially outdo the person who was born naturally more charismatic are you actually

06:04:39.240 bullet donated 25 dollars brian is really good at solitaire it's i'm listening it's we can we can

06:04:48.680 change topic by the way i just no no it's good yeah it's good it's just a bit it's a bit it's a bit

06:04:53.480 i'm listening go ahead yeah keep going well no i mean he asked me what i do that sets me apart than other

06:04:59.000 day coaches which i think is a fair question um yeah and my answer based on what i've seen

06:05:05.800 coordinated 25 dollars and 69 cents i know this isn't a political podcast but brian please dog let

06:05:13.480 these hawk tues answer who you're voting for and why if trump hold up one finger if rfk jr two fingers

06:05:21.320 if biden and l on your forehead don't hold up a finger mind sweep of these solitaire donated 25

06:05:28.120 dollars lowell's brixton uh show uh show of hands if you're voting for uh trump

06:05:38.280 do we need to have this conversation right now

06:05:43.640 okay well my political views are private yeah that's fine anyways back to what you guys were

06:05:48.840 talking about um back to what you were talking about so based on my research of other dating coaches

06:05:55.320 what i believe sets me apart based on the feedback i've gotten from people who have worked with their

06:05:59.640 dating coaches and then come work with me is that we get men direct feedback from objectively objectively

06:06:07.560 attractive women so it's not just my opinion it's other women who are more attractive and more so what

06:06:15.560 they are looking for or whatever same doesn't yeah just attractive women what do attractive women the

06:06:21.400 type of woman that i would want to attract the type of woman that if i saw her at the gym i would

06:06:26.440 probably talk myself out of approaching her because i would think that she's out of my league what does

06:06:30.920 she think about me and in what ways can i improve that i'm not currently aware of because as i was

06:06:37.000 sharing earlier when i first started my business i thought i was going to work with like total nerds

06:06:43.960 who were extremely unattractive and socially awkward i was baffled by the fact that i actually ended up

06:06:49.720 working with a lot of very attractive men who in a different world if i wasn't working with them i

06:06:56.360 might even consider to be an option like i would be attracted to them and i was surprised to see that

06:07:02.360 many men who are other dating coaches also do the exact same thing they have women do vetting well not

06:07:08.840 not based on my research feedback not based on my research no so the fact that i've codified female

06:07:14.200 attraction into a five assessment category and i've got i get women to give men quantifiable feedback

06:07:21.400 like here is how you could go from a five or a six to an eight or a nine to women like me that's how

06:07:27.880 like that's what it would take for us to see you that way no i have not seen anyone else codify

06:07:33.480 attraction i have not seen anyone else quantify attraction because men like numbers you ever heard of

06:07:41.000 uh you ever heard of a guy named michael charting adamantium donated 25 and 69 cents

06:07:47.960 her master dame was going to act like we don't know who she votes for

06:07:53.240 by what the fuck by the way this is the roast section we're in the roast section of the show

06:07:58.840 so they're gonna roast i'm sure there are other fantastic dating coaches i'm just talking about the

06:08:04.040 ones that i have personally looked up ones that i would consider competition i've looked at what

06:08:11.640 they do i've essentially funnel hacked them and funnel yeah funnel hack it just means that you

06:08:18.680 um figure out what their how what their well he has um he has a coaching program i don't remember what

06:08:26.520 his organization is called because i just i just don't remember kind of tiny details like that

06:08:31.560 but inside of his he also has a kind of a powerpoint plan which goes over the exact same type of thing

06:08:38.440 right which is uh male attractiveness how you can look smack this type of thing but this honestly like

06:08:44.680 i'm just giving you honest feedback because i'm as i'm listening to you this just really sounds like

06:08:50.760 very very very basic kind of red pill talking points as far as do this and then that'll lead to

06:08:56.120 this you know you can look max here you can um you can possibly improve this portion of yourself

06:09:01.560 it's all basically just male self-improvement yeah just like a fitness coach gives you

06:09:06.840 more or less advice that you can find for free on the internet which is eat less work out more

06:09:12.680 but it doesn't mean that it makes it it doesn't it's no easier just because you can

06:09:16.440 information is not transformation yeah that's

06:09:19.000 for donated 25 dollars where is the elevator music i'd like to go there for a little r and r

06:09:27.080 instead of listening to this so-called dating coach okay thank you termi i appreciate it thank you

06:09:32.760 thank you it's called so it's like it's like with with enough 25 dollars the pushback is because we're

06:09:38.840 skeptical of female dating coaches for men generally speaking you don't ask a fish how to catch fish

06:09:46.040 but i must acknowledge male drifters in this space too wait yeah there's no doubt about that

06:09:51.480 decay donated 25 dollars i interrupt this discourse for an important message my sprinkler goes like this

06:10:05.800 and comes back like this

06:10:10.040 thank you wait i'm sorry i i need attention for a little bit okay check this is my first time ever

06:10:15.480 jay ekin donated 25 dollars jay bro him the most charismatic handsomest boy ever just ask my mom

06:10:25.080 okay thank you jay you you are the most charismatic and handsome my mom says i'm way more handsome than

06:10:30.440 his mom says he is all right boys this is the first ever solitaire w on the whatever podcast i don't know

06:10:37.800 how many games i've played oh bro

06:10:39.960 underscore anius underscore junior donated 25 dollars andrew how hilarious would it be to rile

06:10:47.160 this wonderful bunch up and explain the enforcement mechanism to them ladies do you have rights if so

06:10:54.680 why and how do you have these rights bp yeah we gotta we gotta move we gotta move from that we're near the

06:11:01.240 end of the show but okay hold on uh w

06:11:09.240 boom

06:11:11.560 first solitaire w on the whatever podcast i've clutched it boys i've clutched it hold on

06:11:17.720 that's right you see that clutchness bro i am fucking clutch

06:11:24.680 yes about time i get a fucking lucky break in this fucking game

06:11:27.880 motherfuckers and i clutched the goddamn grenade launcher that's fucking right

06:11:33.080 i am a fucking legend

06:11:35.640 you're awesome anyways uh sorry to be cringe go ahead continue guys

06:11:40.680 well given enough time i believe that anyone can

06:11:44.840 lord paladin's donated 25 dollars biggest thing that red pill taught me is that these

06:11:50.680 women's won't acknowledge his dark triad traits work before i found trp 10 years ago i was dating

06:11:57.720 single moms try it out guys thank you but seriously i've never won a game of solitaire on this

06:12:05.880 podcast so that's david to the key act donated 25 and one cent i want a champagne you are smart

06:12:12.680 your advice applies to brian he should stop eating on camera maddie you are nice young

06:12:18.040 lady sorry for roasting you before props to rachel wilson shout out rachel wilson and don't get the

06:12:24.760 rocks donated 25 something smells fishy here but definitely haram habibi cleary is definitely grifting

06:12:33.480 these poor simps get the rocks yeah abdul yeah get one st underscore cav underscore vet donated

06:12:41.880 25 dollars brian ask girl in yellow dress if she thinks donald trump is a 10 maddie is not an eight

06:12:49.560 she is a solid nine middle pink top is a six rest are four okay liquid scorpion underscore one donated

06:12:57.960 25 25 women want older men because younger guys are too immature ladies that highlights your own

06:13:05.480 immaturity because you seek instant gratification growing side by side with a guy your age is living

06:13:12.200 life word okay i'm gonna do five minutes of uh alert moderation here if you guys i'll pause it

06:13:21.800 temporarily if you guys want to finish up your point so you're not interrupted that'd be cool

06:13:28.040 yeah it's good yeah well i was just i was just wanting to dive in um i guess it's hard i understand

06:13:34.040 it's hard when the conversation flow gets broke up from time to time for us to kind of remember where

06:13:38.360 we're at but to revisit it so i was i was hoping for like an epiphany you know what i mean i've been in

06:13:44.360 these spaces now for a little while i've heard a lot of different things said by a lot of different

06:13:48.840 people but it kind of always narrows down to kind of these basic what i would consider to be red pill

06:13:54.120 sphere talking points yeah i get it and manage manosphere talking points so i was looking for

06:13:58.520 that light bulb the epiphany the ding the oh here's the thing that i have that no and that that's that's

06:14:04.840 all look i get it when i hired a fitness coach two years ago i was hoping for the same thing because to

06:14:09.480 be honest getting my ass to the gym four or five times a week uh counting macros that was not fun in my

06:14:17.480 in my mind so i was hoping for her to just say look you can do a little bit of pilates eat whatever

06:14:23.160 you want and you're going to get that hourglass big booty figure that you're looking for but hard

06:14:28.280 truth is nope it's actually just common knowledge count your macros eat up your protein lift heavier

06:14:36.680 weights progressively overload and in time you will get the physique that you want most people they don't

06:14:43.320 they don't all my clients when they sign up to work with me it's not because there's lack of

06:14:47.800 information out there there is a lot of free information out there on my instagram on a bunch

06:14:54.200 of other female dating coaches instagram they're not hiring me so that i can give them more information

06:14:59.640 per se they're hiring me so that i can hold them accountable partially it's that and it's also to give

06:15:05.800 them a more nuanced perspective about them because usually when you're making content i'll speak for my

06:15:11.400 audience i make content for 181 000 followers on instagram 150 000 on tick tock i'm making advice

06:15:20.280 videos for a generalized audience but i'm not i i can't know why a 37 year old six foot six foot

06:15:29.560 five dude in finance i can't know why he's struggling until i talk to him and until i figure out what's going

06:15:36.520 on that he's just not doing what he's supposed to be doing just like i bet sammy if she were

06:15:41.320 looking at me probably wouldn't be able to figure out why can't she just get to the gym four to five

06:15:45.960 times a week count her macros sleep on time and do what she's got to do to get the body that she wants

06:15:52.120 right if it were that easy then why are there so so many women who get bbls because they're looking

06:15:57.800 for the easy fix and they don't want the accountability they don't want the discipline

06:16:02.360 so when men work with me it's not so that i can give them more information because information is not

06:16:07.240 transformation it's so that they can be held accountable to a vision that is specific to them

06:16:13.320 yeah but when it comes to personal trainers um you know who trained your physical body your

06:16:19.480 physiology there's definitely tears to them some are way better at it than others are totally and

06:16:25.320 the reason that they are is because well they can kind of dive in a bit better and they have a deeper

06:16:31.240 or a unique or understanding of how different people respond to these different circumstances

06:16:37.160 in their life to how different bodies respond to stress different types of things like this so i

06:16:41.800 mean there's definitely tears to personal trainers i would assume that inside of this realm there would be

06:16:47.000 two and so if i kind of i think if i were to ask personal trainers who are low tier versus high tier

06:16:53.640 what are the things that would set you apart i don't think that they would give the same answer as

06:16:58.120 the low tier trainer i think what they would do is they would give you hang on i just let you go

06:17:02.360 through those let me finish i think that they would go through uh an entire different set and say no

06:17:08.280 no no this guy is low tier because a b c d i'm high tier because i understand you know yeah you know what

06:17:18.040 i mean they understand an entirely different set of the physiology than kind of the low tier trainer

06:17:23.800 does so i guess that's what i'm looking for in the distinction yeah and i've hired a lot of

06:17:27.480 coaches and i've learned through trial and error that good branding does not always mean that the

06:17:33.560 program is going to match the branding so what when i'm hiring a coach what i'm looking for is

06:17:39.320 how many people like me have they helped get the results that i want so how many people that are

06:17:45.080 similar to me and want a similar result has this person successfully been able to help

06:17:50.200 that's my marker for success so followers aside whatever but i mean nobody's saying that they i

06:17:59.720 mean every dating coach i've ever seen has the i've helped thousands here's my body count i haven't

06:18:06.680 helped here's my success rate and here's all all of my testimonies on my site right i mean it's always

06:18:12.200 kind of the same thing isn't it well yeah i mean what else are you going to go by if you're wanting to

06:18:17.480 hire a plastic surgeon you're going to go by the before and afters if you want to hire a fitness

06:18:21.080 coach you're going to go by the before and afters if you're going to hire a dating coach you're looking

06:18:25.080 for how many men has she actually helped how many how many men went went from dating women that they

06:18:31.400 were feeling like they were settling for to women that actually blew their mind like how many men went

06:18:37.560 from chasing one that's why you put people to the question to ask them what sets you apart right

06:18:43.080 because then it's not well my testimonies say that i'm set apart because i'm super skilled

06:18:48.840 because that's easily fudged right instead usually they'd be like this these are the criteria that

06:18:53.800 really the reason you should use me is because this reason more than anything and it's it's really the

06:19:01.720 thing that that puts me over the top right so like for me what sets you apart from almost all of the

06:19:08.600 debaters is because i have some of the most powerful rhetoric uh inside of the debate sphere

06:19:14.200 that's what really sets me apart yeah i answered that question i mean i'm happy to answer it again

06:19:20.920 what sets me apart is that i have found a way to quantify attraction i have found a way to

06:19:27.400 universalize female attraction so that a man when he goes on three dates with a chick and then she

06:19:34.200 suddenly blows him off he's not wondering what did i do wrong he actually has tangible feedback

06:19:40.600 that he can look at and say okay this is probably why i keep getting blown off by women

06:19:46.840 that i'm into that's what sets me apart and i'm literally i'm quantifying it that way there is no

06:19:52.680 there's no mystery i mean it's just like step one step two step three you think sets you apart it

06:19:57.560 just sounds like exactly what what uh what most of the dating coaches say they give you real-time

06:20:03.160 feedback and what it is that you're doing wrong they're going to be there to support you with

06:20:06.520 that feedback and they quantify it they're able to tell you that you're a 27.5 out of 50 in the eyes

06:20:13.480 of women that you want to attract and here's what you need to do in order to become a 40. well i think

06:20:18.040 they use maybe different scales but they come up with bs yeah we're all we're all rebranding what do

06:20:22.680 you guys i mean what sets this podcast apart from other podcasts it's it's it's the nuances it's the

06:20:28.200 the branding it's i mean we're all doing this we're all selling the same shit we're just we're

06:20:33.880 the podcast we're rebranding it and some of us are better than others answer your question i

06:20:37.800 answer okay go for it what sets this podcast apart from other podcasts is me and i am so

06:20:43.080 fucking awesome and such a force of nature that every other podcast on planet earth would love to

06:20:49.880 have me come on and co-host i promise you and i just don't i just hang my head that's what sets it

06:20:56.120 apart right is that me now look me i set it apart a personality of one

06:21:04.280 okay i mean yeah cool but in my opinion it's a joke it's a joke yeah no i got that i got that

06:21:12.680 i'm not upset by the way i think what you're asking are fair questions because i think that

06:21:16.280 for the men watching if in their mind they are skeptical that is totally fair and if they want

06:21:22.520 a reasonable explanation explanation i am giving you my version of that which is that i have found

06:21:30.760 a very big problem that exists in society and i have been able to successfully solve it for enough

06:21:36.760 people that make that makes me feel confident to continue doing it i mean that's pretty much it

06:21:43.240 well i don't know enough 80 percent of businesses 80 80 percent of businesses fail in the first

06:21:48.200 five years and i've stayed afloat and i continue to grow and i think the reason why i continue to grow

06:21:54.040 about your personal business uh like your actual business to make a a good compelling argument i mean

06:21:59.720 you can look at the number you can look at my following you can look at my yeah yeah i mean

06:22:03.640 tons of these guys have huge followings right but i understand that but that's a marker of success

06:22:08.520 just listen listen listen listen relax i don't know enough about your actual business to make

06:22:16.760 the assertion one way or the other all i can do is ask the questions right and say hey um it doesn't

06:22:23.720 seem to me like there's any kind of light bulb moment here that's all i'm saying well let me ask

06:22:28.200 you this how would you define success is it that is it my revenue is it the amount of men i've helped

06:22:36.520 is it my ig following what what is your what is your definition of success my definition of success

06:22:45.400 my definition of a dating coach's dating coach's success yeah so i mean like what would you have

06:22:51.720 to see for you to be like cool that's different or that's better or superior yeah so so what i would

06:22:59.720 do if i was a dating coach if i was going to set myself apart is i would have not just a program

06:23:06.040 because all of them seem to have a program but i would be able to map out some type of

06:23:10.520 roadmap that nobody else has an actual roadmap and say there's this thing this ding this light bulb that

06:23:17.880 then goes off when people hear it uh same thing with rhetoric if you can form rhetoric in such a way

06:23:23.320 where you can break it down to the point where people can understand it very quickly right that

06:23:27.960 would be something that would be very successful for a debater for instance okay so a roadmap in other

06:23:33.320 words here's step one step two step three step four step five right yeah but i would have that

06:23:38.040 something i can give you that made that light bulb go off that's yeah i'm saying well i can't i can't

06:23:43.480 guarantee that your light bulb is going to go off because i don't know what your your description of

06:23:47.800 what a light bulb going off moment looks like is a little vague but i can give you a road map so

06:23:55.560 uh to me a man's journey a man who is lonely and falls within that stat that we talked about before

06:24:03.880 we hit live um which is that 60 of men in between the ages of 18 and 30 have not had sex in the last

06:24:11.640 year and it's not by choice if we were just to go by that problem that currently exists in society

06:24:17.480 here's a road map that i would give someone who falls in that category you've got to master the abcs and

06:24:23.320 the defs of dating so the abcs are approach um build desire and convert so you've got to actually

06:24:34.680 put yourself out there and meet women you've got to build desire in your interactions with them and

06:24:40.040 then you've actually got to convert that into a date because a lot of men can get phone numbers

06:24:45.400 but then they don't get a text back or they can get her ig but then she blocks them so can you

06:24:51.560 actually predictably convert the woman that you approach that's first phase of the process the

06:24:59.000 second phase of the process is def so can you deepen that connection over time evolve it in whatever

06:25:06.280 direction you want it to go whether it's one night or you want to marry her and then lastly follow

06:25:11.640 through from her can you get follow through from her abc def some men struggle with the first part

06:25:19.000 they just have a really hard time walking up to a woman and approaching her and having a conversation

06:25:23.960 that builds enough sexual tension that she actually wants to show up to a date with them

06:25:29.800 and some men are pretty good at that but they can't for the life of them figure out why they keep

06:25:35.720 getting blown off after that six week mark wherever you are on that spectrum some men are struggle with

06:25:42.440 both i give you step one step two step three step four so that you can go from i find that girl over

06:25:48.040 there hot now i'm going out with her now i'm hooking up with her now i'm marrying her if that's what you

06:25:54.760 want that is the road map wait andrew do you really want to continue on this thread i no offense it's just

06:26:00.840 not really it's kind of boring no no offense it's just kind of it was great well the rest of the

06:26:07.000 show was just riveting brian no i don't know i mean i don't know it's just you know i actually

06:26:12.520 appreciate your questions andrew thank you i got yeah well i was just i was just curious because uh

06:26:17.480 you know everybody seems to have a niche in the dating market i stay away from it what the hell do i

06:26:22.760 know about it you're married you're happily married nothing nothing i know nothing about it i don't

06:26:27.000 want to know anything about it sounds like a nightmare and i'd rather you know pull teeth out

06:26:30.600 with pliers than ever get back involved in it again but that aside i was still curious what your

06:26:37.080 what your kind of schtick was and what it is that you're actually after here and what sets you

06:26:41.880 apart it still just kind of sounds like the same stuff i hear from all the dating coaches to be

06:26:46.520 honest with you but yeah fair enough thanks morris donated 25 dollars we all love the sprinkler

06:26:53.560 goes like this

06:27:00.920 comes back like

06:27:04.920 trump 2024 glenn lawrence presence pro donated 25 dollars to the big boobies blonde will you

06:27:14.280 acknowledge that your rack is big as they are to make you appear to be in better shape than you are

06:27:19.720 you are not 10 you are 4.5 at best on your best day as vet donated 25 dollars hey brian love the show

06:27:30.120 by thwa there's a spot on one of your cameras also that humpty dumpy is coming along nicely

06:27:37.480 oh come on they're they're trying to tap into 69 you donated 25 dollars gypsy did you assist biden on

06:27:46.520 diapy change did your last country turn you into a dating coach you can't have someone teach you and

06:27:53.320 you be a teacher on a subject you either are or not that's simple glenn lawrence presence pro donated 25

06:28:02.920 to the bikini competitor what is the most important thing the day of the show once your class is called

06:28:08.520 out on stage how you answer this question will prove how well you know about bodybuilding comps

06:28:15.640 what is the most important thing when your class gets called out on stage is your stage presence is

06:28:20.920 the first thing they look at jurendi donated 25 dollars this is just the dennis system with extra steps

06:28:31.960 um yo duran thank you man oh this is a uh what's that what's that tv show called

06:28:38.520 jandex to 80 25 dollars gg's on your w brian bro we got the you can let mine sweep a go to bro

06:28:46.280 i almost had that is the goat maddie is the only 10 in many rooms

06:28:50.440 um a lot of these one of these mads um this one's uh whoever said mads i'm not going to trigger that

06:29:04.120 one it's uh a little too much a little too much a little offensive okay not going to trigger it yeah

06:29:12.440 i'm waiting most of these are now at the dating coach and she decided to get up right when we were

06:29:20.360 so i'm gonna have to wait to trigger them until she's back uh any final thoughts from the panel

06:29:24.520 before we wrap up here in a few minutes by the way guys get your last minute roasting tts you need

06:29:29.000 to roast maddie she needs a she needs to be roasted you can roast me too oh we'll also pull that up go

06:29:34.840 ahead nick pull that up can you find uh can you read it maddie can you pull up anna de armas please

06:29:44.680 she should the 10 they can all compare to to get a true number brian please put a picture of anna de

06:29:50.600 armas in there to point to and say that a 10 before or after they answered the rating but yeah have a

06:29:57.960 anna de armas all right nick why don't you google her we'll take a look thank you jesse

06:30:03.640 jesse soto appreciate it jesse thank you

06:30:18.840 i don't agree young should we do young didn't she like before and after plastic surgery yeah

06:30:25.480 that'll give you the shift she looks like the girl from cloudy with the chance of meatballs

06:30:30.360 uh okay cool i guess yeah all right there she is uh she's attractive i don't think she's at 10 but

06:30:43.560 yeah uh all right thank you jesse for that and then let me get some of the

06:30:48.120 uh sure i'll just pull this one john donated 25 dollars brian myron gains said on twitter a few

06:30:57.720 weeks back that he's down for an fnf and whatever collab is this collab happening soon

06:31:04.680 uh i sent him a dm i just sent him a nice little dm i think a couple weeks ago just

06:31:10.520 i think he gave us a little nice shout out me and injure and uh yeah i just said thank you man

06:31:15.960 uh we haven't planned anything uh nothing planned but yeah open to it i uh anyways we have uh david

06:31:24.440 here david tozekiac donated 25 dollars are the cigarettes smoking you andrew seat four do you

06:31:32.600 have a degree six foot dudes in finance come to you for advice your rate sorry to brian for roasting

06:31:40.600 too wait watchers is good we're working on jk working on it um lol paladins donated 25 dollars

06:31:50.440 sorry guys that aren't having sex i've had sex with nine different women in the past year

06:31:56.760 maybe i should start a dating biz i promise not to be as boring as this grifter you'll actually get laid

06:32:05.560 gregel donated 69 dollars how would her road map to dating success help a four feet eleven inches

06:32:12.840 confident man who women are naturally not attracted to via his height

06:32:17.240 you want me to answer it um well what else does he have going for him because kevin hart is short

06:32:25.320 as but he's got a lot of other things going for him he's got that social proof that status if you're

06:32:33.720 for if you're a 4 11 man you basically just have to date dwarves i mean legally how tall is that i think

06:32:41.000 isn't it four nine it's very small this tall it's like are you 4 11 no i don't think 4 11 counts as

06:32:47.400 dwarf yeah no if you're under five no you get a handicap locker really yes good for you uh do you have

06:32:55.000 one no as vet donated 25 maddie how does it feel having to sneak a cheek to make room for brian's

06:33:05.400 humpty dumb damn bruv boom roasted why did i don't get this dumpy thing what did you got a dump truck

06:33:17.320 back there brian that's what it is i got a donk okay uh thank you guys i think i don't know if it's

06:33:26.280 vector donated 25 dollars every time i see maddie stare at the camera it's as if she's checking me

06:33:34.120 out you're taken creep just kidding asian power i'm white btw brain you have great taste

06:33:43.560 that was like that was covert simping by the way covert simping

06:33:49.560 michigan christian donated 25 dollars women overwhelmingly voted for biden dot they don't

06:33:55.720 support liberty dot they encourage authoritarianism dot in general do you think women or men are better

06:34:01.880 at voting if men would you support repealing the 19th mr bull a donated 25 dollars this super chat is

06:34:11.480 sponsored by tactical soap try our new scent glenn's musk an aroma will make you live stream all night long

06:34:19.400 made with teak wood and glenn's yummy mojo you'll stand out like a boss

06:34:25.640 warlord 69 you woo donated 25 dollars andrew and brian king recognize king keep it up to the gypsy

06:34:34.520 welcome back was biden's diaper moist did he even remember letting you in you're not a teacher you're

06:34:41.160 a con it's a bullet donated 25 dollars dating coach i am six foot two six figures six bedroom house

06:34:51.480 work your magic red pill stuffs andrew you're the best hey thanks axel appreciate that thank you

06:34:58.040 devon jackson donated 25 dollars for a shirt you're not really retired if we can pull up a video of you

06:35:06.760 are you getting slammed today do you want to address that the fuck

06:35:18.040 you're not gonna say you want to say something i don't know what to say to that

06:35:21.880 she doesn't know what to say okay so i do i do have to ask you this one more time though i have to ask you

06:35:26.920 this how would you feel how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning oh my gosh we're

06:35:35.800 taking it back to episode one together yeah yeah how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this

06:35:43.960 morning i would feel hungry yes yes good job thank you by the way guys everything is through stream

06:35:52.360 labs we're not we're not doing uh uh uh it's it's all through stream labs guys right now we're not

06:35:59.240 doing uh supers but thank you if you send one in uh i think that's it um andrew i know you had a

06:36:07.480 question you wanted to ask i right well did you okay not you know not really i didn't really have

06:36:18.840 i didn't really have much tonight um i we didn't we didn't get into a lot of the usual stuff but um

06:36:25.720 i do appreciate the panel coming on it was uh spirited at times and uh all of you were uh i thought i

06:36:32.680 thought it was a pretty good faith exchange this is actually you know what i got a good idea for the

06:36:37.480 last five five minutes of the show i want andrew and you to have a little spirited back and forth go

06:36:46.360 ahead on what right go ahead go ahead nothing do it who's which one is you just do it

06:37:03.240 we're doing it we're going yesterday you said tomorrow so just do it make your dreams come true

06:37:13.240 just do it all right hit me some people dream of success while you're gonna wake up and work hard

06:37:21.400 at it nothing is impossible just don't go in you should get to the point anyone else would quit and

06:37:29.240 you're not gonna stop there no what are you waiting for do it okay i'll do it and i'll answer

06:37:38.680 that tts question you can be retired just like okay she's bodybuilding she's pro she can retire and

06:37:46.840 her stuff can still be out there so i guess my response would be yes i'm retired my stuff will

06:37:53.080 be out there and i'll probably be out there until i pay to get it donated 25 dollars for the love of

06:37:58.040 god google a sh cash she is objectively a nine tenths i just googled her she's hot two different color

06:38:05.640 eyes she's just kind of just kidding also and if you watch it if you watch it leave a thumbs up

06:38:10.600 and a comment thank you very much okay uh okay

06:38:16.200 okay why one thousand one hundred and eighty twenty five dollars go subscribe to tyak and josie at josie

06:38:29.640 did somebody fart i'm sorry i just no wait hold on okay i have a question um what year was world war one

06:38:40.360 starting with you i'm not a history buff i'm sorry can you question real quick who's the vice

06:38:54.200 president of the united states right now yeah right now right now i believe it is kamala harris

06:39:02.520 no you got it good job wait okay okay fine i'm gonna be a goblin five five minutes of these

06:39:09.000 questions who's the primary victim of war men or women go ahead men men

06:39:18.200 i mean men right i don't know you're right here i don't know okay

06:39:24.200 men wait the primary victim of what war oh men

06:39:27.880 not because we're killed i guess man i guess man uh let's see um can you be sexist towards men

06:39:37.160 yes um yeah i don't what did you say last time i don't understand can you be sexist towards men and

06:39:44.440 are you and are you uh i believe so you can be okay yes yeah yes definitely yeah yes see all right

06:39:56.680 andrew asked me to ask this can you be racist towards white people

06:40:02.360 i mean what is it called um

06:40:06.120 what is it definitely prejudice you can be prejudiced is that the word for

06:40:11.560 you can't be racist though i don't know i i feel like that's really hot hot hot hot hot and i don't

06:40:20.520 want to be in the hot seat for that you're in the hot seat you're in the hot seat i would have i mean

06:40:24.280 like i think that i would need to google the definition of the racism but i feel like there's

06:40:30.040 prejudice like i would um okay well let's well here so i'll give you an easy uh example of racism

06:40:38.040 being prejudiced towards a person based on their race how's that does that does that work yes yeah

06:40:47.080 yeah okay so okay so by that definition of being prejudiced towards someone based

06:40:51.880 only on their race can people be racist towards white people yes okay

06:40:59.800 are we going around the panel for this one yeah that's what we're doing

06:41:02.280 okay okay vocalize you gotta vocalize you gotta you gotta use your words

06:41:15.240 yeah sure i i don't know that didn't seem very enthusiastic tell us how you really feel

06:41:22.200 i'm good no go ahead tell us how you really feel i mean uh

06:41:35.800 yeah i guess you could i guess the degree there's so much different races experience it is completely

06:41:43.640 different so someone may experience it to a certain degree and someone else might experience to a very

06:41:49.320 very severe degree but in what in what sense can it really make you feel like so much lower than

06:41:55.880 another race like you're when you're being racist you're trying to prove that your race is better

06:42:01.480 than another race technically right so what could i say about a white person to try to degrade them

06:42:08.680 and make them feel less than more than what they've already done to other people

06:42:13.080 crickets i mean i'm trying to actually understand the question i thought that you were going to keep

06:42:23.720 on going oh no i wasn't i didn't want to start on it in the first place oh well i don't i don't know

06:42:31.480 is are you are you saying that you don't think then that uh that black people can be racist towards white

06:42:36.840 people um they they can they can be sure oh well then i guess she answered your own question yeah sure

06:42:46.680 i guess

06:42:50.440 what am i gonna call no i don't want to do it do it go ahead and ask go ahead and ask her

06:42:55.240 i don't want to do it you can't make me do it i know you want to we know you want to

06:43:01.880 wait do you think what uh white people have culture how about that is that easier for you to bite on

06:43:06.040 yeah okay yeah no karen right that's okay uh i guess we'll finish up going around the table on the

06:43:16.920 other one same question the braces towards white people one yeah absolutely

06:43:25.080 what you got morgan i don't know i don't really like what is the definition of race is being

06:43:31.320 prejudice to somebody oh sorry being prejudice is the definition of racist no just being let's just

06:43:37.880 say being prejudiced towards somebody based on their race okay uh yes i think yes word yes sure

06:43:51.320 bro well it's just because because what tell us tell us what you know just i mean

06:43:57.160 in a vague sense yes you can be hateful towards a specific grace i think it goes back to what about

06:44:05.960 in a precise way i'm not gonna well no you said in a vague way in a vague way you can but can isn't the

06:44:14.760 sin the opposite of vague is precise yeah what would be so what would be a precise way in which

06:44:21.640 you could be racist to a white person oh um i'm like is i feel like andrew this is a dating podcast

06:44:30.440 sir how dare you i'm sorry i'm sorry i know i always bring this in gosh

06:44:38.680 is actually matt madison also kind of like elbow checked me okay anyways um oh we got a bunch of

06:44:46.360 okay guys we got a bunch coming through we'll get through these and we're gonna wrap the show

06:44:49.640 so so hold on let me just read these make sure they're above the board tanker panda donated 25

06:44:58.600 first time donor been watching since gorlock's debut on whatever keep it up brian and andrew keep

06:45:06.360 these 304s in check also maddie are you harman it's not harman devon jackson donated 25

06:45:15.240 dollars bodybuilding and taking copious wood are two different things if her son saw a video of

06:45:22.040 her bodybuilding competition it's she used to be a bodybuilder but for you itdbi just saw my mom get

06:45:28.280 worked morris donated 25 dollars racism is a form of prejudice all right thank you morris appreciate

06:45:38.840 it bro thank you thank you appreciate it guys got a couple more coming through here

06:45:48.360 oh maddie can you read it panel has already checked out as shown by their blank stairs w andrew on

06:45:52.280 ragnar's wife i'm not into blondes usually but she's not only hot but also badass great show all around

06:45:59.640 tanker panda donated 28 i can finally afford to donate for a tts question for the panel what was

06:46:08.680 your biggest mistake you've ever made in a relationship oh yeah yeah that's for maddie

06:46:17.960 biggest mistake ever made in a relationship just being too awesome you know like i was dating this

06:46:23.320 chick right and i was just too cool i was too great and treated her too good

06:46:31.400 that'll do it it's definitely the worst thing you could do it's like you go to a job interview and

06:46:37.000 it's like what is your weakness it's like too committed to my work not being able to say no i don't know

06:46:46.200 no nobody has anything oh i was gonna say my biggest mistake was believing someone when they

06:46:52.840 told me that someone was just their co-worker

06:46:57.560 biggest mistake you've ever oh i know okay wait wait wait i'll tell you guys the i'll tell you a story

06:47:02.920 bro love of my life okay i was dating this girl a beauty proper beauty attractive great personality

06:47:11.880 but lower the volume please midway through our relationship blizzard entertainment announced

06:47:21.240 that they were releasing world of warcraft classic okay this is my freaking childhood right

06:47:28.840 it was like high school but whatever and i uh

06:47:35.240 i was really amped for world of warcraft classic you know i played the

06:47:39.080 shit i played vanilla i was there and that shit comes out and i'm playing that

06:47:46.040 shit a casual 10 hours a day i had four 60s i was rating on all of them i mean my two primary

06:47:53.480 i was rogue and and warrior right but like she would come over and i'd be like grinding i'd be in like

06:48:00.120 you know i was leveling up i remember one specific time i was like in zulfa rock

06:48:04.840 just like grinding on one of my characters like leveling up an alt is this english yeah but

06:48:13.400 and then i was actually on my warrior on my warrior right i wanted to rain explaining breakfast

06:48:18.440 right now you calm down yeah i was trying to rank on my warrior you know right and like

06:48:26.120 i was doing av i was doing warsong gulch i was grinding the honor

06:48:30.440 and but i was only like i got to rank 10 and it was like burnout you know and so like the crazy

06:48:36.520 thing that happened this sounds like tick tock brain videos like where they're like oh you have

06:48:41.000 a girlfriend who has tick tock rot or like brain rot this sounds like exactly like playing world of

06:48:47.400 warcraft classic was like kind of like the biggest mistake like i made in the relationship

06:48:51.320 because because you know she like she didn't like that i was playing like 12 hours a day

06:48:59.480 how did how'd you become irish by the end of that but now i don't like i quit

06:49:05.640 i don't play video games anymore i quit

06:49:09.640 i think mine was having no boundaries video games and lack of communication you just played a video game

06:49:16.280 you just played a game you just played solitaire and minecraft bro that's not game you think

06:49:20.840 solitaire is gaming trust me but i quit that shit cold turkey because dude get this shit right uh so

06:49:28.120 girlfriend broke up with me and but i played for another four months and then you drank mountain

06:49:32.360 dune non-stop didn't you no and then like but i was in i was in the heart i was in the best raiding

06:49:37.800 guild on the server we were a hardcore raiding guild we world for uh excuse me realm first clears we

06:49:45.880 were like top top 10 na north north africa north america we were top 10 na north america like

06:49:53.960 speed runs and shit molten core bwl but like it was a loot council loot system and i got screwed over

06:50:00.840 on a on a couple loot decisions and like finally i got screwed over too many times on loot and i was

06:50:07.960 a pumper i was a top parser and so finally i was just like you know what i'm done and so i just like

06:50:12.920 g quit that shit i went on all my characters i was like four different 60s like boom g quit boom g quit

06:50:19.080 boom g quit boom g quit okay these girls sorry

06:50:25.000 and then i just like left the discord server that's the only thing i recognized out of that

06:50:29.720 discord server and i never logged back in again and then i never did it again

06:50:35.560 but so i guess what i'm trying to say is you know that was my biggest mistake

06:50:43.800 freaking amen got some that's not that's nothing that's nothing brian compared to my aoc days when

06:50:50.200 i had a level 70 barb and we're rolling through fucking hyboria and we were going through all sorts

06:50:55.880 of different raids and i was taking out sin after sin after sin especially inside of the multi-purpose

06:51:03.000 combat system which was fantastic but then you know some of the problems which happened inside of

06:51:08.920 hyboria's we're moving along you can see the aoe's are just coming out of nowhere out of nowhere you

06:51:13.880 know how that goes aoe's you know how that goes yeah the aoe's the literal torture this is the

06:51:19.320 equivalent like we can all start talking about our hair and are we torturing you now are we torturing

06:51:25.640 this is quite the switch we're torturing you have to listen to our prattle now oh

06:51:30.040 shit okay um i'll let these rest come through uh wait hold on lol paladins i can't trigger it because

06:51:36.760 you used a very offensive word to white people so i can't paladins i can't trigger it i'm sorry um

06:51:46.040 just take a donated 25 dollars question for andrew why does there need to be an aha or light bulb moment

06:51:54.040 for you to accept she could be a high tier dating coach why can't her merits speak to that idea they

06:52:01.080 can there might just not be anything new inside of that field it might just be that there's no more

06:52:07.080 uh light bulb aha moments for me to look at maybe i just uh maybe i've just heard it all you know but

06:52:14.920 maybe not i don't know lol paladins donated 25 dollars only rank 10 you filthy casual yeah i broke

06:52:24.280 up with my four-year gf because i needed to hit warlord from now on you can call me warlord i just

06:52:30.520 wanted the shoulders the horde ranked 69 you donated 25 dollars the past doesn't justify being racist

06:52:39.800 towards future generations all you're doing is playing the victim card read your history get

06:52:46.600 educated wow classic calling donated 25 now's it's time to g quit this topic brian you torment your chat

06:52:56.600 enough as is sincerely a wow player now now hang on brian are you trying to do pure ponage

06:53:10.040 oh yeah like i'm yeah you know it's like i got the micro like i'm like farming but justin martin's

06:53:19.560 donated 25 dollars pineapple on pizza yay or nay nay thumbs up or thumbs down that's a thumbs down for me

06:53:29.640 morgan knows where it's at that was an enthusiastic thumbs down from desert joe donated 25

06:53:35.640 dollars fuck stream labs for censoring ass hey you know stream labs you know how they are

06:53:42.360 got it got a sensor the censorship is real bro thank you man appreciate it thank you desert joe you're a

06:53:46.760 legend sir can we say baptist christian donated 25 dollars maddie you're slouching and need to smile

06:53:55.160 more boom roasted brian you're too sexy to roast especially when you use the superior spelling of your

06:54:03.080 name you're a 10 out of 10 thank you appreciate it ego boosted thank you thank you thank you lol

06:54:09.480 paladins donated 25 dollars thank you sir mayonnaise is not offensive stop the cap

06:54:15.000 i don't like mayo to be honest i like mayo i like pesto mayo you guys like sour cream i don't like

06:54:21.000 sour cream either i hate sour cream it's good disgusting i don't know it's just uh

06:54:27.720 all right we're uh we're gonna do a twitch raid nick if you can get that going and then we're gonna

06:54:31.640 also raid andrew oh my god payo is streaming oh we have to raid payo i don't think we've uh

06:54:37.320 uh p payo can you find that nick all right guys wait maddie quick body count quick quick quick

06:54:46.600 what's your body count

06:54:51.320 you got it go ahead you've already said 800 what did you say i said gosh not 800

06:54:58.600 i'm sorry i must have misheard you heard what you wanted to hear and wait wait just go around

06:55:03.320 look just go ahead an a nine i can't remember what i said on the last pack podcast

06:55:14.280 you could give a range yeah well say like you could just say yeah like single

06:55:17.880 it's been a while since there we go i like that one it's been a while since you've been on so

06:55:24.760 is it more than last time not too many more

06:55:28.520 no no no it's cute i'm just um yeah all right you want to give it give a range though go ahead

06:55:36.120 she said single digit okay four oh no four three how many four four okay three multiply it by three

06:55:46.760 and that's the real number all right guys with that said uh we're gonna wrap up the show here gg well

06:55:51.640 played to the panel gg well played uh oh actually i'd like to end this show by seeing if we can't use this

06:55:57.240 moment as an opportunity to give you and you a call to action would you both consider stopping

06:56:05.160 sex work entirely how is she in it don't you do of right yeah she does of that right here right now

06:56:15.880 will you delete your only fans do you start paying my bills i'm good all right if i retired

06:56:22.280 no she retired from mainstream mainstream shit you know what i mean what the hell does it matter

06:56:31.640 like why would it why would you retire from one but not the like what does it matter at that it's

06:56:35.640 completely different because it's like i have more control over my own things versus when i work

06:56:41.000 with oh my god who the hell

06:56:44.200 yes he asked so it wasn't for any noble reason you just wanted to have more control basically no

06:56:50.120 it's because i entered into a monogamous relationship and that was our choice to do that

06:56:56.120 you think like taking your clothes off for dudes is still monogamy

06:56:59.560 do you know the way what did you play it again you don't know the way okay wait really quick i just

06:57:10.600 want one more time who's a 10

06:57:15.480 and then what did you rate nine yeah which one i know you're not a natural beauty but i think with the

06:57:21.960 right clothes the right look you could be very striking uh okay um where were we i forgot uh about

06:57:29.560 a wrap raid oh yo guys tell payo also tell him we need to get him on the podcast okay okay so uh gg

06:57:38.600 well played to the panel so no you won't consider stopping um i mean i do it for fun it's a kink of

06:57:43.720 mine so it's one thing i do in a web of many many things so yeah it's just passive just thought that

06:57:51.720 and not you don't do it for money i mean that that's a benefit of it but it's not my main source

06:57:58.680 of income so okay would you still do it if you didn't make any money i mean no would anybody do

06:58:04.040 anything it's for well yeah they would if it was just a kink of theirs yeah i mean i'll do it behind i

06:58:09.800 the kink is recording myself so like it's considered exhibitionist being watched so

06:58:18.520 if i'm the point is to give it out and if they're going to pay for it yeah so yeah i would think you

06:58:24.840 would do that for free whether somebody paid you for it or not right but if there's an opportunity

06:58:28.760 to get paid for it like would you debate for free or do you get you monetize your debates

06:58:34.920 yeah i debated for free for years what do you mean i don't debate right but you

06:58:39.960 would monetize it if you could so capitalize on something that you can capitalize on

06:58:46.440 yeah no i i get it but in this particular case what i'm asking you is

06:58:51.320 if you weren't getting paid for it would you do it the answer the question to ask me is hang on hang

06:58:56.440 on the question asked to me is if you weren't getting paid to debate would you do it my answer

06:59:00.440 yes your answer no your answer was no your answer was no i would not do it if i wasn't getting paid

06:59:07.080 okay yeah so then that doesn't make any sense right because if it's just a kink then why wouldn't you

06:59:13.000 still do it even if you weren't getting i mean that's before i had the opportunity to do it i

06:59:18.920 still recorded myself doing it so there was a point in time where i recorded myself

06:59:25.320 so then you would do only fans for free i didn't say only fans i said record myself but i'm very

06:59:31.560 checked out so we can end the podcast here so i'm not up for any more debates but thank you for your

06:59:37.640 concern there well i mean it wasn't a concern it was uh you know an inquiry i don't even feel like

06:59:44.920 like we really even debated very much honestly i haven't said much tonight

06:59:55.640 good talk good talk um where was i i think i was uh yeah yeah okay so uh gg well played to the

07:00:04.680 panel last call hit the like button please on your way out let me hit these last two chats here hold on

07:00:09.720 why 1100 donated 25 dollars brian wtf are you doing bring josie and lassad back on

07:00:20.520 let's fucking go do it yeah but josie's so annoying and she has that stupid accent black

07:00:27.320 donated 25 dollars that blonde shorty and pink got then huge tetas you can feed a bunch of jits with

07:00:33.880 those tangs she can knock out a mofo out with those busters all right thank you man appreciate

07:00:41.800 the black balls thank you bro black balls what a great name okay all right guys thank you for tuning

07:00:49.640 in tonight you could've been anywhere in the world but you're here with me i appreciate that i do also

07:00:53.880 just want to say rugby is better than soccer thanks to everyone who super chats sorry morgan

07:00:58.920 super chats donates and supports the show we will be live again sun uh sunday no actually we might

07:01:04.840 we're doing a live stream fourth of july live stream we have we don't know it could be trash it could be

07:01:11.960 good uh that's gonna be maddie we're gonna be on the streets probably who knows i i don't know it's

07:01:19.480 gonna be a mystery it i i don't know if it's gonna be twitch exclusive it might be twitch exclusive

07:01:24.680 we might do it on youtube we don't know but uh be sure to just kind of keep tabs on that

07:01:29.880 we so dating talk will be live again sunday at 5 p.m pacific we have the great my caucasian

07:01:34.840 andrew wilson in studio i or wait maybe in studio maybe maybe we're figuring it out but it's not the

07:01:42.040 week after yet yeah uh possibly in studio maybe who knows when it's it could be uh in a couple i don't

07:01:49.480 want you know you never know anyways any girls who want to be on the show dm out whatever on instagram

07:01:53.720 if you can make it to san barbara uh thanks again guys thank you uh okay i'm just going to

07:01:58.760 sorry maddie maddie's huge head donated 25 dollars number rate at 18 forever number rate at 18 forever

07:02:08.280 number rate at 18 forever number rate at 18 okay thank you man appreciate it thank you thank you we

07:02:14.280 do have to wrap up though otherwise i would have just let that go on so we need to raid payo nick if you

07:02:20.120 can get payo going here okay i'm going to start that thank you guys for watching on twitch oh wait

07:02:25.400 we got it uh wait go to the twitch tab first oh wait it's too late actually it's not too late go to

07:02:30.760 the twitch tab nick first our twitch tab really quick okay guys if you're on twitch quickly really

07:02:37.400 quick before i do the raid drop us a follow on the prime sub if you have one twitch.tv slash whatever

07:02:42.200 drop us a follow drop us a prime sub guys it's been an hour since our last prime i think it's bugged

07:02:46.280 boys drop us a prime sub i think it's bugged i don't know what's going on on twitch i'm very

07:02:50.920 concerned i'm very worried we might have got hacked i don't know what's going on drop us a prime sub

07:02:55.240 boys if you have amazon prime like i said you can link it super super easy we're doing exclusive

07:03:00.360 streams on twitch yo flex thank you for the prime man uh exclusive streams on twitch maddie's been

07:03:06.200 doing some solo streams so be sure to check those out uh anyways back to payo we're going to do

07:03:11.480 rate thank you guys for watching on twitch really appreciate it guys trying to build our uh viewership over

07:03:15.640 there too all right we're going to raid payo thank you guys for watching on twitch i'm going to send

07:03:20.120 the raid now thank you guys okay so he's in tenaris grinding the south sea uh the south sea pirates

07:03:32.920 he's leveling up i think he's this is sod is this sod or no this is fresh

07:03:38.440 oh my gosh yo don't do that man i cannot talk and he's he's french canadian tell him he needs we

07:03:48.200 need this guy on the show yo bro you like you called me you called me the worst stream possible

07:03:57.080 i cannot i cannot talk too much because i want i don't want to trigger my neighbors you know when

07:04:12.440 it's three in the morning but and i'm stoned so uh guys can i can uh can i have some progress in the

07:04:19.560 chat whatever thank you so much for the raid i really appreciate that my little man guys if you

07:04:23.800 want to see an amazing uh caster not a caster but uh a show and uh an amazing uh what is it you know

07:04:32.600 dude i swear to god i i used to watch this guy like this guy sounds like happy with you he was doing

07:04:38.120 some uh not me what is the name of it you know the the camel toe nice camel toe and the girl is like what

07:04:49.080 the hell but there's like a real camel in the back she's like what and she's like oh okay

07:04:55.240 okay you never seen that okay let's let's watch it you never see that he's having so much fun

07:05:06.600 wait you've never seen it he's fine he's funny he's fun to watch yo this yo dude he's uh plays

07:05:11.880 world of fun i used to watch all these how do we call that it's not a meme it's like uh what is it

07:05:16.680 but yo thank you so much whatever i really appreciate guys if i'm gonna make you a shout out are you there

07:05:20.840 dude sorry man guys if you want to see a really nice guy that is a legend i'm gonna show a video

07:05:25.960 about him uh go see whatever is a super nice guy i might go that's nice thank you pay i appreciate it

07:05:32.040 i might go to uh one of your show but i don't think i have what it takes not yet tell him guys tell him

07:05:39.880 we need him on the show you guys ready the guy that i'm with that was doing what we watch it's him okay

07:05:46.440 it's whatever i want to eat whatever he's on right he said he took an animal wait oh yeah

07:05:55.240 sorry all right thank you so much

07:06:02.040 all right all right well we'll let him watch he's showing oh here just put it back really quick i

07:06:06.600 guys but it's so dumb what idea is you bring a camel there it's so wait you never seen that man

07:06:16.360 all right thank you bro play it bro play that shit whoa your camel toe is huge yeah thank you so much sir

07:06:23.560 it's

07:06:33.480 like it's quite lovely it's a typical german camel

07:06:37.880 all right we get the idea all right cool cool cool you can close that out okay all right he's

07:06:47.320 having a good time he's he's um he's lit so uh oh wait we got hold on morris donated 25

07:06:57.320 get hawk to you a girl on also brian do a whatever tour and do the podcast on stage

07:07:02.600 uh i reached out to her she finally kind of went public we're gonna try to get it on the scorcher

07:07:10.840 donated 26 dollars brian plaza get more guys on the pod or at least some ppa that give push back

07:07:17.880 like andrew these pods been kind of boring lately sorry but this chad needs more 304 age andrew's been

07:07:25.960 also it's few dark crimson okay i mean here's the problem right is that uh i don't think there's

07:07:34.840 anybody better in the game than andrew so like you saying bring somebody on andrew's like he if he was

07:07:45.880 parsing on warcraft logs he'd be in like he'd be in legendary parses

07:07:49.640 he'd be like legendary 99 percent parses like he's parsed tonight he parsed like i it was like not

07:08:00.200 it was like a 97 percent parse tonight from andrew which is still like really good but like he'd have

07:08:06.120 like really high parses he has really high parses and so right what

07:08:14.760 oh sorry sorry sorry yeah yeah yeah i don't know i'm just saying look people are like oh brian bring

07:08:23.160 on bring on people like andrew who who i don't who's who is on andrew's level really stroke stroke

07:08:34.120 stroke stroke hey first also and people are like brian uh you're not as good as andrew no

07:08:42.200 shit of course there's gonna be people that in life that are better than you at things andrew's

07:08:48.040 better than everybody so it's like you know what do you anyways okay all right cool so with that said

07:08:55.960 after that glazing i'm gonna raid andrew so you guys can uh uh i think that's everything okay that's

07:09:02.760 everything i heard your snot nose little stroke stroke stroke i heard you i see what i see what you're

07:09:08.920 doing you got to get your little jab in there didn't you she did she what happened to the goofy

07:09:13.560 glasses anyway all right the public and everybody agreed that they were too grandma so your girl's

07:09:24.840 going for contact soon and i'm still blind af they were kind of granny glasses they were a little bit

07:09:31.320 but i'm very blind yes anyways with that he's a brave and a decent man he's a pioneer it was nice

07:09:38.760 to see again i'm sure that we'll uh we'll have exchanges in the future thank you to the entire

07:09:43.720 panel well played to all of you all right guys oh seven's in the chat we are rating andrew right after

07:09:49.880 this oh matty ice seven thousand seven hundred and eighty seven donated twenty five dollars

07:09:57.480 bring on jordan peterson uh it might be possible because i do have some i do have some contacts at

07:10:03.800 the uh i guess i don't know what his relationship exactly is with the uh daily wire but i've reached

07:10:10.040 out and i mean he's a very hard guy to book uh but i think perhaps in the future that could be cool

07:10:15.560 anyways guys i got i do gotta wrap so uh oh seven's in the chat good night guys we are gonna go

07:10:20.680 uh the it should raid automatically to andrew thank you andrew for coming on guys drop him a sub when

07:10:26.200 we do the raid and uh he's getting his plaque 100k plaque soon so all right guys good night hope you

07:10:33.160 you guys have a good night and we'll see you next time good night guys

Whatever Podcast - July 03, 2024

Andrew Wilson HEATED DEBATE With Female Dating Coach？! E-GIRLS! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ｜ Dating Talk #175

Episode Stats

Length

Words per Minute

Word Count

Sentence Count

Misogynist Sentences

Hate Speech Sentences

Summary

Transcript