Whatever Podcast - Anti-Male Red Hair Feminist DESTROYED In HEATED Debate？! Tea App⧸UBER Reaction! ｜ Dating Talk #253

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00:04:49.600 i'm going to give uh i'm going to give you guys a complimentary one of you just one of you

00:04:54.380 a voluntary uh role in our our uh discord server so while we're waiting for some people to roll in

00:05:03.300 it's just uh nick could you pull it up uh stream yard the little thing yeah discord.gg slash whatever

00:05:08.440 while we're waiting for some people to roll in i'm gonna uh show you guys so go to the behind the

00:05:13.660 scenes tab nick really quick uh go it's uh right there yeah uh okay some beef with kylie we're gonna

00:05:21.800 do uh so last show this girl was like uh 50 minutes late and you know we have our meet time's 4 p.m we go 1.00

00:05:30.000 live at 5 p.m she's just way too late so had to turn her around and then she just blasted me on 1.00

00:05:36.220 instagram with messages she was she was mad at us for not letting her on the show even though she was

00:05:41.120 late uh play the the voice message she sent me i literally showed that i was coming at 441 why

00:05:49.340 didn't nobody just say don't come if you seen that i was coming at 441 and that was an hour ago why

00:05:54.760 couldn't somebody just tell me that that's absolutely on like that's crazy to me absolutely 0.98

00:06:00.600 crazy like i've been showed this and nobody said anything until now so i get here it's fucking 0.98

00:06:06.420 crazy absolutely not no and then going back home is 250 fucking dollars like so all together i spent 0.99

00:06:14.300 about 300 and something dollars to come out here and y'all yeah never again never again um so the 0.98

00:06:23.400 at 4 p.m she messages us mind you that's like the chaotic moment where we're bringing in all the guests

00:06:29.560 uh it's really low on my priority list of responding to people on instagram telling when

00:06:36.540 they tell me they're going to be uh egregiously late when i'm already like interfacing with all

00:06:42.780 the guests that are already coming so she she messaged us 4 p.m hey i'm gonna be 40 50 minutes 0.81

00:06:48.460 late whatever so anyways that was behind the scenes i post shit like that pull it back up really quick 0.81

00:06:53.140 though let's let's reward somebody a uh all right who do we have and also guys i post hate mail 0.94

00:06:58.920 i get legal threats i post those i post um wall of haters when people are hating uh oh somebody

00:07:05.760 boosted the server thank you man all right who gets it let's see who gets a complimentary

00:07:11.920 who's gonna get the compliment uh pull up the discord.gg slash whatever in the stream yard real

00:07:18.240 quick yeah pull it up all right who's gonna get it uh let's see hmm who's got a cool name we'll just

00:07:25.400 do it like that uh you know give it to who's gonna get it guys we'll give you another 20 seconds

00:07:34.140 20 seconds uh who's gonna get it scroll up i don't want to like screw people over who did it like

00:07:40.540 two minutes ago let's see if there's who's gonna get it who's shave your arms

00:07:45.960 uh wait at who uh that's a good question who's gonna get it who's gonna get it scroll back down

00:07:56.360 you know what shave your arms get wait no hold on hold on scroll down let me see who else that was

00:08:02.080 cold

00:08:02.640 you know what's going to get it who's gonna get it like 10 years maybe it's me uh you win

00:08:15.180 let's see who's gonna get the free roll scroll back up scroll back up let's see

00:08:22.560 all right eric gets it eric valhalla you see that one all right give him the roll

00:08:28.560 uh scroll down yeah just give him a recruit he's a recruit there we go perfect all right

00:08:37.460 welcome to the uh discord man appreciate it thank you eric uh we'll do that again appreciate thank

00:08:42.060 you guys anyways uh let's see what else do we have yeah that's pretty much it okay disclaimer the

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00:08:51.460 further ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age

00:08:56.060 occupation where you're from education go ahead okay uh bailey um you had to um you forgot your name

00:09:06.940 yeah okay uh i'm anxious no it's all good age uh 25 what do you do for work i'm in school right now

00:09:15.100 for nursing okay do you have a associate i have a bachelor's already so i'm in art oh in art okay

00:09:23.360 yeah and then i'm taking uh sculpture sculpture yeah why didn't you bring gifts you should i did

00:09:30.620 i i brought jewelry i don't think you sculpt jewelry yeah isn't that like a different i had to figure

00:09:36.860 out how to make it work during covet okay so you got you have a bachelor's degree in art

00:09:42.820 in sculpture sculpture yeah have you ever what do you sculpt uh i make i do hand sculpting so like

00:09:51.400 i have like a dragon head a wolf head oh okay like i don't i don't throw you chisel do you know how

00:09:57.980 to chisel not i mean i could figure it out you don't teach chiseling i i tried welding i tried

00:10:05.180 so do you use your hands yeah i use my hands a lot what university did you go to for that university

00:10:11.180 of washington university of washington yeah i'm from are there multiple u dub it's like the big

00:10:18.440 school there there's basically u dub and then wsu gotcha on the east side and i went to the seattle

00:10:26.020 but there's not like different like for example with the university of california there's uh there's

00:10:30.960 like san diego los ucla los angeles uc berkeley so there's just one uh there is different campuses

00:10:39.160 for u dub okay but like i went to the bougie one you went to the good one yeah i went to the good

00:10:44.180 one now you're working in or you're you're uh and now i'm going back to school again for nursing

00:10:49.560 gotcha okay where you and you're from where um from seattle originally okay all right in

00:10:55.020 jacksonville right now mississippi florida is there a jacksonville in jacksonville florida

00:11:00.920 northern florida that one okay what about you uh my name is isabella i'm 19 i am currently a college

00:11:09.500 teacher's assistant and i'm studying biology all right and are you from the area or where are you

00:11:16.660 from uh from los angeles county from los angeles okay and sorry did you say what you're studying

00:11:21.940 i might miss biology biology got it what about you my name is jackie and i do my own only fans but i

00:11:29.860 also manage other people's social media and i'm from seattle and i'm 26 uh any schooling or anything

00:11:39.520 like that no i sucked at school you have your high school diploma yeah yeah i have that did you go to 0.75

00:11:47.300 like city college or anything like that or no okay just started working gotcha yeah just started

00:11:52.420 working all right what do you and how long have you been doing of um since i was like 19 or 20

00:11:58.540 it's like six or seven years okay any other kind of s work like stripping or anything like that no

00:12:05.580 stripping i wish i had the skills sugar baby i mean stuff i wish no okay so just the of yeah i just do

00:12:16.760 my own and i manage other people's okay what about you um i'm asia i'm 27 i am a hairstylist

00:12:25.100 i am from the bay area but i live in los angeles now hairstylist how long you've been doing that

00:12:31.740 i have four years now gotcha so and you said you're from the bay area but now you live in la

00:12:38.520 yeah any school university college um i graduated from csu east bay in 2020 and uh was it what did

00:12:47.880 you get your degree in sociology gotcha you got a bachelor's degree in soc yeah okay uh and how long

00:12:54.700 ago so are you 2020 is when you graduated yeah okay and uh what were some of the classes that you

00:13:00.660 uh had to take under you forgot obviously i'm not using my degree sociology sociology i took a child

00:13:11.640 development class um english history regular stuff so you took you took like some sociology

00:13:20.860 yeah and you had to take like like gender studies did you have to do any gender studies stuff or 0.74

00:13:25.780 not that i remember taking i just there was like different history classes that you had to take for

00:13:31.820 specific topics but i took like filipino history philip okay so you're vietnamese okay yeah

00:13:38.700 no no you're filipino and uh let's see can you tell me what's like the one thing that you learned

00:13:49.100 through your sociology major i honestly a lot of the things that i remember like childhood development

00:13:58.880 stuff um but like a lot of our trauma does bleed into your adulthood and things like that but sociology

00:14:06.480 i just remember watching a lot of black mirror to be honest we studied episodes for a class you

00:14:15.140 guys watched black mirror and your soc class that's great for um for different types of lessons

00:14:21.840 depending on the episode okay yeah like so what was the what was the takeaway from the black mirror

00:14:27.760 episodes like there was this one episode where each person had a rating and so it was kind of like

00:14:34.360 a study of how people treat you by the way you're rated oh like the social credit i think i know the

00:14:43.500 episode you're talking about yeah black mirror has been out for a while yeah exactly it was the woman

00:14:47.740 right like the blonde woman and her her score was and then someone like ranked her down or something 1.00

00:14:54.100 like she was like top notch and then someone was like oh forget this lady and ranked her down 1.00

00:14:58.500 and then she started getting treated less than because her rank was going down was there any like

00:15:03.680 socio sociological thing that that you learned that you could bestow upon us from your education

00:15:13.380 i'm a hairstylist now um yeah but you got your degree i know

00:15:18.640 i don't know i'm a firm believer in pretty privilege and that's something i wrote a huge

00:15:28.780 paper on so they they taught about pretty privilege yeah well like in a sense yes but um i wrote they

00:15:37.560 taught about pretty pretty privilege but i also wrote an essay of like the backhand of it wait nick leave

00:15:44.620 this one's kind of funny uh isabella can you read this shout out to hot topic for allowing their

00:15:49.860 employees to be available tonight for the show all right that's funny that's a funny one we got we

00:15:54.320 got this a hot topic you guys just came from the my chemical romance concert um all right you can uh

00:16:01.780 exit out that thank you man um so okay give me give me uh give me one other thing that you learned

00:16:07.940 that that the sociology degree you know has taught you or whatever um

00:16:14.860 i guess a lot of people don't live like leave their neighborhoods when they come from

00:16:22.820 neighborhoods that are lower income because they feel like they owe it to them to like

00:16:29.500 not in a sense make it out but give back

00:16:31.880 okay um but like i'm thinking more of a like a higher level sociological principle like what are

00:16:42.020 the principles of i'm not gonna lie to you i barely went to school like i i that's why i passed my

00:16:48.700 classes i went to two commuter schools so it's like attendance was never really right but sure even

00:16:55.380 even if you never went to class but certainly to pass the class you must have learned something or

00:17:01.860 i mean i feel like i shared like three different things well okay you watch black mirror i'm

00:17:07.900 telling you this is what happened in college pretty privilege and then people who grow up in like the

00:17:13.600 hood they don't really leave the hood because they don't leave the hood yeah because they feel like

00:17:17.920 rich people leave where like like don't rich people just stay where they're at too like isn't that

00:17:27.220 just where you know what i mean yeah but that's better because they're rich yeah true why would 0.99

00:17:32.860 you want to leave rich yeah but they're okay sure but okay i feel like i could just see that shit on 0.92

00:17:41.100 twitter or something yeah a lot of it was just common knowledge do you feel in question you went 0.97

00:17:46.060 to a private university no it was what was the university east bay cal state east bay it was a

00:17:51.360 state school cal state okay cal state that's a good system i guess um do you uh did you have a

00:17:57.620 scholarship or no i paid out of pocket just curious how much total was it are you still paying your

00:18:03.580 student debt or um sugar daddy yeah no i don't have a sugar daddy okay um when i got my diploma my

00:18:11.520 student loans were at i think 24 24 000 okay do you feel like based off what you learned your degree

00:18:19.460 do you feel like and spending all that time do you feel like it was worth it honestly i did it for my

00:18:25.320 parents so my parents are from a different country like i don't like school okay so yeah my parents

00:18:31.020 wanted a degree i gave it to them that's why i went to cosmetology school okay was because that's

00:18:35.720 what i wanted to do okay so why did you pick social like so i can't say it sociology sociology

00:18:43.400 sociology sociology that if you're not going to do anything with it in your future career

00:18:49.040 um i wanted to go into social work but i wanted to work with juvenile kids and when i graduated college

00:18:54.600 i was 20 21 and so i wasn't ready yet emotionally and so my last semester of college i went to cosmetology

00:19:05.040 school and it stuck so okay so you were basically you weren't taking it super seriously no all right

00:19:11.700 gotcha so it sounds like it was kind of a waste i mean like i could go back for my master's but i

00:19:19.060 don't choose to like i like hair stylist yeah i like being a hair stylist okay uh really quick guys

00:19:24.280 we're gonna uh nick pull up the shop.whatever.com gonna shout a couple people out because we have

00:19:29.480 some people who purchased uh yeah yeah yeah that's fine uh bean boy thing for the purchase of a 0.99

00:19:36.920 shirt it looks like thank you thank you and then uh shave your arms what the fuck how did i not win 0.98

00:19:44.660 he also bought himself a t-shirt you know what you know uh maybe we gotta we gotta 0.97

00:19:50.260 pull up the plot all right you know discord all right guys discord.gg slash whatever we're gonna

00:19:56.700 hook our boy up he bought a shirt so we're gonna hook him up that's just just for shave your arms you 0.87

00:20:00.500 know just shave your arms i kind of i kind of baited him a little bit uh pull it pull it up here so we

00:20:05.540 can see it and then guys you can if you want really quick discord.gg slash whatever uh become a member

00:20:12.500 can you scroll up and try to find it i think yeah it was definitely higher up no scroll up

00:20:20.500 scroll there it is all right hook him up with a roll thank you for purchasing a shirt man uh recruits

00:20:30.560 yeah all right welcome to the discord brother thank you thank you appreciate it we have cat gpt

00:20:36.520 gifted 50 memberships thank you so much man really appreciate it and then uh thank you for 50 gifted

00:20:45.100 memberships oh my goodness guys w's in the chat for cat in the youtube chat that was very nice of her

00:20:49.820 and then did that come through the this one hold on simp pull jack thank you for the membership man

00:20:59.060 or sorry not the membership the uh the shop.whatever.com t-shirt purchase man appreciate it

00:21:04.900 all right so uh what about you uh my name is nicks i'm 19 um i'm in school right now but i also work

00:21:12.860 as a retail cashier and i'm from santa clarita california all right what are you uh studying

00:21:17.060 at school i'm studying cinematic arts at cal state long beach cinematic arts okay and then what do you

00:21:23.020 want to do after school um i want to be a producer like film producer all right cool and nicks is that

00:21:29.380 your government name or is that your uh your stage name stage name sure or your uh

00:21:37.900 your nickname is that the word your gamer tag or something yeah that was my gamer tag is that how

00:21:43.920 you like fortnight you're just no not fortnight not fortnight just when i was like a crazy

00:21:49.420 you strike me as like a uh hold on what game does she play call of duty what's that no not con

00:21:57.740 what's the con are you thinking of like animal crossing like that kind of game minecraft wait

00:22:05.900 is that the that's a game yeah that's a game building stuff yeah yeah mine minecraft minecraft

00:22:12.980 yeah the whole movie just came out that's okay that's your game attack or whatever yeah actually

00:22:18.220 i don't game but yeah that's my gamer tag okay cool yeah all right so nicks is it short for something

00:22:23.220 i just like it n-i-x y n-y-x n-y-x okay it's the y silent no that's instead of an i it's a y

00:22:33.840 because i like that better like is it short for nikki oh no it's just nicks that's your actual like

00:22:39.100 government name legal name or it's not it's not it's cute okay i'm gonna call you nikita i guess

00:22:48.160 for the like like dragon i'll call you to dragon what about you i'm emily i'm 22 i'm a coach and

00:22:54.420 i'm about to complete my degree at loyola for psychology all right cool and uh where are you

00:22:59.900 from oh i'm from orange california all right welcome back what about you i'm keely i'm 35 i'm from

00:23:07.880 snohomish county washington and unemployed um out of corporate of america uh currently in school for

00:23:16.700 bachelor's in finance gotcha okay any uh you have a bachelor's in finance or sorry you're yeah

00:23:24.400 currently in school for you're working on it that's what i meant yeah all right what about you

00:23:28.120 hi my name is pos i am 22 years old um i grew up in santa barbara and i'm currently not

00:23:37.620 really in school but i do take courses at a dental school i work in dental as an rda

00:23:44.400 okay and uh any work any job anything like that i thought i just said it oh

00:23:52.660 um i work as an rda at a dental office okay gotcha i thought that was like a component of the schooling

00:24:00.320 that you're you're doing that that's okay and do you have an associate's degree or anything like

00:24:05.120 that um yeah i um so i actually didn't finish my last year of of college but i did finish with um

00:24:14.400 my um it was i guess like a degree in math and architectural engineering not that i'm doing

00:24:22.260 anything with it rock and roll cool that's real uh all right we have thank you a syrian michelle

00:24:28.820 for the uh did it not come up or just like comes up very briefly thank you for the uh merch purchase

00:24:35.580 really appreciate it thank you thank you that's shop.whatever.com guys if you want to get your

00:24:40.000 own t-shirt hoodie whatever all right going around the table once more what is your current relationship

00:24:45.900 status if you're single how long have you been single and longest relationship um i'm single

00:24:52.620 i've been single for a little over a year and then longest relationship is four years

00:25:00.740 is that the one that ended a year ago no that was two years that one was two years okay yeah so i've

00:25:08.540 only had two serious relationships one was four years one was two years gotcha the most recent one

00:25:13.280 the two-year one who broke up with who he broke up with me okay the four-year one who broke up with

00:25:18.700 who uh it was mutual okay the most recent one why did he break up with you uh i wanted kids and he did

00:25:25.100 not so that was not a compromisable like you can't compromise on that yeah so was it he didn't want

00:25:34.040 kids at the moment no he didn't want them point blank okay and i wanted them gotcha like i knew that

00:25:40.380 was like a calling for me so okay i was like all right what about you uh i'm taken and i've been in

00:25:47.580 the relationship for a year in seven months all right is this your longest relationship um yeah

00:25:55.540 all right did you guys meet at a rave or where did you guys meet met at school actually oh in school

00:26:03.880 okay you guys had like a class together or oh we were just in the same friend group for a while

00:26:08.720 and then gotcha cool what about you um i've been single for four years and my longest relationship

00:26:15.560 was four years all right and then uh the one that ended four years ago was that the four-year one i

00:26:23.300 mostly broke up with him yeah sorry it was a four-year one yeah yeah yeah and you broke up with him

00:26:28.880 yeah okay and you said you've been doing of for six seven years yeah um is it solo content boy girl

00:26:36.620 content mix of both okay had you done content with your previous ex no it was solo before we broke up

00:26:44.540 then you started doing boy yeah i lived in miami for a little bit and oh in miami okay yeah i did a

00:26:50.440 little bit of not just jason love no no jason love no jason love okay just jackie love

00:26:56.440 jackie oh you jackie oh got it got it okay and i think nobody else here does of right nobody else

00:27:08.320 okay just you have you no have you dabbled nope any dabblers nope no dabblers nix any dabbling why me

00:27:16.500 no no dabbling anybody pass dabbled so i'm not like who'd you hear no dabbled okay

00:27:23.940 cool all right uh and do you have any kids i do have a son okay just one kid yeah and that's from

00:27:35.380 your four-year relationship no okay uh from your what

00:27:39.660 from just like a hookup oh okay tell you about to be like virgin mary

00:27:46.860 no no sorry um just from a hookup yep was it uh how old's your kid seven months old oh okay so

00:27:58.000 this is pretty recent um so the hookup yeah that's good was it like a one one night stand or it's the

00:28:07.820 one i know but yeah you knew him but it was like the only time he was a co-worker when i bartended

00:28:13.280 yeah he was a bartender he was security at my casino i bartended at okay so you guys knew each

00:28:20.420 other from work uh but you guys only had hooked up once yeah and i never wanted to do it again

00:28:25.640 and then i found out i was pregnant so oh was it why didn't you want to do it again because it 0.72

00:28:30.520 wasn't good the what did you do wrong it was just you did there's no chemistry there was just no

00:28:37.980 chemistry huh there was no chemistry no chemistry yeah oh that's just my go-to i was i always blame

00:28:44.100 the woman what i do wrong there's no chemistry it's like mutual what's that he wanted to do it again

00:28:49.480 but i didn't chemistry you know um question for you during once you found out you're pregnant which 1.00

00:28:55.580 was how soon after the hookup like a couple weeks after like a month month and a half okay um while

00:29:02.900 you were pregnant were you dating anybody no it's totally single no uh how about when i say date i use

00:29:09.960 it pretty loosely like not you're not in a relationship but just it could be casual sneaky link hookup

00:29:16.940 not really no not really so a little a little no i mean like it's like i wasn't hooking up with

00:29:23.680 anyone i really wasn't talking to anyone i was pretty much focusing on myself i flirt for fun like

00:29:29.340 but i wasn't hanging out with anyone you were celibate throughout the course of the pregnancy

00:29:33.640 yeah i feel like that's it really like that's free birth control for nine months like you threw that

00:29:39.020 away like you can't you can't get pregnant but like how do i hit someone up like i'm pregnant let's 0.82

00:29:44.780 hook up like that's so weird like people are into it to be fair well yeah i could have made a lot of

00:29:49.380 money but i'm just not out there like that capitalize on that one i should have i know i know

00:29:54.620 business now you know for next time next my next baby yeah yeah my next baby 0.87

00:30:00.140 okay um yeah i don't know that's shit any more questions so was it weird when you saw him at work 0.95

00:30:09.780 like hey baby i avoided him okay is he in the picture no you have full custody yeah does he pay you 0.97

00:30:17.660 child support no have you because he made threats towards me so what do you mean what kind of

00:30:22.580 threats he basically said he would steal my kids so oh the state was like not included who makes more

00:30:30.360 you or him me okay i'm the breadwinner maybe he should have gone for child support well he should

00:30:38.940 have made he should not have made threats he would have had to take care of the child though

00:30:43.580 right wait hold on he's going for child support like no so he made he doesn't want to be in the

00:30:48.940 kid's life he he wants me to not be in the kid's life he wants to steal him because i do like only

00:30:55.720 fans and stuff he thinks i'm not a good mom oh is there wait is there a current custody dispute

00:31:01.340 no the state won't even bring him into it because they literally like he's made threats towards

00:31:07.880 stealing the kid my baby like he's he's from his own words said i'm gonna steal the kid he said or 0.56

00:31:15.780 has he said something along the lines of as the biological and legal father i have certain rights to

00:31:21.620 see my child no i wanted him to see him okay like i encourage that he said literally like you don't have a

00:31:28.760 real job like you don't have a real home because like i have roommates i don't have my own house

00:31:34.640 does does he have any of that or he lives with his parents so that makes no sense but yeah so yeah so

00:31:43.000 literally he was like we're like if i see him i'm gonna take him and i was like okay we're not doing

00:31:49.840 that good times awesome times like it's but he's never met the kid then he has met oh he's met the kid

00:31:57.140 yeah okay does he do visitation or he doesn't have any any rights because of those threats

00:32:03.140 oh so this was adjudicated in court yeah okay where is your son right now he's at home with my aunt

00:32:12.020 in washington she's visiting from arizona so and that's interesting though so you have you have 100

00:32:20.340 custody i don't get much time so i'm really making use of this and there's not there's not an award of

00:32:28.500 child support no because of his like they don't even want to contact him like through social security

00:32:34.180 because like okay yeah good times good times uh any guys any guys in the picture currently

00:32:40.900 kind of but not really that sounds like a yes how many there's someone i like but that's it do you

00:32:50.340 have side pieces no no side pieces no i don't even answer messages like sure uh all right what about

00:32:59.300 you relationship status single single and i've been single since your sociology degree pretty 2020

00:33:07.540 yeah yes actually so five years yeah single okay longest relationship three years three years okay

00:33:16.580 was that the one that ended five years ago who broke up with who um it was really toxic so it was just

00:33:22.900 we broke up multiple times what what did you do that was toxic um i didn't do anything oh yeah

00:33:29.060 okay you were were you perfect no i wasn't what did you do give us tell me three things you did

00:33:35.060 wrong the three things i did wrong yeah three things i allowed him to hit me wait hold on so then

00:33:45.540 so i stuck around for too long i did that wrong and um i didn't walk away soon enough

00:33:56.660 wait so okay you let him hit you what was the second one yeah i mean when you get hit you should

00:34:06.020 leave the first time so that's wrong but we think it's not gonna happen let's say but i'm asking more

00:34:12.020 so from in terms of the relationship dynamic uh i wouldn't say that like you getting hit that's not

00:34:19.140 you doing something wrong perhaps like retrospectively it was a mistake that you didn't leave sooner but i

00:34:24.660 don't think you didn't do anything wrong in the relationship if that makes sense but i'm looking

00:34:28.980 for a couple times okay yeah yeah there you go but it was provoked oh okay he provoked yeah um i hit

00:34:35.780 him back that's what ended all of it did you ever hit him back the last time yeah the last time like 0.99

00:34:42.340 that was that was when it ended but i never did you choke a bitch no i did not is wayne brady gonna have 1.00

00:34:50.660 the choke a bitch okay how did you hit him was it no i beat his ass oh you beat his ass yeah is he 1.00

00:34:59.060 what uh was it the white guy oh um he was hispanic hispanic guy okay uh so you beat did you have a 1.00

00:35:07.460 belt and you were whipping him or how did you know with my hands with okay you you you gave him the hands 0.98

00:35:13.620 he caught hands yeah okay i don't do that anymore though so who won the the that last one me you

00:35:20.740 won yeah did you knock him out no but i almost broke his jaw okay yeah you guys wrestling around

00:35:27.780 or something no i don't even think i don't i blacked out i just know you blacked out yeah scratch marks

00:35:33.380 you got show us the nails you got some oh yeah did you did he get the nails too no my fist was closed

00:35:39.300 down good times um good times uh okay all right so you mouthed off a bit you said

00:35:51.540 wait well hold on why are you i'm high-fiving her because good for her to stick up for herself 1.00

00:35:56.580 that's it don't make me cry i mean if i mean nobody should put hands on anybody i don't know

00:36:03.380 wait can i ask you a question can i ask you a question yeah of course if if i was dating a

00:36:06.420 girl and she put hands on me first and i was responding in defense and i was like i 0.98

00:36:11.380 fucking smacked that i smacked her fucking around but it was a she hit me first it was defense with 1.00

00:36:17.220 and my bro over here nick back there was like fuck yeah bride good job smacking that chick around 1.00

00:36:23.220 you'd be like come on you know i really wouldn't if she was really hurting you i think you're you 1.00

00:36:28.420 were allowed the right to defend yourself like if i was here just started fucking if we were dating and 0.98

00:36:33.540 she you know fucking i mean like and i just i i chucked her across the room i picked her up 1.00

00:36:39.460 fucking threw her oh that's kind of extreme also like half your size i think that's a little extreme 0.99

00:36:45.940 like given like i'm 4 10 so i think there's like levels to it unfortunately because it's hard to like 0.99

00:36:51.620 really like judge the situation however i think if a girl or i think man or woman if someone's really

00:36:58.500 hurting you i think that you are allowed your right to defend yourself i don't know you the

00:37:04.660 the short people throw down that we do we do y'all hide your we're a little psychopath short people

00:37:10.500 hide their power level but and you're closer to the nuts oh no when people are like pick that up 0.99

00:37:16.820 because they're closer to the ground i'm like i'm also closer to your dick so watch out yeah like 0.99

00:37:21.220 period yeah exactly because i'll kick you you don't know if this is gonna be like turn out violent or 0.98

00:37:26.420 like a seduction yeah it's crazy yeah yeah but i'm not violent but i do i do think that everyone's 0.97

00:37:32.260 allowed to defend themselves man or woman okay what would you think if like a girl started hitting me 0.99

00:37:39.060 and i slapped her in the face slapped her back i wouldn't do that i would be in the right but i

00:37:46.820 wouldn't do it well like i said there's levels to it unfortunately it's not black and white however

00:37:52.180 like if they were really hurting you and you had no way out i think it's totally okay that you smack

00:37:56.740 them what if there is a way out but i think you should try the way out yeah first before you should

00:38:04.740 run by the way yeah also just prescriptively for the men watching even even in scenarios where you

00:38:11.060 would be justified in striking someone back in self-defense and she's a woman even if you're 100

00:38:18.340 100 you should you shouldn't do it you shouldn't do it uh just because prescriptively yeah you

00:38:26.340 shouldn't do it because uh you know it's uh you'll get in trouble even if even if she's the aggressor 1.00

00:38:34.820 even if you know the the circumstances legally would allow you to strike some someone back

00:38:41.460 you gotta you gotta just you gotta leave the situation you gotta leave the situation get out of

00:38:46.500 the situation as best you can trust me because the cops come they're gonna be they're gonna arrest

00:38:52.180 you even if she's the aggressor so you gotta get out of the situation well i come from a state of

00:38:57.060 experience rest in peace to my dad but i broke his nose because he put hands on me first

00:39:03.140 fair enough yikes so jot that down wow like 410 your your dad yeah

00:39:08.500 he pinned me down smack me across the face i broke his nose

00:39:15.060 rest in peace by the way rest in peace he would love he would love that i was talking about this 1.00

00:39:20.740 he was proud of me he was proud of me that you direct his world yeah you fucked up yeah 0.99

00:39:26.900 wait hold on how tall you 410 how tall was your dad like 5 8 but he was like 210 pounds and how much 0.99

00:39:32.500 do you weigh like 100 you pinned him down no he pinned me down oh he pinned you down

00:39:37.060 smacked me across the face and i broke his nose why he broke my he was drunk he was an alcoholic 0.91

00:39:44.340 and he was drunk he smashed my phone and i was talking to him so he pinned me down smacked me

00:39:49.540 sorry and then i broke his nose so underneath him i broke his nose this is a very healthy family

00:39:55.780 dynamic yeah well he's rest in peace obviously i have no father so were you were you like young when 0.98

00:40:01.860 this happened i was like an adult i was like 17. damn shit that's heavy yeah he was pretty heavy 0.98

00:40:20.340 anyway anybody have an abusive mom to like level things out yeah 0.99

00:40:25.060 mom's abusive okay she's an alcoholic yeah oh okay she she threw like a ball of rum at you or 1.00

00:40:33.540 something no my car keys she threw your car her car keys your car keys my car keys my dad or my brother

00:40:40.340 bought me my car okay and she wanted to take my car from me okay she threw them at me so i was like

00:40:46.580 you can't take my keys damn that's crazy anyways okay moving on uh relationship status what about you 0.70

00:40:55.700 i'm taken all right uh how long you been in the relationship uh it's pretty recent um i don't know 0.98

00:41:04.420 we never like i don't know it's hard to explain there's not like one day that we like said like

00:41:08.740 yeah we're together how long have you known them oh we met in january okay so what seven months or so

00:41:14.980 and uh so you guys are boyfriend girlfriend yeah okay and wait hold on but it's pretty recent

00:41:26.820 so did you start with as friends or was it like from the get-go it was kind of we were like

00:41:31.780 we met in january we were like talking getting to know each other and then we didn't really like

00:41:36.500 say anything about making it official being in a relationship until pretty recently i guess

00:41:40.900 okay all right uh longest what's the longest relationship you've been in a year and eight

00:41:47.780 or nine months okay almost two years who broke up with who i broke up with him okay why is that

00:41:54.260 he was just a bum i don't know he wasn't a good boyfriend sorry he was what he just wasn't a good 0.99

00:41:59.300 boyfriend and he wasn't a good boyfriend what does that mean wouldn't take me out on dates just like 0.98

00:42:04.820 wasn't very nice to me like i don't know he was sort of um um he also sexually assaulted me

00:42:11.060 oh okay what are you going to learn with that i don't like leading with that i don't know i don't 0.99

00:42:22.180 know it's because like shit i mean what if i said yeah he sexually assaulted me i broke up with him 0.99

00:42:26.660 that's a bit intense but hold on all right we're good um also like in the moment i broke up with him 0.99

00:42:36.340 because he was a bad boyfriend but then later on i was like sure that's sexual assault wasn't it

00:42:41.620 well um can you hold on what's going on back there

00:42:48.340 yeah you don't need to tell us okay all right just go use it um all right so

00:42:53.860 can i ask you you said you were with him for two years yeah when did the assault occur

00:43:01.220 um well we were like you know we were in high school so we weren't having sex at first but then

00:43:05.220 like a few months into the relationship we had sex for the first time and then after that it just kind

00:43:09.540 of like snowballed into if he wanted to have sex we were having sex it didn't matter what i said

00:43:15.700 so pretty much okay pretty consistently throughout the whole relationship after those first few months

00:43:20.100 okay so just just so i understand it correctly correct me if i'm wrong uh initially the sex was

00:43:27.060 consensual oh our first time was not consensual okay but there were consensual there were some

00:43:38.340 there were times consensual encounters yes but there were also numerous non-consensual encounters yeah

00:43:44.900 those were more more frequent than consensual okay and when you say when you're saying non-consensual

00:43:53.300 are you saying there's a lack of affirmative consent yeah or like full-blown he's forcing himself he was

00:44:00.580 never violent with it but it was definitely like you know he'd be like do you want to have sex and i'm 0.84

00:44:04.500 like no and he's like are you sure and then okay the most common scenario was um he was the only one

00:44:11.460 with the car i didn't drive yet my parents would be at work he would pick me up we would go to his

00:44:15.300 house and he was my only ride home basically and it was like you know we were just like at his house

00:44:20.740 i didn't really have a way to leave so he was blackmailing you not black with a ride home if you 0.52

00:44:28.100 don't i won't drive you home coercion there was was it coercive i mean there was one time where i was 0.98

00:44:35.300 like i'm not having sex with you i like got up i walked out of his house and he chased me down he's 0.89

00:44:38.900 like at least let me drive you home and i was like i don't want to be in a car with you right

00:44:42.500 now but i said yes i didn't want to walk home i'm not i'm gonna be honest i wasn't actually gonna walk

00:44:49.060 and and then he would force himself on you basically yeah i'd just be like laying there

00:44:54.820 okay yeah you'd just be i didn't really know what to do so i would just like lay there it was really

00:45:00.340 awkward i don't know i was very non-confrontational so i didn't want to be like hey can you stop

00:45:03.940 i tried but it didn't really didn't really land i don't even want to have consensual sex in a car

00:45:13.460 no not in the car like i don't even neither do i like it's okay yeah this is not anyways not the 0.92

00:45:21.140 best like you know there's beds and stuff for consensual sex for consensual yeah for consensual 1.00

00:45:26.500 sex yeah um and but so uh well i'm sorry to hear that happened um it's in the past is there i guess 0.68

00:45:35.700 any reason like you stayed with him because i mean this is really bad like really criminal behavior

00:45:40.900 yeah um i guess it was like you know i was young it was my first relationship i like i don't know i

00:45:46.740 was like trying to convince myself that it was okay i guess i didn't realize that it was a problem until

00:45:50.740 like i felt like i was in too deep so i was like i don't know what do i do i do i just like break up

00:45:56.020 with them i don't know and then eventually i realized like this is messed up i can't keep

00:46:00.180 letting this happen can i ask when for some of these non-consensual encounters that occurred

00:46:06.260 that you would categorize as essay was it ever like he would

00:46:14.740 like there was verbal coercion so he would be upset and he would maybe ask you repeatedly

00:46:21.940 and then you would finally give in would that is that would you characterize that as something

00:46:26.740 that occurred definitely happened a few times but more so it was more so like physical like i would

00:46:34.180 like be what's the word like i wouldn't be very involved and then he would just like start putting

00:46:40.900 hands on me and i'd be like what is happening right now and but would you verbalize that or i was just

00:46:46.260 kind of scared of him so no i never verbalized it okay um i just kind of like i don't know i started

00:46:53.060 dissociating as soon as he put his hands on me so i was just like oh okay i guess this might as well

00:46:57.620 happen did you ever go to the police or anything or i didn't realize that i should

00:47:03.060 so i never did and then after the after the fact when i realized how bad it was i was like

00:47:07.620 i mean if i did go to the police what evidence do i have so i just never bothered and then

00:47:12.260 and then interspersed with these times though you said there were instances where you did have 0.80

00:47:18.500 consensual sex with him yeah he was my boyfriend i wanted to have sex with him sometimes okay 0.83

00:47:24.820 so i are any of these categorized like you weren't like sometimes you know if i got a girlfriend i'm not 0.98

00:47:32.020 like a super 100 in the mood but then i have sex with her i wouldn't at least from my perspective i 1.00

00:47:41.140 wouldn't consider that that's consensual you're not categorizing like times where you did have sex 0.62

00:47:47.220 with him but you were maybe just like not super in the mood you wouldn't say that that was essay

00:47:52.420 correct like are you saying like did i ever change my mind then consider that sexual assault no no like

00:47:58.500 um i think we can all agree there's sometimes when we're having sex there's varying degrees of

00:48:05.940 enthusiasm yeah like sometimes i'm like i'm really about it other times so you're just asking if like

00:48:11.780 i wasn't enthusiastic and i consider that by the way i'm not saying that this is the case for all

00:48:15.300 instances i'm just asking were there ever instances where you're just kind of like

00:48:21.300 but you still you know you still consented yeah there were times where that was the case but there's

00:48:25.700 definitely like a difference and both of them happened yeah okay um so you didn't go to the police no

00:48:32.900 okay um

00:48:38.420 and i don't want to pry too much because i know this is like very sensitive no pry as much as you

00:48:42.980 want i love talking you okay about it i hate this guy he's never gonna watch this because i know for 0.62

00:48:47.140 some women this can be very sensitive no i'm over it okay um he was a bum i don't care but you said that 0.95

00:48:55.620 and maybe this can like help people just better understand the situation yeah you guys would be

00:48:59.620 hanging out you guys would be maybe it was at his house your house you guys be in bed whatever

00:49:04.900 and he would you know start kissing you moving things towards sex and you froze up

00:49:14.580 yeah but so were there times like would you say anything

00:49:21.060 i guess there were a few times where i tried speaking up and then he would like back off for

00:49:24.900 a little bit and then he'd like start again and i'd be like oh my god didn't i just say and then 0.94

00:49:30.340 i'd just like so you would you would then have sex with him yeah basically during it okay 1.00

00:49:43.220 oh any girls want to weigh in on this i don't know any girls have thoughts on this 0.99

00:49:46.820 sounds like coercion if she's like persisting begging let me have sex let me have sex let 1.00

00:49:53.940 me have sex until you give in okay yeah i've been in that situation too yeah i think a lot of girls 1.00

00:49:59.220 sucks it's like it's not consensual but it's yeah like you're not stating any matter of fact 1.00

00:50:08.260 but then you wake up feeling like shit regardless well you only give in because they're begging or like 0.99

00:50:12.980 you feel pressure yeah but you don't say you don't want to and then they like beg you to do it and 0.98

00:50:17.860 you're like okay yes so it's technically consensual but you're pressured into it yeah yeah like it's

00:50:23.060 complete coercion yeah uh jake just sent us a raid hey jake thank you so much for the raid man really

00:50:28.820 appreciate it um well i guess it's it's a difficult topic to to discuss but i want to try to do so in

00:50:36.420 like kind of a uh like as gentle way as possible i guess um question for you guys because i've seen

00:50:44.820 some people uh collapse a lot of different behaviors under the umbrella term of assault there's like

00:50:53.540 i think there's some stuff that's obviously super clear where it's like physically violently forced

00:50:59.620 like some stranger jumps you and but like i've seen some definitions where they'll say if your

00:51:07.140 boyfriend threatens to break up with you because like let's say you guys aren't having sex enough

00:51:13.940 and he's like look i want to have sex more i don't think we can like i'm not sure i want to keep dating

00:51:20.900 you if we don't have sex more would that fall under the umbrella of sa if the girlfriend's like well i 1.00

00:51:28.180 value the relationship i don't want to have sex but i will have sex to keep the relationship like

00:51:35.700 i don't think at all i think there's like there's a distinction because there's a difference between

00:51:40.820 putting down a boundary which is fair if you want to have sex more in a relationship that's okay

00:51:44.740 but it's also like if you're pushing that with the intention of trying to make her give in like if

00:51:49.060 you're saying that if you're bringing it up it has to be either like we have sex and you know we

00:51:55.300 stay together or we just break up like you can't just be like oh she doesn't want to have sex and 1.00

00:51:58.420 we push it it's if she doesn't want to have sex we break up yeah i think it's just like a preference

00:52:03.060 in my opinion like it would be like yeah same thing like you either decide to have more sex or just like 0.98

00:52:09.380 we aren't compatible then it's not even a girl issue though either like i dated the last relationship

00:52:16.020 i was in i told him he wasn't having sex with me enough and he literally cried in my arms and was 0.57

00:52:21.300 like please don't break up with me i'll be better yeah i mean it could go both ways maybe maybe the

00:52:27.780 woman has a higher sex drive and she's not being satisfied yeah and she's like if we don't have 1.00

00:52:33.780 more sex i don't know if i can stay in this relationship literally that's what i told him

00:52:37.220 yeah and he cried in my arms and yeah but i have seen definitions where they say it falls under coercion

00:52:44.100 if you're threatening to leave your partner because they won't have sex with you yeah i disagree with

00:52:49.220 that because yeah i was in that situation i was like you're not like yeah satisfying me so i think

00:52:55.460 it depends how you go about it in my opinion i'm like yeah i tried open honest communication and it

00:53:01.300 wasn't i was gonna say yeah it's about the intention behind it and like about how you execute your needs

00:53:06.580 or how you express your needs like because again there's a big difference between hey have sex with me 0.62

00:53:12.260 or i'm going to divorce you make sure that you don't have custody with your children yeah i agree 0.73

00:53:17.860 yeah and but i mean smuggling in the the legal component of i'm gonna like try to like it's

00:53:26.340 blackmail when it comes to the the child custody component but like the first part of your statement of

00:53:32.820 if assume oh there's actually something on this that we can maybe i don't know if i have it but

00:53:38.180 like if the wife is regularly turning down her husband for sex 0.72

00:53:45.700 and he he wants to have sex and she's not you guys have kind of made a commitment to have sex with 0.62

00:53:51.140 each other i agree nobody should be for like nobody should be forced to have sex but if one person

00:53:57.540 stops having sex unilaterally yeah i don't see anything wrong with the other person whether it's a

00:54:02.340 man or woman saying i'm not be within this component of our relationship i'm not being satisfied

00:54:08.340 i want to end the relationship no that's yeah basically what i did and i was like if it's not

00:54:12.580 going to change like so you were like begging him for yeah yeah basically okay i was like why don't you

00:54:20.420 want to sleep with me like is there something wrong with me it made me feel like i was in the wrong 0.96

00:54:25.860 damn yeah yeah good times uh shit well sorry i mean it sounds pretty wild um situation but 0.99

00:54:36.100 ultimately so there were times where you were having consensual consent excuse me consensual 1.00

00:54:41.060 sex with them other times sounds like you're claiming not consensual yeah um

00:54:51.460 okay life be life and yeah life be life and dude i think uh yeah i think you gotta both people have

00:55:00.740 have to have that enthusiasm like for me if the girl was on the fence about i i'm already turned 1.00

00:55:06.900 off at that point i don't even well yeah i didn't want him to sleep with me if you didn't want to

00:55:12.180 sleep with me that's why i was like is there something wrong with me are you not attracted to me

00:55:15.620 anymore like yeah i don't know is it a me issue yeah i would just break up with the girl brian

00:55:29.460 i'm insecure right now like he literally cried in my arms i was like it's it's a me

00:55:34.340 issue i'm insecure well no to emily to your point i mean i'm gonna like if if she's sick she's not

00:55:42.340 feeling well i don't it i don't need to have sex all the time like hey we can just chill we can just

00:55:47.780 have a it's not a big deal right but if it's like a regular pattern where she's like constantly turning 1.00

00:55:54.820 you down then yeah i'd probably be like all right well i kind of think there's always an outside

00:56:00.980 factor i don't think sex just stops and here's the thing if my husband like i i have a pretty high

00:56:06.500 sex drive myself and if my husband came to me and was like emily like consistently over a couple of

00:56:12.420 months like you know was like okay i can't i can't i'm not able to do this whatever it is especially if

00:56:17.860 i was like married to this person like we would talk about alternatives we would talk about like

00:56:24.260 going to a doctor we would talk about his limbito we would talk about our attraction to each other we'd

00:56:29.140 find new ways to spice it up in the bedroom so like whatever it may be i feel like that's the way

00:56:35.060 like to be able to collaborate especially again if you're married with somebody but if there's

00:56:39.300 genuine sexual incompatibility there's also alternatives like some people open up the

00:56:43.780 marriage some people um okay i'm not saying that you can never get divorced or that you can never

00:56:49.060 break up with somebody because you're not sexually compatible um but again you should probably try to

00:56:54.820 work through with your partner oh yeah it's about communication at the end of the day well i have a

00:56:59.380 question for brian sure what's up you said that when you get married you're basically agreeing

00:57:04.660 like to have sex with them right however if you're not sexually compatible

00:57:12.660 like there's other ways to work around it right like do you think it's always like 0.98

00:57:17.860 you owe that to them no no prostitutes unless they're into that maybe they're into that wait so 0.98

00:57:23.540 what do you what's your question i guess like if you were to marry someone and then your sex drives 0.92

00:57:28.660 didn't align would you be willing to meet in the middle in some way because i feel like

00:57:32.580 marriage means you meet in the middle it doesn't mean you owe them sex like i feel like

00:57:37.940 it's when you get married like you're willing to meet the middle and accept them for who they are

00:57:42.740 right so i don't think i mean christians probably have a different perspective on this but uh so i

00:57:47.540 don't think that anybody owes anybody anything but in the same vein then like where do we take this to

00:57:53.860 its logical conclusion like do i not owe my wife certain things in return yeah i think like you

00:58:01.540 want to give them something but like let's just say like you're married for 60 years you become like

00:58:06.580 at least like six different people within those 60 years like we're all changing and so i think that

00:58:13.220 like you know like your needs become different and i think you're like always meant to meet in the middle

00:58:20.260 personally well i think one of the obviously consent is paramount consent comes over all these

00:58:27.700 conversations but when you've made a commitment to somebody you have made a commitment to uh to

00:58:34.900 fulfill their needs not just sexually but in other dimensions too we would all rightfully reject like 1.00

00:58:40.340 well i'm just refusing to meet my partner's uh emotional needs or their physical safety or whatever it is

00:58:46.420 right so i think there's a whole bunch of different paradigms where when you do enter either into a

00:58:51.940 long-term relationship monogamous relationship or marriage you've made a commitment to fulfill their

00:58:59.140 needs and fulfill the needs of the relationship this doesn't mean that somebody can you know force their

00:59:04.900 will upon you or anything like that but it does mean considering the other person's feelings in this

00:59:10.660 situation so in the case of the person who's less desirous of having sex it should be a consideration

00:59:16.180 of okay well um how can i look internally to see you know what can i do what can they do i think i

00:59:25.540 think it shouldn't just be like nope i you know i am just not gonna have sex or hold on i'm trying to

00:59:33.780 be charitable to the person who's less desirous so the person who's less desirous of having sex they

00:59:40.180 should they should do some degree of consideration and reflection within a consensual framework well

00:59:47.460 it comes down to open honest communication yeah at the end of the day yeah but same topic but it's

00:59:53.460 interesting because i used to work at a sex store and i'd always have like you know like sex toys and

00:59:58.740 stuff like we didn't sell sex but um you know guys would come in they'd buy themselves like 300

01:00:05.540 toys and then when it came to like the woman being like let me buy a toy they're like no she has me 1.00

01:00:10.420 she doesn't need a toy i think it should be a mutual thing you know what i mean like you're both trying

01:00:16.100 to meet each other in the middle whatever that looks like is different for every person sure nick i

01:00:20.980 sent you something in private chat this went viral like a decade ago so this uh this guy kept a

01:00:28.980 a spreadsheet we have a chat here i'll read really quick blah fest marriage is a union

01:00:34.660 not a compromise thank you blah fest appreciate it all right a little contradictory but yeah new tab

01:00:41.300 like just the image so husband kept a spreadsheet of all the times his wife denied him sex i think i saw

01:00:50.740 this so we're gonna we're gonna look into that i'm gonna look you got it all right make it a little

01:00:57.780 bigger and my husband did that we would not be having sex nick try to right click the image and do 0.96

01:01:08.340 just open a new tab right click and it just gives you the reddit one again okay that's fine in any case

01:01:14.340 um so this is over the course of a a month and a half june 3rd to july 16th she says yes twice three

01:01:24.820 times three times three times her excuses i won't read all of them but i'm watching a show friends rerun

01:01:31.460 uh she says i feel sweaty and gross you know let's have a girl read these these are uh isabella can you

01:01:38.660 read these what number from where uh just from the top like i feel sweaty that one all right i feel

01:01:44.260 sweaty and gross i need a shower i'm exhausted i'm still a bit tender from yesterday non-verbal

01:01:52.100 i'm trying to watch the movie fell asleep 15 minutes later i'm too drunk and i ate too much

01:01:58.500 i won't have time to get showered and get ready they were 20 minutes early came back from the gym

01:02:02.660 and i feel gross didn't shower till next morning non-verbal i have to wake up early non-verbal

01:02:09.380 you're too drunk i feel gross i'm not feeling good i ate too much sweaty and gross tired

01:02:16.420 non-verbal might be getting sick don't feel 100 too tired non-verbal watching my show and i don't want 0.52

01:02:23.300 to miss anything all right so in this situation and we have to assume that that's probably been

01:02:30.020 a pattern even before he started keeping the spreadsheet what do you guys think you think

01:02:36.740 i think she's been emotionally checked out yeah you could tell by her responses she's just finding

01:02:41.940 a way out she sounds like me in that relationship i'm not gonna lie excuses that's one theory it's

01:02:47.860 also possible that she could be going through menopause she could have a lower limbido

01:02:51.940 her husband might be bad at initiating yeah but that's where the communication comes into play

01:02:58.500 it's like if you're feeling like that and you're going through menopause or whatever

01:03:02.260 like you have to express that you can't just yeah make up a bunch of excuses to be fair he didn't

01:03:06.980 put any context he was just yeah there was no context he was not like yeah my wife is going through

01:03:11.620 this yeah well he was just like here's the list but if she said that maybe he'd put it on the reddit

01:03:16.900 i mean maybe he lit some candles and like you know brought her some roses maybe like be a little

01:03:21.860 different in my defense like spice it up yeah i think like bought some toys like whatever you're

01:03:27.140 comfortable with i think that like we get so comfortable in these relationships and then we

01:03:30.580 get checked out or like it's not that we're unattracted to them but there's just not that same

01:03:34.660 spark there anymore which is okay you're with someone for 20 years of course it's not gonna be the

01:03:38.740 same spark yeah but like switch it up not something different and also in traditional households

01:03:44.020 like with man and wife the woman is doing if she has a job she's doing the workload and she's taking 0.99

01:03:48.820 on the house load and she's taking on the children they actually did a survey about this about how

01:03:53.700 even in marriages now the man still is not putting as much of the housework in or the children's work

01:03:59.140 even with feminism and all these other things coming up yeah so she's act it does lead to a lower 1.00

01:04:05.140 sex it does you're good okay it does lead to a lower sex drive in her because if your energy is 1.00

01:04:10.740 everywhere else then of course you're not going to feel like sleeping with your husband yeah yeah 0.97

01:04:14.900 last thing i want to do after all that is give you head yeah i think bottom bottom line is yeah

01:04:20.020 that's where communication comes into play like you have to be yeah communicate about question for you

01:04:26.020 guys um let's say you're in a relationship and it is a relationship you know it's not like you're

01:04:31.220 waiting for sex or whatever uh do you agree or disagree with the following statement

01:04:36.580 just because you're in a relationship parentheses or married with him or to him does not mean you

01:04:44.420 need to have sex with him do you agree with this statement or disagree with this statement can you

01:04:48.580 say it again one more time yeah just because you're in a relationship with him does not mean you need 0.98

01:04:52.740 to have sex with him i think need no you don't need to i think it depends on your agreement and

01:04:59.700 the person and how you're compatible like because there's asexual people what if you're married to 0.77

01:05:04.260 someone who's asexual so i think that's a very like specific like i don't think you need right 0.99

01:05:09.620 but assuming like a normal dynamic i mean depends on the situation the word need here is kind of

01:05:16.180 funny because both partners have their own needs meaning that the woman has sexual needs the man has

01:05:20.900 sexual needs so if you are going to adhere to your partner's needs you communicate kind of like what

01:05:26.340 the theme has been about well i guess if we're going that way then yes but i don't think like

01:05:31.060 need like i don't like the word need yeah i don't think like you need to adhere like we're not

01:05:36.900 like like of course you always have the right yeah again we're not we're i this conversation is

01:05:41.700 occurring within the context of consensual encounters but wouldn't it be fair to say that like

01:05:50.180 if you want the relationship to continue wouldn't it be fair to say that you probably do need to have

01:05:58.580 sex with your boyfriend yeah like don't you i'm like fully agreeable with that yeah i know the need 0.70

01:06:05.060 thing like people want to push it into this direction of like well of course it's always consensual but i 0.98

01:06:11.540 i would say like i would how can you not say that you have to you need to have sex with your partner like 0.80

01:06:19.540 because when what i'm saying there is your partner is going to break up with you if you don't 0.66

01:06:26.660 well they'll cheat on you yeah if you're not getting it from you they're going to get it from

01:06:30.660 somebody else for real well cheating lacks discipline i think and integrity but i think if you want

01:06:37.780 relationship to continue and you like them that much unless you're asexual there's no need to have 1.00

01:06:42.340 sex you're just going to be attracted to them and you're gonna have sex no i think i think we need to 0.98

01:06:48.340 have sex but i'm just saying there's no like need if you already attracted them and want to stay with 0.94

01:06:53.460 them like what if the boy what if the boyfriend unilaterally just stops having sex with the

01:06:59.380 girlfriend that's that's what happened i wouldn't look at the girlfriend who's like after a couple 0.99

01:07:07.780 weeks or months of that and she's now all of a sudden wants to break up with him i wouldn't

01:07:13.700 be surprised if she ends up breaking up with them yeah yeah oh yeah i don't know somebody came to me

01:07:18.900 for advice and yeah they were like hey my partner whether it's a man or woman wants to have sex but

01:07:26.900 more frequently than i do or i just not really feeling it i'd be like well if you want to keep 0.72

01:07:33.380 your boyfriend you need to have sex with them or do something sex is a need in a relationship

01:07:39.060 yeah you have to be on the same level like yeah but but if you don't have that desire then i would i

01:07:46.580 could also tell them you should probably you could consider breaking up too and find somebody who you're

01:07:51.940 either more attracted to who you have more sexual chemistry with or who um matches your libido i mean

01:07:59.860 yeah that's what i proposed yeah yeah nobody said he would match me and he never matched me

01:08:05.940 yeah nobody nobody is obligated to have sex yeah again consent 100 crucial but i think communication

01:08:13.940 and respect for each other's needs that's uh that's also crucial too yeah yeah but also in my

01:08:21.620 experience and people stopped having sex with me they were cheating so i feel like i'd be like so icky 0.95

01:08:27.380 yeah i'm like so you're fucking someone else like you have no honor but this is more of a question 0.98

01:08:33.700 for like anyone but what if you met someone that was just so amazing and you're like head over heels 0.99

01:08:40.180 towards that person but they're like horrible at sex what do you do then teach them yeah there's that

01:08:48.980 we can build yeah we can start from the bottom if they can't learn there's yeah i would say like

01:08:57.940 again like so the chemistry is important yeah chemistry would be very important to me in a

01:09:04.100 relationship yeah as long as they're open to like yeah new things and new interests like yeah as long

01:09:10.900 as long as they're open as long as they're deaf and they can hear like literally i think there's

01:09:17.220 nothing wrong with deaf people i'm sorry now i'm kind of confused because i thought we were just

01:09:22.100 talking about how like sex does not matter no it does not for me yeah my stance and many of the

01:09:30.180 stands on here is that sex is a need in a relationship and a very fundamental one yeah yeah i think that's

01:09:36.740 the thing that everyone can only speak for themselves on you know what i mean because

01:09:40.260 like i'm sure there are people where sex isn't a big deal so you're saying it's not a need but it's

01:09:45.620 more of a want i think it is a need because like we all want pleasure and we all feel fulfilled and feel

01:09:51.860 like obviously like sex is a stress reliever you know but for some people i can't speak for them

01:09:58.020 there's obviously some people that don't care about sex okay so yeah i guess i would say a want

01:10:03.780 yeah it depends more person for me it's a need i'm just gonna say it i mean for me it's a need

01:10:10.500 i just need some kind of pleasure i don't need sex necessarily you could buy me tacos and i'm pretty 0.90

01:10:15.620 happy boltinator oh whoops hold on trying to trigger this is it not hello hello hello play play there it

01:10:26.900 is yo thank you for uh shop.whatever.com thank you for purchasing a piece of merch thank you

01:10:32.180 boltinator looks like you got a t-shirt there appreciate it thank you man um okay here let

01:10:37.220 me finish up the relationship status here really quick uh going to you oh i'm single i've been single

01:10:43.220 for about two to three months now and my longest relationship has been a year and a half all right

01:10:47.780 who broke up with who i broke up with them every time okay uh what about you engaged for how long

01:10:54.100 uh since 2020 uh engaged since i'm sorry together that's fine together since 2020 okay so uh five

01:11:00.740 years all right longest relationship uh seven all right ever married no no nope oh okay um

01:11:10.500 who broke up with who in the seven-year relationship uh he left me he left for his best friend's ex

01:11:16.260 good times good times all right i did have to pay his alimony though what wait what i had to pay him

01:11:25.700 to get him to leave like for our house we bought a house together and for him to give me the whole

01:11:32.340 house i had to give him portion of a lot of cash are you are you from california nope washington washington 0.72

01:11:38.660 okay yeah washington sucks oh did you guys have a common law marriage nope oh but you guys they have a no 0.69

01:11:44.660 fault purchased a house together yeah so i basically paid him out um basically he figured it was like 0.93

01:11:52.420 rent for the years that we bought the house together uh so we bought the house in 2011

01:11:58.500 and he left in 2014 so i paid him basically half of the mortgage for the years he lived there

01:12:06.100 okay so you it wasn't really alimony then i consider it that hate him but it was related to the house

01:12:12.580 right yeah it was okay so i i didn't have to sell it so i could keep it myself i see okay

01:12:17.860 pos what about you um i just got into a relationship not that long ago how long y'all been together like

01:12:27.460 three months like no okay three months yeah all right longest relationship uh my longest was two years

01:12:35.620 two years two years all right who broke up with who i broke up with him okay cool all right that's

01:12:42.820 everybody's uh relationship status we have a couple reacts uh i wanted to uh get to uh why don't we do

01:12:52.100 that um oh right okay so there's two there's two main things then we have some reacts so the first thing

01:12:59.780 is uber that i wanted to go over so uber recently released it's not really dating related but i don't

01:13:06.660 know whatever gender related uh so that's scroll down a little bit nick okay uh actually just click the

01:13:15.620 the center one at the top yeah uh uber is launching a new women preferences feature in the united states

01:13:24.020 with pilot programs in los angeles sf and detroit this allows women riders to request women drivers 0.87

01:13:30.980 and women drivers to opt in for women only trips it's already facilitating over 100 million trips 0.87

01:13:37.460 globally the feature aims to enhance safety confidence and flexibility while offering more choice

01:13:43.780 expect potentially longer wait times for these matches and then uh go over to their uh

01:13:49.780 uh twitter the uber twitter they also posted some stuff uh scroll down uh scroll down scroll down

01:13:58.500 scroll down scroll down okay that one uh here just scroll up click just do click more or show more my

01:14:04.740 bad more choice more control women told us they wanted the option to be matched with other women and 1.00

01:14:10.740 we listened uh after piloting these features in other countries bringing women preferences to the united

01:14:16.820 states riders can choose a woman driver drivers get more flexibility and control because because when 1.00

01:14:22.740 we make uber better for women we make it better for everyone scroll up and then good morning america 0.99

01:14:28.980 covered it women will soon have more options when it comes to who they match with on ride sharing trips 1.00

01:14:35.700 scroll up uh you can now request a woman uber driver if you're a woman okay uh scroll up again if you're a 0.77

01:14:44.100 a woman uber's new feature in the u.s makes ride sharing safer for female riders and drivers 1.00

01:14:51.380 all right uh going around the table your reaction are you in favor what do you think good bad neutral

01:14:59.540 neutral but i think it's good because i prefer women doctors because i've had terrible experiences with 1.00

01:15:07.460 male doctors okay so like i specifically seek out women because i feel safer with them okay so

01:15:13.940 yeah i think it's a good thing if you have trauma with that type of stuff then you're probably more

01:15:19.460 comfortable with another woman also if you're a small woman you can be easily taken advantage of

01:15:24.500 you know you're not going to win against a large man um i agree just because the same thing like you

01:15:31.060 could request like a woman doctor and you just whatever makes you feel more comfortable you know

01:15:37.060 women can be predators too however it's less likely than a man in our experience hey i'm happy that

01:15:44.740 they did that i've had bad experiences so i mean and i'm small like it's it's hard so sure i agree

01:15:51.380 what about you what do you think um i think like what's the harm it makes people feel safer so what sure

01:15:56.100 okay thoughts so me personally i've no it hasn't crossed my mind to ever request a female driver

01:16:06.020 okay i will leave space for people who are traumatized and feel safer that way beautiful love

01:16:10.820 it glad that you have it um if me personally i may have requested like if if i'm around guys that are

01:16:18.660 like making me uncomfortable at a bar or something i might actually request a male driver because somebody

01:16:23.620 who might be able to intimidate them because men respect men other more than women so in my opinion

01:16:30.180 like i think that again it's great for people who feel safer that way and it's more comfortable for

01:16:34.580 them to be in it in that environment because of things that they're working through and a little

01:16:40.340 nuance that i'll add here is that like um one thing that i've seen in society a lot is a lot of women 1.00

01:16:45.060 versus women and perpetuating more and more and more this like men are violent or evil or whatever it is

01:16:50.660 and like there's really great men out there and i think that if i were a predator yes uber might be

01:16:58.500 a way that i go about predatory but uh so again lots of nuance here but overall glad for the people who

01:17:07.300 who could use it and who feel safer that way i would not utilize it myself okay your thoughts i agree with

01:17:14.820 her i wouldn't utilize it i no offense i don't think women are the best drivers so i wouldn't want 1.00

01:17:20.500 to and honestly with your fact that a man would intimidate another man from a bar i think that

01:17:29.140 would be a good point but honestly having that option is maybe having that option doing grocery

01:17:34.340 pickup or the grocery ordering having women do that because they are a little bit more detailed 1.00

01:17:38.660 than missing the items at the store but they had to pick the avocado i think it's just for rides

01:17:45.620 i think it's just for rides at the moment pause your thoughts um i agree with the last few things um

01:17:53.940 i i have like so many questions about it because how do we know if it's like really safe because it

01:17:59.060 could be a man making a profile as a woman requesting woman wouldn't that also be a danger if we're

01:18:06.900 talking about that well apparently on the uber app i think whether you're the driver i think drivers

01:18:12.100 go through more verification but as a passenger you can just go into your settings like i can just

01:18:17.220 change my gender to woman yeah so it's not like id verified yeah so i don't know when it comes to

01:18:24.180 the driver side because like your driver's license says yeah yeah but you can just change your gender

01:18:29.540 in the app but anyways um but your thoughts overall assuming like everything works out fine the

01:18:36.580 the way the woman can just pick to be picked up by a woman the woman driver can prioritize wanting

01:18:41.860 to pick up female passengers in favor

01:18:47.060 yeah less bothered by uber yeah it's just doctors that give me the

01:18:52.980 yeah i mean i think when it comes to a situation where you're in a like under state of undress i think

01:18:59.860 it's fine to have preferences with like same with bathrooms yeah if you're in a state of undress i can

01:19:05.220 see how there's like a bona fide reason for wanting to only have people of the same yeah i'm like i

01:19:11.300 guess i'm yeah less i tried on this issue with drivers versus yeah paus did you want to finish

01:19:18.180 thoughts on this though um i don't really know what more to say about it but um i don't i personally just

01:19:26.020 don't trust it i think it's a great thing that they're trying to start but i don't see um

01:19:31.620 um like a safety towards it like verification you know like photo identity like you know like when

01:19:39.860 you make a tinder profile you get like a check mark if you do like a whole like 360 of your face to

01:19:45.540 make sure that you're not like well let's assume they can verify and ensure that if you click this

01:19:52.100 preference that you want a woman to pick you up that it is going to be a woman who picks you up and if 1.00

01:19:56.420 you're the driver's side you're gonna get a uh you can have a preference to just pick up female 1.00

01:20:01.700 passengers okay well maybe i just have chest issues but you know there's like people who um you know

01:20:09.940 put on the wigs wear like makeup and like but they could do that i mean so currently the current sort

01:20:14.980 of uh what's it called the status quo is when you purchase an uber you could get a woman you could 0.82

01:20:23.380 get a man so you could as women you can currently you could just get a man to pick you up but now 1.00

01:20:30.980 with this option there's like a greater likelihood that they're gonna they're gonna try to pair you

01:20:35.300 with a female driver but isn't this option to have like women feel more safe if they feel like they 1.00

01:20:43.460 could have oh a female driver so i'm just saying like what if it was a male that acts as a female to 0.99

01:20:51.620 get a woman driver and want to maybe harm her that's all oh you're saying okay i see what you're

01:20:58.100 saying you're saying uh with this option uh it it would make it because now if you're just on uber

01:21:06.660 you don't really know who you're gonna get as like probably good chance you end up with a male driver

01:21:11.700 right because i think there's more male uber drivers than female uber drivers in this instance 1.00

01:21:16.660 though they could like fake their gender so they could intentionally try to target getting a female

01:21:21.700 driver basically or the reverse i guess could be true too i there's probably again more verification

01:21:27.540 on the driver side where they're gonna put like do a bit more to verify that the driver's a female so 1.00

01:21:34.100 i guess unlikely for the driver to be trying to be like predatory i guess in this circumstance but uh

01:21:40.660 okay i see what you're saying i see what you're saying all right well i'm gonna come in with a hot take

01:21:44.820 okay i don't like it i don't like it um and i think because it is creating a

01:21:53.060 accepted social stigma towards men i understand that women do have bad experiences with men i

01:21:59.380 understand that women have certain safety concerns etc but i would like to present to you a challenge to

01:22:07.300 the logic as follows uh and you a lot of women would say well men are more likely to commit certain

01:22:14.660 crimes or as women you guys have had first hand second hand third hand bad experiences with men

01:22:22.420 well hold on what if i as a white person i'm not saying that this is the case but let's say i made the

01:22:31.220 case hypothetically that i could point to a race that was more represented in crime statistics and i had a

01:22:40.420 bad i was attacked in my past by a member of this racial group and i said i only want to be matched 0.55

01:22:48.980 with people of my own race we would i think we would all rightfully look at this first off the

01:22:55.300 optics if uber were to implement like a whites can only you have a white preference you want to be paired

01:23:02.180 with a white driver it would optically be fucking terrible for uber but it would also quite clearly 0.69

01:23:08.260 be uh racist it'd be a racist practice it'd be discriminatory in that in that same light i think 0.97

01:23:16.180 it's discriminatory towards men to create a social stigma of course there's there are men out there who

01:23:23.140 are monsters who do commit crimes but i think the majority of uber rides go off just you get in the

01:23:31.060 car maybe the guy makes like annoying conversation whatever you get in the car he brings you to your

01:23:36.100 place that's it has there been in the past some bad things on in uber i've i've seen videos though

01:23:43.140 where i saw uh a uh a muslim uber driver i think he was muslim maybe whatever picking up two white women 0.84

01:23:50.820 and the white woman just fucking for no reason and it's all recorded on on the dash cam maces the 1.00

01:23:58.980 the the the muslim uber driver and i think it was like racially motivated possibly she just he wasn't 1.00

01:24:06.100 doing anything literally just fucking driving or whatever takes out her pepper spray maces the dude 1.00

01:24:13.300 so you know i think met men have experienced this too probably like i'll be charitable not as 0.95

01:24:18.660 frequently as women will have negative encounters but it does seem a little uh discriminatory you

01:24:26.020 know i thought we were against discrimination i actually kind of see where you're coming from

01:24:33.300 i do but i don't and oh one other thing here can i like as a man i i want a male driver

01:24:41.940 are you guys okay with that if i say no no no please please please never happy about that if i

01:24:49.300 say please never oh my god sorry i just spit there very impassionate please only put me only put me with

01:25:00.580 a male driver and the basis of this is because you know maybe it's like a i have a prejudice towards

01:25:07.060 women like i what if she falsely accused me of something or i have another prejudice what if i'm 1.00

01:25:14.180 like she's just a bad driver okay but if you if you wanted that why is that an issue maybe just too

01:25:19.300 many women hit on you so i'm just gonna i'm gonna actually agree with bride in a lot of ways i think

01:25:24.580 that victimization is a real thing i think victimhood is something that people voluntarily

01:25:29.540 fairly accept when they don't take it they don't take ownership and responsibility of their trauma and

01:25:33.780 their triggers meaning that again i have been through a lot of experiences myself and so i've

01:25:39.060 been through the phase of fearing men or like you know being triggered or whatever it is however like

01:25:45.860 you know when i like it's not your fault what happened to you but it is your responsibility to

01:25:51.220 to grow and learn from it and to become stronger from it wiser from it more savvy from it and become

01:25:56.500 more empowered from it so again like you know you can't because you had a bad encounter with a couple

01:26:02.180 of women or a couple of men that doesn't mean that all men are bad or that they're all out to get

01:26:06.580 you or all women are bad they're all about to get you but as long as you don't work through your stuff 1.00

01:26:10.420 you're going to keep attracting unsafe people into your life but you guys are cool like if i just have

01:26:15.540 a prejudice against female drivers and i i don't feel safe it's about my safety i don't want to get in

01:26:21.780 car with with a female driver i don't feel like i addressed that well i'm not even responding i'm

01:26:28.260 just saying it to the table if i i want to be able to pick a male driver 1.00

01:26:35.300 yeah that's actually day and age are you guys cool with it you guys yeah i'm not judging you but

01:26:40.260 am i being sexist towards women i feel like it's a little sexist a little sexist towards women see 0.94

01:26:46.980 brian realize that you're asking the table where there's a lot of women out there who are psycho and 0.98

01:26:51.300 would be like yeah you want male drivers let's go only males no women 1.00

01:26:58.980 sure i guess but i i think like we're all for it over here no i'm sure i'm sure

01:27:04.500 well i'm sure the women are all for the separation but they would probably have some objections 0.98

01:27:10.740 to the reasoning or the prejudice uh espoused that okay i think i'm you know whatever okay let's

01:27:19.620 move the like safe driver thing what if i'm like okay uh i think the woman's gonna falsely accuse 1.00

01:27:24.980 me of something and that's why but you guys would be like well okay you can't just generalize all

01:27:30.260 women like most women are not gonna like falsely accuse you of something i think some of us just 0.91

01:27:36.260 have triggers in our bodies that we can't even control like it is your job to work through that

01:27:40.580 for sure get in therapy like you know do those things however you can't if you can avoid feeling

01:27:46.260 that way or reacting a certain way why wouldn't you know what i mean but but here's i guess here's

01:27:51.300 my thing here as a society we've deemed sexism is bad right but now we're kind of walking it back

01:27:59.620 to the point where okay but if i can justify my sexism then it's okay for example i could the same

01:28:07.780 arguments that women use when it comes to feeling unsafe with men and then they want to have certain

01:28:13.140 uh they want to have corporations employ discriminatory uh discriminatory practices

01:28:19.780 what's stopping me from making like similar logically commensurate arguments as it relates

01:28:26.500 to racial segregation like okay i don't think like hold on let me phrase this properly

01:28:34.900 i think it would be racist to say for somebody to be like i had a bad experience with a black person

01:28:40.260 before i want corporate policies to allow me to only uh have a white uber driver like that would be 1.00

01:28:48.980 clearly racist and they might even that could even be illegal it might even be illegal to uh discriminate

01:28:55.540 on this basis at least in california california has a law it's called the civil right uh the

01:29:02.500 unru civil rights act i believe i think was passed in the 60s you can't uh businesses can't

01:29:08.820 discriminate on the basis of gender uh sex uh race i think a couple other metrics so uber would be in

01:29:18.740 violation of california law if it had i i believe it would i could be wrong if it had a policy that

01:29:25.540 basically was like if you're white you can pick to only be picked up by white people or if you're the

01:29:33.460 driver imagine the driver is setting it so the driver's like i don't want to pick up black people 0.99

01:29:39.220 i only want to pick up white people i'm sure everybody here doesn't that sound terrible 0.93

01:29:45.620 that sounds really racist if the driver's like i don't want to pick up black

01:29:49.140 probably shouldn't just not uber then okay i guess what i'm trying to get at though is it seems like

01:29:57.300 discrimination is okay when it comes to men i love your hypotheticals but i mean race and sex are

01:30:06.980 different they are they are different but they are also both protected categories when it comes to

01:30:12.820 discrimination yeah okay i mean like for example i mean this was one of the basis of a lot of like

01:30:18.180 feminist uh you know activism is we want access to men's spaces because men were saying no we want to 0.97

01:30:26.900 associate only with men you can't join our golf course you can't join our you know whatever it is

01:30:33.300 so i think perhaps there could be equality under this if they allow men to pick to only ride with men

01:30:41.060 but the feature has been rolled out only for women so you could make an argument if they allow it look

01:30:47.780 and i'm not a i'm not a uh you know civil rights attorney so i don't know precisely if this actually

01:30:53.540 uh would be some sort of contravention of the civil any sort of federal or state civil rights laws but

01:31:02.500 i think for it to be equal you got to offer it to both men and women currently as it stands it's

01:31:07.220 kind of discriminatory on its face but then i would then say well okay let's say you equalized it let's

01:31:14.340 bring it to race let's say you said okay well we're gonna we're gonna equalize it whites can just ride with 0.89

01:31:20.500 whites and blacks can pick to just i would still be like that's still kind of racist it's still kind

01:31:27.780 of segregation but then also i guess my next question is how far can we take this like should

01:31:34.820 we do can airplanes can an airline decide no we're gonna have female planes and male planes 1.00

01:31:44.180 can can airlines do that legally i don't know maybe if you you maybe you offer uh as long as

01:31:52.740 you're offering two planes leaving at the same time maybe i don't i don't know exactly how it

01:31:56.740 would work i mean uber is typically one-on-one situation we're not talking about planes we don't

01:32:01.060 want female planes there's flight attendants there you can speak up there's other people that can 1.00

01:32:04.900 protect you if you're in a bad situation it's like it's unnecessary it's too far i don't think like

01:32:09.540 planes would be necessary you know i mean i don't think you can fix division with more division i'll

01:32:14.580 just say it yeah i agree i also agree chat i'm gonna let that sometimes we do this we let the chat

01:32:20.820 weigh in chat i'm looking at you guys right now on youtube so um isabella isabelle or isabella isabella

01:32:28.180 isabella made the following argument she says well as it relates to the plane versus the uber she made it

01:32:34.180 she made a good argument she said well with the uber you're one-on-one it's just one you're you're

01:32:40.740 alone right whereas with an airplane or a train uh there's a bunch of other passengers there's like

01:32:46.980 flight attendants um so do you think it differs there is there an argument because of the uh more

01:32:55.620 isolated nature of a you know you're taking an uber you're taking a taxi whatever do you think that's

01:33:01.460 compelling argument if it is compelling what would be your counter argument to isabella uh why don't

01:33:07.140 you pull up the twitch nick and show the chat so we can see what the chat's saying uh and just so just

01:33:12.740 leave the chat up if you just want to bring it to window uh let's see chat what do they here hold on

01:33:20.660 i have to i have to put in members only temporarily otherwise it's just gonna get spammed

01:33:25.700 no it's fine you can leave it up all right chat we're doing the segment you get to make the argument

01:33:29.700 uh you get to make the argument chat what's the argument uh davon jackson you're taking money out

01:33:36.740 of men's pockets by limiting the people who can ride with them oh that's interesting okay that's an

01:33:41.460 interesting argument so you're basically less opportunities for men there's more male drivers 1.00

01:33:46.980 in general okay and that make more yeah that's kind of he says bernard says i think it's a good

01:33:54.740 argument because when there's more people less chance of crime uh bear bear driver option says

01:34:00.740 boosted coyote this plays right into our segregation plans thank you i support it we don't care about

01:34:07.860 this plus you're holding up traffic free association applies to any sex or race uh send home the sack of 0.79

01:34:14.980 potatoes okay what uh what are the stats on uber related male crime versus airplanes or train crimes

01:34:21.140 with multiple people i i mean i'll just go ahead and say yeah there's probably more incidents of

01:34:26.100 crime occurring in isolated situations like uber uh what stops men identifying as women that's a good 1.00

01:34:34.260 question women are going to have to wait one hour longer for rides the likelihood anything happens in 1.00

01:34:40.820 an uber is the same likelihood anything happens with a woman in the woods okay all right all right 0.62

01:34:47.300 okay well we got some arguments there thank you guys i'll uh take it put it back to we have some

01:34:52.420 arguments

01:34:55.060 thank you guys thank you thank you uh anyways um so anybody in favor of uh

01:35:02.820 what should i the segregated should we bring back segregation what do you guys think what that's

01:35:11.940 yeah no one's gonna say yes hard to get away from that but i i don't i guess so isabel raises the

01:35:20.020 point of like well there's the difference between like alone versus groups of people less like less

01:35:27.380 likely for bad things to occur if there's a whole bunch of people around like could we just go and you

01:35:33.540 know what if we do take it to a larger scale planes trains can we do um buses can we do female 1.00

01:35:42.740 only buses that's a bit more buses can be a bit more isolated than the plane or a train uh what about

01:35:51.380 graduation ceremonies segregate put the the women over there the men over there 1.00

01:35:56.820 or race should we segregate we can race racially segregate should we think we're good no i really

01:36:03.860 think it comes down to the one-on-one thing because like i think that we got away from segregation for

01:36:08.580 a reason and if like you're in a public setting that literally like the one-on-one thing that's

01:36:14.820 eliminated because you're around other people you know what i mean there's always a risk man or woman

01:36:19.300 that anyone could hurt another person like i think just the uber thing is because it's a one-on-one

01:36:25.780 experience okay well i have not as at least as it relates to larger scenarios with the train bus

01:36:34.180 airplane i'm sure there's actually i could probably make some compelling arguments but i didn't really

01:36:38.500 think that one through specifically but i do still think it's compelling though even if we do bring it

01:36:44.180 to the one-on-one dynamic again if you're say you're a white person and you're gonna say i had a bad

01:36:50.980 experience with a person of a different racial group that's the same justification women use 1.00

01:36:57.940 for wanting to have these certain protections in place why can't a white person say

01:37:05.780 i only want to ride with a white person well they should probably get a car 1.00

01:37:11.380 okay i'm just joking i'm just joking but again i so i think just to be clear i'm not advocating for

01:37:16.820 segregation i think it would be racist to think this yeah but then so too it must surely be sexist

01:37:24.180 against men to have this woman's preference policy anybody disagree

01:37:31.860 i don't think it necessarily is sexist i think it's just like a safety thing but i do think like

01:37:36.580 it needs like a crash course like i think like it needs to be thought through a little more sure but

01:37:40.820 but then okay then again a white racist person can say i don't feel safe around this racial group

01:37:48.740 so then what would be your objection if their basis for their racism is due to their safety concerns

01:37:55.140 like let's say they have legitimate safety concerns i just think it's really hard there's so many races

01:37:59.620 versus there's like technically two genders we can like obviously get into that you know like man 0.99

01:38:04.660 women i know i'm just saying like if we're going man woman like uber wise but there's so many 0.82

01:38:10.980 different races it'd be hard to be like i only want this race yeah sure what if you're a white 0.99

01:38:16.260 person and you've you've had bad experiences with all the other racial groups except for the white

01:38:20.740 yeah it's way harder to pinpoint like i think like yeah but they still they they fear other racial

01:38:27.140 groups what exactly are the safety concerns the safety concerns yeah what's the safety concern

01:38:32.500 well so you would agree that if a woman has had firsthand negative bad experiences with a man

01:38:38.420 that would be their justification for a safety concern right so like let's say a white person 0.55

01:38:43.060 got beat up by a black person three years ago they could then use this as justification for feeling 1.00

01:38:47.860 unsafe around black people i think for like the woman and men they're in more in terms of like 1.00

01:38:53.140 size and their men are bigger testosterone men have more testosterone they're stronger their ability 0.97

01:38:57.700 to build muscle they can okay like race doesn't have anything to do with that really like

01:39:02.340 yeah there's one bad person that doesn't make everyone bad yeah there's one bad man doesn't

01:39:05.620 make everyone man bad but you have more testosterone you're stronger still good point

01:39:09.620 still scary okay but i don't think so i don't think necessary i agree with you that men are

01:39:15.220 generally speaking larger than women physically stronger than women uh but just because you're

01:39:20.020 larger or physically stronger than somebody does that's not basis for prejudice against them assuming

01:39:25.460 they're going to be uh violent or predator not necessarily puts you more at risk though you're

01:39:29.940 gonna be more at risk there you're not more at risk they just well you're more in risk you're

01:39:34.980 at risk everywhere in the sense that you're more at risk in the sense that for example uh chihuahuas

01:39:41.620 are really aggressive dogs okay yeah but because of their smaller size uh their likelihood of being

01:39:48.180 aggressive doesn't diminish because of their size but they're going to be able to do less harm than say

01:39:53.300 pit bull who can kill humans i don't chihuahuas can't really kill humans that's what she's saying 0.82

01:39:59.540 no like men are bigger and if you honestly wait one thing if you can get killed by chihuahua you 0.98

01:40:06.180 kind of deserve it like you kind of if a chihuahua can kill you and you probably should just let it

01:40:15.220 like let's just let it happen just like you kind of okay yeah but if a man can kill you you don't 0.97

01:40:21.220 deserve that oh sorry roma let me get your message here really quick okay thank you thank you roma army

01:40:26.020 donated two hundred dollars thank you thank you these women much like most women fail to understand 1.00

01:40:33.140 about their bias towards men is that fear rooted in a stereotype isn't bravery it's just bigotry

01:40:39.060 dressed up in feminism yo roma thank you so much for your uh message there well put also i do see your

01:40:45.460 super chat here i'm gonna get that pulled up we'll come back to the convo here in just a moment but i'm

01:40:49.860 going to let this come through uh oh this is uh what these women what these women i think it's the 1.00

01:40:56.340 same thing fail to understand about their bias towards men is that fear rooted in the stereotype

01:41:00.900 isn't bravery it's just bigotry dressed up in feminism good point good point thank you roma

01:41:06.740 appreciate it thank you for the soup chat we also have sean it's just trying to give women yet another 0.63

01:41:12.500 leg up and yet another male dominated space it's just discriminating against men why don't they just 0.98

01:41:18.100 focus on doing better background checks and give a safe ride guarantee and mandate dash cams yeah i

01:41:25.620 mean i think there can be all kinds of employments of different safety precautions on this but thank

01:41:30.660 for that appreciate i think dash cams like if there's a camera in every car i think it'd make people feel a

01:41:35.460 lot better whether it's man or woman you know i think if that was mandated then it would completely

01:41:41.460 eliminate the need for a woman besides someone's trauma but that's their own personal thing to work 0.98

01:41:46.900 through thank you sean for the soup chat really appreciate it then we have hold on a couple more

01:41:52.340 chats here got roma these women are doing everything they can to avoid saying it's okay when i do it to 0.99

01:41:58.980 men but i'm offended when it's done to me they aren't intelligent or even feminist they're bigots and lip 0.99

01:42:04.820 gloss oh shit who are you talking about chloe roma everybody a single person here is wearing lip gloss 0.99

01:42:11.060 but pop off like but i feel like for 70 of the conversation we've agreed with brian so i don't 0.98

01:42:16.740 understand what these people are doing well also we didn't we didn't make this policy no

01:42:24.660 no but when i did ask going around the table i think most of you said yeah you're okay with it right

01:42:29.300 i'm okay with it but like i mean we're not pushing for you it's okay that you're sexist

01:42:34.020 no we're not like literally we need bro but didn't all of us say that we agreed if you wanted a male

01:42:39.060 driver that's fine yeah we did yeah one sec i'll address that really quick wrath nose

01:42:45.140 nose piercings may lead to bad decisions or tattoos discuss

01:42:50.660 well isn't it the reverse bad decisions lead to tattoos yeah who who here has tattoos shows

01:42:58.820 a show of hands no i don't i don't have any tattoos who has tattoos tattoos tattoos tattoos tattoos

01:43:07.060 i love you have tattoos is it just me who has uh who has nose piercing i have three

01:43:11.780 no we got one technically two three four five okay all right that's uh i got my first one at 15 me too

01:43:21.540 yeah yeah so uh thank you wrath for that um what do you guys think about this though wrath is asking

01:43:29.220 uh do nose piercings lead to bad decisions or tattoos i don't know what's the bad decision in

01:43:37.700 question the piercings are the bad decisions yeah is it i was trying to say not that i agree but

01:43:43.860 i don't really understand like what i'm saying personally but in my experience because i'm bisexual

01:43:48.980 girls with tattoos and piercings usually are way more fun so i don't know more fun okay i mean 1.00

01:43:55.620 not that any of you guys about tattoos and piercings are not fun did you say you have tattoos

01:43:58.740 personally offended i don't no no no okay what do you guys think about this though

01:44:05.380 i think a lot of guys think tattoos and piercings again depends tattoos depends piercings depends

01:44:13.220 are red flags agree disagree okay wait wait hold on one at a time why would i agree with that i

01:44:21.540 have because you have well it's you know you could you could be self-aware like yeah i'm a red flag

01:44:27.300 maybe but not really okay i don't think my tattoos are a red aroma roma's chloe roma's gonna come for 0.89

01:44:37.540 me for that one um your thoughts i'd say it could be yeah could be yeah why why could it be uh more

01:44:44.580 inclined to like irrational decisions spontaneous yeah or what no that's not the right word impulsive

01:44:50.660 impulsive impulsive it's like you're altering yourself permanently so okay show something okay

01:44:57.060 what do you think um i don't think so is it red flag not a red flag no i think it's just a way to

01:45:01.780 express yourself red flag what do you think you're designing your character i don't think i think

01:45:06.340 i think everyone has a different cup of tea what's the one on show us the one on your neck

01:45:09.540 here oh sorry it's fine you're fine oh wow it's a wait can you turn more thank you that's epic oh wait

01:45:17.540 is it a wolf cute wait what it's a dragon and a snake does it go down and it goes down can you turn

01:45:23.940 like all the way around other way other way yeah just okay this way yeah that way turn and then here

01:45:29.940 here we'll go like this this is like a wait is that a jester mask so it's a snake coming out of a

01:45:37.060 mask it's a snake and a dragon and then it goes into a rose in like my spine area dope yeah that's

01:45:44.660 beautiful um but i think everyone has a different cup of tea like honestly it doesn't really matter to

01:45:50.260 me okay uh what do you think red flag no yes not inherently but i can see the association see these

01:45:55.540 okay that's fair association what do you think yeah i agree yeah okay not a red flag not a red flag

01:46:01.780 boss red flag i agree with them yeah maybe what do you think brian uh so i think it depends right

01:46:10.900 it depends on the location okay let's start with tattoos okay depends on the location depends on the

01:46:17.140 location of the tattoo depends on what the tattoo is uh oh there's a really good meme on this but i

01:46:23.220 don't know if i have it shit so i'll say this though here's my position okay i think 0.76

01:46:32.180 here's my view tattoos for me and i probably for a lot of guys they're either neutral at best 0.96

01:46:40.180 so it's a neutral or it's a negative guys no uh like a tattoo on the woman like if i'm doing this

01:46:47.220 like a girl i'm trying to date like that's going to be the assessment it's either neutral

01:46:50.740 or it's a it's a negative a tattoo is never never never a clause never but hey neutral is okay

01:47:00.660 nothing wrong with neutral wait wait what do you think about mine then i'll get to that

01:47:04.900 he came prepared uh piercings again this is gonna differ on the piercings but even piercings

01:47:13.700 even like an earring or something neutral or negative well sorry all piercings all piercings 0.99

01:47:22.740 but i'm saying even earrings that's i'm not like oh my god i want to fuck her more because she has 1.00

01:47:28.260 earrings i think we're just from different oh my god i'm more attracted to her i'm just like i've never 0.99

01:47:32.980 experienced this no experienced what okay in my past guys have been like oh i love your piercings

01:47:39.060 like it makes me like you more oh yeah stop stop stop stop hold on hold on question for you

01:47:46.420 yes do men lie yes wow okay do do men lie sure okay but let me ask you a question

01:47:57.380 is flattery an effective strategy for lying are you assuming that they're lying well

01:48:04.980 so it would never behoove me like let's say i was trying to let's say i was trying to mac

01:48:11.540 let's say i was trying to mac you know yeah mac i was trying to you know put the mac down

01:48:17.300 on some of the pierced ladies at the table it would never occur to me to be like i 1.00

01:48:22.180 hate your piercings i would never say that i'd be like well she's got some piercings she's still hot 1.00

01:48:28.340 whatever i'm not gonna be like fuck your piercing that would not be hold on hold on hold on that 1.00

01:48:34.900 would not be an effective strategy if i'm trying to you know well if it helps have sexual intercourse 1.00

01:48:41.460 with you wouldn't be effective would not be effective or date you whatever if it helps your 0.70

01:48:45.860 hypothetical every guy that's complimented my piercings also had piercings themselves

01:48:50.100 so i don't think they're lying okay sure so look i think what by the way i didn't say it was

01:48:55.620 universal like that sure there's guys i know i was just saying that who are like more um i don't

01:49:00.820 know what the term they use is it's like more alt or punk or whatever and they're like they're gonna

01:49:06.020 be like oh cool commonality like she's kind of she has a similar aesthetic or i'd like her aesthetic

01:49:11.780 whatever uh there's definitely guys who are into piercings into tattoos whatever i think generally

01:49:16.580 speaking for most guys they look at the septum piercing no offense and they're like

01:49:20.900 neutral uh negative well i'm not trying i'm not trying to hate my whole point was just

01:49:27.940 most girls look at a guy with a podcast they're like i don't think it's the same i don't know about

01:49:31.780 this i don't think it's the same with tattoos i don't think it's the same with tattoos because guys

01:49:37.060 there's a lot of guys that really love a tattooed girl they love girls with tattoos they like literally

01:49:42.980 okay that's it's in my experience there are those guys out there i think there's no but yeah here's my

01:49:49.460 question so like yeah my tuts they're pretty well done okay yeah intentional well like so it's like

01:49:58.580 neutral or what you got you got what is that one show us that one can you turn turn turn turn 0.68

01:50:03.700 i still think it's a badger and there's fucking crystals growing out of that and is it what is 0.99

01:50:09.060 that a a sickle what is that is it like a islamic sickle or what it's a islamic sickle 0.97

01:50:16.900 moons don't look like that it's a crescent moon yeah they do that's no moon looks anyways my last

01:50:23.060 name's badger that's why oh okay that's cool um but like they're well done one second i'm gonna let

01:50:29.140 the chat come through but we'll continue zero for donated two hundred dollars told you i would

01:50:34.580 get you back brian looking forward to the t-app conversation coming up coming up tattoos on women

01:50:41.780 are a red flag oh discord home thank you man appreciate it appreciate it man thank you um

01:50:49.380 yeah we're gonna get into the t-app here in just a sec but okay we're talking about tattoos piercings

01:50:53.060 yeah does it differ if it's like terrible tattoos versus like well done yeah i feel like mine are

01:50:58.260 pretty well done like they're all professionally done i mean she's money so i'm just asking what is

01:51:04.340 it the lines or whatever i'm just asking you the question like yeah would this be neutral or red flag

01:51:09.460 so i guess to kind of finish up my point so i was saying when it comes to piercings and tattoos at

01:51:13.140 least for me and i think for a lot of other guys it's going to be neutral or negative yeah not to

01:51:19.220 say look there's men like she said there are men who like tattoos i think generally speaking this is

01:51:24.020 the case they're going to view it like neutral negative now when it does come to making the

01:51:30.100 differential between neutral and negative i would say how big is the piece where is it located for

01:51:35.700 example negative that i can across the board any face tattoos that's 100 negative that's fair

01:51:42.100 there's no such thing as it for me a neutral face tattoo no i agree neck tattoo no offense

01:51:47.780 chloe no offense chloe chloe you know chloe no offense jackie jackie no chloe she's oh she's

01:51:54.900 like my name is uh on the show last wonderful person but she's got a bunch of tattoos the orange 1.00

01:52:01.300 hair girl right no she has black hair black hair orange hair was sitting here yeah so she's sitting 1.00

01:52:06.900 next to me they both had throat like blasting tattoos and it's not a judgment when it comes to

01:52:12.420 uh necessarily like who they are as a person or value judgment there i'm talking from a dating

01:52:18.420 paradigm so from a dating paradigm and we're talking about red flags yes it can be a red flag

01:52:24.500 um so placement um if she has a like a heart on the inside of her wrist 1.00

01:52:31.220 do you have one well that's a i would that's too big that's big that's a big one i was just like a

01:52:38.980 little tiny heart so a little a little one on on the wrist or the ankle that's neutral okay so are

01:52:47.220 my neutral or red flag what do you think you're you're um you're into the negative territory

01:52:53.620 why because because of the amount of the tattoos it's like full sleeve basically and it's going

01:53:02.260 into the hand do you have any on your fingers no just okay do you have your legs yeah you do

01:53:08.580 have one there are your legs tattooed her whole leg is tattooed oh my gosh yeah we can't we probably 1.00

01:53:15.060 can't show it but uh actually we kind of can uh oh are you wearing boy shorts uh yeah okay yeah 0.52

01:53:22.100 yeah yeah it's fine wait no wait just stay there just stay there wait can you just put your leg

01:53:27.620 into the table though no no no bro just into under the table just put oh is there a camera no

01:53:38.740 she's just like okay here's the camera angle her her just she was spread eagle right 1.00

01:53:46.020 no so we can see it from here that's fine no no you don't have to bro stop 0.99

01:53:49.220 fucking spreading evil bro we love the spreading um no we saw that we can see the tattoos when your 0.99

01:53:54.740 legs are straight yeah no yeah my legs it is the amount of tattoos you have i think it goes i'm i'm 0.99

01:54:02.260 just here just calling it calling how it is it's in the negative red flag territory okay i was just

01:54:09.060 curious and uh so there then there's like the type of tattoo too i mean your tattoos are well done they're

01:54:15.220 clean the clean lines or whatever i don't know tattoo lingo but um but uh where it's just uh yeah

01:54:24.900 like most guys aren't gonna you know she's got a little heart tattoo on her ankle or what again 0.97

01:54:29.620 they're not gonna care neutral but it's never positive never positive no i was just wondering

01:54:36.020 where i was toeing piercings earrings neutral so i maybe probably negative for most guys i think

01:54:45.540 most guys gonna see the the that what's a plug it's the or the gauges the gauges yeah yeah just plugs

01:54:52.980 yeah um probably

01:54:59.060 yeah i think uh piercings neutral or negative how do you feel about them

01:55:03.300 uh yeah he says neutral this is my preference yeah neutral negative towards what tattoos and

01:55:10.420 piercings i've been telling you for the past five years well i i'm understanding but okay like for

01:55:15.700 example like a little stuff like a stud on the nose neutral yeah septum negative okay wait what about

01:55:24.260 this one yeah she's what about this one negative negative this one yep negative for real negative the 0.99

01:55:31.540 medusa yeah crazy clit piercing nipple piercing negative uh belly button piercing 1.00

01:55:41.940 belly button neutral negative okay i think the whole point we were trying to make is just like 0.99

01:55:46.740 yeah that's how you feel about like how you think the general public thinks we just talk to different

01:55:50.740 people then what about tongue piercing like those negative negative well it's it's on the face itself

01:56:05.220 so it's just like the aesthetic of it there's that but then there's the also okay what does this say

01:56:11.460 about the person what is it what is it communicating to me like we all kind of make instant snap judgments

01:56:17.940 about people and sometimes those judgments can be wrong but you can kind of get a little bit of a

01:56:24.340 judgment or a sense of who this person is based off of okay but let's say most of these decisions

01:56:29.860 happened when i was like 18 19 20 okay you made bad decisions in your past then yeah so like can you

01:56:36.820 judge me now based off my past bad decisions uh like if you're making a face judgment

01:56:42.980 mm-hmm yeah and it's yeah yeah probably because i think people repeat their past oftentimes not

01:56:49.940 always but not if you're healed there's probably some underlying like i don't know um like for

01:56:56.660 example would you guys object to me saying the following uh even if i i would not want to date

01:57:02.740 a person who was previously a drug addict even if they've been clean for five ten years i wouldn't

01:57:08.420 want to date somebody who used to be addicted to heroin but that's valid that's your personal

01:57:13.300 it's her she's been clean for five ten years but i would look at that and be like

01:57:20.740 i could just date somebody who's wasn't a previously addicted to heroin but that person you're dating

01:57:27.060 who's never been addicted to heroin could still get addicted to heroin while you're with them true so

01:57:32.020 but also i do think it's valid to have that preference and i'm not saying i'm not saying that people who

01:57:38.260 used to be you know who used to be uh substance users or whatever are are bad people but when

01:57:44.740 i'm doing an assessment of who i want to date i am going to take into these like these things into

01:57:50.420 consideration not to say that there couldn't be growth you know you can't grow from that but

01:57:55.540 but when it comes to tattoos piercings again just to be clear a tattoo isn't a deal breaker

01:58:02.180 necessarily like i will date a girl who has tattoos there are there is a level to it like

01:58:08.180 no offense to you i'm not like trying to dunk on you or anything like i'd probably unless she'd have 0.88

01:58:14.980 to be fucking amazing like really funny no that's okay negative

01:58:24.740 probably probably if she has a neck tattoo i'm just immediately it's just a disqualifier right away 0.95

01:58:31.540 perfect right but you could still work around the hand tats uh hand tats probably i mean i have a

01:58:38.100 preference towards minimal or no tattoos okay it's not 100 a deal breaker like some of the ones on

01:58:45.380 your arm like i'm not going to be like instantly okay deal breaker just off that you are heavily

01:58:49.940 tattooed other places well i think for some guys it's going to be a deal breaker question for you

01:58:55.860 what if like you met someone and like say like it's winter they're wearing a turtleneck you have no

01:59:01.060 idea like how many tattoos they have yeah and you really vibe with them sure and you end up really

01:59:05.780 liking them and then it turns out they have a bunch of tattoos sure so are you going to stop talking to

01:59:11.700 them or be unattracted to them just because they have hello tattoos are you going to go off of the vibe

01:59:18.180 uh i mean again so it's it would depend how many tattoos okay it's not always a hundred percent deal

01:59:25.540 breaker yeah but generally speaking i would say i'm going to probably lose some level of attraction

01:59:32.980 for that person i might be less inclined to want to pursue a relationship with that person so you

01:59:38.340 don't think personality is more important than how they look oh you you don't think

01:59:43.860 looks do matter i'm just i'm just like you know what i mean like if you already really like someone

01:59:52.020 based off their personality sure you're going to not like them as much once you see they have

01:59:56.260 tattoos wait but wouldn't you agree that you can like somebody for their person like you like their

02:00:02.180 personality but there's other characteristics they have you dislike and so you're not going to date 0.76

02:00:08.900 them yeah if they don't like wash their butt or something but like i'm not going to like be upset 0.74

02:00:13.460 because they have tattoos or piercings or well how about this i mean if a woman there's all kinds of 1.00

02:00:19.300 things and this can go both ways like if there were things that were not disclosed to you ahead

02:00:25.220 of time but you otherwise liked them before you made the discovery yeah you can choose not to date

02:00:32.260 them you can yeah i think that's why icks are icks you know like you learn further down the line that

02:00:38.180 you don't like something yeah i don't think it's yeah sorry if he randomly if he was dating her and

02:00:44.660 she ended up taking her hoodie off and he was like whoa if he got the ick he got the ick like that's on

02:00:49.620 him you know some people aren't bothered by it some people are yeah i think everyone's like entitled to

02:00:54.340 their opinion for sure i guess i was just asking like if you really vibe with someone like i'm willing to

02:00:58.820 accept certain things especially like personality wise you know what i mean yeah or i mean looks wise

02:01:05.380 yeah um i guess ultimately though uh not a deal breaker i when it comes to piercings these aren't

02:01:15.540 piercing i think piercings tend to be less bad than tattoos because you take them out piercing you can

02:01:24.340 take out um tattoos i mean unless you get the what does your tattoo say what does your tattoo say oh

02:01:31.780 this one um it's supichia in thai i'm from thailand what does that mean me too it's actually

02:01:38.100 it's so i i got this one um my my oldest sister did it and it's more of like an identity meaning

02:01:43.700 because my biological name is actually supichia not pos oh that's cute that's cute thanks yeah

02:01:49.940 we're from thailand you're not gonna know of it i'm it's like literally a buck back of nowhere

02:01:55.140 she's from bangkok i am not from bangkok i'm actually from a very small village um called

02:02:00.500 kong and kofifi she's from where it the next big city like karat okay yeah that one uh so yeah i

02:02:09.220 guess ultimately though um kind of red flag a little bit i'm curious like sorry if you've already said

02:02:14.980 this but like what does what do you think that piercings and tattoos like oh yeah yeah sure like

02:02:19.540 what is the red flag yeah thank you for reminding me about that yeah so i think again it can have to do

02:02:24.820 with impulsivity it can also just be an indicator for other sorts of things for example like i don't

02:02:31.460 want to date somebody again you could be fully blasting tattoos and it doesn't always necessarily

02:02:40.260 indicate this but i tend to like make an immediate immediate judgment when somebody as they're more

02:02:46.260 tattooed i'm leaning more towards drug usage i'm leaning more towards promiscuity i'm leaning more

02:02:53.220 towards uh impulsivity i'm leaning more towards has there been potential uh trauma in the past and

02:03:01.860 i think these things again i'm not saying people can get tattoos and it's not an indicator of any of

02:03:06.820 these things but that's going to be kind of my snap judgment and honestly if you do ask people who

02:03:13.060 are heavily tattooed there is a greater proclivity towards drug use again somebody could be told no tattoos

02:03:19.220 and be the biggest addict ever of course but i'm saying is when i do see that instantly i'm gonna

02:03:25.620 i'm just gonna have these prejudgments and i could be wrong i could be wrong but that's the prejudgments

02:03:30.820 a greater proclivity towards drug use promiscuity and past trauma that i don't want to deal with in a

02:03:38.340 relationship i don't think this is just my opinion obviously but like i don't think trauma depending on

02:03:44.100 the situation is necessarily fair because it matters how they handle it and like how they heal from it

02:03:49.380 however like usually trauma isn't our own fault oh absolutely yeah sure sure i i'm i'm 100 agree with

02:03:57.540 you trauma can't is typically well it depends but everyone has trauma you know to some extent trauma

02:04:04.820 typically is not your fault yeah typically uh whether it is or isn't though whoever's fault it is

02:04:15.140 typically i think it's people's preferences i don't know about women but i don't want to deal 1.00

02:04:20.740 with somebody who has a bunch of trauma i don't want to deal with that in a relationship do you have

02:04:24.980 well i define oh sure yeah i think it's more important not whether or not they have trauma more

02:04:30.020 so have they worked through their trauma so they're not actively reliving it and bringing

02:04:35.380 it into the relationship not blaming you for acting sure but i mean it would still even if they've worked

02:04:42.180 i guess yes it's good if they've worked through their trauma can they be fully healed yes it's probably

02:04:50.100 still better though to have not gone through said thing like it's probably better because

02:04:56.420 even if they're right right it's better to not have had the trauma oh yeah in that sense but

02:05:03.300 like not in a dating sense well what do you mean in a in a dating sense yes yeah like in a dating

02:05:09.860 sense i disagree because um if somebody goes through trauma sometimes if again there's some

02:05:15.060 people who are traumatized to bring their shit into the relationship but for people who are traumatized

02:05:20.260 and have actually worked through their stuff they can there's certain characteristics that they may have 0.97

02:05:24.660 not explicitly because of their trauma but could be enhanced by their trauma such as there are so

02:05:29.380 many entrepreneurs out there who are multi-millionaires now because of the drive that they had when they

02:05:34.500 grew up in poverty where they grew up in a abusive household okay so drive but wait really quick on

02:05:39.380 that and i'll let you continue uh most men at least and at least for me i don't care about a woman's 1.00

02:05:45.300 like career ambitions and drive for success and like that's not an attraction trigger i understand

02:05:54.180 that but that's so that's great but but i i get that like trauma can be a motivator in life for you to

02:06:01.700 succeed but you have to remember i'm i'm looking at this through a dating paradigm and a dating lens

02:06:06.740 yeah no if it's the case that men are typically not attracted to you you as women when it comes to your 0.69

02:06:11.780 career ambition yeah so success how that wouldn't be like if you're gonna make a convincing argument

02:06:18.100 yeah okay well brian you should like okay i don't care about i'll apply it into a different context

02:06:23.460 and she has drive like you know for example like what i've seen typically of people who had some

02:06:28.660 sort of trauma they can have really deep morals and expectations of how they expect their family to

02:06:33.860 be raised how they expect to raise their children they become there's so many parents out there who are

02:06:39.300 not uh who have not gone through trauma who are bad parents because they didn't they just got a

02:06:44.740 little bit lazy but you see some people who have been traumatized who've had bad parents who go to

02:06:48.820 parenting classes who take child psychology courses who are actively trying to be better daters in fact

02:06:55.380 what i've seen is that people who have had bad dating experiences who intentionally go to therapy and

02:07:00.820 into coaching to become better people and to stop having these dating experiences actually learn how to

02:07:06.020 date better and how to be better partners because they know what toxicity looks like and they're

02:07:11.300 deciding to make a change so i'm not saying that every single person who's traumatized automatically

02:07:16.100 makes them a better partner i'm saying that a person who has worked through their trauma and has become

02:07:20.660 a better person for it it matters who they are now not happen to them one exception that i could

02:07:26.500 possibly see is that if somebody just has a preference for their partner to have a healthy family dynamic

02:07:32.980 like so let's say they um their father is really abusive is a drug addict takes lots of money

02:07:38.820 i'm not saying that this is a valid reason to like or a that everybody should deny it because of this

02:07:45.460 person but i can understand how it could be a preference that if you don't want to date somebody who has

02:07:49.780 family issues well okay so i can see this going both ways though so let let me give the example of

02:07:56.260 somebody who has an alcoholic father you can see two things happening from that you can see

02:08:02.420 the manifestation of being in like an abusive household with an alcoholic father it can go

02:08:08.740 two ways it can be that person becomes never even touches alcohol becomes sober and makes a promise

02:08:15.860 to themselves and their family that they will never repeat that same thing but then we also see the other

02:08:21.220 thing where they also follow that pattern of um what's the word for it pattern of nick cycle i guess yeah

02:08:32.340 where they also become an alcoholic and also and the other thing is when people experience certain traumas

02:08:39.780 and again uh this isn't the case all the time but people will see those not although all the time but

02:08:47.940 sometimes what you witness growing up in a traumatic environment that's the kind of relationship

02:08:53.700 dynamic some people are going to gravitate towards not always sometimes it's the opposite you're like

02:09:00.740 whoa i never want to go have that relationship relationship dynamic but also you see it the other

02:09:07.460 way where it's like and that's kind of what they find attractive in a partner i think it goes both

02:09:12.580 ways because like i grew up in like a traumatic like you know household and like either you repeat

02:09:19.300 that pattern or you want to be the opposite of it but also i think that like there's people who have

02:09:24.420 gone through nothing in their life like you know generally speaking sure and they should go to

02:09:29.700 therapy and they're not good people you know what i mean but like just because they don't have

02:09:35.540 trauma doesn't mean they're a good person and just because someone has trauma doesn't mean they're

02:09:39.780 a bad partner or bad person sure well yeah you can make an argument as follows yeah somebody who's

02:09:46.180 lived a really sheltered life might not have uh they could potentially lack in empathy they might

02:09:54.820 you know be kind of obnoxious or bratty or whatever it is or they might you know if they grew up like

02:10:00.500 super spoiled or rich that can come with its own sort of negative personality traits but i think like i

02:10:07.700 guess what's the entailment here is should then we seek out people who have been traumatized because

02:10:13.700 they make better partners i think is that the entailment of the position you shouldn't write

02:10:18.260 someone off for their that's fair yeah that's fair the whole thing is like who are they right now

02:10:24.660 not what happened to them not what they experienced how did they respond to it and who are they now

02:10:28.820 because if they can respond to their trauma and decide to take responsibility this idea this idea of

02:10:33.620 perfect healing i'm not sure if i buy into it because i do think that i do think that these

02:10:41.220 traumas even if you've been to therapy they can rear their ugly heads and can manifest down the road

02:10:49.700 in a relationship so if you have the option of dating somebody who's like gone through a bunch of 0.83

02:10:54.500 shit uh versus somebody who hasn't and you can make that determination i'm not saying that they're a 0.84

02:11:00.660 bad person but we all look we're all very selfish and greedy when it comes to who we're gonna date 0.89

02:11:07.220 spend our time with be intimate with we're all very very selfish so i'm just saying i think it's a

02:11:13.780 it's okay to make a determination of like i'd prefer to date somebody who hasn't had a bunch of trauma

02:11:18.260 yeah and also i think trauma tends to masculinize it never feminizes typically so when men have gone 0.98

02:11:27.060 through a bunch of fucking shit they become rough around the edges which i think women tend to find 1.00

02:11:32.100 more attractive it's it's within the masculine paradigm when women become traumatized they also 1.00

02:11:37.780 fall more into their masculine i generally speaking like a really rough woman doesn't come off super 1.00

02:11:45.460 feminine to me like who's been through some fucking shit okay so you're saying though that if a man's been 0.99

02:11:51.300 through a bunch of stuff and they're he becomes more masculine yeah and then god forbid a woman 1.00

02:11:56.260 goes through a bunch of shit and then you're not attracted to them like so i actually i have actually 0.77

02:12:01.780 direct experience just just one thing but i'll let you go ahead so again and it's not always the case 0.98

02:12:06.260 also i would actually say you actually can see hyper femininity in in women who have been traumatized

02:12:12.660 especially in early age for example this is one indicator um that i've noticed is have you ever met

02:12:18.340 a girl with like a really high-pitched baby voice some people theorize that some people theorize that

02:12:25.860 this is due to the fact that they were traumatized at that age and their vocal development uh has kind

02:12:33.380 of stuck got glued to the kind of age at which they were traumatized and so you see this and it's a

02:12:40.260 terror it's i'm not like poking fun at this it's a terrible thing that they're traumatized but their voice

02:12:46.340 kind of gets it gets stuck and uh that is kind of an indicator and they go like kind of in this

02:12:51.780 more hyper feminine direction so it can also like abnormal psychology go there too okay well yeah i was

02:12:57.860 just making the point that like yeah you said it makes man more attractive when they go through

02:13:02.420 trauma so people in the chat are less attractive what's that i was saying oh yeah well i guess um

02:13:09.940 so like that's that's kind of up no well but is it true so i work in the dating space and

02:13:15.860 specifically with helping people break trauma and get out of anxious styles avoidance styles and

02:13:20.980 help them become secure so i have direct experience with this and what i've seen as i've seen both of

02:13:26.100 the ends for for what brian was talking about where men who have gone through significant trauma

02:13:31.300 will shut down they won't express their emotions but i've also seen the opposite side of it where they

02:13:36.100 become hyper feminized like you know where they're really emotional they're really like obsessing about

02:13:41.940 their partner and their ex and being very anxious and always asking for reassurance and i've also

02:13:47.220 seen the opposite with women where women can become either hyper masculine where they're mothering their 1.00

02:13:51.620 partner they're in their ceo girl boss type thing in their relationships and also the opposite where

02:13:57.460 they're really needy they're really clingy they're really people pleasing and so like regardless first and

02:14:04.340 foremost like i mean trauma affects people in both ways like you know and it's i believe that you

02:14:11.380 attract who you are not what you want not what fulfills you what will make you happy but who you are so

02:14:16.420 if you're somebody who is deeply traumatized and still laying out the triggers you're going to repeat

02:14:20.580 the pattern that you had with your parents if you've worked through your stuff and you have

02:14:25.300 become secure i see this again all the time with my clients you start to attract secure partners where

02:14:31.460 they don't even they might not even not even share the fact that they have gone through traumatizing

02:14:35.940 experiences because they just don't relate to it anymore it doesn't matter it's not who they are

02:14:39.140 anymore yeah do you think that most people are actively trying to heal themselves like do you

02:14:43.460 guys think that you if you have trauma do you think you're healed do you think you're i don't think

02:14:47.140 i'm healed i don't think you'll ever fully be healed it's just like something's always going to stay

02:14:51.860 with you yeah i go to therapy i'm on like medication i journal i do things they're healthy it's like

02:14:59.460 it's not just like so linear like of course i have good days i have bad days but like i'm actively

02:15:05.380 trying to heal but i'm also open about my experiences it's not that like that's who i am

02:15:10.340 because i might i've grown since then but i think it is still a part of why i am the way i am and

02:15:16.820 i think like the idea that like trauma makes girls more masculine like i could see where that's some 0.99

02:15:21.940 people but personally i think my trauma made me more feminine and softer like i understand other people

02:15:27.540 more i'm more empathetic that's good i'm like you know so because i've gone through things so i don't

02:15:33.220 judge other people no yeah i just big disagree on the like relationship part where like trauma makes

02:15:40.740 men more attractive and then trauma makes women less attractive that's just very subjective

02:15:46.420 i personally like people have been through something i mean even if they haven't doesn't

02:15:50.020 mean i'm not going to date them but personally like someone i can relate to on some level of course

02:15:54.420 obviously we date people we can relate to on something if they've never been through

02:15:58.340 anything they're not going to understand what i've been through trauma gives you character i don't

02:16:01.460 know yeah like i don't have you ever met someone who's just like so sheltered and you're just like

02:16:06.900 yeah okay they're like i i stubbed my toe today yeah like they're genuinely like the most boring

02:16:13.060 people ever but it's like i don't know i'm like just got back from therapy uh no like i stubbed my toe

02:16:18.660 like literally i think i think the most interesting people i've ever met were people that had to like

02:16:23.140 go through a bunch of shit and had to like also you know pull themselves back up yeah it speaks volumes 0.95

02:16:28.420 when they do too so it's like that speaks that's a strong ass person like they pulled themselves out 0.99

02:16:34.580 of the like gutter basically yeah which i did it by themselves i've met other people like this but

02:16:39.700 usually people like meet me just for example but like there's other people i know like it's like

02:16:44.180 when they meet me i'm like so bubbly and like fun and like social and then like they find out some

02:16:49.780 things i've been through they're like i would have never guessed you've been through that and it's

02:16:53.380 like i think that's a very admirable trait like that's what makes me soft and understanding and i

02:16:59.860 can like connect with so many different people yeah not to say that trauma is a good thing well yeah

02:17:04.420 it's not a bad thing it's not something we can control with it yeah it's like you're either

02:17:09.940 would you trust somebody that hasn't gone through trauma sure to handle trauma though to handle it

02:17:14.900 it depends on how they react that's a great question that this goes down to their moral

02:17:19.220 character and their values meaning that are can they have patience like you know can they communicate

02:17:23.780 can they have understanding do they have tolerance like you know for it and so you'll get to learn

02:17:28.500 more about that like through their actions and who they are as a human how they interact with you

02:17:32.420 yeah so you work with families do you think that people who are suffering mentally should be having kids

02:17:37.620 i don't think so i would say that if you are a parent you have a yeah if you are a parent you

02:17:45.620 have a responsibility to try to become the best parent that you can possibly be to give your

02:17:49.620 children a good life i think there are a lot of people out there who should not be parents who are

02:17:53.860 parents and they don't even are aware of the fact of what they should be doing to be parents

02:17:58.260 does that mean reproduction is going to stop no

02:18:00.660 no no well i i love this take because i'm pretty sure that i'm the only one at this table that has

02:18:07.540 a kid yeah yeah so i have a seven month old i've been through a lot of stuff my parents weren't the

02:18:11.940 best parents but i think that makes me a better parent because i'm so self-aware about it rather

02:18:16.980 than like repeating you're not healed yet so does that make you a good parent yeah i'm still good as

02:18:22.820 long as she's self-aware about her behavior and doesn't project it onto her children i don't think it's

02:18:26.740 just really hard to keep it under control at all times i think that you should really really focus

02:18:31.540 on trying to heal yourself when you're going to have a kid because you can ruin your kid's life

02:18:35.380 i think that also calls into question like what is healed enough that's what i was gonna say i don't

02:18:39.540 i don't think fully healed ever i don't think the word yet should come after that sentence because i

02:18:44.820 think healing comes in layers and i don't think it ever stops if you're actively working on it cool

02:18:50.580 by all means that person deserves their flowers because i one have never met anyone that's not

02:18:55.940 traumatized right you guys can point me in the direction you guys are talking about this

02:19:00.340 imaginary person literally but two i also have never met anyone who's fully healed therapy or not

02:19:07.140 church or not anything like no matter what way you do it journaling prayer whatever it is it's an

02:19:13.220 active action so to tell somebody you're not complete because you're not done yet on a race that's never

02:19:21.620 finished yeah what i will say is that there becomes a certain point of healing because i had a lot of

02:19:27.060 different traumas in my life abandonment traumas all sorts of stuff we don't have to talk about

02:19:31.140 but like there was a certain point in my healing cycle where i now identify as somebody who is secure

02:19:37.940 somebody who is confident in themselves and yes like you know i experience layers like you know where

02:19:42.820 something old will come up but i can regulate myself and i can and it's it went from something where

02:19:47.700 i would have like a panic attack to now like oh i feel that that's a little bit uncomfortable now i'm

02:19:51.940 moving forward so um i guess to finish off the convo really quick uh yeah generally i think

02:20:01.460 at least my preference i think most men are gonna say probably prefer to date women with less trauma

02:20:09.220 versus more trauma i and i think this is a perfectly acceptable metric whether you're a man or a woman

02:20:14.740 i mean as women you also should have maybe concerns about dating men with trauma too

02:20:21.380 i don't think it necessarily has to define you i think people can work through their trauma but

02:20:30.180 red flag pretty big red flag also i think i was trying to get into this i don't really think a lot

02:20:37.620 of people really figure out their trauma that's fair i don't know like all these people in

02:20:44.580 therapy like they're there to figure something out solve something do they ever solve it like for

02:20:53.780 example for example i'll give you an example i think trauma can cause certain mental illnesses

02:21:00.020 and i think it can cause certain personality disorders if you've experienced trauma one of

02:21:04.420 these personality disorders is narcissism being a narcissist or having narcissistic personality

02:21:12.820 disorder therapy is completely ineffective with narcissists what therapy does is teach narcissists

02:21:21.380 how to be better narcissists it literally does this is not an exaggeration this is real and they'll

02:21:27.700 actually use what they learn in therapy to become better narcissists and manipulate you further so

02:21:36.500 this idea of working through your trauma going to therapy i typically don't find it

02:21:41.300 super effective um i think a lot of people go to therapy i think there are some things where therapy does work

02:21:48.900 uh like if you're tackling a specific thing there are some forms of therapy that are helpful

02:21:53.940 i think talk therapy is oftentimes pretty so i think therapy does a really great job of

02:22:01.540 understanding why you do what you do and where that it came from however i'm not a big fan of therapy

02:22:07.620 when it comes to actually healing because to me in my opinion if you're with a therapist for over 30

02:22:12.900 years unless you're just doing it because you have a good relationship if you're still working through 0.92

02:22:16.420 the same shit you're not working through your shit i'm like so that's why i've always liked the the 0.99

02:22:21.140 coaching approach because coaching is way more about changing your identity from being the traumatized 1.00

02:22:27.060 person to what would it feel like think like and how would i act and move in the world if i actually

02:22:31.860 was no longer affected by this yeah you can't just talk to someone you have to do the work okay i want to

02:22:36.740 ask the table here a question uh have any of you dated a narcissist yes yes show of hands can i get a

02:22:43.220 show of hands possibly raise them high raise them high is that everybody oops didn't mean to do that

02:22:48.820 what did i do did i just wait everybody here yes yes yes i don't like calling him a narcissist but

02:22:57.380 like that's what people tell me like he is a narcissist i'm like yeah he got diagnosed he

02:23:01.780 got diagnosed so what i was gonna ask you self-diagnosed i was gonna ask you of all the

02:23:05.780 narcissists you've dated whether it's one whether it's one whether it's multiple were they diagnosed as

02:23:12.420 a narcissist or did you just attribute that label to them okay no he was legit diagnosed okay what about

02:23:17.780 you isabella schizophrenic diagnosed but i think he was a narcissist too so oh he was diagnosed schizo 0.85

02:23:23.940 did you how long did you date him uh a year like a year yeah a year and you knew how soon into dating

02:23:30.660 him did you know he was okay i didn't know for a minute and i found out his dad was schizophrenic

02:23:34.900 and then i found out eventually you know chat is it fair to not want to date somebody who's been

02:23:41.860 diagnosed with schizophrenia i think that's fair i think it's a safety issue yeah uh what about you

02:23:50.740 was he diagnosed as a narcissist however i in my yeah okay yeah but in my experience like and i don't

02:23:59.620 know if this is like an opinion overall but as like a super soft empathetic person usually like

02:24:06.580 narcissists they seek that out because they can take advantage of that because like you're the

02:24:12.420 opposite of them they're attracted to that okay they're not going to ever date another narcissist

02:24:17.300 yeah that would be like the most worst relationship wait you've only dated one narcissist yes only one

02:24:23.300 whether diagnosed or he was diagnosed but yes closer to us get the mic to the edge of the table uh

02:24:28.820 yeah he was diagnosed only one just one one for you one narcissist schizophrenic or just one how many

02:24:37.700 narcissists have you dated all of them yeah that's it wait really yeah and i promise it's not me because

02:24:43.780 i'm so i'm nice okay uh so how many narcissists have you dated dated talked to like at least like

02:24:55.380 eight i don't know it's a guesstimate like eight okay what about you just one but he wasn't diagnosed

02:25:00.580 i tried like to drag him to therapy or like any type of help but he wouldn't so you can't get

02:25:06.660 diagnosed without going to get help uh what about you you said you dated was it just the one narcissist

02:25:11.140 one alleged narcissist okay what about you one who i think was avoidantly attached with

02:25:17.620 narcissistic tendencies i'll clarify yeah narcissistic tendencies emphasis on that okay what about you

02:25:22.660 i probably last couple last couple guys were narcissists possible about you just one i'm

02:25:28.820 just gonna title him a narcissist but not not diagnosed no no diagnosed she's diagnosed

02:25:34.660 i had one legitimate diagnosis y'all uh you know i seem the worst i'm like everyone diagnosing

02:25:44.420 so is a narcissist a guy who just disagrees with you is that no

02:25:48.020 no no it goes away it's the way they treat us and the way they act about things also i the last

02:25:55.220 guy like really seriously was with he literally told me he thinks he's a sociopath and he was

02:26:00.500 definitely undiagnosed but he thought he is and he was definitely narcissistic maybe it's narcissistic

02:26:08.020 tendencies maybe have you dated a narcissist yeah um i dated a girl with borderline personality disorder

02:26:16.100 once when i was young that's not the same though no it could be worse i don't know it could be well

02:26:21.300 it might be worse um fair enough yeah i was young though i was a bit naive in that relationship um

02:26:28.500 real quick question because you were talking about like there's some like personality disorders that

02:26:32.100 therapy can't fix which borderline is one of those things like medication can't completely fix it

02:26:38.420 there it's something that someone has always but do you think of that as a negative trait or like

02:26:44.500 do you think that someone could like turn that into being a better person because they're more aware

02:26:51.460 of those traits and themselves uh is it a good trait that they have well could it

02:26:58.420 be a positive thing because they're more like aware nope okay what is it a good thing no mental

02:27:05.300 illness is never a good thing i'm not saying it's a good thing no mental illness never good okay never

02:27:10.740 good yeah i one time i had a girl argue and i got i said this about bipolar and the bipolar community

02:27:18.100 came after me uh and they're like well the all these geniuses and artists are bipolar blah blah i'm like

02:27:26.500 well i mean maybe it's the case that sometimes mental illnesses can manifest itself in

02:27:31.940 exceptionality in certain realms or whatever but uh when it comes to dating i'm good i'm good just

02:27:42.180 give me a base give me basic give me mentally healthy yeah so you don't think someone with like 0.67

02:27:49.140 borderline or bipolar could ever be mentally healthy i think they can well bipolar i believe there's medication

02:27:56.260 for it they can take borderline uh so borderline i'm not i believe yeah there's no medication

02:28:02.020 bipolar there is and so these are um these are personality disorders though right so it falls under

02:28:08.820 sort of under what there's a specific term for it that is kind of evading me but uh they do fall under

02:28:16.340 personality disorders uh so bipolar i do believe there's medication bpd i think you can do

02:28:22.180 you have to do therapy therapy you have to do like what's it called like dpt yeah oh cluster b thank

02:28:29.380 you yes well well yes good job neck wait a minute uh nice yes cluster b personality disorders yeah so um

02:28:41.460 i mean and well there's severity too yeah some is minor some is major generally speaking though

02:28:48.180 there's people who don't have these diseases or they couldn't they're undiagnosed you could just

02:28:56.580 or you could just date look i'm not saying like if somebody's fine with dating somebody who has

02:29:03.780 i'm not saying these people are irredeemable yeah like you can do we not deserve good people

02:29:10.660 uh well i mean when i'm us mentally ill ones this this is never this is never a judgment about

02:29:17.780 somebody's worth as a human being or their value as a human being i'm always approaching it from

02:29:22.820 the dating paradigm you're talking about preference if i had a daughter i would tell my daughter don't

02:29:28.980 date the guy who has schizophrenia yeah i would say don't date the guy who's got xyz issue okay i would 0.98

02:29:37.380 tell her not to do it yeah i'd be i wouldn't do some kumbaya shit well you're like no i'd be like 0.99

02:29:43.220 guy that has a throat tattoo don't yeah i would tell her my family says no face tat guys here's my 0.98

02:29:50.340 if i had a daughter no soundcloud rappers we can all agree on that no rappers period unless uh

02:29:59.780 no tattoo artist don't yeah i'd be like here don't think these guys these guys are these guys um

02:30:06.020 um yeah so anyways well i'm coming from a place just to touch on this and we can move on

02:30:13.380 personally i have bpd however people who know me very personally have known me for a long time

02:30:18.420 like i've been we'll just say gaslit we'll just say that loosely by my friends they've been like i

02:30:23.140 don't really think you have bpd because you're so controlled like i'm very like self-aware i don't

02:30:29.860 like split like on people like when i'm feeling that way i do it alone but like i still have it

02:30:36.580 so i get what you're saying like there's levels to it you know but it is something that can't just

02:30:41.220 be healed and that's why i'm in therapy i journal i do the self-work personally but it's still present

02:30:47.460 in me but just because like someone wouldn't guess i have it okay you know sure but like if i were to

02:30:53.460 tell someone i have bpd and they just wrote me off that'd be like well you didn't even really get to know

02:30:57.940 i mean i'll just be super blunt and honest with you if a girl told me she has bpd i'm done but

02:31:05.700 it's i'm not gonna it's valid but you know it's not her fault because it comes from i'm not saying

02:31:10.580 she's just not the one for me well yeah no she can i'm not saying like maybe there's a guy out

02:31:16.340 there who's okay with it yeah no no no but i'm speaking for me yeah i wish you the best yeah you're

02:31:22.420 a lot of a preference there's not everything i'm not dating another girl with bpd um yeah i did it

02:31:28.180 once yeah it can be very young very naive brian are you traumatized you seem a little traumatized

02:31:36.500 i mean luckily luckily luckily for me the girl i did date who had bpd it was fairly mild but even that

02:31:44.180 was traumatizing no it's okay i want to have trauma i don't like this and i know you're not

02:31:52.100 trying to like actually do this yeah i don't like the terms trauma and abuse because it gets overused 0.95

02:32:00.020 so for example if somebody's an asshole to me and they could be a major asshole yeah i would never 0.99

02:32:06.820 categorize that as i was abused or i experienced trauma i think in relationships people can be jerks 1.00

02:32:17.620 they can be assholes and sometimes that can pass through the threshold to abuse depending on what 0.99

02:32:24.900 they do but i'd say generally speaking if a guy was a jerk or an asshole to you that isn't depends on 0.99

02:32:31.540 the context and all the criteria that doesn't pass into the threshold of abuse i do think the term's 0.98

02:32:38.740 been overused and then it invalidates actual can i have you tilt your mic down down yeah tilt it down 0.98

02:32:46.900 yeah yeah so i do yeah it invalidates one thing one okay just to be clear i think it's bad to be a jerk 0.97

02:32:56.100 or an asshole yeah but i don't think we should i don't think we should categorize all wrongs under 0.93

02:33:02.900 one umbrella of trauma or abuse i agree so so uh well i think but it can like the 0.99

02:33:10.740 asshole behavior can't like depend on what i would need certain it can cross into the threshold

02:33:18.020 but i wouldn't just say like if what for example let me ask you guys this you were in a you dated a guy

02:33:23.940 for one year and for most of the year it was great but like three times both of you raised your voices

02:33:31.460 at each other like three times during an argument i don't think either person or even if it was one

02:33:37.060 directional like it was the guy raised his voice to his girlfriend three times i don't think that was

02:33:42.420 abuse i don't think that's abuse i yeah i dated a guy for like two years and yeah we had like

02:33:48.100 arguments here and there but like i don't think he was abusive at all right like i would never

02:33:52.740 categorize him or if the girl was like yeah i did crash out sometimes and yeah i was kind of crazy

02:34:00.420 but like i don't think he'd categorize me no i think it depends on intent i think that like if

02:34:05.380 you're trying to intimidate or scare that person or make them feel not safe then yeah i think that's a

02:34:10.580 little abusive i wouldn't say it's inherently an abusive but like there's a reason why you can get

02:34:15.300 arrested for it like because you can get arrested for like raising your voice and like scaring someone

02:34:21.380 still like a domestic violence well the context the context matters exactly so there could be a

02:34:27.220 specific scenario like for example if even if it's not just the singular instance like if you murder

02:34:34.820 somebody and that happened one time that's abuse i mean that's definitely abusive unless it's self-defense

02:34:40.980 like well sure yeah but i think you know you otherwise had like a good relationship and one

02:34:47.300 or two times like one time you you guys both raised your voices or something yeah sure neither of you

02:34:54.500 were in an abusive in that context i think that's totally fine i just think it means intent you know

02:34:59.140 i mean like it depends on your intent like me being four ten if i had like a six five boyfriend and he

02:35:05.700 was like getting my face yelling at me i think that's a little abusive i don't think it is abuse

02:35:10.980 but i think that's abusive tendencies because then i feel unsafe okay and i think it can like it can get

02:35:17.860 worse like that's the first part so you're saying there can be a specific act which is abusive but it

02:35:24.020 doesn't mean generally well yeah because if you lay your hands on someone sorry i'm so sorry you can

02:35:29.620 speak in a second i know you've been trying to talk i'm so sorry um i think like i mean because when

02:35:35.380 you're talking to someone that way and raising you're trying to like intimidate them and make

02:35:39.700 them feel scared i think like that's the same thing as like hitting them one time you're trying

02:35:45.860 to like you're trying to control them and put them in like a box of like not crossing you again you

02:35:52.580 know like you're trying to control them and hurt them whether it's emotionally or physically so i think

02:35:57.540 the line here is that again two people can go through the exact same situation in the exact same

02:36:02.340 circumstances and have an entirely different response meaning that they can date the same

02:36:06.820 person and be yelled at and screamed at and one person will be completely fine and the other person

02:36:11.060 will be traumatized because it's not just about the experience it's about how their nervous system

02:36:16.260 changes in response to that experience it is something that is a chemical change that happens

02:36:20.580 in their brain and their body and their hormone hormones it activates fight or flight and that is

02:36:26.260 enough to be considered somebody having a traumatizing experience does it necessarily mean

02:36:33.540 that the person who caused the traumatizing experience is necessarily in the wrong or did

02:36:38.660 something bad or did something evil or was trying to create that no but you can be traumatized by

02:36:45.700 something and that's your responsibility to work through that to make your river system feel safe again

02:36:50.580 wait wait wait one clarifying question on this so you're saying that the trauma is subjective

02:36:57.940 based on the person's reaction to it so for example like if i was in a relationship with a girl

02:37:04.420 and i tickled her once and you know i tickled her side or whatever and to her that was traumatic

02:37:14.820 is she objectively traumatized so i mean it would depend on the response but like let me give you

02:37:21.860 an example let's say let me add some context okay sure sure so let's say as a child as a form of

02:37:26.500 punishment i guess we're gonna we're in a tickling scenario but let's say as a form of punishment

02:37:31.060 she would get tickled but to the point where like tickling was a form of torture and back in the day so

02:37:36.180 let's say like that i mean like you tickle for three seconds wait wait wait just give me a second

02:37:40.260 just give me a second so which is so back then she was tickled to the point of being traumatized

02:37:45.380 sure okay and then what happens with you brian is that if you tickle her it brings her nervous system

02:37:50.980 back to that part because she hasn't she hasn't worked through her stuff and she still has that

02:37:55.700 trigger that doesn't mean that you were an abusive partner that means that that's a trigger but she

02:38:00.740 has a trauma but it could be re-traumatizing for her i see what you're saying okay um well would it be

02:38:06.900 would it be abuse though so that's where i think only if you did it like knowingly like knowing

02:38:15.860 it's a trigger no not if you didn't know it was like your first time like i told you yeah if you

02:38:20.980 were just tickling her as fun like for to be funny or whatever and she got and she got triggered

02:38:25.460 that's her responsibility and that's not you being an abuser no okay well i don't think it's her

02:38:30.020 responsibility i feel like for a lot of people triggers don't just go away at all yeah just be like

02:38:34.340 your decision at that point if you're willing to stay with her and work through not doing that

02:38:38.500 or if you're going to do that intentionally then that is a little abusive sure like in partnership

02:38:42.660 yes if your partner has triggers like you know that's something to take account of and while

02:38:46.500 they're working through it your partner should be considerate of that yeah like you know and what i

02:38:50.980 will say is that again i work with people who are traumatized all the time and triggers all that

02:38:55.620 really means is that there's something within your nervous system that doesn't feel regulated and that

02:38:59.460 doesn't feel seen and is still reliving that trauma so you have to do some deep somatic work

02:39:04.820 but it's possible to not be trigger exactly exactly and like another thing that i've learned about is

02:39:10.740 like exposure therapy which is super like scary and unfortunate but if you like do it the right way

02:39:16.340 i think like if you had a partner that really just they like to tickle you you know like as long as

02:39:21.860 you're working through it i think that's okay but like if they're doing it intentionally with intent to

02:39:27.380 upset you and trigger you then i think that's an abusive characteristic uh jj thank you for the

02:39:32.420 gifted 10 memberships i do appreciate that we have a couple chats i need to read here we have blah

02:39:37.380 fest uh isabella can i have you read these yeah if you don't see a red flag which is comfortable

02:39:42.740 looking like she has been slapped in the face by a taco box you'll learn what this came in about an

02:39:49.300 hour ago um i don't know if it was about the tattoo discussion uh we have this one coming in from

02:39:55.140 roma army if you can read it all right these women are doing everything they can to avoid saying 1.00

02:40:01.300 it's okay when i do it to men but i'm offended when it's done to me they aren't intelligent or

02:40:06.100 even feminist they're bigots in lip gloss lip gloss she really feels very strongly about this

02:40:11.140 thank you chloe oh can you read this one from base thor thank you man and you look good uh hey

02:40:21.380 posghetti it's nice to see you on the panel again you look great but i but you look better sitting in

02:40:27.060 the passenger seat of my car though but i don't know if i want you wearing my ex's underwear when i see 0.96

02:40:31.380 you what does that mean base thor do you know base thor no what the fuck what were you wearing 0.97

02:40:40.580 ex's underwear yeah what what is a different story from a different podcast sitting in my passenger seat 0.99

02:40:47.460 wearing ex's underwear wait oh you wore wait pause tell us the story super quick tell us the story

02:41:00.100 um i i had a situationship and one of the times i went over to his house i found another girl's panties

02:41:08.260 on his couch in his bedroom and i didn't want to like confront him about it just yet so the next time

02:41:14.340 i went over i i wore them you cleaned it though right yeah yeah that's all i care about you know 0.81

02:41:24.340 like did he notice wait here's the important question did you have sex with him yes but did

02:41:32.180 he notice so just a recap recap here she you were dating this guy was it your boyfriend um no guy you

02:41:40.500 were saying yeah she discovers another girl's panties she she swipes the panties then the next time 1.00

02:41:47.940 she sees them she wears the panties to confront him like gotcha then she fucks him 1.00

02:41:56.100 pass come on when you put it like that well but to acknowledge that guy's comment just don't have 0.93

02:42:01.300 you showed him you showed him really showed him yeah uh isabella can you read this one yeah to call

02:42:11.940 someone who hasn't gone through trauma as quote-unquote boring is incredibly disingenuous if parents were

02:42:17.380 able to shield and protect children from their traumas of the world inside and out of the home

02:42:21.540 i would call that person blessed not boring i agree you can be both

02:42:25.300 oh we still have chloe in the chat thank you chloe i'm surprised she hasn't come for me uh she 1.00

02:42:33.620 hasn't come for me for my takes on tattoos yeah that was the girl you were talking about with the 1.00

02:42:38.020 necktie right well she was on the show yeah uh isabella can you read this one sorry guys i don't know

02:42:44.180 that sent so many times lmao but either way it's enough for champagne pops for the girls or not so

02:42:49.460 the champagne pops have to be they have to be a thousand in as an individual send there's another

02:42:58.420 option chloe i don't know if you're into cryptocurrency we have for one ethereum and the wallet is in the

02:43:03.780 description we have a ball of crystal which is one of the uh most expensive balls of you know it's like

02:43:10.900 500 ball of champagne uh wait hold on we have two people who can't underage but whatever uh the other

02:43:19.140 the other panelists they can have some champagne so chloe if you so chloe if you want to send in 0.96

02:43:25.060 a champagne pop it's uh it's 999 for a regular bottle for one ethereum uh prices are a bit high

02:43:32.580 on ethereum right now we'll pop a ball of champagne in your honor for either of them and that'd be very

02:43:40.260 generous and kind of you chloe but uh i guess really quick to finish off on the piercings and tattoo

02:43:46.180 conversation uh i mean i think we kind of didn't we finish that it's a while ago i think you brought

02:43:54.260 back up because of chloe but i think no no not because of chloe i think you maybe asked me a

02:43:58.180 question like okay why why is it a red flag yeah what does it convey what is it oh i think the final

02:44:03.460 thing i want to say on this tattoos piercings uh so men you know we typically we care about body count 0.98

02:44:09.780 we don't want to date a strumpet and um what is a strumpet it's a polite way to say uh a woman who's 1.00

02:44:20.100 a help basically promiscuous yeah it's probably the nicest way to say it okay i'm sorry i don't know

02:44:27.780 all the lingo but so i think one of the prejudgments that you might get from somebody who

02:44:32.820 has a lot of tattoos is promiscuity but where does that come from where does that come from

02:44:43.060 yeah because all of my tattoos are family common sense i guess common sense i don't think that's

02:44:48.100 common sense when i see look when i see a girl who's blasted who's got a neck tattoo my first like 1.00

02:44:54.100 i'm not immediately thinking virgin i'm thinking i'm thinking she's a she's fucked a bit so what if 1.00

02:45:02.740 i think that's what it is i've never i've never seen this like in public like i've never seen any 0.97

02:45:08.660 kind of correlation between tattoos and like promiscuity there's a for sure correlation from

02:45:13.780 where where does that come from what do you mean where does it come from where does that association

02:45:18.500 come from i think that's just your assumption no yeah that's your assumption from your own

02:45:23.460 experience which is totally okay i feel like that definitely stems from can i ask you a question so

02:45:28.260 if you saw a guy who had a clean cut haircut and no tattoos versus a guy i don't know what his hair

02:45:36.020 foot whatever fuck boy haircut whatever i don't know and he's just blasted in tattoos if you had to 0.97

02:45:44.180 make a guess between two of which one had slept with more women if you had to lean like is it the 0.99

02:45:51.940 guy double no wait wait hold on if you had to lean in one direction to which guy is more has slept with

02:45:58.660 more women would it be the guy with the tattoos or the guy with no tattoos you're not gonna like my hot 1.00

02:46:04.260 take but first of all want to establish i don't think there's any association but i associate clean

02:46:09.540 guys with being a frat guy which i associate with promiscuity i was about to say pretty boys can be 0.97

02:46:14.980 little hoes that makes me more inclined to think that he's a man whore and it's a funny thing to ask 1.00

02:46:21.460 because like it's kind of joking but i am being serious a guy with a clean cut no tattoos i probably 0.97

02:46:26.820 wouldn't even notice so i don't really know what about this then and i'll continue to engage with

02:46:32.100 you on on the tattoo thing what about a woman who has nipple piercings do you think that this is 1.00

02:46:37.780 potentially an indicator of a greater level of promiscuity i've never i don't see an association

02:46:43.860 what about tongue piercing no i don't see an association i'm not gonna know if i have nipple 0.98

02:46:47.860 piercings unless you see my nipples though yeah they're visible you've already gone that far 0.98

02:46:54.900 then you're looking at my boobs through a shirt absolutely okay cool not with that skims bra now 0.92

02:47:03.300 look i think again it's so okay how about this it's technically possible that a woman could have 0.63

02:47:10.980 hundreds of tattoos and all these piercings and be a virgin i wouldn't bet on it well sure but like 0.96

02:47:18.820 nipple piercings she's probably like i feel like that goes either way i have a question why would you 0.98

02:47:24.820 want someone that's a virgin you can make that why would you want someone that's a virgin that's kind 0.93

02:47:29.620 of weird that's a little especially i just like to point out that brian's argument is kind of going

02:47:37.220 against his own thing which he stated earlier that men are less attracted to women with tattoos but

02:47:42.100 they are somehow more promiscuous wait so more men want them because they're promiscuous because 1.00

02:47:47.380 they're sleeping with all these men that want them right is that what you're saying i don't know what

02:47:52.180 your logical reasoning is i'm open to you explaining but your what your original statement without tattoos

02:47:57.300 was that i think for most men that tattoos are either a neutral or a negative so i would be less

02:48:02.340 attracted to somebody with tattoos however somehow having tattoos as a woman means that you would be

02:48:07.860 if you're less attractive you should be getting less sex right if that's your view of how men view women

02:48:17.620 how are they more promiscuous the logic he said neutral so the logic there is is flawed uh so i think

02:48:25.620 men have differing preferences and dating or in different dating and sexual strategies so for

02:48:32.180 example men will regularly have sex with women who they will never consider for long-term relationship

02:48:38.820 so my paradigm uh there's no dispute that women who have tattoos can get laid uh any woman and there's 0.99

02:48:48.420 all kinds of factors here uh even like women who aren't even physically attractive can be massive sluts 1.00

02:48:54.740 obese women can be massive sluts can't really say the same about guys really when it comes to like 1.00

02:49:02.020 attraction but that's a different conversation so that's kind of where i'm coming at it from 0.99

02:49:08.180 like there's no dispute that women with tattoos can get laid i don't dispute that 1.00

02:49:14.420 but when it comes to what men prefer and find attractive especially as it relates to

02:49:20.020 long-term relationships then men are going to probably more so prioritize

02:49:27.460 certain things like for me personally if a girl's a strumpet if a girl's blasting tattoos like that 1.00

02:49:35.460 makes no really doesn't make a difference when it comes to like am i because okay for me i don't

02:49:41.860 i'm not interested in a one-night stand like if i want to sleep with a girl i want there to be 0.99

02:49:47.220 continuity i'm not going to sleep with a girl once just to do it wasting my time so baked into my

02:49:53.620 perspective there is this component if if i'm looking at a girl it's not just well i'm just 0.98

02:49:59.780 trying to fuck her so i don't really i'm gonna like i'm gonna give her a pass on the tattoos or the bpd 1.00

02:50:06.340 if i sleep with a girl why are you talking about me yeah oh my god she fits the bill right yeah i'm 1.00

02:50:15.140 literally i'm that so my paradigm is the women i sleep with is also the women i want to be in a 0.97

02:50:22.180 relationship with yeah i don't want to just fuck a girl once like then i could lower my standards i 0.99

02:50:28.500 guess and just be like well okay whatever she's got tattoos she's not long-term potential whatever 0.99

02:50:33.460 i'll fuck her anyways that's not what i want to do so that's my paradigm but i i think even guys 1.00

02:50:40.100 who are more inclined to casual sex they could even still i here i guess i'd frame it like this 0.99

02:50:45.620 even i think guys who are inclined to just sleeping with a girl once if they can do it they still

02:50:52.580 probably would have a preference for getting with the girl who also meets their long-term standards like

02:51:00.420 if they could have the girl for a long-term relationship but also the girl for casual

02:51:06.820 sex who also meets the criteria for what makes a good woman for a long-term relationship they would 0.99

02:51:12.420 pick it but that would reduce their potential pool of casual sexual partners if they only would have 0.74

02:51:19.220 sex with women even casually who met their criteria for long-term relationship i think it

02:51:24.820 just come down to type what your type is to add to that though last thing is i would say for example

02:51:30.980 you might some guys might say well uh who are you going to pick for a one night stand though the girl 1.00

02:51:36.260 who's like fucked a bunch of dudes or the girl who hasn't who's a virgin i would argue if the guy 0.96

02:51:43.300 could get a virgin for one night stands even if the sex would arguably be like she wouldn't be as good 0.94

02:51:49.700 in bed a lot of guys are picking the virgin if if she is available for one night stand most virgins 0.99

02:51:56.740 are not going to have a one night stand some will but overwhelmingly most guys will pick the virgin

02:52:02.100 for the one night stand if they have the option literally why though yeah what's the motivation

02:52:08.180 what do you mean why is it a power thing uh it's a couple things i mean one like somebody who's a virgin

02:52:12.900 doesn't have stds that's kind of a turn on like i feel like that's kind of a big thing like okay

02:52:18.660 like is she clean you don't have stds yeah i think yes i think it's a turn on if a woman 1.00

02:52:26.740 if i feel like safe that i'm not going to get herpes from a woman yeah that's kind of like how

02:52:32.020 old are you when you're looking out for this virgin because like if we're like 26 30 like whatever like

02:52:38.420 you want a virgin at 30 years old very like that's kind of weird in my opinion why is it weird

02:52:45.140 because like i feel like virgin is associated with being younger which doesn't mean it necessarily you

02:52:50.500 can be a virgin be 40 that's fine we've seen the 40 year old virgin but like you do acknowledge like

02:52:56.180 30 year old women can be they can be it's very rare adult women who are 19 20 21 22 can be 0.91

02:53:03.380 virgins i just personally would never look for a virgin man i've never been a virgin i don't want 0.99

02:53:07.860 to yeah but women and men are different we're attracted there's not symmetry in what we find

02:53:12.100 attractive no and that's fair but there's not symmetry overall anyways but like uh-huh i just

02:53:18.020 i don't know like i feel like i'd rather someone be a little experienced as long as they are clean

02:53:22.660 that's cool so again there's not symmetry though i like women too so but you're a woman 1.00

02:53:30.020 one sec i'm gonna let the chat come in and i'll get right to it

02:53:33.540 this donated 200 thank you man appreciate it times have changed when i was young if i saw someone

02:53:39.860 with a neck tattoo they were about to show me a dead body now it just means that they are going to

02:53:45.460 make an amazing latte fair enough i can't make a good latte all right this is real thank you law fest

02:53:53.940 and then uh isabel i'm gonna have you read the one that or wait there's gonna be this then another one

02:53:59.780 that's below and then we have one from chloe so don't read this one thank you pasty though

02:54:06.020 and then we're gonna read one from chloe roma and then we're gonna get into the t-app

02:54:12.340 stuff after we have the convo oh can you read this one yep i'm not into bitcoin sorry brian y'all are

02:54:17.860 doing great if that message comes in again it's a glitch and no i'm not offended brian you're entitled

02:54:22.340 to your opinion yeah and again like it's i can be friends with somebody who's got tattoos just from

02:54:27.700 a dating angle like wouldn't be my preference to date somebody who's got a bunch of tattoos

02:54:33.620 doesn't mean somebody else can date them yeah don't think they're a bad person just

02:54:38.500 not my preference when it comes to dating um okay the now we're getting into body count virgin thing

02:54:44.740 uh sure i'll buy it oh man i'll buy it on this um so you said it's weird just personally that's how i

02:54:50.260 feel okay why why is it weird are you talking about like me taking a man's virginity or a man

02:54:56.020 taking no like looking out for virgins so your position is you think it's weird for a man to

02:55:02.180 prefer prefer or have an attraction for i guess either low body count women or virgin women 1.00

02:55:08.340 i think we just need to normalize hooking up with someone having them get tested like let me see your

02:55:13.060 test results make sure you're clean why should we normalize hooking up hooking up with if you're 1.00

02:55:19.380 going to be having sex with someone i think we should just normalize having them their test like

02:55:24.260 their test results available well you're smuggling in the std component but why should we normalize 0.84

02:55:30.100 like casual sex do you think we all want pleasure and we all have different preferences if you want

02:55:36.180 to have sex with someone specifically when you're in a relationship with them that's okay that's totally

02:55:41.540 okay like i think a big like basis of what we've been talking about is all preference and i think it's

02:55:47.860 totally okay to want to hook up just for sexual pleasure because we're all sexual beings and that's

02:55:54.100 okay okay i mean look people have occasional flings or one night stands or whatever um but when it gets

02:56:01.380 to the point where you're getting you're entering a territory of promiscuity uh i don't think i don't

02:56:07.220 think men and well especially women are not satisfied with this kind of dynamic generally speaking at least

02:56:13.380 that's my sense of it as a woman i know a lot of women that are okay with it actually they'd rather 1.00

02:56:20.100 just hook up yeah sure there are women who are okay with it but generally speaking when i hear complaints 1.00

02:56:25.620 from women uh it's about men not wanting to commit and men being fuck boys so how do you reconcile women's 0.98

02:56:32.580 complaints women's complaints about men not wanting to commit to them and encountering these 0.99

02:56:39.220 fuck boys who just run through them and just want to use them for sex so reconcile hookup hookups good 0.92

02:56:46.180 but also women upset that men just want to hook up and not commit to them well i can only speak for like 1.00

02:56:53.140 my experience and what i've learned from other women of course this isn't universal however i've experienced

02:56:59.060 men saying they want a relationship to get into a woman's pants and then they that's not really what they

02:57:05.220 want sure okay i so men lying about their intentions yeah yeah that's wrong yeah i shouldn't do that

02:57:13.140 so i think there's a line too between being satisfied and fulfilled i don't think anybody's

02:57:17.540 fulfilled necessarily or not the majority of the population is fulfilled by casual sex but

02:57:22.820 men or women but they can be satisfied and have fun with it just women might be more vocal about it

02:57:28.500 but i think a lot of men are really seeking companionship right now i'm gonna ask you this question

02:57:33.060 then i'll open it up to the panel in terms of what you think would be best for society for creating

02:57:41.140 a high functioning society and a high trust society especially between men and women if you had a lean 0.61

02:57:47.860 in one direction or the other if we had a society that had more of a leaning towards long-term

02:57:54.020 relationships and monogamy versus a society that leans more towards casual sex which society do you think

02:58:01.140 would be better

02:58:05.300 loaded question i'm gonna say long-term relationship is that is it loaded i don't

02:58:09.220 it's a little loaded because i think the cool thing about casual sex is there's more freedom

02:58:13.380 in it okay you know so i think like that might make happier people rather than being like stuck

02:58:20.500 like you know it's not stuck but like you could end up stuck with one person however i think will

02:58:25.220 actually make people like happier long-term is if you're in a long-term relationship it's one that

02:58:30.500 actually makes you happy like a healthy relationship yes i think long-term are you poly just do you do

02:58:37.220 poly dynamics okay no i mean i'm fun but i'm not poly

02:58:41.860 like well i think here's the thing i guess what is the what's the motivation for men to commit if

02:58:53.860 there's just an abundance of casual sex to be had i don't know ask them that okay but

02:59:00.820 companionship i was gonna say the the man if he values something else then it is what it is like

02:59:09.060 if he wants to be a husband if he wants to be a father yeah cool then there's that value but if he

02:59:14.900 doesn't care then be saying that and then they don't care in my experience i don't know i know i

02:59:20.340 know a bunch of great men yeah i'm i'm all for it they want to be husbands they want to be family

02:59:24.740 like they're family men so not even there like even though women throw themselves at them

02:59:32.660 they're still not having it they can say no too so i mean it just depends on that man's value

02:59:38.180 yeah and what he values so back to the virgin thing

02:59:44.980 so so what was your question like why you're asking why men want prefer virgins or whatever i just

02:59:51.220 i don't understand why you would want a virgin specifically why that's as long as someone's

02:59:55.540 clean in my opinion it doesn't matter how many people they've slept with because like

03:00:00.260 even we could go the take that like i mean someone could sleep with one person have an std

03:00:06.180 versus like someone that slept with like 50 people but the difference is if they're clean

03:00:11.460 they're probably they're more than likely not always the case gonna be more more like they're

03:00:16.900 gonna be better in bed and haven't you made arguments that men should have higher body counts

03:00:20.900 no never nope that's another podcast that makes that argument so what i've consistently argument

03:00:27.780 argument argumented argued argued uh i don't think promiscuity is good in men or women okay i don't

03:00:36.900 think men should be promiscuous don't think women should be promiscuous uh this is kind of just in 0.99

03:00:41.620 terms of on an individualistic level but also on a societal level i don't think it's good for society

03:00:47.220 and i don't think it's good on the individual level however the the difference i i do point out

03:00:53.380 between men and women when it comes to promiscuity is well it's a couple things i think that generally

03:01:00.580 speaking as a man if you have been promiscuous you have been with a lot of women women don't aren't

03:01:08.820 going to assess you as harshly than the reverse so men are going to use this they're more likely to use

03:01:14.100 this as a metric for either disqualifying you or just not being as into you or being an issue in

03:01:22.180 the relationship women are far more forgiving of male promiscuity than men are forgiving a female 0.85

03:01:28.020 promiscuity the other kind of distinction i would draw is that in order for a man to be promiscuous

03:01:36.020 that requires some degree of skill or being attractive in some paradigm or metric

03:01:48.180 as a woman to have a high body count you just got to show up you don't you don't even have to be 1.00

03:01:55.220 attractive but like for a guy to be a a slut he's got to be he's bringing like something like he's he's 1.00

03:02:03.540 either got charisma he's got some like some personality or it could be status it could be 0.97

03:02:10.100 or he's just he could just be good looking um it could be all these things but a woman who's just 1.00

03:02:15.220 ugly terrible fucking personality she can she can out compete she can fuck more dudes than 1.00

03:02:23.780 like the top most attractive guys yeah men are easier yeah yeah men are easy right but so 1.00

03:02:30.580 i guess it is a component of like the the there's a difference here in the judgment 0.99

03:02:36.980 like any woman can be a slut most men cannot be sluts well i have a question so do you think this 0.97

03:02:44.260 hookup culture is just like new age or do you think this is something that's going on for a long time 0.99

03:02:49.220 you think we've like lost the idea of like meaningful sex i mean i

03:02:54.020 it depends how far back you want to go people want to point to like social media and dating apps

03:03:00.820 i think people been you know it's it's actually funny somebody convinced me recently to uh i saw

03:03:06.260 it back when it came out sex in the city like if you watch that people are going to clown on me for

03:03:12.820 i watched a couple episodes okay good for you they were they were promiscuous in the show and that show 1.00

03:03:18.980 was reflective of what was going on in that time period obviously it's a fictional show that's you

03:03:26.020 know a bit exaggerated or whatever but people were moving like that back in the early 2000s before social

03:03:32.180 media before dating apps and then you know i can't speak to this but 90s 80s 70s people were promiscuous

03:03:40.820 back then too um i mean we can go as far back as like the mongol like empire the mongol empire 0.89

03:03:50.260 these mongolian women just be sledding around is that what you're saying am i stupid maybe i'm using 1.00

03:03:54.820 the wrong term well but like way back in the day literally like people were well the big factor i 0.95

03:04:00.100 would say is the big factor i would say okay i mean yeah there's probably there's been sluts throughout 1.00

03:04:04.660 history yeah but both show she was a hoe the show back in back in the 1500s right there's always been 0.99

03:04:12.580 prostitutes and but i think the big shift was in the 1960s with the introduction of birth control

03:04:19.380 so prior to birth control when a woman had sex there's a there's like a risk of she could get

03:04:26.900 pregnant now women have way more control over that uh which has kind of opened the floodgates for 1.00

03:04:32.900 promiscuity starting in the 1960s and i'd say that's the big thing you could say like you know

03:04:39.940 certain uh you know the feminist movement that's a component to it the destruction of the 1.00

03:04:45.700 you know the family there were condoms before like birth control and implants and stuff like that

03:04:50.260 and there's always pulling out and natural uh birth like natural planning too and then there's also

03:04:55.940 like uh social stigma and the generalized uh society at large had a much much harsher shaming culture

03:05:05.860 surrounding promiscuity uh like for example women getting pregnant out of wedlock massive social

03:05:12.900 stigma in the past now no social stigma really uh women um whether it's getting pregnant whether it's just 0.76

03:05:22.820 having a like a sexual uh premarital sex premarital sex everybody has premarital sex but that used to

03:05:28.820 be mostly and i'm not saying i'm not saying it's like i'm not necessarily saying okay we got to go 0.74

03:05:33.860 back to you know you can never have sex before marriage i'm not necessarily going that far although

03:05:39.620 there are people who do think we should return to why are you shaking your head nick okay all right he's 0.94

03:05:44.340 with it uh he's with it but uh he's a virgin just kidding or are you nick or yeah he's a virgin yeah

03:05:53.060 really uh by the way guys that nick is back w's in the chat for nick um look i i'm not i'm not like

03:06:02.660 sitting here like a prude i'm yeah that actually i have a question for you yeah so i know we're talking

03:06:08.180 on the base of like dating right you wouldn't date someone that's promiscuous but let's just say like

03:06:13.300 you had a really close friend that's a girl sure how are you gonna feel about her being promiscuous 0.99

03:06:17.780 like are you like how does that affect your feelings of your friendship and who she is as

03:06:22.020 like a person it's funny you assume that you have girlfriends female friends but oh i'm just asking like 0.52

03:06:28.500 if uh would i be like friends with like a whore yeah or like how would you feel about her would you 1.00

03:06:39.700 respect her still as a friend even though her like decisions don't align with someone that you would

03:06:45.300 actually date because you're not going to be dating her i mean i i keep a really pretty close friend

03:06:50.740 group yeah and so this would apply to like i'm not trying to rack up like a bunch of friends like

03:06:57.140 male friends of any gender uh i don't really have i have uh female acquaintances women i work with who i

03:07:08.500 have who i think i have like a a good what's that uh lewis thank you for the gifted 50 man thank you

03:07:16.580 like i have good uh working relationships with women yeah uh i wouldn't say but i have very few

03:07:24.180 male friends too i'm just saying like what if i have some really like i have a few super solid male

03:07:29.380 friends yeah but i don't have like a like a huge wide net of friends and i think this is something

03:07:38.260 that happens as you get older you know a lot of people get you know their friends get married they

03:07:44.820 have kids you start to you know some of the friendships start to dwindle people move away

03:07:50.420 they're focused on their career so sure i wasn't asking how many friends you had i was just curious

03:07:55.620 about like if you had a girlfriend that's it yeah yeah no i kind of went on on a bit of it sorry i was

03:08:01.460 not trying to be right uh so okay you're to answer your question i have a female friend who she's a hoe 1.00

03:08:10.740 yeah she's a hoe for show yeah she's a hoe for show yeah yeah uh i don't know if i i just like she's 0.99

03:08:18.420 been there for you through everything like does her what she does in her own personal sexual life

03:08:23.700 does that affect of how you think of her as a person if it has nothing to do with you in this

03:08:28.500 hypothetical uh i don't know if i'd be friends with a hoe for show like you wouldn't even be friends 1.00

03:08:36.980 with her say if you've known her since like you were a kid you'd stop being friends with her because 0.99

03:08:40.900 she sucks too many dicks probably you think it you think it devalues them as a person as a friend 1.00

03:08:49.700 possibly yes do your friends have i body counts your guy friends is that is that like something you 1.00

03:08:55.140 ask them like oh what's your body count no i don't think um i'd say most of my male friends they're

03:09:01.220 virgins they're not virgins but they've had like you know a couple couple girlfriends a couple one 1.00

03:09:05.780 night stands here and there they're not like probably in the hundred plus body count range

03:09:13.220 but yeah and what if she had a couple one night stands that's that's just what she does is that 1.00

03:09:18.100 okay look you gotta understand like i'm i'm in my mid-30s yeah like friendship is not a prior priority

03:09:28.180 for me okay like i'm very focused on my business a lot of friends that i and i still keep in touch with

03:09:34.580 they don't live in my city they moved away they have family they have kids one of my really one

03:09:40.420 of my closest friends i've known him for nearly 20 years he's got a wife he's got like three four kids

03:09:48.660 i don't i talk to the dude still but i don't see him all the time he's he's busy i'm i'm busy uh so

03:09:56.020 having like i'm not really prioritizing friendships at this moment but um i do have friends and i talk to

03:10:02.740 them and i see them here and there and they have one night stands and you're still friends with them

03:10:06.180 so you could probably be friends with a woman who has a couple one night stands i'd say i just they 1.00

03:10:10.660 can have their own lives and whatever well here's i think here's the it's not that i'm necessarily

03:10:16.340 opposed to being friends with a woman but one of the one of the and like one of the boundaries i think a

03:10:26.260 lot of people will have in a relationship is having friends of the opposite sex so

03:10:34.660 i think a lot of guys if you have male friends could have not all men are going to have an issue

03:10:40.260 with it a lot of men are going to have an issue with it so if i'm like contemplating having a

03:10:45.220 friendship with a woman and this friendship hinges on if she gets a boyfriend or gets married i feel like

03:10:53.380 that's a very flimsy the the friendship could be strong but if that friendship is going to be cut

03:11:01.300 off because her boyfriend who i think rightfully is going to have precedence over my friendship with her

03:11:10.980 i'm going to get cut off from the friendship why invest my time and energy into a friendship when

03:11:16.660 there's like going to be a point when she gets married there's going to be an impropriety for us to be 0.96

03:11:22.900 friends i don't think that every man necessarily restricts their girlfriend their wife from having

03:11:27.540 male friends but i think it's a legitimate boundary either way have you been cut off because of that

03:11:33.140 reason have any of your female friends gone married and you're just not talking to them no more again

03:11:37.220 i've not made it much of a habit honestly i've not made it much of a habit to i have like feet uh i have

03:11:44.980 women who i have good positive acquaintance relationships with yes but again i don't i

03:11:52.020 wouldn't say i've had like a female friend for like years and years there's girls i hung out with 0.99

03:11:59.380 new and it was kind of like friendly of course but uh yeah well i guess it's always a risk even with

03:12:05.940 men friends though like what if their wife they get doesn't like you and then they have to cut you off 0.88

03:12:10.820 it's you're taking the same risk sure yeah as a woman it's just as possible women can also have 1.00

03:12:16.020 this boundary in their relationships they're like i'm not comfortable with you spending time with

03:12:20.900 this girl and then of course friends right we can get into what a friend is so show of hands have you

03:12:30.020 you ever friend zoned a guy oh yeah great i don't want my girlfriend hanging out with the with a dude 1.00

03:12:40.500 who previously wanted to fuck her sorry who doesn't want to fuck sorry but y'all friend zone dudes you 1.00

03:12:47.380 keep dudes in the friend zone and they're waiting for their moment to fuck you so and then maybe you 1.00

03:12:53.060 don't want to fuck him but like your friend zone a guy he's your friend most of your male friends i 0.99

03:12:57.700 guarantee you all the women here i know some of y'all are in relationships if you bust out your 1.00

03:13:02.500 phone right now and your male friends and you haven't hooked up with them in the past you text

03:13:07.220 them hey uh what are you doing tonight netflix and chill or whatever they're gonna fight that

03:13:15.860 you're if you make available they're gonna take it up is that your friend but like if i offered a 0.98

03:13:22.660 male friend some dick they might take it if i offered none of my male friends would accept 0.99

03:13:29.140 it you'd be surprised i could offer dick on a silver platter well they're not attracted to 1.00

03:13:34.260 hey jacob you want some dick he's like bro what the fuck but i don't think that's the woman's fault 1.00

03:13:40.500 like i think a lot of women can relate to the fact that like i don't know there's not this sounds so 1.00

03:13:48.180 conceited because maybe this isn't a universal experience but like as a cute girl there's not

03:13:53.780 a lot of men that we're friends with that wouldn't at least take the opportunity to 0.99

03:13:57.620 fuck them it doesn't mean they're not your friend right so it just means you're sexual beings but so 0.98

03:14:02.580 there's different different levels so the first level that i proposed was the friend zone yeah where 1.00

03:14:07.700 it's like this guy has previously expressed romantic or sexual interest in you yeah absolutely not

03:14:14.500 if at any point that's been the case no i'm not going to be comfortable with my girlfriend hanging

03:14:21.220 out with a dude being friends with a dude that's just he's waiting for me to break up with her yeah

03:14:27.300 he's waiting for that relationship to be over so he can be a little slime ball and try to get with her

03:14:34.580 and then but then there's also girls who keep their ex-boyfriends as friends okay yeah yeah would you

03:14:42.180 guys agree at least you can give me that a lot of people will remain remain friends with an ex yeah

03:14:48.820 yeah that's absolutely not if i'm dating a girl you can't be dealing with some dude that has already

03:14:54.820 has been balls deep in you already that's crazy son no and i do get that i think there are levels to it

03:15:00.020 you know what i mean but i as a like i do understand that general idea like i think there's exceptions to

03:15:06.580 like everything depending on the case of course but i think generally that makes total sense yeah

03:15:12.420 and i think that boundaries are the things that matters here is like if there's a guy that expressed

03:15:16.580 interest in me then out of respect and love for him like if i had to see him as a friend i'm going to

03:15:21.060 emotionally distance myself from him yeah and like if there's i actually experienced this in my

03:15:25.380 relationship where there's a girl what we were both attractive people who had people interested in

03:15:30.100 them and so we had boundaries in the relationship of number one we never

03:15:33.620 vent about our partners to this person or any of our friends um number two like you know having

03:15:40.100 emotional distance where you can go grab a lunch like you know you can have a phone call here and

03:15:43.940 there but like there if you feel like somebody is bringing that energy towards you you place them in

03:15:51.700 the boundaries yeah communication is so important yeah so like i'm okay with my partner having friends

03:15:57.780 but i'm also i keep them accountable myself accountable that if those friends start to try to

03:16:02.580 get into some lines that aren't that they're not meant to then cut it off or we're not going to be

03:16:07.780 together yeah yeah question so if you've hooked up with someone and they're your friend after is that

03:16:14.980 okay or no what do you mean like like you you slept with someone and then you're still who was your

03:16:23.140 friend and then they're still your friend but you guys just slept together like you have hooked up

03:16:28.500 so you're saying can you still be friends with them and get in a new relationship without that being

03:16:33.700 tainted well again it depends on the new partner's reference uh boundaries on this yeah some people are

03:16:39.940 like yeah be friends with your ex even some people are cool with that yeah in my case i wouldn't be cool 0.98

03:16:46.580 with that uh if i'm generally very much against male friends across the board but she fucked him yeah 1.00

03:16:57.860 no you can't be friends with them okay can't be friends with them so i mean you can but like i'm not 0.89

03:17:02.340 going to date you i guess so i am curious and i apologize if you said this already um so you specifically

03:17:08.820 so are you against whoever you are with to have male friends or the just people they've hooked up with

03:17:14.100 before all of the above you don't want them to have any male friends no male friends where does

03:17:18.820 that come from what if they've been friends since like they're a kid uh look i mean again i think

03:17:25.940 there is some differentials here i think uh i think women can be friends with guys 0.96

03:17:34.340 men men to a lesser degree the guys wanna because i think so it's the guys you don't trust excuse me

03:17:40.420 sure i think that's fine i guess i think men just practically speaking men can genuinely have no

03:17:48.820 interest in a woman right and they can be friends with them whatever but i think it's more so the case

03:17:55.700 like if a guy's a friend with a girl there can often be an underlying romantic or sexual attraction

03:18:03.140 or ulterior motives on his part or both well it can it can go both ways i think it's

03:18:09.140 more so the case that men will move that way than women my take on this is that i would never date

03:18:14.900 somebody where i had to question their loyalty we're like i don't care if they have 10 close

03:18:19.780 girlfriends or if they have zero i would not be dating them if there was a shadow of doubt if they

03:18:23.300 were the type of person that would emotionally or physically cheat on me that's the standard i've

03:18:26.580 had in every relationship tonight it's served me so far yeah and plus like even just because like

03:18:32.020 they're friends with men like there's still gonna be people that you literally see day to 0.97

03:18:37.060 day who are going to approach them that also want to fuck them so you're going to keep them in a 0.98

03:18:40.180 cage like yeah like i trust myself and i trust my partner or like the type of men that i have 0.99

03:18:45.460 dated like especially in my last relationship he would be blackout drunk and there would be girls

03:18:49.940 talking to him and he they'd be so he'd be showing them pictures of me and being like hey

03:18:53.060 let's call my girlfriend no yeah exactly that's the type of guy that i date there's less at all

03:18:57.380 like i think i think you can have like opposite sex friends i think you can be friends with your ex

03:19:02.100 even but like as long as you don't give them a reason to be suspicious yeah it's just about

03:19:07.220 respect yeah it's about respect and trust and communication friends with your ex but yeah i'm

03:19:11.860 hanging out with them yeah yeah does anybody want to anybody want to test this out so some of you

03:19:18.260 guys have male friends here send them a text and say you know assuming this is a guy who he's also

03:19:26.180 single and shit you could even be in a relation those of you you're in a relationship you're in 0.79

03:19:31.460 a relationship relationship text one of your male friends i already have to what's the message uh 1.00

03:19:39.220 hey what are you doing tonight winky face is that obvious enough i guess i don't know yeah i'll test

03:19:44.420 it out okay yeah you can get my phone too what's that i don't think anyone talks that way okay i'm too

03:19:49.220 much of a boomer that i guess uh i don't know netflix and what it's more like tick tock brain rot and

03:19:57.380 chill now okay yeah do you want to do you want to come over tonight winky face or something like that

03:20:07.540 just w-i-d starts with something subtle women here tell us give us an example oh yeah like you want to 1.00

03:20:15.140 know what they're doing first so you're just going to text them hey what are you up to tonight do you

03:20:20.260 want to hang out would you want to come over you up that's the text i mean you could probably just

03:20:25.700 you up question i don't know what time it is but probably not this time you up i'm like no 0.65

03:20:30.100 fucking dumb up like well i'm awake well i'm not from here we could do it is anybody willing to do 0.97

03:20:36.180 it first i mean i am but willing to test this i'm it's gonna prove your theory but i'm not in a 0.99

03:20:40.820 relationship oh it's gonna prove it well we have done it before on the show and overwhelmingly the

03:20:47.700 guys text back like let's do it like let's actually i don't even know if i know i blocked most of the

03:20:55.540 guys that would hit me back i blocked them all like i'm sick of them uh isabella can i have you read

03:21:01.300 this chat for us yeah non-feminist traditional virgin woman from another country are not only guaranteed to 1.00

03:21:06.820 be std free but they are just better at being women than females in feminist infected countries 1.00

03:21:12.500 infected countries what a statement feminist infected countries yeah um i don't know if we 1.00

03:21:20.740 really finished off on the virgin convo yeah i think it's really hard for a woman to be bad 0.99

03:21:26.500 in bed because to like a lot of guys like you're just a hole you could just stand still do nothing 0.97

03:21:31.140 whoa wow it's very sexist it's so easy it's so easy to make a man come versus a woman women are 1.00

03:21:39.620 just dead fish she said to a lot of guys it's like it's hilarious it is so much more easy to please a

03:21:58.740 man than it is to please a woman yeah that's where i come from there's so many women that have had 0.99

03:22:04.340 sex with a lot of men you know a few men and they've never came but how many of those men did they make

03:22:10.340 come well yeah so just on the like the the quality of the sex angle for for why virginity or whatever 0.96

03:22:20.020 so i think for example a lot of guys could have sex with a girl who's a virgin and if the guy he's 0.73

03:22:26.340 experienced he can he can have good sex with a girl if he's in the lead it's kind of like for 0.99

03:22:34.260 example uh you guys know dancing or whatever the fuck dancing like uh a guy who's a ballroom dancer 0.99

03:22:42.980 not i've never done this shit it's fucking cringe but uh if you're no but if uh like the girl will 0.99

03:22:49.380 still fuck up but as the guy if you're leading in the dance you can kind of bring the girl through 0.99

03:22:55.620 like if you're leading her in dance there's a leader and a follower right you can kind of you 0.99

03:23:01.860 know get her to you know but sorry is something going on behind the scenes there everything okay

03:23:08.900 okay um you can you can still lead her and it can be still a decent dance right can women lead 1.00

03:23:16.580 uh sure i guess so well but hold on i want to caveat that but first i'll just say when it comes to sex i

03:23:23.540 think most men if they're experienced they know how to lead they can take the initiative you can have

03:23:29.780 really really good sex with a girl who has little or no sexual experience 0.99

03:23:36.820 yeah because you're doing work right whereas i'm not sure if it's as much the case where a girl who

03:23:44.740 she's experienced and she takes the lead and i'm i would question the general proclivity for women to 1.00

03:23:50.980 want that sort of dynamic to begin with it's going to be harder for her to have a good sexual experience 1.00

03:23:59.060 with a guy who's inexperienced or a virgin generally speaking so guys and i'll explain it hold on i'll

03:24:07.460 explain it like this so i think for example just because of the uh i guess the the framing would be

03:24:14.100 the anatomical or physiological nature of sex i think that it's way harder for to pass this point

03:24:23.060 it's harder for men to be good in bed than it is for women to good to be good in bed here's why 0.89

03:24:31.300 well here's one of the components i think if you put a woman in uh say you you have her in doggy style 0.99

03:24:39.300 she could just stay there not move at all she's just you know stay there not like a not like a

03:24:47.940 woman who listens to taylor swift and like her you know not one of those but like you know she

03:24:53.060 knows how to arch her back a little bit at least you know you say doggy style and then say and stay 1.00

03:24:56.900 hold on yes exactly actually no a girl could just be a girl could just be any position it could be uh 0.97

03:25:06.020 missionary she could even be on top she could even be on top cowgirl yeah and i'm pretty confident 1.00

03:25:14.020 she doesn't have to move at all the guy in all these varying positions he can bring without her 0.99

03:25:20.100 doing anything can bring himself to climax if and you put a woman whatever the best suited position 0.78

03:25:28.580 is whether it's on top doggy style whatever far less women if the guy is just you know he's got

03:25:34.820 a stiffy whatever but not doing anything far less women can climax just by doing that 1.00

03:25:43.140 far less women can climax in general unless the guy actually cares about her pleasure but that would 1.00

03:25:48.420 point that would seem to point to it being easier to please men and more difficult to please women

03:25:55.860 which is accurate right so but the guy can just stand there do nothing they're gonna come less

03:26:02.180 women are gonna climax the woman if she just whatever not doing anything way easier for the 1.00

03:26:09.380 guy to bring himself there yeah so that would say that the guy has to be a bit more active in the 0.95

03:26:15.860 sexual encounter to get the girl to climax yeah or girls could just play with themselves more yeah if 1.00

03:26:23.860 they know their own pleasure it makes it a lot easier can't even come from sexual intercourse 0.99

03:26:29.380 like there has to be some clit yeah yeah which can be included in sex yeah that's what i was gonna 1.00

03:26:35.860 say is that like for women it's very emotional and much more about the foreplay than the actual 0.98

03:26:40.420 right but but the comparison here though was when it comes to the actual act of having sex uh without the 0.99

03:26:48.180 the girl does nothing the girl she can't fold it fondle his balls or whatever just nothing 1.00

03:26:53.700 she's just no no additional assistance she's just there and then the most guys can 0.98

03:27:03.860 they can climax if the girl's just stationary basically but if the guy's just stationary 0.99

03:27:10.500 not rubbing her clit nothing just stationary most women can't make them well i i'm not going to say 1.00

03:27:17.780 most it's going to be way more difficult for her to come uh be able to climax yeah but that man will 0.99

03:27:24.340 definitely still climax i challenge that very slightly in the sense that one that's partially

03:27:28.420 because there's a lot of women that are not really informed on their pleasure or feel like they've been 0.85

03:27:32.820 able to explore if they were able to the same way that men were just by societal expectations um then

03:27:39.700 i would argue that it would be equivalent in the sense of the man just sits there she's just like

03:27:43.940 okay babe i'm gonna do my thing like you know that she would be able to find her own pleasure and she'd 1.00

03:27:48.180 probably like it a little bit more with some guy's experience just speak trying to be very clean here

03:27:57.860 um but yeah if she knew her pleasure and the guy was just sitting there and she just did her thing 1.00

03:28:03.780 riding it or whatever simulating herself that she would be able to find it probably easier than a

03:28:10.660 guy who's we're assuming she's just in receiving mode in my opinion yeah wait what so usually when in

03:28:21.060 sex somebody is typically the leader and somebody's typically the submissive usually the guy is the one 0.91

03:28:27.300 that is seen as the leader or the one that is doing the work however i think if women knew more about 1.00

03:28:34.660 their pleasure i think that there's a lot of shame in women especially in religious organizations around 1.00

03:28:38.980 self-pleasuring and there's a lot of complexities to the woman's anatomy and that she's not really 1.00

03:28:46.100 informed of and the more that she knows about her own pleasure she can satisfy herself in bed so i 0.99

03:28:51.460 think it would be equivalent in the sense that if the guy was just laying back and she was just

03:28:55.780 going cowgirl or whatever it is that she's doing okay and if she knew her own pleasure it'd be

03:29:00.180 equivalent about who's being still and who's not being still and as long as they know how to pleasure 0.99

03:29:05.300 themselves well yeah so you're talking about like she's rubbing her clit sure but even with oh my 1.00

03:29:12.980 goodness it's so yeah but if she's writing them too yeah but how is she gonna self she's gonna be 0.99

03:29:18.260 his his the p and the v and she's gonna be fingering herself no well you can also just no 0.97

03:29:24.500 ride as a woman and okay i see you like against his pubic bone and yeah okay i see what you're 1.00

03:29:32.100 saying and bouncing around all the things right okay yeah i guess 0.96

03:29:40.260 also here you know i think what's also really unfair you know there's there's uh an orgasm gap 0.98

03:29:46.340 y'all women can come multiple times and that's fucked up so it's not it's good it's good that you 1.00

03:29:54.900 can do that it's great but it's unfair to make up for all the times men didn't know how to make us 0.93

03:30:00.900 i was about to say like the amount of times we come versus like that's not like we deserve that

03:30:09.540 i'm just saying i deserve five because i did five before that and got nothing i'm just saying it's

03:30:16.260 really unfair you know like i'm over here i can just come once and that some of these chicks are 1.00

03:30:21.220 coming like 20 times she has a valid point though like how many sorry no go ahead no no say what

03:30:27.860 you're gonna say again how many times have we or other women hooked up with men and didn't come at

03:30:33.380 all that's what i'm making up for so like five for the price of one god forbid if we can't come we

03:30:38.260 come five times that's a perfect argument for not having casual sex as a woman because the guy's less 0.99

03:30:44.740 likely to care about your pleasure and you're less likely to get off have sex in a relationship

03:30:51.300 where you're more your partner's going to be more invested in your pleasure and you're more

03:30:56.100 comfortable

03:31:01.620 sorry i find it more often from what i've straight straight straight straight what i've heard is that

03:31:07.780 usually the men is actually more focused on trying to make the woman more pleasured before 0.91

03:31:13.060 because he knows wait have you experienced that personally i don't discuss my sex life right

03:31:18.260 now um i'm celibate but um i i would say that like from what i've read and from my clients experiences

03:31:25.780 and stuff it's it's the opposite so i guess we're just talking about different spectrums here like you

03:31:30.660 know where they the man oh my goodness um where he's typically trying to make her feel pleasurable 0.79

03:31:40.420 because a guy is trying to make it sound like she's enjoying it i don't know some people disagree

03:31:46.900 but that's what i've heard i mean well wait wasn't it you who is forwarding this argument of

03:31:52.100 most women aren't coming when they're having sex yeah and i know that that's a fact because i worked 1.00

03:31:57.940 in a sex store where there's so many women that came in that didn't ever have an orgasm and they've 1.00

03:32:02.340 been in happy marriages like still they're having they're not having casual sex they're still not

03:32:07.140 coming but there's a woman not coming more likely to occur in a like a one-night stand or in a 1.00

03:32:13.060 relationship i mean it's both there's just a lot of men whether it's a one-night stand or you're

03:32:18.740 married to them that don't care about the one's pleasure they just see it as pleasuring themselves 1.00

03:32:22.420 that's all they care about i'm not saying all men here question uh do you think the guy is going to be

03:32:30.580 more focused on your pleasure when you're like his girlfriend or when you're just like a one-night

03:32:36.420 stand a lot of men don't care about their girlfriends i think this is more of a personality

03:32:42.100 and like how good you are as a lover rather than uh like then whether or not he cares or more because 0.96

03:32:47.700 you're casual well yeah okay a guy who's just fucking you once could be like yeah i'm gonna make 0.99

03:32:52.660 this chick come like 10 times and your boyfriend could just be like okay all right let me give you 0.89

03:32:58.740 let me give you an example i guess let me give you an example so that guy i told you i dated for like

03:33:04.980 two years yeah yeah and then didn't want to have sex with me anymore the whole reason i was attracted 0.69

03:33:10.580 to him at the beginning is because he wanted to like please me and stuff and i was like okay slay

03:33:15.380 and then he just stopped ah he got you yeah he got you trapped you got trapped and then and then he

03:33:22.260 would just like yeah do it for himself i don't know i think so i'm like it doesn't matter about

03:33:27.380 the girlfriend part because i became his girlfriend and then he quit this is all spectrum but in my

03:33:33.700 experience like working at the sex store there was so many married women they've never even came 1.00

03:33:39.300 um okay yeah l for them i guess yeah l's l's in the chat yeah look oh no i have a very simple

03:33:48.180 philosophy uh make your girl come first that's it yeah she comes first she comes first then uh yeah

03:33:57.140 and then uh if you can multiple times all right anyways uh let's get into the the tea stuff oh my 0.78

03:34:05.940 goodness this shit's crazy have you guys heard this app tea i think i saw a facebook post about it 0.79

03:34:12.660 all right so there's this uh it's a uh women's only app so they only let women join they verify it 0.99

03:34:19.860 through a photo and maybe have you guys heard about the like the are we dating the same guy yeah i was

03:34:25.460 about to say it's similar to that correct kind of similar to that so girls will post a guy and 1.00

03:34:30.020 they'll be like who they're maybe going on a date with or just you know been on a date with and

03:34:36.660 they're asking give me the scoop give me the scoop is he red flags uh has he got a wife whatever you 0.52

03:34:43.380 know all this stuff they want to get the details they want the the background

03:34:49.300 recently there's this new app that just became number one on the app store called tea

03:34:53.940 uh nick can you just find the wikipedia page for it i guess uh number one on the app store so

03:34:58.820 basically only women can join it they verify through your id make sure you're a woman and 1.00

03:35:05.380 one of the criticisms of this app is that while it can sometimes be used for women's safety women

03:35:10.660 looking out for each other avoiding cheaters or whatever you got it uh so here it is make it a

03:35:17.540 little bigger uh women only mobile phone application uh posting allows the posting of personal data about 0.99

03:35:27.620 men that users are currently formally or interested in dating scroll down it was released back in 2023

03:35:35.300 but it just recently blew up this past month basically a month or two been around the whole

03:35:40.820 time then what do you mean since 2023 it's been around since 2023 but i think the user base was super

03:35:46.820 small and then it just blew up in the past one or two months and uh scroll down so proponent

03:35:54.180 proponents have praised the app as an aid for women's safety by helping them check for men for

03:35:59.220 adultery catfishing criminal blah blah red flags blah blah critics have described the application as a

03:36:05.140 doxing app and a violation of privacy and opportunity for defamation against innocent individuals and a

03:36:12.100 witch hunt um and uh there have been some lawsuits against some of these other apps or whatever uh cyber

03:36:21.860 harassment this sort of thing uh apparently according to the i guess the founder sean stated that the

03:36:29.060 company's legal team receives three legal threats per day a lot of people are unhappy about what we're

03:36:35.860 doing and that's okay interestingly enough this could actually i think it might even related to the

03:36:42.420 the civil rights law that i cited earlier related to the uber thing uh the unru civil rights act

03:36:50.100 disallows discrimination on the basis of sex in this case you have an application a business and the

03:36:55.940 business is even if it was in a different state they're doing business in california so it would

03:37:01.540 run afoul of the the the unru civil rights act or whatever that you can't discriminate on the basis of sex

03:37:09.220 race etc etc since they only allow women to use the app 0.65

03:37:14.580 i think they're in violation of something for example you couldn't have an app that only allowed

03:37:22.980 white people to use in fact i think it's in it's not even in compliance with apple's own terms of

03:37:31.060 service so in apple's terms of service you can't have an app which is discriminate uh discriminatory

03:37:38.180 on the basis of race gender sex etc etc so it's definitely in violation of apple tos it's in

03:37:44.980 violation of um california civil rights law so there could be some potential claims that come through

03:37:53.860 there but in any case to the app what recently happened though uh well really quick on the criticism

03:38:00.420 so basically men were frustrated because you had these women who

03:38:05.140 sure there's genuine safety concerns and stuff but they were basically like

03:38:10.660 publishing their photos their names on these apps and look who here's been on a bad date

03:38:20.500 no nobody okay and it's like look people can then even if there wasn't again we had this distinction 0.98

03:38:30.260 conversation between abuse trauma blah blah blah maybe a guy was a jerk on a date whatever i don't think 0.97

03:38:38.580 that this means you need to then like throw him to the wolves online and try to ruin his reputation some 0.98

03:38:47.380 also sometimes there's a mismatch in personalities and you guys just don't like each other so some women 1.00

03:38:55.380 not all women have used these apps to try to destroy men's reputations they've lied about these men they've 0.59

03:39:03.140 you know false accusations this sort of thing

03:39:08.100 but and a lot of women defend it though on the basis of this is for our safety we don't want to 1.00

03:39:12.500 go on a date with a guy who's whatever a jerk whatever it is what ends up happening 0.70

03:39:21.780 is apparently the people who made the app were were vibe coding and they had a breach of their 0.98

03:39:31.380 cyber security somebody was able to access a database on this app that had the photos and the photo ids

03:39:42.660 of something like over 70 000 women 70 000 women had their personally identifying information leaked

03:39:51.460 i think it was 4chan i don't know

03:39:57.060 what somebody's like what's up

03:39:59.060 you made me get that app oh

03:40:05.780 how's that exposed i was curious i wanted to see what was on it so anyways

03:40:09.460 so anyways these women quite it's almost ironic 0.97

03:40:14.180 fate it seems isn't without a sense of irony the women who were on the app basically invading the 0.98

03:40:22.660 privacy of these men posting their photos sharing private information about them

03:40:27.860 them are now having their information publicly exposed so pull up the tweets on this

03:40:36.180 uh someone created a website where you can rate the users of the hacked feminist doxing app t so 1.00

03:40:46.100 they uh they created the site t spill where the men people are now rating the the appearances of the

03:40:52.420 women and now there's a leaderboard for the most attractive and then the well it's the top 50 and the bottom 50 let's go to the next one 1.00

03:41:00.020 oh and then and then there was a comparison of the men who got posted versus the women who posted

03:41:08.660 on the t app and they're like wow the men are more attractive than the anyways uh and then is there

03:41:15.300 one more i think oh i make it smaller nick one more i in response to the t app i'm pleased to announce

03:41:25.220 the development of my brian atlas this is me my mobile app tally a male only dating safety app where

03:41:33.140 men tally the body counts of women never be lied to again no before you go so we're basically as guys

03:41:41.220 you know we care about body count right so you can join my app called tally and and you can tally up

03:41:48.580 guys will tally up oh i slept with her slept with her tally marks and they the body count boom gets

03:41:56.020 tallied up that's real it's in development

03:42:04.340 so any any app developers in the chat i will actually release this

03:42:08.820 any app developers in the chat hey you know you gotta fight fire with fire you know

03:42:14.100 so okay what do you guys think you think the app's legit you think how can you like verify the tallies

03:42:18.980 though well you know look it's hard it's hard the best that we can do is one you know if the girl 0.56

03:42:26.740 tells you her body count that's the baseline but then it's like yep had sex with her we're going to 0.99

03:42:34.500 do an incentive program for local fuck boys so these guys have insight look local fuck boys got 1.00

03:42:41.060 the insight they've fucked her bucked her and it's going to start to tally up okay but how do you know 1.00

03:42:49.460 they're telling the truth the fuck boys how do you know how do we know the women are telling the truth 1.00

03:42:54.100 about the band that they're posting both upset neither yeah they both suck like uh 1.00

03:42:59.140 he could say yeah i fucked her for like the plot but like doesn't mean he fucked her oh yeah guys 1.00

03:43:04.980 could go on and lie yeah that's what i'm just like the women can go on and lie about the yeah they're 1.00

03:43:10.260 both stupid right but you know hey it is what it is you know just throwing privacy to the wind but if 0.99

03:43:17.220 you were to lie about your higher or lower wait what do you mean like okay so you know because i 0.99

03:43:24.260 don't think like everyone is like super honest about their body counts unless it's like a decent

03:43:29.700 number and you're like proud of it whatever but if you were to lie about your body counts would you

03:43:35.300 lie about it being lower or higher people typically go lower i'll take i'm saying higher so he doesn't 0.96

03:43:42.900 talk to me oh wait is that your serious answer yeah i'm being dead ass i'm never telling a guy 0.94

03:43:50.100 my actual body count not unless it's like serious whoa i saw you like react to that no if it's like 0.86

03:43:54.740 a serious conversation i'm gonna tell him the truth but like if it's just a guy trying to hit me up i'm

03:43:58.740 lying you're gonna lie and say it's higher yeah i'm saying something crazy to be funny i'm so confused

03:44:04.260 who's actually been asked that question because i have never been asked that question

03:44:07.380 even a guy you're like you've dated like you've never had a guy be like no hold on hold on he

03:44:22.180 doesn't say what's your body count but he's like how many guys you've been with has no

03:44:28.020 that's not like a normal question i'm gonna be honest i'm usually the one that starts that

03:44:31.940 conversation just because it's been put into my head by men on social media good yeah good

03:44:37.060 i've never been asked the whatever propaganda is working y'all made me paranoid i don't know

03:44:43.300 i you know look i think it's a fair to ask within the first five minutes of a first date

03:44:48.260 the first five minutes you don't even know if you like that oh so this hi sally what's your sex life

03:44:53.860 like

03:44:54.180 there is nothing more chivalrous and gentlemanly 0.99

03:45:03.700 than asking a woman how many penises have been inside her oh within the first five minutes 0.99

03:45:09.300 within the appetizer it's very romantic it's very romantic open the door yet 1.00

03:45:15.780 what's your name where do you work how many guys have you slept with how many penises how many yes 1.00

03:45:21.860 also are you asking body count before like family discussions are you like hey what's your body 0.94

03:45:28.020 count do you want kids by the way or uh yeah that's part of well that's one of the many questions in my

03:45:34.020 girlfriend application so well i know but i just mean which one are you asking first body count or 0.66

03:45:39.620 children which one's more important i mean the the girlfriend application the girlfriend application

03:45:46.340 uh i wouldn't say it's ordered it's not no it's not ordered in like this is most important least

03:45:55.540 important there's no order to it it's just kind of you know one question what's your body count

03:46:01.060 next question uh do you have bpd do you take any medications bro i can't tell if you're being dead 0.95

03:46:09.220 ass like do you actually go on a date and like go down this list i would believe you either way honestly 0.95

03:46:14.260 which uh well so i'd say this so okay i'm giving

03:46:19.860 how do i frame this okay if the okay hold on it's hard because like prior to starting my podcast

03:46:31.860 i did normal dating did normal dating but after the podcast i would say like i've had a lot of people

03:46:39.060 reach out to me it's interesting you know this i kind of want to talk about power dynamics

03:46:44.100 because it occurred to women talk about oh power dynamic blah blah you guys don't want to confess

03:46:49.940 that a massive power dynamic is who's the initiator so typically men are the initiator the guys are

03:46:59.060 asking you for the date sliding into your dms going up to you whatever whatever the context

03:47:05.300 uh you have way more leverage if somebody's coming to you so for example if a girl slides into my dms

03:47:13.300 i can 100 get away with asking her like 30 really invasive questions like i can be the one who's

03:47:22.340 screening but this unfortunately does not apply to most men so i typically don't like to have that

03:47:29.300 convo because my own experience is not going to be applicable to most men because most men do not have

03:47:36.580 the leverage to get away with saying what's your body count right away you're not going to have the

03:47:42.980 left you can do it good chance you'll lose that specific girl but if it's important to you you can

03:47:47.780 do it but yeah most men don't have the leverage like you match with a girl on a dating app you're not

03:47:52.820 going to be able to run her down like some massive screening question list you know is it that important in the

03:48:00.980 the first date though what's that are those questions that important on the first date i guess

03:48:07.300 if you're setting most most men are not going to have the leverage or the confidence uh or even the

03:48:13.300 optionality to start screening a girl on the first date oh yeah they can so you do it or you don't 0.82

03:48:21.300 uh so when i when i used to normally date no i didn't i mean i would ask uh i would ask other

03:48:27.860 questions to try to get at my answer but yeah i'm not there's no way i'm asking a girl her body count 1.00

03:48:33.060 old brian no doesn't ask this new brian fuck it i'll still ask whatever if i'm on if i'm the initiator 0.99

03:48:39.940 if i'm the initiator fuck it i'll still ask whatever but uh most men nah you're not going to get away 0.99

03:48:45.380 with it i think i think it's where do you meet women now where where do i what do you mean well i 0.99

03:48:51.220 haven't like today i got off the dating apps i got i got off the dating apps a long time ago

03:48:56.740 uh i mean most of the women like that i don't i don't reveal certain things but i'll just say uh 0.96

03:49:04.340 they've reached out to me i'll just say that so that makes them the initiator

03:49:10.260 uh yeah technically yeah they initiated yeah i think it's a little it's a little and i don't know

03:49:15.060 if i just don't understand your concept i think it's a little bit of a silly concept that once you get

03:49:18.740 onto the date that you are not also having the power to decide if the person in front of you is

03:49:24.660 somebody that you want to continue to pursue like that's where i'm getting a little bit lost in

03:49:28.660 your argument sorry repeat that again sorry um where you once you actually get on the date with

03:49:33.700 the woman like it is also your equal opportunity to to be able to determine if this is somebody that 1.00

03:49:40.260 you want to continue to pursue i think this whole like the argument that women or men roll the dice

03:49:46.100 and are going through the funnel and just getting what they can get like you know and hope that it's

03:49:49.460 great like i don't believe that no but i'm saying you can you can come at it you can ask these

03:49:55.620 questions in a more organic way more interspersed on a date and it's okay but i guess for example

03:50:05.220 before i if if a girl were to contact me before i meet up with her even before i even meet up with her

03:50:13.540 i can ask her all these questions but if i for example if i were to slide into a girl's dms

03:50:21.460 it i can't you can do it but it's not really going to work you're not going to be able to be like

03:50:27.940 ask her like a 20 vetting questions really like the big ones you're not going to be what's your body

03:50:34.660 count well as the one the woman here the receptor or whatever i'm also not sending these guys 20 lists

03:50:40.180 of questions either like i don't think okay well yeah you're not you're not vetting i bet they're

03:50:45.300 getting to know them not asking them a questionnaire i'll fill this out and then this is going to tell

03:50:49.060 me everything about you you can have a whole paragraph synopsis of who a person is based on

03:50:54.020 their own writing and their own interpretation but you don't know who they are to actually get to know

03:50:57.460 them and actually see who how they show up in the world in action over time wait so what's your

03:51:03.380 i guess what what are you trying to say i'm just a little bit confused by your perspective on it

03:51:08.420 because i mean i think first and foremost if you look at biology there's only three species in the

03:51:14.500 planet where the male does not initiate through action like you know which is a seahorse a spider

03:51:20.980 and like something else like it's something weird like you know but that doesn't mean that there's not

03:51:26.100 like that there's not some sort of other energetic exchange like again like there's ways that the

03:51:31.060 woman initiates just it's a more like because of polarity a more subtle way like eye contact 1.00

03:51:37.060 smiling like you know there you can she can approach you next to a bar and be like hey like you know

03:51:41.380 what's a good drink around here and then because of the back like i don't think men always pick up on

03:51:46.740 those subtleties and don't really recognize that am i wrong like okay cool so that's just my first

03:51:54.340 point is that just because the man is technically the one saying the words that doesn't mean that the

03:51:58.100 woman can't invite him to pursue her and then number two the fact that there is a pursuer and

03:52:03.220 a receiver whoever it is i it's just a weird concept to me to be sending questionnaires or

03:52:09.380 trying to vet necessarily gone like on a first date when it's really about just getting to know the

03:52:13.140 person and seeing if you guys connect well i mean it depends on your time management and what

03:52:17.940 what you're willing to do some people are okay just kind of like going on dates spending time going on

03:52:22.420 dates i at least from my perspective time is valuable if there's something that she can reveal

03:52:29.860 to me that i know is a deal breaker or is going to be an issue i want to know that as soon as possible

03:52:37.300 not not only i mean i suppose selfishly to save my time but as a consideration to her to save her time

03:52:45.140 like why am i i'm going to give them a chance no just tell me the things that i let me ask you the

03:52:51.140 things that i think are major deal breakers before we even meet that way i can spare us both the time

03:52:57.860 i mean i think it's worth it to like see if you if it's actually a deal breaker to you like what i

03:53:03.140 mean by that is like um my current boyfriend before when we before we went on our first date i thought

03:53:08.180 that smoking was like a hard no for me like i don't like cigarettes but then you know we went on

03:53:12.100 the first date i liked him and then on the second date he said oh by the way i smoke cigarettes and

03:53:16.500 then i was like you know what i don't think i really care that much he seems like a really cool guy

03:53:20.180 like why does that impact me you know so i think it's worth it to explore that like possibility

03:53:26.260 uh and dating can be so fun too like that's true just like going out it can be so much

03:53:32.660 it's fun for me you don't think it's fun if you put all this pressure that i have to know

03:53:38.500 you think dating is a chore dating is a means to an end whoa the the dating process itself is dog 0.99

03:53:47.060 shit probably because you're sending applications to women maybe maybe because you approach it with 0.98

03:53:52.980 that mindset no dating i'm curious what the chat thinks i don't think like going on dates scheduling 0.99

03:54:00.660 dates doing all that that's not that's not fun like that's not for the girl i don't like it it's not 0.98

03:54:07.940 fun it's it's fucking you know people are flaking canceling um you meet up with somebody whether 0.98

03:54:16.660 you're a man or woman they're they're fucking weirdos or creepy or whatever it is i i done dealt 1.00

03:54:22.100 with creepy chicks uh yeah i don't think dating is a means to end to getting into a relationship or 0.99

03:54:29.060 finding your person what so that cool that part's cool being in the relationship having the boyfriend

03:54:35.700 girlfriend girlfriend dating nah maybe you think it's miserable because you approach it with that

03:54:41.460 mindset well also it's i think it's also convenient maybe women can hold this position but as men 0.84

03:54:48.340 typically we're the ones who are putting in the effort and the initiative we gotta we gotta be the

03:54:53.380 ones putting ourselves out there for to face rejection we gotta ask you for the date we gotta get

03:54:57.940 your number we gotta plan the date we gotta do boom boom boom all these things y'all just are kind

03:55:02.980 of passive when it comes to dating i mean in some ways yes but i also like for i can speak for me

03:55:09.380 personally here i take responsibility as a woman that when i'm on the date to show up not just

03:55:14.580 doing what i like this like letting the man do everything like i yes he might plan the date and he

03:55:19.460 might make up the plan but i show up as a woman that you actually want to be around like so yeah i'm

03:55:24.340 trying to find my person too yeah like i intentionally show up like make making myself feel flirty making

03:55:31.060 myself feel like you know good in my body that i i gave him a really good experience of being

03:55:36.500 like showing up my parents not like don't be weird like like but like if i'm gonna if this guy is

03:55:42.420 gonna plan a date for me i'm gonna show up in a good mood like you know we're yeah you can be

03:55:46.500 pleasant of course you can be pleasant you're being pleasant i think that's what she was alluding to

03:55:51.940 a lot of people are nervous on dates there's both men women are nervous on dates uh it can be anxiety

03:55:58.340 inducing you know whatever all this stuff um well can i ask this who here has been on like

03:56:04.580 three or four dates in a week with with different people anybody done that five dates in a week it's

03:56:09.940 exhausting about five yeah it's fucking tiring to go on like six dates with six different people 0.95

03:56:17.300 that's you did it in a week what expectations are you going in with that's dating you go out a couple 0.90

03:56:22.340 times well if you expect it to be a couple times a week you don't have you don't have to you don't

03:56:27.380 have to do that sounds exhausting have you done that like if you know not i honestly i've gone on

03:56:31.940 a couple dates in a week i honestly think dating is exhausting in general when you're intentionally

03:56:36.420 dating because if you're it's fun if you're just like free meal free meal free meal of course as a

03:56:42.580 woman yeah cool that sounds fun but i'm not just putting on an outfit and doing my hair and putting

03:56:48.980 on makeup and setting time aside for you if i'm not intentionally dating you they're like dating

03:56:53.700 exhaustion is real however like if you go in with the mindset that dating sucks and dating is going to

03:56:58.580 suck for you that goes for anything yeah like sincerely so like if you go in with the intention 0.62

03:57:03.780 of hey not this one person this one date that i have i have to know if he's going to be the person 0.99

03:57:08.740 that's going to be here for the rest of my life instead you approach it of wow what a cool opportunity

03:57:12.420 to get to know somebody new i've been able to meet people who i've gone on plenty of dates

03:57:17.140 or this guy didn't end up being somebody that i dated or even went on a second or third date with

03:57:20.980 but had a really fun experience with or like ended up he being like a i dated a guy who was a fitness

03:57:26.500 trainer and now i have a connection with fitness training i have new friends because there's a guy

03:57:30.980 who brought other friends like on their first date which is weird but i met like some really good

03:57:36.020 friends from that like you know if you go in with the mindset dating sucks well sorry your dating

03:57:40.740 experience is gonna suck and like again there is real dating exhaustion i get it but like you can't 0.73

03:57:46.980 control that all you can do is control how your mindset about it and how you approach the dates

03:57:51.620 agreed yeah okay um yeah look i don't know uh i don't know dating i i think the process of dating

03:58:05.220 where you're like going out dating multi like dating people dating cows or animals what

03:58:15.780 like if you're dating a person that's cool but i'm when i'm thinking of dating i'm thinking like 0.96

03:58:20.740 maybe you're going on a couple dates a week different people you're fucking scheduling that 0.99

03:58:25.540 shit people can be flaky unreliable scheduling that shit kind of just annoying uh we have really quick 1.00

03:58:32.020 here uh we need to do a couple shout outs venmo cash app whatever pod we have john straight with 0.99

03:58:39.220 the big 50 via venmo looks like you sent that in uh about two hours ago man so thank you so much

03:58:45.060 really appreciate the big 50 guys w's in the chat for john and then troy he sent in a ten dollar ten

03:58:50.980 dollars via venmo thank you man appreciate it thank you thank you uh let me see if there's any others

03:58:55.220 also guys shop dot whatever dot com looks like somebody purchased a t-shirt thank you bahuba thank

03:59:05.380 you man appreciate it appreciate it thank you sir thank you sir uh also why don't we pull up twitch

03:59:10.820 really quick i texted you back by the way nick yeah just tell me got it okay um

03:59:18.820 um okay uh guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever if you're enjoying the stream if you're watching on

03:59:24.180 youtube drop us a follow in the prime sub guys 54 minutes since we last had the prime sub i need you

03:59:30.420 guys i think it's bugged boys i think twitch is bugged can you guys just do a quick can we get

03:59:36.420 check a little check also the follows seem to be bugged too three minutes since the last follow

03:59:41.060 can you guys just check if the follows are working just hit the follow button just test test it out

03:59:45.460 please only if you're not following already just you know don't unfollow to re-follow all right and

03:59:52.020 then what else did we have to oh guys read 100 tts 200 get them in guys if you want like the video

03:59:59.780 if you're enjoying the stream what the hell uh and then discord.gg slash whatever join the discord

04:00:07.140 uh you know what should we do maybe later we'll gift another uh discord membership

04:00:12.740 for what oh never mind we don't have to pull it up having the tiger on the table what i don't know

04:00:24.340 whatever it's below the threshold uh thank you man appreciate it thank you thank you uh okay and then

04:00:32.180 get those uh super chats pulled when you get a moment uh okay we're gonna get into let's see we have

04:00:38.100 actually no we'll do this thank you oh dating is really fun yeah that's a good point yeah i think

04:00:47.460 there's a different experience though there's definitely a different experience between men

04:00:50.740 and women because i think men unilaterally put in more effort and work during those earlier stages of

04:00:57.940 dating women kind of can kind of be more passive in how they approach dating wait for men to come to 1.00

04:01:05.700 them men do all the planning etc etc not all the time look women you you can plan overwhelmingly though 0.87

04:01:13.220 i think you guys don't so rude very rude these women over here just enjoying their passive okay 1.00

04:01:20.100 anyways whatever uh m1 grand ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten you can't pick

04:01:25.940 seven starting with

04:01:31.700 you me yeah um do i have to explain my reasoning no you can just that's it six okay going to you

04:01:41.300 we're going to stop looks just looks yeah i pick seven can i pick seven and a half

04:01:47.380 hold on can't do fractions whole numbers well i'm gonna round up eight okay uh then just going this

04:01:54.900 way across you six six um were you gonna say ten no okay uh me personally yeah six

04:02:08.980 i should start with you right you're the ten from last time i should start with you here i

04:02:15.860 think i'm gonna disagree but i'm done uh ten still ten ten okay what about you six oh six six okay

04:02:22.660 like an eight all right i give myself a five um all right well um uh i always want to start with

04:02:28.500 the ten because i feel like if a girl's humble with the first the first answer

04:02:32.900 then the other girls are going to kind of lean towards being humble not all the time but

04:02:39.620 should start with you we maybe would have had some more tens at the table

04:02:43.700 if not okay um i thought you changed your position on that though did you

04:02:49.860 you snip snap i got alternative perspectives about how men perceive beauty but i still think myself as a

04:02:57.300 10 okay so you're making you're differentiating between how you perceive yourself and how men

04:03:04.980 perceive you sure okay does how do you think men perceive you then um i don't know it was a little

04:03:11.860 funny because i was reading the comments on the last video and then i had some who didn't disagree

04:03:15.940 with some of the or didn't agree with the things that i said and said that i was a three or four and

04:03:20.740 then i had people who did agree with the things that i said who said i was a seven so i'm a little bit

04:03:24.660 curious brian about because you're one of your biggest arguments or like what we talked about

04:03:30.660 last time was about this objectivity when it comes to beauty and how there might be a general

04:03:36.580 on a societal level objectivity to it but even within a one podcast which comes with typically a

04:03:43.940 male-dominated podcast with a bunch of men who are probably coming from similar backgrounds and

04:03:47.860 beliefs can agree then i'm curious about what your response is to that i mean it was a bit of word

04:03:54.420 salad um my response to what what is the question you're asking okay so if you believe that there

04:04:02.660 is a general societal view of beauty that is universal like there's this universal truth to

04:04:10.820 beauty however something that i noticed on the podcast was when i was looking at people responding

04:04:16.340 to my rating there were people that were saying three to four and there are people that were saying

04:04:21.060 seven or ten or whatever it is and so you sure about that one i was and there are other people

04:04:28.580 that messaged me privately we were watching um sorry go ahead and there are also people that were

04:04:34.020 privately messaging me as well and so like if again if this is all what were they privately messaging you

04:04:39.540 what were they saying being very complimentary towards me i will say that okay was there an ulterior like

04:04:45.780 again it's related to her thing when uh she was saying well men have complimented me about my piercings

04:04:51.460 or my tattoos it does not behoove a man who has a desire to have sex with you to ever ever strike down 0.99

04:05:02.180 your ego it would never be in one's interest to be like you're an ugly bitch by the way that's not 1.00

04:05:09.220 directed at anybody at the table i'm just saying it would never be a good dating strategy like i don't 0.99

04:05:16.580 know i'm i'm kind of a a bit abrasive i would never attempt if i'm like damn this girl's hot let me hold 1.00

04:05:24.580 up you fucking i would never be like bitch you're fucking ugly no i i'm gonna flatter i'm not to be 1.00

04:05:32.020 clear i'm not gonna simp i'm not gonna be a simp if she's doing some stupid shit i'm gonna call her out 1.00

04:05:37.060 for it but when it comes to physical appearance it's not a good strategy to be not complimentary 0.98

04:05:46.180 to a woman's appearance now sometimes you can joke and be funny like if a girl's like got a 1.00

04:05:50.980 fucking killer body you can go exaggerated with it be like you're obese and she'll maybe find that 0.94

04:05:58.260 funny because it's so abundantly clear she's not obese but she still might be that's a that's a 50 50 1.00

04:06:05.860 you still might get fucked up but she might be like okay she might some girls might find it funny 1.00

04:06:11.940 like she's got to be she's got to know she's hot shit btw you're obese just kidding but actually 1.00

04:06:20.180 okay anyways i think i'd never talk to a man again quiet even if i know that's not true i think that i 0.99

04:06:26.740 literally would be like i think it depends on your sense of humor yeah like i'm a gym rat if someone

04:06:33.540 hit me up and was like you're obese i'd be like all right all right back in the gym okay i do agree

04:06:39.300 with the stroke in your ego though it's like if i no but it's like if i'm saying i'm great yeah you're 0.99

04:06:45.620 not gonna be like no you're not like that's rude you you shouldn't be a suck up but most guys are gonna 0.97

04:06:52.020 most guys are gonna be compliment they're gonna compliment you which is fine i don't think 0.95

04:06:57.220 complimenting is necessarily simping it can't go too far where it's like okay this guy's doing too

04:07:03.220 much yeah too much but most guys are not like if you do have uh you know certain flaws or you've got

04:07:12.420 certain things like you got tattoo even as a guy who doesn't like a girl's tattoos i've been known to be

04:07:19.940 like oh i like your tattoo like i'm not gonna it's never gonna be a position and i consider myself

04:07:28.900 a very honest person okay but you know but just don't say anything no literally why are you pointing

04:07:33.940 it out if you don't actually like care about it like what oh well now i'm just ruthless now i'm

04:07:38.980 ruthless but yeah in the past i'd be like wow sick tat oh well how about this here's a better example

04:07:45.620 here's a better example a woman who is really invested in her education or her career i'm 0.98

04:07:54.500 as somebody who doesn't give a fuck about a woman's career i'm not gonna be like 0.99

04:08:00.100 fuck your career don't care i'm gonna be like oh my god you're you're great you're um studying 1.00

04:08:06.100 fucking sociology oh my god tell me about black mirror or whatever you know i'm not gonna 1.00

04:08:12.260 talk shit about her her passion or pursuits or her interest so just her body count 0.99

04:08:20.980 yeah but i mean even here's the thing though even with that i mean i wouldn't want to be with her but 0.98

04:08:27.380 even as a guy if you've got an issue with it it's not the move to suggest that she's a

04:08:34.580 a hoe well yeah you can't if you're trying to be with a girl you can't call her a hoe correct you 1.00

04:08:41.060 can't call her a hoe like that's kind of common sense yeah you can't she could be a hoe can't call 1.00

04:08:46.340 her a hoe though could be a hoe can't i wasn't trying to do a funny you were i don't know it wasn't i 0.99

04:08:55.780 i wasn't trying to do a funny anyways good talk great talk guys um what were we talking about oh

04:09:03.540 the beauty so okay what was your question uh what am i trying to get out with the beauty thing what

04:09:08.340 was your question all that i'm saying is that in my life 0.99

04:09:14.420 whether it was high school boys and college boys being stupid and raiding girls on these little social 0.98

04:09:19.300 media pages or now in the in the chat because honestly i think okay regardless um or in the 0.99

04:09:25.940 chat like you know the chat boxes even though we all are from the united states or from similar

04:09:30.660 backgrounds or whatever it is people still can't agree on a number which means that to me that

04:09:34.740 challenge is the belief that there's objective beauty because i think it's up to the individual's

04:09:38.900 interpretations and and attractions again that's not how i look at beauty or really or

04:09:45.940 physical beauty i just don't view it that way but if you are going to argue that there are men that

04:09:51.220 feel that way which i believe that there are i don't think that that argument holds that it's purely

04:09:56.340 objective or that there is a general spectrum either of like if a certain woman having the general

04:10:03.060 spectrum of what she'll rate and compare in the eyes of men because again i've had guys say i'm a

04:10:09.300 two and i've had guys say i'm a ten and even when they weren't talking to me or simping on me okay so

04:10:15.140 if we were to ask a million men though there would be an average

04:10:23.620 so i mean what does that mean and there would be there would probably these well i would argue

04:10:29.780 then that probably for a majority of people on the planet the average would be anywhere between four

04:10:33.940 to six because there's gonna people that really really like them there's gonna people that think

04:10:37.300 they're absolutely atrocious and most people are going to fall in between sure but you will start

04:10:41.940 to see pat for example we could also do it like this if we line we had 10 girls they all look 0.98

04:10:47.300 different whatever there would be some men that rank ordered them differently but there you would

04:10:54.100 start seeing certain patterns of the rank ordering as to which which women tended to be ranked higher and

04:11:04.900 which women tended to be ranked lower okay yes there are beauty standards right yes so 1.00

04:11:14.500 my argument is that so beauty it's not it's not objective in the strictest philosophical sense in the

04:11:22.180 same way that you know math and physics are objective uh but it's also not just beauty is in the eye of

04:11:30.740 the beholder it's not just subjective it's not purely subjective and this is because even across

04:11:37.540 cultures whether it's in asia united states europe wherever there are uh certain certain components

04:11:48.020 of beauty that are almost there's universal traits that are typically deemed attractive stuff like

04:11:54.980 symmetry facial balance facial harmony these sorts of things also it's like if beauty is purely

04:12:03.540 subjective moving outside of just looks when it comes to humans why is it there's universality

04:12:13.380 as it applies to certain things beauty beyond human attraction so a flower or a sunset why is there

04:12:23.460 universal assessment of beauty when it comes to like a beautiful sunset or a flower flowers are

04:12:30.900 universally beautiful in all cultures right so that would point to something not strictly uh not

04:12:38.740 strictly subjective when it comes to beauty if if there's a universal component where it's like okay

04:12:45.700 why why have all these cultures not just today but throughout human history why do we find flowers beautiful

04:12:56.100 there is a universal objective there's objective components to these things so

04:13:07.060 okay well i think part of her point wasn't weren't you trying to say like even if two guys thought you

04:13:13.220 were the same level of attractedness they might rate you different numbers because it's subjective

04:13:19.860 yeah partially that and again i might not be the best person to argue this because my

04:13:23.700 value system more aligns with kind of what you said about the flower analogy that i see everybody as

04:13:29.300 very unique and gorgeous and beautiful people and okay you can inhale and whatever like i'm just

04:13:36.580 just breathing i'm not okay cool like you know but like genuinely when i look at everybody at this

04:13:42.500 table and anybody on the comment section or anybody in real life i choose to look at what

04:13:47.860 unique beauty that this person brings and choose to see everybody as a ton so but we're talking about

04:13:53.620 looks yeah i'm looking so somebody can be like inter okay you're looking okay did we should we

04:14:00.420 okay um who's who's a guy in hollywood that you could point to and be like wow that's a really

04:14:08.100 handsome like celebrity crush is there any guy sure like if you go by my value system they're all

04:14:14.340 attractive but if you go by like the ones that like i had like a crush on then like are there

04:14:20.100 wait hold on are there men who are you are more or less attracted to i would say like

04:14:26.660 like upon like initial look because that yeah looks just looks okay um like sure my hormones

04:14:35.220 respond to certain characteristics or certain traits but like again that's not subjective to just like

04:14:41.700 i don't have necessarily a type in the sense of blonde blue eyed tall whatever like i get attracted to 1.00

04:14:48.100 many different people okay but you can't make a determination you can't be like okay this actor more

04:14:55.300 attractive than this actor i mean i'm sure like if i can make a list of 50 actors who i've been

04:15:02.100 attracted to and they're all going to again have different traits and all have different

04:15:05.780 stand tones and different heights and different body images so again like in that sense no i'm not

04:15:11.540 going to pick just like one genetically there is like a standard like women are attracted to certain 1.00

04:15:17.460 traits genetically do you want a man that has chiseled jawline sharp jawline it is proven in

04:15:23.860 it's not like natural like you want alleles that are heterozygian not the same and they these traits

04:15:30.500 these chiseled jawlines you're gonna want that go off isabella i mean it's true no go off yeah

04:15:36.900 she's cooking you're right go off isabella there is some things in us that make us want certain traits

04:15:44.980 who did you vote for in the most recent election crazy okay do you are you part of a party are you

04:15:53.780 democrat republican i would say i would say that i'm on i'm technically apolitical right now because

04:16:01.540 my parents and like my family was on opposite ends of the spectrum and so i kind of disassociated from

04:16:08.180 politics for a long time okay um i've been listening to things and do you think age like somebody's age can

04:16:14.100 have an impact on beauty like somebody who's 30 for example versus somebody who's 60 just just in

04:16:21.460 i realize most people are going to want to date someone their own age for reasons that go beyond

04:16:25.460 just looks uh but you would agree that can you make a determination between a 30 year old and a 60

04:16:32.100 year old typically are you going to find 30 year olds more physically attractive if you're from your

04:16:37.300 world view sure but not from your world view from my no um okay well perfect thank you this actually

04:16:47.220 sets me up perfectly for my following question oh goodness who do you think is more physically

04:16:51.460 attractive donald trump as he currently is or brad pitt when he was 30. who's more physically

04:16:58.260 attractive i just look honestly right i just like i do not care i love you but you like i i get that you

04:17:05.700 don't care but you can't even be like make a determination on this like you don't know the

04:17:12.900 answer is you don't know i just i don't look at it that way but if i had to pick i i don't know i

04:17:17.380 guess who is the option the other non-donald trump you don't know who brad pitt is brad okay brad pitt

04:17:24.340 i forgot who you said yeah young brad pitt so think uh troy fight club i don't know if you've seen these

04:17:30.660 movies um uh what was i don't know what else has he yeah we can just do pictures uh young brad pitt

04:17:42.020 okay meet joe black uh okay and then why don't we do donald trump mugshot let's do that one can we do

04:17:52.500 that one let's just do you know it's a straight on photo i feel like it's fair representation

04:18:03.060 um all right so uh you just saw brad pitt young brad pitt he's still by the way he's still handsome

04:18:10.420 guy even he's what in his 60s at this point brad pitt's in the 70s oh donald trump uh who's better

04:18:19.460 looking i don't know i guess brad i guess brad really like i i mean i'm sorry but like all right

04:18:27.060 i'm gonna get up for a bit i'm gonna let you girls does isabella debate her for i don't know 0.76

04:18:32.980 i need to get up for two or three minutes so if you guys want to

04:18:36.580 isabella you got it i got you got it take the lead yeah you got it yes okay okay um

04:18:43.780 i don't like his argument with age i don't like the argument yeah brad pitt's more attractive than

04:18:48.420 donald trump right now but come on i don't think that everyone is just differently i think what if

04:18:54.020 it was a really hot 60 year old and a really ugly 30 year old yeah i would go for the hot

04:18:58.900 60 year old yeah i don't think age like directly correlates with your attractiveness yeah and just

04:19:04.500 to clarify guys like this is much less about really like that and it's more about like i just with my

04:19:10.100 personal values and morals not saying mine are better or worse but i don't like talking about people in

04:19:14.020 this way yeah it's good at all and like and i just don't view people this way where i go around

04:19:18.180 thinking about who he's a 10 he's a nine like he said no let me stir the pot i do think about it a

04:19:22.820 lot sometimes um i i work customer service i see people come through my line a lot and i'm like wow you

04:19:31.220 are ugly but but the thing is like i don't think that your beauty correlates with your value as a

04:19:37.540 person in any way shape or form i have no problem saying that a person is ugly you're gonna be treated less 0.96

04:19:42.180 than if you're ugly though yeah which i think is messed up but i don't want to walk in your store 0.94

04:19:46.660 and that might be a five when i start dating them but then they could become a 10 based on 0.61

04:19:51.940 personality yeah yeah well who's a 10 maybe i think i think your personality does definitely affect your

04:19:59.060 looks like in my opinion i don't know if guys are the same but like i don't know i agree like in

04:20:03.780 relationships when the rose tinted glasses come off i'm like ugly ugly yeah it doesn't matter how

04:20:09.540 attracted i was to them like after i realized that they're a bad person i don't like them oh 0.69

04:20:13.460 yeah yeah the prettiest person can have an ugly personality and be a zero like i don't think it 1.00

04:20:20.260 i think the initial value of somebody yes you see with your eyes right but once you get to know

04:20:25.860 somebody of course your skill changes yeah yeah so it's not everything but it is something like

04:20:30.980 i'm not gonna sit here and be blinded and be like oh people are beautiful i'm sorry no like

04:20:36.420 cancel me if you want not everyone's pretty not everyone's handsome that's just that but

04:20:41.140 there's nothing wrong with that and there's nothing wrong with that because i might think 0.97

04:20:44.580 somebody's cute and you might think they're buttfuck ugly like yeah that's what i would say i don't 0.99

04:20:50.340 think it's like necessarily an objective you are ugly and you are pretty and you should just accept 0.99

04:20:55.140 the fact that you are ugly but it doesn't make you any less valuable i don't agree with that 0.96

04:21:00.420 again there's a market for everything okay yeah and i don't i don't agree with like bullying 0.98

04:21:04.500 someone over their looks like you can think someone's ugly but you don't have to be mean

04:21:07.540 about it yeah for sure you know i think people attract what they are so yeah like i'm heavily

04:21:13.060 tatted so i'm probably gonna attract more like tatted alt guys yeah because that's me and then it's like

04:21:19.540 yeah someone's tall they're probably gonna attract tall people

04:21:21.940 i don't attract short people well i'm 410 i'm five foot and i attract short men

04:21:30.180 i do too unfortunately i think tall men see me and they're like i can throw her around i guess 0.62

04:21:36.580 but then a short guy would say the same thing because you're small yeah they can all throw me

04:21:40.020 around that's what i'm saying not all of you and i'm not saying like literally all of you i'm just

04:21:43.540 like jackie's head runner train no no no no no so then i have a question so when you're dating

04:21:54.020 somebody or going on your dates that you think are fun right yeah you're telling me how do you

04:21:59.620 determine who's a yes or a no if you haven't gotten to know them yet so like what do you mean

04:22:04.500 like when i'm swiping or like when i'm yeah like oh so i look for a couple of things like number one

04:22:09.780 the quality of their pictures like okay where are where are they at like do they look like they

04:22:16.660 have friends do they look like that they're gonna murder me in a parking lot i don't know

04:22:20.500 like um because there's certain pictures i don't know if you guys seen them on the dating apps but

04:22:23.780 like where the guys will be in these like hoodies and it'll be super dark and then like they have

04:22:26.900 like these dark circles and this weird look in their eye like no if you take a photo from a bottom

04:22:32.100 angle yeah i'm not gonna lie to you guys i know a lot of handsome men who can't who aren't photogenic no

04:22:38.340 men most most men aren't photogenic they don't take pictures yeah exactly so i look at like again

04:22:43.940 like how they answer to their prompts i guess like you know and how like what they assign as their like

04:22:49.940 i don't know their political ideologies and all these other different type of things like

04:22:53.780 my life changed when i stopped like trying to date who was conveniently attractive and just started

04:22:58.740 dating based on people's values and started and here's what happens sometimes you're really

04:23:03.460 attracted to somebody initially but then they you feel you find out they have a really bad

04:23:08.020 personality and they look really ugly just open their mouth and then there's some guys like you

04:23:13.620 know who you're not necessarily like you can be like oh like somebody would find him handsome but

04:23:17.220 like but then you get to know him and you start to get really attracted to him so i don't see

04:23:21.620 attraction as just like immediate yes or no and then that's you forever i i don't trust my very

04:23:27.780 first instinct of whether i like if i'm attracted to them because more likely than not if your nervous

04:23:32.660 system's on fire looking at a guy it's because you're scared and your nervous system's on fight or

04:23:36.980 flight like the whole butterfly things like that's how you can probably tell a guy's dangerous and how

04:23:41.460 he's probably a player oh i'm attracted to the worst man and i'm like okay i need to switch it up now

04:23:48.100 if you don't feel safe with him like that's why they say like safe love is like can sometimes feel

04:23:52.900 boring because if you don't feel safe with him then he's attracting your old trauma and just reliving

04:23:57.940 the risk is fun until it's not did everyone here vote their scale one to ten based on your

04:24:05.780 personality as well or just personally well the question was you're talking about your personality

04:24:12.180 as well yeah but that's not what everyone else voted for so would your answer change if it's

04:24:17.620 based on personality how much yeah okay yeah good times uh let's see here welcome back yeah thank you

04:24:25.460 appreciate that thank you uh let's see we were gonna get into oh nick i sent you a video we're gonna react

04:24:32.100 to we have a couple videos guys we're gonna logan paul got in some trouble again uh we're also

04:24:42.100 this is related to the looks thing uh before you pull it up though nick i do have a question uh who

04:24:47.540 here thinks you guys know lizzo the bigger singer gal yes uh do you show of hands who here thinks

04:24:55.300 she's beautiful like right now we're like before she lost the weight before she lost the weight was 1.00

04:25:00.820 she beautiful i think she's always been beautiful you think beautiful yeah beautiful with sparkles um 0.84

04:25:06.820 can we do what does she look like again uh can we do a photo who is

04:25:19.540 oh i don't know um sure let's do it should we do a photo of lizzo i guess nick

04:25:28.340 uh yeah let's just do a photo get a photo of lizzo for reference maybe old old old lizzo

04:25:34.260 oh she's not not old you're gonna get an ai generated like before she lost the weight lizzo 0.97

04:25:42.260 pre-weight loss 2020 lizzo go off king um

04:25:51.380 uh scroll down scroll down

04:25:56.580 okay all right keep going keep going beautiful all right show of hands is she

04:26:04.260 beautiful i think she's beautiful yeah yes yes in her own way personally not my type 0.97

04:26:10.260 yeah beautiful yeah so question if i said that you looked like lizzo would you be offended i'd be

04:26:20.020 confused yeah i'm not black well i look nothing like her and i know that

04:26:24.260 she's fat yeah because and i mean well i'd be confused probably oh yeah you could pass yeah

04:26:32.260 yeah like light skin oh as black wait you thank you wait what you just got yeah you could be like 0.93

04:26:39.220 no because i said i'm i'd be confused because i don't look like her because i'm not black yeah

04:26:43.060 anyways whatever um no i you look like her in terms of body weight again i'd be confused because

04:26:50.180 that's not accurate yeah okay i would not be offended at all i would okay whatever uh we have a video

04:26:57.540 to react to related to this uh nick if you can pull that up

04:27:04.180 oh okay i want you to rate this woman on a scale of one to ten oh nine or ten easily she's stunning 1.00

04:27:11.300 okay be honest drop dead gorgeous well what if i told you that you look like her 0.65

04:27:16.500 oh so you think of that okay i want you to rate all right uh yeah that's kind of you know

04:27:25.460 what do you anyways whatever um logan paul logan paul logan paul uh this guy you know he's got

04:27:36.500 he's married he has a newborn kid or something married some woman who dated half of hollywood

04:27:42.980 um supermodel um supermodel i guess who'd he marry dubious air quotes um what who'd he marry

04:27:54.260 some swedish i don't know her name some swedish model or something uh let's pull up the video

04:27:59.380 though we got the video all right so here's what here's what i want you guys to be thinking about

04:28:06.500 uh actually you know what let's just play it let's just play it i won't do a prompt

04:28:12.660 okay the strollers gonna be assembled in no time this is boring nobody wants to watch this i do

04:28:18.500 want to finish this no i have to do this anyways so finish it quick and then build the other

04:28:23.780 when they're not filming this is boring she's boring they'll agree with me

04:28:33.540 no

04:28:33.780 whatever nina says goes uh it's okay uh any any thoughts there on that interaction was that

04:28:50.740 wait what was justin bieber oh he was assembling i guess they have like a reality tv show what i don't

04:28:57.060 know what it's it's on hbo or something he was assembling a stroller because she's pregnant and

04:29:01.220 about to have a kid does he already have a kid with her no i think this is old so is this the

04:29:05.860 second kid or maybe it's old i don't know whatever it's old he was trying to assemble a stroller for the

04:29:12.420 kid and she says oh it's boring with a bit of an attitude i well i don't know do you first off

04:29:21.780 i'll ask the question to the panel who here thinks she gave him a bit of attitude you can disagree it's

04:29:27.540 okay if you disagree okay all right thoughts thoughts is that what do you guys think what

04:29:35.060 do you guys think justin and hayley bieber right now what is what is giving justin what does that

04:29:41.940 what does that mean it means just like you can sense the like disinterest yeah closer to the mic

04:29:48.420 you can just sense the yeah disinterest with each other from the wife to from the wife okay yeah 0.62

04:29:53.700 justin usually doesn't just to hayley doesn't he love her i guess i don't know i don't really

04:30:02.260 hayley's way hold on bro wait now they're both no this is a celebrity gossip show

04:30:09.060 bro hayley's way better than selena wait wait do you know her am i gonna get in trouble for all 0.98

04:30:18.260 the selena stands or some shit wait question who's cuter hayley or selena cuter i say selena 1.00

04:30:25.620 but hotter i would say hayley okay 0.99

04:30:30.340 what what scoot in yeah just so you're closer to the mic okay short and weak so um yeah no disinterest

04:30:40.180 that's what i was giving i feel like she could have just walked out the room like 0.68

04:30:45.380 sometimes he seemed like he was enjoying it let him do his thing i don't get what she was

04:30:50.100 yapping about because he was trying to build the the what the stroller for the kid and then she was 1.00

04:30:55.540 like that's boring build the other stuff like what i think because he was recording it she thought

04:30:59.620 that no one would be interested in watching him build the stroller i have a question is what

04:31:03.860 they're recording paying her bills like i mean like isn't he paying for the producers will cut it

04:31:08.900 if it's boring i don't i'm saying i don't know she just seemed like kind of mean in that clip i don't

04:31:12.420 get it yeah i think that's like the point of like the reality show that they have not him that they

04:31:18.660 hate each other but her expressing that she was upset or thinking that people are not going to be

04:31:25.860 interested like that drama that's like what draws people to watch it yeah and she was pregnant so

04:31:32.580 yeah and hormones she was pregnant attitude be grumpy when you're pregnant i'll tell you that 1.00

04:31:37.140 that shouldn't be an excuse so no i don't think it's an excuse i'm just saying like it's been

04:31:42.020 pregnant i understand a little bit not that i'd ever be that mean yeah saying it wasn't entertaining

04:31:48.020 though yeah i don't know she was doing it for the plot some men can be really big babies when they're

04:31:52.500 sick that's all i'll say i think i mean there's a lot of other background context between logan and that

04:32:03.060 girl but just off that interaction i don't know if i want to be too heartless with this i don't know

04:32:09.940 that's probably indicative of how she talks to him in other instances that's a divorce bro

04:32:16.900 that's a divorce that's a divorce you're so trigger happy if you're gall 0.55

04:32:22.260 no literally you have an application for dating your wife has an attitude and you're divorcing her 1.00

04:32:28.660 no your girl can't talk to you that way are you dead ass am i dead ass yes i'm dead ass 1.00

04:32:35.540 but do you think you you want that you think of it the same way like you can't talk to her like 1.00

04:32:43.060 that either huh you can't talk to her like that either then right there has to be a level of respect

04:32:48.260 on both sides no he can't exactly what was that comment said earlier like oh it's only okay if i do

04:32:59.140 it to men but then men can't do it to me that's how you're acting right now i'm thinking about this i'm

04:33:03.460 thinking sometimes a woman needs a little guidance whoa whoa so do men

04:33:11.780 i don't think you should be disrespectful i don't think you should be disrespectful to

04:33:17.300 anybody man that goes both ways right was calling boring disrespectful though sometimes as a leader

04:33:23.620 sometimes as the leader in the relationship you gotta you gotta take on a corrective tone but what

04:33:29.940 if she's he looks like a sad puppy at the end but generally generally i would say you should try to

04:33:36.420 have a pleasant disposition and tone towards your partner or girlfriend boyfriend regardless of your

04:33:45.620 gender right uh you shouldn't be rude you shouldn't be disrespectful in this case man she's 1.00

04:33:51.460 here's the other thing right here's why i don't care logan he's he's tall he's fit he's a good-looking

04:34:02.020 dude no homo uh he he's rich he's successful he um what else rich successful status famous uh he has 0.84

04:34:15.700 some controversy surrounding him he's definitely done some kind of shady whatever but uh with it

04:34:20.980 like the crypto thing and like some other controversies whatever overall though the guy has

04:34:26.900 a lot going for him a lot going for him probably has his he could have his pick really and i'm like

04:34:34.180 bro how this is separate from the video we just watched how are you gonna wife up 0.99

04:34:37.780 damn bro she's done she's done fucked so many allegedly many celebrities she done been with leo 1.00

04:34:47.540 leonardo dicaprio she done been with all these dudes 1.00

04:34:51.940 right there but but also her attitude she's got i don't like her attitude it's not there's other

04:34:58.340 videos of her too but just going off that she's being really disrespectful to him really disrespectful

04:35:03.540 just off that video alone not even factor in all the other crate bro he could get better like

04:35:09.620 logan could get better way better

04:35:15.140 that's a divorce that's a divorce you think your partner should be amazing all the time they're not 0.99

04:35:20.420 ever allowed to get an attitude or get irritated or anything so i'll say this i think in relationships

04:35:26.900 you just fart no that was the chair that was the chair i think in i think in relationships

04:35:36.820 you can show your partner grace sometimes people can be frustrated there can be other circumstances

04:35:44.020 they can be you know maybe when they're sick or they're you know uh having a bad day sometimes

04:35:49.300 somebody can be snappy they don't mean it i think it's okay to show people grace whether you're the

04:35:56.100 man or the woman in the relationship however however you cannot disrespect your man

04:36:05.700 in that way and especially in public if you want to if you have a dispute with your boyfriend or 0.96

04:36:11.940 girlfriend wife husband i mean look i know they're doing a fucking reality show so i guess that's kind 0.96

04:36:17.380 of baked in but she's disrespecting him publicly it's one thing to disrespect somebody privately but you 0.99

04:36:24.740 do it publicly you can't nah well you have to think if it's a reality show then like what sure you got

04:36:32.180 to think how private is their life at that point right i mean when we're reacting to these clips you

04:36:37.780 know i i kind of just take them at face value i'm not really factoring in like okay well maybe you know

04:36:43.540 they're ramping it up for the cameras or some shit but um but technically she she done been 0.94

04:36:51.940 fucked by fucking hollywood okay but technically if the cameras weren't allegedly technically if 0.99

04:36:57.060 the cameras weren't there and they were just speaking in that setting in their house or 0.99

04:37:00.980 whatever that wouldn't be speaking to him that way in public like you know what i mean yeah the whole

04:37:05.220 point of a reality tv show is you're seeing like the private side i think for face value if that was

04:37:10.500 your guys's situation is what he's trying to get at right like if say wipe the tv show like wipe that

04:37:17.700 factor out if she's giving attitude at such a minuscule thing then what is she doing 1.00

04:37:25.700 with bigger things how is she reacting to bigger things that actually matter that's a good point

04:37:29.860 i think that for me is what i have an issue with call me old school but i come off very submissive when

04:37:36.260 i'm in a relationship whether or not like don't get me wrong i i live by myself i own a couple businesses

04:37:43.540 i'm a boss bitch but when it comes to a man i there's a form of respect that has to be there

04:37:50.420 that she lacks if that makes sense and that's that's where i think he's trying to get at yes of 0.96

04:37:56.260 course it's reality tv if you play all that part like yes but if you put that and you put it in the

04:38:02.580 other room y'all would have been like what the hell am i right or wrong i kind of think that like we're

04:38:08.580 like over analyzing like a what 10 second clip like i don't i just obviously like she was snippy

04:38:15.860 that was attitude but my thing is like so what i saw a whole lot of nothing would you talk to your

04:38:22.420 boyfriend like that if i was like pissed at him and then i'd apologize later but like i don't think

04:38:28.020 it's a deal breaker i don't think that's like i don't think i don't think it's a divorce i don't

04:38:32.020 think we can base like the way they like their relationship off a 10 sure sure look i agree with

04:38:38.180 that i think that's a good approach you have to give some leeway uh i don't think

04:38:46.580 a bad moment is going to be necessarily emblematic of the entire relationship

04:38:52.900 but i mean to her point she's willing to do that in public or well in this case in front of cameras 0.65

04:38:59.220 tech sort of public i tend to lean towards if somebody will act a certain way in front of other

04:39:06.260 people tend to lean that it's going to be worse privately that's very true i think it's going

04:39:11.940 to be like if a if a couple is like yelling at each other in public behind closed doors mind you

04:39:17.940 this is with them knowing that there are cameras right so she's already watered down to an extent 0.98

04:39:24.340 reality tv is fake i don't know yeah well i think that all this is valid and very true but if they had

04:39:29.220 nothing but good moments like who watches a reality tv show that's nothing but good times all reality tv

04:39:36.020 show is literally like people watch it for the drama so like of course like if that's the biggest drama

04:39:41.140 on it then like i don't think it's that bad because like bad girls club like all these other shows like

04:39:47.700 literally which i mean that's not really a good comparison but i'm just saying like if it was just

04:39:52.980 them being happy go lucky the whole season like no one's gonna watch it there needs to be some kind

04:39:59.060 of something there's also like what if that was just her one bad moment what if she just slipped up

04:40:04.580 i mean i think compared to a lot of couples on a lot of reality tv shows that's really not that bad

04:40:09.860 yeah at all imagine how aggravating it is always having a camera in your face and never having a

04:40:13.620 moment to yourself like when you chose this yeah but at the same time it doesn't mean they can't be

04:40:18.500 human and have human moments and be frustrated about that like you know and yeah pregnancy hormones are

04:40:24.260 no joke too that's another thing that was my whole point i'm not saying it's okay but yeah i understand

04:40:30.420 being pregnant it's like if you can imagine pmsing yeah times a thousand maybe odd man out but like 0.94

04:40:37.540 what she said was useless she didn't have to give the attitude like she if he was doing something wrong

04:40:44.980 or like something actually annoying but she was literally in the other room she came out to say

04:40:50.580 something and then she was just rude like you could have just kept walking to be honest 1.00

04:40:57.780 yeah and that's true i don't think anyone's disagreeing that she was disrespectful

04:41:00.820 yeah the point is like doesn't matter word okay um let's see here we are going to

04:41:13.300 there's another tweet oh yeah yeah we'll get to that in just a sec um i think i had one last thing on

04:41:18.900 the logan thing though uh yeah no no just the video just the video on that one yeah she was kind

04:41:30.180 of being 0.99

04:41:34.260 fucked up that was fucked up dumper dumper logan it's over logan divorce divorce her before it's too 1.00

04:41:41.620 late why would you like to divorce he should have a woman she called me born who wait let's 1.00

04:41:47.620 just fuck it let's just do the bow video he should have a woman who who worships him 1.00

04:41:53.540 i have a video of my ex-girlfriend we're about to play like this logan should have a woman let's 1.00

04:42:02.820 just window tab it's fine for this it doesn't need to be to be uh all right go ahead play it i took

04:42:08.100 this video of my ex-girlfriend after a long checked it boom huge bow did you see the bow they see the

04:42:14.500 depth it's fucking amazing all right so i get home after a long day of podcasting you know there's my she's 0.89

04:42:21.300 gonna do my laundry i uh oh dinner's ready dinner red dinner ready not my favorite meal i mean there's 0.98

04:42:28.580 some fucking asparagus and whatever that uh fucking just raw tomatoes hello that's actually i dumped her 1.00

04:42:37.700 because of that oh dumped her immediately the fuck are these tomatoes okay play one more time just the 0.99

04:42:43.540 bat will just boom boom huge bow you see the depth fucking amazing still had a dumper though so 0.99

04:42:49.620 anyways uh that's the kind of treatment logan paul should get that's what i expect from my girl 0.97

04:42:57.220 what do you guys think is that actually your ex-girlfriend yes no would you rather have someone

04:43:04.260 like that that comes and makes your dinner versus someone that works like they don't work at all but

04:43:09.300 yeah dinner is ready when you come home versus versus someone that works and yeah that would be

04:43:15.220 able to yeah that yeah so would you take care of them like financially if they if they're willing to

04:43:21.300 take care of you in other ways yeah i'm gonna take care of clean the house dinner yep you know what if 0.94

04:43:26.980 it works for the both of you fuck it what am i gonna say but me personally i would never absolutely 0.99

04:43:32.180 never i cannot imagine a scenario where i would do that yeah okay do you have a job currently yes what 0.99

04:43:37.860 do you do for work i'm a retail cashier okay so you like greet people when they come into the store

04:43:42.660 you bring them up yeah maybe you like fold clothes or what kind of retail is it clothes shop or it's

04:43:48.820 like a furniture store furniture store okay yeah i fold towels you fold towels yeah okay you ever move

04:43:56.900 things around the store yeah they make me do like furniture carry outs and like big ticket items you yeah

04:44:03.140 it's really funny i swear to god it'll be like the tallest guy i've ever seen and then they call me up to

04:44:07.300 the front and i'm like did you need help carrying this dresser to your car nice yeah i love that um

04:44:11.780 and usually they just watch me do it and i'm like okay question would you this dynamic let's say you

04:44:17.220 met a great guy and he was a high earner million dollars million a year so that's enough you don't

04:44:23.300 need to work right but he wanted that do you do it then okay i mean in the scenario that like he is

04:44:33.060 literally so rich i get anything i want i'm literally a princess all i have to do is just 0.65

04:44:37.380 no i'm not a princess then no i'm not fucking doing it not a princess you don't get anything 0.98

04:44:42.100 you want but he takes care of you then he's not taking care of me if i don't get what i want that's 0.98

04:44:47.300 hold on wait no what do you mean what that is not hold on no what do you think that i mean when i say 0.98

04:44:53.620 i get what i want you said he was taking he was buying you all this shit i don't expect him to 0.99

04:44:58.740 buy my shit i expect him to like pay for my he's paying for the rent yeah you guys are living 0.99

04:45:03.300 together yeah he's paying for food he's paying for trips paying for vacations taking care of the bills 1.00

04:45:08.980 yeah so i get everything i want oh okay i thought you meant like you thought i was just asking for money

04:45:14.420 like gifts come on i mean like okay come on if if it's if he wants that level he's got to spoil

04:45:21.700 me a little bit i'm not gonna be like i'm not gonna be like a brad but like come on like i don't

04:45:27.860 know okay i would take that so quick like okay there's a difference between being like a stay-at-home

04:45:33.140 girlfriend stay-at-home wife and whatever the that video was like that was literally her worshiping 1.00

04:45:38.340 him i'm not doing that unless he spoils me and my legs don't move that fast yeah like i'll be

04:45:43.380 a stay-at-home wife for like less than that but not that you're not gonna bow okay and i'm asian

04:45:51.700 that's the wrong kind of asian i'm not doing like are you a king wrong kind of asian yeah what 0.83

04:45:56.260 filipinos don't bow like that oh you're filipino too yeah okay we bless we don't bow yeah i'm not 0.99

04:46:01.380 gonna mono him either yeah i'm not gonna fucking mono my husband i'll have a white girl doing that 1.00

04:46:05.620 shit a white girl can do that doesn't have to be asian i was just making a joke but yeah okay 1.00

04:46:11.860 uh okay anybody else any thoughts on that not not cool i mean i feel like i have the same take as 0.99

04:46:18.660 her but also like i'm not gonna do like all that for sure okay do you still want her to do laundry 0.91

04:46:25.220 for you on the first date yes first date yeah i think a girl should do walk should do my laundry 0.99

04:46:32.660 on the first date you're gonna draw back around your house you take her home to your laundry you're

04:46:36.980 asking her about her sex life she's already filled out an application right and you wonder 0.90

04:46:41.620 why dating sucks literally no you know it's funny children do my laundry it's funny because like we

04:46:49.860 could joke about that and i'm like so you'd let her in your house on the first date right yeah to do 1.00

04:46:54.980 your laundry sure if a girl just let all the guys in her house on the first date she it's kind of scary

04:47:00.900 i have a big risk to take for her yeah good thing it's my house then no i just mean like on her dates

04:47:07.540 if she was like oh i need a guy to come over and do my laundry okay i'm not gonna lie as someone who's

04:47:13.940 like unlearning hyper independence i wouldn't do that to that extent like i'm not bowing and i'm not like

04:47:20.900 she literally looked like a golden doodle like her tongue was damn near out yeah that's great no i'm cool

04:47:26.900 but honestly like my culture to be honest i would serve his plate that to me is normal that's not

04:47:33.140 that's not crazy yeah that's not like those things are normal to me sure laundry cool if i'm a stay-at-home

04:47:37.780 wife or mom i'm doing everyone's laundry yeah exactly you're doing the chores in the house yeah yeah

04:47:43.220 okay i mean oh you did you have something pause oh i i found that really funny because it actually

04:47:51.140 is part of my cultural javao um and i do have a golden doodle

04:47:58.900 but like i've never so i've never bowed in my life so to me that's just random you know like

04:48:03.380 my culture it's a different like movement but you only do it to elders we just fall into trap after

04:48:08.900 trap after this isn't like this is the the bow thing is not like a fetishization of like asian

04:48:16.420 culture it's something that white people can do yeah for sure it's just not normal like yeah yeah 0.83

04:48:21.860 i get it it is for a western culture it is a sort of a a what's a good word for this

04:48:30.020 unorthodox request it's yeah eccentric uh but i'm an eccentric guy so uh but i don't know to me it's

04:48:40.260 kind of like with the folding the laundry on the first date yeah she can do it she can she look i'll

04:48:47.540 say this right i feel like a lot of women have a problem whenever men say women should do x women

04:48:56.340 should cook women should clean women should make me a sandwich whatever it is right we have a lot of 1.00

04:49:04.500 issues with putting shoulds on women but y'all put shoulds on men all the time like i don't know on

04:49:14.260 this questionnaire men should pay for first dates maybe some of you don't care about this but a lot

04:49:18.820 of women do one two okay three oh wow okay only three of you say men should pay on first dates

04:49:28.900 a lot of women though i maybe it's 50 of women would make the affirmative statement men should

04:49:35.460 pay on first dates well what's the entailment of that so i just want a girl to do this effortless 1.00

04:49:42.820 any girl can do it you don't need to go to classes you that shit's easy i mean i can give you some 1.00

04:49:48.420 feedback some of y'all done fucked up your bowels like you can fuck that shit up like do it all weird 1.00

04:49:54.340 and shit but i i can it's easy boom intuitive simple that shit's intuitive it's easy to bow 1.00

04:50:02.500 it takes three seconds anybody can do it when you when a woman says men should pay for first dates 1.00

04:50:08.340 what you let's say the guy works a labor job physical labor and he makes twenty dollars an hour

04:50:15.060 i think it's reasonable on the first date a guy's gonna spend you know if he takes you to not a super

04:50:20.100 fancy place but takes you to a nice place where you know you maybe get an appetizer main course

04:50:26.820 one or two drinks dessert that's like a hundred bucks if we're just looking at what he's paying

04:50:32.500 for you say he's fifth you know split in half 50 if it is towards you if he makes twenty dollars an

04:50:38.740 hour and your portion of the meal is fifty dollars you're asking him to work two and a half hours 0.99

04:50:46.260 and who knows he's fucking digging holes and shit he's he's physically laborious job 0.99

04:50:53.540 that's a really big ask on the guy you you're saying you need to work two and a half hours 1.00

04:51:02.580 i don't know man i don't know you ask me out though it's like they're asking you out

04:51:08.980 okay what about it then it's like i agree with that you agree with that well here let's test this

04:51:16.820 out super quickly though and see if it if it uh makes sense of all the men who are excuse of all

04:51:23.060 the first dates that you've been on who asked usually them eighty percent ninety percent i would say like

04:51:32.820 hundred percent eighty percent eighty percent what about you isabella um typically the mask

04:51:38.980 give it a percentage uh i haven't been on many dates if you've been on two dates and the guy asked

04:51:43.540 you two times a hundred percent okay we'll say eighty percent what about you do you ask the guy or does

04:51:51.540 the guy ask you i'd say also like eighty percent okay what about you do you ask guys out no have you

04:51:59.060 ever have you ever asked a guy out no okay how many how many how many first dates have you been on

04:52:05.220 many a couple dozen a hundred plus first dates first first date yeah first date like a couple dozen

04:52:14.900 yeah okay what about you like three dates i think and they all asked they all asked 100 what about you

04:52:21.540 i'd say 50 50 but i liked the dates quality better typically from when the guy asked me out

04:52:28.100 sure what about you uh i would probably say about 90 have you ever asked a guy out i've maybe first

04:52:34.740 date first date not like you've been dating a guy for three months hey you want to get dinner no i have

04:52:39.220 once first date okay pass what about you like 90 95 percent the guy asks okay uh so to her point

04:52:48.180 and mind you we have two girls here who've never asked a guy out ever but they've conveniently managed to 1.00

04:52:53.700 be in like multiple had multiple relationships been with different guys so it's kind of like a

04:52:59.140 really privileged convenient position to be in like you've never initiated ever but you guys have you've

04:53:04.740 been on dozens of dates you said so it's like this idea that well whoever asks should pay well it kind of

04:53:12.500 conveniently ignores that women don't like this would be a solid line of argument if men and women asked each 0.76

04:53:20.900 other out comparably like if it was 50 i would even grant it if it was like 60 40 like men asked out

04:53:27.780 60 of the time women asked out 40 it's not not it's almost i want to say it's 95 99 of the time guys

04:53:36.260 willing to split though that's the thing i always come with a card and i have money yeah okay so if

04:53:42.420 they put their card down i'm like hey you want to split yeah every time i've like every time they've

04:53:48.260 asked me out and then they pay i've i've never just gone into it with the expectation that like

04:53:52.500 i will not pay i always say like do you want to split or like every time i order i ask if that's

04:53:56.900 okay or i choose the cheapest thing on the menu and okay well that's you know like later on in the

04:54:00.820 date if we want to get ice cream later i'll be like do you want me to consider it but a lot of women 1.00

04:54:05.700 do have that expectation i think you expect and a lot well let's ask this what the most expensive

04:54:10.980 thing no no the the expectation that the guy will pay for the for the date let's ask this

04:54:17.460 those of you here uh i know not not all of you maybe some of you are fine going 50 50 or what

04:54:22.660 up paying your own bill if the guy say that you you go out for dinner whatever and he's not screwing

04:54:30.820 you over like it's not some like super fancy place that you wouldn't otherwise go to yeah now you get

04:54:34.820 you guys get like uh mid right you go to a mid-range place waiter comes two he says two checks

04:54:45.700 so he's gonna split he's gonna split the bill with you are are you gonna see him again sure no was 0.69

04:54:53.140 the date good that yeah it was okay it was good it wasn't like oh my god i'm fucking head over heels 0.85

04:54:58.420 but it was good it was good okay so that's fine we have had a lot of girls on the show who said

04:55:04.740 say if he doesn't pay for the date there won't be a second one a lot of women have said that i 1.00

04:55:11.940 think that's just like an outdated way of thinking like you know how guys also have a lot of like

04:55:15.780 outdated dating takes so do women that's part of it i don't fully it's not a make or break

04:55:23.220 for particularly the type of guys that i date they are have the provider i want to be a husband i want

04:55:28.260 to be a um a father mentality and they genuinely enjoy taking care of me genuinely it's not something

04:55:36.180 that they're expected they're not something to look for yeah and i feel most like in my feminine and

04:55:40.980 like most like desired and the best that doesn't apply for every woman just like that doesn't apply

04:55:45.620 to every man but um i feel that my sexiest self and my most desired self and my most free self my

04:55:52.420 man is taking care of me and he appreciates me and i appreciate him i don't i don't feel entitled to

04:55:58.580 him to pay for me but i appreciate it deeply and again like i said previously i make sure to show up

04:56:03.940 to the date in a way that he'll also enjoy his his time with me too but yeah like you're not going to

04:56:09.220 show up to a date just looking like a bum like yeah show up to a date free dinner you know yeah sure 0.79

04:56:14.980 yeah like that's the problem that's why so many men get like have have this feeling of being so burned

04:56:19.780 because there are entitled women out there who are just showing up for the free meal or whatever 1.00

04:56:23.860 it is they don't actually appreciate masculinity and the a provider so if you stop dating those

04:56:29.140 types of women you'll probably feel good being a provider i'm never gonna show up to a date with 1.00

04:56:34.420 not enough money to pay for myself yeah if it comes to that like i'd prefer not to but yeah but

04:56:42.100 also like if the guy i don't know like say he plans a date he asks me out he chooses the restaurant

04:56:47.460 whatever and then at the end of the meal he's like i forgot my card yeah i'm gonna pay but i'm

04:56:51.780 i'm be a little peeved oh if i have to pay for him yeah no second especially if he asked me out and

04:56:56.660 he's like doing all this shit and like choosing the restaurant and stuff like bro but like i don't 0.88

04:57:00.500 know if the date goes well then sure i'll consider a second date but he better pay yeah yeah 0.97

04:57:07.300 but you do acknowledge that there are women who can go into a dating scenario with the expectation

04:57:13.060 that the guy's gonna just pay the whole bill of course yeah like what amount of men can go into 0.93

04:57:18.100 a dating scenario ever with the expectation like you could maybe get away with we're gonna go split

04:57:25.700 you can't go in probably 10 like she's gonna pay the whole bill i mean i bet as a guy you can't go in

04:57:31.780 like that no i bet if you asked around you could find a girl that would be down yeah like i mean there's 0.80

04:57:37.060 women out there like that but like again that are definitely less common but they're not like they 1.00

04:57:43.780 exist i did it when i was 19 hold on guys we have a message here 202 donated 200 it's crazy the one

04:57:52.660 girl says we can't judge her from a 10 second clip i bet if you showed the 10 second steven crowd clip 0.90

04:57:59.140 she would have some things to say barney yep true i do think well wait but so hold on

04:58:09.780 so is the entailment like should we judge steven crowder for that 10 second clip

04:58:16.500 that's actually interesting argument i'll have to think about that by the way guys uh well barney

04:58:21.220 thank you for the tts really appreciate it and tts has been just lowered 100 tts 99 tts get it in if

04:58:31.620 you want new message appreciate it guys new new tts threshold sorry losing my mind here jk uh okay

04:58:40.660 so we're talking about the bow video then it got into i was i was basically making the argument women

04:58:45.540 have issues with women have issues when men say women should do x but there are no issues when women

04:58:53.780 say men should do x and i related that to when it comes to men paying for first dates i'm asking for

04:59:01.700 a girl to just do a bow completely effortless harmless takes no effort no money anything like this 1.00

04:59:08.020 but a lot of not all women but a lot a lot of women want men to pay for first dates if a date costs

04:59:13.780 a hundred dollars and he works 20 he makes 20 an hour he has to work two and a half hours

04:59:22.260 to pay for said date

04:59:25.940 so i think we gotta we gotta take have a fair look at some of the asks that men are asking

04:59:32.580 because you might think paying for a first date that's not a really big deal

04:59:36.260 again if the guy works a physically laborious physically draining job it is a big ask to essentially

04:59:42.900 say go and work two and a half hours for the privilege of taking me out on a date well i mean

04:59:49.300 i have a hot take on this there's gonna be people who hate this so be clear but um men and women fall

04:59:55.940 in love differently there's actually different chemicals and hormones in their brain that get

05:00:00.020 activated that make them fall in love women i think it's oxytocin for men it's progesterone men most men

05:00:06.580 i'm not saying all but there is a lot of men out there who the more that they invest the more that

05:00:12.260 they put time and effort and consideration into their woman or into their partner the more that

05:00:16.580 they fall in love just is what it is and so um again not everybody's going to agree with that there

05:00:22.980 are exceptions to the rule but if you're wondering why this became a societal expectation

05:00:27.540 um well part of it is biology and part of it is that they were set up in this way because the opposite

05:00:33.780 leads to less fulfilling relationships less procreation again doesn't apply to everybody

05:00:38.660 but less fulfilling relationships and less procreation and less successful relationships

05:00:42.740 because they're out of the polarity of what their hormones what their biology and what their energy 0.94

05:00:48.900 is inclined to do word i mean but also like if you were to go on a date with a girl

05:00:56.820 and she was willing to pay what if she asked you to bow to her would you do that no

05:01:02.500 exactly exactly yeah no although i have i have said that uh for the perfect woman

05:01:13.620 yes i would okay but also hot take you're saying 20 an hour all that if they're making 20 an hour i'm

05:01:21.140 not bowing to them they can't even take care of me yeah that's nothing in this economy well yeah but i

05:01:26.740 guess i'm what i'm trying to say is like maybe when you were younger it's certainly plausible you went on

05:01:32.340 a date with a guy who made 20 an hour and even young women can definitely have the expectation 1.00

05:01:39.300 that if they even if they're dating a young guy who's not quite you know established in his career

05:01:43.860 maybe he's just working a you know whatever some job making 20 bucks an hour this is something that

05:01:49.940 women encounter all the time still an expectation on men to pay for the first date even if he's not a 1.00

05:01:55.540 high earner well yeah i guess that's fair but yeah i'm just not going to be bowing for him

05:02:01.780 if he's not a high earner it would be pretty dope for me to be like bowing to them i'd do it for the

05:02:08.580 right person yeah why you're bowing what we gotta do are you bowing because you like the fact that

05:02:13.860 he's subservient i want to wait until she's back from the is she back from the bathroom okay yeah once

05:02:19.940 she's back we'll we'll react to the video is that an ankle monitor what is that you have on your

05:02:30.740 ankle oh sorry sorry sorry sorry i just saw it when you were walking it was it was an anklet my bad sorry

05:02:41.300 i'll give you two dollars if you show it just throw your leg on

05:03:00.340 sorry sorry sorry i didn't think it was a big thing i'm sorry i just saw it i'm autistic i'm 0.52

05:03:04.580 i apologize i agree i saw it you agree what that i'm autistic sure wow that's very

05:03:14.260 very not inclusive of you how is that not inclusive just i'm accepting of your diagnosis

05:03:20.980 offensive towards autistic people you just self-identified as autistic i don't know yeah

05:03:25.540 you just told me you're autistic and i'm saying okay that's she sees it she sees the vision she

05:03:30.180 sees the plot all right let's play the video

05:03:38.420 yes and speaking you know you mentioned being a boss babe earlier

05:03:46.820 uh we have a video about boss babes oh goodness all right go ahead play it most people bring flowers 1.00

05:03:54.820 on the first date i brought my laptop so there i am in this fancy restaurant laptop open you're

05:04:01.140 easily trying to revise a contract while this poor guy across from me is trying to order dinner like

05:04:07.220 we're on a normal date between bites i'm running out of the restaurant to negotiate a contract for my

05:04:13.060 clients talking to the agent doing strategy calls with my clients all while trying to keep him from

05:04:19.140 realizing that we're basically in a business meeting did i get a second date no but you know what i got

05:04:26.100 my clients under contract no matter where i am or what i'm doing my clients always come first i'm an

05:04:32.660 expert negotiator and i will literally run out of any room even a first date to get a deal done

05:04:38.820 probably why i'm single but i was about to say

05:04:46.980 was that a promotional video or i don't know she's i guess a real estate agent and she was on the first

05:04:53.460 date with a dude left the first date so she could take a business call or whatever this is like this

05:05:00.260 idea like this is kind of a really good depiction of why men don't want to deal with no boss babe

05:05:09.380 i think if you know when to put your phone down it's fine 0.97

05:05:14.100 like why did she bring her laptop to a no dead ass like she left the the date to uh like take 1.00

05:05:20.900 some phone calls or something if you're going on a date and you can't block out that time then don't 0.98

05:05:24.820 go on the day that's disrespectful men or women schedule unless it's an emergency yeah so at the

05:05:29.860 end of the day like i've dated in my career has nothing to do with it you know yeah if i showed

05:05:34.740 up to a date and a guy had a laptop i would be i don't know why i'm on that date yeah but i think

05:05:39.780 we can all agree that that's crazy yeah man woman it's just wrong you bring a laptop to a date and 0.79

05:05:46.820 you leave the date taking phone calls and shit that's crazy but i do think it's pointing more 0.94

05:05:52.980 towards what is kind of going on when when you got a woman who's a boss babe so maybe it's not as 0.99

05:05:58.500 extreme as that but it's it's a real pain in the ass to try to schedule something with you 0.98

05:06:05.860 because you're so busy with your business or you know your your company or whatever you're so busy 0.97

05:06:12.340 that i'm i'm struggling to find find time on your end for us to actually meet and so when when women 1.00

05:06:20.740 are prioritizing their career or whatever to the point where they're not even they don't even have

05:06:26.500 room to let a guy take him out on a date it's like you have to be emotionally available guys want

05:06:33.460 guys want you to be available to the point where we can at least meet you and take you out and see

05:06:42.660 you regularly do you take your laptop on a date and like make little podcast tweets in the middle

05:06:47.460 no no he doesn't go on dates remember it's just it depends on your priority like if you're going on

05:06:56.020 dates and someone asks me oh are you free next wednesday i'm like let me check and then if i am if

05:07:01.380 i'm not i'll make time depending on how far along the intentions are like if we're three months down

05:07:08.900 the line you are my priority you know i'm gonna make time for date night like you can't put your

05:07:15.220 laptop down for an hour but also what am i doing like i'm not gonna work after eight that's that that

05:07:19.940 would annoy me like yeah uh okay we're gonna move to we're gonna shift gears here

05:07:27.140 bringing it back to kind of like the looks rating stuff super quick question on this do you think

05:07:34.820 you'll be better looking in 10 years time starting with you no okay uh 20 years time uh no oh well

05:07:42.980 duh you said no to the you're 19 will you be better looking in 10 years time 20 years time yeah 30 years time

05:07:52.340 no so do you think uh 39 better than 19 though yeah okay 49 not so much okay uh okay you're 26 into the

05:08:07.940 mic better looking in 10 years time at 36 no i think i'll look just as good just as good but not better

05:08:13.940 but not better yeah okay uh 20 years no just just as good let's do just probably just as good then

05:08:24.100 okay so just as good looking 46 versus now at 26 okay 56 30 years okay going to you uh you're 27

05:08:34.100 better looking in 10 years time at 37

05:08:36.100 yeah yeah 20 years time 47 yeah i'm just i'm thinking about my mom my mom looks helly young is she 0.99

05:08:47.060 single no my parents are married still okay uh 30 years time 57 questionable at that point maybe

05:08:58.100 because my mom's 53 and she looks like 30 asian don't raisin that's right i don't know it's very 0.84

05:09:04.340 questionable but i also wear makeup my mom didn't wear makeup so it's like it depends

05:09:08.820 the uv's are different now okay but sorry so better looking though at 37 and 47 correct then

05:09:15.540 then how you look now 27 yeah and then uh go back say 18 better looking at 18 or better looking now

05:09:23.140 now now okay uh you're 19 better looking in 10 years time at 29 yes 39 sure yeah 49

05:09:31.540 maybe the same maybe the same at that point 59 still the same probably same level of attractiveness

05:09:40.340 probably at 19 then at 19 okay uh wait then at 19 no i meant like at that point when i i just

05:09:47.140 i feel like i'm gonna start plateauing well so let's say 19 versus 39 better looking now or

05:09:53.380 better looking at 39 probably 39 okay what about 49 better looking at 49 or better looking now at 19

05:09:59.700 or the same probably the same at that point okay 59 better looking that's when i start plateauing yeah

05:10:06.660 so 59 the same or 59 worse than 19

05:10:15.300 i'm gonna say better can i explain my reasoning sure i'm gonna go based off like

05:10:20.820 objective looks i feel like i'm probably gonna drop the emo act by that age so people will probably

05:10:25.780 think i think i'm more attractive then right okay uh would you disagree

05:10:34.100 uh bro you could be honestly at 20 full-blown goth versus like 60 classical beauty still better

05:10:43.780 looking at 20 as a goth and then 60 like classic beauty i don't know i some people really hate the

05:10:51.620 dyed hair and piercing so yeah i guess some people are not into the alt look or whatever but yeah

05:10:57.380 i feel like there's a lot of looks but okay how here would be the the the fair comparison would be

05:11:01.940 like kind of just base like no makeup no i don't know white t-shirt versus 60

05:11:11.060 blank blank just like naturally natural natural yeah yeah i feel like then at that point i'd start

05:11:17.220 looking a little worse around i want to say in my 50s yeah okay but blank look 20 versus or 19 blank

05:11:27.060 look 19 versus blank look 40 better looking at 40 still trying to think of my mom too um is she

05:11:36.820 she single bro bro no comment is she single wow i'm just curious uh anyways i think i think um

05:11:48.740 i think sure better looking at 49 better looking at 40 versus 19 okay sure yeah all right what about

05:11:57.300 you you know my answer just different but not better uh well so yeah 10 years in the future

05:12:02.900 all the way all the way all the way different but not better 20 years same 30 years 40 years 50

05:12:09.060 years same 60 years 70 years 80 years so you're over a hundred uh same 0.93

05:12:19.780 okay yeah i will be a skeleton in the grave and i'll look sexy as hell 0.64

05:12:23.460 skinny legend oh my god skinny legend shall we call bella hadeem 0.74

05:12:33.060 okay uh what about you i think i peaked at 30 okay so you're 35 uh so no not better looking at 45

05:12:40.980 yeah no okay and then going back uh 10 years better looking at 25 or better looking now 35

05:12:47.940 better looking now okay pos 22 better looking in 10 years time 32 yeah okay 20 years time 42

05:12:56.980 sure 30 years time 52 maybe not okay when's the peak when's your peak um

05:13:07.860 probably like mid 30s in like a decade uh mid 30 okay gotcha all right um wow okay that's interesting

05:13:16.980 interesting interesting take from all of you uh as soon as she comes back from back there we're gonna 0.58

05:13:23.780 we've put all of you through ai and we've aged all of you so we're gonna do the segment where we

05:13:31.140 react to how you guys are gonna look when you're grandmas

05:13:35.460 gilfs if you will or also milfs so as soon as she's back from we will get right into it 0.98

05:13:44.260 um i do want to say though i'll just fuck it i'll just throw it out there 0.98

05:13:51.460 my dear friends i don't think aging is a bitch i don't think any y'all gonna be better looking 1.00

05:14:03.700 as time goes on wait am i the only one that answered no after 10 years i don't recall

05:14:10.420 okay probably okay well here is my thing like i find aging a beautiful thing because if you just

05:14:18.660 stay youthful then you know you're no different from anyone else but i don't know like but wait

05:14:24.020 there's a bunch of old people i mean okay there's beautiful old people like seeing your um like how

05:14:31.620 much they've been in the sun how many wrinkles they get that can be a beautiful thing um

05:14:37.620 i don't know i guess my only take is like i can afford botox in 10 years hopefully so yeah but

05:14:43.940 well so two things on this uh the comparison should be

05:14:48.820 natural aging well yeah that's why i said but i'm prepared to say a woman who's 20 versus a woman

05:14:54.340 who's 40 but she's had she's 40 and she's had botox still not better looking than how she looked at 0.99

05:15:00.820 20. that's fair like you're still you're 40 but you have botox like you look 40 but you have

05:15:08.900 minus wrinkles yeah well i don't know some of the stuff look some of the stuff they're doing with

05:15:13.940 plastic surgery is quite impressive but uh i think generally kim kardashian's like in her 40s

05:15:19.940 nick do we remember that meme we pulled up last time you know she's a completely yeah if you can pull that 0.94

05:15:24.660 up oh yeah i know i'm like but all right it looks really good dark omen sent me a funny thing on

05:15:34.900 discord uh go ahead and just pull it up when you have a sec uh here i'll read uh isabella can you

05:15:42.740 read this chat while we yes um woman why don't men bring flowers also woman i'll meet you there you 0.99

05:15:50.260 try being bringing a bouquet to a public lobby also tattoos slash piercings are hot septum piercings

05:15:56.100 are red flag and long pointy fake nails are just as bad the nail trend is pure cancer 0.97

05:16:01.940 that's a little extreme of a pure cancer who has fake nails show your nails everybody show your nails 0.99

05:16:07.140 let's see natural fake fake uh nail polish i guess nail polish nothing i'm falling off okay yeah one of 0.99

05:16:16.180 you left a fucking nail in the sink by the way that was me you just like put it off to the side 0.98

05:16:22.180 no i didn't it fell out i was trying yeah you didn't why not toss it you could have tossed it i 0.99

05:16:26.340 did now because i went back to the bathroom and i was like oh no i'm sorry oh you didn't know okay

05:16:30.660 yeah i just left a fake nail just in the sink um it's gone you know david thank you for uh the

05:16:36.180 super chat men really appreciate it reminder uh i think it's if you go down it's probably in

05:16:45.860 fake up wait hold on nope i'm wrong i think it's in the memes okay

05:16:53.540 it is in the memes it's resources memes and then it is the just one up

05:17:01.700 memes you got it yeah go for it pull it up uh you're gonna have to hide a couple things just so

05:17:07.460 we can see it all right hide that so 40 oh no i'm getting old plastic surgery ah that's better no

05:17:14.100 i don't know i mean it's obviously a cartoon but she's better looking and

05:17:21.540 cartoon what the i don't know you guys botch yourselves with this 0.99

05:17:26.420 shit it looks weird man that shit looks weird anyways whatever um so do you rather have them 0.99

05:17:31.860 just naturally aged at 40 then what's that naturally age yeah versus like botox yes at 40 yeah yeah i have to 0.99

05:17:40.500 agree i don't know i i see a lot of women come into my store and i'm like wow you look you need to 1.00

05:17:47.060 just age yeah no they they don't have the botox also some of these young girls with the with the

05:17:53.220 procedures it ages them it makes them look older yeah and it's crazy it's low-key sad because it's

05:17:58.980 like bro you're not even like aging yet and you're already like yeah you don't even have wrinkles yet i

05:18:03.300 know and you're already insecure but it makes me sad for them let's do the the ai segment nick

05:18:09.060 well or wait we have to wait until she's back from the table um

05:18:16.260 what were we was there uh some yeah we can do quick shout outs on all those all right guys if

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05:19:08.260 slash whatever okay let's do the ai segment if you want to go ahead and pull that up

05:19:16.580 all right so we

05:19:17.300 honestly i got it all right that's uh aged all right there you go let's do uh let's do next

05:19:30.180 oh

05:19:32.980 all right not bad you're gonna you're gonna still have pink hair or purple yeah

05:19:37.380 the piercing wait you have stripes on this side yeah oh yeah that's cool it's cool yeah it looks

05:19:46.260 good all right next whoa hey that's on you bro you close your eyes

05:19:53.940 okay all right i look pretty disgusting i did say i wouldn't look better so it's fine okay this proves

05:20:00.420 my point wait what are these ages uh that's that's um the far one is 35 the far one yeah the furthest

05:20:11.940 one is definitely 35. no that's what happens to that's all like in 10 years that's what happens

05:20:18.980 at least i like the party it's fine yeah uh next

05:20:22.340 a good life you became white okay she became a white woman at the end there uh or latina 0.57

05:20:36.340 but filipinos are kind of thing that's not accurate at all yeah my mom is 53 and i could pull up a 0.93

05:20:42.980 picture of my mom yeah that middle one is like what you look like by the time you die

05:20:46.900 oh no i'm dead yeah i don't know oh you see that and i'll pull it up ready oh

05:20:59.700 you look good no wait that middle one looks like my grandma wait that makes me happy

05:21:06.340 okay wholesome

05:21:08.900 what did you want me to say

05:21:10.020 oh wow hey okay not as bad as last yeah last time was brutal yeah it was really bad

05:21:19.860 all right next oh god not that bad not terrible you know all right next 0.98

05:21:29.700 oh hey not bad again that middle one is what you will look like when you die

05:21:34.260 that's yeah asians don't make it that far bro have you seen old asians i yeah yeah i've seen 0.99

05:21:41.780 they don't look no they look like that middle one i swear to god you don't start looking like

05:21:46.500 that last one until you're like 100 yes you do that's not even true like asians y'all don't 1.00

05:21:52.260 like 30 40 y'all chilling 60 y'all okay i will say like for those like from like 30 to 60 you look

05:22:01.860 normal and then like you just drop off after that i will admit wow this is possibly the most ruthless

05:22:14.180 the worst of the batch those eye bags are wild yeah i know that's crazy

05:22:18.980 i better sleep i better it's already yeah i gotta i gotta take better care of myself all right

05:22:24.820 uh and then the next thing we've done we've swapped your gender 0.68

05:22:28.820 oh so the question is would you date the male version of you last time i looked like a drug addict

05:22:37.540 the same picture yikes i kind of like it that kind of looks like my ex

05:22:44.660 so you would you wouldn't i guess i guess the answer is yes perfect nice uh yeah

05:22:52.340 no that's that looks like my ex he has the same nose it does i gotta chase a tattoo it definitely

05:22:57.060 looks like your ex yeah all right all right let's do next dude that looks just like blake i can't

05:23:05.300 would you date the male version of you yeah are we doing the same picture

05:23:12.020 okay there you go yeah that's good

05:23:14.260 no you look like the lead singer of a screamo band that's perfect i'll take it

05:23:18.740 yeah okay i can see that hold on leads that's being very generous but it's like work set of 0.81

05:23:25.380 no you don't go to the shows that we go to he looks like a random ass guy that we would see 0.73

05:23:29.300 no i would say bass player bass player yeah yeah you look if you were a dude you look like you'd have a 0.99

05:23:37.620 giant penis i would like i don't know sometimes you can tell like those little guys like that guy 1.00

05:23:44.020 looks like he has a huge cock yeah look at that smart giant 1.00

05:23:47.300 do you see chat chat do you see what i see you know what i'm talking about how big his dick is 1.00

05:23:55.780 you know what chat do you see it do you see it do you see the vision i don't know whatever 0.99

05:23:59.460 all right um dreaming about dicks over there hey look i call it like burritos burritos

05:24:06.660 i call it like i see it all right anyways good talk uh next whoa whoa yikes no i would not 0.91

05:24:15.460 your eyes were open yeah that's a little better 0.99

05:24:22.500 the fuck you look like i bought it what's up with my eyelids 1.00

05:24:27.940 what the fuck what i wouldn't even date it's because you got these giant you got these giant 1.00

05:24:34.820 ass fake lashes of course it's gonna god forbid i don't god forbid you want to take them off we'll 1.00

05:24:40.820 redo it um all right take them off their next their lash extensions whoa you wouldn't date the male 1.00

05:24:48.900 version of you oh that looks like my ex you wouldn't date him whoa no no not your type okay

05:24:56.980 yeah i mean he's not bad i just wouldn't date him do you have a type

05:25:05.300 yeah which is what i mean i usually just date hispanic men oh hispanic okay all right he's he looks

05:25:13.700 hispanic he could be no he looks no he looks he'd be me but a guy so he'd be filipino but i

05:25:20.740 wouldn't i wouldn't he's just not he's not your he looks like he likes tonight he looks too nice

05:25:29.060 yeah he's a little all right next i like his hair though why did it make me white

05:25:33.860 would you date the male version of you should have given them black lipstick too to really 0.98

05:25:41.540 i'm gonna say no because that does i'm not convinced that that's what i would look like as a guy that

05:25:44.900 man is white well your makeup is maybe he looks like the kid from home alone in the middle

05:25:51.060 like grown up why is his hair like so much lighter than the i mean is it that

05:25:56.340 far off are you are you half no i'm full filipino you're full filipino yeah okay well you're

05:26:01.780 maybe the makeup just threw it off yeah i'm gonna say no because that's not what i would look like

05:26:05.060 i'm confident would you date him though would i date him yeah

05:26:12.180 not with that cut but maybe

05:26:16.500 i don't want i hey if he wants to take me on a date he can take me on a date i don't

05:26:20.100 care is he paying it's a haircut yeah what's your type my hispanic man hispanic man

05:26:26.260 is that a thing with like uh i think for me it's like there's not really a culture difference so i

05:26:30.900 don't have to shop nobody no we're colonized by the same people so it's like it's a very easy

05:26:34.900 transition

05:26:38.660 you're colonized by the yeah the spaniards spaniards that's real a lot of our culture 0.98

05:26:42.260 like a lot of my last name san miguel that's not filipino at all no i get yeah i get but

05:26:48.660 latino like are you talking wouldn't you want to date white men then no why why would i want to

05:26:54.820 the spaniards are white sort of what wait no we're just saying that our cultures are really

05:27:01.300 similar because we were colonized by the same people okay that's i'm still confused what i'm

05:27:08.340 still confused no how what are you confused i'm just saying there's cultural similarities

05:27:11.940 do you like race play with your boyfriends or whatever like he's the colonize this

05:27:17.700 no well that would that would be a question if she dated if i dated a white person that would be 1.00

05:27:24.020 race play if i dated a mexican that's just we have similar cultures oh okay sorry

05:27:35.140 all right good talk all right let's do uh next please you better oh wow it's not bad would you uh

05:27:42.500 would you date the male version of you he looks sweet like that's actually a really good gender 0.99

05:27:47.780 swap by the way like that's pretty reasonable would you would you do that yeah we have our shared five

05:27:53.860 heads so we're good okay i'll date him yeah he looks like he ate a couple of edibles he kind of looks

05:28:00.340 like that's true and like maybe vaguely robin williams i'm kind of seeing that vaguely like a distant

05:28:08.500 cousin he looks he looks vaguely like that guy from the next

05:28:14.420 horribly it looks like an ex of mine oh girl i feel it all right so no all right let's do next

05:28:27.300 i love the reaction

05:28:28.340 oh my god bachelor number one

05:28:34.820 wow wow

05:28:36.820 it's the eyebrows that perspective

05:28:40.260 boss would you date him no

05:28:43.860 that is kind of accurate i mean it's a gender swap 1.00

05:28:48.820 neither even the beard even the one with the beard no i like the beard more than the no facial hair

05:28:53.780 actually yeah so hard no though hard now i don't like those couples that like look like they could

05:29:00.580 be siblings i hate those oh my god it's kind of creepy okay all right oh me i gotta do me

05:29:07.700 all right let's okay all right wow uh the one on the bottom better

05:29:14.180 both both hairstyles beat out the one on the top for sure so yeah yeah did you do the same gender

05:29:19.860 swap as us because why do you look like that and we look the way we do

05:29:24.100 because like you look good

05:29:26.500 uh like this looks this looks real so the bottom one that is taken from a podcast clip because you

05:29:31.940 see the microphone i mean the top one that's an old

05:29:35.140 i know but this doesn't even look like the same like generative ai yeah ours was oh my god

05:29:40.340 i don't i'm not in control of the ai we were just saying we were just saying no i know i'm just

05:29:45.300 saying i have no idea when one of my people in my discord does it thank you to who does it

05:29:50.420 uh i don't know if it's a different ai maybe i don't know does it look oh it looks very that one

05:29:56.180 looks more accurate the bottom one doesn't i feel like it doesn't look that off it looks cleaner

05:30:02.500 the ones that you gave us ours were like so go back let's see all of us look like people unanswered

05:30:07.540 my messages like that man y'all just y'all just y'all just bitter because i'm a hot chick my eyelids

05:30:16.500 looked empty y'all just bitter because because i'm hot as a chick i guess i think i'd be a sexy guy

05:30:24.260 but not somebody in the chat says female brian hotter than the whole panel 0.98

05:30:29.060 uh shit okay well pbr brian on what is pbr absolutely ribbon yeah that's what i was thinking 0.98

05:30:39.140 um all right david ross yeah cancer you heard me every girl's profile picture on dating apps 0.99

05:30:45.060 look at these silly straws i super glued to my fingers as i claw them across the side of my head

05:30:50.580 and pretend to be bent over laughing at the ground but really i look like i'm screaming at nothing this

05:30:55.620 is so that makes no sense this is targeted this is targeted what an interesting thing that is

05:31:03.460 interesting guys tts 100 tts 100 uh david thank you for the soup chat man really appreciate it

05:31:09.700 uh spot on there i guess he was talking about fake nails right is that fake yeah he really doesn't like

05:31:14.820 him uh he dated a girl with fake nails and she did him dirty yeah no we're gonna blast through you 1.00

05:31:24.420 you know what we'll do the we'll do questionnaire stuff then we'll do pre-show notes uh okay starting

05:31:30.020 with uh let's do what would you want the minimum yearly income to be no let's do this do you have

05:31:35.380 any disagreements with the show oh you wrote no so isabella any disagreements it's with your laundry

05:31:43.060 but that was about it yeah you wrote you wrote women don't have to be brian's ideal women with laundry 0.65

05:31:50.820 on the first date something so i can't read that can you read that pond wait no pause pine um chris pine

05:32:01.380 i don't know

05:32:04.500 okay do you remember not a clue great i mean

05:32:10.740 i'm just saying we don't have to be your ideal woman that's it

05:32:13.460 of course yeah that's it my woman should be my ideal though go ahead and you know what let me 1.00

05:32:20.740 give you guys some game okay women some game we really know some of you are single here you know 1.00

05:32:26.180 we got a couple women in relationships i'm gonna put you on game so you can finally get the guy so 1.00

05:32:31.540 you can land the guy i've been very honest this whole night i've been blunt i've said some autistic 0.98

05:32:36.580 semi-autistic shit so you can trust me you can trust me to be honest and put you on some game 0.78

05:32:43.780 so you can get the dude yes that's all i've ever wanted you're gonna help us so much all of you 0.99

05:32:50.020 object to you know oh brian he's such a how dare he want about how dare he want a woman yep how dare

05:32:57.300 he want a woman to do his laundry on the first date i'm telling you if you go the first time it doesn't 0.99

05:33:04.580 have to be the first date but the first time you go to the guy's house this guy will insta fall in

05:33:12.020 love with you if and you might not like it but i'm telling you the effort and the result i think can

05:33:18.820 be pretty electric you go to the guy's house you're not gonna like what i'm about to say offer to clean

05:33:27.460 his house i do that every offer to do his laundry offer to do something for him it doesn't have to

05:33:34.420 like you don't gotta vacuum and clean the whole house the first time but if you can just even the

05:33:39.300 offer he might turn you down but be like is there anything i can help you out with while i'm here

05:33:44.900 the guy's gonna look at you and be like who are you and you might be like man i don't want to be

05:33:51.140 i know that feminist mind virus has you feeling a type of way about oh i can't do i can't do that for 1.00

05:33:58.580 a man if it's a guy who you genuinely like and you want something you want to be something with

05:34:05.220 that man i'm telling you it's gonna buy you a lot it's gonna get you a lot of uh social what's the 0.91

05:34:11.620 fucking term social capital i don't know credit yeah it's gonna be bone brownie points like you 0.91

05:34:17.380 know i tried this with my boyfriend his car was like nasty so i was like can i clean your car for 0.99

05:34:22.420 you and he's like no what the fuck i'll just get it clean myself then i was like no i will dead-ass clean 0.98

05:34:26.740 your car like i love i love doing that and then he's like no i'm not letting you do that like 0.97

05:34:31.060 please let me he might have yes i love cleaning things but even if he didn't let you do it

05:34:37.220 i can't imagine the gesture would ever be viewed in a negative light maybe he was neutral

05:34:43.060 but at least the gesture is appreciated but then if you do actually help him he's going to be

05:34:47.700 appreciative of that and i'm just saying if you can do these things and by the way it doesn't

05:34:53.140 it doesn't really what else you go to the guy's house what else are you going to do well what are 0.98

05:34:58.100 you going to do yeah but like what else are you going to fuck what are you going to do you guys 0.98

05:35:03.220 are going to talk philosophy and okay maybe the guy needs a little breather like get out of his 1.00

05:35:09.060 face and go in the laundry room and i'll just go home if he needs a breather i'll go home

05:35:16.740 i hung out with this guy recently and i did his dishes while he was at work yeah because i was like

05:35:21.140 gross gross disgusting right full of dishes and i was like i'm gonna do it to be sweet also but then

05:35:27.460 i bring it up when he gets back like i did your dishes like i'm so slay should i just not bring it 0.67

05:35:32.020 up after sorry ask what oh i did his dishes while he was at work and i told him when he got back i was

05:35:40.180 like i did your dishes like i was trying to be sweet and then he didn't like he wasn't appreciative

05:35:45.940 so should i just not bring it up after i do it yes does that make a difference i think he should

05:35:51.060 just notice yeah just don't bring it i mean maybe he just expects that like that's just normal

05:35:57.220 that's that's yeah good maybe that was the first date too oh i did that well i mean why were you in

05:36:02.980 his house after the first day what i was gonna say wait i don't know why girl stranger danger why

05:36:08.500 were you in his house on the first day stranger oh you're talking about okay

05:36:14.260 anyways um look i'm just saying you can that's one thing you can do to set yourself apart from other

05:36:23.300 women and that's the game set yourself apart from other women yeah but if you do it you shouldn't 1.00

05:36:29.860 bring it up and be like oh well i'm speaking back to my original point i wasn't really addressing your

05:36:34.820 thing uh i think it's better to not be like yeah i don't think you should you don't even need you can

05:36:41.460 say it but if you're looking for validation i don't think that's the right approach just do it okay and

05:36:48.660 he maybe he'll either notice or you can say it'd be like hey i did this and he can i think you should 0.96

05:36:54.180 be appreciative as the guy thank you for doing that here's the rest of my shit 0.88

05:37:02.500 did you notice the hamper um but uh that's some game what else uh what what other game can i put 0.71

05:37:12.500 you all on like nintendo switch like what do you mean

05:37:16.100 i'm telling you though on this one a little bit of a little single act can can put you

05:37:29.300 can get you really far well with the guy you're into i have a question so depending on like their

05:37:34.020 love language if they don't care about acts of service at all is it the same thing with like the

05:37:39.140 other love languages then like physical touch words of affirmation like what if i mean you can

05:37:45.940 do all that stuff yeah but like what if tasks mean nothing to them when you get further doing

05:37:50.340 something else i mean what guy doesn't i mean maybe yeah i'm sure okay the guy who doesn't like

05:38:00.260 acts of service but it's not gonna hurt it's never gonna hurt but there's something that would

05:38:06.020 but you won't know that until you do it well yeah and then if he expresses hey you don't have to do that

05:38:11.140 then i guess you don't do it if he it doesn't serve you it doesn't serve him yeah what if it

05:38:17.300 triggers his past trauma and then you like 0.99

05:38:20.820 you fucked up oh like she she fucked your laundry up like she didn't fold that 1.00

05:38:25.140 shit properly then yeah i mean one time my brother was dating this guy and then he cheated and then 1.00

05:38:31.220 my brother like did his laundry and then poured bleach all over his clothes so what if it triggers 1.00

05:38:35.140 what if he just doesn't trust yeah then then whatever yeah then you fucked up you put us on bad 0.98

05:38:41.940 game oh how many people have laundry related trauma can i make a joke for like three seconds huh 0.98

05:38:49.540 nothing oh it was a funny yeah it was a funny yeah no it was good it was good i know it was a good one

05:38:57.540 i know sometimes it's difficult with you know some some people aren't naturally adept at certain

05:39:03.220 things but i appreciate the the effort like you know can we do a little round of applause for

05:39:08.260 for uh nicks yeah nicks yeah you gotta be careful you gotta be careful with that somebody might

05:39:17.220 misspeak and i've never had a problem with that you're the first person to say it i didn't hey i didn't 0.61

05:39:22.180 what the fuck i didn't i didn't speak um i'm just saying no one's ever said that before uh oh okay 0.93

05:39:27.540 disagreements let's move on though nope nope no we'll see um no okay that's it for the disagreements 0.98

05:39:36.420 i guess uh what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband

05:39:41.700 at least over a hundred thousand what about you uh 75 to above

05:39:47.620 i don't really care that's the thing so you'll date a guy who works at mcdonald's

05:39:56.100 i mean i make my own money so okay what about you i think about 80. yep i mean i just said more than

05:40:04.500 me because i make minimum wage right now well but so for your future husband so like let's say 10

05:40:09.460 assuming that i'm like established in my career i mean is that you want to have a career or i don't

05:40:14.740 i don't know i'm not how much money do you think you'll be making in 10 years i don't 0.92

05:40:18.100 fucking know right right right you asked me a question i answered i don't fucking know well 0.92

05:40:22.420 i mean estimate based off of what you you know i don't know i haven't looked into it i don't know 0.98

05:40:27.620 what a good number is okay but you more than you in any case i just meant more than me right now

05:40:34.580 okay next as long as it pays the bills we're good next that's good same uh i'd say at least

05:40:42.340 100 okay hold on uh pos what about you um i wrote at least maybe like half a mil but i'm also really

05:40:49.300 bad at estimating that's i mean that's the one percent you know that yeah okay half a mil okay um

05:41:00.340 so five hundred thousand dollars a year that's your bare minimum i think so just i don't know like

05:41:06.580 more than me but i also i plan to um go into dentistry and it kind of just depends on what

05:41:14.420 kind of dentistry i want to get into and dentists can make a good amount of money so i would want

05:41:18.740 to be with a partner that can make more than that okay so you you're planning to become a dentist yeah

05:41:24.260 okay all right uh i mean just heads up though i mean that's like less than one percent of men

05:41:31.300 make that much money so it's kind of what you're working with yeah i have high hopes my partner

05:41:36.740 right now okay yeah she's not easy how tall how tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you

05:41:41.940 would date i'm five five and i'm five five and five seven uh i'm five nine and five seven

05:41:52.260 i'm four ten so as long as they're taller than me like you wrote five five here but okay what about

05:41:57.780 you oh well i'm five foot and i said five eight okay five foot and five seven um i'm five eight i do

05:42:06.580 not care if he's a good person that's all that matters okay i'm five two and um probably five ten

05:42:13.220 five eleven okay i am five two and i think it was like five eight or nine shortest yeah yeah all right

05:42:21.780 would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest starting with you go ahead man

05:42:29.860 a man okay what about you man a man i said bear you did say bear what about you i did say bear okay

05:42:38.420 man man man okay to the two women who picked bear why uh starting with you and then we'll go to you 1.00

05:42:46.420 um i mean this comes from like a real thing i was out hiking one time i saw a bear i just walked past

05:42:51.620 it nothing happened but then i'm thinking like if i'm out hiking and i see a random ass guy and they're 0.60

05:42:56.420 just like there what are the odds that like if i walk past them they're gonna do something i don't know

05:43:02.740 i just i walked past a bear i made it out i don't i'm not confident that why would you make it out with a

05:43:06.980 man then i don't know somebody is saying my tts is broken law fest hundred dollar twice uh we read

05:43:18.900 your chats i'm pretty sure do you recall a blah fest uh blah fest i don't know if you're still watching

05:43:26.180 i'll uh respond to your dms but i am fairly certain by the way the hundreds are not is not tts blah

05:43:34.420 fest at least well now we've lowered it to 100 for tts but when you were originally sent it in

05:43:41.540 a hundred was for reed which is batched 200 is for tts i see one of them but

05:43:49.140 it's this one but i'm pretty sure we well it's coming through donated 100 if you don't see a red

05:43:56.580 flag when she is comfortable looking like she has been slapped in the face by a tackle box you'll learn

05:44:04.420 i'm still just as perplexed and then i'm pretty and then i mean look i guess it's coming through as

05:44:11.300 a tts now but then you also sent this one which i'm pretty sure did we skip it maybe you guys tell

05:44:18.900 me if you recall it it's coming in bluff is donated yeah did we read that another one that i'm still

05:44:26.500 fiddled by i don't know yeah i mean uh anyways whatever it came in now so whatever like synonymous

05:44:32.900 to me hundred dollar tts if you guys want to get it in common sense uh okay where were we oh the bear

05:44:39.460 uh so sorry you why do you pick bear i don't i don't know if i was out on a hike i saw a bear i thought 0.70

05:44:46.340 that shit was cool if i was out on a hike i saw a guy i wouldn't be as enthused okay uh what about 0.72

05:44:51.860 you why do you pick bear over a man um if it's my calling to just run into a bear i thought i like 0.99

05:45:01.060 same thing i thought that'd be cool but like not all bears attack you you've seen all those bears that

05:45:06.180 just want your food in your fridge they like climb into cars and like people's cabins and they just

05:45:10.020 just fart around if i ran into a guy like what are you doing in the woods by yourself too and then

05:45:17.060 you want to talk to me i'm like okay no so i just don't like being around people i think it'd be cool

05:45:23.540 to run into a bear yeah i'd rather be around an animal than a person that's kind of what it is

05:45:29.460 cool um is there a component of like the the man can murder me the bear can murder me but like the man

05:45:36.020 could essay and the bear obviously can't say for me it's not that deep i just want to see a bear

05:45:41.380 oh i thought about that i mean that crossed my mind too it's not that deep i don't want to be

05:45:45.940 around other men i only like my boyfriend not there you go oh yeah queen yeah

05:45:53.140 um okay i guess my mindset was i could at least like if the guy was being weird or like threatening

05:46:00.100 my safety i could at least like convince him somehow versus a bear is just gonna instinctively

05:46:05.300 like attack me you can scare off bears depending on the species is part of the reason that you guys

05:46:11.220 pick bear is it because you're i mean essentially you're doing a risk assessment and you think there's

05:46:21.060 a like high chance that you could be attacked in some way no it's not that deep i just think bears

05:46:27.140 are cooler than guys oh that's a cop-out answer um sure wait can you uh scoot your mic that way one

05:46:34.260 inch and then like straighten the top part of the mic like that uh no no like straighten it here

05:46:42.900 you see how it's an angle straight in the mic like towards the camera so it's like just straight

05:46:48.260 uh perpendicular thank you all right okay yeah that's good okay so question for those of you who

05:46:57.780 picked bear what do you think about this uh would you what do you think about this if a man were to say

05:47:04.900 i'd rather leave my child with a bear over a woman 1.00

05:47:09.780 that's crazy work yeah what do i think about yeah i'd feel more comfortable leaving my child

05:47:19.940 with a bear versus a woman i think that's what would be the reason sure i'll give you the reason 0.98

05:47:24.740 so statistics show because a lot of when it comes to why women pick the bear over the man they say well 1.00

05:47:30.740 the crime statistics men are more likely the xyz so women are more likely than men to unalive their children 0.95

05:47:37.940 born children it's called infanticide they're much more likely to unalive their unborn children more

05:47:47.540 likely than what than men yes more likely than men to unalive their unborn children

05:47:53.540 so then what if people were using this as justification they'd rather leave their child

05:47:59.140 with a bear over a woman because of this statistical probability do you think that statistic has anything

05:48:05.060 to do with the fact that women are more likely to stay at home with the kid and also like get 1.00

05:48:09.060 frustrated to the point of shaking baby syndrome and such it's per the statistic i'm presenting to

05:48:13.780 you is per capita um then i think that's a pretty irresponsible decision to leave it with a bear than

05:48:20.340 a woman it's presuming that the woman is his wife that he has the kid with if it's a random woman i think 0.89

05:48:25.380 that's irresponsible either way but okay but you think it would be kind of like a sexist view to be like

05:48:31.780 well hold on of course like from my perspective i would pick leaving my child with a woman over a 1.00

05:48:37.380 bear i don't think it's sexist i think i just think it's irresponsible well no it irresponsible to leave

05:48:43.700 your to leave it with a bear yeah very irresponsible yeah i don't think that's sexist but wouldn't that

05:48:48.420 point to like wow just because some women unalive their children doesn't mean that you're not going to 1.00

05:48:56.180 leave your child with a woman instead of a bear i the the corollary is there are some men who are

05:49:06.420 violent there are some men who are predators most men are not predators it's probably the wiser choice

05:49:13.220 to pick a man than the bear clearly wait some women actually argue that they prefer they prefer the 1.00

05:49:24.180 bear genuinely over the man because they fear the man i don't so what does that have to do with me

05:49:29.700 okay then it's not your argument to have what about you what do you think you picked the bear

05:49:34.180 for myself but if it was for a baby then yeah like i know but even for yourself i get it look

05:49:40.500 ultimately i think women just they greatly underestimate the risk profile of an encounter

05:49:46.740 with a random bear and greatly overestimate the risk profile of an encounter with a random man

05:49:54.180 anyways i'm not going to linger on it too long because you guys aren't going to make

05:49:57.780 doesn't sound like you're prepared to argue on it so

05:50:03.140 so sad okay uh let's see here uh starting with you bailey or not sorry not bailey uh isabella a

05:50:12.660 mandating a transgender woman is straight to which you agree yes i don't think anybody else here has 1.00

05:50:19.220 agreed with you um so really quick what's your position there uh we've talked this before but

05:50:25.140 i believe they're straight okay yeah do you think uh can i well let me ask the go around the table

05:50:33.460 really quick ask everybody can we get some definitions here what is a woman uh x y chromosomes i think

05:50:43.060 crumbs on yeah okay what is a woman um uh gender or sex there's different umbrella terms just what

05:50:54.740 is a woman what's what's your definition of it did you finish your drink by the way um my energy drink

05:51:00.660 yeah do you want to just pocket it or something okay um oh you're gonna get me here i already know

05:51:06.660 this um a woman is just asking you what the definition is someone in tune with their femininity 1.00

05:51:12.260 there you go that's mine okay can men be feminine can men be in tune with their femininity

05:51:19.220 yeah can can a man identify as a man but also be in tune with his femininity yes okay

05:51:26.820 but so then but that wouldn't be a woman then if he identifies as a man but is in tune with his

05:51:31.940 femininity if the woman declares himself a female okay so self id they identify yeah okay what about

05:51:37.220 you what is a woman i guess whoever identifies as a woman like so a woman is somebody who identifies

05:51:44.500 as a woman i mean i feel like that's like their own choice to decide so if i identify as a woman so

05:51:49.860 i can like you know get picked up by hot babes and uber like i'm a woman well i don't don't change

05:51:58.340 anything about me i just if i don't change anything about me i don't transition whatever i just id as

05:52:05.460 a woman am i a woman sure that's okay so i yeah i mean even if i were well i'll save my position

05:52:14.020 until the end uh what is a woman yeah can you tilt your mic down just a tad just there you go go ahead 0.99

05:52:22.980 ahead to be honest if you have like a vagina okay like born with a vagina because there's 1.00

05:52:32.980 like a surgery right so would you consider that a woman but you just said you didn't change anything 1.00

05:52:38.740 about you no but so you're deaf i'm just asking your definition so your definition of a woman is 0.98

05:52:44.500 somebody who was born with a vagina yeah and you can have the surgery and then identify as a woman but 1.00

05:52:49.460 so if a man who was born with a penis gets a surgery to have a vagina are they a woman they 0.99

05:52:58.260 consider themselves one yeah but do you think they're a woman yeah it does it fit your criteria of 1.00

05:53:03.540 what a woman is okay yeah does it matter where they place the vagina should be where it's supposed to 1.00

05:53:11.860 be where's that down there but like for example so the procedure when men get the neo vagina it's 1.00

05:53:21.780 not that's not pussy trust me trust me bro have you tried it no but trust me that's not 1.00

05:53:30.340 just trust me bro no but it's not like no experience then how do you really know 1.00

05:53:38.500 it doesn't lubricate what the fuck bro how do i they don't make money for that no i'm straight 0.99

05:53:46.580 or wait hold on how do i frame this argument um i'm not gay i've never been with a man but how do 1.00

05:53:52.980 i know i'm wait hold on is this kind of dog shit argument yeah come on take your time restart 0.99

05:54:00.420 are you glitching from the top no i'm just i'm just thinking like how to dunk on your 0.99

05:54:05.540 fucking take um you don't really have to dunk on it it needs to be dunked on um how so how would i 0.99

05:54:12.340 know if i've never experienced it uh okay so just biology science okay like that's not you know the 0.99

05:54:22.580 biology of the procedure and like all the like physiology anatomy that sort of thing i don't need

05:54:27.620 to like have been do you feel her ovaries or what i don't need to be intimate well ovaries are not

05:54:33.700 vagina but you're talking about anatomy and how anatomy is yeah what about it go ahead they're 1.00

05:54:38.420 giving you a fake vagina what sorry they're giving you a fake vagina yes what do you mean like they're 0.99

05:54:44.260 giving you a non-natural vagina you're being non-natural vagina you're being presented with 1.00

05:54:53.220 it's not something that you're come out of the womb with they're creating it they're making no but so 1.00

05:54:58.260 i would be more descriptive i would say it's a hole is being dug into your pubic area and your penis 1.00

05:55:06.020 has been inverted that's not a vagina and i think it's dismissive and reductive to women who actually 1.00

05:55:14.340 have vaginas to call an inverted penis a vagina well the treatment is to make them have a vagina i don't 1.00

05:55:23.060 know what it i don't know it's not a it's not a vagina though okay it it is a hole that is excised 1.00

05:55:31.060 in the pubic area of a man and the tissue is that of a penis that's not a vagina that's an inverted 0.99

05:55:39.620 penis but like what do you what do you be able to tell though i wouldn't would you i wonder 0.97

05:55:45.540 like what do you i wouldn't want to find out but yeah i could probably tell yeah but you don't know 0.57

05:55:50.020 who knows wait hold on wait hold on but so let's say like somebody who's a virgin

05:55:57.460 like they wouldn't be able to just i don't know learn about it in some other way 0.99

05:56:04.260 like i just know like well hold on actually i can just think as a man as somebody who has a penis yeah 0.97

05:56:11.380 i can think to myself what what would it be like if i incised a hole into this area and i inverted my 0.99

05:56:19.940 penis i can do draw a comparison from my own experience and think well if if i had an inverted 0.99

05:56:26.340 fucking penis that would not feel like as somebody who has felt 1.00

05:56:31.460 you're confused i thought you were a virgin oh no that's nick um 1.00

05:56:47.540 what is a woman um i'd say someone that aligns themselves with a feminine identity 1.00

05:56:52.660 okay but again couldn't a man who identifies as as male or as a man align himself with a feminine

05:57:05.540 identity but still consider himself a man then he doesn't align with a feminine identity well

05:57:14.420 well i mean maybe i'm being a bit if he's a man no he doesn't align with a feminine identity

05:57:19.700 no but you you agree men can be feminine right yeah of course so his identity would be feminine

05:57:26.980 but he is still a man and he views himself still as a man then he aligns as a man no but he aligns with

05:57:33.700 a feminine identity if he you're saying if he thinks he's a man but presents femininely

05:57:42.100 yeah so he's like then that's what that is his identity his identity he's like i'm really really

05:57:47.620 feminine and that's his identity but he's still like i'm a man but i i have i'm very feminine and

05:57:55.300 that's my identity as being a feminine person but i'm i'm definitely a man then that's not a

05:58:01.620 feminine identity that is he presents femininely that's what you're describing he presents femininely

05:58:07.060 and then he's still a man yeah of course men can be feminine okay then they can identify that they're 0.95

05:58:11.860 feminine and they thus they must have a feminine identity the term feminine identity just goes over 1.00

05:58:18.420 the umbrella term of people who are trans and don't align themselves with a cisgender identity but they

05:58:23.140 are okay all right that's fine uh what about you i believe a woman is more than just her chromosomes but 0.74

05:58:29.380 for argument's sake x y okay what about you dna x y okay pause what about you the same but i feel like um 0.97

05:58:38.820 you know if a man that was born a man and had the surgery to get a vagina like that to me is still 1.00

05:58:46.660 a man oh still if they get the surgery still a man yeah okay gotcha all right uh so look i i won't 0.93

05:58:55.300 linger too long on this topic because only one of you or whatever uh i at least what i think a woman is 1.00

05:59:00.980 adult human female to your point though if is it if it's straight for a man to date a transgender woman

05:59:08.500 i disagree so what is straight short form slang for heterosexual heterosexual right

05:59:18.340 so baked into that term heterosexual when we're talking about sexuality we're not talking about

05:59:24.340 gender we're talking about being yes it literally uh the definition of it means attraction to the

05:59:31.060 opposite sex or the other sex yeah so can a male become a female

05:59:40.900 um

05:59:43.860 yeah their gender can turn from male to female yeah 0.64

05:59:48.500 okay but but you you do make a delineation between gender and sex right like you'd agree there's

05:59:55.940 gender identity for the sake of conversation i'll go ahead and grant that a man can become a woman

06:00:02.740 right i'll just grant it uh can a male become a female

06:00:09.380 so you can change your sex yeah because i'm already granting just for the sake of convo 0.53

06:00:14.740 sure you can change your gender you think people can change their sex uh no well you just said yes 1.00

06:00:22.660 people can change their gender not their sex right but male and female pertains to sex not gender

06:00:28.100 so there's male what do you mean female gender so as well there's sure i'll break it down like this

06:00:33.940 gender man woman yeah sex male female okay yeah a man could become a woman woman could become a male 1.00

06:00:42.100 become a female according to your terms no according because male is sex right yeah but you agree with my 0.90

06:00:49.060 terms yes i gotta keep that in my head right but you agree that male and female points towards sex

06:00:54.820 and you don't think people can change their sex correct okay uh anybody else here can males anybody

06:01:00.820 think males can become female just curious anybody i have a really interesting thing where i know someone

06:01:06.020 who was born male transitioned into female but is dating someone who was also born male but also

06:01:13.380 identified as now female and that to them is called i guess lesbian like would you agree with that because

06:01:21.860 to me i'm just like so like just call yourself gay you know yeah okay they were both born male but now

06:01:31.220 identify as female and they say lesbian or gay or oh they're both female now yeah oh yeah they're both

06:01:37.700 i'd say lesbian yeah i agree lesbian but without like the the surgery like how do you identify as

06:01:44.900 their sex or their gender i guess both well no they they haven't done like any sort of like surgery

06:01:51.780 or you know their sex is man their gender female um their dating terms uh woman and a woman i'd say

06:01:59.780 lesbian that's yeah that's i mean i think sexuality is comprised of two parts it's like your preference of

06:02:06.100 anatomy and then your preference of gender expression so for me like the question if you're a guy dating

06:02:12.740 a transgender woman so it's a male to a woman yes yeah then in my in that terms i think that you're

06:02:21.700 what's the lesbian gynosexual is the term where you're um attracted to someone who is feminine 1.00

06:02:28.180 presenting which is like and i'm or like what's it called i don't know like a micro label i think that's

06:02:33.300 what it's called but that's micro label yeah in the lgbtq plus community there's like labels that

06:02:38.980 like micromanage yeah i guess but yeah a bunch of labels but when we're talking about heterosexuality

06:02:45.540 when we're talking about we're talking about sex so opposite sex or other sex attraction

06:02:52.740 in this case a transgender woman has not changed their sex they've changed their gender identity if

06:02:59.620 straight relates to heterosexuality uh if you have two males having sex 0.86

06:03:08.820 that's a homosexual act i don't care if one of the males identifies as a woman if it's two males 0.77

06:03:15.700 that is definitionally homosexual well are they i don't are both of them male presenting and male anatomy 0.62

06:03:23.700 like masculine they're biologically their sex is male anatomically too they haven't gotten the 0.99

06:03:32.580 surgery that doesn't just because you chop your penis off does not make you a woman okay that's what 1.00

06:03:39.140 you believe yeah hold on i'm sorry if we're talking about gender that's one thing but if we're talking 0.99

06:03:45.060 about sex biology is a hard science sure this is not up for dispute yeah it's not up for dispute i know you

06:03:53.540 want to be a science denier over there now you want to deny science never said that that's literally

06:03:59.220 what you're doing i'm saying that sexuality is your anatomy and then your gender expression

06:04:04.500 anatomy doesn't necessarily correlate to your sex so you said that yeah you said that you can't go male

06:04:13.300 to female because that's changing your sex yeah sure but you can go like have the surgery and then 1.00

06:04:17.940 there you change your anatomy but they're still both male so that would be regardless of they 0.71

06:04:24.740 could both okay if they both change they're they're both trans they're both trans women

06:04:31.380 i guess this is now presenting and yeah anatomy too my position though is that regardless of your

06:04:36.980 gender identity i don't care how passing you are i don't care uh if you've had the bottom surgery

06:04:42.900 you're still a male at the end of the day and that if two males are dating regardless of the

06:04:49.620 gender identity that is a homosexual relationship i just don't agree with that okay then make a 0.99

06:04:56.340 counter-argument i mean like what is wrong with my position i mean you love to talk about how looks

06:05:01.620 matter okay if so if you're a guy and then you meet up with a girl she's very very why did you do

06:05:08.740 why did you have to do quotes for girl because you want to talk about the scenario of trans women

06:05:12.980 and i know that no but it's your position that you think that that's a that that's a woman yeah 1.00

06:05:16.980 so i do think that's yeah but why air quote it for the purpose of the argument so that okay well

06:05:23.060 okay that would benefit my side but okay go ahead yeah so if you're a man and you go out with with a

06:05:29.060 girl girl girl yeah let's don't forget the air quotes yeah and she yeah she looks like a girl 0.96

06:05:37.220 everything about her looks like a girl and she has the anatomy for it and then she later reveals 1.00

06:05:42.420 to you that that was surgical are you now gay i don't think so i think you've been essayed that's 0.65

06:05:48.820 a different argument yeah but i say it how yeah oh yeah about your gender whatever he thinks if if

06:05:57.940 there are specific circumstances where i think a deception of this nature reaches the threshold of

06:06:03.780 essay in this case uh i know it's not the actual argument so i won't linger on it long but essentially

06:06:09.380 if i would not have consented to this sexual encounter on this like really really important

06:06:16.420 paradigm okay like you've bamboozled me into a homosexual act then yeah i think that that's essay okay 0.70

06:06:25.620 um in any case though so your position again what what what's the what's the position what what are we

06:06:36.180 what topic are we back on now well i i kind of sidetracked there about i consider that like essay

06:06:42.340 because you said oh do you do i think it's gay okay no you said essentially you have a transgender woman

06:06:48.420 who's like super passing and they don't tell you prior to having sex btw uh i'm actually male 0.96

06:06:56.500 oh do i think it's sexual assault no no i'm moving off of that i'm going back to you okay so then why 0.99

06:07:00.980 did you bring it up again what i thought it was worth pointing out that that's fucking atrocious but 0.96

06:07:07.220 yeah yeah so my question was what's the topic that we're back on yeah well you were making the argument 0.98

06:07:13.060 for like you said you disagreed with me on we're back to the is it gay thing anatomy and the relation

06:07:20.420 to yeah what's the argument what is okay you're saying what's the prompt here there there we go

06:07:28.100 what's the prompt you were saying how you disagree with my position on this and you were trying to say

06:07:35.300 well how about a situation where she's super passing the transgender woman is super passing uh has had the

06:07:42.820 bottom surgery looks like a woman blah blah blah all the acts like a woman talks like blah all this 1.00

06:07:48.420 shit why is she not a woman i never said that she wasn't a woman no you were the one you're asking me 0.99

06:07:55.620 that right yeah you're asking me that so i think well no i wasn't even asking that i was just saying i 0.99

06:08:00.500 don't think it's gay it okay so would it be gay prior to bottom surgery from your perspective i think

06:08:09.620 it would be a different sexuality not necessarily gay because like i said i think that sexuality is

06:08:14.420 dependent on both anatomy and gender preference okay question for you um assuming you didn't know

06:08:22.020 the people's gender identity but how would you not know their gender identity that's their expression 0.86

06:08:26.500 that's how they present hold on so the two people in question have penises so it's pre-operative but you 0.81

06:08:33.620 haven't talked to them and you're i don't know they're across a football field and you see 0.97

06:08:39.300 you see a dude like well you don't know their gender identity but you see two people with penises 1.00

06:08:46.500 i see their penises i see their penises you see yeah they're fucking naked they're 1.00

06:08:51.780 fucking on the football field oh beautiful but they're they're all the way in the fucking end zone 1.00

06:08:55.140 all the way in the end zone you see them engaging in both oral and anal sex yeah two penises 1.00

06:09:08.500 is that a homosexual act i don't know their sexualities i don't know you know they both have 1.00

06:09:15.140 penises sure yeah they both have penises i don't know they both look male bro i'm just curious if 0.99

06:09:21.380 genitals don't define gender how does removing them affirm it like gender affirmative surgery 0.99

06:09:33.220 what are you they probably want to be like everyone else you know but okay can can 0.80

06:09:38.900 can somebody identify as a transgender woman if they still have a penis yeah okay so then if that's the 0.92

06:09:46.500 case i'm just confused here because in the situation you presented if gen if the genitals don't define 0.98

06:09:54.580 gender because you're saying they could still be a woman but still have a penis 1.00

06:09:58.660 why would removing the penis affirm it why even need to remove the penis because that's just gender 1.00

06:10:05.940 affirmative surgery some people feel more comfortable like it's more affirmative because

06:10:10.100 you want to look like yeah it helps you feel more aligned with the identity that you have

06:10:14.180 i just feel like it's their choice and if you're not doing it it's really none of your business

06:10:18.260 that's how i feel about like people who get surgery is it's not affecting me so yeah okay um

06:10:25.620 whatever makes them happy like i don't really care that much wait so question with the the football field 0.97

06:10:32.660 one you see with the sex you see two individuals with penises engaging in sex you don't know their gender 0.99

06:10:39.780 identity would you categorize that sex act as homosexual i'd say it's gay in the sense that we call the 0.97

06:10:50.260 whole lgbtq plus community gay you know the way it's that's in an umbrella term okay definition though

06:10:56.900 so wait uh how about this but after witnessing this and you've made the categorization of it being gay

06:11:03.540 you come to learn uh retrospectively that the uh the gender identity of one of the males

06:11:11.380 they're transgender woman do you now retroactively state that the sexual act that took place is now 0.80

06:11:19.460 what is it it's still gay wait hold on i never said that this was straight i always said that it was gay 0.99

06:11:27.060 you wait you think it's do i think that a cis male having sex with a transgender female or 0.98

06:11:35.780 transgender woman yeah is straight that was the question yeah i disagreed i think it's a different 0.64

06:11:42.180 sexuality arguing about i don't know you just you checked my form you saw that i didn't know i know

06:11:48.500 but you started like debating on it you started yeah it's because i don't think that it's gay i think

06:11:53.780 it's a different sexuality like i don't okay wait i have a question yeah so it's two people having

06:11:59.940 sex and we see them i just classify that as public indecency personally so like i classify that as 0.86

06:12:08.020 fucking weird it's a little strange in general it's like a weird scenario but i get what you're trying 0.91

06:12:13.860 to see if i how about i'm gonna give three three uh scenarios and you tell me what you think a cis man 1.00

06:12:20.420 giving oral sex to a transgender woman with a penis is that heterosexual or homosexual 1.00

06:12:27.700 this is for isabella i guess um the act the act of the act is gay 1.00

06:12:36.260 the act is gay yeah the act of giving a head to a dick if you're i have a question yeah do you think 1.00

06:12:44.820 that you can commit gay acts and still be straight can you commit gay acts and be straight 1.00

06:12:52.580 experiment yeah can you experiment to find out can you fuck around to find out and still be straight 1.00

06:12:57.860 yes uh you would probably you'd be categorized as either bisexual if you still have an attraction to 1.00

06:13:05.140 women too uh but typically if you have like a pre like a predilection for penis then you're probably 1.00

06:13:15.460 gay or or by if you do it once for the plot are you gay and then you don't like it i mean i'm willing 0.99

06:13:22.260 to i suppose it's if somebody had so you're saying they they've had a pattern of only having dated women

06:13:31.940 after and they don't have any attraction towards men yeah so let's say i would say they're straight

06:13:37.380 and they i would say they're women yeah and they hooked up with a guy one time to test it 1.00

06:13:41.940 i would say they're straight but that specific act was homosexual and they did engage in a homosexual 0.69

06:13:47.380 act okay so then to answer the question that you asked us you would also think that it's straight in

06:13:51.380 the that that person is straight they engage in a homosexual act yeah in that specific moment 0.99

06:13:57.300 they're definitely in that specific moment but like five years later they haven't had any sexual

06:14:06.260 encounter with a man they don't they're not attracted to men they've only dated women i'd say they're 0.81

06:14:10.820 straight but they were definitely gay then maybe in that moment that's some gay that was some gay 0.99

06:14:19.220 shit i have a question for you then so how do you feel about men they get pegged by women 0.99

06:14:23.380 do you think that's not a homosexual act so it's not a homosexual act it's not a homosexual act 0.99

06:14:32.820 not my cup of tea i wouldn't do it i don't know thank you do you think it's homoerotic

06:14:40.020 how do you define homoerotic homoerotic is just like gay tension basically 0.94

06:14:44.900 um do you think it's gay to want butt stuff well there's a g-spot if it exactly i wouldn't sit if if 0.98

06:14:52.180 it's a woman doing it to you i wouldn't say it's gay uh but it's but if your homie told you that he 1.00

06:14:59.460 was doing that on the down low would you be like bro you're gay i would have questions i might have 0.85

06:15:05.140 questions i might be a little suspicious but if if the woman's doing it it's not gay but i'm i that's 1.00

06:15:12.980 not something i'm i'd kind of laugh at him maybe a little bit i'd be like damn what the fuck like it's 0.99

06:15:18.900 a bit you kinky a little uh not my thing i guess but is it technically gay no it wouldn't be gay 0.99

06:15:25.860 because it would have to involve two males it would have to involve two so what if that girl pegging him 0.99

06:15:32.500 put on like a short guy's wig and then drew on a beard would you start saying that she's gay no that

06:15:37.060 would still be that would still be straight so you uh so you agree that like gender identity has a lot to 0.83

06:15:43.780 do with your sexuality no but she's still female okay so she's female exactly she's male presenting 1.00

06:15:51.700 but then she still identifies as female you acknowledge that there are like women who identify

06:15:56.660 as women but they're like tomboys or they even come like they look more masculine but it doesn't mean 0.99

06:16:03.140 that their gender identity is that of a man i was just trying to fuck with you man it wasn't like that 0.99

06:16:08.660 deep i i don't think it's that deep i'm just having the conversation uh how about this scenario 1.00

06:16:15.300 a cis man having penetrative anal sex with a transgender woman is that heterosexual or homosexual 0.99

06:16:22.980 call it queer like that's another thing what are we doing with all these labels like well it's it 0.99

06:16:28.980 we would be doing a a distinction of it's not these things or it's not that thing basically 0.99

06:16:35.620 okay last one a lesbian a lesbian lesbian lesbian cis woman being penetrated by a transgender woman with 1.00

06:16:47.380 a penis is that a lesbian sex act oh so remember two lesbians two lesbians 1.00

06:16:57.060 a lesbian a lesbian being penetrated by a penis how could this ever ever be a lesbian sex act 1.00

06:17:11.860 well lesbians play with dildos yeah but a dildo a dildo is not attached to a the human being that's 1.00

06:17:19.460 true even better a dildo is an inanimate object that doesn't have a gender or a sex 1.00

06:17:27.540 did it tell you that okay i'm asking though a lesbian cis woman being penetrated by a transgender woman 0.99

06:17:38.260 with a penis are you willing to say that this is a lesbian sexual encounter it's definitely not normal 0.99

06:17:47.380 what's that it's a it's a hetero act but they're lesbian but it's it's i don't know i don't think 0.99

06:17:55.060 you're saying lesbian act what do you mean lesbian act no well i'm like gay act or like homosexual act 0.72

06:18:02.900 like is it lesbian sex it's two women it's lesbian is a gender well female it's a it's a female and 1.00

06:18:12.020 female sex no it's a cis woman a cis woman being penetrated by a transgender woman with a penis okay 1.00

06:18:19.540 that's a lot of sex talk yeah i don't know why are you getting so excited over it's kind of weird 1.00

06:18:24.500 and that's crazy that's the one bringing it up that's so crazy um all right moving on to the next 0.75

06:18:28.500 thing here let's see uh hmm uh you scribbled something jackie i think i wrote the wrong thing

06:18:36.980 okay that's fine uh which one's next one sec we're gonna do uh pause 16 women can't be sexist towards 1.00

06:18:45.300 men why is that wait oh um 16 women can't be sexist towards men you agree why is that

06:18:57.060 i forget i don't think i did that one right um okay all right vector donated 100 thank you man if a

06:19:06.260 trans woman is a woman then she is not a trans woman why use the term trans and if a trans woman is a 1.00

06:19:13.380 woman why is a woman not a trans woman perhaps a man is a fallopian dude holy crap dicks holy crap dicks 1.00

06:19:21.860 can a trans woman transition into a trans man they can go back do you transition yeah yeah but why 1.00

06:19:32.500 can't a trans woman become a trans man you've already went trans once you're not

06:19:36.820 not transitioning snip snap okay uh vector thank for the uh thank for that appreciate it uh isabella

06:19:42.980 can you read this one in one of the warren smith videos he asked if a male who identifies as a woman

06:19:48.980 should receive the same legal access as a female do you agree or disagree should a female who identifies

06:19:54.500 as a man have to register for his elective service okay so do you agree or disagree um

06:20:00.820 um should they receive the same privileges should trans women receive the same privileges as 0.98

06:20:08.500 biological women show of hands wait what was the question we have oh my god bro um how about this 1.00

06:20:15.860 with the uber thing that we were talking about before should a transgender woman have access to the 1.00

06:20:22.100 women's preference thing sure 1.00

06:20:32.980 okay just curious for the women at the table would you feel more comfortable being picked up by a 1.00

06:20:39.140 transgender female trans excuse me transgender woman uber driver or a man you'd feel more comfortable 0.95

06:20:48.260 with the transgender one okay okay you know my answer i don't care who picks me up yeah i don't 1.00

06:20:55.700 go home i don't think i'd have like a preference honestly okay well that was interesting though the uber

06:21:04.100 thing like okay if you identify as trans just i don't know can you get do the woman's preference

06:21:12.340 thing i guess technically you could nothing in there says they can't um all right we have

06:21:20.020 let's see uh isabella you say that there's a gender wage gap jackie say there's a gender wage gap 1.00

06:21:27.300 oh wait hold on wait rewind nix uh you said minorities can't be racist towards white people

06:21:34.420 why is that because i think that our current understanding of what racism is has been like

06:21:40.020 redefined in such a way that that makes out the truth like obviously our understanding of racism

06:21:46.020 before yeah notes um what was our understanding of racism before and what's our understanding of

06:21:52.980 racism now just like before i feel like the definition used to be geared more towards prejudice

06:21:58.260 to like any person of any race for like i guess whatever reason but now especially after the blm

06:22:04.820 movement it's been restructured to be more centered towards like minorities that are um

06:22:10.020 oppressed like you know they don't have enough as much power as i see yeah okay question for you

06:22:16.740 though when it comes to definitions would you would you say that the following definition i'm about to

06:22:23.300 give for racism maps onto reality i think what racism is anybody somebody is a racist if they are a

06:22:34.420 filipino with red hair does that map onto reality what about that makes them racist that's the definition 0.86

06:22:46.420 oh you're proposing our definitions always correct well i'm just i'm saying if i change the definition or my

06:22:52.900 definition of racism is uh filipinos with red hair are racists are you now just a racist does it map on to

06:23:02.340 does it map on to reality if at that point you create that definition and then it's widely accepted

06:23:08.100 by society and it becomes a cultural norm so yeah i think so because language like evolves with the

06:23:13.700 culture so if that's what the culture is feeling then that's the definition okay so you're approaching

06:23:19.300 it like these words are just social constructs basically are they not so like big booty latina could

06:23:26.180 at one day like the definition could change and it it refers to like a white guy yeah language evolves

06:23:32.500 okay big booty latina will evolve into referencing white men okay just just making sure we're on we're on

06:23:40.420 the same page um okay uh so i guess again though knowing that you have a different definition of what

06:23:51.700 racism is uh can you explain i guess why it is that minorities can't be racist towards white people

06:24:00.820 my reasoning for that just like that's the definition but i don't think your definition

06:24:06.900 is widely accepted i think that's what the push has been in recent years but i don't think if you

06:24:13.620 were to pull most people they would accept the this new definition of racism which is correct me if

06:24:20.660 i'm wrong prejudice plus power is that your definition or tell us your definition of racism

06:24:27.620 the way that i understand it from just like what i've seen in recent years it's just like

06:24:32.420 minorities that are um i guess minorities are just like more susceptible to oppression than white

06:24:40.420 people and white people have power over minorities that's just the way that our society has been

06:24:44.740 structured okay and you think a majority of people agree with this new definition i would say so from

06:24:52.420 what i've seen and heard yeah i would be pretty i think hard pressed if we were to do some sort of

06:24:58.580 representative poll of people that would adopt this new definition of racism i think you ask most people

06:25:04.820 they're going to say it would be prejudice towards any race prejudice towards somebody on the basis of

06:25:11.540 their race doesn't matter if you're black doesn't matter if you're white i mean i don't disagree

06:25:15.860 with that because again language evolves like that's the language of the people that i surround myself

06:25:19.460 with that's the language of people that you surround yourself with that's right but you you you alluded to

06:25:26.260 if there's a consensus or widespread acceptance of a definition so for example you could you'd agree that

06:25:32.580 you could be in like a really insular community and that could be the definition but it wouldn't

06:25:38.020 actually be indicative of a widespread acceptance of that particular definition like you probably lean

06:25:45.860 like probably more liberal i'm assuming more progressive maybe leftist or something i don't know so

06:25:52.340 sure yeah probably in your circle that could be the case i don't even think it seems to be a much more

06:26:00.820 more leftist position i don't even think a lot of mainstream democrats

06:26:04.180 necessarily even agree with your position though sure i think yeah cultures yeah language evolves

06:26:12.500 within cultures okay when i say the culture that means like yeah like most people understand the

06:26:20.500 culture to me and like the whole world but like the culture can also be like smaller communities

06:26:25.460 well can i ask you you also didn't circle for so women can't be sexist towards men you can women be 0.66

06:26:32.100 sexist towards men i think the definition of sexism still hasn't progressed to just mean like women

06:26:36.900 are oppressed i think you can definitely be prejudiced towards women can you be sexist towards men

06:26:41.860 i think at this point prejudice and sexism are like equal i don't think we've as it relates to sexism

06:26:48.900 yeah i think the definition of sexism is still like but racism no no i feel like there aren't on two

06:26:54.820 different paths right now okay um

06:27:05.540 you do you think um even though uh how do i frame this you think that uh the oppression that racial

06:27:16.180 groups has faced is uh bigger than oppression women have faced i never said that but well i mean you're

06:27:23.620 you're just asking if i do think that sure i guess if i think yeah do you think racial uh racial

06:27:29.780 groups um let's just say black people their oppression throughout history has been worse than the

06:27:37.220 oppression women have faced throughout history i think they're comparable in their own ways comparable i

06:27:42.820 don't think one is worse than the other like they face very different things what about um

06:27:47.780 um uh i i suppose would you consider this position of yours to be date specific like time period

06:27:59.220 specific yeah say like in the united states during slavery like were women just as oppressed as yeah 1.00

06:28:05.380 definitely blacks definitely whoa whoa what no never mind there's just some people say that that's

06:28:12.100 problematic to say it that way but anyways um instead of black people okay whatever let's just people

06:28:17.780 say that but whatever it's not okay go ahead go ahead um yeah like i said language evolves with the

06:28:25.700 culture through the times yeah but okay were women more oppressed than blacks during slavery no 1.00

06:28:31.460 no it's like not a lot of people have been killed just because they're women but like well no that

06:28:37.460 i mean not always like back in that time i feel like if we're comparing it to then isn't blacks just

06:28:44.740 plural of black do you prefer you you you're afric you're on the african-american train is that i'm not 0.83

06:28:51.060 black so i can't say that but you wouldn't you wouldn't say black people like is saying black people 0.89

06:28:55.460 offensive no i would say black people yeah how do you say the plural like well i guess it's black black 0.94

06:29:02.580 people people that's the plural people is black person okay sure black person black people i 0.95

06:29:08.820 personally as somebody i think saying like a all right chat is blacks offensive i i didn't say it

06:29:18.180 was i said people think it is okay do you think it's offensive i mean i'm not black so i can't have

06:29:22.980 an opinion on that how would you not be able to have an opinion on that because it doesn't affect

06:29:26.580 me personally i have no connection to that why would that matter because it doesn't matter to me

06:29:31.060 but hold on just because you're not black like i just don't have any slavery is bad obviously i

06:29:38.340 think slavery yeah but you're not black so why are you allowed to have an opinion on that because 0.99

06:29:41.620 slavery affects all different races i don't think black people are the only people that experience

06:29:45.140 slavery in the united states yeah sure in the united states it was predominantly black what about the

06:29:50.340 rest of the world well we're talking about the united states but are we talking about the united

06:29:55.220 states that was never clarified well okay if you want to go global then i'm just going to like

06:30:01.060 guys guys stop um if we're going to go global then i'm just going to say white people are a minority

06:30:06.020 in the in the world sure we're literally a racial minority every other race whether if you're looking

06:30:13.060 at asian you're looking at black you're looking at uh like arabic whatever we are a racial minority

06:30:20.100 in the world okay so under this dynamic given that we're a minority isn't it quite quite possible that

06:30:26.420 white people can experience racism sure in their communities yeah white people can experience racism

06:30:35.780 in in their communities where they're the minority so you're saying like for example china

06:30:40.420 if i went to china i could experience racism anti-white racism in china sure because that's

06:30:47.700 yeah okay what about if i went to africa i went to nigeria and you were like the only white person

06:30:52.740 there sure i mean i guess there could be other white people there but there's like tourists or whatever

06:30:58.500 but could i could a white person experience racism in nigeria well sure yeah like i said like the word

06:31:06.260 racism will have different definitions different connotations in different cultures so if you're in

06:31:10.340 the nigerian culture then ah but how about this though let's say i go to nigeria and i can i be racist

06:31:20.580 towards the black people in nigeria sure hold on but the government and the system is made up of 1.00

06:31:28.820 black people who they have systemic and systematic and uh what's the other term institutional power in 0.99

06:31:36.180 the country i don't have white people don't have any power in nigeria how can i possibly ever be 0.98

06:31:44.180 racist in a country like how can i be racist towards them that's not your culture but hold 0.82

06:31:50.020 on your cultural definition so racism is different but so if if you're saying that white people are the 0.77

06:31:55.700 dominant culture in the united states then shouldn't it follow based off of your own logic that black 1.00

06:32:01.780 people can be racist towards white people even though white people are the dominant culture no

06:32:07.540 but so how can i go to an asian country like china or wherever i go to nigeria and i'm act like you

06:32:18.420 say i can be racist towards the native born people the the people in that country i can 0.98

06:32:25.860 i can be racist towards them but i don't have power they have power how can i be racist towards

06:32:30.580 them they have the power that's not your cultural definition of racism no but i'm using your definition

06:32:38.500 i'm using your logical framework so you're saying sorry i forgot to listen to what you

06:32:43.620 were saying no i can summarize it super quick so basically you're saying yes brian if uh you if

06:32:50.500 you go to these other countries if you go to these other countries you can be even though you're white

06:32:55.700 man they have the institutional power they have systemic power they run the government they're a

06:33:00.980 majority in the country they can be racist towards you but you said like let's say i decided to

06:33:06.980 beat up a i went to i went to uh mongolia and i just i really did you know hypothetically i'm

06:33:14.580 i love mongolians but i don't know whatever i don't know why i'm saying this i went to mongolia

06:33:18.420 i was like you know what i'm gonna beat up a mongolian because i don't like them that's 1.00

06:33:21.140 fucked up right it would be racist right that would be racist right yeah even though don't have 0.99

06:33:27.700 institutional power no systemic power they have the power they're the majority so then i ask if 0.98

06:33:33.620 that is the case if i can go to another country and be racist towards them why can't even though

06:33:39.780 white people are the dominant whatever in the united states why can't black people who are i guess the

06:33:46.420 minority in the country why can't they be racist towards white people isn't that what i said no 0.95

06:33:53.620 you said black people can't be racist towards white people in the united states right but then for your 1.00

06:33:59.540 example with the mongolians um right but so you're but it's like a differential here i can be racist

06:34:06.420 towards them even though they're the dominant uh culture dominant group dominant race excuse me

06:34:16.420 are you not following i think she was saying i think that white you could be i think um that

06:34:22.340 you can be racist to white person but anyways her her framework is that your cultural like

06:34:28.660 belief system is from america so you have this american cultural belief system your framework and

06:34:34.500 then you go to mongolian and you slap them you already have your american ideals in your head 1.00

06:34:40.260 that's what she's saying does that make sense for her that's for her framework does that make sense

06:34:46.980 though no not really but i don't know if the cognitive dissonance is kicking in here um again

06:34:53.860 though i'm trying to can a can a asian person be racist towards a white person no can a latino

06:35:02.100 person be racist towards a white person no can a black person be racist towards a white person no

06:35:10.820 to be to be clear we are talking about the us right now sure yeah okay

06:35:17.940 coming from an asian person i have been very racist in a like friendly way towards my very white friends

06:35:25.220 can is that an oxymoron racist and friendly the most slurs paus just drops slurs all the time

06:35:33.540 it's crazy she's been on the show before anyways just i'm kidding i'm kidding not

06:35:37.220 i'm kidding paus is uh very nice um well i guess clarifying question here um

06:35:45.140 can an asian person be racist towards a black person

06:35:50.020 yeah can the black person be racist towards an asian person yeah

06:35:53.380 now i'm just confused well i mean are we are we ranking races based off their societal power

06:36:03.860 well so is it only the case that the only race that you can't be racist towards is white people

06:36:12.740 sure let me pose this question to you sure do you agree or disagree that white people have more power 0.55

06:36:17.700 society like yeah sure i'll grant it for the sake of argument yeah what would that have to do with

06:36:25.780 like a racism that's just like going with my definition in the us white people have more

06:36:30.820 societal power and so sure okay fine i'll i'm gonna bite bite on your definition so let me just

06:36:36.900 state your definition and you tell me if it's correct sure

06:36:39.220 racism equals prejudice plus power is that your definition prejudice plus power

06:36:46.420 racism is prejudice plus power

06:36:50.500 power in the sense of like societal power

06:36:55.620 uh sure institute it could be systemic power it could be institutional power

06:37:02.740 yeah sure prejudice and power okay perfect so if i could let you agree that there's black owned 0.96

06:37:09.300 businesses yeah okay you agree that like some black owned businesses are major institutions major

06:37:17.460 systems and these you know they could be making billions of dollars a year yeah and the board could

06:37:24.180 become uh comprised of uh black entrepreneurs black businessmen etc and these these men are being

06:37:31.780 compensated or women i suppose could be compensated uh robustly making millions of dollars a year 1.00

06:37:38.500 sure okay cool now that we've established that let's assume that a black corp a black owned corporation 0.92

06:37:45.860 didn't want to hire white people is that racist in what basis just because they're white 0.99

06:37:54.180 they want to only hire black people i'm gonna just say some bullshit because why not but um 0.99

06:38:00.340 just give us be good faith give us your honest answer well if it's a black owned business and if at 0.99

06:38:05.060 every single level of power there is black people then i feel that it's safe to assume that this is 0.97

06:38:09.060 a company meant for black people like maybe for the um societal progression of black people sure 0.97

06:38:15.940 um to not hire them because they are white yeah that's in that scenario i don't think that that's racist 0.83

06:38:21.140 but they're not i mean are we did that it would be racist if white people did that though

06:38:28.420 if it was a white company meant for the empowerment of white people

06:38:32.500 wait whoever hold on business it's to make money this no i'm going with my scenario

06:38:38.740 no the black owned company it's not for black empowerment they happen so they just coincidentally

06:38:43.700 like every single person in this company is black and then the first white person comes along

06:38:46.900 and then they don't hire them because they're white it could be a long-standing practice of the 0.98

06:38:52.260 business how about this black ceo doesn't want to hire a white janitor because he's white is that racist 0.99

06:39:03.780 sure i'll bite yeah that's racist yeah because in this scenario then the black ceo has more power 0.98

06:39:11.460 because it's a business like right in the sense of that business that ceo has more power 0.91

06:39:18.020 so you can be told like racist towards the white person again i said within the culture

06:39:23.860 what would you consider the culture of the company she concedes the argument you can see

06:39:27.860 your position then next okay i mean do you but do you concede the position i mean you have to

06:39:34.260 how can you not concede the position when you just granted if a black person has power and they're 0.99

06:39:39.140 prejudice towards a white person that meets your even your toasted definition of racism because

06:39:46.420 in this culture the black person has more power it's a black company but you do acknowledge that there 0.99

06:39:52.180 are black business owners and conceivably they could be prejudiced ergo prejudice plus power racism meets your

06:40:01.700 definition

06:40:06.180 i know the cognitive dissonance is tough but it means i don't believe in that definition but even

06:40:11.380 using your metric i've just presented to you a clear-cut way in which a black person who has power

06:40:18.340 can be prejudiced against a white person i already that's racist i already by your definition

06:40:23.940 huh i already agreed that you could be racist to a white person oh that was in your position your

06:40:29.300 position was minorities can't be racist towards white people okay we're not the one that like

06:40:36.260 but in that scenario that they're not the minority point if it's a black company then they're not the

06:40:41.700 minority black people are still a minority even if they're business owners if the entire company is

06:40:46.740 black which is what you said they are not a minority well what if it's a small business 0.96

06:40:50.260 if every single member of a small business is black that's it's him and his wife him that's 0.97

06:40:57.780 still two to one right now i'm saying it would be sexist whether it's a big big business small 0.91

06:41:04.420 business where did the sexism come from or sorry excuse me i misspoke racism it would be racist

06:41:09.140 cognitive dissonance it would it would be uh it would be racist i are you disagreeing i i don't know

06:41:18.020 whatever so question can black people be racist towards white people no you just okay well you

06:41:31.700 just said they can be so what is it depends on the scenario i suppose yeah well hold on if if it

06:41:38.660 is possible then it doesn't make i mean reconcile it was there is there no rec okay you're not going

06:41:51.540 to reconcile your contradictory position no okay so black people can be racist but black people can't 1.00

06:42:00.180 be racist towards white people yeah yeah literally it doesn't make sense it's a contradiction it's a

06:42:06.100 contradiction yeah 0.99

06:42:10.500 fucking cooked boys we're fucking cooked all right you know what uh there's more to the list 0.99

06:42:15.940 i'm gonna step away i need a little breather because i'm gonna take a little break this girl 1.00

06:42:19.700 this girl's uh i don't know the country i did it guys

06:42:22.900 rage quit rage quit rage quit all right go ahead talk talk amongst yourselves go ahead boss ask some

06:42:31.620 profound that's some profound ask something profound

06:42:44.260 well i think we're all a little sleepy probably

06:42:46.580 oh guys wait so were you like like do you actually like think this way or yeah okay okay

06:43:00.580 just yeah no no i hate white people and it's not racist yeah okay so like

06:43:09.220 if i made someone for like calling them like caucasian and like only going to starbucks for like

06:43:22.180 a coffee is that like racist or is that sorry what did you say like if i were like like if

06:43:28.900 like if brown was still next to me and i was saying that like um he only gets his coffee from like

06:43:37.300 starbucks and he can't handle like space food spicy foods and he's like caucasian like typical like 0.92

06:43:44.900 like like what you think of like a white person the first thing you think of is starbucks wait

06:43:50.980 is that racist what wait what was what was the racism there it's a microaggression stereotyping

06:43:57.220 yeah where's wait where did the racism come from wait you're assuming that wait what no like

06:44:02.180 would you consider that racist if if what if i'm like stereotyping someone because they were white

06:44:09.460 and i just assume that they always go to starbucks and they can't handle spicy foods and i call them

06:44:14.580 caucasian or cracker no i don't think it's racist okay yeah that was all yeah do you think it's racist

06:44:26.500 i mean maybe i think so yes or yeah yeah i definitely think so i would feel really mean

06:44:32.660 i don't like being mean that's what i consider racist yeah just being mean on the basis of race

06:44:38.180 well i don't know like just just peace and love guys don't be mean don't be mean guys peace and

06:44:44.660 love but well what would be like a worse thing to say to like a white person what is the worst thing

06:44:50.420 you could say to a white white person colonizers is that mean or is that the truth exactly

06:44:59.940 okay okay any fun dates you guys want to share interesting i once went on a date with a gangster

06:45:16.820 that was wild how did you take you on like a drug deal or what's going on did you find out after i found

06:45:21.700 out daring wait what do you mean gangster like okay so i was on please please please don't get

06:45:30.500 the hit listed for this okay there's this guy that i was um that i met out on like an orange circle

06:45:38.500 next to the college and he had like approached me exchanged numbers he invited me out very first time

06:45:44.180 we go out to meet he his cousin is there his sister is there um and then somewhere along the date

06:45:51.460 he tells me hey i have to go check on my baby mama and first friend by the way i might go to jail

06:45:58.260 tonight i was like what how about you don't go to jail and i had a couple of drinks so i was like tipsy

06:46:02.900 so that should have been my red flag to go um but then i when he left i was with his sister and his

06:46:11.380 sister was talking to this guy and so we were all talking together and he thought that the guy was

06:46:15.700 hitting on me so he called up all his gang friends and and like in the bar was filled with like six

06:46:21.940 to eight people who were like these gang members and they were like threatening this poor guy in

06:46:26.820 the bathroom and it was like a whole shindig like anyway that's my that's my craziest and you were 0.98

06:46:31.860 drunk this whole time i was tipsy yeah i would i would go out i would tweak it the fuck out 0.88

06:46:37.460 yeah that was a wild experience that would have been rough to deal with and you just like went

06:46:41.460 home after that yeah i just went home blocked his number hopefully not even i didn't i was scared

06:46:48.420 i thought they stalked me or something back home i don't know but i'll clear well now they're gonna

06:46:52.900 get you for saying that i know it's over for me guys nice doing you just cooked oh my god who the 0.89

06:46:59.220 hell cares oh boss why did you press that that's crazy that's so so offensive um uh let's see moving

06:47:08.500 on into the rest of the notes we have nix uh you say men are not the primary victims of war while you

06:47:15.700 agree with the statement men are not the primary victims of war why is that because i think are we

06:47:21.140 taking into the account like what was i thinking oh women and children because i don't know from my

06:47:26.740 point of view like world war ii yeah there were a lot of soldiers are we thinking about the comfort

06:47:29.940 women and like all the shit that was happening with like oh my god in asia um okay yeah um is there 1.00

06:47:39.300 any metric by which men can be more victimized than women in your world view any metric yeah 0.99

06:47:46.980 more victimized than women yes is it ever possible for a man to be more victimized than a woman 0.53

06:47:52.340 sure like generally speaking not like a specific man i'm speaking generally sure okay so even in war

06:48:02.180 women are the primary victims i didn't say that well you agree with the statement i just don't think 0.95

06:48:07.940 that men are inherently always the primary victims of war men well men across the board

06:48:14.740 are the primary victims of war you're just you're just saying that it's true well okay so there could

06:48:22.500 be a guy who is a general and he never sees any battle in war and he's safe and there could be a woman

06:48:31.700 like a female a female civilian who like gets bombed and she's dead 0.97

06:48:36.420 i'm looking at a generalized view of what war is though yeah so yeah is it possible in war that

06:48:45.940 a particular woman can have it really really bad and like a particular man 0.97

06:48:51.220 doesn't have it bad in war sure but if we're looking at the actual victims if we're looking at if we

06:48:59.060 start adding everything up i it's hard to hear a compelling argument for how men are not the primary

06:49:07.540 victims given the fact that in every military conflict in human history men have predominantly

06:49:14.660 been the ones who die who get injured who deal with the trauma related to and associated with war

06:49:21.220 post-traumatic stress disorder this has been called previous things in the past shell shock

06:49:26.100 battle fatigue all sorts of different things predominantly men there's all kinds of

06:49:30.900 atrocities on barbarities that almost exclusively men have experienced as it relates to war men are

06:49:37.780 almost throughout all of human history exclusively they're the actual soldiers who witness these

06:49:43.300 things experience these things i agree with you that yes during warfare there have been civilian women

06:49:48.420 who have been like assayed um women uh female civilians do die in war uh baby boys and baby girls well

06:49:56.740 not babies always just children so boys and girls also die in war um given that though i'm confused

06:50:06.020 how you would arrive at women are the primary victims of war i never said that well okay but you agree with

06:50:11.700 the statement i mean i was more so going in the direction of like men are not the only victims of war and i

06:50:16.820 think it's also important to think of like the men and sorry the women and the children that also

06:50:21.700 suffer as victims of war like what do they suffer from as opposed to the men that are in war i'm not

06:50:27.700 i'm not dismissing that women can be victims in war children can be victims in war absolutely the case 0.98

06:50:34.820 what we're looking at though is who's the primary victim of war would you say that getting shot is

06:50:41.300 worse than getting sexually assaulted just throwing it out there uh i mean it depends

06:50:46.660 exactly it depends well hold on but let me ask you this uh do you 1.00

06:50:53.540 would you kill would you kill 10 men to prevent one woman okay sorry i'm joking i'm joking would you 1.00

06:51:03.300 kill 10 men to prevent one woman from being said like did i just kill them i mean i you don't you 1.00

06:51:11.700 don't have to be the one that kills them you just snap your fingers and 10 men are dead 0.99

06:51:16.660 to prevent one essay was he essay violent enough to kill her no she got essayed and she's still alive

06:51:25.380 yeah she just she was just essayed no big deal but um no i don't i don't think your question was

06:51:31.860 is she dead because of the essay and the answer is no she's still alive well you said it like it was

06:51:36.420 obvious but that happens sometimes okay but that would be a separate crime of murder

06:51:42.660 like the essay itself typically okay this is semantics no it's not semantics okay the question

06:51:48.420 the essay itself on its own does not typically result in death what okay back to your question

06:51:57.460 there he could then murder the woman but the essay itself does not it can it can there's babies

06:52:06.420 oh that's secondary but um so would you murder 10 men not you don't have to do that you just snap 0.74

06:52:14.180 what i caused the death of 10 men would you cause the death of 10 men to save one woman from

06:52:18.340 being i said if she's not like dying then yeah no i would not do that how about wait hold on how

06:52:25.780 about she dies no this is literally just the trolley problem yeah right yeah yeah but i'm trying to

06:52:35.620 right i'm trying to weigh like the the moral oh like at what point is an essay bad enough to kill

06:52:41.220 well because i'm i'm so here look or how many men do i have to kill to equate to an essay the reason

06:52:46.180 the reason i asked this the reason i asked this is because while it is absolutely the case that

06:52:51.300 during wartime women do get essayed you know the invading army uh the soldiers they'll you know essay 1.00

06:52:58.180 the the civilian population it is also the case throughout almost all worlds wars in human history

06:53:04.740 but if we look to more recent ones like world war one world war two women were absolutely being essayed 1.00

06:53:10.500 there's no question about it totally barbaric uh awful crime one of the worst crimes that you can commit

06:53:16.980 uh but more men died during world war ii than did women get essayed like orders of magnitude more

06:53:27.700 so then while we can acknowledge that women are victims there are more men

06:53:33.860 who are victims in this scenario i think the difference is that no woman like signs themselves 0.67

06:53:44.980 up to be essayed whereas men put themselves in war and they're taking that many of men get forced to war

06:53:50.020 and they had especially world war one world war two uh most of them were you know there's propaganda

06:53:55.780 there's war propaganda they lie about what they're getting into um i would argue that there's

06:54:04.580 you know when it comes to informed consent this sort of thing i don't really know if a lot of people

06:54:09.300 know what they're signing up to when it came to world war one world war two i don't think a lot of

06:54:13.380 these men expected to go to the trenches and be out there for months and get shell shock and watch like

06:54:19.060 half their squad or whatever die but in any case even granting even if it was a full volunteer force

06:54:27.540 uh even if you volunteer to do something you're still of can be a victim i just think that like

06:54:36.660 it's different just because no woman okay sure signs up it's it's okay so fine i'll get i'll present this to

06:54:44.420 you 10 men who volunteer to war who volunteer uh to be 10 men who are what would be the framing here

06:54:56.660 would you rather see 10 men who volunteered to go to war be uh killed if it saved one woman from

06:55:04.100 being essayed like if you can control it somehow

06:55:08.500 i just think that's like an unrealistic thing to ask person i mean it's just

06:55:14.820 okay it's hypothetical to test your logic i understand okay what's your answer

06:55:21.380 no i just feel like then no okay so if it's the case for example like let's say there were i don't

06:55:29.220 know the exact numbers let's say there were a hundred thousand uh no i'll just here we'll go higher let's

06:55:34.980 say there were half a million 500 000 essays during world war ii do you even know how many

06:55:40.260 military deaths there were during world war ii off the top of my head not off of the top of my head

06:55:46.900 okay it's like 20 million plus uh let's say there's 500 000 essays it could be more it could

06:55:53.060 be less i don't know i don't know the exact numbers in any case we do know uh quite definitively

06:55:58.660 there were certainly more deaths than there were essays in this case who's the primary victim of war

06:56:06.420 do you think that a death carries more generational trauma than what uh comfort women faced

06:56:13.460 more generational trauma you'd have to explain to me what generational trauma is

06:56:18.100 generational trauma is like it's a traumatic event that occurs with you know one person from

06:56:23.540 one generation and then the effects of it carry on to their kids their family yeah this is a great

06:56:28.980 red herring it doesn't really answer my question i was just asking who's the primary victim well it

06:56:34.020 leads into what i was trying to say um uh i don't know i couldn't say probably maybe maybe not i don't

06:56:45.540 know but it was just a thought i think let's say it causes more generational trauma because i don't

06:56:51.940 know i'm genuinely curious what generation generational trauma does a death like in active service cause

06:56:58.980 can you think of something it's being ripped from i mean but would you argue that that also happens

06:57:05.540 with comfort women with what comfort women like what do you mean their kids are ripped from them 0.98

06:57:10.340 that's the generational trauma like okay this is gonna sound really fucked up but i'm gonna bite the 0.99

06:57:17.300 bullet on this this is gonna sound really fucked up but i just i feel like it's a counter to your 0.98

06:57:26.340 argument so my dad uh this is such a i can't even uh do i even want to say it i would prefer my dad be 0.98

06:57:40.260 victimized in that way but he still lives and hope he can overcome the trauma that was inflicted upon

06:57:45.940 him sexual assault yes okay through this act i feel like it would still be really really traumatic for

06:57:52.420 that to happen to him but i would be happy that he's still alive would he be happy that he's still alive

06:57:59.380 i don't know i here's the thing you can't come back from being dead people do heal i look it's a

06:58:05.140 terrible crime incredibly traumatic this is something that people can heal from yeah but

06:58:11.700 this is just why i think there's so much nuance to that question like can you be more of a victim

06:58:16.500 yes okay let me ask you a question can you quantify trauma well hold on so would you agree that it's

06:58:22.500 traumatic for the boyfriend the father the brother uh of a woman like of a woman who's been essayed

06:58:30.100 can that be traumatic for them i think to some men it could be traumatic to some men i'm sorry like

06:58:37.300 what what you you would agree that they would how about this here's the metric you would agree that

06:58:44.020 they would face some degree of suffering by witnessing a loved one be a victim to this crime yes okay i would

06:58:52.180 never say that although it is the case that being the brother the father the boyfriend the son whatever

06:58:57.780 it is while they can be they can suffer i would say they're secondary victims i would never say that

06:59:04.980 they are primary victims and that their suffering would ever supersede the suffering of the primary

06:59:12.100 victim which is the woman who was essayed your line of argumentation is well um i never said that they

06:59:18.980 were more of a victim or anything i'm talking about the soldier and the woman you're saying women are 0.97

06:59:23.700 the primary victims of war i didn't say that you agree with the statement i didn't here i'll read it

06:59:32.820 i said men are not men are not the primary not women okay well then

06:59:37.860 by deductive reasoning if men are not the primary victims of war then uh who do you think trans women 0.99

06:59:45.220 were huge victims in war um but what what the fuck okay uh 0.97

06:59:56.900 how about this but again i the woman who's been essayed is the primary victim the secondary victims 0.98

07:00:03.540 would be the boyfriend husband uh husband father brother son

07:00:08.100 i would be really upset and really hurt if that happened to my girl but i would never say

07:00:16.180 i'm the primary victim here she's the primary victim right no but but you're doing that to war 0.78

07:00:25.060 and the victimization of men in war and that they are the primary victims how about this i'll give you

07:00:30.020 another one during pregnancy you know it's really hard for us men us us men have it really hard yeah

07:00:37.780 you get your deer in when y'all when y'all be pregnant like we're the primary men are the primary sufferers

07:00:45.380 when women are pregnant and men when you're giving birth when you're pushing out a girl's gonna squeeze 1.00

07:00:50.820 her hand really hard yeah that's gotta hurt oh it hurts she squeezes her hand and she hurt it hurts 0.66

07:00:57.780 am i the primary i won't say victim but i'll say suffer are men the primary sufferers

07:01:03.940 suffragette over here are men the primary yeah because women aren't victims when they're 1.00

07:01:09.380 pregnant that's their but they suffer when they're pregnant in some degree 0.99

07:01:14.740 women are clearly the primary sufferers when they're pregnant not the husband 0.99

07:01:20.500 yeah okay so if you can't i i don't get it all right she can't even grant men all right

07:01:26.740 i don't know what was your argument there

07:01:31.380 i know i was just trying to say like can we quantify the trauma that comes with

07:01:35.620 comfort women that's only one yes we can quantify it war is the most historically researched thing

07:01:41.460 ever world war ii the most researched and documented incidents in human history can you put a number to

07:01:49.540 how traumatic yes we know we know how many men died we know how many men died we don't know how many men

07:01:54.900 were traumatized i would rather be traumatized than die well that circles back to my other

07:02:05.540 question like do you think it's do you think it is worth it's worse to die or to be permanently

07:02:11.220 traumatized for the rest of your life which one do you think is greater suffering that you

07:02:16.260 can heal i believe you can heal from that yeah i believe you can heal

07:02:28.900 we have christine here 0.99

07:02:32.500 christine donated 100 i hate this war question because the point is to show how stupid and 1.00

07:02:39.460 illogical women are you guys make us look stupid because you are stubborn and want to be right and 1.00

07:02:45.460 create clips to make us look stupid wait let me ask you this let me ask you this though you would 1.00

07:02:55.940 agree that when it comes to war uh i mean war can manifest in a lot of different ways but let's say 0.97

07:03:03.300 there's a one belligerent army that's attacking another nation right sure right like guerrilla war

07:03:11.780 tactics well take for example um world war ii yeah okay germany invaded france right

07:03:22.260 yeah and it's possible that when this occurred uh i'm not an expert as it there's definitely like

07:03:30.820 on different fronts in the eastern front when like russia was invading germany and when germany well

07:03:36.260 prior to that when germany invaded russia quite a bit of essay uh to my knowledge i don't know if the

07:03:43.780 rates were as high on the western front uh the western front you know when they were going through

07:03:48.980 like belgium netherlands whatever and into france i don't know if i'm just going to assume there was

07:03:54.580 essay right um you would agree though that there were german soldiers who died invading france right

07:04:03.060 mm-hmm okay were there german women being essayed during that time period from the french sure how the

07:04:13.540 french were not in german territory i stopped listening to what you were saying i'm gonna be

07:04:18.340 so for real i'm so sorry okay uh i mean i'm trying to be good faith here i know i'm sorry i mean are you

07:04:26.260 doing that because you know that you're about to be btfo'd on your point and proven wrong no i'm

07:04:32.420 just tired i'm sorry this is why the wage gap exists by the way i think let me see if you wrote down uh

07:04:38.740 there did you there is a gender wage gap that's why there's a gender wage gap folks men are sturdier 0.99

07:04:46.740 in the face of conversation all right love it uh in this case though can you at least try to

07:04:52.900 participate i'm about trying i'm trying to move on from i basically this is my last point on the war

07:04:59.540 thing you'd agree that german men died when they invaded france yes okay so maybe look i'm not

07:05:07.620 expecting you to be an expert in world war ii i'll tell you definitively that the french army was not

07:05:15.940 at any point in german territory prior to the invasion of uh france

07:05:24.820 so given this the german women were not victims of sa at that point in the war

07:05:32.420 so you would have to concede at least in this specific metric that the women were not victims

07:05:40.100 were not the at least on the german side were not the primary victims of war can you at least concede to

07:05:45.060 that sure what are you conceding to just so i know i just so i know you're not trolling

07:05:51.860 conceding to the fact that german women were not the primary victims in that scenario right and then

07:05:58.100 you would agree in other situations for example in the united states when u.s military men in world war

07:06:04.580 one world war two when they went to europe when they went to uh vietnam when they went you know while

07:06:12.420 they were also in the pacific theater of war during world war ii

07:06:20.500 there was no land invasion of the united states

07:06:24.660 ever well hold on starting world war one there was never a landing like the germans didn't invade 1.00

07:06:31.540 the united states japanese didn't invite invade the united states uh viet the vietnamese definitely did

07:06:37.540 not invade the united states so you'd agree at least from the perspective of the united states military

07:06:44.660 the the population of the united states the men are the primary victims of war because no woman has 0.92

07:06:51.140 been essayed on u.s soil by an invading army on the u.s side sure sure and it's possible that those

07:07:00.500 men the united states men when they went to these other countries it's certainly plausible that they did

07:07:04.820 commit acts of essay but you would agree that from this paradigm the women in the usa were not essayed 0.73

07:07:13.860 by an invading force because no there was no invading force in the united states

07:07:20.900 okay so given that this is a constant factor in warfare there's typically the belligerent army

07:07:26.820 i mean sometimes it can change the belligerent army is invading another country their uh their

07:07:34.500 their women are not being essayed in their country they're women yeah right but then but here's the 0.96

07:07:42.580 here's the distinction you have military deaths on both sides military deaths on both sides

07:07:50.100 they on this basis alone then there's other arguments that can be made you would have to

07:07:56.580 concede that men are the primary victims of war if this is always the sort of dynamics that occur in

07:08:00.980 warfare i mean i was just trying to like bring up the point that my main thing that i was thinking

07:08:08.260 of was comfort women and how it affects generational trauma and comfort comfort women

07:08:12.820 that i know you hate hearing about women um

07:08:19.460 any girl does it oh my god i've never heard the term comfort woman before okay so i'm comfort woman

07:08:26.660 is like do you know what it is now like no that's why i'm i'm being honest i've never heard that term

07:08:31.460 before yeah during like world war ii they took a bunch of women usually very very young took them 1.00

07:08:37.540 from asia and then like put them in camps with amer i think american soldiers and then they were meant

07:08:42.020 to comfort japanese were notorious for being brutal to the women of the countries that they

07:08:47.540 invaded so let's not make this like a white person thing i misspoke it was japanese armies well no i

07:08:54.980 mean there was like prostitution i i don't know look i'm not an expert in like prostitution connected 0.94

07:09:01.940 to like military things but like it is known that the japanese were pretty fucking brutal i know i misspoke 0.90

07:09:08.820 it was the japanese army that did the comfort women well i mean i again i'm not an expert it's

07:09:13.380 possible that these other nations also had comfort women yeah so they were saying yeah they were put 0.96

07:09:21.220 into these camps um and then they were forced to comfort the men by like having sex with them all 0.90

07:09:25.940 the time and then the woman would like you know like one person would have sex with her very aggressively 1.00

07:09:31.700 and then it would just like keep going for hours and hours and hours i mean you do know some of these

07:09:35.220 women were voluntarily prostitutes and some men were voluntarily soldiers what does that have to do

07:09:42.500 with it i mean right in the us you can't be voluntary soldier you have to sign up for the draft as a man

07:09:47.940 well no you can be a voluntary soldier well yes but you have to sign up for the draft okay but so

07:09:54.260 you can be voluntary as a man you don't have a say yeah but she she's saying that some men have been

07:10:00.180 forced to go to war against their will right and comfort women were also forced but then you also 0.95

07:10:07.540 said that some women did it voluntarily sure some soldiers did it voluntarily too right right yeah i'm

07:10:12.740 just using your argument i guess it was her argument i guess yeah anyways okay uh we have some chats here 0.99

07:10:20.340 coming through crazy shit crazy shit from underscore tmr donated 100 as a black man she was off with the 0.99

07:10:29.300 race bovine feces and now she trolling kick her lady read a book there is a difference between 1.00

07:10:36.660 systemic racism and racism every human being can be racist yo cam thank you so much for the uh tts man 0.97

07:10:45.220 i really appreciate it by the way guys uh we're probably not gonna heads up i know sometimes we drop the

07:10:51.780 drop the chat to lower i'm pretty sure we're not gonna have time to do like a row session not gonna have time

07:10:57.140 to uh like lower the tts so we have also no this is that thank you uh spax i guess thank you appreciate

07:11:06.260 it and then we have joe murphy uh isabella can you read this one yeah uh we are totally confused

07:11:13.540 didn't the white male patriarchy patriarchy abolish global slavery uk france and the usa

07:11:19.460 i suppose it's a first world issue reflected around the globe sorry okay uh nix just a couple

07:11:29.140 questions for you uh can men that identify as women play in sports like thank you joe for that

07:11:37.860 uh the super chat in women's sports yeah sure okay um can white people culturally appropriate

07:11:47.140 yeah can black people culturally appropriate i think so okay are white women wearing dreadlocks 1.00

07:11:55.060 culturally appropriating black culture i think so uh

07:12:01.300 i think um

07:12:07.380 are you uh are you wearing a cross are you christian i'm practicing catholic or culturally catholic sorry

07:12:14.420 culturally catholic filipino culture is like there's a lot of ties to catholicism okay but you're not

07:12:20.340 catholic um not practicing like i don't go to church but it's part of my culture okay um

07:12:30.500 you have a cross too are you also christian or christian catholic just christian okay uh 0.93

07:12:39.540 uh while i was gone you said that you hate white people

07:12:46.900 did i admit is that what she said she did say that

07:12:50.100 and none of you guys push back on that that's interesting how that works

07:12:54.580 uh

07:12:57.300 do you want to

07:12:59.620 like why i guess i mean i said right after that i was joking oh okay would you accept that if i said that

07:13:06.580 about black people or i could just a racist statement like that i could just

07:13:14.500 hand wave of the way by just saying i'm joking

07:13:18.420 what's the joke can you explain the joke to me because i'm a bit slow

07:13:22.260 because it was outlandish it really yeah oh okay oh now that yeah that explains it

07:13:29.380 you you don't actually think it's a joke though you genuinely believe it no i don't hate white

07:13:39.460 people what's that i don't hate white people is that the truth yeah my first two boyfriends were 0.97

07:13:45.620 white so okay wait so if i date black women like or somebody dates black women that means they can't 1.00

07:13:55.060 be racist i never said that i just said they probably don't hate them i think you underestimate

07:14:02.100 uh okay well um is this worth more pushback nick or not really what do you think

07:14:12.740 do you do you like white people not for dating just do you like white people like do i prefer

07:14:19.460 white no no no do you like white people sure i'm i'm rocking with white people sure 0.95

07:14:24.980 i don't yeah sure okay well you said you hate white people 0.99

07:14:29.060 what while i was gone somebody just told me that i did say that

07:14:37.300 she did say it but then you did follow up with i'm kidding but how soon after she said it like right

07:14:42.740 after would it matter if i said it like too long after what do you mean if i like waited a beat like

07:14:54.580 if i waited a minute and then i was like i was joking by the way i don't hate white people would

07:14:58.420 that matter would that make it worse that's how you said it though what that's how you responded what

07:15:04.660 i'm joking i don't hate white people yeah if i waited too long would that make a difference you

07:15:08.980 did wait too long my to my opinion okay i'm sorry it seems like you wanted to throw it out

07:15:14.580 and you covered your racism yeah i'm just joking it's just a joke like you don't want to own that 0.99

07:15:21.220 shit like say that shit with your chest you're literally creating problems here 0.99

07:15:27.460 all right i don't think y'all would be as approving of this if uh somebody at the table said they 1.00

07:15:34.660 hate a racial minority at least in well one that exists in this country anyways but okay 1.00

07:15:41.940 is this just like a no accountability night just nobody's gonna all right all right what do you

07:15:48.100 want us to say we've got multiple white people here and like you you have somebody who just said that she

07:15:54.180 hates white people i'm not offended by it i thought she was joking i didn't know somehow okay all right 0.96

07:16:00.420 the world will keep spinning everything will be okay oh boy all right that's crazy that's crazy 0.99

07:16:08.260 should we be are you personally offended yeah are you that are you traumatized by her

07:16:12.020 statement no i'm just curious bro he was attacked by a filipino on the show in the

07:16:16.820 he can't have a filipino uber driver now i traumatized him i'm sorry i play so i mean to answer your question

07:16:22.420 though in the same way that like i would find it offensive if a white person said that they

07:16:26.740 hate uh if they hate black people i would find that offensive i'd find it offensive if somebody

07:16:32.100 says they hate white people i find it offensive if people say they hate women i find it offensive if 0.58

07:16:37.700 people say they hate men so yeah yeah i might have some hot takes but i've said it repeatedly uh i would

07:16:46.740 never categorize myself as somebody who hates women i think women are wonderful uh don't always agree with

07:16:52.900 them on everything like with anybody though um most of the women i've dated have been pretty 0.97

07:17:00.580 wonderful i've had you know a couple bad dates here and there but i'd never even even though i've had

07:17:05.380 bad experiences i'm never gonna ever say never ever gonna say i hate women will never say it that's

07:17:11.460 fair never say it it's not true don't hate women love women women are great but women when they get 1.00

07:17:17.940 a couple bad dating experiences all of a sudden they come become misandrist real quick um what do 0.99

07:17:22.420 you think about men what do you think about men i think men are cool i fucks with them do you hate 0.93

07:17:28.260 men i wouldn't say that are you uh misandrist no i wouldn't say that okay all right well anybody 0.95

07:17:34.740 misandrist here really snap it up is it true uh it's like the opposite of misogyny so you like

07:17:44.340 misogyny you hate women misandry you hate men oh no okay uh all right off of the war thing then

07:17:55.220 uh a couple more just a couple more here we're not going to do all of oh finally 1.00

07:18:00.660 oh my god you're such a brat lady you're such a brat holy shit um let's see here women are oppressed in 1.00

07:18:07.300 the usa jackie you said you agree with that statement nix you agree with that statement 1.00

07:18:16.980 women are oppressed in the usa uh just really quick show of hands who here is a feminist do you 1.00

07:18:22.100 consider yourself a feminist show of hands come on come on nix come on y'all's definition of feminism 1.00

07:18:27.780 what if i said no i'm not a feminist okay um so women are oppressed in the usa women are 1.00

07:18:38.100 oppressed in the usa you agree why is that

07:18:43.060 are you going first or am i you you go first because she had a bit of time so why don't you just

07:18:46.980 uh why or how no how are women oppressed in the usa just disclaimer you gotta excuse me i'm a little

07:18:54.500 tired it's okay i get that but i mean we just aren't usually presented the same opportunities

07:19:01.460 or treated as equal of course it's a case-by-case scenario but overall especially coming from a

07:19:08.260 woman we don't always have the same opportunities like what 1.00

07:19:13.380 i'm trying to think like i said a little tired um i believe in you yeah so i have one brain cell right

07:19:26.820 now um jobs just like how people respect us like a guy could be shirtless but the second a girl even

07:19:37.700 shows a little tummy they're shaming her i mean that's just not the best example but if you had

07:19:44.740 to give me um i agree with you that there there is a an inequality as far as like guys are legally

07:19:53.460 allowed to go shirtless whereas in i think most jurisdictions women can't although some jurisdictions 1.00

07:19:59.780 women can go uh topless can you also get me a room temp thank you but uh you know if like i guess i'm 1.00

07:20:12.580 looking for like what is the like the best example of oppression like the most the brutal one

07:20:20.340 a different country not in the u.s no u.s is fine i'm fine sticking to the u.s and the question is

07:20:29.300 women are oppressed in the usa so we have to stick to the usa maybe one of the closest i'm not going 1.00

07:20:34.740 to say my opinion on it but is the domestic violence cases and when women are believed or not

07:20:40.500 well i mean men are far less likely to believe if they're the victim of domestic violence

07:20:46.260 at the hand of a woman so if we're doing a comparison of hold on but if we're doing a

07:20:55.940 comparison of who's more or less likely to be believed i would then just argue men are way

07:21:02.660 less likely to be believed when they're the victims of domestic violence what about gabby petito

07:21:09.060 okay what about um who's the woman who murdered her boyfriend josie arias or wait jody jody arias

07:21:20.980 is she who is she the one who murdered okay cool yeah i can just give you like an anecdote or example

07:21:26.980 of a woman who murdered her boyfriend yeah what's the ratio like how many more women are killed by their 0.69

07:21:33.780 partners oh i'm sure the statistics indicate that uh more men kill their boyfriends than the reverse

07:21:39.620 but she was talking about belief who's like believed i think women are way more likely to be wait 1.00

07:21:47.780 uh should we believe all women 1.00

07:21:51.780 no not necessarily anybody can abide on this should we believe all women how about this if a woman makes 0.98

07:21:58.420 an accusation should we believe her we should not instantly call the guy guilty i'll say that um but

07:22:06.660 the reason that that initially came up was because there was an era theoretically i haven't done too

07:22:11.140 much research about this but there was an era theoretically where people would automatically

07:22:16.100 dismiss the woman's case or would shoo her away or settle her or whatever it is like you know during

07:22:22.020 the time when um i don't know a couple decades ago so that's where it initially came from was believe

07:22:27.940 the woman um because again things like domestic violence sure but also specifically with um i don't

07:22:34.740 want to get demonetized r-a-p-e-r-s-a um would be they would leave very little physical evidence or

07:22:42.100 there would be cases of um where people were their

07:22:47.940 essay kit what they did at the hospital would disappear um when they for like the evidence and

07:22:53.940 stuff like that so that's where the where believe the woman came from now do i believe that just because 1.00

07:22:59.220 a woman claims that she has these things that happened to her that she that that person should 0.90

07:23:04.420 automatically go to jail lose their job blah blah blah blah no but i do think that if a woman's going 1.00

07:23:10.020 to make these claims it's important to look at her story and to hear her out just like in the criminal

07:23:16.340 justice system how it's meant to be well i think we should take these claims seriously but to just

07:23:22.500 instantly jump knee-jerk jump to we should believe them i don't know if that's the because

07:23:31.700 smuggled into that is if we should believe all women then we should not believe men

07:23:42.260 or if your standard is if somebody says something you should believe it

07:23:45.780 then shouldn't this then equally apply to both men and women 1.00

07:23:48.740 yeah the fucking panel the table of mutes tonight god damn 0.99

07:23:56.900 i think it's like you don't have to believe them but you should be mindful 0.99

07:24:01.060 like i'm gonna use my example here but when i started opening up and telling people about

07:24:05.700 my first boyfriend i don't know if you remember that conversation i remember yeah um when i started

07:24:10.660 telling people about that i didn't automatically expect them to like stop being friends with him

07:24:14.020 cut off all contact but like i don't know i expected them to respect when i would be like

07:24:18.340 hey like if you're gonna plan a hangout i he can't be there if i'm gonna be there you know

07:24:23.380 like i expected them to be mindful i didn't expect them to just like blindly trust what i was saying

07:24:28.020 i appreciated when they asked me for more details to like form their own opinion on it i'd never

07:24:32.900 held a grudge against my friends that continued to talk to him i just think it's like you should be mindful

07:24:37.780 uh i guess yeah um

07:24:48.740 oh did andrew just do a raid oh sweet yo thank you andrew i don't know if you're tuning in but

07:24:53.780 uh thank you for the raid man welcome crucible guys we just had a crazy back and forth we've got uh nix

07:25:01.460 over here and i gotta tell you she is a raging feminist uh can't be racist towards white people 1.00

07:25:09.940 uh can't sexist towards men i don't know she thinks she thinks women are the primary victims of war 1.00

07:25:18.420 uh we got some crazy she definitely did say that shit she hates white people 1.00

07:25:24.420 wait question i'm still like i'm a little confused by the whole boyfriend situation that 0.99

07:25:32.340 you're talking about i love talking about him well what i guess my confusion my interest like my

07:25:38.580 confusion is is

07:25:43.380 okay you dated the dude for two years right about yeah and you sometimes had consensual sex with him

07:25:50.900 a few times and sometimes not most of the time yeah that's that's kind of confusing what about it

07:26:02.180 well if you like wouldn't you break up with the guy like i don't know i touched on this earlier but

07:26:08.580 like i didn't realize in the moment like what was going on how bad it was like i didn't realize until

07:26:13.220 like it it kept going that i was like i can't be in this situation this isn't good this isn't right

07:26:18.580 it just took me a while to process it can i ask you have you over the course of a week

07:26:25.380 was there ever a time where on one day you did have consensual sex with him and then like a couple

07:26:30.980 days later you didn't yeah

07:26:36.020 so would the pattern could the pattern ever have looks like this consensual sex non-consensual

07:26:42.180 like back and forth back and forth um sure there was probably a time where that pattern happened

07:26:50.900 yeah but like i was saying more off more often than not it was non-consensual there were very few

07:26:56.740 times where i was like genuinely wanted to have sex with him ask all the questions you want i love 0.77

07:27:04.580 talking about this i have to just uh i want to be like delicate with it because it's obviously

07:27:10.900 no feel free

07:27:15.540 did you ever give him a non-consensual bj

07:27:20.820 no i never gave him one willingly there you go

07:27:25.540 wait but so you did give him a bj yeah because he asked me to and i didn't do it willingly so he

07:27:32.580 physically grabbed your head and forced you to do it uh not physically grab like he'd be like can 0.55

07:27:40.180 you give me head i'm like and he'd be like please pretty pretty please please give me head and then

07:27:45.620 you consented to doing it coercion isn't consent but he he didn't you're saying he never physically

07:27:54.260 forced you well do you agree that coercion is like well it would it would depend what you mean by

07:28:00.260 coercion like he would keep asking and even after i established that i didn't want to

07:28:05.540 and then it would get to a point where i was just like so uncomfortable i did it to like just to

07:28:09.460 get him to shut up basically or like to get it to be over with like i never okay i never 0.69

07:28:14.660 willingly wanted to i was never like can i please give you head well i think that i i don't think

07:28:20.180 men should be pushy like that yeah but i think there's a difference between pushy and coercion

07:28:26.100 yeah but so what was he doing specifically that was coercive um you know he would ask i'd say no he

07:28:35.060 would like sometimes he would get mopey sometimes he would like like mopey to try to make me like feel 0.85

07:28:41.140 bad and then he'd be like can we have sex and then i'm like are you gonna keep whining if i say no 0.87

07:28:45.300 basically and then you know because remember how i told you this definition i have been essayed

07:28:52.660 i'm so sorry to hear that no i'm sorry to hear that i was a little tired and my girl at the time 0.86

07:29:00.580 she was a firecracker man like she she always wanted to fuck sometimes i had to be like girl 1.00

07:29:06.420 chill like chill and she was always respectful right but a couple times she was a little mopey 1.00

07:29:10.900 and she started you know kissing me on my neck and i was like i'm gonna have to slaying some 0.99

07:29:17.620 dick is that is that was isa though because she was mopey no she was mopey bro she was doing it with 0.99

07:29:26.820 the if she was doing it with the intention to try to coerce you and oh she was definitely trying to 0.84

07:29:30.980 convince me exactly because you said she you said that she was like kissing up on you and 1.00

07:29:34.580 shit after you said no popping her titties out and fucking taking her clothes off i think that's 1.00

07:29:39.300 coercion like genuinely that makes me uncomfortable the the oh wait never right never right it's not 1.00

07:29:45.060 related um i think that is cool have i been was isa'd yeah i think so but it's also like oh my gosh 0.88

07:29:53.300 sam barber pd i'm coming i'm coming from that police report shit yeah okay but look um okay so he would 0.77

07:30:02.020 get but would would he ever like grab you and like physically force you 0.99

07:30:10.660 not into giving head but like yeah he would just start putting hands on me like he'd grab your boob 0.58

07:30:17.700 like he would just start going without like he wouldn't even like look at

07:30:21.940 me or like my face to see how i was reacting he would just go

07:30:24.580 you're a little deadpan though can you like what like was it a look of pure disgust you gave him

07:30:33.940 or well there were a few times where i would just like you know i'd be like laying on the bed and i

07:30:39.780 would just be like zoning out completely and i wouldn't be present at all and then he like

07:30:44.180 he would start and then afterwards he would realize i'm not reacting i'm not even doing anything and

07:30:48.500 then he's like oh did you not want to have sex and then i'm like 0.85

07:30:53.380 did you stop did you sometimes so there's an important distinction here which is like yes there

07:30:59.300 is a difference between like okay my boyfriend or my girlfriend just like won't shut up and won't

07:31:04.260 leave me alone and so like let's just do it like you know or whatever and then i still think that

07:31:08.260 that's coercion sure yeah and there's also the physiological response to it too meaning that

07:31:13.940 for example especially if somebody's disassociating if some that means that their nervous

07:31:18.100 system does not feel safe with this person and understands that there's danger present

07:31:22.260 and that's where i think a very distinct line between coercion comes because they're not their

07:31:26.420 mind goes numb they get brain fog they start to disassociate from their body um they're afterwards

07:31:32.420 their body can even shake or feel psychological and physiological symptoms because they realize that

07:31:37.940 they were in shutdown and fight or flight mode so they fight fight or fight flight or freeze freeze

07:31:42.980 is one of those responses and so yeah like you know again like um there's a difference between a

07:31:50.100 relationship dynamic where somebody feels safe to say no and like be like no just like 0.97

07:31:56.180 fuck off we're not having sex tonight in a relationship that's built on a series of events 0.98

07:32:00.340 or a relationship pattern where they don't feel safe to be honoring their boundaries and where 1.00

07:32:04.820 it's becoming expected and almost conditioned for a person to respond and not have any

07:32:12.180 parties boundaries honored and that's where i think coercion is

07:32:16.820 did you ever feel like you were in danger from him um i wouldn't say in danger i didn't think he was

07:32:24.100 ever going to like harm me but i definitely like i guess i felt in danger in the sense that like i

07:32:30.020 every time i hung out with him i knew he was going to ask for sex and so i felt unsafe and uncomfortable

07:32:33.620 around him but i never he's like you're dating the guy isn't it kind of expected that he's going to ask

07:32:40.100 to have sex well yeah it's not a bad thing that he asked for sex it's just that i knew 0.50

07:32:45.140 even if i said no like it was going to happen were there any instances of other

07:32:50.340 cases or scenarios where he would violate your boundaries and he felt like you couldn't say no

07:32:53.860 in in what way i mean it could be anything in the little things like anything like about like

07:33:01.540 how he interacted with you on dates how he responded to other boundaries around your family around your 0.94

07:33:05.940 friends i would say i don't know this sounds a little bit stupid but yeah you would kind of i 1.00

07:33:11.540 would be like can you tell me if you talk to girls and be like no that's stupid why are you like 0.98

07:33:15.380 like and i guess that was like a boundary in my way i'm just okay so 0.97

07:33:24.900 you never gave a consensual bj no but he also never physically forced you to do it no you were coerced

07:33:35.540 yes and that would involve him like asking you a couple times and being mopey sometimes that was the

07:33:44.820 method he chose i'm gonna go ahead and say that's a really terrible dynamic and men should not be

07:33:54.740 i guess sometimes they use the term sex pest or whatever

07:34:00.260 i don't know if this meets the legal definition of essay sure it was violating to me i felt really

07:34:06.980 uncomfortable i felt like i was not being respected but this is only one of the scenarios

07:34:12.500 there were other scenarios where i was definitely like i just didn't want to but he didn't fit i

07:34:19.060 guess like when we're when i think of coercion i'm thinking of like threats intimidation

07:34:26.500 do you want like my worst example uh it's not violent it's just very uncomfortable

07:34:33.060 is the it sure but really quick question on that is the that the worst example was that

07:34:42.100 pretty common well i guess not if it was the worst one i don't know this is also just the

07:34:47.380 worst one that i can remember there were definitely times where i'm just like i can't remember it at

07:34:51.140 all um but this one it was his birthday and then i like started the day by saying like hey i know it's

07:34:57.540 like your birthday and everything but i really really don't want to have sex today like i just feel 0.52

07:35:01.300 really really bad today i really don't want to and he's like sure of course we hang out it's like

07:35:06.180 we spend the whole day together we're with his friends he's at we go to the pool with his friends

07:35:10.340 and i guess he starts like trying to make advances and i'm like hey like remember what i told you

07:35:13.940 like i really kind of really don't want to and then he's like oh yeah yeah of course of course that's

07:35:17.700 fine um but then i was like oh like i gotta go home from the pool now and i don't think we can hang

07:35:23.220 out after because i got a shower and everything and he's like oh why don't i just drive you to your

07:35:27.140 house and then like i'll just wait for you while you shower and then i was like sure if you promise

07:35:31.220 that you won't try anything and he was like yeah of course i'll just take you home i get in the shower

07:35:35.140 and then he's like hey can i watch you shower and i'm like as long as you promise you don't do

07:35:39.060 any things i really don't want to and i think you can see where the rest of that goes okay unless you

07:35:44.980 need me to elaborate um i don't know women on the panel do you think that that's 1.00

07:35:57.460 essay i think it could be i think that that could be i think that could be essay um

07:36:05.700 i think that there is a better example of like what is possibly actually yeah there was definitely

07:36:11.220 like more subtle moments where like it was just like talking me into it or like not really asking

07:36:15.460 for my consent or like looking for it but that one was probably definitely the worst like most

07:36:21.380 outward one i'm gonna hold up in court but it could be yeah because there's no evidence for that it's

07:36:26.980 just like he she said he said you know that's why i never took it to court

07:36:33.860 i could see that as a form of conditioning in the relationship you stayed conditioning me into being

07:36:38.420 okay with you you stayed with him for two years yeah so they're there and you're saying there was

07:36:45.940 like it would be uh on monday you have consensual sex thursday non-consensual uh saturday consent uh

07:36:54.100 consensual monday non-consensual wednesday consensual like that that was the pattern kind of could be

07:37:01.140 yeah it could happen like that yeah did you ever talk to him about this issue that you were having

07:37:04.900 with him like not during sex there were a few times where i were like hey i don't really like

07:37:09.940 how we treat sex in our relationship and then he'd be like oh yeah of course and then i'd be like okay

07:37:15.460 so is anything gonna change and then like nothing would really change why did you stay for two years

07:37:20.900 like i said i just didn't realize how bad it was and i just like and then by the time i did realize

07:37:25.620 that it was essay i was just like i felt like i was in too deep like the sunken cost fallacy i was like

07:37:30.580 i've been with this guy for so long it's my first relationship i feel like i really like him

07:37:34.420 i just wish he would treat me better and then the breaking point was just i realized he wasn't going

07:37:38.900 to treat me better so i was like okay fine i'll leave and then after that i kind of realized the

07:37:42.660 severity of the situation yeah as a gentle reminder there's people who get hit by their partners who

07:37:47.380 stay for decades yeah so it's about the trauma you don't know until you're in that situation like

07:37:53.780 it's so much easier to say that you should just leave than actually doing it literally mimics an

07:37:57.460 addiction there's dopamine highs where they're giving you attention love gifts affection sudden

07:38:02.260 withdrawal cortisol might i ask you said you've dated other men before and you're currently in a

07:38:08.820 new relationship has this been something that's repeated itself in any of your other relationships

07:38:18.020 in ways like i guess that's sort of carried over into i don't know i'm very assertive now when i

07:38:24.740 don't want to have sex and then i make sure i don't end up having sex but it has happened in the 0.57

07:38:29.220 past where with other i feel other men yeah i just get like i get kind of passive and i'm like i don't

07:38:35.860 really want to have sex but like i guess i should because he's asking and he wants to and i think that 0.64

07:38:41.620 just comes from the first relationship what you just described there though would you categorize

07:38:47.780 that as sa i don't know if those situations were sa because they definitely weren't as coercive as

07:38:56.340 him okay but so he would he was nagging you like he was really being mopey or actually now that i

07:39:03.380 now that i think about in my second relationship i feel like he was a little more like manipulative

07:39:07.060 about it kind of manipulative about it i don't know i would just it's so complicated it was a really

07:39:13.860 weird relationship what about your current i haven't i haven't felt that with him but you have

07:39:20.260 you have had consensual sex with him okay you've and all the sex you've had with him has been 0.94

07:39:26.100 consensual yes okay but you have experienced this sort of thing with other men yeah where i felt like 0.96

07:39:33.380 i was talked into it talked into it or like you know like sort of talked into it into it or like

07:39:43.860 where they didn't like outwardly ask for my consent and i kind of was passive about it

07:39:48.100 that sort of situation yeah sure that's happened a lot not a lot whatever wait but so

07:39:56.980 like i'm sure everybody here has had sex whether for the first time or whether for the hundredth time

07:40:06.260 with a partner did you all ask for affirmative consent before you had sex with them and if not

07:40:17.380 did you say them did they say you i just think if someone says they don't feel like having sex they

07:40:24.580 should just no but she she made a delineation where they don't ask specifically for affirmative consent well

07:40:33.940 in those situations i don't blame them for like that i wouldn't call that sexual assault but i

07:40:38.900 would definitely say that it was a little uncomfortable like it's different if you know

07:40:42.980 i don't say anything and then i'm just like go about it as usual but if i'm dead as just like laying

07:40:47.220 there completely deadpan and i'm not responding to you shouldn't you be a little like shouldn't you be

07:40:52.020 a little attentive to that and be like oh maybe she doesn't want to did i even ask you or like did i check

07:40:56.020 with her well question did you ever have like the you did consent at some points with the one

07:41:03.540 boyfriend yeah like i would initiate her i'd be actively enthusiastic you would be enthusiastic

07:41:08.340 yeah okay all right because some women can be what is it pillow princess or what is it what's the term 1.00

07:41:16.660 yeah pillow princess where they just like it's definitely they're consenting but they're not

07:41:21.860 yeah but they're still active they're still enthusiastic about it aren't they they're still

07:41:25.220 like engaging with you aren't they okay but i've like hooked up with a guy before that he's what

07:41:31.300 also it's like the worst one but um i was like on top like whatever in cowgirl and i looked down at

07:41:38.500 his face and he's like completely like dead face was he engaged with you otherwise because some guys

07:41:44.740 just be doing that like so like it's not that he wasn't enjoying themselves like you essayed him

07:41:50.820 pause no he initiated i know but it seems like you might have essayed him pause just

07:41:57.220 i'm saying like if they're not engaging with you if they're not enthusiastic about it at all if

07:42:01.300 they're not present then like that should that should set off as like that should be a signal to

07:42:06.500 you but like if in that situation he was just deadpan but he was otherwise responding like some

07:42:10.740 guys just be doing that i think it's just how he is exactly like yeah that just be happening but how

07:42:15.540 would you differentiate necessarily like what if the woman like some women might experience uh

07:42:20.580 like physical pain during sex for example and some women are like super timid but it's like 1.00

07:42:26.580 clearly like she's given you affirmative consent but like her demeanor would mirror that to some

07:42:33.380 degree of like the timidity that you expressed when you were then then she gave you consent what i'm

07:42:39.940 saying is if she starts acting like that and you realize that you didn't outwardly ask for consent

07:42:44.180 like it's not a bad thing to check but it's also like if you didn't check that's kind of

07:42:50.180 i guess the i don't know the affirmative consent thing though it's like well if if you don't get

07:42:56.740 affirmative consent

07:43:02.260 i don't think that you need i think you can still consent even if there wasn't affirmative consent yeah

07:43:07.220 there's non-verbal consent like them actively engaging with you and like you know if the act

07:43:13.460 or if the act is mutual and you're both okay going at it that's well that's uh

07:43:21.380 that is it i'm i don't know like the non-consensual bjs though that's confusing because

07:43:28.260 you you have to be an active participant to to give a bj not necessarily

07:43:33.060 do you want me to be explicit oh like facebook okay all right all right that's fair yeah that is

07:43:39.700 fair yes i guess you could just just sat there and took it bro yeah i don't know i was i was just

07:43:47.060 zoning out and i'm like okay i guess i don't know look i don't know i don't know what the threshold is

07:43:54.180 for some of these things the situation though sounds i don't know if it passes over to the threshold

07:44:01.060 the situation though sounds terrible yeah like like you want your partner to be enthusiastic 0.98

07:44:06.900 you want your girlfriend or boyfriend you want them to fuck to you want them to 0.92

07:44:11.540 but like this is exactly why it took me so long because i was just like i don't know it took me 0.99

07:44:16.900 so long to realize it because of because of that reason

07:44:21.940 also honestly gentlemen if your girlfriend ain't enthusiastic about it that's a wrap you got to

07:44:29.940 find it you can't not oh god you don't be pushy with that don't be pushy with that 1.00

07:44:34.740 shit gentlemen don't be a little bitch be a real g and jerk off when she leaves 1.00

07:44:43.300 um anyways all right moving on moving on all right all right you gotta you gotta do some og penitentiary 1.00

07:44:49.780 shit and just thought you were gonna say penitentiary masturbate oh hell no not again 1.00

07:44:55.060 shit or find another woman um anyways okay moving on just a couple more things from the questionnaire 1.00

07:45:01.540 oh uh women are oppressed in the usa why is that how's that i just said that because i was thinking 0.99

07:45:07.140 like oh if we have to put laws in place to make sure that they're not oppressed that's

07:45:10.900 they're probably being oppressed yeah how how though how are women oppressed in the usa 1.00

07:45:15.780 um well i think like the whole you can't like refuse to hire someone based on their

07:45:21.540 sex or gender i think that's definitely part of it that's like one example but there's a law against

07:45:26.500 it exactly i was thinking like since we had to put laws in place they were i don't know i wasn't

07:45:32.100 thinking of these questions very black and white okay that's fine uh you also women do not have equal 1.00

07:45:37.140 rights to men in the usa to which that's again i was thinking like since we had to put those laws in

07:45:42.580 place yeah but so what rights do men have that women don't today today yeah well i was saying 0.66

07:45:49.460 like the laws were were put in place already to try to ensure that we had equal rights

07:45:59.700 i mean you also circled that one so yeah i understand i also wasn't thinking of it so black and

07:46:06.420 white and white and now i have one brain cell so all right so there so just to be clear clear

07:46:11.700 clear clear uh women have equal rights in the usa you would affirmatively state that i would say like 1.00

07:46:21.220 from a legal standpoint yes but i'm i can't say for sure that like actively we do what about you

07:46:27.540 i agree like as far as like laws go wunderbar wonderful okay technically not though isabella

07:46:36.260 you're gonna read these for us if you can please all right well can you call that equal rights though

07:46:40.900 if men don't have to like deal with abortion men don't have to deal with abortion you know yeah i mean

07:46:46.980 it's just the one law that's like different my quick rebuttal though is that men don't have

07:46:52.420 reproductive rights so it wouldn't i don't think an inequality well an inequality exists in the way

07:46:59.140 that you don't think it does so i think women have a right as it relates to reproduction that men don't 0.99

07:47:06.420 so if you actually wanted to create equality between men and women the way you would actually create true

07:47:12.180 equality would be to completely walk back all abortion rights for women then they would be equal 1.00

07:47:19.300 between men and women that would be equal well what about like the fact that men can just go in and

07:47:25.780 get a vasectomy but if a woman wants to get her tubes tied oh boy this one okay you have to have 1.00

07:47:31.140 like yeah yeah you're saying like you need to get the husband's permission or something in most cases

07:47:36.260 not every doctor is this even true is anybody in the medical field i've never i could work on it

07:47:43.220 i have friends that have been turned down because they're not married or they don't have enough kids

07:47:47.460 so here's what i know is that getting your tubes tied is a more invasive procedure than getting a

07:47:57.380 vasectomy so i think what ends up happening is what uh feminists will look at this and say well it's way 1.00

07:48:03.460 easier for men to get uh to go get a vasectomy whereas it's much more complicated for women to get 0.83

07:48:12.260 their tubes tied you need to get like maybe a couple follow-up visits you need to have like a more

07:48:17.380 in-depth consultation there's like a more invasive surgery whereas like for the uh to get the

07:48:24.180 vasectomy it's like pretty quick i don't think you have to go under general anesthesia so i think

07:48:34.260 i've i think it's just this feminist myth that it's maybe look it's possible in the 1.00

07:48:40.580 50s or 40s or some bullshit yeah probably there was some like sexism or whatever and the doctors

07:48:47.700 were like are your is your husband gonna be okay with it or whatever today i really i don't think 0.96

07:48:54.740 it's the case that women have to get approval to get their tubes tied by their husbands but just like 0.99

07:49:02.660 like you were saying like getting a vasectomy is less invasive why wouldn't just like theoretically

07:49:09.860 speaking sure if like getting your tubes tied it's not more invasive than forcing to like be pregnant

07:49:18.020 you know what i mean you have the right to your own body and so like being pregnant also requires 1.00

07:49:24.420 follow-up appointments also requires possibly surgery does that make sense or no that's stupid 0.99

07:49:32.340 i don't know what the argument is though like yes women get pregnant yeah yeah but never mind 0.99

07:49:37.620 never mind what if you just got an iud that's just like two seconds up there and then boom you don't

07:49:44.180 have to worry about getting pregnant there's like what like one percent chance yeah iuds are pretty 0.99

07:49:49.060 effective yeah are they no i have one it's great poss is chilling i'm chilling vocal fry it's wonderful

07:49:59.220 um okay cool did we read this chat did sorry did we just read this one oh can you read this one for

07:50:05.700 me uh yeah that was very oh we read that one did we read it yeah we read that one because you're like

07:50:12.100 oh the white male patriarchy abolish global slavery pick up you we read it

07:50:20.820 what about this one excuse me brian keep up your good work we are currently at i don't know how to

07:50:26.660 pronounce that air show the largest fly air show in the world we have russian chocolates for you guys

07:50:32.260 the post-modern feminists are still learning again in the uk france and the u.s changed the global 0.98

07:50:37.780 history of slavery yo joe thank you for the soup chat man really appreciate it where's the chocolates

07:50:42.180 though hook it up we respect andrew and rachel joining these young ladies are still learning

07:50:47.140 respectfully the red and black haired lady has no idea she should talk with andrew best of luck to 0.97

07:50:52.100 the ladies don't put yourself in fight fly or freeze self-awareness is important thank you uh 1.00

07:50:58.340 joe murphy appreciate it man uh and then bb thank you for the soup chat appreciate it appreciate it

07:51:03.140 thank you thank you guys hundred dollar tts get them in all right that's pretty much it for the

07:51:06.900 questionnaire a couple pre-show notes from that you guys submitted then we're going to get this

07:51:10.660 wrapped up hopefully pretty pretty pretty soon all right um okay jack you're single as foot oh okay

07:51:23.140 yeah oh wait i guess final thing wait hold on hold on uh do you guys think men are insecure for

07:51:31.380 caring about the woman's body count yes sometimes yep okay uh show of hands like do you think it's uh

07:51:42.900 insecure for a man to care about the woman's body count just show of hands raise him high 1.00

07:51:47.300 insecure he's insecure oh my god he cares about my body count what an insecure bitch no yeah yes insecure 1.00

07:51:54.580 yeah okay yeah it's important to know that your partner is safe though oh show well i mean like 0.99

07:52:02.020 my question is like if you're not insecure then why do you care about it like genuine question what

07:52:06.500 other reason is there to care about if you're not insecure yeah there's a whole bunch of reasons i'll

07:52:11.460 get to it in just a moment i would love to i'm genuinely sure uh curious though okay you know we're just

07:52:17.540 gonna jump right into it uh body count starting with pos what's your body count oh um

07:52:27.940 and i hate repeating it you got this pause

07:52:34.420 it's been like what six months last time you were it's been like almost a year

07:52:39.060 it's been almost a year you know some people know me no you already said it you already said it come on

07:52:46.420 be a good sport uh

07:52:53.780 an interesting amount come on pause come on be a good sport no we already know the answer to this

07:53:00.100 i don't remember i don't remember the girl's body counts on the show oh that's fair wait you know the

07:53:04.580 answer i said i don't know the answer i don't know the answer wait pause have you lost track

07:53:10.580 yeah because you you did say the number multiple times because you've been on the show

07:53:19.060 multiple it's uh wait hold on okay here i'll just throw some stuff out then um if i recall i believe

07:53:29.860 uh is it is it over 100

07:53:40.020 i don't think i said over 100 no but i'm is it though oh no okay but i believe if i recall

07:53:47.940 it's between 70 and 100 do i have that is that right do i have it pause come on pause be a good 0.98

07:53:57.860 sport what the fuck uh and then wait uh 0.99

07:54:05.300 what was the can you tell us this how about this body count by the end of high school 0.98

07:54:09.940 oh um no i have no idea i haven't i didn't really do my ho face until really after oh after high

07:54:19.540 school okay

07:54:31.220 okay all right uh maybe we'll come back to that what about you six well i thought you

07:54:35.700 said you've lost track or forgot me yeah you no i've never lost oh i thought didn't she say you

07:54:41.060 don't know okay whatever uh emily i don't discuss it publicly but i'm currently celibate

07:54:48.100 for how long

07:54:50.820 brian

07:54:53.220 that's fair i just said three three okay what about you

07:55:00.660 ten ish i don't i don't i've never sat there and wrote a list

07:55:03.540 oh can you scoot your mic that way a little bit what about you um same boat as her i would guess 1.00

07:55:08.900 like between like 15 or 20. she said tennis well i mean i just i'm saying no i'm saying like i don't

07:55:16.420 have notes like of old people okay what about you two two uh be honest guys can i pass into the mic

07:55:28.580 nope i can't go ahead say it i also don't keep track but i would say around 20 0.96

07:55:35.140 multiply it by three and that's the real number for all of you damn pause what the 0.99

07:55:39.780 fuck pause you're supposed to be the homie be like boom here's my body count okay that was man 0.99

07:55:45.060 all right you know what here's what i'm gonna do since you won't tell us uh she's been on the 0.99

07:55:48.580 show before guys can somebody in the chat go look go look uh find what episode and then you guys will

07:55:58.340 find the body count if anybody in my discord 50 somebody based the word 50 plus jess 50 to 70

07:56:06.580 okay it should be like on the title as part of it if they're okay oh like you titled it oh

07:56:16.580 shit pause coming in with the assist all right whatever it's i don't know it's 50 to 70 whatever

07:56:22.820 okay that's cool congrats guys uh you are also amazing congratulations on that okay uh we need to 0.98

07:56:29.300 get into the pre-show notes your single is thick as you wrote uh you have a septum piercing 0.99

07:56:34.180 not anymore oh you got rid of it okay uh you have a shirt that says pussy power 1.00

07:56:39.140 what's the pussy power what is the power what's do you believe in the power of the pussy 1.00

07:56:43.940 yeah it's pretty powerful and do the women here believe in the power of the pussy 1.00

07:56:47.220 how could you not pussy power yeah i also learned that like vaginas are shaped in different ways 1.00

07:56:53.380 and there is such thing as a loose pussy so i don't know about pussy power 1.00

07:56:56.180 oh what are you buying no no okay but um i have a lot of guy friends are just very open about their 1.00

07:57:07.460 sex lives with me so yeah but you know i don't know if you've ever gonna put this experienced or

07:57:13.460 obviously you haven't but um yeah there's been like things i've heard from my guy friends are like 0.99

07:57:18.420 yes one woman's pussy feels so much more tight and better than another because it's like i guess like 0.99

07:57:24.500 more loose or whatever but it's really just the way it is shaped because all vaginas are shaped 1.00

07:57:29.380 differently i don't think pussy power has to do with the shape of the vagina oh i think i'm just 1.00

07:57:36.580 taking a little too literally yeah okay i think pussy power has to do with that women has power over 1.00

07:57:42.100 men okay okay never mind over men or just have power over anything it's like empowering like an 0.96

07:57:48.340 empowerment like a statement because honestly we could get anything we want uh you also have a shirt that 0.99

07:57:53.780 says uh eating pussy cures depression it's a joke but i do think it's true for me being bisexual so 0.99

07:58:01.380 i um 0.99

07:58:08.020 do you agree are you are you i wouldn't know i wouldn't know because because you're a virgin right

07:58:14.420 so i've done that act a few times he's not the last time last time i think it was 2007

07:58:24.420 2007 like when i was born i'm 36 was that the last time the last year the last time i yeah it was the

07:58:32.340 bush administration bush was president your junior year in high school uh no i think i was like

07:58:39.620 just graduated high school so i was 18 19 something like that or was it 2008 2007 2008 bush was president 0.99

07:58:48.260 that's all i remember obama though obama came in boom still not eating pussy though is this a fantasy 1.00

07:58:54.900 the fuck chill bro um yeah look but let me say this you know like i said earlier the girl needs to come 1.00

07:59:03.060 first if possible multiple times so it's that's just something that not really a fan of how it 1.00

07:59:09.460 doesn't have to do anything with the pussy not grossed out by pussy big fan of pussy big labia matter 1.00

07:59:14.100 i do hashtag pull it up nick pull it up nick there it is big labia matter boom i only date women 1.00

07:59:22.580 with ginormous labias do you do you check on the first date awkward huh 0.92

07:59:28.740 do i check yeah is that part of your checklist yeah i have a i have stirrups do my laundry and 0.99

07:59:35.220 show me your labia yeah is she is she also naked on a football field with the guys 1.00

07:59:42.500 what the no remember you were like oh they're fucking on the football field dicks out dicks out 1.00

07:59:48.180 for harambe no yeah um anyways uh one time you were on a date and you said you can't use chopsticks 0.99

07:59:55.780 no matter how hard you try and he said like you have autism yep i was like something doesn't click

08:00:02.500 i can't use chopsticks and he was like so you have like autism oh 0.55

08:00:07.460 oh can you tell us about the pocket guy yeah um close a little closer to the when i was younger

08:00:16.980 you know i hooked up with a guy and he was like where should i come and i was like i mean you could

08:00:22.340 just come on me and then he was like no and he came in his hand and he put it in his pocket

08:00:27.460 i don't know why why didn't he like wipe it on excuse me no idea that's gotta be disgusting 0.99

08:00:35.940 i never talked to him again so the fuck yeah that's watching this it's gonna be a little weird too 0.99

08:00:44.420 but he put it in his pocket yeah his front pocket i don't even know why he's still wearing his jeans but 0.99

08:00:50.340 yikes long time ago oh you were um you were fellating him fellatio you were s-ing the d no 1.00

08:01:00.820 oh it was sex you're having sex yeah we're having sex he took pocket pussy to the next level 1.00

08:01:07.380 good one good one uh you wanted to talk about astrology situationships crashing out 1.00

08:01:12.980 x's threesomes blah blah yeah astrology okay that's bullshit next okay crashing out have you 0.99

08:01:20.900 crashed out many a times in a yeah what's that look like reenact that shit you guys ready reenact that 0.99

08:01:27.300 chick go ahead i mean just blowing them up like yeah do it wise yeah like oh you this is crashing out 0.99

08:01:35.300 like i don't know oh show us show us your furious i mean i'm not gonna like no show it show us how

08:01:42.420 you furiously text is mary back by the way or oh okay like normally i just call them honestly i

08:01:49.300 leave crazy voicemails so okay that's cool um cool dope i love that for you i hate that for me

08:01:57.140 uh so crashing out okay have you ever slashed a dude's tires no have you ever gotten revenge in

08:02:06.500 any way i mean i've just like gone to their house but i didn't do anything crazy when i did it okay

08:02:15.300 cool all right um other notes here i need to step away for a moment do you get who here like remembers

08:02:21.860 in detail the pre-show notes they sent me anybody like i think so okay you want to just hop into your

08:02:28.100 pre-show notes and um just while i'm gone um so this was my second relationship um he stole my car

08:02:37.380 and then cheated on me the next day um let me elaborate um so i drive a tesla so the key is on my

08:02:44.500 phone so he took my phone and then he goes to my car i call him from my uh someone else's phone

08:02:51.300 i call my phone from someone else's phone and i'm like hey what's up where you at can you can you

08:02:56.500 come back and he's like i'm just sitting in your car right now and i'm like okay come back and then

08:03:00.660 he's like i'll i'll try and then he never tried and then i had to walk around looking for my car it was

08:03:07.060 like 10 o'clock at night it was like a bad part of town i didn't have my phone i left my wallet in

08:03:11.460 the car i had nothing and eventually i found him oh i like blew up my phone with the other person's 0.75

08:03:18.660 phone and he still wasn't responding so i'm walking around i'm fucking crying because i'm 0.94

08:03:22.980 like bro where what do i do what do i do where's my car um so i find him i get in the car i'm like 0.97

08:03:28.100 what the fuck is wrong with you i was like yelling at him for like 30 minutes straight i'm like that 0.98

08:03:32.420 you were you completely disregarded my safety what if something happened to me how were you planning 1.00

08:03:37.060 on fucking getting back to me like i don't know and then he was sitting there he was trying to act 0.98

08:03:40.980 all normal about it he's like why are you yelling right now be so for real i'm yelling because you 0.99

08:03:47.540 fucking stole my car and left me in a bad part of town at 10 o'clock at night um and he was just 0.98

08:03:53.300 saying like no no i was just sitting in your car like i didn't do anything but i noticed that the 0.99

08:03:58.260 charge on my car was like suspiciously low so i checked my phone's location and it showed that

08:04:03.300 he had gone to fucking in and out while i was like crying over where my car is and i called him 0.98

08:04:10.980 up and i was like hey why the fuck did you lie like i know you went to in and out with my car 0.99

08:04:16.020 fat ass and then he was like i'm sorry i don't know why i lied and then the next day he calls me 0.99

08:04:20.100 moping and shit and he's like i'm so sorry i didn't know i don't know why i did that to you 0.99

08:04:23.780 like that was that was so bad i'm so sorry and i'm like bro i'm mad at you right now don't talk to me 0.98

08:04:28.900 and then i think he tried to kill himself or at least he was like pretending to because um his dad

08:04:34.500 called me and was like hey have you heard from him and i was like no he spoke to me this morning

08:04:38.340 but i haven't said anything and then um yeah apparently his phone was completely shut off he wasn't

08:04:44.340 responding to anyone they had to send in a neighbor to go check on him to make sure he wasn't dead

08:04:48.340 and allegedly he wasn't like nothing was wrong with him he was like i was just taking a nap

08:04:52.900 i don't believe it because the next day i saw him he had like cuts on him um and then yeah and then he

08:04:59.940 went to a party that day like the day after that he stole my car and then i learned from my friends 0.97

08:05:05.700 that were there later he was like bro i'm just trying to fuck i'm trying to get laid and then they 0.98

08:05:10.020 were like hey what about nix and then he's like fuck nix what about her we were still basically 0.99

08:05:15.940 together um and yeah i asked him the day after i was like did you cheat on me at that party and he's 0.84

08:05:20.900 like no i would never i was thinking of you the whole time so questions comments concerns

08:05:26.900 fun times fun times very fun no that sounds horrible yeah i don't know it's straight up what

08:05:33.140 sounds traumatic he like took your car went to in and out in a party and just what well the party

08:05:38.980 was the next day okay did he still have your car the next day no i got the car back like when i

08:05:43.780 found him i yelled at him in the car i drove him home and then i drove back to my house you should 0.98

08:05:48.020 have drove him home i know i should have left his ass i should have yeah he left you yeah exactly figure 0.98

08:05:53.060 out your own ride you have your phone um but yeah he like i was supposed to go to that party with him 0.99

08:05:58.020 and then he specifically told me not to go and then i was like oh okay you leave him after that no it

08:06:03.860 went on for like another month stand on business please i'm it's not clocking to you that i'm

08:06:08.180 standing on business bro yeah

08:06:14.820 too easy to take teslas well okay he literally stole my phone though like that's not yeah stole

08:06:23.620 your phone to steal your car yeah i guess that's true if he's got my phone no car is kind of crazy

08:06:29.380 huh leaving you with like no phone and no cars pretty crazy exactly like double whammy yeah

08:06:35.460 i was like i was like okay if you were just sitting in my car how are you planning on getting in contact

08:06:40.260 with me to like pick me up you know in the car dude my mom almost called the cops on him after i got

08:06:46.340 home because i was like sobbing crying and she's like what happened what happened and then at this 0.99

08:06:49.860 point like anytime i came home crying she knew it was about him so she was like did that fucker do 1.00

08:06:54.660 something and i was like so he stole my car and she's like he did fucking what yeah it was bad and 0.99

08:07:00.420 then he was chasing after him i would have just called the cops and been like yo look listen my car 0.96

08:07:04.820 is missing yeah phones in it yeah i mean who what phone would i call the police on the same phone you

08:07:11.220 were calling your phone on no i had to leave okay because it happened like while i was at like

08:07:15.300 work basically so i was using my co-workers phone but then i had to leave because you know the

08:07:19.060 shift was over then i was just like walking around and then i ended up having to like there was

08:07:23.460 this woman with her kid and then i was like hey i'm so sorry to bother you can i please borrow your

08:07:27.860 phone really really quick and that's how i ended up finding him because i called him i was like where

08:07:31.700 you at and he's like oh i'm just chilling in the parking lot and i was like cool okay i'll come find

08:07:35.940 you yeah i got my car stolen once was it was it bad did he cheat on you too no it wasn't a man it was

08:07:45.700 oh did she cheat on you oh no it wasn't i don't know who it was no i found it in like a really bad

08:07:52.580 part of town on the side of the road while the cops found it for me and was it like gutted or

08:07:56.020 was it straws in it like straws yeah did you like get the car back like did you take it back back

08:08:02.740 the cops found it like 24 hours later but like i was crashing out all day like calling all the

08:08:07.620 tow companies because i was like am i just stupid yeah did i misplace my car somehow and then yeah 0.50

08:08:14.500 they're like it's probably stolen somehow i got it back 24 hours later but yeah it's that's honestly

08:08:19.060 lucky yeah it's felt terrible and yeah but it was like everything was intact yeah oh my god 0.76

08:08:24.340 yeah no that's really lucky i mean it's it's fucked up right now because of a man oh 0.95

08:08:31.940 that'll do it that'll do it man uh yeah i'm joking y'all are wild and i would never let a man take my 0.93

08:08:37.220 car no this one didn't take my car he punched my windshield out or not punched it out so my windshield's

08:08:42.980 completely cracked right now he was like crashing out in the car punched my windshield shattered it and

08:08:48.660 then punched my stereo shattered my stereo and broke why was he going him you know did you press

08:08:55.220 charges what did you press charges no i did like call so he took like an unconsensual video of me

08:09:04.420 and had like revenge porn on me basically i'm definitely pressing charges so i was like scared

08:09:11.140 though because i didn't want like that to get released to anyone so oh like blackmail yeah oh yeah

08:09:16.900 that's the worst like oh of you that's yeah oh he had a he took a video of me without me knowing 0.96

08:09:23.620 oh wait that's fucked yeah yeah yeah punched my car out and then was trying to use that against me 0.98

08:09:29.060 because i was like i'm gonna go to the cops and then he was already on probation so he would have 0.98

08:09:32.260 went to jail if i did go to the cops how would he release a video yeah i know automatic oh i was

08:09:39.460 scared he's scared he's scary no that's valid i'm good yeah that's a crime for sure well you're

08:09:48.420 correct mary could you get me a room temp order um all right i'm gonna just blast through these

08:09:53.140 notes because we're already damn rip we spent too much time talking about war we talked about 1.00

08:10:01.140 talking about fucking dick slinging bro yeah fucking football transgender bullshit crazy man crazy all 1.00

08:10:09.780 right uh keely yeah uh we already talked about the alimony thing or whatever he left you for his best 1.00

08:10:17.300 friend his best friend's ex oh best friend's ex my bad um obviously with the girls you had to buy

08:10:26.580 him out from a house that you guys had together mm-hmm okay um but it sounds like legally he was

08:10:34.260 entitled to because you guys bought the house together right yeah legally he was entitled to

08:10:39.380 half of it um but once you cheat on me i think that you uh say that you walk away from your half of it

08:10:48.180 okay uh you said that you're a survivor of dv your abuser had to be taken out by swat yes

08:10:55.300 yes in 2020 he was holding you captive in your house yep for hours yep uh i mean we don't have

08:11:03.860 to get super detailed if you don't want to but um it took him a year to get charged he did it to

08:11:10.020 another oh taken i thought he got he got murked no oh no because you said taken out by swat i think

08:11:17.220 that means murked sorry i wish he was taken out of the house yeah he was yeah negotiated out of the house

08:11:23.220 assume if somebody says taken out by swat that no i knew what she meant they just got oh we're

08:11:28.820 gonna escort you out of the house like nah that guy got murked okay but so uh so swat had to come

08:11:35.140 barricade were you barricaded in the house yeah he barricaded me and he held me captive for 0.99

08:11:41.060 that is four or five hours i think i had to text 911 to come yikes get me out yeah damn 0.99

08:11:47.780 damn sorry to hear that that's fucked up he did it to another girl less than a year later even worse 0.99

08:11:54.740 beat her whole horrible soccer in um and she stayed with him he's a psychopath how is he out free yikes 1.00

08:12:03.300 um i don't know he actually only did three months for what he did to me um but you know honestly it was

08:12:10.500 the cops that wrote in the police a paperwork that got him away from what he got okay you said that

08:12:20.660 you uh have had friends with benefits is that it yeah okay um nothing really there then no uh i mean

08:12:28.660 i'm 35 you said you're very old school conservative yeah but you also very liberal stances uh what are

08:12:36.820 those just super quickly oh liberal stances um i mean i'm conservative in the fact that i still

08:12:43.460 believe that marriage and kids and that fact and maybe not the hookup culture because i i mean i

08:12:50.740 started dating when online dating kind of was kind of a thing in the beginning um i mean i did meet my

08:12:57.780 current uh spouse on facebook dating so i mean it still went but

08:13:02.420 but the liberals so are you politically though are you liberal or are you conservative i'm republican

08:13:10.020 so what are your very liberal stances though abortion i think should be allowed and for certain stances

08:13:20.020 um 0.99

08:13:22.180 shit i don't know my brain just went to the door okay uh yeah i just i honestly i think that um 0.99

08:13:29.220 um a a woman should have her stance in the house but i also think that in today's world you have to 1.00

08:13:35.700 work outside the house i can't financially take care of myself i mean sure so uh really quick with

08:13:43.380 going back to nick's is your notes um you already told this while i was gone but one time here's the

08:13:48.740 short version of the story you told one time your ex stole your car tried to make you feel bad about

08:13:53.780 it thread into unalive himself and then he cheated on you the next day okay good times yeah uh great

08:14:01.460 you said you have some you have some thoughts on men's tendencies to be controlling toxic or generally

08:14:06.660 uncaring in relationships uh what are those yeah i just think that like i see it a lot in relationships

08:14:13.620 where like men try to take the lead but then they end up just being like straight controlling like

08:14:19.700 i don't know i just yeah i think men have a tendency to what's an example of controlling

08:14:26.660 um i guess like not a very famous one like controlling what she tries to wear

08:14:34.100 okay i i just think like you shouldn't have that much of a say over it like i understand like

08:14:39.940 voicing your concerns and expecting your partner to hear them but like i don't think

08:14:43.540 you should be the deciding factor in what she wears okay um and so you consider this controlling

08:14:55.140 isn't it a respect thing though well yeah definitely that is a factor but i feel like

08:15:00.020 it definitely gets into the territory of like controlling like respect is voicing your concerns

08:15:06.020 and then finding consensus that works for the both of you controlling is forcing your way okay

08:15:13.540 can that if my girlfriend wants to walk around the street literally naked not figuratively naked 1.00

08:15:24.740 literally naked would it be controlling for me to not want her to do that no you're allowed to not 0.99

08:15:31.380 want her to do that but if that's her prerogative and i'm like if you well really the only thing you can

08:15:38.180 do like in most of these situations usually there's not force being applied it's basically just

08:15:45.460 if you do that i mean you can be pouty and about it and i'm gonna be really sad if you dress like a 0.95

08:15:52.340 whore um but really the the ultimate power that you have is i'm gonna break up with you if you do that 0.97

08:15:59.700 is that controlling to threaten to break up with her yeah just because hey um that's not aligned with 0.98

08:16:05.860 what i want in a girlfriend i don't like the way you dress i'm gonna break up with you well yeah 1.00

08:16:09.540 i mentioned this earlier like i don't think setting your boundaries is controlling at all but it's when

08:16:12.900 you get to the point where you're like i'm gonna break up if you if you don't do this and you don't

08:16:16.420 actually mean it like you're just trying to control them then yeah that's oh yeah you shouldn't you

08:16:20.020 shouldn't bluff that yeah don't like don't say it unless you mean it and like actually go through with

08:16:24.420 it yeah at least mean the yeah so i think if you actually meant it and you were actually trying

08:16:27.940 to put a boundary down then yeah i don't think that's that's a lot of people get in some really toxic

08:16:32.500 relationships when they bluff the breakup yeah that's like i feel like that's i feel like that

08:16:37.700 counts as a threat i feel like that counts as manipulation i think that's a little toxic 0.96

08:16:41.140 yeah own that shit exactly um all right well i'd probably give you a little more pushback on the 0.95

08:16:45.860 controlling thing but just for the sake of time i won't but you've given me a lot of pushback 0.98

08:16:52.340 it's very traumatic um yeah but i mean ultimately i mean do you think it's unfair for men to have a

08:17:00.020 general preference towards like their girlfriend dressing modestly though i don't think it's unfair

08:17:05.060 i think that's just your values okay i think it's unfair to like expect her to comply with that

08:17:10.820 regardless of how she feels you know yeah i i guess just what about these like where do we take

08:17:17.060 go with this though like what about more behavior based stuff so uh a guy who doesn't want his girlfriend

08:17:22.580 to go to the club for example again i think there's controlling there's a difference between setting

08:17:27.060 boundaries and communicating and like trying to force your way so i think forcing is controlling

08:17:31.700 but then actually trying to have a conversation with her that's that's productive but you would

08:17:36.260 agree that somebody can be controlling and like it's really hard to like unless you physically stop

08:17:41.860 them like how do you force somebody to do something aside from just being really grumpy about it

08:17:48.100 and being like this is an issue this is a problem at that point that's just a really annoying

08:17:51.780 dynamic for both people it's like just break up i guess but yeah um sometimes i feel like i don't

08:17:58.420 know some of y'all been programmed with the feminist mind virus and you grew up in a culture where certain 1.00

08:18:04.580 things uh the ways people move is deemed acceptable when really the the culture is backwards but you think it's 0.91

08:18:15.460 okay and i think it's a like i think it's a reasonable position for men to be like i don't

08:18:22.820 want my girl if i'm in a relationship with her i'm uncomfortable with her going out to bars and clubs 1.00

08:18:28.100 don't want her doing that i don't want her dressing revealing don't want her dressing a certain way 0.99

08:18:34.820 she can wear kind of whatever the fuck she wants but like don't don't go out wearing fucking nothing 1.00

08:18:41.140 with your ass hanging out titties hanging out all this i i don't know if it's controlling i think 1.00

08:18:46.420 it's for most of human history it's been a pretty reasonable uh standard for relationship-minded men 1.00

08:18:53.700 yeah but it like i said again difference between controlling and like setting a boundary would it be

08:18:59.380 controlling if a girl didn't want her boyfriend going to the strip club how would how in this scenario 1.00

08:19:05.620 how did she go about it um she was like i really like really quite fervently did not want her to go

08:19:13.220 or she did not want it's late guys did not want him to go to the strip club but he's like no i'm you

08:19:20.500 don't trust me i'm a strong independent man i you don't get to control me what are you insecure i think

08:19:27.620 that's just like a very like i don't want to say toxic but i think that's a very unhealthy and

08:19:31.860 unproductive dynamic i would i don't know if i would well well okay i'm exaggerating the guy's

08:19:36.660 position on this but like the guy's like what i'm going to the strip club with the boys what's

08:19:40.980 the big deal i think if the two of you aren't willing to like have a conversation about that

08:19:44.820 and be like i don't like it because this this and this and then you're like sorry like this is how

08:19:50.420 i feel about it and then you guys talk about it i think that's women feel about all this stuff

08:19:55.140 like it's like i would expect the same conversation with y'all women are like i want to have the 0.63

08:20:00.020 conversation we can have the conversation but you just want to beat up the guy not literally

08:20:07.060 figuratively you want to beat the guy down to the point where he just relents and lets you do 0.96

08:20:12.980 the whole shit that you want to do me personally i mean it i mean it when i say that i want to have 0.94

08:20:17.540 a conversation me personally i can't speak to other women you you want to have the conversation but it's 0.98

08:20:22.740 not clear to me if like you want to talk about it but i don't know if you're going to actually be

08:20:28.020 like you know what you're right i will do the thing that you're asking me to or i will meet you

08:20:33.700 here well in that type of woman are you dating i'm not none he doesn't go on dates i'm not saying

08:20:39.780 that this is my experience uh although i sometimes i've had like dealt with women who are uh you're 1.00

08:20:48.020 not gonna like this word defiant defiant very defiant but um sounds like you're talking about

08:20:54.260 a dog literally yes she wasn't obedient but uh no i think uh you guys want to have the conversation

08:21:04.100 so that you can get your way by beating the guy down verbally well i don't think that's a healthy

08:21:09.780 dynamic i don't agree with that but like okay so in this situation let's say a guy you're dating he's

08:21:14.980 like hey i don't want you going i don't know if you go to bars or nightclub or i'm 19 well okay

08:21:20.660 you go to college you go to college parties right no okay you um i don't know hypothetical if i did

08:21:27.380 you ever wear revealing clothes sure yeah yeah but sticking out whatever no not that much okay i don't

08:21:35.140 know let's just say your boyfriend was like hey i'm not comfortable with that you down to wear like

08:21:39.460 jeans or something instead i'd be like yeah if it makes you uncomfortable i'm sorry i'll change

08:21:43.620 oh you'll do it yeah okay i respect my conversation had victory for the man i guess i don't know well

08:21:49.700 just because like that's not like i don't know i don't care too much if he has something to say

08:21:53.540 about my outfit unless like what if he was like i want you to wear a burka wait like it turned him on

08:21:58.820 there was like a it turned him on nothing gets me going more than a woman in a burka i'd be a little 0.97

08:22:04.980 bit like oh um okay i'll see if i feel like wearing that i guess i've tried to get all my atheist white

08:22:12.660 girlfriends to wear burkas all of them and i'm very i'm very i'm gentlemanly with this

08:22:19.620 i also um burkinis i will buy them burkinis so when we can we get a photo example uh yeah mary

08:22:27.460 google burkini burkini it's like a real it's a thing it's a thing uh while that's coming through

08:22:34.980 uh we have a tts

08:22:38.900 thank you wizard sar 7 her underscore wizard donated 100

08:22:44.340 please understand that men and women are not the same you market her body men use their resources

08:22:50.980 on women would you control his money on other women most women don't understand the difference 1.00

08:22:57.300 i i don't yeah am i just stupid i don't i don't think that really we're all women wait what you 1.00

08:23:05.380 market your body did you just make us look stupid 1.00

08:23:09.060 do you just look really stupid 1.00

08:23:11.220 scroll down a little bit oh so it's a bikini but it is not so it's just 1.00

08:23:16.260 i mean like it's just a full coverage swimsuit i i have uh i have a pool at my place and i insist that

08:23:23.780 all the women i date wear only wear bikini burkinis excuse me just kidding oh my god i re-triggered 0.58

08:23:28.900 it i'm retarded whoops sorry getting fucking late here all right uh isabella can you read this 0.99

08:23:34.580 por favor senior are you do you speak spanish uh no my mom's from mexico i don't though anyways 0.99

08:23:41.780 ladies if you're self-aware it's undesirable to do stupid stuff don't fall for short-term decisions 1.00

08:23:47.140 if you need to write down and map out your goals um don't be a woman that gives sexual access 1.00

08:23:52.420 openly this is important for a lady respect your value thank you joe murphy for the

08:23:57.460 super chat i really appreciate it what was that geared towards i don't know

08:24:03.780 oh that's beautiful being a servant of god uh nix you said you don't agree with most

08:24:08.260 things said on the show that was just like a general thing yeah yeah well we already

08:24:11.940 disagreed on a bunch of shit so yeah uh especially their takes on things like oh okay

08:24:16.100 this is probably for andrew wilson because you saw that yeah i did about the essay um all right 0.96

08:24:21.300 i mean i'll just defend him andrew really quickly here so the clip was taken out of context it cuts

08:24:26.580 off critical context he was he was saying that for example recall many times tonight i said

08:24:35.220 would it then be the case that um with the uber app for example like would it then be okay for a white

08:24:43.140 person to uh only want to pair up with white drivers or whatever that's not my position but i'm

08:24:50.500 like repeating back okay well if your position is x then that means your position should also be x for

08:24:57.060 this sure so what andrew was doing was saying well okay uh the his debate opponent oliver was making

08:25:03.540 a claim about i forget the exact specifics but he was making some sort of claim and then andrew was

08:25:09.140 using sort of a hypothetical scenario to say like okay well if that's the case then you would have to

08:25:14.900 agree because some women enjoy essay that that would indicate that essay i forgot the exact argument 1.00

08:25:21.620 here um but he wasn't actually making the claim he was just saying given your logic your position would

08:25:30.260 be this does that make sense sure i mean i was just saying that was the clip that i saw and i did it did

08:25:36.100 get it it cut the clip yeah mind you that was a five-hour debate it leaves out critical context

08:25:42.580 andrew was basically saying if this is what you believe then would it then apply to this scenario

08:25:49.620 where you believe this thus you would believe that this is the case when it comes to women being said

08:25:55.860 it was a crazy clip though you gotta admit that was i mean sure sometimes optically like

08:26:01.940 if somebody gets cut out of context it can make somebody look bad yeah i maybe me personally i

08:26:08.260 would use like another example to try to articulate my point but in this case he was using like i guess

08:26:15.140 an extreme example but again clipped out of context and he was making a criticism of the other guy's

08:26:20.500 position if that makes sense that's my defense of andrew i don't know if it was good but i think it was

08:26:26.980 good job brian uh okay pause

08:26:33.300 wait hold on oh we have another one here one sec

08:26:37.140 sar seven underscore wizard donated one hundred dollars thank you bro the national marriage

08:26:42.500 project published to report stating individuals who marry with few premarital sexual partners report

08:26:48.740 higher levels of marital satisfaction less trauma virgins are least divorced

08:26:56.980 oh show

08:27:01.300 oh show i mean virgins aren't going to complain what they don't know what they don't have 1.00

08:27:06.980 yeah exactly uh so pos you said that uh you were like in a situation ship with a guy

08:27:13.300 you wrote seriously felt like a massive weight lift i guess you ended it with him but you said

08:27:18.100 weight lifted because you no one should have to feel like they should check the level of lube

08:27:23.460 every time you went over oh yeah like it was a lot like he was like control yeah i mean the same

08:27:32.100 guy i found like this other woman's like pair of panties on his couch in his bedroom you know what 1.00

08:27:37.060 i mean same guy but the same guy what if he's just jerking it with lubes you know oh maybe but you know 0.99

08:27:43.620 there's some other suspicious things like okay why would he play with like um a sex toy that he got for 0.99

08:27:49.620 me and it was just out you know like what is he gonna do with a vibrator guys can use you know what 0.83

08:27:57.540 i mean 0.99

08:27:58.100 i mean if he's freaky damn pos got done dirty what the fuck pos i don't i thought i put you on some 0.99

08:28:06.340 game pos anyways whatever um yeah uh okay you said modern dating sucks you're getting older you want 0.99

08:28:12.100 somewhat to start making plan for your future uh okay uh you've gone out a few nights without paying

08:28:18.820 for a single drink uh there yep uh you met a guy at the bar face oh okay you met some guy

08:28:30.740 you kind of liked him turns out he's in an open relationship yeah that was a really interesting moment

08:28:37.060 uh okay uh gabriella who dat oh that's you oh yeah i got your name mixed up um

08:28:49.860 you think modern dating took a complete 180 men want to be chased what's the sizzle sizzle what is it

08:28:57.780 sprinkle sprinkle no what's the guy version drizzle drizzle i don't know no one knows what courting is 0.99

08:29:06.340 everyone's playing a game ping pong with a ball of i don't give a fuck hot takes you said you think 0.97

08:29:12.740 women have gone the definition of word provider wrong yeah i think a lot of women want a provider 1.00

08:29:19.940 but it's just like money wise and i understand like obviously the regular definition but it's like

08:29:27.620 men tend to provide financially but then lack in other parts of the relationship

08:29:33.860 um and i think because there's such a strong like okay he needs to provide and then men think

08:29:42.020 that like okay i need to provide financially they just don't cater to anything else

08:29:48.340 okay word did we get everybody yeah did we do everybody did i do your notes

08:29:55.540 did you even have notes yeah bailey yeah that's me oh i almost skipped it okay let me just do that

08:30:03.540 super quick um you dated a guy for five years when you were 17 he was 24 yeah yikes okay basically

08:30:10.500 cheated on you the whole time it's like 20 chicks uh you have a bunch of stories threesome with two guys 1.00

08:30:19.060 you did the devil's threesome technically it was a force home there was three guys so 0.91

08:30:24.260 oh you said two guys threesome two guys oh oh so you also did a foursome no with three dudes no i just

08:30:29.860 did a foursome i accidentally said three you just did a foursome just a force with three men

08:30:34.820 wait wait how many holes are there not enough oh i guess it was it was turns okay turns were taken

08:30:48.500 uh okay you talked about the windshield punching yeah yeah stole your car stereo or punched my car

08:30:57.380 stereo okay yeah yeah yeah i talked about that okay uh all right that's most of it yeah

08:31:04.820 um emily you got too many notes but give us give us one or two that you want to hit on

08:31:11.460 one or two topics you'd like to hit on um i don't know i don't remember all my notes and it was like

08:31:16.660 a couple weeks ago but i don't know i think that um okay here's one i guess men are more emotional

08:31:24.260 than women but they're just not in touch with their emotions that is so true i have that issue with my 1.00

08:31:30.260 current partner right now yeah yeah it's communication like i've tried to say before

08:31:36.900 anything else thoughts no is there anything else you wanted to um touch on i i don't remember what i've

08:31:47.220 yeah anyway anybody else here had a threesome show fans boss threesome you threesome was it girl 1.00

08:31:54.180 girl girl guy guy guy girl it was a girl and a guy okay good times same sweet uh let me see if

08:32:02.420 there's anything else i'm pretty sure we're done um anything else emily speak now forever hold your

08:32:07.460 peace all right we're gonna guys it's late i'm tired they're they're tired we're gonna get this wrapped 0.67

08:32:12.740 up uh let's see no i'm not doing the makeup shit uh is there anything else what are we forgetting mary 0.87

08:32:19.860 yeah uh so gg hold on let me get to it gg well played to the panel thank you guys for coming you 0.96

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Whatever Podcast - August 08, 2025

Anti-Male Red Hair Feminist DESTROYED In HEATED Debate？! Tea App⧸UBER Reaction! ｜ Dating Talk #253

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