Brian DEBATES Perfect 10 Boss Babe On If Women Have Duties To Men？! ｜ Dating Talk #254
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Summary
On this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, we have a special guest on the show, Lizzie! She's here to talk to us about a variety of topics, but mostly, she wants to know if she should buy a hoodie or not. We also talk about the Black Lives Matter movement and why it's important to support it.
Transcript
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Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating
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If someone can test out a little Twitch Prime in the chat. We got merch, shop.whatever.com. There
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during the show, it's going to pop up on stream and we can give you guys a shout out, kind
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of just like this. One moment. There it is. Lizzie. Okay. Thank you, Lizzie. It looks like
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you bought a hoodie. Thank you. Appreciate it. And includes a little message there too. And
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then someone looks like they just bought a t-shirt. So thank you. Appreciate it. And also, guys,
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no X on the end. Okay. Oh, check out my nonprofit movement, Big Labia Matter, or BLM for short.
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Hashtag BLM. Because all labia can't matter until Big Labia Matter. 10,000 labioplasties a
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year in the United States. A little solidarity there. A little solidarity fist from Ellie. So
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be sure to support. 10,000 procedures in the United States every year. Very tragic.
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So sad. Trying to ban it, basically. If you can't catch the full shows, we have a Clips
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by the way, guys, it's, you know, this is, it's a role. So we're going to give somebody
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role in just a moment. We'll do it. You know what? We'll do it. We're going to do it after
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the intros to give you guys a bit of time. So after the introductions, but for now, discord.gg
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slash whatever. If you join, we're going to give one lucky winner a free paid role on the
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Discord. Okay. Disclaimer, the views expressed by the guests do not necessarily reflect the
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views of the whatever channel. Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce
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themselves. So please tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from, and education.
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Go ahead. Hi, my name is Ellie. I'm 18 years old. I'm from San Diego, and I'm a student.
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Okay. Where are you studying at? High school. You're still in high school. I'm still in high
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school. Okay. You're a super senior? Okay. Well, I was put into school late, so it's not totally
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my fault. I still am pretty stupid, though. So you're going into your senior year? There's
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a little bit of a correspondence, yes. I am going into my senior year. Okay. And, okay,
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are you planning to go to college after? Yes, I am. Okay. And you were recently featured on
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Fish Tank. That I was. Explain that to some of the viewers who don't know what that is.
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Fish Tank, it's a 24-7 live streamed show where we do some challenges in order to win a grand
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prize. And a lot like this, we get sent TTS. We get sent what are called fish toys, which
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are kind of like your champagne poppers or whatever, where they can silence us by putting
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a bag over our heads or, like, I don't know, stealing our beds or mattresses. Lots of fun
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stuff. Maybe we should introduce something like that, too. If anybody sends in... Some punishments.
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If anybody sends in a $200 TTS in the next five minutes, you get to select who... Who...
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Where... For a period of 10 minutes, where's a... You get the dunce hat, and it has a helicopter
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on top, and it spins. So, you know, if anybody... You want to see Ellie, wear the dunce hat for
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10 minutes. Oh, my God. Send in the TTS. Okay. Specify who you want, though. So, okay. And when
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was that? When was Fish Tank? It was a couple weeks ago. It aired July 13th. July 13th.
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No, June 13th. Yeah. Okay. And is there somebody who wins it, or how does that work? Well...
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Is there a winner? Yes. There usually is a winner, but our season kind of got cut short.
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I won't go into too much on why. Oh. Yeah. Is it, like, TOS, or...?
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Kind of. Yeah. Okay. Vaguely. All right. We don't have to get into it, then. Okay. Cool.
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Did you enjoy it, though? Was it a good experience? I had a blast. Yeah. Okay. Sounds fun.
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Rock and roll. Rock and roll. All right. What about you? I'm Audrey. I'm 23. I do a bunch
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of stuff for work, makeup, prosthetic stuff. Right now, I'm not in school, but planning to
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be a mortician at one point in my life. T. Yeah. Sorry. 23, you said? 23. 23. Yes.
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The right age. Planning to be a mortician? Yeah. I went to school for it, and I, like, really
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wanted to do it. But then life happened, and I was taking care of my mom. So, I want to
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do some type of education thing, and that is what I have always wanted to do. So, hopefully
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at one point, I'll be doing your grandma's makeup. Do you know how to do all people?
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I, not yet, but I will. Oh, okay. You're still figuring that out, I guess. Okay. Cool.
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And so, are you in college or anything like that? Not right now, but mortician school coming
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up. Okay. Gotcha. All right. What about you? Hi. I'm Mika. I'm 27. I came here from Vegas.
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I'm a registered behavior technician. Okay. And I have my bachelor's in psychology from
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NLV. I might get my master's this year. I don't know. Okay. Educated queen. Yes. We
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love it. All right. And do you do content creation, too, or? Yeah. I used to, just for
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fun. Just for fun. You know. It's art. What were you doing? What? What were you doing
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for content? Mostly, like, fashion, makeup. Yeah. Just being silly. I mean, you also did what?
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Yeah. We, let's not talk about it right now. It's still linked. You still have it linked
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everywhere. Well, you know, just, yeah. I don't know. You don't know what? It's up there.
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I take it down sometimes. I'm very, like, a wishy-washy person. So, you're not currently
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actively doing it, is what you're saying? Sometimes. When's the last time you posted?
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Um, I actually haven't posted. It's just, like, when people DM me. Well, you send
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them, what, like, what is it called? Paper, paper views or whatever? Yeah. Okay. When's
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the last time you did a paper view? Oh, no. Yeah. I haven't done a paper view in, like,
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a year. Maybe. So, people message you and you talk to them for free? No. It depends.
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Okay. Yeah. Should, you want to elaborate a little bit, or? I just don't know what I'm
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doing. So, that's it. What do you mean? In life. In life? In general, yeah. I don't.
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I'm like Barbie. I have 50 careers, and I'm trying to figure out what I'm trying to
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focus on right now. So, yeah. Understood. Okay. Um, you, uh, I, I saw in one of them
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that you described yourself as, hold on. Oh, gosh. Cool. Cool. You said it. You, hold
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on one sec. Let me get it. God, he's searching. So, yeah. Okay. You have the bachelor's in
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psychology. You were or are a behavioral therapist. Uh-huh. Uh, I saw on a TikTok of you being
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walked on a leash in public? Yeah. Okay. I'd love that for you. It's like a music video.
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It's art to me. Oh, okay. You described yourself as a pet girl. That, okay. Who loves, wait,
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who loves head pats. Yeah. And there's something else, but I'm not going to say that. Um, so,
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do you identify as a dog? Oh, my God. What? Like a, yes. You know how people, like, identify
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as an animal or whatever? Okay. Yeah. So, um, sometimes, but that's, like, a mental illness.
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It's, like, a dissociative identity disorder. Yeah. But, so, are you? A furry? Yeah. I guess.
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I like, I like cat ears, but I don't have a suit. It's too expensive, and it's not my alley.
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Yeah. I forgot my cat ears. So, you're, what is a, okay, but a pet girl is what? What's a pet
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girl? You, you don't want to be, like, someone's pet taken care of, you know, fed. It's like
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a sub-dom thing. Yeah. It's like a sub-dom thing. Right, but is it, like, are you role-playing
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as an animal? No, not really, but, like, I have, like, this tip. But you were locked on
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a leash. But that's not, I wasn't wearing cat ears or a tail or anything. And also, the
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leash wasn't around the neck. It was, like, around your waist. How did you find that harness?
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I think it was on your TikTok or something. The harness. Did I have, like, five? Yeah, it was
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on your TikTok. All right, well, I hope it blows up. He does research before. Okay,
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cool. All right, well, have you ever, like, walked on all fours on the leash? No, not that
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much. It's just, like, a little bit, you know. Okay. All right. Don't kink shame. I wasn't
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kink shaming. I'm not an animal. Good to know. What about you? Okay. My name
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is Jillian. I am 23. I'm from Dallas. I'm a waitress, and I also go to school for psychology
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at UNT, and I graduate next semester. You're getting your bachelor's in arts, bachelor's
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in science. What are you getting? Bachelor's in science for psychology. All right, rock and
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roll. What about you? Hi, my name is Luna. I'm 19. I'm from Los Angeles, and I am a second
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year psychology student at UC Santa Barbara. All right, welcome. And what part of L.A. are
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you from? Like Culver City. Culver City. Got it. Okay, cool. And this is, so you're going
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into your second year or third year? Yes, my second year. Second year at UCSB. You said
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studying psychology. Yes. Rock and roll. What about you? Hey, I'm Renez. I think I'm probably
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the oldest one here. Prefer not to say my age. You look great. Wait, do you prefer not to say
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your age because you think you're the oldest one here? Or even if there was somebody older
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than you here, you would still prefer to not say your age? So I prefer not to say
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my age only because I don't love giving dates if I don't have to. Well, we don't need like
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you were born. Yeah. You know, October 15th in 1973. We don't need that. Just how old
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you are? Older. Okay. Anyway, so I'm a spiritual wellness entrepreneur. So I was... If I'm older
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than you? Do you think I'm older than you? How old are you? I don't know. I mean, we're
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probably maybe close to age. I'm just curious, like if you go on a date with somebody, do you
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not tell them your age? No. Yeah. I mean, obviously I disclose once I feel like I want to spend
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time with this person. No, but like, are you on any dating apps, for example? No. Okay.
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How do you typically meet people? Out and about. Okay. So if somebody came up to you and they
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start chatting you up or whatever, and they're like, oh, how old are you? You'd be like, eh,
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I'm not, don't know you well enough, not comfortable enough sharing that information. Oh yeah, totally.
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Do you want to give us a range? Like, were you alive during the... You look so good. So like,
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no matter how old you are, it's going to be a range. Was Reagan president while you were alive?
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I am a MMA fighter from Arkansas, and I'm pursuing a bachelor's degree in health and wellness and
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then minoring in exercise science at University of Arkansas in Little Rock.
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Sorry, I was still just wrapping my head around the previous unknown.
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And what's your, do you have like a specific martial art that you specialize in?
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My coach has really just coached me to be an all-around fighter because it's called mixed
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So, I mean, I don't like when people are like, oh, you're just a striker.
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And you know how like a lot of fighters have a foundation and like either they came from
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I came from just regular sports and I kind of just put myself into it.
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Um, have you, uh, how do you typically, you know, defeat your opponents?
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Well, on my debut, like my first ever fight, I got a knockout, which I was pretty proud of.
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And I've done some kickboxing matches, which went to decision.
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And then my last fight, um, I got a submission.
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I'm 19 from Santa Barbara and I work for the whatever podcast.
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I've been getting a lot of followers from that.
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We're going to go around the, actually, wait, we got to do, uh, the, the discord hookup.
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Oh, this is not too many people joined, so, uh.
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Give it to, um, hmm, hmm, interesting, interesting.
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So going around the table once more, what's your current relationship status?
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Are you single, talking stage, relationship, whatever?
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If you're single, how long have you been single?
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And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
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But, like, I mean, if you count, I don't like calling them talking stages if I've, like, texted.
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You're looking at me like it was my turn, so...
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Um, I mean, my guardians would like me to focus staunchly on school, which is understandable.
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I think I want to date for marriage, seriously.
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And if that comes along the way, then so be it.
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Well, my mom is a homeless meth addict, and I got removed from her when I was, like, 13.
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They had it pretty rough for a while, and then they split up when I was, like, eight, and my mom had custody of me, but then she did some silly stuff, and I wound up with my sister.
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Had she been using even in your childhood, or was that, like, a new development?
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She, like, had some run-ins, apparently, when she was, like, a teenager, but then...
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Then she sounds like she got sober, but then she fell back into addiction?
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So your mom had your sister when she was, like, 18, then?
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Are you trying to follow in your mother's footsteps?
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I'm probably not trying to, unless I want to end up in a box on the side of the road.
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If that's my five-year plan, then maybe I'll follow in her footsteps, but it's not looking
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So you have, you live with your sister and her partner.
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I feel like sometimes when people say partner, they might mean-
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You said you want to wait till marriage, or you're marriage-minded?
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I mean, I haven't really put that much thought into it, just because it hasn't been, like,
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put in front of me too much, but I'm feeling like I want to wait till marriage.
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I think, like, that's a pretty valued thing to me, personally.
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I'm vaguely religious, so, like, I'm afraid of eternal damnation, but-
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So, which religion are you vaguely associated with?
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I'm single right now and not looking to be anything else.
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Can I have you just tilt your mic down just a tad?
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You recently got out of a relationship, though.
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It was like a three and a half year relationship, something like that?
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He wanted me to be like, why did that girl stare at you?
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You guys would go out into public together and he would hope that you would scold him
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And I'm very talkative and a flirty person naturally.
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Like, so I felt like I couldn't even be myself.
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And even women, he was, like, a girl would compliment my makeup and he's like, oh, you're
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So, like, it was that level of, like, every single person he thought I was trying to flirt
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I don't want to talk about it anymore because I felt bad.
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He, it didn't work because it wasn't big enough to use, you know?
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So, and I fell in love with him before I found out his penis.
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He said, do you have to go like this to have sex?
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If I do this, we'll stop talking about it right after.
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Even if you're skinny, what are you going to do with that?
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Even if he had a schlong, it probably wouldn't have worked either way.
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Like even if you're skinny, three inches is not going to be shit.
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Have you ever encountered a feeder is what I'm trying to ask.
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I'm not like one of those fat people, which I love.
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But there's things called like feeders and feederism and stuff like that, which like men
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Like there's even a thing called death feederism, which it's like they want them to die.
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They want them to be so fat that they can't take care of themselves.
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So if you're in that relationship, get the fuck out.
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So I don't support that because I mean, I support everyone's fetishes, but when it comes
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to like met, like that is just ridiculous to like want to make someone not be able to
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That's actually blame like about 10, 15 pounds on her.
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Well, that's my ex-boyfriend, the one, he wasn't a feeder, but I mean, he was like,
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he wanted me to be bigger because he wanted no one to want me.
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So like I did gain most of my weight in that relationship because he was fat.
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I'm just putting a warning out there for my fellow fats.
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That's a bit of a situation when there's two fat people.
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And then all you do is like, you both are into that.
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So then you do that, like you go out and buy food and then he would like bring me food
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And I didn't think, cause I was so madly in love.
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Like it's just, you don't kind of like realize like food is like, also it's your health.
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Like you have to realize it's about your health too.
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It's not just about like the way you look and if a man will date you, you know?
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Do you think a lot of guys low key want, like they, they have a thing for, for rotund women?
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Um, and are you saying, do people have a type for that?
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You know how like some guys are down low, like they're gay.
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Are there some guys who on the DL just have a thing for, for Rubenesque.
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I just came back from the Vegas bashes, which is like, it's a literally a bash for fat people.
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Like it's called a BBW bash and I, um, they use my photos to promote them and stuff.
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But, and it's like the men there are like 10 out of 10.
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Like people don't understand fat girls can get whoever they want when they like in that
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Like there's people who are famous in my DMS, rappers, whatever.
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They might be insecure about it, which is understood like because of the way the world is like people
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You know, you said rappers, uh, you've got some rappers.
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I don't drop names though, but my DMS are crazy.
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Not like Kendrick, but like 3 million followers and above.
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Because there's a lot of people who are just like into women, you know?
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There's people who like me and they just like me because I'm a good person and whatever.
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You don't have to have a fat fetish to date a fat girl.
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Like sometimes you just fall in love, you know?
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And are you, are you trying to like lose weight?
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Like I gained a lot of weight in that relationship and I lost, I lost it.
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And then I have maintained it because I'm going to do a TV show for a weight loss.
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So they kind of want me to stay fat, which so I'm just like maintaining, but like exercising
00:32:00.560
But yeah, I'm like very mobile and all that stuff.
00:32:09.680
I'm in a relationship and the longest I've dated is four years.
00:32:15.600
How long have you been in the current relationship?
00:32:23.320
When we had reached, been talking for a year or two, finally got you on, you were in a
00:32:29.240
relationship when you were initially reached out.
00:32:34.040
The four-year relationship who broke up with who?
00:32:42.300
I guess I moved, I mean, I broke up because I had to move to Vegas and we just didn't work
00:32:56.320
To Brian and the entire panel, would you rather fight a naked man or fight a man naked?
00:33:01.880
And would you rather fight a naked woman or fight a woman naked?
00:33:07.620
And would you rather fight a naked woman or fight a woman naked?
00:33:20.440
You know, if they got a collar on, like you can do, you know, you can start pulling on
00:33:25.060
the collar a little bit, do some fucking judo shit, some fuck, you know, there's some chokes
00:33:29.660
you can do with certain, you know, so she knows, she knows what I'm talking about.
00:33:34.020
It's easier, easier, you know, when you ever seen guys either posturing a fight or they
00:33:39.160
do end up fighting and they take their shirt off, they do it for a reason because the shirt
00:33:43.100
can be grabbed on to either create leverage or you can pull that shit over them in some
00:33:50.920
Maybe I should let you guys answer that before, but so going around the table really quick,
00:33:55.820
would you rather, you guys answer the woman one.
00:34:01.440
So would you rather fight a naked woman or fight a woman naked?
00:34:05.380
In both scenarios, I think I would want the other person to be naked just because I'd
00:34:11.300
I think if I was naked, I'd be more worried about being naked than fighting.
00:34:19.420
I'm assuming this is happening in a vacuum where there's nobody else around.
00:35:13.380
And my longest relationship was like three, four years.
00:35:17.780
Um, like, like November, October, November of last year.
00:35:28.780
How long have you known your current boyfriend?
00:36:23.280
And, um, I actually didn't end up going to my prom.
00:36:38.000
Was it, you went as friends with, with a guy or just like a group of girls?
00:36:48.580
He knew the, um, he knew the guy that I was going with.
00:36:58.780
Wait, this was when you were dating your high school boyfriend?
00:37:02.120
Wait, you went to, while you were dating a guy, you went to prom with another guy.
00:37:10.160
I've known the other guy since I was like seven.
00:37:26.380
Um, his behavior at prom didn't really seem like it, so.
00:37:34.380
Uh, in any case, you've been, uh, single for two years.
00:37:38.400
Who broke up with who in the six month relationship?
00:37:40.940
Um, I think it was more mutual because I was moving away and he would still be in high school.
00:37:49.820
I feel like coming into college in a relationship can be a little difficult because I feel like
00:37:56.400
in your freshman year, it's best to kind of branch out and meet new people.
00:38:01.380
And some boyfriends can find that like difficult because if you're meeting like other people
00:38:11.120
Um, so you guys broke up at the end of your senior year?
00:38:30.920
Um, because I told him about the idea of rushing and he's in a frat.
00:38:34.340
So he thought it would be good for me, but I honestly, like no hate if anyone's in a
00:38:43.560
Maybe fraternities are one thing, but sororities, I feel like you can still get into any party.
00:38:51.320
Um, but it's kind of different if you're in a frat cause it's like, you can't get into
00:38:59.200
And so you had, you just had finished up your, uh, freshman year at UCSB and number one party
00:39:08.300
Uh, did you see any guys during this time, you know, go on dates or any casual, anything
00:39:14.680
I had a few little, like almost dating situations.
00:39:21.600
Um, I came in here and I didn't really know anyone that was going here cause no one
00:39:30.580
Um, but there's this one guy, he's, he was a third year, which probably would have been
00:39:41.260
A third year hitting on a freshman is a little, I find that a little alarming, but I feel like
00:39:48.660
once you're in college, the age gap doesn't necessarily matter as much, but he was really
00:39:54.620
We went on a lot of dates, but he kind of expected me to like be a stay at home mom and
00:40:05.400
And when I brought up the fact that I wanted to work and I wanted to like make my own money
00:40:09.860
and be independent to myself, he kind of shot that idea down and he was like, no, like I'll
00:40:17.220
take care of you, which is great, but it just wasn't my thing.
00:40:26.420
Um, so he was actually getting with other girls while we were dating who are also freshmen.
00:40:37.660
Um, so you said that he wanted you to like, you guys weren't living together though.
00:40:47.760
No, but I would spend some nights like at his house.
00:40:55.800
If you guys are anywhere near frat man, never stay there.
00:41:04.080
Literally one of the worst housing situations I've ever been in.
00:41:07.620
How many, cause oftentimes they just pack people into the rooms.
00:41:12.780
Uh, he only had one and he would go home every weekend to see his girlfriend.
00:41:18.380
But so it sounded like he wanted like a kind of a traditional dynamic with you.
00:41:26.100
So what were some of the things again that he wanted?
00:41:29.540
He expected me to just be there for him to cook and clean and to just support him and whatever.
00:41:37.200
But I grew up really independent and I always wanted to like make my own money and like have
00:41:43.920
my own life, but he really wanted me to just literally be attached to his hip and be with
00:41:54.920
And so was there an expectation that like you clean his room and stuff?
00:42:05.200
I, oh, I have actually cleaned his room a few times cause he would be like, oh, the boys
00:42:20.600
And he was like, he was like, oh yeah, but like really quick.
00:42:25.720
Cause his room was necessarily what we would call the chum room, which is just the room
00:42:30.460
where all the frat brothers would be in and they just talk and they like hang out in
00:42:38.460
I probably shouldn't have, but yeah, it was a really interesting decision made by me.
00:42:46.440
How many times would you, do you think you cleaned his room?
00:42:59.240
It's like dirty pans, dishes all over the sink, rotting food.
00:43:09.300
You said he was talking about wanting you to stay home and have kids, but I assume that
00:43:15.760
But since he was older, he wanted to kind of like, like kind of fit by whatever I'm on.
00:43:24.680
So he was like, Oh, I'll move to LA, get a job there.
00:43:27.340
Like, so when you come home, like we can be together and like stay in touch and whatever.
00:43:36.940
And what were the other, I guess, traditional things that he wanted?
00:43:45.820
So he kind of expected me to like post him and like kind of make it known that I'm with
00:43:54.040
And he would ask me like, if I went anywhere that wasn't my class, he'd be like, where are
00:44:03.080
And I have a lot of guy friends, which might be a huge issue, but I thought it went both
00:44:12.300
I respected him because since he's in a frat, he has a lot of sorority friends.
00:44:16.960
So I was like, yeah, like you can have your girlfriends and I can have my guy friends.
00:44:21.680
I was more than happy to introduce them to each other.
00:44:29.140
Like, even though we don't really talk anymore, like he still hangs out.
00:44:40.300
So we went out for three months and then we stopped talking and we started talking again
00:44:57.000
Which I found out after we broke up because a lot of the girls, a lot of his sorority friends
00:45:04.060
And they'll be like, oh wait, I don't want to name drop.
00:45:07.540
Oh, like I saw that like you and him were always together.
00:45:12.480
And then they'll be like, oh yeah, like blah, blah, blah got with him too.
00:45:19.360
And it was really funny because it would be the nights that I was either back home or nights
00:45:29.160
And it was really interesting because they would have like a family party, which is like
00:45:35.600
your sister sorority and the brother fraternity could get together and they would have their
00:45:40.820
own thing before opening it up to everyone else.
00:45:43.800
So it'd be those nights that he had cheated on me.
00:45:47.700
I mean, were you guys official boyfriend, girlfriend?
00:45:52.000
We, well, I was aware that we were exclusive, but apparently not.
00:45:58.760
But did you call him like, were you boyfriend, girlfriend or?
00:46:02.160
Um, we never really put labels on anything, but it was borderline boyfriend, girlfriend.
00:46:09.660
Like we went out and we would be seen together.
00:46:12.940
Did, did either of you say you love each other?
00:46:18.940
And you said that there was an understanding that you guys were exclusive.
00:46:22.220
So there was, was there an actual conversation?
00:46:35.580
And then that's when all like, after that, the whole traditional thing started and that's
00:46:41.160
when he got like really serious and try to like lock me down kind of.
00:46:49.380
Like, cause I mean, a lot of people, especially freshman year, they like to go out party on
00:46:55.640
Would he ever be upset or jealous when you went out?
00:46:59.920
So since we, I lived in the dorms my first year, obviously, and he lived in a fraternity
00:47:05.300
house, I would obviously be going home with like my friends and majority of my friends
00:47:10.680
are guys and he kind of would take it the wrong way, but we all lived in the same dorm and
00:47:16.200
they've been over at his, he's been over at mine while they're there.
00:47:20.340
Like I thought it was like a mutual, like, I'm not interested in Luna, like kind of vibe,
00:47:28.240
but other times you'd be like, Oh, who are you with?
00:47:32.020
And I would be like, Oh, I'm with like my friends, like my guy friends.
00:47:35.160
And he'd be like, no, you're not like, I know you're not.
00:47:41.320
And then you said the way you grew up, it was like, I'm trying to recall exactly what
00:47:47.840
you said, because he, I think what you're trying to get at was he wanted this traditional
00:47:52.440
dynamic, but you weren't really raised that way.
00:47:57.340
I grew up really independent, so I'm adopted from Taiwan and my adoptive parents have a
00:48:09.900
And growing up, I always, he's actually watching this really funny.
00:48:14.140
He actually, we grew up and I've always felt that they favored him more than me just because
00:48:20.400
I mean, they would spend like thousands of dollars for his club and like his club soccer and all
00:48:28.160
And whenever I had asked, cause I also played like club lacrosse, whenever I had asked, they
00:48:33.900
would be like, no, we can't go to these tournaments cause your brother has something or we can't
00:48:44.520
And some days, like when I was 10, they would actually leave me at home cause he would have
00:48:51.360
early tournaments all the way, like in Silver Lake and they would leave early and I would
00:48:58.440
So they would leave me and I would just wake up to an empty house.
00:49:01.980
So I've always like cooked for myself and I've like cleaned my room and like kind of took
00:49:07.600
care of everything and like all the pets and stuff.
00:49:21.540
Yes, but she was adopted by another family in Orange County.
00:49:29.820
And your brother, he's older or younger than you?
00:50:12.820
The 11-year relationship, who broke up with who?
00:50:18.680
We just spent so many years together, and we eventually just grew apart.
00:50:25.960
He didn't want to support my dreams, and so it was just a hard no.
00:50:31.820
What do you mean by he didn't want to support your dreams?
00:50:34.920
What were your dreams, and what was the support that you required?
00:50:39.380
So, yeah, I guess when I would talk about where I wanted to go and what I wanted to do with, you know, my future, he really just didn't, he didn't want to support me having such like lofty dreams.
00:50:55.720
Um, so it just, it wasn't fitting into his idea of a future partner.
00:51:07.060
Uh, just to, like, to build my own empire and not to be underneath, um, his thumb.
00:51:16.680
Um, like, I guess being in a relationship for so long with someone, they have these expectations that they want you to, um, you know, either be at home or maybe just, they want to have more time with you.
00:51:33.400
So, I think that's how it felt, and I wanted to pursue dreams.
00:51:37.360
I wanted to be, um, I wanted to just be able to do whatever I wanted to do, and.
00:51:43.700
You wanted to be able to do whatever you wanted to do.
00:51:48.100
Which, like, um, well, I, I mentioned that I was a spiritual wellness entrepreneur, so I have a couple different businesses, and, um, part of that is picking up and going on, like, road shows.
00:52:03.400
Um, like, just packing up, being able to, um, hit the road whenever I want, and that was a problem.
00:52:13.480
Like, just you'd be gone for periods of time, or?
00:52:16.620
Uh, I'd be gone, um, not available for him, and just not available.
00:52:32.560
We broke up, and then got back together, and then broke up.
00:52:37.320
So, initially, you were living together, broke up, moved out, got back together, but when you got back together, not living together.
00:52:46.120
Yeah, we got back together, and we did not live together.
00:52:50.240
Um, I believe, I think, I was just going a different way.
00:52:57.620
Again, like, I was on a different path, and it just was, it was a non-alignment kind of thing.
00:53:04.620
Mm-hmm, and I think we just tried again, because we'd have been in each other's life for so long, and, um, I helped raise his kids.
00:53:14.340
And so, yeah, I think there was, like, a, maybe we should give this another shot kind of deal, but ultimately, it just wasn't.
00:53:25.140
So, you were, like, kind of stepmom a little bit, or?
00:53:31.400
Uh, when you say he wasn't supporting your thing, you said you wanted to go out on the road to, uh, travel to different places to, for your business.
00:53:41.020
When you say he wasn't supportive, like, was he not, were you, was there an expectation he helped pay for this?
00:53:56.040
So, it was more supportive on the side of, um, hey, this is, you know, this is what I want to do.
00:54:02.740
Like, this is, this is where I want to go with my future.
00:54:08.620
And it was, like, eh, not really okay with it, so.
00:54:18.520
So, uh, you said you've been single for three years.
00:54:21.780
Is this the, uh, the guy that you've ended things with three years ago?
00:54:31.880
So, I mean, I've dated, but, and then it took a really long break just from dating, like a year and a half.
00:54:37.320
I didn't date after I left that relationship and then started dating and just.
00:54:43.360
So, if he, if he was here, he would say, uh, you know, you said he wasn't supportive of your business, your journey, whatever.
00:55:00.480
I think he would say that I probably didn't want to accept his support in some sort of way.
00:55:07.080
He, yeah, I think that's what his take would be about it.
00:55:15.720
Like, he would say, oh, I was, I was there for you, or I, I'd support you, but then it, I don't, I don't think he was, he wasn't there emotionally for support.
00:55:25.800
Um, but I think we just have different views about it, so.
00:55:31.700
Um, you're, you describe yourself as a spiritual advisor.
00:55:42.720
So, uh, I guess I jumped into spirituality about 12 years ago and, um, I came from a very corporate technical background.
00:55:51.160
So, I lived in Silicon Valley for many years and then transitioned out of Silicon Valley years ago and started, um, spiritual wellness coaching for the last three or four years.
00:56:06.040
Um, so some of my clients come from corporate where they just want a transition.
00:56:11.840
They want, um, they're just looking for a way out.
00:56:21.960
Um, but, but I mean, looking for, so, okay, they are corporate drones.
00:56:29.400
Do you need to go to a, like a therapist to, for that?
00:56:54.740
Um, don't leave your corporate job without a plan in place.
00:56:58.440
Well, wouldn't, so that's like, you'd be advising them for financial, like from a financial, like a spiritual plan?
00:57:10.640
So what spiritual advice would you, uh, impart on somebody who's looking to quit their corporate job?
00:57:17.360
So that comes in when we go through, um, different tools to utilize, to get them to know themselves on a deeper level.
00:57:27.580
So what happens is a lot of people just don't understand their gifts.
00:57:32.940
And so they're looking for a way out, but they don't know what they're truly gifted at.
00:57:40.860
So can you give us a, like a example of like a success story, I guess, or.
00:57:48.980
Um, so, I mean, I work with, so I'm, I'm, I'm an energy healer as well.
00:58:05.320
What, what other, are, uh, do you have to go to school for that or how do you become a, uh, whatever that is?
00:58:20.780
Reiki master that you do get certified for that.
00:58:23.100
How do you, how long do you have to study that to become a master?
00:58:26.480
Um, you can probably knock it out in like a couple months.
00:58:42.320
There's a, is there a school here in Santa Barbara or?
00:58:45.920
There's practitioners here that do certify you.
00:58:47.380
And they, well, how much does it cost to become a certified?
00:59:03.120
Um, so there's like different levels within the master.
00:59:10.660
So there's like three levels overall, but, um, what level are you at?
00:59:16.080
So Reiki, so there's like regular Reiki and then there's a Reiki master.
00:59:20.740
And then like within the Reiki master system, there's a couple different levels.
00:59:24.500
So just depending on how long you've been doing it.
00:59:28.180
I just come in at like the, like the bottom of the Reiki master.
00:59:34.040
I would say I've only been doing it for like three, two years.
00:59:49.580
Well, I mean, it would be like, I don't touch her physically, but like my hands go over here.
01:00:01.960
So I would put hands like around the neck right here, like this, on the head.
01:00:12.820
Did you, did you, do you feel better now, Luna?
01:00:15.480
She was actually dealing with severe depression, but now I think she's cured.
01:00:29.700
Um, what do you say to people who, um, don't believe in that sort of thing?
01:00:45.480
What do you say to those people that do say that it's, I'm not saying this, but like the
01:01:01.340
I would, I mean, I would just say like, you believe in, you know, there's people that believe
01:01:08.360
So if you believe in any of those things, then it's the same thing.
01:01:17.300
It's like the same thing as God, like the Christian God.
01:01:26.300
You don't see a person, a person sitting at the table with us.
01:01:30.840
You don't see God in a, in a, in a physical form.
01:01:43.040
Have you, have you felt any energy from the crystals?
01:02:02.000
These are actually defensive ward crystals and they protect against, um, demons, witches,
01:02:10.960
e-girls, um, embalming women who study embalming negative entities.
01:02:36.020
Uh, it depends what you're looking for, but like, like what's your most expensive package?
01:02:39.660
Like if they're wanting it all, how much are you charging for that?
01:02:42.440
Like I do 12 week transformation packages that like, I, that's what I prefer.
01:02:54.520
I charge $999 for my, I'm undercutting you by the way, uh, for my spiritual consulting
01:03:02.060
If anybody wants, uh, my, to, to procure my services for spiritual consulting, I will do
01:03:18.200
Have there been any guys in the picture in the past three years?
01:03:20.880
I mean, there's been a lot of dating, but, um, I would say nothing that I've really would
01:03:32.240
Uh, so you, maybe a couple months or something you saw some people or, um, yeah, off and on.
01:03:39.020
But right, I mean, right now, no, I'm not seeing anyone in particular that is, yeah,
01:04:35.500
I want to manifest a champagne pop for the show.
01:04:38.700
So, I don't know if somebody wants to, you know, no, no, no.
01:05:07.680
If you have an imagination and you can actually visualize it, yes, you can manifest it.
01:05:20.040
To just, I'm sorry, asteroid, to just come barreling through the studio.
01:05:30.280
So, it just, it just kind of gave Nick, like, a, just got Nick's hair.
01:05:48.860
In the manifestation world that, you know, you can't, you cannot manifest things that are
01:06:07.220
I want a, uh, a bald eagle to fly into the studio.
01:06:13.080
You know, with a duffel bag full of hard drives, full of Bitcoin and cash.
01:06:40.240
Oh, that's so, like, I don't think I can even drop secrets on that because if you're
01:06:44.000
not going to share, then I'm not going to share what it would take.
01:06:50.840
Well, I'm not going to share my manifestation techniques with you, too, then.
01:07:04.920
But my producer, Nick, says he's had his eye on the manifestation, or the FPS.
01:07:11.900
Can we manifest some good FPS for the stream boys?
01:07:42.900
Maybe we have to, well, we'll keep an eye on it, Nick.
01:07:45.300
Can you tell me in, like, five minutes if it's still scuffed?
01:08:12.160
Um, so, I was a freshman in the same college I'm going to, and, um, kind of dated a wrestler
01:08:21.780
He was happy for me, but he was like, if you, you know, want to pursue MMA, you're not,
01:08:26.900
you don't really need a boyfriend at the time, because I told my coach I want MMA to be
01:08:31.160
my career, which it is now, and it was like, I think, four or five months before my first
01:08:37.120
ever fight, so I was pretty focused on my fight, and my coach was like, that's going to
01:08:42.460
And so, my coach kind of told me to end things, and he understood.
01:08:46.220
So, I ended things after two days, and, um, I'm here now.
01:09:10.160
Ellie's the, okay, I guess the, she's still trying to make it happen.
01:09:13.760
Um, you, um, you also wrote here, uh, yeah, so you broke up with him, your coach told you
01:09:31.900
Um, we're, well, I actually go to a non-denominational church.
01:09:35.220
I grew up in a, okay, non-denominational church.
01:09:38.480
I don't really, like, I call myself a Christ follower, but if y'all hung out with me, I'm
01:09:48.300
Um, so, the Christians I've been around, some of them, not all of them, are very judgmental.
01:09:55.000
They'll tell you, oh, you don't need to wear this, you don't need to eat this, like,
01:09:59.860
But, if you have a relationship with God, um, you don't really need a set denomination,
01:10:08.240
really, because there's Catholics, there's Mormons, there's all these different denominations.
01:10:14.380
But, I feel like if you just have that authentic relationship with God, you shouldn't have to
01:10:23.800
Uh, chat, what is the, is this called, um, Sola Scriptura?
01:10:30.760
Where they just, uh, so do you, um, you don't, you don't go to church then?
01:10:46.140
So, the church you go to, there's no, like, biblical prescriptions that they advise?
01:10:52.120
Um, there are some, like, they'll talk about fasting, like, they talk in New Testament and
01:11:00.100
They talk about fasting, praying, um, the apostles, Jesus, resurrection, all that stuff.
01:11:08.640
But, um, it, my church is not the pushy type of church.
01:11:12.720
Like, we're like, come as you are, and they're very welcoming, and say if somebody, like,
01:11:19.780
everybody sins, but say if somebody really sinful, just got off the streets, came into
01:11:24.720
our church, our church is not going to be like, oh, you can't be here.
01:11:27.880
Like, we're going to show you the love like Jesus would show you, basically.
01:11:32.460
But you're saying there's certain, uh, religious doctrines or Christian doctrines that you would
01:11:40.180
Like, it's kind of up to you to pick and choose which, uh.
01:11:44.780
Like, I know Catholics, I think they pray to Mary.
01:11:50.140
Well, you mentioned something about the way you dress.
01:11:53.460
So, you, you'll dress revealing, is what you're saying?
01:12:01.380
I mean, I'll wear crop tops, and I'll wear, like, a tank top, but I know some, like.
01:12:09.020
Uh, question, do you believe in, uh, when you're married, do you believe that wives
01:12:14.460
should be submissive to their husbands from a Christian worldview?
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So, if your husband said, hey, I don't want you doing MMA anymore, would you quit?
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Um, I don't think I would date a guy that wouldn't want me to do my career, but, um, I think I'll
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be retired when I get married, so that wouldn't be a problem.
01:12:37.360
Um, I would just, I don't know, that would probably be a big argument for me.
01:12:42.600
But is it possible that you could be married while you're still actively?
01:12:49.600
So, okay, so you would just on your own opt to retire?
01:12:57.680
But say you met a guy, like, today, and then you get married a year from now.
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...into their 30s in the UFC, so, I mean, you could be...
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She'd recent, like, within the past year or two was defeated, but she was super...
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So, I mean, could you see yourself competing into your mid to late 30s in the UFC?
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Um, because, like, with the sponsorships I have now, like, I'm making pretty good money.
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And once I, like, break into the UFC, there's more opportunities and endorsements and all that
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And I feel like if you do your money right and make it work for you, you can retire from
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But I would still kind of work, like, do seminars, travel, but not fight.
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Well, not now, but could you see yourself down the road?
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Let's say you get married at 25, though, and your husband says, eh, I just want you
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It's just on again, off again with you, with the guy, right?
01:14:57.920
We have a soup chat here from Josh Brooks, or Streamlabs message, and he says, you know
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I have an all-important question for the panel, Brian.
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Most embarrassing dating or carnal knowledge stories.
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Embarrassing for either person, something that really stuck with you.
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Oh, so, I mean, just pose to the panel, most embarrassing dating story or hookup story,
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Anybody have an embarrassing dating or hookup story?
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I was making out with this guy in high school, like, on his bunk bed, and it was dark, and
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we were, like, getting into it and having a good time, and then I, like, looked, like,
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went like this, and I see that there was blood all over his face, and I was, like, and then
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I looked in the mirror, and I saw there was blood all over my face.
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I got a bloody nose, and I, my first bloody nose I've ever gotten in my life, ever.
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I've never, and I still have never gotten one since then, and it was, like, it was a carry
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Did you end up staying with that guy for a while?
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Yeah, he, you know, it was nice, because, like, he was one of those guys that, like,
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didn't care, and also he was, like, a freak, like, weird freak, so, like, he was.
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Well, then you know it was, like, serendipitous.
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No, I think it's because I was, like, I was, like, on top, you know, like, and I was,
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like, down for a long time, so maybe the gravity just, I don't know what happened.
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I don't know, but it was, what's crazy is how we didn't notice or taste the blood, like,
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It was bad, so that was pretty bad and embarrassing.
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That's better than what I thought you were going to say.
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Oh, that has not happened to me, thank God, but no.
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I have one like that, speaking of blood, but that kind of blood, actually.
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Okay, so I'm bi, so I was with a woman at the time, and we were drinking, we were drinking
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a lot, and I remember we were, like, at her house, just in her room, getting things started,
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you know, and she goes down there, starts munching, and I was like, ooh, like, I'm really wet
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And then she pulls her face away, it's, like, covered in blood, and I remember being
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like, oh no, like, I did not know I started, and then she was just like, went back in,
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went back in for it, and I was like, okay, whatever, whatever feels right, you know, I
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loved it, but, like, yeah, 10 minutes later, she got sick, and, you know, I felt really
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embarrassed, because I was like, maybe it's because of me, but I think it was just because
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If I thought too hard about it, I'd probably also get sick, so I was like, but it was kind
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Every guy that I've met, they tell me they don't care about that.
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Having sex, no, like, I feel like I've never had an issue, like, every guy I've been with,
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they've never had, like, they just put a towel down, but I'm not letting you eat my cooter,
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where I'm like, what the heck, like, that's just insane, that's insane.
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I mean, I'm not saying, like, love that she did that for you, but I'm not gonna let
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someone, like, you know what I mean, that's weird, but.
01:18:13.760
And, like, if I knew, if I knew, like, if it was on accident, it happened, and they're,
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I was like, if you're enjoying that, I'm enjoying it, too.
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No, yeah, if they're saying yes, I guess that's fine.
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I wouldn't, if I knew, I was, it was that time, it'd just be, yeah, let's pass on that,
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but, like, sex, fine, but, like, not going down.
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Because it's fine, like, you take a shower, and it's, like, totally fine.
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Like, it doesn't even get messy unless, like, you're, it's, like, really bad,
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Like, if you shower, well, yeah, that's what I'm saying, if they're down there with their
01:18:57.320
If they're down on sex on our period, would you have sex with someone on their period?
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Generally, no, it's not my preference to do that.
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Your girlfriend, you're dating your girlfriend for two years, and you wouldn't have sex with her?
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I feel like if you're a boyfriend, like, that's, like, I feel like...
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If you're in a relationship with a girl, there's no need to then go and have sex on her period.
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But so, I can see the potential argument if, like, there's a guy who's inclined to have a, like, a casual encounter, and that's the only opportunity to do it.
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A guy might be more willing to do it under those circumstances, but...
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No, I think it's fine if you don't want to, if you're, like, grossed up.
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But I feel like if I'm dating someone for, like, ten years, and every time I'm on my period, they say no, like, I wouldn't like that.
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No, because I'm saying, like, yeah, like, you're on your period, it depends on, like, three to seven days or whatever.
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That's a long period of time, and if you're horny, and your girlfriend...
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If a dude bled out of his dick, would you want to fuck him for once, you know, a couple days out of the month?
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Would you, you know, maybe just be like, you know what, maybe we don't have sex when your dick's bleeding, you know?
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But at that point, we're, like, he's depositing other stuff, we're, like, in a relationship.
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You don't need to every time, but I'm saying, like, your girlfriend comes up to you and is, like, I need it right now.
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Like, if you said no, that's, like, I would be...
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No, I was saying I got a bloody nose while I was making out with someone.
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And then she said she had a bloody coochie while she was making out with someone.
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I mean, isn't there, like, this comedian, Ali Wong?
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She has this joke about how she was seeing this guy.
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And he said, well, I guess we're going to have to make a fucking mess, aren't we?
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And she said that was the most romantic thing she's ever heard.
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Like, wouldn't you rather a girl be like, oh, my God.
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Like, that would make them so horny instead of, like, you being like, ugh, babe.
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Like, a girl wants, like, you to be so into them that you would fuck them no matter what.
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They're like, okay, we don't have to have sex during the period.
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Or do you prefer to not have sex when you're on your period?
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And it just depends on, like, if this has been a long-term boyfriend.
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Like, don't introduce that right away, I suppose, is my take on it.
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But at that point, like, once you've been dating somebody for a while,
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So then it's like, well, we might as well have sex when all the factors are as optimal as possible.
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I've never ran into a man that wouldn't be okay with it, ever.
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If you're dating someone, like, we're just talking.
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But if you're my boyfriend, we're talking about boyfriend.
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I'm just going to go in my room with my buzz buzz, and I guess I'll be okay then, too.
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Do you even want to masturbate when you're on your period?
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If you take a shower, like, an actual shower, like, you're good for a couple, like, you know what I mean?
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Like, obviously, it's not, like, and if it's a light day, like.
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Can you tilt your mic or just scoot your mic that way?
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By the way, guys, I meant to mention this at the beginning of the stream.
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Guys, there's a freaking fire miles away from our studio.
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There's been some issues with the internet connectivity.
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Oftentimes, when there's fire, fires, it impacts, you know, there's sometimes rolling blackouts, this sort of thing.
01:24:12.400
So, if you guys note, right by the monitor here, right by, can I, Santa Barbara, it just shows Santa Barbara.
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The fires are just up north a little bit, so 40,000 acres.
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We, you know, I want you guys to be thankful of this panel.
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We are all sacrificing, doing major sacrifices to put the show on.
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Some of these women might not even survive the fire.
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We're, we're going to keep streaming until the fire is literally outside our windows and engulfing the entire building.
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And then there was also a tsunami a couple days ago, too, which was deeply, you know, it had a huge impact on the podcast.
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So, you know, us here at the whatever podcast, we, the show must go on.
01:25:28.420
I know some of you aren't super familiar with the show, but some of you have seen the show before.
01:25:54.020
You write that you're moderately liberal and emotionally inclined.
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So, you tend to default towards supporting individualistic rights.
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And you say you think sometimes people on the show can be quite closed-minded.
01:26:09.620
When I said people on the show can be closed-minded, I didn't only mean, like, you.
01:26:14.080
Sometimes when I hear opinions, it just means, like, I hear people and they're, like, so, like, stuck in one opinion.
01:26:19.840
I feel like I'm very much able to, like, listen to a lot of opinions and I can see both sides a lot of the time.
01:26:26.060
I just say moderately liberal, but I would say more, like, moderate.
01:26:29.820
And I only say emotionally inclined because a lot of people put, like, I don't know, more tolerant people in a liberal category.
01:26:40.880
What are the, when you say you support individualistic rights, what are you talking about?
01:26:52.760
Like, even if I might not agree with everything personally, I'm still going to respect everybody's decisions and opinions.
01:27:01.300
Is there anything specifically that you've heard on the show that maybe I've said that you disagree with?
01:27:07.600
Um, I guess not that I would say necessarily disagree with.
01:27:11.540
I've heard y'all talk about the trans debate a couple times.
01:27:13.720
Uh, me and my boyfriend were watching a, a couple of clips the other day and y'all were talking about, like, how, uh, carnal knowledge, if it was, like, a trans woman or, like, a trans man, like, does that make it, like, gay or straight?
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And, like, I feel like some of them, like, I agreed with some of them, but also, like, I was, like, debating with him about it, because if you look like a man and you're presenting as a man, and let's say you're a straight man, but you're getting into it with, like, a trans man, so they were born a woman, but they present as a man, I would think you're a little bit, a little bit gay if you're, like, presenting as a man going for another man, even if they, like, were born a woman.
01:27:58.200
So you're saying that they were born female, but they become, they're a transgender man.
01:28:04.180
Yes, so they were born female, and then they, like, transitioned to be a male, even though they have female anatomy, but if you're a man going for someone who presents as a man, that makes you kind of gay, even if they have female anatomy.
01:28:17.500
Okay, so then, by extension, a man who, or wait, hold on, a man who goes for a trans man?
01:28:26.440
That's usually not the framing for the argument.
01:28:28.120
The framing for the argument is a cis, I hate this term, cis man who dates a transgender woman.
01:28:39.380
Well, yeah, because they have male anatomy, potentially, but if it's a transgender man, they were born a woman, so they have female anatomy, which a lot of people would argue is, like, straight relationship, because they have female anatomy, but they look like a man.
01:28:56.140
So if you're a man dating someone who looks like a man, I would think you're a little bit gay, even though you're going for someone who has female anatomy, when some people would argue that's straight.
01:29:16.620
Yeah, that would, I feel like, would make you even more gay.
01:29:18.920
Like, even if they still have a vagina, if you, like, are appearing as a man, like, let's say you have, like, facial hair, and, like, you look like you, but you have, like, a vagina, like, I would think they're a little bit gay.
01:29:31.180
Well, it's only because they argue that they're straight because they still have a vagina.
01:29:34.520
So they're like, I have a penis, and they have a vagina, so it's straight.
01:29:37.620
That's typically not how the argument is framed, but I'm happy to engage with that.
01:29:40.880
So I would say that, so the actual act of having sex with that person, that wouldn't, I don't think that would be categorized strictly as a homosexual act.
01:29:55.520
You're saying the woman still has an intact, or the trans man has an intact vagina.
01:30:02.140
Right, so there would be some questions as to his sexuality, because he finds this masculine appearance attractive.
01:30:15.580
The specific act itself, I wouldn't categorize it as a homosexual act.
01:30:22.840
Is this person hypothetically also attracted to just straight-up men also?
01:30:28.340
I don't know, maybe, if they're attracted to straight-up men also, then they're just gay.
01:30:39.980
It wouldn't fall strictly under the definition of homosexuality, because if they're aware that this person has a vagina, then...
01:30:53.480
I would not call that strictly straight, though.
01:30:56.900
But typically, my preferred framing for this is a man, so for example, me, dating a transgender woman, so somebody who was born male...
01:31:07.180
...and, well, they remain male, and whether they have a penis or a vagina, like the, it's not a vagina, but...
01:31:15.560
Would you think that that's straight, or would you think that that's gay?
01:31:23.120
It's born male, and I'll even go ahead and grant that it has the... I'm not going to call it a vagina, because it's not a vagina, but it's post-operative.
01:31:35.080
Well, because they appear female, and, like, they don't have any male anatomy at that point anymore.
01:31:39.760
Like, I would say it's straight with a few extra steps. I wouldn't say it's, like, 100% straight.
01:31:44.360
Yeah, but have they... Well, I guess the easiest way to put this, what is straight short for?
01:31:55.800
It's straight for... Would you say it's straight for heterosexual?
01:32:07.900
So heterosexual refers to the other sex or the opposite sex.
01:32:13.500
So a transgender woman is not the opposite sex.
01:32:24.860
And so when we're talking about sexuality, we're referring to the sex in which you're attracted to,
01:32:30.020
not the gender identity in which you're attracted to.
01:32:38.200
If a male is engaging in a sexual act with a male, definitionally, that would be a homosexual act.
01:32:47.280
Even if their gender identity is that of a female.
01:32:52.280
Because, yeah, biologically, if they're still a male, then that would be homosexual.
01:32:56.500
But if they, like, look female and they have no male parts, you're not doing technically anything homosexual besides just messing with someone who has different chromosomes than you?
01:33:04.820
You, no, it still definitionally would be a homosexual act.
01:33:14.460
I mean, there's a whole bunch of reasons why somebody could care.
01:33:19.320
Well, if it becomes this cultural norm where, essentially, like, oh, yeah, that's 100% a woman, then, okay, I don't need to disclose to a potential partner that I'm actually male.
01:33:32.860
Well, or even going further, I actually have a penis, but I fully exterior...
01:33:45.220
There's literally a push in this movement to basically...
01:33:50.540
That's what I also wanted to mention is because in the last episode that I was in, there was the guy...
01:33:58.760
And I didn't argue the topic with him because I feel like I didn't want to give it the time of day with him because he was so educated in the topic.
01:34:07.300
But I feel like it's more, like, a respect thing.
01:34:09.760
Like, these people are humans at the end of the day.
01:34:11.620
Like, when it comes to, like, our kids, leave our kids alone.
01:34:14.040
Like, kids should not be transitioning at frickin' five.
01:34:21.460
I respect people and their opinions and their beliefs.
01:34:24.020
And I feel like if a person wants to live as a woman and I'm going to respect them as that, I'm going to call them that.
01:34:29.300
They're trying to take my womanhood, right, because they want to be a woman.
01:34:38.160
You know, like, if it's that case, like, I understand.
01:34:43.220
But also there's a level of just respecting a human as a human.
01:35:04.420
Like, you're trying to obfuscate a little bit away from the conversation at hand.
01:35:08.760
So do you think it's, because you're referencing, well, we should show these people respect.
01:35:12.740
Okay, has anything I've just said demonstrated a lack of respect for transgender people?
01:35:19.800
Like, I think you're not calling them a woman is disrespectful, in my opinion.
01:35:24.620
In my, I think, if a, like, okay, maybe that's the thing.
01:35:27.600
Like, a woman, like, down to the biology of it, like, obviously inside they're not, like, and I understand that.
01:35:36.240
It's not, because I feel like it's transphobic.
01:35:42.300
No, because you don't, you're, you, like, are against them.
01:35:46.200
How am I, what have I said that's against them?
01:35:49.240
I'm saying, like, do you, would, if someone was sitting at the table, would you call them
01:35:52.840
a man instead of, like, would you say sir or call them their other name or would you
01:36:01.000
It's not about, like, at the end of the day, yes.
01:36:02.940
I would use their, I honestly, I would just use their name.
01:36:06.140
I would use their name, but if they were to ask me, hey, Brian, what do you think my
01:36:16.300
I would not lie to them on that if they overtly asked me that question, but to at least the
01:36:21.800
extent to which I'm prepared to extend politeness would be to use, I'll use their female name.
01:36:30.360
So if they change their name to Becky, I'll go ahead and call them Becky.
01:36:34.480
I'm not going to use their, like, they legally change their name or whatever.
01:36:37.580
I'll use that name, but I'm not going to ever say that that's a she when it's a male.
01:36:53.340
To be clear, I would specifically avoid having to use pronouns, and I would just say, instead
01:36:59.180
of saying she wants that, I would say Becky wants that.
01:37:02.620
That's the level of respect I'm willing to give.
01:37:07.160
But now you're asking me to change my worldview to accommodate what, in my perspective, is a
01:37:16.080
I'm not even, like, it doesn't mean it is, like, I feel like it is a mental thing, too.
01:37:20.240
Like, but it's a study thing that, like, it's like, there's so many cases of it that it's
01:37:30.340
And it's a really documented thing, just because, hold on, and it's documented.
01:37:34.640
It's really well documented, and there's treatment for schizophrenia.
01:37:37.720
We don't affirm schizophrenics in their delusional beliefs.
01:37:43.520
So you think, because, so schizophrenia is one thing, but, like, just because a person
01:37:47.240
wants to be, like, that's, they feel so uncomfortable.
01:37:49.740
And then, what if, like, you say it's a mental illness, right?
01:37:52.240
And to fix this mental illness, to make them feel better, they want to wear girl clothes
01:37:59.200
Why can't, like, if that's their antidote and their depression medication to them.
01:38:06.320
I'm not proposing laws that should ban, like, as a man, if you want to wear a dress,
01:38:14.920
I'm not proposing laws to prevent men from wearing dresses.
01:38:19.400
However, at what point do I need to participate in your delusion?
01:38:29.380
I guess, the other thing, I don't want to admit.
01:38:41.060
But I'm saying I think they deserve to be, I think that is respectful in that if they
01:38:45.740
think they're a woman and they want to say that they're she, I'm going to respect that.
01:38:51.400
But I think everyone deserves respect and to live their life how they want.
01:38:54.360
So we can have a separate conversation about, like, sort of generalized trans acceptance.
01:38:59.080
But I want to bring it back to the original thing, which was dating, right?
01:39:04.360
Do you think that transgender people should disclose?
01:39:07.800
I think if they're going to be in a full-on relationship, especially if they don't have,
01:39:15.620
But I don't think if they're just starting to talk to someone, like, they don't need to
01:39:18.660
But if they're going to be in a relationship, yeah, they need to.
01:39:21.700
Same thing, I don't think it's transphobic not to date a transgender woman.
01:39:24.480
I think it's, same thing, I don't think it's fatphobic to not want to date a fat person.
01:39:30.160
It doesn't mean you're a horrible person because of it or whatever.
01:39:32.240
Like, that's what I'm saying, there's a respect level.
01:39:35.340
Like, you can have your own opinions and respect people at the same time.
01:39:43.500
A woman is, like, a woman is someone who was born with a cooter, I guess.
01:39:47.980
But I'm saying if they want to, I'm going to respect that.
01:39:51.780
There's a definition and there's also a respect level.
01:39:59.240
I always have said, that's what I'm saying, I always, like, even if I respect them, like,
01:40:03.200
I'm not going to pretend, like, obviously they were born that way.
01:40:07.940
But I'm not going to, like, I just respect everyone and what they want to do.
01:40:11.740
And also because I have friends who, like, are that and, like, who have transitioned during
01:40:15.180
school, like, literally came back after winter break completely different.
01:40:18.900
And it was, like, and it was when we were in middle school.
01:40:25.100
Like, I'm not for the kids transitioning, kids learning at that age, people being able
01:40:31.140
Like, after you're a certain age, like, 18 or whatever, like, you can physically do
01:40:38.920
Like, you're not going to let, I just don't think that's ridiculous.
01:40:41.300
Do you think, do you think, what about puberty blockers?
01:40:51.220
And they need to take puberty blockers prior to starting puberty.
01:40:58.160
They claim it is so that they, like, in furtherance of putting kids on puberty blockers.
01:41:03.760
But it's, puberty is absolutely not reversible.
01:41:06.640
Because I feel like a lot of the things, like, you know, same thing, like, you don't learn
01:41:11.540
I think the people who are transgender, like, they do know it younger, too.
01:41:15.240
But I feel like you need to experience lots of things in life to fully know what you want.
01:41:18.960
Like, some trans people don't want this operation or this operation.
01:41:24.920
But you do realize that the transgender ideology and movement is making a massive push for,
01:41:32.980
For allowing, and this is really the only time you can take puberty blockers.
01:41:37.740
So these people saying, well, you can make that decision when you're 18.
01:41:40.520
I mean, you've already pretty much gone through most of puberty or all of puberty.
01:41:44.920
So puberty blockers are typically for, I don't know the exact age when typically they get started.
01:42:01.460
Well, that, I mean, you're kind of in contravention of the mainstream.
01:42:08.320
You're in contravention of the mainstream gender ideology talking points as it relates
01:42:17.620
Like, this is something that they're genuinely...
01:42:22.020
It's mainstream transgender stuff letting kids take puberty blockers.
01:42:27.460
You can agree with some and not agree with others.
01:42:35.300
You're against, like, mainstream gender-affirming care.
01:42:45.040
So if my kid wants to wear a freaking skirt, like, I'm not going to be upset.
01:42:52.860
Like, if you want to present yourself feminine, I'm not going to tell my kid that's...
01:42:57.240
Whatever they want to do, I'm going to let them do that.
01:42:58.840
If they want to change something about their physical selves when they're a child, like,
01:43:04.320
puberty blockers, surgeries, none of that, to me, is okay.
01:43:07.600
I think once you're an adult, or once you're, like, old enough, or, like, they were in therapy
01:43:11.260
for years and years and years, and then, like, doctors were...
01:43:14.560
Like, if they were younger and were saying it since they were younger, like, they need
01:43:18.260
to have, like, a therapist to talk to, and they, like, realize that their entire life
01:43:21.900
they felt that way, then they could do some type of surgery, but...
01:43:25.680
You said you're not cool with the puberty blockers, but if you wanted to socially transition,
01:43:32.500
so they wanted to dress up, like, say you had a son, wanted to dress up like a girl, how
01:43:41.160
Yeah, I would make sure, like, yeah, I mean, I feel like you should talk to them, they should
01:43:46.760
Yes, I think if your kid wants to transition, like, you should...
01:43:51.460
The kid just goes, hey, mommy, um, I, I think I'm a girl, I want to wear a dress.
01:43:58.020
Do they go to the therapist first, or do you just let them...
01:44:00.140
No, I would probably talk to them, and no, I would not let them dress like that right
01:44:04.320
away, it would have to be an on, like, going thing, like, every day they're asking me,
01:44:07.920
hey, I want to wear this, I want to wear this, I want to wear...
01:44:09.920
Then I would let them, if that's going to make them happy, but I'm not going to be like,
01:44:12.800
oh, you want to wear a skirt, you're allowed to wear a skirt.
01:44:14.520
No, if they want to, and they're coming to me and crying to me, like, I want to, like,
01:44:17.920
I'm not going to tell my kid they can't dye their hair, or do something, because...
01:44:22.400
No, I'm saying, my, as a, what I'm worried about is if my kid's a good person, not if
01:44:28.240
Yeah, but as a parent, you still have that authority over your children to be like...
01:44:32.780
Okay, that's fine, fine, you can let your 13-year-old dye their hair, that's fine.
01:44:37.120
Okay, but you're going to send them to therapy.
01:44:41.200
Are you going to, see, I, okay, I think you would just...
01:44:44.660
Yeah, yeah, that's fine, but I guess the issue is, they're going to go to a therapist
01:44:48.480
who's been indoctrinated in this sort of thought, and then the therapist is going to affirm their
01:44:55.460
identity as a trans child, and of course the therapist is going to be like, well, I think
01:45:01.880
Sometimes kids are just, have a phase, or they're confused.
01:45:05.200
I don't, honestly, if I was a parent, who knows, maybe your kid ends up this way, you
01:45:12.060
can wait to do anything until you're 18, but until then, no, you're not going to do
01:45:19.880
Yeah, I'm talking about, like, if they were coming to me for multiple years, and it got
01:45:23.140
to a point that I felt like I wasn't educated enough to be able to talk to them about...
01:45:27.240
This is why you've got to homeschool your kids, I think.
01:45:30.720
I'm just saying what I would do, like, I wouldn't...
01:45:32.340
You're just going to get indoctrinated at the public schools in California.
01:45:34.800
Yeah, I think it's ridiculous what's happening in the schools right now, like, they're literally,
01:45:37.020
like, making kids feel like that's what they are.
01:45:39.540
Like, they're, like, you know, a kid goes to a teacher and is, like, I'm transgender.
01:45:46.640
There's points of it that are just too far, and they've taken it too far.
01:45:51.540
Because it does seem sometimes this manifests out of, like, a social component where they
01:46:00.880
see something or they hear something, and then it sparks, like, an idea in their head.
01:46:05.740
I think a lot of people have the experience, many people who don't even end up being transgender
01:46:11.320
or anything, really, when they're older, have an experience of feeling uncomfortable
01:46:14.820
in their bodies when they're younger, especially when they're going through puberty.
01:46:19.120
There's all sorts of discomforts, and going to school is kind of weird, and, you know,
01:46:23.360
how to navigate friends, and, you know, you're starting to kind of get into dating and this
01:46:28.980
And then, ultimately, though, you have these feelings, and then oftentimes they pass, but
01:46:35.740
if you get going down the pipeline, you're potentially going to end up somewhere with
01:46:40.500
a full-fledged set of beliefs that were kind of implanted in you by authority figures at
01:46:46.200
the school, potentially parents who are not really aware of some of the things that are
01:46:57.820
It's like, at that point, I think you're missed.
01:46:59.360
Like, it would be, I would be talking to them first, telling them, like, no, like, this
01:47:03.360
is what, and then if they came, if, yes, if they came, if they came to me from school and
01:47:06.920
said, mommy, I'm a girl, I'm not going to say you are a girl, like, because they're
01:47:11.460
But if they were coming to me every single day, crying to me, couldn't go to sleep, like,
01:47:15.620
if that's who they felt, then I'd be like, okay, this is a little bit more serious.
01:47:18.300
I would talk, like, talk to them more, and then if they got to a point where I felt like
01:47:22.520
I needed help, like, I would go, and even I would go to maybe a family therapist, like,
01:47:25.660
where I'm sitting in there with them, talking to them, like, maybe get them actual help
01:47:28.620
to, like, either talk to them and, like, be like, why do you feel this way?
01:47:31.180
Not that you feel this way and you need to be this way.
01:47:37.520
Instead of, like, shaming them for this feeling, it's more like putting that feeling to the side
01:47:41.600
and making sure that they, like, just feel loved and that they're, like, it's okay.
01:47:45.420
Like, but if they're saying that they want to wear pink shoes, that's a different thing.
01:47:49.160
Like, it's one thing to present yourself more feminine and wanting to be actually a female,
01:48:01.800
Actually, you know, the other thing I think is the kids that used to be goth, they're the
01:48:09.140
I think part of it, look, there's genuinely trans people or whatever.
01:48:11.920
I think there's just people who, throughout, like, there's different time periods where
01:48:16.740
people participate in subcultures and these sorts of things.
01:48:21.440
And, like, the trans thing, that's, like, the new subculture.
01:48:24.940
Like, the goth kids from 20 years ago in the early 2000s and the late 90s, they would have
01:48:34.240
Like, it's just, there's always going to be, like, a cohort of kids that are just, like,
01:48:42.640
Well, I think it has a lot to do with environment.
01:48:47.120
Because if you go small town, you're most likely not going to have these, you know,
01:48:52.900
issues with school systems and having been programmed in an environment like that.
01:48:59.960
So, again, this is, like, you can put someone in an environment and that is going to shift
01:49:08.360
So, you have to look at the environment where they're at.
01:49:12.820
Was there any other disagreement that you had besides the trans thing?
01:49:20.080
Honestly, even then, I didn't even really disagree with you.
01:49:23.420
It was just, like, I feel like I'm more tolerant of it.
01:49:25.480
Because if someone tells me their pronouns, I'm going to respect it, whether I agree or not.
01:49:34.840
Like, I don't want to be disrespectful and, like, make them go home and be like, oh, that
01:49:43.720
If I saw some dude holding hands, walking down the street with clearly a trans woman,
01:49:52.460
like, fucking broader shoulders than me, fucking Adam's apple, all this shit, I'm not going
01:50:03.680
But, like, in my head, I'm like, well, okay, it's a dude and a trans woman.
01:50:13.600
But, like, if I'm having a conversation with somebody, like, two hours later, like, I'm
01:50:17.860
with, you know, I don't know, my friend, be like, yeah, that's not straight.
01:50:22.080
If we were, we probably wouldn't even talk about it.
01:50:24.720
But if we're looking at it from a bird's eye view level of, like, okay, let's just have
01:50:34.960
But I'm not, like, chasing down trans people in the street.
01:50:38.200
Like, your fucking pronouns are definitely, like, no, I don't give a shit.
01:50:44.720
But, like, if we're sitting here at a table having the discussion, yeah, I'll tell you
01:50:51.760
I just don't see how it could ever be straight.
01:50:59.600
If you somehow saw, I don't know, somebody left their apartment window open and you saw
01:51:10.920
There were two penises and one of them was sucking the other penises.
01:51:15.860
You would assume that that's, would you say that that was gay?
01:51:21.220
But then, after you see that and you've made a determination, like, whoa, that's definitely
01:51:33.560
Do you now revise your assessment of what you just saw and categorize it as a heterosexual
01:51:48.640
Chair, two out of 2.5, you're suggesting it's good to proliferate and normalize this ideology
01:51:54.180
while complaining about the direct effects on children caused by the ideology.
01:51:58.160
You're reducing children's expected lifespans for, quote, tolerance, acceptance, and happiness.
01:52:08.060
Yeah, that's why I would make sure that my kid is put in the right direction.
01:52:12.140
And I think that I'm just trying to make sure they're happy.
01:52:17.000
I think saying yes that they're a man or woman right when they come, that's wrong.
01:52:21.820
I think trying to take care of the problems, what you should do as a parent, and do whatever
01:52:32.220
In your opinion, how do you think that the experiencing trauma in any aspect can and does
01:52:38.720
What types of traumatic events would correlate with this?
01:52:47.360
I feel like if you have a traumatic S.A. as a child, sometimes that in turn will, say
01:52:56.020
if you're a guy and you have a traumatic experience with another guy when you're a child, I feel
01:53:03.040
like sometimes guys will either go with other guys when they're older and have kinks with
01:53:10.440
other guys sometimes because they're turned on by that because they experienced that when
01:53:23.320
Yeah, because they experienced that when they were a kid.
01:53:27.260
I've noticed that more with just from anecdotal evidence, like sexual aversions, not so much
01:53:33.700
kinks, but being deterred away from certain things because of experiences you've had in
01:53:37.580
your childhood or your formative years, I guess.
01:53:48.920
Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten.
01:53:57.720
Since you said it was stupid, you get to go first.
01:54:01.740
I'm not partaking because I think this segment's stupid.
01:54:26.560
I was going to say, like, right now, like an eight.
01:54:43.240
Well, uh, there's, we have two very confident, oh, sorry, I'm a five.
01:54:47.780
Uh, we have two very confident women at the table here.
01:55:17.160
No, I know, babe, but, like, you have to ask, you answer the question, and then you
01:55:19.540
have to think about it and be like, I'm a four.
01:55:23.420
My car right over here, I was like, let me think real hard.
01:55:28.380
Um, I just feel like we should also just respect their confidence.
01:55:39.040
Yeah, but I feel like it also just depends in the moment, like, what you're wearing, how
01:55:55.160
And maybe, maybe you're, like, looking real good on this show based off what you say.
01:56:03.320
Um, I just feel like, like Ellie had said, it's completely based off the day and your,
01:56:10.960
how you're dressed, whether you've done your makeup or not.
01:56:13.720
Like, honestly, if, like, when I'm going to bed, like, if I take off my lashes and all
01:56:21.920
I would be like, okay, well, this is, yes, this is my natural beauty, but this is not,
01:56:37.200
But right now you said you, you feel like a six.
01:56:41.880
Like, if you had more time, I guess, to put on makeup or do you have fake lashes right
01:56:50.180
Is there, like, anything you could do in 30 minutes to up, up it a little bit?
01:56:56.380
Like, I kind of ran over here and I only did, like, blush and concealer and it's, but
01:57:01.640
if I were to do a full face, I probably would feel a lot better confidence wise.
01:57:07.260
Um, so to the two 10s at the table, here's what I'd like.
01:57:12.860
Can you tell me a woman who's like a celebrity who you think is a 10?
01:57:22.460
We'll start with you since you like to take forever to get to the point.
01:57:25.800
Uh, just tell us a female celebrity who you think is a 10.
01:57:35.280
When she was in the Transformers movies or something.
01:57:53.820
The entailment of your position is, you guys are prepared to say that you're just as attractive
01:58:26.540
Like, you were saying, oh, if you're a 10, then that means I'm like...
01:58:30.040
If I was going after you, that means I'm like sacrificing or whatever.
01:58:44.560
I rated you like a 6 last time, but that's because you rate everyone else.
01:59:01.700
Like, I'm not saying that I'm as attractive as me.
01:59:05.280
I don't think women should put a number on their attractiveness.
01:59:08.300
But then, I guess the logical conclusion of you're a 10, I'm a 6, from your perspective
01:59:24.660
I get that there's other components to what makes somebody attractive in totality.
01:59:31.540
But just on the looks component, the looks paradigm, that is sort of your position, essentially,
01:59:37.120
is that at least looks-wise, you would be settling for me.
01:59:40.620
Like I said last time, I said I was a 10 just to piss off them, because it's funny, a fat
01:59:52.100
Okay, I think if you're in a room with your guy friends, and you're like, oh, that girl
02:00:00.700
Like, if they asked you how attractive were they, you're going to be like, oh, they were
02:00:04.540
I'm saying in this format, like making women have to, like, think of what they are, I
02:00:11.720
I'm saying I don't like it, so that's why I say I'm a 10, because I want to opt out of the
02:00:14.580
conversation, because I don't like a woman having to think and put a number on their
02:00:20.480
But I think it's okay to use a rating system if you're, like, a modeling agent trying to
02:00:27.920
I mean, well, so it's a dating podcast, so there is a reason why this is asked.
02:00:31.180
And it actually has really practical applications when it comes to dating.
02:00:36.340
So if you're moving through the dating world with a sort of, let's say...
02:00:42.740
I'll just say delusional perspective on your own attractiveness and your own self-assessment.
02:00:51.340
Although I would argue the confident position would just be, like, being able to make a reasonable
02:00:57.300
self-determination as to where you stand in comparison to other people.
02:01:01.620
So I think that's actually more confident than just being, like, yeah, I'm, like...
02:01:09.520
I think it's confident to, like, be able to be realistic as well.
02:01:14.780
When we go around the table, it makes me sad when a girl, like, has to be, like, I'm a...
02:01:23.480
Like, having a woman have to be, like, wow, in this life, I'm a four.
02:01:33.380
Because it's live, and they're, like, worried what they're going to say.
02:01:36.440
They're going to obviously say I'm lower than what they feel.
02:01:42.320
Every time I'm watching the show, these girls...
02:01:44.040
I think women tend to overrate themselves on the show.
02:01:53.260
Are you saying if they don't give themselves a 10, they're underrating themselves?
02:02:00.640
Well, because you're saying all these girls underrate themselves.
02:02:02.840
But are you saying if the girl doesn't just immediately knee-jerk give herself a 10, are
02:02:08.140
you saying that that would be underrating herself?
02:02:11.480
Like, if we're talking realistic, it's like not everyone's a 10.
02:02:14.600
But, like, you're allowed to think you're a 10.
02:02:16.440
Like, why don't you want a girl to think that, like, about themselves?
02:02:18.780
Like, that's what pisses me off more is, like, if a girl thinks they're a 10, I'm not
02:02:24.800
If they're even DeLulu, if you're DeLulu and you're a 10, and when you're a 1, go off
02:02:30.900
Like, a woman is allowed to feel however the fuck they want.
02:02:33.580
And I think in the dating space, even if they think that, like, who cares?
02:02:44.080
I suppose, yes, anybody can think anything, right?
02:02:47.240
But I can tell you the negative manifestations, since we're talking about manifestation.
02:03:03.600
Okay, Zac Efron, can you give me a guy who's a 10?
02:03:26.360
Isn't he the most followed person on Instagram or something?
02:03:29.400
Super famous, top-tier soccer player, status, rich, all this stuff.
02:03:35.980
Do you think, you know, he's a 10, you're a 10.
02:03:55.600
So, just to be clear, Cristiano Ronaldo, who meets your criteria for what a 10 is, what about him do you dislike?
02:04:38.040
Whatever the determinations are for what you want in a guy.
02:04:46.320
I mean, that's, it's a really hard question, just because I don't know him.
02:04:57.080
Let's assume you were able to meet him, though.
02:04:59.280
And I got to like him and his personality, and it's someone that I think I would, could
02:05:09.360
So, let's assume it's caked into the, baked into the hypothetical, that you're attracted
02:05:16.020
to him, and the other components are there for, the other criteria is there for what it
02:05:27.400
The question is, then, do you think, assuming you wanted him, that you could get him?
02:05:58.380
I think that's an unrealistic question to ask me if I could get someone.
02:06:04.680
Yeah, but without, you're asking a question that I don't, we don't know each other.
02:06:09.020
If I, if I, you're, you're asking solely based on what I see from a physical perspective,
02:06:19.960
Here, let's bake this into the hypothetical then, too.
02:06:26.900
Do you think if you slid into his DMs that you could get him?
02:06:31.160
I, no, I wouldn't be that person sliding into his DMs.
02:06:38.680
He was here in Santa Barbara and you ran into him.
02:06:45.920
Again, if, if I could get to know this guy, maybe.
02:06:56.780
You're asking a question that I feel is it takes time to get to know someone.
02:07:02.400
It's baked in that he meets your other criteria for personality.
02:07:16.900
Isn't that, I mean, this would also depend on if he has reciprocal feelings towards me.
02:07:32.840
Do you think he would have those reciprocal feelings?
02:07:35.740
That would, that would be like such a question you would have to ask him.
02:07:39.860
Why would, why would you assume that I would know that?
02:07:49.980
Right, but I'm asking you a specific hypothetical.
02:08:31.180
So, I guess the, the reason why I say it does have this impact is,
02:08:37.300
you're going to be chasing after a certain caliber of guy if you can't make a self-assessment about your own position.
02:08:49.180
So, essentially, and this is where, because as a guy, I could be delusional, but I get slapped in the face immediately.
02:08:58.160
Now, not literally, but I get slapped in the face with reality.
02:09:01.720
So, the difference is, if I step to a girl outside of my league, and I'm assuming I'm pleasant, and I make myself sexually available to her, instant rejection.
02:09:17.740
A woman who's outside of my league doesn't entertain me for anything.
02:09:29.160
I don't get strung along for a couple weeks or months in a situationship where she's just using me for sex.
02:09:34.760
This doesn't happen, even if I'm pleasant and making myself sexually available to her.
02:09:40.280
Women, on the other hand, you can be pleasant and make yourself sexually available to a man outside of your league,
02:09:50.400
and he will absolutely keep you around for sex.
02:09:59.120
You're not going to get commitment, so it could just be a one-night stand.
02:10:05.240
It could be a friends with benefits, maybe a couple weeks, a couple months.
02:10:16.180
So, when women have not made a determination of where they stand when it comes to dating,
02:10:22.260
they're going to think, oh, I deserve this caliber of guy.
02:10:26.400
And that caliber of guy will give you short-term sex or short-term something.
02:10:33.260
But if what you want is commitment, you're not going to get it.
02:10:37.780
And then, all the while, you're going to be looking at guys who are actually on your level,
02:10:42.900
and you've now, you've been used to a certain caliber of guy.
02:10:46.740
The guy who's on your level, who you should be matching up with,
02:10:50.540
who, that's the guy who's willing to give you commitment because you're on his level.
02:10:56.400
You're going to think that that guy's below you.
02:11:01.860
You're going to ignore the guy who's actually going to give you a relationship.
02:11:05.260
You're going to keep chasing after these super attractive guys.
02:11:18.240
You're going to be chasing after these dudes who won't give you commitment.
02:11:21.360
So, that's why it's important to know where you stand because it's really easy for y'all to go and fuck the hot fuckboy guy.
02:11:34.020
And then, you're going to curve the guys who are actually on your league, in your level.
02:11:47.520
If I can sleep with a girl, I have a really high confidence level.
02:11:58.200
Any girl that I can sleep with, I can get her into a relationship.
02:12:02.400
How confident are you that the guys that you can sleep with want a relationship with you?
02:12:09.640
Well, I think asking me and asking a skinny person is a little bit different because in the fat world, like, I am a higher caliber fat girl.
02:12:24.520
Because in that world, like, there is people who...
02:12:27.340
Fat people who don't take care of themselves and don't do so, obviously.
02:12:29.540
Like, in that world, like, I'm dating people who are really attractive.
02:12:35.120
Like, you say that it shouldn't be accessible to me, but it is.
02:12:38.120
Like, am I not supposed to date the hot person just because you don't think I'm, like, a 10?
02:12:42.860
I mean, if you can get commitment, then go for it.
02:12:50.400
You're saying commitment is, like, a ring on the finger, not, like, dating, holding my hand in public kind of stuff?
02:12:54.640
I mean, it could be an exclusive boyfriend-girlfriend situation.
02:12:57.800
The ultimate commitment would be marriage or some other form of, you know, similar sort of commitment.
02:13:03.400
Yeah, I mean, I think it's just that view is a little, I don't know, outreached.
02:13:12.720
If someone thinks I'm hot and they're a 10, like, who cares?
02:13:18.480
Like, there's people who are different attractive levels that date.
02:13:23.320
Like, it's okay to date someone who's not as attractive to you.
02:13:25.900
And I don't think that, like, skews your view on, like, your self-worth.
02:13:29.860
Like, I know, like, if I had to tell someone what my number was, I could realistically say that because I'm also, like, not stupid.
02:13:36.700
But I don't think me feeling like I'm a 10 also makes me not be able to, like, realize that this is my league or whatever.
02:13:43.200
Like, I think you're allowed to date out your league, too.
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Like, if you want the hot Victoria's Secret model, why can't you want that?
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Okay, you genuinely don't think it would skew men's perspective if this dynamic was flipped.
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So, for example, let's say it was the case that average-looking men, average guys, could fuck top-tier women.
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But those top-tier women only wanted those average guys for sex.
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And then those average women were kind of getting pushed out of dating, like, the marketplace a little bit.
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The average women, because the average men, on their level, were dating up and just...
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They were getting their sexual needs and they were chasing these really attractive women.
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For example, if I or other guys or frat guys at UCSB could just run through fucking beautiful model-tier women,
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why would they ever get into a relationship with an average girl?
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Like, I don't think they need to think of, like, oh, this is messing up the women's dating and the men's dating.
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Like, you're allowed to date whoever you want without it being, like, a statistic.
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So, the reverse of what I just explained is happening.
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You have women, typically average women or above average women, who do have access to the most attractive men.
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And those men are typically, like, just running through girls.
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They're dating, like, 10 different women at the same time.
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But they're just dating all the other attractive guys also.
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So, you have, like, a cohort of men who are zeroed out when it comes to dating a little bit.
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And so, if it was the case that you had average, like, we flipped the roles, average men.
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Imagine from the age of 18 to 30, average-looking dudes refused to commit to women and have relationships because they were out-fucking models.
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They just wanted to fuck the guys a couple times.
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So, it's like, okay, you would agree, though, if average dudes could just fuck a bunch of hot women but they could never get commitment from them, you would agree that these guys would be far less inclined to, like, go ahead and get into a relationship with, like, their looks equivalent?
02:16:18.780
No, because I think people, like, even women have, like, times in college that they're, you know, having fun and doing stuff with people out of their league, in their league, whatever.
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And then, at one point, the person that they marry is usually, like, someone around their, like, common interest or common whatever.
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Like, who cares if someone's fucking someone is a 10 and they're a 5?
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Like, I just don't care, and I don't think it's affecting everything else.
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So, have you ever dated a guy and then he did not measure up to a previous guy you done dealt with?
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And did that have an impact on that relationship?
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Like, I just don't think that that's what I'm saying.
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Like, I don't, if I'm dating a hot person, it doesn't mean I'm not.
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Like, I don't care if they don't have a freaking left arm.
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Well, you've been hogging the mic a little bit.
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Well, no, this was a generalized question for the panel.
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The hottest guys, I feel like, though, they, you're, you don't want those guys as a long
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term because they're the most, they're the ones that tend to have the most trauma and
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And that's why they end up with other people that are in the same, other women that are in
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Is that your opinion or like, is that a statistic that hot guys have trauma and baggage?
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It's been my, it's been my personal experience.
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So the hotter they are, the more baggage they bring to the table.
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But at some point, yeah, the average man will go look for the average woman because he doesn't
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want to deal with the hot girls bullshit because that's, they're, they're just average guys
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Isn't one night stand you never talked to him again?
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So anyways, here's, here's, I look, I know some of you haven't, but here's the difference
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is as a woman, if you are inclined towards having a one night stand, if you're
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If you are going to break your rules and you are going to be like, yeah, well, I kind
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of prefer like something a bit more serious, but, oh, he's really hot.
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If you are going to have a hookup, he better at least be really hot.
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Men, if we're just having a hookup, men just want to, I mean, obviously you want to get
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the best, the hottest you can get, but men will go down in order to get said hookup.
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Whereas women will be way more selective when it comes to who they're going to hook up with.
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Where like men, like average women, average men are not like just constantly able to get
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Uh, like what, like, I don't know, maybe like 60%.
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Like my sense of, I can find a lot of things funny.
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The only thing I don't find funny are like overly like racist jokes or overly like homophobic
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jokes, which I feel like a lot of men rely on for their humor.
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So men aren't funny because they're just doing homophobic jokes.
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Is that, well, if they, if that's all they rely on, then yeah, that's not funny.
02:20:55.360
Then if you're saying that they all rely on like, I didn't say they all do.
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I said like, if you do rely on that, you're not funny, but I do feel like a lot of men
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I thought you said if they're funny, they can have sex with hot women.
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I said, if you're funny and nice, you have more of a chance than if you're not funny
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But if you're funny and nice, you don't necessarily have to be hot.
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How much of an edge does that give them if they're funny and nice?
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If they make you laugh, you have your eyes closed.
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Like I don't really like guys that are overly attractive.
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So I'm just wondering, do you guys only go for guys that are like, oh my God, he's so hot?
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Like if you're funny and nice, you don't necessarily have to be overly attractive just
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I feel like men, you have to be attractive to them in some capacity.
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Just because he'll dick you down doesn't mean he'll wife you up.
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Just because he'll dick you down doesn't mean he'll wife you up.
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It's like attractive men, they're going to sleep with women who they don't find commitment
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So to be clear, attractive men, they will sleep with women who they don't find commitment
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So I think as women, for you guys, in order to sleep with a guy, he needs to be at least
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attractive enough for you to be in a relationship with him.
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Like, are you saying, like, if you're sleeping with a guy and you think you're going to be,
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like, committed to him in a relationship or, like, dating material?
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So for my position is, for a one-night stand, women are going to overly prioritize looks,
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Oh, he's such a catch, but I'm only going to fuck him once.
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So when it comes to one-night stands, women will prioritize looks.
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But my belief is, in order for a girl to sleep with a guy, he has to be good-looking
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enough for her to be in a relationship with him.
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But men will sleep with women that they aren't attracted enough to to be in a relationship
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This, well, my point would be it ties into the looks rating thing because men are prepared
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to give you some limited access to them, typically in the form of, like, short-term casual sexual
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encounters, but they will never give you commitment just on the sole basis of how you look.
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They'll be like, eh, I'll have sex with her, but she's not good-looking enough to be in
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Whereas for women, it's, they're like, it's, it's the reverse.
02:24:28.000
Like, what, like, if, like, like, why is it a problem, like, that they want to only hook
02:24:33.760
up with people that they would find dateable, like, because a man will fuck anything, you
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No, I'm not saying that, that, hold on, I'm not saying whether that's good or bad.
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I'm just pointing out that this is how men operate.
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So, don't get, like, a lot of y'all will confuse sexual, uh, sexual attraction for romantic
02:25:07.100
So, you'll get it, you'll get it confused, just because, to be clear, just because a
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guy wants to fuck you means nothing in terms of him wanting a relationship with you.
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And look, I think it's wrong for guys to do this.
02:25:19.480
Me, personally, my, my perspective is, uh, if you want to sleep with a girl, you should
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have an intention of something long-term there.
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Like, I don't want to just sleep with a girl once, and that's it, and never see her again.
02:25:33.780
But a lot of men don't move, I don't know if it's a lot, but enough men move in such a
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way that they might even lie about their long-term intentions to get you into bed.
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The guy's like, yeah, I want a relationship with you.
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He fucks you once and never talks to you again.
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I feel like it says more about the man than the woman, like, dating, like, talking to
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Right, well, I agree it's wrong to mislead somebody about your long-term intentions in
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But, you gotta be realistic as women when you approach this.
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But you gotta realize that that is how some men move.
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Or, a lot of guys might also be upfront with it, too.
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And you might just be like, well, he's hot, whatever, he'll change his mind.
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And you'll get caught up in some situation where you want commitment, and he doesn't,
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and he told you from the get-go, this is what it is, and you're still like, damn, he's so
02:26:33.920
But, now I'm catching feelings, and now I didn't want something, but now I do want
02:26:42.460
So, basically, this whole segment is just to warn us.
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To, like, put a warning out, don't date the hot men, because they're not gonna want to
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And, I mean, the other component is, it's like, once you're, once you've had a taste
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of a certain caliber of, and this could go both ways.
02:27:18.640
All of the women need to share a moment where they read something on a dating app that was
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funny enough for them to talk to a less attractive male.
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I'm just gonna kind of throw this out there, and you guys can also, like, jump in.
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On the topic of looks, since this whole conversation started based off rating our looks, what would
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Like, what would you consider is hot and is not hot?
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Because I feel like a lot of people have different opinions, and everyone has a certain type,
02:28:01.260
and I feel like that is also based around what, you know, our decision of whether, yeah,
02:28:07.880
I'm gonna have sex with him, or no, he's not really, like, you know, the one that I would
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be interested having sex with or having a relationship with.
02:28:24.280
Well, it goes both ways through women and men, so I feel like this goes for the entire panel
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Let me let this other one play, and then I'll come into it on that.
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That actually was not, it was not intentional, to be honest.
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Oh my god, boys, can you see the fire in the background?
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Rain or shine, tsunami, or catastrophic fire, I will bring, the show must go on, I bring
02:29:13.760
So okay, the question is, like, what is beauty?
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Or what would you consider is conventionally attractive?
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Because I feel like, especially in this day and age, a lot of people have different
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opinions, and attractiveness is one of those main topics of what you decide you want to
02:29:34.960
further pursue in life, like, romantically-wise, not necessarily, like, career or anything.
02:29:42.220
So yeah, I just wanted to open that up to the panel.
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Well, I learned, like, for women, beauty is hip-to-waist, or yeah, hip-to-waist ratio.
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You need, like, a thin, like, smaller waist than your hips.
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I forget the number, but yeah, there's, like, a math.
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Basically, fertility is beauty, biologically speaking.
02:30:15.720
Personally, I like men that can't dress and have bad hair and are kind of overweight.
02:30:22.320
I don't like the, like, buff, blonde guy type thing, no.
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You know, when they're, like, hot to you, but they're kind of ugly.
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The way they're dressed, their hair, it's all messed up.
02:31:12.200
Well, I mean, to your point, I do think that there are certain traits.
02:31:17.720
I think that typically refers to facial symmetry.
02:31:20.280
Although I guess your body could be all fucking weird or something.
02:31:25.360
But, like, health indicators, proportionality, these are consistently preferred across cultures.
02:31:32.420
So, you know, there are certain, like, different beauty standards across cultures, but they still, like, symmetry, health indicators, proportionality, these are still observed cross-culturally.
02:31:44.940
In the same way that, like, what about a sunset or a flower is universally seen as beautiful?
02:31:54.980
Even before there was, you know, communication between different cultures, like, okay, this culture over here, flowers were beautiful.
02:32:03.920
This culture over here, flowers were beautiful.
02:32:05.480
That does point to there being a sort of innate human response to visual harmony and a universal component of beauty.
02:32:22.100
It's not strictly subjective, but it is, like, it's not objective in a philosophical sense.
02:32:41.280
Well, it also, I kind of want to extend it to male attractiveness as well.
02:32:47.260
And I kind of want to hear your opinion on it, just because you are a male yourself.
02:32:51.320
I'm not asking you, like, oh, like, do you think other men are hot?
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Just, like, as in itself, just kind of one of those, oh, well, you know, most women would prefer taller men, taller, skinnier men.
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Or, like, whether facial hair is attractive or not, all of that.
02:33:13.460
I mean, I'd say, generally speaking, women have a preference for men who are tall, taller men.
02:33:18.640
Uh, can you guys not be whispering back there, please?
02:33:36.200
I'd say, typically, uh, women prefer more masculine features in the face, although there is, you know, there's some discrepancy on this.
02:33:46.820
Like, certain more feminine facial features can be deemed attractive by women.
02:33:52.020
Um, so, typically, like, more, uh, like, sharper features on men tend to be deemed more physically attractive.
02:34:00.260
This is actually funny, I don't know if you guys know about buccal fat removal.
02:34:05.160
So, women project, they, they seem to project what they think is attractive even onto women.
02:34:13.560
So, they'll take sort of their female gaze in terms of how they look towards men and apply it to women.
02:34:20.920
So, that's, men actually prefer, like, a more, uh, like, more facial fat.
02:34:27.540
But women seem to prefer, at least in their preference to other women, prefer, like, the slimmer, like, high cheekbone, like, buccal fat removal or whatever the fuck.
02:34:38.520
Uh, but it's, from the male perspective, that makes women look worse when they get the, the fat removal in the face.
02:34:46.980
Um, so, that's kind of an interesting component.
02:34:58.700
But, uh, in terms of what women find attractive in men.
02:35:05.820
I think most women typically prefer, you mentioned beard.
02:35:09.740
I think they actually prefer, generally speaking, clean shaven.
02:35:12.940
I think, or not clean shaven, but they typically prefer against beards.
02:35:18.180
Um, and I think that depends on the age, too, of course.
02:35:21.360
I think older women, as they get a bit older, have a bit more of a preference towards beards.
02:35:27.500
Younger women, stronger preference without beard.
02:35:31.340
Um, I'm trying to think if there's anything else.
02:35:37.600
I mean, I don't know if it's a massive preference.
02:35:39.420
Like, if a guy has blonde hair, I don't know if it's a huge.
02:35:42.380
There is statistics that, oh, yeah, there are statistics, yeah.
02:35:46.880
I mean, I would say also women have a tendency to prefer, uh, physical strength in the physique.
02:36:00.580
But, generally speaking, women have a strong preference for, uh, some degree of muscularity.
02:36:06.360
So, there's definitely a preference just in masculine men overall.
02:36:12.880
Like, a masculine man that still does those masculine things.
02:36:20.580
And I would take a very masculine man who's not as attractive and funny over a super hot guy that is really buff and, you know, physically fit any day.
02:36:41.220
Right, but you would prefer he has that and also be masculine in his demeanor and disposition.
02:36:50.940
But I would take, if, like, a very masculine man showed up that was maybe shorter than what I normally would go for, I would still, I would still entertain him because of his masculinity.
02:37:25.640
Is it just, like, because I feel like me being fat, like, it definitely takes me points down and I understand that.
02:37:42.940
I mean, there's definitely, you know, it has a huge impact on facial attractiveness, too.
02:37:48.180
When you, you know, as you lose weight, face starts to thin out.
02:37:53.960
So, I can't, in my mind's eye, I can't picture it.
02:37:58.040
So, I don't know, come back to me in two years when you're whatever.
02:38:19.160
The other part of the problem is the female friend's gonna gas up.
02:38:31.880
Like, just because I'm fat doesn't mean I'm ugly.
02:38:40.380
But then, like, I think body is incorporated into somebody's looks and appearance.
02:38:45.800
But typically, I think when we say ugly, we are referring more so to facial attractiveness.
02:38:53.700
But, of course, like, somebody who could have, like, a killer face card, if they're, like, really obese, that's gonna impact their facial attractiveness.
02:39:03.780
I mean, some of these fat girls, though, they, it's not really impacting the face that much, but.
02:39:09.000
But, like, what if she's hot, but she's a shitty person?
02:40:10.020
Remember that clip we pulled up the other day on Twitter, Nick?
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If I said that you looked like her, that's a compliment?
02:41:02.360
But she's saying that she thinks I'm a beautiful woman.
02:41:10.980
But this is the difference between how, like, women talk and interact with other women versus how men interact with other men.
02:41:18.340
Like, if, like, I've never had, like, I've gained a bit of weight.
02:41:25.100
None of my male friends are like, wow, Brian, slay a king.
02:41:34.740
I want them to be like, you fucking fat piece of shit.
02:41:51.100
Be like, oh, no, you're perfect the way you are.
02:42:00.700
I feel like it's hurting your friends if you're not telling them the truth.
02:42:03.840
No, I agree if it's in a health way, but what she said right now is not a problem.
02:42:08.340
Like, if she's my real friend and, like, saw, like, how I gained all that weight in the relationship.
02:42:12.200
Like, my friends were like, girl, like, slow it down.
02:42:17.240
And then my friend came to me and was like, hey, health-wise, but if they're like, you're gorgeous, that's not a problem.
02:42:28.740
Like, but you can also detach, like, a man thinking I'm attractive.
02:42:51.240
No, just, you said you get hotter bitches than me.
02:43:03.340
Just because I might not be her type, and that's okay.
02:43:08.540
Honestly, I prefer, like, more masculine women.
02:43:14.280
Not like studs, but, like, I don't know how to explain it.
02:43:19.000
Have you been, have you been with, uh, we'll keep it center for a bit, Nick.
02:43:28.620
Do you like white girls, black girls, Asian girls?
02:43:38.440
Like, tomboy masculine, or what are we talking about?
02:43:41.020
Almost, like, always wore, like, the baggier clothes.
02:43:54.480
I would say, like, my personal type is more athletic.
02:43:57.440
Like, everyone I've dated has probably, like, played sports and, like.
02:44:07.380
Would you, would, are you guys, um, is there, like, tension here?
02:44:14.160
No, it's, like I said the last time, it's okay because I'm not going on hikes and I'm not
02:44:20.920
So, if a girl doesn't want to date me because I'm not, like, matching their physical.
02:44:31.020
I was, like, a roller skater and I don't do that anymore because if you fall when you're
02:44:36.720
If you don't like me because our lifestyles don't match up and you're not, like, if you're
02:44:41.320
going on hikes every day, that makes sense, too.
02:44:42.920
Like, we don't need to, this art is still stupid.
02:44:47.560
What's that thing from the, there's this meme, something about, wait, what's that?
02:44:55.660
Better bitches, better, wait, what, does anybody know what I'm talking about?
02:45:10.180
Better pizza, better bitches, better, my clothes better, my shoes better, something
02:45:16.580
I don't know, you, you, apparently you get more, more bitches than I do.
02:45:24.400
You say you only deal with people that are, like, that, I'm, I, every, I deal with all
02:45:36.860
Like, you know how you said it's hard, like, if you're dating a fat guy.
02:45:46.020
Because I don't have a pee-pee to put in the, you know, it's like all manual.
02:45:58.860
If I'm just hooking with a, like, I hook, I've hooked up with all different types of
02:46:08.860
So, lesbian sex has saved my life, not kidding.
02:46:27.600
Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
02:47:02.240
Assuming you didn't lose any weight, would you be better looking in 10 years?
02:47:11.660
Yeah, well, with the science nowadays, I'm going to have lots of money, too, so I can afford
02:47:21.760
But you said you're going to have lots of money.
02:47:41.120
Because I respect it enough that I feel like I can, like, I don't disrespect religion.
02:47:50.280
I'm just wearing, I got it gifted to me, and I'm wearing it.
02:47:53.700
Because I think if you're against that religion, I don't think you should.
02:48:02.440
Because it's like that red hat with the string and the, you know what I'm talking about?
02:48:25.720
He did wear a fez, I'm pretty sure, in Aladdin.
02:48:41.280
I'm going to give myself like three years to lose all the weight, three years to like
02:48:45.480
get surgeries and all that stuff done, and then we'll be hot as fuck.
02:48:55.720
I was skinny at one point, and I know what I looked like.
02:49:24.800
Honestly, like when I was 19, I did not think I would look better in 10 years, and I think
02:49:35.340
And then were you better looking 10 years ago at 19?
02:49:39.940
I didn't know how to dress or do my makeup, so no, not really.
02:49:48.660
Like, if I'm being honest, I, like, don't go to the gym as much as I could, and I don't
02:49:52.400
But if I, like, fixed all those things, I definitely could be.
02:49:57.520
No, I feel like it probably goes downhill then.
02:50:06.060
I feel like if I kept up everything I'm kind of doing now, I could be.
02:50:31.620
Probably around the same as I would look if I was 39.
02:51:01.320
We're just going to manifest that I look amazing.
02:51:45.080
And then, compared to 10 years ago, were you better looking 10 years ago?
02:51:55.620
Somewhere in your 40s versus somewhere in your 30s?
02:52:00.100
Better looking at some point in your 20s, or better looking now, some point in your 40s?
02:52:30.060
I worked a lot of jobs, and so it was just too stressful.
02:52:33.640
Uh, you're 21, will you be better looking in 10 years time, 31?
02:52:42.060
But, um, no, I will have, like, a lot of nutritionists, and, um, I'll be going to the
02:52:55.120
Felicity, 19, better looking in 10 years time, 29?
02:53:00.900
Well, what we've gone ahead and done is we have put all of you through AI age advancement,
02:53:06.440
and we're going to test and see if you are, in fact, going to look better as all of you
02:53:14.960
But first, before we do that, you know, uh, while the sun is still out, we're going to
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pause just momentarily, uh, because, you know, I don't want to be looking at pictures of old
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people while we have such a fantastic sunset here in the background.
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So, what I'm going to do, I'm going to do a couple reminders.
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We're not going to pull them up, Nick, but I'm just going to remind you guys.
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I kind of just want to leave it center here for a bit to capture the beautiful sunset.
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So, I'm going to get into the show notes, but we will pull up those age advancements
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You said you're particularly passionate about the roles of men versus women in relationships
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I didn't really know what, like, specifically to put there, but I guess it's just, like,
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I wanted to talk about, I guess, the roles of, like, what, like, traditional masculinity
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in relationships versus, like, traditional femininity in relationships, like, women versus
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Like, I personally believe in, like, traditional masculinity.
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Like, I want someone to open the door for me, someone to, like, bring me flowers and do
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And then I am perfectly content doing the traditionally feminine things.
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Like, I guess I would say being more submissive.
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Like, I would stay home and not work if that was offered to me.
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I feel like that's, like, traditionally, like, a woman, like, a traditional women's role.
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Yeah, but a woman could stay home and take care of the household and be an argumentative,
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Well, I don't plan on being an argumentative, quarrelsome bitch.
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To me, I guess, like, so, for example, like, if my husband, like, paid all the bills and
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did everything for me, I would, like, do laundry.
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If he told me he, like, didn't like me doing something, depending on what it is, I would
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Like, I'm not going to marry someone that's going to be, like, overly, like, aggressive about
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Like, if he, like, was, like, I don't like you wearing, like, certain types of dresses.
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But, like, if it was, like, a modest dress, like, if someone told me they didn't like me
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wearing this, I probably would tell them to kick rocks.
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Well, yeah, because I wouldn't want to submit to that.
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Like, I'm picky about being submissive, but if they're, like, reasonable, I will submit
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Why would it be unreasonable for a guy to want his girlfriend to dress a certain way?
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Not that, like, it's unreasonable to want someone to dress a certain way, but, like,
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I feel like this is not overly, like, immodest.
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So, I feel like if someone, like, I just wouldn't date someone who would think that this
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is, like, not modest enough, because I don't really feel the need to dress modestly.
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Can you maybe stand up so they can see the outfit, I guess?
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So, if your boyfriend or whatever was, like, yeah, I don't really feel comfortable with
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So, if he, like, provided everything for me, then, like, maybe I would maybe listen.
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I would maybe listen, and I would maybe, like, wear something different.
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Well, you're currently in a relationship, right?
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Is your dynamic that which you describe, where he's covering everything?
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If he was, though, and he told you, hey, you know, I don't like what you're wearing.
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Well, not right now, but, you know, you ran it by him the night before, and he was like,
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Well, we've only been together for, if you're asking me, like, hypothetically, like, if this,
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like, if he did cover everything, then, like, maybe.
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But, since right now, like, we don't live together, we've only been together for two
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months, he also dresses, like, pretty, I wouldn't say, like, immodest.
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I mean, he wears, like, jackets with, like, no shirt underneath.
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I probably personally wouldn't date someone who would have a problem with it.
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Like, I guess I would be more submissive in, like, other ways.
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I wouldn't say, like, 100% because there are some things that, like.
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What are some other things you would not submit to, I guess?
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I don't know if it was said on this podcast or something else that he watched.
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But, it was, like, if a husband was to come home and be like, we're moving to this state
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because my job says so and you have no say about it.
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I would not just submit to that and be like, okay, let's go.
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Like, I would probably be like, why are you talking to me like that?
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Like, you're just going to come in here and tell me we're leaving?
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Like, you're not even going to talk to me about it?
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I might be quoting it wrong, but this is based off of what he told me.
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Yeah, I mean, so, we had a male guest who came on the show who, we'll play the clip.
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No, I mean, you were probably pretty spot on with it.
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But, okay, this is assuming, oops, that would have been bad.
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This is assuming that he's taking care of everything, paying all the bills, and you're not working.
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I was like, if someone came to me, like, respectfully and was like, hey, my job says we need to relocate here for, you know, and, like, I have no say in it, are you okay with that?
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Like, I would 99% sure be okay with it because I'd be like, yeah, like, if your job needs it, let's go.
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But if he came at me and was like, you have no say in this, we're moving, then I probably would not be okay with it just because you came at me like that.
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And I would probably agree with you to go, but just be respectful about it.
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So, you want to have the conversation about it?
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Like, I want to know that, like, someone would, like, respect my ideas.
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So, when it comes to instances in which you can be submissive, you want to have the conversation first, and then based on the tone and how that conversation goes, you then are the ultimate arbiter of whether you opt to submit or not submit.
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Is that a fair characterization of how you view submission?
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But it's just, like, I would like to just be respected about it.
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Then, like, the traditional guy, what if in each instance where you had an expectation that he'd be a leader or that he'd adhere to his traditional role, he wanted to have a conversation with you about it, and the conversation was essentially, eh, I don't know if I want to do that.
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I want to check in first and see if I can not do the thing.
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So, for example, you want a guy to pay for the first date, right?
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If you were on a date with a guy and the waiter comes, say you go to dinner, you know, go to a nice dinner.
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It doesn't have to be a super fancy place, but a nice dinner, whatever.
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And the waiter comes, and he says, two checks, please.
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Probably not, but I wouldn't be disrespectful about it either.
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Like, I wouldn't look at him and be like, why are you paying?
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But you would have an expectation that he pay for the bill.
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Now, let's say he then, within the purview of his traditional gender roles, before him just jumping to that, he says, listen, I'm a traditional chivalrous man, but first I want to have a conversation with you.
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I mean, I would honestly respect him for, like, having the conversation first, but I would ultimately be my opinion, I guess, to go through with it.
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So, okay, but if my, like, answer to him saying that is, okay, well, like, why do we need to go 50-50?
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It depends on how much I actually like to talk.
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He's just like, you know, I just want, I'm not financially struggling, but you ate the fuck.
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You ate the food, you know, you should pay for it.
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Well, and if I said, well, I just wouldn't prefer that.
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Because in, like, my scenario, like, if he was saying, like, we're going to move, and, like, he came to me respectfully about it, and I would agree with him.
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Like, if he was like, we have to move for my job.
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And the entailment of that is, you have your established friend group.
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The new place that you're moving to, you will like it less.
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And all your friends, you lose your friend group that's at least there in person.
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But he's like, look, in my determination as the leader of the relationship, this is the move financially for us together to do.
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Well, so is it a known fact that I wouldn't like it there?
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Like, because you said, like, this is a stipulation that you wouldn't like it.
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But I said that you like the current place that you do live, and all your friends live there.
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But you're moving to somewhere that you will like less than the place that you currently live.
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Let's assume you're living in, where do you live currently?
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I'm used to, like, 100-degree weather, and that's too hot for me.
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But I would go, considering I really love this man, and I want to build a family with him.
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But my only thing is I just want him to, like, tell me.
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Like, and if you, like, don't like it, tell me why.
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Yeah, but it's the only way that we come up with this one.
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I basically give her whatever the hell she wants.
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The reason that I do this is because if I say this is what ultimately is going to happen,
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that's the last word in it, and I don't even want to have the conversation, we don't.
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Now, she may really want to, and I can tell sometimes that she really does, but I don't
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fucking care because it's my decision ultimately.
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I just don't care to have her question my authority autonomy over the marriage.
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Was there an initial conversation prior to that, or was it just like, we're doing this,
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I would say more for like bigger decisions in life, not necessarily like little things.
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Even larger decisions if ultimately, let's say I went home and I said, we're moving to
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Get your bags packed, and I'm not going to have a fucking, I don't want to hear a word
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You're doing it, and that's the way it's going.
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I basically give her whatever the hell she wants.
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But, but, okay, so the reason that in there, I hate that.
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It just, and it's, and literally what he's saying, I guess, like if I was to say I was
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going to be submissive, what he's saying isn't technically wrong, especially for going by
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Like the man would have the ultimate say then, I guess, but it's the fact that he's like
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cussing at in like the sentence and he's being so aggressive about it.
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You can be like the leader and you can still be nice and respectful.
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But you would, you would acknowledge that when you're relaying something to an outsider,
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the way that you would actually word that wouldn't necessarily be reflected in how you're
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I'm not in the relationship, so I don't know how he actually talks to her.
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I think he's a horrible, I don't like that man at all.
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And the way he was just talking, he's like, yeah, when I get home and I say, we're going
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to fucking do this and we're going to fuck, fuck you.
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That's why if you like him, but I'm saying like, I think the way he talks and he, the
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way he acts about women, like it's so degrading.
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Like the, he thinks that he can say and tell us what to do and all this, that's, it should
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be a partnership when you're in a relationship.
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Like Brian, do you agree with the way he talked?
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I like how he said in the first, he made it known.
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When he's having that conversation though, right there, he's taking on a tone that's more
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That's doesn't necessarily imply that that's how that's going to go when they're actually
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But even then I can tell you from firsthand seeing them, he treats her fantastically.
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But the way that you got to fix your mic, can you strain your mic up and like tilt it
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I don't think that's fair though, to go in on an attack on him when he's not here, you
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That's your actual, wait, you said you had a half, wait.
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Roles in relationships, what each deserves and expects.
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Or, okay, wait, about expectations from like submission or whatever?
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Well, referring to like the clip we just saw, I mean, if it was predetermined that that's
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how they are happy to conduct with each other, then I don't see any problem with it.
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And clearly if they're still together, then I mean, yeah.
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Say if they, I don't know how long, say if they have like a 20 year going relationship,
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if that's working for them, that's great for them.
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It's more my opinion on him is more deeply in the things he said on the show, not to his
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If they have a lovely relationship, then I believe that.
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But I think she could definitely be with another man that could treat her better.
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Because I don't think he's a good, I don't think he's a good person.
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Like I don't, I'm not like going to, from what I've seen, I don't like that behavior.
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He, when, when the girl was on a podcast, even though she was crazy, like she was making,
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he was making fun of her the way he was, she was talking.
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Like the way he talks up to like, it's okay to call her a crazy bitch because she was a
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crazy bitch, but to make fun of her like speech impediment, you're gross.
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I don't think, I think he always crosses the line and I don't like that.
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I met Andrew and he is a lot nicer in person than you see in the clips, I would say.
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I just don't understand why he chooses that role.
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Like when, if he is a good person, be a good person.
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That's what you don't, you're not a good person.
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If you make fun of someone's speech impediment, I don't care.
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She was in the wrong, but like, that doesn't mean what he did was okay.
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And he does a lot of things that are not okay in my opinion.
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I think being rude to people, even if you don't disagree, if you disagree with them is just
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like, I'm giving that energy to him because that's the way he talks to other people.
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I think it's kind to attack someone for a condition they have or something.
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You sound, like being literally so rude, like, and disgusting.
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Like, deaf people sound like that because they can't hear themselves.
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And you're going to make, so it's not only he was making fun of her speech impediment,
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he's making fun of deaf people and being literally like, he was doing this with his hands, being
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And it's okay if you guys, but I, that's just my opinion.
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I don't, I'm not okay with people bullying like that.
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I'm not okay with making fun of someone for, if he cussed her out, I wouldn't have cared.
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Like, you're allowed to be angry with a person, but you're, the lines that he crosses are
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Like, to be an act like that, like, why is he choosing that?
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You could be a good person and have good debates and faithful conversations.
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Instead of that, he's trying to piss people off.
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Define, like, always trying to make girls look stupid.
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And you're going to use your education as this, like, thing that, like, I just don't
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But I think, like, when he says define that, he kind of gets them in, like, if you're going
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to talk about a topic, you better know, like, you better know yourself.
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Also, I think you can talk about a topic and not know the exact definition of a word.
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Like, you know, if someone doesn't know the deep-rooted doesn't mean they don't know
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that word in that context, in the way that they're speaking.
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And to stop someone and be able to be, like, and try to catch them in, like, oh, you're
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I'm not going to ask Brian if he knows a word, a big word that he's using, because I assume
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that he knows, because he's using it in a sentence that makes sense.
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Andrew, bring me, I'm not kidding, I'll come on.
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No, I'm just saying, I feel like he would say that.
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He's like, you're not 10 because you're a fat cow.
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Wow, so I heard a lot of, I was, I stepped away briefly.
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You obviously got to monologue there a bit uncontested, but I did hear everything that
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you said, so I think I'd like to provide at least some degree of defense here.
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For starters, I think you, originally you made statements about his relationship with
03:14:50.940
First off, I think it's a completely egregious thing to say that you hope that she gets away
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with him with the implication that he's somehow abusive to her.
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Unfortunately, she, she even said like, will come to his defense frequently all the time.
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So it doesn't need you to like, be like, oh, you should leave him.
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She herself admits she's, they have kids together.
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Nah, but it's very, it's kind of a gross thing to tell a wife that she should leave her husband.
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You don't know the dynamics of their relationship.
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I get that he's ideal, ideologically opposed to you and disagrees with you on a great many
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things, but I do think it's kind of, uh, in pretty bad taste to tell a wife to leave her
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husband under the implication that he's abusive.
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I can tell you as somebody who knows, who's known Andrew for a long time, who's seen them
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interact, never, he praises Rachel all the time.
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It's completely inappropriate to tell her with the implication that he's abusive to tell
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After I made that comment, I moved away from it real quickly.
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I said, if she's happy, I said, if she's happy, then I'm happy for her.
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She, if it was a different life, I think she could be happier in a different relationship.
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I think the way that he acts is not the type, if she's happy in that marriage, good for her.
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Then the other thing I heard when I was back there is you went on to mischaracterize his
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interaction when you said he was mocking a woman by calling her, her death and doing
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You conveniently left out the part where prior to his mocking of her, she went ahead and
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Even she was mocking me saying what are you saying?
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All the stupid shit women say on the show, but she was definitely unprompted coming for
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If she's going to mock him or she's going to mock his friend, me, that he's going to
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I literally said she deserved, that girl was crazy.
03:17:37.120
What did she, she didn't make any fun of you with stuff like what he did.
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He was involving the deaf community, community, pretending.
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That is a physical thing that she cannot control.
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It wasn't just like Andrew out of the blue, just to be a jerk, started saying some shit
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She was being fucking obnoxious to the point we had to kick her off the show.
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So you're being, you're doing this disingenuous thing where you're leaving out critical context
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that attempts to paint him in a really bad light without focusing in on what she did
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That she was, did I not say she was crazy and that she deserved some type of.
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I literally said she deserves some type of smoke.
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You're saying all this stuff that I didn't say, babe.
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If they're in a good marriage, that's great for him.
03:18:50.740
Making fun of someone's speech impediment, saying that you sound like a deaf, Brian thinks
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Okay, maybe it's a little ha ha funny in the moment, but like, it's not fucking funny.
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Like, that's not funny to make fun of the way that deaf people speak because they can't
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Look, I have empathy and sympathy for people who are deaf.
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I wouldn't advocate for making fun of somebody on that basis.
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But he was doing a generalized mocking of her voice.
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And this is something that people do all the time.
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If something, because I'm loud and I'm talking, if someone was mocking me, it's one thing.
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You can make fun of the way she dresses or whatever.
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She went on to make fun of men with small penises.
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Have you ever made fun of a man with a small penis?
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You didn't fuck your boyfriend because of his small penis.
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Some of the gestures you were making were a little offensive.
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Were a little offensive to the small penis community.
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If he was on the table and said, oh, were you born with that speech impediment?
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Have you ever made fun of somebody with a small penis?
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Have you ever said, I bet that guy's compensating for his small.
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Why would I make fun of him and then not date someone?
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And I dated them for three and a half years because I didn't care.
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But sometimes you got to give a bit of leeway when you're dealing with a crazy person.
03:21:29.500
Uh, but, you know, sometimes in the heat of the moment, you know, look, sometimes a girl
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and in the heat of the moment, she was really disrespectful to the small penis community.
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People who are, who are good of hearing, uh, can have a lisp.
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Anyways, look, look, you know, um, see, why is it crazy for me to feel that way?
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Fucking bring it to the, uh, the, the deaf people then cancel Andrew.
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If you're so upset about it, send an email, send an email, go to HR.
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Uh, if you want to complain, Andrew's fucking 10 months ago said some insensitive joke
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You can't like, I, we were having a conversation among the girlies and then you came back to
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It's also not fair to like, you know, he's not here.
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That's why I'm not saying, I'm not going to say, literally I had a notebook with notes
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for him and then I closed and said, he's not here.
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So I'm not going to speak, but you asked the question.
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But if he's on and you want me to come on, I will speak my mind to him.
03:23:21.220
Well, Hey, you, you know, you actually originally wanted to be on with him, but then, you know,
03:23:29.000
Well, the original day you were going to come, he was going to be on that day.
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Oh, we got to do once she's back from the table or we will do the, oh, the video here.
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I want you to rate this woman on a scale of one to 10.
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Well, what if I told you that you look like her?
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You have to make me skinny for it to be realistic.
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So the question will be, would you date the male version of you?
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So I'm like conflicted on saying that, but he's a pretty good looking guy.
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That kind of looks like my brother a little bit.
03:28:45.460
Um, and what do you rate him in terms of looks?
03:28:53.680
He's definitely cuter in the, in the right one, in the middle one.
03:28:57.840
Um, without the beard, like maybe like a four or something that with the beard, like
03:29:23.720
Um, I was going to say that kind of looks like my boyfriend's hair, but, um, oh my God.
03:29:37.960
You can pull the supers in between, by the way.
03:29:50.460
You'll have to, uh, no, I would, I would not date that man.
03:29:57.980
Like I would, I would run away from him on the street.
03:30:06.040
If you were to transition, you would be scared.
03:30:47.140
So I, like, in general, not attracted to men with facial hair.
03:31:12.040
I feel like everyone else on this panel has other opinions.
03:32:20.600
By the way, look at his, he's black, but he has.
03:32:57.280
I've, I've never dated a black guy, but I've like talked to them.
03:33:24.880
Why is his neck and his face the same, like, size?
03:33:28.020
Yeah, I was going to say, does he have a big neck?
03:34:07.240
Uh, I think that was like, I don't know, seven years ago or something.
03:34:20.560
Oh, I don't know if we have that photo anymore, but we have my Instagram.
03:34:43.920
The young Brian, you know, uh, you know, okay, there I am.
03:34:54.220
Like that soccer jersey one, how old are you in that?
03:34:56.540
I think I, wait, go down to the, you can click it, I guess.
03:35:00.200
Don't look at the date because that's, that's off.
03:35:35.480
Not looks, but I'm saying that's like the Brian I grew up on.
03:35:41.240
Why, why did you choose this route and not like keeping your other videos going?
03:35:49.640
Uh, I mean, I was just kind of looking to transition to something a bit more different, I guess.
03:35:55.780
Um, and why did you choose this specifically, like podcasting and this type of like.
03:35:59.780
Oh, I mean, I've always had opinions on dating and relationships and this sort of thing.
03:36:04.980
And I was fully entrenched in like online dating.
03:36:13.640
And I had like really strong opinions when it came to like what I saw going on when it came to dating.
03:36:20.080
And I sort of saw the transition because, I mean, Tinder first came out in like 2012, really early on.
03:36:33.560
Um, but even like early days of online dating was a bit different, still pretty D gen, but like so much has changed when it comes to dating.
03:36:43.580
Um, really different dynamic from when I was like 18, 19, 20 to how it is now.
03:36:50.100
And that's just, you know, obviously I was in college then, but looking at like how dating is for college people now, like guys and girls that are in college, there's a lot that's different.
03:37:08.980
I'd done dealt with some crazy experiences when, when I was out there dating, especially on the dating apps.
03:37:16.240
And I was like, yeah, I got opinions on this shit.
03:37:22.340
I think you should definitely do some type of create, like, I feel like the videos I've watched in the past, like not everyone has a mind like that.
03:37:29.820
Like some people are good at something like that's like what you're good at, like coming up with ideas and stuff.
03:37:33.140
Like you should definitely do some type of outlook of some type of thing like that.
03:37:39.720
Like this is good for a career as well, I guess.
03:37:51.560
I'm saying that like you're very skilled and I coming up with ideas and stuff like that is a skill.
03:37:56.260
I still have like, I have a notepad that was filled with hundreds of ideas, but I was like, no, I'm going to do this.
03:38:07.060
Oh, were we, was there something else we were going to pull up, Nick?
03:38:23.880
Kind of make sure I don't scuff my stream deck.
03:38:32.520
So guys, who here has never been on the dating app?
03:39:01.240
So what we're going to do, one at a time, you each have 20 swipes.
03:39:08.020
Do you remember all the settings from way back then, Nick?
03:39:39.040
Why don't we do 18 to, or no, let's do, let's do 20 to, we have a 29-year-old.
03:39:52.400
So we're going to do 20 to, we can change it, right?
03:40:01.760
Okay, so Ellie, what's the age range of guys you would date?
03:40:21.680
You probably have to go into your settings to change it?
03:40:27.500
While he's doing that, I want to remind everybody that Cherry, is that your name?
03:40:41.120
No, it's my like, I went viral for a video, like video, and then I became that.
03:40:48.760
It was just an Instagram account I had, and then it became me.
03:41:05.000
I feel like we should not be in California if we're doing this.
03:41:16.380
But then it's going to be a bunch of fucking hipster creative.
03:41:32.180
Maybe Texas could be good, because I feel like Texas kind of has no.
03:41:45.280
It's like not totally soy, but also not totally like Dallas.
03:41:58.800
While we're doing that, Ellie, can you read this one from Priscilla?
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A mythanthewist, big back, with a fatitude, loose-cooty energy.
03:42:35.280
All right, it's a possibility y'all might see somebody you know.
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Oh, I can't do this one, but I'm going to assume it's the brown one, so no.
03:43:28.160
And you do no on all of them, right, Nick, if I recall?
03:43:33.820
Like, you're just swiping no, even though they...
03:44:26.320
He's, like, also against naps, just like David Goggins is.
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Let's do for, what's your age range that you would date?
03:45:40.960
He's like, you can be, you can be, I can say this man's hot, but that's not my type.
03:46:05.600
Can you click just on the white to see if it will clear that pop up?
03:47:19.220
They're just not, and especially, it depends on what their, the photo is, too.
03:47:29.900
I mean, if you're comfortable doing it, we can do it.
03:47:33.440
Can you bring your mic to the edge of the table?
03:49:13.580
Uh, I'm assuming it's the dude on the ground with the kid.
03:49:25.700
There's more, but just for the sake of the activity.
03:49:38.460
Wait, I thought you said it was weird that you were like dating a guy who was a junior.
03:49:42.220
Well, like when I was on Tinder, like that's literally the minimum you could go.
03:49:46.880
It's not necessarily who I would pick, but that's, I don't know if it's different from
03:50:32.420
I don't like the way he spelled his name either.
03:54:04.440
um sure yeah no for both of those guys yeah it's a hard lawyer
03:54:13.160
yes yes no no i don't know which one is which um no we'll skip group photos no
03:54:39.280
yes to either i thought it was one on the left okay uh no
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gadgets and doodads and various props for usage
03:55:11.640
he's silly do you want one do you want to wear something
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i mean what do you have uh let me take a look hold on
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so you can let's see your mothering nurturing ability okay can we see yeah
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okay okay that's okay that's good that's good for for l over here i have um a black baby
03:55:43.720
oh my di baby so um let's see yes assess your nurturing abilities
03:55:48.740
and i already missed out do you have a fat baby um i do not have a fat baby in frame or
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yes does it not consent to that it it signs a talent it signs an appearance release
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damn y'all picky though what the fuck that's crazy guys on dating apps
03:56:10.420
i saw some good looking decent looking guys on there and y'all just like nope
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and girls went deeper into that like it's like also like what's in the background like
03:56:24.180
the way that they're like if they're they look weird or like they're in a weird environment
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no uh somebody over here was like he's he's on the water he's aquatic
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the what the skiing pictures skiing pictures okay i actually have a date with one of those guys
03:56:44.180
tomorrow you you have a date i'm serious yeah that is awkward don't tell us which one
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was it one of the guys that you picked on like uh that i said yes to yeah oh
03:56:58.500
what's that the guy with the tattoos um no oh no okay that's cool that's cool all right
03:57:08.260
we're gonna get into the pre-show notes here actually no we're just gonna do the questionnaire
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then we'll do pre-show notes um oh we didn't have you sign one do one but uh
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how about this luna if there's any of these topics that you want to jump in on yeah as they
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come up just feel free to jump in on it uh so going around the table or you know what here
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where do i want to start um actually you guys don't disagree with much so
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rene how do you say your name renez okay uh you agree with the following statement men are not the
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primary victims of war that beckons the question who are the primary victims of war are they women
03:57:59.140
well i think it can be translated back into like a relationship with a woman
03:58:05.780
so if a man goes to war you're talking about like legit war right
03:58:10.340
yes yeah okay so yeah i think that that plays an effect on them and like their whole
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how they actually are a changed person from coming back from something like that which
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affects their relationship so yeah if they're in a marriage or if they have a girlfriend then yeah
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she's gonna absorb some of that so but so she would be the primary victim it's not a victim it's it's just
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more like she she's what she's just affected by it i i don't dispute this at all but the the
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prompt is men are not the primary victims of war you circled it indicating you agree with the statement
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yeah well so i'm saying well this is what i'm clear well
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and is that sort of men or well i think it does it say yeah it says it references a man first
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right yeah so i don't disagree with you that like a guy who saw horrific things at war could come
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back and could be suffering from like ptsd or how that could have an impact on his girlfriend that's
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not in dispute the question is though who's the primary victims who's the primary victim of war is
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i mean yeah if he's fighting war she yes i would say him but i don't know i guess this is a bigger
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question as well like how many other people are affected by war in general but if we're saying if
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this we're just talking about one person going to battle then i would say yes well i'm look it's not
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on the individual level it's more so the collective level so oh if we're looking at
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gender as a collective are there more men like the primary victims of war are they men as a collective
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or women as a collective who's the primary victim i would say men okay got it so okay i mean there's
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not if that's your position then there's not much really to push back on there um
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although how about let's bring it to the individualistic level so the man went to war
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maybe he got an injury or he has ptsd and that has a really negative impact on his relationship
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with his girlfriend or wife who is the primary uh i mean i guess i'll still frame it from primary
04:01:02.020
victim of war in that circumstance is it the wife or is it still the uh the man on the individual level
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then could you say that when a woman goes through pregnancy
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uh you know the woman obviously that can be come with certain side effects
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the actual pregnancy itself giving birth is can be quite painful
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and the husband's there in the waiting room with her and she grabs his hand and squeezes it really
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tightly and it's hard for him to see her giving birth like that's a that's stressful
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who would you say they're both equally i'm not going to use the term victim here but i'm going to use the
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term suffering uh do are both the men and the woman suffering equally
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no who's the primary sufferer of pregnancy i would say the woman physically
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is going through more suffering physical pain he might be having emotional pain but hers is on the
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physical level okay but you would agree that oftentimes in war men do suffer physically
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yeah okay so so so on the individualistic level you would probably say in this instance the man's
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still probably the victim of war more so than the wife who deals with the trauma that he's experienced
04:02:50.020
more so than the wife like okay he saw some crazy shit maybe he got an injury whatever he has ptsd
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and that's that's introduced issues into the relationship but who's the primary victim
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of war this is such an easy question the answer i'm literally a military kid and like yeah we got
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affected by my dad but we didn't get as much like he saw crazy things over there like in the middle east
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so somebody trying to argue saying that like the girls at home get like most of the primary victim
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that's not that's not the case because i know what my dad went through it's awesome i'm taking the
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babies back by the way i'm cps i didn't feel like i really sticked for this one my baby what's his name
04:03:45.700
i'm happy what's her name tbd here you go felicity that's your future oh you can have my baby girl
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oh oh can you not grab the baby by the head oh my god oh no that's crazy i'm calling cps it's a
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don't make me open up one of these windows and drop the baby
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onto the harsh streets okay uh thoughts any further thoughts on further thoughts no i don't but so
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i guess to finalize what's your position are women the primary victims of war
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no men are if they are the ones that are serving no okay all right nothing else to push back on there
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uh let's see anybody um here let me just throw women are just as physically strong as men does
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anybody agree with that no no nobody okay uh damn y'all okay uh women are oppressed in the united states
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um i feel like it could it's a little worse as well in other countries i think we're getting to that
04:05:09.940
point especially with trump in rule and in power um i feel like with the whole like my body my choice
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movement going on and all of that it definitely did bring down the like individuality and power
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that women did have prior if we are letting men have control over our bodies
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okay um so you do think women are oppressed in the usa and it relates to abortion as just so i
04:05:46.980
understand your position yes i would use abortion as one of my examples okay all right and then for
04:05:55.380
you um you said women are oppressed in the usa why is that yeah well i've seen it in corporate um
04:06:03.300
i was in corporate tech for a very long time and it was very apparent the way that women were treated
04:06:10.260
versus men um pay way pay range um so i've seen it what do you mean the pay range the pay range for
04:06:19.380
a man versus a woman doing the same work doing the same exact work you know it's interesting you
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mentioned tech companies uh at google they actually did an internal audit and they actually found that
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they were overpaying the women so would this point to anti-male sexism in tech companies
04:06:42.180
like was that is that just immediately just sexism towards men no i'd say that it's just it's a it's a
04:06:50.260
known fact um but what's a known fact that yeah okay uh i mean the gender wage gap has been debunked
04:07:00.900
but um do you want to explain to me i guess what the gender wage gap is
04:07:08.260
you mean overall are we talking like what is it what does that mean that there's a wage gap that a woman
04:07:14.740
and a man could be hired for the same exact position having the same exact qualifications
04:07:27.380
okay i mean there's since the 60s there's been laws against this and if you can prove that this
04:07:32.740
is actually the case as a woman you can bring a lawsuit against your employer and be uh financially rewarded
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for doing so uh i guess what what do you what is the wage gap though some people throw out different
04:07:50.100
numbers they say it's 25 cents men make 25 cents more women earn 80 cents to every dollar a man makes
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what what is the number that you know of i honestly don't know it statistic wise it is right now
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um gotcha um i've also been there's a wage gap oh you me yeah um i don't know like specifically what
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the thing is but i do think that like in places people women get paid less than men i don't think
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it's like as great as everyone talks about it as like it is but i think there's definitely bosses who
04:08:30.020
are wanting to pay the men more like i think that it happens for sure and i think it could happen to
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men too like if a woman's running it like i think it happens everywhere so mm-hmm yeah so i mean they
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did an analysis on the wage gap so there's there's a couple different things there's the earnings gap
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and then there's the gender wage gap there's controlled and uncontrolled so if you control for
04:08:53.780
everything because what the the gender wage gap does is it doesn't take into account any variables it
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literally just compares all the money that the women make and all the money that the men make
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and doesn't take into account hours worked doesn't take into account geographical location doesn't take
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into account the fact that men are more likely to work overtime to work more hours they're more likely
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to relocate they're more likely to work hazard pay they're more likely to happen to pay or excuse me
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work jobs that are higher paid they're more likely to work dangerous and dirty jobs that also tend to be
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uh less desirable and in and end up paying more because of that so for example i mean there's a lot
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of other sorts of gaps there's the male death gap so men are way more likely to die on the job so i mean i'm
04:09:47.780
sure all of you would if there's a risk of you dying working a job you'd probably want to be
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compensated the in a way that was commensurate with the risk that you were undertaking by working
04:10:00.900
a job where there's a risk of injury or death most women were comfortable air conditioned office jobs
04:10:07.060
whereas there's a much higher proportion of men who are involved in these certain fields where they're
04:10:12.020
literally working it's either dangerous or it's dirty or in some way well yeah so but the gender
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wage gap that feminists like to purport doesn't factor in all these variables that actually when you
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start to control for all the variables the wage gap shrinks to one cent women earn 99 cents to every
04:10:36.340
dollar man makes oh there's other factors too like men are more likely to uh negotiate pay men go into
04:10:43.540
different fields this sort of thing but the big one that i always like to point to well hold on let me
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just divert really quick uh who here thinks men should pay on for first dates raise your hands should men
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pay on first dates ellie i think it depends on into the mic into the mic i think it depends on who asks who
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on the day have you ever asked a guy out on a date no i haven't have you been asked out on a date
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yes would there be an expectation if you did accept if i did accept that he should pay i would i would
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probably expect that it would be compensated yes compensated yes comped i like that term
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okay um what about you i agree if they're asking if i'm asking i should pay if they're asking they should
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pay because they're the ones how many first dates have you been on a good amount like maybe what
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proportion do you ask and what well i date women as well so i ask a lot because if yeah just talking
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about men um oh like probably like i don't know like 30 of the time i'm asking okay maybe what about
04:11:49.620
you um should men pay for the first date i i don't think so i don't want to be pressured and also
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i just want to be equal how many first dates have you been on a few uh did you always go 50 50 no
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the guy the guy paid yeah oh well okay but i changed my mind because like i'm a better person now
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okay but all the first dates you've been on the guy paid for the date mostly yeah and you used to
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believe previously that the guy should pay for the day yeah but that's changed okay what about you
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i do believe they should pay for the first date and do you ask guys out for first dates no have you
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ever asked a guy on a first date no how many first dates have you been on quite a few yeah ballpark
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more than 20 30 40 50 i would say more than like 20 more than 25 25 and not one of them you asked
04:12:38.900
them out on no and the guy paid for all of them yes okay in your current relationship on subsequent
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dates does he also pay for all other dates too yeah okay and other guys you've dated in the past
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beyond the first date they also pay for subsequent dates also yes generally okay uh luna how many
04:12:56.340
first dates have you been on um quite a few quite a few what's that name um 10 20 30 40 50 like in
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like between like 10 to 15 10 to 15 and will you go out to dinner you'll grab pizza what do you do
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typically um it honestly depends on the type of person i am going out with like for example
04:13:17.220
the guy that wanted more traditional stuff he always took me out to like really fancy restaurants
04:13:23.300
um where like the minimum of the check was like about 300 and as great as that is to be treated with
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such like i would say like bougie-ness i would also rather had appreciated something a little more
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simpler because i feel like when men take you out on really nice states they kind of hold
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this like upper hand on you that they're spending all this money on you and taking you out to this
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really nice place so you kind of have to like owe them something not necessarily all the time but that
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is what majority of men think um a lot of my first dates i like like especially for a first date
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i like to keep it more mellow like i've been to like go into in and out or like chick-fil-a like
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something really easy in which that we would go like 50 50 or just pay whatever we had
04:14:24.980
okay so have you ever asked a guy out yes okay but mostly they ask you out yes and
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they pay uh yes unless and you have a preference i sometimes offer and you have a preference for
04:14:39.860
them to pay uh not necessarily i do that's why i said i like to offer majority of the time like
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if it's not too big and fancy i like to offer and i like to keep it even just in case like what if that
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first date is also our last date like i'd rather them you know have like kind of a fair ground between
04:15:00.020
that relationship and not have it where they paid for a really big expensive date and they
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got really nothing out of it and then they get mad at you or upset that like you kind of use them for
04:15:12.660
their money or whatever sure okay what about you should men pay for first dates absolutely absolutely
04:15:19.220
okay um how many first dates have you been on probably over 40 40. did you ask out any of the
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guys for any of those dates no they always asked you out yeah okay did they uh and overwhelmingly they
04:15:32.980
paid for the first date yeah if a guy you went out with a guy and he asked for two checks would there
04:15:38.180
be a second date no okay so you want guys to pay for first dates uh yep yep what about you no not at
04:15:45.380
all i don't think they should you don't think men should pay for first days no okay uh have you ever
04:15:50.660
been on a first date yes how many first dates have you been on um about five or six okay and did the
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guy pay for those or was it always um all the guys paid i've paid for i think two and then the rest
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the rest were paid for fully okay all right uh so tying this back in to and relaying this to
04:16:14.260
the wage gap i think the wage gap could actually be explained away by women's own sexist dating
04:16:23.860
preferences how could it well you're shaking your head but how could it not be the case if there's
04:16:30.500
a greater pressure like i i listed a whole bunch of reasons for why the supposed gender earnings gap
04:16:37.540
could exist but even kind of ignoring all those and just looking at the the intergender dynamics
04:16:44.740
between men and women if women had a stated preference like a strong preference and it doesn't
04:16:49.780
have to be all women but let's say it's even half of women are like hey i want a guy who's a provider
04:16:55.380
i want a guy who can pay for dates that places a disproportionate one directional pressure on men that
04:17:02.900
doesn't that doesn't exist in the reverse that doesn't exist from men to women so and i think
04:17:11.060
we can all agree here that i think both men and women are really motivated when it comes to dating and
04:17:16.820
finding your person finding a partner finding a boyfriend girlfriend husband wife whatever it is
04:17:23.780
i think in some ways men can oftentimes be even more motivated in some ways but as it relates
04:17:30.980
specifically to this even assuming that the motivation to find your person is up is pretty
04:17:36.180
much equal there is this component of asymmetry when it comes to preferences i don't believe that there's
04:17:44.660
symmetry in expectations preferences standards etc so if women have an asymmetrical standard which is
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men should pay for first dates wouldn't this create a pressure on men to earn more money
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like if the man has to be the provider the man has to pay for first dates that creates a pressure on men
04:18:08.260
to perform and to achieve and to make money and to try to be rich or whatever that doesn't exist towards
04:18:16.100
women so the wage gap can if it even exists be entirely explained by all of y'all's
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preferences we could also say it's more expensive to be a woman and that like
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we deserve more money because we have to do a b c and d to make men happy you know what i mean like
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our hair and our nails and all that stuff like i think that's a preference wait wait do women do
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that for themselves or do they do it for men i know i have wait do women wear makeup for themselves or
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they do it for men because you like to pick and choose hold on y'all women like to pick and choose
04:18:50.020
when it's convenient now for you to say oh we wear makeup for you guys but then you guys switch it up i'm
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saying you'll switch it up and say no we do that shit for ourselves we do i'm saying there's men who
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want their woman to look like that i'm saying if they want their men don't give a fuck about nails
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not all i'm saying okay name maybe nails but they want their woman to keep their you don't want your
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woman to get their hair done and keep their looks going and all that stuff like it can get a haircut
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she doesn't need to get the fucking bullshit color she doesn't gotta do no
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bullshit color in it some highlight color she can just for natural hair color i'm telling you uh
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whether she has dark hair light hair uh humans have been procreating for thousands of years before
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the invention of hair dye uh trust me you can you can find a a partner you can find a mate you can find
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a boyfriend you can get some dick doesn't matter you can be bald and get some dick
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yeah i think if a guy has those expectations then it's different bro all that shit i'm telling you
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i'm like groom have good grooming take good care of yourself have your hygiene good but all this extra
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shit that's that's you guys guys are simple we don't we don't care about that shit really
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that might be you but a lot of guys do i know a lot of guys like natural girls i know that there's a
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yes natural is a thing but i mean i do think that there's people like that there's never been a
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time where i'm like oh damn she's naturally a brunette but she's actually a blonde i didn't want
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to fuck her but now i want to fuck her like i that's never been a thought process it's a little
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different but like keeping your nails done and you're you're like yeah the fake nails or nail polish
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guys don't give a fuck about that yeah guys don't care now don't have like nasty nails have good
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hygiene but that would apply to men too i don't think y'all want to date a guy with like nasty
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fucking nails and shit but guys don't care about that all right but you're getting away from my
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point a little bit here which is in order to date men have to be bringing something financially
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at least a little bit we have to at least be able to pay for the date
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that in and of itself and there's other financial burdens like women's general preference for a
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provider like let's say it's less than 50 let's say 30 of women want to be stay-at-home moms they
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don't want to work so they're going to be looking to a man to be able to fully financially provide
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it's not all women but 30 of women is a fuck ton of women enough to create a mating pressure on men
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that again asymmetrical does not apply the reverse most men i can't move in the dating marketplace and
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have ever have an expectation that women are going to initiate that women are going to be paying for
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dates that women are going to be doing providing that they're going to be okay with me wanting to be
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a stay at a stay-at-home boyfriend and she's providing everything is there things that you
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are looking like that's the thing like maybe in a woman's that's what they're looking for but it's
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the same thing men are looking for certain things too i think they're more like we're like oh we want
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a man who takes care of us oh oh god like you know i mean like above men they like very picky on looks
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and like what's on the outside i feel like you know i mean like we're like we want a man who takes care
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of us like to be a provider and husband i feel like also you want a wife that cooks you dinner and fold
04:22:18.260
your clothes sometimes like i i don't i think a girl who sometimes right sometimes all the time
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okay that's the thing if you i think that's okay if you want your wife to fold your clothes but you
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need to be providing for her you don't want your yeah yeah so that's right it should be an equal
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we're having a conversation about the wage gap and i'm saying the it the two things really can't be
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true at the same time women can't say i want a guy who earns more than me i'm a guy to provide i want
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a guy to pay for dates etc etc etc but also women should be paid equally it literally those two
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things do not do not mesh they literally cannot mesh you're saying that are you saying that you're
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putting a price tag on women who's let's say they are stay-at-home moms and they do that route that's
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not that's not worth anything in terms of like a monetary did i say that no i'm that i'm asking
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okay what are you asking that's what i'm asking you is do you think it do you think that there's
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not a monetary type like amount that equates to a woman choosing to be the nurturer to choosing to
04:23:30.260
carry babies choosing to be a mom like all of that all of that comes with like maybe it's not you know
04:23:38.340
the whatever he makes a million dollars a year that maybe it's not exactly a one for one but are
04:23:44.500
you putting a price tag on that for a woman i don't see how that pertains to the conversation at hand
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but i suppose i'll engage with your question it doesn't really pertain it's sort of off in the
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distance something else that's not really related to the wage gap conversation it's totally a wage gap
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conversation how is it if a woman if a woman is deciding not to work and be a stay-at-home mom
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then yeah she you're removing her from making money
04:24:18.900
okay what so and well no you're but what's the argument what you're you're bringing it back to
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a wage gap and you're it just it feels like you're not giving any credit to the women that
04:24:37.220
actually want it that are giving up say their careers to stay home to take care of him to do
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the dinners to do all of that wouldn't that mean the men do need to make more money i mean in that
04:24:48.420
scenario like they're they need to provide yeah so it's like two separate conversations so
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i mean yeah if a woman gives up her career yeah i guess i acknowledge that a woman would give up her
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career to be a stay-at-home mom but i'm more so arguing from the perspective of you guys are claiming
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that there's a gender wage gap and i'm saying well there's a whole bunch of reasons for why that is
04:25:15.460
not due to sexism well i would argue it's due to women's sexism
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how how would it not be a sexist statement to be like i think okay is it sexist for a guy to say
04:25:33.060
i think a woman should cook and clean is that a sexist statement i know i don't think so well
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they were like i'm gonna make like i don't think if they but i think a woman should do x is that
04:25:48.660
sexist no no no no a woman should make me a sandwich see that we're talking about in like
04:25:56.660
in a relationship like if he's like in this relationship she should do these things like
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this is what i don't think that's sexist but like in that tone like being like go make me a sandwich
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that's a little you know what i mean like if it's like a equal back and forth it's okay that you're
04:26:09.540
both asking for stuff you know but okay if holding women to traditional gender roles is a form of
04:26:17.460
sexism then holding men to traditional gender roles must also be a form of sexism yeah but i didn't say
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it was sexism i said it's not right but so the the argument here is uh the gender wage gap women earn
04:26:32.340
less money because of sexism and i'm prepared to agree with you but it's because women have a sexist
04:26:40.100
uh traditional gender expectation on men that men be providers and men pay for dates oh you're saying
04:26:47.060
it's sexist to make that like that that we think that you're saying and it's not sexist so i mean
04:26:53.700
people have different sense of sexism i personally am fine with traditional gender dynamics but if you're
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going as women going to uh disregard and kind of throw away your traditional gender roles
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why can't men throw away theirs you can okay yeah then why do all these women who are probably
04:27:13.220
we have a lot of women who are still uh who i would categorize as progressive and liberal and
04:27:19.140
feminist and believe in equality why do you want men to pay for first dates like how do you
04:27:24.020
believe women should be paid the same but also believe men should pay for first dates like why
04:27:32.100
like it's well do you think it's okay like if a guy took you on a date like didn't tell you where
04:27:35.620
you're going and then you get to the date and the bill is 300 and then he's like it's a great red herring
04:27:40.100
i love the red herring doesn't answer my question at all so i said that i don't mind paying i if i
04:27:48.420
think if the person asks you should pay if i ask you should pay like i'm not paying for a date that
04:27:53.540
wasn't my back to my question back to my question okay so why is it like how do we reconcile women
04:28:00.820
saying men and women should be paid equally but men should still pay for me socially yeah it's a
04:28:07.620
double-edged sword it doesn't make sense i understand what you're saying like i get that but i think a
04:28:12.100
woman's allowed to want a guy to date and want a guy to be a provider like i think you're allowed to
04:28:17.060
want these things and then you just date but that fits in that but so how is a guy supposed to
04:28:22.820
provide without getting paid more without getting paid more yeah i agree i agree i think if if you
04:28:30.340
want a man to do those things then he like they need to be in a job and it's also not even that
04:28:37.140
men are being paid more the other component is just if if you double the labor pool
04:28:44.900
so if before you know um there was still female participation in in jobs uh but essentially you
04:28:53.220
had what happened 50s 60s 70s the labor pool doubled okay wages are going to stagnate
04:29:02.820
and now in the past you could support a family on one income you could support a family and the income
04:29:10.900
didn't even necessarily have to be all that high you could work as you know a certain wage of job
04:29:18.900
now even sometimes two people who are you know i'm trying to think of like a wage range
04:29:26.020
you have to be an exceptionally high earner to support a family on one income
04:29:41.140
i'm just saying i didn't put that i don't know how you reconcile women should be paid equally
04:29:45.780
but men should pay for first aids men should be providers i agree how can we provide if we've
04:29:52.820
i if you double the labor pool that's going to start causing a lot of look i'm not saying that
04:29:59.860
women shouldn't work that's not what i'm saying but i'm saying one of the downstream effects
04:30:04.580
of feminism and having women enter the workforce again i'm i'm in favor of women working but when
04:30:11.300
it comes to dating if we're gonna move society in a progressive direction there can't be a continued
04:30:17.940
expectation that men are going to even economically or financially even be able to provide that which
04:30:24.580
existed in the 1950s when we've done away with the 1950s expectation that men are going to be the
04:30:32.420
dominant participants in the labor pool so you're saying the views should change based off the what
04:30:39.780
today's world is like like i'm just saying if you're going to be feminist you can't be feminist
04:30:44.980
until the check comes you gotta pony up you gotta pay half the bill why are you shaking your head
04:30:51.780
tell me why absolutely not sorry that's why i go back to saying masculine men masculine men will always
04:30:59.060
pick up that tab no matter what they have no problem picking up that tab and they will actually
04:31:05.140
never let a woman pay for it especially if it's your okay i love this yes he will not let her pull
04:31:10.980
out her wallet okay ever so what do men owe to women nothing what what do you mean that you're saying
04:31:19.620
a masculine man would never let a woman pay so he has some degree of there's a female driven expectation
04:31:27.220
on men i'm saying there's a certain caliber of man that exists out there that what does he get in
04:31:37.380
return for being a masculine man to be in the presence of a woman a woman but shouldn't he okay so what do
04:31:44.500
women have to do you know what is a woman's duty you're saying a man has a duty to pay for first
04:31:52.820
dates yeah to be a provider to be a masculine all these things what do women have to do
04:32:01.140
show up be a woman be the woman show up that like what if i said you understand what it is such a
04:32:08.260
privilege it is to even be okay to have a very yeah yeah no yes go ahead go ahead yes i do i do believe
04:32:16.500
that yeah on both on both spectrum like on the both on the man and the woman's side it is a privilege
04:32:23.380
to have a strong loving nurturing woman in your life and i will tell you that the ways that we provide
04:32:32.820
for a man even though it is not monetary you cannot put a price tag on that what do you do tell me what
04:32:41.620
you do you say i'm talking about like i'm talking about emotional availability i'm talking about
04:32:52.260
providing like a place of peace of wellness of um i mean there's a lot that women do that
04:33:06.340
doesn't equate to monetary okay so should women be submissive if they want to if that's the role
04:33:15.220
that they want to play okay well then why can't i say the same thing about men if that's the role
04:33:20.660
they want to play okay that's not the okay sure okay so i guess here's the two paradigms we can agree
04:33:29.220
that there's all kinds of different different people there's uh men who are more or less masculine
04:33:36.340
but that masculine guy who's a leader who's going to pay for first dates what does that guy deserve
04:33:44.980
from a woman in the same way that she's getting the things that you listed that would be a fair
04:33:52.180
expectation for the woman to have well i think if he's going into it looking for a long-term partner
04:33:59.620
versus we're not talking just like hookups okay yeah sure okay so if we're if we're looking at it
04:34:05.700
from the long game then i don't see a reason as to why a man would not want to show up in that capacity
04:34:16.180
for a woman by being the provider by being the first to throw a credit card down or whatever it
04:34:23.620
is for a first date like show her that you have the ability to take care of her and if you can't do
04:34:31.060
that on date one then you probably shouldn't be dating like don't even don't don't come to the table
04:34:36.980
unless you can be able to throw that card down i agree i think you know also coincidingly
04:34:45.060
women should be prepared to be submissive right away and you know what if if she comes back to
04:34:50.900
your place on the first date she should fold your laundry she should fold your laundry she should clean
04:34:56.740
your house uh she should do all that but let me ask you this um do you ever want to get married
04:35:03.860
you no not traditional not traditionally so not in a um like in a church or anything like that
04:35:10.980
like a but you wanted the the state you want to state no i don't want to state marriage
04:35:17.460
oh okay and just curious why not uh i don't want to be tied to legal system yeah i just don't okay so
04:35:26.020
don't want to be tied to a legal system yeah okay who here wants to get married just show of hands really
04:35:29.540
quick yes maybe show fans show fans yes yes yes yes okay uh wait really quick let's do this show of
04:35:38.980
hands again just uh who wants guys to pay for the first date show of hands raise my luna didn't you
04:35:44.660
no i thought okay uh really it was just it was just you and you and you three who wanted i thought there
04:35:58.260
was more of you wanted yeah that's men duh i asked men on dates all the time oh my you said it was 30 70
04:36:05.860
so men ask you more yeah because i'm not asking unless i really want to go on a date with them
04:36:09.620
that's right but you get you get asked out more by men yeah this idea of whoever i should pay
04:36:16.260
would make sense if there was somewhat approaching similar rates of men and women asking each other
04:36:24.100
help so if even if it was 60 40 men asked out a little bit more i could be like i could get behind
04:36:30.580
the okay whoever i should pay it's like 95 it might even be 99 to one that's the differential
04:36:39.780
between how many times the rate at which men initiate first dates versus the rate women initiate
04:36:46.260
first dates in that opposite direction do you think they should split the bill or do you think that we
04:36:50.820
should pay the bill like if he if you ask someone on a date are you splitting the bill are you wanting
04:36:56.260
them to like what's the argument you know i mean like if a girl if you're not paying are you splitting
04:37:00.980
or you want them to pay what do you mean what do you mean what do i mean you're saying we're not
04:37:05.300
allowed to have a guy want to like he asked me on a date i wanted to pay the the date if that's not
04:37:10.740
how it's going do you think we should split it or do you think we should be the one offering to pay
04:37:14.420
because they asked us look i'm fine with guys who are asking paying for for first dates what i'm what
04:37:20.980
i'm contending with is the argument of whoever asks should be the one to pay but it conveniently ignores
04:37:28.660
that men are overwhelmingly the initiators so as women you you have this sort of benefit where
04:37:34.660
you can move through life and like never ever ask a guy out and you'll have plenty of guys constant flow
04:37:41.700
most men if they never asked a girl out they're that's the end of their fucking bloodline
04:37:49.060
like most men are not getting asked out by women it is what it is so i'm saying to just wave away to
04:37:58.020
hand wave away oh well whoever i should pay again it just ignores this kind of intergender dynamic where
04:38:04.980
men are overwhelmingly the initiators so it's like not factoring in that component of it
04:38:10.100
so de facto you should just say men should pay because men are the initiators i mean that's
04:38:17.940
de facto what it is yeah but getting back to this uh who i guess going to you it's kind of complicated
04:38:28.500
yeah i don't know if this question is really going to land then but um would you if you did get
04:38:37.700
married but it wasn't through the state but i guess name changes our legal name changes would you change
04:38:54.820
why i'm just what so any uh what about you you said you want men to pay for first dates you want to get
04:39:00.980
married one day will you take your husband's last name yes okay i don't know if they're what about
04:39:06.260
some other people not wanting to i don't know okay well it's just weird because you want men to adhere
04:39:12.420
to their traditional gender roles but you don't seem to want to adhere to your traditional gender
04:39:17.460
roles of a name change yeah that traditionally like when a woman gets married she's gonna take
04:39:25.220
the husband's last name traditionally yes if i'm not wanting to get married in a traditional sense in
04:39:33.940
the court system and then by i mean legally i do not have to um if i'm open to the conversation
04:39:42.340
of having that with my partner and if it's a big deal then we will have that and you know i
04:39:49.700
wouldn't mind saying okay like yeah i would change but all right do you think uh let's say
04:39:57.780
a woman is living with a guy and he's being a provider taking care of everything should she cook for
04:40:13.220
it's something that i would do okay should she do his laundry sure should she clean the house
04:40:24.100
yeah i think it would be like just her she just does that
04:40:26.980
shit co i think it would be a co-partner kind of thing like hey you do this i'll do that or
04:40:35.700
yeah i think some responsibilities should be shared uh i mean maybe those that are a bit more like
04:40:41.620
physically demanding possibly but like what like just cleaning generally is not super physically demanding i
04:40:50.180
think cleaning fine like the like the bathroom she 100 cleans the bathroom every time all the time
04:40:59.860
every day not every day i'm just exaggerating all the time all the time every time i don't know say
04:41:07.780
it's once a week whatever she cleans the bathroom that's her that's what she does are you in favor of
04:41:12.900
this cool yeah never sometimes he does it um i mean if he wants to let him do it no but he doesn't
04:41:21.540
want to okay then you'll do it the whole time every time every time okay the bow video oh sure we can
04:41:30.020
do the bow video good suggestion nick bow bow bow
04:41:32.900
yes yeah boom so this is a video i took my ex-girlfriend um well i i um this was after a long long
04:41:51.540
podcast episode come back to my apartment um she had my dinner ready this is kind of my expectation
04:41:57.220
um i do need the bow immediately as i come through the door she has to crack open my beer for me
04:42:04.020
um i had to scold her for those tomatoes i'm not a fan of tomatoes
04:42:08.340
so i actually dumped her after this dinner because she
04:42:11.460
i don't eat tomatoes like that and then let's just play the bow again really quick
04:42:18.020
boom huge bow do you see the depth amazing great technique hands kind of submissive base
04:42:25.460
submissive housewife um ex-girlfriend did have to dump her though she was uh kind of crazy also
04:42:31.220
you saw you see the eyes at the end yeah crazy shit she did all of that and still she did all
04:42:36.260
done yeah you know look you know yep sometimes the bow is not even doing it uh so do you guys think uh
04:42:43.140
i don't know would you bow for your man going around the table starting with you yes i would
04:42:47.460
okay are we gonna get a demo right now can you show us about not to me just in general
04:42:50.740
in general can we see about sitting down right now well stand up let's see about the full picture
04:42:55.220
yeah we need the the full the full all right okay oh this is really demeaning no this no
04:43:06.020
the camera's right here you can yeah no you're good no where you were was good where you were
04:43:11.380
okay go for it all right well done fantastic well done ellie well done good job w ellie in the chat
04:43:23.300
um would you bow for your boyfriend no i mean if he's if he's paying all of my bills and taking
04:43:29.700
care of me full force and that's like our subdom thing was it to the bow yeah that's what i'm saying
04:43:34.500
because bow bow bow i'll bow bow bow for ellie's definitely on board with the bow yeah i love that
04:43:41.700
for you all right would you bow for your boyfriend yeah i have and i kiss his feet too okay w's in the
04:43:47.300
chat i mean that's kind of no no not like that just like that you know like when you bow
04:43:54.100
not like sucking his toes you know i mean i could get behind i i'm not about like the the feet kissing
04:43:59.860
thing though but like not just the bow but the get on the ground and then bow yes sign me up
04:44:07.860
for that what about you would you hit a bow for your boyfriend i've actually had this conversation
04:44:12.660
with him because he showed me this video and i said yes your boyfriend watches the podcast he does
04:44:18.820
yeah and so you did you do it i did great but it was kind of like it's not a joke but it's kind
04:44:23.700
of a joke because right now like i wouldn't do it right now because he doesn't provide for me
04:44:27.620
but i told him that if he did wow wow she it you can't see see the vision for i see the vision
04:44:35.460
that's why i did it the first time right there right now but maybe down the road i did it one time
04:44:40.340
and i was like i was like i'm not doing it anymore besides this one time i was like that's just a
04:44:44.260
vision into what its potential would you hit a bow for your boyfriend um probably yeah all right it's
04:44:51.860
almost out of like respect because especially in asian cultures you do bow out of respect and it's
04:44:59.460
like the lower you go the more you respect them so like in like chinese marriages like the bride and
04:45:05.780
the groom will like see who can like bow the lowest i have seen that before yeah okay would you bow for
04:45:12.260
your boyfriend uh if he bowed for me i'd bow for him nope one directional what why does he have to
04:45:18.500
bow no only one person bows no yeah you wouldn't bow for him no wait question would you bow for the
04:45:26.420
perfect guy would i bow for the perfect perfect guy he doesn't bow back but you just bow for him
04:45:32.820
no unless it was in a funny context and we were just being humorous he every time he comes home from
04:45:38.260
work he just wants you to three seconds just hit a bow no perfect guy though everything is perfect
04:45:45.140
dude i do some for the perfect woman i do a lot for the perfect woman we know i do a lot
04:45:55.620
you would rather a woman bow to you than come in and be like hi sweetie like you want them to be like
04:46:00.740
yes sir like that's like i get it i don't know she can do the hi sweetie and then with coupled with a
04:46:09.860
bow yeah it's okay yeah all right what about you would you bow for your boyfriend whatever
04:46:16.980
long-term boyfriend like probably not should be not a first date especially they don't pay
04:46:24.580
no i feel like if i don't know you that well like all right i don't know felicity only my husband yes
04:46:33.140
all right uh look i'm just saying i'm gonna put you ladies on some game here
04:46:38.100
i know y'all modern boss babes but i'm telling you
04:46:45.380
first time you're at the guy's house as soon as you walk through the door
04:46:51.220
act like you're on a mission be like where's the laundry room and make your way clean up after him
04:47:00.020
clean his house maybe bathroom can be the second date okay sometimes bathrooms a little dirtier
04:47:04.660
laundry first date maybe tidy up the kitchen a little bit he's got some dishes in there clean
04:47:10.420
the dishes put them in the dishwasher whatever you might say damn i'd never do i never degrade myself
04:47:16.420
like that you do that shit for a guy he's gonna be like who's this okay man come to them i'm oh i've
04:47:24.020
never had this before this is i can't i gotta hold on and that guy who he's gonna give you some some
04:47:31.220
brownie points for not for not a lot of effort like at least the bow that's no effort that's no
04:47:37.700
effort yeah it's no no when you go to a guy's house you should do his laundry i think if you want a top
04:47:43.460
shelf guy you should be briefing yourself before you even get to the house looking up floor plans
04:47:48.660
so that you can be aligned to the laundry room yes and to the kitchen i love that yeah it's all
04:47:54.660
about that's good see that's the effort that i'm talking about it's it's the thought that counts
04:48:10.740
do you also like sneak in break into his house when he's not there
04:48:15.460
so you can even know where the cleaning supplies are exactly yeah yeah i get that from you ellie
04:48:22.020
that you seem like that kind of girl okay that's cool um anybody else thoughts opinions feelings
04:48:30.100
i'm telling you look first time you're at a guy's house i'm telling you you know how people like to
04:48:35.780
assert dominance you're asserting your subservience oh i thought you're about to say that you like to
04:48:41.860
urinate on the wall no i have like this is my territory no i thought you were territorial or
04:48:48.420
some shit well i'm not like a bear so i wouldn't like go pee on everything unless you know that's
04:48:55.300
he was into that guy wanted if he was into that if he was yeah i mean yeah so far i've been practicing
04:49:00.980
my piss retention so that i can like stay at this table for as long as possible without having to take
04:49:05.300
my bathroom break we have had women urinate yeah i'm just kidding like they hold it in and
04:49:15.460
a little trickles out and seeps into the that's happened though mary that's what i'm talking about
04:49:21.620
that's happened here what did y'all change the chairs yeah yeah we wiped we wiped the chairs
04:49:28.100
why this is a secret yeah that's soaked and marinated yeah well don't worry about it i'm a
04:49:35.860
little worried uh so anyways what do you guys think though in favor of the bow wait you wouldn't do it
04:49:41.940
for the perfect man if he's gonna do it from like i said it has to be reciprocal yeah if he's gonna bow
04:49:47.700
wait what why reciprocal because are you gonna reciprocally pay for the date we're talking about a
04:49:54.820
bow that's the logic wait wait but think about this think about this right a bow boom three seconds
04:50:02.020
no effort super easy zero effort easy i mean if you got low back just a little slight out i got back
04:50:09.620
problems myself so you know but what what you're asking for for a guy to pay for the date now look
04:50:17.940
when you become older you tend to become a bit you know you earn more money but we got some girls here
04:50:22.340
we got 18 19 21 19 23 23 you could be dating a guy who makes 20 an hour let's assume a guy takes you
04:50:35.700
to a decent place it's not super fancy he's not gonna spend a thousand bucks but he spends a hundred
04:50:40.020
bucks on the dinner between the two of you you know that's a drink or two appetizer main course dessert
04:50:47.300
it's realistic a guy who's taking you to a a mid-tier place is gonna spend a hundred bucks
04:50:54.020
if he works and makes twenty dollars an hour and i'm just factoring in hit your portion let's say
04:50:59.860
your portion of the meal is fifty bucks right hundred dollars total you're asking the dude to work two
04:51:05.380
and a half hours to take you on a date two and a half hours let's say he's a i don't know he digs
04:51:12.340
ditches let's say he he works he works a uh a construction job he's out in the heat he's sweating
04:51:20.580
he's getting dirty he's he's breaking his back so that he could take you on a date and if the date is
04:51:28.020
a hundred bucks like i said your portion 50 that's two and a half hours of him working so when women
04:51:33.860
say the guy should pay for the first date the entailment of that is if assuming it depends on how
04:51:38.660
much he makes if he works and makes twenty dollars an hour you have to work two and a half hours to
04:51:45.460
take me out that's what you're saying is women when you say men should pay for first dates i don't think
04:51:51.540
it's that big of an ask then just hit the bow that's it i'll pay that bit i'll pay the bill you got to hit
04:51:59.140
the bow no respect bow is bills a hug is dinner like i'm not yeah i'm not bowing or whatever like
04:52:08.340
a bow is crazy like i will bow to a man if he's taking care of me fully if that's like if it's a
04:52:12.900
respectful bow like if he's like bow to me bitch like i'm not bowing to the him you know what he's
04:52:16.740
like in my culture like how she was saying it is a cultural thing i went to a wedding that they
04:52:20.580
literally were bowing like if it's a cultural thing and i'm dating someone in that culture and he's like
04:52:24.580
this is what a woman in my culture does to show my of course but if it's in a disrespectful manner
04:52:30.740
no it's of course respectful then she should want to do that shit i like this guy so much i'm gonna do
04:52:36.820
that shit if it's gonna make him like me more do that shit and that's but that's weird like wait
04:52:44.180
question who here wants a guy to open the car door the guy should open the car door bow and open the
04:52:50.580
car door open the car door what about walk closer to uh the road side the street side where the cars
04:53:00.340
are yeah should he yes this is these are the sidewalk negotiables these are the sidewalk rule who cares
04:53:06.740
about that like who cares pay attention to this shit honestly my mom was like if he doesn't all right
04:53:13.140
do that like there's some people who've noticed little things like that you were gonna say something
04:53:16.740
though i i just said those are non-negotiables those are things non-negotiable those are things
04:53:21.380
that a man should just be doing they should just do without question without question without
04:53:25.620
question these are duties oh my god yeah it's what these are duties that men have the man open the car
04:53:32.020
door the observe the sidewalk rule in case a fucking car comes barreling down at you and you're on the
04:53:40.020
first date with a chick who's done gone on 10 other dates in the past month i'm supposed to
04:53:46.180
sacrifice my life for a girl who done fucked a guy the night before what the
04:53:50.740
fuck are you kidding me bro this is crazy talk y'all want to be modern women but you want men to be
04:53:58.100
these fucking 1940s bachelors oh well i'm gonna i will uh late i'm gonna protect you and i'm gonna walk
04:54:06.260
on the inside of the road so if a fucking car comes barreling down i he oh my god babe oh felicity
04:54:13.780
get out of the way pushes her out of the way oh my god oh i'm dead and then literally the next
04:54:19.300
day oh felicity oh my god she's so sad and then she's she's on a date with fucking bartholomew or
04:54:24.980
some shit bro she's dating she's dating cornelius or some shit but you wouldn't even and i just died
04:54:33.060
to protect her the fucking day before and she's getting dicked down by fucking
04:54:39.140
she's getting fucking dicked down by some other dude she's getting dick she's getting dick from
04:54:43.380
somebody else but you're i gave my life that's true these are very slim things when you're asking
04:54:50.100
for a bow every single day yes okay what is it bow down it's a bow down like to a royalty that's no
04:54:56.100
that's about unless it's a respectful thing in a king and queen shit bro look
04:55:04.100
i'm just saying wait you were saying that bare minimum or something like men or what was the term
04:55:09.140
that you used yeah for like opening the car door non-negotiable non-negotiable thank you ellie w
04:55:18.020
what did they call you on fish tank leonard or some shit oh leonard ellie that was leonard my name
04:55:22.820
on the stoics leonard oh i don't know yeah just scoot in just a bit what do you think is a non-negotiable
04:55:28.900
for a woman you tell me laundry you're cooking no uh you tell me but i want to let's talk first
04:55:35.620
dates though because you're asking you're only wait i have a question though i have a question
04:55:39.300
you said these things for men are non-negotiable sidewalk rule open the car door pay for the date
04:55:46.180
okay those are a couple of non-negotiables what are the non-negotiables for women
04:55:52.580
i don't know what are they let's talk about it you know you you tell us you tell us
04:56:02.820
i mean women don't have to do again they don't do anything not true what is it but but how easy
04:56:10.980
was it for you to say men should do xyz non-negotiable your little boy if you don't do that
04:56:18.100
you little boy soy boys ain't gonna hold the door open open the car door pay for the date oh these
04:56:24.660
little soy boys over here and then but i'm just asking okay what what are women's non-negotiables
04:56:37.860
it's a raw deal for us boy we have on non-negotiables for the men and y'all
04:56:44.740
nothing but you just show you i am the table what do you bring to the table i am the table
04:56:49.940
no don't even go there what do i bring to the table that's your your female perspective
04:56:55.380
woman rule the world what do you bring to the table i am the table that's what she's saying
04:57:00.740
i'm at what are the non-negotiables for women what's on the table
04:57:05.540
what are they i'm asking you why don't we ask you i'm telling i told you but mine were but why is it so
04:57:11.940
easy for women to say men should do this but then you can't say women should do this not true what
04:57:18.500
should women do then you tell me y'all are the women you tell me what women should do
04:57:23.780
i think we all have differences because like that's what i'm saying you date women that's
04:57:27.860
why we're asking you it's like we're saying this because we date that person you know what i mean like
04:57:33.060
also it depends on the relationship with their dominor like i date women too and i'm more dominant
04:57:36.740
when i date women submissive when i date men so i feel like i would fill that role with a woman
04:57:40.740
like i would be opening the car door and for that like that's how i want to date a woman but for a
04:57:45.940
man i like to be more submissive so it's like different it's different for everyone word
04:57:53.060
word but in general i think women like if guys are paying for the first dates opening car doors doing
04:57:58.740
all this stuff for you the least you can do help them around around the house apartment wherever he is
04:58:04.980
i think that's the least you could do especially if women aren't sleeping and hooking up on the first
04:58:10.180
day like if i got taken on a date and they paid 300 at a steakhouse and then they called me being
04:58:15.060
like hey i need help packing i'm gonna help them pack like but it's more like if they pay for a date
04:58:19.780
and then they're like okay now i need to go do my laundry like that's like i feel like it's a
04:58:23.140
district it's like you need to have more of a relationship before you can like ask that like
04:58:26.980
it but i would be okay with helping them once they did that you know it's like i don't know that's
04:58:31.300
weird weird conversation what do you think is a non-negotiable for what you say what do you think
04:58:37.540
because you're a man and you have non-negotiables so what are they bow uh defer to my leadership so a
04:58:48.260
lot of women want a leader they find this as an attractive trait in a relationship y'all want a
04:58:55.300
leader but you don't want to follow in order for a guy to be an effective leader you can't be dealing
04:59:03.460
with like a rambunctious non-cooperative person like leadership can only exist within the dynamic of
04:59:14.100
willingness to follow women don't want to follow but it's weird because
04:59:19.140
nick you remember that clip from the office you know what i'm talking about
04:59:23.620
here i'll pull up the i'll find it but uh the office leadership what what's that ryan yeah i think
04:59:33.700
that's his name all right let's see if that finds it i'm gonna send it to you private chat all right
04:59:38.500
private chat boom there it is found it easy peasy pull that up video tab it we're gonna watch this
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telling y'all want a leader you don't want to follow means being submissive being cooperative
04:59:53.620
i got away with everything under the last boss and it wasn't good for me at all so i want guidance
05:00:00.820
i want leadership but don't just like boss me around you know like lead me lead me when i'm in the mood
05:00:16.900
i doesn't think that's like you can't even argue because there's scales of everything like there's
05:00:24.900
like i always said my dream relationship would be like like if i did like a lawyer or a doctor
05:00:28.980
or whatever like if i was going to his little like doctor lawyer meetings and everything i would let
05:00:32.980
all his friends think that he's in charge like i'm okay with like all his friends being like
05:00:38.020
giving him that dominance like giving like with his friends over and we're there like i'll help him
05:00:43.780
serve him like whatever like i'm okay with that but also when doors are closed and me and him are
05:00:47.700
just alone like he shouldn't treat me like all i am is to serve you know what i mean like i can
05:00:51.540
play the part when it's needed you want to peg him what what in the world did everyone hear that
05:00:57.220
i don't know just you said behind closed doors i mean i'm down i guess i don't know like if that's
05:01:02.100
what if they're paying bills you know i don't know they're both bad situations but this idea that
05:01:08.820
okay in in public you will you will fall into that role but privately you're just going to be
05:01:15.140
quarrelsome and annoying no that's not what i said i'm saying i i'm okay to play it more like if they
05:01:20.420
like being like the yes sir no sir whatever like if they're paying my bills and stuff i'm okay with
05:01:24.660
that but also when i'm at home like i don't want them to be talking to me exactly how they would to
05:01:28.980
their friends like at home like i want them to treat me more like they're a person not like this woman
05:01:33.220
you know what i mean like i feel like in front of their friends they want it to be more like a role
05:01:37.060
thing and i'm okay with playing that they're bringing the bread and they're that role in their
05:01:41.700
job you know if they're like the top ceo or whatever like that's okay like yeah so i guess if
05:01:47.220
the traditional role for men is to be providers and protectors then that would mean the traditional
05:01:53.860
role like the duty for women would be to have children okay like that's the traditional role
05:02:03.300
if we're talking like more so not necessarily on the individualistic level but on the like broader
05:02:13.380
the broader societal level like that would be the duty to society is to have children
05:02:23.940
but i guess more on an individualistic one-on-one relationship
05:02:28.820
absent children the role would be to bow defer to his leadership
05:02:39.860
show to show him deference be submissive be feminine and bring him peace
05:02:46.980
a partner that's it that's not it that is what you just described well yeah but i mean there's
05:02:53.300
what is being a good partner well you just described okay well fine then anything that's
05:03:04.980
brian i need to go well what i had a concussion my head hurts when did you have a few weeks ago
05:03:13.620
oh yeah well we didn't even get through your notes yeah i didn't know it was gonna be this long
05:03:18.420
uh well do you want to stay and we can finish up your notes really quick sure okay uh okay um let's
05:03:26.500
see uh we're gonna here i'm gonna get right to it i had one final point here really quick
05:03:33.780
so you wouldn't bow for the perfect man i would not bow for the perfect man no the perfect man the
05:03:40.660
entailment here could be he's a trillionaire super hot fucking amazing but all you have to do to get
05:03:49.460
him aside from just being you and all your other positive characteristics and traits you just have
05:03:55.220
to bow that's it if he would bow i would bow no no no he okay then it's a no but no the entailment
05:04:00.500
if he's not gonna do he won't that doesn't i it doesn't make sense but just to be clear he's a
05:04:05.220
trillionaire who cares who cares i don't i'm a trillionaire your life
05:04:13.300
and bark you never have to work this is like thousand year dynasty levels of wealth uh you
05:04:24.820
never have to work a day again in your life your everything is taken care of you don't even you're
05:04:30.260
not even gonna have to cook and clean for him he has servants on he's got servants for the
05:04:35.060
servants oh all you have to do is bow you don't do it you mean bow every day once sure once a day
05:04:44.660
no i'm sorry can i ask you questions if if there was a job that paid you a million dollars and you
05:04:51.940
were a greeter at the front of a restaurant and for some reason this restaurant was like
05:04:56.180
really really stupid with their finances and you part of this greeting procedure at the restaurant
05:05:01.540
is to greet each and every single guest that comes to the restaurant you just have to do like
05:05:05.620
a bow and they'll pay you a million dollars would you do it would i be a professional bow or yeah for
05:05:12.340
a restaurant for a million or it could be a greeter at the front of like a walmart or something
05:05:18.900
like it's i know it's a bit like silly or whatever but yeah it's totally out of the question i mean it's
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it's it's and it's a million dollars would you do it no you yeah i wouldn't do it i would so you'll
05:05:31.780
wave your hands around people doing reiki and shit for for one hour and you charge like a couple hundred
05:05:38.260
bucks but you won't be paid you won't you won't get paid a a million dollar salary to bout okay i mean
05:05:46.100
yeah i don't really get it but her opinion yeah yeah what i would wouldn't get her ground
05:05:54.340
would you do it for 10 million no it's not it you wouldn't by the way a bow is not like
05:06:01.300
a degrading thing to do in a in any capacity but certainly in like a work capacity if like
05:06:06.980
the job was like oh you just have to do a little bow as you greet the people that come in
05:06:10.740
you wouldn't do that that's not the job for me then no that's not what i'm looking to do in this
05:06:17.140
life so pass what that's okay yeah i mean it's just a pass it's just a pass
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every situation money is not important to you like that but you have these values i would quit this
05:06:29.300
fucking podcast if i could get paid 10 million dollars to just bow to people at the front door
05:06:37.220
but i feel like it's not about the money for her it's just about her like inner morals and what
05:06:42.820
she believes make them make the moral argument for why it would be immoral to bow it's an ego thing
05:06:51.940
if it was any other motion like maybe a handshake when you're greeting them would that be different
05:06:55.700
would you do that for 10 million dollars no because i'm not like okay this is about what uh
05:07:01.140
what i'm supposed to this is about like just purpose having purpose in life and my purpose
05:07:07.220
isn't to shake someone's hand for money isn't to bow to someone for money so this is purpose your
05:07:12.660
purpose is to like sell snake oil to fucking i'm sorry that's her purpose though that's the thing
05:07:18.820
like you're taking it deeper than like if that if she doesn't want to bow to someone because that's
05:07:22.500
what money is money is important to me so i'm bowing okay it's not important to her and that's not
05:07:27.780
her worth so she doesn't want to do it and that's okay so beautiful yeah thanks i i i appreciate it
05:07:34.500
i mean if that's not just if she don't want to do it then that's her life yeah it may yes i understand
05:07:39.540
it's ridiculous to you i would be i'm like girl 10 million no judgment no judgment if you want to
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bow like go for it go for it not financially smart i agree with that but i think i think it's like
05:07:52.740
you must be really happy with what you're doing right now and i love that for you then
05:07:55.620
love that i love it i'm so happy that you love that that's crazy he's 10 million dollars dude
05:08:03.380
that's like you could work for a year and be good and then do your purposeful work for
05:08:08.740
fucking free or something wait 10 million a year yeah it's 10 million in a year oh wow you work for
05:08:14.100
one year you're set bow bow bow bow who wouldn't do that you wouldn't do it for a year just to set
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yourself up with 10 million no no my life's purpose of for i can't pause it for a fucking year
05:08:28.900
to create generational wealth i don't understand the logic but yeah but who cares
05:08:34.100
as long as she's happy with what she wants to do that is her decision bro okay if she had like a sick
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family member that was like and needed 10 million to survive and then she wouldn't do it then i'll be
05:08:44.100
like okay i'm judging because like she he needs it but if he if she is happy and taking care of
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herself and doesn't want the 10 million give the fuck i would be thinking i would be thinking bigger
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picture like okay let's say you have this side this passion that you want to do and it's really
05:08:59.380
not about the money it's like in my mind i would just be like thinking about it logically and analytically
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okay i can't do it for a year but for that year i'm gonna go ahead and set myself up that i can do
05:09:12.020
that thing more or i can invest in that thing and start like a fucking business and i have all this
05:09:19.940
i have the slush fund of 10 million dollars to fulfill my dream of making this thing bigger
05:09:26.820
absolutely with these resources that i'm gaining through the i don't know that's just i wouldn't
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i have many i have many jobs actually no but i mean like do you have like a normal job i know you
05:09:44.660
do you have a couple hustles and stuff do you have like a main gig what's your main gig no that
05:09:49.860
is my that's my world yes i make money that's how i make money the reiki it's not no it's not just reiki
05:09:58.020
okay oh my gosh all right i'll leave it i mean i'll leave it there i'm just saying let the girl
05:10:05.540
be happy i know i feel like you should just drop it because we got a girl with a concussion that's
05:10:10.660
got a headache yeah all right yeah he's like sitting here staring in front of us this is
05:10:16.180
this is why the wage gap exists okay so anyways so anyways uh okay we'll get into your notes uh you say
05:10:24.180
that you when you initially reached out to us you have a complex relationship what does that mean
05:10:29.860
into the mic um we were just on and off all the time we didn't respect each other and okay we're
05:10:41.380
we're in therapy now so it's good now couples therapy um well i'm in therapy and i bring i bring him
05:10:47.780
and it helps you're in therapy for what um issues mental issues i have a personality disorder bpd yeah
05:10:59.380
okay is it pretty severe that's what my therapist said yeah okay uh you said in your notes you consider
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yourself an anarchist yeah i kind of do i mean i just i just prefer that um there be no rulers
05:11:15.780
um no rulers um no rulers like you know like dolphins they just swim in the ocean anywhere
05:11:25.780
they want they don't need a passport but those are animals we're talking about also like don't they
05:11:33.140
grape oh yeah yeah okay okay i wasn't going in that direction i mean yes i agree in law and order but we
05:11:41.780
did exist back then without governments that's without wait hold on there's always been yeah yeah
05:11:48.260
that's true wait wait wait but throughout all of human history there's always been hierarchies
05:11:54.180
there might not have been like formal establishments of government i mean there's been established
05:11:58.980
governments for like long thousands millennia long periods of time
05:12:04.660
no i believe like sorry i believe in like a hierarchy i just think like what you said our
05:12:12.100
civilization is too big and i so what should it be i don't know i feel like we should focus on more
05:12:20.500
like communities communities uh so i guess would people would there still be companies or corporations
05:12:28.260
in an an anarchy like selling products i notice you're wearing like glitter and makeup and you
05:12:34.340
have like your teeth are like bejeweled so there's like an industry and a corporation that produces the
05:12:40.340
things that you're wearing on your face yeah okay so you under an anarchy would there still be corporations
05:12:46.420
um we would be bartering and making things so there wouldn't be like massive multinational
05:12:52.820
corporations probably you'd be like sticks and you want to go back to sticks in the woods
05:12:58.420
um what do you what level of civilization would you like to go back to me yeah i honestly do want
05:13:05.300
to go back in time just to see it no like to live out the rest of your life you know like
05:13:11.220
bronze age iron age stone age i'm gonna be honest pre-industrial
05:13:15.780
pre-industrial yeah go ahead be honest i i i decided my political beliefs like 15 years ago
05:13:24.340
and i haven't really changed or thought about them so yeah i i don't really think about politics that
05:13:30.260
much wait so you became an anarchist 15 years ago when you were 14 yeah pretty yeah yeah okay but i i guess
05:13:37.700
you said you don't i'm not really political these are well it's not political oh this isn't a
05:13:46.340
political conversation okay this is like the structure of society okay like political i'd be
05:13:52.500
okay there's republicans they're democrats whatever this is like more foundational um
05:13:58.180
i guess as an anarchist though um how you you said you're against government right kind of okay so
05:14:07.060
let's say there's and you're i noticed you're wearing makeup right so you realize there's like
05:14:11.860
quite a bit of industry when it comes to producing makeup i mean i guess you can do so like you could
05:14:17.460
rub some dirt on your face or something or like put some berries on your face or some shit but the global
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makeup industry is like a massive infrastructure there's massive infrastructure systems etc okay so
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let's say one of these companies in order to out compete other competitors wants to just dump the
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the toxic sludge remnants from the makeup production process into an ocean that people are not ocean a
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river that people drink from what entity would you appeal to to stop a company or corporation from dumping
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toxic sludge into a river um parks and recreation which would be a government entity but you're an
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anarchist so how do you reconcile that i don't know but also don't you think like dumping toxic sludge
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into rivers bad yes how do we stop that though why are we dumping it in the river because humans are
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selfish and greedy and they'll cut corners to save or make money yeah so should we maybe have like a
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government body that can enforce laws that prevents corporations from dumping toxic materials into the
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river yeah so maybe you want to rethink the energy thing yeah right i hate with that one
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i mean just you know pollution environment my no my thing about it was just like um
05:15:52.580
maybe misunderstood it but like law enforcement like really not good yeah not good not okay question for
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you somebody murders your boyfriend who do you appeal to who do you go to to get justice well yeah in
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that situation probably the police will help but in a lot of situations they haven't helped so that's
05:16:14.580
why okay well look i'll be charitable and grant that uh the police force isn't perfect they make
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mistakes there's police misconduct police brutality police killings unjustified this definitely happens
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but as a general principle wouldn't you agree that we need some form of law enforcement
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for society to function yeah i just think it could be a lot better that's all oh sure yeah
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yeah absolutely there's ways that all sorts of uh industries or you know government bodies or
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whatever can be can be better i think it could be a lot better and also like
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because i couldn't ask for help you know that's why i got those views like okay i have to be independent
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can't really depend on other people but yeah it's not really is there anything else related to the
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anarchy that no i don't think you'd bring the cops yeah the cops and you don't like government okay
05:17:11.620
look there's valid criticisms of government i mean absolutely but i think you do need some sort of
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uh you need some sort of authoritative body to make sure that we have some checks and balances when it
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comes to individuals or group like for example individuals so criminals or even groups of people can
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form criminal organizations or you have legitimate corporations who do commit uh well at least what
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are crimes like they can pollute they can do all sorts of terrible things and somebody needs to keep
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these people in check or groups in check okay a couple other things you wrote here in your notes
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you said you were once traditional but the man that you're currently with pushes you to be
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egalitarian in terms of living together yeah do you pay all the bills no it's like 50 50 50. okay
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well yeah so he you used to be traditional but then he made you 50 50. yeah he's like why okay w him
05:18:15.460
yeah yeah honestly just kidding well i mean i guess if it works out for you i guess but you used to be trad
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yeah so you didn't but he kind of imposed his but what's more wait what's question for the panel
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what's more feminist she used to be traditional and that's what she used to want but the man the evil
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patriarchy imposed his will on her and now she has to pay 50 50 of everything or what's more feminist
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is it more feminist that he's funny brian he imposed his will on her well can i say one thing he also
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does a lot like he does the laundry like washes dishes helps me out he bows to oh
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i don't even know what my laundry room looks like anymore at this point because he has so many
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bitches doing laundry room so i'm kidding just kidding um okay uh your other notes you said you
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had three stalkers and one broke through your window at night i'm so sorry girl yep nice
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gotta love those stalkers the dating apps they're all from the dating apps
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that's why i don't have dating apps it's very dangerous uh and did you date these guys yeah you
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said most of them were addicted to cocaine in the whole relationship and you never knew yeah
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does that apply to your current no no well i mean well i would never know
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i hope not i hope not i didn't know before i don't know
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okay uh you said that two times you got your phone stolen by different people and one broke the phone
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yeah like guys you were seeing those were the stalkers yeah oh okay you were in a polygamous
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relationship with what you later discovered was a pimp for two weeks oh my god what girl your life
05:20:05.460
is crazy yeah crazy are you okay i don't no i'm not i'm not i'm all right
05:20:16.420
uh what was the story there he was he did he try to pimp you well yeah we went to like this big
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mansion party and he's in a billionaire's house and he's like oh my look at my girl like she's
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getting all this money like nudging me and i'm like oh that's what you want me to do and so i left yeah
05:20:39.380
okay um you also wrote that you went over to this witchy girl's house
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and she showed you a vial of her period blood oh my god i love these facts about you
05:20:49.780
you didn't see it as a red flag i didn't see it so wait you're by i was now i'm straight now i'm
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straight okay yeah that's kind of i guess kind of weird i guess i'm fluid i guess you said two
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different people vandalized your car because you told them to leave you alone yeah oh my god
05:21:13.220
good times uh you said you're you're moving to vegas soon boyfriend and i live there we
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you live in vegas oh cool okay wait hold on moving to vegas soon your boyfriend in new york
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knew about it for three years you're moving in a few months and his response was to put a shotgun in
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his what a hug mouth yeah i'm like oh my god these aren't even these aren't even the bad things
05:21:40.820
it gets worse yeah i don't know but i like block it out so i can't even remember honestly
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i'll say i understand now yeah oh he took a photo and he sent you a selfie yeah and so i called the
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cops because i thought he did something and then the SWAT team came and then he got sent to a psych
05:21:59.540
ward and he's this is the current boyfriend no that's my ex oh thank god thank god i was gonna
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ask that yikes okay you also wrote that modern dating will give you permanent irreversible
05:22:13.540
psychological damage that's true i see it yes uh okay uh you also wrote that you don't believe in
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marriage um okay i agree with you on there on that i guess and i was starting to be a marriage
05:22:29.780
and family therapist that's why i don't believe it anymore because i learned too much oh uh you do
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you used to do of did you do any other kind of sex work like stripping escorting sugar daddy um
05:22:45.220
yeah like camming a little bit no escorting though no um you did do show of hands who here's
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who's had the sugar daddy i'm not gonna lie luna no sugar daddy no no sugar daddy not ellie not
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didn't give him sugar but you there's there's sugar daddies that you don't need to give him sugar rock
05:23:03.700
and roll just give me money uh and then yeah we went over the pet girl thing kind of you love head
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pats apparently i don't know i just want to be coddled coddled i understand you i kind of get
05:23:17.940
nurtured i guess i'm missing that um you wrote here that on your socials you lied about your age
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yeah i used to because it helped with the of stuff or whatever yeah did you go older or younger
05:23:35.060
i would do younger okay yeah like how old would you say uh 21 was yeah no yeah okay
05:23:44.660
and then you never aged just 21 every year well yeah i just stopped posting i was like i can't do
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this anymore like that's what they all do you said you don't plan on meeting your submissives
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so it doesn't matter i don't know what that i don't you don't plan on meeting your submissives
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well what was the question i don't i don't know i don't you wrote like here's here's the full chain
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uh i don't feel you don't feel bad as so many only fans pictures are so photoshopped and such a lie
05:24:12.500
uh related to you lying about your age you said if men can be women and identify as burritos
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that's me uh just kidding i too will partake in this madness haha i don't plan on meeting my
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submissive so it doesn't matter i'm not sure oh like i could lie on the internet it's not like i'm
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meeting them like i'm not selling them i see what you're saying okay i'm just i'm just pixels online
05:24:36.660
so she's just pixels online okay uh let's see here a couple questions for you on the quick on the
05:24:44.980
questionnaire how tall are you minimum height of a man you would date um i'm five ten and three
05:24:50.660
quarters and i would date minimum like six foot but i've dated shorter but i didn't really like it
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okay gotcha uh let's see if there's anything else um oh uh really quick question for the whole panel
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and i'll relate it back to you uh do you think a woman's past should not matter
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going around the table starting with you i think it should matter um within a reason
05:25:20.740
um especially if not especially but if you have done sex work before i think that your partner should
05:25:29.060
have a right to know maybe because they have like certain issues with i don't know security and their
05:25:35.540
partner or whatever then they'd want to i don't know have somebody that's more modest i guess
05:25:43.220
sure what about you i think it matters but you can't judge someone if you've done the same thing
05:25:48.100
so if you've 100 people you can't judge your girlfriend for 100 people that's how i feel
05:25:53.620
okay i don't really understand the question uh like body count one example would be but i mean it
05:25:59.380
could relate to other things too like if she was involved in sex work or whatever oh well it's the past
05:26:04.260
it shouldn't matter um but as it relates i guess mostly the body count should a woman's
05:26:10.740
past matter not really okay what do you think i think it depends like for me personally i care like
05:26:17.460
about like a man's past that matters to me so mine would matter too okay sure what about you what do you
05:26:24.660
think luna i think it matters just because everything you've done in your past kind of
05:26:30.820
relays back in like lessons and how you act like your past kind of pushes you to either change or
05:26:37.140
whether stay the same so okay what about you uh yeah i think full transparency so i can make a
05:26:44.500
a full transparency okay what about you i totally agree all right well uh going around the table what
05:26:50.580
uh is your body count starting with felicity two zero
05:26:58.740
yeah i don't think yeah i don't really feel comfortable saying that
05:27:02.100
ballpark hey what don't i thought you were trying to escape
05:27:06.020
now i just got my fucking fat ass on this small chair is like uh do you want to do a range ballpark
05:27:11.060
it uh ballpark 22 30 okay uh one nine one yeah okay what about you nine nine okay that's for my
05:27:23.780
boyfriend's no ballpark you want to do a ballpark you want to do a range me yeah uh yeah like nine
05:27:31.380
like nine did you lose track yeah it's more than nine yeah hey uh you gotta tell come on you gotta be
05:27:40.180
on give us a uh give us a ballpark all right into the mic
05:27:47.780
well okay let me be real like be real like after surgery like i've had surgeries on my body you're
05:27:54.900
trans no no oh my god i thought really i don't know the way you framed that i thought you were
05:28:01.940
trying to say you were transition no no no no no but like okay like i didn't have sex for a while i
05:28:08.820
was like a like a born again virgin like celibate so like i started my body count again after that
05:28:15.620
because yeah wait so but you want the whole body count yeah what was it yeah like like less than 25
05:28:27.940
less than 25 okay when you you said there was a born again virgin phase yeah what age were you when
05:28:37.140
you became a born again virgin 25 okay and you're now 29 so wait did you tell your now boyfriend that
05:28:44.500
you were a virgin no like i have not had sex for a long time like okay i had surgery like no one's
05:28:54.180
touched me like i feel like a brand new person what what surgeries have you had done i have my boobs
05:28:59.060
and unfortunately labiaplasty yeah it makes me cry every day why because they amputated it all
05:29:06.340
it's like gone r.i.p it's sad it wasn't like that yeah hashtag hashtag big labia matter yeah
05:29:16.660
fucking what about big areola do they matter um uh i they're fine i people are born how they're born
05:29:27.220
and you should just be happy you should just enjoy your partner for how they look and
05:29:32.020
i'll be ceo of that one congrats on that i guess i mean look i'll be ceo but yeah oh my god you got
05:29:42.500
the labiaplasty yeah you and you regret it uh every day i cry every day why because they like i just
05:29:50.260
like has it changed the sensation yes but i just wanted like a little bit gone because like one of
05:29:55.380
the labia was really small and the other one was like longer and like it bothered me so i wanted
05:30:00.420
more symmetrical but he just hacked it all down and he yeah both sides to the nups there's like
05:30:06.900
nothing and now now it's just a slit a slit yeah it's really it looks like no i'm not gonna say
05:30:12.900
it looks like hulk hogan homer simpson homer simpson
05:30:16.100
it's still enjoyable for you it's okay but it's not as good the sensation's gone and also like
05:30:23.780
the labia lubricates your vag so i have to use like a loop i'm hey this is what i'm doing this is
05:30:30.180
see i'm i'm against the labiaplasty me too you should be a spokesperson okay yeah spokesperson for the
05:30:39.460
i've we've had a couple girls come on say they got the labiaplasty man it's sad man it's sad
05:30:44.580
uh a cat dies for every woman don't say that yep it's true he said it's true it's true that is
05:30:55.540
a fact wow um and can i ask what was the motivation like did you have an ex that gave you flack have
05:31:05.140
you heard have you heard insensitive jokes made by dudes like what what was it my ex just was like i
05:31:14.020
like innies and i was like really like self-conscious after that that's um yeah it's usually what guys
05:31:21.860
say that that's why i got surgeries here and there um but also like i i do want to be perfect i mean
05:31:30.900
everyone does so yeah damn anybody here ever felt self-conscious about their penis size
05:31:40.020
very i'm so self-conscious mine's so small my penis size is it what wait hold on can you repeat
05:31:49.620
that question you heard it right babe you heard it right yeah oh all these luna i know you're kind
05:31:56.260
of like the odd one out all these women are trans you didn't know that no oh we thought that's the
05:32:02.900
point of the pocket nick i told you to get a trans girl dude what the fuck are you kidding me nick
05:32:09.620
i'm just joking these are all as far as i know maybe somebody's bamboozling me these are genuine
05:32:16.820
homegrown i have a peener women okay has anybody ever here been shamed though for the for you know how
05:32:25.380
you are no no ever anybody experienced that no there's a cute kitty cat it might be fab but it's
05:32:32.340
cute yeah there's a lot of shaming language though they roasty that's only well beef
05:32:38.740
curtains wizard sleeve wizard sleeve arby's meat curtains roast beef very offensive i it pisses me off
05:32:51.300
i'm offended it pisses me off people should not be talking this way
05:32:57.460
look i don't think we should shame men or women for their genitalia or anything about their body
05:33:11.540
well i was gonna say we should shame people to not get plastic surgery yeah and so this would mean if
05:33:20.340
nobody got plastic surgery you can never shame them for it i think we should be appreciative of how
05:33:26.180
people are uh naturally without the interventions of plastic surgery who here has plastic surgery
05:33:36.260
do you you have plastic surgery you have plastic surgery early girl girl her tatas
05:33:44.180
so that is a very personal question how's that that's not personal yeah it is just why is it
05:33:52.660
personal why is that personal it's silicone silicone silicone my dear my dear you don't have plastic surgery
05:34:14.420
really oh okay what do you mean really really yeah really do you brian really really she can just
05:34:22.340
have natural jinga jingas jingas jingas jingas jingas jingas jingas jingas jingas
05:34:27.940
i don't know what's called pg so you don't have plastic surgery i'm saying that's just a question i'm not
05:34:34.500
willing to answer that's all and you can move on from it you could just said my piece
05:34:43.300
why why would you be uncomfortable admitting you have fake titties i don't understand that
05:34:48.580
i just they're jinger jingers jingas jingas not titties
05:34:53.620
yeah of course yes all right all right whatever i'm not gonna press it but it's just kind of
05:34:57.540
whatever uh wait felicity i need to stay for a bit because i need to get up here in a moment um
05:35:02.260
okay so anything else you wanted anything else no thank you so much for having me
05:35:09.060
or do you want to just sit there for the rest of the show my heart hurts so bad well how about this
05:35:13.300
do you want to wait how long uh we are going to try to wrap this one up on the earlier side tonight
05:35:18.900
we have tylenol oh yeah and we have ibuprofen yeah i forgot and do you want to sit on the couch for a
05:35:24.100
couple minutes just to okay okay let's do that oh what a gent oh so nice hey i have i get headaches
05:35:31.540
too because i got uh like neck injury that that bothers me all right let me read some chats and
05:35:37.060
then i need to get up for a sec then felicity you're gonna take over for a moment while i get up okay
05:35:42.900
these are uh ellie can you read this for me okay get control of your discord we all left high schoolers
05:35:50.580
are a new low for you also there is no wage gap it is all made up by feminists
05:35:57.380
andrew wilson is a grifter all right i don't know who this is i'll look into who this is
05:36:02.420
bro this is one of the reasons i didn't want to do a discord is because uh it kind of devolves into
05:36:09.860
drama uh typically not drama that you've caused just people start fucking bickering and fighting and
05:36:17.620
they can't work this out on their own um i'm not look i've received some messages that there's some
05:36:25.140
disputes or whatever going on i think it's really inconsiderate to send this message and there was
05:36:32.420
some drama that went down last sunday can you guys address this shit not while i'm doing my live stream
05:36:41.540
like it's just bring this to me on a tuesday a wednesday not while i'm trying to do my stream
05:36:49.620
uh i don't know what kind of weird coalition is on the discord that like okay we're going to
05:36:55.380
collectively i don't know the details of what's going on guys i'm busy dealing with other stuff
05:37:01.620
the like interpersonal drama that you guys are engaging in on the discord
05:37:05.700
somebody needs to give me time to process all that because there's multiple parties
05:37:12.420
um it's something i'm looking into but the drama that's on the discord is and the specific drama
05:37:21.780
has been very low priority i have other shit i'm working on other shit i'm dealing with
05:37:31.300
it seems like there's a bit of coalition building which is kind of seems a little like
05:37:38.180
i don't know whatever why don't you guys more clearly address the issues don't do it while i'm
05:37:45.220
streaming that's i don't know that's kind of weird i guess but okay see you guys uh master monkey man
05:37:51.620
can you read this one a kleptoparasite is an animal that deliberately steals resources and food from
05:37:56.980
another they retain hosts by seeking them emotionally or economically dependent
05:38:02.420
examples include seagulls and human women oh there we go monkey man 34. master monkey man
05:38:14.180
these are they spent a hundred dollars to answer those two questions you spent a hundred dollars just
05:38:18.500
oh wait did we oh body count though we didn't finish body count body count um it's not anyone's
05:38:24.500
business but my partner's but i am sexually active and i like to have sex ballpark yet
05:38:30.020
i don't who gives a fuck if you want i think everyone deserves to
05:38:34.740
to fuck and love and have connections and it be a slot how many guys are you currently not having sex
05:38:40.500
with i'm only having sex with women right now women okay got it ellie what about you body count
05:38:45.780
zero word okay uh read this one for us ellie ryan here's a hundred dollars to help you find your
05:38:55.700
dream elephant ear labia l chair number three uh withered withered thank you for that man i do
05:39:02.580
appreciate it thank you appreciate it um okay uh christopher scott thank you for the super chat
05:39:10.500
man if you can read this one too so you get to tell us how to be masculine men but when we say
05:39:16.340
what feminine women are you'll lose your mind give me a effing break
05:39:24.100
what do you think about that i feel like that's kind of directed at you a little bit just a tad
05:39:29.540
uh um when is it i mean be more specific about you know what what are we what are we saying about
05:39:40.820
feminine donation to specify yes like a champagne pop more clarifying details please all right
05:39:48.660
christopher if you want to send in a clarifying message it would be appreciated thank you brother
05:39:54.980
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05:40:33.860
um yeah man it's look really quick just final thought on the discord thing i know most viewers
05:40:39.060
have no idea what this is this is like involving maybe a dozen people um i think it's fair if you guys
05:40:46.420
have like if there's certain issues in the discord like maybe there's uh you have criticisms of
05:40:53.060
maybe how things are being moderated that's perfectly fair those things can be addressed
05:40:58.100
but those things are going to take time i'm not going to make an instantaneous decision especially
05:41:02.180
when most of this was just brought to my attention like a week ago i'm not going to address it instantly
05:41:07.620
i'm going to get people's perspective i'm not really getting clear-cut feedback from people on it
05:41:13.140
and also i do think it's fair for me to point out it's kind of it's very unfair to be started like
05:41:20.100
creating this kind of drama while i'm live on the show obviously i cannot like address the specific
05:41:29.380
like issue while i'm doing the live stream have some consideration as supporters that i'm not going to
05:41:38.340
be able to like read your dms and investigate on a show day like that's not going to happen guys
05:41:46.340
so bring it to me on a tuesday bring it to me on a tuesday and i'll look into it i've been attentive
05:41:53.780
with it in the past before but it's not going to happen on a sunday when i'm in the middle of a show
05:42:00.900
just saying so and honestly i think you guys could talk this shit out amongst yourselves i'm telling
05:42:07.380
you it's like some high school fucking drama or give me something actionable that you want me to do
05:42:14.980
tell me what you want me to do and i'll see if it's reasonable and i'll do it but if you're not coming
05:42:20.580
to me like if you're telling me some shit about some shits going on in another discord and you want
05:42:25.540
me to be an intermediary between two people who are bickering on another discord what am i supposed
05:42:32.340
to do so either figure it out between yourselves talk to each other or come to me with what you
05:42:41.220
think actionably i can do anyways back to the show um like the video if you're enjoying the stream
05:42:48.580
thank you and oh join the discord of course well guys we've recently had an exodus of people from
05:42:56.500
the discord we're clearly going to need to replace our numbers because they're i think uh you know
05:43:02.180
a couple people left the discord so you should join it pull it up pull that shit up
05:43:09.380
pull it up the discord join the discord let's see it pull it up hello
05:43:18.580
uh and then why don't you go to here scroll up scroll up no no no uh on the sidebar yeah
05:43:29.380
uh let's do behind the scenes guys there we post a bunch of behind the scenes
05:43:35.220
and uh oh yeah that's funny so kylie brewer said she was trapped felt trapped but she left
05:43:43.780
multiple anyways whatever she was on for a debate she's a fucking weirdo
05:43:46.900
uh anyways we're going to get back into the pre-show notes i need to get up momentarily
05:43:54.100
uh i'm trying to think if there's anything else that i need to touch on really quick
05:43:58.660
really for the perfect guy you wouldn't bow that's crazy
05:44:05.620
um that's crazy that's to you yeah everyone's over it
05:44:13.860
and that's okay that you think it's crazy but not crazy to her yeah and i love that for her yeah
05:44:20.340
but here i guess here's the perspective it's it's like i want the guy to pay for a first date
05:44:25.540
that costs x man has to work x amount of hours to pay for that first date
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but i won't do something like completely benign and arbitrary that takes like no effort doesn't
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cost any money takes three seconds just like but that might cost her something inside we don't know
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inside you think men want to do work some do yes well bro men do it as a means to an end like if we
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lived in like some utopian society where there was
05:45:02.420
do a different topic it's so okay you're stressing yourself out yeah
05:45:05.700
how about this um has anybody here ever moved shifty when it comes to dating like you've done
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some grimy shit like you've done some grimy shit nobody luna you've done some grimy
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seems like it oh it seemed like you were about to say never mind i got that totally wrong
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question for the panel what years were world war one oh world war one yeah smile faded real fast oh my
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gosh man i only remember up to world war ii with uh what was that 1935 right and well that was going
05:45:44.740
to be my next question what years were world war ii what nobody will go one by one 1935 to
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1940 right okay what about you yeah like 19 sorry not years just years doesn't have to be
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fucking march like 1920 something to 40 i don't know for world war one i don't fucking know i don't
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care and then dates for world war ii i literally don't know and i don't care oh guess guess i don't
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know i just guess throw it out there fucking i just 2000 when was it no just guess that
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just guess fucking 1930 and 1940 and then 1940 and 1950 love it what about you uh history is never
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my strong suit but i'll say 1909 to like 1915 for world one 1909 to 1915 something like that
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world war ii world war ii 19 29 to like 1936 cool what about you oh i honestly have no idea and
05:46:46.740
it's kind of so embarrassing my mom's a history teacher it's embarrassing you do not know a random
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fact no i feel like it's one of those things that everyone should kind of like know just guess
05:46:56.660
because everyone learns um oh god world war one 1908 to like 1915 okay and then world war ii
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is or what i think would be like 19 27 to like 1932
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okay what about you i legit don't know if i were to guess world war one would be
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around the 30s and maybe world war two around the early 50s
05:47:36.260
uh what about you um world war one like 1935 36 and then world war ii 19 like 42.
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to when to when oh when to when 1942 to 1951 okay well felicity
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just guess guess guess like 1910s world i know world war ii was definitely before 1942
05:48:04.740
my grandpa talks about that all the time i don't know like all right i'll tell i'll give you guys
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the dates world war one 1914 1918 world war ii 1939 1945 i said i said 30 to 40 and i said that
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way off wait let me just double check that oh yeah okay i was right okay boom
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all right and i can name all the presidents and who gives a
05:48:30.260
fuck that i know that like why do you who cares you can name all the presidents every single one
05:48:34.820
yeah i'm really impressed how about this name ready are you ready no i'm not okay name three
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countries go three countries brazil uh korea and um uruguay was that one of them cuba zimbabwe
05:48:56.340
and um madagascar three countries spain italy greece three countries morocco japan
05:49:04.820
belize belize three countries um australia argentina u.s
05:49:15.300
next panama uruguay did you say uruguay yeah oh paraguay and no no repeats brazil sorry
05:49:23.220
canada no repeats uh usa i thought you did poland ukraine okay uh name three continents
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i don't like this because i don't think it's a it's like name three what i got felicity's gonna
05:49:40.980
take over yeah i don't know what this segment like i don't like the idea of like trying to make
05:49:45.460
something europe asia i'm not i'm not gonna keep going because guys i don't i don't care about that
05:49:52.420
yeah no washington adams jefferson mass okay i have a question what would you want the yearly the
05:50:00.580
minimum yearly income to be for your future husband oh 100 grand annual yeah yeah what would you want
05:50:08.580
ellie uh like 80k okay like 100 grand i said minimum for husband minimum yeah uh probably like
05:50:16.900
like say 70 80 i would say like 80 to 100 what about you yeah like a 150 minimum where do you live
05:50:26.980
california yeah it's expensive there wait what part yeah it is santa vibra okay okay that's fine then
05:50:33.380
like 70k okay um pretty normal answers how tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would
05:50:42.260
date i think i'm 5 7 i don't know i could get fact checked with the measuring tape but i think i mean
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i don't know if this is hypergamous but if peter dinklage went up to me and wanted to be my husband
05:51:03.060
then i'd be like of course but like baseline i think probably like my same height or maybe an inch
05:51:09.540
shorter who's peter dinklage he's a little person he plays in uh game of thrones he's very short
05:51:16.020
oh he's in the back person little person little person isn't he on um game of thrones he's like
05:51:21.620
tyrian i love that interesting what about you um i'm 5 11 and 5 11 or above just 5 11 i am 5 11
05:51:31.860
okay i'm like 5 11 yep 5 11 thank god if i was short and fat oh no so at least a long
05:51:39.140
and what is this i have to say i love the popsicle thing i love that who wants popsicle i do wait are
05:51:46.820
they flavored what flavor rainbow rainbow flavor that is rainbow sure yeah i want a gay popsicle
05:51:54.020
please okay what about you uh i'm like 5 4 uh i don't really have a height requirement but maybe like
05:52:00.820
5 7 or 8 would be nice would you date someone shorter than you i would think about it it's not
05:52:06.500
like something that would like immediately turn me off if they have like every other good quality
05:52:09.700
then sure like how much shorter same thing peter dinklage came up to me really yes i love him
05:52:18.020
i love him he's so good and he can sing and he can sing you guys just see brian's face right now
05:52:23.460
peter dinklage he can sing and i would go for him they want to date tiny people
05:52:27.860
okay but like just just him though just just him no other tiny people i i don't know i haven't met
05:52:37.780
any other tiny people but like if they're like super cool then shoot okay so if you did meet a cool
05:52:42.820
tiny person you would maybe and if they can like treat me right then sure okay um i'm 5 9 but i think
05:52:51.460
the shortest i'd go is probably like 5 7 5 8 okay but you're 5 9 yeah
05:52:59.780
these are good uh yeah okay so you would date someone shorter than you yeah okay what about you
05:53:06.420
um 5 4 and i'd probably go 5 8 okay i'm 5 10 um and i only say this because my dad is 6 7 so i'm like
05:53:17.300
i want a guy like 6 2 and above because if i brought a short guy home my dad would be like
05:53:24.500
they'd be like intimidated by your dad yeah so i need somebody pretty tall tall sons
05:53:31.540
okay um would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike random random
05:53:41.140
random man okay what about you the fucking random man okay random man random man random man random
05:53:48.980
man random man oh my god thank god i but you said last time right i didn't say bear absolutely not
05:53:55.780
no because i think that's ridiculous because polar bears black bear like they're thank you babe
05:54:00.900
they're missing it to somebody is this man or who's who's one there's like three of us that need
05:54:04.980
one um okay thank you because if we're talking about a random man like the that's like they're
05:54:12.580
we're talking about them being like essaying you or killing you but a bear random no i know that's
05:54:18.260
what i'm saying i'm saying the what the woman would be scared of of the man is doing those two things
05:54:21.860
and i feel like not all men are doing that there is a percentage but all bears are going to kill you
05:54:27.860
so if you're a woman and choose the bit and choose the man and so i mean the bear that's crazy okay you
05:54:34.100
guys all said man that was easy do you guys think men are more superficial than women
05:54:43.780
um like when it comes to dating in specifics um i'm sorry okay the water um oh thank you
05:54:52.100
i don't know i feel like both can be very very superficial i don't know well you circled oh that
05:55:01.540
you do think they are oh okay well yeah i guess they can be more superficial when it comes to like
05:55:08.660
one night stands and stuff like they definitely you mean like based on looks based on looks i feel like
05:55:15.860
women usually take into account more aspects about personality than men do yeah popsicles i don't
05:55:24.260
know this is i guess i've ever i know i guess only three people get them oh god oh oh oh me
05:55:31.700
three more do you want one no thank you they're talking about how good they are i know i'm like i'm
05:55:36.180
telling you i'm sorry i'm like eating it in front of your face are they different flavors each thing or
05:55:42.820
is it um yeah oh like i don't know if i think men or women are more superficial wait what was the
05:55:50.660
question that was the question it says our men are more superficial than women and you circled that
05:55:56.340
they are maybe i was just projecting what do you think what do you think oh sorry um name again oh my
05:56:07.860
god my name my jerry my name my name is audrey i do plus size modeling and and social media stuff
05:56:16.580
and i went i had a viral video i mean a spam account and i put cherry as it was cherry moonshine
05:56:22.340
i went viral on that and it kind of stuck and now all my fans call me that so it's like i kind of have
05:56:26.180
to go but it's very stripperish and very porn story but who cares i love it um so my name is audrey
05:56:32.580
but what was the question men are more superficial than women do you agree um i think so a little
05:56:38.740
bit i think well oh this is so chaotic um i think popsicles was a bad decision thank you wait what
05:56:48.500
the fuck these are so good i told you you guys i'm sorry i apologize it's okay um i think women
05:56:55.140
sometimes are then more than men for sure i feel like like superficial by themselves or in like general
05:57:00.420
like like i guess towards the man um no i don't i think i think men are superficial towards women
05:57:08.340
too like i think both can are capable i don't think more than other like a man won't come it to a woman
05:57:16.100
that he doesn't find attractive enough yeah but is it the same for women i really don't think i don't
05:57:22.260
i think women like i feel like i've seen i don't know in public like that's another thing when he's
05:57:26.900
saying like when i see married couples like gorgeous women with like ugly men like don't
05:57:31.380
you see that way more often i feel like i don't know that's why i feel like i see that way more
05:57:41.860
someone said would you rather run into a bear or chair too because she would eat you yes i would and
05:57:46.340
i'll sit on you too well what would you be scared you tell him i'll crush you and eat you hey don't
05:57:58.020
don't if you're gonna do that don't slurp on the fucking oh my god i was doing it
05:58:03.620
god damn that's fucking gross oh my gosh i was doing it oh my gosh brian
05:58:07.860
you hear that shit loud and clear yes they're really mad right now probably they are mad
05:58:12.420
okay so what were you saying um i don't actually know i i got yelled at so i don't remember
05:58:26.900
i don't know either honestly i really don't know what i think about this question i don't know
05:58:30.740
what do you think um i feel like men are more superficial but like um i i i feel like women
05:58:40.340
don't really get the opportunity to be superficial because guys don't really like
05:58:44.260
take care of themselves as much that make sense like i don't agree with that okay well i have seen
05:58:52.900
some pretty musty guys but i've seen some musty women i feel like it's pretty equal but girls we
05:59:01.220
like to dress up and stuff guys they don't really most of them that's what i'm trying to say yeah like
05:59:05.300
yeah but like you're saying we don't have the option to be superficial no i think we do have
05:59:12.580
the option i just feel like not as much as guys like everyone here is so beautiful like women are
05:59:20.020
just i don't know so they're magical yeah i don't i really know how to explain what i'm thinking right
05:59:26.660
now do you like medium ugly guys i heard someone say that earlier um kind of yeah i guess okay
05:59:36.260
so then you're not you wouldn't call yourself superficial yeah yeah okay what about you
05:59:45.620
with my experience i feel like a lot of men tend to be more superficial like i have seen a lot more
05:59:51.300
women date ugly dudes than dudes date uglier women like objectively compared to them
05:59:57.460
i think women we have the ability to dress ourselves up like you saw the gender swap things
06:00:06.820
you liked your picture true so i mean maybe if they had some makeup and like
06:00:12.900
or like if men get a decent haircut yeah half the time they like glow up a haircut haircut is like
06:00:18.500
their makeup wavelength of makeup and sometimes facial hair i don't really like facial hair i don't
06:00:24.180
even like facial it's too it's too much too much it's scratchy and you're kissing them and stuff
06:00:29.220
it's like i like a mustache you like a mustache okay i like a little mustache a little one but like a
06:00:35.220
a curly q one is crazy i didn't like i didn't like it before what changed your mind my ex-boyfriend
06:00:44.100
get a little mustache i liked it what was my question oh men are more superficial than women
06:00:49.700
what do you think um i think it definitely depends i think women are given more of an opportunity to
06:00:55.860
be more superficial with like access to makeup and like we get to do our nails and dress up and
06:01:03.780
you know kind of be able to show off ourselves in the best way men are actually able to too but i think
06:01:14.180
if you were to like offer a man makeup or something or like i don't know why some men think
06:01:18.900
that skincare is like gay they think clean your ass is gay yeah no my brother had the worst acne
06:01:27.380
and me and my mom were like oh here's like a bunch of skincare stuff and he's like no that's gay
06:01:32.500
well a lot of men the ones that i've met they don't even wash their face and their skin is like
06:01:38.180
that's my brother my brother doesn't even wash his face with water and it's like clear it's never get
06:01:45.060
that shit wet no okay it's dry he avoids the water actually like i was like do you even like when
06:01:51.540
you wake up like splash him what he's like no it's like poreless flawless like the best skin i've ever
06:01:56.900
seen in my life oh i'm very jealous let's be nice i think it's our makeup that breaks us out it's our
06:02:02.580
makeup and all the other products that we have yeah what do you think you think men are more superficial
06:02:07.780
than women i think that women are more superficial i honestly like we we harshly judge men on like the
06:02:17.620
dumbest shit ever and sometimes we can just be a little like a little rough um because i think we know
06:02:26.980
what we what it feels like for us to be very beautiful and sensual and we do the practices that
06:02:36.180
that they don't so i don't know i think we could be a bit harsh on them when it comes to that in
06:02:42.660
what ways like looks like i mean have you ever not gone out with a guy because like maybe he had like
06:02:50.500
i don't know weird like something weird on his skin or something or like bad skin or like um
06:02:57.380
i don't know like hair like maybe he had a bit of hair on his back or and it was and you're just like
06:03:02.340
no like that's a hard no no pass i think i don't know we're so we're so quick to judge
06:03:08.660
for like those little things i i told i said earlier i like weird guys so no
06:03:18.260
what about you um sometimes i feel like it's 50 50 but i'm leaning more towards women being superficial
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i wouldn't say that i'm more superficial but i guess women collectively but i don't know because
06:03:34.500
a man like won't look at you if he doesn't find you attractive i'm saying all day and i'll go all
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day oh what what does yours say it says remember to say please and thank you with a little man oh
06:03:54.020
there's messages oh mine just says positivity that one's cute mine just says spread a sunny outlook on
06:04:00.100
life i love they're usually jokes oh there is a man on it wait what the hell there's a little
06:04:06.580
man on the bottom oh he's wearing a bow tie and glasses oh my god it's so cute bye that's funny
06:04:15.780
all right um let's see we have a chat coming in here from uh okay
06:04:25.940
this is for you ellie if you want to read it ellie you're too young for a show like this
06:04:29.620
i should be on i am seething with jealousy i tried crashing the stream via phone call but you
06:04:34.820
didn't pick up also landlack says you're a fake cell chud do you know that rings some bells from fish
06:04:42.580
tank okay what's a fake cell a fake cell is someone who is posing to be a uh incel which i never claimed to
06:04:52.820
be oh why are they calling are they calling you a fake cell yeah they're calling me a fake cell
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even though i've already said that i'm not a cell of any kind hey guys here's what we're gonna do
06:05:05.140
uh we're gonna do 69 tts we're gonna lower the tts if you guys want to get a roast in or something
06:05:10.260
so 69 tts sorry didn't mean to cut you off there i don't know if you want to finish your thought on the
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fake cell um yeah they made me like say this a million times but i'm not an incel because girls
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can't be incels but i am true a vocelle because i'm you're a voluntarily yes celibate well yeah until
06:05:29.540
i get married but are you actually waiting until marriage yes okay but who knows i could get raped
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i don't know oh my god it's kind of funny well not not funny oh no wait hold on how am i the bad
06:05:47.220
guy now it's just like because it's not a joke i don't know i oh my god she didn't even smile
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yeah she meant it it was funny in the sense that that came out of fucking left field
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not that she would be essayed that would obviously not be funny uh guys though tts 69 69 tts if you
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want to get a little message in there it is 69 tts get it in boys get it in because we i think this is
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gonna be an earlier show tonight gonna try to wrap it up wrap it up soon hey chill out felicity what the
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fuck i want to go to in and out me too i literally was just thinking about that oh my goodness yeah
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maybe if we will do lol i haven't had in and out in so long i've been thank you for sharing i've never
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been in and out are you serious i'm from arkansas okay well now you're in california you guys all have
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to go get in and out animal style wait have you i don't even know i was about to ask ellie if she's
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ever had in and out but she lives in san diego so many answer she lives in like oklahoma or some
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shit where where is uh fish tank based um is that in cali or where is it uh east coast oh is it like
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super secret it's not super secret i'm not asking for like a city just is it what state is it in
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long island rhode island oh rhode island okay i didn't know to the extent like how secretive they
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want to keep it so okay that's cool uh guys 69 tts get it in get it in boys get it in uh i'm trying
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to think if there's anything else um there's a couple more show notes we need to go over there's
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the questionnaires no bear nobody picked nobody okay nobody picked bear did you do the income yep
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uh we'll do that really quick felicity do you want to ask them the income question i already
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asked that oh you did they gave they did the income yeah oh okay rock and roll all right we'll get in
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we'll dive into some pre-show notes then like i said guys tts is set to 69 if you want to get one in so
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blasting through these we did you feeling okay you feel a little better a little better all right
06:08:06.580
that's good uh jillian uh okay you said plenty of dating stories one that sticks out the most most
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recent included your ex who you were on and off again with for about two years a couple weeks back
06:08:21.860
you're seeing a different guy and your ex tracked your location followed you to where you guys had gone
06:08:27.620
came out confronting us and then the dude you were with ended up fighting the ex or whatever
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yeah busted his lip pretty good and your ex was mad and broke his windshield in retaliation
06:08:39.300
so filed a police report and got fired from his job yeah rock and roll elaborate on that story
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it's pretty straightforward i'm not gonna lie but yeah um it was before i had met my current
06:08:52.260
boyfriend obviously and i was talking to this other dude and he was over at my house and we were kind
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of just hanging out in my garage and my ex pulled up to my garage like drove past my house and like
06:09:02.900
came back and then got out of his car came into the garage while we were sitting there and just
06:09:08.260
threw down with this other dude and the other dude took jujitsu so he like
06:09:13.220
threw him around and then my ex like head butted him in the face and that's why he like busted his lip
06:09:18.100
and then they broke a piece of furniture and then yeah uh i guess he left and smashed the guy's
06:09:23.060
windshield whoa yeah good times i ended up i love that it was kind of sad oh you you paid for it well
06:09:30.260
yeah because i felt bad because i like i was like talking to this dude but we weren't like a thing
06:09:34.980
so i was like i feel bad that your windshield got smashed here let me pay for it wait so you're
06:09:40.420
you were off with your ex though when this happened yeah because you said it was on and off yeah we were
06:09:45.060
yeah we were off how long had it been off a couple months at that point but we were like
06:09:51.780
kind of talking again but we weren't like together at that point you were talking again but you were
06:09:57.300
seeing another guy not like seeing seeing like we said the guy were you wait so this is your current
06:10:06.100
boyfriend because you said you've been in a relationship or is this somebody else this is
06:10:09.620
somebody else this is before i met my current boyfriend oh i was like shortly talking to this
06:10:16.580
one dude for like a month and it like did not last and like i said we were just talking like okay so
06:10:22.020
you were on a date with the new guy i wouldn't call it a date like we were just we were hanging no we
06:10:28.500
were not we were hanging out okay that's all it was and you just got jealous yeah uh
06:10:34.420
uh uh okay and um yeah so you fucked up the dude's car you said i fucked up no the the x oh yes he
06:10:45.860
fucked up the guy who you're with yes and then he that's a bitch move dude you don't you don't
06:10:51.700
fuck somebody's car like yeah all right um we talked your other notes we already did going to you
06:10:59.300
you said you've never had a boyfriend oh no we we did this already yeah you want to talk about
06:11:04.740
purity and dating dating to marry financial aspects of dating anything there you wanted to touch on um
06:11:12.740
oops sorry what is like everybody like when you get married or if you don't want to get married
06:11:19.380
like have a long-term boyfriend um what is the financial aspect of like do you want him to pay for
06:11:26.740
all the bills or are you gonna go 50 50 that's what i was wondering because me personally i would
06:11:33.700
want him to pay for everything if i'm you know providing what i need you know yeah that makes sense
06:11:42.100
no i've been over talking so i need it going down the line sure yeah yes babe that's a good idea okay
06:11:50.660
okay personally i know this is not like the right fit for everybody but i think it's nice to be able
06:11:59.300
to be subservient to somebody and have them in return like i don't know for give you everything you
06:12:07.060
require in terms of like having a family and stuff and supporting you through motherhood if that's what
06:12:13.300
you so choose i was looking for my pen but yeah i think if i'm going to are you trolling no if i'm
06:12:23.140
going to be a genuine position if i'm going to be a homemaker then i think it's reasonable to think
06:12:29.300
that your husband should you know finance i agree i think if you're doing all this stuff for him he
06:12:40.340
should be helping you pay bills and stuff but in my world like i don't need someone who's a
06:12:45.140
millionaire because i'm going to be a millionaire myself so i can financially take care of myself
06:12:48.740
but as long as why can i can i not be a millionaire i believe you could be one
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i what do you mean could be one oh whatever whatever you are one could be one i think you
06:12:59.780
could be a billionaire too oh a billionaire i believe in you brian why don't you believe in
06:13:05.780
me oh that has a ring to it brian the billionaire exactly bb b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b
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um i mean realistically i i mean maybe it could happen but probably not you don't even know me like
06:13:22.340
that no i'm talking about myself oh okay yeah i don't that's why you can't manifest because you
06:13:26.660
don't believe it yes okay that's the most retarded thing i've ever thought oh my god
06:13:30.820
bro it's you okay you know what's interesting how many millions of people believe in this
06:13:37.380
manifestation bullshit how many billion how many billionaires are there if this manifestation
06:13:43.940
shit actually worked wouldn't you just manifest yourself into becoming a billionaire you're taking
06:13:49.540
it so deeply checkmate this shit doesn't work like you didn't manifest what you have right now like
06:13:55.300
your career you're like this is this is your dream right you must have talked i should be offended at
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the suggestion that manifestation is the result of my success i didn't say that i said my hard work
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yes and diligence but and hustle is my not not because i put out into the ether happy vibes and
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good feelings hard work is the result and the precipitating factor of my success love that for you
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yeah no good vibes fuck that shit it's not about good vibes it's like that's some hippie
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fucking new age bullshit hear me out work hard work hard have a bit of luck right place right time
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that's success that's what i'm saying like i i believe in it because i've everything i've spoken
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into i have like i've like i'm really starting a life for myself now and i moved to vegas and all these
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things are happening like i came from a very abusive home and lots of bad things and i feel
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like i literally wrote down my dreams every day and spoke them into existence i didn't work honestly
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like the things that i got i like got on accident i didn't like work hard for them unless it was the
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things i had to work hard for but like the things that i wanted and like dreamed for like they came
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true true and i don't i just say it's true because it's happened to me like so like the dreams that i
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wanted i spoke into existence i wrote them down i put them in my notebook and then now i'm starting to get all
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those things so i don't know if it's a co-dink-a-dink or if it's manifest station i agree with brian on
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this one because like for me being an mma fighter i can't just write down oh i'm gonna knock a girl
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out like i have to put in so much work to do that and then i'm a christian as well so manifestation to
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me is kind of new age like you said um i think if you manifestation is like the new age prayer tactic
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that's what i'm saying so isn't it manifestation like the same thing like speaking to a god or
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speaking to a spirit or whatever like if it's speaking to the world you know it's like if you're
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you believe in god isn't it the same thing like kind of manifesting to god in a way like someone
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out there listening some some being or something like why is like believing in god not foo-foo i
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don't think it is i'm saying like and then being a manifester is like i feel like all of it's foo-foo like
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the fact that we're on a earth that is floating and we're all living like all of that it to me is
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so unbelievable that anything can be real in my reality like god can be real manifest anything can
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be real in my because we don't see that stuff and so just question for you uh parents who have a child
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who has terminal cancer the only thing that they're doing wrong is they're not manifesting
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enough you're taking it literal i'm not saying i'm talking about even these manifestation people
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believe that you can cure illnesses i don't manifestation i don't think i think it's
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more like okay so you pick and choose when you can manifest i'm saying you're taking it so little
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and like being upset like why does it matter if a girl a delulu girl wants to be like i want to be
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rich and i want to have this and like that's manifesting and then that's talking and if they
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believe it then that it will come true that's what i'm saying like if they believe it so much that
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they'll start like doing things that will bring them into that light maybe because truth should be
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elevated above like but it's not hurting anyone who cares like if they're like if they're just
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everyday writing down in their notebook like if i'm having a conversation on a conversational
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podcast i'm gonna be like yeah i think that's kind of bullshit yeah that's but like i don't like
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forum post and oh my god these manifestors these pieces i don't give i don't think about it
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any more than i have to outside of it coming up on this podcast okay but i can tell you just
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from my perspective yeah that's it's bullshit it's bullshit and that's okay that you feel that way it's
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not that i feel that way i know that no that's okay that you know that that's very close-minded
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why is it how's it close-minded you're not even opening up to the possibilities that something could
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exist without you having already to have it physically manifest sorry go ahead go ahead
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you're not you're not even allowing yourself to open up your mind about things appearing from
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nothing so you think if it's if i can't see it i can't believe it um there's just there's there's no
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rigorous proof that this thing actually being able to manifest actually exists i mean i'll be a little
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bit charitable and say that having a positive mindset can yield you certain benefits in life
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but the actual this idea that i like have you seen the secret you know that's fucking bullshit oh i uh
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i used to get bills all the time and then i uh uh pause the the the law of attraction i manifested no
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more bills coming to me and then the bills just stopped i didn't even pay the bills they just
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stopped the bill stopped coming it's like the fucking dumbest bullshit ever oh i manifested a
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parking spot motherfucker you did not man anybody who's seen the secret knows exactly what i'm talking
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about yeah oh i thought that there would be an open parking spot and i manifested that shit it's like
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no there happened to be an open parking spot so if someone says i prayed on this i prayed on this to
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happen you're talking i'm secular so your appeal to religion is not going to work on me although i
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think no that's why i'm asking i'm saying i have positive sentiments towards religion but okay make
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your religious argument well it's not i'm saying if someone was saying i prayed on this to happen and
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then it happened would you tell them that they're crazy that it came through prayer prayer
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uh if they prayed on something like what's the difference like give me an example of something that
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happened like a sick dying child and they pray over their child and the child is miraculously healed
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and the doctors don't know what happened like you can't just say oh that prayer doesn't work i would
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i would say that maybe they prayed but as somebody who's secular i would not be ready to say that due to
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their prayer that was the causative effect yeah what the the reason for this miraculous healing or whatever
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right you don't believe in miraculous healings at all well it depends what we mean by miraculous but i
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wouldn't link it necessarily to uh well okay some people use the miraculous in different ways
06:20:26.740
they might mean it to mean literally a miracle occurred or they could use it more figuratively like
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pointing towards that but there was just a low probability that that would be the outcome
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and they're using it more in a figurative sense so i mean i don't know but like if my
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child had cancer i would not resort to prayer to address their cancer i would bring them to
06:20:55.940
i would seek out appropriate medical intervention to address their illness
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okay so do you want to direct it at the christian though she can answer this better than i can
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like yeah so like yeah do you feel like a prayer like because i feel like people pray for lots of
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things like oh i pray that my daughter gets into a certain college but what if the daughter's
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manifesting that they go to this college like what's the difference between praying on it and
06:21:20.500
manifesting that's what i want to know like what do you think is the difference like do you think
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praying that your daughter goes to college like do you think that answer can be answered by god
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but manifesting can't one question though before she answers it do you do you believe in manifestation
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i believe in some regards i think that you can't manifest
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then by extension do you believe in prayer i i believe i believe in every i respect everything
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believe in everything i really think that there's like possibility of every way of life
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because this world is so fucking crazy that i believe in it like why why you're allowed to
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say whatever opinion and then i say something and he goes oh my god and what i'm saying is so
06:21:57.940
realistic and the fact that you can't grasp what i'm saying is so realistic i'm literally like
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i respect you i respect you i've been sold a lie what is the lie a lie what is the lie we live on a
06:22:09.380
spinning planet that is floating in the world can you explain that no it's science is explain no
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that's why i'm saying science is their science explanation there's science there is an explanation
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i i mean i'm not uh like an uh astronomer or whatever i'm saying how it started like we know
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that this is happening and even the science behind it doesn't make like that doesn't make sense like
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what the yeah but i can't fly you can't i can't fly so there are some things that are not within
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the possibility of like physics or math or just biological reality yes but religion and and prayer
06:22:46.420
and manifest like what that's not like manifesting that you can become a bird that's mental illness
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okay but manifesting and writing down in your journal as a like just being like human human like some
06:22:57.540
flight like you flap your arms yeah that's a mental illness if you think that man like there's
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things that manifestation like and i feel like it's for the person too like to constantly be thinking
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about it and speaking it's like they're gonna make that happen because they're always it's always on
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their mind like i feel like it's a tool to use to get where you want even if you don't believe in it
06:23:16.180
full-heartedly like that bro hollywood is full of optimistic people that wanted to be
06:23:21.620
rock stars and movie stars and actors actresses all these industries i'm telling you people people
06:23:29.460
had the most the highest level of optimism and they'd work at mcdonald's or they're a server or they're
06:23:38.900
doing xyz not everybody's gonna make it and when you start telling generations of people oh you're
06:23:46.580
gonna everybody's gonna be a fucking rock star everybody's gonna be no there are gonna be
06:23:51.780
people most people are gonna work some bullshit job they're not gonna have some fucking crazy at
06:23:58.820
least as portrayed i think you can have like a great life but it's gonna be within the confines
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the the rail guards of like a more modest existence but when you have people saying oh well with through
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manifestation we're going to have people living everybody can be a rock star and a billionaire
06:24:18.020
and famous and all this shit you're teaching people to be uh disappointed in what's inevitably
06:24:23.620
gonna happen not everybody can be a fucking rock star not everyone wants to be a rock star
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uh i think if or famous or an actress or an actor you you think the guys who've been working 30 years
06:24:37.300
making pizzas like that's their end goal that's like yes this is my ultimate uh you know
06:24:47.860
some people don't believe in themselves like some people don't have like that's what i'm saying they
06:24:51.140
use the tool as like why is that a problem for a girl to like believe in this thing that's hurting
06:24:55.860
no one and being like you have to be delulu sometimes to get what you want it's not a problem
06:25:00.500
it's not that's what i'm saying it's not issue to like it's not hurting anyone for someone to think
06:25:04.100
that there's an energy out there that's pointing them in the right direction that's what i'm saying
06:25:07.860
like you're shaming this thing or saying that it's so fake whatever like who cares like it's helping
06:25:12.820
people reach their dreams and it's it's one thing to be like this is like telling someone this is real
06:25:17.460
and this is and whatever but if don't tell someone else it's not real to them because it is i disagree
06:25:22.420
i think well i think it's perfectly fine to pursue your dream but you should do so realistically and
06:25:29.380
and that's such a sad way to live though like why no you can still you can still make a good
06:25:35.140
faith effort to pursue that like higher calling or whatever whether that's to be famous whether
06:25:40.420
that's success in business but i think approaching it realistically is i think will actually make you
06:25:49.780
work harder to actually make said thing happen if you're living in delulu land and you feel like
06:25:57.220
this thing is owed to me it's going to come to me i don't believe that you're going to take the
06:26:02.900
requisite steps to achieve said goal if you're just like well i'm just going to manifest and it's just
06:26:08.260
going to come to me you're not going to take the appropriate action unless you just believe that
06:26:12.820
everything in life just comes to you it just gets served on a silver platter but as somebody who's
06:26:17.780
hustled and grinded i can tell you trust me you're going to be hustling and grinding if you look some
06:26:23.620
people have it easy sometimes they just get lucky something comes to them but i'm telling you if you
06:26:28.820
actually want to succeed i think it's far better to come from a place of hmm this is not owed to me
06:26:35.620
but i want it and i'm gonna get it through my action not because the fucking universe owes it to me
06:26:41.540
because i'm putting out fucking energy but because i'm gonna work for it that's what's gonna get you
06:26:47.140
there not this bullshit of oh the fuck put out the good vibes no if you actually want to achieve
06:26:53.620
that dream come at it with the right mindset of i'm gonna work so i can get it i agree you need to
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have both i'm saying yes like you have of course have to work for what you get but like at the same
06:27:06.020
time you're allowed to have those like it doesn't like get in the way of it of each other unless you
06:27:11.380
let it unless these people are like that all they believe in is manifesting that like they don't
06:27:14.660
don't have to work they're sitting on their couch and they're like i don't have to do
06:27:16.980
shit because the manifesting god is going to bring it to me of course like that's crazy but a girl
06:27:21.700
just being like a hard worker and being like please like can i get out of this can i do this can i have
06:27:26.820
this like that's not an issue manifest girls right now i always was under the impression that
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manifestation requires you have to do the work but i have a question yes i have a question
06:27:39.460
wait if it requires you to do the work why manifest like what because it's part of an
06:27:43.380
aligned action you can't just say something and expect you have to move in action you have to
06:27:48.740
create action for something to be brought to you is the point of manifesting well just do the work
06:27:53.220
and don't manifest it's the fuck you're not like looking at it in a different lens like i don't
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think you truly understand the definition of manifestation that's the problem all right here
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i'm gonna let some chats come through uh oh boy wait let me just
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uh liquid brain i can't pull it up but uh i'll read it because there's a couple words i just gotta be
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careful tos ellie it's seth fuck these stupid strumpets and the uh rotund woman
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put these geniuses 200 iq geniuses in their place winky face featuring never dies md tv baby
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that's a fellow contestant on the show oh okay yeah seth yeah okay thank you seth appreciate it brother
06:28:57.140
sweet guy all right cool sons of liberty donated 69 dollars b i almost drowned from a bad wipeout in
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nicaragua lost my hearing for a month what's one of the scariest maybe even deadliest wipeouts you've
06:29:14.100
experienced panel would you date a surfer okay show of hands would you date a surfer show of hands would you
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date a surfer i have i have uh my worst wipeout it was like uh double overhead at ring con
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and my leash snapped and i had to like i mean it wasn't that bad uh but there you know like
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like got held under a little bit and then uh almost drowned but wasn't that bad but almost drowned
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but i mean like it wasn't whatever um manifest me
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that was funny like stop like i literally told you you're a funny man you can't even laugh at one
06:30:01.940
of my jokes i have you know people i i have a uh very high threshold for what i find funny
06:30:10.260
i think it's because i watch too much stand-up comedy and it's like
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uh well i got beef yeah i got beef against him because he he said very uh uh not nice things
06:30:26.740
about large labia so oh yeah i did hear about that so i don't think his but but to be fair i
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don't think his humor is really my my kind i'm more like i like dave chapelle i like old school bill
06:30:39.300
burr now he's fucking kind of woke whatever um dave chapelle uh what else who's some good comedians
06:30:47.620
kevin hart no no you don't know uh mitch headberg uh one of these mitch headberg
06:30:54.020
uh one of these other guys who passed away forgot his name oh patrice o'neill of course can't go
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anyways whatever you guys don't know what the fuck i'm talking about um
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base trinaut donated 69 dollars thank you man appreciate it what you think about
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thank you dude thank you thank you appreciate it brother
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we have another one coming in here patty d oh it's gonna just be a read i might have you read this
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had he donated 100 nevermind manifestation is literally an alternative form of prayer
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people are just attracted to it because it sounds mysterious and because there are no consequences like
06:31:39.140
traditional christianity consequences thank you patty appreciate it man thank you thank you
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our yay donated 69 this is our yay i sent you the land lake message you've officially made it bigger
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than any previous fish and i am happy for you i just don't get how you got here you have no dating
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i asked the same exact thing rea but thank you for keeping me in your prayers
06:32:11.700
also wait didn't you say actually no i'm not um question who here has tattoos me
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show of hands tattoos you have tattoos tattoos tattoos tattoos no tattoos tattoos tattoos tattoos
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should we do a tattoo chin i can't show mine they're like on my ass okay i have my whole thighs
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blast i'm good never mind change my mind change my mind uh okay guys if you want get it in 69 tts
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i think we finished pretty much all the notes you said that monogamy though in your notes is not natural
06:32:47.300
why is that i mean you read um well well yeah it's your position if you want to just i just like
06:32:58.180
it's from what i learned in anthropology it's a it's a fact that i learned that i want to talk about
06:33:04.900
that you don't want to talk about no i do want to talk about okay um so like my professor was saying that
06:33:13.140
males genitalia is shaped that way like on purpose um to scoop out yeah we get it come from like another
06:33:24.020
dude um yeah like that's just how we were built um which makes me question like why are we built like
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that why are you built like that yeah i i don't know i i like to look into nature when i ask questions
06:33:42.180
um but yeah that's why i think monogamy might not be natural and um they're like we have all these
06:33:52.340
laws i don't know i i don't know i just yeah but were you actually asking why we were built like that
06:34:00.740
yeah i can probably guess because of evolution that you would want for posterity your bloodline to
06:34:09.860
continue so by eradicating the other sperm you'd be impregnating with your own you know allowing your
06:34:17.780
kids to prosper so like so it's like a survival thing you well yeah the continuation of their bloodline
06:34:28.900
so awkward all right what is do you believe in monogamy um are you monogamous with your boyfriend
06:34:36.900
well yeah i'm monogamous but i used to be polygamous and when i introduced myself to him
06:34:41.620
i told him like i'm naturally polygamous but i'll do monogamy
06:34:46.820
monogamy okay um so you're saying monogamy is a social construct yes like an innate yeah biological
06:34:57.220
i mean if even if we were just i'm not even certain on that but even if we granted
06:35:03.060
that yeah there it's not like some innate thing biologically or evolutionarily so
06:35:10.180
i'm just like i've been thinking about this because like
06:35:13.940
i don't know the divorce rate is so high like why like you know maybe we're doing something wrong
06:35:22.820
with monogamy i don't know why would why would that be evidence of something wrong with monogamy just
06:35:32.100
like couldn't that be something else going on culturally societally that could impact divorce rates
06:35:46.100
yeah like okay i don't know like why why would they cheat on you if we're supposed to be monogamous
06:35:54.020
i don't know bad people well maybe we're naturally not supposed to be with one person
06:35:59.060
forever maybe we're supposed to you know spread our genes some animals are with their mate for
06:36:05.140
life like swans yeah like they don't go with they don't go to the other pond to get another
06:36:09.460
one you know our closest relative the bonobo they are like polygamous pretty much like
06:36:17.060
fucking sluts like those fucking bonobos i've never cheated on anyone she knows it
06:36:24.260
do you have a problem with sluts i have a problem with bonobo sluts let the sluts be sluts
06:36:29.140
i think people that cheat have a lack of self-control absolutely and they're lustful and it's gross
06:36:35.140
yeah it's a more problem within themselves yeah i hate them i feel very strongly about that okay
06:36:41.300
anybody else want to weigh in do you think monogamy not the natural order of things what do you think
06:36:47.700
about genghis khan w what do i think about yes w genghis khan i mean besides like the killing and
06:36:55.860
shit yeah i don't know what to think about i think i might be related to him that's all i can see the
06:37:02.420
mongoloid features in you wait does she have blue on her a little bit i'm russian okay um these questions
06:37:16.020
all right what do you think about genghis khan i think he was pretty cool um
06:37:23.860
i mean how what's the percentage of people he's like related to or like how many lives he had i'm
06:37:31.220
saying that's a conquest if i had ever seen one and he really like he's really salt of the earth
06:37:37.380
i feel when i hear genghis khan i'm like that guy's dope if if you uh ellie if you could go back would
06:37:43.220
you be one of his concubines one of his many wives i don't know how they had it set up there i mean it
06:37:49.460
could be really rough shit being a concubine hey maybe there's some benefits too oh yeah i mean i don't
06:37:57.940
know all the names of them so there's not that much notoriety to being a genghis khan wife yeah
06:38:02.580
but he probably gives you food from time to time you know that's a really good point it was rough back
06:38:08.100
what year was this it was rough well then oh wasn't it uh shit when was that i don't know
06:38:15.940
bc that's a great point it was 2001 we'd all be hashtag blessed to be a genghis khan wife was it
06:38:23.860
before the year 1000 i actually i was it before the year 1000
06:38:32.660
i don't know mongol congress i don't know gengh khan like that i won 13th and that was gonna be my
06:38:38.740
second guess 13th and 14th centuries my second guess those centuries sound pretty rough so who uh
06:38:46.740
that's cool for security i would be we have a chat here for you i yay donated 69 landlake says he
06:38:56.420
hates you i think he means it i kind of hate you too you were supposed to answer my call and put me
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on speakerphone so i could crash the show i'm so sorry i don't have my phone i wasn't allowed it it
06:39:09.940
it was confiscated good times uh let's see here uh okay i think you know what chat we're gonna lower
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the tts we're gonna do a 29 roast session we're gonna just get into the roast session we'll do
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let the roast session go then we're gonna get this wrapped up all right roast session boys
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this 29 tts get it in if you want get it in if you any final thoughts from any of the panelists
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speak now forever hold your peace brian do you believe in the placebo effect
06:39:47.140
oh uh is it dating related i don't know i feel like we should okay yeah never mind
06:39:52.180
uh sure yeah sure it's a thing why well it's just kind of like tied to a manifestation
06:39:59.620
like i don't know like if you if they give you sugar pill and and it heals you and there's nothing
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there that's kind of like manifestation but that's just the placebo effect and it's real
06:40:11.380
um i would have to i i'm obviously familiar with the placebo effect i'd want to look more into it um
06:40:23.060
um the way that it like for example uh the sugar pill would not cure cancer yeah i mean look i don't
06:40:31.620
know whatever yeah we gotta look more into it uh oh we have some chats coming through here uh
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marshy marsh donated 69 dollars roast time chair one moulin two butter beans three period blood vial no
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roast needed four white chick from hustle and flow five mooshu from moulin six retaliation
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it's a female wow wow okay that was interesting that was a good one
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this is black cut zero donated 69 dollars so you want to go back 800 years sweet
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is that that's you oh i mean i like my creature comforts of the year 2025 so if i had the choice
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i think i'd stay okay good times good times hold on i'm getting this all set there it is shift
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jet donated 29 dollars the fridge is speaking more than the snacks has she tried manifesting weight loss
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oh boy i have it hasn't worked so i guess man if it doesn't work by the way guys felicity's been
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gone for the past two weeks so you need to roast her she's missed a couple roast sessions so
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get it in if you want to get a roast in uh let's see yeah pretty much makeup oh hmm i'm wondering if
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there's anything toasty to finalize the show on like i need to do uh how about this uh who here
06:42:11.940
thinks a man should be willing to die for his girlfriend like take the bullet fine wife we can
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do wife whatever personal preference yeah like do you think wait can you fix the oh i'll have one my
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staff fix it um no don't worry about it it's all good thoughts opinions you say husband did you say
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uh i mean it could be girlfriend it could be whatever
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i would take a bullet so i think we should both oh girlfriend okay girlfriend yes wife yes and
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likewise yeah wife and husband should want to take a non-fatal for both of us then yeah yeah you could
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die life partner type shit well yeah there's too many factors you probably will die if you're shot
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then you're in love with someone you should want to like take like i would want to take a bullet for
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the person like my love when you say those vows till death do us part yeah i mean i'm down for that
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yeah only wife and husband though i don't think yeah yeah i wonder if till death do us part so like
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what if they're a stalker though and they like like you only agreed to be with them both like not in heaven
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because like i could see myself dating a chick and and she's like trying to hit me up in heaven when
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we're both dead and i'd be like nah bitch i said till death do us part so we parted ways so
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fuck you and heaven gonna hit on some i'm gonna hit on these heaven you would marry someone that you're
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you're telling me you would marry someone the your wife would die like then straight enough you
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would marry someone death do us part yeah hang on the vows till death yeah and then i gave you my
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life i'm hang on i'm reading out for you babe um you're doing that and then your wife tragically
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dies too soon my love of my life dies then when you reach her in heaven you say fuck you
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bitch i'm fucking the hookers that's what you say that's less than you're going to hell i think that's what
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that's basically what you said instead of like going to your wife and being like i missed you
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baby a monogamous relationship until heaven with um yeah and there's like some baddies in heaven
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wait i thought you don't do the religion thing so why do you believe in heaven maybe there's heaven
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or whatever oh you only believe what you want to believe right oh only little pieces of it oh okay
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i love that i'm just saying look i said till death do us part
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i didn't say anything about heaven absolutely you just said heaven what are you talking about
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come on i mean bro i mean i didn't say we would be together in heaven he's just playing around with
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semantics no she's playing around with semantics she's calling out for cherry picking but she's been
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cherry picking this whole time oh oh oh felicity oh shooting shots no it's not to be mean it's
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i'm just i'm just being honest would any of you date a guy who had a gay voice but he was
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definitely straight check the shit i'll help you out here's a demo oh my god ellie you are so cute
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oh my god he's a really great guy right great guy definitely straight to like definitely straight on
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hrt for me oh no he's just he speaks gay okay what if i wanted to like i don't know like him
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no she hasn't even had a kiss i'd be like dude i like need to like i don't know strangle you a
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little bit so that your vocal cords get a little more scratched up so you sound a little more manly
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it's effective strategy or like i can hire you to like choke him out for a few minutes
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and that could change things i don't know if that works really no people have actually tried
06:46:16.740
people have actually tried to hire me to like fight people for them and i don't want you to fight
06:46:22.180
him i don't want to watch you fight so bad wait question do you think you could beat up every
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girl here pull it up you should pull up one of my fights it's only a minute long like my debut
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i used to be a bouncer do you think you could beat her up i used to be a bouncer wait do you think
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you could beat me up yes you could beat me up in the way not beat up but like submit yes yeah like
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no get it she's on my back i'm done i'd bow down to you before and just be like wait no no but if you
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guys were in a fight for realsies i don't know i was a bouncer so i do know how to fight i only i only
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train with guys like i'm training with guys 170 plus like i can pick water i'm picking guys up
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like i'm i'm actually handling their body weight so yeah yes um can you tell us how much you weigh
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that's not your business sorry but a big as fuck yeah you can see me i mean it's not a secret but
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i'm so sorry um because she was saying she could big you like she can't pick me up yes i can i'm
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telling you i can no i'm not lying i'm not lying wait i'll know if we no no she needs her give me that
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thank you just fill up the oh oh my gosh but if she gets me to the floor or gets on my back and
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chokes me like she's winning like i i'm not like unless i like sock her in the face and knock her
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out like my overhand's pretty strong but so is my right hand i mean i'm telling you pull up my debut
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yeah i want to see your face it's only like a minute nine dollars seat six has crazy expectations
06:47:56.180
and has not said anything substantial on what are you seat six uh yeah that's why you're 40 plus
06:48:02.660
without a husband or kids think about what you expect versus bring do you want to respond to that oh gosh
06:48:09.460
come on give a response a little rebuttal oh the the fact of not having a husband and kids is
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because i that was a conscious choice that i made not because i didn't have several opportunities in
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this lifetime to pursue that it's a very personal choice on why i chose to go a different route
06:48:31.860
hey girl oh my gosh based thor donated 30 dollars obby's removed the roast beef from the menu but i
06:48:45.220
ain't tripping i've been having roast beef every day since my wife had the kids now i'm just playing
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i don't go down there that's ski as hell hashtag blm it's gay as hell to eat cooter that's gay as hell
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all right your xd donated 30 dollars it's interesting with all of the age gap arguments
06:49:07.860
on the show in the past that one of the more rational guests in a while is a girl in high school
06:49:12.740
yet 40 year old believes in brain-led manifestation
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wait what vector donated 30 dollars thank you man brian why not get taylor swift on the pod and
06:49:36.580
have her tell everyone she's felicity felicity could then be decked out in anime clothes and
06:49:42.180
be a standing prop miss the props where is gustavo
06:49:49.540
uh damn gustavo has been gone for like a year plus at this point um
06:49:53.300
he's i think he died in a terrible train accident just kidding he's alive no he's just got a
06:50:02.420
different job base i tried to give him back though
06:50:07.540
100 bucks if she can pick her up nah you gotta pay more if you want to see that's
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fucking 20 day entertainment uh well first off i don't even would you be willing to
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no i'm not gonna hurt the girl she cannot pick me i mean i love you for thinking that but i'm big
06:50:22.820
girl so i'm not gonna let her hurt her back because she's gonna be a professional mma fighter
06:50:39.460
top troy thank you for the 10 on venmo thank you man you're
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fucking legend sir appreciate it twitch.tv slash whatever drop us a follow
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like the video 30 tts we have our boy here coming in lost haveris donated 29
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jessix you old hag pull the stick out your flowers to the fridge put the cookie down
06:51:06.180
all right thank you lost avarice appreciate it man appreciate it uh let's see uh um
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i think the final thing i want to discuss i mean should we do the bullet convo oh do we we could do
06:51:31.940
makeup too i guess yeah let's do makeup uh put it center zoom all right so we have a segment on the
06:51:48.180
congratulations take the makeup off take it off enjoy enjoy and then you're going to hold it up to
06:51:56.180
the monitor so we can see the girl the before you're gonna you're gonna do it oh she's waiting
06:52:06.260
all right all right hook it up you're gonna do it no but i'm gonna say i was gonna think
06:52:11.860
next time if i do go on again i'll bring my actual makeup remover stuff and do it she's
06:52:15.540
bougie no you can i cannot remove this makeup with that stuff like my stuff's what like really
06:52:20.500
waterproof what do you mean this is some primo no this is like the dollar store i got the honest
06:52:25.540
wipes over here like i need coconut oil and like like this is like waterproof he's so funny
06:52:32.260
next time i will because i'm not afraid to be with no makeup i just want to look like a raccoon
06:52:38.180
hold it up hold it up hold on let me look here hold it up spread him wait what the
06:52:44.740
fuck oh spread the the makeup wipe all right honestly i think some of y'all ain't done y'all got
06:52:52.180
y'all need one more y'all need one more one more
06:53:02.820
uh nick you can pull up the super it's below the threshold uh if you want guys the we're just doing
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tts through streamlabs.com slash whatever super chats don't trigger tts streamlabs.com
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slash whatever uh 30 tts um mary remember the the thing we're gonna do at the outro
06:53:30.020
yeah you're gonna do that right away guys stay stick around for the end of the stream because
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we're gonna be doing something really cool during the outro screen something new
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uh i don't know maybe it'll be interesting uh it's only like 30 seconds so be sure to stay tuned
06:53:44.980
until the very end of the show a little cool thing there uh we're not wrapping quite yet but you know
06:53:54.820
so do any of you want to speaketh on any topics
06:54:08.980
topics you're about the tea up brian yeah we covered it last uh last show i'm pretty sure or was it the
06:54:14.900
show before i think it was two shows it was yeah you were gone rude uh it was two shows ago i think
06:54:22.100
we covered it i uh i'm also starting my own app i'm starting a an app i didn't know what the
06:54:29.860
big app was and i got it i thought i thought it was like tea on everyone and i saw it was only men
06:54:37.060
i was like looking myself up on there seeing if anyone posted about me i was like what did you uh
06:54:40.900
take the makeup off and you want to do that i'm not taking you don't want to take it off not all of it
06:54:46.340
okay good talk um uh final thing here uh do you think it's beta beta if a guy's not willing to die
06:55:07.860
no like he's not willing to he he's letting you sacrifice yourself so he can survive
06:55:19.780
again we're talking like husband life well you don't want to get married so just right so it'd be
06:55:24.340
like yeah my guy yeah um i don't i don't think no he should because i would do the same for him
06:55:31.780
oh you do the same yeah okay so all right i hate it when they say that i would do the same
06:55:39.060
it's like damn i can't all right i guess that's fair i guess that's fair if you're willing to do
06:55:43.940
for them then it's kind of fair if you want them to do for you like i feel like you shouldn't kill
06:55:46.980
yourself for someone who doesn't want to do it for yourself you know juice 69 donated 30 dollars
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thank you five is flawless chair two needs to find a nice little comment there's a little nice
06:55:59.780
comment for uh for luna there thank you juice what about my nice comment that was a really nice
06:56:05.060
comment what species of animal what did you not hear what they said no what'd they say they said
06:56:11.940
i need a chair two needs to find a husband at the zoo oh my god that's so funny probably the elephants
06:56:20.980
or like the rhinoceroses oh my gosh what other fat animals are there gorilla hippos oh my god i like
06:56:29.940
them chunky whales at a zoo rhino like right now sea world oh yeah i've counted all all um
06:56:38.420
all right guys final call final call on the roast final call on the tts i'm tired final call early
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show tonight early show tonight get it final call guys if you want to get one in 30 tts if you want to
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do a roast you can roast me roast felicity roast is there anything we're missing nick that we uh
06:56:57.620
uh there was really quick this article i'll just pull it up i'll go over it 30 seconds yeah um
06:57:06.100
so i don't know if you guys know the movember movement it's been going on for i don't know over
06:57:11.300
10 years or something i think it's been infiltrated by feminists or something and they've redirected a lot of
06:57:18.340
the apparently i just skimmed the article so pull it up so movember rips off men's health dollars
06:57:27.220
feminist takeover uh scroll down i'll just read a little bit of it it was a great idea charity
06:57:33.140
started by a couple of ozzy blokes persuaded men to grow mustaches to support the prostate cancer
06:57:37.940
foundation 20 years later movember has grown from that small group of men
06:57:42.020
uh sporting hairy upper lips to become the major male health charity in the world
06:57:47.940
every november in country after country blokes blah blah oh my god i can't just get to the point uh
06:57:57.300
little do that do they know that this huge enterprise run by a feminist and supported by mainly female
06:58:03.060
staff is increasingly committed to diverting men's health dollars away from real male health concerns
06:58:09.460
towards woke projects promoting anti-male ideology if you guys want to read the rest of it
06:58:14.980
it's there on that i guess what was that sub stack or whatever uh basically you know that november's coming
06:58:20.100
up whatever uh there's a lot of fundraising for certain male causes but they're like i guess diverting
06:58:26.180
money away from more traditional places that they used to put it to
06:58:32.340
like i think it or pull the article back up really quick there's one point that was really interesting scroll down
06:58:36.980
um um where is it six i saw something like uh scroll down
06:58:45.860
the leadership is 70 percent female scroll down damn there's something i saw that like scroll keep going
06:58:52.660
keep going down scroll down scroll down wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait go up just a bit
06:59:11.700
they then turned around and announced 160 million for women's health and zero for men in the budget mind
06:59:18.580
you this is like an organization that's always been geared towards advocacy for men
06:59:24.180
so scroll down a little bit oh right okay so three and four on the lives involve men but 60 percent of
06:59:34.500
people helped are women uh so i mean i think it's great to help women in that capacity but
06:59:44.020
i mean it's a men's advocacy organization or at least it purported to be uh you can read the whole
06:59:50.660
thing though it's sub stack kind of fucking bullshit so if you've supported november in the
06:59:57.940
past i'd recommend you not because it's i mean look you want to go support a woman's
07:00:05.140
charity go for it but that was specifically advertised as a male charity and they're clearly not
07:00:11.940
uh holding up to that promise so anyways just wanted to weigh in on that we have some two more
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chats coming through then we're going to get wrapped up nice felicity's back who donated 30
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she can become a millionaire if she sells that's just stupid like that's not even funny
07:00:33.380
all right 69 donated 30 i think they're talking about me though elifton large seal maybe blue whale
07:00:40.500
oh okay what it's okay hold on let me see if that's weird uh not sure why i did that there it is
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this trinaut donated 29 thanks bam there too you're so beautiful and plus size personality
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sweet feminine and funny thank you sized heart thank you hon
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your xd donated 30 dollars in other news women ruin everything they touch
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to give you guys perspective this would be like if men infiltrated women's breast cancer
07:01:39.140
um fundraising charity or whatever and then they're like they became the majority in the company and
07:01:46.820
they're like you know what all this money that we are getting on the backs of the goodwill of
07:01:51.380
women's breast cancer we're going to divert it to men's prostate cancer research like that's kind of
07:01:59.140
why it's kind of scummy you know it's scummy uh look we should pursue all kinds of cancer cancers that
07:02:06.740
affect women cancers that affect men but uh it is pretty scummy to
07:02:15.140
and advertise yourselves as hey we're doing male advocacy and then be like no we're just going to
07:02:24.820
i agree okay all right um i think yeah we're all done okay cool so i want to say gg or i'd like to end
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this another nobody here does or you do of right yeah i guess all right you should just quit that
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shit anyways uh gg gg well played to the panel last call hit the like button please on your way out also
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