Brian KICKS OUT Rude Girl？! 40 Year Old VIRGINS？! Andrew Wilson! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ｜ Dating Talk #142
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6 hours and 4 minutes
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Summary
On this episode of the Whatever Podcast, host Brian Atlas is joined by his co-host, Kiki, as they discuss the death of the late Akira Toriyama and the impact it had on the way they grew up.
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Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating
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hellscape. Thanks for tuning in tonight. Nick, you can hide this just for the intro. Thanks
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for tuning in tonight. You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with
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me. I appreciate that. I very much apologize for our late start. I'm going to tell you
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a couple things went down before the show, so I'll tell you guys after I get through
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my intro. You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me. I appreciate
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that. We're coming to you live from Santa Barbara, California every Sunday and Tuesday, normally
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at 5 p.m. Pacific. I'm your host, Brian Atlas. I'm joined by my co-host, Kiki. She's back
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Link is in the description. This is a members-only Discord. You can gain access via our Patreon,
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patreon.com slash whatever. Also, I was going to have this whole thing, but it's just, was
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scuffed today. So this episode of the Whatever Podcast is dedicated to Akira Toriyama. Rest
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in peace. DBZ was a huge part of my childhood, and I suspect for hundreds of millions of other
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men and boys. So, yeah. We, I was going to do the, there's this whole thing, but today's
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show got scuffed, so maybe next stream. But, oh, disclaimer, the views expressed by the guests
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do not necessarily reflect the views of the Whatever Podcast. Before I have the guests introduce
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themselves, I just need to talk about a couple things. First off, I want, Nick, if you can
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hide that. I want to once again apologize for our delay in starting. This is probably actually
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the latest we've ever started. Normally, we're fairly good. Normally, we're fairly punctual,
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but we had, let's see, we had one girl no-show maliciously, which I'm going to get into in just
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a sec. I had one girl flake an hour before the show, another girl flake two hours before
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the show. Questionable reasons for their cancellation. You know, we spend a lot of time
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on pre-show stuff. We spend a lot of, I spend a lot of time, you know, we'll do the thumbnails.
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We have to redo the thumbnail last minute. We had audio issues before the show. We had
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camera issues before the show. We are currently still having internet issues. Our download
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speed, luckily it's not our upload speed at the least, our download speed is atrocious.
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Um, I'll know what's going on. So that will have some impacts on the stream. Um, one of
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the girls did a malicious flake. And so I actually want to go into that a little bit, just so you
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guys, oftentimes with the flake, flakes and cancellations, sometimes I've talked about in
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the past, but oftentimes we'll just continue on with the show and not even mention it, but
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it's substantially disrupts our production. So you guys aren't really privy to a lot of the
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bullshit that goes on behind the scenes, but like, just take my word for it that every single show,
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there's some bullshit going on that is incredibly aggravating and annoying. So I'll just give you
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this example in particular today, Nick, can you pull it, pull it up the Instagram? So this is the
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girl who, who flaked normally I would just let it slide, but, um, this was a malicious flake
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and I'm pulling it up one just to show you, and I'll show you the messages to give you some
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understanding. And this is absolutely dating related because this is the sort of behavior
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that you're going to encounter when you're dating people, just being totally inconsiderate of your
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time. Any of you who are on dating apps know that people you're going to get stood up. You're
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going to get flaked on last minute. They're going to be not even caring about the fact that they've
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burned your day. Um, now she did this maliciously though. So first, um, I'm going to pull up her
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story, Nick. It's the next, next one over. So she actually posted, keep in mind, she requested to be
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on the show. Oh my God. Is it not going to? Oh, she posted to be on the show. So 4 30, she's supposed
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to be here at four. I messaged her. So are you no showing? And she just says, yeah. And I say,
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seriously. And she's like, whatever, you've been humbled. Clearly malicious, right? So she locked up
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a seat, uh, to intentionally flake, uh, pull, pull up the Instagram again, actually. Um, so I'm actually
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just, just because I need to send a message out there that if you're going to try to fuck with us,
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we're not just going to accept that. So if anybody knows who this person is, that's her Instagram.
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If anybody like can get us some details, we already have some on our side, but, um, I'm just going to
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file a small claims action against her, um, for, for this, because she maliciously, this is essentially
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tortious interference with our business operation. Uh, she very maliciously and intentionally
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locked up a seat on the show to prevent us from being able to get somebody else. Um,
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we, we had certain, let's say financial, we had to, uh, delay the start of the show because of her
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malicious and tortious interference. Uh, so if anybody has any info on who this person is,
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I will be filing, uh, a small claims action, a lawsuit, I'll be filing a lawsuit against her.
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I believe she's located in California. So very simple for me to do. Um, anyways,
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after, after my litigious threats, why don't we get into the show? Uh, we're going to have the guests
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introduce themselves. And by the way, like I said, guys, if anybody has details on who that is,
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so in furtherance of me taking, uh, legal action against her for her, again,
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egregious, malicious and tortious intention, intentional, malicious and tortious interference
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with my business, uh, get in touch. We're going to have the guests introduce themselves. Please tell us
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your name, age, location. Uh, so where you're from in occupation, go ahead. Okay. Um, I'm Anastasia,
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also known as Pandana. Um, I am 28. I am a real estate investor, club worker, only fans, monetizer,
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uh, musician and model. And I think that's it on my laundry list. I'm from New York city age 28.
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I said that. Oh, did you? Okay. Sorry. I'm still thinking about the lawsuit I'm about to file.
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Um, I know I detect you have a bit of an accent. Can you tell us about that?
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I was born and raised in Brooklyn, New York. Is English your first language? It's my only language.
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I mean, I studied some Spanish in college. That's it. That's as far as it goes. You don't,
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I don't detect, you know what it is. I work in Philly. So like people in Philly tell me they hear the
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New York accent in me, but I feel like I've digressed. It's like an integration of both
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because I have so many friends and affiliates in Philadelphia that it's like a merge of Brooklyn
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and Philly in my accent. Okay. I see. All right. What about you? Uh, my name is Bethany. I'm 23 and
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I'm actually from Santa Barbara, but I moved away and I'm just here visiting for like a short period of
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time. Yeah. Yeah. We, Nick went to the, down to the mean streets of Isla Vista and because of the
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aforementioned, uh, no show, uh, he was able to, uh, snag our friend here. So, uh, appreciate that.
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Uh, so you're from Santa Barbara originally. You went away for college or? Um, I, I'm not actually
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going to college. I'm trying to be a tattoo artist, so I'm just practicing with that, but
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just, it's a small town and there's more to see than just Santa Barbara. So I wanted to get out of
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here. Where did you move to? Uh, Oregon, which I don't recommend because now I'm moving to San Jose.
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Okay. So Oregon to San Jose. Yeah. Do you have any tattoos? I do. I have a really shitty
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one right here. Is that like a stick and pulp? You would think. Into the, into the mic, please.
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Oh, sorry. Yeah. This, I have this one right here and then I also have, these are the two
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you can see up on my face. Are those the only two Beretta? These are the only two you can
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see right now. Yeah. Okay. Is that like Beretta? It's like the firearm. Yeah. I named my first
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dog after my first gun that I shot because I wasn't supposed to have a gun or a dog.
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Oh. So, Beretta. So those are the only two tattoos you have? Those are the only two tattoos
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I can show you. Do you have like YOLO above the pubic area? I have, most of mine are flora
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and fauna, so like I have different animals all over me. Gotcha. What about you? Hi, I'm
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Martina. I'm 31. I was a wedding coordinator, but I'm a mindfulness coach now. I'm also mental
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strength exercise trainer. Did you age? Did you say 31? 31. Okay. Hi, I'm Jack Obed and
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I am 39 and I, where we live in Azusa and I am a mental health professional. So I'm a school
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counselor and I'm also indie singer-songwriter and I lead worship at my parents' church. Okay.
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Hi guys. My name is Christine. I'm 27 years old. I'm a full-time social media and brand
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manager. I'm also the founder of CourseCorrect where I help people become their own trusted
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mentors. Currently, I do mindset and spiritual coaching. I share content online surrounding
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that as well and I eventually want to step into public speaking. I'm from Las Vegas. Okay.
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Welcome. I am Hannah. I am 25 years old. I am from Maryland and I do web design.
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My name is Monique and I am 41 years old, the oldest one on the panel. I'm from Orange County,
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California. By trade, I'm a phlebotomist, but I also sing. I'm an author, speaker, stuff like
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Yeah, that's Gustavo. He doesn't speak, uh, he doesn't speak any English. Um, Andrew Wilson,
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what about you? Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson, a host of the Crucible, fastest growing debate
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channel on YouTube. To my knowledge, uh, I do debates. I'm a content creator and I appreciate
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you guys having me on the show this evening to, uh, to help out.
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Okay. Nick, do you have the, uh, chat pulled up? Hey chat, we are having some, uh, technical
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issues. Is the, uh, stream okay? One in the chat if the, oh yeah, internet, they're telling
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us we're having really bad stream quality here. Um, uh, wait, chat, the internet quality, are
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you saying Andrew looks bad or our stream looks bad? It's Andrew. Yeah, that's, but chat, so
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I know Andrew, his stream quality doesn't look great, but does ours look okay? One in the
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chat if ours is okay. He just froze. He's for, Andrew's audio is scuffed. Uh, we'll just
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keep going and see. We were, we've been having, like I mentioned, our download speed is messed
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up, which is, so that's why Andrew looks, nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong on Andrew's
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end. It's on our end. Our upload is fine, which is preferable, but, um, we're doing okay
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though. Okay, cool. Uh, sorry guys, just a typical, whatever podcast shit. So we do
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have, um, something interesting. Actually, we're going to go around and get everybody's
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relationship status. So, uh, going around the table, what's your current relationship
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status? So are you single relationship, friends with benefits, situationship, et cetera, et cetera.
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How long have you been single if you're single and what's the longest relationship you've
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ever been in? Go ahead. My longest relationship was five years. I'm in one now. I'm sorry.
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My longest. Scoot your mic that way. Scoot it closer to the table. Okay. So you're currently
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in a relationship. Yeah. Okay. And my longest was five years. How long have you been in this
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current relationship? A year and change. Okay. One year. All right. What about you? Um, I'm
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currently in a relationship and we've been together for about a year, a little over a
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year. And then my longest relationship was two and a half years. Got it. Okay. What
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about you? I was married for eight years. I'm legally separated. So you're single. Yes.
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Legally separated. You said you were married for eight years. That's right. How long have
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you been with him? Um, 10. You were with him for 10, but how long have you been divorced?
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Well, separated two years. Separated two years. Okay. Uh, right. And then. Currently single.
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Um, been single for almost four months now. And my longest relationship was, um, eight
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months. Okay. Currently single. Um, longest relationship was almost seven years and I've
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been single for almost three years, two to three years. Okay. Single. Um, for about a little
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over a year, longest relationship, a little over two years. Sorry. You're going to have
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to repeat that. Um, go ahead. Single. Yep. Been single for a little over a year. Okay. Longest
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relationship is a little over two years. All right. Currently single. Um, longest relationship
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relationship was three years and it's been about two and a half years since the last relationship.
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Okay. So my understanding is, uh, do you want, I mean, the relationship portion of this show
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would have been a good opportunity for you to, to, to share that you guys are abstinent and you're
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both. Yes. Yes. I didn't know what you were. I don't know. I thought those questions were
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going to come out later. Yeah. Yeah. So you want us to do that now? What's the question?
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Go for it. No, I, I, I'd be fucking, I don't know. Yes. So for me, so I'm a virgin and I'm
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waiting until marriage. Are you? Hold on. But, but Nick wasn't on you when you said that. So
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can you kindly repeat it? I said, yes. So for me, I'm a virgin and I'm waiting until marriage
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to have sex. Good for you. You're a unicorn. 39 virgin waiting until marriage. So 41 year
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old virgin, 39 year old virgin. Wow. Proudly. Um, cool. I'm sure you guys get all the jokes.
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Yes. About the, so why out of curiosity? Why? Um, I love Jesus. Um, that's one of the biggest
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reasons that there's so much more, uh, for me. I really believe my body is the temple and I want
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to share that beautiful experience with one person. Um, yeah, I'm, that's one of the biggest
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reasons. Okay. What about you? Yeah. My faith plays the same part. I think growing up also as
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a teenager, I had a lot of girlfriends that got pregnant as teens. And so it was just one of those
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things where it was like, and I just saw an emotional drama they went through with that. And
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so it was just one of those things where I see like, this is a better route. It's just to wait.
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So you both have had, you had a three year relationship. You had a eight month relationship.
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Did you guys end those relationships? Did you, did you end your relationship? He broke
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up with you? Yep. What about you? Yeah, I did. Okay. Uh, so my question is what if it never
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happens? Never getting married? Yeah. Then I feel like then it doesn't. I mean, I really believe
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that it will. I just think a lot of things happen later in life sometimes for some people. And
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that's kind of where I feel like I'm at, but I'm not going to die if it never happens. And
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so it's, you know what I mean? It's one of those things where I'm so much more fulfilled
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in a lot of different areas and, you know, have a lot of depth and I do a lot of stuff. So
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it's, my life isn't just hinging on that one thing in particular. And do you think that
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let's say you both hit like 50, 55, like, will there ever come a point where you're like, well,
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it's not going to happen. So I'm just going to have sex. Or is it just like, no, I'm just going
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to die a virgin. Like what? I think society now in age puts too much emphasis on sex. Like that's
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like the thing that is everything in life. And it's not. But actually answer the question
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though. So like, let's say you're 55, like, let's say you're 55, 55, 60. It hasn't, it
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hasn't happened yet. Are you, would you just be like, well, I tried to do the whole virgin
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waiting till marriage thing. It didn't happen. I guess now, no, you can't.
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Maybe later. Well, my best friend is. No. Oh, did you not just hear the part where I
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said, no, you can't say something. Um, so no, I'm not, I'm not going to do that. Just
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that. Cause again, for me, life is so much more than that experience. There's so much
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more to, to do in life. Um, there's, there's so much more meaning. So for me, that is something
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that I hold sacred and I'm not just going to toss it just cause it didn't come from me
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in marriage. I believe in eternity and heaven is way more of a bliss than anything else.
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Yeah. Are you, um, are you a Catholic? I'm a Christian. Yeah. I'm just, I'm just asking
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what type of Protestantism, Catholicism? Non-denominational. Non-denominational. Okay.
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But you had a really staunch Christian upbringing? Yes. My parents are pastors. Okay. And non-denominational
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church? Yep. Okay. All right. Appreciate it. I just want to, yeah. Thank you. Just trying
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to figure it out. Usually, um, you don't usually see that trend so much with, uh, with Protestants,
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usually see it with Catholics. So I was just curious. Hmm. TTS is scuffed. Uh, hold on. Is it?
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Did it not come in? Imagine if TTS isn't working also? Hold on. Ah, okay. Some issues. Good times.
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Hold on, guys. I got to troubleshoot this also. Uh, one sec, guys. Uh, grid one, what, what's
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the issue with it? Is it not letting you submit, uh, TTS? Here, why don't you pull up these
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chats? I'll read them. What do you mean? This one? Okay. Grid one, more sports. TTS is scuffed,
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bruv. Uh, pull up the Christopher one. Love this podcast. I've been binging it for the last
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week. Keep up the good work and hello, ladies. Oh, maybe because it's our download speed is all
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fucked. The TTS is going to be scuffed. Stream yards is slow. Fucking Jesus Christ. Okay. Um,
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that's terrible. Uh, okay. Well, show must go on, I guess. Uh, sorry guys. I have no idea what
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the fuck is going on today. Um, so yeah. Uh, so do you guys want kids? Yes. Yes. Okay.
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Do you think that, have you ever met a guy who's otherwise interested in you, but because you're
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waiting for marriage, that was actually a no go for him? Like he didn't want, he was otherwise,
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oh, you're attractive. I like you, but I don't want to wait until marriage to have sex. Have you guys
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encountered that? No. Cause I only date men who are remaining abstinent themselves. Same. So that
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hasn't been a problem. Well, it's been a problem insofar as you've, you're not married yet and you
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don't have kids yet. Yeah. But I mean, in the sense of like that being an issue, no, it's more
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like, I think me saying, no, I'm not going to, I'm not going to even, um, date this person if they
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don't hold the same standards as I do in that area for sure. Oh, okay. It does work. Oh, but it's
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not reading it. That's cool. Oh boy. All right. Andrew, my base brother, bringer of the thunder
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champion for rational thought and reason. Assume this will be another episode with your frustration
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of the ineptitude of the three foes that present. Um, thank you, Brandon. Appreciate the, uh, the
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hundred brand of the, very kind of you guys, I'm going to have to pre-apologize here. Uh, our download
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speed is fucked and this is clearly having an issue on a lot of stream related shit on, uh,
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with the TTS. I can't even get it pulled up on my fucking computer. Um, I can't. So if you guys
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send him in, I can't even really see him at this point. Uh, yeah. So, um, yeah. Uh, what were you guys
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saying? Can I ask you guys a question if that's okay? Is it hard for you to find men who are
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virgins? Uh, well, I don't necessarily look for someone who's a virgin, but just remaining
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abstinent. Oh, okay. Yeah. Cause I mean, I understand a lot of people have a past and it's
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not something I would hold against somebody. So, but, um, no, you'd be surprised. There's
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actually a lot of men who are making that choice to remain abstinent. I have several, several
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guy friends personally that are, so yeah, you'd be surprised. Hmm. Does it concern you
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though that, you know, you guys 39, 41, you know, there's a time limit when it comes to
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having kids, uh, in furtherance of your goal to have kids? I mean, I'm not saying it's bad
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what you guys are doing, but it occurs to me that you would potentially open up your pool
00:25:53.800
of potential partners. Uh, this abstinence thing could potentially be preventing men from
00:26:05.220
wanting to pursue a relationship with you because they're not inclined to wait until marriage.
00:26:11.580
And so it's like almost this, it's this trade-off in my mind of, well, what if you wouldn't like,
00:26:17.220
would you be willing to make the trade-off? You, you meet like a great guy, but he doesn't want
00:26:22.560
to wait until marriage, but he might actually, he would be the guy who you end up marrying
00:26:27.640
and he will give you children versus you don't make that choice. And then you just never have
00:26:35.140
children. So would I, and again, I'm not saying what you guys are doing is wrong, but I'm, it's
00:26:41.560
like, I'm thinking, would you guys make that trade-off of, well, here's this guy. Maybe I have
00:26:49.680
premarital sex with him and then I'll have children. I don't know. I'm not.
00:26:55.140
No, I get, I get where you're going with that. I think it, I feel like it's coming from a place
00:26:58.360
like I'm trying to help you girls out, you know, like your age. Um, but really no, because to me,
00:27:04.320
marriage is, um, you have to have a like-minded person in many, this is the man that's going to
00:27:09.940
raise my daughters. So I have to, we have to be very daughters or sons, whatever I have, you know,
00:27:16.100
you guys are not, you guys are not like born again virgins, correct? No, no, no, no. You've
00:27:21.220
not had carnal knowledge? No, no. Virgin, virgin. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I heard about that
00:27:28.320
and that was interesting, but, um, no, um, I lost, I lost my train of thought. Oh, about you have to,
00:27:35.880
you have to, what I believe is if you're going to partner with someone and marry them, ideally the
00:27:41.860
way that God made it is for life till death you part. So I think where sometimes it's that
00:27:48.280
type of compromising, um, it's not, it's your values. It's your standards is where you're going
00:27:53.880
in life. You have to match. Like, it doesn't mean that, uh, you have to be perfect and you
00:27:58.420
agree with every little thing, but certain core things need to agree so that you can become one
00:28:05.240
so that you can build a family that's strong, you know, because life is going to come at you
00:28:10.660
and it's going to come at you hard. And if I choose someone just, oh, well, let me give
00:28:14.440
you that. And then, but that's really, I'm betraying myself. I'm betraying, you know, my
00:28:19.620
own standards of values and, um, and everything else. It's, it's not worth it to me. I I'd rather
00:28:23.860
just, there's more to do in life than, than just that for that moment. Can I ask a question?
00:28:28.960
So would you guys have a freezer? Go ahead. I was just curious as a question.
00:28:32.080
Oh, Jesus Christ. I'm sorry. God. Audio's that bad.
00:28:37.600
I was just curious as a, as a quick follow-up to this, uh, how many children do you expect to
00:28:44.960
have at 41? Well, that's a question I get all the time. And there's just so many women nowadays
00:28:51.840
having babies in their forties and those babies are very healthy and normal. I mean, you could
00:28:57.320
even look at famous people. Halle Berry had her son at 47. Hillary Swink just had twins last year at
00:29:02.440
48 years old. I have a friend that had triplets at 43 years old. Wow. Her next door neighbor was
00:29:07.320
45, had a baby. Like even in my line of work, I meet so many women in their forties having babies.
00:29:12.580
So I'm actually not concerned to be honest. And even something that I learned from a friend who
00:29:18.500
she's a nurse and in her anatomy class, she was telling me because I work in the medical field
00:29:23.220
and I work with a lot of nurses and she was saying how actually what she learned in her anatomy
00:29:29.040
class is that women who've never had babies before in their forties have a lower risk of those babies
00:29:34.600
being autistic down syndrome versus women who've had babies in their twenties and then have babies
00:29:38.800
again later on in life. So that's why I'm actually not concerned. If I just had one, then I just had
00:29:44.560
one and I'd be content with that. But, and then also women in their forties, when your body starts
00:29:49.840
to prep you for menopause, your body get releases all the eggs. That's why you have a lot of women.
00:29:54.820
And that's why they're called menopause babies because they have twins and triplets and it happens
00:30:00.460
I believe that some of those women you cited used surrogates.
00:30:04.760
No, Hillary Swank. No, she didn't use a surrogate.
00:30:07.140
No, no, no. I'm not saying her, but I think some of them you cited did use surrogates.
00:30:11.680
And I think that that's very common for why that stat exists the way that it does is because of
00:30:16.940
surrogacy. So, uh, you know, as far as the curiosity of it goes though, the chances of you
00:30:23.440
hearing multiple children when you're in your forties are extremely low.
00:30:28.540
Well, like I said, I've met many women and even in my line of work, I've met many women
00:30:32.100
in their forties having babies. So can I reiterate my question now? Cause it stems off, it piggybacks
00:30:38.820
off what he's saying anyway. Would you guys freeze your eggs?
00:30:44.280
Are you against it or like in favor of it? Cause I know like, it's not like something that
00:30:48.520
historically, like in the Bible, they didn't have that option, you know? But I mean, I think if
00:30:52.820
you're not against and if you're in favor of that option, then who's anyone to tell you that
00:30:58.040
you're limited in options? It's something to contemplate. I mean, I had a friend that did
00:31:03.080
as well. I mean, I donated eggs before, so I'm all for like, and I want to be a foster mom someday.
00:31:09.560
I just think there's so many options. There's so many options for you guys. Like, I think it's
00:31:14.400
ignorant to suggest that like your clock is ticking. My best friend is a virgin too. And
00:31:19.840
she's like in her thirties and she's completely content with that. She's not like religious
00:31:25.920
Christian or anything. She's just content. She's building her business and she's like happy. And
00:31:30.560
she just doesn't want to like go mentally crazy over a guy, you know? And you're, you're entitled
00:31:37.860
Yeah. And it's not cause for, you know, me and Jacob and both, obviously it's tied to our
00:31:41.580
faith and our belief, but I meet lots of people who don't even share my faith. And that's actually
00:31:47.020
Yeah, exactly. Like, don't feel like you're singled out. And I also think it's kind of
00:31:51.980
anti-man sphere to pitch that like a virgin's clock is ticking. Aren't they like gold mines?
00:31:58.860
I'm sorry. Aren't they like gold mines? Aren't they like trophies? They're virgins.
00:32:02.380
Like who are we to contest that they should like rush into things?
00:32:07.820
I mean, virgin, I mean, from a, I mean, there's a couple of reasons why men care about body
00:32:13.260
count, but, uh, yes, virginity is something that is, uh, favored. It's preferable.
00:32:23.580
Well, okay. Let me ask you, let me take your argument to its furthest extreme. So do you think
00:32:30.540
that a woman, for example, who's a 70 year old virgin is preferable to a woman who's like 25,
00:32:41.260
I feel like at 70, they've committed to not having partners.
00:32:47.580
But I mean, their virginity actually doesn't really,
00:32:52.940
their virginity really has nothing to do with the, the fertility component here.
00:32:58.780
I agree. That's why they could freeze their eggs and live happily ever after whenever they want.
00:33:02.940
These are two separate conversations. There's them being virgins. And then you're, you're saying,
00:33:10.300
I'm not piggybacking off of the part where you were confused by your,
00:33:12.860
I'm not piggybacking off of the part of the conversation where you were asking about like,
00:33:16.620
if a partner was interested in sex, whether or not they'd give into it. I think that we have 8
00:33:20.700
billion people in the world. They'll find someone that meets their standard. They don't got to adjust
00:33:24.940
their standard for a guy that is potentially Mr. Perfect. I think that's like putting out a
00:33:31.420
borderline predatory message that you need to conform to standards that are beneath you.
00:33:38.940
That you should get rid of your virginity if you're getting old. No, like, and you should just
00:33:44.540
How is it? Explain, explain to me how, how it's predatory.
00:33:48.940
Because a man that like loves you will respect your boundaries.
00:33:55.420
And if they don't respect your boundaries, that's predatory to me.
00:34:01.180
The, the concept that like, they should, like, I think a man, like I said, I'll just reiterate it.
00:34:06.540
I think a man who pushes your boundaries is predatory. Not like what you stated specifically.
00:34:11.900
You're not hitting on them. You're not trying to coerce them.
00:34:13.980
Nobody was making a should claim. Nobody was saying they should do anything.
00:34:16.940
Right now. Yeah. I'm saying the hypothetical. I'm not saying like,
00:34:20.780
he didn't hit on them. I'm not saying he said something directly predatory. So you can't like,
00:34:25.100
you know, paraphrase me there. I'm saying the idea, the concept, they meet a nice guy,
00:34:29.980
quote unquote, nice guy. Right. And he says, like, I don't want this to work though, unless like we,
00:34:36.220
this can't work unless we push that boundary of yours. We have premarital sex. No, then he's not
00:34:41.980
the one for you. And that's predatory of him to try to push your boundaries.
00:34:45.340
Yeah. Sure. But no, we weren't making that point as to whether or not they should or shouldn't do
00:34:51.020
anything. We were just, uh, acting if they had considered the biological clock, uh, as far,
00:34:58.060
as far as their faith. No, that's all. I understand. I understand. I'm not saying you guys said anything
00:35:04.220
predatory. I'm saying the hypothetical man in that scenario, Mr. imaginary saying like, be with me,
00:35:11.340
but you gotta like, you know, have premarital sex. That person is predatory that Mr. imaginary
00:35:17.020
in that scenario. And they have someone for them. What it's, what is the scenario in which
00:35:28.780
dating is wanting to have sex with them? How is that predatory?
00:35:34.620
No, it's like, it's a conversation that can come up. Like people are attracted to each other.
00:35:38.700
They want to have sex. It's understandable. But to say like, after someone's already set that
00:35:44.620
boundary, which I feel is a conversation had early on to say later on, like to try to push
00:35:48.060
their boundaries and say, you know what changed my mind. I can't stay in this relationship if we're
00:35:53.500
not, you know, bang. And then like, that is predatory. It's like coercion. It's not as you
00:35:58.380
want into the relationship, knowing their boundaries. Now you're pushing their boundaries.
00:36:02.460
Well, I would argue it's not predatory to have a subsequent conversation at some later point
00:36:09.180
in the relationship when perhaps what you want changes. That's reasonable. What people want
00:36:15.500
changes all the time. Okay. Having a conversation about it is not predatory. No, absolutely. Like I
00:36:21.660
said, it's about the boundary. My suggestion in that scenario would be for the end of the relationship.
00:36:27.660
Yeah, I agree with that. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm disagreeing with any hypothetical
00:36:33.820
character in that scenario that would try to push their boundaries and or coerce them into thinking
00:36:39.420
they should have premarital sex or go against their standards for themselves. Right. If you're
00:36:47.020
if you're in a relationship with somebody who doesn't want to have sex and you do,
00:36:52.220
unless you guys disagree without it being creepy, unless you guys can have a conversation and if there's
00:36:59.980
any, you know, changes on either side, yeah, that's just should be the end of the relationship.
00:37:10.540
So you just introduced like this totally hypothetical scenario so you could use a buzzword of predatory.
00:37:16.540
Okay, cool. But that's a good conversation. The original point was you're like, well,
00:37:22.300
aren't these women like the the manosphere really idolizes pedestalizes virginity and women.
00:37:31.100
And so you took issue with us questioning their own
00:37:39.180
belief system for themselves or their boundaries. I didn't take issue to it. I questioned you questioning it.
00:37:44.860
I mean, I I don't actually think there's anything wrong with what they're doing page. Cool.
00:37:52.060
But it was more so like, well, would you in this circumstance in order to secure having children,
00:37:58.300
which you might elevate over your desire to not have premarital sex. So it's really just a
00:38:04.060
You didn't phrase it like that. That's like a good new secondary question, I guess. But you asked if
00:38:09.580
they would based on the totem pole in the totem pole of what they find most important to themselves.
00:38:16.380
It occurs to me like, are you are you willing to
00:38:30.620
a desire which is having a family and having kids
00:38:34.540
again, I don't think he's asking about the hierarchy of duty
00:38:37.740
as far as as far as they go with their religiosity
00:38:41.980
there's going to be duties which they conform to. So he's asking the hierarchy which is the most
00:38:46.460
important duty. And is the chastity the most important duty? That's all.
00:38:50.220
I just think you can have they can have the best of both worlds. That's the point I was making like
00:38:54.140
they can freeze their eggs. They have so many options. They don't have to feel limited or rushed or pressured.
00:38:58.380
Well, there is actually a rush and a pressure. I disagree for women. There absolutely is.
00:39:04.540
I completely disagree. Well, first off, let's let's factor in let's say there's women who
00:39:09.260
can't afford some of the medical interventions you've suggested. Would you acknowledge that in that
00:39:15.020
circumstance that there actually is a pressure and a rush from women who can't afford the medical
00:39:20.700
interventions you recommended? No, because why would they want to then rush into having a child if
00:39:26.140
like labor is is labor is as expensive as freezing your eggs. Here's the rush. Once you hit a certain
00:39:32.140
age, you can no longer get pregnant. That's the rush. I hear you. So that's why they could freeze their
00:39:36.060
eggs for the same cost. Did you not? Not all do you are you aware that not all sex to Christianity
00:39:42.060
allow for IVF or surrogacy? I agree. That's why I asked them their their beliefs. No, I completely
00:39:48.540
understand that because I know it's not something that existed. Hey, Andrew, isn't there also,
00:39:53.100
excuse me, isn't there a very high, uh, like the whole when they harvest your eggs or whatever,
00:39:59.820
there's a pretty, uh, I don't know what the percentage chance is of it even working if they
00:40:04.860
do put it in. And then is there anything when it comes to increased risk of birth defects? I know
00:40:11.900
that's the case. For example, when you have pregnancy, when you're older to begin with
00:40:15.980
is having birth defects. I don't know if there's anything we've actually seen this at higher
00:40:20.700
scale with the nation of Israel. So they wanted their birth rate to be above replacement rate.
00:40:26.060
So they make IVF free for essentially all of the women who live inside of Israel. And, uh,
00:40:32.940
sometimes it takes some 30, 40, 50, 60 tries, and the government covers the cost of all of that.
00:40:38.940
Here, of course, the United States and the Western nations generally, it's a very,
00:40:43.500
very, very expensive process, not very viable for most people.
00:40:53.500
Yes. I'm interested. I, I'm not aware of like the complete numbers, so.
00:41:01.900
I feel as though if you guys are virgins because of a religious reason that you would have faith
00:41:06.780
that God already has everything planned out. So why bother worrying, like freezing your eggs or
00:41:11.740
what's going to happen is going to happen. Yeah.
00:41:15.900
That's what I'm saying. That's the point. And one, again, I've known many women, babies in
00:41:21.740
40s, completely healthy, normal, um, no problems. And that's something that I pray for. So that's
00:41:27.660
something I believe God for. And again, if it never happened, then it never happened. But it's not
00:41:33.420
something that I idolize. It's not something that I am holding to. This must happen by this time.
00:41:40.860
That's what I've said, because there's a lot more that I do do in life that is still fulfilling and
00:41:47.500
would not require me to compromise my beliefs, my values, my standards. Okay. Cool.
00:41:57.180
Uh, good times. Well, chat, if there's any, anybody in the chat that, you know, there's,
00:42:03.500
we've got two, we've got a 39 year old virgin, a 41 year old virgin, even them out. That's two 40
00:42:09.980
year old virgins. Steve Carell, you can get in touch. Um, really quick. I got a message from that
00:42:17.340
girl. Um, Nick, could you pull up her Instagram again?
00:42:27.740
She says, actually, Andrew, perhaps you can help me with this. This is no,
00:42:32.940
no, no. Pull up her Instagram. I'll pull up the, the, her Instagram story again. Just pull up that
00:42:39.020
second one. So again, wait, before you pull it up, this is the girl who maliciously locked up a,
00:42:44.700
a seat here at the table, uh, costing us money and time. And, uh, I intend to, uh, file a, uh,
00:42:53.740
a, uh, lawsuit for the tortious and malicious, um, interference with my business. Pull up her story
00:42:59.740
again, just for context for anybody who's turned, who's newly. So, okay. 430. She's supposed to be
00:43:06.220
here at four. I message her. So are you no showing? She says, yeah, seriously. She's like, whatever you've
00:43:11.400
been humbled, obviously evidence of her, uh, intentional malicious and, uh, tortious interference
00:43:19.040
with our business. Now, Andrew, she says, she messages me now saying, I actually didn't make it
00:43:26.280
because I realized I didn't want my socials to be put on blast. Now there's a, I don't know if this
00:43:33.360
is, there's this thing in, in argumentation where someone will use, and there's, I think there's a
00:43:40.100
Latin term for this. Someone will use something that happened in the future that they would have not
00:43:47.020
had information on to justify a decision that they made in the past. Do you know what I'm talking
00:43:55.240
about? Is there, there's like a term for this? Um, I'm not sure what the specific fallacy would be,
00:44:03.100
uh, in this case. So she, it just sounds to me like, um, essentially she, she has an excuse
00:44:10.720
because you put her on blast. So she kind of came up with what's called a post hoc justification,
00:44:15.500
right? So, Oh, did you say post hoc? Is that what it is? Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what I was
00:44:20.540
thinking of. Like, so, uh, she sent me a message actually didn't make it because I realized I
00:44:26.640
didn't want my socials to be put, be put on blast. Actually before the show, we ask all the girls,
00:44:32.540
um, we tell them, we give them a bit of a disclaimer saying, Hey, heads up, you know,
00:44:38.780
the internet can be toxic. If any of you don't want your socials put in the description of the video,
00:44:44.340
because you don't want nasty messages, comments, uh, you guys all heard that part, right? We,
00:44:48.860
we can take it out if you don't want your socials listed. So, um, obviously, uh, check the license
00:44:56.880
plate on that car. Oh, okay. Hey, you know, she's got a public Instagram and, um, she, you know,
00:45:03.800
whatever. So, um, so yeah, there it is. Uh, what's it called? You said it was a post hoc justification.
00:45:13.400
Is that what it is, Andrew? Yeah. Post hoc justification, post hoc rationalization. Okay.
00:45:18.220
The determination of future events. Um, yeah. Yeah. So you, you justified it that way.
00:45:25.100
I'm going to read a couple of chats here. We got flan life with the gifted 10, whatever
00:45:29.840
memberships. Hey, thank you, man. Appreciate it. We have Christopher Crotty. Love this podcast. I've
00:45:35.080
been bringing it for the last week. Keep up the good work and hello ladies. Uh, TTS. Oh, I think I
00:45:40.460
already read some of these, right? My bad. Grid one TTS went through, but did not display as soon as
00:45:44.900
super lag. No worries. I'll send Andrew some love on this channel. I'm going to, I might be able to
00:45:50.060
trigger them now, but we'll see a grid one virginity over 25 is not a value add. It's weird. Eh, I
00:45:55.960
actually disagree. And men do not like weird TTS is against me tonight. Ruining my fun. Uh, wow.
00:46:03.980
It's really laggy. Sorry guys. Um, Nick, you can unstar some of those. I'm going to read,
00:46:09.280
uh, hold on guys. Oh, he already sent that one in. I think I already, I sent, I read that one as
00:46:15.420
he sent it. Um, hold on guys. Let me pull it back up. That's so weird. One motorsports donated
00:46:24.640
$100. Virginity is not value adder over 25. It's weird. And men do not like weird. Also using the
00:46:33.540
word predatory where it does not belong in a sex conversation is poor form.
00:46:38.920
Do you want to respond to grid? I said boo tomatoes. Okay. To the first part and the
00:46:44.840
second part, like I don't care about like you could, you could hate the way I use that
00:46:48.020
word or whatever, but also telling them that that's weird is weird of you. You're weird.
00:46:51.680
Yeah. It's not weird. First of all, because there's a lot of people that do walk this journey
00:46:57.360
this way and there's nothing weird or socially awkward. It's not like I couldn't have already
00:47:01.720
done so if I didn't want to. So it's not like I didn't have a bunch of options. It's a choice
00:47:06.520
is what it is. I think statistically it makes sense too. Cause back in the day people got married
00:47:10.960
a bit younger than us. Right. Yeah. But we lived to like more than double what they did then.
00:47:15.620
So like statistically, it's not like you're out of the like range that makes sense for this day and
00:47:21.120
age. We, uh, we, we in fact do not live double the life expectancy. I don't know the exact
00:47:27.340
statistics. You can educate me if I'm wrong. Yeah. The reason, the reason that that statistic
00:47:31.920
exists is because they take into account infant mortality. So absent the infant mortality,
00:47:37.840
if you survive past age two, you were essentially going to live about as long as people do now. A little
00:47:42.880
bit less, but about as long. Uh, grid one. I actually, uh, I don't think it's weird if somebody,
00:47:50.740
if a woman's a virgin over 25, I don't think that's, uh, I don't think it's weird. Um, it's rare.
00:47:58.880
I might be a little surprised by it, but, uh, I don't think, I don't think it's weird at all.
00:48:04.440
Um, I don't think there's ever a point where it's like, Oh, well the body count is too low. Oh no.
00:48:11.740
So that's, I don't know if that's ever crossed my mind, but, uh, yeah. Cause it's something where
00:48:20.140
it's like, we live in such an over-sexualized culture and everything is all about sex and it's
00:48:27.160
almost celebrated. But when you meet someone who's doing the opposite, it's almost like a
00:48:32.240
disappointment when it's like, well, why? When you have people that are actually practicing
00:48:36.480
abstinence, they're exercising discipline and self-control. And I don't see why that is a bad
00:48:41.320
thing, but it's like in the culture, it's like a bad thing if you aren't sleeping around.
00:48:46.340
Yeah. All right. We have, uh, Fucati, no problem brain. We do everything and take everything.
00:48:52.640
Wait. Oh, it's not even getting fucking, hold on. Can you hide Andrew really quick?
00:48:58.740
That's super weird. I'm trying to trigger it. Watch. It's going to come in like 30 seconds later.
00:49:04.560
Okay guys. I'm sorry. The T the TTS is weird, but it's not going to show up on screen. I'm just
00:49:10.040
going to read it. Fucati, no problem brain. We do everything and take everything for you. We have
00:49:14.020
did the Brandon Lee one. Oh wait. Sorry. All right. Hold on guys. The TTS is all scuffed. Um,
00:49:23.920
one sec here guys. I I'm preempting one because there's one from Bronaissance coming in. We might
00:49:31.580
have to hold on guys. I'm sorry. What do you expect from a $5 hookah? Here is a hundo. Save
00:49:43.700
yourself from the mental torture of trying to collect from a lost cause. Uh, no, I'm still
00:49:49.980
fucking dude. I it's, it's not about the, it's not, it's really not that much about grid one
00:49:54.200
motorsports donated $100. Be what do you expect from a $5 hookah? Here is a hundo. Save yourself
00:50:02.240
the mental torture of trying to collect from a lost cause. Oh gosh. Okay. Wait now I, how large
00:50:14.580
is your dating pool? Weird as odd. And it is odd for a woman to be a virgin over 25 men. We'll need
00:50:20.600
to understand why. And if you cannot explain it, they move on. This is how cat ladies begin.
00:50:27.380
I, I, what, what, what would the explain? Like what, what, how do you not? It's just like,
00:50:33.280
oh, I haven't had sex yet. What, what other explanation do you need? I don't know. I don't
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know. And then also it's not showing up on my end. Oh my God. Grid one. I'm sorry. I'm sorry
00:50:45.920
here. Let me see if this one comes through. It's so scuffed guys. I apologize. I apologize. Um,
00:50:52.900
do you guys know that, uh, that Gustavo here, he, um, he, uh, he doesn't speak English.
00:51:05.680
Hola. Yeah. You see that he's here. I've been, I've been giving him tutoring lessons. Do you
00:51:15.840
want to try something? You want to try a little something? In English? Grid one motorsports
00:51:21.560
donated $100. How large is your dating pool? Weird as odd. And it is odd for a woman to be
00:51:28.740
a virgin over 25. So men will need to understand why. And if you cannot explain it, they move
00:51:34.500
on. I'm sorry. This is how cat ladies begin. Welcome to the whatever podcast. Absolutely
00:51:38.460
fucked. How was that? Like two minutes later. That's terrible. Um, you guys would probably
00:51:45.900
be better served sending the chats through, uh, it's not going to come in as TTS. Unfortunately,
00:51:53.940
I honestly, you guys should maybe do it through YouTube instead of through stream labs for the
00:51:58.980
rest of the show. It's not ideal, but, um, obviously our, uh, TTS is fucked. So I do have
00:52:07.580
one. I'm going to try to send it. Nope, not working. Oh, Oh, wait. Oh, look, it's working.
00:52:14.040
Oh, watch. It's going to read it in like two minutes from now. Question for the ladies.
00:52:19.040
What years or even decades did world war one and world war two take place? Also name three
00:52:23.980
allied powers and three access powers from world war two, starting with you going around the table.
00:52:28.840
My grandfather fought in world war two. Um, it ended in like 19, 1948. And, um, he was,
00:52:37.160
we were allies with, um, a lot of Europe, including Poland. And we were anti-Germany. We were fighting
00:52:44.420
like in Poland. Who's we? The U S he was, he was, he was in the U S at the time. I should have,
00:52:49.860
I should have phrased that right. Yeah. So, uh, you said, okay, world war two ended in
00:52:54.640
1948. I believe something like that. Yeah. I have a newspaper clipping at home. Okay. And what about
00:52:59.340
world war one? What was the years for that? I don't know. My ancestors were not in this country.
00:53:05.820
Do you want to do decade? Decade. Um, I want to, it wasn't long before it was like the early 1900s,
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right? Like it was surprisingly soon before world war two. Do you want to give, give it a shot?
00:53:21.520
I can't tell you. What decade? Give us a decade. 1910s. I want to say. Okay. That's the decade.
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Duke France. Jesus. Donated $100. Question for the ladies. Thank you for the same. What years or even
00:53:33.600
decades did world war one and world war two take place? Also name three allied powers and three
00:53:40.780
axis powers from world war two. Allied powers. So like the US, Poland, um, the UK. Yeah. Okay.
00:53:50.920
Axis. Three axis powers. Axis. So like anti. Axis powers. Is that what that refers to? Axis. Like,
00:53:58.660
I don't know the definition of that. Sure. I'm not going to lie. Okay. Yeah. So like Germany was not
00:54:03.780
in our favor and, um, Japan. And then it was us. One, one more. Us. Like they're anti us. Like
00:54:10.920
the US, us. No, uh, so you got, you got Germany. You got Japan. Okay. And then one more of the,
00:54:17.100
the, the, the, that team. Was it Vietnam then? I feel like they were more involved in the first
00:54:21.600
world war. I don't know. I'm not going to lie. Vietnam's involvement in world war two.
00:54:29.680
That's not my expertise, but I'm pretty sure they weren't access. Hold on. I don't want to get
00:54:35.840
actually schooled here. I mean, I don't think they were. I was before my time. It was before
00:54:42.280
my family. Let me just Google Vietnam's, Vietnam's, uh, sorry, let me tap into like that. Involvement
00:54:50.500
in world war two. Hold on. Were they? I'm not sure. I mean, Japan invaded Vietnam. Did they?
00:55:06.080
Yeah. But I don't know. I don't know what they were before. I know that to get like,
00:55:10.760
it's very difficult for us citizens currently to go to Vietnam. I've traveled a lot and I
00:55:14.360
know it's very difficult. Well, there's the Vietnam war, which is a different conflict.
00:55:18.960
I don't know. A couple decades after. Okay. So wait, I listed what I know. Uh, uh, years
00:55:25.340
for world war one and world war two. I did my best. I wish I had as much information as
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she does, but I guarantee you, I'm going to be wrong. I can try. World war two.
00:55:37.960
Hide that. 1918. For world war two? No one. Sorry. One. So from when to what are you're given
00:55:45.620
a crack at the years? Just complete shot in the dark here. Okay. Okay. Started or
00:55:50.460
ended? Let's say, let's say it started then. I don't know. So yeah, started. 1918.
00:55:56.920
Ended. I mean, it's a pretty good guess. I feel like that year sounds. It's not a terrible
00:56:01.000
guess. Ended when? Ended. I'm going to say 1934. Damn. That was a long ass. That was a long
00:56:12.940
guess. World war one. All right. What about, what about the years of world war two? Well,
00:56:18.320
it has to be after that. It has to be. By process of elimination. I'm thinking 19, thank you.
00:56:26.360
Thank you. 1939. Short break between world war one and world war two. Yep. And then when
00:56:36.120
did it end? Wait, when did it start? Excuse me? We're saying it started in 1939. I have
00:56:43.560
no idea. And when did it end? Let's say 1950. Okay. Let's say that. What about you? I want
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to say 1917 for world war one. And I know that when it started or when it started. Okay.
00:57:00.220
When did it end? Um, I want to say 20, 19, 20. It ended in 2019. 19, 20. Oh, 19, 23.
00:57:15.040
I want to say, um, that's the top of my head. Um, world war two, uh, started after the
00:57:20.340
great depression. So I want to say 19 31. Two. Um, I do, I, I do believe that another
00:57:36.020
access power was Italy. Like, Oh, wait, how is that related? The, the, the three access powers.
00:57:47.160
There's. Oh, no, but okay. When did world war two start? When did it? Um, so I want
00:57:52.720
to say world war two ended 43. Okay. What about, what about you? World war one, world war
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two. No hablo. No hablo. No idea. Just give us a guess. Guess. Just guess. I had no idea.
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First of all impressed. Good job. Okay. Um, I'm going to cheat. Um, some other answers.
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World war one. Um, one, okay. 19, 1918 to 1920. No, um, world war two, 1930 to 1940. Okay. What
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about you? Please skip me. Just guess. Just guess. Oh God. Just guess. Okay. Uh, world war
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one, I would say ended in 1912. No idea when it started. World war two would be, I think it
00:58:43.920
was 1920 something. To when? That's when, that's when world war two started. When did it
00:58:53.320
end? 1930. Okay. Wait, hold on. That's so funny because I took, um, I wasn't a, uh, I was born
00:59:06.200
in the Philippines. Okay. I took my citizenship about three years ago. I believe those questions
00:59:11.020
were in there. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know if they were like, there was like a list of
00:59:17.400
like a, like a long list. No, no, you're right, you're right. Could I change my answer? It actually
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ended in 1917. World war one. World war one. Okay. You're right. Yeah. 1906. To what? 12. Okay. For world war
00:59:33.980
one and then world war two, what are the dates? 37 to 42. Okay. What about you? Yeah. Uh,
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world war one. I just, 1910s somewhere. I don't, I don't know. And then yes, world war
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two, the 1930s. To when? Oh, I don't know. Or just the 1930s. I was in the 30s. Okay. All right.
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Um, what's the actual answer? All right. World war one, 1914 to 1918. Okay. World war two,
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1939 to 1942. Anybody? 42. Anybody? One of them. You guys, come on. The last year of world
01:00:19.580
war two, Andrew, what's, what is it? Andrew? I think it's 1945. Yeah. Really? Yeah. I was
01:00:30.740
going to say that. Yeah. It wasn't too bad, you know? Anyways. It wasn't. I don't remember
01:00:39.220
half the things I learned in college and they didn't tell me that. Yeah. Let's see if this
01:00:44.420
is going to actually, oh my God, it worked, but it's, it's going to read it in two minutes.
01:00:50.700
People treat women like cars. Tress, test drive before you buy rules to live by. No,
01:00:56.580
but stuff equal what the Russian psyop looks like a blank Harley Quinn. And I'm not Russian.
01:01:06.480
Um, um, a psyop is like, um, military trying to put psychological operation. Usually it's
01:01:13.720
like really, they make like really pretty people work for them to try to like attract other
01:01:18.420
people. Thank you. I'm not Russian though. There you go. All right. Uh, let me read these
01:01:25.120
other chats here. Sorry. That, that's probably going to trigger the TTS.
01:01:29.100
Mason's donated $100. I'm sorry. People treat women like cars. Test drive before you buy rules
01:01:37.140
to live by. No, but stuff equals no ring. The Russian psyop looks like it. What the? Okay. Cool,
01:01:44.840
bro. All right. Uh, Jay Canadian 70. We had natural fertility issues found at 25 years, took six years
01:01:52.940
to figure out and now have two kids. Ladies, you're delusional about fertility. Having spent a lot of
01:01:58.120
time in the clinic, I can say they're packed with depressed and sad 40, 40s plus couples. Good
01:02:05.540
luck. Oh, Jay, she did not like your chat. Sorry. Thank you, bro. That's fine. I agree to disagree
01:02:12.500
because I'm not delusional again. Lots of women having babies in their forties and it's something,
01:02:18.920
you know, that I'm believing, trusting God for praying, you know, that's why I'm not concerned.
01:02:24.380
Do you at least, do you at least acknowledge that as you age, your fertility decreases?
01:02:29.380
Yes. I know that is a natural thing understood, but I know that God is bigger and greater and that's
01:02:34.000
what I'm trusting and believing for. My sister had my nephew at 39 and nothing wrong. Lots of friends
01:02:39.520
having babies in their forties. No, you can, but okay. So you're 41, right? So let's think about this.
01:02:45.920
Okay. So let's say you meet a guy today. Well, okay. There's going to be a dating process. Maybe
01:02:52.240
you're going to wait. Like how long do you think dating will last before you get married? Because
01:02:58.540
you previously dated a guy for three years and you didn't get married. Yeah. But that was a long
01:03:02.920
time ago. Now at this stage in life, you, you're not wasting time. So, so let's say six months,
01:03:10.040
right? Six months. Okay. You know, that's pretty, I think, you know, you getting, being married within
01:03:20.660
six months is pretty optimistic. Yeah. No offense. Six months to a year. That's fine. It's pretty
01:03:28.160
optimistic. I feel like, I don't know. It takes a while to find, you gotta find the guy. You gotta find the
01:03:35.220
guy. I think, because I think, um, what people aren't factoring in, which I know is going to
01:03:40.260
sound crazy to many people is that we do believe in God and we believe that there's been many
01:03:45.600
instances of miraculous things happening. Even in the Bible, there's instances of women that
01:03:50.340
shouldn't have babies and that they did. So that's the, that's the factor, which does sound crazy and
01:03:56.920
it does sound delusional. What, like, but how far can you take that though? So that's why it's called
01:04:03.840
faith. But that's the whole point of faith. If you don't, if you, if I see the 60 years old,
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I don't care if you're 70, I don't care how did you see that fucking computer came out of nowhere.
01:04:24.260
Don't talk about my God. It fucking came at me though. It came out of nowhere.
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Um, I was, I was, I was being smite. Smite? God smited me? Smite. How dare you suggest that a 70 year old woman
01:04:44.720
How dare you, Brian? I will smite thee. I will get all the 70 year olds pregnant.
01:04:53.540
Fuck your laptop while I'm at it. Fucked your laptop up, son. Fucked it up. Okay.
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Yes. Understood the natural elements behind it. But again, when you're that age, 60, 70,
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you're not anticipating having children. Like it's not something, that's what I'm saying. Like it's not.
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But why does what she said, why can't that same sense of sentiment apply to a 70 year old?
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If actually a country in Africa, actually, I want to check. Wait, wait, wait. There was actually
01:05:32.100
one minute. My argument there wasn't good. My argument there wasn't good. She just gave birth
01:05:35.580
at 70 years old. There's a lady in Africa. Wow. Goddamn. Wow. Yes. Good for her. Women are evolving.
01:05:42.160
Women are evolving. Goddamn. At 70, she literally just gave birth. Now, I'm not trying to be 70.
01:05:51.000
Let me just say that. But I'm just saying like it can happen. Anything, miracles happen. Anything's
01:05:59.620
possible. I believe that God will do it. But I don't believe it's going to take that long. I sure hope
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not. But I'm just saying it's one of those things where it's not a concern. I don't mean to cut in,
01:06:09.360
but the woman that you just cited, who was 70 years old, she gave birth to twins, but it was
01:06:15.240
through in vitro fertilization. Okay. Yeah. But she had the strength. She was able, the capability
01:06:24.060
to be able to do so. But, and again. Was that a miracle or was that science that did that?
01:06:30.100
Can we have a bit of both? Maybe a bit of both. I'm not going to. But I mean, you would even,
01:06:35.480
even with a mitral fertilization, you would have to say that that's quite the exception to the rule
01:06:39.660
at 70 years old. Of course. Agreed. And that's what I'm saying. But it's one of those things where
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you just can't count it out, is what I'm saying. Is it? You can't count it out.
01:06:50.400
How many 70-year-olds have tried though? 70-year-olds getting pregnant. You can't count those out.
01:06:55.740
Is that? Yes, I understand. It's a rare thing. How many 70-year-olds have tried IVF?
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Sheesh. Like, I don't think there's a statistic on it yet. You know, it's very new. And then I doubt
01:07:07.640
there's many 70-year-olds trying to have IVF. I doubt there's many 70-year-olds that actually
01:07:11.460
want to. But I mean, I'm just saying. Yeah. It might not be that fair. Well, their bodies at that point
01:07:17.220
are not set for optimal pregnancy. Let's put it that way. It would be extremely high risk
01:07:26.220
for almost any 70-year-old woman to engage in mitral fertilization or even natural birth.
01:07:32.520
If somehow they were able to get pregnant at that age, it would not be something that anybody
01:07:37.900
would probably recommend in the medical field. Hold on. I'll read it in a sec. Bad choices.
01:07:44.900
It says, the ASRM estimates that the live birth rate for a frozen egg is 2% to 12% for women
01:07:50.080
under 38 years of age, as well as a high probability of a premature birth. This is from the National
01:07:56.880
Library of Medicine. Thank you. Bad choices. Appreciate it, bro. You're a fucking legend.
01:08:06.020
All right. We have grid one. Is it going to work? Fuck. Okay. I did not say they were undateable.
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I said it was weird. I don't think it's weird. You assumed undateable because that is where
01:08:19.720
your mind immediately went because that is what you believe. Wait, is this directed at
01:08:24.520
me? It sounds like it. Yeah. Oh, I don't think I said there. I don't feel like it. I didn't
01:08:29.180
say anything about undateable. I just said, I don't think it's weird. It's not weird. It's
01:08:37.280
not weird at all. It's rare, but I don't think it's weird. I think it's, you know, it's, it's
01:08:47.360
more rare. Like men are much more likely, I think, to be virgins than women. At 25.
01:08:54.040
At 25. I think it's more likely. I can see that. Yeah. I can see that. But I think that's
01:08:58.000
not like due to attractiveness and like the thoughts that come to your mind first. I think
01:09:02.180
it's also due to like a disparity. Women are sleeping around. I think it's due to a disparity
01:09:06.900
in men's mental health care. They don't do that. What? I think it's due to a disparity
01:09:10.660
in men's mental health care. You think men are virgins because there's a lack of. Because
01:09:13.180
they don't, they don't go to anger management. I think it's. Hold on. You just went to fucking
01:09:18.840
places. Uh huh. Yeah, I did. You think men are virgins? I think a lot of men are virgins
01:09:23.860
because they're angry and it's hard for them to have a partner when they're so angry.
01:09:28.420
That's a hot take. Andrew, what you got for that?
01:09:32.060
Yeah, I mean, I would just, either the logical evidence for it or the empirical evidence. I'm
01:09:39.140
fine with both, but I would like to actually know what the rationality is behind why you
01:09:43.520
think that men, when they're in their early 20s, are not getting together with women.
01:09:49.640
Grid One Motorsport donated $100. I did not say they were undateable. I said it was weird.
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And it is. You assumed undateable because that is where your mind immediately went, because
01:10:07.040
Okay. Um, sorry, that kind of like distracted me. Um, lost my train of thought slightly.
01:10:11.500
Um, I think I need those numbers on the screen, like over my face right now. Um,
01:10:18.000
so all my points about like men being angry and that leading to them being virgins is the
01:10:26.580
fact that like some men, um, as I've seen on like forums that are, um, more than just like
01:10:33.360
red pill oriented, like straight up incel pro incel forums. There are guys who are like
01:10:38.940
just angry and seem to feel entitled to sex and angry and don't understand why they get
01:10:43.340
laid. And I think that lack of confidence and like the mental anguish and anger that
01:10:48.960
they hold is just perpetuating their cycle of virginity.
01:10:54.020
No, I mean, how many incels do you think there are?
01:10:56.620
I don't think there's that many. I think more men are good than bad. My boyfriend is a great
01:11:00.680
Yeah. Well, I mean, if that's the case, then you kind of contradict yourself.
01:11:02.940
I don't think there's that many virgin men either.
01:11:05.100
No, but if you, if you look at the rates of men who are staying virgins until they're,
01:11:11.580
you know, I don't know that statistic, so you'd have to, you'd have to like, hang on a second.
01:11:17.480
Let me finish my point here. So if you're, if you're looking at the data here, uh, I would
01:11:22.560
actually like to know why it would be that you would correlate this with anger issues just
01:11:29.920
No, cause I'm not looking at the data here. I don't have the statistics in front of me.
01:11:33.000
If you can tell me how many men in the world in their twenties or whatever are currently
01:11:36.840
virgins, then I might form a different opinion, but I don't know. The only ones I know of.
01:11:44.080
Nickelodeon donated $100. A man was drowning in the water, turned away two boats saying God
01:11:50.980
would save him. He drowned and asked God in heaven why he wasn't saved. I sent you two
01:11:56.880
boats, idiot. You talk faith, don't refuse a gift.
01:12:00.880
Yeah. That's, um, it's a pretty funny joke. I've heard many variations of that, but yeah,
01:12:06.120
back to back to this, don't have the data and you're not familiar with the data. Then there
01:12:11.740
must be some logical or rational reason why you're coming to this conclusion.
01:12:14.880
Well, it's just based on like guy friends and people I've like seen online and just like,
01:12:20.480
it's only based on like a statistic based on the amount of males I've seen that are virgins,
01:12:28.220
but that's not all of them. And I'm not suggesting it is. So it is quite likely that if we tallied
01:12:33.660
up all the male virgins in the world, there's much greater reasons than just their anger and lack of
01:12:39.260
mental health, or maybe just in America too. Like even if we did that tally, but from what I've seen
01:12:43.820
and from all these forums that have been put out in recent years, pro incels and for incels,
01:12:49.280
those specific men are extremely angry. And I do think they would have less trouble getting
01:12:54.080
laid if they weren't so angry and if they were just confident. Can you, um, can you give me the
01:12:59.360
name of any of these forums? Mostly on Reddit, just mostly on Reddit. I like Reddit. Um, yeah,
01:13:06.720
there's a lot of people use Reddit and I mean that these people are angry because you read it on Reddit.
01:13:13.040
What? Nick, can you boost the audio a little bit on? Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well,
01:13:17.040
you seem to be coming to the opinion that with, with your rationality is the reason you think that
01:13:23.120
young men are, uh, staying virgins for X amount of years because they're angry, even though maybe
01:13:30.160
most of them aren't, but at least a good portion of Mars because you read it on Reddit. No, I didn't
01:13:35.760
read that verbatim. I've seen a lot of angry men complain about their virginity and perpetuate their
01:13:42.400
virginity by doing nothing but complaining and feeling entitled to lose their virginity. I'm not
01:13:47.360
saying that if we tally up the score on every man that chooses to be a virgin or doesn't choose to be
01:13:53.840
a virgin and is in their twenties or thirties in this earth, then that statistic would prove correct.
01:13:58.880
I'm saying that's what I've seen. And I think that does apply to some, not all, but some,
01:14:05.200
maybe many. I don't know. We don't know the statistic. We don't have the virgin calculator.
01:14:09.840
Because you've seen it on Reddit. No, because we don't have the virgin tally.
01:14:15.680
I mean, we, we do have the data on this, but absent the data, because you don't know the data.
01:14:20.000
Well, there's no log for virginity. There's, the government doesn't send a
01:14:25.840
pussy census. There's no log on virginity. Like, no, there's no data on that.
01:14:31.760
That's something that's up for speculation. Well, yes, there is. They use the self-reporting
01:14:35.440
system to figure out how many men are staying virgins or not staying virgins. It's the same
01:14:40.320
way we would collect all data in sociological fields. So yeah, we do have data on this.
01:14:45.280
So you don't know what that data is. Can you pull up that data?
01:14:48.160
Hang on. I don't expect you to know what it is. I, I do want to know what the rationality is. And it
01:14:53.840
seems like the rationality is, I, I read it on Reddit. So.
01:14:57.040
Can you pull up that data, please? I love to learn things.
01:15:00.880
Well, actually, I think, I think Brian can. I think he has it in his hot seat. He can just
01:15:05.520
pull up how many self-reported men are reporting virgins until 25.
01:15:10.080
Yeah. Grid One Motorsports donated $100. So it is weird for men to be virgins, but it is
01:15:17.440
not weird for women to be virgins. Interesting. Do you not understand that it is purity and youth
01:15:23.520
that men value? It's, and not either. Uh. No, I don't. I mean, I personally have a couple
01:15:31.760
guy friends who are virgins still, and they're actually both 30 years old. And it's, again,
01:15:37.280
tied to their faith though. So it's not odd or, but if you don't, if you don't, aren't part of that
01:15:45.520
community, then you wouldn't know, you wouldn't understand. So, you know, there's nothing wrong
01:15:50.480
with them. They're not socially awkward. They're not ugly. They're like, it's, it's not anything
01:15:54.560
like that. I think it's just a standard. And then I know a guy who, he personally decided to wait
01:15:59.600
because he had a friend in college who was accused of rape, who'd never raped a girl. And then, oh,
01:16:08.160
I forgot about that. How is, I wasn't even really paying attention.
01:16:18.240
Why do we need to hear the anecdote about the college sexual assault? How is it related?
01:16:24.960
I was just saying because for him, he was like,
01:16:29.200
if he wasn't even messing with any girls, then that's why he decided not to.
01:16:33.120
Sorry about that. Good job. Forgot. All right. Um, cool.
01:16:45.120
She's saying her friend didn't trust woman based on a friend's story. But I think that also ties
01:16:50.880
into like my point that like, I think that's like a trauma that he unraveled on himself over a
01:16:56.640
potential scenario. That's not of high likelihood. And I think that he could have resolved that.
01:17:02.320
I don't understand. Okay, cool. Um, what's the whole thing? You're, you're saying incels are
01:17:07.600
angry. Is that your whole point? I think most incels are angry and volunteer what it stands for.
01:17:12.880
Yeah. This whole incel thing is pretty much the biggest absurd moral panic I've ever seen.
01:17:18.320
If, if the mainstream claims about them were true, we would absolutely be fucked. The number of men
01:17:23.840
without sex lives who want them must conserve conservatively number in the hundreds of thousands
01:17:30.160
across the Western world. Um, I don't know. In reality, the number is probably in the millions. Um,
01:17:37.360
if incels were really as dangerous as this moral panic claims, uh, we would be seeing epic levels
01:17:43.520
of violence and we're not. So we've seen a few tragic events caused primarily by a toxic combination
01:17:51.040
of mentally ill people and, uh, easy to access firearms. And, uh, it's primarily about mental
01:17:58.960
illness. I think it's, I agree that that statistics probably in the hundreds of thousands.
01:18:04.640
Mind you, these, a lot of these are events are hardly restricted to incels. A lot of these are just
01:18:18.640
Yeah. Like it's not limited to them being in cells. Like men need in general, like they need
01:18:25.360
better health care and they need to swallow their pride and be willing to get mental help more often.
01:18:33.600
Cool story, bro. Cool story. Um, I don't know if I,
01:18:38.560
not going to tell it again. Don't worry. That's good. Um, hold on one sec. Uh,
01:18:46.080
let's see. Um, all right, let me do some other chats here. We have bender, the offender.
01:18:51.840
Hold on. This is getting pulled up. Oh my God. It's lagging. Sorry guys.
01:18:56.320
Apologize again for all the issues with our TTS and our, uh, it's obviously not ideal for us. It's
01:19:03.440
kind of disruptive the way it's coming through, but Kentucky had the bill passed in their Senate that
01:19:07.520
would allow women to collect child support payments for an unborn child. Thoughts on this?
01:19:11.600
It's actually a good question. I heard about this. Um, so basically like during the pregnancy,
01:19:15.440
you mean, um, what do you guys? I think that's really valid. I think if the woman is going to
01:19:21.760
have to pay for the pregnancy, um, like just the medical stuff, literally while they're pregnant, like
01:19:28.080
hospital visits, things like that time they need to take off work because they can't physically be
01:19:32.560
there and things like that, I think are justified. I think asking for anything beyond that before the
01:19:38.320
child is there though is not justified. So what is justified? I think that like splitting the medical
01:19:44.960
necessary costs of what you're carrying a child. Let's say she gets pregnant by a guy who's
01:19:50.320
financially well off and maybe she's a little less well off than he is. Would you be in favor of the
01:19:54.960
guy paying more than split to cover her medical expenses? No, I think that it should be split.
01:20:04.240
Unless her financial situation is preventing her from getting the necessary healthcare.
01:20:09.680
So before I ask you a question, just going around the table, does, how do you guys feel? Do you agree
01:20:13.680
with her? The question is, uh, Kentucky passed a bill for Senate that would allow women to collect
01:20:19.520
child support payments for an unborn child. Presumably this, presumably this would help
01:20:25.440
cover the bra naissance donated $100. Of course, men have to make all the compromises for Western women.
01:20:32.960
Either grab your passports or play hell divers too. Thoughts will be thoughts. Say Christ is Lord.
01:20:40.480
Yo, the bra naissance. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Okay. The previous question.
01:20:44.080
Um, I think I generally don't agree, but I also am from New York City. So we have like access to
01:20:52.480
abortions and stuff. If the guy didn't want to keep it though, and like, she's like hypothetically,
01:20:58.960
like the term like trapping or whatever, I think that it would be wrong. But I also am not educated on
01:21:05.440
Kentucky's abortion laws. So with that being said, I think that makes a huge difference because if there's
01:21:10.560
no, um, ability or opportunity to terminate the pregnancy, then grid one motorsports donated $100.
01:21:19.200
I told you chat man haters. There is a reason they are single and unmarried and you are seeing it live
01:21:26.000
ladies. You need to take a long, hard look at what your value system is because you are wrong.
01:21:31.360
Boom. Roasted. Okay. Thank you. Good one. Motorsports. Appreciate it. Not sure entirely who it's
01:21:38.880
directed towards. Um, so I think it's silly on the, on the men paying child support before she's given
01:21:48.480
birth. Okay. Um, I think, yeah, if, especially if the, the woman is struggling and it was a decision
01:21:59.200
like that they both made together, yeah, that would be helpful. What is the decision that,
01:22:06.160
what is the decision that they both made to have sex?
01:22:11.520
Oh, okay. Okay. Can I just, I'm just a little confused. Um, I mean, I feel like our bodies are
01:22:19.200
made to protect the baby and take care of it. What payments are you getting? I feel like on that note,
01:22:27.680
part of the reason why I feel the way I do is because I am like, I do have personal medical
01:22:32.400
issues where if I do get pregnant, it will be a little more extra than everybody else typically
01:22:40.960
would for a normal body. So for me, if I got pregnant, it would be a lot more medical bills.
01:22:46.880
It isn't as simple as just going to get an abortion or just carrying this like with minimal medical
01:22:54.000
obligation, if that makes sense. So I feel like it should be a case by case and not necessarily
01:22:58.800
general. But that's why I say that depending on the case, if there are large medical bills
01:23:02.800
to do with that pregnancy, two people participated and two people have a responsibility.
01:23:07.520
Okay. I'll come back to that, but I agree with her. I think it would be helpful, but at the end of
01:23:12.720
the day, I think that's why it's important to have values and morals so that that situation doesn't
01:23:17.840
happen. What situation? So that like having sex with somebody, you're not sure of whether or not
01:23:23.760
they're going to stick around or you're going to have a relationship. That's why it's very important
01:23:27.760
to know who you are so that when you are out there dating and, you know, sexually active,
01:23:34.080
that you're not doing it with the completely wrong person.
01:23:36.320
Okay. So you're avoiding the situation altogether. Okay. I approve. Approve. Okay.
01:23:45.680
I think it definitely would be helpful for certain women in whatever situation they're in.
01:23:51.520
Okay. Um, so going back to, I mean, a lot of you seem to be in favor of it. So going around the
01:23:58.880
table then, are you pro-life or pro-choice? I'm pro-choice and I think I'm the only one not in favor of it.
01:24:07.280
Yeah. I'm pro-choice and I think you're not, you're, yeah, you're not in favor. What about you?
01:24:12.240
Um, I'm pro-choice. That's interesting. I'll come back to that. Pro-life, pro-life, pro-life, pro-life, pro-life.
01:24:21.520
Okay. So for you guys here, I can sort of see your position on this a little bit. I'm a little confused
01:24:28.000
by your position though. So a woman who, for example, would you agree that a woman who's not financially
01:24:36.720
ready to have a child would, would you think that that's a perfectly just about justifiable reason
01:24:43.920
to get an abortion? Honestly, yes. What if she's just not ready to, uh, she doesn't,
01:24:51.520
maybe she is financially ready, but she just doesn't really want to be a parent yet.
01:24:56.800
I think that no matter what point you're in in your life, you can have so many underlying
01:25:04.160
tiny reasons that have led you to decide that, that, yeah, I think she should have that choice.
01:25:09.760
What? I, here's a, sure, sure. Here's another scenario. So she's fine. She would otherwise
01:25:14.080
be financially ready. She's at otherwise ready to be a mother, but here, remove that for a sec, Nick.
01:25:20.400
Uh, but she just wants to keep partying. She doesn't want to, you know, deal with the kid
01:25:28.800
right now. I think that's irresponsible. Well, but should she? I think that it's still not our
01:25:34.240
place to choose for her. I see. Okay. Yeah. I think I can, I can disagree with why she's doing it and
01:25:39.440
I can be like, wow, that's a really dumb decision, but she should still have the right to choose.
01:25:44.240
So let me ask you a question. What about in a scenario where you put a man in a situation where
01:25:51.760
he's, he's had a casual sexual encounter with a woman and he has known, he doesn't want to have
01:25:57.200
any children and the woman gets pregnant and she wants to keep the child. Uh, and he wants to, uh,
01:26:05.520
you know, what, what would you say to him when he says to you, well, shoot, I don't want an 18 year
01:26:10.880
responsibility. I don't want to pay child support. What would you say to him?
01:26:18.000
I think that he has a certain obligation to do that. I don't think that he has any obligation
01:26:22.800
necessarily to be, I hate to say this, but as a parent, because they did not make that decision
01:26:28.720
together, he gets a choice just like she does to be involved in that life. But I think that the second
01:26:34.240
that you have sex, you are kind of putting that risk up. Cause I definitely know a lot of women
01:26:40.960
who felt that way. There was just a hookup, then they got pregnant and now they have that 18 year
01:26:46.000
obligation, but they can't just say no, you know? Yeah, but this is, um, this is a very strange position.
01:26:53.600
So, uh, you said that you essentially support on demand abortion, correct?
01:26:58.320
I think with limitations. Yes. I think that the term of which you should be able to get an
01:27:04.960
abortion should be limited. And I do think that, wait, uh, sorry, sorry, Andrew, if it's all right,
01:27:10.000
I just want to have a bit more of a back and forth, but I'm happy to have you jump in on this
01:27:13.440
on just a sec. So, um, what, what do you think about deadbeat dads?
01:27:18.880
I've met deadbeat moms too. So I think a good parent is a good parent and they'll step up if
01:27:28.800
they'll step up. But would you look like, for example, a man who didn't want to financially
01:27:32.480
support an unwanted child, would you look down on him? I think I would equally look down on that
01:27:40.240
in the way that I would look down on an absent mother, to be honest. I think that as opposed to,
01:27:45.200
uh, for, okay, but sorry, sorry. I'll let you finish. Go ahead. Go ahead.
01:27:48.720
No, it's okay. I'd love for you to clarify. So I can give a more accurate answer.
01:27:52.640
Well, no, it wasn't so much that, but you, when it comes to
01:27:58.160
the woman's side of getting pregnant, having an unwanted pregnancy, you're very clearly, uh,
01:28:04.960
very progressive on this. You're very, uh, by your own admission, you're pro-choice. However,
01:28:10.480
when we look at the opposite side of this, we look at the, the male side of this, you're basically like
01:28:17.040
a bronze age pro-lifer when it comes to men's responsibility. So why is it, for example, that
01:28:25.600
you object to, uh, you, you, you seem like men have an obligation to financially support
01:28:31.840
a child despite his lack of ability to do so, or despite his lack of, uh, not wanting to do so.
01:28:41.120
Uh, you, you seem to be kind of, I don't know. I don't think it should be indefinite. I don't
01:28:45.680
think it should be like, just like they have to, no matter what it should. The thing is, my view is
01:28:50.800
a very, very case by case basis, which is why it's so hard for me to give you such a direct answer.
01:28:55.680
So I definitely think that there are like, they're realistically, there are women that try to baby
01:29:00.160
trap men. And I get that. And I also get that sometimes like it's the opposite way around too.
01:29:07.200
I've seen that as well. Men that try to baby trap women. So, well, the, the current state of the law
01:29:12.880
is regardless of the motivations of the woman, whether she was trying to baby trap him or they
01:29:18.320
were being a bit careless when it came to protection or whatever it may be. If a woman chooses to keep the
01:29:24.760
child and the man doesn't want, the man has no say. So really quick, just like the people that are
01:29:31.480
pro-choice are only pro-women's choice when it comes to men, not wanting to be fathers. Most pro-choicers
01:29:39.480
turn into bronze age pro-lifers when it comes to the, uh, you know, the male side of, of reproductive
01:29:47.320
rights. I completely see what you mean. And that's a new perspective for me to look at it. I still believe
01:29:52.760
that women should have a right to choose. A lot of my opinion, I will say comes from the medical
01:29:59.160
side of things for why I am pro-choice because I, I personally might not be able to survive carrying
01:30:06.280
a child to term. I know several other people that are that same way. And there are so many states
01:30:11.640
where if I was there, I would just die because you're not allowed to have that choice. And so for
01:30:18.200
the men's side, I don't honestly have super clear, determinate views that I have created for myself,
01:30:24.120
but I do think that there should be some level of choice, especially the way that you're saying that
01:30:28.920
now. I realize that I'm definitely misrepresenting the way that I wanted to say that. And so I think
01:30:35.000
that men should have some kind of choice, whether that be that they have the opportunity to say,
01:30:39.720
hey, I didn't, I don't believe that I should be locked in this for 18 years. I believe that I took
01:30:45.560
responsibility for my part of this and she's choosing to do this. There should be some kind
01:30:50.440
of court where you're able to show that it was not malintent that you got this person pregnant and
01:30:57.240
that you should be able to have just as much freedom in that choice as they do. But in that case,
01:31:02.040
I think there should be some sort of government support. You should have to petition a court to do
01:31:06.600
that? No, I'm saying there should be a different route that there, than there is now. Like there should
01:31:10.760
be something in place that there currently isn't. Yeah, there's nothing. Exactly. That's what I'm
01:31:16.440
saying is we should have something in place specifically for this if we're wanting to give
01:31:19.720
both of them a choice. Well, that wasn't your position earlier. Your position earlier was
01:31:25.240
in this, when it came to the Kentucky thing, not only should men pay child support,
01:31:29.240
they should also pay before the child's even born, which is totally unprecedented in any state in the
01:31:35.400
US. I think for medical bills, they should have to help. Men should have to pay. I think this,
01:31:41.640
the thing is, I think that this should also involve with that. They should have the choice
01:31:45.400
to go and prove that they, you know, shouldn't have to be there. But you can't, you can't coincide,
01:31:51.480
like you cannot hold the pro-choice position, but also your position should be men should be obligated
01:31:59.720
to pay for a woman's health expenses related to pregnancy. Can I ask a question?
01:32:04.360
You know what? You're welcome to ask questions, but you ought to wait until I finish my sentence
01:32:10.280
before you ask if you can ask a question. Well, that's how we were instructed to like interject
01:32:15.720
if there's no opportunity to interject. Yeah, but you know how I was like in the middle of a sentence
01:32:19.480
and you like interrupted me? Can you not interrupt me? It's going to have to interrupt itself. No,
01:32:23.640
there's, you know how there's periods? You know how there's periods? You can kind of wait until there's
01:32:28.600
a period. And then it leads directly into her response and then I'm interrupting her instead.
01:32:33.400
Um, I just wanted to know if you would still be pro-choice if, um, you didn't, um, have any
01:32:42.200
medical factors in play? Not you personally, like just in general and in like the world.
01:32:47.400
Wait, like if there's like, if there was no like medical, um, complications and everyone could just
01:32:52.680
like birth freely, would you still be pro-choice or is it because of the, okay, I think I, I think I get
01:32:59.000
where you're coming from. Yeah. And I think it's like your take being different is very personal.
01:33:03.560
And I think I understand, like I can empathize with it. Yeah. No, um, I honestly don't really
01:33:10.920
have an answer for that because I feel like, yeah, a lot of my position comes from it being medical,
01:33:17.000
from a lot of medical stuff. There's just the abortion laws of like, there's so many people
01:33:21.480
that have been put into like poor medical positions just because their body wasn't prepared to have that
01:33:25.960
pregnancy and now they need to keep it. But if that was taken away, I think that we,
01:33:30.360
I would lean a little bit more towards pro-life, but I would still be in the middle because
01:33:34.680
it's not my life. It's not my body. But for us, for men, I think that the reason that my position
01:33:41.960
is changing is because a lot of what you've said has definitely opened my eyes to a new perspective
01:33:45.560
that I hadn't looked up previously. And thinking about it like that, especially with you saying like
01:33:51.640
bronze age, like for lifers, like I, I do see what you mean with that, with, with how I view it.
01:33:58.920
And while I do think that everybody should have a choice, I just think it's so convoluted and so
01:34:04.600
hard. It's not hard to like, no, it's, it's very simple. It's very, I think it's very simple.
01:34:10.680
Here's my position in any state where a woman essentially has the right to murder her unborn
01:34:16.360
child. A man, a man should have a corresponding right to totally relinquish any responsibility
01:34:23.400
or obligation to that woman financially. That's my position.
01:34:28.040
I think that that's valid. I don't necessarily, if you don't perfectly agree, but I do definitely.
01:34:33.160
By the way, is Andrew's stream quality better? It looks better.
01:34:39.000
It's going, going much better. I wonder, I wonder if I can, if I can just ask you a
01:34:44.680
quick couple of questions. The first question I had for you is, do you think in the first three
01:34:49.880
weeks, for instance, that termination of a fetus is that that's not a human life?
01:34:57.160
I think it's as much of a human life as an egg, as a chicken.
01:35:01.160
Okay. Gotcha. But understand that you supported the fact that the first three weeks of pregnancy,
01:35:07.240
that a man should be, have to pay support in that instance. This would make the determination
01:35:13.080
that this is a human being, correct? Child support would infer that this is a what?
01:35:19.640
Hang on, hang on, hang on. Child support would infer that this is a what?
01:35:23.880
It would infer that it's a child. So I see your point.
01:35:25.800
It would infer that it's a child. And so, so if you're asking for support for a child,
01:35:31.000
how can you then hold the two conflicting views that this is not a child, unless you determine that
01:35:36.680
it is because you want money? It's not a child, but I think that I would only consider
01:35:44.040
this in states. It highly depends if that state has abortion, like what their abortion laws are,
01:35:48.680
to be honest, because if they're forcing them. Yeah, we're talking about the Kentucky abortion
01:35:53.000
law. The Kentucky abortion law says that for a pregnant, you can begin to collect.
01:35:58.360
The offender donated $100. This is an extreme example, but imagine if this law passed in a
01:36:05.080
state where abortion was legal up until birth. The women could just take money from a man then
01:36:10.600
abort the child. I don't think. Wow, that's a, that's another consideration. That's a good point.
01:36:15.880
I don't think any state should allow that. So moving into the Kentucky law, the inference here is that
01:36:21.960
this is a child, right? How could a person who was pro-choice take the money to begin with? Because
01:36:29.080
then they would have to be admitting that this is a child, correct? Well, I think that that's,
01:36:33.880
if it was the whole question originally was about the state of how Kentucky's bills are currently.
01:36:40.920
I think that if you're supported it, if you're pro, yeah, if they have to keep the child, if the woman
01:36:46.200
does not have a choice to keep the child, the man, that's a different, that's a caveat of position
01:36:50.680
now. Because your initial position was that you supported the fact that a man would have to support
01:36:56.760
this pregnancy. And you said, this is due to cost considerations. If that is true, then,
01:37:02.120
and you would take the money, then you would have to be admitting that this is actually a child. Yes?
01:37:06.600
No, I would be admitting that my body's going through something that needs medical bills and money.
01:37:12.040
I see. So what you're saying, so what you're saying there is it's not a child because you want money.
01:37:18.840
No, I'm saying that if a child, a fetus from the first part where it's not a child yet,
01:37:24.200
they're still affecting the woman's body in a medical way where they need to pay for that. So
01:37:29.400
at that point, no, you're not paying child support. In my opinion, you were paying medical support
01:37:34.280
because you put this woman into a medical position that requires money. It's not about the kid,
01:37:39.240
in my opinion, at this point, because as I said before, most of my stance comes from the medical
01:37:43.960
side of this. So that's why I have that view is because if the woman is needing to pay
01:37:50.280
to, you know, do the things they need to do for their, their own body, regardless of the fetus
01:37:56.360
child. Okay. I understand. Then what your position actually is, is that no, I don't consider this to
01:38:03.240
be a child. I just have the expectation that men will pay, uh, for the, and support whatever
01:38:10.840
decisions you make for the pregnancy, whether it be that you have the child all throughout
01:38:16.200
the term or if they pay for the abortion, have these on the abortion. I don't know,
01:38:21.000
but that's what the actual position, right? Well, I was, I just stated that I think that
01:38:25.400
that should only be true if it's in a state where the woman doesn't have a choice either.
01:38:33.560
You mean where a woman has to, or has to bring the pregnancy to bear, can't get an abortion.
01:38:38.120
Exactly. Yeah. So let us assume for a moment that she can, that she can get an abortion in
01:38:47.480
this state and they have a law and they have a law which says that the man would have to assist
01:38:53.560
in the payment. Would you be against that law? Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm only, I'm only for the man
01:38:59.880
being obligated in a way that the woman is as well. Okay. I understand. Well, that's at least consistent,
01:39:06.840
right? So when we, when we can deconstruct it back a little bit, it's at least a bit consistent.
01:39:12.040
So, but just understand that the laws and the laws basically stating this is a child right from
01:39:18.120
inception. That's why child support is available is because they, they're considering this to be a
01:39:23.480
child. I understand that. I'm looking at, I'm looking at it from the medical and obligation
01:39:28.440
point of view for literally your, what your body is actually going through and the costs that come
01:39:34.120
with that. So for me, I'm looking at it just a little bit of a different direction than just
01:39:39.320
the ethics of whether or not the fetus is considered a child. Yeah. But medically, I mean,
01:39:45.080
life begins at inception. There's, I mean, that is the medical standard. True. But I'm not talking
01:39:50.200
about the fetus. I'm talking about the mother. The mother is the one who needs to pay. The mother's
01:39:54.440
body is the one that's going through that, whether or not you get an abortion. But only if you have to
01:39:59.320
carry that, do I think that he has to help support you in that? I do think they should be able to
01:40:04.120
argue the circumstances of it. But I think that in a general rule, if the woman has to pay those
01:40:10.600
medical bills and they do not have a choice to have an abortion, then the man should have some
01:40:16.920
part in that obligation as well. Yeah. I don't think that that's the portion that's being argued
01:40:22.680
though. If we're going to assume that it's a living child from inception, I don't think anybody
01:40:29.960
would say that the man wouldn't have to take care of his end of that obligation. But rather,
01:40:35.240
we're trying to determine whether or not it is the case that you believe that this is a life to begin
01:40:40.600
with. And if you don't, then asking for support as though it is seems inconsistent to me. I don't
01:40:46.040
think that you're asking for support for the fetus though. You're asking for support for your medical
01:40:50.200
bills for your own body. Even if the woman decides to get an abortion that costs around 600 to $2,000,
01:40:58.840
depending on where she can go. And so if the male counterpart of this responsibility is not willing
01:41:05.000
to even a little bit help out with the medical bills, the woman- Well, no, I mean, that's ridiculous.
01:41:11.240
If his standard is that that is a child, why would he be obligated to assist you in your abortion?
01:41:16.280
No, he wouldn't. That's what I'm saying. You're essentially asking you to murder from his world
01:41:22.120
view with his money, right? No, I'm saying if the woman cannot have an abortion, then the men should
01:41:28.280
be obligated. If the woman can't have an abortion, the man should have a choice as well. That's what
01:41:33.160
I've been trying to say this entire time. I just don't. Okay. Yeah. I don't know if I think
01:41:38.120
we're trying to be trying to be charitable to the viewpoint here. I just noticed that that
01:41:42.120
was a massive inconsistency, but it seems like you've moved it back to a more consistent standard
01:41:47.000
for us. So I appreciate that. Good talk. Good talk. Let me, let me do a couple of the chats here.
01:41:56.040
We have Rockhead AB. Hey, thank you, man. Appreciate it. Guys, by the way, our TTS is back again.
01:42:02.120
Streamlab should be back again. So it's coming in clean. My wife of 27 years passed away suddenly
01:42:07.560
in 2022. Hey, sorry, man. Sorry to hear that. She couldn't have kids. So my existence is a lonely
01:42:12.600
one. Find someone to love and make a family at 64. It's too late for me. Time is a cruel master.
01:42:20.600
There's still time. You're 64. You got this, bruv. You got this. There's plenty of babes at the
01:42:30.600
bingo hall. I, dude, you're good. Don't trip. Uh, thank you, man. Sorry. Sorry to hear about your loss.
01:42:37.720
And, um, and, uh, you know, guys can have kids until they're an octogenarian. So you're good.
01:42:49.320
You're chilling. All right. Chicken Kiev. Thank you, man. Andrew, can you talk more about your,
01:42:54.360
oh my God. Okay. Well, this is obviously, uh, how does it relate? I mean, I'm just going to skip over
01:43:00.660
this unless Andrew, you want to say anything, but it's obviously a troll. No. Okay. Skipping
01:43:08.980
over it. We have, uh, Bender or no, we have Jerry Bieland with 50 euro. Hey, thank you,
01:43:17.220
man. Appreciate it. Sorry if I butchered your name there. My bad. Thank you for your, uh, patronage.
01:43:22.820
What? No, she was right about Italy. Yeah. No. Oh, okay. Germany, Japan, and Italy.
01:43:29.620
Yeah. All right. Thank you. We have CJ. Hey, thank you, CJ. Appreciate it. Listen to the
01:43:35.700
incel projects podcast from Nama Cates. It's an enlightening look into another subject. The media
01:43:41.500
has twisted into a pseudo extremist movement. Most self-identifying incels are lonely, not violent.
01:43:49.180
Uh, yeah, I think I kind of touched on that a little bit, but, uh, yeah, I think it's the sort of
01:43:56.500
trope that, uh, that it's this violent threat. Uh, most of these guys are just, uh, lonely who,
01:44:03.140
who, uh, uh, struggle when it comes to, uh, developing romantic, romantic relationships,
01:44:09.780
either due to, uh, various, well, there's various circumstances, but, uh, thank you, man. Appreciate
01:44:15.860
it. Sasquatch mechanic. Appreciate it, man. Why do women lie to a man and say the kid ain't his?
01:44:22.100
Then years down the road, they come back and say, it is just so they can get a child support
01:44:27.780
check. Then get mad that the man actually wants to be an active father to their child. Can anyone
01:44:32.080
explain? Explain what part, uh, they come back and say, it's just so they can get a child. Well,
01:44:39.560
obviously there's a huge financial incentive to, uh, to lie about it. There's also another major
01:44:46.860
incentive if there was infidelity to lie about it because it would reveal the infidelity if there
01:44:55.540
was, you know, ongoing monogamous relationship. So yeah, thank you, Sasquatch. Appreciate it. Uh,
01:45:03.440
we have actually, hold on. Oh, we have Nickelodeon here. Hold on. Hey, you guys, I want to have high
01:45:11.020
hopes for women, but I just hear echoes against us and them. Was this a fucking song lyric? One of these
01:45:16.700
days they want to become mothers, but settle now being comfortably numb, run like hell.
01:45:22.740
What are you going to say? What is this? Like, uh, you in like a death metal band or some shit?
01:45:26.900
What is this? Send this in as a TTS with a fucking scream of voice or something. I don't know.
01:45:32.700
Thank you, Nickelodeon. Appreciate it. All right. We're all cut up there. Let me get into some
01:45:36.380
of my pre-show notes here. Finally. Can I just say something though? Yeah, absolutely. Go ahead.
01:45:41.720
Um, I don't know where that us against them is coming from, but that's not, at least for
01:45:48.460
me, that's not, uh, for me, it's not a, us, me against a man. It's, I don't like that
01:45:53.700
actually. Um, I really appreciate men and what they do. Um, and I honor them and do, are
01:46:00.540
they all perfect? No, but are women perfect? No, we're all imperfect. And that's why we need
01:46:05.160
God, Jesus, salvation, you know, just therapy, like, you know, all these different things.
01:46:11.100
Um, so yeah, I never said us versus them. So I'm sorry if that is coming across in any
01:46:18.420
type of way, but that's not, that's not the message I'm trying to send here.
01:46:24.360
So, um, I feel like that might've been somewhat directed like toward me, but I'm not trying to
01:46:30.860
insinuate that either. And like, I know, I know based on like my amazing relationship that I'm
01:46:36.920
in that like, there are good men out there and I'm not trying to suggest otherwise, but I will
01:46:40.800
also say it came to mind as that person mentioned, uh, an incel podcast, there was a statistic. I can't
01:46:46.720
remember where, but you can definitely pull it up online. And it was a study that showed that
01:46:51.480
incel men, and this is a proven study are more violent and aggressive and incel women are more, um,
01:46:59.160
depressed and like, um, different, uh, they, they suffer different, like avoidance personality
01:47:05.580
traits than incel men. And there's a study on this. I mean, there's so much there. First off,
01:47:10.780
I don't know what study you're referring to. I've actually seen other studies that seem to indicate
01:47:15.460
that, uh, compared to the general population, uh, men who are incels are actually less likely to be
01:47:23.140
violent, but, uh, your assertion that there are even female incels is just laughable. There are.
01:47:31.180
There's no, no woman cannot be involuntarily celibate.
01:47:36.880
There, there are. No. We can agree to disagree. There's no agreeing to disagree. You, a woman cannot
01:47:43.780
be an incel. I'm not going to. Here's the metric. Here's the metric of what it takes to be, uh, an
01:47:52.280
incel. So. I know what it means. Oh, tell me what incel stands for. Involuntarily celibate. Involuntarily
01:47:59.160
celibate. So let's assume that the metric to be involuntarily celibate is somebody who's incapable
01:48:05.160
of securing a sexual relationship. Now we need to, for the sake of this conversation,
01:48:11.560
we need to exclude people who for religious reasons are waiting until marriage. That's
01:48:16.840
generally speaking. Yeah, I agree. Generally speaking. Now you can say that there's certain,
01:48:22.180
uh, there's a certain social climate that where in previous times that was a social norm
01:48:28.360
and you would have not had such an issue finding a marriageable partner, but let's, let's, uh, look
01:48:36.800
at it perhaps from a more secular view. So you have a bunch of men who, despite efforts to get
01:48:45.080
even casual sex or unable to, they can't get a relationship. They can't get casual sex. They
01:48:51.440
can't get anything. My position on this is that any woman, regardless of her physical appearance,
01:48:59.740
she could be obese even. If she was inclined to have a casual sexual encounter with a man of
01:49:06.960
comparable physical attractiveness could do so very easily. Um, I think it's circumstantial. I think
01:49:14.200
there are less, um, of, there are less female incels, but they exist. Like there are people across the
01:49:20.620
world that, um, don't have the same privilege we do of going out into a busy city like Los Angeles
01:49:25.600
or Santa Barbara or New York and just meeting anyone. There are people in the middle of nowhere
01:49:29.080
who get bullied there. And like there are forums where there are like incel women who feel
01:49:34.480
worthless or like low self-esteem and cannot, and then struggle with getting laid and feel like
01:49:39.400
they're a burden. Okay. Let me ask you a question. So let's, let's remove this, this argument of,
01:49:44.760
well, there's women that live in the sticks in a 200 population city. Let's say that
01:49:50.580
there's male incels in New York city. Let's assume there are, right? I assume there's much.
01:49:56.520
Let's assume are there female incels in New York city? Because you made it a geographic thing.
01:50:02.580
I wouldn't know, but I'm not sure. Honestly, you could be right. There might be none in New York
01:50:08.080
city. I don't know. New York, New York city is very liberal and very sexually free. Like maybe
01:50:14.540
everyone's fucking everyone. I don't know. I don't keep a tally on them all. Okay. But I will say
01:50:18.720
there are female incels in the world. No, there's not because a woman cannot be involuntarily.
01:50:24.660
Yes, they can. Any woman, regardless of her, she could be. How do I explain this? I think it
01:50:32.160
could also be a mental thing. An obese woman who's incredibly unattractive can still procure
01:50:40.680
casual sex. And I think it could also be a mental thing. What do you mean a mental thing? Have you ever
01:50:45.820
seen catfish? No, you'll have to explain that to me. You've never seen catfish. Okay. So, um,
01:50:51.760
or allegedly you've never seen catfish. Cool. No, I haven't seen it. Yeah. Wow. Um, so I think it's
01:50:57.320
a mental health thing too. Cause a lot of like the woman that go on there pretending to be someone
01:51:01.840
else in hopes of finding like a partner, they are not unattractive. It's a mental thing that keeps
01:51:08.040
them from being able to pursue someone and like a desire to be someone else or something like there
01:51:12.220
is a mental health aspect to it too, for women, but they exist. There's incel females that exist.
01:51:18.340
That makes no sense. Look, so let's say one of these women who is absolutely bad shit and insane,
01:51:24.700
but is not unattractive went out into the middle of the street and hung a sign around her neck,
01:51:29.440
which said, please come over here and have sexual intercourse with me. Would a man go and do that
01:51:34.500
with her or no? I don't like this hypothetical. I'm not going to, it's like. Checkmate. Yeah. So
01:51:44.140
can you, can you answer the question for me? I don't know. It depends on where she is. I mean,
01:51:48.080
I would hope not if she's clearly mentally ill, I would hope no one's trying to take advantage of
01:51:51.440
like a mentally ill woman who's bashed in on this. I don't know. Hold the sign, hold the sign around
01:51:55.980
her neck and said, and the sign said, I want to have sex with whatever random man will have sex
01:52:01.620
with me right now. Is she getting some or not? Depends where. Oh, okay. Basically in any place
01:52:08.780
that you can think of other than the middle of a forest. But like I said, the middle of the forest,
01:52:12.980
the middle of nowhere is my best example. I don't think that in New York it's as difficult. And I
01:52:18.700
stated that I'm not going against like anything I've stated. I've like tried to bring New York.
01:52:22.620
She lives in the rural countryside and she just goes next to a main road where people are passing by
01:52:27.600
in trucks and she's got the sign around her neck. Is she getting some? I don't know. Maybe she's
01:52:34.060
getting trafficked. I hope not. But dear God, I don't know. I can't imagine. That's such an outlandish
01:52:39.240
like concept. But you're the one who's proposing. I'm not proposing. The logic of you is to say
01:52:45.920
there's a mental illness. There's a mental illness which exists, which can prevent women from pursuing
01:52:51.160
relationships. I agree, but that wouldn't actually make them themselves. Because even if they were
01:52:57.440
mentally ill, if they chose to have sex with a man, they're going to get some. Here's how I say it.
01:53:04.360
Okay. How do you say it? To make it make sense. There are eight billion. Okay.
01:53:07.440
Grid One Motorsports donated $100. The mental health issues are sitting at this table. A lot of
01:53:14.300
cope and transference going on. Mostly cope. Feminism has failed you all. Please do better.
01:53:21.380
The patriarchy stands ready to help. Thank you, Grid One. Appreciate it. What's your... Go ahead.
01:53:27.700
Oh, I'm sorry. The patriarchy part. I'm sorry. Okay. My take was there's eight billion people in the world.
01:53:40.980
You're not going to tell me that there is not a single fem cell on this earth.
01:53:48.140
No. There you go. So let us assume for a second that there's at least one. So what?
01:53:56.000
Ben, I win. I don't know. I don't know. You win what? That was just my point. They exist. They exist.
01:54:02.400
That's just my point. They exist. I didn't say they're at the same caliber. Statistics matter.
01:54:06.140
So I'll just concede this then and say at least one exists somewhere due to the fact that she has
01:54:12.700
no arms, no legs, and it's totally blind. Nobody can see her. She's in the middle of a forest. Fine.
01:54:18.700
I'll concede that such a woman somewhere might exist. But can we say that overwhelmingly they do not?
01:54:25.960
And that's why, by the way, it's not eight billion people would be referencing here.
01:54:31.740
It would be four billion, right? Four billion, because only half can be women.
01:54:34.760
I think the lingo is just opposite here. But like, we're not like arguing. It's just you're not agreeing with my phrasal of it that...
01:54:46.200
But we're saying the same thing. You're just paraphrasing it.
01:54:48.960
We're not saying the same thing. We're saying different things. I'm just conceding to a portion of what you're saying
01:54:53.360
so that we can move the conversation forward so I can show you that still, even if we were to grant
01:54:58.340
that what you're saying is right, the overwhelming majority of what you would consider to be incels
01:55:04.640
are not going to be women. And because they're such a social outlier, it's irrelevant to even count them
01:55:12.240
I don't think it's fair to count anybody out. But see, we can agree to disagree on that.
01:55:17.140
That's not fair. I think they exist. I think it's determined they exist. We could like tell you
01:55:22.620
everyone in the world, there's fem cells out there. They exist. And whether or not you choose
01:55:27.080
to believe them, if you want to believe they're unicorns and not human beings that exist on this
01:55:31.020
planet, that's fine. Like, you're entitled to that.
01:55:35.880
I mean, I don't actually know how to have a conversation with you if I'll concede a basic
01:55:41.520
point that you make, but you won't concede a basic point I make.
01:55:48.460
That even if them cells exist, that the overwhelming majority of incels are going to be males?
01:55:55.220
I agree with that. I don't agree with the notion you stated that we can agree that because it's
01:56:01.540
such a low statistic, they don't exist. I don't agree with that.
01:56:03.880
Yeah, but if it's an aberration, why do we care about it? Why is it important? If it's just
01:56:12.520
Um, I don't know. To care about everyone on earth?
01:56:19.560
I'm saying I don't know, like, like, I'm saying I don't know sarcastically, like, for obvious
01:56:26.260
No, well, what's the obvious reason? Like, just, why would we care about aberration when
01:56:30.720
we're talking about these in general terms? I don't, I don't get it. Like, if you say,
01:56:34.840
okay, uh, one in a million of these incels happens to be a woman, who cares?
01:56:40.860
With eight billion people on earth, that's still a lot.
01:56:42.860
That exception itself actually proves the rule, right?
01:56:46.840
I mean, statistically, one in a million out of eight billion is a decent chunk of people,
01:56:53.840
That would be four billion. It couldn't be eight billion, because half of the population
01:57:00.120
Okay, so anyway, so back to this, I'm just saying that obviously it's an aberration,
01:57:04.680
so when you say they don't exist, you're talking about such a statistically low, uh, volume
01:57:09.640
of people, uh, there's no actual reason to include them into this stat. It makes no sense
01:57:15.780
If you don't want to, you don't have to. I just, I acknowledge they exist.
01:57:21.060
Okay, fine. I acknowledge, I acknowledge also that there could be a woman somewhere who
01:57:27.220
could fit this profile. Now that I've acknowledged that, can you acknowledge that almost none of
01:57:40.040
Almost none, I think no, I'm not disagreeing. Whoa, whoa, relax. Statistically, I think that
01:57:47.600
last statement is correct. Almost none of them. Statistically, I agree with that, Mr. Jumping
01:57:54.960
that, no. Great. Well, then if we agree with that, then who gives a shit? Then he's right.
01:58:00.280
Essentially, when we talk about this, there's no reason to include females in the, uh, in
01:58:04.260
Because there's essentially not any of them, so.
01:58:07.360
You're essentially arguing, for example, if I were to sit here and say, humans have 10
01:58:20.140
Okay. That's a fair, general statement to make. That's a much more countable statistic.
01:58:25.180
Grid One Motorsport donated $100. Even Helen Keller got laid, and she was deaf, dumb, and
01:58:34.020
You will never agree, as you know that the second you do agree, your entire world, you
01:58:51.240
Uh, just, and look, to end up my point about the 10 fingers, 10 toes, there are some people
01:58:57.340
out there who have 11 fingers, 11 toes. They're born with a, uh,
01:59:03.300
it's a genetic anomaly, basically. Uh, but it's not wrong to state that humans have 10 fingers
01:59:13.700
Yeah. I just feel like that's a much more trackable statistic.
01:59:21.240
But some of them don't, Brian. Some of them don't have 10 fingers and 10 toes.
01:59:26.240
Yeah, I mean, it's, uh, I don't even know where that, where the, that convo came from.
01:59:34.760
I don't know where we're going with this either. Like, I did have a, I did have one question
01:59:38.540
for you, if you don't mind. Um, just, uh, the last one. How would you feel if you didn't
01:59:43.280
Me? Yeah. I didn't. Yeah. What do you mean? How, how would you feel if you didn't eat
01:59:52.120
breakfast this morning? How I feel right now? Cause I didn't eat breakfast this morning.
01:59:57.240
Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Wait, what's the, what's the bit? What's the punchline? What's the,
02:00:03.580
uh, well, so this is, now I read this on Reddit, so you can't take it too seriously. Okay. But
02:00:12.920
apparently there's a phenomenon which happens where if you ask a person if they've eaten
02:00:21.240
breakfast this morning and they just give you the status of whether they did or didn't eat
02:00:25.120
breakfast this morning, that they can't engage in hypotheticals. However, if you ask them if
02:00:30.040
they've eaten breakfast this morning and they say, well, or how would you feel if you didn't
02:00:34.040
eat breakfast this morning? And they say, oh, I'd feel bad or I wouldn't feel great or I'd feel
02:00:37.860
hungry. Then they are engaging in, uh, hypotheticals. And it, and as you saw, she, she stated the fact
02:00:45.860
that she did or didn't eat it rather than how she would actually feel if she did or didn't eat it.
02:00:50.960
Oh, all right. Okay. Interesting. I think really what it comes down to though is,
02:01:00.040
any woman has the capacity to be a slut. Any woman has the capacity to sell sex. Very few men have
02:01:16.060
the capacity to be a slut. Very few men have the, even fewer men have the capacity to sell sex.
02:01:23.520
I have a question about though. Whose fault is that?
02:01:27.940
No, I'm, I'm seriously asking like historically, can we date? Like, did a woman start the sex trade
02:01:33.860
or did it's probably what? Okay. Well, like did men proposition it's a woman or did like,
02:01:40.720
it probably, I mean, women often, a lot of women will come on the show and say, well, prostitution
02:01:45.640
is one of the world's oldest professions. It probably started out like, oh, look at that strong caveman
02:01:51.580
caveman over there who just got a fish. Let me offer some pussy for some fish or something.
02:01:58.480
What if the caveman saw her and was like, look, my fish, like, give me some, like, give me some.
02:02:03.860
Yeah. Like it could have been, what came first, the chicken or the egg? I don't know.
02:02:08.120
Who knows? Who knows? I don't, we'll have to check in with the fucking archaeologist or some shit.
02:02:21.260
Okay. I don't know where to go with that one. Let me get into my pre-show notes here.
02:02:27.660
So we have, actually, wait, let me do this one. We have SSJ Krillin. Thank you to the women
02:02:33.960
that do OF. What would it take for you to stop? And to the women that don't do OF, why don't you?
02:02:40.780
So you're the only one here who does OnlyFans, correct?
02:02:46.800
I mean, I plan to actually probably, like, when I have, like, kids or whatever, I guess.
02:02:56.000
Beautiful. That's beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. That was great. That was wonderful.
02:03:05.520
I am in a very committed relationship, and while I don't judge anybody for doing that,
02:03:11.820
I also personally think that my body is just for my partner.
02:03:24.680
I think I already pretty much said it's the same reason why I'm still, why I'm saving myself
02:03:29.760
for marriage. It's for, like, my body is my temple, and I'm...
02:03:51.800
Wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. You're from... Maryland?
02:04:06.800
Bro, I've had that on my fucking soundboard for 150 shows. I've been wanting to fucking
02:04:11.280
play that shit, but there's been nobody from Maryland, so...
02:04:20.080
The same reason. I stated earlier. I just want all of me to be for my husband, so...
02:04:34.680
Really quickly, let me clear up something. So I'm not... I am waiting for marriage now,
02:04:59.440
We've had women come on the show, say that they're waiting for marriage.
02:05:13.440
And from a guy's perspective, that's where I sort of have, like, raise an eyebrow to the
02:05:43.500
Um, I didn't really have a relationship with God then.
02:05:50.640
Andrew, I want your thoughts on this, because this is something that I've kind of, you know,
02:05:56.060
In your past, you maybe either had casual sex, or you didn't wait until marriage, but
02:06:06.860
I see that women are in this, like, damned if you do, damned if you don't position of,
02:06:14.740
If you previously were promiscuous, you should stop being promiscuous.
02:06:19.560
But, like, me as a guy who's, you know, not married and dating, whatever, I'm like,
02:06:26.400
I just can't take it seriously if a girl previously had one, two, three, dozens, however
02:06:33.980
many previous sexual partners, she slept with them on the first, second, third date,
02:06:42.140
On one hand, it's like, that's good for her, but for me, I feel, I, you know, I don't like
02:06:54.200
I guess I'm going to end up arguing a little bit with Brian tonight.
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All right, Brian, if you had a woman, two of them are, you know, exact clones of each
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other, essentially, right, and they reached 30 years old, and you liked them both, you
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were into both of them, and one of them said, hey, look, I've had the same body count as
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this one next to me, but the one next to her said, okay, but I've adopted the virtues
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And he had to choose between the two, which one would you choose?
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So, both, same body count, but one is, has adopted.
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Yeah, same, just one has adopted Christianity, and is trying to live by those virtues now,
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So, the Christian virtues are going to be things like, they believe in covenant marriage,
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they believe in submitting themselves to the church, they believe that a man is the leader
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of the household, they believe that they need to submit to their husband, they believe
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that he's going to have the final say over things, though it doesn't mean they have no
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autonomy, and they're essentially going to give preference in reference to you first
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The issue is, so me personally, Andrew, I know you're, I'm a degenerate here, I engage in pre-marital
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Now, I'm not, I'm not trying to sleep with a bunch of women, I prefer long-term relationships,
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but, I'm a sinner, and I have sex with women before marriage.
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But I'm not like trying to fuck a bunch of chicks either.
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Well, let's like, well, let's like give it to you, right?
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Okay, I understand, so your, your kind of primary objection here is to say, look, I'm
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still going to want to have sex with her before I marry her.
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That's essentially what your objection is, right?
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Well, the other problem is, I don't think I want to get married either.
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Well, I get it, I get it, but let's assume for a second, you had to get married for some
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reason, which of them, which of them would you pick?
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You can, but she, but she, but she doesn't have those.
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She refuses, but, but she has no safeguard for virtues.
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There's the other one you can't sleep with before, but there is the safeguard of virtue.
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She's given herself over to the church to be a good wife for you.
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This is a marshmallow experiment in the hypothetical, right?
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Can you delay gratification for the better wife?
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We'll just go to the courthouse, get it done real quick.
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But to your point, to be charitable to your point, you're saying that I think a lot of
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women utilize this and this conversion over to Christianity in order to be more appealing
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to men who want those virtues impacted a woman and essentially to LARP.
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They haven't given themselves over to the church.
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But I would certainly, you know, if I had to pick, I'm going to pick the woman who I think
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Because you don't want to question anybody's faith.
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But at the same time, I can see the coping mechanism from a lot of OnlyFans girls to
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go, well, I found Christ and now you need to discount my past.
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So what you're saying, Andrew, is that I should continue having, wait, I don't know, it's just
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I'm saying that if your values, if your values are not really Christian values, then what's
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That makes, that, that makes sense to me, right?
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But if you are a man who has adopted Christianity, of course, your preference is then going to
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You're going to want a woman who is under the adherence of the church.
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And so sex outside of marriage is going to be one of the tales that she is trying to live
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I concede this argument because Andrew is the debate god.
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So whatever he arguments he was going to make, I just concede, uh, what, what's it called
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what's called in chess when you just, uh, or no, it's, uh, you castle, you castle, bro.
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The term for it, when you surrender, I get what you're saying.
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I'm a, I was, I was raised Christian most of my life.
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Especially since most people here are Christian.
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I'm with a man, but I mean, I've been with women and I'm not opposed to it.
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Um, my relationships with men, like with now being my best example, have gone better.
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Evidently, or I'd probably still be with like any girl I ever dated.
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Wait, but, so you would date a trans person then?
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If I fell in love with a trans person, then I would date them, yeah.
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Well, wouldn't you date somebody, wouldn't you be dating somebody before you?
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I don't really care what they got going on, honestly.
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I'm currently dating a man, but I, I don't know.
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I, so if, for me, it doesn't really matter, to be honest.
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I just think if you're a cool soul and I like you, then that's, that's good for me.
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I assume that's what people mean when they say pansexual.
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Demisexual, I think that's me, but I honestly forgot the definition of that.
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It means you need to have, like, an actual emotional connection, I think, with somebody
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Not to be confused with sapiosexual or whatever.
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Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten, starting with you.
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In my own eyes, like, A, in the eyes of those that I love and matter, ten, and in the
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eyes of the general public, socially, I think six.
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That is possibly the best answer we've ever had to that question, but okay, what about
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I feel like I have probably a different perspective, but I also, I don't know.
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I think my partner would probably put me higher, and I don't know.
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I've been committed to one person, so I just haven't really thought about the way that other
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people are looking at me like that for a minute.
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I'm a six, but with personality, I'm way higher.
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Can I have you scoot your mic to the left just a bit?
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I actually did a poll of people in my town and had them rate me.
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Oh, you didn't just, maybe you just didn't want to reveal, like, exactly.
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I'm a 10 where I'm from, but, like, the world, the overall average was, like, 7.5, but I definitely
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You've got some nice blue eyes, solid nose, handsome guy.
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Well, I mean, if we add personality to it, I'm a 20.
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I mean, if we're just going off of actual looks, yeah, about a 4.
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And then some people are willing to do marriage, but I don't think anybody's claiming born-again virgin.
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My wife makes my family and I a delicious dinner in a pan, which gets the old pumps running in return.
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After your back and forth with the new little Bible thumper, I respect and appreciate you more, Andrew.
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Far too many individuals make a mockery of the faith with no pushback.
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But the thing is, I'm not biased when it comes to my criticisms.
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It doesn't matter if you claim you're on my team or not on my team.
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If we're tangling up on an argument, it doesn't matter what you identify yourself as.
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I don't hold some view where my side can't be criticized, and I'm just as likely to criticize conservatives and Christians as I am the D-gens.
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Yeah, it was with the one who knew the ass-kicking, leg-breaking jiu-jitsu master who took on all of those dudes at a park and broke all of their legs with her savagery.
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Yeah, I did a Google search, Andrew, to try to find the story about the 4'11 Brazilian jiu-jitsu chick breaking.
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Now, to be charitable to her, she said that she broke all the legs of two people.
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I don't know if she ever stated they were men, but I assume.
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I'll even take it the other way, right, assuming that they're both women.
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Let me actually message her right now and just be like, hey, can you send me that story?
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Now, I mean, she did to be, and I was charitable back when she said, like, look, I heard this through the grapevine, actually.
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But she had started off by saying, no, look it up.
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You'll see this 4'11 chick got attacked in a park and then busted out her jiu-jitsu, moved up and broke the legs of these two men.
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And then she did kind of subtly backtrack on that as she went.
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I'm going to try to message her just to, like, see if she can provide it.
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We'll have maybe a status update for the viewers.
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Here, let's get into some of our pre-show notes here.
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For reference, you can go watch a movie called Indiana Jones, and you can watch what happens
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when an expert sword fighter goes up against a .45 ACP.
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You know, your hands could be guns and weapons.
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Yeah, like my coaches have guns as well as skills.
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But we'll get to the pre-show notes here in just a sec.
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We might have already touched on this, but Monique, you said you're an abstinence advocate.
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You believe that waiting until marriage to have sex is the best option.
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Recently you got divorced after nine years, and why did you get divorced?
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Well, I want to say it was a codependency and mental health were...
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Because you said in the notes here that what you experienced was watching a heroin level high.
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That itself is more of the research that I have done.
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My experience, I feel, goes with a lot of people's experience.
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It's not just my life, but more of how they normalize this.
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So if you have an addictive personality, say you're an alcoholic and you withdraw from that, it's very easy to catch on to whatever else feels good.
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And there's absolute ways you can boost a heroin level high with just porn.
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Well, I think we ought to be considerate of all the heroin addicts out there.
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I'm not quite sure that porn is as addictive as heroin.
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I believe that porn is harder to quit than heroin.
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Was he out in the streets sucking cock for $5 a pop to continue his favorite porn site monthly subscription?
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There's people out in the streets sucking dick for a bit of heroin.
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And again, this has nothing to do with my personal life.
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What was he doing for that Pornhub subscription?
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But edging is where you can stay on a certain level of climax for hours, if not days.
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What I view as porn and intimacy is very private.
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And whatever I witnessed caused me to research what it actually does to your brain.
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But give us some details because you said he's addicted to porn.
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But you said in your notes he was addicted to porn.
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I mean, with an addictive personality, somebody understands that.
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Yeah, well, anything you touch could be a libel, including being addicted to people.
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I would say, yeah, in an unhealthy way where...
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Which means that you can use people to get high, like as a drug.
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The brain, the way it works is if you take a substance and are addicted to it, it doesn't
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matter what it is, it will give you an unnatural boost.
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An alcoholic that is withdrawing, it will take from three weeks to have physical withdrawal
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What happens when you withdraw from porn is easily...
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Martina wasted her best years and threw away her marriage over discomfort.
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In sickness and in health, addiction is a sickness.
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Oh, we're not only just friends, we're best friends.
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The only reason I took a step back was so we can concentrate on mental health and being
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The way you phrase that, you have been celibate, what do you mean?
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Why are you bringing fucking sex toys into this conversation?
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But I have dated, but I'm not dating anyone now.
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Okay, so, um, I do jujitsu, but I visit other gyms, so...
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Her explanation of her husband gave me an aneurysm.
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Her answer about dating and hooking up his cap.
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So, um, I do jujitsu, and I cross-train at a lot of gyms, and I'm surrounded by high...
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Okay, I just wanted to make sure that she did jujitsu.
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I believe in supporting potential in the people we're surrounded by, and I also believe in
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Um, so, it's not like I would visit five other gyms, and then sleep around, because I can.
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Well, what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, I started doing jujitsu, and he decided not to.
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What I'm saying is, if I take a step back, and the way I see it is, if I'm the light in his life, and he depends on me to have a good day, he will also depend on me...
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Brian, can we please get the copium addict to make a point?
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This conversation would make a prom addict lose his stiffness.
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And delusion is a dug as well, gun fun beats, and he fooled it every day.
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Are you telling us the jujitsu story because you're around these, like, really physically fit, attractive, masculine men...
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...and you had this opportunity to fuck other...
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Seems to really have affected the relationship.
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...with a distributor-slash-producer of the drug that caused your love to falter.
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Distributor-producer of the drug that caused...
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Bro, bust out a fucking armbar on this chick right now, dude.
02:34:19.460
I don't know if you know what codependency is, but it's being so dependent on a person that you can't prioritize your own goals and your own ambitions.
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So, what I'm saying is, when I started doing jiu-jitsu, I started to prioritize my goals and my potential.
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And I believe that if he or anyone is dependent on having a good day for you to make sure that I have a good day, that you're also to blame for their bad day.
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And when I take a step back, maybe, instead of me being the light, he'll find the light within himself.
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You said that, like, you briefly dated before, after, like, your...
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At the beginning of your separation, you said you dated, but you're not now.
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I would say that I have a way higher standard, because I, myself, value myself more.
02:35:47.200
We didn't really get a full explanation of the whole...
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You said that you got divorced because your husband was addicted to porn.
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I said I got divorced because he had an addicting personality.
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And what was the primary thing he was addicted to?
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Like, if I'm seeing somebody, I'm not watching porn.
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But my actual personal view is, like, I guess some guys can be addicted to porn, but, like,
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my experience with porn has always just been, like, it's just a visual aid.
02:37:11.820
And you're teaching your brain and you're rewiring it to get off to watching.
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But that's why I've actually made a conscious effort to, like, limit my exposure to it.
02:37:21.620
But I actually don't think, me personally, it's having a massive...
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Did you know that after quitting porn for six months...
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That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life.
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If you quit pornography, you will have numbness.
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Martina, can you even name three Pink Floyd songs?
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Or is the shirt just to try to make you hopefully seem interesting?
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No, well, the thing is, I don't do names very much.
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Is it possible that my favorite bands, I wouldn't be able to tell the songs, but yet I listen
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I don't really visualize the artist, and I also don't need to know the exact name for
02:39:35.080
I also don't know how Pink Floyd looks or any of the musicians I listen to.
02:39:57.180
Ooh, no, the song he was just singing, which...
02:40:28.720
If you had to consider yourself some type of building material, would you consider yourself
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I don't know any movie names, as well as song names or how they look like, because it's
02:40:59.720
Look, I actually don't know jack shit about Pink Floyd.
02:41:39.900
Okay, again, I didn't come here to talk about my ex's personal life.
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I came here to talk about what happens to your brain when you watch Mentally Consumed
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And it could be easily watching on a screen while you're not dating.
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Whatever you watch on a screen when you're not dating.
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I'm just saying there's easy ways to poison your mind.
02:42:31.520
And the whole numbness, it's just six to nine months withdrawal for mental symptoms.
02:42:41.760
Especially if you've been easily doing this for decades.
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I'm saying how old are preteens that watch porn nowadays?
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So my ex's personal details, but I can't ask you how old you were when you started?
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First off, one of the pre-show instructions is not to discuss young, discuss children watching
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But I don't see how it's at all related what the background, anyone's background here when
02:43:35.640
If you are on the drug, porn is absolutely a drug.
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Any kind of stimulant can be defined as a drug.
02:44:02.640
So when you're watching a violent movie, you're not literally getting your...
02:44:08.780
Well, actually, look, there is a colloquial usage of like, you can use drug, like a certain
02:44:15.460
thing could be a drug, but when I think of a drug, I think in the literal sense of like
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something that you consume, like an elicit substance.
02:44:28.600
I think it's safe to say he probably needed alcohol to deal with you.
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I'm not a drinker and at all and just opened a bottle of whiskey.
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Is pornography a drug in the same way that heroin is a drug?
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I would say that if you've never consumed heroin and you only consumed one kind of drug, it
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could bring your levels of high to the same kind of level.
02:45:06.460
You're saying watching porn will have the same level of high as heroin?
02:45:14.440
Can I just ask, if not you or anyone specific, but if you consume something for 15 years on...
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I hope the guy who asked Martina to speak is now regretting his TTS.
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I now understand why the husband chose Pornhub.
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God bless his soul for putting up with this for nine years.
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I believe that responding with insults means that you're losing the discussion.
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Sorry, you were making a point of, okay, you've been doing something for 15 years.
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If your habits are for 15 years, it will take you more than a year to withdraw.
02:46:56.700
Can you cite those sources for us so that I can look at things real quick?
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Yeah, I'm on the website for Fight the New Drug.
02:47:04.600
It looks like it's a charity of some kind based out of Salt Lake City.
02:47:12.560
I wouldn't say that you have numbness in the area after six to nine months from the top of my own head.
02:47:21.520
Matthew Harder says, did alcohol make her comfortably numb?
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If you choose alcohol to escape, you guys go for it.
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If you choose porn to escape, you guys go for it.
02:47:43.160
Wait, so, but you said you want to reconcile with him once he's gotten over his addictions?
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What I'm saying is, when you are married to someone for such a long time, your priority is their health, their happiness, and their potential.
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And if that means that I need to step back in order for him to be who he was, then I will.
02:48:13.860
Because I would rather us be separate and healthy and happy rather than the alternative dependent on each other.
02:48:42.700
You talk every day with your divorced ex-husband?
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Okay, well, that makes sense why you'd be communicating.
02:48:57.460
And it also makes sense why we choose mental health over alcohol, escaping to alcohol, or escaping to various forms of escapism.
02:49:12.460
Okay, so I'm looking at this on the sensitive aspect, and I'm looking at this from their site.
02:49:25.860
And it appears that while this can happen to some people, it's not particularly prevalent with most of them.
02:49:32.160
And almost everybody who quits pornography, when it comes to desensitization, mostly all of this becomes reversed.
02:49:49.780
This is not saying that you necessarily have to quit for a very long time.
02:49:52.980
Nor does it say that most people suffer from a desensitization, you know, over a large span.
02:50:03.480
Well, I think that would, again, depend on who, how long, how often they consume.
02:50:28.820
Because vices, again, why am I trying to escape?
02:50:47.720
You can absolutely be addicted to relieving a lot of frustration.
02:50:58.580
And if I did, I drop them because I'm trying to better myself.
02:51:03.400
But anything, literally anything, can become a vice.
02:51:07.320
Like, almost any human interest can become a vice.
02:51:09.760
I think it's vice a negative, has a negative connotation to it.
02:51:16.980
So basically anything on planet Earth can become a vice.
02:51:20.840
I mean, you can overdo anything, including porn, especially.
02:51:27.040
I mean, you should look up edging if you don't believe the heroin level high.
02:51:32.680
It's where you basically, like, get to the right before climax and reel it back.
02:51:39.460
But so what is your point with the edging thing?
02:51:42.160
Are you saying he'd do that for, like, hours on end?
02:51:44.380
No, you were asking for a heroin, what would be a heroin level high.
02:51:50.160
And I'm saying, not him, I'm just saying specifically in general.
02:52:06.020
Here is proof that any woman can get laid and procreate.
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Men, this is why you should carefully consider who you spend your life with.
02:52:24.060
I mean, again, you want to resort to insults to make yourself feel better.
02:52:28.900
Wait, so you're saying he wasn't, your husband was not edging?
02:52:38.940
Yeah, but we're talking about your specific situation.
02:52:41.620
Well, my specific situation is that I believe in privacy.
02:52:46.100
And I also believe intimacy, especially, should be private.
02:52:52.100
And all I did was look into actual research of brain scans, not my opinions, or I feel like
02:53:04.740
all that is bullshit until you look at the science.
02:53:32.560
Well, people, if English is your second language, sometimes people have difficulty articulating
02:53:38.440
precisely what their points are in a very, in a coherent manner.
02:53:44.060
And that, you're laughing because that sounds really insulting.
02:53:55.640
I, my first language was French, and I am also not as nearly sharp as, for example, Andrew
02:54:14.140
So, some people do this, you know, as a job, and some people enjoy to insult others to win
02:54:28.880
It's just, it's just, you're trying to get specific details, and what I'm trying to do
02:54:34.880
is that my experience will coincide with other people's experience.
02:54:40.940
Okay, you've kind of sent us on a wild goose chase here because I asked you, I brought, I
02:54:49.920
I started asking about your divorce, and then you, you mentioned in your pre-show notes that
02:54:56.820
And then, but now you, then you start bringing up edge of you, and now you're saying that
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that wasn't the case for your husband, and you were just like me.
02:55:04.720
Well, you know, let me, um, let me push back on the chatter for a second.
02:55:22.960
So, the thing is, is, um, even in the Orthodox Church for addiction, addiction can be considered
02:55:33.200
It's always the last thing that you want to do, obviously, is get a divorce, but addiction
02:55:45.260
Uh, so, you know, I'm, I'm trying to hear her out and see what the kind of concerns were
02:55:51.820
I don't believe her studies so far, but I'm willing to hear her out, and I'm, I'm not trying
02:55:57.460
I just want to kind of listen to what your arguments are so I can hear them and see if
02:56:15.980
Oh, well, I mean, the question was, how can you break a vow with God in words?
02:56:20.880
So, um, my, my trauma, um, is not something that I need to explain and science, it's something
02:56:28.440
And, and I want you to question the science of it, because if you can't question the science,
02:56:34.640
Are you talking about the, well, actually, we shouldn't go there because of YouTube TOS,
02:56:44.820
Heroin high feels very similar to a very intense climax.
02:56:49.440
You can very well become addicted to climax, climaxing.
02:56:54.280
Um, well, thank you, because, um, again, this is what people experience and, um, I feel
02:57:01.140
like that should validate, um, a lot that it is poisonous.
02:57:06.080
I feel like if anybody's pushing back against porn, it's because they have their own, um,
02:57:13.620
insecurity over it and insecurity that you can't stop.
02:57:26.180
Then I hear the three-year-old come running across the house.
02:57:31.480
Opens the door and says, Mr. Grinch is in my room.
02:57:39.860
Not, not, not sure where to go with that, but yeah, no, uh, I'm adamantly and vehemently
02:57:44.980
against pornography, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to take your arguments at face
02:57:49.820
It doesn't mean that just because you happen to be against the same thing that I'm against,
02:57:53.480
that that means I agree with what it is that you're saying.
02:57:59.860
That's why I admire you, because, um, you do question, and we should be questioning.
02:58:03.700
And, um, the science of it, especially, is something that we should question.
02:58:11.460
Yes, of porn, of what happens to your mind when you consume thousands and thousands of
02:58:21.740
Yes, I, believe it or not, it builds up, and I'm not saying this is my experience, this
02:58:27.880
And subconsciously, you're watching millions of phalluses.
02:58:44.020
I've been over here taking notes with all the craddle.
02:58:46.560
I can't, I can't make heads or tails for any of this.
02:59:00.020
Can someone read the definition of addiction to this chick, or would that make me addicted
02:59:08.680
I think you should look up the addiction, the definition of addiction.
02:59:16.080
Yeah, because I feel like you're a little confused.
02:59:21.580
So that would be, I think that this is the most charitable definition we can give.
02:59:27.460
When you have a strong physical or psychological need or urge to do something or use something.
02:59:33.320
I would agree that that's probably pretty concise, right?
02:59:48.120
Can synapses get wired in a way where they believe what they watch is true to life?
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Would they assume that is what they should expect in their future?
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He's saying impressionable kids and constant brain growth.
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Meaning, can they start thinking about reality in a way that isn't exactly true?
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Or start thinking about it in a way which conditions them?
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Hey, Brian, all in all, I think she's just another brick in the wall.
03:00:43.320
How do you know the name of this institute where you're referencing all this research,
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and I like to keep actual studies and knowledge, you know.
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was he not, like, having sexual intercourse with you?
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And I believe sometimes privacy should be valued.
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Let us not talk poorly of the French-Canadians.
03:10:03.900
What frequency do you think you're on right now?
03:10:31.600
What frequency do you think you're on right now?
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The frequency that you're on right now is what?
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Is that the frequency that you're on right now?
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Come on, you're looking like you want to say yes.
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and I don't believe we have to consume anything.
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Let me get through some more of our pre-show notes here.
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Let's see, we'll get into the feminist stuff in a bit,
03:14:01.240
And I don't have like anything against any woman
03:14:03.980
that does anything to provide for themselves either.
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for a man to pay a woman to go on a platonic date with her.
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I asked this rich dude who paid to have tea with me,
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and he said verbatim that he just loves the company
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I mean, maybe my circumstances will change when I'm 70,
03:14:59.680
I don't think I'd be compelled to like pay a porn star
03:15:23.020
Wait, is this a face tattoo or is that like a stamp?
03:15:29.280
I got it as like a badumcha to show like I'm misguided
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I also got it because my twin sister has a birthmark of like the same size
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So, I did it to like kind of send out a message to normalize things like that.
03:15:48.460
How long have you been involved in doing OnlyFans?
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Like, I want, if they subscribe to me, they'll know.
03:16:35.520
Have you done any, had any sugar baby, sugar daddy arrangements?
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I saw people were talking about like having platonic sugar daddies.
03:17:01.820
I don't see a sugar daddy situation as platonic.
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I find that as a distinction, in which case I would say no.
03:17:08.760
But, I mean, it depends how you define sugar daddy.
03:17:10.420
So the sugar daddies you've had, you've had sex with them?
03:17:17.760
You've had men who just give you money for nothing, essentially.
03:17:20.660
I mean, if you want to call it that, I kind of would say so.
03:17:32.680
Never sent like pornographic photos to the guys.
03:17:41.660
I've had random like men like ask to do what she's saying,
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I'll meet someone at a predetermined restaurant.
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They'll hand me an envelope with money in it for my company.
03:18:15.080
It's nothing crazy, but it's like an hour of my time and free food, you know?
03:18:33.020
but like to me, it's like how are you not continuing like fucking upselling them?
03:18:42.500
So I think maybe like when I, like I haven't in a while.
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I want you to keep in mind like in my timeline, like I'm in a relationship, right?
03:18:50.080
And like I don't think he'd mind if I hung out with a guy and got paid.
03:18:53.300
He knows like I'm a stripper and stuff, but like I just haven't because I haven't had time.
03:18:58.920
I have not like gone out and met anyone lately.
03:19:01.600
When I did, which like I said, I'm not opposed to again, if a guy wants to pay to take me to dinner, that's cool.
03:19:07.540
When I did, there might have been like one or two that maybe like paid to see me again, like once or twice.
03:19:12.700
But then they always want something more eventually.
03:19:25.920
No, I have not prostituted, but I don't shame anyone who has.
03:19:33.240
When did you start getting involved in any form of sex work, whether stripping at the club, escorting?
03:19:52.160
What, how were you influenced or who influenced you at such a young age?
03:19:54.840
I was in foster care and it's a very fair question.
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I'm sorry, I didn't even realize it was going to be a two part.
03:20:00.600
Yeah, I was in foster care and my homegirl, she did it first, like platonically was going out meeting men.
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And she's like, yo, you like to go out to eat nice restaurants, stuff like this.
03:20:11.580
Like, and she's a very like seemingly like innocent good girl too.
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So I very much trusted her judgment and it went like fine for me.
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And I had a really, I was in my five year relationship at the time.
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It was like from like 15 through 20, I was in a relationship.
03:20:27.980
So like there were times initially, like before I got comfortable and I was like, I mean, I'm, I know New York like the back of my hand.
03:20:36.780
Um, but in the beginning I would have my now ex-boyfriend, like follow along, tag along, like secretly, like stalk in the shadows and make sure I was safe.
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And so we were like, yeah, this is like too easy.
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Like they don't stop to have the opportunity to stalk me or anything.
03:21:06.540
I know she influenced other people and I know she like strongly encouraged it being platonic, but I also don't recommend it and would say I am lucky and I'm not going to like, like I'm lucky because then she influenced like a very easily manipulated person and something bad happened to that person from what I heard.
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So it's not something that I recommend, but it's something I own and I'm not ashamed of.
03:21:32.180
And no, I wasn't like sexually escorting, but no shame to whoever is either.
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Here, let me read these chats, but I'll come back to that.
03:22:00.220
Everyone gets one with climaxing at what severity of a dopamine hit causes more addiction.
03:22:05.900
Am I addicted to the whatever podcast and getting the, you know, getting the TTS trigger and am I addicted boys?
03:22:21.280
It doesn't have to be a notification on a phone.
03:22:25.400
Oh, and for whatever it's worth, I've always been monogamous.
03:22:42.860
Would you take a minute and have some kind words for the Godfather?
03:22:50.760
I, I didn't, I've watched, you know, a fair amount of his stuff.
03:22:54.000
I'm not super familiar with him, but, uh, he certainly had some very cool moments on the
03:22:58.800
internet and, uh, unfortunately he passed away.
03:23:02.000
So, uh, um, yeah, rest in peace to, uh, Kevin Samuels.
03:23:17.800
Would you take a minute and have some kind words for the Godfather?
03:23:26.400
Andrew, I, I don't know if you're familiar with Kevin Samuels.
03:23:37.320
He, uh, he had a, like, live show where women would call in and ask for dating advice and
03:23:46.100
he would kind of, a lot of them tended to be very entitled and tended to have, be a bit
03:23:51.640
delusional and he would often correct them, uh, you know, he, he would give them advice
03:23:58.580
and oftentimes have to correct them that, hey, you're delusional, your expectations are
03:24:07.960
Well, may the dead rest in knees and happy birthday to him.
03:24:12.280
And then we have a chat here from Matthew Harder.
03:24:14.760
Hey, Brian, just a reminder to everyone, there are places on April 8th in North America where
03:24:23.960
I would love to go to a Pink Floyd concert, anyone?
03:25:02.760
It's better to just be like, yeah, I just like the shirt.
03:25:06.600
Because now you're so dug in, you've, like, you've dug yourself into a spot.
03:25:27.220
If you like the music song, how about just one lyric?
03:26:01.380
Look, honestly, honestly, I, I will, I do not, uh, do the names.
03:26:10.200
And I can't, I can't, if you tell me to sing a song,
03:26:12.660
I feel like some people are just born not being able to, uh, do that.
03:26:21.820
You just, you dug yourself too deep into your position.
03:26:25.720
But if you, but if you ask me to name a lyric from any other song or musician,
03:26:55.820
Um, when he was, when, when Mr. Wilson was singing,
03:27:04.480
There, Jesus, Brian, there will be a solar eclipse on the 8th of April
03:27:11.380
Wait, this is still, I think, another Pink Floyd reference.
03:27:16.220
Yeah, no, if you ask me to repeat whatever line he said, um...
03:27:21.580
Holy shit, remind me never to wear a band t-shirt on this podcast,
03:27:36.800
Brian, were you at home drawing pictures on Tops?
03:28:09.460
Now, let's actually get into Eddie Vedder's discography.
03:28:13.160
I'm a big fan of Hard Son from the Into the Wild.
03:28:23.000
Eddie Vedder did the whole soundtrack for that film.
03:28:50.180
It's like you wait until World of Warcraft comes out.
03:28:52.740
Wait until the World of Warcraft shit comes out.
03:29:17.540
Andrew, what is your opinion on current child support laws?
03:29:23.200
Recently divorced, I know she will spend the money on herself and not the children.
03:29:41.540
I have a lot of foreign friends and family, and I grew up in the room next to them.
03:29:46.460
Andrew, your opinion on the current child support laws.
03:29:49.900
This is why I support court reform in lieu of marriage through an ecclesiastical authority
03:29:55.600
and through the church because of exactly this problem, child support being spent not on the children
03:30:01.280
but on possibly a lavish lifestyle due to the fact that men can many times over-earn what would be necessary
03:30:10.480
to take care of children as far as support laws go.
03:30:13.320
And I think that only the church authority would actually be fair-handed about the dispensation there.
03:30:21.840
I would like to see 100% reforms, and I'd also like to see the state completely remove marriage altogether.
03:30:39.200
You know, I think I did watch a couple episodes.
03:30:41.540
That was like an HBO or Cinemax special or something, right?
03:30:44.360
I think originally it was Showtime, but it was on Netflix, and now it's on Amazon.
03:30:56.780
It's a bit slow, but, you know, you could give it a chance.
03:31:06.460
Give another crack, you know, and skip past all the sex scenes.
03:31:19.480
You said there's societies where men have multiple wives and they're all happy in that
03:31:25.660
That's fine for them as long as it's happy and consensual.
03:31:34.380
You said it's fine for couples to be poly or accept each other for their past as well.
03:31:42.800
Are you fine just with men having multiple partners?
03:31:46.220
No, I'm fine with anyone doing whatever makes them happy.
03:31:48.700
I've never been in a poly situation personally.
03:31:51.900
Um, and nor have any of my partners that I know of.
03:31:56.160
That's just like a boundary that I seem to gravitate toward with men.
03:32:00.000
But, um, I have a lot of friends that are poly and like have, I don't know, their own
03:32:04.820
things going and it's like more power to them, whatever makes them happy.
03:32:11.160
If that's what makes them happy and they're all on the same page about it and they're all
03:32:27.600
But so you're, oh, I got a lot of family in Canada that I didn't know existed till this
03:32:54.960
It was, I kind of popped in my head because of the Canadian family thing.
03:32:58.500
I have a trans family member that I found out exists that I didn't know before.
03:33:13.040
You just, you just basically zeroing in on something that's irrelevant.
03:33:16.880
If you say all, it already encompasses trans people.
03:33:27.200
It just means it doesn't mean, it means nothing.
03:33:30.180
I mean, yeah, it was semi, it was like, it was the intrusive thoughts take over.
03:33:38.160
Since you brought it up, you know, I always avoid these topics, but, uh, let's try to bring
03:33:43.720
this into the realm of dating, would you object to a man not wanting to date a trans woman?
03:33:54.140
Would it be transphobic to not want to date a trans woman?
03:34:00.520
I think people are entitled to their preferences.
03:34:03.560
There's people that will hate me for being okay with people being poly, despite the fact
03:34:10.240
Like people are always going to have their own opinions on things.
03:34:16.260
Do you object to, uh, do you object to men not wanting to date trans women?
03:34:26.060
Well, if, if I was a man, I wouldn't want to date a trans woman either.
03:34:32.120
Um, that's their, like, I don't think that's, um, transphobic.
03:34:38.060
Transphobic if someone says that's not, that's not my choice.
03:34:43.120
No, but I'm actually curious to get your opinion and yours as well about the topic of, um, uh,
03:34:51.000
what you mentioned earlier about dating multiple people.
03:34:53.760
Well, maybe time permitting, we'll come back to that.
03:35:03.420
Let's say a guy, would you object to a guy categorizing or just anybody categorizing a man dating a trans woman?
03:35:18.620
No, let's just have a, like a sort of intellectual analysis conversation about this.
03:35:23.620
Like, my view on this, uh, I shouldn't, maybe I shouldn't have said that.
03:35:47.740
I, not like in a weird sort of way, but, um, I had his spirit inside me.
03:35:56.380
I'm channeling Andrew's deeply toxic and, you know, deeply.
03:36:04.580
I think it would not be straight for a male, no, no, I'll say a man, to date or have carnal
03:36:27.420
It certainly is my, it certainly is Andrew's opinion, but.
03:36:33.980
I mean, I think you're entitled to that opinion.
03:36:46.520
Uh, I think you're, I honestly just think you're entitled to your opinion there.
03:36:55.220
Like, could it be straight for a man to date a trans woman?
03:37:10.720
I, I don't think that they necessarily, I don't know.
03:37:15.040
I think it's a so to each their own for that, to be honest, because it.
03:37:27.020
I've met some trans women that are fully, fully transitioned.
03:37:34.420
But what does that mean when you say fully transitioned?
03:37:46.300
All the woman things you'd want on a woman and none of the male things that would be identifying as a male.
03:37:54.160
Do you, do you think that I can be, as a man, do you think that I can be tricked into believing that, that I'm not trying to say this to be insensitive.
03:38:04.200
But, uh, if you've surgically put, removed your peen and you've put what is essentially, I think my understanding, it's an open wound, basically.
03:38:31.320
Well, because it might not be just like a born biological vagina, but a lot of people would still consider having those, that anatomy down there being having a vagina.
03:38:42.120
So if you're able to kind of correct that medically, a lot of people would still consider now you have a vagina.
03:38:48.780
But there's so much more to being a woman, though, than just talking about the genitals right now.
03:38:54.220
Let's, let's, no, I'll engage you strictly on the genital conversation.
03:39:03.720
I don't know, I haven't, I haven't, like, examined.
03:39:06.540
To be honest, I just had watched, like, this, like, document, short documentary.
03:39:12.440
But just, just, because I was intrigued and I wanted to have a little bit more accurate information since I genuinely didn't know that much about this topic.
03:39:18.400
And it was just from the medical side and literally, like, how they take, how, like, how they do it.
03:39:24.800
How they change it from what you had before to what you're wanting.
03:39:28.700
Literally just, like, the surgery process of it and how it works and why it works.
03:39:32.800
And why the nerve connections now, like, trans people, after those surgeries, they can climax in the way.
03:40:04.600
Just like a white man can't become a black man.
03:40:11.240
But to this, when those trans people do climax, if they are a M to F, is it going to be sperm?
03:40:22.240
Yeah, it's not going to be, I mean, it's not going to be sperm.
03:40:35.300
Yeah, what else could they ejaculate other than sperm?
03:40:37.760
They, I don't think they really ejaculate that after the...
03:40:51.620
You are still genetically a man, period, end of story.
03:41:02.580
I think this is all, like, very subjective, and I just think, like, they matter.
03:41:15.580
They, unless you're claiming that there are different sex because they've had genital mutilation,
03:41:21.540
I would like to actually hear the rationale for how this is not objective.
03:41:24.620
Yeah, but, see, that's a claim that can be made.
03:41:26.920
You can, like, disagree with that, but there are people that firmly believe that.
03:41:31.820
That's why I feel this question is so subjective.
03:41:33.020
Yeah, so people can firmly believe things that aren't true, right?
03:41:36.340
There's a lot of species that switch sexes, and then they're generally considered.
03:41:40.780
Our species is not one of those species that can switch sexes.
03:41:44.260
Unless, are you claiming, are you claiming that humans can switch their sex?
03:42:12.200
Meaning how we perceive a male or a female as being, as far as behavioral characteristics
03:42:16.180
go, we can say that's socially constructed, right?
03:42:21.500
However, sex and sex characteristics themselves, those are not socially constructed.
03:42:28.240
Meaning, if you were in a coma, and you were the last person on Earth who existed, your sex
03:42:37.600
I mean, but they get their, like, IDs changed and everything, and, like...
03:42:43.720
You can get your ID changed right now to doctor.
03:42:47.700
You could change your name to doctor such and such.
03:42:53.860
No, but I'm saying, like, if in the scenario you just said, like, technically, wouldn't they
03:42:57.560
be looked at as, like, a woman on their... or a man or whatever they have identified as
03:43:03.120
and gone through, like, the procedures to become, like, on their deathbed?
03:43:07.660
Wouldn't, like, the doctors still, like, perceive them as that?
03:43:15.000
Here, let me give you an example of how untrue this actually is.
03:43:19.960
Let's assume for a second that there was a virus that only affected males and not ever females.
03:43:27.680
If somebody had transitioned from a male to a female, would that virus still affect them?
03:43:36.560
Biologically, I guess it would be capable of affecting them, in theory, in this, like,
03:43:44.080
There are some viruses which only affect different sexes.
03:43:48.120
I don't know if you're aware of that, but the question becomes, if that is true and it
03:43:52.740
would still affect them, then you have just determined that their sex has not been changed.
03:44:04.500
How could it be subjective if you just gave an objective measure?
03:44:23.560
People do things animals wouldn't and shouldn't do, like pollute the earth and whatever other
03:44:35.800
Obviously, we can transcend what lower animals do, and I know this, because we eat them and
03:44:40.800
seem to think it's okay, and we don't eat people and seem to think that's not okay.
03:44:53.080
Clearly, you hold people in a different regard than other animals, then, don't you?
03:44:59.720
I mean, I was vegan for years, but I'm not currently, so I'm not going to say your claim
03:45:06.500
Yeah, that claim went out the window the second you had that nice tri-tip steak, didn't it?
03:45:10.360
But I do think that we as a society are corrupted in many ways and could do better.
03:45:18.380
Like, if being vegan was more easily accessible, everyone could do it, and we could be ethical
03:45:25.700
and not eat animals, but it's not an easy thing to do either.
03:45:34.320
Yeah, so, I mean, you could be a vegan if you wanted to be.
03:45:44.760
Yeah, so you're not a vegan because you like to eat meat.
03:45:50.040
So clearly you think that eating meat, that eating animals, consuming their flesh after
03:45:57.520
If you think that that's true, clearly you hold people in a different regard than animals.
03:46:02.320
I think we, like, that's why people identify themselves as sinners, because we all do things
03:46:07.100
that are bad, and I think that is bad, actually.
03:46:13.500
I think it's socially normal, but I don't think it's, like, good.
03:46:28.960
And now suddenly you're going to start again because you suddenly had the realization that
03:46:36.940
It's an immoral thing that I've turned a blind eye to, but I shouldn't.
03:46:53.100
And do you consider eating meat to be on par with human cannibalism?
03:47:02.240
Well, if the answer is no, and you don't, then you must hold animals in a different regard
03:47:08.800
So just saying that we're animals would still make no sense.
03:47:11.020
I agree with the fact that I hold animals, and we as a society, and not just myself, but
03:47:16.560
yes, including me, hold animals in a different regard than other people.
03:47:21.240
So if you do, then just saying that we're animals would be a silly argument, right?
03:47:25.480
Because you clearly believe that there's something distinctive between us and animals, or you
03:47:31.280
I think any other animal would favor its brethren and its species over us and other species.
03:47:36.960
Animals eat each other all the time, including within their own species.
03:47:44.940
I didn't say every animal, but many of them do.
03:47:47.360
And almost all the carnivores will eat their dead.
03:47:54.820
At the end of the day, when human remains are discovered, they can be identified by bone structure.
03:48:00.060
They don't look at male bones and say, I wonder if this person identified as a female.
03:48:15.280
Any other sexuality that's escaping my mind at the moment.
03:48:33.880
Yeah, but you do, because you think everybody matters.
03:48:36.620
All and everybody, what's the distinction between those two words?
03:48:47.800
Yeah, the negative connotation, I don't care to even remotely affiliate with the negative connotation surrounding the term that has been established.
03:48:58.480
Let's forget the political connotation for a second.
03:49:03.040
When you say all, meaning everyone, everybody matters, that would necessarily be inclusive of trans people and everybody else, right?
03:49:16.280
So then the only reason that you're making these special distinctions and categories is it's a virtue signal, correct?
03:49:29.060
It's you saying that I hold this category in this regard as being special in some way, which is why I'm singling it out.
03:49:35.320
I think newer, like, categories, like trans was kept in the dark for longer, so it does need to be mentioned.
03:49:43.380
Certain categories need to be mentioned more because they're more modern women's rights as well because women didn't have the same rights just within, like, the past century.
03:49:55.080
You think it's maximum virtue in order to identify these groups, which you consider to be oppressed, and then give them some type of special shout out.
03:50:02.700
That is literally the definition of virtue signaling.
03:50:12.600
I'm just sticking with what the facts of the matter are.
03:50:16.360
But the facts of the matter are, that's what I'm doing.
03:50:26.760
So back to the question at hand as to whether or not trans individuals, if you engage a M to F transitioner to them having sex with a fellow male, can you explain how that's not homosexual sex?
03:50:45.580
I'm going to need you to repeat that because something, like, semi-interesting.
03:50:48.520
If two men have sex, how are they not homosexuals?
03:50:56.160
By their own boundaries and definition, I'm guessing in that circumstance.
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I'm not a man, so I can't put myself on that perspective.
03:51:04.540
So let's assume for a second, then, that it's based on self-ID.
03:51:08.640
If two men are engaged in a sex act and one of them decides to change their gender in the middle of having sex, is it now a heterosexual sex act?
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Meaning, let's assume one of them says, I'm a woman, one says, I'm a man.
03:51:23.660
But in the middle of them having sex, one says, you know what?
03:51:45.740
As long as you self-ID as being this thing, and your boundaries support this thing, then a person in the middle of having sex with another person, the other person could say, well, now my gender is this, and that would make them a homosexual.
03:52:02.600
And, like, how they identify every, like, their cards should be laid on the table beforehand.
03:52:09.260
They should be, transparency and boundaries matter.
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That's all it comes down to, transparency and boundaries matter.
03:52:14.500
Yeah, but this doesn't answer us to the question.
03:52:16.180
I think if someone was to say something mid-sex of that regard, it would matter what their intention is and what their relationship is.
03:52:33.800
I think, like, the way you're describing it sounds like it's of malicious intent, in which case I would think that that's, like, malicious.
03:52:41.260
Then I mean, as long as they're aware, like, maybe, like, they switch gender.
03:52:47.120
Maybe, like, they're aware in advance that their partner switches gender.
03:52:53.220
I haven't met anyone that, like, identifies as that or does that.
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But, like, if they're aware of that with each other and two consenting adults, then I don't think it matters.
03:53:10.500
And in the middle of them having sex, can one of them change their race?
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All they have to do is decide they're a different race, right?
03:53:27.760
Now it's gender identity, not a biological reality.
03:53:30.520
So if it's just a gender identity, then can you explain why?
03:53:37.860
If it's a biological reality and it's two people of the same sex having sex, how is it not homosexual sex then?
03:53:53.220
But I just think there's a lot of different ways people nowadays identify and have their own sexuality and are not in conformity.
03:54:03.100
They identify as being black and then they identify as being white.
03:54:10.840
Going from gender to race, it's just, it's not the same.
03:54:25.220
So they can change their race in the middle of having sex then, right?
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Is it a social construction or a biological reality?
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I know that you can do a 23andMe and see like your race and background that's in your blood.
03:54:46.440
So then if it's a biological reality, race, if race is a biological reality and you can't
03:54:51.840
change that in the middle of sex and your sex is a biological reality, which you can't
03:54:56.660
change in the middle of sex, then it would have to be homosexual sex.
03:55:00.640
There couldn't be any other, there couldn't be anything else it could be.
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I feel like people can identify as whatever they'd like and people move...
03:55:46.140
If Andrew is ever lighting a cigarette, you never, you never switch away.
03:55:59.780
All right, let me read a couple chats here and then you guys can continue talking about
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gay sex or whatever it was you guys were talking about.
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By the way, I just want to take this moment while we're talking about gay sex and stuff
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So, I was just going to say I put out these Dragon Ball Z VHS containers.
03:57:35.400
And all the astrology lovers on the panel, there will be a solar eclipse on the 8th of
03:57:47.000
Can somebody fucking cipher his super chats, bro?
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There's like some words are capitalized and shit.
03:57:59.640
Andrew, why do you always look like you're about to cry?
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And why do you do that tick with your head where you turn it to your left?
03:58:07.380
All these women are smarter than not so fucking bright.
03:58:17.020
I can't help the fact that I have a negative cantle tilt, okay?
03:58:29.100
So maybe that's why I always look like I'm sad even though I'm always happy.
03:58:37.860
They're not all smarter than not so fucking bright.
03:58:51.300
If you have Amazon Prime, you can link it to your quick Twitter.
03:58:53.720
There's a quick, free, easy way to support the show every single month.
03:59:02.640
You know what I should have said in retrospect?
03:59:05.880
What I should have said was, I look like I'm always about to cry because I'm on a panel
03:59:21.040
We started talking about that stuff because, like, you brought that up super fucking randomly.
03:59:35.500
If I didn't want to date a trans woman, do you...
03:59:41.500
I think that's your preference you're entitled to.
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Okay, but I would think it might be not straight to suck a woman's dick.
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Because you said, right, because a woman could have a penis.
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Because you could be a trans woman, but not have...
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You could be a trans woman, but not have had bottom surgery, and still have your peen,
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The thing is, most people right now will say that it doesn't matter.
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If they're identifying as a woman, then technically, yes, they're going to be a woman, like, for
04:00:56.680
So if you gave one of these women in a dress a blowjob, you would be a lesbian.
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That doesn't sound insane and ridiculous to you at all.
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Like, the second you actually said the word, sure, did you think to yourself, that's the
04:01:18.500
Well, for me, personally, I just really don't care, because me, personally...
04:01:24.780
Well, I get that you don't care, but, you know, if we're talking about it, if you just
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basically sucked off a dude in a dress, you would actually say that that's lesbian sex?
04:01:45.840
Going back to the original, why he even brought that up, is because he's saying people say that
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So a man is with someone who is a trans woman that really is a man, so therefore, that's
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like the long way around of going being homosexual, is what it is, so...
04:02:10.720
I think people are entitled to their preferences.
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I think, honestly, everybody, like, in my opinion, anybody can decide how they feel, like, if
04:02:21.180
But we're not saying preference in the sense, because he's saying specifically, people are
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being called transphobic for something that they...
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I think that it's such a progressive concept that, to be quite honest, most people don't
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really have a solid, firm identity of how they would deal with that or what they would
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label that as, because it's just so complicated.
04:02:44.780
Well, no, let me give a little pushback there, because I do.
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See, I think that they would say, well, no, you're gay.
04:02:54.340
I think they would say, if a dude was blowing another guy, I think they would say, you're
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I don't think there's any confusion at all, in fact.
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I think I would be interested in the take of a trans person and how they perceive that,
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I can only empathize with their plights and the way they're stigmatized in society.
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Why do I need to put myself in their shoes to understand that if a dude blows another
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I don't understand the mentality of everybody else in the world.
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Why do I need to understand the mentality of somebody else to know that if a dude blows
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Wait, you said because we're talking about a woman?
04:04:02.600
I was just going to say because we're talking about somebody who's identifying as a woman.
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But, yes, but if you're talking about everybody in the world, we'll look at that and be like,
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It's not going to be viewed like that from everybody in the world, especially a lot of
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I think anything involving the community is inherently queer.
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So, you could say that it's not straight, but I wouldn't say that everyone's going to
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No, I think almost everybody's going to say that it's gay.
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In fact, let me just point out, here's one thing.
04:04:35.680
I think right now that if we went down any American street, which exists, and we were
04:04:44.020
to ask people, sir or ma'am, if a man sucked off a man who was wearing a dress, would you
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I think a very important point to make and why I'm thinking...
04:05:01.220
I think that if it's a man in a dress, then it's a man in a dress.
04:05:07.520
I think if it's somebody identifying as a woman in a dress, then it's somebody identifying
04:05:14.600
And we'll say, we go down the same street and we say, sir, there's a man who's going
04:05:19.380
to suck off another man who identifies as a woman.
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There's two males, but one identifies as a woman and one's about to suck the other one off.
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I think that not everybody's going to say that's gay.
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So I think it falls under the umbrella of queer.
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And then each person is going to personally define that instance.
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Yeah, but that would mean if it's queer or LGBTQ, let me make sure I got this right, lesbian,
04:05:57.700
right, gay, so far, am I correct so far, bisexual, transgender, and queer, this is all other than
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Here is an overarching umbrella that includes all of those things.
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Bisexual is alluding to people who also have sex with the same-sex.
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Bisexual doesn't necessarily mean sex with the same-sex.
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If you only had sex with the opposite sex, how could you be bisexual?
04:06:40.880
So, there could be bisexual people who are only attracted to, like, trans women and, like...
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I've never met a trans, male-born female person who's wanted to keep their male genitalia,
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Who cares if they keep the genitalia or don't keep the genitalia?
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I mean, based on my experience with, like, trans people, they cared.
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So, I don't think it's fair to categorize them with these hypothetical scenarios that don't
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I think it's unfair for you not to consider same-sex activity to be homosexual.
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I think you're being the most unfair you can be.
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I just think your hypothetical is non-applicable.
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Let's see if we can map this on to something which is not a hypothetical.
04:07:56.080
There was a music video recently of a man who went on to Adam 22's show after he made
04:08:03.520
And the music video was all about how his trans lover was better than if he was a heterosexual.
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And he talked all about how they engaged in all sorts of sex acts with each other.
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So, now we're not in a hypothetical world anymore.
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It's not, like, in my sphere of things that I am accustomed to.
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But everyone and their preference, like, they're entitled to it.
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I don't think we're gonna get any progress there.
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I do think, though, if a dude is S-ing the D of a trans woman...
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I don't understand what queer means if it doesn't mean same sex.
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Bisexuals alluding to some sort of same sex attraction.
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I think your limited views on that come from the fact that you're determined there are only two sexes.
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There's an indefinite amount of genders because of the social construction.
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But queer is going to involve anybody who identifies under any branch of whatever gender they feel like they are.
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That you can identify as whatever gender you are.
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The question still comes down to if two people who are engaged in sex, sexual activities who are this in sex, how would they not be under the umbrella of queer?
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So why is it then, even if we ascribe an indefinite amount of genders to people, same-sex activity would be homosexual, sexual activity, correct?
04:10:45.540
I'm going to ask a question to Andrew, then we're going to move on.
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Andrew, would it be helpful, perhaps for the more conservative position on this, to basically just say that we reject gender entirely and we only view this through the framework of sex?
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The second you say it's social construction, you're already rejecting it as anything other than a concept of the mind.
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So I'll accept the argument from the left of gender, because it's irrelevant to me.
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You can have as many fashion statements as you want.
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I can accept all of that as being true, but they're just concepts of the mind.
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What is not a concept of the mind is your biology.
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It's going to exist absent your social construction.
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And base opinions on their personal experience and the 12 people they know.
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Shout-out to Andrew for keeping the convo intellectual.
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And one of the stupidest things about this generation is that, or as I like to call it,
04:12:27.560
Now, if I think I'm Napoleon, why not force everyone to adapt to me?
04:12:32.120
Well, I think you being Brazilian is probably going to be an issue there when it comes to
04:12:55.120
A solar eclipse in almost a quarter of America.
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Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Illinois, Kentucky, Tennessee, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, Connecticut,
04:13:15.700
The solar eclipse is going to last longer than any other one.
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He's just a fan of telescopes and things getting blacked out, like the sun.
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Why don't you, do you want to tell us about the alcoholic racist?
04:14:18.100
Canceled and literally told me point blank that.
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Bro, even if you say it, like, in a quote, it just, oh, my God.
04:14:41.540
Just understand that the, that Brian's streaming to YouTube, and they are very, very sensitive
04:14:47.280
about this topic, so if you're going to, if you're going to discuss it at all, the best
04:14:52.180
thing to do is just say, yeah, he didn't particularly care for that who I kept.
04:15:04.160
So, you also said, why do men not know how to act properly?
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I feel like people in general just lack social skills.
04:15:23.020
My favorite is when men ask you out on a date and then expect you to go to their house.
04:15:39.220
But is that just as soon as they do that, just no go?
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So, if someone asks me out, my general rule is if you ask me out, I'll go out with you.
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Just mostly because I look like a bitch all the time.
04:15:53.200
So, if you have the balls to ask me out, I'll say yes.
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But if you say, come over to my place, it's an immediate no.
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So, you say men don't know how to act properly.
04:16:38.620
They lack in basic manners, but maybe you're just too old school.
04:16:44.760
And when they get one, they don't talk or they're rude to you or they just get drunk.
04:17:06.660
What's wrong with, what's going on with dudes dating in Maryland?
04:17:19.760
I can give you an exact conversation on how with the man.
04:17:45.960
So, you put a seed in the ground and you hope for the best.
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And then he asked me five minutes later, what you doing?
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This poor guy was just trying to use the Socratic method, you know.
04:17:58.440
And you shut him down over the Socratic method.
04:18:02.240
Why are we having a conversation about picking beans in a garden?
04:18:12.660
Every single conversation I had with this man was like chewing on drywall and washing
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Women are the most guilty of being dog shit communicators.
04:18:42.560
If you've ever been on a dating app in your life, one word answers.
04:18:55.200
A lot of women can't just give you a just straight up rejection.
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Or a lot of women are just on the dating apps for validation and attention.
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They have no intention of actually meeting up with the guy.
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But they'll just, oh, I'm getting like a subtle amount of attention from a maybe okay
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But okay, I'll just fucking give him one word answers.
04:19:23.720
Most of the dates I've been on from dating apps, which is a lot, you guys are terrible
04:19:37.460
I think people in general are terrible at conversation.
04:19:42.240
Chat, you guys have been on dates, dating apps, whatever.
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If I did what women do on a first date, it would be like dead silent because you guys
04:19:55.120
have this expectation of us to lead the conversation and to have initiative and, you know, direct
04:20:04.160
I'll ask questions and I could ask a girl like seven things about her and I'll like add
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So lacking reciprocal conversation or interest.
04:20:23.440
I feel like you should stay off the dating apps.
04:20:30.520
Like if I did what women did on a first date...
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Has that been your guys' experience on like from any sort of dating?
04:20:41.200
You meet a girl for a first date, what doesn't matter how you met her, although obviously
04:20:45.000
there's better ways than dating apps to meet a woman.
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If you didn't carry the conversation, you have to carry the conversation as a guy.
04:20:58.160
I tend to carry it most of the time on the dates that I go on.
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I've encountered women that are decent conversationalists.
04:21:07.480
But it occurs to me, like if I just did what women did and I just like...
04:21:17.800
Like if I just stopped talking on a date, it would be silent.
04:21:22.640
I think a lot of times women do do that if they're not interested.
04:21:39.380
But also sometimes I think because when you meet somebody online...
04:21:44.700
You meet someone online and then sometimes when you meet them in person, it's completely different.
04:21:57.060
When you meet these women in person after you remove all the filters that they've put on their photos...
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And the caked on makeup and the precise lighting and the posing...
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The woman I meet in person looks nothing like her dating app profile photos.
04:22:19.020
No, I don't think men should use filters and makeup.
04:22:26.980
I feel like we expect everybody else to entertain us.
04:22:32.320
And you expect to entertain or you expect for us to entertain you when we should be entertaining ourselves.
04:22:37.580
You can get a Netflix subscription if you want entertainment.
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I'm not here to be your dancing monkey entertainment.
04:23:01.200
I've been on so many dating app dates and I'd be asking these girls about their boring fucking ass job.
04:23:08.340
You got to ask about their boring ass fucking job.
04:23:13.600
And then I'm like, yo, I've got an interesting job.
04:23:18.060
It never occurred to you, lady from dating app, to ask me about my kind of unique job.
04:23:24.300
Not that I really even want to talk about my job.
04:23:27.060
But I'm like, this would be your opportunity to actually contribute to the conversation.
04:23:49.900
You don't really care how much they make, I'm guessing, right?
04:23:53.400
Would you date a girl that works at McDonald's?
04:24:03.400
I also wanted to say piggybacking off your other thing.
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But I mean, it fits me because I'm so equal, so pro-equality.
04:24:18.420
I'm mentioning that because I think that that's beneficial for the woman because now my man pays the rent.
04:24:25.480
If you really like someone, nowadays I do basically agree on the one hand with the one point that women are in a better position to pursue men than vice versa.
04:24:35.520
You can have the conversation go south immediately.
04:24:37.720
So, okay, let me give two things on the whole paying thing.
04:24:42.180
The most optimum thing you can do as a man is to just pay for the date.
04:24:46.880
Like, that's the most optimum thing you can do.
04:24:48.600
We can have conversations about what's equal, what's fair, et cetera.
04:24:51.900
We can have conversations of all these non-traditional women still expecting, feeling entitled to, and demanding traditional treatment from men.
04:24:59.340
But that really, at the end of the day, even the most, we, Andrew, you remember the girl from the last show, the OF girl, the porn star, wanted traditional treatment.
04:25:08.440
Even non-traditional women who are engaged in sex work and are highly promiscuous still feel entitled and expect men to adhere to their traditional gender roles.
04:25:23.020
It's the optimum thing because you don't always know who you're going to get.
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You don't know, really, unless you have a conversation about it, which could be detrimental.
04:25:30.980
The best thing is to just pay for the first date.
04:25:33.220
But also, I'd recommend to men, if you are kind of like, you know, trying to be a little frugal, you can do something for free or you could do something simple like coffee or go get like a drink.
04:25:44.020
Like, I think food dates are fucking terrible, especially for first dates, because it's just like, you always, whether you're the woman or the man, you always want an easy out.
04:25:55.060
Like, if it's just weird, it's like, you don't want to be waiting 30 minutes for food and, like, feel obliged to stay.
04:26:01.460
If you get coffee or if you get a drink, you can just dip.
04:26:03.980
I recommend, like, museums or something entertaining, too, because then you can tell if they're interested in you or they're just, like, using the art and stuff to distract.
04:26:12.500
But, but, just last thing on the, so, the optimum move as a guy is to just pay for it, but it's, if the girl's down to pay, but she's doing it like she's a simp, I think that's the best position.
04:26:27.080
But most girls, most girls aren't down to simp like that, so.
04:26:29.820
How do you, like, define, like, what's the barrier there?
04:26:32.660
What's, like, simping to you and, like, why is it optimal for a guy to pay?
04:26:36.720
Like, she wants you so bad that she's going to pay.
04:26:46.720
But if they are, that's great, because then that's a, that's a better position to be in as a guy.
04:26:52.360
I think a woman could pick up the check with someone she's interested in, and it doesn't mean she's, like, simping.
04:26:57.400
I mean, it's, it's, I think it means, like, she's showing interest since it's so normal for guys to pay.
04:27:01.720
Yeah, it could be a little, it could be a little less intense than, like, full-on simping, but when women simp for men, that usually is, like, men are going to find that pretty appealing, whereas when men simp for women, that's not, women ain't going for that.
04:27:21.060
I'm talking, like, within the context of a initial meeting very early on.
04:27:26.880
You said you took an issue, you took issue with my BLM movement, Big Labia's, Big Labia Matter, what's up?
04:27:35.740
I thought we clarified that and said I don't actually have an issue.
04:27:39.020
I have an issue with the bowing, I decided that.
04:27:43.980
Because I don't think people should bow to other people.
04:27:46.360
Do you think, do you want to get married one day?
04:27:49.600
So you want a man to get down on one knee, like a groveling.
04:27:56.220
He could just look at me and say, let's get married, and I'll say, okay.
04:28:00.580
But that's what a lot of people do when they propose.
04:28:11.820
I don't like the idea of bowing to another person.
04:28:19.300
The back of your head is towards another person.
04:28:22.380
But isn't it usually done as a sign of respect in Eastern cultures?
04:28:26.220
It is, but I don't, I mean, we don't live in an Eastern culture.
04:28:33.720
I don't think a person is deserving of that level of respect.
04:28:40.440
I mean, how much respect are they deserving of?
04:28:43.760
The only one you should bow to is God, in my opinion.
04:28:47.060
I don't think you should be bowing to another person.
04:28:56.220
If you were in Japan and there was a custom there to, like, bow to the host, would you do it?
04:29:01.780
I just probably wouldn't go to Japan, to be honest.
04:29:03.860
No, I think she's, Nick, can you play the bowing video?
04:29:06.900
She doesn't like this video, because I always show this video where it's like, yeah, I'd
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want my girlfriend to bow to me when she greets me at the door.
04:29:19.360
I mean, you can get, like, a what's up head nod.
04:29:28.940
I've gotten home to my million dollar penthouse.
04:29:31.980
She can stir the noodles and feed it to you like a child.
04:29:52.080
Yeah, that's so I would want my girl to bow to me like that.
04:30:00.480
Would you take interest in a girl who's not willing to do that, like, by any means?
04:30:04.660
No, it's not a deal breaker if she's not down to bow, but is it a big plus if she is?
04:30:26.420
I'm going to get canceled for making assumptions about...
04:30:51.080
In the Old Testament, when Abraham was called Lord, you said you only would bow to God, right?
04:30:59.160
Why is it that so many of the male figures in the Bible are referred to as Lord?
04:31:12.700
I would respect my husband, and I would submit to him, but I don't think I would bow to him.
04:31:19.900
What if it just made his day better if you did?
04:31:45.840
He says, I just want you to, because I like it, and I want you to bow to me.
04:31:53.700
At what point does the I like it end, is my question to you.
04:32:07.920
So let me ask you, what makes you submissive, exactly, to your Christian husband?
04:32:29.120
Are you a Christian, or are you not a Christian?
04:32:30.560
I don't like to say that I'm a Christian, because I feel like too many people who say
04:32:41.960
And would this be Abrahamic God, of which you would believe that Jesus Christ was your
04:32:54.340
I mean, obviously Christian, but I don't like to use the title because there are so many
04:32:58.380
fake people using it, and I don't want to be associated with them.
04:33:04.900
Okay, well, then you're a Christian, so here's the thing.
04:33:08.560
If you're not, if you want to deny, go ahead and deny Christ if you're not a Christian.
04:33:15.600
You're right, because that would make you what, then?
04:33:24.400
I am somebody who believes in the God of the Bible.
04:33:30.660
The reason I don't is because so many people put labels on things because they think it
04:33:37.700
If we're going to reference the Old Testament, why don't we reference?
04:33:43.660
We've had a bunch of exchanges tonight, if you don't mind.
04:33:49.380
Okay, you are a person who believes in Christianity, but do not want to label Christian.
04:33:57.140
Is this because you don't want the responsibilities that come with Christianity, which would include
04:34:02.980
It's because I don't want somebody to look at me and say she's a Christian and then see
04:34:16.260
Yeah, but that's not hypocritical that you made a mistake.
04:34:25.940
I would say it is because you want to be perfect.
04:34:35.440
You're going to fail over and over and over and over.
04:34:46.260
Yeah, so, I mean, if that's true, and it is true, by the way, that nobody's saying that
04:34:53.280
you've been perfection in Christianity, I don't know where that idea even came from.
04:34:56.820
It's the furthest thing from it that I could even imagine is that the requirement of Christianity
04:35:02.900
Jesus came to absolve you of your sins because you're going to sin, right?
04:35:11.960
But I think that you should still have a, I don't want to say facade, but almost, you
04:35:24.200
And I don't want people to look at me and say, she's not perfect, and then call me out.
04:35:32.440
So, it would be better for you to reject your faith because you're concerned that about what
04:35:46.400
Why would it be hypocritical to identify yourself as a Christian even if you weren't perfect?
04:35:54.240
Christianity is the faith and belief that Jesus Christ is Lord, yes?
04:36:08.700
Because I do not want people to look at me and think I'm a hypocrite because I don't do
04:36:14.980
Yeah, but the requirement of Christianity is not to do things perfectly.
04:36:33.220
That's super bizarre to me, but kind of coming back to this, if it is true, even if you don't
04:36:38.260
call it Christianity, that you believe in the Christian ethos and you believe in what
04:36:42.500
Christians believe, what about submission to your husband?
04:36:46.400
I do believe in submitting to my husband, but I don't believe that submitting to my husband
04:36:51.880
Well, then that sounds like you're not submitting.
04:36:54.040
It sounds like you have, you're being willful, right?
04:36:56.420
Fulfilling my husband's every single desire does not mean submitting.
04:37:00.560
That's not fulfilling his every single desire or submission, but what does it cost you to
04:37:12.460
Maybe in her Christian faith, in accordance with citations in the Old Testament, it's
04:37:21.940
Therefore, she does not feel right in bowing to someone besides, as she said God.
04:37:28.660
Plus, that argument makes no sense because bowing to somebody wouldn't make them an idol.
04:37:32.780
There is a citation in the Old Testament where several people died.
04:37:39.980
Is it in the King James, I just made it the fuck up, section 5, verse 3?
04:37:44.560
When the father and his sons died because they refused to bow before a false idol, that
04:38:13.820
This is what's, I can try to frame this as a question, but like, it's so interesting to
04:38:18.840
You can ask women, would you bow for, let's say you were weird, your boyfriend, whatever,
04:38:32.060
And a lot of women would be like, oh, I don't know if I can do that.
04:38:36.260
But what if your husband wants to, I'm going to be a bit vulgar here, put on your earmuffs
04:38:45.840
You'll have women who refuse to like cook their husband a meal.
04:38:50.940
Or you'll have women who refuse to bow, but they'll happily allow their boyfriend to blast
04:39:07.780
You won't make a sandwich, but you'll let me bust a nut on your face?
04:39:25.500
Isn't that disrespectful by cultural appropriation?
04:39:31.100
But actually, if you watch the Tudors and shit, they're fucking bowing.
04:39:37.240
Where did you get the idea that this is just Asian?
04:39:39.920
What I'm saying is that in certain cultures, this is a way to show respect.
04:39:45.100
If we grew up in a culture where this is normal to show respect, I would show respect
04:39:51.120
to my significant other in a million other ways.
04:40:03.360
I mean, it's unfortunate you're not my significant other.
04:40:07.560
So this brings up a fine question, which is to ask this.
04:40:12.120
Are you saying that Japanese Christians who bow are not real Christians?
04:40:24.680
Because it's part of their culture, they can do it.
04:40:27.860
I'm saying, but for me, I just, I don't believe in that.
04:40:42.920
I do not want to bow to another human who is flawed because I believe that there are certain actions that you should only give to God.
04:41:02.480
Okay, what is the difference between curtsy and the bow?
04:41:05.520
I just feel, I feel as though a bow is more, I think that a bow is more respectful than a curtsy boundary.
04:41:23.300
And when you bow, you're in a more vulnerable position.
04:41:26.780
No, no, a proper curtsy, I think you bow the front of your head as well.
04:41:31.160
Can I just say it's curtsy, not just like a dute?
04:41:35.000
Yeah, but I think you bow your head down with it.
04:41:38.180
You also kind of do bow your head a little bit.
04:41:43.920
So is your primary thing like you're putting yourself in this like vulnerable position?
04:41:53.360
Would you be Little Spoon while cuddling your husband?
04:41:55.760
You realize how much more vulnerable of a position it is to be Little Spoon with your husband?
04:42:01.820
This guy's a fucking jujitsu, 10th degree black belt.
04:42:23.940
So talking about jujitsu, every class we bow to the coaches and the masters.
04:42:32.500
I mean, what I'm saying is to show respect in any way, you should show respect and maybe
04:42:42.840
I mean, if you walk into like, let's just say hypothetically, you walk into a jujitsu gym
04:42:48.600
and at the beginning of class, everybody does a bow, are you going to say no because you
04:42:56.540
I just won't participate in the activity that requires that.
04:43:06.440
Because you need to be humbled and show some respect and maybe put down your ego a little
04:43:12.060
But my point is, I believe that there are certain actions that belong to God.
04:43:19.400
I believe that bowing is a very, very respectful thing.
04:43:23.760
Is there anything codified that it's like you can't bow in the Bible?
04:43:31.780
In fact, she just got done saying it's cultural.
04:43:34.820
So she says it's cultural and Christians in different cultures can bow and it's not an
04:43:39.460
How in the world can she say in her culture it is?
04:43:42.900
For me, it is an action that I do not give to another man or another human.
04:43:55.180
I will not bow to a human because I look at it as such a high form of respect that only
04:44:02.600
Well, I bow to my priest when I'm in divine liturgy.
04:44:14.420
So is it just your personal opinion then that nobody should bow unless it's in front
04:44:21.220
No, because I look at it as such a high form of respect that only God deserves.
04:44:28.740
If you look at it and you're like, oh, it's just common respect and common courtesy, then
04:44:39.960
We're going to move on here, but last thing on the bow thing, I notice you're wearing
04:44:49.160
If your husband was like, yo, get rid of that shit, are you going to do it?
04:45:03.920
I love cows, and cows have nose rings, so I got a nose ring because I love cows.
04:45:13.720
Hey, the idol that comes to your mind in Christianity is a golden what?
04:45:23.240
I just think cows are cute, so I got it because I was like, I want to be cute like a cow.
04:45:32.160
Your boyfriend says, I don't want you wearing that.
04:45:38.980
I can flip it up, and then when he puts a ring on it, I'll remove it permanently.
04:45:52.920
Gigi says, oh, my God, it's fucking lagging again.
04:45:57.720
Have you actually thought about this before tonight?
04:46:18.000
You can read it since you're kind of laughing at it.
04:46:23.620
Jesus, these women on the right end of the table are so annoying.
04:46:26.720
I didn't like to signal virtues that if I weren't gay and she was the only woman in
04:46:31.140
the world, I would still choose to be gay or a priest.
04:48:31.400
That girl on the right there, this flaked out on us two hours before shoot.
04:48:45.340
She was actually supposed to be on Tuesdays, our last Tuesday show.
04:48:49.940
But, she flaked on that one, and she'd actually, I mean, normally, I'm not as forgiving.
04:48:59.520
The first time, she flaked decently in advance.
04:49:02.000
But, then she flaked on Tuesday for the second time, three hours before the show.
04:49:08.960
Then, she flaked again today, which makes me think that maybe this was some sort of potential sabotage.
04:49:20.900
Well, Nick, you know how the internet's been, like, better or worse?
04:49:25.100
Try to load it up once it's working better, okay?
04:49:34.500
Well, after, we're going to, it looks like it's looking a little better.
04:49:42.380
We're going to react to some tweets, hopefully, in a little bit.
04:50:09.080
Let's talk about, you're going around the table.
04:50:42.140
Oh, did I do the whole, anybody here disagree with me on anything?
04:50:49.220
Anybody, before I get to her, does anybody over, not including her, disagree with me on
04:50:56.740
Or maybe you've seen the show before, anything you've seen in previous shows?
04:51:07.100
Matter of fact, it's not even like a disagreement so much.
04:51:08.960
It's more a question, what is with you and the draft and the affiliation of that with
04:51:18.260
So, do you think it's not a privilege to not, wait, do you think, how do I frame this?
04:51:31.020
Do you think it is not a privilege to not be subject to forced military conscription?
04:51:40.040
I think that the draft was created by Henry Wilson, right?
04:51:45.620
Yeah, it was like first created by Henry Wilson, a man, right?
04:51:50.380
I'm not familiar with the draft, like specifically with the United States.
04:51:58.760
It wasn't invented in whatever year you think it...
04:52:01.780
That's something that's gone on for all of human history.
04:52:12.400
Because in other countries, they include women.
04:52:22.160
With that being said, my point is the implementation of the draft was created by a man,
04:52:27.900
and I feel that it does treat women as though they are inadequate or an equal.
04:52:34.520
More so, I would love to serve in the military.
04:52:58.220
Okay, so first, let's just get this out of the way.
04:53:03.240
And the average weight of a man outweighs a woman, so...
04:53:07.020
And you said you would like to join the military.
04:53:09.300
There's nothing preventing you from joining the military.
04:53:18.900
No, I'm not saying that, like, it's my gender is restricting me from joining the military.
04:53:25.420
I think it's unfair that women are not a part of the draft, but not because they are privileged.
04:53:35.920
I just wanted to know, what was the gentleman's name that you cited as the creator of conscription in the United States?
04:54:00.720
Now that that's confirming, yeah, with that being said.
04:54:08.000
He was a U.S. born 1793, died 1872, was a U.S. Army officer who served in five wars and countless conflicts.
04:54:21.340
Instead of just Googling his name, perhaps Google, like, who imposed the draft in the U.S.
04:54:27.020
We could, but I'm also failing to see how it's at all relevant.
04:54:30.420
I'm just saying, like, it was a decision made by men.
04:54:38.240
Conscription happened long before Henry Wilson put in an official draft act.
04:54:48.080
Well, we've had conscription since the inception of the nation, including the militia.
04:54:52.880
So just letting you know that it is true that as far as an official draft act, no conscription had been going on in the United States for long before that.
04:55:12.680
Well, a singular man on representation of, at the time, like, a Congress and just, like...
04:55:19.100
So men determined that we could not serve in the draft.
04:55:32.080
It's, like, so frustrating debating with you because, like...
04:55:49.200
My point was that you claim we are privileged because of that.
04:55:54.760
Furthermore, there are societal disadvantages that are proven between, like, men and women
04:55:59.980
that we're still, like, the wage gap, of course.
04:56:06.780
There's an earnings gap, and that's because men work different jobs and work more hours
04:56:16.960
It's proven that, like, male doctors make, like, 20 grand a year on average more than women.
04:56:22.620
Okay, I haven't seen the specific data you're referencing.
04:56:35.520
Hang on, because especially male surgeons are in fields specifically that pay a lot more.
04:56:42.520
For instance, if you're a heart doctor versus a toe doctor or proctologist, you may get
04:56:48.900
When you break down by field, that is not the case.
04:57:04.300
So do you think women should be paid the same as men?
04:57:08.180
So what do you think about, for example, in jobs where there's an expectation of having
04:57:15.960
to lift heavy things or physically laborious jobs?
04:57:19.680
Do you think, for example, in the military, men and women should be paid equally?
04:57:23.660
I think they should be paid equally and be given jobs that they are capable of and will
04:57:30.460
Why is it then, for example, when it comes to soldiers, when it comes to police officers,
04:57:36.340
when it comes to firefighters, why are the physical requirements for women lower than
04:57:46.480
If it was the case, far fewer women would get this affirmative action to actually even
04:57:53.900
To simplify it and to reference one of your other shows, though, I think it's as simple
04:58:00.460
Let's say there's a job that says you need to carry 200 pounds from point A to point B,
04:58:08.720
And let's say that men are more physically capable of doing that job, and they can do
04:58:13.380
it faster, and they can go back and forth more times in a given day.
04:58:17.640
Do you think women should be paid the same as men, given that in a day, over the
04:58:23.820
course of a day, they're going to perhaps have an output that's 50% that of men?
04:58:28.620
I think women should be paid the same as men, and I think people's work performance generally
04:58:34.460
is constantly assessed, and if someone's underperforming, then that will be addressed.
04:58:38.500
But more so, I also think, as Andrew and you have referenced in the past, we have guns
04:58:44.300
in the military, which, as you guys have said verbatim yourself, make equal men and women
04:58:51.260
or are the best, like, I can't, I don't want to paraphrase Andrew, but he said something
04:59:02.780
I don't think one should be paid less than the other.
04:59:05.120
There's a lot more to the military than just shooting a guy.
04:59:08.340
I agree, but I think that they should be paid the same, and they have the same abilities,
04:59:13.180
Yeah, do you think that a soldier's duties are limited to shooting?
04:59:16.720
No, I think they go beyond that, and I think there's jobs, like, that people, like, society
04:59:24.000
suggests are more feminine-oriented, like, nurses in the military, too.
04:59:30.740
Military, do you think that soldiers are limited to shooting?
04:59:34.020
Or do you think that they have to carry large quantities of gear and be physically strong?
04:59:39.080
No, no, I mean, anybody who's in combat is going to have to carry a large amount of gear.
04:59:47.640
Aren't men going to be better at doing that than women?
04:59:51.620
I think the gear is, I think you're heavily exaggerating the weight of that gear.
04:59:56.300
No, I don't think I'm heavily exaggerating anything.
04:59:59.000
How much do you think, on average, a soldier carries in gear?
05:00:07.820
But I know that women wear those uniforms and carry that gear, not at the same amount that they do.
05:00:15.160
Well, it's often 70-plus pounds they're carrying all day, but it could be much heavier, upwards of 100 pounds.
05:00:23.400
Do you think that men or women are going to be more equipped to do that, on average?
05:00:27.160
I mean, like I said, like, men are physically heavier, so they physically have a mass in which can carry more.
05:00:33.720
But I don't think that up to 100 pounds is out of either grown person's, like, general ability.
05:00:41.020
Yeah, no, it is outside the purview of most women's abilities to carry 100 pounds around all day long.
05:00:49.280
I'm sure I'm not the only woman in this room that could.
05:00:53.160
I could definitely carry 100 pounds, and I'm sure I'm not the only woman in this room that could.
05:01:05.800
I think the human body is capable of a lot of things, yeah.
05:01:11.680
I think the human body is very strong and very persevering and, yeah, adaptive.
05:01:18.240
Well, if this is the case, then how come it is that women, when they go out for special services selection,
05:01:26.800
And why is it that the infantry has had lower standards for women in order to pass the cut?
05:01:34.720
Why are the standards lower for women with the physical requirements inside of the military?
05:01:41.980
I didn't know they were, so you're asking me a question that I already acknowledged.
05:01:49.800
It's the same thing for most of those types of jobs.
05:01:52.220
The standards, the physical standards are less.
05:01:55.380
They're less rigorous for women than they are for men.
05:01:57.780
Why would you think that that was if you had to guess?
05:02:00.080
I would guess it's proportionate to, like, our average masses and our average, like, capabilities.
05:02:11.380
Yeah, so this would mean on average so that men are far better suited for that role, right?
05:02:15.140
I mean, so if you were in charge of having an armed services of the United States, and you were to have to choose between resources, how much are you going to allocate resources to the soldiers who are fighting in the battles versus the one who are supporting the fighters in the battles?
05:02:33.980
And you were able to determine that one sex was far more capable of fighting the battles than the other.
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Which one would you allocate your resources towards?
05:02:42.900
You're saying this like the people that fight the heaviest get paid the most in the military, which isn't true anyway.
05:02:55.340
If you had to allocate resources between support roles and combat roles, and you found that one sex predominantly was far better at the combat role than the support role, which way would you allocate your resources?
05:03:08.860
You're saying this as if there's only two roles, and if you're hypothetical, it's the only way.
05:03:14.960
I'm literally saying this as though there could be thousands of combat roles and thousands of support roles, but you find that one sex is dominant in the combat roles.
05:03:32.380
Like, yeah, like the roles that are better suited for, like, a higher tier of physical strength are going to be allotted to the higher biological sexist gender tier of physical strength, which is men.
05:03:48.740
But if you're still dancing around the point, I mean, there's so many roles.
05:03:52.340
Walking through the jumble for hours on end, for days on end, carrying huge amounts of gear, fighting day and night, you would allocate your resources towards men, right?
05:04:11.280
Well, the punchline, now that we've gotten through this, is to just say that, generally speaking, then, if you have to allocate resources to what kind of military you want, why wouldn't you try to make standards that towards men?
05:04:39.380
If you can allocate all of the resources of your nation towards a mostly male fighting force or a mostly female fighting force, which one will you do?
05:04:53.500
To the fight, the combat force we just established, I guess combat is better suited if it requires heavier lifting than technically, physically for men.
05:05:03.600
But combat, as I stated for, like, multiple times.
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Combat is not the only role in the military by any stretch of the imagination.
05:05:15.040
Yeah, but every other role is to support people in combat roles.
05:05:24.300
They would tell you that people in support roles in the military know that their job is to support people in combat roles.
05:05:35.000
The job of the American military is to kill our enemies, both foreign and domestic.
05:05:41.300
All support roles are in the endeavor of supporting the people who do that killing on our behalf.
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They're not there to do anything else but to kill the enemies of the United States, both foreign and domestic.
05:05:56.780
The military does other things besides just mass murder, but, like, I hear you.
05:06:08.180
I said that their role is to kill the enemies of the United States, both foreign and domestic.
05:06:15.020
Their job's not to go hand out food at fucking tube kitchens.
05:06:21.500
Their job is to kill the enemies of the United States.
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We're not in the military to speak on their jobs.
05:06:32.020
They get special missions all the time that we can't even, like, fathom that are in order to retrieve items and things of that.
05:06:47.480
Their secret missions are all there and designed to assist in people who are in the world to kill the enemies of the United States.
05:06:58.140
I don't mean to interrupt, but if everyone in this table did jiu-jitsu, you wouldn't question...
05:07:07.260
Let me just say, you would not question how physical guys are versus ladies.
05:07:18.140
Well, you're putting the strength of males in the strength of ladies in the world.
05:07:29.700
Here, let me have a little bit of a back and forth with her on this.
05:07:32.660
All right, I just had one question before you turn it over, Brian.
05:07:42.740
If we had no gun of any kind and it was just the militaries both knew jiu-jitsu,
05:07:49.240
would you allocate your resources towards male jiu-jitsu fighters or female jiu-jitsu fighters?
05:08:00.380
Well, that was my whole point, that there's no competition.
05:08:06.240
There's a reason why females fight females and guys fight guys.
05:08:12.420
What's the point of women learning jiu-jitsu, though,
05:08:14.420
if a man can still beat them up with no experience?
05:08:20.680
It's about learning self-defense and learning how to be humbled.
05:08:23.900
But it's useless if a man is stronger than you.
05:08:27.380
It's absolutely not, because the idea is that hopefully whoever is stupid enough to attack me,
05:08:35.660
But you just acknowledged that the men would win.
05:08:44.540
Is it like artist lady from the whole panel right there?
05:08:48.680
From a dating perspective, I want to ask you, because you do jiu-jitsu, right?
05:08:53.260
But I would have some hesitations dating a woman who did jiu-jitsu.
05:08:59.900
Because invariably, she's going to be in these mixed gender classes,
05:09:08.340
And I know, you know, look, it's probably innocent.
05:09:15.800
And I don't know if the chat feels the same way.
05:09:17.740
I would feel a bit uncomfortable with my girlfriend or wife being that physical with men.
05:09:36.780
Like, I would not feel comfortable with my girl going to jiu-jitsu and, like, rolling with dudes.
05:09:42.980
The way I see it is there's a no-homo rule where I'm doing it to gain some skills.
05:09:51.440
And honestly, if someone were to attack me, they would be on top of me either way.
05:09:58.920
But the point of training is so that you prepare for real-life scenarios.
05:10:02.780
So you would need to spar with men, which brings it back to its point.
05:10:10.220
But then again, there's no point to learning jiu-jitsu.
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Are you asking me if the guys that I go against use their full strength against me?
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I don't care about the self-defense component of it.
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My question is, why aren't you doing jiu-jitsu with your girlfriend or wife?
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I just feel like it's maybe, maybe, there's some degree of impropriety of your girlfriend or wife wrestling and rolling around with other men.
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But if you were there with her, you would know.
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Well, that's just your imagination, getting the best of you.
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I think she's saying make it a couple's activity.
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I don't care about the self-defense component of it.
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There's a degree of impropriety if you're dating a girl or married to a girl.
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And she's, like, rolling around grappling with men.
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And I say this as somebody who wrestled in high school.
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I don't have this, like, unfamiliarity with grappling.
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Just something about it makes me feel a little bit uncomfortable.
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If I was dating somebody who was involved in grappling.
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Bro, that's another reason why you shouldn't get married, boys.
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Because even if you're fucking Tom Brady, you're still gonna get cheated on.
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Um, so, uh, I don't know why the chat's coming for me on this one.
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So, your whole thing is you object to the draft?
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I don't think it should be equal, and I think...
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I don't think it should be equal for the same reason you do...
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Because you always affiliate the draft with women being privileged.
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I don't think women in society are privileged, so...
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Wait, let me just have a little back and forth here.
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Okay, so, do you think men have more rights than women?
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but there's still, like, um, lingering patriarchal connotations
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it's, like, a society that, that kind of oppressed women
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and, like, promoted, like, like, was in favorance of men.
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A patriarchy is a society that, like, oppressed women
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Which, what percentage of men do you think were in charge?
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So, if I told you that less than 1% of men were ever in...
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But I also think there's still not enough women representation.
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So, under this patriarchy, under this supposed patriarchy,
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I think we're exiting oppression, but I think, like I said,
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like, it's just, like, I'm trying to think of how to phrase this badly.
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It's, like, I don't feel women in society this day and age
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are still oppressed, but I feel like it was so recent
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that it lingers, and we, as women, still need to, like,
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We are still not entirely equal in certain sex.
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We now have the ability to be, but it's going to take time to get there.
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For instance, we only represent, like, a small percentage,
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and much less in the other sects of leadership.
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Well, let me ask you a question related to that.
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So, if male politicians pander to women voters anyways,
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Like, since we're voting for them, you're saying?
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So, male politicians typically aren't pandering to, for, like...
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It's very rare that you've ever heard a politician
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ever appeal for anything that relates to men's rights
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and a lot of those big businesses are run by men,
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That's a bunch of word salad that you just threw out there.
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So, okay, so are women oppressed under this patriarchy?
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We didn't have the right to a mortgage till recently.
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of being subject to forced military conscription.
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No, it's like this weird victim-blaming thing of, like,
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For example, men are much more likely to be incarcerated.
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Men are much more likely to get a higher education.
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Would you make that same argument when it comes to race?
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Would you make that same argument when it comes to race?
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You're saying men are more violent, therefore...
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No, men are, like, literally diagnosed more often
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You realize criminality is a very, very small percentage of men.
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Like, the way you argue is so fucking weird and annoying.
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I listed a couple ways in which men are disadvantaged.
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And I think that that should be something that,