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00:47:11.840Oh, wow. Okay, pretty reasonable takes there. Well, I don't know how much disagreement there will be then on this particular thing.
00:47:20.020But in any case, do you sort of seeding it into dating-related conversation, do you think that this is a fair deal-breaker in a relationship?
00:47:32.240Say for, by the way, a woman could take the position that, of course, she's guilty, and the boyfriend could be the conspirator, could be the one who's like, no, the XYZ details, and she's innocent, and blah, blah, blah.
00:47:44.620So a woman could also feel as if, well, what's going on here with my boyfriend or my husband?
00:47:52.400So the question is, do you think it's fair for either woman or man to break up with their partner, say,
00:47:58.740over disagreements over the Lindsay Clancy case,
00:48:01.340specifically if the boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife is a Lindsay Clancy supporter?
00:48:09.100I mean, no, you didn't kill our kids, so why are we ending our relationship?
00:48:14.620over someone else so wouldn't be a deal breaker for you no okay thoughts everyone can weigh in
00:48:21.380on this one i suppose no i don't think so not a deal breaker i don't think yeah okay so i guess
00:48:28.020what you going back to you two then what would you say to men who would break up with their
00:48:34.660girlfriend over this i certainly would i would break up with my girlfriend instantly um i feel
00:48:40.240instant i feel like he doesn't love me well maybe there was love but you can't love some
00:48:45.900measures buddy all right what are your thoughts um i think that it's a little ludicrous if you
00:48:54.480guys are breaking up over um a disagreement like that you shouldn't let others affect a
00:49:01.600relationship but i do believe that you recently our company softball team lost the big game by
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00:49:33.640share the same values because that is crazy you know we can't just uh keep pretending like it's
00:49:40.520not okay so a bit too much to to the to do a breakup your thoughts i agree with what she said
00:49:46.040it's just very irrelevant too irrelevant okay interesting we'll come back to that honestly yes
00:49:51.380just because why aren't you agreeing with me if you're my man and then wait what yeah the man has
00:49:57.200to agree with you no not like for everything just like like she said i it's important to share the
00:50:01.960same beliefs for me personally okay like i personally would break up with him because
00:50:06.640i wouldn't want to have children with him if he thinks that's okay wait okay i see what about you
00:50:11.680so if a man was going to leave the woman because she supported lindsey clancy i don't think that's
00:50:18.400like crazy or anything because that means she understands and supports what that woman did
00:50:23.860and if you can even like i've seen the videos where they're like me too lindsey clancy and
00:50:28.580while holding their kid and i'm like yeah your husband should run far and take those kids with
00:50:35.560the kids yeah i think it's wild yeah next yeah i mean like especially since like um it's his
00:50:42.660lineage that like he's kind of like saying oh yeah i agree with this case i think that's kind
00:50:48.560of like a strange thing to like support um especially because lindsey clansky is like a
00:50:54.900case where they're killing the woman is killing the children so yeah okay next I think it's fair
00:51:02.720to break up because there's a mismatch in fundamental values when it comes to justice0.90
00:51:07.880to motherhood and you know mental health issues sure what about you I think it's fair to break0.96
00:51:15.200up I don't want to damn man like that okay all right there we go um and then you said is repeat
00:51:22.860what you said it was uh irrelevant or i'm trying to recall the yeah irrelevant irrelevant doesn't0.98
00:51:27.440matter but my dear you just ended a marriage you called off a marriage over gambling which
00:51:34.140in my perspective because it would have affected our life as a married couple well if man is
00:51:40.360dating a woman who buys in who who takes on the mind virus of uh this postpartum psychosis0.98
00:51:50.060basically gives erases accountability and agency from a woman who murders her her three children
00:51:56.340uh and we should be supportive of of this woman uh kind of makes me a little hesitant to like
00:52:03.760have kids with her so it would have an effect yeah i understand it's probably a different
00:52:10.600it's probably different when you want kids i don't want kids so it wouldn't matter to me
00:52:15.560I mean, you're 20, so sometimes that changes.
00:56:39.360Because you don't know anything on one, and you may know things on the other.
00:56:41.940Well, we know some details about Epstein, but, I mean, I can try to, like, reduce this as simply as possible.
00:56:48.600Do you think, like, just punching somebody is not as bad as murdering them?
00:56:54.320answer the question no if you punch somebody it's not as bad it's not as bad so we can assess we
00:57:02.400can ascertain levels of harm we can ascertain levels of assault to punching someone you
00:57:08.280comparing assault to a punch versus a murder no that's not what i'm doing what i'm attempting to
00:57:13.440do is logically ascertain if you can make differentiations between harm i'm not suggesting
00:57:19.860that like uh human trafficking and sa is comparable to that i'm just testing if you can ascertain
00:57:27.480levels yeah so similarly i would argue that murder is worse than like if we take one murder
00:57:35.160like for example if if jeffrey epstein murdered one of those women as compared to like traffic to
00:57:40.420them i would technically argue while both are egregiously harmful crimes murder is more severe
00:57:47.440They're both severe. Murder is more severe of a crime.
00:57:51.320I agree with that. Murder is more severe of a crime.
00:57:53.920I just don't think we know if he murdered anyone or not.
00:57:57.140So you can't just sit here and generalize that Epstein and his abuse towards everyone versus this woman who killed her children, which is not okay on either spectrums.
00:58:07.320But I don't think they're even compatible.
00:58:08.880Now, if you would have said Shanann Watts, whose family was completely murdered by the husband versus this woman, but he got almost away with that, then that would be a comparison of a crime.
00:58:20.880Well, I don't understand the logic here because you're saying, well, we don't know the scope.
00:58:25.200By the way, Jeffrey Epstein's case has been heavily investigated.
00:58:37.740Well, then hold on, but I can just as simply sort of apply this unfairly as you have here to Lindsay Clancy.
00:58:45.080We don't know if Lindsay Clancy wasn't a rampant human trafficker to the same degree that Jeffrey Epstein was.
00:58:54.400So going off what we do know, though, what we do know about Jeffrey Epstein, what we do know about Lindsay Clancy, we can draw some degree of comparison.
00:59:04.100So you're saying, well, we don't know if this guy murked people.
01:11:09.640sorry everyone's a sinner everyone's a sinner yeah nobody's truly a good person well hold on
01:11:16.520i completely disagree with that many ways to judge somebody's a good person i'm a good person0.66
01:11:21.120i completely disagree with that we're gonna get into religion now wait so but couldn't this what
01:11:25.660you said couldn't this just be an allowance for someone to just do anything say anything behave
01:11:31.220in any way oh we always want to try to be good people but there's so many ways to like judge
01:11:36.520whether or not somebody is a good person and this is a really good one but yeah i feel genuinely
01:11:41.160this is a desensitization overall like we are all very desensitized from just over time yeah i think
01:11:48.760especially with this situation and specifically i feel like with you if you did have a real you know
01:11:54.420life to this person like connection to this person he was right here right right next do i
01:11:59.480did i agree with the man no that's do i think he should have been publicly no that's not okay and
01:12:04.780I don't think it should be mocked about because that's not okay. But I also feel like that's just
01:12:09.980part of this desensitization over the years. Yeah. Well, you, you, uh, Kiana, right? Yes.
01:12:16.520You make a very good point. And, and I think it's fine for you to disagree with him. Yeah,
01:12:21.660but I don't. And I think, I think it's fine to disagree with people. What I don't like to see
01:12:27.460is, and by the way, this doesn't just apply to people who I, I agree with. Uh, I would also,
01:12:33.100So if somebody, say, like a Democratic candidate, say if Obama or Biden or Kamala or whoever is going to be the candidate in 2028, if there's an attempt on them or if they were to be assassinated, this would not be something that even though I have disagreements, perhaps strong disagreements with them politically, I would never be like, this is a good thing.
01:12:59.820this is yes good celebration um and so yeah i just it's okay to disagree with people but when
01:13:07.600it comes to this uh this mocking the celebration but people take offensive terms differently
01:13:13.420so that's on them for what they're gonna do now i necessarily as a human being wouldn't do that
01:13:19.120but people take you know people have been mocking the dead this is the first time someone's been
01:13:23.920assassinated publicly yeah you know it's not and it's he's not the first person to be mocked on
01:13:28.760the internet for a public death especially in this country you know what maybe to this extreme
01:13:35.360for our generations yes maybe at this level but he is not the first public assassination
01:13:40.340well so he's not the first level though yes he's not the first person certainly to be assassinated
01:13:46.860and i'm sure historically uh you know going back to other assassinations there's been attempts on
01:13:53.580uh, you know, president's life. Some of them have been successful. Yes. I have no doubt that people
01:13:59.120there, there have been instances where people probably did celebrate and they're happy it
01:14:03.800happened. Uh, these people are obviously were or are evil pieces of shit, but I think with Charlie1.00
01:14:10.380Kirk, we actually see a very new phenomenon that it's, it's something we really haven't seen1.00
01:14:18.260before it's it's completely novel right the degree it's not the first person to be killed
01:14:24.320but the and by the way charlie kirk was a podcaster he he did have significant political
01:14:31.500uh what's the word not um he had significant political motion but he wasn't actually a
01:14:43.660politician he wasn't running for political office perhaps in the future he would have um but
01:14:50.300a commentator um now when trump dies whether through natural cause or through you know i'm
01:15:00.440there's people who are gunning for him uh i expect though that's going to be like when trump0.97
01:15:08.940kicks the bucket people are going to be fucking brutal and they're it's going to be what we saw0.96
01:15:14.920with charlie now keep in mind trump there's way more animus towards trump than charlie0.99
01:15:20.920but yeah it's going to be brutal with trump but even then i'm like that's in so
01:15:24.800i think you can say you disagree with the guy you can even say he did terrible things when he was
01:15:30.540alive or whatever hey um but i don't know but that's also this is entertainment too so they
01:15:36.100think this is the first time because he's not he wasn't a politician he was like you said a
01:15:41.400podcaster with political views which is a form of entertainment and you got to look at the history
01:15:47.400even in entertainment publicly die all the time people mocking all the time it would have been
01:15:52.520no different than an artist passing away and then everyone mocking their death now it was a little
01:15:56.840more extreme because of the public assassination part of that and also the social media boot after
01:16:03.420that but sometimes people say things that really offend people and sometimes people do things that
01:16:08.340really offend people and that is just what's happening they it's becoming more of an argument
01:16:12.660of who's morally right when nobody is morally right yeah well i guess i have a quick question
01:16:19.460not your argument i just meant yeah i'll let you come in in just a sec i guess my response to this
01:16:23.700would be uh so i think that and we did not see this from the conservative side the republican side
01:16:32.800When George Floyd was killed, I think that if people were mocking George Floyd on the Republican side, conservative side, which I'm going to grant there probably were some isolated incidences of people doing this, it would have been like the pushback from the other side would have been substantial.
01:16:58.080Like, much more than conservatives are pushing back against the leftist liberals who are mocking Charlie Kirk.
01:17:07.040But I would say that they would have a significant double standard.
01:17:20.720So we're so accustomed, like the desensitization I had mentioned earlier,
01:17:23.820We are so accustomed to seeing crimes and things and murder happen in our own communities that now it happened in not our own community and everyone's losing their minds.
01:17:52.820What happened to Charlie is not happening every day publicly for everyone to be scarred in a painting.
01:17:57.660Okay, even if we were to grant that the frequency between police misconduct in this country directed towards people of color, by the way, white people are also victims of police misconduct.0.83
01:18:08.840In fact, one interesting thing on the police misconduct front, there are instances of police killings, police killings of white men that are way worse than how George Floyd got done.
01:18:23.980I think that's just one example, and there's not a scale on either.
01:18:26.940Police brutality, no matter what shade or color or race you are, is wrong.
01:18:32.460I do think you can draw levels of severity here.
01:18:34.940What happened to George Floyd? There's some counter narratives surrounding that. But in any case, there's like far more clear cut instances of somebody in the chat. There's two names. If you can tell me the two names of the white men who were killed, there's one guy who was crawling in a hallway and he had they had a gun drawn on him and they fucking murked him.
01:18:58.160and then there was a similar situation if somebody in the chat tony timpa who was the one in the
01:19:03.620hallway there's tony timpa and there's another guy um in any case uh tony timpa crawl to me
01:19:13.040and then there was another guy it was outside i'm blanking on the name but in any case um
01:19:20.400i don't know when charlie kirk was assassinated conservatives republicans held peaceful vigils
01:30:29.680I mean, like, I feel like, um, people who, like, mess with children shouldn't be, like, um, promoted, um, like, or, like, documented like that.
01:30:41.640Like, it's just weird. Like, why are we commemorating that? You know what I mean? Like...
01:48:33.600Would you date a guy who used to fuck and be fucked by men?0.99
01:48:38.260I think because I usually talk about these things, about values and stuff like that before I date somebody, this is something that would come up.0.99
01:49:08.260And I think that, like, if it does come up,
01:49:24.780then, like, we would have a longer discussion about it
02:22:04.140What I see happening in society is you have all across the spectrum, you have hyper-conservations
02:22:11.280of women many of whom are feminists regardless and then you have super woke liberal pro-sex work
02:22:17.140women who are believe in equality and they're hyper hyper feminists who still want men to pay1.00
02:22:23.900for dates provide protect be chivalrous open the car door be willing to die for them and so my0.99
02:22:32.200contention is if you're a traditional woman a true blue traditional woman that's totally fine
02:22:37.100You can want those things. My contention arrives when you have modern women with modern ideals and they want to be modern women demanding men adhere to a patriarchal burden and traditional gender roles for men.
02:23:23.820They oftentimes frequently still get it.
02:23:27.400So they'll still get it. Men still do it because men do what's effective to get pussy, which is even if the woman is a feminist modern woman, they still appreciate those traditional things for like, I mean, for social construction purposes and just because there's a biological evolutionary basis for women finding that sort of conduct more attractive in men.0.97
02:23:52.040but so you did make the claim that i say sex workers like have no value no no i take that0.89
02:23:59.560back okay that's not my position to the panelists i want to make that clear my position really quick
02:24:04.300on that is all humans have equal value so i don't believe men have higher value than women
02:24:10.120i don't believe that men have more value but we have to differentiate what we talk about when
02:24:15.640we're talking about value so when we're talking about value uh when it comes to human value when
02:24:20.760it comes to moral value when it comes to dignity when it comes to innate value men and women are
02:24:26.840equal sex workers and if you're a sex worker you have the same uh moral human value as someone
02:24:34.340who's not a sex worker as a man whatever it may be but when we're talking about value from a dating
02:24:39.840lens my argument is that sex workers although they may very well find men to date and to marry
02:24:48.880i do think that the sex worker typically doing an analysis of what men want and again there's0.54
02:24:57.560still going to be plenty of men that'll date a hot sex worker that's not the it's not that0.97
02:25:02.220these sex workers are going to be forever alone and never find a guy and they're going to be have
02:25:06.78030 cats that's not what i'm saying many of the this is one of the black pills a lot of men need0.98
02:25:11.240to take attractive women regardless of how much they fucked their life up even average looking1.00
02:25:18.640women land on their feet you could have been a sex worker you could have done a bunch of things1.00
02:25:23.280there's a guy who's gonna come and accept it and clean up the mess if there is a mess and so a lot1.00
02:25:29.200of that's a black pill you got to take as a guy if you're an attractive girl you're gonna land on
02:25:34.100your feet, most likely. That aside, being a sex worker does close the door for some men. Some men0.93
02:25:42.300are going to have an issue with it. It is going to introduce complications in your relationship.
02:25:49.400Even if he doesn't necessarily, like even if he's fine with it, it can still introduce
02:25:53.920complications. You might work through those things. That's fine. But then when we're talking
02:26:01.240about value, it's not to say that they don't have value. Like for example, there are men who are
02:26:07.120more attractive than me and I'm almost finished. Um, like I'm 37 and chubby and have rosacea and,
02:26:14.780uh, and have like a controversial podcast and have dandruff. Like there are other men out there
02:26:22.680who have to, in women's eyes, who you deem as having more value, so to speak. So I would argue0.88
02:26:30.280that um trying to think of a guy i don't know who's a guy that women are into now um jacob
02:26:37.280alordi so to probably 99 of women jacob alordi has more value to 99 of women than do i but i don't
02:26:46.780i'm not going to cope about this like i just accept it or there's other there's men who are
02:26:51.160more physically attractive than me who are richer than me who are funnier than me who have a less
02:26:55.640abrasive personality than me who align better with a liberal woman's perspective than say a
02:27:02.300conservative man um so that's what i'm talking about when it comes to value uh anyways landing
02:27:09.440the plane go ahead if you want to respond no no like i agree with what you're saying most of it
02:27:15.500um what i was really the only disagreement that i have with you is the landing of certain things
02:27:21.540that you say right now that's what i'm saying like i like you better in person that i've done
02:27:27.040like on all of you've seen the clips you watch the clips yeah no and i actually sat down through
02:27:31.740a couple hours of the entire thing um but you are a lot more nice and respectful now that we sat down
02:27:39.120am i ish i don't know i said more i'm not saying that you're completely respectful and nice i'm
02:27:44.740saying that okay more i'm more okay that it's not that bad okay for another you know that it's not
02:27:50.560as bad as i was expecting but i'm rude to the sex workers is there anything else no that's it that's0.51
02:27:55.720all that's all you got yeah i hate the fact that i agree with you with a bunch of things you hate
02:27:59.960that you agree with me you know like they were talking earlier about how depending on which side
02:28:06.180of the algorithm it will show you different things and it's a crazy thing because for charlie i've
02:28:13.160before i became christian i will see a bunch of videos that i will like i'm like what is this guy
02:28:18.140talking about and ever since i like became christian i can only see him talking about
02:28:23.060beautiful things even that's how i landed on the pop this podcast actually one of the videos of him0.90
02:28:28.640being here so it's like okay good shit um well did any of the women who heard that conversation0.89
02:28:37.540or heard anything i say want to chime in on anything i want to chime in i think that like0.99
02:28:42.240you said like if you don't want to be with a sex worker that's totally up to you and that's fine
02:28:46.180like i get your value but like you said there is men that will still respect you and will do
02:28:51.920anything for you and still love you and i think that's how it should be i don't think just because
02:28:56.040somebody posts themselves on the internet naked or doing things that they deserve less love from
02:29:02.560somebody if you know what i mean well i just i would suppose that if you're in a relationship
02:29:08.560with someone fully knowing the extent of their involvement in sex work you've made an active
02:29:15.880choice to be with them why should you not love this person i suppose assuming it gets to that
02:29:22.120point but my contention here is with certain courtship procedures so it's like is it your
02:29:29.820position that a woman who's a sex worker who say has sex on camera and there's like videos of her
02:29:36.860getting banged out by dudes on like dudes besides her boyfriend online why is this woman deserving
02:29:46.000of paying like having her dates paid for being provided for protected uh being chivalrous1.00
02:29:52.860uh why i think that everybody has sex and just because somebody doesn't on camera doesn't make
02:30:00.540them any less value like i know you're not saying it does make them less valuable i don't think so
02:30:04.920because everybody has sex it's just you're doing it for money and some people do it to survive
02:30:09.360like personally i do this to survive like i got kicked out of 18 hold on wait you got kicked out
02:30:14.000of what yeah at 18 so i did this to survive so like a lot of people who get kicked out of 18
02:30:19.680many of whom don't turn to sex work no i mean do you hold on america with all its problems
02:30:27.480notwithstanding you can survive in america without resorting to sex work yeah but i chose this right
02:30:36.760but so you said it's for survival but if you can have roommates and work at a fast food joint
02:30:42.480you're surviving not everybody can i didn't have friends i wanted to be roommates all my friends
02:30:47.220are like either i mean you can people find people on craigslist and no if you had enough money to
02:30:53.060stop doing it would you um yeah yeah because i wouldn't i would have a career and everything but
02:30:59.480i just i picked this because i thought it was like the fastest way to get money and to help me like
02:31:04.480and i used to work at five night like nine to five like they did not pay me nothing even if
02:31:09.620you beg for hours like even if you work 12 hours a day like the most you're gonna make in california
02:31:13.400is like three four thousand a month and that is barely not even rent i mean it can't be right you
02:31:19.200know yeah so you two wanted to come in let's hear from you too you want to know yeah so
02:31:24.300there are multiple ways to make money and that's what she chose and if if she's dating somebody
02:31:31.760her boyfriend and if you already knew it i think he should still love her the same
02:31:36.400okay my contention is not about love if you've willingly chosen a guy my contention is0.56
02:31:43.580non-traditional woman tells man to be traditional how the fuck does that make sense so i don't think0.56
02:31:52.900she would be like telling the man to like do this do that she i think she said she was going to date0.96
02:31:58.160that person who would do that for let me ask you a question you go on the first date with a guy
02:32:01.900the check comes and he says two checks is there going to be a second date no okay rewards and
02:32:07.680incentives so if she's communicating or if men are under the impression that in order for me to
02:32:14.060continue dating her or get in a relationship with her I have to pay for the date whether she says
02:32:18.780that up front or not it creates an expectation on the man that he be traditional even though she's
02:32:24.260a sex worker and she's getting pounded out by other dudes so like why should the guy like so
02:32:29.680I don't understand your argument so that's just her job I look at that as her job you know and1.00
02:32:36.520And she's not just going out there just to do that with random people.
02:32:56.880You would say a gentleman is someone who pays for dates, provides, protects, acts chivalrous, opens the car door, observes the sidewalk rule.0.82
02:33:07.580Like many modern women who have completely forsaken any traditional roles for themselves,1.00
02:33:17.560they still, with the greatest sense of entitlement, still expect men to pay for dates and do all this thing0.94
02:33:23.080because entitlement is completely rampant now.
02:33:26.200Why, though, should a man be traditional to a nontraditional woman?
02:33:29.540Well, now, if they don't want to be traditional to her, they don't have to.
02:33:33.500she's probably not going to choose them in the beginning anyways you know but so she's holding
02:33:37.800them i understand that but she's still holding them to a traditional standard even though she's
02:33:42.840not holding herself to a traditional standard but i don't i think that like i can't i don't have to
02:33:50.040do that and they could still like i could still like you said i could still get you still get it
02:33:54.060yeah i could still get it and i think i still deserve it like but i've already acknowledged1.00
02:33:57.880and granted that a woman could be a porn star she could be a prostitute like getting dick getting1.00
02:34:04.720three dicks a day and she will still find men she can go on the dating app whether she discloses or1.00
02:34:12.020not she will still find men who will be like i'd love to take you to go get sushi and they'll pay0.98
02:34:17.720for the date and they'll do all the things they'll do all those things the contention is not will you
02:34:23.120struggle to find men willing to do this my contention is with the entire social climate
02:34:28.780where we have women who are not not traditional who expect it my my issues with the expectation0.85
02:34:37.180with the entitlement and with the dating landscape that allows for women to insist upon getting this
02:34:44.360sort of treatment even though they don't deserve it i know you've wanted to come in no you're good
02:34:48.340no you've been wanting to jump in on a few things i just wanted to say i feel that what he is saying
02:34:54.820right now is more on his hit your preference as a man and what a lot of men tend to say i have
02:35:02.480never been a sex worker so i have no say on what you have went through but i have been a survivor
02:35:07.600without sex work in any way form or fashion i drove across the country from 3 000 miles and
02:35:15.340lived in a car and worked as a studio run and worked my way up for a career. So the argument
02:35:22.140of traditional and non-traditional, I don't think you're undeserving of anything in this world
02:35:27.280because of what you chose to do. And there will be men, like he did say, that will meet that.
02:35:33.300But on the stereotype of the situation, it is very common for men to feel the way he feels
02:35:40.220because it is not a traditional way. And I mean, that's completely fine. And that's okay.
02:35:44.840And I do understand, like I said, like I'm in the middle, like sometimes, like I do understand if a guy doesn't want to be with me, I understand, that's completely fine, and I respect you just as much, but if you do want to be with me, like you said too, like for the first date thing, no, if you know I do like OnlyFans and stuff, why would you come thinking I'm going to pay for the bill when guys are paying me with their money, why?
02:36:08.560Well, you're also, I would argue, so you're 19, you're in a relationship, how old's your boyfriend?
02:43:03.380So, say I'm a 20-year-old asking out a 19-year-old sex worker, and she makes, like, $50,000 a month, and I work at In-N-Out making $25 an hour.
02:43:14.660Is it, like, kind of unreasonable for there to be an expectation that I pay for the date?
02:47:30.100Like, you can at least acknowledge, like, some men, you know it's going to be a problem, it's going to be a deal breaker, and it's going to close the door.
02:47:39.680Right. And so, again, when we're talking about value, and it ruins a woman's value, and this would also somewhat depend on the scope of sex work that the woman's doing. So if you're doing solo content, that's different than a woman who's doing hardcore porn. If you're just doing lingerie, that's different than sticking dildos in your pussy.1.00
02:48:01.800if you're you know there's levels to it that i can i can understand um overarchingly though i1.00
02:48:10.020would say as a general principle it's going to lower a woman's dating value if she's a sex worker0.96
02:48:17.080again not you can still get dates guys still want to fuck you and date you and if you're a good1.00
02:48:21.680looking girl guys are gonna look past it yeah definitely but it lowers your value overall in0.92
02:48:28.800a general sense like dating terms yes dating terms yeah but i don't think it just completely
02:48:36.020like as a woman like i don't know like i don't think like some guys will see a woman and i think
02:48:41.040like oh she's porn or only fans like and they just are so disgusted and like generally hate them like
02:48:44.820that like no i don't agree with that i have something to say okay and this is no disrespect
02:48:52.980to you but just in general like for instance if someone were to look up your name what would be
02:48:58.720the first thing that pops up someone who's dating you may not want to be affiliated or
02:49:03.480have anything to do with that but at the end of the day I just think um there are other ways to
02:49:12.620survive and make money and maybe like sex work is the easy way out you know you just have to have
02:49:19.060like the drive the motive um the resources you know um I mean I feel like we've all been there
02:49:27.440we've all struggled but there are other like resources besides okay but the conversation
02:49:35.220that's a little different than the conversation as it relates like from a dating lens i'm not
02:49:41.180really interested in like going into the merits of like a broader criticism of sex work um
02:49:49.340but um it comes down to dating do and and you also said business is business everyone deserves
02:49:56.300equal respect yes completely equal respect just because somebody has a different business come
02:50:01.460to me versus me that doesn't make them better than me and i don't care what anybody says that
02:50:05.660doesn't make you better than me just because you do nails or lashes i'm sorry it doesn't well i
02:50:11.060never said that i never said that you said that no she said it in her notes she said it's not
02:50:16.200directed towards you but um i mean so okay i think you're conflating human dignity and respect
02:50:23.140so we can say that like there's a baseline level of basic dignity that we should afford to everyone
02:50:30.740whether they're like an they're they're an addict an ex-addict a sex worker ex-sex worker um whatever
02:50:37.100it may be but i'm not sure if everyone deserves the same degree of admiration trust uh social
02:50:45.920social status or romantic consideration and i think they do just it depends like like you said
02:50:52.000So sex workers should be admired at the same level as firefighters?
04:08:52.420It's not about how much money it needs.
04:08:55.560Yeah, it's not about how much money it needs.
04:08:57.020So do you think my position is unreasonable here?0.85
04:09:00.000Sort of making a criticism of women who want a top 1, top 2, top 3% earner?
04:09:07.920is that an unreasonable position for me to have wait what was the question a one percent earner
04:09:15.340i'm engaging i'm literally engaging with what you just said so okay you're like well what is it
04:09:20.320my argument here is that i think that average women don't want average men there's not enough0.98
04:09:29.520rich good-looking big dick per funny humorous person all this shit to go around what makes1.00
04:09:35.020her average though her yes what makes her average she's a very high quality woman she's a woman1.00
04:09:41.740you don't know this woman she wants to have children you don't how can you how can you
04:09:48.760you're just assuming but he doesn't know any of us either from what the demographics that i've
04:09:54.360heard about her okay but i'm also going off looks and uh looks is important looks is important when1.00
04:10:00.720comes she's an average looking girl i assume she's got an average personality i assume she1.00
04:10:05.280most of y'all are just average women that like that's that's it i think does that hurt your
04:10:13.400does that does that hurt your sensitive delet uh i don't know i mean i'm not gonna take an
04:10:18.920average opinion from an average person so let's take things depending on who they came from this
04:10:23.680is entertainment well according to you according to the golem over here uh i'm less than average
04:10:28.800well hey you're the one who's wait what's golem you're the stop stop you're the one who's you're
04:10:35.260the one who's slinging insults so i'm not going to again have you pearl clutch when you're the0.74
04:10:39.700one who's slinging insults you're not going to be like oh how dare you're oh how dare you say
04:10:45.080something negative to me back so in any case you you felt like you need to chime in oh he's less
04:10:51.180than average i'm a multi i'm six foot one blue eyes and i'm a multi-million hair single so how
04:10:57.500would that be relevant in any case maybe my looks are average however other characteristics are
04:11:03.820certainly above average so in any case though bro oh my god it's actually insane so you think1.00
04:11:11.860she's you think what she's a very high value woman from what i've heard tonight yes heard of
04:11:17.040high value i think the thing is that like um some the sisterhood the sister some men actually uh
04:11:24.860value intelligence, you know? Um, and like, Oh my God, it's, it's just a job. How's that
04:11:31.900working out for you? It's just, you couldn't even answer a hypothetical. It's just a generalized
04:11:36.240thing. Okay. Like I'm not saying like someone is like Smith 7,778 donated $100. Wow. I am super
04:11:48.260pretty require two hundred thousand dollars they need to be taller than me i have had a man like
04:11:54.120that why are you not married to that man you keep losing with the winning numbers wait who said that
04:12:01.180me okay like that moment not wanting to be with someone it's fair to like just because someone
04:12:08.240like has certain qualities to themselves doesn't mean that you want to like a marriage like the
04:12:14.660most important thing for me is that I want to have kids that's why I care about the money if I didn't
04:12:19.180want to have kids I will probably not care about the money because I want to be a stay-at-home mom
04:12:23.060I want to be with my kids and that's fair however it doesn't matter how rich you are if you don't
04:12:28.280have emotional intelligence if you don't you are not kind you are not Christ-centered it cannot be
04:12:34.480possible for me to have a relationship with you and it's not about looks and it's not about money
04:12:38.260Like, I will be willing to compromise on anything but my relationship and his relationship with Christ.
04:12:45.400Other than that, like, everything's for me.
04:12:48.020When you answer the question, what is the minimum yearly income to be your future husband, and you say 200K, minimum, like, it's very hard for me to have conversations with people who don't understand what words mean.
04:18:22.020So anyways, I don't think it's unreasonable for me to look at a woman here who I think has an average personality and who, at least from how I've just met them, and then based off of her looks, also be like, hey, listen, only like 2% of men make that much money.0.63
04:19:41.060And a large, a large percentage of them.
04:19:45.620Anyways, there's not enough of them to go around, which means you got to reassess your standards to be more in line with your value proposition.
04:19:55.420So if you're say like an average, like that would have been nicer.0.99
04:19:58.480You coming out calling bitches Gollum and all this crazy shit.0.99
04:20:01.240Well, it's interesting how nobody wants to address that.1.00
04:20:03.740She actually came for me first and she insulted me first.
04:20:06.660you you said you you came up uh in an effort to very non-traditional man of you
04:20:15.440how is it non-traditional man i'm having a conversation on my podcast so you're like well
04:20:20.600you're below average as as an effort to dig into me so you were insulting me and i insulted you
04:20:26.420back that's a fair trade 50 50 type beat all right yeah you started you said that everybody's
04:26:04.580I'm going to turn them down and I'm going to hold out for a 10 out of 10, 22-year-old Victoria's Secret model who's got a fucking banger body and she's getting hit up by NFL players and rappers and professional athletes and musicians and like billionaires and like men who are much more wealthy than I am.1.00
04:26:22.100and she's going to pass them up to deal with me.0.77
04:26:25.740The reality is I'm not going to sit here and be like,
04:26:28.760yeah, I'm going to hold out for a virgin 10 out of 10 looks supermodel.
04:32:51.780I'm not average, so I'm not worried about it.
04:32:54.980Now that I've explained my position, you're walking back on your positions because your positions, frankly, are untenable.
04:33:01.300When I've broken it down as I've just broken it down, it starts becoming abundantly clear that, yes, indeed, perhaps you have to self-reflect a bit.
05:34:09.680Okay. Well, all right, there's nothing more on that then.
05:34:13.560we have uh nina a woman should not be rejected because of her weight why is that what did i put
05:34:24.280on there you agree with the statement oh oh i didn't maybe you didn't mean to if so i think um
05:34:32.600um into the mic please okay sorry i don't think i read it correctly um what was the statement one
05:34:46.100more time a woman should not be rejected because of her weight it's okay if you want to revise
05:34:51.860and you're like no that's fine well that's something that can be controlled but all men
05:34:58.440have different preferences and in certain countries the bigger the woman the more you know
05:35:05.760grace she is or more did you say racist no great oh great maybe that's not the right word um the
05:35:16.580more gravy she's no like in some countries look wait wait hold on really quick there's chubby1.00
05:35:23.420chasers there's men who will date and fuck and marry and whatever like overweight women chubby1.00
05:35:28.240women obese women that's not in dispute the question is is it do you think it would be wrong0.99
05:35:34.340for a man any given man to reject a woman because of her weight no i wouldn't because i would
05:35:41.880probably do the same like okay then perhaps you just mistakenly circled that we have our next
05:35:49.200prompt to which you also agree wrong for a man to dump his girlfriend if she regularly turns
05:35:58.060him down for sex to which you agree uh ella you agree let's see if there's anyone else
05:36:05.820uh eliana you agree that's it so boom boom eliana why don't we start with eliana go ahead0.72
05:36:15.600i didn't circle it because mike oh sorry um i circled because i wanted to talk about it um so
05:36:23.780if you guys are like not like there's so many reasons why you should couldn't should break up
05:36:32.460with someone but if you guys are not in the same wavelength when it comes to sex either find
05:36:38.620therapy or break up so wait so you're not a disagreeer though say that again so the directions
05:36:46.940if you agree with the statement circle the number so you think it's okay to break up with someone
05:36:52.000if they regularly turn you down for sex yes okay um ella why is that um because like a woman can0.99
05:37:01.180like have like health problems or something that causes her to not be able to have sex or not want
05:37:07.560to have sex so if you leave your girlfriend over that it's kind of crazy okay but in the hype in1.00
05:37:15.000the statement it doesn't grant that like in parentheses by the way she lost her pussy in a0.99
05:37:21.300train accident so it could be the case that the woman is having health problems or she's ill or0.99
05:37:27.960she has cancer she's going through chemotherapy all these things could be true but also it could
05:37:32.840be true that there's really nothing wrong at all she just has lower libido or it could be she has1.00
05:37:39.780lower libido she's withholding sex as fucking she wants him to do more chores or some bullshit like1.00
05:37:45.060that then it would depend because yeah like using it as a manipulation tactic is not okay in a1.00
05:37:51.980relationship but if she just simply is a less sexual person than he is i feel like it's it's
05:37:58.820not right to leave someone over that so yes let's assume that there's not really anything
05:38:03.660like wrong with her she's not sick she's not ill but she does indeed say and this is oftentimes
05:38:10.700the case in many relationships it's very fiery at the beginning sex all the time things start
05:38:17.860to slow down a little bit not all the time sometimes they um run their course hey Tiffany
05:38:24.740just stay there because it's going to start beeping just like get it once it beeps um0.99
05:38:29.920say a situation where yes her libido is a bit lower and like she's regularly turning0.74
05:38:39.120down her boyfriend for sex would it be wrong for him assuming like he's sexually dissatisfied
05:38:47.760and he's talked to her about it and he's like expressed how he feels
05:38:53.880would it be wrong for him to dump his girlfriend
05:38:58.540i i feel like it's a really shallow thing to end a relationship over but i guess sex doesn't matter
05:39:10.080that much yeah you're right that's what he needs it's what i guess if he needs to leave her over
05:39:14.740that then i guess he does yep women can do no wrong so okay it's shallow but it's not wrong
05:39:21.760but is it like compared to your you called off your uh engagement you had a wedding planned
05:39:27.340And I'm not saying what he was doing was right or what you did was wrong, but you left him over, you know, he was not being particularly straightforward about his gambling.
05:39:40.600But, like, do you think someone who's – so you're dissatisfied with his honesty.
05:39:44.920Do you think someone who is dissatisfied with the state of the sex life in a relationship is like really any all that much different than you leaving a guy over that?
05:40:00.140Do you think it's shallow to call off a wedding for lying?
05:40:04.220Well, I'm not making a claim as to it being shallow.
05:40:06.960I'm just saying that there's all kinds of things that you can find objectionable when dating somebody.
05:40:13.380it could be lack of loyalty, it could be lack of honesty, it could be maybe they're perfectly
05:40:18.940loyal and honest, but they mistreat you in some way. I believe when women insist upon commitment1.00
05:40:27.080and exclusivity and monogamy with men whose biological nature is to spread our seed to as1.00
06:12:42.560So you're saying in a situation where it's abundantly clear that the guy is wrong, he still insists that you acquiesce to him and that actually, no, you're the wrong one, even though you're the right one.
06:17:27.220You guys know how earlier they were saying, like, being, like, only fans or a sex worker
06:17:34.400would make you not traditional so what do you guys think is like a job for men to have that
06:17:41.920makes them not traditional automatically same probably same like a yeah a sex worker probably
06:17:48.740yeah or like i don't know that's a good question yeah i don't know i feel like it's always different
06:17:56.680for men versus women there's always gonna be a double standard so you can't really compare the
06:18:00.620too i think maybe like something you wouldn't consider as like financially stable like because
06:18:07.340like sometimes like most of the time like women look at like a man and then like if they see like
06:18:12.940tradition like i want something traditional they kind of look at them to kind of like like a real
06:18:18.460career yeah exactly yeah yeah and that kind of goes back to like when um i was like i want a guy
06:18:24.800to make 100k i don't say that like in a mean way it's just that like in this economy if i want to
06:18:29.760be a traditional woman if he wants to take care of me in california it yeah it is expensive exactly
06:18:34.040if i want to be a traditional that's not even a high number that you're no it is especially not
06:18:38.240here at all yeah and i don't want a guy that makes less than me like i'm not trying to like
06:18:42.680sound like that but i've been with guys that make less than me and i feel like they just like
06:18:46.740automatically resent you yeah i've taken care of would you give up your job would you give up
06:18:52.500only fans if your man could take care of you um no because the thing is with actually i don't
06:19:01.100know that's a hard question like i can't if he could support they resent oh go ahead
06:19:06.020no i don't know you wouldn't give up only fans if you like
06:19:11.220hate everything yeah i'm just scared of like it would have to be married because like the thing
06:19:18.840is like i am like like you said like i do want a traditional marriage but like like you said like
06:19:22.780your man can leave you homeless whenever just saying i didn't say that no i know i said women1.00
06:19:27.880do that shit well your man could do that to you too they can be like hey get out the door that's0.99
06:19:32.860true and they're paying for everything you know you said that men resent you because that you've1.00
06:19:40.800dated who make less money than you yes like i've had guys ask me for money every day for food and
06:19:45.960stuff like i feel like some guys would just generally like talk to me just just talk to me
06:19:52.420just because they know like i make like obviously i make more than the average 19 year old then
06:19:57.460that's gonna be working like a nine to five like not trying to say that but obviously it doesn't1.00
06:20:02.380a woman making more money than me doesn't intimidate me i don't think it actually0.99
06:20:06.900intimidates most men like women who are more successful i don't think intimidates men
06:20:10.460it's just sometimes the career or the orientation towards external financial reward and making a
06:20:19.740bunch of money orients women towards prioritizing career over family kids and taking care of the1.00
06:20:27.500husband um but purely from a financial perspective if she's a fucking millionaire1.00
06:20:34.260there great sweet give me your money no yeah i'll spend it but i feel like they're like just with me0.98
06:20:42.620personally why would i resent a woman well i've just had guys like i don't know like they just
06:20:47.520have like resented me for it or like i only asked me like use me for my money you know
06:20:51.820if a woman gave me a daily tribute like she did like every day hey brian here's 300 bucks0.95
06:20:57.220you only gave me 250 by the way what the fuck i'd be like i'd be like wow0.97
06:21:03.100this woman really cares about me yeah she's great i would never cheat on her sorry i mean0.97
06:21:11.680that's what you would think it is oh and that's what i thought too but no those men were at least
06:21:17.000for me like like people like my exes and stuff or like exes like i've always had like talk talking
06:21:23.040and stuff like i've realized that people would just be like oh like if i'm your boyfriend like
06:21:28.040do i get a cut because that's my body too and stuff like that and it's like you're coming
06:21:32.060no that's so valid though really so valid don't you do content with your boyfriend so he's like
06:21:38.020participating right yeah you give him a cut no but i buy him things so like so he's just i would
06:21:44.520say like like i said to the thing like um the 50 50 it's more like not 50 like not 50 50 like
06:21:52.360obviously he spoils me more but i still spoil him and like do things for him you know like when
06:21:58.500like i want to it's not like he's like hey get me this he's not like that at all actually um if i
06:22:04.020see like he likes something like i love him so much to the point i'm like oh my god i'm gonna
06:22:07.020get this for him like you know it's more like that it's wait but so he shoots does he help you
06:22:12.820shoot stuff and edit it or no he just kind of like he's just he's just in it i do all the other
06:22:17.520work you do everything else yeah yeah he needs honestly though like the stronger argument is
06:22:24.200like you're a guy completely uninvolved still should cut him in still should cut him in but0.73
06:22:32.200you're saying he's in the videos he needs some royalties or some shit i mean yeah do you do bg0.83
06:22:38.420content no or have you done it in the past in the past boy girl boy girl content get with the times
06:22:49.620I mean, I would give him a cut, but, like, also another thing is with, like, OnlyFans and stuff, like, you can't really, like, give guys your OnlyFans money, like.
08:15:07.880So the thing about those type of things is if it has control over you, you shall not do it.
08:15:13.060So if it's whatever type of addiction that controls you, whether that's gambling or drinking or smoking or watching TV or porn, you shall stop it.
08:15:22.000Because it takes over you and only the Lord should be taken over you.
08:19:44.420That's not an immoral request from your husband.0.98
08:19:46.980Like, for example, say you're in a Christian marriage and you believe in, like, submission or whatever, and your husband says you're going to go prostitute.
08:19:54.080the woman can rightfully defy the husband uh he says go jump off a bridge you can rightfully as
08:20:00.640a christian woman even though you're supposed to submit you can defy your husband because it's not
08:20:04.560a moral uh instruction or whatever if your husband's like you know what changed my mind
08:20:09.540we should have kids would you submit to him i would adopt kids no he wants to have biological0.51
08:20:16.300children with you no that's selfish he you're selfish no it's selfish that if you oh no if
08:20:23.400You're like, oh, I need to have my own biological kids instead of adopting.
08:25:28.260like i don't think anyone grows up like that's my blood that's my that's my g that's my blood
08:25:33.940look if i if i were to ever adopt i would do the best i can to be a father to that adopted child
08:25:39.440however i'm just being honest and i also have concerns would this child not have the same
08:25:45.800level of bonding towards me it would not but don't you think so wouldn't i want to maximize
08:25:52.380like you know like for your own reasons you want this kid to be for the well so you can for the
08:25:59.360sake of the child i just think that everybody has like different perspectives on this obviously but
08:26:05.300like the thing is that like i think selfish is like a um like a not the right word but rather
08:26:13.120like um like i think it's a really good thing that you would want to adopt you know instead of having
08:26:19.860your own kid because like maybe that's just how you see yourself as a parent um but like there
08:26:26.380are other people who actually want kids and like you know continue continue their lineage in that
08:26:32.860way you know so i think like keep that up tiffany that's kind of like um their way of like parenthood
08:26:40.880that was beautiful uh dache said psalm 127 3 children are a heritage from the lord offspring
08:26:47.700a reward from him is it selfish selfish i think in comparison to adopting it is but in its own
08:27:00.500thing it's not as its own standing alone it's not but in comparison i would say that it is
08:27:07.380i have a question what's up it's so crazy i don't mean this in no disrespect but you earlier said
08:27:11.940you're against abortion but so you would have the kid but you don't want your own kid i would i mean
08:27:18.500if i were to get pregnant i would have the kid and keep my kid yeah but i wouldn't i would you
08:27:25.140take that as a gift from the lord or a punishment no she would feel she's being selfish by not
08:27:32.740aborting her child i would not it would not be selfish most of the time i'm just confused when
08:27:39.620you get pregnant anyways so i don't see how like not everybody plans their pregnancies and i didn't
08:27:45.780say anything about that situation the situation is not selfish at all whatsoever okay let's let's
08:27:51.820finish up on feminism then we're gonna wrap blast through the rest of the notes here um okay so1.00
08:27:57.800finishing up on the definition of feminism i believe that feminism is the my true blue0.90
08:28:04.900definition of it is women's advocacy coupled with plus anti-male sentiment
08:28:13.060i think it has turned into that so i'll explain it a little bit so first off um i like to see the1.00
08:28:22.900actual fruits of feminism uh feminists have like a advert very adversarial position towards men1.00
08:28:31.080individually and towards men as a group. And this is very much based in their patriarchy theory,1.00
08:28:39.180which is just that, a theory. I personally find it a bit ridiculous. I don't think that men do0.92
08:28:45.720things for the sake of men. And men built society for men, for men to benefit. Would you agree with
08:28:52.700this. Do men oppress women? Some do. Okay, some do. Do you believe that collectively men have
08:29:03.760some inherited original sin? Men have inherited this collective guilt? For what? For oppressing
08:29:13.380women collectively. So the feminist argument is that collectively men have and do oppress women.
08:29:21.860so men are the oppressor class men are it's basically marxism men except uh instead of
08:29:28.860like social class it's just gender or sex men are the oppressor class women are the oppressed class
08:29:35.000do you agree with that yeah right so basically what is that doing so you have feminists like you1.00
08:29:41.760who think men are the oppressor is it okay for women to like revolt and like kill the oppressor1.00
08:29:47.640if they could no should the prep wait so so women should remain shackled by their own oppression0.99
08:29:54.700or should women uh do a revolution against the evil men like i'm not if it involves killing
08:30:04.140people no well how else do you end your own oppression i don't know i mean sweden has a0.59
08:30:10.120female government so i mean hopefully well you would argue sweden just turned someday well yeah0.99
08:30:16.460But even if a woman is like prime minister, like leader of a country, you would still argue that the structure of society is patriarchal.0.99
08:30:26.040Yeah, because the whole world, the whole world is patriarchal.
08:30:29.180So men in total are the oppressor class.0.98
08:59:43.400But, like, sitting here crying about it when it's, like, probably not going to happen to you or happen at all, again, at least, is kind of crazy.0.99
09:26:38.600that was you know i created that when i wasn't like in college but are you do you consider0.95
09:26:44.960yourself an alpha female like sinna over there's an alpha female why don't worry about it i feel
09:26:52.440like um our personalities change like as we get older like i feel like right now um i don't know
09:27:02.000i'm i'm more like submissive than i used to be when i was in college or like grad school like
09:27:08.220i was not before you know so um and i was you think it's like the weed that calmed you down
09:27:18.420a little bit no um i i was engaged before um and also like it's just kind of like um when
09:27:26.480when i was in my earlier 20s like it's i wasn't sure if i wanted to get married to that person
09:27:34.820and um so I just thought um like and and my best friend was actually a stripper at the time
09:27:45.660but also like I had the choice of um going to graduate school so like it was just kind of like
09:27:52.700a split between two routes um so true and like I that's the reason why like I understand like
09:28:01.420both perspectives of like absolutely um like i understand it and i respect it but at the same
09:28:09.040time it's it just wasn't like i understood that if i hung out with um that friend for a longer
09:28:16.500period of time like um that could be the road that i would be going down because she was like
09:28:23.40010 years older than me so yeah i'm sorry i wasn't really following like i heard what you said
09:28:35.840but i'm just not sure i fully you know have you ever do you ever yell no i can't imagine you being
09:28:47.660bad like i feel like she'd actually be good to date in the sense that
09:28:51.800i don't know if she can be can you are you do get angry1.00
09:28:56.820some korean girls be yes they'll fucking cut your shit off they'll cut your dick off1.00
09:29:02.420while you sleep you ever cut you ever cut a cock off what what the what i didn't say anything what1.00
09:29:10.860are you talking about look i don't know sometimes like you can't even i i could try to argue with0.99
09:29:15.880her and she just wouldn't you wouldn't even do it you'd just be like well sometimes
09:29:22.800you know it depends on how you're feeling that day and everybody has their own perspective
09:29:31.520and i love smoking marijuana i think she's sweet no she's seen she's nice she's a nice gal you know
09:29:41.420But like as a guy, I would I'm a good arguer, sort of like I can find my my way in, you know, but I don't know how Anna would just be like, you want to go get some some some cookies?0.99
09:29:58.600Maybe maybe you need her. I'd be like, Anna, you cheated on me.1.00
09:30:02.380And she's like, that depends on your perspective. I'm like, whoa, let's have a conversation.
09:31:08.180But that doesn't mean the woman is going to find his trembling voice, his poor eye contact, his shakiness, his fidgeting, his uncertainty, or his otherwise visibly nervous demeanor as attractive.
09:31:27.960No, I'm like, turn around and get it together and come back.
09:31:29.600I would say only in a relationship setting, I would want my partner to be vulnerable with me, not a total stranger or someone.
09:31:36.540Right, but if it is the case that vulnerability is more attractive, you would expect that vulnerability, even when first meeting, would elicit some degree of attraction.
09:31:46.720But let me give you two examples, or well, take two otherwise identical men approaching you.
09:31:54.080One is confident, speaks clearly, makes strong eye contact, has good posture, and seems completely comfortable.