Charlie Kirk Debate: Charlie Compared To ADOLF H?! ALL Girls RAGE QUIT?! (FERAL) | Dating Talk #260
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Summary
In this episode of the Whatever Dating Talk podcast, we have a special guest on the show to talk about the recent events that happened in the world of esports, including the assassination of a streamer and the death of a fellow streamer.
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podcasts and the link for that's in the description um also the you know um normally we just jump
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right into the guest introductions i'm sure you're all aware watching uh charlie kirk was assassinated
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a couple days ago uh i don't have like a speech prepared or anything i did a stream the following day
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i did a stream on wednesday i did a stream on thursday um you know my more elaborate thoughts on
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everything that went down are in that stream if you're curious to hear that you can check it out
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it was just sort of an impromptu spontaneous stream andrew joined in for a little period of time
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obviously uh very um upset by it it's a terrible thing uh and um maybe i'll have some more words
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later but i don't want to hold up the show too much but can we get some uh i don't know some
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positive messages in in the chat right now if you guys were you watch charlie kirk you familiar with
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him maybe just leave uh as a bit of a tribute to him if you could leave like a nice message to charlie
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how he if you know maybe he he inspired you in some way or he changed your opinion on something or
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whatever it is so for the viewers if you want to leave a comment uh oh i forgot i need to open up
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i think the chat's on members only so i'm going to do that sorry guys give me one sec a little frantic
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here behind the scenes we also had some no shows uh so things were a little hectic before uh before
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the show all right i'm going to open up the chat sorry guys normally i do that at the very start of
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the stream all right guys chat is opening up right now if you guys want so now that it's open up
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uh if you guys want to leave a little message in the chat something nice to say about uh charlie
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anyways without further ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us
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your name age occupation where you're from in education go ahead my name is javon i'm 20 and i'm
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a boxer and i'm from las vegas all right and uh you grew up like always from vegas or new york
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area as well okay when did you move to vegas uh when i was 12 i want to say so okay any school
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um i have my esthetician's license esthetician what do you focus on like makeup or uh skin
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skin most of it yeah skin stuff okay all right what about you pamela my name is pamela i'm
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professionally i'm known as the violatrix i am 52 i'll be 53 next month
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all right where are you from hershey pennsylvania originally and now las vegas
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hershey pennsylvania that's where the chocolate is was made do they still make it there a little bit
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yeah actually they're bringing it back and a lot of people don't know this the reese's plant is there
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as well the reese's family is an offshoot of hershey it's a little bit more of that okay and uh
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any education college anything like that yes um two college a point park college in pittsburgh
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broadcast journalism and then a bachelor's in english literature from william patterson university
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do you have a bachelor's degree in the in journalism or not in journalism broadcast journalism i studied
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and then i transferred over to english literature gotcha and your name is the via violatrix the
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violatrix did sorry did you say your like actual name pamela pamela okay uh what what is what's
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the inspiration for violate what is that what does that mean a financial dominatrix that's what i
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do but i also i'm also an author and i educate women on how to do what i do working from home single
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moms gotcha struggling got it okay and going back to you really quick you said you're a boxer yes have
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you had a amateur boxer though you've had some fights though uh amateur fights no fights yeah i'm
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prepping for my first one in around three to four months so okay all right good luck on
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that thank you all right what about you um i'm lola i'm 20 years old uh i am a nanny and a barista
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and i'm from orange county but i go to school um in santa barbara i study creative writing creative
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writing okay um what do you want to do after you graduate uh i want to write books but i also want
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to pay rent and those two don't really coexist so figuring it out um okay do you have a specific
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genre you would like to write fiction uh not necessarily i don't know i'm still jumping around
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a lot but um i'm getting into screenwriting i i do write a bit of fiction it's predictable
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um not poetry though so i'd be some stereotypes that was gonna be my follow-up question i know
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i know haikus nope is a haiku under the it's is that under poetry it is i think that's under the
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it's like this it's close enough okay no haikus soliloquies no i'm sorry i'm letting you down
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not even one huh what what's the most recent thing you've done or you've written i guess uh i'm working
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on a book right now or like a collection of vignettes for school um about the dehumanization
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of the customer service industry dehumanization of the customer service industry i know i sound
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pretentious don't i no it sounds i don't think i mean it sounds like very needed thank you and so
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is it um are you saying like the workers are being dehumanized or yeah okay i mean i've worked at
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a coffee shop um for you know uh quite a few years on and off and it's like very clear that it is
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intended to make you seem like this personification of service to people rather than like a human being
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that they're speaking to right how long have you you said a couple years uh well around four
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non-consecutively big breaks in between i've heard from a lot of people in the service industry
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and they said that i mean this is across other industries too that something happened after
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the uh pandemic like there's just there's there's this palpable shift in i don't know just people
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lost their mind went crazy whatever there's just been an increase in mistreatment of people in the
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service service industry uh i mean not to say that it was perfect before but there's like the shift
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people on airplanes are losing their mind i don't know why that is well i do definitely think that
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covid showed a lot of corporations that like face-to-face interaction isn't as necessary as they
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thought before or at least they can function without it so you know to cut costs a lot of the like
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customer service aspects of things are being dialed down which means you know making their workers more
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focused on service rather than being humans got it okay what about you i'm ali i'm 31 um i'm from
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pasadena california born and raised um i'm a mom i work in insurance and i am an sw
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okay uh how long you been doing that um i started at 18 i took a brief break between like 2019 and 2021
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and then i started back um at the end of 2022 so i don't know how many years that is exactly but
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quite some time all right okay and when you say you do you're a sex worker
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oh chat sw she it's taught it's a sex work um what have you done um full service so just
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what escorting yeah exactly okay have you done it like so i've sold like content too i don't have
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like an of or anything just kind of pay-per-view um but mostly just in calls
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any stripping or anything like that no okay uh any street walking no okay i don't know have we had
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i don't know if we've had a street walker we we've had pro i mean anyways whatever
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um actually i mean maybe i shouldn't jump the gun any former current street walkers
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street anybody street walker okay all right um what about you um my name is olive i'm 20
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i am also a barista i also do coffee and i'm also an esthetician what what is esthetician it's like
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where you do like is it just the skin or is there other stuff too yeah you do like lasers you can do
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tattoo removals you do waxings do like the lashes the eyebrows i see okay how long you've been doing
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that um well i started school with her in about in august but i've been doing barista a lot longer
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five years six years i can whip up a good coffee
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and you're from where again sorry i'm in vegas vegas got it okay any education school anything
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besides estheticians i graduated high school okay any plans to go to college anything like that yes but
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you need lots of money for that so okay they don't have like a good city college in vegas or
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um they do but i've lived on my own since a long time so all right and uh i think we got everything
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there okay what about you hello i'm chantelle 24 i 24 44 sorry oh wait 44 44 um i live in north
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hollywood i went to college at vanderbilt university played basketball there and now i am an author
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speaker and i host a faith-based podcast with my sister all right and uh education uh bachelor's
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degree or bachelor's degree vanderbilt what what's it in human and organizational development okay and
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you played professional basketball i played in the wnba for six years with which team uh sacramento
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san antonio and atlanta but then the wnba season is so short that we'll go overseas and play in the
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off season so hungary france russia turkey and lebanon okay and uh from you said six years yeah so
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when that was from what year to what year were you in the wnba so i graduated college in 2003 so then i
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was in the league from 2003 to 2009 got retired in in 2009 okay and what was your i'm not super
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familiar with basketball but what was your position like isn't there people who play more
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defense and we play yeah yeah i mean we all play defense but yes uh i was a center so like a post
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player um i don't know if you're familiar with like the the nba but like centers like shaq and
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hakeem olajuwon and like those are like the old school centers like the tim duncan would probably be
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like what's jordan uh like shooting guard is he a forward or no no he'd be like a guard what's
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lebron what he's a ford is that what it's called ford he he's like i don't watch basketball lebron
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plays lebron's a uh forward but i would say he's more a guard because he's on the perimeter but like
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i'm a true what they would call true post player so i was more back to the basket footwork all that
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and how tall are you six foot six damn wait can you can you stand up really quick can you just
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am i gonna be like out of the camera no we got this but here we're we're losing your head here
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losing your head there wait stay stay standing for a sec damn tall nice i'm not on camera
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just curious how tall are your parents uh so i'm six six my dad was six five my mom is five four
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so funny thing i'm the oldest so i six six took after my dad my middle sister six feet tall so
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she's like literally right in the middle and then my youngest sister is five five so she took after my
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mom any brothers or no no brothers interesting yeah my dad was stuck in a household of all women
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and i'm sure he loved it at times but did not at other can i ask you a question is your dad
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a really like super masculine guy like really masculine guy um i would say like not like
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toxically masculine but he was definitely like a masculine man he he raised three three daughters
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a stepdaughter and he he taught us to you know be confident did he uh was he a player when he was
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younger like uh like a player like basketball player or a player like a lot of women like he
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got a lot of did he get a lot of women in it um i i think he was definitely uh a ladies man but he was
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also uh religious so he he had a strong faith and so i think that kind of limited his uh player
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characteristics a little bit i have this theory okay that guys who are players
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they they have disproportionately have daughters i don't because they love women so much i could
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be like it's i don't know chat you know what i mean like yeah player they say it's their karma
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something like that yeah i think i think it's because they like you know they treat women a certain
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way and then they have daughters and it kind of changes their perspective so maybe god gives them
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daughters so that they can stop being players i it's some there's some sort of i i don't know
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i'm just going to do a couple quick mic adjustments can i have you just scoot your mic
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edge of the table and scoot it that way a bit and then just for you scoot your mic this way a little
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bit really yeah you scoot your mic this way okay perfect uh your introduction please
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okay harper all right age 45 all right i'm living in sacramento right now what do you do for work
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uh caretaker all right education um i have some associates degrees and went to cal poly but dropped
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out okay rock and roll yep what are your associates degrees in um history admin of justice and two liberal
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arts degrees okay i liked community college a lot i noticed you have a frog tattoo right here what is
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what does that mean uh well did you lick a frog once no i did not it's a don't some people do that to
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get high or they lick a isn't isn't that like a well dmt is the poison of the is the poison from the
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poison dart frog i learned that that's what dmt is so it's really i wouldn't have any of that it's
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the actual poison meant to kill you from the poison dart frog yeah that's what gets your hand up so
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they can see the tattoo okay so did you lick a frog or no why would i do that that's gross something
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that people do i don't know try to get high it was my first legal tattoo it's a cover-up i ran away
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from home when i was 14 so a swastika no i don't know just the sorry that was a yeah it's random
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and out of left field for some reason i don't know just the the legs of the frog look a little i don't
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know sorry whatever uh no i had ran away from home so i got a legal tattoo when i turned 18 okay and it
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covered it up see just hold it up again they'll they'll understand why i it's a dancing frog i put
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them like this i don't know i think you might have oh you're so cute thank you i shouldn't i'm not
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coming there um what about you hi my name is kiana i am well well i was a high school teacher when i left
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florida i just moved here about three months ago um i work on a television series now and um my
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bachelor's is in marketing oh i'm 28 well i'll be 29 in like two weeks 10 days okay all right thank you
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everybody for giving your introductions we're going to go around the table once more what is
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everybody's current relationship status if you're single how long have you been single and what's the
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longest relationship you've been in go ahead uh i'm engaged engaged okay all right how long have you
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been engaged well i've been dating him for four and a half years almost five and um we got engaged two
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years ago all right so you guys started dating in high school yeah yeah he's your same age yes okay
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same grade or uh one below oh okay cougar over here uh so he's he's a year younger than you or um six
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months six months yeah just two different grades gotcha all right and uh i assume that's your longest
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relationship then oh yeah yeah only relationship or have you dated other people i don't consider
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those other ones that he's he's like the only junior high school crush or something yeah pretty
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much all right gotcha what about you married 17 years married 17 years sorry married 17 years
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have you been married previously no somebody else but my current husband is not her father
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gotcha her father passed away gotcha okay so married 17 years how long were you uh dating him
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or so like maybe you were dating him for three years before or no so about three months okay so
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it's quick so 17 years yeah um any previous long-term relationships i'm assuming the father yes her
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father how long were you with him three years three years okay uh and he passed away recently or no he
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passed away so um my father had him deported when i was pregnant with her deported yeah okay wait
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hold on okay so your dad i know you you mentioned something about this in the notes yeah your dad
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had had marcello deported marcello is he italian or italian soccer player from ottawa uruguay south
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america wait he's italian but he's from uruguay he's an immigrant he was an immigrant here so there's
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a huge population of italians in south america but so he's his nationality was uruguayan correct okay
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but he's he 100 family back in the day moved to uruguay from italy correct got it okay uh so he was an
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illegal immigrant yes sort of it didn't start out that way it ended up that way how did you meet
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him i owned rental properties his his cousin had a pizza shop on the corner where one of my rentals
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was okay and i walked in there one day and he's like my cousin want to go out with you and i was
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like which one's your cousin and he pointed to he said oh he's not here i said i'm dating an attorney
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in new york city here's my number i was trying to get out of it i said here's my number call me in
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exactly a month i'll know which way it's going with this attorney i mean to the hour he called me
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i i couldn't understand him he was like grunting into the phone he didn't speak any english
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how did you communicate he didn't speak i i was spanish or i do but that no he he would weave in
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and out of italian and spanish so fast i couldn't catch anything he spoke like five languages marcello
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um but my father i wanted a baby i was 33 years old i owned three rental properties i was a college
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admissions director i had no idea that this wouldn't fly with my father who's very old school
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italian so my father found out he tried to he tried to make me miscarry with the italian loafer
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uh it's it's kind of it's a long story we we joke about it now my father tried to make me
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miscarry when that didn't work he said if you don't terminate this pregnancy i'm going to ruin you
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and i was like go ahead i didn't think he would do it and i'd never done anything wrong in my life
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and he did it and then he bankrupted me evicted me from my properties no car no nothing eight months
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pregnant and then had her father deported he was an ins holding for three months and then i
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then he was deported and i thought well my dad was bad no it's it's all good it all turned out
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really well yeah it's okay and can you there was some link to donnie brasco what was oh so my
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father's from my father's born in 1941 in the marcy projects in brooklyn which is where jay-z sings
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but it doesn't exist anymore but my father grew up in patterson new jersey around all like the wise
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guys so one of my father's very good friends was joe pistone but while joe played or what
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well johnny depp played joe in the movie donnie brasco there were plenty that were not on the
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right side of the law so my father was very connected to these guys and um that's how my
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father ultimately was able to have marcello deported it was calling in political favors i was told years
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later i ran into a police officer who said to me do you know how difficult it was in post 9 11
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like society to have her father deported because they're only spending money deporting people
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that are coming from basically muslim countries to get someone deported to latin america south
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america was unheard of like your father had to pull the highest level political favors to make that
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happen so wait so your your father was he was he you said did you say connected oh he's connected he
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like are you talking politically or are you talking mafia isn't that the same i mean aren't those really
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one and the same points were made my father passed away uh it'll be three years ago at christmas so i
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would never be able to talk about any of this if he hadn't as a matter of fact as far as the fin
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doming i mean he would like if he found out that i was doing that that would be the end but ironically
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it's the reason i had to become a fin dom when he ruined me and bankrupted me and i was a single
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mother that is how a nice catholic girl from hershey pennsylvania from a good family becomes a fin dom
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it was the only way i could get out of welfare out of the system and it's also why i teach women to
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do what i do single moms women struggling got it okay uh what about you i'm single single okay yes
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i detected a bit of hesitation there uh is it complicated you know i had just forgotten the
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question oh just uh your relationship status oh yeah it's i'm just yeah okay then
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she's like i'm single what's uh what's your longest relationship you've ever been in two and a half
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years all right how long have you been single for um oh god these are really complicated questions
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um technically six months i guess okay so um are you currently in a situation ship yes all right
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how long have you been in the situation ship oh goodness um coming on uh six months now
00:28:21.420
uh wait hold on don't do the math so you've been single for six months in a situation ship for six
00:28:33.080
months the person who you broke up with six months ago is it the same person you're in a situation ship
00:28:38.080
with yes so you used to be in a relationship with this person well no it's
00:28:45.340
it's complicated i'm single explain it to me i'm single um when's the last time you hung out with
00:28:55.000
your situation ship i don't think they'd love information shared about that was it today
00:29:02.760
mind your own business what's going on it's a dating podcast we talk about dating i willingly come on the
00:29:08.960
dating podcast so okay you've seen them recently it sounds like and uh the relationship that ended six
00:29:20.020
months ago how long were you dating that person um it was i i like a month
00:29:28.940
a month yes were you in a situation ship with them before you dated them for a month no
00:29:38.720
not really so you met them and then you immediately were in a relationship no we were we were friends
00:29:47.820
before with benefits no okay no all right so tell me if this is blink twice if this is
00:29:58.520
oh god if if i'm gonna yeah okay present my understanding uh so okay you
00:30:08.480
were exclusive with a person for one month and one of you did not want to be exclusive
00:30:17.540
and then you've continued having sex with each other for six months hey i didn't make that claim
00:30:35.580
so okay um are you dating multiple people or when i say like i just mean like going on dates like
00:30:43.540
hanging out with multiple people who you have an interest in yeah okay do you have a roster
00:30:48.460
currently a roster yeah um i mean i suppose okay orientation are you straight by by okay i also i
00:30:56.000
don't think sexuality is real so what do you mean i think that if we were raised without the notions
00:31:02.240
of like straight and gay as concepts people wouldn't naturally have as strong preferences as they do
00:31:09.200
i think that people would just be into people as a whole without gender playing a big role i actually
00:31:13.980
huh that's interesting i kind of think it might be the reverse really well there's this idea that uh
00:31:25.660
you're not going to like the term i use but uh there's this concept of social contagion
00:31:32.140
so actually it might be the case if we didn't teach people about sexuality at all you would see
00:31:38.100
more people fall into a more the the uh heterosexuality then you might see people fall
00:31:46.540
into pansexuality sure bisexuality as much as i understand where you're coming from i do think that
00:31:53.660
you know in order for that to be tested we would have to strip down everything that teaches people
00:31:59.320
about um you know the the concept of being into one gender over the other and i think that our society
00:32:06.420
is so built fundamentally on that that if we just didn't openly discuss it then the like uh you
00:32:12.760
know sub or undertones of growing up are still like you see straight couples together more than you see
00:32:20.040
gay couples together you hear about straight couples more um it's just like it's more normalized even if
00:32:26.080
we're not explicitly discussing whether or not it is yeah i don't know i think that uh i i i think that
00:32:34.920
people can have natural inclinations towards pansexuality homosexuality uh bisexuality whatever
00:32:43.520
it is without there being any sort of cultural um even cultural understanding of these things
00:32:51.040
and this is it's obviously a natural phenomenon but there is i think a social component you know
00:32:57.660
there for example there is this uh study done i believe in i'm trying to think if it was in lithuania
00:33:03.340
it was one of the uh i think one of the baltic countries or something where uh they don't have
00:33:11.640
a term for what is it they don't have a term for what's it called when you get into a car accident
00:33:20.240
whiplash they don't have a term for this in the country and there is a i think sometimes there's a
00:33:29.360
psychological component if if you create something or create a term for something
00:33:34.600
people will perhaps i don't know what the exact word for this is like uh self-fulfilling prophecy
00:33:46.020
almost yeah they'll be molded into what you're saying if you create something they'll be molded
00:33:53.380
into that they'll be like oh maybe i am that like instead of being confused about something it's
00:33:59.220
like oh well well maybe i'm by well for example if there was absolutely no societal understanding of
00:34:07.360
transgenderism i would suspect that people would still experience like an uneasiness but i'm not
00:34:14.800
sure if they would be able to actually attribute it to this to x thing sure and so this idea that
00:34:22.360
you're saying if we did away with these labels you know you're transgender or you're you're bisexual
00:34:30.220
or you're asexual or you're heterosexual you're pansexual that more people would fall into those
00:34:35.400
categories i'm not actually sure that's the case well i do think that it is untestable just because of
00:34:42.400
how fundamental those ideas are to the way that we live but uh i don't know because i i also i'm
00:34:48.940
gonna make the claim that gender isn't real as well um but what do you mean gender is not real
00:34:54.320
well obviously sex is real um okay but gender is not real no i i think that if we weren't like the
00:35:00.900
reason that men feel the need to be more masculine is because they are biologically stronger so they've
00:35:06.060
played more like uh masculine protective roles in history right that aren't necessarily like
00:35:12.200
super prominent now um because you know we're living in like a modern society um but yeah i i do
00:35:19.320
think that these ideas that we have of like how men and women are biologically different are almost
00:35:25.660
entirely nurture in the way that we're raised in the way we're taught to be i think the only biological
00:35:30.880
difference i can really think of is like you know physicality and like strength and stuff like that
00:35:35.220
you don't think there's any innate differences absent physiology well i can't say that 100 we don't
00:35:43.280
really know i personally don't really believe so but you know i have no way of being sure so you don't
00:35:49.480
believe that there's sort of generalized inclinations like i would agree for example there are some women
00:35:54.500
who are more uh masculine or you know whatever would fall under the label of masculinity then there
00:36:03.960
are some men like there's feminine men yeah but generally speaking i think it would it's fair to say
00:36:10.540
that men tend to lean towards masculinity women tend to lean towards femininity regardless of nurture
00:36:18.380
sure but i think that nurture is like the nurture i'm talking about is within everyone it's just the
00:36:24.360
way that we're raised what we see when we're walking down the street the way that we see people who
00:36:28.660
look and speak like us act you know like growing up i watched the women in my life act much in much
00:36:35.140
more feminine ways i watched the men in my life be much more masculine um so i think even if it wasn't
00:36:40.100
like a conscious i was being told that you have to be ladylike or feminine i was still observing that
00:36:45.620
and the people i associated with were acting in those ways what if i told you that there were studies
00:36:50.460
before with very young children uh very young before they can even conceptualize the and you know maybe
00:36:59.200
you'll make the argument that while even even under one year old there's already nurture influence
00:37:05.680
taking place that creates this difference between male and female but these studies before even
00:37:12.660
i before an age where you can conceptualize these sorts of things and really there can be much
00:37:18.280
influence based on nurture that there you will see differences between boys and girls in terms of
00:37:25.000
their interest in like toys for example and they'll naturally gravitate towards certain things or
00:37:32.340
certain types of play even at a very young age so i think that this would counter your idea that
00:37:37.900
things are strictly nurture i think that uh there are a lot of difficulties with a study like that
00:37:45.620
i mean unless the children were raised like obviously we don't know if in the first year i mean
00:37:50.540
we can assume that they are already picking up on things children have to learn to smile they have to
00:37:55.740
learn to laugh you know like things that we assume to be innate really aren't they're just observing more
00:38:00.540
than we assume um but yeah i think that for a study like that to really be accurate they would have to be
00:38:05.920
like raised in captivity essentially so you're saying essentially then using your logic all studies
00:38:14.420
regardless of the age of the participants they must be held in captivity away from influence from the
00:38:20.220
world well not necessarily because so should we well i mean that would be the extension of your logic
00:38:25.400
we should just throw away all studies then because these individuals i mean it would even apply more to
00:38:30.880
like sociological psychological studies conducted on adults they've had 18 years of programming
00:38:36.600
whereas you know babies who are under one year have had very at least well less programming let's say
00:38:43.060
sure but i think the difference between those two is this study specifically is trying to study nature
00:38:47.580
we're trying to discuss how people innately are if we're doing studies on adults we're always operating
00:38:53.220
under the assumption that their nurture has played a part right so you don't necessarily need those
00:38:58.160
factors exempt because it's acknowledged that it's going to play into the results if we acknowledge
00:39:02.500
that the nature or the nurture of those children play into the results then it negates the idea that
00:39:07.440
it's their nurture making them gravitate to those toys yeah i'm not sure i really i'm going to really
00:39:13.740
agree there again when you're conducting these sorts of experiments with very young children i don't think
00:39:19.860
that there there's at least my position would be while there might be some degree of nurture that has
00:39:27.060
occurred i don't think it's sufficient enough to override the sort of innate biological influence that
00:39:34.800
is going to be as a result of somebody's sex yeah sure so for example i mean there's other studies too
00:39:41.200
where generally generally speaking men have a greater tendency towards uh towards ideas or towards things
00:39:49.140
and women have a greater tendency towards people so this could let this would manifest itself in
00:39:54.480
professions women have a greater uh have a greater push towards professions that involve people
00:40:00.980
whereas men have a greater push towards professions that involve things or ideas so like that's why you
00:40:06.960
see more men in engineering for example and that's why you see more women in health care or you see more
00:40:13.420
women in jobs like social work or jobs like um teaching for example sure and i think that that can be
00:40:22.440
boiled down to it's rooted from sex not gender the reason that men are more inclined to jobs like
00:40:28.260
that is because they are physically stronger they're built for um like jobs that they can use their like
00:40:34.120
they don't have to be personable for they don't have well my sorry what i'm getting at here when it
00:40:39.680
comes to women obviously throughout or i mean i can't confidently say i just women haven't been put in
00:40:45.900
workplaces for a very long time um women have always been involved in of course they've been involved but
00:40:51.000
women have never been viewed as capable in the way that men have been women have had this idea that
00:40:55.920
they you know belong in the house they belong to uplift men rather than be their own person and
00:41:01.100
that's only very recently being deconstructed well hold on there's a couple there's a whole bunch there
00:41:05.940
that that you've smuggled in that i would have to i would have to address this is real life
00:41:11.060
like whoa there's a whole bunch there's a whole bunch smuggled in there so i would i i dispute this
00:41:20.460
idea that it that women weren't deemed as capable also really quick just to rewind here when i'm
00:41:27.680
talking about engineering engineering uh i mean you're talking about physical labor when i'm talking
00:41:33.220
about engineering i'm talking about that that's purely mental for the most part i misunderstood you
00:41:38.480
there so there's no there's no prohibition or limit on women entering engineering at least today
00:41:44.560
due to any sort of physical strength differential between men and women engineering is purely a mental
00:41:51.120
endeavor well in terms of the thought process of engineering actually seeing it through you know
00:41:57.400
you need construction workers or you know whatever it is to actually have the physical capacity and
00:42:02.080
strength to be able to do that but moving off of that though hold on you said that uh women
00:42:08.360
have have been basically relegated to the household for the benefit of men i would disagree with your
00:42:15.700
assessment there uh i think for the benefit it would i would like to perhaps rephrase your statement
00:42:20.660
to the benefit of the family and to society not to the benefit solely of men and then also i would
00:42:27.860
just say that uh we would also have to apply this to men too men have been relegated to danger
00:42:34.760
for for for most of human history uh and viewed as disposable they've been relegated to backbreaking
00:42:41.460
physical work to being essentially wallets and relegated to uh being put through the meat grinder of war
00:42:50.320
if we do a comparison between this expectation then on men and compare it to women i don't know if women
00:42:58.060
got that much of a you know i don't think they got a really unfair shake historically in modern day
00:43:04.820
that they get to be provided for and they get to enjoy the comfort of the household while men go out
00:43:12.000
into the world and either fight or work and oftentimes and you know we see this also men die much earlier
00:43:19.340
there's a whole bunch of reasons for this men typically die five years sooner than women why would
00:43:24.580
this be it seems like actually women have a lot of privileged positions i would say women tend to
00:43:30.040
live healthier lives women live longer this would probably indicate women have some degree of
00:43:35.940
privilege over men well i'm not claiming that the system benefits men i don't think this is good for
00:43:42.160
anyone i do what system are you referring to oh well you know the the concept of like the nuclear
00:43:47.200
family like the women in the household men out at work i don't think that this is good for men either
00:43:53.020
i think that it's negative for women because you know they are definitely viewed down upon they're
00:43:57.100
not given their own independence or at least haven't been um and you know definitely are expected
00:44:02.920
to uh just kind of dull their own aspirations for the sake of the family however i don't think that
00:44:11.220
it's good for men either i think a lot of men aren't capable of expressing emotion because they
00:44:16.220
are expected to be strong i think that they are pushed into um positions that they don't always want
00:44:20.860
to be in i think that it also dulls their own self-expression you know the way that it does for
00:44:24.580
women um i i think that my argument primarily is that these roles are purely negative and uh hurt
00:44:32.940
everyone involved the roles are negative yes okay so the roles that we're we're referencing is
00:44:39.460
you you're talking like a more traditional gender dynamics as it relates to relationships as it relates
00:44:45.620
relationships and also the workplace the workplace okay so i first off i would also say that uh when
00:44:53.480
there the nuclear family can still exist and there could be a scenario where the woman has also freedom
00:45:00.420
and does work also but do you have specific issues with the nuclear family not necessarily like assuming
00:45:07.400
let's say the dynamic is both people are able to pursue their career aspirations and the man and the
00:45:13.700
woman is working but they're married and have children do you object to that dynamic no not
00:45:18.720
necessarily that term wasn't exactly what i was looking for okay so you don't have issues strictly
00:45:22.960
with the nuclear family no okay let's come back to this because i want to let everybody you know give
00:45:28.900
their relationship status and stuff but i will make a note we'll talk about um what were all the
00:45:35.920
things we were talking we hit on i just had a question you said gender doesn't exist yeah so
00:45:44.060
when you say gender doesn't exist you don't believe in gender identity then uh i think that it is
00:45:48.980
definitely possible to be inclined to a certain gender identity but i think that it is primarily
00:45:54.460
like obviously rooted in who you are fundamentally but i i do think that the way that we are taught about
00:46:00.240
gender and the way we view it as a society plays a huge role on how we view it independently but so if you
00:46:05.280
reject gender do you only acknowledge sex no i don't think that something has to be real for it
00:46:12.380
to bring people comfort i think that like i personally identify as a woman because you know
00:46:16.700
i grew up viewing myself in a feminine way i align with femininity in that kind of sense do i think that
00:46:22.000
that's like really that based in reality do i think that that's like fundamental to who i am no
00:46:27.220
but it brings me comfort but when you say so you reject gender is that correct so but when you say
00:46:32.520
the word woman yes you say you're a woman yes okay so when you say woman are you alluding to sex
00:46:40.020
no i don't think it's a real concept i think that to say you said gender is not a real concept yes but
00:46:45.400
you you said sex is a real concept yeah woman is reference to gender i would say females in relation
00:46:50.480
to sex here's my confusion is you reject gender but now you're saying that woman relates to gender
00:46:58.620
yes exactly well it's but you reject gender i do so you're using woman to relate to sex then
00:47:05.460
no i'm using it to relate to gender but you reject gender i do so how does that reconcile that for me
00:47:11.760
okay bear with me on this we're gonna it's gonna take a little bit i think that woman as a concept it's
00:47:17.880
not a super real thing it is just this term that we associate with femininity because we associate
00:47:23.000
women with the female sex right i don't think that being a woman is a real thing being a female is a
00:47:31.560
real thing i see you shaking your head do you agree with this yeah what oh i love this take because i
00:47:40.940
just sound crazy trying to ask you went to school you have an education oh is that hard to believe
00:47:45.800
no i'm no it's not hard to believe i'm just asking you have an education in your degrees and what
00:47:50.280
um writing and literature okay do you did you take any gender studies and things like that
00:47:56.780
and yes school okay um i'm a big fan of those classes yeah i can tell i can't wait for you to
00:48:02.300
weigh in on this please um but you're taking writing classes primarily okay so what's your degree going
00:48:09.760
to be in writing and literature okay yeah when when i say that i'm a woman i don't think that that term
00:48:15.740
actually holds real weight i think that it's just this idea we have i think societal constructs can
00:48:20.840
be real to us even if they're not actually based in anything um here we're gonna blast through the
00:48:27.880
we're coming back to this let's just finish sorry no you're fine you're totally fine let's finish
00:48:32.000
relationship status go ahead sorry that was a little bit aggravating there's a man and a woman
00:48:38.480
period that's it okay that's it relationship status um i'm single single uh how long um oh shit
00:48:47.640
since 2021 four years longest relationship uh like six and a half years were you previously married
00:48:56.160
no you have one kid yes only one kid yeah okay the kid is from your six and a half year relationship
00:49:03.720
or somebody else no oh thank god no how old's your kid how old's your kid uh from my most recent
00:49:12.900
relationship got it all right what about you um currently i'm single kind of like her like
00:49:19.740
situationship situationship yeah okay how long have you been single for um two months two months
00:49:28.820
okay longest relationship uh two two years is that the one that ended two months ago no okay uh two
00:49:37.000
year relationship who broke up with who uh it was actually a very complicated situation i made her
00:49:43.620
breakup basically you deported him didn't have to not not even that one it was my first relationship
00:49:53.140
like my first high school like you know like love relationship it just ended up uh we won't both
00:49:59.500
weren't ready we both weren't at this same like mental capacity and uh it just ended up getting a little
00:50:05.720
bit handsy where like you beat him no well god no no no he uh it was more of like he had mental
00:50:14.000
struggles he wanted to hurt himself and i stopped him from hurting himself so it kind of affected me i
00:50:20.820
ended up having to go to the hospital for it so that kind of both stumped our families and kind of
00:50:26.480
put us in like oh you guys aren't made for each other so i stayed single for about two and a half
00:50:32.280
years and then i met my most recent ex and that was the six month relationship and he was a complete
00:50:38.500
jerk off he was like abusive also so gotcha and you said that uh you're currently in this
00:50:46.260
situation ship yeah can you explain that um i it was kind of like i just met him uh through friends
00:50:52.020
of friends it's not anything because i have faith i believe in god and my first two relationships i
00:50:58.000
didn't have really god in my relationship and i feel like now i really want him to be in my relationship
00:51:03.680
and to kind of help guide me because he's guided me a lot recently within my life so my new
00:51:11.260
situationship it's like we're taking it very easy almost like a high school like holding hands
00:51:17.700
kissing that's about it hugging in your previous people you've dated that hasn't been the case is
00:51:23.480
that correct yeah okay that hasn't been the case so you're christian uh yes i just yeah kind of do you
00:51:30.160
have a denomination well i was mormon for my first 14 years of my life so that kind of made me go away
00:51:37.680
from god just because of the mormon religion and how strict and everything they believe in i don't
00:51:43.120
quite believe in what they believe in so i kind of just stepped back from it i started becoming an
00:51:49.060
atheist just because of everything that happened in my life i was like why would god let this happen
00:51:52.460
why would he do this but it took me many years to kind of understand of why he did this and it's all
00:51:58.960
for a lesson it all helped me grow to who i am right now and currently um i noticed you have a
00:52:04.860
hickey on your neck yeah yeah about that is that part of your uh taking it slow thing yes it actually
00:52:12.380
was actually it was not it was more of uh i told him i was going on a podcast and he was like oh really
00:52:22.560
and he gave you the hickey he's like shit can't let all these uh all right that's uh interesting
00:52:32.060
um yeah although i mean look i that's actually i haven't had a hickey since i was like 17 so
00:52:38.940
and things were moving slow at 17 so i guess that i guess that kind of makes sense i guess when you're
00:52:45.780
taking it slow that's the best you get you know your neck i think i don't know about the chat but
00:52:51.880
you get i feel like you get you have one hickey and you're like okay i don't need another hickey
00:52:57.680
yeah like don't do that please but okay um that was my first hickey this is your first hickey
00:53:04.020
no i i swear by that like i'm so sorry wow that was crazy oh wow all right um okay cool um
00:53:20.960
so you just met this guy you've hung out a couple times what two weeks you said yeah we've been
00:53:26.780
together for like the past two weeks all right we met each other is he christian too yeah
00:53:34.780
wait hold on but you said you've been single for two months you said right yes okay all right what
00:53:45.200
about you relationship um i am single all right how long and have been single for well i've been
00:53:52.280
single and abstinent for 12 years um wait single and abstinent for 12 years i did have a boyfriend
00:54:00.580
about a year ago but that was four months a four month relationship but it was like we didn't even
00:54:08.900
kiss was he taller than you he was six four so almost but no is he was he a black guy white guy
00:54:16.920
no he was he was a white guy white guy yeah uh all right so single celibate for 12 years
00:54:22.880
well abstinent because celibate celibate means that i never want to have sex again and abstinent means
00:54:30.260
i'm like i'm not having sex basically until marriage
00:54:34.140
wait like celibate like priests are celibate because they don't plan on well supposedly
00:54:41.340
yeah but like celibacy means like i've taken a vow of celibacy which means i'm not having sex
00:54:49.120
again until marriage until marriage no like period oh you're done a bit no no no no me like celibacy
00:54:55.000
means i've taken a vow celibacy i'm not having sex period abstinent which is what i am means that i
00:55:00.760
am abstaining for a certain amount of time for me personally until you're until marriage until you're
00:55:05.820
married yeah i see were you previously married no i've never been married i've never been married
00:55:11.100
any kids no okay um and you said you've been abstinent for 12 years 12 years well it's been
00:55:20.040
longer than 12 years but i have been a christian for uh on wednesday it will be 12 years i 12 years ago so
00:55:28.740
um wednesday is my like 12th spiritual birthday so i always say like listen you ain't you may have
00:55:35.820
whatever you need on me before you know september 17 2013 but it's just that day you haven't had sex
00:55:43.820
since barack obama was president i mean when you put it like that since 12 years ago since before seven
00:55:52.240
since before september 17th 2013 yes sept the last time you had sex was september 7th 2013 i don't
00:56:01.400
remember when the last time i had sex that's when you became but when i became when i repented and was
00:56:07.420
baptized was september 17th 2013 i so before that time whenever my last time was it was before that
00:56:16.960
time since that date i know i have not had sex or even kissed a guy honestly okay oh we have a
00:56:25.780
message coming through here muddy ninja 2528 donated 200 hey but when women get into those workplace men
00:56:34.860
are still have to help them so they don't slow the production down oh wow do you want to respond to
00:56:41.860
that do you mind if i do go ahead so when i said that women are viewed as less capable that's a
00:56:47.480
great example um women don't need help to do jobs that men can do there's no difference between our
00:56:54.720
capabilities cap that's a lie that is that is not true i'm a six foot six woman former professional
00:57:01.340
athlete and there are like i am still weaker sure yeah physically than a lot of men i know even though
00:57:11.240
i may be bigger bigger physically than certain men i'm still weaker and so if we are going to line up
00:57:17.120
and have to do the same job physically then i'm not going to be able to do the same thing that he can do
00:57:22.560
capacity wise just from a strength position so if we're put in that position i will need more help
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whether it is from a person or a machine or to lessen the load or to go slower or whatever so like
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that's not even true sure in that sense if no offense sorry uh if we're talking like physically
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yeah i have acknowledged that men are physically stronger that's undeniable i think that's what he
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was talking about sure but i mean the workplace is a general term that is just the idea that women
00:57:50.520
can't do work the same way as men not all jobs require physical labor there are plenty of jobs where
00:57:56.020
people have other kinds of genetic advantages not based on sex that we never talk about because
00:58:00.640
people don't care unless it's used to put the other gender down well i think he said like those
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workplaces so he was specifically talking about like like you have to help like slow the pace down
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if we're talking specifically in those workplaces women might need extra help i can i can understand
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that right sorry i know that was oh no you guys are good i was just reading some bullshit
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uh okay um i'll address the bullshit in just a moment uh let's finish the relationship status
00:58:34.300
or wait so hold on really quick finishing up with you uh so but you weren't always abstinent
00:58:41.080
no okay no definitely not all right uh you have had a relationship before i'm assuming like
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yeah my longest relationship before that was um on and off probably about three years
00:58:52.780
three years gotcha okay all right all right what about you i'm single all right how long you've
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been single 18 months all right march 11 2024 longest longest relationship seven years all right
00:59:11.180
ever married yes just once no twice twice okay any kids yes two two kids from the same father
00:59:21.520
okay so two kids separate fathers uh the two marriages let's do a bit of a timeline here how old were
00:59:28.980
you when you first got married um 18 okay how long were you married for till i was 19 so about a year
00:59:39.020
you were married okay did you have a kid with him okay one kid uh who initiated the divorce
00:59:45.340
well he did because i left well okay but you you wanted to break up the relationship is that correct
00:59:56.600
well i left under weird circumstances i didn't mean for things to happen when you're
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a young child and i was raising a baby and didn't know you know other substances came into my life and i
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left with the substances you know and so i didn't sorry substances substances yes like drugs oh okay
01:00:18.540
um meth what were you no thanks um i think it was cocaine came around yeah okay all right so that
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happened and um so i left and relinquished him and though i have to say i got clean uh when he was
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three so i've been clean for most of his life gotcha yeah good for you congratulations on that thank you
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you were married a second time at what age were you married 24 that was short-lived as well how long
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not even a year okay do you have a kid from him too or no that's the kid is from a different
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relationship got it okay and did you end that marriage yes okay you initiated the divorce
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yes okay what was the reason he was too old for me at the time
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uh how old were you and how old was he 24 and he was in his 50s at the time i couldn't
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did he lie about his age or something no i just didn't and then realized i was like i don't want to
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do this anymore i was going to college with really hot guys all around me my age oh my god and was
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like i'm married to this old man oh no i can't do this this is wrong idea sorry my bad and i left
01:01:58.220
so you divorced him because of his age which you were aware of
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for the entire duration of the relationship sounds about right
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your reactions are everything you're just like wait yeah i don't know do you ever realize you made
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a mistake i've definitely let me change my mind i don't know if that ever happens to brian look i i oh
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sure i've made mistakes or uh but i didn't realize that marriage is a very serious thing
01:02:38.440
i did not understand that i had no idea i go about life like your second marriage though
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do what it was your second marriage yeah it doesn't mean anything it doesn't mean i learned anything in
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that short amount of time they were very close together that's true yeah um did he pay you alimony
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no okay uh and every woman for years always asked me why why didn't you get them for everything
01:03:06.460
well you guys were together for a very short period of time even if there was it doesn't matter i had
01:03:10.740
nothing well but typically my interest it it's very jurisdictional dependent it depends on you know
01:03:17.600
what state you're in obviously there's different laws depending on what state but it was in texas
01:03:24.260
typically you know alimony will be awarded proportion proportionate to how long the marriage
01:03:30.820
was right so for example if you're married for three months the judge typically is not going to
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award a woman 10 years of alimony yes but if i came in with nothing and he bought me a house and a car
01:03:40.740
and a this and a that and i said you know i'm sorry my bad here just keep everything no i could have
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fought for some stuff whether it was we were married for less than a year i could have fought
01:03:52.720
for things not money not alimony for the rest of my life i'm not confused about that but uh did he buy
01:04:00.880
you a house so that house was in your name or yes okay i mean you then it's possible you could have
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had some legal claim to it but from what you're saying it sounds like you didn't actually pursue
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i did nothing that's right okay well i mean my name was on the deed and everything
01:04:21.420
okay well i mean that's honorable i guess you know off the hook um okay you said he bought you a car
01:04:33.640
two did you keep the car um yeah because i came into the car with a really piece of shit car so i
01:04:41.800
got a nicer car and i got to keep that yeah i see okay uh all right so i mean you got some benefits
01:04:49.560
it sounds like um all right and uh what about the you're single now you have two kids were you paid
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child support by either of the two fathers uh yes i was paid child support by the second dad
01:05:05.680
not the first though no okay the second is he still paying child support or no okay so your your kid is
01:05:13.940
over 18 no i lost her to his custody at the pandemic oh um yeah some what about your other child
01:05:22.680
well your other child he's grown he's grown he's an adult okay but you're how old is your youngest
01:05:28.340
uh she's a teenager she's almost 18 almost 18 are you paying him child support no he has full
01:05:36.660
custody you previously had full custody yes i make arrangements so we make arrangements hey this
01:05:45.780
isn't things happened but what was you said were you fighting over the custody arrangement in court
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no we didn't okay so it was a voluntary exchange of custody yes i see okay due to the pandemic and
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my living situation changed you and i could no longer keep her with me and i had no choice and he
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also called my bluff when he said i'll just come get her and you know whatever whatever so i said sure
01:06:18.120
you can take her to do all this stuff doctors this that and the other and he called my bluff and
01:06:23.540
picked her up i was pretty pissed off pretty pissed off okay relationship status i'm single how long
01:06:31.180
you've been single um probably since oh no since like june of 2020 so about five years then longest
01:06:42.700
relationship probably two years but it was a high school relationship
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okay uh all right and are you also abstinent yes i have been since 2018
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because you're you're a christian right and uh okay all right cool that's everybody's relationship
01:07:05.000
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thank you so much man appreciate it thank you guys we have chef dill pickles i don't believe she was in
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the wmba she's nice and i haven't seen and i hasn't hit anyone probably she hasn't hit anyone yet
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it's been a fair amount of time thank you okay are people in the wmba like violence or something i
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don't i mean i mean that's that's definitely a stereotype but no like what i mean on the court
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the court can get physical for sure but we're not on the court we're having a nice civilized
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conversation here we have food for thought men are taught to control their emotions not suppress them
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big difference women and men need to sacrifice their ambitions for family children first men know
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this women see it as oppression do you want to respond to this sure i i mean i think that if you
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want to have children if you want to have a family there's always going to be sacrifices you need to
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make and i think that that is different for every individual family a lot of families will work
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better with the man in the home and the woman out at work i'm not saying that no one should make a
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sacrifice i'm just saying that these like rigid expectations aren't beneficial for anyone
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for anyone for anyone possibly i mean i think that it you could make the argument that it's good for the
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children but i do think that that leads to children growing up in households where their parents aren't
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happy it leads to divorce if their parents feel like forced into like situations it leads to
01:09:09.200
forced to do certain things sure like for example even even removing ourselves from a conversation about
01:09:17.860
relationships if you want to even maneuver or survive in the world would you say because you're using
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this word forced right so nobody's really forced to do anything people often voluntarily will engage in
01:09:30.500
these sorts of relationship dynamics but you are would you say people are forced to work in order to
01:09:38.200
provide for themselves well i mean i guess the word forced you know here is and so weird definition i
01:09:45.100
if we're talking for survival like we could say forced i don't think the wording matters that much we
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all have a good idea of what's at stake if you're not working you know um and i don't think that anyone is
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necessarily like being held at gunpoint and saying you have to follow gender roles but i do definitely
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think that it's um there are expectations on it there are pressures on it um there's just a lot that
01:10:07.320
tries to push people into those positions so i guess when we're talking about uh i don't know forced
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is interesting to me because we're we're well beyond the age of arranged marriages and women can work
01:10:25.520
women have choice right although you have taken away the choice or it's not so much the choice but the
01:10:32.780
ability for women who don't want to work and who do want a traditional dynamic you've stripped that away
01:10:40.700
from most women who do want that have i well not you specifically have we society has yes you don't
01:10:48.020
think that a woman who wants a traditional type of dynamic in her relationship and her family you think
01:10:53.160
that she's incapable of finding a man who also wants that well i think the issue is is when there's
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changes just massive upheaval and changes to society that make it impossible for example to
01:11:06.280
raise a family on one income that while there are men who are still high earners and who are still
01:11:14.580
traditional who are fine fully taking care of a woman uh it cuts out a large proportion of men who
01:11:22.000
would like to have that dynamic but simply due to the economic reality that it's just most people
01:11:29.920
even if you have traditional inclinations you're not going to be able to facilitate that
01:11:36.160
sort of dynamic because most people aren't going to be able to enter that high income earning bracket
01:11:42.720
because well there's a whole bunch of reasons economics are incredibly complex but i would put
01:11:48.500
it really simply as follows so and just to be clear women were participating in the workforce
01:11:53.940
for all of human history uh and women weren't barred from working women could work this is like a
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feminist myth and invention but when we put out propaganda that says oh bad to be stay-at-home mom
01:12:11.460
you you are oppressed if you are staying at home looking after the family taking care of the kids
01:12:19.140
you're oppressed you should you should aim to have career and financial and success ambition as a woman
01:12:25.840
and put children and family on the back burner that should be second third fourth fifth priority for you
01:12:31.460
as a woman if you essentially not quite overnight but in a very very quick period of time you double
01:12:40.480
the labor pool corporations love this corporate rich people love this you drive down the well first off
01:12:50.220
you have a surplus of labor and then you drive down wages now again i just want to be clear
01:12:56.680
i think women should obviously have the choice to work if you're a woman and you want to work
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whatever it is you should absolutely have that choice but corresponding with that i think it we
01:13:07.460
can't ignore the fact that when you have massive societal change and you double essentially double
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the labor pool that's going to drive wages down like if we just doubled the like i don't know if we just
01:13:19.900
had uh i don't know we we uh let's say we cloned everybody like would there be enough corresponding
01:13:29.760
jobs to give everybody a job wages would be driven down now the economic reality is it takes two incomes
01:13:37.340
to support a family sure so now women who might have otherwise been inclined towards wanting to be stay
01:13:47.920
at home and you've taken the choice away from them a little bit now they women who don't want to work
01:13:54.160
are forced to work whereas they could have engaged in a more traditional dynamic but the pool of men
01:14:00.540
like historically there was a much larger percentage or pool of men who could support a family on just
01:14:06.700
their income now that i don't know what the percentage is maybe it used to be 50 60 percent of men could do
01:14:12.400
it maybe more 70 80 percent maybe 5 percent of men 10 percent of men can provide for family so you have
01:14:21.220
taken away a cohort of women's choice and ability to enter that sort of relationship dynamic
01:14:28.660
and i i also think like socially um there is looked at it is looked at as a weaker choice or a less
01:14:38.880
ambitious choice and i am extremely an ambitious woman but um if you just look at the narrative
01:14:46.480
that is spread you are a quote-unquote less ambitious woman if that is your ambition and i know because
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i've i used to feel like that i don't necessarily anymore that hasn't been my choice but i do see the
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narrative so i do have a couple things to say on both of that i think um on your point i completely
01:15:09.340
understand where you're coming from i do think that this like idea that women are pushing against
01:15:14.680
stay-at-home moms sure there are there is obviously there's always going to be extremists right um i don't
01:15:19.840
think that's the primary argument i can tell you right now that's not my argument i do think that
01:15:24.800
like the pushback on this idea that women have to stay at home it has like it is capable of going a
01:15:31.360
little too far where then it gets looked down upon but i think that for me i can speak for myself i
01:15:36.660
can speak for the majority of people i know the majority of opinions i've heard no one uh that or
01:15:42.720
at least for me i don't at all think that being a stay-at-home mom is a less in any way like
01:15:49.420
impressive ambition i think that that is just as admirable as anything else i think the only thing
01:15:55.720
that i would constitute as admirable here is doing what you want to do regardless of what that is it
01:16:00.520
doesn't really matter um but on that note i also do think that if we're saying like i i don't think
01:16:08.320
that the reason men can't support their families is because women are now working um i i'm sure that
01:16:13.560
the you know um labor pool growing it plays a role but so many things play a role and i i don't think
01:16:20.600
that it is fair to say oh if you start working then you know other women might have to start working
01:16:25.720
too therefore we shouldn't encourage you to work i think people should be following their ambitions
01:16:30.880
if it leads to things like you know what we are seeing now where families can't support themselves
01:16:36.040
that is representative of a much larger problem and the solution is not to tell people not to work
01:16:41.500
and not to follow their ambitions but i also would like to ask if in your opinion women have not
01:16:47.800
been barred uh from working in the past why would the labor pool be doubling if they were completely
01:16:54.300
free to work before what do you mean well i mean i women obviously haven't been in the workplace
01:17:00.640
historically um and you think there's a total bar on women participating no in the workplace like
01:17:08.040
this idea that no women were able to work there there's no like really any laws preventing women
01:17:13.960
from women didn't have access to education until very recently what define recently uh you know i
01:17:20.920
can't give you an exact year but i i would i believe somewhere in the 1900s i want to say like mid to
01:17:27.280
late 1900s yeah most people historically never went to college yeah i think that like classism is a huge
01:17:36.140
issue the fact that poor people don't have access right i'm not saying that that's like not another
01:17:42.100
factor but i i sorry yes well i mean i just point out that my position as it relates to the doubling
01:17:48.720
of the work pool obviously the economy these sorts of things incredibly complex things i'm not pointing
01:17:54.740
to uh women's greater representation in labor as or in the workplace as the sole reason why there's you
01:18:03.960
know issues with you know wage stagnation and pushing wages down i mean i would say that's one of the
01:18:09.820
major precipitating factors though but obviously there's other you know there's a bunch of other
01:18:14.920
things at play various social changes there's um you know there's globalization these sorts of things
01:18:23.200
uh there's a immigration there's a whole bunch of reasons uh as it relates to uh the sort of current
01:18:30.820
economic situation we find ourselves in but that's certainly one of the i guess primary originators
01:18:37.500
of the decline of i i suppose men's ability to engage in traditional relationship dynamics
01:18:43.260
where they can provide for the entire household on just their income so just wanted to clarify there
01:18:50.800
i'm not placing all the blame on sort of the liberalization of women entering the workplace
01:18:56.140
but i mean that is a sort of unexpected consequence of you know opening the floodgates
01:19:03.920
so to speak to just basically doubling the labor pool by saying okay women go ahead be a boss babe
01:19:09.760
yeah and i can completely understand that but i do definitely think that saying the solution is to
01:19:15.260
not encourage women to work that's the equivalent of saying we should tell men not to work well
01:19:19.100
again i don't have an issue with it but there's there's been a sort of a reversal where
01:19:25.120
there's counter narratives and counter messaging against women who do do want to pursue a more
01:19:35.760
traditional dynamic so it's like no you have to go to college and you have to have a career wait
01:19:43.780
until your 30s wait until your mid 30s your late 20s before you get married and settle down uh this is
01:19:51.060
kind of is going to be pretty disastrous i think um and i don't think it's a great way to uh set up
01:19:59.260
society yeah we can acknowledge that there are extremists all around i don't think it's but hold on
01:20:04.160
i don't think it's the extremist like feminist position that women should uh like it's the mainstream
01:20:13.080
feminist position of go to college focus on your career then focus on family and children
01:20:20.420
later and then also ship your kids off to daycare put them in the hands of total strangers who might
01:20:29.040
abuse your kids or is not going to give them the same attention that uh you know a mother would
01:20:36.100
and you know give it to some minimum wage worker they make 20 an hour or whatever it is
01:20:41.420
and that's the whole child care thing does make sense to me okay so let's say you're both of you have
01:20:48.460
an income fucking child care is insanely expensive maybe the all of the this isn't the case all the
01:20:55.020
time but you're gonna have a woman work and then 75 percent of her earnings are gonna go to child
01:21:00.980
care that's to me that's just really stupid sure but i i mean again i do think that the reason that's
01:21:08.820
the mainstream position is because like radical opinions get pushed out that's like what social
01:21:14.100
media does you know people react people engage with it what's the radical position that women have
01:21:18.620
to go to work that women can't stay at home you know like i i do definitely think that there is a
01:21:23.640
positive side to the encouragement purely because it is kind of ingrained in us that women shouldn't
01:21:28.500
be going to work so when you like do push for the other end of that obviously not to an extreme
01:21:33.360
point because again i think it's very important everyone is doing what's true to them but i do think
01:21:37.920
that it is necessary to really make an emphasis on the fact that you should do whatever you'd like
01:21:42.880
the other option is still an option you know and i think that's different than encouraging one way or
01:21:47.120
another rather than to just emphasize choice but i would like to comment on the child care thing
01:21:51.500
because i am a nanny and i mean the family i work for i can't say much they are wonderful parents
01:21:58.820
the fact that they need someone to watch their children i mean they they know me very well they
01:22:04.180
screen me very well i treat those children like they're my own you know and i think that it is
01:22:08.460
heartbreaking that they can't spend that time with their kids i know that they would love to
01:22:11.700
is the wealthy family uh i'm honestly not too sure on their finances well you said nanny right so
01:22:18.400
obviously there's different levels of of child care right so i assume like it's just you you go
01:22:24.060
to their house you take care of the kids so the mom's at away at work there are two nannies um we
01:22:29.540
switch off days so we'll like pick them up from school take them to their activities hang out with
01:22:32.860
them at home like is the mom still at home no okay so she goes off to work yes the dad goes off to
01:22:38.120
work yes okay so that's sort of that's a bit of a higher level of child care than say what most people
01:22:47.420
might do is like drop them off at a daycare or a group dynamic and i i mean i do believe that it's
01:22:56.000
heartbreaking that people have to do that i think that it's it is quite rare that you know uh they
01:23:02.800
don't need the income and people are just independently choosing to not be with their
01:23:06.880
children um i think that it's just as sad that the man can't spend that time at home
01:23:11.440
i think that on the counter over here both parents should i do like if the world were perfect right
01:23:18.280
both parents want to spend all that time with their kids raising them um but if both parents have to be
01:23:23.060
at work for their own independent reasons then that's a result of a much bigger problem
01:23:26.700
sorry guys stuff no worries um sorry i was honestly not listening no worries some i mean the
01:23:39.380
behind the scenes stuff the summary of it just repeat yeah of course um i just generally believe
01:23:45.680
that it's very rare that a parent willingly doesn't want to spend that time with their kids
01:23:49.440
i think that if you have children they should always be your first priority above your career no
01:23:53.420
matter who you are because that's a life in your hands and i think that there are a lot of
01:23:58.400
circumstances where both parents have to be out and have to send their kids to daycare because they
01:24:02.660
don't have other choices right they don't have other choices choices they might have if the current
01:24:08.480
social climate was more conducive to being able to support a family on one income in this case the
01:24:14.260
husband's income but otherwise i mean sure but most women are absolutely not okay with that kind of
01:24:21.080
dynamic so i guess my question to you is ultimately though regardless of the level of care whether
01:24:27.460
it's like you send your kid to some shoddy daycare and there's like five kids to one person i don't
01:24:33.460
know what the typical numbers are but there's like one person who's like a fucking teenager watching
01:24:38.480
10 kids or whatever it is or there's nannies which would indicate that this is perhaps like
01:24:44.040
a bit wealthier of a family but both parents are still working ultimately though do you think the
01:24:49.360
child is going to receive better care from their mother or from the hired hand
01:24:55.580
from one of their parents their father or their mother okay ideally both that would but that would
01:25:01.680
be the optimum thing for society wouldn't it to have a parent at home instead of like a nanny
01:25:07.000
um i my concern isn't with the well-being of society we don't currently you don't concern
01:25:12.280
yourself with the well-being of course i do but i don't think that people having children right
01:25:15.760
now is necessary for society i don't think we're uh in like desperate need of people reproducing
01:25:20.360
like obviously sure about that people are still going to i don't like the population isn't declining
01:25:24.860
the there is okay yes i'm sorry it is the population collapse sure and things are going to be
01:25:30.440
especially in well even in the united states but if you look at certain like uh what is it southeast
01:25:36.500
asian countries you look at japan you look at korea they're going to have massive issues because
01:25:41.100
their population's collapsing uh there's going to be massive issues with like you're going to have
01:25:45.880
a bunch of elderly people who's going to be there to like look after them there's going to be a lot
01:25:49.800
of issues coming in 10 20 30 years sure but i do think that in this specific circumstance if we're
01:25:56.600
talking like oh for the well-being of society we need to keep people out of the workforce so that
01:26:02.180
you know someone can stay at home with the children right that is then just back to the argument
01:26:07.460
that women shouldn't be in the workforce like if you want to make an argument that you think we need
01:26:12.380
to like i i don't know what another example here would be just something along the lines of like
01:26:17.360
requiring one stay-at-home parent or something like that's a different thing than saying women
01:26:22.480
specifically don't belong in the workforce so i don't make i'm not making any prescriptions on this
01:26:27.640
really i'm i'm uh more so looking at it descriptively i'm just looking at what happened
01:26:37.340
what's happening and i'm look i'm just describing what's happening i'm not actually making any
01:26:42.240
prescriptions as to well we should bar women that's not my position at all but it does seem
01:26:47.920
again i guess my question is to reiterate do you think in terms of what's best for the children
01:26:54.140
do you think children are going to receive better care from their own mother or better care from
01:26:58.740
like a hired helper obviously from their mother but i i do also think that the wording here is
01:27:03.680
misleading what about from their father why doesn't the father stay home sure i would agree that the
01:27:09.520
father would be more capable of providing uh that than like a hired nanny whether it's whether
01:27:17.600
the nanny's a man or a woman but then we would get into a territory of even liberal i would argue
01:27:25.000
even liberal feminist women absolutely would refuse to engage in any sort of relationship dynamic
01:27:31.080
where the man is solely financially dependent on the woman i think that that is a person-to-person
01:27:37.500
basis i know for a fact that if i were if i personally were capable of providing for a family
01:27:44.200
like obviously i would love to spend time with my children right but if i had a husband who his
01:27:48.500
dream was to be a stay-at-home husband that's not my dream that's not my aspiration i would be
01:27:53.320
comfortable providing for someone i personally don't want children so i would never have them
01:27:56.980
because that's an unfair position to put children in but say that i had a husband who had a career
01:28:01.260
that didn't make a lot of money that had a career that took time to get to that for whatever reason
01:28:06.380
couldn't provide if i loved this person and i knew that their intention was not to take advantage of me i
01:28:11.180
would have no problem being the sole provider so just to be clear you i understand you don't want
01:28:17.340
children you would be totally fine totally fine dating a guy who so you're paying all the rent
01:28:24.620
you're paying for groceries not just your own but you'd be paying more money to be paying for his food
01:28:32.180
his expenses etc obviously there are exceptions like i think that if it's just because you know
01:28:36.780
he simply doesn't want to contribute he doesn't care enough to contribute yeah um things like that
01:28:41.860
well that's just not personally someone i want to be with because i don't think that that's a nice
01:28:45.700
human being but if it's well okay so then that would preclude men who are even open to that kind of
01:28:51.460
dynamic that would preclude them from even you who seems very uh you know more liberal on these sorts
01:28:58.720
of things so if even a liberal person wouldn't date a man who wants to just be a stay-at-home husband
01:29:04.000
then what hope is there for any men who have this so so your argument is kind of irrelevant this idea
01:29:09.800
of well i think yeah well what about the man who wants to stay home okay even i guess my position here
01:29:17.660
is let's say there is a man who wants to stay home most women are not even liberal feminist women
01:29:25.140
are not gonna they might go 50 50 they're not going to be okay with i'll i'll provide for the man
01:29:32.280
sure but i do need to jump in that a stay-at-home husband is very different than what i'm talking
01:29:36.600
about a stay-at-home husband has duties that's cooking that's cleaning that's if there's children
01:29:40.740
child care that is his own thing i'm talking about if a man simply does not want to contribute to a
01:29:46.120
relationship then i think that that is bad the same way i think if a woman doesn't want to contribute
01:29:50.260
in any way that is bad i think a relationship is 50 50 and that doesn't always look like money
01:29:54.520
that can look like effort interesting you look like you're something to say no okay like i know
01:30:01.660
a lot of liberal women like i i am definitely have trended more conservatively due to my religious
01:30:10.220
beliefs but like um i know many many liberal females and i don't know anybody who would be okay
01:30:19.140
with a stay-at-home husband it or being okay with a man not contributing or taking care of her and the
01:30:30.840
kids her and or the kids because if they don't have kids not one person i don't even like and and i think
01:30:39.000
if you it sounds good on paper like it sounds like oh yeah well if if you want me to stay home then
01:30:46.140
then i should be able to work but if you wanted to stay home that'd be fine too like it it sounds
01:30:51.180
great like what you do whatever you want to do but if you talk to women like most women are not
01:30:59.860
going to be okay supporting a man who is fine staying at home and and cleaning the house and and
01:31:08.420
cooking her meals like i don't know maybe i just don't know them maybe i just don't know them i don't
01:31:13.420
know and and haven't met them on a regular basis sure i mean you know i surely can't speak for
01:31:20.260
every woman i'm not trying to i know i personally can very confidently say that doesn't bother me i
01:31:25.600
don't think that money plays a role in a relationship i think that if you are money is the number one
01:31:32.540
reason for divorce yeah and i think literally so money 100 i think it shouldn't sorry plays a role
01:31:39.540
in i think relationships marriages it's the number one sex children those are the three breakers money
01:31:46.880
sex child yep yep and and money is is most likely number one i just personally i mean like i i can
01:31:55.200
understand that everyone is different i can't speak for anyone but myself for me i do not care if a man
01:32:00.600
is making money i care that he is putting in effort if it comes to a situation where i'm not financially
01:32:05.580
capable of supporting him then i won't he is responsible for supporting himself at the end of
01:32:09.500
the day but if i love someone and they are supporting me in other ways that aren't financial
01:32:13.080
and i'm capable of that then i would love to you know if we're both putting in what we're capable of
01:32:17.700
putting in i do have like a i guess it's a question some narrative that i've seen a lot lately is like
01:32:24.480
women wanting to go back to the soft life and i feel like a lot of what they are describing as the soft
01:32:32.620
life is the life that we are fighting against almost like that very woman forward you know
01:32:40.560
shoddy don't need no man type like i feel like that's largely what we are proposing but then you
01:32:47.640
have so many women then i'm seeing this with my own eyes whether it's on social media or conversations
01:32:54.000
or whatever that they're proposing this soft life in the soft life that they're wanting is kind of what
01:33:00.000
they're fighting against um and that's really interesting to me because there are quite quite
01:33:05.940
a few of those men women are like you know he needs to pay for my nails he needs to pay for my hair he
01:33:11.140
needs to pay for this he needs to pay for this he needs to pay for this but then it's like when we're
01:33:16.180
trying to move towards this life that we're fighting against which is like i guess like he would say
01:33:22.440
the nuclear family or whatever or like traditions um it's like a double standard almost and i don't know
01:33:28.840
like what would you guys consider the soft life or does that make sense what i'm saying like yeah
01:33:33.640
absolutely it's kind of like a double standard it's a huge movement and i think it really boils down to
01:33:38.900
women just want the choice to be able to do either or or maybe have both i think it comes out but i think
01:33:45.520
there's the shortage where where can you find those men that's what i'm seeing being the overwhelming
01:33:51.200
you know issue where do you find them and the smash and grab of shara seven
01:33:56.400
and influencers like that promoting you know the smash and grab and take them for their money
01:34:01.520
that's wrong even uh sadia psychology right we have sadia coming out last week that she was like
01:34:08.300
the side chick type thing are you guys familiar with what i'm talking about she's been advising women
01:34:13.600
and you know charging like all this money so the bottom line is the system's broken something has to
01:34:19.480
give the dating apps aren't working there's a lot of toxicity on both sides everybody's upset
01:34:24.520
people are saying we have to be more in person and everything's really broken right now well i think
01:34:29.140
women have to decide what they want because like so for so long we were like like he said i want to be
01:34:36.660
a boss babe i want to go out and have my career and do this and do that and now we have a generation
01:34:41.820
of women who we told that that was going to make you happy and that was going to make you fulfilled
01:34:47.940
and it has not and now we're like okay i want the soft life okay where where are those men at now now
01:34:54.600
you're trying to use the men that you shamed for wanting you to stay home now you're trying to use
01:35:00.040
them for their money so that they can now give you a soft life that you said you didn't want
01:35:03.680
like women which one which one we do we want so i'd like to chime in if uh of course i personally i
01:35:11.520
mean we can't generalize women like that i'm sure the women who you know wanted careers are still
01:35:16.080
pursuing them some changed some people changed they learn different things they experience
01:35:19.860
different things the women who want that kind of soft life you know that's completely up to them
01:35:24.540
women as a whole generally as far as i'm aware of just want to be able to pursue what they want to
01:35:30.140
pursue and all women want to pursue different things they just want all of those options open
01:35:34.500
i also do think that there is definitely a very strange thing about the concept of the soft life i
01:35:40.900
think that this idea that men have to financially provide and men have to like pamper women is
01:35:45.960
bizarre i don't i don't think that that should be anyone's role in a relationship if you're capable
01:35:50.660
of pampering your partner and you want to that's a show of affection that's very kind but i think that
01:35:54.960
the expectation that men have to be rich and men have to provide and men have to like do all this
01:36:00.040
stuff it's just as detrimental as the idea that women have to stay home unpopular opinion i can say
01:36:05.120
is almost 53 mother of two daughters 20 and 14 almost 14 um you cannot have it all you cannot
01:36:13.040
and there's going to be a give on one one way or another you simply cannot you can't not have daycare
01:36:20.760
you can't have the career be the stay-at-home it's something it's going to give i've just i've never
01:36:25.140
seen it done and i've i've seen it done i've not seen it done successfully you can't have it all
01:36:30.660
i was going to say i think it goes all the way back to what you were saying like these natural
01:36:35.100
proclivities that we have as men and women in my personal belief that's how god designed us and
01:36:41.920
that's why they naturally fall that way and the second that we try to fight against them and make
01:36:46.220
them the opposites of what we were naturally designed that's where the issue comes in and i
01:36:50.640
think that's what's happening here well what she's gonna say is she's an atheist and she doesn't
01:36:55.560
believe in god yeah i mean so she rejects so give her a secular argument oh you know me so well
01:37:01.880
so can can you base your argumentation on this not from a biblical perspective
01:37:11.140
but like a secular one for her sake uh well because she she would just say well i don't
01:37:21.760
adhere to your worldview i'm not christian i'm i don't believe in god i don't believe in the bible
01:37:26.400
so she would just outright reject your basis your foundation for for that my work here is done he's
01:37:34.960
been radicalized well that's not he just knows your world i don't think he agrees with it yeah
01:37:40.920
oh no no i would like to say to you i i think that faith like even if i personally uh am not religious
01:37:46.280
i think it's an incredible thing to have in someone's life i think it's great for people
01:37:49.420
um i think that you know again to each their own and if that's the way that you live your life then
01:37:54.140
that's awesome if it's good for you it's good for you um so you know i'm not going to argue how you
01:37:58.920
what you want to pursue whether it's based off the bible or based off anything else um i think that is
01:38:03.900
totally within your right yeah i i mean i i agree with that in that like we're going to disagree
01:38:10.080
because of different world views but at the end of the day like god gave everyone free will and your
01:38:15.660
free will is to not believe in him so like i what am i who am i to get mad at that um yeah but a
01:38:22.400
secular argument i my worldview is so is so that i agree with you right i agree that men and women
01:38:31.100
are wired the way that they're wired because they were created to be so but i do think that even if
01:38:36.400
you ask men who do not necessarily hold a christian worldview um do do they want a woman who respects
01:38:46.400
them and treats them like a man and would treat them like the head of the household if they had that
01:38:53.180
option and would if they could provide for their family would they enjoy a woman who was not weak
01:39:02.360
but was willing to follow their lead i think if you asked the majority of men that question
01:39:08.740
i think they would say yes and just from a purely worldview of what men want and what men desire in
01:39:17.500
relationships and i think we're hearing this a lot in if you specifically ask men they're like yes i want
01:39:26.160
to be respected i want i would like to be the head of the household now whether they are willing or
01:39:31.340
capable to step up and become the men that they have to do to be so you know that is a whole different
01:39:37.700
thing but yeah i think if you talk to them about their desires i think a lot of men would naturally
01:39:43.960
say yeah in a perfect world i would desire that yeah i would add to that and say the same for women
01:39:52.020
if we're being honest not saying what we want to like you know say you know outwardly but if we
01:40:00.580
were being honest to our cores i think there's not one woman who wouldn't want to be loved and
01:40:06.180
cherished and honored by one man who is actually leading them and their family in a positive
01:40:12.720
direction and i have enough emotional empathy to understand everybody comes from different walks
01:40:17.740
some people have dealt with abuse as kids some people dealt with divorced parents some people never
01:40:22.580
had examples of relationships so there are all these different traumas and stuff that can make us
01:40:27.600
think a certain way but if we're thinking to our core even if you want to reject it because of
01:40:33.560
your pain every woman i think wants to be loved and cherished and chosen every single day by one
01:40:41.540
person but a lot of times it's not that way yeah it's not the example that we get so then we come up
01:40:48.740
with all these things of like i don't need no man like i would rather have this way i would rather have
01:40:52.860
this and i think that's where the extremes come in but like i agree i agree with that makes sense i
01:40:58.620
completely agree too yeah we have a chat here from chef del pickles oops i made a family f12
01:41:04.960
this is in response to uh you uh sorry you in the corner there with the frog tattoo oops i made a
01:41:12.940
family f12 what f12 is uh what i don't understand everything okay police i don't know what that
01:41:19.960
was there a slip no no no oh okay i thought i missed i'm sorry i'm like what i mean i want to get
01:41:26.980
into a couple things here uh i guess just to finish this off really quick just show of hands
01:41:31.700
who here considers themselves more liberal liberal politically really just you wow raise them high
01:41:39.560
be proud what the fuck well i mean liberal is a weird term so honestly do you prefer leftist yeah
01:41:45.040
okay you're leftist okay i'm happy now yeah well what how would you how would you categorize yourself
01:41:52.060
uh progressive are you we've established i'm anti-labels as a whole you know who i am i'm not
01:41:58.560
are you a tanky i don't even know what that means are you a communist are we gonna argue econ now
01:42:05.300
um i i do think that economics is something that i'm just not like well versed enough to
01:42:13.420
make a strong claim i mean i'm not really much of an arguer on that front either but are you a
01:42:17.960
communist i i truly i don't think i'm educated enough to back up a point i make so i'm not going
01:42:22.560
to make one well i'm not asking you to make a point but are you a communist um if we're going off
01:42:29.220
how we believe how we believe it's okay no i'm definitely not a capitalist i'll tell you that so
01:42:34.220
you're anti-capitalist yes okay not just not a capitalist you're anti-capitalist yes okay are you
01:42:40.720
socialist i'm not gonna i'm not gonna label myself there i'm not confident enough to truly that's fine
01:42:47.000
but how about this would you prefer living under an economic system if you had to pick between one
01:42:52.140
or two would you prefer capitalism or would you prefer socialism see again this isn't i i don't know
01:42:58.220
what a socialist society would look like in practice i don't know right capitalism uh in theory
01:43:04.100
i i think socialist but like i truly don't know and then would you prefer living under a capitalist
01:43:09.840
society or a communist society i'm sorry i got a gasp um you can only pick one i was gonna say both
01:43:19.000
um you know i really confidently want to say communist okay um again not something i can back
01:43:28.600
up so don't ask me about it okay girl i'm a writing and lit major i don't know i mean you seem you seem
01:43:36.020
pretty well versed on in some of these other issues so thanks i think so too uh you're so funny
01:43:42.640
under what i mean i guess you don't have any sense of what your utopian society would look like
01:43:52.340
my utopian society is i alone input on an island with all the skills i need to survive and i have
01:43:58.740
my little island that's by yourself uh you know like well it gets complicated if i start asking for
01:44:06.120
friends but like i do want some friends um ideally i i would you know like harry potter magic type would be
01:44:12.040
really cool give me a wand okay yeah here's what we're gonna do i'll give you one year to build up
01:44:20.200
some of these survival skills and i will i will finance you living alone on a deserted island yeah
01:44:26.960
deserted island for well there's not much to finance besides right because will you will you
01:44:34.520
i will give you a singular pocket knife awesome from amazon okay will you finance my trip back when
01:44:43.960
i inevitably regret it uh well yeah as long as you know okay cool cool then we're good pick you up yeah
01:44:50.240
send me off yeah i need to get the urge out of my system you know yeah yeah but i mean um
01:44:55.120
you you do and we'll film it too i'm sorry we'll film the whole thing oh okay cool so yeah the the film
01:45:02.760
crew will be back there eating you know awesome oreos and these sorts of things but you i have
01:45:07.980
one oreo it'll be like naked and afraid and it'll be like survivor girl put me on survivor has like a
01:45:13.360
few people just a bit just a bit ignore you but anyways um uh let's see here i did want to okay so
01:45:20.920
just you and you are liberal or left left leaning anybody left leaning i'm i'm liberal left leaning okay
01:45:29.000
just you two the rest of you are maga trump supporters or no no no no so what are i'm like
01:45:35.380
are you republican democrat i don't know i would wait leave yeah keep on it nick keep on i'm sorry i
01:45:42.620
would lean more i'm gonna say moderate but grew up very conservative republican and no one said maga
01:45:49.120
no one brought maga into this when it does not republican or conservative does not have to be
01:45:54.760
current republican president is donald trump so i mean he's but but these are two very those are
01:45:59.700
very sure i agree sure i suppose you could be republican and not be a trump supporter that's
01:46:04.060
fine uh also maga absolutely not i've been a registered republican since i was 18 and i'm still
01:46:13.660
right wing um but kind of like libertarian i see yeah okay um i have a couple other things i want
01:46:23.060
to get into but i'm gonna wait until she's back we're gonna get into oops hold on uh one sec
01:46:30.520
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01:46:35.160
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01:47:58.260
obviously um hopefully in in good taste um oh okay no i was reading the thing the chat was crazy
01:48:10.180
what did it say i kind of want to see it again can you like put it back no look they're below the
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threshold just okay um i want to ask the panel how do you feel about what happened to charlie kirk
01:48:23.500
starting with you actually starting with you hey um okay i personally am never going to celebrate
01:48:35.840
anyone's death ever um especially the gun violence especially to something so preventable
01:48:41.640
i can understand where this feeling of relief is coming from though what do you mean relief can you
01:48:49.840
i i do think that there is definitely a very strong sense on the internet of people um being
01:48:56.220
relieved in their own individual ways some tasteful some not tasteful um i think that people can have
01:49:01.640
their own opinions on whether or not he deserved to die again i personally don't think that any
01:49:07.040
individual should ever be making a claim over whether or not someone deserves to live or not i think
01:49:11.100
that's a slippery slope i think none of us have that kind of jurisdiction um but i i absolutely
01:49:16.380
i mean i never agreed with him i think that he was hateful i i think that he um caused i mean he just
01:49:28.360
really did encourage hate among people um and again no one deserves to die for that but when it comes to
01:49:37.400
people online coming off as very relieved coming off as like almost sadistic over it um i think that it
01:49:43.640
is you know this response brought on by a lot of years of resentment and rage watching this man like
01:49:50.060
uh you know say that gun violence is warranted say that gun violence is a necessary cost to have guns
01:49:56.580
like he died on the hill that he stood on and that is still tragic that is still awful
01:50:01.380
do you want to elaborate any further or is that the bulk of it um i'll i mean i can hold on before i
01:50:09.560
let people jump in on this i need to get everybody's take here oh yeah um okay so just a few clarifying
01:50:16.940
things you said he was hateful can you explain how uh yeah i mean a lot of his debates were not in
01:50:26.520
good faith uh this isn't i mean this is a um a quite a minor example but i mean he did definitely trap
01:50:31.760
people into corners he did make them look stupid he used misleading wording um his goal online as much
01:50:38.160
as he the question was how he was hateful so uh to be clear i would contest your accusations that he
01:50:44.920
was bad faith or he was misleading or using certain words or whatever um even if that was the case though
01:50:51.360
why would that be hateful well i think he also backed a lot of hateful points i such as um i mean
01:50:58.140
as far as i'm aware of he was very anti um abortion he was very anti-gay marriage um he i'm actually
01:51:07.860
not sure on his position on on the gay marriage thing but yeah we could probably he was he was
01:51:13.180
anti-abortion okay the gay marriage one i could probably use a fact check i'm not that up to date
01:51:17.120
on his uh i haven't looked into it recently i would imagine he's i don't he so i my understanding of his
01:51:23.620
position he he doesn't have any issue with gay people but given that he's a christian i suspect he
01:51:31.320
would have some objections to gay marriage so we'll have i i have absolutely i i know for a fact
01:51:36.220
that i have seen clips of him saying that it's like uh whether unnatural or wrong or whatever i
01:51:41.120
don't know if he backed it being illegal i can't yeah that's that's fairly minor in terms of well
01:51:47.000
some i'm sure you object to some of his other positions more what are the other hateful things
01:51:51.560
um honestly my main one is uh the abortion i i guess any anything else was there racism sexism
01:51:59.160
anything again i'm not that up to date on his takes i wouldn't like the abortion component was
01:52:03.220
the yeah i wouldn't like to make any false claims even if i believe that might be true i don't
01:52:07.560
i can't yeah so you understand why these people might be rejoicing or happy because
01:52:14.640
well his other takes but one such take that might justify these people people's reactions
01:52:21.820
is his anti-abortion position yes well then you correspondingly then you must be okay
01:52:30.020
also with people who have and this is this is something that has happened in the past when for
01:52:36.900
example abortion clinics have been targeted in a violent way you would you disavow the violence but
01:52:42.920
you would understand why somebody would target an abortion clinic uh what do you mean well you're
01:52:50.180
you're sort of doing this justification for uh the assassination of charlie kirk i do not just
01:52:58.440
violence in any capacity well you're kind of roundabout saying well he didn't deserve to die
01:53:03.860
but you can understand why other people are happy about it so then you would have no issue with
01:53:09.580
when abortion clinics have been targeted by anti-abortionists you would then you you would
01:53:16.840
be okay if somebody was uh okay with somebody targeting well i would like to to first off
01:53:24.540
reiterate i'm not making any claim on whether or not he deserved it either way i don't think i have
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any right to i don't that is none of my business right but you're you're playing cover for the people
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who are while they themselves didn't engage in do i specific act of violence you're saying well i kind
01:53:40.100
of get why these people are enjoying or rejoicing in his death sure do i personally think that it is
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right to rejoice in it no do i understand that people are not always the most rational when they're
01:53:54.960
emotional yes this is a man who intentionally evoked reaction for clips for views he was definitely i mean
01:54:02.860
like the way that he debated was to get clips you know um and it worked it people had very strong
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opinions on him and that wouldn't justify no murder but i do not i'm not i'm anti-violence in all
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capacities i guess my confusion is especially and i understand your position and i i understand that
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you're not you don't think he deserved to be assassinated my issue though is you are playing
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cover for the people who are rejoicing in his assassination saying you to some degree understand
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why they would act that way i don't and you know look i understand that people have differences of
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political opinion and that you might strongly dislike somebody you might despise them you might even hate
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them but to me it would never like i don't know why there needs to be a but well i don't know why even
01:54:58.100
people on the left side there needs to be a but well he should he didn't deserve to die but he was bad
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in all these ways why can't we just leave it at what happened was wrong he didn't deserve to die
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and then look i i'm fine with people having objections to his positions and worldviews you're fair to it's fair
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to criticize those things but when we're having a conversation about his assassination and it's followed by
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a but it seems like it's getting a bit into the territory of creating a sort of smuggled in
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justification even if not for the assassination itself the sort of clearly and i there's no other
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word like it's clearly i i would categorize it as evil to even if you completely disagree with someone
01:55:50.860
entirely to rejoice in somebody's death and some of the things i've seen online maybe you've seen them
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are disgusting completely disgusting sure so um i'm gonna jump to a very extreme example here
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um and i i do want to make it clear beforehand and this will make sense once i pose my question
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i am not in any way comparing charlie kirk to hitler bear with me on this when hitler died do you
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think people rejoiced yeah sure yes i again as much as i personally like can stand by i stand by the
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fact that we should not be claiming who deserves to live or die we should not be rejoicing death in
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any sense i think that when someone has such a profound impact on people emotionally when someone
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is actively trying to enact policies that will harm people that will end people's lives because abortion
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does kill um or anti-abortion policies do kill i oh you said it right the first time abortion kills
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you said it right the first time anti-abortion policies do kill and on that note i think that when
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people see someone who is affecting their lives in such a heavy way and trying so hard to harm them
01:57:07.820
personally they obviously are going to have an emotional response to it could i just ask like do
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you have a better example other than hitler because hitler has i know it's very extreme i just it's very
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extreme to the point because charlie kirk is nothing like it well of course my opinion isn't saying that
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they're like in any way similar or on similar levels of like evil or anything you can't even use that
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example i'm just curious why why invoke that because i'm sure we we would acknowledge that um
01:57:39.640
there there is a threshold right so is your position like let's just cut to the chase is your position
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that charlie kirk was beyond the threshold of justified rejoicing in his death because of his
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political beliefs or whatever i personally do believe so i i can't i don't think that it's rational i don't
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think it's reasonable i don't think it's humane but i think that if someone has an emotional response
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like that it the way or what he had done would evoke emotional responses like that from people
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whether or not it's yeah well i i think there's a couple different thresholds here so
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i can understand look i i think if there's a person who you hate and they die you know maybe
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they have a personal feeling perhaps this is the social media world we live in um even then i i would
01:58:37.780
sort of object to a even a private individual internal rejoice rejoicing when when someone dies i do
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think that that is a bit malevolent and evil but um to publish it is like a a much higher threshold to
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publish it and to just be so uh i can't even like some it's not just i'm glad this happened then like
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i've seen clips of people saying why stop there what about i saw this this girl who was uh she was
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saying she was saying that it should have been the wife and kids too yep that's disgusting right i
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think that is disgusting but i guess my question here is um
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you mentioned the slippery slope so what then like i guess you would be if we were to change like the
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political alignment let's say and you know i was trying to think like who on the left side or the
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democrat side would be on charlie kirk's level i don't actually think there's a lot of left-leaning
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influencers that are on his level i mean like if i was thinking like me not even hasan is not on
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uh kirk's level you know who hasan piker is yes um and just to be clear don't don't think anybody
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should but i was thinking if like somebody on the other side of the political aisle was assassinated
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like would you also go to the defense of say like republicans or conservatives who are publicly
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rejoicing and saying like despicable statements because like from their perspective like logically
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wouldn't it follow that well because of the disagreements on politics that they're justified
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and rejoicing well see here's where it gets complicated because i don't think that people
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have a right to rejoice over disagreements like right i don't think that people necessarily
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are rejoicing over charlie kirk's death because they disagreed with him i think it's because he
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genuinely was proposing policies that were harming people he was actively advocating for things that
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yes no no go on well so you get my point but you're saying harm right yes but from your
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perspective right exactly but from from the other perspective they would say well these pro-choicers
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if they're okay the the pro-choice position is that this is murder when you get an abortion you're
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murdering an unborn child so from their perspective that's harm being done so from their perspective you
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must i know you don't agree with that but you would have to i guess to logically be consistent if you're
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i mean otherwise i guess you could just say well i don't agree with their worldview therefore
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they're not justified in their you know rejoicing in like a left-wing politician or you know whoever
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speaker political activist being assassinated but if their worldview is genuinely that abortion is murder
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like you it would be fair then for them to rejoice yes so okay then you'll be fine with like abortion
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clinics being no from my personal perspective obviously i don't understand it i can't put
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myself in that headspace because that's not what i view it as if someone genuinely believes that babies
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are being murdered and they assassinate someone to stop that from happening i can understand people
02:02:07.880
being happy about that if they genuinely believe babies are being murdered i don't so i can't get into
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that headspace i can't get behind it but with such a strong emotion like that i i get it but but so i
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can i can tell you this there there are political positions on the left i lean more conservative
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right i'm not like full-blown conservative but i lean like mostly pretty strongly conservative
02:02:29.320
there are people who i have fundamental disagreements with on politics and so forth and there are some
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positions that i think are really hard that left left leaning positions leftist positions liberal
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positions uh democrat positions that are really harmful to society they cause harm but because somebody
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advocated for these positions or voted for whatever it is even if a political opponent of mine was
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assassinated i would never rejoice i would condemn and disavow anybody on my side who did rejoice
02:03:08.440
even if this person was a political opponent a very strong one that's kind of the difference here
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so is i don't think even though there's differences of political opinion i don't want to see it
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happening on my side i don't want to see it happening on the other side yeah i am uh i have one thing to
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say on that and i want to bring the attention more over here except i've been leaving you waiting um
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yeah i personally i'm on the same page i'm not about to go and rejoice over anyone's death no matter what
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um especially because i think when it comes to gun violence uh to rejoice in any death from gun violence
02:03:46.980
is to rejoice in gun violence um and i think that that is disgusting i think that gun violence is
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completely avoidable um and one of the like uh just it is should be condemned in all matters
02:04:02.000
on that note i do think that there is a do you do you believe that there is like a threshold of
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evil you can cross to where it's warranted for people to have a reaction such as the reaction
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they're having to charlie kirk whether or not you think he was there or not do you think that that
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level can be reached yeah i think that there are genuinely people who are monsters and uh yes but i
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don't believe charlie kirk passed that threshold okay i can understand that like for example you
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you brought up you invoked hitler for i i mean okay a bit extreme i understand well yeah but i mean
02:04:37.100
like this so uh hitler participated like there were war crimes war crimes he comes so but yes but when
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you're you're engaged in and conducting uh war crimes then the ultimate punishment for that
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would be death so point out so like and we were this is wartime too this is a belligerent nation
02:05:04.380
the united states was opposed to the axis powers so and hitler was the leader of germany so yeah
02:05:13.540
typically when you're you're having an actual physical war with somebody you're trying to actually
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like take out the leadership yes so there would there's actually like legal justification wartime
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justification for attempting to kill like commanders leaders of the opposing military because you're
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at war in this case however i guess my question to you would be um has charlie kirk committed an act
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that the state would be able to commit capital punishment against him for any of his conduct
02:05:45.900
no and i but so hitler as a belligerent against the united states did commit certain acts during
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wartime that would warrant capital punishment yes my question here when when bringing that up is not to
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pose um like why is hitler deserving and um charlie kirk isn't i'm not posing that question i understand
02:06:10.020
the difference there the question i am posing is are there circumstances in which it's warranted regardless
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of what the circumstances are i'm just wondering if that's a threshold you can reach which you said
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yes so why then but so why then can't i say well the threshold for murder or assassinating somebody
02:06:26.960
is because they hurt my feelings a personal belief like that it's up to you my feelings got hurt see i
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think that's absurd but people hold their own individual beliefs the threshold lies where it lies
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for each individual we can't affect that or what about somebody um i don't know somebody called me
02:06:42.820
stupid sure yeah that's insane but we i think that them not legally uh the same like anyone can
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murder anyone we are really drastically overlooking the point that people are killing being killed being
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killed with guns specifically constantly in this country obsessively yeah and we only really care
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when it's a public face like this because it's fun to cause outrage i guess people love to argue
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right i think that frankly the most upsetting part of the entire charlie kirk situation
02:07:10.000
is the fact that people care so much more when it's his life than it is with anyone else's
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he was murdered live on television that's a huge difference in what you're just in front of his
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kids too and his wife and i i understand i would like to ask if i can bring big can i discuss palestine
02:07:30.200
here or should i not bring that up um i'm i mean i'm kind of okay with it i one one i know you want
02:07:37.140
to come in i i'm so sorry i keep interrupting you well so who's coming to this group for our
02:07:44.840
political appeal like how did we go from dating to this i know what happened this group's political
02:07:49.320
shut up it is it is a pretty big breaking news thing no no i agree with charlie kirk but our
02:07:58.740
deep political philosophy this group in case you couldn't tell i can't shut up well look we're not
02:08:04.680
going to it's a fair point we we will get back to dating soon but i did at least want to bring it
02:08:09.200
up because we'll talk about it briefly but we will move on soon um you wanted to bring up the one thing
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i would like to say on palestine i understand there's a difference between it being a broadcasted
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event with a given crowd right um people are being murdered in palestine in front of their entire
02:08:25.320
families in front of their friends in front of their communities constantly more than we are capable
02:08:29.820
of grasping these videos are being plastered all over the internet it it people are watching this
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shit for fun wait can i can i ask you a question yes this is going to be this is going to be very
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sort of roundabout thinking here but you said that charlie kirk espoused hateful rhetoric yes right
02:08:46.160
and that well i guess you say that that's not justification for assassination no but you can
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understand why people might i don't think that there is any justification oh okay never mind
02:08:56.400
but well okay so hateful rhetoric um you said that would you categorize you mentioned lgbtq marriage
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right yes and how charlie kirk opposed it yes my question to you is you cited this as a reason for
02:09:12.400
why you might understand why people are rejoicing at charlie kirk's death because he was anti-lgbtq
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would you say he's homophobic uh again i i truly am not that well versed on his specific takes
02:09:25.720
well he's against gay marriage so would you consider i would consider that to be homophobia okay so you
02:09:29.620
would hold on you would label him as a homophobe you would label him as anti-lgbtq you would say that
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he uh he's against gay marriage etc etc and you that was one of the primary justifications
02:09:41.220
for you saying well i understand why people are rejoicing you brought up palestinians
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do you think uh there are there's a good record of uh
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how do i want to frame this properly oh i'm excited do you think in palestine or other
02:10:03.240
muslim majority countries that there's robust uh laws that protect people who are gay no
02:10:12.360
do you think that for example in certain muslim countries muslim majority countries that
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they're uh oftentimes if somebody's found out to be gay that they're stoned to death
02:10:23.360
or that's a bit extreme that there are circumstances but we're if we're acting like that is the like
02:10:29.180
natural practice okay do you think they're pro-choice but hold on do you think again but you you would
02:10:36.880
you would have to agree the reality is in these muslim majority countries uh there's not a lot
02:10:42.480
of rights for uh the lgbt community sure if you want to wait but why i'm how do you reconcile then
02:10:49.980
how do you reconcile your defense of palestine which is clearly anti-lgbt but also seem to have
02:10:57.480
some issue with charlie kirk's anti-lgbt position well i mean first of all i'm anti-violence in any sense
02:11:05.020
that comes before any of my other beliefs i don't think homophobia is a reason to kill people
02:11:09.620
i you know i think that's pretty simple um but i also want to make it clear when i'm talking about
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palestine i'm not talking about the lawmakers i'm talking about the children i'm talking about the
02:11:19.780
mothers the fathers the wives the husbands the men the women all of them well hold on even the
02:11:23.920
citizenry you you do realize and it's not just the politicians in these islamic or muslim countries
02:11:30.820
it's the majority of the citizenry is quite anti-lgbt yes they live in a country where they
02:11:40.100
are encouraged to be i think that we specifically the u.s is relatively open and uh you know accepting
02:11:49.000
of different people because it's legal here because it's you know we can discuss it we can be in those
02:11:54.440
spaces we can have community like that if they're in not able to do those things then yeah i'd assume
02:11:59.840
the population's more homophobic that's fair i also want to put it out there i don't justify
02:12:05.280
violence in any circumstance can i ask you yes so just to be clear i think my personal position
02:12:11.320
any of these conflicts going on in the world whether it's israel palestine whether it's
02:12:16.260
ukraine russia or whether it's a political individual political assassinations
02:12:20.580
i'm not war is terrible yes i hate to see anybody whether i agree with them disagree with them
02:12:27.760
being killed uh civilians being killed whatever it is i don't like to see conflict i don't it's it's
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terrible right i guess my confusion is though if it is the case that palestinians overwhelmingly are
02:12:42.020
anti-lgbt then i and people if people are rejoicing because they're being killed would you have
02:12:51.400
objections to that they are children we're talking if people want to rejoice what about the adults
02:12:57.580
the adults if people are if people are happy that you know um people who are raised to be homophobic
02:13:03.600
are dying and who never really you know knew much else and who were raised in like a genocide right um
02:13:10.960
and whatever like never formed full political opinions if you want to judge their morality based
02:13:16.620
off of that go for it i personally care much more about the fact that this culture is being erased
02:13:22.720
that the land is being taken that like beyond count that just an insane amount of people are dying
02:13:28.860
and this is never discussed it's like it's discussed in the sense of some people online are like this is
02:13:35.580
bad and then with the exception of that people forget for years at a time
02:13:39.140
i would i would really like to bring it to you yeah go ahead okay yeah i'm pretty much done with my
02:13:45.980
thoughts okay so i you said something very valuable when you talked about we determine
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how much value a person's life is based on certain things in whose life whose death is more impactful
02:14:00.220
than i totally get rid of that career with that and i'm gonna come back to that but we i feel like we
02:14:05.040
also have this difference in value for human life because you talk about the children in palestine
02:14:12.620
we talk about having so much gun control because the children in all of these mass shootings
02:14:18.100
what is the difference between children that are being aborted my personal what i said okay so
02:14:26.700
that's the question i'm gonna pose yes but i just think that we have this like selective outrage
02:14:33.100
because i've seen some horrendous videos on social media lately from like clinics of just baby parts
02:14:41.820
in buckets and it's it's absolutely ridiculous but when it's a child sitting in a school
02:14:47.600
it's somehow different and that's what's the concern i think that's the big thing with charlie kirk
02:14:53.860
is that there's this value placed on life based on what color you are based on what your political
02:15:01.900
beliefs are based on how much money you have and there's this like this double standard going back
02:15:07.820
earlier there was this double standard and we don't have the same energy for all of the different
02:15:12.480
things so what would you say the difference is or even let's say people who um didn't have an issue
02:15:19.640
with the assassin didn't have the issue with the assassination of i think it was like democratic i don't
02:15:25.180
know what their exact position was but it was a couple i believe i don't know much about it
02:15:29.160
yes people don't have the same upset about that that they have had about mr kirk so it's what's the
02:15:38.280
explanation for that why are we as humans putting this like level of like okay this is different death
02:15:45.380
or this is different violence or this is different when this these children and it's different when
02:15:50.880
it's these children like why do you think that is and and as someone who i assume is pro-abortion
02:15:55.620
yes okay i'm i'm pro-choice so what's the difference between the children in palestine
02:16:02.400
children in schools or children being taken because either way they're young lives i i do
02:16:07.440
completely understand where you're coming from with that i personally um am not going to get onto
02:16:12.380
the argument of whether or not abortion is murder that is not my abortion take the reason that i am
02:16:16.600
pro-choice that taking a life is murder well let me explain my take real quick and then i'll yeah we'll
02:16:23.900
get into that well you know what i'm actually going to jump in here just because it is getting a little
02:16:29.020
bit away from the actual topic at hand because now we're just getting into like a separate abortion
02:16:35.820
conversation which we've already kind of derailed a little bit too much as it is i have some chats
02:16:40.480
coming through hey and well met lol paladins donated two hundred dollars and two cents yo where you
02:16:47.140
been she's so indoctrinated it's sad the men the women and the children of palestine want death to
02:16:53.300
bunnies and death to homosexuals oh it's not just a few bad apples unless she thinks the same about
02:17:00.520
police so it changed that was supposed to be jews it changed for some reason streamlabs changed
02:17:06.980
jews to bunnies i was very confused about the bunny i was like i haven't heard this before
02:17:12.760
lol paladins donated two hundred dollars yo thank you man where you been bro that being said it's so
02:17:18.680
hilarious she is concerned about the palestinian culture being erased but yet she would rejoice about
02:17:24.140
her own culture being replaced in the united states i'm not gonna i don't have a response to
02:17:30.860
that one all i would like to say is i find this very funny because i am syrian so i don't know what
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we mean by my own culture i don't support cultural erasure in any form so maybe lol paladins i don't
02:17:44.900
know if you want to revise it by the way thank you for the big support man it's been a while dude thank
02:17:48.980
you for tuning in man i haven't seen you in a while uh hope you've been well man um okay
02:17:53.900
uh anybody else wanted to wait i did you want to weigh in on the charlie kirk thing
02:17:58.640
anybody no i you know what that's not fair what happened in our house when i found when we found
02:18:05.300
out that charlie kirk died guys you guys speak into the mic please what happened in our house when i
02:18:09.580
found out charlie kirk died tell them exactly what happened i cried for three days she was in a state
02:18:15.460
for like three days because what happened was it was genuinely horrible it was horrible it was
02:18:20.140
absolutely horrible and there's no buts or ands to that what happened was absolutely terrible and
02:18:25.380
there's there's no other comments to make because i don't believe that death should ever be a political
02:18:31.420
discussion unless you know we're actively that person is taking the lives of other people such as
02:18:36.380
hitler which doesn't even you know that's not even you can't even compare the two that's but come on
02:18:41.360
in but in um terms of like death isn't political what happened fucking sucked and that's it doesn't
02:18:50.540
matter what you but you and your sister could not share my i mean your sister was empathetic more so
02:18:56.020
than you well my sister doesn't really care about anything i i fear like we could go into war and she
02:19:01.380
still wouldn't care well the bottom line is our house was quite divided yeah okay uh yeah um
02:19:09.120
let me see if oh final thing here this is something that i wanted to circle back to then we'll get
02:19:15.260
hopefully into some more dating topics um i have to follow i have to follow up on this um
02:19:21.940
you said woman not a real thing oh here we go um so i think it might be helpful here why don't we just
02:19:31.740
what is a woman um a woman is someone who personally identifies as one
02:19:37.420
a woman is someone who identifies as a woman wait guys do me a favor here i'm gonna fix your mics one
02:19:45.600
more time leave them where they are move your mic to the very edge of the table please
02:19:49.840
all right scoot your mic that way please a little less and just keep it at the edge okay
02:19:57.340
so uh a woman is someone who identifies as a woman yes okay here we'll go around the table what's your
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definition of a woman yeah what's a woman what is a woman
02:20:12.040
i'm a little bit i'm self-conflicted i can't lie um i believe that a woman is someone who has
02:20:23.200
reproductive i believe that a woman is someone who has reproductive organs and i believe you know
02:20:27.340
sharing the struggles that women have went through that is what defines a woman all right what about you
02:20:31.460
one of two genders in the homo homo sapien species
02:20:36.160
okay what about you um oh you caught me off guard
02:20:47.280
and a male is male that's it a female is a female yeah a woman is a female yes okay what about you
02:20:56.460
um um to me um a woman could be a mother it could be truly anyone but
02:21:07.360
well well it's not all women have well children i don't i don't really know like
02:21:15.920
okay what about you what is a woman uh a woman is one of two genders you're either
02:21:21.160
born male or you're born female and if you're born female you're a woman okay what about you
02:21:26.800
yeah a woman is one of two genders female she has a uterus and gives birth okay to human being
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all right what about you um i would say the same as the last two okay um i think a woman is an adult
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human female so woman is just somebody who identify so if i identified as a woman right now
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i would be a woman i think that if it was true to yourself if you genuinely believed that
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sure i think that if you right now were to say it in order to try and make a point
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you know none of us know your intentions truthfully internally so i if someone identifies as a woman
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i'll always treat them as such because i would much rather i mean the amount of lgbtq people but
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specifically transgender people who have mental health issues who face discrimination who kill
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themselves is uh you know so disproportionate from straight people and i uh personally would
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never run that risk if someone tells me they're a woman then i am treating them as such if if that's
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not true to themselves then it is their morality on the line it is their like it is you know they're
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the ones betraying themselves so we should affirm people's identity yes okay so my uh
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my identity happens to be and it would cause severe mental harm to me if you denied my identity
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i believe i'm the right person on this issue like i believe i'm correct i would like you to affirm my
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identity as the correct person on this issue would you mind if we could quickly define identity because
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i think we have different definitions the way in i mean just the way in which i identify what's your
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definition though an identity is something uh fundamental to who you are a building block of
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your character oh not your stance on an argument well this is fundamental to who i am that i'm
02:23:14.440
correct on your stance on this argument my yeah it's fundamental to who i am that i'm correct on
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every single thing i say nobody nobody else can uh defy this i am 100 right on every single thing
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and i would like you to affirm my identity as the correct person on this issue and all issues we
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clearly have different understandings of what an identity is and that's all right what do you mean
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i that's how i identify as the correct person see it's it's a fun argument to make because you know
02:23:45.000
it makes transgender people sound so insane when you compare them to something like that but that's
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not the claim that they're making no one is sitting there you know taking extremes like that and just
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trying to like be unreasonable people just identify with different genders we should do this because if
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we don't do this it would harm them no i'm saying that you know if if it well i personally the way
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that i like to go through my life and i'm not saying anyone else has to live like this but if something
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isn't causing harm to me or anyone else and it makes that person feel comfortable i am always going
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to align with it well how about this all conservative people feel very strongly about their political
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position yes and i believe that is harming other people well hold on yes but it causes harm to
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conservative people when people disagree with their identity as a conservative person and they don't
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they don't get their political will laws are passed that are in contravention of their desires and their
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wants and sometimes it creates economic harm it creates it can even you know going against certain
02:24:44.720
political wills of conservative people will you know you allow certain say uh you're not going to
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like this argument but allowing unfettered illegal immigration like not all not all illegal immigrants
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are violent criminals but some of them are and this will allow people into the country who will
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either like essay sexually assault women uh or you know just kill people whether man woman female
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whatever uh this does create harm and you not uh you not affirming my identity is correct for example
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on the immigration issue actually causes palpable harm and i would like you to align with my political
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ideology i see where your misunderstanding is my goal is not my goal is not harm reduction i would like you
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to affirm my position and my political identity as it relates to illegal immigration because i believe
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illegal immigration causes harm yes my goal here is not to make you feel comfortable at all costs as i
02:25:38.480
said in my initial claim causes me harm sure that's fine in my initial claim harm is okay in my
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initial claim if someone's identity is explicitly not causing harm to me or others as i said then i
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will affirm it because it doesn't matter that in my opinion is causing harm so i will not affirm it for
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your sake i don't i don't okay so hold on but in all circumstances must we affirm somebody's like uh
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if somebody's transgender must we affirm well as i said i don't think everyone needs to go through life
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the way that i do i personally will because i can ask you if it causes harm to the transgender
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individual to bar them from playing in women's sports oh i was waiting for it well it i think
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it's fair to say that transgender individuals can experience that same level of of harm if we bar them
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from participating in women's sports should we allow them to participate in women's sports well i personally
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think we should okay but you do acknowledge the differences in physical strength between men and
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women i also acknowledge the difference in physical strength by person to person every single person
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has some kind of genetic disadvantage or advantage for different sports and we have never cared before
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until it comes to being able to discriminate right but if it was the case for example that
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transgender women are leaps and bounds more physically like just completely physically stronger like you
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don't think if it was the case let's say there was a massive representation of transgender women in
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sports and i know look transgender people small proportion of the population so of course they're never going
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to be like a majority of women women playing in women's sports wouldn't it be fair uh or do you think it would be
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unfair if it happened to end up eventually being the case that transgender women took first second
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third place across all of women's sports you don't think they're that wouldn't raise in your head like
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any sort of red flag as to like a completely unfair disadvantage maybe it would but that's not what's
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happening because estrogen does make like estrogen supplements that women that trans women take
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does make them weaker so just to be clear you think the only difference between males and females
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is the um shoot testosterone no no it's the endocrine system you think the only all it takes
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to become a woman is to make a chemical to do a chemical change to your endocrine system
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that is a big leap from what i said and i did not make that claim well you said estrogen well as a
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estrogen does make trans women weaker so as they are taking those supplements it is not like a man
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competing against a woman it is not still a male competing against a female but so you think that
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there's no verifiable differences in strength i did not say that either we're jumping to extremes
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well you're saying you're referencing estrogen yes so okay then it is your position that trans
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women still maintain mass male strength i guess to some extent my argument here is no my argument
02:28:42.640
here is do trans women have an advantage in certain sports keep in mind strength is not always the
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only like all sports not necessarily you do realize that men out compete women in every single sport
02:28:55.040
there is the only one there's i believe one specific one specific long distance event where the skiing
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one huh the skiing one where they look kind of silly is that we're talking about no there's there's a
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long distance running event where women just slightly will out edge men one long so women
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apparently have like some advantage in one specific event if you look at all olympic events you look at
02:29:22.320
you know fighting she's a boxer for example uh women just can't compete with men um so on that note i
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would like to say there are gymnastic skills that men can't even compete in that they don't compete in
02:29:34.560
in the olympics or gymnastic skills that women don't even compete in because they are tailored
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to their strengths so i mean like to say that a trans woman would dominate in women's gymnastics is
02:29:44.960
absurd they would not it would they would have a huge disadvantage i'm gonna go ahead and grant
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that there are like certain certain gymnastics things that like women do men do for example i don't
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know what the move is i don't know if anybody's familiar with gymnastics like the one where men
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do the yes the cross or there are things all across the board whatever like women just don't
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have the physical capacity even like trained gymnasts to do like certain upper body maneuvers that met
02:30:08.880
uh male gymnasts can do so but i'll go ahead and grant that yes how about like the other 99 of uh
02:30:16.960
athletic endeavors where men completely would dominate women if they were to compete together okay i'd like
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to pose a question um can i answer my question first then pose your question okay my response to
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that is every single individual has different genetic advantages and disadvantage some more
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extreme than others i do it has never been in conversation before it has never been a question
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of who naturally has the biggest lung capacity in swimming because we can't measure things like
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that and it's not well okay sure yes that's actually a great point okay we can no i mean individual
02:30:47.280
to individual can we determine michael phelps's uh lung capacity compared to a different olympian and
02:30:52.880
then claim whether or not he was born with an advantage or not those things have never mattered
02:30:57.600
before we've never posed those questions because we understand that humans are biologically always
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going to be different and have different strengths and weaknesses it only becomes a problem when people
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don't want transgender people competing but men are physically stronger than women and men have
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certain physiological characteristics that make them better athletes sure and certain men are able to
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gain muscle easier because of their genetics than other men yes some some men have but my argument would
02:31:22.640
would be when you're looking at elite athletes the best male athletes will always predominate over the
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best uh female athletes like you have a woman who used to play in the wnba if lebron james played in
02:31:36.000
the wnba he could probably fucking smoke play solo against the wnba and fucking smoke them yeah this is the
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question i would actually like to pose um in the wnba i'm assuming that you are competing with women who
02:31:47.280
weren't all your exact height can we yes make that assumption yeah um do you know like generally the
02:31:53.200
lower end of that scale um this is give me a guess it's okay this is irrelevant but probably like
02:32:00.320
five six to six eight if you were to do a one v one match with a five six woman do you think that
02:32:08.480
you would have a genetic advantage um maybe maybe not in some ways because she probably would be
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quicker in some ways wait that is not she's gonna be quicker in some ways but that's not that's not
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the question the question is i'm a six six female right i have been the best of the best at every
02:32:28.480
level since high school when i was the best of the best in high school what did i do i went down to the
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rec and i played against average guys why because they were stronger than me they were faster than me they
02:32:42.480
were bigger than me but they could compete against me even though i was the best of the best they were
02:32:48.400
average guys the best of the best women's best college basketball teams they compete against average
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guys they practice against average guys why because the guys make us better same with the pros we compete
02:33:02.480
against not pro guys average guys why because they're stronger faster and they make us better so one
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thing related to that so if she was competing against a 5 8 professional male nba player that
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even though she's you're six foot six that 5 8 player would probably beat her i mean look basketball
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is a basketball is a team game but like in a one-on-one so currently i i just googled this the shores
02:33:27.040
shortest player currently in the nw and excuse me nwa that's what the fuck nba excuse me i'm thinking
02:33:35.760
about rap for some reason the shortest player currently in the nba is yuki kawamura of the
02:33:42.480
memphis grizzlies he's five foot eight he would he's probably he would beat like she's retired right
02:33:51.280
he would be the probably the best female nba player i don't care how tall she is men and women are just
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built different like men and women and you know we see this in not just the nba we see this in soccer
02:34:03.680
for example or football in europe they will take the women's national team here the u.s professional
02:34:10.400
women's team this is the hot the most elite best women's soccer players they will compete against
02:34:18.000
under 15 boy teams like so the best under 15 they will lose shutout like eight to zero the the boys will
02:34:28.880
beat the professional adult women we see this in all kinds of sports men are just they're stronger
02:34:36.000
they have and it's just it's physiological yes i've never denied that right my question here is why is
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that where we draw the line no one has ever cared about genetic advantages before it has never been a
02:34:47.520
question before because it's across the board with men and women we're talking about men and women it's across
02:34:53.840
the board men are at a much higher threshold of strength but here's we can let's take sports off
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the table for a quick second because you made a claim that doesn't another claim that doesn't make
02:35:05.760
any sense to me and you're saying it doesn't hurt anybody how do you know it doesn't hurt anybody
02:35:13.040
them being um us affirming their identity i'll give you a quick story i travel a lot for work i went
02:35:20.480
through and you know how in the airport uh women get searched from women with by women men get
02:35:26.720
searched by men right so i go through the alarm i alarm my pants alarm and so they need to you know
02:35:34.320
touch me in the private areas now the woman who comes to search me is very clearly a man was very
02:35:42.880
clearly born a man who put on a wig and some lipstick right so this woman is coming to search
02:35:51.440
me in my private areas what did quote unquote she asked me would you like me to do it out here or take
02:35:58.720
you back there because that's what they do when they have to search you in the private areas in that
02:36:03.920
moment i had a choice i had to decide okay i see this person as a man she he really sees himself as
02:36:13.920
a woman it's very obvious what he was born as as someone who has experienced sexual assault in the
02:36:22.000
past i know that allowing myself to be pat down in this area by a physical man is probably going to
02:36:29.840
trigger something but i have to decide okay so am i allowed for myself to be touched in this way by a
02:36:38.000
physical man or am i going to say no thank you realizing that that means that i'm not affirming
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whoever he thinks he is and potentially causing some type of mental disturbance his rights
02:36:54.080
whose whose rights are more important his rights or my rights to be to be frisked by a woman sure now
02:37:04.080
i i completely understand where you're coming from i would like to make it clear my initial point that
02:37:08.720
i have now restated a couple times is so long as it does not cause harm to yourself or others i believe
02:37:14.960
that i would like to affirm people that is a situation where it explicitly does cause harm to you
02:37:19.840
people have trauma from things people can't control their traumatic reactions regardless even if you
02:37:24.000
did believe that she was a woman then it still could cause something because you're aware that
02:37:28.080
she was born a man right and you are completely within your right to ask for someone else there
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is nothing wrong with that it's not about affirming their gender i do however think that when you're
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telling this story it's very unnecessary to get like just rude about it when you say that you know
02:37:42.480
he's a man who put on a wig and lipstick you're more than welcome you are more than welcome to not
02:37:47.280
refer to her as a woman it's it's none of my business people hold their own opinions however i think
02:37:52.000
to intentionally throw in comments that cause no purpose other than to be hateful is at that
02:37:57.360
point just rude just negative and now she's hateful well no but i do think that if i ask something
02:38:05.760
he's literally hold on he's literally he was literally a man who put on a wig and lipstick
02:38:12.400
that's not i would have said that too back just so you know that's a fact he was born a man put on a
02:38:18.560
wig and lipstick and decided to call himself a woman and because of that i'm supposed to let him
02:38:25.520
go in between my legs and in front i explicitly said that you should ask for someone else right you
02:38:30.800
said i could ask for somebody else but in his mind and in his employer's mind it was okay because
02:38:37.280
he's now a woman and you're able to ask for someone else but i wasn't being hateful i was
02:38:42.400
saying a fact but now you're calling me hateful because i seeded a fact i'm saying that after you
02:38:47.760
have explicitly made it clear that she was a trans woman you've said that you don't believe that she's
02:38:51.280
a real woman that's all fair that is none of my business but the statement that you made it didn't
02:38:55.360
convey any information it didn't progress the story it didn't prove a point it was purely put in
02:39:00.400
there to offend someone so now you're assuming my intention of why what other purpose did that statement
02:39:05.280
serve you were assuming my intention can i ask you your intention then so i'm not assuming to describe
02:39:10.800
this person you already had very well to in your opinion in your opinion i described him very well
02:39:18.080
but you cannot assume my intention as why i put in that detail of that story okay and so for you to
02:39:25.760
say oh well we should affirm that's the problem is that whose rights come first who's right because
02:39:33.040
he you just told me i was hateful for not affirming him and to say that he was wearing i'm sorry to
02:39:39.600
say that he was wearing a wig and some lipstick you just said i was hateful so okay what is to stop him
02:39:45.440
from saying that because i don't affirm his choice to be a woman and ask for someone else what is to
02:39:53.520
stand in the way of him saying then i am hateful about that in that way he is more than she is more
02:39:59.760
than welcome to have whatever opinion she would like again same as the abortion you said at the
02:40:04.080
end of the day everyone is going to have whatever opinions they want about you and that cannot rule
02:40:08.640
your own self-perception in the same way and does not in the same way that you don't believe she's a
02:40:12.720
woman it should not rule her self-perception right you are more than entitled to your own opinion i'm
02:40:17.040
not telling you you have to affirm her gender that's not what i said my claim was just that unnecessary
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rude comments it's not we don't need to do it but i think that you are more than welcome to not
02:40:26.240
view her as a woman it's none of my business lol paladins donated two hundred dollars yo sorry for
02:40:31.680
the delay on this sorry for the delay on your hijab and stop socializing with men outside of your
02:40:37.840
family if you want to identify as syrian you enjoy your starbucks pink drink just like every other basic
02:40:44.640
blonde joyful now that's a rude comment we can agree on that one say in fact i don't think it's a real
02:40:56.240
a rude comment but that that was kind of rude okay we can we can do a compromise there
02:41:01.840
sorry for the delays guys are you really going to sit there and let a woman compare charlie kirk
02:41:07.120
to hitler step up defend human decency charlie was a good and honorable man regardless if you agreed
02:41:14.080
with him or not i would i think some of the girls did kind of scoff at the charlie the hitler comparison
02:41:20.960
for charlie kirk but um i mean we just i would like to say we just moved on i have i have i'm sorry
02:41:26.960
i would very quickly like to just say um as frustrating as it is getting to repeat myself
02:41:33.040
constantly i did start that argument by saying explicitly i am not comparing the two and that
02:41:39.840
is not my intention i really don't want to have to keep saying the same things but why did you invoke
02:41:45.120
it if you weren't trying to draw some sort of comparison again as i have already explained
02:41:50.640
at first once more as i have already explained i think three times now the question was brought up
02:41:58.320
so that i could understand if you believed that there is a threshold of evil someone can reach to
02:42:02.800
justify assassination that was why i was curious you were using to say that charlie kirk crosses into
02:42:08.480
the threshold of i was not no i was wondering because the thing is if you would argue no there is no
02:42:14.080
threshold then there's no point in that discussion i would understand where you're coming from on that
02:42:17.920
and i would understand that we can't come to terms there right because i think that there is a
02:42:22.640
threshold right but we agreed on it so then that led into a different conversation it was not in order
02:42:27.360
to make a point it wasn't to make a claim on kirk's morality it didn't serve any of those purposes
02:42:32.560
but i i guess my confusion there isn't it just granted and a given that i mean perhaps it's worthy of an
02:42:41.120
inquiry but what isn't it just kind of like basic common knowledge that most people would say yes
02:42:48.320
there is a threshold like for example uh need i ask you do you think most people enjoy breathing air
02:42:56.800
okay like is that even a question worthy at like what we have to understand is the conversation
02:43:01.200
beforehand was leading to a place where i became unsure if we were agreeing on that point and if we
02:43:05.360
had disagreed that's okay i just was becoming unsure of your stance on it and i well there are
02:43:11.600
people monstrous enough that yes uh there there is justification for killing them okay yes some
02:43:18.320
people would disagree with that believe it or not like for example here's a threshold self-defense if
02:43:23.840
somebody's trying to kill you you can kill them yes there and then in wartime yeah that the whole concept of
02:43:32.240
war is we try to kill your soldiers your leaders you try to kill our soldiers like that that's the
02:43:38.880
basis of war your charlie kirk is a civilian he's not a soldier i understand it's not wartime he's a
02:43:46.480
citizen of the united states so drawing this comparison of well okay if there's a belligerent outside
02:43:54.640
nation and army it's completely incomparable now if you were to tell me like you could ask me brian is
02:44:01.680
there anyone in the united states who you think uh
02:44:08.240
hmm i'm trying to think but if there's anyone in the well obviously there's certain people who are
02:44:12.400
like on death row and they've committed like provably committed atrocious atrocities
02:44:19.840
sorry i'm getting tongue-tied here but even then i'm actually in some ways i'm actually kind of
02:44:24.560
i do object to some degree uh to the death penalty um so i have objections there but i mean these are
02:44:31.760
very different things when uh my objection to the death penalty even though there are some people who
02:44:37.760
you know conceivably do deserve to be put to death for the crimes they've provably committed my concern with
02:44:43.440
the death penalty is there are people who have been wrongly convicted of crimes there are people who
02:44:50.560
have been put to death who did not commit the crime and so i think under that basis like look if you put
02:44:57.200
someone in prison obviously it's terrible if they didn't actually commit the crime they're wrongfully
02:45:03.600
convicted terrible but at least we can we can free them you know we can come back from that death is
02:45:12.160
is final so if we put someone to death who didn't commit the crime there's no coming back from that
02:45:18.960
that is a major injustice so that's my justification for being against the death penalty but again it's not
02:45:27.040
wartime charlie kirk is a citizen of the united states he's not a soldier he's not even a politician
02:45:31.760
he has matt well he had massive amounts of political influence anyways here i need to i need to shift it
02:45:39.520
back because we've been talking about some of this stuff too long we gotta we gotta talk to some of the
02:45:44.560
other panelists here we have some chats coming through though sharky mcsharkface stop saying pro-choice
02:45:51.040
that implies you support everyone's freedom to make choices about anything in general such as getting
02:45:55.840
abortions vaxes guns it's just pro-abortion not pro-choice uh okay well i think it's fair when
02:46:05.920
you're having these conversations to use the term that the the other side or the side how they want to be
02:46:16.560
referenced as so in this case pro-choice people want to be referred to as pro-choice pro-life people want
02:46:24.080
to be called pro-life so i don't think it's fair to do this bias thing where okay well you're pro-murdering
02:46:33.280
babies and i'm not you know it's like you have to you have to be charitable and grant the title or the
02:46:41.280
label or whatever otherwise the other side would just say well you're not pro-life you're um pro-restricting
02:46:48.480
women's bodies or whatever some bullshit like that so you got to be charitable to both sides uh
02:46:52.720
okay we have charles sterling it never mattered before because we never had men trying to compete
02:46:57.920
compete in women's sports or going into women's bathrooms in the past also by the way the men's
02:47:03.760
division is open it's not the if you're a woman and you want to compete with men there's actually
02:47:12.080
nothing barring women competing for men it's just the reality that they can't okay they can't if
02:47:20.640
women aren't choosing to compete against men i'm not going to tell them to you you do acknowledge though
02:47:25.760
if we're looking at world records gold medalists in the olympics for example in for example a lot of
02:47:33.280
these sports men's uh in races sprint for example men who don't even qualify to run in the olympics
02:47:45.040
would get gold medals if they competed against women i cannot imagine that it's true i understand
02:47:52.240
they have genetic advantages you know the website i'm talking about oh nick's on it so uh this is
02:47:58.000
track and field and swimming there's other stuff too so this is boys versus women.com yeah so male
02:48:05.920
high this is comparing just male yes high school athletes versus female olympians so these are elite
02:48:12.560
level women versus top high school athletes uh if boys win against the fastest women is it fair for males
02:48:23.040
to compete in female only athletics so you see the columns there boys women those are all the medals
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that high school boys would steal from women if those high school boys based on why aren't you trying
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wait like histogram of placing wait it's not just based on like conjecture and random like i'm genuinely
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asking what is this based so do you know when you do okay really simple you know when you do a race
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and they have a timer yes and they keep a record hold on there's literally it's not just like vibes
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and feel good feel goodsies yes they keep robust records of race times so they hit they hit the
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stopwatch yes i understand how you realize time is an objective measurement yeah so is this all just
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to say that they're faster this is all to say that that's based on their times faster they're stronger
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well no i understand i'm saying my answer to the question is just that it's based on their running
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times there's also higher hurdles for men there's also bigger balls for them longer fields bigger
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courts like i feel the need to reiterate let's just say that we separated populations in the way
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that we separate men and women by people who have super long legs and people who don't do you think
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one of those groups can jump higher yes probably right and they probably shouldn't compete in the same
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division but we're not separating people based off of that even if they have a huge advantage we
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actually do we separate them by grade level we separate them by age we separate them by weight
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class exactly so are you trying to tell me i'm sorry are you trying to tell me that that means say
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oh i don't know the olympic scoring do you know how prideful it is to actually argue with a pro
02:50:08.640
athlete about this who spent their entire life she played in the wmba yes i understand but i don't
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think that that gives her total and complete jurisdiction over genetic disadvantages and
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advantages it's her first first hand anecdotal experience and she said that she played against
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men she also made the claim that a five foot six man would beat her in a game which i don't think he
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would i've put i've played many men and he might not but that man is an average man let's frame it
02:50:40.640
and i am far from an average woman let's frame it like this question for you i i think so can we be
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one sec she would she guys okay what you want to talk about fucking fucking horrors and shit whatever
02:50:53.920
this is an interest this is more interesting so anyways to your point i think she could beat
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some men who are five eight absolutely she could i think she could be plenty but here's the question
02:51:06.560
she was an elite level w nba player could she beat a five foot eight nba player the answer to that is no
02:51:16.320
and i would you agree with that yes i would agree with that and i would also agree that yes i as an
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elite athlete i am going to beat some average men and have but is your average five eight woman going
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to beat your average five eight man no it is going to take a higher level of woman as far as athleticism
02:51:41.680
like serena williams is going to go to your average tennis court and beat every man there but she's serena
02:51:49.120
williams like your average woman is not going to do that also so yeah and she's she's one of if one
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of the best female players but if she was ranked among the men she and she admitted this herself serena
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was it venus or i don't know which one the two sisters she would rank like 400 if she was ranking
02:52:11.680
with the men she said oh yeah i would maybe rank in the 400s then why aren't trans people dominating
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trans people are competing and they are not dominating wait there's there are examples of
02:52:23.120
trans people dominating there are examples of trans people winning that many trans people are losing
02:52:28.160
the trans people in sports who are not dominating at their sport aren't being spoken about because they
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aren't used as ammunition i'm letting her final thought for her then i gotta move it on i gotta go
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ahead um so i am definitely more left-leaning in my ideologies but i do have to agree um i have been
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boxing since i was fighting around since i was around nine years old and one time i sparred my
02:52:48.560
fiancee and uh it went on for about 45 minutes and i was bedridden for about two weeks and my
02:52:54.800
technique there's nothing well of course there's flaws within my technique but regarding fighting i am
02:53:00.560
a better fighter and he beat my ass and he had only like one year and a boxing experience so like
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men do have the upper hand like biological males absolutely do have the upper hand within sparring
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and sports in general and i feel that maybe we should not be mixing the two biologically because i do
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feel as a fighter myself and an athlete it's not fair i also for combat sports like her it's not just
02:53:29.840
somebody else wins the medal she goes up against a trans woman but that person could still reasonably
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have like the physiology perhaps a slightly weakened state of the physiology of a male she's getting
02:53:43.840
broken orbital bones she's literally going it's literally harming certain combat athletes if you
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allow them to compete against a man uh two things i would like to say on that i'm not going to speak
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on combat sports because i think that that is purely strength based and when it's purely strength
02:53:58.640
based i'm not going to claim that i like obviously people still have genetic advantages and
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disadvantages but faster like just forget strength sure combat sports i'm not making a claim on whether
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or not what's going on there but i would also like to say i would hope obviously i've never boxed i
02:54:13.280
don't know how boxing works but my understanding of it is it's an athlete's responsibility to understand
02:54:18.000
the force that they are using and to not actually seriously harm people i would wait wait wait hold
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on the literal no no no no do you think that they're going to kill each other like people are
02:54:27.440
capable of killing each other but if you're in a box yes when you're in like an action like there's
02:54:32.560
a difference between sparring but when and we're talking about sparring are we not well when you're
02:54:37.600
in a fight when you're an actual i said i will not comment on whether or not they should be actually
02:54:41.280
competing hold on no no but to your point about well don't don't the boxers and ufc fighters aren't
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they like holding back no i did not reference ufc fights i'm taught we were discussing sparring i'm
02:54:51.040
discussing her fight no no you're talking about sure obviously in sparring you're not you shouldn't
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be trying to hurt your sparring partner but when it's an actual fight you're they're trying to knock
02:55:02.480
you out yeah which is a different conversation that i said i will not comment on why would you
02:55:06.720
even i wanted to discuss i wanted to say the fact that in you're walking this back so much sure
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no in ufc i don't care if you're a female fighter male fighter the goal is to i mean you're trying
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to hurt the person because if i can knock this person out and give and by extension give them
02:55:24.080
brain damage or if i can you know uh fucking like pretty much destroy their knee the fight's over
02:55:30.240
they can't potentially give me brain damage so in combat sports the stakes are massive yes these
02:55:35.680
people are punching with the full force in an effort this person needs to be on the ground i'm going
02:55:40.560
to defend myself so it doesn't happen to me yes that's crazy sorry sorry to interrupt but i'm
02:55:46.960
i'm hopping on real quick um i don't know how you what you guys think sparring is but like that's
02:55:52.640
you go all out at least my gym makes me i remember one time ellie if you're watching hello i made my
02:55:57.600
sparring partner ellie throw up and then another time she almost gave me a damn near concussion you have
02:56:01.840
to tell them also that they have to have you matched with like if ellie were to sit out and not be there
02:56:06.720
she can't i can't spar like it's even some people do like go full full-blown that's what we have to
02:56:12.960
yeah but typically you know i'd say typically with combat sports when you're sparring uh you know i
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people will pull their punches a bit but also in combat sports the ufc specifically um
02:56:26.080
they're like you keep going until the ref pulls you off so you'll see a guy in the ufc for example
02:56:33.840
like the guy is clearly close to being incapacitated or is knocked out you'll see the
02:56:39.600
guys you know because they need to make sure they finish the fight because there are situations
02:56:44.320
where they think they get the knockout they do some big walk off and it's like nope the fights keep
02:56:48.800
keeps going then he ends up getting knocked out in the ufc the guys will continue punching until the
02:56:53.680
ref pulls them off now some guys will demonstrate some degree of sportsmanship and be like okay i've
02:56:58.720
clearly knocked this person out it's over but you'll often see the guys keep punching until the
02:57:03.680
ref ends the fight i gotta move it on though gotta move it on
02:57:08.960
capt 13 donated 200 thank you man share three rachel dolezal is a white woman who identified as a black
02:57:16.480
woman she even curled her hair and got a nice spray tan she's not physically harming anyone but would
02:57:23.120
you say she is black wasn't she with the naacp didn't she have like a high level job in the naacp
02:57:29.200
yes uh rachel dolezal oh yeah oh well okay i know the answer i know who that is i don't understand
02:57:37.200
what this is about there was a there's a white woman named rachel dolezal and she identified as a
02:57:45.280
black woman and so she got her hair done she was white white she was like legit white and she got
02:57:53.200
uh yeah she was black fishing yeah she she basically decided she was black and decided to play the role
02:58:00.240
of a black woman and got a job at the naacp or something like that and then she was found out
02:58:06.560
so she's still the same though she hasn't changed at all she's still it's wild
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i'm giving you a job i'm giving you a job you get to read the chats that come through and i'll
02:58:16.720
tell you which ones the hundred it's going to be the hundreds and ups so you're going to read this
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one okay okay uh chair three what the hell are you talking about women's sports leagues exist
02:58:29.360
because of exactly this concern about sorry genetic advantage sports class systems all address
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various various i'm so sorry physic advantages physio advantages okay
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i i think that we have covered this very well we've covered it uh charles you know my opinions
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on that if you disagree with that also i do want to i want to give you uh credit you've been a good
02:58:56.800
sport oh i'm having fun you have no it's it's been good sometimes people might feel like
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oh i'm like the only dissenting opinion here you've been you've been oh that's okay i love to
02:59:06.240
argue you've been very good faith and a good sport with these conversations so
02:59:10.080
credit to you for that uh oh wait this one just came up my bad we already read this one right
02:59:15.840
uh yeah it doesn't have my bad yeah here we have j nico coming in here uh
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one sec here i'll just read this one brian do not let her walk back her position i'm not going to
02:59:29.440
compare him to hitler but i am going to compare him to hitler this thought process is evil and needs
02:59:35.280
to be shamed out of society i'm not going to reiterate myself i started you did bring up hitler
02:59:43.040
i started that before i even made that comparison i started with the fact that i'm not comparing them
02:59:48.160
i like i said that before i made that comparison i'm sorry we have to unfortunately we have to get
02:59:54.720
over the mining word minor wording of things like next time you stutter do you want me to sit
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here and go clearly you don't believe what you're saying can i ask you a question do you know how some
03:00:02.080
people say like i'm not a racist but or you know you know what i mean or sure if i had said i'm not
03:00:09.680
going to compare them and then i went on to compare them then yeah that's hypocritical i personally don't
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think i did if you disagree go at it okay yeah uh we have a very very polite message here oh that sounds
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good uh okay you get to read this one as chair three her big kitten titties make her a female
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he he he he he he he he it changed it changed ass thanks oh i was definitely looking
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go for it um thanks freak oh shit john she called you a freak dude oh
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shit how much did he donate just to say that i'm kind of curious
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i don't guess uh i think it was it was a hundred dollars super chat hope it was worth it it was so
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worth it the weakest man can win against the strongest woman in a particular competition
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with training period i'm my stance on this is clear we've been over it enough times i'm done
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saying the same shit do you think generally speaking men are stronger than women yes okay
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do you think the strongest man in the world is stronger than the strongest woman in the world
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very likely yes do you think the top 100 strongest men in the world are stronger than the top 100
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strongest women in the world very likely yes do you think the 100 fastest men in the world are
03:01:32.240
faster than the 100 fastest women in the world probably all right my argument is that we don't
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cherry pick genetic disadvantages or genetic advantages until it comes to sex right we accept well of
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course we you realize some people are born disabled right yes right so but we accept that level of
03:01:50.960
threshold what do you mean what i'm saying is is that we understand that in sporting events like it's
03:01:58.640
not a participation trophy scenario yes like clearly there are people either through their hard work
03:02:04.240
their training genetics a combination of all the above that they're going to they're going to be the
03:02:09.680
cream of the crop they're going to rise to the top i wear those sunglasses that girl had
03:02:15.680
the fuck i need the macho man randy savage anyway it's a meme that probably nobody here knows but um
03:02:23.920
i know so yeah we we understand this and we just accept that yeah there's going to be men who are
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better or stronger or whatever but there are just those differentials so we're like okay well men have
03:02:39.040
such an advantage over women that that's going to be where we're going to separate the two i understand our
03:02:45.200
disagreement but if there's a woman who's so exceptional again there's all these male leagues
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like the nfl like if there's a fucking killer woman it didn't so isn't there a female kicker
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in the i don't know was there a female kicker college in the nfl or was it college college i think
03:03:06.560
okay um well we know what anyways um but no i'm telling you if there was a woman who was
03:03:15.120
some fucking freak and she was better than the men they would let her play they'd let her play
03:03:21.920
there's no bar to women men's division has always been the open division for women it's just so i do
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just want to clarify because i'm not sure we're on the same page we just specified that a woman was
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playing in a college football team i think as a kicker kicker i don't know football positions that
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was like a genuine question i don't know yeah i'm okay okay
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okay good talk i like your little sound board thank you i got more here i can what should i do
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uh every what's your favorite one oh my favorite one uh
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uh okay we have a chat oh my goodness kablask holy shit dude
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oh wow blaze donated 999 dollars here's a champagne pop in honor of the life of charlie kirk
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praying for you and andrew's safety after watching the stream the other night we need you and andrew
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more than ever now yo thank you man yo dudes good to see you man thank you so much for your support
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man you're legend wait hold on let's play this he's a brave and a decent man he's a pioneer you're a
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pioneer sir kablask where you been bro your girlfriend priscilla um she's she misses you dude
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uh you know what just for simplicity wait oh okay yeah i'm just gonna take wait which one's that
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i'll do this one i'll do the california yeah uh thank you thank you appreciate it um while i'm figuring
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this out i want to can i get the paper towel please i want to uh i don't know i want to go to uh
03:05:17.120
violatrix why don't you tell us about your stuff that you do uh what would you like to know exactly
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i don't know i'm kind of preoccupied with the champagne bottle so take it away i'm a cyber
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fin dom my clients have been doing it for 20 years since she was an infant um i do my clients are c-suite
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executive men they're doctors lawyers surgeons famous athletes and i dominate them 95 of them
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are married probably 80 of them are lawyers in-house lawyers or corporate lawyers litigation lawyers
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doesn't matter for some reason it's lawyers and they are into everything from tease and denial to
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sissification where they put on panties underneath their suits and go run board meetings and
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and it's a real thing they are there's cbt cock and ball torture there's all sorts of things but
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it's legitimate it's not i fell into this and okay that's uh do we have cups by the way oh felicity
03:06:27.280
can you grab those it's a little known lesser understood i didn't even know that was a thing on
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uh those of you do you want do you want champagne yeah champagne no thank you
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uh i'm good for now champagne champagne no thanks champagne no thank you
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i'm like does it mess with the show we don't have it who the fuck is that is it the cooks or the andre
03:07:01.520
oh shit i mean i have really funny stories like i said if we're going to tell any story we want to
03:07:06.640
tell the down there the jerkin for jesus story i guess we should then nick if nobody else does anybody
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just want sparkling cider no thanks honey yes hold on don't drink it yet don't drink it yet here read
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this one for me oh yes sparkling yeah just yeah you can open three you've got to be the dumbest
03:07:27.920
everything anyone has has said has gone straight straight over your head the hamster upstairs much
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be hibernating she reads at a fifth grade level i'm just i can't read that far i know it's far i'm
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just i'm just teasing you i'm teasing you i know i'm teasing you i like that i'm such a hit
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we're getting uh since we have some people who are underage can't drink we're getting them sparkling
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non-alcoholic cider uh felicity i'm gonna put you in charge of pouring okay wait is that like apple cider
03:08:07.280
yeah it's not alcoholic it's just i might take some of that apple cider apple cider yes all right
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there we go so one two three four five six six cups for them six cups for them i'm sorry all right
03:08:21.040
uh let's see here we are going okay we are going to one sec guys okay hold on
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is it paper all right we're doing oh no they were no shows scumbags oh let's go while we're
03:08:48.320
figuring this out nick let's let's pull up the fucking no show i got some beef pull up the no
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show the the the dm yeah pull that shit up pull it up oh thank you so this this message
03:09:02.800
was sent do you want apple cider hey be quiet if you guys please can be quiet please please be
03:09:11.280
quiet please uh she sent this 15 minutes before call time i won't be attending your requirements
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actually i need a woman to read this i won't be attending your go for it into the mic into the mic
03:09:23.520
i won't be attending your requirements around controlling women's outfits banning phones not
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allowing an extra guest for support prohibiting eating and expecting six to eight hours of unpaid
03:09:31.920
labor are unsafe exploitative i think exploitative and misogynistic this reduces women to props
03:09:38.000
rather than valuing their voices and i will not participate in this notice the what what is that
03:09:43.600
dash called is it the m dash the m dash this chick fucking chat gpt this message bro look at
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i actually was gonna say i think she did dumbass sex worker no offense to you guys no offense to you guys
03:09:57.600
she's a fucking prostitute they don't use m dashes okay no offense don't take it personally you guys
03:10:03.600
don't use m dashes people are in normal fucking conversation okay so look don't don't don't hate
03:10:10.800
the player hate the game so first off let me address these one by one we don't control the women's
03:10:16.480
outfits in it in our pre-show message we ask if they can provide and most women fucking either don't read
03:10:22.720
it or whatever we ask if they could provide some outfit options so that we can give input
03:10:32.240
women can wear whatever they want really although sometimes we want outfit options because if they're
03:10:37.120
going to wear something that is potentially against tos sometimes we've had to tape over like words that
03:10:43.280
are tos we want to give input so a woman doesn't have to show up to the podcast and change her look
03:10:50.000
and we do like to give input on outfits most of women never send it though maybe they just don't
03:10:56.720
read the fucking things the next point she's lying banning phones we don't allow people to have their
03:11:04.000
phones at the table because if we did allow people to have phones at the table they would not be
03:11:08.960
participating and listening to the conversation and engaging in the conversation they'd be on their
03:11:14.480
phone oh sorry i was looking i was looking back can you repeat the question it's disruptive to the
03:11:19.600
flow of the show people have had conversations before phones existed the phones if somebody ever wants
03:11:29.920
to google anything if somebody ever wants to google fact check anything we will look into it if they ask
03:11:35.840
for it and if somebody really wants to they can go fucking back behind the scenes and check their phones
03:11:42.160
also nothing about the phones is in the pre-show notes no no so somehow she had some like intel for
03:11:48.560
some reason mind you this chick asked to be on the show she asked to be on the show and she she was
03:11:54.400
going to come with a female friend too so she she this was a malicious no show not allowing an extra
03:12:00.560
guest for support now that's funny because she was coming with her female friend who also
03:12:11.360
we have four women here who are on the panel who all know each other they all came together so this
03:12:16.240
idea that we will we try to uh isolate women and we not true at all women can come on the show they
03:12:23.280
can come with a female friend in our pre-show notes what we say is we have a no guest policy so this
03:12:28.960
that means you can have a girlfriend or two girlfriends come on the panel with you but you can't
03:12:35.680
have your fucking manager and your fucking uh your your fucking meth plug hanging out in the
03:12:42.160
fucking back fucking making noise and causing trouble and we have limited space in the studio so we can't
03:12:48.400
and we have think about it this way let's say we have nine women coming on the show and they all want to
03:12:53.680
bring a guest all of a sudden we got fucking 15 people behind the scenes when we don't have space
03:12:59.360
for that so if it was if it was a one-on-one podcast yeah you could bring a guest to kick it
03:13:04.880
behind the scenes but nine people we can't have we can't double we don't have space for that many
03:13:11.200
people to just be kicking it behind the scenes going in the bathroom when other people need to
03:13:14.960
use the bathroom making all kinds of noise being disruptive whatever and also secure there's a security
03:13:20.080
concern too if we allow if we have a just open guest policy then that just doubles our time
03:13:25.760
or we're doing our security all that is she entitled to this much of an explanation
03:13:32.240
yeah fuck that chick pull it back up let me debunk so we oh she was coming with her friend prohibiting
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eating not true we don't prohibit eating in fact i got all of you guys pizza which we're about to dig
03:13:45.840
into in just a moment and we have we got snacks back there we got fruit we got we got little bars
03:13:52.160
you can eat we got little snacks whatever we got energy drinks we got water we feed the guests there's
03:13:57.360
snacks back there and we've been we we it's not every single time we'll have like pizza on stream or
03:14:02.400
whatever but we've been doing it much more regularly there's no in our pre-show notes what we write is and
03:14:08.880
you guys have all received the pre-show notes so you can you can verify you can vouch for this
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it does say eat a hearty meal before you come on the show so you don't get hungry so what this means
03:14:21.520
is don't show up to the studio and you didn't have lunch or you didn't have a bite to eat before it's
03:14:26.400
so that you can make it through the show at least maybe you get hungry towards the end but you're not
03:14:32.000
hungry coming in i think that's fair like if you're about to engage in this longer podcast appearance
03:14:38.800
have a bit of food beforehand and we have snacks to you know hold you over until you have your next meal
03:14:44.320
but not barred next next this whole message is entitled you should see the rest because i started
03:14:51.520
talking shit back to her there's more you didn't oh i was fucking why would you do that oh i called
03:14:58.000
her fucking cooked and she's a fucking scumbag and all this shit no yeah i called her a fucking
03:15:03.120
scumbag she waited bro all this we said you know we send out we send out the pre-show notes a week
03:15:09.920
before this chick she waited 15 minutes before me time she did that intentionally maliciously to
03:15:17.200
fuck us over she's a shill all that shit she would have known and she asked to be on the show too she's
03:15:23.040
a shill who did you piss off who's she fronting for i don't know but pulled that shit back up
03:15:32.880
unpaid labor she has to be on the show she had she has to be on the show she know what she knew what
03:15:37.200
the fucking deal was unsafe exploitative oh it's unsafe oh my god i might be my tummy might rumble
03:15:44.800
towards the end of the show oh my god i'm fucking unsafe you're gonna fucking starve to we've had a
03:15:49.120
a thousand motherfucking guests on the a thousand plus guests on the show ain't nobody starved to
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death in the fucking whatever studio okay nobody's fucking starved to death these fucking chicks are
03:15:58.960
fucking cooked exaggerators false accusers oh it's unsafe to be in the fucking studio shut the
03:16:04.560
fuck up pull up the other fucking shit this fucking cooked lady
03:16:12.240
it's fucking oh it's exploitative this is the fucking feminist bullshit
03:16:17.280
fucking she's got her 15 minutes spin fucking language and misogynistic oh my god it's
03:16:22.800
misogynistic not to feed people no that's just called fucking torture bitch okay secondly she's
03:16:28.800
definitely a feminist secondly thirdly fourthly pull it back up pull it back up
03:16:34.960
fucking how's it what does anything what does this have to do with misogyny i tell them i give
03:16:41.120
oh the the outfits really quick uh controlling women's outfits we say by the way most of y'all
03:16:47.120
obviously didn't read that shit we say don't wear black don't wear black oh please do your
03:16:52.720
dissertation about don't wear fucking black it was like it was right we we we say look we we say
03:17:00.080
things like um if you're gonna wear a dress or a skirt wear like boy shorts underneath so your
03:17:07.200
fucking vag doesn't slip out oh that's misogynistic controlling men's bodies no
03:17:11.840
bitch i just don't want your fucking pussy on camera bitch fuck god damn this fucking cooked
03:17:17.200
bitch and then sorry so this is her and then hold on sorry sorry i'm fucking crashing out boys
03:17:21.600
no it's oh i'm trying to control woman's body no i'm looking out for you so your
03:17:26.560
fucking pussy ain't out on the fucking camera you fucking oh my god bro oh easy
03:17:32.160
what else what's some of the other shit bro i say i say um we give color recommendations like
03:17:38.640
value where are these colors i'm saying where are these colors what else do i say
03:17:42.640
uh i say um oh we say don't wear hats don't wear hats no heels because we yes to take your shoes
03:17:51.840
off anyway so what the fuck it doesn't matter we're some comfortable shit we don't want you guys tripping
03:17:56.720
on your way up uh it's fucking liability what else what is it like oh my god it's just show
03:18:03.440
protocols um oh we say uh what was some of the other we uh she's just fucking cooked pull it up
03:18:09.680
one more time let me see oh my god isn't this overkill this reduces women to props rather than
03:18:17.120
valuing their voices i will not participate you asked to be on the show you fucking cooked
03:18:23.920
degenerate fucking retard sorry but she's a fucking you're making her famous what are you doing bro
03:18:29.920
yeah yeah you're giving her the time of day right yeah someone's gonna find that screenshot
03:18:35.120
they're gonna google reverse image search she's gonna get famous should don't pull it up yet nick
03:18:40.320
chat i'm gonna let the chat decide do we pull up her fucking instagram you're gonna make this
03:18:44.080
oh my god i wanted to know oh no i'm nosy the clap wait don't pull it up nick don't pull it up
03:18:49.600
if you chat do we pull up her dumb ass fucking instagram she's some fucking dumb ass australian chick
03:18:54.400
if you put if you pull it up there's gonna be more people ghosting you so that you pull up
03:18:58.400
no this is fucking accountability bro she she did this shit on purpose she did this
03:19:05.360
shit on purpose because she had days to be like you know what brian i don't really whatever i don't
03:19:11.520
fuck with your show i'm not coming on 15 minutes before call time 15 minutes before call time ate up
03:19:17.520
two seats i mean look we overbooked so fuck her we we made it work right i feel you're ruminating i feel
03:19:23.360
you're ruminating hey look look i'm just i get that these chicks don't like the show or whatever
03:19:30.640
but it's about yeah it's like look if you're intentionally holding back and i could look
03:19:40.080
you guys all know i sent a i i sent a reminder on friday i sent a reminder yesterday i sent all the
03:19:47.040
pre-show a week ago so it's not just like i'm texting y'all the day of hey uh you still coming
03:19:54.400
no it's like a plan we got a fucking plan we're losing viewers keep going keep going get back on
03:20:00.480
track the views are up the reviews are up no i'm not gonna i you know i don't know if i'm gonna pull
03:20:05.760
up her but don't make her famous don't do it i don't know what's that did did anybody teach you
03:20:15.120
manners i don't know you're just gonna okay my bad elbows elbows on the table okay that's great uh
03:20:22.880
do we chat do we i don't know do it do we no yeah no i don't think so do you know how much you'd have
03:20:30.640
to pay for that exposure even bad exposure is exposure yeah it's true don't give her attention
03:20:36.560
well he's gonna ruminate more we're gonna be an hour from now and be like and then
03:20:41.760
oh wait we have to do the chairs oh wait oh that was long ago we've been drinking since
03:20:45.920
to to kleblask kleblaska thank you for the champagne pop the rest of the girls have uh
03:20:52.160
cheers to uh yeah chug chug chug i'm not uh much of a drinker
03:21:09.520
nah we're not gonna pull that but fuck that chick fucker what happens they said they spend
03:21:13.600
certain amount of money and then we get champagne oh and her she fucked her friend over too
03:21:17.760
oh my her friend oh my god the rumination look tase him someone tase him here's my problem
03:21:25.200
dark is uh you know look i don't let things go easily uh so anyways we know this
03:21:33.280
but she screwed her friend who came her friend flew out to santa barbara booked a hotel it's like
03:21:41.920
you're screwing the friend over i don't know could have sent her with us the friend
03:21:45.440
well the friend messaged us like right after i don't know whatever she's like you know what
03:21:52.800
because my friend's not gonna do it i'm not gonna do it either and then her friend sent me that that
03:21:56.880
message that i pulled up and i said you know what you both are fucking scumbags like why are you asking
03:22:01.680
to be on the show like you could have figured this shit out beforehand like why are you gonna
03:22:07.280
why are you gonna flake on somebody 15 minutes before uh we're starting to get like
03:22:13.440
we're starting to feel badly are we not good enough brian did this not do it for you are you
03:22:19.200
really feeling i think i've been very entertaining that's true yeah that's true i just can't so it
03:22:25.360
worked out control you know you just got it worked out so some fucking haggard yeah it worked out that
03:22:31.280
we don't need like some haggard ladies on the show don't worry you guys are not haggard all of you
03:22:37.120
are great they were haggard though all right anyways here you get to read the rest okay
03:22:43.920
i'm just kidding i love those just kidding no they suck speaking of let's get a fit check also
03:22:49.840
panel what's the most embarrassing dating or what does that say carnal knowledge story that you can
03:22:57.200
remember something that really stuck with embarrassing for you or the other uh josh fit checks are 200 you
03:23:05.200
got to send a 200 tts for that uh anybody have embarrassing dating story this is embarrassing
03:23:11.600
for my ex but i i really love to tell people this i dated a guy in high school for two years who was
03:23:18.400
uh beyond insane but uh beyond all of it he had a foot fetish and that's fair you know to each their own
03:23:25.920
but he made me sit through a two hour long documentary as to the sciences of fetishes so he could prove to me
03:23:33.200
that it wasn't his fault it's true it's not his fault you know oh i believed him you know i believed
03:23:39.120
him from when he first said you don't choose what you're attracted to my first boyfriend had a foot
03:23:43.360
fetish too which is chill but why are we watching like you got convinced you know maybe that's not
03:23:50.160
that chill so you got convinced then well until what well you watch the documentary with him and then
03:23:56.080
you're like well okay i guess i'll do the wait which documentary is it uh i don't remember this
03:24:01.520
was like this was my first relationship ever i was 14 years old i was like it was weird it was
03:24:07.360
well you were 14 i was about to say what's wrong with men liking your feet and then she was like i'm 14
03:24:14.160
oh okay yeah i was 14 i was like i was like learning what a fetish is i was like
03:24:27.200
easy all right we got this one from lol paladins imagine one sec it's coming up i'll tell you the
03:24:34.000
one to read okay yes this one go ahead it's funny said she asked to be on the show i believe you mean
03:24:41.920
her only fans management team asked to be on the show these aren't independent women they are being
03:24:47.360
pumped up by men yes it's true you know what's funny though she's accusing me of being exploitative
03:24:52.640
or whatever but i guarantee you have to especially this girl because her her of it was her company who
03:24:59.200
well she was dming me from her account but her company reached out to me directly and was like hey
03:25:05.280
these girls from australia they're in town can they be on the show right
03:25:09.280
if you work with a management company and you do of you're literally committing fraud because all
03:25:16.240
these girls with the fucking uh they got chatters and typers and that's fraud you're you're you're
03:25:23.040
basically saying you're talking to me you're talking you're talking to strumpet you're talking to the
03:25:27.200
girl but that's false advertising you're talking to some fucking some fucking dude making slave
03:25:33.680
wages in bangladesh you're talking to a dude bro that's forced you're forcing a guy to like sexted
03:25:40.000
guy that's like forced not this i guess they do it here too but yeah you're like forcing a dude to
03:25:46.640
like be gay or whatever that's like forced gayness a lot of them hey whatever you're gay that's cool bro
03:25:53.600
but like don't force somebody to be gay like don't force a don't i'm if you're gay cool what's the
03:26:02.080
whatever bro don't force still crashing out fucking simps to be gay bro brian's still crashing out from
03:26:10.000
the girl but yeah they're these fucking of girls are the exploitative ones no offense to any of girls on
03:26:16.560
the panel do anybody here you do of no of girls i'd like to well you do sex work you guys do sex work
03:26:24.000
but at least you know i i put a little at least a little respect um i will you you say you know you
03:26:31.520
said you used to escort no i still do oh okay you know look i disagree with that stuff but i can
03:26:39.040
respect it it's like here's a pussy it's 39.99 whatever the fuck i don't know how much you charge
03:26:44.960
whatever i get more to apply to apply to talk to me okay uh not 39.99 i don't know maybe you have
03:26:53.440
coupons or some shit whatever but these of girls what i'm just what you guys you guys should try
03:27:00.800
coupons i'm just saying no so anyways i'm just saying these girls on only fans though they're
03:27:06.080
fucking finessing these dudes they're fucking hustling these dudes and they're not even
03:27:11.200
fucking girlfriend experience but it's some fucking dude in like thailand fucking typing
03:27:17.760
i'm just saying dude these of girls are fucking frauds typers chatters they got the management
03:27:23.600
companies you you want to accuse me of exploitation because i have consensual willing conversations
03:27:29.280
with women most of which ask to be on the show oh my god exploitation
03:27:33.440
fucking cooked i feel like she hit a nerve yeah so so i can have like major political
03:27:42.160
disagreements on the show and it won't phase me whatsoever but when people fuck with my time
03:27:48.240
like when it comes to like for some reason oh cool back tat or whatever oh thank you
03:27:54.000
like i don't know just i think he was being facetious no i i mean whatever it's
03:28:02.320
i don't know i'm the alcohol i'm just saying random
03:28:06.080
shit crashing out i don't know fucking cool nice he's had a hard night cool jacket yeah
03:28:12.080
irish german what's your background what's your ethnic background i
03:28:16.320
scottish irish like french and english or something i don't know
03:28:19.520
okay good talk um so anyways nice what was i saying i don't know exploitation or something
03:28:26.240
what was i saying oh no yeah yeah like political discrimination whatever but when somebody's like
03:28:31.600
late it's a pet peeve late or like inconsiderate with my time like they flake or they no-show
03:28:39.440
that grinds my gears because it's your most valuable resource time it's the one thing we can't get back
03:28:45.120
like poetic poetic true that was beautiful that was true okay you're reading this one from all
03:28:52.960
paladins uh brixton they need to re they need to report it to ice because they are being sex
03:29:01.440
trafficked into the united states and i guarantee their sex work isn't listed on their visa oh dude they
03:29:07.360
are shooting brian's got ice ice on speed dial get up i mean bro he's like they're on the way
03:29:16.000
these girls are gonna say that they're not here for work but trust me
03:29:21.920
they're fucking for money on atalanto holding so
03:29:26.880
all right uh the thank you guys for these other chats coming through here okay let's uh do let's get
03:29:32.640
back on topic guys oh my goodness oh my goodness i drink like three sips of champagne and i'm losing
03:29:38.160
my mind i'll blame it on the alcohol all right i'm good i'm good okay uh oh wait we have to wait
03:29:49.280
until she's back from the table so we'll get into some of the pre-show notes here uh olivia
03:29:56.000
olivia okay olivia who's olivia that's you correct okay you said you disagree with the oh boy
03:30:04.320
my reputation precedes me and probably the past 15 minutes haven't helped my cause i disagree with
03:30:10.400
the way the host treats women but based on my research often it's provoked and in controlled
03:30:15.920
situations like a debate how do i treat women um i just think it's it was like from your you sure
03:30:23.840
from like you sure yes okay sorry olivia oh no you're okay pass it down a little more
03:30:29.520
yeah go ahead i don't mean like treating women i i think it was just more of like your opinion on
03:30:35.200
them what's my what's my opinion some of them uh but granted i kind of sent that when i first like
03:30:42.080
watched two or three videos of your stuff yeah and so i was only able to kind of see the woman's
03:30:47.440
like side of it and it was just like clip bait i just was seeing like clip baits of like you just
03:30:54.640
like clipping them like you kind of provoking them like i was watching earlier today like that was kind
03:30:59.040
of like a provoked situation but i understand why your points were made if that makes sense
03:31:07.200
what points like today like all of us like the charlie kirk situation like we all kind of had the
03:31:12.800
same opinion on that but we all disagreed mm-hmm okay so is there like i don't know anything else you
03:31:22.000
disagree uh no i only watched literally like two or three of the first and i know a few of the other
03:31:28.400
women have issues with my tone okay all right uh that's cool uh um can i comment condescending
03:31:49.040
can i comment yeah go ahead okay so uh i i personally did put that was my only really like disagreement
03:31:56.480
um and i think as a whole delivery has the power to go a long way and i think that a lot of times
03:32:05.360
you're telling the flat out truth like i i looked at a lot of videos and i'm like well shoot he ain't
03:32:10.560
lying but i think that we often miss how impactful we can be and how we can get people to receive truth
03:32:18.320
a little better with how we give it to people like even the whole thing with the girl
03:32:22.560
is valid like how you feel is valid but it's just like how are we handling the people that we can
03:32:30.880
have an impact on because you could have a bomb impact on that girl but you just you just went in
03:32:37.280
on her so that makes sense like well yeah yeah so i i partially agree with you so i agree with you that
03:32:43.360
it can be effective to deliver your message in a way that is palatable and sometimes i fall short of
03:32:51.280
delivering a palatable message that might otherwise change somebody's mind but because
03:32:57.200
with the gravitas maybe not gravity that's not the right word with the uh way in which i say it
03:33:04.240
somebody might take issue with the way i'm saying that's fair and i don't disagree with you now it is
03:33:11.760
it is true but in terms of like actually countering arguments it is and i don't think this is the
03:33:17.840
point you're making but it is fallacious to say well i'm not going to engage with your argument because
03:33:23.920
i don't like the tone because the the argument hinges on the content and substance of the actual
03:33:33.440
argument but i agree with you that it is effective it is it is effective to present your opinion in such a
03:33:42.080
way however my counter to this is also sometimes you need to cut through the sugar coating and you
03:33:50.160
need to be you even need to use objectionable language to cut through the in this case and
03:33:58.880
oftentimes like for example that woman although even with my strong rebuke that i provided she's not
03:34:05.200
going to change she's she's like perma scumbag she's a terrible person but i think it i don't
03:34:12.320
think putting like putting on the kid gloves with a piece of shit is ever helpful like so if i put on
03:34:18.640
the kid gloves i'm like well it hurt my feelings when you uh you know you didn't respect my time sometimes
03:34:26.720
i think it's warranted to have a tone of voice or have a something behind what you're saying that
03:34:35.120
might offend somebody because they've stepped over a line sometimes i feel like you know what if somebody
03:34:42.880
keeps poking you do i need to continue to remain perfectly calm i think if somebody uh treads on you
03:34:51.040
if somebody treads on you don't be surprised if they tread on you back so i don't this idea that
03:34:58.320
we must perfectly always maintain composure or speak to fucking scumbags always in this like
03:35:11.120
i i don't know like we we gotta always take the the high ground or whatever i don't know sometimes
03:35:17.200
you need to tell someone to shut the fuck up and it's warranted are we still in australians well
03:35:22.320
she was talking about me but i sometimes i think it's okay if somebody's just being a
03:35:27.760
fucking brat or somebody's just being difficult sometimes you got to tell them to shut the
03:35:32.880
fuck up and you got to say it just like that but i think there's a level and i agree with you um i
03:35:39.040
think there's a level of power that's displayed in self-control so a person who stands up to me but
03:35:47.040
they keep their composure they're gentle and they they say something that cuts deep i'm like
03:35:51.760
whoa they just handled me but they but if they react to me and they're given all these explicative and
03:35:57.920
all the things i've lost them because now it just becomes a shouting match and i think that kind of
03:36:02.960
made i thought i was thinking about this earlier of like why we don't have conversations anymore
03:36:07.760
it's always about debate but the at the root of debate which healthy debate is fine but at the root of
03:36:13.520
it is always being right and always being the one and it's never about people just seeing each other's
03:36:19.600
point of views in a in a level calm manner so i think yes some people do need it direct because
03:36:26.080
that's all they can handle i totally agree with you but i think there's a level of a level of power
03:36:32.000
in self-control in the way you deliver that like you can handle the mess out of a person in the most
03:36:36.880
respectful way well i mean not to bring this back to charlie kirk but we had like a shining
03:36:42.960
exemplary person i want to say something to that who did who did the nice guy thing and they
03:36:50.080
fucking murdered him anyways fuck these scumbags i'd like to say something these scumbags i think it's
03:36:56.080
time that we uh put our foot on the fucking gas a little bit and stop this fucking friendly rhetoric
03:37:03.120
i'm not saying like i'm not this isn't called a violence or anything i'm just saying maybe it's
03:37:08.000
time we put you know we put our foot on the neck a little bit rhetorically speaking
03:37:14.560
fuck this nice guy shit they still fucking murdered this guy they're calling these scumbags the white
03:37:19.920
malcolm x is what they're calling him on tiktok and that to that end i did want to say one thing
03:37:25.680
that was the most tragic the most tragic piece of this was that he was trying to bridge the gap
03:37:31.360
open dialogue between two sides and he genuinely emphatically wanted to understand everything he
03:37:39.200
posed it didn't matter what race creed color age what the agenda was he truly wanted to understand
03:37:45.200
sometimes people changed his mind but he was open and he was bridging the gap and he was the only one
03:37:51.600
that i saw doing it who charlie well well i think like that in that way sorry sorry sorry sorry
03:37:57.920
no i think we need a boot on the fucking neck rhetorically rhetorically we need a boot on the
03:38:05.120
fucking neck i'm telling you that's how it's got to be because he tried to do the nice guy thing
03:38:11.680
and they still fucking murdered they fucking assassinated this guy yeah i think i think um
03:38:17.920
i understand that but i also think that we have to be careful in calling someone a scumbag and using
03:38:27.840
that to then justify our poor treatment of them or our poor speech towards them because as we saw
03:38:34.960
earlier who are we calling a scumbag i missed that portion well he said when you're a scumbag
03:38:40.000
sometimes if somebody is a scumbag you should go in on them right the ones that took him out is that who
03:38:45.120
were no no no no um oh just in general just in general like if someone is a scumbag you need to
03:38:50.560
handle them we're not i'm not talking specifically about charlie kirk i'm just saying like bro what do
03:38:55.760
we do with criminals the statement was made like oh you guys if you're if someone's a scumbag
03:39:00.480
we should be able to talk to them whatever well we just had disagreement and and i know we disagreed
03:39:06.720
on a lot but it was very respectful of disagreement right but what what is to stop someone from
03:39:14.800
calling you a scumbag because you disagree with them like they do they hold on they go they go
03:39:20.480
even fucking beyond look at what they did to charlie kirk they fucking he's he's a fascist he's an
03:39:25.840
authoritarian he's a sexist he's a racist he's uh a nazi the hold on he has said some very racist
03:39:32.800
things though posthumously okay like what hold on no no no hold on he has said some very racist things
03:39:37.280
what did he say what did charlie kirk say that was racist uh there was a few but just give me one the
03:39:43.200
biggest thing was talking about affirmative action and saying referencing michelle obama and um
03:39:53.600
kataji brown and there was one more person and he said that they don't have the brain capacity
03:40:00.320
to think in that way and that now don't get me wrong because i'm speaking why isn't that a sexist
03:40:07.360
statement but i'm no no it could be but he was saying it in the context of them being black not
03:40:15.360
them being women so if it was about them being women then it would be a sexist the words came out
03:40:21.280
of his mouth the words came out of his mouth in essence because these people are black they are
03:40:26.400
stupid because for example like i could say they're democrats why can't it just be like he thought they're
03:40:33.280
stupid because they're democrats because that wasn't what they were talking about they were talking
03:40:36.800
specifically about affirmative action and them getting in and taking a white person's spot
03:40:42.560
because they don't have the brain power to do that otherwise he's like he literally said that and
03:40:49.520
that what i mean that's not a word for word quote but that was a racist thing now i am speaking as
03:40:56.720
someone who is very inspired by charlie kirk and how he spoke faithfully and how he spoke boldly
03:41:05.280
it's the dei hires it's the dei it's the dei higher whatever yeah just look up now and i think
03:41:12.640
that's the thing is we have to understand that this is not a one-sided discussion this is a nuanced
03:41:21.600
discussion and there are certain things that you can disagree with someone about and that you can
03:41:30.800
agree with someone about i disagreed with his stance on the video that i'm referencing disagree with that
03:41:38.160
but as a christian woman i love the fact that he is pro family and pro-biblical family i love the fact
03:41:46.080
that he is anti-abortion i love the fact that he um goes by a biblical standard on certain things
03:41:55.360
but other things i cannot agree with him on i think where what was the racist thing he said
03:42:02.880
like what did he actually well i mean we can do you have the clip we can find the clip if if you want but
03:42:07.440
to to imply that somebody is there because they take a white person spot because they do not have the
03:42:14.400
brain power to be there otherwise is crazy and especially as an athlete who is a black woman who
03:42:19.920
went to a predominantly white and very predominant school like vanderbilt vanderbilt and was intentional
03:42:28.480
intelligent enough to be there and succeed there like that'd be crazy for someone to say oh well she
03:42:35.440
can't be there like she she's the diversity higher there or whatever like that'd be wild or she doesn't
03:42:41.520
have the brain power the brain capacity to exist in those spaces i saw a young black gentleman on
03:42:47.600
tick tock talking about how uh charlie had reached out to him years ago it was on tech talk it was on
03:42:53.040
just a different social media platform and and i said you're you know you'd be great in in our cause
03:43:00.480
and this this that and the other and the young man said i don't have the money to get to this whatever
03:43:06.080
the conference was and charlie said we have uh scholarships available so this young black man
03:43:17.760
lol paladins donated one thousand dollars uh give me if you wanted someone to deliver their message in
03:43:23.280
a kind and considerate manner you shouldn't have killed charlie kirk hey just forget it nick i'm just
03:43:28.880
going to move on because of it because he was effective
03:43:31.600
yo lol paladin sorry for the delay i'm pulling this up you're a fucking legend sir thank you dude
03:43:38.000
good to see you back this guy's the biggest fucking giga chad world of warcraft player
03:43:42.320
he fucking scorches people on paladin just fucking destroys them
03:43:48.080
destroys them as a paladin hold on let me play this
03:43:52.240
please thank you how many fucking buttons do you have i got like 300 fucking buttons it's crazy
03:44:03.760
uh okay hold on uh let's see here we have where's
03:44:11.120
my gram super chatted one hundred and ninety nine dollars and ninety nine cents brian we are all
03:44:17.840
thinking about charlie but this isn't the audience for what you're thinking
03:44:23.520
wait what i don't get it we're all thinking about him but this is not the right audience
03:44:28.000
oh you mean the panel probably uh yo ma garambe thank you for the 200 uh i didn't mean to interrupt
03:44:34.240
you there with a not at all champagne do you want to finish your thought it was just the fact that uh
03:44:38.800
i was buying into because of her her rhetoric with with telling me what her thoughts were on charlie
03:44:44.800
and we were vastly different vantage points here opinion points but i saw this young black man on
03:44:50.960
tick tock talking about how charlie reached out and made things happen and because of that
03:44:54.480
opportunity where charlie said he had this scholarship he changed this man's life now i
03:44:59.120
only saw one thing and i did see that they were calling him the black malcolm x and i had to explain
03:45:03.760
to my 14 year old well during the civil rights movement and the jim crow movement you know we had
03:45:09.040
the loss of we had the loss of um malcolm x we had the loss of martin luther king jr
03:45:14.640
we had the loss of medgar evers and charlie like i'm trying to explain to her the trajectory of what
03:45:20.560
happens when people are trying to bridge the gap and stand up so anyway there were a bunch of
03:45:26.160
people on tick tock but maybe they're isolated incidents i don't know but i definitely i didn't
03:45:31.760
see the racism well can't i mean candace owens i mean it is one of his best friends and she happens
03:45:37.120
to be black and you know did she say that she say that too so no and i'm not saying that really quick
03:45:43.280
it says he said they got the position because they were black but didn't have the skills he did
03:45:48.240
not say they didn't have the skills because they are black not the same thing according to that guy
03:45:53.680
i don't know yeah but he he referenced the fact that they don't have the brain capacity like oh the
03:46:01.920
camera okay sorry so regardless like i'm not saying that he is a horrible person and he like he hated black
03:46:11.040
people and all those things i'm saying that there are certain things that he said that were problematic
03:46:16.160
to a certain she said that to me too to uh to certain people right um and the way he said it
03:46:25.280
at times does not help those specific people like and respect him now because i also have the identity
03:46:34.240
i have the identity of a black woman and i have the identity of a christian and so in my identity as
03:46:40.640
a black woman uh his statement in that video was very disturbing it was very off-putting as as that
03:46:51.440
person in my identity as a christian though i respect him for a lot of reasons for his boldness and sharing
03:46:59.360
his faith and for his stand on issues that are not popular to speak about right and so i i am torn in
03:47:08.480
those two identities but because i have prioritized my christian identity over my black identity because
03:47:15.280
that's what the bible calls me to do then i can look at him i can revere him i can um look up to him
03:47:22.640
but that doesn't mean i forget the other ways that he is problematic to me and people like me
03:47:27.360
okay does that make sense yes but and that is something i can't speak to right but i'm not
03:47:32.800
sorry guys sorry guys gotta move it on but i didn't say that there's some dispute as to whether
03:47:37.840
he it wasn't actually if it was actually a racist statement uh brian is always calm he's always very
03:47:46.320
polite and respectful but don't you dare touch the mic or interrupt him while he's preaching because that
03:47:50.960
is not acceptable love you but you need some weed sometimes wait who's yelling at you
03:47:56.160
yeah there's it's just weird like most shit like i don't know like just hearing crazy
03:48:06.560
shit doesn't really bother me but just like minor stuff fucking gets me i don't know i'm autistic or
03:48:12.880
some shit i'll blame it on same oh you mean you dial in on something you ruminate over and over no you
03:48:18.800
couldn't possibly be autistic brian super autistic giga autistic all right let me get into the
03:48:25.440
pressure or you know what we're gonna do this uh oh to law paladins so uh only it's just me and uh
03:48:32.960
pamela the violatrix violatrix here who are gonna have champagne so everybody else has apple cider
03:48:40.400
because underage and other reasons uh salut cheers chin don uh cheers it's okay okay
03:48:50.400
brian i keep drinking your sloppy seconds stop drinking out of it oh yeah i didn't think about
03:48:55.040
that it's okay i don't mind i don't have herpes so is there anything else in there what do you mean
03:49:00.800
are we gonna have to do a full testing panel so i can drink out of your bottle um too late now girl i
03:49:05.360
know i know brian i got what you got somebody wrote in my comments romantic brian's gonna make
03:49:11.520
you he's gonna be your daddy after this and i was like what does that mean he's like just wait are you
03:49:19.600
a daddy what goes on no wait no someone said that to me i'm curious you know what i'm gonna
03:49:26.560
financially dominate you go get your fucking purse right now i know it doesn't work in the reverse
03:49:34.000
because he personally i'm submissive for that doesn't work you're a mom go get your purse
03:49:39.920
go get your purse right now yes it's happening how much cash you got on you how much did i make
03:49:46.080
in chicago three thousand three thousand yeah give me a hundred three this this will be this will be
03:49:51.440
like a little story you can tell this one time girl can i have a 20 i was financially dominated by
03:49:56.560
men it'll be like a uh like a funny story wait it's too late is he actually gonna financially
03:50:03.520
dominate your hair no all right yeah you bet you're like me deep in the bit now
03:50:10.720
okay here we go all right like i like that look if you want to do more i'll accept more
03:50:19.760
i need a tribute can we practice no i need a tribute i need a tribute in fact i need a hundred
03:50:28.640
dollar tribute for each other all right i need the tribute now what am i getting am i getting at
03:50:36.160
least a good girl what you can't say that oh no you can say it but i need hold on you give me oh shut up
03:50:44.960
you think i'm hold on you her i you you think a good girl is worth whatever the couple are
03:50:54.800
what are you trying to fend on me bro you got your purse out pay up because i'm buying the screen
03:51:01.600
time every man that is is in here telling you they're so masculine they're all like the violatrix
03:51:07.520
i want to wear panties for her you know how many hits are gonna be on my website tonight you know
03:51:11.680
how many hits are gonna be on my website and it's gonna be your brother your cousin your boss your
03:51:19.200
now god forbid you give the woman that was all you got you got your purse out in the i saw that cash that
03:51:24.080
was like a couple g's come on now come on wow it's kind of late but i found the clip
03:51:32.640
that's okay we'll just move we've moved way past the clip you have your purse on you might uh you
03:51:37.840
gotta you know something i know you gotta pay up no because if anybody that pays up gets screen time
03:51:43.600
back then i guess then all right you could have you could have had like a funny little quip you
03:51:49.360
could have told people this one time i paid a guy 100 bucks on the podcast and he fin domed me
03:51:54.400
what but how are you gonna find on me what am i getting for this it's a tribute i don't think
03:51:59.200
he understands what on your website oh you look at my website yeah i do research i do i research
03:52:06.560
everybody on your website it's like just to contact me is a hundred dollars i should have charged
03:52:10.800
you i should have when you first dm me i should have been like two thousand dollars oh shit that's
03:52:15.280
nothing there you go pal so you're saying i'm cheap okay keep going keep going am i a sex worker
03:52:22.960
now what the fuck yes yes 3032 39.99 brian get it now
03:52:32.640
yoink yoink wait i gotta play this hey chill off helicity
03:52:41.680
honey i'm i'm married my husband's a doctor this is this is like my fun money
03:52:46.320
oh this is nothing to her nothing something to me oh please my most privileged child
03:52:57.440
give me money no fuck no tribute she's got she's got buku cash but she's not fin doming
03:53:03.760
she's got buku money anyways let's move it on um what were we gonna do there was i think i just
03:53:08.640
bought some more screen time with that hundred tribute so you have to say thevioletrix.com and my
03:53:14.240
book can we pull my book out since i made a donation that costs way more you you gotta you
03:53:18.960
gotta drop a thousand you gotta drop a thousand if you want you know take another sip rime ruminate
03:53:25.440
back on the australian girl circle back to the australian girl yeah we're gonna move it on to uh
03:53:31.280
hold on let me see we got uh we got the chat here coming in momentarily from all paladins uh hold on
03:53:38.480
also guys oh my god i don't need the dei did you say my ron what on me it's like i haven't heard
03:53:45.600
that since i've watched the sopranos what does that mean i got a ghoul madonna
03:53:49.680
i got a ghoul it's an italian um maron is marana oh maron it sounds like maron but it means
03:54:04.080
madonna i don't like that kind of talk you hypocrite livia and she was a whore she was a whore
03:54:12.640
she was a whore a gumar oh okay we have this chat here from lol paladins
03:54:19.600
oh question for the w and and a player i'm sorry aren't you happy that you got where you are because
03:54:27.360
of your talent and not the color of your skin affirmative action is bad pilots should be hired
03:54:33.120
for the same reason no i i agree that people should be hired because of their skin or because
03:54:40.320
not because i did the same thing oh shit you see how it's not that telling oh shit the truth comes out
03:54:48.800
i do not agree that people should be hired for their skin color i don't believe that you should be saying
03:54:58.400
that people who support dei do not have the brain capacity to get their role and so they have to take
03:55:09.760
a white person's spot i do not agree with that that is that in itself is a racist statement
03:55:18.720
saying that those people do not have the brain capacity and so they took a white person's spot now
03:55:24.160
affirmative action sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry we we linked too long on the dei dei stuff uh
03:55:32.640
was that chloe roma i don't know who sent that in thank you andre thank you for the okay normally
03:55:36.880
it's below the threshold oh it's canadian money too bro you you want me to say tabernak send in
03:55:43.680
send in uh send in the tts 200 streamlines.com slash whatever tabernak i'll say it wait i just said
03:55:51.120
it fuck damn it he got me clip i'll say it the proper way okay let's see here let's get into some
03:55:57.280
of the pre-show notes actually wait we have to do no let's do pre-show notes okay who do we who goes
03:56:03.280
we have snow you're snow yes okay you do sex work and insurance yes i do okay uh
03:56:18.080
you had like you want to talk about dating while being a sex worker
03:56:23.520
wait here i'll help uh most men don't want to date a sex worker
03:56:26.480
they don't know they don't know depends about who you tell you don't tell everybody do you oh
03:56:34.320
my god you withhold that shit yikes holy wait wait wait oh she just oh she hasn't even made a claim
03:56:40.960
yet you'd be surprised oh it's boring okay well everything else in your i need pre-show notes
03:56:45.920
are kind of boring too wait do you tell the men that you're dating that you're a sex worker
03:56:50.000
um you do understand two arrangement two of my relationships out of 100
03:57:02.880
fuck off okay hold on wait one two three one two three oh boy four
03:57:11.920
i think i've been with five people like in a relationship keep counting what the
03:57:16.080
what the fuck is brian two people two people i've told but that was
03:57:23.600
young dumb and you'd be surprised how men do not care i would not like now if i was dating somebody
03:57:31.200
now i wouldn't tell them or if i did tell them they would have to accept that and still support
03:57:39.360
anyone should have to accept that like how how should how am i supposed to make an informed
03:57:44.160
decision about my life if i don't know but do you know what anybody's really doing because most
03:57:49.840
girls that are on tinder hinge bumble they're also on seeking arrangement it's it's just packaged in a
03:57:56.000
different form what do we call it sex for for money sex for privilege sex for power sex for status
03:58:02.960
it's all just how you package it they're all doing it it's just who's being forthright about it
03:58:08.240
yeah i don't i don't agree with lying about lying to anyone you're with about anything like at the
03:58:15.760
end of the day if you're physically with somebody else and then you're going to physically come be
03:58:21.600
with somebody else they should know that they're you're not exclusive that is that is an informed
03:58:27.200
decision that is what they're doing what they're coming upon that person to get themselves tested and
03:58:33.040
all the right because you don't know what anybody's doing you don't know what anybody's doing
03:58:37.920
even even if like a prostitute is clean i don't want even if she's clean to date a woman who's a
03:58:45.840
prostitute and he might want to he should be able to make that choice okay but let me let me let me
03:58:52.960
you don't but i'm saying you should be able to make that choice i do or i don't pose it to you a
03:58:57.200
different way just like someone who's trans has should divulge up front relatively quickly after
03:59:05.280
establishing i'm just saying yes because if there's a danger it's someone in sex where i tell
03:59:11.760
everybody i'm offended everybody but i'm also married but someone in sex work has to be very
03:59:17.040
careful because she's setting herself up predatory men will do nothing but serve her up she'd be
03:59:22.800
serving herself up on a silver platter we have to remember after at the end of the day she's a
03:59:27.040
she's a mom she's a single mom she's a female oh oh let me just hey tinder date i don't know you but
03:59:33.520
i'm a sex worker bam i mean wait they're gonna think about it they're gonna what what are they
03:59:39.440
gonna do what they're gonna do lord let me count the ways yeah but a relationship getting into a
03:59:45.760
relationship you don't have to wait no one said relationship we're saying the early stages wait but
03:59:50.640
hold on if you're if your argument is about an argument uh related to safety the most safe thing
03:59:56.320
you could do is allow the man to make an informed decision ahead of time before he gets bamboozled
04:00:01.600
into dating a woman who's like fucking other people doing it correctly in the first few dates nothing's
04:00:07.760
happening if men if men were doing this the way we used to do it old-fashioned by the time it got to
04:00:13.120
intimacy he would know if he jumps in bed with her oh please ryan with the men that are on the dl do you
04:00:21.120
know that all my clients 99 of them are married vanilla men and they're low virtue men no they're
04:00:28.480
not some of these guys i have billionaires there's really great men who i mean stop it's baked into this
04:00:42.080
the example you provided married men are seeking me out for sexual services that's in contravention
04:00:47.760
of a marriage you should that's absolutely that's cheating it's baked in that's not my business
04:00:53.440
like if i was just hooking up with somebody just to hook up with ryan and they were married or in
04:00:58.560
a relationship then i just wouldn't do that a man who's married who calls me because he likes to wear
04:01:03.840
panties and doesn't want his wife to know i'm not with him i'm watching him on camera i'm just on the
04:01:09.120
phone is he cheating yes he's low virtue guys that is so juvenile that is so ignorant you guys don't
04:01:17.840
realize how much of the population is indulging in this this is your doctor this is your next door
04:01:23.040
neighbor this is your employee you guys have no idea i get that i get that but that isn't a
04:01:34.080
my point still stands it's still you guys think it's sexual you guys think it's all sexual you
04:01:42.000
guys think it's all sex would the wives be upset if they found out they were doing it i ask every one
04:01:46.320
of them have you involved your wife well i tried early on in the marriage she couldn't understand it
04:01:52.640
so i found it's better to compartmentalize these things they're not all sexual first of all fetish we
04:01:57.920
don't choose let me tell you how fetish is born kink and fetish we don't choose what we're attracted
04:02:03.120
to something way back in pre-adolescence happens and we get hard locked in the psyche okay okay but
04:02:12.720
so my position would be if you're married to somebody then there should be like an open line
04:02:18.480
of communication and perhaps initially if you like bring this to your partner like look i get it people
04:02:23.600
are sexually repressed or whatever but i think the foundation of a good relationship would be like
04:02:28.480
some degree of openness to like varying degrees of sexuality so in this case if you're a man i mean
04:02:33.840
it depends no it depends the degree of like what the fetish is or whatever but like i think it would
04:02:41.440
be fair if a guy has a foot fetish for example and he's married to his wife and it's a loving caring
04:02:48.800
relationship i think first step would be bring well i don't think there would be really any steps
04:02:53.360
afterwards bring it to your wife first and then have an open conversation about it that's what i
04:02:58.000
just said maybe she's willing to engage in your fetish this is such this is many many episodes
04:03:04.720
onto itself i can't begin to scratch the surface of what i do psychologically for 20 years a woman
04:03:10.000
wrote me on tiktok tonight earlier today and she said you know more pam than most psychologists because
04:03:16.400
what i see the veil when i pull the veil back what i see the average psychologist isn't seeing
04:03:23.200
okay and i deal with everything from guys who were molested by their childhood best friend's
04:03:28.960
father on a camping trip and they are in a relationship but they can't get off until they
04:03:35.040
i deal with every possible case scenario but you are naive if you think like abnormal psychology here
04:03:42.720
like i mean they need healing they don't need to be cheating on their wives in that way
04:03:47.680
that's healthy to indulge those kinds of but you tell me have you been have you been sexually
04:03:53.440
assaulted by your best friend's father he was calling me to talk through these things listen you
04:03:57.920
guys can judge at the end of the day i don't take anybody's money it says fin dom because that's the
04:04:03.280
only thing you can say on social media i am not just a fin dom yeah okay okay so back to the original
04:04:09.040
point uh generally speaking i think most men don't want to be involved with a woman who's a
04:04:14.000
prostitute escort sex worker etc like most men to be clear i'm not saying that you guys i know you're
04:04:20.960
married i know you have plenty of men who would love to be with you what i'm saying is when i'm
04:04:25.680
saying most that could be like 51 i think you'd be shocked at who's the just to be clear sex workers
04:04:32.720
have no shortage of men who want to date them but typically these men tend to lean more towards being
04:04:40.480
low virtue men most high virtue men don't want to date sex workers daddy right now my heisman is
04:04:46.320
the vice president of a global biotech he's got a phd in organic chemistry just because you're just
04:04:50.240
because you have high status or a lot of money doesn't make you high virtue i'm not but i'm not
04:04:55.840
i don't know your husband i'm not saying anything my husband was dating a playboy playmate before he
04:05:00.080
dated me i was a single mom i was living in back in pennsylvania she was a baby
04:05:04.640
and i was very very careful as to what i let him know and when i ultimately told him what i did he
04:05:11.440
said well i have more respect for what you do than the average playboy playmate how about how about this
04:05:16.080
then i'll go ahead and let's just go ahead and grant for the sake of argument that you know what
04:05:21.120
most men are fine with women being prostitutes and they'd be happy to date them and marry them
04:05:27.840
well okay fine sex work i'm a cyber fin dom which is different she's a prostitute
04:05:34.880
which is how this conversation started you said you you do escorting that's prostitution i know i
04:05:39.600
know but you would call it an escort prostitute escort sex worker we can pretend this stuff doesn't
04:05:44.560
exist we can pretend if you want to sugar if you want to sugar areas no there's different brian
04:05:49.440
there's truly you're an escort she does sex work there's truly different you're that's prostitution
04:05:54.240
yeah like okay fine i look for example i'll be i'll be fair i don't think a woman who's a lingerie
04:06:00.160
model i won't call her a prostitute she's not i don't i from my definition i don't think a woman
04:06:06.720
who posts lingerie photos is a prostitute is she if it's like on only fans she's a sex worker she's
04:06:12.880
not a prostitute you do escorting definitionally that's prostitution i'm not using that in a pejorative
04:06:18.800
sense prostitution just that's what it is i would argue though though you know what i'm prepared to
04:06:25.520
make a prescription forget i'm not even going to speak descriptively prescriptively i don't think men
04:06:31.120
should date sex workers why whether they should or they shouldn't this is what's happening and the
04:06:38.640
problem is in the uk in germany in netherlands switzerland yeah this is all totally acceptable it's
04:06:46.080
here in the united states that we clutch our pearls yeah and those societies here okay that
04:06:50.640
doesn't make it right it doesn't make it right but it's happening and you guys that are pretending
04:06:54.960
like it's not no no no i'm not pretending you're not at all if you think it's not happening left and
04:07:00.640
right the liberal the liberalization in all the countries you listed you said the uk the netherlands
04:07:05.520
germany i mean they're about they're literally like a generation from losing their fucking country
04:07:10.400
like what does that have to do it has everything to do with it because it's the liberalization of
04:07:15.360
these countries the united states was founded by religious pilgrims seeking religious freedom we
04:07:21.440
are still a young country we are not ready for these conversations my sickest clients are out of
04:07:26.960
germany okay great let me just no surprise there no surprise there germany will literally be lost
04:07:32.480
within a fucking generation i'm telling you i'm just telling you how it is i'm telling you i wanted to
04:07:39.040
tell you something that i agreed with what you were saying about how there is some form of
04:07:44.800
prostitution even if it's for that bag um that house you know you don't really like him but you
04:07:54.240
want that house you want that car you want and you don't want to you know he's going to give you the
04:08:00.800
money to do it and all you have to do is sleep with him or pretend to be his girlfriend or be his
04:08:06.400
girlfriend my marriage is a perfect example of this so i just wanted to look there's no dispute that
04:08:13.600
sex workers or former sex workers or whatever it is can have happy marriages i'm not disputing that
04:08:19.840
but what i'm saying is yes you are no you hold on it's possible um i'm just saying that i don't
04:08:28.080
think like prescriptively if a guy like if my male do you have sons i do not i mean i have her boyfriend
04:08:34.480
who i raised for five years if you if you had a son like if you had to choose between a woman who was a
04:08:41.600
virgin verse and just like a normal gal virgin girl or like a woman who who had prostituted in
04:08:50.960
the past and she slept with like 300 men brian you're talking the wrong person because a virgin
04:08:56.400
is going to be a whole cacophony of problems because she's never experienced anything and
04:09:00.960
she hasn't begun to live her life that is a woman who's why does sex determine if she's
04:09:07.440
because my mother was one when she married my father and i lived this no no you guys don't
04:09:12.080
want to come at me with this stuff but let's test it let's test it out so okay i'm even willing to
04:09:16.880
grant that it might be the case that the woman who's a virgin maybe she doesn't have a lot of
04:09:20.320
relation relationship experience and because of this you know maybe she makes certain mistakes in a
04:09:25.680
relationship whatever sure maybe like a woman who does have past relation relationship experience
04:09:31.920
might be better suited in some capacities but the comparison here is between a virgin and a woman who
04:09:38.400
previously was a prostitute and slept with 300 men for your own son would you tell him if he had to
04:09:43.840
choose between two two women date the prostitute or date the virgin who would you tell your son to date
04:09:49.840
i have two words for you answer the question first thank you mary magdalene what hold on okay
04:09:56.880
first off that's fake news she wasn't a prostitute secondly no no she she listen to me okay you are
04:10:02.880
asking you are asking something so completely brian i answered the question i would never go for the
04:10:08.880
virgin because the virgin wait ask me a question ask me a question genghis khan did does that answer
04:10:16.400
right i answered the question i said i would never go for the virgin mary magdalene is a mute point
04:10:20.880
because she intentionally changed her life right she changed her life she was this and she's
04:10:28.560
stopping this there's and went to be this we're never right but initially we're talking about honesty
04:10:35.440
we are not talking about like yes men are going to date sex workers they're going to go to prostitutes
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they're going to watch porn they're going to do all of them all of them and if you think they're not
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no that's fucking i'm not i'm not saying stop stop stop stop there's high virtue men that don't do
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any of that shit get that out of here so anyways back to this answer my question do you want your
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son to be with i already answered this three times the prostitute you'd prefer your son to be with the
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prostitute over the virgin i mean you're asking you're asking a sex worker that question so like of
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course she's going to say that but the issue is no i'm not because i was raised conservative
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catholic are men going to do that or not the issue initially what we started talking about was the
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honesty why why really isn't this what we're here for isn't this what we're doing you you letting them
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know telling what they're getting into that you're a sex worker watch out she boxes at least eventually
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when it gets serious that's the thing is again i bring a very unique set of circumstances my mother
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was a virgin when she married my father and it didn't work out well my father was known as the
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legendary lothario it did not work out well and that's doesn't mean it's not going to for anybody
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else that's one testimony that's one that's one example it's my it's my controlled experiment i want
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to ask the rest of the panel here uh you have a son he has a choice between two women i know
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it's a hypothetical whatever prostitute who's been with 300 men for work or virgin girl which one do
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you pick starting with you your son who should he date who should he date subjective it is that's
04:12:15.360
a very subjective question to me okay let's just assume uh their person like uh let's say they're both
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good people former prostitute whatever both good people who should he date still subjective like
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well yeah it's a hypothetical i'm asking you to engage in the hypothetical my son is it depends on
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you know who these girls are like to me he's your son that's who he is i don't matter he my son could
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be you know a fucking dick artistic he could be autistic wait so because he's a dick then he should
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which one should he get because he's a dick it depends on his life whoever he's going to get along
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with more depends on his life experience like in my opinion the question is very subjective like it
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all of it okay is this subjective would you prefer your son date a woman who uh is like has severe
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mental illness or a woman who's mentally stable mentally stable obviously but it's subjective
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hold on what if it's subjective and that's true what if my son's autistic then i don't want him being
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with anybody like wait hold on whoa that's a crazy take but it's not hold on wait hold on autistic
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people can find love what i'm autistic i should be able to clearly you're autistic thank you appreciate
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that but no it's a superpower why would that be an insult my yeah but she was saying if her son's
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autistic she wouldn't want him to date somebody what wait no no no no no no like severely that's my
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whole family even severe autism whatever who cares they can find love they can't consent to sex
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uh severely autistic people doesn't equal sex okay wait hold on they can't sex they don't mean
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love severely autistic people means experience now so are they people with down syndrome have
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beautiful relationships i'm not an expert in autism so how the fuck did we get stop stop i'm not an
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expert in autism or whatever so like is it actually the case that like you are so gone that you can't
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consent if that's the case no it's a spectrum you okay fine great super extreme great super
04:14:09.840
extreme example i'm i'm prepared to make the claim that the majority of people who have diagnosed
04:14:15.360
autism can consent to sex okay next well no yes that is very true okay great that was an extreme let's
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fine okay people who can't consent to sex shouldn't consent to sex next that's yeah that's okay great
04:14:28.160
yeah but i i do believe that a lot of these questions are subjective so that's okay uh who
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who would you prefer your son with you're not gonna like my answer i'm i'm i'm on the same
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side as her subjective whoever's suited best who i don't think it makes a difference who who would
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you prefer your son i think it really goes situation by situation you know who the woman is
04:14:50.080
i do think that this can be depends it's not like a one-size-fits-all type of thing i think that this
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can be summed up as none of us think that that plays a role in it none of us think that's a positive
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or a negative part wait wait can i ask you a question sure do you have any difference towards
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like body count me like in a guy no really so you'll like so a guy whose relationship you for a long-term
04:15:15.280
are you monogamous yes okay so for a long-term monogamous relationship you wouldn't at all factor
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in for example a guy who is and was a fuck boy versus the guy who has a history of like one two
04:15:28.240
or three long-term relationships a fuck boy is different than having a high body count if if he
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is like you could be a fuck boy without a high body count yeah absolutely body counts probably worse
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no that's that's my point i wouldn't date a fuck boy but i probably would date someone with a high
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body count because the term fuck boy implies that they're not like treating women well no i don't
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mind if they're having sex with a lot of women you can treat a woman well and be a fuck boy i i
04:15:52.320
don't know i associate yeah right that term to me like it comes with being kind of a shitty person
04:15:56.720
right i don't maybe we just have different ideas of the term but yeah my thing is i don't care if
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someone slept with a lot of people so long as they've been respectful so long as they're kind
04:16:05.680
so long as they view women as humans you know i don't really care it's subjective what about
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you your son girl um the prostitute or the virgin i feel like with the it like what they said it's
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pretty subjective and it's also like your opinion me personally yeah okay i would like my wait wait
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hold on wait wait hold on let me restart this you're you're all right it's totally subjective
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it's totally subjective you still didn't answer the question answer the question i answered it yeah you
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answered it so if you had to pick one you have i get that it's subjective you're totally right it's
04:16:40.800
subjective if you have to pick one which one do you pick can i skip a question no you have to answer
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the question all right um the prostitute okay yeah fuck it the prostitute okay if you have to pick one
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three or four which do you pick uh the virgin all right w okay what about you tilt your mic down a
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little bit tilt your mic down just a teeny bit go ahead um i'm gonna pick the one that's safest and
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healthiest for him which is the virgin okay what about you yeah the virgin what about you the virgin
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what was in the majority prostitute hooker 304 popular doesn't mean right it was i said what was
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the majority i didn't say popular well i'm the tiebreaker that would be the majority the majority
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would be the most popular whatever's the most popular would be the majority like majority i am
04:17:38.640
super sad that this is coming off as neat little boxes because none of this fits into neat little boxes
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and your moral high ground over there i am really sorry to tell you that a lot of the people that you
04:17:50.000
i'm sure find morally superior are probably my clients no no no no no i did not say anything
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about moral superiority other than you should be honest about what somebody is getting into i don't
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disagree with you okay so that was my whole entire point is that if you are going to do sex work and
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engage in a relationship with someone i agree then you should disclose that to that person it can't be
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done straight out of the gates that was my whole entire like okay first date you
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you know on the on the dating app or whatever no uh yo jay i'm sorry for the delay i was
04:18:27.200
i wasn't looking at my computer let's do this one more time yo thank you jay you're a
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legend sir glasses up for charlie you hope city grab a popsicle double where's your backwash
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champagne uh i'll pour you some more because we're getting another champagne bottle so i'll pour it before
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i yo jay sorry i didn't mean to overtalk you there before you not one step back jay sorry for the delay
04:18:49.920
on this i was just so engaged in the convo i missed it i'm i'm sorry all right and we have some tts here
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too also delayed andre andre donated two hundred dollars brian let's have it covered
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osti the tabernacle chair one osti i don't know what osti tabernak is that good what does that mean
04:19:11.120
the tabernacle chair huh yeah it's a champagne bottle what does that mean tabernacle is the thing behind
04:19:17.200
the altar uh the holy eucharist tabernak is that good is that good by the way because of the delay
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andre insulted i'm not thank you the tabernacle chair oh it means
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what does it mean i just it means the person with the moral superior high around that has the holy
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eucharist okay so anyways um andre sorry for the delay which i don't know who they're referring to
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andre sorry for the delay on uh if you andre for for 10 if because it there was a delay on your tts
04:19:52.880
andre uh if you want to send in a 10 i'll treat it as a tts because there was a delay getting to it
04:19:59.920
i apologize we have the joker here too this applies to joker too donated 200 okay girl on the right
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share one you look like harley quinn so hot i would be your joke why so oh bro pick a card red and i'm
04:20:14.720
your man that's your boxing name and i'm your man yo chat tell the the joker we have a rule if you
04:20:20.400
simp for a girl you have to pay the sim tax you have to send in another tts to pay the syntax that's
04:20:26.000
her boxer name harley quinn actually wait because there's a delay on his tts
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your syntax is just ten dollars oh right uh why don't you get that going oh my god these champagne
04:20:40.080
bottles let out did you guys hear that the little it doesn't pop god no that's before you swig out of
04:20:49.600
it brian all right push it push it more thank you there we go wmb flavor with a reach thank you
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all right sorry guys one sec let me pour this and then felicity will i don't know do things okay
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pass it down thank you thank you appreciate it okay that was oh yeah uh olivia you guys yes you're
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gonna read this one for us it's not the case oh we're back i'm so sorry i cannot it's not the case
04:21:19.600
it's not the casement okay you read it yeah thank you it is not the case that men dominate just because
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of the physical strength all top chess players in the world are men um we have higher we have higher
04:21:30.800
calculation skills and spatial awareness of course you do okay okay okay he's right i i disagree okay
04:21:39.600
i can't do the sports again give me a break all right i'll read this one uh chair two just admitted
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that all the way no no no no no felicity stop we can't no the microwaves we can't chair two chair
04:21:56.240
chair two just admitted that all women are either open or closeted this is gonna be cold pizza
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and the almond yeah are depraved of i can't read it it disappeared brian made it disappear wait who here
04:22:08.400
wants pizza um anybody want pizza can we do after we're done yeah i was just getting roasted actively
04:22:15.760
roasted brian please bring anybody want any pizza now though oh yes you'll wait yeah we'll wait i'm
04:22:22.080
good oh she'll she wants one just okay give her one slice with a plate and napkin please
04:22:30.480
uh where were we did we read the one did we read the one from christopher chair two please i don't
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believe i want to finish the chair two this one did we read this one no something happened oh
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you just submitted that all women we did this one right i i didn't read the whole thing i'll finish it
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then the um the all men are depraved and cheaters the unicorn check your world view that's not at all
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what i said that's convenient yeah that's a crazy leap from what you said it really is and that's okay
04:23:00.640
because that's mostly what i get it would be hot well it's been sitting i just want to clarify like i don't
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have any moral high ground i have chosen to live my life a different way after living my life
04:23:14.800
probably i probably would have agreed with you guys on many many things so like i'm not trying
04:23:20.720
to say i'm better or higher than anybody i always have had a conviction that i believe that everyone
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should have be able to make an informed decision on what they're getting into even to the point where
04:23:35.040
i've been dating someone wanted to partake in other opportunities with other people and instead
04:23:41.440
of cheating i went to the person i was dating and i said hey i need an open relationship i know you
04:23:46.640
don't want one but if you're willing to participate in this then we can either break up or you're going
04:23:51.840
to be willing to participate you you wanted to be in open relationship yeah see that's now this is now
04:23:56.480
this is before before my life changed before i chose to follow jesus okay but i'm saying like
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the conviction of people should be able to make an informed decision on what they're getting into
04:24:09.120
i respected that person so much that i told the truth when i could have easily lied here's where
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because of that here's where we were we were saying the same thing we were just on a different path yeah
04:24:20.000
100 people should disclose that the problem is people are so afraid to disclose it as long as
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everybody keeps it in their pants during the discovery process it's fine the problem is
04:24:31.360
everybody's jumping into bed without these informed decisions so the women are protecting themselves
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but not divulging men are on the dl men are on the dl men are on the dl brian oh listen i know that's
04:24:45.680
real also it's a debate we're all being a little bit dramatic um no no we're not uh to uh to j
04:24:50.960
j saloo j great moderator legendary guy uh and just all-around gentleman and a scholar saloo
04:25:03.440
i'm like also the explanation for the microwave it interferes with our wi-fi signal and it'll damn it'll
04:25:12.320
the stream up in all our shit if we run if we run the microwave while we're uh streaming so
04:25:18.720
i can't do that okay uh we have a chat here from stifler unfortunately because reasons uh his
04:25:26.160
question stifler's question is rate your looks on the scale of one to ten you can't pick seven
04:25:39.280
i'd probably give myself a good probably a six okay what about you in the age 53
04:25:45.200
53 into the mic in the age 53 category we're gonna go a strong eight okay what about you ten okay
04:25:52.080
what about you bro you know your turn's about to be oh my god bro i don't
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why don't average oh sorry i i was a bit premature there cue the jokes uh i give myself a five why
04:26:28.800
don't average women like don't they just consider themselves average that's always confused me but okay
04:26:34.640
okay who are you referring to uh like almost everybody who
04:26:38.960
braiding themselves like more than a six or seven right can i comment sure go ahead um i've watched
04:26:48.320
quite a bit of these when they rate themselves and when the girls say 10 they always get flack
04:26:54.960
but i just feel like you're always going to be ugly to someone you're always going to be beautiful to
04:27:00.320
someone and if you truly value how you were made then you don't really need anybody to validate
04:27:05.840
because in everybody in their own way is a 10. like you may have not the most appealing face to
04:27:11.360
somebody but if your character is is amazing that makes you a 10. if your character's garbage but you
04:27:17.760
look pretty yeah that may make you lower so it just but it's relative if the framework and foundation for
04:27:25.360
the question is not just strictly about me me me me me and it's about okay some self-assessment of what
04:27:35.600
you think other people might assess you as and what the truth actually is then but the truth is relative
04:27:44.080
to who's saying it because if if if a man loves long blonde hair they're going to be think a long
04:27:50.320
blonde hair is a 10 over someone who has long brown hair with long blonde hair who are like all not
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tens i was just like the sole determine i understand where she's coming from i'm just making an example
04:28:00.960
like depending on what your preferences are what you're attracted to that's going to determine if
04:28:07.120
you think someone is beautiful or not if you think there are five versus the someone who strictly
04:28:11.280
likes latino women are going to think maybe black women are ones or it's it literally is just
04:28:17.680
the best way to do this controlled experiment is for brian to put up what he believes to be a 10
04:28:22.000
and then we can rate ourselves against that is that basically so brian what is average to you brian
04:28:27.440
because you always ask that but you ask on a scale of one to ten well which one is average five five
04:28:33.600
would be average five is average the middle yeah i just i i think that like say if if we were to rate
04:28:39.680
each other every single person would give um every single person would give every person at this table
04:28:45.920
different answers most likely like we're not all going to agree on something you could average it
04:28:49.920
out and come to sure but then if you ask a group of 10 different people you know like my point is
04:28:54.640
for you if you were to ask i'm sorry go on well your uh your the amount of people there you reference
04:29:04.080
10 is very low but if you do a hundred thousand for example if this was even possible you don't think
04:29:10.400
there would be any patterns no i mean i'm sure that there would be but i just do not think that there
04:29:14.240
would ever be a uniform answer and i think that this goes to show well hold on yes so i'm not
04:29:19.360
i agree that like one person might say like there's outliers right so somebody could say this person is
04:29:25.840
like a seven and somebody else might say that person's a three can i ask you a question though
04:29:32.240
sure if i were to ask all the women in the united states if they think donald trump is more physically
04:29:37.440
attractive than like brad pitt when he was 25 what do you think like do you think it would be
04:29:42.240
be purely subjective it's purely subjective that uh there wouldn't be any sort of this is wrong
04:29:52.160
okay that's great you don't think that there would be any sort of uh consensus well i'm sure that there
04:29:58.240
would be like i said i think what do you think the consensus would be i think that people would
04:30:03.360
probably say brad pitt is more attractive and you know what there probably would be exceptions but i also
04:30:08.640
think that if you were asked to rate brad pitt on a scale of one to ten people would say different
04:30:12.960
things you can guess a range sure but all of this goes to show that if we are defining like objective
04:30:18.560
beauty based on what the collective thinks and the collective cannot agree sure you can find an
04:30:23.280
average sure you can guess but the point is no one's like view is ever going to be objective we can't
04:30:29.680
come to a conclusion of what is most correct when it comes to something that like doesn't can't be
04:30:35.360
quantified in any real way well i mean so beauty it's not objective in the strict philosophical sense
04:30:40.880
but there are it's not purely subjective either so sure there are objective components to it yeah
04:30:49.280
there are like beauty standards there are uh you know just things which change depending on who you
04:30:54.320
are and where you are and what age you are absolutely who you're asking and all of the things where you
04:31:00.800
ask these things like i i think that well but even across cultures and time periods there's still sort
04:31:08.240
of generalized things that have always been deemed uh as attractive or beautiful things like symmetry
04:31:15.680
balance uh these sorts of things even across cultures there are things that would just make
04:31:22.640
regardless of your race or whatever it is would make you physically attractive in any
04:31:27.040
culture yeah in that case is is your argument that those are the only things that we can judge
04:31:32.560
based on if we all agree upon them because other otherwise they don't really hold much it doesn't
04:31:37.600
matter that we all agree because it doesn't hold any more weight than the things we disagree on
04:31:41.360
and if you go back in time like 60 70 80 years the the body of a woman that was considered beautiful
04:31:48.720
and healthy is going to be completely different than the body of a woman who's completely healthy right now
04:31:54.400
even if you go back to before the kardashians that beauty standard has changed drastically and so yeah
04:32:01.280
well they paid to look like that too i mean they didn't look like that in the beginning even they are
04:32:07.840
taking out all their plastics well not all of it but they're taking out some of their plastic surgery
04:32:12.480
but i think it's like yeah it's the case that beauty standards change over time but these are
04:32:19.280
typically like typically fairly small for example i don't think that uh for most of human history
04:32:26.080
obesity has d has been deemed to be attractive incorrect very correct very correct no there wasn't
04:32:34.720
there was absolutely periods in history whether it be the roman times whether it be old english times
04:32:40.800
where a zaftig we're having a plumpness denoted wealth wealth riches so they're attracted to that
04:32:49.840
not the actual that's a representation of something that's the look so whether you were plump you were
04:32:56.240
fat am i wrong on this there were very not wrong hold on but there were like first off back in that that
04:33:01.920
time people weren't like like you're talking about royalty and shit like kings and queens and
04:33:10.000
princes and princesses have you ever seen the queen victoria the the meme that always goes around
04:33:13.280
that she like the man that killed themselves because they couldn't get her did you ever see her yeah
04:33:18.080
do you think that people were marrying back then especially like the aristocracy or like
04:33:22.240
royalty they were marrying for looks or they're married look at the hapsburg dynasty
04:33:27.440
right exactly they were marrying hold on they were marrying for like some sort of political
04:33:32.560
or diplomatic benefit correct right it has nothing to do with the looks okay hold on you
04:33:37.680
very conveniently slide you like almost gaslight from one topic into another and you do this thing
04:33:42.960
and it's a very very slick i've never seen it before but damn i want to steal that move i'm
04:33:47.920
literally engaging with your argument okay but you do this thing where let's stick back to the topic
04:33:53.200
are were there times in history right and were there times in history where obese women chubby
04:33:58.560
women zafting women were the the it the beauty standard so i don't think we have like really good
04:34:05.600
records among like for example i so we can point to like aristocracy royalty and that yeah it could be
04:34:12.560
like a better political match for you to go with this princess and she's fat as fuck but she's like
04:34:18.640
going to confer benefits to your family and survival so that's a hundred percent different than like
04:34:25.280
i don't know what the peasantry was doing but i think on the base biological level obesity is not
04:34:30.720
like inherently something that's deemed physically attractive it was brian because yeah you're looking
04:34:35.760
to the outlier no and because of famine there were no but that doesn't engage with my conversation
04:34:42.160
yeah if you're fine don't guess okay hold on first off if you're starving peasant you're not gonna
04:34:47.680
whether you're a man or a woman you're probably not going to be able to pair off in a marriage
04:34:51.280
with a super wealthy person like a super wealthy prince or princess can the average guy looking at
04:34:56.320
a kardashian pair off with a kardashian no you're the one citing to you're the one citing to
04:35:01.120
historicity and like princes and princesses in the 1500s what i'm talking about is you're saying oh well
04:35:08.160
it implies that they have wealth okay the peasantry class didn't have access to wealth period your
04:35:15.360
initial question is problematic because you said why can't average looking people ever say they're
04:35:23.040
average so in your point of view yes this is a very average yeah so in your point of view
04:35:32.080
that's in your opinion right that this panel is average that's your opinion so according to you
04:35:39.120
we should have all rated ourselves five thank you no not all of you five but i'm saying generally
04:35:45.280
speaking maybe one of you is one or two points above okay but we can't pick seven so it's actually
04:35:51.120
a great point you know like and i think i think this is here's how i look at it let me ask you a
04:35:57.200
question yeah which of the women here do you think is above average all of them not fair i'm not doing
04:36:01.680
that don't don't do it i'm not doing that here's here's my philosophy here's my philosophy no no no
04:36:07.120
hold on hold on stop stop stop stop do you think all the women here are above average don't do it
04:36:12.720
i'm not answering that well because i'm not because again no i'm not i'm not refusing to engage i'm
04:36:19.680
saying that just because when i said your question was problematic my opinion doesn't matter as long as
04:36:27.840
i'm sure she is a 10 to her husband and that's all that matters she is a 10 to her fiance that's
04:36:35.360
all that matters my teammate used to say i may not be a 10 but i clean up well and that is how i look
04:36:41.680
at it you might not call me a 10 on your personal pretty scale and i'm okay with that because i ain't
04:36:47.120
trying to do nothing with you on that level but if you give us the brian prototype for 10 we will all
04:36:52.400
measure ourselves against the perfect brian prototype for 10 right and and you know what
04:36:58.880
these these girls that you have sitting behind you they're beautiful give us and they're probably
04:37:04.160
closer to the average 10 than i am which is why they're sitting behind you and that's okay
04:37:11.520
that's okay what's your average time beautiful they're both beautiful i'm not gonna fight that i
04:37:17.040
i don't need to be a 10 on your personal pretty scale i could give you a couple women who are
04:37:21.040
please do please give us yeah so i would say like uh you know megan fox and when she was younger like
04:37:31.040
like maybe like young anna de armas or whatever a lot of people say she's very beautiful uh so these are
04:37:38.640
you know perhaps women who a lot of people would consider 10 so yeah sure maybe adriana lima when she was
04:37:45.280
young beautiful gorgeous yeah no no so it's like but i want to kind of dig in on the one woman who
04:37:51.040
called herself a 10 you said you're a 10 uh can you tell me another woman who you think is a 10 um
04:38:02.400
everybody calm down everybody oh brian i'm sorry i don't know i understand i understand what you're
04:38:08.160
about to say to me um yeah what am i about to say i am not i if i'm if we're trying to claim we're
04:38:14.000
talking objectively and shit i don't think that's possible but i do genuinely believe that she is
04:38:21.360
the most beautiful she's capable of being i think that i but i do genuinely believe she's beautiful
04:38:26.320
this is not to be kind right i am not looking at her and thinking like oh i need to make her think
04:38:31.360
she's pretty that's not what's happening in my head the discord please the looks resources time
04:38:37.440
my opinion here is first of all you did not ask us what we think the majority of people would
04:38:41.440
rate us if you asked me that i would answer something different i think it ought to be the
04:38:45.520
same thing no i i view myself differently very different questions everybody's view is different
04:38:51.680
okay well what is um i guess if that's if that's true then uh what is uh i am so sad how does this
04:39:00.560
manifest itself in entitlement how does it manage that's a good question i would love to
04:39:06.880
that's a good question though now that is a good question that's that's the crux of it so
04:39:14.720
if somebody believes them themselves to be something that they just are not then they feel perhaps
04:39:23.440
entitled to a caliber of person that based on their looks or whatever other metrics they have they will
04:39:32.080
never get that person i believe being realistic and pragmatic is better than being being idealistic
04:39:40.800
and delusional always you're syrian yes my roots are mediterranean sicilian italian syrian i had that
04:39:50.320
nose i had that nose i changed it the beauty ideal the standard okay this to me is absolutely beautiful
04:39:59.360
it is all no it's all completely subjective wait hold on if it's beautiful why did you get a nose job
04:40:04.080
you've just defeated your own opinion and i'm looking at her going at the time you know i was
04:40:10.560
being made fun of this that and the other thing i caved to a beauty standard did i make the right
04:40:15.760
decision brian you're not a woman you don't have any idea what we go through but you don't want to
04:40:22.480
hear my opinion on this i think male beauty standards are harder to achieve than female
04:40:26.000
right now no question case in point you no question but here we have a situation no i'm
04:40:37.440
teasing you brian you're in sweats right now no i'm look i'll give you an example so if we look
04:40:41.280
at celebrities can i just finish no no let me let me respond to your thing now okay so okay if we look
04:40:45.760
at celebrities and we look at uh you know movie stars actors actresses we look at them you look at
04:40:52.560
superhero movies superhero movies typically cast the top tier celebrities that we have and we know
04:40:58.320
that when it comes to hollywood when it comes to movies looks are so important if we look though in
04:41:05.200
terms of achievability between male superheroes versus female superheroes uh it's way harder to
04:41:12.560
achieve the male aspirational body type than it is to achieve the female aspirational body type who
04:41:18.560
says depicted who said okay you look at like female superheroes scarlett johansson or whatever
04:41:24.640
you just need to like diet and maybe do some pilates classes if you want to if you want to have
04:41:29.120
what's chris hemsworth is that the guy who plays thor you literally need to do steroids you
04:41:33.840
want to be a wolverine he does steroids they all do steroids this is so subjective to your genetics i
04:41:40.080
mean diet it's literally true these guys and also they treat the gym like a full-time job and it takes
04:41:47.200
years and years to achieve that kind of physique as a man literally 18 year old women have better
04:41:53.280
like naturally without fucking doing fuck all have better bodies than like female depictions and uh
04:41:59.280
female aspirational body this is so apples to oranges like i hear you it's literally true it's
04:42:04.320
it's absolutely the the amount of women that have that ideal genetic type like more women have
04:42:11.520
that body type than men do i also would love to am i wrong real quick i don't think that superheroes
04:42:15.920
are the best example superheroes are not made to be the most attractive they're capable of being i
04:42:20.160
think that a good majority of women don't want super buff men okay this is like something yeah yeah
04:42:24.880
this is like a huge thing women don't want super buff men the reason that we're seeing about the size
04:42:29.040
down there the reason that we're seeing this in superhero movies is because male superheroes their
04:42:35.600
idea is to be this like you know inspirational thing for young boys they're like this cool character
04:42:40.320
that does good cool things right and then women are kind of put on the screen to be like sexy
04:42:44.080
you know um they serve different purposes in film because of misogyny but it is not because
04:42:50.000
well now we're talking about two different things we're talking we are but i'm trying to explain to
04:42:53.440
you why that difference shows up hold on but we're talking about the male gaze or versus the female
04:42:57.760
gaze so like would you agree that women do certain things with their look with their looks that appeals
04:43:03.440
to the female gaze versus the male gaze like for example we always do hold on buccal i don't know how to
04:43:08.640
pronounce it buckle buckle fat removal buccal fat removal whatever the fuck it's called uh women
04:43:13.040
do that shit for other women men don't like that fucking look that's fucking terrible
04:43:18.880
it's any of the fat in in the face lip filler men don't like that there's a lot of things women
04:43:24.000
do that men don't hold on so any of the fat in here the women have it removed so that they
04:43:29.840
can look chiseled we're all going to get there eventually but they're removing the buckle fat and
04:43:34.400
now they look super chiseled uh who's the um hadid girl gg hadid they all know the other one
04:43:41.200
they all want to look like bella but the thing they don't realize is between your 20s and your 30s
04:43:45.520
the buckle fat dissipates like she has beautiful contour now like a beautiful face as she how old
04:43:52.880
are you thank you 20 i'll be 29 oh both of you oh 29 and how old are you 19 so in the next 10 years
04:44:00.640
you guys will see that the face will thin out and the buckle fat will be gone but i don't disagree
04:44:05.680
with what you're saying brian but we're we're comparing apples and oranges i mean men and women
04:44:10.320
superheroes angry feminist donated 200 i hate the rating question because it shows how narcissistic and
04:44:18.080
delulu women are stop making us look insane you all fall for it because you are stubborn and need to
04:44:25.120
be right and you make us look stupid look wow you used to do real guys stop stop if you're just
04:44:33.920
fucking saying some bullshit prattle to each other stop unless you're making some like palpable
04:44:39.680
contribution or substantive conversation stop with the fucking bickering with each other like i warned
04:44:45.120
you multiple times god damn you used to do real estate right i've had a real estate license but my
04:44:51.200
father owned a lot of real estate my husband and i own a real estate portfolio and you would agree
04:44:56.160
that the market dictates the cost of a house 100 right so for example like let's say something like
04:45:02.480
the market would say well this house and you might agree that the market would say it's between the
04:45:07.120
range of 400 000 and 600 000 correct maybe maybe that's a bit wide i was gonna say that yeah close the
04:45:13.360
maybe it's like uh 450 to 550 something like that i don't know maybe that's still too much of a wide gap
04:45:19.120
right what if the owner of the house though says you know what i don't give a fuck what the outside
04:45:24.080
world is telling me this house is worth three million dollars and i'm not gonna settle i'm not
04:45:29.280
gonna settle for anything less than three million dollars is that house ever gonna get sold yes because
04:45:36.000
when the right person comes along it will it will sell or it won't but the day you buy a home you put a
04:45:42.240
for sale sign in the window and eventually if someone wants it real estate a home is an emotional
04:45:50.960
real estate is an emotional purchase to a woman real estate what so just to be clear have you
04:45:56.320
represented a client and i'm sorry let's talk triple net leases my father on the fud ruckers across
04:46:01.600
from hershey of the hershey medical center okay let's talk triple net leases commercial properties
04:46:06.400
great you're saying i used to do real estate what do you what do you want to know sure okay you want
04:46:10.640
to talk commercial real estate because you said triple n okay cool triple net you know what a triple
04:46:14.400
net lease is and then triple n triple net yeah same triple net it's yeah triple triple n triple net same
04:46:20.080
thing what is it brian it's commercial leases what does a triple net lease specifically denote
04:46:27.680
there's three nets to a triple net it's the tenant pays the rent utilities the taxes and the
04:46:35.520
improvements that's a triple net lease okay i did my father's 40 at 40 year triple net lease
04:46:41.280
so if i have an office space and i say and the market value for that office space is like
04:46:46.800
three thousand dollars a month to rent the commercial space or whatever but like here i am some
04:46:50.880
fucking landlord and i'm like you know what this is the fucking and it's actually in the slum or some
04:46:55.680
shit this is one day that you know oh my god this this property here uh you know what i'm going to rent
04:47:01.120
this out for uh for for fifty thousand dollars a month but the market would say no it's worth three
04:47:06.720
thousand is it ever going to get leased you can only do what the water level will bear what the market
04:47:11.600
will bear you can only do what the water level will seek for the property for the estate for whatever
04:47:18.960
it is so there's a certain amount of emotional is it commercial is it your home women will buy well
04:47:25.040
they'll pay more because women base real estate decisions on emotion brian you don't like i think
04:47:31.920
you're pandering to your male audience here to bury us i'm not pairing so so i really would love to
04:47:37.680
hold on i'll explain like this so i agree that you can like price your property a little bit above
04:47:44.720
market value and you might get a buyer you might get a buyer right it's still going to be hard
04:47:50.400
sometimes these people come out they really like the property maybe there's something special
04:47:53.680
whatever but like if the elevation to which you're asking for a property that would otherwise cost
04:48:00.080
one million the market value is one million and you price it at five million you did real estate
04:48:05.600
you must agree with me that if you've priced because i have a perfect story to this if you've priced a
04:48:10.720
property at one million you're not going to get five million for it i have a perfect story to this
04:48:15.600
you don't want it it's anecdotal give me your exception to the my father was dying a couple
04:48:19.760
years ago he's in the hershey medical center i fly home i look at his i look at his portfolio and
04:48:24.400
i said dad you're gonna put a wawa in the fud rockers but you gave them three years of free rent to
04:48:30.560
do a triple net i said the fuck you supposed to live for the next three years so i said this is a
04:48:35.760
terrible deal his partner his italian partner he didn't speak to in 40 years wouldn't wouldn't sign
04:48:40.160
off i said i don't blame mr catalone for not signing this my father had two tubes in his
04:48:45.440
kidneys wouldn't his penis catheter what does this have to do and he tried to strangle me
04:48:50.640
hang on he tried to strangle me for saying this the bottom line was i was absolutely right and when
04:48:56.560
i said to him what you need to do is i got his partner to agree to sell his share and i said you
04:49:03.040
got to tell everyone that you're dying and you're going to take the highest bidder my father was able
04:49:09.040
to go out and market the fud ruckers and smoked property by saying i'll take the highest bidder on this
04:49:15.120
commercial property thereby selling it for two to three times more than it was worth because it
04:49:20.960
was the opportunity to buy the gateway to hershey at that time so it's subjective to the situation i
04:49:26.480
don't care about the exception to the rule generally speaking is a is a property and all
04:49:31.920
the houses around it are valued at a at a million and this house is valued at a million and you put it
04:49:37.360
on the market for five million generally speaking is that house going to sell no it's not sorry
04:49:42.160
can i please chime in here why can't people i don't get why with this exception
04:49:45.360
bullshit look the point i'm trying to make with this is if a woman because of her own
04:49:52.400
whatever she thinks she's a 10 cool uh is that going to then entitled her to thinking she can get
04:49:59.040
a caliber of guy that she ain't ever going to get commitment from yes there's leagues what i would
04:50:05.840
like to say here i think that a major problem in this whole conversation that kind of negates
04:50:10.480
everything that's been spoken about beauty does not equate to value yes people can like value that
04:50:16.000
you should be attracted to your partner yes absolutely but i'm not in pretty privilege no
04:50:20.400
of course i do you think you do you genuinely think that 10 out of 10 beautiful women don't
04:50:27.840
fare better when it comes i do believe in pretty privilege do they not so so beautiful women and ugly
04:50:33.840
women have just as much options just as many options no i believe in pretty privilege but so this
04:50:39.440
would seem to no position so what we're referencing is in relationships right i do not think that
04:50:45.040
anyone is dating someone or staying in a long-term relationship purely based off of physical
04:50:49.760
attraction that doesn't work that's not functional sure this is a female projection i think a little
04:50:54.160
bit is it now well i think i think so men the men care about less things than women do but those
04:51:01.760
things that men do care about they care about them quite a bit so your argument is that men are more
04:51:06.720
shallow my argument is that men care about looks more than women do so they are more shallow yeah
04:51:13.360
yes well there's other there's other dimensions and metrics by which women can be shallow sure i
04:51:18.720
mean okay by this like for example i think women i think women care more about money than men do
04:51:24.240
sure in terms of what they want in the partner are women more shallow because of that okay i personally
04:51:29.760
believe obviously i rated myself a 10 right do i think that everyone else thinks i'm a 10 no absolutely not
04:51:34.240
yeah but yeah i also think that i have an awesome personality i think i'm funny i think i'm charming
04:51:39.680
i'm super kind i'm really cool i'm intelligent um but i do not think that because i personally find
04:51:46.400
myself attractive i don't go around thinking like oh my god everyone's gonna want me if someone sees me
04:51:50.800
and thinks that i'm hot right i that doesn't necessarily like that's not always a good thing if
04:51:56.080
they just want to date me because i'm hot that's not someone i want to date anyways yeah i agree that
04:51:59.520
there's other components to relationships than just looks but obviously physical attraction is a
04:52:04.960
massive part of dating otherwise there wouldn't be a trillion dollar cosmetics industry to to
04:52:11.200
basically uh uh what's the word for it to trillion dollar cosmetics industry to placate the insecurities
04:52:18.960
of women as it relates to your physical appearance well it's because why do women
04:52:23.920
spend trillions of dollars on cosmetics if they didn't so is it women spend way more money on
04:52:30.720
on cosmetics are women more superficial no i think that women are taught from birth that their looks
04:52:36.080
are their most valuable asset and that they must look a certain way to get anywhere in life i don't
04:52:39.760
think it's true but i do think that that is something that is instilled into our brains from
04:52:43.280
a very young age and it takes a lot of dismantling to get past that do you buy makeup it is true me i was
04:52:48.320
not not anymore okay okay great so you're at least you're consistent there yeah cool i was gonna say
04:52:54.000
i would agree with pamela when she was saying how um uh how you were saying how when they get the
04:53:01.920
the buccal fat or whatever that it's other women who essentially make them do that so i don't even
04:53:08.320
know i know for a lot of people it may be men that encourage them to wear makeup and do all the things
04:53:13.360
but honestly i think women get on social media i think they get on all of these things and
04:53:18.080
start comparing themselves to other women to these unreachable standards because either way
04:53:23.360
you're gonna feel empty the more you keep trying to change yourself because you're not okay with who
04:53:27.840
you are on the inside so at the end of the day it's just a food chain we're all trying to find the best
04:53:33.360
provider the best man right the same way the man's trying to find the best woman to have his children
04:53:38.800
and take care of the home brian let me ask you something if you were to marry you would need not just
04:53:44.480
the virgin because we know this that you would want like the really nice girl but you would need
04:53:48.320
the strong woman who you know could take care of the home right wouldn't you need a very strong woman
04:53:54.000
strong i don't know if strong is the right word that you know that if you had to travel she could
04:54:00.160
take care of i'm saying the the virgin is like the ultimate manifestation of in terms of that male
04:54:06.880
desire purity but like i would date a woman who's not a virgin but i mean it is a consideration like
04:54:12.640
a woman's body count but it's not like i must date a woman who's a virgin no but what i'm asking is
04:54:17.200
don't you need a capable woman that if you're traveling say you're doing a podcast around the
04:54:20.800
world you have to know that she can take care of the kids in the home something catastrophic happens
04:54:25.520
you have to have faith in this woman so there has to be a modicum of strength i care about other
04:54:30.320
things besides just looks yes so okay that's what i'm saying it's not just about being the ideal 10
04:54:38.560
it's about so many other yeah i agree and i think like for example i mean some men fall for this all
04:54:43.920
the time they see a pretty face but she's like a terrible person and they're like they still go they
04:54:48.800
still pursue it and that's a recipe for disaster um i think you should look physical looks comes first
04:54:56.560
but if she's a terrible person you shouldn't date her like i'd much rather date now obviously there's
04:55:02.160
extremes right it's like okay well well brian would you date like a one but she's like the most amazing
04:55:07.680
person ever or would you date like like there is a point where there's just a threshold of she's just
04:55:13.520
not physically attractive enough that i would be regardless of how amazing she is that she i just
04:55:18.240
there wouldn't be that physical attraction there there we don't need to okay um
04:55:26.640
we don't sorry i lost my train no you said that there there has to be a level of physical
04:55:30.800
attraction yeah there needs to be a base level of physical attractiveness so even if like a person
04:55:36.720
who's like super ugly conceivably would be like a perfect match for me on a personality basis like
04:55:43.360
it's just a non-starter in the conversation so let me ask you a question let's say you got your your
04:55:49.040
brian's perfect 10 right you marry her you have a life with her something tragic happens to her that
04:55:55.600
changes every physical thing about her so now that she no longer has this physical attraction
04:56:00.960
where where's where's her value now oh the burn that's just that's the question i'm not
04:56:08.480
well first off i don't want to get married um why not that's why not that's not the quote that's
04:56:12.880
behalf of the person i want to spend the you know whatever mother of my children etc etc uh
04:56:18.480
uh i mean how crazy is this is the disfigurement
04:56:24.960
that's not even that tells me all i need to know about you
04:56:30.640
like god damn i'm crying i mean if it's such a change i mean you're talking about like
04:56:36.480
brian we went to relative earlier and you said relative didn't work but it comes to the
04:56:41.360
disfigurement of your india de armis or whatever it comes that is wild bro how is that wild how is
04:56:48.800
that wild you have such strong opinions about so many things but when it comes to something like
04:56:54.480
that which is a deep thing let's it's like oh well hopefully she didn't get ran over and you know
04:57:01.840
like is it a toe or a leg wait hold on you know oh let's let's test this out and see
04:57:10.080
wait let's see she's like a really bad burn victim like severe burns all over her body
04:57:15.760
and recognize her face like you can't even her ear is messed up like that bad
04:57:26.240
so like she couldn't bear me children or something is that no
04:57:29.200
no the big lady would be just head to toe everything i mean look that's it's a difficult
04:57:35.040
question i think it's a nuanced thing obviously this you're not gonna like this the hold on the
04:57:40.880
circumstances the circumstance i've never been faced with this sort of situation it's a super
04:57:46.080
extreme example it's honestly hard for me to actually say what i would do in that situation
04:57:52.320
conceivably it would if i stayed with her it would probably have massive yeah sure okay
04:57:59.200
well hold on let's test this out since you're all on your moral background no we're not the whole
04:58:04.720
point is everything has served stop respectfully respectfully i was i was about to make my point
04:58:11.040
you've cut people off yeah i'm the host i'm the host i will willingly cut people off as i see fit
04:58:16.480
as it is part of being a host to do so no self-control so there's plenty of self-control
04:58:22.160
but you guys look it's one versus eight of you because we got some christian feminists at the table
04:58:27.280
so anyways back to this whoa what yeah you guys are fucking feminists anyways covert feminists so
04:58:34.160
anyways absolutely not yeah yeah no i'd like to finish my point who here values good health in the
04:58:44.960
partner there you do like do you want your part like i don't know maybe you want your partner they
04:58:50.160
don't have to be like some super athlete but you'd like them to be physically fit
04:58:53.840
yeah okay so you if you get off your moral high horse a little bit uh if you were dating a guy
04:59:00.480
and at first he was physically fit but he let himself go after marriage and he became obese
04:59:04.160
would you stay with him uh absolutely okay yes so it wouldn't cause any conflict in your relationship
04:59:12.080
when this person who at one point like you don't think a a partner has some duty to maintain their
04:59:17.280
physical health oh i a hundred percent do and if he if something happened and he gained a bunch of
04:59:23.680
weight or lost his physical fitness then absolutely i would probably be less attracted to him at that
04:59:29.040
moment but you know what we would do we will work together we try to figure it out we would try to
04:59:32.560
figure out why now if he lost if he had some incurable illness and that's why he was gaining weight
04:59:39.040
or if he had a tragic accident as in our example and that is why he gained weight or that is why he looked
04:59:46.080
different then yes i would absolutely stay with him like that's not even because women are these like
04:59:52.400
moral these these creatures of of moral superiority where once they've made a commitment to the man
04:59:59.040
hold on once a woman has made a commitment to a man and his circumstances change or the circumstances
05:00:03.840
of the relation change they never break up women never break up with men women never divorce men
05:00:09.120
no one said that no one's saying that oh women all the time i got this one all women all the time
05:00:16.640
due to a change in circumstances divorce their husbands break up with their boyfriends so this idea that
05:00:22.000
oh no because of the change in circumstances in the relationship you can't like feel a new way about
05:00:27.520
your that's ridiculous no one said no overwhelmingly women overwhelmingly end relationships women overwhelmingly
05:00:34.800
initiate divorces true this idea that women are like they did fast this idea that women are
05:00:39.920
steadfast and sticking with their husbands through thick and thin no the moment shit gets hard that's
05:00:45.040
when the women peace out and they do it for far less than like may i please say something but you asked
05:00:52.480
me a man's change a man's change in his like financial status the number one reason for divorce
05:00:58.400
is because of finances we're not so the moment a man this idea that please i'm begging you i don't
05:01:05.040
care about your exception honestly the point is this this idea that oh my god brian yeah if there was
05:01:10.560
like a massive i don't know what i'm giving you the honest answer i can't definitively state what i
05:01:15.680
would do in that situation i can't definitely i can't definitively state that's fine if she's
05:01:20.640
literally fully covered in burns and i'm going to be the caretaker for the rest of her life
05:01:24.720
i don't know that might be too much for me to handle i've got my own fucking problems but that
05:01:29.920
means she as a person as a human being as a soul did not have actual value to you thank you if her
05:01:36.080
exterior change that's in her as a person did okay that's just him being human i assume you care about
05:01:42.480
your producer very much right as if we're making if we're gonna yes i'm gay for nick go ahead i'm gay
05:01:50.080
for him go ahead it might be a solid relationship okay fine i'm heterosexual for him go ahead
05:01:57.200
if something about him change is that gonna make you value him less as a person and say oh man you
05:02:03.040
might not need to be my producer anymore yes if he walked over here and took a shit on the table i'd
05:02:07.120
fire him okay that that's not even comparable but i thought i thought at the beginning of this we
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couldn't make wild comparisons but apparently that's you know i deep dove you and you were
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like a skinny young kid like saying nice things to people on the street years ago when did you become
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so jaded how is this i feel like you you speak from a lot of pain there's a lot of pain behind
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and i said at the beginning i value you so much who hurt you
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when i first got here when i first got here i said to you i value you so much because i watch
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you run around here and get this stuff done yourself 4.5 million followers and you still
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do your own stuff that's so impactful and that's wonderful and i admire you but how you have spoke
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to women it's it's like you always want to just be right because you don't let any woman in to tell
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you attaboy yeah like we have to be able to see each other's point of view whether we disagree or
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not and just discount your point of view but you're but you're condescending about it you won't let it
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in and you don't let you you're you're blocking you guys you've been dogpiling this entire panel's
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been dogpiling you for the entire time you've been gaslighting us left and right we haven't been talking
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about you we haven't been talking about you define gaslighting you've used it a couple times how
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am i gaslighting okay do you know what gaslighting is it's from the 19th i'm asking for your
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definition okay gaslighting is from the old movie with uh angela lansbury and um who is it yeah
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define define it okay gaslighting is when it's the old expression when a husband would convince a
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wife that something was one way and it absolutely was not and it was the way they could get a wife
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committed to an insane asylum and then go off and marry someone else that's the definition brian
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whether you like it or not that's the fucking definition okay so you have been gaslighting us
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what did i do specifically everything we've said you ask a question and then you gaslight
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us you don't mind you've uh there have been multiple times where you've been like no one
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no one gives a shit about you know you saying you ask a question being subjective no one gives a
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shit about you know your subjective opinion didn't say that yes yeah i didn't say that but all of a
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sudden this is it matters when it's subjective to you right yes literally not true at all yes that is
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true no my my issue was your refusal to answer the question we all answered or or ask you personally
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like it no you guys when i asked you a question i gave you a hypothetical you had two choices only
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two options and then you said it's subjective i agree with you that's true subjective so i'm not
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denying that it's subjective that wouldn't be gaslighting but i'm right here was the gaslighting
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you got to stop interrupting so but when when i come back to it and i say well i agree that it's
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subjective but still answer the hypothetical you didn't agree it was subjective until 15 minutes
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into us beating you down on subjective and when she went down her rabbit hole there was no dispute that
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it was subjective right you you didn't maintain a straight trajectory it didn't the conversation
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you went into because you're pandering to your misogynistic following men uh okay let's let's engage
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with the misogyny or whatever so first off these are my actual beliefs i'm not pandering to anybody
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if i really wanted to pander trust me there's a bunch of things that i could do to pander do it
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i don't do it oh for example the fact that like probably 80 percent of my audience is christian and
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it would be like super beneficial to me and especially financially beneficial for to me to lie that i'm a
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christian but i'm not prepared even though it would be beneficial are you christian i'm agnostic so i have
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pro-christian sentiment i have pro-christian sentiment i don't have any issues with christianity
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i think christianity is actually very beneficial but i'm not and actually a component of christianity
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actually is telling the truth so i would never lie for the benefit of and it trust me a lot of people
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grift and claim they're religious or whatever um but i don't have negative thoughts towards christianity
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but trust me if i came out okay i'm starting a ministry blah blah i could grift the
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fuck out of being a christian and since my audience is actually very religious that would
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benefit me so that would be like the biggest grift i could do but i don't do it okay i don't do it
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not because just to be clear again i have pro-christian sentiment but i'm not there yet in terms of my
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belief in what were you raised basically agnostic
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i don't okay so anyways so i'm not pandering also there's plenty of things that i disagree my
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audience disagrees with me on too like i was i got into a pitbull fucking debate the other day
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half my audience was like unsubscribed i don't give a fuck i don't think charlie i don't think you're
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pandering i just sometimes don't don't think that you realize what you're saying and doing
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with the conversation like for example you asked me if i would stay with somebody i answered in a
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way that did not agree with you and then you went on a rant about how like it you disregarded my answer
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and then went on a rant about women in general being exactly the opposite of what i did yeah my job
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here is not to like pat you guys on the back and put on the kid gloves and like affirm every single
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thing you say here this podcast is adversarial in nature you guys have watched it you know what you
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got into so yeah yeah i but i'm not pandering here my but you guys like i just don't think you guys like
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i don't meet the definition it doesn't meet the definition of gaslighting whatever i'm doing
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disagreeing with women is gaslighting okay no it's not that it's you take it down a path we we
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we broach the subject and you take it down a path that works for you you make it
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conversationally positive to your agenda not necessarily the facts that we're presenting and we
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are dismissed which is our our roles from the day we enter this earth we are dismissed our opinions are
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dismissed this is supposed to be the place that we came on to be not be dismissed to be heard but you
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gaslit to your agenda you were the host and you can do as you please easy basically yeah yeah that's
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how are you pandering to him but but what's your what's your genuine what do you think your genuine
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purpose is for this podcast like what what's your ultimate goal when you have conversations with these
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women what's my ultimate goal yeah like what are you trying to accomplish yeah the objectives you had
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one thing you were trying to accomplish what what would that be with these conversations yeah i mean
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there's a couple different answers here i wouldn't say that there's just one so first off
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i have a youtube channel i want to put on a fun entertaining show for my audience but secondly i do
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want to engage like i will i have strong beliefs as it relates to society as it relates to dating i think
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dating is completely fucked up i think there's a lot of wrong with dating and i'm tackling what i view
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and what as i say in my intro the dating hellscape making sense of the dating hellscape through
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conversations obviously i have very uh very deep roots i guess you could say as it comes to what
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i believe i i have firm beliefs this isn't a change my mind this is uh i want to argue with you
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because i think i'm right that's what this show is about it's not yeah that's perfect i'm so grateful
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that you said that that's so honest yeah i'm so grateful i love that i'm not i'm not going to
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stephen crowder change my mind no firm beliefs let's just argue about it that's fine that's me
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charlie did you kick that second backwash champagne because i'm not driving home
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i'm the pastor uh no we're good no look no more alcohol look i mean the the anyways i don't know
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let me get things back on track here a little bit just to move things along um you're doing great
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we love you the discord we'll do the discord do you have the age stuff nick the ai stuff okay uh
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really quick just because the objectivity objective subjective came up uh pull it up nick
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um okay so wow this is oh this is really don't worry she's problematic she's how's it problematic
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she's aboriginal so anyways um what does that mean well you are you trying to say it's like
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problematic because she's black or something the anthropological study that just came out as to why
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men why men die earlier and why we wait i want to know yeah tell me why
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also male sperm dies more quickly no no i'm dead i'm dead serious no guys because their
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fucking wives drive them fucking insane but okay why women go through menopause stop procreating
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but live longer there's an anthropological study that came out that what does it say it said
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that the value in the matriarch by being able to pass on the customs the learnings the teachings
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of the tribe are more valuable because there is no reason for a woman post-menopause to be able to
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live but that these societies were born and bred by the matriarchal passing on of the the the history
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the customs the how you make certain things for survival it was anthropological what's what's the um
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what but you know the men also need to hunt isn't that what you do pull up facts for your boss wait
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i don't i'm confused though so anthropological study why women live past menopause why men die young and
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what is the purpose of allowing women to live hold on would it be the reverse then so if it is the case
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that pull it up please no no but i i'm trying to understand the the like framing here so it your
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your position is is that anthropologically and i disagree with this i think women throughout all
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life whether they have children don't have children absolutely provide value to their family and community
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so mike if it is the case though anthropologically after menopause when women can't have children
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wouldn't that make the case for the reverse that women should die sooner which is why science
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couldn't understand what was the reason that women were living longer and it was to pass on the
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traditions for the survival of the species the survival of the tribes you can argue i'm not the
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i'm not the anthropologist that doesn't that literally doesn't make any sense men have access to
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language also what it's not language how do you pass you pass on the it's the secrets of what the
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women have done in the child rearing the stories the recipes the clothes making all of the things
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that it's not even worth looking at that that's completely incoherent yeah it's men men can pass
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wait men can pass on that knowledge knowledge also they're out there i'm i'm not the scientist i'm
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not the archaeological archaeologist that came up with this study here nick pull up the other one
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there's a the sydney sweeney one okay they don't like it's problematic it's problematic you could
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you could have put her next to megan good you could have put her next to any you could have put
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her next to jennifer garner but you did that on purpose you know you did that on purpose you could
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have put her next to an older fat white woman and with no teeth you could have just done that you
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guys do this assumption thing where you think that there's like malevolent intent or whatever
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uh no not at all the case but nick pull up the other one okay do you object to this one i don't
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know she's maybe a latino woman or something is this objectionable is this problematic it's all it is
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because you're oh so you can only see anything wrong with the other okay so question would it be
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racist if i showed would it be so okay you're accusing me of racism basically no no no no no that's
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problematic i used a very specific term i did not say that so problematic don't put don't put
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those type of words don't okay so how about this so how about this hold on so how about this if i
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showed a rip if i showed a really beautiful black woman and a really ugly white woman would any of
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you had said that's really problematic no no no tell me to woman tell me yes i would have oh so it'd be
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problematic earlier i said when you asked me what i rated myself wait my answer my answer was that
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everybody is beautiful to somebody and everybody's ugly to somebody it's not inherently problematic
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because i can sit here and say there's beautiful black women and there's ugly black women there's
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beautiful white women there's ugly white women in your opinion but somebody who's ugly to you is
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beautiful to somebody no no no but my brian's perspective it's all you just but that's fair
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because you just said but you acknowledge that the woman on the left is ugly no i said it's problematic
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you even posting these pictures is what i'm talking about i don't know just okay but it wouldn't be
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problematic if it was two white women but one was beautiful one was ugly i gave you other options
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that you could have done yeah but either way why would you jump to a conclusion why would you attribute
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some sort of mal intent as it relates to race here's the thing when did i say race ladies when
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did i say anything about you literally it is wait wait let's test that let's test out the logic here
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i'm the one that said that whoa why uh why couldn't you have used what an ugly white woman
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and a beautiful white woman i said that's about race you could have used megan good you could
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have used jennifer garner who's megan good jennifer garner's a white woman i you could have used any but
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the the problematic part is that you're comparing two human beings when it's subjective who thinks
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who's beautiful and who thinks okay one is aborigine no i wouldn't be fine with it one is
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aborigine she's beautiful hold on so just to be clear though i'm a little confused you say why don't
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i use these other people so is the issue then for you it's not about race it's just about me using an
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ugly person no it's the fact that you're comparing two women okay i can compare two men and making up
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because what the point you i've compared every time i do this by you asking this you were probably and
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i'm not going to assume i'm going to say you were probably going to say okay which one do you think
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is more beautiful than the other yeah it's all about getting our women it's all about these women
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to compare the beauty of two women that somebody's going to think they're ugly somebody's going to
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think they're beautiful regardless oh no people women being their beauty being compared heaven
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forbid like women do this all the time too that's the problem there's never been a woman by women
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there's never been a woman spending those 12 trillions of dollars you remember that's that's the
05:16:54.880
problem here's the there's never been a woman ever who was like never in charge of like a marketing
05:17:00.240
campaign and you know i believe in i believe it pretty privilege is a thing so women absolutely
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engage in this it's not a sexist thing it's not a racist thing it's literally just looking at beauty
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no no no so so your position must be beauty doesn't exist felicity can you take the plates and stuff off
05:17:17.360
the table i got you i i i agree with that i'm the one i'm the one that that said it and it's it's because
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the why what do you guys have to talk about the the prevailing standard of beauty
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in america has traditionally been white women and the closer you are the proximity to whiteness
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depends on how beautiful you are looked at to be and so if you are if we're going to have a
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conversation about beauty which is you're right this is your show we can do whatever we can talk
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about whatever you want but it should not be a fat black old woman compared to a young skinny
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beautiful white woman aboriginal whoever it shouldn't it shouldn't be it's not about race it's not about
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race yeah but you say you say it's not about race but you're missing the the fact that in america
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the closer you are to the proximity of whiteness the more beautiful you are looked at as you're
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missing that dynamic and i understand i'm not trying i'm not one of those people that makes
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everything about race i hate making you just did about race no i could have looked at it i hate even
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bringing up race but i'm not gonna but i'm not going to acknowledge the fact that this is not a
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thing in america and you were about to play right into the hands of that stereotype so i'm just
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letting you know that you were i can sit here and say that there's hold on this doesn't even this is
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completely incoherent there are beautiful black women there are ugly black women there are beautiful
05:19:08.000
white women there's ugly i i agree how would that matter i agree can you name a few beautiful black
05:19:12.960
women why are we okay no no who is the girl in clueless i agree with that the girl in clueless uh
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stacy dash beautiful black woman uh look i'm not i'm not like i agree i agree with you
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what i need to oh my god i'm just i'm just saying don't i'm just saying don't don't put
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don't put a beautiful young skinny white woman again aborigines right against a dark skin
05:19:39.360
classically black featured with a big bigger nose and overweight black woman and tell us to compare
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beauty like don't do that because that plays you're right about race because that no i'm not making it
05:19:54.640
about race you literally that is i'm telling you that your comparison is playing right into
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what the stereotype in america of the the fact if he that proximity to whiteness determines your
05:20:08.240
beauty if we had put naomi campbell up against sydney sweeney right if that was if it was apples to
05:20:13.840
apples that's apples to apples that's not right then we're on the same way like then we're okay
05:20:19.760
right or you can't put an aboriginal woman you would have put or if you would have put an older
05:20:25.040
overweight somebody you'd consider you're the one reading into it as race again yes i could and that
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because you're telling me that i am crazy for saying this when i'm not the proximity to whiteness
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determines beauty in america so we're talking about race we're talking about everything bro i don't know
05:20:52.320
why you're facepalming when you're you're gaslighting me you're saying you're not talking about race but
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you clearly are talking i did not say i'm not talking about race i said it is not my goal to
05:21:02.240
make everything about race it's that is not my goal that's your question that's not my goal to make
05:21:06.800
everything about your question can a black woman be more attractive than a white woman yes like are
05:21:12.640
there some black women who are more attractive than white there's no question oh my god you're so racist
05:21:16.560
for saying that oh my god or it could just be the case not the same thing yeah or it could just be
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the case that there are black women who are more attractive than white women and there are white
05:21:25.920
women subjective is it subjective and i agree with that i agree with that i'm saying don't compare like
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if you're gonna put so you're making about race no no no no no i am not making it apples to apples
05:21:41.840
i'm saying that example that example ignores the fact that proximity to whiteness in america
05:21:51.440
is is looked at as more beautiful that ignores the fact and you're looking at this through a racial
05:21:57.760
lens no i'm looking at it through a factual lens if you look at america me a man that doesn't look
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at it can something be factual and racial too at the same time yes which is the point okay so you're
05:22:08.640
making so don't you're making it about race that's not gaslighting no i'm not making it about race
05:22:13.760
if it if there is a racial component i'm not making it about race i'm not making it about race
05:22:19.840
there is a racial component so it's about what you're doing
05:22:49.940
something. This is why we don't have these conversations
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The fuck would that have to be? No, I'm just asking.
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How many women over the years have you taken home
05:23:03.720
to meet your parents? A million. Okay, what's your point?
05:23:33.040
I know you want to get away from that ridiculous comment.
05:57:22.680
So you wouldn't date because of his looks like a normal guy
05:57:27.460
But I get flack because I wouldn't date like a 99% burns on the body
05:57:52.580
I think it's possible that material conditions could change to such a point that you would
05:58:29.720
I know that there's a really good guy somewhere in there
05:58:38.060
Black dick gave me a nice glow for six and a half years
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I just feel like being this way has made you coin
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We're not gonna be able to hit everybody's notes
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You've been in the Hollywood industry for years
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Like there's a specific way you come about things
06:04:27.680
Like the photo of the really pretty white woman versus the black woman
06:04:38.940
Like all of it just kind of feels very misogynistically rooted
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Hit the like button please on your way out also please leave a nice comment once the live ends while you're live
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I was being gaslit okay the gaslighting was fucking crazy anyways that was a tough one for me boys that was a tough one for me so I apologize to my staff
07:32:48.580
Look when it's a hard panel I just get sassy I get sassy I get sassy I get yeah I was sassy with look look I know when I'm being a dick
07:33:00.040
I know at least I am self-aware you can't at least I'm self-aware I shouldn't be a dick to begin with but at least I'm aware that I'm kind of being a dick
07:33:09.300
But that really doesn't help I mean you could say sorry
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I'm sorry you feel that way no I'm kidding I'm kidding that's a narcissistic
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I've had a stressful week a stressful month a stressful years
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This the pre-show with the girls no showing and