CONFRONTING Viral Gym E-girl! 50 Body Count At 21？! Makeup DEBATE! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ｜ Dating Talk #139
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In this episode of the Whatever Dating Talk podcast, we have special guest Maddie Ruve join us live from beachside Santa Barbara, California. Maddie is a 21-year-old fitness influencer, entrepreneur, and social media influencer with a passion for fitness, nutrition, and fitness culture. She is also the founder of a non-profit movement called Big Labia Matter, or BLM, which is dedicated to educating the public on the importance of fitness in the modern dating world.
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necessarily reflect the views of the whatever podcast so without further ado we're gonna have
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the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age occupation and location go ahead
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hi i'm maddie ruve i'm 21 i do only fans wait in location yeah like where where are you from oh
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california california so like uh orange county oh okay all right and you recently went viral uh for
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like what do they what are they calling you pulse squat girl that's the name of the gym the or or
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pulse that's what i was that's the name of the move that's the name of the movement yeah okay i was at
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la fitness okay and you you got how many views like across social media like 300 million or something
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300 million yeah yeah okay well we're gonna pull it up we're gonna we're gonna joey swole reacted to it
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so we're gonna see his reaction we're gonna see the original and we'll have a little discussion on that
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what about you um misra um 21 okay and i did only fans um i'm in between right now
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so sorry um i did only fans but i'm in between right now um and yeah where are you from um
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originally in turkey but right now riverside were you born in turkey turkey okay istanbul uh no
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uh ismir i love that place it's dope my okay and are you a student or um not anymore what were
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you studying previously um i was psychology psych okay yeah what about you my name is megan robinson
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i have a mindset coaching business and i have a podcast called lessons in self-love i'm 22 years
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old and i'm from washington dc all right welcome so you flew here i did first time to california no okay
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got it what about you hi my name is kendall i'm 19 years old and i'm a student where at i'm at the
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santa barbara city college what are you studying i'm studying communications gotcha and where are you
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from originally um i've moved a lot but originally from san diego got it what about you my name is
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kayla um i'm 30 i live in las vegas um i'm a stripper an author and i'm also starting real estate
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all right welcome um my name is kyla i'm 18 years old um i'm a student and i'm from santa barbara
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and uh what are you studying i'm studying business econ as of right now at the city college yeah got
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it okay hi thank you for having me my name is jordan i'm 25 my husband and i own a private gym
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in riverside we also do personal training online coaching entrepreneur i'm a wife and a dog mom
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and we're uh riverside you're you grew up born in riverside um yeah okay thank you uh the q pill
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behavioral scientist certified relationship coach youtuber entrepreneur author age 31 government name
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jaquan jaquan okay do you what do you prefer you want them to call you q pill call me q call him q
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call him q all right cool so we're gonna go around the table once more so what's everybody's
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current relationship status so you're single talking stage situationship friends with benefits
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relationship married polycule uh sex cult part of a harim is it harim or harem i've heard
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i've heard harim i've heard harim let's go chat chat is it harem or harim harim is ugly as fuck
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i thought it was harem for my entire life but then i started hearing harim
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so which one is a chat is it which one help us out ppc help us out in the chat first one wait
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okay one for harim two for harim one for harim two for harim one for harim two for harim
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okay so if you're in if you're in either of those um let us know if you're single how long have you
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been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you go ahead
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i'm single not talking to anyone not having sex with anyone and the longest stop the cap
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maybe lower it to 90 you're not having p in the v with anybody no i mean don't check my twitter but
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yeah i did check your twitter and they're on twitter you're having is that ai or are you saying
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that's ai no um i stopped seeing that person so currently i'm not hooking up with anyone so that's
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that was just like in your backlog no that was like a week ago oh oh so you had sex as recently
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as a week ago but i also stopped a week ago so you've been are you claiming celibacy yes i feel
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like a at least a minimum a month before you can claim celibacy okay but before that it was like eight
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months okay so okay you're was this a guy you were dating or was it just for work no i was dating him
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my friend introduced us to start dating and then she got jealous that we were seeing each other so
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she also started fucking him and then i said that makes me uncomfortable and she said i was fine with
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sharing and i said well i'm not so i don't talk to either of them anymore yeah how long were you
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friends with this lady a few months okay i yeah i have a hard time actually being friends with other
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sex workers which is funny because i find that these situations always happen so did you consider
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the guy that you were seeing your boyfriend or what was it just he asked to be exclusive and i said
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i'm not seeing other people but like i want like a little bit more time you want a little more time
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to what decide if there's something better comes along no i'm just like i'm scared of people you know
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you never know people slip up i have like a three-month rule yeah they might fuck your friend
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yeah okay uh well he was was he in the content adult content creation space yeah you met him he
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he was but not in an online way okay but he was also okay to like make and sell content with me so
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it kind of was like an l i'm not gonna lie for him or for you for me to make content with him yeah
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why is it now because you had to pay him or no because i only want to make content with a partner
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i you know i don't make content with strangers so but you'd made content with him yeah who was a
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kind of a stranger sort of i had known him for like you know oh okay a little bit all right well
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so okay you've been uh single and not talking to anybody for a week yes okay do you think that's
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going to reconcile or that's donezo um no it's done okay all right what about you
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um as of a week i'm in a relationship now as of oh so you've been it's like that wait are you
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seeing are you dating is this is this your friend yeah we have beef oh yeah i texted her she's a
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crazy cunt like what how many days ago no oh my god no no wait that's chat no they're just how's
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this nine inch cock though nine inches and girthy i noticed you're wearing a size queen
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hold on a minute shirt no i mean i i don't believe that there's actually a oh
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so you okay you've been dating a guy for for purposes of clarity for the audience you're not
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dating her guy no okay so how long have you been seeing this guy or like because you said has it
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been official for a week but you've been seeing him for longer or um okay so technically i've been
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talking to him for like a year um but he just came or like technically yeah he just came like a
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month ago because he used to live in turkey and so he moved to the u.s for me and then i was like
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now i can be in a relationship because i didn't want to do long distance but but so you first met him
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a year ago was this in turkey okay well or here i met him like a few years ago because he was my
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uncle what he was my ex's friend what your ex's friend like best friend but wait you met so while
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but he deserved it who deserved it like my ex why because he cheated on me
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oh so you're just with this new guy as revenge basically because that was like that was like five
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years ago oh okay so we knew each other back then um obviously we were friends and then um
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yeah a year ago then we just like we're just friends and i went back to turkey and i was
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there for like six months and so we were like seeing each other on off and then he officially
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like moved to u.s for me for you yeah why didn't you move to turkey for him
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i didn't want to so he likes you more than you like him
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maybe that's basically what it boils down to not i wouldn't say so because i think like it's very
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different because turkey it's not good economically right now so it's like no one would choose to
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yeah i think i can i think i can i think that's the one exception to the man moving america is
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better than turkey so i mean watch out all the watch out you're gonna invoke the wrath of the turkish
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do you want to apologize to all the turkish people that you've just
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fuck no america number one sorry okay all right so okay so he moved here so you've been talking to him
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for a year you said is that correct yes okay were you seeing were you seeing other guys in that one
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year period yes hey but it was on and off like you had an on and off again long distance relationship
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no i was in turkey for six months okay so for the first for the first six months okay so you guys
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were dating there yeah was it on and off again there yeah yeah so you've always been on off oh
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okay yeah he moved for an on again off again relationship yeah i mean i don't know okay all
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right so you've been he's been here for a week um he's been here for a month oh been here for a month
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has it been off yet no how's it is it any arguing so far no arguing did he move with you or did he
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move into oh so y'all live together okay okay good times okay all right uh okay what about you
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i have a boyfriend we've been together for about 10 months now and we just had our first session of
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premarital counseling like a week ago so we're very serious wait uh you and him went together to
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see a therapist no so premarital counseling in like the christian religion you have to go there and
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like talk to a priest for a couple sessions okay before like you get engaged so that you can prepare
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properly i didn't know that what what denomination it's a christian christian pastor
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protestant evangelical um this specific church we go to is just like a bible church i don't know
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so in order to denominational something like that in order to get married at that specific church you
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have to do like the couple premarital i don't think it's required but it's something that we wanted to
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do okay just to make sure we're like doing right by god in like the covenant that we have so love
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that huh how many sessions is it i think it's like five and what so what is discussed in so the first
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one he just kind of gave us advice because he's been married for like 40 years so he was just talking
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to us about like our relationship who we are why coyote 50 donated 100 what's up with kaiser wilhelm
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back there dude looks like he's planning to go around the magino line and invade france suspicious
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well you know here's the thing right so this is a chilean chile south america military uniform
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uh you know it has certain prussian uh military influences dating back to the early 19th uh 1900s perhaps
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even before and uh so he's thinking about you know i think he's looking at peru he's looking at peru
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um you know there's argentina's pretty close you know so yeah thank you for that appreciate it what
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uh go on you were talking about the meeting thing yeah we just had our first session so i'm not
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entirely sure what it entails but i know there's a section on like handling conflict and it also talks
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about like sexual stuff and how you're supposed to approach that so we how are you supposed to
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approach sexual stuff so we are not having sex until we're married and that's the decision that
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we both made like early on in our relationship um we want to do what god says is right in a marriage
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and we feel like sexual activity and that kind of pleasure and like the hedonism aspect of that
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is something to be earned from having like a good relationship and growing together got it wait so
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are you both virgins no but you guys have not with each other haven't had right that's correct any
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sexual intercourse that's correct okay um and so
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okay cool i feel like i had a follow-up question so okay
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why why the shift is my question so neither of you are virgins why all why go from having had sex
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previously to now we want to wait all the way until marriage
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well before him and i started dating so we were friends for a couple years before we started dating
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he actually decided like autonomously that he wanted to do a nine month period of celibacy himself so this
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was before like my influence he chose to do that and i was also going through a similar thing
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and when we started dating like right off the bat i just told him like you know i want to wait like
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that's just what i prefer and then as we grew in our relationship with god we made like more strict
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decisions about what we were going to do so it was a process all right got it are you guys engaged
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not yet not yet okay what about you go ahead um i'm in a relationship how long have you guys been
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dating like a month one month yeah what's your longest relationship like two and a half years
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when did that end like four months ago so you were single for about three months yeah okay
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so you're currently how did you guys meet your current situation um we met at a party party
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how long did y'all talk before y'all got in a relationship
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like a month so two you've known him for two months total okay who uh he approached you you
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approached him he approached me what was his what did he say he's like sup yeah exactly was that a frat
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party yeah is he a frat boy yes called it okay which frat sig app uh i can't say okay that's fine
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was it a foam cannon party a what foam foam cannon no it was like a it was a rodeo a rodeo theme
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yeah something like that so you came dressed as a cowgirl and he just saw you and got to talk to
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that cowgirl yep oh god that was sorry that was okay uh okay so
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my god it's pulling teeth tonight okay he approached you oh um yeah he approached me and he
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called me like really pretty and we just kind of talked and then we realized we were both from
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san diego we went to the same high school worked at the same job just like didn't even realize okay
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lives like six minutes away from me from home just like perfect match did you guys have a one night
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stand well not a one night stand but like did it go down that night no no the night after what
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the night after no it did not happen that night okay what about you um so i've been completely
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single for like two years um but i've been dating and since then but now my ex is trying to come back
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into my life but i don't like him i don't even want him single you said single for two years yeah
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longest relationship it was five years but i was like 15 to 20. any kids one one kid yeah
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is the guy who's trying to come back is that your no okay all right what about you i'm single
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my longest relationship was two years and a month how long have you been single uh
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for a year and two months one year two how many days me days yeah you said one year two months how
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many days hours minutes two seems like you're keeping track of when the breakup occurred
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who dumped who i dumped him of course yeah why um he just wasn't changing the things i asked him to
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change oh what and what are those um he oh gosh that was so long ago i feel like
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um he just wasn't really prioritizing the relationship he was more prioritizing other
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things not that like you have to prioritize me specifically like constantly but it was kind
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of just like he was putting me in the dark all the time so i just like had to respect myself and
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couldn't take it anymore but you said you asked him to make certain changes and he wasn't he didn't
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make those changes so what was it just the example that you provided were there other things
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um it was mainly just like he wasn't prioritizing prioritizing you like how often would you guys hang
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out um like once or twice a week depending on um the season because he played basketball
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how tall was he um like five five ten this was definitely high school basketball well of course
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okay wait so depending on this yeah go ahead so excuse me you said he was prioritizing other things
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what were the things he's prioritizing like his friends um yeah he well he was also like to be
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honest he was kind of lazy um he just like red flag um like we'd make plans and then he would just be
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like i'm really tired i just want to lay in bed we're so basically tired of um he was playing junior
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varsity basketball i mean give the cut the guy it wasn't even during that season cut him some slack
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he was tired after practice but also like i'm an extrovert he was an introvert we just didn't match
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word okay so you guys only so it's pretty much what you guys just weren't hanging out enough
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um it wasn't even just that i just like think that like over the span of two years after like
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constantly asking him to change certain things i just kind of got change what change what though
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just like him like prioritizing the relationship but you said plural change things besides that change
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what um i mean specifically i'm like trying to think i'm like blanking she mentioned lazy
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yeah he was just like attractive yeah like i would i would ask him to like go for like go somewhere to
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like do something and he would just be like oh i just want to lay in bed or like for example i he
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liked the dodgers i took him to dodger games and he um never did any of that for me like went to
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disneyland for my birthday my mom paid for my ticket he didn't pay anything not that you have to pay
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but i mean it's like 50 50 right and it was more 80 20 i'd say okay is it possible was he loyal to
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you um that's so funny you say that um yeah for as much as i know i mean i have my own reservations on
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things but that's what he says is it possible you were the side chick i definitely don't think so he
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for he for sure was definitely like like in love with me don't get me wrong he was a good boyfriend
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he just like definitely got too comfortable i think too comfortable okay all right what about you
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happily married for how long uh six months six months but we've been dating for like six years
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six years six months kids nope planning to yep how many don't know don't know okay cute what about
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you man single doing me whatever i want whenever i feel like it that's right
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all right cool so we're gonna get we're gonna get into our first uh actually you know what before
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we pull up maddie's viral no let's do maddie's viral clip thing first all right maddie
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okay uh so first off a couple questions there i noticed something uh
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your phone screen was cracked but i i have uh okay the kick the supposed kick right it looked
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pretty like a gentle kick not a kick that would sufficiently crack a phone screen so was your
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screen already cracked yes so you but you kind of framed it you gave it the spin where like he
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cracked the screen but it was already damaged my screen was already cracked and it got one more
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crack from from the from the slight kick kick okay not saying look it's not appropriate for him to uh
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to kick your property that's never appropriate um but that's one thing that caught my eye so uh
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you're doing that in the gym yeah okay and that she posted that it went viral
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well tell us a bit about the backlash okay any back any backlash any praise
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okay first we need to go back like two years because yeah let's go back there so we go back
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totally totally related no i swear we're gonna get there okay because this like will help oh my god
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that mic came out nowhere holy fuck if you think it's like right or wrong like you need to know like
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where the exercise came from yeah yeah right definitely so two years ago my friend's super
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into fitness i watch all of her stories she posts all this stuff she posted that exercise without the
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bouncing and said that if you can do this for a minute it's linked to longevity did i look any
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further into it no but did i start doing it like every day when i went to the gym yes okay as a
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stretch okay and then i was working out like probably a year ago and i was filming just for
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vlogging and then i realized that it looked kind of sexual and so i started adding like a bounce to it
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okay and i started filming it for reels but it still was a part of my warm-up and i had just you know
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added it for that um so that's where the exercise came from i still do it like three times a week
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doesn't matter yeah at that same gym or have you no i moved to equinox oh you moved okay do people
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recognize you when you're doing yeah doing that exercise yeah wait i have a question though okay okay
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oh why are you why are you looking at me now what the fuck i thought we're having a staring
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contest yeah but the the sound the sound thing ended so kind of put me in a trend
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you're tranced out so it wasn't it wasn't you know people be staging shit for you know it's not
00:31:36.840
you know yeah not stage no i do understand that wasn't the guy who just dumped you
00:31:41.140
no oh sorry oh sorry just flashbacks flashbacks no the guy that i was just with was like six
00:31:51.300
something yeah that guy was ryan holt donated 100 that clip pissed me off so much fuck that
00:32:00.660
entitled pos girl without natural selection unfortunately we have to deal with idiots like
00:32:06.500
smh can't believe you have her on but i get it views actually you know what maddie's here's the
00:32:13.400
thing she's been on before and i actually reached out to you to invite you back before the whole
00:32:18.380
viral thing like we had scheduled you to be on today's show like two weeks ago three weeks ago
00:32:24.100
before the before it went viral so it's kind of just happenstance that she happened to have this
00:32:28.640
yeah this wild gym moment um in between that but uh not staged not staged because like i just i
00:32:37.920
don't know q like i'm trying to figure out what
00:32:42.340
sorry go ahead i'm trying to figure out you why the fuck did you add the bouncing why did i add the
00:32:51.500
bouncing yeah okay because when i post it on reels it looks like i'm like riding a dick and so i always
00:32:56.820
put that clip with a caption that says wondering when i'm going to be recognized from my leg day
00:33:01.200
warm-up or from my videos based off my leg day warm-up on youtube does that make sense you just
00:33:07.220
said that yeah okay i'm sorry to the world i'm sorry for her i'll pray for her initially i thought
00:33:13.740
you said it looks sexual so you added the wait i'm confused you added the bouncing because people
00:33:19.200
thought it was already sexual so you just fit you just fit into it i started doing it like a long
00:33:25.200
time ago uh-huh i it always had the bounce when i was filming oh okay okay i thought you said you
00:33:30.040
added the bouncing when i filmed it like anytime i filmed it it's been the same thing oh okay yeah
00:33:35.440
okay so so it was to elicit sex yeah okay i mean it's also good for you but yeah sex is good for you
00:33:43.700
yeah so it's you know deep was it so you do of was it helpful in terms of procuring subscribers
00:33:51.380
that the whole viral okay um so i had like 281 000 followers on instagram yeah and then after
00:34:01.980
everything it went to 285 but on average a day i gain like 500 followers when i'm not like my videos
00:34:09.580
are just doing normal yeah so it gave me like a little boost and then my the money that i made for
00:34:15.880
the day for like four days doubled okay well so i'm gonna open and we have a video from joey swole
00:34:21.760
that i'll pull up after i get the panel's opinions on that you all saw the video so your guys's reaction
00:34:28.020
do you think is that a actual exercise do you think it's appropriate appropriate to be doing in the gym
00:34:34.720
do you think it's a bit a bit sexual you know because like if you saw a guy like doing like hip thrusts
00:34:41.240
you know you might be like eh it's a little i don't know if it's uh you know appropriate for gym
00:34:46.420
okay but before about or on valentine's day there were all these reels going viral and it was men
00:34:52.860
doing hip thrusts rolling out but they were just humping the floor and then doing this with a weight
00:34:59.180
that's all sexual they're all doing sexual things in the gym but every single one of those videos got
00:35:04.760
praise what what is the exercise they're doing like they're like spot they put like weights on their
00:35:10.940
like wow that's yeah and like that okay maybe you see someone doing that like whatever but like
00:35:16.820
humping the floor in a gym like i wasn't humping the floor okay i was riding it all right there you
00:35:22.980
go all right going around the table your reaction your thoughts i don't think there's anything wrong
00:35:28.220
with it of course okay also sorry i'm in full sweats making no noises no tripod hold on but you're
00:35:37.140
doing you did like the the like lip in the side of the mouth people make all kinds of faces when
00:35:44.140
they work out here pull it pull it up again pull it up again you're doing like a face like the the you
00:35:49.740
know the the i'm facing a wall though yeah go ahead you can mute the audio oh wait can you start it from
00:35:59.720
the beginning maybe well it's like right at the beginning yeah
00:36:03.980
we don't need look at that the tongue in the in the cheek there's something in my mouth that's okay
00:36:19.200
okay all right anyways so nothing wrong what your thoughts appropriate inappropriate i think
00:36:26.960
based on like the environment you grow up in certain things you do like one person would feel
00:36:34.080
comfortable with someone else wouldn't feel comfortable with i don't think i would feel
00:36:38.500
comfortable doing that but like if you feel comfortable then you know that's that
00:36:46.020
okay um i kind of i kind of agree with what you're saying kind of just it depends on
00:36:57.160
i also like feel like it depends on like the location of it too like if you if there was an
00:37:02.820
option to go into like a smaller room like a private room and do it like maybe that would be
00:37:07.560
more appropriate than doing it on the open but i also don't think there's like a huge problem with
00:37:13.260
doing it on the open so usually i do do it in like the rooms in the gym see that makes sense then
00:37:19.560
yeah that that's and like at this gym i went into the smallest corner like on the stretching mats and
00:37:24.660
like the corner corner of the gym yeah like i tried to be respectful
00:37:28.180
i mean i like it um i do like would i do it in the gym probably not um i like it
00:37:38.460
i personally like don't see an issue with it i mean like you do you like thanks girl
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okay so i'm an actual trainer so great mobility thank you good ankle mobility good knee mobility
00:37:54.040
um now if you were in my gym because i probably would say something too not like that and i definitely
00:38:02.640
wouldn't kick your phone um but it definitely does give like a sexual message for sure which
00:38:08.720
i'm sure that's what you were trying to do anyways but when there's like a public gym like you don't
00:38:12.900
know like a lot of a lot of women feel insecure about their boyfriends whatever going to the gym
00:38:18.780
because they might say something like that right so i mean in terms of like it being in a public
00:38:24.820
place i don't entirely agree but i don't entirely disagree either i'm more impressed with your form
00:38:30.740
looks really good thank you i looks really good so that would say i don't think it's my problem
00:38:37.080
that other people's boyfriends can't keep their eyes anywhere else in the gym yeah yeah i mean so i
00:38:44.520
mean that's not for me but definitely for a lot of people also hip thrusts men can do hip thrusts
00:38:50.420
it's nothing wrong with that yeah by the way it's good actually the creative hip thrust is a guy
00:38:54.980
it's attention 304 behavior 304 damn attention 304 behavior of course the women are going to support
00:39:04.460
it because girl power female empowerment but you know you're listening a sexual response that's the
00:39:10.360
whole motivation behind why you're doing it and we understand that men are visual creatures so when
00:39:14.620
you get in a setting around men and you do things like this that's why the guy came to you and said
00:39:18.300
this is not going to be done in my gym because he understood the underlying motive and what you were
00:39:23.140
doing and he didn't like it because too many women nowadays who are doing that trying to elicit
00:39:27.320
sexual responses for attention to make money on social media and it's just that simple i mean if
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that's what you want to do that's what you want to do but as you can see he didn't like it so yeah but
00:39:36.660
i wasn't harming anyone it doesn't matter it's not about it's not about harm it's about what you're
00:39:41.560
doing what you're what you're eliciting what you're evoking that's all it is so to play innocent as you
00:39:47.540
said in the caption what'd you say in the caption um what'd you say in the caption she was like i can't work
00:39:52.380
out in peace or something what'd you say in the caption what'd you put in the caption um i can't
00:39:58.580
believe i'm not here maddie why don't you read it i can't believe i'm not allowed to stretch at the
00:40:02.640
gym because of what i do for work do you guys actually think this was called for someone please
00:40:06.400
have my back yeah see it's the innocence it's the position of innocence that you took like oh my god
00:40:10.740
i'm just stretching i'm just i mean what you were doing dog in the corner of a gym in the corner of a
00:40:16.500
gym facing a wall you are gonna come up to someone doing an actual exercise that a personal trainer
00:40:22.420
has labeled as an actual exercise that's good for my ankles and knees i mean that's good it's good for
00:40:27.920
your ankles like are you gonna come after the yoga girls next like damn she's in downward dog fuck her
00:40:32.720
yoga is a little different is it yeah it's a form of exercise it is a form of exercise but you're not
00:40:39.140
actively trying to elicit a sexual response you've already stated that that's what you were trying
00:40:44.600
to do overtly you've stated that so once you've stated that's what you were trying to do that now
00:40:49.020
it becomes valid that's what you were doing yeah but it also is a stretch like you're saying i
00:40:53.140
was trying to elicit a sexual response yes but that's not true because i do that when i'm not
00:40:58.300
filming you're trying to do that same exercise you're trying to use the strength as a trojan horse
00:41:03.160
it's an exercise so it's actually not a stretch it's an exercise but if you hold it it's a stretch
00:41:08.260
if you just hold it by itself which i do both like i'm gonna read this one really quick grid
00:41:12.860
grid one motorsports uh fuck's sake if you want to be a stripper just get a job as a stripper this
00:41:17.380
304 is the lowest form of blank stop it get some help the patriarchy is here to help you be better
00:41:22.420
from grid one you have any anything you want to say to grid one the little grid one if you want to
00:41:30.520
be a stripper just get a job as a stripper i don't want to be a stripper i want to be an online 304
00:41:35.580
because that's what i chose to do i've been a stripper she chose i chose this the 304 life
00:41:41.700
304 life yeah you you didn't i think yeah i don't know what i'm trying to say i was meant for it what's
00:41:47.960
that destiny framing of it the streets oh i didn't show the streets chose me but i chose the how's that
00:41:57.040
go anybody you know i didn't choose the streets the streets chose me yeah that thing i would like
00:42:04.540
to defend you for a second i don't think like you being completely comfortable with doing that
00:42:12.240
i don't think that that's necessarily your fault because there is some accountability on you know
00:42:19.720
the gym and the higher-ups and just society in general to not normalize that kind of behavior
00:42:25.600
you know so if someone is not saying that it's bad and you don't even know that it's bad
00:42:31.420
like we're just accepting that and we're condoning it and we're enabling it that's true you got anything
00:42:36.960
more i know you wanted to have more cure you got i actually lost my train of thought that's it
00:42:43.100
when you came in okay but if someone comes back let me know came up to me and said hi this makes
00:42:49.580
me a little bit uncomfortable like i would be like oh my god i'm so sorry i was like you know
00:42:55.380
what i mean and also to the point of like what we've normalized and stuff and like what's okay in a
00:43:03.200
gym and what's not there's no rules against filming there should be though okay i think filming should
00:43:08.360
be banned in gyms in some gyms yeah i agree that there should be something you can go to and
00:43:12.920
there's no phones like no filming in that gym and you just know that that's the one that you go to
00:43:16.720
and other ones they do allow it and so other people can go to that one i don't see why gyms
00:43:22.740
aren't uh anybody here currently go to a gym do it is there any sort of filming policies for any
00:43:29.200
of the gyms that you guys go to it's shocking to me that gyms just having the wholesale
00:43:34.020
banned filming in gyms do you guys see that often when you do go to the gym somebody has their like
00:43:40.880
iphone uh propped up tripod even you guys see that at all no not really they banned is it just
00:43:48.620
fucking la that this shit is going down happening in just fucking people filming in gyms tripods are
00:43:54.500
banned tripods are banned in the gym that i go to currently okay uh pull up the instagram again i want
00:44:02.540
to read some of the comments let's see what the people the people are saying okay no one should have
00:44:09.280
your back uh put us on the other side no one should have your back on this one yeah people don't want
00:44:16.760
to see you making sexual content in public you got a follow just because of how that a-hole treated you
00:44:23.120
and again look uh assuming it wasn't fucking staged uh absolutely not appropriate for him to have touched
00:44:30.320
your property like that that's uh not cool and he definitely stepped you in a pretty aggressive way
00:44:35.400
that's not cool too uh even if he had an issue he could have approached you more diplomatically
00:44:41.840
i mean i would even argue it's probably like he probably shouldn't even honestly i mean i don't know
00:44:48.920
if he has an issue maybe he's got to go to gym management if he feels like he has a valid concern
00:44:54.640
because i don't think what honestly like look there's definitely a a lot of people doing like
00:45:03.020
ridiculous shit in the gym people are getting fed up with it that guy was probably frustrated
00:45:06.800
um but probably best to address it with the gym management directly um so yeah but i don't know
00:45:16.280
if you were like if you're doing something more egregious i don't know like fucking damaging the
00:45:22.140
gym in some way then he could like come up to you be like yo what the fuck you doing but i don't know
00:45:26.780
was that actually his gym or was no i think there's no way that's his pull it back up because
00:45:32.680
he could say that if that was his gym uh you deserve it he's right that's a real man i totally agree
00:45:37.780
with him okay these guys are a little more someone please have my back i'm a victim hopefully and her
00:45:42.880
she'll blame her all her mental health issues on others i have a question i mean i haven't done a
00:45:47.740
deep dive on all of your uh tiktoks and reels and whatnot do you frequently find yourself in kind of
00:45:55.160
public conflict situations in public like does this happen to you like you just get into
00:46:03.140
situations like this with people in real life yeah um is that not real life and
00:46:10.460
i'm like in video game or no um okay honestly no like i've never had anyone that's like has met me
00:46:22.980
okay besides guys that i've dated but not just like people okay in that i'm interacting with in
00:46:28.840
like a grocery store or this or that all right well let's pull it back up really quick there's a few
00:46:34.540
more comments then we'll see what joey swole has to say uh deserved coffee tea i'm gonna don't do
00:46:41.100
your 3fo shit in public place how come people don't see this as fake you're literally smiling the
00:46:46.500
whole time see i thought it was fake dude okay i thought it was fake the thing is when like a man
00:46:52.180
comes at you like kind of aggressively as a woman like you don't really have a choice but to be
00:46:56.460
submissive like what am i gonna do like argue with him when he already like got to a form of aggression
00:47:02.660
of like hitting my personal property it's just here's why i think look it might be real here's why i think
00:47:11.500
his kicking your phone is really disproportionate to what you're doing so it just seems like
00:47:22.400
contrived and then your reaction to it kind of like if somebody like kicked my phone i'd be like
00:47:29.880
i don't know people react in different ways but you
00:47:34.460
but you're not a girl and you don't see she doesn't seem confrontational well i'm not yeah
00:47:38.680
she doesn't she doesn't seem confrontational so i was like do you i mean i don't know i think she
00:47:43.380
might i don't know were you scared i was scared i was like shaking after i just grabbed my stuff
00:47:50.460
and i don't know i'm going home this place sucks oh you didn't finish your workout no okay all right
00:47:56.060
okay uh let's let's get the joey oh actually we have a couple chats hold on get the joey swole
00:48:02.740
already though we had a dose dostoevsky can you read this one maddie of course she was right it's
00:48:08.980
a public gym and why the hell would a dude be there just approaching women out of nowhere and
00:48:13.720
make some inflammatory remark while she's working out and then oh wait okay uh we have this one
00:48:20.440
you don't film in gyms uh and then this guy says if the gym is public then yeah you have every
00:48:28.620
right to film and you know anyways we have joey swole here he has some thoughts on it
00:48:39.280
grid one motorsports donated 100 let's be honest the craptastic video was staged better than the
00:48:48.980
2020 election results we get it you need to be a who to drive traffic i weep for our youth
00:48:55.440
may god have mercy on you may god have mercy on you thank you i don't think that's a true like
00:49:08.160
religious person thing to say though because like in the bible god always says you know don't
00:49:15.160
be harsh on them for they know not what they do and if there is an element of like naivety
00:49:20.600
wait is that verbatim i thought that doesn't sound verbatim to me don't condemn close we're not
00:49:26.820
yeah we're not supposed to judge or condemn i know this one it's uh wait isn't it like we can
00:49:33.100
say in a loving way for they know not what they do or hold on chat help me out here okay let's play
00:49:39.580
thank you grid one let's play the joey swole video
00:50:18.040
A ton of people sent me this video asking me who's right, who's wrong.
00:50:25.080
First off to this man, you have no right to speak to anyone that way.
00:50:29.480
You don't classify all women based off that girl.
00:50:33.400
And you absolutely never touch someone's property.
00:50:37.280
If you have a problem, you talk to gym management and you let them handle it.
00:50:43.680
The type of content she creates in the gym is not okay and not appropriate.
00:50:50.920
She tries to defend herself saying that she's doing pistol squats and warming up.
00:51:00.420
And then you go and say, why do we have to sexualize everything?
00:51:04.840
But you do, including when you did the exact same warm-up and said this on the video and put it in the caption, practicing every day to please you, daddy.
00:51:15.800
And a photo like this, bent over on all fours, where you say, let me sit on it.
00:51:24.660
You make money however you want as long as you do so legally.
00:51:34.020
If I was manager or owner of this gym, I would ask you once, politely, to stop doing that.
00:51:39.700
If you continue to do so, I'd ask you to leave to protect my gym members and my gym community.
00:52:00.100
I actually didn't watch his whole video through where he pulled up.
00:52:10.560
I just, when he said, like, you knew exactly what you were doing, I stitched it.
00:52:15.260
And I actually said, yeah, I was practicing to please you, daddy.
00:52:17.320
Which is funny because I didn't know that he pulled up to please you, daddy.
00:52:26.300
Like, I'm getting ripped apart on the internet.
00:52:32.480
But I didn't see where he pulled up my photos and screenshots of my videos and stuff.
00:52:38.440
But, like, those pictures of me in the gym is in an empty room.
00:52:48.740
So, like, I don't really see why that would be an issue in a gym.
00:52:54.440
But it's sort of like, I'm trying to think what the exact wording is.
00:52:59.240
There's a, it's sort of like additional circumstantial evidence against your case.
00:53:04.200
Like, okay, here, here's her taking these, she's got the subtitles or whatever.
00:53:19.880
A pattern of behavior of you going into gyms, taking sort of provocative photos with captions that are sexually provocative.
00:53:27.980
And then, all of a sudden, you're going to claim, oh, but this one, that's innocent.
00:53:48.700
I go into the corner of the gym, film my little thing.
00:53:54.080
So, like, to, like, just focus on this one thing at the gym ever.
00:53:58.480
Like, I saw a video of this guy doing those, like, bent over.
00:54:02.140
Where you, like, stand wide and then you just bend over.
00:54:07.580
Oh, when you, like, hinge your hips back and stretch.
00:54:11.640
He was doing, you know, he's doing those in the gym.
00:54:23.180
And I want you to give a message to Joey Swole.
00:54:53.720
Stop sending your army out to get me in my comments.
00:55:02.040
My comments got flooded with like Joey Swole's armies here.
00:55:17.580
Yo, we should get Joey Swole on the show and like have you guys do.
00:55:20.640
He lives or he goes to a gym down the street from me.
00:55:32.220
I think that's pretty much it unless anybody else on the panel has any further thoughts.
00:55:47.400
Disagree, but also you can like go to the gym and like do your own like workout and like
00:55:54.660
whatever that you need to do and also be sexual with it.
00:55:58.280
Like there doesn't have to be like one purpose.
00:56:08.380
They know not what they do, but she did know what she was doing and will go to hell for
00:56:13.420
her sins as remorseless as she is for those are the wages of sin.
00:56:18.660
You're going, you're going to hell for your little, uh, gym pull squat video.
00:56:27.020
You're going to, you're going to get up to those pearly gates and they're going to be
00:56:31.040
like, they're going to play that video and be like, you were on the fence, but because
00:56:53.140
I was just saying that like, there doesn't like need to be just one purpose of you going
00:57:07.660
Father, into your hands I commend my spirit were the last words Jesus spoke before he died
00:57:20.940
Thank you for, thank you guys for getting us the actual, uh, quote.
00:57:30.260
If I ever stare at you, that typically means I'm waiting for you to talk.
00:57:35.040
Um, but, like, she can work out and then also like post for her OnlyFans and get the bag.
00:57:45.200
But, like, that doesn't mean she's going there for OnlyFans.
00:57:48.440
That means she's going to the D&D and it's like a side note.
00:57:54.780
If it's not about being a 304, what is it then?
00:58:22.680
The thing is, is like anyone that openly hates on strangers, like you don't fucking know me
00:58:29.300
and you're like saying nasty things to me and you think that you're better than me.
00:58:33.540
Like, I think you're a bad person, so I don't really care what a nasty, mean person would
00:58:50.420
You're, you're saying like, it's okay to go to the gym and make OnlyFans content?
00:58:55.620
Because it's not, like, she's not going there to make content, but she's there.
00:59:01.540
There's some, why not post a story while there?
00:59:05.240
But like, so it sounds like you're saying that if a girl wanted to go to the gym and
00:59:10.080
do kind of like a semi-sexy video that she was going to later distribute on OF, no issue
00:59:24.640
Well, you said that, you know, even if there is this ulterior purpose, like it's okay to
00:59:32.380
post it on OnlyFans, so is it, is it your view that it's, let's say you went into one
00:59:37.560
of these, you know, the, one of the classes, classrooms that they have at gyms where it's
00:59:44.440
like wood floors or whatever, where they'll do Pilates yoga.
00:59:47.440
And somebody goes in there when there's not a class, for example, and they're just, I
00:59:52.760
don't know, doing some semi, not nudity, but like semi-sexual stuff with the, with the
01:00:03.600
My understanding is, based off of what you said, you're, that's cool, you're fine with
01:00:22.920
Haha, please tell me those butterfly tats are fake.
01:00:40.080
Do you want to say anything about the, he called out your butterfly tattoo?
01:00:44.540
Um, I've had these for years before they ever started trending.
01:00:56.420
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I don't care if things trend and come out and this and that.
01:01:46.080
I feel bad for the girls who had the sternum tattoos before they were cool.
01:01:50.800
And then everybody got them because they're basically, I mean, I was never a fan of, no offense to any girls here who might have that tattoo.
01:01:57.240
I was never really a fan of them to begin with, but I hated them from the get-go.
01:02:03.420
But they're kind of the tramp stamp of the 2010s.
01:02:08.820
They started getting popular around like 2015, maybe.
01:02:18.480
I'm not a fan of the modern tramp stamp, the sternum tattoo.
01:02:42.600
Like Joey Swole said, he doesn't think that's the appropriate place to do it.
01:02:46.540
He has no issue with OnlyFans girls making their content, doing whatever they want to do to make money.
01:02:50.560
So why is it okay for her to do that in a public gym?
01:02:55.600
I'm saying that it's okay to take a story or like take like a video, like a TikTok.
01:03:07.940
I think you're kind of walking back your previous stated position.
01:03:14.000
Like you previously, I don't remember it verbatim, but it was pretty clear like from what you said that you said,
01:03:20.480
it's okay if you're doing something for OF at the gym, you know, if it's sexual or whatever.
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What I'm saying is, let's say I'm going to the gym.
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If I go to the gym and I want to post a story so it has benefits for my OnlyFans also, then I don't see a problem in that.
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Why are you using the gym to promote your OnlyFans or to you?
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Do you guys also have a problem with girls that work out in sports bras and spandex?
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I got a problem with girls who work out and use it as a Trojan horse to sell sex, period.
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But the reality is, as I said, you're doing it for attention.
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Because if you were really working out to work out, you don't need to record yourself doing it.
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I mean, I work out to work out, and I also use it for my job.
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I do think that there's probably, just to answer your question directly,
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I do think that there's probably appropriate gym attire.
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And I think, you know, there's a decent amount of leeway as far as what I would deem as acceptable to wear in a gym.
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I mean, the most obvious example, I think this got a bit of attention recently.
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There's a girl basically wearing like, her ass was essentially hanging out of her,
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Would you agree that wearing a bikini at the gym, doing a workout, would be inappropriate to wear?
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I think like spandex, because that's not meant for working out.
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No, but let's say it was the appropriate fabric.
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They're wearing the same shape as essentially a bikini.
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I'm saying like booty shorts, sports bra, meant for working out, that's gym attire, right?
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So booty shorts where like the ass cheeks are hanging out.
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No, but it occurs to me that that might be a bit, maybe a bit much.
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A bikini is meant for swimming, you know what I mean?
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Right, but I'm saying like an outfit that approached the amount of revealingness,
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that's not a fucking word, that was close to as revealing as a bikini.
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Just picture like booty shorts, but they're way too small.
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And I think what we're discussing here and like why we're going back and forth is we're
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Like one person views sexuality as sacred and another one doesn't view it as sacred.
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I think it's not appropriate in a public setting.
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Going around the table, just you, you, you, you, and you.
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I would agree with Joey, Joey, just because it's in a public setting.
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I just feel like the gym is like, like, I feel like personally when I get in there, like
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Like, I don't really want to talk to anyone else.
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I mean, I think that kind of stuff, I think it should be like more in a private setting.
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Now I do want to say though, not everybody would even know that what you were doing was
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But because you had someone viewed it as sexual.
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If somebody like saw the video, then they would know what you're doing by your facial
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expressions and the angle where it's like, but you can see like I made a face for how
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many seconds and the rest of the time my face is normal.
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So like, why are you going to sexualize a whole exercise based off like two seconds?
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I think maybe because a guy like saw your phone there.
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And then maybe it was like, oh, she's making content.
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I would have to agree with, sorry, what was your name?
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And I think like bringing it into a gym is just not the time and place.
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If you behave like that in front of them, I will actively work to get you banned from our
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Public modesty is important for a healthy society.
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You couldn't get me banned from your gym for stretching.
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Have you guys just been sitting here in silence since I left?
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Well, moving on, we do have a chat here from our good friend.
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Ladies and men, I have 14 and 12-year-old daughters.
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What is the best information or advice you can provide a 50-year-old guy who has been out
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of the market for a long time as it relates to dating?
01:09:41.960
Well, the kids, I don't think, are super related to the question at hand.
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Yeah, I would say for the most part, he ain't missing much in the modern dating era.
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It's a lot of chaos amongst women and what they feel they can do and how they feel men
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need to behave and the lack of accountability and all of those things.
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So if he really wants to get back out on the dating market, I would suggest he find somebody
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more around his age just to settle down who would probably be more likely to have the
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same values and the same belief set and who wants to grow old together, who's in the
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Actually, related to what you said, I read recently something like a 19-year-old woman today, I
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don't know if it's 19 or 21, a 19-year-old woman today is going to have a higher body count
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But so you've got your average 19-year-old has had more sexual partners than a 50-year-old
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Me and Sadia had a little bit of a falling out.
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But when I thought about it, I was like, honestly, yes, it's likely possible.
01:11:05.760
Because for one, the body count did increase for the average woman in the past 20 years.
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And then the second thing is, a lot of these women, due to feminism, feel a lot more sexually
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Their moral compasses are not what they used to be.
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Social media makes access to men who will run through them, use them, and abuse them sexually
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I do believe that the body count for a 19-year-old today would probably be higher than the body count
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Speaking of that, I'd like to go around the table on this.
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So I'm not asking you guys yet for your body counts, but of your friend group, like if
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you had to, because I mean, you know, we have a 30-year-old, a 25-year-old, but you've
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got 21, 21, 21, 22, 19, and then 18, she stepped away to go to the bathroom.
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Of like your friend group, girls you know, what is, what do you think the average body
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Um, a few of my friends have been with their partner since high school, so they bring the
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average way down, but I would say probably around like 14.
01:12:31.280
Oh, well I'm talking, well okay, what about you?
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Do you, do you, first off, do you have girlfriends around your age?
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Okay, what, what would you say like their body count is probably?
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This is tricky, because I feel like I'm like in between friends right now, like I recently
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went through some things where I had to like let go of people, so.
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Okay, so tell us like your new friends and your D-Gen friends, go ahead.
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Old friends, probably like eight, I'm guessing.
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UCSB, number one party school, huge party scene in Ivy, what's your herd?
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For like average, I would say maybe like five or six.
01:13:23.120
Okay, actually I want to add one thing to this question, um, what's the highest that you've
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Here, let's actually come back around starting again with you on this.
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Probably like, honestly girls not as high as guys, like maybe 30.
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Yeah, and guys always in the hundreds, ran through.
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Well, you don't have to be friends, just like acquaintance, whatever.
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Um, I haven't been told what's like the highest from my friends.
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Can I have you tilt your microphone down a little bit?
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That you don't talk about, you don't talk shop with any of your girls?
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But like, what about, okay, you used to work with girls in the club, right?
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But I'm pretty sure it's a lot, like, but they don't, I'm not really friends with the
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But like, you guys don't even talk about that sort of stuff.
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I'm not friends anymore, but she was in the thirties.
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What's the highest body count you've heard from a girl?
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So I've heard, and this is before I started my show, because I've heard some outrageous body
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Uh, okay, so, and I'm trying to think, because I mean, I've heard, I, you know, I'm from Santa
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So for those watching who aren't familiar with the area, we have UCSB here.
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UCSB is frequently ranked the number one party school in the United States.
01:16:35.220
We have the Isla Vista area, which is basically a square mile where you have, like, 20, 30,000
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students crammed into an area less, uh, the size, less of a, less than the size of a square mile.
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And, uh, you know, bunch of parties, et cetera.
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Some girls be putting up 40 bodies their freshman, their first freshman semester or quarter,
01:17:10.800
So, to answer Pico Stein's thing, uh, I think you should move.
01:17:17.720
I think you should move because there's a lot of, uh, you know, inflation, if you know
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So, you got to go to, you know, an Asian country or Latin, actually, I don't know, not Latin America.
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I think, or you could go to the bingo hall here in America.
01:17:41.680
That might be a little outside of your, you know, check out the bingo hall.
01:17:52.500
So, we're going to, oh, actually, before we get into the pre-show notes that some of you
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guys provided, I like to start things off an hour and 15 minutes into the podcast.
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Does anybody here disagree with anything that you've heard or seen on the podcast?
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Some of you have maybe seen the podcast before, and I love to, I think a good jumping off point
01:18:16.860
is to hear from anybody who disagrees with anything.
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Maybe you've seen a clip from Q here who's gone viral on the internet several times.
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So, anybody disagree with anything, if you've seen, if you've seen anything?
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I want to start off by saying I do agree with most of what you say.
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Um, but I see a contradiction in something that you say.
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Um, you mentioned you're not a fan of casual sex.
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Um, but you did also mention in another podcast, I don't remember which one, that you wouldn't
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Now, in my view, having sex on the first date would be considered casual sex.
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But then some people can hook up multiple times, right?
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If you are willing to do it on the first date, because you're not in a relationship.
01:19:31.680
My definition is casual sex means having sex with somebody that you're not in a committed
01:19:40.320
Well, first off, I think it's certainly important to define exactly what casual sex is.
01:19:45.140
It's sort of a vague, nebulous term, and people can define that differently in the same way
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that, for example, someone might, uh, might describe, I'm trying to think of a somewhat
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Someone might define promiscuity as, you know, having a new sexual partner every week.
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Someone might just define promiscuity as dressing, somewhat revealing.
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Um, so, and I'm not even sure, and I could be wrong on this, but I typically, when my objections
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really stem from promiscuity, is it possible that I replaced promiscuity with casual sex?
01:20:24.440
So, I'm not sure if I've actually ever used the term me being against casual sex, but I'll
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take your word for it and I'll say I did use it.
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So, it's possible that I potentially used it erroneously, uh, but to, so I'm, I don't
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have any objections to people having sex rather early on, and if that means having sex the
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first time you're meeting someone, I don't object to that.
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Where I perhaps differ on this is that if I have sex with somebody, I want to continue
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So, if I choose to have sex with somebody, I have a genuine interest in continuing to see
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them with the hope of it developing into a long-term relationship.
01:21:07.960
I don't want to have sex once or twice and then never see the girl again.
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If I have sex with you, I want to keep seeing you.
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So, the only thing that differentiates it is your intention?
01:21:19.280
I think, yes, it would be intention because, for example, I've, I've gotten feedback from
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I got a message from somebody who, um, and I've heard from a couple people who've said this,
01:21:29.920
that their current spouse, their current long-term partner that they've been dating for years,
01:21:36.080
they're married, have kids, they're, tell me, oh yeah, you know, I had sex the first, we
01:21:45.500
Yeah, I don't have any issue with, with, you know, if you're gonna, you know, have sex with
01:21:51.140
somebody on the first date, that's totally your choice.
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I think that's giving way too much to them for literally just sitting down and having a meal.
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I think the woman is giving way too much to the man.
01:22:10.240
So you don't view sex as an equal value exchange.
01:22:14.240
You think men are getting, if it, despite both partners getting sex, you view that as
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Because I think once you have sex with the man, you, you're, I guess the chase, the value
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of that woman gets a little bit depleted because I think once you give it to him, then it's
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I mean, I mean, obviously he can still find something special, but, but my point is, is
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like, I think in the Bible, it says a woman, we are the gatekeepers of sex, right?
01:22:58.800
So what I'm saying is I think the woman is giving too much to the man on the first date
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because, because he can just have sex with her and choose to not see her again.
01:23:10.960
And, um, look, and I'm not saying I need to have sex on the first date.
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My wife of 18 years and I had sex after the first date, nothing casual about it.
01:23:26.060
There is a difference between casual sex and promiscuity and being a cum dumpster or village
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You make, look at this exhibit a grid one motorsports sex on the first night.
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But I think you can have, I mean, certainly look on, from the woman's perspective, if you're
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choosing to have sex with a guy and you know, there's no prospects of a long-term relationship,
01:24:08.620
And also you can kind of, you know, talk to the guy, get a sense of where he's at.
01:24:16.580
You can have this conversation before you have sex with him.
01:24:19.620
Now, look, I'm not saying that you need to have sex with a guy on the first date.
01:24:22.780
And if, if you want to wait, that's certainly your prerogative.
01:24:25.600
Um, but for example, like here's something very simple for women to do to mitigate or
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Even if you are so inclined to sleep with a guy on the first date, uh, to, to reduce the
01:24:40.140
So first off, if you're traveling, don't fuck men when you're traveling because well, obviously
01:24:45.700
just logistically speaking, if he lives in fucking Germany and you meet in the Netherlands
01:24:52.500
and you're leaving in two weeks, he's leaving tomorrow.
01:24:56.920
A lot of women be traveling and just fucking dudes.
01:24:59.980
So, but it's not clear to me if women are going traveling and fucking dudes and having
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any expectation of there being a long-term relationship.
01:25:09.720
Don't go, well, okay, let me, don't go to bars and clubs period.
01:25:13.860
But if you're so inclined, certainly don't sleep with men that you meet out while intoxicated
01:25:18.640
while either he's intoxicated, you're intoxicated or both.
01:25:22.500
Any sort of sex that occurs with alcohol involved is greatly diminishes the chance that that
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could lead, not necessarily it could, you know, you could still end up in a relationship with
01:25:32.940
this guy, but greater likelihood that that's going to be, end up being a casual encounter.
01:25:37.340
Uh, so there shouldn't be alcohol involved, preferably, preferably it should, you shouldn't meet contextually in a party type
01:25:46.500
Um, if he's from out of town, if he's not tied to your geographic region, it's probably not a good
01:25:53.840
idea to just fuck the dude because, uh, you know, it's low likelihood that I think one of the big
01:26:01.200
things to help a relationship proceed is convenience.
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If you guys live close, close, I think that makes things a lot easier, romantically speaking.
01:26:12.140
Um, so, so wouldn't you say that if you had a first date with, you had a first date, you guys had sex.
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Wouldn't that just be a spruced up hookup, but it just included a meal?
01:26:29.040
Huh, that's funny that you'd think I'd get a meal for her, but wait, what?
01:26:38.820
Wait, so you're saying we fuck, okay, we fuck, but she doesn't want to see me?
01:26:52.980
No, sometimes these girls, like, even if you put it down right, they, they fur the streets.
01:26:59.040
Yeah, but, yeah, but I look at it more from a, I mean, there's a lot of neurochemistry
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I mean, a lot of times we forget how the, how the human brain functions.
01:27:07.260
This, at the end of the day, it has the ultimate say, it's in control.
01:27:10.160
So if you put it down and she's releasing oxytocin, she's coming back.
01:27:13.920
She's going to, she's going to be thinking about you.
01:27:18.380
I would say like women might be calling back, but the men might just ghost.
01:27:21.920
But on, on the same token, women typically don't orgasm from having sex with a guy that
01:27:27.400
So the more you get to know a guy, the more you date a guy, the more you got, the more
01:27:30.640
time you guys have spent together, the more sex you have, the more likely you are to orgasm
01:27:36.360
But I wanted to, um, um, you know, what you said about his intention.
01:27:42.160
Intention matters because intention is objective.
01:27:45.980
Normally it comes down to how attracted I am to the woman.
01:27:49.040
If I find the woman extremely attractive, whether we have sex on the first night doesn't matter.
01:27:54.560
So I want to continue to see her over and over.
01:27:56.600
And essentially that's just going to make me want to be with her, especially if she has
01:27:59.860
a personality that is conducive to a healthy relationship and it aligns with who I am.
01:28:04.160
So the common dating pattern is we sleep together before we get in a relationship in most cases
01:28:10.680
because chastity and women being virgins is long gone.
01:28:15.240
So a lot of men don't want to wait to have sex with a woman who didn't wait to have sex
01:28:20.460
So, um, you know, it's, it's essentially a trial run.
01:28:26.660
Are our bodies, you know, sexually compatible in a sense?
01:28:32.420
Is there something I can gauge from having sex with you?
01:28:39.140
So there's no way you love this woman on the first date.
01:28:43.020
If you're having sex on the first, on the first date, it is, it is, it is lustful, but
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at the same time, there's no guarantee that you're not going to not see each other
01:28:53.760
And I think there's, everybody should have their own timeline.
01:28:57.260
My point is, it's like, you can go on a million first dates and have, you know, sex with every
01:29:03.940
And I think if, if it also depends on what the guy wants and the woman, if a guy wants
01:29:08.820
and a woman, somebody who is a virgin, which I know Brian mentioned, the closer you are to
01:29:16.880
I mean, as somebody who would be a virgin, I don't think she would have sex with you on
01:29:21.200
the first date, unless you were just like super duper special.
01:29:24.960
Um, because more than likely she's had that opportunity many times and isn't just going
01:29:29.940
to randomly have sex with you on the first date.
01:29:32.160
She's probably going to wait and she's, she, because she values herself and because she
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knows, okay, if you want to continue to see me, then see me, I'm going to hold on to sex
01:29:42.900
Look, and then I certainly realize if she's a virgin, not a born again, virgin, uh, that,
01:29:49.860
uh, well, I suppose even, yes, but you know, they, you can be born again, but it doesn't
01:29:57.780
Um, I'm not, yeah, I certainly probably am not going in with the expectation that a virgin
01:30:04.480
is going to want to have sex on the first date, but, um, you'd probably question if she
01:30:09.160
Uh, not, I mean, not, I don't know if I would, I might question, I might question a little
01:30:20.380
Have I, I don't think I've, I've been with a, oh shit, I don't want to reveal my body.
01:30:26.500
She says she's a virgin, but then you look at her and you're like, I don't know, based
01:30:30.240
off the conversation, you're like, I think you're, I think you're lying.
01:30:35.540
Uh, I don't think I've had a girl lie about being a virgin, but I've, I've dated a few.
01:30:42.740
Typically sex does not occur on the first date in that situation.
01:30:46.600
But it's also not like necessarily a six month thing either.
01:31:10.400
Took her about a week and a half before we had sex.
01:31:13.260
No pressure from me, but that's how attractive she was to me.
01:31:31.900
This is why it is important to date with intent and not just hook up.
01:31:36.680
Men and women have gotten far too casual and callous in the dating pool, and that needs to change.
01:31:48.920
Really, to answer your question, though, is for, I think your initial question was sort of a definitional one.
01:31:58.400
Yeah, I guess, I guess I was trying to get, like, the actual definition, because I think we just have different ones, and I think that's okay.
01:32:03.720
Um, but that would be, that's kind of where I maybe felt a contradiction.
01:32:08.620
Because you said you didn't believe in casual sex, but yeah.
01:32:10.980
Yeah, I mean, I'm, I think you can sleep with someone relatively quickly, but also not be promiscuous.
01:32:17.460
So, if you have a good read on the person, and you, you yourself, as an individual, for, if you're a woman, you want a long-term relationship, you've done a bit of an assessment on the guy.
01:32:31.200
Okay, is this guy a fuck boy, blah, blah, blah.
01:32:39.300
It was all, it was all, he was selling you the dream.
01:32:42.560
It was bullshit, uh, but if the guy seems genuine with his intentions, and also there's this whole trope of, well, if you sleep with the guy too quick, he's not going to respect you, and what otherwise would have turned into a long-term monogamous relationship, uh, had you waited a bit longer, oh, now he just ghosted you after he fucked you once.
01:33:05.120
No, the reality is, is that it doesn't, it doesn't occur to me that if you make a guy wait, that's going to guarantee you a long-term relationship with this guy.
01:33:17.120
And if the guy, let's say you, let's say, okay, same guy, and in two separate universes, right, in one universe, you sleep with him on the first date, in another universe, you sleep with him on the third, in another universe, you sleep with him on the fifth date, whatever.
01:33:30.700
Um, it's plausible that regardless of which decision you choose, you would ultimately still end up in a long-term relationship with him.
01:33:43.200
Okay, so I actually did have sex with my now husband.
01:33:59.360
Um, I, but I would say generally speaking, casual sex is not good, generally speaking.
01:34:08.800
I don't, I wouldn't consider it casual sex because we knew each other for a very, very, very long time.
01:34:53.180
I had car sex like last week and it was so nice.
01:34:58.720
Angle because I drove a truck and he didn't have a car.
01:35:17.220
I'm traumatized by car sex because I think I told you what happened when I had car sex.
01:35:33.340
She came to Christmas with my family and she wanted to have sex, but we couldn't have sex
01:35:39.560
So she had texted me next to me like, I'm horny.
01:35:43.340
So I had to tell everybody like, listen, we about to run to the store.
01:35:46.360
I'm in South Carolina in the middle of nowhere.
01:35:52.880
My dumb ass goes on a dirt road after it just rained, hella mud puddles.
01:35:56.780
And my immediate thought was we might get fucking bogged down in the mud.
01:36:01.880
So drove on the back road, tried to back out after we did what we did, got bogged down for
01:36:11.820
911 said tow truck, they couldn't send a dispatcher out because I was too far in the
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And the tow truck company was like, we don't have any trucks in the area.
01:36:21.640
So I was stuck trying to get my car out the mud, doing everything I could.
01:36:27.380
Scariest, scariest, most anxious moment of my life.
01:36:31.600
I'm like, yo, how the fuck we going to get out?
01:36:33.320
And then lo and behold, as I'm walking back to my car from the street, because I was trying
01:36:38.680
to find a signal, I didn't even have service trying to find a signal.
01:36:41.560
There was a shadow coming towards my car and I thought I was seeing shit.
01:36:48.340
And I was and I saw a sign that said private property.
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You know, I didn't tell him what we was doing, but luckily he has some he has something that
01:37:07.380
And that's how I got out after about five hours.
01:37:14.620
Yeah, I think when it comes to car sex, I for me personally, I'd rather like if the option
01:37:20.080
is to have sex or to not have sex in a car, I'd rather just not, you know?
01:37:27.980
But it's kind of like, well, I could go really far with this one, but just go oral.
01:37:40.440
You know, like you ever been hooking up with a girl and she's like, well, I could give you
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And it's like, I'd rather just not have anything, to be honest.
01:37:51.700
If it's like, if it's nothing versus a handjob, I'm good.
01:38:01.880
You know, or they even want to give you one in any.
01:38:23.140
And that was that was walking down the hallway in high school.
01:38:29.480
And my girlfriend was in front of me and she had reached back like in my pants and was
01:38:40.480
You ever have one like when you're sitting at a table and it's like under the table?
01:38:45.700
Don't you feel like guys already give themselves handjobs when they self-pleasure?
01:39:00.260
So maybe that's maybe they're like, hey, I already I'm already used to this.
01:39:08.240
I just don't think y'all know what you're doing.
01:39:28.300
Normally we don't get two sexual talks into the show.
01:39:37.260
I guess I'll get a little graphic for some, like you can't go over the, the head.
01:39:55.880
If you're going to do a handy, even then still don't give me one, but like, yeah, I'm giving
01:40:04.620
They trying to like, you watch my videos or what?
01:40:18.000
Guys, if you're on Twitch, the streaming quality there is fantastic.
01:40:21.520
Boys, we're trying to get, guys, we're trying to get the premium plus or I don't know what
01:40:26.020
it's called prime plus where I don't know what it's called.
01:40:35.040
Whatever second link is in the description mods.
01:40:41.520
We were talking about, oh, let's talk a little bit about waiting for sex.
01:40:48.560
Have any of the girls here going around the table, starting with you.
01:40:51.520
Have, and this is a chronological question, so think chronologically.
01:40:55.740
Have you ever, chronologically speaking, had sex with a guy relatively quickly, perhaps
01:41:04.020
even a couple guys relatively quickly, and then you stumble across a man, maybe you like
01:41:15.000
But those other guys, though, you had sex with them quick, first night, an hour after
01:41:21.020
meeting, in the bathroom at that nightclub, behind the dumpster of the bar, at the frat
01:41:32.440
Then you meet a guy, and then, oh, you like this one.
01:41:49.580
Like, when I broke with my ex, like, last year, over a year ago now, is when I started, like,
01:41:58.000
And then I just ended up not sleeping with anyone, because after, like, a few months or,
01:42:07.300
Um, and then I kind of got over it, and then I found with the guy that I actually did have
01:42:13.480
sex with, I, it was like, I don't know why, but I just, like, had no respect for him, and
01:42:32.780
It's bad, because guys are being shamed to hell for looking at girls in the gym.
01:42:50.060
He meant to say, hey, Alberta Sovereign, thank you, man, appreciate it.
01:42:59.320
So, he was kind of like, it was low stakes, emotionally.
01:43:04.260
Like, I knew, it was good for business, and emotionally it was low stakes, so that's why
01:43:13.960
Um, I have, but it was more, like, there was a different reason of me not having sex.
01:43:24.800
I was going to therapy, because I had a sex addiction.
01:43:35.160
Does that, does it ever go away, a sex addiction?
01:43:40.420
Um, can you tell us a bit about your sex addiction?
01:44:07.580
I meant, what info can I get slash give to provide my young daughters in the current market?
01:44:31.920
Oh, dude, they don't get fucking smartphones until they're 18.
01:44:45.260
If they already have smartphones, you gotta fucking burn them in front of them and be like,
01:45:00.120
Uh, try to keep them living in the household for as long as possible.
01:45:11.920
Like, I think when it comes to picking a good man, your brothers and your fathers are gonna
01:45:18.220
give you the best advice and be able to help you screen out dudes.
01:45:23.820
Left to your own devices, you're gonna pick the fuck boy.
01:45:26.660
You're gonna pick the bad boy who's gonna ultimately treat you like shit, rack you with
01:45:30.740
trauma, and then you're probably, depending on how fucking bad it is, you're probably
01:45:35.540
thoroughly, uh, fucked for your whole, no, I'm just kidding.
01:45:39.780
Maybe not fucked for your whole life, but, um, you should seek the advice of your fathers
01:45:55.380
Can, can you guys give me a little, I mean, maybe you agree, I don't know.
01:45:58.900
Don't just, if you disagree with something, don't just sit there quietly and be like, fuck
01:46:02.980
this misogynistic piece of shit, but I'm not gonna say anything.
01:46:07.760
How about, like, not having the phones and stuff?
01:46:09.460
Well, I mean, anything, but I mean, that's my advice.
01:46:12.540
First, I, if, you know, if, if, and when I have, uh, kids, uh, yeah, you're not, you're
01:46:20.620
You're not going to be on social media until you're 18.
01:46:29.640
I'm a very lucky that I was, I think in my senior year of high school, my space was just
01:46:35.460
I know it sounds like I'm a fucking boomer here, but.
01:46:42.860
Oh, I don't give a fuck what, I don't give a fuck what the other kids in school.
01:46:45.960
Maybe they can have a phone, but not a smartphone.
01:46:48.720
Maybe they can have one of those phones where you have certain numbers where you can dial.
01:46:53.880
I don't even know if they sell pagers like that.
01:46:58.760
Maybe they can have, maybe they can have like a phone, like a flip phone.
01:47:05.300
That's why I don't have all those social media twitters and shit.
01:47:14.060
All the roles that I know that went to private schools ended up way worse.
01:47:21.800
I mean, I would keep them off social media, to be honest.
01:47:28.220
Yeah, that's fine, but no smartphone, because then they can access all that bullshit.
01:47:46.300
I'd tell them, I'd tell them don't fall into hedonistic behaviors.
01:47:54.180
I would tell them that don't fall into believing in the concept of soulmates, the one.
01:47:59.420
Don't be aligning astrology signs, all of that bullshit.
01:48:12.900
They have to have some accountability for the guys that they choose in their lives.
01:48:17.240
Don't be afraid to discipline them and let them know that you don't approve of the gentleman
01:48:21.060
that they bring home, especially if you feel that their values don't align.
01:48:25.940
As a father, like Brian said, you have to be the one, you're going to have the biggest
01:48:35.160
Well, as a father, you're literally, your daughter's, like, you're showing your daughter
01:48:49.620
You have two daughters that are, like, at that prime age where it's, like, comparisons
01:48:57.500
So, that's why the social media thing is so big because you see girls who are, like, you
01:49:01.560
know, at the epitome of vanity and, like, wanting to look so beautiful and, like, you
01:49:09.220
Like, so, I think it has a bad influence on how, like, women think.
01:49:13.760
That's why there's so many women with eating disorders.
01:49:16.360
That's why there's women who want to, you know, go and get so much plastic surgery.
01:49:20.700
That's why, you know, girls want to, like, outdo the next.
01:49:23.960
So, I think, honestly, just show her, show your daughters that they are beautiful and
01:49:30.920
they are designed how God intended to design them and just show them how a man should treat
01:49:37.520
So, that way, you're actually proud and happy with who they choose because they're going
01:49:42.840
to choose the right person because of everything that you instilled in them through their childhood.
01:49:49.740
I 100% agree with everything you said and I think another really important thing to
01:49:54.980
do when you're raising kids is teach them accountability for what is happening in their
01:50:01.060
lives because all of the internal thoughts and beliefs that we hold about ourselves get
01:50:09.440
So, if some guy is showing up in your life and he's not treating you well, you have a core
01:50:14.780
foundational belief that's not in alignment with who you're trying to become.
01:50:18.760
So, really getting people aware of the power that we have with our thoughts.
01:50:30.760
In the Atlas household, it's going to be the fucking 1800s.
01:50:41.820
Maybe like a censored version of the Atlas censorship.
01:50:53.140
Maybe you can like Google historical articles about World War II.
01:50:56.700
I'll allow her to, you know, but like, you know, you know.
01:51:02.220
It has, I'm going to, I'm going to procure, it's going to be the Atlas internet.
01:51:06.920
There's going to be historical things on there.
01:51:22.620
I don't know a single woman who has a body count under 300.
01:51:31.840
Here, let me do, let me have Maddie read a couple of these chats.
01:51:45.880
One in the chat if you want to see Puffy on the show.
01:52:00.600
To the ladies, when is the last time you complimented a man on his appearance?
01:52:19.020
Thought it was going to be more vulgar than that, but okay.
01:52:23.820
I told my boyfriend he was handsome, like, last week.
01:52:29.360
I told my boyfriend that I think he's pretty and handsome, like, a couple days ago.
01:52:34.940
Um, I told my ex who's trying to come back that he looked good.
01:53:06.020
Oh, um, like, two weeks ago, I told someone that they were sweet.
01:53:13.400
Um, I probably, today or yesterday, I tell my husband all the time, he's handsome.
01:53:22.760
Q, when's the last time you complimented blah, blah, blah, man?
01:53:36.080
I, the last time I complimented a man was my Chilean bodyguard back here, and I said that
01:53:42.920
uniform, that Chilean military uniform really brings out the color of his eyes.
01:54:09.280
If a man pushes for sex on the first date, he is low value or thinks you are not valuable
01:54:29.960
Because he's not being, he's probably not being authentic.
01:54:32.220
He's probably, he's probably saying a whole bunch of stupid shit and trying to run game,
01:54:37.460
trying to, you know, use a whole bunch of cliche lines, trying to seduce her verbally.
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And women can smell desperate on men when they're desperate.
01:54:53.120
Not if sex happens to happen on the first date.
01:55:05.800
When did that, has that, you always had that or?
01:55:28.040
So, you didn't, when did you lose your virginity?
01:55:40.300
And so, sex addiction, it's kind of a vague term.
01:55:48.840
Like, this sounds really weird, but genuinely, like, I felt like I wouldn't have a personality
01:55:58.460
Or, like, not, like, it wasn't about the person, but it was just, like, about the feeling.
01:56:14.560
Um, it was more of, so, my therapist told me that it was because, like, of my, like,
01:56:25.300
So, it was just, like, the fact that, like, I could leave them.
01:56:28.520
Because, like, I, like, it's really hard, like, for me to get, like, attached to someone.
01:56:34.440
And so, like, when I would, like, sleep with someone, all feelings would, like, I would
01:56:40.440
And so, like, it was just, like, the fact that I could leave them.
01:56:43.660
So, it was, so, you would have sex with the guy and then just blame him, ghost him.
01:56:53.520
I've been complimented by a naturally born woman every day of my life multiple times a day.
01:57:10.200
We have another one coming in, so I'm just going to hold off.
01:57:15.480
Appreciate your patronage over these many, many months.
01:57:23.500
Can you ask the panel if they have ever seen some good Red Bill videos that are about men
01:57:37.900
First off, I doubt the panel even knows what Red Pill is.
01:57:45.720
I appreciate your TTS, but this is a very vague question.
01:57:52.680
Have you ever seen some good Red Pill videos that are about men being just genuinely better people?
01:58:13.560
I appreciate the patronage, Plato, but you need to ask, like...
01:58:18.480
You gotta ask, like, a question that they're gonna understand.
01:58:26.940
Well, no, because, I mean, my definition of the Red Pill differs from...
01:58:35.880
Other people view it as, like, this sort of dogmatic thing when it comes to intersexual dynamics between men and women.
01:58:43.160
And then there's, like, a sort of, uh, there's dogma where it's, like, you know, some of which I agree with, some of which I don't.
01:59:15.500
No, so, yeah, yeah, I think I was asking, okay, so you would have sex with a guy once, and then you'd ghost him.
01:59:33.500
Or just not even diagnosed, just, like, your whole life.
01:59:38.880
Well, I don't think, like, it's been, like, a whole life type of thing.
01:59:42.060
No, no, no, but, like, the first time you just had sex with the dude and just blanked him, ghosted him.
01:59:49.660
That was the first time, because I was, like, um...
01:59:52.860
Because I had, like, my first relationship, and that was for two and a half years, and that was the only relationship I had.
02:00:02.280
And then after that ended, then that's when I started having a sex addiction.
02:00:07.900
So you didn't ghost the guy, you lost your virginity, too.
02:00:10.920
No, I don't think it was from the get-go, but I mean, like, how many times total did you do that?
02:00:31.920
No, no, no, no, I'm not judging, but now we know it's been at least 30 times.
02:00:41.520
What I was trying to say is I would like to come watch your show live.
02:00:55.540
Wait, I don't want to come across as judging at all.
02:00:58.540
Okay, the reason I gasp is, like, because I wanted to understand, like, why.
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Like, it was, I was just very depressed in that moment in my life.
02:01:14.340
Like, it was, like, everything would just go away.
02:01:17.720
The guys wouldn't, they didn't know your intention, right?
02:01:22.020
What was, like, I don't know how to explain it, because, like, like, right now, like,
02:01:25.940
I don't even think the same right now, but in that moment, like, I just remember I was
02:01:30.420
just, like, like, as soon as, like, like, I would come or whatever, and then, like, I
02:01:39.160
would, like, leave them, like, it was just, like, like, just, like, like, I feel, like,
02:01:44.120
Like, I'm, like, good to, like, go to sleep or whatever.
02:01:54.140
Wait, so you said you, once you come, you just, like, dip?
02:02:01.220
Like, I was just saying, like, like, in general, like, at the end.
02:02:04.820
Like, after, like, I would, like, in general, like, come, like, it would just feel, like,
02:02:16.800
So I think, okay, I think I understand, like, maybe we're in the mind.
02:02:21.740
Because, like, and this is what I've heard from, like, other friends that I've had that
02:02:27.320
have been cheated on is, like, okay, so a dude did a dude thing on you, right?
02:02:47.760
So it's kind of like your way of getting back at men, right?
02:02:50.820
Like, you're kind of not getting back at men, but, like, kind of acting like a dude.
02:02:59.900
That's a huge L for a girl to, you get cheated on, let me just go fuck a bunch of dudes.
02:03:04.560
Nobody's saying that's, like, the hierarchy of morals.
02:03:08.860
How are you getting, but you can't get me back for coming.
02:03:15.400
Like, as a guy, as a guy, like, say there's validity to what you just said.
02:03:31.920
So the videos that I was talking about were videos of men being stoic, of men being truly great, of men not bending to life, and being truly masculine.
02:03:53.980
One of these compilation videos that I'm trying to see if I can find it.
02:04:23.060
So I'm not validating what she's saying or saying that I even agree with it, but what I'm saying is I'm trying to place my head and where her head was at that time.
02:04:56.840
I just feel like once I talk, then there's going to be something that happens.
02:05:00.440
Okay, so I'm just trying to get inside her head.
02:05:04.840
Like, I think, you know, for everybody, depression can hit you differently and you're coming back in his...
02:05:16.020
Many good men get hurt from women with that outlook.
02:05:18.760
Hookup culture wouldn't be as bad if woman took the same self-accountability and tried fixing it.
02:05:31.140
Maybe she should talk and then there wouldn't be something that pops up.
02:05:33.840
It's better if you just go ahead and make your point.
02:05:38.780
I'm just saying that I was saying that depression...
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Sounds like she's slash was using orgasm to cope with emotions.
02:05:59.460
Yeah, so you can't say anything about me saying about popping up anymore.
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I think everybody can approach depression differently.
02:06:12.400
So, you know, I'm not saying it was right, but I'm saying I can understand where you came from.
02:06:17.980
I was in a very toxic and horrible relationship with my first boyfriend, who's like my high school sweetheart, the whole deal.
02:06:29.160
It was a whole thing, and he broke my heart in many ways.
02:06:33.500
He didn't cheat on me, not that I know of, but he was just a horrible person.
02:06:37.980
And so for me, like, I fell into the promiscuity.
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I'm done, honestly, because it's honestly, it's a coincidence every single time.
02:07:00.380
Wait, so you said it was about 30 guys where you would just have sex with them, and then, but would they want, I'm sure you're an attractive girl, I'm sure they would want to see you again, right?
02:07:13.080
Um, I'm, like, trying to remember, but, um, it was mostly, like, frat guys, so, like, it was people that, like, I already, like, knew, like, day to day.
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Oh, this would, like, this would be, like, you're out at a party, alcohol, alcohol's involved, you'd, after the party, you guys are liquored up.
02:07:32.200
Yeah, and it was, like, my first year, like, it was my first time, like, at, like, college, or, like, in general, like, without, like, a boyfriend for the first time.
02:07:40.720
And, also, like, my experience, like, dating, like, was very different, and he cheated on me, like, I think, 36 times, 33, 36.
02:07:58.800
But it's because I moved to Turkey for him, though.
02:08:15.580
And, yeah, I moved to Turkey for him, and then.
02:08:23.660
What she did for the guy that, she, she moved to Turkey for the guy that cheated on her 36 times, so you was definitely into him more than he was into you.
02:08:31.960
Well, I just want to say, I didn't know that he cheated on me until after I moved.
02:08:38.820
So he was cheating with Turkish women in Turkey?
02:08:46.560
Okay, there could have been some travelers, I guess, but, okay, so.
02:08:55.000
Wait, was this, what was the age of that relationship?
02:09:03.460
Okay, so this was a long-distance relationship for periods?
02:09:11.320
Like, it was a very serious relationship, and it was my first relationship.
02:09:22.320
And also, like, I, I'm obviously Turkish, but I didn't grow up in Turkey.
02:09:28.000
And so there's also, like, the, like, the cultural differences.
02:09:34.020
That I didn't know of, like, what was, like, really appropriate, obviously, back then.
02:09:40.380
Okay, wait, so, you said the sex addiction was precipitated by your depression.
02:09:52.460
Was the depression caused because of the breakup of this relationship and the infidelity?
02:10:02.000
So, wait, but you said that most of these scenarios would be, like, frat guys go.
02:10:12.220
It would be, like, like, my friends, like, would, like, force me to, like, go out.
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Like, they'd be, like, like, oh, like, would you want to be, like, depressed and be in or, like, go out?
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And so then I would go out and drink too much and then sleep with someone else.
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And that was, so you said that was about 30 times you did that?
02:10:38.640
Okay, so some of them you wouldn't, but it was never, like, ever serious.
02:10:47.400
Is there any way we can teach her to speak English, please?
02:10:58.240
I don't know if you guys heard about that woman who had a TBI and then she woke up, or maybe she was in a coma.
02:11:03.560
She woke up and she, American woman, white woman, she woke up and she had, like, a Chinese accent.
02:11:11.740
Madison, it's not, it's not like she needs a TBI.
02:11:18.500
For some reason, she's, she's capable of speaking English when she gets liquored up.
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What was the span of time where you had slept with these 30 guys during your sex addiction?
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I think it was, how soon did you sleep with the guy or something like that?
02:12:22.080
The question was, we're going around the table.
02:12:24.120
So, have you ever had, like, one-night stands, string of one-night stands, hooked up with whatever guys relatively early,
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but then you stumble upon a guy you actually like, and then you make that guy wait weeks, months, whatever, to have sex with him?
02:12:40.520
Yes, but that was just because I was trying to actually, like, like them instead of losing feelings after sleeping with them.
02:12:51.600
So, I'm, I, usually I, before I give my response, I usually like to get around the table first on this.
02:12:59.800
So, I know you were going through something, however, if a girl told me, for example, that I was interested in dating, she told me,
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I will buy the bottle just to hear the English.
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Tequila-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a.
02:13:26.460
The champagne pop, the trigger for that is in the description if you're interested.
02:13:38.440
Uh, so if I was pursuing a girl and she told me, well, uh, six months ago, I was going
02:13:46.720
through a period of my life and I had, I was having one night stands and sleeping with
02:13:55.340
What, um, from first meeting a guy to having sex with him, what's the quickest, like 30
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I'm just asking, like you meet a guy at a frat party from first meeting him to having sex.
02:14:21.580
So if a girl told me, uh, that she wanted to wait to have sex with me, multiple dates, weeks,
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But then she told me a few months prior, she had sex with a guy within an hour of meeting
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You had sex with guy within 30 minutes of meeting him a week later.
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But from my perspective as a guy, I'm going to feel like I'm getting a bad deal.
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Like I'm a feel a certain type of way about that.
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And I would, I would be like, well, that's your choice.
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But I would feel like a sucker if I just, I would feel like a sucker in that situation.
02:15:15.700
Cause if I communicate this with like a guy and I tell him like what the situation is
02:15:21.160
and what the reason is, and he thinks that way, then what I'm understanding out of that
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is that he just wants to sleep with me in general.
02:15:32.700
But you, you provided a certain treatment to the other men who you, who you had sex
02:15:40.140
with, but this guy who you, if you want a long-term relationship with him, who you perhaps
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value more than those other guys, you're going to make him wait.
02:15:55.040
Well, I feel like it really shouldn't because like, let's say the other guys, for instance,
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that I like slept with, or the one that took like an hour, that was someone that I didn't
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So I didn't even put any like time into that relationship or any thought into it.
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Like, so this should like show you how much like effort I'm putting into this.
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Here's how, here's my translation of that though.
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I thought you were a better long-term prospect.
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So I treated you worse than the guy I knew who was an asshole or toxic.
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I'm treating sex like it's sacred just for you, but not those other 30 guys who had sex
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I'm not sleeping with you so I don't lose feelings for you the first night I see you
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or we hook up because I generally see something in you that I want to continue.
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It's not the, in the guy's perspective, they're not going to see it that way.
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She's healing her heart and that's why she's choosing that.
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So maybe she shouldn't tell him that she was giving it up to these guys right away so soon.
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Let's say you fuck a girl tomorrow and you don't care about her and then, okay, I know.
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Fucks a girl tomorrow, meets a girl maybe the next week and he's kind of talking to her,
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but he actually respects her and maybe wants something more with her.
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And so like does the girl now get to have the same like perspective on him?
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So it would surprise me, I think, it would be a bit surprising for,
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because who's typically like pushing to have sex?
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So, I mean, this sort of hypothetical scenario.
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So the question is, would I object to a woman feeling upset if the guy didn't want to fuck her right away?
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First off, I'm not sure in what world that ever would play out.
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But like, no, I, if, if a woman, if a woman was upset that a new guy wanted to wait and she wanted to fuck him right away,
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would, would I object to her being like, well, why don't you fuck me sooner?
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Because you fucked all these other chicks sooner.
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I don't think any, most women are going to ever have that dynamic ever.
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Like, oh, you fucked all those other girls really quickly, but you're making me wait?
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Like, but no, I don't object to it if a woman has that standard.
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And then also, because you feel like, because she has like slept with people quickly,
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and then all of a sudden has decided that she wants to wait.
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Do you want to wait now with like future partners if there was another one?
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Like, if this relationship ended, would you treat another relationship the same way?
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Or do you think you would like partake in one night stands again?
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Well, with my current relationship, I didn't wait.
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But if something happened to this relationship, would you wait or would you still treat it person to person?
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Or do you think that phase is over in your life?
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Well, see, that's my concern then, because you say you're not addicted to sex anymore.
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So why would you still have the same fear that was because of the sex addiction moving forward?
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Why, if you used to have sex and then move on after you came,
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why would you still fear that that's going to be present if you have sex with somebody that you really like?
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Like, why would you hold off, hypothetically speaking?
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Why would you then hold off because you don't want to lose feelings?
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But that was an effect of being addicted to sex.
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So if that effect is no longer, if you're no longer addicted to sex, why would you still fear that outcome?
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Because let's say, like, she was saying that if I were to get out of this relationship,
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which means that I would probably, like, have to go through another breakup, which that's what was the outcome of the person.
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I think it was a lack of value for herself and depression,
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because an addiction would mean that you probably shouldn't do it again.
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Like, if you're addicted to alcohol, you shouldn't go to a bar, right?
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But if you have a sex addiction, what does that mean?
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You have to eventually heal that bond, so that way you can have sex with your future partner.
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So I wouldn't even label it as a sex addiction.
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I would just label it as you were suffering with depression and didn't value yourself enough.
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Okay, look, I don't know the intricacies of your situation,
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but could claiming that you had an addiction be a way of you...
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Could you trying to frame this pattern of behavior as an addiction be a way of you trying to escape accountability for the specific actions that you took?
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Because if you claim something's an addiction, then you can kind of just relinquish yourself of responsibility of having done it.
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Okay, well, in today's society, I don't think any girl would just randomly just be like, oh, I have a sex addiction.
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I think a sex addiction also, it's like, if it's risky, like, it's categorized as if you, like, cannot help it and you're putting yourself at risk,
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but you're doing it anyways because you just, like, I'm pretty sure that's what it is defined.
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I mean, look, but she said her friends were, like, trying to drag her out to these parties.
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It's very common for, were you in college at the time, I'm assuming?
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I mean, you're in college, that's what people do, they go out to parties Thursday, Friday, Saturday night.
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You're an attractive girl, you said you didn't even approach these dudes, these dudes are coming up to you.
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Is this a sex addiction or were you just being promiscuous?
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It's, it's very hard to explain the situation, but basically, I wasn't just randomly, like, I didn't wake up one day and was like, oh, I have a sex addiction.
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I am a guy and I have a sex addiction and I love it, I never want to fix my problem, best problem in the world, what's your thoughts, sex?
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The British voice sounded, like, really high-pitched and excited for some reason.
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Okay, so, um, what I was trying to say was, um, oh, I didn't just wake up one day and I was like, oh, I have a sex addiction.
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It was, I went to therapy because my friends actually made me because I was actually having, like, a really bad problem.
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Um, and then he was like, I think you have a sex addiction, like, you need to stop, like, having sex, like, you need to, like, you know, just get yourself, like, just focus on yourself for a little bit and just, because this is, like, your outlet and this can't be your outlet, if that makes sense.
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How early on did your therapist tell you that you have a sex addiction during that process?
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Do you think that maybe the therapist telling you that, since it was placed into your head, do you think maybe you, um, decided to use that label?
02:24:26.080
No, because, you know, because sometimes therapists will be like, oh, you've got ADHD, so then people are like, oh my god, I have ADHD, this is why I'm this way and I'm never gonna change.
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Right, so sometimes if they tell us anything, it kind of reassures.
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She's not lying of the 200 women I hooked up with, I known less than two hours shortest girl I knew was two minutes.
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She just asked me to go into the bathroom at a club.
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Yeah, do you, do you think that because your therapist kind of gave you that label, it kind of enabled you to give yourself that label and continue to do the thing?
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Honestly, I think that probably did have, like, an influence, because it was also, like, my first year of, like, college.
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Like, that's, like, technically that's where you learn, like, your life, because, like, that's the first time you're on your own.
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And also, like, this is just me trying to, like, live life, and then someone's telling me that I have a sex addiction.
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Like, obviously it's a doctor, like, I'm going to believe it.
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And, like, that's subconsciously most likely going to do some things to me, but.
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Because sometimes, like, giving, giving someone a label will box them in.
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And so then they, you know, it's like if you tell yourself over and over and over, you know, you label yourself something, whatever.
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You say, oh, my gosh, I'm ugly, I'm ugly, I'm ugly.
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So then if you say, like, then you kind of become the addiction.
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Because now you have that label rather than, like, looking inward and trying to see what are the deeper rooted problems.
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I mean, I guess I will say, like, whenever, like, I do get too, like, sad or, like, depressed or, like, whenever, like, I have, like, too much of, like, a problem.
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Do you think you think it's easier to have sex with the men than to, like, introspect about the cheating and, like, what's going on emotionally with you?
02:26:40.600
No, it's not a problem, and I won't go see help.
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Miss Quiet and I have a thumbs up or down, please.
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Like, some people have trouble kind of, like, sitting with their emotions.
02:27:10.880
Between Dollar Tree Rogue and the fake sex addict this show has delivered tonight.
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If the weather is good, I am flying tomorrow, so be time to dig a day, airmate.
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Hey, Grid One Motorsports, thank you for tuning in tonight, man.
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So do you think that it was easier than, like, going out?
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I think going out was easier because, like, you know, like, you're drinking, like, at least,
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But, like, if I'm at home, then I'm going to be, like, texting people, like, guys, like,
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And that makes sense because our brain, like, moves towards pleasure all the time.
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So if that was, like, harder for you, then it makes sense why that...
02:28:11.580
Um, now that you have kind of moved past this, with your current new guy, how long did you
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Like, I generally, like, had feelings for him, and that's how we started.
02:28:36.580
Okay, but you're saying if, like, for you moving forward, your experience has been, and
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will be, if you were to have, let's say this guy goes away, whatever, you meet a new guy,
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let's say you're interested in a relationship with him, if you have sex with him too quick,
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you'll just, despite your potential long-term interest in him, you'll just, it's over?
02:28:59.680
Well, I'm not saying that that's how it's going to be.
02:29:02.780
Oh, because you said if you have sex too quick, you just, like...
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I'm, I was just trying to say, like, that's just how, that's been the pattern recently.
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Like, it's just, I don't know, like, if it will change, but it hasn't so far.
02:29:19.580
I'll, look, going back to my point, though, if a girl previously has engaged in, if she's
02:29:25.580
had sex quickly with a guy, and then all of a sudden you have this new standard, to me,
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It's, again, you're free to have it, but I'm going to feel like it's bullshit.
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Having a conversation without using the word like every second word.
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What if I'm trying to be a better version of myself for you?
02:29:53.100
Yeah, that's like saying, like, if an alcoholic says, I'm going to bring alcohol into this,
02:29:58.940
Because we're talking about addiction, so let's label it.
02:30:01.640
If alcohol, if somebody who struggles with alcohol, and you're saying, oh my gosh, you're
02:30:07.700
You're not going to have a drink with me on the first date?
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Oh my gosh, I know you're trying to better yourself, but that's not fair.
02:30:15.100
What if that's the standard that they take for the rest of their, like, life?
02:30:22.160
That would be more fair, but I'm fairly certain that, like, you'll have women who will have
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had casual sexual encounters, fuck guys on the first date, and then, oh, let me switch
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things up, and then, okay, I'm going to make this guy who I view for long-term potential,
02:30:43.580
You break up with him, you're going to fuck a guy on the first date within a week of breaking
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up with him, so your standard is just going to be wishy-washy.
02:30:51.960
That's my issue with it, is there's not, like, you don't actually have a value, you don't
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have, like, a deeply held value, it's just like you're playing a game.
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You're trying to leverage pussy to get a long-term relationship, basically.
02:31:08.060
It's not going to be fair no matter what, life's not fair.
02:31:10.560
I mean, obviously, it's, I'm not saying that, obviously, the guy wouldn't take your perspective,
02:31:21.660
It's kind of like when you become a Christian, you become a Christian, you change your ways,
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You change your lifestyle, and you can tell your future husband, hey, I used to do these things,
02:31:32.940
and I'm not proud of it, but this is who I am now, and she can change her behavior,
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she can change her patterns, that's what she's trying to do.
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I'm not saying it's fair for the guy, because it's not.
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The moment the guy knows, hey, you gave it away, you know, all quick, then yeah, he's going
02:31:54.120
So I understand that, but again, this is about her healing.
02:31:58.020
Sure, and look, I understand, like, it is a bit of a tough position to be in this woman,
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because obviously, look, if you're trying to change the way you move, I'm not saying,
02:32:08.340
well, if you used to be promiscuous, well, you should just continue being promiscuous.
02:32:12.700
I understand that it kind of puts women in a bind, but like, I'm just telling you the male
02:32:18.120
perspective here, like how we're going to feel, it's good for you, but like, you previously,
02:32:23.760
let's say you previously had sex with a hundred men, you slept with all of them on the first
02:32:27.440
date, first off, I would not advise a man to ever date a woman who's had sex with a hundred
02:32:31.800
other men, but that's another conversation, and then you want to make me wait for marriage?
02:32:38.960
So, if you're thinking in your best interest, you know, as a man, if you're thinking in your
02:32:44.520
best interest, would you also want her to think in her best interest for her healing journey
02:32:56.260
You can fuck three guys in one day within 30 seconds of meeting them, and then the very
02:33:01.820
next day, you can say, I'm waiting until marriage from here on out.
02:33:07.080
But if I meet you that day, and you tell me that you're waiting until marriage, and you
02:33:18.560
And that's how a lot of guys are going to feel, because it's, it's going to look like
02:33:23.520
That was never your, like, I guess you can turn a new leaf, but.
02:33:29.680
I mean, we're saying that, we're saying though, sorry, you want me to, okay.
02:33:35.120
We're saying that it's not beneficial for the guy at all.
02:33:40.060
We agree that he's going to feel some type of way, because men do want to have sex, especially
02:33:47.040
if they know, hey, she's giving away sex, so, okay, I should have that pass too.
02:33:51.820
I should, I should be able to play that card too.
02:33:53.920
But the thing is, is it's not going to benefit her.
02:33:57.260
It's going to leave her in a worse place, and she knows that she can't go there, because
02:34:02.180
then it'll bring the addiction back up, and she'll lose feelings for the guy.
02:34:05.160
So, if I was the guy, and I knew that if we had sex, she's going to lose feelings for
02:34:09.400
me, and I genuinely want to have a relationship with her, I mean, see, I'm not a guy, but
02:34:19.060
That's why you just avoid women who have, who have past traumas, issues altogether.
02:34:23.980
Yeah, I'm giving prescriptive advice to men that that's not a woman that you even date.
02:34:29.880
So, you're saying, well, if you really like her, da-da-da-da-da, like, sorry, you're
02:34:37.860
Okay, but don't guys also treat women differently?
02:34:41.060
Like, there's women that, like, you sleep with, like, that are casual, and then there's
02:34:54.820
I mean, you're saying, so, okay, guys will have two boxes, like, the sex-only category
02:35:03.380
Like, I'm saying, like, in general, though, like, guys also do that, like, where it's,
02:35:15.980
I don't know if what you're saying is a perfect example, but for example, here's an analogy,
02:35:24.240
I'm going to read them, because I've got them written down.
02:35:26.680
So, here's the, here's the sort of opposite framing.
02:35:37.620
So, of course, I brought the, I, I bought them expensive stuff, and I took them to the
02:35:42.340
best dining places, and I even paid their bills.
02:35:50.920
So, let's go to McDonald's, and you're paying, by the way.
02:36:03.060
But because you're my potential girlfriend, potential wife, we have to wait for those benefits.
02:36:14.540
Because it's, because, because, because the analogy is about value.
02:36:17.240
So, he's saying men, what, the value that men place on sex, that's why we want it.
02:36:22.940
What women value is the resources, the allocation of resources, us whining and dining you, showing
02:36:28.180
you ways that you're special, how we're willing to invest in you.
02:36:31.080
So, if we withhold, if we say the casual hookups that we had, we did those things for those women,
02:36:36.280
which is what women value, and then we took you, who we want to be serious with, and we
02:36:40.460
withheld that from you, then how would that, how would you feel about that?
02:36:44.080
Okay, but I'm not talking about how much money you spend.
02:36:47.100
I'm talking about your manners, and how you treat me, like, versus, like, like, let's
02:36:53.600
say, like, we're casually, like, hooking up, and there's a serious relationship.
02:37:14.520
I would bet the answer is no, because of the society on vets with PTSD.
02:37:23.120
Okay, going around the table, would you date a guy who's been to war?
02:37:44.080
I think we should absolutely judge people based on their past, and that's not a bad thing.
02:37:51.240
I think when you're investing in someone, and you're deciding to marry someone, you should
02:37:55.440
know about them, and you have the right to decide whether their past is a deal breaker
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Whether it's men who have war trauma, or women who have sexual history.
02:38:12.860
I was going to say yes, and then after you said that, I'm like, I don't know.
02:38:20.380
Because I wouldn't be able to take on that extra trauma.
02:38:29.460
But I have my own trauma, so I don't think I could take on someone else's trauma.
02:38:58.820
I appreciate you going to war for this country.
02:39:01.220
I absolutely appreciate anybody who fights for our country.
02:39:11.980
Because a lot of the time, you know, guys with PTSD have a lot of anger issues.
02:39:16.040
And personally, I grew up with a very angry father, dad.
02:39:21.840
Um, but my dad was very, had a lot of anger issues.
02:39:26.220
And I just seen how that, um, really affected my upbringing.
02:39:42.240
So here's, I'm going to give a bunch of analogies here.
02:39:51.860
Uh, telling your date that all your exes got five-star meals, but she gets McDonald's because
02:39:57.200
you have turned over a new leaf and decided that money has better uses than just trying
02:40:06.120
Every woman, the man she's, uh, going for has dated in the past, got tons of effort, trips
02:40:12.740
to Hawaii, Paris, Tokyo, personally selected gifts based on her likes, excellent communication
02:40:18.060
on everything she needs to know about, et cetera.
02:40:20.120
And now that she gets with him, he decides to be very tight with his money and effort.
02:40:24.560
No trips further than the target in their local city, maybe like a $50 gift card, maybe.
02:40:30.760
Um, and, uh, he just keeps everything from her that might help her understand.
02:40:35.120
Then when she asks what's up with him doing so much less for her, he says, it's because
02:40:40.800
I knew they were just momentary fun, but I think you might be the perfect partner.
02:40:58.940
You've been in a situationship with a guy for six months.
02:41:07.380
Somehow you find out that the last three girls he had committed relationship with, he
02:41:12.760
initiated the commitment conversation after only three weeks of dating.
02:41:31.500
My guy that says please and thank you to the women that he dated before, but he withholds
02:41:41.420
So, making a man wait while her 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 previous partner she slept with on the
02:41:48.060
first or second date is like me going to McDonald's.
02:41:50.600
Everyone in the restaurant paid $1 for a cheeseburger.
02:41:57.180
Then I get to the front of the line, ask for a cheeseburger, and the clerk looks at me
02:42:11.020
Or it's more like the McDonald's cashier stating you need a reservation.
02:42:18.400
I'm not forcing them to be in relationships with me or like to wait for me.
02:42:28.580
And when she breaks up with you, divorces you, the next guy is not going to have to wait.
02:42:40.440
Oh, also the McDonald's one with the $1,000 cheeseburger.
02:42:43.240
That'll be $1,000 for you because I like you the most.
02:42:52.660
Because you're going to give me some real calls.
02:42:58.400
I'm sorry, but Puffy Vegas, calm the fuck down.
02:43:05.460
I've listened to this podcast for quite a while and Jesus Christ, I'm alone.
02:43:13.240
Damn, even the other TTS is coming after Puff, Puffimus Maximus.
02:43:18.040
Yo, Puffy, we'll get it pulled up in just a sec, brother.
02:43:25.000
This whole argument, though, is only valuing sex.
02:43:31.760
Yeah, but you're, like, only saying, okay, that she's just worth this one thing.
02:43:47.480
So it would make worth, like, waiting because it's not the only thing he cares about.
02:44:04.020
I mean, he shouldn't be with me just for sex either way.
02:44:06.120
Like, he shouldn't care about, like, the other guy.
02:44:09.380
Like, he shouldn't even know how I treated them.
02:44:43.260
Maybe we say, okay, the guy that you're seeing, every relationship he's been, he abused them.
02:45:15.100
Anyway, so, every girl that he's been with, he's had issues, he gets angry, he hits them.
02:45:20.500
Okay, maybe he doesn't hit them, but he grabs them, whatever.
02:45:37.080
And for you, you took action in sex, and abuse is also an action.
02:45:41.320
So, you're kind of, we're looking at the past as, like, what are the things that you have done?
02:45:48.340
It's not a good value system to abuse a woman, but still, a guy will look at your past and,
02:45:53.180
you know, he will decide if he wants to be with you based off that.
02:45:56.920
I'm saying, like, in general, like, I'm not forcing a guy to be with me.
02:46:03.540
Like, obviously, like, these, like, things that, like, I have, like, these, like, little boundaries are my boundaries.
02:46:09.600
And, like, if a guy, like, is actually, like, I do believe, like, there's, like, that one person for you.
02:46:17.020
And if he's that one person for me, then he would wait for it.
02:46:23.080
Does your current boyfriend know about your past?
02:46:37.260
Yeah, I was just curious if he had known and how he felt about it.
02:46:40.560
Well, we have very different perspectives because he's Turkish.
02:46:46.480
Like, he was actually raised there, which is very different perspective than, like, if you, like, like, you two, like, would have very different perspectives.
02:46:57.660
But, in general, we just, like, don't really talk about it.
02:47:08.340
No, we have talked about it, like, completely, like, once.
02:47:12.540
And it was just, like, he knew what I went through.
02:47:18.220
So, as he should, he was more there for me than worrying about if I gave, like, the guy before him, like, had sooner than him, you know.
02:47:33.640
Yeah, but, I mean, essentially what Brian was just saying, he was just trying to get you to understand it from the value, value system.
02:47:40.260
Because a lot of women, they don't consider the male perspective.
02:47:43.220
Like, why do men, well, why would you only want to have sex with me?
02:47:45.740
And it's like, no, it's just a principle because in the mind of a lot of men, the first thing we think about, okay, is what have you done with these guys that I have to wait for?
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And then there's also, well, I don't want to be graphic, but when we think about women having sex.
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Only thing I know is that it's cold, break it down.
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Well, I can't compare them, they're so different, you know what I'm saying?
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You probably would have caught it, I think, Nick.
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Yeah, I was just talking about, I was saying that the psychological foundation of the male
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mind with us valuing sex, when you do that, what you're saying is essentially what Brian
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We're not as important because the thing that we value, you aren't willing to give it to
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We don't really care about what you've been through.
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We care about the fact that these other motherfuckers got it, and I'm not getting it.
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And it doesn't mean we necessarily only want you for sex, but for men, sex is what creates
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So, withholding that is something that can obstruct the development of our relationship.
02:49:37.680
Let's say you were, you didn't really get a thorough background on a girl you were dating,
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and you're engaged, or even let's say you're married, and you find out, no, let's say engaged,
02:49:49.120
And you find out somehow, it never came up in conversation, you thought a certain way about
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the girl, but then she, somehow you find out that she'd previously slept with a hundred
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Do you think that's wrong for us to call off the engagement because she, it's wrong?
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But, hey, some people, I would say the conversations we have on this podcast,
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where we're talking about body count, I hear from a lot of women, they say, oh, I've never
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So, I assume a lot of these men are dating women.
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And a lot of them, it's like ignorance is bliss.
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But if they found out, so, in that scenario, would you object to the guy calling off the
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He finds out she's previously slept with a hundred people.
02:50:54.000
I don't understand why that would affect anything.
02:50:58.000
Well, we can get into that in a bit, but you object to the guy breaking it off under
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I think, like, I mean, if I was a girl and if I was in the exact same situation, I would
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And without asking what your body count actually is, if a guy found out what your body count
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was and you guys were engaged, let's assume, though, you know, you didn't spend anything
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He never asked you what your body count is, but somehow it comes up in conversation and
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Would you feel like that was an unfair, unjustified breakup?
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With my current body count or with, can you say that again?
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Okay, you're dating a guy, whatever your current body count is.
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You've been dating him for a year, you're engaged.
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Whether you tell him, he finds out from other people.
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And he's like, whoa, that's a bit too high for me.
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I would say then have fun finding someone, like, with lower.
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It's, there's not that many girls with lower, so.
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So, I wouldn't say, I would say that he's probably going to have to find a virgin.
02:52:58.920
I would respect that person even more, I think.
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He dumps you because of your current body count.
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I would just be like, okay, that's your problem.
02:53:25.020
I would not object to it, but honestly, he seriously should have passed away before the
02:53:30.820
I think that's honestly his fault for not doing due diligence to begin with, but I would
02:53:40.820
Like, if it is a deal break, like a huge deal breaker for you, then maybe you should
02:53:51.880
All of the deal breaker stuff should be asked earlier.
02:53:53.840
But how many people, like, y'all have been in relationships, right?
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Of all the relationships you've been in, how often is that a conversation?
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Like, do you disclose, like, you talk about, yeah, I fucked 10 other dudes.
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I would say most of them, but I've only been, like, ridiculed for having a sugar daddy,
02:54:52.920
And he moved from Turkey to the U.S. to be with you?
02:55:12.240
Oh, if a guy found out your body count, would he call it off?
02:55:18.280
In your relationship, have you ever been asked your body count?
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Yeah, yeah, I ask all the really personal questions.
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I don't think you know what the question is, my dear.
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I've never been asked, but I disclose it anyway.
02:55:45.500
I have a photo that we're going to pull up that is kind of related to this, the whole waiting.
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This is, see the guy in the suit and the flowers?
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But, like, that's kind of what I'm trying to say.
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Oh, I come along and I'm supposed to be the guy with the flowers and we're going to wait
02:56:20.580
Okay, but you're judging me for sleeping with other, like, men, technically, but most guys
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And as a woman, you are more than welcome to judge men for their promiscuity, but it
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happens to be the case that I think women are not quite as invested in male promiscuity
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Of course, you're welcome to disqualify the men you date because of their body counts.
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Realistically, though, women typically don't, so.
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Like, we might not, you know, judge a man for his body count, but we might judge him for
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if he has, like, a porn addiction or if he's liking other women's pictures on Instagram.
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Do you, so you think, is it insecure for a guy to care about a woman's body count?
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I think, like, that, like, that's, like, what I would assume.
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Because, like, if you're caring about, like, my past, like, like, who's done what with me
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And it's, you're not necessarily wrong, but I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to add
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What's wrong with a man being insecure about his woman having slept with a whole bunch of
02:58:05.720
Now, that's what I really want to know the answer to.
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Because I get tired of women saying, he's insecure, he's insecure.
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I don't like the fact that you slept with a whole bunch of men.
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I don't like the fact that you were a sperm depository, a cum, a cum dumpster.
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Now that I've admitted that I'm insecure and that it bothers me because I'm worried about
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I'm worried about if you're going to fall back into your ways, your habits, that when you
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were sleeping around with these men, that is going to reveal itself in our relationship.
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We ain't talking about me sleeping with other women.
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We talk about you addressing me being insecure.
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It will be worse than the meth head from the last podcast.
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Oh, if you wanted to, like, I have the list pulled up for you.
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So, I had said initially in response to a woman I went viral for this several times.
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I said, I'd be concerned about the long-term benefits of dealing with promiscuous women.
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I'd be concerned about, yeah, oxytocin receptors densified to the point where you can't effectively pair bond, poor sexual discipline.
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And you didn't receive orgasms from the guys that you dealt with, which means you constantly chase validation because you want to orgasm.
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So, you constantly have sex with more guys trying to chase an orgasm.
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All of those things are correlated to women having higher body counts, not to mention the scientifically rooted perspective of we are repulsed by women with higher body counts
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because of a phenomenon known as paternity uncertainty, which means a promiscuous woman is more likely to cuck you, to have a baby by another man, and you don't know about it.
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Oh, she wants to know, what's the science behind men who have a high body count?
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How does that affect marriages and relationships with future women?
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I don't think men, but I don't think men call women who don't want to date promiscuous men insecure.
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It's about the way we get labeled, but we don't do that to women.
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We don't say, oh, you're insecure because you don't want to date me because I slept with a lot of women.
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That's where these conversations, see, anytime women try to apply the same thing to men, the difference is what women say about men is not the same thing that men say about women.
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When the tables are turned, we accept when a woman don't want to date us for whatever reason, but women will shame us, call us names, say things about us.
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It's because you have small dick energy, yada, yada, yada.
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What y'all call insecure, I call having a boundary.
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I actually had, I got some more analogies, by the way, if that would be helpful.
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I will say health-wise, like, I would be scared.
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Well, someone who's had more sexual partners is more likely to have an STD, whether known
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Yeah, but somebody who's like, let me ask you a question, right?
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So you said it was like, was it a six-month period, a one-year period, where you had the,
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Every minute woman I met has tried to have sex with me.
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I don't even know what button to press for that one.
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We'll get to, we're going to pull it up in just a sec.
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Wait, so you're saying you'd have sex with a guy, and then you would not have sex with
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My ex, I don't know how to explain it, but he scared me, so I'm actually scared.
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Well, I have some more analogies here I'm going to give.
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Let's say we're dating, and I tell you I'm not the romantic type.
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I don't do much of anything that would be considered romantic.
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That's something that I think should wait until we're engaged or married.
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Meanwhile, you are treating me much better than the women I dated in the past ever did.
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And one day, somehow, you discover that the women I dated before you got flowers, cards,
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And they were women that I've told you were significantly of lesser value than you,
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They were just kind of, you know, these casual flings, and they didn't really matter to me.
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Like, I don't know how to explain it better, but.
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None of those scenarios say, okay, yeah, I understand.
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Everyone is paying $1 for a fancy T-bone steak.
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And then when it's finally your turn, you're informed that all they have left is a McDonald's
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You should be lucky that you're paying for everyone else.
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That was a terrible, I'm sorry, that was not a good one.
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It's kind of like, I mean, I would certainly give women, a woman credit if she was upfront
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But when, what ends up happening is women will sort of like LARP and pretend like, oh, I,
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these were always my standards and I've always treated men, you know, I've always made men
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Lo and behold though, like that was never truly, you're basically lying, which is an issue in
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So it's kind of this fraud because the whole point of a woman having a waiting period before
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she has sex is supposed to be due to her not being someone that gives sex away so easily.
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So having a man wait implies that I'm not easy to get into bed.
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Okay, but it's kind of things to men that we think that way, isn't it?
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Like the fact that, anyways, does anyone else want to talk?
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I feel like mine about, what's a good analogy, but nobody agreed.
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Your boyfriend of five years has yet to propose to you.
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He tells you he wants to take things slow and he isn't ready yet.
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You find out that he proposed to his previous two ex-girlfriends after just nine months of dating.
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If I'm waiting for a proposal and he hasn't given it to me in two years,
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then I probably wouldn't have stayed in that relationship for two years.
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That doesn't make sense, though, because how would you know what the future looks like?
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Then you would break it off because, like, it's been a year and you still haven't proposed.
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Women are going to, it's like, I'm, a woman's position is, I'm going to make you wait an arbitrary amount of time
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because I want to give you the impression that I'm not quick to give out sex.
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Oh, we got, yes, we have to do, we were, wait, we were originally going around, oh, really quick.
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So, have you ever had sex with a guy kind of early on, and then you met a future guy, maybe you saw long-term potential, and you made him wait?
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Sounds like it might have been the case for you.
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So, I don't, if there was a guy, and then there was another guy, that didn't happen.
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What's the, wait, so, okay, what's the shortest period of time you've waited before hooking up with somebody?
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Oh, I thought those two were pretty much, yeah, having sex, yeah.
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You really commit to the whole thing, right, with the eyes.
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Um, I made a guy wait, sorry, I made a guy wait, um, three months before I had sex with him.
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Um, have you ever hooked up with a guy before that quick?
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Yeah, so, um, after my, um, relationship ended, I hooked up with, um, a guy, um, a guy very
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quickly, because I was kind of going through, like, my heartbreak, um, and I didn't know how
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to, like, manage it at the time, so, yeah, I hooked up, and then that kind of, like, turned
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into, like, a very long situationship, um, but, yeah.
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Um, so, yeah, the shortest amount of time, a few hours.
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Wait, did we, okay, let me see, oh, I have to wait until she's back before I pull this
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Well, I gotta wait for the girls to come back, but, Nick, just do a double check, because there's
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I'm pretty sure there's, like, an ass somewhere.
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Um, there's a, Jordan Peterson, actually, there was a previous chat that came in.
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Nick, also, I want you to go into the Dropbox podcast videos folder.
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This was kind of related, uh, so, it's, and then the men folder, and it's called After
03:11:54.960
There's that one, and then there's one that's in the browser.
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Can you, can you tell me what it, it's the, should be the last one or the second, like,
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Actually, it might be the other video I wanted to, wait, let me see if.
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Do you guys think women should be paid equally to men?
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Like, do you think, I actually think we should, like, you know, like, equal board seats for women.
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There should be equal, like, deaths at sea for women, too.
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Like, like, equal drowning deaths at sea, like, workplace deaths.
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I think an equal amount of women should die at sea working.
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You guys, are you guys also not, are you guys, like, do you hate women?
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I mean, I would say that women are less like being whipped for those jobs because we don't have the same strength that men have.
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Do you, are you guys, like, misandrist, like those evil red pill guys?
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Like, are you just, you guys are just misogynist, aren't you?
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Because you don't want, like, I can't believe none of you are standing up and, like, demanding an equal amount of women die at sea while working.
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Like, this is really upsetting to me as a feminist here who believes women should also die at sea while working.
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I thought, is there another one in the folder, Nick?
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Do you guys believe in equal pay between men and women?
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Because, like, you know, I think, I'm a feminist.
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I think we should also be, like, you know, having, you know, women on, you know.
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You're just saying that because you're tired of women saying that they're feminists.
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I would really like to see, like, more women, like, you know, representation.
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Like, there should be equal debt, like, drownings for women.
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An equal amount of women should also drown, like, in, you know, their course of, their line of work.
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And, therefore, you know, that's why they're getting paid what they do.
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Because they're honestly doing the things that women wouldn't want to do and get their hands dirty.
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All right, let's play that video, if you can play that video, Nick.
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That was, I don't know if that was what I was looking for.
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Honestly, I love masculine men, that was like, I got goosebumps.
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All right, that was, those of you who are just tuning in,
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somebody requested one of the red pill, red pill.
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I don't even consider that red pill, but, you know,
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Actually, well, do we go around the table on that?
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Misra said in the intro that she did, OnlyFans and is in between right now.
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I want to claim that the whatever podcast is claiming that victory.
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She, she stopped doing OF because of the whatever podcast.
03:21:17.900
There's a video of, wait, Nick, can you find Nala's Instagram?
03:21:19.900
She got baptized shortly after her second appearance on the whatever podcast.
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And I was her spiritual guide to getting there.
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So that's a big fucking W for the whatever podcast.
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And we'd love to add you to also to maybe both of you.
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Are you going to stop now that you've come back on the whatever podcast?
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Are you, can you, can you just look deep into this camera and be like, hi.
03:21:44.900
My experience on the whatever cat, whatever podcast was so enlightening.
03:21:48.900
My experience on the whatever podcast is so enlightening and I'm now considering becoming more of a whore online.
03:22:11.900
Um, so you're quitting your only fans because you came on the whatever podcast.
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Feminism, the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.
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Advocacy of women's rights on the basis of what?
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We should be basing it on more than just gender.
03:22:57.900
So, Misra, he says something about, do you have a chatter?
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Like, I've told my agency, so no one should be on my account right now.
03:23:30.900
We have Stifler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10, starting with
03:23:50.900
Well, my dear, if I can direct your attention to the screen right there, ask everyone to
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Like no, like five for looks and five for personality.
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What do you think other people would rate your looks on average one to
03:25:03.900
So the first question is what do you rate your own looks?
03:25:06.900
And this question, he's finally after 140 episodes.
03:25:10.900
He's finally decided to add a slightly clarifying question here.
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I feel like that's such a hard question to answer because so many people like prefer different things.
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Some people don't like girls that are taller than them.
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I actually think, I will tell you, I think you rated yourself lower than you actually
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Oh wait, so your own self-assessment is five, but you think people on the outside would view
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Because you said five and then, but other people will see you as a six.
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I would say, like at work or just like in general?
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I'm not going to linger on that one for too long.
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Let's get into some of our pre-show notes finally.
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We talked about, you know, your whole gym thing.
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So if text, like is mailing something, like to mail something that's, that you're putting
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I only wrote down, I started here cause I heard her nine.
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Maybe remove, remove your makeup and then cause like makeup can definitely add like at
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And it's just like that, you know, kind of natural makeup.
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Uh, I think you guys were pretty, uh, there's definitely over inflated ratings.
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Well, I was going to say not a nine, not a nine.
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I don't know what you look like without makeup.
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And you spend hours putting it on to look worse.
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That wasn't really the central argument that I was trying to make.
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I don't object to women coming on the show wearing makeup.
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That was the other thing I disagreed with Ryan on.
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We can have a conversation about like general makeup usage.
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You would spend time putting something on you and perhaps spending money on it.
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Honestly, I kind of regret wearing makeup tonight.
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Those like, you know, I have like little dark circles like around my eyes.
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My husband says it looks like I'm wearing all day eyeshadow.
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So, honestly, I'm just wearing the makeup to enhance.
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I'm not wearing it to change my appearance in any way.
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I put a little maple syrup in it to, you know, I like, I put a little maple syrup in it.
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There's no way water's making it stick like that.
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Bring out the wet wipes and see if they're legit or not.
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So, it's the chlorine water that keeps it nice and spruce.
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The argument is that we wear makeup to enhance our beauty.
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But you enhancing your hair with product is the same as enhancing our faces.
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There's zero, there's zero product in my hair right now.
03:35:49.900
Okay, but have you put product in your hair before?
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I haven't put product in my hair since elementary school.
03:36:00.900
And then like you sweat and then it's like ugh.
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Do you do anything that doesn't come naturally?
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I mean, I styled my hair for like two minutes before the show.
03:36:33.900
I mean, look, I'll engage with it, but it's not...
03:36:40.900
Do you think that a woman who wears a little bit of eyeliner
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is comparable to a woman who has lipo, fake tits, and a BBL?
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Do you think that's like an equivalent sort of enhancement of your physical appearance?
03:37:00.900
So I'm saying that the jump you're making is somewhat similar from styling your hair a
03:37:08.900
I think your comparison is like way bigger than what I'm saying.
03:37:14.900
You do at least acknowledge that you're making a leap.
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I'm making a leap for you because apparently you don't wear hair gel.
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A lot of guys do wear hair gel or style their hair in some sort of way or like, you know.
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Do you think men who style their hair, even if they do use hair gel, is as much of a deception
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or a fraud or a facade or a veneer as is wearing a full face of makeup?
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Do you think that it changes the appearance to the same degree that a full face of makeup
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I don't know how crusty is his hair in the morning.
03:38:09.900
The difference is though is women are also capable of styling their hair too.
03:38:29.900
I'm like, I literally have videos all over YouTube without any makeup on.
03:38:46.900
Oh, I'm saying like makeup goes back all the way.
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It's not a normal thing for a guy to just like wake up and like throw on a full face.
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It's like one person standing facing like a crowd of...
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Facing a crowd of people and it's just one person and there's a little speech bubble
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I'll try to engage in the conversation while I'm trying to find this.
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It's not normal for guys to wake up and wear makeup.
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If you see a woman with makeup, are you gonna be shocked?
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Are you gonna be like, oh, my God, you're lying about how you look?
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And obviously, you can also tell, if you look at a woman, is she caked?
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Or is she just wearing something that's natural and just flattering?
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Is she really trying to, you know, hide something?
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Does she have, like, acne or something that she's insecure about?
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So, that's the horde of people who are pro makeup, and then that's me over there.
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Can you just show us the page, and I'll just...
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Also, my husband does prefer me without makeup, so I also don't really wear makeup because
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I think that your view is saying that, you know, maybe you think it's unfair.
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That woman can wear makeup, and we can look all cute, but a guy, you're just...
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So, I mean, I have a couple different positions on this.
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My first position to address the actual thing that you just said was, there is certainly
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So, men are expected to accept women's usage of makeup and not have any objections to it,
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despite how significantly it can totally transform how you actually look.
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There's no second thought when it comes to applying a full face of makeup, will very quickly
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judge a man who wears a toupee, who wears a cap, but he's actually bald.
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Who would judge a man for wearing makeup, even though I don't recommend it.
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You would judge a man for wearing lifts in his shoes.
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You would judge him for doing any sort of comparable or similar deception or fraud or veneer
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or facade when it came to his physical appearance.
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You would think he's insecure if he were to change, like, use something fake to enhance
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Like, if a guy showed up to a date wearing a muscle suit or some shit, you'd be like,
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But women will wear push-up bras or even fake...
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And men are supposed to accept your deception and your deceit, whereas...
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I could see if it was, like, loads and tons of makeup, but I'm like, it's just...
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I mean, if you don't got boobies, rock your little boobies.
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If a man got bicep implants, you would fucking think it's ridiculous.
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Most women would be like, he's a fucking clown, but you guys are putting that in your chest.
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Okay, but you could work out for bigger biceps.
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And my husband has seen me without makeup many...
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Maybe just a little mascara and, like, tinted blush or something.
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And so, that's why I say 99% of the time I don't wear it.
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But I don't think there's anything wrong or it's really not that deep if a girl wears makeup
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If she's trying to completely modify how she appears with makeup and, like, change her appearance, then, yeah.
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You know, if she's going out every single day like that, you know, and she's completely covered up, then...
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But, like, if you look at a girl, even when she has makeup or not, you'll know she's pretty.
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In all instances, if makeup didn't make you look better, regardless of how minimal the makeup you apply is, if it didn't make you look better in some capacity, why would you otherwise wear it?
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Because we enjoy the process, and when we were little, we had dolls, and we played with makeup, and we played with our mom's makeup.
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Just like you played with cars, we played with makeup and dolls.
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It's literally ingrained in us to, like, beauty-related things.
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Let me add that to my list of other things when it comes to my daughter.
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I don't think you can guarantee something that hasn't happened yet.
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No, I can guarantee it because, I mean, the woman who I would marry would probably share my sentiments on this.
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Typically, I'm not dating women who cake on makeup.
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Typically, the women I date wear minimal or no makeup.
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Like, every movie, like, you see, like, the woman has makeup on and she's seen as beautiful.
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Even, like, you think about, like, the geishas with, like, the white paint on their skin.
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It's not disrespectful to think that that level...
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That's not talking crap about somebody's culture.
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Yes, prostitution is terrible, whatever term you apply to it.
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So, I'm not allowed to be critical of somebody else's culture?
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Do you object to the Saudi government disallowing women to drive cars?
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Do you think women should be allowed to drive cars in Saudi Arabia?
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No, what do you think about women who are required to wear hijabs?
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I'm not making a judgment either way, but I'm asking you.
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Let's say a woman doesn't have the right to dress as she wants in certain cultures.
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You're being very disrespectful of Muslim culture.
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I'm saying that you're going, oh, that's ridiculous.
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The more pale your skin is, the more beautiful you are.
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No, but you wanted to like virtue signal, Brian.
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Let me show some respect to the Japanese culture.
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I have immense respect for the Japanese culture, okay?
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Aesthetically, I think the geisha look doesn't...
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I don't think it looks that great either, but my point was...
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But see, my choice of words were different than your choice of words.
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Hostess trained to entertain men with conversation, dance, and song?
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Humans have been warring even before makeup existed.
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Do you think that that means that it's a desirable thing?
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I would say that if a woman chooses to enhance her beauty...
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Because you could easily just ask her on a date and ask her to not wear makeup or take her swimming.
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We've got to find a makeup video where I'm going on makeup.
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So, you said it's not lying and it's not a facade.
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I think I showed you the video that I was wanting to pull up.
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You're going to show an extreme transformation.
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So there's like a bunch and then you want me to pick one, right?
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Well, it should be the last one that I added to the makeup tab.
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So why would you be concerned about other women wearing makeup?
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You can do whatever you want, but like if we're having a conversation...
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Like if we're trying to have a conversation about it, like my view on it is that it is...
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You can get around it all you want, but if it didn't change your appearance for the
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Do you think most women who wear makeup only do so when they're on camera?
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Like, you know, women who go to school, go to work...
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This conversation is not strictly about women who are invited onto podcasts or on videos.
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And he'd prefer a girl with no makeup or minimal makeup.
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You guys are probably all super triggered by this.
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I would say that, like, wearing a lot of makeup...
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To deliver a performance without commitment or effort with lackluster results.
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But Brian is awesome, so I don't get why anyone said that about him.
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Yeah, I thought it had a negative commentation.
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But the rest of the comments seemed so positive.
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You can even drag it over here so I can see it.
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I don't think it's, like, one of those super extreme ones.
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You can kind of tell if a girl's wearing a lot or not.
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The girls are silent because they know it's true.
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A full face and, like, slight makeup is different.
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So, if I can admit that that's, like, a pretty extreme transformation, can you admit that it's a scale?
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So, like, perhaps, like, it's not all the way over here, but maybe it's in the middle, right?
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It might be enough to be like, oh, she's a no, but, like, the makeup could put her over into the, like, I think she's attractive.
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You could also work out and look a lot better, too.
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Like, you'll see, like, a woman who's overweight or obese spend time putting on makeup.
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And I think you'd be much better suited by hitting the gym.
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You can instantly add one, two points to your attractiveness.
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I think there should really be limitations on how much makeup women can wear.
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Women give themselves a whole bunch of features that they don't have.
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Y'all give yourselves eyebrows y'all don't have, cheekbones y'all don't have, lashes y'all don't have, lips y'all don't have,
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And then when y'all take it off, y'all look smeared.
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I've never seen human beings look like you drew them on a piece of paper and then you just erase all the most prominent features in certain areas and that's what you're left with.
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A lot of y'all be looking sickly without it because you wear it so much and you wear too much of it.
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Y'all be looking like y'all either have a severe cold, the flu or the suds.
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That's what you're attracted to initially, that face that you see.
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When y'all have on this makeup and then you take it off and we realize that that's a whole made up face that you just put on top of what that is under it.
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Listen, what we just saw was grounds for what I just said.
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That fits the criteria for exactly what I'm explaining in the video.
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It kind of smoothed out your face a little bit.
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You should have raw-dogged that video so you can really get the essence of your message.
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That doesn't undermine my message either, nor does it eliminate.
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That filter gave you the smoothness that you don't have.
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You tried it, but it's not really a difference.
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No, because you are a filter and your message was literally to be unfiltered.
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At the end of the day, at the end of the day, makeup is sorcery like I say it.
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I'm just saying, to really get a whole essence of your message, you should have
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There's certainly a difference though when, for example, could we make this argument
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of like, let's say someone's involved in a theatrical production and that person's a male.
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And in the theatrical production, typically they apply eyeliner even to men.
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Not even to change your face, but they do apply makeup in a theatrical production.
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And we can almost extend this to, for example, you know, somebody who's creating content
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Now, I don't think cue using a filter in a non-romantic setting.
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Like what I'm making an argument from these are women who were choosing to date.
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These are women who we see on dating apps who are using filters, who are wearing makeup.
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If, you know, if we're meeting organically in person, say that, you know, at a, not that
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I recommend bars or nightclubs, but say you meet a girl at a bar or nightclub, she may
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So I don't think it's a totally fair comparison because cue was using a filter to like, when
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he meets a girl on a first date, there is no filter.
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Whereas if he meets a girl on a date, she's probably wearing makeup.
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It's like, you don't like, we don't always see the raw footage when it's online.
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You know, the funniest part about all this, my husband's probably at home laughing going,
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Cause our, my husband's not a fan of, of makeup either.
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He likes when I wear a little bit here and there, but he does prefer me without it.
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I just don't get this whole, like, I'm sure like, okay.
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If makeup didn't improve your physical appearance in some way, if it didn't do that, you wouldn't
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We enjoy how it makes us feel like me when I'm like doing, if I do my makeup, like I
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said, I do it like literally less than 10 times a year.
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So when I, but when I do it though, it's kind of like when I'm doing my skincare, it's like,
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Like being able to go, Hmm, what kind of look do I want today?
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Your motivations aside, if we're speaking within a dating context, whatever your reasons
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Like, don't you want to put on your best look on your first date?
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Like you're going to wear a shirt that like compliments your shoulders.
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You're a bit extreme, but I'm, I'm high maintenance.
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Cause I'll be, I'll tell a girl, don't wear, don't wear perfume.
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I just honestly think if you look at a woman, whether she's wearing makeup or not, you can,
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for the most part, like, again, that example is really extreme, but for the most part, you
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can tell like, okay, this woman has natural beauty or not.
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Like if you look at me right now and go, I don't think you'd be pretty without makeup.
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Well, that's not what I'm arguing, but see, it's, it's like trickery.
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It's, it's deception because we make like snap instant assessments that are subconscious
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Now, if we take like a decent, like a look, you know, we can sort of start sussing out.
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But I mean, again, we should, but like no amount of makeup can make a woman just go
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Like she was like, Oh, I'm making a funny face.
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Like if you, if you do a video and it's like your worst angle and you're like making
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a double chin and you're like doing all this crazy stuff.
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If you put her, if without the makeup, you put her, if you do a before and after exact
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Some women, they go like, Oh, D I get it, but not, let's play the dentures.
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So, I mean, you know, yeah, look, here's the thing, right?
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The global cosmetic industry is a $500 billion a year industry.
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It has a vested interest in keeping you essentially slaves to the paint, as I call it.
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You're going to fight for, you're, you're basically, this is like some, I'm not going
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You're going to defend it because, uh, you know, you are, you're beholden to the paint.
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Cause I don't really wear it, but I know a lot of, a lot of women do.
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If you're going to be in a relationship with her, you're going to see her without makeup.
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Eventually you're going to see her without makeup.
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Would you object to a man breaking up with a girl?
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If say they went, they were dating for, they've been on 10 dates and then he didn't see her
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And then he's like, Whoa, this woman is not as attractive as I thought she was fair or not
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Don't, don't let me bully you just because I'm very convincing.
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Don't let me bully you into a position that you don't actually hold.
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If you're not attracted to someone anymore, you're not attracted to someone anymore.
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Do you think that on dating apps, women should include at least one photo of themselves
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I mean, and this is like, play it one more time.
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Oh, look at all those recommended videos for the whatever podcast.
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Once again, I mean, I don't like, you might want to claim that that's a glam.
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I think that a lot of women would do that amount of makeup.
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A lot of like, I don't think that's a crazy amount.
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But I don't like you'll see you'll meet a girl at a club wearing that much makeup.
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You'll meet a girl in person wearing that much makeup.
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Do you think it's fair if a woman gets with a guy and he had like a full six pack and then
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he gained 50 pounds and she's like, you know what?
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It's a bit different, but no, but I'm just saying because that's what you're working with.
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If she's not physically attracted to him anymore.
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He it could be evidence of some sort of he's not being disciplined.
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The the circumstances of the initial physical attraction could change.
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If you're going on a on a date with a woman and it's like, you know, you only go on a
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date or two and you've only seen her with makeup.
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But like if you get into a relationship, then obviously you should see her without makeup.
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And then at that point you can make an assessment that you want to make.
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But I don't think you should, you know, deem women as like sorcerers because they decide
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to wear a little bit of mascara and a little bit of blush like.
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OK, well, the thing is, though, is that when I was on dating apps and I no longer am.
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I mean, I can't tell you the this wasn't just a rare thing.
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I think I still have like I don't use it, but I still have like one of the dating apps.
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I think it's connected to Facebook or whatever.
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I could like pull up, pull out my phone and we could swipe together looking at the women.
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It's 99 percent of profiles filter or makeup or both.
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And then maybe some of them have a photo that's not them in makeup or not filtered, but there will be more than I would argue more than 50 percent.
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Their entire profile is filter and or makeup or both.
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I mean, look, there's dudes on dating apps, I guess, who use filters.
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I think it's much less common than women, but it's like every single profile, every single photo.
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And I've experienced it in person because I went out with a lot of my followers.
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And the girl I see that I'm following and the girl that shows up, sometimes I don't even realize it's the same person.
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So it's not the same level of attraction that I that I have when I see them when I'm following them.
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Like y'all saying, no, it's not as profound as we're making it.
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But when you actually experience it, it occurs pretty often, if you ask me.
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I honestly think like I do agree that the extreme measures is sorcery or scam, as you would say.
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But would you have an issue with a woman who's already very beautiful and decides to wear natural makeup here and there?
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Who created and socially enforces the current beauty standard for women?
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Oh, I was asking him a question, but it's fine.
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But if you had to point to an individual who has probably been responsible for a large swath, large swaths of women getting breast implants, lipo, and BBLs, a famous woman or a famous person, who is that individual?
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Men don't ask for your fake nails and your lip filler and your caked on makeup and your fake tits and your BBLs.
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But to answer your question, what would you say you said?
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So, my question was like, would you have a problem if you were, say, dating a woman who's already very beautiful naturally without makeup?
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But here and there, she decides to wear natural makeup when you're going out.
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And honestly, I don't have a problem with it, but my preference is still for her natural beauty.
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Yeah, I don't have a problem with it, but my preference is, I prefer lip gloss.
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Because he just agreed that there's no problem with natural makeup, and that's what I've been advocating for, natural makeup.
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This isn't normally how I would wear makeup if I were to.
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The last girl I was seriously dating, when I first met her, she wore makeup, like, a lot.
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And then when I seen her naturally, you know, she started not wearing it because I was like, I don't, you look better without it.
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And then there's been women who don't wear makeup, and as soon as they put it on, I actually think they look worse with makeup than they do without it.
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Because I've gotten so used to seeing them without it, and their natural beauty is what I'm accustomed to.
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So when they put it on, I'm like, what the fuck?
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Not all women know how to wear makeup either, or know how to apply it.
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But my point is that, you know, if you think she's beautiful either way, then you're not going to have an issue with it.
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But I understand, but I understand what he's saying.
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I did hear you say, as I was walking to the restroom, that you would date a woman who wears a little bit of makeup or something like that.
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You said it depends how much she's wearing, right?
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My strong preference is to date a woman who wears minimal or no makeup.
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So if she's wearing a bit of eyeliner, honestly, anything that goes on your face, don't like it.
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If you're wearing a bit of mascara or eyeliner, that's not the crime of the century.
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It's a preference because some guys do like makeup.
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Right, because they want to take the blue pill.
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But just because they like women with makeup doesn't negate the fact that they still like their women without it.
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Because they can trick their minds into thinking that you're more attractive than you actually are.
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But when he puts it up, it just does something to me.
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Facial attraction is something totally different than the hairstyle.
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Look, it ultimately comes down to by wearing makeup, you're depriving us of making an informed decision about your true attractiveness.
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But like, okay, if you are, let's say you're going to a party where you anticipate meeting a guy and you want to, you know, you're single, ready to mingle.
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Well, you are changing your physical appearance and men are not able to like, especially if it's dark, throw in some alcohol.
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You, you're certainly like by wearing makeup, you are changing your appearance.
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I suppose men are so oblivious that they don't really notice like what she's wearing or what product she's wearing.
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You're kind of debating on a topic that maybe you don't really understand makeup as well as women do.
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Maybe you don't know exactly what we're wearing.
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Which adds to the, which adds to the deception and the facade.
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I, like I said, I, I'm saying if you're going extreme, then yeah, that's, that's doing too much.
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And, and I would argue, I'm actually, I have a fairly good assessment of, you know, looking at a woman being able to assess if she, you know, her degree of makeup usage.
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But like take an 18 year old, 19 year old guy who's naive, who maybe doesn't have a lot of dating experience, who doesn't even know that, you know, what to really be looking for.
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So would you like to know before, like, here's the reality, right?
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You like a man with a full head of hair, right?
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Brian, that's a W disgusting 300 and Forsby catfishing and busted gremlin looking motherfuckers
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And you have to hold up the wipe so we can see how much comes off.
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No, I'm going to take it off and then you're going to like lower my rating just to
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You're trying to make a point by saying, oh, I don't look that off.
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Brian and Islam doesn't force specific items or style of clothing.
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Hijab means barrier of modesty and is a guideline enforcing it isn't an Islamic law.
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It's a cultural issue in a few select countries.
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By the way, just to be clear, I wasn't taking a position on cultural positions in these
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I was just countering her argument to her accusations of me being culturally disrespectful.
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Oh, don't throw, by the way, don't throw out the wipe.
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Bring back the wipes so we can hold them up to the can.
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I mean, there's probably still a lot more on your face.
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Believing makeup is deception, tricking and blasphemy.
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Literally nothing wrong with a woman trying to make herself look her best and enhancing
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But keep that same energy, ladies, for dates when a guy shows up with a cap and actually
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You're telling me you wouldn't feel a little bit deceived.
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But I think men care a lot more about looks than women.
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I think women will date a guy who's not like their type, but men won't like date or
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He can be less attractive, but he has to be more attractive in other areas to make up
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for the fact that he's not as physically attractive.
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I think women care way more about looks than men do.
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I think women care about looks, but in a sense of...
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Like, I don't know how to, like, exactly say this, but like, I think it's more of like...
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And granted, I think you said you're not wearing all that much.
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I was just saying, like, women usually wear makeup, like, for other women.
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No, no, we were saying who cares more about looks.
04:26:21.900
But I know, but, like, the point of makeup is...
04:26:31.900
Well, but you said that, well, men care more about looks.
04:26:35.900
I actually said, well, actually, I think women care more about looks than men care about women's looks.
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Well, really quickly to address antenna boy here.
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Um, nothing wrong with a woman trying to make herself look her best.
04:26:54.900
Well, there is something wrong with it if it's changing your physical appearance to such a degree that a man would feel deceived.
04:27:32.900
But you're arguing, like, the most extreme case of makeup.
04:27:35.900
Like, all of these girls here today are wearing maybe a little bit of makeup, but it's like...
04:27:46.900
I mean, compared to the video that you showed, like, none of this is full glam.
04:27:56.900
I feel like it's not really deceptive, anyone here, and this is...
04:28:08.900
The average woman that you see in the street, at the grocery store, out, like, we're not
04:28:13.900
But the average woman that you're seeing out, you're at Whole Foods.
04:28:28.900
Because if I download a dating app right now, and you sit next to me, and I'm swiping on
04:28:33.900
Tinder, and we're looking at the first photo that comes up, I guarantee you, 90% of the
04:28:39.900
first photo, it's going to be full face of makeup.
04:28:43.900
And then perhaps it's a lower percentage of the entire, every single photo in her profile
04:28:54.900
But with the whole thing with, like, women caring about looks more than men...
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I feel like more commonly, I see unattractive men with more attractive women than you see
04:29:08.900
No, because women are generally slightly more attractive than men.
04:29:21.900
Women are generally slightly more attractive than men.
04:29:30.900
If there's an entire industry, the beauty industry, and let's say, like, the consumer
04:29:35.900
base of that industry is 90% women, and you're going through...
04:29:40.900
You're spending this money and going through this effort to make yourself look more physically
04:29:45.900
attractive, then that'll just naturally end up bolstering your physical appearance.
04:30:58.900
I tend to think women look as good or sometimes better without makeup.
04:31:03.900
I think you're an attractive woman with or without makeup.
04:31:12.900
Okay, really quick to adjust the whole women caring more about looks.
04:31:17.900
Okay, so here's my view on this, and you guys feel free to weigh in.
04:31:21.900
So, I think women care a lot, a lot about things, physically speaking, that are totally outside of a man's control.
04:31:35.900
You could even, I mean, height, hair, and if a man's balding, that's really out of his control.
04:31:44.900
Penis size, physical size, and then we can also talk like race, skin color.
04:31:51.900
Two, women are far less likely to, men are more likely to, or more willing to date outside of their race than the reverse.
04:32:01.900
And perhaps the, I think the solely, well, there's stats on this.
04:32:10.900
But men are more likely to date outside their race.
04:32:13.900
So, there are more things out of our control that are a really big deal for women, oftentimes deal breakers, than the reverse.
04:32:33.900
Whereas the things we care about when it comes to your looks, aside men who have like a very, very, who care about breast size.
04:32:43.900
Which ass size, women can control to some extent through exercise.
04:32:48.900
Really, the primary thing that, you know, in terms of, you can control when it comes to your weight.
04:33:01.900
So, that's why I think women care more about looks than men do.
04:33:04.900
Yeah, I'd say men care more about looks for women.
04:33:10.900
And I'd say women care more about like money and stuff like that.
04:33:17.900
I feel like all of that stuff kind of blows over depending on how much money the man has.
04:33:20.900
You're literally wearing a t-shirt that says size queen.
04:33:25.900
This was a gift to her and I'm wearing it in spirit of her tonight.
04:33:43.900
The thing is, is like, if you look at all of my old videos, if you look at my stuff pinned
04:33:57.900
Um, so like, if it's a nice person that I like spending time with and it's an average
04:34:06.900
But if he's a jerk and an asshole, but he has a huge dick, he'll tolerate disrespect
04:34:10.900
and poor treatment because he's compensating or he's, he's, uh, bringing something else
04:34:25.900
So look, a lot of women have a penis size preference, height preference, right?
04:34:33.900
And like, do you have a bare minimum height preference for a guy?
04:34:36.900
Um, I'm 5'10", and I've dated all the way down to 5'6".
04:35:01.900
I'm 5'9", and I have gone on a date with a guy who was 5'8", but after you were explaining
04:35:06.900
like, your perspective on that, I see what you're saying.
04:35:10.900
There wasn't a second date with that guy, was there?
04:35:12.900
Well, for other reasons, not because of his height.
04:35:18.900
Um, I think I was thinking more of men like to have an attractive woman, because that like
04:35:24.900
Whereas women don't really care about the status.
04:35:26.900
Like if their man is not as good looking, if they love their man, they're still going
04:35:39.900
But I mean, maybe the way you worded it just, but I get what you're saying.
04:35:44.900
If women didn't really care all that much about looks, actually, hold on.
04:35:52.900
Um, I'm 5'5", and I think like minimum for me is like 5'10".
04:35:59.900
Um, I'm 5'3", and as long as he's taller than me.
04:36:18.900
But I do want to add that on average women are shorter than men.
04:36:29.900
It's just natural that they're going to date a man who's a little bit taller.
04:36:33.900
Now the penis thing, I think that's a little bit ridiculous.
04:36:37.900
And I also think that men care more about beauty and women care more about status.
04:36:44.900
Well, I can give you an argument, but really quick on the height thing.
04:37:22.900
Well, I mean, a lot of women say, you know, height's not that big of a deal, but...
04:37:29.900
So women are shorter on average than men on average.
04:37:34.900
But you'll have videos of women who are like five feet saying, like, they'll have like height requirements for men.
04:37:41.900
And this is also evidenced as what's going on on dating apps.
04:37:44.900
Women can filter by height and they've actually looked at, they've done analysis on this.
04:37:48.900
Women will filter, like put in a filter and say, I want to date a guy above this height.
04:38:03.900
He's saying that those are things that you can change, though.
04:38:06.900
You can change your hair color, you can get implants, you can get a BBL, but he cannot do anything to make his bone structure taller.
04:38:22.900
Yeah, you can get a surgery to make yourself taller.
04:38:24.900
And also there is a surgery you can get to change your ankle.
04:38:42.900
What percentage of men do you swipe no on, on a dating app?
04:38:59.900
So on dating apps where you're really just making a very quick judgment about someone's
04:39:04.900
physical appearance, why is it the case that you guys are only swiping yes on like 1% of
04:39:10.900
dudes, whereas dudes are swiping on like a lot of, like what, 50% of women?
04:39:18.900
So women are much pickier when it comes to physical appearance.
04:39:23.900
Ergo, ergo, women care more about looks than men do.
04:39:28.900
When it comes to, when it comes to dating apps, things like speed dating, you will find that
04:39:33.900
women place a premium on a man's physical appearance.
04:39:39.900
And it makes sense because you have nothing to judge other than his physical appearance.
04:39:43.900
So if you initially see that he's not physically attractive, you're going to disqualify him.
04:39:48.900
The guys who are typically attractive, they get the most swipes, they get the most matches.
04:39:52.900
Whereas the guys who's not typically attractive, they tend to be the most, most of the men.
04:40:03.900
Also, this is a really niche example I'm about to give.
04:40:06.900
But I would argue men who are physically disabled compared to women who are physically disabled.
04:40:11.900
Men are going to struggle way more in dating if they're physically disabled than women.
04:40:17.900
Do you know what's interesting is that there's a study done.
04:40:21.900
And if a woman in a marriage gets, or not terminally ill, but severely ill,
04:40:26.900
they're six times more likely to be left by their male partner than if the male was to get sick.
04:40:32.900
Well, the issue with that study is probably I don't think it's been replicated.
04:40:36.900
So you have a huge issue with a lot of these soft science studies called the, I forgot the exact term.
04:40:51.900
And also, I would add, ask you, who is doing these studies?
04:40:57.900
Like, a lot of these studies are done by, like, feminists who already have decided what the end result is,
04:41:07.900
and they're going to try to confirm their bias.
04:41:10.900
And if you go into a study, for example, cigarette companies in, I think, the 60s, right,
04:41:17.900
hired scientists to study the harmful effects of cigarettes.
04:41:22.900
And they came out with studies that said, well, cigarettes are actually not harmful.
04:41:26.900
In fact, they can be, you know, they can have some positive health impacts.
04:41:34.900
So if, who, you got to ask yourself, who's funding these studies?
04:41:38.900
I don't have a computer with notes in front of me.
04:41:42.900
Okay, then let me bring a computer with some notes.
04:41:45.900
Typically, you know how valid they are about how controversial results are going to be.
04:41:49.900
Like, a lot of these are bought, they're political.
04:41:53.900
So, like what Brian said, there is a replication.
04:41:58.900
I won't call it a crisis, because I work in the field of psychology, so I won't call it a crisis.
04:42:03.900
But there are studies, when we talk about attraction and things like women valuing looks,
04:42:07.900
those are some of the most replicated studies, like evolutionary psychology, et cetera.
04:42:12.900
But when you talk about, like, what did you just say?
04:42:14.900
Men were more likely to leave their sick wives than their sick partner were to leave them.
04:42:22.900
That's not to say it's invalid or unreliable, but I've just never heard it.
04:42:28.900
I mean, I reread it yesterday, but I knew about it probably two years ago,
04:42:33.900
because my sister and I talk about this kind of stuff all the time.
04:42:35.900
And she also majored in psych, criminology, all of that, so.
04:42:42.900
But you agreed, though, that men do value beauty more than women do.
04:42:49.900
Yeah, because that's how we draw inferences about a woman's fertility.
04:42:52.900
But the argument is that, like, I guess for an initial date, yeah, maybe women are a little bit more judgmental.
04:43:00.900
But in terms of long term, like, if you get with a woman and she's, like, really beautiful, but then, like, she just, she just totally goes downhill.
04:43:12.900
Then maybe you wouldn't want to stay with her versus.
04:43:16.900
Versus a woman who's with a guy and if he, if he gets.
04:43:24.900
If she declines in appearance, then the guy, he'd probably stay with her, but he'd probably step outside of the relationship.
04:43:29.900
But typically you would say, like, men have more stressful jobs, right?
04:43:34.900
So, but a woman isn't going to leave a man for that.
04:43:41.900
So you, but you, you agree, though, that there is that difference.
04:43:46.900
But the, the distinction I drew was that I would say men, women value physical appearance as much as men, but men are more visually receptive and sexually stimulated by a woman's physical appearance than women are with men.
04:44:07.900
So, I would also argue, in terms of appearance, depictions of aspirational body types for men are far harder to achieve and attain than what you see of women.
04:44:24.900
But like, so let me, what are you going off of?
04:44:26.900
So she said no, but so let me, let me try to give a bit more details because I, it's, so if you look at, for example, superhero movies.
04:44:34.900
So if you look at the men in superhero movies, the aspirational body type, in order to achieve as a man, the aspirational body type, the apex, the optimum body type, that's going to require either.
04:44:50.900
Either, I mean, elite level genetics, treating the gym like a full-time, part-time job, excuse me, or steroid use.
04:45:00.580
Whereas women, I would argue, an eight, any, any 18 year old woman, so long as she monitors her caloric intake without even having to do any sort of physical training, can achieve a near idealistic, uh, aspirational body type.
04:45:21.040
A woman need not do strength training, for example, to have what 99% of men will deem like a sexy or a hot body.
04:45:31.920
But for a man to have an aspirational body, to have a hot or sexy body, he will need to have some degree, or perhaps a huge degree, of, uh, physical training to achieve that.
04:45:50.040
I would say that your ideal body type that you're talking about in the superhero movies and all of that is, like, ideal to men by other men.
04:46:02.320
But if you, okay, most women are on, like, some kind of hormonal birth control.
04:46:05.940
And if you look, birth control makes women more attracted to more feminine features.
04:46:09.700
And, like, okay, let's, let's remove poison from the conversation.
04:46:15.180
And let's talk about, I'm being, I'm exaggerating, but you're, you're making the argument that it's, it's changing women to be more attracted to feminine features.
04:46:27.160
That's not the natural order of things, though.
04:46:30.680
But that's the reality right now of what women are more attracted to.
04:46:33.440
It's that, like, Pete Davison, that scrawny, like, drugged-out motherfucker.
04:46:43.900
I don't think women and more women on average prefer men that are, like, taking, like, a heavy dosage of PEDs, performance-enhancing drugs.
04:46:54.220
And honestly, I think everybody should strength train.
04:46:56.980
I don't think women should just watch their calories.
04:47:02.000
Because for a man, because you're naturally going to have more testosterone,
04:47:06.480
you're going to be able to put on a lot more muscle mass and a lot quicker if you train in the gym.
04:47:11.500
And honestly, if you're a guy, you're not going to the gym.
04:47:18.420
But honestly, I don't think, like, personally, if you just work out and you take care of your body,
04:47:29.020
And I don't think women are attracted to, like, super yoked, like, we're not attracted to that.
04:47:34.760
But I would argue, like, I'm not saying, like, full-on bodybuilder status.
04:47:39.580
But I would argue, like, if you compare an untrained man to a guy who has just an athletic build.
04:47:48.020
So, like, you know, he's got definition and he's cut, whatever.
04:47:55.080
I would argue most women are going to be more attracted to the athletic build versus, like,
04:48:01.780
most women would probably actually put the guy who's just skinny.
04:48:05.300
They're not going to put that in, like, the attractive category from a body perspective.
04:48:11.340
Whereas a woman can be just have a low body fat percentage and be deemed physically attractive,
04:48:20.500
Whereas a guy who's done no physical training and he's just, he just has a low body fat percentage,
04:48:33.820
No, but I'm just saying, but even then, if you think about it this way, like, men typically
04:48:39.980
So, sometimes, you know, you can build a little bit of muscle from your job.
04:48:44.460
But honestly, I don't think it's ridiculously hard to get in shape.
04:48:53.600
For a woman to, like, have a body that a lot of men will view as sexy,
04:48:57.640
she need not never participate in a sport, she need not never even exercise, she need not ever even step foot in a gym.
04:49:08.600
Where I would argue for women to find a particular male body type, like, hot or sexy or attractive.
04:49:19.720
He's gonna have to put in more work than a woman.
04:49:23.940
So, because I'm bringing this up, because there's this whole trope about women have to meet these, like, unrealistic beauty standard.
04:49:31.820
But the beauty standard for a man is, like, leaps and bounds, like, orders of magnitude more difficult to achieve for the average guy than the reverse.
04:49:41.640
Like, an 18-year-old woman can fairly easily have the ideal female body type, but an 18-year-old male probably has not or cannot achieve his physique potential.
04:49:55.160
Yeah, but also women give birth and go through a lot of bodily changes.
04:50:07.820
You think a woman who just watches her calories can stay the same size forever?
04:50:12.280
No, because she would continue to have to eat lower calories.
04:50:15.680
Because, you know, another reason why we go to the gym as well is because it increases your metabolism so you can eat more food.
04:50:24.560
The metabolism changes is the case for both genders.
04:50:30.640
Well, I think also, like, the hormone cycle, too.
04:50:32.340
Like, every week of the month, we're different.
04:50:36.040
So it's not steady, like, a man has his testosterone spike once, and then that's it.
04:50:45.640
It's always funny watching two men try to help women understand more reasonable standards that will help women find better men slash relationship, and women argue it.
04:50:57.600
Yeah, but my point is that working out will benefit both genders, women and men.
04:51:07.500
And I think it's very important that they both work out.
04:51:10.760
If a woman literally doesn't work out at all, you understand she can still gain weight.
04:51:18.580
We're talking about, like, beauty standards here.
04:51:24.020
For women, you basically just have to not be fat.
04:52:21.220
I was giving birth irrelevant to this conversation.
04:52:57.180
I'm trying to find one that's reasonably fair, right?
04:53:09.480
Pull up the one where she's, like, holding coconuts.
04:53:19.060
And then the ones you pulled up, we'll look at those two.
04:53:43.660
I would argue more men are going to be like, she has an attractive body than if you go back
04:53:49.700
to the man, then women are going to be like, he has an attractive body.
04:53:55.280
Honestly, I see more women in the gym than I do men nowadays.
04:54:05.220
Going around the table, like, that body that I showed you of the guy, he had a good body.
04:54:09.880
He had a low body fat percentage, but he's thin.
04:54:16.540
Are we arguing, like, just those photos, photo to photo, compared to each other right
04:54:22.160
Okay, but you're showing a photo of someone that's pale compared to someone that's in
04:54:29.840
Not every guy just looks like that, though, without going to the gym.
04:54:33.120
Also, like, I would argue that he's an unhealthy body fat percentage.
04:54:51.540
Nick, Nick, go to the thin men folder, pull up the first one.
04:55:00.820
Women need a strange train just as much as men do.
04:55:37.060
Having that body, maintaining that with just a diet is very difficult.
04:55:41.160
You need to work out to build muscle, to build your metabolism, to keep the fat off.
04:55:51.320
Because that's not in a body of a girl that doesn't go to the gym.
04:56:00.700
It's so much harder to keep a lean body if you're not going to the gym and building your...
04:56:10.260
But you know what happens when you combine bowl?
04:56:22.320
Not every woman can just look like that without going to the gym and, you know, eating a thousand calories a day.
04:56:41.480
Obviously, I can't find, like, the perfect one-to-one comparison.
04:57:04.680
This is an achievable physique for a woman without having to go to the gym.
04:57:13.420
There's minimal muscular definition in the legs.
04:57:18.480
I would argue that most men are going to be like, whoa, she's got a nice body.
04:57:27.580
Most women are not going to be like, whoa, he's got a nice body.
04:57:32.520
But women are supposed to represent, like, child-bearing qualities where men are supposed to represent protecting you and your family.
04:57:43.920
So, the beauty standard is it's harder for men to achieve the aspirational body type than the reverse.
04:57:53.300
The female beauty standard that feminists cry about is more than obtainable for, like, 90% of women.
04:58:10.920
He's saying our workouts are easier than what they have to do.
04:58:13.500
Like, we could do Pilates, low impact, and they have to live.
04:58:19.300
Eat, like, 200 calories below maintenance, and you'll be there in a year if you're starting from average.
04:58:24.020
The male beauty standard that's rarely challenged by the mainstream media is literally unobtainable without two, if not three, of the following elite genetics, steroids, five-plus years of treating the gym as a part-time job.
04:58:40.240
I've seen very not-muscular men get muscular with not-good genetics in way less time.
04:58:50.240
Men do build muscle a lot quicker, and it's a lot more dense.
04:58:56.340
I'm not saying you have to look like the rock to get a woman or that all women necessarily prefer the ideal.
04:59:01.360
I'm just stating what the cost of a perfect body is for each gender.
04:59:06.980
I don't think you even know what women really like in terms of body type because we don't want, like, the crazy Thor-looking body.
04:59:22.440
Okay, let me just make it easy, and I know you want to come in here.
04:59:33.120
The beauty standard that each gender is trying to achieve, my position is that it's harder for men to achieve the male beauty standard than it is for women to achieve the female beauty standard.
05:00:00.400
But you need not even weight train as a woman to reach the beauty standard.
05:00:11.160
No, but the point I was trying to make is that normal woman...
05:00:16.720
These people that you think are normal are working out.
05:00:19.460
Do you know that, like, women take up most of the market when you see, like, weight loss ads, weight loss pills, all of these things?
05:00:25.920
Because women are, like, flooding the market with that.
05:00:28.540
Because women really do have a hard time getting in shape.
05:00:42.900
Which occurs more naturally and easily, a desirable female body or a desirable male body, ideally?
05:00:51.180
Women have to have a nice waist-to-hip ratio, not be overweight, breasts, ass, hips.
05:00:57.720
Those things develop naturally through puberty.
05:01:00.500
Men do not put on the amount of muscle mass that women find desirable without having to work for it.
05:01:07.280
The female body is going to develop to be desirable quicker than the male body is going to be desirable.
05:01:12.540
You have to work to get it, but we also have to work to maintain it.
05:01:30.700
Women are found more desirable because your bodies are naturally going to develop into having desirable features.
05:01:44.740
He's saying it's easier for the female body to develop into a desirable body than it is for the male.
05:01:49.700
Men have to work to get the ideal body that women are attracted to.
05:01:57.540
If you tilt your leg down, your face is getting blocked.
05:02:17.840
Me before, without doing weight training, I would say I did look better than maybe my husband did.
05:02:28.240
I already met him after he'd already been trained for five years.
05:02:34.080
And even when he hit puberty, he didn't look that good.
05:02:38.420
I don't know if we can even say a generalized statement right now, which is harder.
05:02:50.300
This is like kind of totally out of left field.
05:03:07.740
Nick, you have those photos of like what Henry Cavill and Scarlett Johansson and shit.
05:03:12.980
We'll just, let's just blast through all of them.
05:03:18.180
Or maybe, okay, there's, now these are depictions in media.
05:03:21.800
Yeah, women often complain to, oh, the beauty standards as depicted in magazines and media.
05:03:30.080
Wait, put us on the other side so we can, or make it smaller, make it smaller.
05:03:58.420
Okay, the two, the two, the bodies of the men, that's like, that is so much more unobtainable.
05:04:08.080
Almost any woman could achieve the bodies of those women.
05:04:12.300
The whole, the whole feminist position is, there are depictions in media of these unobtainable
05:04:23.260
body types, but we never look at the opposite side of the coin as, actually, the depictions
05:04:33.240
Women who, Scarlett Johansson, Gal Gadot, superheroes, right?
05:04:37.900
Heroes, again, elite level genetics, treating the gym like a part-time job, and or steroids
05:04:53.180
Let me go back to my, let me go back to my, let me go back to my, let me go back.
05:05:08.620
Because when you're young, you're a dude, you want to hit the gym with your, you know,
05:05:27.760
So, what I'm saying is when you're younger, yeah, maybe for a woman, it might be a little
05:05:35.520
And then for a guy, maybe it is a little bit more work.
05:05:38.420
But if you think about it, when you're in your 40s and your 50s, a woman is going through.
05:05:51.220
It's running faster, stronger, and better than most guys that makes us desirable.
05:06:13.660
But my point is, is that maybe when you're younger, it's a little bit easier for women
05:06:23.220
But then for a guy, maybe, yeah, he does have to take extra time, go to the gym, lift weights,
05:06:28.700
you know, do bench press, do his pull-ups, deadlifts, and all that stuff.
05:06:32.140
But later on down the road, you know, women have a really hard time staying in that shape
05:06:41.080
versus a man, you know, his body's not going through a hormonal, you know, tsunami as it
05:06:47.840
And so he can usually maintain his body a lot better than a woman can.
05:06:55.560
What kind of sexist, misogynistic shit have I walked into?
05:06:59.200
At that point, she's talking about menopause and after pregnancy.
05:07:02.960
Well, you need to discuss that because you're talking about women.
05:07:05.980
No, we're talking about, we're talking about achieving, who achieves the most desirable
05:07:14.960
Do you say you don't want women, like, what, if they're 40 to 50 or if they hit menopause?
05:07:19.480
I'm talking about, generally, I'm talking about the way we perceive it.
05:07:21.560
I don't want people to perceive attractiveness.
05:07:31.180
We're talking about like for like, bringing in, yes, there are certain biological realities
05:07:35.280
of women going through pregnancy, but if we're comparing like for like, if we're comparing
05:07:39.220
men between the ages of 18 and 30 who, we're not factoring in women who get pregnant,
05:08:03.620
I'd like to take this chance to apologize to absolutely nobody.
05:08:31.940
Five minutes later, Chris Pine is your hall pass.
05:08:34.840
Please go put your makeup back on so we don't have to hear you for an hour.
05:08:40.040
Any girl that says that, that, uh, the picture of Chris Evans saying that they would prefer
05:08:47.160
a dad bod over Chris Evans physique that we showed, which isn't like super steroided
05:08:57.640
I think, yeah, it was, it was like a little more on the athletic side, I'd say.
05:09:01.420
I mean, still, that's pretty insane, um, physique, but yeah, they're, they've taken
05:09:08.560
They're not, they're not going for the dad bod.
05:09:11.700
If they had a choice, they're picking his physique.
05:09:13.320
I don't think I've ever heard a woman see a dad bod pop up and just be like, oh my God.
05:09:18.260
Like if you like put a girl that's not really into it, a dad bod would be a girl that maybe
05:09:21.980
has a few extra pounds and then a girl that's like very fit, you would choose the girl that's
05:09:32.380
Also, you might see the, one of these girls that have the natural nice bodies because
05:09:37.820
You don't know if they're like running three times a week.
05:09:40.820
You don't know if they're like eating 1200 calories every day.
05:09:50.900
This is why it's so important to go to the gym.
05:10:10.780
Can you just like, come here, scroll down, and then we'll just look at his other ones.
05:10:39.600
Starting with you, going around the table, rate him on a scale of 1 to 10.
05:11:28.700
You do realize like 0 would be like significant facial asymmetry, like deformity, like he ain't
05:11:51.540
He is a patron of the whatever podcast, though.
05:12:11.120
They look very confused when they realize I'm only six feet tall.
05:12:14.400
By the way, you look much better without the makeup.
05:12:34.360
I was expecting a little bit more praise for it.
05:12:54.100
Guys, go to twitch.com slash whatever drops a follow and a prime sub if you can.
05:13:13.820
Maddie, you said you found your boyfriend making corn on Twitter with another girl when
05:13:38.980
And if you could only let it be, you would see I like you the way you are.
05:14:07.540
He wasn't fast enough on a comment on his Instagram.
05:14:13.140
I saw the girl's page while he was on a work trip because she said, like, poppy or something.
05:14:20.900
She lived in the same state that he was working in.
05:14:23.600
And then I clicked on her Twitter and there was a whole lot of...
05:14:40.040
Also, if this goes anywhere, like, in a clip or something, I will get my ass beat.
05:14:48.680
So, then for the next two months, I got death threats from this girl.
05:15:02.920
And a bunch of videos of what she wants to do to me.
05:15:05.800
Because I hung out with the guy that I was seeing at the same time as her.
05:15:12.180
And then they got back together and never spoke to him again.
05:15:20.440
You said that you find the bigger you get on social media, the harder it is for me to
05:15:33.620
I've dated, like, more without doing sex work than I have with doing sex work.
05:15:42.980
But then, like, men slip faster in the same ways that maybe would have taken them
05:15:57.740
The one that I stopped seeing, like, last week.
05:15:59.580
And one of the last things he said to me, because I got recognized in a Starbucks when I was with
05:16:06.940
And then on the phone, he said, I actually don't want to be with a girl that gets recognized
05:16:11.440
I don't want to be with a girl that makes me feel bad about myself because she's making
05:16:16.020
When I told him, I don't put any importance on, like, financial stuff with men.
05:16:24.520
If you're, like, a cool person trying to do anything with your life, it's fine.
05:16:43.100
Well, you kind of told us, but maybe, okay, we'll come back to that.
05:16:54.740
Yeah, I think a lot of women, probably not anyone here, but a lot of women, like, try
05:17:03.540
to go for younger men or men who are less experienced because I believe that if they're
05:17:10.180
not as experienced, they're not going to trigger you as much.
05:17:13.700
So, when you date, like, an older guy who's had more experience, who's a bit more mature,
05:17:18.100
he triggers you more and it, like, makes you look more at yourself.
05:17:21.200
And some people want to avoid that, so they date younger.
05:17:26.720
So, wait, are you advocating for women to date younger?
05:17:44.020
So, I dated a younger guy before and I didn't grow at all in the relationship because he
05:17:50.500
couldn't, like, push me or show me anything about myself.
05:17:54.100
And now, with my current partner, he's always mirroring back to me things that I can improve
05:18:01.200
So, the easier thing to do is date younger or, like, less mature.
05:18:06.340
So, kind of are you saying that younger men are going to tolerate your bad habits?
05:18:11.960
I don't think tolerate, I think just not be aware as much.
05:18:36.260
You said, if you think all men are trash, you're right.
05:18:42.560
So, I think it's Henry Ford who says, whether you think you can, you will, or whether, what
05:18:58.680
Those that say they can and those that say they can't are both usually right.
05:19:03.500
So, whatever you think and feel about someone is how they have to show up for you.
05:19:08.880
So, if, like, people keep saying, like, all men are trash, all men are trash, that's the
05:19:15.420
If they say, oh, all men that I see, they cheat or they're in their marriages and they're
05:19:21.080
not loyal, that's just the story that you're telling yourself.
05:19:24.080
And you can always choose to think and believe something else.
05:19:37.100
You also said trust issues aren't a real thing.
05:19:42.820
So, I think when you're in a relationship and you choose the right partner for you, like,
05:19:49.080
you go through the extensive vetting process, you understand who they are as a person, then
05:19:54.420
when you're dating them, you shouldn't have trust issues.
05:19:57.240
You only have trust issues when you don't trust yourself to use your discernment when it comes
05:20:09.680
Oh, question for, how do you say your name again?
05:20:47.300
Kayla, you wanted to talk about your experience as a stripper.
05:20:50.820
Yeah, um, I actually wrote a book, um, basically where, because most people think that strippers,
05:21:02.480
um, are like having sex for money or they're whores or any, you know, things like that.
05:21:11.560
And I wrote a book which basically teaches women how they can use their feminine energy
05:21:16.560
energy and their power, um, to make money in the club.
05:21:32.240
What, generally speaking, you don't need to go into specifics about your own experience,
05:21:37.520
What, speaking of money, what kind of money are girls making in the club?
05:21:42.340
Um, I can't speak for other girls, but I can speak for myself.
05:21:47.680
Um, so, the most money that I've brought into a club was $30,000.
05:22:00.440
And then the club gets the rest, because I think he bought like two bottles, two or three
05:22:10.360
Um, I don't really want to continue stripping, so.
05:22:28.040
Pretend I'm a trick, or a mark, or whatever they're called.
05:22:37.840
Um, I'd just be like, well, I, yeah, you, you were the type that I would go up to.
05:22:45.980
I have a type that I would go up to in the club.
05:22:50.140
So, I just, um, if you walk in, I'd just be like, hey, like, what's your name?
05:23:12.040
So, I'd just be like, hey, like, first off, I would, like, I mean, I wouldn't grab you,
05:23:24.800
So, I would just, um, I just, you know, make my presence known.
05:23:43.320
No, I just drive three hours to come here to get away, because, so my wife doesn't see.
05:23:49.100
So, you, so you pretty much know how the club works.
05:23:51.740
Um, it's kind of hard when they kind of know how the club works, because when they don't
05:24:11.520
So, where I'm working now, they have set prices.
05:24:17.700
Now, when I worked at another club that didn't have set prices, you can, like, literally go
05:24:23.380
in and you can just say, like, for an hour, for example, in the hour VIP room, I just
05:24:28.420
go in there with a guy and I just throw a number out there.
05:24:36.340
Basically, how I would finesse you, if I wanted more out of a $600 room, I would just say
05:24:43.100
things like, um, like, okay, the club's going to take a percentage of my money, can you make
05:25:33.060
So, like, you're coming in like you don't know nothing.
05:25:41.360
Bro, I'm just like, I'm just like a naive white boy.
05:26:01.700
Well, what kind of fun are you looking to get into?
05:26:24.360
So that's what, so basically, this is what I tell guys.
05:26:30.820
And it's not true because where we work, where I work, you're not allowed to get naked.
05:26:41.000
What if we're in the VIP room, my dear, and I want to have sexual intercourse with you?
05:26:49.100
I thought in the, what's that song by, is it Chris Rock?
05:26:53.740
It's like sex in the champagne, something about the champagne room.
05:27:00.320
But no, you're not having sex with anybody in that club.
05:27:08.540
I would like, my dear, to have sexual intercourse with you after the club.
05:27:14.440
Pay me money right now, and then maybe I'll come.
05:27:27.840
So they're like super desperate about wanting to hang out with me after the club.
05:27:32.020
And if I know that I can get them to get me money in the club.
05:27:46.660
You said you regret working in the industry, though.
05:28:01.620
Even on nights where I make good money, I'm still like over it.
05:28:05.760
And I just think that comes with just being in the industry.
05:28:13.220
No, but there was this guy that I met last week.
05:28:19.940
He wanted, he was telling me he was on this site.
05:28:37.100
And he's like, I want to take care of you because you're smart.
05:28:48.200
So basically, I was supposed to hang out with him on Sunday, right?
05:28:58.220
And he told me, he was like, you know, I'll pay you to take you to dinner.
05:29:01.040
Long story short, I didn't go because I just didn't want to.
05:29:12.560
And he ended up sending me $500 because I still asked him, can he send me $500 so I can,
05:29:16.420
you know, use it to get out here because he knows I'm on this show.
05:29:33.540
Well, he wasn't even really a sugar daddy because I never even met him.
05:29:43.960
And then I've done like a few like dinner dates.
05:29:46.980
Going back to you really quick, how many, actually show of hands, any other girls here
05:30:09.740
It was like, um, this dude asked if he could like pay me to like send a voice memo over
05:30:24.760
And actually, after I went on this podcast, some random person Venmo made $500.
05:30:32.560
Wait, what's the, give us a little more details than that.
05:30:34.560
So I was like checking my Venmo and then I was like, Whoa, why do I have $500 in here?
05:30:39.640
And I saw that a random person sent me $500 with a rose.
05:30:53.440
Then I saw that he followed the whatever podcast.
05:31:04.220
That's an L for, if you're watching right now, dude, that's a, that's an L.
05:31:12.140
Did it say like in the Met, the memo, whatever podcast?
05:31:25.420
And then you said there, you, a guy paid you how much to say he had a small ween?
05:31:38.580
Like where's all the women sliding into my DMs wanting, I'll degrade.
05:31:46.020
That's, I don't know if I want to, is that sex work to do that?
05:31:51.040
I don't know if I want to be classified as a sex worker.
05:31:54.940
I don't know if I, I, the whole degradation thing's kind of weird to me, but, um, where's
05:32:01.600
all I want, at least I want the option to say no, at least like, I want to at least have
05:32:16.220
Be like, yo, Brian, can you just like cuss at me or some shit?
05:32:23.620
I want to do the reverse, I want to do the reverse finesse.
05:32:37.560
Bro, but you have like these kind of girls on your podcast, so you get more views.
05:32:44.960
Like you're still using like girls and sex work for views.
05:33:10.520
No, I got a lot of messages from like people claiming to be sugar daddies, but I felt like
05:33:40.440
When you break up with this guy, are you going back to OnlyFans?
05:33:54.840
I just like, it felt like, like I was just bored.
05:34:15.880
And especially like, because like my family's Turkish.
05:35:11.540
It's something you're not going to be able to guess.
05:35:29.320
I don't know if it's illegal, but you bring great dishonor to family.
05:35:52.420
Why were you, can you tell us the theme of why you were disowned?
05:36:02.780
It's my whole family, so even like my extended.
05:36:08.160
No, but they were pretty close about that afterwards.
05:36:08.960
Let me, wait, I have something, I have something here.
05:36:11.100
On your OnlyFans, it says perkiest tits on OnlyFans.
05:36:16.420
Was it, was it because of the perkiest tits thing?
05:36:26.800
It was, it's like nothing that I can say on camera.
05:36:40.040
It was something like that was like done to me and then like they, like it was just like
05:36:43.760
a religious, like it was just like a different perspective.
05:37:16.940
Was it a, was it a, you didn't want to do an arranged marriage?
05:37:45.000
And then all my other family members are in Turkey.
05:37:48.660
I mean, not that I want to linger on this conversation for too long.
05:37:57.980
Is that a thing where I've heard of this maybe?
05:38:15.980
Did that occur before or after your sex addiction?
05:38:34.060
I told like my aunt and then she was like, oh, it's normal in Turkey.
05:38:51.740
And then we just get into like mom and daughter fights.
05:39:02.060
Wait, did, did we talk about you had a sugar daddy?
05:39:09.260
What is in, in one transaction, what's the most that you've ever received from a sugar daddy
05:39:26.580
What's the most total you've received from one?
05:39:35.260
Like, so you said in one transaction, they sent you like $10,000 or $15,000, but let's
05:39:41.900
say they sent you, maybe they sent you 5,000 here, 3,000 there, a thousand here.
05:39:46.920
If you were added all up for just one, what's the most total?
05:39:54.640
I think it would be more than six figures, like over a hundred thousand dollars.
05:40:30.020
Honestly, my long-term one got me like the most stuff.
05:40:33.180
But like at a time and maybe like two, three thousand, you know, but then he also like paid
05:40:39.740
And then like my, bought me a laptop, this, that, anything.
05:40:43.780
So biggest individual transaction was one or $2,000?
05:41:05.800
But you don't, what, have you met him in person?
05:41:17.520
And then I ended up dating him, but he still paid for everything.
05:41:19.860
Where's all, where's all the women trying to pay me to date me?
05:41:28.060
There's also girls that like want to be sugar mamas.
05:41:36.980
I'm just saying a hundred K, you know, listen, you want to throw a bit of that my way.
05:41:41.420
If you want to, you know, these women, they, I don't know.
05:41:49.680
You're not willing to put in as much financial effort as men are.
05:41:57.320
Like, even if you get a girl who DMs you, they're, they're not even going to like, like
05:42:04.520
If you give a, say a dude DMs you and you're down to meet him, he'll either fly you out
05:42:28.980
I've had, so I've had women fly out to come see me.
05:42:51.820
Jordan says, back when I wasn't a Christian, I was very promiscuous.
05:43:00.520
I went on a lot of dates without the intention to be in a relationship.
05:43:18.840
You had some other disagreements here that you listed.
05:43:23.180
SL underscore I dot D dot underscore 272 A 39 D F 91 B 5 3,716 donated $100.
05:43:40.620
I'd like, yeah, let's get, let's get Q in here in just a sec.
05:43:45.200
Really quick, just since we have the chats coming, Maddie, can I have you read this one
05:43:49.640
that's about to come up from the Pope who donated $50?
05:43:55.120
That girl on the far right got caught lying about Marquette Burton after the show, saying
05:44:02.080
One of Marquette's songs say, you'd be a fool if you trust her.
05:44:07.620
So after the show, Marquette DM'd me and he asked how old I was.
05:44:12.120
And when I said I was 21, he said, when are you coming to Vegas?
05:44:18.400
When I didn't reply, he unsent the message and then said like hours later for a podcast
05:44:24.960
because he know that he got caught trying to fuck in OnlyFans girl.
05:44:57.020
You said that Brian mentioned that women should be drafted.
05:45:04.280
Let's go around the table on that, starting with Jordan.
05:45:12.220
The same way that men could be drafted to the military?
05:45:35.820
Right now, currently, only men can get drafted into the military.
05:45:44.160
Let's say, you know, there was a risk of them equalizing the draft.
05:45:55.160
Sorry, I did not understand your question, at first.
05:46:17.180
I thought some of you might have been feminists.
05:46:23.460
I mean, we're not as strong as men, realistically.
05:46:31.160
In any way, running, endurance, stamina, anything.
05:46:35.940
Okay, then more women are just going to die and not benefit the war.
05:46:39.300
Also, just mentally and emotionally, we're not as strong.
05:46:42.220
Like, I would say, like, it would honestly be so much more trauma for us to deal with
05:47:08.480
Well, we send the ones who don't want kids to live.
05:47:18.680
Does it genuinely make sense to send an equal amount of-
05:47:22.540
To fight for our country when it literally would put us back physically.
05:47:34.780
We send the women in first to kind of weaken up them.
05:47:38.640
After all the women die, then the men come in, and we can scorch them.
05:47:42.700
If you killed all the women, how do we procreate?
05:47:45.960
Yeah, you're literally willing to throw away our chance of procreating.
05:47:57.680
You literally said, and I quote, kill all the women.
05:48:10.100
I think as a matter of fairness and equality, equality, women should be drafted.
05:49:21.520
Okay, a woman is capable of depressing a trigger just as well.
05:49:26.040
Yeah, but that is literally saying if you sat in one position, war was sitting in one position
05:49:35.700
Women can't carry as heavy equipment for as long.
05:49:40.940
So why would you send more unfit people to fight for something to actually fight?
05:49:52.980
Well, then why are women allowed to volunteer for the military?
05:50:00.540
Would you object to us preventing women from volunteering for the military?
05:50:13.400
Because men are supposed to protect women and our country so that women can have kids
05:50:20.820
and be caregivers to the children and take care of the home.
05:50:24.080
Okay, but you're talking about, for example, let's go back to the most recent draft.
05:50:32.060
So this was not like a massive, granted, a lot of men were drafted in the Vietnam War, but
05:50:37.920
it wasn't like we didn't send all the men to Vietnam.
05:50:41.920
So let's say we were in a conflict like Vietnam again, and we drafted, I would actually be
05:50:47.920
curious if you can look up the exact numbers, how many troops we sent over to Vietnam, how
05:50:53.980
Let's say we drafted 100,000 women to go to Vietnam.
05:50:57.480
That wouldn't have any real impact, like we wouldn't be able to repopulate, like that
05:51:01.920
would have no real impact, you know, in terms of, oh, all the women are gone, we can't repopulate
05:51:09.140
Are you saying like 100,000 men, 100,000 women go?
05:51:15.880
It's a very soft version of population control there, buddy.
05:51:21.400
There's 200,000 people, and half of your entire army is less fit for the job.
05:51:29.320
That's really a sexist statement for you to say.
05:51:34.520
It's scientifically proven that men are stronger than women.
05:51:38.660
And any time a woman literally killed herself trying to climb Mount Everest.
05:51:43.080
By herself or something to prove that she could do it.
05:52:02.200
But also, as I object to this view that men are the disposable sex, and we are.
05:52:10.820
That's why for millennia, for centuries, men are sent off to war to go and die.
05:52:16.020
Now, I think that this is clearly evidence of some deep-seated bias towards men.
05:52:25.160
No, it's not, because you're not making babies.
05:52:30.480
No, it's the most relevant thing, because we need less of you to make more humans.
05:52:39.140
Okay, but see, as a man, I don't really feel good.
05:52:48.580
As just on an individual level, do you think that that's a guy not...
05:52:53.040
Let's say a guy doesn't want to go to war, right?
05:53:07.780
Okay, there's benefits that come with being a man, and there's benefits that come with being a woman,
05:53:13.460
You're less likely to be killed by your partner.
05:53:19.320
Okay, we can talk about the differences on a societal level, but let's talk about what's enforced by the state and the government.
05:53:30.500
And if the government says that men and women are equal by law, then so too should they be subject to military conscription,
05:53:37.560
regardless of whatever social dynamics are just sort of ingrained.
05:53:49.320
Like, you know, like I'm never going to leave the argument that a woman would be less fit to serve in a war.
05:54:15.300
So then why would you want half women on the front lines?
05:54:17.480
How would you feel about your wife being on the front lines?
05:54:37.320
You would be okay with your wife being drafted?
05:55:03.840
And I don't like to use this term, but, like, a girl started asking me about this one show.
05:55:07.940
So, like, there's this trope about, well, like, the most, like, boss thing to do as a man
05:55:14.100
is to, like, jump in front of a bullet to protect your wife.
05:55:21.080
Actually, the most fucking alpha thing would be to use your woman as a meat shield.
05:55:27.680
That way you can continue on and get another woman pregnant and continue spreading your seed
05:55:33.980
instead of sacrificing yourself like you're disposable.
05:55:50.360
So, continuing on your bloodline by finding a new woman to procreate with
05:56:04.120
Women in general, we're strong and independent and want equality.
05:56:24.720
Mentally, I would argue that women have better intuition.
05:56:37.280
Like, oh, it's the masculine thing to, like, sacrifice your life for your woman.
05:56:41.800
But, like, the apex fucking male maneuver to continue propagating your bloodline with other women would be to...
05:56:50.200
I'm not winning any fucking friends with this one.
05:56:53.400
Would be to sacrifice your woman so you can continue.
05:57:11.200
So, a man not wanting to die is being a bad person.
05:57:22.700
I actually think it makes more sense because I'm more capable of providing for my children than she is.
05:57:34.020
Yeah, but you don't have, like, the nurturing motherhood.
05:57:36.760
Then, yes, it's better if I continue raising our children than you.
05:57:49.000
Sometimes, Corn Pop in the chat says, sometimes you need to sacrifice the queen to get the check made.
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We can be very resourceful when we need to to take care of the children if we don't have enough money.
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Hopefully, you left some dinero before you left to war.
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Arguably, currently, I would be able to provide better than.
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And, again, I don't consider myself an alpha male.
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But, like, if we're using, like, that sort of, like, those terms, right?
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So, if you choose, you have the scenario, right?
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I would argue the most, you could call it dark triad, whatever.
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The most alpha move is your, she dies, you survive.
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You can continue passing on your genetic legacy with other women.
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Like, dude, a girl hears that shit, it's like, bro, you're dumb.
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No, I, women should get drafted, though, as a men's rights advocate.
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As a men's rights advocate, women should get drafted.
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My last dollar tonight, volunteer service and involuntary service is not some stupid metaphysics.
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History tells you that a county who doesn't have young men willing to sacrifice, the country will die.
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Volunteer service is not the stupid, okay, history tells you that a country who doesn't have young men willing to sacrifice, the country will die.
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It's known that women make better marksmen, snipers, when it comes to military services.
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She can be live on a podcast and respond on LF at the same time.
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Could have at least turned on honors while in seriousness.
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That's not true, but I do have an open message when you subscribe that gets sent out automatically.
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You realize that that's how men got the right to vote, right?
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If you took away my right to vote, I wouldn't be upset.
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Any other ladies here want to weigh in on the voting thing?
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Like, what if you're raped and you get pregnant?
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Because you're voting for rights over your body.
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You're voting for so much stuff, but that's what's included.
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Like, women's rights are getting, like, rolled back with all of the laws.
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So, SA has been criminalized even before women's suffrage.
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Yeah, but you know that they're trying to make.
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Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Can I say that a baby eater 3000, when you get rid of your baby, they're trying to make
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They got rid of Roe v. Wade, which just put it back to the states.
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So, why, as a woman, would you give up your right to vote on things that have to do with
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There's so many other things, but that's just, like, one example.
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Okay, but would you feel the same way if it happened?
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And, like I said, if I didn't have the right to vote, I wouldn't be upset.
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That's so sad for women, honestly, and our society.
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Are you saying that, like, your husband would vote in your best interest?
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Absolutely, my husband would vote in my best interest.
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Being a good wife is being able to submit to your husband and trust in his decisions to lead.
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I think what the problem is is that we've lost sight of the real traditional nuclear family
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that is supposed to be valued, and if things were the way that they should be and that
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we do have those values, then, yeah, the woman wouldn't really need to vote.
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I mean, if the man is representing her well, then I can see that.
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In today's society, you know, I do, I do like the right to vote, but like I said, maybe
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if I'm changing the perspective to if I never had it, I don't think it would affect me.
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But now that I've had it, if they were to take it away, that's kind of different.
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If a guy gets a woman pregnant and she wants to keep the kid...
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But he, let's say he's not ready to be a dad, maybe he's not mentally ready, he doesn't
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Did he consensually make the choice to come in this woman?
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I'm not sure where you're going with that argument, but sure, let's say yes.
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If you come in a girl, then you are consenting to the idea that if she could, that she could
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get pregnant and you are doing that willingly knowing that she has a choice now because it's
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Okay, so as a woman then, if you consent and you want a man to come inside of you and you
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realize that that carries a pregnancy risk, are you saying that would you not be in favor
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of her not, or would you not be in favor, oh, fuck Jesus, would you be against her getting
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So you're saying when, if a, you think that consent to sex on the man's part or consent
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like coming inside of a girl means you are consenting to being a father and being financially
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When you come in a girl, that is what you are doing, right?
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What you come in a girl to try to get pregnant.
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Or you could just, or you could just think it's a, it feels pleasurable.
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Well, it doesn't matter because biologically that is what people do to get pregnant.
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So you don't get to say that that's just for fun.
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But isn't that, like that's a risk you're taking is getting pregnant.
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Not only did you let him penetrate you without a condom, you're also more aware of your cycle.
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But are you arguing that like the man shouldn't have to be a father to the kid or should have a say in whether the baby is had or not?
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Well, it's interesting because you're basically, so you're saying that if, if a man consents to sex, then he's also consenting to.
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Which you acknowledge he has, if the woman chooses to.
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Then he has no say in because it's not growing in his body.
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So he should have, the man should have done what?
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There's protection or there's trust in the person that you're having sex with?
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What if the woman lied that she was on birth control?
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Ah, but legally he would still be obliged to pay child support.
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Yeah, but he's, you're still having sex with the person.
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Murdering, killing an unborn child is better than.
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Killing an unborn child is better than a father abandoning.
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I'm arguing that the, that women should have a right to their body.
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I messaged Maddie asking for a naked squatting video an hour ago and still haven't gotten a response.
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Like people who, like when you look at the male perspective, when it comes to perhaps an unwanted pregnancy, you guys, your arguments are basically pro-life arguments.
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A woman, you would tell a woman who says, I'm not financially ready to have a child.
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You'd be like, totally fine with you getting an abortion.
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A woman who's not ready to raise a child, you'd say, totally fine with you getting an abortion.
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But when it comes to the man side of that equation, you're like, tough.
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So if a man fails to pay child support, we've done away with debtors' prisons in the United States.
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You cannot go to prison for a financial debt, except when it comes to child support.
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And this is definitely a gendered issue, because men are overwhelmingly the ones that are legally compelled.
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Typically, through the mothers, this is something mothers seek out, men are legally compelled to pay child support.
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And you're forcing them to labor, and pay money that they would perhaps not want to give.
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But I'm arguing that women should always have the choice if they keep the baby.
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I didn't say it was right that men have to pay for the next 18 years, whether they're involved or not.
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We're just saying that a woman should have her own choice over her own body.
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But you say that men shouldn't have bodily autonomy because they get drafted into war.
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Men don't have bodily autonomy, because they're subject to military conscription.
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I would actually argue that forced military conscription is a bigger infringement on bodily autonomy than abortion.
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So, I would argue that forced military conscription is a bigger infringement upon bodily autonomy than a woman not having a legal right to an abortion.
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Okay, so forced military conscription is your government saying, despite your desires, we are going to pluck you out of Kentucky, put you in a war zone where, let's look at World War I.
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You're going to have tinnitus because of all the military, excuse me, because of all of the shelling that's just bombardment nonstop.
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You may very well just die, or if you're not, you're going to be a casualty, and you'll have, you know, perhaps substantial physical injury.
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And if you don't have physical injury, you'll have significant mental injury.
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PTSD, I would argue that the state forcing you to do that versus a woman who, for example, consents to having sex, and she has an unwanted pregnancy, and she's not capable of getting an abortion.
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So my position, again, is it's a bigger infringement upon one's bodily autonomy to be forced into war than you not being able to undergo a medical procedure.
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Oh, but if you don't do it, what is, if you don't do it, it is a life.
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No, you could give it up for adoption if you were so inclined.
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If you're not ready to carry the responsibility of motherhood, then you're not ready for sex.
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So your argument about, well, it's an 18-year commitment isn't necessarily true.
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And there's actually safe, like, you can, almost in every single, you can.
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But why would you want to take away someone's option to not make someone else's life fucking miserable?
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Wait, so are you guys arguing that adoption, like, give, look, I'm not saying it's great for the child, but I think if a woman, you can go, you can go the fire department, you can go the fire department and leave it with the, this is a thing that women can do that you won't get in trouble for it.
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You leave it with the, at the fire department, and I'm not saying it's ruining someone's life, like, it genuinely is.
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I mean, now we're arguing about something different.
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My initial argument was, and I'm, if you, is, it's a bigger bodily autonomy infringement.
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Fact, biology says human life starts at conception.
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When you consent to sex, you know the risk of pregnancy.
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It's like we have a lot of, we have precautions, we have warning signs, but yet we choose to ignore them.
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Okay, but I got pregnant on birth control and never was came inside.
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Maybe I'm not saying anything to you personally, and I don't, this isn't even a personal attack.
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Yes, that's unfortunate, but you could have given the baby up for adoption.
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But you're not going to guarantee that that baby's life is ruined.
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Wait, so you're saying, you're saying, putting a baby up for adoption versus aborting them?
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But so is your argument that it's better to have been aborted than to grow up in foster care, basically?
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If you are not going to have the child have a good partner that you think is going to be a good fit as another parent, then you should not have the kid.
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If you're not financially stable, you should not have the kid.
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Or, excuse me, sorry, sorry, you're pro-choice.
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Okay, I don't even know how we really got there.
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In any case, I still think, I mean, I don't know if you still, if I've been able to convince you that it is a greater infringement on bodily autonomy to be drafted as a man forced into...
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We're all starting off as a ball of cells, but that's the beautiful thing, is look what it created.
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It created you, created everybody that's sitting here at this podcast.
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You know, your parent could have easily chose to not have you and aborted you, and that's sad, and that's devastating.
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My parents were together and financially stable, and I grew up in a good household.
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And my parents weren't financially stable, and I ended up being okay.
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You know, everybody makes choices in their life that can change for the better.
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Somebody who's adopted, grew up in the foster system, you know what, they can get out of the system, they can make something of themselves.
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But the trauma, you are guaranteeing certain trauma to someone before they are even born.
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We're just talking about men who go to war, they have trauma.
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But why would you guarantee certain trauma before someone is even born, you are not giving them the best chance at life?
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Not every foster kid who's going to have a bad life.
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Shouldn't we just take your argument to the maximum?
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Like, isn't it the Buddhist saying, life is suffering, right?
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So should we just abort everyone because we'll inevitably encounter some sort of suffering in our life?
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No, I'm saying you should only have kids if you have a good situation already to give them the best chance possible.
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Anyways, this kind of stemmed from, look, I want to restate it one more time.
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So, forced military conscription is a bigger infringement upon bodily autonomy than abortion.
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I feel like they're similar, which is what I said earlier.
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So, okay, you think that, I don't even know how to convince you on this, similar.
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Do you think that the average woman's experience with pregnancy is worse than the average person's experience in the military?
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But you're not saying, you're not saying the pregnancy and how it is going, you're taking away the choice or not, right?
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I don't think pregnancy is as bad as going to war.
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If you're getting shot at, it's not as bad as carrying a child for nine months.
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Because the government will, has the potential to force men into that position.
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Yeah, in the same way that if you take away rights to an abortion, you are also forcing women.
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You're not, actually, no, because, I mean, look, there's certain situations where women are assaulted and that's terrible.
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But the vast majority of women are getting abortions of convenience.
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They're fucking, they're consensually fucking their boyfriend.
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Like, their fucking boyfriend knocked them off.
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With Brian's point, though, like, men being drafted to war, you know, they're going to have a risk of, you know, dying.
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So we're talking about actually taking away a life that's here.
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To your point, if you believe that life doesn't begin until a certain amount of time, I don't know what your belief system is on that.
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You're saying because we're taking away a potential life versus taking away an actual life, that potential life is worse than actual life?
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Women actually have a higher chance of dying during pregnancy.
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From, like, your first pregnancy is, like, your highest chance of dying.
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Well, I'm just saying there's still a chance, just like the war.
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Here, we're going to move on a little bit, but one final thought on this.
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So, I think what would be fair, in states where abortion is legal, I think men should have a corresponding right called legal paternal surrender to, if the woman gets pregnant and he can make some sort of legal election to not be financially responsible, he can waive his parental rights.
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I think men should be able to legally surrender their parental rights.
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So, not being compelled to pay child support, basically.
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Yeah, I think within a certain time frame that you should be able to make that decision and sign off on it and it be legal.
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If there was a middle ground, then yeah, I guess that's fair.
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I think that would honestly be a big W for the pro-choice movement.
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Let's get a couple chats in, then we're going to try to wrap up here very soon.
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You are ending the life of your own child who has yet to be born.
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I'll just never have a kid in this world without a good partner.
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It's like, well, if you can murder the kid, I can at least...
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I've heard through the grapevine that Grace Thorpe has been invited to be a guest on the
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She will definitely be one of your most interesting podcast guests yet.
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Yeah, we still need to get that scheduled, but I've been messaging with her.
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By your logic, I can go around and delete whoever I like whenever I want.
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Actually, no, because those cells didn't have a consciousness, so...
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When a woman's health is at risk, it's called an atopic pregnancy.
06:24:47.760
Brian uses this draft point so much as if it's a good argument.
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As tech advances, we have peeps volunteer for the military.
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First off, so the draft was used in the Vietnam War.
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So, there are men who were drafted in the Vietnam War who would have still been alive today had they not been drafted.
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And there are men who are alive today who were drafted in the Vietnam War who have significant injuries, who have injuries of mind, who have PTSD.
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Now, if we look at other countries, for example, if you look at the Ukraine-Russia conflict, if you look at the conflict in the Middle East right now, that's certainly relevant.
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And I actually think we're closer to war now than at any point in the past, I don't know, since the Cold War, basically.
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And also, when it comes to the draft, even if we're not currently engaged in some military conflict where there's a prospect of the draft being initiated, there are still consequences as a man if you do not register for the selective service.
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For example, while there hasn't been prosecutions for this in recent history, it's still technically a crime.
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You can go to jail for, I think it's five years.
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Also, you're not eligible to vote if you don't register for the draft, or excuse me, register for the selective service.
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If you don't register for the selective service, there's also certain federal ramifications.
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You're barred from certain federal programs if you're not registered for the selective service.
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So even if there's not an actual ongoing draft, there's gendered ramifications exclusively for men that negatively impact men on this front.
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So also, look, I'll point to a modern conflict.
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Ukraine isn't exactly a Western country, but if you can look at it, all the men had to stay in the country.
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As a man, you had to stay in the country if you were in Ukraine.
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All the feminists disappear when there's a war.
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There's no more feminists when fucking Russia invades your country.
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Let's talk about often you hear terms like male privilege, right?
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Men are privileged while the men had to stay in Ukraine and could not leave the country, could not flee the country.
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We're talking like 18, 19, 20, 21-year-old Ukrainian men.
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You had Ukrainian women who could leave the country, and they're going to Stockholm.
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They're on Tinder, while the Ukrainian men, their male counterparts, are dying in Ukraine.
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Someone made a compilation video of, like, people were taking screenshots of Ukrainian women on dating apps in, like, Sweden and the U.K., living their best lives.
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And then, like, on the other side of this photo, there's, like, just dead bodies of Ukrainian men.
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So, we should have a conversation about female privilege.
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Oh, there's this one, if you can read it, Maddie.
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Already been subscribed before pod, got to your messages during pod, common practice, also videos definitely staged.
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Abortion is murder, and yes, I've been in that room.
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Abortion has a huge effect on a woman, on our mental health, our bodies.
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After you have an abortion, it's a really sad experience, and it's something that you're
06:30:50.420
Q, you got a story here about a woman who erupted in a jealous rage.
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She took a bus from Long Island to Raleigh, North Carolina to see me on her own dime.
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And we spent some time together when she went back.
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Never told her that we were actually serious in terms of monogamy or commitment.
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So one day, I seen this post that said, I love girls who speak Spanish.
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And when she saw me post that, I got my phone blown up with a whole bunch of messages.
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So I'm like, I didn't even know why she was reacting this way.
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When she said, I'm done, I just responded, okay.
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So then after that, she proceeded to call me 54 times.
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And she was in the phone screaming, the fucking Spanish bitch.
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So after I didn't respond, she called me like 20 more times.
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So instead of, and since I didn't respond, she hit me with a text message.
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And took the mega bus to Philadelphia to come see me to try to talk it out.
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Because I told her, once you tell me you're done, I'm going to take it as you're done.
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You know what would have been funny is if after she came back and you guys were finished,
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you should have posted, why are you so obsessed with me by Mariah Carey and put that on your story.
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But before she got on the whole bus on her own dime, as you say,
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was it clear to her that you guys' relationship was casual and non-monogamous?
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Q, you also wanted to talk about the woman's self-assessed flaws in dating without blaming the men.
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Because a lot of women lack accountability when it comes to their poor dating experiences.
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So I wanted to know what do you women think you lack when it comes to dating?
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What would you change about yourself or what do you think is a flaw about yourself that would ruin a relationship?
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Um, I would say having an OnlyFans isn't great.
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There's sex tapes of me and other men on the internet.
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Like, you know, I would agree with all those things.
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Do I, like, care about money and all that stuff?
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So you wouldn't turn around and blame the man or say he's insecure for not wanting to date you if he said...
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You wouldn't have an issue if the guy told you he didn't want to deal with you?
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Like, as long as you respect me and, like, you can communicate it with me, then I don't have a problem.
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So neither one of y'all, no behavioral issues, no attitude, no proclivity to be spiteful, jealous?
06:35:13.640
Brixen asked Maddie if she ever has it or not to reply.
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This will be fun to watch, and she just got up to change it, plus your voice says it all.
06:35:35.160
I have a message that goes out when you subscribe, and then I have messages that go out on time stuff to, like, everyone at the same time.
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Because, yeah, so, as I was saying, behaviorally, no, never burn clothes, never burn video games, never slash tires, never...
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My ex hard-launched another girl while I was with him, because he was, like, that bad of a cheater.
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And I offered, because he was, like, a little bit ill, I offered to house him for free, get him a car, and pay for his therapy and medication so he could get better.
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Honestly, no, he's, like, slightly above average.
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I'm talking about what are your behavioral flaws when it comes to dating you.
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Like, I wouldn't count what I did in the relationship.
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So, like I said, the economy in Turkey is pretty bad.
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And this guy, I was talking to him since I was 17, and we were practically, like, engaged.
06:37:13.240
Like, at that time, I think it was, like, two years or something.
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Like, you'd be like, oh, like, it's because, like, you're ugly or, like, something like that.
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So, I thought, like, that was, like, the only thing I knew about a guy.
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Like, so, then, um, so, you know how we were going to get married?
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Because, obviously, I didn't want to live in Turkey anymore.
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Um, and that was his only way of being able to come.
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Yeah, yeah, I was going to go around the table.
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Um, I think my flaw in the relationship is probably emotional volatility.
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And, as you mature, I think you get a better handle on your negative emotions.
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And, you stop being such, like, a detriment to your partner.
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But, I don't think there's anything, like, crazy or anything.
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Like, what do you think would at least piss him off?
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Like, what do you have a tendency to do when you're upset?
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Like, I'll, like, completely, like, not, like, ghost, but I'll just, like, don't go on my phone.
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He just kind of like, he was five minutes late to pick you up?
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Like, he was just cheating and playing with my emotions.
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I, I, um, and I have done that to more than one person.
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But, um, I just have this, like, it's really bad, and I'll admit it, but.
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I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm working on it, but, um, yeah, I'm, I got a temper on
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It's always the fun ones that'll put sugar in your tank.
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There's a verse in the Bible, better a man alone in the desert than with a nagging wife.
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It could be, it could be anything, like, maybe you're insecure.
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I mean, yeah, of course, but, like, not physically or anything, like.
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Have you ever ruined a man's whole reputation and got him fired from his job?
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I've reported my ex for disability fraud and sent in videos of us fucking to the government.
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You want him to just get a free almost seven grand a month?
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Um, honestly, so I was in a really toxic relationship for like three years.
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Um, and my, my ex was like abusive physically, verbally.
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I mean, like things that I could tell you, I could go on and on, but I'm not going to
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I kind of just took it and like sat in the corner and cried.
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Then after I left him, I carried some of that trauma into my relationships.
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Um, and so for me, um, what I needed was because my ex would, would say things about my appearance.
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And so like, I'm the person that like, I do have insecurity.
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And so I need my man, my husband to like validate me a lot.
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And also I can catch an attitude real quick, but I have worked on that a lot.
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I expect honesty, transparency, a drive, some kind of passion.
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I don't care if you make a lot of money, but if you're passionate about something that's
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I would usually prefer some kind of artist over that, but if, I mean, well, if you're
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really well-versed in something, you're probably intelligent.
06:45:34.000
What if he has like a really good knowledge of World of Warcraft?
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So what if he knows, for example, you know, all the best, you know, everything.
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So for example, if you're playing warrior, classic World of Warcraft and you're human,
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right, you're going to want to be, wait, sorry, warrior, you're going to want to be
06:46:04.920
Because of that passive sword spec, five plus sword skill, five plus mace skill, PVE, you
06:46:13.580
Now there's some debate over what's best, of course, if you're going to be a PVP, right?
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Now, what if he has like in depth, like he, he's, his knowledge of World of Warcraft, he's
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Like he knows all the mechanics with, with bosses in Molten Core, Black and Will Air,
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He can competently teach and raid, teach how to, you know, even somebody who doesn't have
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He knows like everything about the game, best in slot.
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He knows the best enchants for your gear and your weapons and shit.
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And then like, obviously when it comes to like the world buff meta, like he knows, okay,
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here's the best way first, check this shit out, right?
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If you're on Horde, the first thing you do, you get DM, no, no, no, sorry, excuse me.
06:47:11.460
The first thing you do, if you're buffing on Horde, like, you know, uh, for getting world
06:47:15.580
buffs and shit, you're going to definitely, you have to go to Dire Maul first and you're
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going to get the three buffs from Dire Maul, right?
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Then you're immediately going to, you're going to Hearth, you're going to Hearth, right?
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Then you need to go and get Songflower from Felwood.
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Or, then you just Hearth back to, no, no, sorry, you have a mage there.
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The mage is going to give you a portal back to Orgrimmar.
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Then you're going to get Warchief's, Warchief's Blessing.
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I thought you were going to say you were, like, getting wet or some shit.
06:48:00.900
You're going to get Rally and Cry, you're going to get Rally and Cry of the Dragon Slayer,
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and you're going to get Warchief's Blessing, right?
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Then you've got to fucking get, like, summoned to Stranglethorn because you need the ZG buff, right?
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So someone that spends that much time on a computer playing video games would be hard for me to be with, hypothetically.
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No matter the amount of passion, but I did start to get wet, like, maybe 30 seconds in,
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but at the 2 minute, 45 second mark, I, like, started to dry up.
06:48:49.400
What if he's, like, a little goblin, like Joker D, right?
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And he's, like, world first to hit 60 on, like, a fresh realm?
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Obviously, you're going to be a mage if you're trying to hit, like, level 60 first.
06:49:02.080
The way I compare this show is, like, I'm AoE farming you guys.
06:49:24.240
Like, but Cone of Cold to keep you guys snared and shit.
06:49:27.080
And it's just, like, I'm just farming you guys.
06:49:33.420
Yeah, that's something that I would, like, maybe respect.
06:49:35.420
And, like, when you explain it the second time around...
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I would now consider that a high-value man that I would consider dating.
06:49:43.380
Yeah, like, this is, like, I'm, like, basically, like, I'm just pulling mobs, right?
06:49:51.620
No, but my biggest question is, like, what are you doing later?
06:50:15.820
Unfortunately, Maddie, the fact, just by virtue...
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Just by virtue, Maddie, just by virtue of there being videos of you having sexual intercourse
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Have you had a girl on the panel that played WoW?
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And then, like, kind of just, like, keep me on my toes.
06:51:40.840
Like, occasionally treat you like shit, but also...
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Bro, these girls be like, I want a guy to respect me, but also spit on my face and call me a fucking cum slut whore.
06:52:06.740
Like, the, like, most, like, zealous feminists who are like, men should respect women are also, like, the most degenerate in the bedroom.
06:52:16.520
Like, they want, like, I'm talking gnarly fantasies and shit.
06:52:34.840
Okay, so you want to be treated like shit in bed, basically?
06:53:08.060
So, at least, the bare minimum is a guy for just to smack you across the face as hard as he can?
06:53:28.580
I would say, like, he needs, like, at least slap.
06:53:33.340
I would say, like, at least slap or, like, to choke me.
06:53:54.360
You want a guy to leave, like, marks on you, basically.
06:54:18.420
Like, you want to, like, not be able to walk the next day?
06:54:31.520
You want to be, like, choked to death, pretty much?
06:54:37.400
Bro, she's, like, hardcore with the choking, right?
06:54:40.320
She wants to see the pearly gates for a second.
06:54:41.720
Like, you want to be, like, near passing out, correct?
06:54:51.880
Do you want to be, like, tied up and, like, be, like, hanging from a roof?
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She's laughing because she's like, yep, sign me up.
06:55:21.880
Are you currently not being fully satisfied in your current relationship?
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You're, like, I feel like your boyfriend's a really nice guy, and you're, like, forcing him.
06:55:42.400
They be fucking, they be fucking, uh, what's the word for it?
06:55:46.760
They'll be, uh, corrupting, you're corrupting your nice boyfriend into abusing you during sex.
06:55:59.000
Like, he doesn't, he wants to be, like, oh, sweetheart, and you're, like, no, bitch, call me a fucking whore.
06:56:05.960
He, like, said something, like, really, like, romantic, and I was really in the mood.
06:56:20.780
I just asked you what was your problems in relationships.
06:56:29.120
You punished this man for most of the things that men think they're supposed to do with women.
06:57:46.340
No, I can't say anything else about last night.
06:57:59.280
In the moment, I was really high, and I thought it would make sense.
06:59:27.840
Yeah, my body count's, like, 11, maybe 12, 13, maybe 14, maybe 15, 16, you know?
06:59:52.480
You did it once, he didn't like it, and you did it again?
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And then you did it once, and he didn't have a reaction.
07:00:08.260
And then, wait, so then you did it again, and he didn't have a reaction, right?
07:00:17.100
No, I, I think he, he had a reaction the second time.
07:00:22.300
You said you just started dating this guy, right?
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Is this, like, your first few times having sex?
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I was already subscribed, and you sent a message four minutes before Podden responded to message during.
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I didn't know you'd be on, but decided to try it.
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I do, we'll go around the table on this final point, and then...
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Wait, of the 30 men, how many of them did you slap?
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I want a man who's in deep commitment to himself and God.
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For them to be loyal, like a support system, and like a genuine connection between us.
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I would like a man who's honest, loyal, understanding of me, and passionate, very fiery, passionate,
07:02:03.840
I'm just thinking about everything he need not have, just in case you get pissed off.
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Not just me, though, but, like, my family, my friends.
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I think that's, like, really important, especially, like, my friends.
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Honest, loyal, definitely has a passion, like, he's driven something.
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There's a lot I can say, but I'll make it concise.
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Somebody my dad approves of, a Christian, God-fearing man, protector, leader, strong in
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I asked that question because I wanted to see if you guys had any delusional answers,
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I don't know about that one, but you all did good.
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Do you want to do, you could do, like, less than 5, less than 10?
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Well, yo, I'ma give you guys props, those of you who didn't answer.
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If I was, yeah, not an OnlyFans girl, no sex tapes, a girl that you were attracted, whatever,
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that you met on a dating site, and then you were like, oh, I kind of like her, and then
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I was like, my body count's 12, which you'd be like, ugh.
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Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
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Everybody at this table, regardless of whether you revealed it or not.
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Do you, like, date girls, or do you like more casual stuff?
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You're not going to tell us, though, so we're just going to throw out numbers.
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You have to, like, give us, like, warmer or colder.
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I think it's 27, 6, 8, so this isn't going well.
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Once Q comes back, I'm going to wrap up the show.
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I do want to give you credit, though, because I give you credit for, you said 45 is your body count.
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I give you credit for being open and honest and forthcoming about that.
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Like, I salute you for your honesty, but you're sad.
07:08:27.480
No, not sad in, like, the insulting way, like...
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Because, like, you're an attractive girl, you know?
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I'm gonna do one last thing, and then we're gonna wrap up the show.
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If you're over there on Twitch watching right now, drop us a follow.
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We're trying to get to one million subscribers.
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And I'm gonna ask the chat, and I'm gonna have the panel here.
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We got some interior fucking decorators at this table.
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I'm sure you guys are great and got great interior decorating skills and shit.
07:13:51.540
I feel like the other one would give it a different vibe.
07:13:59.920
I think you just need white with your branding and everything.
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So, for me, my two choices are between matte white.
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The Calcutta with like all of this in the background, like this works.
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For branding purposes, I don't think it's good.
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Are you just going to sheep Maddie's opinion here?
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Thank you guys for your in-depth recommendation.
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Thank you for the help guys there with the fucking table.
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Those of you who are on Twitch, you guys are going to go to raid following.
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You're sitting on a fucking gold mine of crazy shit, and it's there.
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You couldn't have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
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Thank you to everyone who Super Chats, donates, and so graciously supports the show.
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Your patronage is very much appreciated in these dark times.
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Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram.
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I was going to try to make a joke, but I'm brain dead right now.
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And then check out her BDSM dungeon while you're at it.