Dating Talk #35
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3 hours and 44 minutes
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188.81215
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252
Summary
In this episode of Whatever Happened, we have our first guest on the show, Jade, aka NotJadesore, aka Kiki, aka Cam, aka Aaliyah, aka Lope, aka Jasmine, aka Aliyah, aka Jadyn, aka Analayah, aka Kayode, aka Jade, join us as we introduce ourselves to the world.
Transcript
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La donna è mobile, ha il piume al vento, muta d'accento e vita in sieno.
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Sempre un'amabile, legge addroviso, impianto in briso e menzognero.
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La donna è mobile, ha il piume al vento, muta d'accento e vita in sieno.
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La donna è mobile, ha il piume al vento, muta d'accento e vita in sieno.
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Anyways, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and door school major.
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Hello, my name is Jade, otherwise known as NotJadesore.
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I do dumb pranks to people and social experiments.
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And yeah, I'm going to say some dumb shit to Brian later.
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I'll say some dumb shit back to you so it works out.
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I'm also a student at UCSB studying biology and I'm 18 years old.
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My name is Jasmine and I'm 23 years old and I'm studying the SPCC and I still don't know what I want to study.
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So you can assess my fertility, my egg count, my valuableness to the world.
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Yeah, during the show, we actually tracked underneath the table.
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Do I look like I should be barefoot naked in your kitchen?
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Was that what precipitated wanting to start OnlyFans?
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Is everyone was locked up in their house and, hey, might as well make some money?
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She used my referral code on OF, but I got started because I started out as an import
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model, and so I already had like a following on Instagram.
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This was before they started banning everyone, and so I kind of converted those followers
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It's like, you know, there's haters out there, but like, you know, you're making your own
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money and like your own brand, so I'm not ashamed of it.
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Do you guys have a management company running your OnlyFans, or is it just all on your own?
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I don't have a management company on my own, also.
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Do a lot of girls have companies like running the shit for them, or is it, would you say
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most girls on OnlyFans, it's just they're on their own?
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Like, I think some of like the really big influencers have their management companies
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But they have like, like you have like assistants.
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Like, I have an assistant that does like my social media posts, so like I'll send her
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all my pictures for the week, and then she'll queue them up and stuff.
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And she'll queue them on my like Instagram, and like she'll post my stories in my Twitter
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feeds and retweet and stuff, and handle the collabs.
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But, um, I think management agencies were really big a while ago, but now girls are
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Because I've heard stories of how, because I mean, some of the girls maybe they're, they
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have such a huge audience that they can't respond to all the dudes that are messaging
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And I think that's a big way you monetize on OnlyFans is by having this interaction with
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the people that are messaging you, uh, so, have you guys ever considered, hmm, maybe I
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can optimize this by just having someone respond on my behalf?
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Um, I think even though you have a lot of subs, like most girls have paid pages.
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So, a lot of my traffic comes from my paid page.
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So, there's already like, that's already like a paywall right there that kind of weeds people
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And then, on top of that, like, um, I prioritize messages by how much they tip me.
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So, if you tip me more, and if you're more like, um, if you engage more by tipping, obviously
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How do you categorize the money that you make on OnlyFans?
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Because I mean, there's, there's the initial sub, right?
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Like, the more, the more custom it is, the more niche it is, the more money you make off
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I, I would say I make maybe like 10% of my income off of customs.
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Do you, are there limits to what you're willing to do?
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And no, like, pee or anything or like bodily stuff.
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Like, if they, if they request it, like, I have some weird customs.
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Per, per, maybe like a five to ten minute video.
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Customs are like, I don't like doing customs because it's like, it's just like, like me
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I don't, for some reason is different than someone saying like, do this and this and get
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I would say you can charge up to like $600 per custom.
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So, like, of the stuff that you guys do on OnlyFans, I mean, of the different ways that
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you can make money, you know, there's the initial sub, tips, customs.
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What would you say the bulk of your revenue comes from?
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Jade's very good at JOI because she's really good at telling people what to do.
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Oh, that's a little inappropriate for YouTube, I feel.
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Let me tell the chat to put cucumber emojis in the chat.
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How about you take out your big hard cucumber and start putting it on inside the chat, please?
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I want you to see your big ass cucumber in the chat.
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I recently acquired OnlyFans.com slash whatever.
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And I'm thinking of trying to do something, so it may be involving cucumbers.
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So maybe after the show, you can give me some advice on the OnlyFans game.
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But you have a lot of female fans that would want us to make it, right?
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It's like mostly, probably more gay fans than female fans.
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I was thinking maybe Kiki, like take some photos with Kiki and stuff, you know?
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Like she could be, because she's got the parts.
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And so for, as far as the content that you guys do, is it all solo content or do you fuck?
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So, sometimes I have like a, when I have a boyfriend, I make content with my boyfriend.
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Yeah, I find guys sometimes off of like Hinge and like dating apps.
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Okay, I have a question, if you guys don't mind.
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Like, you say like you just like find guys on Hinge.
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Like, do you just reach out to them and be like, oh, hey, like make a video with me?
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It's got to be like in the context of finding them and then just like being on the dating
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app as like a regular girl and then like going out on a date and getting to know them.
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And then if I like them, I'll just be like, I'll tell them like, hey, I do OnlyFans.
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Would you mind just like holding the camera and doing like POV while I like suck you off
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And usually they're like totally game for it because they're not, their faces aren't in
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And they like, and it's, it's kind of just like making a sex tape with, you know, a girl
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Or you get your friends, like your guy friends to like help you out.
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And then usually like guy friends are always down for that.
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Wait, when you, when you ask for help, like fucking or just film, like actually just filming.
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Like you got to like get them, like do some, like a photo shoot, like a sexy photo shoot
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And then you do like video of you like masturbating.
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And then, and then you jump into the third part, which is like, oh, can I give you like
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Ask them to start editing your videos just to get them used to the idea.
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So you said, but you said for you, you will have your boyfriends, if you have one at the
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So, I mean, you've been doing OnlyFans for two, three years now.
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So, have you had multiple boyfriends throughout this time period?
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I mean, like I've dated a couple of these guys.
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So, I'll meet them on Hinge because, like, I could go mainstream maybe and shoot for, like,
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But I feel like as far as monetization goes, sometimes it's better to do things.
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And then also, I feel like if your content's already out there, it might be harder to monetize.
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So, I choose to keep it behind, like, a paywall.
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And make sure they're thinking about you all the time.
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So, I post, like, two, three times a day because, like, they should just be thinking
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So, you post every day, but are you, you're not taking photos every day.
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Maybe you'll have, what, one, two days a week where you just take a bunch and then spread
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I'm not, like, Kazumi status, but I'm, like, I'm trying my best.
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She makes, like, she makes, like, $100,000, $200,000 a month.
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Do you recommend, like, people getting into OnlyFans?
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Like, if you want to have a career later on, I would say don't do it.
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So, like, if you wanted to go into corporate, everyone's going to find out later on.
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And then stuff leaks on the internet really easily.
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But, I mean, the numbers you're saying, I mean, that's.
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That's super, I mean, even out of university with a degree, most people are probably looking
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at $60,000, $70,000 a month, or sorry, a year salary.
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Like, you have to realize that there's, like, a timeline for this job.
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So, I feel like in order to, like, if you really want to commit to doing OF or, like,
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you know, porn or something, you have to really manage your money properly.
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But it's, like, do you have to think long-term, like, do I want to be doing it at, like, 69
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I saw one of your clips on TikTok, and you guys talk about, like, dating and sex and stuff.
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So, would you guys consider the podcast to kind of be more your side hustle and OnlyFans
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is, like, your primary thing that you're focused on?
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Or are you guys maybe thinking, hmm, how can I maybe transition into, like, either Twitch
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Well, I think for me, OnlyFans is more like a supplemental income.
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My main hustle is, like, I'm in acting school right now.
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So, eventually, I'm going to stop and just, like, delete it, make a new name, and then
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get in, try to get into Hollywood, and that's my, that's my goal.
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Just not, yeah, and then use my real name for acting.
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Oh, man, they really fuck you up in acting school, though.
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Because there's a lot of, like, crazy shit that I've done.
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Have you been practicing a monologue that you want to do for the?
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So, right now, I'm playing, like, Patrick Bateman from American Psycho.
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But it's really hard, because I really have to, like, it's method acting, so you have to
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So, I have to, like, imagine a time where I've felt very, like, very, like, they said
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They're, like, oh, think of a time where you, like, abused an animal at one point.
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That's how, that's how, yeah, that's how psychopaths are created.
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They start by abusing animals, and then they abuse humans later on in life.
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I'm looking for a little prop I have here, but I want to ask, so, are your parents, what
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My mom is supportive of me, because my mom, my mom's Chinese, and she likes money, so
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she saw, like, the, she saw it come in, and she's like, oh, okay, you can, you can keep
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Their early work was a little too new wave for my taste, but when sports came out in
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83, they really came into their own, both commercially and artistically.
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You said you're doing a scene from American Psycho.
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I'm doing the scene where he has the, the girl, his assistant in his room.
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I've seen the full movie, like, very high, though.
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Yeah, so I don't have a close relationship with my father.
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And with my mom, she knows that I do something in, like, she's seen the podcast.
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She knows I do something, like, sexy online, but she doesn't really, like, she doesn't, she
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doesn't, she hasn't seen my OF, but she, like, knows how much I make, and she's okay with
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And do you guys, like, so outside of OF, do you guys do any sort of arrangement type
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I used to have a sugar daddy, but that was, like, a couple years ago.
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Just someone, like, your one patron, maybe two or three patrons, that they're the ones
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that are just dropping, like, a huge portion of the money.
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Uh, all soup chats will be displayed in stream overlay.
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I've always, I never pegged a guy before, but I've always wanted to.
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Um, Michael Trilstein, thank you for the $1 soup chat, man.
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YouTube won't let me gift tonight because I maxed out L Susan.
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They, I don't know why YouTube would have a limit on how much you can super chat.
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That just seems stupid to me for whales like you, Michael Trilstein.
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Michael Trilstein, by the way, guys, if you don't know, he is, uh,
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But he's like represent, he's, he's trying to get him out of, out of prison.
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So, uh, Michael Trilstein, $10 soup chat, pink hair to Asian beauty,
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Wait, are you, oh, you're, you're a white male.
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It's not like, like, I think white guys are attractive.
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But I also feel like Asian guys don't get enough representation and, um, I'm really
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So I prefer Asian guys, but you know, I don't discriminate at the end of the day.
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Typically I, I like to date, but like mostly my dating roster has been Asians.
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Like in my OF, I only, I only like premier Asian guys in my OF because I feel like there's
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not enough Asian representation in porn and people need to see Asian penis.
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Um, I've, I've had, I've dated black guys earlier on, but like I, it's hard for me to shoot
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Um, I've seen black dick, but I've never like touched it.
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Like I've seen it on Pornhub and I don't think I could handle, honestly.
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So as far as dating goes, you said that you don't date white guys.
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Um, I've had one white boyfriend who's quite older, like a lot older than me.
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I just think there's like a big cultural difference.
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Like I had to, like, I had to eat a lot of like his food.
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And when it came to like meeting my parents, like he didn't understand why we had to bring
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them fruit and he was just very opinionated on certain things.
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I just feel more comfortable dating Asian guys.
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Um, and I also feel like now that I'm older, I feel like there aren't, there isn't enough.
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Like, I feel like Asian guys do really get the short end of the stick as far as like being
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Um, I think I, I was looking at the, uh, statistics and Asian women marry outside of
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their race twice as frequently as Asian men do.
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So I think it's, um, I don't know the exact numbers, but it was, it's on Wikipedia.
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I think like there's 150,000 Asian men who are married outside their race.
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I don't know the exact numbers, but, but it's twice as much.
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So yeah, I definitely feel like Asian men are discriminated against when it comes to
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Like, I'm not saying I'd like discriminate against white men, but if you were to get like,
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if I was to like compare like an Asian guy and a white guy who were like had around the
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same personality, same type of stuff, like every time I'd go for the Asian guy, not saying
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that I'm just like, not, I don't, I think that's fine.
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I think it's, I think I saw on Tik TOK, it was like 70% is like Asian female, white male.
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Do I, like, I wouldn't say I have like a major racial preference.
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I will say I've had probably more a disproportionate amount of Asian girlfriends.
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I mean, one, one of my long-term relationships, she is white.
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Um, but yeah, disproportionately for some reason, how many Asian girlfriends?
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And then there was the Chinese, Chinese red flag.
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You guys, we have a, you guys did a video on this, which we, we will react to.
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Um, but I, no, I've dated a couple Asian women, but, uh, I, I wouldn't, I don't think I, I
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definitely wouldn't say I have like a Asian fetish or like yellow fever or whatever it's
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But, um, actually on the race thing, um, does anyone here like have, I don't know if we
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Um, what, one thing I've heard when it comes to the race thing though, is that, um, and
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maybe you can weigh in, weigh in on this, is that, um, black women have a strong preference
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And none of my girlfriends have any preferences.
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Um, I typically don't have a preference, but I do like black guys and that actually,
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It's okay to have preferences, but, um, yeah, I have a preference.
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I would say more like, I like men with color, dark skins or light skins.
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But, uh, Michael Trillstein, thank you for the $10 soup chat.
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We have, um, once again, Michael Trillstein with the subsequent $10 soup chat.
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We're like six memberships away from our unlocking our next emoji slot.
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So, uh, please consider becoming a member or gifting a membership.
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Oh, and then we got, yo, we got Mike Davis here with the $10 soup chat.
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Uh, OF ain't the easy money it once was for these degenerates during the pandemic.
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They should be voting Trump 2024 to put some more bread in the, uh, I'm not gonna, you almost
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Actually, can you scoot the picture frame that way?
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So he's kind of like part of the, that's what I was looking at the whole time.
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Well, um, oh, by the way, Mike Davis, are you still in the chat?
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Um, I spent many an hour working on this last night.
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Um, so guys, we've, we scoured the internet for pictures of Mike Davis.
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And as you guys know, he is a proprietor of at least seven Burger King establishments on
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I know that you've been trying to hide your identity, but we found this photo of you in
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I, I, everyone thinks I'm joking about the Burger King thing.
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Um, so this is Mike Davis, um, in his, this is his, uh, the third.
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No, actually this is his first chain that he opened.
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Um, so yeah, Mike Davis, thank you for the, uh, $10 soup chat.
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Hopefully Mike Davis is still in the chat and caught that.
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To the two Mexican, Mexican girls next to Brian.
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Would you guys like to respond to Everyday Edgar?
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I mean, like, like fans, like, you could just like pick anyone.
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I feel like you wouldn't be attracted to a fan.
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You got, don't you, well, I don't know if you can give away the game, but like, to some
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degree, don't you kind of look down on the customers to a degree?
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I mean, they're the ones that are effectively like paying my bills.
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And I think like, OF does sound really cheesy and it sounds like, to people that haven't
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experienced it, it sounds cheesy, but like, you do really get kind of deep with people
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And at first it does, it is like transactional and it, and it always will be transactional,
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but you do get to understand people and like the reason why they're on OF.
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And like, they are humans and they realize that I'm a human.
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And then I've had, you know, some of my best customers subscribe for a while.
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And then, you know, they'll be like, they'll hit me up after a couple months and they'll
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Well, like after I've been drunk on those nights, I've been lonely, but like, I just
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So you do really form friendships and like bonds on OF.
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Is there any, cause I mean, some people do escorting, right?
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And you might not even, that might not even be something that you'd be down to do.
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But like, have you ever considered, Hey, 20 K for a one-on-one date?
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That's like a lot different than online sex work, even though it is sex work.
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We did have a conversation on our podcast about how much it would take for us to fuck Harvey
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I remember now for a Tesla or a house or something.
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How much are you going to pay me to let you peg me?
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I want 5% of your OnlyFans earnings moving forward.
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So actually, let me do the Super Chats and I have one more question related to OnlyFans.
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Like that he's jealous of Jared Leto's character.
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By the way, that's Jason who was on the last show.
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So Brian, hypothetical question since I know you're a man of God.
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If you were to go on a date with Fun Lee, I like that.
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So before I answer that, we'll get the table's take on this.
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Unless I'm not interested in him, then I will offer to split it.
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I think the guy should be a gentleman and pay the first date.
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I'm honestly kind of 50-50, but I'm just going to go like what I've done in the past
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and offer to split, and then if he goes, oh, I got it, then it's his.
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Personally, I think if it's like we're going on a date and we're going to like it's pursuing
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a relationship, then he's going to pay, or there's no second date.
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So let's say the guy, you're really attracted to him, date went great, there's the chemistry,
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but end of the date comes, and he says, hey, let's get separate checks, or ask a waiter
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Like, why did you ask me out to that place then if you can't pay?
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I had a guy take me to the weekend concert, pit tickets.
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So honestly, if a guy isn't going to pay for a first date, don't take me to that place,
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Wait, but in the example you just gave, did he pay?
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Well, I mean, for something like that, if you're going to invite someone for an event like that,
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Well, if you're going to invite me on a date, you would pay.
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So pretty much besides you, the guy should pay.
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But are you going to feel a certain type of way?
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Like, if it's a nicer place and I was asked to go somewhere, of course I'm going to offer
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to pay and only order things that I know I can afford.
00:39:41.020
But then it's like, you want to go 50-50, so you obviously don't like me as much.
00:39:47.120
Or it's just the fact that what I ordered and what you ordered, the price doesn't really
00:39:53.480
So, you know, it really just depends on what I feel, what I gauge the situation was.
00:40:01.720
I also want to emphasize that if it's like a first date versus like a relationship, like
00:40:06.380
obviously if I'm dating the guy, like I'm going to pay, like I'm going to have a share
00:40:11.800
Like, but like first date, if the guy asks me, he like slides into my DMs or he like
00:40:16.840
whatever, like if he's asking me to go to a specific place, like he should pay.
00:40:25.880
So I'm going to make the table pretty angry at me.
00:40:28.000
So I don't believe, actually, actually, before I make my point, really quick going around
00:40:45.960
But I, I mean, gender equality in like what context and just like men and women are biologically
00:40:54.620
I mean, I think there's different, definitely differences in gender, but I feel like if you're
00:40:58.960
going to talk about our value in society and like how valuable we are, of course we're equal.
00:41:03.620
I think we offer, but we offer different things to each gender has different roles that we are
00:41:11.580
Like, so in that aspect, no, I don't think we're completely even.
00:41:22.200
I think men are mostly CEOs and I feel like they run the world.
00:41:35.360
Well, I feel like men hold a lot of power in the world.
00:41:42.100
Like maybe like 1% of the men hold a lot of power.
00:41:44.900
So, but like, for example, say there's a guy like asking girls inappropriate question versus
00:41:51.500
a girl asking guys, there's always like a two-sided, it's not, it's not fair.
00:41:59.220
So like if a, if a girl were to ask a guy inappropriate questions, that's okay on the internet.
00:42:03.140
But if a guy were to ask a girl inappropriate questions, that's like not cool.
00:42:12.540
Well, so I mean the, the video was, um, this is one of our crazy viral videos back in the
00:42:20.160
I had a girl go up to guys, just point blank, say, Hey, I think you're cute.
00:42:26.720
And she, well, first off, just the responses from the genders were different.
00:42:32.380
And then I did the version where I'd go up to girls, just point blank, say, Hey, I think
00:42:38.900
Uh, actually most of the girls, like some girls got offended, but most of the girls just
00:42:44.500
Um, but then like when we've showed the clip to the panel before, they're all like, Oh,
00:42:52.620
But the guy one, that's like inappropriate, creepy girl one's cool.
00:42:59.420
Um, do you believe in gender equality, feminism, or do you consider yourself a feminist?
00:43:06.180
But I think that there's kind of like a different definition for feminism, especially for white
00:43:14.600
I don't really align myself with white feminism per se.
00:43:17.940
Like to give you an example, like, um, is there a Latina feminism?
00:43:21.680
Well, I mean like, yeah, I would say it kind of divides with people of color and then white
00:43:26.000
feminism, but so much so like it's, I, maybe I should just say intersectionality.
00:43:30.700
I would agree with you that the, the, the origins of feminism were extremely racist.
00:43:38.680
But, um, and I'm not a particular fan of feminism, but, but, and I'd have to tell you
00:43:44.700
what my definition of feminism is, but, uh, your take.
00:43:49.440
Um, I think that gender roles are never going to be equal, honestly.
00:43:56.580
So you can kind of, you can try as hard as you want to like make things equal, but like
00:44:08.780
Um, I don't consider myself a feminist because I am a stay at home mom.
00:44:16.460
So I don't think I really, I don't think it wasn't me.
00:44:23.400
I don't think I really believe in like gender equality.
00:44:26.660
And I think that's also part of like the Hispanic culture.
00:44:30.300
Like, it's very, um, like we're not really feminist.
00:44:35.640
Like we're more of like, oh, the husband's the breadwinner.
00:44:38.760
The wife stays home and takes care of the kids and the house and stuff like that.
00:44:52.120
I think that like women also have power to do most of the things that men do, but I don't
00:45:05.500
Um, I don't know why I'm, I'm derailing the conversation a little bit, but okay.
00:45:10.200
So I guess my question, and I still need to address the super chat here.
00:45:16.440
How do you reconcile believing in gender equality, but also thinking that, and I know some of you
00:45:22.740
didn't, but maybe some more so for you two, you said the guy should pay on the first date,
00:45:31.860
Um, I said, I believe in gender equality as far as like saying that like men and women
00:45:37.280
are equally valuable in society, but I don't think that we have gender equality as far as
00:45:44.720
So I think males are naturally, like naturally, um, biologically even like fall into, fall into
00:45:50.640
more of like the care or like the, the hunter gatherer, like role, like they're, they bring
00:45:57.160
like back in the caveman days, they were bringing back the food and hunting the food.
00:46:01.380
And then women were like the caretakers of the house.
00:46:03.540
So I think I have a more traditional ideology on from that aspect.
00:46:08.800
So the, I guess where I was going with this is I won't pay on the first date.
00:46:21.680
So I believe in like the 50, 50 and you've had Asian girlfriends.
00:46:32.360
I feel like, I feel like for most, most Asian girls, I don't, maybe more Americanized Asian
00:46:38.840
I feel like maybe they'd let that slide, but they were like for, um, their parents were,
00:46:46.800
So like not, they were born in the U S but parents were immigrants.
00:46:51.320
Um, I mean, actually, no, one of the girls just, she, just, she was a simp.
00:47:06.660
She'd like just bring me food all the time and pay for everything.
00:47:09.860
Not, well, to be fair, we didn't like go out a lot, but she just like bring over food
00:47:15.840
She's also, wait, no, I'm not going to say that.
00:47:35.840
So she's going to control every other part of your life.
00:47:38.500
Well, no, she, I was, I was in charge, but she would pay.
00:47:52.480
The very first time we hung out, she went through my phone and got pissed at me.
00:47:59.360
I ended up dating her for five years, but that's a, that was, uh, do not recommend, do not recommend.
00:48:12.800
So to get to the date thing, um, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't really pay on the first date.
00:48:19.780
There are some exceptions where I will pay, but what are the exceptions?
00:48:25.560
If I'm dating someone, like, who's say like between 18 to 23, if they're like in college, then okay.
00:48:46.600
Gone are the days of people being truly single.
00:48:51.840
Like people are dating multiple people at the same time.
00:48:54.920
So I would feel bad if I like adhere to my traditional gender roles of paying for a date.
00:49:01.660
If the girl's like fucking three other dudes or fucking one other dude, two other dudes, three other dudes.
00:49:07.580
Like for me, it's just, I don't even want to, no offense to anybody here, but maybe I'm old fashioned.
00:49:14.600
Like I want a girl to be truly single, even off rip on the first date.
00:49:26.640
But just for me, like, I don't, I don't want it.
00:49:30.000
Would that mean that you're also truly single on the first date or?
00:49:39.740
Well, like, it's not like a, yeah, of course I'm lying.
00:49:49.820
I don't have time to be like juggling three chicks.
00:49:54.520
So like, if I'm talking to a girl, like if, if I sleep with a girl for sure,
00:50:01.240
Like, I mean, most people, they're going to be maybe dating, but like sleeping
00:50:07.420
Cause I'm not interested in one night stands either.
00:50:09.020
Like to me, that's a, it's a waste of fucking time for me.
00:50:12.140
Like if I'm going to take you, go on dates and like do all that, do the
00:50:19.020
It's not worth it to me to sleep with a girl one time and then never see her
00:50:32.100
With the girls that you date, do you tell them that from like, from the get?
00:50:39.220
But, um, no, but I mean, I can have a life partner, but marriage.
00:50:45.060
Because, because men lose in marriage overwhelmingly.
00:50:50.120
Well, maybe you guys, cause you guys might end up being the breadwinners in your
00:50:52.980
relationships because I mean, you guys are high earners, but like the, the way that the
00:51:00.200
court system is set up and the way the marriage laws are in most Western countries, no fault
00:51:06.240
divorce, like it's women are incentivized for divorce.
00:51:17.380
So it's just, and then you get the government involved and you got to pay for the lawyers.
00:51:21.520
And it's just, why, why do we need the government involved in our love?
00:51:25.720
Well, from a woman's perspective though, like I don't think women, I don't think it works in
00:51:30.160
favor of women because the older women get the more, like it sounds really crude, but like the
00:51:36.700
So like you could divorce your wife at 50 and then start all over and marry a 25 year old
00:51:44.520
And even though she gets half of your money, she doesn't, she doesn't necessarily want
00:51:48.480
to start all over and she can't get like a 25 year old guy.
00:51:51.500
And if she does, he might just be in it for the money and he's going to leave her.
00:51:54.220
Like she can't, it's hard for her to find true love where it's not as hard for you.
00:51:58.240
So I feel like that's the trade-off right there.
00:52:00.320
I mean, in the past it made sense because women were not engaging in the labor pool as frequently
00:52:10.680
Actually, women are, there are more women in college and there are more women who are
00:52:14.360
getting graduate degrees or undergraduate degrees.
00:52:18.540
I think it's like 60, 40 is the split in universities.
00:52:22.500
So in today's day and age, women are, they're making their own money.
00:52:27.760
So the alimony laws are outdated and there's a bias in the court system against men.
00:52:37.480
And then you get divorced and, and also women initiate like 80% of divorces.
00:52:45.760
That's like, is that in the almanac or something?
00:52:47.820
Like, I feel like that's a made up statistic, Brian.
00:52:54.120
Can I ask you, can I ask you, we can go around the table on this.
00:52:56.120
And Jason, I will get back to your super chat on the first date thing.
00:52:58.700
Um, of the breakups that you've had, would you say you've initiated that more or has
00:53:08.480
Of the times you've had to either break up with someone or say, Hey, I don't want to
00:53:15.840
So I guess that's not, you know, cause sometimes you've been seeing someone for, you know,
00:53:20.940
That's not really a relationship where you're going to do a proper breakup.
00:53:23.680
But of the times you've ceased a, um, relationship of any duration, I think it's been half.
00:53:36.100
So two times you were dumped and two times you dumped them.
00:53:39.780
Like, I feel like my last two relationships, I ended in like the beginning to day.
00:53:54.280
He wrote in a diary about like little tactics to do like how to, how to sleep with women.
00:54:12.400
Every girl that, every girl that he's dating, like he had like, um, like a list and comparison
00:54:17.840
Oh, like all the girls he was dating at one time?
00:54:27.960
Oh, that's not, I thought it was going to be like 50.
00:54:30.720
But like detailed, like paragraphs on each four and their characters and their personalities.
00:54:41.020
So of all the times you've had to say, hey, I don't want to see you anymore.
00:54:49.900
I've actually never really been in an actual relationship.
00:54:58.820
So I forgot to, normally I do this like after the intros, but we started talking about the
00:55:05.220
So we'll go around the table really quick on this.
00:55:08.080
But, uh, current relationship status, longest relationship, and are you on any dating apps?
00:55:14.900
Uh, it was, oh, current relationship status, single.
00:55:19.280
Longest relationship and are you on any dating apps?
00:55:21.480
Longest relationship, uh, four years, which is my first relationship.
00:55:31.360
My longest relationship was three and a half years.
00:55:43.340
Longest relationship, never been in one really.
00:55:53.100
What is the, what is the longest period of time that you've seen a guy, maybe he didn't
00:55:57.280
end up becoming your boyfriend, so to speak, but what's the longest period of time?
00:56:08.460
Yeah, like, I mean, like, I've talked to people, like, text them, and then, like.
00:56:15.740
And it'll be, like, one or two dates, and, like, that's it.
00:56:20.820
It's more just, like, uh, I don't, I don't know how to describe it.
00:56:24.260
It's like, well, I'm doing school, and you're probably doing school, or your job, or whatever
00:56:39.960
Um, my current relationship status is single, and the longest relationship I was in was on
00:56:56.260
So, that's my longest relationship I've been with.
00:57:09.280
Um, my current relationship status is single, and my longest relationship, I'll say, three years?
00:57:26.020
Okay, so, of the men who you've dated, okay, I remember.
00:57:36.260
Of the times that you've had to break up with someone, or the relationship, however long
00:57:46.000
it's been, are you initiating the end, or is the guy?
00:57:56.880
In my on and off relationship, it was mostly him up until the end, and then I was-
00:58:01.660
Can you tilt the microphone down towards you a bit?
00:58:03.440
And can you just project your voice just a little bit louder?
00:58:07.220
Um, in my two-year relationship, that was on and off.
00:58:10.160
It was mostly him, um, and then the end, the last time, it was me, but in, like, little
00:58:16.400
things I have, or, like, situations, it's usually me.
00:58:22.100
So, I've only been in one relationship prior to this one, but, um, I broke up with him,
00:58:31.220
Okay, so your current husband is extremely exciting and captivating.
00:58:37.420
He's the opposite of me, like, he's super outgoing, and I'm, like, shy.
00:58:44.600
Do you more often end it, or does the guy more often end it?
00:58:50.680
I think I do, because I just tend to change my attitude, or, like, the way I text him,
00:58:59.400
So, I think, like, then I'm, like, okay, I don't want to talk to you no more, you know?
00:59:04.660
Yeah, so, I mean, just, I guess, where I was going with this is that it's a bad bet for
00:59:09.460
men to get married for a myriad of reasons, but one of those, it's more likely, women are
00:59:19.280
But does that, does that, like, I don't understand why, like, maybe it's because men later on
00:59:27.040
in life, maybe they, like, cheat on their wives, like, do you, do you expect women just
00:59:30.360
to, like, stay with their husbands after being cheated on?
00:59:32.560
Like, maybe the man, like, you know what I'm saying?
00:59:35.240
Like, that doesn't really, I don't feel like that really says anything.
00:59:38.160
That doesn't say that the woman's divorcing the man to get half his money.
00:59:42.880
Especially now when you say that women make their own money, right?
00:59:52.060
80% of divorces are initiated by women, I already said that.
00:59:54.800
90% of child support payments go from men to women.
01:00:05.740
Like, you shouldn't enter into a contract with someone who's rewarded for breaking it.
01:00:10.020
And, by the way, I have a list here of some men who have been divorced.
01:00:16.780
You can, like, contractually, like, say, you know, put these things on paper and still be, you know,
01:00:22.880
and still be part of, like, still raise, like, a nuclear family, try to, a traditional family.
01:00:26.780
Well, the issue with prenups is prenups can get thrown out.
01:00:32.040
And very often, like, all the woman has to say, or I guess the man could say it, too,
01:00:36.540
if the prenup is kind of unfavorable towards him.
01:00:44.720
I mean, I think with Dr. Dre, the prenup he had with his wife got thrown out.
01:00:51.560
She took him for, like, she wanted, like, six figures a month in spousal support.
01:00:56.120
It's just, like, fucking, I mean, I know he's extremely wealthy, but shit's fucking crazy.
01:01:02.780
Guys, I'm telling you, prenups are not ironclad.
01:01:10.440
Even if you have a lawyer draft that shit up, they can still come after you.
01:01:21.700
There was recently a case where, oh, you're also from Canada.
01:01:27.060
Eric, I don't know if you're on the other window.
01:01:29.640
There was this case where this guy wasn't even married to a woman.
01:01:40.900
And he had to, not married, he had to pay her after the breakup.
01:01:47.020
Not for child support, but support, because he was providing her with a certain lifestyle or some bullshit.
01:01:54.780
So, even if you're not married, guys, if you're in Canada, Canada's a lost cause, but no offense, Jade.
01:02:02.560
Something like Canada, man has to pay girlfriend, not married.
01:02:16.780
She had the best lawyers in the world, probably.
01:02:23.600
If you're getting married, though, I feel like if you're married, like, if I marry someone, like, my income becomes his income.
01:02:33.080
Like, you can't see it as, like, me versus them, or like, oh, like, you're going to take advantage of me.
01:02:37.720
Like, I feel like if you're really going to, like, be in a marriage, you have to see it as, like, we do this for each other.
01:02:42.860
There's no, like, oh, I did this for you, you did this for me.
01:02:46.760
Okay, I mean, I'll give you that, that if you guys have, if your income potential or your earnings are commensurate, then sure.
01:02:57.400
If you're a guy, I mean, there's some other downfalls, too, because, I mean, divorce, then the lawyers get involved.
01:03:02.760
I mean, if your incomes are equal, you guys are probably going to still lose money, both of you, because you got to get the lawyers involved, and then, so that's a whole other thing.
01:03:11.440
But, yeah, if you're a girlfriend, your future wife is going to be a breadwinner, or you're making the same amount of money, then there's, like, less of a risk from the financial component.
01:03:32.280
Like, it's not about who hurt me, it's just the marriage is a partnership, and it's a financial one.
01:03:39.800
I mean, there's other components to it, but there's a financial component to a relationship.
01:03:45.060
And, actually, most marriages, the leading cause, I think the main cause of divorce is financial issues.
01:03:52.500
So, I mean, of course, I think the financial component to it is definitely important.
01:03:56.900
I mean, love, that's cool, I guess, but, yeah, it's just, sure, if your girlfriend's making good money, then, I guess, okay, get married.
01:04:14.580
But if you're the breadwinner, then you have to be, you have to make a more calculated decision about...
01:04:20.900
Also, the thing is, is, like, the only scenario where I would genuinely get married, okay, what are the vows, right, that people say?
01:04:45.080
If I'm going to marry a girl, that shit's for life.
01:04:49.000
I mean, yeah, I guess I could be divorced, but, like, I would have to be so fucking certain that she's the one.
01:04:58.760
I'm sure most people, when they get married, they're not anticipating, yeah, we're probably going to be divorced in three years, you know?
01:05:04.620
So, but, I don't know, people's words don't mean anything.
01:05:08.160
Like, if I say, for life, I mean, me at least, I mean that shit.
01:05:14.140
So, but I have a list here of some men who have been divorced.
01:05:21.680
Or, like, you just, like, you had people, like, if you're divorced, like, tell us why.
01:05:31.900
Like, very high status men that, if they're getting divorced, what chance does a regular guy stand?
01:05:37.280
Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Dr. Dre, Ryan Reynolds, Tom Brady, Lance Armstrong, Alex Rodriguez, Channing Tatum, Chris Rock, Ben Affleck, Chris Pratt, Liam Hensworth, Ben Stiller, David Duchovny, Orlando Bloom, Tiger Woods, Sean Penn, Sylvester Stallone, Paul McCartney, Ryan Felipe, Jason Momoa, and Michael Jordan.
01:06:05.800
Yeah, but some of those, like, those guys did some pretty mean things to their wives.
01:06:12.420
So, obviously, their wives are going to, you're not going to stand for that, you know?
01:06:20.100
How are you going to say they're good guys and you only see the public perception of them?
01:06:24.880
Brad Pitt's kind of a fucking legend in my book.
01:06:30.960
Like, there's literally, like, pictures of his ex-wife, like, absolutely shouting with joy
01:06:43.680
And here's the other thing, like, you got to worry about with marriage and, like, having children
01:06:47.300
is they can manufacture false accusations of child abuse, spousal abuse.
01:06:57.900
Like, and they're going to use that as leverage in divorce proceedings and custody disputes.
01:07:04.520
So, I guess I'm saying these names because these are very high-status men.
01:07:10.720
A lot of them are exceptionally attractive, wealthy.
01:07:14.860
If high-status, super good-looking, high-status men, wealthy men can't keep a woman, what chance
01:07:28.540
Because they're probably cheating on their women all the time.
01:07:30.620
Yeah, I mean, like, we're saying, like, things are superficial and stuff.
01:07:33.820
And then you go back and we're like, we don't want anything superficial.
01:07:36.620
But it's, like, behind everything else, behind being super attractive or super rich, you could
01:07:46.000
Like, I don't understand why somebody would just stay with a guy.
01:07:48.840
Like, oh, he's emotionally and mentally abusing me, but he's so hot and he's so rich.
01:07:53.860
Like, no, no one realistically is going to do that.
01:07:57.180
And obviously their wives didn't because they got divorced, or at least some of those people.
01:08:01.200
My sense is, is that, yeah, maybe some of these guys, there was some infidelity going on.
01:08:16.340
You're, like, dick-riding him so hard right now.
01:08:23.500
I would actually, I would have an, I would have an asexual romantic relationship with Brad
01:08:38.240
And then if death do you guys part, you guys are just forever together.
01:08:46.700
Brad Pitt is hotter, like, than a lot of these chicks out here.
01:08:56.540
Are you sure you didn't want to be pegged for cheaper?
01:09:10.380
I may not be super rich or good looking, but you can trust me.
01:09:21.180
Asexual, gay, like, whatever you're comfortable with, you know?
01:09:38.560
And the fact that you chose Brad Pitt, Brad Pitt out of Ryan Reynolds is crazy.
01:09:45.800
You had Ryan Reynolds in that list and you chose Brad Pitt.
01:10:08.300
If you chose anybody else and you chose Brad Pitt, like, really, be for him.
01:10:12.740
I mean, Ryan Reynolds, personality-wise, I don't know.
01:10:23.120
Ryan Reynolds is funnier, but Brad Pitt just...
01:10:59.020
If you want, you can just pop that piece off, like, just here at the table.
01:11:10.660
I'll like stick it for like five more minutes and I'll like take it off.
01:11:13.200
Or you can just leave it on the rest of the show.
01:11:15.360
You want me to leave it on the rest of the show?
01:11:37.860
So I was like, how can we spice up the attire a little bit?
01:11:44.860
And I feel like more people are going to sub on your OnlyFans wearing this than what you were wearing before.
01:11:52.600
I think if you're uncomfortable, you should change.
01:12:00.680
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01:12:04.820
Like for you guys as OnlyFans, you guys should do a promo code.
01:12:09.440
I'm just saying do a promo code like 10%, 20% off.
01:12:18.060
So let me address the who should pay on the first date thing.
01:12:31.320
If you were to go on a date with Fun Lee, how would you not pay for the first date?
01:12:52.280
I'll typically meet for like coffee or tea or...
01:13:18.120
If you're early, the waiter comes up and you're like,
01:13:21.240
Hey, separate checks at the end before the girl arrives.
01:13:31.120
Like when the waiter comes, you have to beforehand say separate checks.
01:13:36.100
Or what you do if you arrive at the bar or the lounge early and there's not a waiter.
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Because even if you're five, ten minutes early, she's going to be late.
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She's going to be five, ten minutes late anyway.
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Then when she arrives, she's like, you say, Oh, I already got my drink.
01:14:12.200
But then how do you get them to like go out with you?
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I'll be like, let's meet for at Starbucks at 7 p.m. or, you know, whatever it is.
01:14:22.020
Do like a majority of girls agree to meet me for dates?
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I'll meet either for coffee or I'll meet for like a drink.
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How many of those stuck from like say like 29 to like your current age?
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So I've, and by the way, guys, you're going to lose girls if you do this shit.
01:15:14.180
When you do that, do they ever like throw you shade or anything?
01:15:17.400
You know, the thing is, is that Santa Barbara is a pretty liberal place.
01:15:20.640
So a lot of girls are, they would probably identify politically as pretty liberal.
01:15:24.180
So, I mean, I feel like most, I mean, I don't know.
01:15:29.120
There's a lot of women who are like feminist until the check comes.
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So I've definitely lost girls because of it for sure.
01:15:39.340
It's not all, Jade, it's not all about the money.
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You have your co-host to keep you company, you know?
01:15:46.840
No, I mean, look, guys, if you do this shit, especially if you do this somewhere that's
01:15:51.140
not as liberal as California, you're going to lose girls if you don't, if you don't pay
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It's not because we don't have the money to pay for our own meal.
01:16:04.100
It's not because it's like, we're too cheap to like.
01:16:09.260
Wait, why is it the principle that the guy should pay?
01:16:11.860
Well, I feel like in order for a big, a big indicator of how invested a guy is into me,
01:16:19.920
I think is like how much monetarily he'll invest.
01:16:23.780
And I'm not saying like how many gifts he can give us, but it's like acts of service and
01:16:26.780
just something as little as like paying for a meal.
01:16:28.500
It doesn't have to be like, it doesn't have to be like a really expensive meal, but just
01:16:31.820
the gesture of like paying for a meal, I think is a way to kind of gauge if a guy is serious
01:16:37.940
If I was to go on a guy who wanted to split the check, I feel like he's, he's not really
01:16:43.980
I mean, I would actually counter and say that in today's day and age where there's women who
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are going on dates specifically to get a meal out of guys.
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I'm not saying all women do this, but definitely there are women who do it.
01:16:56.280
Like, I actually think if we want to talk about determining the seriousness in which we're
01:17:01.860
engaging in the courtship process, I actually think women should be paying the whole fucking
01:17:10.720
So here's why I'll tell you, I'll tell you why.
01:17:15.400
Because men, like if we go on a date with a girl, like we probably, we have a genuine
01:17:24.320
And that's like all we have to ourselves is just like to sleep with us.
01:17:29.700
I'm sure women will go on a date with a guy cause they're bored.
01:17:35.220
I guess, I guess someone, not, not all women, but some women will go and guys don't do this
01:17:41.240
Well, one, because they can't, because there's an expectation that men should pay on the dates,
01:17:47.640
So they have no romantic interest in the guy and they will just go on the date just to
01:17:55.000
I feel like that happens to like the 1% on Reddit and they're like, this happened.
01:18:01.820
They actually, uh, it was a university in Southern California.
01:18:06.060
No, there's a university in Southern California.
01:18:07.700
They did a study on this and something like 33% of the female respondents said that at some
01:18:23.500
I made a guy like order me like Uber eats when he's like living in another country.
01:18:34.560
I mean, if they want to do it, I'm not going to openly like go through my phone and see
01:18:38.260
these messages on Tinder and like scroll through them.
01:18:40.560
And like, there's men like begging to like take you out.
01:18:44.740
Like it's, they're doing it to themselves, honestly.
01:18:49.720
I mean, that is sort of the, I mean, the whole idea of whoever asks should pay.
01:18:55.240
So like, if you want to be taken seriously, act serious.
01:18:56.840
Make it clear that you're serious about what you're doing.
01:18:59.060
I couldn't have totally serious intentions to date a girl and not want to pay for her
01:19:04.560
But like what, but you're just going to promise her that with your words that you say don't
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really matter, especially in like a marriage situation.
01:19:10.460
But like how many, how do you show her that you're not just trying to fuck her and use
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But how many girls, how many times does a guy pay only to hit it and quit it?
01:19:20.460
Like, I don't think a guy paying is a great metric of this guy's going to take you seriously.
01:19:25.120
It's a better metric than him asking you to split the check.
01:19:27.920
That way I think it, do you think it's more likely if that he'll hit and quit it if he
01:19:36.040
I mean, in my eyes, like if I, like if you're pursuing a relationship and you ask the girl
01:19:43.340
But like, if you're just trying to like be friends with benefits or like something, or
01:19:47.280
it's like further in a relationship, like something like that, like it would be fine to split it
01:19:51.440
because it's not as like formal as like wanting to pursue a relationship with this woman that
01:19:58.940
You're asking for them to come meet you there or wherever, however it's getting to this
01:20:06.320
So it might as well just finish the effort that you're putting in.
01:20:08.420
No, I mean, listen, I realize I have a very peculiar position.
01:20:12.880
I think a lot of men would disagree with me on this.
01:20:17.200
Also, a lot of men disagree with me on this one, but it's just the shitty hill that I'm
01:20:25.620
Like, I'm just, that's just my position, you know?
01:20:32.740
If you, if you do the whole, you're going to lose girls.
01:20:37.720
They're going to, it's going to be a turnoff or whatever it may be.
01:20:49.180
In my experience, the one date that I went on, I offered to split it because I knew I
01:21:02.620
But then I said, oh, if you're down for a second date, then I have the next one.
01:21:06.740
Like that, I feel like it's a, it's a trade-off, you know, like that.
01:21:11.140
The thing is though, is that a lot of dates don't make it to the second date.
01:21:16.480
Like in the past, when guys were, maybe there's a greater expectation for men to pay in today's
01:21:22.680
day and age, the likelihood of any of a first date going further than that is greatly diminished.
01:21:29.200
Like back in, you know, say even 10, 20, 30 years ago, 40, 50 years ago, if you took
01:21:36.200
a girl on a date, there's a pretty good likelihood that there's going to be a second date.
01:21:41.060
There's a pretty good likelihood that it's going to go further.
01:21:44.040
I mean, the further back in time you go, probably 1950s, 1960s, you first date, maybe you go on
01:21:56.000
And then the third one, that's your husband today.
01:22:08.140
If the likelihood of any given date goes the distance.
01:22:13.840
Like I would say most first dates for me don't go past, I'd say 50%, I'd say about 50% of first
01:22:24.880
And so like, would you say that that's more like you should reflect and like see what
01:22:28.640
you can improve on for the next date or like, like, are we like working towards like bettering
01:22:34.600
ourselves for like a new date or are we just kind of like wallowing in like us?
01:22:42.160
Like, I mean, like, like, so you don't get a second date, you know, assumably like.
01:22:48.740
It's not necessarily that I did anything wrong.
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Maybe I did do something wrong, but I mean, women often talk about chemistry and like,
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you know, the thing is, is that, well, sorry, go ahead.
01:23:02.600
Like, I just want to know, like, so say you really like this girl, right?
01:23:09.340
Do you ever like reflect and you're like, wait, dang, like what did I do wrong?
01:23:13.100
Because obviously there's a pattern of dates not making it to the second date since, hence
01:23:21.460
So like, are you reflecting on like why these dates aren't being, you know, pushed further
01:23:26.920
or are we just kind of being like, oh, well time to go on a new date and then be like,
01:23:32.520
Are you saying that I should try to be persistent?
01:23:36.160
Because I mean, I'm asking, I'm not like a pushy guy like that, like, and that's perfectly
01:23:40.280
But I just want to know, like, are you, are you reflecting at all?
01:23:43.100
If I fuck up on a date, I'm going to be like, okay, I did this wrong.
01:23:49.220
Yeah, of course there's reflection, but I mean, sometimes it just comes down to, and sometimes
01:23:57.980
But yeah, certainly there's some degree of, you know, and sometimes it's just, you're not,
01:24:03.360
it wasn't a match and I mean, what I'll do is before I even go on a date with a girl,
01:24:08.140
I want to hop on the phone and talk for like at least 20, 30 minutes, feel it out.
01:24:12.180
Because I want to like, I've, I've done that in order to potentially avoid the whole date.
01:24:21.440
Because, you know, you can text and everyone's real fucking clever when they can have a few
01:24:26.120
seconds to think and, you know, you can, you can feel things out much better over a phone
01:24:31.580
So almost universally, I'm going to hop on the phone with a girl before I meet her in
01:24:36.980
And I've definitely opted to not go on a date with a girl that I was otherwise thinking
01:24:40.880
about going on a date with because we had a phone conversation.
01:24:43.160
I was just, just didn't, I wasn't feeling it maybe.
01:24:45.940
And it also gives them an option to opt out too.
01:24:48.440
Maybe they don't like my fucking voice, you know, whatever, whatever the fucking reason
01:24:56.060
So I'll always do a phone call before a first date.
01:24:59.140
So yeah, sometimes in person, like I'm kind of a, I'm kind of weird.
01:25:11.000
So, I mean, like, um, like I'm not super flirty on dates.
01:25:18.420
Like I'm pretty, I'm not like, bro, I'm, I'm, I'm a nerdy fucking dude.
01:25:23.380
Like I don't have game, you know, like I can, what's that?
01:25:37.280
I guess, you know, but, um, no, it's just, uh, you know, I don't know.
01:25:44.100
Like you could go up to, you can get a girl just by saying, Oh, Hey, um, yeah.
01:26:45.880
So, like, how about we go out to dinner Saturday night?
01:27:15.160
Can I, can I take three of my girlfriends with me?
01:27:22.100
Oh, so you can bring a friend and a girlfriend.
01:28:17.720
She's actually, I guess the chat's saying that you've got some game, so.
01:28:26.520
No, that was just me, like, pretending we're in a bar.
01:28:36.960
I don't think you're going to live that one down.
01:28:39.880
Okay, so let's finish up the whole first date thing.
01:28:44.900
Okay, so there's the whole, like, whoever asks should pay concept.
01:28:51.380
I mean, most of you just said the guy should pay, so.
01:28:54.380
Like, if you're going to ask me out to a specific location, like, obviously, don't ask me out to, like, a five-star restaurant if you can't afford to pay for a five-star restaurant, you know?
01:29:06.460
If there's a waiter that comes up, no food dates.
01:29:09.140
If it's drinks, I guess you could go to a restaurant and just get drinks or whatever.
01:29:12.940
If there's a waiter that comes up, you tell him ahead of time before she arrives.
01:29:20.100
Or if it's, like, a bar, there's no waiters, you go up to the bar, get your drink, sit down, and then when she arrives, go send her over to get her own drink.
01:29:32.780
If you really want to get, like, if you really want to get laid down with a girl, there's a better way to do it.
01:29:40.740
This is, like, the anti-getting laid strategies I'm talking about here.
01:29:45.460
I told the guys that you're going to lose women doing this.
01:29:57.900
But, like, I feel like you should be able to, if you invest a lot in the date, then you get a higher chance of getting on a second date.
01:30:13.100
Maybe you just haven't met, like, a girl that you actually, like...
01:30:18.520
Okay, and I need to give more reasons why I don't do it.
01:30:28.540
Don't ask me a question if you're not going to believe my answer.
01:31:03.980
Okay, let me think if I have one more question for you guys before you leave.
01:31:17.580
By the way, guys, they announced before the show that they had to leave.
01:31:21.760
So they're not, like, leaving because they're upset that I'm a...
01:32:00.360
I'm just going to put these microphones down on the floor here.
01:32:31.280
You want to have a kid without getting married?
01:32:32.420
I mean, Jade, you can't get me pregnant by the way you want to.
01:32:52.140
So you were saying that women ask out men at similar rates?
01:32:58.100
No, I will admit, like, men probably do ask out women more, but, like, it's probably, like,
01:33:04.340
I'm not as crazy of an outlier, like, as you are assuming, I think.
01:33:08.740
I would say, of all first dates in the past, let's talk modern times, right?
01:33:17.020
I'm going to say 99% of that's been initiated by men.
01:33:30.900
Even with, like, the introduction of, like, dating apps nowadays, you would think that...
01:33:38.000
Women have to do the first, actually reach out first.
01:33:43.340
I mean, but most women on Bumble just say hi or hey and then shuck the entire conversational
01:33:50.720
And I think with the introduction of dating apps, women are more inclined to reach out
01:34:02.840
Are you talking about, like, to make your point of, like, asking...
01:34:08.660
Like, are you trying to, like, make your point of, like, asking out to the location
01:34:11.520
so, like, she would pay because she asked you out?
01:34:28.620
Yeah, I think because, like, you're saying all men and, like, do we have all men here?
01:34:32.860
They've released the data from, like, Tinder and all these sites.
01:34:36.080
Like, women really don't be messaging like that.
01:34:50.280
I mean, women are just as desirous of men of finding a partner and having a relationship.
01:34:55.840
I would say nowadays it's more, like, more women are starting to be comfortable in their
01:35:05.080
I mean, you're okay with your singleness, so, like, don't be...
01:35:12.940
I mean, I don't want to, like, assume anything, but that's what I felt like you were trying
01:35:19.780
There's studies released that the demographic of people that are most likely to be on antidepressants
01:35:27.160
are women in their 40s who are single and don't have children.
01:35:33.580
Well, you said that women are more comfortable in their singleness.
01:35:41.180
Like, there's a lot of girls who are okay with...
01:35:45.160
I mean, like, yeah, but this is kind of a growing thing.
01:35:47.420
Like, nothing just happens, and then it sticks.
01:35:49.480
Like, it takes a while for it to grow and accumulate.
01:36:02.160
Here's the difference, I would say, between men and women.
01:36:04.160
When women start making money, they're strong and independent.
01:36:08.360
When men make a lot of money, they think, okay, great, I can support my family.
01:36:12.800
I mean, like, I mean, are you saying that men automatically come with families and women
01:36:22.120
No, but what I'm saying is when men get a successful career, when they start making money, they think,
01:36:31.400
When women start getting the bag and they start making money, it's often, I'm a strong,
01:36:41.160
Like, you see guys with a bunch of money, they're like, bro, I'm going to blow it on
01:36:44.180
strip clubs, a weird car for no reason, like, just doing whatever to do whatever to please
01:36:51.280
Like, I feel like that's more what it is, you know?
01:36:53.220
Like, I feel like this is more of, like, a game of bias of some sorts because it's like,
01:36:58.400
you say that women are independent once they get their money, which, okay, sure, women
01:37:02.860
can be independent, but so men get their money and then they blow it on whatever.
01:37:06.720
You know, more likely you have the men not providing for their families.
01:37:11.240
Like, I feel like that you kind of saying that is kind of a little bit, like...
01:37:16.080
I feel like it's also, like, above a certain income level, too.
01:37:18.520
I feel like if you're middle class, maybe it's, like, they're supporting their families,
01:37:21.140
but if you get above a certain income level, then, like, I feel like men are just as easily,
01:37:28.600
Honestly, I don't think, like, I feel like you have this, like, idea in your head that women
01:37:32.540
are, like, constantly trying to take advantage of men for their money.
01:37:36.400
Like, pretty leopard fox, like, I want your money, I want, I want, I want a free meal
01:37:40.780
No, I don't, I don't, I don't think that, I don't think that.
01:37:43.900
Did you have, like, something that made you kind of have a perspective towards this or...
01:37:54.580
I've had pretty, like, a lot of the women I've dated are, have been fantastic.
01:38:00.820
I've, sure, I mean, I think we've all had bad dating experiences, but, I mean, I've, maybe
01:38:07.160
I've lucked out in this, but I've heard from other men, my friends, I mean, I have friends
01:38:12.600
who've been through the fucking ringer, through divorce, through fucking brutal custody battles,
01:38:21.060
And, and, uh, there, there is a bias in the court system.
01:38:30.780
I mean, I've heard from a lot of men, and, I mean, I've had, I've had some experiences,
01:38:36.400
like, foodie call experiences, for sure, and...
01:38:39.620
But, I mean, that's a very small portion of the picture that I have of women.
01:38:46.620
In the same way that I would advise women, like, hey, screen these fucking guys out and
01:38:52.060
make sure they just, they don't want to just fucking chuck you, like, fucking screen them
01:38:56.200
If, if you want a serious relationship, like, screen these fucking guys, right?
01:39:02.320
How do you suggest that we do it without expecting some type of, like, monetary investment from
01:39:09.000
Yeah, you're not giving us any ways out of this.
01:39:11.680
You're helping, like, your half, and it's like, help us out, too, you know?
01:39:15.060
Well, okay, we're, we're hitting a whole bunch of people.
01:39:16.600
We're hitting a bunch of different topics here, so.
01:39:21.180
Let me wrap up on the whole who should date thing.
01:39:28.080
I can agree with the whole, like, whoever asks should pay thing when women ask out men,
01:39:39.280
Until then, like, women overwhelmingly do not initiate first dates, so.
01:39:49.520
I think I've kind of covered it, the whole first date thing, pretty much.
01:39:55.620
I mean, to just reiterate, though, I don't want to adhere to my traditional gender roles
01:40:05.060
So, the fact of the matter is, in 2022, you have to, why are you shaking your head?
01:40:08.760
Well, I mean, you can't say you're, like, a traditional man, right, and then say you
01:40:12.620
don't want marriage, because marriage is the standard of being traditional.
01:40:15.960
Getting married, having kids, that is the, like, that is ideal traditional.
01:40:22.180
Like, you can't call yourself traditional and be like, I don't want kids.
01:40:28.200
Well, then, so then don't say, like, you're adhering to traditional standards, because then
01:40:33.980
I'm saying, I'm not going to adhere to my expected traditional gender roles of paying
01:40:51.420
No, I really appreciate you pushing back on this.
01:40:54.820
What are your ideas of, like, a traditional woman?
01:40:56.840
Like, what would make you, like, what would a woman do to make you want to pay on the first date?
01:41:00.300
Well, so, in 2022, and this applies to both men and women, you have to assume going in that
01:41:06.820
that person that you're going on a date with is fucking at least one other person.
01:41:15.680
Every person that you go out with is having a fuck fest with seven other people all at once.
01:41:23.520
You have to weed out by going on, like, more dates, getting to know them better.
01:41:27.760
Like, that's how you weed out, and that's how you gain that trust for that person.
01:41:29.900
But it's at least, they're sleeping with at least one other person.
01:41:35.580
And part of that is because social media and dating apps.
01:41:42.300
We have, we've had some girls here on the show who go to UCSB, 19-year-old girls, right?
01:41:47.380
They got, they got NFL players, NBA players, blue check marks in their DMs.
01:41:55.460
You think a 19-year-old college guy is going to be able to compete?
01:42:02.440
I mean, I'm sure you guys have guys with blue check marks in your DMs, right?
01:42:11.420
Don't, you don't have to say who, but like, give athletes, NBA players, NFL, musicians.
01:42:19.420
I did have a guy who was in my DMs who was, he had a pretty big show on the Food Network.
01:42:32.900
Wait, who's the guy with the, who's the, who's the guy with the, uh, bleached hair?
01:42:48.340
Um, I had this, uh, social media content creator.
01:42:52.440
He makes like blogs on YouTube, but he has a wife.
01:43:05.200
You guys are, whoops, you guys are fairly young though.
01:43:10.580
But like most guys, like, they're not getting hit up by women with blue check marks in their
01:43:17.240
Most guys aren't even getting DMed to begin with.
01:43:27.080
Nothing, but like, how you have to sell yourself a little bit at least.
01:43:31.800
Like, you just, like, you guys have no updated pictures, like, nothing to show for on your
01:43:38.540
How are you expected to get, like, hit up when you, your latest picture is from, like, 2018?
01:43:44.300
As a girl, I actually think you should look at that guy and think, he's not super caught
01:43:51.800
Like, that might be a guy who's probably less inclined to be, to just hit and quit it.
01:43:59.980
So why would I bother sliding into his DMs over an Instagram app that he doesn't use?
01:44:04.040
So, okay, you're saying that you don't hit up guys, you don't DM guys because their Instagrams
01:44:12.580
No, I'm just saying hypothetically, like, of course, women who are averagely, like, more
01:44:17.120
active on Instagram are going to get more people, specifically blue check marks, in their
01:44:23.840
Instagram DMs if they're posting more pictures up to date, you know, than, like, a man who doesn't
01:44:30.740
have as much on his Instagram, of course, a woman, specifically with a blue check mark,
01:44:35.120
isn't going to, like, slide into their DMs that way.
01:44:37.560
They don't even know they exist, most likely, because they're not active on the app.
01:44:42.560
Like, guys probably are not really on their photo game as well as a lot of women are.
01:44:48.880
Maybe that's because men, they might just not care as much.
01:44:53.620
Yeah, I mean, sure, maybe guys should step it up and market themselves to be, appear
01:44:59.240
more appealing or actually, you know, show their, but what's with the fish thing?
01:45:03.740
You don't like, is that, I see a lot of girls on the dating app say, don't have a fish pick.
01:45:08.800
No, I think that's just, like, a funny example, like, especially, like, with our age group,
01:45:12.200
that's, like, men, it's just, like, a funny, it's like a joke.
01:45:19.080
Because you asked about the blue checkmark, and you said, like, men are less likely to
01:45:22.820
have blue checkmarks in their DMs, and I said, yeah, these are Instagrams are crazy.
01:45:27.100
I guess, but, like, I would say there's, okay, the girls at UCSB, right?
01:45:33.980
There's probably a bunch of dudes in their DMs who have blue checkmarks.
01:45:37.820
There's probably a very few guys at UCSB, even really attractive guys, that are getting
01:45:48.920
I'm curious, how many, I mean, you guys are kind of out there in the ether in terms
01:45:53.520
of, like, you're out there on social media, so you're probably going to get a lot of DMs
01:46:00.160
and stuff, but how often do you get DMs from guys that are, like, hitting you up, maybe
01:46:05.400
for a date, or that it's clear that there's a, they're interested in you?
01:46:14.300
Now that Instagram has this feature where it's, like, if you don't follow them, it just
01:46:18.960
Yeah, and then, like, every once in a while, I'll just go through and just, like, mass
01:46:22.080
I don't really, I don't read, I don't read my, I don't read, I don't really read those
01:46:33.260
Yeah, maybe, like, 10 to 20 a day or something.
01:46:53.000
Yeah, most guys, like, they're not getting hit up in the same way that women are getting
01:46:58.820
I've had, okay, I've had two girls in my entire life DM me.
01:47:26.540
What about the girls that you pick up in your pranks?
01:47:32.520
My philosophy with that was it's bad for business.
01:47:40.600
If they're, like, in the video and then I start dating them, I don't want them, like,
01:47:47.160
to, if I'm dating them, then they're going to come and say, take me out of the video.
01:47:54.040
I don't want to be in the video, blah, blah, blah.
01:47:55.680
So, I, my, there were maybe a couple girls that I was, like, oh, she's really cute.
01:48:02.420
But most of the girls in the videos, like, it's strictly business.
01:48:08.460
Your stuff is mostly geared for, towards, like, males.
01:48:12.840
I mean, that explains it, too, because, like, the vast majority of my audience, it's, like,
01:48:18.860
And so, if I was gay, then I'd be fucking killing it.
01:48:24.280
You can, you can, you can kill it without being gay, but just cater, like.
01:48:31.300
That are, like, not gay, but also cater to the gay male audience.
01:48:35.640
And there's definitely guys who are on social media who do YouTube, do Twitch, and they
01:48:42.140
And then, yeah, they're going to get DMs from women, but, yeah.
01:48:54.620
The other thing, you made a point that I wanted to respond to, but I forgot what it was.
01:49:10.960
I think the point I was going to make is, is that as far as women making their own money
01:49:15.800
and, like, how that plays out in a relationship, for the most part, women don't share their
01:49:22.780
resources with men the same way that men share their resources with women.
01:49:27.100
You said in marriage, if you're both bringing money to the table, then it's like a partnership,
01:49:31.560
But before it gets to marriage, you have the courtship, the relationship.
01:49:34.740
And I would say, overwhelmingly, in most men's experience, in my experience, besides the one
01:49:40.860
BPD simp girl that I had, most women really aren't spoiling men in the same way that men
01:49:48.380
Our resource is time, though, because for us, time is something that we can't get back.
01:49:53.000
So if we're going to be, if we're going to be committed to you, like really, I'm not talking
01:49:56.800
about like, you know, the girls that aren't faithful, but if we're going to be really committed
01:50:00.460
to you and we're going to like invest our time in you, then I think that is also, that's
01:50:11.180
So you're saying like giving us your youth, basically.
01:50:17.420
But speaking just like on the financial side of it, women don't really share their resources
01:50:23.700
with men the same way that men share their resources with women.
01:50:27.300
I think like, I think a healthy relationship, honestly, like I think could be like maybe
01:50:36.860
Like, I think men always do like realistically put in more in a relationship, but it's not
01:50:42.560
like once you're in the relationship, it's not as imbalanced as like the guy pays for
01:50:47.520
You know, like when the relationships I've been in, it's, it's been like maybe like the guys
01:50:51.660
pay for like when we go out, but then I get Postmates when we order in, you know, the
01:50:56.680
guys get like the airfare on the trip and then I'll get the hotel and the food and stuff.
01:51:03.920
Maybe you're a, well, I, I think for most girls, it's like that.
01:51:07.400
Cause once you're in a relationship, you don't want to take advantage of your guy.
01:51:09.880
Like you don't want to like, you don't want him to suffer financially because you're a
01:51:13.480
Again, like if you see it, see him longterm, you don't want to put a dent in his pocket.
01:51:16.880
Cause that means like, you're not gonna be able to get the house that you want.
01:51:19.620
You're not gonna be able to like, you know, go on like the nice honeymoon you want to
01:51:22.420
So like you're thinking for you guys in the longterm as well.
01:51:24.560
Um, and there's definitely a lot of women that are like that, but there are also women
01:51:30.180
that will have that expectation, even moving beyond the first date, moving into a relationship
01:51:35.500
that he's going to continue providing for everything.
01:51:44.540
I feel like it's like throughout the relationship, even if the guy is the breadwinner, the woman
01:51:48.940
like a stay at home mom or something, she's going to be like, she, she sacrifices her body.
01:51:54.540
For the kid, um, stays at home, takes care of the kid.
01:51:57.700
Like there's, there's also that part of like his life that she takes care of completely
01:52:05.140
It's just like whether or not you want to think short term or long term.
01:52:10.680
I want to ask, um, would you guys date a guy who makes less than you?
01:52:32.840
Well, you guys are in college, so I feel like at this point in your life, finances
01:52:37.440
aren't like a huge motivating factor, probably.
01:52:42.520
I mean, we're on track to be doctors, so I feel like that's like, we're okay with it.
01:52:46.880
I was just going to say, like, I want to be a pediatric cardiologist.
01:52:49.740
I want to be a plastic surgeon, so like, I'm okay with having my own finances.
01:52:53.640
Unless they're also like an engineer, they're also a doctor, like, I'm probably going to
01:52:59.880
You're going to be out earning your future partner, you think?
01:53:04.780
Like, unless they're like an engineer or a doctor, like, unless they're like the same
01:53:12.280
So you want to be a doctor and you want to be a doctor.
01:53:15.280
It's kind of, and then you guys want to be OnlyFans guys.
01:53:19.600
I mean, I'll have like different businesses, like investments and stuff like that.
01:53:22.780
Well, you guys are making good money, so I mean, I think you guys will be probably
01:53:25.560
properly set up, you know, by the time you start moving out of it, I reckon.
01:53:29.740
It's not about how much money they're making, but like, I feel like I want to be with someone
01:53:33.940
ultimately who shares the same values as me, who like, likes the same family values and
01:53:39.860
like the same values as far as like, I want to, you know, even though he's not making enough
01:53:52.840
You have to look at like his, the actions that he's taking to set himself up for the
01:53:59.660
So I will, I'll just say this as far as, so you guys are going to, you sound like very
01:54:08.080
Would you be okay being the breadwinner in your relationships?
01:54:16.180
Well, because very often, so very often what happens is when women start becoming really
01:54:26.080
successful, their potential pool of partners starts to decrease because a lot of women want
01:54:34.500
Whereas a guy who's an attorney or a doctor, he'll date the barista.
01:54:40.480
Like, for example, when you're a doctor, are you going to date a guy who works at Chick-fil-A?
01:55:01.380
Well, I mean, I guess that could be a benefit, but.
01:55:04.520
No, but all seriousness, like, yeah, I would be fine with that.
01:55:07.820
I mean, you say that now, but when you're a doctor and you're surrounded by a bunch of
01:55:13.840
I mean, yeah, you have to think about that, too.
01:55:15.360
Like, realistically, like, me meeting someone that I would stick with, like, at a Chick-fil-A,
01:55:21.800
like, the odds of that versus, like, someone I'm working with, like, every single day, like,
01:55:27.340
Like, the odds of that are, like, way different.
01:55:32.240
If I was at, like, a social, and, like, it was a bunch of men, and one happened to be
01:55:36.840
a Chick-fil-A worker, and one was a doctor, but I didn't know, and I got along with the
01:55:40.280
Chick-fil-A worker better, like, of course, like, whoever I have more chemistry with, whoever
01:55:44.200
I get along with better, whoever I see being, like, a better partner in life, like, I would,
01:55:50.440
Like, if I'm making enough to take care of both of us, like, so be it.
01:55:55.080
Would his pride let him, like, be taken care of, though?
01:55:57.540
Because I think that's the thing with, like, that makes the relationship imbalanced.
01:56:00.980
It's, like, a woman is, like, okay with being the breadwinner, but then the guy, his ego
01:56:04.480
can't let him stay at home and take care of the kids.
01:56:07.700
I mean, there's definitely guys that probably would have their ego or pride involved, but
01:56:13.100
I think it's more so the woman's just going to be, like, this guy's a fucking bum.
01:56:23.120
I mean, if I'm a doctor, like, I'm going to need someone to take care of the kids, like...
01:56:32.820
I think by the time you are in that really success...
01:56:38.900
But I do think that your pool of potential partners will shrink.
01:56:47.080
Whereas for men, their pool of potential partners increases as they become more successful
01:56:56.720
They want to date across and up socioeconomic hierarchies.
01:57:02.180
And would you say that's because of kind of, like, a power dynamic, per se?
01:57:06.260
Like, men want to date down because they want to probably entrap a, like, a girl.
01:57:17.060
And so you have a lot of, like, older guys, they, you know, scour the streets for, say,
01:57:21.780
like, us college girls who are, like, you know, they're working towards their futures
01:57:30.420
Also, I'm from Vegas, so this is pretty much big there.
01:57:37.480
But it's like, you know, financial abuse is a huge thing.
01:57:40.640
And so it's like, the power dynamic, holding financial power over someone is a huge thing
01:57:46.440
because finances pretty much push every desire that we pretty much have in this world.
01:57:54.000
So it's like, most women want to date across and up because they don't want to potentially
01:58:00.840
Because if you have your own money, there's less chances of you being financially abused.
01:58:08.660
He's going to date this 20-year-old guy, and he's 60.
01:58:13.660
You know, if anything goes wrong, she's probably going to stay with him.
01:58:19.500
It's pretty much just a huge power dynamic that people are working towards instead of,
01:58:26.320
I say true love with quotations because that's like the ideal, you feel.
01:58:33.400
So I don't even know where to begin with all that.
01:58:37.400
Okay, so there's the age gap stuff and then the power dynamic.
01:58:41.060
When I say women like to date across and up, a broke woman could want to date.
01:58:52.400
Even with her own money who's totally financially secure, she still wants to date across and up.
01:58:58.760
So even in that scenario, it's not even like a power dynamic thing.
01:59:03.120
Because, I mean, also financial abuse goes the same way.
01:59:05.360
You could be like, oh, this guy, he's asked me for money always, all the time.
01:59:09.060
And now I'm running, chasing his checks and his bills because he has no way else to pay for them.
01:59:15.220
And so now he's gotten me entangled in his debt and I'm trying to chase that off.
01:59:19.240
Wait, so is it only abusive from the man's side?
01:59:26.760
I have this young girl in a relationship and she's like, oh, can you pay off my car bill?
01:59:34.200
But it works on the upper echelon and then the lower echelon, right?
01:59:41.140
Well, I mean, the reason I asked if you were trying to frame it from it's only men that are abusing
01:59:45.820
because the two examples you gave were an older guy with a younger woman who she was broke
01:59:52.740
and he had a lot of money and he was taking care of her.
01:59:56.920
You said that that was abusive from the man's direction to the woman's.
02:00:01.680
But in the scenario you also gave, when the guy is broke, you said it was abusive for the guy
02:00:08.140
to be relying on the woman, even though that's the exact...
02:00:15.480
Like, obviously, there's gray mixed into there, too.
02:00:19.000
But those are just kind of the base models of what I was trying to explain to you
02:00:23.000
was that sometimes, you know, like, these little situations,
02:00:27.280
these hypothetical kind of questions that we kind of place upon ourselves is really...
02:00:32.140
Like, they're really hard to answer because there's different things that we need to go back and forth in.
02:00:36.240
Sorry, I don't mean to the chat to be like, oh, my God.
02:01:03.140
So with the whole age gap thing, I mean, men want to date younger women
02:01:10.720
One of them is they're more physically attractive.
02:01:14.320
So, I mean, and that applies to both men and women.
02:01:16.920
As you age, you become less physically attractive over time.
02:01:20.540
Um, men obviously care a bit more about that than women do.
02:01:29.160
It's also just evo-psych, evolutionary psychology reasons.
02:01:34.320
So, men for, men look for indicators of youth and fertility.
02:01:48.040
Because once you hit, once you hit like 35, the likelihood of you getting pregnant starts
02:01:55.480
Well, I mean, 35, once you hit 35, that's when you start getting into high-risk pregnancy
02:01:59.800
territory, that there's a greater likelihood of miscarriage, greater likelihood of birth
02:02:08.040
And then once you hit 45, the likelihood that you're going to even be able to get pregnant
02:02:13.880
So, if you're a 40-year-old guy, you're going to be looking, you're probably, if you're a
02:02:19.960
45-year-old guy, you're going to want to date a girl who's in her late 20s or early 30s.
02:02:24.800
You're not going to want to date a girl who's your age, who's 40, if you want to have kids
02:02:30.340
So, for evolutionary reasons, for biological, for biology reasons, men are attracted to
02:02:40.040
I think men are also more physical and women are more emotional, like, traditionally.
02:02:55.380
Jade, I know you're dying to come in on this one.
02:02:57.300
I got the sense that you wanted to say something.
02:03:06.800
Like, you talk about men dating down, but that's just, like, financially.
02:03:10.360
It just shows you the difference between, like, the values that men have versus women.
02:03:14.280
Like, men might date someone with, like, a lower income, but she's probably going to
02:03:19.800
So, that means that he probably values more superficial things.
02:03:22.780
Whereas women, like, we hold in high regard, like, you know, stability.
02:03:28.020
So, we want someone to match us on that level as well.
02:03:37.520
A girl who's broke and that he thinks is, like, ugly and, like, really overweight, you
02:03:43.840
So, I don't think that assessment of, like, oh, men date down, women date...
02:03:47.720
I don't think that's, like, a really fair point that you're making.
02:03:51.560
Well, I mean, it's an established societal and cultural thing that women date up.
02:04:05.420
But, like, men marry up as far as, like, okay, like, if a man dates a girl who has less
02:04:10.100
money, she makes up for that with, like, her youth, her beauty, whatever it may be.
02:04:13.820
So, it's not necessarily, like, men are dating down.
02:04:22.260
They'd rather date down socioeconomically and then have a girl who's, like, more beautiful
02:04:25.560
in their eyes than date an older woman who probably is more established in her career.
02:04:30.720
I would say, actually, well, there's definitely guys who make up for their poor looks in other
02:04:36.100
ways, money, personality, humor, confidence, et cetera.
02:04:42.520
And by the way, guys, we will get to your super chats.
02:04:44.820
We've had quite a bit of a back and forth here.
02:04:46.420
I would actually say that women are harsher judges of appearance than men are.
02:05:10.940
Yeah, you often see women with guys that are, like, definitely, like, objectively, as you
02:05:15.840
can, less attractive than them than the other way around, I would say.
02:05:19.460
I'd be seeing the prettiest girls with the craziest-looking boyfriends.
02:05:25.260
There's, like, something there, though, typically.
02:05:37.860
I mean, some women will date down because they want...
02:05:40.340
I mean, like you said, there's both men and women that do this, but it's like, they'll
02:05:43.760
date down because that person's easier to control.
02:05:49.880
I would say women are harsher judges of appearance than men are.
02:06:06.400
I mean, why would I not date a woman who's obese?
02:06:19.960
Well, most women don't want to date an obese man either.
02:06:24.820
Like, both men and women have a preference for physically fit partners.
02:06:28.580
Right, and that's when, like, society comes in.
02:06:33.240
See, my two-year relationship that I was talking about, he had a dad bod, okay?
02:06:53.460
Like, if you want to talk about some physical things, let me...
02:07:03.080
He was bringing something else to the table then.
02:07:16.080
As far as physical appearance, that's one of the top things that men care about.
02:07:40.620
Like, no hair at all, especially on the top of the road.
02:07:57.860
Also, women do not bald at the same rate that men do.
02:08:05.720
A woman can still be physically attractive with a shaved head.
02:08:08.740
I do have a preference for women who have long hair.
02:08:26.600
Well, yeah, because there's a greater likelihood that men will be bald.
02:08:30.680
But women absolutely say, I want a guy with a full head of hair.
02:08:37.900
Like, maybe when women start getting into their 30s and 40s, they're going to, like, guys start balding a bit by then.
02:08:44.160
And that's something that's out of men's control is their hair.
02:08:48.820
If they start balding, that's really out of a man's control.
02:08:51.480
So I'm going to list some physical characteristics that women care about in men that men have no control over.
02:09:11.820
Because, like, you don't know, like, how big someone else's, like, penis is on face value.
02:09:24.780
If he can make you finish in other ways, like, the penis doesn't matter.
02:09:28.640
If you're putting in the effort to make that woman finish...
02:09:30.540
That's fine, but for some girls, it's going to be a wrap.
02:09:34.200
But, like, micropenises, honestly, guys, are not that common, okay?
02:09:38.300
Like, if you have, like, a four-inch dick, that is not a micropenis.
02:09:41.400
Micropenises are a very small percentage of the population.
02:09:46.240
Like, I feel like guys focus way too much on, like, oh, my dick is small.
02:09:55.640
Yeah, if a girl likes you, she doesn't care about your dick size.
02:10:12.000
But are you saying no women care about penis size?
02:10:15.820
No, because I don't speak in, like, certainties.
02:10:17.140
But I say if you have between, like, a four-inch and, like, a seven-inch dick,
02:10:20.180
which most men fall under in that range, then you're okay.
02:10:24.300
Most men fall between, like, I think the average is, like, five.
02:10:39.140
Okay, so, like, a four-inch dick can definitely...
02:10:42.440
A four-inch dick can definitely reach the G-spot.
02:10:44.060
Because your G-spot is not more than four inches in your vagina.
02:10:49.880
Yeah, so if your dick is longer than this, then you can reach.
02:10:54.420
But, look, my philosophy on sex is the girl comes first.
02:10:59.360
But, yes, I would say a good amount of women probably have a preference for, like,
02:11:07.420
I would say a slight preference for above-average.
02:11:15.460
The point I'm saying is, is that height, penis size, penis performance,
02:11:23.720
those are things that are out of men's control.
02:11:33.880
Okay, physical size, men do have some degree of control over it.
02:11:36.940
Because you said the same thing about women, like, two minutes ago.
02:11:39.560
Like, you wouldn't date a fat woman because she can control.
02:11:45.340
I should have excluded physical size from the things that are strictly out of men's control.
02:11:50.600
But that's height, penis size, penis performance, and hair is out of...
02:12:02.740
Not without surgical intervention or drug intervention.
02:12:06.340
Are you talking about, like, different haircuts?
02:12:11.380
Some men start balding as early as, like, high school.
02:12:19.060
These are physical characteristics that men have that women judge men on that are out of their control.
02:12:26.680
What is out of your control that physically men judge you for?
02:12:45.560
So, tit size, ass size, what your labia looks like.
02:12:49.920
If you want to talk about dick, we can also talk about, like, vaginas in that way.
02:12:53.600
Labia preference is not nearly comparable to penis preference.
02:13:12.100
So, I think if, like, a guy doesn't hit those, like, physical check marks, he can make up
02:13:17.800
But if women don't hit those physical check marks, then, like, no matter how high her salary
02:13:22.640
is or no matter how funny she is, she will never be given a chance by a guy.
02:13:30.560
As far as we don't care, like, most men, we don't care about the money that you're bringing
02:13:37.580
You care about looks, which is what I'm saying.
02:13:39.240
So, if you're saying that, like, a girl cares about more things that's out of the control
02:13:43.140
for the guy physically, he can make up for that by doing other things.
02:13:47.780
Whereas, it doesn't go the same way for the girl.
02:13:50.580
But women, it's easier for women to be considered attractive than it is for men.
02:13:58.040
It should be, because that's what men care about.
02:14:00.940
And actually, they've done studies on this, and this is from a dating app.
02:14:06.180
Something like women, basically, in terms of physical appearance, women rate...
02:14:10.140
Sorry, in terms of physical appearance, men rate women on a bell curve.
02:14:33.120
You ask most women, what percentage of men that you see in day-to-day or on dating apps
02:14:42.280
What percent of men that you see day-to-day here in...
02:14:48.700
What percentage of the men that you see that you consider physically attractive?
02:15:01.660
I was going to put a little bit, like, more on that.
02:15:20.040
Like, what percentage of profiles do you swipe right on?
02:15:26.480
Probably around, like, the same area, like, 20, 30.
02:15:35.200
I mean, it also depends on what, like, your, like, little tags are per dating app, because
02:15:41.640
Like, you see everyone who has the same tags as you.
02:15:49.020
But, I mean, so the evidence is in from the dating apps.
02:15:51.600
Women are much harsher judges of appearance than men are, because you're not...
02:15:56.180
Dating apps are purely physical, especially Tinder.
02:15:59.800
Since I saw your guys' Tinder profiles, you had half a sentence.
02:16:08.140
But there's nothing in your profile that would suggest to me anything about your personality.
02:16:13.220
I think that's mainly also because Tinder is mostly a hookup app.
02:16:19.200
It's ventured more to being, like, a hookup app.
02:16:21.400
So, what you have happening on the dating apps is you have 10 or 20% of the men that
02:16:27.400
are getting all of the women, and then the other 70, 80% of the men are just ignored.
02:16:35.220
And also, it makes sense that, like, women are more selective.
02:16:37.360
If you look at it from, like, a biological standpoint, it's, like, men are, like, you spread
02:16:41.540
Women can only, from, like, a biological standpoint, have one baby.
02:16:44.460
So, like, women have to be more selective about who they choose as, you know, their potential
02:16:55.960
Well, it stands to reason, then, if women are more selective, then they're harsher judges
02:17:02.880
If women are more selective, then it would stand to reason that they're harsher judges
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They might be a harsher judge on men, but you're arguing for physical appearance.
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I think men are definitely a harsher judge of physical appearance.
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My high school sweetheart was the same height as me.
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So I would say, yeah, I'm a harsher judge of appearance than men, yeah.
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I would say my height or taller, but I'm, like, I'm not very tall, so I mean, like, that's
02:17:49.600
Um, if I had a preference, I would prefer tall guys, but I do have a track record with
02:17:59.120
They can make up for it with different things, like, they can't, because I feel like short
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guys also, they know they have to compensate in other ways.
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Like, somehow the short men always just be finding me, and...
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I mean, you say that, but these guys out here are getting curved on the dating apps,
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That's because they're dating, it's dating apps, but I feel like if they met a girl in real
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life, like, at the library or something, if they did some pickup, then it'd be easy.
02:18:34.780
Yeah, of course, when you're looking for, like, a hookup, you're going to be more selective
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in, like, appearance versus, like, if you're looking for something more serious.
02:18:41.380
I mean, yeah, it's definitely better to meet people in person, but most people are meeting
02:18:53.500
Let's do some super chats, but before that, really important question, guys.
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Wait, put it on Jade so you can see what she's doing.
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This is really the most pressing dating issue, I think.
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You know, let's say he approached you at a Trader Joe's.
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You guys organically just started a conversation, and he asks for your number, and you're totally
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I don't have to worry about you liking other bitches' pictures.
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I don't have to worry about you cheating on me, like, through social media.
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First of all, is that yours, or is that a prop one?
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I feel like guys with those kind of phones are loyal.
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Now, I would be worried, like, if I saw that you had, like, an actual phone, like, at home.
02:20:12.800
But if that's really his phone, that's amazing.
02:20:16.560
I mean, then you hear the whole, like, Android versus iPhone.
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Yeah, the only issue I would have is, like, if it's, like, long distance and, like, not being
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But, like, long distance just sucks in general.
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Android guys don't get laid as much as iPhone guys.
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Android guys are, like, more nerd types, but I like more nerd types.
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So, I think that's honestly a green flag as well.
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Like, nobody's going to be in the Trader Joe's with pulling that thing out.
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It's, like, the Motorola X9000 or some bullshit.
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Aren't those the ones that you have to have in your car to be connected to anything?
02:21:19.640
Yeah, what does the other end of, like, the wire look like?
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And if it's a landline, how did he get that there?
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I mean, if you let me, like, put that tip in your bowl.
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We're super behind on Super Chats, but we'll get to it.
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We just were in a really good back and forth there.
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I feel like Asian women and white men are as common as black men and white women.
02:22:05.480
I truly don't understand paying for OnlyFans or Prawn when there's literally limitless free
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porn on the internet should show women how desperate these men are for companionship.
02:22:17.900
Yeah, I mean, I don't think there would not be such a demand for strippers, porn, OnlyFans
02:22:32.900
Like, you shouldn't be ashamed to feel like a natural human emotion.
02:22:39.280
If OF or, like, porn isn't for you, that's good.
02:22:41.740
But, like, you shouldn't shame other people for being lonely.
02:23:08.840
If you guys are just tuning in, we uncovered...
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We went deep into the Google searches and we found this photo of Mike Davis working at
02:23:25.700
I would rather marry a Burger King Whopper than a woman.
02:23:28.280
Given the state of females nowadays, it's easier to find a black cat in a coal cellar than
02:23:45.980
What's one thing you did wrong in your last relationship and one thing your partner did
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So, one thing you did wrong in your last relationship?
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One thing I did wrong, the big thing I did wrong in my last relationship was mistake
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love for, was mistake the feelings I had for like the appreciation that he like, he
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gave, like he centered me, he made me his like whole world and I love that, that feeling
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of validation and I mistaked it for love and it didn't ultimately work out because I didn't
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One mistake that he made was that he focused way too much on me and not enough on himself.
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Is that, is that, did you, I don't know if that's you doing something wrong though.
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I'm talking like, did you slash a dude's tires?
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You did some crazy shit or you were argumentative or, you know, whatever.
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Yeah, no, I was definitely really argumentative because I felt like I could get away with
02:25:05.960
Like, he was, he was constantly like, yes, yes, yes, let me do this for you.
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And then like, I felt resentful towards him because I felt like I just tried to push his
02:25:17.760
All right, so this is my first, my first relationship.
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So, what happened was we were playing basketball one-on-one and then I found out, his friend
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told me that he cheated on me with his coworker.
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So, then during our one-on-one basketball game, I tried to hold in the anger, but I ended
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Like, I like, just like straight, like, fucked him up with my hands.
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But I didn't hit him too hard, but I just hit him enough to show that I knew that he
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Like, he was playing a little bit, like, he was checking the ball aggressively, which
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made me more aggressive and he was following me a bit.
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And then, and then that's what led up to me, like.
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A mistake I made was being really insecure, probably.
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And like, caring a lot about different girls he was talking to and like, whatever.
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Him, just like not putting in enough effort, I feel like.
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That was like the main reason I ended it was just like, if it wasn't working and we lived
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like 10 minutes away from each other, it wasn't going to work when I came to school.
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I would like kind of start fights over like, probably things that like weren't super substantial.
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Like, if he was talking to someone and I didn't know who it was.
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We got, ask the ladies to rate themselves on a scale of one to 10.
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But like, okay, if you're a 10, then you could deserve a guy who's a 10, right?
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Because like on the dating marketplace, don't you think you should have a reasonable self-assessment
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That way you can secure a guy that's like on your level, you know?
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So everyone's the equivalent, the same attractiveness?
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I mean like I wouldn't base who I'm going to go up to like on what I think.
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Like if I'm like going out to, say I'm at a party or something, okay?
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And like there's this guy that I'm attracted to.
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I'm not going to be like, oh, he's too attractive for me based on what I think I look like.
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Like I'm not going to let what I think I look like and what I think my rating should be affect how I live my life.
02:28:45.860
But let's say the guy in actuality is out of your league.
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Like he's going to fuck you and then not ever date you.
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But if you're trying to, you're not going to be able to secure a relationship from that guy if he's truly out of your league.
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If he's going to fucking dip based on what I look like, then I don't want a relationship with him.
02:29:08.820
I mean newsflash, men care about physical appearance.
02:29:14.460
I mean you're potentially setting yourself up to get hurt or screwed over.
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And it's not even, he might not even dip, but he's just going to keep you around for sex.
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He's not going to commit to you is what I'm trying to say.
02:29:28.580
I wouldn't want to commit to someone who isn't going to commit to me in that way.
02:29:30.780
Right, but he's going to keep you around just for sex.
02:29:34.460
But I'm allowing that, so who's really winning?
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If I'm allowing, because I have to have a say in the matter, it takes two to tango.
02:29:42.860
So if I'm allowing it, then obviously I'm fine with it.
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But I mean it's often women who complain that men aren't willing to commit to them.
02:30:00.720
If I'm fucking someone, and then, like, if I'm, okay, we're fucking, and that's all
02:30:08.620
Like, I don't understand how this got from me rating myself.
02:30:25.180
Because that's immediately what popped in my head when you said that.
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You think, what did you rate yourself for minor?
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What rate would you, like, say if you want to date a girl, like, what kind of rating would
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I mean, I care about more than just appearance.
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So, what physical attributes does she need to be a seven?
02:31:52.520
Like, you want me to articulate the fucking jaw structure.
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You're not going to know if she's an innie or an outie.
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I'm talking, like, you see someone walking down the street.
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You want to see their outies before you commit to them?
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If her height doesn't start with a four, she ain't the one.
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I'll date a woman who's taller than me, but I would say, overall, I have a slight preference
02:33:54.260
Well, obviously, if she's 4'11", then, like, what's the weight she's got to be in?
02:34:07.280
But, if she's, like, average height, average weight...
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Like, you're either gonna have thick or you're gonna have sub-100.
02:34:18.200
If the thighs are too big and she's on top, I can't, like...
02:34:22.680
But, if she's lighter, you shouldn't even add her, right?
02:35:10.520
Oh, you're talking like she's laying on your chest?
02:35:16.080
Yeah, if she's up, you can't do the reach around anyways.
02:35:26.160
So you're trying to, like, reach for a clit when you...
02:35:54.380
So, because little people, their weight distribution is usually, like...
02:36:02.820
Oh, I thought you were talking about how thick she is.
02:36:52.040
I know we're having fun here, but I don't want to be flippant about this.
02:36:55.360
It is unfortunate that women who do have Audis get shamed for it.
02:36:58.840
You know, you hear Arby's, roast beef, like all these terms, right?
02:37:02.680
But, and there's dudes like who like wrongly think that if a woman has an Audi, like she's
02:37:12.360
Like you don't get an Audi if you've had sex with a bunch of guys.
02:37:21.320
By the way, guys, if you did not know, Jade and Kat here have a podcast and I've curated
02:37:28.940
some of their most toxic, awful clips from their most recent episodes.
02:37:38.280
I know guys, we'll catch up on the soup chats after we watch one of the clips.
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When I see an Asian guy, when I see his past...
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Diversity in your dating history is a red flag.
02:38:32.320
They wouldn't just go for me because I'm Asian.
02:38:40.220
Oh, so they're just out here just looking at everyone like a piece of meat out here.
02:38:58.180
We don't stick to our race until the day we die.
02:39:20.800
And we have like other creators come on our show and talk about this, you know, different
02:39:27.780
Do you guys have a favorite podcast to watch like your guys'?
02:39:40.580
I just feel like, I feel like, okay, I feel like if an Asian girl, for example, goes out
02:39:44.460
with Brian and like, like tolerates being, tolerates splitting the check and stuff, I'd feel colonized
02:39:53.680
It's not because I don't feel like white guys are attractive because they are, but like,
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I feel like there's so much underrepresentation for our own race that like, like, why would
02:40:02.720
I go out with a guy who like doesn't want to invest anything in me who's just white and
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that's all he has to offer rather than being with an Asian guy who shares my same culture
02:40:12.220
who's underrepresented and will share the same beliefs I do?
02:40:24.480
Oh, um, I think she hit the, hit the point on that.
02:40:30.580
Also, I feel like a lot of people, like the, the, the hot take that Jade had, a lot
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of them are saying that Jade was like, or that we're racist.
02:40:37.780
And I don't think it really speaks to like, I don't think it was like a racist comment.
02:40:42.200
I think if anything, it's a preference, but also if anything, it spoke to Jade being a
02:40:48.460
little bit naive thinking just because a guy has a, like a, a diverse dating past, that
02:40:57.280
So I feel like if anything, it's not because Jade's racist.
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Which is why I clipped it and put it up there and asked Jade if I could, obviously, because
02:41:09.540
Well, I think you guys also ham it up a bit for your podcast, you know, but, uh, so would
02:41:15.160
you guys just question, would you guys date an Asian guy or sorry, would you date a white
02:41:21.040
Um, it, it, it really depends, but from what I'm comfortable with and from what I've dated,
02:41:35.260
Unless a really special white guy comes in my life.
02:41:46.500
Uh, I grew up with Asians, so I never really been around like white guys.
02:42:13.100
Um, I feel more comfortable with, like, Asians.
02:42:34.640
Sorry, guys, that we're taking, we took a while to, uh, get to some of these.
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That the top 12 wealthiest women in the world made their money through inheritance or divorce.
02:42:49.500
I think this goes back to what we were talking about with the, um, uh, you know, marriage,
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It's about who hurt the 80% of men who wanted to remain married and were served, were served divorce papers.
02:43:15.640
You'd have to, like, you can't expect a woman to stay in a relationship if a guy's just cheating on her, abusing her, treating her like shit.
02:43:21.920
So, like, that's kind of taken, that statistic, I think, has taken a little bit out of context.
02:43:26.620
I mean, I doubt most divorces are because of abuse or infidelity.
02:43:36.960
Also, a lot of, if children are involved, a lot of things stem from, like, if a child gets sick and, like, they're in a hospital or something like that.
02:43:45.400
Which also goes to, like, financial because that's a great financial burden.
02:43:49.240
So, I feel like it would either be, like, infidelity, finances, or, like, tragic.
02:43:53.500
Well, finances are the primary reason why there are divorces.
02:44:06.240
Like you just said, like, the older the man gets, he's going to want to seek a younger woman.
02:44:11.940
So what is a man doing with his 45-year-old wife when he has a 25-year-old down the street, you feel?
02:44:17.200
Like, you can't make one point and then disregard it in the next scene.
02:44:25.600
But, like, you just said, you have men who, biologically, as you stated, they want a younger woman.
02:44:32.500
So what is a 45-50-year-old man doing with his 45-year-old wife when he has a 25-year-old down the street?
02:44:39.780
I mean, okay, do you want me to say, like, 35, like, 19-year-old?
02:44:42.900
Like, a younger woman or a more attractive woman or a more physically fit woman or someone who piques his interest at, like, some point in time.
02:44:54.160
I mean, rates of infidelity are pretty equal between men and women.
02:44:58.360
But so what we're arguing against is that, like, you can't expect a woman to stay because, like, you feel like you want to stay in the marriage.
02:45:07.000
Like, if she feels like, for instance, like, she says that the statistic is skewed, right?
02:45:12.340
Because there could be other things that could contribute to said divorce, right?
02:45:16.240
And I'm saying, okay, as you just said, you have men who want to actively seek out younger women.
02:45:22.700
So what's not to say that the statistic of people getting divorced is because the guy wants to cheat on her or whatever infidelity situation there's going on?
02:45:34.900
Well, so, like I said, men and women cheat at pretty equivalent rates.
02:45:41.500
So as far as the younger women component is kind of irrelevant if the woman is just going to cheat with one of her coworkers who cares about the age or whatever it is of the cheating partner.
02:45:54.080
So I think infidelity is not really a huge thing.
02:46:00.280
And also you have dead bedrooms in relationships.
02:46:09.440
And so, I mean, if you want to talk about infidelity, maybe more men are likely to be pushed towards infidelity because of their wives.
02:46:27.920
But in long-term relationships, it's less exciting.
02:46:34.340
I think that there is something to be said about that.
02:46:42.800
So couples should be more communicative about, like, their wants and needs sexually.
02:46:49.000
I do think a woman has a responsibility to her husband to, like, not that she owes him sex, but to be sensitive to the fact that, like, he is, like, a sexual being and to just be, like, communicative about it.
02:46:58.520
Well, yeah, I mean, part of sex is, sorry, part of marriage is you are, and even monogamous relationships, you are the sole avenue for each other to have sex.
02:47:14.820
So if one person starts, like, their sex drive decreases, how, like, okay, if I got into a relationship with a girl and she just stopped wanting to have sex, unless there's a very good reason, like, and I think this will be for both men and women.
02:47:34.100
Like, if one partner in a relationship just loses their interest in having sex, it's probably either going to be the end of the relationship or infidelity.
02:47:43.240
And women are typically the ones that you often hear men complaining that their wives don't want to fuck them anymore.
02:47:50.200
Like, I think if you look in marriages, there's a lot of other factors specifically surrounding women as to, like, why they won't have sex with their husband.
02:48:00.540
A lot of men, or, like, typically women will kind of use sex as, like, initiative, like, incentive to, like, do things around the house.
02:48:08.540
Like, if you're not doing dishes and the woman's always doing dishes, always doing the laundry, always, like, taking care of the house, like, what makes her want to go and have sex with you later that night?
02:48:28.140
I think if you're looking in marriages, women typically will use sex as incentive for men, and if they lose their sex drive, it could be because of a man not helping out around in the house or, like, something.
02:48:45.640
That's also, turning a woman on is way more than just, like, the things you do in the bedroom.
02:48:51.240
Like, women are typically, like, more, you're going to want, you're going to see effort outside of just, like, oh, I want to get laid.
02:49:03.620
No, I'm saying typically in marriages, a lot of the times when men aren't getting laid, it's because they're not doing something.
02:49:09.840
Like, they're not helping out the woman the way she needs to, like, be it, like, emotionally or, like, around the house or something in that stance where, like, she's not in the mood at all.
02:49:22.220
Like, if I was working all day and I came home and the house is a fucking mess, I'm not going to be horny for you later.
02:49:32.600
Is this your hypothetical stay-at-home husband?
02:49:37.560
No, this is just, this is me hypothetically, like, bringing to the table an example of, like, why I think in marriages, women tend to give their husbands sex less.
02:49:49.060
Because they're not happy in the marriage, because they're not happy in the marriage, so they're not horny for them.
02:49:58.000
Yeah, they're not receiving more than just, like, sexual pleasure.
02:50:09.040
Like, women, if they're always feeling that they're doing everything around the house, if they're always, like, putting in work with the kids or, like, doing household chores and whatnot, like, obviously you're not going to want to go home.
02:50:19.060
You don't have sex with your man later, because, like, you're annoyed.
02:50:22.040
That's why you usually need to communicate, though.
02:50:24.800
Yeah, it leads back to communication, but I'm saying, like, in marriages, like, that's what I've typically heard about, seen.
02:50:29.380
Like, a lot of examples are, like, women that aren't happy with what their man is doing at home, helping her out more than just physically and sexually.
02:50:36.640
So your advice to men is they should do more chores to get laid?
02:50:44.000
That's just, like, me noticing a trend in marriage about men and women and why the woman may not be putting out for the man as much.
02:50:55.120
I mean, a man could be a fantastic partner and the woman can just not be attracted to him.
02:51:00.360
Like, that was literally just, like, one example.
02:51:03.900
Like, if I come home to a clean house, if I just worked, it's, like, the same thing with a man.
02:51:10.800
He wants, if he's working all day, he wants to come home to dinner being made.
02:51:15.180
Like, if I'm working all day and the house, I come home and the house is disgusting after working all day and being tired, like, I'm not going to want to have sex with you in a dirty house.
02:51:23.660
Like, if the house is clean, like, I'm going to be more inclined to have sex with you that night.
02:51:26.660
I was going to say that I would think, like, the most reasonable thing that makes sense to me would be that, like, the relationship is no longer, like, you're not communicating about what the other needs.
02:51:43.500
Like, in intercourse, you're supposed to be pleasuring each other.
02:51:45.340
So, say one person wants something very rough and very quick and very fast, but someone wants someone very sweet, very sensual.
02:51:51.880
And so, then, there's a disconnect in the bedroom because it's, like, you want one thing and I want the other, but we both can't match each other's expectations on that.
02:52:00.060
And so, thus, like, we have people that's, like, I don't even want to do anything with you because you don't want to do the things that I want to do.
02:52:05.920
And even if I do things you don't, like, you want me to do, you're not going to match the same energy.
02:52:11.520
I think it all comes down to her point about communication.
02:52:15.780
Like, that would be my, like, the most reasonable answer to, say, like, a dead bedroom, like you said.
02:52:23.100
I mean, men communicate often in these dead bedroom situations that they want to have sex, but.
02:52:32.460
Well, because there's also, like, you know, like, you can only, you can, you put out and then you have to also, you have to receive, too.
02:52:38.520
Like, you have to, like, you have to give and take from that.
02:52:41.860
I don't, I don't think we should assume in these dead bedroom situations that the men are necessarily doing something wrong.
02:52:52.820
Like, I'm saying both parties could be equally, like, not a good lover or what have you.
02:52:57.600
But I feel like it's just not, like, there's no communication between what both parties want.
02:53:05.400
That would be the most reasonable kind of excuse that I would have for a dead bedroom.
02:53:10.580
Like, here's, here's what I think is the cause of dead bedrooms.
02:53:20.040
When women are young, say, from, like, 18 to late 20s, they're dating the hot dudes, the guys who are really great in bed, the really attractive guys.
02:53:30.020
When it comes time to have a family and have children, they want the reliable, probably a bit dull provider.
02:53:38.760
So, they settle down, or they consider they settle for a provider, and that guy is not exciting to them the same way that the guy who's a bad boy, who's a jerk, is exciting to women.
02:53:55.680
That's why I think there's dead bedrooms in marriages.
02:53:58.360
I think that's, I think there's some truth to that, actually.
02:54:01.680
But I think women should not lower, settle, and lower their standards for someone that they think is just safe.
02:54:06.820
Because I feel like men and women both deserve a partner that they, like, value, and they hold to the highest esteem.
02:54:12.940
That's, like, the truly, like, that's a true healthy relationship.
02:54:27.840
Let's just get, I got to blast through these super chats, just because we've got quite a few.
02:54:36.580
Okay, we got Mike Davis here with the $10 soup chat.
02:54:38.560
Something wrong in the head with most women nowadays.
02:54:44.840
And also, this group of basic girls wouldn't date Brad Pitt.
02:54:56.440
Can you pull up the Mike Davis Burger King thing really quick?
02:55:03.580
By the way, if any of you are on the West, or sorry, the East Coast, he'll hook you up with a Whopper.
02:55:09.840
We got Dave on Jackson here with the $10 soup chat.
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But my thing is, the man should pay on the first date, but the woman should have zero judgment on where he chooses to take you.
02:55:17.320
Also, these women just want the man to invest first without having to do anything.
02:55:32.880
I mean, unless the guy asks, where do you want to eat?
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But if he asks me on a date and he wants to choose, I think that's perfectly reasonable.
02:55:53.580
It's really like stuffy and kind of hot in here.
02:55:59.380
Every woman who walked out of my life has been a major blessing.
02:56:03.440
If an entitled woman wants me to pay, I'll take her to one of my Burger King joints and
02:56:18.460
Can we pull up the Burger King image one more time?
02:56:27.020
But I feel like his mother probably cheated on his father.
02:56:35.100
That's like usually when guys hate women, that's why.
02:56:42.800
We got Dave on Jackson here with the $10 Soup Chat.
02:56:44.840
Most women, even if they're the ones that ask you out, will expect you to pay.
02:57:09.340
Is she's super sweet girl, but she was, I didn't know this beforehand, but I agreed to go on
02:57:26.880
And I was like, you're really sweet, but like, I'm not looking to wait.
02:57:31.500
Like, I'm not looking for a one night stand either, but I'm not, I'm not waiting till
02:57:36.940
So Michael Trillstein with the big $100 soup chat.
02:57:51.540
Um, when you coming back to California, dude, we'll get you back on the show.
02:57:56.280
We got, uh, Susc Finest with the Canadian, Canadian $10.
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Do you speak French by the way, or you're not from the French speaking?
02:58:10.040
Uh, why do you expect us to be traditional when you are not?
02:58:17.960
Um, like in the way of like, in the way of paying for the first date, I don't think it's,
02:58:26.340
I don't think, again, my rationale isn't just like based on tradition.
02:58:29.380
My rationale for guys paying on the first date is rooted in the fact that I want him
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to show some type of investment up front, because that's the best way for me to gauge
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And it doesn't have to be a big investment, just a gesture.
02:58:44.740
I want to just add to the whole who should pay on the first date thing.
02:58:48.380
I, I might have already, did I already talk about it?
02:58:55.600
Uh, something about why, can you, can you, can you pull it up?
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Oh, I think deep down rooted, I'm like an old soul.
02:59:09.660
And yeah, I think I am pretty traditional in that sense.
02:59:16.720
Um, I think that if you're pursuing a relationship, then that should just be the first thing you
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I've given a lot of reasoning, I feel like, since this was made.
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And I'm not saying that the guy's always paying a hundred percent of the time.
02:59:38.680
Um, I'm just saying, like, first date, if you're pursuing a relationship, it's not just a hookup.
02:59:43.520
It's not just friends as benefits, going out, whatever.
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Like, if you're pursuing a relationship, that's the traditional way to do it.
02:59:50.520
That's usually the way that a relationship starts.
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I mean, like, if I'm obviously a hookup, like, I'm not really going out on a date.
03:00:17.960
But, okay, if you're engaging in hookups, like, you're not a traditional woman.
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And that's fine, but you can't consider yourself a traditional woman if you're, like, hooking
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Because, like, hypothetically, I could be messing around with other guys, but when it's time
03:00:38.720
You're not, if you're sleeping with more than one guy at a time, you're not a traditional
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But if I'm looking to settle down, I become that traditional, I'm ready to settle down.
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And, like, I'm ready to have a relationship, and I'm not screwing around with, like, a bunch
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What's the most amount of men that you've seen concurrently?
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Well, to assess the degree to which you're in traditional or not traditional.
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When you're not in a relationship, what is the most amount of men that you've concurrently
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Look, I think modern problems call for modern solutions.
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The thought of giving my time, attention, resources, we're speaking about paying on the first date
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here, and intimacy to a woman who is sleeping with one or more men.
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But if I'm going on actual dates, then I'm not sleeping around with all these other men.
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So, the thought of me giving all those things to a woman who's sleeping with another man
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I mean, not totally, but I don't have like, if I'm sleeping with a girl, like I don't have
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four other girls, five other girls I'm sleeping with at the same time.
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Um, there's been periods where I've maybe had a degree of overlap, maybe between two
03:02:15.880
No, but overwhelmingly, like if I'm sleeping with a girl, I'm only sleeping with her.
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And that's not because I could, it's not because I couldn't have three or four girls
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It's because I don't, honestly, I'm going to be honest.
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It's like, it takes a lot of time to be juggling a whole bunch of girls.
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And I feel like as long as you communicate that to your partners, then there shouldn't
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I mean, like if a woman is communicating to you.
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Like if a woman is communicating to you that like.
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If a woman is like communicating to you that she's sleeping with other men, then obviously
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like you're not going to put in that effort if you want a relationship.
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But if, okay, so let's say I'm, if somehow she reveals to me, most women are not going
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to reveal that they're sleeping with other men.
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I'm not going to, I don't even want to do anything with you.
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That's completely your own personal preference.
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That's completely your own personal preference.
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I don't think anyone would like, like, no, but yeah, nobody's going to be like wanting,
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like, if I go on a date with you and you're sleeping with five other women, obviously I'm
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not going to want to send them down in a relationship with you.
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It just goes, it's all communicating what your plans are.
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Or if you're looking for a relationship, you're like, hey, I'm interested in you more than
03:03:55.220
Like, I would be looking for a relationship with you.
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And you would communicate that to the person that you're pursuing.
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And if you're not wanting that, then that's fine.
03:04:04.820
But like, what some guys will do is even, they'll still pursue, not pursue things, but
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they'll still, they'll acknowledge that a girl is sleeping with other guys.
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I don't want, like, when I say I don't want anything, I really mean I don't want anything.
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I don't want to have sex with you, even with a rubber.
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Like, I don't know, if you're not truly single, don't waste my time.
03:04:37.640
Yeah, no, I think there are women that do feel that exact same way.
03:04:40.360
But again, like, it's just what you're communicating to your partner.
03:04:43.880
If two people are fine with, like, sleeping, it's like an open relationship.
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Like, if two people are fine with sleeping around, then that's their own, like, commitment
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If they want to be completely exclusive, that's their own commitment to each other.
03:05:13.560
Did you guys end up hooking up after the show ended?
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There was a girl, like, two weeks ago that was on here.
03:06:22.400
What's something men can do on social media, dating apps, to be more attractive and get female attention?
03:06:28.900
I think putting effort into the, like, for example, on Hinge or, like, the dating bios.
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If you put a little bit of effort, actual effort into the dating bios, I think that's a turn on because that shows that you, like, put thought into it.
03:06:45.380
I think if, to really up your Instagram game, if you have one picture of you doing something you love.
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So, for example, if the guy's, like, playing poker, if he's playing basketball, like, an action picture or, like, an outdoor shot, it really gets up there.
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If fishing's something you love, but, like, not the only picture, like, from three years ago.
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So, I think, okay, this is my take on guys' social medias.
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Like, it doesn't, like, not a couple months ago.
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Like, at least just, like, in the same year, please.
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Also, just not every picture doing the same pose with your homeboys, okay?
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Because if I can't tell which one you are, that's just going to make me irritated.
03:07:55.300
I have to, or at least tag your hot friends, then.
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Something that, like, you have a hobby or an interest in.
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Because that's a great conversation starter, too.
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Like, if you want a girl to slide in your DMs, then have doing something you love.
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Or, like, if you travel, like, post some pictures of you in that place.
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And then it's like, oh, okay, you went to Italy.
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Like, let's talk about it a little bit, you know?
03:08:29.760
Yeah, a pic with you laying on the bed with your dog.
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My advice for what's something men can do on dating apps to be more attractive.
03:08:48.180
I mean, he did ask the ladies, so I don't know if you want me to weigh in.
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Okay, let me just get through these soup chats.
03:09:02.080
Dave on Jackson, thank you for the $10 soup chat.
03:09:04.080
Men ask for a lot less from women than women ask for from men.
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So, the things men do ask for carry more weight.
03:09:15.240
I think women have these long, not always, but, like, long laundry lists of things, whereas
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men, like, honestly, just loyal, be hot, don't be annoying.
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They just want to have morning head every morning when you get fed and guys are happy.
03:09:47.320
Even if you like them, even if you love them, you don't like them sleeping over?
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Actually, I did have a girlfriend that snored, like, fucking insane.
03:10:06.980
And, like, if you're sleeping next to someone, for me, I don't know if, it tends to be kind
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And I have difficulty sleeping in the same bed as someone, so.
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If I got a girl in the picture, I don't really need.
03:11:27.820
We got, we got Michael Tristin here with the $100 soup chat.
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I actually slept with the, she's in the bathroom.
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You gotta wait for this one when she comes back out.
03:12:00.280
Uh, did this 304 really say we should stay lonely?
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I hope you don't stay lonely, but there's nothing wrong with being lonely.
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See, you're, you're, oh, what's the term for it?
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It's a, it's a conflict of interest for you to say, men, it's okay to be lonely.
03:12:31.080
Michael Tristin with the, shout out to my friend, Waifu Watchers.
03:12:33.760
All his wives are from anime and will never age.
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Michael Tristin, thank you for the $10 soup chat, man.
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Had one of the girls where the ahi gal had, do you know, do you guys know what I'm talking
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Oh, so we have one, a soup chat specifically for you.
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I don't, this is, I don't even know if I should say.
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Michael Tristin, getting me in trouble over here.
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We got, Dural, thank you for the nine British pounds.
03:13:15.840
Would these ladies find it attractive for a man to cold approach them in public gym, mall,
03:13:21.380
Um, I mean, these are all kind of different environments.
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Like, gym's kind of, I feel like is a no-go, but anyways, go ahead.
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I feel like that's one of the situations where, like, superficial looks do matter the most.
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So it really depends on whether or not I find him attractive.
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But I will never, like, think less of a man for approaching me in public.
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It's like, I find it very brave, and I respect them more if they did.
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I don't mind whenever someone talks to me or something like that.
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Are you, are you full Asian or, like, half white, half?
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So would you date a half white, half Asian guy?
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I feel like, I feel like the mixed, mixed people are kind of, like, crazy, honestly.
03:14:29.340
Like, they're really fucked up, like, personality-wise, I feel.
03:14:33.200
So, so you're talking about yourself right now?
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I feel like, um, like, growing up as a child, like, I'm, I think a little differently.
03:14:44.680
I feel like mixed people have, like, a, like, they're a little, something up with them.
03:14:49.780
So I feel like in my acting school, all the mixed kids are, like, they always do the psychotic characters.
03:14:59.380
I would, I'd be open to it, but I prefer Asian.
03:15:06.860
We got Michael Trilstein here with the $10 soup chat.
03:15:16.400
Also, someone put on the MAGA hat to watch Brian squirm.
03:15:27.200
No wonder her relationship ended due to insecurity.
03:15:32.020
And that's on, it's unfortunate that she walked out right when I started reading this.
03:15:39.540
Uh, can we pull up the Burger King photo again?
03:15:44.200
What's in that bag, by the way, is it a whopper?
03:15:48.120
We got Michael Trilstein with the $10 soup chat.
03:15:50.500
With all due respect, your deep voices, your deep voice takes you down a few points.
03:15:54.620
I don't know who this is directed towards, but, uh, inborn X with the $10 soup.
03:16:05.780
Take her out with the $10 you just spent on chicken nuggets.
03:16:19.400
So, um, we got lukewarm with the $10 soup chat.
03:16:22.220
Instead of rating one to 10, should ask to rate as percentile on bell curve.
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It requires acknowledging attractiveness relative to others.
03:16:29.960
I have no idea how I would do that, but that's a good idea.
03:16:33.960
We have, uh, Leonardo no Caprio with the Canadian $10 soup chat.
03:16:40.720
Modern men have to work five times harder than their grandfathers did for women.
03:16:44.760
20 times worse than what their grandmothers were.
03:16:47.320
It's called hoflation and it's destroying Western men's desire to provide and protect,
03:16:58.780
Um, yeah, I, I do think that what men have to bring to the table, I think is a bit more
03:17:05.860
nowadays than in the past for men to be appealing in today.
03:17:12.960
Like today, I think they have to bring a lot more to the table and have their shit together
03:17:17.440
a lot more, uh, and what are they getting in return?
03:17:29.140
Michael Trilstein with the $10 soup chat roast, roast beef, roast brine, stop the cat.
03:17:39.020
Like I said, it's unfortunate that women get shamed for if they got large lady.
03:17:54.380
Honestly, they need some love walking around San Francisco.
03:17:58.480
The golden, no wonder the golden gate got layers of Jesus Christ.
03:18:04.160
Like the Asian men are throwing themselves off the golden gate bridge because they don't
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I do think Asian men are definitely struggling more when it comes to dating.
03:18:22.180
I think Asian culture is becoming more and more accepted.
03:18:27.260
I think, but I think like, I don't know, a lot of like outside their race, a lot of women
03:18:39.380
I mean, I haven't, I haven't dated one, but like, I don't know.
03:18:43.560
There's a lot of like misconceptions about men, including dick size and stuff that are
03:18:47.520
And I don't know, like, and I hope this doesn't come off like stereotypical or racist, but
03:18:54.540
I do think that like Asian culture is, for example, the divorce rate in Asian families
03:19:10.040
More, they're more likely to go to college, more likely to graduate from college, more
03:19:14.800
likely to have stable careers, less likely to be criminals.
03:19:18.500
So like, I'm, I look at that, I'm like, that's hot.
03:19:23.240
So, so it's like, what's going on or are, is it the more traditional family structure?
03:19:34.560
Why you think that there's these sort of differences between.
03:19:41.240
I think Asian men are emasculated within the context of Western culture.
03:19:45.480
Like, even our beauty standards are very different.
03:19:47.920
If you look at someone, a male who's, who's very attractive by Western beauty standards,
03:19:52.060
that's completely opposite, completely different from what's attractive in the East.
03:19:56.100
So obviously like pop culture and media, Asian men are not going to like be portrayed
03:20:02.520
They've been like the nerds, the dorks, you know?
03:20:06.820
If you go to Asia, I mean, Asian men are very in demand in Asia.
03:20:12.260
Because that's where they're, they're from, you know?
03:20:15.800
I've had a lot of male Asian friends and they've told me like, yeah, I, I struggle to find women
03:20:25.860
outside of my race that are attracted to me or that are like, so, and I think that's unfortunate,
03:20:36.980
She just rationalized women, not giving their husband the box.
03:20:45.580
Uh, Chewy is a, uh, a pet food company and online company.
03:20:55.060
So basically there's going to be a lot of cat ladies is what he's getting at.
03:21:15.680
Got Michael Trilstein here with the $10 soup chat.
03:21:21.140
Not sure who this is directed to, towards, but, uh, yeah.
03:21:26.260
Everyone was like, oh my God, she's so passive aggressive.
03:21:31.200
Well, well, I'll know someone was talking shit to Mike Davis.
03:21:35.600
Um, Michael Trilstein, thank you for the $10 soup chat.
03:21:44.320
I'd like to see you try to hit Mike right to the moon.
03:21:56.260
I thought it was because you got in a fight with your, you beat up a guy.
03:22:06.340
I just recognize that the vast majority are blood.
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Are blood sucking mosquitoes, leeches that bring no Jeep.
03:22:26.720
We're not going to marry him, but we're going to love him.
03:22:31.220
we got Michael Trilstein here with the $10 soup chat.
03:22:47.600
guys, get your last opportunity to get some super chats in because we are going to wrap here
03:22:59.040
Any final thoughts or questions if either for me or for the panel or for chat, if you want
03:24:16.760
I'm not even, we might not be talking about the same person.
03:24:22.560
Wait, so, but do you want to answer when the last time was?
03:26:14.980
I really like head, but it's not, that wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.
03:26:18.880
I'd be kind of a bit disappointed, but I mean, if the sex is still good, like, I wouldn't
03:26:25.220
need it, but if I can get, if I can get the girl I want and she's likes that, then that's
03:26:32.600
So, um, oh my God, Jesus Christ, these comments.
03:26:44.460
Sorry, that noise fucking threw me out, threw me off, guys.
03:27:36.760
Peace is like the biggest fucking thing for me.
03:27:38.840
I don't want a girl that's going to be a headache.
03:27:42.340
Do you rather have a, like a, a boring girl or a crazier girl?
03:27:47.720
I want a boring, boring, boring, boring, boring.
03:28:03.600
No, we want, we would rather err on too dull than too like crazy or exciting.
03:28:11.520
It depends if he's like an introvert or extrovert.
03:28:13.340
Cause I feel like the shy introverted men like a little spice in their life.
03:28:16.440
And like the extroverted men want like a normal girl.
03:28:20.220
So I feel like you're more of the extroverted type.
03:28:32.600
But yeah, I prefer pretty like super mellow women.
03:28:37.700
Like not to say I don't like, I mean a woman's humor is pretty low on the totem pole in terms
03:29:10.920
Wait, actually on the topic of body count since I brought it up, do you guys think body count should matter?
03:29:42.000
I want to know like why the different opinions because usually I hear about like a night.
03:29:47.720
So I want to know why you think it does matter.
03:29:52.660
Because like say you're interviewing a person and you see like a lot of jobs on their resume.
03:30:02.620
Rather if they had like one or two consistent jobs for like three to five years, I would
03:30:12.980
I prefer a guy with a lower body count because I don't know.
03:30:17.400
Because I feel like most women care less about body count.
03:30:21.860
There's definitely women that do care about it, but I feel like most women like don't
03:30:25.560
I just prefer my man to be like more traditional and have like less like girls in this work.
03:30:35.740
I'll answer why body count matters, but what's your body count?
03:30:39.220
If body count shouldn't matter, what's your body count?
03:30:44.180
Like, are you asking me that because I said it doesn't matter?
03:30:52.540
No, that's not what I'm saying, but I'm seeing if you're open with sharing your body count.
03:30:59.520
If it doesn't matter, then you should be okay sharing it.
03:31:10.260
So you're either a virgin or you've slept with 20 men by the time you're 18.
03:31:17.720
Just say, you can just say what your, your number is.
03:31:42.880
I honestly don't really know, but it's probably somewhere between like, oops, like 20, 21 to like 25.
03:32:09.680
Multiply it by three and that's the real number.
03:32:17.620
I mean, I want to wrap up here pretty soon, so I won't get into all the nitty gritty, but I'll give you a few.
03:32:26.220
The more previous relationships you've had, the more people you slept, slept with, the more likely you're going to bring baggage and or past trauma to the new relationship.
03:32:34.400
You've, you start chip as your body count starts increasing, you start chipping away your ability to pair bond with a future partner.
03:32:42.780
So your ability to fall in love, your ability to really, really bond with that person.
03:32:48.580
If you've slept with a hundred people before that, your ability, you're not going to really be able to bond with someone.
03:32:58.660
Because you're like jaded by like so many different types of people.
03:33:03.040
Like if you had sex with so many people, then it's just not as meaningful to you.
03:33:07.180
But if sex is just on a physical level, you can still adapt to you.
03:33:12.460
So if sex is purely physical to you, there's not an emotional or intimacy component?
03:33:17.200
No, sex is definitely emotional when you want it to be emotional, but I think you can definitely choose when you want it to be emotional and when you don't.
03:33:23.720
If you, like having sex with some random person is completely different than having sex with someone you're invested in emotionally.
03:33:31.440
It's a completely different type of sex and it feels completely different.
03:33:35.120
I mean, you're, you, you are sort of compartmentalizing there.
03:33:40.360
But when you start detaching intimacy from sex, when you have sex with guys that you don't care about, or when you have sex with partners that you don't care about.
03:33:48.860
And then when you are in an intimate, serious, long-term relationship, you have started to detach the degree, the value that you put on sex.
03:34:09.000
Like, is that based on what, like, are you like, is that like an actual fact or is that like your opinion?
03:34:13.900
Well, it's just like the way you view and value sex.
03:34:16.780
Because if you only have sex with people you're in long-term relationships with, and by the way, you're free to do whatever you want.
03:34:24.540
But, I mean, and they have done studies on this.
03:34:28.480
So, yeah, you, you're rewiring your brain towards short-term pleasure-seeking.
03:34:37.440
In the same way, if you've scrolled through TikTok for three hours, and then you sit down and try to read a book, good luck.
03:34:45.620
So, in the same way that if you're sleeping with a whole bunch of guys, and there's not, it's not serious, you've got a 50-50 body count.
03:34:52.920
You're not, you've detached the pair bonding, you've detached intimacy from the act.
03:35:00.780
But I think that you're still able to find intimacy.
03:35:06.540
Like, I think you're still able to find intimacy with a partner that you want to find that intimacy with.
03:35:11.720
Like, if I'm having meaningless sex with whoever I want to, which is completely fine, and that's completely my business.
03:35:17.220
And then I get in a relationship with a guy, and I'm actually, like, emotionally, like, I am interested in this guy emotionally as well.
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Then I think there's, that's intimate in my eyes.
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Like, and that brings intimacy into the bedroom, is being emotionally into it.
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I mean, if you've, if your past, your past is, you've had 30 sexual partners, none of them were relationships, they were all one-night stands, or, like, you hooked up two or three times, and now all of a sudden you want to get into a relationship with someone.
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It's just, your view on sex is just, it, you've, you've retrained your brain towards short-term pleasure-seeking.
03:35:59.660
Well, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't necessarily think that having, I don't necessarily think that having, like, non-intimate sex keeps you from having intimate sex in the future.
03:36:16.760
Yeah, I, but I do, I do, I do kind of see what you're saying about, like, maybe, like, the trauma and the, like, the trauma, like, and having baggage maybe a little bit, but I don't think, I mean, you can say that.
03:36:29.220
You can say that, sorry, but you can say that about, like, other types of trauma, too, it's like, oh, she's from, like, a bad family, and I want to be with her, because she, like, has, yeah, so I think that's, I think it's reasonable not to want to date someone who has baggage, because, like, why would you?
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If you're not willing, if you're not willing to be a good boyfriend and take on that type of responsibility, it's good for you to be honest about it.
03:36:47.380
Yeah, well, I mean, that's, on the topic of baggage, if someone's had 50 previous partners, like, the moment, my view is, like, the moment that something
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goes wrong in the relationship, like, your instinct might be, like, new dick, new answers, I'm just gonna go get another guy, so, whereas if you have fewer partners, then you're more likely to be willing to stick it out with that person.
03:37:17.660
I can see the logic behind it, but I don't, I think that's pretty general, like, it's a pretty, like, it's, like, a generalization that I don't think is, like, true, necessarily.
03:37:27.840
Well, I think what's going on with dating now, because we have so many options, that's why people aren't getting into relationships, there's always that shine, that other shiny object over there, the, someone better is just a swipe away, so, I mean, outside of sex, you have, people just have so many options, so, I don't know.
03:37:47.500
Yeah, that's why people are just not committing, so, I'll give you a few more, I'm trying to.
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I don't, I don't, I don't share that, because I think body count matters, that's why I don't, I don't share it.
03:38:20.840
Why, why do you say that, why do you think that?
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I feel like you, like, you have a lot of game, you can, like, talk really well, and you do your pickup stuff, so.
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I mean, you, you do, like, the date thing, and, like, 50%, like, it's a numbers game for you.
03:38:41.560
Wait, Eric, can you pull something up, just to, so I can show, uh, you're going to have to open up the folder.
03:38:50.080
Eric, and guys, we're going to wrap in five minutes here.
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Um, I, I think, I think your body count's, like, 50.
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I don't know, never mind, I'm just a fucking nerd.
03:39:19.440
Okay, we're going to move on from the body count thing.
03:39:22.280
I do want to react to more, can we get you guys back on the show?
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Because I want to react to the other videos, but we've gone really long, so.
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Okay, we got, yo, Alex Mack, thank you for the $10 soup chat.
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Um, see, that's, I feel like that's the difference between men and women, is, like,
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Okay, Joe Proper, thank you for the $10 soup chat.
03:40:16.920
Okay, you're probably going to have to hit her up, my friend.
03:40:18.880
But, uh, her DMs are open, and her OnlyFans, uh, is there a coupon?
03:40:33.860
Uh, I would like to bring him on more frequently, but, uh, Chase has his own business.
03:40:38.800
Um, I think he's, he'd be a great addition, but, uh, I don't, and me and Chase disagree
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Um, so, potentially, potentially, but I, I think he has his own business going on,
03:41:09.140
Uh, can you pull up the, let me see if I can get Dave Ons here really quick.
03:41:15.280
I might have to boost, add the Asians as co-hosts.
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Let me grab this last soup chat here from our boy.
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Dave Onn Jackson, thank you for the $10 soup chat.
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Body count for me matters because if it's high, that means you have a habit of putting yourself
03:42:16.960
Um, let's do one more from, from, uh, the Girls Gone Wild podcast.
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I don't want to play basketball with you anymore.
03:42:46.960
I mean, he's just, he's like a very tall Asian guy, like regular.
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Can we get some RIPs in the chat for the six, four Asian Chad pharmacist?
03:43:12.000
Um, so just curious, like what, when you say flop, is that flake?
03:43:29.540
She's like, she's very, she's not the anti-simp.
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But also he was like trying to like feed you, like it was very clear that he was just trying
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to like get you like wasted and like, it wasn't, it was creepy.
03:43:58.540
I mean, he could, he could have someone else that wants him for his height, you know,
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Um, I want to give a big thank you for tuning in tonight, guys.
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I want to give a big thank you to the wonderful panel.
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Sorry that we went a little bit late here, guys.
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And, and, uh, I really appreciate we had some good back and forth there guys.
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You could have been doing anything else, but you were here with me.
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