Dating Talk #72
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4 hours and 56 minutes
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214.27151
Hate Speech Sentences
321
Summary
In this episode of the Whatever, Kiki and Bryony are joined by special guest RoloTomasi as they talk about their favorite WWI uniforms and what they look like on the streets of NYC. They also talk about how to make your own WWI uniform, and what to wear to WWI.
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Check it out, guys. Okay, without further ado, after that thoroughly long-winded introduction
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as usual, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So please, tell us your name, age,
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and occupation. Go ahead. My name is Avery. I'm 28 and my occupation is OnlyFans.
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Welcome back. My name is Farha. I'm 24 years old and I'm a TikToker and OnlyFans creator.
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Okay. I'm Nikki. I'm 18 and I work at a warehouse. I'm Rosie and I'm 19 and I work at a Mexican restaurant.
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My name is Ali. I'm 20 years old and I am a physical therapy aide as well as a kinesiology
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major at Cal State San Marcos. I'm Nev. I'm 20. This is my business card. It's bone and the lettering
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is silly and real. I love something called that. I work at PetSmart and yeah. Oh, and I'm majoring
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in law. You're what? Majoring in law. By the way, you're way too far from the microphone so they probably
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didn't hear. Eric, can you pull up the chat? We need to do, something's dropping. How's
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the audio on her? Could you guys hear her? She was really far from the microphone. Yeah,
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you can scoot the microphone a little closer towards you. All right, I'll get closer. Yeah,
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do it one more time here. And while you're at it, since you're co-splaying as Patrick Bateman
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from American Psycho, why don't you give us the whole monologue? I don't have the whole monologue,
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but you guys ever hear of Huey Lewis and the News? Oh, continue. No, dude, I don't know. That's
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it. That's all you got? I know that like, do you like Huey Lewis and the News? I like Huey
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Lewis and the News. Their early work was a little too. Which album would you like? New Wave for
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my taste. New Wave for my taste. Hey, Paul. That's my favorite part. Where's your axe? Okay. I can't
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bring an axe. This is California. Is that, is that actually a? Dude, yeah, dead ass. Look, and it
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is silly and real. It is full. Is that actually a business card though? Yeah, it is. That's my
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vision's dog shit here. Look at, I don't remember this part. Okay, cool. I'll keep
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that. You go to UCSB, right? No, I don't. Oh. I go to CC. Oh, what do you study there? I'm
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studying administration of justice, which is basically a precursor to law. Okay, very
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cool. What about you? My name is Aspen. I'm 27 years old. I'm an ER nurse, and then I work
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at a pro-life clinic. Okay. My name is Kylie McGehee. I'm 21. I do modeling, but mainly I am
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Michael Sartain's full-time girlfriend and cat mom. Okay, cool. Apparently, I'm the mystery guest.
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I don't know if I'm Sneeko or Destiny, but surprise bitches, I'm Mia Khalifa. What's up?
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No, I'm Michael Sartain, and I am a performance coach, and I host the Michael Sartain podcast.
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What's age? Oh, I'm 45. Oh, wow. You look, I thought you were younger. Yeah. I thought
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you were, and did you, sorry, Kylie, did you say your age? 21, yeah. 21? Mm-hmm. You're
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21? Mm-hmm. Really? Mm-hmm. Okay, okay. Justin. Justin Waller, construction, real estate,
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37. All right. Oh, Rolo Tomasi, author of the Irrational Mail series of books, and just
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turned 55. Okay. Sweet. All right. We're going to go around the table once more. So, what's
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your current relationship status? Are you single, friends with benefits, talking state, situation
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ship, relationship, harem, and longest, what's your longest relationship? Concubine. Go ahead.
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Uh, I'm so single, and I, my longest relationship was four years. I'm single, and my longest and
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only relationship was three years. Oh, my. My longest relationship was four months, and I'm
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single. How did you guys do it? How did you do it? How did you do it? How do you wake up and
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see the same person, like, every day, and be like, wow, like, wow, how? Um, well, I'm single,
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but I am talking to someone, uh, in my longest relationship, well, situation ship was seven
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months. A little closer to the mic. My longest situation ship was seven months. Can I hear
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me? Longest situation ship. Situationship. Was seven months. Yes. A seven-month situation ship.
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Okay. Go ahead. I'm in a relationship, and my longest relationship was about two and a
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half years. Okay. Um, I'm exclusive with someone right now, and my longest relationship was two
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years. Um, my longest relationship was probably longer than four years, but I don't know if
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it was five. It was on and off a lot. Current relationship status? Single. Single. And I've
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been single for, like, six years. Been single for six years. Okay, we'll talk about that
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in a sec. Uh, what? I'm in a relationship, and the ones before that didn't matter. With
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the guy next to you. I forgot about him. Okay. Uh, and I, I suppose, Michael, it's the same
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for you. Yeah, yeah, I'm in a relationship. I think my last relationship was, like, three
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and a half years. Okay. Yep. And, uh, Justin, what's your current, uh, relationship status?
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Wouldn't you like to know? And, uh, seven years. Longest is seven years. Is that your
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current? Wouldn't you like to know, or? Not my current. Wouldn't you like to know? Okay.
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Do you have a couple girlfriends, or do you keep it a mystery, or what? I keep it a mystery.
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Okay. All right. Man of mystery. Okay. And, uh, Rolo, what about you? I, uh, despite popular
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opinion, and, uh, contrary to that belief, I've been married for coming up on 27 years
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now. Married for 27? Yeah, closed on her end, closed on my end. Okay. I think it's
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going to make a comeback at some point. Closed, closed on both ends. Okay, got it. So no spinning
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plates. No. No plate spinning. Okay. Got it, got it, got it. Okay, cool. Um, so, I, I just
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wanted to address a couple things here. Just, uh, Aspen, right? Yep. You said you've been
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single for six years. Yeah. What did you tell me in your Instagram message?
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You said that nobody's caught your eye. Was that it? Yeah, there's been one. Closer
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to the mic, please. There's been one person in probably close to six years that I thought
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there would be, like, a chance with. Can you elaborate a little bit? Um, yeah. I mean,
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I feel like there hasn't been any guys approaching me. There's been nobody that I felt like was really
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trying to be in a relationship with me. I'm not on the dating apps. Um, I don't want to be
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on the dating apps. They've, I have been on them before, but they were just depressing
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and I hated it. And then, um, I, somebody reached out to me and I talked to him for
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a little bit and then he said to me, I can't find anything wrong with you. That's what he
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said to me. I can't find anything wrong with you. And then it was, he didn't want to hold
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me back type of thing. That was the one guy in the six years that I actually, like, had
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feelings for. And so what you, how many, do you guys went on dates or? Yeah, we hung out. Um, we
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went, what's the period of time that you guys spent together? Um, probably like three or four
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months. Okay. Yeah. That's a somewhat decent amount of time. Yeah. It's longer than some
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people's relationships and it wasn't, but it wasn't a relationship. It was never like official,
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but it was like, we were talking consistently and I enjoyed it. And it was like, um, I was like
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growing feelings for this guy. And then actually what happened was I, he went out of town and I took
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his mom out to lunch and I was like, I'm gonna have your mom tell me everything about you that
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you haven't told me. And then that was like too much for him. Cause he was in a relationship for like
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a long time. And, uh, anyways, that's like that kind of, I think it was moving
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too fast for him. And so. Okay. So you, you've been single basically for six years. You say
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nobody's caught your eye. So there's been no, no men that have showed interest in you or just
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of the men that have shown interest. Like, like I don't, I don't get messages from people. I've
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had a few guys, nothing in person. Well, I work in the ER and so there's like heads just like
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trying to hit on you while they're getting resuscitated. Oh yeah, that happens. That's okay.
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Yeah. Old guys, whatever. Like they make comments and whatever, but you know, I'm there to do
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my job. Paramedics? Nope. Not one, not one firefighter, not one paramedic. No, I'm serious.
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If you were attracted to him, you would give him your number at work. If I was attracted
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to him? Yeah. Yeah, I would. But they didn't ask. They didn't, they didn't follow me on Instagram.
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You said you were there for your job, but if the right guy came in, you'd give him your
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number, right? Oh yeah. Yeah, definitely. So I'm just waiting for that to happen. So going
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forward, how do you want to like meet a guy? Like, do you want to meet him by like complete
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accident? Like. I don't care how it is. I, every time I go on the dating apps, I'll spend
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like three days on it, meet a, like, you know, match with people, which it's hard for me to
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swipe right on somebody, but I don't, I don't think that they're serious. I don't, you know,
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at least the guys that I match with aren't serious. So who, like, what do you see like in
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a guy? Like, what do you want? What do I want in a guy? Um, uh, all right, guys, let's
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talk about this. Um, I love how the girl with the four month ever relationship is going to
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fix it for you. Please do. A lot of people have types and a lot of things like work for
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other people and it don't work for other people. No, for sure. Run it. Um, he has to love the
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office. It's like a priority for me. Um, I love God. What? Hold on. Go ahead. The
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first thing I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Oh, your office. Show the office. Yeah.
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I want him to love the office. I want him to love the office. Michael Scott. Yeah. Um,
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I mean, if he doesn't, he's a psychopath, obviously. So I have some people that agree
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with me. That's like a, Oh, she needs some. What? Wait, what else? What else does you
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have to have? What's the criteria? Yeah. Um, the criteria, um, I need somebody that loves
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God and takes that seriously. And, um, that's really, okay. And then, okay. Like going to
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church every day, like Sunday. For me, it's not about church. It's about like a spiritual
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connection that he has with God. That's what it is for me. A relationship with
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God. And it doesn't matter what religion, if he's Hindu and you're Catholic. Yeah.
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He needs to love the Bible. Okay. So yeah, we have to specify. Okay. Yeah. Um, that's
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what I want. And can't be a Buddhist. No. Hindu. No, no. I see. Yeah. So, um, yeah,
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that's what I want. Are you waiting until marriage? I am now. Huh? She is now. She's
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underformed. To have sex. Yeah. I don't want to have any kind of sexual
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relationship with anybody before my marriage. Okay. Um, but you have had sex
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before because you said you are now. Okay. Yeah. Do you think that's going to
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make it harder to find someone who's willing, like willing to wait? No. What
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is it about now? Do I think someone that is willing to wait? Well, I think that's
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going to help me weed people out. Well, I mean, it's, I mean, clearly it's
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working. Oh, so I should go sleep around. No, no, no. I'm not saying you should. I'm
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just saying that that's going to definitely filter out. Yeah. And that's
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something that I take seriously. And I think that it has filtered a lot of
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people out. Like I don't, that's not a boundary that. Why are you doing it now
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and you were before? No. You don't tell him on the first date that you're not going to
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I wouldn't even naturally God comes up in conversations that I have because it's
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such a personal part of my life, but it's never like, are you a Christian?
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Not your religious conviction. The fact that you will not be partaking in sexual
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intercourse, no matter how well the date goes. No, I don't, no, I don't start off
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with that. At what point do you inform the guy that that's the case? Um, maybe like
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the second or second date. Like, yeah, do you really believe her? Uh, I'm just, I'm,
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you know, your honor, counselor, I'm just trying to, I don't know. I don't know. I don't
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think you're actively lying. I think that if he sat in front of you and you like really
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had strong feelings for him, you would do it for sure. Yeah. Yeah, you would, especially
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because it's going to take that kind of dude for you to want to marry him anyway. Like
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he's going to be bad boy. He's not going to be like some punk that's like, Oh yeah,
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let's read the Bible. Well then again, like it's not like, yeah, exactly. Exactly. We'll
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cross the bridge when it comes. Yeah. You'll cross it hard. What's that? Do you, you want
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to find out the hard way or you want to find out before marriage? Find out what? Like
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if he's really good in bed. If what? If he's good in bed, that's what she does. Oh, I'm
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not worried about that. You're not worried about that? No, I'm not worried about that.
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Why the fuck would someone be worried about whether or not someone's good in bed? That
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doesn't really, like, like you should judge people based on the content of their character,
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not whether or not their dick works. Oh, that's right. I'm not saying it's just. Is that
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something, is that something that you take like really seriously? Like they have to be
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good in bed and like, it has to be the first time. If he's not good in bed the first night,
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then you're just going to hold on just a sec. Mike Davis donated $200. There we go. Michael
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Sartain is the type of dude to steal your watch and help you look for it. It's a seeking
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arrangements paid actor. Great to see Waller, one of the brightest based minds walking the
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planet. Send regards to take for me. Yo, Mike Davis, thank you for the big $200 donation,
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man. Thank you so much. By the way, if anybody's curious, Eric, could you swap the angle? This
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is Mike Davis here. We have, he's like one of our longtime supporters. So we have a photo
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of him in the studio. That's him in his Burger King outfit. He owns like 300 Burger Kings on
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the East Coast. So thank you for tuning in tonight. Michael, do you have a response to
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Oh no. Kylie, babe, you're a paid actor. Did you know that? We're not in a relationship.
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None of this is real. Wow. I guess it must be difficult for him to deal with that. Where's
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my money? Where is it, babe? Where's the paycheck? I'll be sure to tell Tate hello and I still
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have my watch so far. Yeah, still have it. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I just wrote Tate
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right before this. We started this show. So yeah, we'll say, we'll say what's up to him for
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Mike and I'll stop by Burger King for you. Wait a minute. 300 Burger Kings? That's a bad boy
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though. That's impressive. Yeah. Yeah. Low key. Can I have a crown? Can you ask him
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for a crown? I'm going to be flying soon. I want the Burger King crown. Isn't there
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like 300 Burger Kings being shut down though? Like around the US? Which one? The crown?
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Or no. I think so, right? Specifically the Burger King crown. I'm going to be going on a
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flight soon. So are you like, are you looking for guys at Bible study or are you still looking
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for them on Tinder? Because you mentioned Tinder just a little while ago. I was on Tinder and
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I'm like, I'm looking for him anywhere. He can show up anywhere. Like when I would spend the time
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on Tinder. Tinder's where you default to or? When I'm sad. I'm like, man, like nothing's happening.
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So I go on there, create my little profile, you know, get, get a little attention. And then I'm
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like, this is not how it's going to happen. Like it's not going to be on Tinder. It's not going to be on Tinder.
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Like besides the apps, like have you ever like walked up to somebody and been like, Hey, like,
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I think you're cute. Like this and this and that. Like, have you ever tried that? Or do you, are you
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afraid of that? I think that I'm just naturally friendly and outgoing. I'm not going to go up
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and say like, Hey, I would say, Hey, we, we should hang out sometime, but I would never say,
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here's my number. You should call me. So you're not a direct person. So you're an indirect person.
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Uh, sure. You have a question? Yeah, I do. I do. Um, okay. I was in the bathroom for this. So maybe
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I'm wrong, but maybe instead of Tinder, you said like Christianity. Oh, Christian mingle. Yeah. I'm
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not. No, no, no, no. Why would you not do Christian mingle? That was where the fucking
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nerds are. I'm just curious. No, I'm just curious. What is your rationale? He's not wrong, but I'm
00:21:12.240
curious. Oh gosh, man. This is going to, like, do you not see the, the, the, the corner you've painted
00:21:18.420
yourself into? I painted myself in a corner. Good. This is good. Let's help me.
00:21:21.560
Okay. Look, but he's helping you. So why would you not choose Christian mingle? I'm just
00:21:26.820
curious. I think, so my brother actually got married to his wife on Tinder and my, I have
00:21:35.060
friends. I know other people that I've like had success on Tinder. A lot of girls I know
00:21:39.020
like really like hinge and, um, Bumble. I know they don't really like Bumble. Okay. Listen.
00:21:45.840
Okay. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. So I was in the bathroom, but instead of going on Tinder, why don't
00:21:51.260
you just, if Christian, Christianity is something you value, why don't you just go to a church,
00:21:55.720
find a good man in the South? I don't know. Go to a church to find someone that you'll
00:21:58.820
like. Justin? I don't know. Or. Or. Okay. I don't know. Or. I feel like for this. You
00:22:04.760
can focus on yourself. No, I feel like for this, like she wants somebody who's also going to
00:22:08.900
like kind of match her in like other areas as well. So she doesn't want somebody like,
00:22:13.860
it's just like, Oh, Christianity, Christianity. Right. But it's been, but she also wants somebody
00:22:17.480
to like match her with like the other things that she does as well. Like what else do you
00:22:20.280
like to do? Well, no, listen, listen. Right. But it's been six years. I don't think she can
00:22:25.260
be that picky at this point. You know? 27. What do you mean by that? 27. I know. I'm running
00:22:29.720
out of time. Yeah. You're just getting into the epiphany phase as well. Well, no, I think she should
00:22:31.900
put her foot in the door or whatever and then experiment maybe with people depending
00:22:35.340
on what she likes. She's going to do things the right way, right? She doesn't need to
00:22:37.700
do anything. Yeah. She doesn't need to do anything. So what's changed between the time you were
00:22:42.740
like 23 and like 27 now? Like why is this now a sudden change for you? Well, I've been
00:22:48.180
single for so long and I'm like. How long is long? I was probably 21 or 22 when I, when I
00:22:54.840
broke up, when the like things ended, I went to nursing school and then. Have there been
00:22:58.420
guys between then and now? There's been one. One that I had. Well, a relationship
00:23:02.900
wise, but like, I mean, like people reaching out to me? One night stands, anything like
00:23:06.460
that? No. No. No. No. Even all that time on Tinder? You've never done one night stands.
00:23:11.300
No, I've never done a one night stand. I would never do that. Good. Ever. Ever. Have
00:23:17.660
you tried Christian Mingle? So why do you think? Okay. He wanted to ask me. He wanted to ask me
00:23:21.260
about that. I haven't done Christian Mingle because I. Farmers only? No. Should I try
00:23:31.000
that? It's worth a shot at this point. I'm just kidding. I don't want, like first off,
00:23:35.800
I don't really. One sec, one sec. We're, we're giving you a C, two C boosters just cause
00:23:40.160
to bump you up a little bit. Here, just pass it to her if you can. Ew. Me? Yeah. Bro.
00:23:44.980
You need a phone book. You're too short. Bro, what the fuck you mean? I'm 6'5". Clearly.
00:23:49.460
It still looks like she's sitting down. There we go. Okay, cool. Christian Mingle.
00:23:54.320
I'm sort of melting into the seat now. So are we trying to fix this problem for you? Yeah,
00:23:58.520
let's do it. Okay, cool. You don't know what the fuck you want. So let's start right there.
00:24:01.780
Oh, okay. All right. You clearly don't know what you want. You're not going to know until
00:24:03.980
it slaps you in the face. That's good. That can happen. I think that you should date guys
00:24:06.740
and run around telling them you're not going to sleep with them. It's probably not going
00:24:09.700
to help, but. Because I do agree with her that sex is going to matter to you. You say
00:24:14.080
it doesn't matter, but like. No, I didn't say it didn't matter to me. Yeah, well. No, she. You looked me in the
00:24:19.360
issue. And you told me. And I said. Right. It didn't matter. I said. She said. She said
00:24:23.780
it. Why would anybody. It would not matter. She said it. Yeah, it matters. I think that
00:24:27.060
that's really. I think that that's really important. Jesus Christ. Why do you think
00:24:31.320
that's the. Why it doesn't matter? I don't even know what the fuck I said 30 seconds ago.
00:24:34.700
Speaking of the mic. Okay. Okay. Okay. What did I say? What did I say? You said that sex
00:24:38.140
doesn't matter because you're going to judge based on character. You should base. Yeah. You should
00:24:41.740
judge based on character. Like what makes you say that you're good at sex? You know? Well, my thing is like,
00:24:47.120
like, yeah, sure. Sexuality has a lot to do with. Well, somewhat to do with compatibility,
00:24:53.080
but you should really base someone like base your judgments on whether or not someone's
00:24:57.520
good. You know, whether or not someone makes you laugh, whether or not blah, blah, blah,
00:25:00.840
blah, blah, blah. I don't know. Maybe you're not too familiar with that. Maybe I'm not too
00:25:03.880
familiar with that. Perfect is boring. I want to say it later. People in relationships because
00:25:09.340
they're attracted, not because they're perfect. My thing is when she had first when she had
00:25:12.920
first dated that, she didn't say that all she was looking for was sex. She didn't say
00:25:18.000
that. She was just saying that if he, like, for example, if he has a two-inch shirt and
00:25:23.040
it's not pleasuring her and it's like, come on now. Here we go. All right. Now we're off
00:25:27.060
to the right. But, but, but, but look, look, but, but look, look, if he had money, you guys
00:25:31.000
would be all over him, wouldn't you? No. Okay. But would you? No. No. Okay. Then why are you
00:25:34.960
going to know why? You want to know why? You know what I mean? Because I make my own money and
00:25:38.200
I don't need a guy to be there in my life when I, like, what? Justin, what do you think
00:25:43.580
of that? Which is why you'll be alone the rest of your life. I know, but you know what?
00:25:46.680
No, that's not true. Straight, straight into the mic, please. You want to know why? Because
00:25:50.840
I need a guy that I know will have my back. Just like some kind of Bonnie and Clyde thing.
00:25:56.340
You know, he has my back. I have his back. How do you making a bunch of money help him have
00:26:01.000
your back? Yes, because he'd be running his own thing. I'd be doing my own thing and I'd be doing
00:26:05.120
just like a 50-50 payment. So why does he need you? And then why are you competing
00:26:09.120
with your man? Okay, you want to know why he needs me? Because a lot of people, a lot
00:26:12.080
of people feel like, you know, there's always like that childhood side in you that you don't
00:26:16.040
feel like you've fulfilled enough, you know? And if you have enough money, you could fill
00:26:20.040
that in. And a lot of rich people say they have too much money. Totally. Which is the problem.
00:26:23.460
But how does that make you attractive to a man who would then want to be with you? Do you
00:26:28.060
understand the problem? Well, I don't need to be attractive to a man because
00:26:31.320
why would you not? Why would you not need to be attractive to a man? It does help. But
00:26:36.480
then again, I've had so many exes that told me that I'm ugly, that I've told that I've
00:26:41.000
like, I have been the ugly best friend where my best friend has been kicking up every single
00:26:45.620
guy that I thought was cute. And I was sitting on the side and I was jealous. You know why?
00:26:49.000
Because I was ugly. Because I fixed that. You can change your appearance and you can change
00:26:53.840
how you feel. Your self-confidence and you wear it, people would like that. You wear it on
00:26:58.760
your shoulder and your sleeve. Like, yeah, I'm that self-confident person. Then what do
00:27:10.760
Like, I mean, yeah, I have been cheating on. I have been the side bitch. I have been the
00:27:14.520
main bitch. I have been the bitch that you've cheated on me with to make somebody else jealous.
00:27:19.200
I've been through it all. But, you know, sleeping with a guy at the end of the day, you know,
00:27:24.760
he doesn't care what you look like. I have been left for a prettier girl.
00:27:28.420
Which is why I'm not just going to sleep with them.
00:27:30.420
I have been left for an ugly what? But you know what? At the end of the day, I moved on
00:27:33.520
my own. I did my own thing and I kept moving forward. And I made my own money and I still,
00:27:37.760
like, what? I'm not. Like, I make my own money and they always come back to me.
00:27:42.200
Going back to what you were saying, or one of you, you said, how does money make you attractive,
00:27:45.940
right? So, if you're a successful person, right? Are you really going to date somebody who
00:27:52.400
is like, I'm not saying below you. Are you talking about a man? Yes. A man would date
00:27:56.300
a woman who makes no money. Yes. A man does not care. All three of us in unison. You can
00:28:00.000
be a sandwich artist at Subway and that doesn't matter. All of us, we do not care because your
00:28:03.740
money is your money and our money is our money. See, that's for you guys. People my age, I
00:28:09.660
have met guys that they don't want to do that. They want to date. If you find a guy that cares
00:28:14.940
about how much money you make, you should leave the date immediately. Exactly. And that's what I
00:28:18.540
have done. But, like, all the guys that I have met, that I have talked to, they care about
00:28:21.940
the type of stuff. Those are fucking bombs. You know what? As a female, I can't even
00:28:25.440
imagine. Because their trophy, what's it called, participation trophy generation is not interested
00:28:33.980
in being successful. So, they think it's okay to live like that as a man to where they're
00:28:39.360
going to, like, I'm concerned with how much money she makes. I don't, I've dated women
00:28:43.000
that make $300,000 a year and women that make nothing. It doesn't make any difference to
00:28:46.300
me. It matters the attraction levels that I feel and the femininity that I get and the loyalty
00:28:50.440
that I get and the relationship that I get. Not how much money she makes. On the other
00:28:54.580
end, have women judged me based on my level of success, ambition, and how much money I
00:28:58.440
make? I'm sure they have. All the motherfucking times. That's all they do. See, for me, for
00:29:02.840
me, because I have dated so many guys that, for example, my last situationship that I was
00:29:07.300
with for seven months. For seven months, I spent 5K on him, okay? So, because I have already
00:29:12.120
been through that, I kind of, I know, it's terrible. I gave her that weight. I don't
00:29:16.260
know. I told her her man was not spending money on situationships. You make a down payment?
00:29:21.360
No, absolutely. I reality checked her. I actually, I reality checked her. I told her every single
00:29:26.260
week that she kept working her 9 to 5 job, she was spending half of that on her boyfriend.
00:29:31.540
Her boyfriend would drive all the way over. Sounds like somebody has some good dick down.
00:29:34.120
would drive all the way over to her, and then she would pay for everything. And then he
00:29:40.120
would still use her. Okay, but back to what I was saying. Explain use her. Oh, we're not,
00:29:45.460
we're not going to get to that. Knock it out with her? Okay, okay. But my thing is, my thing
00:29:48.840
is, because I have already been through that, I kind of want somebody at my level or higher
00:29:53.060
where I can know that if we go on a date, if we go on a date, I can know that he can pay
00:29:58.200
for his half, or he can pay for mine, and we can alternate. Like, of course, I'm going
00:30:01.440
to pay for my side, too. Don't date dudes that don't take the whole bill. Like, don't
00:30:04.740
date a man that will not, like, I refuse. Well, I feel like relationships should be
00:30:07.960
50-50. If me and you, hypothetically, went on a date, there's no fucking way on earth
00:30:11.520
you would pay the bill. At all. Like, ever. Ever. Because it's a man's job, and that's
00:30:16.040
okay. And it's okay. Why do you think it's a man's job? It is a man's job. You just said
00:30:19.960
you want a guy that's at your level or higher. At my level or higher. No, higher, higher.
00:30:24.280
You want to look up to him, because if you don't look up to him, you think y'all are equals,
00:30:27.140
you're going to leave him. Okay, but at the same time, that would be hypocritical, because like, for you
00:30:28.920
guys, you guys wouldn't care if the girl that you guys are dating has, like, a smaller amount
00:30:33.780
of money, right? Nobody cares. Yes, of course. You guys wouldn't care, but bro. If you're asking
00:30:37.260
if there's a double standard, yes. Join the Marine Corps. There's a double standard. Join
00:30:41.380
the U.S. Army. That's okay. There's a double standard. That's okay. I feel rude. I feel as
00:30:46.420
if, like, okay, if I'm going to expect this from this person, I'm going to expect it from
00:30:49.840
myself. And if I don't do that, I feel like I'm going to be an asshole. Well, then how about
00:30:52.300
you do that as far as, like, honesty and loyalty is concerned, but you don't need to do that
00:30:55.400
as far as finances, because we didn't ask you. That's what I was going to ask. You're not
00:30:58.580
sacrificing anything. It's a trade-off. So what strings come attached with that, paying
00:31:01.860
for the bill? Like, what do you expect out of the woman you're dating? Are you talking
00:31:04.620
about, like, a first date or something? In general. Nothing. Be pleasant. Be my peace.
00:31:08.640
You know? Eventually, down the road, there's probably going to be sex, and then there's
00:31:11.660
loyalty, and then that's it. You know? There's no obligation. That's it? There's no obligation.
00:31:15.540
That's what you're going to say. Yeah, that's what you're going to say. I wish I found somebody
00:31:18.560
that would, like, you guys face nowadays. People are not like that. Look, I don't need, like, I get plenty of that.
00:31:21.700
So, but that's the point I'm trying to make to you. But are you happy with that person?
00:31:26.980
If I'm talking about a first date, I think Justin's talking about a first date. We're talking
00:31:29.580
about a first date right now. No, no, no. I don't mean sexual orientation. So she gives
00:31:32.860
you everything, right? So she gives you everything, right? How she cleans the house. She watches
00:31:38.820
your kids. She pays, you know, maybe half the rent, maybe once or twice. No, no, she doesn't.
00:31:43.400
No, she doesn't. Half the rent. Let me just lay this out. This is from my point of view.
00:31:47.240
And so she pays half the rent. She takes care of everything. She drives everywhere. She
00:31:51.480
takes you sometimes a lot everywhere, right? And you still cheat on her. Why?
00:31:56.540
You're asking us why we cheat on people we haven't cheated on?
00:31:59.020
And she also provides loyalty. Out there, like, there's tons of people, like NLE Chopper,
00:32:04.540
like Nick Cannon, who cheat on their baby mamas.
00:32:07.300
Oh, I think those women are fully aware. I wouldn't consider that cheating. If you have a baby
00:32:11.900
And why do they continue to hop onto the next female? Because those females don't make them
00:32:15.940
happy. That's absolutely. Nick Cannon is a terrible example. That's not true.
00:32:19.540
It's because the girls are having sex with the guys. That's why.
00:32:23.140
Okay, but have you guys ever thought about it? Like, with guys, they think...
00:32:25.140
Okay, then what about Krishan Rock? Krishan Rock was so down bad for Blueface.
00:32:30.960
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:32:34.560
That is not a low value. That is a person that was a victim of manipulation of falling in love.
00:32:41.440
Why do females fall in love? Answer my question. When do females fall in love?
00:32:44.820
It has to do with oxytocin release out of the owl for someone.
00:32:49.100
Exactly. And after that point, they become crazy. After that one night where they cuddle
00:32:53.620
you, they fuck you, and they sleep with you. And after that, they're down bad.
00:33:04.880
There's street whores, and there's house whores. There's two different types of females in this world.
00:33:10.820
Obviously, if your man is part of the house, I wouldn't consider, I don't know about street whores
00:33:16.240
Obviously, I see you three as housewives, and I see myself on the streets.
00:33:20.420
You know why? You know why? You know why? Because the man that you're with, that you think
00:33:25.400
will provide for everything. You sit at home, and you worry about him.
00:33:29.020
Would you like me to tell you why you think of yourself that way?
00:33:30.940
If you have pride in my man cheating with you because you think that brings you up, that does not bring you up.
00:33:36.360
But you always have to have that constant fear that your man is cheating on you.
00:33:42.460
Yeah, you trust your man until one day some girl texts you,
00:33:48.460
You're going to blow up on him. You're going to hate him.
00:33:50.540
You're going to kick him out, and you're going to start all back over looking for another relationship.
00:33:55.200
Yeah, you just said you're going to kick him out.
00:34:00.980
Every guy that I have ever slept with, I am a direct person.
00:34:04.440
Just like how she answered all the names, she's an indirect person.
00:34:10.860
Because you have become the man you want to have a relationship with.
00:34:20.040
Because you're hooking up randomly with people.
00:34:21.620
You're taking advantage of men's feelings in some way that you don't want them to do to you.
00:34:23.960
No, because before I sleep with you, I always tell you what.
00:34:27.440
Every guy that I have ever had slept with, I always lay out the facts.
00:34:33.560
I like you for this type of period, and we can have sex, yes, yada, yada, yada.
00:34:38.900
Do you think that's conducive to a healthy relationship in the future?
00:34:44.920
It's clear that you do not need a healthy relationship.
00:34:49.320
He doesn't need to find out whether he needs to fuck me or not.
00:34:52.500
I can just tell him, you could fuck me, whatever.
00:34:54.960
Okay, the reason why you're attracting these terrible males is because you're presenting yourself
00:35:00.180
Anywhere near terrible males, I'm doing just fine.
00:35:02.380
Okay, but the people you're like, oh, I always have to worry whether or not he's cheating
00:35:05.960
The reason why you're getting those people is because you're presenting yourself as
00:35:12.540
Okay, and you're putting it as if like it's a, oh, girl power moment.
00:35:18.800
Well, that's the way you're presenting yourself.
00:35:21.940
Okay, and if you're presenting yourself like this to us.
00:35:25.740
Okay, if you're presenting yourself like this to us, then what do you think they think of you?
00:35:29.460
If you're presenting yourself as a nigga, I don't care.
00:35:31.960
I will let a guy, they're like, I will let a guy.
00:35:54.900
Can you turn to the camera so the camera can just do a little turn, show them?
00:36:18.280
I used to be fucking with guys that used me for money.
00:36:40.040
Who was the one with the seven-month situationship?
00:36:43.800
Okay, let's give you a little opportunity to talk.
00:36:46.260
Let's talk about your seven-month situationship.
00:37:18.580
He basically had told me that he was going to be...
00:37:23.800
And when he came back, he wanted to make it official.
00:37:26.220
Well, we had broken up five times in the middle of the seven-month period.
00:37:35.800
I feel as if I was just maybe just comfortable with the person.
00:37:37.980
And I pretty much was just, like, you know, like, I want to work this out.
00:37:45.700
But then after our last breakup, and I found out that he was already with somebody,
00:37:50.580
his best friend had called me and basically told me that he had already moved in with her.
00:37:57.600
So, after I heard that, I literally just, like, all the feelings just went away so quickly.
00:38:03.100
I started just, like, doing me, saving up, just working all the time.
00:38:12.780
But recently, I just, like, met somebody, and I have been talking to him for a while.
00:38:17.240
I still kind of have, like, that emotional, like, attachment wall kind of up because I
00:38:21.460
feel like I don't want to get close to a person.
00:38:26.260
And if I do that, I feel like I'm just going to get hurt again.
00:38:40.300
I think this is going to be a really good, like, turning point for you in your life.
00:38:44.600
Because you do deserve somebody that cares about you and doesn't treat you the way that
00:38:51.640
But also, you need to see your value as a woman.
00:39:02.880
I was fixated on always, like, oh, I need a relationship.
00:39:10.380
I want, you know, somebody to just, like, be able to talk to and, like, lay my head
00:39:18.940
Is it a Spider-Man, like, a dirty Spider-Man costume?
00:39:30.140
Just kind of going back to when it comes to relationship status.
00:39:41.640
That's kind of rude that you say you're single.
00:39:49.720
Any, you know, situations springing up in that time period?
00:40:04.460
I've been going on dates, but it doesn't really get past the first date.
00:40:28.140
Right now, is there guy-girl content of you and another dude that's up that you're selling
00:40:42.840
So, you allow them to discover it on their own.
00:40:44.980
If you start seriously dating another guy and he asks you specifically, he doesn't even
00:40:48.440
want you to take your whole OF down, but he wants the guy-girl content of you with another
00:41:05.220
I'm waiting for that rom-com moment where I'm like, oh my God, I've known you my whole
00:41:12.920
Do you understand how any man with any boundaries whatsoever is not going to find that acceptable?
00:41:20.720
I'm trying to be as non-judgmental of you as possible.
00:41:24.200
There is no fucking way that a dude is going to be there like, oh, what does she do?
00:41:29.800
She sells, you know, porn of her fucking some other dude on her OF.
00:41:34.220
Yeah, bro, unless you find a cuck like Sneeko, you're not going to find a man.
00:41:43.820
All right, okay, unless you find a cuck, I don't think someone's...
00:41:49.140
You got to talk shit about people, you got to talk into the mic.
00:41:57.520
No, he needs to sit in the chair next to you so you can say that shit to his face.
00:42:01.820
You got to understand, you got to sit right there.
00:42:04.600
All right, but unless you find a cuck or someone who really doesn't have respect for themselves,
00:42:10.340
You'll find a man, but you might not find the man you're looking for.
00:42:17.820
You know, look, it's really hard because my mom tells me this all the time, but I just...
00:42:25.200
I love working for myself and making a lot of money, and this is the way that I...
00:42:35.600
Yeah, so this is the way that I found to do that, to make a lot of money and just do
00:42:39.700
whatever I want, but at the end of the day, I do really want love, so...
00:42:44.700
So you're aware of the conundrum that you've put yourself in.
00:42:47.820
What I'm saying is you're not being delusional about it.
00:42:49.480
Like, where on the list of things, like OnlyFans, finding love, marriage, where's the marriage
00:42:56.920
I mean, you said you want a relationship, right?
00:42:59.960
I want to find love more than anything, but like, to quit OnlyFans, you know, just hoping
00:43:06.080
Also, I think I do hope that who, like, if it's my person, like in the movies, you know,
00:43:12.420
if it happens, like I'm the most incredible person in the world to them, right?
00:43:16.180
So I would think that they would not, that they would love me no matter what.
00:43:22.580
I know, I believe in fairy tales, and I don't know if it's going to exist for me.
00:43:27.680
Don't you want a guy that says, get off of that?
00:43:42.720
Like, is it nothing on OnlyFans or nothing like...
00:43:44.980
You know, like, I don't want a man to just be like, all right, I'm going to save you
00:43:48.120
and then give me all this money, and then I just sit around doing nothing.
00:43:52.500
Like, do you want to build a life with somebody?
00:43:54.860
And that's something I don't really, I don't know yet how that's going to work.
00:43:57.780
I don't know how having kids and doing OnlyFans, I haven't thought that.
00:44:11.180
There was somebody, we'll pull up the video really quick since it's topical.
00:44:14.400
So, you were on the show last time, and we asked if, we'll go around the table really
00:44:22.180
We're going to have you see if you would date the following guy.
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This doesn't apply to the men at the table, unless you would be...
00:44:41.240
Bro, it keeps getting better the further you go down.
00:44:51.800
He actually looks good when he doesn't have his hair looking like that.
00:44:54.100
He's capable of defending you, so there's that.
00:44:57.400
Just really quick, we'll go around the table for the girls.
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Would you go on World of Warcraft raids with him?
00:45:22.160
I think I would, but he should play better games like Fallout.
00:45:34.800
What if he's down to wait until marriage or whatever?
00:45:43.820
I mean, you've got a boyfriend, so I don't know if you're down.
00:46:12.360
Does that change the calculus at all for any of you?
00:46:21.300
I mean, I don't see what the problem with dating gamers is.
00:46:23.840
Like, I won't date a guy unless he plays video games.
00:46:25.700
Because then we don't really share a lot in common, so...
00:46:30.260
But, like, I want someone to play video games with.
00:46:32.520
Like, I want someone who's actually good at Dark Souls, you know?
00:46:39.300
Yeah, I want someone who can get past the Tree Sentinel.
00:46:45.460
Now, does that change your mind about this guy?
00:46:58.040
So, I followed him on Twitter, and I was like, maybe he'll see that I followed him.
00:47:01.660
But, he didn't follow me back, and I'm very shy to DM a guy first.
00:47:23.040
Like, because here's my question for everyone else who said they're single.
00:47:29.160
Because someone can say they're single and be sleeping with, like, three dudes, you know?
00:47:46.680
Do you have the Myron soundboard where you say that's Cap?
00:48:10.340
Because you probably have a lot of guys that would be trying to get after you, especially
00:48:18.920
If I was religious, I don't think I'd be participating in OnlyFans.
00:48:30.120
But it's like you go around the table and you've got all these girls who say, you know,
00:48:34.160
And yet they're on OnlyFans or they're doing...
00:48:48.840
Can you describe an incident where it got close and it didn't happen?
00:48:53.640
Like for you, you're 24 and you've never had sex.
00:48:56.040
So like what happened where it got close and you decided to not do it?
00:48:59.360
Because you're saying you're not a virgin for moral reasons.
00:49:03.320
So I'm just curious, did anybody even get close?
00:49:05.380
Or does this whole idea of sex just not seem appealing to you?
00:49:08.300
And before I have you answer that, Justin, just really quick.
00:49:25.840
It could still be for moral reasons, just not for like conventional religious reasons.
00:49:29.340
Like I personally just don't believe in biting the bullet and just participating in hookup culture.
00:49:32.980
And even though it might seem inconsistent that I'm on OnlyFans, well, holding out for me, it's very consistent.
00:49:37.880
Because I just hold to my own moral compass in the sense of doing what I want to do.
00:49:43.600
And if I meet someone I'm in love with, then...
00:49:46.720
But do you ever make out with a guy that was hot and heavy and then something stopped you?
00:49:56.520
I think just because I haven't done it, it's very easy for things in rest to stay in rest.
00:50:15.220
So I'd imagine it'd probably be harder for you because you have that muscle memory or that like remembrance of what it was like.
00:50:22.180
Have you made out with a dude and considered having sex with him and then you stopped yourself during the night?
00:50:42.000
Like the dude hasn't even like made out with you where you thought about having sex with him.
00:50:45.000
I've had the desire, but the desire isn't congruent with my like mental desire, if that makes sense.
00:50:51.000
Like I've had like the bodily desire for it, but I have a completely independent thought process of that.
00:50:56.780
I totally get that because I'm a virgin as well, so.
00:51:04.040
There was this one time with my uncle, but I did not.
00:51:24.040
Are you waiting until marriage or it just, the right guy hasn't come along?
00:51:30.680
Like I just want to be in love and I'm not sure if I have yet.
00:51:34.120
And for me, if I even kiss a guy at a club who I'm not into, like I'll go home feeling disgusted.
00:51:43.920
I'm not trying to pry too much, but like you're, you're telling Virgin, we'll just call that
00:51:48.620
Have you even gotten to first base with the dude?
00:51:50.700
Cause that would actually be a completely different story that you're telling.
00:51:57.180
Not, um, frequently in that setting, like that one time setting.
00:52:00.520
Cause a few times I have from that sample size, like I just personally don't feel good
00:52:03.840
afterwards, like kissing someone, kissing someone, even on a first date.
00:52:06.440
Like I have to go on at least three dates to kiss someone, to be honest,
00:52:09.660
And then has anything ever gotten further than just kissing someone?
00:52:13.100
It'd be uncouth to give you a detailed sexual biography.
00:52:17.060
Well, my point is like, it's for some people, there's like a mental fixation where like
00:52:26.820
Like I said, I have a very strong bodily desire.
00:52:28.740
And in the moment, like I could totally see myself enjoying it.
00:52:31.880
It's more so I know afterwards I won't feel good.
00:52:34.040
Cause if I don't feel good after kissing someone, it felt good in the moment.
00:52:36.740
Then I think sex would be, you know what I mean?
00:52:39.920
Can we just have you pull your hair behind your, put the hair behind your back?
00:52:52.220
It's just like, you know, I'm just like, I'm looking out for you.
00:52:54.640
Like I pulled up your OnlyFans here just like to check, like if there's anything that
00:52:57.740
could like discredit your claim that you're a virgin.
00:53:03.580
Cause I don't, I don't pay for OnlyFans, but you only have eight posts like hello.
00:53:07.960
But I mean, a lot of it's in the messaging, you know?
00:53:10.260
Hey, do you write your own messages or do you have someone write your messages for you?
00:53:15.780
Most people go on my OnlyFans to like debate me.
00:53:20.140
She's found a business model by like, by, by being the virgin OnlyFans content.
00:53:25.340
I don't really brand as virgin because I feel like it conflicts with the OnlyFans image.
00:53:29.480
The virgin thing is a relative, I planned on not coming out with it for a while.
00:53:35.720
Like you could piss dudes off and get them like to pay to debate you and call you names.
00:53:45.960
Do you think that being on OnlyFans is like limiting you from finding the guy for whom you
00:53:51.160
will eventually want to actually have sex with?
00:53:55.980
You could say that, you know, me not wearing a hijab, you know, I'm cutting off a section
00:54:01.600
There's men who probably won't like me for my race.
00:54:03.540
I'll just find a man who has congruent values with me.
00:54:06.220
I'm not going to tailor my lifestyle to like a subsection of red-pilled men.
00:54:09.660
So if you have an OnlyFans and you're a virgin and you just explained to us that you're
00:54:25.640
When you say high value, you're probably relating to income, height, things like that.
00:54:29.440
Not high value, but I mean like it's high enough to sort of be your ideal guy that would be
00:54:34.340
I don't know if we have the same metrics of ideal.
00:54:37.920
What would be your ideal that you would want to have in a guy so that you will have sex
00:54:42.780
For me, romantic chemistry is incredibly volatile.
00:54:45.100
It's not based on any barometers of like, oh, he's in school.
00:54:49.100
So it could just be random dude off the street?
00:54:54.400
I think you're probably way more hypergamous than you think you are.
00:54:57.760
In fact, you are so hypergamous, you won't have sex with a guy until the guy is the guy
00:55:02.820
And then if I had had sex with guys and then they were, you know what I mean, made less
00:55:05.660
than me, and then you'd say, oh, because we broke up, it proves that none of those interactions
00:55:09.720
Can I just tilt the microphone a little, tilt it, other way, there you go.
00:55:17.540
I think the fact that you are a virgin right now just proves a point that you're hyper,
00:55:23.480
The fact that I'm abstinent means that I'm waiting for someone richer than me?
00:55:26.800
No, no, so you're confused with hypergamous with this idea that women are bad.
00:55:35.180
Yeah, you are the one who's saying that he, you're putting words in his mouth.
00:55:38.280
No, I'm just asking what would be your ideal enough to get with a guy.
00:55:40.840
But where did this notion of women being bad come in?
00:55:45.500
Yeah, but you're saying to him, you're putting words in his mouth about what he's going to
00:55:49.280
say next after you have sex and that he's going to judge you, and that's not what we're
00:55:52.960
Hypergamy is just an algorithm, it's an evolutionary adaptation that women have.
00:55:59.240
I'm not sure if it's an evolutionary adaptation.
00:56:00.940
I think the reason women have historically been hypergamous is because they were barred from higher
00:56:05.040
education, so obviously the average man was going to earn more than them, but by 2050,
00:56:08.280
we're going to see a total reversal of hypergamy.
00:56:09.920
Hypergamy and the Pleistocene epic was because of a barred from education?
00:56:15.160
In general, you can't really deduce anything from hypergamy historically because men on
00:56:20.020
average have just made more than women, but now women are out earning men.
00:56:27.260
I'm just telling you, studies have shown about that.
00:56:29.020
By 2050, we'll see a complete reversal of hypergamy.
00:56:31.460
Let me explain what you're doing here is you are conflating hypergamy with the values and
00:56:39.300
the monetary set and status of today, whereas when we talk about, well, I've talked about
00:56:52.980
I'm using the current definition of hypergamy, which is that women date someone with a superior
00:57:05.120
No, because when we talk about hypergamy, it's not just about money.
00:57:12.500
It's also about, like, is this guy arousing enough for me to want to get with?
00:57:22.180
I'm not asking you, like, how much money does he have to make?
00:57:25.140
I'm just saying, what's your ideal that that guy would get in there?
00:57:28.420
Who would be the guy that would make you, the OnlyFans virgin, want to have sex with this
00:58:01.320
And then there's the beta buck side, which is the provisioning protection and parental
00:58:06.020
So what you're focusing on right now is just that one single side.
00:58:09.000
What I'm saying is what combination of all that would be the guy for whom you would
00:58:15.660
And I don't think I can give you, like, on paper, a list of traits.
00:58:22.280
For me, like I said, romantic chemistry is incredibly volatile.
00:58:24.840
So the last guy you were with was, what, shorter than you?
00:58:29.120
I'm not going to get into details of it, but I've been attracted to guys who are my height
00:58:33.840
For me, I'm hypergamous maybe in the sense that I want someone with equal intelligence.
00:58:42.140
I'm just rejecting the premise that I subscribe to hypergamy.
00:58:46.260
So let's just say you don't subscribe to it, but the supposition that you made previously
00:58:50.580
was that it was somehow cultural and it wasn't genetic.
00:58:53.780
So we've put that to bed over 40 years ago, okay?
00:58:56.600
The study of evolutionary psychology, Dr. David Buss's first study in 1989, where he looked
00:59:03.060
In all 37 cultures, women wanted men taller than them.
00:59:06.620
In all 37 cultures, men were more interested in casual sex than women.
00:59:10.180
In all 37 cultures, women were more interested in men who were better at provisioning.
00:59:14.540
And these cultures had no attachment to radios, television, or film.
00:59:20.280
So Papua New Guinea, or Papua New Guinea, sorry.
00:59:22.640
And the Andes, they had absolutely no contact with each other.
00:59:26.340
In all of these ones, men on average had 90% higher upper body muscle and 50% more lower
00:59:34.540
When you look at all these things, these are genetic.
00:59:39.220
So that's a mistake to think that hypergamy is something that's created because men created
00:59:43.540
some sort of patriarchy that created a hypergamous situation.
00:59:47.740
Well, I think we were just using conflicting definitions of hypergamy.
00:59:51.000
I was referring to socioeconomic background, which is the definition.
00:59:53.780
In your discussion with him, but in my discussion, because my podcast is on evolutionary psychology,
00:59:59.700
there is no evidence whatsoever that the concept of hypergamy comes from culture.
01:00:03.780
Just like my heterosexuality does not come from culture, and what people are attracted
01:00:06.960
to does not come from culture, we've proven unequivocally, unassailably, it is genetic.
01:00:11.780
Now, there's variations within a culture what some people find attractive as others, but
01:00:15.880
in all 37 cultures, they found symmetrical faces and signs of youth to be attractive.
01:00:21.000
And average, in general, men who are taller, not necessarily six feet tall, some places
01:00:25.600
don't use the imperial system, but not always, but generally men who are taller than women.
01:00:30.680
And in all of these different cases, the men who are more competent, an allegory or an
01:00:35.300
analogy for competency in 2023 is money, whereas there was no money during the plasticine epic.
01:00:42.700
The ability to garner resources, that's what's most important.
01:00:46.300
But there's no, to your point before, let me just stop right there.
01:00:50.600
There's no science behind the idea that it's cultural.
01:00:54.780
Because there would be some culture where it wasn't the case, and no such culture has
01:01:00.780
And you're using a very multi-dimensional application of hypergamy.
01:01:06.080
I was referring again to socioeconomic background.
01:01:08.660
Competence can map onto a lot of different facets.
01:01:12.420
It can mean competence in helping you as a woman take care of you, but that doesn't
01:01:17.040
Like, I kind of want you to give a more clear definition of what you mean by hypergamy in
01:01:23.680
Because, so you're saying that you think that socioeconomic is cultural.
01:01:30.880
Not just looks, not taller, anything like that.
01:01:35.600
So, say you're a woman who makes a lot of money.
01:01:39.060
You would date a man who makes less than you, because we're, we've bled that out of our
01:01:45.260
Women have the access to higher education, things like that, and we can make more money.
01:01:49.600
Yeah, we're seeing, like, a reversal of hypergamy, at least in the socioeconomic sense, yeah.
01:01:56.260
Like, you think, like, you would not date a man who makes more than you, whatever.
01:02:00.560
I'm saying that's not, like, the cardinal reason I'm attracted to someone is not based
01:02:06.420
Like, I don't know about should be, I don't know about adding morality to it.
01:02:10.260
I think you should do whatever you're, you know what I mean?
01:02:13.720
What is the cardinal reason for you to be attracted to somebody?
01:02:20.060
Usually it's based on a shared sense of intelligence or humor.
01:02:23.240
And if I find that in any person, for me to meet someone, I think, yeah.
01:02:26.480
So, the guy could be 400 pounds, and you would still find him sexually attractive
01:02:30.160
because he's as funny as Danny DeVito or Jim Carrey.
01:02:38.920
So, all the fat guys in the audience right now are like, man, I just got to brush up
01:02:43.880
I have found overweight men who I'm very attracted to because I find them funny.
01:02:48.360
And some people might say that they develop that humor to kind of make up for their looks.
01:02:51.700
You realize they're looking at your Instagram right now.
01:02:54.680
You realize the chat's probably digging up your Instagram right now.
01:03:10.780
We've been on this for like 20 minutes straight.
01:03:15.720
Can we talk about something else because we've been on this for 20 minutes straight.
01:03:34.620
Drop us a Prime sub and a follow if you have it.
01:03:36.620
If you have Amazon Prime, you go to Amazon Prime.
01:03:40.120
Quick, free, easy way to support the show every single month.
01:03:58.560
CannaLover, thank you for the five gifted subs.
01:04:14.440
Twitch.tv slash whatever if you want to follow and drop us a prime.
01:04:18.560
And then let's get a couple soup chats in while we have it.
01:04:25.360
Karma, I told you to leave the business card in your pocket, Nev.
01:04:35.320
And then that's going to take a little second here to pass through.
01:04:50.320
So Rolo Tomasi tells men to get vasectomies, avoid marriage, and family creation.
01:04:57.300
Manosphere is equally as dysfunctional as the blue-haired feminists who hate men and childless cat ladies.
01:05:02.180
Look to Matt Walsh or Ben Shapiro for better advice.
01:05:05.700
Yeah, well, first off, that tweet was, let's just say, tongue-in-cheek, first of all.
01:05:11.520
And then second of all, if I told you to go jump off a cliff, are you going to go do that?
01:05:16.480
If I told you that the fastest way to make a million dollars was to steal it, would you disagree with that?
01:05:22.720
If I told you, see, the thing is, the problem that I have with Twitter and a lot of the social media stuff that's going on right now is you can't open your mouth on social media without it being advice.
01:05:33.760
You can't go on a show, you can't go on Instagram, you can't go on Twitter without people saying, you're giving advice, you're trying to influence me to do something, rather than actually having some sort of thought experiment.
01:05:45.000
Now, when I was talking about that, when I brought that up, I was bringing up the idea of what makes a high-value guy and what is the quickest way or the quickest path from point A to point B.
01:05:54.940
Okay, so would that not be, these days, simply don't have, don't get married, do not be concerned with family creation, focus on your, focus on your, you know, your mission, whatever that happens to be.
01:06:09.580
And I'll tell you what's funny is when people come at me and they say, oh, Rolla thinks that we should all go and sterilize ourselves.
01:06:18.160
I'm not saying go get a fucking vasectomy, okay?
01:06:20.720
If that's what you want to do, fine, go ahead and do that.
01:06:23.840
But it's not, I'm not influencing, I'm just saying, look, this is the fastest way for you to protect yourself from having children, if that's the way you want to, if that's where you want to be.
01:06:33.320
So, guys who don't have those accountabilities, they don't have those liabilities, those are the guys who are going to outperform the guys who are already tied down by those things.
01:06:42.600
Whether or not that's a moral issue or an ethical issue, you can go take that up with Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro all day long if you want.
01:06:48.900
We got one here from Zentians, think for the hundred man, to the ugly 30 foe, not sure who this is directed towards.
01:06:56.560
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you ever even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
01:07:03.080
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
01:07:09.140
Well, well, well, well quoted, well quoted from the movie.
01:07:16.100
And then we have, we have, let's see here, we have Wiley50, thanks for the hundred.
01:07:25.140
Sex is something beautiful between a husband and wife.
01:07:27.600
Sex outside marriage is pointless and cannot be blessed by God.
01:07:35.540
Yeah, you didn't say you're waiting until marriage.
01:07:37.180
Now I'm like trying to chill out, but I definitely haven't done that in the past.
01:08:03.760
Some of the people at this table are barely able to form a proper sentence.
01:08:07.560
Looks do matter, but so does language, among other things.
01:08:10.920
Thank you, Roman, for the donation from Switzerland.
01:08:15.840
I don't know if you're in the French-speaking part or the Swiss-German-speaking part, but much
01:08:22.580
Dankeschine, if you're, I don't know if that's the same in Swiss-German.
01:08:24.860
But okay, Jeremy, thank you for the big $200 soup chat, man.
01:08:36.620
Well, considering you're related to Destiny, why don't you have a, take a shot at that one?
01:08:41.500
The Mia Khalifa from Wish came here with an agenda.
01:08:44.920
Destiny went on a world tour, calling them trafficker.
01:08:46.880
Shout out Justin Waller for helping men level up.
01:08:56.020
No, I actually told him he's not allowed to watch this on stream right now.
01:09:07.440
Oh, I just said, because he probably would have watched it.
01:09:19.160
I was more interested in your response to the Wish Mia Khalifa thing.
01:09:23.760
If you have thought, like a rebuttal, maybe more like a Walmart version.
01:09:34.460
I'm flattered that he paid $200 when he only needed to pay $100 to get your attention,
01:09:42.760
Can a porn star be of Middle Eastern descent and not be Mia Khalifa?
01:09:46.820
I think she's kind of like got the monopoly on that shit.
01:09:51.700
Other people, there's a lot of people who look like that.
01:09:54.800
And then he also said something to Justin here.
01:09:57.940
Shout out Justin Waller for helping men level up Real G.
01:10:08.680
Michael, me personally, I wouldn't take that level of disrespect.
01:10:27.820
Avery, if you want to read this one, go for it.
01:10:30.660
She's got a business model of catering to fat, unhygienic midgets who all think they have
01:10:41.600
Waller, take over the mic like the alpha you are.
01:10:58.740
I know we all look alike, but this one's Justin right here.
01:11:01.900
You don't think there's such a thing as an alpha male?
01:11:05.740
Do you think there's such a thing as an alpha female?
01:11:09.060
I feel like there should be somebody who should pull the weight and somebody who should be
01:11:17.360
So, you know, if you feel like you're investing too much and that person is obviously pulling away.
01:11:28.880
Brian, first off, great panel, at least on the male side, very based.
01:11:33.520
Question for the girls on the panel who are your own models in life.
01:11:37.560
Second question, how many of them came from a broken home?
01:11:41.200
P.S. Brian, you thought the $200 price tag would stop.
01:11:49.340
By the way, guys, just a reminder, if you want to direct your donations to Streamlabs just
01:11:54.780
so we don't, you know, YouTube doesn't take their 30% woke cut.
01:12:02.360
Wait, it was a question for the girls on the panel.
01:12:09.660
And second question, how many of them came from a broken home?
01:12:22.720
We'll go around really quickly on the broken home thing.
01:12:38.500
Patrick Payton in Broken Home, confirm or deny?
01:12:42.280
Okay, hell if I know if I came from a broken home or not.
01:12:56.740
Whether or not they like each other, I don't fucking know.
01:13:16.960
Okay, and then the other thing was just your role models in life.
01:14:16.760
All right, the FBI's knocking on his door right now.
01:14:27.340
My role models are the people that pointed me towards truth and love and that are personally
01:14:42.560
Just when I went through my hard time in life, they just were there for me.
01:14:49.520
They're people that do amazing things with their lives.
01:15:14.740
I would say just the women in my family, like my mom, my grandparents, my aunts, and then
01:15:19.540
also just like I grew up doing pageants and cheering.
01:15:25.800
Just women that were older than me that did that, too.
01:15:28.260
There was a lot of women that I could look up to that were involved in that as well.
01:15:41.360
In regards to giving up OF, the FAA is hiring air traffic controllers, early six figs, one
01:15:47.340
I'm not just saying this so I don't have to work overtime, I swear.
01:15:49.480
I mean, my understanding of the FAA, the air traffic ATC, it's a super stressful job and
01:15:55.600
they, like, for the first, like, what, 10 years you're in, like, some dog shit regional
01:16:10.260
I wonder if there's, like, any, like, one who has OnlyFans who's also in air traffic control
01:16:16.360
and they, like, do it at the same time and shit.
01:16:18.220
You know, like, how nurses will, like, go into the janitor closet and, like, get fired
01:16:23.560
Like, there's an ATC controller who's just, like...
01:16:30.080
Is it a side hustle or is it something that you do, like, just to the exception of everything
01:16:36.520
Uh, OnlyFans in tandem with, like, TikTok and sponsorships and stuff.
01:16:43.000
Ask the ladies to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10.
01:17:03.760
I mean, now it just seems like you're wanting to give me the answer that you think we want
01:17:09.820
What's your own self-assessment of your physical appearance?
01:17:12.580
I don't know if I self-assess in that quantitative of a way.
01:17:17.320
You look at us all and you already have a number in your head.
01:17:19.380
Well, I want to give you guys more of a look over, but I could assign...
01:17:26.160
I don't intend to do it unless you guys ask me to, but...
01:17:37.000
I'm not humbling myself, but, you know, not everybody's perfect.
01:17:41.980
I feel like it just depends on the day, but today it's like a 6.
01:17:46.940
I feel like it depends on the time of day and what day, but...
01:18:03.540
Okay, I mean, like, when I'm just waking up in the morning, because we can go from 2 to 7.
01:18:26.240
I think that's the first time I've ever heard on any panel girls that didn't go say,
01:18:33.320
Did that dude say he was a 10 on your show the other day?
01:18:38.640
No, he's talking about Gary in the Numbers guy.
01:18:40.920
No, that big gremlin-looking thing that was on your show.
01:18:56.120
They showed her TikTok on No Jumper, and she said, these dudes don't understand that I'm
01:18:58.920
a 10, so I'm at Wendy's right now eating my feelings away.
01:19:07.700
No, and object to it if someone sees themselves in a way where they can quantify it, go for
01:19:13.600
Because sometimes we get pushback on this question of like, oh, it's kind of weird, rude
01:19:20.100
...try to view someone, you know, to rank someone by their, or rate someone by their
01:19:28.820
I question the objectivity of it, because I've noticed when Fresh and Fit does this, and
01:19:32.440
you do this, the intention is kind of to rate the woman's delusion or humbleness,
01:19:36.340
which kind of proves that the rating system is subjective, because the argument is, it's
01:19:40.380
objective, but if the girl says 10, then the guys will call her a 2, and if the girl
01:19:43.720
says 2, they say, funny how the girl says 2 is the hottest girl, so they base it off
01:19:47.340
personality, proving that, you know what I mean?
01:19:50.940
Well, it is personality, because if you're over here, and you're like, oh yeah, I'm hot
01:19:53.560
shit, this, this, and that, they're going to be like, whoa, she's over here thinking
01:19:56.260
she's all that, so let's go ahead and humble her really quick.
01:19:58.480
But if you're like, if you're kind of nice about it, and you're kind of like, oh yeah, I feel
01:20:01.540
like maybe I'm an 8, I'm a 9 today, like, you know, I'm feeling okay, then they're
01:20:05.920
Sure, which proves that looks aren't objective.
01:20:07.460
Actually, then, if we're talking about that, then I'd change my answer.
01:20:12.260
If we're talking about that, then I'm changing my answer, though.
01:20:14.820
Because if, I don't care what anybody says, like, everybody can say any hurtful thing.
01:20:25.740
Call of Duty, modern word for the first one, 2019.
01:20:31.360
Okay, but you're correct, it is subjective, and that's why we asked you, you're the subject
01:20:36.020
in this time, and you're rating yourself, right?
01:20:41.340
Every time we do Access Vegas, we have some, in my opinion, some very stunningly gorgeous
01:20:47.780
Every guy in the chat says, oh, I can't, why don't you get some normal girls on there?
01:20:51.640
Why don't you get, like, that's the number one thing we had to deal with from day one,
01:20:55.020
was people saying that the girls on our show were fake, they had big lips, they had big
01:20:58.760
tits, they had, you know, they would get some real girls on there, kind of thing, and so
01:21:02.580
it was the subjective, like, opinion of these guys, that these aren't, like, quote-unquote
01:21:07.440
So, all you really have to do is go walk through any major airport today, and you can go find
01:21:12.760
Are they going to be the people that you want to have on your podcast?
01:21:15.480
Are they going to be the people you're going to poll for, like, these kind of questions?
01:21:34.480
Okay, I think everyone's, like, over-complicating things.
01:21:38.420
Like, it's just, they just asked you, like, whether or not you think you're a 10.
01:21:41.900
Like, in my opinion, if a fat bitch is fat, you call her fat, you know?
01:21:45.280
Or if someone's ugly, you call them butt-ugly, you know?
01:21:48.000
But, like, if we just over-complicate things, like, oh, oh, my worth is, like, you know?
01:21:52.560
Okay, I'm sorry, because this entire video, you have been talking about personality, how
01:22:01.480
No, no, no, no, no, because now you're talking down about somebody, how they're fat, how they're
01:22:04.860
Okay, well, if a fat bitch is fat, you call her fat.
01:22:07.600
Well, if I say you have an ugly personality, do you have an ugly personality?
01:22:12.400
So, at the end of the day, it's still an opinion.
01:22:17.820
I don't think that that's contradicting herself.
01:22:39.560
When you rate yourself, what subconscious image do you use to rate yourself?
01:22:44.320
Your Instagram photos, or are you just getting out of the shower and looking at your-
01:23:06.120
Mike Davis' ratings for how much I'd pay for an out call with each guy.
01:23:11.480
Bro, $300 Farrah, $0 Nikki, $0 Rosie, $0 Alley, $300 Neff, $500 Aspen, $300 Kylie, $0 Zartain.
01:23:28.260
Dollar one, comma, oh, oh, comma, oh, oh, comma, oh, if he paid me.
01:23:38.440
I don't know what I did to Mike Davis, but damn, man.
01:23:43.960
If he's using words like out call, he's from Nevada.
01:23:56.360
Because I literally just sat here two fucking hours to listen to you talk.
01:24:05.120
You've been cutting people off this entire night.
01:24:10.200
You took up like 20 minutes vomiting, shitting out word salad.
01:24:17.500
Why are you getting offended that I want to have the conversation with you?
01:24:23.680
You just jump in when I'm trying to literally finish my point.
01:24:53.220
There's tons of studies that show when you overlay-
01:24:56.020
There's a famous one where you overlay the pictures of several thousand psychology students
01:25:01.660
You come up with an average, and that average is more attractive than the other people.
01:25:04.820
It's rated as more attractive than the people in the classroom.
01:25:07.480
Also, there's studies that show that infants, young children, look at people who are more
01:25:12.520
You know, I've hosted over 45 different bikini competitions, and exactly.
01:25:17.620
I've hosted over 45 different bikini competitions, and in doing so, when I ask the guys who's
01:25:22.240
going to win, it's almost always like the same three girls.
01:25:28.520
Now, to a certain extent, obviously, some people like bigger butts or bigger lips, but
01:25:32.140
the idea of facial symmetry and signs of youth, clear skin, things like that, those
01:25:40.680
They're actually objective, and that's a really offensive thing to a lot of people.
01:25:44.100
When you, you know, look at Victoria's Secret, and they show other body types, and I'm all
01:25:48.020
for inclusivity, but they're not going to change what I find attractive, or what Justin
01:25:51.600
finds attractive, or what Rollo, or any of the men in the chat, what they find attractive,
01:25:55.700
because when you leave that door open, that beauty is subjective, it really, for the most
01:26:00.680
Like, you can tell when something is beautiful because of symmetry and other things, and there's
01:26:07.300
That was a beautiful point, but I would like to talk to you again.
01:26:13.720
What you said was that there was a double standard in what she was saying, and, okay,
01:26:22.140
what you said was she calls it like she sees it, and that's wrong, because, and then you,
01:26:31.020
You talked, you talked about how, how we just got in that argument, but she, you're saying
01:26:35.940
that she's calling it a double standard for caring about somebody's personality when she
01:26:40.000
meets somebody, and then calling them ugly or fat.
01:26:45.520
I just don't want to fuck a fat bitch, but, okay, yeah, you go.
01:26:53.180
You're being fucked, like, you're funny and shit.
01:26:54.720
Okay, look me in the eye and tell me you'd fuck Thrognac the Destroyer who comes on here
01:27:32.520
Do you want to continue with your point about wanting the fuck?
01:27:36.220
Okay, okay, I just don't want to fuck fat bitches, okay?
01:27:41.360
I know you're, like, joking or whatever, but, like, what?
01:27:42.460
Okay, if a fat bitch went up to me and said, hey, sexy, I'd be like, hell not.
01:27:51.880
So you like a person, any person based off their personality, right?
01:27:54.220
Okay, okay, listen, I just don't want to fuck a fat bitch.
01:28:02.060
You were saying how I was basically saying that's contradicting, right?
01:28:05.740
Earlier, she was saying how are you going to marry somebody and then not know if they're
01:28:14.140
Well, I know they're not good in bed because they'll break it.
01:28:19.320
My thing is, you're over here saying that, oh, you're over here judging, you're being
01:28:24.860
biased, this and this and that, but yet you're over here saying, I wouldn't fuck somebody
01:28:27.800
who's bigger than me, like, who's ugly, this and this and that.
01:28:31.540
You have your own, like, perception as to who's ugly and who's big, right?
01:28:36.660
So it's, like, for you to be, like, straight up and say, like, oh, no, you're ugly, like,
01:28:41.240
you're fat, but yet you're over here saying, like, oh, no, I'm not judging, I'm not judging
01:28:50.760
Like, can we just, I don't want to fuck a fat bitch.
01:29:02.820
She merely asked me a question, which is why I was just trying to reiterate it.
01:29:10.080
So I think the point is, you shouldn't judge someone based off the act of sex, right?
01:29:17.060
Now, but biologically, we pick the mate that is best for us.
01:29:21.020
You're not going to want to mate with someone who, say, is obese, say, is short, and you
01:29:26.600
want your kids, you want your offspring to be stronger, powerful, tall, in good shape,
01:29:32.380
See, the way you are wording it is way better than what she has said.
01:29:40.260
The whole objective, like, her whole objective is, I'm going to have my preferences, but sex
01:29:47.780
It's the preferences that lead to the sex, right?
01:29:50.720
They lead to your picking a partner in general.
01:29:55.020
She's laying out her preferences that get you to the bed.
01:29:57.660
No, but what I was saying was earlier she asked us something about it being about, like,
01:30:01.780
how you feel towards a person and not about looks.
01:30:06.620
How you feel towards a fat person or a skinny person is definitely about looks, but it is
01:30:14.720
Everything is we see something, we all see the same thing, but we all perceive it differently.
01:30:30.060
When we see someone who is overweight, when we see someone who has, like, lost a limb,
01:30:34.340
when we see someone who is in some way deformed or disabled, we look at them as not necessarily
01:30:39.800
a lesser human being because of their personal value, but we do look at them and we say
01:30:43.780
that that person is not going to be able to run away from,
01:30:50.260
We look at that and we have an instant, instinctual understanding just by looking at that person,
01:30:55.840
whether or not they're going to be physically fit, whether I want to have sex with that
01:31:00.020
person, whether I do not want to have sex with that person, whether that person is going
01:31:03.100
to be somebody that I want in the trenches when I'm fighting a war or when I need somebody
01:31:11.100
So there is absolutely a look that we see when we look at someone.
01:31:14.300
So when people say this bullshit about, like, oh, you can't judge a book by its cover, well,
01:31:17.940
the reason for a book cover is to sort of let you know what's inside the book in the
01:31:24.580
Well, and then, you know, the other part of that is sex is the glue that keeps a relationship
01:31:28.740
So without that sex, you've got no fucking relationship.
01:31:31.760
Yeah, well, what I was going to say was that, like, I was saying that I don't want to
01:31:37.060
judge anyone, like, based on their sexual performances.
01:31:40.940
And I wouldn't get to that point because I wouldn't go for a fat woman.
01:31:45.920
So I wouldn't know what her performance was like because I wouldn't bother with that.
01:31:55.720
Also, okay, one more question that guy said of tradition.
01:31:59.900
I come from a different background, and if we're talking about tradition, my parents
01:32:06.140
So, not immigrants, but still, I come from a completely different background.
01:32:12.460
In my culture, whoever's the fastest person to pay, you get to pay.
01:32:24.540
Exactly, but in most cultures, there's different ways, and there's different thinking, and
01:32:33.360
Me, personally, the reason why I've been in a four-month relationship is because there's
01:32:38.260
a standard there, and there's a boundary that I put out.
01:32:40.880
And if you don't succumb to that, you know, boundary, then...
01:32:45.160
If you don't come to that, you know, boundary or meet it in any type of way, then there's
01:32:52.160
Because I feel like a relationship is a partnership, obviously.
01:32:56.660
I believe in 50-50 because of my cultural background.
01:33:05.840
No, but I believe because my parents divorced, and my dad left.
01:33:11.200
And so, obviously, there's split custody, and there's child support, and if you don't
01:33:16.240
pay for that child support, and then my parents...
01:33:18.500
I got that, but do you think that the reason why your parents split up is because
01:33:21.980
that egalitarian ideal didn't work out for the both of them?
01:33:30.800
So is that cultural, or is that just something between a man and a woman?
01:33:33.600
No, but I also watched a cultural person come from a strict, you know, background.
01:33:41.440
She only had books, everything like that, working, everything, like 9 to 5, everything.
01:33:46.400
And so, my mom got sick of it and came here to America to live out the American dream.
01:33:50.440
And so, obviously, from that point, you have to start out from scratch.
01:33:54.180
And my mom started out from scratch by herself, with nobody to help her, until she met my
01:33:59.920
She met my dad, and my dad helped her and pushed her forward to a certain extent.
01:34:03.600
And so, their agreement, and there's this agreement, and didn't fulfill each other,
01:34:11.360
You know, when you say vows, when you say vows.
01:34:18.680
But in their terms, in their eyes, they have agreed to a certain vow, and a certain agreement.
01:34:24.960
And if one of them just, you know, doesn't fulfill, why would you stay in that relationship?
01:34:36.240
And as a man, you know, as a female, and you constantly rely as a man, and then the father
01:34:41.820
figure, the male figure of the household just disappears.
01:34:44.460
What do you have left in that household, in that foundation?
01:34:47.180
What do you build off of a male-built foundation?
01:34:50.860
So, you have to start out from scratch, and you build that foundation yourself.
01:34:55.740
Can you just, like, stop karate chopping the table first?
01:34:59.000
As a female, you know, from starting from nothing.
01:35:03.440
My mother, starting from nothing, to something.
01:35:06.660
She, from below minimum wage, to above minimum wage.
01:35:12.900
Would she have been better off if she had a guy?
01:35:15.980
But, you know, in those time periods when she needed the guy at most, she realized.
01:35:22.420
Obviously, my mom was so into, you know, a relationship where it's, you put a certain
01:35:27.860
degree, and you put a certain degree, and you make a house.
01:35:33.160
Like, you know, like, in a marriage, you need two people.
01:35:52.760
If you lay down now the foundation of what she's getting into.
01:35:55.340
A woman cannot look up to a man who is her equal.
01:36:06.780
I believe a man should take care of a woman in every way.
01:36:09.120
And I think that's what he gets to do as a man.
01:36:11.300
And when you come across a real man, you will accept that because you'd be happy to be in his frame.
01:36:18.620
You want to be on that ride he's going to take you on.
01:36:22.940
Yes, but I'll tell you, a man is not going to sit there and listen to you tell him your standards because he's not.
01:36:32.100
I'm going to lay out a foundation of what I want in the relationship.
01:36:37.620
Jarry will no really cares about this woe is me backstory.
01:36:41.220
You came from a broken home and you dunked your dignity in the dumpster because you decided to not get professional help for your mental issues.
01:37:09.500
He's just firing red locks firmly in his face at his piercing gaze that cuts through my soul like a sharpened blade.
01:37:16.540
Ever since I discovered Waller, I got off Viagra.
01:37:33.660
We're going to go to a Burger King afterwards, Mike.
01:37:36.260
Can you tell me where the nearest Burger King is, 24 hours?
01:37:47.680
Mike Davis, do you own any Burger Kings in Miami?
01:37:58.420
Sorry, we got two TTSs that came through one right after the other.
01:38:04.360
Justin, did you want to come back in or did you?
01:38:09.520
I do believe that a man is going to want to take charge and control the relationship.
01:38:13.220
And oftentimes I think that women, particularly ones like you that are going to be a bit more headstrong,
01:38:17.980
they're going to want to hold on to their independence until they find a man that they find is worth letting go.
01:38:23.560
What's really hard for a woman nowadays is to find a man worth the fuck enough for you to be able to let go.
01:38:28.420
And I think that will be one of your biggest challenges moving forward, particularly because of how headstrong you are.
01:38:35.260
If you find that right guy and he comes through and he's just like you, just everything that you think you want is, no offense, not true.
01:38:42.400
When that man walks into your life and you're going to know, you're going to be able to put a lot of walls down that you wouldn't previously be able to put down
01:38:48.400
because the man is worth you being able to do it.
01:38:50.780
And when you trust you can be inside his frame and you're safe inside of that, you will let go.
01:38:55.320
So that's what you said was that she's going to have a hard time finding a guy because of how headstrong she is.
01:39:04.520
And her particularly, she's a little bit more voice.
01:39:07.000
I think that that is something that gets in the way of me finding a guy because I'm.
01:39:25.440
I think that that comes off as intimidating to a lot of guys.
01:39:36.580
I actually think it's the, I think it's the pipeline more than anything.
01:39:45.800
I would find a local chapter of the SPCA and start volunteering there.
01:39:50.460
I would find as many soup kitchens and food pantries as I could and start volunteering there.
01:39:56.060
I have found empathetic human beings are the ones that you probably want to be with, people who show a level of kindness.
01:40:01.800
I throw charity events specifically for one of the reasons is you, generally people who are narcissists and psychopaths can't keep coming to charities where they don't get anything out of it.
01:40:10.040
Wounded warriors, anything for underprivileged children, shout out to the Midnight Mission in Los Angeles, shout out to Operations Blankets of Love, a domestic abuse charity, anything like that.
01:40:18.960
The people that are associated with that, I would not only would I try to find, meet other people I want to group with,
01:40:26.680
For me, frequently, it used to be my first date would be, it would be somebody that was interested in, we'd go volunteer at a soup kitchen.
01:40:34.220
Because the reason why is like a lot of the times you guys are talking about like cruelty and a lack of empathy.
01:40:38.740
I promise you that will work better than Tinder when it comes to personality if you guys started doing that.
01:40:43.800
But I haven't heard any of you say that because your method by which you're meeting people tends to be solely online.
01:40:49.820
And listen, I know Roland and I talk about this all the time.
01:40:52.220
Instagram is the number one dating app in the world.
01:40:53.900
And I agree that it's the number one dating app in the world, but it used to not be like that.
01:40:57.120
I'm old, and I remember when it wasn't like that before.
01:41:00.180
And so I would recommend you guys try some IRL stuff where you're actually volunteering and trying to serve other people.
01:41:06.380
And when you find somebody else in that method, especially with your values as a Christian,
01:41:10.840
I think you're going to be shocked at how awesome it is.
01:41:15.060
I mean finding someone else who's doing something for wounded warriors or especially for animal rescue.
01:41:23.960
So that's what I would recommend for all of you guys.
01:41:26.260
If you're having trouble finding someone who's compassionate or finding someone who's trustworthy, that's what I would do.
01:41:31.260
If I could just add to that, Michael, good chance you'll find a good guy at those places.
01:41:35.860
You might also find someone who committed like a misdemeanor and they're doing community service hours.
01:41:50.160
There's a bit of psychopathy that works for love.
01:41:58.940
Everybody deserves kindness to a certain extent.
01:42:01.860
You could help all these people, don't get me wrong, in a homeless shelter.
01:42:07.720
And some of them have some roughed-up lives where they were a child and they messed up and now they can't progress as an adult in life.
01:42:18.680
But then there's other people who have came from a great lifestyle, great parents.
01:42:25.480
And then with drugs, they messed up and then now they're in a washed-up place.
01:42:31.000
Yeah, I think we're confusing you for two different things.
01:42:34.560
You don't need to date, but I'm just saying I do help them.
01:42:42.660
And they do show that progress that they want to change.
01:42:47.140
Everyone needs a little bit of realization of their lifestyle.
01:42:56.560
He's saying when you go there, there will be people there that you might want.
01:43:02.560
I specifically build my friend groups around charity.
01:43:05.960
Were you saying to meet somebody there to continue going on those?
01:43:15.260
Oh, to meet someone there and then continue going with them.
01:43:20.540
I'm just saying that people in this world deserve a certain amount of kindness to a certain extent.
01:43:26.860
When you see a homeless person out in the streets by the freeways and everything asking for money,
01:43:44.580
I mean, we can talk about the nuances of humanitarian work, but kind of unrelated, you know?
01:43:52.020
Honestly, I love your advice, but most people, most people I know nowadays, they don't want a good guy.
01:44:00.000
I think I might be able to fix this with a sentence.
01:44:01.700
You want a man that can slit a throat and hold a baby in the same day.
01:44:08.780
So he's at Michael's event, but he could also be Michael when Michael was in the military.
01:44:12.500
I'm sorry, was that sarcasm or were you actually mean for real?
01:44:15.360
No, I mean for real, like a lot of people, like the partners that they choose, I don't know.
01:44:24.020
If you would be with somebody who would slit a throat and hold a baby at the same time.
01:44:29.640
I want someone who isn't afraid of guns and shit.
01:44:34.360
I don't want a fucking soy boy liberal cuck or whatever.
01:44:37.120
You want a man that could be good with your kids and at the same time kill somebody that
01:45:08.000
To the panel, what was it you dreamt of doing with your life when you were little?
01:45:14.860
Just trying to understand this lost generation.
01:45:18.840
So what was it you dreamt of doing with your life when you were little?
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I was doing that for a bit, and then I lost my record deal, and now I'm doing OnlyFans.
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OnlyFans is an aspect of media, sure, but I also have a TikTok.
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But even if I was just doing OnlyFans, I would consider that fulfilling at sure.
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But the question is, what was it you dreamt of doing with your life when you were little?
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Did I specifically dream of doing OnlyFans when I was little?
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Honestly, when I was little, I wanted to be a police officer, but I changed it.
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No, but I'm currently working so that I can get my car and continue going to school.
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I just want to be happy, and I want to make other people happy.
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Is there nothing more specific than just be happy?
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I want to find what makes me happy, and I want to make other people happy at the same
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Like, I'm not sure what will make me happy, but I want to find it.
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My dream as a child was to do something big with my life, I think make a big difference,
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and later on it was being a trauma nurse, which I have found that, and then I'm moving
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You guys got this, and nurses in general, but even the ER gets tiring.
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You feel like you're not doing enough in there.
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I always wanted to be a model and actress, but I kind of gave up on acting stuff, and now
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I suppose this is asked to the rest of the panel, so...
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I always wanted to be a Longhorn, and I ended up doing that, and then it was never my dream
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to fly for the Air Force, but I ended up doing that.
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It's tough, but I think maybe working in radio, but I sort of ended up doing that with a podcast,
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I was an instructor navigator on the KC-135, yeah.
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Okay, but in the military, you were not a pilot?
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Yeah, and I worked in counterintelligence near the end of my career.
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But then, you said in your civilian life, you're a pilot?
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When I was a kid, I always said I was going to be a businessman.
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I don't think I knew what I meant, but it couldn't have worked out better, man.
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And when I was a kid, let's see, when I was 10, I wanted to be ace freely.
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No, I mean, I always wanted to be a touring musician, which I got to do for quite some
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time when I was in the late 80s and early 90s, and I still play in a band right now.
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I don't think a lot of people really get that from me, because when I'm doing what I do here
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right now, they think I'm super analytical, but I actually am very much, as you can tell
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from my thumbnails, I'm very much an artist, too.
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So I've always been an artist, and I do exactly what I wanted to do.
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At one point, I wanted to be a magician, and that didn't work out.
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Brian, it depends on if you go terminal, low tower, or en route radar.
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En route gets paid way more, but it's significantly harder.
01:50:00.300
Aspen, have you ever listened to the Bible in a year podcast with Father Mike?
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As a traditional guy, I look at women that sleep with a lot of men as someone that is
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A man that is willing to sleep with a lot of women are willing to emotionally damage ladies
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I think you don't necessarily want to have kids with everyone you have sex with.
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And it's more so with women than men, where women will, like, again, the oxytocin release
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that happens after a woman has sex with a man is more powerful in women than it is
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But I think cognitively, I'm not sure if that's the case.
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No, it's just the argument for licking the ice cream.
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And some guys get to go into the ice cream store earlier or, like, at all, go in there.
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And what they do is they go and lick every flavor of ice cream.
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So when everybody else goes in there, they realize that, oh, hey, this ice cream's been
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But it's a metaphor for the fact that guys, there's this belief that a certain percentage
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of guys are going and essentially sleeping with all the women and then damaging those
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And then those women, when they find the real guy, when they finally get to be 28, 29,
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30 years old, and they're trying to do the right thing, then they're damaged goods.
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And all because some sinister group of very elite men, a small percentage of them, have
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ruined those women because they had had sex with them.
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Well, the problem with your estimate there is you also have to remember that women choose
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to have sex with those guys in the first place.
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I think that, you know, there's a certain level of man that can go through an alpha widow
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So you need to compete very, very hard, understand where you fall in the rank of things, and put
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yourself in a position to be the highest level of man that she could be with.
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Because until you do that, then there's not really a conversation.
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I'll just keep rolling through them and all the other guys like me will.
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That's why everybody watching this shit should work so fucking hard.
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Be the best man you can possibly be, because if you love your wife, even if it's your future
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wife, you are going to be faced with this scenario.
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And that's the only way that you're going to win, my friend.
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When you say faced with that scenario, what do you mean?
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So every man is going to compete after he's married, regardless.
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I mean, respectfully, by the way, it is very, very real.
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And it is something that you're constantly going to be doing in your life is competing.
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And it's very important that you realize that and accept that ugly truth of the world.
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You can get mad at women and blame it on women.
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But the truth of the matter is, unless you're doing the work to maximize every part of you
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in every way, then you should look at no one but yourself.
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So go find a mirror, my friend, instead of typing on this channel and talking shit about
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So all you can do is build yourself up to the man that she would never leave.
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Yeah, his argument that it's unhealthy for men to run through a bunch of women is not
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going to stop men, especially high-status men, from doing exactly that.
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Yeah, and the fact that you complain about it isn't going to change it either.
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Like, again, on one hand, we have, you know, 17, 18 years of Facebook.
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And on the other hand, we have 300,000 years of homo sapien evolution.
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And women will be hypergamous, and men will compete with other men over women.
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That is not something that happened because of the United States of America or because
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That is something that has been the same since we were descended from Australopithecus.
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I believe this is in response to Mike Davis's comments towards Justin that were perhaps
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Mike Davis seems to take a liking to sometimes the men on the panel.
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It's a really tricky position because he's being so nice to me.
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On behalf of the military homies, are military guys red flags in the dating scene?
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I've actually never dated or matched with a guy in the military.
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I suppose, I mean, PCS, TDYs, like, you're caused to travel on deployments and stuff.
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But it's honestly the military men get taken advantage of more than they're the red flags.
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There was a show called Army Wives, I believe, on CBS that just illustrated this entire point.
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It's women, especially after World War II, guys would be deployed for two years.
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They'd come back, and it was like a 75% divorce rate after that.
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Yeah, there's women who just scour around Fort Hood, you know, is looking for –
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I got a follow-up question for you, but let them finish.
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But they just scour around Fort Hood looking for any, like, second lieutenant they can get their hands on or any – you know, it's just – so I think it's quite the opposite as far as being a red flag.
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Most military guys I know don't have the ability to cheat.
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When you do a 15-month deployment in Iraq, you don't have the ability to cheat, so.
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It's because I just don't like that feeling of just waiting for somebody.
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I have that as a person, and I invest all this with a person that's completely far away.
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And now this person has a lot of other things in his, you know, view at this point.
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He doesn't have time for that person that's waiting at home.
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I'm going to say yes due to personal experience and also, like, other people's point of view.
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That was my seven-month situation, situationship.
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But, like, for example, I would, like, you're not allowed to do this, but I would also sleep in his barracks.
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And I would hear a lot of the rumors that was happening.
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For example, he has this friend who is, has a fiance.
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And they would have girls over at their rooms all the time.
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They have these things called barrack bunnies or something like that.
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Yeah, desert queens is when you're deployed in barrack bunnies.
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I think the other thing we have to differentiate is, I think you're talking about enlisted infantry, and there's a big difference between that, or just enlisted in general.
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Well, I'm talking about enlisted, and I'm talking about other people as well that were outside.
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For example, like, I, obviously I have girlfriends, and then his friends would be like, hey, like, set me up with your girlfriends.
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And I'd be like, you guys already have somebody, though.
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Then they'd be like, okay, but they wouldn't have to know.
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I don't think you can judge everybody by the actions of a few.
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I don't think you can judge people by the actions of a few like that.
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I think if a man is willing to put his life on the line to learn how to protect our country and to protect me, I think that that's not a red flag.
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Hey, maybe I'm biased because my uncle is a Marine, was a Marine.
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I have nothing but respect for members of the military.
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Honestly, it wouldn't be a red flag at all because one that shows that the guy is very willing to die for his country, which means that he, you know, he has a good guy.
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Oh, yeah, I love this country and it would raise eyebrows just because one of my life goals is to have my husband with my kids there as much as possible.
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I can see how some girls wouldn't want to, like, deal with, like, dating somebody actually, like, currently active duty, like, in the military because of the whole, like, waiting game or whatever.
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Do you guys know the percentage of Americans who served in the military?
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Yeah, the number is 6% of people have ever served, and that's active duty, reserve, or anything like that.
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A lot of people don't realize is, like, less than 1% of the U.S. population is currently in the military.
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And so, yeah, it's actually a much lower number than people think.
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They did a YouGov survey, and people thought it was somewhere in the 40s.
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That 40% of Americans, or no, they thought 65% of Americans had served in the military.
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No, it's about 6% of people living right now have ever served in the military.
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Can I have you scoot your microphone to the edge of the table?
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All right, we have a super chat here from AGM 1991.
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There is a woman that I'm interested in, and I feel a connection with her.
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Get your relationship with God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and God's Word, and KJV.
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There's a woman that I'm interested in, and I feel a connection with her.
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I feel like I need more information here, but...
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I feel like he needs to be telling that girl the advice he just gave you when he asked
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No, I think that was meant for Aspen, because there's another one under this that said, oh,
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I need more information, but I just can say what I want.
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I just want to be treated like I'm the prettiest princess in all the land.
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Out of curiosity, have you ever gone out with a guy who didn't treat you like you were
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A guy who maybe was a little harder to get, to go out with a night?
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If only you really understood the relationship between real men and what they deserve.
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Top G types and what they really look for is totally not what you get.
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If the girl second from the left could find a guy worth having, we could save the world.
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I would say be somebody that can lead her towards the Lord and also someone that can cut a throat
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Sorry guys, I'm adjusting something here on my laptop.
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While I do that, is there anything, this is a question I often ask, is there anything dating
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So either something that you specifically want to ask, maybe a question you want some
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advice on, men are pissing you off in some way.
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Is there anything dating related you want to get off your chest?
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I don't want, I mean, I'm not having luck in the dating department, but I'm not going
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So, is there anything dating related that you want to get off your chest?
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So, any specific topic that you'd like to talk about related to dating or maybe when
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it comes to dating, men are pissing you off in some way.
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Well, they seem to be traditional, so I'd like to talk about like what their standards
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Because you're willing to provide 100% for a woman.
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So, when I asked earlier, strings attached, I didn't mean in terms of her putting out for
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I meant like what woman qualifies for that treatment.
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I think positive feedback, giving appreciation.
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See, the beautiful thing about love really is that when you give to your family, your
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That's the beautiful thing about love is to be able to take care of somebody to provide
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Ideally, somebody that is very intelligent, that I can connect with on an intellectual
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Particularly if it's going to be any kind of long-term thing, not short-term, like just
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Like if I'm going to be around this person for a while, I'm going to want to respect them
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And also, I want that person to be on my mission with me, like supporting my mission.
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So, particularly, like let's say I met a girl like you.
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If you were doing OnlyFans, at some point, you would, ideally, you would recognize the
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path that I'm on and want to get behind that program and support that program with all of
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So, I think a man should be able to give a woman a mission to get on with him, but is
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A man should be the leader in the relationship, and for that reason, I'd want a woman that
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could get inside of my frame and be happy, happy to be there.
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So, in a nutshell, that's what I'd be looking for.
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Okay, so you wouldn't want the woman to get off OnlyFans because it's like sex work, but
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just because that's her individual career path and you'd want her to kind of like abandon
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her career for your path, or specifically because it's OnlyFans slash sex work?
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Like I probably wouldn't like that if I'm being 100% with you, but as far as her wanting
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to do something that she's passionate about, if she wanted to work, and for whatever reason
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she had a passion in some area, I would support that.
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Ideally, she'd want to help me with my mission, but if she wanted to do something that she
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Would I look past it to get to a place where I could build her to somewhere else?
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And I think that is a man's job, is to build a woman up to where he wants to go.
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For example, if you meet a woman, you should be wanting to build her up so you can take
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her with you to meet those millionaires that are going to invest in your deal, or the billionaires
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A man's job should be, in part, to build a woman up to the highest level he possibly can.
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So it's an investment that the man puts into a woman to try to build her up and make her
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the perfect partner for him, and that's just a part of it.
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Because depending where you fall in the red pill spectrum, or even not the red pill spectrum,
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some guys consider a woman going to parties, or even having a public Instagram account
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I would probably have the password to that Instagram account if it got very serious.
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And she wouldn't have a problem with that, because she'd want to be inside my frame.
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Women don't want space for men they're actually in love with.
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But in fact, women want nothing more to be enthralled by a man that they actually want.
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At that point, you would want to do everything that it took to be a part of that man's life,
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because you were truly, truly in love with him.
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So how does she feel your genuine love, just from the financial aspect of you caring for her and building her up?
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It's very, very important that the people in the Red Pill space start to include the fact that you're there for her.
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I also say a lot that a man should be the mountain that a woman's emotional waves crash into.
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Like, he's truly there for this woman in every way.
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But listen, if it's not me and you against the world, if the love's not dark, if it's not me and you against everything that everybody's saying,
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Because that's that boring shit that ends up going off anyway.
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So many people get married every day in America.
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They make these vows to be, you know, hey, I'm going to be the best man I can be and all this other stuff.
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But they come home, they pop open a beer, and they get fat.
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You want a man that's actually on a mission, that's out there trying to do something so he can make your dreams come true and take you on a carpet ride through time and space.
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I completely agree with the notion that a relationship should be two individuals building each other up and pushing each other.
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I'm just trying to investigate the asymmetry and why you would have her passwords but not vice versa.
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Is it that you'd want to monitor the messages before they come in so that she doesn't see them first?
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But it's just a trust thing between me and a woman.
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Like, you would want me to have your passwords.
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If you were in love with said man, you would either want to either get off of it.
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Or, yeah, because you have to understand, as a man, like you, for example, beautiful woman.
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I think you've been pretty impenetrable on this show.
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But your marketing yourself on the internet would be a no-go for me.
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Because if you were truly, truly giving yourself away to a man, you wouldn't market on the internet.
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And I do look at it as marketing when a woman has her titties all over the internet.
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That's just if it were my girl and I'm the person that's doing everything I can to fight and make her life 10x would it be without me,
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My issue more is when men have asymmetrical standards.
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So they want a girl who's not showing her titties on Instagram, but then their explore page is full of Instagram models,
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and they're liking their posts, or they're watching porn.
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So for me, if I found a guy who wouldn't want me on Instagram, and that was the love of my life,
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I would just want him to not be on Instagram either.
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If you want my passwords, the same cuts both ways.
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And if anything, it makes more sense for the girl to have the guy's passwords,
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because guys will be the first to argue that guys are the first to stray.
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Just related to the asymmetry thing, so I kind of want to add a little bit to that.
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So, for example, do you think that a guy who desires a woman with a low body count,
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who doesn't have a promiscuous past, yet, for example, he might be promiscuous,
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or he's got a bunch of women, or he has a high body count,
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Because you mentioned you have an issue with asymmetry.
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Like I said, I think it's your prerogative to find someone who matches your values.
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I don't think that maps onto body count, because, for instance,
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you can't deduce how selective she is, because that could be...
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No, you can deduce she's not selective, but she has 80 bodies.
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Wouldn't you argue women have access to fuck every single man on this planet?
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I'm saying context is important, and I wouldn't...
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Context is important, and I wouldn't reduce it to just a number.
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For instance, body count usually just refers to penile vaginal sex.
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Like, would you consider her selective if she has just a ton of lesbian sex?
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They don't care if you fuck 1,000 women, but one guy, they care about it.
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I don't really want to get AIDS, so yes, I do care if they fuck 1,000 women.
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Sure, but typically the traditional body count conversation doesn't care about that.
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You're looking for a fair situation, but newsflash, the light world is not fair.
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That man is going to get up and go through stress every day and face the challenges of the world
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I know it's not a good thing to say, but it is absolutely true.
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And you are at the top of your sexual marketplace value.
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You're not at 30 where you're out of time and you want to have children and you're absolutely
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in love with a man and he loves you in every way and you feel safe around him.
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So you can't see an outcome where you would give a little to take a little back.
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But I will tell you this, when you get up higher in age and the clock's ticking and that man's
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good to you and you trust him and you feel safe around him and he's truly your best friend
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and you look up to him, admire him, then you might think differently about how you feel
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And I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm just telling you that your opinion might change
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My point was in response to his, which is would I have a problem with the asymmetry of
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wanting a woman with a low body count while having a high one?
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And I would because what I consider a valid reason for preferring a partner with a low
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body count is that it's better for pair bonding.
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You're less likely, if you don't have that propensity to seek novelty, you're less likely
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People who are more promiscuous, they tend to be more unfaithful.
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The studies clearly show that it is far, far more likely the case with women than men.
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In fact, in some cases, after a certain amount, it's negligible with men.
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With over 20, when women have slept with over 20 men, it's like a 17% chance that she's
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But the thing, the question you asked before, what is the one thing before you went to the
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bathroom that you're most upset about with dating?
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That is the one thing I'm the most upset about.
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People are listening to Oprah Winfrey and Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg and Dr. Phil.
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They're not listening to Dr. David Buss and Steven Stewart-Williams and Gad Saad.
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There's studies on every one of these questions that we have, and they've been handled.
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Hypergamy is not something that is created that's cultural.
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My point was that guys are seeking virgins, so the reciprocity of that would be a guy
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And like you just said, you can cite a study that proves that when both partners are virgins,
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there's a higher, like the pair bonding is more intense.
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Yeah, but you're not going to be attracted to a man that's a virgin.
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But guys typically, when they talk about body count, their ideal body count is zero in a
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I'll say a single digit number is probably what you're looking for as a man.
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Like I said, I don't think you can deduce selectiveness from a number because context
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You could have gone through a breakup and been traumatized and maybe fucked 80 people in
02:13:57.620
one week, but then you were abstinent for six years.
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I just think, okay, you're overcomplicating things.
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I don't think anyone wants to sleep with a woman or get, settle down with a woman who
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I know you're breaking it down, but it's something that doesn't need to be broken down.
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Most people, if they hear that you have 80 bodies, they'll be like, I bet she fucking
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Let me tag something on at the end of that there.
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The reason why men have a sexual, I won't say revulsion response, because there's a human
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revulsion response, but it's intense for certain things like you want to get away from
02:14:39.820
You want to get away from things that smell, like feces.
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There are things that human beings are instinctually want to get themselves away from.
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When you're looking for, when a woman, it seems like she's easy or she's had 80 bodies,
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or she has children from another man, there is a hesitation in men that is instinctual.
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The reason for that is because that woman represents a bad bet for his paternity.
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That's why the body count matters to guys, and it doesn't matter quite as much to women.
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For a guy who has a high body count, I believe it was Sterling who was saying this, is that
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that is one of the highest ways of demonstrating higher value, or pre-selection, that's what
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was because if a guy knows his way around your body better than you do, you know he fucks.
02:15:28.300
You know that he has been rewarded by other men, or other men, other women, who have had
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sex with him in the past enough so he has the experience to know what he's doing in the
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So there's that aspect, but then the other part of it is this, is that the reason why
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promiscuity works one way for men and it does not work for women is because of that paternity.
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It's the understanding and the ascertaining whether or not the child is his child.
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Because for, since we were living in hunter-gatherer groups on the sub-Saharan African plains.
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Yeah, so we, men have, it's been in our biological, evolutionary, innate interests to know or to
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try to ascertain whether or not the baby is our baby.
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That's why when women and men get jealous because of infidelity, men tend to focus on the physical
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Those are the particulars that guys want to know when infidelity takes place.
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When a woman gets jealous because of infidelity, it's, do you love her?
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Is my long-term security with this guy, is that in danger?
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That's why that's where that jealousy comes from.
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So there's differences because men and women are different and we have different priorities
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when it comes to reproduction as well as family creation as well.
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So when we're talking about 80 bodies, when you say, hey, I've had, I've had 80, 80 guys,
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that's eight, that's a pool of 80 men in which one of those guys or probably some of those
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guys could have been the guy that you can't get over.
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Or maybe he's the guy that whether he did or he didn't doesn't make any difference, but
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he's still thinking like on a, on a hindbrain, lizard brain level that there's a possibility
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that she was impregnated by one of these guys and she can't get over that guy.
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I just love that we revert to these primordial justifications for wanting a woman with a low
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body count when guys are fucking with condoms, when guys find it hot when girls are on birth
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If guys' main prerogative is to like spread their seed, then why is it they're looking
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I'm saying we use biology as an excuse when reality biology refers to life and life's processes
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and our capacity, our capacity for culture, our capacity for culture falls under biology.
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Our development of paternity tests, birth control, condoms, that all falls under biology and
02:17:55.960
You don't get society, you don't get social construction without biology first that drives
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Yeah, I think you're over-intellectualizing a lot of this.
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Like you said, it could be boiled down to biology.
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So the problem is, what people will do is they'll say, this man is just, what is it,
02:18:20.940
a small dick energy or whatever thing that they have to say to make or denigrate men for
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And the reality is, these things happen because men have 17 times as much testosterone as women.
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And throughout our evolutionary history, we are the ones that were the disposable gender.
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And because of that, we compete with other men for women.
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The men who make it to the top throughout history have had more sexual partners.
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You have every right to think it's wrong if you want to think it's wrong.
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But it's not hypocritical because we're different.
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If you and I were to join the Marine Corps, I have to do more push-ups than you because
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the world is different for men than it is for women.
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If you and I were to join the fire department, I have to do more pull-ups than you because
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I am not sure of the paternity of the child, of your child, but you always are.
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And because of that reason, your body count will always matter more than mine.
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That's a justification for not being polyamorous, not for not having a high body count.
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So that makes sense why you wouldn't want your girlfriend to be fucking 10 guys at once
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If a girl fucked 80 guys 10 years ago and has been abstinent still, how does that justification
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Okay, I also just wanted to say, on the topic of biology, women literally, they menstruate
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The more they're exposed to testosterone, the more they have sex, the more their cycle
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will align with that because of a very biological thing.
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My point is that you're just intellectualizing, again, something that is very basic.
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Basically, because women, sorry, sorry, I'm not finished.
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I mean, you said you were in cod lobby, so you should be used to this, right?
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What I was just saying was that biologically, our bodies do.
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Yeah, our bodies do sort of correspond with males.
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Like, it's like the testosterone that they emit kind of triggers something in us, like the
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So you can't just intellectualize something when it's already so.
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Basically, the reason why men cheat is not because they don't like the girls.
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For us, like, when you sleep with a guy, we're emotionally invested.
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For a guy, he's not emotionally invested into us.
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Most of the time, it's just the heat of the moment.
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And then the next morning after, you know, that one-night stand, there's that post-nut
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clarity that he feels like he doesn't see a life with you.
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But, you know, he doesn't see a life with you, and he doesn't see you as a partner,
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And for a female, it's, you know, for guys, it's all performance.
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For females, we don't really do as much during, like, you know, when we're on the bed.
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Because what you're bringing up is kind of a common misperception, okay?
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It's like, well, and I see this in the chat as well here, is that it's like, it's no longer
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It's my biology made me do it, and we don't have any control over it.
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No, we absolutely are responsible for our own actions and for as far as the results
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and any of the consequences that come after that.
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And I'm not, you know, saying that we should be absolved of any of those things.
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The other thing is that you're conflating what's known as, it's, what is it,
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So, in an evolutionary perspective, I might want, like, when I met my wife for the first
02:21:47.140
time and I saw her at the club, I didn't go, hmm, I wonder if she'd be a really good mother
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I wonder if we could start a family together and we could reproduce and, like, my focus
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is on actually, you know, breeding with this woman that I just met in the club.
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The ultimate goal is having kids and having a family and everything else.
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Now, that ultimate goal is something that gets, that is also downstream, once again,
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So, proximate goal and ultimate goal are both downstream from the biological fact that this
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So, and Roller, you were making the argument, hey, it's kind of based in biology, paternity,
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I'm saying the objection could also be based in biology.
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My, my, my selfish, my selfish gene made me do it.
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I'm saying our involvement of culture is also biological.
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Like, like you said, culture follows downstream.
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But it's, but it's always, but our, our involvement of culture is always set up so that it fits
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We don't build cities made of sulfur and ammonia, right?
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We, because that, we're, they're toxic to human beings and we don't generally jump off,
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Our societies are created for the safety and procurement of, of homo sapiens.
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I think what you were kind of getting at is you were saying, well, when you have sex
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with someone, you know, you, you mentioned birth control, for example.
02:23:26.580
Well, why, you know, what's the deal with birth control?
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You know, you, you recall when you were saying that?
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So I guess my response to you is, well, if you're kind of saying men should disregard
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their sort of innate biological response to this, then shouldn't women also, for example,
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disregard their attraction towards men who are tall, for example, which has a root in
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I was saying men already disregard that biological need when they fuck with a condom on,
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because if they're, like, if their goal is to spread their seed, because that's what
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But he kind of made the differentiation between approximate desire and then ultimate desire.
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Or, or, or a conscious desire and a subconscious desire.
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Your, you have, you can cognitively, your genes have no contrast.
02:24:21.680
Your genes don't understand what contraceptives are.
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If your genes understood what contraceptives are, they never let you use them.
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Your genes want to replicate themselves, but you cognitively understand what contraceptives
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And that's where, that's where the, the, the conundrum comes in.
02:24:38.100
Like, you can, you can want to spread your seed.
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But you can also do that at a time where you're not ready to have a kid.
02:24:46.300
So your biology, your genes, everything is telling you, like, I want to go through with
02:24:51.020
Your brain up here is saying, I don't want a kid right now.
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Well, I would say also most people who are having sex, it's more for, it's like casual.
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I want to have just a little back and forth with you.
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A little bit, but it was more so, I guess you said it was a bit of a double standard,
02:25:16.940
Well, you say, okay, when it comes, like, for example, a guy who has a high body count,
02:25:20.200
you object to him desiring a partner who has a low body count.
02:25:24.240
But then how come short women can desire tall men?
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But basically, I mean, I guess my question to you is, is it wrong to desire things in
02:25:38.120
No, and I don't think that was the basis of my argument.
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We were talking about a study which posits that two virgins have the optimal marriage
02:25:51.320
Well, I think you're shifting a little bit because initially I think you were saying,
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well, it's, I don't know your exact wording, but it sounded like you objected to, for example,
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a guy who has a high body count desiring a woman with a low body count.
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In that specific instance, but I'm not saying, I'm not making the generalization that you
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I was saying in that specific instance, it doesn't map on because of the study we mentioned
02:26:15.320
It's just not reasonable to hope to, like, I'm just going to be honest with you, the probability
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of you, the person you marrying being a virgin is infinitesimally low.
02:26:24.380
I thought guys are more often virgins than girls.
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No matter what you tell us about your energy and the connection and the chemistry, no offense,
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like, I just don't believe that you fully understand what you're attracted to.
02:26:38.520
I think later on, once you come to the realization that you keep finding these certain individuals
02:26:43.020
attractive for certain reasons, and those reasons have to do with hypergamy, you're going
02:26:47.240
to come to the realization that the things that cause those men to be virgins are the reasons
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And the likelihood of you finding a man that you have chemistry with is far more likely
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with a man who is attractive to the opposite sex.
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So the likelihood of you finding a dude who is also a virgin is, it becomes progressively
02:27:05.740
lower, and probably lower the longer you wait, it becomes progressively lower.
02:27:09.880
I just wanted to go back to the point where you said, like, oh, they're fucking us with
02:27:15.680
I think the reason why they're fucking you with condoms, not you specifically, but in general,
02:27:20.540
Like, they don't want to fuck someone who might give them gonorrhea, in my opinion.
02:27:26.120
No, they want to fuck other girls that they don't want to get pregnant.
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I don't think she's wrong, but I don't know where that came from.
02:27:35.620
It was a dunk that came out of nowhere, but I don't know where that, I don't know how
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That was a good point, but I don't know how we got there.
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Like I said, I don't conflate selectiveness with body count.
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I want someone who's selective and has high standards, because to me, that's what correlates
02:28:05.720
Do you think there's men out there that would be with you and not slept with women that
02:28:13.900
So, for example, if you date a man, would you expect that all the women that he had slept with
02:28:19.620
Oh, that's not even technically what I meant by selectiveness.
02:28:22.060
I more so don't want to date a guy who's so horny and down bad that he gets like one
02:28:30.860
That's like the parameter I use, not body count.
02:28:33.940
Because you're over here saying that you yourself are not selective, but you want the guy to
02:28:40.840
Well, no, but you were saying how you don't care if they're fat, if they're this, if they're
02:28:45.780
that, if they have more money, if they have less money.
02:28:47.800
I'm selective just using a different metric than you are.
02:28:51.780
So you just want them to be smart and funny, basically.
02:28:54.220
Yeah, I would say that's still highly selective.
02:29:04.340
It's just, they're overrepresented by, you know, sorry, I'm going to go down a path and
02:29:15.080
I just wanted to kind of put a cherry on top on our little conversation.
02:29:17.780
So what I was kind of getting at, and I don't know if you've kind of almost walked back
02:29:21.960
your position a little bit, but I think it's this whole thing of women objecting, for example,
02:29:27.520
to a man who has a high body count and he doesn't want a woman with a high body count
02:29:35.580
I mean, women desire traits in men all the time that they don't possess themselves.
02:29:41.060
They want a guy who's funny, but they're not funny.
02:29:43.680
They want a guy who's rich, but she's not rich.
02:29:47.280
They want a guy who's charismatic, but she's not charismatic.
02:29:51.040
So, I mean, I think it's both men and women desire traits in partners that they themselves
02:30:01.020
Sure, if I prefer a brunette guy over blonde, that's a preference.
02:30:04.240
When guys talk about preferring a girl who's a virgin, that's not their preference.
02:30:08.300
They're saying a girl who's a virgin, they're saying a girl, it's a preference.
02:30:12.180
It's a preference on the fact that they think that girl is less likely going to cheat.
02:30:16.780
When I prefer a brunette, it's not because I think he's going to be a better husband.
02:30:19.000
It's not because I think it'll propagate the nuclear family in America more than a blonde.
02:30:22.680
But when they talk about girls with low body counts, that's kind of what they're propagating.
02:30:25.460
So what you're saying is that it's a more valid preference?
02:30:31.220
I'm saying they're not really referring to preference.
02:30:33.200
They're saying there's a reason they use the term low-value woman.
02:30:35.820
I'm not calling a brunette a high-value guy or a blonde a low-value guy.
02:30:39.680
Red Pillars will call a girl with a high body count low value and a girl who's a virgin high value.
02:30:45.480
They're mapping it onto what they consider objective virtues.
02:30:48.260
If I prefer a woman with a low body count, isn't that a preference?
02:30:52.660
It is, but you know the sphere we're referring to, the red pill sphere.
02:30:57.100
A man who has never even heard of these terms could have a preference.
02:31:17.120
What marks a preference is subjectivity, but when guys talk about girls with low body
02:31:20.380
counts, they're typically thinking of it in an objective way.
02:31:23.000
So even a guy who's not red pill, they'll probably say, this girl with a low body count
02:31:29.020
That's why it's still a preference, but do you understand what I'm saying?
02:31:31.700
But that judgment is based on their biology, and it's based on subconscious effects that's
02:31:36.200
happened through evolutionary psychology, right?
02:31:37.640
But it's not really a preference for them specifically.
02:31:39.780
They're saying it's a preference for their gender.
02:31:45.480
They want to fuck whores, but they don't want to, like, wear them.
02:31:46.940
Every man wants a slut, he just wants her to be his slut.
02:31:50.740
Every man wants a slut, he just wants her to be his.
02:31:52.780
So if I like brunettes over blunts, I'm not going to say girls prefer brunettes over
02:31:56.240
When guys say, I have a preference for low body count, typically they say guys prefer
02:32:00.620
Do you understand why that's not necessarily a preference?
02:32:02.820
Because they're not speaking specifically for themselves.
02:32:05.720
That's why I'm saying it's more of a philosophy.
02:32:07.140
I prefer vanilla ice cream over poop ice cream, and that's because of my genetics.
02:32:13.500
Let's go back to this other thing you were saying.
02:32:16.760
I know several men, and I have several clients that are under six feet tall, and they don't
02:32:23.280
They have a harder time with women than taller men.
02:32:25.600
That preference is also based in evolution, and we as men are fully aware of it.
02:32:29.740
Do you think that's also a double standard that women have towards men?
02:32:32.360
Do women create a culture of podcasting and memes ridiculing men who are under six feet
02:32:48.300
I'm just saying I have yet to see a blue pill podcast.
02:32:50.900
No, it's not blue pill podcast because they don't.
02:33:00.080
They crucify men, and they actually show, when you look at dating apps, they show Tinder,
02:33:06.580
They show a distribution of what women find attractive, and 6'3 is actually the prime number.
02:33:11.200
Once you get above 6'3", 6'6, it actually starts to drop.
02:33:17.820
This doesn't happen in Europe because they use the metric system, but in the United States,
02:33:29.900
They're not being chosen selectively, and they're being made fun of for being short.
02:33:34.620
I listen to women talk all the time, and one of the main complaints is he's a great guy,
02:33:45.240
When I said I wouldn't fuck a fat bitch, you got mad.
02:33:47.440
But all of a sudden, now that height is into the equation for men, it's okay?
02:33:54.340
Some of you got mad at the whole entire fat bitch thing.
02:34:04.600
That has everything to do with it because height, it's in the same way.
02:34:09.440
It's an innate preference if you want to use those terms, but there's a difference between
02:34:15.940
saying, I want a girl who's got like a brunette girl and a blonde girl, whatever.
02:34:20.640
That's, yeah, that's a fetish, a preference, whatever.
02:34:23.140
But the reason why I am hesitant to get with a single mommy is because I have 100,000, 200,000
02:34:30.240
years of evolution that says that woman is provably already raising the child, or I would have
02:34:42.220
It is a biological adaptation to be aware that if I go and I put my resources towards
02:34:49.340
raising that, you know, participating in the parental investment of another man's child-
02:34:56.980
Mia Khalifa, you're failing to understand that the double standard of promiscuity applies
02:35:06.300
For Institute for Family Studies, multiple sex partners reduced marital quality for women
02:35:16.580
Yeah, I would say in general, women aren't necessarily more or less attracted to men based
02:35:20.440
off their body count, but if we're trying to propagate the healthiest and most successful
02:35:24.640
institution of marriage, that's based off both partners being virgins until marriage.
02:35:28.560
The original point you made was about a double standard, and the thing is, let's bring up
02:35:34.120
For me, being afraid to be with a woman who's been with 80 guys, there's actual studies that
02:35:39.680
show, from an evolutionary standpoint, Institute for Family Studies, the study he just brought
02:35:43.760
up, there's actual studies that show that, that could be deleterious for my relationship.
02:35:48.460
For you to choose a man who's under six feet tall, some of the best fighters on the planet
02:35:54.140
Some of the baddest Marines and Navy SEALs on Earth are under six feet tall.
02:35:59.800
And so the point is, where you're provisioning, the reason why women prefer tall men is for
02:36:05.140
The protection paradigm doesn't fit anymore in 2023, because a guy who's five, six can
02:36:12.820
So what we have to believe, as far as our prejudice against a woman with a high body count, still
02:36:19.280
It's still an effective protection for us in 2023.
02:36:22.780
But women choosing taller men is actually irrational.
02:36:26.880
Jeff Bezos, like, it's actually irrational for you to do that.
02:36:30.960
That's the reason why, for our preference, both of these preferences are based in evolution.
02:36:35.120
But our preference actually still makes sense, whereas the preference for tall men actually,
02:36:38.660
and I'm saying this as a guy who's six two, the preference for tall men actually doesn't
02:36:45.140
So I actually think the women, men choosing women with a low body count actually makes more
02:36:50.260
sense from an evolutionary standpoint, is not a philosophy, and is actually just a preference
02:36:54.440
You see, and just one thing really quick, you said that you seem to have an issue if we
02:37:01.480
So if on an individual level a guy says, I don't want a girl with a high body count, you
02:37:09.660
But if a guy were to say, men, generally speaking, don't want women who are promiscuous or don't
02:37:15.540
want women with high body count, then that becomes a what?
02:37:21.600
I didn't say it's a philosophy because of the plurality.
02:37:23.580
I said it's a philosophy because it's usually tied to the idea that this is what's better
02:37:27.880
The downfall of Western society is because of female promiscuity.
02:37:30.880
That's usually what gets conflated in with this idea with low body count.
02:37:33.800
Well, I mean, you're taking it in an interesting direction.
02:37:36.220
Would it also be a philosophy then to say that if a woman were to say, generally speaking,
02:37:45.520
Is that a philosophy or is that just an acknowledgment of women's?
02:37:49.660
It's a philosophy if they talk about it in a reciprocal way to the way they just did.
02:37:54.020
So if I were to say tall men are objectively better, and if I was like a tall man supremacist
02:37:57.920
because I said short men are less than, tall men are what we need for protection, but usually
02:38:02.780
women aren't even necessarily thinking about protection like he was saying, it's kind of
02:38:08.580
They are, but he was asking what delineates between the preference and the philosophy,
02:38:22.720
My question is, I know that the height thing is actually like a real issue for girls.
02:38:30.660
Men following model types doesn't mean they want one.
02:38:36.880
A cheater is a cheater with slash out social media.
02:38:43.820
Have ladies lost trust to be dependent on men and let them lead?
02:38:48.980
Yo, Ivan, thank you for the big $200 super chat, man.
02:38:53.720
You need to take us to Burger King with all these $200 super chats.
02:39:09.540
My question was, how can we, so I really liked your point about it actually still being a
02:39:15.740
problem for women to have high body counts, but it's really not a problem for guys to
02:39:28.480
I actually think a function of gratitude and maybe, here's the issue that happens, and
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this isn't the solution, but this is part of the problem.
02:39:36.180
What happens is a girl will go through her life and she'll be pretty average on social
02:39:44.960
For women, women can be average and still slide into a celebrity's DMs and still have sex with
02:39:49.920
There's numerous stories about Leonardo DiCaprio, numerous about different guys just running
02:40:00.340
And their rosters never end, okay, when it comes to that.
02:40:03.600
The problem is, is once she has sex with Blake Griffin the first time or Nick Cannon or whoever,
02:40:08.480
every man from that point afterwards, she compares to, or rather, she measures her value
02:40:14.200
based on the fact that she fucked an NBA power forward.
02:40:16.440
Now, every guy after that has to compare to the NBA power forward, and when he doesn't
02:40:21.200
because of his finances or his height or whatever reason, she has an easier escape route.
02:40:26.640
It's easier to pull the ripcord and to get out because she already knows that she could
02:40:33.620
She can be the one to wife him up or for her to be wifed up, and I see this several times
02:40:39.960
where I have a lot of my female friends who are delusional who live in Los Angeles, and
02:40:43.980
they're saying, yeah, so-and-so, I used to date so-and-so.
02:40:51.200
That dude never claimed you for one fucking second in his life.
02:40:54.700
And I've seen this happen over and over again, and these girls legitimately defined their
02:40:59.120
own attractiveness and their standard by some celebrity they had sex with.
02:41:03.080
Or it could be, let's take it all the way back.
02:41:05.180
You're in high school, and it's the quarterback of the football team.
02:41:10.560
And so when that happens, you end up with women having, for lack of a better term, delusional
02:41:15.720
beliefs about what their levels of attractiveness are.
02:41:21.700
And now they have what's called dopamine resets.
02:41:25.320
Their dopamine resets to the point where they can only feel attraction for these men who are
02:41:31.200
And then once they hit 30, you know, once they hit, you know, the end of their, once
02:41:36.120
they get to an epiphany phase, then all of a sudden those things don't become quite as
02:41:41.820
Because now they look back, and now when they were 23 and didn't want to settle down
02:41:45.300
and wanted to date the power forward, now they're 30, they look back, and now there's
02:41:49.180
a 23-year-old who is dating that power forward.
02:41:56.720
And so a cognitive, for women, a cognitive recognition that this is the cycle that you're
02:42:01.540
going through, and then deciding to not go through that cycle, that's the only thing
02:42:07.560
Yeah, it sounds like you have to actually rewire your brain and realize the good that
02:42:12.700
You have to understand the situation and the conditions you are in.
02:42:15.520
An exceptional amount of gratitude for the situation that you're in.
02:42:18.240
Yeah, and see the other good qualities that the guy might have and raise those higher
02:42:23.480
He actually probably has more good qualities than the celebrity you had sex with, but
02:42:29.560
Well, I mean, when you were first telling us your situation, when I asked you, like,
02:42:34.760
are your standards or are the guys you dated in your past, are they different than the
02:42:39.520
guy you idealized as being the guy who would be, you know, the guy who's aligned with God
02:42:46.680
The reason is because when women get to be about 28, 29, 30, 31 years old, it's what I call
02:42:51.000
the epiphany phase, and that's when women start to reprioritize those things.
02:42:54.740
So when she was, like, 18 years old, she might be looking for nothing but the hottest guy
02:42:58.800
that she can get with, like, an athlete, a rock star, whatever it is, because that's
02:43:02.400
the sexual energy or whatever you want to call it that she really, she is at the peak
02:43:08.880
Once she gets down to be about 29, 30, 31 years old, it's not that she doesn't want
02:43:14.280
It's just that the priority switch is where he's got to have a better job or he's got to love
02:43:17.820
his mom or he wants to have kids or he wants to love God and go forward in life.
02:43:23.380
Like, I think that's actually starting to happen where it feels like I'm just maturing and being
02:43:27.000
like, oh, like, what are these more important qualities?
02:43:30.040
Because you're thinking in the long term, finally.
02:43:32.220
But when I was young, I was like, I want somebody that's hot and tall.
02:43:34.980
You're coming out of, you're coming out of what, not my words, you're coming out of what's
02:43:39.160
18 to 28 years old, that's when we're at the party.
02:43:46.900
Like, when women say, you know, men ain't shit and when women say men are threatened
02:43:51.960
by powerful or women or men are threatened by powerful men or they have fragile egos
02:43:56.300
or where are all the good guys, those women tend to be 29, 30, 31 years old or older than
02:44:01.800
that because that becomes a priority for them at that point.
02:44:06.600
It's just, it's funny because I have a lot of friends that are my age and they're virgins
02:44:12.020
and they're single and they're going to be amazing partners.
02:44:15.280
And I, so hearing what you're saying is actually making it make more sense.
02:44:23.000
I do also feel that the guys aren't taking responsibility.
02:44:32.440
Like we're going to not, I wouldn't say lower our standards, but we're, our priorities are
02:44:39.360
And then the guys I think are starting to wake up at that age too.
02:44:45.460
I would, I would also argue that when you get to be 29, 30, 31 years old, you also got
02:44:50.680
to remember that that coincides with when women say my biological clock is ticking, which
02:44:55.500
So it was really probably when you were 22, 23 years old.
02:44:58.020
And then on top of that, what is the, uh, the average age of first marriage in the United
02:45:31.360
My friends, be funny, make a comment or shut the fuck up, please.
02:45:35.840
So far is that Mr. Girl levels of never answering a question without a thorough meta combo first
02:45:51.580
I'm way younger than everybody else in this panel.
02:45:57.940
But then again, as you said, I have a right to be in my whole face right now.
02:46:14.820
But then again, I do believe in a relationship.
02:46:19.600
But going forward right now, I don't see that because that does not benefit me in any way.
02:46:24.540
I need somebody that benefits me, that helps me push me to my goal.
02:46:33.260
And so I just be the man and I play the man for so long until someday one guy will walk up to me and be that male lead and show me that, you know, that I don't need.
02:46:43.680
That guy will have to be more of a man than you are.
02:46:49.780
No, because you become the man you want to marry.
02:46:53.420
Why would you want to get with, like, why would a guy want to get with another guy if he was assuming he's heterosexual?
02:47:05.680
Do you think that you should develop those female?
02:47:08.860
Do you think that perhaps maybe you need to lean into your feminine a little bit?
02:47:14.120
But, you know, down the line, I will experience that.
02:47:16.420
But right now, I'm so focused on many different qualities, just like how some people want to be doctors, how some people want to be lawyers.
02:47:25.900
Well, you said you wanted to do like your hope is.
02:47:33.500
So if I get into a relationship, how does that push me to become a nurse?
02:47:37.980
What does that male do to push me to be a nurse?
02:47:40.640
Does he tell me to wake up on time to go to my classes?
02:47:45.340
Thank you for agreeing with my tweet from this week.
02:47:52.900
I think you're setting yourself up for failure in a way.
02:47:55.940
If you're like doing your whole phases so early, like you're not going to end up with meaningful relationships if you keep it up, you know?
02:48:07.220
There's also a main person and there's a side person.
02:48:10.420
As a guy, there's always going to be some guys out there.
02:48:13.760
There's going to be a main and there's going to be a side.
02:48:15.980
The main will always get mad at you at everything.
02:48:26.520
And as a female, you know, as a guy, you know, you don't want a girl constantly down your throat asking me where you are, who you're with, and where you're going.
02:48:34.800
You know, that's why a side person and a side doesn't really ask you that.
02:48:39.160
They just sleep with you one day and sleep with you another.
02:48:41.900
Whenever you ask, you always have that side person to talk to, to rant, to vent.
02:48:51.660
Let me see if I can redirect you because we actually got on this tangent because the ladies were asking us what is our, like, our ideal mate, right?
02:49:00.800
I mean, I'm just going to read back because he came up with a very, a lot of this stuff, pretty much, whenever we're on, it's like I kind of let you pick up half of it and I'll pick up the other half.
02:49:10.400
But the other half is this, is that I don't want a woman who is submissive.
02:49:19.400
So when you talk about OnlyFans, I want a woman who is going to give up OnlyFans without being asked that I am the one that she wants to say, you know what, I don't want there to be any fucking confusion whether or not I am into this guy and I really want to be with this guy.
02:49:33.980
So I am going to take it upon myself to, to close my Instagram account, close my OnlyFans account because this is, I'm a ride or die girl.
02:49:48.340
This is the guy that I want, and I want her to be so fucking sure of that, that she's going to change her religion and she's going to follow me across the ocean to my homeland and stay with me because she has that level of desire for me.
02:50:00.780
It's not submissive, it's not enslavement, it is desire, so much desire on the part of that woman for that guy that she wants to be with him no matter what, ride or die.
02:50:13.420
Why would it not, we have asked this on Access Vegas several times, and I think the question we need to be asking is this, especially for the ladies on the panel here, is if you met the right guy and you have OnlyFans or you have an Instagram account, would you take it upon yourself?
02:50:29.080
Would you have the insight to say, you know what, I don't want this guy to think that I'm actually advertising my sexuality to anyone else.
02:50:36.520
I'm going to take that down on my own without having to be asked.
02:50:41.780
If it was the right, if he was a ride or die girl.
02:50:54.000
So what would you sacrifice and would it occur to you to want to delete your OnlyFans, delete your Instagram, delete any of it?
02:51:04.100
Because you don't want to advertise yourself and you don't want there to be any confusion with that guy.
02:51:11.740
You need to tell me face-to-face, sit down with me.
02:51:15.600
You have that much desire to say, you know what, he doesn't need to ask me.
02:51:21.360
I already know what they are and I'm going to do it myself.
02:51:30.980
Is that I would argue that that might not be in some girl's consciousness at 18.
02:51:35.180
So, although I agree with Rolo, him telling you directly and you being able to do it with no problem and knowing that's exactly what you want to do because you're so in love with him and you have that true genuine desire would be acceptable in my opinion.
02:51:48.560
Yeah, I would agree with that, but see the problem is you get into this quandary, I guess, because usually what they say is if the guy asked you to delete your account, would you do it?
02:51:59.860
Then what they'll say is, well, if he was the right guy, he wouldn't be asking me.
02:52:03.840
No, what I'm asking is if he's the ideal guy, would you think, would it be a concept in your head, an insight to say, I better cut this shit out?
02:52:15.140
I don't want this to be taken the wrong way, but I'm going to say no due to the fact that, for example, OnlyFans.
02:52:23.540
I do have an Instagram, but I'm just saying, for example, OnlyFans because she is making an income out of it.
02:52:28.740
If she's talking to someone and she all of a sudden just stops doing OnlyFans, she has no income, and then that dude just ends up not being that person.
02:52:42.460
I just wanted to say, even when I'm talking to somebody, because I have a boyfriend now, and I've been talking to him.
02:52:51.760
So it was important to me to make sure that I was talking to only him, even when we were just in the talking phase.
02:52:58.440
So I think this whole idea, like, oh, there's people on the sides, and even just giving up your socials and stuff, I'd do it in a heartbeat,
02:53:05.340
because immediately I cut off every guy when I'm just talking to this man.
02:53:12.620
Like, it's all yours because it's important to show that you're committed before you even start the relationship.
02:53:19.300
Let me, can I, that's a really good observation because the follow-up to this is this, is you were talking about double standards just a minute ago, okay?
02:53:27.280
So when a man and a woman get together in some kind of relationship, men, when they are trying to get with a girl,
02:53:34.780
they're the ones who have to sell themselves because of performance.
02:53:42.300
I mean, you think about all the criteria that men have to have to actually get in a woman's pants,
02:53:51.860
Women, on the other hand, advertise themselves on the sexual marketplace.
02:53:55.640
So whether that's Instagram or that's OnlyFans or however you're doing it, women are the advertisers.
02:54:04.940
We're trying to get you to accept us as an intimate, okay?
02:54:09.500
So, and then some of them, some of us have a much easier time of this.
02:54:13.100
Other guys have to actually work their asses, have to ask, work their asses off to do that, right?
02:54:21.580
So when you get into a relationship, if it's closed on her end and closed on your end,
02:54:29.320
what that means is that that guy can no longer sell himself on the sexual marketplace.
02:54:33.220
He can't pitch himself because he would be a cheater, right?
02:54:35.460
If he's trying to go get with a waitress and you're in a relationship and he's flirting with her
02:54:40.340
and trying to promote himself to sell his sexuality to that person, we call that cheating.
02:54:46.120
But yet when women still advertise themselves on OnlyFans, on Instagram,
02:54:52.660
Or women say it's my only source of income or whatever.
02:54:55.500
And that's the hard part of this is we've attached that advertising to women's revenue streams right now.
02:55:01.680
But it's okay for men or for us to call men who would advertise themselves in a relationship
02:55:11.520
But we don't say the same thing for women who are advertising themselves.
02:55:14.160
That's why I was saying, advertise themselves once they are in that relationship.
02:55:19.020
If it is closed on his end and closed on her end, it should occur to you to say,
02:55:27.320
I'm not saying delete your Instagram, but take down the thong pictures,
02:55:30.980
take down the sexualized pictures so that there's no confusion.
02:55:40.340
Soft launch is when women have a new boyfriend and they don't show the boyfriend immediately.
02:55:45.420
They'll show like hands together or they'll show like their feet on the beach or some shit like that.
02:55:49.420
Because women know that they will lose market share on their advertising if they show a guy
02:55:54.840
and suddenly that promise, that fantasy of availability goes away.
02:56:00.000
The reason why women get upset about that is because they're still advertising from within a relationship
02:56:05.280
where the guy has stopped, but the woman has not stopped advertising.
02:56:10.900
What you just said, the last part, advertising in two different ways.
02:56:13.860
In terms of advertising on OnlyFans, yes, 100%.
02:56:16.180
If I was dating a guy, I don't know if I would advertise it because that would affect my business.
02:56:19.900
But not every woman, most women are not on OnlyFans.
02:56:22.680
Are you saying that like they wouldn't show hands because they still want to monkey branch
02:56:28.720
What it has to do is the perception of your availability is limited.
02:56:34.040
It is curtailed by having the boyfriend in the shots and the photos with you.
02:56:39.480
For example, there was a series of photos of, and I don't know the name, sorry,
02:56:44.040
but the professional soccer players with their wives and their girlfriends.
02:56:50.980
They're on the same beach and the same vacation.
02:56:57.320
And you look at their girlfriends or their wives' Instagram, and same beach,
02:57:02.160
just the girl that's all alone sitting in the surf and looking sexy.
02:57:07.380
If you look at like, so what is it, Ayesha Curry and Stephen Curry,
02:57:10.260
like she still wants to, even after, she's with Stephen Curry, for fuck's sake.
02:57:17.840
And she still wants, she's on Red Table Talk wanting to still say, hey,
02:57:24.340
I still want to be, I still want other men to find me sexy.
02:57:29.040
It's not necessarily like the, I mean, the only fan saying, yeah,
02:57:31.460
you're advertising yourself sexually when you do that.
02:57:35.040
And it's not just, it's not just like the soft launch.
02:57:38.140
It is the fact that you are still there advertising while you would have a
02:57:42.020
conniption fit if the guy was out there flirting with the waitress.
02:57:45.380
Cause he's, he's following his sexual imperatives while he has to curtail
02:57:50.480
I think I have something good to say with this.
02:57:52.020
If that's not a double standard, I don't know what it is.
02:57:53.800
Not that, um, like anything, I mean, it's fine.
02:57:56.800
If you, if you want to do OnlyFans or whatever,
02:57:58.580
and that's how you want to make your money, that is fine.
02:58:00.000
But then if you do have that, you cannot come then and say,
02:58:08.460
I never will have an OnlyFans because I, like one of my goals in life
02:58:13.740
that I knew that I was going to want to have, whether that be like now,
02:58:22.000
So that's proof that it can happen because it happened because of that.
02:58:25.680
That I have like the man, the perfect man that like,
02:58:28.220
I think that I would want that I would want to have is sitting right next to me.
02:58:34.940
But I always knew that I would want that one day.
02:58:36.860
Like I would want to have, be married to the perfect man of like my dreams per se
02:58:41.140
that I would want to be with, that I would want to raise my kids with me.
02:58:44.520
So I would never have that because I know that a man that I dream to have
02:58:53.400
So like that's, that's kind of a little take on that.
02:58:56.940
And there's nothing, if that's what you want to do, that's fine.
02:59:03.460
If you'd rather have OnlyFans and make all this money on OnlyFans,
02:59:05.720
which girls do, there's girls that make so much money to do it.
02:59:08.540
So if you want to do that and have that, you can have that and do it.
02:59:11.800
But just know you're, it's going to be a lot harder
02:59:13.780
and you probably aren't going to be able to have this as well.
02:59:16.560
So I had a question for you earlier and I totally forgot about it.
02:59:19.300
So right now you said you, you mentioned as OnlyFans,
02:59:24.840
You said career path and you talk about a man taking away your career path.
02:59:27.920
I'm asking if you had gotten on the cover of Vogue,
02:59:32.200
if you had gotten on something else that didn't,
02:59:34.380
where you could make a salary over 200,000, 500,000 a year
02:59:38.100
and you didn't have to have OnlyFans, would you still do OnlyFans?
02:59:40.960
Yeah, I mean, I was already making a decent salary
02:59:42.560
to solve TikTok sponsorships, but OnlyFans is an insane amount of money.
02:59:45.820
So you would still do OnlyFans because of the money?
02:59:47.740
What I'm saying is that you got Giselle Munchin type money,
02:59:52.700
Like I don't think I could be bought, like for instance,
02:59:54.380
like if someone offered me like 100 mil for my virginity,
03:00:03.560
Can you choose a different location if they offered more money than not OnlyFans?
03:00:08.540
What I'm not saying is that you called it a career path.
03:00:15.680
It's part of my overall career of content creation.
03:00:17.500
but we're not worried about the TikTok part, right?
03:00:20.040
The guy you're going to marry is not super worried about the TikTok part.
03:00:22.420
It's this one part that they're going to have a little bit more concern about.
03:00:27.380
I don't consider, I consider media maybe a career path,
03:00:33.200
That's what I was confused when you were saying before,
03:00:35.240
a man would want to take me away from my career path.
03:00:39.980
because it happens to be very lucrative for you.
03:00:45.180
but what I felt like is if you were more respected as a traditional model,
03:00:48.000
Mike, a little closer, a little closer to Mike.
03:00:50.060
if you were more respected as a traditional model,
03:00:57.080
I was more so saying that because he was saying
03:00:59.800
he'd want to transfer her into his mission, his framework.
03:01:03.580
is the transferring because it's specifically OnlyFans
03:01:05.540
or just because that's what she's currently doing?
03:01:07.800
The three of us are in some way or another performance coaches
03:01:09.840
and it doesn't really look good for us to be dating girls who are doing things.
03:01:13.620
I could see if a girl had old photos that were bikini shots or whatever maybe,
03:01:19.440
if we're doing stuff with dildos, girl, girl shit,
03:01:21.740
I think it's going to be a little bit harder for us to explain
03:01:24.260
as male improvement coaches why our girlfriends are doing that.
03:01:34.240
guys, give me a little space to get through some of the soup chats here
03:01:40.360
so I don't really have a whole lot more to say.
03:01:46.080
And yes, I would want her to be inside my frame,
03:01:53.460
I just wanted to say that I think that having an OnlyFans
03:01:56.140
is further perpetuating the hedonism that's destroying the country.
03:02:00.200
I wouldn't want to be a part of that personally.
03:02:06.360
Or she said that OnlyFans is the downfall of the West?
03:02:14.260
I said it's perpetuating the hedonism that's destroying the country
03:02:17.060
and it's really, really giving people fucked up.
03:02:26.380
It's really ruining the way that people perceive relationships and shit.
03:02:30.760
Again, this is why I delineated between preference and philosophy
03:02:33.020
because usually people who believe that also believe that framework.
03:02:37.320
You said, and we're going to get to the soup chat,
03:02:42.680
You wouldn't sell your virginity for $100 million?
03:02:52.120
Yeah, because that's still within my comfort zone.
03:02:56.500
I can make a lot more on OnlyFans if I do different types of content.
03:03:00.240
You could cure malaria in Africa for $100 million, bro.
03:03:04.620
When you literally just said you don't do that.
03:03:07.680
Early on in this podcast, you literally just said you don't do that.
03:03:10.220
You get every dollar fixed in the United States.
03:03:11.820
I'm saying what I do on OnlyFans is within my comfort level.
03:03:17.040
I didn't know how much I was going to make on day one.
03:03:20.020
I can make a million dollars this month, right?
03:03:23.720
So I can 10x my profit if I went beyond my comfort zone on OnlyFans.
03:03:27.620
Because the guy who would pay $100 million for your virginity is not the guy you want
03:03:44.560
Just how much do you guys make on OnlyFans per month?
03:03:50.480
Can you say what percentage of earners you're in?
03:04:01.500
You pay any dollars on the highest tax bracket of, what, 36%?
03:04:10.320
You realize, like, that is set up your grandchildren, grandchildren.
03:04:15.200
That is just, you don't have to work another day in your fucking life.
03:04:24.300
Consider the social changes you could make with $100 million.
03:04:35.120
I would argue that that's not even maybe the question to ask.
03:04:38.860
The question to ask is, the amount of money that you two girls are making on OnlyFans,
03:04:44.920
Because any man that is worth his fucking salt that you would even be attracted to wouldn't put up with it.
03:04:53.960
So every day that goes by, you're going to be less and less beautiful.
03:04:57.120
And at some point, there's going to be a history of you doing that.
03:05:01.640
But no man that is going to be in your league is going to put up with it.
03:05:05.000
And so the question is, if you were truly in love and you had true desire for a man that would put his foot down with you
03:05:09.260
and tell you how it was going to be, would you or would you not give up your OnlyFans?
03:05:14.860
Same way if I wanted to really expand my dating pool.
03:05:20.240
Because if you were in love with that man, you would shut it down.
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Because then I can find a man who actually reciprocates because Muslim men lower their gaze when other women walk by.
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Any man that asks you to do it and you say no to, you're going to look at it as a pussy.
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You will not respect him and you will not love him.
03:05:34.720
Any man that you look up to and respect, you would quit doing it for.
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And that day might not be today, but it will come.
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If he reciprocates, if he quits occasioning the strip club, if he quits watching porn, if he also takes that initiative and I meet the love of my life, sure.
03:05:52.020
Meanwhile, there's 10, 20 years of digital flip friends.
03:05:56.800
He's got to be able to look you in line and tell you, shut that shit down.
03:06:03.060
And that's what I appreciate about what you said earlier.
03:06:04.800
The first time I agreed with you was a little bit earlier when you were like, yes, if I knew that I could be inside that frame.
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I mean that's what I was saying about women hold on until they know they're safe.
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I can respect a woman that will hold on until she knows.
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I don't have a problem with the making money thing.
03:06:21.780
But if he comes along, it would be hard for me to believe that any woman at this table would not let go of OnlyFans.
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Because once he's there, it does take a certain amount of process.
03:06:45.560
But the problem is there's something, there's a reason why they picked you and not someone else who isn't doing,
03:06:52.040
But you're going to ask yourself, why did this guy pick me and not someone who isn't doing OnlyFans?
03:06:57.760
There is going to be a voice in the back of your head.
03:07:00.100
It's like, why did this person pick me when they could have had something with less drama and less exposure?
03:07:06.660
And then you're going to see what that thing is.
03:07:08.940
You're going to see what that chink in the armor is.
03:07:13.040
Or maybe he does not know how to define boundaries.
03:07:15.240
Or maybe he keeps getting out of relationships because he's outrageously insecure or whatever.
03:07:19.360
The problem is it's not that you won't find a man.
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It's just the problem is when you do, you're not going to be wholeheartedly willing to change my religion
03:07:28.820
and crawl over broken glass like the way Rolo describes with his wife.
03:07:36.140
And 78% of divorces in the United States are initiated by women.
03:07:43.380
I got to jump in just because we do have to get some chats here.
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Real men don't care how you feel or how you think.
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I'm going to start preemptively reading this after that one comes through.
03:08:12.980
Mia look alike, should go to law school, and would be a 1% lawyer, but the world isn't
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What makes a woman valuable is different from men.
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I can see how men would be intimidated by the way you talk.
03:08:37.920
No, I mean, we've already, we've been building off the premise that men and women are different.
03:08:41.820
I don't think we're arguing that they're the same.
03:08:43.720
I was saying where are those differences relevant in terms of body count when, again,
03:08:48.080
we've proven that double virginity bodes the best marriages.
03:08:52.660
That's such an outlier statistic, though, right?
03:08:55.640
It's an outlier statistic because there's so few double virgin marriages, and also the
03:08:59.780
double virgin marriages tend to be like Amish people.
03:09:01.760
It tends to be people in extremely austere relationships.
03:09:06.140
Because most men and women do not get together in the United States as virgins.
03:09:10.240
When it happens, there tends to be other cultural reasons.
03:09:13.100
So it's really hard to say, is this a, if this is an outlier.
03:09:17.920
The trend, what you can see is a trend is if you look over thousands and thousands of people,
03:09:21.940
is men tend to not be super affected by their body count as far as their ability to stay
03:09:27.660
in a marriage, and women tend to be more affected by it.
03:09:32.620
Like, for instance, if you happen to live next door to the Playboy Mansion, you're more likely to stray.
03:09:35.660
For women, it's previous partners that cause them to be more likely to cheat.
03:09:41.060
On top of the fact that they have this innate evolutionary necessity to be with a woman who has a low body count.
03:09:46.000
So there's a cognitive reason, and then also a subconscious reason, and both of them are backed by science.
03:09:57.340
I mean, that's not something, I mean, it's not moral that I can benchmark more than you.
03:10:02.980
The other thing is, and I'm not, again, it's going to sound like I'm making an excuse.
03:10:06.100
The average man, like I said before, has 17 times as much testosterone going through than a woman does.
03:10:11.260
Imagine the horniest you've ever been in your entire life.
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Multiply that by 17, and that's Tuesday for us.
03:10:17.360
And that's the reason, again, I'm not trying to make an excuse, but now you see this irrational level of horniness.
03:10:22.700
And then you realize that testosterone not only regulates your libido, but your assertiveness, your aggressiveness, your necessity to solve problems.
03:10:33.000
You're also your necessity to save your fellow man, right?
03:10:39.620
All those things come from the same hormone that causes us to be outrageously horny compared to women.
03:10:49.860
Would any of the girls date a 54-year-old who throws charity events join MOA?
03:11:14.740
Where do you get the more being in shape is a flex.
03:11:19.800
If you could spam it in the chat, twitch.tv slash whatever.
03:11:26.880
You can, every single month, you can do a Prime sub.
03:11:29.600
It's a quick, free, easy way to support the show every single month.
03:11:59.400
And then we have some super chats here we got to get caught up on.
03:12:05.600
Women also need to understand that the sexual organ of a woman does change with use.
03:12:10.500
It doesn't feel as good, and you never know who's...
03:12:17.800
A man's unit doesn't change, and unless a woman sleeps with multiple dudes, men know it is our child.
03:12:22.420
American virus is freedom, thank you for the hundred.
03:12:29.000
What he means is not by the sexual organ getting bigger.
03:12:31.580
He means by sexual organ literally changes when a zygote is formed inside of a cervix.
03:12:42.320
Yeah, this argument that women become looser when they have more sex, there's actually
03:12:46.560
But he said it doesn't feel as good as in that...
03:12:48.040
I thought he was referring to that, that loose pussy.
03:12:52.840
It's harder for a woman to have an orgasm if she's had multiple partners.
03:13:01.160
What male traits based on Darwin's natural selection could be most desirable to women
03:13:11.040
What male traits based on Darwin's natural selection?
03:13:15.260
These are going to be things that show competency and things that show...
03:13:18.240
Basically, women during different periods of time would choose the man who looked like
03:13:22.740
he was most likely, most capable of committing massive amounts of violence on her behalf
03:13:28.460
When you look at it from that standpoint, then it makes sense why she fucks Brock the bartender
03:13:31.880
who's six foot three or the fucking quarterback of the football team.
03:13:37.580
Like I said before, my number one frustration is that we have these generic conversations
03:13:42.360
when Dr. David Buss has written five books on this stuff, when Gad Sat has written
03:13:46.440
books on this stuff, when Stephen Stewart-Williams, Cindy Meston, Lita Cosmedes, who's...
03:13:50.980
By the way, PhD right here at UC Santa Barbara, one of the leading evolutionary psychologists
03:13:55.300
on the planet, and we still listen to fucking Dr. Phil, and we read books like The Five Love
03:14:04.620
The real reason why me and Rollo work together is because he's the only man on the planet
03:14:08.620
that I know who reads as much on evolutionary psychology as I do.
03:14:13.940
And for some reason, we choose to not read them.
03:14:15.880
And we still believe things like beauty is subjective.
03:14:30.580
I just feel like she's just arguing to argue to prove her intelligence.
03:14:34.200
She doesn't even take it in the opposite side of the argument.
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Maybe I'm not doing a good enough job explaining it.
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She's giving me like a death stare over that request.
03:15:05.520
As a high-value man who is also tall with a low body count,
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I would only marry a woman with a low body count.
03:15:22.700
Have women lost trust to depend on men to the point they sell themselves on social media?
03:15:32.520
Judging us and expectations are killing dating, pool, and marriage.
03:15:39.280
Have women lost trust to depend on men to the point they sell themselves on social media?
03:15:49.320
Pretty much every girl that I talk to on, not every panel, but pretty much every girl I have encountered,
03:15:55.700
when it comes to wanting to get with a guy, they don't want to give up their OnlyFans.
03:16:04.180
And the reason they do is because they've been taught over the course of two generations to be distrustful of men,
03:16:11.260
to say that they're never going to be able to be the ones who are going to be able to take care of me.
03:16:15.020
When he comes up here and he says, I'm going to be the one who's going to take care of you,
03:16:17.960
I'm going to take you to the restaurant, I'm going to pay for it,
03:16:19.680
I am going to basically take care of your long-term security,
03:16:26.960
Because women have this preconception that men are either borderline abusers
03:16:32.740
or they are incompetent like buffoons like Homer Simpson or Dr. Huxtable or whatever sitcom dad that we want to throw out there,
03:16:46.920
And so if those are your three options and that's what you think of as a masculine model or an ideal
03:16:55.740
or that's your archetype in your head, of course you're going to want to go to college,
03:17:00.320
go get your career, get your money on point, become the man that you wanted to marry
03:17:04.400
because you can't trust no man to do what he just said,
03:17:08.360
which is I'm going to take care of business for you.
03:17:10.340
And yes, I would absolutely agree with that assessment
03:17:13.400
because women are fearful that they'll never find a guy.
03:17:16.540
And when we talk about like submission, which I think is the wrong world,
03:17:20.380
I think we need to talk about deference to men's authority.
03:17:24.200
But I think that it's more about the fact that women need long-term security longer
03:17:29.560
than they have the ability to consolidate on that.
03:17:33.140
So if you've got 18 to 28 years old where you're in your peak sexual market value years,
03:17:38.100
that's 10 years in a lifespan that might be, what, 90 years old?
03:17:42.440
So you're going to need long-term security far longer in your life than you are going to need it.
03:17:47.760
And that's why we sell women on this, be independent.
03:17:57.800
Yeah, if your argument is that men have fallen short because men are not asking in a masculine, chivalrous way,
03:18:10.620
That's the reason why the three of us are coaches.
03:18:14.920
And in that happening, it's even worse in that general society is telling them to clearly do the opposite of what Justin Waller is saying.
03:18:25.360
Like, literally, not only are we not being coached to be masculine, we're being coached to not be masculine.
03:18:31.880
And thirdly, we're being taught that it's borderline illegal for us to act in a masculine way.
03:18:36.660
There is, you know, Andrew Tate said it the best.
03:18:38.560
There's no, there's no, there's just masculinity.
03:18:47.800
Masculinity, again, when you want someone to save you from a burning building, you want a fucking ton of masculinity.
03:18:55.860
It's like, if you think things are bad, you're correct.
03:19:01.940
If you think 99% of men are simps, which is kind of the ones on OnlyFans that are subscribed to you guys, you're correct.
03:19:12.220
That's why these shows are becoming, these panel shows like this, are becoming so outrageously fucking popular.
03:19:16.780
Because we're all seeing this happen at the same time.
03:19:20.020
I don't think the hedonism is the decay of Western society.
03:19:25.180
I think that's actually the decay of Western society.
03:19:40.900
Who here has, at any point in time, had a ho-faces?
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And it was to, like, lead me into something like that.
03:20:12.180
But it was also a factor in of what happened before it.
03:20:15.780
It was actually rage and anger and revenge that fueled me to push me to be this ho-faces.
03:20:21.700
Because I felt like I was getting back at the guy at that time of during my first ho-faces.
03:20:30.340
How many ho-faces do you think you're going to have?
03:20:34.720
But it just happens to a lot of people where they invest so much into a relationship that either the guy leaves or the girl leaves.
03:20:43.040
And then the one side will just be left broken.
03:20:45.960
And obviously that side that is broken is filled with rage to do better.
03:20:50.020
Or there's also another scenario if it was a female.
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You know, there's only two sides that you could choose.
03:20:57.140
Either sleep with this homie to get revenge or you can work on yourself.
03:21:02.120
Sit down and really think, like, is it really possible for me to just, you know, get back at him or just feel like I just don't.
03:21:14.600
I want everyone to have a chance to answer this question.
03:21:37.560
Would you sell your booty hole on camera to Gawlik the Destroyer for $100 million?
03:22:17.360
Bro, I don't have to work another day in my fucking life.
03:22:20.020
I'd be like, you could get legislation passed for $100 million.
03:22:23.580
Like, you would change the world with $100 million.
03:22:45.580
I just consider that talking to, like, a bunch of guys.
03:22:48.000
When you say a bunch of guys, how many are we talking?
03:23:03.500
I just got out of a breakup and I was just dating.
03:23:16.960
I think people should take more accountability.
03:23:20.140
But, me personally, I have not had a hofes, unless you count Discord, where I e-dated two
03:23:25.840
guys at once, which is honestly a fucking joke.
03:23:34.580
My long relationship that I was in, I was committed to him.
03:23:40.220
And so, I think that maybe if I wouldn't have had that, my story would be a little bit different.
03:23:57.860
No, let me, I, I, I, let me, let me stop, just to clarify your question.
03:24:04.120
Again, I, it was my second book in the timeline I put in here, I called it the party years is
03:24:09.060
And it's, it's not because every girl turns into a raging slut, you know, during those
03:24:14.160
But that is when you are at the peak of your sexual marketability.
03:24:17.460
So, for you to consolidate on a guy who's going to be a good long-term prospect for you,
03:24:22.360
usually that happens right around 22, 23, 24 years old when you're at the peak of your
03:24:27.560
sexual market value and the peak agency for women.
03:24:30.800
So, that's why the epiphany phase, I, I peg that right around 29, 30, 31 years old.
03:24:35.680
It's not that women are going out and having, actually becoming actual hoes.
03:24:39.460
It's just that that is the span in a woman's life when she has the most potential to find
03:24:45.300
So, it might be one or two guys, but you're doing more dating during that period of your
03:24:49.580
life than you will be for the rest of your life because of the marketability on the sexual
03:24:53.940
marketplace, not personal worth, but later on in life.
03:24:57.320
So, you've got a span of 10 years where you're advertising yourself, where you're out there,
03:25:01.980
where you're going to the clubs, you're having a good time, you're being just regular college
03:25:05.260
So, whether or not you're a raging slut or you're not is kind of immaterial.
03:25:11.000
I'd rather call it the party years because that's when women are, they're most active.
03:25:22.760
Men, but I do have like a certain of where I, like I, what I want.
03:25:29.400
And if that person fits that idea of what I want, then I can go forward and process that
03:25:35.340
That's why I say there's a process before, you know, marriage.
03:25:40.200
And that's why I do agree with you that everyone does go through a little party phase.
03:25:51.560
Here, while she does that, we have a chat here.
03:25:57.040
I really appreciate why when a woman doesn't have a man, she often has to take on the masculine
03:26:01.300
role, but when a man doesn't have a woman, he doesn't necessarily have to take on a feminine
03:26:06.800
Does this prove that masculinity is more essential to survival than femininity?
03:26:18.980
I was just going to say that that's exactly why the nuclear home, the importance of gender
03:26:24.860
Because women have to take on this masculine role because there needs to be a masculine
03:26:31.840
They need to take on a feminine role because that's why most of the time, like, single mother
03:26:38.280
You have high divorce rates with women that tend to be more, like, the breadwinners, more
03:26:43.880
So I think a lot of, like, that question specifically is stressing the importance that they are separate
03:26:48.980
and that they are divided super, like, strictly, I guess you could say.
03:26:57.520
So we're talking about proximate and ultimate cause when you ever hear a woman say, I don't
03:27:05.640
We need men to, you know, put up electrical wires.
03:27:10.240
We need men to run an economy so that we can buy and sell goods.
03:27:17.420
No, you're a woman who makes $300,000 a year and you have a Mossberg by the door.
03:27:21.280
You don't necessarily, quote, unquote, need a man.
03:27:23.360
Ultimately, we all do because masculine traits aren't necessary for survival.
03:27:36.460
And when she has a child, the child is going to become, is going to come before the husband.
03:27:44.440
The unconditional love that women have is reserved for a child.
03:27:52.560
And we as men, those of us who understand this concept of evolutionary psychology, we're
03:27:56.640
grateful for the fact that our wife would throw us in front of the train in order to
03:28:03.780
But survival in general, when he, the question was, is masculinity more important for survival?
03:28:12.040
Those men who stormed Normandy back in World War II did so for the survival of their tribe,
03:28:18.160
putting their own survival to the side for the love of their country and specifically the
03:28:23.640
That is what masculine, that's what masculine traits are.
03:28:28.440
Whereas feminine traits, they're also, they also aid in survival.
03:28:32.220
But it's more the survival of the offspring specifically.
03:28:35.540
We have a donation request here from someone who wants the girls on the panel to rate him
03:28:42.860
Eric, I believe I pulled up a guy's Instagram profile.
03:28:54.380
So we're going to review Josh's Instagram profile and you girls are going to give him
03:29:11.500
There's not, there's a lot of not photos of him.
03:29:27.320
Don't hate his composition, but he's doing this wrong.
03:29:38.640
That's him with a parrot or something or some sort of avian animal.
03:29:58.500
Ladies, just your rating of him on the scale of one to ten.
03:30:02.200
Scroll all the way back up to the top really quick.
03:30:15.000
I don't know how you rate like a guy's Instagram because you're not, you don't really see
03:30:23.920
Maybe he was the buffalo in one of the buffalo pictures.
03:31:01.800
The very fact that women can't even remember your face like that after that quick.
03:31:14.840
Like, he got that kind of fluoride stare to him.
03:31:22.620
Bro, they're black helicopters circling us right now.
03:31:39.340
And, like, he can probably barely pick up, like, a 20-pound dumbbell.
03:31:43.720
Now, tell us he's the highest-earning, like, banker in Kentucky.
03:32:04.980
I was going to say it was part of the sceneries and everything that he was, like, all the
03:32:08.340
places that he went to, he probably has enough money to go to that.
03:32:23.140
I'll give you 30 examples of perfect Instagram.
03:32:25.280
I'll go to Justin's Instagram and see what it is.
03:33:28.040
I feel like if you went to Japan or any Asian country, they'd be all over you.
03:33:43.780
And then there's the sartorial shooter, Andrew.
03:33:52.240
He's kind of cut off in the preview or whatever.
03:33:58.500
You're in Florida now, but do you have any plans to move to Dubai?
03:34:08.180
He lives in Spain, so I bought a big house in Dubai.
03:34:12.080
Weren't you and Sterling like housemates at some point?
03:34:23.180
Like, when it comes to laws and shit and feminism, I heard Spain's like a big L.
03:34:34.840
Yeah, I just did How to Beast, but I am building an 11,000 square foot house in Dubai.
03:34:40.880
Tate tricked me into doing it, and so now we're neighbors.
03:34:43.700
Are you going to revoke your American citizenship?
03:34:49.520
Anybody that's got a problem with that can suck my dick.
03:34:54.360
You know, anybody that doesn't like America can look at the scoreboard.
03:35:03.000
And it's up to Americans to come together and stop letting this country rot from within.
03:35:07.160
Anybody that doesn't want to be an American, get the fuck out.
03:35:14.880
Everybody dropping their shit every fucking 30 minutes.
03:35:21.460
So we have two girls on the panel who are virgins, allegedly.
03:35:35.200
You said you just want to be in love, if I recall.
03:35:36.980
Like you want to meet a worthy guy, but you don't need to be married.
03:35:48.680
It depends what the relationship would look like, I guess.
03:35:51.720
Well, how would it need to look like for you to not want to wait until marriage?
03:35:56.680
I guess we could still be in love, but he could still be looking for something.
03:36:04.660
So even if I'm in love with them, I would still need to be like a sustainable thing.
03:36:08.160
Like you could be in love with someone without the stable relationship.
03:36:13.700
So marriage kind of, uh, resolves those concerns because they've committed to you.
03:36:18.040
So you do want to get married before having sex?
03:36:21.220
Um, I'd like commitment and that could take the form of marriage or just me trusting them
03:36:28.880
But you're worried about getting put in a hajib?
03:36:45.300
I grew up in a very uptight Christian household and I didn't really have a problem with it
03:36:49.980
because, you know, my parents were setting foundations for me, moral foundations for me to follow
03:36:55.760
Um, honestly, if I'm being real, maybe it's just the fact that I'm in California because
03:37:00.760
most of the guys in California are just, I don't know.
03:37:06.140
Just, I don't want to say, I don't want to, I don't really like liberal men.
03:37:13.120
Maybe that plays a fact into it, but I just want to do it with someone that I love, you
03:37:17.740
I don't want to have someone that I can feel love for, someone who loves me, someone
03:37:21.440
who I want to spend the rest of my life with maybe, but I don't want to just throw away
03:37:27.040
Just some guy who doesn't give a fuck about me.
03:37:32.900
I'd say a part of me, the part of me that grew up in a really, really tightly Christian
03:37:36.860
household wants to wait till marriage, but I'm not sure if those are ideas that are
03:37:48.560
I think that you will drastically protect your future relationship if you wait for
03:38:06.880
Daily Wire will clip that out of this whole show right there.
03:38:14.000
I mean, I brought the raincoat, but I couldn't wear it.
03:38:26.200
You know, I'd have to really, really, really know a guy before I ever considered letting
03:38:36.140
You're going to say some troll shit like you were saying before.
03:38:39.600
I get kind of shy when it comes to this topic, you know.
03:38:42.420
Oh, now you're shy, but like all the other fucking shit you're saying.
03:38:49.100
I don't think anyone wants to fuck fat bitches.
03:38:54.560
What about, when you say bitch, is that like a woman or like it could also be a fat dude?
03:39:00.100
I mean, I've seen some cute chubby boys, but just fat bitches, they're loud.
03:39:07.360
Like if there's a quiet, shy little fat bitch, you know.
03:39:11.940
I don't really want to get into the schematics of fat bitches.
03:39:19.640
But I'm just, I forgot what you said back when I originally asked.
03:39:37.000
Was that like a high school relationship or something?
03:39:42.200
I mean, I've had relationships after that, sure.
03:40:12.800
With empathy and short supply, I'd care for my family and opt for a non-OnlyFans partner.
03:40:22.860
We have a, I care for an opt for a non-OnlyFans partner.
03:40:37.540
Girls like that don't need egos raised in more power.
03:40:41.420
Following, liking, paying, OnlyFans of random women created this mess.
03:40:53.700
She's just thinking about the $400,000 she made this year and how triggered she is.
03:41:10.820
Have my money, you guilty pleasure of mine, Brian.
03:41:13.700
I also have a Slytherin t-shirt right now on me, so that's a nice coincidence.
03:41:22.740
Really appreciate all the support tonight, guys.
03:41:49.920
Like, should women care about a man's body count?
03:41:55.600
Or should a man care about a woman's body count?
03:42:00.480
Do you object to men caring about women's body count?
03:42:07.200
Do you object to men, generally speaking, or do you object to men caring about women's
03:42:12.620
Oh, I feel like I've already pontificated about it.
03:42:16.740
Again, like I said, if it makes sense, if it's the zero to zero ratio for pair bonding.
03:42:21.940
Oh, so you do take an issue with a double standard.
03:42:31.680
If he's going to provide for me, and if he's, you know, further down the line, he promises
03:42:35.480
me a certain amount of stuff, and this and that, yes.
03:42:46.960
So, just to clarify, the question is, do you object to men caring about women's body
03:42:53.440
I mean, if a guy thinks a woman is a whore, she's a whore.
03:43:02.580
The three of us are going to stand up for women's rights here.
03:43:04.420
I think you're being a little bit too draconian and misogynistic towards women, and I'd really
03:43:11.600
If a guy thinks a woman is a whore, he thinks he's a whore.
03:43:17.740
And by the way, this is, I'm not agreeing with this, but this is the argument.
03:43:20.360
I know a lot of big models who finally broke down and got an OnlyFans, and the reason
03:43:24.200
why they said they got an OnlyFans is like, they said, they're going to call me a whore
03:43:29.280
They already think I sleep my way through whatever.
03:43:31.260
And so, in part, it's men's judgmental nature that causes women to behave like this.
03:43:38.700
That's going to be the clip that Barry Wire picks up.
03:43:42.940
Yeah, but just so we're clear, a lot of women will say that.
03:43:45.940
They'll be like, well, I'm going to be called this name anyway.
03:43:47.720
But the difference is, internally, are you that way?
03:43:50.760
And I think internally, you know whether or not, you guys said before, you've had a
03:43:56.560
When you had your hoe phase, did you feel good after it?
03:43:59.320
Okay, so that's, I guess maybe that's what my point is.
03:44:02.020
Internally, you know what you did, regardless of what other people think.
03:44:09.680
So, most of you said, actually, body count does matter.
03:44:13.760
We often hear on the show that body count shouldn't matter.
03:44:23.840
So, I'm just going to pre-defend myself and say that I was, this was when I was between
03:44:32.100
I don't do this anymore, but I really thought that if I slept with men.
03:44:38.580
I thought that they would love me if I gave them the pee.
03:44:50.700
I think look back on that and now make the change.
03:44:56.200
And that's what I have done, but then, I guess that's why I said, like, I don't think body
03:45:01.900
count should matter because it sucks that I would be judged for that when I'm, I am
03:45:05.880
a very loyal person, you know, and I don't want to sleep around because it felt awful.
03:45:21.600
Because one of the things is that, sure, a number is based, but if a girl is so easy
03:45:27.280
to say her body count, then it's either doubled or probably a little bit less, but that's just
03:45:34.720
That's those red pill guys again, just doubling up everything, right?
03:45:56.940
My mom, my dad, and like half my church is watching.
03:46:03.040
And also, you know, I've already shared a lot about my past, and I agree with what that
03:46:08.080
other girl said when she was on, like, out of respect for my future husband, I feel like
03:46:16.420
Do you think that girls with tattoos are more promiscuous than girls with now tattoos?
03:46:29.420
Well, according to the red pill, I'm a slut, so, yeah.
03:46:41.500
Do I look like a guy that's in the rockstar 20s, you know?
03:46:55.960
Well, that's actually a good question, Rollo, when it comes to tattoos.
03:47:10.580
Tattoos on women are linked to abuse when young.
03:47:18.540
I think it depends on where they are and what they are.
03:47:21.480
I'm really curious on how you think on that, before I answer.
03:47:29.580
I think that people have really bad tattoos, and those ones are bad.
03:47:34.400
Yes, don't get Bart Simpson on the side of your thigh.
03:47:42.420
Go to Walmart and look at girls who have, like, big, fat girls with shorts on it, and
03:47:46.060
they'll have, like, random tattoos all over their legs.
03:47:49.160
I saw this one with, like, a boat on her thigh, and, like, you know how, like, they
03:47:52.860
get older, and it's saggy, and it looks like a sinking boat.
03:48:02.380
No, man, we need to stand up for women right now.
03:48:04.980
Whether you're a guy or whether you're a girl, we always hit a wall.
03:48:19.160
Okay, we, hold on, we have one more thing here.
03:48:24.340
We have to ask the girls if they have any other questions for us, because we only got
03:48:29.660
Well, so one of the, I guess, and I would like to try to wrap up here soon.
03:48:33.880
So one of the questions asked is, if there's anything dating-related you want to get off
03:48:38.400
your chest, or if you have a final thought, I'd like to open it up to anybody who wants
03:48:42.360
to kind of get in here at the end, opening it up to...
03:48:48.280
When do you think is the right time to have sex?
03:48:52.360
Like, how many dates, in order for a man to still respect you?
03:48:55.540
All right, you guys go ahead and ask me the answers.
03:49:04.680
Within three dates, you should know if that woman has genuine desire enough to want to
03:49:11.180
And it's not that that's like a deadline or a criteria.
03:49:17.080
Actually, I think I forgot it in my first book, as a matter of fact.
03:49:19.440
It's basically the same three-strike rule that everybody's been using for forever, but
03:49:23.540
it's meant to determine genuine desire, not necessarily like...
03:49:28.040
If there's religious convictions between the man and the woman, and that's already pre-established,
03:49:34.760
it should still be within three dates to know that, like, you know what?
03:49:37.680
I would probably want to have sex with you really, really bad if it were not for our convictions
03:49:43.600
People don't want to read that paragraph in my book, because they think that when I talk
03:49:51.080
Iron Rule Tomasi number three, which is, you know, any time a woman makes you wait for
03:49:57.760
People think that that means I'm trying to encourage guys to go and have, like, you know,
03:50:05.660
So within three dates, you should be able to determine whether or not she's going to
03:50:09.460
flake on you, or she's really into you, or she has some other mitigating...
03:50:13.500
She's got another guy that she's hoping was going to pan out, and she's putting you on
03:50:17.360
a nice hook in it, because if it doesn't work out with him, then you're going to...
03:50:25.420
But I think she's asking about, from her standpoint, how many dates should she...
03:50:33.440
Yeah, I mean, the thing is just going to be more...
03:50:36.640
It's, like, I empathize with your situation, because I...
03:50:41.020
Like I said, I coach dudes, and I see how fucked up they are.
03:50:43.820
And I, like, this is what you guys got to choose from?
03:50:49.440
And then when I, you know, have these questions, like you said before, you know, you're kind
03:50:52.340
of talking in your book about you know what your body count was, and then so that's going
03:51:00.320
I think in the end, the real answer is just to be discerning, you know what I'm saying?
03:51:03.880
And to still, at the same time, work on yourself.
03:51:07.860
And understand, like, the statistics are statistics.
03:51:09.880
I'm usually the one arguing the opposite side of this point, but just because there's
03:51:14.040
one study that says that 17% of the time a woman is going to stay happy in a relationship
03:51:17.800
after she's had more than 20 sexual partners, that's still 17% of women that still are happy
03:51:27.480
But that's the other thing, is, like, this is what my best advice would be.
03:51:32.100
Are you turned on, either, are you going to sleep with this guy because you need validation
03:51:37.080
or because he's just lighting you up like a blowtorch and he's love-bombing you or whatever?
03:51:42.900
Or you're doing it because you legitimately can see, you're just, like, or you're ignoring
03:51:47.540
Or you're doing it because you can legitimately see a future with this dude?
03:51:51.920
If you can, then, you know, three dates or however.
03:51:56.420
Now, if you make this dude wait six months, the problem is this, right?
03:52:00.420
If you make a guy wait, like, ten dates or six months or whatever, he has so few boundaries
03:52:05.440
that eventually you're not going to be attracted to him.
03:52:08.700
Because if then this same guy comes to me and Rollo and be like, hey, man, I like this girl.
03:52:12.780
She's been with 45 dudes and she's making me wait ten dates.
03:52:15.240
We'd be like, bro, what the fuck is wrong with you?
03:52:19.120
They'll stick around because you're their only option and they're like, you know, I
03:52:22.120
know if I just say the right thing or do the right thing, I'm going to get in there.
03:52:25.500
When you recognize you're his only option, you're not going to be that attracted to him.
03:52:28.980
It's just not the way supply and demand works, right?
03:52:31.320
So, I mean, but let me tell you something, ladies.
03:52:32.840
Because I do feel, bro, I see these dudes, like I feel like it's been so, when I got
03:52:37.640
older, when I turned the age of 40, I remember having an easier time meeting women because
03:52:41.480
my competition is Tekashi 6ix9ine and fucking Machine Gun Kelly.
03:52:45.160
Like that's who I have to compete with dude to wear pink dresses and like that's not really
03:52:51.380
It's just, man, I just saw this lack of masculinity just sucked out of this dating marketplace with
03:52:56.700
men who had never bench pressed 200 pounds, been a fucking fight, played football, any
03:53:01.280
of these like basic things that I went through, the teasing and the razzing that happened.
03:53:06.080
These dudes will report me on fucking Instagram if I say bad words to them now.
03:53:10.200
Like I cannot believe these men that I, that you guys have to pick from and I feel bad,
03:53:15.540
So, don't think that I don't empathize with the situation.
03:53:18.200
Women would rather share an alpha guy than to be saddled with the beta loser.
03:53:27.220
Yeah, when do we get, when do we get Alex Jones over here with our own fucking show?
03:53:31.380
I just think that, I just think, yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
03:53:33.720
Honestly, I don't think it's, I don't think it's right or left or political or anything
03:53:37.720
I just think it's the way that we have sort of acculturated like multiple generations of
03:53:46.660
I can, I can make the same arguments against conservatives as I can with, with, you know,
03:53:54.780
It's just they, what is it, you know, trad cons are just progressives driving the speed
03:54:00.720
They're just doing, they're just doing what they think is right.
03:54:03.140
And the guys on the right are just as weesh as the guys on the left right now.
03:54:09.980
When, when, when Justin's here and we're talking about like how he's going to have the pick
03:54:14.200
of the litter and women are more than willing to share him, we're getting to a default situation
03:54:18.700
where women would, because they'll share, that becomes polygamy.
03:54:22.940
It's one guy gets, gets many, many women and it's not because he's trying to, or polygyny,
03:54:29.740
It's because he's the best option and women are more than, whether they're consciously
03:54:33.560
doing it or not, he's the best option to, to wait out.
03:54:38.000
I hope if I can get with him, if I do this, then he'll want to stay with me.
03:54:40.780
He'll, it'll be closed on both our ends and we'll live happily ever after because he's
03:54:44.920
Well, what Mike is just saying right here is the competition is so low right now that
03:54:51.580
The guy who's the apex alpha becomes the default choice.
03:54:54.920
So, you have the state of polygyny, I guess, where it's one man and many women, but it's
03:55:00.660
initiated by women because their only selection are the one that they want to get with.
03:55:04.140
They don't need a man for long-term security because they've already taken care of that.
03:55:08.180
So, they don't need a man, but they want a man.
03:55:14.540
They want the guy who's going to be the good sexual experience for them.
03:55:17.760
And then, other guys who are the lesser men, they complain about him because he ruined
03:55:22.880
He ruined the girl that, that now I'm married to and my life is a living hell because she
03:55:32.240
I have to announce something really quick and I need to apologize to somebody here.
03:55:49.720
I think it was the last podcast we reacted to Payo.
03:55:52.100
We reacted to that Twitch clip of him with the keyboard and then we reacted to his...
03:56:00.940
He raided us on Twitch and I missed it, which is like really bad form on Twitch.
03:56:08.580
Our primary stream platform is YouTube, so we missed it on Twitch.
03:56:16.300
So, pull up his Instagram just so we can shout him out and then we're going to have the
03:56:24.020
And then if you recall that Twitch clip we reacted to, I don't know how you're going to
03:56:48.740
Just sorry to disappoint my co-house Slytherin colleague you.
03:56:52.380
I am wearing a Slytherin t-shirt as a father of two happily married.
03:56:57.680
Thank you for the big $210 donation there through Streamlabs.
03:57:02.640
Yeah, forgot to read What's the Trigger for TTS.
03:57:07.560
Oh, I think maybe you sent one earlier at a lower threshold.
03:57:15.240
Payo, if you're watching this, I don't know if you still are.
03:57:32.080
So, like, he's a gamer, like, top-tier World of Warcraft gamer.
03:57:35.100
Do his eyes close more, or are they just stuck like that?
03:57:38.620
He had Thunderfury on, like, two of his level 60 rogues in vanilla,
03:57:45.860
Eric, zoom in on that one with Thunderfury with a sword.
03:57:49.320
So, ladies, yes or no, would you date this guy?
03:57:51.380
Look, he's got the physiology of a high elf from Skyrim.
03:57:55.280
Like, if he, like, put the slider up all the way.
03:57:57.960
He's a little thick in the waist for a high elf.
03:58:14.280
If he offered to fly you out, would you go see him?
03:58:18.440
I don't know, because I'm seeing someone right now.
03:58:38.400
Like, he's just, like, finally he decided to play a rogue.
03:58:44.360
But he, like, tried to level a hunter, like, seven times.
03:59:25.840
Like, you know, I just want to argue back and forth on which one's the best anime, you know,
03:59:55.620
I don't think we ever downloaded this in the video tab.
04:00:01.900
Yeah, but Payo, I apologize for missing your raid.
04:00:08.800
Again, YouTube's our primary platform, so we're not really, like, following what's going
04:00:14.920
While we're talking about Twitch, though, and while Eric finds that, Eric, can you pull
04:00:18.660
Let me shout these people out for the last time.
04:00:21.100
And, okay, yo, guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
04:00:26.820
If you have Amazon Prime, you link it to your Twitch quick, free, easy way every single
04:00:44.360
Really appreciate all the support guys tonight on Twitch.
04:00:52.160
Twitch.tv slash whatever if you want to support over there.
04:00:56.380
Okay, did we have any Super Chats come in there?
04:01:02.200
Once you're caught up, you're caught up with the...
04:01:08.720
While I'm trying to find it, does anyone have final thought or...
04:01:11.740
Earlier, we were asking about questions that we have amongst the group about dating and
04:01:15.960
Okay, so I have a question for the chat, but also for you guys as well.
04:01:18.820
So for me, for example, my last situation, relationship, whatever you want to call it, it lasted for seven
04:01:25.360
months, but I wanted more and he didn't, right?
04:01:28.200
So with the guy that I'm talking to now, how long do you guys think I should wait for him
04:01:47.720
I think that should be on you to try to be maneuvering towards that.
04:01:50.520
I know, but I feel like for me, I tend to just be like, okay, I'll wait it out.
04:01:54.420
I'll put all my energy towards that person and I'll be like...
04:01:59.200
Yeah, that golden three months, you know, where people start showing it real clearly
04:02:03.980
That's when things start getting sour or it's when people start showing their true colors,
04:02:16.200
And how long have you been talking to this other guy?
04:02:17.800
This one right now, like a week and a half, two weeks.
04:02:20.920
Well, they say that you know whether you're attracted to somebody in 0.3 seconds.
04:02:26.660
No, I'm attracted to him, but like it's more of the fact of like...
04:02:31.900
And like if he starts crossing boundaries that you have, like you want him to want you
04:02:40.740
and see you and see you for like a, you know, the woman that you are, not obviously for
04:02:55.700
Like some guys, I think I would know within like a week if he was actually somebody that
04:03:08.080
What you need to look for are his actions, not the words.
04:03:14.240
So if you had a dude who was like down to kill for you and he was doing everything right
04:03:18.900
and he never asked you to be like labeled the relationship, but he wasn't talking to
04:03:22.300
any other girls, you should take that before you take a dude who's lying to you and says,
04:03:30.160
I just had Adam Sosnick on my show and he was talking about when Chris Humphreys
04:03:33.780
proposed to Kim Kardashian and he was like, one of the things that Chris Humphreys does
04:03:39.140
is he plays the I love you card like quick first, quick on.
04:03:42.840
This dude's got $50 million and he's 6'10 and he's good looking and he tells girls straight
04:03:49.040
So the thing is, fuck all those words, just pay attention to the actions that he does.
04:03:59.200
If you don't see anything, he's with you all the time and he's meeting those demands.
04:04:03.460
Again, this is going to sound insulting, ladies.
04:04:05.940
Pay way more attention to what he's doing and pay way less attention to how you feel.
04:04:13.880
And I know ladies are like, no, no, it's all about my feelings.
04:04:17.160
Pay way more attention to what he's doing and pay way less attention to how you feel.
04:04:20.940
By the way, if you paid way less attention to how you feel in everything, you'd probably
04:04:25.220
Just stop paying attention so much to how you feel.
04:04:27.920
Pay more attention to his actions and you will get so much further as far as reading people.
04:04:32.820
Rule number one in men of action, we don't listen to the motherfucking words.
04:04:46.500
What he is doing is communicating things to you.
04:04:50.180
When guys come in, they'll say to him or me, they'll be like, oh, she's sending me mixed
04:04:56.320
And he's not sending you mixed messages either.
04:04:58.420
That's what he's behaving in a way that is telling you, this is where I'm at.
04:05:03.800
So the issue with me is like this dude, he's very well on like in our, in our area, like
04:05:10.240
And I have gotten like a lot of things, a lot of people have been coming up to me, telling
04:05:15.480
But at the same time, I don't want to get to know him first before anything.
04:05:18.320
But at the same time, all these people that are telling me things have known him way longer
04:05:22.020
So I'm like, okay, I'm like, that's not an action though.
04:05:28.660
The men, men who served together during World War II are friends throughout life, or even
04:05:34.060
if they're not friends, they trust one another because there was so much sacrifice that went
04:05:39.420
Those things that call, that create sacrifice, those are the things you should believe.
04:05:43.980
Rumors require zero sacrifice, which is why they're mostly bullshit.
04:05:50.840
But my point is, a lot of times, and this is the other thing, I was a hoe until I wasn't
04:05:56.500
a hoe when I met the girl I didn't want to not be a hoe for.
04:05:59.040
So these things that you hear about before, they don't matter as much previous to your
04:06:05.760
But also those things are words and they're not actions.
04:06:12.460
The people who fought for the U.S. military, they showed action that they loved America.
04:06:18.040
It's not a social media post, it's actually going out there and taking on live fire.
04:06:22.260
So I would only pay attention to what actions I see and pay very little attention, especially
04:06:27.280
because it is an evolutionary adaptation for women to denigrate other women by calling
04:06:31.520
other women hoes or to denigrate other men by saying, oh, he's untrustworthy, when secretly
04:06:40.200
And the thing is, even with me, communication is a big thing.
04:06:42.880
So I had even talked to him about it and I was like, I had people coming up to me telling
04:06:52.160
And at first I was like, and then after I was like, okay, maybe I can kind of see it.
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Wait, this is the guy you've been seeing for three months?
04:07:02.260
I think that you presenting that, just my opinion, I think that you presenting something
04:07:05.140
like that into the relationship so early on might make him a little more hesitant to
04:07:12.140
Just because you're bringing such an emotional topic in to something that's basically just
04:07:18.320
No, no, no with this, because we do communicate and talk about a lot of our feelings, which
04:07:27.340
That's why I say to start a relationship with somebody, you have to be blunt and tell
04:07:33.660
And if they tell you something at that point, yes, they can tell you something, which is
04:07:37.540
And as you say, actions throughout that timeline, from that point on, after you told them directly
04:07:41.880
what you want from that point on, he will show you what he wants because guys are actions.
04:07:47.680
And if he shows you, obviously he ignoring your phone call, he's, he's late texting you.
04:08:02.400
So if you're having, oh, let's talk, where are we at?
04:08:07.160
But when you throw a direct statement out there, how can you?
04:08:13.660
When you get to the point where it's like you're talking, like I think too many, especially
04:08:18.120
this generation, too many people think that the key to a healthy relationship is open communication.
04:08:30.620
We're going to do the Twitch thing really quick.
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Just pull up the Twitch because I want to show you the DM he sent me.
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Go in the corner next to the channel icon, far right, top corner, next to the whispers, whispers.
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You ignored my raid like a little chicken shit.
04:09:02.560
Yeah, like I said, YouTube is our primary streaming platform.
04:09:06.720
I'm going to get that fixed, though, so we get a notification if we get a notable raid.
04:09:11.540
Speaking of payo, we're going to just – a couple of you said yes, you would date him.
04:09:15.360
However, I want to show you a video which may change your mind.
04:09:21.380
And Justin, I want you to weigh in on this too because this is –
04:09:39.820
Well, how do you get maggots on your fucking keyboard?
04:09:49.840
Why do you got an old school fucking keyboard like that?
04:09:51.700
I kind of want to see his full setup, not just like the –
04:10:07.160
You want to join him in his good cave, don't you?
04:10:09.500
No, I'm a bit of a neat myself, so I don't really like –
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I think you should get a better one, first of all.
04:10:35.060
I can't judge too hard because my keyboard doesn't look great either,
04:10:39.000
although I don't know how him and I would do together.
04:10:41.520
Because we're both messy, so it might be a disaster.
04:10:45.100
You have a dirty, disgusting keyboard like that, too?
04:10:56.380
Yeah, a very important part of being a gentleman and having class
04:11:01.000
When you bring a woman into a house that's dirty,
04:11:03.820
because she feels like she's at a fucking frat house.
04:11:05.840
If you want women to sleep with you and take you seriously,
04:11:14.720
Otherwise, she's just some frat whore in a whorehouse.
04:11:40.320
then she just feels like she's in a trashy place.
04:11:46.820
So make them feel like they're in a classy environment.
04:12:50.320
And get it set up before you bring us over there.
04:13:28.360
I just wanted to say that Spring, Kiel, whatever, the guy in chat, Oblivion is the better game.
04:13:48.220
If you're saying that I value sexual exclusivity above everything else, that's fine.
04:13:54.320
If I want the most reliable car I can buy, I can't go into the Ferrari garage and say
04:14:07.120
If you want a top, top, top tier man, he's going to do certain things.
04:14:12.980
If you go to one of these parties in Miami, and one of these chicks is chilling with Chris
04:14:16.780
Brown, do you think she believes he's going to be loyal?
04:14:21.580
Women intrinsically understand that certain value of male.
04:14:24.700
They're not going to get sexual exclusivity, and they don't care.
04:14:45.380
Well, I think the point he's trying to make is that when you're dealing with a certain
04:14:48.360
tier of man, a certain status of man, perhaps not all of them, but some of them, they're
04:14:55.160
Like, perhaps, for example, you're not going to get exclusivity from that kind of guy.
04:15:00.240
I've definitely experienced that, so I kind of stopped going for people that had fame
04:15:07.880
I would say more so if it's someone that has some fame.
04:15:10.240
I definitely have experienced, yeah, they fuck around, so I've just stayed away from
04:15:14.560
The question is, if you want a high-value man, you have to be okay with exclusivity.
04:15:35.800
Yeah, I think if you're seeking, like, a top 1%.
04:15:41.100
I think if you're seeking a top 1% guy, then, yeah, it is his prerogative to have multiple
04:15:45.680
For me, personally, like, I'm not seeking, again, those traits, so that wouldn't really
04:15:49.320
Like, my definition of a high-quality man isn't the same as, like, a high-value man.
04:16:25.380
Just use the side of your hand and just get up in that dookie.
04:16:47.100
So the question is if I'm going to date someone that's...
04:17:17.840
I'd rather have someone that wasn't in the top 1%
04:17:37.740
Meaning, you're not seeking out other people's attention.
04:17:54.300
obviously, A, I would want to be a high-quality woman.
04:17:57.000
Otherwise, I completely would understand, like,
04:18:22.280
And I actually brought this up in my fourth book,
04:18:26.040
And it's actually drawn from another book called Alpha God
04:18:29.380
by another evolutionary psychologist, Dr. Hector Garcia.
04:19:13.480
And so therefore, if you want to get with a guy
04:19:27.760
And the reason we have this conversation right now
04:20:01.980
and you've got Lamborghinis and everything else.
04:20:09.400
You can find the same thing in Dr. Martin Luther King.
04:20:56.860
was fucking Jessica Biel and Jessica Alba and Mariah Carey?
04:22:45.520
You know, he didn't just like get up there, you know?
04:22:57.800
And I think that having sex with more than just your husband or wife is wrong.
04:23:08.400
Even if he, if he like doesn't have feelings for her.
04:23:11.740
So it's just one night stand, he sleeps with her and he comes back to you the same the next
04:23:16.280
day and loves you, kisses you, pays for everything the same.
04:23:20.820
And if he hides that from you, that's even a bigger problem.
04:23:24.860
So now if he comes to you straight forward after that one night stand says, yes, I did
04:23:38.880
I'm telling you right now, they won't leave you.
04:23:43.680
Now, now, this is two different perspectives because she has a living life.
04:23:46.320
Yeah, but she doesn't know what she wants because when she runs into that dude, she's
04:23:51.420
And so all she can do is use guilt against him, but she's not going to leave him because
04:24:01.960
And, and, and after a certain age, after a certain age and you guys get married, he will eventually
04:24:08.960
cheat because there's tons of women in this world.
04:24:12.240
And as he says, you know, men have higher testosterone than girls and they need to release
04:24:19.520
And this, the hoe, the side, whatever, like, you know, like all those powerful men had
04:24:24.680
were those people that they released the stress on.
04:24:27.280
Like, so, and obviously as his wife, he, she, she knows, she knows there are people in
04:24:34.600
Let me ask you, would you stay in that relationship still is what, why, like, why do these women
04:24:41.280
I think it would be very, very, very hard for me to leave.
04:24:47.440
There's, it's too broad of a question, but I do think that it would be very, very, very,
04:24:53.860
Because your dilemma is you're going to leave him for a man that you love less that would
04:24:59.840
So you're talking about leaving like a high level guy that is truly there for you emotionally
04:25:03.480
and in every way, knowing that even if you left him for a man that you love less, that
04:25:08.380
You don't think that that would be unfair to me?
04:25:11.060
You're going to leave him for a man you love less, right?
04:25:14.360
More than likely, if you were that in love with him, who would cheat on you anyway, if he
04:25:17.420
could, because a lot of men use the fact that they can't get other women for loyalty.
04:25:21.140
And I think women make the mistake of believing that.
04:25:25.340
I would never marry somebody that had that idea.
04:25:29.320
You would marry somebody and you knew it was in your mind.
04:25:31.520
But I want to tell you right now, when you genuinely fall in love with a man, you're not
04:25:35.580
And one thing that I think is really important about this is if he sat you down and told you
04:25:38.820
the truth, you would respect that much more than a coward that did it behind your back.
04:25:42.780
I would not marry somebody and commit myself to somebody that was okay with sleeping with another
04:25:55.900
The other thing is, and let's make this, because he alluded to this kind of, your boyfriend
04:26:04.520
That means that he's a weak man and he chooses to not get in fights because he's going to get
04:26:08.880
That doesn't make a peaceful man is a man that can conduct massive amounts of violence
04:26:14.080
And because your man doesn't cheat because he's unattractive doesn't make him a faithful man.
04:26:18.760
He's not cheating on you because he can't find other women.
04:26:22.120
And you need to determine which is which because oftentimes, ladies, you don't until it's
04:26:26.580
too late and then you break up with him because you realize you didn't get a faithful man.
04:26:32.540
I've loved your guys' message until this point.
04:26:40.240
What we're telling you is more likely you would stay because most women would stay.
04:26:46.500
You would, unfortunately, and you would hate it, but you would stay.
04:26:50.640
So what they're trying to say is that this man is providing for you.
04:26:54.520
Like, as in, he pays for everything, the lights to turn on, the food that you're eating
04:26:58.880
I would also say not just financially, like emotionally and everywhere.
04:27:07.800
But it's just the one day that he, you know, messes with another girl and he told you
04:27:26.760
You're tying sexual exclusivity to commitment, but men that have to do that, more than likely
04:27:34.480
Now, in the beginning of this podcast, I did say.
04:27:39.800
In the beginning of this podcast, I did say he will cheat on you because of a certain
04:27:45.300
Now, it feels like in a relationship, as I said, you have to lean.
04:27:50.320
Now, if a guy or person or girl invests too much, obviously they have that will of, oh,
04:27:57.460
I can do whatever I want because I'm paying for this person.
04:28:05.860
And you are going to be sitting at home scared to death that one day he is going to cheat
04:28:10.400
And you're going to have that constant fear in your head.
04:28:14.240
It's not like we're just like, oh, yeah, it's okay if you cheat on me.
04:28:18.180
You know, my problem with it is, though, is calling it cheating at all.
04:28:23.800
It's the fucking cowards that I have a problem with.
04:28:25.700
It's the dude that's too scared to tell you to your face.
04:28:29.440
And every girl I see watches every podcast I do.
04:28:32.480
So let me see if I can give you a little bit of hope in this hopeless situation here.
04:28:36.980
So in July, I will have been married for 27 years.
04:28:46.640
So here's the thing is when it comes to infidelity, and this is men and women, but in the case, since we're talking about men here, men cheat for two reasons.
04:28:55.940
Or there's two factors involved when men cheat, okay?
04:28:59.560
Opportunity, which we were just discussing, and a reason, okay?
04:29:12.600
Walk through any major airport right now, and you will see just how optionless, just by looking at these guys, that these guys are not going to cheat because they have no, no one wants to fuck these guys, okay?
04:29:33.780
So, and then the second part of this is that, is a reason, okay?
04:29:43.800
Then there's guys like me who have plenty of opportunity, but my wife gives me no fucking reason to cheat, okay?
04:29:49.920
So, when I come on a show like this, you know who, you know what we do every other week, right?
04:29:56.020
My wife trusts me implicitly, and I have respect for my wife as well.
04:30:00.120
It is closed on her end and closed on my end, and that's the way it's been for coming up on 27 years right now.
04:30:06.020
So, people in the red pill will say, oh, Rolo's red, he's red pill, he can't be married, or he can't be married because he's red pill, right?
04:30:15.360
That's why I get in trouble with sons of bitches like Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro and Lauren Chen, because they don't know my background.
04:30:23.360
90% of the people who are critics of the red pill simply don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
04:30:29.100
So, when I am out there and I'm talking about this stuff, people go, people want to, like, for instance, I've been married longer than Ben Shapiro.
04:30:42.720
And I'm very much in love, and before we came out here, I knocked it out with my wife.
04:30:51.380
But, again, that's – but, see, when I say that, it sounds like a flex.
04:30:54.800
I'm not trying to flex, and that's why I said don't clap, okay, because that's just the way my relationship works.
04:31:01.200
It doesn't work the same way that there is, and it's a lifestyle choice that I happen to be in, and I want – I will, you know, be happy – I'm happy where I'm at where it's at.
04:31:09.760
So, it's not a lack of – it's not a lack of opportunity.
04:31:12.780
It's a lack of a reason, because my wife takes care of me sexually and in every other sense as well.
04:31:20.660
I'm not in a fucking, you know, open relationship.
04:31:24.760
I hope it makes a comeback someday, but it's closed on my end, and it's closed on her end.
04:31:29.020
She doesn't advertise on fucking OnlyFans or Instagram or whatever.
04:31:33.040
You can go – it frustrates the fuck out of my haters because they go and they try to find my wife on OnlyFans or they try to find her on fucking Instagram or Facebook.
04:31:46.260
I can appreciate that they're disclosing that to their wives or significant others or whatever, but I think pushing that message will harm society and not help it.
04:31:57.920
The problem is – okay, so let me – now I'll take issue with that.
04:32:01.100
The reason why it won't harm society is because what they're doing is just in response to what the sexual marketplace has become right now.
04:32:07.480
As I said, everybody here says, men ain't shit.
04:32:15.140
They are either abusers, they are, you know, incompetent, or they're like doofy Homer Simpson guys.
04:32:21.940
So, for the last three or four generations, we have turned women into the men that they wanted to marry in the first place because they become strong, independent women because they had to be because they can't rely on men to do what Justin is saying, right?
04:32:35.400
So, what happens is that changes the sexual economy that is the sexual marketplace, and what happens is this is just a reaction to the market, to stresses that are in an economy.
04:32:46.620
So, we – right now, I'm a freaking dinosaur when it comes to fucking – to marriage because I'm the last of a dying breed right now because the economy, the sexual economy has changed.
04:33:02.500
Well, we do – we do have to keep things moving.
04:33:08.060
We got to move things on because I'm going to try to wrap the show.
04:33:10.940
I just want to – since we're speaking of Andrew Tate really quickly, Justin, you are involved in the war room.
04:33:19.820
Are you like the number two guy or like how – what's your – if you could just into the mic.
04:33:23.260
I hope guys get into the war room every day and to the real world.
04:33:28.540
It's just something that me and Andrew decided to do together.
04:33:32.820
It's just something that I'm a part of on a high-level team.
04:33:36.080
So, you could say the same for Sartorial Shooter or many of the other guys like Lou Barnett.
04:33:42.540
You know, we just kind of came together and decided to put a group effort into something that's changing the world, man.
04:33:47.480
And it's the most fulfilling work I've ever done.
04:33:53.700
So, first off, Destiny, thank you for the $100 soup chat.
04:33:57.320
Looking forward to having you on the show in about, what, two weeks, is it?
04:34:11.240
This is an absolutely delusional talking point that only exists in red pill circles.
04:34:15.440
Women do not tolerate men cheating, especially not women that run in circles with HBM men.
04:34:22.020
No sane woman will agree to these arrangements.
04:34:24.440
So, the problem is, the problem is what he's saying is simply just factually incorrect.
04:34:28.960
The idea that no woman would agree to these arrangements.
04:34:31.820
There's just no way that you can go through, again, I know there's some women who don't agree to these arrangements.
04:34:36.180
My point is, no, that's not it, because I don't cheat on her.
04:34:39.900
What he's saying is that there are Russian oligarchs who are around high status, high value men that do this.
04:34:49.340
What he said is that no sane woman would agree to these, that's just simply not factually.
04:35:21.500
I'm sorry I said that in front of his girl, but I'm sorry.
04:35:27.240
You said, you know, in terms of the person you're eventually looking to get with, you
04:35:30.800
know, you want this really good connection, whatever it may be.
04:35:38.680
That definitely fits my hopeless romantic criteria.
04:35:50.580
Legitimately, a polyamorous relationship is the arrangement he's saying that no sane woman
04:36:01.740
How would you feel if he got another girl pregnant?
04:36:17.100
If I'm not a part of it, then yes, that's cheating.
04:36:20.560
Because I'm giving you all that, like, don't worry about it.
04:36:32.560
If she's in a hypothetical relationship, would she be upset if that happened?
04:36:37.360
Hypothetically speaking, if, like, the guy I was dating got another girl pregnant, would
04:36:42.680
Because I'm asking in this scenario, what happens when the...
04:37:02.920
I don't know if the Destiny thing's going on now.
04:37:05.520
I mean, does Destiny not live exactly that lifestyle?
04:37:09.340
Well, I'm sure he's talking specifically about an arrangement of allowing men to cheat.
04:37:14.300
I mean, the other part is, like, he also presets it here, which is no sane woman, right?
04:37:20.160
Okay, well, so now we can say, well, they must be damned.
04:37:22.580
If they're doing it, there must be something very, very wrong with them.
04:37:25.320
No, he's saying if it's one-sided, his marriage is that they can both be polyamorous.
04:37:30.000
Yeah, but I mean, I just, like, I mean, we can argue her sanity, but...
04:37:35.240
He's saying the insanity would be letting it happen just on one side, just because he's
04:37:41.940
And then second of all, it's like, again, as I was saying, all this is, is just a beta
04:37:48.260
I can't get fucking laid if I don't allow my wife to go out and fuck other guys.
04:37:53.820
So, therefore, I'm going to have to go and allow this to happen so that I can go out
04:37:59.080
Whenever you have an open relationship, the one who benefits the most is usually the one
04:38:12.020
I don't think that's what we're talking about right here.
04:38:13.280
Justin, it looks like you wanted to say something.
04:38:17.800
I was just going to say that there's a class of women that don't work, that raise their
04:38:21.920
own children, that live in a country club and go on vacations five, six, seven, eight
04:38:26.800
times a year, and they're laughing at women that say they wouldn't let a man cheat because
04:38:32.540
And the difference is that those women that live in that country club are actually madly,
04:38:36.940
You can shake your head if you want, and you wouldn't leave them.
04:38:38.900
And maybe in 10 years, you're going to find out yourself when you're pushing that golf
04:38:42.060
Again, the second hyperbole, this discussion only exists in red pill circles, is, again,
04:38:50.940
I can name multiple other circles that existed far before any of this happened, where women
04:39:02.800
But my question's not being answered, which is, so let's say that woman is okay with...
04:39:14.560
Does she not care, then, if a kid, if somebody has a kid with another one?
04:39:21.480
At some level of man, the woman stops fighting for sexual exclusivity and starts fighting
04:39:40.760
Yeah, and I'm not saying it's fair, and I'm not saying...
04:39:42.720
Look, I say all the time, if I could stroke a check for a million dollars right now and
04:39:46.020
make that feeling come out of me, I'd write it today.
04:39:49.700
When people hit me up, I know people will criticize me of this, too.
04:40:01.440
I think that's actually a good, you know, ideal to strive for.
04:40:05.860
I'm just saying today, it is untenable, and the way we do marriage today, I can't advocate
04:40:11.860
I can't say, hey, everybody ought to get married, because it's all downside risk for guys
04:40:19.820
What he's saying right here, men still have authority, because it's like, it's open on my
04:40:28.640
It's you, and it's not like he's forcing her to stay there as some sort of sex slave chained
04:40:36.160
It would be a situation where she, like, the man is honestly, she's choosing you, and what's
04:40:44.180
really messed up about it, honestly, I sometimes believe it's harder for women, because by the
04:40:49.700
time you find the man that clicks off all those boxes, he is in so much abundance of women
04:40:54.320
that you're in a, not a very good negotiating position.
04:40:57.300
I'm not advocating that you go, like, I'm not trying to tell you that you should accept
04:41:01.520
I think that every person in this world should have choice.
04:41:03.920
But I am saying there's a lot of relationship dynamics that are out there, that are acceptable,
04:41:08.260
that are far less, destinies being one of them, that I personally wouldn't want, that
04:41:13.660
are far less, let's say, a bad situation than the traditional man that takes care of you
04:41:19.380
fully and might slip out every now and then, but comes home, holds you at night, tucks
04:41:31.480
Destiny, confirm or deny, is there a romantic thing going on?
04:41:37.100
Is there, Destiny, confirm or deny, is there, do you think, like, if he wasn't doing this,
04:41:41.000
like, polygamous open marriage thing, would you, like, he's a smart guy.
04:41:47.180
If he wasn't banging Lauren Southern, would you be with me?
04:41:49.680
Do you feel any chemistry in any of the chemistry that you stated before?
04:41:54.760
I'm trying to wingman for Destiny, like, you know, you down?
04:42:00.460
Like, can I, like, arrange a date between you guys?
04:42:04.180
I mean, we live in the same city, yeah, but you can arrange it.
04:42:10.320
I'm taking credit for this romance that's going to blossom.
04:42:13.840
Okay, last video, and then we're going to wrap.
04:42:19.000
Let's play the Patrice clip, and then wrap on that.
04:42:21.660
Oh, do we have any Super Chats, Eric, or are we good?
04:42:29.520
We'll react to it, and then we're going to wrap.
04:42:37.640
If you didn't have a vagina, like, say it was a terrible train accident, right?
04:42:43.700
And the doctor was like, we have to remove your pussy right away, or you're going to die.
04:42:52.680
How would you keep your man past you get a two-month guilty, I can't leave the bitch right away because you just lost the pussy in the train accident?
04:43:11.120
How would you keep your man past that if you didn't have a vagina?
04:43:41.440
My relationship history has already operated that way.
04:43:45.880
And perhaps her vagina did come off in a train accident.
04:43:49.120
There have been some train accidents in this country recently,
04:43:51.900
so it's plausible that a woman could have lost her pussy in a train accident.
04:43:55.520
Virginity just might be a cope for a loss of vagina.
04:44:13.900
I'd probably make him my work husband, honestly.
04:44:33.660
Of course, but I didn't need my pussy to even talk to this dude.
04:44:44.920
Are you guys talking as far as sexual pleasure?
04:44:56.660
Or are we talking about what else are they benefiting besides that?
04:45:07.100
what do you do to keep your man however you want to view it?
04:45:29.380
Everybody in the chat who's seen this bit already
04:45:33.880
I thought there was a thing behind me for a second.
04:46:21.180
What do you do to keep your men into the mic, please?
04:47:09.500
Now, I've been getting pussybeating the whole show, right?
04:47:15.900
But you just classified yourself as a series of holes.
04:47:19.300
But, you know, I'm supposed to teach you the special,
04:47:36.100
get another bitch that got a pussy to come on in.
04:48:12.160
I'm sorry to say that in front of your girlfriend.
04:48:13.740
I'm sorry to say that in front of your girlfriend.
04:48:15.800
I'm sorry to say that in front of your girlfriend.
04:48:56.620
Okay, the blue hair tells me everything I need to know.
04:49:31.340
Like, I think Destiny's a super intelligent guy.
04:49:44.240
Probably, like, one of the top debaters out there.
04:50:10.100
Girl, you would break the internet if you did that shit.
04:50:26.520
No, it's somebody who can make me laugh and share the same things that I like.
04:50:35.020
Can I arrange a meeting between you and Destiny?
04:50:38.160
Like, maybe it could be a triple date or something, like you guys?
04:51:03.220
Maybe despite her scathing review, she might still be down.
04:51:23.540
I think I should set him up with it while he's on the stream, by the way.
04:51:27.200
Maybe one of the Game Boys he can play while he's on the stream.
04:52:05.920
Oh, I have to do one question that's related to our sponsorship really quick.
04:52:10.180
Just a show of hands, who here would date an MMA fighter?
04:52:32.320
Well, okay, in any case, go watch Access Vegas.
04:52:42.980
Check out Justin's channel on YouTube, Jay Waller.
04:52:48.580
And join the war room and say, Jay Waller sent you.
04:52:58.780
Can we do like a coupon code, like a whatever coupon code for like 50 bucks off?
04:53:28.260
If you have Amazon Prime, you can link it to your Twitch quick, free, easy way every single
04:54:01.060
You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
04:54:05.200
Thank you to everyone who, like, you guys blew me away tonight.
04:54:10.360
We are just like 10,000 of you, I think was our peak.
04:54:16.040
So, thank you to everyone who super chats and supports the show, who donated through Streamlabs.
04:54:27.980
I know a lot of you came from out of town, out of state.
04:54:42.620
If you check out some of Rolo and our stuff, don't do it at work.
04:54:48.420
If you go to my Instagram, for sure, do not open it at work.
04:54:51.700
Oh, we'll be in Miami the 15th through the 21st.
04:55:01.320
We have a bunch of influencers coming together to raise money for animal rescue in South Beach.
04:55:05.700
And we'll be on value attainment 17th and 18th and all kinds of places.
04:55:09.920
And then, yeah, as far as this book goes, guys.
04:55:14.180
I just want to say, Rolo, I read your book after a difficult breakup.
04:55:18.940
I'd sort of, kind of been aware of some of this stuff in the space a little bit.
04:55:23.240
But your book was a major kind of shift in how I started viewing things.
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It's available in audio book format, PDF, digital.
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Not yet, but there will be by October because the 10th anniversary edition will be out in October.
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Guys, you will not know how to proceed in life.
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Justin will be joining us again for that show, right?
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And we're going to have a very solid panel for that show, too.