Whatever Podcast - Dating Talk #75

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00:04:27.140 ado after that rather long-winded introduction we're gonna have the guests introduce themselves

00:04:31.100 so please tell us your name age and occupation go ahead hey my name is steven bunnell 34 years old

00:04:37.600 uh people know me online and on instagram as destiny okay welcome i'm melina known as melina

00:04:46.440 on social medias as well melina jorenson i do twitch i'm 24 and i'm married to this my wife destiny

00:04:53.520 yeah your wife your wife destiny shots fired she's such a beautiful woman thank you

00:04:58.480 and i'm aaron aka straighterade on all platforms i'm 24 and i'm looking to do live streaming

00:05:05.400 all right what about you hi i'm pixie pxie i currently stream and yeah you can find me on

00:05:13.260 twitter or twitch age oh 24 oh wow 24 okay i'm billy ray i'm 25 and i am a content creator mostly on

00:05:25.780 the topic of men's dating welcome um i'm nev i'm 20 i got fired from pet smarts so now i'm working

00:05:33.360 at los pollos hermanos and yeah oh this girl all right i'm jonathan also known as mld i'm 37 i'm

00:05:43.900 based in tokyo japan and i'm here on my youtube tour on whatever podcast i do men's self-improvement

00:05:49.300 i'm mary morgan i'm 22 i'm a commentator at timcast media you can find me on a show called pop culture

00:05:57.340 crisis the inflection your voice suggested there was another bullet point my name is john doyle i

00:06:05.320 am 23 years old and i talk about politics on the internet you said 23 that is correct my name is

00:06:12.600 chase 28 years old professional photographer and brand consultant all right rock and roll uh and before

00:06:19.660 we have everyone give their uh relationship status here wait how old are you i never introduced

00:06:24.320 myself why not you know he needs no introduction i'm the mystery the mystery wow but if i could i want

00:06:32.340 to know yeah i'm curious hi i'm i guess my age yeah go for it 29 no what 34 oh cool just turn just turn

00:06:41.460 yeah it's the red hair makes you look so much younger it brings out the uh yeah but uh thank you i guess

00:06:47.220 that's a compliment yeah i just turned 34 recently so um and i had a couple questions for you destiny

00:06:52.400 so we're destiny you prefer steven call me steven okay got it unless you really want to call me

00:06:56.740 yeah by the way we were talking about this before the show um so and and i feel deeply honored that

00:07:02.800 you did this you left a super chat on yeah two one was accidental yeah and that's your first time

00:07:10.800 super chatting ever on a channel yeah so that's that's a pretty big endorse can we say that destiny

00:07:16.420 endorses the whatever podcast i got so triggered by your episode slamming my keyboard trying to

00:07:21.340 figure out how to throw money at you yeah if that's an endorsement you got it i heard it from

00:07:24.720 the bedroom yeah what was there was what was the super chat it was something you guys were saying

00:07:29.200 some crazy dating shit but i'm sure we'll fight about it here so all right let's go okay that was

00:07:33.400 the one with rollo right yeah and you guys had quite a uh noteworthy debate yesterday with you rollo

00:07:39.820 mike sartain and sneaker so that was a good show um and uh also i just want to pay you a compliment

00:07:47.200 or two um it's cool i i've seen a ton of your videos and you're very intelligent guy exceptional

00:07:53.840 debater so very sharp so i just wanted to give you flowers on that um so i think with that said i

00:07:59.660 reckon we might have our work cut out for us but uh one question have you ever taken the nike u test

00:08:03.620 never never you think it's up there it's probably i'd say probably like 165 170 you know i'd be in

00:08:09.900 a ballpark there yeah gotcha um okay so let's go around the table once more what's your current

00:08:15.940 relationship status are you single are you in the talking phase uh relationship engaged married

00:08:21.440 whatever it may be situationship go ahead um i'd say situationship slash married i guess depending on

00:08:28.320 the day um no yeah we're married we've been together for like probably about four and a half years

00:08:32.140 okay yeah i guess the same same yeah same okay how long was it you said three and a half about

00:08:39.160 four and a half years been married for one and a half years now it's great married for one and a

00:08:43.920 half okay what about you i'm single single longest relationship i never had a relationship never had

00:08:50.840 a relationship what uh what's the longest period of time that you've dated somebody i've never been on

00:08:57.740 a date either never been yeah have you have you been asked out on dates but you rejected the guys

00:09:03.120 or oh no well i i revealed this on like revealed on fresh and fit and then after that i got more

00:09:09.660 date offers than i'd ever gotten in my life but yeah i just haven't taken up random strangers on the

00:09:13.760 internet for dates crazy are you aromantic uh no have you been asked out in real life uh yeah

00:09:19.100 just weren't interested in any of the guys no i i was asked out twice and i got set up for both

00:09:24.600 rip rip rip is in the chat that sucks uh but so you've never had anything with a guy or a woman

00:09:34.400 no sure or a woman what about are they them no or are they them no okay um why do you think that is

00:09:43.420 um that has to do with the fact that like in high school i was in a dual enrollment program and then i

00:09:48.300 just kept my nose in a book for four years because i graduated with my associates and then i got to

00:09:54.360 college and then the pandemic started and then i was busy just doing too much gig work and i didn't

00:09:59.320 have time to like pursue a relationship because i was just focused on like finishing my bachelor's

00:10:03.260 which i did and then the pandemic happened and i just haven't gone around to it yet what did you get

00:10:08.260 your bachelor's in uh biology biology okay are you are you um pursuing like a master's degree or

00:10:14.700 you're done with school i might do it but not sure yet

00:10:17.840 so it's hard for me like are you on dating apps yeah dating apps anything have you ever been

00:10:23.900 no kiss has there been a kiss yes i have in fact there's been a kiss yeah on record i think yeah

00:10:29.900 on on record yeah it's like recorded on a stream or something or not on a stream did you kiss someone

00:10:34.920 that fresh and fit no what would i kiss that fresh and fit fresh no not your type all right uh not

00:10:41.660 exactly no i don't think i'm his either to be fair so i don't know what his type is but uh

00:10:47.820 it's not me fair enough um are you open to having a relationship yeah of course with fresh

00:10:53.240 with fresh with fresh if you myron or fresh which one jesus myron or fresh oh my god

00:10:59.420 those are the last your only two options how about you answer first who would you go for

00:11:06.220 myron or fresh who's just myron would be more capable of protecting me i think yeah i'd be a

00:11:13.500 little frightened i think um if you wanted to be the protector though who would you want to protect

00:11:19.260 that's the question jesus christ this is really i i'm i'm befuddled you've stumped me i don't know

00:11:27.140 yeah that's a tough question it's hard it's tough um i would go for uh big mo behind the scenes

00:11:34.860 good answer good answer 10 out of 10 big mo do you know i don't know if he was there when you

00:11:39.820 were on not familiar who's this big he's like he's the sweetheart of the fresh and fit podcast

00:11:45.720 irresistible i bet he's big yeah big mo he's called big mo he's called big mo so i guess it's

00:11:52.400 not offensive for me to call him big sweetheart great guy and then i'd probably then maybe chris

00:11:56.920 after big mo you're very intimately familiar with the cast of fresh and fit okay um i feel like it's

00:12:05.180 like the a beautiful mind strategy like you don't want to go for the main guys you want to go for the

00:12:08.720 pretty girls in the background so you're opted for all the background people yeah and then interesting

00:12:12.300 strategy and then the two main guys see that i'm kind of not paying attention to them and then they

00:12:17.680 come around because i guess that works okay um and so first kiss but virgin virgin have you had sex

00:12:29.700 had sex well you said you've never introductions first before we get well well i mean it's i mean

00:12:36.140 you're you're uh you don't often hear someone who's for example 24 who's never had a anything

00:12:41.260 so is it uncommon i think it's fairly fairly uncommon in america in america or does it just

00:12:47.560 feel uncommon i feel like on this podcast don't they talk about a lot how like there's increasing

00:12:51.940 rates of loneliness people are delaying things more and more doesn't that also apply to women i'm

00:12:55.720 sure i mean have you had sex or not it's a good question she needs to decide if she's going to take

00:13:02.940 you out later or not oh okay okay well we'll get to that part of the podcast a little later all right

00:13:07.960 you don't want to are you just gonna let her manhandle you like that

00:13:11.340 we'll get to it later but has there been any has there been any you know okay that means the answer

00:13:20.740 is yes right does it but she said she's never dated a guy but you have kissed a guy i have kissed a guy

00:13:27.180 yeah do you want to just answer the question so i can go back to asking destiny questions what

00:13:33.620 now why don't we get to that first no no just answer answer the question answer the question

00:13:38.160 uh what's the question again if you're uncomfortable answering it that's fine but you said you wanted

00:13:42.440 to answer the question later on in the show no no no are you just a virgin just in general

00:13:47.820 just in general yeah like regular virgin does lesbian sex count yeah does what lesbian sex count

00:13:53.800 yeah is that real women or lesbian virgins look have you ever been with a woman have you ever been

00:13:59.300 with a man have you ever been biblically biblically speaking or are they them bro just answer the

00:14:04.540 question jesus christ this is literally like that scene in the breakfast club when they're all

00:14:08.640 pressuring claire to like say whether or not she's no i never did it yeah um you asking me if i'm a

00:14:15.860 virgin yeah yeah it's bro how many times you have to repeat it hello i just have to really make sure

00:14:22.120 what does it mean to be a virgin let's get the definitions out of the way first i'm very curious

00:14:26.500 about that too actually a male you can just say that you're not comfortable answering and move on

00:14:31.120 right just do it just say that you're not comfortable answering and we can move on that's the only reason

00:14:38.080 why somebody wouldn't want to answer that question is because of discomfort just do it make your dreams

00:14:43.400 come true just do it i think we should uh move on from this office good idea chase

00:14:51.480 true all right um well i want to come back to destiny really quick actually we'll we'll let

00:14:56.260 everybody go that's not what i was going to ask but we'll let everybody go then i had a couple

00:15:00.480 specific questions for destiny go ahead um i am currently single my longest relationship was three

00:15:07.680 years okay billy ray i have a wonderful boyfriend rock and roll longest relationship about four years

00:15:18.160 okay uh i'm seeing someone my longest relationship was two closer into the mic i am seeing someone and

00:15:25.660 my longest relationship was two years okay john recently single longest relationship four years five

00:15:34.780 years sure mary currently in my first relationship which is at 10 months i am single my longest relationship

00:15:43.660 was about two years 18 months right around there uh yeah currently single longest relationship about

00:15:50.240 a year and a half and can you give us a little more information about your current situation uh my

00:15:57.780 current situation being that i'm single and uh what you want me to go into the looking for a wife

00:16:03.300 waiting for marriage waiting for marriage current yeah abs practicing abstinence and uh excited to meet

00:16:09.240 the woman that god made for me whenever that happens are you like newly absent like born again

00:16:14.120 abstinent or are you everybody says the born again thing no i uh i became absent in 2020 like you were

00:16:20.500 born in 2020 or how does that i'm trying to does abstinence imply that you've never had he became a

00:16:25.300 christian in 2020 oh no i became so glad for you i became a christian about nine years ago but i've

00:16:29.820 been uh i i repented of fornication in 2020 gotcha yeah okay so you became christian 2014 or 13

00:16:38.380 what kind of what sect are you about march or april of 2015 okay yeah or what denomination are you

00:16:45.760 catholic non-denominational protestant oh my god yeah what you have an opinion on that pick a team

00:16:53.940 okay make a decision i mean i'm looking at me guys you don't go to a church either right it's more

00:16:57.760 no i do so now we're letting what denomination church it's a non-denominational protestant calvary

00:17:02.740 chapel oh they make non-denominational churches i didn't even know that yeah it's wild yeah you can

00:17:08.360 find them usually in strip malls right between like a popeyes and like a planet fitness oh my god

00:17:12.940 they're just pretty normal churches you know they're not in like strip malls no mine's just

00:17:17.800 downtown oh based yeah so that's how really aggressive in here tonight sorry what's up on

00:17:24.140 from her you think or yeah i guess yeah or everybody we're just a lot of energy in here tonight

00:17:28.240 is there yeah a little tension eh it's all good is it do you think it's because of the wig

00:17:32.600 it might be i think that's i think the wig is like staving off more attention that could enter

00:17:38.640 the room oh maybe yeah should we introduce more attention into the room should you take it off

00:17:42.900 i need to fix my hair holy shit that's scuffed i'll get up in a sec uh destiny you have a son

00:17:49.400 correct yeah um are you involved or is um yeah i lived there until he was around nine then i moved

00:17:56.460 to california and then florida and then anytime i travel i try to visit him afterwards so i'm heading up to

00:18:00.720 nebraska tomorrow to hang out with you said he's nine yeah no no until he was nine he's 12 now

00:18:04.600 okay gotcha and you're who here's by

00:18:08.260 this whole side of the panel yeah interesting okay a bunch of degenerates over here um totally

00:18:15.880 haven't found god yet on this side of the table you will in time destiny hold on wait i should put

00:18:21.880 this back on while i ask this question hold on we're decreasing the tension for this question you look

00:18:27.200 like chucky chucky jesus christ i feel more intimidated honestly with it on it's a little

00:18:32.960 scary yeah you feel like he's gonna like try something yeah like he's gonna attack me it feels

00:18:37.300 like i'm in destiny he won't i'll hold him back don't worry oh true yeah uh destiny am i your type

00:18:43.600 i'd say no probably not what the fuck dude what's what's your type in terms of men like if they're

00:18:50.640 like liberal progressive you know the very the they thems you know come on really appearance wise

00:18:56.800 appearance wise um like if i was just like bleeding heart liberal what about chase what about chase is

00:19:04.240 is chase your type yeah would you choose that'll be in the after show we'll talk about that is that

00:19:10.320 is that a yes i only like a guy i only date women wait but you're attracted to men you smash dudes but

00:19:17.160 don't date them we can we'll go with that okay okay is it off if is it off limits well i don't know

00:19:24.360 how much you want to do erotic fan fiction here like if you want like details of my hookup experience

00:19:29.560 with guys we can do that if you want i mean we're on youtube so you know i don't know i mean we don't

00:19:33.960 need certain details but let me just get some basic are you a top or a bottom um thank you yeah yeah

00:19:39.960 we're not we don't know no no okay i don't think we have to get it all are you sure that this is the

00:19:44.600 only side of the table that's bi i mean we're intimately familiar with a lot of guys that are

00:19:49.080 really interesting i don't know if he's the top or a bottom oh you know just like curious you know

00:19:53.400 am i your type yeah am i good can we do it later it's like very interesting you put on the wig

00:20:00.680 and i never say never say never you said it was a lot of tension earlier yeah i respect that but i

00:20:06.120 mean he already rejected me so i kind of like i didn't reject you oh i'm more like a person i'm like

00:20:10.840 a sapiosexual you know you get if you impress me intellectually well that's not going to happen

00:20:16.120 i i spill over my words have you tested your iq brian i don't know um you don't know if you've

00:20:23.320 english is my second language so my uh articulation is pretty poor oh

00:20:27.400 based underscore burner donated two hundred and ninety nine dollars and one cent brian i started

00:20:34.280 watching a month ago your social experiment has convinced me to stop sleeping around which was a

00:20:40.200 big part of my life and focus on the one woman i know i want to marry i'm thankful for your platform

00:20:47.400 keep growing texas forever yo bass burner thank you for the uh big uh tts man really appreciate it

00:20:54.280 glad you enjoy the social experiment um matt props for your uh abstinence as well based burner

00:21:00.600 what was the uh what was the social experiment i think he's referring just the show the show yeah

00:21:05.320 oh i mean i don't i don't know if it's a social experiment but i suppose you could

00:21:08.840 frame it you probably call it that yeah um or because i also did like social experiments like

00:21:13.880 back in the day but i don't i don't think he's referring to that so um that sounded i'd be curious to

00:21:20.520 hear from base burner if he wants to send in another tts what inspired you exactly to stop

00:21:25.080 sleeping around if you want to answer us was a chase for another 300 was it might as well okay um

00:21:34.120 so just a question about your guys's relationship so is it a uh from my understanding it's a polyamorous

00:21:39.320 relationship is that right yeah basically kind of yeah kind of yeah is the wig kind of flippant we

00:21:44.920 don't have like a third flippant we don't we don't have wait what is the wig a little flippant

00:21:49.720 when i'm asking serious questions like a little don't worry about it you know don't worry about

00:21:53.320 it i've gotten used to it now i've seen you more with red hair than not red hair so it's actually

00:21:56.520 kind of normal now okay cool i'll take it off in a bit but you guys were kind of wishy-washy on that

00:22:01.000 answer what does it well we're like poly but we don't like live with like a third person or anything

00:22:04.520 like that what is like the rules of your guys's relationship that you have with each other like

00:22:08.120 what are the rules and boundaries i think generally we just try to communicate with each other when we see other

00:22:12.280 people um honesty yeah and that's pretty much it and that's generally yeah does anybody have veto

00:22:17.480 power over the other i mean like in any relationship anybody does right like if somebody wanted to

00:22:21.960 see somebody and the other person like hated one of their partners it's probably not good so have

00:22:25.720 you guys so melina melina has like an indefinite veto over you and you have an indefinite veto over

00:22:29.960 her yeah just like this guy's like a hard no like if yeah if we have like mortal enemies and

00:22:34.520 the other person's trying to like super them it's probably not going to work out very well yeah no no

00:22:37.560 i'm just i'm not like leading you into any kind of like gotcha moment i just genuinely want to

00:22:41.560 know so if if she wants to see with someone you're like uh no she has to respect it and then vice

00:22:46.280 versa for him yeah has that actually happened before where you had to veto or yeah sometimes yeah

00:22:51.560 there's a lot of like streamer stuff that gets really dramatic sometimes so yeah do you feel

00:22:55.160 like explaining the circumstances like let's say that someone sleeps with a monogamous person and then

00:23:00.440 they get really obsessed with you and then it's kind of like this is really toxic like i want to keep

00:23:04.680 seeing this person but they're like really shitty towards my partner so of course i would want to like

00:23:09.480 like like that's not fun it's not fun for me to listen to someone that i'm sleeping with that

00:23:13.320 hates my partner or the other way around too like knowing that he's sleeping with someone that hates

00:23:17.400 me would you even understand would you even entertain that as a woman like you know this

00:23:21.320 guy like definitely hates your husband i usually just sleep with girls oh okay yeah but it could be

00:23:25.800 the same thing with girls too they want to date me they just like hate him but that's yeah or something

00:23:29.960 or like they're monogamous so they're gonna get really jealous they don't understand the open mindset like

00:23:33.880 they don't like it's just gonna be that basically like sometimes people will sometimes people see

00:23:38.040 our arrangement and it seems like a fun thing to do it's kind of similar to friends with benefits

00:23:41.560 where people will think it's a fun thing to do yeah but then when they try it they get really

00:23:44.360 emotionally attached and then because we're already in a relationship it gets really weird yeah

00:23:48.600 has it been difficult maintaining this dynamic um i mean we've run into a lot of crazy people

00:23:54.440 or like things get crazy yeah so how are you probably not attracting the most sane people in the first

00:23:59.880 place i try to go for people that are open or like that are poly now because it makes things a lot

00:24:05.560 easier so we can just avoid like the jealousy because i don't even think it's really fair to

00:24:09.880 like i almost feel like when someone agrees to sleeping with any of us and they're thinking it's

00:24:15.720 a fun thing usually we're like a lot cooler you know and they don't really realize until later on

00:24:19.560 and then they get really obsessed or they feel really really bad so i usually feel really bad for

00:24:23.480 them later on as well so i don't think it's really fair either to do that how long into your

00:24:27.800 guys's relationship did you start this dynamic right at the very beginning right at the very

00:24:31.400 beginning yeah so you guys were like right off the bat like yo let's do it this way this is the

00:24:35.480 only relationship i've ever done whose idea was the whole open relationship yours just basically

00:24:40.040 yeah like after my last relationship i didn't actually ever think i would date again because

00:24:43.960 sleeping around is fun and yeah so the idea of like being locked down to one person is not fun

00:24:47.800 and i started talking to her and she was cool and she's like oh well i do open relationships i'm

00:24:50.360 like oh shit this is like perfect so and that was why did you decide to get married then and

00:24:54.280 what does that because she lives in sweden and i live in the united states and the only way she can

00:24:57.480 spend any considerable amount of time with me is to be married so it was just green card just that

00:25:01.560 kind of yeah but i mean like we love each other too during the pandemic this just yeah it was crazy

00:25:05.400 for everybody visa wise so but then we'll probably do like i imagine we'll do like an official

00:25:09.880 ceremony at some point we just have to like get the logistics set up and everything i think we've

00:25:13.000 been together for long enough to like oh we're like married we love each other so i'm not familiar

00:25:17.000 with all of the regulations or whatever but isn't there a timeline that if you reach like five

00:25:21.160 years of marriage uh from a green card marriage you can get divorced and the person who is from

00:25:27.160 another country can keep their green card and at that point do you think that you will divorce

00:25:32.200 and then stay together i don't think we'd ever divorce but the um technically don't take legal

00:25:36.840 advice me but i think if you're in the united states on a visa and you're in the process of

00:25:41.000 getting the green card you can break up already and still follow through in your green card process

00:25:44.920 i've had a few friends that's on that yeah you don't even have to go through with the marriage

00:25:47.400 technically so yeah and you come from a family where this is practice right melina um i think my parents

00:25:53.640 did do like swinger stuff and like open things like non-monogamous things together i don't know

00:25:57.880 were you aware of that um at the time not at the time like when i was a kid or anything but like

00:26:03.160 later on when i was talking to my mom when i was older and i was like but open relationship makes a

00:26:07.400 lot more sense to me she's like oh yeah i did that too so it's like okay are your parents still

00:26:11.960 together no okay okay okay destiny you didn't you come from like a bible belt background or no like

00:26:18.440 yeah you did right conservative yeah do you feel like that's catalyzed your political evolution

00:26:24.280 i mean i'm not related to that at all anymore but it would be stupid to say that my upbringing didn't

00:26:28.920 influence my political stuff and i'm sure it has it's hard to know how it manifests exactly but

00:26:32.600 yeah i was writing articles for my school newspaper supporting like bush and the iraq war when i was in

00:26:36.600 high school so wow so you're on the other spectrum from where you are now my mom is cuban so cuban

00:26:41.400 people in general are very very very conservative were you ever socially conservative at the time yeah yeah

00:26:46.280 very much like hated not hated gay people but very much against like lgbt stuff and all that

00:26:50.680 um when did that change as i through high school i became an atheist and then as i started to get

00:26:57.320 more once i started streaming when i turned like 21 22 once i started to make more money my political

00:27:03.320 views started to shift quite a bit interesting very interesting do you feel like you're getting

00:27:09.240 interrogated right now i've answered all these questions this guy's like a super streamer this is

00:27:13.720 this is not his first rodeo what's the largest what's the largest stream you've been on how many

00:27:18.040 live viewers i think it was when i was covering the mischief shit yeah i think i like it was like

00:27:24.280 70 70k yeah on your stream yeah on youtube yeah that's pretty lit it's pretty lit i might have missed

00:27:31.000 this while i was adjusting my hair but uh i had oh you combed it for us cute yeah i you know gotta be

00:27:36.920 presentable uh so you guys are in a polyamorous relationship so and i apologize if i missed this

00:27:43.800 you guys both sleep with other people that's yeah so in what way are you not a cuck i heard that you

00:27:49.080 got mad at me for calling you a cuck well i got mad at you for calling me a cuck because you didn't

00:27:52.520 know anything about me and you were radiating more pick me energy than i've ever seen in a girl in my

00:27:55.880 entire life so i thought it was really funny but how are you not a cuck is what i asked you know what is

00:28:00.120 yeah what is a cuck to you i guess you know someone likes nico someone who sits in a chair

00:28:03.560 someone who watches someone who watches their woman get fucked by another man yeah i don't

00:28:08.520 say to watch my woman get fucked by another man someone who allows that well someone who allows

00:28:12.200 it is just somebody in open relationship and how do you expect that to last for the next five years

00:28:17.400 i mean it's lasted for four years which i think is longer than any relationship you've been in right

00:28:21.000 yeah so i think i'm probably doing okay she's also young i'm 20. what i'm 20. okay and i'm 34. and i don't

00:28:27.400 have someone looking for a green card that's fine she's already got her green card she's free to

00:28:31.000 leave if she wants do you guys feel like you're going to be together into old age like do you want

00:28:35.400 to stay together i had the same question yeah i hope so yeah do you want kids yeah yeah let's just

00:28:40.600 let's just clear something up too hold on one more thing sneeko's not a cuck he did one time

00:28:44.520 and he said it was not for him so you gotta drop that okay good to know do you think he didn't even

00:28:49.800 truly also to be fair he didn't do the cuck thing he went to a swingers party he wasn't into the

00:28:53.800 swingers stuff yeah it's weird because like you know why he did it like a whole like sexual fetish

00:28:57.400 you can explore relating to cuckoo which by the way if people are into cucking that's knocking

00:29:00.280 stuff out that's cool do you know why he did it what do you know why he did it if i had to guess

00:29:04.840 it's because he heavily models himself after men that he respects and patrice o'neill talked about

00:29:07.880 it that's my guess yeah yeah it was a picture no like watch patrice o'neill doing it yeah he's a kid

00:29:11.560 he didn't go to the party thinking like i want to watch my girlfriend get

00:29:14.600 fucked and jerk off in the corner he went to swing and then he wasn't into it and he left yeah no

00:29:18.520 the reality was he like i think he stepped out and he felt guilty so he like gave her a free pass and

00:29:22.840 then he did it one time he's like this is terrible i never want to experience this again

00:29:26.440 and that's it so that's always years ago it's not a cuck in that case because a cuck likes it

00:29:30.680 yeah yeah yeah and he continues down the path of cuckoldry which he does not nico's totally

00:29:36.360 i have a question um there was a clip of youtube that went kind of viral on twitter a few days ago

00:29:41.960 where you started like ballroom dancing with some guy in the background of a stream what was the

00:29:48.280 situation there and who was that guy yeah there's a guy on youtube called abba from abban preach

00:29:53.240 and i think he's trying to steal my girl from me is he no so he dances she's got like a background

00:30:01.480 wait i did not look devastated when you guys are watching no i don't when you guys are watching

00:30:05.480 your resting face though no no when you guys are watching clips there's three responses i can have

00:30:09.640 i can either like laugh about it in which case you'll be like oh my god he's coping or i can just

00:30:13.240 sit there and just watch because i'm just watching my chat and streaming streaming like oh my god he's

00:30:16.440 secretly terrorized or i can be like oh no guys like don't and like joke and be like oh my god

00:30:20.120 he's like secretly coping like there's literally no response i can have because you're projecting

00:30:23.080 like all of your insecurities on the situation are you seeing that guy no he's i'm a preach from

00:30:28.280 the youtube wait do you think that wait hold on do you think the dancing is fucking because in that

00:30:32.200 case there's a lot of there's a lot of there's a lot of children out there dancing maybe you should

00:30:36.440 do something about it you know oh yeah careful uh no i was just saying the the reaction to the clip

00:30:43.240 was obvious yeah i know but i don't understand why people are having a big reaction to they were

00:30:47.800 also in here and listen in his defense they were playing hello darkness my little friend and like

00:30:52.680 zooming in on his face to like you know show like maybe despair or something yeah i think that wasn't

00:30:58.120 there yes but it feels really yeah because it just feels really ridiculous right because i you can edit

00:31:02.360 anything to make it look like anything i did like 12 years of ballroom dancing when i was younger so i'm

00:31:06.680 like i was competing in that sports if i meet someone that does some sort of dancing that is with a

00:31:11.560 partner i can like dance with him really well and that's like what's the fun out of it right i think

00:31:15.720 she's saying like in a traditional sense of things it looks bad on him but you guys don't have a

00:31:19.880 traditional relationship other people though i know i'm just saying no no that's what i'm saying

00:31:23.640 you guys you guys don't have a like from a traditional standpoint from traditional

00:31:28.760 standpoint it looks bad but you guys are not traditional i think that's what she's saying it

00:31:33.400 looks bad but wait wait wait even in a traditional aspect like you can go to weddings like

00:31:38.760 sometimes other people dance with other people yeah you know have you guys ever done like it's

00:31:43.400 not like they're like i know you're not like at a ballroom i'm not i'm not okay with if i marry

00:31:47.560 my wife i'm not okay with her dancing with and that's great your insecurities are yours to deal

00:31:50.920 with but it's not insecurity oh no no no it's not insecurity it's not it's not an insecurity it's

00:31:57.480 just a boundary i have it's not an insecurity but it's not but it's not just not an insecurity

00:32:01.640 it's you saying that like in a traditional relationship this wouldn't be okay plenty of people dance

00:32:05.560 with other people it's not a huge deal now if they were like grinding on each other some

00:32:09.240 that'd be different but when they're going through like moves on like a ballroom dance

00:32:12.280 thing i don't think i think that if you've got a huge problem with that i think this is more

00:32:15.080 about you so wait why why is my boundary all of a sudden limited and labeled as an insecurity

00:32:20.040 the problem wasn't your boundary the problem is you said well in a traditional relationship

00:32:23.160 you made it sound like it was a boundary that everybody should have no no no just me

00:32:26.440 personally okay i did say just me personally i say the way she's in a traditional relationship

00:32:30.360 she's the way they're perceiving you but from and then i built on it saying me personally i'm not

00:32:36.200 okay with that sure hold on you personally hold on billy you wanted to go um i can change the subject

00:32:40.680 a little bit if you want to no we're fighting why we change it when we're having a good fight

00:32:45.160 fighting we're fighting i thought i thought you wanted to come in on something related to this

00:32:48.760 come in on the relationship about um children what she's gonna ask how can you guys do an open

00:32:53.720 relationship and have children at the same time and then we're gonna answer we'd probably close the

00:32:56.840 relationship that happens but yeah that's that was my question what do you plan on doing when you

00:33:00.120 have children we would probably not be around as much because you wouldn't even have the time

00:33:03.560 fight do you make eye contact when you speak or no i'm over here well kind of yeah but i can't

00:33:07.240 really see and i don't want to block the camera because that you know well it's actually better if

00:33:09.800 he just kind of maintains more of a straight my bad straight on i i do have a question for both of

00:33:15.560 you guys out of curiosity how many how many men beyond plan life thank you for the uh 50 gifted

00:33:22.680 we'll we'll get the we'll have to do the fit check later on in the show guys thank you man go

00:33:25.800 ahead uh besides destiny in your guys relationship if you feel comfortable answering how many men have

00:33:30.920 you been with like total i actually don't really know usually it's just women but if you had to

00:33:37.160 estimate isn't it just that accurate that you tend to i don't really keep count on like how many men

00:33:41.560 no would you say hold on hold on hold on hold on would you say it's like five maybe ten i'm not

00:33:47.560 sure i mean it's like years ago right the last time you were with a guy besides destiny in your

00:33:52.040 relationship probably a long time ago usually just women okay how many how many women have

00:33:56.200 you been with besides her in your relationship i don't think it keeps counting but it's a lot of

00:33:59.480 them okay but like come on give me like a ballpark estimate it's a lot destiny's in these youtube

00:34:04.680 no it's not well where where i'm going with it's probably ten times as many as mine it's

00:34:09.880 a decent amount but it's cringe to talk about because i'm not here to like

00:34:12.920 fucking jerk off over like fucking i i understand that where where i was going with that is like like

00:34:18.600 when was the last time you were with a guy besides destiny i don't remember a year ago

00:34:22.360 two years ago three years ago probably within a year you know something like that about a year

00:34:26.040 ago i think within yeah oh when when that happened like did you feel comfortable with it based on the

00:34:32.520 amount of communication this is the way that i approach it if i'm gonna hook up with somebody

00:34:36.440 it's kind of weird if your partner is out like fucking somebody or hanging out with somebody in

00:34:40.600 like a semi-romantic way and then your partner's just like at home doing any like nothing so usually if

00:34:44.760 i'm going out doing something hopefully she's got like similar plans and then vice versa if she's got

00:34:47.960 plans then i've got plans so no i don't we don't usually feel bad about it because we're doing

00:34:52.520 something together generally so it doesn't create insecurity for you guys at all i mean it's totally

00:34:56.600 totally secure like normal relationship like there might be times the only time i think that insecurity

00:35:01.400 comes creeping in is if there are other problems in the relationship so for instance like if we're

00:35:04.600 fighting a lot and then somebody tries to like hook up with somebody then like that might cause

00:35:08.040 people to feel a little bit weird but like otherwise no it's just neither of us care that much about

00:35:11.480 if we did we wouldn't have an open relationship i mean i get turned on by it so you get turned on by him

00:35:16.120 hooking up with other chicks yeah so you're a cuck cuck queen yeah i like that queen yeah i guess

00:35:21.160 it's a term exactly um wait can i ask the panel what the interest or like the angle is for interrogating

00:35:28.680 their relationship to this extent i mean for me i just genuinely don't know so i'm going straight to

00:35:35.320 the source yeah i i don't i'm not interrogating them i personally am just curious about it feels a

00:35:40.600 a little bit like it you guys are no i'm just i'm just close to like so you we already have

00:35:44.760 like no no no no aaron you're projecting interrogation onto me where it doesn't exist i'm i'm asking

00:35:51.960 because i'm i just know for myself is that the angle it's curiosity and and i'm i'm kind of

00:35:58.120 probing into it because it's like i i can't imagine being in a situation where you know my girl was

00:36:03.160 hooking up with another guy and it wouldn't drive me insane and so you know if it doesn't drive them

00:36:07.640 insane i'm curious like why were you curious about the number of men just because it's an

00:36:12.440 interesting you gotta come from somewhere it's an interesting question you gotta be a little bit

00:36:14.840 more creative it's an interesting question you know you're a smart guy you can be a little

00:36:18.040 there's 15 there's 15 000 people watching and i'm sure a lot of them would be curious so it's for the

00:36:22.360 content it's a juicy of course that's what it is it's a juicy question exactly curious like you're not

00:36:27.080 trying to break it there's there's an element of curiosity and there's also an element where i'm

00:36:31.560 trying to make an interesting show for all the people that are watching i feel like just because

00:36:35.000 they're in an open relationship maybe that doesn't mean they should be subjected to like

00:36:39.000 particularly they voluntarily came on this show no like if somebody volunteers volunteers that they're

00:36:44.600 in a monogamous why are you why are you speaking on behalf of destiny i don't yeah if he has an issue

00:36:49.160 if he has an issue with the degree of questions we're asking him no i'm curious myself like i didn't

00:36:54.200 expect that half the panel already would be just about their relationship well it's interesting

00:36:58.600 can we talk about you then it's such a unique erin hold on yeah let's talk about you it's such

00:37:05.080 we can talk about you okay but you keep dodging all the questions so we're going to ask them

00:37:08.360 a question we can go to you then no let's go to you are you you just did it again you just did it

00:37:11.880 again you're saying i don't want to steal the attention but you came to a dating show and you've

00:37:18.200 avoided all the questions about your dating life yeah besides the fact that you've never been on a date

00:37:22.200 for my dating life it's kind of all under the same umbrella is it though of course it is yeah yeah

00:37:27.480 of course it is you're on a dating podcast and you don't think that your dating life is up for

00:37:31.160 discussion no i didn't say that it's all it's all connected it's all connected i want to ask some

00:37:35.240 questions for the monogamous people in that case yeah so um wait you uh virgin confirm or deny

00:37:43.320 just give us something give us really this is like the most pressing topic for the dating it's

00:37:48.200 literally a yes or no it'll take you one second to answer the question uh is it about the duration

00:37:52.360 of how long it takes to answer a question like that that's what determines what's up with the

00:37:55.960 sophistry why don't you just answer it i mean you were evasive about why you were like i said i said

00:38:00.760 because i was curious and because it's good content after after a lot of a lot of the deliberation

00:38:05.800 mentally i feel like fresh is the best one for her from the fresh and fit podcast i feel like she fits

00:38:10.600 the the archetype that fresh goes after when what archetype is that chubby white girl got it

00:38:16.360 shots fired shots fired just joking fresh love you although i had a question for you go ahead

00:38:24.040 go ahead i'm ready thanks plan life you said earlier with respect to like the dancing thing

00:38:29.960 yes you said it would be a boundary of yours to not let your partner or wife dance with another man

00:38:36.200 correct is that really a boundary or isn't that more of an agreement i feel like a boundary is something

00:38:41.000 that you say that i'm going to do or abstain but i don't know that a boundary could really like

00:38:48.840 i don't really think of them that way i think about people can agree on that like i would

00:38:52.680 independently decide i don't want to do or i do want to engage in um you gave it to me you told me i

00:38:58.440 no i i i focus on the conversation uh steven yeah i would i would i know you you lied to me i'm

00:39:07.160 sorry i miss there is a boundary they're talking about the interest in a boundary and an agreement

00:39:10.040 and a contract continue i just know when you do your streams like you're playing factorio and

00:39:13.720 shift hello i can don't let her i can answer okay okay okay okay no i actually want to interject

00:39:23.480 let me clarify okay i just wait wait wait i just want to say something um earlier you guys were

00:39:28.440 talking about traditional relationships what i was i was raised in a hispanic traditional catholic

00:39:35.320 family household um the idea that dancing ballroom or dancing in general is non-traditional to me is

00:39:41.240 insane because like all of south america central america spain you know they dance salsa they dance

00:39:46.360 merengue that is part like part of the culture and a lot of people there are very traditional

00:39:51.560 very hispanic catholic well there is a discrepancy the issue is not with the actual dancing the issue is

00:39:57.320 with dancing with someone who's not your partner that's what they do that's why is that what they do

00:40:02.920 yeah it's literally just part of the culture is it yeah part of my culture is that part of my culture

00:40:09.720 when it comes to the reaction to that video that i brought up it was because of the context around

00:40:15.080 it if you're just random people i don't think that should we watch the video no no no to be

00:40:20.200 clear the react no no you can watch it if you want but the reaction is if you're okay with

00:40:24.280 yes if you're okay no no i don't know if you're okay all you want i'll jerk off to it for you if

00:40:27.240 you want after the show okay can we record it i have an only fans do it under the table yeah as long

00:40:30.600 as you pay me for it okay um hold on the issue is not the reaction of the video even the context around

00:40:34.680 it the issue is that right now everybody in like the red pill like culture that's like taking over

00:40:38.680 like online shit is like obsessed with like cuck and everything related to it so much that i think

00:40:43.720 it's actually a hidden fantasy for a lot of the people who talk about it where like if a guy is

00:40:47.480 talking to somebody else or a girl is like like people talk about it incessantly it's like

00:40:52.120 fucking insane more so than it would have been like even five or ten years you think it's like

00:40:55.320 projection it's some kind of weird obsession with like being cocked or cocked like to the point

00:41:00.040 where on some of these shows i don't think i've heard it here but people will say things like if

00:41:02.680 your girlfriend has like a high body count you start dating or you got cucked or like if your girlfriend is

00:41:06.440 like talking to another guy in a way that's getting it reminds me of like the old 4chan copy

00:41:10.040 pasta where it's like the ultimate cuck is a father that raises a daughter because he's preparing his

00:41:14.600 daughter's pussy to get plowed by some other guy and that's like the ultimate like i'm just saying

00:41:18.520 like the obsession with like the culture is like insane i don't think it has anything to do with

00:41:21.640 me or the dancing because like she said in a lot of traditional cultures a lot of people dance and

00:41:25.000 if you do like ballroom dance or competition you're not only competing with a boyfriend right you're

00:41:29.240 like dancing with like partners and other people that have been practicing with you and everything so

00:41:32.120 i just think the obsession has to do with like the current culture around like the whole

00:41:35.000 cuck and like dating i don't think there's an obsession i think that cuckoldry and other

00:41:39.320 weird fetishes are being pushed in both pornography and pop culture and people are just responding to

00:41:43.960 that absolutely they don't like it cuckoldry as an actual fetish is really rare i think that people

00:41:48.520 recognize degeneracy and they naturally say something there you go so it's the dj it's like this weird

00:41:53.240 like degenerate angle and then like the red pill stuff and kind of the tradcon stuff and the

00:41:57.320 well there are some people that believe there's a there's a right way to express sexuality and a wrong way

00:42:02.600 and i guess you're saying there's not a right or wrong i've never said that at all there's plenty

00:42:06.520 like well you put degeneracy and weird and air quotes is there anything that you would consider

00:42:11.240 sexually degenerate yeah but he said we weren't allowed to talk about some of that

00:42:14.760 so those those subjects would you say those are the only things stay tuned for

00:42:19.240 you're allowed to partake in it in in broad speaking terms as long as people are exercising

00:42:23.480 or practicing some sexual thing that's between them and it's not hurting anybody else in general

00:42:26.760 i think it's probably okay for people to do that if you want to have like a pure monogamous

00:42:30.040 relationship if you want to be abstinent until you get married or whatever and that's how you

00:42:32.840 want to explain i think that's totally fine but it seems like people from some backgrounds find that

00:42:36.440 they can be incredibly judgmental of other people's like sexual exploration which is really weird to

00:42:40.520 me because they'll get like really fixated on it like i've never had a conversation before where i'm

00:42:44.680 like what's it like to like only have your husband or boyfriend's dick like going in and out of your

00:42:48.600 pussy like these like really explicit conversations but then people come to me and it's like what do you

00:42:52.120 think about like your wife like fucking other guys and shit and it's like it's really weird that i'll get

00:42:56.360 like really or like even earlier he's like so you're bisexual i think you asked me right do you

00:43:00.840 fuck guys in the ass if you take dick in your ass i'm like i did not say that you think you asked

00:43:04.680 if i was a top or bottom right that's essentially what you're asking right which is fine i don't

00:43:07.880 care like these questions are fun and i'm used to dealing with it but it's interesting to me that

00:43:10.920 based on my lifestyle i'll get like these really explicit questions and i feel like if you're in

00:43:14.520 a more traditional relationship if somebody asked you that you'd be like whoa that's like way over the

00:43:17.320 line which i think is just an interesting observation there's probably questions that we could ask

00:43:20.360 people right yeah you're very offended by that i guess what by me asking there's nothing you can

00:43:26.040 say that will offend me i promise i think people ask questions about your relationship because i would

00:43:31.800 say the vast majority they don't think that it's normal or conducive to a flourishing long-term

00:43:37.720 relationship and that's fine especially a marriage they think it's fundamentally humiliating to a man

00:43:44.360 to not have sexual exclusivity with his wife and that's totally fine but the way that the questions

00:43:49.160 already phrased was earlier was i'm just curious but it's not a curiosity i didn't say that but

00:43:53.960 sure that's fine it's not an actual curiosity there's a cool that's fine yeah there's a normative

00:43:57.960 loading of like you're doing something that i don't approve of and now i'm going to question

00:44:01.960 you on it which is fine but like if we want to get into that then we can get into that well i mean

00:44:06.120 rather than like they're like oh well i'm just curious like does it bother you that somebody else

00:44:09.320 might like come on your wife and i'm like jesus christ i don't know let's let's back up a second

00:44:13.160 you're kind of projecting that the disapproval does exist but the question

00:44:16.920 projecting because these two at least have explicitly said it right yeah so it doesn't

00:44:19.560 exist i just say it's not it's not necessarily it's not it's not necessarily that the questions

00:44:24.440 are rooted in disapproval it's more just that like like your guys's relationship dynamic is it's a

00:44:29.080 taboo in society so people are curious and have questions right well you are i think you're curious

00:44:33.480 well i don't i'm treating you as good faith you're curious like these two at the very least and by

00:44:36.120 the way there's nothing wrong with being disapproving but these two questions are coming from like

00:44:39.080 uh don't you realize that this is really bad is like that that's like the angle of the question

00:44:43.080 anyways it's not like understanding or curiosity it's like i'm just gonna bully you okay for what

00:44:47.800 you're doing in your life which is fine do you guys do you guys feel bullied by them i don't feel

00:44:51.080 bullied i love melina does a little bit no it's just like negativity not understanding do you guys

00:44:56.440 want to react to the videos or anything it's just being like yeah you want to watch it we can watch

00:45:00.120 it yeah eric can you work on trying to find the what would be a good keyword for us to uh i don't

00:45:05.800 want to do the hold on i don't want to do the video where there's like the music over it i want

00:45:09.560 like you with the music and zoom if you want whatever you want copyright um try to eric try

00:45:15.240 to find just abba destiny dancing video while we do that i just have pretty sure you go to rollo's

00:45:20.600 twitter or uh andrew tate's twitter everybody's retweeted the video so you can find it on there

00:45:25.480 probably wait i'm kind of curious how do you guys define degeneracy like what do you guys do you guys

00:45:30.600 have like a general definition for it or do you just say like oh i don't like that it's degenerate i mean i

00:45:35.000 i personally i don't know about you guys i would personally say off the cuff things that like

00:45:38.680 degenerate the stability of society right what's that are contributing to the fall of the west

00:45:44.520 yes okay but so like examples chase yeah like this is still very examples of degeneracy

00:45:51.000 examples of degeneracy i would say like uh women getting ran through in their 20s i think i think

00:45:56.680 polyamory is degenerate no offense um i think it has damp if if it was to be widespread throughout

00:46:02.200 society i think it would really tear and rip at the fabric of society and things would fall apart

00:46:06.040 very quickly don't like hold on hold on homosexuality transsexuality and then like

00:46:12.120 you know stuff like alcoholism addiction all these kind of things like i think all that's degenerate

00:46:15.960 you know okay that's how i would define it your definition of degeneracy is basically um if everybody

00:46:20.440 did it then society would fall apart and that's why it's degenerate if just one person does it it's

00:46:25.560 it's degenerate for both society at large and also for individuals right like homosexuality for

00:46:31.000 example there's a lot of homosexuals that have early mortality because of the diseases that are

00:46:34.760 associated with homosexuality you could also say the same for people that have you know do rampant

00:46:39.720 fornication get stds through that it's degenerate for the individual as well and it starts to wear

00:46:44.520 apart at their body their mind their soul all these things right it's very unhealthy on an individual

00:46:49.480 level and on a societal level as well and you're worried about this specifically degenerating the west

00:46:54.040 like homosexuality you know all of this cuckold cuckoldry uh i would say i would say the the evidence

00:47:01.400 is it already the evidence is abundant that it is currently degenerating it is already degenerating

00:47:06.920 at a massive rate yeah gender bending sodomy homosexuality these things have never happened

00:47:10.920 in europe that's so true they have symptoms of like the declining societies i mean we're not the first

00:47:16.360 people to think that you can like have sex with a guy or change your gender i mean there have been

00:47:19.640 sexual revolutions in different capacities to our history and no society has ever survived

00:47:23.640 those types of revolutions typically like a sign of the decline happening sodom and gomorrah

00:47:27.960 do you think our society is on the brink of collapse i don't know if i would say the brink i think

00:47:32.120 that's alarmist but we're definitely uh heading in the wrong direction every marker of a healthy

00:47:36.440 nation america's heading in the opposite direction just because of what people are doing in the

00:47:40.200 background i don't think that it's not just because of that yeah do you think it's too sophisticated

00:47:44.200 yeah do you think these things are what were the cause of collapse or do you think that there are

00:47:49.080 other factors like economic factors or factors relating to like let's say um illness disease

00:47:54.280 widespread that might be the cause or the causes of the society's falling the only disease killing

00:47:59.720 america is like the woke mind virus where everybody's just like trying to be so true

00:48:04.200 i like how we said there was a literal disease killing america that like kind of is wouldn't even

00:48:08.200 recognize it kind of is come on because even you like it's like progress hold on as progressive as you

00:48:14.120 are like you see sometimes these people are too crazy i fight with them all the time no no i also

00:48:18.440 recognize that like conservatives are literally telling people not to get vaccinated but we think

00:48:21.320 that like gay people are like ruining society more than that well there's there's good there's good

00:48:24.920 reason for that though yes there is tell us the reason why is gay people i saw one woman i saw one

00:48:30.280 woman take that wasn't what i was speaking to listen i saw one woman take the vaccine and become

00:48:33.880 retarded that was enough for me to be like no i'm just not gonna do it you know what's what's the

00:48:38.120 i saw one person not take the vaccine and die that was enough for me uh let's let's avoid the

00:48:43.080 vaccine talk let's let's avoid the vaccine no no i i do agree though because like especially with like

00:48:48.760 hollywood and tiktok tiktok is like predominantly used by teens and the algorithm is sort of catered

00:48:54.280 towards left-leaning ideals like oh there's this there's that and it's sort of teaching kids that this

00:48:59.800 is what you have to be this is the right way to think and it sort of shames them into forming their

00:49:04.120 own opinions i mean it's controlled by i mean it's controlled by china and by dance like the

00:49:09.400 actual chinese tiktok doing is actually feeding their population way different stuff like engineers

00:49:16.680 scientists like these kids over in china like the number one career they want to be is like

00:49:22.120 an astronaut in america it's a youtuber yeah i think i think the tiktok algorithm is probably

00:49:27.480 fifth generation warfare that china is using thousand percent china continually divide america and push us

00:49:32.920 towards a collapse civil war scenario if you talk like mainstream like regular people behind the

00:49:38.120 firewall in china they don't fucking like america at all at all and they're like totally down for

00:49:44.280 chinese domination hold on we're their biggest trading partner we're kind of losing focus though

00:49:50.200 because this is a dating podcast so well but i think but i think it's important because it's never

00:49:54.120 just a dating podcast i noticed this with a lot of this kind of like red pill stuff is it like

00:49:57.960 everything i didn't cut you off the record i wanted to hear your perspective yeah

00:50:01.240 oh no no i didn't see you coming up did you no no no just continue with your thoughts yeah there's

00:50:05.400 like it's never just about like dating or just about tiktok it's always got to be part of this

00:50:09.720 grander plan to like like i like how we get into this conversation like well what about your

00:50:13.240 relationship well i think this is causing the fall of the west and it's like holy

00:50:16.360 shit like jeez i don't know a guy like real real getting fucked by another dude is like causing like

00:50:20.920 america to lose its position i'm so curious how that works it feels like everything is like tied

00:50:25.480 into like these i want to know global narratives why is gay sex causing damage to society okay so

00:50:30.600 that's a great question what i would say is the family is at the bedrock of civilization as a whole

00:50:35.560 if you have a nation full of healthy families then you're going to have a healthy nation right

00:50:39.240 but there's an attack on the nuclear family feminism is a prime example right feminism is something

00:50:44.360 that divides men and women it causes a lot of tension in households and as a result of that that

00:50:49.160 you know that's one thing that contributes to broken families if you have a nation that's full of

00:50:53.160 broken families you have a nation that's slowly going to fall apart and we see that happening

00:50:56.920 right now aren't a lot of like aren't a lot of uh heterosexual like marriages ending in divorce

00:51:02.920 anyway so it has nothing to do with gay sex or anything okay yeah so your question is a lot of

00:51:07.240 family that's already breaking apart from for other reasons so so why are you not focusing on those

00:51:12.360 sort of things so let's i'll answer it in the frame of homosexuality have you seen like any of the data

00:51:17.000 on population collapse that's projected in the next like 50 years there's a lot of countries around

00:51:21.240 the world that are not uh having children at the replacement rate necessary in order to continue

00:51:26.600 maintaining their their society have you seen any of that data i'm very familiar with that okay so

00:51:31.320 like you know the elon musk talks about this all the time if and if you look at the data on

00:51:35.400 homosexuality like a few generations ago it was like less than two percent of people were homosexual

00:51:40.200 and it's five percent ten percent gen z they're around like 23 identifying as lgbtq hold on to clarify if

00:51:47.080 we're going to do geopolitics the 20 identifying as lgbtq are most are predominantly bisexual it's not

00:51:54.520 people that are actually becoming gay number one number two population collapse is not happening

00:51:58.120 because of degeneracy or lgbt stuff i would say it's a contributing factor that's fine but you'd be

00:52:02.040 wrong the reason why it's happening is because when countries develop and people are given the

00:52:04.680 opportunity to explore lives they're not just saying like oh i'm 22 i have a ton of kids that's been the

00:52:09.240 big issue now i feel really strongly about this because there arguably is an issue relating to

00:52:15.240 population collapse like we can talk about replacing people whatever but like those conversations need

00:52:19.880 to be intelligent and they have to revolve around what's actually happening which is women getting

00:52:24.120 access to reproductive control like birth control and women entering school and the job market those

00:52:28.840 are the two massive driving factors the reality is is if you put a bright future in front of somebody

00:52:32.840 and you say do you want to pursue that or do you want to have four kids by the time you're 24 most women

00:52:36.920 are reasonably choosing like oh i think i'd rather actually like live my life and do this i'm pretty sure every

00:52:41.400 single woman at this table has probably made the same choices all the conservative women that talk about it

00:52:45.080 generally make those same choices they'll tell you like oh like look at just pearly things right

00:52:48.360 we'll echo all of that we need to have kids and blah blah blah and she doesn't either right i think

00:52:51.800 that the issue is that we've given women access to all of these things and they really enjoy it and

00:52:56.120 now we need to have a conversation what are we going to do for our future population because blaming

00:52:59.080 gay people isn't going to put that back in the box i think that's the big issue those are those are

00:53:02.920 some fair points hold on hold on let me please please aaron hold on a second let me respond to

00:53:07.560 everything that he just said okay go for it you raised a number of fair points

00:53:11.880 the idea that like the most attractive thing to women is going out there making their career like

00:53:18.360 living their life so on and so forth and that's what like basically all these women want conservative

00:53:22.600 women included i would rebut that by saying i i've heard from thousands of women that are in their

00:53:27.640 early 20s conservative especially and all they want is to have kids but they're finding it difficult

00:53:31.880 to find a man who actually wants marriage and who also can provide for them like i hear from girls

00:53:37.320 every single day they're like i wish so badly i could find a guy who would want to get married

00:53:42.360 and would want to have kids with me okay that like the idea that all these women would just want to go

00:53:47.160 out there and like live their lives and have their careers and stuff that's not true that's great but

00:53:51.160 i can't argue against your thousands of women all i can do is look at stats showing that women are

00:53:56.520 increasingly less happy yeah stats on happiness have been notoriously difficult to track but if we look

00:54:01.080 at actual behaviors women are over like for instance what we what we would have said 40 or 50 years ago is

00:54:06.120 women don't really like school and they're not going to sit in math class because women just don't

00:54:09.160 learn like that they don't enjoy doing that and what we've seen is when we open schools to women

00:54:12.520 not only are they doing really well they potentially out compete men in schools they might even be more

00:54:16.200 geared towards like learning in a classroom environment than men who would rather like go

00:54:19.240 outside and play and like be more physical right so i think we have to be careful with this assumption

00:54:23.000 that women are built to want to have children and do that a ton because women are overwhelmingly choosing

00:54:27.640 to go to college and go get jobs and like enter the career field i think that if we just work on the

00:54:32.280 assumption that well they don't really want to do that we're going to be having the same conversation 20 30 40 years

00:54:36.040 and people like you're going to be like well i don't know what's happening is it the woke people

00:54:38.840 pushing women to to go to college or i don't know like well i've talked to hundreds of women that

00:54:42.760 seem unhappy well if you're really a woman i mean this is true if you're 21 22 23 and you're looking

00:54:48.200 to have a family to settle down you can do it you're going to find a man that'll want to do it but

00:54:51.400 you just you can't live they they can't you can't but the problem is they want that they really

00:54:54.920 struggle they want that but then they want to live in la miami new york austin a lot of them don't

00:54:59.240 no this is part of the problem i'll give this if you're a woman and you want to find a husband

00:55:04.120 that will take care of you just have kids go to the fucking midwest go to fucking montana go to

00:55:07.640 fucking there's tons of places where you can find men that will do this but you don't want to do that

00:55:10.760 you want to live in one of the 10 most expensive cities in the united states okay you want to have

00:55:13.880 a fun life you want a fair point that's the issue that's that's a fair point but what to go back to

00:55:18.440 the original subject i would say like hookup culture our current dating culture that is especially

00:55:25.080 incentivizes like the red pill stuff that especially incentivizes men to like increase

00:55:28.840 their value and go and hook up with as many women as they possibly can like that's something that's

00:55:32.360 degenerate that's decreasing the birth rates to just pass off the whole like lgbtq

00:55:37.320 rates increasing as a non-factor when it comes to population replacement i don't think that's

00:55:41.480 fair obviously you have if you have a quarter of your population that's not interested in heterosexual

00:55:46.440 monogamous relationships so not a quarter those are mainly bisexual but even even even bisexual

00:55:51.480 like the people every the people that are being conditioned by our culture to be interested in

00:55:55.720 that like that's obviously going to have a negative effect on birth rates so it does play into it it

00:56:00.120 doesn't i promise you if you want to could you say because if you google every single industrialized

00:56:04.840 country on earth as they become industrialized women have less children it's true every single

00:56:10.040 industrialized country he's a thousand percent right the more a country trends towards being more

00:56:14.040 industrialized the birth rate does drop yes yes and and that data is clear but the original the

00:56:18.920 original question was how does homosexuality contribute to decreasing but i don't think

00:56:22.600 like homosexuality is like south korea or japan they have like some of the lowest birth rates in

00:56:26.600 the world also being homosexual doesn't actually preclude you from fathering any children

00:56:31.640 it's not on the top of the to-do list let's be honest it's not on the top of the to-do list for

00:56:35.640 gay guys gay guys aren't like trying to fucking start a family hold on hold on hold on let's move

00:56:40.360 away from this topic because it's probably a little tos it's probably a little fucking tos um wait is it

00:56:46.280 probably i mean population stuff i mean talking about i doubt it i doubt it if you want to change

00:56:52.680 the subject yeah i i do need to i do need to announce a couple things here so i feel like you

00:56:57.320 should give her because she wanted to talk for a long time and we cut her off a lot you should

00:56:59.480 give her i was just gonna say i think partially the reason why women are so unhappy and these and

00:57:04.040 not finding people is because of the the very recent embrace of promiscuity how they're putting

00:57:10.440 themselves out there as like i don't want to say whores because that's a bit draconian but

00:57:16.040 you know the hookup culture has really destroyed everyone both sides men and women yeah 100 yep

00:57:21.960 um so hold on hold on hold on okay so we i mean you're you feel great because you're married to

00:57:27.720 like a millionaire just a heads up i'm making a lot of money myself as well a good amount of money

00:57:32.760 we're making a lot of money together actually yeah the uh stream labs donations we did get did we get

00:57:39.400 the tts that came through i we got one right yeah there was the one so we're we're having currently

00:57:44.680 some issues with the uh donations yo that zin is going crazy on your leg bro um i'm sorry bro it's

00:57:50.760 okay wow you didn't airplane mode your phone no no i did i'm bouncing my leg oh um it's more the

00:57:56.600 intensity of the conversation does it make you uncomfortable like in a sexual way he's getting

00:58:01.240 excited i am getting yeah i'm half masked over here okay um so disgusting haram hold on okay

00:58:11.080 those of you who are donating through stream labs just fyi i have no idea why we've been having some

00:58:15.800 issues with it uh tts seems to be working but i'm not able to re-trigger your donations so i just need

00:58:22.760 to read them uh we're not going to be seeing it visible and so i just got to read three of these

00:58:27.800 before they fall off the uh recent events tab so we have reverend ralph777 thank you for the uh

00:58:32.920 donation man question in the statement did you grow up with your biological father who is married to

00:58:37.080 your biological mother no such thing in independent females either your father husband pastor or the

00:58:43.320 state is in charge numbers chapters 30 l feminism um okay i guess show of hands who here grew up with

00:58:50.680 their mother and father intact biological mother and father biological mother and father okay all right

00:58:58.840 we have a a non would be interesting to hear virgin mary debate farha that's your friend yeah farah uh

00:59:07.880 mia khalifa from a couple shows ago both very smart and logical but completely opposite perspectives

00:59:12.840 it seems we're i think we're gonna have her back so that could be cool to get arranged quick question on

00:59:17.000 farah i asked her if she was interested in you that's so creepy why what the fuck why is that

00:59:24.920 creepy i'm just saying i'm trying to i'm trying to be your wingman destiny i'll answer that question

00:59:29.480 if you tell me of you two who would be the top or bottom yo what the fuck i'm actually gonna imagine

00:59:34.120 it or if i'm okay with doing that yeah it sounds great i don't consent yeah but you've been imagining

00:59:40.120 how is him asking that creepy when you've literally been graphically explaining like gay sex like oh

00:59:44.760 come this is that because you guys are the ones asking the questions i know but like how is that

00:59:49.240 i don't think it's like juvenile and childish to be like oh it's you and farah like you know it's

00:59:54.360 juvenile you know what's juvenile and childish your refusal to just answer a basic question and

01:00:01.640 continually try to is it my refusal to answer that question or is like asking the question in the first

01:00:06.920 why is it why is it every time you get asked a question you respond with another question and you're

01:00:12.040 probably going to do it right now but i'd like just a straight response yeah yeah why can't why

01:00:16.280 can't you just give a straight response you do really like straight things right like straight

01:00:21.320 people heterosexuality that really is your jam another question this is like such a bad dude

01:00:26.040 it's fucking okay yeah why why are you in bad faith why i mean you came to a dating podcast why

01:00:30.200 we have a womp womp womp i think bad faith would be you guys saying that you just had a curiosity in

01:00:35.640 their open relationship and then asking now you're projecting if you want to evaluate it

01:00:41.560 if you want to know no one is asking you wonder yeah that's what i was going to say no wonder why

01:00:46.520 you haven't had a boyfriend shit i don't know anything i'm going to take my heart oh sorry

01:00:54.440 all right someone are you going to keep this up for the rest of the podcast like will you know

01:00:58.440 the answer you know the answer for a long time i have pretty good stamina like you make me

01:01:01.960 one but it's like what so did you did you just come to troll

01:01:09.320 of course not it's a very serious dating fresh get your girl bro fresh get your girl

01:01:13.640 dm her it's a waste of time engaging with her all right yeah we have to get back to the serious

01:01:19.400 questions like uh destiny chopper bottom why are you so curious kind of a bad faith question

01:01:25.160 towards destiny he already said he doesn't want to answer it true what are we going to talk about

01:01:29.560 next you guys where were we we were reading super chats what's the next one yeah just go through

01:01:36.280 this and i'm still waiting on the video of him we're going to dancing eric have you found it can

01:01:40.840 we talk about don't don't pull it up yet let me do the super chats or these little donations here uh

01:01:46.200 linds b thank you for the donation for the banels why isn't your spouse enough for you and why did you

01:01:50.040 marry if you found them lacking why not keep it a situationship quick answer it's just fun to

01:01:55.320 fuck around other people word okay uh do you have i guess it's the same thing same answer okay

01:02:02.440 and nobody thank you for the uh donation destiny are you on your normal amount of cocaine tonight

01:02:07.880 or is it a larger dose doesn't seem like it's correcting the extra bro that's kind of mean i

01:02:13.640 don't know that say read it you sure do i have your okay it's like it's correcting the extra body fat

01:02:19.640 though maybe do more push-ups and less push downs from the boys cheers

01:02:27.640 that guy should have a video of him doing not my words not my words okay abuse don't shoot the

01:02:32.200 messenger don't you probably really liked your reading that as well he probably was squeezing his

01:02:36.680 you know while you you were saying all that that's lovely okay um oh man what's next we have so many

01:02:44.360 super chats yeah people love to donate money about me so you're welcome i like how serious

01:02:49.000 which one people love to donate money to show so you're welcome okay read them all okay can you

01:02:53.800 actually like pull out your phone and like send one right now yeah do you want me to to

01:02:57.160 fuck up and send two again because i'm too retarded or stupid to figure it out is there like a pay pig

01:03:01.320 component at all like can we you know what destiny every single stream i have yeah you need to send one

01:03:07.880 fuck up one fuck up and one normal one and one normal one deal is that fair i'll think about it

01:03:12.680 i think think about it think about it and we'll shout you out so it's like some roi thanks

01:03:16.200 plug my stream and stuff yeah i'll plug your stream what's next what do we got uh that we'll do some

01:03:22.360 more later let's pull up that video go ahead eric okay you sure you want this i mean well do you

01:03:26.920 have like a box of tissues in case i want to like cry a little bit or um i have uh use your wife's

01:03:31.960 hair crying oh this is long uh is it the beginning just go to the beginning i reckon

01:03:41.160 put in the part before video tap video tap big hands around her and like you know did that really

01:03:46.120 like taking her away from me turn you on um it would have been more if i was turning around watching

01:03:51.080 you know you yeah the reason why my face is like so weird i'm just staring into the camera like

01:03:55.960 imagining the whole time like i wish they were naked it's it's melt time i think that was the

01:04:03.240 worst part of the video is the audio no not in in the youtube player in the youtube look i haven't

01:04:08.840 danced for years and i'm doing so well that's are you not focusing on great i'm dancing no no really

01:04:13.800 you're looking at the downfall of the west you guys this is why russia you do look like you want to

01:04:19.560 you can't deny that it's always how i stare at my street what am i supposed to look like i don't know

01:04:23.720 maybe that's just what you look like i'm just watching my chat i don't think you've ever seen

01:04:27.480 me dance either what you've never seen me dance either no i don't think so yeah you've been married

01:04:31.640 for four years and he hasn't seen you dance that's fine i can tell you we're like a little bit

01:04:35.080 you need a dance partner in that case what you doing she did this she went that's how i knew man she

01:04:42.200 started flexing them shoulders and then trapped i'm like keep it going for a little bit you're almost

01:04:46.440 done i was getting footage for his next cuck video on me thanks wait what did you say what did you say i said

01:04:52.280 he's collecting footage for the next cuck video because i know these clips are going to show up

01:04:55.000 like a million times literally no matter what happens jesus i think that's uh pretty much all

01:05:00.920 of it all of it you can pause it oh my god i'm having to relive destiny every day your your reaction

01:05:05.960 your reaction to the video did you feel a little something there watching feel what feel a little

01:05:09.160 something what are you talking i think they're like trying to gaslight me into being like melina did you

01:05:14.520 feel a little something during that no no you didn't no i'm like traumatized from my dancing

01:05:18.280 because my teachers were really insane gotcha so you guys obviously not the internet overreacted

01:05:23.240 to this video and twisted it into something that it's not but my question is like why did you make

01:05:28.680 your open relationship polyamory whatever available public information why did you start talking about

01:05:34.680 it why did you make it something that you can be mocked about so i'm super open about almost all

01:05:39.480 aspects of my life for a variety of reasons one is because i don't like it when people present like a

01:05:43.960 false front um there's online i think for social media um we can talk about appearances you've got

01:05:49.320 filters makeup plastic surgery like everything online is fake you've got people that present

01:05:53.800 their lives as being way better than they actually are you've got people that lie about like the

01:05:57.320 problems they have um i like that i'm online you can see there's a lot of really good things i do i'm

01:06:01.320 obviously well accomplished i'm pretty popular i've been doing this for 12 or 13 years there's a lot

01:06:04.760 of mistakes that i've made um whether it's words i've said actions i've been involved in ways that i live

01:06:08.600 my life uh and i'm really open about all of that because i think that right now in my life i'm very happy i've

01:06:12.760 been very happy for most of my life but i didn't get there by being a perfect person or pretending to

01:06:16.200 be a perfect person and there's probably and also like i like that i can represent like different

01:06:19.240 things so like for instance like i know that like being by and coming on shows like this obviously

01:06:22.360 everybody roasts me for it and says my opinions and relationships don't matter etc etc but there's

01:06:25.720 also a lot of people that are like wrestling with feelings like that and they shoot me an email like

01:06:28.680 oh i think it's cool that like you talk about this but it's not like your entire personality or

01:06:32.520 you don't feel bad about it or you don't let other people tear you down about it so yeah i like to be open

01:06:35.960 about like all of the aspects of my life because i think it's good to show that there are a variety of lifestyles you can

01:06:39.800 live and i'm not gonna let the crazy lgbt people monopolize those lifestyles right so if you think

01:06:44.600 about somebody who might be polyamorous or bisexual you're not exclusively thinking of the guy that's

01:06:48.360 doing like the kink at pride parade where they've got like the doggy costume on and they're running

01:06:52.040 around talking to people i think of ugly morbidly obese people on tiktok who are in polycules that's

01:06:56.920 who i think of yeah so i like to do so i like to hopefully my very bad associated with the worst

01:07:04.120 you're happy that we're being open i think you're very attractive obviously oh so wait wait one second

01:07:09.560 what the is polycule it's a group of people who are polyamorous with each other or whatever

01:07:14.840 is that like a pokemon or some shit or it sounds like it yeah okay um question for you destiny um have

01:07:20.120 you or both of you have you guys always been poly or any periods of monogamy or just

01:07:24.920 always were you born like this what were you born like this is there a gene well in our relationship

01:07:30.040 if there's like a lot of fighting going on we try to like kind of tighten up for a little bit

01:07:34.520 because obviously we're like fighting and then people are like banging other people is probably

01:07:37.640 going to compound it to a lot of fuel fire some more questions for you destiny yeah go for it the

01:07:42.200 inquisit not these are pretty these are pretty tame these i like all of it yeah go ahead um have are you uh

01:07:48.200 uh running through chicks in miami just like i don't sexual okay for me sexual relationships are

01:07:55.640 fun because one i like women yeah two i like the friendships that i have with women and then three

01:07:59.720 it's fun to be sexual people that you have friendships with that are women that's those

01:08:02.600 are like fun things for me to explore but it's not about like running up a body count it's not the

01:08:06.360 like oh my god i fucked somebody it's just like a fun activity that i like to engage just like

01:08:09.640 i've always been can you crawl under the table please yeah that'd be good for the memes it's just

01:08:14.760 more fun when you can like connect and like be closer with someone it's probably like physical

01:08:18.200 way as well because you get to know someone a lot deeper than just like going out to eat or whatever

01:08:22.440 like hanging out for a long time or like closer is a lot more but because like i get the impression

01:08:26.360 like i think you probably have a killer game dude and so and you're in miami like you gotta be

01:08:32.520 running through the chicks wait wait hold on wait number one game is very relative to the crowd that

01:08:37.720 you're in right i think i do have really good game but only with like a certain style of girl if you

01:08:42.280 would have put me into a fucking nightclub in miami for like a year i might fuck one chick

01:08:45.880 if i'm lucky because that is like totally not my thing but if you don't undersell yourself no but

01:08:50.120 if you're on like a college campus with like nerdier chicks or like chicks that are more into like uh

01:08:53.640 you know whatever you'd be studying i probably do exactly yeah or like gamer girls or people that

01:08:58.040 are into like music or whatever i do a lot better so it depends on like the scene so like in miami

01:09:01.320 like i'm not like out there like banging tricks like bbls and shit i don't even know if i could ever

01:09:05.320 score like that ever i would never be able to do it i'm with you about okay leave me hanging no

01:09:09.400 no no i guess i saw the german the german suit you wore earlier and i don't know if there's

01:09:12.600 a good question question to add on to brian's are you running through dudes in miami jesus christ

01:09:19.240 uh no not typically now um you're really still still asking still asking i mean i'm curious

01:09:27.960 i'm curious i have some thoughts underneath all of this and i'm not gonna tell what it is where it

01:09:32.040 comes from i'm just i'm curious don't worry about it he's running through checks and he's running

01:09:35.160 through dudes um yeah are you looking for tips or what not exactly um i'll pass i'll pass the

01:09:42.200 banter tonight i feel sexually harassed right now has been taught to you you're the one that's rubbing

01:09:45.960 your leg against this guy like a horny dog okay how can i not look at him man okay and that's with

01:09:52.680 the wig off but i agree with you there as far as uh you know the bbls and the fake tits and to be

01:09:58.840 clear hold on i'm not saying that like if you want to do the bbl stuff and all that that's totally fine

01:10:02.360 i'm not judging that i'm just saying that that's not my scene like girls that's not your type of

01:10:05.720 girl yeah they would hate me and i probably wouldn't get along with them right um question for you

01:10:09.720 very serious question have you hooked up with any of the girls who have been on fresh and fit i'm

01:10:17.640 not gonna talk about like okay here's like a broad rule that i have that's bad game no no here's

01:10:22.520 a broad rule that i have too okay one is a lot of women that do hook up with streamers or whatever

01:10:26.680 don't like to ever be public about it for a variety of reasons because you look bad there's

01:10:29.800 associations it's just too dramatic and then two i will never on shows i will never confirm

01:10:34.920 or deny certain types of girls because what happens is if i deny some and i say no comment for others

01:10:39.320 people will start like peace together so i usually just as a rule of thumb i don't ever like out

01:10:43.000 people if somebody else wants to talk about it i'm like oh yeah we hooked up whatever but i'll never

01:10:45.800 be like the first one to out stuff like that fair enough a gentleman thanks true gentleman okay um so

01:10:52.200 you two requested initially to come on and then you also wanted destiny to to join us you two describe

01:10:57.320 yourselves as feminists is that yeah um so what does that mean to you to be a feminist i believe

01:11:05.400 in equal rights between women and men okay i believe that a woman should have the right to choose whether

01:11:11.080 she wants to stay at home and be traditional i think that's cool sure if she wants to go to the

01:11:15.240 workforce i think that's cool as well um i just think that they should have those opportunities available

01:11:20.440 to them to me it just means gender equity liberation and the promotion of women's success

01:11:27.400 financially socially economically you said equity there um what do you mean by equity because

01:11:34.200 equality i have a fairly good understanding of but equity is a bit more um i think modern iterations of

01:11:39.480 feminism have kind of moved away from trying to find equality and complete and total parity between

01:11:45.240 the sexes and the genders and like a one-to-one way i think it's less about trying to find this

01:11:50.680 golden mean that's probably never going to exist and more about like where do we see deficiencies for

01:11:55.400 the genders and on the basis of sex or gender and how can we accommodate everybody and make sure

01:12:01.080 everybody's needs are being met and that nobody's being discriminated against on that basis alone

01:12:05.480 on the subject of gender if i may ask what is a woman

01:12:08.840 this is a million dollar question don't even bother asking aaron that question you're just

01:12:15.000 going to get another question maybe maybe she wants to answer it i mean okay so i feel like every

01:12:21.320 single time i try to come up and answer with this and i try to think it logically through i run into

01:12:26.120 some problems so usually what i try to do is i do ask other people to define it first because i

01:12:30.680 rather work on their definition and see if everything tracks because so far every definition that's been

01:12:35.880 presented to me like there's some logical consistency okay but what is a woman just to me a woman seems

01:12:42.920 to be somebody who presents as a woman who acts as a woman societally you can't use the same term in

01:12:49.080 the definition of the term that's not 100 true um if you know about functional definitions that's like

01:12:55.480 i don't want to get into behavioral psych that's gonna be a whole other thing but basically um we have

01:13:00.920 these conceptions of what a woman is what how they present um certain feminine features certain ways

01:13:06.760 that they dress and we tend to say okay if you wear skirts dresses um have long hair that's a woman

01:13:13.880 whether it should be considered that or not is a completely different story that then starts

01:13:18.200 running into logical inconsistencies would you consider gorlok a woman i don't know who gorlok is the fat

01:13:23.480 fuck i don't know but i would love pixie um if i look at somebody and uh they identify as a woman but

01:13:34.200 i don't i don't know that and i just totally register that person as a man in my mind and that's how i

01:13:39.240 interact with them then is that person a woman well that's where we start running into logical

01:13:44.840 inconsistencies right i would say basically the main thing is identifier right um so why is that the main

01:13:51.960 thing though because when we say chromosomes when we say biology and try to use that definition the

01:13:58.680 reality here is that i did not check anybody's chromosomes in here before calling them a man or

01:14:03.880 woman or genitals right there are a lot of other micro calculations that your brain is making about

01:14:09.000 someone's appearance which makes you register them as either one or the other exactly i we're making

01:14:14.520 assumptions based on appearances not genitalia or chromosomes so there seems to be some sort of

01:14:19.880 inconsistency if we try to define it biologically because we don't actually act that way in reality

01:14:25.400 i didn't check your genitalia i didn't check your chromosomes i just assumed because of how you

01:14:29.880 presented yourself that you were a woman so i agree like it's a complicated subject it feels like there's

01:14:35.720 inconsistencies whenever we try to define it like hey but wait a second just because i wear short hair

01:14:40.920 does that make me not a woman anymore of course not so it is a complicated subject i'm not here to pretend i

01:14:46.680 have all the answers actually i don't think we find it john what do you think about that i think

01:14:50.280 that you're intellectualizing it too much i think if we took a hundred people and just had them

01:14:54.280 identify every person at this panel are you a man or are you a woman they would with 100 accuracy

01:14:58.840 be able to discern the biological sex even without seeing the chromosomes or the genitalia they would

01:15:03.800 know that's definitely not true that's absolutely true totally so true you could find like femboys and

01:15:10.360 stuff on twitter that are more feminine than the most feminine women you're right and so here's sort of the

01:15:14.280 problem i don't like the the way that the conservatives and in particular some of the daily

01:15:18.360 wire crowd handle this i understand why they do it they're trying to attack the problem head on but

01:15:22.280 you're right when you say it's not sufficient to define a woman by her biology you know if you say

01:15:26.920 like this sort of crude you know people make a lot of money now selling t-shirts like real women don't

01:15:30.840 have dicks and it's like okay yeah well real women also shouldn't speak that way frankly it's sort of

01:15:35.400 like your definition earlier for example like i couldn't ask you what an ant is and you couldn't reply

01:15:40.280 like an ant is a creature that acts like an ant like there has to be some way that that creature

01:15:44.200 is behaving naturally and i think that women in their natural state tend to not always but tend

01:15:48.600 to behave a certain way and tend to look at look a certain way and conservatives i think are afraid

01:15:52.920 to acknowledge that because we have so much internalized feminism and liberalism in the sense

01:15:57.000 that we don't want to pretend that that exists like that women act a certain way and men act a certain

01:16:00.600 way and so we do want to keep it in a comfortable area a comfortable area of like oh well my biology

01:16:05.560 textbook says this and you know you look like this but in the next 10 15 years chase and i were

01:16:09.720 talking about this earlier as the surgeries continue as the hormones continue the makeup you won't be

01:16:14.760 able to tell and it won't be sufficient to just look at somebody and be able to say oh you're a man

01:16:18.280 or you're a woman and so it can't purely be cosmetic it can't purely be biology biological it's almost

01:16:23.480 this like metaphysical discussion that i don't think anyone's ready to have so in a way the woke people

01:16:27.800 are actually more correct because they're trying to have a conversation about the essence of gender

01:16:32.280 and the right is just like oh well men and women there's only two of them and that's just a losing

01:16:36.200 point of view so i actually agree in a way with what you're saying i just don't agree with the

01:16:39.480 conclusion part of the reason why i asked the question you mentioned that you're a feminist and

01:16:43.960 you believe in fighting for women's rights so on and so forth and there's this interesting thing that

01:16:47.720 started to happen in our society where i've seen a number of articles about this in recent years it came

01:16:51.720 up on a couple podcasts ago uh there are biological males that are being convicted of crimes and before

01:16:58.920 they go to their sentencing they all of a sudden start identifying as women and they get sent to

01:17:03.560 female prisons where they will then go to the female prisons and they will rape the female inmates

01:17:08.200 and impregnate them chase bro sorry i forgot dude they will grape them a little too late scoffed dude

01:17:14.600 yeah sorry um anyways like as somebody who believes in fighting for women's rights like don't you feel

01:17:19.880 like that kind of jeopardizes women's rights um i think that when it comes to like the whole idea of

01:17:26.120 like a sudden makeshift gender um saying oh no like suddenly identify as a woman so i can get into

01:17:31.800 a woman's prison and rape woman um that is something oh i'm sorry i keep saying i'm sorry

01:17:38.520 um keep going but yeah that is something that would be worrisome absolutely um and that kind of goes back

01:17:45.000 to this whole idea of like okay how long should a person be able to present or are there other markers

01:17:51.320 that we can actually like the psychologist can talk to you have a real conversation and be able to

01:17:55.640 determine like what are your true like incentives or motives um i don't know how common these cases

01:18:00.680 are i do feel and i just bring this up not to try to derail let me just say that the the day we had

01:18:07.480 that conversation it happened again later that day like it's probably pretty common i i mean the reason

01:18:13.240 why i kind of want to push back on that is because one percent of the population in the united states

01:18:18.680 is trans right so that means like the percentage of people who are trans and also going to jail

01:18:23.080 are probably like less than i if i had to guess like less than point two or point three percent

01:18:27.720 right so it just doesn't seem like it's like unless if you have stats saying the majority of

01:18:32.840 trans people are going to jail you might actually have an over representation hold on one second it

01:18:37.400 could be happening in jail it could be happening in women's restrooms like these kind of assaults

01:18:42.200 happen all over the place and it's like for me it's like okay i hear you say that you're a feminist but

01:18:46.280 it's like i feel like a true feminist would really work to protect actual biological women from

01:18:50.840 this whole situation being taken advantage of assault is already illegal though i'd like to

01:18:55.080 add on it's already illegal but it's being made it's being made it's being made it's being made

01:18:59.960 easier it's being made easier as a result of the direction that our society has gone in and it's

01:19:05.800 like i feel you know the women who stand against this stuff they call them TERFs right trans exclusionary

01:19:10.760 radical feminists but it's like i feel like there's nothing radical about it i feel like a true feminist

01:19:14.120 would actually work to protect her sisters when stuff like this is is coming up mr chase may i add on to

01:19:18.760 that i just wanted to ask how masculine in the face does someone have to be before you're

01:19:22.360 uncomfortable in a bathroom with them what do you mean i'm that's a what was your question how

01:19:27.480 masculine in the face does someone have to be before you yourself i'm asking you have you ever been in

01:19:32.520 the bathroom with like a butch lesbian i have i'm asking you okay but butch lesbian like by definition

01:19:38.040 present pretty masculinely and yet they're clearly still women i'd like for you to let me finish i'm asking

01:19:43.480 you personally how masculine in the face does someone have to be before you yourself feel

01:19:49.640 uncomfortable and unsafe in the bathroom with them i honestly wouldn't feel uncomfortable or unsafe in

01:19:54.360 the bathroom unless if that person and also this applies to this woman as well unless that person

01:19:59.000 started trying to like interact with me somewhere in the bathroom right you saw chase in the in the

01:20:02.840 women's restroom how would you react how would you react if you saw buck angel in the women's restroom

01:20:07.480 i think this is the issue right is it like angel is a trans man who's very masculine yeah okay but

01:20:13.080 they have a vagina i'm assuming i think i gotta catch up on all this paul colgan with a vagina

01:20:16.920 in the bathroom would that not make you there andrew tate did a very interesting video on this

01:20:20.440 where he asked he did but it's like if i saw buck angel in in the man the men's bathroom like i'd be

01:20:25.400 like okay like whatever i don't care yeah but i can defend myself you're saying if you went into the

01:20:30.520 the women's restroom yeah well women are more vulnerable than men so it matters less who's

01:20:36.040 going into the men's bathroom no no no we're saying if you take hulk hogan and you give him a vagina

01:20:41.080 and then he enters a woman's restroom respect when you see them you're gonna say like oh my god like

01:20:45.960 you know that's a male or whatever but you don't know they have a vagina so the question becomes like

01:20:50.440 a lot more like murky or the answer to the question becomes a lot more murky because you're saying like

01:20:54.600 oh how masculine um do they have to look before you're uncomfortable but at the end of the day they have

01:20:59.000 a vagina aren't they because if you gave hulk hogan a neo-vagina he'd still be a man i feel

01:21:04.200 like if you gave him a vagina giving him a vagina via a sex operation if you have a woman if you have

01:21:10.600 a woman who decide if you have a woman or somebody who was biologically born female whatever um and

01:21:16.600 they start injecting like that's the definition okay okay okay if you have a woman or like biologically

01:21:22.920 born female that's the definition you're working with and they start injecting themselves with like

01:21:27.240 steroids start you know grinding start working out get surgery to get you know their boobs replaced

01:21:32.920 whatever um now they're just like super muscular person that looks like a guy and they go into

01:21:37.800 the woman's restroom would that be okay with you guys no probably not actually i don't think the

01:21:41.560 female body is like ready to process those kinds of hormones one of you also mentioned the butch lesbian

01:21:46.360 have you seen the rates of domestic violence among those types of couples i wouldn't frankly want

01:21:50.680 them maybe they should have like their own bathroom okay i think it should be like an lgbt bathroom

01:21:54.360 yes i feel like the issue

01:21:56.360 someone in the chat actually claims that women are not vulnerable which is absolutely insane

01:22:01.640 well no i think the argument is women are not necessarily vulnerable in bathrooms there's not

01:22:04.680 like this epidemic they are more vulnerable vulnerable than men wait wait wait wait hold on

01:22:08.840 number one there's not this epidemic of bathroom rapes okay this is like a really fantastic

01:22:12.360 scenario number one great great great number two okay essay and i don't know if this is like an

01:22:18.360 snl skit or something but like if a grapist is chasing you and you're a woman it's not like

01:22:21.880 running into the bathroom is going to protect you right so the idea that nobody was proposing that

01:22:26.280 it would but then but if there's somebody that wants to be considered socially acceptable

01:22:30.360 it's just it already is no it's not wait hold on no no wait in some countries okay so like in

01:22:35.800 sweden for instance there's just bathrooms where everybody goes in and there's like an individual

01:22:40.440 there's plenty of places that exist nobody's out there graping everybody all over the bathrooms it's

01:22:43.800 not this is like such a niche we didn't like the grape capital of the world yeah it is

01:22:47.240 steve larson wrote girl with a dragon tattoo they have extremely high rates that's because

01:22:52.040 they have a more general definition that's because in like 2013 they did a massive redefinition to

01:22:56.440 open up what they considered great 2018 2018 yeah number one but i'm just saying that like

01:23:01.320 i think that there's a valid reason to talk about protecting women's spaces i think there's a really

01:23:04.760 good conversation we had about like women's sports but the bathroom example is one of the silliest

01:23:09.000 weirdest things that gets brought up constantly there is not an epidemic of people getting

01:23:12.200 graped in the bathroom and if there was a female sign with a dress it's not going to stop a

01:23:16.040 great why do women need to come up with a reason that they don't want men in the bathroom with

01:23:21.080 them though it's also need a specific reason like that why can't it just okay yeah but they're

01:23:25.400 uncomfortable at what point you don't you're the one that's pretending they need the reason because

01:23:29.160 if you say no i'm not you are because if you say i'm uncomfortable with somebody being in the

01:23:32.760 bathroom just because like i feel like the woman's bathroom should be just for people with vaginas

01:23:36.120 or whatever that's a fine argument you can start there but when it's like i'm worried they're

01:23:39.080 gonna assault me that's part of it but it's certainly not all of it you are correct with the

01:23:43.960 assault that wait hold on real quick because i cut her off okay at what point does someone else's

01:23:49.000 comfort at what point should that be prioritized over someone else's safety the problem is whose

01:23:54.680 comfort because we always talk about this on the biological women's you say that but so for instance

01:23:59.960 let's say that i'm a traditional father and i'm going to take my boy to the bathroom okay let's say

01:24:04.360 he's six years old and then blair white comes walking into the bathroom you would defend that we

01:24:08.680 said well she's a biological male but i might feel really uncomfortable if i'm a traditional i'm a

01:24:12.520 christian as a man you're far more able to protect yourself and no no no hold on hold on hold on

01:24:17.480 we're not talking about who's getting assaulted i'm just saying in terms of comfort because earlier

01:24:20.600 you said it's just about comfort in the bathroom so if i'm a traditional male i'm a christian man

01:24:24.600 and all of a sudden somebody like blair white walks up to the stall and starts peeing in and my

01:24:28.520 six-year-old son is there and he's like dad uh i didn't know women could do that well what am i

01:24:32.520 supposed to say now my comfort is being violated right so i feel like there has to be like a better

01:24:36.120 middle ground here other than like all trans people no that's that's the point you don't say my

01:24:39.880 comfort is being violated son you say son that's a biological male but he's pretending to be a woman

01:24:44.600 yeah but that conversation is going to be really complicated i don't think so it we live in a crazy

01:24:50.120 world son there's a lot of always live in a crazy world okay it's getting crazier i think america's

01:24:54.840 at all-time high craziness yeah we're like if you think that we're at an all-time high it just goes

01:24:58.520 to show how good the country is if the biggest problem you have are who's going into whose bathroom

01:25:01.960 okay like there are countries that are at war right now there are multiple countries

01:25:05.560 doing genocides right now and there are tons of horrible problems around the world if your biggest

01:25:08.840 issue is who's not it's not it's not i think you're doing okay that's not the biggest issue

01:25:14.040 what's the biggest issue no let's take it what's the biggest issue in america that's totally beyond

01:25:17.880 this i think homelessness on the west coast is an extreme issue that would be something that i would

01:25:21.480 consider be an extreme issue it's a big issue regardless this is an issue regardless and you're

01:25:25.640 out here saying oh there's wars being fought well that's not what's going on here sure i well there are

01:25:30.440 kind of well yeah i'm just saying that if you want to have a conversation about the bathroom

01:25:35.480 okay i think it's valid to say i feel a little bit uncomfortable if there are people that clearly

01:25:39.240 look like a man entering the bathroom and there's a lot of trans people that agree with that too i

01:25:42.520 think that's a fine conversation but when it goes into this very weird world of like i think they're

01:25:46.520 going to do these essays and these like all this stuff like i don't think sexual assaults i don't

01:25:50.440 think that like that's a legitimate concern but i think bathroom aside i think it's a principle of it i

01:25:54.920 think the discussion is safety and whatnot i think the bathroom has little to do with it i think it's

01:26:00.520 just a sure and again you're you're like saying you're saying you're using but but then you're

01:26:04.520 agreeing with me it's i don't disagree yeah if you want to argue the principle you can argue the

01:26:07.640 principle but don't fixate on like essays in the bathroom for trans people no no you're the one who's

01:26:12.680 fixating on essays in the bathroom so initially what i was asking you two is you two when you

01:26:28.600 contacted me you said you both were feminists um and you kind of described a little bit about what

01:26:33.240 that means um i suppose my question is um what do you believe in as a feminist and chiefly do you

01:26:39.640 believe in the patriarchy theory um yes i believe in the patriarchy i believe that there is like

01:26:46.360 historical examples um of the united states being a patriarchy and i still think that there are certain

01:26:51.480 ways where it currently exists um i think interestingly enough i think in some ways you guys are actually

01:26:57.400 pushing against that when you guys are talking against promiscuity in men because i think historically

01:27:02.120 it's been accepted to this idea that like oh you know if a man sleeps around he's just a player he's

01:27:06.600 just being the alpha um and that's a patriarchal notion so i actually agree with you guys in the

01:27:11.880 sense that like hey you know what like sleeping around men or women like that's not necessarily

01:27:16.440 a good idea um but yes i do believe that like in the general patriarchy and that there are still like

01:27:23.000 examples of it currently going on okay do you think we live in a patriarchy yes i do and i think like

01:27:29.480 building off of like real i think the question that you asked me was like more related to what my

01:27:34.040 definition of feminism is i gave it to you a bit earlier but i also like to explain it to people

01:27:38.600 is feminism really is just like a neutral tool and way of under like analyzing and understanding the

01:27:44.120 world around us and looking at it through gender relations or sex relations you can arrive at

01:27:48.840 conservative conclusions or like liberal left-leaning conclusions through it there's many examples of

01:27:53.880 conservative feminists rad feminine like rad fems turfs um you know third wave feminists like all of

01:28:00.600 these groups are kind of at odds with each other yeah they broadly fall under like we advocate for

01:28:04.280 women's rights but the way that they decide to go about it is completely different so there's not

01:28:07.640 one coherent definition of like this feminist ideology guides this group of women or people

01:28:12.840 because really anybody can claim to be a feminist or employ feminism sure and i just feel like it is a

01:28:17.880 useful tool for anybody to use because wouldn't you agree that the lives of men and women are so

01:28:22.680 different that to analyze them through that structure is often interesting and insightful so you think

01:28:27.480 feminism is a useful tool yes okay and just really quick just to bring you two into it i i don't

01:28:32.680 know if you guys identify as feminist destiny consider yourself feminist okay um so i think it's to be

01:28:40.360 clear that term has become so broad that it's kind of like meaningless right sure like like one way of

01:28:44.440 fighting for equity as a feminist could just be that like uh any kind of like structural barriers that

01:28:49.240 women face entering like certain fields of education should be removed but other people might argue that

01:28:53.800 like do those even exist they're um they have a better chance of getting accepted usually when

01:28:59.000 you're a woman sure most of the ones that exist now are probably like cultural in nature and a lot

01:29:02.680 of those i think have been largely eroded probably especially over the past like 10 or 20 years yeah

01:29:06.440 um but then there are other feminists that will push for way way way way way more radical stuff

01:29:10.840 depending on where you want to go on the political spectrum so it just kind of depends on what you're

01:29:13.480 sure and just so i have a just so we all agree on definitions here what is the patriarchy

01:29:19.800 the patriarchy is basically um this idea that there has been like the system of oppression

01:29:27.400 that mostly benefits men and is in the what is it detriment of women now the patriarchy also

01:29:34.040 negatively affects men a lot of people have this misconception that's like oh the patriarchy like

01:29:38.120 only benefits men like men aren't hurt by it no there are clear examples of ways that men are hurt by

01:29:43.080 the patriarchy but this idea that it basically usually favors men or puts them on top um to the

01:29:49.480 detriment of women generally speaking can you give some examples of how men have been like

01:29:53.960 boosted ahead and women have been like detrimentally damaged due to the patriarchy how men have been

01:29:58.840 detrimentally damaged no how your original point was women are damaged to put men up in the patriarchy

01:30:06.440 just some examples um yes and i think this is kind of a unique space because every other red pill space

01:30:12.840 i've been in um has had this idea that like men should like continue like sleeping around and trying to

01:30:18.120 like you know like deflower women and like not marry them and just like you know like

01:30:21.560 fuck around have fun um and continuously basically like if women decide to like follow that lead

01:30:26.600 oh they're stupid whores they're like dumb bitches like you know they don't know what the

01:30:29.880 fuck they're doing like you know they should just like shut the fuck up and go away right um i feel

01:30:35.080 like that's a very clear example of like these men reap the benefits of sex while simultaneously

01:30:40.840 looking down on the woman that they're reaping those benefits from how's that related to patriarchy

01:30:45.640 yeah how's that to a woman's detriment like guys aren't going out with guns and putting them to

01:30:49.400 women's head like you better fucking have sex with me like they're out here getting it in on their own

01:30:53.080 well it's detrimental to women because when it comes to things like oh like the workforce or when

01:30:58.120 it comes to being taken seriously it's like voicing their opinions their ideas um trying to break into

01:31:03.320 like certain fields now they're just instead of actually viewing the woman as a whole human being

01:31:08.280 they're judged only on the basis of there's no way hold on hold on there's no logical connection

01:31:12.680 the advantage of women largely though no no hold on hold on you're just you just said that

01:31:17.240 a like woman sleeping around is directly related to her getting a job that's the kind of no

01:31:21.480 well i mean okay you just made if i am trying to and this is like his body count on like on resumes

01:31:27.000 nowadays am i missed out on that can i please finish go ahead go ahead okay if i am trying to

01:31:33.240 apply to a professional job and let's say i made the mistake of having only fans or something in the past

01:31:40.600 um and somebody sends that to like my employer or if somebody's like oh you know like the way

01:31:45.320 that she dresses or she gives us like slut vibes or whatever people might see that as like oh like

01:31:50.520 unprofessional um and she might be even like the smart let's say she's extremely smart intelligent um

01:31:56.600 you know has multiple degree whatever because of those mistakes in the past now it's going to be

01:32:01.960 really hard for her to be taken seriously in a professional sense sounds like the consequences

01:32:06.120 of your own yeah wait wait wait so wait wait like how would a guy not experience the exact

01:32:12.520 same degradation if he had an only fans and they're like all this guy used to do like

01:32:16.920 feet milling i don't know what the fuck they do but you know and that was sent to an employer how

01:32:21.560 that like you know well the perception how would that like unequally affect the man in a negative

01:32:27.800 way the same way it would affect the woman in a negative way because using that as an example

01:32:31.080 to prove that men are using the patriarchy to keep women down so that example doesn't hold

01:32:35.640 up because it holds up to both sides of the sexes well generally speaking when a man sleeps around

01:32:40.360 a lot and we can even go to fresh and fit we can go to all these other red pill spaces

01:32:45.080 they are claimed to be high value men like they are claimed to be like these men who are you know

01:32:49.720 like all the men want to be like them like oh you should continue sleeping around look at all these

01:32:53.640 strategies i am very appreciative that right now that this space doesn't agree with that but the truth

01:32:58.680 of the matter is that in all these other spaces promoting the red pill they say the complete

01:33:02.680 opposite they say men should sleep around a lot there's no sense so you're trying to say like a guy

01:33:08.280 can be like hey i want to be a doctor and let me show you these 30 fucking sluts from miami i

01:33:12.920 fucked and that's not going to benefit i'm like so charismatic and so influential i can convince

01:33:18.280 like 30 women to sleep with me are you saying that matriarchy would be better are you saying

01:33:23.160 are you acting like are you saying wait wait i think the gist of what she's saying is that there

01:33:27.080 tends to be greater social repercussions for women that have engaged in sexuality well

01:33:33.080 if you take an only fans to your job application like look i want to be this

01:33:37.160 fucking well i'm not saying but i also sucked like 30 dudes dicks maybe 10 years ago but we're

01:33:42.360 neglecting that the people who staff hr departments are overwhelmingly like these girl boss this is an

01:33:47.320 anecdote but i watched a documentary called life after porn and they analyzed the differences between

01:33:52.760 male porn stars and talent after they left the industry and female porn stars after they left the

01:33:57.000 industry and the women overwhelmingly in that documentary were socially ostracized and ended

01:34:02.040 up getting back into the industry whereas the men were able to hold on that's not actually unfair

01:34:07.560 because there are i never said it was unfair i'm literally just saying that that was the case and

01:34:11.480 that was with the documentary okay hold on yeah yeah hold on so i mean but if you look at most adult

01:34:18.040 content oftentimes there's always a female name but half the time you don't even see the male you don't know

01:34:24.040 the male actor so i mean there's differences on on that level but i would suspect going back to your

01:34:30.600 point i would suspect if you know you you take two people a woman a man they both did adult content

01:34:36.920 they're trying to get a job i think it's gonna kind of reflect poorly on both of them if if it's like a

01:34:42.440 job that requires some sort of uh decorum or seriousness i understand what you're saying and

01:34:48.040 you're basically saying oh there's a general stigma against sex work which is true but but

01:34:52.120 even if we take that's the one example you go to when i'm asking about the patriarchy you asked for

01:34:58.120 one example and i gave you there's a bad example can i take a step of this okay i think when people

01:35:03.080 talk about the patriarchy in the broadest of sense what we're really saying is that historically

01:35:07.480 speaking men have kind of been granted all of the autonomy in directing society and women are even

01:35:13.880 though in some ways they're benefiting from the patriarchy they're kind of like the subjects of

01:35:17.720 men so men exist to make decisions financially they're the leaders of business they're the

01:35:22.200 leaders of banks men exist to make decisions about wars and the state of the country they're

01:35:26.600 the head of the political systems they're our presidents they're our congressmen and men are

01:35:30.440 the ones making decisions about how women live their lives they're the head of the household they're

01:35:33.720 the ones working jobs predominantly so they're choosing where people live so when people criticize

01:35:37.720 the patriarchy um in some ways the patriarchy benefits and hurts men in some ways the patriarchy

01:35:42.520 benefits and hurts women but i think what people are generally looking at is the autonomous aspect

01:35:46.680 that in patriarchy even if you are benefited and hurt a bit as a man ultimately you have

01:35:50.920 a lot of autonomy you've got a lot of different ways that you can decide to live your life some

01:35:54.280 of these come out in good ways um like you can have jobs you can be single you can do whatever

01:35:58.200 some of these come out in bad ways you're more likely to join the military or work really shitty

01:36:01.560 jobs um and then same thing with women um there are ways that it can benefit you or hurt you it can

01:36:06.360 benefit you in that you don't have to work you can stay home and take care of a kid um it can hurt

01:36:09.560 you in that you're subjugated to a pretty narrow role uh narrow set of roles but the main issue is that feminists would

01:36:15.160 argue that in a patriarchal system the man has a much wider range to express his desires and how

01:36:20.120 he wants to exist in the world whereas women are kind of like you have to do this one thing otherwise

01:36:24.360 you're going to be heavily socially or sometimes even legally ostracized well it's like the broadest

01:36:28.360 i i disagree with you a little bit there on your last point i think uh actually if you look at kind

01:36:33.480 of the options that women have it's i i think they have more options than do men for example in terms of

01:36:39.000 uh partnering up with a woman i i would say men overwhelmingly you know women have kind of two

01:36:45.240 choices they can find a man who's prepared to provide for them they can be the stay-at-home

01:36:50.120 not not all women are going to be able to secure that option but it's there for some women

01:36:55.160 or to be clear before you i'm just saying historically this way like society exists today

01:36:59.320 is a lot different than it was in the 1800s right i'm just saying historically we're talking about

01:37:02.280 patriarchy okay because as it exists today a lot of what is quote-unquote patriarchy is really we're

01:37:06.840 talking about very nuanced social pressures and a little bit of litigation so maybe around like

01:37:11.560 abortion but broadly speaking like a lot of the issues related to women and having freedom society

01:37:15.960 have been ameliorated women go to school they can have jobs they can exist on their own like largely

01:37:20.040 speaking they've got a lot more freedom now than they did even 50 years ago well sure sure thanks

01:37:23.960 largely and due to feminists gotcha and just to bring it back to you guys i mean my sense of the

01:37:27.640 patriarchy it's basically queuing on for feminists but um so it's like a conspiracy theory but um wait wait

01:37:34.040 we got to continue to use the number one weakness of feminism which is accountability so you said that

01:37:40.520 men are being lifted up and women are being put under men and men are having like these gigantic

01:37:48.280 leaps and bounds in today's modern society at the detriment of the way that's what the patriarchy is

01:37:55.240 it's just like this big phantom boogeyman that's here to oppress all women literally so i wanted you to

01:38:01.000 i just wanted you to clarify on your point because you didn't give an example destiny had to jump in

01:38:05.400 so what's your example because you used only fans on a job interview okay first of all the general

01:38:13.240 point i was trying to make is that if you find out a guy has slept with 30 women a lot of people see

01:38:17.960 that guy as like a player as charismatic etc etc if you find out a woman has slept with 30 men

01:38:23.480 oh from the streets okay yeah i think this is this is a very no but beyond that i can give you

01:38:28.280 other examples objective differences between male and female sexuality not from a cultural stigma that

01:38:33.640 has just been artificially imbued into us there are objective differences between the decisions that

01:38:39.160 women make in the so-called sexual marketplace and the decisions that men make in it because women

01:38:44.280 are the gatekeepers of sex okay can you explain to that all right i'm just i'm genuinely curious i just

01:38:49.400 want to understand like your logic and your thought process um but hold on still no example let me just

01:38:55.800 i just gotta interrupt you really quick no example i'm waiting i'll give you your hold on let me just

01:38:59.960 interrupt you really quick here um i i i feel terrible having the straw man for a feminist but like

01:39:06.440 you keep going back to this body count thing i'm i'm anti-feminist but i'm familiar with feminist arguments

01:39:14.840 like this whole men and women being judged differently because of on their sexuality is

01:39:20.840 like such a low priority for feminists i i'm confused why that's your first thing that you're

01:39:25.960 going to i know it's related to dating were you saying that you asked for one example you didn't

01:39:30.280 ask for like everybody hold on were you saying that that that was a benefit for men of the patriarchy

01:39:36.440 that men are able to sexually take advantage of women um yes but they're also the reason why i brought

01:39:41.480 that up is because since you guys kept repeating like this is a dating podcast like oh you know

01:39:45.640 relationships that was one of the first things that my mind went to but i do have other examples of

01:39:50.760 like patriarchal like structures before we get to that before we get to i find this very very fascinating

01:39:55.880 so are you acknowledging that men running through women that's a bad thing um yes but society as a whole

01:40:03.160 doesn't seem to agree with my opinion doesn't seem to agree with that and you're saying men running

01:40:06.360 through women this is one of the uh negative aspects of patriarchy and it's one of the things

01:40:11.240 that men benefit from when it comes to patriarchy is that correct would you say um society as a whole

01:40:17.800 views that as a benefit to men okay that's what i'm saying i have my personal opinion that's disagreeing

01:40:22.920 with that but in general if we're talking about how society generally views a patriarchy how general

01:40:27.960 society generally amuse women and men society generally will prop up a man if he engages in that

01:40:33.000 behavior is that because of patriarchy you're saying um i do think that's an extension of

01:40:39.800 patriarchy this idea that like men are more capable that men are you know like stronger and therefore

01:40:45.480 like those actions are supposed to indicate like strength i have one one thing one thing really

01:40:49.640 quickly i'm trying to make a point what he's trying to make a point god let him make his point i've

01:40:54.440 listened he's put his mic on the table he's leaning forward one thing i've listened for 20 minutes

01:40:58.360 please just one thing oh my god is is the patriarchy stronger now or was it stronger say 100 years

01:41:04.040 ago oh it was stronger 100 years ago i think we've made great and and so you're blaming but you're

01:41:09.880 the patriarchy was stronger say 100 years ago but now in today's day and age when it's ostensibly

01:41:15.720 the weakest it's ever been how how can you pin so this is prime let me tell you this is kind of he's

01:41:23.000 he's leading to my point okay you and i both agree that men running through women is detrimental to

01:41:28.920 our society correct yes the argument that i would make is in years past when there were stronger

01:41:37.000 patriarchal structures over society there were decreased rates of men running through women

01:41:42.280 because we had greater amounts of tradition in society this whole sexual liberation thing that is

01:41:47.480 intimately tied into feminism i would say that feminism is largely to blame for so many women

01:41:53.240 in our society getting run through because earlier in the conversation destiny was making the point

01:41:56.920 that nowadays we live in a society where a lot of women both liberal and conservative alike they want

01:42:02.120 to go and build their careers and they want to go and enjoy their lives and a big part of that

01:42:06.280 enjoyment of their lives involves being sexually free in their 20s that thing that you dislike that is

01:42:13.080 a fruit of feminism and it's one of the things historically that patriarchy protected against

01:42:17.800 because traditionally speaking it was a father's job to protect his daughter's virginity and her

01:42:22.280 purity and all that kind of stuff that's like that's a good thing for society that's this sexual

01:42:26.200 liberation stuff that's burning women is a fruit of feminism no that's a very sorry let me just respond

01:42:31.320 to that quickly all right that's a very interesting point however when i look at historically examples of

01:42:36.200 like what has happened um between men and women's relationships you still have structures of the

01:42:40.360 patriarchy that still incentivize like men to like either sleep around or not face negative

01:42:45.400 repercussions necessarily for sleeping around until the advent of feminism also tried to help fight

01:42:50.200 against that so let me just finish top of society though and a very small amount of men it's it was

01:42:55.880 nowhere near like it is today okay but the idea that like oh if a man cheats on you it's the woman's

01:43:02.280 fault she was not a good enough wife she was not like good enough whatever um existed for decades

01:43:07.960 right um this idea that like oh uh sorry i kind of lost my train of thought i think okay i just

01:43:14.920 patriarchy infidelity and marriage was frowned upon for everyone yes yeah it was found more than

01:43:20.840 everyone but women before the advent of feminism weren't able to break away from those okay from

01:43:26.440 that i just wanted to say they were stuck and let her finish your point please they were stuck in these

01:43:31.240 cycles where it was like okay um my husband cheats on me or my husband leaves me he's an alcoholic he's

01:43:37.640 doing all this well because there's no fault divorce i'm stuck with him i have to take this

01:43:43.000 abuse he could be physically abusive but those were situations with fault for divorce that was

01:43:47.640 grounds for divorce abuse alcoholism but even then the idea that you have to sees cheating as grounds

01:43:53.720 for divorce even then the idea that even then the idea that you have to go through this whole court

01:43:58.120 process to prove that your husband actually did this stuff to you and that you didn't deserve it right

01:44:03.400 because those were the thoughts back in the day that if your husband does anything to you well it's

01:44:08.200 your fault because you weren't a good enough wife you weren't good enough mother or whatever um did

01:44:12.760 stop women from being able to be liberated or be able to get the rights that they deserved kind of like

01:44:17.720 what men have to go through nowadays with false rape accusations and all that yep yeah nowadays the

01:44:21.960 reasons for divorce aren't the things you've listed it's literally just grape accusations i feel

01:44:25.960 great sorry can i just say i think that you are actively it's a great perpetuating the patriarchy

01:44:33.480 that you're cursing and blaming everything on by endorsing like only fans and stuff by saying

01:44:39.160 when did i ever endorse well just by like promoting the stuff like when did i promote it earlier when

01:44:44.600 did i do it you sort of bring only fans into things as if like no i said well i said like yeah women

01:44:50.440 are judged for having only fans that was the most niche example ever like should women not be judged

01:44:56.920 false right back is a very niche example i think you're fair play fair play but i mean come on

01:45:00.920 destiny come on hey hey hey everybody everybody everybody for the sake of brian's channel if we're

01:45:06.040 going to talk about essay let's use the word grape okay so for essay though destiny come on

01:45:11.160 pulling up like oh we see you may have had only fans no but you're strong manning me i use only

01:45:15.880 fans is an example but what i was trying to elaborate it's so bad doesn't defend you is that

01:45:20.040 even without only fans if you find out or a rumor or whatever that a woman has slept around with 30

01:45:25.240 men they're going to look down on that woman forget only fans to hold women accountable for their

01:45:32.200 actions and believe that they have full agency over their sexuality and hold them accountable when

01:45:37.080 they've done things unwise with their sexuality and that's a feminist option than considering them to be

01:45:42.920 just tiny like angel babies who deserve to be defended no matter what they do and as a feminist

01:45:48.360 i agree but i also think we should hold men accountable for these actions as well

01:45:52.200 but you seem to think that women shouldn't be judged for having an only fan let's let billy let's

01:45:55.720 let billy sorry can you repeat that you seem to think that women should not be judged for choosing

01:46:00.200 to do porn i think it depends on the circumstance there is no circumstance okay i'm sorry there are so

01:46:07.000 many women who get into sex trafficking who start only fans because they get the you know the example

01:46:13.400 that you gave us you gave us only fans no i was giving a general example of like oh the idea of when

01:46:19.800 women are judged more harshly women but if you want i'm gonna elaborate now or i'm gonna clarify now

01:46:24.920 that's just an example right um there are you you asked oh you think women should never be judged for

01:46:30.520 only fans i never said that i do think that there are certain scenarios um where they shouldn't be

01:46:35.640 judged okay all right hold on hold on hold on so for the sake of conversation let's let's bring billy

01:46:41.080 into her we could go around and around and around with this but you have like kind of like every

01:46:46.600 single answer you give it's kind of qualified like in some cases this but in other cases it's almost

01:46:50.920 like it's a nuanced discussion that's not going yeah i mean you can you can you can no you can make

01:46:55.640 every single thing nuanced is the point but it's not fruitful for the overall discussion i want to

01:46:59.960 hear let's i want to wait wait let's let billy come in i just have a question as feminists who do you

01:47:07.240 think is more at a disadvantage or more discriminated against in today's society men or women hey nev

01:47:13.240 move your mic you're gonna hate me for responding this but what metric are you using like what are you

01:47:18.280 are you saying like in the no you guys are acting like i'm crazy no and i understand the frustration

01:47:22.840 we're not acting you are crazy you are thinking with emotions right now wait did you even answer

01:47:27.880 her question i'm not trying to disrespect you like you're crazy it's just whenever you answer a

01:47:32.760 question it's like every single thing has a million shades of gray and i i don't look at the world that

01:47:38.040 way and i think it over complicates literally everything so you're saying you look at the world

01:47:43.000 and like simplistic black and white paradigms you don't ever try to look at the shades i mean i'm i'm the

01:47:48.600 kind of person i believe in like objective truth and like when it comes to the gender discussion for

01:47:52.920 example i asked what is a woman and it's like somebody who's born with an xx or xy chromosome

01:47:57.400 like to me a lot of things like that are very black and white and i know that in some small instances

01:48:01.800 there's shades of gray but it's like when questions are directed i mean when we were talking earlier

01:48:06.520 about like bathrooms we were like very interesting let him finish when questions are directed to this side

01:48:12.120 of the panel with all due respect it devolves into this like million shades of gray for literally

01:48:16.440 everything in the conversation i feel like it's not fruitful for conversation so where during the

01:48:21.720 job interview process do they ask you to bring up your only fans history is like the hiring manager

01:48:26.360 is it the hr is the level of discourse that we're on where where at what point during the client you

01:48:32.040 know there are background checks that include your internet history and if you choose to do only fans

01:48:37.160 that's in your internet footprint forever that is a choice that you made that's the example that you

01:48:43.320 brought up and in your belief as a feminist women have full agency over their sexuality since they've

01:48:49.480 been liberated it's only fair then to hold them accountable for making a decision can i say only

01:48:55.720 fans aside i personally i would not advocate for employers to go looking to see how qualified the

01:49:02.920 candidates are by the first thing that they're searching up after they see the name on the resume

01:49:07.080 let's see if they have an only fans it comes up pretty quickly and it wouldn't just be it wouldn't

01:49:11.560 just be that as part of their history any more than i think it's relevant for an employer to be like

01:49:15.080 let's look through their facebook let's look through their twitter through their youtube

01:49:21.640 every employer is allowed to freely associate with who they want but i would criticize any business

01:49:26.200 person who thinks that it's prudent to spend their time scanning through candidates like instagram and

01:49:30.920 social media yeah so wait wait wait wait yeah i think it's prudent for employers to care about

01:49:39.000 whether or not one of their employees has only fans yeah i think that's not prudent wait wait hold

01:49:43.080 on like if i'm hired if i'm if i'm a ceo if i'm a ceo generally speaking i don't think it's prudent or

01:49:48.360 like if i'm like specifically to specifically comb through their prospective like applicants internet

01:49:56.120 history okay in that way internet history and only fans are two different things only fans can be

01:50:01.320 part of your internet so so if i'm a ceo and i'm hiring somebody let's say i'm hiring a salesperson

01:50:06.680 to close high ticket deals and they're talking with important people on a daily basis and i'm sending

01:50:10.520 that salesperson to go speak with these people and if any of those people that they speak to look

01:50:14.680 up that person's name and they find pornography of them all over the internet obviously they're

01:50:18.920 going to take me and my company far less seriously if i have somebody working like that for me

01:50:23.080 how can you say that that's not important like oh well they shouldn't yeah they shouldn't no i said

01:50:28.520 every employer and business owner is allowed to freely associate and hire whoever they think so

01:50:33.240 if they really think that that's at odds with their company's profits then don't hire that candidate but

01:50:38.040 i would be very suspect as to whether or not that's actually so then wait a minute wait wait if this

01:50:42.680 may very well be the case that the scenario that you're describing does happen and if that's the

01:50:46.760 case then i wouldn't expect an employer to act any other way so okay cool great so if this is not a

01:50:52.280 relevant point and why did she bring this up as a relevant point i like how almost every other

01:50:57.320 person in the panel understood what i was saying and maybe disagreed with what i was saying but at

01:51:02.440 least understood it versus you who keep saying like oh no you think a person like should like

01:51:07.320 hired only fans when it's like hey no like what i'm trying to say is that there are different

01:51:11.320 standards for men and women when it comes to like sex that's all i was trying to say and yet

01:51:16.520 should there not be different standards for people who are different well that's a good

01:51:21.560 question so they are held to different standards because of the objective differences between male

01:51:26.760 and female sexuality bingo yeah and we can have we can have this conversation right now i just want

01:51:31.880 to point out that i appreciate you guys actually bringing that to conversation then trying to

01:51:36.440 straw man me over and over again okay so what would your response be to that would do different so just

01:51:42.520 just women and men are treated differently because of the objective differences between

01:51:46.440 men and women especially in regards to their sexuality how's the patriarchy holding women down

01:51:50.600 i'm still waiting oh yeah let's come back to that yeah why are we hold on let me let me redirect

01:51:54.520 let me redirect the conversation it's a based word okay wait so hold on men invented only fans

01:52:01.400 i did want to hear pixie's response to that hold on hold on hold on i got a couple questions

01:52:05.400 here let me try to get through them and we'll have a little back and forth okay so

01:52:09.320 under the patriarchy are women oppressed yes are men the oppressors um they're not all jesus

01:52:19.480 fuck bro don't use the words i'll come back to three hundred dollars those two feminists are so far

01:52:26.200 gone life has consequences it's called reality and you too need a clear dose of it employers want

01:52:33.880 morally sound employees news flash doing of slash sex isn't moral also can you too form a valid

01:52:41.640 argument instead of rambling thank you bad's exe i think that's victor yeah something that's

01:52:47.320 interesting to me is that like i think that there is a valid conversation we had about doing employment

01:52:51.000 background checks however um not hiring somebody because they do only fans you could argue that hey

01:52:56.280 i think the corporation should take a stand and say we don't police our um individual employees

01:52:59.960 backgrounds now you can say that's unreasonable however when corporations turn that same lens

01:53:04.440 and they get very woke about employees you conservative people get really upset about

01:53:07.640 that for instance if 10 years ago you tweeted about being a nazi or whatever or you tweeted edgy jokes

01:53:12.280 you guys would stand up and go hold on corporations shouldn't be holding employees accountable for

01:53:15.800 stuff they said on their twitter 10 years ago but it sounds like if somebody found an only fancy

01:53:19.000 did 10 years ago you'd say well it's totally fair game to make it so that that person can't work

01:53:22.600 at that company doing only fancy one at a time let's go because okay let me let me just say mine

01:53:29.160 people are getting fired from their jobs for saying something is gay on twitter 10 years ago or like

01:53:34.760 making which making a mildly homophobic but we said that's a totally different thing no like

01:53:39.400 no no national socialism no it's actually totally not because what if it is the case that your salesman

01:53:44.360 is doing business with another company and let's say that the person that they're interfacing with is

01:53:48.120 gay they find out that your salesperson tweeted homophobic stuff 10 years ago and now you've got like

01:53:52.440 a blue chip company that doesn't want to do business with you because you hire people that

01:53:56.280 have been homophobic they could use the exact same argument that you use about not hiring the

01:53:59.080 only fans people now hold on to be clear i'm not saying that we should fire all those people i'm

01:54:03.000 just saying that back in my day okay we didn't fucking peruse all the online history of everybody

01:54:07.560 to decide who gets hired who's not i think that if you're not on the clock then the fucking employer

01:54:11.000 shouldn't have anything to do with your shit but it is interesting that we were very selective

01:54:14.280 about what we want policed in a person's history this goes back to the original point that i was

01:54:18.680 making earlier in the conversation about homosexuality contributes to the degeneracy of

01:54:22.680 society i want to live in a society where you can joke about something being gay online sure but it

01:54:27.000 could be right i'm come on i'm saying gay but it could be like a racist joke it could be a bigoted

01:54:31.000 joke it could be a whatever edgy joke it could be any type of thing right is that to us is it to us

01:54:36.040 what to say that homosexuality is that to us i don't know but your podcast is going we're in

01:54:41.080 california don't worry just tell us when the stream goes down and move the rumble

01:54:44.120 hold on i think that broadly speaking i think we should probably say corporations we need to

01:54:51.400 stop this culture of corporations digging into employment history just because like people

01:54:54.840 on twitter get really mad like this guy did this thing five or ten years ago whether it's like

01:54:58.360 making a sexist joke or doing only fans okay that would be my personal fair enough we gotta move

01:55:02.280 move away from that i want to bring it back to you guys okay so feminists posit that women are oppressed

01:55:08.920 you said yes do you think women are oppressed i do believe women are oppressed yes here in the us

01:55:14.120 yes although i think the first straight answer we got all right definitions of patriarchy because

01:55:21.560 i would say that patriarchy broadly refers to the state of the world i'm really not interested in

01:55:25.720 saying like blaming specific actors or genders or sexes and this is response like no i think that's

01:55:31.320 completely counterproductive i think you can analyze the world through a patriarch like by analyzing the

01:55:35.480 patriarchy seeing the detrimental effects of that and if you see an issue you can address it okay

01:55:39.400 i think we need to get that's fine that's fine okay what are the positive aspects of patriarchy

01:55:43.640 weigh into this conversation okay let me please i know john donald's ready to sound off monumental

01:55:49.080 please let's stay here for a moment didn't men create only fans for these women to be angry

01:55:53.000 are men the oppressors because if women are the oppressed certainly then men must be the oppressors

01:56:20.200 is that true no i don't i think it's too complicated fair enough okay um but so you both you both agreed

01:56:27.000 that women are oppressed yes by themselves your women are you oppressed um yes into the mic please

01:56:38.040 yes how are you as a straight white woman oppressed hold on before you answer that are you oppressed as

01:56:43.160 a woman yes i would say belonging to like identifying being a woman yes that puts you at a disadvantage

01:56:49.640 socially because of the social biases we've been discussing earlier on the panel i think that's

01:56:53.000 why no one has asked bro mary shut the fuck up hey guys everybody brian's trying to get some

01:56:56.760 you're interfering with this clip farming come on okay how are you oppressed there's been countless and

01:57:03.320 countless times whether it be in academia podcast whatever where i say something and people say like

01:57:10.680 she's a dumb bitch or in academia it's more like that's not an example of your oppression well if

01:57:16.360 people are literally saying that but then when it comes to a man saying the exact same thing i said

01:57:21.720 being like oh that was actually a very intelligent point well then they are degenerating me or then

01:57:26.520 are you talking about double standards because there's plenty of that's a form of oppression you

01:57:29.800 don't think double standards is there's some benefit using the word how are you defining

01:57:33.400 oppression of slavery and genocide and some guy calling you a dumb

01:57:36.680 bitch for accurately oh my god a form of oppression have you ever hung out in like a call of duty like

01:57:43.400 call of duty this is the problem you have conversations like this and you participate

01:57:48.920 in conversations like this and then feminists will literally think to themselves why has every

01:57:53.000 major religion in society imposed like borderline draconian rules on our behavior and it's like

01:57:57.720 maybe this lends some credibility to that thing i mean women don't aspire to agency this is the problem

01:58:02.760 with women are oppressed can women be oppressed if they're not like tied down somewhere you guys

01:58:07.000 don't aspire to agency the one that meant the way that men do you are not fundamentally trying to lead

01:58:12.120 trying to do things like that you think you are because you respond to the media and to society

01:58:15.880 putting that idea in your head but if that were not the case you go back i think brian wants you to

01:58:20.120 end your little soy rant no it's fine i was enjoying that literally everything you have said

01:58:25.560 you called it a soy rant because he's making good that rant was no no no no no everything you have

01:58:29.720 literally said are the same arguments people have used against black people in like the 60s

01:58:34.520 now i go to the black cloud oh my god yes oh my god oh my god oh black people no not the black

01:58:44.600 people no no no shut the up okay if you're gonna tell me to shut the up actually say something

01:58:50.600 afterwards otherwise you look empty you've been yelling this entire time so i haven't been able

01:58:54.520 to say anything afterwards you're not going to sit here and say that you being a whore is anywhere

01:58:58.760 near the oppression that other groups like black people or whatever have faced you are complete

01:59:03.640 the point no no no you're saying they're calling me a dumb bitch i'm so no no no i'm saying he's

01:59:08.040 saying don't act like a dumb bitch okay john made secret points no what i'm saying first of all

01:59:14.360 you guys took my point completely twisted it yeah i don't think we're doing like oppression olympics

01:59:18.840 here no no no no the point that i was trying to make what about black people people

01:59:23.240 okay the point that i was trying to make is that people look at my gender and you know have

01:59:29.160 limited my opportunities when it comes to like let's say careers look at your retardation billy

01:59:33.320 billy go ahead no they don't into the mic you have a greater advantage being a woman today

01:59:38.440 do you i think into the mic sorry sorry i think um we should list i think if we asked men and women

01:59:47.000 at this table to list off how they're oppressed in today's society the men could come up with a much

01:59:52.040 bigger list i got one i guarantee not a single woman has done any landscaping in the hot sun

01:59:57.960 to survive that's oppression i think well well i i think if we're gonna play the oppression game

02:00:06.200 men i don't want to play that game if you want to play that game well i'm prepared to play it let's

02:00:09.880 play it men men are more oppressed than women for sure absolutely yeah and in fact and not not only

02:00:16.920 today but historically in some way sure like if you want to talk about like men are scared to even

02:00:21.080 speak to women if you want to talk about male disposability men having like climbing rates of

02:00:26.120 like suicide i'm gonna be with you what percentage of what what percentage of people that are homeless

02:00:32.200 are men probably the majority no three and four okay yeah so where does the where does the matriarchy

02:00:39.320 fit into that oppression is that like well that's a really simple one how long do you think a homeless

02:00:43.480 woman would make it i think she's more likely to i agree with you but i think a lot of women will

02:00:48.600 rather go end up on their back than end up on the streets that would rather what women on their back

02:00:54.040 than end up on the streets sure but i mean like even ignoring even ignoring that i'm just saying that

02:00:58.920 like there's a lot of questions that we ask in terms of like and the oppression olympics thing is

02:01:03.640 weird um to be clear because i'm drawing my own so patriarchy arguably oppresses and raises up both

02:01:09.080 men and women in different ways right but when we ask questions like well who's more homeless men men can

02:01:13.160 survive being homeless because we have a lot of biological advantages because we're not subject

02:01:16.360 to violence from other men in the same types of way that women are right when for instance when

02:01:19.960 women talk about or when men when red pillars say you need a man to protect you protection from who

02:01:23.480 from other men right because that's typically the people that are abusing or violating other women so

02:01:27.160 if you ask that question who's more likely to be homeless it's probably going to be men of course

02:01:30.280 like 98 so women are going to make a home fair point but i want to add on to that because she's saying

02:01:34.760 that the patriarchy like you know disproportionately affects women in a negative way

02:01:38.920 and it doesn't affect men in a negative way but then where does homelessness come into play so

02:01:43.240 the reason why i don't like to use negative is because so patriarchy is just like i don't go

02:01:46.280 based off her example that's what i'm saying patriarchy is like a way that society is structured

02:01:49.720 it's enforced by everybody because in some ways men and women benefit from it in some ways men and

02:01:52.840 women hurt from it um but there are um the the the way that we suffer under it arguably is is

02:02:00.840 subjective and whether or not it's good or bad so for instance like i imagine on this side of the

02:02:03.800 table people would say that women being relegated to relatively narrow roles and how they can

02:02:07.560 participate in the house and society they consider that a good thing um feminists traditionally would

02:02:11.640 say well women being relegated to narrow roles in the house would be a bad thing right so it's hard

02:02:15.320 to say that like is patriarchy good or bad it's just like a form of organizing society the same

02:02:19.720 way that a matriarchy would be the same way egalitarian would be there's going to be pros and

02:02:22.760 cons to every type of organization right even patriarchy in some ways is incredibly beneficial

02:02:27.080 to how society is arranged it makes like figuring out gender roles and households and everything

02:02:30.360 incredibly fucking simple it gets really clear guidelines for how men are supposed to act and how

02:02:34.360 women are supposed to act that's like a benefit for sure in some ways it's a negative

02:02:37.160 destiny arguing for patriarchy but in some ways it's a negative because you might have an incredibly

02:02:41.480 talented pool of women that could be contributing to society in really positive ways that are now

02:02:45.720 basically relegated to being barefoot and pregnant in their homes all the time because we don't really

02:02:48.840 want their contributions right the reason why i think that our society has succeeded more in the

02:02:52.680 west than it did in any other place in the world is to some extent because we opened the floodgates

02:02:56.760 to allow any type of person to have a conversation and that's why podcasts like this or fresh and fit you're

02:03:02.280 getting people from fucking that have traveled to saudi arabia and dubai coming back and arguing with black

02:03:06.520 women and hispanic women and men of all sorts of different backgrounds and religions are all

02:03:09.800 coming together having these conversations they're not doing that in saudi arabia they're not doing

02:03:13.320 that in iran they're not even doing that in a lot of places in europe that's happening in the united

02:03:16.360 states of america and i think it's largely because we've tried to break down a lot of those barriers

02:03:19.880 are you are you contributing are you contributing the success of the west to the principle of free

02:03:24.120 speech um i think largely for freedom of speech and for unlocking the talent pool that you have of

02:03:29.800 people by not hardcore relegating them to certain roles the reason why i ask is because the west was

02:03:34.200 successful relative to other civilizations long before we had free speech and equal rights for

02:03:39.000 everybody i mean the united states was kind of founded on pretty radical principles of free

02:03:43.240 speech and democracy yes it was but the west existed prior to the united states and i i'm talking about

02:03:48.120 the real west okay the uf fuck europe all right i mean if we're talking about if we're talking about

02:03:51.800 the real west it's the west coast for even the people who all love to like love and hate like people

02:03:56.360 like elon musk this guy came from like south africa right like there's there's so much cool

02:04:00.360 shit that happens in the u.s that only happens in the u.s yeah i agree people come here and i know

02:04:04.120 you guys have argued people come here for the opportunity and stuff we have a really unique

02:04:06.840 environment here and i think largely because we've tried to push people outside of like the hardcore

02:04:11.000 relegated roles that we feel like they need to be in which i think benefits all of us i do i do have

02:04:15.560 to interrupt because we do need to get a couple of these uh donations read so let me redirect this here

02:04:21.080 we have doc the nabili to chase his point the only demographic in the west that is kind of real

02:04:26.040 i suppose well not really it's having births above replacement level is religious household also even

02:04:30.920 in polygamous households marriages for the benefit of children when there is chaos the chill the

02:04:35.640 children end up in rehab doc thank you for the uh donation i appreciate it man dj takavar oh hold

02:04:42.760 on that's another one uh brock to chase proverbs five okay thank you was that a cookie it's a i

02:04:50.360 i didn't mean a heart handshake oh thank you hey thank you brock appreciate it waiting for this

02:04:55.240 other one that came in that just came in right now so rock you gave 200 bucks put the verse next

02:05:00.120 time okay all right dj thank you brian crazy to see different dynamics of dating today in the 805

02:05:04.280 from san lus obispo made move to the u.s for the uh second amendment rights though chase mary put the

02:05:09.720 these maps what the lip-tard clowns in their place also madison is so perfect her farts definitely

02:05:16.840 smell like cinnamon okay dude do you guys support madison madison no bro where does this come from

02:05:22.680 then yeah we're not because it's the stereotype yeah shut it down shut up bro oh my god okay pull

02:05:27.960 that one back up when he's done you can oh yeah yeah davon jackson thank you for the 100. the patriarchy

02:05:34.440 is a society built by men for women and children it's made it's more convenient for women to raise

02:05:38.600 children to the point that they think they don't need men to do it or opt not to at all hey davon jackson

02:05:44.120 good to see you in the chat man thank you much thank you very much appreciate the donation

02:05:47.560 we have uh this one here from uh l chase proverbs 5 i challenge you to read it out loud let it shine

02:05:53.640 my brother in christ billy you a proverbs 31 woman what's your take on blue-haired embodiment of

02:05:59.640 socialist ideology that's for billy go ahead wait what's your take on blue-haired embodiment of

02:06:05.000 proverbs 31 woman i would encourage everybody in the audience audience to read proverbs 31. it

02:06:10.520 describes the ideal wife a woman of noble character and virtue who takes care of her home takes care

02:06:15.880 of her husband takes care of her kids makes sure that the family's name is respected multiplies

02:06:21.080 the family's investments her her husband will uh essentially need nothing because of how much

02:06:26.120 she does for him in the family her family her value is worth more than rubies yes she is a wife

02:06:31.960 it says a wife of noble character who can find her value is worth far more than rubies and it's true

02:06:36.600 it's madison any thoughts on the cinnamon he's saying that you are worth far more than rubies

02:06:41.080 a wife of noble character what do you think about that i think it's actually very true because that's

02:06:46.200 exactly what i want to be praise the lord ptl okay we have uh nobody here thank you for the uh

02:06:52.360 donation man appreciate it i send you an instant message on your brian profile destiny wanted to see

02:06:57.160 here keep it center by the way uh for the destiny wanted to see me do push-ups in response to my message

02:07:02.120 i expect him to also do push-ups on live stream 10 drunk push-ups with no push downs that mean no

02:07:08.360 push downs i think it's a gay comment yeah i don't know what it is you guys know way more gay lingo than

02:07:13.080 i do i'm not sure couldn't tell you man oh man and then we had this the bad zxc that one came through

02:07:19.320 let me do a couple from youtube we're pretty did you read the exe one it was a uh tts that i'm pretty

02:07:25.240 sure came through already it's called reality yeah that one came through as a tts um all right we have uh

02:07:31.080 i want to read proverbs 5. do we just do stiff or really quick okay what do you ask everyone

02:07:35.400 to rate their looks on scale one to ten really quick destiny you first obviously 10. 10 of course

02:07:40.680 10. oh god i don't want to answer why not patriarchy the page patriarchy please i just

02:07:48.200 give you a patriarchy two buffer so whatever you say plus two i don't know i feel like um to me it's

02:07:54.680 weird when i try to like judge my own looks i feel like i don't know i feel like the question are you a

02:07:59.320 10. fine i'm a 10 whatever i'm don't let me put words in your mouth no i just i think like

02:08:05.320 whenever people ask questions like that kind of annoys me because i feel like there's so much

02:08:08.520 more to a person there is of course i know but answer the question yeah so i'll just i can answer

02:08:15.560 it for you i'd say maybe a four or six i mean personally i think how someone looks is like the

02:08:20.360 least interesting thing about them but that's just me i realize you do this little exercise in every

02:08:24.760 single episode and the whole point is that everybody gives themselves like what's the

02:08:28.520 ridiculous thing i haven't heard that we haven't gotten to that side of the table yeah i'll answer

02:08:31.800 but you guys usually rate yourself as well of course sometimes you say the same number every time

02:08:35.880 yeah yeah you don't feel like you have a good day or a bad day no i i incorporate that into it

02:08:40.200 we'll get to it so do you uh i'll say 10 let's continue i'm gonna stick with my answer it's a 6.7

02:08:47.080 nev i'm gonna say a 6 for me as well john uh i give myself a 7 today because this suit is really

02:08:53.320 good i say 7 i would say a 9 a 10 is not real that's like an abstraction right like assuming

02:09:00.200 a normal distribution is jesus a 10 yeah that's us of a rating system okay right well you know people

02:09:06.040 i think they misunderstand that they tend to think that like a 7 is average because they think 7 is

02:09:10.120 70 that's like a c assuming a normal distribution this is very important rating women rating people in

02:09:14.360 general five would be like a perfect average and then you would see like a bell curve sort of

02:09:18.680 slope from there so if you're talking about a 7 i mean that's already like what top 15 percent

02:09:23.320 probably even greater than that it's very important stuff hey we over here we're perfect yeah okay

02:09:27.720 chase what about you 7.58 on a good day thank you so this is not to be weird or anything too late for

02:09:34.760 that sorry sorry i mean you have a boyfriend i'm just saying i see a beautiful man and i'll call

02:09:41.160 him a beautiful man oh all right thank you by the way uh you're a virgin yeah she has a boyfriend

02:09:50.360 okay okay uh i i give myself a six 6.9 on a good day how about with the wig on though 10 10.

02:09:57.400 i'm like the mirror opposite of destiny with the way of course um yeah the 10 thing though i'm sorry i

02:10:05.480 gotta function that by answering initially my bad it's all good it's all good um so you object to

02:10:10.920 the whole 10 thing you said people really don't care about much about physical appearance um it's

02:10:15.160 not i'm not going to pretend like people aren't influenced by physical appearance i just feel

02:10:19.400 like so much of society focuses on that and it's like dude well it's extremely it's extremely important

02:10:25.320 you have to have attraction to have a relationship it's just a question about how would you rate your

02:10:30.440 physical looks that's all it is it's not like what's your worth as a human being it's not

02:10:34.600 important obviously it's important to some i'm just saying to me personally i tend to think how

02:10:38.760 people look is usually the least interesting thing about them i think there's a lot more to people than

02:10:42.680 just something something tells me you're lying based on the fact that you've never been on a date

02:10:47.560 before i think something tells me you're projecting no no i think i think you've rejected every dude

02:10:51.960 that's asked you out because probably because none of them have been interesting or good looking

02:10:55.560 enough to go out with them no no i've rejected people it's literally just been on the basis that i don't

02:11:00.120 think we're compatible we can still be you haven't even gone on a date with them now how do you

02:11:03.800 know you're not compatible just the words right out of my mouth time on going on a date with them

02:11:07.640 if i don't feel that initial compatibility or like chemistry i think that's where you're failing

02:11:11.640 you're you're not going on dates with people yet you're saying oh i'm judging them on

02:11:15.640 compatibility but you're not actually like i mean it's not just like occurring out of nowhere

02:11:21.160 they asked me if i would like to go on a date with them if they would just are going to tell

02:11:24.680 me like come on a date with me i mean that's different but like when you ask somebody on a date

02:11:28.840 you're accepting that they're they may or may not reject you are everything wrong with modern

02:11:32.760 dating hold on hold on i think you are everything i mean we already established that i'm not dating

02:11:36.680 so are you are you are you hold on billy ray billy ray are you insinuating that if a guy told you come

02:11:41.800 on a date with me you'd be like okay no i just said you said it would be different if a guy said no

02:11:47.160 because she said that you're judging people on the basis of this and i'm saying if you ask somebody

02:11:50.680 on a date you're putting yourself out there and you are opening yourself up to rejection

02:11:53.640 would you go on a date with fresh from the fresh and fit podcast would i go on a date with fresh

02:11:59.400 yes he's a good-looking attractive man who wouldn't go on a date with fresh who wouldn't

02:12:02.280 go on a date with myron who wouldn't go on a date with the entire crew at fresh and fit you know no

02:12:06.200 i'm just asking you about fresh is that a yes sitting to the camera to fresh yeah that

02:12:12.120 that camera right there wait are you advocating you're so fucking difficult i think that's your

02:12:16.760 problem yes i'm sorry that i cut you off but it's just like i've been holding it in then maybe not

02:12:22.600 because if i'm so like difficult and disagreeable then it doesn't sound like fresh and i would get

02:12:25.960 along right so okay here's here's a clarifying question when was the last time you met or

02:12:30.840 discovered or anything maybe you didn't meet him when was the last time hold on when was the last time

02:12:34.680 you came across a guy who you were like he's attractive i would go out with him if you asked me

02:12:38.200 can you ever remember an instance where you found a guy attractive and would want to go out with him

02:12:42.600 um i mean when you say that i guess it would have to like if you're asking me like the last

02:12:46.600 time that i could remember i can't think off the top of my head no can't remember the last guy you

02:12:49.560 were attracted to what no i got a question it's not because they don't exist did you have crushes

02:12:53.960 on guys in high school or college or anything yeah it's not because attractive men don't exist

02:12:58.120 attractive men are all around me but i'm saying that there's more to like what i'm going to

02:13:02.760 consider when i'm deciding like who do i want to date more than just physical attractiveness there's

02:13:06.920 a plethora of i know that's not my question my question is can you remember the last guy you were

02:13:10.840 attracted to like their face or like just in general energy face everything can you ask to be

02:13:17.480 a troll dude this is such a troll but i like i don't know exactly what you mean or like i'm asking

02:13:23.000 do you want kids can you stop asking your questions like you want kids can you remember the last wait

02:13:27.320 can you remember the last time i don't know if i can have kids but can you remember last time a guy

02:13:30.680 liked you like engaged in conversation and like she wanted to go on a date with you yeah when was that

02:13:35.800 today i wanted to go on a date with you today no like was i asked on a date today no but i'm in

02:13:42.680 contact and friends with men who have asked me on dates before that i didn't go on okay can i ask

02:13:48.520 a question yeah is your neck okay huh oh i guess you have like a cooling pad or something oh yeah i've

02:13:54.440 got chronic neck pain issues i've got a neck injury so damn does this podcast help or hurt that definitely

02:14:01.160 hurts stress is stress does not help with pain definitely hurts i don't know with chase next to

02:14:06.840 you i think that should also be like helping right bro you're weird you're good it's

02:14:13.240 fucking chick okay are you a virgin no no no no question right i'm just because like she must be

02:14:21.480 dude after that conversation intellectualizes it and says like what is a virgin though yeah there's no

02:14:26.600 such thing as virginity and here's why here's an idea of a virgin some kind of attraction nothing's

02:14:32.760 black and white nothing but there is no real virgin because you say you've like never been on a date so

02:14:38.040 i'm just trying to figure it out you don't have to ever worry about like the patriarchy boogeyman of

02:14:41.800 like men like kidnapping you or whatever because they just return you after you talk so much

02:14:47.160 no i was gonna say if you've never been on a date but brian but brian i'd like to be the first

02:14:51.640 no no no okay so he answered now you see how simple that was huh wait i want to hear about

02:14:57.880 your first time yeah my first time yeah i really want to imagine it and like how old are you gonna

02:15:02.600 trauma dump on this one it's actually i'll tell you after the show because it's kind of funny but i

02:15:07.320 don't want to wait i want to hear right now the audience i'll just say look i was 17 and uh

02:15:14.120 it was uh it was good it was good nothing too crazy i'm too freaky i'm not i don't want the

02:15:20.920 details of your first time i'm just simply asking if you're a virgin or not you're just simply

02:15:25.880 asking that the answer is clearly no very simple clearly no clearly very simple answer

02:15:31.960 is it so clear okay if it's so clear why do you have some guy listen some guy made her like this

02:15:37.720 so like it's clearly have you had sex which chromosome are you missing here's a better question

02:15:43.320 who hurt you i don't know have have you had sex

02:15:49.560 bro this chick's like actually i want to drop the r bar our words so fucking bad do it i think this is

02:15:55.160 why you need to judge people more thoroughly on how they look because the moment she sat down you could

02:16:00.040 just tell by her appearance that this was pretty much more or less how the conversation was going

02:16:04.280 to go she sort of has the like like librarian physiognomy but i don't the librarian physio yeah

02:16:11.240 i don't understand your objection to not wanting to answer the question because

02:16:15.080 if you have had sex like i think anyone here who's had sex it's not like a shameful thing to admit

02:16:21.480 you've had sex um and it's also not a shame i can tell you i can tell you what the shame is not a

02:16:26.680 shameful thing if you're a virgin either so i don't understand here's what it is she's already

02:16:30.280 revealed that she's never been on a date so if she has in fact had sex that means that she had

02:16:34.920 sex without going on a date and there is an element of shame involved with that and if she did have

02:16:39.000 sex she doesn't want to reveal it because she takes herself very seriously because of patriarchy that

02:16:43.400 would shame her yeah i mean but a lot of people in today's day and age they're not like going on dates

02:16:48.040 it's like come over and that can you know what that sort of very casual scenario could actually lead

02:16:54.040 to a long-term relationship so i mean well what's your definition of a date

02:16:58.040 the definition of a date yes we were actually well intersectionality says this about dates

02:17:05.480 i think so we don't get right in that question just like answer every you know everybody in the

02:17:10.920 chat everybody in the chat is saying that you're a plant do you have a chat do you guys think that

02:17:14.920 she's a plant or do you guys think that she's just like this all the time no she's definitely

02:17:18.200 destiny's friend is is a walk in the park but it's like it's symptoms of anybody yeah i can tell it's

02:17:24.600 like so weird like you're on a dating podcast like you're 24 you're you're 24 what the

02:17:32.200 fuck like if if we were to have a discussion about something sex related like you just would you

02:17:38.600 would also choose to omit answering like a sex related question or you're right this has been

02:17:43.160 an impediment i just you know what i want to know so fucking answer the question dude it's not like

02:17:49.080 i don't cringe just move on she's here's what i want to know

02:17:55.560 erin here's what i want to know why did you come on tonight what was your it's like bad faith that's

02:17:59.160 what that's what i'm upset about it's not your necessarily that i don't get to know the answer

02:18:03.480 it's just really bad faith that you're playing this game when you request it to be on the show

02:18:08.280 do you think you're being a good do you think you're being a good representative hold on hold

02:18:11.560 hold on do you think you're being a good representative of feminism right now do we kick

02:18:14.680 her off i think they're we just perfect we could we could before before we do before we do no

02:18:20.760 hold on you can hold on what was your intention in coming on tonight

02:18:24.600 be and suffer because discussion with you fine people about dating talk so clearly that's a lie

02:18:29.720 are you going to continue in bad faith i don't know am i dude oh my god oh my god at this point

02:18:36.120 i know because honestly like hey just keep getting kicked in these loops over here's the difference

02:18:41.240 had you just wait wait wait audience yeah yeah you have paying audience members okay we're giving a

02:18:47.560 show to them we should leave it to them okay well they're already saying kick her off at this point

02:18:52.280 would you believe i mean we've got we've got a bunch of we've got a bunch of democracy respecters

02:18:56.440 in here if if you know we want to respect democracy i say we just kick her off man at this point how can

02:19:01.160 we kick her off whatever she said because like now i'm thinking she's full of shit on everything so

02:19:07.400 how do we how do we how do we kick her off and not blame the patriarchy at the same time i think we

02:19:11.880 should just own the patriarchy and say it's based and just i literally have autism and you're ten times

02:19:16.520 more retarded than i am like i literally have diagnosed autism i was in the classroom with the sped

02:19:22.200 and shit going on the bus and shit and you're literally words that are not allowed on youtube

02:19:27.240 listen here's what it ultimately could have come down to you could you could have just said hey

02:19:32.600 listen i'd rather not share that publicly i don't want to answer that but you wanted to make it into

02:19:36.680 some game like some semantic game and i just don't understand like it's really bad faith if you just

02:19:42.280 said look hey i don't want to share that fine but like when you kind of the first time i asked you're

02:19:48.200 like we'll get into it later and then you refuse right i'll tell you what it is earlier in the

02:19:53.080 conversation she made a comment about how you enjoy clip farming erin this doesn't even doesn't

02:19:59.320 hold on hold on just listen when you kick her off hold on everybody please silence your mouths she

02:20:06.120 doesn't like you or your show she came on the show to obstruct constructive conversation i'm having a

02:20:11.800 good time no if you liked the show you would actually be good faith yeah she came on the show to

02:20:16.360 throw a wrench in the in the gears and to obstruct constructive conversation and she's acting like

02:20:20.680 she's not doing it and like we're being crazy and stuff you just kick her off the show man

02:20:25.720 chat they are dude you had a thousand people say kick her off right now you should kick her off

02:20:31.240 right now to like get me off otherwise we're going to continue wasting our time with all this

02:20:35.400 bullshit what you sticking around yeah he's a professional i drove all the way to this

02:20:39.400 fucking city so i'm here for as long as you guys okay all right you drove to this city

02:20:43.240 please i have a question for you look at look at your chat look at your chat right

02:20:47.480 i have a question is there anything aaron can do to show good faith right now

02:20:53.800 yeah be quiet honestly you had the opportunity you had the opportunity so kindly i'm asking you to leave

02:20:59.400 yes yes you played the sound effect there's no you gotta go hold on would you let her in your

02:21:07.480 polycule aaron you should go yeah yeah should you just leave please leave thank you can you leave

02:21:12.920 i don't know if your friend wants to come with you but i will leave you guys to ask the very important

02:21:17.160 questions about steven and molina's relationship and diving more thank you that's lovely thank you so

02:21:21.240 much see you next week bye bye we love you peace out quickly quickly hello

02:21:32.280 oh you're such a troll i love it anyways we like scoot over now because we hope so because i'm

02:21:38.600 fucking cramped brian's capping some content oh yeah anyways stop the gap stop the gap

02:21:47.720 film her brian now we've got establish your alpha male energy establish it brian total patriarchy

02:21:54.040 victory patriarchy wins once again we're back that's right all right well did you guys know

02:22:02.280 she was going to be like that uh that's kind of how she always acts it's fun to go back and forth

02:22:06.360 she have like a youtube channel or something uh she kind of streams sometimes but i don't know

02:22:11.320 maybe she'll get into it i'm not sure okay should have asked her that she's kind of redeemed that was

02:22:15.800 pretty like based and submissive how she just immediately was like oh men are telling me i

02:22:19.960 i would just not try to rationalize her shitty behavior whatsoever yo that was just shitty chat

02:22:25.480 please let us know are we back or what if we're back say we're back in all caps bro i'm thinking

02:22:31.880 we're back dude i think we're back yeah were you guys not back where did we go it was so over yeah

02:22:38.680 was it so over like in previous episodes or just in this one or what do you mean has there been like a

02:22:41.880 lull in content it's been over for about the past 30 minutes but currently we're back right yeah

02:22:48.600 that was a little cringe i have aids now i'm just like most of the whores that go on this show i

02:22:52.760 have fucking aids we were you should probably write everything you say like on a fucking like a piece

02:22:57.880 of work paper or something before you say it i just if if she didn't want to answer it look how bad we

02:23:05.880 are dude if she had just admitted that she felt ashamed or felt uncomfortable or some actual

02:23:11.480 reason for not giving an answer that would have been one thing but the constant like the questioning

02:23:16.120 back and forth yeah it's like it's not cool you're not edgy you're like was responded to with a

02:23:20.760 question it's every single one it's not acting like virginity isn't real is stupid she's probably

02:23:26.120 laughing out there like i can't believe it took them it's not edgy it's not cool when you're like

02:23:29.800 especially like people there's like a 50 chance yeah no exactly you know when when you have like

02:23:35.000 a whole show of like people who are like professional streamers like obviously destiny uh melina brian

02:23:40.360 myself you know like when you're like just being a dickhead to like fuck everything up and make bad

02:23:44.760 tv like it's just like a social faux pas in streamer land like you should like what are you doing and

02:23:49.000 like for she has to be on the show too no exactly and then like how does that make feminists look for

02:23:54.040 like the dour hard feminists at home who are like throwing their pillow against the wall right now

02:23:57.640 like i'll tell you what it is she has seen clips from the show she knows that brian's pretty good

02:24:02.920 at roasting feminists or girl like the hookup movement all that kind of stuff and she's like

02:24:06.680 hey i want to come on this show and throw a wrench in brian's gears and now she's going to go get banged

02:24:11.160 by fresh pretty bad faith um who was which one of you was it that messaged first was it you or was

02:24:17.320 it her i don't remember it was like a group message or something and then you insisted destiny also be on

02:24:22.520 the show yeah i i don't i don't remember what message first i remember there were back and

02:24:28.040 forth messages between us here tell you what throw your friends under the bus you're friends with her

02:24:31.960 right is she a virgin or she not a virgin i don't ask her listen you can't be a virgin

02:24:37.960 that insufferable like some guy made her like this some guy traumatized her and made her join the

02:24:44.040 feminist movement like that girl is probably really not a virgin you're probably like virgin women don't

02:24:49.080 have that fucking level insufferability calculated insufferability in them at all oh if you want to

02:24:54.760 know the conversation we had before coming on this podcast let's fucking yeah yeah do you want to do

02:25:00.520 you want to be a dickhead yes me too okay what was it because when we've gone on podcasts like this

02:25:05.560 before and they were always like oh like what's your body count what have you done i didn't ask body

02:25:09.720 how you died i asked a very like basic question yeah i'm not disagreeing with you i'm just trying to

02:25:15.000 explain what might have been going on like behind like the mentality right um it's always followed

02:25:21.160 up either by like you're a liar or you're like a whore or like you know you're not here not here like

02:25:27.560 if a girl says i'm this i i unless it's like a safe space i don't know because when i said i was a

02:25:32.680 virgin a lot of people did say i was lying to be fair same with me i said i was a virgin people in the

02:25:37.560 chat a lot of comments yeah and the bombardment of hate afterwards no matter what i don't care

02:25:43.880 because i know that it's true that's the chat we're here we're here and i very rarely make it

02:25:49.960 a point to try to call cap on chicks occasionally i do where i'm like like the chick who was on who

02:25:55.160 was on drugs like bro i called cap on that i'm curious in that case if you um if someone was like i

02:25:59.560 can answer but i want them to be muted would you do that what do you mean would you meet this stream

02:26:04.520 like i'll answer but i don't want to stream i don't want to hear it yeah that might be so dumb

02:26:10.840 to do that though i mean if like nine people at a table everybody's gonna know you came on this

02:26:15.800 show to answer questions like that well if i i do want i do want to say one thing in the show too

02:26:20.920 so it's like i do i do want to say one thing you three have been very good faith the whole

02:26:24.920 conversation i appreciate that she managed to achieve through her behavior a unique combination of

02:26:29.800 having like the panel and the audience dislike her like if she had just been honest maybe the chat

02:26:34.360 would have roasted but we would be like fair enough she like managed to do both until she

02:26:38.120 opened her mouth honest to god i'm not gay or anything she had nice uh but i think we should

02:26:45.000 keep talking about aaron i really like this topic it's great she's still here with us like mentality

02:26:51.800 the spirits are still here yeah i think you two were in on this no to be clear i they so they're

02:26:57.480 friends with you no no we are all friends we all drove here together you um we were gonna do a

02:27:02.680 show i think like a month ago we had planned we were gonna do a show when i was here doing i did

02:27:09.160 like five shows with no i we were gonna do a show and it didn't end up working out because i couldn't

02:27:13.320 drive up or something happened or you guys didn't it was last minute yeah and then they talked about

02:27:17.480 doing a show and then they messaged me and then you guys reach out to me and then you guys reach out

02:27:21.000 to melina like independently of anything because i didn't know until afterwards she's like oh i'm going

02:27:24.440 on the same show you're on i'm like okay and we were like okay but to be clear just because i want to

02:27:28.520 to be clear i would never make plans like with a show because it hurts my reputation i would never

02:27:31.960 do that i just want to say dm dating super chat that's my boyfriend yo your boyfriend's killing

02:27:37.240 it right now it's a super chat he said she absolutely embodied what feminism turns women

02:27:41.400 into every toxically feminine trait gaslighting projection emotional manipulation delivered through

02:27:46.840 overtly combative masculine energy this is extremely common what's up can we please have him on the

02:27:52.360 show oh yeah let's talk we'll talk after the show yeah dm dating nailed it bro yeah i've also i've

02:27:59.720 also experienced like girls girls will get burned by a guy in a relationship and then like that will

02:28:04.840 turn them into like extremely intense rabid feminists i mean guys get burned by girls and

02:28:10.200 they create the red pill movement yeah that's where they came from right yeah 100 yeah there's a lot of

02:28:14.760 hurt people i think that i think that a lot of politics is literally defined by a who hurt you there's

02:28:19.320 a lot of communists out there that came from like traditional religious families and there's a lot

02:28:23.240 of like super tradcon people that came from like parents that they weren't happy with who were too

02:28:26.600 progressive whatever like i think that's a good point yeah if you look at like culturally like where

02:28:30.440 we're at today like you kind of see like this resurgence in like religiosity a little bit a lot of

02:28:34.600 people pushing towards like islam even more traditional than like christian stuff and i think a lot of

02:28:38.120 that has been in response to the past like 10 or 15 years of like fuck religion like when i was on

02:28:41.480 the internet how old are you 28 okay i'm 34 like 10 years ago 13 years on the internet the really popular

02:28:47.160 thing was being an atheist and like shitting on religious people but that was in response to

02:28:50.680 like the 90s and the 2000s and like people like having that religious fight versus like the new

02:28:54.440 coming like metrosexuals and the rappers and everything so like i think a lot of like politics

02:28:57.880 and social media was like push pull push pull push pull like it just yeah it's a pendulum swing yeah

02:29:01.160 yeah i think everybody is i tried to keep that in mind a lot but it's very hard not to fall captive

02:29:05.000 to that right if you're getting attacked by one group of people today on twitter tomorrow you want

02:29:08.200 to make them like the main target you know so good point did you think she had like a

02:29:13.160 is there like a gangbang or something like a gangbang consensual i think there are tons of

02:29:18.840 things that can make people upset that have nothing to do with sex or anything okay i've

02:29:21.800 seen virgins that act like that i've seen people that have been ran through that actually i've seen

02:29:25.480 men and women that act like that i've seen there's tons of people no not not because of that but okay

02:29:29.160 let's i got a couple let's ask the spicy question which what we haven't asked one yet no no no it's

02:29:36.360 just for it's for disney so destiny why do you hate andrew tate why do i hate andrew tate um

02:29:43.000 one is because i don't like the message he sells people too which is what's the message

02:29:46.520 um i i wish that we could sell self-improvement without making everything so narrow in scope

02:29:53.160 like there are so many different paths to success and to be fair i've seen him give kind of

02:29:56.600 contradictory messages on this i saw him have a conversation with sneko for instance where he

02:30:00.280 was very open about like it's not every man's life journey to become like the ceo of a major company

02:30:05.320 some people need to be plumbers whatever which is good but then in other videos it always feels like

02:30:08.360 the markers for success are the most materialistic like bankrupt like spiritually bankrupt things in

02:30:13.560 the world you know right um and that that bothers me and then two assuming that he's not lying about

02:30:18.280 everything he said online he's undoubtedly a sex trafficker which i think is kind of shitty so

02:30:22.360 but there is the chance that he got to back that up we don't have a conviction that's a big

02:30:26.360 talk about it all yeah all night that's a big accusation that's a huge accusation that's a huge

02:30:30.280 accusation sure yeah i mean he's yeah he's been he's been investigated by the authorities and they

02:30:35.640 didn't find any he's still under investigation that's not wait wait to be clear it's not sure

02:30:39.240 they didn't find any evidence they found enough evidence to continue to detain him while they

02:30:42.360 finished their investigation to be clear fair or is that true that is true that's what's going on

02:30:46.360 in romania number one number two plenty of people have done crimes that get away with it and don't

02:30:51.000 get convicted which is fine now ordinarily i wouldn't say back up what what was the evidence

02:30:55.320 that they found that justified continually no it's not publicly stated yet don't believe it's

02:30:59.160 public yet because that's part of the investigative process right so they've had to show stuff

02:31:02.120 to a panel of judges and they have to make the decision do we think you have enough

02:31:05.320 here that there's likely to be charges coming at the end of it and so far in romania the court

02:31:09.080 system has said yes we do believe that to be the case and i think they've got three months left to

02:31:12.840 finally press charges and if they don't then the charges are dropped or the case is dropped and he's

02:31:16.600 free don't they only have like one or two they might have one or two months i don't know i think

02:31:19.400 it's in december madison do you want to so no let me ask can i want to actually madison just stay

02:31:23.800 there can i build on something that with him so what what is um what is the overarching message of

02:31:32.600 andrew tate that you don't support i wish that when we talked about delivering like purpose to

02:31:39.960 young men it wasn't wrapped up in such a materialistic package i agree it feels like

02:31:44.520 that's what's led to a lot of like if so i'm a big capitalist i'm a big liberal but arguably one of the

02:31:50.360 largest criticisms you can launch at liberalism and capitalism is this hyper consumerist hyper

02:31:55.400 materialist mindset agree with you you need to buy the next iphone you need to buy the next car

02:31:58.920 i really wish that like for andrew tate if you wanted to sell this message of becoming like a

02:32:02.680 fulfilling person like show yourself working and doing honorable things yeah show yourself having a

02:32:06.920 virtuous life right show yourself building a real business not doing like cam girls and getting

02:32:11.240 rich that way or not doing casinos show yourself having like a virtuous life not bragging you've got

02:32:15.160 20 girlfriends show yourself like engaged in virtuous activities that people can embody that can be the

02:32:19.880 embodiment of what young men should pursue rather than constantly bragging about how many cars and women

02:32:23.720 and all that you have so that's a that's a great point i totally agree with that and a follow-up

02:32:27.880 question i have is like part of andrew tate's appeal is he's speaking authoritatively about all

02:32:32.600 these different things when it comes to masculinity the way the world works so on and so forth and

02:32:36.200 there's a lot of people that are doing that online but andrew tate is all is constantly flashing his

02:32:41.080 wealth his cars his houses the girls he's with so on and so forth how can someone get to that place

02:32:47.480 where they're influential like he is and garner that interest from an audience the way that he did

02:32:52.680 without flashing all those materialistic things i think you can do it but i think a lot of people don't

02:32:56.680 try the reality is is that andrew tate is a really funny guy he's very charismatic he's very charming

02:33:02.520 and he can do a lot of really funny content he's done a lot of the video where his brother is like

02:33:06.360 i'm gonna break the red bull record i don't know if you guys have seen that well yeah the one where

02:33:10.280 he was saying he was gonna make megan markle make him some chicken sure yeah there's like i haven't

02:33:14.040 seen that one so i don't want to co-sign that there's so many videos that he's done that are really funny i

02:33:18.520 think he probably could have gotten relatively big doing that but the problem is that um you're making a deal with

02:33:25.080 the devil when you say i'm going to sell my soul a little bit to gain some level of popularity

02:33:31.000 because what happens is on your journey to becoming that person that's getting popular enough to sell

02:33:35.560 the message you want to sell the message is going to get lost because at the end of the day when i look

02:33:39.720 at andrew tate and i'm talking to a young man well how do you want to be successful i want to be

02:33:42.840 successful like andrew tate what do you have to do you've got to start a camp business and do gambling

02:33:46.280 and sell alcohol and drugs and shit right because that's essentially like what his whole business

02:33:49.640 revolved around was like casino stuff working with mob people and then doing like cam girl stuff and so what kind of

02:33:54.200 message are you actually selling right to young boys saying that's the path to success so in his

02:33:59.480 defense he was doing the hustlers university which was 18 modern wealth creation methods which was like

02:34:05.000 copywriting drop shipping but that's after he made his fortune it was after he made his fortune so what's

02:34:09.640 the what's the message so so i agree but that's like during his upwards like you know i think it was

02:34:14.280 during uh summer of last year during his meteoric rise he was constantly saying like you know join

02:34:19.320 hustlers or university where you can find these 18 modern wealth creating methods so i understand

02:34:24.600 that you're saying like because you have to factor in some things too like he was saying those things

02:34:28.680 intentionally knowing that they were inflammatory in order to go viral which is part i mean you're

02:34:33.320 streaming you know this is part of the game right so this is what you have to be really careful about

02:34:36.920 and something i think about a lot too like i said you you're trading parts of your soul every time

02:34:41.640 you're trying to achieve a certain level of fame and if you've traded away too many parts there's not

02:34:45.400 enough of you left to sell the message at the end there are things that you can do to achieve a

02:34:49.160 level of fame to enact a good message but if you've sold away too many parts of yourself to get there

02:34:53.880 you kind of lose the ability to sell the message at that point right yeah and i agree with you on

02:34:58.120 that statement too in regards to that but i don't necessarily think he was saying like sure one of

02:35:03.560 the modern 18th you know wealth creation methods was start a cam business right manage your girls

02:35:09.080 only fans he went viral for saying he had before hustlers university there was the phd in

02:35:14.360 trafficking women basically well i mean i got a lot i mean i don't think and then when him and

02:35:20.200 tristan are openly bragging about like oh this is how we get these men and we make them come back

02:35:24.040 every time by scamming them right cam girls like so that's also a cultural norm in romania like

02:35:29.240 absolutely is not well i mean sorry not cultural norm but in the sense like it's commonly known as

02:35:34.360 the lover boy method to like get these girls women from western europe and to bring them over and do

02:35:39.560 shit i wasn't talking about that but like um you know just in general like getting girls like you

02:35:44.440 and then also like fleecing pathetic men who are coming through sure you know these chat groups what's

02:35:50.520 your point the the point i'm trying to make is that he is not necessarily saying that that was the primary

02:35:55.800 and only way to become this high value man but it was one of the 18 yeah but i don't think he's ever

02:36:02.280 like disavowed the point the point like usually when rappers usually like if rappers get big i think

02:36:07.640 that generally they're not going to say like i'm really glad i sold drugs to get here right they're

02:36:11.160 not telling kids like listen fair enough crack and one day you can be a rapper right usually like well

02:36:14.840 we shouldn't have been involved in that we shouldn't have uh you know like been doing these things as

02:36:18.360 kids like there were other options that we just didn't yeah fair play fair play so um on this subject

02:36:23.400 i'm kind of hearing from you that it sounds like you're saying andrew tate was filling a niche

02:36:28.040 imperfectly so because of all the you know immoral things that he did to get there he's filling a

02:36:32.600 niche that a lot of men in the world need in terms of teaching them how to become successful how to

02:36:37.480 like climb you know the the ladder in life so to speak do you think do you see there being a void

02:36:43.800 in the world in terms of like righteous masculine leadership that like more men need to step up to

02:36:47.720 the plate and fill is that something you think is important i think the issue is we've spent like

02:36:51.240 the past like 20 20 years especially i say that probably recentism because i'm young but like we've

02:36:56.120 spent a lot of time building up women in a lot of really phenomenal ways and women have made a ton

02:37:00.120 of progress in terms of education in terms of earning potential in terms of like control over

02:37:04.040 their lives that i think has been really phenomenal but again and andrew tate is it does this as well and

02:37:09.640 and feminists people on the left do this it feels like we can never fucking have anything without

02:37:13.080 demonizing the other side so a lot of the gains that women made not physically are at the expense of

02:37:17.960 men but the very least socially they're at the expense of men men are rapists men are pigs men are dogs

02:37:21.880 blah blah blah blah blah fuck men and what that's created is made this weird world where now

02:37:25.960 in some places women are starting to dramatically outpace men in college it's getting insane yeah

02:37:31.000 i think that college education is like more unequal in favor of women than it was in favor of men like

02:37:35.960 and now we can't even have the conversation of like what do we do about men no because in some ways

02:37:40.920 that patriarchy thing that we mentioned earlier there are aspects of patriarchy that still carry

02:37:44.200 over for instance a man is expected to provide for his household well what happened in the pandemic

02:37:47.960 even more men dropped out of school to provide for their households but women continue their education

02:37:51.720 and at some point that's going to reverse uh like women's earning potential are we ever going to be

02:37:56.520 able to talk about like hey i think we actually do need some representation for men it's not just

02:38:00.120 enough to expect them to rise up and overcome everything on their own and we've had a really

02:38:03.400 hard time doing that if i may follow up sorry i cut you off like three times i just want to finish

02:38:07.400 you're good man you're gucci i love you follow-up question um so you're saying you know in the effort

02:38:13.320 to elevate women throughout society men have been largely left behind in a lot of ways what do you think is

02:38:18.600 the message that a lot of men should be hearing in the world what can we do to support men um oh

02:38:23.960 man here we go um okay i got my prescription whenever you yeah that's fine okay yeah so this

02:38:28.280 is where i'll fight against a lot of like the red pill spaces right so i think that the the number one

02:38:32.440 explainer for women's success is women historically have been very feminine because they're females and

02:38:37.560 biology and blah blah blah blah blah one of the things that women have done over the past like few

02:38:40.520 decades is they've incorporated successfully a lot of aspects of masculinity into their character that we

02:38:45.480 previously thought weren't possible we didn't think that women would excel at school we didn't think that

02:38:48.280 women could participate in certain stem fields we didn't think that women could start to make all

02:38:51.880 the gains in a lot of these peripheral industries if they started to um and for a lot of places where

02:38:55.560 they have right so places like being um like lawyers and stuff not necessarily in stem although that's

02:39:00.040 starting um so as that's happened as women have made those gains in masculinity we're kind of like

02:39:04.760 looking at men men have basically they they're kind of still masculine but we haven't worked on kind of

02:39:11.480 like rounding out like how men navigate the world at all which would probably be the incorporation of some

02:39:16.040 feminine features so being emotionally intelligent being able to communicate with people on a better

02:39:19.320 level having some level of like measure control of themselves um probably decrease the suicide rates

02:39:24.040 among men potentially yes so so what we've done is we've kind of like shit on men completely so the

02:39:28.520 left will say like fuck men figure it out and then the red pill comes in and it's like you need to be

02:39:32.120 even more masculine but it's like the reality is 50 60 70 years ago if you wanted a wife all you needed

02:39:37.480 was a paycheck because she's not going to school she's not working now that they're going to school and

02:39:40.840 working you got to have more what's the value proposition for a woman to get into a

02:39:44.600 relationship it can't just be that you have a job anymore yes i just wanted to add yeah you're

02:39:48.200 absolutely right i do think that men are like i don't want to say oppressed but yeah pretty much

02:39:53.640 nowadays they are like you see people saying men ain't shit men ain't that and you wonder why the

02:39:58.280 suicide rates are so high because we don't give the same amount of support to men as we do to women

02:40:02.440 there's women support groups there's women this women that but we need to focus on men as well

02:40:07.000 that's true but arguably one of the one of the impediments to bring up the patriarchy thing

02:40:11.080 one of the impediments to that i think is this idea of like what is an ideal man or what is a

02:40:15.000 man supposed to be because suicide rates for men have always been high yeah but so have things like

02:40:18.760 violent crime rates so things like homicide rates so things like incarceration rates and it's not just

02:40:22.440 because the judges are unfair in some cases they are because men are the ones that are out in the

02:40:26.120 streets like getting work done when shit is falling apart i think andrew tate is a response too because

02:40:30.200 i agree 100 he's a thousand percent like that's why like during world war ii like everybody suddenly voted

02:40:35.480 someone into power right because he was fucking very extreme on the other side of things so i think

02:40:41.560 he's just representing a gigantic vacuum that's needed because i left america in 2012 right i haven't

02:40:49.240 lived here consistently since like you know i i lived here for like 11 months 2016 and i saw enough writing

02:40:55.400 on the wall to get the fuck out of here but when i come back to america it's just like consistently this

02:41:01.160 like how can we put more accountability on men and how can we take more accountability away from

02:41:07.000 women and then like the mainstream media the music the video games like you're in the gaming industry

02:41:11.960 too you know like everything is just like piling on to shit on men and like endlessly jerk off women

02:41:18.440 and guys kind of just like all right like it's kind of gotten to this point where it's fucking ridiculous

02:41:22.840 like guys absolutely have issues too but men are just not going to sit around and cry and feel sorry

02:41:27.800 for themselves but women will nine times out of ten they will do that you know i mean men

02:41:31.080 do that too they will but i agree with you but there's not a social stigma around men crying

02:41:36.440 about the bullshit in their life sometimes they're crying they just kill themselves i want to fair

02:41:39.720 play compared to women you know what i mean so that's why i think this tate thing is like a

02:41:43.320 it's a giant pendulum swing backwards but the only the only the only the only issue

02:41:47.320 jonathan and steven i want to get back to the original question asking in terms of your

02:41:50.920 prescription to help support men better in our society so we can restore male greatness i know and i

02:41:55.640 also want to hear from john on this too we can go steven john and then john you mentioned

02:42:00.920 you mentioned better better emotional tools for men um you also meant mentioned uh men

02:42:07.560 it needs to be clarified what men are bringing to the table beyond just a paycheck because now that

02:42:12.120 we're past the 1950s as you were saying that's not enough of a value proposition so that needs

02:42:15.880 to be clarified what else would you say needs to be added to the equation to best support i feel like

02:42:20.840 the spaces that are designed right now for men i'll broadly say like the manosphere are not doing a

02:42:25.880 good job so the only space if you are a man and you're looking for support and then you come to

02:42:29.160 these spaces personally i feel like they give like some of the worst advice in terms of like how to

02:42:33.480 succeed right um i'm gonna be really cringe here and i'm gonna borrow from uh ben shapiro i think

02:42:38.840 he has like three beta not a high value man yeah i think he has three classic points for have at least

02:42:44.040 escaping poverty i believe one is don't have a kid before you're married i think two is graduate high

02:42:49.320 school um and i think three was get a job wasn't it was that number three but these are like really

02:42:54.280 really common sense indicators yeah um and i feel like so for instance when i come to red pill spaces

02:42:57.880 something that's really um in my opinion really sad is the constant shunning of like college and and

02:43:03.960 higher education yeah because that is the when you look at all of the um successful people i don't

02:43:10.280 know if i can say it uh but like in in these red pill spaces there's a lot of like wealthy controllers

02:43:14.920 of society that people like oh these guys were on everything they're doing everything blah blah

02:43:17.880 blah and then it's like okay well fine let's say they do that well what do they do with their kids

02:43:21.720 their kids are like a guy whose name is goldstein he's not training his kid to be the best drop

02:43:26.120 shipper okay he's not training his kid to get into crypto he's sending his kid to the best

02:43:29.960 fucking universities in the world to get a high quality education to graduate and do

02:43:32.920 shit with his life and it feels like in these spaces demonize the fuck out of college education

02:43:37.640 now if you want to say that there are things like apprenticeships are going into trades which is good i

02:43:41.320 fully agree with that 100 but oh my god if there's like one piece of advice i can impart that you

02:43:45.720 would care that a blue-haired cuck would tell you online if you're a man you're trying to make

02:43:48.600 it in the world you're way better off becoming an electrician or a plumber if you don't want to go

02:43:52.200 to college because fuck school i flunked out of school okay i understand fuck school okay why

02:43:56.120 quit school right um if you want to do that at least pick up a trade don't try to make it in this

02:43:59.800 fucking crypto drop shipping world because you're not gonna make it based based recommendation of the

02:44:03.880 trades give me some i i learned a couple years ago that like if somebody if a young guy wants to

02:44:08.200 get into welding for example he can be making over 120 000 a year two years from from yeah from the

02:44:13.480 start of his education two years into it he can be making six figures yeah and like there's not

02:44:18.680 enough of that being preached so i completely don't see and the problem too is that when it comes to

02:44:22.440 crypto you can see all the winners you don't see all the losers which are huge like 90 plus and

02:44:29.000 even a lot of the winners eventually become losers yeah did you ever see i don't want to call

02:44:32.600 anybody in particular i'm so sorry but like do you remember um do you remember um

02:44:35.480 do you remember when boogie 2988 yeah yeah yeah he made a video about how happy was it a huge

02:44:39.960 crypto investment paid off was it two months or was it a year later or whatever he's like guys

02:44:44.280 listen up i'm selling the tesla because my shit got fucked yeah yeah yeah i think it doesn't help

02:44:49.720 that well i love andrew hold on hold on he's been waiting to speak i want to go to john and john

02:44:53.880 so yeah no my thing is i run something called the masculine empowerment network right m-e-n and so i

02:44:58.920 tell guys like it's a good name the general you know the rule of life that a man should focus on

02:45:05.240 i call the core four which is make money make muscles learn game and hold frame that's my

02:45:10.840 prescription i know like you know you don't like the general red pill prescription i'm like the red

02:45:15.000 pills kind of like adopted me as their one of their spokespeople but i'm just my own thing and i will

02:45:20.600 say to the red pill community too which camera is it this one this one i don't know that one that

02:45:25.880 that one right there so i will say this in destiny's defense guys for you guys that are red

02:45:29.800 pill and jumping on destiny's fucking you know back for bullshit he's his own man he's made his

02:45:35.480 own money and he's decided to live his own way of life if that's not red pill i don't know what the

02:45:39.960 fuck to say it is because he's not like a slave to the system you know he has his own things and that

02:45:44.120 you guys have to learn to like be okay with encountering people in life who don't agree with the

02:45:51.240 way you live and i think like you know it's pretty obvious like you're clearly you know if you were

02:45:56.120 to categorize it like a high value man like objectively speaking i mean just like just yeah no no no no i

02:46:01.240 know i'm not i'm not i'm talking to the chat not you you already know this you know but like multiple

02:46:06.360 women having you know autonomy you know having a good amount of financial income so anyways going

02:46:11.560 back to think my thing is just simply this i tell guys i tell them the exact same thing you say i say

02:46:15.720 make money which is have a career or skill that will ideally lead you to six figures at some point

02:46:22.520 down the road within five to seven years make muscles which is basically just don't be fat i

02:46:27.000 mean everybody in america is so fucking fat blows my mind every time i come back here don't be fat

02:46:31.000 don't be lift you're telling your men to bro and also even chase can we see the tries walk 30 minutes

02:46:35.880 a day anything to get you out of your house so right which but but the general message is don't be

02:46:40.760 fat which is not okay because biologically speaking that's just terrible for you right sure learn game is

02:46:45.480 just understanding the difference between a good woman who is like genuinely interested in you and

02:46:50.280 a woman who has you know other ulterior motives for you which and now today but that those are very you

02:46:56.600 know common and then hold frame which is basically a guy needs to understand the concept of boundaries

02:47:02.440 because i think a lot of men and women don't have an idea of the counts concept of boundaries i found

02:47:08.280 out about the concept of boundaries when i was 35 i'm 37 now and i wish i could understand what boundaries

02:47:14.120 war and then more importantly the enforcement of those boundaries as well so that's what i tell

02:47:18.600 guys to focus on the core for make money make muscles learn game hold frame money muscles game

02:47:23.080 frame that's my prescription i don't know if you disagree with it but that's my solution that i run

02:47:28.280 for this because i have a lot of guys too i have people within the masculine empowerment network that

02:47:32.360 teach these guys how to code teach these guys how to get jobs in cyber security teach them about like

02:47:37.240 you know there are viable options in the trades like for example power alignment like within 10 years like

02:47:42.600 america is going to be really fucking shit out of luck when it comes to power alignment now these

02:47:46.920 jobs can get you up to 200 000 power alignment power linemen these are the guys who climb the power

02:47:51.560 linemen power line dude's taking care of the power lines exactly you know and these jobs can get you

02:47:55.800 to 200 000 with under five years you know what i mean because this whole influencer bullshit like

02:48:00.040 i'm a creator i'm this i'm a crypto millionaire no you're not people will say like the west is

02:48:05.320 falling and like every kid wants to be a youtuber and you're like don't be a youtuber be a drop

02:48:08.280 zipper yeah exactly so like do you like from one of the i know it's a very tldr prescription i give

02:48:13.320 you but you know that's my perspective on yeah sure so like i would agree with the four but we're

02:48:17.320 probably going to fight is like what you mean by three and four like learn game hold frame are going

02:48:20.920 to be the things that we just so like for instance when you talk about like the importance of boundaries

02:48:23.800 um i would and i want to go back and forth too much because i know you want to say something um i would

02:48:27.080 argue that like a boundary that i would consider to be very strange um is like the the big push in some

02:48:32.120 of these spaces for like one-sided open relationships yeah that seems like something that it's like i don't

02:48:35.720 think i would ever advocate for my audience to try to pursue something but you do realize there are

02:48:39.000 women that are okay with that um i mean there are men that are okay getting fucked in the ass but we

02:48:42.760 wouldn't say that like everybody should be homosexual right well i mean i'm just saying a boundary is a

02:48:45.640 boundary a boundary is a boundary and i'm just saying that i don't think those sort of relationship is

02:48:49.880 going to be successful in most cases what is that i don't think those sort of relationships is going

02:48:53.800 to be successful in those but the really i mean it's going to have a higher success relationship

02:48:58.680 than being in an open relationship because open relationships especially when the woman is out there

02:49:02.920 sleeping around have a 92 failure rate yeah but what is the failure rate for one-ended over

02:49:06.920 relationships i don't know yeah probably really i don't know but i but i will say men have been

02:49:12.520 doing that a lot since the beginning beginning of that time maybe they should be ashamed of it at least

02:49:17.480 what wait it's a one-sided open relationship maybe it should be like something considered shameful

02:49:23.000 and not something that's promoted yeah i i just yeah the the my biggest issue and this is maybe my

02:49:28.920 feminist coming out is um i think a big issue today is asymmetry in relationships pushing for

02:49:33.640 asymmetry if you're a woman yeah if you're if you can't do things like you let's say that you say

02:49:38.760 i'm not okay with an open relationship on just your side and i say okay i'm gonna like is i'm gonna dump

02:49:43.160 you and she doesn't have a job she doesn't have like any stability and she she feels like hyper

02:49:47.400 extreme i don't think i feel like people are not going to get in a relationship like and then kind

02:49:51.640 of disclose that later after they're married and she's fully dependent on the guy she's quit her job

02:49:56.920 it seems to bring things well also to bring things around though that's one of the issues

02:50:00.840 is what tate kind of did right is i love you come to romania we're going to get married we're going

02:50:05.080 to be a couple we're going to do things and then i know you want to comment up i'm saying that was

02:50:08.040 i don't i'm not a big fan of telling a woman to move to another country and quit her job and be

02:50:13.000 fully dependent on me in a manipulative standpoint i don't do that i just wanted to say like i'm not

02:50:18.200 trying to be a pick me but i'm just saying that as a woman i do want to support a man no matter what

02:50:23.560 like no matter what he chooses to do whether it be drop shipping as unsuccessful as he might be i

02:50:27.640 want to be there every step of the way however i do think that people should also like women

02:50:31.800 themselves should try to get jobs to help support the family to help support everyone else because

02:50:36.200 you don't want to end up like you're saying like how tate is just bringing women in and then like

02:50:40.360 you just dumps them and then they have nothing to do a lot of these men kind of want to have like

02:50:43.960 a wife at home with kids that's taking care of the kids like full-time yeah but at the same

02:50:47.800 time there's like no space to have a job at the same time taking care of the kids and taking in the man

02:50:51.400 man does involve trying to find financial stuff for yourself trying to fund it trying to like

02:50:55.560 make you know money make a living for it i think this should be like equal which when it comes to

02:51:00.520 working stuff john what do we need to do to make men great again tell us how jesus is the path to

02:51:08.520 salvation there's uh there's a lot there i think you know we've spoken a lot this evening about this

02:51:12.920 idea of progress particularly with women i think that the word connotes good but i don't think it's

02:51:17.880 been good i mean the woman or i should say maybe the profile of the person in this country who is

02:51:22.200 supposedly um she who has benefited the most from all the liberation and progress that women have

02:51:26.680 made would probably be like you know a single working woman middle-aged with no children she's

02:51:31.080 been liberated from you know the constraints of biology be that her bearing children she's been

02:51:35.480 liberated from the constraints of a husband having to provide for her she's a career woman she's working

02:51:39.880 she doesn't need all that you know no need for a man or anything like that but that also happens to be

02:51:43.800 the profile of the person in this country who's the most likely to be taking ssris and i think there's

02:51:47.960 something to be said about that i also think that it's easier for women to adapt to like steven said

02:51:52.680 more masculine uh aspects of society because they're naturally because of biology more agreeable and more

02:51:57.800 socialized so i think it's easier to fit them into that framework i don't think you can do the same with

02:52:01.240 men if you look at like the suicide rates with men for example they're the highest they've ever been

02:52:05.320 broadly speaking but we don't enforce those standards of masculinity like we would have in the 1950s for

02:52:10.040 example where probably you had the strictest enforcement of those ideas of like what a man

02:52:14.040 should be how he should act things like that but men weren't killing themselves at the race that they

02:52:17.960 are now so i think that and i'm probably i think the youngest guy here i'm 23 i remember being in

02:52:22.680 elementary school they started bringing guidance counselors there was all this talk about boys

02:52:26.360 needing to express their feelings more boys need to do this you see it everywhere throughout society

02:52:30.520 but for some reason that doesn't quite catch on but when someone comes along like an andrew tate who i

02:52:34.840 agree with pretty much everything you said about him or even like a jordan peterson who basically took

02:52:38.920 fatherly advice and and delivered it through a lens of like union psychology it's like this

02:52:43.240 rapid organic popularity people literally go to like jordan peterson events with like tears in their

02:52:47.480 eyes thanking this guy for telling them how to basically like be a vaguely responsible man so i

02:52:52.520 don't think the answer is to take men and make them more androgynous and maybe adapt to a more

02:52:56.680 androgynous frame of society i think you need to make men be men again and resultantly i think women

02:53:01.000 need to be like women again because i don't think women are happy i don't think men are happy and i

02:53:05.080 don't think that they experience depression the same way women tend to experience depression in a

02:53:09.320 much more environmental sense meaning they are directly affected by their environment if they're

02:53:13.640 unhappy i think that makes them depressed men experience depression when there's no way out

02:53:17.720 of that environment i think that we are perfectly okay with going through something but if we don't

02:53:21.320 see a way out because of all the progress that women have made we've had to tilt the scale so you

02:53:25.320 guys have a greater advantage in pretty much every aspect of life and men just don't see that light

02:53:29.320 at the end of the tunnel that's why we just kill ourselves that's why you know the common thing is like well

02:53:33.560 yeah men are more likely to kill themselves but women are more likely to attempt it okay well why

02:53:37.720 would that be because women are like i'm upset and men are just like yeah i'm not going to get

02:53:41.560 out of this and they like blow their head off or something um i think that speaks to the differences

02:53:45.400 in our like natural predispositions as men and as women and i think that we need to acknowledge

02:53:49.480 that for what it is and restore what would be considered a more traditional set of gender roles

02:53:54.040 in society i think so real just real quick i the issue that i have with that without even getting

02:53:58.360 into the pros and cons of everything is everything you've said will never come to fruition this is my

02:54:01.960 biggest issue with you you have little faith the problem is that you're never getting rid of you're

02:54:05.880 never getting rid of birth control because women don't want to go back to that and most men probably

02:54:09.960 wouldn't even accept that and you're never taking women out of the workforce and education right for

02:54:13.560 as much as you talk about like traditional stuff has only benefited like the miserable middle-aged woman

02:54:17.880 the woman to your left that's working on tim pool show has largely benefited from feminism

02:54:20.840 because women are taken seriously in terms of political opinions even at young ages so i mean like

02:54:24.200 i don't think we're ever going back to a world where like women don't have reproductive control and women

02:54:28.520 aren't allowed to go to school and they work i i would agree with you i think if i shared your

02:54:32.040 worldview in that you seem to have a much more positive or maybe optimistic view of like where

02:54:36.600 our country is headed where i'm sure those of us on this side of the table think like collapse is

02:54:40.120 imminent so i think that if and when that happens which i don't think a collapse would happen in

02:54:43.320 the way that people like to fantasize about where there's like civil war and yeah like who would

02:54:46.600 you model ourselves after like you think's doing better than us right now i think that

02:54:49.880 it's going to reach a point where really come on sorry go ahead i was just gonna say i think it'll reach a

02:54:55.560 point where the cultural entropy will reach a state where people want to do away with these

02:55:00.040 ideas like you mentioned for example things are going like pretty well if our biggest problem is

02:55:03.240 that like men want to use the women's restroom or vice versa i think that things get a lot worse

02:55:06.920 than that where those problems would be abandoned and we return to tradition so to speak but i do

02:55:10.760 think it is a very real problem because yeah it's one thing if like a guy wants to use a girl's bathroom

02:55:14.840 but that is like one facet of the whole issue which is like we are redefining you know sex and gender

02:55:19.960 and maybe russia is a crappy country but their descendants are still going to be russians and they're still

02:55:25.160 going to have you know access to normal children whereas in this country i might not be you know

02:55:30.040 facing a land war but i don't know that my children aren't going to be brainwashed by the popular

02:55:34.120 culture to mutilating their genitalia i certainly don't have my heritage anymore i certainly am not

02:55:38.360 able to be proud of my history so if i don't even have my future it's like is this really a great

02:55:42.040 country because i have reasonable access to like food sex entertainment like no i mean these countries

02:55:47.160 i think are better and i think this country produces awesome things like even today i think things

02:55:51.080 like this podcast are evidence of it russia's like heritage is like circle jerking themselves

02:55:55.560 over world war ii where they were the defenders against nazism they weren't even aggressors against

02:55:59.240 it right america is the country that ended and the west is largely who won against world war ii

02:56:03.080 against hitler the only reason the soviets killed so many people is because nazis tried to invade their

02:56:06.520 homeland i think i mean like when you look at like in russia no offense to russia economically that

02:56:11.880 country is not doing too well yeah socially that country has a ton of problems um because the empire

02:56:16.680 collapsed well yeah sure the empire collapsed and even internally like there are a ton of issues or

02:56:20.600 russia but like sure like putin can come out and give like what are really like even right-wing

02:56:25.000 american talking points of like you know the gays in the west are destroying everything and you know

02:56:28.600 the jokes in the beginning of the ukrainian war were literally like are your trans soldiers going

02:56:32.680 to be defeating our proud you know russian ethnic persons and now you've got like russian dudes who

02:56:36.360 are like committing suicides and ditches because now these trans russian soldiers are like flying

02:56:39.800 drones and dropping grenades on them right and i and i mean you've got like the archetypical like trans

02:56:44.120 ukrainian dropping fucking grenades on like two russians giving each other head in like a

02:56:47.640 fucking bunker somewhere and it's like what's actually happening here i don't disagree that

02:56:51.160 there are problems and listen okay i'll say it here i'm welcoming a little bit of a snapback on

02:56:56.120 some shit because there are some things in this country that are fucking insane okay yeah a lot

02:56:59.400 of the trans talk about really crazy everybody thinks you decide for the crazy stuff nobody thinks

02:57:03.480 that because i don't know casual views are casual but i'm literally banned on twitch permanently that i

02:57:07.800 streamed up for 12 years i love it i love it because i was against some of the trans athlete stuff

02:57:12.120 right and i got involved in but i'm just saying like so i'm not saying that a snapback is necessarily

02:57:16.040 wrong but like it's it's it's still moving in a certain direction women are never ever ever going

02:57:20.520 to give up everything they've got nobody wants to give up that much autonomy well you are presupposing

02:57:25.560 that we would ask them permission before we would well okay so maybe it's something okay sorry i think

02:57:30.120 women would literally like it would be if you want we took away your right to an abortion and you like cried

02:57:36.120 about it outside of buildings when the police like blocked you off and then you basically went back

02:57:40.120 to your life have you not seen the upsurge of like legislation and women getting like politically

02:57:43.480 active because of that it's like politicized nagging it's like this is not do you think if there

02:57:48.520 were a civil war between men and women women would absolutely win because there would be men that

02:57:54.520 would side with them in a civil war between men and women they're gonna kill all the women like

02:57:58.600 wait why we did it you'd have like all those men would be like women's suffrage

02:58:02.040 knock it off women's suffrage only happened because there were men that also wanted it right

02:58:05.720 like the majority class like men in general there's a huge talent pool there's a really interesting i

02:58:09.800 get a lot of emails about this sorry i don't want to fucking join us too much when it comes to like

02:58:12.280 crazy like weird like trans people and autistic people blah blah blah there's a lot of talent there

02:58:16.040 that has migrated to places like san francisco we make fun of it for being like the lgbt capital of

02:58:19.400 the world there's a lot of programmers and a lot of talent in that pool though because

02:58:22.680 demographically they're drawn to those types of jobs because a lot of times like if you can code you can

02:58:25.960 code they don't give a fuck if you have a dick or a vagina or if you use z's or pronouns whatever if

02:58:29.240 you can do the work you can do the work so i just the thing that i like about our western society to

02:58:32.840 bring it back is that like we have problems with how much diversity we push i agree but holy

02:58:37.640 shit we've been able to siphon so much fucking talent out of a lot of that diversity even angie

02:58:42.040 tate himself is to some extent a product of like a really globalized world that is connected to so

02:58:47.000 many different like ethnic and religious and cultural markets yeah i definitely want to hear more from

02:58:51.720 you but i do need to just keep things moving along here so okay we have a brock here with the 200 thank

02:58:56.360 you man chase proverbs five question mark question mark unfortunately i'm not able to pull it up but

02:59:01.400 i i have it on my phone people have spent like six or seven hundred dollars asking for me to read it

02:59:06.040 do you want me to read it what is it is it it's uh no it's not it is a a chapter in proverbs about

02:59:12.760 the uh adulterous woman it's a warning against adultery how is it long or i'll read a couple verses it

02:59:19.160 says my son pay attention to my wisdom turn your ear to my words of insight that you may maintain

02:59:25.080 discretion and your lips may preserve knowledge for the lips of the adulterous woman

02:59:32.200 drip honey and her speech is smoother than oil but in the end she is bitter as gall sharp as a

02:59:38.120 double-edged sword her feet go down to death her steps lead straight to the grave she gives no thought

02:59:44.840 to the way of life her paths wander aimlessly but she does not know it now there's a there's

02:59:50.040 this is pretty long bro there's a lot there's a lot rest left to it but i'll leave it at that okay

02:59:53.800 um yo i'll thank you for the hundred destiny and melina can you please give lex friedman my number

02:59:59.800 how is such a kind successful guy single is he lying um oh that'd be cool to have you should get him

03:00:05.800 here and ask him over and over again if he's a virgin i would love i would love to have lex on the

03:00:10.040 shout out because i i've heard him talk a little bit about dating stuff but anyways um we have uh

03:00:16.120 jeff raid maker let me see if i can pull this one up so it actually pops up on screen here

03:00:22.440 oh there's only one of them i'll pull up one of them and the other one i can't with respect to the

03:00:26.760 the two feminists have been difficult to listen to because they've been vague and pedantic destiny

03:00:31.080 you've been razor sharp and cool chase you're awesome bro above all all y'all loved and important

03:00:36.680 no matter what you know jeff thank you man appreciate it what does pedantic mean i will say

03:00:40.280 to pixie's credit she was much better than her friend also to my credit i've been in this for

03:00:44.680 like 12 years right yeah pixie do you want to fire back at them i mean i'm just trying my best

03:00:50.440 here like that's all i really want to say like i don't want to make you guys feel like i'm just

03:00:54.600 like trying to like disagree to disagree yeah you're fine you're fine we have brock here

03:00:58.920 he's also asking

03:01:00.680 okay you can't be insulting people all right hey hey i just want to say brock thanks thanks

03:01:07.400 for the super chat brock and thank you for encouraging some reading on the word on such

03:01:10.680 a large platform bro christ is my value woman okay and then we have uh jeff here unfortunately i won't

03:01:17.160 be able to make it pop up but with respect the feminist tag team wait he sent it twice oh he pulled

03:01:23.400 a destiny listen to because you've been vague destiny you are razor sharp in this convo and i've

03:01:28.120 appreciated you chase you're awesome and all of you are loved and important no matter what

03:01:32.600 thank god thank god okay it's like working guys everything all right now we have a ton of super

03:01:37.640 chats we got actually it's not too many uh let's try to get through them and do it brian you can do

03:01:42.280 it phone is fucking going off right now somebody's phone going off did you not hear that i heard

03:01:48.120 i don't hear it walking the wire thank you for the hundred dollars bro he said good to see destiny

03:01:52.600 the best debater on youtube on the panel also welcome back chase thank you walking the wire thank you

03:01:57.560 walking uh mike davis destiny destiny is the type to pull his pants all the way down at the urinal

03:02:03.800 brian you should be ashamed to give this beta cuck a platform instead of hoping podcast hopping is what

03:02:09.640 i'm going to say instead of hopping podcast to podcast have him hop in the ring with me i kick his

03:02:14.440 ass so bad his quote unquote girl will have to identify him by the way this is mike davis yeah that's

03:02:21.160 literally actually real is this a real looks like the kind of guy that wouldn't be interested in

03:02:25.080 melina because she's about 14 years too old for him what the fuck hey that's it's fired

03:02:31.560 also steven we already said you can't be reading those comments because these guys are jerking off

03:02:35.080 at the same time i like it i like it because it's like the sort of humiliation yeah they're edging

03:02:38.680 themselves waiting for it to come up on screen but that's not good mike davis is a long-term

03:02:42.200 supporter of our show that's good why is he such a cheap ass and he donates 99.99 instead of the

03:02:46.440 full hundred dollars that's a good question maybe if he's uh it's android versus iphone

03:02:51.320 oh isn't you keep hitting super chats yeah if you're on the bedo papa hanyan thank you for the

03:02:56.200 hundred bucks bro he said having chase and mary together and observing their energy and mindset

03:02:59.720 is like walking in heaven with adam and eve keep it up also mary do you have a sister no only brothers

03:03:05.000 all right we have uh thank you dj takvar here thank you man um brian been watching for a while

03:03:12.040 and i'm hooked i used to live in slo which is some city i don't know san luis obispo yeah but moved

03:03:17.320 to america for the is slo not in america where is that camifornia it's like an hour north of here okay

03:03:23.320 i used to live in slo which i guess but moved to america for the two-way rights hashtag camiformia

03:03:28.520 why did he move to california for second amendment rights love to see these dating dynamics nowadays

03:03:32.440 in california shout out chase uh mld mary put these clowns away i don't want to share our oxygen

03:03:39.000 with them you want to fire back at that yeah fire back destiny why is he living in california

03:03:43.800 because we're second amendment rights that's the real question that's weird good and by the way oh

03:03:47.960 he's saying he's saying he used to live in san luis obispo but he moved to real america for the

03:03:52.360 second amendment rights for this this one's for you destiny man trying to pinpoint it exactly but

03:03:58.840 there's something seriously wrong in the head with this destiny guy and the beard beside him

03:04:03.480 and then you have this wannabe greaseball mld what does mld mean that's right oh that's true okay

03:04:10.120 l panel chase you're a rose among thorns bring back the alphas waller and sterling hey thanks mike

03:04:17.320 davis appreciate that man waller kind of got dragged a little bit recently a little bit oh i saw those twitter

03:04:23.240 clips with the lady with but with leela he got dragged all over twitter oh no justin waller is

03:04:29.000 gonna be a okay viral clip or not all right we have uh on take thank you for the australian man

03:04:36.120 yo chase from the land down under we respect you you are the lord's warrior boy thanks mate appreciate

03:04:42.200 it bruv milky way moses thank you for the hundred man uh chase you want to read this one yeah he says

03:04:48.200 destiny and chase question you both give great advice thank you destiny i enjoy being my good

03:04:52.680 kind-hearted self during my degenerate life i got many women but now i'm better ish and they ignore

03:05:00.360 uh chase i'm tempted to go back to church how do you control sexual temptation do you want to address

03:05:05.080 his comment first don't control it um i think that sex is like alcohol video games whatever hobby you

03:05:11.320 partake in there are healthy ways to indulge in certain hobbies and there are unhealthy ways to indulge

03:05:15.960 right if talking to people hooking up with something that you enjoy just make sure you're

03:05:19.160 safe make sure you're not like throwing away your life to do it make sure that you're you know keeping

03:05:23.240 the rest of your life in order while you're pursuing those things same thing i would say with

03:05:26.280 drinking or gambling or anything else says he was also asking me here's what i'll tell you brother

03:05:34.040 the reason why i started being abstinent back in 2020 i saw the way that the world was going

03:05:38.440 it's my opinion that biblical prophecies are shaping up to be fulfilled right now and i i made the decision

03:05:43.160 to be abstinent to stop having sex with my girlfriend at the time because i knew it was a

03:05:47.720 sin against my own body against her body and against the lord and i also knew that i wanted

03:05:51.880 to secure god's favor over my life i wanted to honor god with my life and i wanted god to reward me in

03:05:57.080 turn for that and quite honestly he has man in spades so i would i would just encourage you seek to honor

03:06:03.000 the lord with your life pray to him for where it is that you want to go in life what it is that you want

03:06:07.560 jesus promised us in john chapter 15 if we pray for something in his name and it's to the father's

03:06:12.120 glory he will give it to us and you see throughout the bible there's a precedent when people seek to

03:06:17.160 honor the lord with their lives god is is much more likely to answer their prayers so that's what i would

03:06:21.560 tell you thank w for god can i add something hold on we got let's let's keep it moving mike davis is a

03:06:26.840 little blank on fnf talking trash and when they talk back he trends them in exposing but never does

03:06:31.400 that's some whack ish mike do better damn he's probably not in the chat anymore mike davis mike

03:06:36.920 davis i'll fight you in place of destiny i will fight you in place of destiny mike davis you got

03:06:41.480 to fire back at k on the s what did you want to add oh i just wanted to say like as someone who

03:06:46.120 does practice abstinence as a virgin i do agree because it's helped me weed a lot of bad people

03:06:50.440 out because like yes a lot of people have the wrong intentions when you first meet them and they

03:06:55.640 immediately want sex out of you and when you do that when you hook up with them like the first few

03:07:00.440 times you you know get with them it's like they already see that you're i mean there's pros and

03:07:06.520 cons to everything though right because i i would argue i probably have huge discrimination but i

03:07:10.360 would argue that like men that are hunting virgins sometimes they're looking for people that they can

03:07:13.720 exploit as well right yeah certainly yeah i think it's i do think it is good and i would argue um to

03:07:20.360 some men's chagrin i think that if you're a woman and you're looking for a serious relationship

03:07:24.760 how you treat sex has to be done in a very careful way because you because if you're

03:07:28.440 fucking a guy on the first date it's really hard to figure out like who's serious and who's just

03:07:31.320 like trying to play or whatever right like i'll hear some guys say like oh this chick didn't want

03:07:34.200 to fuck until the fifth or sixth date i'm fucking out of there and it's like okay well you were never

03:07:37.320 in her like dating pool anyway because that's not what you're looking for so i think that having

03:07:40.200 some reasonable access to sex is like okay if you're looking for something more serious for sure

03:07:43.800 you should probably build on that too on like how guys looking for conservative decent women

03:07:50.440 these women are not going to give it up on the first second or third date yeah but i don't think guys

03:07:54.680 here are ever looking for conservative women they're looking for hoes with low body counts

03:07:58.440 so you say guys so i agree with you in the red pill manister space you are not here's the thing i'll

03:08:02.840 give you and i've come from religious communities and this is true and i don't know who will disagree

03:08:06.200 here some there are some people that are a massive cope from like the tate industry that that disagree

03:08:10.040 with this if you're a if you are a concert if you're a guy and you've ran through 20 30 40 women

03:08:15.480 the types of conservative women that you talk about are never going to want to be with you and i know that

03:08:19.080 we have some disagreements on do women care about body count blah blah blah if you're looking for a

03:08:22.360 conservative women she's not going to be with a guy that wanted to be a fuck boy throughout all

03:08:25.000 of his 20s it's not going to happen but i think it would be so i'll i'll i'll push back slightly on

03:08:29.880 that and saying that i think it would be a larger disqualifier for a man looking at a woman who has

03:08:36.280 a large body count than a woman looking at a man who has a large body count certainly i don't know

03:08:40.920 i think it really one thing destiny we have your girlfriend in the chat thank you is she wearing

03:08:47.560 glasses with no lenses on that's the most important question right now the pseudo intellectual

03:08:51.800 i want to i want to add add something on nev to what you were saying if if this is my advice to

03:08:57.480 all marriage-minded women out there okay to your point if you're a woman and you want to get married

03:09:03.000 and you want to find a guy who wants to marry you who you will have a good marriage with one of the

03:09:07.960 best things that a young woman in your shoes can do is tell the guy yeah i'm going to wait until

03:09:11.880 marriage to have sex because a guy who's truly interested in you for who you are and who loves you as a

03:09:18.360 person and and wants to spend the rest of their life with you they're going to be cool with waiting

03:09:23.400 until marriage to have sex now there's going to be some guys out there there's going to be some guys

03:09:26.760 out there that are like hey i want to test drive the vehicle before i purchase it that's a really

03:09:30.120 negative way to say it it's intentionally so yeah i know but like sex is a really important part of

03:09:35.160 a relationship it would fucking suck to marry somebody and then realize you guys are totally

03:09:38.600 but you can but there's also there's also ways to go about having that conversation before actually

03:09:43.160 getting married where you can yeah but if you're both asking where you can really you can't really

03:09:45.880 know what you said if you're both abstinent you're not really having i mean look i'm gonna i'm gonna be

03:09:50.600 honest like like in in the the stage of my life where i'm at where i'm looking for a wife like i can i

03:09:55.400 can tell speaking to a woman having conversations with her like there's an energy exchange you absolutely

03:10:00.440 cannot tell if you don't think so and also how yes yes i can there's there's there's there's

03:10:04.760 there's an energy okay maybe if your standards for good sex are really low come on no you've

03:10:08.680 never met a girl oh wait hold on hold on destiny yes it comes down to chemistry honestly it comes

03:10:13.080 down to chemistry i can i've had girlfriends in the past where like i i could tell based on the

03:10:18.440 energy exchange that we were going to have a good sexual relationship and i agree i was 100 correct

03:10:22.920 when it happened you never that i've met that i've had like really really like like when we're hanging

03:10:27.320 out like in public really really strong chemistry and the sex was horrible the worst i've ever ever

03:10:32.760 ever had why should sexual chemistry define the entire relationship i didn't say it should but

03:10:36.680 there are things that can be part of the there are things that can be like a necessary part meaning

03:10:40.680 it needs to be there but it's not sufficient it's not the whole relationship so there are a lot of

03:10:44.120 different things so for instance like good hygiene is not the only thing a relationship is about but

03:10:47.960 bad hygiene might be up and like an endpoint of a relationship right which is why i think you should

03:10:52.200 wait because then you get to appreciate the qualities and a person more no i'm not saying you can't

03:10:56.360 appreciate but what i'm saying is that like there's some level of sexual experience that you can bring to the

03:11:00.520 table in a relationship and there's some level of like sexual enjoyment that you're not going to

03:11:04.200 know about until you've already sealed the deal on getting married that might be a deal breaker

03:11:07.480 further on like for the relationship but i agree with his point that he's saying like come on

03:11:11.400 because you've sometimes you've like felt a girl like dude this girl and me like we

03:11:14.680 fucking want each other i've fucked enough women at this point to know that i never ever ever assume

03:11:19.480 how good she's going to be in bed because i've had my mind blown with how bad some people are

03:11:23.000 and with how good some people fair play but you have felt like that kind of sexual tension like in a

03:11:26.920 positive way of course not to take away like the mystique of it but like sex is a skill that you

03:11:33.320 practice it's an attitude that you come in with it and it's a deliberate improvement if you want

03:11:36.840 to get better at it yeah right so just like having chemistry i've had like hardcore chemistry with some

03:11:41.560 people and then i have some of the most awkward fucking they're trying to move while you're trying

03:11:44.840 to fuck their mouth is toothy as fuck when they're giving head they're like there's all sorts of like

03:11:48.600 weird shit happening um just chemistry alone is not going to make you communicate about that in order to

03:11:52.920 improve the only the point i'm trying to defend let's say what if you what if you get with a

03:11:57.720 girl and then you get married and then you find out after she's like i don't believe in oral sex

03:12:01.720 you can have that conversation out of there you could but you could but you don't know if that's

03:12:08.280 going to be the case because she might say like oh yeah that sounds like it'd be really fun and then

03:12:10.920 she tries it the first time your honeymoon night and she's like oh this isn't fun i don't like this

03:12:13.960 yeah i mean i think i think with sufficient communication you can overcome that hurdle and

03:12:18.680 to go back to what we were saying a second ago look i've slept with seven women

03:12:21.800 every single one like i could feel the energy exchange and i already had an idea of what it

03:12:26.520 was going to be like to be with them i was right with every single one of them so like i think if

03:12:30.120 you look the autistic people like it's going to be a little bit more difficult because it's hard to

03:12:34.200 like read the energy and stuff but like with that aside you know if you can read the person well you

03:12:40.440 do have super disagree but yeah i think he's also slept with more women than you have too

03:12:44.520 so he's probably a chill oh he had to bring that up

03:12:53.240 what's the body count what's what is the body count what's the body count 500 plus easily

03:12:58.520 that that that's going to be like every single time yeah i know and it's going to be different

03:13:03.320 for other guys they might not be able to read but i think it's as a that as a point every single

03:13:07.880 time you start with someone that has to be like you just know unless you're autistic but i think

03:13:11.560 there's like a general positive indicator of him being right like you can kind of meet yeah but

03:13:16.040 autistic people won't know so i agree it's a small percentage of the population i agree with destiny

03:13:21.160 saying i agree with destiny saying in the sense like people should like you should answer this question

03:13:25.160 because you brought it up that steven has more experience than he does who do you think would be

03:13:29.240 better at sex right now steven or chase i have no idea definitely definitely you don't need to

03:13:36.440 give it to the panel better i don't think this really has to do with it it's probably just more

03:13:41.080 about like having the experience of like if you had chemistry with someone what if you had chemistry

03:13:45.880 with someone in bed or versus like when you were before you slept with them because it is the case

03:13:49.960 like if you had a lot of experience and you know that the case could be that you have a lot of

03:13:53.640 chemistry uh at work but then in bed it's like super super awful right i think i

03:13:59.000 think also i will say too the original i will say hold on but i will say that question is really

03:14:03.400 revealing okay the five best sexual partners that i've had in my life were all the people that i

03:14:08.280 were in the long-term relationships with some of the worst sexual experience i'm like were people

03:14:11.240 that i started off right my first serious girlfriend in high school when we started off we were both

03:14:17.400 fucking virgins okay it was the most awkward horrible shit and by the end even still those rank as like

03:14:22.360 some of my best sexual experiences but it's because we got to know each other and because we managed to

03:14:25.640 have sexual compatibility we developed out there the relationship like on a one-night stand like

03:14:29.480 it's hard to know like when i see something even that fun sexually depending on what you're looking

03:14:32.680 for unless you're sexually so what unless you're like sexually starved in like one i can agree that

03:14:38.440 the longer you're with somebody the better sex gets so why is she not enough why is she not enough

03:14:44.760 it's i mean like it's kind of like it's kind of like if you've got like a close friend but then you've

03:14:48.840 got other friends like well why is that one friend not enough because in life sometimes variety is fun

03:14:53.000 sometimes i want to be with a girl that's hispanic or asian sometimes i want to be with somebody that

03:14:56.040 is marriage is not a friendship uh i didn't say marriage was a friendship but marriage to me isn't

03:15:00.600 just about my dick going in her vagina there's a lot of aspects to my marriage that i shared my wife

03:15:04.680 that's really unique to my wife that i don't share with other people my dick is just not one of those

03:15:08.040 things is it going that's why some people say that emotional cheating is also a thing in in marriage

03:15:13.480 sure that's great but i'm just saying that like there there i think that there are some

03:15:16.360 closeness is only appropriate between spouses in your opinion which is fine um but there are some things

03:15:21.960 that are fun to explore sex with other people that not everybody might like there might be some

03:15:25.640 people that are into certain things that like i'm not into that she gets another guy there might be

03:15:28.520 some girls are certain things that they're into that she's not to do like so being able to exploit

03:15:31.800 sex with other people is a fun thing if you're both okay with it then yeah okay so this this value of

03:15:36.280 fun it's a very interesting one that's been brought up right it's kind it's kind of like a chief value

03:15:40.520 here in the discussion sure and the question it begs in my mind is god forbid this happens will it be fun

03:15:47.000 if this open relationship ends up causing things to fall apart down the line if one of you guys

03:15:52.360 finds yourself in a uh an entanglement so to speak with no that with yeah with somebody who you might

03:15:58.120 find a deeper connection with than the other person like if that causes the relationship to to fall

03:16:02.360 apart that probably wouldn't be very fun no it would be horrible and it would be sad but monogamous

03:16:06.120 relationships have the same issue right how many times do you have like a man that falls in love with

03:16:09.560 a co-worker or a woman that falls in love with a friend that she spends too much time with like

03:16:12.600 monogamous people have to put up a lot of boundaries in their relationships too because they worry about the same

03:16:16.600 types of things you know and so i mean like this is this is part of the reason why like like that is

03:16:21.560 so i i i was conceived by a man who had an extramarital okay he had an extramarital affair with

03:16:29.640 my mother and he was extremely in love with her and he felt a deeper connection from what i understand

03:16:34.680 with my mother than he did with his wife right and this is why like we're trad christians preaching

03:16:39.320 the christian gospel and the christian way of life because it's like yes people will like in marriage

03:16:43.480 people will likely find somebody else at some point in time during the marriage that they feel

03:16:47.240 a stronger connection with but through embodying virtue like you can you can shut down uh that

03:16:52.840 impulse you can resist that temptation and stuff and it's like i i don't know i personally think

03:16:56.920 that that's a better approach than entertaining it because what if someday one of you guys runs

03:17:00.920 into somebody that you have a better emotional connection with like what would you do then

03:17:04.440 again i understand the question but like monogamous people have this exact same problem they do what

03:17:08.600 you can guard against what you rely on yeah but the guardian in my opinion is the history that

03:17:12.920 you've built together right there's probably the virtue that you choose to embody if that's how you

03:17:17.240 want to do it history yeah but there's like there's a lot of people with history that still cheat

03:17:20.920 though there's probably some woman out there that would be like a better match for me than melina

03:17:27.320 there's probably some guy out there that would be a better match for her than me but we've got like

03:17:30.680 four and a half years up to now of history built together that we know like our lifestyle works

03:17:34.840 really well we match forever we want the same things like yeah so part i think part of what

03:17:38.920 makes a relationship work is that relationships require a lot of deliberate work they don't just

03:17:43.480 happen and they don't just grow naturally it's not for a little bit for the beginning but they

03:17:46.920 require like a lot of deliberate like we're going to work on things we're going to build on things

03:17:49.720 we're going to have this and that thing that you build is part of what makes you romantically

03:17:54.200 attracted to each other not in the honeymoon way but in like this is a relationship that works

03:17:57.800 kind of way and that thing you can't find with other people there might be a girl that i

03:18:01.160 meet and i connect with in a ton of awesome ways but it's like i don't know yeah here's the thing

03:18:05.400 about that i mean you make a great point but a lot of people of course i do a lot a lot of people

03:18:08.920 build that that that foundation with one another over years and years but like one of the things

03:18:13.320 one of the things that happens with a lot of women you know women are in many ways dominated by

03:18:17.080 their emotions right and men are absolutely the same way we are but like like one of the things

03:18:23.000 one of the things that you hear very often happens in marriages is like you know there will be a bit of

03:18:27.000 tension maybe the guy gets fired from his job he's having a tough time finding a new one he loses

03:18:31.080 some of his confidence you know she's like kind of got the ick from her husband for a bit and then

03:18:35.880 like some chad comes into the picture and he's like hey and he talks to her right and then boom she

03:18:39.640 cheats happens all the time no hold on i've heard it a million times men cheat more than women okay yes

03:18:47.240 you can apply it to both sexes though what i'm talking about you can apply it to both sexes and at

03:18:51.240 that point in time your history your foundation doesn't matter it all goes out the window the second

03:18:56.920 that emotion sure but that would be the case whether or not we were open or closed yeah right

03:19:01.000 if i lose all my confidence and i turn into a fucking loser and i just start smoking weed all

03:19:04.120 day and play league of legends it's not like i'm going to rely on my monogamy to keep her

03:19:06.920 also i feel like it kind of helps like having an open relationship too because you actually get to

03:19:10.760 like taste the things that you're interested in that might not be like a relationship you know

03:19:14.680 like you live with them or you want to have a future with them right but is that sustainable

03:19:18.200 yeah don't we have the longest relationship at this table so far you do you do but but like

03:19:25.000 do you guys have a high degree of confidence that your marriage will last for decades i mean i married

03:19:29.560 her without a prenup so i fucking hope so okay where else this motherfucker is going to be i'm

03:19:34.360 i'm curious i'm curious what the chat thinks i'm curious what the chat thinks do you guys have a high

03:19:39.320 degree of confidence that their marriage will go the distance let us i mean you shouldn't have a high

03:19:42.680 degree of confidence that anybody because even monogamous marriages have like a 50 percent

03:19:45.800 fail rate right yeah but like if you if you take you know again to go back to the christianity

03:19:51.160 thing if you really take your vows before god seriously and you're regularly attending church

03:19:54.920 and like that's a really important thing to you you know you look at the data on that the divorce

03:19:58.280 rates are much lower than the average i understand what you're saying and i it's hard to fight this

03:20:03.400 because like it's hard without making it sound like an attack on your relationship okay but you're

03:20:06.840 asking me a hard question so like this is how i view it personally okay i want my wife to be with me

03:20:11.880 not because i'm the only one she's allowed to fuck and not because we made a promise in front

03:20:14.920 of a sky fairy a long time ago that she has to be with me i want her to be with me because she

03:20:18.120 loves me because she respects me because she thinks i'm the coolest guy for her and because

03:20:21.400 all the things that i'm doing are things that are inspiring to her in her life and with the way

03:20:24.360 that our relationship works i know that at every point we're with each other it's because we match

03:20:27.560 and exceed those expectations from each other right she's not with she will never think that like oh um

03:20:32.600 the only reason steven hasn't like left me for another woman is because you know he could go

03:20:35.480 fuck somebody else because we can we can do that but we're still with each other at the end of the day

03:20:38.520 right that's like our marriage that's how we view our relationship if for some people vows and everything

03:20:42.600 work like that's cool but i feel like with the type of lifestyle i lead with the ways that i excel

03:20:46.680 in my career and with the ways that she's like growing and excelling in her career i would hope

03:20:49.400 that the reasons why we're together are more than just because of vows some number of years ago yeah

03:20:53.800 that's my point of view and i understand that's not for everybody and some people do things differently

03:20:56.600 but then like i also see and i know personal examples i won't call them out but um where people

03:21:00.600 have taken those vows and fuck they're stuck in some miserable ass fucking relationships it is yeah

03:21:06.680 and they're like well i took this vow i don't want to fucking do if i'm catholic i have to get an

03:21:10.280 annulment uh it's gonna look bad in front of my whole family and then you see these really sad

03:21:13.720 people in their 30s okay that are like the rest of my life is going to be relegated to this miserable

03:21:18.200 fuck relationship and i can't get out because i promised somebody that i wouldn't and it's like

03:21:21.960 fuck that's so sad that's like so much worse than like anything else i get really sad whenever i see

03:21:26.120 that i think the problem there is that they took the vow in the first place i think they didn't

03:21:29.480 recognize how serious it was where you know they jumped into this relationship with sometimes you

03:21:33.160 don't know someone until you live with them for a little bit and then you realize that this is not for me

03:21:36.920 but then they they've like hardcore committed like i'm a i was a virgin before this no one's

03:21:41.000 gonna ever want me again i'm religious my parents are gonna hate me like and then they just they're

03:21:45.560 stuck in this relationship that might be really abusive i think and then they're having kids and

03:21:49.640 they don't dare to divorce and this is where like yeah that's like a hyper niche example though that's

03:21:54.520 not a hyper niche that's probably one of the norms that's probably one of the norms i don't know

03:21:59.720 any sources anything to back that look at the divorce just based on the fact that like virgins like

03:22:05.640 people are not saving sex for marriage in general these days like that does not happen a lot yeah

03:22:11.080 if you if you look at this hold on if you look at the statistics hold on hold on if you i'm sorry

03:22:15.080 this point needs to be made if you look at the statistics on virgins who get married they have

03:22:18.440 a less than two percent divorce rate yes but what if that's those marriages are abusive

03:22:24.440 this is like a hypothetical situation but it's like what are the stats on how many of those marriages

03:22:29.320 why they're not divorcing is because of the pressure that they have from their families and

03:22:33.320 uh from the that's an assumption that they come from that's an assumption but there's there's

03:22:37.160 some percentage i didn't that's good actually that's like good that that pressure's on there

03:22:41.960 if it's abusive because shame is a good thing and i think it's always been considered grounds

03:22:49.000 for divorce yeah one of the things with physical abuses physical one of the things but like dudes

03:22:53.800 are not like lining up and mass to like beat their wives asses like that's not that's like

03:22:59.160 like like look like no no no because the general thing in america the general thing in america is

03:23:03.320 like like these feminists think like guys are like all right listen here wife you better

03:23:07.080 fucking make some great tuna casserole i'm gonna beat your fucking ass and it's just like does it

03:23:12.040 work no no no nobody doesn't work nobody thinks that that's like what abuse looks like right like

03:23:16.680 that's like the most like straw man stereotype from abuse okay right you guys know what abuse looks

03:23:20.440 like yeah okay let me let me you don't even have to go as far as abusive okay that's cool

03:23:25.800 listening to freshest girl hey guys guys let's let's get through the super chats let's try to

03:23:30.760 get through all of them and then if we want to continue any conversation let's do that uh did we

03:23:35.080 do mike davis did we do this one yeah we did we read that one uh nathan john will you please

03:23:41.880 wish jj happy mother's day this is his final dying wish john uh jj sweetheart the face of the movement

03:23:47.800 happy mother's day big guy we love you beautiful uh destiny is this one for you or who should read

03:23:54.200 brian i might have to come down and show you how a real alpha deals with an unruly woman

03:23:58.120 never allow a nobody goof to dilute the quality of the show plus i seems lucky to have a woman as

03:24:02.280 mid as she is by his side or he'd be seen as more eccentric than he already is he seems like the

03:24:07.720 kind of guy that would call himself an alpha for beating women too so good one some a1 firing

03:24:13.080 back right there 300 into this evening 300 burger he actually yeah by the way i'm still waiting for my

03:24:18.920 crown please i'm gonna be going on a flight soon he owns like 300 wait did he slide in your dms

03:24:23.960 mike davis no i just need the burger king crown all right we have ryan the eating warrior thank

03:24:28.920 you man feminism kryptonite accountability with how does that even make sense facts i feel like

03:24:35.560 women have some of the most harshest forms of accountability in society like with uh being

03:24:40.520 able to get out of pregnancies with abortion like being able like being forced to care for

03:24:44.440 a kid for 18 years after you've had the child on the deck and just leave i mean dude nobody's

03:24:48.040 forcing them they chose to have a kid yeah and so did the guy that left i know who's got more

03:24:52.120 accountability she chose that man as her that's why child support exists but the guy has the ability

03:24:55.800 to leave why would you blame the woman for him leaving child the average payment is like 288

03:25:01.240 a month i mean look i don't think i don't think dudes should be able to just leave sure i know but

03:25:04.920 i'm just saying like that's an example that's a really big accountability factor that has a lot

03:25:08.760 of influence over your life and that's something where women are held ultimately accountable maybe

03:25:11.880 the lesson here is that women should be more selective that can be fine and that can be the lesson

03:25:15.720 however why can't we just tell men to be better sure you say that women should be held

03:25:18.920 well that's that's what we've been doing i've been asking the whole podcast how can we make

03:25:22.520 men great again sure you say that's how women should be accountable there i'm just saying that

03:25:25.320 that's an example of like if a mistake is made with a child more often than not the woman is going

03:25:28.520 to be held ultimately accountable for it it's a fair point it's a very harsh form it's a fair

03:25:31.960 point all right we have uh l emiranti with the uh is that british pounds feminism is white supremacy

03:25:38.760 for women they don't they don't they don't stand up for women of color first wave feminism is

03:25:43.880 intrinsically linked to racism because they did not want black men or women to get the vote when

03:25:48.920 they got it the feminist is just a stupid af girl pretending to be smart you want to fire back at

03:25:53.960 that seneca falls convention i'm sorry they feel that way i don't i don't know what else to say

03:25:59.800 i'm not i'm not a person who like tries to dunk on people i just want to have like actual

03:26:03.480 conversation fair enough respect okay doc van adlis thank you thank you for the uh super chat man from

03:26:08.520 the general discussion it's obvious that the destinies uh are oblivious to healthy boundaries

03:26:13.880 i you mentioned that you run into toxic people when in reality uh or i'm sorry when in actuality

03:26:19.080 you attract them do you really think that one of you won't become one of these toxic people

03:26:23.400 uh i don't know maybe it might happen we'll see maybe i'm already toxic you know uh chase do you

03:26:27.640 want to read this one yes watch it the ginger menace says chase i'm an rn there's something called

03:26:32.600 tris trisomy genes that make a mistake and that person gets three chromosomes instead of two

03:26:36.920 you can have down syndrome on gene 21 but it can happen on your sex chromosome i.e xxy it makes

03:26:41.960 a male more feministic i.e jamie lee curtis shots fired at jamie lee curtis appreciate that what

03:26:47.880 how often does that happen trisomy is pretty rare i'm pretty sure yeah like what are we talking like

03:26:51.880 in general are like one percent of the population as well around there i think intersex is one

03:26:56.680 i think it's less than that it's gotta be like less than one but that can mean different things and it

03:27:01.160 very rarely means like mixed genitalia yeah the problem is intersex can be like anywhere from like

03:27:06.520 point oh two percent to like two percent depending on how broad intersex is but intersex is like a

03:27:10.760 very like ill-defined thing right okay yeah okay we have minnesota liz here with the uh 200 thank

03:27:16.760 you minnesota liz minnesota liz minnesota liz with the 100 uh you are giving her what she wants she

03:27:22.840 isn't answering on purpose yeah this is from attention is all she wants feminists demonize natural

03:27:29.080 masculinity in men and praise it in women feminists demonize natural femininity in women and praise it

03:27:36.040 in men keyword demonize there because a lot of people don't know that the feminist movement

03:27:40.600 has origins in occult satanism and luciferianism so it is quite demonic energy confirm or deny

03:27:46.200 satanist real i love no have you guys thought i've beelzebub worshiper have you guys thought i've

03:27:51.560 demonized men or women today yes yes men for sure okay so i feel like that's i i don't i don't feel

03:27:59.480 demonized but i think she's making a general statement about feminism as a whole oh we have waffle sensei here

03:28:05.320 thank you for the uh super chat appreciated destiny you want to read this one hi destiny

03:28:09.400 if tate is bad for presenting masculinity as owning cam girl sites is it bad for women to present

03:28:14.040 femininity as doing only fans and cam girl content what do you think i think the issue is i could be

03:28:21.000 wrong but i don't know of only fans girls saying that only fans is destroying the world but the tates

03:28:25.320 seem to believe that only fans is destroying the world that like men simping for women are so when

03:28:29.160 you engage in that industry it seems a little hypocritical i'm not saying that running a cam business is

03:28:33.480 wrong except when you do by sex trafficking uh what i'm saying is that it's probably wrong to do

03:28:37.000 that and then to come out later be like these are the worst things happening to society when you've

03:28:39.720 been like one of the biggest players contributing to it yeah it's hypocritical to get back to the

03:28:43.240 question is it bad for women to present femininity as doing only fans and cam girl content to reframe

03:28:48.120 that a bit a lot of girls that do only fans they talk about how liberated they are and how they feel

03:28:52.440 so empowered by it in kind of like a feminist mindset when we get into like sex work that's a really

03:28:56.440 complicated question to borrow the nuanced answer um in some ways it can be empowering and in other

03:29:02.280 ways i think it's kind of scary to sell that as empowerment in a way it's almost like asking like

03:29:06.440 should poor people be allowed to sell kidneys for a million dollars because in one way like it's an

03:29:09.880 escape from poverty and it's really empowering and in other ways it's like it's not like the message

03:29:13.240 you want to send that your path to success is through selling parts of your body um there's really

03:29:17.400 good arguments on both sides of that i would say that like i think and every woman will agree i'm sorry

03:29:22.680 that works in the industry only fans is a huge improvement over what was before and i will say that the way

03:29:28.040 that prostitution no men making money off of it i will say that there's a very interesting

03:29:33.160 phenomenon that i've observed that at every stage of a sexual transaction as long as the man is in

03:29:38.280 control of it nobody gives a fuck but as soon as the woman is in control of it people start to have

03:29:41.960 really huge problems with it i don't think that's the issue i can totally give you a great examples of

03:29:46.360 this right we can watch pornographic movies i know on twitch there are games that have like porn scenes

03:29:51.000 in them and when people see this everything's cool you can play the witcher 3 and everybody's like oh yeah

03:29:54.200 fucking boob scene but if a woman goes on twitch and cosplays as one of those like fuck this booby

03:29:57.880 girl it seems to be that there's a huge case that when women are in charge of the paychecks we start

03:30:02.600 to have a really big problem i see the point that you hold on i see the point that you're making

03:30:07.880 my disagreement would be you know the the issue is that now that the paychecks have been put in the

03:30:14.360 hands of the women and and pornography am i allowed to say that pornography pornography is has been

03:30:19.960 decentralized right now it's like it's it's been democratized and anybody can get into it right

03:30:25.240 you're saying before the paychecks were in the hands of the men and nobody had a problem we didn't

03:30:28.920 really care like where was all the ragging it's probably like 10 years ago you know yeah the problem

03:30:32.440 that i have with it isn't necessarily that the paychecks are in the hands of the women it's that

03:30:35.880 when the covet pandemic happened like tons of women all across the country started doing only fans

03:30:40.600 because they wanted to uh provide for themselves and like now it's like now that the floodgates have been opened

03:30:45.640 so many women who never would have been doing porn in the first place are now doing it because it's

03:30:50.440 easy and accessible that's the problem i have i feel like it's not that many dude it's a ton i'm just

03:30:55.560 i hate to do this i didn't know what do you think is like the percentage of like destiny yeah i didn't

03:30:59.880 know any girls that were into pornography before the co-pandemic happened and now i've met like 12

03:31:04.360 sure but like what do you think is like the percentage of women that do it i get a guess i don't know

03:31:08.200 do what that do like only fans two percent very small increase is more interesting i think very small

03:31:13.880 percentage yeah this is a very very very small minority of people like i'm sure that more got

03:31:17.640 into it for sure but like more men also pursued like youtube channels and pranks and stuff like

03:31:21.720 that now you can argue i guess you might think that only fans is worse than like trying to be a youtube

03:31:25.240 or whatever yeah but you know what really sucks is the fact that people are going into it before even

03:31:30.200 ever trying to have a career women are going into it at the age of 18 the moment they turn 18 the

03:31:34.680 moment the clock strikes 12 they're already on that only fan ship and the fact that that's such a thing

03:31:40.840 that all these women all these young women are just selling themselves short rather than going

03:31:44.840 to school doing all that resorting to selling their sexuality is just disgusting it's terrible

03:31:50.600 i agree 100 with what you're saying but you also just described conservative relationships

03:31:54.760 and when a girl turns 18 her goal is to sell her sexual virginity to a man and then forego all

03:31:58.840 career building in order to but she's not she's not selling anything that's what it's a beautiful

03:32:05.800 that's a little extreme that's like saying everything that she just said applies to a woman that says i'm not

03:32:10.200 going to go to school i'm not going to go well wait wait wait wait wait wait hold on there's a

03:32:16.040 large percentage of women that are like yeah i just don't want to be a ho and then like you're

03:32:20.200 comparing them to like a woman wanting to do only fans which is like ho max yeah there's no

03:32:26.040 obviously there's obviously there's a comparison between a woman who wants to have a relationship

03:32:31.080 with a man or get married to him and have kids with him to a woman that's doing only fans what i'm

03:32:35.240 saying totally different things they're obviously they're different that's why it's a comparison i'm not

03:32:39.080 comparing two of the same thing but what i'm saying was selling themselves for a guy what i'm saying

03:32:43.640 is that she was saying that it's sad that women get into only fans because they don't even try

03:32:48.440 entering the educational fields or entering the job market and then they up their life how many

03:32:52.680 women that start dating conservative guys and then get pregnant at 1920 are now in arguably a

03:32:56.680 worse position because people who hold traditional conservative values would know that you're not

03:33:00.760 supposed to get like that's like you're supposed to marry someone i hate to do this and i'm not i

03:33:08.280 don't want to be mean to you but i'm going to pull the h card a little bit at 18 or 19 you're not even

03:33:11.960 old enough to have conservative values because you don't even know what that's that's not true i

03:33:16.360 hold on i know a lot of women that have authentically conservative values in that 18 to 22 year old range

03:33:22.840 and they have it because they were raised in families where their parents

03:33:25.400 and i know a lot of those women that try those relationships and after five years they're

03:33:29.720 fucking miserable and they're like i fucking ruined my life getting with this conservative

03:33:33.480 that sucks but it's that's not that's not all of them you're painting it as if it's like

03:33:38.120 the rule but it's their exception what i'm saying what i'm saying is you can't have

03:33:41.320 conservative values in 18 20 what i'm saying is like conservative values imply some outlook of

03:33:45.080 the world and seeing yourself and how you want to situate to be situated in that world and

03:33:48.760 18 or 19 you don't really know you have no idea so you think they don't really know but a lot of

03:33:53.240 these women do so they don't have the experience but if we were to like you know weigh it out like

03:33:58.440 one versus another like a woman you know abiding by conservative rules conservative values getting

03:34:05.560 married having kids like the negative outcome is completely way heavier on the girl saying like

03:34:13.720 yeah i'm 18 i want to post like naked photos of myself getting fucked by dudes and all this stuff

03:34:18.200 wait i want to ask this really clearly because that's a phenomenal statement yeah if you're 18 or 19

03:34:22.440 you think it's a bigger mistake to start and close an only fans account than to start a

03:34:26.840 relationship with a guy and have a kid at 18 or 19. if i were to be if i were to be a betting man

03:34:31.320 across the those two outcomes yeah i would bet on the girls i would wage you against that with huge

03:34:37.800 odds so i i i i because i understand don't bail them out no no that's fine it's fine it's fine it's

03:34:44.520 the situation you're presenting because you're saying that like you know because the greatest indicator of

03:34:49.640 poverty is unplanned pregnancy and early pregnancy i get that i get that but i mean just in like a

03:34:55.320 common sense way like to sit there like you really have to jump through a bunch of like hoops mentally

03:35:01.000 be like okay like i guess i can rationalize this girl posting full-blown nudity on her only fans for

03:35:08.040 the world to see but like the majority of human history has like had women who have been like yeah i'm

03:35:13.720 just gonna you know abide by these conservative values maybe have a kid hey you know what maybe

03:35:19.000 it fucks up whatever but like this new phenomenon like yeah let me just be a whore on the only fans

03:35:24.920 like to say that that has less of a like negative yeah i don't think it's not just just a negative

03:35:32.040 impact in society in general versus a woman's like yeah i just want to be like a decent woman and get

03:35:37.480 married have kids and like not be a naked whore online yeah but you're the problem is is that if you

03:35:42.680 make a mistake by doing only fans you're only hurting your life if you make the mistake by

03:35:45.960 having a child early on now you're ruining your kid's life and and you're arguing that way more

03:35:50.200 damaging to society because where do all the criminals come from where do all the broken

03:35:52.920 families come from where does all our government welfare go right all of it doesn't go to only

03:35:56.440 fans girls it goes to single mothers right but you're assuming it you're assuming a divorce happens

03:36:01.000 but i'm saying if you took every let's like let's say we could flip a switch in society and we could

03:36:04.440 either say every single single mother in society started and stopped in only fans or every single

03:36:09.640 only fans girl tried to shack up and get pregnant 18 19. what do you think would have made for the

03:36:13.240 better society the ones shacking up for sure okay that's fine okay so so hold on let's let's take

03:36:18.120 a step back the ones who are like i want to wait wait hold on just hold on the the point of like you

03:36:22.680 know i want to get married and do my best to keep a family together and abide by christian rules and like

03:36:30.520 my father my my husband is a provider and i want to be like a proverbs 31 woman and i want to do my best

03:36:36.920 to like maintain a healthy family and like you know i mean if you do it all perfectly it works

03:36:41.560 of course we're no no no and we're not we're not saying perfection but i'm saying like you're really

03:36:45.560 telling me that a woman who's like yeah you know what i'm gonna take a risk get married because like

03:36:50.600 that's been happening across the globe across cultures but for the long time education is

03:36:56.680 important today okay back in the day before you make that thousands before you make that point yeah

03:37:00.360 give it to us preach brother you're presenting thank you thank you you're presenting this dichotomy where it's

03:37:06.360 like okay you can either do only fans or as a 18 19 year old woman you can have kids with some

03:37:12.040 conservative guy that's going to take advantage of you and then he's going to necessarily good

03:37:15.000 night hold on yeah make him pay attention sorry he's taking away he's stealing okay start over

03:37:21.160 for the tick tock clip go chase is the alpha i don't care about the tick tock clip you're you're

03:37:25.320 presenting this dichotomy where it's like okay chicks can either do only fans or they can get pregnant

03:37:29.400 and then then they'll get dumped and the relationship will fail the reality is that is going to be a

03:37:33.720 minority of the population a lot of the women that are 18 19 and they want to have kids and they

03:37:38.440 want to have a family like they can do so successfully it's not like it's just going to fail every time

03:37:42.360 majority of kids today they're not going they're not going into divorce for parents who get like

03:37:47.320 married young like extremely well you're acting again virgins virgins who get married together their

03:37:52.760 rates of divorce are less than two percent yeah okay so wait at young ages i don't believe but like

03:37:57.320 also chase it's right it's regardless of age you're presenting it as if it's it's it's a hopeless scenario for

03:38:03.080 women that want to have kids with a guy young but it's not the scenario that you're describing while

03:38:07.400 it is a problem you and i agree on the fatherless home thing it's a huge issue in society you you've

03:38:12.520 seen the statistics it increases the likelihood that people are going to end up addicted to drugs

03:38:16.600 commit suicide homeless jail whatever podcast no beyond whatever father fatherless homes that they're

03:38:22.440 they're a big problem but you've been kind of presenting a false dichotomy where it's like

03:38:26.760 of course it's false i'm not saying it's the only two i was just curious yeah well in addition i do

03:38:31.400 think that you did generalize conservative women in general and conservative men okay let me also i

03:38:37.240 think it's important to no i want to i i want to because i want to hold that i want to hold that

03:38:41.400 down so you really and this is not like a gotcha internet move get me all you want i know i'm here

03:38:46.200 to be gone i'm here to dominate you and you destroy your empire no no no but honestly speaking you really

03:38:51.800 in your heart of hearts believe like a woman who's like hey you know what i'm gonna like apply these

03:38:56.120 conservative values and give it a good go like learn to bake you know you know pack my children's

03:39:02.120 lunch and like do my best you think a woman who decides like starting only fans is like there's a

03:39:07.800 way better choice what i'm saying is that with the way society is structured right now for you to decide

03:39:12.680 become that you want to be a full-time stay-at-home mom wife parent at 18 or 19 is a more radical decision

03:39:18.840 than trying an only fan yeah i just wanted to say like as a conservative woman i don't believe in that

03:39:23.000 at all like i'm i'm studying law i'm doing my own thing i'm doing my own thing right and it isn't

03:39:28.280 right to generalize all conservative women say oh all they want to do is get married if i had a

03:39:32.040 husband yes i would support him every single way conceivable i would want to be there for him i would

03:39:36.040 want to help him with his career i'd want to make him happy but at the same time i think being

03:39:40.360 myself happy would also make him happy that's good steven you described marriage like traditional

03:39:46.520 marriage of two young people as or compared it to a woman selling her sexuality exactly which is

03:39:54.840 it just shows that you're so desperate to cast marriage in a negative light okay traditional

03:39:59.880 marriage specifically in a negative light by basically calling it a form of prostitution or

03:40:07.160 slavery or subjugation of women and it's just it's simply not true okay if you're done with the

03:40:12.120 virtue signaling so the comparison was there's no virtue signaling of course it was do you dare

03:40:17.000 talk about marriage like that what she said was doing only fans at an early age and opting for that

03:40:22.680 before even trying to get educated or work is a sad thing and i said i would say the exact same thing

03:40:28.360 for a woman that at 18 or 19 says i'm just going to find a man to get married why are you discrediting

03:40:31.880 that those women have full agency to make a decision why are you discrediting that women that do only

03:40:35.800 fans at 18 have a full agency to do it they absolutely do i have been saying that this whole time that

03:40:40.200 they should be held fully accountable for that decision if they make it yeah but that's not

03:40:43.560 we're not talking about whether or not they should be held accountable we're talking about whether

03:40:45.880 that's an acceptable decision that they have full agency oh well then we have no disagreements i

03:40:49.720 don't know why you're so upset about what i'm saying that they should be held accountable for it sure

03:40:53.000 okay but i don't know what our disagreement is then you're comparing the two as you're saying they

03:40:57.880 can be described as the same thing i literally did what i said it's about signing up for a really hard

03:41:03.160 contract that's going to last for a very long time yeah well same that's what it is that's going to be

03:41:07.000 forever yeah i know that's my whole point that was my point people who get married when they're

03:41:11.400 like 18 and 19 aren't doing it because they're trad it's because they're like white trash or stupid

03:41:15.160 so i don't think that's always true yeah yeah that's not the case i think that's definitely

03:41:19.320 true if you look at like you know the pool of people who say got married at age 18 or 19 they're

03:41:23.240 not doing it there's also high school sweethearts that get married earlier my mom is not like

03:41:27.240 in order to make the accurate in order to make the accurate comparison i think you would have to

03:41:33.560 look at you know young kids who are doing it because they want to make that vow and because

03:41:36.920 they're like trying to be trad or something instead of like the whole pool of people who got married at

03:41:40.920 that age which i'm sure a lot of them are regretting it because they're making a mistake but i think if

03:41:44.680 you have people who are more biblically minded more traditional it's going to be more successful

03:41:48.600 on average than the person who takes the route of the only fans and i think it's also important with

03:41:52.600 the value you're contributing to society maybe you made the wrong mistake with your spouse but you still

03:41:56.600 have a family have a child maybe you're miserable but at least you do have that thing this is in a

03:42:00.440 but you're just by prison no not at all absolutely because when you talk about what's like miserable

03:42:05.240 in a marriage people are far too you can't support you can't you can't even support yourself but no

03:42:09.960 one will love you ever yet because it's not a beautiful thing to be stuck in your relationship

03:42:13.800 forever it's not forever if you look at like maybe not couples who have been like would you marry a

03:42:18.120 single mom there's people in people in shitty relationships with children in the light of their

03:42:21.320 lives like if you have a single mom of course no one is going to like when i have her again you are

03:42:26.760 describing hey guys guys guys guys guys guys guys one one at a time please one you're describing

03:42:33.320 marriage as a death sentence where it's like oh you're stuck in this miserable marriage if you look

03:42:37.320 at like couples who have been in abusive scenarios like alcoholism gambling debt cheating like even

03:42:42.520 abuse in some cases 80 of those couples report being happier with each other five years later it's a

03:42:47.800 matter of i think being able to like stick to it endure instead of just immediately being like i'm

03:42:52.040 unfulfilled i want those are probably the ones that didn't get divorced right so but i'm just

03:42:56.680 saying that like it's easier to walk it's easier to walk away from doing only fans at 18 or 19 than

03:43:01.320 it is to have an accidental child with a guy that you end up not why are you so critical conservative

03:43:05.320 arrangements but the moment somebody brings up your arrangement you go off on a tangent for about

03:43:09.480 40 minutes well i don't recommend my arrangement other people no i want one hold on wait number two

03:43:13.960 all i'm saying is that with the way the world exists today there are massive benefits conferred upon

03:43:18.040 you with a college education right we need more education today to succeed in the world than we

03:43:21.800 ever have so making huge life-altering decisions from 18 or 19 is really scary and to say that like

03:43:28.520 hold on going to college at 18 or 19 or even younger sometimes is a huge decision with permanent

03:43:35.160 consequences because you're saddling yourself with potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars in

03:43:39.240 debt yes but the aggregate is a one million dollar difference earnings potential between you and a high

03:43:44.200 school graduate it's it's one of the very few paths in society that is like almost going to be

03:43:48.760 success now i do agree that it might not be for everybody in which case i say college is almost

03:43:52.760 a guarantee of success yes absolutely what does aggregate mean aggregate means that if you calculate

03:43:57.640 all of the earnings of people that graduate from high school you compare to all the earnings

03:44:00.200 people that graduate the four-year degree in college the aggregate earning is a million dollars

03:44:03.960 over the lifetime even for shitty gender studies degrees and your liberal arts degrees even

03:44:08.440 those people out earn high school graduates well thank goodness earlier in the conversation we

03:44:11.880 agreed on the value of going into yeah i agree but i'm just saying that like with the as

03:44:15.240 complicated as life is today we don't like we're not done learning history at 14 and then running

03:44:20.280 our father's farm stuff at 15 16 and having families at 18 19 we kind of need to jump into

03:44:24.200 the world and figure out like what's going on and to make decisions about like having families and all

03:44:28.040 of that generally like 18 or 19 you're probably not going to be like in your like early mid 20s i

03:44:32.680 think you're like more equipped to make that can we all at the table just like unanimously agree like

03:44:37.240 probably starting only fans at 18 and 19 not a good idea can we agree with as long as we're

03:44:41.640 going to agree that starting a family at 18 19 also a bad idea that's not true sure sure it works

03:44:46.520 out for people it works out for the only fans too yeah but more people more people in a way where

03:44:53.400 that's no longer facilitated for young people who want it more people women have the opportunity to

03:44:58.280 pick good relationships and not just be married off to some guy and have no chance to work or get

03:45:01.640 educated more more people more people fail at having a successful only fans career than they do at like

03:45:11.400 starting a family though that might be true that might be true but the penalty for failing only

03:45:16.280 fans is maybe if you fail first of all if you fail only fans chances are nobody's ever going to find

03:45:20.680 your fucking nudes okay because there's a million girls that only fans and nobody's your own name

03:45:24.040 either number one number one but also even if they did the penalty for failing and only fans is a lot

03:45:29.480 less than the penalty for failing a marriage true but when you do fail in only fans it's a gigantic

03:45:35.080 f yeah and when you do fail in marriage your kid is fucking ted bundy or something

03:45:38.680 another pretty problem we're fucking hitler okay someone's marriage fails they were trying to do

03:45:43.400 something good and build something in society that matters if you fail at doing only fans you

03:45:48.600 failed at doing something stupid and evil yeah if you're trying to build a marriage and disgusting

03:45:53.000 if you try to build a marriage for society you suck at relationships and you shouldn't even be

03:45:56.280 trying to have kids because what a horrible way to contribute children to the world by saying i'm

03:45:59.640 making a better world you should do it because you love the person because you want to have a child

03:46:02.600 because you have love for that child disagree disagree here's why oh yeah i agree i agree

03:46:06.760 that you should have children because you love the person and because you want to bring children into

03:46:11.000 the world with that person however from the biblical perspective which i'm not a religious man yeah

03:46:16.360 but preach i know you're not but the counterpoint that i want to make is psalm chapter 127 verse 4

03:46:22.200 says that the children of a man's youth 18 19 20 21 22 all the way into his 30s the children of a man's

03:46:29.320 youth are like arrows in the hands of a warrior okay from our perspective the psalms chapter 127

03:46:37.880 verse 4 from my perspective and i assume there's as well we are in a spiritual war and and it is a

03:46:44.280 war yes jesus is correct jesus is correct he is the king that leads people he's the king that leads

03:46:50.680 people to either i'm curious if there was like an islamic person that was talking to you trying to like

03:46:55.560 convince you about like islamic beliefs would you like be open to that or would you feel like i

03:47:01.000 have conversations like i have conversations with muslims all the time some of the best

03:47:05.240 people i know are true also hold on i'm sorry hold on the point wait wait wait wait the point

03:47:12.040 ryan intervene who has the right to don't care the point the point is that there is there is there is a

03:47:17.880 good motivation for having children in terms of the societal yeah to populate the world in the sense

03:47:22.120 that you can send more virtuous and god i got into society you made the joke look who our enemies

03:47:26.840 are you realize we are destroying you in every single facet of the culture war and at world

03:47:31.000 domination right the conservatives have no place in media conservatives no place in the art

03:47:34.200 conservatives no place in most major governments around the world america has the most right about

03:47:37.880 you what i was just talking about you okay that's fine well the movement that i represent is

03:47:42.280 absolutely annihilating your movement it's not even close which is why you guys are on podcast crying

03:47:47.320 about trans people going in a bathroom that instead of making fun of the blue hair you

03:47:55.480 should revere it and respect it and fear it okay i am the man kicking you into the well saying this

03:48:00.360 is sparta not when i have 10 kids dropping grenades on russian soldiers okay how many kids

03:48:06.040 are you guys gonna have i'm gonna help we're gonna have 100 no you're not i'm gonna get 20 women

03:48:11.640 i'm gonna have 200 if you do have channels we're gonna spread our 201 okay we're gonna spread our

03:48:17.400 genes all over the world okay you're fucking disgusting it's our army do you want to take

03:48:21.400 back control of the show we are right yeah it's coming it's coming you better watch it you better

03:48:26.280 watch it it's coming is the father figure of whatever podcast coming back he's coming he's coming

03:48:32.200 did brian go to get milk and cigarettes yes how we do it how we do it come back come back we need

03:48:39.080 you belong on a cross we need you

03:48:44.360 ladies so you are so you are i'll just say this so destiny you guys

03:48:48.200 they're leading they're leading the charge but it's not a due charge

03:48:51.960 what i would say you guys yeah you look at the state of the world and you're like bragging about

03:48:55.160 your guys are leading the charge but your markers of like the world is bad is that like 22

03:49:00.120 percent of gen z are bisexual yes literally yes they're going to hell no no no no there was

03:49:06.600 something i wanted to say earlier that you guys are like talking about like oh it's bad that there's

03:49:11.880 less people having children etc etc but like part of me is not completely bought into that argument

03:49:17.240 because i'm thinking about how sometimes it's better to have less children and develop them more

03:49:21.800 virtuously then have multiple children or a lot of children and then you know have them live in

03:49:26.680 poverty or not being able to develop that so i don't think yeah yeah and develop but not usually

03:49:31.560 your birth rate is necessarily bad yeah but like when you're yo one one mic at a time one mic at the

03:49:38.120 time you're saying a lower birth rate isn't necessarily bad but but you're conflating the two

03:49:42.680 it's not necessarily bad to have less children if it means that you're going to care for them better but

03:49:48.040 i would say that it's good if you can have more children and you can provide for them and raise

03:49:51.800 them effectively i would say that that's a good thing yeah i would not say that it's it's not a

03:49:56.040 bad thing if you're below replacement levels i would say that's a pretty bad thing yeah i think

03:50:00.120 the reason why i wanted to bring this up is because it seemed like earlier we were talking about like

03:50:03.560 developing nations like they're having like less oh sorry develop the nations um they're having less

03:50:09.560 children um they're having less children like that's cultural decline like it doesn't really seem

03:50:15.000 that's necessarily the case especially if it's just people focusing on putting the resources that they now have

03:50:20.520 more onto those two children yeah and when i see people like you i agree the birth rate should be

03:50:25.160 lower but how could you betray us like this what what do you mean no i'm saying i'm saying you're

03:50:31.160 saying you're saying people like her should be reproducing less

03:50:37.320 yes they need to have many children and then they won't deserve the father of the children

03:50:43.320 i do i do i do do you want it then yes we will radicalize we will be the surrogate fathers yes

03:50:52.120 oh you're putting it on me okay okay okay jesus christ thank you steve um we have a couple super

03:50:57.880 chats let's get through the super chats let's get let's get into these super chats okay uh i've got

03:51:03.080 to listen to the people allegedly i don't know if this is actually allegedly sneeko if she's down to

03:51:08.440 the other man tell her hills at me not sneeko right what do you have to say the sneeko what oh

03:51:15.240 i mean i called him a cuck two weeks ago i still believe that too full-blown apology now because

03:51:20.040 he's not a cuck you you can dick ride him all you want but i think he's a listen here girl with autism

03:51:25.400 he doesn't fucking have he's not he's not a cuck i'm actually friends with him he's not a cuck

03:51:31.400 at all and so are you and so are you he's not actively cooking thank you is he all right no he's

03:51:37.080 not thank you so much let's stop speculating i'm a cuck though cuck or not are you no no please go

03:51:43.160 read the donos get control your podcast all right everybody rippy donated a hundred dollars and he

03:51:49.960 said the idea that only fans is a step up from before destiny is crazy yes there were offered awful

03:51:56.280 scenarios in the past with pimps and stuff but now it's basically to the point that anyone

03:52:01.320 could do it it's the uber of the can you pull that back up brian sorry he's having an extra

03:52:06.440 stream conversation right now he's she said it's the uber of the segs work world just my opinion

03:52:12.200 what do you think about that if women are going to do porn i think it's better that they're in

03:52:15.560 control of the income than not there are women but i like if only fans didn't exist they wouldn't even

03:52:19.320 have the opportunity to do it there's tons of amateur videos and shit there's a ton of ways yeah but

03:52:24.040 they're not getting they're not getting paid for it and it's not like it's it's there's no

03:52:27.400 incentive for them to get into it really shittily for it like yeah but there's no incentive that's

03:52:30.920 a good but like even like 14 15 years ago there are sites we give you like a thousand dollars if

03:52:33.880 you submit like an amateur porn video to the side and shit like but what's the point of perpetuating

03:52:37.240 hedonism like what's the point of that i love hedonism i know i'm a hedonist yeah i know it shows

03:52:42.520 repent and accept jesus christ hey i'm glad i don't know if there's a compliment or not but okay

03:52:46.440 you can be smug all you want about it brian you want to keep rolling through these super jets

03:52:51.240 we should keep the show going yeah right issues right now okay are you good

03:52:56.440 brian's a man of god this unpure conversation is flustering him drumor said what a scam spent

03:53:02.360 a hundred we should pull up i bet chase could probably scroll through super chance we gotta

03:53:05.320 take care i got it i got it um we did rippies right brock uh brock said her mouth is smoother

03:53:11.880 than oil her end is bitter as wormwood and sharper than a two-edged sword remove thy way from her

03:53:16.760 destiny blue hair's girl is the embodiment be strong my brother do not let her lead you into

03:53:21.960 death okay wait me yep yep all right leading him to death melina straight to death

03:53:32.440 yes yeah the one said for a hundred bucks thank you farha chase the nuclear family was basically

03:53:37.240 an anomaly in american history anomaly what a retard totally false and worked briefly

03:53:43.000 it's worked for a long time thousands of years although people can make the distinction that it's

03:53:46.600 more the traditional family as opposed to the nuclear family like people living in their little

03:53:49.960 house in the suburbs it's a good point there but anyways worked briefly because of a totally

03:53:53.800 different economic and cultural landscape besides feminism and lgbtq what other factors do you think

03:53:58.360 are destroying the nuclear family in the west hose like you i would also i would add i would add as

03:54:03.880 how do you men you don't talk like that hey guys guys guys guys guys but you don't say that

03:54:08.680 you're worse than me bro you're telling her to chill right i can say what i want

03:54:12.840 no you don't say what you want all right temptation be a better man

03:54:19.480 be a better man i am not i i am not melina and mld please i am me please to continue i want to

03:54:26.600 continue getting ho that's mld please go ahead go ahead she's an important point to make what other

03:54:32.200 factors do you think are destroying the nuclear family in the west something i would add to that

03:54:36.120 is the destruction of our money supply that began in 1971 if you look at the statistics from 1971 until

03:54:42.680 now breton woods yes that as well all metrics of the health of society have gone down since we

03:54:49.400 began destroying our money and inflationary money printing that's a big part of it uh people have to

03:54:54.520 work harder in order to provide for their families you have to have dual parent incomes whereas before

03:54:58.360 in like the 1950s and 60s you could afford to just like get a blue collar i don't know about that

03:55:02.920 for your family it's true my brother has been broke for the majority of his life he just started

03:55:06.920 making money and he was raising three kids damn with a single household earning making forty

03:55:13.400 thousand dollars holy shit all right we have destroyed you have mike davis here no that wasn't

03:55:17.480 a destroy mld this one's addressed to you let's have no no no no no no i like this read it mike davis

03:55:23.000 says mld you could bark all you want but you you know you don't want this smoke what the smoke from

03:55:29.320 the fucking fry basket at burger king i'm a whole different animal i'd knock out every veneer i knock

03:55:37.400 out every veneer tooth by tooth you got so much grease you won't need vaseline i'll take you and

03:55:44.120 destiny together and whoop y'all like your moms should have whoa listen you know what my response to that

03:55:52.600 is i'd like a uh junior whopper with cheese and bacon and an orange soda make sure you bring that

03:56:00.200 up here to the whatever podcast can i have a crown is that everything jermore said he spent a hundred

03:56:06.280 bucks jermore did you get your uh because i mean if it was a super chat or uh through stream labs just

03:56:12.760 send more money because just send more money brian loves money i don't know what you expected from

03:56:17.560 this when are we getting fucking mike davis on this podcast that's a good question i've been trying i do

03:56:21.400 want to know destiny what is your body count 200 plus i'm not gonna why i don't because it's an

03:56:27.480 interesting question i mean you can just say that you don't want to just do the yeah i don't think

03:56:29.880 i want to share it yeah it's very gay come on as far as the guy on destiny show the red pill guys

03:56:36.680 what's up flex on the problem is that like if i say a number that's too low i get judged if i say

03:56:40.440 it was too high people won't even believe me so i don't even know what the point is just go with

03:56:43.080 but you know the number of people and over complicating the question approximately what we're not

03:56:47.880 reading it if you're how long sexual but like low low chase matthew 18 6. we're not reading these

03:56:53.560 we're not reading these just eric it's a base holding based bible scripture right there thank

03:56:59.240 you sierra stanton i appreciate that uh as far as as far as the guy who claims we didn't read the

03:57:05.000 hundred dollar super chat around uh we have auto super chat function set on so we have not seen your uh

03:57:13.400 uh you want to read the jdoc one that's an interesting he says jdoc says greed is the

03:57:18.200 source of all problems not poverty the framing that being a poor is the problem is asinine it is

03:57:22.920 an elitist argument should i just like turn tts on to 50 for the end of the stream no

03:57:28.280 guys fuck these people we got so many people talking here already i think i saw a donation that

03:57:34.280 was a hundred dollars a hundred canadian dollars in that but it was purple so then it's not you think

03:57:40.360 because the exchange rate it would have been like 80 bucks the exchange pull it up canadian money's

03:57:45.320 not real i don't think we have it canada's not we're going to say inflated american money isn't

03:57:49.400 real we can't accept cid here yeah for real but we should find that's usually the only the case

03:57:53.560 for stream yard though it won't trigger on stream yard if it's below like the conversion or whatever

03:57:57.880 but on super chats i'm pretty sure if it's red it well because of the exchange i think 100 bucks

03:58:04.680 canadian is like 70 or 80 or something american it was purple so it wasn't 100 yeah yeah you want

03:58:12.200 to pull it up anyways i'm curious what he had to say it's lost it's so over for jermore sorry jermore

03:58:18.520 no it's so jover i can see if i can like find no we're not back for jermore oh no it's it is over

03:58:25.880 i can look but i don't know if i'm gonna find it jermore said in all caps sucks to be canadian

03:58:31.000 mld i told you that when i called in here pull that one up from uh dave on please jermore my

03:58:37.160 heart goes out to you canadian canada's a big l bro canada's a big davon jackson with 100 bucks

03:58:42.200 says what is the purpose of sexual experiences is somebody you can't even remember it's me i'm

03:58:46.920 sorry stop guys this is what happens when i don't drink my fucking downstairs neighbor is

03:58:51.400 gonna have a fucking aneurysm all right go ahead he says what is the purpose of sexual experiences

03:58:57.480 with people you can't even remember sometimes you have a really good sexual experience you do

03:59:00.280 remember there's a lot of like really great meals i've eaten i don't remember every single

03:59:02.840 great meal i've had though some have been really good that i do remember though but

03:59:06.040 but what does that do to your conscience what does that do to your makes me feel really good okay good

03:59:10.280 memories as well i can think back on them feels great sometimes in those really dark times when

03:59:14.040 the internet's out and you need to masturbate i can revisit my memories instead of having you're both

03:59:17.080 so like dead in the eyes you are the most dead in the eyes person i've ever seen you literally look

03:59:22.040 like that girl from the ring okay what are you talking about okay thank you for smiling and your wife looks

03:59:25.800 like female jared leto huh whoa yeah you're right you do kind of look like you know paul allen poor

03:59:33.720 mary's getting boxed out just like you were chase i look like poor mary there we go alpha i've heard

03:59:39.800 that i guess it's a compliment that's good that means i'm fucking yes right yeah hell yes thank you

03:59:47.000 where are we at sorry anymore don't want to make fun of me or anything oh is this still pulled up can we

03:59:50.600 hide that or hide that or you can go just start showing those i had a question for you so you said

03:59:55.800 mld can we make a little bit more space for mary so she can sit more at the table i feel like we

03:59:59.640 lost a person from the podcast but mary has like the exact same amount of space we started with

04:00:05.080 is that better like push up more on that leg and then that mike if we can put it on the ground or

04:00:10.200 something you got to throw an aggressive justin waller mld i actually have a question for you later

04:00:15.640 what's up later yeah because you want to see something right he won't do a threesome with

04:00:19.320 you guys oh no no no i'm not saying that i'm actually first of all you don't know that i know

04:00:23.400 that though hey watch it oh wait wait actual question though actual no wait we just like

04:00:29.960 entered like two questions for that hold on hold on hold on if if chase was actually down would you guys

04:00:37.400 i'm not going to answer explicit sexual questions look at her face remember we couldn't say right

04:00:42.360 because what if it's no what if it's yes we don't want to say anything

04:00:44.760 john did did you have something or who was i have a question oh yeah i have a question

04:00:49.320 i'm actually not to like debate i'm actually really curious what is it like to like go from

04:00:54.520 having sex with people and then stopping and like like disciplining yourself and to not keep doing it

04:01:00.680 like what does the days look like like after that like when you make this i'm really what am i

04:01:06.520 what is your mental experience i'm very curious you were in a relationship how did it affect your

04:01:10.600 relationship i mean i i'll go there i realized like halfway through the relationship i knew for

04:01:18.440 a fact that i wasn't going to marry this girl and by continuing to have sex with her i knew that i was

04:01:23.080 like damaging her long term and i knew that in all likelihood we would leave the relationship and she

04:01:29.240 probably would remember me for the rest of her life and that might come up for her mentally and

04:01:34.920 emotionally in her marriage right and like i know that for myself the last thing i would want in

04:01:40.120 marriage is if like i married a girl but some guy that she had had sex with she was still hung up on

04:01:44.520 him like emotionally and mentally that would that would tear me up inside and i knew that there was

04:01:49.720 a possibility that that might happen so i decided to stop having sex with her and this was in 2019

04:01:56.920 in 2020 i realized the way that the world was going i want i really wanted god's favor over my life and

04:02:02.680 for me honestly like having the confidence that god has my back is worth it so much more to me than

04:02:08.840 like fornicating with women that i'm not going to marry like i i really really want an exceptional

04:02:13.560 wife and i want god's blessing in that way so it's like okay like temporary sex with a girl i'm not

04:02:18.760 going to marry god's favor in my life obviously i want god's favor in my life more so you would have

04:02:23.560 sex if like if you marry someone you're gonna have sex with them i'm assuming we're just gonna have

04:02:28.040 he's gonna have a sex hopefully what kind of question i'm curious yeah i'm curious if you

04:02:32.680 know we're not we're not gonna have you think he's gonna get married and not have sex that's

04:02:35.800 what it was yeah i wasn't really sure wait wait wait no we're not no we're not like hardcore into

04:02:40.600 something here no no no no no we're not we're not we're not gonna have premarital sex we'll have

04:02:44.840 plenty of sex wait but you're not just gonna marry someone and not have sex with them yeah i don't

04:02:49.320 know some people do that depending on what you're where your assets are as straight as they plan on

04:02:53.320 doing to be honest i wasn't sure that as straight as that is that's pretty gay yeah it is pretty gay

04:02:58.760 to be honest i'm actually like i i'm i'm really excited at the idea of not having premarital sex

04:03:04.680 because it's such an excellent filter for whether or not you're right for somebody like the way i look

04:03:10.360 at it if i if a girl and i you know we're dating or i caught her or whatever and we were not having

04:03:15.960 sex with each other and after a year or two years or whatever it is i still want to get married to her

04:03:20.840 it's like you know like that's that's the one for you you know what i mean and that's like the

04:03:24.280 best filtering mechanism possible for finding a good spouse i don't want to argue against you but

04:03:28.760 like i feel like i could flip that exactly in 180 i will like if there's a girl you've been dating

04:03:33.080 if there's a girl you've been dating for two years and you haven't fucked her yet and what if there's

04:03:37.080 like the risk the only reason you want to get married so you can finally explore that and then

04:03:39.640 after you do you're like oh fuck whereas if you've been fucking a girl but you still really love her

04:03:43.320 after two years isn't that like i want to get to be honest to be honest may i address what he said

04:03:47.880 first go ahead thank you you may thank you he gives you permission thank you destiny um

04:03:54.280 yeah i mean like i i just i know how to read women really well and like i i cannot imagine a scenario

04:03:59.960 where like i'm dating a girl for two years and we get married and start having sex and then it just

04:04:04.600 goes to shit in the bedroom i cannot imagine that happening and i have a hundred percent certainty that

04:04:10.040 it would not happen yeah i want to add on to that so and this is anecdotal evidence for sure but

04:04:14.600 the most successful relationship i ever had was when i was like you're going to hell the

04:04:21.560 most the most successful relationship i've ever had was like when me and the girl we were like

04:04:26.040 legitimately it was march 2016 until december yeah so like nine months we were just texting back and

04:04:33.240 forth and like no nothing sexual just getting to know each other and then when we did finally have

04:04:37.800 sex you know it was great whatever but that actually turned out to be my longest most healthy

04:04:43.880 relationship and i would go ahead and add on to that thinking that like i got to know her for who

04:04:49.400 she was over text and i got to like like her and know her as an individual and then from there the

04:04:56.680 sex was kind of like icing on the cake which i understand in your world like and me too like

04:05:01.080 you know your fucking girl first date second date third date it is what it is but i think like when you

04:05:05.560 kind of jump over the initial courtship to straight sex like you can get blinded with dopamine and

04:05:13.960 serotonin and you're like oh the sex is so great even though she's like a lying fucking treacherous

04:05:18.120 bitch like the sex the sex you know because you know evolutionally speaking as men like if we're

04:05:22.440 having sex our brains like you're winning you're winning you're winning like keep going keep going

04:05:25.400 keep going yeah i want to make it go ahead i want to make a constructive point

04:05:29.240 to the overarching conversation you guys have expressed a lot of concern for like the fatherless

04:05:34.920 homes out there and uh the breakdown of marriages and people you know people's marriages falling apart

04:05:40.680 to what mld was just saying like i've spoken with a lot of older dudes asking them why they got divorced

04:05:46.200 and like you know i tell this on previous episodes of the podcast at my local gym there's like six older

04:05:51.720 guys that are all divorced and when asking them questions like hey how did it get to this point

04:05:56.440 five out of the six of them all said yeah we got into our 40s and you know that that initial

04:06:00.840 that kind of like physical attraction it kind of wore off and we realized beyond the sex there

04:06:04.520 wasn't much there in the relationship and it's so easy to fall in love with somebody when you're

04:06:08.840 having sex with them and you have that oxytocin rush all the dopamine serotonin it's so easy to

04:06:13.240 fall in love with somebody and i think nowadays a lot of people get into marriages because they're

04:06:17.640 having sex with the person and they don't realize that that is at the foundation of their

04:06:22.520 relationship and later on down the line once that physical attraction has worn off they realize that

04:06:27.720 there's not a lot there beyond the initial physical attraction and i think that destroys a lot of

04:06:32.280 marriages and families and what i've been describing waiting you know to not having premarital sex i think

04:06:38.200 that's an amazing guard against that and i would say that there's probably far more successful marriages

04:06:43.240 than failed marriages because people waited to have sex i understand what you're saying i don't want to

04:06:47.960 get into a huge number but i feel like for the response god damn it this is youtube get into that

04:06:50.920 argument well for the response for the audience i feel like i have to provide another alternative

04:06:55.480 i i feel like overwhelmingly i could be wrong i don't know if it's like i feel like overwhelmingly

04:07:01.000 sex in a relationship whether you're having it or not almost has nothing to do with the actual sex

04:07:05.560 itself that when sex starts to disappear from relationships it's because there's other problems

04:07:09.080 that are usually happening like a really good indicator if a relationship is working is that they're

04:07:13.400 fucking but it's not because they're fucking they're fucking because the relationship is working

04:07:17.560 but like something could happen where i'll use corny examples that'll trigger uh pearl if she's

04:07:21.960 listening right but like let's say like guy's not cleaning up after himself doesn't do any chores

04:07:25.320 isn't taking care of the yard dumb shit like that can start to happen and then you kind of like stop

04:07:28.600 fucking because the wife is like fuck this man child i don't want to blah blah blah that eventually

04:07:32.840 that might uh like snowball into them getting divorced and the husband might think back and he goes

04:07:38.200 you know what as soon as we stop fucking stuff started going downhill really hardcore right and in his

04:07:42.840 mind he's thinking that's what happened but in reality the sex stopped because other stuff in the

04:07:46.280 relationship stopped working and that's that's that's a fair point and and again i that's there's

04:07:51.640 probably a lot of relationships like that where dudes you know they just stop being on top of their

04:07:55.160 shit and then their wife lost respect for them and she didn't want to have sex with him anymore

04:07:59.000 and he might look at it and be like well we stopped having sex that's what made the marriage fall apart

04:08:03.400 again i guess my rebuttal to that would be like if two people date or court or whatever for a

04:08:08.920 sufficient amount of time and they build the relationship off of that interpersonal connection

04:08:13.480 divorce from sex like you're gonna have a really solid idea of who that person is without your

04:08:18.520 mind clouded by the sexual relationship at all i just you present sex as such a weird like

04:08:23.240 tangential thing i think that sex can be part of how you build that relationship it can but but a lot

04:08:27.880 of people get into marriages that they shouldn't get into because they're overlooking red flags and

04:08:32.920 other things yeah but there's also because of their sexual relationship didn't even get to look for

04:08:36.280 red flags let's just let's just add on to one point though that the reality is like as men

04:08:42.200 especially as men sex clouds our judgment yeah i mean i've stayed with a girl that i was like this

04:08:47.320 bitch is terrible for me but sex is so fire i'm just gonna stay with you that i my guess is gonna

04:08:52.680 be that's actually the minority of men no way i think you you think way too highly of men no no no

04:08:58.840 hold on and okay i'm a i have okay wait destiny destiny read this real quick

04:09:03.800 i should get the red wig back right dude that's looking at the two of you on the screen

04:09:11.800 it's so real bro you know what it's so real yeah we may be so we got the blue eyes we got a yeah

04:09:19.160 similar skin the genius like you you just need to put on the wig again what's that you need to put

04:09:24.760 on the way uh it's maybe maybe maybe someone oh yeah true i want to think bye felicia oh what the

04:09:32.600 fuck uh is the audio muted eric hello okay uh she gifted 20 memberships thank you and then we have

04:09:40.920 brock here let me pull that one up you can hide that for a sec uh we have a man he's as brock guy in

04:09:46.520 suit is uh wait brock said the guy in the suit is loathsome his comments about mike serving him a

04:09:52.920 burger king order is as ignorant as he is mike owns multiple franchises he is death not poor even

04:09:57.880 a fool when he holds his peace is counted wise based a fool opens his mouth and removes what was

04:10:03.800 that last word oh no uh removes all doubt uh brock thank you for that ml did you have a response to

04:10:10.040 that i guess i'm gonna have to go home and cry in my trailer all right we have davon jackson you

04:10:15.240 understand that means you equate sex with food on value to your survival which says a lot why do

04:10:20.120 people have this issue where when you draw a comparison between two things you're saying

04:10:23.320 the things are the same right like i enjoy video games you did that i enjoy i know no i'm not saying

04:10:29.080 they're the same though obviously i'm comparing two different things to draw a parallel i'm not saying

04:10:32.920 the same thing i like food and i like playing video games i don't eat video games and i don't

04:10:37.000 play with my food they're two different things but i can compare my enjoyment waited women selling

04:10:41.160 their bodies on only fans to women selling their bodies to a husband that they were no no i

04:10:44.600 equate i use her line of reasoning uh it's sad when a woman does only fans because she forgoes

04:10:49.080 exploring a career saying that it's also true that it's sad that a woman builds a family at

04:10:52.680 the age of 18 while also forgoing a career that was the comparison i'm not saying they're the same

04:10:56.440 thing i'm just saying that was the comparison that if her criteria for why it was sad was

04:11:00.360 these criteria then that criteria would also match other things as well that was the point are we have

04:11:04.120 uh thank you for clarifying we have as ron says chase i disagree marriages fail all the time for me

04:11:09.000 personally i'm swearing off all relationships i seem to function much better independently now that's a real

04:11:13.720 soldier of god jesus didn't have a wife uh he didn't but paul also wrote that if a man burns

04:11:19.080 with lust it would be better for him to get yeah on that topic i was just gonna say there's a reason

04:11:22.600 why lust is one of the seven deadly sins there's a reason why there's each individual sin when when

04:11:26.920 a relationship operates and is founded on lust it's gonna fail you know there's a really big problem with

04:11:32.120 that is that i'm not fucking christian so i don't care i think that's clear but asron to your to

04:11:37.880 what you said there i just want to encourage you brother like i would not swear off all relationships

04:11:42.440 permanently dude like if you function better independently right now man keep working on

04:11:46.600 yourself dude like get your life in order bro and if if the day comes when you feel your heart

04:11:51.560 open to a relationship more man like i would say be be open to it but also be prudent in in terms of

04:11:57.640 the woman that you pick i agree i agree with that that's great advice thank you so much let's go

04:12:02.760 that was a post that i made on my separate after my last breakout that's what he was quoting all

04:12:05.960 right cool and then we have a uh draymore came through on stream labs thank you man appreciate it

04:12:11.640 thank you draymore dude sierra stanton can you can you read this yeah uh jamore said hi everyone

04:12:16.840 and my homeboy mld feminism causes children to be traumatized and mass i have eight years of

04:12:21.800 experience as an ece excuse me do you really think someone making minimum wage cares about your child

04:12:27.880 reaching their full potential i had to quit could not fix damn wow someone said chase talks so much

04:12:35.880 doyle should talk more yeah i do want to i want to bring in i do want to bring in billy and and

04:12:40.600 john really quick what was that thing we need to pull up from sierra she wants to marry chase chase

04:12:46.040 do you accept her proposal dude you should pull up her comment it was really funny yeah just if you

04:12:50.040 can try to scroll up and find it there it wasn't a super chat but she doesn't want to marry brian

04:12:54.040 because you look like her sister's ex her sister's ex no she said she still does want to marry brian

04:12:59.320 but he looks like her sister's ex sierra stanton would marry brian but he looks like my sister's ex

04:13:05.080 sorry brian lol what do you think about that sierra she looks attractive dark hair blue eyes i like it

04:13:10.040 um thank you sierra uh well hey listen is yours is the sister i was about to say it's like you you

04:13:17.400 must be your type is the sister available hook it up dms are open okay the other stanton

04:13:23.720 uh yeah where's the other stanton um was there someone uh okay uh john is there anything you

04:13:32.600 want to chime in yeah yeah john tell us we need some base yeah you know the nature of the conversation

04:13:37.080 is like sort of inconducive to me being autistic because i tend to speak in paragraphs then we get

04:13:42.040 like 10 different ideas and i just don't have that kind of memory so let's give the floor to john

04:13:47.080 i would just be like monologuing just extemporaneously give us a monologue chase

04:13:50.680 just monologued all night here give me a feminism feminism i mean you know i'm not one of these

04:13:56.040 people that's like you know feminism is okay it's this third wave feminism has gone too far you know

04:14:00.120 earlier in the discussion i wanted to make this point where the sort of downstream eccentricities

04:14:04.920 of feminism where this group does it this way this group does it this way it all stems from the core

04:14:08.360 idea which i think anyone who self-identifies as a feminist would agree with which is that men and

04:14:12.280 women are equal not that they should be treated equally in terms of dignity but literally they are equal

04:14:16.840 except for some like uh ultimately inconsequential biological features and i mean that like

04:14:21.720 physiologically in the sense that like you know maybe men have a little bit more muscle mass women

04:14:25.960 are maybe a little bit more flexible things like that but feminists would tend to disagree with the

04:14:29.720 idea that men tend to behave a certain way because of their biology and vice versa with women and i think

04:14:34.360 that when you trace that truth to the way societies have been structured all throughout the world whether

04:14:39.000 it's in like the west or even in like patriarchal societies in you know africa or australia or wherever

04:14:45.000 this idea that men should be in charge tends to hold up and this idea that like you know there are

04:14:49.320 stereotypes for how women behave and men behave tends to hold up cross-culturally so i don't think

04:14:53.320 it can be explained by this sort of like tabula rasa like we just decided arbitrarily that men should

04:14:58.680 act this way women should act this way i think it's rooted in our biology and i think that societies were

04:15:02.360 much healthier when we acknowledged that and when we stopped like deluding ourselves of this idea of

04:15:06.680 progress as some sort of like thing to be aspired to based very based take i got a question for you what do you

04:15:12.680 think about uh dudes like azar or whatever his name was the mig tau guys men going their own own way

04:15:18.200 swearing off women right what would you say to those guys uh i understand it and i sympathize with it i'm

04:15:23.320 not going to tell you like no dude you need to like get married at 18 because there is something to be

04:15:26.920 said about people getting married young happened because they were more mature at that age it wasn't

04:15:32.600 just like something that they just did incidentally and our society has been structured now to basically

04:15:36.520 delay maturation i think um and you know i think yeah college is important but there is something to

04:15:41.000 be said about this sort of like neverland you take your four-year tour of service you go party and

04:15:44.760 yeah you get a degree like the delay of maturation though is because we necessarily exist in a more

04:15:49.160 complex world right like navigating the world 500 to a thousand years ago was a lot simpler right

04:15:55.080 whereas today like a child is learning how to navigate an ipad in like a technically sophisticated

04:15:59.400 way that's greater than like the technical sophistication of like people you know throughout

04:16:03.720 arguably all of history you know but even 60 years ago i mean the rate at which women were having their

04:16:07.960 first child was at a far younger age than now people were getting married much younger um and

04:16:12.280 i think here's an example i like to use if you had an emergency and you were say like teleported to the

04:16:17.160 1980s the average person that i would feel comfortable with like rushing to on the street

04:16:22.200 is significantly younger than now i wouldn't run to anybody under the age of like perceivably 30 to be

04:16:27.560 like oh my gosh help me with this because people now just have far less practical skills far or far

04:16:32.200 fewer practical skills far less practical knowledge so we are more educated in the sense that we have

04:16:36.760 degrees but in terms of like actual skills and knowledge people are far less interesting than

04:16:40.600 they were 50 years ago and they didn't have again that's because we specialize right like the men that

04:16:45.000 run our farms today might not be able to go out with an actual pitchfork and do that because they're

04:16:48.680 using incredibly sophisticated technology and there's these like electronic like john deere tractors that

04:16:52.360 are running their entire farm so i mean like i think as society evolves necessarily we we chop off this

04:16:58.360 lower level of foundational skills but the level of specialization and knowledge requirements we have to

04:17:02.200 succeed today are growing increasingly higher such that in in eight years of uh lower education or

04:17:07.880 whatever or 12 years you might not have the skills you need to even compete today in the world right

04:17:12.120 like in today's world what is like one of your biggest like indicators of success it's not how well

04:17:16.680 you can farm it's not how much muscle mass you have it's not how tall you are it's your iq right

04:17:20.280 your ability to navigate with this increasingly sophisticated world and i think that's why that

04:17:23.480 maturation is being delayed is because you have to study so much to keep up with everybody i think that's

04:17:26.840 the problem with the college thing is people realize that people who tend to go to university are more

04:17:31.000 successful and i think there was an association made there that like university is what is causing

04:17:34.920 that and if you look at the average university graduate nowadays they are like unexceptional i

04:17:39.720 mean these people like vaguely enjoyed a chemistry class in high school and so they're like well i have

04:17:43.240 to go to college i guess i'll go get a four-year degree in biochemistry now they're working maybe in

04:17:46.680 that field or something but they're successful not because they have the degree that was like their

04:17:50.680 foot in the door because it was made illegal to test for iq um when you're hiring because they thought

04:17:55.320 it was racist but i don't know if you guys know this like in terms of job performance the best predictor

04:17:58.920 of that isn't even experience or education is your like raw iq and i think that you have actually

04:18:04.120 devalued the college degree because you have democratized and made it more accessible i don't

04:18:08.840 think that it's given people maybe that's a skill set that they would need to succeed in the world

04:18:13.400 we can just look in the market forget like uh whatever sjw we want to measure we just look at what

04:18:17.800 people are paid like getting a graduate getting a college degree is on our is inarguably conferring a

04:18:23.000 massive wage premium to you and it's because as you said now like the people that are graduating

04:18:27.000 in college are unexceptional i agree with that um but it used to be like the people graduating high

04:18:31.240 school a high school degree alone you said before like you know 100 years ago when we talked about

04:18:35.080 like good union jobs yeah not to knock people that were working in detroit but these people were not

04:18:39.000 highly educated people they were putting machines on cars and you know they they knew what they were

04:18:42.600 doing they were specializing their skill set but those types of jobs now those are ran by robots and

04:18:46.200 the people that are making money are the people programming the robots running those factories you

04:18:48.920 know and that's the increasingly higher burden that we have on skill sets today are even people like

04:18:53.880 jordan peterson talk about how one of the scariest aspects of society is we are creating a society

04:18:58.520 that is increasingly hostile towards like sub 100 iq people i think the thing he fixates on is like

04:19:03.640 below 85 iq there's like no place for you yeah like at that point yeah and even when we look at things

04:19:07.720 like um uh nafta uh the north african freight uh free trade agreement that trump trump upgraded some

04:19:13.160 other thing but like uh one of the big issues ran into here is like how do you retrain people at older

04:19:17.080 ages to fit with an increasingly complex economy and i think from all the nber research i saw about retraining

04:19:23.080 people i think what they ultimately ended up with was all the money that we spent on retraining

04:19:27.160 probably would have been better to just send them as checks and just have them work anymore

04:19:30.440 because our world is becoming so sophisticated that that baseline level of education is almost

04:19:34.680 a necessity to to cooperate with other people in this world you know and i think one thing that

04:19:38.520 the kind of like the leftists kind of forget is like like you know you ultimately you do have to

04:19:43.560 factor in that some people are just fucking retarded and like they are like they are can we need

04:19:50.600 people are fucking bomb not like you know like you guys are trying to fucking get my shit sorry

04:19:56.280 sorry sorry i'll take the cross on that one uh but the reality is like similar to your person

04:20:03.160 you're kind of um you gave an example of like the majority of people trying to get on the lifeboat

04:20:09.240 from the titanic right and like not everybody can get on the lifeboat you know what i mean but

04:20:14.920 i do think that everybody should strive to get on the lifeboat sure you know what i mean that's

04:20:18.680 that's why i think like encouraging people to do like trades and stuff is important because

04:20:21.480 absolutely we still need electricians and plumbers and carpenters extremely needed right now and

04:20:25.960 that's that i think that's gonna be the next big viral fucking trade people like

04:20:29.960 fuck me and crypto guy fuck trying to be like a dropout shipper like go to the trades because like

04:20:34.440 the trades are like i mean we talk about like you know construction diving welding underwater

04:20:41.160 electrician plumber you know these are extremely needed fields in the united states and they're

04:20:47.720 completely understaffed because everybody's too like trying to look cool on fucking instagram

04:20:52.200 that's a big problem but like the reality is i tell these guys too like you need to have a good

04:20:56.120 amount of dignity dignity in the sense of like you have a job at least as a man you can go home be like

04:21:01.400 i pay my bills i pay my rent my my mom doesn't help me my dad doesn't help me i have my own man i'm

04:21:07.160 my own man i pay my own bills i have my own career and i'm trending upwards i think that's a big thing

04:21:12.120 that a lot of guys need to do that's something we're also on like the left when it comes to education too

04:21:16.440 and i think the left failed a lot here you remember the hashtag learn to code movement

04:21:19.640 right yeah yeah yeah exactly as you get more and more educated people in society you have to stop

04:21:24.120 looking at people that do trades as like lower class uneducated one of my biggest pet but who's

04:21:28.760 the one doing that it's typically women uh like oh my god was he a plumber i think it's i think it's

04:21:33.800 educated people in general i think that the more educated you get the more you have mark's called it

04:21:38.520 the petite bourgeois right you get this class of people that aren't like the big business owners but

04:21:41.800 they're like the highly educated the lawyers the dentists the doctors and all of them highly educated

04:21:45.080 and broke nine times out of ten they're not people will say that like i'm a doctor and i've got

04:21:51.080 like 150 000 a debt i'd rather be a doctor with a doctor's skills no no no i'm not talking about

04:21:56.120 the doctors i'll talk about like these fucking you know these like i i i'm educated i have like a

04:22:01.000 gender studies degree or whatever they think they're educated okay we're getting a little bit off

04:22:04.760 topic here let me just try to my let's bring it back okay a little bit here learn to code losers

04:22:08.840 you're gonna pull up that tts yeah let's hold on

04:22:15.240 how much longer we got on this thank you for your patience seven years i mean i've got zins in so

04:22:19.640 we're chilling mr uh do you want to read it i married my husband mrs linds b donated 100 bucks

04:22:25.000 thank you she says i married my husband at the age of 19 in 2009 the majority of my friends are

04:22:29.800 stay-at-home wives and mothers we all got married young to men with similarly low to no body counts

04:22:35.000 destiny is right traditional traditional conservative women don't and won't fit

04:22:41.400 i think that's in reference to him mentioning that those types of women yeah don't want okay

04:22:45.400 19 year old conservative women aren't looking for 30 year old fuck boys we and we did this we did this

04:22:50.040 one right we did this one yep um i do want to bring billy in here just to give her a little bit of an

04:22:55.640 opportunity here um and then we'll pull up another soup chat billy this is your opportunity if you want

04:23:01.080 to just have a stream of consciousness for some clippable moments just like drop some

04:23:05.880 based uh do you have any opinions on this entire conversation you know tell us how much you hate

04:23:11.400 feminism um body count um there was one part i wanted to come in on which was how would we make

04:23:19.880 men great again um and i have built a platform on praising men i guess and trying to recognize men's

04:23:29.880 struggles um but i also want to make it clear that i do hold men accountable um i worked at a i

04:23:36.840 think i talked about this last time but i worked at a prison for four years all four years of college

04:23:41.080 i worked at a max security men's prison and i think that's what got me into kind of protecting men

04:23:46.760 and every single situation i dealt with in the prison i i tutored like four guys a day when i went in there

04:23:52.920 um did not have a father and i would say it was 50 50 50 50 of the cases the father walked out and 50

04:24:01.160 percent of the cases the mother would not let the father be in the um in the child's situation yeah

04:24:09.000 uh yeah in the child's life so

04:24:11.560 at least in the criminal side of it men fathers in the home play

04:24:24.120 like every situation i've seen so i wanted to make that clear that

04:24:28.520 me supporting men is doesn't mean i'm not holding them accountable are you saying that in order to

04:24:33.400 make men great again we need to keep this one our fathers in the home as possible absolutely i agree

04:24:38.440 that every every situation i ever saw with fathers not in the home was horrible it was basically

04:24:45.480 i don't want to speak on any specific cases but when fathers weren't in the home

04:24:50.600 um men went to a lot of gang related situations um and they would do things to

04:24:58.600 um fit into the hierarchy and and doing those things would be do you have any like just hot based

04:25:05.160 dating takes dating takes yeah what was wrong with those days gangs prisons you know we go to

04:25:13.960 they go to gangs in prisons because they have no sense of family and community at home because

04:25:18.440 nine times out of ten they're coming from a single mother household which is like

04:25:21.560 the bane on any existence of any societal single mother households are the cancer of this earth if you

04:25:27.800 want to have like a good stable functioning society single mother households are the absolute

04:25:34.840 antithesis of what you need to be doing feminism has contributed to that which is for sure thousand

04:25:39.240 percent that was why that was just like that was so interesting because they were like other

04:25:44.600 than feminism what is to blame for the collapse of the family structure it's like at that point

04:25:48.760 the slice of the pie chart remaining would be so obscure it'd be something like video games

04:25:52.680 i think a lot of not even video games not even video games no i i want i just want to say this

04:25:57.560 very quickly i agree that single parent households are a single mother yeah single mother households

04:26:05.400 is is bad i completely agree with you guys correct um however i think you have to take into consideration

04:26:12.040 that like just the pdf how this was what you wanted to see that's what you guys guys guys guys guys

04:26:16.440 let her talk please please it was you did hey guys let's let pixie you're playing tongue

04:26:23.320 hockey with your eyes please stop let's let pixie speak i feel like a lot of times when people use

04:26:29.560 this rhetoric what they sometimes paint this false picture that it's okay for um people to stay together

04:26:36.600 if it means not being a single mother household um even if this situation the relationship is super

04:26:42.360 toxic abusive you know just not healthy so i agree single parents single mother households are

04:26:48.280 horrible completely agree with that but i do think they're better than staying with somebody um if

04:26:53.560 he's being abusive to you if he's hitting you you should not raise your child in the environment you

04:26:57.800 should get your child out of there because that person is being a danger to your family to you and to

04:27:02.760 your child so i agree with that yeah well that is still an anomaly i mean like we mentioned

04:27:07.640 this is a true statistic 80 of couples can recover from that in five years and i think it's

04:27:13.480 fundamentally selfish and you can tell because the type of people who say that they're like well i just

04:27:16.920 wasn't happy so it's better for it's better for the child it's absolutely not it's not better for

04:27:21.080 the child but they think that because they're so prideful they don't want to address whatever

04:27:25.160 they're doing wrong and their partner is probably because water seeks its own level probably just as

04:27:28.920 prideful and narcissistic and doesn't want to address what's wrong and fix themselves and so they

04:27:32.600 think well i'm not happy so the child must really not be happy it destroys especially young

04:27:37.080 boys if they don't have their father in the household they're not socialized properly like

04:27:40.360 they're literally screwed for the rest of their lives daughters they don't it's not as effective

04:27:44.360 to them i mean they like get a little bit more promiscuous with the guys they date but in terms

04:27:47.640 of like literally just like derailing someone's trajectory in life young girls can more or less

04:27:52.280 recover pretty well but boys are like if their dad's yeah i just wanted to say as someone who's studying

04:27:56.920 law i take a lot of criminology classes and it is true that men who are raised in single

04:28:01.800 mother households end up becoming criminals because of the lack of the father figure in their life

04:28:05.960 yes as she was just making that point yeah criminals homeless suicide promiscuity

04:28:12.600 i think it's important to shine i just think it's important to shine light on the whole fatherless

04:28:18.440 things shine it it is that's not you chase who's making the noise on the ground can somebody stop

04:28:23.480 like somebody's banging my fucking is it this no it's not that somebody's like there's a audible

04:28:30.760 i'm not weird i can't hear it just i don't care who it is just stop please

04:28:33.880 melina what was it that you yeah i was just curious i just wanted to see like an honest uh

04:28:37.880 answer on this one if there's someone that's very very young might be really religious and

04:28:41.720 like values marriage a lot and goes into a marriage and has kids when they're like 18 19 20 and then

04:28:50.840 a year into the relationship it gets really really abusive from you from both this is so

04:28:56.600 anyone anyone really go on go on hypothetically i'm just yeah even though it might be rare from

04:29:02.520 what you guys think uh if it would happen what would you recommend for those people to do would

04:29:08.120 they divorce or do you want them to keep going in the relationship you can't divorce i mean that's

04:29:12.520 not a real thing uh you can like separate see his catholic background shines through he knows

04:29:19.480 you can separate but you can't actually divorce that's not a real thing even though it might be like

04:29:23.800 physically abusive you got to endure people are too you want to stick in people are just

04:29:28.600 i mean look people nowadays are just pussies everybody quits everybody gives up it's too hard

04:29:35.320 i'm this xyz this is why i'm special so i could up this entire situation based upon me being special

04:29:42.120 and the reality is people just haven't learned to fucking endure there have been hard times in

04:29:46.280 relationship i'm sure you guys had hard times in relationship any relationship has hard time and it

04:29:51.480 is what it is you need to push through and you need to endure because we're in this

04:29:55.800 hold on because what we're in this situation now like where everybody's just creating this like

04:30:01.000 super nuanced like one percent example of like well what if the kid's fucking transgender black and

04:30:07.400 abused and he's a black lives matter supporter like cool okay i get like that one fucking my new

04:30:13.560 situation that might be in that situation what would you recommend okay

04:30:16.840 i'll tell you what i'll tell you what i'll tell you what i'll tell you what i would do

04:30:23.000 if if my daughter was in a relationship with a guy and she gets married to him and he starts abusing

04:30:27.800 her a year into it i'm gonna be showing up on their doorstep and teaching him some lessons that's

04:30:32.920 that's what i would do i also would not if if if i didn't have the you know capacity to do that for

04:30:39.480 some reason i don't know i wouldn't want my daughter in that situation quite frankly and i understand the

04:30:43.720 argument to endure because i have people close to me who grew up in abusive households and it

04:30:49.720 lasted for periods of time and it was a phase and they endured through it and they ended up raising

04:30:55.080 healthy successful families to an extent so you would say that to stick in those relationships that

04:30:59.480 might be abusive to everyone involved and a child if there's i'm not saying like hey stick in the

04:31:04.440 relationship and get the shit beat out of you by your husband i think you guys i'm just asking

04:31:09.800 you what you believe i'm just telling you i'm not telling you extreme thing i'm just asking you what

04:31:14.760 you think if you just stick in that relationship or not it's it's it's such it is such an extreme

04:31:19.720 example that i can't give a prescription for what other people should do there is there is an element

04:31:24.600 of of how do you guys feel value hold on hold on there is an element of value in what he's saying

04:31:29.480 but i all i can tell you is what i would do as a father of a daughter in a situation like that

04:31:34.360 do you have opinions about third trimester abortion it's terrible look at how quickly you can do it

04:31:39.800 do you know how rare third trimester abortions are they're also really but you immediately had a

04:31:43.640 visceral reaction to that right there are households where parents are abusive to children like that's

04:31:47.880 not like an unfathomable thing but for you to have that immediate visceral reaction to a type of

04:31:51.480 abortion that's so incredibly rare but i mean we're talking about like a guy like getting drunk and

04:31:56.200 like you know beating beating his wife occasionally versus like somebody puncturing a woman's stomach

04:32:01.000 with a needle and injecting euthanasia into the baby's eye socket i'm just saying all i'm saying

04:32:05.800 is that third trimester abortion is incredibly rare but you have a visceral immediate reaction to that

04:32:10.360 but to hypothesize on could there but okay so so so let me ask you guys in the catholic church i know

04:32:15.960 that there's like annulments for marriages and stuff are there that was a mistake are there no

04:32:19.400 exceptions for like if a guy is beating his wife constantly no there are but now a woman could as well

04:32:24.360 right hold on hold on well there's also a distinction drawn between if a woman's beating

04:32:27.960 a dude hold on hold on hold on guys a civil divorce a legal divorce and an actual divorce

04:32:35.720 of a marriage it there's a distinction drawn in the catholic church where it's excusable to get a

04:32:42.360 divorce in the legal sense i mean look i'll just i'll i'll say this i know there's like the christian

04:32:48.360 catholic position and all that kind of stuff well if a woman is in a situation where she's getting the

04:32:52.120 shit beat out of her by her husband and like he might kill her yeah she should leave the marriage

04:32:56.520 in my opinion but statistically like that's not what it is it's kind of like with the abortion

04:33:00.680 anomaly that's not like the majority of abortion so let's like talk about what actually happens and

04:33:04.840 what actually happens when people are getting divorced isn't these types of scenarios it's like

04:33:08.040 literally initiated you'll probably know the stat between two-thirds and eighty percent of the time

04:33:11.960 by women and the plurality of that reason is they feel unfulfilled they want a new chapter in their

04:33:16.200 life it's like the eat pray love phenomenon that should be outlawed you legally actually should not be

04:33:20.600 able to do that yeah but then again i'm going to say the exact same thing i said before where

04:33:23.960 sorry sorry 56 of the time with divorces uh one or both spouses cite pornography as one of the reasons

04:33:33.400 why their relationship has to come to an end an irreconcilable difference what's the percent hold on

04:33:39.400 what's the percent of abortions divorces that are initiated by women brian 78 80 percent 78 80 80

04:33:46.280 percent and what percentage of those women have college degrees well it jumps to 90 percent if

04:33:50.680 they're college educated real wait hold on hold on wait wait wait hold on you guys misquote that all

04:33:56.600 the time the percentage of divorces by women with college degrees is lower as they have more education

04:34:02.040 but of the women that have college degrees when they have divorces there's a higher percent so just

04:34:06.280 to be clear you're better off marrying a woman with a college degree than not because those marriages

04:34:10.360 have a higher success rate but when divorces happen they have a higher you guys i hear that stat

04:34:15.000 finagled a lot on these shows but they are extreme i agree with that i want to ask one more

04:34:20.200 scenario okay please what about if uh two people get married they have a kid and then the wife starts

04:34:25.400 cheating do you think they should divorce absolutely they should divorce then jesus himself

04:34:32.280 and you could like work things through right jesus himself said in in cases of adultery divorce

04:34:36.600 is so you think the divorce is worse than physical abuse for the children sorry you think that cheating

04:34:42.280 is worse than physical abuse for the children yes i think i think i'm not going to say divorce

04:34:47.880 divorce is worse for the children i already said i already said that if a woman's getting abused

04:34:52.360 yeah i think she should leave like no if it's a if it's a brief temporary thing like what if it's

04:34:57.480 mental abuse okay you're getting your child up for failure as well if you stay in like these abusive

04:35:06.600 marriages yes it is because you're literally every single psychologist we can like google it right now

04:35:10.840 if you want we'll agree that oh you're the patterns that you have at home are going to replicate in

04:35:15.720 their future right so if this child gets used to seeing their other loved ones and probably them

04:35:21.240 being talked down upon um being treated badly they normalize that behavior so it does it does get

04:35:26.600 passed down generation yeah you're correct you're setting them up for failure in the workplace and

04:35:31.720 relationships i just want i just want you guys to understand this is like the reason why i sit on

04:35:35.880 this podcast and like extol the virtues that i do is because it's like i think we need more

04:35:41.080 righteous biblical masculinity in the world where you actually have good men that are going to be

04:35:44.920 good leaders of their households they're not going to beat their wives or emotionally or mentally

04:35:48.520 abuse them or any of these things like that's why i continue to do this podcast with brian

04:35:52.440 because we need to make men great again so that we don't have these situations continue yeah you're

04:35:57.080 talking about liberal men who would get epically triggered like snowflakes and be like you're

04:36:02.360 equal to me i'm gonna beat you up but there's probably gonna be cases where there are like

04:36:06.040 really really horrible marriages and my question is would you recommend those people to like choose

04:36:10.760 happiness and like divorce and try to like be on their own because being in the relationship makes

04:36:14.760 them really really unhappy maybe even suicidal who knows do you think they should rather stay just because

04:36:19.960 they're trying you're taking they should go to church and return to god you're taking a very

04:36:24.680 very issues go away you're taking a very wait wait let's say if your partner is being really really

04:36:29.640 really bad to you and there's like so many things that he needs he needs therapy but he's not doing

04:36:33.880 it do you think that the wife in that case should stick around for that even though it might be really

04:36:37.800 bad for her and the and the child um you're taking you're taking an extremely nice hold on you're

04:36:44.280 taking an extremely niche example you are i don't think it is okay well i think there's a lot of so

04:36:49.080 listen you're taking an extremely niche example and you're blank and statementing it for like

04:36:53.720 the entire solution i'm not saying at all i think that i think you are though no no no i'm not saying

04:36:58.840 because you're saying like what if the guy is like beating the wife yeah and then like the kids are

04:37:03.800 like they love black lives matter because i never because i never talk i never see you conservatives

04:37:11.560 talk about problems like this i'm not a conservative first of all how dare you assume my political

04:37:16.280 affiliation about problems that might happen in a marriage i think i always see you guys talk about

04:37:21.400 i always see you guys talk about how you get there and all these things but when it actually comes to

04:37:25.080 like happiness and like mental health i never see you talk about any of it and like this is what's

04:37:31.160 i want to make the point this is why i tell people that they need to find god and go to church

04:37:35.480 because it's like all of these problems that you're describing if somebody authentically has a

04:37:39.080 relationship with christ and they're living in alignment with the word like it's going to mitigate

04:37:42.520 99 but i do know conservatives that is going to church and they still abuse their partners

04:37:52.840 i'm asking if you're going to stick so wait wait you know conservative would you say would you

04:37:56.840 tell them to divorce it would you still to come out in an abusive relationship you say you know

04:38:00.920 conservative men right now that are beating their wives no i'm saying that they probably exist

04:38:05.240 right i mean i'm asking you what would you say to help those what would you say to liberal men who

04:38:10.520 are beating their wives yeah but it's not the same yeah stop being her yeah but it's a lot easier as

04:38:17.080 a liberal if you're non-religious to just divorce right the point but if you're really really religious

04:38:21.400 like really heavily and you have a lot of pressure from your parents and like society if

04:38:25.640 it were like the group that you're coming from the culture it's going to be a lot harder for you to

04:38:29.240 divorce but you have the pressure to stick because you guys are saying like no matter what happens

04:38:33.480 you stick in the marriage even though it might be but again to go to go but melina to go back to

04:38:38.600 the point one second to go back to the point that i was making you know encouraging people to go to

04:38:42.840 church if somebody's in a situation like that this is a concern that ought to be brought before the

04:38:48.280 church and taken care of with the elders and the other people that are there and like let's say john

04:38:52.600 is beating his wife right and his wife comes to the church leadership and she's like hey like this

04:38:56.840 is a problem with two black guys you know at that point in time the church leadership can step in

04:39:01.800 and be like yo john why are you beating your wife which honestly i appreciate them asking

04:39:05.480 a lot of institutions wouldn't do that yeah and and they ought to and and this is this is

04:39:10.360 i've already told her twice this is a positive this is a positive social pressure that comes with being

04:39:15.560 a part of the body of christ and like actually being involved right like there's so many benefits to

04:39:20.280 people seeking god and going to church and like being a part of a community like that where a

04:39:24.840 situation like you're describing arising like there's going to be a ton of social accountability but when

04:39:29.080 people are atomized and they're separated from the rest of their community and stuff and they're

04:39:33.000 you know they have like a secular conservative home you don't have that social net to like

04:39:37.560 people used to get lynched for doing things like that i think the issue is like the broadest in the

04:39:42.200 most macro broadest sense i think the big disagreement is it feels like on our side it feels like we're

04:39:47.400 talking about relationships like they're meant to be enjoyed and you guys are talking about

04:39:50.600 relationships like they're meant to be endured absolutely i mean to an extent a relationship

04:39:54.040 i like the difference i think you're totally opposite i disagree with the idea wait wait wait

04:39:58.600 the idea that they're just meant to be endured again it's another false dichotomy right like you're

04:40:03.400 saying he agreed i did no yeah no no no you do have to endure you're saying it's you do you do have

04:40:09.960 to endure look you have to endure marriage comes down to in my opinion my humble opinion as a

04:40:16.040 single 28 year old man you know i can't speak from experience but it's like i listen to guys like

04:40:21.480 jordan peterson and he makes incredible points in the sense that there is a lot to be enjoyed in

04:40:25.720 marriage like you guys are describing but also at the same time it takes personal sacrifice it takes

04:40:30.600 endurance it takes like sticking through thick and thin and like really sacrificing for the

04:40:35.720 relationship it's not all it's not going to be daisies and roses the entire time i mean i think you

04:40:40.120 can agree that majority like nowadays the majority of like average people and people in general just

04:40:44.920 give up too quick on anything i don't know i think that the disagree you disagree you think

04:40:49.480 people are like it's more to like push through things and like not having that we can survive

04:40:54.760 better independently without relationships so women's standards for enjoying relationships is

04:40:58.520 getting higher that's true we're having an issue like trying in america well in most of the western

04:41:03.480 world probably which is all failing there's also a lot of it's the most successful compared to what

04:41:08.200 i mean what are we failing to yeah i mean failing as a nation failing in obesity what nation

04:41:14.280 are we failing compared to well let's see america uh let's see obesity rates are on a climb let's see

04:41:19.800 we can't get you're not answering the question what country or what other like you know what are we

04:41:25.000 failing to okay so let's talk about failing in regards to obesity we're the no she's asking for

04:41:30.200 an example of a country that's doing it right ironic so right no you we don't need to listen you're

04:41:35.960 you're saying we're failing as a whole that suggests that there's a measure of success what

04:41:40.040 countries no no no no no no no no it's like 100 years ago yeah that you're trying to say like we

04:41:45.400 need to find another country that's doing right but i'm just saying no wrong is wrong and we're

04:41:48.680 doing it wrong like if we're trending in the wrong direction like we're getting fatter we cannot meet

04:41:53.560 military recruitment and like what the holy shit okay no uh my bad drug use is at an all-time high

04:42:03.640 uh self-deletion is at an all-time high uh single mother households going up uh american education

04:42:10.760 on every front is like dropping in numbers so like every objectifiable number yes america's trending in

04:42:16.920 the wrong just listen hold on hold on the west is falling let's get to a super chat real quick brian

04:42:23.400 pull it up super chats coming yeah i gotta have it ready victor apostol said uh hi brian and panel

04:42:31.640 again enjoying your content i have joined a support group for young adults slash teens just to be

04:42:36.120 prepared for when my kids grow up in case i screw up in any way there are 45 45 younglings there the

04:42:42.600 issues they go through start at parents mismatch word it was uh true thank you okay let's let me get

04:42:49.640 the i think you supported us thank you thank you you guys i don't know hey thanks for that bro

04:42:55.240 uh do we have any more super chats yeah did we do this one robert harold thank you 100 bucks

04:42:59.880 thank you for one 99.99 to destiny others who aren't christian and don't believe in the bible

04:43:04.600 i pray god softens your heart so you can experience his presence that should be a capital h and the

04:43:09.880 overwhelming love capital h he has for you he has i pray this plants a seed in your mind and you ask

04:43:15.720 god to reveal himself to you he will amen amen amen appreciate it we have uh caesar quintana thank you

04:43:23.000 let's be honest women say everything is abuse yeah facts so true there is truth to that so true there

04:43:29.000 there is truth it's like cut like steven crowder was not abusing his wife at all that was just

04:43:33.320 blown over that was a that was three minutes like three minutes of him making a mistake sorry for the

04:43:40.600 tens of millions of dollars i've made baby i'm having a i'm having a moment as a human right now

04:43:45.400 wait if you make money if you make money you can act like a pig no but he made a mistake you're taking

04:43:50.520 a three minute judgment on a guy of like a fucking multiple years plus that's true but that three

04:43:56.280 minute judgment looks pretty bad yeah but come on let's be honest you do not get that angry in

04:44:00.040 a relationship i get worse than that yeah that's what i'm saying that's what i'm saying that's what

04:44:03.720 i'm saying what i'm saying is somebody saw a three minute clip of me at my worst of lena and they

04:44:06.680 were like i'm sorry were we interrupting your sound effects with our podcast content

04:44:11.640 my bad brian you want to step away for the camera sorry for the hour and go

04:44:14.440 sorry brian my bad brian go ahead go ahead we'll just be quiet yeah my bad go ahead

04:44:18.920 this is so right why don't you bring up a topic this is literally so aids this is so

04:44:22.600 fucking eight true thanks true queen well actually i have a question for you yeah

04:44:27.720 shout out to the chat counting my white claw account they're at seven they're accurate

04:44:33.400 i am what the hey what's i have white claws you want one i would have been

04:44:36.760 mock risk elisa take one take one writing that white claw wave bring them on bring

04:44:40.520 one no no no no just just let's let's keep it moving that experience with crazy girls

04:44:44.040 i don't bring them on don't bring so wait you at some point in the conversation

04:44:47.720 you did you recently decide to wait until marriage or have you always just felt that

04:44:53.960 way i've always felt that way because maybe i misheard maybe i misheard

04:44:57.560 i did you previously have like a hookup phase or something or no okay i must miss her i mean i've

04:45:03.320 always been this way because i was raised like extremely extremely conservatively christian

04:45:08.360 so okay i've always felt these values i also have a i wrote a note here sweden has failed

04:45:13.000 um have we i think sweden i haven't been there for four years so i don't know what's going on over

04:45:19.640 there she's the official ambassador i think yeah norway's a little more based oh shit thank you

04:45:25.240 ronda's core apostle donated 301 dollars i am not supporting any point 45.000 teens are really

04:45:34.520 screwed up man not small issues problem is people should be careful when choosing their life partner

04:45:41.240 i see no simple solution for this most of them are from us western eu needs a lot of work

04:45:47.800 slash talk definitely supporting our side i'll tell you what the solution is an authentic return

04:45:53.640 to god true the reason people aren't careful is because it has become less valuable of an institution

04:46:01.160 because it's so easy to get out of it like how could you truly value something that you can undo so

04:46:05.160 easily do you think people do divorce like it's the first or second option because usually when people

04:46:09.400 divorce yes yes it's built as a solution to all marital problems no it's not i have anecdotes for

04:46:17.560 days it's so real there's that's an anecdote we tried the stats this is my starter husband

04:46:27.080 it's summarizing an attitude towards marriage that doesn't take it seriously but women fare worse

04:46:31.400 in divorce in every measurable metric and they're the ones that initiate it so something's clearly not

04:46:34.840 women that would require that they're rational beings how do women fail worse in divorce they

04:46:39.000 can they can divorce guys they take all the money primary caregivers of their children i mean they

04:46:44.040 can just divorce rape their husbands with no fault you can't normally divorce rape your husband

04:46:47.960 that's not how that happens all the time for only 10 percent of marriages pay out in alimony

04:46:51.320 can we just say divorce sexual assault

04:46:54.760 wait we can't say divorce no he said divorce divorce without the pc version now it's him chase said

04:47:02.040 it how dare you i did i did it's over you're like the biggest liability right now no dude just

04:47:08.280 violating tls left and right that's all right i saw my room was texting you earlier you're doing a great

04:47:13.480 job wait what myron is oh yeah watch it uh i'm so confused i'm plantless he's he's joking he's joking

04:47:23.400 i'm texting myron right now like you texted chase yeah we got any other super chats no we're i think

04:47:29.080 we're good on the super oh wait you want to look at some of the lower ones um wait is it oh 999

04:47:36.200 wow that's a thousand dollars victor you're throwing me under the table here bro do what

04:47:44.280 you must oh my god what are you doing how long was it he just mute you for 10 minutes who victor who

04:47:52.360 do you want muted he didn't ask and you shall receive bro this guy's he just made it for 10

04:47:58.120 minutes dog who did he mute me he's saying ask and you shall receive wait i think he's saying yeah me

04:48:03.480 oh because earlier you're i need to get muted if they muted you you would do it maybe yeah wait

04:48:09.560 mute me i'm pretty sure that's what he's saying bro wait scandal wait it's over brian wait this is

04:48:17.080 my show now i'm the captain now mute the femme oh wait who do you want me who do you he's in my

04:48:22.920 instagram who do you want uh victor who do you want muted is that rippy jg he's just mld he's just mld

04:48:30.360 mute me okay all right what mike what mike number is that i'm mike number seven jesus i guess it's

04:48:39.320 it's 1202 right now you're done until 12 12 12 bro that's a lucky number by the way uh we're gonna

04:48:45.400 wrap here pretty soon we're gonna wrap here pretty soon we're gonna wrap here pretty soon

04:48:50.520 we still have we still have 17 000 viewers watching i don't think they're very godlike okay they're not

04:48:54.840 very godly not the thumbnails brian oh my god that's right i don't know i just like you're kind

04:49:00.120 of you're doing the only fans thing here but we're just posting like kind of like ludes to get money

04:49:04.120 and then you're getting all these donations you know you would know yeah i know that you're not

04:49:09.160 wrong let's go hypocritical go harder not wrong go hard well what do you think my position is your

04:49:15.000 position is why you're using them why you're using the thumbnails with the half but why because it gets

04:49:19.960 clicks are you muted hey mlb is muted bro you're muted mike seven is muted i'm mike five

04:49:27.800 bro bro someone someone just spent a thousand dollars to mute you

04:49:33.240 number mike five come on scuff jesus my producers can't even do basic math hello

04:49:39.320 melana who said seven those girls i'm kidding i'm kidding i love you guys this image out there

04:49:49.400 you guys are using them you should beep it what's what's your point you guys explicitly asked for

04:49:53.960 it though to be fair that's what we asked for what for more cleavage and yeah i don't explicitly

04:49:58.280 ask for anything i literally watched my when my buddy was on the show you were like pull your

04:50:01.480 hair to the side so i could see your boobs yes who yep not me not a very god i don't remember

04:50:06.360 what's not me matthew mark luke and john does jesus say can brian is not a moralist he's an

04:50:11.080 everyman i'm an everyman brian brian doesn't claim to be a christian he just says he's a man of god

04:50:17.320 whatever i'm just a man of god you're not acting very godly if you do that absolutely you guys are

04:50:21.720 right well if chase ran the podcast it wouldn't be like chase is trying to correct it's true if it

04:50:27.240 well if it was up to chase i don't even know what the thumbnail we have women in burkas on the show

04:50:31.240 you know we were gonna bring the the girl who got you're gonna bring her back in a burka

04:50:37.880 it would be just the eye slit just the eye slit bring her back in a niqab where her eyes are

04:50:42.680 covered too thank you mary for the defense there um yeah i mean just the thumbnails like you know you

04:50:47.960 gotta you gotta do something a little eye-catching you know i'm a man of god you know but like i'm a

04:50:54.120 man of god but when i stream i just like lean a little forward and then the viewers just got

04:50:58.200 the donuts drop and look far how i look i was looking out for her like i'm a nice guy you know

04:51:03.240 so i was like she's got only fans i was like look her fucking titties are obscured let me let me throw

04:51:09.160 her a very selfless of you i'm just a very i'm a nice guy you're a very good person i'm a i'm a good

04:51:13.000 guy i was looking out for for far farha listen yeah can i wingman for her destiny listen do you know her

04:51:22.680 i had a talk with her after the show and she told me yeah that she is in love with you wow

04:51:29.160 that's amazing she said that to me and listen i want to do i want to facilitate this budding

04:51:35.480 beautiful relationship i'll talk later because she was telling me things that chase was saying

04:51:39.720 about you he actually that's cap the leg shaking and everything that you guys are always sitting

04:51:44.360 together and the vibration and the you know this we can all explore something destiny sowing seeds

04:51:50.280 of homosexuality on the show i'm not sowing this is observing the girls okay this is this is

04:51:54.760 and i think there's a lot of girls don't project your homo stuff onto this side maybe that's why

04:51:58.840 you were walking away taking breaks over and over again because he's got a lot of

04:52:01.800 she's moving bro he's like a vampire well you can't talk at all i mean technically uh we were

04:52:09.160 no no that's not that's not that's not farha that's not who farha is far farha yeah yeah she

04:52:14.680 yeah where are we at okay we have uh farha also objected to something that i'm trying to remember

04:52:20.760 something oh here we go muhammad hussein i'd recommend you having a conversation with muhammad hijab

04:52:26.200 i thought that didn't make it first about islam rather than a charlatan like daniel

04:52:30.280 haki kiti tuchu brian i'd recommend checking his channel out as well to see islam's response

04:52:35.000 to the problems y'all have been talking about uh yeah i'll check it out destiny how would you

04:52:38.920 for the wreck how would you like living under sharia law jesus it's about the same as christian law

04:52:43.400 to be fair not really pretty similar yeah it's pretty similar with this guy over here saying

04:52:47.880 it should be illegal to get divorced i don't know it's pretty similar so it's one of those things

04:52:51.320 where like the woke are more correct than like yeah he's right like is it yeah i mean thank you

04:52:56.360 base can't you like beat your wife that is the thing can't you beat your wife if she drives or

04:53:01.880 something like sharia law has to has to compensate for being incorrect by like being more brutal where

04:53:06.680 it's like disagree i'll kill you christian law is true so it's justified insofar as that true he's

04:53:12.040 not beating his wife because she's driving he's beating his wife because he knows if she drives

04:53:15.240 she'll kill somebody else see like you can see like you're like there's a greater purpose to

04:53:20.280 everything you'll like this fantastic you'll like this because it's a superhero movie remember in

04:53:24.200 spider-man 3 i'm like i'm like spider-man and you're like eddie brock and you've got like the

04:53:27.800 symbiote i'm like trying to pull you out of it like in the final battle i can see it's still there the

04:53:32.360 remnants of it otaku made a great point he said christians don't throw gays off roofs yes this is

04:53:37.240 correct why not i feel like christians have a pretty rich history of prosecuting it's like homosexual

04:53:42.280 people but look look where that got us uh let's do uh let's do a fit check flan life i know you're

04:53:47.080 probably not still in the chat forever donated all the uh fifty dollar or excuse me the uh fifty gifted

04:53:51.960 memberships from way early on in the show we got to do a fit check the check is where we stand up

04:53:57.800 and you show us what you're wearing so like you know we get the fit we see the fit there's the

04:54:03.080 click base right here i know let me go first uh everybody just at the same time oh we all did at

04:54:07.800 the same time and mostly just that side of the table from dude we just kick back no i want everybody

04:54:12.760 to do it everybody wants to see come on don't be shy all right all right make sure my ultra

04:54:19.240 where are those jeans from these oh these are high quality wrangler jeans from walmart and if

04:54:23.480 everybody including destiny can do a spin like let's do a little spin can we do a little spin

04:54:29.880 wait wait wait i'm not doing it mary's a dignified woman of god thanks with a boyfriend true and a

04:54:40.280 cool card i guess all right okay cool that was thank you wait hold on wait chase show the guns

04:54:47.400 let's see the guns chase let's see the tries we don't get any from california so

04:54:53.560 walk myron you want to see mine yeah actually yeah let's see yours double buy a little double

04:54:58.280 buy action are we wow that's actually impressive walk my that's impressive hey uh destiny is this

04:55:05.240 death by snoo snoo or what she loves me too much usually what do you bicep curl what do you bicep

04:55:12.280 curl weight or overhead press or shoulder press oh shit who shoulder what are your numbers the bench

04:55:19.000 what is the bench right now she benches kilograms because of sweden she benches 95 for 10 reps wait

04:55:24.760 can you pull she squats like 165 for five reps how much do you weigh like probably 140 60 kilograms

04:55:31.160 oh sorry the deltoids are pretty solid too i reckon she can deadlift uh 225 could she hip thrusts like

04:55:37.800 fucking almost 315 i think question can you do pull-ups on the stream right now would you be down

04:55:46.600 could you squat destiny right now i have heels on okay and i'm not taking those off because then

04:55:52.120 i'm barefoot and that costs money okay so that's a good point 10 pull-ups or 10 chin-ups pull-ups

04:56:00.760 no yeah chin-ups maybe i can do i think like seven pull-ups or something cut me out on some of the

04:56:06.120 donos we'll talk all right we'll see what we can do we'll see what we can do um nicole m said destiny

04:56:10.760 has a cute body thanks oh wait nicole nicole okay cool oh my instagram is uh instagram.com

04:56:18.680 destiny she can hit me up okay my mic time up is over is it oh shit he's back i don't know

04:56:23.400 you got you got three minutes three three minutes i think you got three minutes return of the king

04:56:30.600 oh my god okay um any one final thought before we wrap up the show christ i'm tired

04:56:36.040 mld's dying to get back in i just wanted to say okay it's completely limited you brought up the

04:56:39.960 witcher 3 earlier right you said that uh the sex scenes of witcher 3 but it opens up with girl

04:56:46.600 it opens up with him ass butt naked with his dick out i'm sorry i'm sorry i just i just wanted to

04:56:51.720 just throw that in there i just wanted to i'll check it out later i love that game have you ever played

04:56:58.520 fable uh i haven't i haven't played a lot of rpg stuff because it plays really poorly on stream people

04:57:02.840 get really bored watching me play that stuff but yeah do you play world of warcraft

04:57:06.120 fuck no do i look like a don't ask that bro world of warcraft personally attacked right now

04:57:12.760 like i am i played like fallout 3 i played a little bit of new vegas i played like which

04:57:16.840 one's your favorite um i like the original fallout 3 oh i like new vegas

04:57:20.760 yeah all right i am curious closing thoughts that's what the podcast sounded like earlier

04:57:32.600 except that times four what were you saying let's go around closing thoughts on the the discussion

04:57:38.040 get your get your final super chance this is really nice actually i'm very happy i feel really

04:57:42.200 good yeah this is really good to hear okay it's good to hear um yeah i enjoyed it i had a fun time

04:57:48.440 follow me at pxie pixie and thank you for having me on sometimes i wonder i worry on these shows

04:57:55.160 if like actual physical presence can dictate like talking time because i feel like you had a lot more

04:57:59.320 to say but you're kind of like crunched in the corner i know you've got a lot to say but you're

04:58:02.040 kind of like crunched in the corner i wonder if you guys had a bigger table if it was totally

04:58:05.720 the corner of doom the corners are so difficult to speak in

04:58:09.000 what is fifth wave feminism will save society what is fourth women returning to traditional

04:58:26.680 values back to the kitchen ladies back to the kitchen back to the kitchen is that even feminism

04:58:31.480 though that's that's that's that's my new way god all of that is like a humiliation ritual

04:58:36.040 to all the feminists me and my cool friends it's fifth wave feminism because they're going to be

04:58:39.720 back in the kitchen doing only fans oh yeah disavowed sexual disavow nev um nevarius nevarius

04:58:48.280 that's your name uh follow me on instagram nev robot shout out to my uh best discord friend chrome

04:58:54.360 face karma uh do you want to say anything that destiny like you said well i had a nice chat thanks

04:59:01.480 do you want to say anything to him what what do you mean you said before the show like you

04:59:05.160 wanted to say something to him oh say anything well no he's he's he's you're pretty yeah i

04:59:10.280 he's pretty he's pretty no i think chase is pretty actually i will say

04:59:18.520 hold on no wait not before marriage what chase can wait okay no no no like that

04:59:25.000 no chase i just wanted is she your type the whole podcast she has been saying to me no no no

04:59:33.240 no no she's been saying what expose her

04:59:36.680 no no no no no i never said that she definitely said that no no no this is her mom bro hey do you

04:59:47.320 guys i'm trying to set up the match hey eric you want to tap mld's boyfriend hello

04:59:54.280 yay mld closing thoughts for us bro take us home i am going to be continuing my youtube tour so i'm

05:00:00.360 going to be on sneeko this upcoming week i'm heading to miami tomorrow so i'm going to be on sneeko

05:00:04.520 jetta diabela value taming money brandon carter's victory talk and i may or may not be on a fresh

05:00:10.760 and fit after i'm kind of like talking myron into doing it tomorrow night so check me out there in

05:00:15.800 regards to all this stuff i mean just big shout out to brian who has maintained a colored hair

05:00:22.680 uh so far i think the stress is going to eventually turn in full gray but big ups to you bro you're

05:00:28.360 you're holding it down and then um yeah i just think like a lot of people giving destiny

05:00:32.440 grief like you need to kind of like apply like the the red pill beliefs if you will across the

05:00:38.840 board which is he's his own man he's living life on his own terms so like you gotta do have to give

05:00:43.720 him some respect in that sense can i add to that i i will say destiny i thought i would definitely

05:00:49.160 dislike you but you had some very interesting points and i i definitely respect yeah i would

05:00:54.600 like to apologize for calling you a cuck i apologize i didn't know that your wife i'm glad

05:00:59.400 you don't no apologies i appreciate that okay make this chance to apologize to absolutely nobody

05:01:07.960 all right mary good good time no apologies nice talking um if you want to follow me on twitter

05:01:14.120 or instagram it's both mary archived and the show i'm on is called pop culture crisis if you want to

05:01:18.920 check it out check out your show guys it's a good show thanks uh john doyle what you got for us uh

05:01:24.440 i guess i would have to respectfully disagree with my good friend here on some of the red pill strategy

05:01:29.720 it's just you know ultimately it's like a cheat code for mastering the things of this earth at a greater

05:01:34.440 level of sophistication i think the only way to truly live is to give your life to jesus christ and

05:01:39.480 to pray that he uses you as a vessel to fulfill his mission um and i do actually i do have to extend an

05:01:44.440 olive branch i do respect a lot uh that destiny came on with his wife because he knew what he was

05:01:48.360 getting into and people give him a hard time so that does say a lot about his character even if

05:01:51.560 his marriage is sort of an abomination uh it is it is good uh that he would at least in that regard

05:01:57.240 he has more honor than a lot of other people who operate within his coalition so that is good

05:02:02.200 do you have a response to that destiny i'm gladly an abomination nothing would make me proud proud

05:02:07.000 abomination that's the pride yeah you're a little icky are you an abomination you're a little icky but i like

05:02:12.840 your taste yes you have he's gonna go home and cry over his millions of dollars and all the women

05:02:17.720 after him i will be crying now chase who also worships god but clearly a different one than this

05:02:22.040 guy same god different approach towards okay gotcha is it even that different though men beating their

05:02:29.080 wives very much seems like an old testament guy versus the new testament guy yeah there's a name for

05:02:33.720 people that only like the god of the old testament by the way i am a i am an old testament respecter i will

05:02:38.360 tell you that okay um yeah closing thoughts first off i want to thank you guys for the good faith

05:02:43.880 discussion this was i enjoyed it i enjoyed it a lot of interesting points raised you guys super cool

05:02:49.400 exposing yourselves being vulnerable like this on the podcast like he said you guys knew you'd get

05:02:53.320 roasted i think it takes a lot of courage and bravery to do that grateful you guys did um people

05:02:59.080 that know me know that i believe that a return to god is the thing that will heal our civilization and

05:03:03.080 even though you guys have your disagreements with that i firmly believe that and will preach that

05:03:06.440 until the day i die and uh if you guys want to follow me you can at sovereign bra on instagram

05:03:12.200 and twitter uh sovereign and then b-r-a-h um also for the fam in the chat drop a christ is lord and a

05:03:21.720 deus vault in all caps let us know that you're still with us and uh yeah also everybody follow follow

05:03:27.880 john doyle oh yeah i make uh offensive internet content at youtube.com slash john doyle uh i'm a

05:03:33.960 real normal well-adjusted guy i'm sure you'll like it a lot you should definitely go check it out

05:03:39.480 all right cool so i'm youtube.com destiny and she's where do people find you um melina at

05:03:45.080 twitch.tv slash melina and then melina dr ronson on instagram and youtube and on tiktok i think yeah

05:03:50.680 follow me on youtube also modern life dating modern life dating one word mld for short i was just on

05:03:55.960 one american news you'll see me uh onlyfans.com whatever go check it out um by the way guys we have 16 000

05:04:03.160 people still watching can we get the likes to 10 000 can we get 10 000 likes yeah right now fam uh

05:04:09.240 seven brian is bringing you guys free content every freaking week multiple times a week smash that

05:04:16.600 light button support our boy brian come on this guy up here he was upstairs fighting for his life

05:04:23.160 and now he's back here okay come on brian is sacrificing life and limb to bring you guys

05:04:28.200 entertainment support this man yes it is uh it is uh there's there's a lot of physical

05:04:36.520 okay it's like a dangerous job all of us your hope you endure so yeah it'll be fine appreciate it

05:04:41.880 appreciate it uh arch arch duke france ferdinand what you got for us um i just want to say this was a

05:04:48.440 really great podcast out of all the ones i've been here for this is a really good

05:04:52.280 good one all you guys did a great job wait who what who are you

05:04:59.800 is she like a is she related to someone here or is it is it she's my sister oh yeah wait i can't

05:05:05.320 tell if you're fucking with me or not no like we're related yeah do they look related it's like

05:05:10.200 are you racist hello my dad full blood both parents yeah

05:05:14.520 cool okay we're also related apparently so yeah we absolutely are we're all ready

05:05:22.760 should i just like bro your parents are related

05:05:28.520 damn that's not nice oh my god chase would never settle for a i don't know where i'm

05:05:36.120 no no no no leave me alone leave me alone stop by the way that's a big l for your boyfriend for

05:05:40.520 you no no no i don't like him i don't like him like that i don't like him like that bro you're

05:05:44.440 with it doesn't fucking matter she has a boyfriend she's got a fucking boyfriend

05:05:50.840 can we get f's in chat

05:05:54.680 this is motivation for the boyfriend if he's yo break up with her right break up

05:05:58.120 i just said he was handsome all i said was he was yeah that's a that's a big l over

05:06:01.720 that's a big l for the fucking boyfriend you can't be whispering on the podcast

05:06:05.640 i didn't say that 20 000 people to billy rich the next generation of cut clips being made right

05:06:10.680 i never said that right in the fucking chat no no i never said that tell them that it was a joke

05:06:16.120 it's a joke this is what this is what i'll say this is what i'll say my girlfriend who had a

05:06:20.440 background in dancing dance with another guy there might be a stern conversation but if she were on

05:06:24.920 a podcast whispering oh he's so cute i don't know i would go sean connery mode so quickly you'd beat

05:06:31.000 her ass no i did not say that no divorce yo by the way

05:06:40.280 i'm lowering the uh tts trigger to 69 and if any of you ridiculous people want to get a tts in

05:06:46.360 at the end here yo when are you going to send more money for brian send more money now

05:06:50.600 and like fixing your freaking neck bro there's not much i can do man i'm in physical therapy but

05:06:56.120 have you tried acupuncture yet i haven't i should try i've heard amazing things about acupuncture

05:07:00.680 yeah um you're everything i hate yo i thought just chronic lyme disease acupuncture i dude i i

05:07:08.920 thought i look on the i will give you that on the acupuncture thing i thought it was bs i've heard

05:07:13.560 from like a half dozen people they tried it and they were like dude it changed my life so be free

05:07:17.800 chat be free the chat is now off of members only mode be free if you guys want um anything else

05:07:23.960 else last call last chance you want to apologize can you please apologize to your boyfriend no i

05:07:31.320 i legit didn't whisper that like legit bro you legit said that you should bring him or bring him on bro

05:07:36.600 you've been i the out of chase the entire show

05:07:39.400 oh my god he's too old for me you're gonna get your channel delisted first we're saying i

05:07:44.760 fucking oh my god yeah careful but billy please i said it was a joke bro i i watched that video

05:07:55.560 i don't know if there's like a miscommunication we didn't say paused oh there it is we said over

05:08:00.280 it's over it's done we're not coming always the man of god we deserve destiny yeah

05:08:05.880 well very thanks yeah thank you man tts is at 69 if any of you mad mad men want to get a last

05:08:13.400 minute thing in here uh guys we're almost at 10k well we're 2 000 away from 10k likes if you can drop

05:08:19.480 a like please on the video um do we do the patrice clip no i don't think so that's over overplayed um

05:08:28.840 feminism is cancer hello based clearly based clearly true i'm just trying to get like a little

05:08:35.560 last minute back and forth feminism is the cancer that killed my grandpa what the

05:08:39.880 feminism is the beautiful thing that allowed all the lovely young ladies to be on this podcast today

05:08:43.960 so thank you thanks i'm glad we got there i appreciate everything mary nav um billy pixie

05:08:52.200 billy and pixie i had to say amelina my lovely wife if you want like a last minute like influx of donos

05:08:57.800 we have to give out like our most controversial take that is still tos friendly

05:09:03.800 i'm not a bad idea who here is kind of gay

05:09:08.200 i was a catholic we did a lot of kneeling okay oh here here okay how about this i think taking

05:09:12.120 dicks in the ass from other guys is kind of gay but true but only one of us here tonight

05:09:16.120 is do whatever you want to do

05:09:20.200 yo you just got you just got roasted also i'm not a part of whatever he just described

05:09:24.760 but he's still but brian still hasn't sucked dick and you have so

05:09:30.520 there's a big thing there's a big no there's no dick sucking on one side and dick sucking on the

05:09:37.080 other so anyway i'm just defending brian because he can't i'm just trying to get the

05:09:41.160 out of here okay so that makes me get frank castled i'm going for it what's your most

05:09:44.680 controversial take no no no no i got two i got the idea i don't want to i don't want to carry

05:09:49.960 that cross right now here i got it i got it okay i got two i got two uh i recommend men don't go

05:09:57.080 down on women all right eating them out yeah no no going down on women that's gay pretty no that's

05:10:04.440 fucking based as fuck eating pussy is gay what how many dicks have been in that oh wait i got

05:10:10.440 one oh um wait what was the second hot take the second hot take is uh men should not pay on first

05:10:15.400 dates wow based oh my god 50 50 50 50 50 50 50 make the woman pay all up front he's making a woman

05:10:23.880 pay for a guy that's not even gonna go down on her that's base that's pretty giga chat no i would pay

05:10:28.440 for my split the check what is what i mean that's oh split the check oh that's not even a hot take

05:10:33.720 bro come on out that's the norm oh guys super hot feminist take women should be able to vote

05:10:39.640 that's the norm though in uh dude come on brian brian that's that's the norm in tokyo in japan is

05:10:45.560 split i've got one first date that's what feminists say you should do donated 70 dollars

05:10:51.240 great raw dog podcast and shout out to all

05:10:53.960 rule i don't think that this is the solution but i think it makes far more sense than what

05:11:00.440 we're doing now in terms of incarceration how our criminal justice system works i'm sure all of

05:11:05.080 you are familiar with certain loyalty programs at coffee shops wherever you get a punch card right

05:11:09.320 you know your eighth punch card you get like a free coffee or something like that i think it makes

05:11:13.640 more sense than what we're doing now to like upon your eighth felony arrest you just get executed by

05:11:19.320 the officer on site going through the process that is not a db it doesn't have a thing it makes

05:11:25.800 more sense because it's so much more expensive hold on hold on hold on so based big ale take bricks and

05:11:31.480 eating smiley cat face davon i disagree with you on this one in washington dc the average person who

05:11:37.960 is like arrested for a violent offense has been arrested not for violent defenses but just in

05:11:42.120 general 11 times prior all of the people we have right now they're locked up in prison for the rest of

05:11:46.760 their lives i'm not talking about people where it's ambiguous they still get convicted it's obvious

05:11:50.600 we have dna we want the ice cream video it's still a burden it's like translating the burden

05:11:55.240 from being on the public and safety and things like that to now it's a burden on our tax dollars

05:11:59.320 sucking out of the system these people do not deserve to be alive so so how do you

05:12:03.320 it's a hot take so yeah so hot take how do you what is the legislation on the execution is it like

05:12:09.240 45 caliber straight in the brain or two in the chest one in the head how does that work out

05:12:14.200 shooter people they can get like you know the kicks off with this sort of job or something like

05:12:17.720 that all right so how are we killing them okay let's not talk about this

05:12:20.840 you guys are really trying to nuke this

05:12:27.240 for the record i thought that was awesome is talking about death it's not it's to us

05:12:31.240 how about how you're going to kill someone execution

05:12:33.880 no we didn't get detail okay that's fine

05:12:38.680 all right what if they're strange here strange guard 23 70 bucks he said mr doyle when are you doing the

05:12:43.880 ice cream video also you you should do a video about whether zeppelins are inherently left-wing

05:12:48.440 wait hold on let me answer this question with a question in homage to our friend who departed

05:12:53.160 what is your favorite flavor of ice cream destiny not precisely my answer is really boring because

05:12:58.040 the answer is going to be the best flavor which is chocolate chip cookie dough that's actually okay

05:13:02.280 that's not what i expected the uh it is chocolate chip cookie dough okay that's interesting the idea

05:13:06.760 with that is i made some comments i think in a video actually about pornography that's uh vanilla ice

05:13:10.920 cream is inherently right wing because it exists you know as vanilla it's in its natural state it

05:13:14.840 doesn't have these additives to enhance it for you degenerates who have eroded your dopamine

05:13:18.760 receptors so you can't perceive vanilla as good as you know these other flavors did you take your pills

05:13:23.560 today and no i didn't i didn't take anything anything like that thank god but it's also i think

05:13:29.160 interesting because typically vanilla is used as a as a buzzword like oh that's so vanilla that's so

05:13:33.640 bland they use this to describe anything that maybe people on this side of the table would regard

05:13:37.400 to be sacred or good and i think that's just destructive to tell people that they always

05:13:41.560 need to like chase this dragon of novelty and variety in order to get enjoyment out of life

05:13:46.920 which is why i like what's my answer to rocky road after that

05:13:49.960 look at this entire personality no heck off commie except when it comes to sharing someone else's

05:13:57.880 entire on-screen persona next time steal a sense of humor too oh can you restart that you

05:14:03.960 you stole nick you stole nick flente's personality where is nick flente's personality give it back

05:14:10.440 that's like obviously not true i mean and the thing is it's like his audience are like these zoomers

05:14:14.840 wait now i can totally see it oh god the gesticulation yeah yeah i can see it so that's

05:14:22.040 like a trump thing you know it's like the donald trump you know the way he talks and a lot of like

05:14:27.480 yeah no it's the way we talk the way we gesticulate all of these young zoomer content creators are all

05:14:31.960 trying to mimic donald trump to be funny like that's like what that is um in terms of like

05:14:36.200 being a young right-wing catholic male i didn't know that there was like a monopoly in that we need

05:14:42.680 yeah but the difference is you talk to girls the death no i got in trouble for that recently

05:14:48.680 actually but yeah oh my god no i can't i can't it's like the dark knight yeah let's go schaefer

05:14:55.080 meister we've been trying to get you on the show i mean that's on you buddy who's who

05:14:58.760 bro we got to bring in schaefer meister we've been trying though right that's my boy okay you

05:15:03.240 got to bring him in all right i'm trying to i feel like i'm forgetting something but uh

05:15:08.840 it's a day i have a hot take well doyle rules lucky full metal said john doyle for president

05:15:13.240 okay for vice president president why would you burden us with checks and balances that's such a

05:15:17.560 that's worse than marriage i mean come on but yeah cool all right um anyways guys last call hit

05:15:22.600 that like button please on your way out get us to 10 000 likes please really would really appreciate it

05:15:27.400 big thank you for tuning in tonight you could have been anywhere in the world but you're here

05:15:30.440 with me i appreciate that thank you to everyone who super chats and supports the show the uh

05:15:34.760 support tonight was really overwhelming thank you guys uh so much for your patronage big thank you to

05:15:38.920 the uh wonderful panel uh tonight you guys were awesome it was a very lively conversation destiny

05:15:44.840 thank you so much for uh coming all the way from uh florida much and well everyone else for coming

05:15:49.320 from all your respective uh geographic regions uh your time zones yeah your brian can i say something

05:15:58.040 real quick yeah guys if you guys liked this stream throw a w in the chat and also smash the like

05:16:03.560 button to support brian please thank you guys thank you and uh i just want to see oh uh wait what was

05:16:10.680 your hot take you said you had a hot take oh yeah mexican food is not good that's that's a

05:16:14.520 fucking and what's the fuck bro dude yeah deport her do we kick you off the show

05:16:25.080 okay have you ever been to a ikea she's literally swedish okay they barely have

05:16:29.560 edible edible food over there okay okay i'll say

05:16:32.680 swedish food sucks okay it's really bad ikea food's good though no it's not

05:16:37.400 can you please go back to your trailer no it's not that's a real hot take right there liking mexican

05:16:42.120 food is just like a cultural psyop to placate people on demographic change that's right i'm not

05:16:46.760 elaborating absolutely absolutely the queso at chipotle is a psyop

05:16:52.680 we're good all right we have two super we got two super chats oh my gosh oh my god cringe

05:16:58.520 said red pills say wives control 80 percent of the household income but then say that women get

05:17:02.920 divorced for financial reasons maybe for the ultra ultra rich no shot for the average marriage

05:17:07.320 facts facts it's melina's melina's problem for buying toilet paper got it next you want to read

05:17:13.640 it this yeah the fact that happiness metric is segregated using socioeconomic such cultural

05:17:17.800 numbers is bs for example the happiness levels in in india are far higher did fresh donate this

05:17:26.280 are far higher than happiness levels in the usa the fact of the matter is that all of these are

05:17:30.040 intertwined which has to do with traditional values that exist in the culture based true

05:17:34.120 based all right and then savvy thank you for the uh what currency is that that's

05:17:39.880 rupees that's indian rupees and uh schaefer meister 100 looking forward to it boys let's go let's get

05:17:45.400 you on the invite's been there let's get you on the show come on jordan i'll text you let's let's uh

05:17:51.720 get it scheduled okay sweet and uh oh i just wanted to say one other thing oh my god

05:17:56.760 mld number one mld number one my legs hurt from sitting i drink your milkshake

05:18:10.520 i drink it up because milk oh sorry okay all right that was so gay that was so

05:18:16.200 i'm milking it i thought it was a he calls me milkers mld number one bro i can't wait to read

05:18:27.400 the comments after this it's gonna be wild um just really quick on everyone just to thank thank you to

05:18:33.560 everyone who uh supported the show your patronage really does not go to waste i try to reinvest the

05:18:38.600 money i make back into the podcast we just bought a five thousand dollar computer a thousand dollars for

05:18:43.800 a new audio mixer we got five new microphones 400 pop these sm70s um and i'm not like trying to ball

05:18:51.480 out i got one car i bought it 10 years ago toyota in 2013 i wear costco sweatpants five dollar t-shirts

05:18:57.400 twenty dollar flannel so i'm not trying to ball out like i really do try to like reinvest your patronage

05:19:03.000 back into the show and uh okay we have uh let's see oh uh any women who want to be on the show you

05:19:08.760 have to dm at bd underscore atlas because our whatever instagram thing is scuffed it's bugged

05:19:15.560 i'm trying to contact instagram it's nearly impossible um anyways guys we will be live again

05:19:21.160 sunday at 7 p.m pacific we have pearl from just pearly things she's gonna be destiny's favorite

05:19:28.120 creator yeah just his favorite uh we have we have a couple of cool uh other guests coming so be sure to

05:19:34.040 tune into that and then tuesday we have another good show too so uh some really good solid guests

05:19:38.920 on the way so yeah sunday 7 p.m pacific is our next show that's it for tonight guys thank you guys

05:19:44.520 once again so much for tuning in have a good night oh madison final thought should we say it

05:19:50.200 i already said my final thoughts oh you did yeah okay all right i just want to say thank you for

05:19:54.760 all the support in the chat you guys i really appreciate it

05:19:59.640 cost more than his clothes hello okay um yeah we'll see you next time

05:20:03.160 oops jesus christ we'll see you next time good night guys good night

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