Dating Talk #79
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2 hours and 51 minutes
Words per Minute
191.32985
Hate Speech Sentences
174
Summary
In this episode of Whatever Works, the crew talks about the latest in mobile, streaming, and social media trends. They also talk about the new streaming service, Streamlabs, and much more. Shout out to our top 3 Big D's of the month: Badz, Exe, Victor, and Mike Davis!
Transcript
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La donna è mobile, qual piuma il vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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Sempre un'amabile, legge addroviso, impianto in riso e menzognero.
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La donna è mobile, qual piuma il vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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La donna è mobile, qual piuma il vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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A few quick announcements before the show begins.
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Shout out to our top three big D's of the month.
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Yeah, so like I said, if you have Amazon Prime, you can link it to your Twitch.
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It's a quick, free, easy way every single month to support the show.
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We'll check back in there a little bit later on in the stream and shout out the other followers
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Also, check out my nonprofit, Big Labia Matter, huh?
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We don't have any posts yet, but, you know, whatever.
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We have Grassroots Movement, empowering women who may feel self-conscious about their large
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We're going to be on break for two to three weeks.
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If you want updates, either Twitter or Instagram.
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Some of you might not know, but I've been having chronic neck pain issues, and that's
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So, honestly, probably the most stressful couple weeks of my life.
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So, I've got people I consider friends betraying me, backstabbing me, people talking shit, people
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There's a lot of disruption going on right now.
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I'm, like, running around putting fires out every single day.
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But we do have some really big guests planned for when we come back, and I'm working on
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So, be sure to tune in once we're back from the break.
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Also, as the title suggests, later on in the show, we are going to address some of the flaking
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Normally, I just take it on the chin and let it slide, but there's some particularly egregious
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If you guys can't catch the full shows, we have three Clips Channels.
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I'm going to, we're so close, guys, to getting 100K on our second podcast Clips Channel.
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Guys, can you get us to 100K on tonight's stream?
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Whatever podcast Clips, then we'll get another YouTube plaque.
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Anyways, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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So, please, tell us your name, age, and occupation.
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My occupation is social media, and I prioritize, sorry, prioritize my time on OnlyFans, Instagram,
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Because I believe that people try to determine my knowledge based off my age.
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Well, we're not, no one here at this table is making any assumptions.
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Are you saying you're more knowledgeable than you look, or which way are we going?
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No, because I think that I'm younger, and I believe that most times when you're having
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an intellectual conversation with somebody, it is very hard to state your points without
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No, my heart's beating like a thousand miles per second.
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But I just, like, sorry, what I was saying was, like, basically, like, growing up, having
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people look down at me because I'm younger, I've learned a lot in how to speak to people
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and properly speak, in the sense of, in person, this is a little new, but.
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So, you don't want to be judged because of your age when it comes to how people perceive
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What if you told people your real age, I don't know, let's say you're 20, and then they're
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like, wow, I'm blown away by how smart this 20-year-old is.
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I, yeah, I think you can go both ways, but that's just my preference.
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Um, are there any other basic biographical things that you're going to choose to omit
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Um, let me see if, uh, let me see if, let me ask, if a celebrity were to ask you to reveal
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Um, I have a famous birthday, so I'm pretty sure that says it, but not in my bio.
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Because I don't want people to judge me based off my intellect.
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I mean, aren't there plenty of other reasons why people could judge you?
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Like, is age really the primary factor that people are going to judge you by?
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There's not one other thing that someone might judge you by?
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But that's just something that I hold, like, close to myself, right?
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But the reason I'm kind of being persistent and pushing back on you on this is if you're
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so prepared to refuse to answer such a simple biographical question, I mean, what other,
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you know, questions are you going to choose to not engage in?
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What if more people are judging you because you won't say it than if you had just said it?
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People are entitled to their own opinions, and I'm open to hearing other people's opinions.
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I'm 30, and I'm an adult film star and an OnlyFans model.
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You can find me on Instagram, fearless.femininity.
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I'm 21, and I'm a branded stylist through Nordstrom, and I do content creation and social media
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for them, and I'm also a student at Cal State Northridge.
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I'm 29, and I also own a caffeine gum business.
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So, I used to play in vanilla back in, like, 2005, 2006.
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I played it from launch, and then I quit right before AQ40.
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Dude, I was in a hardcore raiding guild, and we had loot council, and I got screwed over
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on a couple loot decisions, so I was like, you know what?
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Are you, like, parsing, you're speedrunning, you're pumping 99?
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It wasn't, like, white main or Harad or any of that shit.
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I mean, I got screwed on some loot decisions, but I was...
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Like, we were one of the first guilds to clear MC.
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I crafted Heartseeker, and I had the blue dagger from...
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So, he had two epics, and I'm here with two blues.
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Then there was a few other shitty loot decisions, and I was, like...
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So, we're going to go around the table once more.
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Well, we're going to have everybody share their relationship status.
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Do you get married, fiance, boyfriend, whatever it may be?
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I have a boyfriend, and my longest relationship was eight years.
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Is that your current relationship, is the eight-year one?
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I'm single, and I've never been in a proper relationship.
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What's the longest period of time that you've seen a guy?
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But you wouldn't consider it a proper relationship?
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No, I just found some things that I shouldn't have, and I'd like to keep that private.
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Well, I wasn't allowed to see anyone else, but he was, so that's okay.
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But you said you were in a situationship, so I mean, were there any conversations about commitment?
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Yeah, I was told I wasn't allowed to see anyone else, so I didn't.
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But he actually came forward and said, listen, I'm going to see other people.
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I was at where we were staying, and I was taking care of our dog.
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Okay, so six months, and how long ago, was that recent that that ended?
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Well, not from, but lit in L.A., at least, right?
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I've been out with friends, but I've never been on a date.
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Well, okay, let's, for all practical purposes, let's include, like, a date.
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But you say you go out with friends, so do you...
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I assume you mean you go out, like, to party and go to bars and clubs and stuff?
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Um, I like going out in the sense of, like, the beach or, you know, dinner with a group
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of people or home with a group of people, but...
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You've never just had a guy say you want to go see a movie?
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You got bullied out of five different high schools?
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No, two different grade schools and then three different high schools.
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Were you, like, smoking weed in the bathroom or what?
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I dressed differently than people and I was just more outgoing and it kind of just slowly
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changed over time until I kind of got a chance to come out to California and meet
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Was it other girls bullying you or was it boys?
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I think I kind of got both ends of it, but I think it was worse with girls.
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So, how did you meet the six-month situationship?
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I'm single and my longest relationship was three years.
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I'm single and my longest relationship was two years.
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I'm in an open relationship, and my longest relationship was over a year.
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How long have you been in your open relationship?
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So, when you say open relationship, can you give us a little details on that?
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I mean, I do porn for a living and have a porn agent and stuff, so I told him from the start
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So, when you say porn, you mean, like, you're having intercourse with other men?
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He's totally cool that we've been friends for a while.
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He's pretty, like, by his own choice, loyal to me.
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But, just a point of clarification, because you do adult content, right?
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So, when you say it's open on your end, it's open on your end to facilitate you doing your work,
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I'm just like, are they sticking around because they want the porn money, or are they...
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Are you just with him because he lets you do all of that?
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No, we've been friends for a long time, and he's a really good person, and I like him.
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Kelly, you can take your microphone down towards you and a little closer, please.
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And so you knew him before you got into this line of work?
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No, I've been doing this line of work for four years.
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Wait, so, but are you, like, hooking up with other people outside of your work?
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But, so it's an open relationship to facilitate you being able to do the work that you do?
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Did you meet him as a result of this line of work?
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I met him through friends, who's roommate, was one of my friends.
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And you said you're also in a situation like that, kind of.
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Well, you're getting paid to have sex with other men.
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What if he got a job getting paid to have sex with other women?
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So for you, you're sleeping with other men, though, correct?
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And would you be upset if he was sleeping with other women?
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And just a point of clarification, so all five of you do OnlyFans and porn.
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Not, some of you don't do porn, but you do OnlyFans.
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Can you just clarify, who, excuse me, which of you does BG content, show of hands?
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Um, I try to shoot, like, one to two, um, OF collabs a week.
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But with, as far as porn goes, it's pretty sporadic.
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What is the difference between porn and an OnlyFans collab?
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Um, well, the difference is, like, porn is more like a set.
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And there's usually some kind of script, or they're telling you, basically, you know, what
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Is this with other men that have their own pages?
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Or guys that you're meeting on Tinder or something?
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No, I, right now, I only collab with guys that have OF as well, or women that are on OF.
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Oh, Eric, can you scoot the pop-up chat over here?
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I was fresh out of high school, and I hit the pole.
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Why did you get into it, if you don't mind me asking?
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It was kind of like my only path, so I took it.
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Speaking of money, um, how much, how much do you make per month?
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I don't really like to say exactly how much I make, to be honest.
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Do you want to give us, uh, five figures a month?
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Yeah, I don't like to, like, be completely, like, this number.
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Um, I'd prefer not to share mine, but I make enough to live my life.
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Okay, what about, well, it's so funny, like, you say personal, but, like, what, you say you
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post your nudes online, it's just, like, isn't that very intimate, but, like, you're.
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What, oh, well, I mean, you do OnlyFans, perhaps I misunderstood.
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That's for everybody else to figure out, you know, gotta buy the content.
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Madison, can you prepare one of the Spartan elements for me?
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Can you just get one of them, just get them ready?
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Wouldn't you want people to know that so they can decide whether or not to subscribe?
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Guys, do not go to her OF unless she discloses what she posts.
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I'm sorry, that's, it's personal, it's between me and whoever messages me, you know?
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But do you post nude, like, is it, is it tasteful lingerie photos, is it nude?
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What is the average price of an OnlyFans subscription?
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Mine's 15 a month, and then, like, they can buy stuff in the DM.
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I can get customs, custom videos, and then, like, unlock videos that I send to them.
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What's the most frequent custom type of thing you're doing?
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It really depends on, like, what they want, but if they, like, you know.
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Can I just give a number instead of the figure thing?
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I graduated, actually, from a continuation school, but I still got the same diploma as everybody
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I would say the same, like, $10,000 to $20,000 a month, six figures a year.
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Okay, but I, look, if I, you don't need to make faces if I'm asking you to stop doing something.
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Like, we gave pre-show instructionals to not tap on the table.
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I asked you to stop, and you made, like, a whole face about it.
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I'm in a relationship, and this is my longest one.
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I've been married for two and a half years, which I, I don't know, that's probably about
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We've got a two-year-old toddler, right now a daughter, and we've got my firstborn son
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Bro, did she really get triggered because I asked her to not tap her nails on the table?
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Well, I told her to stop because I was pretty stern.
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I was like, hey, can you stop tapping your nails on the table?
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And then I was like, I don't need the attitude.
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She wanted to be combative about me trying to have control over the show.
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I just told you to stop fucking banging your nails on the table.
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Okay, let me just address the kickoff really quick.
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Before both of the shows she's been on, we give a pre-show instructional.
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And we pretty strictly say, hey, please don't make any audible fidgets.
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It's a little harder for you guys to hear it on the microphones, but we hear it here,
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I would have to go back and play it back and see if I was a little like, yo, can you stop tapping?
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Um, but, like, she gave me attitude when I asked her to stop tapping.
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You weren't harsh at first, then it got a little bit harsh.
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Well, no, I, okay, so, and if you guys think I was harsh, that's fine.
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When I first asked her to stop, oh, my God, thank you for the 20 gifted.
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I was harsh when she started making faces, I think.
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But, like, when I asked her to stop tapping, was I, like, a dickhead about it?
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Like, at first, it was just, like, stop tapping, but...
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And then you were, like, can you not make a face?
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Yeah, she made, like, a face that I asked her to stop tapping.
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Like, teaches women to be, like, feminine and, like...
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I think she was kind of offended at all of her answers.
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Yeah, when we were talking about porn, she did give a face.
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Or not a kickoff, but was I harsh when I was like, hey...
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Okay, so, uh, let's see where we left off here.
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We're just getting a couple things situated here.
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Uh, Madison, did you share your relationship status?
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So, for those of you who are single, which is you,
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you and you, um, what does being single really mean?
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Let us read every text message on your phone right now.
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But, I just try to focus on, you know, doing my shoots.
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And then I end up not thinking they're attractive after, like, spending too much time with them.
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So, it's you generally that is, like, ending things with them after a couple days?
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Do they get turned off when you tell them what they do?
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Sometimes they get really excited and they start asking a bunch of questions.
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Like, they're a fan, but I actually don't want to date those guys, like, because they're...
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So, you don't like men that consume the content you make?
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I love men that consume the content that I make, but when they start treating me like
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a fanboy and asking me a bunch of questions about my job, then it becomes, like, I am my
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What's a question that they might ask that you don't like?
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Um, are you in it for the money or because you actually like it?
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Do you guys take, like, guys that are in the same, like, kind of field?
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Do you, like, in social media or something like that?
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Or do you guys like regular guys who be low-key and shit?
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I've dated, like, two guys in porn and two guys out of porn.
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I feel like those questions are, like, kind of common.
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Let's say you were working as a secretary at a bank or something, right?
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You know, where do you want to be 10 years from now?
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I feel like guys don't ask how much money you make.
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I feel like if you're dating, if you've gone on, like, five or six dates,
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Do you have a man ask how much money a guy makes?
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they'll ask, like, how much do you make in a shoot,
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and what's a shoot like, and blah, blah, blah, blah.
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so if you want more of your patronage to go towards whatever,
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please do it through Streamlabs, streamlabs.com slash whatever.
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You should have a show where it is like six gay OnlyFans guys.
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Oh, well, we can talk about the flaking issue later.
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Anyways, why don't you ever ask the real questions in life like Pennell's thoughts on aliens?
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Brian, any gears moving to get Sam Hyde on the podcast?
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That would be easily one of the most viewed shows.
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I haven't conversated with him at all, but we'll see.
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I think this is when we were talking about World of Warcraft.
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Dude, been watching for a while since Bangs was on the podcast.
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Hey, but Curtis, really appreciate your super chat, man.
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It's got to turn the negatives into positives, you know?
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As a truck driver looking to quit his pee addiction, what advice could these girls give
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to me if I want to reestablish intimacy with my partners?
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My dude, you are asking the wrong group of girls this question.
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Then you'll be able to reestablish your intimacy with your partners.
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Because if you keep watching porn, it's going to ruin it.
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He's a porn addiction, and he doesn't like, I don't know if it's like he doesn't like
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having sex with his partner, or there's no, like, intimacy with his partner.
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That was a good suggestion, to watch it with your partner.
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Would you women date a man that's a porn addict that's watching porn every single day?
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I think most men watch porn almost every day, am I wrong?
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Yeah, it depends on if it gets in the way of the relationship.
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I think it's human nature to be attracted to more than one person.
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I said, I think it's human nature for people to be attracted to more than one person, even
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though they're in a relationship, but it comes down to the commitment within the relationship.
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I think it's probably not human nature to jerk off while staring at a phone screen two
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And I have no normal sexual intimacy with real life human females.
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No, no, no, no, okay, so I misunderstood what you were saying, but I'm saying more like
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a standpoint, like, if you're going to, like, walk down the street and look at another woman,
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like, there's a possibility that you could be attracted to that other woman, even though
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I mean, you could, like, even if you're in a relationship, you can acknowledge, like,
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I think the differential is, like, if you're acting on it.
00:44:55.480
You're acting on it, and so if you're jerking off to porn featuring another woman, you're
00:45:00.460
Well, I wasn't thinking about, like, the full, you know, I saw watching, that's it.
00:45:11.260
You can't be intimate without watching other people have sex on a TV screen on a bunch of
00:45:18.360
That we can't have intimacy without watching other people, because we can.
00:45:24.200
And he was showing me girls that can, like, deep throw, and, like, trying to teach me
00:45:30.920
It's like you're a part of it, so it's nice, you know?
00:45:33.760
I think that that guy should take videos of his girl and jack off to those.
00:45:40.740
That guy, he should take videos of his girl and jack off to those.
00:45:55.880
Yo, Brian, females fall into place when Mike Davis gives instruction, because that's Mike
00:46:02.240
Brian, no disrespect, King, but you come across as snappy and out of element.
00:46:06.460
We'll sit down one-on-one and show you how a true alpha male conducts business.
00:46:13.720
Erica, it's sad that no one has taken you on a date.
00:46:16.140
Someone should take you to a vineyard to do wine tasting, although you've got to be 21+.
00:46:20.320
Would you be able to go to something like that?
00:46:25.620
Would you be able to go to something like that?
00:46:29.040
What if she's like low-key 30 and she's just embarrassed?
00:46:47.820
Well, it means prostitutes are technically, to be honest.
00:47:14.160
So like prostitutes, strippers, porn stars, OnlyFans, girls, people that sell feed pictures.
00:47:18.380
If you're making someone bust, you're doing sex work.
00:47:27.680
I'm sure I could think of some example where like some dudes...
00:47:36.800
You're playing games and you're wearing a sweater every single day.
00:47:39.220
You're not revealing yourself, but there's some guy with a crazy fetish and he's jerking
00:47:43.880
So is that female Twitch streamer who's not intentionally making sexual content because
00:48:00.000
She should be flattered that some weirdo in Malaysia is jerking off to her?
00:48:04.520
If she's in just a sweater, do you think she's that hot?
00:48:14.680
Wait, but so you said that if someone is, you're making money from someone busting to your content,
00:48:24.520
Bro, there's probably dudes masturbating to this shit right now.
00:48:30.680
Because like I already said, if your intent is to be like...
00:48:36.140
Um, one in the chat if you're masturbating right now.
00:48:42.180
There's probably some dude just whipped out his dick and started masturbating.
00:48:48.700
I guess it's kind of a gray line, honestly, because you do have a bunch of sex workers
00:49:10.940
There's some people that are like, I don't do sex work.
00:49:16.740
I was going to ask, because I'm not talking OnlyFans girls.
00:49:19.580
Do you think most OnlyFans women would say that they're prostitutes?
00:49:24.360
I think prostitute is like, not a PC term, it's a very dirty term.
00:49:28.840
A prostitute is someone who sells pussy for money.
00:49:33.020
To a lot of people, I don't think it's that dirty of a term.
00:49:35.240
Well, I mean like, wouldn't whore be more offensive?
00:49:40.680
I think prostitute's a little more charitable of a term, don't you think?
00:49:53.020
I think whore is a bit more disparaging than prostitute, but, you know, whatever.
00:49:59.460
It's true, they prefer escort, yeah, that's like the nicest way to say it.
00:50:05.680
All right, Eric, could you pull up, there's a tweet from someone named Gia McCool, which I
00:50:11.780
thought was interesting that we're going to read to.
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Okay, so, can you mouse wheel up just a tad, make it a little bigger?
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So, Gia McCool, there's this misconception that when you're married, you must be boring,
00:50:33.580
dress like the Amish, never post photos online.
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We need to move forward from this while keeping the positive aspects of tradition, plus adopting
00:50:56.300
I think she considers herself kind of trad, but she's a coach, author.
00:51:01.360
I think she's trad, but she's saying, scroll back up really quick.
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I mean, this is kind of interesting to me where, and I'm going to open it up to the
00:51:17.880
panel on this, where basically people want the benefits of tradition, but they want also
00:51:28.760
So I guess my question to you related to that is, I mean, I know some of you guys do this
00:51:33.920
for work, but maybe if you didn't, do you think it's fair to demand men act traditionally, but
00:51:50.640
I think it's important for their own, like, minds to be, like, masculine men.
00:51:59.700
I think, like, if a guy's paying for the date, the girl paid, like, for her hair, nails, makeup, outfit.
00:52:08.300
I think men are happy with themselves when they're masculine.
00:52:12.820
When it comes to sex outside of the relationship, if they're not getting paid for it, I don't
00:52:18.260
If I'm only doing it for work, it's not as enjoyable as sex would be just for fun.
00:52:23.620
So if we stay loyal in the relationship together, then I wouldn't count me going to my job as
00:52:31.260
And hopefully I could find someone that feels that way, but not everyone agrees.
00:52:35.240
I think that it's fair to look at it as a mutual standpoint.
00:52:38.520
If somebody's asking you to do something, you should be able to do things in the way that
00:52:44.220
So if a guy were, if you, like, met a guy and he was, like, you know, you were into
00:52:48.040
him and you wanted to be in a relationship with him and he asked you to stop your OnlyFans,
00:52:53.620
But only given that he was an actual traditional man, that he was fulfilling his masculine role.
00:53:04.320
If you found your dream guy and you said, listen, I need you to stop OnlyFans, you would
00:53:23.280
Like, the amount of money that you were making that you'd be missing out on?
00:53:28.000
Well, I mean, if, I think that in a relationship it's, like, a mutual, like, half and half sometimes.
00:53:38.620
So what if he was, like, I want to have sex with another girl?
00:53:42.500
But I don't think that's going 50-50 unless he's asking me to go have sex with another
00:53:50.020
Well, here, let me ask a couple clarifying questions here.
00:54:06.560
I mean, there's certain things that I do for myself, but I'm not in a relationship.
00:54:10.420
So there's, if you're talking relationship-wise or as an individual?
00:54:19.380
Is it a goal of yours to become a wife and a mother and a home taker and a nurturer of
00:54:28.380
But I'd also like to have, like, my own job and be able to take care of myself, too, because
00:54:33.620
So do you plan on doing OnlyFans for the rest of your life?
00:54:36.900
Just because, say, you were asking, if I was with him and he asked me to stop doing
00:54:41.380
OnlyFans and I chose to stop doing OnlyFans, I would get another job.
00:54:45.700
So in my mind, when we're talking about traditional gender dynamics, we're talking about a mutual
00:54:50.140
The husband is in the service of the woman, the wife, and the wife is in the service,
00:54:53.560
mutualistically, in the service of the husband.
00:54:55.760
It's not one person is totally reliant on the other.
00:54:58.820
So why would you not, if you really want a traditional man in a traditional relationship,
00:55:07.780
Why would you also need to have a job or something like that?
00:55:10.820
Well, I think that, like, if I'm with somebody, say we're going out for dinner, right?
00:55:16.620
I would want to be able to pay for half the meal or if he, say, forgot his wallet.
00:55:31.500
I mean, if it came down to it, I think that at the end of the day, being in a relationship,
00:55:35.300
it's important to have, like, an understanding of each other and each other's values.
00:55:38.720
And, like, that's what makes a committed relationship important.
00:55:46.000
So, would, if a guy, do you want a guy to pay for you on the first date?
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I mean, if he offers, maybe, but I'd like to offer myself, too.
00:56:06.320
I've never been on a date where a guy wanted me to pay, ever.
00:56:09.180
Because that's not, yeah, that's not how it should be.
00:56:10.820
A guy should take, if you're courting a woman, you're supposed to take your...
00:56:14.200
Actually, they would be insulted if I even reached for my bag.
00:56:26.400
Well, if he offers, I'd allow it, but I would also offer for that, or I would pay for dessert
00:56:39.700
One, just point blank period, who do you think should pay on the first date?
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And then the second question is, if, on the first date, the guy said, hey, let's split
00:56:54.140
So, just going back to you, would that be a deal-breaker?
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If they had a good reason, I wouldn't be insulted.
00:57:14.940
You're on a date with the guy, the waiter comes, and he tells the waiter two checks.
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I would not date them again, unless they were, like, gonna, like, make it up to me somehow.
00:57:40.420
Maybe not a red flag, but it'd be a deal-breaker.
00:57:44.560
They would have to, like, really, like, make it up to me.
00:58:00.780
And you'd be fine if the guy asked for two checks when the waiter came?
00:58:12.280
Because they asked me out, and I spent my money, like she was saying, like, on the hair, the
00:58:16.580
makeup, getting ready, the clothes, everything like that.
00:58:23.000
And if a guy did ask for separate checks, what would you do?
00:58:30.540
Even if he was interested in seeing you again, and the date otherwise went okay?
00:58:38.060
I would prefer the guy to pay on the first date, but I just went on a date recently, and
00:58:45.500
So you paid $50, and you paid $10, something like that?
00:58:48.440
No, it was actually, like, both at stands, like food trucks, so it was cheap for both
00:58:52.760
ends, and I offered to pay for dessert, because I felt bad.
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Yeah, but it wouldn't be, like, a deal breaker.
00:59:06.720
But would it be, like, slightly negative brownie points or whatever?
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Because I've had a guy want to do 50-50, and I thought he was so unattractive, and I
00:59:28.920
Just to be clear, why is it lame if he wants to go?
00:59:31.400
Because I agree with you, but why do you think it's lame if he goes 50-50?
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Honestly, I couldn't pinpoint it, but I literally remember, like, how I felt last time this
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I thought he was so cute, and then he wanted to go 50-50, and I was just disgusted.
00:59:58.020
Actually, I'd like to hear the answers from these other women on that.
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Um, I think whoever asks for the date pays for the date, but I would prefer a man paid
01:00:09.060
Like, I'm going on a date with some random man.
01:00:15.020
I wouldn't want to pay for the date, obviously.
01:00:19.820
Yeah, I think women are, like, art and gorgeous and beautiful.
01:00:24.840
Then that's even more the reason he should be paying for the date.
01:00:27.420
But his time would quite literally be, I suppose, more valuable than yours.
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Like, it takes a lot of money to be a woman, and I think women are beautiful.
01:00:56.300
Like, if you're going on a date, like, you're going to, like...
01:01:00.600
You're going to maybe have to get your hair done, you have nails, you have makeup, you
01:01:08.120
Do you wear makeup for men, or do you wear it for yourself?
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Because oftentimes, if a man were to say, women wear makeup for men, you'd be like, no,
01:01:24.540
But what if the guy gave you a pass, and he said, I don't want you to wear makeup?
01:01:32.260
So why should he be financially responsible for the $3 of...
01:01:36.160
I didn't mean it, like, so transactional like that.
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I just think a gentleman would pay for a woman.
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What if when he asks you out, he says, listen, I want to go on a date, but I want to go 50-50,
01:02:11.100
A lot of men don't like a really made-up woman.
01:02:17.680
Would you be offended if, like, you went on a date with someone, and then she came with,
01:02:20.980
like, a full face of makeup, like, fully, like, done up?
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Would you be scared of, like, what she looked like under her?
01:02:29.480
There was a girl I dated probably six years ago, probably three or four months.
01:02:33.940
She never, over the course of this relationship, never let me see her without makeup.
01:02:37.960
She would wake up, get out of bed early, sneak out of bed.
01:02:41.480
She's in the bathroom doing makeup and doing her hair.
01:02:47.300
But what if it was, like, your first date, and she just wanted to, like, make her best
01:02:50.560
impression, and she actually really liked you, and, like, you genuinely liked her, but
01:02:54.080
then, like, it's, like, not, you said not a second date, right?
01:02:56.920
But what if she was, like, willing to, like, what if she wasn't that insecure about herself,
01:03:00.560
and she was willing to not wear makeup for the second date?
01:03:03.280
I think there's a difference between, like, an oak, for me, for my preference, an okay amount
01:03:20.540
And I, I suppose we'll have Madison and Kelly, you guys answer yours really quick.
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I'd prefer the man to pay, because it's the norm, but I also don't mind paying.
01:03:34.320
Um, I think that the man should pay for it, just because they, that's, I feel like when
01:03:40.140
you're dating somebody, that's a part of being a man in a relationship.
01:03:44.420
Um, but like I said, um, you know, a woman can pay for, like, some things, like, oh, if
01:03:50.500
If we go to McDonald's, yeah, sure, I'll pay for it, no problem.
01:03:53.060
And we go to dessert, like they said, like, that's not a problem to pay for.
01:03:57.460
Yeah, yeah, but like, the courting, the courting stage, yeah, if you're trying to make this
01:04:02.440
woman your girlfriend, you, why wouldn't you pay for her, that you're, you're doing your
01:04:11.120
I wouldn't say polite, it's just the, the, if you, like, it's the traditional way of going,
01:04:18.780
Um, okay, so, uh, I think you said that you would be, you were disgusted when,
01:04:26.040
when the guy offered to split the bill, was it?
01:04:31.760
I guess disgusted is the wrong word, but definitely turned off.
01:04:35.800
I mean, some girls are, are disgusted by men who are not prepared to provide.
01:04:41.340
I would say turned off is a more fair way to put it.
01:04:46.360
Um, and then I think you said whoever asks should pay, correct?
01:04:53.040
I mean, I think in a relationship, like they were saying.
01:05:00.180
Yeah, but I, usually the man would be asking me.
01:05:04.940
Who here, who here says whoever asks should pay?
01:05:22.180
Because some people's position is, well, whoever asks.
01:05:24.220
But my, my thinking on that is, well, women don't really ask men out on dates.
01:05:31.800
Do some women occasionally rarely ask men out on dates?
01:05:35.300
But generally speaking, women are the ones who are asking men out on dates.
01:05:39.220
So, your answer may as well be, I mean, men are de facto the initiators.
01:05:53.320
I just think when a guy likes you, he wants to like take care of you and like show you,
01:06:04.300
Like, when a guy likes you, he's not like, oh, pay.
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Let me tell you how I think this plays out in reality.
01:06:10.960
I think if a man is asking and paying, he sees some long-term value in you.
01:06:15.660
I think any man that is saying, hey, let's go 50-50.
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That man doesn't really see something long-term with you.
01:06:25.440
That man is, that man is looking to get laid or that man is looking for a one and done.
01:06:35.000
Now, in a traditional world where women moved traditionally, I would agree with you.
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However, I think, at least in California, I don't know how it is in, I mean, I think in most of the Western world,
01:06:49.460
women are definitely not moving in a traditional way.
01:06:53.040
So I don't feel obliged to hold to traditional, my traditional gender roles of paying for the first date
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And a lot of these chicks, they're doing foodie calls.
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I've had a foodie call where the girl just went on a date for fucking free food.
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Really? I feel like I'm not going to waste my time.
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I just don't want to be a sucker because a lot of people are sleeping and seeing multiple people.
01:07:43.680
So I don't want to be the guy that pays for you, pays for your date,
01:07:47.880
and then you go and hang out with your fuck buddy who, by the way, never has paid for you,
01:07:54.080
and you fuck him after I just provided for you.
01:07:58.520
That's basically like a low-tier cuck situation.
01:08:05.680
Okay, so women, do you think it's fair for Brian to ask a woman on a first date,
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do you have a fuck buddy, are you doing foodie dates?
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Is that a fair question for a man to ask on a first date?
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Because if that's the case, I'm out of here, I'm not paying for you, go 50-50, I'm gone.
01:08:23.500
I think she'd ask that before the day if it's really a deal breaker.
01:08:28.700
I think if she really likes you, she wouldn't do that.
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Like what you said, like make you pay for all this stuff,
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and then just like, that's a thing you never know.
01:08:37.380
Peace, I'm going to go fuck the loser like down the street.
01:08:39.540
She ain't going to say it, but she's going to give you the ass out, hug goodbye,
01:08:43.700
and then she's going to go over to the guy who she's fucking.
01:08:47.240
But can you tell when a girl like really loves you?
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Yeah, that's hard to tell on a first date, you're right.
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Maybe there's nerves involved, some people, whatever.
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I feel like it's really easy to tell on a first date.
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Granted, I've been out of the game for a while.
01:09:14.100
I feel like it's easy to tell when a girl's kind of playing that game.
01:09:21.080
But by the time our hour-long date is done at the restaurant,
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I think I've got a pretty good idea if this girl is living that life,
01:09:31.040
I mean, I think there's a lot of very sophisticated women,
01:09:35.240
and I don't think we should underestimate the level of sophistication
01:09:41.720
I think women are much more socially attuned than men,
01:09:44.220
and they're much more capable of pulling off this manipulation.
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I don't know how many master manipulator women are running that life.
01:09:53.020
Eric, can you pull up that story of that chick on TikTok
01:10:06.680
They think they, like, I feel like a lot of it nowadays,
01:10:09.560
like, as they get older, like, they try to get married, too.
01:10:12.020
So it's like they're trying to play this trick to get married.
01:10:18.200
we're in the most progressive, hellhole, satanic place in the world.
01:10:23.340
So if you're basing your dating situation off of this area, SoCal,
01:10:30.440
it's probably not representative of how the rest of the world is operating, right?
01:10:47.360
I went on six dates a week and didn't have to grow streets for two years.
01:10:59.460
but you used to go on six dates a week to avoid paying for groceries.
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and she boasted about going on six dates a week.
01:11:10.220
She said she was saving 100, probably saved about $150 a week.
01:11:23.380
And she's able to go on six dates a week and basically game men.
01:11:27.480
Look, I'm not saying, look, most women are not doing this.
01:11:30.260
But what I'm saying is, as a guy, you do have to be cautious.
01:11:38.080
But I would say what's fairly common is people are dating multiple people.
01:11:43.940
I think that's pretty common for people to, like, have multiple people they're dating,
01:11:53.120
On the first date, there's not an expectation that the woman should be paying for the first date.
01:11:57.060
So as a guy, if the expectation is you should be paying on the first date,
01:12:00.460
but she's dating three other dudes, she's sleeping with three other dudes,
01:12:02.980
I'm not going to, like, I feel like a sucker if I'm paying for a girl.
01:12:08.060
Even if it's ten bucks, it's not about the money.
01:12:13.980
I don't want to pay for a girl and she's fucking other dudes.
01:12:20.280
Are you that demoralized out of the dating game?
01:12:23.600
Bro, I'm so, I'm, like, so jaded from fucking dating.
01:12:32.960
I know it's hard to believe, but I literally, like, when I find a guy that I really like,
01:12:36.800
I only fuck him and I only think about him and want to be around him.
01:12:42.940
Yeah, the first, my last boyfriend, I met him on the first date.
01:12:49.020
So, I mean, you're, like, fucking within your work, right?
01:12:55.440
And then I ended and Keem started tweeting for him to wash his ass.
01:13:02.140
Can I ask you, do you think it's reasonable for a man to not want to date a sex worker?
01:13:07.480
Is that fair for a man to say, I just don't want to date a woman that's sharing her body
01:13:12.580
Well, like, my dude, he's cool with me, like, doing solo content and girl-girl.
01:13:17.900
And because, just because, like, I have respect for him, I choose to not do, like, dude content.
01:13:25.180
So, the content you are making, you are making exclusively for other men around the world
01:13:31.500
You are, you are, that's, that's your clientele, right?
01:13:34.460
So, is it okay for a man you're potentially dating to say, listen, I don't want my woman
01:13:40.600
Um, like, just solo and girl-girl he's not cool with?
01:13:46.120
He doesn't want you uploading naked photos, sexy photos on the internet.
01:13:55.760
Because why is what someone else is doing with their body bothering him so much?
01:14:00.120
Because he's looking to have a wife and have kids.
01:14:04.520
It's insecure for a guy to not want to date a sex worker?
01:14:07.080
Well, I think it's insecure for someone to think that's someone without their clothes
01:14:11.980
So, this is one of the beautiful things about monogamous relationships.
01:14:14.820
Two people have come together and said, listen, this is, this is an aspect of our life, of
01:14:18.360
our being, that we are going to give exclusively to each other, and that's why it's special.
01:14:23.460
But you can be monogamous and still post, like, slutty photos.
01:14:26.100
So, I'm asking you, is it reasonable if a guy doesn't want you, if you do that, though?
01:14:29.100
Is he going to be completely, like, monogamous to her?
01:14:37.540
No, I want a guy that's cool with it, that is confident with it.
01:14:39.960
But what if he's doing everything else that you want him to, like, what do you, like,
01:14:45.020
Like, if he's paying for everything already, and then you're, he's saying that he doesn't
01:14:47.940
want you to do this, how come you can't make that sacrifice for him?
01:14:52.480
I'd rather find someone that will pay for everything and will also show me off and be
01:14:56.700
There's too many people in the world to not find someone that I like every aspect about,
01:15:01.260
You value helping random men all over the world bust nuts more than the comfort of
01:15:07.080
No, I value my income and my roof over my head and the food that goes in my mouth.
01:15:10.960
Okay, what if he says, listen, marry me, you're a stay-at-home wife, we're having kids,
01:15:16.420
and you're my wife, we're taking, I'll take care of you.
01:15:21.920
Why would he leave if you're doing everything he wants you to do?
01:15:25.140
I've known men that are married for 10 years, and then they decide, I'm going to go to
01:15:28.960
the strip club, I'm going to cheat on my wife, I'm going to give all our extra money to this
01:15:34.120
I mean, you know a guy's going to give you a lot of money when you hear he's married.
01:15:41.960
I think that men are cheating less than women, right?
01:15:49.960
Yeah, but I think that more women are cheating, statistically, right?
01:15:54.460
I think you could find a guy that's like cool with what, you know, what you want to do,
01:15:59.840
You know, the type of guy that doesn't is like, no, no, no, you can't do this, you can't
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He's just not for, he's not for me, and he's not for you.
01:16:06.560
Like, I'm personally cool with girl, girl, and solo content, because that's just, I'm
01:16:13.360
cool with that, because like, my dude, he's cool with me doing that, so like, I'm cool
01:16:18.480
But he's not ever like, no, you can't do this, you can't do, he's not like that.
01:16:26.380
How come you haven't, like, because you said you were together for eight years, but like,
01:16:42.380
Your boyfriend was doing the same things that you were doing, and you weren't, and you were
01:16:46.380
in his position, like, and if he was, what am I saying right now?
01:16:54.680
Yeah, just, if the roles were reversed, would, oh my god, I'm like.
01:17:01.120
If he was doing the content that you're doing, and you weren't okay with it, is that a deal breaker?
01:17:13.780
I think maybe at a base level, the concern you women have is that if you forfeit your
01:17:19.000
income source, which happens to be sex work, then you're really concerned that what if
01:17:23.680
the man I dedicate my life to, and I sacrifice my income for, what if he betrays me, then
01:17:28.180
And that's, like, at a base level, what the concern is.
01:17:36.100
Like, you know, if, like, you're my dude, I trust you, straight up.
01:17:42.420
You know, but I think that does come with time, also.
01:17:47.300
Just to bring it back really quick to the who pays thing.
01:17:49.420
So, I guess, look, my main issue is, and I guess explain to me why I, as a man, should
01:17:59.480
pay for a first date when a lot of women are out here sleeping with multiple men at the
01:18:05.720
same time, and sleeping with multiple men at the same time.
01:18:11.660
Like, a lot of you said the man should pay, right?
01:18:14.340
Which is him adhering to his traditional gender role.
01:18:27.660
No, I'm, I'm way different than traditional, yeah.
01:18:30.240
So then isn't it, I'm afraid to ask for the man to be traditional if you're not traditional?
01:18:36.380
I get, we get experiences that are not what the average person would get, like.
01:18:41.780
You don't have to be traditional to be feminine and to give, like, a guy, like, your feminine,
01:18:52.880
Because when I think of traditional woman or traditional femininity, I think of modesty,
01:18:56.120
I think of self-sacrifice, I think of discipline, I think of motherhood, I think of being a good
01:18:59.540
wife, I think of dedicating your, your physical being to your husband exclusively and solely.
01:19:04.480
So I'm, I'm, I'm hearing the word traditional femininity or traditional woman, and I'm like, what's
01:19:10.800
Maybe, I think we have different definitions, right?
01:19:12.640
Well, like, like, like me personally, I like to, like, cater to my man, like, cook for
01:19:19.420
him, like, clean for him, like, have his, all his shit ready for him, like, be there for
01:19:30.440
It's just like a little, no, it's just a little fly.
01:19:41.500
Look, it's just like, look, we have, we have girls who are sex workers on the show.
01:19:51.160
But it's just, to me, it's like, why are you holding men to these traditional
01:19:57.020
standards when you're, I mean, sex work is not traditional.
01:20:02.200
But you don't have to be super traditional to be feminine.
01:20:05.640
I just don't think that, like, sex workers want to have sex with a lot of different people
01:20:14.740
From my personal experience, I hate having sex, like, that doesn't have a connection.
01:20:23.900
Like I said earlier, I get really obsessed and just want to be with them.
01:20:27.020
So, like, there are those girls out there, whether they're sex workers or not, that
01:20:37.820
Just by virtue of being in the adult entertainment industry, you are immediately classed as not
01:20:49.360
But the point I'm trying to make is, is if you are not traditional yourself, you ought
01:20:58.340
Yeah, I'm talking about paying for first dates.
01:21:04.780
Sex work versus paying for dinner, what has that got to do with each other?
01:21:07.600
Well, he's basically the traditional men pay for dinner.
01:21:08.920
I'm saying you expect men to be traditional, yet you are not traditional yourself.
01:21:17.780
Wait, that man paying for dinner, that's a function of traditional masculinity.
01:21:21.180
I don't want traditional, I want rich, high rollers.
01:21:34.380
You said you want a guy to take you to Nobu and pay for a thousand dollar dinner?
01:21:39.500
Can I ask you, what do you feel like you have to offer?
01:21:48.660
What do you mean, what if you ever, never say no?
01:21:49.920
I mean, I can do things, but some girls say no to him.
01:21:53.220
But I don't think you guys understand that men look at sex completely different than, like,
01:22:01.300
That type of man you're describing, that attractive, successful, tons of money going...
01:22:07.340
I'll tell you, that type of man can fuck as many women as he wants.
01:22:15.340
Does it offend you guys that that man will never marry you?
01:22:37.700
You're comfortable helping this man violate his marriage.
01:22:41.000
I'm comfortable making money, because he's gonna go do it from another girl if he doesn't
01:22:45.100
get it from me, so I might as well make this bank, because this man is, like, double my age,
01:22:55.680
But you're implicated in his transgression, right?
01:23:01.760
Imagine I'm a methamphetamine dealer, and I said, well, if I don't sell meth, someone
01:23:05.180
else is gonna sell meth to these drug addicts, so it's not my problem.
01:23:07.820
My mom's actually a meth dealer that's been in out of prison.
01:23:58.540
Well, I mean, you've already, I mean, you've basically.
01:24:03.940
By definition, it's legal in California, and it's, you're not paying for an act.
01:24:09.120
She's paying for, or he's paying for her time, not her sex.
01:24:19.920
What makes it high end versus low end escorting?
01:24:22.060
I think it's the dollar amount you're making per hour, or like who you're fucking with.
01:24:27.460
Because anybody can scrape up the money, you know, it doesn't matter who you are, whether
01:24:33.120
How much is a low end escort, and how much is a high end escort?
01:24:36.620
Like a hundred to like a thousand to fifteen hundred to two thousand an hour.
01:24:44.300
Yeah, a thousand and up would be a high end escort.
01:25:14.060
I mean, just so for my personal thing, look, I know it actually does lose me women that
01:25:19.040
I'm not willing to pay for first dates, but at the end of the day, I'm just, I don't
01:25:28.120
Is this something you're dealing with personally?
01:25:31.260
This is something that pretty much all men are dealing with.
01:25:42.920
Well, so, okay, we'll get to the marriage thing in a little bit because I know you wanted
01:25:48.200
So, I'm not necessarily opposed to falling into more of a, like, taking care of a girl.
01:26:00.760
You need to, like, I need to know, I need to get to know you before I'm prepared to do that.
01:26:07.640
So, you need to get to know her in a way where you're not spending money on her because if
01:26:11.200
you are, then you might get bit in the ass or what?
01:26:21.740
But how do you, as a man, because you're a single guy in this crazy market right now,
01:26:30.000
Do you go to the park and you hang out at the park?
01:26:34.320
How do you do dates and also invest no money because you're scared that she might?
01:26:41.760
So, if you want so badly to be fair and not pay the girl's meal, doesn't that kind of make
01:26:48.220
the girl have less respect for herself and less self-esteem to be willing to go half and
01:26:53.720
So, like, does that mean you're setting yourself up to be with less lower value girls because
01:26:57.840
you refuse to appreciate their value from the beginning?
01:27:09.600
From a traditional standpoint, but, like, women are not really traditional anymore.
01:27:30.700
Well, I don't consider, I'm not, I suppose I'm not a gentleman.
01:27:33.640
Because I got in a shitty situation at 18 and did what I had to do to survive and pay
01:27:39.040
That doesn't, I mean, that doesn't undo the fact that, look, you are not a lady.
01:27:46.460
Like, I don't understand how I wouldn't be a lady.
01:27:48.960
Sure, you can be strong, but when I say lady, I'm sort of talking about traditional gender
01:27:59.440
A gentleman is someone who pays for your date, who protects you, who provides, who's
01:28:04.200
Do you think we don't deserve that because we're sex workers?
01:28:06.960
Do you think we don't deserve that because we're sex workers?
01:28:10.280
It's not a question of deserving and not deserving, but what I'm trying to point out is that as
01:28:18.900
If you find that offensive that I don't consider you traditional women, I'm sure you can admit
01:28:25.220
I just figure you think that I should go, like, beyond the street corner or something.
01:28:29.380
Well, that's not what I said, but you're not...
01:28:34.060
A lady would be the counterpoint of a gentleman.
01:28:36.280
So, basically, just adhering to decorum and traditional gender roles.
01:28:43.280
So, by virtue of being a sex worker, and this isn't me trying to attack sex workers, but
01:28:49.020
you are not traditional, ergo, you are not a lady.
01:29:03.060
What job ought a traditional man have, if not podcasting?
01:29:29.780
If a man pays for an escort or pays for dinner?
01:29:32.120
Well, if a man is sleeping with escorts, he's not a gentleman.
01:29:39.780
I think a man paying for dinner is looking for something more out of a woman other than
01:29:48.500
Because a guy who is going to pay for a first date, he's trying to do everything to stack
01:29:55.040
the cards in his favor in order for it to get to the finish line.
01:30:04.100
I think genuinely most men want to get married, want to have kids, want to have a family.
01:30:13.940
Yeah, but I don't think that if you don't want to pay for the first date as a guy, that
01:30:19.660
that necessarily means you just want the pussy.
01:30:21.720
But it gives the impression to the girl that you don't like her.
01:30:26.580
Wait, do you not talk to girls before you take them on a date?
01:30:40.280
So, it's either meet for, like, a tea or a coffee or something.
01:30:46.440
I'm not a big drinker, but, you know, occasionally I'll have, like, a glass of wine or a beer.
01:31:01.040
Or you just show up on time because most of the time the girls are going to be late anyways.
01:31:08.020
I'd say 90% of the time the girls are going to be ten minutes late on the first date.
01:31:12.520
So, if you get there early, you just talk to the...
01:31:15.520
If it's a sit-down place and they come to you, even if it's for a drink, sometimes there's waiters that will come to you for a drink.
01:31:22.160
You just say, before she's there, you talk to the waiter and you're just like, hey, at the end, just bring two checks.
01:31:29.840
So, he puts a check in front of you, puts a check in front of her.
01:31:34.520
The other thing is if it's, like, at a bar, you go up to the bar.
01:31:37.380
If you get there early, you just pay for your drink up front.
01:31:40.640
And you only have that one drink the entire night.
01:31:43.320
And then when she comes, you're like, oh, hey, I'm holding this table.
01:31:57.960
No, the meta is to kind of, like, preemptively reduce your risk or your investment.
01:32:03.220
I mean, basically, just get there a few minutes early.
01:32:11.460
That way, it's not awkward on the date when you're like, oh, two checks.
01:32:23.620
I think with dating, I acknowledge there is a risk.
01:32:26.060
And that risk might be that she's just not going to work out for me.
01:32:29.020
And as the man, that's the burden I'm comfortable to accept.
01:32:32.200
And, I mean, even that applies to my situation, too.
01:32:35.000
I mean, the other thing you can do is go do something free.
01:32:39.660
Some girls are going to be like, oh, you've got to take me to dinner.
01:32:43.760
Nah, like, if a girl's not down with a free date, if she's not down for a walk on the pier,
01:32:48.720
not down for a walk at the park, she's playing some game.
01:33:03.100
So can you be, like, a dominant man and not be, like, super traditional?
01:33:09.260
I like dominant men, but that, like, they don't expect this, like, super, like, covered
01:33:20.740
They're just not so traditional to the point where they're, like, you need to be completely
01:33:28.940
Some guys, like, don't, some guys really don't care that, like, that much.
01:33:33.060
Obviously, they're not going to want you to go out.
01:33:34.760
No guy wants you to go out with your titties out or even, like, just in a bikini in general.
01:33:42.680
Because men, a lot of the time, like, men want their woman to themselves.
01:33:47.560
There are women out there that are, like, confident, masculine men that are, like, my
01:33:52.940
That's why, like, how do you know about, how do you know where all the men's opinions are
01:34:01.620
Some men don't really, like, so, like, how do you know?
01:34:03.800
I said most men would not, would prefer their girlfriend.
01:34:08.680
Most men would prefer their woman to not be showing off their bodies 24-7.
01:34:22.600
My friend, she's been married for, like, 15 years.
01:34:33.560
But, okay, don't you think, don't you think it's, don't you think it's a little self-evident?
01:34:38.060
Like, can you at least, can you at least concede that most men don't want to date a sex worker?
01:34:50.240
I think, like, because I have 150,000 followers, and I know most of them would love to date
01:34:57.340
But think about how every single man watches porn and fantasizes about porn stars.
01:35:03.520
If you think most men jerking off to you would want to date you, why is this man cheating
01:35:08.300
on his wife with you and not dating you instead of breaking up with his wife?
01:35:14.480
I wouldn't want that because that would be a lot of responsibility for me, and I don't
01:35:19.920
So, then you must acknowledge that these men don't want to date you.
01:35:23.940
I mean, no, because I think a lot of them do want to date me, the way they talk to me
01:35:27.320
on OnlyFans and how close we get in our relationship.
01:35:29.200
Well, because of the way that you're making them feel, like, a certain way.
01:35:33.100
You're presenting yourself easily, which is why a lot of men hate me.
01:35:35.680
You don't care about them in a way, and all they want you to do is pop your pussy open.
01:35:42.200
You care about your, um, I care a lot about them.
01:35:49.020
I've had customers pick me up from my house and, like, go on dates with them.
01:36:01.000
That should be a goal, to get married and have kids.
01:36:03.580
I have bigger dreams for my life than being a housewife.
01:36:07.680
How many men have you had escort meetings with that you didn't end up fucking?
01:36:20.220
So you meet up with a man, you don't fuck him, and then you meet up with him again.
01:36:31.800
Sometimes they're, like, their balls bumped on.
01:36:39.980
They're just, like, lonely and they just want to hang out.
01:36:43.720
Honestly, like, there's, like, dudes that, like, can get women that just like us for us.
01:36:57.860
And they just want to have dinner and then part ways.
01:36:59.500
I think, like, 18 years or something like that.
01:37:04.820
He would be considered, like, a traditional man.
01:37:32.580
If you're looking to do sex work for 10 or 15 years
01:37:38.300
and settle down and find a nice traditional man,
01:37:40.340
I think you're going to find those men are gone.
01:37:51.560
So they're not looking at you as the prize anymore.
01:38:14.240
because not every man is looking for a girl that's young.
01:38:17.320
You know, there's some guys that are looking for women
01:38:25.380
I think any traditional, attractive, successful man,
01:39:08.500
Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have it.
01:39:40.820
Didn't one of them say she makes over a million a year,
01:40:20.920
Okay, you were dating a guy for six months, right?
01:40:43.820
Like, you've been really evasive this entire show.
01:40:47.080
Like, you've willingly come on a dating podcast, yet you refuse to, like, answer just basic
01:40:55.820
I feel some things that are just more personal to people than others.
01:41:03.500
Like, I don't need you to, like, tell fucking details about, like, I don't need the details
01:41:11.560
I'm just asking if, like, have you hooked up with somebody before?
01:41:14.140
I just believe that's personal, and I don't think that I should be forced to show you that.
01:41:22.780
Is this part of your marketing technique for OnlyFans?
01:41:25.800
Okay, so are you concerned that your OnlyFans customers would have a different opinion
01:41:36.660
It's more so the fact that I just want to show myself in, well, I feel as a representative,
01:41:45.160
But you don't know what I do on OnlyFans, so it's like, for you to say.
01:41:50.380
Do you think not being a virgin decreases your value or something?
01:41:56.600
I just, it's personal to me, and I think that that's okay.
01:42:00.200
And I don't think that there's anything wrong with that.
01:42:02.700
And if somebody, it's the same way as if you thought that it was personal, I asked you
01:42:06.200
a question, I would completely think that's okay with you.
01:42:08.480
Yeah, no, I'm, I think you're totally within your right to not say you are on a dating show,
01:42:12.180
so I think it's kind of expected you would say, to be fair to Brian.
01:42:15.520
But I think if you don't want to say, that's totally fine.
01:42:17.920
Like, there are private things about my life that I wouldn't say in front of 10,000 people.
01:42:22.240
Did you just come on here to advertise your OnlyFans then?
01:42:25.140
Because what's the point of coming on a dating podcast if you're not going to talk about your dating life?
01:42:29.140
I've never, I, he knew, I messaged him, and I told him that I've never been on a date before.
01:42:33.420
So then why would you, I mean, no, you said you've never been in a long-term relationship.
01:42:36.780
Well, it's the same thing as dating, is it not?
01:42:38.840
You said you were in a situationship for six months, so you have some dating experience.
01:42:42.060
So you were fucking somebody, and then not, like, what?
01:42:46.800
How are you in a situationship, and then you've never, like, that doesn't, what are you talking about?
01:42:52.100
No, but that's okay, you were entitled to your own opinions, and that's completely fine,
01:42:55.120
but I just am to mine as well, and I personally don't want to share some things, and that shouldn't be an issue,
01:43:05.020
Well, there's other questions that you can ask based off of, rather than just my body count.
01:43:20.540
So are you just saving yourself for the right person, but you don't need to be married?
01:43:24.160
Yes, and I personally don't want to go past that point because I respectfully, like, I don't want to share,
01:43:30.700
and if you guys want me to leave, I'm more than welcome to leave right now.
01:43:33.620
I just, I'm not comfortable with that, and I think that should be respected,
01:43:37.820
and I would respect you guys if that was the same situation, regardless of who was saying it.
01:43:44.780
It's one thing, like, it's just there's been at least three different instances where you're like,
01:43:50.520
I don't want to share that, I don't want to share that, I don't want to share that.
01:43:53.340
You didn't want to share your age, which is pretty bad faith, because, like, who isn't open about sharing their age?
01:44:00.820
Well, and that's the thing is, I just don't want to be belittled by me telling you my age.
01:44:05.200
I don't want you to look at me in a different perspective, and I think that's...
01:44:08.720
I'm 18, and that's okay, but she's entitled to her own opinions, and I'm entitled to mine, right?
01:44:13.520
But I think it makes it really obvious that you're really young if you say something like that.
01:44:16.340
Yeah, for real, that's what I was going to say.
01:44:17.680
We kind of can tell by your age, just by the way.
01:44:19.680
You're trying to be very mysterious, but it's just like, why?
01:44:22.960
I think it is totally within your right as a woman and a person to say, I don't want to share something,
01:44:30.500
And I think that there's other questions that can be involved when it comes to a dating podcast.
01:44:35.260
It doesn't have to be, like, your sex life or love life or age or...
01:44:46.100
So it's like, personally, that's just my preference.
01:44:51.760
I mean, you're right insofar as, like, you don't have to answer that question, but it's just...
01:44:58.180
If you're just not comfortable answering, that's fine, but I'm trying to loop you into the conversation here.
01:45:07.980
I'm trying to loop you into the conversation, and you're just not making it easy.
01:45:10.800
If I look at it this way, and it's a lose-lose situation, personally.
01:45:15.820
If I were to say it, right, and coming from somebody who's done social media for a long time, personally, I've done TikTok for a very long time, if I were to...
01:45:24.660
I understand this is a very different platform, and I completely get that it can have different perspectives, but I've watched your podcast before I came on here.
01:45:32.120
I just learned about it yesterday, watched a few different videos, and I saw some girls say a number and say it was low, and you guys still considered it high.
01:45:41.860
I would be judged here if it was low, but if it's online, now I'm being judged in a different perspective from other people.
01:45:51.540
So it's like, I'm being judged no matter what I'm saying.
01:45:55.580
I just, like, if I were to ask some sex-related question, like, you know, if we started talking about, like, you know, favorite position, would you just omit answering that question?
01:46:14.520
Like, that's a fun, light-hearted question to ask on a dating podcast.
01:46:22.600
When it comes to the bed questions, like, being in bed...
01:46:27.380
Sorry, I've had some very traumatic experiences myself, so...
01:46:33.920
But when it comes to going on a date and having those conversations of, like...
01:46:39.320
Like, I was more than willing to answer, and I did respond to those, so it's like...
01:46:45.920
Isn't it kind of silly that you would answer that question, but you can't answer your age?
01:46:52.100
You have your own opinion, and I have mine, and that's okay.
01:46:55.040
And I completely respect it, and I'm open to understanding other people's perspectives, and I'm not against it.
01:47:03.280
And if that makes other people uncomfortable, then I can leave.
01:47:38.540
How many dudes have come in or on you, and then your partner touched, kissed, effed you?
01:48:00.200
Thank you, man, for the rescue here with this message.
01:48:42.600
These women are wholeheartedly arguing for why they think it's okay that they are getting
01:48:47.980
And I should accept that as a man and spend thousands on her so I can get the same BJ the
01:49:39.040
Would you guys consider yourselves an alpha female?
01:49:52.060
Well, I was going to ask you what you think an alpha female is.
01:50:06.420
Because there's an alpha male, there's an alpha female.
01:50:13.200
You're the one that said you made like a million dollars a year, right?
01:50:20.820
Would you date a man that made one-tenth as much as you?
01:50:30.760
As long as he's like a go-getter and loves what he does and he can handle business, then I'm
01:50:37.080
I mean, what if he loved what he did, he was passionate about it, but it made him like $35,000
01:50:42.980
But usually people that love what they do and they're passionate about it, they make good
01:50:50.860
And people that are passionate do well, usually.
01:50:54.460
What if he's like an ice cream car driver and he sells ice cream and he makes $35,000 a
01:50:59.540
Then he doesn't have the type of drive that I like in a guy.
01:51:03.120
So you're saying the drive you like would necessarily mean he's making a lot of money, but it's not
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about the money, it's about the drive that got him there.
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Like I would, I would be with, I don't mind dating like a guy who's like a plumber.
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If he like, you know, has a plumber business and like likes doing it because like it's
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Will any of the girls be at the convention next year?
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Plus, I've heard my name spoken with disrespect, simp, et cetera.
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I've never sent a dollar or DM to any of these hoes.
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I prob them up to fuck with their heads, prop them up to fuck their heads only to leave
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Caffeine drinks and the sharp drop-off you get from other caffeine products.
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Many such cases, all the caffeine products suck.
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He asked everyone to rate themselves on a scale of 1 to 10.
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So do you guys want to rate yourselves on a scale of 1 to 10?
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If there's any plants, I need you to go to Sony cam, okay?
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A couple things going on behind the scenes here.
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Should we keep going around the table for that question?
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what do you rate your looks on a scale of 1 to 10?
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I'd say 6 because I feel as if I'm above average,
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but there's more that I could do to make myself better.
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I would say like a 4 because I have a big forehead.
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Isn't that how most people feel about their partner
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Yeah, but are you just going to, like, date forever?
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I heard, yes, a couple days ago on the podcast,
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I think a guest said that the national divorce rate
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I think in reality that national average is 45 to 50,
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by people that are getting divorced multiple times.
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Beyond that, you can break it down demographically.
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Bricks and great job controlling the show today.
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If adult content became outlawed in the US tomorrow,
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how would any of survive besides being a parasite with a V?
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The lifestyle you perpetuate is toxic and just overall terrible for young women.
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I don't know if I've controlled it as well as I would have liked,
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But we like that you're feeling things about us.
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Do you guys think that pornographic content is good for society or bad for society?
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Either they're getting out their urges through porn and someone who's consenting,
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I would be kind of fucked up, though, if there's an apocalypse, because I have a podcast.
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I feel like that's not going to be top-tier fucking survival skills, you know?
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You need to make a homestead and build a bunker.
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When, when, can we be like a, I used to be in, I don't know if, well, like a survival group.
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Like when shit hits the fan, when shit hits the fan, you need like, okay, we're going to meet here,
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we're going to do this, boom, boom, boom, here's the plan.
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But you're in Arizona, no, no, no, you're in Washington, excuse me, excuse me, yeah.
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We are so, like, we're both sitting here wearing flannel talking about doomsday prepping.
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This is the most stereotypical thing in the world.
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I need a flannel, like, aviator hand or something.
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There's like, one of the episodes, there's a, like, guy who prepped before the zombie apocalypse.
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Oh, you got a boyfriend in the zombie apocalypse.
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Thank you for the, whatever that was, where was it?
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You were asking me what, I'm trying to remember, the stats.
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Uh, yeah, I do, I do want kids, but I'm like a little slightly on the fence, but yeah, I do, I do want kids.
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Um, do you think that that would negatively impact the kids in any way?
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I think that, I think having that foundational lifelong oath with your partner, knowing that you will not break that, right?
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Making, swearing that oath is a very, very big piece of the relationship.
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But it is, because people get divorced all the time.
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I'm saying for you, failure cannot be an option.
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If you want to be a good parent, failure cannot be an option.
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No, but I mean, like, but I mean, people get divorced and it's not in your control.
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I think what is happening right now in society, I think a lot of people are getting married a little bit too flippantly.
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I think there's not enough emphasis on finding and vetting that proper partner, and as a result, people are marrying too recklessly, and they're marrying bad partners.
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And also, I think people, it's easy to point the finger at, you know, modern women and say you're not living up to your, you know, traditional feminine role.
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How many men are truly traditional and good partners?
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I look at men, I see a bunch of fat, fat porn addicted addicts.
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How can, how can you blame, I'm going to simp for a minute.
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How can you blame these women for transgressing from traditional femininity when so many of their potential suitors, these men, are absolute losers?
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They're fat, they're addicted, they're jerking off to hardcore pornography all day.
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If you think the role of a man, a traditional man, is to lead and set the pace and build society and maintain what it is, we have failed, men have failed.
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And as such, the women have, have, have changed also.
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If you think that women are so propagandized by liberal college professors and are fucked up modern society, then you've, then you've accepted the premise that propaganda can work and that their minds can be distorted.
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And I'm not, I'm not talking to you specifically, but I'm talking men in general.
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It's not, the problem is not just solely women.
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I mean, I think responsibility, both people have responsibility.
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Both men and women have responsibility in this.
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And idealistically, yes, I think there should, there ought to be a return to tradition, a return to modesty.
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But I feel like the cat is kind of out of the bag.
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I don't think there's, I don't think it's, we're going back.
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So, so we have, so, so because I don't think we can have a return to tradition, I think.
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Meth head mama girl, you only like attention and energy from simps.
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Because the energy you got from actual men made you cry in the bathroom for the last 20 minutes.
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Weak men have allowed this behavior too long and will create hard times.
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He says, meth head mama girl, you only like attention and energy from simps.
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So bringing it back to the discussion on, on marriage, the cat's out of the bag.
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So because of that, because women move differently, men have to adapt.
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I think men have facilitated the change in women as well.
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So you have the sexual revolution and look, women, I, I believe that women control access
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So if we want to see a return to traditional values, since women are the gatekeepers of sex,
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So if this, if, if the threshold is marriage and then I'll have sex with you, that would
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Men have always been like trying to sleep with women.
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Now you could argue like, okay, well in like strict Christian societies, chastity has been
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And the sort of key principle is if society is irredeemably messed up right now, if things
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need to get way worse before they get better, if society is destined to crumble and crumble
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down and become a rubble, ruinous rubble, would you not want to be one of those beacons of
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traditional, traditional masculinity standing amongst those ruins to help fix society after
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it's crumbled with, with you and your trad wife and you and your trad family?
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You can say, listen, it's a very bad environment right now, but I need to persevere still.
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Well, the thing is, is I don't know if I'm like perfectly a trad guy.
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I think there are some things about me that are traditional.
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However, I'm not, I'm not a perfectly trad conservative guy.
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I'm not really, I can serve myself kind of politically moderate, but.
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Um, so yeah, I mean, look, I, I just, just to kind of bring it back to divorce, though.
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I mean, I look alimony payments, child support.
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Like I said, 10% of divorces end up in, with alimony payments.
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Now I'm going to give a very, very unpopular take here.
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I think sometimes alimony payments are totally warranted.
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Uh, my wife was climbing the, she worked at a, uh, she worked in the finance industry
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Um, and I'm going to be the sole income provider.
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She sacrificed what otherwise already was and could have been even more so a lucrative career
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in order to be my stay at home wife and take care of me and the house and the kids.
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If 10 years from now I start beating her and divorce her or, or sorry, I beat her up and
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I cheat on her and she would rightfully so divorce me in that scenario.
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Would she not be morally, uh, uh, uh, deserving of some recompense?
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Because I think, I think she would be because she made quite a big sacrifice to be my, my
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So, I mean, there are definitely scenarios where alimony is, is justified.
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Um, obviously I kind of understand the, the reason for alimony.
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For example, if, if she disregards pursuing a career in pursuit of having children, raising
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I get it, I get it because, you know, and then to just dump her into the workforce with
02:11:26.520
However, I guess I would say though, for example, like, let's say that was the case, but let's
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say instead of you, the, the guy being abusive, let's say she cheated on the husband, but she,
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all those same criteria are the same and she, or she just got bored and she wants out of
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So the guy didn't, the guy doesn't, didn't do anything to warrant the divorce.
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So, so, so in those scenarios, it's just, I agree with you.
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I am, I would say personally against no fault divorce.
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I think we need to get rid of no fault divorce.
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And I would say cheating or spousal abuse is fault for divorce.
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But yeah, in that scenario, there was no fault and she leaves and gets an alimony.
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I'm not sure what, what it is, but in, in at fault divorces, is alimony still awarded?
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I don't know if the courts even consider if there's fault anymore.
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Or, oh, people just, I think it depends on the agreement if there's a, if there's a prenup.
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I think if a wife cheats on her husband, he did something like wrong.
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So, so if the woman does something bad, she has no agency.
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But like, she was probably telling him like for a while, like you're doing something.
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Well, that's, I mean, I wouldn't believe in like a marriage that works.
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You would talk about things and try to, marriages aren't easy.
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You're not just going to like not tell your husband if he's like upsetting you.
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But what if she, what if she did it and she just cheats on him?
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If you were married to someone, would you guys like, if they were upsetting you for a while,
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What about the woman that doesn't talk about it and she just decides to go cheat?
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That, I mean, why would she not talk about it though?
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So then he knew what she was when he married her.
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What if, what if they, what if they've been married for like a week and then she cheats
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So they really don't know each other as well as someone that's been married for 20 years.
02:14:08.140
But wouldn't you be with someone for a while before you marry them?
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Like you're not like born like a cheater and like in the future, like, like.
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Why would you just like marry someone you barely know?
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My brother got married within three months of knowing his wife.
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It's not out of the realm of possibility or reality that a woman could cheat on a man
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So he's just doing everything right and she just loves him so much and she goes and cheats?
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Let's, let's say the man did do something wrong.
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Let's say the man, um, let's say the man beat her.
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I would, I would say she should get a divorce from him and not, you know, not cheat.
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Some people I've actually heard when they're being abused, they cheat to get out of the relationship
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Because some, um, divorces from abusive people and didn't, can you say the D word?
02:15:22.840
Um, so I mean, look, as far as getting married, I guess my question to you is, and if any of,
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any of you at the table want to try to convince me or change my mind, what benefit do I get
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in marriage that I can't get in just a long-term relationship?
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I don't, there's no religious component to getting married for me.
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That, or even if I am religious, I don't want to make it a religious argument.
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What benefit do I get by being married that I can't get out of a long-term relationship?
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I think the best chance I can give you is, I mean, it's, there's like tangibles and intangibles.
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I'll try to give you some tangibles because the intangibles are a little bit more loosey-goosey.
02:16:08.440
Every single stat we have suggests that people that get married, they live two years longer
02:16:16.300
Um, you're, there's been a lot of longitudinal happiness indexes suggesting people that are
02:16:21.580
I don't know if that same data has been gathered for people that are just cohabitating, uh,
02:16:26.800
We know that people that are married have better, happier, more successful children.
02:16:31.420
I don't, I don't know about that compared to cohabitation though.
02:16:34.140
But yeah, wouldn't that be, you're saying people who are married are faring better in
02:16:39.580
all these, um, different ways, but wouldn't that just be comparing it to the general
02:16:45.480
Well, it would be general population and people that are cohabitating, but maybe you're
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As far as I know, we don't have the data for people that are cohabitating just because
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But like from personal experience, you're kind of right.
02:16:59.360
I've noticed like married couples are happier and then people who've been together a while
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but don't get married, like it's not as happy of a relationship or secure as a marriage.
02:17:11.140
Like if, take a girl that I'm in a seven-year relationship with, or maybe let's say three-year
02:17:16.100
relationship, and then it continues, you have two different paths, right?
02:17:28.100
I think deep down subconsciously, I'll talk about the intangibles now.
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I think that knowing that you have sworn a legal lifelong oath of fidelity, a contract
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with this person reduces the chances that you'll break up over some stupid argument.
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I think it increases your longevity as a relationship.
02:17:41.640
Another really strong tangible, it just popped in my brain because I have a stay-at-home spouse
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Like the tax benefit of having a no-income stay-at-home spouse is way better.
02:17:57.060
She like kind of artificially bumps me down because she has no income.
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But I don't think the financial, at least for me, I recognize that that might be a benefit
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That financial component is not incentive enough for me to want to get married.
02:18:24.500
But you're going to consider having kids regardless?
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How do you explain to your kids like why you didn't marry, like, why didn't you marry
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I tell them that I'm deeply in love with her and I just chose not to get the government
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I don't need the state involved in my relationship.
02:18:55.540
I don't need to have some fucking bullshit ceremony where we waste...
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As far as the marriage ceremony goes, I think it's a waste of money.
02:19:13.120
You can get married on the beach and it not be, like, super, like...
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I don't need the government to tell me that that's my wife.
02:19:21.040
But, like, so you would wear the rings and stuff.
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No, I mean, we don't need to play dress up, but that's my girl.
02:19:39.500
Would you personally, privately, no state entity involved, no religious entity involved,
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would you, one-on-one with the woman you've chosen to spend your life with in an unmarried
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Would you have a private conversation where you swear your loyalty to her until the day
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Would you have that conversation off the record, no paperwork?
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Brian, I swear my life to you until the day I die.
02:20:11.120
It's not that oath of long-term commitment you're worried about.
02:20:19.880
Like, when it comes to marriage, what are the words they say?
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How low would that number have to be for you to feel comfortable?
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If it was 5%, I probably just wouldn't even bother.
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You know I'm a businessman because you find me at my places
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And so, I'm not gonna sign a contract with someone
02:21:29.200
I make a lot more money per year by being married.
02:21:31.640
It bumps me down significantly into another tax bracket.
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We're gonna be married 50, 60 years until one of us dies.
02:21:47.360
Okay, how much would I lose if we got divorced?
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13%, but I'm probably smarter than most people,
02:22:37.800
In fact, people are really quick to just be like,
02:24:08.580
Oh, man, the super chats are fucking brutal tonight.
02:24:33.740
Did any of you girls want to weigh in on the marriage?
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I think if you're going to be with someone forever,
02:24:48.080
it allows for a bigger area for your wife to leave you
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I think that marriage adds security to a relationship.
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because I don't really care about a woman's finances.
02:25:16.820
that, like, bro, I'm going to get fucked financially.
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who stopped working to fulfill her domestic duties.
02:25:40.700
I think probably the key foundational axiomatic issue
02:25:46.900
is the absolute deterioration and degenerate rot
02:25:52.880
The traditional man-woman-raising-children-happy-household
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All of these people come from single-parent households.
02:26:15.520
So if you want to talk about getting rid of no-fault divorce,
02:26:19.820
But to act like a stay-at-home spouse or wife does nothing
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and all of them are only doing it to steal money from men.
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And the woman who's engaged in that relationship,
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The second you have a breakdown of family units like this,
02:26:54.920
I mean, just my pushback on that is you can have a family,
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I think the odds of long-term success are lower.
02:27:24.740
Could I still potentially be on the hook for alimony?
02:27:46.760
That's when you saw the absolute explosion in divorce rates.
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Curiously, divorce rates are the lowest right now
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Tied to our marriage rates being as low as they've ever been.
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divorce rates are the lowest they've been since the 1970s.
02:28:21.760
Do you object to men caring about women's body count?
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like, I wouldn't care about a guy's body count either.
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so I don't feel like he should care about mine.
02:30:52.420
Like you called yourself a high roller earlier,
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You said something about yourself making money,
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I just never got a chance to put that point in earlier.
02:31:12.360
why are you talking about how much money you make
02:31:21.280
So why don't you pay the bill on the first date?
02:31:39.320
It was just in the context of the conversation about marriage,
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that because I do make a decent amount of money,
02:32:12.040
and, like, worrying about how much money you're making.
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Like, it's not a question of the money necessarily.
02:32:44.180
He's a high earner, but he doesn't pay the bill.
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Did you do, like, cocaine in the bathroom or something?