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00:01:57.540 guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age and occupation go ahead my name is lexi

00:02:03.720 uh i'm 22 years old and um i'm a full-time sex worker okay you said 22 right i mean 23 my birthday

00:02:11.360 was in september okay 23 full-time s worker and when you say when you say that what what does that

00:02:16.840 entail um i do only fans i dance at strip clubs and i'm also a courtesan there you go you've been

00:02:25.380 working on it i remembered you did your research yeah i committed it to me all right awesome yeah so

00:02:31.000 i'm a legal courtesan which is a legal escort in nevada carson city nevada at the bunny ranch the

00:02:37.160 bunny ranch and it wasn't there or one of them burned down right one of the ranches i don't know

00:02:43.720 if it was the bunny ranch or a different one kit kat the kit kat just like a couple did they get

00:02:48.160 sued by who who owns kit kat uh i think it's madam madam suzette madam suzette but it burned down it

00:02:55.560 was no no i mean the confectionary the hershey oh i think it's hershey i think hershey candy

00:03:02.200 that's like a trademark that could be a trademark thing oh man i didn't even think about that

00:03:07.220 i think that's what happens they got mad yeah okay what about you hi my name is aaron welcome

00:03:16.360 back thank you brian uh also known as straighterade online i'm 24 and my current job is just gig stuff

00:03:24.300 and i'm gonna move to miami soon and then once i do that i'm hopefully gonna start streaming full-time

00:03:28.760 okay where did the moniker straighterade what's the origin story there uh when i was in seventh

00:03:34.940 grade i everyone thinks i did it like it's a play on gatorade well yeah yes get that part

00:03:41.340 in that part um but because i've been straight edge uh since i was 16 so it's supposed to be in

00:03:47.800 reference to that not just a play on that but yeah are you still straight edge okay what so what i mean

00:03:53.200 what does it mean to be straight edge to be straight edge you don't drink you don't you know drinking no

00:03:57.420 smoking i don't drink caffeine either i'm also vegan so vegan since i was 16 also okay that's the

00:04:05.480 whole package all right what about you i'm lauren roses i'm a musician i'm 31 and i work at the bunny

00:04:13.140 ranch brothel uh in nevada and i've also worked for a pr company too okay how long have you been

00:04:20.080 working uh as a escort courtesan i would say as the bunny ranch since 2018 okay yeah got it all right

00:04:29.380 and you also you this is your second time on the show you're also a shaman i'm oh i got a show i

00:04:37.400 okay so you said you took a shaman class i did i did so i did a sexual shaman retreat you're a sex

00:04:43.100 shaman i i wish but you wish you're not there yet you're an apprentice sex shaman i'm trying junior

00:04:49.520 sex shaman what i i'm into uh sacred sexuality and i'm very into tantra okay um in i'm going to

00:04:57.320 florida uh in february uh and there's a tantra practitioner i'm going to be working with uh for

00:05:02.980 another retreat and i'm super excited have you played world of warcraft at all um i never played

00:05:09.000 it but i've heard of it because like shaman like it's a class you know so like did you play horde or

00:05:14.940 alliance oh horde or are we talking vanilla so it was just horde so like orc troll or tauren

00:05:21.280 when everything of horde i think of split and he's a horde like what was your build like were

00:05:26.200 you resto enhancement elemental like what was your spec oh man um i didn't for rating like typically

00:05:33.920 rating and classic like you're only going to be playing resto but like some guilds that are a bit

00:05:37.980 more relaxed they might allow like a elemental or enhancement shaman element or shaman sounds really

00:05:43.780 cool okay got it all right what about you uh my name's angie i'm 19 and i work at the movies and i

00:05:50.480 have a clothing brand got it what's tell us your what your clothing brand is it's infinity apparel it's

00:05:54.880 this i have like stacked sweatpants with like rhinestone as you could see okay yeah i just started

00:06:01.340 like six months ago are you also a student too or just just working right now i actually moved here

00:06:06.080 to be a student and then i dropped out why did you uh you were going to santa barbara city college

00:06:10.420 yeah i was going to city college and it was just too much to like make enough to like live and go to

00:06:15.980 school you know so it was just too much to go to school and make a living so i just choose to like

00:06:21.920 work full-time okay got it what about you my name is tracy but i go by lexi i work at ups and i'm a

00:06:28.160 full-time poker player age 23 23 okay welcome what about you hi my name's fallon i'm 18

00:06:35.420 and um i'm a second year at ucsb what are you studying at ucsb sociology sociology okay all right

00:06:44.740 all right uh my name is mary morgan i am a commentator at timcast media i'm on a show

00:06:51.140 called pop culture crisis and i'm 23 years old

00:06:55.300 my name is abigail i'm 20 years old and um i'm a nanny and also a boys gymnastics coach

00:07:07.300 all right welcome thank you i'm dave rubin i'm 47 years old which feels really old suddenly at this

00:07:16.060 table and uh i host the rubin report and i've written a couple books and uh i live in the free

00:07:21.340 state of florida and i've returned i've returned to california did you previously you previously

00:07:25.920 lived in california in la for eight years got the hell out of here during covid i've been very tempted

00:07:30.860 to get out of california maybe florida maybe uh maybe las vegas no income tax you know you should

00:07:39.100 only move to florida if you want to live a happy life and save a lot of money and live really what

00:07:43.360 what would what uh precipitated you to uh move oh it was every covid taxes just the crime the drugs

00:07:51.640 the homeless just the whole thing i got audited by the state three days after the recall which i

00:07:56.240 campaigned for that'll that'll do it that'll do it okay well oh beaten cheeks donated 99 dollars

00:08:03.800 one of my favorite conservative voices dave rubin please educate these girls on how bad the degeneracy

00:08:11.040 is in the world to these lips don't hold back your punches like on other platforms also how are

00:08:17.720 these brokies like erin moving to miami destinies would you like to comment on that erin no i wish

00:08:25.060 destiny or somebody else was financing my move but no i'm doing that myself he's not like helping you

00:08:30.560 out like no sugar daddy no okay he should cut me a check i've been on a stream enough like one of

00:08:36.680 his most viewed videos is like us debating on at ut oh the change my mind yeah the change my mind

00:08:42.180 segment okay got it what what was the topic on that it was uh wokeness has gone too far oh okay

00:08:48.320 interesting and then also um we have josie ann here you may recognize her from previous appearances

00:08:54.560 she's also in the chat a lot uh she's gonna be joining the panel a little bit later on probably in

00:08:59.200 about two hours we have uh we're doing a little switch out because uh we have uh dave will be here for

00:09:05.260 about two hours so we have him for two hours then josie will come on in so all right uh we're gonna

00:09:09.660 go around the table once more so please tell us your relationship status so are you you know are

00:09:15.920 you single are you in a relationship um are you uh polyamorous situationship talking stage

00:09:24.280 polycule sex cult harem uh if you're single how long have you been single and what's your current

00:09:32.740 relationship or excuse me uh your longest relationship go ahead i'm currently single

00:09:39.220 i do not wish to be in a relationship anytime soon um my longest relationship has been four years

00:09:46.580 in the past okay and i've been single for about two and a half years all right

00:09:53.340 you said you do not wish to be in a relationship is that correct why is that because i'm focusing on

00:10:02.940 my career right now so i don't see a future in uh me being in a relationship with anybody right now

00:10:09.900 focusing on your career yes okay so you're you're focusing on your work yes how long do you want to

00:10:16.440 be involved do you think in the industry um so i'm 23 right now uh i have a plan to make my money

00:10:24.300 and save my money and then invest and uh i'm gonna be starting to go to school soon so sure um

00:10:32.720 yeah right now i'm like happy with what i'm doing with my life so i don't know

00:10:39.880 when i will be wanting to ever get into a relationship right now you know what i mean

00:10:46.260 so what about you i am in a relationship of three months now whoa practically i know huge change wow

00:10:54.780 okay last because last time you were on you were single if i recall yep never been in a relationship

00:10:59.420 never been on a date now i've done both so i am surprised why congratulations i'm such a cat

00:11:07.060 wow brian damn um how did you guys meet how did you guys meet uh from the show like he dm'd you

00:11:19.000 he's like oh my god i see you on whatever i love you no he's not red filled so well he didn't watch

00:11:23.460 whatever he could have been hate watching no he wouldn't waste his time like that so okay but we

00:11:28.620 did meet because he wouldn't waste his time hate watching that's what i mean do you think he's

00:11:35.900 watching right now i know he's watching right now i was messaging right before oh so he would waste

00:11:40.300 his time hate watching but he's not hate watching he's watching for me like yeah but if i weren't on

00:11:45.460 the show he would not watch okay go on so how did you guys meet uh we met through me just streaming

00:11:53.160 he's actually in destiny's community um maybe up is he also a streamer uh yeah

00:11:58.260 would would i know his name is he small no youtube youtube no small twitch uh twitch uh his

00:12:06.460 name is his yeah twitch kick he's chatterbait no not yet no only fans yet either yes what's next

00:12:13.480 his name is uh his at is like in cooks and he does like gaming and he's gonna start doing like

00:12:18.580 cooking content so it's cook cat lichen lichen cooks okay all right congrats thank you we're

00:12:27.420 really happy congratulations what about you um so i guess my my longest situationship i will say

00:12:34.920 was five years and that was that was pretty interesting i was only like 18 at the time but

00:12:40.700 then um i think my longest relationship like two ish almost three um i'm single now and if i was in a

00:12:48.140 relationship i would need it open on the guy's end uh because now i kind of have a new situation

00:12:55.620 and uh i feel comfortable if they have someone else there uh if things get too crazy uh with me

00:13:04.240 yeah uh well what's your current relationship status single single okay and then how long have

00:13:10.900 you been single i'll probably say like since i started back at the ranch that was 2000 i don't

00:13:19.200 know if it was 2021 or 20 right after covid so i said 2021 2021 right after like two or three years

00:13:28.200 yeah single okay got it all right what about you i'm in my first relationship and we live together

00:13:34.380 and we've been together for like three months okay yeah once you guys live together already we moved

00:13:42.020 in like a week after we met because he didn't have a place to stay oh he moved in with you and i just

00:13:47.240 like and yeah oh you guys live together it's like college life you know so we met and then he kind of

00:13:52.520 just stayed with me and i was like don't leave and then he just now yeah now we all live together

00:13:57.640 wait are you are you guys housemates or roommates housemates so did you have a roommate yeah i moved

00:14:05.500 like three different places and he likes just went with me to each one but now he helps pay so

00:14:10.320 okay so it's it's you your boyfriend you and my boyfriend and your boyfriend okay got it okay

00:14:18.140 what about you um i am newly single so i just got out of single yeah i just got on my relationship of

00:14:25.180 like one year and a half who broke up with who man it was mutual i mean like because the

00:14:30.680 communication and us not talking was a very tough time for us and he's a lot older so um we just

00:14:35.820 decided to part ways how much older is he he's 32 32 got it okay and you're 23 yeah um and so it was

00:14:46.280 a mutual breakup you guys were together for how long again a year and a half a year and a half by the

00:14:51.780 way we did meet at a club so i would just suggest you know slowly wait what's the thing about the

00:14:58.200 club you know how she said they just sorry hold on just beaten cheeks donated 99 erin since you seem

00:15:05.600 to like a feminized boy you and dave have something in common liking the same sex except dave is alpha

00:15:12.160 type unlike the boy you have how cute it is women like the first three why dave quit on women in the

00:15:19.340 world did you ever date women i i did oh a long time ago yeah i didn't know that yeah why did you

00:15:30.200 quit women i retired you retired yeah i got out of the grind you know who needs it sure do you have

00:15:36.920 a response aaron to beaten cheeks uh no but money well spent telling me that my boyfriend's

00:15:43.880 feminized is is he feminized would you consider your boyfriend feminized i don't know who he is so

00:15:47.960 no he's a veteran so that you had marine corps yeah he's in the marines okay cool so i mean there

00:15:55.940 are feminine dudes in the marine corps but he wasn't one of them okay wait did does beaten cheeks know

00:16:02.080 your boyfriend because being cheeks was oh being cheeks was in the air force who is this is this

00:16:10.060 beaten cheeks you do not know who beaten cheeks is no wow okay you can inform me who is it is it

00:16:18.240 like a ship he's he's very he's very notable person on the internet he's he's kind of famous

00:16:23.980 he can't be that famous right

00:16:28.840 gotcha uh i think we were we left off with you yeah yeah the thing about the club um she said that

00:16:36.320 you know you just met your significant other um and you guys just moved in right away just that's

00:16:41.100 very fast i did that with also my significant other we had met at the club and then like a week

00:16:46.700 later we were we were with each other every single day and then i moved in with him fairly

00:16:51.280 quick so yeah that's probably like how quickly did you move in with your now ex-boyfriend um well we

00:16:58.220 met at the club and then he just started staying at my house like every single day me too yeah yeah

00:17:03.040 right and then sometimes i'd be like so if you find that a little bit off-putting i mean alaska

00:17:09.780 is really small so everybody knows everybody yeah i'm from alaska anchorage and shout out to my

00:17:15.220 hometown you know but everybody knows everybody and so we kind of just met outside the club

00:17:20.720 you know took him home that night and then we were with each other every single day for like a year

00:17:25.520 and a half and i moved in with him like a month later that gives me the ick

00:17:29.500 why you say that why is that yeah i mean i don't know i just feel like

00:17:34.180 that's too soon yeah no that's that's what i'm saying like that situation guys wanting to like

00:17:39.640 move in right away and you know what i mean that's well i was he homeless do you like like

00:17:45.100 that's what i mean like maybe that's why he has his own house like he has a three-story house

00:17:49.620 oh sorry hold on just a sec yo grid one thank you man at least dave went out on top someone paid a

00:17:56.940 hundred dollars for that oh welcome welcome to the whatever podcast they just yo grid one what's my

00:18:03.040 cut on that grid one thank you man um so did he just got out of prison no no we just met at a club

00:18:12.460 and then that's he has a three-story house but he moved in with you no i moved in with him i moved

00:18:17.440 oh you moved in with him for some reason yeah i got rid of my lease and then anybody else here he

00:18:21.940 moved in with sorry no i'm that's what i thought yeah that's what i thought i think because you

00:18:25.800 mentioned you said he came and then he never left your place yeah like so the night like that we

00:18:30.360 met he was at my house like the whole week so i kind of did think that he was like had nowhere to

00:18:34.760 go you know and then next thing later like i pulled up to his house i'm like holy cow like

00:18:39.760 i'm a little shit together you know i'm a little out of game are most people just dating because

00:18:43.440 they're looking for housing now is that basically what's going on yeah you know so it was just like

00:18:52.460 i didn't just see his house i was like oh i want to move in it was like i already had my own place

00:18:57.460 and he asked me hey do you want to move in and so that's what i did so we started our relationship

00:19:01.800 off like was that was that the case for you you moved in for early on for financial reason no

00:19:06.980 there i've definitely seen these memes online of people like trying to get linked up in a

00:19:12.240 relationship to save money on rent have you seen those i've seen that i hope he's not watching

00:19:16.920 no i did not pay no bills but that doesn't give me the ick as like you know what i mean because he

00:19:22.640 you had your own place then he asked you to move in with him that's like cool yeah you know also

00:19:29.080 let's just but the other way around it was it's kind of weird you know what i mean let's define what

00:19:33.920 the ick is what is the ick what is ick how do you define the the ick is there a difference between

00:19:41.780 ick and the ick what is the i don't know the ick is when is that adjective about something and there's

00:19:50.100 just no going back your opinion on that person or whatever it is can't be changed because you were

00:19:55.880 just so grossed out or weirded out by it yeah i know you don't clean your aquarium water enough

00:20:02.160 you get ick you get but you get the ick or do you get ick the fish get the ick they get the ick

00:20:09.080 and i think what makes it the ick also is it's just a switch randomly like you feel fine and then

00:20:20.400 and then there's no going back have you felt the ick before i think every girl has i think so i think

00:20:26.240 it's when your brain switches from thinking like this is a potential mate to i feel like i feel like

00:20:32.080 it might be the equivalent because i don't know because i'm not a dude but it could be the equivalent

00:20:35.660 to post-nut clarity maybe uh i'm not sure about that because you could get horny again so never

00:20:42.120 mind maybe but it's just kind of like ew yeah there's post-coital rage where a man gets angry

00:20:48.460 after an orgasm like and that's awesome yeah yeah they and they get re and i have to ask you

00:20:54.580 i've had that experience yeah have you dave have you no i've just shut it down that's it yeah there's

00:21:02.460 this dave chapelle has a joke i think it's related to louis ck but a man who has just

00:21:08.340 ejaculated is the least threatening motherfucker there is that's what i thought fair enough

00:21:13.920 you don't have as much testosterone yeah there's trauma yeah unless you have trauma like sexual

00:21:20.480 trauma yeah you you eject you you climax and then so this is how they use a lot at the bunny ranch

00:21:27.300 a rat this is a lot this happens in the regular world is this a workplace is how that place burned

00:21:32.580 down yes oh sorry hold on she's estimated 99 yeah thank you cheeks the guy that move in with that

00:21:38.740 female not only have bad financial problems but was he also in 300 credit score with the irs coming

00:21:45.680 after him no way in my desperate broke days would i move in with such a creature you don't even have

00:21:51.840 a credit card so how how long have you guys been together three months three months he's he's just

00:22:01.100 now starting to pay a little bit of rent you should pay all the bills a month but i pay for food i pay

00:22:08.460 for like i drive him do you like that arrangement we're gonna get better hopefully it's working it's

00:22:15.500 uh you know look oh when i just had a conversation with him yesterday about it but we're gonna just see

00:22:20.160 what happens but i mean you really like him right you like him and you feel as though it's it's worth it

00:22:25.180 because you really like the guy yeah i want to bring a week is a bit early though yeah i do feel

00:22:30.860 like moving in after just not a week it was like we were both in a situation where like we kind of

00:22:36.580 needed to okay like same with her like we were all in a situation like we needed to just like move so

00:22:41.900 okay perfect yeah it's like literally yeah wait but you said you moved like four or five times in

00:22:48.060 the past three times three times in the past three months yeah what's what's going on it just didn't

00:22:53.460 work out with the roommates and then yeah like you didn't like them or yeah well the first one

00:22:59.140 made from hell the first ones we were too loud and then they said we were gonna get evicted if we

00:23:03.180 didn't move out so we moved and then the next ones they were too messy and like we just didn't really

00:23:08.220 get along that well and i had my boyfriend at my house all the time and they didn't really like that

00:23:12.100 yeah and then this is the third house okay good times what's the appropriate time that people

00:23:17.860 usually wait before they move in with someone though marriage i would say i think most people

00:23:23.960 probably do it in the first six months no when you know it's till death do you part because now you

00:23:28.480 don't have to deal with moving out and you're just putting yourself in a vulnerable situation with

00:23:35.280 someone that you're not sure if you're spending your life with that just doesn't seem like a smart

00:23:39.280 if you buy a place together i think it would be vulnerable but if you're just renting and i think

00:23:43.620 there's like just this level of familiarity that i don't want to have with my boyfriend before we're

00:23:50.280 married yeah like i want there to be at least some mystery there if you're i want him to see me at my

00:23:58.200 best you know if you look at and that's why you wouldn't move in like until you're married it's one

00:24:04.000 of the reasons yeah if you i feel like if you want to know if your relationship's going to be like

00:24:08.540 resilient i feel like you probably should move in together so you can really see if you guys are

00:24:12.700 compatible like cohabitating in the same space i believe that you can get to know someone well

00:24:18.840 enough without moving in together i agree and in fact there are extra pressures that are introduced

00:24:25.180 once you move in together that are not helpful to discerning a lifelong commitment with someone

00:24:32.620 that's what i was going to say about that can i add something okay if you look at statistics too

00:24:37.300 your relationship or your marriage is likely going to last longer if you wait it out and you

00:24:43.640 don't move in together so if you care about this guy or if you're a guy and you care about the girl

00:24:48.700 and you want the relationship to last it's not a bad idea to look at the statistics and follow them

00:24:55.060 i've seen those stats but i know that there's going to be selection bias because the people who are more

00:24:59.360 likely to abstain from living together before they get married are also usually religious and most

00:25:04.360 religious people are also going to be resistant to like separating or getting divorced so that kind

00:25:08.720 of skews that statistic i think most people you know society is becoming like increasingly like

00:25:13.440 secular and but do you think that that like defines the statistic is just religious people no it's just

00:25:20.720 a bias to keep in mind yeah but i don't think it makes a big enough difference

00:25:24.500 thank you man appreciate it moving in with a woman too early is a risk a year lease with a soul

00:25:32.640 sucker 2000 as a roommate can destroy your life not something to do right out of the gate

00:25:38.640 constantly if her toothbrush appears in the first month bail thank you grid one motorsports much

00:25:45.720 appreciated i think also if you need to end a relationship you're less likely to when you have

00:25:50.480 this financial pressure of moving out so if there is a good reason to end a relationship you're going

00:25:56.640 to feel like oh but then i'll have to pay my own rent i can't split rent anymore all these different

00:26:01.720 things so i can keep you in an unhealthy situation you also financial pressures are going to exist even

00:26:08.020 in marriage though like people who would probably be better off separating and not being married any

00:26:12.700 longer probably more likely to remain in a relationship that's not satisfying for them

00:26:16.260 just for financial reasons which is to me not the correct the best well i mean i don't believe

00:26:21.180 that a marital relationship exists to satisfy each individual and make you feel it's not about

00:26:30.820 individually it's about the other person my doctor told me i shouldn't ever live alone like with my

00:26:36.660 condition so they they said you should never live alone and i'm just like oh okay uh also when you

00:26:44.380 move in with them early it's hard to know if you're like moving in with the person or with how the

00:26:49.960 person's making you feel and the way that person is making you feel is likely going to change so it's

00:26:56.860 just a better idea to wait it out get to know the person and really know who you're moving in with

00:27:03.560 when you say it's going to change do you mean like in a negative direction or positive it's possible

00:27:08.120 it's possible that the way that you feel about the person is going to change in a negative direction

00:27:12.600 and now you're not going to feel very good in your own home and you're want to get you're going

00:27:17.220 to want to get out it happens the opposite could happen too i think it's just could but that's why

00:27:22.200 you wait it out and figure out to see but that i don't think that reason alone would be a reason to

00:27:26.680 not move in together or like before marriage or i guess just quickly because you could always

00:27:30.940 discover something about your partner that you just like either gives you the ick or makes you not

00:27:34.540 like them anymore it's one of many reasons why you shouldn't move in with them early

00:27:38.260 ever like until you get married it's there's circumstances where i guess but um it's if you

00:27:47.060 look at the statistics you shouldn't move in and the exception doesn't really make the rule

00:27:51.160 i mean personally just not a good idea what i practice and what i believe is abstinence until

00:27:56.040 marriage so for anyone who has that value uh and aspires toward that living together is not a good

00:28:03.080 idea just pragmatically it's a bad idea so that's another reason why i don't live with my boyfriend

00:28:08.380 seven deadly simps donated 100 yeah thank you man hey erin he is hoping you don't get kicked off

00:28:16.720 again speaking of which are you still a virgin have you done the deed yet shacked boned banged

00:28:24.880 screwed nailed scored smashed boarded the beef bus 777 decilions oh my god all right thank you

00:28:34.960 do you want to do you want to answer the question there if i was still a virgin i never said i would

00:28:42.320 told anyone i didn't say i was a virgin i didn't well that tilly and seven hundred and seventy seven

00:28:48.260 that's kind of what seven hundred and seventy people were kind of assuming hundred and seventy

00:28:52.420 seven billion seven all right let's just wait this out do you want to answer seven thousand seven

00:28:57.840 hundred and seventy seven do you want to answer them yeah you think people assume from your community

00:29:03.360 that i was a virgin i got way i saw way more speculation that like oh she's probably got a train ran

00:29:08.220 through her that's why she doesn't want to fucking answer which college did you go to uh i went to

00:29:12.080 utrgb do they have like a d1 basketball team no okay football team or is that d3 or oh i i have no

00:29:20.140 clue like okay it's part of the ut austin network or whatever i know people care about like the

00:29:24.460 longhorns or whatever but utrgb is just like a uh border university it's part of that system though

00:29:29.340 okay not known for sports no no greek i don't think we have greek life either so yeah just bringing it

00:29:34.760 back to the whole uh cohabitation thing i and to grid one motor sports his uh his tts i do think

00:29:41.940 it's certainly a risk to move in way way too early because you don't know the person well enough

00:29:47.120 yet and uh you've basically i'm almost looking at it from a legal liability point of view where you

00:29:54.040 basically have established a tendency and if you don't like this person you would you may have to go

00:29:59.620 through the process of actually evicting this person who we're not on the restraining order

00:30:05.240 even though we're not on the squatters rights if they say they're like 30 days

00:30:08.920 you you guys aren't on the lease where at our house yeah but you guys are legally whether you

00:30:16.840 have a written lease or not they're a tenant you're a tenant yes if they've had a piece of

00:30:21.560 mail delivered to your residence in their name or they've been there for like 30 days i think that

00:30:26.140 establishes tenancy and if you wanted them to leave you would have to go to like a court to have

00:30:30.480 them evicted formally no no but anything it's because we're not allowed we're not technically

00:30:36.240 we're not allowed well it doesn't matter you're technically in the eyes of the law you're technically

00:30:40.020 tenants but what i'm saying is if if you like move in your girlfriend or you move in with her

00:30:44.380 um i think from from the male perspective if you have some girl who you just met moved into your house

00:30:50.760 and you haven't properly vetted her and it doesn't work out romantically she technically could

00:30:56.940 stay there and you would have to evict her and that could take months to get her out meanwhile

00:31:02.500 she's you don't know what the situation could be so what if it's like because what you're talking

00:31:07.800 about i think is really volatile where if it's like you just happen into it because they didn't leave

00:31:11.900 you know like oh they just stayed and then after 30 days or whatever then that's the situation but

00:31:16.180 what if like a couple after like two months is like we want to move out of our own places and move

00:31:20.840 in together sign a lease and do it properly would you say that's as volatile two months is certainly a

00:31:25.780 longer screening process than one week uh i still think it i would wait much longer than that though

00:31:32.480 so like how much six months minimum minimum honestly i don't even recommend it though i think

00:31:39.180 in the interest of girls i don't think that they should be performing wifely duties for their

00:31:44.740 boyfriend yeah you're not gonna be doing your laundry period no on the first mary on the first day

00:31:51.620 mary on the first date you bring a girl over you have her fold your laundry have you done this

00:31:56.840 brian i have done it and what do they think sandwich you have to get the basics out of the way

00:32:02.020 i'm like if a girl if a girl just gets right into it boom boom boom starts folding she does it all

00:32:07.660 expertly and shit and she bows that's i'd like about oh nick can you find that that video if she bows

00:32:14.000 it's i'm i'm gonna marry her we're doing this all over it's a little pillow man on there exactly but

00:32:18.620 moving in together doesn't mean that you have to start doing the wifely duties you could totally

00:32:22.020 no it doesn't i just think a lot of girls unintentionally fall into that situation

00:32:25.640 where they start acting like a wife to convince the guy to propose to them and that is not the

00:32:32.660 way to do it well is the guy providing yeah exactly pick me choose me because i can fold your laundry

00:32:37.340 i'm gonna fold your laundry on the first date that's like that's not what i mean like i'm gonna come

00:32:41.280 over and fold your laundry on the first date that's like if he gets a maid and a sex worker

00:32:45.840 essentially like why would he marry you in the first place like why i mean if what is his

00:32:50.540 grid one motorsports donated 100 chick moves in gets the ick gets drunk and pissed next thing you

00:33:00.040 know she has the copus there and dude catches a case playing with fire gets you burned yep just

00:33:06.020 rescued a friend from this one in the chat if you know this song yeah i mean there's also like that

00:33:12.840 potential risk there when you're cohabitating like uh there's you know also a lot of uh like if

00:33:19.960 there's even if it's like inter what's it called intra partner violence and it's like mutual or

00:33:25.880 something not that i'm advocating that somebody do that but uh there's like the duluth model so even if

00:33:33.120 she's the aggressor you're gonna get arrested as the guy in a domestic situation so there's definitely

00:33:38.800 some in addition to like tenancy issues there's other legal liabilities with cohabitating there's

00:33:44.660 biases against men when it comes to like the the duluth model that will just assume even if

00:33:49.260 who pretty much the bigger person is going to get arrested even if the the smaller person was the

00:33:54.140 aggressor so you don't think they should endure

00:33:56.080 that would turn into such a stupid clip that got so blown out of proportion like at least we can

00:34:04.040 by the way i didn't say and i didn't say anything during that entire segment i was neither did i and

00:34:09.280 i also said that divorce but no definitely permissible in the cases of abuse but no you

00:34:15.700 should not ensure and i was accused by destiny of saying the opposite and he said you 1000 hate

00:34:22.260 abuse victims and i mean you couldn't i think look at a more obvious straw man than that that was insane

00:34:29.940 i guess because like mld is more aligned with you guys ideologically not like what not you but you

00:34:35.560 what am i you don't know what you you what do you think i'm making i don't think i agree with mld

00:34:41.020 about almost anything i disagree i mean first i certainly disavow the statement he made but

00:34:46.160 uh well i was gonna say like i don't think it's unreasonable for the audience to assume that you

00:34:51.880 guys are just more ideologically similar you know and that like from that conversation they will take

00:34:57.520 your silence or like a lack of pushback on some on someone saying something as egregious as that

00:35:01.840 as like a tacit endorsement whether or not it's right or wrong i'm saying i think that's what

00:35:05.700 happens like the assumption is yeah that's what happens but i mean and i i had a conversation with

00:35:10.380 destiny about this and he kind of echoed basically exactly what you said i mean i don't think unless

00:35:16.940 a person unless you hear explicitly says something that even if they're just sitting next to somebody

00:35:24.320 or they agree with them on certain other things that that necessarily means that they

00:35:28.340 agree with them on everything i guess because it's such an outrageous claim that like statement

00:35:32.820 for mld to say yeah for it to just be like for you as the host to like let it stand and not be like

00:35:38.540 to be clear guys i disavow or like that's his perspective not mine like let's say hypothetically

00:35:43.960 you invited a neo-nazi on your platform okay i don't think i would do that but okay okay so you

00:35:48.320 like hypothetically you invite this guest on and they start saying just some crazy shit okay

00:35:53.220 about jews being really really racist anti-semitic like bigoted in that instance is this girl a

00:35:59.760 buzzkill or what go ahead if they if they said something like that would you not feel like

00:36:03.920 speaking up to make sure like hey i don't endorse that it's an extreme but i mean that that's a very

00:36:10.680 extreme example first off i would say i would not invite somebody like that on my platform to begin

00:36:15.960 with um but uh i i would also say that we were like four and a half hours five five hours into

00:36:24.000 that podcast i was i was actually not even doing that much talking even as the host for that episode

00:36:29.940 um and i don't know if you recall i like literally got up and like laid down for 10 minutes because i

00:36:36.420 was having like i have the neck issues neck issues so i was kind of checked out to be honest but like

00:36:41.800 yeah i mean so final answer you should not endure you should not i just wanted to see if there was

00:36:49.140 ever like i guess an outrageous claim made if there's ever something that you would feel like i

00:36:53.180 just have to say i don't agree because to let it stand might give the wrong impression look um

00:36:58.220 but if you're saying you don't endorse it i believe you i know i didn't i don't endorse it and and

00:37:02.300 look um i believe whether you're a man or a woman you have the right to leave an abusive marriage

00:37:08.400 yeah so brave divorce um if that's controversial yes yeah and uh it was hard for him for mld

00:37:15.300 mld he's his own individual he's entitled to his own opinion on the topic he was also i think eight

00:37:21.760 white claws deep so yeah oh is he getting wasted he was like she shouldn't burn the dinner then if

00:37:28.200 she doesn't want to oh i have a feeling that's where he was at even if you were sober dead sober would

00:37:33.640 have said do you think so i could be wrong i don't know he's open he's welcome to prove me wrong in

00:37:38.020 any case whether he was drunk or not i certainly disagree with his position excuse me disavow uh

00:37:44.800 but moving on let's let's get through the intros for people's relationship status

00:37:48.280 uh what i think we left off with you what about you um i'm currently in my first relationship we've

00:37:55.700 been together for like the same time like three months okay but we've been like talking kinda

00:38:04.380 like hooking up not really talking with other people no no no with each other since january

00:38:11.700 oh so you were in a situation ship and now you're we weren't really in a situation ship

00:38:19.240 we were just hooking up friends with benefits was it open like you guys were seeing other people

00:38:25.000 really friends yeah you hated each other no we just didn't really talk unless he was there

00:38:32.040 what do you mean there like at my place so he would come over hook up leave pretty much that was it

00:38:39.960 does he live with you now yeah okay uh it's a necessitous great it's going great okay yeah

00:38:47.460 mary what about your relationship status i'm in my first and only relationship so far it's about

00:38:52.640 a year old all right um i'm married i've been married for about six months now are we still

00:39:01.000 saying how long of um our longest lasting relationship is uh just what your longest relationship is

00:39:09.180 yeah a year well almost a year but yeah i'm currently married and that's your longest relationship

00:39:15.960 no my previous relationship was my longest relationship how long have you been married

00:39:19.200 i've been married for six months but before we were married we were friends we weren't necessarily

00:39:24.160 like in a relationship okay did he propose when you were friends well the situation is kind of

00:39:29.860 funny we've been best friends for over two years and we were really close really good friends and

00:39:36.280 then i got in that relationship that i was talking about before the one that was almost a year

00:39:40.520 um broke up with that guy and then um he swooped in kind of not really it i didn't break up with this

00:39:49.700 guy for my current husband but i did know in the back of my head like he was an option he was a

00:39:56.240 possibility and so then the conversation came up we'd be like you know we'd make a really good married

00:40:01.620 couple um because we just get along so well and then after that conversation came up things kind of

00:40:08.540 changed we actually fell for each other uh and we both have god we have the same moral same values

00:40:14.340 it was really just too perfect to say no so we got married wait just just point of clarification

00:40:19.700 how long were you guys romantically dating before you got married um

00:40:24.540 maybe four months okay so friends for a period of time four months dating four months married how long

00:40:34.020 were you best friends for uh two years how long were you engaged two years okay sorry i'm trying

00:40:39.040 to put it together wait you were best friends while in a relationship uh when i was in that

00:40:43.660 relationship the friendship kind of faded and then at the end of the relationship we got back on being

00:40:49.600 best friends but no out of respect for the my boyfriend at the time i kind of like took a step back

00:40:56.760 and he understood why and he had no problem with it okay another point of clarification you're you said

00:41:03.600 your previous relationship was how long it was almost a year it was maybe like 10 months okay

00:41:09.260 so you break up with him how soon after breaking up with your 10 month boyfriend did you get into

00:41:14.260 dating your now husband maybe like becoming technical four months i think i don't know i've

00:41:21.180 never really thought about four months probably about four months i think that's really cool how he

00:41:24.740 could witness you being in love and still be there because there's some people that are like

00:41:28.200 you know that he wasn't interested in me and i wasn't interested in him but um there was your

00:41:33.600 friend and cared about he wasn't like i'm leaving like because he didn't have like no he wasn't just

00:41:38.560 friend zoned he would he had he was like waiting you know and no no no he pulls he pulled like crazy

00:41:46.100 so no your husband yeah before we were married like i need details so he didn't he didn't like just

00:41:52.140 wait and wait and hope for me to finally wait did you guys elope or was there an engagement or did you

00:41:57.440 just elope no we got we got married in a church there there he didn't like propose to me like

00:42:02.700 will you marry me we kind of just like yeah let's get married so technically we were engaged from that

00:42:07.740 point so like he didn't like ring on his knees like nothing like that no not not anything because

00:42:13.180 since our relationship started out as a best friendship that isn't really us like the whole

00:42:20.280 romantic or what do you mean no it morphed yeah things like him getting on his knee and proposing to

00:42:27.060 me it's just not really us you know word uh dave what about you uh well i've been married for eight

00:42:34.940 years we've been together for 13 years he's a dude which is interesting to people we have we have two

00:42:41.400 one-year-olds and uh i'm feeling very old right now because there's been several words that i have not

00:42:47.200 understood can i let me translate for you what was it uh what was it was it was that it was one and

00:42:53.900 then there was there was what was the pole what's the pole it's when you like he pulls girl yeah oh he

00:42:59.200 pulls oh he goes wow he's pulling got it got it got it okay all right got it and you said you're

00:43:05.480 married right how long have you been married for eight years eight years together about 13 yeah

00:43:09.840 god wow okay which in straight years that's like 50 years basically that's wow yeah is it that's a

00:43:14.900 long time okay interesting what do you mean by straight years yeah well you know because people

00:43:21.080 think gays don't have like normal relationships so if you've been with someone for eight years and

00:43:25.360 you're gay it's like 20 i have never heard of that i've learned something new every day and two

00:43:31.420 one-year-olds gay people that do have long-term relationships but then the majority of them

00:43:36.600 don't i guess i don't know we actually don't even have that many gay friends like the few that we

00:43:41.540 do are couples that have been together for a while but with kids usually when did you stop dating women

00:43:47.620 like a little bit after college i tried i really tried did you know you were gay all the time but you

00:43:55.800 just yeah kind of but like i was trying you know what i mean like i was really trying you wanted to be

00:44:00.900 yeah it's also like i'm 47 so i was in college in the early 90s it's very it was very different

00:44:07.000 it was very different back then than it was now like there was no you couldn't be like

00:44:11.480 normal and gay or anything like that was before gay marriage it was like it was like what the hell

00:44:16.400 is this thing you know what i mean so um so i tried i i the girls were playing themselves at you

00:44:22.320 yeah yeah i owe a lot of girls from back then a lot of apologies because it was like girls always

00:44:27.460 love me and i just like i tried but i pulled i pulled i was pulling dave was pulling yeah

00:44:33.040 he pulled unfortunately if he wanted to he would yeah yeah but not everything was working if you

00:44:39.240 know what i mean and uh yeah so dave but as far as the moving in and everything else you guys were

00:44:44.700 talking about like if you love the person and it's the right person that you're supposed to be

00:44:47.720 with it doesn't matter if you've been together for two months like if it's legit and real and you

00:44:52.140 know the person and it's not just because you they need a bed and you need some cash and like

00:44:57.320 you're supposed to be with them then it really there's no rule you could be with them for six

00:45:01.500 months and move in you there are people you will find people that have been together for 40 years

00:45:05.900 that knew each other for two weeks and they were like that's the one that's fair that's fair and

00:45:10.700 you do it you gotta figure you gotta do you uh did you go to college you went to college yeah where

00:45:16.120 did you go suny binghamton upstate new york oh okay was there like was it a party school kind of or

00:45:21.760 not i was a major pothead you were oh you were a pothead yeah i guess it was just a lot of weed

00:45:26.820 it was a lot of weed okay was there kind of like walking around santa barbara actually

00:45:30.480 yeah it's not a lot of weed you've been here before by the way a couple times okay but it's

00:45:34.180 been a while um and so would you uh when did you graduate from university 98 98 would you say i mean

00:45:41.520 you probably witnessed things was there because in colleges there there is uh certainly at least

00:45:47.480 today there's definitely a quite a big hookup culture was there a hookup culture oh yeah back in

00:45:52.380 the nine i mean you're basic i think actually it seems probably back then people were probably

00:45:59.020 having sex more i think people probably now between porn and uh whatever like you're just

00:46:05.480 getting off in different ways where back then you actually like if you wanted to like get off you

00:46:09.340 had to like find somebody to get off with a body you know yeah yeah you have sex with someone else

00:46:14.960 it was weird yeah brian you said hookup culture but as far as i know aren't zoomers like

00:46:19.040 losing their virginity later and later i is there like a statistic or yeah that is true

00:46:26.780 yeah like they're having less sex than millennials did at their own yeah like there's all this talk

00:46:31.160 about like how the younger generation like millennials on the cusp and like zoomers specifically like

00:46:36.000 hookup culture and like fucking a bunch but um i don't believe that's the case and i think that's

00:46:40.940 like a reason why there's kind of like this loneliness epidemic amongst like boys particularly

00:46:44.980 but like zoomers in general waiting longer and longer to have sex so they party less they

00:46:50.500 socialize less of course yeah they're online they have less relationships they have less sex

00:46:54.900 yeah so like i don't find the hookup culture really i feel like that's getting phased out if anything

00:46:58.780 i mean the thing is you can get everything so easily now right like you can get every human

00:47:03.900 connection you want whether it's sexual or emotional or anything basically from your phone dating

00:47:08.300 yeah there's a simulation of it but not the real thing yeah so it's a huge problem because there

00:47:13.860 you used to like actually have to go to like have any of you ever gone to a bar by yourself and just

00:47:19.580 like sat at the bar yes and i was 21 and seen if a guy like hits on you or even just has a drink have

00:47:25.100 a drink by yourself like there's something about that like in the old days like if you were meeting a

00:47:29.520 friend at the bar at the movies before you had a phone right like you had to stand there and then you

00:47:34.860 would and then you would people watch you'd actually just like look at people yeah and like

00:47:38.700 we've just sort of devolved all of that so our brains are just never not hooked into the matrix

00:47:44.060 yeah and i think that that's added to a lot of the kind of loneliness and craziness that it seems like

00:47:48.700 a lot of people in their 20s are feeling right now and then i think it's linked to a lot of like

00:47:53.040 depression and anxiety too because you're so like isolated yeah why are men so afraid to approach

00:47:59.780 women these days me too is tv news and things it never seems that nothing bad is reported about a

00:48:07.600 woman doing something but it's always like i mean growing up my mom was police officer so she would

00:48:11.860 always you know kind of you know just from her own experience she'd say oh you better lock the door

00:48:17.000 because you know a man could come in and and you know stranger danger mindset yeah and here's you

00:48:22.120 know as a young girl i'm like oh my gosh man scary you know me like this little thing i need to

00:48:26.580 like so so it may be just that conditioning maybe over time and and yeah but i've heard some

00:48:32.520 interesting crazy stories about women too like doing things but i'm like man why wasn't this on

00:48:36.300 the news like it needs to be equal well i think like there's obviously the fear of rejection in

00:48:41.140 there too it's not just me too right like oh certainly yeah there are a lot of insecure men out

00:48:46.860 there that really don't want to face the possibility of rejection so they will never put themselves out

00:48:52.060 there at all but then again on the other side women need to learn how to reject men without

00:48:57.260 you know being rude to them and having some grace about it like that that's kind of a lost art

00:49:03.240 is rejecting someone in a generous way yeah i 100 agree um i mean i think and i think a lot of men have

00:49:14.160 the experience of maybe they're a little shy or nervous but they're not otherwise being creepy or a jerk

00:49:21.820 or an asshole and they'll approach a girl and it's like a fucking just a train wreck and not some

00:49:27.820 women will graciously reject a guy hey oh thank you very much i have a boyfriend whatever whatever

00:49:32.980 um but a lot of men will have the experience of going up to a girl and it's like

00:49:37.660 it can be pretty brutal um the ways in which men get rejected um certainly in like a party type

00:49:45.060 environment if there's alcohol involved even a guy who like in a very polite way goes up to

00:49:49.300 a girl like they when alcohol is involved people can be very obnoxious and brutal and and also with

00:49:56.720 social media you have like men are also scared of like being like they don't want to come off like

00:50:04.620 a creep not just in that moment but then like if the girl goes and tells all her friends oh this guy

00:50:10.520 came up to me and approached me and i don't know so she can record you yeah i think the other thing too

00:50:15.280 is because because of dating apps like before it was if you wanted to meet somebody you had to

00:50:22.420 approach them in person in some capacity otherwise you pretty much like there was no dating app so

00:50:29.480 grid one motors but now that donated with dating apps uh it kind of alleviates that i would ask what

00:50:34.560 the girls bring to a relationship besides sex but since the ick is a thing how about they discuss what

00:50:41.820 men should bring to the relationship and what should men be willing to endure for the pleasure of

00:50:46.020 their company uh okay so how about what men should bring to the relationship and what should men be

00:50:53.060 willing to endure for the pleasure of their company what what should men bring to the table is that the

00:50:59.980 question pretty much okay i guess we let we could go around that on that what do you think men

00:51:05.140 should bring to the table

00:51:07.240 uh hold on sorry erin enjoy a donated one hundred dollars erin just know there is someone out there

00:51:17.120 for everyone for you it's a therapist erin learned long ago that the amount of time people can tolerate

00:51:23.720 her is directly proportional to the amount of cleavage visible would you date and or fell at brian

00:51:29.540 do you feel comfortable with me answering that your viewers your uh erin enjoy over here sexually

00:51:36.700 harassing you paying to sexually harass you me yeah both of us i feel like he's objectifying you and

00:51:43.120 he's asking me if i would like have sex with you i don't know i don't think that's well he says date

00:51:48.160 and or fellate and or fellate true so it could be one or the other it could be both let's assume you

00:51:54.160 weren't currently having in your first relationship like would i would i'd go on a

00:52:01.500 out on a date with you you're a handsome guy oh thank you you know what i should could have happened

00:52:07.200 after last show we could have got some food i know i kicked you off you kicked me off i should have

00:52:12.440 been wait and then after i got kicked off even though you said you didn't care about the answer

00:52:16.500 you did ask pixie if i was a virgin you're like just fucking throw your friend under the bus you tell

00:52:20.920 her and then you asked destiny to speculate if i'd been gang raped do you remember that or no what

00:52:26.060 i don't even remember whoa that's fake news no you said do you think there was like a gang bang

00:52:31.520 and he was like a gang that's very consensual wait i don't think that's synonymous still an

00:52:37.160 inappropriate question that's that's like uh not the same thing yeah wait the definition of gang

00:52:44.160 rape first off can you not bang and gang rape are doing oh my god i can't believe sorry this is

00:52:50.960 like two tos or whatever well yeah we asked for you not to say that before the show sorry and that's

00:52:57.100 not what i said so why are you putting words in my mouth like trying to fucking false accuse me i told

00:53:02.820 you that you know that's a false accusation you i did not say that did i did the words gang rape

00:53:08.820 come out of my mouth no you said that's a you that's a false accusation you asked you asked do

00:53:14.600 you think there was like a gang bang and then you clarified consensual and so you said consensually

00:53:20.440 consensually so i thought yeah that's but that's what i said i did not say that specific term no you

00:53:25.240 didn't say the specific term but the spirit of what you were asking and when you added this chick's

00:53:29.140 such a fucking buzzkill uh the spirit should we do a round two like okay what what are you getting at

00:53:35.300 well the i if i misunderstood what you were asking if you were just asking like if i had sex with

00:53:39.940 multiple people or group sex or whatever fine i didn't know that like that's not my understanding

00:53:43.480 of what the term means but i didn't mean to falsely accuse you are we re-litigating every single thing

00:53:48.820 that happened on the previous podcast what are you talking about i don't want to relive that

00:53:53.400 then we don't have to but like so what's your question i was just the tts the tts is asking uh

00:54:03.400 if you would date me that's the extent of it the answer is yes and i said i i would i said you're

00:54:09.560 attractive but we didn't know each other maybe i'd go on a date with you but i don't think we have

00:54:12.760 much in common so no okay okay there you go what the fuck let's just talk about oh my god what

00:54:20.760 should men bring to the tables the thing we were on before that um oh sorry we got this one coming

00:54:27.620 cost times donated 107 dollars i'm a bit older than those under 40 nothing is better than having

00:54:35.140 a family as you move ahead in life girls and guys be family minded people don't care about the pics of

00:54:42.700 you on a beach at 22 when 70 except the wife slash hubby you took the more kids who view

00:54:48.660 word truth word uh we'll go around the table what what should a guy bring to the table uh safety

00:55:00.180 security um somebody to be like a leader a mentorship something like that next person i don't know if

00:55:13.460 there's a one-size-fits-all for all relationships i think that's gonna just gonna have to be determined

00:55:18.320 by each individual couple but i would say reliably you could say that your partner

00:55:21.920 uh should probably bring like integrity honesty open communication i think are good foundations that

00:55:28.180 partners can bring to a relationship

00:55:29.700 i think

00:55:33.500 curtis underscordion donated 100 dollars i don't know ryan is the modern day socrates i have learned so

00:55:43.680 many new phrases

00:55:44.640 whatever red pill and blue pill chat and i finally figured out what 304 means dating apps are the main

00:55:53.740 problem since it makes men not come out of their comfort zone yo curtis thank you very much man

00:55:59.080 appreciate it uh modern day socrates i mean that's quite an endorsement but uh thank you man appreciate

00:56:04.700 it i thought that 304 was about the actual area code it is the area because i was like i'm from

00:56:10.680 west virginia are you like trying to dunk on me yeah for being from west virginia i looked it up

00:56:15.760 too i was like i'm 619 like what is this yeah yeah never been there okay but you were you were

00:56:20.620 answering the question oh yeah um i think just very compassionate very caring uh for me that you

00:56:26.940 know obviously the situation's a little deviated uh so probably someone with an open mind in a sense

00:56:33.280 where like maybe there might be another lady in the relationship to kind of balance things out

00:56:37.920 oh my goodness okay thank you man

00:56:43.000 biggest tell in today's society is the lack of human interaction and all thanks to hashtag me too

00:56:48.460 and hashtag believable women bs it's why men are lonelier and going black pilled but thanks to dating apps

00:56:55.660 i don't use slash against for having me approach women in public much easier

00:57:00.600 yo cheeks yeah i mean i think i'm not sure it is me too like i just don't think that normie men

00:57:06.820 really even care or know about or research those types of things i think it is more related to the

00:57:13.560 dating apps and the overall lack of social connection and community that we have going on

00:57:18.900 yeah i i think well i think me too is a component probably the bigger thing is social media it's like

00:57:26.140 oh why are people not getting married it's because of no fault divorce like i just don't think normie

00:57:30.260 men even know about like you know family court statistics they aren't researching these things

00:57:37.720 they don't really know or care about those things i think a lot of guys have worried about like being

00:57:42.840 falsely accused online concerns i feel i feel like i heard this i heard this in high school from like

00:57:49.660 normie dudes that i went to school with where they worried that like just about being falsely accused of

00:57:54.380 have like you know there is that concern definitely but i just feel like normie men don't really and

00:58:01.440 like engage with i think the concern's there but i don't i don't know if it's enough to have a

00:58:06.000 chilling effect so deeply that they wouldn't be like engaging with women period like the real answer

00:58:11.000 is much more boring and depressing it's just that people aren't having social connections anymore

00:58:16.180 the retreat i went on uh obviously like a sex therapy camp but i i would

00:58:24.100 because i can only speak from my experience but i would strongly recommend it to men who've

00:58:27.520 experienced false accusing um there was men women there and it was a very like healthy releasing

00:58:33.960 space and i've never witnessed that in my life i always saw a man as this stoic figure and and you

00:58:41.100 know just tv and just grown up and i i finally got to see real men just kind of tell their stories and be

00:58:48.720 vulnerable and it i've heard so many stories and i'm like wow this is what they keep inside like wow

00:58:54.700 like i'm so sorry wow this is what they're keeping inside um it was profound i i just was silent for

00:59:01.140 literally two days watching and witnessing and so i wanted to revisit your answer to the question of

00:59:06.500 what men should bring to the table in a relationship you started going into something about how there should

00:59:12.200 be another woman in a relationship a virgin donated one hundred dollars bricks and bring out the fruit

00:59:20.180 salad btw erin are you a virgin that's the world on the street anyway the word on the street did you

00:59:29.360 answer the question i don't think we got to no i think we moved on or whatever no i'm not a virgin

00:59:34.060 oh wait why were you resistant to saying that before i should just been open that i didn't want to

00:59:40.180 answer the question at that time but like yeah i'm not a virgin women have sex with men they're not

00:59:44.920 in love with all the time okay so you were saying there should be another woman in a relationship

00:59:51.260 yeah in my relationship um okay i kind of has other men is my guess no i i want the man to have another

01:00:01.380 woman because like since so i have ms and so sometimes i think it gets like too crazy for people

01:00:07.560 to handle like emotionally like oh my god like i don't want my like i'm a pleaser i'm a bit of a

01:00:11.400 pleaser in relationships like i want the man to be happy i want everybody to be happy even like you

01:00:16.080 know women when i have friends i want them to be happy and i this is just a insecurity that i have

01:00:21.400 recently but so you want another woman to be involved in your relationship out of insecurity

01:00:27.020 i i guess i guess that's where i'm at right now like in dealing with my own healthy i think what

01:00:33.720 she's trying to say in my opinion is that you would rather have your man be with another woman

01:00:39.340 and also you yes so out of the blue you're not shook but he's like cheating on you or or you know

01:00:44.740 doing some shisey shit behind your back i just fall back yeah yeah yeah yeah well so if i get sick or

01:00:49.840 something and and and i just feel like oh my gosh like he's unhappy now i'm even more unhappy

01:00:55.400 i mean wouldn't you hope that someone sticks by you i would hope that moment and like loves you

01:01:00.780 unconditionally like that is the ideal don't we agree yeah i'd hope and and i just i think it's

01:01:06.680 just the insecurity of oh my gosh what if it's too much for him what if he just wants to break up

01:01:10.340 because he's like i can't deal with the dating a person with a disability and and it's happened

01:01:14.280 before where um that's been like oh you know i don't see girls with disabilities and and it's just

01:01:19.980 i'm like okay like you kind of get like yeah beaten cheeks donated 99 mary as you are below

01:01:28.900 a normie you don't know how low middle class men think like i do i speak to them daily in non-big

01:01:35.420 cities many of them are very well aware of the matriarchal hold women have in regards to the

01:01:40.740 sexual dynamics women have over normies yeah that makes sense because if all these men are on the

01:01:48.200 internet are speaking out about how they're worried that they're gonna get falsely accused

01:01:52.060 oh grid one motorsports donated 100 mary a cool dark health but enough of us normie men have

01:02:01.300 watched enough men have feel lives burned down by divorce and accused of all sorts of horrible

01:02:06.560 things that we 100 pay attention nothing is new under the sun i guess what i was referring to is men

01:02:13.660 that don't like watch podcasts like this one like men who aren't super engaged with the discourse about

01:02:19.640 dating and stuff like that online like that's what i meant by the term normie and also to clarify i

01:02:25.560 don't live in a big city i live in a very rural area in west virginia well dave as a resident boomer

01:02:31.540 here okay could you say that you're 47 right are you actually a boomer or are you no no i'm just

01:02:36.960 okay i was accepting it though yeah okay would you say like were you ever worried about being falsely

01:02:42.460 accused during your time in college no it wasn't really a thing do you think it is now or like do you

01:02:47.880 yeah i guess well me too me too kind of went sideways but i it wasn't you know i think it's

01:02:56.400 interesting because i'm usually not around a bunch of like early 20s girls like this and it's

01:03:01.020 interesting it seems like everyone's very in their head about what's going on in the world or in life

01:03:06.020 or something i don't actually don't mean that very judgy really you all seem very sweet and lovely but

01:03:11.180 like something about the internet has really like just broken people it's very obvious to me i don't mean

01:03:16.120 that i don't mean you guys are broken i mean that i do politics for a living trust me everyone in

01:03:19.780 politics is broken but something about the internet that we thought was going to make us

01:03:24.140 more social right it's called social media it made us way more anti-social and anxiety rate i mean

01:03:30.000 we're all nodding at the same time like everyone's feeling that thing it's really weird i mean i i was

01:03:34.900 born in 1976 that's not like i'm not that old and i remember it's funny my guys phoenix who's one of

01:03:42.100 is my producers here he's around you know early 20s like you guys and like i always joke it's like

01:03:48.140 you have no idea what the world was like pre-internet and actually it was pretty good it really

01:03:53.740 was pretty good like you could just like i'm so jealous you could just be right like no it was it

01:03:59.080 was really awesome and and so many things also i think it has to do with timing also that you can

01:04:03.560 get anything you want whenever you want it like whether it's sex or gratification all of that but it's

01:04:08.920 not even just that it's like you can binge watch a show where back in the day like you had to watch

01:04:12.740 a show if you wanted to watch seinfeld at nine o'clock on thursdays like you couldn't watch 10

01:04:18.040 episodes in a row you guys have heard of seinfeld right yeah you got the reference okay but like

01:04:22.560 so something about the speed of all of this and also like this one will blow your mind at the

01:04:27.800 beginning of the internet when the internet first came out like you could scroll down to a page like

01:04:32.880 if you just went to like cnn.com or just any you were buying something like you were buying a shirt on

01:04:37.720 h&m or something like you'd scroll down a page would end that was how the internet worked like

01:04:41.980 you could get to the end of a page where now we have infinite scroll and this guy there's a guy

01:04:47.220 that developed infinite scroll i don't i don't remember his name but he basically regrets it

01:04:51.240 because he realized that he unleashed something that allows us to just doom scroll all day long

01:04:56.460 and like i get plenty of hate online if i wanted to i could spend all day long just having people just

01:05:01.060 tell me horrible things but like at some point you just disconnect i do i do a month off my phone

01:05:06.580 and computer and electronics and news and everything every august i've done it for six

01:05:11.040 years i would definitely recommend you guys try it like literally nothing have no idea what's going

01:05:17.000 on in the world for a month and do you think your um your sexuality maybe influenced your experience

01:05:23.000 with like not having to worry about i guess like false accusations or feeling that sort of anxiety or

01:05:27.900 no uh maybe i guess i mean like is me too even a thing in the probably not i mean i guess maybe to

01:05:35.060 some extent there's always power dynamics in a relationship right or in just meeting somebody

01:05:39.080 you're hooking up or something but like there's something different if it's two guys or two girls

01:05:43.900 there is something fundamentally different i suppose related to who would be harassing who

01:05:50.780 there is just the physical difference yeah there's a great movie did you ever see the movie disclosure

01:05:55.260 it's with michael douglas and demi moore it's like from probably like 95 or something and it and in

01:06:01.920 the movie she's his boss and she sexually sexually harasses him donated one hundred dollars brian

01:06:09.660 you're on modern day philosophical chat that all young men need to take notice to highest compliment

01:06:15.960 to the panel what do you want from a marriage material man s workers why do you want men to

01:06:22.780 respect you when you don't respect yourselves are we gonna finish going around with the what men

01:06:29.360 should bring to the table are we gonna put that to rest yeah it's kind of similar like what do you

01:06:38.120 want from a marriage material man also he's asked uh s workers why do you want men to respect you when

01:06:43.320 you don't respect yourselves do they want men to respect them though you feel like you kind of

01:06:48.420 forfeit that you forfeit the possibility of men respecting you when you become an sw right wait oh

01:06:55.940 well i think that i think that like and what i'm thinking that you're meaning is obviously not like

01:07:02.540 anything physical or being like oh my gosh like screaming in your face or nothing like violent or

01:07:06.820 anything but but um probably like oh like were you thinking of respect in a sense where oh if if

01:07:14.420 you're seeing multiple men he he can see multiple women too not like physical like oh you deserve to

01:07:20.200 get sucked so like something like that but and that's what i'm assuming that's not what that was

01:07:25.140 well i'm also talking about just your male clients uh i don't believe that they respect the women that

01:07:33.620 they're paying to penetrate some don't and that's where um oh yeah you can finish oh yeah yeah some

01:07:40.240 some don't and that's where lately um now that i'm 31 i i'm kind of like finding my voice i feel

01:07:46.680 like in my 20s i was just very quiet and just kind of went along had good girl conditioning and went

01:07:51.620 along with the the program a lot and um i noticed it i it got me which i was going to comment on something

01:07:58.160 you said that was really neat like you were talking about how women um were doing white like

01:08:03.240 kind of subverting uh very early um how do i how do i say doing wife things for their boyfriends thank

01:08:09.320 you i would subvert to the wrong man in a sense where like i would submit so so so i'm learning

01:08:15.980 submissions earned and submission is when you trust someone and they're safe they're safe man yeah and

01:08:21.040 and you know uh but subversion is like they're not safe they're just there and it's because they're a

01:08:27.600 man you're and that's i would notice i would do that and i would notice that's when dangerous

01:08:31.440 situations would happen with clients and now i'm realizing like hey if someone is hurting me or

01:08:36.700 saying some things i'm gonna end it i'm no like this is not okay and um and i have my boundaries

01:08:43.620 and uh if if someone respects it then i'm like okay then i'm i'm going with you and i'll submit to

01:08:49.820 this experience but i won't subvert to an experience that's uh aggressive of any type well i'm glad that

01:08:55.620 that's a possibility for you yeah i would assume that for the vast majority of sex workers in the

01:09:02.040 world they do not have the ability to protect themselves or advocate for themselves in those

01:09:07.740 situations at all like third world countries and that's yeah i mean not even just third world

01:09:12.520 countries it's everywhere they they i mean part of that line of work if you want to call it work

01:09:19.880 is being disrespected and dehumanized and objectified like that is i was dehumanized for

01:09:26.440 the first time um i i let you say your piece but i i actually finally realized at age 30 what

01:09:34.320 dehumanizing meant and i didn't know what it meant for so long and i have a story but oh yeah he

01:09:39.940 shared your piece i forgot what i was gonna say oh no your story um well oh well i thought you said

01:09:45.280 you need to think what the story is but i think i i think that uh maybe what the coy jones is trying

01:09:51.980 to get out here is when it comes to a relationship yeah most men would not want to be in a relationship

01:09:59.240 with a sex worker whether in the past like past or present but you can't speak that for all and for

01:10:04.820 everybody well sure there's of course i'm not speaking for all but would you disagree generally

01:10:09.500 speaking men don't want to date prostitutes and porn stars and no there's plenty of men out there

01:10:14.420 that's not what i said that's not what i said generally speaking i would say most men do not

01:10:19.220 want to have long-term relationships with women who are involved with sex work i disagree you do you

01:10:24.700 think the majority of men so more than 50 of men want to date and have long-term relationships with

01:10:30.240 women who are involved in sex work it's 50 50 dude you think so exactly 50 of men would date i feel

01:10:37.500 like 50 i don't know i'm not talking numbers and stuff i don't know that i'm just saying that

01:10:43.920 we're all different and who knows like i'm not okay you have to understand i'm not saying that

01:10:50.280 it's impossible for a woman to if you have a past of sex work current sex work prostitution whatever

01:10:56.880 it is it's not going to be impossible for you to find a long-term relationship or a husband

01:11:01.280 however i don't think my statement is wrong which is what i'm which is the majority of men do not want

01:11:09.080 to date or wife up a prostitute okay or a girl who's done porn i disagree with that but well i

01:11:17.420 mean you kind of are not seeing the bigger picture right because the only men who would date you are

01:11:24.020 the ones who do feel okay with the fact so i want to bring it back real quick to the whole um

01:11:29.520 how we're not respected and all this you know what i mean how disgusting is it for people to

01:11:36.780 come to sex workers and or think about sex workers and think that we deserve not to be respected just

01:11:42.280 because of our industry uh very um it shows that you're very narrow-minded it shows that you lack

01:11:51.400 empathy it shows a lot actually um we are human we are people we give we're very open-minded we're

01:12:00.460 compassionate people can come to us at the bunny ranch and we can sit down and have one-on-one

01:12:04.840 conversations with people they feel safe with us and people like you guys and i'm not saying like

01:12:11.800 you guys but people that do believe in what i don't um it's scary it really is scary that we have

01:12:20.600 a group of people that are like so narrow-minded like that i don't believe that you deserve to be

01:12:26.680 disrespected one sec one sec let's define the terms here a little bit so when you say narrow-minded

01:12:31.000 also let's define respect right so i pulled it up dictionary oxford dictionary respect number one a

01:12:39.100 feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities qualities or achievements

01:12:44.080 and then the other one is due regard for the feelings wishes rights or traditions of others so when

01:12:49.480 we use this term respect i think it can sometimes be interpreted differently than other people i don't

01:12:54.540 think what the super chatter is necessarily saying is that we would like true like we view you

01:13:03.560 we would treat you in a rude or mean or contemptuous sort of way because of the work you do i don't think

01:13:11.920 that's really it it's just like an old penny can i add something sure um so you're saying that

01:13:21.200 they deserve respect regardless of their industry and you're being narrow-minded by not respecting

01:13:27.820 someone because of their industry but i guarantee there's some sort of industry some sort of job

01:13:32.120 some guy would have and he said respect is deep admiration that you're not going to deeply admire

01:13:38.080 him for the work he does and respect is not deserved ever you earn respect and some men don't respect

01:13:45.320 sex work and it just because it doesn't benefit you doesn't mean it's bad i also think you guys

01:13:52.140 probably have a lot more power than you think well you probably both know that you have a lot more

01:13:55.960 power where maybe they don't see the power that you have the guys are paying you you're really in

01:14:00.640 charge of this thing i remember i had a buddy who used to love going to strip clubs and we'd go to

01:14:04.400 i would go with them and it was like whatever and it was funny because if i would tell the stripper

01:14:08.520 that i was gay they'd want to grind on you like double time to see what would happen

01:14:12.380 so and like physical contact is nice so that was fine but like but i would always think like you know

01:14:17.980 the the sort of normal way to think about it was somehow the girl was disrespecting herself and she's

01:14:23.060 out of control and blah blah blah but it's like the girl was usually they were earning money to go to

01:14:26.740 college or something blah blah blah both of you seem like you have a good head on your shoulders and at some

01:14:31.580 if i had to guess like at some point you probably will be out of this line of work and you'll probably

01:14:36.020 find a guy and you'll probably have kids yeah yeah you will like that's kind of how life works like

01:14:42.020 life you don't just stay in the same mental or physical state and i think or spiritual state forever

01:14:46.380 and you'll probably and you'll look back and you might go ah maybe maybe some of that wasn't great

01:14:50.320 maybe some of it was but if you're saving some money now and like doing something that gives some

01:14:55.040 people pleasure like i get why it's why people can be all judgy about it right i think you guys are

01:14:59.820 going to be fine at the end of the day my parents are happy with what i'm doing my parents support me

01:15:03.840 with what i'm doing my grandparents my uncle is probably watching this right now so wait just to

01:15:08.800 be clear your parents know everything about what you're doing prostitution i'm a legal escort in nevada

01:15:15.960 sure okay that's what that means that's yeah yeah you are a prostitute i am whether legal doing

01:15:24.340 things i'm not hurting anybody i'm not hurting myself your parents my parents support you doing

01:15:30.400 prostitution my parents are happy with the way i'm living my life they are i bought an rv i'm on the

01:15:38.360 way to buy a house i have done so much for myself being in this industry i do have the right head on my

01:15:44.300 shoulders and my dad knows that um by the way people prostitute themselves for a lot of other stuff

01:15:51.220 besides sex you know she's not yeah yeah no i didn't mean that i would i didn't mean that's

01:15:57.540 what i do i mean like trust me i come out of the world of politics like people sell out and do

01:16:01.100 anything for money and say what they believe and then they act contrary so like you know prostitution

01:16:06.340 but i don't know why it was so hard for you to wrap your brain around that though because it's like

01:16:10.180 it's you you it's like because parents don't tend to be okay with stuff like that but my mom is

01:16:15.100 love me for me and that's what my parents like me for they love me for me that doesn't commonly

01:16:21.260 happen happens you get surprised it's not common for parents to be okay with their kids

01:16:25.500 yeah yeah so it's surprising my parents just are happy that i'm not hurting nobody i'm not hurting

01:16:32.160 myself and i am making money and i am going that's good doing no that's good that's good i'm always

01:16:37.880 leveling up in life and why wouldn't my parents be proud of me succeeding in life well they're perhaps

01:16:43.320 proud of you for the success but it is it is surprising somewhere where it's done legally

01:16:48.060 and safely sure but i mean it's surprising that you're let me ask you a question do you think

01:16:54.580 your parents would prefer you to be an attorney a doctor versus a prostitute all of a sudden that

01:17:02.580 would mean you do something else with your life and you have an equal amount of independence my parents

01:17:07.680 are so proud of me for being independent and free i'm absolutely but if you could do that in

01:17:12.600 another way would they want that they would want me to do what's best for me my parents want me to

01:17:18.640 do whatever i'm happy with and whatever i'm content with and that's what love is you you could be happy

01:17:25.140 and content and independent without doing sex work but it makes me happy to connect with individuals

01:17:31.180 on a different level like that their parents don't think like you're one sec one sec one sec

01:17:37.220 brian your platform has the discussions most people won't slash will not talk about thank you

01:17:42.420 man appreciate it let me clarify most men would not respect the self-worth of a sw nor would not want

01:17:49.300 to be with my girl works an honest job which is why she is my pride and joy this i i don't know if

01:17:57.940 that changes so much here would not respect the self-worth of a sex worker okay i was gonna say

01:18:06.500 my my mom so my mom wasn't too happy about sex work because you know she's pretty conservative

01:18:12.040 that's common yeah it's yeah it's more common especially for older people if you're old enough

01:18:16.720 to be a parent she's a baby boomer yeah then you tend to not want your child to be selling their body

01:18:23.280 she loved that i did the tantra retreat she likes that i'm getting into the holistic side of the

01:18:28.280 sexuality and she's hoping that maybe one day i have my own you know my own holistic tantra practice

01:18:35.600 she she likes that so she's she was kind of rooting for that i think parents are going to adopt a more

01:18:41.880 libertarian mindset towards their children engaging in sex work if they see that their child is like

01:18:46.160 safe and financially secure yeah it is a safe one if that is that if that occurs as a product of

01:18:50.940 their job then i think they're going to be more likely to be like you know what maybe maybe i was

01:18:55.360 being more judgmental here's the thing though you were deeply offended that he was surprised that

01:18:59.980 your parents support it and i'm saying the only reason he's surprised is because parents

01:19:04.180 because they're old and not usually libertarian don't seem to know don't often support it so

01:19:09.960 there's nothing just let her talk you need to be offended about i'm not offended i'm just saying

01:19:15.360 like i said i said it was just super weird that he couldn't comprehend that's just and i debunked

01:19:23.560 that i explained why i come from a very religious background so i'm actually buddhist and i have a

01:19:31.040 sister that is actually a sex worker and my dad was in the vietnam war so he's super og like old school

01:19:37.020 you know um wife should cook clean you know stay home take care of the kids while he provides and

01:19:41.740 does everything that's what i grew up with but as my sister is a sex worker he doesn't mind he

01:19:47.560 doesn't care he says like hey you are your own individual person you can do what you want to do

01:19:52.540 yeah but that's just disavow the masculine we need the masculine instinct to come in and shame this

01:19:59.580 degenerate behavior like i'm living my life for myself and nobody else so like my dad's is like

01:20:06.200 like i said religious but the reason that he's saying like that's my life hold on but so you're

01:20:10.920 saying your your father your cousin she's a sex worker no my sister is a sex worker your sister's

01:20:16.380 a sex worker and your father is cool with it my father does yeah he's cool that's you know why he's

01:20:21.100 he's uncomfortable like disavowing or shaming it or feeling like it's brought dishonor is because the

01:20:28.620 current social climate that we're in is very liberal it's very progressive and if you take a stance on

01:20:34.100 any of this shit you're gonna get the brunt of the current social climate and be 304 thank you

01:20:41.560 those choices are fears to make but let's not deny that men do not value anything they pay for as much

01:20:47.260 as things they earn men win a woman's love men earn a woman's trust these are valued above all else

01:20:54.180 i like i like so dave i wanted to add i like the latter part of that hold on so that's just that

01:21:01.280 blows my mind though like he your your father's cool with your sister doing when you say sex work

01:21:06.240 we're talking stripper what uh she does like only fans and stuff like that so her content that's

01:21:10.260 different than that's a little different she also does like meet up with people and like for work and

01:21:15.300 like she gets paid for yeah she escorts too yeah exactly yeah that's what she does so my dad

01:21:21.440 doesn't mind he doesn't care like he says that you can either go out and be an independent woman

01:21:26.920 or you could be a stay-at-home wife and this is exactly why society is is failing is we don't have

01:21:32.800 strong men saying no this is not okay for you to do so you're saying that my dad is not a strong

01:21:39.080 man i want i want us to hear no not necessarily perspective as the only parent on this panel people

01:21:45.740 are not listening would you be okay with your children even though they're very young now yeah

01:21:52.240 would you be okay with either of your children becoming sex workers no well of course my preference

01:21:57.940 would be no and i'm not i'm again i don't mean to it's weird to have two people here that obviously

01:22:03.340 seem like great girls so i'm not making this about you guys at all so my the preference i think for

01:22:08.940 every parent would be no but i think what your dad is probably saying about your sister

01:22:13.080 is she's out there making a living for herself she's i assume she doesn't live with them like

01:22:17.800 she's got her own place she has her own thing like i get that it's not it's not ideal in that

01:22:23.320 in in a certain sense of living but you know life is about figuring out there's a lot of people that

01:22:29.100 are going to live on the margins and you got to kind of figure out ways that that can work as a

01:22:33.220 society okay but tell us why your preference is no no because as i said because it wouldn't because i

01:22:38.800 don't as i said to them like at some point hope i bet if i was to ask either one of you at

01:22:42.940 some point you probably want to meet a guy that you'd really fall in love with and like

01:22:46.020 be with him and have kids and have a family and everything else they may not be quite there yet

01:22:51.360 so it's just sort of uh it's a step of getting to somewhere that you want to be i'm not i'm not

01:22:56.660 sitting here selling sex work at all but i'm also i think it's a little hypocritical in in a sense that

01:23:01.880 that virtually everyone watches porn everyone does whatever they do yeah i did well i'm not talking

01:23:08.600 about anyone at this table i'm talking about like isn't it something like 70 percent of the internet

01:23:12.480 traffic is porn something like that like everyone is using all of this stuff or being part of it to

01:23:17.460 some extent and then like looking at the people that are openly part of it and trying to explain

01:23:21.700 what their life is but and giving them shit for it it just seems incredibly ironic like i want to dig

01:23:26.720 into why you're saying your preference for your children is for them to not well i'm i'm saying the

01:23:32.160 same thing for them i think ultimately if if she met the greatest guy tomorrow and was like i want

01:23:38.060 to take care of you i want you to be the mother of my children blah blah i suspect you would think

01:23:42.060 that would be a better choice 100 but yeah dave dave yeah when it comes to uh just be just because you

01:23:48.720 consume something doesn't mean that you have to actively participate it in other words well just

01:23:55.100 because if you watch participation right but like for example i like to watch the nfl

01:24:00.700 i don't want to go play in the nfl and go get cte and go get a bunch of concussions i'm not obliged

01:24:08.440 i like to watch the nfl if i think there are certain health risks for my son to participate

01:24:14.600 in playing in the nfl while i might enjoy watching the sport i might admire their athleticism

01:24:20.800 i might say to my son uh you know it might not be listen you're probably not going to play

01:24:26.800 professionally maybe you don't play in high school and get a bunch of concussions

01:24:30.340 that's going to fuck you up um similarly with porn just just because you watch porn doesn't mean

01:24:36.860 that you are that you are then obliged to either date a woman who does porn or you're not you're not

01:24:43.960 obliged to encourage your son or daughter to watch or to to become a porn actress just because you

01:24:51.880 watch it i don't think it makes you hypocritical i mean he's saying is that what you think i said

01:24:56.220 i think he's saying like your actions speak louder than your words and if you are ardently speaking

01:25:01.220 out against porn but then consuming it that's like a massive contradiction for one and then two

01:25:05.260 in the example of like football or sex work if you say that you're anti-sex work but then you are

01:25:09.980 supporting only fans models or you are consuming pornography paying and like putting money towards it

01:25:15.460 you are helping like grow that industry and create and like you know voting with your dollar

01:25:19.360 effectively by the way you can also have an ideal in life that you're that you're aiming towards that

01:25:24.560 you're not always getting to but that you're working towards so there might be some things you're doing

01:25:29.060 along the way that that if you're trying to get in a specific direction and you see what the end goal

01:25:34.040 of what you want in life is whatever that might be whether it's that you want to be married and have kids

01:25:38.120 or you want to build a great business or whatever if you're going in that direction and doing it

01:25:42.680 honestly and forthrightly like i my general feeling is that things will work out but do we agree

01:25:48.820 at least that doing sex work is not an ideal path toward finding eventually yeah well i didn't i

01:25:58.420 didn't say i didn't again i said several times i suspect and she's agreeing with me buddhism directly

01:26:04.840 disagrees with self-fulfillment through selfish desires it is believed to be a hindrance to true

01:26:11.080 enlightenment and the proper pleasures meant to be experienced in life so you're either full of

01:26:16.440 it or not familiar with the practice buddhism okay i'm not i well i think kind of the so the initial

01:26:23.180 conversation was your sister she's an escort she does the only fans these two women are escorts they

01:26:31.660 do they prostitute so sorry okay grid one motorsports donated one hundred dollars if my son brought

01:26:39.940 home a prostitute as a girlfriend he and i would have a long talk about where i effed up teaching

01:26:45.020 him values and morality after the sofa and chairs with plastic okay thank you i love that one

01:26:53.820 no so they're involved in prostitution um your father is happy with it you said that your parents

01:27:03.460 are supportive and my parents know that i do only fans and all of that yeah right and i think kind of

01:27:09.120 where that that whole that whole thing stemmed from was i was saying that and i'm not sure i think maybe

01:27:16.860 dave you introduced the porn component into it so that's kind of where my train of thought was with

01:27:22.860 my argument but uh you said most women or most men wouldn't want to date a sex worker right yeah yeah

01:27:29.700 yeah and and i do think like i don't know i don't think it's a parent should be like encouraging or

01:27:39.540 co-signing sex work i mean we're not saying that oh my god our parents are like rooting for us to like

01:27:44.380 loose pussy energy donated 99 with all due disrespect most guys don't want gross 304s that have been ran

01:27:53.620 through and got more bodies than john wick l for the parents gay simp and four eyes cap a screechy

01:28:00.400 voice troll brian it's time to frank castle no it's fine is sparta hashtag feud them hashtag 8 at 18

01:28:10.200 uh i think i agree with you brian that like most men if you ask them would say that they don't want

01:28:17.460 to date a sex worker they don't want to date anyone who's involved in pornography or the porn industry but i

01:28:22.020 think actions speak louder than words and if you if you pulled 100 random dudes from the street and

01:28:26.840 asked like if they had the opportunity to go out with like mia khalifa or like sasha gray do you think

01:28:31.280 that they would they would say they don't want to if they do it's because they're horny for her not

01:28:36.160 because they want to cherish her they'd still do it this is my point like they can say that like i

01:28:40.820 wouldn't like go out on a date with mia khalifa or sasha gray because they see them as sexual objects

01:28:46.940 they want to hook up with he said he they wouldn't want to wife mia khalifa they might even if

01:28:51.780 they say yes they might think they want a wife mia khalifa because she's hot but that's she that's

01:28:57.760 not their brand if you if you pulled 100 american guys they wouldn't want to she's a kind of nasty

01:29:05.200 bitch and i'm not talking about mia khalifa's marriage broke down as a result of her porn career

01:29:10.620 she said that her husband actually admitted to her that he was no longer comfortable with the fact that

01:29:16.360 there were existing videos of her having sex with other men on the internet she said that that did

01:29:22.040 contribute to the end of her marriage but i'm just asking if you pull if you pulled like 100 american

01:29:27.560 guys yeah and ask them would you like would you like to go out on a date with mia khalifa right now

01:29:32.380 you have the opportunity to do you think that the majority would say no depends what street you're on

01:29:37.920 average american guy got all the americans go with mia khalifa would they go out on a date with

01:29:43.360 can't you think of someone yeah not one because men have different out of 100 guys how many do you

01:29:52.260 think would say no to me a date with mia khalifa well okay so they think it involves sex it doesn't

01:29:58.360 matter just a date if that's it's a broad question like a date they want to court yeah because khalifa

01:30:03.820 for marriage no it's the question the only question that they're being asked that these hundred men are

01:30:09.780 being asked is would you go on a date with mia khalifa right we have a simp epidemic so it could

01:30:14.000 very well be the case that a high proportion of them say yes but and my personal standard is is i

01:30:21.100 mean if you've done porn because there's some guys standard is well i would date them casually

01:30:26.540 like i'd hook up with them but i'd never take them seriously for a long-term relationship

01:30:30.120 or marriage i if a girl's involved in that kind of work i don't want i wouldn't even want casual sex

01:30:37.720 with her i don't want to kiss her i don't want to have go on a date i don't want nothing sure

01:30:41.740 you think i think a lot i think a lot of men probably i don't know majority minority i think

01:30:47.720 a lot of guys also just wouldn't want to even pursue it anyways but i do think there there's a

01:30:53.280 lot of simps there's a lot of simps and there's a lot of men who get very little attention from men

01:30:59.140 or holy fuck excuse me sorry i misspoke there's a lot of people that don't that get very little

01:31:04.800 attention from women donated one hundred dollars the first day i moved to la i met a girl i really

01:31:10.820 liked found out she had an of and i didn't care the more we hung out the more feelings developed

01:31:16.680 and the more the of became a problem so we broke up once the surface novelty wore off i had to end

01:31:23.180 it so this is what happened with mia khalifa's marriage so i could pull my audience but i i suspect

01:31:30.620 you'd say well it's not representative well i was just asking you average american now you're

01:31:35.160 because do you think your audience is like comprises of like the average american guy well i i would

01:31:39.680 say like they a large portion of my audience maybe wouldn't agree more so with my position on this so

01:31:45.660 i don't know if it would be representative of the average average american guy so you talked about

01:31:50.880 you said for your personal preference no but you really think that the average guy in america is

01:31:54.700 saying no to a date with mia khalifa okay can i add something it's hard to say i don't think so i think

01:31:59.420 they if they had the chance they might say i would never date a sex worker but if they had the

01:32:03.360 opportunity to date someone that's because we're in a simp epidemic like we're in a simp epidemic

01:32:08.240 you were saying earlier that like you know men need to step up and tell women that they're not

01:32:13.240 going to accept like you know girlfriends as pro like uh girlfriends and stuff like that but i'm

01:32:18.340 saying if i agree with you the majority of guys already don't want that but yet sex worker

01:32:22.760 sex work industry is only getting larger and larger so i don't think male condemnation is putting

01:32:26.900 women off of wanting to enter sex work at all and then especially when it's seeing it's so lucrative

01:32:31.980 for some of them you know very few but for the few that it is lucrative for it's just encouraging that

01:32:36.380 all right let me add encouraging what from men to what if men financially support only fans or sex

01:32:42.120 workers in some way then that's an endorsement of that behavior in a small way because you're voting

01:32:46.440 with your dollar and you're expanding the industry there's a financial incentive there for women to

01:32:50.620 enter into it right are you as long as i don't deny that simps exist i know that there are men who

01:32:56.460 co-sign i'm talking about the average guy i think the average guy consumes pornography and the average

01:33:00.940 guy is also consuming like only fans stuff like that like i don't think that in no way means that

01:33:05.620 they would want to marry the women i never said that they'd want to marry them but brian made the

01:33:10.200 claim that they wouldn't even consider them that's not true he said he wouldn't consider them for

01:33:14.720 marriage so his initial point was that um he doesn't think guys want to have a long-term

01:33:21.140 relationship or to wife a girl who's done sex work and then you were like so if you pulled all these

01:33:27.880 men and asked them if they would go on a date a date isn't marriage i never said a date was marriage

01:33:32.960 i don't think these girls chose to come into the prostitution business it came into them p.s no

01:33:40.960 mia is a terrorist sympathizer let's not get into that that's true uh but his initial point was

01:33:49.120 marriage and long-term relationship and you brought up a completely separate point of one date and he

01:33:54.480 said yes that they probably would because simps exist so i what are we arguing it's just about a

01:33:59.980 relationship zero and maxi donated one hundred dollars i assume a lot of women would take the

01:34:06.200 me a date if they think she's hot and might get laid out of it but the majority of them wouldn't

01:34:11.740 want something long-term with her since all their boys have seen her naked guys don't want to wife

01:34:17.460 that it's common sense hence if it's common sense but right you're really hesitant to say that most

01:34:22.660 guys wouldn't take a date with her it seemed like you thought like maybe they'd take a date but we

01:34:26.780 have simps or like they wouldn't be really doing it to like get to know her and be doing it to hook up

01:34:30.780 stochastic decay donated ninety nine dollars yo welcome stochastic hey brain sorry i'm late

01:34:36.760 long day as you know i got another one after this coming it's totally legal at first my parents

01:34:43.560 didn't like it i've retired them and now they're proud of me everything is legal people who are

01:34:50.420 negatively impacted aren't my problem legal wait i'm so confused this is probably he's a slumlord

01:34:57.740 maybe he's joking

01:34:58.860 doctrinably donated one hundred dollars yo thank you thank you guys thank you guys so much so absurd

01:35:06.000 no mentally healthy man would date or marry a sex worker has nothing to do with narrow-mindedness

01:35:12.520 to the girl in the back yes your father is a weak man i am disgusted by me okay not even with 10

01:35:20.320 foot pole that is doctor yeah my father's not a weak man he was in the vietnam war so he actually

01:35:25.440 served this country so he is not a weak man i really disagree with that um she says weak virtue

01:35:30.180 my only point is that guys may say that they wouldn't do it but when they they're the opportunity

01:35:34.860 is presented i think a lot more men suddenly would start doing an action speak louder than words

01:35:39.020 i've done a social experiment on tinder you've done a social experiment on tinder yep yeah but i've been

01:35:44.820 doing it isn't it the case if i recall the previous show you were on you said that if you're just

01:35:49.800 casually dating a guy you do not disclose that you're they don't even make it past the texting

01:35:54.520 point like i'll i'll be like yeah but you said you will meet up with guys hook up with them be on

01:36:00.140 dates outside of my job i do not you don't tell them go and hook up with guys yeah i think you

01:36:04.900 should i think we talked about that last time no i'm good no i don't think i'm saying you should

01:36:08.620 i'm good i don't want to go hook up with people no no sorry i didn't mean that i mean you should

01:36:11.660 you should disclose even if it's a casual sexual encounter i do think you should i honestly think i'm

01:36:17.260 gray sexual and what does that even mean so it's like uh when i just gray sexual yeah like what

01:36:26.420 does that mean it's do you know what it is did you pull that um i like like kind of men and women

01:36:32.480 and men and women both bisexual not bisexual you're just not really affected by sex one way or the

01:36:40.560 other okay right and that makes sense and so i'm not like exactly like it could be a man or woman

01:36:45.480 so outside of my work in my profession i'm trying to the offender donated 99 dollars that shirt

01:36:51.920 should say skip me your t-shirt because your t-shirt says pay me your only fans okay subscribe

01:36:59.740 to my only fans i'm currently having a sale so you're saying gray sexual is you are not affected

01:37:06.680 by sex what does that just like outside of work i don't just go and date guys and hook up with guys

01:37:14.780 outside of work i'm why what is gray sexual define gray sexual please i don't i don't i'm not i don't

01:37:23.960 what is that like you love who you love yeah it's like what does that mean it means i don't need to

01:37:29.080 have sex all the time so it's like i don't know i'm not attracted what it's like if you're looking

01:37:35.140 at it in your brain i feel like her maybe when it comes to sex oxytocin that's what gets released

01:37:41.840 just doesn't really get released very much for her so she's just ineffective one way or the other

01:37:46.760 when it comes to sex no matter the gender no matter whatever like i like what i like and like wait

01:37:52.960 okay hold on that's what great sexual sounds like it would be not okay maybe that's but i'm just

01:37:58.340 you are desensitized i'm not desensitized i'm not because it's what you do you might be desensitized

01:38:04.320 there might be a little desensitization just a tad no a little bit of with a partner that i want to

01:38:10.120 pursue there needs to be an emotional connection for me to be able to want to pursue that that's not a

01:38:16.340 sexual orientation i think that is that's sexuality right demisexual if i could pull out my phone

01:38:21.720 right now that's normal just go back to the 50s needing it needing an emotional connection to

01:38:27.540 have sexual attraction that is a normal sexuality but you need the definition you don't need to get

01:38:32.460 up i'll just look it up she's about to google gray sexual here while she does that hold on i need to

01:38:38.040 read this chat that's the first time i've heard of gray sexual hold on yeah me too stop stop guys stop

01:38:42.980 bender the offender thank you man ladies if a woman you know just had their first child

01:38:46.420 prioritized her career and 10 years later she did not know she was going to pass on

01:38:50.640 do you think the mother should have gone further in her career now imagine if you were that mother

01:38:55.100 oh first child wait just for the really quick to you let do you want kids one day me yeah yes you

01:39:04.460 want to have kids do you have kids no i have no kids do you want a daughter son whatever you want

01:39:10.180 some kids would you let's say your daughter came to you and she was like hey mom i want to start

01:39:16.280 escorting i want to i want to become a prostitute would you be like go for it honey or would you

01:39:23.360 try to direct her to not go down that path i mean it depends you know that's her life or his or her

01:39:31.320 you wouldn't give her counsel as no i'm saying like i would but it's just like i don't really know how

01:39:37.160 i would explain it i guess yeah i mean like my kid like the way i grew up like i said my dad you know

01:39:42.400 woman cooks and cleans and stuff like that but like i said my dad also taught us to be very

01:39:46.280 independent so my sister chose to go down as a sex worker routine my other sisters they're they work

01:39:52.600 like we all work regular jobs you know but i feel like maybe i don't think my daughter would end up

01:39:59.020 doing that but if the possibility were to occur i'd probably give her some safety notes on

01:40:03.940 what you but would you do anything to try to prevent her from doing it telling her how disappointed you

01:40:10.160 would be trying to i don't know what kind of maneuvers you could make to try to discourage her

01:40:16.260 from getting into that profession i don't think i would ever tell my daughter like i'm very

01:40:20.900 disappointed in you shame on you because that's what you want to do see we need to bring shame back

01:40:25.640 you gotta bring shame back because like i said i don't think my daughter would even ever

01:40:31.720 consider being a sex worker why do you think that

01:40:34.540 sorry hold on just a second donated 99 you're either straight or you're gay you're either male

01:40:42.720 or female okay it actually leaves me with a dark depression that this is the dating market i get

01:40:48.340 to choose from also heineck and madison c all right thank you brandon thank you said you said you love

01:40:56.680 your daughter so love is not acceptance acceptance and love don't go hand in hand at all in fact if you

01:41:03.120 love somebody and you feel something is right you want to push them to what is right you're not

01:41:08.400 going to accept them doing that i meant something that that you think whether i'm not even talking

01:41:12.560 about sex work if you think something's damaging to your child whether it's sex work or not whatever

01:41:18.180 it is and they're going to do that you're not gonna be like okay sweetheart i love you so i'm gonna

01:41:23.540 accept accept that you're doing something damaging love is an acceptance so why are you guys so stuck

01:41:29.800 on letting people do what they will and what they want to do if it's damaging and it's your child

01:41:35.000 you're not gonna want your child to do something that you think is damaging but i'm speaking for

01:41:39.980 myself and she's speaking for her sister so i'm saying like to you why do you care so much about

01:41:45.940 what i gotta do with my life right like you know what i'm saying my daughter wants to go ahead and

01:41:51.200 tell us what you're saying tell us what you're saying i'm not hurting nobody we are we care that

01:41:58.180 you are doing this with your life because we think you don't care damaging thing to do no you don't

01:42:03.980 that's just like me saying i would care if my daughter was gay or not like if that's what that's

01:42:09.100 totally different in my heart that's totally different i actually do think that what you do for

01:42:14.040 a living is damaging and debasing and degrading and i i actually do care here's the thing in your

01:42:21.000 life you might be right mary morgan might not directly care about you but she's on here to

01:42:26.540 preach what she thinks is right just like you're on here to preach what you think is right i'm saying

01:42:30.780 she doesn't care in a whole no it's you asked why we're you asked why we're basically why we're

01:42:37.560 preaching this and that's because it's not just about you it's about the general public that's watching

01:42:42.720 this this is what we think is right so we're going to talk about it and you're doing the same but not

01:42:47.500 everybody's going to live up to your standards and not everybody's going to want to do exactly

01:42:51.840 what you want them to do same thing to what you're saying and i but i know that though i'm not trying

01:42:56.040 to convince anybody else how to live their life and what to do i'm living my life for myself i'm doing

01:43:02.620 what i got to do but to live freely so so why are you saying i'm not on this podcast yeah i was just

01:43:08.840 about to say that because why are you saying this podcast as much as you are all on this podcast

01:43:15.720 we have our own different opinions and everything yeah exactly that's what i'm saying

01:43:19.800 sports donated 100 i want to get these two girls my other tts did not trigger because of a bad word i

01:43:25.720 guess did i read it you should shame your kids when they do something shameful sw is shameful we know it

01:43:32.780 is shameful because we have spent an hour attempting to justify it morals i think that means the

01:43:40.480 opposite if we have to debate over it so much i think it's not agreed that it's shameful grid one

01:43:44.660 he said ew gross af no way i'm risking mr happy for a ride on i can't say that word sorry uh for a ride

01:43:53.340 with a girl um okay i wanted to know actually why are you on this podcast because we came together we

01:44:01.180 came together why they invited me back and i'm here to talk about debate debate about what we're talking

01:44:07.960 about show some different opinions and we're saying our opinion and your response is why do you care so

01:44:15.180 much we told you why we care and you're saying you don't care like i'm just there's no way that we

01:44:21.220 can somebody what you said somebody telling somebody else how to live their life i don't

01:44:28.060 think that that's you caring like if the person is doing well and is living their life how they're

01:44:35.480 living that is what i was talking about my point is i don't think that you are doing well i don't

01:44:40.660 think that is possible i don't think that is compatible with what you do for a living which is

01:44:45.480 letting men well but the beauty of america is that it doesn't matter what you think relative to her

01:44:50.740 life as long as she's not breaking the law i actually don't necessarily disagree with you

01:44:55.300 philosophically like when you asked me what i want my kids to go into sex work the answer is

01:45:00.000 obviously no but then what i said today though for the reasons that you're arguing right i'm not i'm

01:45:06.200 not yeah i'm not i'm not defending sex work per se but i will defend a human being who is sitting

01:45:11.800 across from me who is doing nothing illegal with her life that clearly he's running a hell of a podcast

01:45:16.920 making a shit ton of money while to talk about these issues so people care about these things

01:45:21.960 and she was brave enough to come here and talk about it and then so i'm not disagreeing with the

01:45:25.880 with the philosophical precept that sex work has issues obviously but it doesn't mean that everyone

01:45:31.920 involved in it is somehow deeply corrupt or or somehow ruining society or anything else again i would say

01:45:38.180 and you both nodded when i said that maybe one day you'll find a guy and then you'll be like all right

01:45:42.580 i did that and you might regret it or not regret it or have kids or not have kids but you're like

01:45:47.520 you're probably not gonna be doing it when you're 60 i don't think you guys have illusions that you

01:45:50.740 will but like at the end of the day like you look for that what do you want to do you want to jail her

01:45:55.640 like what do you want to do with her and i think it's a leak i think we're not debating the legality

01:45:59.600 i thank you so much for reacting that way you know what i mean because although like you say you don't

01:46:04.720 agree with it completely and whatever you're still kind i understand and you're treating me like a human

01:46:10.460 being and yeah thank you this this all stemmed from you or can you can you okay this all stemmed

01:46:18.420 from you saying that your parents were supportive or i forget the exact wording respect or was it

01:46:24.180 respect i don't know exactly i was just a bit surprised because that's typically not normal for

01:46:32.020 parents to be like really enthusiastically happy i mean they weren't jumping for joy involved they

01:46:38.320 weren't jumping for joy or anything like that sure you know okay but okay okay yeah i feel like we

01:46:44.220 got here we were never you guys were you too hold on stop you two you two haven't really been able

01:46:49.360 to speak much i want to try to bring you in i think you both were kind of shaking your heads and i don't

01:46:54.140 know in disagreement a little bit your thoughts and then your thoughts go ahead i just think it depends

01:46:58.180 on the person and if they like what they're doing and they're happy i feel like it should be sure

01:47:02.960 be like a question like if they're doing what there's like they want to do and they're happy

01:47:07.820 and if it's not damaging to them maybe it might be damaging to you if you did it but for her it's

01:47:13.280 not so okay what about you i agree with what she's saying and i'm into the mic please straight into

01:47:18.680 sorry we started talking about this because someone said something about them not having respect for

01:47:26.160 themselves but i don't think that's the case at all if i'm being honest and i don't think anybody

01:47:33.780 who they're with or anything doesn't have respect for them either i mean if we're being honest like

01:47:42.180 what what he said like

01:47:43.920 like about watching porn and stuff and like paying for only fans and all this stuff like you're playing

01:47:53.580 into it and supporting it yeah you're supporting it but and then everyone who's disagreeing with

01:48:01.260 what they say and how you were surprised i understand why you were surprised about her parents

01:48:06.300 um being happy but i don't understand you being surprised about her parents supporting her

01:48:14.580 because i think you're a parent i mean i'm not but i'm saying like if i did have a child

01:48:22.400 of course like if it was them getting into like this type of work like i wouldn't be like super

01:48:30.780 excited enthusiastic about it but anything that they do like even like you brought up the football

01:48:39.540 example and how it was similar i don't think that that's similar at all what you said about the

01:48:46.620 similarities i think that made sense but i think the two things aren't similar and yeah i just i think

01:48:54.980 like if i had a kid like no matter what they're doing like i'm gonna support period no matter what

01:49:00.540 what if they're drug dealing now that's actually hurting somebody yeah that's hurting if they're not

01:49:06.080 hurting anybody they're not hurting themselves i just it's is it though because because

01:49:10.000 i'm not really legalized i think legal sex work we were advocating we're on a legal brothel where

01:49:17.000 we get tested once a week on the spot okay for stds for hiv and aids we provide you a safe spot to

01:49:25.580 come hang out with the girls at the bunny ranch sure so yeah like i'm not i'm not surprised that her

01:49:31.740 parents are supportive of it especially because you've gone like through the legal avenues you're

01:49:35.900 doing it at one of the few legalized brothels that there is in the united states and like i've seen

01:49:40.180 hbo's cat house and like they have monitors they have i don't know if they still have cameras but

01:49:44.020 they have cameras watching all the interactions it's like it's legal it's above board so if there

01:49:49.060 ever were to be a scenario where a parent is actually like more than fine with their parent being a sex

01:49:53.420 worker i feel like it would be even if something is legal i don't necessarily think it means that

01:49:59.140 that that like perhaps a parent might not be enthused if their child is a i'm trying to think

01:50:07.600 of a uh i don't know well the question is do you want to do you want to legalize do you want to

01:50:11.980 institutionalize or criminalize your morality so again i'm not defending sex work but are you like

01:50:17.680 ultimately do you want to put them in jail like what is what do you want please i want to know people

01:50:22.700 who are make who are prostitution is the oldest business in the history of the world so it's going to

01:50:27.160 happen one way or another that's just a fact it's just a fact but by the way by the way i can

01:50:32.340 i can also make partly the other argument which would be that i i do smoke weed every now and again

01:50:37.260 i used to smoke a lot of weed but i smoke weed maybe once a week for like five minutes to watch

01:50:41.560 the simpsons and go to bed but um the more weed has become legal i actually do see it as a problem

01:50:47.120 because if any of you guys have been to new york city lately the city has completely fallen apart

01:50:50.740 because it stinks like weed everywhere because everyone's stoned everywhere or go to san francisco or even

01:50:55.740 out here in santa barbara like it smells like weed everywhere over time that's not good for society

01:50:59.960 so i can make a sort of counter argument to it uh but at the end of the day you you can have your own

01:51:05.040 personal moral beliefs that you can instill in your family and hope that your children will take those

01:51:09.900 and build families that are similar or you got to be like i'm going to jail an awful lot of people or

01:51:14.360 kill an awful lot of people if i can hold on hold on if i can bring it back i think this ultimately

01:51:20.800 stems from a conversation we're having to kind of bring it back into context with dating i think we

01:51:26.320 should maybe stray away from sex work bad sex work good let's try to bring it center it back to how

01:51:32.640 it relates to dating yeah and i think generally speaking most men do not want to date women who

01:51:38.940 are sex workers i feel like that also just i think they'll say that that depends on your partner

01:51:45.600 like if that it literally depends on your partner like you have to have that connection with your

01:51:51.120 partner and talk all the time like with that partner that you have so say if she's a sex work

01:51:56.320 like i'm sorry sorry you are a sex worker right but if a man were to come up to you and you guys started

01:52:01.160 getting to know each other a little bit more and like maybe a year goes by and he said hey i don't

01:52:05.820 want you to be a sex worker no more i want you to you know get a regular job maybe and i could take

01:52:11.580 care of you like you'd probably be like yeah yeah of course just like i said it depends on your

01:52:16.340 partner exactly what i said on who you are talking to i'm just look men are allowed to have a preference

01:52:22.620 standard or boundary yeah a lot of men and vice versa yeah sure but this pushback on men having this

01:52:31.520 standard of not wanting to date women who are prostitutes it's like to me do you guys think that

01:52:39.160 there's a large majority of men that want to date women who are or were involved in prostitution

01:52:45.160 most men do not want to have long-term romantic relationships or probably even casual short-term

01:52:51.520 relationships with women who are or were prostitutes i don't think that's a controversial

01:52:56.380 i'm with you i don't think they want long-term relationships with sex workers but even the

01:53:00.840 short-term and hookup i definitely think they'd be like a lot of men would be way more open to that

01:53:05.000 idea than you're willing to admit well let's let's all we also have because sex work is such a broad

01:53:09.400 thing because that that could be anything from only tasteful lingerie photos to like street yeah

01:53:14.940 so prostitution large majority of men would not want short-term or long-term romantic dating with

01:53:22.520 prostitutes only fans porn it's probably a higher proportion of men um and we can go on i think

01:53:29.380 they'll say that but things change you know like people it's like they'll go in thinking like even if

01:53:34.480 it's short-term or whatever you don't really choose so you fall in love with i think it's

01:53:37.640 entirely possible like guys fall in love with strippers and sex workers all the time all the

01:53:42.160 time and there's been like success successful men that have married and or dated girls that are in

01:53:49.000 the sex work industry that's a big l for the dude that's a huge l and you may think that but to others

01:53:56.320 not so much what's your purpose of having girls like them on the show what do you mean what's the

01:54:02.600 reason that you bring like a whole bunch of girls sex workers and just like cute girls

01:54:07.720 what's what's my what's your purpose of bringing them on show i actually don't mean i don't mean

01:54:12.100 yeah yeah like let's but i'm just trying to understand something because arguments like this

01:54:16.760 because it gets attention and i yeah no no because we could you could be having these conversations with

01:54:23.260 people that are dressed differently and not showing off their boobs and everything else unless

01:54:27.640 people would watch and you'd make less money right like that's how it works so everyone's playing a

01:54:32.560 game to a certain extent i i don't mean that judgy to you i really don't but i'm trying to understand

01:54:37.580 like the nature of your you have these girls here sure there's a reason you bring them on right

01:54:42.760 well i mean i suppose there's a reason i bring on everybody onto the show but but i mean they

01:54:48.620 initially i think you reached out to me for your first appearance but i mean i think you also reached

01:54:52.900 more people will watch if you bring on girls dressed a certain way right like that well i

01:54:57.080 didn't tell them how to dress no no he's making a there's a lot of boobs at this table like right

01:55:04.600 like there's a reason for that i mean you should be asking them why they dress the way they do not

01:55:08.600 me but grid one motorsports donated 100 decaying morals is a decaying society calling people out on

01:55:17.360 it as shameful and not being afraid to stand up and say that is disgusting and there is no way i will

01:55:22.980 even be your friend is lacking but needed but men are shamed for saying i do not want to 304

01:55:29.680 i have a question

01:55:32.080 yeah um my question is so i like to come on these podcasts because um i think that perhaps maybe to

01:55:44.040 somebody who is watching who uh so i've had experiences in sexual healing with uh recovering

01:55:50.360 incels and um what keep going and and um it it they're they're really the people that i've met i've

01:56:00.840 had experiences with them and i i think that is that a healthy place for them to go like a bra a brothel

01:56:07.820 in a sense where it's it's safe nobody's going to claim anything against them nobody's going to do

01:56:11.780 anything against them they can get their needs met and and it's a legal safe place rather than like

01:56:17.080 you know they go on the internet to to find something and then all of a sudden it's a man

01:56:21.580 in like timbuktu or something and and i think that it's healthy for the brothel um you know to

01:56:28.440 to be there for these men that just want and have that experience and that genuine experience i i think

01:56:34.520 it could be truthfully i'm not even sure that i'm i don't even think that i'm against legal

01:56:40.760 prostitution yeah but when it comes to dating i would advise men not to date women who are involved

01:56:48.700 in sex work me personally i would not want to for i would not want to date a woman who was involved

01:56:54.820 in sex work i think it's a perfectly reasonable and valid uh standard of preference to have yeah i it's

01:57:01.920 not so much that i'm i'm maybe it's more so mary that might have an issue with it but i honestly like

01:57:08.380 i i don't know if i have really an issue with a legal prostitution but purely from like hey saying

01:57:14.480 it's okay for men to not want to date women who are involved in no they i think men are entitled to

01:57:20.960 have their preferences when it comes to who they date i want to ask dave so i saw a tts that said

01:57:25.800 like you're a conservative or you're a fascist you're like what is like politically what what is

01:57:29.800 your like like what is your political label fascist i'm definitely right wing extremists i mean well

01:57:36.020 everyone well i've gone very hard on the woke and i was one of the first people calling out woke stuff

01:57:41.480 like a decade ago before before the phrase woke was around and i was i've always considered myself

01:57:46.820 liberal in the true sense of liberalism which is about free speech and individual rights

01:57:51.340 and limited government and that sort of thing which now is more thought of as libertarian

01:57:56.400 um but i mean i'm gay married i'm i would say i'm begrudgingly pro-choice who did you vote for in

01:58:02.760 the last election i voted for trump last time and the one before i voted for uh gary johnson who was

01:58:07.640 the pothead libertarian so you supported the gop yeah um do you think like most conservatives like

01:58:14.500 have the view on sex work that you do and like kind of this laissez-faire attitude of like even if you

01:58:19.500 know i'd say i'm more i'm more on the libertarian side of probably what a republican is but i know that

01:58:24.600 some people have issues with my life right so like the exchange you have in a free society

01:58:29.200 is that you have to grant again you can have an ideal of what you want society to be and that ideal

01:58:35.040 is what you should try to do i think in your home and your community and everything else but in a

01:58:40.160 pluralistic society where we have 350 million people that are every color and religion and have every

01:58:45.580 thought process and philosophy you got to figure out a system that is going to allow people to live as

01:58:50.920 they wish and sometimes you're not going to like it so which candidate are you going to like support

01:58:55.120 and oh i live in florida i mean i think desantis is probably the best candidate we've had in modern

01:58:59.800 i feel like if you're talking about libertarian values i feel like desantis has some of the worst

01:59:03.760 record when it comes to that just because he is his abortion ban in his state like did you support

01:59:08.900 the abortion ban so i the abortion ban is the one thing that i personally disagree with him

01:59:13.400 florida had 15 weeks which i'm fine with look first off it's a much bigger topic than we can

01:59:19.140 probably do here right um or like restricting access to contraception i know he also supported

01:59:23.920 that just on the abortion thing he's the he's the governor of the state so abortion after roe v wade

01:59:28.840 as i'm sure you know it was kicked back to the state super unpopular yeah i think it was the right

01:59:33.000 choice because abortion regardless of your feelings on abortion abortion was not a constitutionally

01:59:38.100 guaranteed right that's what that's what the case according to the ninth amendment we have rights

01:59:42.580 that aren't explicitly enumerated in the constitution and like even with roe v wade and stuff like

01:59:46.840 that i feel like the majority of americans like didn't support that decision 60 percent of americans

01:59:50.940 are in favor of abortion we don't legislate based on the majority but not putting the supreme court

01:59:55.720 of the united states decided that abortion was not a constitution yeah roe v wade over pushing it

02:00:00.040 back to the states right it didn't make abortion illegal it just pushed it but he wants like a

02:00:03.680 federal abortion ban uh so that like the republican line was like well he's i've never heard him say

02:00:08.560 he wants a federal abortion now he wants a heartbeat bill which is what he has in florida i personally

02:00:13.860 disagree with him on that specific thing but beyond that i don't think i have any real disagreements

02:00:19.060 with him i think he's pushed woke out of schools i think he's done more in terms of fighting the

02:00:24.740 insane culture wars than anybody i think he's probably like the the most sort of morally clear

02:00:30.440 leader in terms even with the disney stuff like yeah it was great what he did with disney why absolutely

02:00:34.760 if you're like a libertarian and you if you think the market should decide right like his inner he's

02:00:39.420 interfering with the market no no no no no you're confused as to what he did disney had special

02:00:44.140 laws and regulations and tax breaks and an airport and a whole bunch of stuff that crony capitalists

02:00:49.840 before him put in and he removed it so he made it more libertarian libertarian is that you want an

02:00:54.560 even no like him interfering if like would you say you're like a classical liberal special they had

02:01:00.080 special rights disney had special rights that sea world didn't have and gator world didn't have that

02:01:05.300 you know their competitors right so he took away their special rights that's that's evening the

02:01:09.780 playing field yeah so that would that would be the classical no it's not regulation even it's

02:01:14.900 removing special privilege you're a fake conservative you're a liberal disguised truly disappointed also

02:01:20.680 women who do us work is just women who never got attention and any man who lets their daughter it

02:01:26.060 is a disgrace and not again again i just said i'm not a i'm not a traditional conservative i'm gay

02:01:31.960 married i'm begrudgingly pro-choice we could probably go i mean my first book was a

02:01:35.140 defense of liberalism actually but i think you're just a little confused as to what the the disney

02:01:39.320 situation was like what you're talking about like oh he came in and he removed this or whatever it's

02:01:43.460 still a republican governor interfere interfering with the market and if you refer to yourself as

02:01:48.220 like a liberal in the classical sense that means that there's not really supposed to be that no

02:01:51.980 well i don't believe in no government i'm not an anarchist i believe that government should be

02:01:55.880 limited for specific things one thing government should be used for is to make sure that certain

02:02:01.260 companies aren't treated better than other companies because of political preferences so

02:02:05.260 all he did was remove that so now disney has to operate under the same exact laws that sea world

02:02:11.040 stuff and the contraceptive stuff alone like conflict with your purported libertarian values

02:02:16.340 so much because to restrict access to contraception what what like defunding contraception wouldn't you

02:02:22.940 say that that's an intrusion upon like people's individual liberty he's not i mean i don't know what

02:02:27.060 you're saying he's not stopping anyone from getting condoms or getting birth control or something

02:02:31.320 of that he is by restricting access to contraception what access is he restricted i can't remember what

02:02:36.520 the name of it is but between his abortion ban for his state which is again it's not an abortion ban

02:02:42.000 you can say it's an abortion ban but it's not he has a heartbeat bill six weeks you may personally

02:02:45.880 disagree with it but then you shouldn't live in florida you have to figure out what your hierarchy of

02:02:49.720 important ideas is right and if you put if you put abortion if you put eight month abortions at the

02:02:54.460 highest you probably just shouldn't live in florida wouldn't you say that states rights right but

02:02:58.740 then the constitution as like a federal document has to guarantee some certain rights to people

02:03:03.840 regardless of like the individual well yes it's the rights that are in the constitution

02:03:07.620 shouldn't they not be intruding upon people's right to get access to like contraception and to abortion

02:03:12.260 well there's no right to contraception but there's so many rights that are not explicitly enumerated

02:03:17.040 in the constitution right so you leave those things to the state so again if you don't like the

02:03:20.780 things that desantis is doing the right wing are calling for these like federal abortion bans which

02:03:25.340 are ridiculously unpopular but if you don't support them that's good like you're saying you

02:03:29.080 don't support a federal abortion ban no i don't know because it has nothing to do with the federal

02:03:32.740 government i don't right it has nothing we just reversed roe v wade kicked it back to the states

02:03:37.960 the states right but like mitch mcconnell was calling for like a federal abortion ban

02:03:42.260 yeah i don't know that i've ever heard him say that but i'm not i'm certainly not for that

02:03:46.140 here let's bring it back to dating here uh and dave we have i think about 10 ish more minutes

02:03:51.460 okay um is there anything dating related that you would like to talk about dating related that i

02:03:58.100 would like to talk about since we have you for another 10 minutes here any any topics you'd like

02:04:01.540 to hit on i think the trick is you just have to find somebody that will just like push you in the

02:04:06.820 ways that will make you a little bit better you know what i mean like if you're a like a big kind

02:04:11.440 of blue sky thinker then you should have someone that's like a granule thinker and then you can go

02:04:15.900 and build great things together like for me in my life right now like i work very hard and i do this

02:04:21.280 and it's had a lot of rewards obviously financial and otherwise and my husband does most we don't we

02:04:26.740 don't have help we have his sister-in-law is helping us but we don't have like hired help at the home

02:04:30.440 and he's doing most of the work with the kids during the day and then i do my show and i come

02:04:34.460 out and i'm changing diapers and then i run back in and i'm on fox and i go back and i'm changing another

02:04:38.700 diaper but he's doing that like we figured out a way you have to find somebody that basically just like

02:04:44.460 that your life will be a good blended kind of holistic thing and if you can do that every

02:04:49.480 couple that i've ever met that if they do that when you're with when you're with them and you're

02:04:52.540 like oh they're not constantly trying to take each other out that's that's the trick also forgot to

02:04:57.440 say love you in the podcast brian keep up the good work hey elijah thank you elijah excuse me thank

02:05:03.120 you very much man really appreciate it uh thank you thank you and uh my question was so question

02:05:10.060 so companies i just never knew that companies are just or uh you said is it dating related let's

02:05:16.140 try to no okay maybe let's try to keep it if we can um did you have no i think anything else i think

02:05:24.460 you're a little confused about what he did with disney with i think there was like clear market

02:05:28.120 intervention there but i mean if you don't support his like contraception removed it you understand like

02:05:33.360 they had special privileges and he removed them that's what you would want a conservative to do

02:05:37.840 right you would want people to to make the playing field even that's the difference if he if he had

02:05:43.640 been out there like oh we'll give sea world special privileges that would be a problem right like if

02:05:48.660 you owned a business you wouldn't want the government to give your competitor special privileges

02:05:52.880 because i think if it's lucrative for your state like disney is a massive multi-billion like corporate

02:05:59.340 conglomerate for him to interfere in the market like that just like not even speaking to whether it's

02:06:04.660 right or wrong i think it's like a huge point of hypocrisy for him to like go back on that and

02:06:08.700 interfere you know interfere with the market like that and then dave what do you think about feminism

02:06:13.540 what do you think about feminism i think that third wave feminism has led to many of the problems that

02:06:20.900 we're discussing here today basically would be the short answer of that what's what's the longer

02:06:26.340 the longer version of it would be that i think that the heart of what you're saying which is actually

02:06:32.040 the heart of what you're saying and is that basically most people putting aside gay straight

02:06:37.100 or anything else most people want to find a person that they love and that they can build a life with

02:06:43.160 and that is good and decent and sometimes getting there is a little bit messy or a little bit different

02:06:48.220 and i usually talk about things from a societal perspective or political perspective so i'm just

02:06:52.760 trying to figure out a way to build a society or which we had in america for a long time and i would

02:06:57.140 say we're getting very close to throwing away completely which would understand that there are

02:07:02.200 people that do what you do for a living and what you do for a living and that there are there are

02:07:05.840 people who are totally religiously against those things and how do you blend enough of a society

02:07:12.040 so you're literally not jailing people and killing people and turning neighbor against neighbor

02:07:17.360 the best way to do that i think is a classically liberal perspective so when people say i'm not a

02:07:22.580 conservative it's like i guess i'm not and that in a real i would say i'm a modern conservative

02:07:27.020 because it's conservatives that are actually defending all of those liberal values

02:07:30.700 um but the best thing they absolutely are no i'll send you a copy of my first book you'll like it

02:07:37.100 for sure i want one but especially i know me too you got it i'll send all three of you the book

02:07:41.680 but the point is the best thing you can do in a society is figure out okay is there something to aim for

02:07:46.640 and then what are the laws we can have so that people will have some individual choice within that

02:07:50.920 and and live a life that that is hopefully decent otherwise otherwise i mean why do communist regimes

02:07:55.740 end up or or any authoritarian regime end up killing an awful lot of people there's a reason for it

02:08:01.080 you know they promise you utopia but the problem is humans are imperfect so we can't build perfect systems

02:08:06.140 dave do you think uh male privilege is a thing male privilege male privilege what are your thoughts on

02:08:11.360 i don't really i i don't think that any of these privileged things are real

02:08:15.040 you know some people are born rich and blow it some people are born poor and and do really well

02:08:19.620 like that's the story that everyone loves in every movie the guy who's born with nothing and abused

02:08:23.260 and blah blah blah and for nothing and and become something great like the hero's journey is that

02:08:28.040 whatever the shit is that you have whatever your shit is right you came from a broken family or or you

02:08:33.380 came from a super wealthy family that ignored you the whole time or or whatever like the hero's journey

02:08:38.820 is figuring out what your set of stuff is right and taking it and not just letting it own you forever

02:08:44.300 which almost everyone that you will meet in life does almost everyone literally um and if you can

02:08:50.580 figure out a way to take that stuff and take it with you on your adventure and then eventually figure

02:08:55.800 out how to put it aside and then live the life you're supposed to live man you will be happy and

02:08:59.900 fulfilled and you will probably be successful and accomplish everything you want to accomplish

02:09:04.120 okay so privilege male privilege female privilege that's just irrelevant in a way i think we're getting

02:09:11.160 pretty close to here on the time uh phoenix are we i got a thing seven minutes okay yo ab ab check

02:09:20.140 thank for the uh 20 gifted membership thank you um i'm let me uh get a couple chats here why not uh we

02:09:26.880 have uh this is from about 23 minutes ago ox maxi absolutely base take from dave so i'm not sure

02:09:33.740 exactly what it's in reference to but also i watched i love watching madison pulling faces and stuff

02:09:38.860 in the background madison standing from london unfortunately she here uh ox she hears you

02:09:44.800 she's just behind uh the scenes here but she hears you uh and then we have grid coming in one motorsports

02:09:51.460 donated one hundred dollars for the panel as much damage do you feel feminism has done to dating and

02:09:57.820 relationships how can the patriarchy help you today how can patriarchy help you today

02:10:05.720 is that the question what does that mean yeah what i'm a little confused you know if i learned

02:10:09.760 anything on this show it's that i don't do super chats and i'm really leaving a lot of money on the

02:10:13.800 table this great guy watch my show yeah um baby check thank you it usually it is tonight it's been

02:10:24.080 very maybe i should have boosted it for tonight's show normally it's not this frequent the interruptions

02:10:30.140 but uh it's healthy yes that's good yeah yeah so grid one thank you so uh how how can the patriarchy

02:10:38.940 help you today is that i don't know i don't know how the girls would answer that question well i think

02:10:45.620 they mean i think they mean how can how can the idea of finding a man who will take care of you

02:10:50.560 basically so that you can maybe you know have kids and take care of the home does that work for you

02:10:56.680 do you guys think the patriarchy is based and you love it wait no i'm so confused what's the

02:11:01.300 question guys what is the patriarchy i don't it's maybe it's how much damage do you think

02:11:05.660 feminism has done to dating today but he did a typo there oh he does well he does say uh or well as

02:11:12.980 much oh how much damage how much damage has feminism done do you guys here's a let me rephrase it if you

02:11:20.180 don't mind grid one do you guys think that feminism has done damage to dating and relationships

02:11:25.880 i think well if you look at statistically well hold on let's start with you we'll go around the

02:11:32.080 table can we start over here and no no no start i just really don't know okay fine go ahead uh repeat

02:11:38.700 the question sorry do you think feminism has done damage to dating and relationships i i suppose

02:11:45.940 specifically within uh male female relationships no you don't you don't think it's damaged the

02:11:52.160 relationships i think you disagree with me but like what's an example of like how feminism is

02:11:56.760 damaged the basic idea would be selling women the idea that if you're career career oriented and you

02:12:02.960 just chase all of that instead of chasing finding a man getting married being a mother all of those

02:12:09.180 things that that will somehow leave you fulfilled and in almost every case we just know that that's

02:12:14.360 simply not true which is probably a shitty thing for a guy that's 47 to say to a 20 i don't know how

02:12:20.120 all of you are right but like it probably actually is true and not probably i feel like people kind

02:12:26.000 of present this false dichotomy it doesn't mean that women shouldn't be equal but that the idea

02:12:30.280 of feminism selling this thing that you have to be out there working all day and not home for your

02:12:35.620 like we all know like my mom when when my parents got married my parents have been married 50 something

02:12:40.200 years they still live in the house that i grew up in since i was three years old my mom was working

02:12:44.580 before i'm the oldest my mom was working before i went to school then she stopped working for like 20

02:12:48.960 years my sister's 10 years younger than me i can't she made us breakfast every day we came home she

02:12:53.440 was there to open the door every day all my friends my house was the place we went to it created a type

02:12:58.540 of stability and all of those things and then and then that gave her worth and then she then did go

02:13:03.760 back to work after but the idea that you would go be a lawyer and go like be in corporate america and

02:13:09.460 you know they sold feminism sold something that fundamentally is probably not totally true i guess not to say

02:13:16.800 that there aren't exceptions to that because of course there are i just see it as like this false

02:13:19.920 dichotomy that you can either decide between like a career and a family where it's like obvious that

02:13:24.320 men manage to like have children and have like very successful corporate careers i think women are

02:13:28.860 finding it increasingly just possible for them to go to school have a stable job for a few years they

02:13:34.420 have kids they end up raising those kids but then as soon as the kids are like right back in school

02:13:38.360 they want to go back right back to work and i don't see that as like a negative thing i guess like brian

02:13:42.120 maybe does or no yes what's negative about like women working and also like raising families at the

02:13:50.700 same time i don't think those are mutually exclusive well i think that the lie at the center that in

02:13:55.640 feminism is that you can do both of those things to the fullest capacity and the truth is like one of

02:14:04.260 those things has to take priority you can't be the ceo and the super mom at the same time and

02:14:10.800 that lie makes a lot of women at the end of the day feel inadequate kim kardashian's a super mom

02:14:17.420 the woman who's been divorced multiple times and she has rich kids don't she's done rich people don't

02:14:22.700 raise their kids for the most part if you become wealthy enough that you're like a ceo of fortune

02:14:26.740 500 company what like wealthy people have in common with like lower income people is that they get other

02:14:31.340 people to raise their kids because they get nannies but we don't know that though that's so it could be

02:14:34.960 different that's not a good thing i'm not saying it's a good thing i'm just saying it's what ends up

02:14:39.700 happening like their kids aren't just like latchkey kids at home or whatever like they end up

02:14:43.620 outsourcing that or whatever because they don't personally i can tell you it's actually a deeply

02:14:47.020 depressing thing truly because i have a lot of friends that are super rich and we're obviously

02:14:51.000 doing okay and i could live that life if i wanted and we made a very conscious choice not to do that

02:14:55.500 because that's not what we want in our home for our kids but you have a successful career and you

02:14:59.940 managed you said you have two one-year-olds yeah and you managed to like strike a balance right like

02:15:04.240 have you seen like have you seen your work um or like like household income decrease ever since you

02:15:08.860 had your kids no but my husband has fully 100 he doesn't work a full-time job in that sense but

02:15:15.020 he has a job that's way more important than my job actually my job's bringing money into the house but

02:15:19.220 his job is keeping these kids alive and going and he's doing it incredibly once they become like

02:15:24.280 in school do you think he's going to just return back to work yeah yeah i think that's what most women

02:15:28.840 do yeah yeah uh dave it is seven that's it all right but dave i'm going to a sex worker

02:15:35.400 wait wait really really quick are you really you dude is so funny what's up yeah do you do like

02:15:41.480 debates or conversations on your thing yeah would you ever debate sam cedar no he's a horrible horrible

02:15:47.640 human being no you wouldn't debate him no no no but you're into like open exchange of ideas and stuff

02:15:53.220 right no he's a trash human being why no because he's done like a thousand videos about me that are

02:16:00.360 all nonsense i've never even talked about him i think what a boring way to not boring what an

02:16:06.040 unfortunate way to have me walk off no he's like a really terrible person i didn't get into the internet

02:16:11.520 to like just endlessly destroy everybody and everything else i like talking to people that i can have

02:16:16.680 enlightened conversations with i'm like some people just want endless destruction for uh i think

02:16:21.680 you should give sam a chance i think you guys would have a really good conversation yeah oh you're a

02:16:25.300 troll i knew something was up with you no i'm not i usually think that no no no no no no i couldn't

02:16:31.940 quite figure it out with you but all right you don't get the book you guys get the book oh wow

02:16:35.520 okay dave thanks for coming man yeah you got it all right

02:16:39.280 your phone your phone madison madison thank you thanks for coming dave appreciate it

02:16:46.660 madison it was so nice yeah thank you wait wait no no no no can we keep the show going

02:16:54.400 a hug you need really yeah you need to do a hug really is a hug necessary yeah he was nice

02:17:00.880 all right um okay let me do a couple chats because we need to get caught up on a few

02:17:07.220 john galt i don't know if you're still watching sorry this came in a while ago it fell off my thing

02:17:11.440 so i'm not going to be able to visually bring it up but john galt asked can you ask mary if she sees

02:17:17.220 herself as more feminine or masculine i think trad con women like her are smart principled logical

02:17:22.460 and assertive but paradoxically these qualities come across as masculine like i would vote for her

02:17:28.540 but not date her do you have a response um i think that my public persona is a lot different from

02:17:35.380 who i am in private and who i am in my relationship um but you're right there are traits that women don't

02:17:44.320 normally have that make it easier for me to be a public person who speaks on the internet and has

02:17:49.740 convictions like i was kind of trying to point this out on sunday um i'm lower in agreeability than

02:17:57.400 the average woman lower in neuroticism uh things like that these are traits that like

02:18:03.180 you're more likely to see them in women so yeah like definitely there are things about me that are

02:18:10.900 maybe defective or more masculine that make it easier for me to do things like this all right we

02:18:18.200 have bender the offender it is so sad that modern women aren't even afraid to disappoint the ones they

02:18:24.020 love and hold dear okay bender the offender thank you man appreciate it and then we have actually let me

02:18:31.200 pull up this one from uh grid one motorsports it's coming up in just a sec guys okay the how can the

02:18:42.360 patriarchy help you was kind of sarcastic but we are here to help the lies grid grid one motorsports

02:18:49.220 is part of the patriarchy the lies sold to women by the feminist movement have done damage to

02:18:54.800 relationships was curious how much damage the panel sees it having been done we didn't really fully go

02:19:00.940 around the table on that i suppose we could um i think we left off do you have thoughts on that

02:19:06.760 do you think feminism has damaged relationships let's try to i want to try to move around the

02:19:11.000 table here pretty quickly really short and sweet but um i've noticed that you know my my whole life

02:19:17.100 i've i've identified as a feminist i've identified as one but i've noticed i've noticed this i've been

02:19:23.260 there were feminists that i've met that were like you couldn't be a feminist not at all not at all

02:19:29.060 like don't just shut up quit talking there are some feminists that are anti-sexual yes and they're

02:19:32.940 very mean there are some that are pro-sexual very mean and and they were very mean and so it kept me

02:19:38.460 in this voiceless position in a sense where i was in relationships where i felt voiceless where i was

02:19:44.120 like i want to speak out but here i'm told by other women that i don't even like represent any other women

02:19:51.000 or anything so it's just so i stay quiet and when you stay quiet silence is one of the most hurtful

02:19:57.060 things that can happen did they tell you why they they just said oh you're a sex worker you're not

02:20:01.340 on like our level kind of thing and did you just why didn't you just ask why because i just i just

02:20:07.640 like maybe i'll just make them happy and stop saying that i but i always felt like i i i think that i

02:20:13.680 wonder if like the feminism like it started out as like maybe a beautiful empowering thing and then

02:20:18.220 it was turned into some sort of a tyrannical like uh like hey you're not good enough to be that

02:20:23.240 you're you are not good enough as you're a sex worker shut up and and it's like why are you

02:20:27.440 telling me this as a woman who claiming to be a feminist like stop like you know you should be

02:20:32.140 supportive of women you know and and so i i do identify one as but a quiet one in that sense because

02:20:38.720 i felt like i would just get obliterated by some people see this is what it really just bothers me

02:20:43.900 with okay do you have a quick is it quick i go ahead yeah i just go ahead do you have the question

02:20:52.380 again has feminism do you think feminism has damaged damaged the relationships between men

02:20:57.840 and women i don't really know okay yeah so feminism is damaging relationships as a woman like i don't

02:21:06.540 holy fuck this question okay yeah it damaged my relationship because i didn't speak up in times

02:21:12.040 where i felt like man i could get you know learn my voice with this feminine culture and i could learn

02:21:16.940 my voice and i didn't speak up in certain situations certain relationships and that's where i felt

02:21:21.840 the damage happened from feminism to another woman who was trying to be i think she's talking

02:21:27.760 specifically about like swerves or sex worker exclusionary feminists or whatever in that sense

02:21:32.680 but i don't think you're saying the principles of feminism themselves are detrimental to dating

02:21:36.600 thank you just what you said good you feel like you couldn't speak as a woman sometimes no

02:21:41.120 like the fear of oppression like government oppression just just i think i i grew up no that's

02:21:48.260 an existence in the u.s that's what i mean yeah yeah you have the freedom to speak yeah they have

02:21:53.360 the freedom to speak as well yeah and so i just kind of let them and i was just like all right you

02:21:58.140 felt like you didn't have the freedom to speak you guys are talking about you felt like you didn't have

02:22:01.660 the freedom to speak you had the freedom to speak it's just it was just in your personal it was in

02:22:06.860 it's not in her nature to speak up yes that's it's she's made that very clear about her personality

02:22:13.040 it's not in her nature to speak up and she's learning how to that's what she's trying to say

02:22:16.980 yes well maybe it's and it makes sense there's no way feminism feminism allowed you to do that

02:22:20.860 or did not allow you to do that i just don't understand how it's a political movement and that

02:22:24.660 you're i hate my fucking job i think the point is that feminism hi brian

02:22:28.500 you you cannot be a good enough feminist because feminism asks women just kidding i'm kidding guys

02:22:36.000 i'm kidding well are we talking about good enough feminist you said it right good enough like when

02:22:41.180 am i good enough like that's that was it yeah yeah there's no such thing because like feminism is

02:22:46.760 based on a lie that there's no differences between men and women and feminism expects women to act like

02:22:53.900 men or in there sir there's a certain sets you up for failure

02:22:57.560 i just think that i mean if you want to be independent you can be an independent woman like

02:23:07.260 don't get me wrong but i mean i feel like uh if you want to date a man i feel like do you do you

02:23:12.960 think that feminism has damaged the relationship between men and women it depends on the circumstances

02:23:19.780 i have no idea okay uh did you want me to answer the question brian let's try to keep it brief but

02:23:29.600 go ahead well yeah to put it simply feminism has damaged relationships between men and women

02:23:36.000 as i said before it's because feminism as an ideology is based on an insidious lie that there is no

02:23:43.340 difference between men and women and that we should be expected to act exactly the same way and

02:23:49.600 that's why there's no way to be a good enough feminist your mic that way good enough yeah that

02:23:55.220 way essentially feminism asks women to be second-rate men i think any brand of feminism that's trying to

02:24:06.840 get women to like replicate some of like the more toxic i guess aspects of like masculinity is not

02:24:12.060 really positive or whatever but i think it's a little bit of a straw man or like uncharitable to

02:24:15.960 say that feminism is just the belief that like men and women are completely equal in all respects i

02:24:21.920 think it's about acknowledging those differences but saying that they're not enough to to argue

02:24:26.640 against equality right now equality between men and women i'm just disagreeing with her it's a

02:24:31.640 political liberation movement and i think what it's asking for is women to be liberated from their own

02:24:37.480 nature and i mean if we're bringing it back to dating this means that men can't take their natural

02:24:44.560 role in dating anymore they can't be the pursuers they can't be the leaders they can't be heads of

02:24:49.560 households in a society where men and women are expected to have the same goals you say that but

02:24:56.380 you're in a long-term relationship right you said one year yeah right and then you were saying like

02:25:01.060 professionally that you feel like you have like more masculine tendencies that make you good and that

02:25:05.740 you're like i see the difference between myself like professionally and personally right sure i feel

02:25:09.960 like feminism is the thing that has enabled you to be able to have a career path and also be able to

02:25:14.820 enjoy and also be able to enjoy like a long-term relationship i think you're living proof that it's

02:25:19.400 not one or the other that you can have this sort of like mainstream career and you can also have a

02:25:23.740 personal relationship and that doesn't come at the expense of one another but my point is that

02:25:27.800 most women are not suited to that to prioritize careers because most women don't have the traits

02:25:35.400 like a more assertiveness or higher disagreeability and the ability to negotiate advocate for themselves

02:25:42.980 these are not things that come naturally to women then why do you have them because exceptions to

02:25:48.860 rules exist i don't think that you're just exceptional in that sense i think there's lots

02:25:53.100 of women who are equally as like you know forward or like confident and stuff like that yeah absolutely

02:25:59.080 i think there's plenty of women like um i didn't catch your name oh lauren lauren i feel like lauren is a

02:26:03.920 perfect example of like a woman who is uh perfectly capable of holding her own and like these

02:26:08.120 discussions like this like coming into this like kind of hostile more hostile environment or whatever

02:26:12.940 because like as a sex worker especially like with brian's personal views so you're saying that the

02:26:16.440 minority here is the majority and what mary is saying is that the exception doesn't make the rules

02:26:20.760 so that's i'm saying i just think it's i just think it's hypocritical for you to say that you don't

02:26:25.180 really support like you think that feminism is toxic but i'm saying that like feminism is the thing

02:26:29.640 that's kind of enabled you to have feminism ruins its relationship literally so like we didn't say

02:26:36.300 that we're supporting yet one second jesse would you rather just be able to stay at home and raise

02:26:41.200 kids and not really have to make money by doing this or would you rather do this and have the kids

02:26:46.740 and the home life what would you prefer um having uh marriage and children is absolutely my ultimate

02:26:54.740 goal in life and what i will prioritize and i will never prioritize my career over that so if there

02:27:01.100 is a way to do a career on the side that does not hurt my ability to take care of my kids and pay

02:27:10.860 attention to the quality of my marriage then sure i'll do that so i think the goal of feminism was to

02:27:17.460 make it so that women could do what she's doing but what happened with feminism is it made it so that

02:27:22.560 women have to make money women have to be in the workforce now before feminism it was they could

02:27:29.760 stay at home and you could live off of one income but now women have to work and women are also being

02:27:35.760 pushed to work and so it's like they're not being presented with the possibility of there was like

02:27:41.560 never a point and like american society at the very least where like there was women were completely

02:27:47.780 left out of the workforce like even in like world war ii like women stepped up to like be in

02:27:52.420 but you said there used to be a time where like women would stay at home and child rear and then

02:27:56.520 their husband would go off and do that well you were making it sound like it was the majority of

02:28:00.920 women there was never a time where like there weren't working class women who were raising families

02:28:04.540 and also holding jobs let her talk i do think that you know what i'm beginning to understand about

02:28:10.660 feminims there's degrees of it and and and i think that certain degrees of it okay and then when you

02:28:15.180 know the thermometer goes up way too hot it's like it's very inspiring to see ladies you know like you and

02:28:21.440 and and like you um be able to um be able to you know how i said like like for people who feel

02:28:27.700 voiceless women who feel voiceless in that it's very inspiring to hear from you guys and be like no

02:28:32.900 they're saying that there's a fault here in feminism it's not it's not just all feminism in general there's

02:28:37.660 a fault in certain you know if you go too far you need you tell them they went too far and and and i like

02:28:43.660 that as a woman because it's like okay i'm not crazy because i'm always told as being how i am

02:28:49.820 you're crazy just shut up you know just and and and hearing that from you guys like okay i'm not

02:28:54.820 crazy like there's a there's a thermometer of feminism stop the cow okay maybe a little crazy

02:29:01.360 just a little bit all right let me let me move things on we have conan 19 here hot take brian

02:29:07.300 athletics like football while risk of injury have positive less life lessons to take from it like

02:29:12.400 discipline work ethics how to work as a team how to be a leader absolutely important life lessons can

02:29:17.480 be taken from team sports not sex work that is a fair point that is a fair point um so thank you

02:29:24.580 man appreciate it uh joseph posnecker hey thank you man i really appreciate the support it seems obvious

02:29:29.300 to me that mary genuinely cares not only broadly but personally about the individuals alcohol is legal

02:29:35.540 but we can all be concerned for alcoholism and try to help them sex is legal but when it's disordered

02:29:41.300 the consequences are very sad do you have a quick response to this mary or i mean i i totally agree

02:29:48.920 um you can't just like tell me that i don't care like it's a matter of my conscience so okay yeah i'm

02:29:57.720 telling you that i do care about what affects your lifestyle has on you personally and spiritually we

02:30:03.360 have nickelodeon the ultimate irony is you women think we care about your opinions not my words

02:30:09.360 nickelodeon he's paying and watching he's very that's that's that's some toxic masculinity right

02:30:14.860 there nickelodeon uh all right we have conan 19 thank you the thing about the 30 foe it's got

02:30:21.960 lifeless eyes black eyes like a doll's eyes when it comes at you it doesn't seem to be living until she

02:30:28.740 bites you and those black eyes roll over white is this a song or a poem is this a soliloquy

02:30:37.040 his rap can you conan 19 you need to send us a haiku can you rephrase this in a haiku so i can

02:30:43.700 better understand it all right we have stagner there must be a set of moral values in place that

02:30:49.200 the majority can agree on for society to function and grow question for everyone is respecting

02:30:53.340 normalizing sex work good or bad for society and why didn't we kind of address this a little bit

02:31:00.100 well okay is how about is normalizing sex work good or bad for society okay um so you were saying

02:31:11.480 you were like sex work isn't hurting anyone i disagree and that's why i'm on this podcast is

02:31:16.820 to talk about why i disagree that it's not hurting anyone because in the beginning when we were getting

02:31:21.000 into what you expect from a man you said he he's a leader he's stable you basically listed masculine

02:31:28.340 traits and what sex work is doing is it's creating feminine men and when you create feminine men you

02:31:34.280 create masculine women and it's all be and the more we the bigger we make sex work and the more we praise

02:31:40.840 it the more that happens the more you have masculine women and feminine men and that ruins society another

02:31:46.940 thing that ruins society is making sex normal you might disagree you might think normalizing sex is a

02:31:53.740 good thing but what did he say he was like sex is good i think he means sex work yeah sex is good in like

02:32:01.100 certain circumstances one of the comments said something that i completely agreed with but that's the

02:32:06.960 reason i'm on here to tell people how to live is because i think sex work is damaging and so i mean he was

02:32:14.680 saying what are you gonna do put people in jail no i'm gonna come on a podcast and share my opinion as to why i think

02:32:20.140 it's damaging because i hope that it comes to an end or at least slows down so that's why i'm on here

02:32:26.580 telling people how to live their life is because my belief is that it's damaging your belief is that

02:32:31.500 it's good and so you're doing the same thing i am you're explaining why it's good on a podcast and so

02:32:35.960 you can't shoot me down for doing the same thing that you're doing i think we're not shooting i'm not

02:32:40.420 shooting you down you told me why are you telling people how to live their life and i explained why i'm

02:32:45.220 telling people how to live their life because i genuinely think sex work and glamorizing sex work

02:32:52.300 has consequences it's a bad thing it's a bad thing to allow your kids to do without um trying to guide

02:33:00.100 them into a different direction it's it's just not a good thing to be glamorizing and there's

02:33:05.120 statistics behind it it's the whole reason we're on this podcast i don't know that she was glamorizing

02:33:09.920 and i thought you were just talking about your workplace i'm not talking about she's glamorizing

02:33:13.520 coming for you for it i'm just saying like i just answered your question i never got around

02:33:18.540 to answering your question as to why i'm telling people how to live their life so now it's me

02:33:22.220 answering it i know and i'm still just gonna say right now that mike please i i'm still gonna say

02:33:28.000 right now that i don't care what your opinion is on my life so why are you here that's it when someone

02:33:33.600 says that they're happy doing whatever they're doing we don't always take them at their word for it

02:33:40.280 if someone is living in a crack den wasting away and they say whatever i'm happy doing this stop

02:33:47.260 telling me what to do we don't always take them at their word and if you are insisting that you are

02:33:53.400 happy and fulfilled doing sex work what i'm telling you is i i disagree i don't think that it's possible

02:34:00.060 to flourish when i'm about to buy a house i bought in a money is not i've been investing my money you

02:34:08.020 have material things i don't have material things i have a lot of things that you listed material

02:34:12.980 things having an apartment buying a motorhome this is all things that these are material things

02:34:18.980 financial stability i'm talking about financial stability it's giving me the financial freedom you

02:34:24.740 guys keep interrupting me it's given me the financial freedom to live my life how i want to

02:34:29.700 live my life okay we're telling you there are other ways that you could have reached the same goal

02:34:35.140 without compromising your dignity i like doing what i do for my work i like connecting with clients

02:34:42.900 you know you can do that without a real connection any real connection is not any real connection between

02:34:49.700 two human beings is not a transaction and that's you guys and that's your opinions but what i do for

02:34:54.660 work i like doing what i do for work okay listen every day so happy i wake up every day so happy

02:35:00.020 being able to connect with these people yeah okay we get it but if you could clients your clients okay

02:35:05.620 you say you like to connect with clients is the sex part really necessary because like i see like

02:35:11.060 we're not a lot of guys come in here and pay for sex guys pay for intimacy cuddling all types of things

02:35:17.140 yeah guys will come in pay us for nice meals and take us out to nice places okay but couldn't you

02:35:21.460 just like serve them nice meals and just leave it to that like because this is a little guys are

02:35:26.020 very like you know people skills and they're like charismatic and everything into the ranches looking for

02:35:31.380 just sex yeah they're paying for a an imitation of a real relationship if they want to do that

02:35:39.540 let them do that though but i think that you could make the same kind of money a real deal

02:35:43.620 because i'm not gonna make no because there's nothing else in the world that i'd rather be

02:35:46.580 doing then exactly she's happy i'm happy i'm content why why okay so and isn't it isn't it

02:35:52.180 like beating a dead horse it's like how are you going to tell me what to do with my life what am i

02:35:56.900 going to possibly do that's going to be so much more fun for me turn around she likes how am i going to

02:36:01.220 like there's nothing for me i'll get it dang naked hold on here okay well look uh it is always in

02:36:08.580 person's best interest to lie about them feeling good about the things they do and the life they live

02:36:12.580 there's a reason why so many blank actresses regret everything and blame everyone around them for

02:36:17.780 grooming them into it word thank you dank naked thank you word we have g slang here lauren you seem

02:36:27.220 like the ultimate giver and nurturer the perfect wife mother then you then you the dick trade then

02:36:34.900 you're in the dick trade i wish i found you first is that what it's called the dick trade i kind of like

02:36:39.780 that term i guess so the dick trade she's in the i mean he gave you a compliment thank you

02:36:46.100 she's a dick smith thank you wait no that's a candid compliment a guy has to be a dick yeah

02:36:51.940 only men can be guns and roses unless it's a woman with it we don't we don't talk about that though

02:36:58.180 what would a uh a

02:37:04.020 a pussy profiteer there you have it you are a pussy profiteer and a pioneer oh i guess i

02:37:11.140 profit i think we're making a huge assumption that you guys don't ever like entertain any like

02:37:15.380 couples but i imagine couples come yes the bunny ranch all the time oh yeah all the time we get

02:37:19.380 a couple of parties all the time that are married haram and it's yeah i mean what do you think of that

02:37:26.180 ryan like do you think those like the women in those relationships or like and the men in those

02:37:30.660 marriages that are like interested in going to like the bunny ranch and these like legalized brothels to

02:37:35.460 like pay for a good time do you see that as like problematic or negative a couple going to a brothel

02:37:43.300 or to a strip club together as a couple me personally i i can't put myself in their shoes i don't see why a

02:37:49.700 couple would would you like shame a man and like a woman like a couple together for like doing that

02:37:56.740 do you think that they are like lowering their dignity or or somehow like you know showing like

02:38:02.260 they have a low moral character by just going to a strip club as a couple i don't know about their

02:38:05.700 moral character but i i don't see why in would you question their values i guess well like ryan doesn't

02:38:11.220 have time for that okay like no it was a question yeah i can answer yeah no but to judge people on

02:38:20.740 the side that's what i mean it's just like it doesn't go like about it they're like oh i wonder

02:38:24.180 like i mean he was he was saying earlier men should be like sex workers so they're essentially in an

02:38:28.660 open relationship then no no i don't think couples who have a three-set that doesn't mean they're

02:38:34.020 getting experimental if you're other people you are by definition in a i'll say non-monogamous

02:38:40.260 relationship sure but they're not in a relationship with the sex workers some are coming to learn

02:38:44.100 tantra well they're they're not monogamous i guess you could say i mean yeah i just to me it's like

02:38:49.380 what i don't i don't know in what realm i would ever be compelled if i have a a wife or a girlfriend

02:38:56.820 to introduce a prostitute into the equation so i just not it doesn't even i don't i don't think

02:39:02.020 these people are being compelled to go to the bunny ranch i think they do it because they just want to

02:39:05.620 just a fun i mean i've been to the strip club forcing these couples watch the new season of

02:39:11.220 black mirror or some shit if you want to have fun go watch netflix go watch a movie

02:39:14.900 really anything go to a theme park if i'm trying to have fun hold on hold on stop stop one at a

02:39:22.660 time if i'm trying to have fun like the the it's very low on the totem pole of hey honey let's go

02:39:28.420 fuck a prostitute that to me like there's a lot more other fun things brian's gonna take his wife

02:39:33.780 to like disney world and then like build a bear that wasn't wrong with that nothing there's

02:39:37.300 nothing wrong with it but you know what's more fun it's funny to me you can't fathom that like

02:39:40.260 some couples like that i would rather install a uh above ground pool then do that then go to a

02:39:47.780 strip club like that's about me that's more fun like an above ground pool like that's kind of uh

02:39:54.420 is it class i don't know why about that they love coming to us as couples and yeah

02:39:57.780 yeah some couples aquarium if you guys speak speak in the mic please but uh look i i get i

02:40:04.980 don't a lot of aren't anniversaries it seems like valentine just just very that's fine if they want

02:40:10.260 to i'm seeing the ick in real time at the idea of like a couple like voluntarily going to a strip

02:40:15.540 club together just have fun oh a strip club well now you're changing i said strip club and bunny ranch

02:40:20.180 yeah or like a brothel together for i don't know why you would go to a strip club as a guy like

02:40:24.900 like it's gonna with your wife i mean i've done that though i've been the women like their

02:40:30.660 girlfriends are the ones who want them to go to the club because they like to see their boyfriend

02:40:34.180 get a dance from like a sexy i've been to a strip club one time and i deeply regret i mean it's not

02:40:40.020 i don't regret it we had a bachelor party or what no i just went like it's just like you know you go as

02:40:44.900 a i was my friend brought me or something he's like let's go to the strip club i was like okay i've never

02:40:48.660 gone i mean it's it's kind of fucking lame like you weren't you're bored yeah it's

02:40:54.740 they didn't do did they do any tricks if they were if they were doing tricks then i understand

02:40:57.780 like i mean they were doing the dances right like it's uh did you actually get a dance or no no i

02:41:03.540 didn't get a dance it's embarrassing like you're paying women to pretend they like you yeah is that

02:41:08.900 like these no you guys could probably agree because when he was like when i don't yeah dave he asked you

02:41:15.060 he was like you have the power because they're paying you you agree right the power is in your hands

02:41:20.500 and then you explain the relationship that you'd want you'd want him to lead so it's it's pathetic

02:41:26.340 it's pathetic to go to a strip club and and pay writing like a fantasy you know what i mean do

02:41:32.580 they see you as a human being or as a sex toy oh my god hold on i feel like we've lingered

02:41:37.780 we have lingered way too long on sex work bad let's really quick i wanted to hear what your

02:41:46.420 story was like way back before what story oh i think i forgot i'm saying like i don't see you

02:41:51.620 that way your clients do okay you guys can no you can't speak for all my clients you don't know my

02:41:56.180 clients you guys can you can't speak for yo hold up hold up pull it up make pull it up yo x5 podcast

02:42:02.420 thank you so much for the 500 soup chat dude thank you so much man uh by the way we're gonna

02:42:07.380 have uh well i think we're gonna have the those guys on but can't hate on the oldest profession in

02:42:13.220 the world get your money and live your life people that judge are envious and poor and insecure you

02:42:17.540 sure you want to come on the podcast because i'm going to challenge this shit period

02:42:22.740 you know what the oldest profession is motherhood it is not prostitution

02:42:26.660 cooking based mary okay uh thank thank you very much x5 podcast hold on brian my last

02:42:34.260 super chat was a quote from jaws robert jaws quint you now have to say the line i don't know his

02:42:39.620 accent was a british accent i don't know um this one are you did you replace shark with 30 foe

02:42:49.460 i think i think i think it's shark should i play the jaws theme i don't know okay we have mr k

02:42:56.660 why no oh okay we need to add this uh we'll get it added thank you mr k for pointing that out

02:43:02.340 uh okay we have grid one here now now erin actually erin can you read it now now erin feminist feminism

02:43:09.300 has eroded the best of feminine qualities by forcing them into roles they are ill-suited for and really do

02:43:13.860 not enjoy sure my grandmother helped build bombers in world war ii but she only did that because the men

02:43:19.220 were off dying wow got it there you have it wow and there's been no women in that sector ever

02:43:26.420 since it's so true in in manufacturing yeah i mean he was saying the only reason why his

02:43:32.500 grandmother did it world war ii was because the men were off dying but then like women never left

02:43:37.140 manufacturing after that do you but i mean in modern day do you think that women are in in those more

02:43:43.780 physically laborious laborious jobs do you think women are like overwhelmingly construction workers

02:43:48.580 physical labor is probably going to be running yeah okay uh all right let me and that sucks for

02:43:53.140 them too like all of those jobs are like back breaking oh yeah guys go to twitch.tv slash

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02:44:22.900 have one thank you guys which video the bowing one are we gonna what was that what was the other one

02:44:32.260 oh we'll do it later it's it's um okay so some of you guys provided some pre-show notes here for us um

02:44:41.460 um let's see oh okay all right loose energy donated 99 lpe what's up to based josey lfg feminism

02:44:53.300 fucked everything up fuck feminism slash 304 s and fuck that super cap of four eyes also why does ghost

02:45:02.180 girl look like she just got off her shift cooking at hibachi restaurant she looks like past the popcorn

02:45:08.340 hashtag free number eight it looks like you just got off your shift at benihana what is that typically

02:45:15.780 the at benihana or like other hibachi restaurants they typically wear like all black you have like

02:45:21.620 the what like it looks like a restaurant like a more upscale it's like see that's a very like unique

02:45:28.900 roast that was like a weird asshole that's kind of a compliment though like the girls who work there

02:45:34.340 are like really pretty are they yeah i mean he's saying he's trying to say but she looks like a

02:45:40.500 waitress and just got off the shift yeah he was trying to say are they though he's just after your

02:45:44.900 horse and then what does he want her boobs out like i don't know what i don't know i just feel like

02:45:48.020 they're always like well put together she doesn't seem to be offended okay it's definitely a back

02:45:52.900 hand i think i look good yeah you look great would you ever be a chef at a benihana hibachi no

02:45:59.700 like i mean you're cooking like one i don't know but thank you all right so we have some pre-show

02:46:07.460 notes provided here let's see we have lexi you said you were charged with two felonies yeah yeah

02:46:16.020 you did three years yeah i did like two years and a half in prison or jail i did i went to prison

02:46:22.180 oh damn yeah i was um 17 got out when i was like 19 almost 20. adult prison yeah not juvie yeah i

02:46:29.940 didn't get you know charged as a juvenile so i went straight to prison and it was it was horrible so

02:46:35.860 what was 17. what was the uh the crime uh misconduct of a weapon in the first degree and then

02:46:42.820 misconduct a weapon in the second degree out of a moving vehicle out of a moving like out of a

02:46:48.180 moving vehicle it was a drive-by shooting yeah i guess you can explain it like that yeah

02:46:54.420 i was young i was dumb okay everybody makes mistakes in their human life you know um but

02:47:00.100 me in that two to three years span being in prison i've learned a lot about women and being around

02:47:06.100 women and like stuff like that and just how society is nowadays and how people like me being

02:47:12.180 a felon is hard to get a job and like hard to do things and you know just have a different

02:47:17.860 perspective when it comes to the world like i'm not gonna lie like when you you girls were saying

02:47:22.020 that you guys have a hard time with her and how she lives her life because of how society is nowadays

02:47:29.140 in my opinion she's her own person i am my own person she can do whatever she wants to do

02:47:34.420 if my significant other or if i feel insecure about what she's going that's like that's like

02:47:40.820 an inner thing like i don't care about like yeah like you have to communicate that with your partner

02:47:45.940 you know like i'm not gonna can you give examples of what you learned about women

02:47:50.900 when you were in prison did you date while you're in prison no no but i've seen a lot of sexual

02:47:57.700 activities when it came to women i've walked into women you know scissoring in the bathroom and

02:48:01.940 making out in front of me yeah i've seen a lot of that you know so so brian no no to the strip club

02:48:10.100 but yes to like fantasizing about like women hooking up in prison wasn't there a show like

02:48:15.620 a tv show where did that come from she was like oh i kind of in a very monotone way i just said

02:48:22.900 dope okay so is that is that all you learned in prison or are you going to give us other examples

02:48:29.060 um just just how women think in the different point of views on how women are nowadays like i've met sex

02:48:35.140 workers in there i've met pimps in there i've met women that have beat the out of men before i've

02:48:41.140 met women that were like very feminine and like they were like you know up there with their like

02:48:46.980 a man should be you know like were you were you dating a guy on the outside while you were on the

02:48:52.660 inside i was for a little bit and we had actually um split apart during that time because he thought i

02:48:58.660 was actually facing like five to ten years because i was and then um because i was so young they

02:49:04.580 decided to to not do that i was on pre-trial for a long time so when you're on pre-trial you're

02:49:09.620 actually spending the state's money so the state doesn't like that i did that for like two and a

02:49:14.260 half years so it's like pre-trial pre-trial i'm spending money and they're like this girl is so young

02:49:18.980 and i had i wrote a letter every single like month to the judge telling him like hey i made this mistake

02:49:24.900 like like i don't want to spend the next 10 years to five wait what can you remind me what what was

02:49:30.260 the charge again it was discharge of a firearm from a moving vehicle was that it yeah did you hit

02:49:35.540 somebody or no i did sam donated 99 these women on the panel have bastardized individualism

02:49:43.220 you can't have individualism without accepting personal accountability if you want to do of then

02:49:49.220 you must accept that marriageable men will disqualify you from relationships who says i

02:49:55.220 want to get married to a man you want to get married to a porpoise what you said yes today when

02:50:03.300 he said like it should be like yeah but who said it would be with a man though all right so you go

02:50:09.940 both ways yeah oh so but like it might disqualify you from women too i don't think so you you think

02:50:17.700 there's no women that would have an issue by women that have an issue with your past work

02:50:22.340 i think i mean the girls it's probably less likely it's maybe a little less but i feel like a lot of

02:50:27.380 people men and women ladies hit my line um what no i think the fact that she's into women makes her

02:50:35.540 the exception to the rule but the exception still doesn't make the rule

02:50:38.740 mike davis donated 100 oh yo brian myron gains blue so i already addressed it

02:50:47.140 you're in it for the money and games really about this life are you gonna be true to form

02:50:51.540 and take it like a beta male oh yeah turn some smoke i mean i i kind of already addressed it um

02:50:59.220 i spent way too long on it on the last episode you for standing up by yourself we were really proud

02:51:04.580 of you for that oh yeah thanks i mean i don't really like engaging in like any beef or drama

02:51:12.420 i try to avoid it so i mean i responded i don't think i was overly aggressive with it i just stated

02:51:19.860 my views i said i was going to do a more thorough response because i mean i just heard

02:51:23.860 like it was the day before the show that i heard the him kind of talking trash or whatever

02:51:30.980 so i didn't really properly formulate my response to it but um i spent a solid 20 minutes on the

02:51:39.620 previous show talking about it so uh not going to really talk about it tonight i don't would you ever

02:51:44.660 debate myron on like the disagreements that mean a boxing match sure or like any any other like

02:51:50.980 topics like i'm taller than me he has more reach he's like i'm kidding it's fine no i wouldn't i

02:51:58.100 no i don't okay what was the question sorry oh just if you'd ever like the boxing thing derailed it

02:52:04.740 no i was gonna say like would you ever debate myron on anything yeah sure i disagree with him on stuff

02:52:09.540 and i mean i certainly disagree with him on kind of the recent drama between me and it's not even

02:52:15.860 drama it's just like people were asking him he responded but anyways look where i'm not going to get

02:52:20.660 into it if you you can see my previous response maybe i'll i'll address it more thoroughly in a

02:52:25.220 future episode but i can't i i that's mike davis by the way i'm not gonna i'm not gonna get more

02:52:30.980 into it on tonight's show um but good to see you in the chat mike davis thank you very much appreciate

02:52:35.700 it so uh where were we uh i forgot what what were we on i forgot you were surprised that like women

02:52:45.460 would like still date her or whatever even though i'm not surprised that there are women who would

02:52:51.700 date her that's or men that would date you what i what i'm what i've always been trying to say is

02:52:57.060 for the majority of people what i would say whether they're man or what woman man or women uh

02:53:03.620 most people don't want to date someone who's a prostitute well i would date somebody like that

02:53:08.580 so i'm saying i think you're missing like i think you're just not trying to listen to what i'm saying

02:53:12.420 i'm not saying that there's zero people that like there's people that would date you that's

02:53:19.300 not what i'm saying i'm saying for the majority of people the majority of people don't want to date

02:53:23.620 a prostitute i heard that do you disagree with that it seems like you want to push back and say no i

02:53:28.580 said yes 99 of people want to disagree like three or four times okay within the span of when you asked

02:53:35.540 me the first time okay but i'm saying now like if a girl is doing only fans or is an uh a legal escort

02:53:43.300 at the bunny ranch or whatever and i'm into her or whatever we could be dating and then a girl who

02:53:49.780 comes to visit you at no i'm saying a co-worker like a a person i work with i'm saying uh an individual

02:53:58.980 that has that does only only fans i'm saying i'm say i meet a girl that only does only fans would she date

02:54:05.620 you is that and we date hit it off yeah we hit it off yeah we could get married that's what i'm saying

02:54:12.660 like that'd be perfect for me i don't disagree with your statement at all but i don't disagree

02:54:18.020 with your statement at all that man around like all men around don't what's that you're just saying

02:54:22.260 you don't do escort or sex work you know you're just saying you don't think it's common like

02:54:26.900 most women wouldn't be cool with it i think most women and most what most men would prefer to not

02:54:31.860 date someone who's been involved if you're talking about like a queer woman i actually think she

02:54:36.020 wouldn't care if she was a an escort with mostly male clients she might be jealous or not like if

02:54:41.220 you were like servicing other women but the thing is is that i would be dating another i would be dating

02:54:46.260 another sex worker what does sexuality have to do with political affiliation because we know what

02:54:50.660 progressive think about that okay like that's really not like being okay with gay people or what do

02:54:55.780 you mean no that's not i didn't say gay people well what do you mean by that i know i know the road

02:55:00.740 you're going and i'm asking what you what do you just ask what you meant i don't know what you mean

02:55:05.380 sorry repeat that i said you you were saying like we know what progressives think and i was like i was

02:55:09.780 just making a comment about sexuality pushing for we know what they're pushing for they're pushing

02:55:13.940 for the normalization of sex work that's what you guys are trying to do right now so you say yeah

02:55:19.300 a queer person or somebody that's like more progressive yeah that's like the same people

02:55:24.980 yeah go for it go with a progressive person if you want to but most men in general aren't okay

02:55:33.540 dating a sex worker that is not an opinion it's a fact oh it's an opinion i feel like no it's not

02:55:39.860 an opinion oh you feel like i feel like it's an opinion but it's an opinion and you feel like it's

02:55:44.500 a fact so no there is no and we can agree to disagree do you know what a fact is yeah okay define

02:55:52.660 what a fact is then how are you getting facts from that it's yeah pull up the facts then real quick

02:56:00.500 i don't think i don't know if they don't know exactly because you can't say that it's a fact if you

02:56:06.580 don't have the backup and also i wanted to add no i don't need a study to be done and look up into

02:56:11.940 the sky and know that the sky is blue it's just yes but you're talking about somebody that isn't

02:56:17.460 going to be with a sex worker how are you going to tell two different men if they're going to be

02:56:21.460 with a sex worker or not that's not up to you to decide or for you to even assume that they

02:56:26.660 wouldn't pick sex workers i think it's pretty easy to make the assumption that most people would not

02:56:30.740 want to date a prostitute and that's a good preference that have are have what small minds

02:56:37.700 like you how's it small-minded because it's like how is that not small-minded to go and sell your

02:56:43.220 body in a bro that's how you feel and that's how you think and not everybody's gonna think that way

02:56:48.580 people that are with their uh relation are in a relationship and they both do things like that

02:56:52.820 together oh you guys you guys are like stop stop you guys are missing the point i've repeatedly said

02:57:03.460 over and over again i'm not saying that it will be impossible for you to find a person to date you

02:57:10.340 i'm not saying that every single person on the planet would not date a prostitute i am saying most

02:57:17.060 so when i'm saying most i'm saying more than 50 it could be 51 it may very well be that 49 of

02:57:25.300 people would date you what i'm saying is most so at bare minimum 51 i would say the majority of people

02:57:32.740 would not date a prostitute can i and i would say it's 50 50 but do you think really quick you would

02:57:36.900 say it's 50 exactly 50 50 exactly i would say it's 50 50 and that is my opinion right can i say something

02:57:43.540 go ahead i think a lot of people would say that they wouldn't but if they made that connection

02:57:50.820 they would i mean i think it it go ahead go ahead go ahead go ahead no you can say what you gotta

02:57:56.900 say finish your statement finish your statement go ahead i want to play off with what you're gonna say

02:58:02.020 so i want no finish your you were in the middle go ahead i lost my train of thought now because you

02:58:07.860 were saying that if the connection was there then yeah i think i think it would play a role

02:58:15.220 that still doesn't make the majority nor the 50 percent that i mean i'm not saying that i don't

02:58:21.460 know i don't know any statistics i don't know that but i'm saying i think if you did a study i think

02:58:29.140 more people would say that they wouldn't then here would can you just admit that stop stop stop stop

02:58:34.180 stop stop i have a clarifying question that might let's see how tall is your boyfriend

02:58:41.540 six two how tall are you five seven you're five seven he's six two would you date a guy who's

02:58:47.540 shorter than you i would you would i would really if the connection was there i would that's such cab

02:58:52.580 okay it's not wait do you think how are you gonna tell i think i think there needs to be

02:58:57.940 like of course we can say like if the connection is i don't even know what that really means

02:59:05.700 like most most people are not going to give a person a chance for a supposed connection to even

02:59:16.660 develop because the primary thing people are going to screen on is just is there just a base level of

02:59:22.180 physical attraction that's the first step then then a connection can can develop however it's

02:59:29.620 unless you're like withholding the fact that you guys are prostitutes and playing these dudes

02:59:34.900 and waiting until months into the months into the relationship before revealing you're a prostitute

02:59:40.660 if you're up front with the fact you're that you're a prostitute and you should with romantic

02:59:45.300 partners there's not going to be the ability for a connection to develop because most men's standard

02:59:51.300 is to not date a prostitute okay but you're a you seem like a very pleasant person however you're

02:59:56.820 a prostitute that's an immediate no-go otherwise i think you're an attractive girl and you have

03:00:01.700 a very pleasant personality but because you're involved in sex work it's an immediate disqualifier

03:00:07.060 it's a deal breaker there's no scenario even though you're you seem like honestly you're one of the

03:00:12.260 most pleasant women we've ever had on the show you're an attractive girl i just wouldn't and i'm not

03:00:18.100 saying this to be mean or anything i wouldn't date you because of the work that you're involved with

03:00:23.380 and that's the end of the story in the same way that there's plenty of women who don't want to

03:00:27.860 date me because i've got this ridiculous podcast and i'm out there on the internet i don't i don't

03:00:33.940 object to women not wanting to date me because i'm out there and i have you know maybe controversial

03:00:40.980 opinions i think that's fine but i'm not going to say it's a better preference for people to

03:00:46.100 immediately disqualify somebody from dating them just because they do sex work do you think that's

03:00:50.900 a good thing there's a lot of there's a lot of fish in the pool and yes i think you in the same

03:00:55.220 way that women disqualify men very quickly for a myriad of reasons yes sex work is a perfectly valid

03:01:02.580 immediate disqualifier yeah i'm not i'm not saying whether or not people are empowered to do that

03:01:06.820 obviously you can do that but i'm asking like would you say that people ought to be doing that they ought to

03:01:11.380 be doing that if if i were to give if i were to advise men if i were to advise my audience who are

03:01:17.220 watching if i were to advise my son if i were to advise my male friends or just men in general yes i

03:01:23.140 would strongly recommend not dating prostitutes like it's crazy common sense here i just was trying to

03:01:31.060 see what i told you nothing i have given you all the ammunition you need to shoot down anyone who

03:01:36.580 says sex work or high body counts are okay and why most people would reject someone who lives that life

03:01:43.380 educate them on their genital herpes just because i think they're saying like they know most people

03:01:49.300 probably wouldn't but they wouldn't want to date the people who would disqualify them on that basis

03:01:53.220 anyway and they'd keep looking no sorry what could you repeat that sorry i was reading the chat it's

03:01:58.660 okay i just think that all they were saying is that it's fine for it's valid for people to have

03:02:02.660 those preferences but they're not interested in dating people with those preferences that's totally

03:02:06.580 fine yeah but that's totally fine but that's not what he was saying small-minded well what he was

03:02:11.540 saying is just that most people wouldn't yeah which they're probably right but like what you were

03:02:18.260 saying is that if they if they got to know a sex worker like they might go in with that bias but then

03:02:22.660 if they actually had the opportunity to for whatever reason to get to know a sex worker they could fall for

03:02:27.460 one i agree with you i think it's possible that infatuation would last what like three months

03:02:32.340 before their objection to a prostitute's work would become i don't think they would act on it i think

03:02:37.860 they would like oh i'm in love with the stripper but it doesn't change the fact that like i don't see

03:02:42.180 this as compatible with my maybe i don't see this as compatible with my life or whatever so i'm not

03:02:46.580 going to date her but that's different than like like we're all confusing the word connection with

03:02:50.820 infatuation a guy can be infatuated with a woman who does sex work for a while but does that last

03:02:58.660 into a real relationship that will end in marriage no like their objection to her line of work will

03:03:05.620 eventually end that relationship do you guys know anyone at the bunny ranch who is like a sex worker

03:03:10.340 at the money ranch and married yes there's plenty of women that are married at but we just can't do

03:03:14.980 do you think they're in like unhappy marriages about men who are already uncomfortable with

03:03:20.100 dating women in that line of work then they just should even if they end up turn your phone over

03:03:24.980 she's saying they're not small-minded because she called those men small-minded and they're not

03:03:28.500 and she's oh i mean your preference is your preference but just if you're if you don't want to then just

03:03:33.940 don't what we're saying is that most men would not and you guys are willing to admit that i was

03:03:38.500 speaking i don't know we were injecting nuance into it because you're talking about like i think

03:03:44.580 we're just injecting nuance into it because you're talking about a descriptive claim right observations

03:03:48.660 about the world it's probably true that most people don't want to date a sex worker i agree with you

03:03:53.860 okay thank you i we never disagreed with that yeah what i'm saying is that it's possible there's

03:03:58.820 other variables that you're not considering that could change that and what people what the preferences

03:04:03.540 that people express are different than their actions and i'm saying that i think that there's

03:04:08.020 plenty of people even though they say that would immediately disqualify it i think there's more

03:04:11.940 people than you guys are willing to admit that would change their mind if they actually met a sex

03:04:15.780 worker that they happen to be connected with the main question we were starting from here is that we

03:04:20.820 would okay we're looping we're looping okay like we completely derailed but that was the main question

03:04:26.580 that's fine all right so um lexi you have a crazy dating story um you have a few you said you were in a

03:04:34.420 toxic relationship for about a year and a half and your ex did what to you yeah my my ex um

03:04:43.220 i try to leave him uh this is after i had gotten out of prison of course um i got into a very very toxic

03:04:49.780 abusive relationship he smashed my car windows and slashed my tires whoa yeah and then he was beating me a lot

03:05:00.900 when the day that i had actually moved out of my sister's house i meant not my sister's house his

03:05:05.780 house moved into my sister's um he came over and he was like she was beating my ass yeah so in defense

03:05:13.460 of that uh he already knows that i've said i've i stabbed him like yeah so i had to take action and

03:05:20.740 so yeah that's just did you catch catch some time for that one or no i did not no i did not was it

03:05:27.460 yeah yeah it was self-defense you know we didn't call the cops or anything but i he ended up in the

03:05:31.540 hospital we didn't say anything we kind of just like you know that fell i'm sorry he fell i know

03:05:38.740 it's okay can i ask what initially attracted you to him he was a really close friend of mine growing

03:05:45.060 up we were actually um we grew up in the same neighborhood so i guess over time you know as you

03:05:50.740 grow and you get older people change so did you ever see red flags in him no i did not it was

03:05:57.140 later on throughout um the relationship when i started to see the red flags he was actually

03:06:01.540 doing drugs is when i found out when um everything started going downhill he was doing um cocaine so

03:06:09.540 was that the case the whole time or you just found out about it later or he started i think

03:06:14.900 he started doing it like uh while we were in the relationship like i think he got off and he was sober

03:06:20.740 i guess and then uh we met and everything was good and then he started back on doing it again

03:06:25.940 that's when things started going downhill like i said so i wasn't attractive to his toxicness you

03:06:31.780 know like it just that's what it fell into like people have great relationships in the beginning

03:06:37.700 and then later on it gets really abusive you know yeah that's how like in the beginning you go through

03:06:42.420 the honeymoon stage and then you're not happy it's shit like that happens and that's just life in

03:06:48.180 general yeah i don't think women go out of their way to date abusers i think what you're saying

03:06:51.780 yeah and then also on top of that it's hard to get out of toxic and then that's when you realize

03:06:56.340 like oh shit i'm in a relationship with somebody who's abusing me and then you've been taught to

03:06:59.860 subvert and yeah and a lot of women um stay in those toxic relationships it took me a very long

03:07:05.060 time to get out of that relationship i actually had to leave state i moved to texas because it was

03:07:10.900 like from him yeah after that um that had happened it was like okay i need to leave out of state and

03:07:16.900 yeah i think the stat is that like women go back to a lot of women that are in abusive relationships

03:07:21.700 figures that out sooner or later like you you gotta do what you have to do i know you love and care

03:07:27.460 about that person and you might the toxicity of like a relationship like when you think of blue

03:07:32.580 face and like krishan i guess you know like they were so in love and stuff like that but they're hella

03:07:36.580 toxic for each other you know and then they had their kid and they just don't think that was love

03:07:41.780 i mean to krishan it was love you know yeah it was business yeah yeah but exactly also i just wanted

03:07:49.940 to point out i i know you brought up i know we this is from way back earlier in the conversation i

03:07:55.220 know you brought up your dad and i wasn't trying to make the point that i thought he was weak because

03:08:01.620 maybe i thought you what i was saying trying to say those i was surprised that it sounded like you you

03:08:07.540 said that your dad was supportive of your sister engaging in sex work which to me is surprising in

03:08:14.580 the same way that it's surprising that her parents um i mean i do think your role as a father is to

03:08:21.140 protect yeah your children and i do think i mean your role as a father is to keep your son out of

03:08:28.820 prison and your daughter off the stripper pole so that is you can take that for sex work like i do think

03:08:36.820 men have a duty to try to i mean raise their children so they don't end up becoming either

03:08:42.660 criminals or sex workers yeah i mean i guess i guess i did fall into the category of being a

03:08:50.340 criminal in my family you know i'm the only person that actually went to prison dead time and then my

03:08:54.100 sister you know she does only fans but at the same time my the way i grew up with my father and me

03:08:58.980 being asian and you know him coming from laos after the war and then coming here to america he had to

03:09:04.820 learn certain things and you know certain stuff like that so it's just like he's not judgmental

03:09:09.540 and he taught me not to be judgmental towards other people like if that's your perspective

03:09:13.140 that's what you want to do go ahead and do it i have a sister that's super feminine energy like she

03:09:18.020 doesn't have no man she works at she makes like a hundred thousand dollars a year no no yeah she makes

03:09:24.500 like six figures right and then i have another sister that's a sex worker and i do have a sister that

03:09:29.460 actually is on drugs right now so my whole family is just everywhere and so that's why for me i take

03:09:35.540 in perspective of everybody's life but i can tell that you're such a like genuine kind of kind-hearted

03:09:40.740 person because of the way you were raised i can tell that your parents did a wonderful job raising

03:09:45.940 you and i only grew up with my father i didn't grow up with my mom my mom actually put me in foster

03:09:50.020 home well he did a good job because you know like for you to come out into the real world and not judge

03:09:55.380 others and see them for who they are yeah as long as you're not coming yeah can't do that

03:10:00.660 yeah as long as you're not coming into my world and being you know coming into my home and my house

03:10:04.820 and being like hey i'm gonna fuck with your man like you know like women and i feel like in the sex

03:10:09.860 industry knows how to line their self up when it comes to you know these women over here that you

03:10:16.660 know you guys want to be married and have a man you know all that stuff i feel like in the sex industry

03:10:21.780 they know where that line crosses she's not going to hop into your crib and be like yo i'm trying to

03:10:26.660 look at man no i don't think it's just stop i'm saying just in the perspective at the end of the

03:10:31.460 day at the stop at the end of the day ultimately what even if your father does everything he can at

03:10:39.300 the individual level you can he tries his best you can still get involved in these situations

03:10:46.180 um so i certainly at the individual level you can't fully put the blame on the parents because

03:10:51.220 people can be otherwise good parents and the kids can still end up making mistakes or getting

03:10:55.460 involved in in either crime or sex work but i mean if a daughter goes to her father and says i'm gonna

03:11:03.060 become a sex worker or i'm a sex worker and he doesn't make any effort to discourage that i think

03:11:08.420 that is a failure to protect his daughter from the world and that is a natural instinct that every

03:11:13.540 father should have i think your socioeconomic status is probably going to be more likely to determine

03:11:20.020 whether or not your children are going to be sex workers mike davis donated 100 brian you don't

03:11:27.300 gotta make this whole press conference response to f and def all you gotta say is

03:11:32.500 fuck you capitalist country i'm married to the money so spoken by an expert in the field

03:11:38.820 plus you have an edge with pretty girls so equally as dumb and degenerate uh

03:11:48.340 yeah no i mean uh i feel like i already addressed it but yeah just they're basically uh hypocrites i mean

03:11:57.380 that's that's really all i have to say i mean it is what it is um so i was just saying i don't think

03:12:04.100 it's all about values i think what's going to end up being a more likely thing that determines it

03:12:07.860 is whether or not like what your socioeconomic background is because i don't think most sex

03:12:12.020 workers have gone to college i don't think they have higher education they probably have are less

03:12:15.700 likely to have even graduated high school and that is all stuff that's like associated with people who

03:12:20.740 are of like more limited means yeah is it wealthier you are is it more tempting is it more tempting to

03:12:26.660 turn to crime and to sex work if you are in a financially difficult position i suppose not just

03:12:34.020 that there are plenty but there are plenty of people who are in just as bad or worse financial

03:12:39.940 positions that don't turn to crime and don't turn to sex work well what you just said really flies in

03:12:46.100 the face of this like narrative that sex work is empowering because you're recognizing that in the

03:12:52.340 majority i never said i'm not saying it's your narrative i'm just saying there is a general

03:12:56.980 narrative in the discourse about sex work that it is empowering for the women who do it

03:13:01.380 um but you're recognizing that the majority of the time those sex workers are turning to it out of

03:13:07.620 desperation not because it makes them happy you're the i guess the the phrase like turning to it is

03:13:13.460 like loaded i'm just saying it's like just very neutrally i think it's a lot more likely that if

03:13:17.060 you're raised in an environment like a socioeconomic environment that you have like less money if you're

03:13:21.460 raised in poverty you're probably not going to have higher education that's already going to make

03:13:25.060 you more likely to do it if you have more wealth in your family you're probably going to get an

03:13:29.300 education you're probably going to have a like a white color job that's way you're way less likely

03:13:33.140 to do sex work i think it's going to have way less to do with like the personal values that are

03:13:36.180 instilled like there are examples of it like lawrence fishburn right his daughter is a is a porn star

03:13:42.580 and like he just like i think he disowned her it's very very like yeah based yeah is that what you do

03:13:49.460 if you're if like you got married and your daughter became a porn star against like everything that you

03:13:54.820 told her went against all of your values you're admitting that being a sex worker is going down

03:13:58.820 the wrong path basically she wants to get a clip would you if she was a prostitute if my daughter was

03:14:05.140 a prostitute if your daughter grew up to be a porn star or a prostitute would you know a porn star if

03:14:09.620 your daughter grew up to be a porn star would you would i would yes okay you would disown your

03:14:14.420 brian would you disown your daughter for being a porn star so when we say disown though are we

03:14:18.420 saying like never talk to her again yes he completely shunned her he never he doesn't

03:14:23.940 speak about her like when he's been asked in interviews he's like oh he doesn't even talk

03:14:27.460 about her so i would make a a fuck okay hold on grid one motorsports donated 100 sw and prom is

03:14:36.020 the failure of the family and brings shame prom has hard effects on men and fear relationships

03:14:42.020 and canon does cause royalty and ship problems including divorce stop it get some help you

03:14:48.900 better be a better human yo grid one thank you man appreciate it so to answer your question first

03:14:54.580 off i would make as vigorous an attempt as possible one to raise her correctly so that she would not even

03:15:00.980 consider that as an option if she was considering it i would again make as vigorous and strong a case

03:15:07.380 against it as possible if she got into it i would continue making as vigorous and strong a case for

03:15:13.940 her to stop if she continued then and it was like then yes i would it would be so disappointing to me

03:15:21.860 that i would probably disown my daughter that's crazy that's i would that's crazy to me because if

03:15:26.740 you love that's unconditional love you i don't have kids that's you you're supposed to love them

03:15:31.460 i think you should always be there for them whether if your kids turned to like became had a drug

03:15:35.860 addiction right would you like i don't think it would be right to disown if my that's that's nasty

03:15:40.580 personality it's it would sort of be the same thing i would i would see now how's the close-minded

03:15:51.060 it's disgusting for me that you're willing to turn your back on your own offspring that's

03:15:56.100 disgusting to me so say whatever you want to be with for valid reason how did you there's no

03:16:03.300 let me ask you a question there's no circumstances under which you would not turn on your children or

03:16:08.340 perhaps like your parents what if they committed some heinous fucking crime we're talking we're

03:16:14.740 talking about what if what if they abused you if my parents abused me would that be would that be

03:16:21.300 or your children you would have to separate yourselves from them but if my parents wanted

03:16:25.860 to come to me and apologize for something like that and then demonstrated through their actions

03:16:29.860 that they never would do that again but you acknowledge but you acknowledge then i would

03:16:32.820 never cut them off but you do acknowledge there are some circumstances your child could do some

03:16:38.340 act in which you would distance yourself from them or disown them you you acknowledge that right

03:16:44.420 i know but i'm speaking in the sense of like sex work right now yeah you said abuse and we're

03:16:48.260 just talking about sex where i don't want to do your daughter becoming a porn star i don't want

03:16:52.500 you would never that's how thoroughly yes that's how thoroughly disappointed i would be in my

03:16:57.700 daughter if she was involved in sex work yes for you as your as her father i think you're supposed

03:17:03.380 to be there for her even through like the roughest points of because those are choices she is making

03:17:08.180 a choice and you're making the choice to disown her and i'm saying i don't think that's totally

03:17:12.100 different what is i don't think exactly that means that you just no longer like like you no longer

03:17:17.220 speak to them you shun them you don't here i want to ask the chat i'm just curious about the chat like

03:17:22.020 if would do you guys agree with me do you disagree with me agree with me disagree one if you agree

03:17:27.540 with me two if you disagree with me i'm just curious because hey maybe i'm wrong maybe you would be wrong

03:17:32.180 to disown your daughter if she was is she saying mean things like constantly personally i would not

03:17:39.540 disown my daughter but i think you guys are thinking of love and unconditional love as unconditional

03:17:45.700 acceptance of their choices and that's not the same thing i don't think that's if they want to

03:17:49.940 turn around i think that like that's why i don't change there's no that's why i did the example of

03:17:55.460 like if your son struggled with like substance abuse right was continually harming themselves by

03:17:59.940 being addicted to like heroin or something like that i don't think that by you not disowning them

03:18:04.660 is you saying oh well i'm happy the fact that you have a substance abuse i think you're being there

03:18:08.260 to support them as their father you guys are saying it's like you're lending them 20 bucks every time they

03:18:12.740 need it like when does it become enabling at some point like like to yeah yeah uh you see what i

03:18:18.420 mean well said enabling uh no i don't think like not disowning your child that they do sex work it's

03:18:24.180 not disowning okay let's say it's not disowning it's just cutting ties with okay like the disowning

03:18:29.860 i don't know to what legal level i don't know let me i would i would say that actually for example you

03:18:37.220 see this when it comes to politics families like become um what's the word for it uh

03:18:45.220 splintered splintered over politics so i think this is also a valid reason i think that's pathetic

03:18:51.380 though i think people who like if it's like you're not talking to your parents because they voted for

03:18:56.020 trump or biden i think that's no but but i i'm saying that that's it i actually think that that's

03:19:01.140 perhaps even a lesser thing well i i mean people have different values i mean i'm not trying to compare

03:19:06.420 one to the other but ab check thank for the 20 man appreciate it yeah so yeah i don't know what

03:19:11.460 i don't think any of us would disown a family member over politics like my parents are like

03:19:16.180 liberal i know people do that i think it's unfortunate i think it's like a stupid thing i think like if you

03:19:21.140 disown your family over political disagreements barring like extreme fundamentalist shit i think you

03:19:28.260 would come to regret that and like when they die on their deathbed i think that you'd see like just

03:19:32.340 how stupid and inconsequential it was to like separate yourself from your parents it's funny because

03:19:36.340 i hear a lot of kids that are like liberal progressive disown their trump supporter parents

03:19:43.380 yeah that's crazy they're getting the parents that's fucked up that's like so stupid to me

03:19:52.580 place change and make a job position uh i'll get to that yeah i think so are you saying progressive

03:19:58.660 kids should accept conservatives older than them their parents people around them yeah i don't think that

03:20:04.900 you should be shunning your parents or family just because they voted for trump that's insane

03:20:09.540 thank you or vice versa if you're a trump supporting family and you disown your kid

03:20:13.060 because they support biden that's insane uh abby right it's abby abigail but yeah abigail

03:20:19.060 if your daughter you want to have kids right i do if your daughter like would you disown your daughter

03:20:24.180 i couldn't i couldn't disown my daughter no i mean if she if my daughter was doing something that

03:20:29.140 i thought was damaging and she kept doing it and kept doing it and kept doing it um i would realize

03:20:33.860 that the way that i'm going about trying to uh get her away from that is wrong i would try to evaluate

03:20:40.020 and determine a better way of going about it but no i wouldn't i couldn't just cut ties with my child

03:20:46.260 same if like my um my son was doing something like uh drug dealing yeah using drugs or drug dealing

03:20:53.940 and i thought it was wrong no matter the amount of disappointment i would feel i just that's my son

03:20:59.300 i cannot turn my back on i think you should i would try to um keep them from doing it and if what i'm

03:21:06.420 doing isn't working like i said i would change what i'm doing um and if i did have to cut ties

03:21:13.700 it wouldn't feel good it's not what i want to do but um like let's say if my child wanted nothing to

03:21:19.140 do with me because they felt that i was like pushing my beliefs onto them and i was wrong

03:21:25.380 and they wanted nothing to do with me uh i would wait for them to uh to come back and i would pray

03:21:32.980 and i would hope that they would but no i would never be the one to cut off ties with my child i

03:21:38.100 would not disown my child i feel like i think you're gonna be more willing to like or more likely

03:21:42.820 to actually entrench the fact that she would be like in that industry if you disowned them i think

03:21:47.460 the thing that would if you were like really dead set on like getting your daughter out of being

03:21:51.220 like in the sex industry or porn stars i don't think disowning them at that moment is going to

03:21:55.780 be the thing that makes them like realize like oh yeah maybe i shouldn't be doing this if anything

03:21:59.220 they'll be like my family fucking abandoned me fuck them i'm gonna like do this for sure i think

03:22:03.380 if you show love and vulnerability and say like we're here any time for you i don't support it

03:22:07.620 what does the zoning mean actually yeah i know that's we we determine cut ties that's what

03:22:12.500 we said and don't speak to them don't he means like you're you're my mom and i'm just gonna

03:22:18.660 never talk to you again or about you please move the mic over and speak into it sorry yeah like if

03:22:24.260 your mom looked at you and was like you're not my daughter anymore i'm never going to speak to you

03:22:28.180 again don't tell people that we or you're my child right i'm not going to speak about you you basically

03:22:32.420 have to sign anything no it's not a divorce you just never speak to them again you can do that though

03:22:36.660 it's possibly the kids can it's probably easier at 13 i've already stated that i would attempt

03:22:45.380 first off i would attempt to raise her so that just wouldn't even be a positive possibility to begin

03:22:51.380 with but of course despite parents best best efforts kids still fuck up or they get involved

03:22:57.460 in these things so whatever i would try to dissuade her if she was again considering going into it i would

03:23:03.700 try to convince her not to if she got into it i would make another good faith effort to stop her

03:23:10.580 from doing like an intervention yeah i would make effort so it wouldn't just be like an instant drop

03:23:16.180 immediate disown but at some point it would yes i think eventually like if uh i mean it's depending

03:23:23.700 on what right obviously there's there's degrees and severity to it but if she was a prostitute for

03:23:29.380 example i mean it's going to be very hard for me to well if she reached out to you again and

03:23:34.340 said i've put that behind me i no longer want to do there can be reconciliation there can be

03:23:38.740 there's a possibility for reconciliation that's not the same thing that's not disowning if this

03:23:42.740 isn't too personal are you religious or like a man of god i claim to i claim to be a man of god

03:23:48.580 right like do you think and a christian go ahead with your like do you think that jesus or god

03:23:58.180 would ever instruct like his children to like you as a man turn your back on your child i mean the

03:24:04.980 story of the prodigal son is he he comes back and repents and the father accepts him back and that's

03:24:10.020 i think what brian referred to there's still a possibility that is like the christian thing

03:24:14.500 like i don't see that as i think christianity is all about forgiveness i think the whole point

03:24:18.580 is supposed to be that you would never turn your back on your children or do you disagree you think

03:24:22.260 that's like the godly thing to do i guess well i can't speak for how other people are like how you

03:24:26.980 personally like how you view your relationship with jesus i've already told you i've already told

03:24:31.620 you what my position is on this right if after multiple best efforts attempting to get her to not

03:24:39.060 engage in this behavior i failed it would be in the same way that like we all choose to be

03:24:46.420 if if somebody is not behaving in a way that we find appropriate then we we are of course within our

03:24:53.620 right to cease being in a relationship with somebody or having a relationship with someone

03:24:58.820 so if my daughter are not just any that's not just a relationship i know biological connection yes i

03:25:05.060 know but but the degree of disappointment that i would feel would make it very difficult for me to

03:25:12.420 have a relationship with my daughter but you are saying that you know that relationship could be

03:25:20.420 rekindled it could put that yes what if she did it behind your back for years you somehow never managed

03:25:26.980 to find out that she had been doing i would thoroughly be escorting i would be for like the last five

03:25:31.220 years you'd be thoroughly disappointed but it didn't manifest in her actions or behavior

03:25:34.820 because for five years she kept it a secret from you that she was escorting if you found out five

03:25:39.060 years later she's been escorting for the last five years okay no she doesn't stop i'm saying that you

03:25:43.700 you find out this is very specific she's been escorting no no i just want to see that because

03:25:48.020 you were like no i like in the first scenario or whatever you knew the entire time you're like

03:25:51.940 i try to stop i try to intervene and i'm like what if she's been doing it for five years and you

03:25:55.140 never noticed yeah you never knew i i suppose to some degree once you find out would you

03:25:59.860 would i what disown them for that i mean certainly to some degree ignorance is bliss

03:26:05.060 in that situation but um would i dis is she continuing to do the work that she's doing yep

03:26:12.180 again i would it wouldn't be an immediate disown but i would say i did not know this let's try to

03:26:18.260 correct what i see as dysfunctional behavior and i would try to i would try to guide her if you didn't

03:26:25.060 know for five years what do you mean because i'm saying for five years she kept it a secret very

03:26:29.220 good yeah but you're saying so you're if somebody if if you were in a relationship for five years you

03:26:34.980 had a husband and he was cheating on you for five years but you didn't know about it that doesn't

03:26:40.580 that doesn't change the fact that there was infidelity i'm not saying it would change the

03:26:44.660 fact that that she was an escort it would make her an escort and in the circumstances that you're

03:26:48.500 saying it wouldn't change the fact that he cheated on me you're saying like how can it be

03:26:52.660 dysfunctional if you didn't notice because i'm saying it's still dysfunctional whether i know it

03:26:57.140 whether i there there can be this there's dysfunction in the world whether i know about

03:27:01.540 it or not doesn't change the fact that it's dysfunctional what's dysfunctional about sex work

03:27:06.420 to you really i yes brian i don't i don't know it's not obvious to me i disagree with you i need to

03:27:12.660 know why you think that okay the the damage that okay first off sexually transmitted diseases

03:27:19.380 very high risk of that stis yes and that's why in a legal brothel they get tested more than anyone

03:27:25.220 and we get tested once a week on the dot do they test you for herpes everything well i mean you get

03:27:30.340 tested that much because you have a higher be honest do they test you for herpes be honest abby

03:27:36.740 why are you turning to her do they test you for herpes don't they they get a swab every week and

03:27:42.020 they test us for and they test you because there's a higher risk do they test you for herpes

03:27:46.900 you don't want to answer because the truth is in the sex work industry in the porn industry they

03:27:53.540 don't test for herpes because if they did there would be no fucking industry because everybody in

03:27:58.820 the porn industry fucking will get herpes we had a girl on the panel two weeks ago who has herpes

03:28:05.620 she's actively working in the sex industry despite the fact that she has herpes and this is just like

03:28:10.980 an open secret in the porn industry they check for gonorrhea they do hiv they do syphilis

03:28:16.260 anything that they can check for i believe they don't check for for hpv they don't check for

03:28:21.140 herpes that's if you work in the porn industry you will get herpes on a long enough timeline

03:28:26.820 she got it within six months of getting it they don't test for herpes because it would be the

03:28:31.540 fucking end of the porn industry wait by herpes do you mean do you have herpes no i don't have her

03:28:38.020 they don't test i don't have no i've been so far beyond just getting an sti though hpv is the

03:28:44.340 most common sti it's way more common and you're asymptomatic kids get cold sores and that's a

03:28:50.660 form of herpes yeah let him finish his list as to why it's damaging yeah you're fear-mongering

03:28:55.700 about herpes unless you mean specifically like words are like related to like genitals yeah

03:29:00.580 there's a lot of different types of herpes and i think the the first one is there's a different

03:29:06.020 types of herpes and i'm pretty sure there's one type you don't have to be a sex worker to have

03:29:09.700 herpes or it's just for sharing drinks and stuff no they don't even recommend that you get the hpv

03:29:14.980 vaccine past the age of 24 because like well there's past the age of 24 because you probably

03:29:20.260 you probably already have it it's that common okay okay the risk you were just saying it was

03:29:25.380 like super risky and i'm saying like yeah it's so risky but it's way more common you were acting

03:29:28.980 like it's specific to sex workers but hpv and herpes herpes simplex super common super common

03:29:34.660 that's probably why they don't even bother testing for it there's h there's uh hsv1 hsv2 and that's

03:29:40.420 from one of them is from getting yeah one is more common than the other that's the mouth and one of

03:29:45.620 them is like you can contract it from like sharing drinks like if i had herpes are you guys really

03:29:50.100 defending herpes i know i'm just a little confused here and i believe that you're

03:29:54.500 defending herpes i'm saying that you're you're confused on how widespread those stis are because

03:29:59.140 the general population is likely to have those anyway and they don't need to be that's incorrect

03:30:03.860 here and if you're saying that like you don't have to get tested for a girl could go to my doctor

03:30:10.820 and test myself for herpes and show that i'm clean like i have kaiser brian can you continue

03:30:15.700 listing yo can you get off your phone please go ahead brian i would like you to continue listing

03:30:21.540 the risks beyond just stds because there are many more that you didn't sure and then that was it

03:30:26.900 so sorry so the question was what what is the damage of doing sex how is it dysfunctional i said

03:30:32.260 how is it how is it how is it dysfunctional well i i do believe that that sex is what as you have more

03:30:41.060 sex you you de-link intimacy from sex and it just becomes sport fucking it's just like it has it

03:30:48.900 loses its intimacy um so and i think sex is a way that you and your partner ought to bond so um i feel

03:30:56.900 like it sounds like what you're saying is that it makes it dysfunctional for that person and the

03:31:00.500 partner that they may or may not be with but does it make them dysfunctional as a human being overall

03:31:04.660 well your sexuality is extremely central to who you are as a person so yeah i'm not saying that's

03:31:10.900 not you so you think that doing sex work makes you dysfunctional as a human being overall

03:31:17.060 yes yes and that's why you disown them you're because this all started with like you saying

03:31:23.140 that you would have to do it because sex work is so dysfunctional like i'm happy to answer your

03:31:27.140 fucking question but i've repeatedly wanted to move away from the fucking sex work conversation we've

03:31:33.220 been on it for three and a half hours and you guys keep wanting to bring it back to the

03:31:37.780 fucking sex work conversation like i'm happy to answer your fucking question but like first off can

03:31:43.780 you maybe try to give the other girls an opportunity to speak like oh my god

03:31:53.060 the answer is yes by the way okay we can move on here i'm like just i'm so over the mary i almost

03:32:00.580 want to like pass it to mary because i'm just like i almost i'm frustrated with the conversation

03:32:05.460 mary what are the ways what are the ways hold on what are the ways in which you think it it's

03:32:10.500 dysfunctional to engage in did you want to continue the conversation well just on that and then we can

03:32:15.380 move on yeah well yeah you listed stds you guys get tested so often because you have a higher risk

03:32:20.420 of getting them that's a fact and then um you mentioned the fact that it hurts your ability to

03:32:27.140 link intimacy with sex which i believe that is the purpose of sex it's supposed to be a way that two

03:32:36.500 people connect with each other spiritually and physically that's why we feel doing that as a

03:32:41.380 transaction that is not a real human connection you cannot have a real human connection with someone

03:32:46.500 that is also a transaction so yeah it hurts your ability to pair bond in the future

03:32:53.140 um i have all sorts of reasons that i think it's dysfunctional that aren't in common with brian

03:33:00.580 because i'm religious but we don't even have to get into that like just on the surface level

03:33:05.460 those are those are things that are extremely important and when it came to the conversation about

03:33:10.980 disowning kids i think what it's really about is our fundamental disagreement

03:33:16.180 is do we think it's a parent's duty to discourage their child from going into sex work some people

03:33:24.100 at this table think yes it's a parent's duty to protect them from that and discourage them from

03:33:28.340 that and it seems like the rest of you don't think that it is a parent's duty to do that i don't think

03:33:33.860 that was the main contention but we can move on

03:33:35.460 oh my god okay um prion you have the mic when you're like we're looping on this it's like just

03:33:45.380 change the the topic you're the moderator i mean i've tried but you guys continue bringing it back to

03:33:52.020 the all right um grid one motorsports the entire right side of the panel is make the best argument for

03:33:57.540 is making the best argument for passport bros i have seen in a while like because i was literally

03:34:02.420 asking lexi about her prison thing and then within like immediately it's back on the sex work thing

03:34:08.340 so it's just like all right wax prophecies donated one hundred dollars shout out to lexi she handled

03:34:16.100 her own with candace and comes across as more compassionate and realistic than her adversaries

03:34:21.780 i generally favor conservative views and am not a feminist or simp mary who i like lacks empathy

03:34:29.300 men are broken not three hundred and fours okay thank you wax all right thank you so much there

03:34:36.980 you have it from wax okay we have uh let me see here we have grid one motorsports no man that knows

03:34:44.180 his worth wants to date mary or even have coffee with a village bicycle how hard is this to understand

03:34:49.780 sure some dudes will take the free sex but that's it yo grid one thank you man appreciate it

03:34:55.300 uh danger close canadian hundred thank you man appreciate it so if s work is work can a boss at

03:35:02.340 any type of workplace change or make a job position that requires giving bj and smashing it would have

03:35:08.980 i don't know if i follow that so it would have to be done at a legal establishment like the brothel at

03:35:13.060 bunny ranch there should be a drive-through

03:35:16.980 like a drive-through like the guy just like it's they drive up in their car stick there

03:35:25.780 like a glory hole drive-through glory hole drive-through we'll call it mcfuck

03:35:32.260 you should go over the bunny ranch and pitch this yeah i'll talk to him um yo kenny blankenship brian

03:35:39.300 pretty cringe of you to dodge dave's question in bad faith you know why you have these girls on the pod

03:35:44.340 the same girls you use as clickbait in your thumbnails to rack up the views

03:35:48.660 i don't know why i don't know why you're thank you kenny to be on here thank you kenny blankenship

03:35:53.460 definition of bad faith by you hypocrite are you okay with being clickbait be on there i don't why

03:35:58.740 i'm not sure why you're doing the finger snapping for to kenny what because i think it's so funny

03:36:03.300 because it's true if you agree are you okay with being click wait what's true to dodge dave's question

03:36:10.420 i mean i'd have to watch it back but what was somebody basically interrupted me and then the

03:36:16.340 it was a to be fair the conversation was moving very fast there was a lot of super chats coming in

03:36:22.980 i it was just based on it was basically saying that you know why i think dave was asking like

03:36:31.940 what is your purpose for having these women on if like unless because you i guess he was saying that

03:36:36.420 like you guys disagree a lot clearly like if you want i'm not sure what like what he's trying to

03:36:42.900 get at though i think i don't think he was like i thought i thought he was insinuating that you're

03:36:47.460 being judgmental even though you're the one inviting like women who disagree with you and and have

03:36:52.020 different like backgrounds than you purposefully and then you come on they have agency they're

03:36:56.420 choosing slanderous for it yes i think being judgmental is not giving someone a seat no it's just

03:37:01.940 not giving anyone like what what is i mean like so am i only i kenny are you making the argument that

03:37:07.940 i'm i should only invite on women who agree with me first off that wouldn't make for a very interesting

03:37:14.020 show if everybody just agreed uh people constantly have on in the online space debate people that they

03:37:23.540 disagree with yeah he was saying it's a symbiotic relationship you invite on the 304s the bimbos so you

03:37:28.900 can btfo them for like in the in the debate about us and post on twitter how you would never date a

03:37:34.820 whore like why are you why are you doing air quotes that shit is true as fuck no because like

03:37:41.300 exactly why i don't because it was your words okay i thought well sometimes people air quote as if to

03:37:48.180 suggest it's not actually true no i said i quoted you right yes that's what i'm saying so why are you

03:37:55.380 here then i i know that i'm sort of like failing like for starters the initial times that you guys

03:38:03.300 were on you reached out to me to come be on the show yeah i invite on people of different viewpoints

03:38:09.460 and backgrounds it's not like but this time you invited them back right yeah i asked right

03:38:15.300 i was like why do you do that why do i invite because i book people to why do i invite people back

03:38:23.300 on to the show i'm just gonna comment i want to make this comment right can i you can dunk on them

03:38:31.540 so you can show these 304s who's the boss is that not the whole setup of the show or what this is

03:38:35.460 free speech i've i've tried to get on so many podcasts and you know what they said you're a sex

03:38:40.420 worker no thanks even i knew two of the hosts and they wanted me on but apparently the booker didn't

03:38:45.620 like me and she said we don't want sex workers on the show and it's just like it is so cool to go on

03:38:50.580 on podcasts like this because here is a voice that exists in society a silent minority majority

03:38:56.420 whatever and i am given a seat at a table real suppression real misogyny is not giving someone

03:39:04.340 a seat to even talk and and and and literally i'm so sick of like of media being like that and it's

03:39:11.220 just like i've been in media for years and it's so hard be you know having to been a sex worker i don't

03:39:16.340 want to yeah we'll move on but anyways yeah i'm a musician you know yeah yes and i you know how it

03:39:22.100 is it's like they look down upon that yeah but i don't do i don't do that and there's yeah they

03:39:27.380 stole my audio fingerprint so distro kid stole my audio fingerprint yeah took down like my stuff is

03:39:33.940 still there they're stealing their royalties that they owe me still by the way don't use distro kid

03:39:39.300 guys the the fuck are we talking about what the are we talking about what the

03:39:45.300 does distro kid have to do with this fucking conversation let me finish i'm like we're like

03:39:52.660 i get suppressed too yes does it have anything to do with you being a sex worker being like everything

03:39:58.820 and i'm not suppressed here i have a mic here i have a seat here i am not suppressed here but i get

03:40:04.820 suppressed for being a conservative who isn't not like you're not suppressed here can you please

03:40:09.220 not do the roman but you're here i know that's perfect that's why i'm not supposed to get feels

03:40:13.620 good it feels good one microphone at a time when he donated one hundred dollars oh my god

03:40:22.580 this is violet mary do you want to respond to this

03:40:24.820 no rejected you asked me what my point on or why i came on the podcast and that's what we were

03:40:36.100 saying is that he gives us a chance to talk about our sex work life or whatever and that's what we're

03:40:43.620 here to do is educate people and talk about i'm just yeah okay just to bring it back to kenny's super

03:40:49.300 chat it's just it's a little confusing to me because are people not allowed to have interact

03:40:55.940 with people that they disagree with thank you like dave rubin does speeches at colleges

03:41:04.980 typically to lip well i mean perhaps i don't know what the audience is but surely liberal people come

03:41:10.580 to his audience they do q a's i i don't really know what it wouldn't be much i don't know what the

03:41:17.620 question but it wouldn't be much of a debate if you didn't bring us and other people that don't

03:41:23.220 right you know what i mean this would bring on people i disagree with because it's that's a a

03:41:29.060 good forum to be able to have these conversations i could bring on a whole like an echo chamber so

03:41:35.620 everybody could just agree with me i guess right but i bring on people who disagree with me and we

03:41:42.900 have a debate otherwise it'll be a question in the context of us discussing like preferences

03:41:48.420 related to like porn consumption would you date a sex worker not to bring it back to that but that

03:41:52.100 was the context of it i think he felt that you were being i guess kind of disrespectful to them

03:41:56.420 and he was saying that like you're being somewhat hypocritical too because he was saying you benefit

03:42:01.380 from sex workers existing because you bring them on your platform and you get to have discussions about

03:42:05.380 it you get to put beautiful women in your thumbnails and that you financially profit from that by

03:42:09.140 having this show where people can donate super chats to you and it's all because the women are

03:42:14.260 pissing them off that's why people donate to you and i think it's like half of what half of what the

03:42:18.020 super chats are is to talk about the women and so first off actually in today's thumbnail there are

03:42:24.900 no sex workers in the thumbnail it's you it's a girl who ended up flaking and it's actually an ai

03:42:31.700 have you never you've never put a sex no i have yeah i have but that would be representative of the

03:42:37.220 person that's on the show so me posting a photo like i can i can i i'm still like kind of failing

03:42:46.260 to see the point dave was saying how are you going to shame sex workers when you literally benefit from

03:42:51.620 sex workers existing by bringing them on your platform and using them for money for click for

03:42:56.020 clicks for views and for this conversation again i still fail i still fail to see are you

03:43:01.460 suggesting that i'm not allowed to bring on it's just the way you go about it i mean what i think

03:43:06.820 the way what do you mean the way about it of course i'm going to on their podcast and you say

03:43:11.460 how can you why the fuck are we still talking i'm just i'm it's not my argument i'm trying to

03:43:16.420 understand what i think dave was coming from when he asked the question i think we all agree that it's

03:43:20.340 a bad point yeah i just think it's like i think there's nothing wrong with running a business too if

03:43:26.580 anything there's nothing wrong with inviting everyone that's what sex workers are doing

03:43:28.660 they're running a business they're not running it that neutral that's a video that's something that

03:43:32.900 is degenerate okay hold on like okay i'm just like it's kind of a difficult thing to like wrap my

03:43:45.940 head around but i'm just it's i'm kind of annoyed honestly um the we can move on yeah that's a good

03:43:59.620 idea no so you're just not supposed to give people a seat i guess i guess i'm supposed to just pack and

03:44:03.940 leave because like society like i think i thought dave was trying to imply someone being hypocritical i

03:44:09.060 don't think he was saying that you were supposed to have them on the the whole conversation originated

03:44:14.500 at i would not date a sex worker that does not preclude me from having the because i would not

03:44:24.500 date a sex worker does not preclude me from inviting sex workers onto my show i didn't think he criticized

03:44:33.140 you for having the conversation i think he was criticizing the fact that you said sex work is bad for

03:44:37.300 society men ought to shame women who do sex work even though he was pointing out that you have

03:44:42.900 did i say that i don't i'm trying to characterize what i think dave rubens impression of you was and

03:44:47.860 he's looking at your business model and he's saying part of your business model part of your business

03:44:52.900 model is having 304s and hoes in your thumbnail and you benefit by dunking on them that's it we can

03:44:57.620 move on that's all i'm saying i just think you're trying to clip farm because that's not really what

03:45:00.980 he said but let's move on okay okay this whole show is clip farming this whole show is

03:45:07.140 that's why you came here we all know that's why no i think that's what you do it's like

03:45:10.420 your whole thing is clip farming but there's nothing wrong with that i'm saying that's just

03:45:12.980 what you do she's not you can make your money clip farming and dunking on like all the 304s and

03:45:18.580 women invite on as many sex workers as you want you're free to dunk on them no one's no one's forced

03:45:22.660 to be here everyone here is like coming here voluntarily you're just saying it's super critical

03:45:26.820 that you say it's bad for society you benefit from it in like a roundabout way

03:45:29.780 that i see i'm here to say what his point was so why does it let's move on to debate what his point

03:45:37.460 was yeah but i okay i benefit if i were let's say let's say i was a i was an atheist and i invited on

03:45:51.060 a religious person to debate them i disagree with their position i don't share their position you would

03:45:57.060 then be able to make the like this is just like

03:46:06.260 i'm so i've been bombarded with this fucking line of questioning for

03:46:11.220 four hours now and it's so fucking tiring i can't even think straight but um what's your point i was

03:46:18.420 only trying to summarize where it wasn't my point i'm only trying to cut like understand where you were

03:46:23.060 you seemed confused about what the super chat was saying it had to do with dave rubin's question

03:46:27.380 i said remember the context i think dave rubin was trying to insinuate that you're being a hypocrite

03:46:31.780 he kept being like i'm not coming for you bro i'm not saying i disrespect it i'm just saying like

03:46:35.220 this is what i see and then in a small way even though you say sex work is like shameful you're

03:46:40.580 benefiting from it in a small way i think that was his point it's not mine i'm benefit well in

03:46:45.700 if i'm telling but i think what you're saying i'll steal man you what you're saying is that if you were an

03:46:50.020 atheist you ran atheist podcast and you were criticized if you said to a christian guest

03:46:54.180 your worldview is bad for society and they turned to you and they were like it can't be that bad

03:46:58.020 because i'm here and you get to make money from my appearance it wouldn't make christianity good

03:47:01.300 that's what you're saying it's not an endorsement in that way but just just because i invite somebody

03:47:06.180 onto the podcast it doesn't mean that i need to agree with their positions and it whether you could

03:47:14.020 certainly make the argument that if i invite on somebody who's a sex worker and we there's a clip or

03:47:19.460 something of them talking about sex work that i somehow benefit from like i'm when you what's

03:47:28.100 the issue though i don't see what the issue is when you invite guests on you know you're going to

03:47:32.740 disagree with them right for the most part right not always not always i guess he was he just

03:47:39.220 he seems skeptical to me that you were open to some of the ideas from like sex workers because if

03:47:43.540 you fundamentally disagree listen he gives people a voice people a voice and not not i don't think

03:47:50.580 that's what sex workers a voice is the person behind the years he's benefiting from the friendship

03:47:58.500 hold on josey aaron is not debating uh brian's point or anything she was trying to clarify the super

03:48:06.660 chat that's all so she can't really it's not a good hold on it's not a good idea to argue with

03:48:12.180 aaron about dave's point because she doesn't really know exactly where dave was getting with

03:48:17.220 it she was just trying to summarize i was trying to guess where i thought he was coming she was

03:48:21.620 trying to clarify the super chat so now the super chat has been clarified aaron's not a good person

03:48:26.580 to argue with this about because she doesn't know really what dave was and dave isn't here

03:48:30.980 just like she said dave's not here so we should move on okay i'm just trying to parse it i'm just

03:48:37.860 it's not clear to me we don't need to we don't need to yo yo shut up it's my show i will choose when

03:48:43.700 we move on or don't okay i'm just still trying to parse it it's again i don't think it's hypocritical

03:48:51.620 if i'm if i am somehow able to monetize

03:48:55.140 the putting a person in a thumbnail and that further generates clicks it i don't think that

03:49:05.940 makes me a hypocrite if i it would make me a hypocrite if i was against sex work and i engaged in sex work

03:49:16.740 i i that i okay whatever i don't know i thought i guess i to me it just seemed like dave was trying

03:49:22.180 to insinuate that you exploit it in some way that was what i got from it but she doesn't

03:49:27.380 she's not but i can't know well he didn't say that he didn't even he didn't know that's why

03:49:31.060 this is all conjecture i'm just trying to guess at like what i thought he was getting at because

03:49:34.340 like i don't know why he would need to make the caveat like i'm not coming for you dude unless he

03:49:38.020 thought that that his question might insinuate that like yeah you kind of do profit from it

03:49:44.100 but i mean you could you could make that argument about any of the conversations that i have on the

03:49:48.580 show even outside we have panels where there's no sex workers on the panel there's do i profit from

03:49:55.540 women having a high body count i mean like i'm i suppose i'm profiting from if there's a clip that

03:50:02.260 goes viral when i'm debating a woman and i disagree am i profiting off the fact that i know there's

03:50:07.940 degrees of separation but he's trying to like say that like connect the dots and in a small way in

03:50:12.420 a roundabout way just by engaging in that sort of like contentious debate with them because of their

03:50:17.220 background like you end up benefiting from it because you can use in one way or another i

03:50:21.220 suppose i mean but like it to me i it again i'm it doesn't it's like saying somebody's like oh you

03:50:29.860 say you're pro-human rights but i noticed that you shop at walmart and you buy clothes that were made by

03:50:33.460 like child laborers or sweatshops or whatever you're a hypocrite okay we have that's what he was saying

03:50:38.020 we have bender the offender i predict brian will take some time off in the near future yeah i mean

03:50:42.580 that's yep i was just looking out for you okay sorry yep um let's see i have we have a tts that's

03:50:52.260 coming through hold on it's coming in pull up twitch oh hold on nevermind my is donated 99 erin requires

03:51:04.020 the last word have her silent for five minutes and the show will move on people were paying a lot to

03:51:10.660 shut you up last time you were on okay nothing nothing's changed did we get all the okay we got

03:51:17.300 all those uh go to twitch twitch.tv slash whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub if you have one

03:51:24.580 uh let's see we have uh fraser think for the prime oh violet think for the tier one appreciate it

03:51:31.060 okay um let's see i wonder if we had i had some more show notes here uh from let's see i

03:51:40.420 think we're all caught up there um oh we have this one hold up

03:51:47.140 ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten we'll go around the table go ahead

03:51:51.780 a solid seven ten to ten baby i'm a six i'm a six i'm a 6.5 today because my hair is a little frizzy

03:52:00.660 i'm a six right now i'm a six i'm a six seven

03:52:11.540 maybe like a seven or an eight on a really good day three you're a ten erin are you just saying that to

03:52:18.580 to what what about you so you think i oh sure i consider myself six i give myself six okay yeah

03:52:29.460 okay i think that's too modest i think seven thank you aaron i appreciate it you're welcome so you think

03:52:34.180 you're a ten though you you think you're on par with the most beautiful women in the world that's

03:52:37.620 your own emrata that's your own objective that's me self that's your self-assessment of your physical

03:52:43.460 attractiveness yes i'm not like i'm not gonna rate you i'm like i'm not gonna rate you but you're not

03:52:47.940 a ten okay but you're not gonna rate me i'm not gonna rate you but you're not a 10 i think somehow

03:52:53.060 i'll manage to sleep at night still i'll be okay that's fine i'm not trying to insult you but just

03:52:57.300 say it with your chest right just say you don't think of like i literally don't think of that

03:53:00.660 attract i didn't pussyfoot around it you're not a ten okay what am i oh i'm not gonna again i don't

03:53:05.460 need to rate you no you don't need to i'm asking you to just say with your chest what do you think i am

03:53:09.380 then i don't feel i don't really feel compelled to rate you but you do you want the answer i get

03:53:14.640 like six okay give you six okay you should rate all of us then we're on the same par

03:53:19.760 you said you're a six i'm a six wow yeah i don't i don't think i'm like

03:53:25.560 fucking brad pitt over here i'm like that's not what

03:53:28.180 but you think you're a time you think you're a time okay this is super niche but i remember

03:53:35.720 you have this you have a prank video where you're messing with prostitutes in like the

03:53:38.600 red light district and there was i don't know who it was you were like fucking with one and she

03:53:42.100 said in this accent what do you think you look like red pit and then she like slammed the door

03:53:45.360 is that what you were thinking of right now when you said that or no no it didn't cross i know what

03:53:49.400 you're referring to but no that didn't just remind me it just reminded me of that wow you you did a

03:53:53.380 deep dive on my channel that's not a deep dive you're a fucking fan i've watched you since middle

03:53:57.040 school you have a prank channel it wasn't until recently i saw that your videos would pop on my

03:54:01.060 feed when i was like in you know high school in quebec like all right we have jazz 23 here society

03:54:06.120 doesn't need sex workers they just take advantage of lonely men they have no skill and take the easy

03:54:10.720 way out it'll never be respected we should give a percent of the money they make to people we

03:54:15.260 actually need like blue color workers there you have it i think we yeah we should definitely uh

03:54:20.680 you know redistribute the wealth of like a syntax sex workers what do you guys think about that

03:54:26.760 redistributing their like a sex worker syntax type of thing

03:54:29.620 uh let's see where do i want to go with uh i mean um who oh i i have a couple here hold on one

03:54:39.660 second the reaction to no we don't have to pull up the video um sorry i'm pulling this up real quick

03:54:45.280 oh shit this is not the right one one sec guys somebody's singing happy birthday outside i don't

03:54:50.700 know if you guys hear that one sec someone's having a good time facts somebody is having a lovely time

03:54:58.380 okay let's see here uh

03:55:00.780 i want to open it up to you three over here since you haven't had a huge opportunity to uh

03:55:08.660 weigh in is there anything anything dating related that any of you three would like to uh speak on

03:55:13.980 i'm just here to live my life like i said i don't take in i don't really care about what

03:55:23.920 anybody else is doing in their life you know their life is their life my life is my life

03:55:27.820 um what your perspective it is to date that's your perspective um if you want a housewife then

03:55:35.160 that's what your perspective is i'm just here to live my own life like i don't care what anybody

03:55:40.300 else is doing in my opinion that's just how i feel like why you're here i'm here to just hear you

03:55:47.060 guys debate and put my own input into it like i said like i've been through a lot of different

03:55:52.020 scenarios and seen a lot of things to where genuinely i just listen and i like just take

03:55:59.040 that into consideration you know fair enough like your consideration of how you are like you have

03:56:05.660 really good pointers and so do you and so do the sex workers and these women here like that's just how

03:56:11.480 i feel about it for me that's just how you said you're newly single right yeah have you had a rebound

03:56:17.640 yet rebound rebound like a new guy is there a new guy in the picture yet i'm currently in the makings

03:56:25.260 and workings but i'm not gonna say like hey we're together and stuff like that we're we're both um

03:56:31.080 just trying to figure ourselves out right now are you currently as a team do you have are you dating

03:56:35.600 different people no just the one guy i'm not i wouldn't say we're dating we're um that's my

03:56:41.800 partner i guess but we're just getting to know each other right now i'm not saying like that's my man

03:56:48.380 and i'm ride or die you know like we're just getting to know each other like different perspectives on how

03:56:53.300 we are in the future maybe we might not like who you know their opinions or his opinion stuff like

03:57:01.680 that so has anybody here ever had a hoe phase starting with you

03:57:06.880 my life in my industry is my hoe phase

03:57:11.920 at work so yeah

03:57:15.720 simple what about you no i was i got my associate's degree like while i was in high school and then i

03:57:24.100 went to college and then there was the quarantine so no time for like going out for me

03:57:28.140 um i think my playboy days were my hoe phase when i was in playboy it was it was hard to ignore

03:57:35.000 it and hard oh you're in playboy yeah damn i had jet black hair then i didn't have a hoe phase

03:57:41.860 hoe phase as in like sleeping with multiple different men at one time yeah

03:57:48.840 no no

03:57:52.620 um i have tell us about that oh god i was actually gonna like lie and say no

03:58:06.400 but um honestly i my mom is super strict i'm adopted alongside my older sister she also goes to ucsb

03:58:20.900 um but i think both of us just coming out of my mom she's super uh mentally abusive and toxic so

03:58:33.420 like more me she was able to like go hang out with friends and do stuff but i wasn't ever allowed to

03:58:42.280 like leave literally at all unless it was like school sports um but yeah so like moving out and

03:58:54.040 coming to college it wasn't bad but like just finding myself and like i mean i had a i went through some

03:59:04.000 stuff to like actually find myself but i'm not proud of it and i wouldn't say it was the best thing

03:59:12.940 but i'm not like ashamed of it because i am who i am today because of the things that i've been through

03:59:20.020 that was beautiful never had a hoe phase

03:59:24.320 yes no come on we all have to answer

03:59:36.260 come on we all know he's in the quadruple digits

03:59:40.580 i uh let's um i'm a man of god i'm a man of god

03:59:47.480 man of god father brian you know man of god doesn't want to he's renounced his like sin

03:59:57.140 sinly i don't know his past depravity i um maybe this isn't really related to hoe phase but uh sugar

04:00:05.700 daddies have any of you ever had a sugar daddy yes did we talk about the last show i think i can't

04:00:13.500 remember

04:00:13.900 i think we might have what's like do you have sugar daddies currently

04:00:19.760 yes do they spend a lot of money on you yes life on easy mode okay um what are we talking here how

04:00:29.120 much do they spend um so basically he's actually giving me one of his credit cards

04:00:35.300 so i just use his credit card and then at the end of the month he pays it off

04:00:41.600 is this but do you hook up with him or

04:00:44.540 um he lives in a different state he lives in new york so i don't see him often

04:00:50.240 um he you have his credit card yes do you have a spending limit no

04:00:56.360 damn what does he do for a living what do you say what does he do for a living

04:01:01.760 i will not disclose that information do we have any information about him

04:01:08.000 other than he's a very high value like his age anything um marital status what he's single

04:01:15.800 what does he get never been married before um and what was the last question that you said

04:01:22.120 age age um yeah

04:01:24.420 48 what what does he get out of just giving you his credit card and you spending his money

04:01:32.360 um we actually have like a great little relationship um like yeah uh we fly we meet each other in

04:01:40.560 different cities and stuff like that and we hang out he's really busy with what he does with work so

04:01:46.320 he doesn't get a lot of time to like hang out and relax so when he does get that time it's really

04:01:53.620 important for him to be relaxed and like no drama and for us to have a good time is he your only sugar

04:01:59.880 daddy um currently yes are you his only sugar baby yes do you think you might be lying about that no

04:02:07.560 okay and i actually am starting to catch little feels oh oh for this man but yeah okay what about

04:02:15.540 you no i don't have a sugar daddy i've never had a sugar daddy uh i don't have a sugar daddy currently

04:02:21.400 but i remember i had a sugar couple and they were so cool and they they were cool cool folks they were

04:02:30.260 doctors and uh me and chicago that's all i can say yo ricardo are you still watching by the way

04:02:37.780 ricardo let me know um you had a couple sugar daddies in the past no no a couple like a husband

04:02:43.480 and they were okay what about you have you ever had a sugar daddy okay uh have you had more than

04:02:51.000 one or was it just one i've had multiple multiple how many like total probably can you scoot into the

04:02:55.740 table like four total four total okay uh you're 19 have they all been within like the past year

04:03:02.880 like the past three years i never like i never met up with anybody though you had a sugar daddy when

04:03:07.560 you were underage yeah yeah okay um but and you had four sugar daddies but you never met up with

04:03:13.620 any of them in person no how would you meet them seeking the website how would you meet them

04:03:18.080 snapchat snapchat but how would you meet how would they find you just like send them pictures but how

04:03:22.780 would they find you initially how would they know um actually it was on my friend's tiktok live and

04:03:27.780 then she like shouted me out and then yeah oh they contacted you on snapchat i see okay uh so you had

04:03:33.800 four sugar daddies total yeah yeah um and what i just showed that what the super chat please don't read

04:03:42.900 that out loud um so anyways so four four sugar daddies um so you never met them though so what

04:03:53.680 was the exchange that would occur they would just give me money and i would send them pictures pictures

04:03:58.640 like just yeah like nude not like bad nudes but like ludes maybe what are bad teasers feet pics that

04:04:08.000 type of shit i've done that like feet pics no like boobs okay wait a minute i mean you were underage

04:04:16.780 for part of this and you were sending them like yeah actual they knew too that's a major yikes yeah

04:04:23.660 that's disgusting um how much were they paying the most was like a thousand in one day like for

04:04:31.020 just one like no for like 20 pictures and would you talk to them on the phone or just all text

04:04:35.660 you never like actually spoke to them okay um how much total from all four do you think you made

04:04:43.000 maybe like four thousand total total i'm not yeah okay but they would just like send you here's a

04:04:49.980 hundred twenty dollars a picture like twenty bucks a picture yeah like one time i went to la and i

04:04:53.980 spent like okay probably more than four thousand then oh more than four yeah i went to um la for

04:04:59.420 like a weekend and that was like three thousand that for that do you worry about the fact that those

04:05:04.300 pictures of you are now out there no because my face wasn't any i'm not no face no cake yeah yeah

04:05:11.980 would you let them screenshot no yeah i'm like depending on when you had snapchat or whatever like i'm

04:05:18.660 pretty sure those third-party apps where you like can save the snap without it like telling them or

04:05:22.860 like banned at this point no it's i'd do it yeah i did it at people one time to get someone's like

04:05:29.300 guys one at a time please i did one of the i used one of those like third-party apps to save somebody's

04:05:33.940 story once before i knew about like screen recording and they it logged me out and it said

04:05:38.200 like you're in violation or whatever and i got banned for like 48 hours and i gave me back yeah no

04:05:41.540 you don't need an app you just have to remix it how how did you get into it like on like being

04:05:48.020 younger somebody get you into it i was kind of just like joking around like seeing if i could

04:05:51.780 like make money like you just googled it no i just like was on like the tiktok live with my friend and

04:05:57.620 then we were just like oh like on the grind yeah we just like we're joking with it like every time i

04:06:03.220 wasn't like that serious about it but i was trying to just like so you were on tiktok yeah on a tiktok

04:06:07.460 live she already talked live and somebody was like go snap my 17 year old friend we just like

04:06:12.660 put our like snapchats in there and then yeah wait so you said it was are you friends with this person

04:06:18.820 like are you friends with this person still yeah was it more than four thousand i don't know if you

04:06:23.460 don't know you said it was more than four thousand yeah okay how much do you think six thousand yeah okay

04:06:29.540 that weekend i went to la was like the most i've made life on life on easy mode though i mean

04:06:34.820 there's no i don't think it's easy to uh can i please finish my just let me finish okay uh i

04:06:42.900 didn't feel like i was like degrading myself either like i didn't feel that that's why i could understand

04:06:46.980 i don't want to bring that up again sure it's just like life on easy mode because um yo doc vanabulous

04:06:51.860 thank you for the gift of 20 memberships um there's not like eight 18 year old guys who can just make

04:06:58.740 six thousand dollars it's okay uh what about you have you ever had sugar daddy yes i have actually what i

04:07:04.660 had gotten out of my relationship and i moved to texas i did we didn't do anything sexual you just

04:07:09.540 had one yeah i just had one um i went on throughout your life throughout your life just one okay yeah

04:07:15.300 just the one how did you meet him um i went on seeking arrangements because like i said um i'm a

04:07:20.420 two-time felon so it was really hard for me to try to find a job so i went on there i met this older

04:07:25.780 gentleman um and he was like hey like i'll pay for your bills your groceries and i just want to hang out

04:07:31.620 and gen he actually had kids and like a wife but he genuinely actually just wanted to hang out and

04:07:36.980 like have somebody to vent to i noticed that older men like that they genuinely just want to have a

04:07:42.420 conversation with somebody that they kind of don't really know yeah but you never met him right no we

04:07:48.580 met oh you met in person yeah we met in yeah in texas how long were you talking to this guy it wasn't

04:07:54.180 too long it was long it was like six months five months and then i just it's just like i guess like

04:08:00.420 when i started working my regular job it was kind of like i don't really need sugar daddy you know

04:08:04.580 i can just do my own thing so just got out of that and then that was that okay um

04:08:12.580 so what was the nature of the exchange we would literally just hang out like i've never kissed him

04:08:21.060 we never held hands we didn't do any sexual activities it was just like he just wanted to

04:08:26.260 hang out with somebody what would the hangout cost how much does it hang out like we would go to the

04:08:30.100 mall like no how much would it cost cost he'd pay you right that's sugar yeah yeah he'd pay me like

04:08:35.220 five hundred dollars like for one for one hangout yeah for like one hangout sometimes we do like

04:08:39.380 twice a month you know and then twice a month would he like buy you stuff outside yeah yeah yeah so like

04:08:43.940 we would even go to the grocery store together people like hey you want to go to the grocery store

04:08:47.220 together and he'd pay for all of my groceries and then i just go about my day and go home

04:08:51.300 how much like uh you said you were seeing him for six months like if you had to estimate how much he

04:08:57.700 total paid you how much would you say say like ten thousand maybe oh ten thousand thousand you know

04:09:04.580 he was buying me groceries and paying my phone bill and stuff like that so i'd say in total probably

04:09:08.420 like ten thousand okay where are these men uh what about you um yeah i have

04:09:18.820 it was just feet pics though have you had a couple have you ever sent like feet pics maybe

04:09:24.740 you didn't have a sugar daddy but you just like send feet pics yeah yeah and he was really like

04:09:28.500 yeah yeah wait your sugar daddy or a different guy he was no he was an older different guy no same

04:09:34.180 same guy oh you'd send him feet pics yeah because he he was like really like old or i don't even know

04:09:39.380 how old he was i think he was like 65 or something like that so i don't think he could like

04:09:44.100 like i don't know it was it was really different for him it was more like he paid me for a friendship

04:09:49.540 but he like wanted like toe pictures of me i guess men in that category that like toes and like feet

04:09:57.700 and then are kind of weird i mean they're they're all really rich these yeah oh no they are

04:10:04.580 like the guy that paid for my tits he was a foot guy 100 someone paid for the titties yeah and he

04:10:14.980 was titties were paid for yeah by a foot guy on the internet that i've never met before

04:10:19.220 but dude's i feel like very well yeah i know or like the weirdest kings out there for some reason

04:10:25.220 no yeah i think there's just like a correlation like if you're a feet got a foot guy you just are

04:10:30.180 very ambitious you make no yeah no feet guys i feel like wait just going back to you you're so

04:10:36.580 you said you had a one sugar daddy a couple sugar daddies what uh what was the story there did you

04:10:42.420 meet him in person um instagram actually but did you ever meet up with him no he was in my request

04:10:50.180 and i like thought it was a joke and i was just like because like i'll get like

04:10:54.740 texts all the time that are like oh hey it's like a paragraph that's like this big and there's

04:11:02.020 a bunch of emojis and it's like fake but i'll like play into it because i think it's funny um

04:11:08.980 but yeah it wasn't a joke and the most i got off one picture it's probably like thirteen hundred dollars

04:11:20.340 what for a feet yeah people pay a lot for feet this is ridiculous uh wait they have so much money

04:11:27.940 that it's just like they they have like the weirder the more money you have the weirder the kinks get

04:11:33.780 yeah no i agree like oh but also not be ashamed but fetishes are genetic if you guys didn't know

04:11:41.140 that's true what are you talking about they're genetic yes i'm pretty sure yeah it's usually trauma

04:11:46.660 related to be honest you can look it up well not i mean not always but you think there's zero

04:11:52.180 healthy foot dudes in this world because like not only are they into feet but they have to compulsively

04:11:57.060 like spend thousands on it it's because the i don't know how to explain it people have gotten

04:12:02.420 like really comfortable i feel like it is really fucking common now to see and like if you go on

04:12:07.460 youtube there's videos of like influencers like oh her foot compilations there's like sneezing

04:12:11.700 oh my gosh when the barbie movie came out there was a whole thing about her feet because when she

04:12:17.140 like steps out of her shoes yeah yep yeah i think they're getting too comfortable they're gonna add

04:12:22.660 the feet people to lgbtq it's gonna be part of the acronym it's gonna be lgbtqiaf for feet for foot

04:12:31.540 they're gonna add because they're they're faced it's gonna become part of they're oppressed they are

04:12:36.420 an oppressed group they're an oppressed group i'm here for like foot guy rights for what rights yeah

04:12:42.020 foot guy right yeah while we're at it we need reparations for left-handed people true so i think

04:12:48.100 we need reparations just saying um well so 1300 was the most yeah what's the total like if you had to

04:12:55.540 put a number number on it what's the total you made from sugar daddy type or feet big time

04:13:02.740 and you're 18 right mm-hmm yeah

04:13:08.180 like 30k 30k 30k 30k your friends over there only made six we need receipts now

04:13:15.220 go on you could you want to see my bank account because i can show you i need receipts sis okay

04:13:22.980 bro that's definitely go ahead call the irs honestly you could go on twitter and just search

04:13:30.420 i buy feet and you could get like 500 bucks from like one be right back no i'm actually serious that's

04:13:38.340 like a real thing you know there actually is foot guy oppression because i was thinking about it i don't

04:13:41.700 know if you guys know who bob odenkirk is if you've seen better call solid breaking bad he's a guy who

04:13:45.700 plays sol oh he got like shit on on twitter because they saw in his likes just in his likes he had liked

04:13:51.780 pictures from like a clearly like a foot fetish account no people go crazy over it so it's like

04:13:58.580 actually weird and then like he would like

04:14:02.500 pay for like my like pedicures and like tell me what color to get it's hard to say where the line

04:14:14.900 between like that being like sugar baby stuff versus just like individual transactions kind

04:14:20.020 of comes into play because i feel like with sugar daddy those arrangements usually it's like you get

04:14:23.860 a monthly budget and they they like kind of there's a mutual exchange there where they're like you're

04:14:28.420 gonna do xyz i'm gonna provide this this sounds more just kind of like individual transactions

04:14:33.220 yeah yeah well i mean if i like ever needed like if there if you could just like hit them up and get

04:14:39.460 money i would just like he would just send me money like yeah it's like sugaring i guess yeah but

04:14:44.580 he's like no i'm not sending you money unless you send me feed pics no no no it wasn't like that i

04:14:48.500 could just text him whenever and just be like oh like you trying to send me money for yeah okay um

04:14:55.780 i i could go around the table here but i don't think just yes or no have any of you

04:15:00.980 had sugar daddies actually act oh no i have a i mean i have a friend that um

04:15:09.540 i have a friend that is actually a candy distributor so we used to call him a sugar daddy

04:15:14.580 oh my god that's i thought you meant an actual yeah but we used to call him the sugar daddy because

04:15:19.700 he was like a candy distributor and he would bring us like big boxes of candies but yeah

04:15:25.780 but otherwise no i mean what i would say to that it's i mean you often hear like male privilege

04:15:33.940 honestly female privilege like you guys have life on easy mode oh 100 i mean i'm a i'm a woman and i'm

04:15:40.180 like they have life on easy mode i mean you could well you i mean you could choose not to engage in

04:15:46.980 i don't know if it's a choice or if it's just i don't think the options that are like

04:15:50.900 this isn't just women because you're like oh i wish guys could do it you could but you have to do

04:15:54.660 gay for pay because i feel like yeah because if there's if there's if you like you as a young

04:16:01.620 man can make this money doing sex work stuff but you have to your clientele will probably be gay men

04:16:06.580 i don't think women really pay for sex now i would still i would still argue though that there's i mean

04:16:11.460 there's far fewer gay men than then that are prepared to be like sugar daddies than there are

04:16:19.380 straight men who are because obviously there's far fewer gay men than there are straight but

04:16:24.340 yeah but per capita you know like proportionally like there's fewer gay men overall so obviously

04:16:29.940 like compared to straight people yes like just by raw numbers there's gonna be more but like

04:16:33.380 percentage-wise i don't think so i would still argue that that and i'm just pointing out you had

04:16:38.580 an opportunity if you just hit up some like you know dashing like gay older dude who's willing to

04:16:44.340 get your feet fixed ryan you probably could have done it you just have to find the right dude

04:16:49.060 men have this opportunity you're sleeping on it you guys just go find a gay sugar daddy who will do it

04:16:53.780 for you yeah but there's far i would argue that there's far fewer opportunities for men if you want

04:17:00.020 it from a woman yeah there's no way most women no even even if you did do that route i would still

04:17:05.540 argue that you're not going to be nearly as competitive as a woman yeah i like i don't know

04:17:10.900 but those gay sugar daddies aren't looking for women at all it's not that's not but there's

04:17:15.380 just like far there's just far fewer there's less gay men there's just like less gay men so there's

04:17:21.700 less gay men but wouldn't that mean like i don't know sometimes you can corner a market like there's

04:17:25.780 less gay men there's less people willing to do or like not willing to do but doing like queer sex work

04:17:31.540 anyway so i feel like it might actually make them more likely to do we just talked about foot fetishes

04:17:36.020 that's a rare like minority right as far as like sexuality or like kinks go it's really

04:17:41.300 uncommon i don't have this okay i'm saying kink like a foot fetish is on kind of uncommon but yet

04:17:50.260 they make up a ton of the dudes willing to pay for this shit so being gay is kind of uncommon but

04:17:54.980 they can make up a larger share of gay men they're like willing to do it or a larger

04:17:58.660 share of men that are willing to do it yeah but that is there's a differential there because

04:18:02.180 like the there there's absolutely minimal or no market like the the equivalent would be if there's

04:18:08.660 just like swarms of women who wanted like feet pics from like young hot dudes but that doesn't really

04:18:15.780 exist so it i mean there is a differential there if you care about getting it from women then it

04:18:19.940 doesn't exist if you just care about get in the bag then as long as you're willing to have sure but

04:18:24.020 even then yeah but even then like i don't think it's a one-to-one it's probably harder to come by

04:18:29.300 just a little bit yeah i would i would say even if you were inclined to to do that as a guy

04:18:34.420 i still say it's probably going you're not going to be as lucrative lucrative as a girl who's just

04:18:40.180 engaging in it with with men there there was this thing i saw on uh i don't know where i saw it but

04:18:46.500 so men in other countries are now so male escorts they're not necessarily providing sex but they're

04:18:53.140 they're pretending to be a boyfriend so a girl who's traveling alone can be

04:18:56.900 i love that right it's good she buys him lunch and she buys him food and and gives him money but

04:19:02.020 he pretends to be the boyfriend so she's left alone as she travels alone they have that like

04:19:05.780 you can't have like um like a girlfriend like i know that because like a cycling

04:19:12.260 like order like yeah rent a girlfriend and rent a boyfriend too yeah and you can feel safe

04:19:17.620 it's a boyfriend experience i'd run a boy like that some of them don't even say anything like i need

04:19:22.020 you they're just they don't even say anything i don't want to be alone yeah it was like i could

04:19:25.460 get paid to ride my bike i mean like and show girls around without you know some guy following

04:19:31.060 them brian you said you're saying you wouldn't do that do what get paid to show up and pretend to be

04:19:37.220 somebody's boyfriend for the day just so that this girl could hang out and do her thing without

04:19:40.820 people bothering her yeah literally just wholesome i think that i think it's like like like i think would

04:19:45.860 you give the boyfriend experience literally no sex just would you be willing to work at one and i mean

04:19:50.260 she'll cover your uh i mean what like if i was like 18 at any point would you ever be willing

04:19:56.820 at any point in your life to be as part like do a boyfriend experience for a female this isn't

04:20:01.380 sexual no no non-sexual this is non-sexual it's like a platonic friend yeah in the terms of she's

04:20:06.900 still gonna pay you to hang out with yeah she'd pay you i think that's okay like she'd pay you i think

04:20:12.580 that's okay i don't know like i don't know if just from a purely i i don't think i have a moral issue

04:20:18.820 with it but just from like a would i be interested in doing it easy mode probably i think that's a

04:20:24.500 cool like taking you on i don't think i object to like if it's just like a purely platonic

04:20:31.220 friendship i think that's fine but if there's a lap dance there's something a little like kind of

04:20:36.580 it is kind of sad though that that's a thing i don't know it's not like i i think it's okay i just

04:20:43.060 it's kind of sad like i don't think that like yeah even if society were like less isolated less

04:20:48.340 lonely i think there might still be a demand for it because that boyfriend experience is one you could

04:20:52.980 only buy because they're talking about trying to buy an experience for the guy that doesn't exist

04:20:57.220 he's like the manic pixie dream boy like he's falling over himself like you know being i guess

04:21:02.580 super chivalrous like almost like a like a caricature about like a simp would be i think that's the experience

04:21:08.260 a friend in some countries being a friend or friendship or charisma is considered a skill

04:21:12.420 that can actually be monetized simply that you're paying the person for their time as like i'm like

04:21:19.140 let's say i'm an introvert and i want to hang out with somebody well there is no oh i feel like i'm

04:21:23.780 bothering you or anything you pay them for their time and for the fact that they're coming all the

04:21:29.060 way there to hang out with you for a few hours then um moving on i want to go around the table on this

04:21:35.780 and i hopefully we can get everybody's answers are there any preferences that men have when it comes

04:21:41.780 to dating that you think are wrong or you object to or you think are superficial maybe um i don't

04:21:52.740 think i'm ready to answer this right now we can come back to you if you want yeah come back to me

04:21:57.860 i think that you know i'm i'm a musician so i would say like follow your heart like so

04:22:03.860 yeah it's like it's like i feel like if someone they don't follow their heart you know maybe okay

04:22:13.140 okay but it's like you think about it and you're like damn like i i should follow my heart like and

04:22:18.740 and it's like like i don't want to be 90 and not follow my heart like that's i don't want to be

04:22:23.300 sitting in a bed and be like damn i thought about that person i i should have i could have because i

04:22:28.020 broke all my rules because i'm yeah well that's that's beautiful but that's not the i know it's

04:22:33.860 not really a moment here what are you saying she asked what the question was oh i mean that's that's

04:22:40.180 beautiful but that's not really the i know what uh what what uh it's like a beauty pageant where they

04:22:46.180 just like don't listen they just uh the question is so the question is are there any preferences or

04:22:55.940 standards or boundaries that men have that you disagree with or you think are insecure or that

04:23:04.100 uh you think are wrong or that you think are they shouldn't have or yes if they're like hey

04:23:11.700 i don't want to date you because you're a sex worker and i'd be like all right i honor that

04:23:16.900 but damn like i wonder if one day you'll think about me kind of thing and and i i you know obviously

04:23:22.660 being a musician you and just art i you know i wonder if like i'm gonna think about it so it's

04:23:28.420 like i wonder if one day they'll think about it or just forget it or think yeah do you think if and

04:23:34.340 i'm gonna touch on this very quickly and move it on if we like got you set up as a twitch streamer

04:23:40.180 do you think you we could get you to stop doing sex work if so i always said

04:23:45.220 the if there's somebody out there that wants like a like a genuine like tantric emotional experience

04:23:55.620 and not even to spend not to spin it back at all it's like a genuine experience and and a giver like

04:24:01.220 me to give all myself to them i feel like because i enjoyed doing it i would i would feel guilty that

04:24:08.180 i was hiding that gift from people that need it and if they did if they're like i really want to

04:24:12.500 experience that from you so i would feel like i was i was hiding it but if being a twitch streamer

04:24:17.540 would help me um grow in a sense where i could be more of like an advocate for that and they can find

04:24:22.980 people similar to me i would say absolutely yeah like the the bigger the platform i'd i'd get i'd hope

04:24:28.660 i'd grow and and bring advocacy there's probably plenty of girls just like me and and i would hope

04:24:34.340 for that yeah um yeah so okay like dreams uh what about you i don't know what do you mean skip i've

04:24:43.620 thought of one i think it's dumb when men are intimidated like if their girlfriend or prospective

04:24:48.180 partner out earns them okay i i literally think that the majority of that in almost all instances

04:24:56.100 unless someone can think of an example is going to trace back to insecurity and like i mean if he's

04:25:00.100 conscious about it yeah that's pretty insecure i mean if you're like consciously saying like i

04:25:04.180 don't want to date a woman that makes more than me well i wouldn't say it's insecure i'd say that's

04:25:07.860 just his innate instinct to want to provide for his woman and it's emasculating it just let it

04:25:13.380 finish it's emasculating to feel like you're not being the one providing for her i wouldn't say that's

04:25:18.820 a wrong thing to do is want to make more because i'm like like if that's just a little bit more and

04:25:25.220 he's still like saying like no i have to be the breadwinner totally like the fact that you make

04:25:29.300 three thousand dollars a year more than me is like a no it's like a no-go that's messed up to me

04:25:34.820 it's not clear if it's because of intimidation i don't think men are intimidated by women who are

04:25:42.420 successful or by women who make a lot of money my ex was willing to it's not about intimidation

04:25:48.100 well what is it about that my ex was definitely it's it's typically more so it's less about the actual

04:25:53.140 money and more about like perhaps you know if you become hyper successful in business

04:26:00.660 that typically means cultivating certain personality traits that may not necessarily

04:26:05.220 be conducive in a relationship like for example a woman who's a lawyer which i think good for you

04:26:11.220 fantastic however in order to be a lawyer you're probably going to be someone who's temperamentally

04:26:16.180 disagreeable you have to be disagreeable you're probably going to be a bit more in your masculine

04:26:21.140 you're going to be to some degree argumentative and i don't think that that

04:26:26.820 certainly i mean look certainly a male lawyer can be argumentative too in a relationship

04:26:30.820 although typically you you know okay i'll save that for later but i mean you're going to adapt

04:26:37.460 certain more masculine traits and most men probably don't want to date like hyper masculine women

04:26:44.420 and quarrelsome women so but that's silly because they're looking at the income and they're

04:26:48.980 seeing it as a proxy for all of those like perceived negative traits and if that's like kind of an

04:26:54.020 automatic no like she can't be earning more than me because i know for sure she's going to adopt those

04:26:58.180 like masculine traits and i'm not going to like that that's what i'm criticizing it's like whether

04:27:02.020 it's intimidation insecurity like just that kind of like ick factor is silly to me because until you

04:27:07.460 get into it until you know for sure that like yeah this person out earns me and i think part of the

04:27:11.700 reason that they out earn me is because they have these like dominant characteristics that i don't really vibe

04:27:15.460 with then that's fair because i guess you gave you gave them a chance but to just be biased out from

04:27:19.460 the start and disqualify them as like no i could never be with someone who had earns that's silly

04:27:23.060 to me well he wants to provide for his woman and he and he doesn't have the power if she's out

04:27:29.140 earning him yeah they're that's intimidation to me well the man's supposed to have that sort of power

04:27:34.820 that type of power in the relationship that's that's like instinctual if that's what they wanted

04:27:39.700 they'd i guess deny themselves the opportunity to date somebody just on that basis alone it's silly

04:27:44.900 to me but but we even have women who've come on the show and i've seen examples of this women who

04:27:49.780 are successful high earners but they still they still conservative conservative themselves traditional

04:27:55.620 women and but the sort of traditional order of things typically was the man's the breadwinner the

04:28:01.620 woman maybe she has a side with a like small thing but he's the breadwinner and she takes care of

04:28:07.860 the internal household so you have these hyper successful women who make a lot of money but

04:28:14.100 they they still look to the man to fall into his traditional roles when it comes to being a leader

04:28:20.820 perhaps being dominant and being masculine in the relationship but that can potentially cause

04:28:27.380 conflicts so what if she out earns you just by a little bit but she is like submissive and docile

04:28:32.660 in like every other respect and he still says no i'm not going to do it because i think maybe it'll

04:28:37.620 lead to it or like for sure just no would you say that that's intimidation or insecurity i again i

04:28:42.580 don't think it has anything to do with intimidation or insecurity i think what men often find is women

04:28:48.100 who are hyper focused on their career typically tend to adopt uh character traits which are perhaps not

04:28:56.100 always but i said out earns not like rich just out earns because she could be out earning him at like

04:29:03.060 a like a blue collar job like if she's a nurse and he is a teacher she might make slightly more

04:29:08.100 that doesn't mean she's like she's like grinding or whatever it just means she's like well those men

04:29:12.900 i think we can both acknowledge though that there are men who are probably totally fine with

04:29:16.900 and who have no issue with their uh dating a woman who makes more more money than they do yeah and i think that's like based

04:29:24.100 if they if they don't see that as an issue or as like an immediate like preference that they need

04:29:27.780 to disqualify a woman for for dating then i think that's a good mindset and and me personally like

04:29:32.340 i would not be intimidated by a girl who earns more than me however it could very well be the case

04:29:38.020 that again not all women but it could be the case if she does out earn me then she's hyper focused

04:29:43.700 on her career uh she might have adopted certain personality traits that i don't want in the partner so it's not

04:29:52.500 about being intimidated i'm just not attracted to like really hyper masculine women so but i agree

04:30:02.020 with you there can be super feminine women but they're just killing it and they're they're able

04:30:07.780 to sort of compartmentalize to some degree between their relationships and their career um would you

04:30:13.620 be comfortable with it if your partner out earned you significantly personally i wouldn't care but

04:30:17.380 i would you judge a man for like i guess looking at that as a metric to see to try to predict that's

04:30:25.140 fine and this i i think i think men can if because there's there's a huge cohort of women who want men

04:30:31.620 to also be providers and they don't want to contribute equally to the household income so just in the same

04:30:38.420 way that women are allowed to have that preference men certainly the the men who don't want to date women

04:30:44.740 who earn more than them they ought to date women who earn less or who want to be stay-at-home wives

04:30:50.980 like it's just it seems to me like it's a mismatch of values those men probably tend to lean traditional

04:30:56.500 i think the issue is is you have women who are these hyper successful boss babe types yet in their

04:31:02.420 relationship they want they still want the guy to be the the leader they want the guy to take initiative

04:31:09.300 do all these things but in order for your man to be a leader you need to be a follower and i think a

04:31:14.980 lot of women right don't want to be followers in their relationship yet they yet they desire traits

04:31:21.860 they desire leadership traits but they don't want to be a follower yes do you think that like the boss

04:31:26.580 babe types are the are the type to want a man to still be a leader or do you think they're completely

04:31:32.900 i would argue in the relationship that kind of like wears the pants so to speak i don't think

04:31:38.020 typically like women are i mean even really successful women they actually probably want

04:31:42.500 even more masculine men to almost have to like they're super masculine so they have to like

04:31:48.980 get someone who's super masculine i guess i don't know to like level it out yeah i guess it's just weird

04:31:54.900 like i look at you know women that i went to school with they're like friends of like i have two friends

04:32:00.180 that are in law school right now and like the idea that they would ever like struggle to find a

04:32:05.620 partner even with like all of their success even if they're still demonstrating that like disability

04:32:09.940 i'm just saying i think if that was the reason why they were having trouble it would be silly to me

04:32:14.420 it's not i mean it's a woman's career doesn't make her more attractive to a guy

04:32:21.540 like you're probably not your success your money does not make you more attractive to to men people i

04:32:28.420 think just end up dating within their socioeconomic backgrounds for the most part sure for like like

04:32:34.820 what you're saying like i don't think a man would ever like i guess look at like a like a super

04:32:39.620 wealthy dude but you're saying like oh he might be dating like a target employee or something like

04:32:44.100 that it's like maybe he'd be open to it but it's just not common statistically i think it's actually

04:32:48.740 very common i i agree with brian i know okay all right some common ground we got some common ground

04:32:57.540 because high value men don't care how much their women make yeah high value men don't care if you're

04:33:07.380 freaking a janitor or a nanny they do care they do they don't care if you don't make as much but they

04:33:12.900 care if you make too much they just want to make sure you don't but they care if you make too much

04:33:16.980 yes that's that's what i also agree with that no i it's not i don't think it depends it's not

04:33:22.180 about just because it's not that you're with literally go ahead finish just because of i've

04:33:27.860 met some guys like that that try to do it in the control aspect of oh i don't care what you do for

04:33:35.220 work so you work you're a target employee and then she's relying on him for money you know what i mean

04:33:41.300 and then that goes sour and then then what i can understand that part right but i can also

04:33:47.380 understand like it's it's not about the money like if it's about it's about one kind of how you're

04:33:54.500 going to be prioritizing your time for example if we're talking long-term dating

04:34:00.340 i assume at some point there's you know if you want to have children a woman who really prioritizes her

04:34:07.700 career over having kids that is part of the calculus of if a man's going to want to get

04:34:13.140 involved with a woman so let's flip it do you think it would be reasonable for a woman to say i actually

04:34:17.780 don't want to really like six financially successful and career focused guy because i'm scared he's not

04:34:22.420 going to be there for me emotionally or to take care of his kids but i mean that's sort of been the

04:34:29.620 the setup for time i know in this hypothetical though for this woman do you think that that's

04:34:34.580 like ridiculous of that woman to make the assumption that because he's financially

04:34:38.260 successful and career focused that he couldn't be a good father and a good boyfriend emotionally

04:34:43.860 no you think that's fine or you think it doesn't make sense

04:34:50.100 can you repeat it one more time okay you have a woman who is telling you that she's not interested

04:34:55.860 in dating a man who is that financially successful or career focused and like actually sees that as

04:35:01.700 somewhat of a negative trait because she's worries that he's not going to be there to raise his kids

04:35:05.540 and that he's not going to be there emotionally because he's too busy because he's too busy with

04:35:09.540 his career are you asking me if that would be a valid concern for a woman to have yeah do you do

04:35:14.420 you think that makes sense yes like do you think it's possible for men to be good fathers and also

04:35:19.860 career focused yes okay why isn't it possible for women to be career focused and good mothers

04:35:25.060 i didn't say that i i didn't say that based off the reverse of it no one has no connection with

04:35:31.620 the other i don't know because you were saying but there's a biological much money because they

04:35:36.020 would be maybe too masculine too career focused and they wouldn't be able to be at home and do

04:35:39.940 like domestic duties well there's there's a bio there's a first off there's a biological difference

04:35:43.460 when it comes to actually carrying a child and giving birth to said child that's a little

04:35:49.140 i think single fathers can be good fathers as good a father's as you are really putting more

04:35:54.020 i did not say that you didn't say it explicitly but the things that you're saying are leading

04:35:57.540 me i actually think single fathers typically do better than single mothers okay in raising

04:36:05.380 children so that's not what i said at all okay but i'm not sure where the connection is coming from

04:36:12.740 okay here's the thing uh men and women are literally this is like that jordan peterson interview

04:36:17.700 with kathy newman on like bbc or whatever so what you're saying is no that's not what i'm saying

04:36:25.540 how about the words that come up the what the words that come out of my mouth is what i'm saying

04:36:30.420 and i did not say that okay do you understand brian that sometimes things that we say can have

04:36:35.620 implications beyond what we explicitly yeah when you argue with semantics of like the words that you

04:36:40.580 pick this is literally if you tell me i'm jumping to conclusions then fine i jump to a conclusion

04:36:46.020 no you're just here to clip farm literally okay like are we moving on i don't know where to go

04:36:52.980 straw manning straw manning that's not really nice you know okay look sorry i was being mean

04:37:00.500 i didn't mean to be me i don't know like always with these like scenarios okay um i'm trying to isolate

04:37:08.980 variables and test like how far you go with it because it just in one respect you were willing

04:37:13.860 no you're arguing semantics you're willing to can i say something so i had this sugar daddy in texas

04:37:19.540 and he had like three baby mamas and three different kids with them and he would literally

04:37:28.420 he was such a terrible father because he would always tell me how like he was like oh my god my

04:37:33.540 baby mamas do all the work like bless them because in the real world like when i go home to the house

04:37:40.100 those kids are way too much for me to handle and deal with and i'm so glad that i get to leave

04:37:44.740 that house and go to my condo at the end of the night and sleep by myself so it's like and he's

04:37:49.780 like a very high like he makes a lot of money you know what i mean and for me to hear that i was like

04:37:56.180 ew like you're a shitty dad because you and he buys the baby mamas like teslas and they all live on the

04:38:04.020 same house like all on the same street in a nice house and stuff like that but it's just like

04:38:09.140 at the end of the day his presence is gone yeah his presence is gone and he's working and that's

04:38:15.460 kind of what she was saying and that's why i was yeah putting that story in there because i was like

04:38:19.620 wow that's like maybe he financially provides but i think a lot of women would feel like there's

04:38:23.140 something missing from their relationship if and that's not going to be compensated for the fact

04:38:26.580 that he's financially providing for them if you don't have a partner who's there for you

04:38:29.060 emotionally if you don't have a partner who's there to be a present father i think that's a

04:38:32.740 disadvantage and not only that but like think of their kids too like or like i think women would

04:38:38.580 take a man with a more modest salary who's more present in his kid's life than a man who is more

04:38:44.100 financially that's a totally different fucking conversation okay yeah that's a totally different

04:38:48.900 conversation you were your original thing was our men and men are intimidated by women who make a lot

04:38:55.940 of money it's a totally different who out earn them not who make a lot of money that's different i

04:39:00.980 just said out earn you can be both you can both be in poverty okay you can both make 20 000 a year

04:39:06.020 but maybe like you he makes 20 000 she makes 25k a year or i gave the example of a nurse and a teacher

04:39:12.820 okay what about you seriously

04:39:18.500 what's an unfair preference that like men can have for women

04:39:21.140 having like the perfect body i think okay it's an unfair preference for men to care about a woman's

04:39:34.340 specifically only like women like if they have like a big butt or like big boobs or like you know

04:39:39.060 like just like have a specific do you think if you ask most men they would say that a woman needs to

04:39:44.820 have a perfect body in order for them to date them i know a lot of people that can you speak

04:39:50.260 closer to them i know a lot of people that feel that way what if he has the perfect body is he allowed

04:39:54.980 to have that preference or is that only for the men who are out of shape i feel like because i would

04:40:00.900 argue a man with like a really nice body can be allowed to prefer women with nice bodies do you think

04:40:09.860 it's okay for women to have height preferences i feel like it just depends but i just feel like

04:40:15.940 it's just unfair for either what what's unfair what's not there consciously what that's what

04:40:21.780 stop what's unfair for a guy to just like a girl to have i mean i guess that just goes for hookups

04:40:28.100 mostly what what i mean what does it matter if it's for a hookup or for a relationship

04:40:34.180 i just feel like that's is it let let me okay is it do you think it's unfair for a guy

04:40:39.860 to care about a woman's physical appearance i mean i think it's unfair for them to only care

04:40:47.540 about the physical appearance okay do you think men only care about women's physical appearance no

04:40:59.220 but i'm do you think a majority of men only care about the woman's physical appearance no

04:41:05.300 okay i didn't mean to like push you into a position that because your previous point was

04:41:13.860 you think it's unfair for men to want women who to desire a perfect body what was the original question

04:41:20.740 is there any preference or standard that men have that you feel is like unfair or that you disagree

04:41:25.380 with or maybe it's uh okay so you think it's unfair when they have that but you're not saying that all

04:41:31.460 men have that preference i'm just saying that it's unfair that when they're like oh i just want like

04:41:35.140 that that to be one of their preferences like oh they have to have so your answer doesn't really

04:41:39.060 answer his question because he's asking uh preferences that men generally tend to have

04:41:44.580 yeah okay so yeah that doesn't answer i thought what she was saying is that if a man has like

04:41:49.540 unrealistic body standards for his girlfriend that is superficial and not attractive to her

04:41:57.860 like if you're expecting your girl to look like a victoria's secret model before you'll even like

04:42:01.540 consider dating her that she's saying that's pretty superficial i would argue though that most men don't

04:42:08.020 don't expect to date women who are on par with victoria's secret mom no probably not i think most

04:42:13.780 she's just saying i just want like average physical fitness okay but on that note though

04:42:20.180 what i would what what i would say is that actually uh women are far pickier when it comes to

04:42:28.020 women are far pickier when it comes to physical physical looks than men are

04:42:33.700 yeah true okay in what ways i disagree i mean speaking for myself personally i'm not saying it's a fact

04:42:40.020 please speak into the microphones guys if you're going to talk um okay um i would say that when it

04:42:49.620 comes to things that are outside of either gender's control women care about uh far more things than

04:42:57.460 the reverse there are far more things when it comes to just purely physically speaking that women care

04:43:02.740 about versus men a lot of the things that make women physically attractive that men find physically

04:43:08.660 attractive are in your control the only exception would be like breast size there's no way to

04:43:14.340 really i mean breast augmentation yeah but i i think like when you're without surgical intervention

04:43:22.100 but i don't want to advocate for surgical intervention because i'm against it but of the

04:43:26.420 things that are are in your control that the vast majority of men will find attractive a lot of that you

04:43:33.300 have oh my god you do have in control so um well i think she was saying with like how common plastic

04:43:44.420 surgery is and how it's like trendy for a lot of celebrities and models to have things like breast

04:43:48.500 augmentations most men don't find that attractive i think you're just saying if men adopt the preference

04:43:53.300 of having of like wanting women who have lip fillers who want women who have botox who have breast

04:43:57.620 augmentations that at that point these are unrealistic and like very demanding standards because the average

04:44:02.740 woman shouldn't have to get surgical intervention to be seen as like attractive to men no you guys

04:44:08.820 probably agree on that on what sorry i was that the average woman shouldn't have to conform to a

04:44:14.100 societal standard of beauty that has to include surgical intervention or like cosmetic uh like

04:44:19.620 enhancement like fillers botox breast augmentations to live up to like a beauty standard that like men's

04:44:24.820 beauty standard should not be including things like it's not even men's beauty standard women see other

04:44:29.620 women doing that shit most men think lip fillers look fucking ridiculous yet women see that shit

04:44:35.940 and think oh okay let me go inject this bullshit into my lips so i look like a fucking duck no dude

04:44:42.500 most if you ask most men go ask most men on the street they don't like lip fillers they don't like bbls

04:44:48.660 they don't like lipo they don't like fake tits but i think i i agree with you because i don't and i don't

04:44:53.460 i don't big labias matter big labias matter don't get fucking labia plasty true okay i think um like

04:45:01.860 i agree okay you've talked enough shut up okay so so yeah like i'm not saying like every guy's like

04:45:08.100 that but i know a lot of guys that like are like oh if they have a flab but like oh i don't want to

04:45:12.900 be with them like i've i know a lot of guys that have a lot of guys think that they have this type or

04:45:17.540 standard and then when you look at the people that they actually date it's not really i feel

04:45:24.980 like that's something that shouldn't be a thing or what shouldn't be a thing should it be a thing

04:45:29.380 i feel like that's you're talking way too far from the mic please would you just i've i've asked

04:45:34.420 repeatedly everybody here if you're going to speak please speak up onto the mic we told you multiple

04:45:40.180 times before the show please go ahead i don't know what i was getting at anymore oh my god okay

04:45:48.740 so what i'm trying to say is that when it comes to physical my god dude i'm so fucking frustrated

04:45:56.020 sorry guys it's just like there are far more things that women care about when it comes to

04:46:02.980 physical looks compared to the the reverse for example women care about height women care about

04:46:08.820 penis size women care about men's physical size way more balding all these things right

04:46:14.100 a lot of these things are out of men's control the only like whereas women just be huh i don't think

04:46:19.860 that's right either i'm saying for both ways like i'm just saying i don't i feel like that's right but

04:46:23.620 like most women say they want to date a guy who's like six foot tall that's like 10 to yes no yes

04:46:28.580 that's not true the vast the vast majority of women are vast majority okay i guess that's all in that

04:46:34.260 yes but with you you you cannot accept when i when i use these terms majority you you seem like

04:46:40.500 you always want to argue the exception because you make broad generalizations about women's

04:46:44.820 preferences and then we try to make broad generalizations about male preferences and you

04:46:48.180 push back on it but okay but specifically on height do you think it's a unfair broad generalization that

04:46:54.660 generally speaking women have a strong preference for tall men you're not just stating that fact

04:46:59.940 though you're saying that preference is bad i didn't i didn't say that do you think that what

04:47:04.820 do you mean do you think women having a height preference for men is toxic it's not whether i i

04:47:10.260 think it's bad or not i i simply accept that it is i accept that yeah but i accept judgment

04:47:18.180 do you think i don't know i don't because i think there's a probably to some degree there's a biological

04:47:22.660 basis for women being attracted to large men tall men because they're more capable of protecting

04:47:27.860 women there's an evolutionary reason biological reason for women to be attracted to that i've

04:47:32.900 heard of that yeah so now however do i think it gets into delusional territory when for example

04:47:38.740 a woman who's five foot demands she like a guy who's six three i think that's like a little like

04:47:46.420 it can get into delusional territory territory but i understand i accept that women are attracted to

04:47:52.100 tall men i don't accept that i think it's not good well i think i think it's it's not good for

04:47:58.260 women to have unrealistic like height standards sure i mean but and i think women are not beholden to

04:48:04.340 their these base biological instincts to date really tall men um but the reality is is that generally

04:48:14.340 speaking most women would prefer to date a guy who's taller well the five foot two girl only exists

04:48:20.900 because her father isn't over six foot right so they're obviously short women exist because women

04:48:28.740 reproduce with with guys who are short so sure but generally speaking women care quite quite a lot

04:48:36.020 about height so i only really care if he's taller than me okay that's fine and that's a lot of that's

04:48:42.900 a lot of women a lot of women will say that they as long as the guy's taller than me but there's also a

04:48:48.820 lot of women who will say i want a guy who's x height five ten six feet like when it comes to

04:48:56.580 unrealistic standards i think it's just like you come up with this standard so that you can um protect

04:49:03.300 yourself from uh being rejected like oh i didn't want them anyways they didn't fit my unrealistic standard

04:49:11.700 okay uh do you have anything on this question uh again about the whole like on like preferences that

04:49:21.060 you um i think it like i said it just depends on your partner i know a lot of people that are actually

04:49:27.860 married and to where they're the man's you know he brings in the money and then the woman you know

04:49:32.820 stays home cooks cleans and stuff like that i have a brother that is a stay-at-home dad you know so and then

04:49:39.700 his wife works so it just depends on your partner to be honest and if yeah okay um here really quick

04:49:51.060 on this because it's kind of related to the preference thing i need to wrap up the show in

04:49:54.020 about 20 minutes uh do you guys object to men's preference for dating a woman who has a low body count

04:50:02.660 we'll go around the table starting with you go ahead do i object to a say the question one more

04:50:10.100 time okay i will repeat myself again do you object to men having a preference or otherwise caring

04:50:17.780 about a woman's body count i think it's dumb okay

04:50:23.700 you you you think it's dumb yeah okay what about you uh come back to me i know i don't object

04:50:34.100 i think it's dumb too any other descriptive words is it insecure maybe might be insecure

04:50:39.620 is it i mean it's just like why does it matter about whose body count okay you know what i mean it's

04:50:45.540 like why does it matter okay yeah i just feel like if you like them it shouldn't matter about their body

04:50:50.820 go okay what about you um i don't really know like that's just their perspective like the man

04:51:01.140 doesn't want to be with a woman that's been with 20 000 other men and good for him you know some men

04:51:06.580 don't care um this kind of plays on to what i was going to say about the other question

04:51:14.100 i mean if somebody has their own preference and that's their own preference and to be honest i

04:51:18.340 don't think that they should be like shamed for their preferences i mean it might make some people

04:51:24.580 insecure and i think that's a lot from where insecurity stemmed from but i think it's more

04:51:32.100 not what the preferences are but what the other person thinks the preferences are

04:51:39.620 like how we were talking about how angie said about the body types and how

04:51:48.740 brian said that like men don't actually think that it's just females think that because they do it

04:51:56.100 and then they see other women doing it but about body count same thing i just think that like a

04:52:03.940 preference is a is a preference and same thing with what she said like if you don't want to date somebody

04:52:09.380 who has a high body count and you want someone with a low body count then great like

04:52:14.900 i just don't think it matters do you think a guy might be insecure if he prefers a woman with a

04:52:21.540 low body count i don't think so i think that your preference is your preference and i don't think

04:52:28.260 you should be insecure at all about any preference i give mary um i don't object to men having a

04:52:35.860 preference for low body count but also i think that there are a lot of uh girls who get rejected

04:52:42.420 because they're sexually inexperienced women get rejected because they're sexually

04:52:49.060 experience inexperienced there are a lot of girls i've seen say like yeah guys rejected me because i

04:52:54.260 said that i didn't want to sleep with them and i'm or i'm oh that's different or whatever i think

04:53:00.260 they say like they're a virgin they get rejected if they say they don't want to sleep with anyone

04:53:04.980 before marriage they get rejected but i don't i've seen a lot of girls say that i don't it's not

04:53:10.740 clear to me if they're getting rejected because of their low body count it's probably they're getting

04:53:14.660 rejected because they don't want to have sex with the guy yeah like the guy doesn't want it's not

04:53:22.180 and if he's rejecting you for that then and you want marriage then good yeah if you're waiting

04:53:27.380 until marriage and he's rejecting you because you're waiting until marriage and great but i i

04:53:31.860 don't think that there's like but it kind of pushes back on the idea that all men prefer low body count

04:53:38.180 no but i i don't see the court when it comes to wifing they usually do usually no but if if a virgin

04:53:46.100 girl was prepared to have a one night stand with the guy i don't think the guy is going to turn her down

04:53:53.380 because of her low yeah i don't mean by like i think guys are typically they're rejecting women

04:54:00.340 who happen to have low body counts or who are virgins because they don't align on the the timeline

04:54:08.340 right but i don't think it's they're not rejecting them because of that it just you could have a

04:54:15.300 body count of 50 and tell a guy i want to wait until marriage and he would

04:54:19.860 he could very similarly reject you because you don't match up on when you want to the speed with

04:54:28.100 which you want to uh start having sex in the relationship yeah i think when you said inexperience

04:54:33.540 i think it gives the impression that what you mean is like guys would reject a woman for not having like

04:54:38.580 enough i guess of a sexual background because it's like oh what if she's bad in bed right but i don't

04:54:42.820 think that's what you meant i think you're just saying that like a woman who maybe is like a virgin or

04:54:46.740 is not going to sleep on like the first date or whatever like can be a turnoff for guys yeah yeah

04:54:51.940 the values need to be aligned for that concept to work you know

04:54:57.540 no no did you answer i don't think it's unfair i think it's a fine preference to have okay

04:55:04.900 so are we talking like an actual like confirmed kill you should care a what an actual confirmed kill i

04:55:12.580 mean you should care but that was a joke so i don't know body count confirmed kill

04:55:19.140 all right ha ha if you feel call of duty that's actually funny okay yeah no it matters

04:55:26.500 okay

04:55:29.220 uh all right all right um so trying to remember

04:55:34.740 it's okay so you said it was insecure i forgot i don't know dumb um news flash men care about body

04:55:44.260 count it's totally valid for a guy to care about body count uh i care about body count a woman i would

04:55:50.100 not want to date or even sleep with a woman who had a high body count what's a high body count i mean

04:55:55.780 it depends on the age but like honestly once you some men might even think this is like i'd say

04:56:02.980 over 10 you're getting into high body count territory i i think how many body counts do you have

04:56:09.140 how many i i don't well he has one body count well we're gonna go uh actually actually before i should

04:56:16.100 for those of you who said body count shouldn't matter what's your body count well i want to know

04:56:20.420 yours maybe i'll save it till the end but wait wait wait before you leave before you leave

04:56:24.180 one thing i asked first i'm skipping this one didn't you answer it last time did you answer this

04:56:29.780 last time possibly i forgot what do you mean possibly you don't you wouldn't you know there's no way i

04:56:35.700 don't remember like everybody's answers you don't remember if you answered it or not okay um because

04:56:41.300 so what's your body count no i'm no i asked first though i will i will give you my answer to the

04:56:48.500 question after we go around the table go ahead no no no you answered i'm skipping why you just

04:56:54.260 answer the question you said body count i'm not you said you said body count respectfully i don't

04:57:00.420 want to answer the question right now that that's fine but you did say body count doesn't matter right

04:57:03.940 did you answer it last time brian i'm telling you right now i can't recall what is this she's pleading

04:57:10.020 the fifth okay um does any did she answer it last time nick were you here do you remember okay well

04:57:16.820 can we just go around the table and then you tell i can guess mine and then she'll feel like telling

04:57:22.100 you it'll be fair it'll be fair it's only fair because i asked it's only fair because i asked first

04:57:28.100 all right go ahead what's body count oh i'm gonna share my body count did you say body count doesn't

04:57:35.460 i didn't answer i said come back to me then you have a short answer do you have a short answer on that

04:57:40.180 um i think in the same way you were saying that you disagreed that when when i asked about like the

04:57:46.340 like

04:57:46.740 do you want me to answer you look annoyed i don't know i'm well i'm trying to see if you don't care

04:57:54.180 that's fine but then skip me bro i'm you look so i asked i asked you ask me i don't know if you

04:57:59.620 really want the answer you don't have to be meta over whether i'm annoyed or not i asked for a short

04:58:03.860 answer go ahead i accept it huh i accept it like except i kept asking you to give a normative claim

04:58:11.780 earlier about whether or not you thought a woman's preference for a height is good and you're like i

04:58:15.620 accept it so okay men that you you stated most men you think it's fine that men have that you're so

04:58:21.700 so can you just answer the question can you just please answer the question if guys have a preference

04:58:27.460 for a woman with a low body count they because they think that that means they have similar values

04:58:32.660 then that's fine so okay so what you're saying is in order for a guy to have a preference for

04:58:38.420 a woman with a low body count he too must also have a low body count is that kind of what you're

04:58:42.180 saying yes so it's consistent okay i think that's fine i don't i don't necessarily think it's

04:58:48.020 body count ends up being the proxy for values because he assumes if she has a high body count

04:58:52.260 she's probably a hoe i don't like doing that i don't want hoe women so i don't want her to have

04:58:55.620 a high body count what about you uh i'm not hiding i think i mean i've been doing this

04:59:02.580 since i was 21 so i would guess a thousand um but um a thousand plus yeah okay i guess so sure

04:59:12.980 but forgive me if i keep getting up because i was just hungry what about you three three okay what

04:59:19.700 about you uh i do not want to disclose that information because you want to do a range

04:59:24.900 instead of like an accident like just a range no i mean like that's you don't have my sexual

04:59:30.820 activity is what's going on between me and my partner the whole world doesn't need to know

04:59:34.500 how many people i had intercourse with or anything like that that's me and my personal business so

04:59:38.980 sure i'm just not going to answer that six okay zero my husband just one

04:59:47.700 mm-hmm plead the fifth oh nick you

04:59:53.780 okay nick if someone talks to you you still got to prioritize like

04:59:58.100 uh okay should we go again i no i mean okay zero one what was it plead the fifth plead the fifth

05:00:05.620 what's yours multiply it by three and that's the real i also plead the fifth i do not i do not

05:00:10.660 disclose that information that's my answer to that um let's see i'm trying to what if he prefers a

05:00:16.260 woman with a low body count i would assume you have a very low body count also right no i don't

05:00:20.580 think that i and i don't think it would even make you hypocritical if as a guy you had a high body

05:00:26.980 count but you had a preference for a woman with a low body count i don't think it makes you hypocritical

05:00:31.060 why not because men and women are different no one disagrees that men and women are different but

05:00:35.620 why doesn't it make you hypocritical because it's because because you need not possess a trait to desire

05:00:42.180 it in a partner in the same way that short women like tall men in the same way that

05:00:46.580 non-funny women like funny men yo stop fucking interrupting please you can't sleep with one let me

05:00:52.340 finish my fucking points genital herpes condoms don't protect you it makes you 7x more likely to

05:00:59.060 contract hiv sexual battery if you don't disclose to future partners and taking kidney damaging

05:01:06.020 medication for life body count matters uh yo jay butler yes and body hiv thing isn't even a crime in

05:01:15.860 california though oh my god bro what was that was that the modem was that the modem nick

05:01:26.020 that got hit

05:01:26.580 okay um what if she had a high body count but she completely like renounced her past like whole life

05:01:36.580 and kind of like changed became like super religious became like i'm never gonna sleep

05:01:40.420 with somebody again until i unless i marry them what what are you asking me what would i date her no no

05:01:48.100 no okay i'm just saying like can disqualify her if you have a high body count even if it's in your

05:01:53.060 past even if you change okay yeah yep it's just like yeah it's don't want to date with a woman

05:02:03.300 can i ask you a question go ahead so what age range do you typically go for when you date women what age

05:02:11.700 range yeah i'd say generally generally speaking i generally date women around my age so late 20 or

05:02:20.100 late 20s to early 30s i've dated women older than me late 30s i've dated women so relatively like 25

05:02:27.300 and up i've dated women in their mid 40s uh well i dated i shouldn't say brian i've dated one woman

05:02:34.580 but i'm just saying like 25 and up well i mean again generally speaking i would say most of the women

05:02:40.900 i date are around my age but if some hottie 20 20 21 year old dm'd me i would date a 21 year old

05:02:50.740 but what if they had a high body count huh what if they had a high body count at 21 yeah at any age

05:02:58.500 it's undesirable for a partner for me but so you're saying that you would want to get with a 21 year old

05:03:05.060 that's fine if she was a hottie but that's not what yeah you said if she was a hottie and she was

05:03:10.660 21 you'd be down to date her right but are you trying to weave this in but she has a high body

05:03:15.220 count is that no no no i'm trying to bring in something else okay go ahead so and then i said

05:03:22.100 well she has a high body count and then you were like she has a high body count being 21.

05:03:26.100 are you arriving at the point yeah like how does that are you trying to insinuate that if she has

05:03:34.420 a high body count it's a no it doesn't matter what her age if she has a high body count it's

05:03:38.820 undesirable are you asking like what's high for 21 no no i don't know there wasn't a point oh i thought

05:03:49.300 there wasn't a point at all you're just no it's i mean it's fair question to ask like it's a fair

05:03:55.300 question to ask what's the age range that you date that's valid question um here let's move on

05:04:03.860 a really quick uh hmm surprising that you dated a woman older than you

05:04:09.540 why is that surprising there are plenty of attractive there's attractive i never said

05:04:13.940 they weren't attractive i'm just saying based off your like a lot of your other preferences or whatever

05:04:18.740 with like how you're like the biological urges and stuff like that a woman who's older is like

05:04:23.300 her fertility window is closing i don't know if you care about those things maybe you don't

05:04:26.980 like by dating a woman who's like in her 40s you're already kind of accepting that you probably

05:04:30.740 won't like have children with her but maybe you don't want kids yeah but i mean you could i mean

05:04:34.980 in certain periods of your life maybe you're just looking to casually date again like

05:04:41.540 you there are attractive women of varying ages i would say generally speaking like

05:04:46.180 generally okay i would say generally speaking men are most attracted to women between the age of like

05:04:54.420 18 to 25 from a purely physical perspective like physical looks but yeah i don't know is there ever

05:05:03.300 is there like an age gap for you that's like you wouldn't do like you won't date a woman who's like

05:05:08.180 10 years your senior or like if you connect you don't care oh i mean i did again i dated a woman this

05:05:14.660 was even like two or three years ago i think i was 30 31 uh i did a woman who was 45 granted she

05:05:21.380 didn't have kids she was very attractive i think that's kind of cool though um she was cool but

05:05:29.700 i mean generally speaking do i did that was the only woman in her 40s i ever dated so uh but yeah i mean

05:05:38.340 i don't know if that adequately answers the question but i was curious but i mean generally

05:05:45.700 speaking like if like for example a 21 year old probably less likely probably more physically

05:05:50.900 attractive then she will be at 31 then she will be at 41 uh from just a purely physical looks thing and

05:05:57.460 then probably fewer fewer bodies fewer past um relationship trauma and baggage so there are

05:06:04.660 definitely some pros to dating a younger adult woman compared to you know someone who's older

05:06:11.220 was it a red flag to you that she was 45 and single and didn't really have like you're saying

05:06:15.940 she's very attractive i assume she didn't really have like i guess a lot of relationship experience

05:06:18.980 you should she'd never been married was that a red flag to you um i mean not necessarily i think

05:06:23.460 she had been in a long she was like in a 10-year relationship or something and um but uh yeah

05:06:30.020 oh okay yeah so uh final question kind of related to my question about uh any preferences that men have

05:06:38.660 that you disagree with and i'm gonna start with aaron on this one actually maybe i start with you

05:06:46.020 we'll go i don't know i'll figure it out um do you object to men not wanting to date a transgender woman

05:06:54.500 no okay well maybe i'll just we'll start with you and then go um i simply just don't think it's

05:07:02.420 any of my concern what do you mean like you you don't care either way like it's none of my business

05:07:12.820 i think it's fine to have genital preferences so but you're you'd be fine then like if a guy said hey

05:07:18.660 i don't want to date a transgender person you're cool with that like you'd be fine with that if a guy

05:07:22.900 told the transgender person that he didn't want to date her would yeah be fine with me no just he

05:07:29.700 blanket did not want to date a transgender woman do you object to that or you think that's fine

05:07:35.300 i think it's like that's their business that's their thing you know what i mean would you judge

05:07:42.180 them for it you're saying it's she's fine that it doesn't matter to her no um i if they don't want

05:07:47.700 to date a transgender person they shouldn't have to um okay yeah i don't object i don't object

05:07:53.700 saying your preference is your preference okay sure that doesn't that doesn't make him what about

05:07:58.740 racial preference no no no no no okay yeah that doesn't make him and if he does want to does that

05:08:05.700 make him gay or no no no no they're allowed to that doesn't make him no choose they're not gonna

05:08:11.220 freedom of choice gay men don't date trans women yeah i know but i think they do but yeah

05:08:20.580 they do go on mary mary please uh what say it say what

05:08:31.540 all right i'm gonna do these last chats we have grid one motorsports hey thank you man scientifically

05:08:36.500 body count matters as it is proven to have negative potential for relationships high chance of

05:08:41.060 divorce and cheating psychologically no man wants a 30 foe lots of other reasons too okay thank

05:08:47.300 you grid one appreciate it we have asian bandit i want that blonde religious girl in the back in

05:08:52.580 black oh okay i didn't sorry i didn't see the i just started reading it okay i'm not gonna i'm

05:08:59.220 sorry i yeah we have uh i clicked it i started reading it i didn't see the rest whatever

05:09:06.740 i thought he donated again we have fally here coming up in just a sec fally says i am now very

05:09:13.780 grateful for finding this podcast because it gives me something in the background to listen to while

05:09:17.540 playing my games fally what games are you playing dude thank you for making this platform brian also

05:09:22.820 aaron is the only girl so far who excessively wants your opinion on everything excessively excessively

05:09:28.580 oh man are you hitting on him no i have a boyfriend

05:09:35.540 okay i think the chat is gonna ship watch out i don't think so oh whoops hold on um all right

05:09:42.020 any final thoughts before we wrap up speak now or forever hold your peace

05:09:46.740 final thought anybody abigail i know you got some hot takes to drop

05:09:49.780 like what you got some hot bombs i mean i can't think of anything on the spot but if you want

05:09:56.660 to hear what i have to say i have a youtube abigail kintner follow it that's all i have to say okay

05:10:00.660 what do you think about feminism abby i think it's destructive i think um i don't i don't really

05:10:08.100 i don't think feminists are as evil as we paint them to be i think they have good intentions uh most do at

05:10:14.580 least but uh i think it turned into something very damaging uh because it affected the natural

05:10:20.980 dynamic between a man and a woman not only in relationships but societally i think the patriarchy

05:10:26.020 is good because men are meant to lead and so they did a decent job leading uh so i think women are more

05:10:33.140 fulfilled when they have kids and they don't have to work generally there might be an exception to the

05:10:38.340 rule but feminism is pushing women to work it's damaging they should be mothers you know

05:10:44.420 yada yada i feel like we've all heard it that was beautiful that was beautiful okay uh let me just

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05:12:08.100 that was torture thanks for having us five hours yeah it was five hours and was sunday fun uh sunday was

05:12:16.980 better sunday is better i don't know the panel is a bit big and a lot of little disruptions and whatnot and

05:12:23.140 i just yeah it's um feels like dave was only here for like five minutes looking back on it it's

05:12:29.140 weird yeah ricardo in my uh chat here i don't know if ricardo's still watching he did say that dave

05:12:36.420 rubin's question was done in bad faith and i do think it was kind of a bad faith question but i mean

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Whatever Podcast - October 25, 2023

Dave Rubin, Timcast Mary vs. Kicked Off Erin! (HEADACHE) ｜ Dating Talk #112

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