Whatever Podcast - Did She CHEAT？! Men Make ZERO Effort？! They DEMAND Traditional Men BUT Are THEY Traditional？! ｜ Dating Talk #217

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00:02:26.980 we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age

00:02:30.840 location and occupation go ahead hi my name is rogue i'm 32 years old

00:02:37.360 um i am a student going into radiology i also um work at a plastic surgery office i do only fans

00:02:46.300 um and i also teach pole dancing that's a new thing how to add that on there so yeah

00:02:53.280 um and you're 32 right yes okay uh did you get your bachelor's degree i'm working on that now i have

00:03:02.640 my associates in science and did you say where you're from reno reno sorry reno go ahead um hi

00:03:09.320 i'm maya i'm 24 i live in california but i moved from michigan a few months ago and i do only fans

00:03:17.760 and i would love to take a pole dancing class from you i'm so bad at it you said you're uh 34 is that

00:03:24.060 24 oh 24 my mistake my mistake and you said you're from michigan you said yes okay and what's the what

00:03:31.980 kind of content you do on of i do anything you ask me to do okay my nixon okay bye all right uh what

00:03:40.600 about you hello my name is sienna and i'm 21 years old and i live in torrance california and i'm currently

00:03:49.760 a student at el camino college all right sorry your your age again 21 years old 21 okay uh what are

00:03:56.940 you studying um you can go ahead more just go ahead well um i'm just kind of finishing all the

00:04:04.140 just grab it just grab it go ahead i'm just finishing all the i guess you requirements requirements

00:04:10.860 first for me to be able to like go into my major which is most likely going to be psychology

00:04:16.360 okay all right what about you uh hi i'm kiki i'm 20 years old i live in los angeles and i'm currently

00:04:24.420 a student i study digital marketing all right uh welcome what about you i'm melissa i'm from los

00:04:30.880 angeles california i do social media coordinating and what's the other question

00:04:36.680 i'm from la

00:04:40.600 and sorry age again 20 23 23 okay and you're from la okay uh school at all um i went to massage

00:04:52.120 therapy school i'm a certified massage therapist all right are you doing that for work or not

00:04:56.640 currently um right now i'm a social media coordinator for a nail company okay did you ever do that as a

00:05:04.100 profession massage yeah yeah well i went to school i practiced for a bit but my job takes up most of my

00:05:10.540 time all right are you ever going to go back to it or possibly okay all right what about you hey i'm

00:05:17.120 madison i'm from san francisco california i do only fans i teach pilates and i also work in a dental

00:05:24.280 office and i'm 35 years old all right any schooling or anything like that yeah i have multiple

00:05:31.100 associates degrees in what in natural science and dental hygiene okay all right what about you

00:05:37.060 i'm alexis i'm 23 i live in los angeles i'm a flight attendant and a bartender

00:05:42.600 all right you said 23 right yes all right how long you've been a flight attendant for for a year and a

00:05:48.720 half and you do uh international what kind of flights international but mostly domestic mostly

00:05:54.840 domestic okay what about you hi i'm gianna i'm 18 i'm from los angeles and i'm a model

00:06:01.700 all right uh welcome welcome all right uh andrew what about you what kind of model

00:06:08.460 i do runway and print modeling okay

00:06:12.520 all right uh that's everybody's introduction we're gonna go around the table once more what's

00:06:20.380 everybody's relationship status so uh are you single talking stage situationship married whatever

00:06:27.440 it is if you're single how long have you been single and what's the hold on let me take yeah we

00:06:35.360 might have to uh figure that out andrew is echoing andrew is echo is it bad chat is it bad we're testing

00:06:45.040 out a different audio thing hang on sometimes it sounds like i'm echoing for just a couple of

00:06:51.020 seconds and then the echo will go away okay that's just the way the discord works so because i did hear

00:06:57.900 a bit of an echo uh right at the beginning but it should be fine now okay we i'm gonna step away for a

00:07:07.640 moment to go figure that out in just a moment um but for now we'll just get everybody's relationship

00:07:13.120 introductions go ahead um i am a bisexual polyamorous person so i have a boyfriend currently looking

00:07:20.700 for a girlfriend and i've been with my boyfriend for almost four years okay is this the longest

00:07:26.920 relationship you've ever had no my longest relationship was seven years and i was married

00:07:31.480 before all right what about you i'm single and i've been single for two years all right longest

00:07:38.420 relationship two years was that the relationship that ended two years ago no all right uh the most

00:07:47.460 recent relationship that ended two years ago who broke up with who i broke up with him and then the

00:07:52.740 two-year relationship your longest relationship who broke up with who i broke up with him okay and then

00:07:58.440 uh you've been single for two years uh what's during that two-year period what's the longest period of

00:08:04.740 time you were seeing anybody in any capacity i've gone a few months with like one or two people but

00:08:12.980 i've mostly just been like i don't know i've just been at home with my cat mostly i've just been

00:08:18.680 on my own on my own little thing okay um are you currently uh is there any guy in the picture

00:08:26.420 currently in any fashion there's not a single person so there's multiple people i don't know no

00:08:33.700 i don't even talk to anybody right now okay so you just have you just invite them over you guys

00:08:40.580 well actually i met a nice cowboy like a week ago and i do have a crush on him but we're not like

00:08:46.340 seeing each other okay so yeah all right uh and then what about you um i'm single and i've been

00:08:55.220 single since november 8th so like three three weeks yes okay longest relationship two and a half years

00:09:05.540 is that the one that ended three weeks ago yes all right who broke up with who

00:09:09.620 um i'll just give a simple answer i i was the one that ended it officially like even though we

00:09:20.020 it was on and off for the last few months and um after that it was like we were either exclusive or

00:09:28.260 something but yeah i ended it for the time being um yeah i'm the one that did that okay and um

00:09:37.380 um let's see my friend huh yeah that's fine what about you uh i currently have a boyfriend and yeah

00:09:49.140 okay uh how long have you been in a relationship uh we just started dating

00:09:55.220 and she's she's she's like i'll love you

00:09:57.300 she has the glow uh sorry you said how you said how long uh like a month if that 0.91

00:10:09.060 one month uh longest relationship i was on and off with somebody for five years okay when did that

00:10:15.380 like end end um a couple months ago a couple months ago like three months ago no i don't know like just

00:10:22.180 a couple months okay and then you said you've been in a relationship for one month yeah how long did

00:10:29.140 you know this guy prior though um we met at la fashion week actually okay so you guys just we just met

00:10:36.740 yeah okay uh so what was the period of time between the end of your five-year relationship

00:10:43.140 and then meeting this new guy well it's really complicated because how so um so obviously i was

00:10:49.380 dating that guy like officially the my ex for a long time uh then we broke up like we broke up and

00:10:56.820 we were like kind of just more like friends honestly it's kind of a situation where you meet somebody

00:11:01.060 really young not really young but like you meet them you date and then you'll love each other as

00:11:05.860 friends forever and you can't accept the fact that like you shouldn't be together but you're still

00:11:10.500 good friends um so he's been my friend forever uh but i feel like i've been single in my heart for a

00:11:16.340 very long time but him and i would still hang out um as friends my ex um like until a couple months

00:11:22.500 ago really but yeah i've been single like single single for like maybe two years so him and i would

00:11:28.980 just like hang out i see single single for uh like two years two years okay then i have a boyfriend

00:11:34.980 all right uh what about you single all right how long you've been single for a month longest

00:11:44.420 relationship four years is that the one that ended a month ago sure is have you ever been on and off

00:11:50.180 again with the four-year guy yes what's the longest period of time you've been off with him

00:11:57.060 five months when's the last time you spoke to him yesterday did you see him in person no

00:12:03.220 when's the last time you saw him in person a month ago a month ago why did you speak to him

00:12:09.300 yesterday um because i needed him to get out my apartment you guys still live together no i moved

00:12:16.100 out a month ago but you said you need him to he's he's in my apartment i moved in with my sister broke

00:12:21.940 into your apartment no we were living together as of yesterday no i moved out last month when we broke

00:12:28.100 up moved in with my sister oh and we've been broken up for this month but it's your apartment it is

00:12:33.060 my apartment wait and this is for four years that's your longest relationship right but it was on

00:12:39.300 again off again on again off again for four years how many times was it off and on like three three

00:12:46.020 times and then going back to you really quick you said you were your five years countless how many

00:12:50.580 times literally countless off and on like countless countless times like yeah yeah we just we uh we met

00:12:57.380 when we were 14 so okay kind of crazy more than more than 10 yeah i mean maybe i don't know we yeah

00:13:04.020 than 50 we've been i don't know um we dated like solidly for like two years i want us i don't really

00:13:10.900 know it's been forever i'm 20 i was 14 that's crazy i'll just say i'll say like 10 plus then and for you

00:13:16.420 it's three um you guys uh are in the process of breaking up i need to get up for a little bit so

00:13:22.820 perhaps you can do a bit of an extended explanation of your relationship uh so what the nature of

00:13:29.700 the breakup while you're breaking up with him he was living the the living situation if you can go

00:13:34.340 into that yeah so he is an addict so obviously i wouldn't deal with that i tried to get him keep

00:13:41.540 him clean for four years but that didn't work out so this last time he relapsed i was like yeah no this

00:13:47.540 isn't gonna work i gotta do me go girl was he uh was he an addict when you met him um not that i

00:13:55.620 was aware i wasn't aware he was an addict not to the extent that he was how many times did he relapse

00:14:04.020 three three times huh over how many years four over four years what kind of uh what kind of drugs was he 0.77

00:14:13.940 on fentanyl oh geez yeah that's crazy damn okay uh

00:14:26.660 well hopefully you leaving him shakes him out of that he was uh he was floating it up huh 0.92

00:14:31.540 it's none of my business though

00:14:35.220 um what do you mean it was none of your business it's not my concern anymore anymore okay

00:14:40.340 uh when you guys had originally met was he using not that i was aware of were you guys both using

00:14:48.740 no you you're not doing any drugs or anything like that okay um so you guys had an apartment together

00:14:58.420 but it were you living there and then he moved in with you we moved in together last year and then

00:15:04.820 when we broke up it was my apartment it's all in my name and then um he moved back in like a few

00:15:10.740 months ago when we got back together was he paying you rent yeah okay but initially when you guys moved

00:15:16.980 even then it was in your name okay um so you're trying to get him evicted or what's the no he's gone

00:15:23.940 now oh he's just willingly leaving thank god yeah uh but i mean technically he was a tenant right so

00:15:30.100 technically california protects people who are staying in a house for like over 30 days or if

00:15:35.460 they pay money but so he uh he willingly left because you wanted him out yeah okay um how soon

00:15:44.260 into the relationship did you learn that he was an addict i want to say like five months five months

00:15:50.820 in it got progressively worse progressively worse insofar as like the types of uh yeah substances or yep

00:16:00.260 okay and uh were there any concerns that early on about the longevity longevity of the relationship or

00:16:10.820 um definitely across my mind but at that point in time i was young and dumb blind so i didn't see it

00:16:18.900 as much of a problem until it got really bad okay and uh how did you guys meet instagram instagram okay

00:16:28.980 you slid into his dms nope he slid into my dance he slid into your dms okay rapper

00:16:36.980 maybe no way soundcloud rapper stop he was on spotify i'll give him that um 0.99

00:16:46.500 how many face tattoos did he have none neck tattoo no penis tattoo no oh okay it was on his belly don't know 0.86

00:16:55.140 all right that's cool um i'm waiting to find a guy with one of those that's a thing it was cute so 0.90

00:17:03.140 i guess two final questions then you guys were on went on three separate breaks right yeah okay uh

00:17:09.300 were did you guys remain loyal during those breaks like did you date other people there was well this

00:17:15.380 last time yes you were dating some someone else and yeah because it was five months we were apart so yeah

00:17:19.860 okay and then were you still involved with that new guy when he came back or how did that work um

00:17:26.180 a little bit because i was unsure of where if we're gonna continue talking i didn't really want to but

00:17:32.980 he kind of finessed i'm not gonna lie but yeah i was still talking to the guy the last guy i was talking

00:17:38.660 to okay until we made it official sure and um

00:17:43.380 um you've been single for one month any rebound no nothing not yet not yet okay all right what about

00:17:54.260 you i am married my longest relationship is my marriage and it's been 17 years

00:18:01.780 well we've been together 17 years we haven't been married 17 years how long did you say did you say

00:18:08.180 that you were uh on only fans though correct do you do content with your husband yes i do

00:18:14.740 okay and so he's yeah so he's on only fans as well yes okay and does he do other types of uh

00:18:23.140 of that kind of work um you mean like in the adult industry no he should though yeah he really should he's

00:18:31.300 gifted do you do do you do any other types of content like uh with other people besides each

00:18:39.860 other um we always work together or myself just with other females um we work with other couples but

00:18:47.380 we don't do stuff like completely separate like where the other one isn't there at all even if they're

00:18:51.700 not in the scene they're like in the room maybe holding the camera or adjusting the lighting so it's

00:18:56.180 always a team effort yeah but do you do like do you do like bb bbg and bgg content it's more like bgbg

00:19:06.100 type stuff like couple swaps okay do you shoot content with other men only in the form of another

00:19:14.420 couple but not single men you're poly correct um not exactly i mean we play with other people

00:19:20.260 together but we don't date yeah you're also swinger i guess uh rogue you're poly you're a swinger or

00:19:26.580 um i am i would say poly okay yeah because i would be dating like i want to be another girl

00:19:33.220 uh so how long married uh eight years eight years together 17 uh and so you guys met

00:19:41.780 hold on when i was 18 18 yeah like high school you're trying to do the math yeah high school

00:19:47.140 sweethearts or um my high school sweetheart i was just about to graduate from high school

00:19:51.860 but he's older than i am so yeah he was like uh 26.

00:19:58.980 what you met wait did you guys meet when you were 18 though yeah i was 18 you were 18 when when you met

00:20:04.260 yes okay huh um and then uh hey 18 you know uh okay and then how soon into the

00:20:17.060 relationship were you guys i guess engaging in orgies or whatever um that started in like 2020

00:20:26.820 so it's and it's long-term scheme of things it's relatively recent for us so you guys were monogamous

00:20:32.820 for the first uh essentially 13 years of your relationship no cheating no no opening no okay

00:20:40.740 yeah and then who brought up who brought to who that you guys wanted to uh i guess open things up

00:20:47.380 um i think it was like a really slow conversation we both were kind of into the idea that just like

00:20:54.340 evolved over time and ultimately we both decided we wanted to have a threesome with a girl but didn't

00:21:00.100 really know where to start so it's a lot of talk for a long time so i guess the idea started more

00:21:04.900 maybe like 2017 so like three years before we ever actually acted on anything and then

00:21:10.740 covet hit and we're like f it let's hit tinder world's ending let's just do it how long have

00:21:16.500 you been doing sex work uh since 2021 so you know like a year and a half no no like stripping before 0.97

00:21:22.660 that or anything like that okay so you went pretty much right into the of is that correct yeah any sort

00:21:28.420 of um like sugar daddy stuff or anything no no okay all right uh and uh but you'll net you've never

00:21:36.180 done a scene with another man absent your husband correct okay uh what about you like into the mic i'm

00:21:43.940 single i've only been in two relationships one situationship that felt like a relationship but two

00:21:51.460 real ones um the first one lasted four years uh we were all through high school together and then

00:21:58.260 uh my second boyfriend was um i met him through bumble okay uh so you've been single for how long

00:22:05.860 damn um since 2020 since 2021 so three years there you go longest relationship four years four years 0.55

00:22:14.100 is that the one that ended three years ago no the four-year relationship who ended it uh me the one 0.98

00:22:21.860 that ended three years ago who ended it no the oh uh that one he did all right okay uh gianna what about

00:22:30.900 you single um last release trip was a few years ago and it was like about a year or so all right uh so

00:22:41.380 you've been single for three years you said yeah about okay so you're 15. mm-hmm okay uh ended one

00:22:50.900 year ago uh any guys currently in the picture no nothing no zero zero last time on a date

00:22:58.980 um a few months ago last time hanging out with a man with either a romantic and or sexual interest

00:23:03.780 a few months ago a few months ago celibate for how long oh didn't you say a month ago a minute yeah 0.98

00:23:11.380 yeah it is oh so you did hang out with somebody a month ago where there was a unless you fucked a guy 0.90

00:23:16.900 with zero that you had zero romantic or sexual interest in which i suppose happened was it the 0.99

00:23:22.820 woman could have been what was it a woman it wasn't no oh okay and um what else oh what about you uh

00:23:32.980 any guys in the picture right now currently anything no nothing no nobody nothing no just

00:23:40.020 um you know whoever i want to hit up for some fun in that moment but that's it when's the last time

00:23:45.860 you did that last week okay and is this like a sneaky link like you've seen them previously i've known him

00:23:52.340 for like two years already um yeah we're just good f buddies how often do you guys um link how often

00:24:02.580 not that often because he just moved to uh california he used to live in chicago we met in vegas during

00:24:08.420 edc weekend okay and we just talked ever since like he's cool he's really cool is the audio why don't

00:24:16.020 i date him i know he's he's just i don't know do i want not hubby material no i feel like he still

00:24:28.100 has a lot to learn just banging material and just banging material he's really good at sex that's all

00:24:34.740 damien and the audio mixer scroll it over and enable the twitch alerts i think that's or wait

00:24:40.340 hold on hey chat tell us if you're you get uh tell us if you get echo on this

00:24:50.100 metro mac donated two hundred dollars men delete your of accounts let's send the simpdemic we control 0.79

00:24:58.340 the power to return the world to a functioning order this needs to be pushed more can i say something to

00:25:05.540 that sure um you you donated two hundred dollars just to say that and like you could get so much

00:25:12.420 for two hundred dollars on of or you could just not spend the two hundred dollars so i'm just saying

00:25:17.620 she's like i subscribe 200 is a lot just to say that i mean he he had a uh

00:25:25.620 he had a windfall recently with doge and pepe and uh shiba inu andrew sounds like it seems like you

00:25:34.740 might have a response here thank you metro matt by the way yeah why would he want to go and subscribe 0.71

00:25:40.580 to nasty prostitutes on only fans like why would he want to do that that's that's super gross or he 0.54

00:25:47.300 could just not i mean that i wasn't saying actually i did say that i guess but i wasn't saying like it's 0.98

00:25:52.900 this or this but like two hundred dollars to say something is this is crazy to support the the type

00:25:58.740 of content that you like to support where people can have conversations from all over the world it's

00:26:02.660 very interesting they enjoy that but then to kind of uh immediately assault the value structure by

00:26:08.660 saying oh no you should go watch prostitution that just seems kind of counterintuitive right

00:26:14.020 no you're right you're right yeah

00:26:15.700 that's it that's all you guys got that's all i got if you want to that's how yeah you can spend

00:26:24.260 your money however you want whether it be only fans or well it seems like uh a lot of people spend

00:26:29.540 a lot of money on only fans like porn and all that is a billion dollar industry so i mean it seems like

00:26:35.700 a lot of people like it if there wasn't a demand for it it wouldn't be around million yeah millions and

00:26:41.220 millions it's true who here does of i'm not sure that it's a like a great statement though to say

00:26:49.220 that well because lots and lots of people do bad things and that means that we should continue to

00:26:53.540 perpetuate bad things what what would you what would you um sorry um what would you constitute as

00:26:59.220 something that's bad though well here let's just see if we can't uh let's just see if we can't break

00:27:04.980 it down so we'll start with me right so i smoke cigarettes i'd say that that's probably bad for

00:27:11.300 instance if my kid came to me and said hey dad can i have a smoke i'd be like ah no you can't have a

00:27:16.500 smoke okay smoking's bad i probably shouldn't smoke right i'm trying to quit that kind of thing so let

00:27:23.220 me just ask you if you're i don't know 18 year old daughter came to you and said hey mom thinking 1.00

00:27:27.620 about being a prostitute on the internet would you be like oh okay sounds good i'd be like it paid my 0.83

00:27:32.340 away through college so yes well well i do think that smoking has like an actual physical harm on 0.98

00:27:39.060 your body i do it too so like whatever but like that has an actual i mean i'm not saying that sex

00:27:43.700 work can't have a physical harm on your body because it can but um i wouldn't tell any of my children

00:27:49.380 to do any of that stuff just saying i'd let them just do what they want if they came to me at 18 and

00:27:54.580 said hey mom i want to join only fans i would say you know what here's a list of reasons why you know

00:28:00.980 it might not be the best idea here's a list of reasons why i found it like why i liked it and

00:28:05.220 did it for this long and i'd let them make their own decision because they're 18. i would agree with

00:28:10.020 that yeah i know that they can make their own decision nobody's saying that they can't do that

00:28:14.180 adults can make their own decisions the question is use the advisor right so me as the advisor in

00:28:19.460 the advisor role i can point to behavior i have that's probably not pristine and say you know i would

00:28:24.580 advise you not to do that it's probably not the best idea can't stop you from doing it but i would advise

00:28:29.620 you against it would you advise your daughter would you advise your daughter against it um i

00:28:35.060 no i wouldn't advise i wouldn't advise her against or to do it i would just say here's my

00:28:40.740 experience take what you will like i've had good and bad experiences if this is what you would like

00:28:45.620 your experience to be then like you're 18 you're of age make your own decisions i'll just tell her

00:28:50.180 what my experience is i feel like only fans is only she's looking for advice scooting to the table 0.89

00:28:55.940 she was she's like mom i'm conflicted what should i do i feel like if you're conflicted you shouldn't

00:29:00.980 do it i'd say write about it go to therapy talk to somebody about it they're talking to me yeah

00:29:05.620 she's talking to me and i and i'd say hey here's i told you what i'd say to her i would say you're

00:29:10.260 going to give her a neutral take i would say if you're conflicted don't do it all because it's

00:29:14.260 it is not something that anybody should just jump into lightly i agree but however it's not

00:29:19.300 something that's causing physical harm metro matt donated two hundred dollars chair two you literally

00:29:25.060 sell yourself for a mcdonald's sometimes less so sit down tune in all right thank you why is the

00:29:33.540 standard here this idea of only physical harm right nobody's saying that this could that this

00:29:40.420 causes direct physical harm though i'd argue it can um but rather there's no society that's made

00:29:47.060 better anywhere on planet earth with the usage of rampant prostitution there's not a single society 0.96

00:29:53.540 can point to that's made better because of that there's never going to be one that you can point

00:29:57.620 to that's made better because of that i mean so if we collectively are making decisions as a society

00:30:03.060 for what we want to see in it i think that it's pretty obvious that uh because the overwhelming

00:30:08.740 amount of trafficking human trafficking that comes with uh sex work which is it's overwhelming

00:30:14.660 the evidence on behalf of that and this is only in countries which legalize it it's pretty obvious

00:30:19.780 that it's something that collectively people should be pushing back against

00:30:25.140 um i would argue that decriminalizing things helps with that like just for an example the weed

00:30:31.700 industry nobody buys weed from drug dealers anymore they go to the store it's regulated it's safer

00:30:36.820 and then just yeah but the places that have criminalized prostitution have less human 0.94

00:30:42.020 trafficking the places that have legalized prostitution but do they have statistics on

00:30:45.780 rape and if rape has increased oh my god bro you guys do not listen sorry to the 0.99

00:30:49.860 fucking pre-show information holy yeah don't just use essay please it just stands for sexual 0.99

00:30:56.260 assault just use essay instead it's because if we're on uh we're on youtube we want to comply with 0.98

00:31:00.500 the terms of service so oh yeah that's all i had to say all right i'm just moving on onwards then

00:31:07.940 katarina you gotta you're below the threshold but you gotta dm out whatever 0.77

00:31:16.100 whatever fan donated two hundred dollars our f buddy is a great lay but not husband material and

00:31:22.740 guys are totally cool with that but women get mad when we say three hundred and fours are not

00:31:28.500 wife material and don't deserve long-term commitment what's three or fours oh i don't get mad when

00:31:36.180 people say that if that's who's this who's this directed to to me to you yeah do you have a response

00:31:42.020 or uh i don't know i'm reading i think y'all can talk i think the person who has the best answer for

00:31:49.380 this would be madison because she's been in the longest relationship at this table and she does

00:31:53.540 only fans what do you feel like this has changed your relationship at all with your it has made it

00:31:58.900 better it's enhanced it we were exploring new things and it's been a ton of fun and i challenge

00:32:04.580 andrew on the fact that sex work is inherently bad i agree it certainly can be bad human trafficking

00:32:10.500 is horrible and certain people maybe are very desperate and do it for the wrong reasons and do

00:32:15.060 put themselves in harm's way but that doesn't mean that's how everybody's going about doing it and that

00:32:19.860 is an all-encompassing truth for all sex work let me show you how divisive this is i'll explain

00:32:27.060 so when you say things like when you're talking about harm people tend to only look at harm

00:32:33.060 from their own personal metric of what they think would or wouldn't be harmful they never really

00:32:37.380 externalize how things that they do affect other people so for instance i find it harmful that you

00:32:43.460 call yourself married that's not a marriage that's an abomination from my from my perspective total

00:32:48.900 abomination is not a marriage it's a joke right but think about this you might not like from your

00:32:55.140 perspective you think that's really harsh or that's mean or that's this or that's that but isn't it

00:33:00.020 harmful to the value structure of the millions of men who think like me that you would cheapen and destroy

00:33:06.820 the thing that we sanctify that much by calling it marriage like and you just don't care right because

00:33:12.500 from your perspective well i'm not touching you i'm not touching you it's similar to when uh you of

00:33:18.820 girls will wear crosses inside of your porn shoots and it's like uh okay well let's just take the very 0.98

00:33:25.780 symbol of this entire religion and pervert it to the maximum extent right and and we're supposed to just 0.96

00:33:33.060 be like oh well that's okay we're just pushovers and doormats right it's like so anytime you're talking

00:33:38.100 about harm you seem to only internalize it you never extend it out to how it actually does affect

00:33:42.740 other people well i'm not a bible thumper so i don't believe in things being all holy and

00:33:48.820 sacred i mean you're internalizing it's a completely you only look at it from the prism of self okay now

00:33:54.820 you're interrupting me i was in the middle of my argument yeah i'm just explaining real quick though

00:33:58.420 that that that's going to my point that's all but go ahead um marriage can mean a lot of different

00:34:03.940 things to different people and we stood in front of our family and friends and committed our lives

00:34:08.580 to each other and we get to pick the terms on how that turns out and if we're both consenting adults

00:34:14.500 and are completely happy with it more power to us i don't need god or whoever you believe in to

00:34:21.300 agree with that because to me that means nothing yeah but and i don't wear a cross in my own this makes

00:34:27.540 this makes my point for me that when you think about things like harm or the principle of of what you're

00:34:33.620 doing in society you think of it from the position of yourself only from the position of you i'm not

00:34:38.580 hurting anybody not doing anything wrong we're two consenting adults should be able to do whatever we

00:34:43.300 want it's like okay well what about the greater duties that happen inside of society or forming

00:34:48.020 societies towards things that we want to see for future generations which we do have a duty for

00:34:52.660 we do have a duty to do this so the idea here is like sure you can say whatever you want you can

00:34:58.660 say this is a legitimate marriage this is uh this is a thing which is uh true and proper and it can

00:35:04.660 mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people it's like that's fine but let's not pretend

00:35:09.380 that it's not a complete and total assault on the values of millions of people who consider it to be

00:35:14.900 an abomination and that that's just dismissed because you just don't agree with those values

00:35:19.220 and it's like okay well that's not really you taking into account a harm principle that's just you

00:35:23.940 taking into account the me principle it's all about me and what i want well i think maybe actually

00:35:30.180 we're doing the world a service by showing them that there are alternative lifestyles available

00:35:34.740 and maybe that'll make you even happier than the one that society set you up to believe that you had to

00:35:39.300 have yeah and i would argue that christianity can be very horrible person on planet earth can make

00:35:47.300 the same argument you know like a drug addict can be like hey you know what all i'm doing is showing

00:35:53.060 future generations and the people around me that hey being a drug addict is just an alternative

00:35:57.540 lifestyle man and it could even be a better lifestyle than the one you're currently in bro

00:36:02.580 literally anybody could make uh could make that argument for any value structure that they want

00:36:07.700 and so what we do is we take a holistic approach we look at society as a whole we go

00:36:12.420 is this really good for it or is it really bad for it and any category you put uh only fans of

00:36:18.660 pornography into it's basically always bad for it very few yields of good most people come out of it

00:36:25.380 are damaged right the mental illness rates are over the top the amount of stds are over the top uh it

00:36:32.100 it's it promotes a lifestyle which is completely self-absorbed where you become the center of the

00:36:38.980 universe there's no greater duties to society or to family it's not it's not a good lifestyle to promote

00:36:44.500 never has been so you think well this is an attack on my values or what i believe it is but to be fair

00:36:51.540 right the the very fact that people engage in it is an assault on the values of millions who think

00:36:57.060 like me so it's like why is the harm only just one-sided that's what i've never understood it's like

00:37:02.980 it's very i agree the harm is dual-sided and i think that a lot of your values are harmful to society

00:37:09.380 and that's the beauty of america we all get to have our opinion our freedom to follow whatever

00:37:13.860 religion we want to or no religion at all and you get to have your values and i can have mine

00:37:19.140 and i would also argue that sex workers are very safe because the amount of testing and prevention

00:37:25.220 and conversations that take place over the average hookup in the regular dating world makes it a lot

00:37:30.660 safer can i also make a point hang on hang on before you get in let me respond about the argument

00:37:35.700 seeing you jump in the first one is like okay if that's what you value in america that you can kind

00:37:42.100 of do as thou wilt because uh because right now you're allowed to then you better value the rest of

00:37:47.220 what america is which is the value of the vote and the fact that millions more people begin thinking

00:37:53.380 like me as they get absorbed with degeneracy all around them than like you and what we do is we vote

00:37:58.980 out things like abortion and we vote out things like women's rights and we vote out the things that you 0.99

00:38:03.540 find really precious because you insist on promoting the most degenerate yet possible so if that is the

00:38:10.100 case then you can't cry over spilt milk when the other when the pendulum swings back and people snatch

00:38:15.860 that away from you you don't have anybody to blame except american values at that point and then over to

00:38:23.220 kind of the second call argument here is like yeah you can say that the values and structures that i have

00:38:29.540 you don't like or you think that they're harmful because uh well you know after all you're basically

00:38:35.300 just giving a graduated sexual education course to uh to anybody who wants to jump in on it but i

00:38:40.980 can point to a society where abstinence was the order of the day not very long ago and almost every

00:38:46.020 woman got married when they were virgin and there was no std rates and divorce was very very very low

00:38:51.380 so thank you for improving that society thank you for improving it look around isn't it way better

00:38:57.300 it's way better isn't it said nobody anywhere ever better for us i mean you have back then you had

00:39:03.300 wives that were on quaaludes and they were like the statistics you're saying like you're not actually 0.99

00:39:10.420 like first of all first of all this is a different one but like sex work there's girls who give five 1.00

00:39:17.060 sex on the street okay yeah i i bet that the std rate higher is higher with that there's girls who do 1.00

00:39:23.700 uh tip picks on only fans there that's not there's no correlation sex work is so broad and so you

00:39:31.300 saying like the i don't know like the std rate with is higher with girls who do only fans we all get

00:39:37.860 tested we all you're porn we all get tested we don't shoot with anyone who doesn't like for me to read

00:39:42.420 off the stats of how much higher it is with people who engage and sexual in any type of uh sexuality on 0.65

00:39:50.580 camera be it only fans with bg or uh or non-bg content or with just regular prostitution it or

00:39:58.660 which is regular corn it is significantly higher than this is that it was like how long ago then

00:40:05.380 it was how long ago before there was all this database to put into statistics what do you well

00:40:12.500 we've been keeping track of things like stds for a long long time of course we know that these i'm not

00:40:17.540 saying that we haven't wait wait hang on we know what these rates were pre-legalization of uh of

00:40:24.660 what we would consider degeneracy or uh when they began to rule that uh you know corn was protected

00:40:30.340 under the first amendment so this this very idea that you have that we just don't know is absurd we

00:40:35.540 do know we we do know we know exactly how low they were and they were a lot lower there's no doubt about

00:40:40.500 it well can't you just say that that would just be the general promiscuity of the of society because i

00:40:46.500 doubt that when somebody goes to a testing clinic and they say oh you have this they're like oh i'm

00:40:52.020 an only fans creator like i don't they don't ask you that yeah no no actually they do ask you that

00:40:58.580 there's well especially if you go into free yeah especially i mean there's certain but there's not

00:41:03.620 i'm gonna tell you they do indeed ask you that yes you're like by the way boxing her off can you

00:41:09.380 give her space all you need to do is take x amount of a sampling from an industry and test it to get a 1.00

00:41:14.740 really good idea of how prevalent it is in that industry in comparison to the general population

00:41:19.380 but the general population doesn't get tested nearly as much as only fans and sex and poor people

00:41:25.620 everybody stop hold on

00:41:37.220 go ahead yeah anyway i'll i'll let you um i'll let you respond i promise

00:41:42.260 well the general well the general public doesn't get tested nearly as much as we do so the numbers

00:41:47.300 are going to be different so yo i'll tell you what why don't you go ahead and make your argument and

00:41:52.820 then when you're done give me like the high sign or the signal and then i'll make the argument i just

00:41:56.580 did okay we'll do it again so i can hear it this time go ahead um this this isn't really about the

00:42:03.460 only fans this is just kind of um something that wait wait hang on can can before you jump in can i just

00:42:10.260 finish with her i'm almost done we're almost done i think of course can you just repeat what you just

00:42:13.940 said so that i understand what you just said um the general population doesn't get tested nearly as

00:42:20.580 much as people in the industry do before i got into the industry i didn't get tested at all and same

00:42:27.220 with all my friends who aren't in it and that is just a fact but like so yeah i mean numbers might show

00:42:34.020 higher because we're the ones getting tested yeah that would be called that would be called a sampling

00:42:39.780 bias and so inside of a study you take a sampling bias and you do what's called a compensation for

00:42:45.140 a sampling bias that's literally what it's called a control that's how you do a controlled study

00:42:49.860 so if you have a sampling bias where one particular demographic of a population is tested more heavily

00:42:54.500 than another you would create an offset for the purpose of that study that's literally how that's

00:42:59.860 done so that which what you're talking about there is easily accounted for okay i actually have some

00:43:06.580 thoughts on the whole std thing so um i think it was your position you said that the std rates are lower

00:43:13.300 among sex workers what's your position i didn't state that there were any i wasn't quoting any

00:43:17.380 statistics i just said that i feel that it can be safer because people are more conscientious about

00:43:23.380 testing and using protection and having those conversations that many people would think is

00:43:28.020 uncomfortable in the heat of the moment you got to talk about all that stuff before you start

00:43:31.380 filming yeah so a couple things and then i'll know what your position is your position that the std rate

00:43:36.100 is lower among no i literally actually don't know the rates i'm just saying that like

00:43:42.020 i don't know i i know that before i got in the industry versus now i get tested well so here's

00:43:47.780 here's kind of the i guess the line of the conversation just as of 20 yeah 2011 just to just to tell you

00:43:52.820 um the studies found that gonorrhea rates alone were 64 times higher than the general population

00:44:00.580 and 18 18 times higher than los angeles county which is considered one of the most promiscuous

00:44:06.900 in the world uh for residents 18 to 29 so 18 times higher than the most promiscuous county they could

00:44:13.700 find and 64 times higher than the general population so yeah i would say um they're higher they're a lot

00:44:21.860 higher yeah but that statistic is 2011. that was 14 years ago yeah yeah but do you want to see

00:44:27.460 what what it's like in modern times even it's not any better i mean i would like to know uh just

00:44:33.140 education for myself study from 2023 i have no problem saying i'm wrong well it's not gonna be

00:44:37.300 from 2023 likely but probably 2021 2022 you wouldn't see a huge fluctuation in a couple of years

00:44:43.140 usually like when i look up things like the latest one will be 2023 2024 i'm not disagreeing with

00:44:47.940 that either um may i speak on the other thing no not yet not not the yes of an std of stds yeah hold

00:44:55.140 on just a sec so i guess the confusion here is that i believe andrew cited well one of the i guess

00:45:02.660 downfalls of sex the sex work industry is the higher incidence rate of stds both of you kind of argued

00:45:08.340 that well this this really isn't the case um although it is there's studies to back this up and then

00:45:14.420 further i mean you guys mentioned testing you guys are both doing only fans do you shoot in the

00:45:18.340 traditional you shoot in the traditional porn industry correct no you don't no you've never

00:45:25.940 i don't traditional porn industry i don't shoot mainstream porn mainstream

00:45:30.660 porn i don't shoot mainstream porn no you only do only fans only do only fans same with me i mean

00:45:36.100 we do a bit of research on the panelists beforehand you can look it up i've never done any mainstream

00:45:41.940 porn i don't know who you were seeing but it wasn't me i promise okay but you've done collaborations with

00:45:48.500 other people and it's been distributed on their platforms only on only fans on your only fans or

00:45:53.140 my only fans and other people's only fans but never mainstream porn you can't find any of my videos on

00:45:58.580 like porn hub okay um but you do shoot men uh scenes with men correct yes okay and my i could

00:46:07.300 perhaps you guys can inform me on this is there uh only fans does not compel you to get tested correct

00:46:14.500 no but we are just but you guys do it we just do it of course i wouldn't shoot with anybody who

00:46:19.460 doesn't have you guys ever not done testing before shooting i've never not in my life and we also use

00:46:25.780 protection in addition to testing really i don't but i mean a lot of but if we're if i if somebody

00:46:31.300 shows me a clean test within x amount of days and i show them a clean test in x amount of days we're

00:46:36.100 good to shoot and so uh these tests though they're not full panel tests they are full panel tests no

00:46:41.700 they're not uh do they test for herpes and hpv yes they do they don't yes they do no they don't they

00:46:48.100 don't test for herpes typically the ones that i do test for it really yeah you have to ask for it

00:46:53.700 but they can't do i don't know what you're talking about well my understanding when we've had plenty

00:46:58.500 of only fans girls and people in the traditional porn industry they typically are not testing for

00:47:02.660 herpes even in the general population if you go to like a doctor and you ask for an std test

00:47:08.100 they're not testing you for herpes like you need to specifically ask for this it's a bit more

00:47:12.340 complicated of a uh thing to do so it totally is and i i mean if you want what next time you get

00:47:19.380 up like you can show me your most recent std test i'd be curious to see if it includes herpes but

00:47:23.300 totally do it sure it could be the case you've gotten you got a full panel std test my understanding

00:47:28.900 that we've had a lot of people in the traditional porn industry and this carries on into the

00:47:33.300 uh only fans industry because there's a bit of crossover there uh herpes is pretty prevalent

00:47:38.420 in the traditional porn industry in fact they don't really test is prevalent in the entire world

00:47:43.060 it's five percent or like what is it one in five people have herpes and it actually only tests

00:47:48.900 positive like not only but like it's it's very rare that it tests positive if you don't have an

00:47:53.300 active outbreak do you test positive for herpes never tested positive for herpes oh okay i've never

00:47:58.740 had an outbreak also so well there's a difference i mean doesn't that just mean you may have it but

00:48:04.100 you don't know that's how it's like with all of us yeah so there's hold on yeah sure but i mean

00:48:09.460 there would be a risk assessment difference but also you can only really contract herpes if somebody's

00:48:13.860 having a breakout well it's it's very and they can also take antivirals yeah so i mean there's hsv1

00:48:21.540 there's hsv2 there's uh like oral herpes genital herpes this sort of thing but people can be like

00:48:27.540 pre-symptomatic so there might not even be like a ongoing outbreak but it's the beginning of one and

00:48:33.220 it's like at a very small micro level and you can still contract it also condoms don't really i mean

00:48:38.180 but this is also like with anyone you have sex with to be honest and so yes like but i i like

00:48:43.940 sex workers have a higher uh partner count though than the general public i've had lower partner

00:48:49.940 counts since i've been in sex work but yes i know most sex workers might but yeah i don't know i'm

00:48:55.220 very careful now i just i if you i don't i don't have sex with a random person if they don't show me a 0.63

00:48:59.460 full panel test so sure yeah i understand that um that due to the nature of that industry many people

00:49:05.620 would want to take additional precautions like i get it i understand it's like any job right if you

00:49:10.740 were a welder you would definitely want to wear uh welding gloves and a and a mask and this type of

00:49:16.020 thing because this was the like an occupational hazard uh but here's the thing even if you wear

00:49:23.060 welding gloves and a welding mask and you're a welder you still have a higher chance of getting

00:49:26.980 a welding burn than somebody who doesn't weld and that's the whole point right that's what i agree

00:49:31.940 i hang on hang on so the whole the whole point here is just to say that even if it were the case

00:49:37.780 even if it were let's just granted for the sake of argument that sex workers had less stds than 0.98

00:49:42.660 the general population which is not true but let's just assume for a second it was i can i have a sure

00:49:48.100 surefire 100 way that you can avoid stds can you think of what it could be don't have sex yeah it's

00:49:54.820 pretty simple right yeah we're all gonna have sex in arguable logic isn't it uh going over to you

00:50:00.580 you had uh maybe something on the std thing and then something unrelated go ahead um i don't i just 0.99

00:50:09.540 it was like a stupid thought i'm well i um i guess when he mentioned the gonorrhea and everything i

00:50:18.340 actually like agree that you like that in hookup culture that like i think it could be encouraged 0.97

00:50:28.580 to also like not give what i don't want to say the head am i allowed to say that yeah you can say that

00:50:36.340 um i think it should be encouraged not to like you know immediately give head the first time that you

00:50:41.060 see someone just because you know you again like it could be gonorrhea it could be you know a multitude

00:50:48.820 of of things and um usually people don't really care about that because it's just head and then

00:50:54.340 they'll use a condom after when they're doing it but i just think that in both ways sometimes it could

00:51:00.180 be avoided i know maybe it's less fun but what was your other thing oh about divorce i think you had

00:51:06.020 something else you wanted to jump in on that was that was it about that one and then just like

00:51:11.780 divorce i was just going to say something i was just i was going to ask him a question sometimes too

00:51:15.540 like these these combos can get kind of heated or this type of thing it's perfectly okay for you to

00:51:20.180 to uh to jump in with your thoughts and things like that we don't want you to feel discouraged

00:51:23.540 from doing that you literally told her to stop yeah until we were done with our section

00:51:29.060 and now you're telling her to jump in may i ask well no i was telling her to jump in with

00:51:32.740 her thoughts now that the conversation we were just having was done go ahead um just about divorce

00:51:37.940 i understand from your point of view that divorce rates have gone up higher and that sort of thing

00:51:44.740 when divorce rates were lower do you think that uh domestic am i allowed to just like domestic

00:51:57.700 domestic that's domestic stuff was less talked about but still occurring and that it would have

00:52:04.740 been better i mean not that a high divorce rate is good but i'm saying that if you need to get out of

00:52:10.260 it and it's not you're not so before i have andrew answer this question what do you think were the rates

00:52:16.020 of domestic violence uh in years past like do you think it was like orders of magnitude on that

00:52:23.220 okay so i'm not going to say something i don't know of but i'm just i'm just but the implication

00:52:28.980 here is that like well back in the day like domestic violence the rates of domestic violence

00:52:33.780 we're getting divorced was kind of looked down upon in some families and some religions which i

00:52:39.060 understand but um if now it's kind of more of a common thing that you know to hear about divorce

00:52:46.660 how about this instead of that of the marriage of the divorce rate that currently exists what

00:52:53.540 percentage would be attributed to domestic violence i'm not sure what do you think

00:53:03.860 in in just our country yeah currently currently sure i don't you you can't you don't need to be

00:53:12.980 precise like it's 13 because i haven't looked this up you could say i think it's less than five

00:53:17.460 i think it's less than ten percent so divorce is due to domestic violence yeah um my very uneducated

00:53:24.980 guess might be 30 35 35 35 so that in and this would this also apply to uh relationships too the

00:53:34.820 domestic violence rate in all relationships is 35 i was saying marriage no just marriage just a

00:53:41.220 guess i would assume that the rates have actually gone down significantly considering that there

00:53:45.540 would be penalization for doing things right it is a federal offense and i believe so a battery

00:53:50.820 maybe not federal but a battery is still you actually can't get certain jobs with background

00:53:54.820 checks if you haven't like offended people in such manners i mean battery has and andrew perhaps you

00:54:00.020 can jump in on this uh battery has always been a crime regardless of it being a crime or not it

00:54:06.020 still doesn't inhibit your ability to get a job if you have a serious background check maybe you have

00:54:10.260 you know a serious job and they kind of look that up like that will inhibit you getting a job

00:54:14.500 and i think more recently especially with like current movements i would definitely assume that

00:54:18.740 the abuse rate it's not completely down but i would assume that it's significantly decreased with the

00:54:23.780 amount of awareness ever since the 1970s if i'm not mistaken divorce has become a little bit more

00:54:28.740 mainstream kind of after the whole you know 1950s nuclear family and then the 1970s with kind of like

00:54:34.820 the sexual revolution bleeding into the 80s and now it's because of no fault divorce pardon me it's

00:54:40.900 because of no fault divorce so you used to have to be able to you used to have to show cause for why

00:54:45.860 you wanted to get a divorce now you don't have to do that there's no there's no it's no fault so you

00:54:50.980 don't have to show any cause you can just get divorced for whatever reason you want yeah yeah but

00:54:55.380 there also was a law back in the day where you couldn't beat your wife with a stick bigger than your

00:54:58.980 thumb so i didn't think they really gave much of a crap about women being beaten their marriages oh yeah 0.99

00:55:04.580 where was that law i mean i've heard i've heard about it oh well then that makes it true i don't 0.92

00:55:11.460 i mean hey you have the computer i don't you can look it up it was it's always been foundationally

00:55:16.900 considered criminal to abuse or beat your wife inside of the united states um i will grant that um 0.67

00:55:24.820 that due to the modern duluth model of dv um that a lot of people get arrested when they probably

00:55:31.620 shouldn't for things that already were considered unlawful such as battery uh salt things like that

00:55:37.540 those already were illegal before any dv laws ever were put in place so i mean i don't even know why

00:55:42.500 we have they don't even make sense they already were crimes so it's it's never made much sense it's

00:55:48.420 just like an additional punishment for some reason uh added to this even though these were already

00:55:53.300 criminal activities i don't know what the actual statistics are on any of this either but even if you're

00:55:59.220 going to pull up something that says it's like more common now or whatever i would argue that

00:56:03.060 that's just because it went unreported a lot more before a lot of women were stuck in marriages had no 1.00

00:56:07.540 other choice had no financial resources they were fully dependent on their husbands and they just took 1.00

00:56:12.260 it because they had no other option well i mean that's awful convenient but i can just make the argument

00:56:16.820 the other direction due to saying the exact same thing if we just go off of well i think it was more

00:56:21.700 common it was just unreported right it's like that's that's an unfalsifiable model you can just say that

00:56:28.900 about literally anything that you want to oh yeah there was just as many let's say um lgbtq people

00:56:34.500 in 1915 as there is now it just wasn't reported it's like that's that's an unfalsifiable position

00:56:40.340 just saying well i think so but uh it was unreported and that's why that's not even a tenable position

00:56:47.060 because uh because it's an unfalsifiable one how could i prove that to be incorrect just because you

00:56:51.780 can't prove it to be correct or incorrect doesn't mean it could be possibly wrong it's just food for

00:56:56.580 thought to realize that studies are can be very misleading yeah i know but with with whenever

00:57:02.500 you search something uh like that the burden or evidence of proof would fall to you right to either

00:57:09.060 logically demonstrate it or demonstrate it with some type of um you know factual data in this case

00:57:14.900 you can't do that with factual data and i understand i also don't have access to the internet like you

00:57:19.540 do yeah i know i know i understand why you can't do that but you can yeah at least use a logical

00:57:24.740 demonstration in this particular case it's not a logical demonstration to say well i just think

00:57:29.540 that they were unreported therefore that's true uh that doesn't make any sense right i said it's

00:57:34.500 possible i didn't say that it was definite i'm just throwing it out there that things aren't always

00:57:40.260 what they seem at surface value maybe it could be possible yes but also you're saying from a from a

00:57:46.500 logical statistic standpoint you're saying that it's just not something that can be seen from from

00:57:53.060 your from your viewpoint so that's why it would be in your case irrelevant because you're looking more

00:57:59.300 at statistics and logic and well evidence that's right in front of you rather than an anecdotal um

00:58:06.580 statement well no i would just i guess just to simplify it somebody made a claim to you and then said to

00:58:13.380 you okay well i just think that um you know by like let me just do this with space aliens real quick

00:58:19.380 okay i believe that way more people are anally probed by aliens than you think it's just that

00:58:26.180 the anal probing goes unreported that's literally i mean does that sound does that sound reasonable

00:58:34.580 no that doesn't sound reasonable and that is your argument than you think but most of the anal

00:58:39.940 probing goes unreported just wait the government's going to come out again like the aliens in the 0.99

00:58:44.740 ocean you've been probing your butt this whole time i do have to move i do have to move things 0.94

00:58:50.980 on here so um getting into some of the pre-show notes kiki you said hold on one sec uh you met your 0.97

00:58:59.700 current boyfriend at la fashion week uh he was a photographer uh you guys went to the club together he

00:59:07.060 introduced you to his parents first date or no no no no no no not first date oh that's where you

00:59:15.460 met though right we met at la fashion week yeah oh okay so this was like a subsequent hangout when

00:59:21.140 he introduced you to the parents at 2 a.m yeah they went to the club with you though no what him and i

00:59:26.980 him and i uh we yeah we met at la fashion week we went out and then gianna was there too uh so we we've

00:59:32.500 known each other for a while actually which is really oh you guys know each other yeah we've known

00:59:35.460 each other for a while um and uh yeah um we were like not on the first date like after we started

00:59:42.820 dating we were it's just a silly story but you said you really love how he's a perfect blend of

00:59:47.140 traditional values yeah but also very lively and fun yeah he's not like stick in the mud like you know

00:59:54.100 i don't know how to explain it he's like yeah i'll introduce you to my parents but he's also like

00:59:58.180 fun and lively and alive and like not stuck on like you know silly old ways but also like not

01:00:02.900 completely like he has that foundation of like you know yeah what what uh what are the silly old ways 0.99

01:00:09.620 what do you mean by that i mean he doesn't look at me like i'm stupid or speak to me like i'm stupid 0.97

01:00:14.740 is that the silly old ways like i think so i mean go ahead i don't know i feel like a lot of men 0.95

01:00:21.860 it goes like one of two ways they're kind of mad when you succeed but they're also like 0.92

01:00:25.220 judgmental when you fail like oh you silly girl like you failed or oh like you're succeeding 0.75

01:00:29.220 like whatever i'm just going to turn a blind eye like there's no winning in front of them sometimes 0.99

01:00:32.420 is this something you just imagined or have you ever actually heard a guy actually say this out loud

01:00:38.020 of course not saying it out loud but kind of just reading in between the lines i've seen this

01:00:41.460 so i mean why do you think that though like you you've never heard a guy say anything even

01:00:47.940 approaching that so what do you mean i think like why do you just assume that that's how men think

01:00:55.540 i think it takes two to tingle right with behavior so and how they're how they're expressing

01:01:02.500 uh i mean it could just be feminist indoctrination but no that's exactly what it is no we have we have 1.00

01:01:09.460 huge proof of this what what's the proof he literally said that women will never break the

01:01:15.300 glass ceiling that it's made out of bricks that's like right up there wow that's a terrible argument so

01:01:19.780 like do you also want to like cite to hitler and stalin too while you're at it or is he also no

01:01:25.300 but like i don't what is your actual argument like somebody a singular man says something how

01:01:30.980 is this representative of all men i actually do know a guy that literally said that about a girl

01:01:36.420 so yeah you guys continue to argue from the outlier again you guys need to actually besides one man saying

01:01:42.180 one terrible thing for example i also don't think she said all men i think she said she did not

01:01:46.020 i just she was talking in general she was talking in general right you said you couldn't bring like 0.53

01:01:54.340 you've never heard a man say that and i've heard a man say that on like a very big national we've all

01:01:59.540 experienced that heard it something she was saying what we all like okay like i you guys really like

01:02:05.460 to argue this is your argument no it's literally it's brian so you can't interrupt me i'm addressing

01:02:12.740 her point now so uh you can't argue the outlier do some men have some men said terrible things

01:02:20.500 misogynistic things yes but you guys are talking in general here she's talking in general i don't know

01:02:27.460 i've read a lot of comments man defies it so what are you saying yeah i was saying she's saying her man

01:02:33.860 defies it ergo all these other men in society no then she's no then most men defy it is your

01:02:42.420 position most men defy i think there are definitely men who are like that there are definitely men who

01:02:46.980 aren't like that she's how many she found is it the majority of the minority no i i think it's i

01:02:51.220 think it's some and some that's what i think a lot of men are attracted to smart women i think there 1.00

01:02:55.700 are a lot of men out there that think it's really attractive when it's nobody are you guys just

01:02:59.780 intentionally not what i said answering my question like trying to make something out of

01:03:05.460 nothing yeah she was just saying like oh my man is not like this how some men are like i like him

01:03:11.060 for this reason okay i'm not talking about men in general i'm talking about human beings i've seen

01:03:15.220 it in human beings not every human being where they get a little weird when you succeed and a

01:03:20.100 little weird when you fail you know what i'm saying women you said you said men you were talking about

01:03:25.300 men all right well i was discussing kind of my experience with men personally as one individual

01:03:30.100 but when i when i asked you okay has a man like actually overtly like verbatim said that or even

01:03:36.900 like approximating that you're like no i've never heard a man say i was about to give you a story when

01:03:41.700 i heard a guy actually say yeah but you come here we've all heard it we've all seen it okay brian brian if

01:03:50.260 you hear one two three men say something that's not representative of i don't think she was saying

01:03:56.980 all men you don't i really or most men i actually said a lot of guys do you want our statements to

01:04:02.740 be representative to remember all right argument done keep going um next um go ahead continue though

01:04:11.380 i guess like we were discussing him uh he's i think with a lot of dating culture currently and not to

01:04:16.660 say that i'm absent of this like i definitely feel like in the past i've not treated people

01:04:20.420 the way i want to treat others or i haven't been treated the way i want to be treated so i'm happy

01:04:24.500 to go into my 20s with hopefully a better and definitely a better outlook on dating and so what

01:04:28.980 i say i can appreciate in this person coming from somebody who lives in los angeles i've met his parents

01:04:34.020 we have gone to like dinner we've eaten together it wasn't just we didn't have like relations the

01:04:39.700 second we met i'm not saying that's a bad thing i'm actually just delighted that i was able to be

01:04:43.940 loved from the neck up that's a thing that i don't feel like people including myself have gotten to

01:04:49.940 experience every single time i'm not speaking in general i'm just saying i know that being loved

01:04:54.340 from the neck up is such a different experience not saying i haven't experienced before you know

01:04:58.420 i've had like a lot of friendship love and like you know companionship love but yeah i'm very grateful

01:05:03.780 for that i'll get into some of that stuff but you said he's uh just so you know i mean yeah they

01:05:08.900 they are kind of uh correct here for instance i just went on twitter and all i did was type in 0.98

01:05:14.260 men are trash feminists and here's what i got talia men are really just losers in every aspect zngtg men 1.00

01:05:21.780 are actually absolute garbage and trash oh uh next next one overall men are trash you just got to pick 1.00

01:05:27.620 what kind of trash you can tolerate i can keep going and going and going and going my assumption is is that 1.00

01:05:34.340 you guys though wouldn't say that that was representative of what all women thought right 0.96

01:05:38.660 definitely not definitely not so from brian's perspective when you say well i heard a man

01:05:43.700 say this once he's just saying the same thing in reverse right but i wouldn't argue that that

01:05:48.580 makes your experience any less true if you had had women talk to you that way yeah your personal 0.86

01:05:54.420 experience i agree you can have all sorts of different things which can be informed by a personal

01:05:58.820 experience that just aren't true in reality though right yeah but she didn't say that of all men

01:06:03.540 she's had other experiences and this one's different and she's appreciating it that's all 0.98

01:06:06.900 she was saying yeah that's the argument the argument isn't that women think men are trash 0.99

01:06:10.660 or men think women are trash it's just that like she wasn't saying all women to begin with or all men 0.98

01:06:16.660 to begin with like that's the argument yeah but what brian's trying to do is he was just trying to show 0.98

01:06:20.820 you that we we understand that there could be personal anecdotes or experiences as you point out

01:06:26.340 where uh you you can have bad experiences with men and men can have bad experiences with women

01:06:32.500 where they hear these types of things and they're horrible and nobody likes them etc etc

01:06:36.740 but that that wouldn't be a representative of the whole so what he was trying to do is say hey look

01:06:40.580 if we're going to have a conversation like that rather than kind of citing in on just a singular

01:06:45.780 person who you heard this from perhaps we can extrapolate it a little further out from there

01:06:49.940 that's all he's saying so going back to you uh you said you loved how he was the perfect blend of

01:06:56.020 traditional values uh so what are i guess some of those traditional values um yeah like i i would

01:07:04.180 say being on time is nice being dependable in that way like picking me up or like just kind of like

01:07:11.380 you know just like the courtesy of it all i feel like a lot of i feel like we're lacking that a

01:07:15.540 little bit and i think it's kind of sad that our generation has lost that i'm not saying it's bad

01:07:19.620 like obviously sometimes you know there's a place to differ from that certainly meeting people going

01:07:24.820 out to clubs whatever dancing it's fine like things happen but i'm happy that you know we

01:07:28.820 can also have a place for like you know courtesy i guess like a nice blend of both is what i'm trying

01:07:33.860 to say i don't think we need to like lose that all like lose the baby with the bath water just

01:07:37.220 because tinder's a thing now doesn't mean that we can't like you know respect each other like like i

01:07:42.340 said from the neck up but i'm not saying it's bad if we do like the opposite direction either you

01:07:46.980 know things happen in all different ways but i'm just have you had those opposite way experiences

01:07:51.940 yeah and it's um i'm not saying it's like entirely bad but i just you know i um

01:07:59.700 yeah so you uh you've been in a relationship with this guy for one month yeah you guys exclusive yeah

01:08:05.860 okay um you said he kind of waited a little bit before you guys got uh intimate have you guys been

01:08:13.220 had carnal knowledge how long did you wait with him um first dates four dates has that been your

01:08:22.020 experience with previous maybe now was that you pumping the brakes or was that him wanting that

01:08:27.220 you said slow slow slow yeah um but you've had other experiences that were fast yeah okay um why the

01:08:35.060 differentiation with him um i was intimidated by like just you know i get like i think i just get a

01:08:45.780 little nervous in general when it comes to dating um and i've realized i feel a little bit more uh at

01:08:51.940 peace when i am in control of things like that rather than like kind of you know just like it puts my mind

01:08:59.140 at ease to know that like there's more than just one thing going on what do you mean more than one

01:09:04.580 thing going on what do you like we get along as human beings and like let's say we had sex immediately

01:09:08.340 and then all of a sudden like we just like can't speak and we're sitting there and it's like well

01:09:12.340 like i hate that have you had that experience before um probably yeah okay um but you have had

01:09:19.540 experiences where previously like you you were in a four or no five-year relationship um did you wait with

01:09:26.980 him or was that pretty quick it was pretty quick like first first date first hangout yeah i mean

01:09:32.900 kind of yeah first second hangout and then you've had other experiences too where it was like one night

01:09:37.940 stand or yeah maybe not one night stand but it was like maybe you continued seeing the guy it wasn't

01:09:42.740 just a one and done but but i kind of regret that for me personally like yeah not all of them but like

01:09:48.420 a good amount of it like i feel like just for me personally i kind of you know i wish i uh i wish i had a

01:09:56.580 different mindset on things for just me personally okay and then just for the rest of the panelists

01:10:02.260 here um i i guess i'm curious on this because i've i've heard this from a lot of women where 1.00

01:10:08.580 uh it sounds like you met a really good guy and in this instance uh you wanted to wait but you didn't

01:10:17.380 really when it kind when it came to other men uh there were not really any qualms when it came to uh

01:10:23.380 having sex relatively quickly um so i guess the question would be uh what is the shortest period

01:10:30.580 of time you've made a guy wait and then what's the longest excluding i guess the first time you know

01:10:38.020 losing your virginity oh man i mean i i once dated a guy where we were dating for two years and we never

01:10:44.580 had sex and i once dated a guy where we dated for four months and then i had sex with him and it was so 0.99

01:10:50.900 bad that i ghosted him um he also didn't cuddle afterwards which was not great wait you guys for 0.98

01:10:57.300 four months four months we waited four months uh-huh and then you had sex yeah sex was bad it was 0.99

01:11:03.540 awful there was no there was no sexual what did you do wrong he was a it was all your all your fault 0.98

01:11:10.420 no obviously he was um he was very like us like um oh what's the thing that they put in the ground

01:11:16.260 in the jackhammer very jackhammer there was no like mumbo to the movements it was just very like

01:11:23.140 you mean like motion to the ocean there's no ocean it was it was flat lake bed with like a rock thrown

01:11:28.260 into it it was not great that yeah good time um so and then there was another guy for two years you

01:11:36.820 dated yeah i did but he was asexual or no uh it was long distance uh he was my brother's best friend

01:11:44.260 and we just got had a really like strong relationship with each other but we never

01:11:50.980 we never slept with each other for two years it was long distance so you were celibate for two years 0.83

01:11:55.940 or you're fucking other people no i was 15 and he oh yeah so i was little i didn't lose my virginity 0.98

01:12:01.700 until i was like how about let's reframe the question like this um chronologically yes chronologically 0.97

01:12:08.260 have you ever like okay a year prior you had like you slept with the guy the first night or the

01:12:14.820 second date third date chronologically and then like a year later you're like oh i want to wait

01:12:22.580 three months have you had or it doesn't have to be three months it could be okay i want to i want to

01:12:26.740 wait have you had that in a in the chronological i have had that like i've done one night stands and

01:12:31.540 then met somebody and i was like i kind of want to wait a little bit and okay i i think it was more

01:12:36.740 of i maybe i wasn't super interested in having sex with them it was just more like seeing how they

01:12:44.260 are as a person and if i liked that and see if the chemistry would grow yep but i mean sometimes that

01:12:49.220 chemistry is just a lot and you gotta get it done so i tend to want to wait if i like think that

01:12:55.860 something could go somewhere but it tends to be like if i do think something can go somewhere and

01:13:00.980 i like the person i want to do it but sometimes i hold back but i will say yes i've shortest time

01:13:07.620 sex first time meeting them but longest time i made the guy wait 10 dates and guys guess what 0.54

01:13:12.340 we had sex on the 10th date i made him wait i don't think i liked him very much anyways but when 0.99

01:13:17.860 we were having sex he said like oh yeah like i want to put a baby in you i want to put a baby in 0.98

01:13:22.660 you on the first time having sex so then after that i was like that's a threat yeah after that i 0.96

01:13:27.220 was like maybe i shouldn't have wasted 10 dates of my time to know that this guy is like this so i'm

01:13:33.940 just like uh okay i mean like so he wanted to it was a breeding fetish it wasn't just that no no it

01:13:44.340 wasn't we talked about it i mean you have a breeding fetish don't you do i only with the right person but

01:13:50.180 like i looked at your twitter you have a tweet that's like i want to get cream pied or some 0.94

01:13:54.340 shit that's not the same as a breeding fetish no yeah like something filling you up feels good but 0.85

01:14:01.380 like breeding fetish is different but okay i i sort of see what you're saying i mean it's 0.99

01:14:06.820 i mean i do though i see kind of the delineation but i mean which there's nothing wrong with a

01:14:14.180 breeding fetish it was just a lot to handle on the first time i suppose like if you're a woman on

01:14:19.940 birth control like you could want to be cream pied but like without the intention of getting

01:14:23.620 pregnant so that's fair okay um what about you shortest time uh same night i met them on tinder

01:14:30.820 okay longest time a month and was that after the tinder hookup yes chronologically okay kiki what about

01:14:37.460 you yeah i've had sex the first time meeting somebody too yeah and then the longest time is this

01:14:44.340 the guy you've made with the longest i think so yeah trying to had a whole like brain reset okay 0.75

01:14:50.580 all right what about you same i've had sex on the first night and then probably like a month i don't

01:14:55.220 other guys you've made weight was did you make weight your uh four-year no fentanyl guy nope didn't 0.98

01:15:04.020 make him wait fentanyl frank no was he white guy white guy no hispanic no 0.60

01:15:15.460 black black i know yes oh okay i'm just hey i'm curious i was just curious there's many other

01:15:20.740 okay yeah that could be he could have been native american anything he could have been

01:15:24.980 asian do you do you date asian men no i haven't are you half i'm half filipino yeah half filipino half

01:15:32.020 white white okay don't you don't like asian guys i have nothing against asian men i've just never

01:15:39.140 dated an asian guy oh okay uh what about you um i feel like this doesn't apply to me as much since

01:15:46.980 i've been with my husband since i was 18 maybe was there anything prior any relationships prior no not 0.61

01:15:53.380 really um yeah but i was like in high school and they were dumb but how long did you make your husband

01:15:59.940 wait we actually hooked up on the first night we did not actually have piv but we did hook up the

01:16:05.620 first you had s-ing the d was there s-ing the d yeah not p and the b i think the first like full

01:16:13.940 blown time was maybe like a week into it a weekend okay yeah after after that d of course she married 1.00

01:16:18.980 um the shortest uh having sex on the first night the longest i've made a guy wait no more than a 0.67

01:16:33.460 month if i want to have sex i want to have sex okay but you have to be like chronologically speaking 0.57

01:16:38.260 like you've done like first night and then maybe there was one guy you're like oh this guy could be

01:16:42.500 a relationship yeah i have we're gonna wait four dates yeah no there's been uh a few guys where i

01:16:49.380 was like um you know what they could be my potential boom so i'm not gonna give it up right away i want

01:16:54.260 to see where this goes so finally when we get to the do yep um they don't even hit me up after or they

01:17:01.860 start texting me like we're just f buddies they don't text me like they want something serious it's

01:17:07.940 just to have some fun and i'm like what was the point of waiting honestly i i don't care about

01:17:12.340 that that's why i think you shouldn't wait exactly i don't care if they stick around and they might

01:17:17.540 and they might exactly pop a breeding fetish on you 15 dates in and then you're like why did i wait 15

01:17:22.260 dates you know no yeah uh gianna what about you um i think my longest and shortest is about the same

01:17:30.340 like a few months to be honest i think i i'm never in town for that long enough to see somebody that long

01:17:38.100 that i usually have a lot of time before i see them again and see them again so so what's i guess uh

01:17:46.660 three months is the shortest before you had carnal knowledge yeah you've never like hooked up with

01:17:52.180 somebody the same day you met them no second day no third day no okay all right okay i suppose some

01:18:00.660 consistent consistency there uh this this whole thing is really confusing to me as a guy i know it

01:18:07.620 it happens i've encountered it myself uh anecdotally speaking uh it just seems weird 1.00

01:18:16.500 like you reward the fuck boy you reward the guy who is i guess least worthy of having sex with you 0.99

01:18:23.780 and the guy who is arguably like the most deserving the relationship guy so get what you mean i don't 1.00

01:18:29.460 get it either yeah yeah and so it's like that's this is like i know it happens it's a totally a

01:18:35.940 thing in fact like probably most women operate this way but i find it peculiar um and it's sort of like 1.00

01:18:42.660 life's unfair obviously i was gonna say it seems a bit unfair unfair treatment and i think men should 1.00

01:18:48.100 it's sort of like on one hand what do you as a woman do it's like well i've you've had casual 0.87

01:18:53.060 sexual encounters like are you supposed to just continuously do that i think the issue comes in

01:18:57.780 though it's like if you have like a total change of your morals like okay i used to have casual sex

01:19:04.260 but now i want to operate differently it still kind of rubs me the wrong way like you're free to do it 0.98

01:19:09.140 but i'd feel like kind of what the fuck but then it's like okay have a one night stand oh meet guy who 0.89

01:19:17.140 is potential long-term relationship material wait five dates and then that doesn't work out 0.97

01:19:23.780 have a string of one night stands so there is no actual basis for like you're not doing it you're

01:19:30.580 essentially trying to trick the long-term relationship material guys into thinking

01:19:35.860 that you're the type of girl that conducts herself in this sort of chaste way even though you're

01:19:42.260 absolutely not and you're just doing this as basically like a fugazi to try to get that guy

01:19:49.940 into a relationship which seems a bit manipulative to me um but i do find it interesting i think you

01:19:56.740 make a really fair argument and from a man's perspective i could see why you would view it that

01:20:01.140 way but i think some women decide like hey maybe this hookup culture isn't working for me these 1.00

01:20:06.500 relationships haven't panned out so maybe i'll try something different now and see if that works out

01:20:10.340 better and also like if you're just hooking up with a guy you're just having sexual chemistry if

01:20:16.660 you want to spend your life with someone you want to make sure maybe there's something more there as

01:20:20.100 well i don't know i'm speculating again i have a completely different situation going on yes i agree

01:20:24.820 like i agree with what you said also and i agree with what she said i think that i i think that um

01:20:31.140 yeah like a potential partner yeah i don't know i think it's i think it's kind of up low-key but

01:20:37.380 i do think that like like society like if we are and i get tricking us tricking you guys i do get 0.89

01:20:44.180 that part but like society is like if she's not wife material if she fucks on the first date a lot 1.00

01:20:48.580 of or if she sorry pnv on the first date no i just meant speaking to the mic oh sorry yeah you're fine 0.92

01:20:53.300 sorry uh she's not wife material if she does pnv on the first date so we see a guy and we're like oh 1.00

01:20:59.780 like maybe i really like him and so i don't want to do this because this is what he might think it's not

01:21:05.380 us necessarily but it's like the thing is though like i do think there are some guys who

01:21:12.260 like might disqualify you if you have sex with you too soon the thing is though it's not clear to me

01:21:19.380 if like i mean you had this experience i think maybe some of you have maybe even had experiences

01:21:25.380 where you're like oh i do want a relationship with this guy i'm gonna make him wait he still

01:21:30.420 fucked you once and never talked to you again anyway and so in addition to that i i'm not sure 0.96

01:21:36.500 if like if a guy already has eyeballed you for like oh whoa this girl is like potentially relationship 1.00

01:21:43.060 material i don't think if you sleep with him too soon it necessarily is going to preclude him

01:21:51.940 from pursuing a relationship with you yeah i see nothing wrong with that you got to test out the 0.67

01:21:55.860 car like if he's pushing like if he's pushing for uh like if he wants to have sex with you

01:22:02.580 sooner and he wants a relationship with you like i don't know why he would be shooting himself in

01:22:08.500 the foot he's like okay i like this girl she's really cool she's really attractive i could see it 1.00

01:22:13.460 like her potentially being a girlfriend i'm going unless you're the one who's being sexually aggressive 1.00

01:22:18.900 and i don't mean that like in the weird but you're like sexually pursuing him i don't know if a lot of

01:22:23.540 guys are like i see her as relationship material i want to sleep with her i'm gonna see if i can 1.00

01:22:31.300 sleep with her if she sleeps with me i've now changed my assessment or mind about her relationship

01:22:38.340 worthiness i don't know if that's really a thing for most guys uh it would just be the decrease of

01:22:45.380 hormones within them there's studies on that so men have a buildup if i'm not mistaken you could look 0.89

01:22:50.020 at a vast depressant i believe that's how you pronounce it theoretically women when they have

01:22:54.020 sex release oxy what's it called oxytocin oxytocin and that is the bonding hormone men decrease in

01:23:00.420 oxytocin when they like let it out of their system so that's why there's post net clarity where they're

01:23:04.340 like actually i'm so good on this and then they just i mean what i'm trying to say is with vast

01:23:09.620 depressant men increase vast depressant with stress and kind of with like not getting what they want

01:23:14.660 because it builds up and the build up is what makes them like chase chase but but i i would like

01:23:20.100 to interject if i can um i would say the only way you're gonna find someone who is the perfect partner

01:23:27.540 for you is to be unapologetically yourself so if you feel like that person on the first date and

01:23:33.620 you want them to be future baby daddy and then they they don't want it anymore then you just

01:23:39.060 flicked somebody off of the scale that's not going to be that person for you that's true that's the

01:23:43.060 battle i go sometimes like you just if you're completely honest about who you are what you do

01:23:48.020 what what you want in a relationship you're gonna find somebody out there that wants those things too

01:23:54.420 i think uh that's fair i i guess going back to this whole thing though it sort of seems to me like

01:24:00.420 the the thought process is as a woman if you're doing this sort of like make some guys wait just 1.00

01:24:05.860 fuck other guys really quickly it's like i thought this guy was a better long-term prospect 0.99

01:24:13.220 so i treated him worse than the guys i knew who were just like for sex those are typically 1.00

01:24:21.060 like the fuck boys what do you mean hold on hold on but and this is what you essentially are saying 0.99

01:24:27.540 to the guy who you want to wait and have like a long-term relationship with you were so important 1.00

01:24:32.420 to me that i treated sex like it was sacred but just for you not those other 20 guys who got it

01:24:40.740 hit the first night it's only sacred for you but for those other dudes yeah you can just 0.97

01:24:47.060 fuck right away i don't know if we're treating it as sacred more as like wanting you to accept us but 0.99

01:24:52.420 also i think that like like let's like i think we've all been through this most of us have been through 0.99

01:24:57.380 this where you have sex with a guy whether it's after a few dates or on the first night he doesn't

01:25:01.700 talk to you anymore the hurt with him not talking to you anymore is less with a guy who you don't see

01:25:06.900 any potential with rather than a guy who is like you want something you want you want more out of

01:25:12.580 from and so like i don't know having sex with him too soon it hurts it's like whatever like you want 0.76

01:25:17.860 to make him like you you want to make him do this i don't really know that's a really good point that

01:25:21.620 is a really good point i agree with that but also i feel like there's a very big difference between 0.79

01:25:25.380 fucking someone and making love to someone like having those different connections are completely 0.56

01:25:32.340 different and i i would say that you know if somebody goes on the street and like they're 1.00

01:25:37.380 horny and they want to fuck the hot girl like that they met let's say at a fashion show that's what 1.00

01:25:41.780 they're going to look for but there's a difference between fucking and loving and hey you might fuck 1.00

01:25:46.260 somebody on the first date and they might end up being your baby daddy i just i don't know emotions 0.99

01:25:50.180 are not logical what's the what's the difference what's the difference between fucking and love 0.72

01:25:55.700 making yeah connection i think it's not something you can describe it's something you got to feel

01:26:01.380 and the people who know it know it yeah feeling like i don't know if that's gonna be like i get

01:26:07.860 i'll just grant that but like from the male perspective if i'm sitting here as like you're viewing me 0.78

01:26:13.620 as the potential boyfriend and you're saying i want to fuck those other guys but you have to wait 0.97

01:26:19.940 i want to make you wait uh-huh that's like i want to make you wait the the the typical like nah 0.99

01:26:25.700 baby i didn't i didn't make love to her i was fucking her so it didn't mean anything like like 0.98

01:26:32.180 what you know what i mean like what are you talking about in a relationship like that 0.95

01:26:36.420 baby i only make love to you well hey in a relate in a relationship like that where you're

01:26:42.340 supposed to be monogamous yes that's a slap in the face but as someone who's polyamorous

01:26:47.140 like i i play with madison's husband all the time and it's different than when i play with 1.00

01:26:53.700 my own partner so so yeah so you're just fucking him you ain't making love he's a good fuck though 0.99

01:27:00.980 he is yeah you ain't making love because that's a whole different thing you only make love to the 0.99

01:27:06.500 people you have that special butterfly like feeling with yeah but brian your stance kind of sounds like

01:27:11.860 the thing that you you only value a woman in a relationship for having sex if you're punishing

01:27:17.060 them by making them wait like isn't there a lot more that a woman can bring to the table and maybe 1.00

01:27:22.500 she respects you for more than just your body and more than just a fuck and that's why she wants to 1.00

01:27:26.660 wait i mean i completely think it's stupid when girls like hook up all over town their whole life 1.00

01:27:31.700 and then suddenly decide they want to wait till marriage with one guy that's ridiculous but to say 0.82

01:27:36.100 i want to take this a little more seriously and i want to respect you as a human and make sure there's

01:27:39.220 like a deeper connection before we take it there i don't think there's anything wrong with that as

01:27:43.460 long as it's like a reasonable time frame well just i do want to clarify my position is not that all

01:27:49.060 women do bring or can bring to the table is just sex i don't know if that's what you're trying to 1.00

01:27:54.340 kind of seem that way because we're punishing guys by making the guys wait that's what you said yeah but

01:27:59.540 how would that follow that that's all that women bring i don't know because you see that as a 1.00

01:28:02.580 punishment rather than we're respecting men for more than just bodies where's the i'm it's an

01:28:07.780 implication you didn't straight up say it there's i don't think there's any implication there somebody

01:28:12.660 can like punish somebody in like one vertical and it doesn't mean that they're not bringing

01:28:17.140 other things to the table well you're just seeing it as a glass half empty that it's like a punishment 0.97

01:28:21.460 rather than respecting you for more than just your body and your penis well why isn't she respecting 0.83

01:28:26.100 herself in previous sexual encounters then not about respecting yourself it's about respecting the other 0.94

01:28:31.380 person how so because in one instance both parties were just looking to have some good sex and release

01:28:37.620 some good hormones in a different case you're looking to spend the rest of your life with 1.00

01:28:40.660 someone and see where this goes yeah but why would withholding sex preclude somebody from

01:28:45.620 it wouldn't necessarily but in some cases it like i said maybe it didn't work out the other

01:28:50.180 way for girls before and they decided hey maybe i'll make them wait a couple dates like nine months 1.00

01:28:53.940 would be ridiculous sure like sure let me give you get to know sure let me i'm gonna go through a

01:28:58.740 couple analogies here i have them written down kind of to i none of these quite perfectly hit on

01:29:04.260 this but uh i i think it's fair to go through a bunch of these analogies and to perhaps try to

01:29:10.180 give you the perspective of how men might experience this so uh who here wants a guy to pay for the first

01:29:15.940 date show of hands pay for the first date pay for the first date pay the first date it depends on

01:29:22.340 their financial situation yeah so let's say you really like this guy you go on a date everything's great

01:29:27.940 but you find out that he wants to go 50 50 with you until you guys are married objections i already

01:29:35.060 go 50 50 with my partner that's fine this is for those 50 50 for paying for the first date you didn't

01:29:41.220 you didn't raise your hand though so this is for the people who want a guy to pay for the first date so

01:29:45.700 your reaction yeah um i mean yeah what like he should pay for the first day like that's the traditional

01:29:52.500 way that you want a traditional woman and then what about you i would be open to it um but initially

01:29:58.900 i would if you're trying to court me then yeah pay for the date if you ask me on a date if i ask you

01:30:04.900 it's different sure i would assume we're friends if he didn't pay for the first day i'm not saying i

01:30:09.940 mean he wants to date you but he's like i still would but he's not sending me the right message i'm

01:30:15.540 not saying he has to pay for every day but he's he's overt like he's like hey i really like you but

01:30:19.780 this is just kind of my values i prefer 50 50. i would still assume that he just wants i would 0.99

01:30:23.860 look at him as a friend i feel like no but he's like i want to fuck you i still would look at him 1.00

01:30:27.860 as a friend and date you and it sucks to suck you want to fuck me i still look at you as a friend okay 1.00

01:30:32.020 so just to be clear if he wants to fuck you he has to pay for the first date yeah because i think 1.00

01:30:35.700 it's like an announcement okay and so but to those of you who want guys to pay for the first date you 0.99

01:30:41.300 learn even though he says and you're really interested you really like i mean what what is a piece of

01:30:46.180 pie buy it's the math is the piece of pie second base and then like does the appetizer pay for the

01:30:53.220 first kiss like how does this how does this work okay so um so those of you who said like yeah you

01:31:02.660 do want the guy to pay for the first date uh you learn that for his last three girlfriends he paid for

01:31:10.500 everything he he paid for rent dates vacations he'd go on like a couple dates a week pay for

01:31:17.940 everything pay the entire bill and you're and he's telling you well oh like you're really special to

01:31:23.540 me like i think you could be the one blah blah blah but he wants to go 50 50 and there's been no

01:31:29.460 change in his financial position like he hasn't lost his job anything like that you feel a little bit

01:31:34.740 like well hold on why do the other girls why did all your exes get this kind of treatment and i'm 1.00

01:31:41.140 just do you feel that way yeah i would question would you feel a type of way me i would just question

01:31:47.940 like what what changed there is a question of but he what changed is he really likes you and he wants

01:31:55.220 it to be serious with you can i make can i hold on let me get her response and then you can go i would

01:32:00.820 be uncomfortable if a guy paid for everything the same way like for instance like i wouldn't

01:32:04.420 be comfortable in myself knowing that a guy pays for literally everything like that would make me

01:32:08.100 feel guilty but i still think on the first date i think it's just like it's i'm i don't know i'm

01:32:13.220 very big on proof and i tend to like i tend to question things a lot so if i have the proof of like

01:32:17.860 okay like he asked me to hang out yeah like he'll pay for the first date but that does not mean i'm

01:32:22.660 like stuck on him paying for everything absolutely not right if anything did you understand i'm sorry were

01:32:27.620 you not listening no i was listening if he was paying okay so now okay so he's paid for everything

01:32:33.300 else for other females and now looking at me he's like i actually appreciate you as like a person

01:32:37.380 blah blah and this is why i want to go half and half i mean i wouldn't mind going half and half i

01:32:41.380 just still would i'm not going to be your learning curve like if you're that's messed up from other

01:32:46.100 girls like take a moment to yourself and knowing that if transactions like i don't know how to explain

01:32:50.980 that like i you know because maybe he was taken advantage of by those girls that took too late i would 0.97

01:32:56.020 actually like you to explain that i think that there's i don't know i think that there's like

01:33:03.140 and i think like i said proof maybe i get a little bit like bunged up on the details and i can't tell

01:33:07.380 how people feel about me so little things like proof like you know you show that you okay on the first

01:33:13.140 date you paid for it i'm not opposed to going 50 50 with a guy it's not i'm not going to like throw a

01:33:17.780 fit about it at all i'm not even gonna they're not even gonna notice i'm just saying it with my own

01:33:21.540 self i think it makes like it's an i think it's a courtesy in a sense of saying i asked you to hang

01:33:26.180 out i took you out i like you there's validation in the fact that i like you because i paid for it

01:33:30.660 i took time out of my day out of my you know my i filled your cup you know i took you to dinner i

01:33:36.500 filled your cup like can i also say something real quick um i also all right i do think the man should

01:33:43.300 pay for the first date i do but let's say he's in a financial compromise whatever he he doesn't have

01:33:49.300 a ton of money right in the scenario he's not okay well well that well i'm just saying like

01:33:53.060 he could take us on a picnic like i would like him to show something it doesn't have to be financially

01:33:58.340 but he has to show like oh i planned this i'm taking us here we're doing we can talk about like

01:34:02.980 the who pays topic but we're getting a little bit away from like kind of what i'm trying to get out

01:34:06.820 here gianna you had something go ahead um so i kind of feel like this is um semi-similar to what

01:34:13.620 we were just talking about kind of like how we some of the girls said um when we find a guy that

01:34:21.220 we feel more connected to we wait till you know longer to have sex with them rather just really

01:34:26.420 quick question on that so you're saying the guys you feel really connected to those are the guys that 0.99

01:34:32.340 have to wait for sex but the guys you're not connected to get to fuck right away that's it 0.98

01:34:36.740 female logic not me girl math girl math that anyway so just to be clear you guys 1.00

01:34:43.220 fuck the men that treat you like are less of a match like is that that's what i think we need 0.99

01:34:50.260 our sexual needs met regardless sometimes i mean some of us do and so yeah like some guy to just 1.00

01:34:55.380 fuck is fine but like yes if i want to date you then like uh yeah gianna i did not mean to interrupt 0.97

01:35:01.140 but i wanted clarification go ahead i mean doesn't that literally sound like you're punishing 0.99

01:35:06.420 the people that i agree it actually does i have compromised like i have contradicting beliefs on

01:35:12.100 this so yeah go ahead gianna so then i felt like it was similar because us going 50 50 on a date

01:35:18.900 whoever raised their hand or didn't it's kind of like you guys were also saying um if you feel more

01:35:24.980 like connected to the guy you would rather go 50 50 or you wouldn't if i rather than if you yeah if i

01:35:33.300 really like someone i don't mind i've been in relationships and i've paid for things i don't

01:35:37.940 mind if i really love you like i don't mind okay and i'm sorry i didn't catch your name but you were

01:35:42.260 going to say something good i thought um oh sienna yes sienna um about about this maybe he had been

01:35:49.620 taken advantage of right that's why i was trying to um ask you if that no go ahead go ahead

01:35:55.220 then was he taken advantage of before like were these girls just kind of not really truly genuine

01:36:03.940 with him in the relationship but just wanted material things and that may be but i also agree

01:36:09.060 with keelan saying that another girl i mean maybe you should just take that time for yourself if you

01:36:14.260 have trust issues about money and you know things like that say if you have like a therapist or

01:36:18.500 something you could you know talk through that and but it's also understandable if they do have trust

01:36:22.900 issues that if they'd want to go 50 50 you know with someone else but i don't know it's just kind

01:36:29.300 of a like if they have that own journey for themselves maybe they can figure it out i mean

01:36:33.060 i'm happy to like continue adding like various micro details to the hypothetical i was just wondering

01:36:39.540 so you want to know which like state they were born into i can like give you like all the the life

01:36:44.020 history of like the hypothetical like um was so in the hypothetical was this guy like financially abused by

01:36:52.420 the women in his past relationships uh probably not no okay i i guess but so would you just want 0.82

01:36:58.500 yes or no yeah i mean i i don't know how much more detailed i can make the hypothetical it's kind of

01:37:03.780 just an analogy to should a man pay on the first date raise your hand if yes see uh only with traditional

01:37:09.860 women wait i'm sorry okay i guess a couple other analogies here but how about this uh all the exes 1.00

01:37:20.660 all the the guy all his exes uh got five star meals but uh and no change in financial status uh she gets 1.00

01:37:29.060 mcdonald's because he's turned over a new leaf and decided that money has better uses than just trying to

01:37:35.060 impress people i still think first date should be for impressing after that we can no first date

01:37:41.300 oh no then you're done then you're not trying to impress me so you girls put yourself and you need 0.56

01:37:46.420 to work on that trauma you've been through that's nothing to do with me chicken nuggets like have you

01:37:51.860 had the spicy chicken nuggets i don't i don't eat meat i don't eat mcdonald's everyone has their own way

01:37:56.260 of handling their own money and um if they want to put forth the money it can be a cheap date man just pay

01:38:03.540 for it what how would you like us to answer not thoughtfully or thoughtfully that's why i'm asking

01:38:07.460 you detailed questions no thoughtfully but i where you're going with this is you're trying to understand

01:38:13.940 why in the hypothetical he's acting this way right it's kind of irrelevant i just want you to put

01:38:20.820 yourself in the girl's position and think if i was in this hypothetical position as the girl and i learned

01:38:28.580 i discovered that all of his exes got better treatment and then i'm now getting what would you

01:38:36.020 say to the question i'd leave yeah how would you answer it girls don't buy no but all right but

01:38:41.060 let's say let's i mean just just imagine it like what would you say is that cool with you or not if

01:38:47.860 if this girl did and and i guess we can relate it to sex because i'm sure that's where you're going to 0.58

01:38:51.780 take it like giving sex on the first date rather than not but like if she did all this for this man

01:38:56.900 and says do you actually have turned over a new leaf and i'm not going to do any of this for you

01:39:00.660 what would you say i'm asking you guys the my i can ask you i'm curious i've already established

01:39:08.900 my position on this i think i guess it would rub me the wrong way then no yeah i wouldn't be cool

01:39:13.220 with it if you just if it's i wouldn't be just wanted to take it from we just found that out i want

01:39:17.140 the woman's perspective that's what i want i want the woman's perspective you go on a date with

01:39:21.460 a dude and you find out that he got all these other girls he went on dates with uh you know

01:39:28.740 he got them gifts and took them to five-star restaurants would be cool you gotta let me

01:39:32.980 finish you gotta you can't keep interrupting sorry go ahead go ahead i i was done i just said i don't

01:39:39.940 think anyone else would be cool that i'm sorry for interrupting it's my bad i have that that's a

01:39:44.180 problem i'm actually genuinely sorry um but again i'm hoping to get a response from you guys so all

01:39:52.500 the other girls he dated and who he just had like casual like he was just trying to like casually

01:39:57.700 fuck them right he was like he took all the casual chicks he took them the five-star dinner but now he 0.98

01:40:04.900 wants a relationship with you you just get mcdonald's it sounds like a power dynamic to me it sounds like 1.00

01:40:10.820 initially when he met all those women the reason he tried so hard to impress them is because he's

01:40:15.220 trying to show that he's like you know in power oh i can afford this meal i can afford this i can

01:40:19.460 afford that blah blah and that's the entire sense around why you're with me now he's been burned so

01:40:23.780 many times before that he looks at you a girl that he really likes and he says actually rather than

01:40:27.620 give no he hasn't been burned i i don't know why you keep trying okay whatever whatever that well

01:40:31.780 obviously he's been burned if he's going to another girl not saying burned like emotionally scarred

01:40:35.060 forever but obviously things did not work out they burned up they didn't work can you say the question

01:40:39.140 and like completely dumb it down for us even more so we can all just give you a straight answer it

01:40:44.260 sounds like he has the power like now he wants i don't know where the power i'm not sure where

01:40:49.220 the power thing is okay i'll repeat it again okay okay man dated other women and he just had casual 0.50

01:41:00.580 sex with them and didn't want a relationship with them in order to get to the casual sex he took them to 0.77

01:41:07.140 really nice restaurants and got them gifts and paid for everything he meets you you and he really 0.96

01:41:15.540 like you he want relationship from you he only take what you're doing now i get it yeah stop he only

01:41:25.060 take you to like poor restaurant i get it he take you to mcdonald's i understand now he he don't want

01:41:32.020 to spend a lot of money i get it thank you for he really like so much he's referring it to the sex

01:41:40.180 thing guys i mean maybe it took just me that long but it took me a long but he's referring it to the

01:41:46.740 sex thing how would you as women's feel about this huh i mean that's a great question brian honestly oh 0.95

01:41:58.740 oh my god you're such a troll no i'm not i'm actually how would you feel i'd be a little tickled 0.95

01:42:05.060 a little tickled where because sometimes that could be a good thing i don't know it's just like 0.98

01:42:12.340 why mcdonald's oh where where do you prefer are you more of a red lobster girl maybe i just feel

01:42:18.980 like that cheesecake factory why mcdonald's like am i less valuable do you see me as less valuable no

01:42:25.140 you're more valuable is the thing you're more valuable so i want to take you to a worse

01:42:31.220 okay so i'm gonna say i don't want mcdonald's i actually want something else maybe bj's you want

01:42:38.100 hold on it's the first date pump the brakes it's a restaurant it is a restaurant would be nice yeah

01:42:44.180 for the first date well that's a whole nother conversation that's actually a great analogy

01:42:48.020 and yeah i don't know like i actually agree with your analogy i don't know i feel like it's the

01:42:54.820 same as the girls saying like i like you so i'm not going to have sex with you or the guys saying 0.86

01:42:58.740 i like you so i'm not going to spend money on you however the same way you were saying that's

01:43:01.780 manipulative when women do it if women have like i don't you i know you don't like the word power 1.00

01:43:06.340 but i can't think of another word if women have control with their body and giving it away and 1.00

01:43:10.260 men have theoretically if we're going to take this stance because that's where we're going

01:43:13.540 control with their money and the less he gives it away the more he's like you actually like me

01:43:17.700 however i feel like it the same way it's manipulative for girls do that because i've done that

01:43:21.780 you know like i definitely feel like i have regretted doing that where it's like i give

01:43:25.300 less to people i like and more people i don't like when i was in a relationship but the same thing

01:43:29.620 where it's like okay so you're trying to prove that you don't like me that much like oh like i'm just

01:43:33.380 going to give you mcdonald's like don't think that you're like the one like whatever so i just come

01:43:37.700 so i'm more like wow like he takes all these other girls but for some reason i'm different why am i

01:43:41.380 different usually i get what i want and so why am i not getting what i want it feels manipulative

01:43:44.980 and that's why so i mean if that if that's the case then that it's a form of manipulation that

01:43:51.940 wouldn't this stand to brian's point that hey if a woman has slept with the five guys previous to you

01:43:59.540 because she just didn't care about them and she cares about you that that would basically just be 0.99

01:44:04.260 a massive red flag that this woman is a manipulator yes and then wouldn't the entailment of that then be 1.00

01:44:11.220 that she should sleep with him on the first date so that she's not being manipulated can you pull

01:44:15.460 up the definition of manipulation i just want to wait or can anybody because i was just like twisting

01:44:20.260 the truth twisting the appeal to your own okay sure yes then it's manipulation for sure it's

01:44:25.620 manipulation in both senses and honestly like i like i have nothing to say wait i don't know i'm

01:44:31.860 still talking the way i know but you but she but then he went ahead and said something anyway even

01:44:35.620 though it was well no i wanted to know well no i wanted to know the definition of i wanted to know the

01:44:39.940 definition of manipulation can you can let her can you let her answer though of course i'm sorry

01:44:46.580 i think um remind me maya maya gave a really good example of this earlier where maybe when you do feel

01:44:53.860 something more the pain of losing somebody that you actually like hurts and the pain of like okay

01:44:58.420 whatever i went to the club in miami i went home with somebody was that a mistake yeah was i like six

01:45:02.820 shots deep yeah sorry oops whore oops you know but no i'm not like um no i think the pain of 0.75

01:45:09.780 losing somebody that you really like you take it in consideration and you want to build something

01:45:13.540 with them so is it manipulative sure a little bit but also like we got to survive out here

01:45:18.020 like i don't know this would be but this would would entail brian's argument back right and say

01:45:23.780 but wait you wouldn't want that sort of treatment on a first date from a person paying for the meal who

01:45:28.900 says look i really like you and so i don't want to be spinning extravagantly but there's proof there's a

01:45:33.380 reward in the fact that like oh i still want to hang out with you even though we're not having sex

01:45:38.020 there's a reward in that there's like soul in that like i want to sit with you i want to talk to you

01:45:42.580 with the mcdonald's it's kind of just like i just think it's kind of icky like there's no person there's

01:45:47.220 no character there's nothing to talk about wait a second wait a second who do you think feels like

01:45:52.660 they got the bigger reward oh honey i love you i can't you know i really adore you i can't wait to 0.92

01:45:58.740 have a long night talking with you or the guy who fucked your brains out last week which one 0.94

01:46:02.980 which guy do you feel like don't you think they got the bigger reward don't you think 0.99

01:46:09.300 hang on almost done which one do you think feels like they got the bigger reward the guy

01:46:15.140 who got to have the sex or the guy who gets to listen to you talk to him what sex feels better 0.95

01:46:20.500 okay i'm gonna i'm gonna interject here no no you gotta let her answer go ahead the sex that you had 0.92

01:46:25.860 on the first night when it was like in the heat of the moment or when you're like actually talking to

01:46:29.940 somebody more and more i'm sorry i do have to cut hold on i do have to cut in you didn't actually

01:46:33.940 answer his question i was literally answering it no you you were answering you were asking

01:46:38.420 what's the bigger reward yeah you you didn't answer it you're asking the bigger reward which

01:46:43.540 guy do you think feels like they got the bigger reward the guy who got the sex from the very first

01:46:49.300 night out or the guy who got to have the long walk on the beach talking to you yeah but sometimes

01:46:53.140 you feel like the loser if you like had sex immediately and then they leave like you feel like 0.90

01:46:56.500 a loser not saying that's always the case i'm just saying sometimes like wait just just answer his 0.98

01:47:00.420 question just answer his question oh my god okay yeah the guy that got another like notch under his 0.82

01:47:04.100 belt he feels like a big winner whatever and i hope he does that again and again and again it's 0.97

01:47:07.700 not well hold on yeah andrea i'll let you come in in just a sec but like wait you could have sex stop 1.00

01:47:12.980 stop stop stop stop stop one person talking at a time you gotta stop interrupting you've done it 0.97

01:47:17.140 like 20 times i'm sorry just zip it zip it good okay it's not like an uh one or the other thing like a guy

01:47:26.260 who wants a long-term relationship with you he could have sex with you and want to continue seeing 0.63

01:47:30.500 you i agree i never get sick of space mountain so that's great um and that's nice i that is

01:47:39.380 may i interject uh go ahead and then andrew will it's actually it's really just kind of a question

01:47:46.100 you're saying that um okay it could be like for one guy that wants to have a long-term relationship with

01:47:51.380 you you could have sex on the same night or you could not you know um maybe it just comes down to

01:47:57.220 communication then about asking them what they really want and what they're actually looking for

01:48:05.300 you know what so that so that you know that i think there's a stereotype and there's stereotype

01:48:12.340 that even i this is anecdotal but it's what i've been told if you give it up on the first night

01:48:16.660 they're not going to talk to you again but i only learned that after you know making making a few

01:48:23.300 and i'd say that they were mistakes in the beginning when i kind of was uh influenced by hookup culture

01:48:31.380 when i was not 18 you know and and so but when you're communicating with someone about um you know

01:48:39.780 what you want what you're looking for and say you are you saying that it's like they should give it up

01:48:47.380 on the first date too no no no here's here's here's the essential of the argument what what brian is

01:48:53.700 saying and also what i'm saying here right because we're just looking at it from the perspective of how

01:48:59.460 you think men would feel and how you think women would feel so if the idea here is is that look i really

01:49:06.020 really like you and that's why i'm going to make you wait to sleep with me but the five guys

01:49:10.420 previously they meant nothing to me so i slept with them immediately oh hang on hang on obviously 0.83

01:49:17.140 that's going to make the guy feel like a piece of trash right the reverse here is if we were to say 0.90

01:49:23.060 okay well i don't want a woman who just wants me for my money right i want her to know that i really 0.99

01:49:28.420 like her and she really likes me so i'm not going to be very extravagant on the first date or things like

01:49:33.380 this but i did that for the five women previous to her that probably wouldn't make her feel very 0.83

01:49:37.860 good either so the point here is to kind of just point out that well well wait a second uh while you

01:49:44.900 say i'm actually doing this for you because i really like you think of it from their perspective

01:49:49.620 they think well the five guys previous they got to hit right and i get yeah i get gypped because

01:49:55.860 i just don't have because i'm so good and you like me so much i get the thing i don't get the thing

01:50:01.460 that everybody else gets right think if you're thinking of it from their perspective yeah that's

01:50:05.780 what's being said okay well thank you for explaining i i guess i've just i think everyone has been

01:50:13.540 in their own different situation maybe even when starting out and um

01:50:20.580 when say for example with the person that let the other five guys hit right um say they're just

01:50:26.660 i mean there's it could all be hypotheticals here maybe they're just starting out with sex and they

01:50:31.460 think that the person will call them again and that it'll be fine and that you know they're kind

01:50:35.620 of naive in the way so they continue to you know talk to them but realize after they did give it up

01:50:41.940 per se whether it's in their room or in the car or whatever the male not all and just and maybe in

01:50:49.940 some hypothetical situation seems to be less interested uh responding with less words and

01:50:56.820 it seems to just be that they're replying not actually thinking in the conversation and that

01:51:00.980 they don't actually uh find value in you anymore because they just got what they got so then you

01:51:06.980 realize i got this because no no continue continue so then you kind of learn okay if i give it up on the

01:51:14.740 first night uh from this pattern that i've been experiencing they don't usually find uh value in

01:51:21.860 me i see they never wanted you for a long-term relationship to begin with oh so you've had these

01:51:29.940 experiences where you had sex with a guy quickly he didn't want a long-term relationship to begin with

01:51:36.340 and now you're going to attribute this perhaps to uh other men that perhaps do want a long-term

01:51:43.940 relationship but if you sleep with them too quickly they're no longer going to want the

01:51:47.460 long-term relationship kind of like guys spending money in the strip club no i guess it was maybe

01:51:51.700 maybe just um uh maybe not seeing in that perspective i was i was naive and i also yeah

01:51:58.500 maybe they just didn't want anything to begin with i guess i'll paint it like this so in the same way

01:52:04.100 that women are not vending machines that you put niceness tokens into and sex comes out men are not

01:52:11.700 vending machines in a similar way where you put sex tokens into and you get a relationship out of

01:52:17.140 them yeah i was i mean everyone everyone learns their own lessons yeah i mean look and to be fair

01:52:22.260 though there are plenty of men in an in furtherance and then and in an effort to get sex from you will

01:52:29.300 lie about their intentions they'll say oh yeah i i'm looking for something serious and i want a

01:52:36.180 relationship and they will perhaps use this to make you give it up when you otherwise wouldn't

01:52:43.380 um i do appreciate that you're looking at both sides and not just saying that maybe women will

01:52:47.460 manipulate but yes that's so it's good that you're saying both yeah men men manipulate men will do this

01:52:52.740 all the time you know and i'm sure maybe some of you have had this experience where uh you know the

01:52:57.860 guys said here's his intentions and then well his intentions didn't really right pan out to be that

01:53:04.260 way although there's like all kinds of things that can happen after sex where like maybe that was

01:53:09.460 the guy's intentions but like you guys had sex and then uh it wasn't the sex it was just like your 0.99

01:53:14.740 conduct post-sex was like i'm not saying like uh the fucking pillow talk i'm just saying like you're not 0.99

01:53:22.260 owed a relationship after you have sex with us if your conduct is fucking dog awful prior or post-sex 0.99

01:53:30.500 conduct conduct i'm not saying like in that moment after sex well no it's like you're a woman and then 0.99

01:53:36.260 like the guy has sex with you and you start treating him horribly or whatever oh yeah no 1.00

01:53:40.980 just because you fucked a guy and you're like still a piece of shit doesn't mean he owes you 1.00

01:53:44.980 a relationship of course not so i agree with sienna though there is a learning curve i think at least 0.99

01:53:49.460 for me personally but i also like i really love like kind of what you're talking about because i was

01:53:52.420 always told like you're gonna get left if you give it away too easy and but like obviously let them leave

01:53:57.140 you yeah because they're not gonna stay they're never gonna they're not gonna stay you got to find

01:54:01.620 somebody who loves you for you the dirty gritty people go through mental health crisis they go 0.93

01:54:06.580 through physical crisis they go through financial crises you need somebody who who sees you and just

01:54:12.180 loves you for your raw self and doesn't like and you're not gonna find that by just manipulating 1.00

01:54:18.500 into a relationship or pretending to be something you're not if you like sex and you're a slut say hey 1.00

01:54:22.820 i like sex and i'm a slut and if they fuck you and they leave cool deuces i'll find somebody else 1.00

01:54:27.140 that actually loves me for me and i have so just coming from personal relationship personal 1.00

01:54:34.020 relationship yeah i mean i hooked up on the first date and 17 years later it's still working out

01:54:39.220 i think you're also coming from the stance of assuming that every man wants to hook up on

01:54:42.900 the first date which is a big assumption i'm sure plenty of guys do but to say that that's like

01:54:46.900 a punishment to not do that is not really fair because not all guys want to do that on the

01:54:50.820 sure i mean i i do agree that there are men who they they're not going to make the move for sex on

01:54:56.820 the first date but it does seem to be the case that there's enough women who men will encounter this 0.99

01:55:01.780 where the man does want to have sex and the woman's like and hey you as a woman if you want to wait 0.99

01:55:08.180 a hundred years or whatever the fuck you like you can always do that it's your call but there are 0.99

01:55:12.260 women who are going to but that would be the opposite anyway i think it's also a chemistry thing 1.00

01:55:16.580 like well hang on hang on that would be the opposite that would be so even if the guy didn't

01:55:21.780 want to hook up on the first day let's say he had religious convictions something like this and he's

01:55:26.020 like look uh you know i'm not even looking for a girl who's like that if they were if they had some 1.00

01:55:32.260 understanding or were told uh oh yeah you know by the way i hooked up with the previous two guys before

01:55:37.780 you immediately um i still think that even if they didn't want to hook up they would still see that

01:55:43.140 as being problematic i still think that they would see it that way exactly that's like kind of our

01:55:48.500 point but yeah it's cool it's kind of our point but it's cool i think it's yeah like a sienna said i

01:55:53.700 do think it's a learning curve like yeah the guy can say oh yeah it's problematic that she's done this

01:55:57.940 before well maybe i didn't know that i'd get treated so badly if i just gave into like what i wanted

01:56:01.700 immediately i didn't know that and now i've learned now i've gotten older and now i'm meeting somebody

01:56:05.620 actually like and i'm going to be respectful now and i'm going to change my mind on this and i'm

01:56:09.060 going to treat people better i'm going to get treated better there is a learning curve absolutely

01:56:12.980 yeah sure but doesn't that doesn't that um present a value judgment assessment problem meaning

01:56:19.300 doesn't that bring into question your judgment for the person who you're who you're dating they go

01:56:23.940 damn just got really bad judgment then you know maybe uh i'll i'll admit that um 0.75

01:56:33.380 um yeah i uh let's say uh or for someone else right that had that past two or 0.99

01:56:41.540 yeah bad judgment it's okay to say that i mean um you know it's you know when your parents say oh 0.94

01:56:48.260 i was just so dumb when i was younger just such a dumb teenager you know maybe especially with going 0.93

01:56:54.820 in with with it thinking that you're you know you're meeting someone and you like them and you're just 0.98

01:56:59.780 naive about the dating world and you're naive about i guess how guys think but you're talking to

01:57:06.420 someone and it's kind of you're just kind of dipping your feet into i mean you maybe you just

01:57:10.580 lost your virginity or just got out of a relationship after losing your virginity and now

01:57:15.220 your friend is talking about i'm gonna download tinder and you're like wait okay maybe my i should

01:57:19.380 too right i don't know i have these feelings and hormones and you know i guess now that i've done

01:57:25.380 it whatever i don't know maybe it's a loose it's a loose but if chastity were the order of the day

01:57:30.580 right wouldn't all these problems dissolve anyway like wouldn't they just not be problems anymore

01:57:35.780 what wait what are you saying sorry yeah chastity were the order of the day i think that no i think

01:57:41.140 that sometimes men and women decided collectively that they were going to be chased instead and like

01:57:48.180 wait till marriage or something i think that waiting can be just all of these issues immediately no

01:57:52.820 because i was with a guy for four months never slept with them slept with them and it was the

01:57:55.780 worst sex in my life that i didn't even want to talk to him ever again yeah but that has nothing

01:57:58.900 to do with this issue that that would present a different issue which we get to that different

01:58:02.900 issue but i don't see how it wouldn't resolve this problem everyone everyone has their own again like

01:58:09.060 learning curve in a way and i think chastity can be you know just as good because sex and doing it

01:58:15.700 with other people it shouldn't be a person's first priority it should there should be more you know

01:58:20.980 you know let's say me for example i'm not really you know like i don't i now i'm choosing that it's

01:58:27.540 not going to be like a priority for me because there's so many things that i'm lacking in in

01:58:31.300 myself that i just want to focus on that so will i be going on future dates or whatever i mean i don't

01:58:37.940 know some people some people will wait some people won't everyone's i feel like i'm rambling here well

01:58:44.020 i'll move things on um well with chastity kind of like what you were mentioning i think it's a good

01:58:48.900 balance i think that it can be very like okay if we're going to look at it scientifically people

01:58:53.060 once again we release hormones when we have sex what is there to be committed to if you're not

01:58:56.580 having sex or seeing you know sex is not just like sex it's like you know seeing parts of you that are

01:59:01.620 like embarrassing or raw or like you know etc etc so i think it brings people closer together and

01:59:06.100 there's a reason humans do it you know what i mean so it's like this good balance between do we 0.99

01:59:10.100 have stuff outside of sex yes but also is our sex empty are we just like fucking to fuck or are we 1.00

01:59:15.300 like you know two people that like make mistakes and like i don't know it sounds like stupid as hell 0.99

01:59:19.460 but like what i'm trying to say is i don't think chastity would fix everything because what is there 0.84

01:59:23.700 to be loyal to i mean obviously people okay i do have to move things on i mean i guess final thought

01:59:28.820 final thing on this i suppose even for those of you who don't want a guy to pay for the first date

01:59:34.820 i'll ask it one more time uh this is how you would feel in the situation disregard the motivations of

01:59:42.340 why the man is doing this really just think about how you would feel in the situation you go on a

01:59:47.780 date with a guy he's expressed to you he wants he sees long-term potential in you he's really

01:59:53.700 interested in you he really really likes you he wants to go 50 50 on the bill you also know you

02:00:00.980 find out either whatever he tells you that the last five women that he's been on a date with who he had

02:00:08.980 he had casual sex with them the first night he took them to really fancy dinner and paid for

02:00:14.420 everything right knowing this that he gave them that treatment even if you're you don't care if it's

02:00:22.020 50 50 knowing that he's treating you differently he's going 50 50 with you but for those other women who 1.00

02:00:30.340 just work for casual sex he felt the need or did give them this additional benefit i guess of

02:00:38.740 paying for a really nice date does that rub you the wrong way yes at all no because i do 50 50 anyway

02:00:46.020 i like it that way so i literally it doesn't rub me the right way it does not you don't even care

02:00:51.780 no if there's chemistry i don't care yes it rubs me the wrong way but same with how if i said no to

02:00:59.140 sex on the first date and he knew all these men i and and like same with everything we could have

02:01:05.620 like she said we could have a conversation about it this is why i am doing this with you because

02:01:09.700 all these men have treated me like so and like i really like like blah blah blah he has we could

02:01:15.060 come to something i'm very i'm very like um understanding and stuff so i feel like we could

02:01:20.100 have a yeah whatever okay all right no it's not that answer you want you just want like a cut and dry

02:01:24.580 answer so yeah it would rub me the wrong way yeah at that point just let's just not do something

02:01:28.980 with money if you're just yeah we can do other things that don't involve money like kind of like

02:01:32.900 she said go to the park yeah there's no point it's like if you're going to do it go big or go home

02:01:37.060 like i don't we could either do things that don't involve money or we could do something that like

02:01:40.820 shows something yes i don't eat fast food so i would say can we just go to the park or go some

02:01:48.260 other place like a taqueria that's equally as cheap but no it would not rub me the wrong way okay no

02:01:53.620 no what do you think the male equivalent of this like analogy that you're giving would be to us 0.97

02:01:58.580 saying like oh we can just go to the park would be for sex is there one um pj just 0.97

02:02:09.860 just give me the tip baby i don't actually understand the question i don't yeah um she's 0.76

02:02:14.900 saying instead of turning into a modernized game so all of us said like oh if you can afford the first

02:02:20.820 date or whatever weekend whatever i understand so it's essentially so a guy who would not be

02:02:27.700 capable of like taking you on a nice date and the i don't know if it's a compromise but

02:02:35.460 he still is trying to put in the effort of because we're all saying we'd be cool with a picnic date

02:02:43.780 i think so but but you're saying like it's sex or or like whatever kind of right

02:02:52.020 i'm trying to wrap my head around this logically i'm trying to understand what you're saying here

02:02:56.180 it's it's so much hypotheticals i get it um yeah what would be the equivalent for a woman to do 1.00

02:03:02.740 as it pertains to sex

02:03:10.980 um maybe somebody in the chat chat i'm curious what do you guys if you guys have parsed what she said

02:03:17.380 um what would be the equivalent i'm happy to answer it i just i just don't actually understand what

02:03:22.580 what she's asking should i repeat it yeah yeah just okay so basically like all of us gave an out

02:03:29.780 for the person who can't provide on the first date he did provide for all these girls right sorry

02:03:34.980 he did provide for all these girls but for us we're saying like you know what if he showed the

02:03:39.140 effort and he if he took us on a picnic date doesn't have to be finite like no money involved

02:03:44.500 he just really showed us that he wanted us what would the woman equivalent to this be like of us not

02:03:51.140 putting out on the first date but we did for these other guys i don't think bring lunch at work

02:03:55.060 lunch at work oh that's cute yeah bring him lunch at work i've done that a bunch of times

02:03:59.780 that's cute i love that that's the equivalent to having sex on the first date i love making food 0.84

02:04:04.340 no no no i don't want the equivalent of having sex on the first date that's what i'm that's what

02:04:07.700 i'm referring to no no that's not what you're you okay so you're conflating two different things

02:04:12.900 yes it is what i'm referring to you're conflating two different things you're asking about the

02:04:16.980 expressive interest well we're saying analogies we're giving two different analogies and i'm giving an

02:04:22.100 example for one analogy okay but you need to listen to what i'm saying now don't cut in until

02:04:27.700 i finish and then you can respond okay what you're asking about is the expression the expression of

02:04:33.300 interest absent sex how can i express that i have this kind of interest in you without 0.99

02:04:38.580 fucking you okay that's what you're actually asking so that would be a good way for you to 0.99

02:04:43.620 express that you have major interest in a person without actually having sex with them that's what 1.00

02:04:48.660 i'm responding to now when it comes to this idea of like how can i reconcile with him that i banged

02:04:55.620 the previous 10 guys on the first night and not him that i don't know i have no idea how you would

02:05:00.980 reconcile that all right um i guess to wrap things up on this one um it's essentially this whole like women 1.00

02:05:14.020 not having any qualms with sleeping with a man fast but when you do meet like a relationship

02:05:18.420 worthy guy you make him wait i think it just comes down to it's essentially just a fraud

02:05:25.460 so the whole point of a woman having a waiting period before she has sex is supposed to uh 1.00

02:05:32.580 is supposed to essentially communicate that she's not someone that gives away sex so easily 1.00

02:05:38.580 having a man wait implies that i'm not easy to get into bed uh but for women like this it's i'm 1.00

02:05:46.500 going to make you wait an arbitrary amount of time because i want to give you the impression

02:05:51.220 that i'm not quick to give out sex but in actually in actuality i am just not for you

02:05:59.460 and i don't know the whole thing is a little look you're free to do it you obviously can do it 0.99

02:06:05.780 you can have a string of casual sexual encounters you can fuck guys within 30 minutes of meeting 1.00

02:06:09.940 them you can do that for like 10 dudes in a row and then you meet like that one guy who you really 0.99

02:06:14.420 like it's like okay we're going to wait three months you can do that but from the guy's perspective

02:06:21.700 if i were to find this out uh i mean one the whole like fucking 10 dudes recently immediately that's 0.94

02:06:29.380 already kind of a disqualifier but uh that would just be so that would just be like ridiculous

02:06:35.860 and i'd be like yeah you can do it but like i'm not i'm not gonna play your game like goodbye find

02:06:41.060 some well maybe it's a compliment to you though like maybe if if you are the guy in the situation

02:06:45.620 don't you feel like there's a little bit of a compliment in that this reminds me of a recent

02:06:50.100 reddit thing that we looked at so um no i don't think it's a compliment because i think if she was that

02:06:56.980 attracted to me that she would just want to have sex with me if she was that into me she would just 1.00

02:07:02.420 be wanting to have sex but the same way you just said if a woman had sex with 10 people before 1.00

02:07:07.060 meeting you she'd be an immediate disqualifier maybe she happens like i said bitches go to miami 1.00

02:07:11.460 she happens but that doesn't mean you were in miami 0.87

02:07:16.100 but that doesn't mean that she sees something in you and she doesn't want to be disqualified but

02:07:20.500 she's made mistakes as all humans do maybe you've had sex with 10 girls prior but she doesn't

02:07:24.100 want to be disqualified so she needs to show that she's growing in her mentality and so are you 1.00

02:07:29.460 like i said learning curve i don't know why it has to be like women are manipulative like yes or just 1.00

02:07:34.820 you know no right that that seems to be this the the more the more standard is like yeah that's nice

02:07:40.180 that you've grown and this and that but uh but no also no hard pass right i think that seems that

02:07:46.420 seems completely reasonable to me do you think that's every single because i i think that you're you know

02:07:53.940 you're you're welcome to have your your feelings about that if that's a hard no for you that's

02:07:57.780 completely okay as well as for brian i don't know what your name is well whether it's whether it's

02:08:02.100 hard but there's if yeah i mean and for most it would it doesn't matter if it's a hard no for brian

02:08:08.260 specifically if you're saying for most men you're saying for me down the street specifically are you

02:08:12.740 saying for most men man has the preference of saying no that's not what i i have no interest in a

02:08:19.060 a woman who has x amount of previous sexual partners there's nothing wrong with that it's 1.00

02:08:23.220 totally yeah there's yeah that's okay i think that's completely fine and that you know um if she

02:08:28.980 does meet someone that ends up you know knowing her for her and also just uh say seeing seeing her

02:08:36.580 past and making past and making the judgments on that but also being like i see that she is a very

02:08:42.980 meaningful person she has a really good heart and she's very loyal this or that then there's still

02:08:47.700 possibility that someone could be in a committed respectable relationship with a man that wants

02:08:53.140 them just as much even if they did have a past it's not it's but it depends and it's sometimes it's

02:08:59.300 weird sometimes it's with me you know it really just depends on who you meet and maybe a lot of men

02:09:05.300 will feel like a little bit just to be clear about that topic change you're saying women who have 1.00

02:09:10.660 like a passive promiscuity essentially uh there will be a man out there that is willing to date her is 0.56

02:09:17.060 that you were i'm kind of relating more to the fact that when you're like oh she did five guys

02:09:22.500 before ten guys before um you know this this world is kind of complicated in the way where

02:09:32.420 obviously um and especially with with hookup culture being encouraged and everything like that 0.59

02:09:38.260 if this girl did five people right and this was when she was like this was like a few years ago and

02:09:45.300 now she's kind of at what she's 23 years old well she can't really take those back so is it just

02:09:51.220 an end-all be-all that she is just thrown in the trash not wifey material forever and she will never 0.99

02:09:57.540 find someone that'll accept her because of something that happened that she no no so it's just it's just

02:10:03.780 so there's a there's an old proverb right not from the bible it's not a biblical proverb but there's an old 0.97

02:10:09.300 proverb um you can't unsuck a dick right so so what the what the idea behind this is is just that 0.97

02:10:17.540 uh there's for a lot of men that would be a deal breaker if you have a high body count it's not 0.99

02:10:22.500 saying that there are some men some men they might love that there might be a couple of uh 0.53

02:10:27.780 you know complete degenerate dudes who are like i love that's my thing um but what i do think it does

02:10:33.060 is it necessarily limits the pool so you're going to necessarily limit the pool so i think that men

02:10:39.780 who would be into or uh liked a woman who had like you know 30 or 40 previous partners would also like

02:10:48.340 a woman who had very few previous partners whereas the counter is not true the opposite is not the case

02:10:53.940 but i think a woman who felt that sexually liberated to have sex like that isn't interested in a guy like

02:10:59.220 either of you anyway so it really doesn't matter yeah i think both are fine you know i think it's

02:11:05.140 fine both ways that everyone can pick from their own pool doesn't mean that it's bad one way or the

02:11:09.860 other i mean i'm not sure i'm uh this is sort of like uh somebody who's about to get fired and

02:11:14.820 they're like no well i quit uh i i don't really know if i buy into this so much you're essentially

02:11:20.020 saying well if the guy would disqualify her then by sim by simple virtue of him disqualifying her

02:11:29.620 she's disqualifying him but that's same with you saying low body count we disqualify you it's

02:11:34.660 same same everyone just do their own thing if he disqualifies her that way then they're not meant

02:11:39.220 to be and that's okay and if she finds someone that she you know connects with a lot and they fall in

02:11:44.980 love and he's accepting of her past say it was five people ten people whatever i i'm not saying a

02:11:51.860 thousand okay i'm not saying that i'm saying five ten people whatever then and he had however many

02:11:58.980 people but they they look at it past judging that they look at their character completely how much

02:12:04.500 they how trustworthy they are how respectful they are how much they get along with their family

02:12:09.060 and and things like that they someone can still accept you and love you even if you have regrettable

02:12:16.980 uh yeah but we're things in the past yeah okay oh well i thought you were i thought you were okay

02:12:22.500 there's no dispute to the fact that uh regardless of whatever your past your past is you can find

02:12:28.260 somebody who will love you it doesn't like that's not even in dispute here there's people reform all

02:12:33.300 the time from all sorts of different things and are very good people in this type of thing nobody's

02:12:38.180 disputing that what i'm saying is this specifically and this would be brian's position too that necessarily

02:12:45.300 the pool for women is very broad it's very broad but if you were to look for like what you would 1.00

02:12:51.380 consider husband material like let's say the type of guy who has a lot of money he's very handsome he

02:12:57.540 has a much higher pool than most men do right so if he has to choose between women who are equally

02:13:03.620 attractive but one has a much lower body count than the other generally speaking it makes sense

02:13:08.740 why he would go for the one that has a lower body count so if this is the case then what's going on

02:13:14.020 is women necessarily limit the pool of men who are available to them by having a higher body count 1.00

02:13:20.660 that's all that's being said here wait that makes it makes total sense you said did you say

02:13:25.780 why well i was just going to say why do we not believe in change because once again we're demonizing

02:13:30.340 women for like having a promiscuous past and then waiting for their new partner i mean but my 1.00

02:13:34.260 question wait quickly i'm sorry my question is if people change and people want to be better i don't

02:13:38.980 understand why it's like speaking spanish well i don't know why i'm sorry partners because i don't

02:13:45.780 think that's better they already said that they said that so let's say this i have a question

02:13:53.140 no they already they already said that they don't care about the past reform and like you know that

02:14:02.500 there's people in the past that if they had bad stuff happen to them or they were bad they can

02:14:06.740 yeah we can look what it comes down to uh men are allowed to disqualify you for any single reason in

02:14:12.660 the same way that women and look here's the reality you women are way more picky way more selective 1.00

02:14:18.500 than men are men care about maybe a couple little things here you guys have like laundry lists of

02:14:23.620 things that you look for in men you guys are way pickier even when it comes to looks i would argue

02:14:28.340 you guys care way more about that you guys are way i think it's just shocking to you guys

02:14:36.420 and let me finish my my point so are you drinking lean what is that

02:14:41.940 no it's my energy drink is it lean hello why do you ask that i don't know bro but maybe you're

02:14:49.780 a bit intoxicated i don't know in any case you're accusing someone of being not that's just i mean

02:14:54.980 it could there could be something in there it's never said celsius by the way i've never said anything

02:15:00.660 to make you saying you were drinking lean i'm just if you are though cool i guess never done that

02:15:05.540 before so look here's the reality y'all are crazy picky when it comes to men right

02:15:12.260 so i think it's perhaps shocking to you because here's the other thing is you deal with men that 0.99

02:15:19.700 are trying to fuck you and they'll let you say all kinds of dopey shit and they'll just agree with 0.99

02:15:26.740 you because they're trying to get pussy right most men are not going to even whether maybe you have 1.00

02:15:31.780 like a like a kind of based brother or male friend who like tell you what it actually is but most of 0.98

02:15:37.780 you aren't actually accustomed to like hearing men tell you what's up and tell you yeah this is what

02:15:44.260 we want most of you never even consider what do men want you don't consider it whatsoever and so it's

02:15:53.140 and also it's shocking to you because most of you don't get rejected you rarely deal with rejection

02:15:58.340 and so for this matter you have all these men who are chasing you no guy is ever like oh has ever

02:16:04.900 like either verbalized any sort of critique of your conduct or anything that you do and so what ends up

02:16:11.140 happening is it's actually shocking to you for you to actually hear a guy articulate a standard 1.00

02:16:17.380 preference or boundary when it comes to women because most men are so desperate to fuck you that 0.98

02:16:22.980 they're not gonna they're not gonna put anything out there on this in this regard so 0.99

02:16:30.580 i think any boundary you have on a woman is fine that's like totally cool i literally don't care 1.00

02:16:35.780 okay how about this okay boundary she can't do sex work not my person cool but but i but i don't but 1.00

02:16:44.900 i don't i don't think that's wrong i don't think that's a wrong take to have at all fair enough i

02:16:49.380 just it's not my person fair enough but so going back to your point when it comes to body count

02:16:53.700 uh look as a woman if you have a high body count yeah you'll probably like still find a guy but what 1.00

02:16:58.660 would actually be wrong with like a man or groups of men or large portions of men who find this enough

02:17:05.460 justification to just reject you or disqualify you from a long-term relationship what's actually

02:17:10.660 wrong with that i think that it's actually not wrong and okay so then what's there's a sort of

02:17:15.940 acceptance of this if if it is what it is because i grew up i have a brother he's four years older than

02:17:21.700 me so yeah he's told me you know some things and uh and you know some things we agree to disagree on

02:17:27.620 some things but he's you know i know how some of it works and also you know just like you said if it's

02:17:33.780 some a bigger pool that's going to disqualify you it's it's sometimes you just need to accept

02:17:40.260 that that's how it is and that that's how society is and that that's how okay yeah you'll be

02:17:45.060 yeah but if that's the case aren't you kind of setting people up for failure if you if you if

02:17:49.460 everybody agrees that this is true then by giving the advocation or promotion to engage in that

02:17:55.380 behavior and just saying like you do you aren't you in many ways pulling up the ladder behind you

02:18:00.500 or sabotaging other women in the future because you know that this results limits their pool so 0.96

02:18:06.660 instead of saying you go girl wouldn't it actually be better to be like wait think about this for a

02:18:11.540 second because this could limit you and your options significantly in the future wouldn't that

02:18:16.740 be the correct thing to do i had a really good friend who did that uh she's from a different

02:18:20.740 country i really love her and i you know didn't always have like a you know i don't know i just didn't

02:18:26.100 always have a very good idea of dating in my head like it was always kind of toxic whether it was me

02:18:30.180 being bad or the other person being bad and then i met this girl and she was saying you know obviously

02:18:35.780 like i like to have sex we all do everybody does but you know if you want to be happier and feel a

02:18:40.660 little bit more at peace you probably shouldn't have sex with them and she kind of egged me on she 1.00

02:18:43.700 was like no don't have sex with him don't have sex with him and that made me feel um like she was a 1.00

02:18:48.580 good friend now obviously she's not like a slut shamer of course and like i said we've all made mistakes she 1.00

02:18:53.140 even said herself she's like i've had sex with guys on the first date but from my personal 0.97

02:18:56.980 experience and she's two years older than me she would just say like you know come home with me 0.99

02:19:00.980 tonight don't go home with him like she was watching me with me being like no no don't go home with him

02:19:05.460 like stay with me like you know let's treat ourselves but but the idea the idea here is to say

02:19:12.820 if if she knows that it generally leads to bad results and you know it generally leads to bad results

02:19:18.420 and you all know that it it necessarily is going to limit the pool for women then shouldn't the

02:19:23.540 advocation be to other women to not engage in that behavior that's what i just that's what i just

02:19:28.580 agreed on hang on hang on because that's likely what's going to happen so the idea of like you go

02:19:34.020 girl uh you know you do you and everyone can just do whatever they want because they're not hurting

02:19:39.380 anybody shouldn't you necessarily kind of push back against that how small absolutely yeah there's a

02:19:45.060 shit ton of people in the world like i don't think the pool and we have the internet now 0.52

02:19:48.820 i think you can push back and i agree with you yes people can think before they do one person at a

02:19:54.820 time right because the way the mics work and i have an earpiece in so i'm tapped in remotely when

02:20:00.100 multiple people start talking at the same time i literally it literally cuts everything out and i can't

02:20:05.140 hear anybody so go ahead uh final thing i do want to move things on so final thing here um i don't

02:20:12.980 think the dating pool is that small um be yourself and that's it move on oh yeah it's not too small

02:20:18.820 huh well if you want to hold on hold on hold on hold on i'm sorry go ahead yeah so if it's not too

02:20:28.660 small what do you think is going to happen when we get into the preferences of women and pull up the 0.99

02:20:33.540 percentile of men who are available in the pool that they want but do you think it'll be uh around

02:20:39.220 20 30 percent or do you think it'll be down more like under one percent what do you think 0.98

02:20:44.180 i don't know i feel like men throw their dicks at me every day so i feel like it's really not that 0.93

02:20:48.180 small i feel like if you and you have also you have so many sources now like i can understand 0.99

02:20:55.140 with you no no no no no not having sex with you if you went outside right now with a sign that said 0.99

02:21:02.100 hey any random guy come fuck me you'd have tons you'd have tons of them that would but what we're 1.00

02:21:07.380 talking about is if you wanted to establish a long-term physical marriage with somebody who 0.99

02:21:12.340 is in this like high income threshold okay uh who is over six foot this type of thing it's actually

02:21:18.340 a very small pool i i agree with that if you want a six-foot guy that's making millions of dollars

02:21:24.340 i understand that millions but i i think just a hundred thousand plus i think most women i don't 1.00

02:21:31.220 know maybe this is just me but i don't i don't really care if a man's a billionaire or a millionaire

02:21:36.180 i just want him to be able to take care of himself and it i feel like with all the tools

02:21:41.060 that we have at our fingertips the internet we have so many dating apps you can fine-tune exactly

02:21:46.180 what you're looking for so even if this is a great point actually that you bring up you're right and

02:21:52.260 because we have those tools we have the stats on it so can you reconcile something for me how is it that

02:21:59.060 that way more men than women report that they're single how could that be possible

02:22:08.420 i don't know i think about it think about it how could way more men report that they're

02:22:15.620 single than women i don't know tell us they cheat because uh what's going on is

02:22:22.340 uh a small pool of men are dating most of those women and so what's going on that's what's happening

02:22:30.980 and so that's why the pool is much much much smaller isn't that interesting okay when you say

02:22:37.300 things like oh wait i think the pool will actually be quite broad for me it's like well no it's just 0.95

02:22:41.780 that the same dudes are having sex with all of you and most dudes are not having sex with any of you 0.53

02:22:48.900 that's what's actually going on and so so so no it seems like women are basically competing for the 1.00

02:22:55.300 same types of men and so your pool's already small so if they have all that choice why should they choose

02:23:01.140 you to a certain extent i you know if your morals lie there your morals lie there and there's nothing

02:23:06.660 wrong with any type of morals i can like see 100 your points in a sense of it's what you want so you

02:23:11.540 have it and the same thing with men who have that too do i regret the hookups that i had uh yeah i think

02:23:16.980 i started having sex at a young age i regret it i didn't understand any of that and so um i would

02:23:23.220 regret a lot of the things that i've done and uh i would say cleaner 409 donated 200 the problem is

02:23:31.220 women conflate sexual attention from men for relationship attention when the fact is they 0.99

02:23:36.100 do not think about what a man wants in a woman for a relationship yo cleaner 409 i really appreciate

02:23:42.020 the tts thank you so much man really good point um you want to finish up your either way yeah to

02:23:47.460 a certain extent i would align with somebody that has you know maybe in my life i've had on traditional

02:23:53.060 morals and traditional morals in that sense i'd prefer to align with traditional morals have i

02:23:56.580 taken myself out of that pool and am i according to you nothing now maybe oops i'm sorry uh but i

02:24:01.860 going forward uh would still prefer to like you know get married and like you know get married in

02:24:07.380 a church and like all that stuff but maybe i'm disqualified so oops i'm sorry it's really not

02:24:11.540 all black and white like you're putting it so this according to the recent studies 70 of women report

02:24:17.300 being in a relationship while only 30 of men report being in a relationship wait i am a bit confused by

02:24:23.700 that so this is either so either uh one sex is significantly lying right but it doesn't it doesn't

02:24:30.900 appear that that is the case or um there's a small pool of men who are dating multiple women and that

02:24:39.460 seems far more likely to me and when you look at the preferences that women state for what it is that 0.99

02:24:45.060 they want men who are taller they make some a bunch of money they're handsome this type of thing uh they 0.58

02:24:51.300 they're not balding they're not uh you know blah blah blah blah blah that actually reduces the pool

02:24:56.740 significantly so this this doesn't come as a shock to me or to most men that this is going on but to

02:25:03.140 say that if you have a higher body count that's going to in some way not decrease this pool is absurd

02:25:08.820 right i mean it's necessarily going to these men have a lot of choice obviously

02:25:15.460 all right i'm going to move things on uh gianna let me have you read this okay

02:25:18.500 o.j simpson donated 100 i don't know why it's coming in as

02:25:21.780 chair two lied traditional corn vids out there same tattoo this was before she bought her new rack

02:25:28.580 though also shares three and eight ditch the dog collars you're welcome uh o.j simpson thank you man

02:25:36.020 appreciate it uh just heads up guys that was uh that came in a while ago is not intended to come

02:25:42.260 through as a tts but whatever it got read with the robot voice tts just as a point of clarification is

02:25:47.140 two hundred dollars and up uh you guys have a response no you can leave on the collar

02:25:52.900 why do you care what that guys put it put it back on if it puts an impression that i'm something or

02:25:59.300 whatever especially in there well now now you have to make the decision here do you listen to that guy

02:26:04.580 who says take it off or do you listen to me and for telling you to put it back on

02:26:10.100 what why don't we have uh morgan you want to throw throw it on you want to put on the dog collar or

02:26:28.900 whatever it's literally sexy i don't know why so so quick question for you guys on the dog collar thing

02:26:33.700 or whatever um that's crazy is it do you guys engage in like that kind of bdsm stuff or is it

02:26:39.300 just like is it purely like aesthetic i do like you want to be walked on a leash or no i mean i'll

02:26:47.940 lock somebody on a leash i don't want to be walked on a leash but but this one specifically i like the

02:26:53.060 way it looks yeah no but i mean i was asking if it ties into like any sort of bdsm or kink stuff yeah

02:26:59.380 okay how so um i mean this is kind of like i like bdsm but also this is kind of like the fashion of it

02:27:08.420 as well if you want to do that okay so do you do like what's your are you like master slave what

02:27:16.020 what do you do master yeah

02:27:18.340 no but i mean like are you you're the master or the guy's the master me you're you're the one

02:27:32.740 wearing the collar yeah because i want to are you a switch yes okay and real quick to to the girl in

02:27:39.300 red uh on the on uh chair two so uh that from my perspective yeah yep can you just say one thing

02:27:47.220 for me can you say um one woman and five women went shopping can you just say that for me one

02:27:54.340 women one woman and five women sorry my bad wait fucked it up oh good good one woman and five women 0.99

02:28:00.900 went shopping uh w andrew w andrew in the chat w guys w question i give it to him all right um stifler

02:28:09.220 he he's been waiting to ask this ask everyone to rate their own looks physical looks on a scale of

02:28:15.460 one to ten uh you know what we're gonna go bit out of order starting with you i would rate myself

02:28:21.140 like a on looks a seven or an eight but personality i would say a ten okay what about you i said this

02:28:29.460 last time i think i'm a nine and i think this is also ridiculous because the only person i'm judging

02:28:35.220 myself against is myself and i feel like i am in my prime so that's it period okay i'd say

02:28:42.260 eight i'd say that i'm a three and a half what girl no that's crazy i'm allowed to yeah i know i

02:28:49.300 truly i'm just being real i'm just being real and there's a lot that i'm lacking in in my looks that i

02:28:56.100 would i am going to improve on and that's just how it is so that's what i truly believe okay what about

02:29:02.900 you i mean it's super subjective i'm really tall so i feel like that's either like an immediate turn

02:29:07.540 off or like a turn on you know it goes like one of two ways so like super subjective however comma i

02:29:12.180 had super curly hair when i was little and i had this dream one day about like what i would look

02:29:16.260 like in the future and i looked exactly like that which is kind of funny because i remember oh my god

02:29:20.180 who the hell cares it's true this is true but you asked either way well i didn't need the the whole

02:29:27.460 pre uh the whole back story but um go ahead seven is my favorite number 17 to be exact so i'm

02:29:33.940 gonna say i'm a seven yes okay so seven yeah all right ten ten okay i i guess it depends but if

02:29:46.100 you're asking me right now i'd say an eight all right same depends like seven and a half eight gianna

02:29:54.180 nine was that what you gave yourself last time yes okay i get myself a five andrew what about you

02:30:00.020 you're you're oh i mean with all of these seven eights nines and tens i've got to be at least a

02:30:05.700 ten i mean i agree w andrew um love you huh okay uh subjectively he's not wrong like if if a female

02:30:17.220 is looking at him he's got a full head of hair he's got a good beard he's has a chiseled jaw

02:30:21.860 blue eyes like blue eyes he is subjectively handsome personality like you know we're just

02:30:28.500 doing looks i guess but that's so rude sorry wait i mean if we were doing personality yours would be a

02:30:34.820 zero right damn it oh well wait question uh ten right uh just for uh could you are your glasses 0.62

02:30:45.140 corrective or are they just for show they're just cute oh wait take them off you don't need them 0.95

02:30:49.620 huh just put them down over there i like them i don't know it's kind of uh it's sort of like

02:30:54.580 blocking the tenness of your face really yeah i would say ten yeah just put them over there

02:31:04.500 just leave them off the rest of the show leave them off the rest of the show

02:31:08.660 she's like i i don't want to make people feel bad

02:31:12.260 i like my glasses so i don't make them feel like it was part of the aesthetic of the outfit so 10 out of

02:31:18.100 10 with or without and are have you are there any women who are more attractive than you absolutely 0.87

02:31:23.620 i think so well how could that be though like if you're a 10 i think like you would have to say

02:31:28.260 like i'm there's women who are just as attractive as me but there could not be no women who are more

02:31:33.300 attractive if you're a 10 right okay you could feel that way it's not how i feel i'm just going

02:31:37.780 off of what you said i still feel like i'm a 10 regardless i'm not sure there are beautiful

02:31:41.700 women out there more beautiful than me but but so just to be clear uh for the sake of the 1.00

02:31:47.940 conversation i'm gonna go ahead and grant that you're a 10. you would have to agree though if

02:31:52.340 your own self-perception is that you're a 10 then certainly there could be no women who are more 1.00

02:31:56.820 attractive than you this asked me to rate myself rate their own look so i'm reading my rest of us are

02:32:02.020 a 10s i'm speaking from my perspective right so they would be just as attractive as her she looks 0.98

02:32:07.380 the way she wants to look and therefore she's a 10 she likes the way she looks so therefore she's a 10

02:32:11.380 in her own perception right but you see other women right yeah okay so if you're a 10 and they're 1.00

02:32:17.540 more attractive than you what are they whatever they want to be you ask to rate themselves but

02:32:22.900 if you're a 10 and you're acknowledging that there are women who are more attractive than you

02:32:28.980 you either have to you either have to agree that they're just as attractive as you and you were wrong

02:32:34.340 and they're also a 10 or you're going to have to adjust your ranking to be lower

02:32:39.780 no but okay so i you're gonna have to walk me through this i am a 10 but there are people

02:32:48.260 out there who are more attractive than me ergo their rating would be above a 10 they can still

02:32:55.140 be a 10 they're 10 so they're just as attractive as you it's subjective you can feel like another

02:33:00.740 woman is more attractive than i am right i feel like i'm a 10 right in your subjective world view

02:33:04.660 though there are women who are more attractive than you so how do you reconcile subjectively

02:33:11.140 you've made a determination that there are women who are more attractive than you but you're a 10. 0.88

02:33:16.580 i don't understand that sorry yeah yeah so when i'm not asking for an apology i'm asking for an

02:33:22.980 explanation i don't really have an explanation the question was rate yourself so i rate myself a 10.

02:33:28.020 sure i think there are women who are more beautiful than me so what would you rate them 10. 1.00

02:33:34.340 john is a good example of this like gianna has like such a distinctive look and she aligns with

02:33:38.020 that like look so well which is why like she looks so cool because she has a like she has an essence to 1.00

02:33:42.980 her and she aligns with it same with like you know you how you took the time to get that really cool

02:33:46.980 tattoo that probably means something to you so you aligned with a sense of self in that way like how

02:33:50.740 i said what would the tattoo have to do with because she had an idea for what herself looks like when i 1.00

02:33:56.420 envision myself i imagine myself with like a pretty rosy sword tattoo because i have that really okay

02:34:01.860 really quick just because i want to get into the tattoo thing super quick just for the for the girls

02:34:06.020 here at the panel i know you guys do all this like everything for yourselves and not men but just really

02:34:11.380 quick because attraction is like this external thing um when it comes to tattoos do you guys think that

02:34:17.860 uh if you like generally speaking tattoos when it comes to men do you think it makes men more

02:34:24.980 attractive neutral or less attractive to you can i start um sure i think more i love tattoos because

02:34:34.260 i love art and i think it's beautiful you have tattoos none but her i love oh no no oh my god

02:34:41.700 ridiculous sorry wait so just to be clear you think tattoos make you more attractive yeah okay why don't

02:34:47.460 you why and i think art's beautiful so i think it makes you beautiful but why don't you have any tattoos 0.92

02:34:53.780 then if this is your position because i'm a model and it would you know disrupt but hold on modeling

02:34:59.940 has to do with your beauty if tattoos make you more attractive and make you more beautiful

02:35:05.220 if wouldn't you be more successful model if you had tattoos tattoos model tattoo modeling yes for me

02:35:11.140 personally no but you said it makes you more attractive she can fit into every niche because 1.00

02:35:17.060 she's untattooed no but if she's more beautiful then it would it would occur to me that she's she'd 0.99

02:35:21.860 have a better time in general when it comes to her modeling career it doesn't mean more beautiful it

02:35:26.020 just means that she can fit into every aesthetic yeah but i'm using her own words she said it makes

02:35:31.060 you more beautiful yeah according to her not according to the people who are casting for the

02:35:35.300 modeling right right they're the ones that so wait just to be clear using your argument the purveyors of

02:35:41.300 beauty are wrong um yeah they also sometimes think that like the heroin sheet back in the 90s was hot

02:35:47.780 too and that was like super unhealthy so yeah it's not always like accurate with the general population

02:35:53.540 going around the table on the tattoo thing um i personally don't like um tattoos on myself i think

02:36:00.900 they're very beautiful and other women but i don't like it on myself yeah so do you think though

02:36:04.740 like when it comes to men's appraisals of women's attractiveness uh more attractive neutral or less

02:36:11.940 attractive neutral that is a hard question to answer because all men vary so much so it really

02:36:18.260 depends on the general here guys guys guys if you're asking the entire world probably less but in this

02:36:23.700 pool of men that i'm attracted to in california probably more or neutral okay neutral neutral i think

02:36:32.180 it makes them more attractive more attractive okay you're sorry you're asking if we think

02:36:40.660 i know about tattoos what we what we personally feel is attractive men with tattoos do you do you think

02:36:46.020 that when it comes to men's appraisals of uh female attractiveness will tattoos make them more neutral

02:36:54.340 or less attractive neutral neutral okay men will think it's less attractive because men are typically 0.97

02:36:59.380 into more youthful looks and tattoos diminish youthful looks that's that's a w for chair two

02:37:06.100 right there go ahead that's true um i think men with tattoos are really hot but it's but it is neutral

02:37:15.220 i also think women with tattoos because i'm bisexual so i can't answer this i think women with tattoos are 0.91

02:37:19.940 really hot sure yeah yeah i mean i i'll throw this out there i think generally speaking uh when it comes

02:37:25.940 to women with tattoos generally speaking of course they're probably like men who have

02:37:29.700 either a kink or a fetish for like heavily tattooed women but generally speaking i would say that for 1.00

02:37:35.220 most men when it comes to appraisal of uh physical looks they're going to view tattoos on a woman as 0.99

02:37:41.220 either neutral it's not it's not going to hurt you or or it's going to be a negative

02:37:47.460 so unless you have like a like a kink for it or not a kink but like uh you have like a you have a

02:37:54.660 certain liking for it it tends to fall into the social masculinity category and so since it falls

02:38:01.700 into social masculinity it's no wonder that women tend to find men who have tattoos to be sexually 0.95

02:38:08.420 desirable things like this after all it plays into the masculine uh kind of ethos uh that we would

02:38:15.860 associate with that when you think of gangas khan you think of a tattooed up warlord riding his horse

02:38:20.980 into battle right uh with women though it's antithetical to femininity so it's generally seen 1.00

02:38:27.460 as being masculine not just in this culture but in most cultures it's seen as being a more masculine

02:38:32.180 stereotype yeah um i'm trying to think if there was anything else on the tattoo thing though i think it

02:38:41.220 was just to your point you were saying well i think it depends she's got this flower tattoo and 1.00

02:38:47.300 i mean i don't have any tattoos i'm kind of with giana on that but i don't know i think if there's

02:38:53.380 like a little story but also i can see the point okay like maybe you're not into tattoos maybe you

02:38:57.540 want the whole like i know a lot of girls like harp on the whole like clean wedding dress photo that's 1.00

02:39:01.940 like a thing for a lot of girls so i don't really know i've heard that a couple times and look me

02:39:05.620 personally like tattoos aren't a deal breaker like i don't know if she had like face tattoo or like

02:39:09.700 crazy neck tattoo maybe it'd be like i mean it depends on like this the amount and then 0.94

02:39:16.980 what it like i don't know if it's something like ridiculous like she put some weird shit on her 0.97

02:39:20.740 belly button and it's like i don't know if you've seen i can't even say what do you think of the 0.99

02:39:24.980 cats are really common now the tramp stamps like on the back like what do you think of like what

02:39:29.940 do you guys usually think of that tramp tramp stamp anybody here have a tramp stamp before i throw you

02:39:34.820 all under the bus what what you do what is it is it just like a dolphin or i thought it was more of

02:39:42.260 like a people were following that it's kind of y2k or styles and that sort of thing what is it don't

02:39:46.980 put it back it says badass below in chinese i'm just kidding i'm just kidding it says strong but i had

02:39:52.580 my sister believe in that for a month yeah i mean uh does anybody have the sternum tattoo here

02:39:59.700 yeah i mean that's kind of like the tramp stamp of like the mid-2000s the sternum the little

02:40:06.660 chandelier bullshit here oh not a fan of that one everyone's welcome to their own but like the 2010s 0.99

02:40:12.740 is the rib cage things the rib i thought no is the sternum like the fucking bullshit chandelier 0.99

02:40:16.980 i think that's now but i would say 10 years ago well i mean 10 years maybe could be uh yeah not a 0.99

02:40:25.380 deal breaker but i think a lot of men like i don't think any guy is like damn you know if only

02:40:32.580 she had more tattoos i'd be more some guys are into it i actually had guys pay for me to get tattoos 1.00

02:40:37.860 as they wanted me to have more really yeah this one was paid for the one on my leg was paid for by a

02:40:42.980 guy i mean i i could maybe see the appeal of a guy wanting to brand you but i got to pick what it

02:40:49.140 was though that's the difference uh going around the table kind of related to the uh looks question

02:40:55.380 uh do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time starting with you i think into the

02:41:00.500 into the mic i think if i take care of myself yeah i think i'll still be hot okay so you're 32

02:41:07.060 yeah uh in 10 years time you'll be 42 so better looking at 42 here let's i know you guys gonna

02:41:12.900 throw up a photo and i look like a witch from a cottage i promise you i've seen my mom at 42 and

02:41:21.540 she looked just like this still so i think we're good erroneous erroneous wait i don't know i don't

02:41:30.260 know if genetics are erroneous i mean maybe this is rude but aren't you are you in your 30s i am 32

02:41:37.700 okay yeah uh 20 years time at 52 um yeah i think i'll still be pretty hot i might drop down a number

02:41:46.100 or two but but more attractive than now at 32 uh no i think right now i'm in my prime so i think

02:41:52.900 well 42 i'm sorry i feel like in the 40s is going to be the last bit of my prime i think i'll start

02:41:57.700 tapering off around 52 and then are you better looking now at 32 than you were at 22 yes okay

02:42:06.740 uh what about you you're 24 better looking in 10 years time at 34 no i don't think i will but i have

02:42:12.580 been getting better looking every year i feel like but no not i think yeah i don't know uh but

02:42:18.980 you were uh better looking you're better looking no no i'm better looking now than at 14 i wasn't

02:42:25.620 gonna ask better looking now at 24 than you were at 18. um yes i i think so i think i was different

02:42:31.860 looking and still super hot and cute but no not better you're 21 do you think you'll be better

02:42:36.580 looking in 10 years time at 31. better looking meaning do i think people will be attracted to

02:42:45.700 me by that time what do you what do you uh how about we just do how will i feel about myself how

02:42:51.540 will i feel do what will i feel attractive i don't know if it's how you feel so much as what you

02:42:58.580 think i'll ask a follow-up question after everybody answers this question okay i'll say no

02:43:04.500 no okay uh you're 21 better looking in 10 years time at 31. i'm 20 but uh i think i'll just be

02:43:10.980 different like i think rather than giving like cute i'll just give like milf you know and then i'll

02:43:16.340 just like progress to get milf so uh is that a yes better looking at 30. uh no i think it's different

02:43:24.420 i think i'm gonna give like trench coat instead of like mini dress and it's just yes or no no i don't

02:43:29.140 think i'll be better looking okay uh you're but i have a question for you then do you do you like

02:43:34.100 like how old are you if you don't mind me asking how about let me get through this i will answer your

02:43:38.260 question but we'll get through this and then i can answer your question uh you're 23 better looking

02:43:42.500 in 10 years time at 33 i don't know about better but still beautiful still hot still slaying or

02:43:49.060 whatever still oh still a 10 okay uh but not better looking i don't know if i would use the word

02:43:56.020 better what word what word would you use just different like milf a different form of woman i'm 1.00

02:44:01.540 young a different form yeah like her final form you're gonna be trans maybe you're gonna i might 0.78

02:44:07.220 well then i would be a man but i could see you as trans that's crazy that's crazy i feel like she 0.96

02:44:14.260 carries herself like she could do it you know she could she looks like a sweet girl thank you 1.00

02:44:20.580 have a penis no no no i don't mean like now you could have a penis i'm saying you could pass as 1.00

02:44:27.460 having a penis like you could rock a penis like you would i think i could rock a penis like you would 1.00

02:44:33.380 do like you would rock a penis what the i don't know i don't know what the dumb ass 1.00

02:44:38.740 shit i'm saying i don't even know what i just said okay all right um that's a compliment though 1.00

02:44:46.740 it's a compliment thank you yeah like and if you did it's it's about it's about the intent 0.97

02:44:51.780 yeah the delivery is not always perfect but really it's about the like you wouldn't have a micropene 0.97

02:44:56.580 like you know i bet she i bet she'd have a good one you'd have big penis energy or whatever you have 1.00

02:45:01.780 baby you have what is it b what is it bd bd big dick energy she has she has big dick energy yeah 1.00

02:45:08.420 thank you so much all right what about you better looking in uh your uh 35 better looking in 10 years 0.99

02:45:14.420 time at 45 i would first be inclined to say no however i if you had asked me that at 25 i would

02:45:21.060 say i'd be less attractive at 35 but i actually think that's not true that i'm hotter now than i was

02:45:25.300 at 25 so who knows what the future will hold maybe i will be hotter but if you so if you were

02:45:31.380 asked at 25 you would say no no no like hotter now yeah i would have thought i was going to be

02:45:35.140 my hottest in my 20s but i can tell you i'm for sure hotter now than i was in my 20s okay so you're

02:45:41.140 maybe better looking at 45 possibly okay what about uh 20 years time 55 um unlikely but maybe or

02:45:48.340 maybe similarly hotness but just in a slightly different way and then you kind of already answered

02:45:53.140 this but going back 10 years uh were you better looking at 25 than you are now yeah okay uh going

02:45:57.940 to you you're 23 better looking in 10 years time at 33 yes i am gonna get hotter i know i'm gonna look

02:46:02.900 hotter uh 20 years time at 43 20 years time at 43 um um i don't know i don't know i i like to i like to

02:46:18.740 think so i'm gonna just say uh okay uh better looking in 30 years time at 53 i um no no no uh

02:46:29.620 gianna you're 18 better looking in 10 years time at 28 yes better looking 20 years time at 38 yes

02:46:35.940 better looking in 30 years time at 48 yes better looking in 40 years time at 58 no so 48 when's the peak

02:46:44.500 um 48 you're so you'll be more attractive at 48 than 38 yeah okay all right um damien do we have the

02:46:58.900 not yet okay can somebody in the discord i don't know if anybody's watching uh submit the uh age

02:47:05.700 thingy what you had a question for me go ahead how old are you 35 do you do you see girls having an

02:47:12.500 expiration date looks wise um i wouldn't i don't think i would use the term expiration date i think

02:47:20.260 women there's plenty of women in their 40s and 30s that are obviously attractive uh if you were to 1.00

02:47:26.580 ask me i suppose when i think women are most attractive yeah like probably early 20s is typically 1.00

02:47:31.540 when i think most women would peak but uh there's plenty of women in their 30s or 40s that are attractive 1.00

02:47:37.140 what are you gaining out of asking this question uh well it's it's designed to gauge the sense of

02:47:44.420 delusion that so so people have people have coping mechanisms right men cope about some things don't

02:47:51.460 get me wrong but kind of a primary female coping mechanism we've seen over and over and over and over and 1.00

02:47:57.380 over again is that women don't want to contend with the issue of age basically all the products 1.00

02:48:03.380 tailored for women um that they buy up i mean like crazy off the shelves are all designed to 0.86

02:48:09.940 perpetuate youth and youthful appearances all the skin creams and makeup and everything else is

02:48:15.220 always designed to perpetuate a youthful look while at the same time women say well wait a second 1.00

02:48:20.820 uh i think i'll be much more attractive in 10 years than i am now it's like well then how come you

02:48:25.860 don't make yourselves up to look 10 years older well it's because clearly i i don't believe that

02:48:32.740 most women actually think this now there is a gal who said well okay 10 years ago um i would have 0.96

02:48:39.940 thought that i would be less attractive but it turns out i actually think i'm more attractive right now

02:48:44.100 well that may be the case right i have no idea i'm sure for some women that will be the case but 1.00

02:48:49.540 for the overwhelming vast majority of them it definitely will not i don't think this is a woman's

02:48:55.700 doing though i think woman would be happy to get older uh but i think it's not woman's insecurity i

02:49:00.660 think men put the insecurity in a man at 35 agrees that a woman in her early excuse me 0.51

02:49:05.780 and her early 20s is more attractive competing against yourself for how beautiful you were

02:49:10.500 five seconds ago no i'd be happy like i said male gaze is what informs your beauty standard that's 0.93

02:49:15.460 super weird well i'm just saying you and you look in your 40s respectfully so i'm just saying if you

02:49:21.060 guys are discussing how yeah i look my age i agree yeah wait but can we also agree that all of us kind

02:49:26.020 of said like oh i think i personally would look this good at at this age but like but talking

02:49:32.740 about society we lowered it so it's contradiction in terms so it's like when you say well i personally

02:49:40.580 think that um you know i'm a 10 beautiful gorgeous society doesn't inform how i think of myself with my

02:49:47.700 looks only i can do that while at the same time doing everything you possibly can if that was actually

02:49:54.340 your standard to look more youthful it's very bizarre to the onlooker right the reason it's

02:49:59.460 bizarre hang on the reason it's bizarre to the onlooker it's because they go wait i thought the

02:50:03.780 only thing that informed your beauty standard was you it turns out that is not the case but but the

02:50:10.020 thing is i'm not doing stuff to myself to make myself more beautiful i'm doing stuff to myself to

02:50:15.860 make myself look more like myself so i'm trying to keep myself looking like myself i'm not trying to

02:50:22.820 make myself more beautiful or less beautiful well i don't understand that makes no sense if you want

02:50:28.660 to do everything to look like you then why wear makeup at all i don't know it's fun i like putting

02:50:35.380 stuff on the face but that doesn't intend with the question she puts all kinds of stuff on her face 0.96

02:50:43.060 most like me that i can possibly look yeah i can't actually envision how you could possibly look more

02:50:48.660 like yourself than by never wearing makeup again for the rest of your life can you can you tell me

02:50:53.140 how you could look more like you better than not wearing makeup so i actually don't wear makeup very

02:50:59.780 often i only put on a lot of makeup because the lighting in here would make me look like a ghost but

02:51:05.940 i think i look very beautiful without makeup i take very good care of my skin i drink lots of water i think

02:51:11.140 i do a lot of things to preserve myself oh wait i thought the lighting that's really weird don't you want to

02:51:18.260 look the most like yourself well notice how her eyes i don't live in the dark when does she want

02:51:22.980 to look the most like how you would look in lighting like the lighting that you're in currently right

02:51:28.420 now because you want to look the most like you yeah but then people want to oh i wanted to look my

02:51:33.140 bad i think she looks like herself because like for instance she has purple hair purple eyeshadow 1.00

02:51:38.820 i would like to uh i would like to actually engage here so um there are a couple things that were said

02:51:44.180 uh you made it a point to point out that you asked me my age uh what what is your actual objection with

02:51:53.540 my statement about when i think women are their most physically attractive i just i just find it 1.00

02:51:58.740 an interesting question i'm just wondering what you're trying to get out of the question i'm not

02:52:01.460 saying it's a bad question i'm just wondering i get that but you're not even answering my question

02:52:05.860 you already said that but then you said whoa you over here is a 35 year old finding women who are in

02:52:11.940 their early to mid-20s attractive that's a little weird i don't say it was no i didn't say it was

02:52:16.260 weird i'm just saying what are we instilling here what do you mean what are we instilling with what

02:52:20.020 are you well we're looking at pictures of ourselves as older and i think a lot of women are told to

02:52:24.020 have the insecurity of oh well the second you get out of your 20s like things get a little rocky

02:52:27.940 you're actively looking at picture and that's a great to hear you know i'm petrified you're gonna look

02:52:31.780 so much better in your 30s i'm scared why are you worried about all that because i've been told to

02:52:36.340 me i didn't actually i genuinely did not in yourself based on how you think you look yeah that's what i'm

02:52:41.700 but i'm just saying considering exactly what you said every single product inside a store

02:52:46.260 is like for looking younger just as what you said i had no insecurity when i graduated high

02:52:50.500 school about my age and then i was told to have this insecurity i was told to i'm not just making

02:52:55.780 that up either so then why is your beauty standard like all of you said it's not my beauty standard

02:53:01.380 listen this guy is 35 he just said that girls are most attractive in their 20s i'm not saying it's

02:53:05.620 stop stop stop what did you finish pardon what did you rate yourself seven a seven and what makes

02:53:12.100 you seven um uh like for myself like what i what do you mean like what yeah what makes you a seven

02:53:22.900 i uh you don't know what makes you a seven i like my eyes i like my hair whatever yeah your eyes and

02:53:32.500 your hair so you're informing your own beauty standard right so if you're informing your own

02:53:36.900 beauty standard then who who cares what these products and other things i'm not saying i care

02:53:42.180 i'm just saying it's inception of the brain this is the contradiction i'm talking about i don't care

02:53:47.460 i only inform my own beauty standard i'm a seven girl because i know i'm a seven because my eyes and

02:53:52.420 hair whatever it is that you decide to point to is making you the seven but at the same time you say well

02:53:57.940 these insecurities for age they just come from products and things like that i don't i don't

02:54:02.500 hear any insecurity for it i hear you just saying i inform my own beauty standard well also like once

02:54:07.780 again if we're going to look at the mechanics of things theoretically let's say women are the most 1.00

02:54:10.900 like attractive because of like all the hormones they have in their body in their 20s okay and then 0.94

02:54:15.380 the hormones start to tip off and then all of a sudden they're less attractive whatever whatever

02:54:19.140 but beyond that we're told you know your brain is incepted to be insecure about it all

02:54:23.300 and i'm just saying even like showing pictures of us oh here's what you're going to look like when

02:54:26.260 you're 40 do you think you're ugly like yikes i'm not saying it's bad i'm just saying it's just like

02:54:30.180 i just like just be clear on your motives here you're saying you're arguing like women should 1.00

02:54:34.340 feel good about my motives you ready my motives are i think that there's a lot of women who are 1.00

02:54:39.220 coping with the delusion that in 10 years time from present day where they're at right now that

02:54:45.220 they're going to be just as attractive as they are right now that's absurd okay but like why are

02:54:50.580 why are we harping on that you can't control it you're hang on here's how i'll demonstrate it

02:54:55.220 right i'm going to ask you a question and you're probably going to lie to me you ready okay when

02:55:00.820 you walk down the street and you meet women who are in their 40s are more of them attractive than 1.00

02:55:06.420 the women who are in their 20s okay you know you want they have less hormones they can't make a baby 1.00

02:55:11.140 theoretically so we're going scientifically they're less attractive no that's valid that is a valid point

02:55:15.540 if you want to talk about sexual attraction they can't they're not they're less sexually attractive

02:55:19.380 sure but what do they smell nice because they have the old people lotion they have an ice coat

02:55:23.620 so yeah they're more attractive in that way yeah this makes no sense though if if you when you will

02:55:28.660 just walk down the street and more 40 year old women you see are less attractive than the 20 year 1.00

02:55:33.060 old women you see then what what what is informing your view all these different women's views that

02:55:38.500 they're going to be more attractive okay you're right i will be 100 less attractive when i'm 40 thank 0.94

02:55:43.620 you for pointing it out i think that's a valid concern you at 40 do you think your wife is ugly

02:55:47.460 is that what you're saying no why that's not doesn't even make sense yes it does you just

02:55:52.820 you literally you literally just called your wife ugly i'm sorry i think she's asking if your wife 0.65

02:55:57.700 has gone downhill since you got married let me help you out with logic here but you still love her you

02:56:02.580 still think she's beautiful so why are you saying that to her years hang on and how should she feel

02:56:06.660 about you guys guys guys guys stop let him if you guys gotta let him talk let the man speak if if in 10

02:56:13.380 years you're less you're less attractive than you are right now that doesn't mean you won't be

02:56:17.460 attractive right that's not calling you ugly that's pointing out that you're less attractive than you

02:56:22.660 were 10 years prior is my wife less attractive now than she was at like 25 yeah you know who the 1.00

02:56:28.740 first one would be who would tell you that my wife and every other non-delusional human being on planet 0.99

02:56:35.780 earth okay i guess it's about being realistic then uh how old's your boyfriend he's 20.

02:56:42.740 he's 20 okay have you ever dated an older guy uh no like age gap relationship no i've never like

02:56:50.260 dated an older guy okay uh so you asked why why it's important right or why we're

02:56:57.380 doing this question like it seems to be you're trying to say that oh we're just trying to belittle

02:57:03.060 women and like actually tell them that they're less attractive than they actually think they are 1.00

02:57:06.980 is that kind of your position essentially or well i'm actually just wondering if that is your

02:57:10.660 position i wasn't taking a stance i'm just wondering where you guys are standing so then

02:57:13.860 yes what is your position well i'll tell you why one i think it's important and i'll tell you

02:57:19.380 why i suppose this question gets asked one it's just sort of to get a sense of women's 1.00

02:57:26.100 self-perception of their own physical attractiveness uh this is important when it comes to dating this

02:57:31.940 is a dating podcast after all so if you have for example and this could apply to men too

02:57:38.580 if you were delusional for example and you thought you were how about this do you guys all know maybe 0.99

02:57:45.700 you've met a man who thinks he's fucking hot shit who thinks he's he's god's gift but you're like 0.98

02:57:54.020 you ain't you ain't fucking nothing like yeah like brian thanks andrew appreciate it so you've met a guy like 0.99

02:58:02.740 this right uh do you think that uh but how are you i guess one able to make the determination 0.97

02:58:11.540 he thinks he's hot but he's not right and so do you think a person who thinks like this

02:58:18.580 is going to expect a partner of a certain caliber that they're not actually likely going to be able to

02:58:25.700 secure would that be a fair statement like if you think you're for example let's say there's a basement 0.98

02:58:31.700 dwelling virgin neck beard having morbidly obese cheeto dust having discordian god damn can you 0.96

02:58:41.460 guys stop fucking interrupting and just let me get through a sentence perhaps a paragraph it would be 0.99

02:58:46.580 appreciated all night with you guys you've been interrupting me you've been interrupting andrew 0.99

02:58:51.060 he lives in his mother's basement do you think this guy is gonna get a victoria secret model no

02:59:00.820 talking about me again brian what's that talking why are you talking about me like this brian he's

02:59:06.500 just gonna put me out there like that that's anyway yeah to to his question though

02:59:11.940 but he thinks he's a 10 out of 10 0.86

02:59:19.060 does he have a shitty personality i was just about to say that i don't care how 0.97

02:59:22.420 fucking good his personality is and most of you would immediately disqualify him on the basis 0.99

02:59:28.980 of his looks and standing in life alone right i don't know for me can you guys be good faith like oh 0.98

02:59:37.700 yeah there's you know uh you guys always want to argue like the outlier you always want to argue

02:59:43.540 just in general you think most women want to date the morbidly obese cheeto dust having virgin neck 1.00

02:59:50.980 beard living with his parents playing video games all day smoking weed the answer is no no just sometimes

02:59:58.740 you guys can just grant an argument and be like instead of just me oh well there's some girl out 0.98

03:00:03.940 there who's a victoria secret model that would fuck him you could just say no no i i wasn't going 1.00

03:00:09.060 to say that i was just going to say i was going to say no but i was also going to say there's some 0.99

03:00:13.860 girl out there he has motivation and let's say he's in his mom's basement all the time because he's 0.98

03:00:17.940 he's hustling online and doing like baller shit then i don't know but he's walking through a nursing 0.98

03:00:23.940 home he's ambitious you're walking through a nursing home and you got the pictures of the women in the 0.99

03:00:28.660 nursing home when they were 25 and you were like hey granny take a look at you at 25 do you think 0.90

03:00:35.220 that you look better now or at 25 what do you think granny's gonna say she's gonna say that was

03:00:40.260 some good times yeah why do you think she's gonna point to her 25 year old self as looking better than

03:00:44.980 she does right now well because she's not on the verge of death no no she's not on the verge of death

03:00:50.260 she's a spry granny well i don't know she got another 10 years objectively hotter she's objectively 1.00

03:00:56.100 hotter you are right so i'll get i'll get back to uh why it's important i guess the point i'm trying

03:01:02.420 to make here is that you guys all agree that there's plenty of men who think they're hot 0.96

03:01:07.460 shit but they're not and perhaps they think they're deserving of the certain caliber of woman 0.98

03:01:12.260 that they're not really deserving of i'm sure you guys have seen this from not phenomenon of 0.99

03:01:17.300 oh man she's like why is this beautiful girl with this really mid guy right one this is because 1.00

03:01:23.060 women have make awful appraisals of men's physical attractiveness and their own attractiveness 1.00

03:01:29.060 on a societal level you're gassed up by society in addition to this you're gassed up by your peer

03:01:35.140 group all your friends i could go to any single one of your instagrams pull up a photo and there's 0.98

03:01:40.980 your entire friend group or acquaintances or whoever the fuck is following you on social media 0.98

03:01:46.260 slay queen you're beautiful you're 10 out of 10 you're the oh my god baddie i can pull up any of 0.99

03:01:52.420 your instagrams regardless of how mediocre or average any of you are and your friends will tell

03:01:57.940 you that you're beautiful i you know look i'm not maybe you're great people and all but like you guys

03:02:04.820 are gassing each other up to the point where you guys are thinking you're tens but you're not here's

03:02:09.540 where the issues ends up women and men are very different right you're we're totally different

03:02:17.140 now here's the i guess there's many ways where this totally is a catastrophe when it comes to the

03:02:23.220 dating landscape here's the biggest uh if i step to a victoria's secret model and i say hi i'm brian

03:02:32.020 i'm making myself sexually available to you obviously it wouldn't be as autistic as that 0.96

03:02:36.020 but like you get the underlying point i'm instantly getting rejected instantly getting rejected

03:02:45.460 so sorry i'm losing i'm trying to kind of frame this as best as i can

03:02:51.620 men get rejected on the front end if we try to step to a girl who's outside of our league 0.90

03:02:56.740 we don't get a date we don't get a conversation we certainly don't get sex

03:03:02.100 the difference is when you women step to a man who's outside of your league 1.00

03:03:08.180 you get a date you get sex you don't get commitment and so you get rejected on the back

03:03:15.460 end and so what ends up happening is because you get sexual access to men who will never give you 0.97

03:03:20.740 commitment they'll keep you around for maybe they'll fuck you once maybe they'll keep you around for 0.99

03:03:25.700 for they could even string you around along for a year you got girls in situationships for years

03:03:32.820 and these guys don't want to give you commitment and so what ends up happening is a couple things one

03:03:39.300 you're you're dealing with men who are orders of magnitude more attractive than you it could be looks

03:03:45.060 it could be status it could be personality and this is dangerous in so far as you think that's what 0.99

03:03:51.620 you deserve so a lot of women spend their 20s fucking and dating men that they can't lock down 0.99

03:03:58.180 for a long-term relationship they get into their 30s the men who are actually on their level are still 1.00

03:04:03.060 there here's i want to give you a relationship i want to give you a relationship i want to give you 0.97

03:04:06.580 a relationship ah okay i can't get those men i finally come to the conclusion that i'll never be

03:04:12.260 able to get those men time is ticking i need to get married i need to have kids you settle for the

03:04:19.140 guy who's actually on your level but you still because you've your own self-assessment of where

03:04:25.140 you stand in the dating marketplace has been so warped by your sexual access to men who are outside 0.91

03:04:31.060 of your league oh i can here look if you can sleep with a guy who's a nine that don't mean you're a nine

03:04:39.540 the guy you can get a long-term committed relationship from the guy who will give you a ring that's your 0.98

03:04:44.900 league not the guys who you can fuck not the nfl players not the rap musicians that's not your league 0.97

03:04:51.860 if look if you can get commitment from them maybe it's your league your league is the men you can get 0.99

03:04:57.620 long-term monogamous relationships and a ring from absent that just because you can fuck an nfl player 1.00

03:05:04.580 and he's a 10 doesn't mean you're a 10 so what but because you have access to these men if you think 0.97

03:05:12.580 you're a 10 or whatever or you sleep with men who are hyper attractive it's going to be one kind

03:05:19.860 of damaging to your self-esteem to be constantly passed around by men and never being able to secure

03:05:24.420 commitment from them you're going to look at men who are actually on your level as below you this is

03:05:28.900 going to be make for a terrible relationship you're going to be like like once you're once you're used

03:05:36.420 to a certain treatment or certain caliber of men it's going to be very hard for you to reconcile

03:05:44.180 oh now that i'm 30 i have to settle for like mr average even if you're an average woman that's why 1.00

03:05:51.220 it's important for y'all as women to be realistic about where you stand in the sexual and dating 0.98

03:05:58.820 marketplace because again so okay here i guess to wrap up i'll say this if i can have sex with a girl 1.00

03:06:06.740 there's a high probability mike in terms of there's a high probability a high confidence level 0.94

03:06:14.980 i can get that girl in a relationship if i can have sex with her can you guys say the same when 1.00

03:06:20.900 it comes to the men that you can have sex with do you genuinely think that just by virtue of you being 0.86

03:06:27.300 able to have sex with a man you can get him into a relationship i would imagine you're not quite as

03:06:32.740 confident there not at all anybody here how about this have you guys had the experience of you've been

03:06:44.820 sleeping with a guy you really like him you want a relationship and he's like no no no pump the brakes

03:06:51.140 i'm pretty confident if i can sleep with a girl i can get her into a relationship instantly 1.00

03:06:56.420 within the i can get her into a relationship that night that's the same argument as just you

03:07:02.340 know pumping the brakes and not having sex with a guy first that's the same argument that we were

03:07:06.100 having yeah because if you know exactly your point if you know that if a man can have sex and get into

03:07:12.340 a relationship but a woman men say yes to anything theoretically so then that's why the argument of 0.98

03:07:17.380 like trying to like regardless of your past trying to like be like no wait okay because like what you just

03:07:22.420 said i want to test if he actually likes me if he actually thinks i'm in his league not just because

03:07:25.860 i'm fucking an nfl player well i will i would i would tend to agree with you that the longer you 0.99

03:07:32.180 make a man wait the greater likelihood that it can be a filter for men that just want sex like you will 1.00

03:07:38.900 start to get some men are willing to wait though like dude some dudes wait in the fucking shadows 0.99

03:07:43.860 they'll wait months they'll be like okay waiting around put her on the slow burner i'll take her on a 1.00

03:07:48.420 date once every two weeks i'll get it eventually some dudes will do that but there's also guys 0.97

03:07:53.540 who are like man i ain't gonna go on eight days i'm just trying to fuck i'm not gonna go on any 0.99

03:07:57.220 dates so that protects you from the argument that you're making if we know that men can have sex and 0.94

03:08:01.540 then not actually see us as their caliber that that's the protection i feel like we lingered on

03:08:05.140 that converse like the conversation an hour ago i'm not trying to bring it up again i'm just saying

03:08:08.980 that's like the answer you're trying to say that you know that's the answer but my yeah a woman could 1.00

03:08:14.980 use that as a filter to like try to yeah reduce the potential pool of men that are just trying to 1.00

03:08:19.940 fuck her if you're just making a statement i suppose i could agree with you but can we stick 0.65

03:08:23.780 to the topic at hand i am that was my answer to the topic at hand however sure i guess like theoretically 0.99

03:08:28.100 yeah i could agree with you agree with me insofar as what what like what are you agreeing with me on

03:08:37.380 just so or if you have theoretically the argument is if what you just said uh-huh if you have sex

03:08:44.820 with a girl you could probably get her into a relationship but if a girl if but the inverse 0.84

03:08:49.540 of that then it's like if a girl has sex with a guy that doesn't mean that she'll get into a 0.99

03:08:52.500 relationship with him yeah okay regardless whatever right but i was i was not trying to use that

03:09:01.140 in are you just making a statement what are you wanting i'm giving like an answer to that

03:09:04.980 what you you it was actually a question that you posed i'll explain to you why we're talking about

03:09:11.860 the looks and the rating thing okay i'm not really inclined to go back to the conversation prior that

03:09:19.220 was my answer but okay then why are you still talking about it then you brought it up lady but

03:09:24.100 you're still talking about it i said okay and then you're saying it again and then i said okay and then

03:09:28.660 you're saying it again and then i said okay okay so you asked me a question why are you at oh my

03:09:33.620 you're saying it again that's so funny i'm literally not you asked so you asked me originally

03:09:40.020 you asked me originally the question of oh why do you toxic men want to like have women rate themselves

03:09:46.180 it's like it's actually almost in an effort to see if we can bring you back down to earth so that you can

03:09:53.940 move in the dating marketplace not with like ridiculous expectations and standards for men so that

03:10:00.340 you don't get burned because you're chasing after giga chad when the reality is most women are average 1.00

03:10:06.980 you're chasing after men who you're you're trying to date well above what your own looks prospects and

03:10:13.460 personalities warrant okay that's what i'm trying to get at i completely agree and this is why i mean

03:10:20.820 this is evidenced by just the reality of hypergamy it's evidenced by what's going on dating apps

03:10:26.260 10 of date of men on dating apps are monopolizing all the women 1.00

03:10:33.940 that's why it's important you want to stop dealing with fuck boys that 1.00

03:10:37.140 are fucking 10 different chicks and dealing with you or do you want to actually get into a relationship 1.00

03:10:42.820 i would agree with that you want to get into a relationship let's have a real conversation about 0.99

03:10:46.980 like okay uh am i like chasing after men who are like emotionally unavailable who are like the top top

03:10:54.020 tier of men and like yeah i can get sex from them and it's like super cool like they're really 0.81

03:10:58.980 attractive and i'm really turned on and i'm really into like having sex with these men but they're never 0.94

03:11:04.660 going to give you a relationship can i add something sure i generally don't go for men that are more

03:11:10.500 attractive than me i agree same yeah i think most women don't to be honest i think we go for other 0.91

03:11:16.980 things but like typically on the attractiveness scale it's typically like not always but typically the

03:11:22.900 woman is more attractive i don't think we care about looks as much as men do we care about a lot 0.94

03:11:28.020 of other things but not looks as much as men do and i've had the opportunities to fuck celebrities that 1.00

03:11:33.700 i've said no to like i don't like that's not the end-all be-all like i think women want connection from 0.88

03:11:39.220 men so i i feel like the majority of guys that i've dated like actually fell in love with and dated have

03:11:45.300 been way average i think that um as someone i guess i can say from my standpoint from how i do

03:11:54.260 realistically look as i believe i am a 3.5 and i have had um sexual relations with with someone that

03:12:01.540 was um you know i guess what would you say out of do they say out of your league like would they look

03:12:06.740 better than me i mean that sort of thing just be more attractive and and and i think that and i think

03:12:10.900 that even though they did that with me that's not going to i like to be in reality too that's not

03:12:15.460 going to inflate my ego and be like oh wow i must be absolutely gorgeous and i have nothing else to

03:12:20.660 work on because he would know you know it's it's not like i'm there's so much i have to work on within

03:12:25.540 myself to be relationship material and that you know and also looks wise too and just because

03:12:32.580 he's you know gonna do that with me doesn't make me a 10 i'm still going to again say that what

03:12:39.300 would i truly believe i am yeah look i don't think women are you've maybe you've had a sexual 0.99

03:12:44.180 encounter with like a hyper attractive guy that doesn't necessarily mean like you're forever behold

03:12:49.620 into like you know it's gonna spell doom for all your other relationships but like let me ask it this

03:12:56.340 way um have you guys um ever like hooked up with a guy who was like had a bunch of roommates and he

03:13:04.180 actually like not just housemates like had a roommate and like you gotta like schedule that 0.93

03:13:09.380 shit if you're trying to hook up with the dude and it's like some girls even be like fucking the dude 1.00

03:13:15.620 and the dude's in the room yeah or like the you you have a roommate this happens in college all the 1.00

03:13:21.380 time at least here like locally just because i don't know rent's crazy people have like living in

03:13:27.060 triples quads in dorm rooms uh people like are hooking up in front of their roommates kind of

03:13:34.260 weird but whatever um have you guys had that experience no no nobody okay how about this have

03:13:40.180 you ever like i'm trying to think of like the least cringe one have you ever had the experience of

03:13:47.780 uh like a guy who lived in like a really i know this isn't like the most important thing like

03:13:53.540 probably you care more about like the guy's character and like whatever but you ever gone

03:13:57.300 from like a dude who had his own place to like and then you dated a dude who's like i don't know 0.86

03:14:03.620 about like kind of shitty living situation you're kind of like damn it's gonna be hard to like go back 0.97

03:14:08.260 to like shit i gotta scamper through the hallways to get to the bathroom type thing you know it's hard 0.99

03:14:13.860 to go move backwards in that similar vein i feel like once you've fucked with a certain type of dude 1.00

03:14:20.020 dude it's like hard to like go back once you've had a certain level of like either treatment

03:14:25.700 or experience it's hard to like that's like your new threshold that's your new standard

03:14:31.700 agree i don't i don't agree it's hard but i guess you're saying it's you you deal with like a a-lister

03:14:37.940 then you go slumming i get it no he wasn't an a-lister he was a nobody anyway i dated a guy who

03:14:43.300 before i broke up with my ex this past time gave me money five hundred dollars for no reason just

03:14:49.380 to go shopping i still went back to my ex when he was sober and i still held more value for him

03:14:57.620 even though i could have had it easy with the guy who sent me five hundred dollars better with your ex 0.94

03:15:03.540 did you even hug up with that guy i did yeah was the sex better with him no the new guy the sex was 0.98

03:15:10.020 better no no wait so sex was better with my ex because we had a connection yeah okay was he is 0.98

03:15:16.020 your ex uh taller no more physically attractive no

03:15:26.340 well i mean look there there is something to like continuity right like if you've been in a like

03:15:30.180 a long like you love this guy right yeah you love him so i mean there's that there's that component

03:15:34.900 too um but just to be clear um you you were on a break this guy was giving you gave you five

03:15:46.180 hundred dollars to go shopping he was more physically attractive uh but you went back to your fentanyl

03:15:52.820 addicted boyfriend is that he was sober when i got back oh excuse me excuse me i don't know if like

03:15:58.900 that's a great argument but i mean i'm just saying like you're saying it's hard to go back

03:16:04.740 i went back i'm telling telling you my experience was good yeah i agree with that it was good but

03:16:09.140 also like i had love for the person i valued that person when he was sober okay all right i don't

03:16:14.900 think it's as hard as you're painting it to be yeah i think that even if someone does have

03:16:20.260 say like good sex with another person you could if you really have someone else that you love there's

03:16:26.660 a connection there's so much more depth than just the sex you can very well go back to or the living

03:16:32.340 situation or the money yeah yeah okay sex doesn't define everything so well it's not just sex but

03:16:38.660 i mean it could be other components too like what i mean like the chance of you getting like really

03:16:45.220 hung up hung up on doesn't have to be just like the sex was really good but that could be a component

03:16:50.180 of it it could be like he's just like really physically attractive or it could be like his

03:16:54.660 personality is just like he's super charismatic really magnetic whatever it is it could be his status

03:17:00.580 maybe he's got a lot of status maybe he's providing for you in some way maybe he's like

03:17:04.100 paying for dates getting you gifts 500 shopping spree it could be like any number of different

03:17:09.860 things is it like always going to happen not necessarily there's a lot of factors at play

03:17:14.420 here when it comes to relationships it's not totally black and white but i mean i would argue that when it

03:17:20.180 comes to women like you guys have access to certain men that'll never give you commitment and then it's

03:17:25.460 just like there can be this component of like i do think there's a component of like once you like

03:17:32.980 roll the dice and like land on a dude that you got digmatized doesn't even have to be sex when i say 0.97

03:17:38.340 digmatized it just means like his personality was like holy you're just like holy shit or his looks or 0.97

03:17:44.660 his status or his money or whatever he was bringing to the table like you can date a certain caliber of 0.89

03:17:51.380 dude that's gonna make you think like oh man that could be that like we've had for example this

03:17:58.020 doesn't this isn't all women we had a woman on the who on the panel who was married she was married and 0.86

03:18:04.740 she was saying while i was having sex with my husband there was that one guy that i was thinking

03:18:10.580 about and she ended up divorcing him and she so it was the sex was really good he was really attractive

03:18:16.180 etc it's like you can like for you ladies you gotta be careful because you could land on a dude 1.00

03:18:22.340 who does that to you and you're like ah the one who got away and then like that's a big l for a dude

03:18:29.780 to be like you're with a girl and she's you're with her right she cares about you she likes you

03:18:36.180 but like in the dark recesses of her mind she's like are you seeing intrusive thinking it could be but

03:18:41.460 in the dark recesses of her mind she's like still fucking hung up on her first love or the guy who 0.99

03:18:46.740 fucked her really good or whatever it is you know may i speak especially i'll grant it you 0.99

03:18:51.940 have my permission no go ahead go um you know actually i here's the thing i think that you have 0.98

03:18:58.500 that i'm not admitting to anything okay all right go ahead um i'm saying that human beings have 12 000

03:19:05.460 to 60 60 000 thoughts a day it depends on what thought you attach to we have intrusive thoughts all

03:19:11.380 the time sometimes there are some times where it's better to just keep it to yourself rather

03:19:17.540 than being so honest about it and also thinking hey welcome to my brain i just had this thought in

03:19:22.500 a half of a millisecond do i really truly feel that way no if you have if you're it depends on anyone

03:19:29.460 else's morals and it also depends on how much they want to be in that relationship with that other

03:19:33.380 person if they're having sex with that person and they do truly believe it's very sacred but also

03:19:38.100 they just have an intrusive thought for a split second it doesn't mean that they're necessarily

03:19:42.900 hung up and people have the choice also to be like that was an experience i had a long time ago that's

03:19:48.980 an intrusive thought i love this person that i'm with and i'm just going to let that thought pass by

03:19:53.620 we don't have to define that's actually fair thought that we have i'll actually grant that uh but i'm

03:20:00.260 sure you would acknowledge that while for some women or men even who have this experience uh while it

03:20:08.740 could be the case that it's totally benign and there's no actual you know any issue you'd you would

03:20:15.060 also have to agree that there are women who are like in like new relationships or even long-term

03:20:22.180 relationships who still have feelings for exes there's many women out there yeah and actually 1.00

03:20:28.900 like one of my exes i liked him so much that i would actually find guys who looked just like him

03:20:36.260 and then be with him and just imagine it was him if i'm being if i think that's a yikes yeah but i but

03:20:42.260 we could say the same for men and women too it's not just women men are i've never been having sex with 0.75

03:20:47.460 a girl than like thinking about another girl that's yeah thank you i want give me give me

03:20:55.140 more alkalids i guess i don't know that's just may i add something sure um i think you make a valid

03:21:01.060 point that women maybe are sabotaging themselves in their dating situation if they're like looking 1.00

03:21:06.180 outside of their like league or whatever however i think you're wrong when it comes to when they

03:21:11.300 finally quote unquote settle down being like less satisfied in their relationship because i've

03:21:15.940 actually read statistics that women are more secure and satisfied in their relationships 0.88

03:21:19.940 when they feel that they are more attractive than their partner wait hold on yeah

03:21:27.780 um women are more secure in their relationships if they feel they're what about when they're out of 1.00

03:21:34.980 the league of their partner yeah but what about the flip side to that i don't know we have to ask a

03:21:39.540 man that's so here's the well here's the flip side the flip side is yeah because then it's conditional on

03:21:45.060 options and the reason that most women initiate divorces uh over men is because the number one 0.99

03:21:51.540 thing is well we have irreconcilable differences not because there's abuse or even money problems they

03:21:56.580 just put irreconcilable differences so they prefer to be in the seat of control where they have a higher

03:22:02.660 level of attractiveness so then they have more options that's why or maybe they just feel like

03:22:08.580 they're less likely to be cheated on because maybe they've been cheated on in the past i don't know

03:22:12.660 there could be a variety of reasons we're both just speculating here well then they wouldn't be

03:22:16.740 then why would they be the ones who would be doing most of the initiation when it came to divorce

03:22:21.620 there's plenty of reasons maybe the guy just stopped listening maybe he's sitting in his

03:22:25.300 grandma's basement playing video games with cheeto dust on his obese belly but but if she thought that

03:22:31.460 he was more attractive and the better option right that he was not replaceable in that regard

03:22:37.140 probably far less likely to initiate a divorce right just like men if they think okay well

03:22:43.060 i don't think that i'm going to be able to get a woman who's more attractive than this one they're 1.00

03:22:46.260 going to be a lot more prone and likely to put up with her right not necessarily if if it ties 0.99

03:22:52.660 i mean i mean that seems to track doesn't it do you think that men are more or less likely to put

03:22:57.140 up with a woman's because she's hot honestly i don't think any of this is low it really depends on the

03:23:03.300 severity before red dress cuts in and destroys another perfectly good conversation perhaps we

03:23:09.300 can just finish this real quick do you think that men are more or less likely to put up with a bunch 0.97

03:23:16.660 of bullshit from a woman if she's hot more or less likely more likely but we're talking about the 0.97

03:23:22.820 opposite here no no no we're not we're not really if that's the case then it would put the control grid of 0.99

03:23:28.740 the like hot matrix up front so if they were settling for a man they thought they were more

03:23:34.020 attractive than that would put them in the condition of control whereas the opposite if they were

03:23:39.620 settling for a man is more attractive put him in this in the situation where he was in control

03:23:44.820 so if that's the case then uh it makes sense that oh this guy will put up with a lot more 0.97

03:23:51.460 shit from me because i'm more attractive than he is right that makes sense doesn't it more likely 0.97

03:23:58.660 yes is that the way it is i mean as uh as someone who was married to someone who was very very very 0.99

03:24:06.020 attractive like ex-olympic water polo player six-pack abs tall dark and handsome i i still initiated that 0.98

03:24:14.500 but it wasn't just because he was hotter than me it was also because his personality started to suck

03:24:21.620 but i've heard you talk right and i've heard you say that you think uh your assessment of your 0.93

03:24:25.860 own attractiveness levels and this and that uh the fact that you have movie stars or something

03:24:31.460 like this who are available at your beck and call to not beck and call and things like this if well

03:24:37.700 okay yeah i'm being hyperbolic but you know rock stars whatever they are you know a a-list celebs

03:24:43.620 whatever it was that you were mentioning that you had at your beck and call doesn't seem like you think

03:24:48.180 that a man like that is not replaceable from your standpoint so this is uh this actually makes my

03:24:54.260 point not yours right well now now on the other hand is your ex right do you think that he has

03:25:01.140 rock star women and famous women at his beck and call probably not i think he'd be stuck with what 0.94

03:25:08.500 he was doing yeah but yeah see what i mean so i mean it makes my point really

03:25:13.620 uh do we have the age thing yeah okay we're gonna pull up the age forwarded photos let's do it okay

03:25:25.460 i have to point this out though for chair one okay because my chat's been saying this non-stop so i have

03:25:30.340 to tell you what they're saying they call you tulsi blabber i don't know who that is but you know

03:25:35.140 who tulsi gabbard is i just think that i just thought it was really funny but i don't know who that

03:25:40.180 is i get whitney cummings a lot though and sometimes and megan fox a lot yeah megan fox i

03:25:46.740 get when i'm at the club because i'm a stripper too i forgot to say that uh i also get that sometimes

03:25:52.100 but i get i get brad pitt brad pitt yeah brad pitt george clooney all the time you know yeah yeah

03:26:00.260 yeah i can do it all right uh go ahead pull it up

03:26:07.940 that's bad all right next i don't know these are like

03:26:12.740 hey it's nothing but a mini facelift can fix that there you go next i know a good plastic

03:26:17.060 these are pretty low res that's cute where's uh next wow that's ugly we need higher res ones uh

03:26:26.500 next it's still hot sure i told you in 10 years next okay

03:26:35.620 she's the 10 i told you the glasses are doing a lot of heavy lifting on this one oh please 0.99

03:26:40.580 next she's 10. still hot still hot where's ghost when you need them okay next oh i'm so scared

03:26:51.620 all right oh we gotta here guys uh we're gonna do twitch we got a video we got an mg speaking of

03:26:57.620 uh megan fox yeah we're reacting to a video of uh her boyfriend husband oh mgk uh but first let's go

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03:27:32.820 katiyaner katiyaner totally kat katiyaner thank you for the prime c walker thank you for the prime

03:27:42.420 appreciate it man thank you thank you all right uh pull up the uh get that mgk video i want to get

03:27:48.180 the panel's reaction on this it's kind of old but somebody sent it to me i want and so it uh pull it

03:27:55.460 up don't play it right away but yes we're getting it pulled up guys like the video like the video

03:28:05.700 you're enjoying the stream guys like the video all right so um this woman uh well we'll just go ahead

03:28:12.820 and just let it play through

03:28:36.820 let it play through let's watch the hug again leg around crotch

03:28:46.820 crotch thrust pause it pause it uh so we're gonna read uh it says this was the best day of this is

03:28:53.140 the woman posting this her husband is recording it this was the best day of my life colson and i had

03:28:59.540 quite the isolated moment of good vibes after this he's such an amazing man uh by the way best day of

03:29:06.820 her life uh thank you to my husband for this surprise interaction of a lifetime um and the husband said i

03:29:14.980 got you passes and next week you're going to go meet him so there's a couple things here one she's

03:29:20.420 saying this is the best day of my life two she's with her husband is that an appropriate hug

03:29:28.740 to give a man who is not your husband absolutely not anybody depends on the man whose it is oh wait

03:29:37.940 why are we looking at a video that has 724 likes wait where do we care oh my god bro what is what

03:29:45.380 depends on the relationship i think that was really why does the amount of likes have anything to do

03:29:50.340 with it it doesn't have enough likes for it she's cheap make sure we get it up to 1.5 1.00

03:29:57.780 k so that we can talk about you know what wait you know what i agree if george if the george floyd video

03:30:05.380 only had a hundred likes it wouldn't be worthy of news coverage that's a great point stop it brian i can't

03:30:12.260 breathe no i'm just wondering why we care about it i don't know i just don't care i because it's

03:30:17.860 it's i don't see why the likes matter this is like something that could arise in some dating

03:30:23.940 situation oh yeah okay how about here what video do you want us to react to find us a video we'll 0.95

03:30:31.300 react to that shit no what do you want to talk about yeah it's really inappropriate that she put 0.99

03:30:36.340 his leg up on his comb like that oh and also did you see the ab rub yeah after that was hand on 1.00

03:30:44.580 stomach that was loki crazy oh let me get a she treated him like guys treat me at the strip club 0.98

03:30:51.540 it's very that's exactly the same thing how would you feel if you were her husband i'll get 0.86

03:30:55.700 you i wouldn't be okay go ahead i believe it's truly abhorrent behavior and honestly i think that

03:31:03.380 if you should have first of all respect and boundaries for your partner that partner is

03:31:07.780 probably going to be very that probably put a new insecurity on him as well as the fact that

03:31:13.140 you're taken and if you really love someone just because you might have a celebrity crush

03:31:17.540 that does not you can give them a handshake and really tell them hey i really admire you can

03:31:22.180 think in your head you may have some desire fantasy somewhere but you can say hey i really

03:31:27.060 admire you been listening to your music for a long time and i just want to say that you got me

03:31:30.660 through some bad days and then take a photo that's it respect your partner as well as not humiliating

03:31:36.340 your partner you know as well as the fact that he's also that mgk he's also taken as well so that's

03:31:42.740 disrespectful to yeah disrespectful to uh his status so i just and also just uh uh everywhere i i

03:31:50.660 think that girl really needs to do some reflecting and also that that guy however he felt i think

03:31:58.180 it's okay to voice it your reaction into the mic um yeah i mean i feel like it's just like not that

03:32:06.740 cool because it's like you're like i don't know i feel like it puts the husband in like a like like

03:32:12.820 that's kind of embarrassing for him for sure especially on social media um i understand like okay she likes

03:32:18.260 his music once again but like i don't know i just feel like it's embarrassing for the husband and

03:32:21.940 more importantly like i don't think you want to embarrass your partner and like your reaction

03:32:28.260 um i feel like the husband bought her tickets to go see him he's clearly not insecure about it the

03:32:33.140 hug itself was weird like i don't know i'm not like that fan behavior is really weird to me in general

03:32:38.500 but like i don't feel like the husband was triggered by it like i don't feel like that bothered him like

03:32:42.900 she's clearly a huge fan of him has been wanting to see him whatever the case is oh well i have 0.99

03:32:47.380 criticisms of the man too here like one you're a cuck that's what i was gonna say like cucks are 0.99

03:32:54.020 bro well how are you gonna like how are you gonna bring your wife to go meet another dude yeah like 0.98

03:33:02.180 you ever seen those like crisps no that's fine you know because after all he got her ticket for the

03:33:08.340 behind the scenes event the next week i think i mean it was really nice of him but i don't think

03:33:13.620 he thought that the hug was going to go that way at all so him seeing that was like wow that's

03:33:18.420 didn't know it was going to really go that way i thought you were just going to kind of shake his

03:33:20.740 hand but you kind of went all the way up his butthole i just don't think that's right it's a 0.65

03:33:25.700 meet and greet though like if you're paying to meet the celebrity you know you're going to get

03:33:28.900 a hug or a picture out of them the groping was weird like i'm not defending her on that like that

03:33:32.900 was weird but there's layers to it but i think the husband went into this knowing like there was

03:33:37.540 going to be some form of a emotional interaction with her and it could have just been like her like

03:33:42.340 oh my god i'm touching this person that i idolize and i love and it could have just i don't know it

03:33:46.180 was weird but still i mean it is mgk though it is no i mean but like

03:33:57.060 i don't i'm not really i don't follow his music is he like he's a rapper like has he done like

03:34:02.420 profound like is he like has he done like an eminem stan thank you i i don't feel like he's on this

03:34:11.780 like insane level where it's like your music touch it touched me i don't know i don't listen to his 0.96

03:34:18.660 shit i don't know i don't either i really genuinely think i think something's gonna touch that lady 1.00

03:34:23.620 that's for sure do you think like she would if the husband gave yes a pass she would fuck him 1.00

03:34:32.740 absolutely that's a yikes major yikes and it's a yikes for morals as well if you even if you find 0.99

03:34:38.340 them the most attractive if you have morals and also are in a loyal relationship and you love them

03:34:43.220 enough even if you have to have the self-control to say no no i will i will not even if i'm just

03:34:49.620 saying if it was snoop dogg i would do 10 times worse than that and i don't care about the morals

03:34:56.980 okay what snoop dogg would you also snoop dogg i don't think i would grope anybody no just would 0.86

03:35:06.900 you hit like would you smash snoop dogg d to the double g or whatever yeah yeah yeah the dizzle 0.73

03:35:14.980 he's so unk now d to the v oh i'm thinking like the wu-tang clan or something i don't know um 0.72

03:35:21.780 okay i know snoop so i can hook you up if you're single you've met him i'm okay why are you looking

03:35:26.420 at her on me that's so cool i'm going around the table your reaction to the clip um i mean i guess

03:35:33.460 it depends on the relationship but would i hug mgk or any celebrity like that no i think that's not right

03:35:39.220 for my relationship but and my biggest problem with it really is that if it was switched and that

03:35:44.100 was megan fox and a guy hugged her that way it would be like oh my god that guy's such a creep

03:35:49.460 blah blah blah so i just think that's a double standard honestly that bothers me more than anything

03:35:52.900 that girl is just as creepy for that fair your reaction i don't think the husband cares but that 1.00

03:35:58.020 that was a weird hug gianna yeah i don't think it mattered i agree with her the groping was a little

03:36:04.500 weird but um if it's the best day of her life so be it i do do you think here's imagine the best day

03:36:11.860 of your life being hugging another man who's not your husband i'm pretty sure she was exaggerating also

03:36:17.860 like when people say literally but they don't mean that look like it was exaggerated to you

03:36:22.180 i mean i'm sure that she had other best days of her life i don't know i mean maybe just arguing for 0.87

03:36:27.940 the sake of being argumentative but i mean i can put two and two together and best day of my life

03:36:32.980 groping hug like that concert tickets the next week it's not looking good for him is it like just from

03:36:40.020 the bird's eye view like just asking you directly right it's not looking good for this guy right not

03:36:47.300 looking like if you're if you're not if you if you would just stumble across this story and it wasn't

03:36:51.540 mean old andrew who you had an exchange with earlier in the podcast and you weren't just being

03:36:57.140 disagreeable because you hate my guts but rather we're just looking at the story itself it's not

03:37:02.340 looking good for him right also also i do i do wonder do you think she's ever hugged her husband like 0.90

03:37:12.020 that i don't yeah she probably has never definitely taken in the butt by him so the mgk thing is 0.51

03:37:22.420 i want to count how many what's i think it's i think i think it's a it's also a part of like 0.94

03:37:28.900 dehumanizing as well because when you idolize someone and you're you sexualize them and everything like 0.66

03:37:35.300 that i think it's different when you meet them and you know hey this is a person he poops pees just

03:37:42.180 like all of us also he's married and also he just has feelings also people normally have boundaries hey

03:37:47.780 maybe don't touch me there you know when i meet you so maybe it would just you know be best to also

03:37:53.060 respect not only your partner but just them as a human being and just maybe just focus on what i

03:37:58.180 mean they want to do for their fans anyway is for them to want to focus on their artistry

03:38:02.020 sure all right music we're gonna get through the pre-show notes here i'm gonna try we're a little

03:38:06.340 behind uh there's a lot to get through so i'll try to get through it quickly uh so kiki going back to

03:38:11.620 your notes you said that uh dating topics you'd like to speak on men wanting to receive men not

03:38:20.180 needing to put in the work what do you mean by that i feel like i've just seen that time and time again

03:38:24.180 where it's like you know they just i don't know i just feel like they like don't want to pick you up

03:38:29.700 they do like everything they want to like meet you halfway and all that stuff and they want to feel

03:38:33.780 like like you text me good i don't know like you text me you call me you hit me up you do this you do

03:38:39.220 that and i just think it's ugly okay uh any girls here agree with that just show of hands i suppose

03:38:46.980 okay uh you also i'll i'll kind of address that but i'll get through some of your notes here you said

03:38:52.420 why has basic standards of courting gone out the window yeah for all of us not just men like for

03:38:58.500 like all of us like i feel like and myself too like i've treated people badly i've been treated

03:39:02.980 badly you mean men you've treated badly yeah how so um i definitely just in my past like you hit it

03:39:08.660 and quit it uh yeah like that's bad like they wanted more and you were like no no no i've like

03:39:16.180 done no it's just certain you know personal experiences that we've all you know yeah how did

03:39:22.580 you treat somebody like a guy badly i guess um you cheated yeah i did once uh when i was like

03:39:29.700 a lot younger i uh yeah and i feel really bad about it and uh either way how long were you dating that

03:39:34.820 guy um was it the five-year guy no but uh it was like somebody on the off um yeah and i feel pretty

03:39:43.860 bad about that it's those experiences back in high school when you're not really right yeah like i'm this

03:39:48.660 is me like as an underclassman in high school like the prefrontal cortex yeah like the prefrontal

03:39:52.500 cortex yeah fully developed yeah that's what i'm talking about yeah um but so you said standards

03:39:58.180 of courting but that's what i'm saying i think in our generation we've just been taught to like with

03:40:01.620 tinder and with like a lot of things in that way we've kind of been we've just thrown like it out the

03:40:05.940 window where it's like yeah come over immediately and all this stuff but i just think it's boring like

03:40:10.420 i want to go out and hang out with you and do something i don't want to just go to your apartment i

03:40:13.700 don't want you to just come to my apartment like i'm that's but you did do that though yeah i've

03:40:19.460 done it but i'm like not i'm not like we're not into it we're not into that not into it you want

03:40:26.820 the courtship right yeah very much so but you said you said it was like on both men and women's parts

03:40:33.940 um so i guess what you already kind of mentioned like guys not wanting to pick you up oh let's meet

03:40:39.300 there um maybe what are some of the other things that men are not doing when it comes to

03:40:45.140 the basic standards of courting like planning things or being like oh like whatever we'll

03:40:49.380 figure it i don't know just like not hot like i'm just trying to find like an example like you know

03:40:52.660 what's hot like them being on time and them control taking control like that's hot sure um and then

03:40:59.940 you mentioned though that this isn't just for men it's also women i guess in what ways are women not

03:41:05.700 holding up to courtship standards um

03:41:14.980 i don't know i'm thinking like i don't know like maybe yeah like maybe like the constant like

03:41:19.620 i've had open relationships before and that's been on my terms where i was like yeah i want to have an

03:41:23.700 open relationship uh and i feel kind of bad because i feel like i was just kind of what an open

03:41:29.220 relationship means to me personally and i regret doing this to other people is um i'm not i need you to

03:41:35.140 fill my cup i feel i'm going through something i want your attention and vice versa because this

03:41:39.940 has happened to me as well so i'm going to stay with you for the companionship but i don't feel

03:41:44.980 like there's enough there to be like loyal to you like or only think about you and i regret doing that

03:41:50.500 and i think it's a waste of time i wish i spent more time uh completely single i've definitely spent

03:41:55.140 time single but like i said i started dating when i was 14 so that's kind of like not i wouldn't

03:41:59.860 recommend that to like other younger people um and you so you were you said that men who like

03:42:06.020 receiving or don't take pride in putting in the work like picking girls up paying on the first date

03:42:10.820 like just inviting girls over um unless that's like what both of you are down for like you're like yeah

03:42:18.100 i just want to like have sex tonight whatever like can i ask you a quick question to interject very

03:42:23.380 quickly um what do you think chivalry is um i think it's the proof of like i said i like proof 0.59

03:42:31.620 um it's the proof that i'm like willing to show that i like you the proof of i'm on time i'm picking

03:42:37.460 you up i'm taking you here it's not about them like giving me what i want it's the proof that i know

03:42:42.740 i like okay i'm i'm wanted does the woman have to be on time too um yeah so if i pick you up and you're 1.00

03:42:52.500 running 30 minutes behind yeah that's not nice that's disrespectful yeah how late were you for

03:42:57.620 the show today was a code it was a code that night slipped by for a proper reason yeah i was late

03:43:02.820 inside of inside of this code women were valued and the reason that they were highly valued is because 1.00

03:43:08.340 they were considered pure and chaste and so men would actually fight to the death form very famous 0.90

03:43:13.780 two french knights uh french i can't believe it but they actually fought each other uh jean and jacques

03:43:20.500 because one essayed the other one's wife and they took it petitioned to the king he wouldn't uh

03:43:25.780 he wouldn't assist so he challenged him to a duel and he killed the much larger knight why because

03:43:32.020 the woman he was fighting the duel on behalf of was a pure woman when he married her he had fought

03:43:36.660 tooth and nail to take her hand in marriage right so if there's not the chastity and the purity and

03:43:44.100 the virtue aspect for women why in the hell should any man ever ever in a million years extend the 0.76

03:43:52.420 code of chivalry that's that i've never understood that i guess that makes sense to a certain degree

03:43:59.060 but it's also just once again like the intentions of people and also marriage is a very long thing

03:44:03.860 like marriage lasts forever and i'm not saying i'm opposed to either well i like obviously i'm in

03:44:08.820 like a state of wanting to be like more exclusive but what i'm trying to say is it also makes sense to me

03:44:13.060 when you know if you're married for the rest of your life and you start dating at 18 like it makes

03:44:17.300 sense that maybe you want to like have a relationship where you value each other's partnership and time

03:44:22.180 and like you know you know partnership in life but you know you also need to like breathe a little bit

03:44:26.580 because you've been dating since you were teenagers and such the same thing with my ex like since we

03:44:29.940 started dating when i was literally 14 it kind of made i mean i'm happy that we were off and on because

03:44:34.340 my development as a human being wouldn't have been you know healthy if i was consistently with my ex

03:44:39.940 from age like 14 to 19 like that's crazy that's not good for me so it like well wait wait a second

03:44:46.180 so i mean at the same at the same time that you're saying that compromising virtue right is actually

03:44:52.980 good for you yes it gives you because it gives you experience or something no i'm not saying

03:44:57.540 compromising virtue in a sense of like yeah have sex with a ton of people or not but what i'm trying

03:45:01.460 to say is there is a lot of any people pardon about any people but if you're not with somebody then

03:45:07.540 that makes sense to have sex with people you know learn new things about people like not just

03:45:10.900 sex but like but this would be a compromise this would be a compromise on the virtue of chastity

03:45:15.540 right well if you're on and off with somebody and you're like off and you've been dating for five

03:45:20.340 years and you're learning new things about people and it's not just that like being single there's

03:45:24.340 more to being single then hang on can you answer this question okay how is that not a compromise in

03:45:28.980 virtue if i'm off with somebody and i have sex with somebody else yeah if you're well the assumption

03:45:34.980 if i'm not dating somebody and i have sex with somebody else is that hang on if you expect

03:45:38.500 chivalry the idea that men will sacrifice literally everything on behalf of a woman and they will by

03:45:46.340 the way right uh why shouldn't they expect virtue in exchange i mean to a certain extent yeah that

03:45:51.700 makes sense like that's why what i'm trying to say is i've changed my brain i'm happy that i was on

03:45:55.460 and off and i've lived and now i'm in a relationship and now you know i'm going to be loyal to him and he

03:46:00.500 treats me well is that what you want i think that's the answer right well i mean i'm just i'm

03:46:06.340 just asking yeah that's that's how i feel i'm just wondering but it seems like you're kind of

03:46:10.500 speaking out of both sides right like on the one hand you say yeah but i need new experiences and

03:46:15.300 this and that yeah because of the because of the age that we met and the duration of how long that

03:46:20.660 relationship lasted at that age you know i mean you shouldn't i don't think i think i it's not a great

03:46:26.180 idea to be with somebody for your entire teenagehood that's a developmental time of your own sense of

03:46:30.980 self and if you're dating somebody then why be with anybody well that's kind of what i'm saying

03:46:36.820 you know yeah you shouldn't be with anybody in your teenagehood i would agree with that yeah so when

03:46:42.180 you're old enough to make decisions to be with people though all right the idea here uh with chivalry

03:46:47.620 if you if you want to know why chivalry is dead the old line is because women killed it 0.97

03:46:51.780 the idea here is that um if men are supposed to have an uncompromising value towards women where

03:46:58.260 they'll pay for everything they'll take good care of you they'll fight the dragon slay the proverbial

03:47:02.980 dragon as it were on your behalf to have a token from my lady then they want to have chastity and 0.64

03:47:09.060 virtue in exchange that's what i want from there is no there is no chastity and virtue to be found

03:47:13.780 in modernity so why the hell would anybody ever expect there to be that sort of chivalry all right

03:47:18.660 from my understanding of relationships i agree with you i'm loyal to my boyfriend and he's

03:47:23.540 like what's the word he's respectful to me that's not you know everybody but that's how that's where

03:47:30.020 i am and that's how i feel so chivalry i can't say that word i'm sorry thank you chivalry say it with

03:47:37.300 me chivalry chivalry thank you andrew um chivalry all right go ahead so then i would say

03:47:46.260 would you not protect your sister if she got s8 or would you not protect your mom if somebody

03:47:55.060 treated her bad or your dad i i feel like the reason that is dead is because women stopped becoming 0.99

03:48:00.740 property and so when you have property yeah go ahead i'm sorry i didn't mean oh no worries it's okay

03:48:07.300 andrew um so i feel like women are no longer kind of considered that we're considered more of our own

03:48:14.740 entity um and i would say that's kind of the reason why everything's changed i agree you can

03:48:21.940 say considered your own entity eh uh are you going to take your husband's last name no we're making

03:48:27.140 our own last name together of course you are so anyway it's thrills so hang on so so this aside

03:48:34.660 right the if you think about it actually makes sense if a husband did actually consider you to be

03:48:40.100 an extension of him then he would protect you right because you're his other half or you're

03:48:44.820 part of him yeah so of course he protects you and will do whatever he can make whatever sacrifices

03:48:49.780 he possibly can for you but if you're not willing to make this the sacrifice becoming one flesh with

03:48:54.420 him in the same way that you would become like the melted one person which would require taking his last 0.94

03:49:01.300 name uh yeah then i mean why why should he give a shit and ultimately when you're talking about what 0.96

03:49:06.980 about protecting mom and sister and uh you know things like this well i would still say that that's 0.90

03:49:13.220 a part of an honor code which has been passed down and that is pre-chivalric roots to protect your own

03:49:19.540 bloodline uh but that that has nothing to do with maladying and slaying a dragon for a complete stranger

03:49:27.300 or for a woman that you're courting and taking care of all of her problems and whatever responsibilities 0.99

03:49:32.500 you're going to adopt from that uh if they're not chaste and pure on on their part for their

03:49:37.220 virtue so they would just be a one-sided contract being fulfilled then right if you if you feel like

03:49:42.020 that is the most important thing to you then sure but i feel like i don't even think men really

03:49:47.300 care about that much anymore at least i would say oh okay let's test that let's see if that's true

03:49:53.860 so let us assume for a moment that it was you and i don't know whatever guy you think is a chad

03:50:00.820 okay okay it's you in your current state or it's you in your current state but you're a virgin

03:50:05.860 and he had to take the pick right of marrying you which state do you think he'd prefer you in

03:50:12.500 like just a random chad whatever random chad you would be interested in 1.00

03:50:18.340 i don't know i think he might take me for who i am now why because i really know how to suck a dick 0.99

03:50:24.020 yeah oh yeah well i mean i mean well it's not having sex is totally not intuitive it's not like 0.99

03:50:31.140 people haven't been doing that since oh i don't know a lot of time super hard who could figure out

03:50:36.580 that the pp goes in the who could ever how could you ever just i don't know this without having 0.98

03:50:41.940 hundreds of partners filling you with semen how could this ever be possible it's ridiculous i don't 0.99

03:50:47.140 know i don't know my face procreation's a lot different than good sex yeah it's ridiculous 0.99

03:50:53.540 well by the way what frame of reference would you have for what bad sex was if you'd never had 0.97

03:50:58.420 it with anybody else exactly but i yeah exactly so if you were a virgin and you ended up with a guy

03:51:04.260 and you had sex with him you would have no frame of reference to say it was you would know because

03:51:08.100 you didn't orgasm yeah you would just think it's a myth you wouldn't know that you were even supposed to

03:51:13.140 what would be your frame of reference well then that's society people talk about it you'd be like

03:51:17.220 what's all the hype about that wasn't that cool people were chased and had virtue right so even be

03:51:23.140 a problem and the idea by the way that you can't grow in sexual compatibility with the person that

03:51:29.140 you're with is also crazy right and not everybody starts off with a great sex life and most people

03:51:35.460 do end up with one because as you familiarize yourself with the needs of your wife or your husband

03:51:40.500 um over time you definitely can grow in sexual compatibility this idea that you have to go and

03:51:47.300 try out the cow because otherwise you don't know it gives you milk i think is crazy well but that aside

03:51:53.220 back to this where's the virtue part well i i wasn't going to say just because the sex thing i was

03:51:58.820 actually going to say because i have more education i'm more established i i know what constitutes a good

03:52:05.460 relationship a bad relationship all of it is you yeah right in your current form it's just you're

03:52:12.020 also a virgin or you're not a virgin which state do you think that that guy would prefer you in i think

03:52:18.100 the guy would prefer the experience of course that's just my opinion so so i just want to let you i just

03:52:24.660 i just want to let you know the entailment of what you're saying that you think that any of the omega 0.98

03:52:29.380 chads that you would be interested in if you could tell them hey look i've sucked 100 dicks versus 1.00

03:52:36.260 i've sucked zero dicks they would go damn it damn it i would really prefer if you'd go out and suck 99 1.00

03:52:43.060 more penises so that you're worthy of me do you really think that does that even sound reasonable 1.00

03:52:48.500 or rational to you i i okay i understand where you're coming from however i feel like it's not a 0.98

03:52:53.700 deal breaker i feel like the past that's not the question the question isn't whether it's a deal

03:52:58.420 breaker the question is what state do you think he would prefer you in i'm saying you say i he would 0.99

03:53:04.820 prefer me in the state where i'd suck 99 more dicks than his i mean and i think that that sounds 0.99

03:53:11.860 fucking retarded i know it sounds crazy to you i thought you were not gonna say that word 1.00

03:53:16.260 that's the way you think like i don't know i wouldn't want a virgin i would not want a virgin i would 1.00

03:53:21.460 want a dude that's fucking slammed clam and just like knows how to give it to me yeah okay so men 0.99

03:53:27.140 and women are different let's test the logical extension if i wasn't supposed to say the word 1.00

03:53:31.220 i'm sorry i didn't know that that was against the violation but anyway um let's test this out 1.00

03:53:37.220 what if it was a thousand dicks do you think that he would prefer that you sucked a thousand dicks to a 0.99

03:53:41.700 hundred dicks i don't know a thousand dicks is a lot yeah but why i mean what's the threshold 0.99

03:53:48.260 breaker wait a hundred dicks isn't too much but a thousand dicks okay then what's just one bridge 0.95

03:53:53.060 too far then what's the difference between just like sleeping with one guy a hundred times and 1.00

03:53:57.780 sucking a hundred dicks yeah well the difference is the extension of how many different dicks 0.99

03:54:03.220 right and by the way it's also the idea of the revulsion comes from the loyalty threshold but 0.99

03:54:07.540 would it also so if a woman has been with one man let's say she's been with one man for 25 years okay

03:54:13.700 and uh he dies and she's a widow okay her loyalty threshold for other men is extraordinarily high

03:54:22.660 it's super high yeah right but if she's slept with i don't know 60 guys yeah right uh her loyalty

03:54:30.820 threshold for that man significantly decreases so this is where the revulsion portion also comes in for

03:54:36.260 men i just would like to hear you repeat this though that you think whatever chad you you would be 0.95

03:54:41.940 with what or that you would be interested in would vastly prefer all of the bodies and penises you've 0.99

03:54:49.460 sucked and fucked and all this over having you in your most chaste form and that you honestly believe 0.99

03:54:55.380 that i have a good question i have a good answer for that i would say a monogamous chad would care 0.99

03:55:01.700 a polyamorous chad would not and i think the reason why you and i differ as far as the statement

03:55:08.180 okay it's because our relationships are different the chad who wants to marry you yeah chad who wants

03:55:13.300 to marry you wait you're poly right yeah can we just move this to like i it's just not even i don't

03:55:18.340 know if it's even i'm like i'm like right there at the end of the exchange just real quick he's like

03:55:22.740 so close to winning the argument guys so anyway you should cover up you should cover up your panty

03:55:30.180 shot but anyway back to where i was at um yeah i had to look but anyway back to where i was uh i would

03:55:37.780 just i would just like to note that you think that the man you'd be interested in marrying would

03:55:43.140 actually prefer you to have the higher body count yeah yeah okay i'll leave it there okay but hey that

03:55:50.420 was interesting so i appreciate it yeah i enjoyed the exchange well i think it'd be interesting to bring

03:55:55.860 it to perhaps one of the other girls here at the table uh who are in relationships or who have had

03:56:01.300 relationships um because a lot of you cite to well i'm more sexually experienced because i've

03:56:06.340 more men um i think men would rather have a low body count in general i like agree with that yes yeah

03:56:14.180 like i just i don't think most men would so here's the entailment okay my girl will be

03:56:20.260 better in bed but that entails she slept with an additional 10 or 20 men before meeting me 1.00

03:56:28.580 i don't think most men are like gonna make that trade-off so like no man ever oh i really wish my

03:56:36.740 girlfriend fucked more men before she met me said no man ever i don't think anyone thinks that no 0.81

03:56:42.740 but i do think that like when you have like when you meet somebody you have a connection with them 0.97

03:56:46.020 like i've never had a guy guys i've never had a guy who meets me gets to know me likes me and is

03:56:53.220 like not okay with who i've slept with because they get to know me they like me they love me there's like

03:56:57.860 love trumps everything and so yeah i've had a past you're who i meet now i'm loyal to you now period

03:57:04.820 point blank bye but if you don't like it then cool you're not for me and i'm not for you i can also

03:57:09.540 understand from your point there that um you know yes that that's true uh a lot of men will

03:57:16.420 not like a girl with you know will not be very attracted to the fact that a girl has uh you know

03:57:22.020 i guess been around in that way as well as the fact that even maybe the girl will feel that way herself

03:57:27.860 when when i was in my relationship like and i'm you know it was true true love and everything like

03:57:34.660 that i even wished that he was that i saved myself for him that i didn't hook up with all those you

03:57:40.980 know other people or that you know i didn't have a past because when you i i felt like it's it was

03:57:47.140 that sacred that i i really wish that it had only been him but at the same time you can't turn back

03:57:52.900 time but sure obviously you you know and he accepted me you know and and um i do want to i do

03:57:59.940 want to bring it bring it back to the topic of chivalry though um i was kind of away from the

03:58:04.580 table there shouldn't it go both ways uh if if a guy wants a traditional girl she should be 1.00

03:58:09.540 traditional and if a woman wants a more traditional guy he should be more traditional it's not one or 0.95

03:58:14.020 the other there's both sides need to improve i think in society sure i i would agree with that um

03:58:20.260 but i think going back to your points you're saying well these men they aren't doing all this

03:58:24.020 courtship stuff and i think andrea asked this but i did want to go around the table on this um

03:58:28.980 um uh when you guys going around the table when you get married uh will you take your husband's

03:58:34.500 name we put it together oh you you're already you're married no but we've talked about it and

03:58:40.820 no we're not hyphenating we're making a whole new name together okay sure yes i'll take my husband's

03:58:46.100 name yes yes definitely sure well sure what do you mean sure i mean you seem a bit on the fence with

03:58:52.820 it how about this it's a bad last name does that change anything oh then i don't want his last name

03:58:57.380 don't want his last name change anything for you not like something i don't care it's just i

03:59:02.260 don't know i didn't take my ex-husband's last fleek fleekle docent i don't know some but it's

03:59:07.140 a bad last name you take his last name i think having his last name's hot okay you take it you

03:59:11.940 don't take it though if i don't like it then no no really okay um i did take my husband's last name

03:59:19.540 but partly because we were going to combine it and make a new one um then there was some drama going

03:59:25.380 down to my family right around the time that we got married and i said i do not want anything to

03:59:29.300 do with that last name anymore i'll take yours this is my new family okay what about you i'm keeping

03:59:33.620 both so yes yeah like both my last name and his she's hispanic so so you're you're hyphenating yes yes

03:59:42.900 that's what i'm gonna do okay and then gianna what about you i would hyphenate as well you would hyphenate

03:59:47.540 uh do you want a guy to pay for the last first date no do you wanted the guy to pay for the first date yes 0.59

03:59:53.460 you wanted the guy to pay for the uh what okay so just to be clear you want a guy to be traditional

03:59:59.300 and do all this stuff but why won't you be traditional yourself it doesn't have to be

04:00:03.700 traditional in all aspects oh so just the aspects i see just aspects that benefit you he's got a point

04:00:11.060 i mean i don't if my partner wants me to take his last name sure if it's really significant to him and

04:00:17.060 it like means the world to him absolutely i'm not gonna fight against it i'm you you just said if it

04:00:22.340 was like a bad last name if it was a bad last name i'll be like okay maybe i don't want your

04:00:25.940 last name but i love you let's get married oh so you want to get married too you want to get married 0.72

04:00:31.780 you want to get married how much should the guy spend on the ring i i don't give a i don't really

04:00:36.020 care okay he buys you an amazon's cubic zirconia wedding ring you're fine with it if if the proposal

04:00:42.660 was a ring pop yeah sure ring pop um my mom's wedding ring broke my dad got her a cheap wedding 0.77

04:00:49.460 ring and it literally broke she hasn't had a wedding ring since since they've been married

04:00:52.660 for 20 years he's never replaced it her wedding ring literally broke it got her an all-american

04:00:57.700 steel band but so 20 bucks never break i want a secure ring i want a ring that stays together

04:01:03.220 in what ways do you have to be traditional do i personally yeah like what ways are you traditional

04:01:09.300 um i don't i don't know i don't i wouldn't say i'm very traditional but you want a guy to pay for

04:01:14.020 the first date yes because i feel like paying for the first date you're paying for my time like i'm

04:01:19.860 i feel i'm valuable as a as a woman and you're paying for your time to be with me no not a prostitute 0.66

04:01:27.220 so wait why i'm giving you my energy i'm giving yeah so is he okay that's fine okay so you guys should

04:01:33.300 go 50 50 then no the the same here the same exact amount of time that you spend on the date

04:01:40.020 he spends on the day too so well you're saying court me i'm i'm the woman i'm gonna be providing

04:01:46.340 for the home essentially if you're talking about traditional women really on the first date what

04:01:49.780 are you doing on the first day no i'm not i'm not saying on the first date but if that's if that's

04:01:54.020 the plan if we're planning to get married i as the woman am adding value as a woman right

04:01:58.820 to the household so initially like you're courting me like i'm traditional in that sense then what

04:02:04.820 what sense in the sense that i want to be courted you're traditional in the sense that you want the

04:02:10.660 benefits of courtship um i am traditional in the sense i'm not against 50 50 you're right i'm a total 0.98

04:02:18.740 i'm a i'm a fuck boy i'm traditional in the sense that i want a virgin woman but i won't pay for first 1.00

04:02:25.860 dates and i'm not going to protect you i won't take the bullet for you i won't provide i won't 0.99

04:02:31.140 protect i'm also like um super feminine i'm not masculine like all these things i'm totally reasonable

04:02:40.180 totally is that is that a fair proposition no you have to be on the same caliber as me you have to be

04:02:45.140 also adding value you won't take a guy's last name i would i i never said i wouldn't you did say you

04:02:50.100 wouldn't you didn't say if i didn't like it we can have that conversation we can yeah why does that

04:02:53.780 matter because maybe i just don't want the ugly last name yeah but what okay wouldn't the the sheer 0.90

04:03:00.020 tradition of a woman taking a man's last name trump your superficial desire to have a cool last name 1.00

04:03:08.980 no we can discuss that if that's if what's there to discuss okay we can discuss me paying for you on

04:03:13.460 the first date let's discuss it let's have a discussion i want to negotiate this i want to

04:03:18.660 negotiate our gender roles okay okay i'm not going to pay on the first date okay yeah okay

04:03:26.100 cool is that a hard is that a hard no we probably wouldn't go on a date yeah right exactly it would

04:03:31.780 be hard no if we wouldn't pay for the day right i mean i think it depends if i really like to if we

04:03:36.740 got a time to know each other i'm going to say yes i'm i assume what do you think the best place

04:03:41.620 is to get to know each other well in modern dating we're usually i don't know maybe it's

04:03:47.060 an instagram dm maybe we i don't know tinder you usually get to know each other you know like

04:03:52.180 on a date yes yeah like getting coffee together i think you should run errands together and build

04:03:58.100 an ikea furniture and then you will know that's so i love that i would go on a boat trip i didn't

04:04:04.500 work out look i guess we're on like a date those all sound like dates though who's paying for the

04:04:11.300 ikea furniture we'll just steal it that was actually a great example of a first date he took me on the

04:04:20.180 date he went with me he built the furniture i paid for the furniture he showed me he liked me he did it

04:04:26.740 i paid for it no money spent by him put your furniture together what the guy came over and put

04:04:32.740 your furniture together for you he sure did it's a hundred percent requirement for me did he get

04:04:38.900 some eventually yeah like he was he was my boyfriend for a while oh but he had to wait yeah

04:04:45.060 so he came over he did the handyman stuff and then left that's a hard like it was a fun date we

04:04:50.980 like got to know each other yeah i mean it's not so black and white as oh he built my furniture

04:04:55.140 i have sex with him no like we got to know each other we hung out um so that's cool cool story bro

04:05:01.380 um so going back to you you were mentioning the court courtship stuff um and perhaps all of you the 0.84

04:05:07.380 other of you who said men should pay for first dates how about this like if we're talking about

04:05:11.940 should claims right if we're talking about what men should do what women should do uh men should pay 0.63

04:05:19.300 for first dates fair i think so men should pay for first dates men should pay for first dates 0.96

04:05:24.660 uh what about this should women should be virgins fair no no not fair should be virgins women should 1.00

04:05:34.420 be virgins no no yeah is that fair are you saying like wait till marriage is that your stance

04:05:42.020 i'm just i'm just throwing out a should statement you're saying theoretically women should be women 1.00

04:05:48.020 should wait till marriage is that your stance yeah sometimes the tables don't turn that way how

04:05:53.300 about this a woman should be submissive to her husband what is that what do you mean by that 0.57

04:05:58.340 oh i don't know you're the traditionalist here shouldn't you know i'm not no i'm not like a

04:06:01.780 hardcore traditionalist that's why why since when is being submissive hardcore that's like bare minimum

04:06:06.900 um submissive in what ways are you describing submissive how do i define submissive how do you

04:06:13.060 define the submissive i mean there's different definitions i mean the perhaps more milquetoast

04:06:17.860 definition would be willful cooperation and letting the men lead yes there's this quote that

04:06:22.660 uh i've always heard where my mom used to say to me uh men are the head women are the neck yeah men 0.99

04:06:27.540 can think they're in control but the guy with the head the woman can be like over there over there over 1.00

04:06:31.940 there the head can't do shit without the neck but you let them feel like they're in charge sure but you're 0.97

04:06:35.860 the neck yeah no um i'm in charge where's your neck brian's in charge guys okay say say it's that 0.98

04:06:45.860 way right but let's say it's not so black and white how about this deferring to his leadership

04:06:52.340 okay sure it's like attractive that would be submissive okay sure sure okay okay sure i would

04:06:58.100 you i'm just curious you want a guy you want a guy to like do courtship if he said okay sure i'll do

04:07:04.500 courtship okay whatever i guess yeah like okay bro y'all y'all like y'all like men have to do

04:07:12.180 courtship oh the men have to really and would you like be like the guy's like oh i guess i'll do

04:07:20.180 i guess i'll do courtship no i feel like the man should be enthusiastic about his rules you got to be

04:07:25.300 enthusiastic if a man created a safe enough if a man created a safe enough space for a woman to be 1.00

04:07:30.500 submissive then so be it true i agree women are not submissive in uncomfortable unsafe situations

04:07:36.260 so it's just conditional okay no why if a man is creating an unsafe environment why would the woman

04:07:42.420 be submissive okay exactly i got this so hold on i in the current dating landscape i as a guy

04:07:49.140 acknowledge that there are women who will use me for dates who want to do a foodie call they've actually

04:07:54.500 done studies on this something like i i don't know if it's one in three or two and three women 1.00

04:07:58.820 have have agreed like you don't actually like you've done a foodie call where you were maybe

04:08:05.620 just bored and you're like i guess i'll go on the date but i'm really not that interested but if he's 0.72

04:08:09.460 like really impressive cool you'll go on the date just for like the fuck of it right um so wouldn't 0.94

04:08:15.700 that be if the guy's like oh okay i'm only gonna go 50 50 with girls because like a lot of women 1.00

04:08:20.500 move this way they're just trying to like get a free experience free meal whatever i'm gonna wait

04:08:26.580 to pay for first date how about this if a man goes 50 50 with me that's not like why would i be like

04:08:32.420 completely submissive to a man that goes 50 50 obviously he can't like handle handle it you know 0.99

04:08:36.900 what i mean that's like that stuff yeah like i'm not gonna be submissive to a guy that goes 50 50 like

04:08:42.660 that's an unsafe environment for me theoretically well then the guy should not pay for a first date with

04:08:47.300 the woman who is not submissive you're saying if i feel safe to be submissive if i feel safe to be

04:08:54.500 a provider given the current dating landscape i can agree with that i can agree with that oh but

04:08:58.740 you won't even give me you won't even give the 50 50 guy a chance so why should the traditional guy

04:09:03.700 give you a chance and he's got to wait around for you to be safe and feel comfortable to be submissive

04:09:09.620 because that's like his one job like whatever if we're gonna talk your one jobs to be submissive

04:09:13.540 okay sure sure no but you're oh sure sure i'll be so no only if you need to be like yeah but

04:09:20.100 there's two different types of like like let's talk about like the domination whatever there's

04:09:23.620 two different types i'm not talking about bdsm that's not what i'm talking about either that's

04:09:26.900 that that's the counter word to the word you're saying why is it a problem when i say domination

04:09:29.860 when you say submissive we're talking about in like a social aspect but you are sexual you hold on

04:09:35.540 you're saying you're saying what's the other what's the inverse word to submissive why is it bad when i

04:09:40.260 say dominance sorry no it would be it would essentially but that's that's like a minor

04:09:43.860 detail what i'm trying to say is why yeah sure i guess if you're in okay like let's say you're in

04:09:49.700 a safe enough like a relationship where like you feel taken care of and you feel smart and you feel

04:09:53.940 like okay if you give your submissiveness is he going to throw that in your face and make you feel

04:09:57.700 bad about yourself or unsafe no he's strong enough to where you don't feel bad about yourself you can

04:10:02.660 fail and succeed in front of him and he won't judge you and maybe like etc etc etc but i don't want to

04:10:07.780 sit here and be like a woman or submissive to men in the house and i you know i don't want to sound 0.82

04:10:11.780 stupid but like to a certain extent like yeah taking his last name is hot okay sure it is but 0.97

04:10:16.260 like submission with submission with the con with condition is not submission it's condition well okay 1.00

04:10:21.620 so i've asked you before how would you define a woman being submissive you do what you're told that's

04:10:25.460 submissive even if you even if you don't feel comfortable with it at all would you ask your wife

04:10:31.140 to kill someone for reason so like if a guy were to say oh i don't know like oh jump off that bridge

04:10:37.380 right that would not comport with reason but as long as what he's saying comports with reason

04:10:42.100 then yeah if you're in if you're in a relationship with a man who would be my world view at least

04:10:48.100 that yeah submission means you do what you're told what is can you give like an example of like doing

04:10:52.580 what you're told whatever i tell you to do you do it okay i mean i guess that's what it means

04:10:57.860 i i guess maybe maybe i'm wrong here but isn't like a marriage i don't know here isn't it more

04:11:03.780 like a i was speaking sir right do you see the cup in front of you right now to the gallon red the

04:11:10.660 gallon red shirt to answer your question what does that mean you see the cup in front of you yeah okay

04:11:15.540 pick it up real quick you don't make me feel safe i'm not you're not my man that's a perfect example

04:11:21.380 i'm just going to give you a demonstration of what i'm talking about it has it's not a gotcha

04:11:25.860 literally it's not obviously i was going to make a half full of that never mind i was going to make

04:11:30.820 an analogy but i guess you want to be a smart aleck about it uh i guess you can okay you want me to

04:11:36.980 pick up the cup what is that what does this do yeah like that that's how you submit like that 0.99

04:11:42.660 that's such a stupid analogy i can't even like isn't a marriage more like you're 0.95

04:11:49.540 both a team right i guess i guess in some ways there are and i guess in some ways i guess i think 0.99

04:11:58.420 somebody's compensating i guess in some ways there is submissiveness and i guess it depends on each

04:12:02.900 person yeah well it's i mean it's true and that's that's that's andrew andrew let her finish

04:12:10.260 andrew just let her finish go ahead and i don't want to sound stupid here i think i think from

04:12:15.140 everyone gets a different impression of what marriage is or what they think it's going to be

04:12:19.380 from how they're raised and their environment a lot of the times but okay say i am submissive that's

04:12:26.660 that's fine with me if there's and if if it's within reason right like you said like what he's asking you

04:12:32.500 to do i do think it's nice when to when a male takes the lead in in a marriage or relationship

04:12:39.620 but not just a marriage in a relationship you the second you meet a man you want him to lead

04:12:48.180 yes yes yeah meet me here at this time i'm gonna pick you up that's true we're going here we're doing

04:12:54.420 this this is what we're eating yeah yes you want it's not just oh in marriage you want him to be a

04:13:00.900 leader well i didn't really i'm sorry i didn't think of it that way you guys meet okay well then i i guess

04:13:07.060 so what's your so then i want submission immediately submissive okay okay well then if there's

04:13:14.340 if it works it works if if you know if we're both attracted to each other and you know i guess

04:13:19.940 all the submissive and they'll be dominant that's fine and the way that they'll they'll pick the time 1.00

04:13:24.420 i'll be there i'll be in a whatever y'all are modern women just claim you're modern women what's the

04:13:31.700 definition you think i'm a modern woman i don't think anyone denied that they're a modern woman

04:13:38.180 you're right y'all are modern women y'all are modern women but you still like to receive the

04:13:44.820 benefits of male traditional gender roles i also like to do traditional roles as well yeah yeah like

04:13:51.140 i think like what i don't think it's black and white i mean do you think we're not deserving at

04:13:55.380 all of any of that no offense no offense taken but i do only fans you're not traditional like

04:14:00.740 yeah you're a point sure in that aspect i'm not in that aspect i'm not traditional and other aspects i

04:14:05.940 am and like okay what's your argument i mean it's kind of like it would be like me saying as a guy 0.99

04:14:13.620 oh yeah like i'm traditional like i open your car door but like you're gonna pay for fucking 0.99

04:14:18.180 everything on the date does that make me traditional no oh if there's like a safety 0.88

04:14:24.420 situation or like there's a fight that breaks out uh you're gonna defend me and i'm gonna like oh

04:14:31.300 there's a spider against a girl yeah the girl's gonna defend you because you can't touch her if 1.00

04:14:35.620 there's a spider you gotta kill that shit i have traditional ways and i have non-traditional ways and 0.99

04:14:41.780 i i think i that's what i just said is no black and white i think it to some degree is it is a 0.99

04:14:46.500 spectrum like some people could not be fully like a hundred percent traditional there could be like a

04:14:52.180 spectrum to it but i think like when it comes to y'all you guys even like you could be super woke

04:14:58.500 progressive like super liberal super feminist not traditional at all but you still acknowledge

04:15:06.100 that traditional treatment from men is way better than like modern treatment from men and so 1.00

04:15:15.140 despite you all being modern non-traditional women you've taught look you've totally forsaken 0.94

04:15:21.540 abandoned cast aside your traditional gender roles but with the utmost entitlement you still expect men 0.55

04:15:28.580 to adhere to their traditional gender roles i see where you're coming from with that and um okay so

04:15:35.380 say say okay uh we're not virgins we're not traditional we're we're more modern i guess and

04:15:44.740 what we're expecting and what we desire right so that means that are we just maybe or do how do both

04:15:53.220 people how does how should the woman then change if she's not traditional but if she wants something 0.96

04:15:59.060 traditional how should the woman change and what should she do and also um how is the man still going

04:16:08.260 to like accept her and is is she just kind of used goods is if she's not a virgin anymore is there still

04:16:15.140 hope that she can like i can answer the question it's a good question okay let me let me steel man

04:16:20.180 at first to make sure i got it correct and then if i got it correct um i'll go ahead and answer it so

04:16:26.100 your question is well i don't understand though if we've broken all the virtue and this and that

04:16:31.860 but we we want to go back right we want to in some way do this differently this time what are the

04:16:37.540 things that we can do to do that is that is that essentially what the question is or are these women 1.00

04:16:43.140 just broken and busted and no longer worthy of anything is that what you're asking of course i

04:16:48.660 should do my part as he should do his part so how should i do my part then yeah well one thing that

04:16:54.100 goes a long way for men is submission okay so the idea of traditionalism right or the idea of 0.88

04:17:01.060 if if you generally you want a man of high virtue he's going to expect submission that's going to be

04:17:07.060 at least one thing he's going to expect however if you want a low virtue man they often don't give a 0.96

04:17:11.220 shit so it's it's kind of up to you but oh yeah no no so submission okay i understand and all of that 0.97

04:17:16.900 but there is a clear thing of no one's better than the other right there's we're both loyal to each 0.99

04:17:22.980 other we both love each other and we both are i guess in a way a team so that we can create a

04:17:26.980 healthy living environment for our children that's the opposite of submission so yeah the idea so the

04:17:32.340 idea of virtues between men and women are very different the idea for masculine virtues for

04:17:37.540 instance are going to be things like bravery they're going to be things like um what could be

04:17:42.980 perceived as as uh what she was talking about with chivalry where you're the protector you're the

04:17:47.860 the guider there's all sorts of different virtues that you can associate with masculinity

04:17:51.940 feminine virtues are things like chastity right uh gracefulness empathy these are these are various

04:17:58.740 forms right but not leadership that's not a that's not a feminine virtue it's a masculine virtue it's a

04:18:05.140 it's a male male male sided virtue so the thing is is that of course virtuous men expect that from women 0.93

04:18:11.140 they expect them to fall into their feminine roles as virtuous women i feel otherwise they just simply 1.00

04:18:16.980 don't think that you have virtue they consider you vexing or willful or things like this go ahead so

04:18:21.780 are you kind of saying that men like are you really talking through and through traditional in

04:18:26.180 a sense of a household where men go to work and the woman stays at home is that what you're referring 0.95

04:18:29.620 to well women have always worked well i'm talking about a traditional traditional household like 1.00

04:18:34.980 you're referring to a submission like is that what you're referring to asking trying to answer the

04:18:38.820 question because i feel like my question is i feel like now like you say men want submission but i

04:18:43.220 also feel like to a certain extent they really don't like they'll make fun of you if you don't have a

04:18:46.500 job they'll make fun of you if you're not like contributing so it's like they want everything

04:18:50.180 they want you to make money but like less money than them you think that a contribution or minor

04:18:55.460 contributions to the household or working towards some shared interest or goal or something like

04:19:00.740 this has anything to do with virtue because it doesn't the idea that okay you're in a two-income

04:19:06.660 economy or something like that sort of requires two incomes doesn't have any bearing whatsoever

04:19:12.580 on the nature of your virtuousness none not for men and not for women so yeah there could be

04:19:18.980 an expectation that women at times contribute to the household or perhaps the entire time they

04:19:23.540 contribute to the household there's no other way around it so what how does that affect a man's

04:19:29.220 virtue or a woman's i don't i don't i don't even understand that well you're talking about submission

04:19:34.260 yeah submission yeah so give me okay so she's submitting to a man yet she makes significantly more 1.00

04:19:39.380 money than him i'm not saying that's a bad thing it's not transactional virtue can't be bought you

04:19:43.860 can't be like oh well the thing is i make just as much money as you so i don't have to be

04:19:48.100 fucking virtuous that makes no sense i have a i have a question so what constitutes as a leader 0.85

04:19:55.540 because you are you saying that women can't be leaders well yeah they can they can be leaders to 1.00

04:20:00.740 some some extent some regard sure but they're never going to lead societies ever why do you feel that way

04:20:06.020 uh because it's force doctrine so essentially it just operates this way um when it comes to power

04:20:14.180 dynamics men are always going to have a advantage over force and since they have an advantage over

04:20:20.900 force women will always have to appeal to men for protection and rights and men will never have to 0.97

04:20:27.460 appeal to women for that so if let's say let's say this women are typically better at multitasking and men 1.00

04:20:34.260 are typically stronger i just want to make that's true that's true i i want to i'll just grant it i

04:20:40.900 could be wrong i just want to i want to hear your take on this because i i honestly think you're a very

04:20:45.540 good debater and i i want to just to tickle your brain on this um so i would say women are a pretty 1.00

04:20:52.900 pretty good at multitasking they can handle a lot of things at once and i'd say men men can definitely

04:20:58.260 have more force and more strength over over women but i feel like wouldn't it be better to

04:21:04.100 run the world off of a computer than a hammer uh well who who's going to make the computer and

04:21:09.620 who's going to make the hammer i mean just i feel like they have to kind of go they have to kind of

04:21:15.540 go together if you're only the hammer you're going to be a caveman if you're only computer you're not

04:21:19.620 going to have i don't know well who's going to make the computer though and who's going to maintain

04:21:24.900 the computer systems and who's going to write all the software for them well by the way then there's

04:21:30.020 the thing that we need each other let's assume for a second it's all women who do that and men 1.00

04:21:34.600 just decide one day ah fuck them we're going to go take their computers what can women do about 1.00

04:21:39.080 that i mean women build computers too but what i'm saying what i'm saying is society goes better 1.00

04:21:45.940 your argument i'm saying let's just assume women built all the computers all of them every one of 1.00

04:21:53.740 them in existence and men one day collectively went ah fuck we i want all their computers we 0.99

04:21:59.460 want all their computers and they just went well took them what could women do about that but i'm 0.99

04:22:04.340 not saying that i'm not saying computer as an object i'm saying women are smart and they're 1.00

04:22:09.580 great at multitasking they are the computer of society and then you have men they are the hammer

04:22:13.900 they are the boot they are the enforcer of society you can't you can't just put one of them in the

04:22:19.040 corner there's you can get so much more are you talking about iq no not just i understand what

04:22:24.660 she's saying what she's saying here is if women are better multitaskers right they can do 1.00

04:22:29.440 various tasks in a more efficient way and so they act women act in societies like a central task 0.99

04:22:36.300 allocating computation machine then shouldn't you give that task to women because they're better at 1.00

04:22:42.680 it right is that correct yeah for yeah for the betterment of society like because women can be 1.00

04:22:47.380 leaders i feel like a computer something that's multitasking something i could tell people what to

04:22:51.140 do what where to do it that they can still be a leader and we haven't tried i'm granting your

04:22:59.540 argument i just gave it back to you so i'll just respond to it that's literally what women do right 1.00

04:23:03.760 now they're in the charges and jobs that they have are designed specifically around this they're school 0.96

04:23:09.200 teachers they're in the service industry they do all this type of shit but whether or not you're a 0.92

04:23:14.840 great task manager whatever that means or you're you know in some way great at logistics or something 0.98

04:23:20.500 like this uh who cares you're not going to go up on the top of the mountains in order to fix power

04:23:26.000 lines you're not going to be doing uh oil rig work you're not going to be doing any of the type of

04:23:32.020 work which keeps society running and you don't have the force necessary the requisite compositional

04:23:36.860 force necessary to make men do what you want through anything other than subtle manipulation

04:23:42.340 so if men ever decide at any time to exercise force doctrine women can't do anything about it 0.98

04:23:49.220 now if you want examples of that i give you every muslim nation on planet earth right now

04:23:53.560 no i understand that but i would also tell you that the majority of countries that are led by women

04:23:58.560 are the happiest in the world the nordic nations yeah that's not true so this metric comes from the

04:24:05.400 united nations right and the u.n the u.n polls on the uh the metrics for happiness are actually

04:24:11.720 quite silly and i could actually if you ever wanted to i could go go through them with you so that you 0.51

04:24:16.300 understood this but you can go through them line item by line item and they're quite silly if you 0.90

04:24:20.980 look at depression rates in nordic nations it actually makes sense why so many people there are

04:24:24.560 depressed because it's always snowy and cold and dark and drab uh so they go off of other metrics like

04:24:30.760 oh they make more money per capita they do this per capita but not actually off of mental illness

04:24:36.360 depression rates things like this they go off of completely different metrics than you or i would use to

04:24:40.600 determine happiness yeah but i also say that they're you know their countries go ahead brian i

04:24:46.060 apologize i gotta get bring it back here otherwise we're gonna be here till 2 a.m so i understand go

04:24:52.280 ahead um i guess to kind of put a cap on the whole submission conversation um i'm just a little bit

04:24:59.180 confused especially with you because you have like significant uh and detailed criticisms about men's

04:25:04.780 conduct when it comes to uh courtship like you're like oh we need to move back towards men courting

04:25:12.480 women in your pre-show notes and everything that you've said tonight you said men wanting to receive

04:25:18.560 men not needing to put in the work what is this work that you purported is that men need to put in

04:25:23.420 you said uh they like picking a girl up paying on the first date uh not putting in effort uh leading

04:25:31.340 this sort of thing i'm just i'm confused here on one hand you're holding men to the this pretty rigid

04:25:37.400 traditional gender role uh on the one hand you want to completely forgive uh i guess any sort of

04:25:44.680 expectations or relinquish any sort of expectations that ought to be placed on women when it comes to 0.83

04:25:49.900 them being uh traditional uh another way of saying this would be submissive submissive has like a lot of

04:25:56.280 really bad connotations in my opinion maybe like because you listen to a bunch of feminist propaganda 1.00

04:26:01.160 but what are the bad connotations what are the bad connotations but i'm not i mean obviously i feel 0.73

04:26:12.020 stupid just sitting here and being like yeah i'll be submissive to my like like that makes me feel 0.90

04:26:15.780 like that sounds stupid i mean wait so what sounds stupid you saying oh yeah i'd be submissive to my 1.00

04:26:21.040 boyfriend husband i mean i feel like i would to a certain extent to a certain extent yeah okay i 0.99

04:26:27.180 guess like okay yeah i like but i feel like that sounds silly to say like that sounds like bad do

04:26:31.940 you think it'd be bad for me to say i want to be uh i want to be a leader and protect my be a protector

04:26:37.300 and a provider because if the sort of like corresponding gender roles here man protect and provide

04:26:43.160 woman be uh submissive why is it weird for the woman to just say that she's submissive 0.77

04:26:50.620 like why is that i feel like it sounds weird i mean i would be but i just feel like it sounds

04:26:54.680 fucking weird you think you think men don't want submissive women they want like contentious and 0.97

04:26:59.820 like quarrelsome women you think that's what men want i mean some guys do i guess the guys that i 0.99

04:27:04.360 okay the guy can i can i the guy that i would marry would probably i would probably be like more 0.90

04:27:09.740 submissive yeah because he'd probably be like the opposite side of that and that's probably who i'd

04:27:13.720 you're currently in a relationship right now with a good guy yeah would you be submissive to him

04:27:17.460 yeah are you submissive to him yeah what's the definition of submissive i don't know why that's

04:27:22.400 crazy what just sounds crazy he's your man you should be submissive yeah so yeah but i didn't

04:27:29.160 know what's the definition of submissive i should have looked that up but i actually don't know the

04:27:33.640 exact definition i mean there's i kind of my interpretation would be like uh deferring to

04:27:39.360 his authority or leadership okay so it's like well we're not children i think that like to a certain

04:27:45.880 extent yes like yes man leads we follow sure but like but i think to a certain extent yet like to

04:27:52.880 just fully submit to somebody is is a little bit crazy we are both adults we are equal

04:27:58.420 oh oh i feel like that leaves room for them to hold it over your head that's like the scary part if

04:28:03.540 we're both equal then we should equally contribute to on a first date then right sure okay so you're

04:28:08.900 totally fine with yes splitting the bill yep okay even like these women here they should also split the bill 1.00

04:28:14.480 yeah because they're equal right yeah yeah okay so why why are why aren't you having criticisms for

04:28:20.440 these women who guys split the bill but i guess um on this it's just um i guess kind of my conflict 0.78

04:28:31.460 here is you kind of want your cake and to eat it too like on one hand you want to push your liberal

04:28:39.360 feminist progressive equality values you mentioned equality uh or equal as far as humanly possible 1.00

04:28:45.700 sex work is fine men are insecure for not wanting to date a woman who has i'm not just let me make my 0.59

04:28:51.500 argument uh a man's insecure for not wanting to date a woman who has other men blasting inside of them

04:28:57.480 no modesty when it comes to their appearance no modesty in their conduct um you want to sleep

04:29:02.320 sleep with a bunch of men and be promiscuous uh you want to be like quarrelsome in relationships

04:29:07.880 and like argumentative and like uh combative you don't want to like you don't want to be submissive 0.62

04:29:14.820 on the other hand when it comes to your sexist and gendered expectations of men you what you may as

04:29:19.440 well be 1950s bachelorettes you want men to be chivalrous providers protectors leaders take all the

04:29:26.040 initiative pay for dates open car doors get you flowers get down on one knee propose to you etc etc etc i just

04:29:34.500 it's interesting you want to pick and choose when it comes to tradition you want to pick and choose

04:29:40.200 all you get to keep all the traditional benefit things that benefit you without upholding any of

04:29:46.580 the traditional benefits that could conceivably come at your detriment we could say the same thing

04:29:51.360 you want a virgin yet you're begging to sleep with us on the first date so 1.00

04:29:56.440 like i mean i think it's i think it's very like person to person i don't care about this argument

04:30:05.940 because like i know my like it's just i don't align with this and that's cool but like i'm just saying

04:30:11.180 like yes you want a virgin yet you are begging to sleep with us with us on the first date so i'll just 0.72

04:30:16.480 actually address that really quick what do you think is more common men refusing to date women

04:30:20.360 because they're not virgins or women refusing to date men because they won't pay for the bill 0.98

04:30:24.080 um what's more common i'm i have no idea the statistics on that i don't care i don't literally 0.98

04:30:30.560 give a shit to be honest yeah so i know i don't give a shit about i don't not i think about the 0.94

04:30:34.540 whole thing i don't give a shit if they pay on the first date or not yeah but you've heard from like 0.99

04:30:38.160 four women yes and no and so i'm saying that might be it might be more common for that yeah so i would 0.98

04:30:43.840 argue that there's far fewer men whose standard is she has to be a virgin i would argue probably 50

04:30:50.920 percent or more of women expectation because you have to consider like conservative women their

04:30:57.100 expectations and their i don't know what the exact breakdown of like conservative women to liberal 1.00

04:31:01.340 women maybe it's 45 55 in any case there's even liberal women maybe some of you here are liberal 0.97

04:31:05.840 women still want the guy to pay for the first date so it's like a majority of women want men to pay 1.00

04:31:11.680 for the first date i'd say it's probably like less than five percent of men like deal breaker she's not a virgin

04:31:16.580 is this because you guys have both said that a woman's like value goes down if she doesn't have

04:31:21.260 sex on the first date that's why my argument is because i wouldn't have an argument anyways because

04:31:24.520 i don't agree that most men want a virgin like i don't agree that i do agree that a lot of women

04:31:29.220 would like a guy to pay on the first date no i think most men realize it's unlikely that they're

04:31:33.600 going to be able to get a virgin but if it was like if you asked most men would you prefer to date a

04:31:38.540 virgin or a woman who slept with 20 men i'm pretty confident like 99 percent of men are going to say

04:31:43.580 i prefer to date the virgin well and even if you were just kind of granted and say okay maybe most

04:31:49.900 men wouldn't prefer to have a virgin um you would agree at least that most men would likely prefer to

04:31:55.240 have a woman who has less of a body count right yes yeah so what's the least amount of bodies you 1.00

04:32:05.280 can possibly have we have a word for that what do we call them virgins yes yes uh i'm

04:32:13.560 going to do a couple chats here john i'm going to have you read them go ahead thank you michael smith

04:32:16.900 to help if a woman expects a man to protect and is in attempt to protect he says go right and you go 0.93

04:32:26.020 left toward danger he can't protect without control he can't protect michael smith thank you so much for

04:32:33.760 the super chat man i appreciate it uh let's see we're going to do this one also from michael smith i'm

04:32:39.180 going to have you read this one hey brian look if a man is supposed to protect you while on a date

04:32:45.360 how does he do that if he says go right and you go left i think this is the same one in a group of

04:32:51.460 two if the woman leads the man can't protect it's like i don't know to me the my interpretation here

04:33:00.220 of like the demands for chivalry the demands of like certain courtship procedures when it comes to

04:33:04.640 dating you want men to be leaders but you don't want to follow well that's why i think the submissive 1.00

04:33:12.400 conversation where it's like that's why you should only give like the submissiveness to a guy that's

04:33:16.360 actually worthy of it because what if a guy leads you in the wrong direction that's why i'm saying like

04:33:20.440 period yeah so it comes down to women feel like they know more than men and if you find a man that

04:33:27.440 knows more than you do you're more willing to submit to them or they create a safe environment yeah

04:33:32.980 but it's just to me i don't know it's interesting what is this safe environment like what does that

04:33:38.580 mean what is a safe environment i don't know like if if somebody was if i was being submissive to

04:33:43.920 somebody and they're like shoot up heroin that would probably be like a bad thing but i understand

04:33:48.040 like within reason and logic too but i think women can you find the office video damien i'm sorry

04:33:52.680 yeah that i mean that wouldn't but also if i i would protect my man against a girl that was trying 1.00

04:33:58.060 to beat him up that would be my job i would tell him to go left and i'd be this girl's butt 1.00

04:34:02.580 like a baby i have it i'm gonna send it to you in the private chat here um yeah i'm gonna send it 1.00

04:34:10.540 to you here man uh we'll i think we'll wait till she's back for actually fuck it we'll just watch 0.97

04:34:16.420 it whatever she was kind of the one who was i was kind of having the convo with but um actually do we 0.85

04:34:22.640 wait here while we wait just a second here why don't you pull up twitch guys go to twitch.tv

04:34:27.440 slash whatever drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one guys twitch.tv slash whatever it's

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04:34:38.020 an hour ago man i think it's bugged though can you guys drop a little prime sub in the chat

04:34:41.240 i would have really appreciated also drop us a follow guys get us to uh 97,300 followers

04:34:47.340 before the end of the stream boys i would really appreciate that if you have amazon prime

04:34:51.520 you can link it to your twitch it's quick free easy way to support the show every single month

04:34:55.080 you can send the amazon prime benefits are great so just you know if you want to get it you buy a

04:34:59.640 lot of shit on amazon but don't have prime get the prime then you can link it to your twitch quick 0.64

04:35:03.300 free easy way to support the show every single month and then uh she's not quite yet back from 0.99

04:35:10.160 the table can i add something to the last part um so you're saying women want their cake and to eat 0.98

04:35:15.720 it too because they want a man to lead but then they don't want to like submit or whatever but i

04:35:20.340 could say the same about you guys because you want a submissive woman but you don't want to fully 0.97

04:35:24.640 dominate and protect and provide if you still want her to have a job and contribute financially to the

04:35:29.500 household if that's your job andrew did but into income economy that that has nothing to do with

04:35:35.760 any of this i think it does well it doesn't have anything to do with the virtues that's what that

04:35:40.440 was what my position was i don't even know if you're if you're saying that well if you're the

04:35:45.260 provider then why do i have to provide but if you're saying that submission should only happen if

04:35:50.080 the man makes more money than you do that's not what she was saying but she's just harping on like

04:35:54.000 what you were saying does she have a mouth pardon i'm assuming she can speak for herself since she 1.00

04:36:00.060 addressed me so i was just addressing her back so so yeah so yeah i mean just to to just very quickly

04:36:06.620 have the exchange um so i was talking about virtues and i i don't understand why whether or not you

04:36:15.140 make more money than him or he makes more money than you this would have anything to do with the

04:36:19.720 idea of the virtues i'm just saying if you're the provider and i'm submitting then why would i have

04:36:24.880 to provide too if you want to be completely traditional well it defeats the it defeats the

04:36:30.040 purpose it's transactional at that point it's literally a prostitute mentality because what you're 1.00

04:36:34.940 looking at then is purely transactional yes i'll submit and fuck you and whatever you want as long as 0.99

04:36:40.980 you're giving me money that is the opposite of virtue it's literally 180 degree inversion of what 0.99

04:36:48.220 virtue is it's it's a it's literal prostitution mentality uh and that's not that's not even 1.00

04:36:55.700 designed to affront you it's just designed to express the idea that virtue is not transactional

04:37:01.280 it doesn't go so you think it's prostitution for a man to pay for the first date that's transactional 1.00

04:37:06.120 but that's definitely not prostitution by almost everybody's standards no i didn't say it's 0.97

04:37:10.560 prostitution i said it's prostitute mentality where everything that's relationship based between men 0.67

04:37:16.660 and women from a woman's perspective becomes only transactional virtues are not to be compromised on 1.00

04:37:22.780 simply because of money or something like this so you don't go well i'll submit to a good man as long

04:37:29.740 as he's fulfilling this material desire that i have in this case he has more money than me but

04:37:35.660 that would that would be hang on that would be an inversion of virtue that would literally be

04:37:40.840 the opposite of virtue isn't men's entire purpose to like theoretically for thinking about hunter

04:37:45.520 gatherer kill the deer bring it home cook it and woman like maintain everything well then why don't 1.00

04:37:51.280 we just put all you i'm not saying pardon then why don't we just put all of you in cages like 0.86

04:37:56.240 honest question why wouldn't if it is the case that men's entire purpose is to just grunt real loud 0.81

04:38:01.940 and go out and kill deer and bring it home uh as we've become more sophisticated and we're still 1.00

04:38:07.900 the strong dominant sex why don't men just go ahead and round up all the women and stuff their asses in 1.00

04:38:13.100 cages and then just do whatever we want and that's why we're not submitting because you say shit like 1.00

04:38:17.540 that safe environment chill out before you freak out the reason they know they could 0.99

04:38:25.140 is because of the idea of virtue that's why but they have done that in like a lot of muslim countries

04:38:31.400 like women are basically they don't have women stuffed in cages in muslim countries not in cages 1.00

04:38:35.400 but being stuck in a home and you're not allowed to even speak outside i would say that's a literal 0.99

04:38:39.520 cage yeah they're allowed to speak outside that's ridiculous nonsense no no that's a real like no no 0.90

04:38:45.180 it's really it's ridiculous nonsense what happens instead is this is that women for their own safety 0.85

04:38:51.040 uh are not allowed to walk unaccompanied without a man now you it's really funny because women here 1.00

04:38:57.440 would be the first to say well it's not safe to walk around outside by myself because so many men

04:39:02.640 are barbaric fruits who will essay you and so the muslim nations are like oh yeah well then you can't 1.00

04:39:07.580 walk around at night without a man who's escorting you so that that doesn't happen and you don't get 0.98

04:39:12.520 deflowered and de-virtued and women go i can't believe that you would be so barbaric 1.00

04:39:17.560 as to as to not allow me to go out at night where it's totally unsafe and these mean old

04:39:23.960 barbaric men are gonna essay everybody i can't believe it's really that's more having my cake

04:39:29.460 and eating it too no but i i really feel like you should look it up maybe i maybe i'm wrong but i

04:39:34.640 know jennifer lawrence is doing an entire movie called bread and roses and it's about women in 1.00

04:39:38.840 i think iran or iraq all right sorry i'm sorry i got moved on just i don't know but look it up maybe

04:39:44.920 i'm wrong all right uh i do want to pull up two videos so first we're going to do the office

04:39:49.680 uh video uh go ahead and play that for us pay attention i got away with everything under the last

04:39:58.300 boss and it wasn't good for me at all so i want guidance i want leadership but don't just like boss

04:40:05.600 me around you know like lead me lead me when i'm in the mood to be led so this is like exactly the

04:40:16.900 the when it comes down to dating it's like you you're attracted to and you want a guy who like

04:40:22.360 will do kind of those more tradition traditional masculine things uh so you want a leader but you

04:40:29.500 don't want to be a follower because the feminism in you has like said oh okay like can't be a follower 1.00

04:40:33.940 can't be submissive but also like base evolutionary biological level really attracted and prefer men 0.99

04:40:39.680 who are like decisive masculine leaders etc etc dominant whatever it is attracted to it but also

04:40:46.400 in my head can't do it because feminism told me not to that's you guys i mean i feel like that's

04:40:54.020 you guys very educated now like i said like we've like what's that have to do with anything i feel

04:40:58.960 like when girls feel like they're smarter and they know better than the guy then they don't really 0.99

04:41:02.480 submit to them because they're like why agree that's just so you're are you actually never

04:41:08.900 mind no my my boyfriend is smarter than me and he has to remind me all the time hey listen and i go

04:41:14.680 you know what you're right and as andrew mentioned we aren't like in caveman time society has evolved

04:41:21.220 so we can keep the best parts of traditionalism and get rid of some of the really archaic outdated

04:41:26.100 parts you're right like paying for first dates i don't say anything about paying for no i know 0.98

04:41:30.220 that's super like archaic i make more money than my husband does i pay for a lot of shit yeah but 0.73

04:41:35.860 like you you heard four women here at the table who said they want man to pay 20 they're not speaking 0.98

04:41:39.820 for me i'm not speaking for them yeah i know we're talking in generalities i cook a lot of the meals

04:41:44.540 that would be considered a female like a traditional female that's like really sexist that you adhere to 1.00

04:41:49.100 this like traditional gender role of like cooking you think so i'm just saying no i don't think but

04:41:54.740 you're adhering you're adhering to a traditional gender that's why i'm saying you can adhere to 0.98

04:41:58.840 some of them but not all of them because society has evolved and we don't need to be like stuck in

04:42:04.080 the home in the 1950s so why the archaic parts of the here's so here's what you mean by archaic here

04:42:09.160 just so you know the the men have all the responsibility but none of the authority because

04:42:14.760 having the authority hang on because them having the authority is archaic and it's like that is the

04:42:21.020 feminist creed it's always been the thing how would the men having all of that authority unless women 1.00

04:42:27.020 determine that they should be qualified to lead them so my position on that is like yeah fuck that 1.00

04:42:32.120 that's stupid and men should absolutely do the opposite of that well if a woman is doing the 1.00

04:42:37.900 majority of the cooking that's quite a bit of responsibility and not necessarily in her favor so 1.00

04:42:42.500 that's oh yeah responsibility inside that nice warm house that has all that heat in it that has

04:42:49.580 uh every modern luxury possible invented by men you go over to the gas stove that's imported by men 0.99

04:42:55.940 hang on and you it's built by men all of the modern infrastructure which your car drives on to go get

04:43:02.280 those groceries at the modern convenience store with the freezer system which is all built by men 1.00

04:43:06.140 all of it was invented by men and then you get back in that nice luxury automobile and you go back 0.79

04:43:10.580 home on those roads built by men and then you get home and you're protected 24 hours a day by military

04:43:16.360 which is completely and totally inundated with men in a police force that guards you 24 7 to the

04:43:21.380 point where they're literally one phone call away and have a rapid response time usually oh i don't

04:43:26.920 know five to seven minutes yes i can totally tell well that it's very archaic that men be put in

04:43:32.160 charge of it that is because that is because women women are still catching up for the longest time 1.00

04:43:38.680 we're still catching up what no listen no men are just better than us listen a lot of a lot of the

04:43:47.040 time in like scientific communities back in the day like take the girl uh marie uh marie curry 0.98

04:43:52.200 she she discovered radiation and then a guy took it off her desk and put his fucking name on it 0.94

04:43:57.120 so it's like women are female inventions women are wi-fi was invented by a woman like 1.00

04:44:02.280 think of yeah think of all the inventions we would have if we brought women to the table 1.00

04:44:06.600 i mean look at look at a house look at a house built by a woman and look at a house built by a man

04:44:14.740 it is way more functional they don't put the what laundry room downstairs build houses they women 1.00

04:44:20.320 talking about architects architects oh the designers the designers they don't build they don't literally

04:44:24.960 build no i'm saying like if you look at women architects and male architects usually the 0.80

04:44:30.060 households are better architects don't build houses no i'm what are you talking about i'm saying i

04:44:35.360 know what you're saying i apologize so female architects are better than male architects i would

04:44:39.320 say they're more efficient do you know why that is you're right you're actually right the reason

04:44:42.960 that women build more or design more functional houses than men do from architecture standpoints is 0.91

04:44:48.840 because when men do the architecture for a home they encompass the family unit and the woman's

04:44:54.620 needs that's why so what men do when they look at a home is they take into account the entire

04:45:01.460 idea of the family structure for convenience and then they incorporate that and women don't 1.00

04:45:07.580 no women do because if you actually what's more functional about a house designed by a woman 1.00

04:45:14.900 okay so for example like the placement of where the laundry should be the placement of where the

04:45:19.960 children's bedrooms are if you like uh cabinets pantry space like if you look it up is this a

04:45:25.340 study or are you just no i swear i looked it up i was super interested by it what's the study

04:45:29.440 what's i mean is i mean come on i don't have a computer in the top of my head and i can't

04:45:32.720 remember exactly but you guys all have computers out there just research it just look up female 0.99

04:45:37.740 design houses versus men design houses incapable here we go there is no compelling evidence

04:45:42.880 whatsoever in any scientific literature that women architecturally designed better homes than men

04:45:49.220 or men than women i'm saying look at their equal here that's what you just said i do got the move

04:45:55.220 no no i didn't say they're equal what i said was that there's no scientific evidence to give to the 0.90

04:46:01.060 contrary now me i personally would say that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard of course men build all 0.55

04:46:07.140 the houses they build all the infrastructure they build everything but i mean if you just want to say 0.97

04:46:11.260 well you know female architects they put the laundry room in the uh the better place i'll just 1.00

04:46:16.680 go ahead and grant it really has nothing to do with i'm saying efficiency like women think differently 1.00

04:46:20.900 than men and that's not a bad thing like we could use that to make to see things from a different

04:46:25.220 point of view when you see things from a different point of view you get scientific breakthroughs like

04:46:29.080 DEI so like just so you're talking about like DEI right so like when it comes to like

04:46:33.700 astrophysics you think um or how about like chemical engineering you think like if it's a black person in 0.99

04:46:39.420 there like because of their life experience because they're black they're going to be able to like 0.96

04:46:43.320 bring something new to like mathematics or physics or something i'm saying if you beat somebody down

04:46:48.020 you're never going to know yeah you didn't really answer my question but women have never been beaten 1.00

04:46:51.980 down all the women so like when you say women needed to catch up all of these original feminists 1.00

04:46:57.980 who made all this original feminist literature were flying all over the world they were highly educated

04:47:02.740 since we've been keeping tabs in the 1700s for public education women have always done better when it 1.00

04:47:08.920 came to um diplomas and getting degrees they've never been completely uh removed from education

04:47:15.180 it was only a few ivy league schools where that was the case most men also were not allowed to be

04:47:19.920 college educated because they couldn't meet the very minimal threshold for getting into those schools

04:47:24.520 and so what's happened now is we've just simply lowered the standards so significantly that now a college

04:47:30.980 degree is the equivalent of an eighth grade education ask me how i know because i argue with people who have

04:47:36.100 doctorates phds right uh master's degrees in every sort of field you can imagine and absolutely destroy 1.00

04:47:43.520 them uh and it's because they're so fucking stupid that what what it what literally what's happened is 0.99

04:47:50.280 you took the standard this high standard the threshold barrier for entry and lowered it so 1.00

04:47:55.100 significantly that anybody could do it college was about rewarding the best and the brightest not

04:47:59.840 everybody could go in fact almost almost nobody could go and so this this idea that women just were 1.00

04:48:06.900 historically oppressed and they just haven't caught up there's no barrier to entry for any job for women 1.00

04:48:12.560 and there hasn't been for about 40 years and they're still doing the same shit that they were doing 0.98

04:48:17.800 in seven in the year 1700 the same shit service industry uh basic educational work secretary clerical work 0.99

04:48:25.540 sex work same fucking shit they've always been doing so you tell me when when is it that you 1.00

04:48:32.700 think women are going to dive into the construction field and and get on the oil rigs and start building 1.00

04:48:38.840 fucking society and infrastructure when do you think that's going to be how many years do you think 0.98

04:48:42.920 it's going to take before women decide that they're going to do those jobs because they've been so 1.00

04:48:47.500 historically oppressed i mean i know women who roof houses and are welders you don't know any fucking 0.99

04:48:52.920 welding i do so full of shit i swear you know what tell me the woman's name who do you know who 0.99

04:48:58.540 does welding what's her name roofing we fucked her once what was her name yeah you don't know her 1.00

04:49:03.660 i really i swear so you don't you don't know their name look i've never i i've been very honest on 0.98

04:49:09.400 this podcast and i'm telling you this is i do know a roofer woman here i'm gonna have you pull up an 1.00

04:49:14.140 info there's absolutely more men in the field yeah but there are women in it too women are 1.00

04:49:19.020 going to totally get into construction i'm i'm saying that we're still catching up one sec i'm

04:49:25.340 gonna why why are we harping on women doing construction we should be talking about things 1.00

04:49:28.800 like banking finance like obviously men are stronger than women we all know this so yeah it 0.91

04:49:32.660 makes a little bit more sense for them to go into the construction field okay but if you want to

04:49:36.020 talk about smarts i don't think necessarily like why aren't we discussing things like banking and

04:49:40.300 like open the new tab let's discuss it well hold on before we do that just while we're here on this

04:49:45.240 oh sorry go ahead bro did you open it in the new tab i don't want the drop box window

04:49:50.320 okay go ahead pull it up all right so it's just look me and andrew here when we're saying like women 0.98

04:49:58.120 don't do this women don't do that we're talking in general here right yeah are there like some women 1.00

04:50:03.920 outliers who participate in some of these jobs go ahead pull it up

04:50:06.540 all right top 20 most dangerous u.s occupations and the percentage male logging workers 94.9 percent

04:50:21.380 fishing workers 99.9 percent aircraft pilots 94.8 percent roofers 98.3 percent and then you know we

04:50:30.180 could read the other ones but essentially why are we equating strength to smarts though if we're

04:50:34.980 discussing women having a leadership role in society she brought up she did she did it literally 0.90

04:50:40.000 says roofers on the chart i'm sorry i made a generalization but i'm saying that typically women 0.99

04:50:45.940 are put more into a box because of our strength but if we can equal that if we don't need if we can

04:50:53.420 have more machines i mean hell teslas are basically built by machines all the time like you guys are

04:50:57.360 going to be out of a job soon too anyway and their argument is built by a man so just but things aren't

04:51:02.400 going to be like we evolve and we grow and women are still evolving and women are still growing 0.57

04:51:07.460 and i feel like that's a good thing okay cool um let's play the bow video final thing on the hang

04:51:13.640 on i if you don't mind it's very quickly brian okay i just wanted to point out uh female jobs most 1.00

04:51:20.020 female jobs by occupation preschool kindergarten teacher medical record specialist child care workers 1.00

04:51:25.360 speech uh language pathologist dental hygienist skin care specialist dental assistants medical secretaries

04:51:31.320 secretaries executive secretaries dietician secretaries the list goes on and on if you compare

04:51:38.560 this directly to the same occupations that they had 200 years ago minus only two based on technology

04:51:44.920 it's the same occupations well okay but that's the same with men that's the same thing didn't exist 200

04:51:51.320 years ago you also see this in the nordic nations they became more egalitarian jordan peterson's brought

04:51:56.460 this argument up many times as nordic nations became more egalitarian people moved more towards

04:52:01.480 their gender applicable roles and so every single time we see this whether it's in an egalitarian

04:52:06.820 non-egalitarian society they're always moving towards the same exact roles i do these ones okay yeah but

04:52:14.040 men have been building houses and doing like heavy stuff for like ever i do have to move things on

04:52:18.140 otherwise if you guys want to get out of here in a reasonable hour we can't keep derailing off of

04:52:22.160 go ahead pull it up

04:52:23.160 good this is my ex-girlfriend by the way huge bow boom uh so this was after a long i took this videos

04:52:32.220 after a long day at the podcast studio my expectation is like she has to hit a bow like when i come home

04:52:37.740 when she greets me she's got my dinner ready it was a long stressful podcast day scampering she's got

04:52:43.380 a scamper be quick you know uh opens the beer for me that's very nice of her i had to scold her about 1.00

04:52:49.360 the tomato bowl there i that's gross that she just tomatoes just not prepared uh play it again 1.00

04:52:58.000 and then just the bow boom huge bow you see that look at the bow look at the depth

04:53:04.680 or i mean i had to get her on uh with the program because at first it was like like only a 10 percent

04:53:12.060 um bow but then finally we got her to about like 40 you're really gonna love when the tesla robots

04:53:17.680 come out are you gonna put one of those heads on the top of one haha that was a that was a good one 0.89

04:53:22.720 good job good joke um uh well i mean it is interesting like the sex robot conversation like 0.89

04:53:29.040 that's gonna that'll be interesting but uh and they'll build your houses for you too yeah that

04:53:34.720 sounds like a good idea so um i guess going around the table would you bow for your men starting with

04:53:39.460 you go ahead i bow for my man every day into the mic into the mic go ahead sorry i bow for my man

04:53:44.800 every day what about you yes cool what about you yes okay would you bow for your guy yeah

04:53:49.980 oh okay all right i wasn't expecting that would you would you bow for your man maybe that sounds

04:53:56.340 like a no but okay as maybe a joke but not in all seriousness i'd probably take that alien probe 1.00

04:54:02.460 in my ass before i do it seriously you'd take a alien probe in your ass okay all right no wouldn't 0.99

04:54:10.240 bow no wouldn't bow okay and you're maybe changing it to no changing it to no yeah you're changing it 1.00

04:54:17.800 to no after you heard some of the other women say no i had a second to think about it yeah why

04:54:21.720 um why won't you bow for your men is he gonna bow for me as well oh then no well hold on so like

04:54:28.480 going back to the whole like who should pay on the first day thing what if you were like oh men

04:54:32.500 should pay well are you gonna pay for him um sometimes i'm saying on the first day if a man

04:54:37.020 ask me out if a man is asking me to go out with him i do expect you to pay if i asked a man yeah

04:54:42.320 have you ever asked have you asked a guy out ever no oh okay that's i could oh maybe i will yeah but

04:54:48.100 like it's it totally this whole like whoever asks should pay men at like it kind of ignores the fact

04:54:56.020 that you guys don't ask men out on dates so yeah i get it some women do yeah some women do but like

04:55:04.860 if the reality is you're saying most yeah yeah most women aren't asking men out on dates even if a 0.97

04:55:11.300 woman has one time out like if even oh i ask men out it's like okay have you asked out more men than

04:55:17.760 have asked you out they'll still say oh no men like overwhelmingly are the ones asking me for first

04:55:22.200 dates so like it kind of conveniently ignores the fact that like it's kind of a very convenient

04:55:27.920 standard for you to have because you don't ask out men you can be in the privileged position of

04:55:35.180 being the one that gets asked out i would be willing to grant that this would be a fair position to

04:55:40.540 have whoever asked should pay if men and women asked each other out at equal rates but it's not

04:55:46.860 do you pay on the first date do i pay on the first date uh now i do just because it's like the most

04:55:54.380 optimum like if you're you're not gonna like this answer but if you're like looking at dating like a

04:55:59.700 chess board like it is the most optimum move to make so it's not because like you think you should

04:56:04.180 it's because it's like you think that's like or you it's not because you think it's right it's because

04:56:08.760 you think you're supposed to and like this is that will get the best result i mean i've also like

04:56:12.740 started dating women who i think are like a bit higher quality like when i was younger i used to

04:56:17.080 be on dating apps and stuff and like if you're meeting there's some like uh hidden gems out there

04:56:23.520 i guess but if you're meeting a girl off a dating app like there's a good chance she's like romantically

04:56:28.240 or sexually involved with another man and so like this type of woman is certainly not deserving of 1.00

04:56:33.500 like if she's fucking go if she's fucking another hold on if she's fucking another guy like yeah i don't 0.99

04:56:39.100 think as a guy she deserves for you to pay for her on a date and plenty of women have like a sneaky 1.00

04:56:44.640 link fuck buddy all the while they're like dating other people like trying to go on dates trying to 0.98

04:56:48.960 find like the guy who will actually commit to her yeah not real fair proposition for me to pay for you 0.99

04:56:53.760 on a date if you're fucking another dude um even if you're like romantic interests are divided if 0.59

04:56:59.640 you're a girl and you're dating other men yeah i don't think that's a fair proposition that i 0.94

04:57:03.840 pay for a date but as a guy if you want to maximize your outcomes when it comes to dating

04:57:09.880 yeah you should probably pay for the first date but i've also like elevated the type of women i date 1.00

04:57:13.460 so yeah i do pay for dates okay yeah long-winded i guess can i have a question of advice then

04:57:20.760 sure um okay so when i'll be ready to date when i'm obviously in my time when i'm confident enough to

04:57:29.420 again um i guess now even for us it's i mean for me say it's kind of hard to

04:57:36.260 know where to go or how to meet someone without being online because i think it's it has taken over

04:57:44.980 a lot and kind of almost had us depend uh for our sort of uh social habits now we'll be like you know

04:57:53.540 not really confident enough to come up to someone and talk to them in person because of that social

04:57:58.680 anxiety and so then i guess you're more confident behind a screen right but if you do want to find

04:58:05.140 someone in person and not on an app you know and unless but they you don't know if they'd be on an

04:58:10.180 app or not so how how did you find someone that was of high quality that wasn't on an app and where

04:58:17.120 did you do you just go to where do you go and and do you go to like a cafe and like come up to them

04:58:24.840 and he finds a god-fearing woman and i'm kind of i'm just i'm just curious as we are i knew the answer

04:58:31.300 i'm just curious i knew the answer then he would package that answer and sell it for millions of

04:58:35.980 dollars and every man on planet earth would buy it nobody has any idea like i guess i'm just i'm

04:58:41.800 just i guess i'm just curious as this is a we are a lonelier generation now i guess i mean um

04:58:47.940 i want to get right back to the actual conversation that was occurring instead of like just fyi guys

04:58:53.860 we're going to be here for very long if we kind of like get into these like derailments every time but

04:58:58.400 um where where do i go where do women go what do you well what do you recommend then if you're if 0.99

04:59:06.380 someone's ready to date and they don't want to go on i mean are you in college yes i mean you're

04:59:11.520 kind of in like there's gonna there's really no better time i guess meet someone there right

04:59:16.360 yeah i mean you could you could kind of like linger around after class a little bit you can i mean at

04:59:21.420 least from the girl's perspective a guy can't do this but you can kind of i guess a guy could do too

04:59:25.440 but he would have to take the proactive role of approaching you can kind of linger a bit you can

04:59:30.460 linger around campus a bit um there's certain like activities that you could become part of i think 0.94

04:59:35.120 dating apps are like pretty pretty dog shit clubs there's there's some like you can find good

04:59:40.360 people on dating apps but like you have to kind of like shift through quite a few people 0.84

04:59:44.240 um so do you think it would be kind of normal if you were i guess because i don't think it's

04:59:48.800 as common anymore as someone will just approach someone say hey i think you're really attractive

04:59:53.280 are you whatever so do you think it's normal to just i guess befriend someone first maybe if you're

04:59:58.440 in the same major or if you're whatever just to be friends first and then go forward with seeing 0.94

05:00:04.120 if you're interested in i don't believe in the starting off with friend shit i think i guess how do 0.78

05:00:09.080 you how would it work i mean i my personal take on this whether you're a man or a woman 0.94

05:00:13.920 like there need to be romantic undertones from the get-go like i don't believe in this like let's be

05:00:18.000 friends for three months bullshit so then where do you find high value women because i'll that's 1.00

05:00:24.100 probably where i am anyways so i'll just be there yeah uh where do you find high value

05:00:29.100 that's what i think that's what her question was my question my question with that is okay then if

05:00:36.180 it's if you're saying if you recommend me being doing that at school who should approach who then

05:00:41.680 because i guess if as a socially anxious more like society as we're all on our phones i'll look and

05:00:49.020 everyone is on their phone too including me so well i mean like there's the gendered answer and then 0.98

05:00:55.560 there's also like the person who goes for they what they want answer so regardless of your fucking 0.98

05:01:01.620 gender like if there's something that you want in your life you fucking go for it so like all this 0.99

05:01:07.840 bullshit about oh the guy should approach like i mean you don't think it's awkward if if a girl 0.99

05:01:12.400 approaches a guy no i mean in fact your success rate as the girl approaching is going to be orders 0.99

05:01:18.080 of magnitude higher than if a guy is trying to approach the woman um i guess it takes being i mean

05:01:24.720 i've been like rejected a few times when i've come up to people but i guess that just doesn't

05:01:28.280 and that's made me insecure in a way to like not come up as well as well but i guess if you're saying

05:01:33.500 so i mean i i would say though generally speaking like as a woman um your success rate is going to be

05:01:40.720 like way higher if you are approaching men in addition to this even if you do get rejected typically

05:01:46.140 men are going to be way more kind of accommodating they're going to be way more polite like women are

05:01:50.900 pretty ruthless typically uh when it comes to rejection like sometimes women can be kind of 1.00

05:01:57.100 diplomatic when it comes to rejection but other times uh even if you do it in like a super polite

05:02:03.920 way they can still like and it doesn't always look good when i've been rejected it was awkward but you

05:02:10.100 know what that's okay like you move on can i do you want some like just yeah just a personal

05:02:14.520 brutal honesty i mean um you sure

05:02:18.360 about well i mean look okay i'll just i'm not talking about me right now i'm not i'm not good

05:02:25.660 enough right now to be walked up to and everything like that but when i do look the part and i'm that

05:02:30.380 way yeah i mean like look the the reality is you seem like a really pleasant girl i'm sure like a lot

05:02:35.040 of guys i mean i don't know you that well but you seem kind of pleasant and um all that sort of stuff

05:02:40.540 but i mean when it comes to like i think when it comes to you taking charge in terms of approaching

05:02:47.940 men like i think uh guys are pretty uh guys are kind of uh physical physical so like i mean i think 0.94

05:02:59.860 it would help like maybe look i need to lose a couple pounds too i'm fucking i got dad bog right now 0.96

05:03:04.340 i gotta lose like 30 40 pounds i think it would be helpful if you're gonna take the initiative 0.93

05:03:08.700 like i'm gonna get fucking if i'm trying to approach girls i'm a little chubby right now i'm gonna get 0.99

05:03:14.760 scorched up same with you like if you're trying to like do cold approach you gotta like we both gotta 0.98

05:03:19.900 lose a bit of weight you know what i'm saying of course i i completely agree with that that's why

05:03:24.660 i'm on that i don't mean to waste as much time but i'm saying that um it may be uncommon to say this

05:03:31.300 but yeah i mean i as someone that you know as as fat and heavy as i am it's hell uh hey it's harder

05:03:40.040 for lay yeah it's actually about being honest the attention i get from women has diminished ever since

05:03:44.900 i gained some weight of course it is what it is of course and i think it's also just about the fact

05:03:49.180 that like i'm not even not only am i not uh like i think attractive enough to come up to a man yet

05:03:57.260 but also i don't believe in myself yet i think that because of how fat i am i'm telling you though

05:04:02.600 like if you got if you got fit you would kill it no of course and so i think it's about building you

05:04:07.880 would be you got i think it's no it's not about that it's about how you feel about yourself if you 1.00

05:04:12.240 feel like shit then guys are gonna look at you like shit but also if you look like shit and you 0.99

05:04:17.360 say you're a 10 you guys are like i'm gonna interject i'm gonna interject you guys are 1.00

05:04:21.000 fucking she's i like the way she is like look i i'm totally bro this is y'all y'all be gassing each 0.97

05:04:26.720 other up but i don't believe any of it yes and that's true you should totally let me tell you why 0.99

05:04:32.240 confidence let me let me tell you why let me lose the weight hold on a shy i'll tell you this like a

05:04:38.200 shy girl who's like within a healthy body fat percentage range is gonna like i don't care if 1.00

05:04:43.560 she steps to a dude awkward and shy she's gonna go a lot further than absolutely and that's the

05:04:48.380 confidence i didn't want to bring up fine then she does she just has to has to exist i didn't want

05:04:53.540 to bring up any guys will approach her i didn't want to bring up any quarreling here i don't want

05:04:57.600 to be no you're look i i understand what i am and i i think it's ugly and i don't and also at the same

05:05:04.240 time because you're not i don't being at this at this point in my life and looking and being this heavy

05:05:10.960 it's not just about how i look it's about the fact that i am like it's just not a happy life

05:05:18.200 being this heavy you're out of breath when you walk up a set of stairs you're you know you're

05:05:23.860 not able to like i guess uh you know run as much when you're on the treadmill and like stuff like

05:05:30.200 that when i'm walking with someone on a date this has happened a lot where we're talking and i'll be

05:05:34.840 out of breath and it's quite embarrassing so obviously you know it's like i myself don't when

05:05:41.080 you're this way and you're not working as much to be better you don't have self-belief you don't have

05:05:46.280 trust within yourself at least i don't so when i do have that and when i do get to a healthy weight so

05:05:52.860 that i can also do what i'm passionate about again dance do whatever and and that i have my

05:05:58.940 priorities straight and everything then i'd be confident enough to come up to a person even if i did

05:06:02.660 get rejected that'd be okay but at least i have the self-belief and trust and like also like it's

05:06:10.000 i think it's about being body neutral i don't think it's about being body positive being perfect just the

05:06:14.880 way you are um i don't know it's it's it's just not it's just i don't think it should be very

05:06:22.060 encouraged especially with how respect the honesty especially with being look i'm in the 200 pound range

05:06:28.040 that's obesity and that's not healthy and it's not right especially from you know just how i feel

05:06:34.140 on a daily basis look the only reason i brought it up not to like it was you were asking me okay no

05:06:40.020 of course the dating apps suck right how do i meet men out in person oh maybe i could approach them 0.53

05:06:45.200 i'm saying like in terms of like what you can do right now that you can have control over the

05:06:51.860 number one thing like in terms of maximizing your dating prospects is not gonna be like currently

05:06:59.580 you can do it like i think you'll probably still get get guys you know because you got the riz or

05:07:03.940 whatever but it would be it would be to like this is the number it's the number one thing i could

05:07:09.380 maximize right now is myself losing weight i think the number one thing would be like hey like get fit

05:07:14.840 you know focus on yourself build a routine as someone who's lost 30 pounds you feel so much better

05:07:21.300 when you do lose the weight it has nothing to do about like how you feel like you're a heavyweight

05:07:26.320 person and be a freaking rock star and there's tons of them out there however it's there's nothing

05:07:31.800 wrong with prioritizing yourself and your health and it brings other people to you who also prioritize 0.80

05:07:38.120 themselves and their health like that's a that's a very good thing so yeah don't be embarrassed about

05:07:42.820 that like we all go through body fluctuations but put in the work because you love yourself go to the gym

05:07:48.260 because you love yourself like don't don't know it and i think that if i know yeah yes no no no i

05:07:56.280 think that if you go lose weight to lose weight why you gotta sugarcoat yeah lose the weight why you 1.00

05:08:03.040 guys gotta package this shit with the fucking gift wrapping and the sparkles and shit no you're gonna 1.00

05:08:08.260 lose weight so you can lose weight so you can be healthier yeah not still anyway and to live longer 1.00

05:08:13.200 and to be able to also feel healthier and to also feel better and especially also when it comes to

05:08:19.320 pregnancy as well when you're pregnant you do have to gain uh more weight as well so i'm like this right

05:08:24.960 now and i'm pregnant or whatever then yeah gosh that's not going to be that's not going to be very

05:08:30.960 pleasant so i think that if a guy actually rejects someone because they're overweight i don't think

05:08:36.380 that's actually a bad thing everyone has a preference look but everyone you can still go

05:08:42.360 out there and get a guy i'm just giving you the whole hard truth of how to maximize absolutely

05:08:46.880 getting a dude but i think i guess personally what i'm saying here is that you know i think it's about

05:08:50.700 i just want to like build myself you will get a guy when you prioritize yourself when you when you

05:08:56.580 work on yourself when you make yourself feel the best and when you do hobbies that you love

05:09:00.560 um you will meet people in those fields she's an incredible dancer like if you love dancing keep

05:09:05.800 doing dancing like get feel get fit feel healthier and then with all that comes way better stuff yeah

05:09:12.500 and then i think with a person that you find i think it could be like then they're a bonus to your

05:09:16.300 life instead of just being your life being the priority of just no matter what i look like no

05:09:19.960 matter what i am i'm just going to find guys or whatever because also it could be you're not

05:09:23.540 prioritizing i'm not prioritizing my health my body my house my cleaning habits my uh education

05:09:29.320 whatever so it's like yeah you know it could just be a bonus to life what's the big labia thing

05:09:33.880 about because i do have one and you guys support that or what um the um the big labia hashtag big

05:09:42.140 labia matter wait what are you were saying about surgeries that were going on what was yeah there's

05:09:45.820 10 000 labiaplasties a year it's a total tragedy chat should i get one yes or no labiaplasty

05:09:50.780 because someone doesn't like how it is so there's innies and outies more petals on the flower

05:09:56.640 and that's okay here raise your raise your hand if you have an audi i'm like the i'm wait only me

05:10:03.300 that's crazy i'm not revealing anything i don't want to reveal i'm the queen of the blm movement yes

05:10:11.320 oh that's cool um so yeah i mean the blm thing just i mean yeah i agree you have the most beautiful soul

05:10:19.060 oh no no no no it's okay it's okay thank you it's okay um yeah i guess the whole blm thing

05:10:23.760 uh that's just basically i i only date women with large labia so 1.00

05:10:28.040 oh is is that mean it's out like that if you could shut up maybe brian will like you 0.99

05:10:33.400 isn't that what most of it is oh that's why i've seen it differently when i'm when i've watched porn 0.91

05:10:38.700 before that it's like straight like that but then sometimes it's like flappy like that yeah 0.83

05:10:42.340 but it doesn't matter as uh big big labia defenders we don't like the term flappy oh i'm

05:10:47.940 sorry what what's the term i'm offended please use the appropriate term uh audi audi an audi okay 0.98

05:10:55.240 labia or big labia what's a vagina is a vagina right we don't we don't appreciate wizard sleeve we 1.00

05:11:00.860 don't appreciate beef curtains we don't appreciate wasn't that used in borat wizard sleeve it was 0.99

05:11:05.980 it was like sleeve of wizard we don't support that i love i love that support that yeah um i'm i'm uh 0.95

05:11:12.440 yeah it's yeah it's not it's not like sleeve of wizard you know what y'all guys have genitalia

05:11:19.420 preferences you want a guy who's cut you want to got whatever you want a guy who's a certain size

05:11:23.860 men are allowed to also have genitalia preferences and in my case i prefer audi's do you think a 0.98

05:11:30.420 larger labia because this is a thing with men do you think a larger labia means you've had sex with 0.99

05:11:35.720 a lot of women no it doesn't mean that's fake news it's bullshit a woman could be a virgin could 1.00

05:11:41.960 have an uh like a massive labia and like a girl could have like a perfect innie and have fucked 1.00

05:11:47.120 like i mean the lips within the lips right that's also there's the there's inner inner and outer so 1.00

05:11:52.360 do you think girls that like if girls that have big labia are the equivalent to guys that have big 0.98

05:11:57.840 dicks i guess in my world yes no actually i think that's kind of cool because um i'm not 0.98

05:12:05.640 i don't even know anything here but if you're sometimes right your friends as girls that are

05:12:11.540 friends we're kind of insecure about it a little bit and we're like hey i can stretch it out like

05:12:15.300 this and like whatever that doesn't look normal because it doesn't look like it is in porn but

05:12:18.380 i guess some people don't care about how it looks so don't worry guys there's a i mean i'm pretty sure

05:12:24.440 there's a lot of that's reassuring outies and i mean there's this there's this like thing and i

05:12:29.040 think the early days of like uh when it was like still in magazines and stuff not really online

05:12:34.960 where it was like yeah it was the they only had innies or whatever but this is like changed pretty 0.99

05:12:40.740 dramatically and when it comes to porn so okay it's like shut up you fucking coomer all right 1.00

05:12:46.740 fucking labia sorry i just had to well there you go coomer gremlin um yo wait yo hey andrew 1.00

05:12:56.580 andrew bro hey did you see the leaks holy oh it's so rude oh my gosh what leaks 0.99

05:13:04.580 destiny humping lawrence southern and she blowing him and oh man it just goes on

05:13:12.260 wait what on the coomer gremlins be coomer gremlin uh here this is below the threshold but i'll just

05:13:20.440 read it because it's kind of a nice comment to you chair three mad props for being real you have

05:13:24.780 better chances of being in a happy marriage than the rest of the women at the table boom roasted i 1.00

05:13:29.160 would gladly pay for the first date just have a real conversation with you so 0.99

05:13:32.860 oh shit dms are open she's single thank you 1.00

05:13:38.320 hey see she can get it right see fuck i don't know what i'm talking about bro they're ready 1.00

05:13:49.340 hey she's curvy you know they're ready for it okay you're very kind thank you um i'm gonna read 0.99

05:13:54.900 this chapter we'll get right back to the conversation go ahead gianna read this with

05:13:58.980 your gothness all right c3 as a 20 year old 20 year husband who went from earning 20k to 160k if you 0.61

05:14:08.840 look for a normal guy you are willing to be his support to yeah support him you will succeed my wife 0.78

05:14:16.080 is not perfect but perfect for me oh that's so kind oh that's uh really um that's really

05:14:24.060 so beautiful i love the tapping nice yeah so i did want to kind of wrap up really quick the bow

05:14:33.020 conversation going back to you here okay so you're like when it came to the bow you're like is he gonna

05:14:38.100 bow for me and you're like and i said no and you're like well no way but like do you want a guy to open

05:14:43.980 the car door for you that's the gentleman thing to do yeah yeah but don't you think it would be kind

05:14:48.700 of ridiculous like the gentleman thing would be for a woman to bow right bowing is crazy and some 0.99

05:14:54.200 cultures maybe no in fucking pasty white boy california surfer dude culture yeah she can still bow i don't 1.00

05:15:03.780 care if she's white asian black latina indigenous native american samoan pacific islander this is crazy 1.00

05:15:15.540 what's crazy that you want a woman to bow for you why is that crazy what what is she she's not you don't

05:15:21.440 own her she's not your property she's a human being i don't know yeah if you're in a partnership you should

05:15:25.280 have respect for each other i feel like bowing right if you're in a partnership you should pay 50 50

05:15:29.560 on the first date well if you ask me if you ask me on the date asked if you ask if you ask me out on a date

05:15:37.260 venice okay go ahead thank you um yeah if you ask me out on a date i'm expecting you to pay if i ask

05:15:46.660 you if i ask you on the date i'm expecting you to bow and be submissive and do my laundry too no thank

05:15:51.740 you if we go see that's my that's the extra labor here first date expectation she's got to fold my 1.00

05:15:58.640 laundry no oh no she does and she has to in fact i like to make it even you know we at modernity 0.63

05:16:07.180 they're the comforts of modernity washing machine drying machine fuck that at my place i got a 0.99

05:16:15.160 fucking what's that called a washboard she has to wash my clothes in a fucking washboard and i got a 1.00

05:16:21.780 clothesline she's got a clothesline pin clothesline pin pin that shit up are you being real is this is 1.00

05:16:27.960 this wait are you is this true i am amish how dare you i'm actually amish no i didn't know yeah 0.99

05:16:34.820 uh yes this is real am i okay maybe i'm gullible i don't are you telling the truth i am telling the

05:16:41.980 truth about the laundry thing i'm joking about the washboard although don't tempt me with a good 0.97

05:16:46.260 time i will do that shit i'm gonna get a fucking washboard where can i get a washboard home depot 0.99

05:16:51.480 can you still i'm gonna go to an antique store and get me a washboard and clothes should be bamboo 0.99

05:16:57.340 just have a man make it for you that's a good idea that's a good idea but wait so going back to

05:17:03.980 this why is it crazy for the bow i just would not bow for somebody i'm i'm a human being i'm but you

05:17:11.100 want the guy to open the car door yeah because that's respectful but that takes more effort 0.86

05:17:14.740 he's got it okay so he's got it like am i fucking bleeding no started bleeding there's no blood a little 0.97

05:17:21.240 bit you just bleed i just started bleeding it's okay i was like i was scratching i think i scratched 0.91

05:17:27.260 too hard anyways whatever i'll take care of it later but uh so is it bad is it just i think you're

05:17:33.780 gonna be okay it's just like a little spot okay do you want to get neosporin or something okay thank

05:17:37.240 you though i appreciate it thank you for looking out boo um so anyways what was i saying so uh but the

05:17:43.680 actual physical thing of like so here's the bow that's it right it's it's not physically laborious

05:17:53.140 you want a guy he picks you up in his car right his uh

05:17:57.460 mustang and uh you want him to pick you up so he drove to you already right then he's got to get

05:18:06.680 out of the car he's got to get out of the car step out of the car walk around the car

05:18:11.860 open the oh here's the car oh get in close the car door behind you oh did you you y'all in okay

05:18:19.180 walk back around get back in the car that's more physical labor that would be nice that's the

05:18:24.980 respectful it would be nice for a girl to bow i'm not i'm not saying that any man every man i date has

05:18:30.780 to open every single door for me it's respectful it's just nice when men do nice things for you i think

05:18:36.440 it's this it's i think it's not like the physical behind it but like the some symbolic you know like

05:18:42.220 we are you know okay let's go into this more then um so actually it could be wait can i say both sides

05:18:48.480 actually because if you're if you're saying well it's the symbolic thing for a woman well a man is

05:18:53.400 not a servant even if he's gonna like open and close the door that's respect right so if it's like

05:18:57.840 if if we're saying then that's respect then about would be respect too and that's fine as long as

05:19:04.000 they don't think they don't demean you or so going to going back to you that's what they want going

05:19:10.160 back to you then i don't want them but that's okay okay so here let me go full circle with this then

05:19:15.680 we got to move on to the next thing otherwise yeah so you said you want the guy to pay for the first

05:19:19.860 date it would be nice would there be here let me you meet up with a guy on the first date and like

05:19:27.340 before you guys even get seated maybe you're planning to go out to dinner and he's like hey

05:19:31.920 by the way uh you we're gonna get two checks would the date end there no okay would there be a second

05:19:37.880 date possibly if we have a connection you just you said it was a it seemed like the originally it was a

05:19:46.380 big deal to you that the guy paid for the first date it's nice if a man asks me i want a date yeah

05:19:51.880 then yes but you don't ask me that i'll dance okay so you expect we're on good i like the word expect

05:19:56.460 i like the word expect so okay that's the standard so um what uh you live in la what do you think is

05:20:07.420 like kind of would be a nice date like a hundred dollars is that like what most guys are going to

05:20:13.780 spend or do you just not know how much men spend on dates it really it doesn't really matter if you

05:20:18.380 took me to a coffee shop i wouldn't be mad either like i'm not expecting a nobu dinner i just want

05:20:23.480 good conversation do you think it'd be like realistically like a kind of middle of the

05:20:28.000 road date like a hundred dollars for the date is kind of reasonable yeah like fifty dollars you know

05:20:34.180 you get you get a drink you get a meal tip the waiter sure we can just go out for drinks we don't

05:20:39.260 even have to have dinner no but sure sure but let's just say the dinner in this hypothetical example

05:20:44.960 is a hundred dollars and your expectation is you expect the man to pay let's say you're 21 right

05:20:52.000 23 oh excuse me 23 um let's say is it uh would it be totally unrealistic for you to go out with

05:20:58.800 a guy who makes 20 an hour would it be unrealistic yeah like would you like you can conceivably at 23

05:21:06.300 go out with a guy who's making 20 an hour yeah yeah okay so in order for him to pay for the hundred

05:21:11.920 dollar date in order for him to pay for the hundred dollar date he has to work five hours

05:21:17.060 he has to work five hours to go for the date can you guys be quiet over there please um

05:21:25.120 okay okay following along yes okay so just to be clear the expectation from you to the man

05:21:35.520 is that he has to work five hours he has to and let's say he does like would you date a guy who's a

05:21:41.100 construction worker yeah okay and let's say he gets paid 20 an hour your expectation is is that

05:21:45.920 he has to physically labor for five hours to take you on a date i'm not saying he has to do anything

05:21:55.940 well that you said he wants the expectation if he wants yes he wants to take you on a date okay

05:22:01.660 but you said you would expect him all right you would expect him to pay for it which entails he has to

05:22:09.860 work five hours she said she'd be cool with the coffee date you said a hundred dollars is it

05:22:14.680 unreasonable for a guy to spend a hundred dollars on it for i don't think that's crazy in today's

05:22:19.280 economy okay fine it's forty dollars and even granting that he is paying for himself and then paying for

05:22:27.880 you his contribution towards your part of the date he still has to work one hour to take you out on a

05:22:36.080 date just for what he pays for you okay that that's his choice so what would that entail if he's a

05:22:44.780 construction worker he's doing something physically laborious he's digging a ditch he's laying whatever

05:22:50.640 whatever he's doing you're telling me you would be unwilling to do this that's it yeah okay

05:23:00.320 okay it's just interesting that you guys get kind of bent out of shape over this whole bow thing

05:23:07.780 which takes no effort but and you wouldn't even do it three months into a relationship you just never 0.97

05:23:15.900 do that shit but expectation every single time i go on a date with guy he has to pay for the date 0.98

05:23:21.840 this entails that he has to work nobody said that you it you said every day okay nobody here i'll walk you 1.00

05:23:28.720 through the logic i'll walk okay how many he's really so the first date that's it and then 50 50

05:23:34.920 from then on really possibly maybe oh maybe it's interesting that you hate prostitutes but to you

05:23:41.080 a date equates to what right no it's about like corresponding roles and expectations no offense

05:23:51.300 this conversation is getting really stale we've been talking about it for so long yeah okay thank you

05:23:56.200 for sharing with that if i feel inclined i'll talk about it for the next three hours so anyways going

05:24:01.380 back to this i'm i was actually just about to wrap this up but so it's just interesting to me because

05:24:06.880 the logic and the entailment here is expectation the guy has to pay for the first date that's what has

05:24:13.240 to that's what you said i i would like that it would be nice yeah but he doesn't have to if we went

05:24:18.900 out on a date and at the end of the date he says can we split the bill sure you and i might go on a

05:24:25.480 second date if i like you if we have a connection you said i mean you're walking back your position

05:24:31.440 now because i've kind of like exposing some of the hypocrisy here but i think you just said it

05:24:36.580 would be nice and like it would set a good i mean multiple times she said she expects the guy to pay

05:24:40.920 for the first date well it's okay there's a change of opinion right no you said expect you

05:24:45.000 said expect multiple times expect go ahead well but since we've been like talking about this and

05:24:50.800 stuff if i hear something from you and i would think you know what maybe i will backtrack on that

05:24:56.260 but i'll or say i'll announce hey i take this back or you know uh after uh thinking about it more

05:25:02.360 yeah it would be fine if i bowed but also you're also it's okay to accept that maybe even if she

05:25:10.220 doesn't want to necessarily uh uh what were you saying you don't pay for the first date you you

05:25:17.200 you necessarily wouldn't want to but or no wouldn't be expecting it but it's a nice gesture it's a nice

05:25:22.800 gesture but it's not it's not required and if and it'd be fine so then and then it doesn't define the

05:25:27.980 person's character either way right if they here's the final point on this so it's just look it it all

05:25:35.480 ties into women's expectations of men to adhere to traditional gender roles women wanting men to 0.76

05:25:43.040 lead but not being followers uh you also in addition to this there's a component of uh wanting

05:25:51.380 men to be traditional but you won't be submissive you won't adhere to any of your traditional gender

05:25:56.600 roles there's a lot of confusion there uh it's just it's interesting to me though the whole like

05:26:03.600 paying for the date thing because it's the entailment it's like okay a guy has to work

05:26:08.560 this many hours to be able to afford to take me on the date but i won't do like a totally benign

05:26:15.340 bow i just think that's super interesting but to take it a step further in a different sort of

05:26:22.340 comparison here uh you won't bow but and it's actually interesting a lot of you said you would do

05:26:31.200 the bow which i find interesting but we've had a lot of women most women won't do the bow you won't 1.00

05:26:34.960 do the bow whatever uh you guys will like suck a dude's dick on the first night you'll let him blast 1.00

05:26:42.240 on you the first night you'll let him be inside you the first night maybe you'll let him hit raw the 1.00

05:26:48.340 first night who you'll do all kinds of sexual acts the first night but you won't bow i think it's 0.99

05:26:56.900 because women consider the bow disrespectful but they don't consider getting cummed on 1.00

05:27:01.060 disrespectful that's something too that is interesting thought like oh a guy who i just 0.93

05:27:07.040 met an hour ago he can blast on my face but it's an interesting i draw the line at the bow i just i

05:27:13.880 draw the line i think we have different views of sex and like i just don't view it as a bad thing it's

05:27:19.320 a mutual thing i i said i'd bow so i'm not saying that but like i don't think coming on my face in a

05:27:24.820 part of an act that we both are enjoying and i'm getting turned on by it is a bad thing you know

05:27:30.320 yes or a disrespectful thing yeah if he just comes on my face i mean like doesn't your head just kind

05:27:35.160 of bow over and over i mean i already said i about you're saying on the first day right you're saying

05:27:40.080 what's going on your head's just kind of doing bowing yeah like the same over and over like the same

05:27:45.520 if we were to like ask a bunch of like uh probably like super feminist women who are like super 1.00

05:27:50.800 progressive or liberal they'd probably be like yeah no big deal like i'd hook up with a guy on the

05:27:54.580 first date no problem but like you just ask them to do like a bow or like cook or clean or do laundry 0.99

05:27:59.360 oh i would never do laundry for a guy on the first date but like i'll suck his cock okay no it's like 0.99

05:28:05.180 but that's but that's but that's mutual but no but hold on i'm not saying sex is like a bad thing i'm 0.99

05:28:10.740 not saying that but it's just like interesting to me like you'll literally let a man like inside of

05:28:16.880 you this it's pretty intimate thing right like you'll literally let him inside of you but like the

05:28:21.520 thought of folding his laundry on the first date like whoa i would never do that i mean shouldn't

05:28:26.560 it be the reverse don't you think it should be why am i doing something for you versus sharing a 0.98

05:28:31.260 sharing an experience that we both enjoy i mean but oral sex is like i'll grant i enjoy doing sure 0.99

05:28:37.420 i'll i'll grant that there there can be like some self uh self-enjoyment from like giving oral sex 0.98

05:28:44.100 i guess um but like you're still it is still something that you're giving to the other person 0.98

05:28:50.480 like so like uh p in the v sex maybe there's a better argument there for like well we're both

05:28:56.880 getting something out of this but it's still it's like the the length to which you're willing to go

05:29:02.900 on the first date it's like you won't fold the dude's laundry you wouldn't think to like do

05:29:06.940 something i don't know uh cook for him or whatever like whatever i've done it all just pulling a guy's

05:29:12.620 shirt off and folding it before you fucking count sure awesome that's great good job but yeah it's 0.85

05:29:18.580 just crazy i mean not realistically though that you do his laundry on the first date right you're 0.95

05:29:22.300 kind of exaggerating in that way oh no i will have a girl fold my laundry on the first date and get 1.00

05:29:29.820 cum all over her on the first how much are you spending on this date where she's folding her 0.99

05:29:33.700 laundry and bowing brian i guess it's just maybe it's not maybe it's not right it's so degrading you 0.87

05:29:39.140 would you would actually have them uh fold your laundry on the first date what rather than jizzing 0.97

05:29:45.500 all over their face i just can't believe i'm not i'm a monster i'm ridiculous i am a monster i've 0.99

05:29:50.880 cleaned a guy's kitchen on a first date well i guess everyone's um but i'm not talking about the sex 0.97

05:29:55.620 part i'm talking about just like the doing that for them i guess have i had that the laundry the

05:30:00.580 question has someone done laundry for you on the first date yeah okay but wait i guess in a way

05:30:05.260 it's easy bro okay look here alex i'll walk you through it i'll walk you through it i'm just not

05:30:09.660 used to it so first off i'm a gentleman she doesn't have to do all the laundry it's already in the dryer 0.99

05:30:15.480 so okay it's hard she just has to fold the shit like if i was a real you know if i was a real jerk 1.00

05:30:22.160 i'd say okay here's the dirty laundry get it in the wash take it out of the wash put it in the dryer set 0.99

05:30:29.680 the dryer no it's already in the dryer ready to be folded because i'm a nice guy yeah i'm a nice

05:30:34.800 guy like that i i guess it's just not here it is it's like she's back in my place i'm like oh here

05:30:40.520 come with me boom oh okay walk into the laundry room i was like oh hey um can you help me with this

05:30:45.500 and she's like oh yeah and then like i leave sorry i didn't mean to spit there i leave the laundry room

05:30:51.900 and then i just go do something else but how is that if you're talking about like he's manipulative

05:30:57.500 how's that how's that manipulative no but it's like out of what you were saying if you expect

05:31:01.060 oh for men to do this women should do this if you're like yeah she should fold my laundry and 1.00

05:31:04.920 you're not spending shit on a first date like that that's not how about i spent five hundred 0.89

05:31:09.180 dollars on the flight to get around here oh sounds like he has some experience with it then yeah she 0.98

05:31:16.760 should do your laundry although sometimes she spends the money for the flight 1.00

05:31:20.080 people pay to fly to come i don't know i feel like if you're in a relationship you're

05:31:26.300 gonna do their laundry anyway just do the laundry i have had that happen as long my boyfriend does

05:31:32.880 the laundry and i fold it and i put it away and it's just a give and take it's a partnership it's

05:31:36.640 a partnership i think that if i'm if i'm married to someone of course i'll do their laundry i'll fold

05:31:41.160 it all that stuff but i guess i've never ever heard of someone doing someone's laundry on the first

05:31:46.920 date like when you see them but but i guess the difference maybe the difference right we have

05:31:52.500 expectations and then you have expectations but why don't we just meet in the middle but here hear

05:31:56.780 me out right like let's like get a bird's eye view of society and relationships you say your

05:32:02.260 boyfriend does your laundry by the way hold on i separate it for him and then he does the wash

05:32:06.660 and dryer and then i and then he gives it back to me and then i fold it and i put it away

05:32:09.480 all right so let's get a bird's eye view of society dating etc so what sounds like a bigger ask 0.98

05:32:17.620 of a woman to fuck a dude immediately on first time meeting or to fold his laundry you're making 1.00

05:32:25.260 sex sound like a chore not a mutual thing that we both like i get it but like i 0.99

05:32:29.700 yes sex sex is uh there's a both sex is a mutual value exchange like you're both getting like value

05:32:39.620 right but in terms of like is there a middle ground to just say both in terms of like an escalation of

05:32:46.900 in times past like in days past like folding laundry would occur to me like it seems like a 1.00

05:32:57.700 way smaller ask than like let me physically be inside you you know do you fuck girls who don't 1.00

05:33:03.860 want to fuck you like i don't know i just no i'm just saying like i'm just i'm just saying like 0.99

05:33:08.060 you're not whatever i get the pass because i'm retarded but but i'm just no but i'm just saying like 1.00

05:33:15.300 like women enjoy sex too yes i know y'all guys come you guys come like 20 fucking times in the 0.99

05:33:24.260 session i get it that you guys prefer yeah sex is better for women i'll even grant you that if we 1.00

05:33:29.220 were to say let's say y'all are the ones bro i've never had my leg fucking shaking and like my roll 1.00

05:33:34.620 eyes rolling back in my head during sex y'all are the ones who are fucking squirming and shit 1.00

05:33:38.900 and fucking your legs are shaking and you're having your squirting multiple orgasms all this 1.00

05:33:44.260 shit okay yeah it doesn't have to be that vulgar that getting on your knees and accepting a man's 1.00

05:33:52.460 semen into your mouth is extraordinarily submissive and that's probably why you enjoy doing it because 1.00

05:34:00.020 it's submissive okay okay but the main question being right it would you rather do sex or fold 0.99

05:34:08.720 laundry and if i was to say like neither i maybe i don't want to have sex with him that night as well 0.74

05:34:14.100 as the fact that i don't want to i'm not used to i think in art i mean in culture in general for us

05:34:19.720 right it's like it's that's a pretty maybe some people are like that's kind of a personal ask i don't

05:34:25.180 even really know you that well i just met you and i'm doing your laundry that's kind of like but

05:34:30.620 i'm also doing something but don't you think don't you think no i just don't think we're used to

05:34:34.740 being but it maybe it's a different but i don't know i guess i'm trying to like put this

05:34:38.940 don't you think that society is so backwards that laundry is a big deal but the man being inside of 0.99

05:34:51.360 you i think it is penis p in the v yes it it it seems like a bit of a reversal would you rather 0.96

05:34:59.300 pay for my day or do my laundry what but no it's the same thing would you rather pay for our date or 0.99

05:35:07.200 do my laundry because you're asking if we would ever if we would rather have sex or do your laundry 0.56

05:35:13.800 and so it's the same thing the analogy we've been using for the past two hours is would you rather pay

05:35:19.160 for my date or do my laundry you'd probably rather pay for the date it's easy oh not saying i i kind

05:35:25.100 of backtracked that a little bit but it's way easier than what opening your legs like is that is that

05:35:32.720 literally your argument no i was saying the same analogy vincent louis thank you man thank you vincent

05:35:41.980 hey ladies i have a submission question if you were comatose and pregnant and delivering the baby 1.00

05:35:47.580 will kill you what choice do you want your man to make andrew knows the answer 0.72

05:35:52.640 bro this is over this is way too over their head i think man yeah it's too over our head guys we 0.99

05:36:01.140 would not get it i can't you know what hang on that's fair do you get it can you answer i would

05:36:07.460 want the baby to be i would want the baby to be i understand the question yeah if i understand the

05:36:13.280 question answer the question would you would you save your wife for the baby you're saying no go

05:36:16.860 ahead go ahead i would rather my husband save the baby if it was either me die or the baby die i'd

05:36:21.480 rather my husband save the baby it doesn't go over our heads guys it's a new life i would not

05:36:26.720 because i can make sure are you sure you read the question if i if i'm dead i can't make any more

05:36:33.800 babies you know all right um by the way i do apologize for the delay on letting these come in

05:36:38.820 we were kind of in the middle of the exchange so um i do apologize vincent for the delay there on the

05:36:44.040 dts also lol paladins pale and well met lol paladins donated two hundred dollars and two cents

05:36:51.240 the woke feminist doesn't need to bow for me that's misogyny just so long as she comes back 1.00

05:36:57.880 to my place and i get to blow my load all over her face two hours after i met her 1.00

05:37:02.700 that's pretty i love that i don't really know that blowing a guy is all that submissive though 0.99

05:37:14.020 because you literally have him by the balls sometimes when you say it out loud though it 0.92

05:37:18.040 really does kind of start making sense and sounding different sometimes you kind of have to say 0.99

05:37:22.560 something out loud to realize bb is a little ridiculous let's test hang on let's test that

05:37:27.960 though uh just by a quick show of hands uh if it was two men and one was you know doing that act to 0.66

05:37:34.200 another man would you consider the man he was doing the act to to be submissive or dominant show of

05:37:39.780 hands if you think that that man would be submissive wait if two men are coming on each other 0.97

05:37:43.640 no if one man was blowing another one would you consider the man doing the blowing to be the

05:37:51.140 submissive one or the dominant one is this like a consensual situation like a jail situation

05:37:56.540 that's a vastly different answer or wait maybe he's so but the guy that's getting the head is

05:38:02.820 like i'm not going to do it at all so he's just yeah he's submissive exactly he would be considered

05:38:07.620 even by the women's standard he would be considered submissive maybe he's just trying to get his laundry

05:38:12.520 folded yeah i guess no no he wouldn't even get his laundry folded right the idea here is that he'd

05:38:18.660 rather get blasted in the face than fold the laundry what if i want to do both so they're having a sword 0.75

05:38:25.720 fight you're saying like a lot of paladins i do apologize for the delay there we just uh got kind 0.81

05:38:31.980 of distracted with the exchange um jiana can you read these next two chair one as a polyamorous woman 1.00

05:38:38.320 do you feel like your man can't give you everything sexually so that's why you want other people

05:38:44.040 if the answer is yes why not get a quick answer please quick answer i don't get it uh 0.99

05:38:50.220 i feel like he can give me everything sexually actually i do he doesn't have a pussy wait he can 0.99

05:38:58.140 he can okay and he does so the he wanted a quick answer yeah i said i don't want to linger too long 0.98

05:39:05.420 we're so behind so i i'm saying that i he can give me everything i need sexually um it's the reason why 0.54

05:39:13.500 we swing with other people isn't because i need to be gratified in a different way it's more we like

05:39:19.300 connecting with other people and experiencing that together so it has nothing to do with that can you

05:39:24.620 read this one even better instead of paying for her food at a restaurant if she cooked for the date

05:39:30.240 she gets a second date for sure cook me a casserole and do my laundry that's wifey right there 1.00

05:39:35.560 uh little paladins thank you for the uh super chat man really appreciate it thank you thank you and then

05:39:41.520 we this is below the threshold but uh i'll let you guys read it if you you don't have to read it but

05:39:46.880 you can read it in your brains nope i don't mean that uh but thank you man for the message i do

05:39:52.760 appreciate it thank you uh michael smith uh do appreciate it okay uh i'm gonna

05:39:57.380 hold on here i'm gonna try to finish we only got to the pre-show notes on you and we still have the

05:40:05.580 questionnaire so um i'm gonna get through yours really quick get to the questionnaire then we'll

05:40:10.760 come back to the pre-show notes to yours you said that uh thoughts on controlling possessive

05:40:15.300 relationships what did you want to talk on there i don't know i'm just trying to honestly put

05:40:20.340 things down i didn't know what to say okay um like so for example really quick we won't linger

05:40:25.720 too long on this but like how about this would this be controlling uh a guy does not want his

05:40:30.820 girlfriend to dress he wants her to dress modestly doesn't want her to dress revealing doesn't want 0.52

05:40:36.620 her to post certain photos like uh bikini photos on instagram and doesn't want to go out to the bar 1.00

05:40:42.620 is that kind of what you're talking about i feel like i've gone back and forth on that topic i was

05:40:47.200 more kind of intrigued i literally was just putting things down more intrigued uh then i'll go to your

05:40:51.880 next thing then you said uh bad baby daddies and why that happens why don't men feel the need to be

05:40:56.980 there for their kids i just find that interesting like why is it so common for like guys to be bad

05:41:01.940 dads i don't know why is it so common for women to kill their child in the womb what what what oh it's 0.99

05:41:09.240 just like but why why the critique of men who are not willing to be fathers are you gonna be a bad dad

05:41:13.680 wow that totally is a non-argument so you're saying wow there's a bunch of like uh deadbeat dads

05:41:20.560 sure totally um why are women allowed to escape from responsibility when it comes to pregnancy but 1.00

05:41:26.900 men aren't so as a woman you can literally so you might not you might not believe you might not believe 0.72

05:41:36.460 that like abortion is like killing or whatever um but like as a woman you have like you can get an 0.99

05:41:42.940 abortion so wouldn't this be like also evidence of essentially like the counterpoint of deadbeat dads

05:41:49.460 is women who get abortions no i think well because so just to be clear so man let me ask you a question

05:41:57.840 a man uh the woman gets pregnant he it was a one-night stand she wants to keep it he doesn't 0.97

05:42:04.880 he's on the hook for child support for 18 years you would describe him as like a deadbeat dad no no i mean

05:42:10.440 i that would be a deadbeat dad right i'm talking about more so example i feel like there's okay

05:42:15.660 maybe yeah that's like an example but still i feel like i mean if the man wanted the child

05:42:20.720 don't you think he would be a also why'd he come in her if he like is like doing all that you know 0.76

05:42:28.340 what i mean like why he theoretically caused the problem oh so men should keep their legs closed 0.83

05:42:33.280 no men should just like but but you would say that like okay what would you say to a guy for 0.99

05:42:37.960 there's a difference between having sex and then like exploding in a bitch i'm sorry but like what 1.00

05:42:41.600 oh but i mean a woman can like be okay with that and then get pregnant and also like birth control i 1.00

05:42:48.440 don't really i know i'm just talking about i feel like it's like a reoccurring thing for like there's

05:42:51.860 just you know we talk about like courtesy with like or woman having values but then it's like all of a

05:42:56.560 sudden men feel like nothing to like you know be there for their kids and such like i just find that a

05:43:01.700 little strange yeah obviously i think it's a different like we're talking about outliers like

05:43:06.280 obviously it's a different situation sorry um when you know there's like a one night stand and like

05:43:11.640 i'm not you know that sucks for everybody involved but i'm just saying like i don't know i literally

05:43:15.700 was just putting topics out there because i just didn't know what to say but yeah i mean um

05:43:20.620 i it's just it's kind of interesting to me like there's a lot of criticisms over deadbeat dads but like

05:43:27.720 this i mean maybe they weren't ready to have a kid i feel like that's fair i feel like if you

05:43:38.280 want to have a baby and the dad does not want to be a dad he should be able to opt out yeah but they

05:43:43.020 can't and you as a woman can take away his bodily autonomy by going to the state by going to the court 1.00

05:43:49.120 or going to like some government agency and saying i want child support and then he has to labor

05:43:55.140 for 18 years or sometimes beyond that depending on the state and then you can force him

05:44:01.300 otherwise they take not only can you compel him to labor you can also uh the state can then put him

05:44:09.980 in prison if he fails to pay child support i mean i'm not saying there's bad sorry oh no go ahead i'm

05:44:16.760 not saying there's bad situations where like also women don't just like get knocked up on purpose for 1.00

05:44:20.300 a reason like obviously that does happen but i feel like i just see it where it's like it's just

05:44:24.740 so common for there to be like i i feel like i can't speak on this like i don't have any kids and

05:44:28.840 also like i don't have a single mother but i just thought it was like i don't know i feel like that's

05:44:32.860 like a reoccurring pattern i see it's also the same men that are talking about women bowing to them

05:44:37.100 and women being submissive yet they don't show up for their kids isn't your whole role to like

05:44:40.320 you know where are you drawing these like totally am i is that a crazy comparison have you ever first off

05:44:46.120 you said oh it's these men who like demand women to bow have you ever heard a guy wanting a girl to

05:44:51.800 bow until you met me tonight no but i'm talking yeah you've never so why are you saying like oh

05:44:56.680 all these men who want like women to bow no but like not just like in a literal battle but like in

05:45:00.960 a mental sense in a mental sense i feel like that's not a crazy comparison you want to be dominant and

05:45:04.680 all that stuff but then the second it involves like you know you want to be the leader of the

05:45:08.060 household but the second you actually have to lead people that you like opt out what yeah yes listen

05:45:14.620 the second you have to lead you know not just your woman whatever but like children be the 1.00

05:45:19.980 leader of the household that's that's when you draw the line i'll be the leader of like that pussy 1.00

05:45:23.860 but like i'm not gonna like actually leave the household i this i don't even think this is 0.98

05:45:29.600 particularly compelling you'd have to actually provide some sort of evidence that's the case that

05:45:34.160 men who are just to be clear so is your position men who are more traditional are less likely

05:45:41.780 than liberal progressive that's not what i said at all that is not what i said at all you're doing

05:45:46.800 like a uh you're making a compare and contrast so do you think uh traditional men are more or less

05:45:55.420 likely to step up in the event of like a pregnancy more okay so what's your argument

05:45:59.960 i'm just kind of talking about themes that i've seen i literally once again throwing topics out

05:46:05.620 there but i've seen that theme a lot going back to this so you're saying well uh deadbeat dads like

05:46:09.900 terrible terrible um you would have to also just say that uh abortion is bad too then right 0.98

05:46:15.760 i i don't think it's a good or bad thing i'm pro-choice but i don't think it's like a glorified

05:46:23.080 thing i don't think anybody does it's a sad choice that has to be made sometimes the majority of

05:46:27.180 abortions are not like for the life of the mother they're not for like essay they're not for um

05:46:32.320 like incest typically most of these women are just irresponsible and 1.00

05:46:35.800 uh an accident happens like most abortions occur for i think it's a really sad situation i think

05:46:42.880 that's why you know like birth control should be super accessible i'm fine with that yeah

05:46:47.480 but the reality is when it comes to abortion most of these women are just getting abortions just 1.00

05:46:52.740 they got knocked up like there was no essay there's no incest there's no like there's no risk

05:46:57.840 to her life they just that's also like another they just want these women just want to escape 1.00

05:47:02.540 responsibility just like men are trying to escape responsibility well maybe it's just kind of like

05:47:10.060 you know just like a sad situation that's happening like all around i'm not saying it's like bad to get

05:47:14.880 an abortion at all like things happen but i'm just saying like i i don't know i the same way you're

05:47:21.000 talking about like people being more traditional and such it's like well maybe there is like truth to

05:47:25.320 like you know being a little bit more intentional with what you do and like me also like correcting my

05:47:29.900 past mistakes and such like i don't know

05:47:33.040 so if you're saying okay so if we take out the if we take out the essay because obviously with

05:47:42.540 everyone here we know that that's not you know right and that's it's disgusting and then if we 0.78

05:47:47.920 take out the incest and take out that if the person say is like oh my goo going raw oh my goo

05:47:54.780 because and but she doesn't have any birth control or anything and then they're not using like i 0.51

05:47:59.480 believe that that shouldn't be encouraged i believe that both people should know the consequence that

05:48:06.060 most likely also there's pre-cum as well so like you know i think that at least one of them if they're

05:48:13.240 not if they don't want to have a baby at that time and then they're not expecting it and they just

05:48:17.420 want to have fun i think that at least one of them should have protection if not two sure i totally

05:48:22.380 agree but i guess the point i'm trying to make here is that as a woman when it comes to uh i guess

05:48:30.860 bodily autonomy and control here so i guess things are changing a little bit just because what state

05:48:36.680 you're in but you can always go to like a state where abortion is legal so as a woman i'm sure you

05:48:41.200 would all agree like you'd totally be fine with perhaps the abortion doesn't even need a reason but

05:48:47.380 for example would you say that abortion would be acceptable if the woman isn't ready acceptable 0.92

05:48:52.960 i mean i think it would like rip me apart on the inside emotionally for sure but acceptable

05:48:57.760 acceptable reason to get an abortion yes i also think there's an added thing of pregnancy 0.64

05:49:03.380 rather than just taking care of the child for 18 years and paying for the child whatever yeah

05:49:11.120 as if that's not a big deal but um well we both do that though i'll come well i'll come to that in

05:49:16.800 just a moment but okay so what about he the guy's not financially ready or sorry excuse me the woman's 0.99

05:49:22.940 not financially ready to have a child is that pretext for getting an abortion is that right so 0.99

05:49:29.920 we're talking about like they didn't protect themselves either way then she's pregnant okay 0.98

05:49:33.400 yeah abortion she's not ready in my opinion she's not financially ready okay yeah that's so those sorts 0.93

05:49:42.220 of decisions are only decisions the woman has once the woman's pregnant the man has no like he can't 0.99

05:49:49.120 escape from his uh he can't escape because like if a guy were to tell you oh i'm not financially

05:49:57.300 ready i'm just not emotionally ready i'm not ready to be a father tough luck 18 year old kid

05:50:03.300 you're gonna be on the hook for child support for 18 years that's gonna entail you're losing your

05:50:09.940 bodily autonomy because then you're gonna have to work you're gonna be siphoning part of your income

05:50:15.180 to the the woman by the way there's absolutely no checks and balances when it comes to what the

05:50:20.060 woman can spend child support on she can spend it on things that are not related at all to child 0.97

05:50:24.720 support in addition to this if you don't pay the child support or you're late or you're just you hit

05:50:29.400 a financial straight she can then go into the court or the court will just on it on its own behest 1.00

05:50:33.640 can put this man in prison or jail for failing to pay child support taking away his bodily autonomy

05:50:39.940 so that's true that that's actually a law yeah as a woman you get pregnant no i know i'm saying that

05:50:50.680 that people can be put in prison for not yeah so yes so when it comes to this uh oh the the man has

05:50:57.280 no say the woman can go to the court can go to a government agency hey i'm pregnant it's a really

05:51:02.620 different or i have a kid i want child support i'm owed child support i deserve child support i'm

05:51:08.580 gonna get child support she's gonna get it the man can't say i don't want to pay nope you have to pay 0.99

05:51:13.080 and then if he if he fails to pay he's gonna start having to pay interest on what he's owed

05:51:18.820 if he's unable to pay it then there's uh then he can it doesn't happen immediately but if he starts

05:51:25.460 getting far enough behind not only is there going to be interest applied they're going to throw him

05:51:29.420 in jail for failing to pay child support it's a crime in fact we've done a way we've recognized

05:51:33.680 as a society that uh you can't it's bad to put people in jail when it comes to debts we've done

05:51:40.800 away with debtors prisons except for one child support and and this is like 99 of people when it

05:51:50.040 comes to child support it's the man paying to the woman and when it comes to getting thrown in

05:51:54.240 in jail it's like 99 men i mean it's a really difficult situation i know someone who didn't

05:52:02.480 pay their child support for a while and they never got thrown in jail is there like what's

05:52:06.460 i know how long is it how long is the i mean what happens from tangential things so okay let's

05:52:12.280 suspend your license um i know he can lead the country sorry well well i mean if he if he lives

05:52:20.000 out of the country then how would he be jailed no i i meant he i know he could not leave the country

05:52:24.840 though yeah there's all sorts of there's all sorts of penalties which are imposed on you for the lack

05:52:29.280 of payment and so if you picked up on any of these these things like you're just driving down the street

05:52:33.860 and your license has been revoked going to jail so like it's it's stuff like that okay i did not know

05:52:40.620 that yeah i mean it depends on the jurisdiction jurisdiction excuse me depends on like geographical

05:52:46.900 there's different laws in different uh states different cities etc but i mean ultimately um

05:52:53.800 and also like if a woman's not like really making much complaints uh you know then it's perhaps less 0.99

05:53:00.420 likely sometimes but i mean if she's like actually actively pursuing it in the court system

05:53:05.440 and the court system my understanding is they get some sort of cut from the child support so it's

05:53:10.840 also in the the agencies or the court's interest and actually like making sure they collect like as a

05:53:16.520 woman you don't really have to like chase down the dude like the court and these government agencies are 1.00

05:53:21.900 really good at like chasing dudes down they're going to garnish your wages they're going to do all

05:53:26.120 as much as they can so that they get the money and then yeah and if they have a show cause for why

05:53:32.640 you haven't paid and you don't show up it's a contempt of court so there's like there's all

05:53:37.060 sorts of of different things which are associative to child support the thing is is that the system

05:53:43.160 itself yes there are uh deadbeat dads there's no doubt who refuse to pay support because they don't

05:53:48.860 want anything to do with their kids that's that's true right and that burden shouldn't shift on to the

05:53:54.060 taxpayer but by that same metric if a woman decides that she wants to have a child it's her body her

05:53:59.860 choice and so she goes off and has the child and the man doesn't want it then how he can be stuck

05:54:06.480 on the hook uh is beyond me that seems like an additional privilege a woman gets to make that 1.00

05:54:12.120 uh choice but a man has to pay for that choice and that's that's where the fundamental unfairness

05:54:17.480 comes in right yeah i do have to move it on but we have a chat here from little palins can you read

05:54:22.280 this liberal progressive men are more likely to have leaked homosexual tapes good conservative men

05:54:31.180 are literally just blocked and filtered out of dating apps before they even get to meet you

05:54:36.440 i don't know it wasn't like uh grinder um the uh grinder website like crashed when there was

05:54:44.760 conservative groups going into like cities wasn't that like a thing or is it am i wrong i'm gonna move

05:54:50.940 it on though um uh okay getting into the questionnaires would you rather cross paths with

05:54:55.800 men or bear i have to wait until i have to wait until she's back i'm gonna get into the different

05:55:00.900 notes here let me see what we have um okay hold on uh do we have a sienna that's you okay um let's see

05:55:10.280 here um uh hold on i'll go to someone else really quick uh oh alissa that's you right who's alissa

05:55:27.120 oh that's you uh your ex did what sent what to what oh lord chat this is a good story time okay

05:55:37.060 so i was with the guy for two years this is not my most recent ex um in the first year we were dating 0.94

05:55:45.540 he had accident accidentally sent a dick pic to my eldest sister on snapchat yeah it was an accident

05:55:54.520 quote-unquote so you know we were all cool um they had a streak that's this is back when snapchat was 0.92

05:56:00.260 cool so we all had streaks um is this fentanyl no no this is not this is somebody else okay was it

05:56:07.760 like meth x or do you have no no any of your other exes like drug addicts okay just checking it was 0.98

05:56:14.420 just the one yeah of course um so yeah he said he accidentally sent a dick pic to my sister on 1.00

05:56:20.460 snapchat he was just in the mirror it wasn't like a full like penis in hand it was like a mirror pic 0.99

05:56:26.560 when he had his towel wrapped around him allegedly and it was just a little peen like sticking out in

05:56:32.780 the picture so she told me obviously that this had happened and we had a little conversation about it 0.99

05:56:42.640 he said it was an accident so you know we laughed it off like never let this shit happen again 0.72

05:56:47.520 um and then that was that a year later now i live with him out of state and my other sister calls me and 0.94

05:56:54.540 says your man is weirding me out mind you she had not known about the first situation it was embarrassing

05:56:59.640 enough already i didn't want the whole family i have two two sisters i didn't want the whole family 0.97

05:57:03.340 to know oh my god he sent a dick pic to my eldest sister so the sister second sister calls me and says 1.00

05:57:10.380 your man is weirding me out and i say why at this point i'm staring him in the eye like why is she 0.99

05:57:15.840 telling me this right now and she said she woke up she was checking snapchat as usual and she's a dick 1.00

05:57:22.500 just popped up another one another day yeah well same day but no no same day and and he says that 0.97

05:57:30.000 this was an accident and swears up and down it was an accident maybe he was i don't think that's

05:57:37.320 something you can do twice i don't think so either unless he's just going on the road are you a middle

05:57:41.800 child are you a little child yeah yeah i saw that uh and so you have one younger sister one

05:57:48.400 no no no i have two older sisters and two younger brothers oh okay i thought you were in between the

05:57:53.200 two sisters okay um parents still together no okay wait so do you have steps yes my two older

05:58:01.120 sisters are half sisters i'm the eldest of my two youngest brothers we have so you're by your full

05:58:05.620 bio with the bro with the bros yeah full biologicals okay all right uh so 0.99

05:58:11.860 did after you guys broke up did he try to fuck your sisters no no he just accidentally sent it 1.00

05:58:20.160 you don't accident you don't accidentally send that's what i'm down the row there's no way you're 0.98

05:58:24.940 just clicking and if it was an accident then he was still doing it to multiple he was saying that

05:58:29.340 he should be more careful when he was gonna click it exactly instead of being like snap and sent

05:58:34.640 i'm like why is he snapping your sisters anyway

05:58:37.080 so we were all cool we all had snapchat snap snapchat streets does this infer by the way that he 0.84

05:58:44.140 often sent you dick pics no and that's the thing about it you didn't even get them i i didn't well 0.99

05:58:50.040 the dick was always with me so i didn't really how rude that's fair the dick the dick was already 1.00

05:58:54.600 she already had the dick she already had the dick but i still want to see it i miss it sometimes give 0.99

05:58:59.120 it to me who did he say he was accidentally i know he said he's accidentally sending him but who 0.99

05:59:03.680 was he claiming they were meant for that's the thing i asked the same thing i was like okay so 0.98

05:59:08.860 if you weren't sending my sister's dick pics who were you sending dick pics to but it was genuinely 0.99

05:59:13.860 he didn't mean to put his penis in the photo it's okay i didn't mean so what is he really didn't mean 0.99

05:59:22.060 to aim it down and be like the only this is what he said to me this that was what that was his claim 0.91

05:59:26.640 i left the only reason somebody would have that claim if it was madison's husband that's the only

05:59:32.820 reason that would be valid and that would make sense kind of large and always why didn't he just

05:59:36.900 be honest i don't know that's really wow oh my god i'm sorry it's okay did you really like him 0.98

05:59:44.780 i mean when i was in it yes but like after you send my sister's dick pics oh my god that's so 0.98

05:59:52.120 weird this is crazy my mom has a twin and my dad went on a date with my mom's twin first 0.98

05:59:58.260 whoa oh i thought like on accident there's a picture of my dad holding my mom's twin and my mom

06:00:07.040 on a date they went on a double date and my mom like getting held by some other guy it's not my dad

06:00:11.960 i mean the obvious question everybody's wondering right is like diddy diddy no no no

06:00:23.660 that's a big fail no i'm kidding i'm kidding i'm joking that's all the degeneracy i had in me

06:00:33.180 for the evening all right i just thought it was funny okay i thought it was funny so

06:00:38.180 uh we got two chats gianna if you want to read this one law paladins thank you man

06:00:44.160 it's not just child support women will be threatened and threatened with being cut off

06:00:49.440 from welfare like free insurance or wic if she doesn't tell the government who the father is

06:00:55.800 that is a good point very good point law paladins um there's kind of incentive there on that component

06:01:02.400 uh and if she even if she doesn't want child support if she goes and applies for those programs 0.99

06:01:11.080 welfare uh health care medicaid or whatever it's called um the government even if she's not trying 0.97

06:01:18.960 to get child support the government's gonna be like you got a kid you do okay we're going after

06:01:24.260 child support so um that is another concern thank you and then this one from law paladins

06:01:29.320 ladies get the heck off snapchat literally the only reason to have that app on your phone unless 1.00

06:01:35.020 you're trying to cheat literally no one no other reason and don't ever trust a man who has snapchat

06:01:41.280 too is that the the stigma with snapchat yeah especially when you're getting when you're out of high

06:01:46.680 school it's like at least for me now when i hear if a guy like actively uses it i'm like and then

06:01:52.100 asks me for it first i'm like it's just kind of a turnoff so i'm just like and we're also not

06:01:56.840 happy it's childish because on i want to go on i want to have at least their instagram so like i

06:02:01.180 can send them memes i get the get to know their humor we can just have conversation but they just

06:02:05.280 want to instantly just like send photos be like what you look like yeah uh alissa you said you think

06:02:11.740 women should prioritize individual growth over relationships especially young women yeah i feel

06:02:17.120 like you need to um work on yourself love yourself fully before you can love someone else yeah i agree

06:02:23.360 absolutely i agree okay uh you also perhaps this is gonna further establish how do you know when

06:02:30.100 you love yourself though just having a sense of confidence and being firm in who you are and

06:02:37.700 knowing what you can provide for the other person and how you can have a healthy foundation and

06:02:42.940 partnership okay uh you said dating is exhausting i'm not really looking for someone to provide for me

06:02:49.140 100 i don't need someone to pay all my bills and i personally don't put those expectations on men

06:02:54.160 aside from the first date i guess you're eventually looking for a partnership someone who is motivated and

06:03:01.240 passionate about their own personal growth and how we can come together to create a healthy foundation

06:03:07.160 oh okay that was poetic when you read it yeah you want to read it no um you said it's hard to find

06:03:18.800 people who are actively working on themselves or working towards something to benefit them in the

06:03:22.880 future and a lot of people lack emotional intelligence or honestly just intelligence in

06:03:28.300 general i don't need someone to pay uh all my bills oh okay i agree i agree yeah wait question would you guys

06:03:36.660 um would you prefer so you meet a guy who's like great guy whatever um and he's really financially

06:03:48.100 well off great paying job he makes enough where you will never have to work would you prefer that

06:03:56.100 over like you boss babying it up and like kind of both of you working at the same time and like

06:04:02.520 putting the kids but he wants you to like stay home take care of the kids whatever uh or you boss

06:04:08.800 babe it up and you have kids but you're gonna get like daycare or nanny we'll start with you then i'll 1.00

06:04:14.840 open it up to the rest i think um initially when i if i have a kid um it would be nice to stay at home

06:04:21.800 for a while and have a little bit of a grace period there but eventually i'm going to want to boss it

06:04:26.320 up and do my own thing i don't want to ever have to rely on a man 100 for anything um and you uh how

06:04:33.200 many kids do you want um not sure okay but so let's say it's two right okay so you said you'd want to

06:04:42.560 initially like how about until they're in kindergarten would you want to stay home for five years

06:04:46.280 well that's for one kid i guess five years seems like a lot well that's how long before they get

06:04:52.620 into kindergarten i guess that's true maybe i don't know i'm not there yet okay um

06:04:59.640 well if you were there like if you were think if you had to think about it

06:05:04.880 it would be nice right to have everything provided for you in those five years that you get to stay at

06:05:13.120 home and focus on your child and their development and their growth in the earliest stages of their

06:05:17.160 life that would be nice no but he's like look i want you to just stay home till they're adults

06:05:22.040 why are you guys why why are you guys laughing at that like if he's capable he's making a million

06:05:28.380 dollars a year what's the use in having you go out and earn 70k or whatever bullshit and then they

06:05:35.560 have to he has to hire like a maid or daycare and spend seventy thousand dollars a year on daycare

06:05:43.460 i think well it's important for a kid to be in environments with other children right yeah i mean

06:05:49.880 if they go to school sure but i mean there's private school there's homeschooling yeah what how

06:05:57.580 about he wants you to homeschool the kid no no i don't think so that's not very submissive of you

06:06:02.540 guys the husband says i want my children homeschooled i have the finances to be able to do

06:06:08.060 it i don't think so no i wouldn't want hold on i thought you guys i thought you guys were supposed

06:06:14.280 to be some i thought you guys were submissive uh i never said that oh you're not gonna be submissive

06:06:18.200 so your husband says i want the kids to be homeschooled i make a million dollars a year

06:06:23.180 you're gonna stay home and take care of the kids and homeschool them you're gonna say no i'm gonna say

06:06:27.860 really you'd rather you'd rather date a guy who makes 50k you make 50k and then you guys can be

06:06:33.220 all equal really you prefer that i would be okay with that over just to be clear you'd be you prefer

06:06:39.020 that over the guy who makes a million year they both treat you just the same well i guess the

06:06:44.000 treatment's different wants me to homeschool my kid oh his kid our kid our you're both your kid

06:06:49.840 his kid is crazy that sounds like a dream in my opinion it's both their kids yeah i would just you'd

06:06:56.780 rather just to be clear so and at this job at this job uh you could like for example you might work

06:07:04.200 wait hold on you're a massage therapist right so at this job you gotta lather up your hands with 1.00

06:07:08.580 that coconut oil whatever the fuck you do and then you gotta massage some like droopy motherfucker 1.00

06:07:14.820 you know like that skin man i don't know you got some old clientele maybe maybe maybe you're top 1.00

06:07:20.580 tier and you're working like athletes and shit who knows so you're you know doing the massage 0.88

06:07:25.760 what are you swedish what are you doing i can deep tissue yeah i can do deep tissue rolfing 0.97

06:07:30.060 you are you a rolfer no i do um both eastern and western modalities of massage that's beautiful um

06:07:35.440 so okay why just got hard there's modalities with there there's modalities there's there are

06:07:42.900 modalities yeah the hell is trigger point are you you do trigger point therapy i was taught trigger

06:07:48.360 point that's not that was never my focus i wasn't really into it but i could i know about it 0.99

06:07:54.460 yeah wait i have something for this hold on um oh shit where is it fuck where is the oh it's too 0.98

06:08:02.620 oh my god where you missed it 1.00

06:08:05.540 make my dick go soft all right so that was fucking so delayed um wait so hold on 1.00

06:08:13.100 you'd prefer boss babe boss babe you make 50k he makes 50k over dating a guy who makes a mill 1.00

06:08:22.660 and you never have to work a day in your life yeah that's just me though all women here are different 1.00

06:08:30.140 i'm i prefer i like i like working i like having goals work on the household work with the kids

06:08:35.460 all your attention can be on the kids it's a partnership the house will get taken care of by

06:08:40.200 both me and my mostly just you well no because i would want a partner who is also going to

06:08:46.720 be working in the home and doing things but so millionaire he frees up 45 40 hours

06:08:53.160 a week for you okay that 40 hours can be freed up for you to work 10 hours at home like laundry

06:09:02.600 doesn't take that much cleaning doesn't take that long like bro most girls like most women if you're 1.00

06:09:07.080 in a in a house you can get that shit done in like one or two hours and then you can kick it with 0.99

06:09:11.480 the kids i don't know put on fucking if you're homeschooling your kids have you sure if you're 1.00

06:09:16.280 homeschooling i was a nanny for four years eight hours a day you want a break from those kids so 0.99

06:09:22.360 yeah i'd rather work to be honest i love kids i love kids i love to be with them but yeah for

06:09:27.520 eight hours a day no damn what that's crazy you want to break from your own kids absolutely and so 0.99

06:09:33.860 would you everyone yes kids are fucking annoying what are you saying y'all crazy man i mean i don't know 1.00

06:09:40.960 you would want to break from your kids also daddy daddy daddy daddy daddy yeah it's annoying i did the 0.98

06:09:46.500 opposite i i couldn't wait to be able to stay home so i could see my kids more because

06:09:52.300 you don't spend 24 hours a day with them because you're at work what are you saying

06:09:56.840 i literally spent 24 hours a day with them it's the greatest thing ever and i would they're not

06:10:01.720 with you right now i would not trade it for anything it's the greatest thing in the world you know why

06:10:06.400 because by the time they're 18 years old i will have spent 90 of all the time i'll ever spend with

06:10:10.140 them in their lives i love that and then your child will lack personal skills i'm good the idea

06:10:14.680 the idea here is you that you would essentially prefer to outsource the caring of your children

06:10:21.240 to other people so that you can go work like that's the idea is that you would rather outsource

06:10:28.520 the mother yeah i also don't think that i can teach my kid everything like i think other

06:10:32.680 other personalities other people and stuff is good i think i'd like to spend most of the time with

06:10:37.440 them but like yeah for a few hours a day i can go work get away from mom come back hey a few hours

06:10:42.820 a day anyway right so first of all like think about it objectively okay your kids are going to go to

06:10:48.800 bed especially if they're little kids they're going to go to bed way earlier than you you already have

06:10:53.180 a couple hour break that's one two nobody's saying you can never go have a night out on the town with

06:10:57.640 a babysitter but there's a distinction there between that and saying okay i need to have eight hours a

06:11:04.340 day away from my kids because well after all i mean i was a nanny for a while and well you just

06:11:11.180 got to have that break it's like no you would want the opposite you would not want to outsource

06:11:15.640 the raising of your children to people who were not you why would you want to do that totally you 0.97

06:11:20.040 would not me okay i'm also not closed i'm not saying that i would need a break from my children i

06:11:25.480 think it's important for kids social development to be in environments like schools like you build a lot

06:11:30.740 of character in schools you learn social skills i mean there's so so so for so here's what all the

06:11:37.080 data shows one kids who are homeschooled do far in a way better than kids who go to public school

06:11:43.260 they have far they have far less stress and by the way they're plenty socialized and you know why

06:11:48.320 it's because all those after school curriculum activities uh all those kids can go to them why

06:11:53.940 because you the taxpayer pay for those extracurricular activities you do not have to be enrolled

06:11:58.780 in the school to go be on the football team or to go join the wrestling team or anything you don't

06:12:03.300 need to do any of that so any of those socialization things that you're talking about and by the way

06:12:08.260 how do you think do you think that people a few hundred years ago when there was no public school

06:12:13.200 and they lived hundreds of miles or not hundreds of miles but 10 15 miles away from each other or many

06:12:18.540 cases further than that they just were anti-social no i think they were just completely anti-social

06:12:23.980 lunatics the children they obviously clearly weren't no i think that back then um community

06:12:31.000 was prioritized in our society back then um and not as much now people are no no you couldn't walk

06:12:36.780 down the street to go to tommy's house because tommy lived five miles away because people lived in

06:12:41.380 homesteads and farms and things like that they usually saw a little tommy at various events or

06:12:46.900 perhaps a church once a week or something like this i don't see how they were getting all of this

06:12:51.840 socialization that you're talking about and they clearly were not anti-social people uh human

06:12:57.180 beings are pack animals they learn all their values from their family first but going out amongst the 1.00

06:13:02.140 pack you pick up social skills very quickly i would say that public school systems actually are a

06:13:06.980 corrupting factor one your kids are getting knowledge you have no direct idea about what they're being

06:13:12.800 taught zero you can't you can't you can't go in and sit in on all the classes and even if you could

06:13:19.220 you have no idea what they're being taught when you're not there uh as as far as the socialization

06:13:24.280 goes with other students who are there you have zero control over who they're hooking up with uh

06:13:28.940 over you know the party scene you have no control over any of that that seems like it's a way worse

06:13:33.520 idea than just homeschooling your kids and by the way when you're homeschooling your kids

06:13:38.180 they don't have to go to an eight-hour peewee prison every single day where they're locked

06:13:43.180 literally locked up in these classrooms for hours and hours and hours instead you can say okay two

06:13:49.520 hours a day three times a week and they get they're far more educated by the time they leave that system

06:13:54.140 than they are going to an eight-hour a day peewee prison like how much do you even remember from

06:13:58.080 high school yeah did you take history when was world war ii yeah well no here's here's a really basic

06:14:06.480 one here's a really basic one um really really simple the constitution of the united states 0.86

06:14:14.360 was ratified in the year 1776 not you not you good job way to fucking ruin it why why why is the 0.98

06:14:24.420 sisterhood just can't help it can't help okay pick another one there's lots of easy ones 0.96

06:14:29.420 what i'm saying my point is is that even with easy questions like this most people forget they

06:14:37.560 they forget because it's not pertinent knowledge to their life so almost everything that you learned

06:14:41.860 outside reading writing and arithmetic most kids get out of school they and by the way they can't even

06:14:47.040 read in an eighth grade level it's so bad they get out of high school can't even read in eighth grade

06:14:52.080 level so where's all these perks to public school i don't know i think that's a separate issue i think

06:14:56.900 there we definitely need to work on our schooling system our education system in general but i don't

06:15:02.460 think the idea of sending your kids to schools is inherently bad uh so i mean i guess my confusion

06:15:09.980 here really quick and then we've got to move it on uh so what kind of job like what job would you

06:15:17.460 like to get into i guess for the long term um i'm not set on anything potentially my own business

06:15:24.320 maybe massaging again maybe something in the holistic service realm i'm not sure how long did

06:15:30.040 you do the massage for previously um a year yeah did i mean did you ever just like deal like

06:15:36.680 with just annoying clients and shit like was it ever annoying for you like flaky people they they're late 0.98

06:15:42.820 to their appointments they cancel their appointments like last minute they no-show like any kind of shit 0.99

06:15:47.440 like this massage really stinky feet so that stinky feet okay cool so just be clear like and also 0.98

06:15:52.880 massage therapists i some people have like really good uh dexterity i don't know if dexterity is the

06:15:58.320 right word but uh some massage therapists like have to limit how much massage they give otherwise 1.00

06:16:02.840 they start like they're they start getting like rsi yeah or carpal tunnel syndrome this sort of thing

06:16:07.980 so like i mean um massage therapy is like pretty physically intensive you're standing up all day you're

06:16:14.400 looking over people like doing all the stuff people that you get like back stuff and all this kind of

06:16:18.440 shit but um you'd rather do massage therapy which is i mean physical labor to some degree 0.92

06:16:25.400 over just dating being with a man who makes a million dollars who frees you from your responsibility 0.99

06:16:33.560 of having the work um if it's what i want to do and i love massaging if i if i did i don't right now

06:16:42.080 currently but if i did love massaging and you don't seem all that passionate about it no i'm not at the

06:16:46.360 moment i'm i'll be very honest about that i'm not very passionate about that i like my job where

06:16:50.280 i'm at right now i'm learning a lot about business what are you doing um i do social media coordinating

06:16:54.520 for a press on nail company okay and you have to like go to an office for this okay and do you is

06:17:01.920 there a dress code do you have to dress the certain way no dress code not even like business casual or

06:17:06.560 okay and i mean uh do they dictate the hours that you work i work full time is it nine to five

06:17:14.500 yeah and they tell you when you can take lunch and when you can take an hour lunch yeah okay

06:17:18.560 i choose when i go so it's weird like final thing on this i guess we'll move it on but what's confusing

06:17:25.320 to me is that you guys want to be these boss babes you're so pressed to go work you've essentially 0.99

06:17:36.900 traded being submissive to your husband by being submissive to an employer well i also said i might want

06:17:42.580 to start my own business so then i would be like does your any of you here had a boss do you think

06:17:48.500 your boyfriend or husband is going to boss you around the same way that like your husband or

06:17:53.600 boyfriend is going to ever talk to you in that way like like be here at this time sit here for this

06:18:01.120 long wear this do this task you're fucking it up do it this way etc etc like you guys have traded 0.96

06:18:08.180 i wouldn't work in an environment like that i think i always just want to have my own i'm exaggerating 0.96

06:18:12.460 here but all that other shit is true show up at this time otherwise you're fired do this task 0.90

06:18:18.800 otherwise you're fired take this break from this time otherwise you're fired stay too long out at 0.97

06:18:25.120 lunch you're fired maybe they they're not gonna say that in that same way but that's the underlying

06:18:32.080 like okay if you're late for the job and you're not showing up you're gonna get fired

06:18:35.660 most do you think your husbands like are like that intense with it you got to do this task for

06:18:44.480 eight hours every single day you're submissive to your employer you're asking me to bow on the

06:18:50.680 first day that seems pretty intense i bet i bet if there was a job where you had to work at a 0.98

06:18:56.060 restaurant and greet people and be like well how are you like fucking these fast fast food jobs how's 0.94

06:19:02.660 your day going and you're fucking working retail having to be a greeter it's the same thing instead 0.97

06:19:09.680 you got to deal well actually in this case if you're a social media marketer for a nail press 0.96

06:19:14.020 company and you were to have a contact of a high level businessman who was from like oh i don't know

06:19:18.600 let's say japan and you were to arrange a meeting between the staff at your company and this japanese

06:19:23.980 person are you saying that when you went and met with them you wouldn't bow

06:19:27.020 you know that's a good question i might yeah for out of respect for his culture out of respect for

06:19:36.200 his culture you'll bow to a stranger i think that's just japanese culture though yeah right

06:19:42.480 i would do it out of respect is is that at the behest of of a man you're submitted to in this case

06:19:47.640 your boss if he asks you to bow to a complete stranger you'll do it as long as there's money

06:19:52.600 involved but the man taking care of you who also is utilizing said money he doesn't get the bow 0.98

06:19:59.460 fuck that guy it's just like the same girl who will work a brutal fast food job dealing with the 1.00

06:20:07.780 boss barking orders cleaning dirty dishes cleaning the bathroom dealing with all the shitty customers 1.00

06:20:12.360 and the all the physical labor that that sort of fast food job would entail standing on your feet 0.69

06:20:18.220 maybe you're involved in cleaning whatever it is for like 15 an hour 20 an hour but like if a guy

06:20:24.160 comes into the picture who has the money to support you wants a family wants kids make sure you never

06:20:31.860 have to work a day in your life you don't want to bow you don't want to cook you don't want to clean 0.98

06:20:38.600 you don't want to do the laundry maybe you'll do some of that shit right but it's just interesting to 0.98

06:20:42.500 me when it comes to a job you you're gonna be submissive to your boss trust me you're gonna 0.96

06:20:51.280 be submissive to your boss okay so it's just like you're saying y'all traded and i i would argue like

06:20:57.800 your husbands your boyfriends if you pick a good guy most guys are good guys they're gonna treat you 1.00

06:21:02.920 way better and ask way less of you than your fucking corporation that doesn't give a fuck about you 1.00

06:21:10.520 the minute that they make a determination that you're not worth it boom they're gonna fire you 0.99

06:21:16.200 i see what you're saying and at that point if i was in a situation like that where i'm with a

06:21:19.960 company that doesn't respect me fuck yeah pay all my bills absolutely i'd rather do that but i 0.89

06:21:24.800 personally want to do something where i'm learning i'm growing i'm getting better your kids your kids 0.67

06:21:31.880 i think it's nice to have your own money point blank how good how good would it feel to raise like

06:21:38.240 okay they go to school eight hours a day i'm like stressed uh-huh well wait i don't understand

06:21:44.980 this idea of your own money yep right when you say that so you're you're hedging your bets on failure

06:21:51.160 right no no i mean i think i think 50 i think 50 of marriages do end in divorce i would like to

06:21:58.740 if i walk away to not have absolutely nothing no skills no nothing and you're hedging your bets on

06:22:05.540 you're hedging your bets on failure what if he died what if my husband died or just protecting

06:22:10.280 yourself laid off sure i got this right from your job you're hedging your bet yes i said yes yes but

06:22:19.380 you gotta you gotta do that man hang on so then if a man were wanting to date you in a serious way

06:22:26.680 and he heard that you basically are hedging your bets against the fact that you're pretty pretty 0.98

06:22:32.280 convinced that the relationship is going to fail why the fuck would he ever want to get married to 0.97

06:22:36.800 you uh then don't i don't know it's not hedging your bets that it's going to fail you're protecting 0.99

06:22:42.320 yourself but just in case like paying your health insurance premium are you hedging your bets that

06:22:46.900 your health is going to i gotta move on yes like yes that's exactly what you're doing you might be

06:22:51.840 dumping hella money into your whole life and rarely use it you're you're getting health insurance the

06:22:58.180 expectation is that you're going to have health problems right you are hedging your bets against

06:23:01.940 the fact the likelihood that you have health problems at some point is highly highly highly

06:23:06.600 uh like so yes you're hedging your bet that's exactly what that's what insurance is it's literally

06:23:12.320 the idea of hedging your bet against catastrophe that's what it is i mean so no no no no no no alissa so

06:23:20.320 you want to do your massage business business or whatever i mean these concerns over like what if your 0.99

06:23:26.040 husband dies what if you get carpal tunnel syndrome what if you get rsi you're fucked then too i'll 0.99

06:23:32.380 find a new career sure find something else i love yeah well then you can just find a new husband then 1.00

06:23:36.660 i guess i don't know oh i could i probably could there you go all right all right um

06:23:41.780 bono smith donated two hundred dollars come on gentlemen respectfully reiterating jenna has a

06:23:50.420 flight to catch the runway related bookings if she wishes to stay that's her prerogative

06:23:55.360 her scheduled ride is leaving in 10 minutes oh okay that was 14 minutes ago so i guess you're 0.99

06:24:00.560 fucked jenna but uh yeah i don't know you there was no initial iterating so i don't know what you're 0.96

06:24:05.880 talking about unless there was like a super chat i missed there was no initial reiterating that would 0.95

06:24:12.160 imply that there was an initial iteration there was no iteration of anything so um all right let me i need

06:24:18.340 to power through the uh questionnaire here uh going around the table would you rather cross paths

06:24:22.120 with a man or a bear uh a man i am the bear uh-huh that's i saw that that's funny what about you

06:24:28.900 beer you prefer the bear okay beer yeah just for the sake of time here guys let's maybe a man not troll

06:24:36.580 a man man okay thousand percent a man all right a bear a bear a man uh in your answers to the bear

06:24:49.080 thing you said because i can uh stay in front of a bear and it'll go away eventually i meant like you

06:24:55.580 just stand still and then it goes away no have you encountered no i've just seen videos

06:25:00.360 have you seen the bear waving because yeah i was alone really quick really quick why do you pick

06:25:08.020 bear why don't you pick man why do you pick bear why don't you pick man all right i i chose bear

06:25:12.960 because if um i don't know i'd rather just get eaten alive i feel like the bear will eventually go 0.94

06:25:21.060 away and then the man will probably like do something to me in the woods or some shit 0.89

06:25:24.240 i'm gonna let this chat come in then we'll come back to this bono smith donated two hundred dollars

06:25:31.480 relay the messages to janna by midnight all legal actions may be necessary if she chooses to stay

06:25:38.300 allow her to state it publicly on air or communicate it with her iphone do you know is this like some

06:25:44.580 guy who's trolling or um do you know a bono smith um i do have a ride waiting um legal actions may

06:25:52.800 be necessary cool i can send me the cease and desist i'm ready send me send me send me the 0.97

06:25:58.480 fucking cease and desist is she saying that she's being held held against her will yeah she's being 0.96

06:26:02.820 held captive here yeah send send me the go ahead get your have your lawyer call me um all right so 0.99

06:26:08.600 uh let's see here um where were we uh the bear oh really quick why do you pick the bear why don't

06:26:16.300 you pick the man i feel like a man will do something to me in the woods versus um a bear it'll

06:26:21.260 eventually go away okay so you think like the man will say you basically is that the thing for you

06:26:25.640 like the man will say you yeah sure okay what what's the risk like what do you think the risk is of a

06:26:30.480 random man doing this literally i don't care about this question like what's the i mean it can happen

06:26:40.700 like what what percentage of men do you think because you're doing a risk assessment like oh okay i think

06:26:45.620 like 20 of men would do this so like i'm weighing the risks of like man versus bear um i'm not really

06:26:53.740 going numbers but i like it doesn't have 20 30 40 50 50 50 50 50 of men okay what about you

06:27:00.380 i don't like it's probably more likely that the bear i don't know i literally don't care about this

06:27:06.000 question sorry okay um so you think it's 50 percent see yeah yeah um do you have any brothers

06:27:14.240 i do a little one you have a father yeah uh male cousins yeah i do okay so 50 of your male family

06:27:20.020 members are um inclined to commit sex crimes i know some who have my brother not my dad no they don't

06:27:27.060 do that stuff but um yeah but your whole family like 50 my whole family no yeah your whole family

06:27:31.560 50 of the males in your family are essayers okay then fine 20 we'll lower okay now that we're throwing

06:27:38.620 your family under the bus i suppose no i know or your your family is somehow i guess better than

06:27:44.960 the rest of oh no they're not all right uh how tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you

06:27:51.860 would date i'm five nine and six foot is the minimum i would date five eight and five ten you're five

06:27:59.760 eight yeah okay what about you i'm five one so maybe five three like is the minimum sure

06:28:07.020 i'm like five nine and a half ish i'd say like six one you said six foot two here minimum well

06:28:13.240 like ideally six two but like how tall is your boyfriend six three six three okay uh what about

06:28:19.100 you five three no minimum you don't care no really no you'll date a 411 short king how tall was your 0.99

06:28:27.140 last boyfriend the fentanyl guy five six five six okay um what about the dick pic sender dick pic i 0.99

06:28:37.440 don't remember sister dick pic i don't know probably this is how i remember five six five six okay she 0.99

06:28:43.480 she is cool with a short king i guess what about you i love short kings how tall is your husband i guess 0.60

06:28:47.820 i am 510 my husband is 6 6 which i think is great and desirable and i would certainly prefer a tall guy

06:28:53.520 but i would never like exclude a guy from the dating pool just because he was below a certain

06:28:58.820 threshold but certainly we all have preferences okay what about you i'm 5'4 and i would prefer 5'10

06:29:05.400 okay i'm 5'8 and i would prefer like six foot six foot above all right uh that's uh interesting for

06:29:13.520 all of you guys uh and then what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband

06:29:17.960 um i mean i would say 100k a year i like that i was thinking like the average i want to be in

06:29:27.220 like the medium bracket you know what i mean like 100k is a lot is it i feel like that's like

06:29:32.240 the average minimum household number is it not

06:29:35.840 not like for like a single family okay i said 100k okay what about you 75k 75k what about you

06:29:46.300 80k 80k 80k okay 150k minimum minimum okay because if we have kids because i want them to go to

06:29:55.200 college if they want to oh okay all right um i don't have an exact number they just have to make

06:30:02.000 the same or more than me um preferably you said as much if not more than you okay so like but do you

06:30:10.280 want kids maybe undecided undecided okay i mean hey if you don't want to that's totally fine uh

06:30:17.700 minimum income i don't think there's a minimum as long as he's working and not sitting at home

06:30:23.920 playing video games all day with cheeto dust on his belly like he's working hard like that doesn't

06:30:28.560 matter i make my own money okay um um 60 70 it doesn't matter though okay gianna same or more than

06:30:36.480 me yeah but so give us a number um maybe 100 100k all right interesting you guys uh all right i didn't

06:30:46.740 really think about that question a ton i just compared it to i'm so i would kind of am i allowed

06:30:53.300 to like take it back in a way where i'm not really sure that if i i haven't looked into it enough or

06:30:57.460 really thought about it enough and so can i can i just pass on that you know like pass on explaining

06:31:04.280 that or anything please yeah if you want to reach retract it or change it because i'm not i i put

06:31:10.780 it down but i just it's financial stuff i'm not really not really sure right uh okay um let me see

06:31:20.540 here uh uh oh i'd also be willing to like struggle bus it with somebody for sure but i think the goal

06:31:28.440 of like trying to be financially stable means a lot to me like it doesn't like we can struggle together

06:31:32.400 but the goal has to be instilled of like being able to like put the kids through college if that's

06:31:36.440 what they want okay um i'm gonna get through the rest of the things here then in the questionnaire

06:31:42.520 uh this is for maya you disagreed uh the statement is not straight for a man to date a trans woman you

06:31:49.900 disagreed wait not straight i disagree wait i don't think yeah i don't think it's the straightest

06:31:57.240 thing ever i don't i don't think it's like super gay how about this it's uh it would be gay for a 0.69

06:32:01.500 man to date a trans woman agree or disagree i don't think it's the straightest thing but i don't 0.83

06:32:06.180 think it's like gay if she looks like a woman she has a vagina i don't think that's gay but i don't 1.00

06:32:10.640 think it's the straightest thing you know you know uh that's my answer so yeah there's nothing more 0.95

06:32:20.360 on it so is it straight or not straight i said my answer i don't know you don't know i said my

06:32:28.020 answer oh my god yeah i don't know isn't like no i didn't say i don't know for my answer i said i

06:32:33.620 don't think it's the straightest thing but i don't think it's gay that's my answer 1.00

06:32:38.600 you're saying the answer somewhere in the gray area so it's kind of gay yeah it's kind of gay

06:32:45.560 maybe a little i don't know i also agree it's like kind of gay i think it's kind of gay i don't

06:32:49.100 think it's super gay though i don't think it's as gay as dating a man i think she looks like a 0.98

06:32:53.300 woman she is a woman she has a vagina maybe who knows maybe boobs i don't know i don't think it's 1.00

06:32:58.400 100 gay okay what's just uh what's going on back there she coming she's staying or what's the 1.00

06:33:07.600 situation oh okay wait what what do you mean yeah yeah but your phone's not back there

06:33:30.400 no she should have put it with the other phones you you sure it's not in your purse

06:33:39.660 what color is it oh i didn't see it over there either is it

06:33:46.040 you can say it on the podcast after watching you des do you have uh morgan's number yeah can 0.66

06:33:56.740 you call her all right sorry guys fucking uh anyways um so master eight sure okay cool 0.98

06:34:09.020 all right i'll just move it on then uh let's see here we have 0.99

06:34:13.020 um uh alexis you disagree you can be racist towards white people

06:34:21.740 um i don't think you can be okay uh can you explain it i guess what's there to be racist

06:34:32.380 towards like what they just the most you could say is like i mean i'm not even gonna say i'm not i'm

06:34:39.200 not but there's really nothing you can be racist to them about like

06:34:44.520 like so what if what could you be racist towards a hispanic person about then

06:34:50.360 um people i mean i can't say the racial slurs but people are racist towards mexicans well i think

06:34:57.300 there's a difference between slurs and then also like like thinking somebody less because of their

06:35:02.680 race and i think that's kind of what racism is not totally but i think that's yeah if you just look

06:35:08.580 down i mean if you just think that your race is better than their race isn't that racism i guess

06:35:14.640 i think you can be prejudiced to white people i don't think you can be racist yeah i don't know

06:35:19.280 why that's okay well let me ask you this let's just grant that for a second is being prejudiced any

06:35:24.400 more moral than being racist both are wrong oh yeah so then if you just if you're prejudiced towards

06:35:30.780 white people then it's just as bad as being racist towards them right but there isn't a system

06:35:35.580 in place to oppress white people well there's not there's no what what system what system is in 0.97

06:35:43.280 place to oppress you um i'm privileged so there's nothing well are you white i'm half white yeah

06:35:51.380 okay so by that metric you'd still be minority right half yeah technically yeah so what systems

06:35:59.220 in place what system is in place to oppress any minority um well we just have

06:36:05.260 racial injustice in general for one and two this country was built off the backs of slaves 0.85

06:36:11.860 almost every country on planet earth was built on the backs of slaves including most of the 1.00

06:36:16.840 countries that the minorities come from right this second so what i don't know what that would have

06:36:21.140 to do with racism okay but still we still see racial injustice because of that in today's society

06:36:28.280 where um with lots of things bike like well this is a deep conversation i didn't think we're gonna

06:36:40.220 get into um it doesn't feel that deep he has this conversation every single like twice a week i don't

06:36:46.880 know i've never watched this podcast so i guess i just assumed because it's on the paper so i'm i assume

06:36:52.460 they have great arguments for this that they've researched a lot i don't know well there's a

06:36:57.040 reason like dei exists right because because it's bullshit that that's that's a that's a view to have

06:37:05.820 sure um but so i guess going back to you over here who did say um so and do you are you also on board 0.96

06:37:14.880 with the you can't be racist towards white people or i said that you can be prejudiced towards white

06:37:19.100 people white people i don't believe you could be racist why not um because um this country was

06:37:26.900 built off of white people or slaves and white people put all these laws in place can white people 0.67

06:37:34.420 be be uh racist towards asian people sure hispanics sure uh these people were not slaves though so i'm a

06:37:43.820 little confused you said because of slavery you can't be racist towards white people how does what

06:37:48.600 that have to do with like racism towards like vietnamese people for example i think it does

06:37:53.000 affect mostly black and brown communities

06:37:55.500 okay so your definition of racism is uh racism equals prejudice plus power

06:38:04.700 can you repeat that racism what's your definition of racism then if it can't apply to white people 0.88

06:38:12.500 um well racism exists because there is an oppressor white people who white people are oppressors 0.82

06:38:22.340 yeah okay uh and are you talking about just the usa or are you talking globally i'm talking about the 0.72

06:38:29.740 usa okay so like for example if uh there's a white person in um i'm trying to think of uh i don't know

06:38:39.280 nigeria would the local nigerians who are black would they can they be racist towards the white 0.83

06:38:47.260 person oh i've heard yeah i've heard yeah i've heard stories okay so yes you agree what about you 0.89

06:38:55.060 um unsure what do you mean unsure so nigeria which is like predominantly black they hold

06:39:03.340 the systemic power in the country black people hold the systemic power in nigeria okay i guess in that 0.64

06:39:08.440 case then oh and that using your even oh still i'm talking about in just the united states well i

06:39:12.980 think there's a difference between systematic racism and then just like racism no how about this

06:39:17.440 yeah i agree with what you're saying about the systematic racism so how about this um what about

06:39:23.200 here's a hypothetical uh barack obama he was president from uh from 2008 to 2016

06:39:32.220 2016 so he was president for eight years let's say that in this hypothetical scenario barack obama

06:39:40.820 he refused or he how about he refused to hire a white janitor because the janitor was white

06:39:47.840 and this white typically people are janitors are typically not like within a high strata when it comes to

06:39:54.900 social socioeconomic status so barack obama refuses to hire a white janitor because the janitor is white

06:40:02.140 is that racism i think he has a prejudice towards that white person but it so just to be clear okay

06:40:08.580 i'm using your definition which is racism equals prejudice plus power right in this scenario who

06:40:17.460 has more power barack obama or the white janitor 0.61

06:40:19.740 and it's not just he doesn't just have power he has systemic power too because the executive branch of

06:40:27.960 the united states government is a system in fact the united states is the most powerful country in the

06:40:32.080 world uh the executive branch like he he's he's the big honcho he's the boss so using this definition

06:40:40.140 would barack obama be racist in this situation in this example i don't think so you but i'm literally

06:40:49.300 you said okay so does he have power he does have power does he have systemic power yeah right okay is he

06:40:57.580 prejudice okay i'm literally meeting your definition which is racism equals prejudice plus power why aren't

06:41:07.500 you just conceding you just conceding you just can't say it is it oh never mind i shouldn't um

06:41:18.860 i don't understand i'm literally where's i'm literally using your definition okay that's fine

06:41:26.420 you can have your view i have mine it's no i'm using your view my view is that racism is

06:41:31.100 that there has to be no component of power for you to be racist are you discussing like the lack

06:41:38.020 of trauma that like white people have racially and yeah how's that relevant well how would that

06:41:42.040 be relevant i mean i'd i'd rather just have where yeah i'd rather hear her opinion yeah sure okay let's

06:41:49.520 hear it okay well my opinion is that this country isn't doesn't it prioritizes white people and it

06:41:57.000 always has and white people always just have the upper hand inherently well it's only prioritized 0.79

06:42:02.660 some white people to some white people which white people yeah some white people like for instance it

06:42:08.220 didn't prioritize the irish didn't prioritize the italians it didn't prioritize anybody from norway

06:42:13.480 who were considered to be lesser almost all the nordic nations all eastern bloc nations it didn't

06:42:19.080 prioritize any of them it basically only prioritized the english and the french but do they do they

06:42:24.360 experience racial injustice based on the color they most definitely did yeah they stopped the

06:42:28.760 color of the race the the injustices which were against the irish were absolutely incredible same

06:42:33.960 thing against the italians uh say well actually same essentially all all non french and british

06:42:41.160 people the injustices against them from with the french and british who were here were i mean insane 0.98

06:42:48.200 i mean they were they weren't even considered white in fact they went that they didn't even consider

06:42:52.600 them to be whites okay so i'm just kind of pointing out that uh if you say well it all is is just

06:43:02.280 applicable to white people it's like uh well well integration with whites really never actually fully

06:43:09.240 was realized so i mean that's why you still see um kind of like these ethnic pride groups who who celebrate

06:43:15.000 um in certain demographics irish history they have irish pubs they have italian sectors italian

06:43:22.440 quarters it was there was never a full integration uh even in uh in what you would consider white

06:43:29.320 society by whites like that that just never really completely would realize and still isn't to this 0.86

06:43:34.120 day so i have a question for you in today's society do you think you have white privilege

06:43:39.880 no no not at all no no what's the what's the privilege um well maybe not being in fear for your life

06:43:48.680 when you're being pulled over by police officers or if you're what about being in fear for your life

06:43:53.240 if you're going through a predominantly minority neighborhood who play knockout games with white

06:43:57.080 people that doesn't sound like much of a privilege also where is that happening well also as an asian

06:44:01.960 american this should there are still sundown towns there's still places where black people brown people 0.53

06:44:06.360 can't go because of racism yeah and there's lots and lots of places where it's not safe for white

06:44:12.120 people to go where there's a heavy minority set too so so like you're saying that but it's not

06:44:18.440 systematic well hey hey wait a second this is some privilege that you have it's like okay but the

06:44:24.520 counter to this is okay but if i go to a lot of these neighborhoods i will be uh targeted and attack

06:44:30.840 based on the color of my skin but it's not a privilege not systematic just like she said no

06:44:37.000 systematically yes yes it's not how is that systematically that is a purse that is a one

06:44:41.960 that is a group of people a small group of people that have any like when you say systematically you

06:44:47.000 would have to show me the system okay demonstrate for me any system so which which is only tailored

06:44:53.560 towards white people and against minorities well i think we were kind of discussing like even the

06:44:58.440 jail system and how she was mentioning now obviously no i'm well i i do want to gauge engage on that

06:45:03.640 really quick so you mentioned being in fear of your life when you're getting pulled over

06:45:10.040 so some people do have that yeah yeah so so what if i were to tell you that like using the same

06:45:15.480 metric of like the fear or the the actual um the actual outcome when it comes to police encounters

06:45:22.680 that the discrepancy between men and women when it comes to police encounters is something like

06:45:29.960 eightfold greater than the discrepancy between um between whites and blacks

06:45:38.280 so is this evidence that the police force is systematically sexist against men

06:45:45.240 potentially so here's another stat there are more white men killed by police officers

06:45:50.920 than women of all races combined including black women including hispanic women is this evidence that 0.67

06:45:57.240 the police force is systematically sexist against men don't men commit more crimes though yeah

06:46:05.000 you sure you sure you want to make this argument i mean i'm not sure hold on remember that if you're

06:46:09.080 making the argument you sure you want to make that argument i i am just okay is there a racial group

06:46:13.640 that commits more crimes white people i'm i would i'm not sure i'm just saying don't i mean you you

06:46:19.000 got to follow your logic to the to its end conclusion there was can i okay i'm obviously white and

06:46:25.160 i'm only kind of just learning about this topic um but there's also incentive back in the day

06:46:29.400 especially there was incentive after like slaves were liberated in america there was incentive to

06:46:34.120 imprisonate them because that's then free manual labor so then now continue like continuing in our

06:46:39.000 country like maybe not definitely not to the degree that it was back in the day currently but there is

06:46:43.960 incentive for imprisoning more people especially people that were imprisoning more people that do free

06:46:49.560 labor like there were more like black people in prison that do free labor in prison and like build 1.00

06:46:55.080 you know things and do things of that nature and then because of this now they're now labeled as

06:46:59.240 like um what's the word uh they like like a federal offense like what's the felony felony i'm not sure

06:47:04.840 you have the requisite knowledge on this topic i admitted that the second i started but just to pose

06:47:09.720 the topic we were also discussing this in class i'm currently taking history class once again i am white i don't

06:47:14.440 really know what i'm talking about but then also once you're a felon you can't can i finish huh

06:47:21.960 imprisonating that you can get manual labor out of imprisonating people and that was kind of like

06:47:28.520 especially i'm like i said not as much today but back in the day there was white prisoners too

06:47:33.640 so i'm not sure yeah but there's more there's a lot more i'm not saying like i'm not saying like

06:47:39.080 all cop cops are bad am i crazy but i'm just resonating a word it is now i've literally never

06:47:44.920 i've never heard it it's a word it's a word it's a word it's a word impersonating i could be wrong but

06:47:53.560 also i'm just saying incarcerating i think we've been here a long time the words get jumbied yeah so

06:48:01.480 yeah i mean again though i mean you're saying that this rate when it comes to police encounters it's way

06:48:08.120 higher in the black community but like we could just kind of shift this over to okay well it's

06:48:14.680 way higher between men versus women do you have anything to say for that so would that be female 0.97

06:48:20.280 privilege then yeah or can you just not concede on any point you just got to be like ah women are 1.00

06:48:28.120 oppressed and white people are the oppressor and men are the oppressor and there's a white privilege 0.64

06:48:34.520 and male privilege i think there's privilege for both of the sexes well hang on brian there's 0.94

06:48:38.840 disproportionate rates of of imprisonating people it's like you know you know how it goes

06:48:45.560 lots of imprisonation going on but again i i guess i'll do one more hypothetical and we'll

06:48:50.200 move on to the next thing but um i i guess i'm trying to figure out one scenario in which racism

06:48:55.320 can be towards white people um what about if there was a uh i guess even using your definition here um

06:49:05.960 there was an all black uh publicly traded company and they refused to hire white people would that be

06:49:15.080 racism no but i think that's wrong would it be racism if it was like all white uh a company like 0.96

06:49:23.320 the board of directors all white they just refused company policy to refuse to hire uh

06:49:27.720 black people would that be racist yes yeah but i'm confused here okay so like who has more power 0.97

06:49:33.320 like i'm gonna switch the like so let's go over to communism so like you have you have the uh 0.75

06:49:41.800 you have the oh my god sorry guys um who has more power the 0.98

06:49:47.720 the bourgeoisie or the proletariat oh my god sorry this is such a dumb argument 0.93

06:49:54.280 it is uh no but okay so you're discussing affirmative action i'm not discussing affirmative 0.91

06:49:59.480 action so um that's okay what you're hitting on so do you think like the work who has more power

06:50:04.680 like the people that control um sorry i don't even know where i'm fucking going 0.99

06:50:09.880 it's like the dumbest fucking communist fucking argument okay so uh so bourgeoisie has it right 1.00

06:50:18.680 the bourgeoisie or the proletariat uh so okay so um who has the means of who has the power the 1.00

06:50:26.200 people who control the means of production

06:50:31.000 or like the the lowly workers who are just like the laborers

06:50:34.600 who has the power okay i'm trying to be intersectional here but okay um i think it's a

06:50:43.080 little racist but like it's not a little right i don't understand it's racist i think we're trying

06:50:49.880 to head away from that in general there's a threshold for these things okay question how about this uh

06:50:55.720 group of hispanic men they beat up a white guy because he's white racist or just prejudice prejudice

06:51:04.520 and okay reverse group of white men beat up hispanic guy because uh they don't they don't like 0.79

06:51:13.320 because he's i think that stems from their racism okay how about this this is an interesting one a 0.96

06:51:18.520 group of asian people beat up a group of a one white guy because he's white racist or prejudice 0.87

06:51:27.480 a group of asians beat up one white guy prejudice same thing 0.91

06:51:31.320 what now to answer the the earlier question to this you asked me how would that be systemic if 0.93

06:51:38.600 you go to a neighborhood and people target you for your skin and beat you up and you're white well 0.80

06:51:43.720 this is how this is how it's systemic because if you teach people that uh only one group or segmented

06:51:51.880 group can be racist even if you do the exact same thing they're doing to you to you

06:51:57.240 uh then you're creating a system in place in which you make it okay for them to do those things because

06:52:03.000 they're considered less heinous it's a privileged group that's how it's systemic well if the country

06:52:09.720 wasn't built off the backs of these minorities then well it wasn't built off your back no it wasn't

06:52:16.280 and it wasn't built off anybody who's alive back right now everybody everybody who was here at the

06:52:21.320 foundation is dead all of them well not a single one of them is alive today's society and hang on

06:52:27.800 hang on hang on and the truth of the matter is is that in modernity it i i would love to see you and

06:52:35.480 anybody in fact point to examples of actual systems which are specifically targeting uh minorities

06:52:43.800 at the behest of whites i've never i've i see no evidence for this in society i just see a privileged

06:52:49.880 class who says i can beat up white people because they're white and that's not racist but if they

06:52:54.600 beat me up because i'm not white that is racist that creates a systemic uh problem which a system

06:53:01.560 is upholding to create a uh racial hatred towards a group in this case whites do you think uh in the

06:53:11.240 scenarios i described before should it be a hate crime though yeah if you okay harm anybody based

06:53:22.200 off the color of their skin this should be a hate crime should be a hate crime but it still wouldn't 0.86

06:53:25.640 be racism so when you say like prejudice versus racism is one worse than the other they're both equally

06:53:33.800 they're both bad there's just a system in place there's history okay so would you reject this

06:53:41.080 definition uh racism prejudice discrimination or antagonism by an individual community or institution

06:53:48.200 against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial group

06:53:52.440 or ethnic group you disagree with this definition then no keyword is institution no it said

06:53:59.320 or institution it's not and institution or institution okay the institution is not requisite because for

06:54:08.600 example like if on an individual can on an individual level you be racist can a white man be racist on

06:54:15.800 an individual level to a black person into the mic yeah yeah there's no institution there

06:54:21.720 it's an individual but it stems from the institution what institution the united states the united states

06:54:30.040 government 0.98

06:54:30.440 the united states government that was headed by a black man that super racist government do you think 0.98

06:54:44.280 america is like a white supremacist nation i think white supremacists exist in our nation yeah i'm sure 0.97

06:54:50.600 there's probably black supremacists too but do you think it's overall a white supremacist nation 0.93

06:54:56.280 i don't know about overall okay you mean the country that elected a black man to president for

06:55:03.960 two terms in a row back in 2008 even that's great it's really pretty racist country we're getting some

06:55:12.760 progress um i think people just kind of they feel they vibrate off the echo of racism like it's like

06:55:20.760 a reverberation throughout the generations and while i feel like we're doing better yeah with getting

06:55:27.080 rid of that it still echoes slightly through well then if that's the case then if the the idea is that

06:55:33.640 the cast is that because there's an echo which happens due to the fact that there was some type of

06:55:38.680 systemic oppression due to a group the whites would be suffering the same exact thing as the 0.70

06:55:43.640 barbary states kidnapped and enslaved them in the early part of our history non-stop it was one of the 1.00

06:55:48.840 most prolific and barbaric slave trades in the history of all of mankind so bad in fact that they 0.98

06:55:54.680 had to mobilize the united states navy in order to put them down with orders of mark and reprisal so if this

06:56:01.000 is the case that all you're looking at is the fact that heinous things can be done to a group and

06:56:05.800 because of that they become oppressed systematically over time then you'd have to apply that equally 0.75

06:56:10.200 to all groups i've never felt privileged in society just nobody gives a shit right nobody gives a 0.98

06:56:16.520 shit if brian says he doesn't feel privileged in society nobody gives a shit they only give a 0.98

06:56:21.480 shit when somebody who's not white says they don't feel privileged in society then suddenly people care 1.00

06:56:26.680 it's interesting how all the other voices get drowned out though isn't it really quick i'm going to 0.98

06:56:31.560 pull this up then we're going to let some of the messages come through can you pull that up

06:56:34.520 damien uh so just andrew referenced this the barbary slave trade involved the capture and

06:56:40.520 selling of european slaves at slave markets in largely independent almond barbary states

06:56:45.160 european slaves were captured by barbary pirates in slave raids on ships and by raids on coastal towns

06:56:50.760 from italy to ireland and the south southwest of britain as far north as iceland and into the eastern

06:56:57.320 mediterranean do they have dates on this as late was uh as late as the 18th century so this uh this

06:57:04.040 is post americans is it this happened post american slavery andrew yeah that is interesting um

06:57:14.120 so yeah well the same thing if you look up the oppression towards the irish uh which was uh which

06:57:20.920 was heinous the oppression well essentially the the founders really only considered this a nation

06:57:27.640 for western europeans that's where they came from they came from france they came from england they

06:57:31.720 didn't really come from anywhere else this idea that that even if there was a such thing as white

06:57:36.840 privilege it would be universal is insane even to this day people always forget about this all sorts 0.86

06:57:42.840 of white groups loathe each other they hate each other's guts here in michigan for instance the dutch

06:57:47.800 can't stand the irish and the irish can't stand the dutch they can't they hate each other because one's 0.80

06:57:52.360 catholic and the other one's protestant this this happens all over the u.s yeah there's no different by

06:57:57.960 the way than you'll see in hispanic communities where mexicans often will hate puerto ricans

06:58:03.640 puerto ricans will often hate cubans etc etc etc it's not like this idea of universalism oh because

06:58:10.680 you're white you benefit uh from the privilege of uh the fact that it was french and englishman

06:58:17.160 it came here's a way to group an identity together to attack it and it's always been that way

06:58:26.440 hail and well met lol paladins donated two hundred dollars and two cents needed to drop these two

06:58:33.880 bills because i'm sick of these women who have this bias against video games i make more than anyone at 1.00

06:58:39.880 the table cheetos are good and i'm tired of pretending they aren't yo he's got another one

06:58:46.200 coming in gianna i'm gonna have you read it once it comes in lol paladins thank you for the uh tts i

06:58:50.600 really appreciate it man really good to see you in the chat what level are you men are you are you

06:58:54.440 playing night slayer i don't know what do they play it's okay to do bad things against whites because

06:59:01.400 they control the money supply and because of what they did in the past she literally quotes hitler

06:59:08.440 and doesn't even realize that she is literally i mean her first name does start with a it is uh alissa

06:59:17.640 i feel like it's a little too early in the conversation to invoke godwin's law

06:59:23.800 that was kind of hitler-esque

06:59:28.280 do you have do you want to make a do you want to disavow being hitler sorry

06:59:34.440 no wait no 0.58

06:59:38.440 that's crazy bro she's like yeah bro yeah say what the play erica play erica player yeah okay 0.55

06:59:46.360 can you pull up erica here put uh read this john get erica going chair five do yourself a favor and

06:59:51.880 look up john cassor and his case you're being lied to by your professors yo dragon's talent thank you for

07:00:00.280 for the big super chat man really appreciate it you got erica for us

07:00:12.760 here put that on

07:00:15.240 it's world war one it's it's world war one

07:00:18.840 it doesn't match my outfit

07:00:19.880 it

07:00:38.600 okay you can pause it by the way it's world war one helmet not world war two so you don't have

07:00:42.680 anything you want to wear it gianna no it's it's world war one it's not that's a cool i'll put it

07:00:46.840 on even it's fine it's not like and the song playing had nothing to do with that either it's just

07:00:52.600 it's a it's a german marching song from that predates the national socialists okay um

07:01:00.360 good talk uh we have no we're caught up on the chats okay i'm gonna move it on

07:01:04.600 uh so a couple of you sir uh maya you said i don't know if we have time for the gender pay gap 0.99

07:01:10.840 conversation probably uh brian yeah i'm hitting at three i'm gonna send a raid over this way ladies 1.00

07:01:17.880 it was very nice to meet all of you i'm uh i'm three hours ahead over here on the east coast um

07:01:23.240 yeah no hard feelings in the conversation i'm taking any of it personally i'm always happy to have

07:01:27.720 them and i appreciate you guys coming on the panel this evening thanks have a good night

07:01:31.320 thank you putting up with me all right i appreciate it have a good night andrew we will uh carry on

07:01:36.840 with the uh stream and we're gonna get into some juicy stuff so the crucible head on over guys

07:01:41.320 appreciate it thank you thank you guys we got you all covered thank you thank you all right so uh

07:01:45.320 we're gonna skip over the gender wage gap conversation uh there was a circle to women 1.00

07:01:50.680 are not oppressed in the usa rogue you circled that maya you circled that

07:01:55.320 alyssa you circled that madison you circled that i should have andrew andrew stay for the last part

07:02:03.400 this last one here but uh so you guys think women are oppressed in the united states i think there's a 1.00

07:02:08.760 level of oppression i don't think it's as bad as a lot of other places but i feel like it's not

07:02:12.760 totally you know equal okay um i don't have any comment just skip me just skip me okay that's fair what about

07:02:23.000 uh uh no keely you did not circle that uh alissa you circled women are not oppressed in the usa

07:02:31.560 i think i agree with her stance that there are some form of oppression sure okay and then madison

07:02:36.280 you too i also agree that there are some forms of oppression i'm not saying overall in every way women

07:02:41.080 are oppressed in some ways they have privileges men don't but they are oppressed in some ways including

07:02:45.640 the gender pay gap which you don't want to talk about i mean just for the sake of time we do have to

07:02:51.080 skip over it but um what can you guys just cite to the ways in which women are oppressed um

07:02:59.720 i would say i don't pay and i'm going to skip over that um

07:03:07.960 i would i would say that women are more confined to try to fit into a box and when women like myself 1.00

07:03:14.840 try to not conform and try to be liberated in my own way i get a lot of pushback i feel like

07:03:23.240 men want to constantly put women in the kitchen and i feel like that's the oppression they want to

07:03:30.040 force us to do what they want us to do they want us to submit and not all women want how successful 0.99

07:03:34.760 are they at that well they're getting less successful aren't you currently in a relationship

07:03:39.480 with a man who has no expectations of that whatsoever yeah we're getting places yeah um

07:03:44.840 i mean couldn't this just equally be applied to men like if for example if i'm a guy and i want to be a

07:03:49.880 a stay-at-home house husband you you don't think i'm gonna face social shame from women 1.00

07:03:58.520 i don't think so much anymore maybe like 10 years yeah you think you think i'm gonna have good luck on

07:04:02.040 the in the dating field if i'm like yeah i don't really want to work you're gonna work and i'm

07:04:07.000 gonna stay at home you think i'm gonna like have good success finding a wife i feel like you could

07:04:12.280 but i mean it'd be difficult sorry it would be generally more difficult you guys can never engage

07:04:17.480 in like yeah i suppose it's possible i feel like you always want us to have the answer you want

07:04:22.280 you brought us on this podcast for our own yeah but it's not productive but it's just like not

07:04:27.240 productive to be like okay let me always cite to the outlier when i'm trying to argue against you

07:04:32.600 like i speak in generalities here like generally speaking like yes i might be able to find a woman 1.00

07:04:40.280 who's willing to provide everything pay pay for me the whole thing on the first date let me stay at

07:04:45.240 home and never have to work a day again it's it's possible is it probable i mean i guess the majority

07:04:50.440 of women know but i don't see a problem with it i don't i don't see a problem with it okay that's

07:04:57.560 right totally cool you i guess you would do it maybe i'm not even sure if you would be okay with

07:05:03.160 that kind of dynamic do you think i'm going to have success in the dating marketplace going into

07:05:09.800 it being like you're gonna pay for me on first dates i'm gonna stay at home i don't want to work

07:05:15.400 i'm gonna take care of the kids you genuinely think that like that's not going to be a major

07:05:19.160 issue for me when it comes to dating no that would be a major issue for you

07:05:22.120 or any guy pretty much yep okay cool right and this is like a social pressure that women apply to 1.00

07:05:30.440 men so it's like yeah we hold you guys to standards you guys hold us to standards

07:05:38.840 yeah so i don't think that's oppression though because a woman doesn't want to let me or isn't 1.00

07:05:45.000 willing to let me be a stay-at-home house husband i don't think that's oppression i don't think well

07:05:53.240 you just i asked you what are examples of how women are oppressed and you're like well like men have

07:05:57.320 these like kind of social standards for women well a lot of the things that have oppressed women have 0.92

07:06:04.120 sort of been weeded out like women can buy their own houses and they can own yeah they could always 0.95

07:06:09.000 credit cards and they can own things but yeah they can you know okay then i'm completely wrong women 1.00

07:06:14.680 have zero they're they're living the dream that you're completely right brian thank you i don't

07:06:19.720 know what the i'm talking about all right can i share an opinion i do i'm i kind of have to move

07:06:26.920 things on but you disagreed so how are women oppressed i hear what you're saying but i do think socially

07:06:32.440 socially socially when they're oppressed how so um well there's men who expect you to bow down for

07:06:38.840 them and fold um their laundry how would that be oppression i just feel like why why are we bowing

07:06:46.040 down to you who who are you why why why do i have to why do i have to work five hours to take you on a

07:06:53.800 date because you want to because that's you expect it though you expect it i would like that but and i

07:06:59.800 would like a woman to bow to me well you can have your preference and you can have your preference

07:07:04.040 too how is it oppression i think just bowing down in general is disrespectful how is it it's the most

07:07:11.320 respectful thing you can do overturn of role v wade yeah that too there is one that's well we'll come

07:07:18.680 to that in a bit but i thought you didn't want to be part of this conversation so um

07:07:22.280 um so a man wanting a woman to be submissive is oppression um for women who don't want to be

07:07:31.720 put in that position yeah i'm not forcing any woman to do it being submit submission is not something 1.00

07:07:36.520 that is taken it is something that is given but you place women who don't want to do that at a 1.00

07:07:42.360 on a lower pedestal yeah what's wrong with that what's actually wrong with that i feel like that's

07:07:46.200 a form of oppression how so just to be clear you're oppressing men that don't want to pay for first

07:07:51.240 dates no oh so it's only oppression when men do it like if a man holds a woman to a standard

07:07:58.200 that's oppression when women hold men to the standards sack up that's your job as a man that's 1.00

07:08:04.600 not depression no if he's willingly paying for our first date then no and she's willingly bowing 0.99

07:08:10.680 okay what's the issue i'm not forcing bitch fucking bow for me no but she should want in fact the more 1.00

07:08:18.200 she wants to do it and i don't even have to tell her anything the more attractive that is i don't 0.99

07:08:23.240 want to tell a girl to be submissive she wants to be submissive okay some submission is given not taken

07:08:31.480 but i think a majority of women in today's age don't agree with that in sure that's cool and i think men

07:08:39.080 who hold those values are are what apparently the oppressors how are they inherently the how does

07:08:45.080 that make you an oppressor because you want your girl to hit a bow why would that be oppressive i 0.90

07:08:51.720 think do you want a guy sorry go ahead go ahead no i just think it's can you scoot into the table so

07:08:57.080 you're closer to the mic um i just think that's just i don't know i actually don't know don't have an answer

07:09:03.640 okay

07:09:09.880 is there anything else so you said roe v wade um men's expectations on women is oppressive 0.85

07:09:15.880 but women's expectations on men is not oppressive um i think there's oppression on both sides i think

07:09:21.160 oh women can be oppressors i didn't know that was a thing like just using the right i'm maybe 1.00

07:09:27.960 privilege is the right word women have privilege in certain aspects so men are oppressors women are 1.00

07:09:32.360 oppressed i feel like men have the ultimate ability to oppress women because at any time

07:09:38.200 met like like um andrew always makes the comment at any time men can rise up and just put us all in

07:09:43.720 cages and like kill us or rape us or do whatever but they don't which would point to men's benevolence

07:09:49.880 not to their oppressive nature yeah but absolute power corrupts absolutely and men could have absolute 0.99

07:09:55.400 power why like men are benevolent

07:10:01.800 if men wanted to yes because of force doctrine they could be like okay we're walking back all of

07:10:06.760 women's rights but they could do that no they're not with roe v wade being overturned that have okay

07:10:13.320 hold on a couple things here so when it comes to roe v wade right it got kicked back to the states but if

07:10:19.160 it's to the states then does that even make it a right because the state gets one state gets to

07:10:23.640 choose that i have bodily autonomy but the other one doesn't it's not a right if somebody gets to

07:10:27.480 still choose whether or not i have the right to my own body yeah but what does this have to do so when

07:10:31.160 it comes to women's rights we're making a comparison between men and women like here's a right that men 0.51

07:10:36.360 have that women don't we want equality between men and women men don't have any reproductive rights at

07:10:43.000 all so actually actually if you guys are in favor of equality show of hands who's in favor of equality

07:10:48.760 okay okay here's equality for you men have no reproductive rights here's equality nationwide 0.90

07:10:55.560 abortion ban that's equality yeah but there are no laws against a man's reproductive system

07:11:03.960 name one law against a man child support uh not excuse me not alimony child support just child support

07:11:10.600 how about this a man who is essayed by a woman and she gets pregnant he has to pay his uh assaulter

07:11:21.320 child support i don't know did you just say good well yeah why did he assault he assaulted her right 0.99

07:11:28.680 no oh my god she assaulted him she assaulted him she gets pregnant oh never mind yeah she just said 1.00

07:11:35.720 good to that she didn't mean she assaults him yeah it's fine whatever she misheard she assaults him 0.99

07:11:41.960 he has to pay child support

07:11:45.320 i mean so you want equality then you should just make it where men can opt out if a woman gets

07:11:49.400 pregnant yeah but that's never gonna happen so women can't uh men can't opt out of the child support 1.00

07:11:54.760 system well then maybe that's something you guys should be fighting for i mean there are men's rights

07:11:59.000 activists that are fighting for precisely that thing then it would be equal a woman can choose to have 1.00

07:12:04.440 a baby if she wants to and the man can decide whether or not he wants to sign his that would 0.99

07:12:08.120 i suppose that would be a form of equality to some degree women maintain or retain their rights to 0.99

07:12:13.400 abortion and men can uh if they want they can revoke their rights it's called like a parental there's a

07:12:22.120 specific term for it um legal paternal surrender so the guy can just legally okay i don't want anything

07:12:29.160 to do with you know i don't know i i can't you can't look at us brian solving the world's problems

07:12:33.720 together yeah that's not politically tenable it's never gonna happen so true like so it's a little

07:12:39.560 what like okay then you have to be sorry go ahead go ahead sad what is sad it's a little sad so is

07:12:47.720 abortion sad yes oh okay well at least you're consistent i guess but i'm not saying it's bad 0.97

07:12:52.760 but it's sad as fuck but it's not bad why is it i mean but okay woman wants to get an abortion because 1.00

07:12:59.880 she's not financially ready it's sad she's but she's able to like murder her child it's 1.00

07:13:04.600 fuck it's sad it's really it's like takes a serious emotional toll on people sure um again 0.99

07:13:10.840 though the this whole roe v wade thing like actual equality between men and women on this issue would 0.99

07:13:15.560 be a nationwide abortion ban i don't think that's equality though that would be equality men don't

07:13:21.800 have a say once the woman's pregnant men don't have any reproductive rights so if equality equality 0.91

07:13:29.320 would dictate that you have to walk back abortion completely there's more that goes into it than 0.99

07:13:34.520 just reproductive rights not only that like you're you're not just putting the okay so men have to do 0.97

07:13:39.320 the physical the physical and um financial support of the man but you're creating a world where women 1.00

07:13:47.720 are forced into a medical condition being pregnant is a medical condition and it comes with a lot of

07:13:53.400 things people can get uh gestational diabetes they can end up dying like it's pregnancy isn't just a 0.57

07:14:00.680 easy thing that every woman can just pop out a baby like a lot of women you know suffer tremendously 1.00

07:14:06.280 either that being death or trauma postpartum like there's there's lots of things that go into that so

07:14:11.720 i feel like yeah they're absent essay women are not forced to get pregnant yeah but i'm saying that

07:14:19.480 accidents do happen and the majority of women who get abortions too already have kids and they're 1.00

07:14:24.520 already in marriages and they can't handle another kid and usually the husband's fine with it anyway so

07:14:29.640 i feel like it should be a right yeah but we were talking about women's oppression right and so

07:14:36.520 typically oppression you're making like a comparison between men and women oh men have this benefit 0.78

07:14:41.640 that women don't right so i'm not sure how the abortion component like men don't have any 0.99

07:14:49.960 reproductive rights whatsoever so it would occur to me that like equalizing it would either require

07:14:55.640 legal paternal surrender which is never going to happen it's not politically uh tenable whatsoever

07:15:03.080 uh there's not one singular politician who's a men's rights activist most politicians are feminist 0.92

07:15:09.480 so that's just off the table immediately so if we're going to equalize here you'd just have to

07:15:14.680 walk back abortion rights completely for there to be equality but you guys are not open to that sort 0.62

07:15:19.880 of equality so i don't know i just i personally don't feel like that's equality i feel like that's a

07:15:26.360 little step further than that i don't i don't i still feel like the oppression in that case would be

07:15:32.600 on the woman because you know a guy could still run off and not pay child support for a couple of

07:15:37.000 years or or not get a good job just so he didn't have to pay a ton of child support or try to get

07:15:42.280 paid all in cash so he can't put it in child support like there's lots of ways to kind of get to finagle

07:15:47.240 and go around it but i the the burden is not physically on the woman she the burden's on

07:15:53.480 her raising the children yeah the burden's physically on the men too

07:15:59.160 if you have to if you have to work a job and they're going to take like 20 30 percent of your

07:16:03.480 paycheck that's 20 to 30 percent of your labor yeah but it's you act like the woman's not paying for 1.00

07:16:09.560 anything either no she is yeah it's so it's so if she's also paying yeah but she's if she's also

07:16:15.320 paying financially into this kid the guy has to pay financially into this kid then that's still kind

07:16:20.440 of an equal thing but having to put a woman through a medical condition that's the step further put 0.99

07:16:25.880 through i mean like the same arguments that you know oh the guy should have made this decision before

07:16:31.160 coming inside the woman or whatever like those same arguments can be made towards the woman if you

07:16:35.960 if you didn't want to pay child support you should have thought that should have kept your legs

07:16:38.680 closed whatever in any case i'm not i don't really find this a compelling argument when it comes to

07:16:45.400 women's oppression so um because i already just totally there's a disconnect here when it comes 1.00

07:16:51.800 to because oppression has to do with like a differential of treatment between men and women

07:16:57.160 uh so because this is there's not total symmetry here i don't really find it compelling

07:17:03.240 societally you say there's oppression of women so besides the abortion thing 1.00

07:17:07.560 can you prevent uh could you provide to me an example of women being oppressed

07:17:13.320 i mean we're gonna skip over it but pay like that's still a thing no it's not it's been debunked

07:17:19.880 okay there's no gender it's literally on the federal government government's website that it is a thing

07:17:25.400 yeah that's i mean that you mean the biden administration yeah that's fake news

07:17:29.560 march 12th is the day nationally honor that because that's the difference in pay a woman would have to work 1.00

07:17:35.240 all the way through march 12th to get the same pay that the other guy would for just 2023 okay one year

07:17:45.160 and also women even if they are working and the man is you in that seat if you want to take that seat 1.00

07:17:52.280 and they have a family together oftentimes the majority of the domestic work is still expected to

07:17:58.200 be done by the woman even though they're both working full-time jobs so yeah that's kind of kind

07:18:05.080 of fake news no it's not i mean we could pull up infographics that have told i mean the gender pay

07:18:11.320 gap has been told explain to me what the gender pay gap is that for every dollar a man makes a woman on 1.00

07:18:17.720 average not always but on average for the same job will make eighty percent roughly of what a man makes

07:18:24.840 oh for this for the same job correct no here's the gender here's the uncontrolled gender pay gap which 1.00

07:18:32.040 is the number you're citing to the uncontrolled gender pay gap is without factoring in for hours

07:18:38.520 worked type of job you're just comparing all men to all women and you're just comparing the money that

07:18:46.120 they make there's no like delineation when it comes to again hours worked type of job academic credentials

07:18:54.600 any of this sort of thing it's just comparing men to women when you start controlling for the there's 0.67

07:19:00.360 like over a dozen different factors that you can control for it goes down to it's 99 cents

07:19:08.920 to the dollar if you control it's not here pull up uh find the pay scale infographic in fact in fact

07:19:17.560 when it comes to uh for example asian women asian women out earn white men 0.97

07:19:29.160 yeah they be hustling though so i mean there's just a bit of confusion here when it comes to the

07:19:35.640 gender pay gap okay so here damien here's where you're gonna go dropbox podcast infographics wage okay

07:19:40.600 can you find it um wait how long has this red thing been here the whole time yeah you gotta be 0.97

07:19:52.360 fucking kidding me oh my god no why is mine 0.93

07:20:00.040 can you can you read this from little paladins the marine corp 0.98

07:20:04.760 lyrics are about the marine okay go ahead read it the marine the marine corp lyrics are about the

07:20:16.600 marines protecting us from mexican invasion of as well as saving whites from slavery in north 0.72

07:20:24.280 africa this is not ancient history not that long ago uh lol paladins i appreciate the message man thank

07:20:30.920 you we have uh well that's below the threshold thank you sabbath i do appreciate the uh message uh do you

07:20:36.280 have it pulled up uh no here i'll just i'm gonna send it to you one sec all right one sec

07:20:49.240 private chat i'm gonna read the super chat here daniel harman oppression prolonged cruel or unjust

07:20:56.680 treatment the ladies need a dictionary prolonged cruel or unjust treatment 1.00

07:21:02.600 wanting a girl to bow is oppression fyi but wanting a guy to open the car door and be chivalrous

07:21:10.440 and like do a million different things to impress you is not

07:21:16.360 because bowing isn't really part of our culture that's more like acting like you're their servant than

07:21:20.360 their lover

07:21:21.000 so like this whole thing when it comes to like expectations only goes one way is it just shocking

07:21:29.240 to you to like ever hear a man like have expectations for women women i know most of 0.90

07:21:33.400 you deal with men who are just happy for some pussy but like actual men who have expectations beyond just 0.99

07:21:40.200 sex i think is shocking to a lot of you i find that interesting i rather make my man like a drink when 0.99

07:21:45.640 he comes in like the old 1950s and bow to him i feel like that takes more effort but it's just out

07:21:50.520 do you think uh asian women in like asian countries where like the asian women are bound to men do you

07:21:54.600 think that's oppression no it's part of their culture that's fine and the other example was like

07:21:58.920 making a meal for a man on the first date like i enjoy cooking i would think that was a sign of

07:22:03.640 showing that you care about someone i don't think that's oppressive but i don't enjoy doing laundry

07:22:07.720 or bowing to people so then that's making me like serve you like i'm well i don't enjoy like do you

07:22:12.920 think men enjoy doing all these things for women or do they do it because that's what's required to 0.94

07:22:17.720 get women i think some of them do enjoy being a gentleman actually i think some of them do it

07:22:23.000 because that's what's expected and they want some so is it a fair proposition that women can enjoy 1.00

07:22:27.880 being submissive sure okay so what's the problem with the bow then if they want to do it that's fine

07:22:33.480 i'm just telling you why i wouldn't do it and why a lot of other women wouldn't do it sure you can 1.00

07:22:37.080 well you can think it's weird or odd but i don't know if you can define that as oppressive

07:22:43.480 if the woman who's doing it is fully willingly then yeah that's not oppression but to like 0.99

07:22:48.600 expect that of all women would be oppressive well i i don't know if it's the expecting it of all 0.98

07:22:56.680 women but if my expectation is is that this is what i would want how would that be oppression 1.00

07:23:04.600 doing it consenting then yeah it's not oppressive okay uh thank you daniel harman for the uh

07:23:11.320 super chat appreciate you have it pulled up all right so this is from a website called pay scale

07:23:16.680 which is left leaning the uncontrolled gender pay gap this opportunity pay gap measures median

07:23:22.600 salary for all men and all women so that's this often cited you said 80 cents on the dollar uh this

07:23:29.240 they say in this one this is 82 women earn 82 cents for every one dollar earned the controlled gender 0.98

07:23:34.760 pay gap this measure measures median salary for men and women with the same job and qualifications

07:23:40.600 women earn 99 cents for every one dollar earned by men okay but i mean it's still until it's 99 and 99 0.76

07:23:47.720 or 100 and 100 it's still a pay gap well how about this when it comes to the gender pay gap 0.92

07:23:54.440 um you expect a guy to pay for the first date i think you said you want a guy to pay for the first

07:24:00.200 date i forgot who else said here wouldn't the gender pay gap and there's actually plenty of 1.00

07:24:04.920 arguments totally debunking it the gender pay gap exists because of a uh um dating pressure that women 1.00

07:24:14.440 put on men that's an interesting take on that well i would argue when it comes to dating right uh

07:24:23.560 somebody wanting to find a partner is like one of the most important things in life people put a lot of

07:24:29.640 time a lot of effort when it comes to dating if not all women but i i want to say 51 of women a 0.96

07:24:38.040 majority of women want men to pay for first dates if men don't pay for first dates they're less likely 1.00

07:24:43.480 to get a second date they're less likely to have a successful date with that girl whatever

07:24:47.960 you yourselves are putting a social pressure on men to make money this social pressure does not exist in

07:24:55.720 the opposite direction so and i have plenty of arguments when it comes to the wage gap thing

07:25:01.160 your own conduct and your own expectations of men is causing the gender pay gap i've thought about 1.00

07:25:08.200 that before i feel like i've seen like men support entire families for years and years and years to come

07:25:14.680 and it's like i'm not supporting the pay gap at all but what i'm saying is like it does

07:25:18.280 like it doesn't go um on majority of the time it doesn't go unbalanced like usually women for years 1.00

07:25:26.600 and years and generations and generations are financially supported by men not saying currently

07:25:32.280 but i'm so i'm kind of like i'm saying like i've seen your point before that point has been brought up

07:25:36.680 before but even if i put aside every single other argument i have when it comes to the wage gap for

07:25:42.840 example men they're in different fields they're more likely to relocate they're more likely to work

07:25:49.160 a dangerous job which is going to pay more they're more likely to they're more likely to move to bum 0.99

07:25:55.000 fuck nowhere for higher pay they'll move to a hundred person shitty fucking town for the pay right 1.00

07:26:01.000 they're going to do all this shit they're going to work a dangerous job uh there's all kinds of other 1.00

07:26:05.480 gaps related to work you know for example men are more likely to be injured on the job men are more 0.99

07:26:11.000 likely to die on the job men are more likely to be fall to their death on the job you look at iron

07:26:16.520 workers these men who are building these massive buildings you ever seen these videos these guys 0.97

07:26:21.160 don't even have safety fucking harnesses they're just up on the building they could fall 100 200 300 0.98

07:26:27.000 feet to their death there's not a lot of women wanting those opportunities the reality is men are 0.98

07:26:31.880 involved in a bunch of fields that just happen to pay more a lot of y'all aren't willing to do those 0.99

07:26:36.760 dangerous dirty jobs that pay a lot they'll go on the fucking uh they'll they'll go what's it called 0.98

07:26:42.440 the an oil rig for three months y'all aren't willing to do that a lot of women are held back in their 1.00

07:26:50.120 careers though because once the family unit has been started and there's children at play 99 of the time

07:26:55.320 we're not 99 i'm just being exaggerating here but much of the time if the kid has to go home from

07:27:02.120 school sick or whatever whatever the issue is with child care it lands on the mom more often than not

07:27:07.320 which does hold them back in their career while the husband just gets to keep working hard and

07:27:11.480 showing the ceos how amazing he is and get that pay raise sure look i mean there are actually the a

07:27:17.880 female i don't know if it was a female economist she actually recently won the uh what was it a female 1.00

07:27:23.880 a female economist won the what's that like a word that award uh nobel yeah nobel peace prize well 1.00

07:27:35.160 no it wasn't the nobel peace prize she won the nobel i think in economics and it like the the whole way

07:27:41.160 uh difference in pay between men and women ultimately comes down to women choosing to have families and have 0.97

07:27:46.520 children and there's just there's just the reality of that is pretty much the primary factor here

07:27:56.040 can you pull up the discord and pull up the men at work tab really quick and then uh but also really

07:28:02.280 quick like look if organizations could get away with paying women less one it's been legislated against 1.00

07:28:08.760 since the 1960s it's if you can prove that your employer is paying you less you can file a lawsuit

07:28:15.640 and you can get a substantial payout from that uh the reality is if you could actually pay women

07:28:22.360 less a corporation's motivation is to make money if it was actually true that you could get away

07:28:28.120 with paying women less these corporations would just hire women and just pay them less the reality 1.00

07:28:32.520 is it's just not true like why aren't these business businesses just like oh i can save 30 on

07:28:38.920 labor costs let me just hire women can you pull up the discord well then that wouldn't that be 1.00

07:28:43.480 discrimination men at men at work just start it from the top uh i've accrued a whole bunch of videos

07:28:51.880 here um you're gonna spend five seconds on just uh play that one the second one on that one yeah just

07:28:59.960 click it all right here's a dude at the top of the burj khalifa doing maintenance on the burj khalifa

07:29:07.000 i don't know if i'm saying that right but tallest building in the world yeah women are not dying to go 1.00

07:29:12.200 do this job x out of it next are your palms getting sweaty uh play that uh uh scroll down

07:29:19.000 to the iron workers play that first one the big one all right women are not dying to go and stand on 1.00

07:29:28.520 top of buildings and be iron workers and get their thumbs crushed by um steel beams all right exile that 0.96

07:29:37.000 that firefighter uh you guys know about firefighters scroll down oh the line workers one's really

07:29:43.800 interesting play that big one this isn't the somewhere in i don't know if this is china it's

07:29:49.480 fucking snowing crazy oh my god and that's like hundred uh that's really high up next okay there's um

07:29:59.560 play that first one for the ocean workers uh you guys want to be out there for six weeks at a time 0.98

07:30:08.280 okay cool next uh scroll down we'll do the rough next super quick oh i couldn't do the bug one i can

07:30:17.000 do all the other ones i couldn't actually exile this this one takes a while to get to it um

07:30:23.080 or just skip forward a little bit it's a short clip or no actually just play the bug one full screen

07:30:27.320 go full screen go full screen oh no that's where i draw the line right there is the bugs oh my god

07:30:38.520 that's a man i'd make a sandwich for

07:30:42.440 and then this one this is kind of related these guys go full screen yeah no safety harness they're

07:30:47.880 just this in america though is this like no it's a different country so they're still 0.95

07:30:52.840 man right they're still man look at these guys are fucking legends dude w they are oh my goodness 0.94

07:31:00.360 oh yeah no harnesses they're just chilling and it's just that we were talking about the united states 0.97

07:31:08.120 i mean but met yeah i mean all those other ones like the roughnecks that was in the united states 0.98

07:31:13.480 um there was uh the guy the iron workers that's we still need men to like build

07:31:21.400 comfortable skyscrapers or whatever the for you guys to uh enjoy so i think it should be talked

07:31:27.000 about more and that there should be more i think respect given to like the fact that these men do these

07:31:35.240 jobs that are i mean that could even be deadly i think that it's not talked about enough i mean

07:31:40.920 mad respect to them for sure for sure the more men do take on those very dangerous jobs and they

07:31:46.040 do deserve respect for that but women also take on the very dangerous role of potentially risking 1.00

07:31:50.760 their life during childbirth but they potentially risk their life working there perhaps this could

07:31:55.640 have been like true back in the day when like the chance of uh well there's what's the term for uh

07:32:03.160 the mortality rate for like pregnancy uh health care has gone like a very long way the chance of

07:32:11.560 woman dying from giving birth is like exceptionally low it still does happen but it's like super low

07:32:17.160 uh and also even back then there was still a bigger burden on women because the infant mortality rate 1.00

07:32:23.320 was like 50 percent so women were expected to have like eight nine ten kids sometimes even more 1.00

07:32:29.480 because half your kids died now it's like what you're gonna have two kids 1.9 kids or whatever

07:32:39.000 the what's the average birth rate for women i mean it's like yeah okay the the expectations on women is 1.00

07:32:45.240 way less now so and sure guys work more dangerous jobs and like i said they deserve respect for that but

07:32:50.600 when we're talking about the same job like i brought up earlier um i mean my statistics are a little outdated

07:32:56.760 because i've been out of school for a while but when i was in school they said that sure women 1.00

07:33:01.800 have some privilege because they are more likely to get hired in this profession but when a man is

07:33:06.520 hired he will on average make more money than the female counterpart that's again why i'm saying 0.93

07:33:11.640 sure women have some privileges that men don't but then men also do as well so we have to acknowledge

07:33:17.320 both it's not just well yeah yeah look i mean there's all kinds of gaps in life again i don't even

07:33:23.240 really think looking at the controlled gender pay gap when you're comparing like women in the same

07:33:29.160 job field doing the same job it it shrinks down to uh down to that uh one cent whereas you have like

07:33:39.880 how about here's a way bigger gap i think it's like 93 of workplace deaths or it's like 93 of workplace

07:33:47.800 injuries are uh are men 98 of workplace deaths are men i mean that seems like a pretty terrible like

07:33:55.720 would you i'd rather make 80 cents less if it meant i didn't have to die potentially when i'm working a job

07:34:05.320 men die five years sooner there's all kinds of gaps that's terrible

07:34:10.760 so is that evidence of oppression though how about the the how about the uh military conscription gap

07:34:22.440 do you think women should be drafted sure yes okay you guys are in favor you're in favor 0.98

07:34:27.640 should women be forced into should we take away women's bodily autonomy and force them to be soldiers 1.00

07:34:34.600 in the event of a war i mean i feel like women already have stepped up during wars like they've 0.98

07:34:41.400 taken over all the fat dangerous factory jobs that the men couldn't do and making all the steel that

07:34:45.720 the men couldn't make and all the bullets yeah rosie the riveter world war ii let me ask you what worse

07:34:50.680 uh okay uh being in a trench in like the french countryside with germans shooting at you and sending uh

07:35:01.400 artillery shells and you get impaled in the face and your entire you're literally uh your your half

07:35:08.760 your face just instantly gets vaporized or woman laboring voluntarily no i i agree with you that women 1.00

07:35:18.440 should get drafted and i do agree that i have to hold on so do you have the things by the way hold on i got

07:35:26.360 up uh we're gonna show these things uh okay show me the world war ii women oppressed okay um go ahead

07:35:34.440 pull up the first one the world according to a feminist uh can you make us smaller i guess that 1.00

07:35:43.480 works too you can just write small the world according to a feminist yeah uh yeah it's actually eight out

07:35:54.360 of ten homeless people are male um so just curious i think a couple of you said uh women are oppressed

07:36:01.320 just curious in this photo um who's oppressed the man or is the man the oppressor not in this scenario

07:36:10.760 no oh okay um yeah and then the other one

07:36:14.840 who just just curious like um what this guy who's like crouching on the ground working on the manhole

07:36:26.600 and these women who look to be like uh middle class upper middle class like dressed very nicely whatever 1.00

07:36:33.800 um their poor shoes are getting a little dirty it looks a little dirty there uh who's who's worse

07:36:40.680 off in this scenario yeah but that guy's getting paid like that's a laborer like that's kind of

07:36:45.720 different yeah and they probably have like that's like me going to mcdonald's and be like ha ha you

07:36:49.800 guys are oppressed i'm gonna eat a burger like yeah these women have like cushy air-conditioned office 1.00

07:36:54.680 jobs probably i i guess but i don't know okay and the next one i think i sent you another one do we have

07:37:02.440 another one private chat you can get it pulled up um i'm gonna let a chat come through uh the woman 1.00

07:37:10.920 who just demanded the pay gap go away should be forced to spend four months in the north pacific

07:37:15.000 hauling in king crab pots she could earn 4x what she currently makes boom wage gap gone 1.00

07:37:22.840 thank you for that uh i didn't know they made that much money yeah i mean i'd actually consider

07:37:28.680 it if it's four times that's pretty good you know what we should just make a whole tiktok

07:37:33.640 account where we go to these companies and we work these jobs for one day and i i think that

07:37:39.960 would be really fun even as a uh as a daniel harman thank you for the soup chat as a retired combat

07:37:46.200 veteran i think women should not be drafted women deaths on battlefield is detrimental to the overall

07:37:51.560 morale of the unit while fighting well here's the thing right even if women were subject to the draft

07:37:55.640 uh they they'd probably still get preferential treatment they wouldn't be put in combat roles

07:38:00.040 they would just be like like my i think i i misquoted this the previous time i said this

07:38:04.840 in order to field one combat soldier there needs to be like 10 people in support in the military

07:38:13.720 so to field one soldier there has to be like 10 people in some sort of support capacity facilitating

07:38:20.600 him being able to be like in the combat zone like involved in like a combat scenario that's really

07:38:26.600 interesting yeah so there's plenty of look there's uh des could you grab me a water bottle please

07:38:32.760 yo daniel harman thank you for the soup chat though you have the other one yeah white male privilege

07:38:38.120 you guys know what yeah the d-day yeah landings yeah male privilege thank you man uh so i don't know

07:38:50.600 i don't know current relevant example i mean you guys would probably cite to like women not being

07:38:55.720 allowed to vote as evidence of women's oppression which was like 20 years prior to world war ii so i

07:39:02.360 mean if you guys can say that but there's some men who are now saying that we should take that back

07:39:06.680 so yeah that would be oppression i suppose i'm not in favor of that but um although i do think for

07:39:12.920 the sake of equality women should be subject to military conscription i agree with you on that 1.00

07:39:17.240 yeah i agree the israeli government does it it's a safety thing too if everyone in your country can

07:39:22.440 fight then you have a really strong country wait so really quick uh final thing on the gender pay gap

07:39:27.320 do you think women should be paid in sporting in sports yeah but the thing that sucks with that is 1.00

07:39:33.800 women need to watch the female sports for women to get paid the amount of money that men get paid 1.00

07:39:39.160 which is why i've been trying to watch women's basketball more okay it's our fault for that one 1.00

07:39:45.480 by the way you want to scoot over one soon i think it would be better if we just have you there um yeah

07:39:50.600 i i think uh so you guys do only fans do you think that uh men on only fans should be propped up by the

07:39:59.400 female only fans performance what do you mean by propped up well you guys i i'm not sure if i

07:40:06.120 misunderstood your position but you guys were saying well there should be like do you guys think there

07:40:09.880 should be equal pay for women in like soccer yeah but i mean that's our fault with that one women 1.00

07:40:16.600 should be paid equal to men for like soccer or like what about the nba wnba i think it's sorry

07:40:22.760 yeah can you can you scoot into the table and like strain the mic up a little bit um women should 1.00

07:40:28.200 uh wnba players should be paid the same amount as nba players yeah why yes why not okay i feel like

07:40:35.880 they should but okay i'm not sure not sure i don't know anything about sports but i do know that it's

07:40:42.440 like depends on engagement like it's like how many people are watching that's with any media yeah i think

07:40:48.360 it's all about demand and if people aren't watching the women's sports as much then actually they're not

07:40:52.120 going to get paid as much so if people want to change that watch the women's sports but if you 0.99

07:40:55.960 look at the tyson fight that was a pathetic fight there was women such a better fight they should have 1.00

07:41:00.520 gotten the money that those guys got that was bs yeah actually actually i'm still even though i i do

07:41:07.960 agree with you the fight with between jake paul mike tyson dog the women who fought just before yeah

07:41:14.360 it was a way better fight oh way better fight i mean not as good as the fight before that which

07:41:18.840 was two men but but still right but so even if the women are in some capacity better 1.00

07:41:30.200 sporting events have to do with the draw right mike tyson's the draw jake paul's the draw nobody knows

07:41:37.880 who those women were i want to change that it is about demand so if people want to change that need 0.64

07:41:43.240 to watch it but honestly i don't give a shit about sports i don't even watch the super bowl so like 0.99

07:41:46.680 right that's why women yeah women don't give a shit about sports that's why women athletes don't 1.00

07:41:51.560 get paid as much because you guys care about sports but not as much as men it's a huge it's a huge 0.98

07:41:57.880 girl here name a wmba player uh caitlin clark oh the the one that was yeah any anybody else i can i

07:42:06.520 don't even i've never even watched 10 hold on i've never even watched 10 minutes of a basketball game

07:42:14.680 i don't i don't watch basketball at all no i've watched five minutes hold on sorry that i when

07:42:21.160 i was like five years old my uncle took me i was in new york he took me to uh the the knicks i think

07:42:28.920 i probably wasn't even watching um i've never watched 10 minutes of a televised basket i can name

07:42:34.440 you like 20 basketball players male basketball players can any of you name me

07:42:39.320 male or female no no no like just female yeah like three female basketball players no no because 1.00

07:42:46.600 i don't really give a shit about sports okay no it's just like it's interesting to me like how

07:42:51.800 about but when it comes to only fans women make more money than men on the only fans is that evidence of 0.97

07:42:56.200 like some unfair unfairness or i agree it's about demand so if there's more men out there wanting to 0.95

07:43:01.080 look at pussies so then the women are going to make more if like the guys want the guys to make more 1.00

07:43:05.560 than maybe they should start subscribing to the dudes only fans it's all about demand i pay out my 0.99

07:43:10.040 boyfriend for my only fans he gets paid for you i'm proud of i'm proud of you any other example of

07:43:15.720 women oppression i don't know you said societal expectations it seems like there's a whole bunch

07:43:19.640 of societal expectations on men that pretty ridiculous over sexualization of women is maybe a form 0.54

07:43:29.560 i mean you have two only fans girls here who sexualize or you have three before i mean they 1.00

07:43:34.120 sexualize themselves yeah but like you guys sexualize yourselves anyways yeah well yeah and 0.53

07:43:39.320 that's our choice but not all women want that okay so what's so the over sexual sexualization of of

07:43:48.840 women we just fit a demand and we profit off of that but i feel like the majority of women

07:43:55.560 you know they want they don't really want that but it's just like i don't know but if they have

07:44:04.040 the choice to do that then doesn't that mean it's not oppression because you're able to work in that

07:44:10.920 field without being well i think men should support men's only fan creators and they should be watching 0.98

07:44:17.400 these men's videos to pump up their numbers and give them some extra money check out that dick 1.00

07:44:23.720 the fact that we're able to say anything like just as people male or female i don't think either of 0.73

07:44:30.920 us are i guess necessarily we're in a we're in a we can really do whatever we want i mean you guys can

07:44:38.600 do whatever you want you guys can have an only fans and some countries you'd be put into a death

07:44:44.120 camp i mean i rather live in america at this time than any other time i think we're very free as people

07:44:49.160 and i think that but i think that we also there's a lot of male oppression that isn't talked about

07:44:53.800 like i like is like with the the jobs in the oil rigs and dangerous jobs like that so i think that

07:45:00.440 instead of harping on the fact that oh we're women we're oppressed we can actually do whatever the

07:45:03.880 we want so and we can say what we want to there's a little bit of truth in the fact that men don't 0.99

07:45:09.320 really have an out like woman woman can say i want to be a housewife or i want to you know do this men 1.00

07:45:16.120 like if men's worth i think is a lot of the times equated to like what they can produce and their

07:45:21.640 status and yeah that is actually really i want to very very good observation a totally factual

07:45:29.480 observation uh also super based from you you and you um yeah yeah um well there's something i was

07:45:41.800 going to go on on this but it just kind of slipped my mind something about the uh i forgot what it was

07:45:47.560 i'm gonna let a couple chats through maybe who comes to me gianna can i have you read these

07:45:52.200 the fact you think you can just step off a boat in the middle of the ocean to go back to your posh home

07:45:57.800 after an hour's shows how entitled you are you don't have a choice to leave the boat that's why

07:46:05.480 no i agree that's why i said i'd do it for more than a day because i know doing it for one day

07:46:09.320 doesn't give you an accurate representation of what it would be like to work those hard jobs

07:46:13.320 that's a fair point i would do it for i don't know a couple weeks we should honestly feel like

07:46:17.960 that show would be a really good show if there's a network out there put me on it i will i will do the

07:46:23.960 hard jobs you know they did there was this show i forgot the exact title of it maybe it was like

07:46:29.160 bear grills like something so they took a group of women and a group of men and they put them each 0.72

07:46:35.640 on a separate island it was like a survival thing so it wasn't like totally the same as what you're

07:46:40.120 talking about but they put a group of men group of women on different islands and they're like okay

07:46:45.000 just go survive like you don't have anything like make fire get food shelter uh they basically the

07:46:52.440 production staff within three days had to rescue the group of women because they were like on the 1.00

07:46:58.440 verge of like i don't know if it was uh they didn't find water or i don't know what exactly what the

07:47:03.640 issue was like they were literally on the verge of dying have they never been camping before i don't

07:47:08.840 remember all the details so i don't want to like say something that's not the case i think they like

07:47:13.400 obviously the women knew get going into this what it was entailing so i think the women were survived 0.98

07:47:19.240 maybe survivalists may i don't i could be wrong yeah that'd be interesting to watch though i would

07:47:24.600 like to see that but to your point that you were saying uh and to your point too women in the united 0.99

07:47:33.000 states you guys are the most privileged most free group of women to have ever existed in the entire 1.00

07:47:44.440 history of humanity and y'all want to talk about oppression not me not me you want to talk about 0.99

07:47:52.040 oppression well i can say all this shit you're like i see you zoning it out you're like shut the 0.99

07:47:56.360 fuck up i don't believe any of this shit well going back to the the chat we were having earlier i think 1.00

07:48:04.040 white women have more privilege than than asian women so what 50 of you i would say more black and 1.00

07:48:12.440 black and brown communities women black and brown women would be less privileged than white women 1.00

07:48:20.120 so like intersectionality i guess what about asian women asian women are minority

07:48:25.720 true what's going on with asian women you're half asian i am half asian but i'm white i'm light 0.93

07:48:30.920 skinned i have light skin i have the privilege of a white person in america so if you were if you looked

07:48:35.880 more asian you would have less privilege um possibly like how how would your life be different if you

07:48:42.840 looked like full asian as opposed to wasian that's so funny that was my old instagram username um what

07:48:51.080 what was wasian like throughout all middle school and high school i mean the term for half white half

07:48:57.160 okay i know but i didn't know that when i was given that nickname it was like given to me sure yeah and

07:49:01.720 then i changed it because it was like really wait who gave you the nickname um some kids in middle

07:49:06.680 school and it kind of just went on in so how would your life be different if you like were full 100

07:49:12.280 asian um if the color of my skin was different i think that would be that would change how i'm

07:49:18.680 perceived in america i mean

07:49:23.800 asian i mean yeah there's different like you know if you're like indonesian or like vietnamese or like

07:49:29.480 there's uh different shades i guess if you break what what's your you said you're filipino okay

07:49:35.720 like some filipinos like can be a bit more darker whereas if you're comparing if you're comparing to 0.67

07:49:40.600 like korean or like japanese or like chinese uh they tend to have a bit lighter skin than they're like

07:49:45.640 more southern uh like south southeast asian counterparts but like there are asian women who are just as 1.00

07:49:53.560 light pale as you so i'm not sure yeah and they won't experience us as lighter skin asian women 1.00

07:50:02.680 won't experience the same oppression that darker skinned women would so darker skinned asian women 1.00

07:50:08.520 are face more oppression than they could how based off the color of their skin they might get treated

07:50:15.400 differently how would they be treated differently um i don't know in lots of ways like people have

07:50:21.800 stereotypes negative stereotypes of people with darker skin in general but don't you have a

07:50:28.360 stereotype about people with lighter skin then no because that's just that's that's our history is

07:50:35.480 that lighter skin people have but now but now in this present time you're saying

07:50:42.840 i honestly think that it can go it can go both ways that you can be racist towards anyone

07:50:48.600 so if you're having and also not i think most more thing it should be talked about more like black

07:50:55.640 on black violence brown on brown violence like in and gang related violence and everything like that

07:50:59.960 because i mean i guess a lot of the time now it's like you know these these movements and stuff and

07:51:07.080 and i understand that i'm not even that educated on that but honestly i don't really

07:51:12.840 i just i think that there's there can be racism in in any area i think if you're gonna bring up

07:51:19.720 black on black crime and brown on brown crime just crime in minority groups where did that originate 1.00

07:51:26.360 from why why does that exist wait you're saying it's white people's fault i'm asking i'm asking the 0.89

07:51:32.920 question answer what no genuinely asking why why you think that exists why do you think i don't think

07:51:38.200 that's talked about enough i think because of the history of the country i think so black people 0.98

07:51:43.400 kill other black people because white people um or like latinos kill latinos because of white people 0.98

07:51:53.560 no i don't think you can just make that blanket statement i think it's more nuanced than that i think 1.00

07:51:57.800 it goes deeper into the history of this country and what poor people minorities don't have what white

07:52:07.560 people have in this country what about asian people i mean again they're not treated the same way that

07:52:15.560 darker skinned people are 0.93

07:52:19.160 like you guys all disagree with my statement i don't come i mean couldn't we make an argument that

07:52:24.040 because you're half asian like so asian people tend to like if you look at their income for example

07:52:29.480 it actually tends to i mean it depends which i mean there's there's vietnamese korea like there's all

07:52:33.560 kinds of differentials here uh like there's different uh segments of asian people they're

07:52:39.480 not just one monolith there's like obviously vietnamese korean japanese chinese etc etc but like

07:52:44.920 overwhelmingly if you look at these different um asian groups they out they out earn uh whites 0.99

07:52:53.720 okay so then like are asian people oppressing white people because they fare better in america i think that

07:52:59.400 has to do more with asian culture in general oh so but why can't that be applied like to other racial

07:53:05.000 groups why can't what be applied you're saying asian people are doing really good because

07:53:11.480 despite them coming to this country with absolutely nothing right and they actually there was oppression

07:53:17.560 towards asian people for example uh when it came to japanese internment camps that's a that's a thing

07:53:22.520 um building the railroad asian asian americans have absolutely flourished in this country

07:53:27.560 so like you're saying that's part of their culture but why can't why would that not apply like to

07:53:32.520 other cultures too i also think asian specifically like lighter skinned asians kind of try to cater to

07:53:41.640 the white american american dream essentially

07:53:48.360 wait the like i'm chinese so would you say that people would like treat us differently she's only 25 though so

07:53:57.240 she does not have as much victim points as you also she's chinese you're filipino maybe there's a

07:54:04.040 differential there why do you say victim points well that's what you're that's what you're arguing like

07:54:08.840 oh i'm part of a minority group ergo i'm a victim i told you that i i'm privileged as a light-skinned

07:54:14.360 half asian half white woman okay i'm making that very clear y'all okay no big oh show

07:54:20.920 okay um i think there also shouldn't be a shame in someone talking though just because i think that's

07:54:29.080 like i don't know if that's oppression itself or at least sort of prejudice of like oh i'm sorry i'm

07:54:35.880 white i can't say anything like a white person shouldn't be guilty to have an opinion just like

07:54:42.360 a brown person shouldn't be guilty to have an opinion oh just like like you were apologizing earlier 0.59

07:54:47.080 and that kind of made me a little heated inside because it's like you don't you shouldn't have to

07:54:50.280 apologize we all have the free speech right here to say you can say whatever you want about someone

07:54:58.040 else she can say whatever she wants about you so i don't think that i think that because hate crimes

07:55:04.200 exist well for a reason there can be a i mean you could technically say you could technically say

07:55:09.000 what there's also yeah there's certain slurs and things that you know i get i i understand that

07:55:14.280 but i mean i don't think it's actually a crime like you could just call someone i don't think

07:55:18.360 it's a crime to call somebody slur if you like punch them in the face and then you call them a

07:55:22.600 slur but that's when you're in trouble right but do you see the amount of like trolls on discord that

07:55:27.240 will literally say the n-word the r-word whatever yeah you i you shouldn't say you shouldn't say slurs

07:55:31.800 i mean just not at all but it shouldn't be encouraged whatsoever but i'm saying like

07:55:36.280 i don't i just think that like white if you're white and you're apologizing just for having an opinion

07:55:41.800 or apologizing for even being born as white i'm so sorry i'm i'm white i'm so sorry for what i did

07:55:47.640 here but you didn't maybe your ancestors did but why do you have to be to why do you have to be so

07:55:53.400 to to blame right now just for the fact that you're white i feel i'm oppressed as a white man i think i

07:55:58.760 think white people just need to acknowledge that most people have because there's a black lives matter

07:56:05.960 movement there's like oppressor people were literally like basically like just thought

07:56:11.960 of differently because they didn't have the the fist of the black lives matter thing in like 2020 0.90

07:56:16.040 and they were like oh the black square yeah wait funny story holy shit i've never told this anecdote i 0.78

07:56:23.400 i was gonna go on a date with a girl and then she scoped my instagram this is like a month after the 0.95

07:56:28.600 the uh the you know and uh she thought it was black lives matter but it was the big lady i think 0.98

07:56:38.920 good job tiana no way so i was gonna go on this date with this girl and she 0.97

07:56:45.240 fucking scoped my instagram and she's like oh you didn't post a black square like never mind 0.98

07:56:50.520 that's that's ridiculous i guess i guess i must i guess i must not stand for i guess i i guess i must not 0.99

07:56:58.040 have morals i guess i must be racist if i didn't post a black square which i did not post a black 0.94

07:57:02.200 square but that doesn't mean that i'm racist that doesn't mean that i don't care about the situation

07:57:07.400 that happened i didn't post a black square no i don't think you need to be i don't think anyone 0.84

07:57:12.040 needs to be apologetic for being born the way they are but i think in our society just acknowledging

07:57:17.400 that racism still does exist and there are prejudice against specifically minorities and people of color i

07:57:23.560 think as white people we're all well not all but majority of us in this room are white people and

07:57:28.440 we need to just acknowledge that it does exist and it's a conversation that doesn't have to

07:57:32.680 wait i think it is i think it's acknowledged to a point where i think it's acknowledged to a point

07:57:36.600 where you have privilege as a white man i i think you need to you hold on hold on i think you know what

07:57:44.600 i how do you know i i identify as a man you know what well there you go no you didn't ask for my 0.98

07:57:50.440 fucking pronouns i'm so sorry i'm so sorry split what's your pronouns uh excuse you do you have 0.96

07:58:00.040 pronouns would you be yeah i go by um i go by uh sir master in fact in fact i identify as an asian 0.98

07:58:11.400 person so it would be okay for you to bow to me because i'm asian oh my god why can't i identify as

07:58:17.400 an asian woman you you can't because you're not why why can't i identify as a filipino asian woman

07:58:23.800 because you're not like a little abuela or wait no that's spanish you gotta you gotta put the work

07:58:28.840 in wrong it would be lola by the way abuelo abuela oh yeah well that's low because you're a guy

07:58:35.240 i don't know how about this alissa how about this how about this alissa i identify as the correct

07:58:42.920 person on every single thing that we've talked about tonight i believe that and i want you to

07:58:49.400 affirm my identity as the true and correct person and you be and you're wrong that's my my identity

07:58:56.760 is i'm right you're wrong can you affirm my identity no thank you excuse me that's really rude you just 0.95

07:59:02.200 like misidentified me i'm so sorry wow you're like so bigoted and racist and sexist and phobic of some 0.97

07:59:12.280 sort of phobe with my head you're some kind of phobe you're a germaphobe also as somebody hold on no no 0.98

07:59:19.400 i want to call you out alissa this is really serious here i wear contacts and when i'm not wearing 0.99

07:59:26.840 contacts as somebody who has poor vision you are fucking larping as somebody you those are not 0.99

07:59:34.600 corrective lenses right take their blue light glasses take that shit off bro why they look 1.00

07:59:39.320 good take that acknowledge your privilege as somebody who has 20 20 vision take that 1.00

07:59:43.480 fucking shit off bro these are blue light glasses i'm literally so i'm like negative seven gonna give 1.00

07:59:49.240 me a headache i'm negative seven bro damn i'm literally i would if we were driving and i didn't 0.99

07:59:54.840 have my contacts in or my glasses i would you know what this is a different conversation i want you 0.83

08:00:01.080 i want you to acknowledge your vision privilege i do have vision i have 20 20 vision i have great

08:00:07.320 every single year i have to spend hundreds of dollars on contact lenses i gotta buy new spectacles 0.98

08:00:13.960 because those shit are fucking they break or whatever every one or two years i'm buying new specs 0.95

08:00:18.120 you should i feel that over the course of a lifetime that's thousands of dollars i want you to apologize 0.99

08:00:25.240 to me as a privileged uh seeing person i'm so sorry that you have terrible vision i hope you get free

08:00:34.360 contacts for the rest of your life thank you thank you know what i'd like you to do to make up for this

08:00:39.240 injustice oh no i need you to hit a bow right now

08:00:43.240 that's okay no how about this will you put on a make america great again hat absolutely not no you

08:00:52.120 didn't vote for trump no i didn't that is really surprising to me i could have sworn you were a

08:00:57.160 mega no not me no nope nope okay well i think look i just think you need to recognize your privilege 0.84

08:01:06.520 i do as somebody who has perfect 2020 vision i absolutely do every fucking takes me three 0.91

08:01:13.000 minutes to wash my hands put my contacts in i'm so sorry my glasses seems like bro i've probably 0.95

08:01:18.840 been passed up like a girl seen me in glasses and she's like damn he looks nerdy i'm not gonna 0.99

08:01:24.440 fuck him i think guys i lost out on pussy i think glasses are hot it's fucked up guys can be hot 1.00

08:01:31.400 yeah whatever these guys are hot seriously yeah y'all tripping man i used to actually make my 1.00

08:01:37.000 disability is not a fucking costume for you to wear bro i'm so sorry you feel that way yeah man 0.98

08:01:44.600 like this is glasses face what you're doing bro this is crazy this is 1.00

08:01:49.560 fucking glasses face you don't even have bad you don't even have bad vision you're protecting 0.99

08:01:55.720 your vision is there blue light glasses blue light that's fake news blue all blue light the 1.00

08:02:01.880 blue light you ever look at the sky that's fucking blue sun yeah but it's not directly in 0.89

08:02:07.000 my face for eight hours when i'm talking on my computer i'm indoors look you are doing 0.91

08:02:13.000 glasses face those are not prescription lenses take it off right now i think that's not nice to

08:02:18.600 make a mockery of i think you're making a mockery hold on are you diminishing the you don't

08:02:25.400 realize how much i suffer because i have to wear contacts and i have to put on i have to spend 0.52

08:02:30.040 money do you fear for your life every day because you can't see yeah bro i dude here i literally have

08:02:36.040 anxiety at night i'm like yo what if there's like nuclear thermonuclear holocaust what if there was

08:02:43.000 like zombie apocalypse if i ever lose my glasses in like a survival situation i am literally gonna die

08:02:52.520 because my vision is that bad that's i hope you get an endless i literally have anxiety i think about

08:02:57.960 this at night i'm literally like dude if i did if i like lost my glasses and i was like the only human

08:03:04.200 left i would be i'm so sorry i would literally life and the world would bend me over and literally 0.87

08:03:12.360 fuck me in the ass because my vision is so bad thank you for putting that picture 0.99

08:03:18.680 i don't think you dude my vision is bad it's negative seven son do you have it's negative 1.00

08:03:25.000 seven do you have astigmatism too no oh so this is a big deal i think about this yeah my life would be

08:03:31.080 a day my life be a man learn how to make my vision because of my vision yeah learn how to make your own 0.99

08:03:36.840 contacts learn how to make glasses and contacts you can do it be a fucking you know you know what's 0.99

08:03:41.480 crazy we could say be a man but the second someone says be a woman we get really upset it was a joke 0.99

08:03:47.320 no but no but but i'm saying that like mana be a man or it's like saying oh yeah you're a 1.00

08:03:53.080 pussy or like something like that i'm just saying you fucking pussy learn how to i'm just saying like 1.00

08:03:57.960 girls are able to say that but then learn how to like make concave i used to do that it depends 1.00

08:04:03.880 on the person i used to do that damn that's kind of sexy you know i used to make glasses in fact i 0.53

08:04:07.480 had a viral tiktok video of me doing glasses i had like 4.5 million views once yeah yeah anyways i 0.82

08:04:14.440 know i think the biggest privilege would be like health privilege like somebody's like bad health 0.98

08:04:19.480 like who cares if they're white black whatever like if your health's all fucked up that's like the 0.99

08:04:25.560 the that's pretty anyways um oh shit wait guys it's uh okay hold on uh guys just a heads up i'm 0.99

08:04:37.000 gonna let a couple chats come gianna the the tts is paused donated 100 yeah okay who can define 0.77

08:04:43.240 feminism objectively in western society okay russian chocolates for the oppressed marxist career first

08:04:49.400 feminist who can speculate that the patriarchy are men oppressors manifested ladies russian chocolate 0.98

08:04:56.760 the page i mean the patriarchy is just like q anon for feminists but um it's like fake news 0.98

08:05:02.680 lol paladin's donated 100 dollars number three just admitted you are a worse person than number two

08:05:09.880 because of the color of your skin that's what number two wants you to say just go ahead and tell her 0.55

08:05:16.040 you are sorry because of your skin color are you like part something like part white part 0.99

08:05:22.920 part middle eastern and part el salvadorian oh hey she's got more uh points than you

08:05:29.960 because like she's latin american she's latin american and she's you said middle eastern 0.99

08:05:37.480 middle eastern yeah that scores you some like Mexican a little bit that scores you victim points 0.99

08:05:42.520 it's like that south park how are you gonna talk down to like uh bro you're half white bruv that 0.98

08:05:48.280 you're 50 why you're privileged and i've recognized my privilege many times i want you to do a um stolen

08:05:54.040 land acknowledgement right now i don't think you have to do that i'll i'll give her a hug can you do

08:05:58.280 can you do a stolen land acknowledgement what's going on here i'll do it what's going on stolen land

08:06:05.800 acknowledgement i'm gonna get canceled a land acknowledgement hold on this is crazy uh wait 0.93

08:06:13.000 fuck how do i isn't it like a thing of like you can only get canceled if you like believe or i would 0.96

08:06:18.360 like to start this podcast off by acknowledging that this podcast studio is built on stolen indigenous 1.00

08:06:27.480 chumash land and i recognize my white privilege

08:06:36.280 she likes it she likes it bro are you like turned on or what no that's just so unnecessary to me you 0.93

08:06:42.120 know what's crazy male feminists what's wrong with acknowledging that though it's okay to acknowledge 1.00

08:06:45.960 it but why do you have to like but you didn't yourself make them like like do it and like say hey

08:06:52.280 but again you have to do that like no no one said he had to he willingly did that i think it's okay

08:06:56.200 to be like acknowledge that he acknowledged that it's okay to acknowledge it but like not just

08:06:59.800 like you know just be sorry uh wait gianna can you read this chat chair to stop with the race bs

08:07:07.000 black woman kick the husband's father's out of the house in exchange for government money this is big 1.00

08:07:13.160 that is a bigger reason for the a comic and it's gonna be a black than racist uh by the way guys 0.97

08:07:22.600 we're gonna wrap up the show soon so we're gonna do a roast session i already changed a few things

08:07:26.920 on the youtube that i just they're in the hold queue right now 20 tts gonna do a row session then we're

08:07:35.160 gonna wrap up okay everyone's gonna roast each other or chat's gonna roast us just curious um alissa

08:07:44.360 because you are um i find it very offensive that you're wearing non-corrective lenses and i have

08:07:51.240 vision problems i would like reparations from you do you agree to pay me reparations

08:08:00.120 oh no no because me personally yes you personally you are the oppressor

08:08:06.040 am i or am i an ableist for being able to you definitely oppressed me throughout this entire

08:08:14.200 show i felt very oppressed i'm so sorry you were just looking at me in a very oppressive way

08:08:19.640 i'm just trying to protect the eyes from all the lights like you kind of and it goes with just the

08:08:24.280 way you've been looking at me just this entire night it's been very oppressive i'm so sorry you

08:08:29.080 feel that way should i look at the girls sticking your nose up at me like i would rather look at the 1.00

08:08:33.800 girls anyway are you bisexual which girl here do you want to focus oh my god no no no no no no it's 0.95

08:08:42.200 okay oh why are we online she's gonna do only fans though okay no that's okay we don't have to do that

08:08:51.400 so i mean uh look i literally i spend hundreds of dollars a year because i'm vision impaired

08:08:58.040 on contacts i think you should get free contacts for the rest of your life i agree yeah at your

08:09:04.600 expense you should have to pay for it because also blind i agree you i think uh like just alissa has

08:09:13.080 to pay like just you actually free tampons yeah then yeah we should get free tampons too i like that

08:09:19.960 i feel like tampons probably cost less over the course of the year than like a rx i would be open to

08:09:26.520 the american public paying there were certain chemicals i would be open to the american public

08:09:34.520 uh chemicals i don't have a joke never mind okay uh did did i pull up that super chat did we pull

08:09:41.880 this one up okay all right guys 20 tts guys get it in we're gonna do a roast session and uh we're

08:09:48.280 gonna wrap wait did did i did this joe murphy donated 100 do these ladies know what existentialism 1.00

08:09:57.320 is number two from the right is totally oppressed i would have dubbed you as a tartar far eastern 0.63

08:10:03.400 russian supper oppressed in america group identity is insane yo joe murphy thank you for the tts man i

08:10:10.680 really appreciate it uh existentialism i've heard that word before what does it mean do you guys know

08:10:17.400 what it means i think it means exit just kidding that's not what it means because like existential

08:10:23.400 crisis right that's just exactly exactly what i think those are my favorite kind of crisis i have

08:10:28.200 those love those okay uh we have a bunch of snap more donated 19 dollars and 99 cents thank you man

08:10:34.760 please cook this walk to you i'm asian btw marxist indoctrination in the western education system

08:10:41.240 is what's dividing your country you need to wake up white equals bad is getting stale do you want 1.00

08:10:47.160 racism effects do you want to respond to the walk to uh that was actually funny that was really good

08:10:54.840 this is the roast session no you ate with that i'm not gonna lie i'll give you that what's your type

08:11:01.560 and guy uh i don't really should you have a type i don't have a type i like what i like what do you

08:11:06.440 guys think your type is you said black men right i'm i have a pass the guy that she feels like she 0.99

08:11:11.720 can fix are you so right she's a diy i'm working on it donated 20 dollars if women stop the promiscuous 0.99

08:11:21.880 activity men will stop using naughty no no words deal i don't care if somebody says wait what was the

08:11:29.560 naughty no no word i used i don't okay one more e0 169 donated 20 dollars hey brian this is worse

08:11:39.960 than the blonde who thought a woman is better than a man to chair one slash two fifths of a year all 1.00

08:11:45.720 won't bow yet you get on your knees and gladly give oh face boom mic drop crazy 1.00

08:11:50.280 what the fuck lol paladins donated 100 days number two you are the most racist piece of 1.00

08:11:57.320 sheep to have ever been on this show oh you judge everyone because of the color of their skin 1.00

08:12:02.760 you think skin color is the most important aspect of someone's life can i respond to that

08:12:08.360 yeah go ahead yeah where did that come from that it's so opposite of you that's a little

08:12:14.040 very that's far off i would have to say well i think maybe how about this like the idea that you

08:12:20.600 can target target an ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the specific innocence or guilt

08:12:28.520 of the uh constituent uh elements of the group there's nothing more racist than that

08:12:35.560 so you're saying like essentially white people are like guilty of a collective crime right

08:12:43.480 i wouldn't say it in those words

08:12:47.160 okay all right well i tried to explain that but uh we got to let these come through

08:12:50.840 okay uh law paladins jack underscore m donated 20 dollars ladies did you know that the us 0.98

08:12:58.920 government is mixing dihydrogen monoxide with our drinking water i think this is important for americans

08:13:05.480 to be made aware of we are consuming it every day that's just water that's water i did chemistry

08:13:11.640 i went to college that's water thank you though i'm a smart hoe that's why i'm and sexy well 0.98

08:13:22.280 okay are you i feel like there's like tension here i don't know like you're trying to hit

08:13:28.040 there are you are you are you by you like women maybe yeah have you dated i've eaten

08:13:35.160 coochie you've eaten how was it it was okay it was good yeah i would do it again okay just wait

08:13:42.920 until you add all the different kind of flavored lubes to it wow that's so exciting your tongue

08:13:47.560 that is crazy that sounds so exciting doesn't it make your like tongue kind of numb if you do that

08:13:53.160 like crazy yeah on the table not no not on the table bro okay hold on can you just do it in the

08:13:59.960 chair or no it's not gonna work no i do it on the table yeah what do you need to do it do it

08:14:06.760 oh contortion one more zero 169 donated 20 this one came through right hey brian this is worse than

08:14:14.520 sorry my bad here let me do the other one sorry man uh we have

08:14:18.600 thank you vector vector donated 20 i will not bow because that is disrespectful however i will gladly

08:14:30.200 copulate with another person that isn't my lover perfectly reasonable you're oppressing yourselves

08:14:37.400 it goes back are you guys on the you guys within a few hours of meeting a guy that guy 0.99

08:14:43.000 will have his penis in and around your mouth but you can't do a bow no it's mutually beneficial when 1.00

08:14:50.600 you're having is it but can't what couldn't a woman sit here and say no i think giving oral sex is not 1.00

08:14:56.840 mutually beneficial sure someone i mean it's not it's not called a blow yay it's blow it's a job it's called 0.99

08:15:04.120 a blow job for a reason it's a it's a blowy yeah but women like putting in the hard work too sometimes the 1.00

08:15:09.880 men aren't going to get down on their knees and suck the dicks but would it be straight though 1.00

08:15:18.280 but they would not be two men but one's like transgender or whatever that girl left because 1.00

08:15:25.000 of that um i do uh you know what's crazy though with the whole sex thing like i actually think

08:15:32.360 it's kind of unfair like we gotta put in all this like a lot of work and you guys be having like 0.98

08:15:39.560 multiple orgasms and shit that's unfair man sometimes it's actually really i think it's 0.97

08:15:44.200 different and here's a double standard explain riddle me this why is it that if a woman comes 0.99

08:15:51.080 really quick that's dope but if i come after three pumps i'm a bad guy all of a sudden no i don't

08:15:57.240 think that at all i no like if i premature ejaculate that's a problem but you guys but we

08:16:02.280 could come multiple times in a row i'm just being oh seven is my max i don't care if you come after

08:16:07.320 three pumps but then like get me off oh like round two yeah yeah let's see let's all eat

08:16:12.280 sandwiches i'll make some cookies and we'll get back on it yeah it's not fair man like y'all be

08:16:17.320 like y'all this idea that set like men get more from bro y'all literally be like spaz like spazzing 0.98

08:16:24.520 out fucking when you're coming but the female body is a lot more complicated it is like some women sure 1.00

08:16:29.480 maybe they can yeah not all women listen to this this is a good this is a good story so i i had a 0.99

08:16:37.160 horrible trip on mushrooms and i had to be put on prozac for a while but orgasming on prozac is the 0.98

08:16:42.120 hardest fucking thing in the world so finally when i was able to get off the prozac my orgasms it was 0.97

08:16:48.440 like somebody was throwing um like barbells on me and i had a pump but then now it's like somebody threw 0.99

08:16:54.440 me a teddy bear and i was like fucking yeah now i can come like a billion times but orgasming on 0.95

08:16:59.640 mushrooms is really cool too yeah yeah i don't know about the psychedelic stuff but uh but whatever 0.97

08:17:06.520 um no it's just not fair like there's women some not all women but some of y'all be can come like 20

08:17:13.320 times like and it gets even crazier the more the more and more and more i can tell you with people that

08:17:20.840 it's harder for them too though and then they struggle yeah and that's that's kind of hard

08:17:26.040 especially if it really depends on again who you're doing it with but if the person just ends up being

08:17:32.040 like well i got mine right and then they don't really care about helping you finish as well or

08:17:37.400 they try for like 15 seconds and then they're like well i guess you didn't i guess you didn't

08:17:41.080 because it takes it takes a while for some people look my rule my rule i know you guys think i'm a 0.99

08:17:45.800 terrible toxic masculinity misogynist whatever the fuck my my philosophy when it comes to sex she's 1.00

08:17:53.960 gotta come first that's awesome she got she got come first and impossible multiple times really 1.00

08:18:00.600 you know wow if she's able not all women can do it yeah but that's so cool that you're putting

08:18:05.320 i think that's turning into a person from boston that's really cool

08:18:08.280 and that's what making love is from jerry i had a really hard time orgasming and within the 0.55

08:18:17.000 beginning when i first started having sex but it literally is a practice thing like if you really

08:18:20.600 put your mind to it and kind of connect those brains brain cells you'll be able to do it more often

08:18:25.640 yeah practice makes perfect it's like the only redeeming thing i have is that

08:18:30.040 she's got to come first you know that's all that's all i have no she has to bow first and then she 0.87

08:18:38.360 she bows she does your laundry what if she can she bows she plows wow yeah she bows she plows 0.98

08:18:50.520 reminds me of that one borat thing she does good on plow but then she gets a one hair on her chest 1.00

08:18:55.960 she's like do you remember that line i do i liked that one and then sure it's like sleeve of wizard

08:19:03.560 yes yes well oh you are oh you are very nice nice high five how much how much

08:19:13.000 oh my god uh lol paladins donated twenty dollars thank you man absolutely shocked that the woke 0.95

08:19:20.280 racist is faking her personality she is as deep and as smart as her fake high glasses she wears 1.00

08:19:26.200 eyeglasses to make people think she is smarter than reality i can fix they're just cute i can fix her 1.00

08:19:32.920 i just fix yeah i don't need to be i can fix her i think i'm okay give give give us like three months

08:19:41.240 and she'll be like the most like based misogynist no i'm just kidding i'm kidding i'm kidding i'm

08:19:45.240 kidding i don't know is this a common thing that when i was when i said the word based after watching

08:19:49.880 your podcast to my brother he was like okay please never say that again no one says base that

08:19:55.400 sounds so chronically online it's super online yeah it's super on because i said that and he cringed

08:20:00.760 so hard but he's able to like put me back to earth and be like that's not what people say

08:20:05.480 usually a lot it's fallen out of favor outside it was cool like two years ago or something but that's

08:20:11.240 like whatever i'm not wearing the glasses to look smarter they're just cute and they're blue light

08:20:15.400 glasses so they're really cute on you they're really flexible for your face thank you accessorize

08:20:23.400 i'll um i don't know if i'm i'll i will bow for you if you put on the maga hat no absolutely not

08:20:33.960 just kidding i've beaten sheiks donated twenty dollars as a non-white male the liberals should give

08:20:39.720 white males reparations for the socialist policies that have been indoctrinated in america example d-e-i

08:20:47.960 d-e-i equals didn't turn it uh beat in cheeks there any anybody in response quick d-e-i god

08:20:56.680 forbid we give opportunity to people who don't have it in the first place yeah like white men wait just

08:21:03.400 as someone that hasn't heard d-e-i what is d-e-i we need more you know what we need more opportunities 1.00

08:21:08.040 for 25 asian women it's fucking bullshit fucking gianna over here she's like a contortionist but 1.00

08:21:14.280 she's been totally like fucking screwed over and looked over by the modeling industry because she is 1.00

08:21:21.080 75 her 75 is oppressing her 25 my grandma's from china i'm chinese too oh 0.99

08:21:29.720 shit i'm also part chinese whoa i'm also part chinese too cool what do you think about that 0.66

08:21:37.160 because we're family now i'm also you know what i'm here's a crazy thing i'm you might actually 0.95

08:21:43.240 like me a bit more now because um so get this right i'm technically well no here i'll say it first

08:21:49.720 my mom was born in america my dad was born in africa i'm not making that up my dad was born in north

08:21:57.320 africa in uh algeria technically i'm african-american no what's up desmond no what's up

08:22:13.880 and you like african-americans right sorry bro so off the rails bro no technically i'm african-american

08:22:22.360 right no because your your father came here when no he was born in africa and like lived there

08:22:33.240 okay and then did he did he move here did your father move to the united states later in life

08:22:41.160 much later in life yes but he wasn't raised in america as a black american

08:22:46.280 no but so okay he's african and my mom's american

08:22:56.120 african-american yeah i think so okay sure but you're not black american there's a difference

08:23:00.280 no i'm no definitely not black american yeah technically african-american yeah sure technically

08:23:06.920 go off go off slay okay good talk i'm gonna get canceled for it's true though i'm technically

08:23:15.480 african-american

08:23:17.720 mhm

08:23:20.440 chat am i wait actually yeah let the chat no think about it right like if if your dad was born in

08:23:27.480 like uh germany and your mom was born in america and they had sex i mean i consider myself filipino

08:23:35.080 american so yeah like you're you're half filipino and half like your dad is it my dad is is filipino

08:23:45.400 no white he's white and he's born he's from america born in america mom born in the philippines

08:23:51.160 yeah you speak uh tagalog is that what it's called a little bit yeah there's more dialects as well right 1.00

08:23:56.040 yeah i am african-american all right well there you go i don't believe it let's see your dick 0.99

08:24:07.080 okay so here we go it's not the time and here let's just wow what time is it tonight okay good talk 1.00

08:24:14.920 good times good times let's uh whip out the labia 1.00

08:24:21.800 whip it out one maury zero 169 donated 20 dollars

08:24:27.720 i think he sent it like three times

08:24:30.920 he was so angry

08:24:31.800 one slash two-fifths of a year or won't i gladly give oh face boom mike drop craziness

08:24:38.840 i think this guy just wants to see my oh face

08:24:43.400 i um there's no water in this i need water okay uh

08:24:48.680 gigajuan donated 20 dollars chair two my mexican ancestors lost half their land to your white 0.72

08:24:55.320 ancestors can you apologize personally to me for manifest destiny i'm so sorry you go one i'm so

08:25:03.720 sorry thank you for the uh okay

08:25:07.240 bubba donated 20 dollars booty booty booty booty rocking everywhere rocking everywhere rocking everywhere

08:25:15.000 rocking everywhere get it right get it tight get it right get it right get it tight whoa

08:25:22.200 word it's a song it is wait what what is it booty booty booty booty rocking everywhere

08:25:28.040 booty booty booty rocking everywhere of course they know this

08:25:31.320 i found you miss new booty 1.00

08:25:36.360 somebody here's a singer who's a singer oh wait that was that never mind okay um

08:25:45.160 ghost logistics donated 20 dollars a man is like a dodge ram a woman is like a honda civic

08:25:52.200 you expect the eight-cylinder to run errands while the four-cylinder pretends to attempt

08:25:56.840 pulling a tree stump out dumb make sandwiches fold stuff i bet you you can't even drive a stick

08:26:05.240 so it's roasted ghost ghost team my car it's STI and it's stick so would you not date a guy if he 0.97

08:26:12.760 didn't wait wait what if a guy didn't know how to drive stick would that be a deal breaker no i would

08:26:16.920 just teach him there was a girl on the panel who's like yeah deal breaker if you can't drive stick my 1.00

08:26:21.240 dad used to could we had a stick anyways he he would like when i was i was in like elementary

08:26:26.280 school he beat you with no no no no no no a stick because we are we had a range rover and then he it

08:26:33.320 was the stick and then he would like actually teach me each like setting of it it's and then sometimes

08:26:38.440 when he'd like make uh so he'd be like which one do you do now and then i got i was doing it so much

08:26:43.160 that like i literally like sometimes i would like do it there's nothing hotter than like i had a

08:26:47.240 girlfriend once and i grabbed her hand and put it on the stick and i was driving with it my mama drove 0.95

08:26:51.960 stick wow that's it's hot man it's hot that's uh that's like really um just why can't i ever find

08:27:01.400 never mind okay um vector donated twenty dollars brian you got a nice set of ai sex dolls on the panel 0.55

08:27:09.960 which ones who are those i don't know uh probably the probably the only fans creators

08:27:16.520 the smart ones that have been able to answer pretty much all the questions i'm just kidding

08:27:20.840 christopher scott donated twenty dollars telling people that they are oppressed is like saying

08:27:26.280 they're less than another group of people so isn't playing oppression olympics counterproductive

08:27:31.640 also brian you have told the black square story really maybe like one other i'm pretty sure i never told

08:27:38.840 that story but maybe i told it one time anyways i also had a girl not go well like end the date 1.00

08:27:47.400 because i was drinking from a plastic water bottle but i told that michael smith donated 19 dollars and

08:27:53.560 99 cents i hope all the women watching are taking lessons from seat three lighten the makeup smile and you 0.99

08:28:01.960 will find a great man listen to the rest of this ladies and enjoy lonely life as the woman who's been 0.99

08:28:08.680 with her man for 17 years married okay i think she has the whole table on the back burner getting

08:28:17.240 spanked when it comes to relationship advice you know you want to watch a swap with other couples 1.00

08:28:22.680 check it out you do madison and big dick dan on of the biggest dick i've ever seen biggest dick in 1.00

08:28:30.120 in the room he's like 13 inches no it's really like 11 inches okay that's still 1.00

08:28:35.240 fucking crazy you know i do we were talking about um you know like getting women pregnant and i do want 1.00

08:28:42.840 to say like that's why i stick to anal sex i love you of course i'm being safe i pull out yeah of course 1.00

08:28:51.880 okay all right good talk is that van wilder double agent donated twenty dollars my husband is 50 years 1.00

08:28:59.880 old white conservative christian he has been strategically made to be the enemy of society 0.63

08:29:07.320 just for breathing women who talk about white male privilege need to leave earth 1.00

08:29:12.120 that's a little dramatic she should go to mars with elon musk would you would you date no you 0.99

08:29:19.160 wouldn't date elon musk not my type the richest man in the world you wouldn't be the richest man

08:29:25.320 in the world would you date really going around the table would you date elon musk mind you he's a

08:29:30.280 dark dark no what does that mean he's like lux luther so okay no no okay no no would you date elon

08:29:39.400 no okay no for a long time my dream has been like i want to get high with elon musk and grimes

08:29:45.800 at the same time oh i love grimes my dream rotation would you date elon i have a conversation me yes

08:29:52.840 would you date elon really i feel like he'd go for you you know wait wait okay difference between

08:29:58.440 date and mary right just like you could go on like you're saying one date either is fine okay yeah i'd go

08:30:04.680 on one date i'd you wouldn't marry the richest man in the world that would like guarantee

08:30:09.320 the like yeah literally like that's tough thousand year dynasty it's fun to talk about

08:30:15.240 here's the reason why here's the reason why just about if i would date the richest woman in the 1.00

08:30:19.960 world and i don't even think i can have kids but for me it's not about the money like i want elon's

08:30:26.120 never around he's got a ton of women from a ton of different baby daddies it's true if okay here's 0.99

08:30:31.320 the entailment i'm doing it for them i get to i get to marry the richest woman in the world

08:30:36.120 and she's like i mean obviously like will you grant that she's like cool and we get along and

08:30:42.360 whatever sure yeah uh all i have to do is bow and i can like marry the richest woman in the world 0.99

08:30:48.440 sex with her and make her happy sure i'll do it yeah have her baby of course and live on a compound 1.00

08:30:53.240 i'm like really that attracted to elon musk like that though so i don't really think even if chat 0.99

08:30:57.400 what do you pick do you would you would you bow like bow to the rich how old is that hold on let me

08:31:03.080 say richest woman in the world how old is it richest conversation with him i'm not gonna lie

08:31:09.400 richest friends francois bettencourt mayors 99 billion whoa who's that lady i've never how old is

08:31:18.840 she whoa let me see hold on alice walton the walmart no that's hold on list of female billionaires

08:31:26.920 oh she's 71 hold on let me think about this she's french though so we can talk french together 0.98

08:31:32.680 you would you would okay so you're saying she's like 71 you would be happy having a sexual 0.98

08:31:41.080 relationship with is that your are you okay with that i mean she probably doesn't have a sex drive 1.00

08:31:45.480 anymore oh you'd be surprised it's different everyone's different for to to marry into so what uh 71 0.99

08:31:55.400 billion they're saying she's the richest damn bro you guys are slacking man richest woman she's 74 0.99

08:32:00.280 billion where's the uh the who's the one who mackenzie scott 20 only 24 bill yo mackenzie can 0.98

08:32:10.760 she can get it who's that uh jeff bezos x isn't that because she keeps donating her money she's she is 0.94

08:32:17.240 giving away a lot of money yeah uh mackenzie scott wait can you hear let me send this to you can you

08:32:22.040 pull this i'd rather i'd rather date mackenzie scott pull up what do they look like i don't even 0.96

08:32:28.520 pull the shit pull pull that up pull it up pull up the list pull up the list isn't oprah 0.93

08:32:34.760 wait chat chat do you guys would you guys be willing to like date the richest hide the thing really 0.99

08:32:39.720 quick uh can you make us bigger again francois bed and court um

08:32:45.000 um scroll down so julia kosh wow they're they're doing her a lot of favors in that photo that that

08:32:54.680 must be from like 20 years ago 62 62 alice walton 75 alice is kind of a babe though so she can get it

08:33:02.600 jack what jacqueline mars oh like the chocolate or the candy people yeah uh jack oh she's 85 bro

08:33:10.760 i mean yeah for i mean how long can she like keep kicking you know hey you'll probably make 1.00

08:33:18.840 her happy jackie hit me up miriam oh miriam's kind of hot bro i don't know click on that photo of

08:33:24.600 miriam miriam is pretty hot she's kind of hot bro i mean it was better when it was small this photo was

08:33:30.760 a bit smaller you know like pretty from afar but far from but i'm just kidding i'm kidding miriam don't 0.99

08:33:36.280 have a for 79 hitman kill me uh suzanne damn the hair's all fucked up gina what's up gina she 1.00

08:33:46.440 why do you say that about no man 27 27 bill that's a lot suzanne's hair is cute don't play with her 1.00

08:33:53.000 that chick's a milf damn man i'm just thinking like look i i want to set up my kids 1.00

08:34:01.880 kids you can't look away from a billion dollars like these people got multi-billion dollars like 0.99

08:34:09.480 that is generational dynasty levels of wealth that's true so do you actually love this woman

08:34:17.400 are you just using her for her money oh yeah just using them for that so you think it's completely

08:34:21.800 okay when women marry for the money oh my god guys i'm kind of like bantering here but like

08:34:26.360 um no i'm not i think like golding is like lame or whatever but it's okay if you do it yes you're 1.00

08:34:33.880 right i'm a fucking hypocrite i'm a fucking hypocrite i will marry a billionaire for the money 1.00

08:34:41.880 my dms are open billionaire ladies on that list you know what i'll even take i'll 1.00

08:34:47.400 fucking bettin court mayors i'll take your last name bro mayors mayors i'll take i'll take the last 0.98

08:34:54.280 name well there you go i will take okay all right let me get let let me come through 0.99

08:35:00.120 in not wrong underscore on underscore x donated 21 dollars woman in white might actually be out 1.00

08:35:07.480 harded number two to reiterate you are insanely racist look inward this whole panel was illogical

08:35:13.560 and confrontational rather than trying to understand boom chair three based boom rusted yeah on the on 0.77

08:35:22.440 the billionaire thing like i know people in the chat would be like no i wouldn't do it but i just

08:35:26.520 think like okay so if i get together with a billionaire i can stop working today and like

08:35:31.960 live the most like i could just travel never have to work another day in my life if the all i have to

08:35:39.560 do is like hit a bow like once a day yeah what if she wants you to submit and stay in the kitchen 1.00

08:35:43.960 and do her laundry and you can't travel about he's in charge and it's not conditional wait honestly

08:35:52.520 though like i i have to think about it like okay she wants me to cook cook clean be a little woman 1.00

08:35:59.080 can you cook no but hold on she's a billionaire what i ain't cooking you submit to your woman 1.00

08:36:05.080 she wants she wants a traditional house no household no she's a billionaire she can hire a 1.00

08:36:11.960 maid you don't know i will hire a maid i will hire her staff i'm just there to be her sex toy what the 1.00

08:36:18.040 fuck bro what the whoa you heard it here today the truth is coming out you heard it yo heard it here 1.00

08:36:23.720 here brian's the gold digger i'm a sex toy i'm gonna use you for your money and this boy toy 1.00

08:36:32.360 that's not a bad deal right boy toy for a billionaire honestly i would love that for you 0.99

08:36:37.640 their own thank you thank you this is the uh drizzle drizzle or whatever the drizzle drizzle the 0.94

08:36:44.760 what's the what is the i don't know it's like from seven months ago some bullshit uh okay sprinkle 0.54

08:36:51.400 brian's burrito donated 19 dollars and 99 cents starting from jade from victorious opposite brian

08:36:59.000 three without tattoo eight three four six four five low key eight sad that so many of you are three

08:37:08.280 hundred and fours f save me from brian please oh the burrito thank you man appreciate it lol paladins

08:37:16.920 donated twenty dollars number two joyful have an inherent advantage because of their ethnicity

08:37:23.320 you don't need to apologize for being a puppy but you have to acknowledge that it gives you advantages

08:37:29.640 this is literally what you said joe murphy donated twenty dollars second lady on the right this young

08:37:37.720 lady has no idea what marxist ideologies are don't play the victim card unless you are familiar what true

08:37:44.760 oppression is don't be a group identity victim micah carly donated twenty dollars second chick you have 1.00

08:37:53.880 no greater privilege than anyone with darker skin you sound foolish and racism removes accountability for 0.98

08:38:01.000 blacks blame poor choices like children out of wedlock and fatherlessness ghost logistics donated 0.99

08:38:08.680 twenty twenty dollars i raise my seventeen year old son alone since two point five months old dated the girl 0.95

08:38:16.840 for a week she lied about birth control seven lawsuits two jail stints false claim fighting the grandparents 0.90

08:38:26.440 no child support roth donated twenty dollars it's perfectly fine to take pride in what you are

08:38:34.840 no matter what your ancestors did in italian irish and french hashtag mutt lives matter hashtag eyebrows

08:38:43.560 matter joe murphy donated twenty dollars ladies having multiple orgasms with a solid partner is a great

08:38:52.440 sign of pair bonding sleeping with too many men will most certainly decrease a female's ability to pair 1.00

08:38:58.440 bond with a partner that's not true big sass energy donated twenty dollars chair two

08:39:04.840 the american asian makes more on average than the american white you're not oppressed door i never

08:39:10.760 said i was guys i never said i want to go back to that pair bonding thing uh santo underscore

08:39:16.840 clause donated twenty dollars brianne is on fire oh my god brianne is on fire thank you santa claus

08:39:24.120 he's on fire pair bonding is not a thing it's not a thing that's definitely a thing it's not a no just

08:39:32.920 because look just because you

08:39:36.040 destroyed your pair bonding ability it does not mean it's not a thing okay that's not true

08:39:40.200 because i just admit it hi my partner more than i've ever loved anybody else in my life you what

08:39:49.320 huh i love my partner more than i've loved anyone else in my life i fight so you're pair bonded with

08:39:54.280 your partner absolutely oh so pair bonding is a thing i'm saying that it me being with multiple

08:40:00.120 partners has not decreased my ability to pair bond so the fact that they're saying yes yes body count

08:40:09.800 still my my body count yeah yeah currently yeah i think it's like 29 okay i don't know i have to sit

08:40:16.040 and think about that for a second more than 10 more than 20 more than 10 more than 30 i don't know

08:40:22.760 about more than yeah more than 10 could be more than a thousand and that's 20 men and nine women by the

08:40:27.160 the way i don't i have i would have to go back into my history into my database do you mean like

08:40:32.600 my database your bullodex uh do you keep a note thing i know i don't really think about how many

08:40:41.880 people i've been with yeah just like start okay there was billy and there was oh that's my dad's

08:40:46.040 name please never say that again um your dad's name would be billy i know you're such a billy daughter

08:40:52.600 i am okay okay you can go and i'll think about it okay i'll come back to you body count i'm not

08:40:59.640 comfortable with saying am i allowed to please i please you're allowed to do whatever you want

08:41:05.400 girl i just i i i'm not comfortable reason if brian might get red it's it's just it's just it's just

08:41:11.800 within my morals to not share that with a ton of people it's not like i'm ashamed it's just that

08:41:16.200 i just am not comfortable with it you know what i will no okay what about you brian what is your

08:41:22.040 pin number huh what is your pin number

08:41:28.120 the point is it's personal information what it's really personal so if i share you my pin number

08:41:33.640 you'll actually sorry the last four digits of your socials to your number yeah how about the whole social

08:41:39.640 right oh yeah how about your routing number does everyone know yours though do you share that no he

08:41:46.040 doesn't oh yeah what's yours see so not it's okay if you don't is there a reason why you haven't

08:41:53.880 been pair bonded brian have you been sleeping around too much listen i don't know he's getting

08:41:59.720 it ladies and gentlemen a lot i'm a virgin okay i'm just looking for a girl to like be my first and if

08:42:04.520 you don't want to if you don't want to like share yours i'm not going to assume that yours is

08:42:08.440 automatically high maybe you're just not comfortable sharing so that's okay maybe like i'm a virgin or

08:42:14.680 something maybe it's in the middle but it's no one else's business there's the internet now it'll teach

08:42:18.920 you 35 year old virgin uh body count what's your social security number

08:42:26.440 okay uh body count i will not disclose that for so many reasons where do you want me to start

08:42:31.160 i mean you could subscribe to my only fans you can start counting all the men that would be pretty

08:42:37.400 damn close i mean give or take a few yeah it'd be pretty damn close okay body count six thank you

08:42:42.920 thank you you're a legend thank you for sharing mine's between zero and five so four between and 0.98

08:42:49.880 you have to like you're not counting like the times you're drunk and like the times you're like oh

08:42:56.280 like he used a condom that doesn't count uh just the tip really like what difference does it make 0.99

08:43:02.760 like i could even tell you a number but like i could just pull that number out of my ass you have 0.99

08:43:07.240 no way of knowing whether i made that up or not sure yeah you could lie about it yeah and you're not 0.96

08:43:11.480 sharing yours part of the whole lifestyle is being kind of balanced and even so if you're not going

08:43:18.200 to share don't can you boost yesterday you said tomorrow so just oh do it make your dreams come

08:43:25.560 just do it make your just do it don't let your dreams be dreams what's yours some people dream

08:43:31.960 success some people you're gonna wake up and work hard at nothing is impossible is that a ponytail

08:43:39.960 it's a rat tail no that's so funny stop there no what are you waiting for he has a rat

08:43:47.720 tail that's crazy my i remember my sixth grade teacher he had like three rat tails yes you can

08:43:55.480 yeah um and a wart yes you can what's your body count i will give you a two dollar bill if you

08:44:03.560 reveal the body count no thank you do you know how much this is worth two dollars don't it's not

08:44:10.040 within my it's not within my saboteur it's not with sabotage over here it's not within my morals to

08:44:15.720 share that to a bunch of people i i'm sorry i'm not sorry i i don't i'm not just not comfortable

08:44:21.240 with it what about you you want a two dollar bill you know how much this is worth your social security 0.86

08:44:26.600 number i'm not gonna stop uh did you figure it out you had to like do the fucking math or whatever 0.98

08:44:33.640 11 12 yeah i really had to go back in my brain somewhere around there i was at 10 before i met 0.99

08:44:42.680 my boyfriend and we built numbers together i'm a horrible dirty slut i'm so sorry 1.00

08:44:49.480 oh why i mean i i guess it's cool that you're like self-aware or whatever but like i don't know 0.91

08:44:54.760 why you just said that do you want to say it again no i mean they're going to say it in the 0.89

08:44:59.480 chat already wait look at look into this camera and say it i'm a bad bitch and my body count doesn't 1.00

08:45:04.600 define who i am oh my god what's your body count just do it i don't know how about how about we 0.98

08:45:12.200 sleep together and you tell me what you think it is afterwards no comment okay i think brian has a 0.87

08:45:21.800 type i only date black women i won't bow i'm not bowing i'm not bowing you bow then maybe double 0.76

08:45:32.040 hunks donated 19.99 cents chair two being a midwit reddit brain stuck in 2020 is no way to go through 0.95

08:45:40.600 life absolute goober like i'm in a tardy doubt time machine listening to you brian thanks for

08:45:47.400 whatever and all you do yeah thank you man really appreciate it goober is really cute o.j simpson

08:45:53.160 donated 20 dollars chair three you seem nice you can put your dog collar back on

08:45:59.640 thank you man lol paladins donated 20 dollars chair number two won't give a real apology for

08:46:12.280 appropriating the glasses because woke ideology isn't actually about real oppression it's just

08:46:18.120 about having power and she wants more power through any means interesting take interesting

08:46:26.600 some whatever stick

08:46:31.080 donated 20.69 what was that that was

08:46:39.080 it's so weird can somebody do the uh

08:46:41.880 sprinkler it sounds like they're doing the glock glock

08:46:45.400 oh lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol

08:47:15.400 smart hoe at the store. Didn't see 1.00

08:47:17.440 you there. You must have been in the

08:47:19.300 dumb hoe section. Is that one about me 1.00

08:47:21.440 too? No, it's about her because she said she's a smart 0.99

08:47:23.300 hoe. Right? Didn't she say that? 0.97

08:47:25.300 Yeah. Yeah. One more E0

08:47:27.560 169 donated

08:47:29.540 $20. No,

08:47:31.340 definitely not chair one and FYI

08:47:33.500 when females are legit on their knees 1.00

08:47:35.560 that's technically bowing down. That's what I

08:47:37.460 said and I do that multiple

08:47:39.400 times a day sometimes.

08:47:41.320 Lol Paladins donated $20.

08:47:43.720 Just because I'm tired of 1.00

08:47:45.340 dealing with the stupidity of chair number 1.00

08:47:47.420 two. Kiki is the second 1.00

08:47:49.340 smartest Kiki to show up on this 1.00

08:47:51.460 podcast.

08:47:55.440 That was Kiki. 1.00

08:47:56.600 Ghost logistics donated $20.

08:47:59.600 I'm all the sixes FYI.

08:48:01.980 Learned on stick shift.

08:48:03.700 I'm a good guy. Handsome

08:48:05.600 they say but wanted a ride or die.

08:48:08.260 You're all cute but

08:48:09.360 until y'all understand you were built to

08:48:11.320 help your men, we superb

08:48:13.140 biking past y'all.

08:48:15.340 Thank you guys.

08:48:16.600 Toast donated $20.

08:48:18.360 That's not a marriage.

08:48:19.940 It's a mockery of one.

08:48:22.480 Well, it's been working out

08:48:23.720 this far so.

08:48:25.640 Yeah, how long is your marriage?

08:48:27.840 Boom. Roasted toast.

08:48:29.160 How long is your marriage, Toast?

08:48:31.180 Joe Murphy donated $20.

08:48:33.380 Thank you, Joe.

08:48:33.800 The lady who braged in teaching a man 1.00

08:48:35.940 to drive a stick.

08:48:37.460 Just to be clear, are we talking about

08:48:39.400 a three-gear reverse mini-jeep?

08:48:42.040 Sold a Tractor S for $2,500.

08:48:45.620 I'm pretty sure that is for teenagers.

08:48:49.020 I mean, yeah, farm stuff is different.

08:48:51.500 Lol Paladins donated $20.

08:48:54.240 Brian, hear me out.

08:48:55.840 She's 71.

08:48:57.140 But she's actually pretty good looking 1.00

08:48:59.120 for 71.

08:48:59.900 Probably not as good looking

08:49:01.980 as she will be at 81.

08:49:03.420 But that's a lot of money.

08:49:06.260 It's a lot.

08:49:07.240 She has donated $20.

08:49:09.500 Elon is African-American, 0.75

08:49:11.140 so chair to being the racist 0.87

08:49:12.600 now not wanting to date him. 0.92

08:49:14.520 It's because he's a Trump supporter,

08:49:16.020 not because he's African-American.

08:49:17.880 Do you have a celebrity crush?

08:49:23.280 No, not currently.

08:49:25.320 Nobody?

08:49:26.280 Florence Pugue.

08:49:29.340 Chris Brown.

08:49:30.960 Wait, what?

08:49:31.900 Chris Brown.

08:49:32.460 Chris Brown?

08:49:33.280 The whole, like, woman-beating thing, 0.99

08:49:35.360 doesn't it? 1.00

08:49:36.140 He could beat his pussy up any day. 1.00

08:49:38.560 Wait, wait, wait. 1.00

08:49:39.860 Whoa.

08:49:41.400 Here.

08:49:42.160 Can you see that camera right there?

08:49:44.780 I want you to look into that camera

08:49:47.260 and say,

08:49:48.500 Chris Brown,

08:49:50.040 you can beat that.

08:49:51.780 Say it.

08:49:52.080 Go ahead.

08:49:52.660 For real?

08:49:53.320 Yeah, say it.

08:49:53.780 Chris Brown, 1.00

08:49:54.280 you could beat this pussy up any time. 1.00

08:49:58.100 Bro. 1.00

08:49:58.740 What?

08:49:59.540 Bro. 1.00

08:50:00.980 Well, damn, 1.00

08:50:03.220 I hope you're into fisting. 0.99

08:50:06.200 Okay, that was a good one.

08:50:07.680 That was a good one.

08:50:09.980 It was okay.

08:50:10.900 I'm sorry.

08:50:12.400 That's crazy.

08:50:13.320 What's his song?

08:50:15.560 His big song?

08:50:16.940 There's so many.

08:50:19.040 There's so many.

08:50:20.600 Did you fall in love with him

08:50:22.260 when he sang that song?

08:50:24.160 It was something like,

08:50:25.800 This was years ago.

08:50:28.200 Something about, like,

08:50:29.460 Oh, what's that song from that song?

08:50:30.840 Or the lyric from that song?

08:50:32.320 So close.

08:50:32.820 Which one?

08:50:33.200 Yeah, it's so good.

08:50:33.820 How does the melody go?

08:50:35.500 It was the Jose and Loyal song.

08:50:37.660 Oh. 0.98

08:50:40.160 Something about broke bitches, 1.00

08:50:41.420 but I don't fuck broke bitches. 1.00

08:50:43.700 You said that? 1.00

08:50:44.300 I don't remember the lyrics.

08:50:45.800 How's it go?

08:50:46.840 Chat, chat, chat, chat, chat.

08:50:48.120 Chat, help me out.

08:50:49.100 Oh my God, now it's going to bug me.

08:50:51.040 It's like. 1.00

08:50:51.740 But I don't fuck with broke bitches. 1.00

08:50:52.620 I know what you're talking about. 1.00

08:50:53.860 Oh, can make a broke bitch rich. 1.00

08:50:55.780 But I don't fuck with broke bitches. 1.00

08:50:57.980 Right? 1.00

08:50:58.560 Yes, yes, yes.

08:50:59.440 It is.

08:51:00.120 Yeah, was that when you just fell in love with him? 1.00

08:51:03.760 Fuck you, no. 1.00

08:51:04.680 I think it's something like that. 1.00

08:51:07.540 I don't know.

08:51:09.200 All right.

08:51:09.780 We got more coming through.

08:51:11.300 Sorry, guys.

08:51:11.960 One sec.

08:51:12.320 I'm getting these pulled up.

08:51:13.720 Yo, guys.

08:51:14.500 $20 TTS.

08:51:15.480 Streamlabs.com slash. 0.99

08:51:16.720 Oh, what the fuck? 1.00

08:51:18.320 Damn. 1.00

08:51:20.140 Sorry, guys. 0.98

08:51:21.060 One sec.

08:51:21.580 Michael Smith donated $20.

08:51:24.540 Response.

08:51:25.580 The lady in white getting lucky and finding a man that is okay with not being a provider 0.97

08:51:30.060 is not how things are going to work for most women. 1.00

08:51:33.480 Seat three's mindset is going to work out way better.

08:51:37.860 Thor donated $20.

08:51:40.080 If Spider-Man was bitten by a spider to become Spider-Man,

08:51:44.080 Chariot, can you bite me so I can be your man? 0.99

08:51:46.820 Oh.

08:51:48.160 Who's eight?

08:51:48.720 Who's eight?

08:51:49.780 One, two, three, four.

08:51:51.420 Gianna, I'm pretty sure.

08:51:52.460 It's Gianna.

08:51:53.000 Ghost Logistics donated $20.

08:51:55.880 It's my birthday.

08:51:57.700 Nothing I'd rather do after a day of going faster than a helicopter and popping over at

08:52:02.040 the range with my son than watching propagandized bots avoid the truth.

08:52:06.760 Nice without dead weight.

08:52:08.480 You have free will.

08:52:09.220 Happy birthday.

08:52:09.800 Ryan's burrito donated $19.99.

08:52:14.280 Jade, number one, you said you are looking for girlfriend. 1.00

08:52:18.340 Would your boyfriend be allowed to be with her?

08:52:20.640 Would you be looking for another man? 0.99

08:52:23.400 Or would it basically be a harem for your current man? 1.00

08:52:27.100 Yeah, I would love, love to have a girlfriend who also would fuck my man. 1.00

08:52:33.040 That would be great. 0.99

08:52:33.460 Um, I would also be open to having a couple relationships.

08:52:37.060 So I'd be dating the girl, me and the girl play around with each other's dudes.

08:52:41.500 That would be like my ideal relationship.

08:52:45.080 But yeah.

08:52:45.980 But it's not a guarantee.

08:52:47.760 Like if they don't want to.

08:52:49.220 Daniel donated $20.

08:52:50.780 On marrying the billionaire, kitten it, knock the dust off and chow down.

08:52:57.560 I just think like that amount of money is so, you can't even fathom that amount of money.

08:53:04.840 Just throw some maple lube on it.

08:53:06.680 You'll be fine.

08:53:07.360 Maple lube?

08:53:08.720 That's some pancakes, baby.

08:53:10.200 He likes them.

08:53:10.680 Whoa, really?

08:53:11.180 Like just, so you gotta think, you gotta think on the individual level, like it totally frees you from ever having to work a day in your life again.

08:53:20.740 Not only that, your quality of life is going to be like so absolutely insane.

08:53:26.140 You never have any anxiety or any concerns about anything related to financials ever again.

08:53:32.760 Like hundreds, if not thousands of generations after you absent some sort of catastrophe.

08:53:37.600 Maybe your financial, your children's and children's, et cetera, et cetera.

08:53:42.600 Like generations down, their financial security is set.

08:53:47.820 I mean, that's like you've just essentially won it life basically.

08:53:50.820 What if she does OnlyFans? 0.99

08:53:52.600 This 81-year-old lady that you're trying to get down with. 1.00

08:53:55.480 So like how about like 25-year-old OnlyFans girl but she's like a billionaire versus like old lady billionaire who's not a sex worker. 1.00

08:54:05.920 This is an interesting one. 0.98

08:54:07.600 Oh man, look, a billion dollars is a fuckton of money.

08:54:12.960 It's a lot of money. 0.56

08:54:15.000 I ain't saying he a gold digger but he ain't messing with no problem.

08:54:18.320 It is an interesting, it is interesting though because if like, say okay, the criticisms of the OnlyFans girls, like they're, it's like yeah, you're making good money.

08:54:25.800 Well, some of them do, not all of them.

08:54:27.600 You're making good money, like but would a guy be willing to like date an OF girl? 1.00

08:54:31.740 Well, it's a bit different, I feel like.

08:54:36.060 Still like an interesting hypothetical.

08:54:39.300 Yo, chat, would you do it?

08:54:40.360 Okay, billionaire, OnlyFans girl. 1.00

08:54:43.800 What's the extent for OF like fucked other dudes on camera type or just like pussy pics or whatever? 1.00

08:54:49.440 All of it, all of it, all of it. 0.99

08:54:49.920 Everything?

08:54:50.500 Everything.

08:54:51.900 That's a tough one.

08:54:52.900 P in the V. 0.99

08:54:54.200 That's difficult.

08:54:55.180 DVP.

08:54:55.920 That is, that's a tough one. 1.00

08:54:57.180 Holy shit. 1.00

08:54:58.340 Billionaire, generations worth of money. 1.00

08:55:00.100 But she's a billionaire, yeah, I don't know, that's a... 0.99

08:55:01.940 Your whole, the rest of your...

08:55:04.220 And she'll let you come on her face but the fight won't back.

08:55:07.320 I'm not even into that. 1.00

08:55:10.540 That's a bad place to deposit semen slash sperm. 1.00

08:55:15.920 Data upload. 0.99

08:55:17.480 Yeah.

08:55:19.980 Oh no, chat, what do you do?

08:55:21.480 Okay, so she does OnlyFans but she's a billionaire. 0.99

08:55:24.920 Like, do you accept that?

08:55:26.420 Like, would you date her, chat?

08:55:28.120 That is an interesting question.

08:55:31.840 Let us know what you guys think.

08:55:33.820 Hold on.

08:55:37.320 Nope, yes, no, no, nope, nope, no, pass, she's a D-gen, no. 1.00

08:55:49.400 Okay, let her, Kenny. 1.00

08:55:51.560 A lot of nopes.

08:55:52.820 Some yeses but a lot of nopes.

08:55:55.060 Does that just mean like no at all or they're picking the old lady billionaire over the young 0.65

08:55:59.180 OF?

08:55:59.660 I think they pick the old lady. 1.00

08:56:00.980 Well, actually, yeah, I didn't really...

08:56:02.740 Yo, chat.

08:56:03.840 Be specific.

08:56:04.220 Do you pick...

08:56:05.220 Okay, here's your choice. 0.91

08:56:07.320 Uh, marry the 70-year-old billionaire, not sex worker, or marry the 25-year-old OnlyFans

08:56:15.340 girl who's also a billionaire. 1.00

08:56:17.440 But you have to fuck both of them. 1.00

08:56:19.400 Yeah, sure. 1.00

08:56:20.820 Which do you pick?

08:56:21.860 Chat, do you pick the 70-year-old, 70-year-old, or the 25-year-old?

08:56:26.440 And to be fair, should we grant, like, you can go and have kids with somebody else?

08:56:33.680 If they're in the 50s, the 80-year-old.

08:56:35.840 Because, like, a lot of guys are going to be...

08:56:37.180 If you're not rich, you can get a surrogate.

08:56:38.080 Yeah, but a lot of guys are going to say, like, oh, okay, I can't have kids.

08:56:42.900 That's going to be a deal breaker.

08:56:44.600 That's going to be a deal breaker for guys.

08:56:46.300 You guys could definitely afford a surrogate if you had that much money.

08:56:47.420 Surrogate, adopt. 0.96

08:56:48.300 There's other things.

08:56:49.440 Yeah, but, like, she has no eggs, so, like... 1.00

08:56:51.620 What if she froze them?

08:56:53.260 I mean, so she's fine with me, like, inseminating another one.

08:56:58.620 Usually, like, that's done at a medical center. 1.00

08:57:00.860 You don't just, like, fuck the surrogate. 1.00

08:57:02.920 They don't load your dick with a cum, so... 1.00

08:57:04.600 No, I know. 1.00

08:57:05.380 But she'd be fine with me, like... 0.57

08:57:07.380 Yeah.

08:57:07.900 Mm-hmm.

08:57:09.240 And I can pick, like, the best surrogate or whatever.

08:57:13.040 Well, yeah, she's a billionaire.

08:57:13.760 You could probably pick it together, but yeah.

08:57:15.400 No, I get to pick.

08:57:16.240 Of course you do.

08:57:19.440 Uh, I don't know, guys.

08:57:21.280 70-year-olds or the OF girl?

08:57:22.840 I don't know.

08:57:23.180 Okay, I'll let the other chats come through.

08:57:26.640 Big Sass Energy donated $20.

08:57:29.780 Chair 1 is so much of a 304 that she's completely abolished her ability to pair bond. 1.00

08:57:36.280 Anyone she lays with is just as special as the previous.

08:57:39.600 That's not true, though.

08:57:41.820 Mythic Typhoon donated $20.

08:57:43.700 Brian, I think I will take your advice and participate in Passport Brothers.

08:57:49.160 Maybe then I can get an actual Christian wife, since they don't exist in America anymore. 1.00

08:57:55.120 There's some risk with the passport process.

08:57:57.040 O.J. Simpson donated $20.

08:57:59.860 Chair 1 is pretty chill.

08:58:01.740 I'd never date or marry or engage in anything with her, but she'd be a decent friend.

08:58:06.420 I wouldn't want to directly be her friend, but maybe an acquaintance I see once a year.

08:58:12.740 Wait, what?

08:58:13.240 No, I understand that.

08:58:14.740 David J donated $20.

08:58:16.320 That was funny.

08:58:16.940 Chair 2, that means you are discriminating based on a person's politics.

08:58:21.980 That's polite-cism and you are engaged in systemic hate crimes.

08:58:26.020 Lock her up, boys. 0.99

08:58:27.620 Lock her up. 0.91

08:58:28.760 Double agent donated $19.99.

08:58:33.460 FYI, seat number two is precisely why Trump won the election in a landslide.

08:58:38.800 Her elitist liberal smugness was overwhelming rejected by the country. 0.97

08:58:43.440 Work is over.

08:58:44.680 The trend is dead.

08:58:45.640 Work is over.

08:58:46.140 Thank effing God.

08:58:47.220 Can you tilt your mic down?

08:58:50.020 Do you want to respond to that?

08:58:51.720 Nah.

08:58:52.480 Nah.

08:58:52.780 He's blaming Trump's victory on you solely.

08:58:57.120 Only me.

08:58:57.480 It wasn't Kamala.

08:58:59.260 It was your fault.

08:59:00.840 Oh, did I say her name?

08:59:02.000 Like a comma, like a punctuation mark.

08:59:03.640 Oh, okay.

08:59:04.740 Kamala.

08:59:05.500 Yeah.

08:59:05.940 Yeah, she's going to be a punctuation mark in history now.

08:59:10.700 Okay.

08:59:11.480 Joe Murphy donated $20.

08:59:14.540 Ladies, hopefully you all can take away some knowledge from this whatever stream. 0.90

08:59:20.100 Best of luck for you all.

08:59:21.700 Hopefully the takeaway is to understand the fundamentals.

08:59:26.240 Objective truth, ladies. 0.97

08:59:27.740 I did learn a lot.

08:59:29.140 Ex-Ghost Utah donated $29.

08:59:32.440 Only the 25-year-old, but make her bow. 1.00

08:59:35.540 Make her bow. 0.99

08:59:36.620 Only make her bow. 0.92

08:59:37.940 So he takes the OF girl over the, what's it called?

08:59:41.940 The 70-year-olds.

08:59:46.540 Gianna, actually, yeah, we'll have Gianna read these.

08:59:49.860 Go ahead, Gianna.

08:59:50.300 So is number two's white half racist towards her Filipino side?

08:59:57.440 No, I can say that there have been things, remarks made because I'm Asian.

09:00:05.040 Stereotypes and jokes.

09:00:06.020 Internally, are you racist against yourself?

09:00:08.700 Like on the inside?

09:00:10.320 No. 0.50

09:00:10.560 Like is your white, the white part of you is like, there's a secret battle inside you where 0.99

09:00:17.700 it's like, your white self is racist against your Filipino self. 0.97

09:00:22.820 You know what I mean? 0.94

09:00:24.020 Yeah, but no.

09:00:24.480 Like that checks out, I think.

09:00:26.740 Right?

09:00:28.200 No.

09:00:28.880 Okay.

09:00:29.820 Here, go ahead.

09:00:30.980 Read this one.

09:00:31.520 Please discuss what is ideal to you.

09:00:34.440 I think everyone being virgins and get non-legally married.

09:00:39.900 Shield heart.

09:00:41.280 What is that?

09:00:41.880 Dot org.

09:00:42.880 Oh, okay.

09:00:43.780 Team VV. 0.98

09:00:45.200 It's most masculine for a man to give oral, not to want it, although it's fun. 0.96

09:00:50.640 What? 0.96

09:00:50.900 But VV is number one.

09:00:52.060 I'll agree. 0.77

09:00:52.580 More masculine for a man to give oral? 0.99

09:00:56.900 Bro, what drugs are you smoking? 0.99

09:01:02.780 What's that? 0.91

09:01:03.560 Screw it.

09:01:04.380 Knock the dust off.

09:01:05.180 Yo, Daniel, thank you for the soup chat, man.

09:01:06.580 Appreciate it.

09:01:07.460 I think he was talking about the dating the billionaire old lady.

09:01:11.520 Oh.

09:01:12.820 And according to these three or fours, it's men who sexually objectify them. 0.97

09:01:19.460 Make it make sense.

09:01:20.580 Make it make sense.

09:01:21.260 I love men.

09:01:22.140 They pay all my bills.

09:01:23.380 Yeah.

09:01:24.360 Through your self-objectification, I guess.

09:01:26.620 Yeah.

09:01:29.340 I'm a businesswoman.

09:01:30.960 I think that's a compliment, actually. 0.99

09:01:32.720 Brian, why do you have a gay face? 1.00

09:01:34.240 I think that's a compliment. 0.98

09:01:35.600 Can you?

09:01:36.020 I didn't know faces could be gay.

09:01:37.940 That's a compliment.

09:01:38.720 No, that is a compliment.

09:01:39.420 Because gay men are typically very handsome.

09:01:41.680 Yeah.

09:01:42.840 It don't sound like a compliment.

09:01:45.760 I feel like to a straight man, that's not a compliment.

09:01:48.800 I think that's so sweet.

09:01:49.660 Thank you, man.

09:01:50.240 Thank you, you know.

09:01:51.260 Um, yeah.

09:01:54.220 It's like saying someone has a bi face.

09:01:56.340 What does that mean?

09:01:56.940 Gonna have to go with neither.

09:01:58.880 It's unrealistic that either woman would be a sugar mama and let a man live off of her money. 0.98

09:02:07.060 Thank you, Desert Joe. 1.00

09:02:08.120 You're a fucking legend. 1.00

09:02:09.660 I don't know. 1.00

09:02:10.040 I feel like your mom might not feel that way.

09:02:12.880 Should, would be a sugar mama and let a man. 1.00

09:02:15.160 I mean, that's just a hypothetical, Desert Joe.

09:02:18.860 I'm more, where's Swamp Joe?

09:02:20.700 I'm trying to meet Swamp, like, see what Swamp Joe's up to.

09:02:25.040 Sorry, that was a terrible joke.

09:02:26.500 Women beat a donated $20.

09:02:28.480 Oh, wait.

09:02:29.380 I gotta stick that.

09:02:30.460 Hold on.

09:02:32.260 I gotta, wait.

09:02:33.440 Um, oh, he was doing the song.

09:02:35.660 Yeah.

09:02:36.360 Oh, the.

09:02:38.080 Can, can a white person, I don't think they should, but like, can a white person say that

09:02:48.040 word if it's in a song?

09:02:50.900 Say what?

09:02:51.280 I'm just, I don't know if it's okay.

09:02:52.600 I don't think it's okay.

09:02:53.640 I don't think it's okay, but I'm just asking.

09:02:55.420 I don't think so.

09:02:56.000 I don't think so.

09:02:56.780 I know.

09:02:57.120 Like, do I have, so, do I just like bleep it?

09:03:00.340 Like.

09:03:00.480 Just don't say it.

09:03:01.240 It's not hard.

09:03:01.800 You just stop singing for a second.

09:03:02.900 It's not that hard.

09:03:03.500 It's like, I'm trying to think of a, like, Coolio.

09:03:05.740 Like, what's his, um, he's been spending most of our lives living in a gangster's paradise.

09:03:14.620 You know that song?

09:03:15.580 Yeah.

09:03:16.020 Living in a gangster's paradise.

09:03:18.120 Yeah.

09:03:18.780 Like, can.

09:03:19.880 Just skip over it.

09:03:20.860 It's really not hard.

09:03:24.160 I'm trying to think of a song that.

09:03:26.440 Yeah, I don't think he says it in that song.

09:03:28.360 I don't think he says it in that song.

09:03:29.880 But I do know what you're talking about. 0.95

09:03:30.440 I am thinking about, what about Fuck the Police by N.W.A. 0.97

09:03:36.860 Can I sing that song? 0.99

09:03:38.600 You can sing every word except the one word that you're not supposed to sing.

09:03:41.160 So what part of the song says that word?

09:03:46.580 Or you could, you know, if you're going to say the, you know that one song?

09:03:50.260 It's, you know, with the, instead of saying that word, you could say, well, civilians in Paris.

09:03:56.800 Civilians in Paris.

09:04:00.580 Pedestrians in Paris.

09:04:01.880 Have you heard of BPT by YG?

09:04:04.460 Yeah.

09:04:04.680 The beginning of the song literally has it.

09:04:08.140 Women beta donated $20.

09:04:10.500 Oh, my God.

09:04:11.000 These hoes ain't loyal. 1.00

09:04:12.640 Just got rich.

09:04:13.860 Took a broke flowers bish.

09:04:15.540 I can make a broke bish rich, but I don't unicorn with broke bishes. 1.00

09:04:19.760 These hoes ain't loyal. 1.00

09:04:20.920 Apparently this new thing on Streamlabs, it'll change.

09:04:26.020 Instead of just starring out the word, it'll change it.

09:04:29.360 So, so the flat.

09:04:30.960 Okay.

09:04:31.380 All right.

09:04:31.680 That's cool.

09:04:32.580 That's cool.

09:04:33.080 GMD Jim donated $20.

09:04:37.620 Brickson, all the 304s are finally wearing off on you. 1.00

09:04:41.760 The idea that your dignity and values may have a price is crazy, son.

09:04:46.220 There is no amount of money in the world to make me drop my values.

09:04:50.220 Jim.

09:04:51.880 Here's the thing, Jim.

09:04:54.600 Yo, Desmond.

09:04:55.460 Let me ask you a question, Desmond.

09:04:56.820 Yeah. 0.99

09:04:57.060 Would you do something gay for a billion dollars? 0.99

09:05:02.300 No. 0.99

09:05:03.160 Desmond, be honest, bro.

09:05:04.560 I would not.

09:05:05.640 Desmond, that's not what you told me yesterday.

09:05:08.180 Nah.

09:05:09.100 Desmond, bro, why are you lying on camera?

09:05:10.840 I'll give you one reason why. 1.00

09:05:12.140 If someone were to ask you how you come up with all this money, you'd have to say, you're gay. 1.00

09:05:19.320 You're gay for money. 1.00

09:05:20.520 You're gay for money. 1.00

09:05:21.740 It's different when you're gay for money. 1.00

09:05:23.640 No, that's embarrassing. 0.92

09:05:25.120 Why is that embarrassing?

09:05:26.140 It's okay.

09:05:27.060 It's okay to be gay.

09:05:27.840 It's 2024. 0.95

09:05:28.600 You can be a little gay. 0.98

09:05:29.940 It's cool. 0.94

09:05:30.880 It's just that it's just not what he wants.

09:05:32.380 That's kind of what you said, though.

09:05:33.380 It's cool, man. 0.99

09:05:34.320 You can do something a little gay for... 0.99

09:05:36.360 No, that's not what I said. 0.69

09:05:37.360 But, I mean, yeah, I would rather just say, like, oh, I've worked for this, you know.

09:05:42.260 You can lie.

09:05:42.960 But, like, how far do you push, like, what won't, what would you not be willing to do

09:05:47.280 for a billion dollars?

09:05:48.460 Like, one finger.

09:05:52.960 I'm good, I'm good.

09:05:54.080 Well, there you go.

09:05:54.920 That's his preference.

09:05:55.620 Like, because I think about that, right?

09:05:57.680 I don't know. 1.00

09:05:58.140 People, like, have their price on shit. 1.00

09:06:00.860 I would never do anything to my dog for a billion dollars. 1.00

09:06:03.500 That's where I would draw the line.

09:06:06.480 So, if somebody was like, kill your dog for a billion dollars, I'd be like, absolutely not.

09:06:09.180 I'm not thinking about it, maybe this is greedy, but I'm thinking about it in a sort of, like,

09:06:15.700 okay, with a billion dollars, I can set up my children.

09:06:20.740 You know what I mean?

09:06:21.740 Like, I would do things I don't want to do for my kids.

09:06:26.340 So, you have a price. 0.99

09:06:27.620 So, according to Andrew, you have a prostitute mentality. 1.00

09:06:29.940 But not for, like, necessarily, like, I mean, maybe it can be viewed as greedy that I would 0.96

09:06:35.680 do something for my kids.

09:06:39.020 Like, how bad are we talking?

09:06:40.860 I don't know.

09:06:41.400 Like, murder?

09:06:41.900 I don't know.

09:06:44.300 You don't know?

09:06:45.360 I don't know.

09:06:45.840 I don't know where the line is. 0.95

09:06:47.240 Would you do something gay for a billion dollars? 0.97

09:06:49.720 I don't know where the line is, bro. 0.99

09:06:51.180 Would you do something gay for a billion dollars? 0.97

09:06:52.720 I think most men, they just won't admit it on the internet when everyone's watching.

09:06:54.880 Men are doing this for free, like. 0.56

09:06:57.720 I don't know. 0.99

09:06:58.160 Chat, would you do something gay for a billion dollars? 0.99

09:07:02.300 Absolutely. 0.99

09:07:03.000 Come on.

09:07:03.240 Oh, my God.

09:07:03.820 You know what would be? 0.99

09:07:04.740 What if you, like, tweezed by yourself every single ass hair you had for a billion dollars? 0.99

09:07:10.580 I'll do that. 0.99

09:07:12.140 I'll do that for a billion dollars, sure.

09:07:14.680 How long would it take?

09:07:16.900 Depends on how high you're the guy.

09:07:18.060 How high are you, Brian?

09:07:19.700 Okay.

09:07:20.340 Don't get too excited.

09:07:21.380 Okay. 0.99

09:07:22.720 I would, shit. 1.00

09:07:26.600 You could pluck all the pubes for a billion dollars. 1.00

09:07:31.140 I mean, women do it all the time, so it's not that bad. 1.00

09:07:33.380 Yeah, I don't think plucking is, like, that painful, so whatever.

09:07:37.040 With a tweezer.

09:07:39.900 Not waxing.

09:07:41.120 Like, plucking it with a tweezer. 0.99

09:07:41.660 I'm just saying, man.

09:07:42.820 Each pube.

09:07:43.300 Like, a billion dollars.

09:07:45.560 Okay.

09:07:47.400 So, everyone has their price.

09:07:48.980 That's what we've learned today on the Whatever Podcast.

09:07:51.240 Except for that one dude. 0.70

09:07:52.500 No gay, like, nothing. 1.00

09:07:53.400 On the internet. 0.86

09:07:55.880 Bro, I'm just asking the chat.

09:07:57.280 The chat's freaking out.

09:07:58.080 The chat's freaking out, man.

09:07:59.700 I'm just bantering, guys. 0.99

09:08:01.180 Holy shit. 0.99

09:08:03.540 Big Sass Energy donated $20. 1.00

09:08:06.760 Cher 2's half-white self is guilty of generational and systemic racism. 0.51

09:08:11.560 She is part of the problem.

09:08:13.280 She is also culturally appropriating people that are vision impaired.

09:08:17.800 Yep.

09:08:18.580 Cultural appropriation.

09:08:20.040 There's a benefit to me wearing these glasses.

09:08:21.860 They're protecting my eyeballs.

09:08:24.020 I'm just saying, bro.

09:08:24.920 You owe me reparations, man.

09:08:26.560 Like, as somebody who has poor vision and who wears glasses.

09:08:31.100 You should get free glasses for the rest of your life.

09:08:32.960 Free contacts for the rest of your life.

09:08:33.880 Yeah, you should pay for it, though.

09:08:34.960 I mean, that seems fair, you know.

09:08:36.860 I'm just saying, you're very privileged.

09:08:38.140 Joe Murphy donated $20.

09:08:40.800 Ladies, if you want the 50-50 splitters feminist, please rest assured that after the dates, as a feminist first dates, the men who are chivalrous will reimburse you for 50% after sexual access. 0.98

09:08:54.020 Joe Murphy, thank you for the message.

09:08:59.060 We have this one.

09:09:00.900 Hold on.

09:09:04.160 Michael Smith donated $20.

09:09:07.040 Brian, Google Livia Forked.

09:09:09.800 Credit to you ladies for putting yourself on the show and deal with insults. 1.00

09:09:14.080 I think this at least means you are willing to hear different opinions and not trolling.

09:09:19.720 Shout out to them.

09:09:20.800 Thank you for the membership.

09:09:21.620 Dragon says, Chair One, has your dad returned from getting milk in a pack of Marlboros?

09:09:27.720 Yes, he returned, and I had Thanksgiving with him, and he loves me very, very much.

09:09:32.580 We have actually a really, really good relationship, and on his birthday, I always leave him stuff in his house, and I take him places, and I love my dad very, very much.

09:09:39.780 And my mom loves me, too.

09:09:41.060 She got me this bracelet for my birthday.

09:09:43.340 Nice.

09:09:45.400 Ghost Logistics donated $20.

09:09:48.540 Nice text bricks. 0.99

09:09:49.760 Man, what the fuck? 0.99

09:09:50.400 Easily the best tets at the table. 1.00

09:09:53.080 Magnificent track.

09:09:54.400 By the way, I'm curious.

09:09:56.740 Can you touch your elbows together?

09:09:59.140 Bet you can't.

09:10:00.480 Shake that dumpy.

09:10:01.660 No, but Gianna over here has a certain talent that I think we're... 0.99

09:10:06.560 You want to try it on?

09:10:07.320 You said on the table or something?

09:10:08.960 Yeah. 1.00

09:10:09.360 We're going to have to do it at the end of the show, though, because if shit gets all fucked up. 0.99

09:10:11.820 G-M-D-Gym donated $20, and your children would know for the rest of their lives that you only married their mother for money, and another generation of D-Gyns is born. 0.99

09:10:23.380 Break the cycle, Brixen.

09:10:24.880 That's a good argument.

09:10:25.840 That's a good argument.

09:10:27.740 You could just not tell them, though.

09:10:30.240 That's true.

09:10:31.540 People lie to their kids all the time.

09:10:32.960 You could just...

09:10:35.420 Oh, my gosh.

09:10:36.580 I loved her wrinkles.

09:10:38.800 That's when I knew she was the one.

09:10:41.400 I spelled my name.

09:10:42.240 When she was going through menopause.

09:10:43.860 I just knew.

09:10:45.700 No more periods.

09:10:46.800 That's just straight to the pool.

09:10:47.260 Yeah, she was like, the menopause?

09:10:50.180 I knew.

09:10:53.560 Okay.

09:10:55.260 Otis Strutwood donated $20.

09:10:58.220 Guess who invented glasses? 0.97

09:10:59.660 This is Benjamin Franklin, some racist white dude who helps people see how horrible he is because of his skin. 0.99

09:11:06.540 Guys, I'm not saying white people are horrible. 0.99

09:11:08.680 I'm saying we have inherent privilege.

09:11:11.400 I thought some guy in the Middle East created glasses way before Benjamin Franklin, but that was just an American invention.

09:11:17.940 I'm going to blast through a couple final notes here.

09:11:20.740 Going to Rogue, you said that you have crazy stories of things you've sold on OF.

09:11:25.940 Just tell us really quick, what's some of the stuff you sold on OF?

09:11:28.300 I once used to sell my spit online to people.

09:11:32.260 I had spit jars, and people loved it.

09:11:36.260 But then I was afraid, I don't know.

09:11:39.720 I just felt like it was icky after a while.

09:11:41.360 I didn't want to do it anymore.

09:11:43.040 And then I once sold a teddy bear.

09:11:45.060 This guy wanted me to buy a teddy bear and then pee on it and then vacuum seal it and send it to him.

09:11:48.980 That's crazy.

09:11:49.400 And that was $800 is what he paid me for to do that. 1.00

09:11:53.360 Holy shit. 0.99

09:11:54.340 Excuse me? 0.99

09:11:55.160 Yeah. 1.00

09:11:55.720 Damn. 1.00

09:11:56.260 P? 1.00

09:11:56.600 And then like underwear, guys will pay for that. 0.60

09:12:00.620 What else?

09:12:01.640 Socks.

09:12:02.720 Guys will pay for that. 1.00

09:12:03.720 That's fucking disgusting. 1.00

09:12:05.800 Men are gross. 1.00

09:12:06.560 Yeah, why are we blaming her when it's men that are paying for this shit and want this shit? 1.00

09:12:11.020 I can't believe they'd want, exactly. 1.00

09:12:12.160 Oh, I blame the men, too.

09:12:16.080 Oh, good. 0.98

09:12:17.760 Old pee smells so bad. 0.97

09:12:19.900 That is so true. 0.65

09:12:21.280 This one guy wanted me to like eat.

09:12:23.460 Put that on a Hallmark card.

09:12:24.880 This guy wanted me to eat like sour candy and like Starburst and chew them up and then put them in a jar and send it to him.

09:12:31.420 Such a specific.

09:12:31.920 He used to put it in his smoothies in the morning is what he told me.

09:12:34.340 Ew.

09:12:34.920 Are you serious?

09:12:35.660 Yeah, I swear.

09:12:36.760 That's.

09:12:37.500 So he has like part of your DNA is in him.

09:12:39.520 Yeah, I think he likes that part of it.

09:12:40.920 He's like eating it.

09:12:41.440 Yeah.

09:12:42.640 Prison. 1.00

09:12:43.060 What the fuck are you doing here? 1.00

09:12:45.160 But you know what? 0.99

09:12:46.520 The people that I did send spit jars to, I like brushed my teeth really good.

09:12:50.080 Oh, that's good.

09:12:50.740 And I flossed and I used mouthwash because I wanted to make sure that I was prime stuff.

09:12:53.880 So the spit smelled good.

09:12:55.100 That's amazing.

09:12:56.760 I'm proud of you.

09:12:57.740 Thank you.

09:13:00.100 Madison, into your notes.

09:13:01.420 We'll try to be quick on these.

09:13:02.700 How you met your husband.

09:13:03.480 Quick story. 1.00

09:13:04.560 Basically, we met because his reputation preceded him that he has a really large cock. 0.99

09:13:10.120 And so I was assigned to get a photo of it. 0.99

09:13:14.580 And because I wasn't just going to ask him to drop his pants in the middle of the party.

09:13:18.200 So that became a fun little mission.

09:13:20.820 And then we hooked up and really hit it off.

09:13:23.220 And the rest is history.

09:13:24.700 Good for you.

09:13:25.520 It's true, though. 0.82

09:13:25.940 And I met her because we were at a swingers place, Twist. 1.00

09:13:29.340 And my boyfriend saw her with his dick and was like, holy shit, babe. 1.00

09:13:34.560 Look at that dude's dick. 1.00

09:13:35.600 It's always the guys that comment first. 0.99

09:13:37.840 Even when they're straight, it's always the guys that point it out first.

09:13:41.720 It's like such they can't focus on anything else. 1.00

09:13:44.260 They're like, holy shit, that's a big dick. 1.00

09:13:46.580 And then we became friends. 1.00

09:13:47.980 Yeah.

09:13:48.420 Yeah.

09:13:51.040 Guys commenting.

09:13:52.040 Oh, you talked catfished by a couple in San Mateo.

09:13:54.900 Is that?

09:13:55.500 Yeah.

09:13:56.020 We were on Tinder.

09:13:57.760 And we found this couple that we matched with.

09:14:01.000 And we're like, OK, let's go.

09:14:02.500 And by the time we drove there, we both really had to pee.

09:14:06.040 And so we knock on the door and they open it.

09:14:08.360 And clearly these photos were like at least 20 years old.

09:14:12.280 Not who they were representing themselves to be.

09:14:14.340 I mean, it was them, but a very long time ago.

09:14:17.840 But it was kind of like.

09:14:18.640 You got bamboozled.

09:14:19.540 Oh, yeah, for sure.

09:14:20.740 But it was like, OK, can I use your bathroom?

09:14:23.100 Yeah.

09:14:24.040 So my husband goes inside.

09:14:25.780 He's the restroom.

09:14:26.580 I'm like, this is super awkward.

09:14:28.260 And so then I end up just like chatting with them.

09:14:31.220 We didn't have sex with them.

09:14:32.520 Do you guys slowly, slowly leave? 0.69

09:14:33.880 You guys didn't smash?

09:14:34.820 Like as they're like talking.

09:14:35.600 They didn't have people.

09:14:36.720 We hung up with them and talked to them. 1.00

09:14:38.660 But no, we did not fuck them. 1.00

09:14:40.680 They were like grandparents. 1.00

09:14:41.260 Multiple IUD mishaps?

09:14:42.880 Oh, yeah. 1.00

09:14:43.380 That's just, again, because his penis is so large. 1.00

09:14:45.840 There's been multiple incidences. 1.00

09:14:47.680 He knocked out the IUD?

09:14:49.320 Well, one of our unicorns.

09:14:50.600 That's very scary.

09:14:51.440 Like he literally did knock it out of place.

09:14:53.820 And her doctor had to like fish it out of her.

09:14:57.620 He has to measure your cervix before he goes in you.

09:14:59.940 And then a different time, actually, I think this happened twice, after having sex, even 0.71

09:15:06.660 though there was a condom involved, there was like little red dots on the tip of his 0.99

09:15:10.660 penis. 0.99

09:15:11.160 And we were like, what is that?

09:15:12.240 And then the girl's like, oh my gosh, I've seen this before. 1.00

09:15:14.880 That's from my IUD, like stabbing you in the head of your dick. 1.00

09:15:19.160 You know what, though? 1.00

09:15:20.300 Wait, when you say IUD mishaps, like he knocked it out of place or just like his PP was stabbing?

09:15:25.500 Well, there's a couple of different stories there.

09:15:27.200 For once, he knocked it out of place and then a couple other times he got like little 0.99

09:15:30.860 like bruises on the tip of his dick. 0.99

09:15:32.740 You know what, though? 1.00

09:15:33.780 Like I also have this problem.

09:15:38.020 I've encountered.

09:15:40.060 Dude, no, dude.

09:15:41.480 Desmond, bro.

09:15:43.480 No, look, I'm the first to admit like I'm totally average in the bulge, like totally average,

09:15:48.020 unremarkable, whatever. 0.68

09:15:49.300 Like I've been hooking up with girls and I've been stabbed.

09:15:52.700 You don't have a type. 1.00

09:15:54.360 You're like small, submissive women. 1.00

09:15:57.380 What? 0.88

09:15:58.040 What is that?

09:15:58.640 I'm just saying, I've been with women who have IUDs and on with different women. 0.94

09:16:03.460 Oh, okay.

09:16:04.020 With different women.

09:16:05.060 I think they either don't cut the little thing far enough. 0.99

09:16:09.220 Sometimes they got to like wrap it around the cervix or something, but they like fuck it up. 0.99

09:16:12.440 I've been stabbed, bro. 1.00

09:16:13.780 That shit hurts, dude. 1.00

09:16:15.040 Yeah. 1.00

09:16:15.580 That hurts.

09:16:17.560 I didn't have like.

09:16:19.300 How long did it hurt?

09:16:21.260 Like.

09:16:22.860 Huh?

09:16:23.180 How long did it hurt?

09:16:23.740 Oh, it just hurt in the moment.

09:16:24.800 Like there wasn't lingering pain, but it's like sharp.

09:16:26.960 It's like a sting.

09:16:28.060 Have you felt it, Desmond?

09:16:29.360 Yeah, definitely.

09:16:29.940 It's like a bee sting.

09:16:30.800 Bro. 1.00

09:16:31.660 Kneel to the fucking urine. 1.00

09:16:33.060 It hurts. 1.00

09:16:33.840 Oh, my Lord.

09:16:35.360 Yeah, man.

09:16:36.120 Like the IUDs.

09:16:38.180 I don't know.

09:16:38.780 Sometimes you got to like.

09:16:40.720 Well, they do soften over time.

09:16:42.880 But it's a plastic.

09:16:43.980 It's not like a.

09:16:44.680 Oh, the plastic one's not.

09:16:45.820 It's a wire, dude.

09:16:46.840 Yeah. 1.00

09:16:47.440 That shit stabs you, bro. 1.00

09:16:49.040 Imagine if it like went into the. 1.00

09:16:51.740 Yeah.

09:16:52.600 Luckily, I haven't had that.

09:16:53.840 But bro, I've been stabbed, son.

09:16:55.520 Y'all. 0.82

09:16:55.840 Y'all got to get your.

09:16:56.820 I can't even find it.

09:16:57.620 So I've never had a problem with someone else. 0.99

09:16:59.480 But it's not exclusive to men with large penises. 0.99

09:17:02.280 I can attest. 0.99

09:17:07.380 It's average.

09:17:08.240 Okay.

09:17:08.460 Chill out, guys.

09:17:09.240 His is like a Costco hot dog.

09:17:10.920 Soft.

09:17:12.480 Wait, mine?

09:17:13.360 No.

09:17:13.880 Hers.

09:17:14.100 Oh.

09:17:14.840 Like a Costco hot dog.

09:17:16.320 When it's soft. 1.00

09:17:17.520 Bullshit, bro. 1.00

09:17:18.120 That's the size. 1.00

09:17:19.000 Bro, look.

09:17:19.580 I get that there's like showers and growers.

09:17:21.580 Yeah, there's growers and growers.

09:17:22.300 No, he's both.

09:17:23.260 Yeah, he's definitely both.

09:17:24.260 He's a grower?

09:17:24.440 A Costco hot dog's like a foot long, bro.

09:17:26.260 Like, him soft is bigger than most guys hard. 0.99

09:17:28.040 And then he gets hard and you're like, holy shit, it gets bigger. 0.99

09:17:30.520 Yeah. 0.99

09:17:31.660 Isn't that kind of intimidating?

09:17:32.700 I'm sorry for you.

09:17:33.280 Oh, it was definitely intimidating at first, but.

09:17:36.780 Did that make him like a better or worse person?

09:17:38.180 Or at donated $20.

09:17:40.700 Which Chess 7 would obey dog RP?

09:17:43.560 ID pay a hefty amount for Daptola.

09:17:46.220 By the way, Brian, one shot Molten Core in two weeks.

09:17:49.640 Oh, yo, Molten Core.

09:17:52.480 Yeah, I don't know, dude.

09:17:54.200 We'll have to see how the roster's looking.

09:17:56.260 I mean, we have 36 signups, but whether people can actually hit 60. 0.98

09:18:00.620 Look, we can clear Molten Core with like dog shit loot. 0.98

09:18:03.400 Like Molten Core, it's super easy raid. 0.97

09:18:06.680 Like, we have good leadership, but I don't know if we'll have 40 60s.

09:18:12.460 And then, I mean, we'll see.

09:18:14.920 Okay, um, the dog collar, can I have, can I have your guys' dog collars?

09:18:19.840 No.

09:18:20.320 And I'll, I'll sell it, and I'll give you half the profit.

09:18:23.040 I like my dog collar.

09:18:23.860 I can probably like cop a thousand bucks.

09:18:26.360 I think it's pretty.

09:18:26.940 You don't want 500, you want 500 bucks?

09:18:29.560 No, I'm good.

09:18:30.360 Okay, they're $20 wish.com.

09:18:33.560 Okay, the business women, you guys are great business. 1.00

09:18:37.140 I mean, I'll sell my little collar.

09:18:38.140 Nick Fuentes donated $20.

09:18:39.920 Why do I get for a billion dollars when I just got Destiny leaked showing it for free?

09:18:46.720 I saw that.

09:18:48.300 Destiny?

09:18:49.260 I'm a little disappointed in Pixie, though.

09:18:52.200 Wait, wait, wait.

09:18:52.900 Destiny, Destiny?

09:18:54.020 Yeah, his game, well, it leaked.

09:18:58.420 He had some leaks, let's just say.

09:18:59.860 Aw, who's Destiny?

09:19:00.660 I love him.

09:19:03.920 You're right, dude.

09:19:05.080 You're right, dude.

09:19:06.140 I don't know.

09:19:07.480 Brian, you should know this.

09:19:09.220 What good does it do a man to gain the world but lose his soul?

09:19:14.920 That's true.

09:19:16.740 That's true.

09:19:17.120 That's a fair point.

09:19:17.940 That's a fair point.

09:19:18.880 I'm not saying do like, I'm just, look.

09:19:21.340 I don't know what, I'm not selling my soul if I'm like getting with like a 70-year-old, you know?

09:19:27.040 I'm doing charity.

09:19:28.940 And charity is a virtue.

09:19:33.160 Well, there you go.

09:19:33.700 So actually.

09:19:34.780 You guys are both doing charity.

09:19:36.020 I am in the right on this, I guess, because she's a 70-year-old.

09:19:41.680 She is a...

09:19:43.100 Chick's a milf. 1.00

09:19:45.000 Gil's probably more like...

09:19:46.520 Marlborough dad donated $19.99.

09:19:50.580 Fake news.

09:19:51.980 I'm still getting milk.

09:19:53.800 Not coming back to that.

09:19:55.820 Fake news.

09:19:56.540 Okay.

09:19:57.180 I mean, I'll post a picture of him on my Instagram with me and my grandma, who's 100 years old. 0.99

09:20:02.060 Oh, shit. 0.99

09:20:04.580 Alevra. 1.00

09:20:05.520 Brian eats his...

09:20:06.720 Oh, this is below the threshold.

09:20:07.960 You got to do it.

09:20:08.580 Sorry.

09:20:08.820 You got to do it at the threshold.

09:20:10.640 We got Joe Murphy here.

09:20:13.240 Joe Murphy donated $20.

09:20:15.980 It's amazing how the of ladies will manifest experiences. 0.99

09:20:19.720 Give it 10 years before the reality kicks in searching for a long-term partner. 0.83

09:20:24.380 Ladies, best of luck. 1.00

09:20:26.800 Short-term actions have long-term results.

09:20:29.320 We both have long-term partners.

09:20:31.240 Are they listening?

09:20:32.080 Yeah, they're not listening.

09:20:33.260 She's been married for 17 years.

09:20:35.340 That's a one and a seven next to each other?

09:20:38.060 If you don't know that.

09:20:41.620 Maths.

09:20:42.880 Maths.

09:20:43.520 Quick maths.

09:20:45.040 Okay, getting through the final show notes.

09:20:47.380 We're going to wrap in like 10 minutes.

09:20:49.040 Ali J, you wrote a book?

09:20:52.400 Oh my god, that's funny.

09:20:53.460 Yeah, I did.

09:20:53.860 The situationship?

09:20:54.980 Yeah.

09:20:55.400 What's it about?

09:20:56.400 My situationship.

09:20:58.600 I met this guy.

09:21:00.520 He was 34 when I met him.

09:21:03.860 So I was 21.

09:21:05.060 I was newly 21.

09:21:06.980 And he made it seem like he loved me and he wanted to be with me.

09:21:12.120 And we were talking for two years and he never made me his girlfriend.

09:21:17.140 And you wrote a book about it?

09:21:19.000 Yeah, dude.

09:21:19.980 It's so much drama.

09:21:21.400 Good for you.

09:21:21.840 Oh my god, no, there's a lot of drama with that.

09:21:23.460 Writing a book is not easy.

09:21:24.740 It took like a year to do it.

09:21:26.160 I was writing it as I was with him.

09:21:27.500 It was like my journal.

09:21:28.380 It was like a diary.

09:21:29.260 So I was just like writing out every day like, and then I like fixed it up.

09:21:32.660 You travel for, you travel for, did you used to do OF or no?

09:21:37.660 No.

09:21:38.320 You travel for a living though.

09:21:40.640 Yeah, I'm a flight attendant.

09:21:41.360 Flight attendant.

09:21:42.000 And you said you just do domestic, right?

09:21:44.780 I do international too.

09:21:46.120 Oh, international too.

09:21:47.440 Okay.

09:21:47.620 Where were you last?

09:21:52.180 Mexico.

09:21:53.680 How long did you get to stay in Mexico?

09:21:55.700 It just depends like how long they want you for.

09:21:58.800 It just depends how long they want you there for.

09:22:01.900 I've done Costa Rica for 36 hours once.

09:22:05.520 Wow.

09:22:06.140 It's, yeah.

09:22:06.860 Do you have hoes in different areas? 1.00

09:22:08.200 Yeah.

09:22:14.980 You have to.

09:22:16.180 It gets boring.

09:22:18.480 How many different area codes do you have the hoes in? 1.00

09:22:24.720 On Vegas.

09:22:27.940 Is that the ludicrous song? 0.68

09:22:28.480 Huh? 0.99

09:22:28.920 The ludicrous song? 0.87

09:22:30.520 That's funny. 0.86

09:22:31.940 The East Coast, Vegas.

09:22:34.040 Area codes are there.

09:22:34.200 That's pretty much it.

09:22:35.120 You got a hoe in Vegas. 1.00

09:22:37.240 Chicago.

09:22:37.840 Chicago.

09:22:37.960 New York, Jersey.

09:22:40.140 What's your favorite airport?

09:22:43.400 Burbank.

09:22:43.960 It's so small.

09:22:44.520 I love Burbank.

09:22:45.580 Yeah, just pretty easy.

09:22:46.160 Oh, Burbank's good.

09:22:47.040 Bob Hope?

09:22:47.680 Yeah. 1.00

09:22:48.140 I fuck with Bob Hope Airport. 1.00

09:22:49.840 I love Bob Hope. 1.00

09:22:51.220 That's my go-to. 1.00

09:22:53.220 Shit. 1.00

09:22:55.080 Okay. 1.00

09:22:56.740 You said you hate when men call you love.

09:22:59.340 I, yes.

09:22:59.900 Like you said.

09:23:01.840 My bad love.

09:23:03.260 You good love. 1.00

09:23:04.200 Shut the fuck up, bro. 1.00

09:23:05.560 I hate the word love. 1.00

09:23:07.580 I feel like, I don't like it when anyone uses it, I want to be quite honest, but I would

09:23:11.160 rather have a gay man or a woman, call me that, rather than a straight man.

09:23:17.760 I notice a lot of guys, like, when they talk to girls, they say love.

09:23:21.560 I'm like, why? 0.84

09:23:23.420 And you said you hate sassy men, and you said, if you're gay, that's completely fine, but if 0.96

09:23:30.540 you label yourself as straight and you still act in sassy, girl, bye. 0.99

09:23:34.500 Only the girls and the gays can be sassy. 1.00

09:23:39.300 Am I sassy? 1.00

09:23:41.040 That's why you have a gay face. 1.00

09:23:44.160 That's exactly why. 0.99

09:23:45.180 And then you said you think dating nowadays is a joke, dating apps are a joke, you've met

09:23:52.240 guys in public, you've shot your shot in public, because you were told the love of your life

09:23:56.480 isn't at the club, you've got to meet them at the grocery store, so when you're at wholesome

09:23:59.520 places such as the grocery store, and you see someone fine as hell, I do shoot my shot,

09:24:04.600 I don't care. 0.99

09:24:05.400 I still turn out to be, they still turn out to be ain't shit. 0.98

09:24:09.060 Yeah, it doesn't matter anymore, it really doesn't. 0.95

09:24:12.880 I feel like dating now is hard, because everyone thinks they're getting played, and also because

09:24:17.100 we have the internets, it's super easy to cheat, and it's also easy to move on.

09:24:22.600 Yeah, 100%.

09:24:24.900 So you shoot your shot at the grocery store? 1.00

09:24:26.600 All right, pretend Alyssa is a fine as fuck dude, shoot your shot. 1.00

09:24:32.220 Pretend she's got a penis. 1.00

09:24:34.900 Like a big dick damn dick. 1.00

09:24:39.060 Like a Madison, oh, she's good, she's good, wait, here, let's do the split, let's do 1.00

09:24:43.640 the split.

09:24:44.500 All right, do that, do that thing.

09:24:48.080 Okay.

09:24:48.520 I'm good with you, mommy.

09:24:49.540 Ah!

09:24:50.980 Oh my god, I'm scared.

09:24:54.420 I'm just kidding. 0.99

09:24:56.160 No, it would be me shooting my shot with you. 0.99

09:24:59.220 Okay. 1.00

09:25:00.040 But I'm not an actress, I suck at this shit. 1.00

09:25:02.740 Come on. 1.00

09:25:03.840 I can't role play.

09:25:06.860 Okay, fine, I'll be her, okay.

09:25:08.480 Okay, uh, wait.

09:25:09.740 Oh, no, but.

09:25:11.160 I would just like.

09:25:12.480 So I'll be the guy, you be the girl. 0.98

09:25:14.560 Yeah, you be the guy, I'll be the chick. 0.61

09:25:17.600 Okay, um, I don't know what girls do, I'll just be like. 0.99

09:25:26.000 Oh, uh, where's the soy latte? 1.00

09:25:28.420 You trying to fuck? 1.00

09:25:34.100 Perfect. 1.00

09:25:34.840 Sounds right, right?

09:25:36.080 Yeah.

09:25:36.640 Excuse you? 1.00

09:25:37.980 Is you trying to fuck, or what? 1.00

09:25:39.360 Ah! 1.00

09:25:42.560 Was you raised right?

09:25:44.740 Yeah.

09:25:45.880 Absolutely.

09:25:46.240 That was my version of a toxic.

09:25:53.360 Do you want me to be a gentleman?

09:25:55.160 Can you do the, like, that thing? 1.00

09:25:58.380 She's got that shit down good, man. 1.00

09:26:00.140 What the fuck? 1.00

09:26:00.800 Hey, I noticed that you, uh. 1.00

09:26:01.920 When your ex was doing fentanyl, was like, let's go to.

09:26:04.760 Oh my god. 1.00

09:26:05.880 Holy shit. 1.00

09:26:06.560 He was like, hey, yo, baby. 1.00

09:26:08.560 Hey, put it on me.

09:26:09.320 Hold on.

09:26:10.240 He was like, hey, yo.

09:26:13.560 I'm about to OD.

09:26:14.720 Oh my god.

09:26:15.360 Stop! 1.00

09:26:16.960 Don't do that to him.

09:26:17.780 Stop, stop, stop.

09:26:18.660 I'm about to, um.

09:26:20.540 Oh my god, Jesus Christ.

09:26:22.320 Canceled, canceled, canceled.

09:26:23.380 No, I'm just kidding.

09:26:26.280 Hey, yo, baby, you trying to score this meth?

09:26:30.240 That's, that was okay, but no.

09:26:32.240 Not quite accurate.

09:26:33.600 Why the?

09:26:36.660 That's something.

09:26:37.460 It's not that hard.

09:26:38.140 But you just had to be like, hey, I noticed that you had some pizza crust in your cart.

09:26:42.800 You know, I would say the pesto goes better with that.

09:26:45.680 You want me to come over and teach you how to make it?

09:26:48.380 Whoa.

09:26:50.820 I mean, if grocery store were talking. 1.00

09:26:53.840 Did he ever try to get you to, like, sell pussy? 1.00

09:26:57.400 No. 1.00

09:26:57.880 Oh, okay.

09:26:59.160 I did date a guy that.

09:27:00.860 Tried to pimp you?

09:27:02.280 Not pimp me, but he was like, you should definitely do OnlyFans.

09:27:04.740 You would make hella money. 0.99

09:27:06.540 Holy shit. 1.00

09:27:08.840 I considered it. 1.00

09:27:12.700 What the fuck? 1.00

09:27:14.440 Okay. 1.00

09:27:15.100 Yeah, that happens.

09:27:15.960 I would say guys are always the ones that convince.

09:27:17.880 I got convinced to do OnlyFans by a guy.

09:27:20.060 Yeah, that's true.

09:27:20.740 But I did it because my dog was dying of heart failure, and I divorced my ex-husband, and I had no money, and I didn't want my dog to die.

09:27:26.560 So I started doing OnlyFans.

09:27:29.920 I don't get this thing.

09:27:33.200 Well, I don't get, like, the whole...

09:27:34.760 Warming up.

09:27:36.440 Do you guys know that song? 1.00

09:27:39.480 I'm trying to fuck with you. 1.00

09:27:40.720 I know that song. 1.00

09:27:44.440 I'm trying to fuck with you. 1.00

09:27:45.820 You feel me? 1.00

09:27:46.700 Like, I'm trying to fuck with you. 1.00

09:27:48.040 Or the, like, this, like, the... 1.00

09:27:50.000 Like that.

09:27:50.660 Yeah.

09:27:50.800 Oh, my God.

09:27:52.140 Ew.

09:27:52.980 Ew.

09:27:54.040 Wait, do it again.

09:27:54.800 Do it again.

09:27:55.080 Ew, no.

09:27:59.940 Okay, I don't know.

09:28:00.900 I don't know how any of that works.

09:28:02.360 I think, are we...

09:28:03.020 I'm pretty sure we're through most of the notes.

09:28:05.480 Oh, wait. 1.00

09:28:06.060 Flight attendant shit. 1.00

09:28:07.180 But, like, really, like, are you fucking a new dude? 1.00

09:28:10.080 Every city beyond... 0.99

09:28:11.280 No, no, no.

09:28:11.740 Not all the time.

09:28:12.340 I'm tired. 0.98

09:28:13.060 I'm fucking tired. 0.99

09:28:14.280 No. 0.99

09:28:15.360 It's draining.

09:28:15.880 Okay, every other city.

09:28:16.780 My bad.

09:28:17.700 It's not every single city.

09:28:19.120 No.

09:28:20.680 No.

09:28:21.800 And it's not all the time, either.

09:28:23.200 I really do be tired.

09:28:24.620 Like, the flights are draining.

09:28:27.320 And then sometimes we only have, like, 10 hours, 11 hours of rest.

09:28:30.720 And good night.

09:28:32.100 All right.

09:28:33.020 I'm pretty sure we got through...

09:28:35.720 Oh, Maya left. 0.98

09:28:36.860 But she said she drank her ex's pee. 0.80

09:28:41.400 Oh. 0.93

09:28:41.860 Wow.

09:28:42.440 Ew.

09:28:43.200 Yeah.

09:28:43.680 I have not done that.

09:28:45.400 And then I'm pretty sure we hit...

09:28:49.160 We got all of Alyssa.

09:28:51.160 We got all your stuff.

09:28:53.440 Sienna.

09:28:56.300 Sorry, Sienna.

09:28:57.120 I got to skip.

09:28:57.880 Oh, yeah.

09:28:58.200 No, it's so long.

09:28:59.100 I totally get it.

09:29:00.300 Kiki.

09:29:01.020 We did...

09:29:01.660 I think we did Kiki.

09:29:02.540 We did Kiki.

09:29:03.440 Okay.

09:29:03.680 We're all caught up on that.

09:29:05.420 The rest of the questionnaire, unfortunately, we can't get into it.

09:29:07.740 I'll let the rest of the chats come through.

09:29:09.340 And then we are going to wrap up the show.

09:29:13.980 Wait.

09:29:14.400 Did I...

09:29:14.880 Hold on.

09:29:16.660 Did this one come through?

09:29:18.200 Did this come through?

09:29:18.940 Joe Murphy donated $20.

09:29:20.540 Yeah.

09:29:20.740 Yeah.

09:29:21.460 It's amazing how the of ladies will manifest experiences. 0.99

09:29:25.400 Give it 10 years before the reality kicks in searching for a long-term partner. 0.83

09:29:30.420 Ladies, best of luck. 1.00

09:29:32.320 Short-term actions have long-term results.

09:29:35.280 Yeah.

09:29:35.600 And then I explained what numbers were.

09:29:37.280 I remember that.

09:29:37.680 Murphy donated $20.

09:29:39.960 Number one on the right.

09:29:41.660 Just because your friend has been married for 17 years makes her the exception to the rule with a partner.

09:29:47.960 Sorry, this doesn't justify sex work to finding a good long-term partner.

09:29:52.380 I don't know.

09:29:52.940 I know a lot of sex workers. 1.00

09:29:53.900 They have partners.

09:29:54.440 Borat donated $19.99.

09:29:57.660 What do you call a sheep who can sing and dance?

09:30:00.920 Lady Bar Bar.

09:30:03.300 That was good.

09:30:04.220 That was good, Borat.

09:30:04.980 Last call, guys.

09:30:06.140 If you want to get one, last in.

09:30:08.620 $20 TTS.

09:30:09.580 Final call, and then we're going to wrap.

09:30:11.480 We got two more.

09:30:13.660 Notaveridge donated $20.

09:30:16.360 Hey, guys, can someone explain how I can get a GF being a conservative cuckold?

09:30:21.320 I guess that sits contradictory, but most libs now are intense.

09:30:27.860 What?

09:30:28.640 Brian's mom donated $30. 0.95

09:30:31.120 Darling, I told you last week if you're going to use my butt plug to please wash it. 0.98

09:30:36.340 So I have bought you a new butt plug. 0.93

09:30:38.660 I hope you don't mind, but I tried it out to make sure it was your size, love, mom. 0.99

09:30:43.360 Oh, my God.

09:30:44.080 That's good looking out.

09:30:45.160 Yeah, thank you, man.

09:30:46.400 That's an interesting one. 0.97

09:30:48.320 Uh, she especially liked that one because it was talking shit about me. 0.99

09:30:53.160 Sure did. 1.00

09:30:54.600 What the fuck is this, dude? 1.00

09:30:57.920 What? 1.00

09:30:58.540 Gianna, read this shit. 1.00

09:30:59.500 I can't read it. 1.00

09:31:00.300 I don't even know what it... 0.99

09:31:01.140 What the fuck? 1.00

09:31:02.640 Bobby's for babies. 1.00

09:31:04.020 Men's private's queer to talk about. 1.00

09:31:06.960 Only vulva is politically correct. 0.93

09:31:09.200 Vulva is the most beautiful.

09:31:10.660 It's the real Jesus.

09:31:11.920 Once you discover a goddess, you are saved.

09:31:15.260 Life has meaning.

09:31:16.420 A human flower.

09:31:17.500 Uh, thank you, Shield Heart, for that.

09:31:19.440 I do appreciate it.

09:31:20.240 Okay, guys, final call on the TTS.

09:31:22.280 We're going to wrap up the show here.

09:31:23.960 Uh, let's see.

09:31:25.020 Any final thoughts from anybody before I wrap up? 0.99

09:31:27.200 Anybody want to, like, talk some shit or whatever? 0.97

09:31:29.500 I would just like to add something. 0.99

09:31:31.240 I know that all these conservative guys out there think that, like, my lifestyle is super degenerate and whatnot.

09:31:36.560 And, like, swinging is taboo and it doesn't sanctify my marriage and whatnot.

09:31:40.520 But the irony is a lot of these guys are going to turn around and subscribe to these OFs when they think it's so awful.

09:31:46.540 And at the end of the day, these degenerate people that we're meeting have actually been some of the most, like, genuine, coolest people I've ever met in my life compared to some of the more, like, vanilla people that have been in my life for years.

09:31:58.420 Like, just be a little more open-minded and you can meet some really cool people out there.

09:32:03.180 Yeah.

09:32:03.720 Yeah, I mean, I guess a degen could be, like, a really great person. 0.99

09:32:08.980 But I don't know if it's a fair statement to be, like, oh, all these conservative men, like, they're going to be the, like, OF subscribers.

09:32:15.920 So they're, like, engaging in the degen.

09:32:16.580 No, not all of them, but plenty of them will.

09:32:19.300 Yeah, sure.

09:32:19.780 Plenty of, like, conservative men watch porn and, like, pay for OnlyFans.

09:32:23.860 I don't deny that.

09:32:24.520 I don't know.

09:32:24.900 I just feel like conservative men don't want conservative women. 0.87

09:32:28.140 They think they want that, but they want to go for the liberal girl.

09:32:32.240 What? 0.96

09:32:33.940 Conservative men don't want to date, like, liberal feminist chicks. 1.00

09:32:38.740 They want to marry the conservative woman and then they're going to go fuck the other girl behind their wife's back. 1.00

09:32:43.520 I mean, look, the reality is plenty of these conservative women are not, like, waiting until marriage. 1.00

09:32:47.620 That's, like, that's pretty rare.

09:32:50.360 So.

09:32:51.020 Can I add something?

09:32:52.440 Sure.

09:32:53.260 I just have a question.

09:32:54.200 Cupcake?

09:32:56.820 Go for it.

09:32:57.560 Who is this?

09:33:01.100 That's your...

09:33:02.100 That's Ziz. 0.98

09:33:03.260 Who's Ziz? 0.95

09:33:04.020 Ziz.

09:33:04.380 Ziz ain't got no knees. 0.98

09:33:05.080 Ziz.

09:33:05.480 Oh, my God.

09:33:06.060 Are you not...

09:33:06.620 You're not aware?

09:33:08.140 Are you...

09:33:08.740 That's why I asked.

09:33:09.320 Are you aware?

09:33:09.680 I thought he was attractive.

09:33:10.960 You're not aware of who Ziz is?

09:33:12.300 No.

09:33:12.860 Are you Myron?

09:33:14.260 What's...

09:33:14.660 What?

09:33:15.120 Are you Myron his aesthetics?

09:33:17.160 Oh, my God.

09:33:18.080 Are you Myron his aesthetics?

09:33:20.300 Okay.

09:33:21.280 Ah, ah, ah.

09:33:23.860 Did you...

09:33:24.580 You don't...

09:33:25.920 Yes, I get it.

09:33:26.840 I get you.

09:33:27.620 But I was just asking who...

09:33:28.720 I was just asking who that is.

09:33:29.940 I met him.

09:33:30.480 He was on the show the last time I was on.

09:33:32.280 Ziz, he donated $20.69.

09:33:36.180 Liberal women are like well-done steaks. 1.00

09:33:39.040 Have a good night, Brixen.

09:33:40.720 Thank you.

09:33:41.860 Thank you, man.

09:33:42.520 Really appreciate the TTS.

09:33:43.680 Thank you.

09:33:44.660 All right.

09:33:44.940 Who's going to read?

09:33:46.080 That's only because you don't know how to barbecue, baby.

09:33:47.920 Bubba donated $20.

09:33:49.860 Chair 4 looks like Walmart Amber Dirt.

09:33:53.180 BTW.

09:33:54.000 Booty, booty, booty, booty, booty. 0.99

09:33:56.020 Rocking everywhere.

09:33:57.520 Rocking everywhere.

09:33:58.880 Rocking everywhere.

09:34:00.280 I found you, Miss New Booty.

09:34:02.360 Get it right.

09:34:03.140 Get it right.

09:34:03.800 Get it tight.

09:34:04.940 I'm Walmart Amber Heard.

09:34:06.340 Who's playing...

09:34:07.460 She's actually...

09:34:08.260 Actually, scientifically,

09:34:09.340 she is the most beautiful woman in the world.

09:34:11.960 They just wrote a paper about it.

09:34:13.300 Wait, who?

09:34:14.520 Amber Heard, actually.

09:34:15.820 Amber Heard?

09:34:16.640 I saw an article that said that she has...

09:34:19.260 Her angles on her face are the most symmetrical

09:34:21.880 and that she's considered very attractive.

09:34:25.660 Or young Amber Heard?

09:34:27.300 I would say prime Amber Heard.

09:34:29.740 Peak Amber Heard.

09:34:30.740 No, she was attractive. 1.00

09:34:32.660 She dated Johnny Depp.

09:34:35.320 And falsely accused him of a lot of things.

09:34:37.740 Wasn't she talking about a bee?

09:34:39.340 She even took a massive L in her lawsuit zone. 1.00

09:34:44.120 Really?

09:34:44.760 Amber Heard?

09:34:45.700 You know who's like pretty peak?

09:34:47.660 Brooke Shields. 1.00

09:34:48.940 Damn. 1.00

09:34:49.300 Brooke Shields. 1.00

09:34:50.160 Yeah.

09:34:50.840 Young Brooke Shields.

09:34:51.800 Yeah.

09:34:53.000 Not 80-year-old.

09:34:54.260 Calvin Klein, Brooke Shields.

09:34:56.880 I'd have to check.

09:34:58.400 Okay.

09:34:59.020 Beautiful.

09:34:59.420 We're going to do...

09:35:00.220 Do we do Frost?

09:35:01.620 Or do we do Woe Grandma?

09:35:03.380 We haven't done Woe Grandma in a while.

09:35:05.600 But we're going to raid...

09:35:09.420 You know what?

09:35:09.980 I'm going to try Joker D.

09:35:11.400 I haven't...

09:35:12.560 Joker D TV.

09:35:13.760 We'll raid him.

09:35:14.840 So get that going.

09:35:16.700 Like, yeah.

09:35:17.220 Like you have...

09:35:17.960 Zezik donated $19.99.

09:35:22.600 Amber Heard alert.

09:35:23.840 That's because they're there.

09:35:28.480 What?

09:35:29.560 Amber Alert.

09:35:30.680 Oh, Amber Alert.

09:35:31.740 Amber Alert.

09:35:32.440 That was good.

09:35:33.480 Big Sas Energy donated $20.

09:35:36.420 LOL.

09:35:37.400 Conservative men do not want liberal women. 0.99

09:35:40.220 Sure, we will F you.

09:35:41.780 But that's because it's easy and available, not valuable. 1.00

09:35:45.420 Holy shit. 0.99

09:35:46.940 Isn't that kind of hypocrisy, though? 1.00

09:35:49.220 Yeah, that doesn't really align with your...

09:35:51.100 With your traditional values.

09:35:52.700 With your traditional values, yeah.

09:35:56.340 It's okay.

09:35:57.060 You can sub to my OnlyFans later.

09:36:00.260 Okay, guys.

09:36:01.160 So I guess final thing here.

09:36:03.360 I'd like to end the show by seeing if we can't use this as a moment, as an opportunity to give you and you a call to action.

09:36:10.840 Would you consider stopping sex work tonight?

09:36:15.080 No.

09:36:15.900 Okay, I tried.

09:36:17.140 So anyways, GG.

09:36:19.040 Well played.

09:36:20.000 To the panel.

09:36:20.680 Last call.

09:36:21.220 Hit the like button, please, on your way out.

09:36:22.740 Thank you for tuning in tonight.

09:36:23.840 Ew, don't do that.

09:36:24.620 Sorry.

09:36:25.400 I wanted to do all podcasting.

09:36:27.280 Thank you guys for tuning in tonight.

09:36:28.700 You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.

09:36:30.540 I appreciate that.

09:36:31.160 Thank you to everyone who so generously...

09:36:34.160 Generously soup chats, donates, and supports the show.

09:36:40.320 We cannot do the show without you.

09:36:42.540 You know, the show is fan-funded, audience-funded.

09:36:45.480 So I really appreciate your guys' generosity and your patronage means the world.

09:36:49.020 Could not do the show without you guys.

09:36:50.680 So thank you guys so much.

09:36:51.960 Really appreciate it.

09:36:54.040 You guys are all legends.

09:36:55.460 You guys are...

09:36:56.240 He's a brave and a decent man.

09:36:57.820 He's a pioneer.

09:36:58.440 I haven't done that in a while.

09:37:00.200 Okay.

09:37:00.500 What about the contortion?

09:37:02.100 Oh, you're right.

09:37:03.500 Do you need shorts to do it?

09:37:04.980 Yeah, I just need shorts.

09:37:05.940 Can you get her the red shorts? 0.97

09:37:07.360 And a t-shirt.

09:37:08.020 And a t-shirt.

09:37:08.940 I've been wanting to see this all day. 1.00

09:37:09.880 Damn, bro, you're going to fuck my table. 1.00

09:37:11.060 I don't know if we can... 1.00

09:37:11.540 It's fine.

09:37:11.960 We can move it.

09:37:12.500 I will.

09:37:12.760 Ladies, assemble. 1.00

09:37:14.540 Wait.

09:37:14.740 Next time.

09:37:19.360 So, hold on.

09:37:21.280 We got it.

09:37:21.800 Just stay seated for a second.

09:37:22.720 We're about to wrap.

09:37:23.740 Okay.

09:37:24.600 So, we will be live again Tuesday at 5 p.m. Pacific.

09:37:27.720 Got a very good show coming on.

09:37:29.160 Guys, I was finally able.

09:37:31.760 I've been looking for years, months, for a femcel. 0.92

09:37:37.100 A female incel. 1.00

09:37:38.100 I found one.

09:37:38.920 She's coming on the show Tuesday.

09:37:41.220 Is that the blonde one? 1.00

09:37:42.780 Or is she, like, strawberry blonde? 0.97

09:37:45.360 No?

09:37:45.880 No.

09:37:46.460 No.

09:37:46.820 Do you know a femcel? 0.91

09:37:48.440 I don't know.

09:37:49.020 There was one going around on the internet.

09:37:50.920 Oh.

09:37:51.440 Well, send me her Instagram. 0.97

09:37:53.620 I'll DM her, I guess.

09:37:55.000 Okay.

09:37:55.280 To be on the show.

09:37:57.280 Any girls who want to be on the show, like I said, DM out whatever on Instagram if you 0.95

09:38:00.180 can make it to Santa Barbara.

09:38:02.580 07's in the chat.

09:38:05.240 Micah Carly donated $20.

09:38:07.220 I mean, it's not really like a, it's not really like a gift that he comes back to life.

09:38:27.700 Like, I can, you know, sell something and I get it right back.

09:38:30.600 It's not really, like, sacrificing anything, in my opinion.

09:38:33.280 But, so, uh, wait, how about we, you want to just do the thing?

09:38:37.460 Yeah.

09:38:37.900 All right.

09:38:38.360 Can we get her a t-shirt? 0.83

09:38:39.400 Can we get her to smash the patriarchy? 1.00

09:38:41.140 Here, I'll, you guys talk for, like, 30 seconds.

09:38:43.300 I'll get you your gear.

09:38:45.300 When did you figure out you were a contortionist?

09:38:47.120 Like, how do you figure that out?

09:38:48.340 Oh, my mom was a gymnastics teacher.

09:38:50.540 So then she just, yeah, I just grew up and she was like, I always wanted to be one.

09:38:54.500 I got a bad back, though.

09:38:55.880 I got a really bad back.

09:38:57.500 I stretch a lot.

09:38:58.660 I got a short, I got a short.

09:39:02.320 Oh, goodness.

09:39:03.380 Sorry.

09:39:05.000 All right.

09:39:07.280 There you go.

09:39:08.560 Okay.

09:39:09.300 There you go.

09:39:10.260 Cool.

09:39:10.900 Is there a space here?

09:39:12.160 Yeah, there's space.

09:39:12.560 You're going to do it on, man.

09:39:13.920 Yeah.

09:39:14.220 This is risky.

09:39:15.300 Maybe, should we, I don't know, the microphones?

09:39:18.260 Can you do it on the floor right here?

09:39:19.940 Yeah, I can do it on the floor.

09:39:20.840 Like, I feel like maybe we could, like, see it if we go this angle.

09:39:28.000 Like, is that, is there, is that, is that, is there going to be enough space?

09:39:35.560 It's probably not enough space, but.

09:39:41.100 It's backwards.

09:39:42.260 It's backwards.

09:39:43.040 FYI, I'm just saying.

09:39:43.900 It's fine.

09:39:44.960 MBD, no big deal.

09:39:46.760 I don't know if we're going to be able to see it here.

09:39:48.480 It's going to be crazy. 0.99

09:39:54.300 This is some crazy shit. 0.99

09:39:55.540 Okay. 0.99

09:39:56.300 Okay, make sure you can, or you want me to move this, huh?

09:40:01.580 Go.

09:40:02.460 Okay.

09:40:04.560 You're good?

09:40:05.580 Wait, you're doing it.

09:40:06.280 Do I need to move?

09:40:07.140 Are you going to, like, is you going to kick me or something? 0.99

09:40:08.980 No, I'll kick you. 1.00

09:40:11.820 Wait, what the? 0.99

09:40:12.460 I'm getting out of here, bro.

09:40:13.560 This is set.

09:40:15.160 Okay.

09:40:17.340 I'm going to move that, then.

09:40:19.020 Okay.

09:40:25.620 Wait, hold on.

09:40:26.580 I said.

09:40:27.700 Whoa.

09:40:28.500 I've always wanted to do that.

09:40:30.740 That's so cool.

09:40:31.920 That is so cool.

09:40:32.700 That's amazing.

09:40:33.340 That is so cool.

09:40:33.960 You should be in horror movies.

09:40:35.520 Yeah.

09:40:36.540 They were, like, the last time I was on here, they were, like, oh, you should do the ring.

09:40:41.660 Yeah.

09:40:42.500 That's so cool.

09:40:45.060 But, yeah.

09:40:46.140 Wait, can you do it again?

09:40:47.120 Yeah.

09:40:47.300 I might need more space, but I can do it.

09:40:51.640 Whoa.

09:40:53.240 I have a one card.

09:40:57.140 Whoa.

09:40:59.180 That is so cool.

09:41:01.340 That is so cool.

09:41:02.740 That's so cool.

09:41:03.840 Speaking of them legs. 0.96

09:41:04.940 Dang.

09:41:05.340 Oh, that's great.

09:41:07.060 That is so cool.

09:41:07.940 I love that.

09:41:12.780 Good job.

09:41:13.320 Proud of you.

09:41:16.040 That's beautiful.

09:41:19.600 That's crazy.

09:41:20.320 Do you ever get, like, do you ever get, though, like, weird dudes who, like, you're trying

09:41:26.940 to date them, and they're, like, would you be put off if the dude was, like, can you do 0.96

09:41:32.200 some, like, weird shit during sex, you know? 0.99

09:41:36.260 No. 1.00

09:41:37.540 Oh, you're, you're, like, oh, I get to show off my.

09:41:42.420 I'm almost always in the splits because it's, like, like, comfortable.

09:41:46.520 And easier for them, too, to, like, move around and stuff, you know?

09:41:51.240 You can bend me however you want, and it's cool.

09:41:54.060 It's all good.

09:41:56.200 No problem.

09:41:57.120 Okay.

09:41:57.800 Cool.

09:41:58.540 Rock and roll.

09:41:59.840 All right.

09:42:00.360 Let's.

09:42:01.180 Okay.

09:42:01.520 No, we're all good.

09:42:02.480 Okay.

09:42:02.720 We're going to raid Joker D.

09:42:03.940 Guys, thank you so much for watching on Twitch.

09:42:05.620 Oh, wait.

09:42:06.020 We have to do the Twitch shout-out super quick.

09:42:07.620 Guys, twitch.tv slash whatever.

09:42:09.180 Before you leave, check if you have a Prime sub available.

09:42:11.940 Just drop us a Prime sub.

09:42:12.940 Drop us a quick follow before we send over this raid to Joker D.

09:42:16.320 He's playing.

09:42:17.500 It's been.

09:42:18.840 Thank you.

09:42:20.820 Guys, last check if there's a Prime sub available.

09:42:24.180 Thank you for the follows, guys.

09:42:25.260 Really appreciate it.

09:42:26.440 Thank you guys so much over there who are watching on Twitch.

09:42:29.280 Okay, guys.

09:42:29.740 We're going to raid Joker D.

09:42:30.880 He's playing a Orc Shaman.

09:42:35.960 Hardcore World of Warcraft classic.

09:42:38.820 Okay.

09:42:38.980 I'm going to.

09:42:39.220 It reminds me of that South person. 0.73

09:42:40.240 Was it DBS Shrek?

09:42:41.060 Exactly.

09:42:42.120 All right.

09:42:42.440 It's one of those fights where you just got the damage.

09:42:44.820 Tell him he needs to make a level one.

09:42:47.420 It dies in like 10 seconds.

09:42:48.800 Like legit.

09:42:49.500 If you have a level 40. 0.98

09:42:50.680 Guys, go over there and tell him to jump off and drown his Orc.

09:42:56.160 How long? 0.97

09:42:57.180 In stream.

09:42:57.820 All right, guys.

09:42:58.160 Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.

09:42:59.120 I'm going to send the raid over.

09:43:00.160 Okay.

09:43:00.780 52 seconds.

09:43:02.640 1 minute, 13 seconds.

09:43:05.760 By the way, this guy is world first classic in 2019.

09:43:12.720 Whoa.

09:43:13.180 You know what I mean?

09:43:15.780 Yeah.

09:43:20.240 Yo, whatever with the raid, man.

09:43:22.720 Thank you.

09:43:23.060 Thank you.

09:43:23.280 Thank you.

09:43:23.980 Thank you.

09:43:24.500 Oh.

09:43:24.560 Could they have played a bit better?

09:43:27.720 Maybe.

09:43:28.220 But I think they were just against the answer.

09:43:32.980 He's in Stranglethorn Vale.

09:43:34.940 He's in Booty Bay, guys.

09:43:36.540 He's in Booty Bay.

09:43:37.740 Do you guys?

09:43:38.040 I'm sure you guys love that name for the little city or town.

09:43:41.360 Booty Bay.

09:43:41.760 Booty Bay.

09:43:42.400 That's the name of the city he's in.

09:43:43.700 The little Booty Bay, the area.

09:43:44.420 All right.

09:43:44.760 So I know all these chickens, guys.

09:43:46.580 You look at the top right corner, Booty Bay.

09:43:48.480 Or they hand them two of them.

09:43:49.880 All right.

09:43:50.260 Cool.

09:43:50.720 And then when you hand them.

09:43:51.740 All right.

09:43:51.760 All right.

09:43:52.080 You can X out of that.

09:43:53.940 Let me see if any chats came through.

09:43:55.380 No, we're all good.

09:43:57.300 Thank you guys so much for tuning in.

09:43:58.880 I hope you guys have a really good night.

09:44:00.640 Oh, sevens in the chat.

09:44:04.000 Good night, guys.

09:44:04.760 We'll see you on Tuesday.

09:44:06.760 Bye-bye.

09:44:07.400 Bye.

09:44:08.320 Eat one.

Whatever Podcast - December 02, 2024

Did She CHEAT？! Men Make ZERO Effort？! They DEMAND Traditional Men BUT Are THEY Traditional？! ｜ Dating Talk #217

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