FINAL SHOW! RAGE QUIT Keeko vs. Andrew Wilson IRL! Shina! Shaman Pro Cuddler？! ｜ Dating Talk #222
Summary
In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, we talk about the Krav Maga fight that took place in front of our Santa Barbara office, and how we're going to fix it. We also talk about a new TTS feature that's coming to Twitch, and we introduce a new guest.
Transcript
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Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating
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hellscape. I'm your host, Brian Atlas. We're coming to you live from Santa Barbara, California
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every Sunday and Tuesday at 5 p.m. Pacific. A few quick announcements. This podcast is viewer
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supported heavy YouTube demonetization, so please consider donating through Streamlabs instead of
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the description. We do prioritize messages that are made via Streamlabs. To read a message is $100 and
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up. If you want to interact nearly instantly with us and weigh in on the conversation, consider sending
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a TTS text-to-speech message. $200 and up triggers TTS. TTS is via Streamlabs only. There is a slight
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moderation delay with the TTS and we are trying out this custom TTS feature. There is a link with
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guide at the top of the description. You can still send you still send it through streamlabs.com
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slash whatever but when you input your message it can kind of do like a customized thing. So that's
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you guys can check it out. You guys can play. Scroll down a little bit. Just scroll down. We won't play
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the example but scroll down. Keep going. There's all you can pick a custom voice to send it in. Scroll
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all the way down. So you don't play it. But we got Biden, Obama, Trump, whoever you want. There's
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Squidward. There's SpongeBob. So you can send it in kind of custom. And yeah, you can see the
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description for all the other triggers and full details. Also since it is the final show,
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champagne pops are 50% off via streamlabs.com slash whatever. And if you want to just donate,
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the United States. Total tragedy. If you can't catch the full shows, we have a clips channel. Link
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is in the description. Speaking of which, this is our final show. While we are on break,
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we will be posting every single day on the clips channel. We have a discord, discord.gg slash
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whatever. We post behind the scenes, hate mail, a bunch of other fun stuff. Also, if you want
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to see the, we got the security camera footage of the Krav Maga fight. That's a little bit
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of a better angle because the stream didn't really capture it so well. So if you want to
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see the Krav Maga fight, it's on our discord. That's discord.gg slash whatever. And we post
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all the BTS and cool stuff on there. And oh, also any, I, any of you who are playing,
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uh, actually I'll do later. Okay. Disclaimer, the views expressed by the guests do not necessarily
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reflect the views of the whatever channel. With that said, without further ado. Hang
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on, hang on. Before that, remember Crucible crew, if you're watching, I can already tell
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you we're going to need some champagne pops. You gotta, you gotta bring some champagne pop.
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I can just tell I got this feeling that we're going to need them.
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Yes. Yes. Uh, so anybody watching over the Crucible, you're welcome to hop on to, uh, uh,
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you guys are trying to abuse the TTS monster, but I fixed it. So nice try. Nice try. Uh,
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it should be fixed, but in any case, uh, disclaimer, the views expressed by the guests do not necessarily
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reflect the views of the whatever channel. With that said, without further ado, we're going
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to have the guests introduce themselves. So please tell us your name, age, location,
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and occupation. Go ahead. Hi, my name is Kiko. I'm 24. I live in Santa Barbara and I'm a bartender.
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All right. And you're from Santa Barbara or where are you from originally? San Francisco. SF. Okay.
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What about you? Um, hi, I'm Lexi. Um, I am 22, just turned and I'm from the Orange County area. Okay. Um,
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I'm a full-time student currently, so no occupation. Gotcha. Okay. And, uh, actually really quick. Uh,
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so what, what are you studying? Oh, I'm a marketing major. All right. Going for your
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bachelor's or? Well, I just got a certificate and I can graduate with my associates, but I'm doing a
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transfer program. So I'm taking a few more classes at a community college before I transfer to get my
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bachelor's. Okay. Um, and you're, when you're transferring, you're going to still pursue
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marketing? Yes. Okay. And then Kiko, uh, schooling for you? Um, I do ASU online. Have you grad,
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have you graduated though? Have you gotten your bachelor's or? No, I went to UC, I went to UCSB for
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like five years, but I took so much time off and then I decided that they didn't have the major I
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wanted. Okay. Got it. Uh, what about you age? My name is Amanda. I'm 31. I'm an actor, a model,
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and a private tutor. All right. Uh, any, uh, what do you private teach? Private tutor. I have students
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from age four to age 15 and I teach all subjects. What kind of acting? Um, film and TV. Okay. And,
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uh, school, any school? Uh, yeah, I have a bachelor's in elementary education actually from
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the University of Vermont. All right. Ooh, Vermont. Nice. Okay, cool. What about you? My name is Maria.
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I am 44. I am a shaman, massage therapist, and a professional cuddler. Professional cuddler. Okay.
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Yeah. Uh, let's, before we get into the shaman stuff, what's a professional cuddler?
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Somebody that simply holds space for somebody with the availability to literally cuddle with them. So
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cuddling is optional, but it's there. And some people due to trauma choose not to cuddle and just
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simply have somebody hold space for them and probably cry because they're dealing with some
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kind of grief. Sure. And so it just depends on what they seek. And you, you charge for this,
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I'm assuming. Correct. Yes. Okay. What are your rates per hour? I charge $100 an hour. $100 an hour?
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Correct. Okay. For the cuddle sesh? Correct. Okay. Got it. And has, is there like a, do you consider
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them your patients? Are they your patients or what, how do you, clients? What do you? Clients. Correct.
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Clients. Yes. Is there spooning involved? Like how do you, how do you cut, like what, what sort of
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cuddling are we talking about? It depends on the comfort, comfortability between each individual.
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So we first sit and we ground, we make sure we're cool with each other. And once we sit and ground,
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then I go over the rules before I touch you, I say, is this okay? And you say yes or no,
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it has to be a full yes before I touch you. Same with me. If you want to touch me, it has to be a
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full yes. Otherwise it's a no. Okay. So we set clear boundaries. So as long as both adults are
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consenting, we could do the spoon. Okay. Yeah. So you do do the spoon and cuddling. Correct. Yes.
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Also, I do want to thank, unfortunately it's not letting me pull it up, but Kaibaka, thank you for
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the gifted 10 subs over there on Twitch. And I do have to interrupt briefly. Oh wait, one sec guys,
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it's coming up. Metro Matt from the discord. Thank you in advance for the, Oh no. TTS monster,
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man. Absolutely scuffed. Hey, Hey boys. All right. Here, let me try this again. Sorry, boys. All right.
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Let's see if this works. Metro Matt. Wait, cheers to the holidays and a great new year from the discord
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fam. Oh my, what the frick? Uh, here, while that's okay. TTS monsters is just an, all right. Um,
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Shaman, have you, wait, yeah. So have you ever, um, like, do you hook up with any of your clients?
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No, they're professional. It's all above the board. Correct. Cause I am on one site that's
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purely for professional services. And then on the, there's another site, which I use for my own
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personal self. So if I feel like I need a cuddle, then I go to that site. I see. Do you, uh, you do,
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uh, you'll take both male and female clients? Correct. Yes. Okay. Do you have a preference
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being big spoon or little spoon or no, I just love cuddling period. Would you judge them if they
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were like wanted you to be big spoon? Not at all. I, I hold a really safe space for people. So I'm very
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open hearted. That makes sense. Yeah. I mean, do you, do you, uh, Oh boy. Okay. Um, do you, uh,
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what if somebody wanted you to cuddle with her dog? Like, you know what I mean? I would be open
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to it because I'm not allergic and I love animals and actually communicate with animals too. Same
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rate, huh? Bucks. You're a psychic, right? Correct. Well, hang on, hang on, hang on. Oh, wait, I see.
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Shaman. Wait, you communicate with animals? Like you're a druid or a shaman? I am a shaman.
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So I'm also an animal communicator. Wait, are you playing on night slayer? Pardon? Night slayer.
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Like, are you horde? Well, of course you have to be horde because it's like classic world of
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warcraft, but like you're playing a shaman, right? Like it just launched. I, I, I'm not familiar
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with games, the video game world. Perhaps a totem shaman. Uh, yeah. Are you like orc or tauren or troll
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shaman? Uh, you know, I'm not familiar with any of those. And are you like, are you specced into
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healing or are you playing like elemental or enhancement? I, again, I don't, I don't play video
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games. I have no idea what you're talking about. You said you're a shaman. I am a shaman. Are you
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level 60 or like what level? Like what level shaman are you? I am present. So you're like,
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are you a noob though? No, not at all. You're not new. So you're like, like you're level 40.
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Like you're in Zulfurak right now. Uh, I'm experienced. Like you, you have rested XP? Uh,
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you're asking the wrong questions. You're not even diving into the PVP aspect of this at all.
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Well, yeah. Are you going to like, when phase two comes, are you going to grind honor?
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Like, are you going to like go for rank 14, like high warlord or
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technically I am a warrior. No warlord. High warlord for like PVP rank 14.
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Oh, I'm sorry. I'm not familiar with those terms.
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This would be a good point to guys. If any of you are playing world of warcraft,
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night slayer round horde, you guys can send me gold to my character Brixton. It's B-R-I-X-A-N.
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Send me gold, um, on my account. Just like mail it to me and we'll open it up on stream.
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We'll open up the gold. Uh, we'll, we'll read the mail. You got to send me like a,
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I think a hundred gold should be the minimum. We'll take all donations, but like to read something.
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Cause that's basically a TTS, right? Wait, is that, I don't know if that, yeah, that's fine.
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That's fine. Okay. B-R-I-X-A-N, horde, night slayer, PVP realm.
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Um, that's a good question. I work with angels. So when I do the healings, I work with the angels
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and I'm, I simply act as a channel for the angels to do the healings. So it's a, like, um, well,
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essentially angel here. So, um, just a couple of very quick follow-ups before we move down the table.
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Uh, well, everyone has a different, it's a language that is like tongue, I guess. It's the easiest term that some people use.
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Kind of like, uh, I'm trying to remember the name of this artist.
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Uh, I don't think, I don't think it's Enya, but there's an artist that, that also has light language.
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Wait, cheers to the holidays and a great new year from the Discord fam.
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All right, Metro Matt, thanks for the champagne pop. Do appreciate it, man. You're a legend, sir.
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You are a legend, Metro Matt. Thank you, thank you, man.
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Uh, we'll, we'll do that. I'll pop it after the, uh, intros.
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Uh, so wait, Shaman, um, can you show us a spell or something? Do you do spells?
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Okay. Can you cast something on Darkavia next to you?
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No, like a healing spell, because she's kind of like, she's actually battling, um, she's, she has, um,
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she has a terminal illness called, she's bleeding from down, like, she's, what?
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You haven't, I'm diagnosing you right now, because I also, I'm a warlock.
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I'm a warlock, and I can, like, detect magic, and detect illness, so, like, yeah, you, um,
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you should probably go see a, uh, this guy here already arguing with the GM.
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I do detect, I'm detecting a little bit of, I don't know, anyways, whatever.
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Sorry, Andrew, do you have more questions about the shamanism?
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I know, but remind me, we'll get, we'll get back to this.
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Hi, I'm Darcavia, I'm 23, and I'm a full-time babysitter.
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Um, I think I'm going to go into estates and trusts.
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And, um, before that, you got your bachelor's in?
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Um, well, I got my associates at community college first, and then I transferred to finish
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I like the ones where you gotta crank it, and then there's a freaking proper cork.
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I'm a professional speaker, and I also own part, like with the partners, MedSpa in Texas
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It's a popular entertainment channel on YouTube.
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I'm a political analyst, political satirist, and I enjoy doing discussions and debates all
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And I'm glad that you guys are here to talk to tonight.
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Going around the table, what is your relationship status?
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If you're single, how long have you been single?
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And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
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I think my longest relationship was like two and a half years.
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I had like a two and a half year long relationship.
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And my longest relationship in the past was five, almost six years.
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Is it with a guy you're in the open relationship with or a girl?
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Um, but no, I just wanted to spend some time like away from his family because his
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dad was living with us and his brother moved in with us.
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So, I just asked before the holidays to, um, to stay a couple days at my grandparents.
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Um, again, it was just supposed to be like a quick visit at my grandparents, like for
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Um, but ultimately I ended up paying the divorce lawyer.
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Um, here, before we get into the rest of the relationship status, this is a, uh, a cheers
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to Metro Matt and the rest of the Discord family.
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And my longest relationship was, like, five and a half years.
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Um, can I just have you scoot your mic this way a little bit?
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Uh, so the five and a half year relationship is with a woman.
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Um, we were actually married, and I isn't, I'm the one who left.
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But we were together for five and a half years.
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Do you have to list something on the divorce papers?
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The longest relationship in the past has been on and off eight years.
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The most recent, you said you've been single for one month.
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And then the longest relationship, who broke up with who?
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Now, but you did say it was on again, off again.
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The first relationship was on again, off again, probably like three times.
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My first boyfriend was on again, off again for eight years.
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Uh, the first time I broke up with him, it was because he cheated on me.
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The first time he broke up with me and I was a mess because he was my first boyfriend.
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What were the, was it the lengths of the breaks?
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So it was on and off for eight years, but you're pretty much together for eight years.
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I'm currently in a situation show with my ex-boyfriend.
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You mean the guy that cheated on you with like 30 people?
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But yeah, it's like, it's not, we're not exclusive, but I'm only sleeping with him.
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I'll give you, I'll give you the plot synopsis.
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She reaches out to this photographer in Los Angeles to take photos, to do a photo session.
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He shows up to the photo session without a camera.
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Later that night, they have sexual intercourse and then he then proceeds to cheat on her.
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No, we were, we were, we were just friends for three months.
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And then I, and then I kissed him after three months.
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We, I was, I just moved here from Nebraska and I didn't know anyone.
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I knew him through social media because we had a mutual friend.
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And so he was a very, very, very first person I have ever met here.
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And he, him, I was the only person I knew through social media.
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And so I asked to hang out and I was like, oh, yeah, might as well shoot.
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So, and I was like, I was like, kind of like questioning.
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I was like, dude, when were we supposed to shoot?
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And he was like, oh, I didn't thought you were being serious.
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But we were friends for three months before I even decided to kiss him to make my ex in Nebraska
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And then after, I didn't, we didn't personally take a relationship very serious until almost
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With you knowing all this information about him, when you have the experience with him,
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why would you not put your emotion, horniness, whatever it is you're dealing with aside
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Because I don't like sleeping around and I'd rather sleep with the same five, like same
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But you still said, okay, here's our point though.
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So you said we're going to do a photo shoot together.
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He showed up to the photo shoot with nothing besides a joint, no camera, no nothing, just
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That should have been enough of a flag to be like, I don't want to be in any cahoots
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And I'm not saying you're wrong for that because it's something you have to, but it's something
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But now that you learn it, if you were to continue to do that, like I can't blame him
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But you were a different person than I was and I was 19 years old.
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And how are you going to step over how a line that you don't understand the situation?
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Like we teach men that it's okay to do that to us because they do things like that.
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We were literally just friends for three months before anything happened.
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Like you're acting like he was just some random guy.
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Like you're acting like he was some random guy.
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And but just the one altercation that yes, I did shoot with him because he didn't, he literally
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He just thought we were actually just hanging out because that was my first time meeting him.
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And yes, literally two weeks later, we did end up doing a photo shoot because I actually
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So you're acting like that was a, like he was like, oh yeah, sure.
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I'm just saying there was definitely clearly red flags there.
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You're walking over a line that you shouldn't cross because you don't understand the situation.
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Like we're talking about dating and it's an open conversation to understand.
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If that's how it is, then you can tell me that if I don't know all the details.
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Okay, but you can, you're telling me to calm down, but you're the only one who seems agitated
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Yeah, because you're over, you're overstepping.
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Can I, can I please add something to the conversation?
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Since I could be a both mother, okay, and I've lived longer.
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First of all, from your reaction, I see that you, I'm not saying it to disrespect you or
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degrade you, but I, I want you to take my advice.
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But look at you, listen, listen, I don't give a damn what you're telling me because
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This is not the hood that you're treating people like that.
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Okay, don't forget, we still can go outside after the show.
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If you don't like, listen, I'm not afraid of you.
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This girl, this girl said what you say based on what you said to us.
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I wasn't, I was, he, Brian asked me a question and I literally finished, I just answered the
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You can go on a rampage destroying your life, going with stupid people.
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You literally said, yes, she is wrong for that.
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I'm 23 and I was in a relationship with a man for like three and a half years.
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First of all, this is whatever podcast, it's not a therapy.
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So we're not coming here to put our anger or emotional burdens.
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I let you, I let you take out your trash from your mouth.
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She's a little bit older than you and I'm a lot older than you.
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Because you don't give a fuck, your life in 23 look like this.
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We only live life forward and understand them backwards.
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You look like that because you had a stressful last night.
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Listen, we only live life forward and understand them backwards.
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What you do now, it's going to affect you when you be 50, when you're going to be 40.
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You can sit here and say that I do Botox or talk like shit to her.
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You're distracting your life, not my life and not her life.
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And half the women that are on this fucking table have issues.
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So for you to sit here and judge a 23-year-old?
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But again, you're talking down on me for a situation.
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And you calling me that was a red flag that I should have not been his friend?
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No, because you guys are acting like I was going into this.
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You guys are acting like we were both going into this thing in the beginning as if we're
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going into a relationship as if I wanted to be his boyfriend or he wanted to be my boyfriend.
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We were in a professional relationship and he took that as otherwise.
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But I did not want a professional relationship.
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With the information we know now that was given to me, I feel like those things could
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have been red flags to what happened in the future.
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That's all I'm trying to say is usually there is little dollops that they will give to show
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Okay, so can I continue in telling you why he cheated on me?
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It was like those messed Instagram DMs and all that shit.
00:33:00.520
Some people don't consider that cheating or light cheating or whatever, but I consider
00:33:04.900
So yes, when I say he cheated on me 17 times, it's mainly those factors.
00:33:08.800
So yes, it's not like he was going around fucking bitches.
00:33:24.820
I didn't come here to look at your pretty face.
00:33:31.440
So I get that you wanted to point out the red flags for future things so that mistakes
00:33:38.880
And the way both of you went about it, though, was not one of an older, more mature woman.
00:33:54.580
And for two, if you want to take the high route, take the high route.
00:34:00.520
You, I totally understand where you were coming from and how this interaction kind of like
00:34:11.400
But at the same time, guys, if we were talking about something more serious other than just
00:34:19.200
If we were, I meant, if we were talking about something more serious as if, like, you were
00:34:23.180
assaulted or something, you saying, oh, you should have known the red flags.
00:34:33.460
You said I was wrong for ignoring the red flags.
00:34:46.740
And what I'm doing now is simply because I don't want to go around fucking other people.
00:34:51.520
Yeah, I was 18, not knowing you're a single soul in California, the only person I knew
00:35:01.180
I mean, I would still consider 18, 19 to be pretty childlike.
00:35:05.060
That's understandable that she missed those things.
00:35:12.200
You can maybe make the argument for figuratively, but literally.
00:35:16.960
Well, if you're saying literally by definition of the law.
00:35:23.260
If you're an adult, you could be drinking alcohol 18.
00:35:23.860
And 15-year-olds are considered adults in other countries.
00:35:26.860
Then when they were 15 and considered adults, then they literally would have been adults.
00:35:53.440
I was, yeah, I was like, my mindset was still a child.
00:36:15.440
Yeah, but I'm just saying literally is just like a word I use.
00:36:29.860
That's putting all emotions and all everything aside.
00:36:39.300
But I wouldn't say yeah, literally is not the right word.
00:36:45.140
And I feel like that's the correct term that you use.
00:36:53.100
Legally would also have been the appropriate word.
00:37:05.260
I only said literally because of my life experiences at 18 that I did.
00:37:09.820
Like I was like, yeah, I was literally a child.
00:37:16.380
By the word literally is because in the state of mind I was in moving into California.
00:37:23.920
And yes, that's what I mean by literally I was a child.
00:37:47.940
The fact that she was a child or an adult, it doesn't matter.
00:38:08.520
And I've been tolerating for a few minutes now quite a lot of cross talk.
00:38:19.920
We can parse it if there's multiple people talking.
00:38:42.660
So what I'm trying to tell you, it doesn't matter if you're 18 or 19 or 23.
00:38:48.320
Still, it means that you're not taking good decisions for yourself because nobody is going
00:38:53.120
If you're going with a guy that knows that slept with 30 women or cheat on you with 30
00:38:57.140
women, you don't want, it doesn't matter, even if it's three, okay, even if it's two,
00:39:01.680
more than one, you're still taking the risk to get sexual transmitted diseases.
00:39:06.320
You still get to all their energy inside your body.
00:39:09.660
You're still getting a lot of problem from that in your future.
00:39:12.360
Maybe you don't feel it now, but in five, 10 years along the road, you're going to suffer.
00:39:17.300
You're going to have a lot of emotional burden.
00:39:20.120
But, okay, so right now, I was trying to get to my point earlier, why I'm still seeing
00:39:28.340
him and why it's nothing like I'm still seeing him.
00:39:36.400
And I really personally, all I ask of him is if he does do that, to be safe.
00:39:40.800
And yes, we do disclose who we're sleeping with.
00:39:43.260
Even if I do and you're acting like he's only the guy I'm talking to, I can say this publicly
00:39:47.220
that I'm talking to five other guys, literally.
00:39:50.300
So it's just the sleeping factor is why he's currently in my life.
00:39:53.820
So if that is something, I know how intercourse might be natural for some people, but if that
00:40:03.160
is the only reason why you are keeping this man in your life is because you don't want
00:40:06.220
to add another sleeping partner to your roster, we need to fight some bigger demons here.
00:40:15.080
That-that-let's just find someone else and don't sleep with him for a little bit.
00:40:20.660
No, you said you're still with him because you want to sleep with him.
00:40:22.780
No, but we-no, we don't see each other constantly.
00:40:25.360
The fact that you don't even see him still is outrageous, is what I'm trying to say.
00:40:40.240
When he did cheat on me, we were living together.
00:40:42.880
I don't-I don't think that-I think that's a terrible basis to make an open relationship
00:40:45.740
is if you start something as a closed relationship and they just keep-
00:40:50.460
And you're like, okay, let's just open it then.
00:40:52.320
Like, that's not what an open relationship should be.
00:40:58.840
I feel like that makes a terrible light about open relationships.
00:41:08.680
If I wanted to, you're acting like it's not an option.
00:41:11.020
The guys I'm talking to, I'm literally getting to know them.
00:41:13.460
We're just taking information that you're like.
00:41:16.520
And yes, all these other men, probably they're going to fucking see this.
00:41:19.440
The ones I'm talking to, they all know about each other.
00:41:36.800
Because I might argue with every side right now.
00:41:40.240
As someone whose open relationship started from me using him for sex.
00:41:50.480
You think you're using someone, but you're not.
00:41:55.720
Dude, I wish you were in my shoes so you can understand.
00:42:01.580
You care about one thing, and it's literally disgusting.
00:42:12.200
I'm like, I'm really just, you know, I feel objectified and used.
00:42:19.780
Who wants to cuddle with someone that is not his partner?
00:42:32.260
You know, you expect a big explosion, and then it just kind of-
00:42:52.140
We'll do a little toasty here in just a minute.
00:42:55.300
Here, let's get through the rest of the relationship statuses here.
00:42:58.820
But, Darkavia, you are in a situationship for, like, what?
00:43:39.620
Yeah, we started seeing each other two months ago.
00:44:03.580
Um, and I'm not in a relationship for a year and a half now.
00:44:32.960
This is why I have to go to the bathroom so much.
00:45:20.180
You said, why do you silence someone when you choose?
00:45:25.320
I hope you and the whatever audience has a great new year.
00:45:27.760
While I get that sorted, uh, we are gonna let a couple chats come through.
00:45:35.800
Love it when we are not even an hour into the show and the fight breaks out.
00:45:46.880
Fucking broke my nail last night for a fight, so-
00:46:15.720
Take the advice from your elders who have been through things.
00:46:31.260
That is anything, if anything, it's a blessing to grow older and gain more wisdom as you age.
00:46:45.580
She's not debating about with her babysitting kids about the man she's dating.
00:46:50.240
Guys, W's in the chat for Kat, for Gamer Heart, for Noah, for Metro Matt, and Picard.
00:47:02.400
You want to lower the TTS for the last show of the year.
00:47:20.720
If the TTS gets maybe too disruptive, we can consider it, but we will do a roast session
00:47:34.140
Yeah, you're going to get roasted for not speaking into the microphone.
00:47:53.680
Darkavia is typically one of our background characters.
00:47:57.240
But she's a welcome addition to tonight's show.
00:47:59.880
She's replacing an individual who has already flaked on us two, three times.
00:48:14.980
Oh, and then I'm also being blown up because two girls are, came 75 minutes late and I'm
00:48:26.600
We're going to react to some of her, her Instagram posts because not really dating related.
00:48:33.760
This is the individual who has flaked on us three times already and who maliciously,
00:48:42.920
Uh, essentially just trying to lock up a seat to fuck us over because she doesn't like us.
00:48:49.020
Mind you, remember mute the audio on, we're going to play.
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She's a, mind you, Disney, she's a Disney adult.
00:48:58.960
I should have just not, I should have seen it there.
00:49:02.240
Now we're going to react, not dating related at all, but I feel like we got to, you know,
00:49:11.960
There's going to be audio on this for saying, don't put a homophobic racist in office.
00:49:20.920
I get bad press for saying, don't put a homophobic racist in office.
00:49:30.360
I get bad press for saying, don't put a homophobic racist in office.
00:49:37.180
People want to say, don't let politics ruin relationships, friendships, yada, yada, yada.
00:49:46.620
At the end of the day, this election really came down to who people are and what people value basic human rights, being a decent human being, understanding women's rights to have the freedom to their own autonomy, racism, being aware of that.
00:50:04.360
That just who you are, like having morals, having integrity as an American living here in United States.
00:50:16.180
I will never absolutely understand any brown person, any colored person across the spectrum to advocate for a man that is openly racist, is a felon and a rapist.
00:50:29.740
What message are we sending for our children in the future?
00:50:33.940
What message are we sending children right now?
00:50:41.020
I fear any woman that decided to make that conscious decision.
00:50:44.980
I fear any black man or Latino, Hispanics that decided to make the conscious decision to vote for him.
00:50:53.220
Because at the end of the day, he doesn't like people that look like me.
00:51:00.880
You must hate yourself if you made that conscious decision.
00:51:10.160
But I can't even fathom nor correlate conducive sentences that would be even.
00:51:20.360
But what I can say and will fucking stand on is at the end of the day, if you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything.
00:51:29.600
So, if you made that conscious decision to vote for that man, I am asking you respectfully to unfollow me and to remove me as a follower.
00:51:39.060
And at the end of the day, I am going to be only following content creators and influencers that value the same ideology as me and value me as being a mixed, brown, Afro, Latina, girly, and just across the board.
00:51:55.180
So, again, if you made the conscious decision to vote for that man, fucking unfollow me right now.
00:52:28.660
Can somebody from the Crucible crew or everybody from the Crucible crew just ask her what crystal color?
00:52:35.000
Ask her which denomination of Christianity she is, too.
00:52:42.800
If you voted for Trump, I mean this in the most disrespectful way possible.
00:52:47.040
Not only did you vote against basic human rights and equality, you decided racism, homophobia, Islamophobia, transphobia, and misogynisticism.
00:52:54.040
And misogynistic behavior wasn't a deal breaker.
00:52:56.760
And she says in the description, unfollow me and remove me as a follower.
00:53:00.500
I will not be working with any brand company and or individual that doesn't line with my ideologies and values.
00:53:08.900
Okay, that makes kind of, doesn't really make sense, but okay.
00:53:44.800
I feel like she kind of missed the mark with that one given.
00:53:48.280
Dad, please don't talk about politics during Thanksgiving dinner.
00:53:56.680
She wants to just like tank the Thanksgiving dinner because of politics.
00:54:00.680
And then hashtag in the description women's rights or human rights.
00:54:03.820
Now she did say something that is kind of dating related.
00:54:14.240
I suppose this would include romantic relationships.
00:54:16.560
If this individual like voted for Trump or was a Republican.
00:54:19.960
So I mean obviously I do think in relationships having shared values is important.
00:54:26.320
I guess this more so relates to personal friendships or like familial relationships.
00:54:32.120
Where you see people like cutting off family members because of the way they voted.
00:54:37.820
But perhaps the first thing we can get into is.
00:54:39.920
Do you think like valid to like cut off a romantic partner because of who they voted for?
00:54:44.680
And then secondly not dating related but what about like cutting off family members and friends for their voting pattern I guess.
00:54:57.060
I mean I would say it's valid because you could feel whatever you want to feel if that's what you want to do.
00:55:02.000
I'm sure both parties would rather not be in each other's lives anyways.
00:55:11.620
But I would never I personally wouldn't cut someone off for voting for Trump or being Republican.
00:55:17.160
But I would cut someone off for being a Trumper.
00:55:25.040
You can vote Republican because that's you believe in his policies and whatever.
00:55:29.360
But if you have all the MAGA branding and your trucks decked out and all that stuff.
00:55:34.980
I don't believe you should be worshiping anyone but God.
00:55:39.680
Like how he branded the Bible with Trump and people are buying that and how they like I understand voting who you want to vote for.
00:55:46.240
But the fact that they're parading him around like he's some worse like someone that should be like that's it's a it's it's it's politics.
00:55:54.260
Vote for who you want because you believe that's what's going your best interest and you believe what they say.
00:55:59.580
So then any publishing house that puts the publishing house's name on it is an error on the Bible?
00:56:06.200
But that's why all that happened with the Trump Bible.
00:56:07.780
I don't think it's right to brand in like I don't the one I'm speaking about.
00:56:12.400
The one I'm speaking about is the one where it was a normal Bible and it looked like they literally took a branding tool and branded Trump into it.
00:56:22.880
I wouldn't brand someone I look up to or whatever into my Bible.
00:56:29.160
But the thing is, is if a publishing house were to put their brand on it, the last name was like, I don't know, Steve Jack or something or Steve Jack Publishing, you wouldn't think that was an issue.
00:56:39.660
I would if they made a Bible and branded in bold letters that takes up a big, you know, a good maybe not a third, but a good portion of the Bible.
00:56:55.120
I don't I don't I'm not saying that Trump personally endorsed it.
00:57:00.700
OK, so I'm saying the people who are doing things like that.
00:57:03.480
I'm like, OK, like we're doing a little too far, but leaving the Bible alone for a second.
00:57:08.360
OK, I'll just say I'll just be very charitable and say, sure.
00:57:11.340
You know, if they're if they're buying Trump brand Bible that's branded into it or something like this, that's that's one step too far for you.
00:57:20.780
But what about if they have their truck decked out and this type of thing?
00:57:25.860
I'm talking about the one where it's like I'm not saying you can't have a vote for Trump sticker or a flag or whatever.
00:57:31.540
I'm talking about the ones where like like yesterday outside my job, there was a truck that had four flags in the back.
00:57:37.740
You know, the big person has him driving fully encased.
00:57:41.120
And if you vote for Kamala, stay 500 feet away from me.
00:57:45.980
I think that's creating separation and it's doing more evil than good.
00:57:51.000
And the ones who are just taking it like like they're just making him play out to be like he's some God.
00:58:00.720
Sure, because if you're your ideal here is like if you're this into Trump, right, I wouldn't want to be around you anyway.
00:58:07.460
And if they're just advocating that outright, then aren't they doing you a favor?
00:58:12.980
I don't really care overall, but I'm saying I feel like it creates more divide in our country than good is my point.
00:58:18.660
Because you can vote for whoever you want to, but like everyone has the right to react how they want.
00:58:26.680
Like you can have your propaganda you can have, but it's just overarching.
00:58:30.220
Like I had someone post like even after he won, they just put a bunch of like Trumpkin stickers all over my bar.
00:58:37.820
Like I don't, but it's like it's just now you're making them even I feel like look bad.
00:58:44.260
You, what you just said, I respect your point of view, but just to show you from the other side, they did the same.
00:58:50.680
The liberal did the same and even worse when they people got elected.
00:58:57.660
I've never seen someone with three Biden flags running around or anything.
00:59:01.100
The fact that they go and chant in a, in a really crazy way and scream when you don't agree with them, all these psychotic attitudes.
00:59:08.320
We're both talking about the far outsiders and that's what I have an issue with.
00:59:11.840
I have the same issue with the liberals who do all those things.
00:59:19.780
I don't think the normal person who voted for Trump is like that.
00:59:22.800
And I also don't think the normal person who voted for Biden is like that.
00:59:26.600
So I'm saying we're both talking about, we're talking about the small majority.
00:59:29.940
Would you say then that these cities then who have these massive LGBTQ parades and things like this, and they're completely inundated with rainbow flags everywhere, this type of thing, would that be propaganda you would consider divisive?
00:59:48.120
No, like the word that I'm stuck on, I should say.
00:59:51.380
Because I do think that like when we didn't have the rights we have now, I understand why the LGBTQ parades and things were a thing.
00:59:59.040
So I, if I'm, if I, I do believe if I say that there can be LGBTQ pride parade and stuff, there could be a Trump parade or whatever.
01:00:09.920
But isn't it just as divisive, I guess, is my question.
01:00:17.320
Sure, but I'll just grant it with equal here just for the sake of it.
01:00:21.600
But if the, if the argument is like you're all decked out, you got a Trump, you got the Trump truck, you know what I mean?
01:00:28.700
Like the whole nine yards you go, hey, that's really super divisive.
01:00:35.400
I can grant that people would look at that and see it as divisive.
01:00:37.900
But wouldn't you have to say the exact same thing with these kinds of pride parades, which happen?
01:00:43.260
It's the president of our country versus not to sound.
01:00:56.780
I totally lost my whole train of thought with that topic.
01:01:02.380
And I honestly, if I'm being 100% honest, I would like to think more about my overall point about that before I try to put a point.
01:01:10.880
Okay, I think why it's not the same thing, the whole Trump and the gay pride community, is because gays in their community, they had to fight to be accepted into our-
01:01:23.600
Trump literally had been president for how long?
01:01:35.900
Because you have to fight for rights to love someone who you want to love.
01:01:40.160
But Trump is literally fighting for something that half our generation could-
01:01:44.580
Like, I'm not a voter, so I could care less about it.
01:01:49.840
But there's also me that don't really give a shit about politics.
01:01:57.960
I really don't care because I don't give a fuck.
01:02:01.740
I didn't vote for Biden versus Trump because I thought they were both-
01:02:16.660
Okay, so I think what point you brought up when Trump had to fight for presidency, of
01:02:25.640
It is not in a job description to fight to be with the person who you love.
01:02:32.040
What do you say that marriage is part of the American, you know, like, whatever, community.
01:02:39.100
However we were brought up, American dream, marriage, white picket fence, kids, whatever.
01:02:49.580
It's, honestly, it's just a commitment for, like, property.
01:03:00.100
Marriage in the, like, idealized sense is love, right?
01:03:03.880
Yeah, but the thing is, is that's not part of the American dream, no.
01:03:11.680
The idea of, like, a contractual state marriage, no.
01:03:17.820
The idealized version of it, which has been basically promoted as the American dream of,
01:03:24.780
oh, you're going to find somebody that you love.
01:03:33.260
The promotion of men and women being the only ones getting to be married, that is biblical.
01:03:41.240
The Bible and the Constitution should not be one and the same.
01:03:47.400
So it shouldn't decide who gets to love one another.
01:03:52.460
A lot of my family is LGBTQ, and they had to fight for rights.
01:03:56.780
My uncle got HIV because he was, you know, during that time, and he had to fight to get
01:04:02.240
medication to stay alive, where if somebody else got a sickness that's not related to
01:04:10.780
So no, gay pride and everything like that is not divisive.
01:04:15.960
It's only divisive if your views make it divisive.
01:04:18.300
Well, okay, well then, well then, hang on, right?
01:04:29.520
What in the world would that have to do with whether or not it's divisive?
01:04:32.480
You saying, for instance, hey, wait a second, Andrew, right?
01:04:37.760
And it's only divisive because this group over here doesn't like it.
01:04:50.840
So saying that it's divisive, which is the point, there's no way around that.
01:04:55.680
You're saying it's only divisive because this group doesn't like it.
01:04:58.300
Well, that's the point of what divisive means, right?
01:05:05.700
It's divisive, but it's not as divisive as a political election.
01:05:09.280
It's not as divisive as something that affects a literal majority of the U.S. population.
01:05:15.300
Just because somebody has a pride parade, that doesn't affect anybody other than the pride community.
01:05:25.340
If you have a foundational moral, all right, or some type of foundational ethics, and then somebody pushes against those ethics,
01:05:33.660
I can't actually think of anything that would ever be more divisive than that.
01:05:40.780
Like, for instance, let's say if you went to, like, an Islamic nation, and you were like,
01:05:44.120
hey, I don't want the women there to wear burqas anymore.
01:05:46.260
Can you think of anything more divisive than that?
01:05:48.960
But I mean, most of America is for gay marriage and gay rights, though.
01:05:53.340
But hang on, it's a foundational system that their society is built around.
01:05:56.960
If you go and attack the foundational system of the societies, you're literally propagating divisiveness.
01:06:02.880
Well, it would be a foreigner if somebody that's outside of their –
01:06:20.600
If I'm being honest, I know, like, Andrew, seriously, though, like, I understand, obviously,
01:06:27.240
But, like, I feel like that's one thing with – regardless of what your true – your
01:06:32.100
own beliefs are, we are in America, where that's something that we built on being able
01:06:36.960
to do whatever you want to do as long as it's not inhibiting someone else's happiness.
01:06:42.500
It was a land of equal opportunity, and that's equality.
01:06:46.440
It's not to get away from tyrants and to be able to create your own future.
01:06:51.900
The very first thing that happened in the United States after the revolution was George
01:06:57.180
Washington instituted a whiskey tax, raised the militia, and attacked his own countrymen
01:07:06.960
This was not a land which was to be pursuant under anything –
01:07:18.560
Our foundational principles were not based around – in fact, they were based pretty
01:07:22.840
specifically around the idea of God that was in the Declaration of Independence itself.
01:07:27.960
All of the colonies, when you talk about the First Amendment, when you're talking about
01:07:33.240
the separation of church and state, that doesn't actually appear in the First Amendment.
01:07:43.120
So every – the reason that the Tenth Amendment is in place, in fact, is so that they didn't
01:07:49.040
want to tell each of these states which religion they could have.
01:07:52.620
But they were never telling them they could not adopt one.
01:07:55.580
They looked at them as like small countries unto themselves.
01:07:59.040
When you say, like, what is a country founded on?
01:08:04.220
These are new principles came out of, you know, like 70s radicalism, 60s radicalism.
01:08:09.060
Really had nothing to do with foundational principles.
01:08:11.880
So if things can change and they're based off of new principles, then why is having gay
01:08:17.720
Well, you still have to conflict with the same ground and principles which are there.
01:08:22.420
Well, why would a pride parade – what does that affect?
01:08:26.520
Like when men were walking around half-naked in the street and stimulating oral copulation
01:08:32.720
Like, you think that that doesn't bother people?
01:08:34.680
If they were on the streets in the public, then honestly that's on the parents for letting
01:08:53.100
Straight people don't go and show their sexuality.
01:09:03.680
Straight people don't have a parade for their sexuality.
01:09:06.420
Because they didn't have to fight for their sexuality.
01:09:08.200
We can't tarry on this for too long because it does
01:09:12.780
Maybe we should just ask an actual person in the community.
01:09:27.020
And then we'll move it to kind of the next topic
01:09:37.780
What you don't understand, okay, and a majority of people here
01:09:41.620
don't understand, that it's a lot more than this specific community.
01:09:45.500
Because it's tied to other things, you know, to other communities
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that eventually, in the end of the day, it's very, very politic.
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These communities get a lot of so-called human rights organization money,
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okay, to go and do all these parades that you see.
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It's not just for the people, right, to get married and do things.
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So, I mean, the ultimate idea that we're talking about
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So, if you attack a foundational ethic that a society is built around.
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So, I think that society is built on religious values, all of them.
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So, there's no culture on planet Earth that's not informed by its God, gods,
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you know, what it worships, what it doesn't worship.
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It's how human beings seem to function with each other.
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So, anytime that those values, whatever those symbols are that are inside of that
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is to get kind of attacked or, you know, people are pushing against them,
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they want some sort of change, it becomes revolutionary.
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That's like if you're pushing revolution, then that's what people loathe.
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And, you know, what happened in the 60s and 70s with the kind of gay rights push,
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These are rights revolutions that they're pushing towards.
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So, yeah, I can't really think of anything more divisive than that.
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Did we ever even get through everyone's dating status?
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Brian, you got some show notes you want to dive into here?
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So, let me do a couple chats here since they're coming in.
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Daryl underscore Frank Castle 512 donated $200.
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Andrew, I'm a little disappointed in that comment.
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I sleep three hours just to wake up to catch Rose Tower on my way to work.
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Just thought maybe just this once it would be cool.
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Like, literally, this panel is figuratively lit.
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Merry Christmas to the whatever and Crucible Crew.
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Hey, Merry Christmas to the whatever and Crucible Crew.
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It's, like, already very disruptive at the current price point.
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I mean, we lower it later on in the show for people who want to get a word in, but it is what it is.
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Jeff, I've literally admitted to having a roster, and you ladies were judging her on her worst player.
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She got so mad, it made the other five look bad.
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All right, yo, thank you, uh, thank you, Wrongful Rage.
01:14:07.580
What are the long-term consequences of prioritizing transactional relationships over ones based on emotional connection and shared values?
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So what he's asking is, uh, if you make a relationship where you prioritize relationships being transactional rather than honor-based or integrity-based or values-based,
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And this in modernity comes up all the time, right?
01:14:37.320
Yeah, I'll stay home and cook and clean if you're making all the money, right?
01:14:41.440
Well, that's, that becomes transactional, right?
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That's almost view transactional, uh, or, or, you know, as a transaction.
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And so what he's asking is, would it be better to inform relationships not based on what I get, what you get,
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but based on something, some sort of higher semblance of values?
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I, that's why I believe relationships to be a partnership.
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So whereas maybe my future, it will be that my husband goes to work where I stay home and clean and take care of the kids.
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If something were to happen, God forbid, and he needs to stay home, I'm going to pick up that extra slack.
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It's not, it's not like I do this, you do that.
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It's, we help each other to become whole because no, I don't believe any one singular human being can raise a family successively all on their own.
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So we are both coming together to create this new generation and we help each other where one falls.
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Um, when it comes to me and my boyfriend, I don't know where we're going to be in the next like 10 years,
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but our relationship is very much so focused on helping each other out.
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And yes, it is transactional, but it comes from a place of love.
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Like if he's, if he is hurting one month, obviously I'm going to chip in and like help him out through it.
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If I'm hurting because I have like custody of my sister and sometimes, you know, budget gets a little scarce.
01:16:11.740
Um, it is transactional, but it's not solely transactional.
01:16:16.560
Well, could that be viewed, could that be viewed as investment though?
01:16:22.140
So this month you're hurting, I'll take care of the slack, but that's actually an investment because then a couple of months,
01:16:27.840
maybe this happens to me and you cover that, right?
01:16:30.560
It could technically be considered an investment, but it goes both ways.
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Like I'm not going to be like, Oh, sorry, you're having a bad month.
01:16:40.760
So no, so actually this creates like a great point for parallel.
01:16:44.760
So the idea here is should you do those things because you have a duty to not because you think you might get something out of it?
01:16:52.120
Like I, we were helping each other out back when we were just friends with benefits.
01:16:56.160
Like we had no moral or ethical or relationship, like guideline telling us what we should do.
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We just did it because we're both, I would like to say we're nice people.
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And like, I would do that for anybody in a tough spot.
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Um, and so it's based off of what you do when you have that, um, I guess non-committal.
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Like if you just do it out of the kindness of your heart, it builds that relationship.
01:17:24.000
So I do feel like transactions, I do feel like transactions, I got the long pause and I was like, okay, go ahead.
01:17:31.060
So like transactions, I feel like to a certain extent are needed to create the foundation of your relationship.
01:17:38.240
I think, um, in a relationship, you guys are a team and you need to kind of work together to make things work.
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And sometimes you're not at, you're a hundred percent or your partner's not at a hundred percent.
01:17:49.740
You kind of like have to tackle the situations together and see like what you bring to the table to kind of help things get solved when problems come up.
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But what about the, is there a transactional nature to them?
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Sometimes there is, it's just part of the society that we live in.
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If we lived in a different type of society that would not exist.
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For example, indigenous people, this type of conversation wouldn't exist with them.
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Everybody in an indigenous community, depending on their values, has a different duty.
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It just depends on which indigenous group you're referring to.
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Asian indigenous, South American indigenous, African indigenous.
01:18:48.780
But if they're looking at duties, I guess, I guess what I'm asking is if you're saying they're not looking at it from a transactional perspective.
01:18:59.400
In fact, team in some ways actually infers transaction in a way, right?
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It's like the two of us have these different things that we do.
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And if you do them, then I do what I'm supposed to do, right?
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And if you fail to do what you're supposed to do, then I can't operate correctly and et cetera, et cetera, right?
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Some almost, it almost appears on its face to be transactional.
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So when you say indigenous people, for instance, they don't have that type of relationship.
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I'm worried about losing a bit of champagne and I'm worried about the fucking clean up.
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So, so anyway, yeah, that's what the, that's what the idea is, is like, so what, what are
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the things which would not be transactional then that would be valued there?
01:20:07.140
You know, honestly, for me to really dig deeper into it, I would like the dictionary definition
01:20:11.680
of a transactional means so that I could have a real basis on it.
01:20:21.300
Like, I give you a dollar, you give me this iced tea.
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So, I get, you get would be as simplified as I can make the idea of transactional.
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So, then a mother and child go, go also into transactional.
01:20:48.720
Well, don't you have a duty to take care of the child even if you don't like the child?
01:20:57.260
I think the transaction is your bloodline continues or your family lineage continues.
01:21:06.400
If there's just, if you're just walking down the street, right?
01:21:09.300
And there's a kid and he's like on a mound of dirt crying as, like you have a duty to take
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I don't feel like a lot of people think it's a duty.
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So it's like, if you have a baby, there should not be any transactional value.
01:21:45.420
Yeah, but I mean, any child in your possession, any child that you are responsible for.
01:21:53.300
Yeah, he was talking about a random child of a dirt.
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I would say, but she's saying that it's different what I'm saying because you're talking about
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I would say, as a human being, if you're walking down the street and see a random child crying
01:22:14.860
If you would see a random baby, you would try to figure out.
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As a human being, I would not leave the kid on a pound of dirt.
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But again, I would get pissed off at their parents because where's their parents?
01:22:29.500
We're talking about you have a duty to y'all pass that child.
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So we can explore that real quick, just to make the point.
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Let's say you and somebody else were walking at the same, you didn't know each other.
01:22:42.500
He's walking this way, you're walking this way, baby in the dirt crying, he just walks
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You go over and you're like, holy shit, there's a baby in the dirt crying.
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And you grab him and you're trying to take care of this baby or whatever.
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Well, then what you're saying is that there's a duty there.
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Because you have a duty to take care of that child.
01:23:06.260
I don't even really agree with him all the time, but I'm just saying you have a duty.
01:23:09.640
As a human being with any conscience, you have a duty to take care of a main child.
01:23:18.960
Yeah, okay, yeah, okay, yeah, I get what you're saying now.
01:23:21.280
Of course, we would just do that out of the kindness of our own heart, of course.
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But regardless, if we would do it out of the kindness of our own heart, it is a duty to
01:23:36.980
We're talking in relationships about the distinction between what are your duties and what's a transaction.
01:23:41.560
And so often in modernity, the way that this gets kind of parsed up is, you know, if this
01:23:47.040
guy's not cutting the muster or this girl's not cutting the muster, done, right?
01:23:52.040
I'm not getting the end that I deserve for what I'm putting in, right?
01:23:56.040
That's the transactional nature of relationships.
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And so what's being asked here is, well, are there higher duties other than, well, I don't
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feel fulfilled or this transaction's not being completed to my standard?
01:24:07.480
Is there some other duty there that should keep you moving in a relationship, regardless
01:24:14.840
Well, I think just communication, I mean, that's a duty.
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And if you're not feeling fulfilled in one way or for what you previously agreed upon,
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You can't have a relationship, transactional or not, without communication.
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So I think that's what is the biggest base of a relationship.
01:24:34.120
Well, then what would you say you have as a duty in a relationship?
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So I think a duty that you have in a relationship is to always be open to what the other person
01:24:50.420
Because you can, you can like hear somebody, but you're not listening, right?
01:24:59.360
And then not listen and not put action into it.
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I wouldn't, I wouldn't consider that transactional.
01:25:04.120
That's just, if you care about this person, you're going to listen, even if they're not
01:25:09.500
Yeah, but you also have duties to not listen, right?
01:25:13.900
Like what you have, whatever you would consider verbal abuse to be, wouldn't you have a duty
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If somebody is verbally abusing you in a relationship, you shouldn't be in that relationship.
01:25:26.840
But anybody who says that, well, it depends on how you define verbal abuse.
01:25:31.400
I've been in a verbally abusive relationship, and I understand, but...
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Let's say you're with somebody who, for like four years, who's just fine, and quips off
01:25:37.820
at the mouth and says something mean to you, right?
01:25:40.440
You could classify that as verbal abuse, but you're not leaving them over it.
01:25:45.520
I would, because I would classify verbal abuse as continuous, like it, because obviously everyone's
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human, and we all have our reactions sometimes that we, even we can own it, we can admit
01:25:54.680
ourselves, we shouldn't have reacted that way, but if you continuously react that way against
01:26:01.840
But that's my whole point, is like, just verbal abuse in and of itself.
01:26:12.180
I don't think that people would normally classify that as relationship ending, right?
01:26:21.240
It has to be some kind of pattern of behavior, right?
01:26:24.860
When you say that, though, then I think about physical abuse, and I don't think there should
01:26:31.180
The first thing I said was that there should be a pattern for it to be verbal abuse, but
01:26:33.980
then I thought about it, and there shouldn't be a pattern for it to be constituted as physical
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I don't know what the right terminology would be, because I do think it is a little different,
01:26:48.740
The whole idea here is just to ask this, right?
01:26:51.380
If it's not transactional and there's duties, what are they?
01:26:55.400
They have a duty to listen to everything I say, it's like...
01:26:59.560
It's like, well, maybe, but when you think that through, that doesn't make too much sense,
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You can listen, but there's a difference between listening and believing.
01:27:08.340
Do you even really have a duty to listen to everything everybody says?
01:27:15.540
What I'm saying is you have a duty to, like I said, listen and not ignore.
01:27:21.920
So if I'm sitting down with my boyfriend and I'm like, hey, I really didn't like how you
01:27:28.280
That was kind of like, night's supposed to be about me.
01:27:41.120
And is it verbal abuse when I'm playing an Xbox and I'm in the middle of Mission 3
01:27:46.120
on, you know, and I'm like, you know, I'm literally gunning people down in this game
01:27:51.560
And she comes in and she's like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:27:56.520
If you said, shut the fuck up, bitch, that's a little different.
01:28:10.740
But so the thing is, if you say no, then the idea here is like, and the duty for this
01:28:23.880
I just meant like if your partner comes up to you and is like, oh my God, I love that
01:28:30.880
You know, maybe plan an anniversary around that.
01:28:33.140
Like listening to the small details and taking into account what they really like, because
01:28:36.920
that's going to be out of the kindness of your own heart.
01:28:38.640
They're not asking you to take them out to that restaurant again.
01:28:41.560
You're just doing that out of the kindness of your own heart.
01:28:44.020
That I feel like is really fundamental because I'm the type of person that loves when somebody
01:28:50.920
It could be as simple as like, oh, I love hot Cheetos.
01:28:53.240
And somebody brings me like one of those tiny $1 bags of like hot Cheetos.
01:29:01.240
Well, the idea here is, is like, I like this thing, right?
01:29:10.660
So it's like, it's like, it's like swiping your credit card.
01:29:13.140
Well, that's why I think transactional is like about how many times, right?
01:29:15.700
Like, like you said, I do dishes, you go work, right?
01:29:21.300
But if you can't go to work for a year, whatever it is, and I still do dishes, I go to work.
01:29:27.840
It's no longer a transaction because that's when like, yeah, if you, if you have that agreement
01:29:32.060
with your partner and the one time they can't do it, you're like, sayonara, that's transactional.
01:29:39.220
So I'll just end it here before, so Brian can move it on, right?
01:29:49.280
And it's, it's heavily on the transactional side.
01:29:51.860
You don't feel like there's necessarily a ton of greater duties and you don't feel fulfilled
01:30:04.340
Cause I believe once there's marriage involved, you have a duty to that partner.
01:30:08.100
You should be finding your one true match that you don't have, like it should be obviously
01:30:12.960
of issues, but it should be pretty easy before you have a mortgage and kids involved.
01:30:21.220
Um, I would have a conversation with my partner about it.
01:30:23.820
If I'm not feeling fulfilled in the relationship, uh, that could actually be my doing, you know,
01:30:29.460
that could be my fault because I'm not, you know, seeking out friends to hang out with.
01:30:33.180
And I'm just totally basing my relationship on their happiness, which is not healthy.
01:30:39.940
So, um, it just sounds like a transactional thing.
01:30:44.840
I mean, when you're, when you make your partner, your soul focus and your soul world, in my
01:30:52.820
experience, I was never expecting anything in return.
01:30:56.140
Maybe like a couple of date nights here and there, which I don't feel like is hard to ask,
01:30:59.880
but, um, you know, yeah, but what I'm saying is communication needs to happen before deciding
01:31:32.580
Uh, Noah, we're out of champagne bottles, but do not fear.
01:31:36.040
Um, I have some coming, but we have to delay the champagne pop.
01:31:39.640
Speaking of which, the one from Pico Steins, we popped it.
01:31:49.800
So, uh, we'll do a quick cheers to Pico Steins.
01:31:52.040
Then Noah, I'll be sure to get yours once we have the champagne balls in studio.
01:32:13.700
It is at this point in the battle one must wonder what the warmen bring to a relationship besides three usable holes and an attitude.
01:32:22.200
Respect to you, Brickson and Andrew, for facing this tripe weekly.
01:32:35.560
I appreciate you tuning in here for our last show.
01:32:41.160
Sorry for the delay in, uh, getting your TTS in.
01:32:49.160
Because you're just, you're taking a couple people speaking and saying that all women are not, like, most men.
01:32:58.880
I would say women as well could not have a family and raise them successfully on their own.
01:33:17.940
But he can never be there for me and understand certain things as another woman.
01:33:24.740
But he's saying that this, what we're saying is make him believe that women are useless and there's no reason to even have a family with one.
01:33:32.720
And that's why I'm saying when he asks the question on the paper, would I have a problem with this thing, is it divides too much.
01:33:45.840
But now all the podcasts, it's either men hating on women or women hating on men.
01:33:56.420
We can have these discussions, but just because we debate and disagree, shouldn't mean that.
01:34:03.140
Because I'm not saying a woman needs a man and a man needs a woman.
01:34:06.060
But heterosexually, if you want to have a successful family,
01:34:10.480
you can, obviously, as a single parent, raise a child well.
01:34:27.140
He says, Merry Christmas to both of you and Rachel, too.
01:34:35.060
To Kiko, having S with A, trans woman is gay, in Chase's voice.
01:34:48.520
And the fact that you paid for that and didn't spell check beforehand is actually insane.
01:34:53.120
You kind of did put some disrespect on Trump's name.
01:34:55.840
If you're going to pay for something, the least you could do is proofread, my boy.
01:35:07.460
I will never hate on someone's grammar, but you paid for that shit, so you have the money
01:35:11.860
Then you made a mistake on writing Trump's name.
01:35:13.940
He said T-R-U-N-P, and that wasn't the first mistake he made in that whole sentiment.
01:35:20.420
That could potentially be a bit of a segue on this topic.
01:35:24.360
Normally, we save it for a little later on, but we might as well get into it a bit earlier.
01:35:35.060
It's not, so the statement is, not straight for a man to date a trans woman, to which you
01:35:50.300
So, if they're a fully transitioned trans woman, and there's, like, nothing male physique about
01:35:57.620
them at all, and they identify as a trans woman, and they've done the name change, and they
01:36:01.900
put in the work, and that is who they are, I don't think it's gay to be dating them.
01:36:08.680
So, if they have, if they have a, you also brought me into this, though, and, like, side
01:36:20.720
Because of the fact of genitalia, I would say that it is not a fault of the other person
01:36:27.800
for not being willing to date them, because that is based off of sexual attractedness
01:36:34.000
to genitalia, and my boyfriend, he's straight, but he is, like, I'm not attracted to genitalia
01:36:41.260
at all, so, like, the thought of maybe being with a female transitioning, you know, male
01:36:47.100
transitioning into female, it doesn't totally put him off, but there would have to be changes,
01:36:55.760
Like, they'd have to look feminine, because he's attracted to feminine, but I wouldn't
01:37:01.040
For a fully post-op woman, they're a woman, so, no, it's not gay.
01:37:08.800
Um, okay, uh, you also said that you were maybe on the statement, transgender individuals
01:37:15.920
have a duty to disclose to romantic partners, to which you say, maybe?
01:37:19.800
Again, if they're fully transitioned, and they look like...
01:37:24.400
That's a part of their private medical history.
01:37:28.420
They have to, hold on, they, I would say that they would have to disclose the fact that
01:37:35.260
But, like, okay, so, if someone has, we were talking about, you said it's not, you said
01:37:42.180
they don't have to disclose, because that's their own medical history, so you're telling
01:37:45.220
me, so, when I sleep with, doesn't have to disclose if they have a sexually transmitted
01:37:48.560
disease, or something else, that's all medical history.
01:37:50.980
You're using the Andrew argument, good job, Chico.
01:38:01.080
But it's, it's, I, cause I'm, trust me, everyone hates me on this podcast because of the things
01:38:04.420
I've said, so I'm not trying to do anything against you.
01:38:07.100
But it's, if you are, that is something that if you, cause that has to do with your sexual
01:38:13.880
So, if you've had something done to your sexual organs, I feel like I have the right
01:38:17.100
to know that before I am intimate sexually with you.
01:38:20.620
It's the same thing about people with AIDS and HIV.
01:38:23.000
They're like, oh, you don't have to disclose, cause I, I'm on my medication, and I'm not
01:38:27.500
No, even if you're not transmittable or not, if you have HIV or AIDS, whatever, I have
01:38:32.600
Again, if, I agree with you, if there's a, if there is a factor or a potential of you
01:38:38.260
being physically affected by what they're going through, then they have an obligation
01:38:44.040
But you'll be physically, mentally affected if you date someone that you didn't know.
01:38:47.860
Like, if I would go with a man that he was a woman before, and I didn't know, cause
01:38:52.060
I really like alpha male, and he pretend to be alpha male.
01:38:59.200
I don't know about what she said, but it's just, you have a right to know who you're with.
01:39:03.980
Like, if they had a whole different being, like, I'm so open.
01:39:08.100
But if I'm dating someone, I have the right to know if they were a different whole gender
01:39:17.140
Like, that's where, that's why people start getting mad.
01:39:19.520
Because you, you, someone has to, they should have, they have the right to make a conscious
01:39:25.220
And anyways, if you are trans, why do you want to be sleeping with someone who wouldn't want
01:39:31.000
Like, if anything, it's for your own safety to disclose something.
01:39:33.860
Because if you're in the room with them, if you're in the motel bed, whatever, with them
01:39:36.620
and they realize something, that's how people get murdered and killed.
01:39:39.980
So it's your right to disclose all that information for your own safety.
01:39:47.700
Athena, you said, you disagree that transgendered individuals have a duty to disclose to romantic
01:39:57.900
I circled it because I think it's just more like when.
01:40:08.720
Or can it be like when you meet them in person, you disclose that?
01:40:24.920
I don't think you should be like, hi, my name is Kiko and I'm trans or whatever.
01:40:28.320
But on a dating app, you should probably have that in your bio.
01:40:59.420
I need to allow a few chats to come through because they're piling up.
01:41:42.940
All those around you seek to champion degeneracy.
01:41:53.420
I was just saying regardless of what, because obviously every individual woman is different.
01:42:09.540
So as a man, regardless, even if you get a surrogate or whatever, you need a man to have a family.
01:42:15.120
I'm not talking about a day-to-day life, whatever.
01:42:17.480
But if you want to live a good life with a family, a woman needs to be involved in some point.
01:42:35.900
I think this pertains to the previous conversation.
01:42:42.060
He's just pointing out that when you're having the duty versus transaction argument, that it does seem to always just kind of reduce back to transaction and not duty.
01:42:56.220
Andrew and Kiko agreeing it's a Christmas miracle.
01:43:02.540
Next, the blind will see and the lame will be able to open the champagne.
01:43:14.400
Merry Christmas and happy 2025 to whatever in the crucible.
01:43:39.620
I was hoping for somebody who disagrees, but...
01:43:43.100
Honestly, throughout history in certain indigenous tribes and everything, there wasn't a hard
01:43:55.020
It wasn't considered a mental disorder until...
01:44:07.640
I can't remember what he called them, but it was just with one particular tribe, roughly
01:44:12.340
translated to something like two-spirit, but there's actually no serious documentation
01:44:18.380
for the idea of two-spirit among Native Americans.
01:44:20.620
Well, I can speak as someone who's raised pagan, a lot of pagan communities, which did come
01:44:29.320
We also don't view sexuality based off of what you are born with.
01:44:34.540
In fact, the early pagan tribes, especially the Germanic tribes, they actually executed people
01:44:42.400
in same-sex relationships, and this was actually well-documented by the Greeks, especially
01:44:50.760
by the early Greek philosophers because they were studying pagan tribes.
01:44:53.960
Okay, Greeks and Romans who also had same-sex relationships with altar boys.
01:45:02.020
Well, usually when people say pagans, they're not referring to...
01:45:07.700
They're usually referring to barbarian tribes, which were later conquered by the Romans.
01:45:13.020
So when people say, like, I have a pagan religion, I'm not talking about Romans.
01:45:19.160
They're usually going for the more tribal paganism, right?
01:45:22.460
Like, specifically because you said German, is that what you...
01:45:25.340
Germanic tribes, the Picts, there was many different...
01:45:29.100
The Britannians, all of these different tribes, yeah, they came down pretty hard on it, actually,
01:45:35.320
Yeah, so not surprisingly, those are not the most popular ones that stuck around, and that's
01:45:53.880
Well, first of all, they didn't call themselves Vikings.
01:45:57.460
Okay, but yeah, the Nordic pagans, yeah, they were not fans.
01:46:08.840
I don't associate with that, but also we have Druid paganism.
01:46:17.060
Like one of the whole Loki, like Loki turning into a horse and humping another horse and the
01:46:25.560
Yeah, but these mythologies are based around...
01:46:28.480
Remember I was saying culture comes from the ethos of the religion, right?
01:46:33.260
And so if you study especially Nordic gods, right?
01:46:46.100
But with men, because there was such a dominance culture, that was a no-go.
01:47:00.120
Yeah, and the idea with the trickster god is like, you don't want to be tricked because
01:47:10.640
Well, I mean, I'm just telling you how those cultures viewed it.
01:47:17.620
Going back to your earlier argument here, right?
01:47:20.280
So I was thinking about what you were saying on disclosure.
01:47:23.260
And maybe I can bring some clarification to it.
01:47:25.880
I'm saying, what's a really good way to show and demonstrate my side of this?
01:47:31.640
You know that there's like apps where you can download the app and it'll show you every
01:47:37.440
sex predator that's in your like radius, right?
01:47:43.440
Well, wait, that's really weird, though, because that's not going to like rub off on somebody.
01:47:49.760
It's not going to like rub off on them if you date them and they don't disclose their
01:47:54.780
Like, why do you deserve to know their history?
01:47:59.640
But that doesn't mean that they will assault you.
01:48:07.740
Yeah, you're comparing trans to people on a registry.
01:48:13.580
Anytime you test logic, anytime you test logic, you're going to be comparing two different
01:48:21.460
They're not comparable because being trans yourself does not affect another person.
01:48:27.140
Neither does you being a person who has done something which puts you on that sex registry.
01:48:36.300
So you're saying it's the victim's fault for them being on a sex registry?
01:48:41.120
I'm not even calling them victims or anything like this.
01:49:01.280
That doesn't mean that person is going to hurt you.
01:49:04.080
Okay, but how is that comparable to a trans person?
01:49:06.480
Because if you feel like you deserve to have this thing disclosed to you, just based on
01:49:11.600
your feel, well, then why wouldn't you advocate to get rid of those apps?
01:49:19.180
Since these people are not actually, there's no way for you to determine they would ever hurt
01:49:24.600
you in a million years or do anything bad to you in a million zillion years.
01:49:27.460
You have no way to actually make that determination.
01:49:30.680
Yet you look at this and you say, that informs your decision on what you would or would not
01:49:42.200
And that's why you deserve to be on that registry.
01:49:44.240
Because they've specifically hurt another human.
01:49:47.600
You can be, technically, you could be on the sex registry for peeing on the sidewalk as
01:49:56.060
So it's up to the partner to make that discretion if that's something they're okay with.
01:50:00.200
So you disclose to them, hey, I'm on the sex registry.
01:50:03.940
It's just because I pissed on the sidewalk, whatever.
01:50:05.960
So it's up to you as a trans partner to tell them, hey, I'm trans.
01:50:11.200
But it's up to their discretion to say that's okay.
01:50:14.560
If it were the case that all trans people, let's say, just like we're put on a similar
01:50:19.640
sort of registration, just like people were put on a sex registration, not advocating
01:50:27.040
Do you think that that would, if people were informed of that, they would make different
01:50:33.260
And so then the idea, so this is the same concept.
01:50:36.960
All of this to say, I never said that they shouldn't disclose the information.
01:50:41.840
I'm just saying that they are not obligated to, especially if they are fully transitioned.
01:50:48.240
It depends, in my opinion, it depends on how emotionally invested you are with somebody.
01:50:53.700
If you feel safe enough to open up to them and tell them, hey, yeah, I'm trans.
01:50:59.460
If you are hooking up with someone that you don't feel safe enough to disclose the fact
01:51:04.740
that you're trans to, what happens when you're alone in the room with them and they find
01:51:11.080
Sometimes they figure out, but if they, you're, if you're, you're, cause you said, if they're
01:51:16.680
safe enough to disclose it, then they can disclose it.
01:51:18.480
If they're not safe enough to disclose the fact that they're trans, then they shouldn't
01:51:25.440
So that's the whole point is why you should just disclose it.
01:51:27.740
Cause if you can't disclose it, then you shouldn't be with them.
01:51:29.800
So I just have a few things to go back and forth here.
01:51:32.500
So your position before is you said that if they fully transitioned and this includes
01:51:38.400
operative surgery on their genitalia, that in that scenario, there is no duty to disclose.
01:51:45.000
There's no, yeah, there's no duty, but I would almost think.
01:51:47.680
But moral obligation, again, it's the, it's the debate between duty and moral obligation.
01:51:52.280
Well, I sort of conflate the two to some degree.
01:51:58.720
Okay, but that's an ethical debate and you can't agree on ethics 100% of the time.
01:52:04.620
Should transgender individuals disclose to romantic partners that they're transgender?
01:52:11.660
But it sounds like, so just to be clear though, even if they've had operative procedures.
01:52:20.260
If a trans, but hang on, this makes no sense because if a trans partner should disclose
01:52:26.100
to a person they're having a romantic relationship with, then why would they ever go on a date
01:52:34.760
Well, if you're in the scenario of like dating apps, it's dangerous to put that on dating
01:52:40.580
Wouldn't it be more dangerous to go on a date with them without telling them?
01:52:48.720
People get murdered when they put their information on dating apps and then get lured in by psychos.
01:52:53.620
But if a guy go out with a woman that she's not originally a woman and he's really an alpha
01:53:00.080
male, he's going to take it personal and get pissed off.
01:53:03.500
So, you're saying that it's the trans person's fault for being trans for being murdered.
01:53:08.860
So, you're saying it's their fault for the person that they go out on a date with.
01:53:13.040
If they decide, oh, you lied to me, I'm going to murder you.
01:53:16.000
No, I'm not saying that that's an okay reaction.
01:53:19.980
What you're talking about is called the trans panic defense, a terrible defense.
01:53:32.600
So, on the safety thing, though, it would occur to me that, because you bring up safety,
01:53:40.440
If they disclose on the dating apps, it's a safety concern for them.
01:53:43.800
Now, I don't think that violence is warranted in this sort of situation, but the reality
01:53:47.360
of the situation is, wouldn't the trans individual be safer?
01:53:56.340
But I do think the trans individual would be safer if they made a disclosure as early
01:54:02.640
For example, if they were to go on a date and have sex with a person and not disclose,
01:54:06.940
then this could potentially lead to a violent interaction if they were to disclose afterwards
01:54:16.960
But you did make a differentiation when it came to who would be, I guess, obligated to
01:54:23.960
disclose based on how much of a transition they've made.
01:54:30.300
And you said, well, if they've not made much of a transition or they haven't had the genitalia
01:54:36.640
But if they've done everything, bottom surgery, then no, no duty there.
01:54:41.760
But I would argue that the, I think the bigger bamboozle here, because for example, if a straight
01:54:49.140
man would have an objection to sleeping with somebody with a penis when the penis is inevitably
01:54:55.600
Because post-op or pre-operatively, this would then give them an opportunity to remove their
01:55:04.000
However, somebody who is genuinely heterosexual, who is genuinely straight, and you do have some
01:55:09.740
sort of passing neo-vagina, which I think is unlikely because a neo-vagina is not a vagina.
01:55:18.200
But in any case, granting that it is, you have essentially forced somebody into what I view
01:55:23.360
as a homosexual act, which I think is technically SA.
01:55:26.840
But I do want to say that from the safety concern, you've gone ahead, like, if there's a discovery
01:55:36.360
of a penis, the person can, while frustrated, knows immediately, and then can extract themselves
01:55:43.380
If you have, like I said, a passing neo-vagina, you could induce an otherwise heterosexual man
01:56:02.960
Again, I think if they've had all the surgeries, and they're on all the horse,
01:56:12.940
It doesn't, but can you see chromosomes in, like, a person?
01:56:17.640
Yeah, you can see the phenotypes from the chromosome.
01:56:19.780
Okay, so if you were looking at me right now, what gender would you say I am?
01:56:29.820
I'd say your sex, I would think, would be female, based on secondary sex characteristics.
01:56:41.240
So, there's a phenotypical expression with your genotype.
01:56:44.200
So, your genotype's male, genotype female, and then you have a phenotypical expression
01:56:48.940
But you're changing the phenotypical expression.
01:56:54.120
Can I do a magic trick right now where it would appear to you as though I could make a quarter
01:57:05.460
But that doesn't actually mean that the phenotypical expression itself has anything to do with the
01:57:13.640
Okay, but why is not being able to change your chromosomes?
01:57:18.900
Why is that a deciding factor for if it's homosexual or not?
01:57:24.280
Yeah, so, straight is short form slang for heterosexual, correct?
01:57:29.600
So, heterosexual and homosexual, these terms have always related to one's sex, not their
01:57:37.300
The same sex attraction, opposite sex attraction has nothing to do with gender.
01:57:42.180
So, I'll go ahead and grant that transgender women are women.
01:57:46.720
So, two males engaged in a romantic or sexual relationship definitionally is homosexual.
01:57:51.800
A male and a female in a, hold on, hold on, a male and a female who are engaged in a romantic
01:57:58.140
or sexual relationship, that would be heterosexual.
01:58:01.140
You can, a male and a male who are engaged, hold on.
01:58:06.520
The, literally the definition, unless you're going to be a science denier, which is, seems
01:58:14.220
You're going to have to explain to me how somebody can change their sex, unless you're
01:58:20.840
prepared to disregard and deny decades or even centuries of biological science, which
01:58:34.420
So, unless you're prepared to deny science, you're going to have to explain to me how a
01:58:43.080
Does it, does that, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.
01:58:47.400
If you're going to nitpick the organ thing right now and start saying like, oh, uterus
01:58:54.000
Are they, are they, are they, are they, are they, are they a woman before the surgery?
01:59:03.180
Wait, so you're saying transgender women are not women?
01:59:06.600
Wow, that's pretty insulting to people who are, identify as transgender.
01:59:11.280
What I'm saying is they can identify as a woman and they can have the characteristics of a
01:59:17.080
woman and they can be going through the process of becoming a woman, a female, but you're switching
01:59:23.240
You said that because the chromosomes won't change, that makes it homosexual.
01:59:46.920
So you just, what you just said is that they can't change their sex.
01:59:49.600
They can't change any part about themselves to make them more of a woman.
01:59:56.940
They can't be, because they're already a woman.
01:59:58.920
So then what you're saying is that a trans woman.
02:00:16.080
Is the correct answer that you're looking for chromosomes?
02:00:18.620
You don't, I don't, I don't need you to look for whatever the correct answer is.
02:00:24.000
But that's what I'm asking because I don't have an answer.
02:00:30.200
Well, I'm just asking why it's, this is your, what's your answer?
02:00:34.220
Well, you think, why do you need to know my answer to know your position?
02:00:44.240
You guys are the one saying that it's homosexual because you can't change your chromosomes?
02:00:50.020
I'm asking about a previous thing that still has been refused to be answered.
02:00:53.420
But this is, you can internally critique my position.
02:00:57.620
But what you're doing right now is you're just the office games.
02:01:00.780
I'll answer your questions, but answer mine first.
02:01:10.120
But then I want you to promise that after I answer them all, you'll answer mine.
02:01:16.140
So why is, why does not having female chromosomes make a sexual act homosexual if the male to
02:01:28.740
You mean man to woman because you cannot go from male to female.
02:01:41.140
So if two male dogs were having sex, would they be engaged in a homosexual act?
02:01:50.540
I would never think about what dogs are doing as homosexual as a straight.
02:01:54.160
Then it's not a male to woman transformation that we're talking about.
02:02:02.020
Okay, what if one of the dogs didn't have a penis?
02:02:09.160
The one with the penis would be humping the other dog?
02:02:12.060
Okay, then I wouldn't say that that's homosexual.
02:02:17.700
I think comparing humans to animals in this scenario is actually kind of degrading.
02:02:27.480
We have higher brain cognitive function and we have the ability to decide.
02:02:30.520
So are you saying human beings are not animals?
02:02:38.940
A dog cannot choose whether or not they want to be a woman.
02:02:42.080
But that's the whole point that Brian's making.
02:02:44.480
So if the dog can't make the choice, the gender choice, which is this construction of the mind.
02:02:49.260
The construction of the mind, gender, does not exist in objective reality.
02:02:55.860
So if that is the case, there's no way for you to ever determine that a dog could ever be a female unless it told you.
02:03:05.380
So then even if one dog had no penis and another dog did have a penis and that dog was having sex with the dog, had no penis, it would still be a homosexual act, right?
02:03:21.720
Well, because the only difference is, is that you're saying that if the dog, one dog who currently is a homeless, hang on, hang on.
02:03:30.040
You're saying the one dog currently who's engaged in the homosexual act were able to somehow turn its head around and just speak in perfect English and say, by the way, I'm a girl dog.
02:03:45.560
If that dog was able to get a transitional surgery where it had a dog vagina and it had dog titties, then yes, it would be a female dog.
02:03:57.240
So I just want to make sure, if I were to mad scientist this up and just grabbed a random male dog from the street, took its penis off, gave it a neo-vagina, then gave it dog titties somehow.
02:04:13.040
When the other male dog comes in, right, and has sex with it, right, that other dog, in your view, is a female.
02:04:28.080
If that dog somehow had some birth defect, that it grew titties, and then it lost its penis because it got hit by a car, how is it not still a male dog then?
02:04:48.120
So your whole argument's coming back to chromosomes and how it was born?
02:04:54.280
Well, no, that is inherently what you're asking, though.
02:04:54.920
Like if a man lost his penis in an accident, lost his penis in an accident, and then had a massive quantity of, right, that's it.
02:05:20.740
If it is a social construction, and it has to be identified as a social construction, as a product of purely the mind.
02:05:33.160
No, because if it were the case that some man, let's just say, some man was walking down the street, and his penis was cut off, and through some freakish fucking accident, okay, a razor came flying down, cut a huge slit open right there, and he had to keep it open for some reason.
02:05:53.600
A penis could fit into it technically, then his body upped the estrogen, and he was able to grow boobs, and he had to have that done for some reason, and he said that he was a man, he'd be a man, right?
02:06:12.580
If a traumatic accident that's super unlikely to ever happen.
02:06:17.680
Gave the same conditionals for this person to have all the phenotypes.
02:06:22.480
Versus somebody going through actual professional treatments.
02:06:28.740
Because if, all I'm saying is, if there was some freak accident, which somehow gave the same exact conditionals as what you would consider the phenotypical expression of a female to be, but still called themselves a man, you would say that they were a man.
02:06:44.060
So the only thing that would make them a woman is you saying they're a woman.
02:06:50.020
I mean, if you want to put me in that box, sure.
02:06:55.520
You don't decide what they are, but you basically, whatever someone says they are, you're going to agree.
02:07:01.980
Because how am I, somebody who doesn't know their life, doesn't know how, what they've been through, I don't know what's in their head, what's wrong with it.
02:07:15.480
No, why do I have the right to dictate what somebody else does with their own body?
02:07:20.360
Because it's not about doing their own, it's not the point.
02:07:23.780
The point is that emotions, emotions are irrelevant.
02:07:40.620
It's a man pretending to be a woman and going through the surgery and manipulate.
02:07:44.800
If you look at two people who are in the face, Kika, let her finish.
02:07:48.280
The problem is that they manipulate their body.
02:08:07.260
The people who, I don't want to say names, but the people who make that all agenda, right?
02:08:13.020
They're forcing people, okay, to have a male changing his sex and forcing regular men who are not gay by any mean, okay, to manipulate them to think that they are women.
02:08:32.180
And it's not correct because it's manipulating.
02:08:36.400
You sit here for an hour and argument about chromosome.
02:08:39.000
You're scared when Andrew and him told you about chromosomes.
02:08:47.340
I realize all people that think like you're scared from the chromosome thing.
02:08:51.940
It's a biological, listen, it's a biological fact.
02:09:05.020
I'm 23 and I'm six foot and you just don't look at me right.
02:09:09.820
I want to understand what's wrong with your sight because I'm young.
02:09:22.880
Who's manipulating people to change their gender?
02:09:30.060
I'm actually really worried as to what makes you think people are manipulating other people to change their...
02:09:39.000
Actually, I would love to hear what you say because I haven't really heard much from this side of the table.
02:09:42.380
Well, I was just going to say, especially if you disclose and if you agree that it's homosexual,
02:09:53.660
I don't have problem with homosexuals or with gay.
02:09:59.640
But I lived in the 90s and the 2000s and I knew the gay community was completely different.
02:10:07.140
I've been here since the 90s, back and forth with my family.
02:10:11.420
Also, in Israel, actually, in Israel, we have a huge gay community.
02:10:36.400
I don't know how to translate, but I'm careful with my words.
02:10:47.380
The question basically just comes down to this, right?
02:10:52.960
I don't know if you have a $2 bill there or not.
02:11:05.980
That's what society and the government has assigned to it.
02:11:16.160
The idea here is that the social construction aspect of this is that this seemingly symbol of two equals $2.
02:11:25.020
And if I hand it to you, you and I have assessed that value as being $2, right?
02:11:33.780
We're actually looking at, objectively, a piece of paper.
02:11:37.060
The construction side of the piece of paper is its value.
02:11:42.720
You're saying, the construction side, this is actually, right, an objective reality worth $2.
02:11:51.640
It's worth whatever you'll give me for it, right?
02:11:54.980
Whatever we agree it is, it will be that thing.
02:11:57.620
That's the distinction between the social construction aspect and the reality aspect.
02:12:03.040
You and I both know, though, that it's just a piece of paper.
02:12:05.900
And so this, when we dive into objective reality versus the social construction aspect, when you say, it's a woman, a female, right?
02:12:18.360
You can even get people to agree that it was, right?
02:12:21.360
Or this, you know, animal or person or whoever was.
02:12:25.800
Ultimately, the objective reality doesn't change.
02:12:41.840
Overweight women are not allowed to have opinions.
02:12:45.020
Question, why do women listen to respond and not to understand?
02:12:56.360
But can you go right in the mic and say that you're Dr. Roxo the Cocaine Clown?
02:13:05.040
Daryl underscore Frank Castle, $512, donated $200.
02:13:14.180
Rachel has us laughing our Epsies off on the crucible.
02:13:17.680
A Decepticon is still a man, no matter what it transforms into.
02:13:35.940
In nature, dangerous animals are brightly colored, i.e.
02:13:38.440
poison dart frog, venomous snakes, blue-ringed octopus.
02:13:47.380
So, they're implying that I'm dangerous because I dyed my hair?
02:13:56.020
Maybe not dangerous, but there's, it's like brightly colored, like, animals or bugs or whatever.
02:14:04.180
Like, they already know, they already know what your point of view, just because how you look, like, radical liberal.
02:14:09.960
Well, okay, I wouldn't classify myself as a radical liberal because there are a lot of things that both sides do that I don't agree with.
02:14:18.160
Um, I think it's weird to judge somebody based off of the color of their hair.
02:14:28.540
Um, I, I did want to have a bit more of an exchange because I don't think we really got to finish unless, perhaps I can have it.
02:14:34.860
Then, Andrew, I know you wanted to pose some questions unless you've posed them already.
02:14:45.140
Well, I just wanted to make sure that I finished whatever her inquiry was.
02:14:57.660
So, we were having a back and forth on, like, well, what constitutes heterosexuality, right?
02:15:03.000
Um, so again, I just ask, is a transgender woman, uh, female?
02:15:11.560
If you're going based off of the definitions, no, because they don't have a uterus, they don't have ovaries.
02:15:18.620
Well, I mean, there's females without ovaries and uteruses, though.
02:15:38.660
Yeah, so, you acknowledge that transgender women are not females?
02:15:42.840
No matter what degree of operations they've had.
02:15:48.540
I mean, if that added information of women can be born without ovaries and yada yada, then, sure, they could be female then.
02:15:57.220
Okay, well, even using, I suppose, your own definition of what male and female is, does it even meet your definition?
02:16:02.960
Honestly, I don't, I don't think it's that deep.
02:16:07.700
If somebody wants to transition, they should be able to.
02:16:17.980
Um, so then, you would agree then that it's not straight for a man to date a trans woman?
02:16:24.320
That it's not straight for a man to date a trans woman?
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We're just going purely off of homo, meaning same.
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So, I definitely don't think it's homosexual for a male to be dating a trans woman.
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I'm actually fine with that, but I don't think it can ever be heterosexual.
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Yeah, that seems to be like a distinction without marriage.
02:17:05.260
I mean, but I don't even, if they're not willing to grant it's homosexual, but they'll grant that it's not heterosexual, I'm, I guess.
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Like, it's not even a requirement that there be same sex at all.
02:17:18.980
I don't, I don't, I've never even understood that, but.
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I see the argument about how LGBTQ, like, T shouldn't be a part of it because it's not, it's not about sexuality necessarily.
02:17:34.240
It does seem kind of agenda-based in that sense.
02:17:43.260
I mean, and then Kiko, are you, I mean, your position seemed to be that you disagree that it's not straight for a man to date a trans woman.
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I'm not going to tell somebody what classifies them as trans, but.
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But you will tell someone, sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
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But if you are a man sleeping with a transgender woman and she has a penis still, I would associate that as queer of some umbrella, of course, that's not straight.
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But if it's a woman, or if it's a trans woman who's gone through all the operations and no longer has a penis and has a man-made vagina, I wouldn't consider that gay.
02:18:27.840
Because there's a lot of women who look a lot more like men that dudes have sex with that's considered straight, and they give off a lot more man-ish than trans.
02:18:39.900
I just have a single follow-up, then, if that's the basis of the criteria.
02:18:43.560
I think you should tread lightly about this conversation.
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If I'm being honest, you're beautiful, but if I saw you on the street, I would think you were a trans man.
02:19:02.820
So what makes you any different than a man sleeping with you versus a naked dragon?
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Actually, this is a really good question for you, then.
02:19:11.380
So then, what just makes a really ugly woman not a man?
02:19:17.020
But what if you were so ugly, you looked just like a dude?
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I wouldn't say because you're ugly, you look like a man.
02:19:25.560
No, what I'm saying is because she's had so much work done that she kind of replicates...
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Before that, when you were giving your explanation, you said specifically, I actually know some women who look more like men than the men.
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And it's like, okay, then what you're doing is you're saying, what if there's a really ugly chick who just happens to look like a man?
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So that's what I'm saying to you is I understand what you're processing, what I said, as being ugly versus pretty.
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It's certain procedures that women get done that make them look more male.
02:20:08.800
If you look just like a man with no procedures whatsoever, what makes you not one?
02:20:15.820
I was like, I don't want to bring this up right now.
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This person who handed me the ID made me want to look.
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And looking at them, I swear to God, I could not tell if they were a man or a woman.
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But would that make a man gay for sleeping with them?
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Because they did give off a lot of features that looked manly.
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That's why I didn't want to bring it up when we were talking about that whole debate.
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It was like a whole other thing that I was actually curious about.
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Because that would just mean that if any man out there slept with a woman who was ugly
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But it's going to be the same argument either way.
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It's about distinguishable features that make you look like a man or a woman.
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Who think a woman looks like a man are going to perceive that woman as being ugly, right?
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Because I think a lot of women look like men who other men will think are beautiful,
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That's what I'm saying is that if you have a man, if you have a chick who looks exactly
02:21:36.160
like a man, and a heterosexual man has sex with her, but she's born a female, you would
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Whatever your subjective metric is for this, okay?
02:22:08.620
You would never say that the man who slept with that woman was a homosexual.
02:22:13.920
So it's all, it's all about perception and what you believe.
02:22:19.900
That's why I'm asking your perception and belief.
02:22:22.780
They're, when you walk down the street, some people believe that they can tell every single
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So my whole point is, if they still have male reproductive parts, and another male has sex
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with them, I would consider that on the queer spectrum.
02:22:45.680
If so, so a woman who doesn't identify as anything but a woman, a female.
02:22:51.520
Yeah, but a female who identifies nothing but a female, okay, and just happens to look
02:22:56.720
If a heterosexual man slept with that woman, you would classify that as being LGBTQ?
02:23:08.860
Because I believe if she is a transitioning woman, but fully is transitioned, that they're
02:23:23.160
But if you as a man are sleeping with a trans woman who still has male reproductive parts,
02:23:37.540
They had to close this up, and she can only go to the bathroom through a catheter.
02:23:51.660
They don't have to have a vagina, but if they have a penis...
02:23:57.120
If they're slinging dick, and a man sleeps with them, yes, that's gay.
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But if they don't anymore, then I don't consider that gay at all.
02:24:07.020
I'm talking about in the moment they are in their dunies, in their pants, if they have
02:24:15.640
So, what if you had a female who just was deformed?
02:24:19.640
Yeah, but what if she had something shaped like a penis, but she was just deformed?
02:24:25.700
Yeah, but it was so enlarged, it was made to look like one.
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But we know, scientifically, that wouldn't happen.
02:24:43.380
I feel like you don't even disagree with me right now.
02:24:46.860
I'm trying to show you something which is important.
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But say you met a woman and you slept with her.
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And then two weeks later, you find out that she's a fully transitioned woman.
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Piece of cardboard and it had a hole cut out in it.
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And on the game show, they showed you a picture and said,
02:25:41.880
This is the woman that's on the other end of that.
02:25:45.880
And you're going to stick your thing through this cardboard.
02:25:48.640
And this is what you're going to have sex with.
02:26:02.020
If you enjoyed it, then you might have to consider why you liked it.
02:26:12.440
I know you were deceived, but if you enjoyed that, then you might need to consider your sexuality
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because I feel like you should be able to tell the difference.
02:26:24.140
I thought you said that you should be able to tell.
02:26:28.460
Didn't you say that you should be able to tell that?
02:26:32.240
I feel like I could clearly tell when there's a man versus a woman going down.
02:26:41.120
The second we add the deceptive layer, it's not very clear, is it?
02:26:43.480
And if you're putting your dick through a random cardboard hole, I think we have other
02:27:17.580
And the vagina of surgery and a real vagina, it's a completely different thing.
02:27:22.500
By the way, they have to do three, four times a day to put something inside.
02:27:32.860
Be factual, because I know exactly what you're speaking about.
02:27:33.520
They're going to get sick, and it's going to get decay, and it's going to go bad.
02:27:38.740
And it's once a day, and then it turns into once every four weeks, and then it turns into
02:27:48.100
I know you're not, but you bring up a lot of little shit sometimes.
02:27:58.880
It's got rotten, and she has to do a really, really emergency surgery that she cannot pee
02:28:05.780
So for a regular woman, wait, my point is, my point is that a regular woman doesn't have
02:28:19.760
Naturally, she can have orgasm from her vagina.
02:28:22.280
And the same thing he said, just because you're not a woman, if you don't have an orgasm, like
02:28:25.280
if you don't have an organ, you're not a woman if you have issues with your vagina.
02:28:29.060
A person that needs to change their sex in their mind, when you, imagine just yourself
02:28:39.100
Let me think about it for a second, because I've been thinking about it, because I tried
02:28:47.560
It's inside that you, all of a sudden, you don't feel a woman.
02:28:50.180
You feel like you want to have a penis and you want to feel like a male, okay?
02:29:06.460
Based on their feelings, they change the whole society.
02:29:20.740
I understand what you're saying, but that's like a completely different topic of what we're
02:29:27.240
First of all, I don't want my son, when he go before to school, he complain.
02:29:31.320
Or my friend's daughter, she go to school, she have a kid with a dressing like a girl,
02:29:41.300
You know, the crippled people don't get the same benefit as they get.
02:29:45.820
You can't even speak about it because they crucify you.
02:29:48.460
So you're mad because you weren't dealt with these hardships and you don't have these
02:29:52.540
feelings and you don't have to go through what they go through and you're mad.
02:29:56.680
Because your children in a public school are experiencing public differences in somebody
02:30:02.400
else's choices and you guys are having issues with that.
02:30:16.340
When you raise your child and he's 21 or 22 and then, God forbid, he die in a car accident.
02:30:24.200
When somebody chooses to go and cut themselves and deform themselves and take money from a
02:30:31.980
A very small percentage of tax dollars actually go to that.
02:30:39.020
She was in favor of transgender prisoners getting gender reassignment surgery.
02:30:48.340
There's the fact that there is such a thing as entity attachments and that's something
02:30:52.040
that creates people to want to become a different gender.
02:31:07.680
But when you're saying like, oh, if you are, I think you asked if he slept with somebody
02:31:13.680
that was a girl, even though he was married and blah, blah, blah.
02:31:22.760
Would you consider that a homosexual act that you did?
02:31:26.240
So I think that these things are based around intentionality.
02:31:35.680
Or the idea that, you know, you can, you can be pushed into doing a sexual.
02:31:41.820
So like, I'll give you an example, a good counter example.
02:31:44.500
I have to be very careful with how I use this language, but underage people, right?
02:31:51.920
They can be tricked into feeling pleasure at certain of these things, right?
02:32:01.260
It's not determination of their sexuality, correct?
02:32:10.220
Like, okay, I need more information because that was very vague.
02:32:29.660
You can be tricked in all sorts of different ways.
02:32:31.980
It's not going to be a determination, though, as to whether or not you're actually attracted
02:32:41.140
What if I gave you drugs, and then, you know, your brain was frying, and you perceived
02:32:49.160
Does that mean that if you banged the horse, that that means that you are attracted to horses?
02:32:54.820
So, no, because you're under the influence, and you can't make cognitive functions.
02:33:02.280
Well, because all I'm saying is, would you consider that still?
02:33:04.460
Oh, because that person isn't a female, would you consider that a homosexual act after the
02:33:12.720
Yeah, so that would, the act itself would be a homosexual act.
02:33:17.440
I just wanted to see your orientation on it, too.
02:33:21.300
Because, like, I was like, what if a guy's like, I hate black chicks, I would never be
02:33:30.540
You could be tricked, you could be tricked even in that aspect.
02:33:32.740
So, the idea here is, like, what Brian, all Brian's trying to say, he's trying to distinguish
02:33:42.660
So, he's just saying, here's our act, and here's not our act.
02:33:46.100
So, would that be engaging in a homosexual act?
02:33:52.100
Would that make the person a homosexual, though, right?
02:33:56.200
For instance, a good example of this, you're in prison.
02:34:08.600
It depends on if you're the giving or the receiving, honestly.
02:34:15.440
That's all we're arguing here is that makes you a victim here as well.
02:34:28.980
Kiko, if you think transmissions are woman, then I feel sorry for you.
02:34:37.360
Would you not be mad if you found out you slept with a fraud gender?
02:34:42.040
Wouldn't be mad if you slept with somebody who just was.
02:34:44.080
If that's all you got out of what I was saying, then...
02:35:11.040
So, you're saying you're attracted to your own brother, you incestuous lunatic, right?
02:35:18.260
That's a very, very broad, like, separate discussion.
02:35:32.980
Don't look at me because you're arguing with her, because I've already said that discretion
02:35:39.860
I looked at you because you have a beautiful nose.
02:35:43.240
Yeah, but my point is that you want that disclosed because of how it would make you feel.
02:35:48.680
Again, I never said that you shouldn't disclose it.
02:35:52.540
But you only want it disclosed because of how it would make you feel.
02:35:56.780
Like, if he's sterile, what's actually wrong with this?
02:36:11.740
So, I mean, you're kind of making my point for me here.
02:36:16.280
I did want to just have a quick back and forth exchange with you.
02:36:21.580
Can I just add something small quickly before we wrap this to say to the audience?
02:36:28.700
I wanted to say that I have nothing against transgenders or gays.
02:36:33.140
The problem starts when becoming somebody naturally feels like he's a woman to a massive,
02:36:39.840
Like, from each school, you see so many kids are changing.
02:37:01.440
I think more people are coming out as gay and trans because it's a safe area.
02:37:09.640
I have to fucking move off of this bullshit, bro.
02:37:21.180
Frank Castle, he says, it feels like deja vu tonight.
02:37:54.840
Something I do often wonder when I talk to spiritualists who make the claim that they can
02:38:00.180
speak to animals, or at least communicate with animals.
02:38:05.040
There's a couple of questions that I have for you.
02:38:07.480
Can animals convey concepts to you, things that they want?
02:38:10.780
For example, they say, I want my owner to take me out more.
02:38:29.280
If an animal conveyed through a spiritualist that it wanted to have sex with a person, how
02:38:38.060
would that then be a problem to have sex with that animal?
02:38:51.180
So, the big problem with bestiality, and it's a big problem, right, is that the animal
02:38:58.300
can't consent, but as you as the medium, the animal could actually consent.
02:39:12.800
If she can read a 13-year-old mind and say, I want to sleep with Ashley Kutcher.
02:39:26.860
I think maybe you would have the ethical duty to just, like, not say that.
02:39:31.860
Be the middleman and be like, explain to them why that's not okay.
02:39:37.860
Well, because she's the medium who has the knowledge of what the animal is asking for.
02:39:46.020
When I was 14, I wanted to sleep with Ashley Kutcher.
02:40:01.200
Then it could be that the medium should have an ethical obligation to, like, not disclose
02:40:11.800
That doesn't mean that you're saying what's it.
02:40:17.420
Let's say in this situation, the person wants it and wants to know if the animal wants
02:40:25.740
The medium comes out and says, I've talked to the animal.
02:40:44.820
So if we take the objection, the moral objection, the animal can't communicate this with anybody,
02:40:56.320
The raccoon can tell you what it wants for fucking dinner now.
02:40:58.800
So the animal says, the animal's like, man, stop, Kiko, let me ask the question before
02:41:10.200
So bam, the animal's like, this is what I want, medium.
02:41:14.580
Medium goes to the owner and it's like, that's what it wants, right?
02:41:23.880
Unless you're saying this whole communication thing can't be possible.
02:41:28.840
Just because you want something doesn't mean it's right.
02:41:40.080
What does that have to do with anything we're talking about?
02:41:43.820
Because if they're vocalizing the point that they want that, even though as a society
02:41:47.220
we deem that as wrong, if they can speak up for themselves and say,
02:41:50.420
no, that's what I want to do, just because someone who's not of the legal consent age
02:41:55.920
says, I want to do this, doesn't make it right for that person to do it.
02:42:02.840
It goes around and like fucking murders like hyenas and shit.
02:42:07.480
Even if someone underage murders kids, it doesn't make them right to do those things.
02:42:10.220
Yeah, that has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
02:42:22.700
It's the same thing why an underage kid can consent to another underage kid.
02:42:32.480
If an animal could consent to an animal, why couldn't it consent to you?
02:42:41.260
When you're having a conversation with somebody, this is what drives fucking Brian bonkers.
02:42:49.380
Everybody wants to jump in on behalf of somebody else.
02:42:52.220
I've given you nothing but respect when it comes to these conversations.
02:42:55.900
Listen to exactly what you, the person, is saying, not the person next to you, right?
02:43:04.540
Kiko, if an animal can consent to another animal, why couldn't it consent to you?
02:43:19.500
If it can consent to another dog, why couldn't it consent to you?
02:43:22.440
And if you had a medium who came out and was like, it's consenting, then isn't the medium...
02:43:28.480
Wouldn't you just have to err on the fact that you think the medium isn't really a medium?
02:43:36.660
I was trying to be nuanced about it and have a conversation, debate about it.
02:43:40.260
But if you want to take it there, those are two different things.
02:43:44.580
But I was just talking about the fact that two people on the same playing field can consent to each other.
02:43:55.520
Doesn't mean a 16-year-old and a 19-year-old can consent together.
02:43:57.100
I don't think two 16-year-olds can consent together.
02:44:04.360
I don't think one of them should be in trouble for it.
02:44:12.980
The whole point here is the reason we have those laws is because we don't think they can.
02:44:23.140
Oh, you're still saying the same thing, though.
02:44:28.140
So the thing is, is like, ultimately, here, if an animal can consent to an animal, you're saying
02:44:35.940
A medium comes in and says, well, the animal consents to you.
02:44:39.360
And the only thing you could really say is that the medium was wrong, right?
02:44:48.320
Secondly, you shouldn't be talking about my dog wanting to sleep with me anyways.
02:44:54.260
I'm trying to have this conversation, but then you guys keep piggybacking off of those concepts.
02:44:57.800
If you want to think those things, then I will agree.
02:44:59.740
Yeah, I would never even be having this conversation.
02:45:01.420
But you guys were feeding into it, so I was feeding into it, too.
02:45:04.320
So don't make it seem like I'm trying to have this conversation when it's not something I would ever even talk about.
02:45:13.500
So the parallel is, for the psychic medium, the person who is the shaman, the person who is the witch, the person who is this thing.
02:45:21.020
If they make the great claim of communication, I can communicate with this thing that you yourself can't communicate with, it's fair to test it, right?
02:45:32.120
Isn't it fair to test if they can really communicate with whatever this thing is you can't communicate with?
02:45:39.540
So isn't it a great way to test that, to ask it a question like that?
02:45:43.440
See, my mind would never even go to ask a question like that.
02:45:48.700
Well, but the thing is, is it brings up this great parallel that you can point to immediately and say, even if it were true, wouldn't we still have to err on the fact it wasn't?
02:45:58.180
See, I can't even go into those, because when you ask me something like that, all my mind's going to go to is, I would never go and ask a medium if my dog wants to fuck me.
02:46:08.520
Like, that's what my mind is going towards, so I'm sorry I can't get past that part.
02:46:11.840
You're not asking the medium if your dog wants to fuck you.
02:46:14.440
You're asking the medium, you're asking the medium, if the person says that the animal can consent to any person, it doesn't have to be you.
02:46:25.240
Well, if a medium told me that my dog is consenting for this, that, and third to happen, first of all, whatever.
02:46:34.020
It's so hard to say this, though, because they would be like, why are you at the medium?
02:46:41.760
I would say this, but I thought we were giving in to this whole idea.
02:46:45.520
But when you ask me questions like that, I have to like...
02:46:50.300
And that's why I jumped in, because I was like, you're delusional.
02:46:52.920
No, that's why I jumped in, Andrew, is because I said it's crazy to say that.
02:46:57.720
Maybe, I feel like we're maybe fighting the same evil right now.
02:47:01.400
I don't know, but I'm, it's really, really common sense to me.
02:47:10.240
Why couldn't the animal, like, honestly, could you get consent from the animal for something
02:47:23.360
Like, hey, what if they substitute animal with B-A-B-Y?
02:47:34.280
But you're talking about living things that can't communicate.
02:47:38.840
Living things that can't communicate without other entities.
02:47:42.020
So if you, if they were like, I want you to speak with my baby to me.
02:47:47.700
Like, I want to see how you guys, you guys tread.
02:47:49.740
I used to do the same thing when I got into this podcast.
02:47:52.420
And sometimes you have to just own up to when you're wrong.
02:47:55.360
Because I would double down and I would look stupid.
02:47:58.640
I would look stupid because I would double down on my own opinions.
02:48:07.800
Like, we, I could be 15 years old and you could be reading my mind.
02:48:10.900
And I could be saying, yeah, I want to sleep with this celebrity and this guy.
02:48:15.320
Does it mean that they should go then ahead and do it?
02:48:26.300
So when you say that you could do it, but would you do it?
02:48:33.920
So say that, like, you're trying to get consent from an animal.
02:48:41.600
And that was kind of, would you do it willingly?
02:48:44.280
If someone came in and said, hey, I'm trying to get consent from my dog.
02:48:49.100
I know you were able to do it, but would you do it?
02:48:51.720
I'd have to sit with myself and see how I feel about it and also tune into my self and see whether I'm in alignment with that.
02:49:03.080
But do you understand how if you, the fact that you even consider it means that you have the possibility of saying you're open to it, right?
02:49:12.040
Which means that you could telepathically, whatever, communicate with this dog.
02:49:15.700
And if that dog was saying, yes, this is what I want, you would go tell their owner that?
02:49:22.100
And that should, I think that deserves jail time.
02:49:25.260
I'm on your side with a lot of things, but that's not okay.
02:49:32.780
Because if they took your advice and went and did it and got caught, they could be in jail.
02:49:44.100
Okay, Andrew, I'm convinced the woman and animal could both consent.
02:49:48.660
The reason it's still wrong is because it's an affront to God's moral law.
02:49:52.720
It's unnatural and is done purely for gratification.
02:50:03.860
So, Robert Tanner, thank you for the gifted 20 memberships.
02:50:10.560
Robert, he also says, this seems to be an argument between objective versus subjective reality.
02:50:20.540
If I feel I am the age of 20, must society accept?
02:50:30.920
If you feel like you're 20, must society accept?
02:50:36.640
I'd say no, because that's not how many years you've been alive and have had experiences.
02:50:43.200
How is that different from what we argued before?
02:50:49.580
If you're biologically the age of 40, you're also biologically female or male.
02:50:57.120
So you agree that a man that changed his gender, he's not a woman.
02:51:07.060
If I'm 50 or 40 and I'm decided that I'm 23 or 22, I'm changing my biology.
02:51:14.820
Now, let's say it was the law now that I can, I look young.
02:51:43.960
You're repeating exactly for a different thing.
02:51:54.200
As a woman, for me, it's completely disrespect when other men come and take what I've been through
02:52:01.300
as a woman, having my period, having my mood swings, feeling down because of my hormones,
02:52:06.420
having my child with no epidural, in extreme pain, 17 hours in the labor room.
02:52:11.840
For me, as a woman, it's disrespectful that a man can just come and take that woman and
02:52:17.480
be the woman of the year after I hear that it's not even a woman.
02:52:21.500
And I don't understand how for you as a woman, it's not disrespectful.
02:52:28.760
Okay, one, I don't feel like it's taking my place.
02:52:32.240
Two, having a period or birthing a child is not a woman experience.
02:52:45.360
All right, Pelagic, thank you for the $100 soup chat.
02:52:47.440
The moment of weakness, allowing others to control your emotions.
02:52:56.340
I mean, people can't fucking follow instructions, even if they've been on the show multiple
02:53:02.020
They have no, like, even sense of, like, hey, how to avoid certain, even despite hearing
02:53:09.320
the pre-show information multiple times before, just continuously, like, edging on, like, TOS
02:53:15.560
Like, it's obviously frustrating when not only are they breaking your rules, you've told
02:53:21.420
them to stop, and they continue, they just not only, they just continue kind of breaking
02:53:26.940
So, I mean, I don't know what else to fucking say, man.
02:53:29.540
Um, we, uh, final thing on this, uh, I do want to ask, because we have, uh, we have people
02:53:37.000
who are not straight here, we have people who are bisexual, who are lesbian, um, just
02:53:41.000
a couple of clarifying questions, I suppose, to Kiko and to you.
02:53:47.820
A cis man, I don't like this term, but you guys, I think it's actually a slur, cis, but
02:53:55.000
But for the ease of, for the ease of, uh, I guess, uh, understanding here, a cis man giving
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oral sex to a transgender woman with a penis, is that heterosexual or homosexual?
02:54:11.560
Guy comes home, says, I just sucked my girlfriend's dick.
02:54:38.960
A cis man having penetrative, uh, booty sex with a transgender woman, is that heterosexual?
02:54:53.980
But like, do you think that, for example, like a, a lesbian woman would, um, a lesbian cis
02:55:01.620
woman being penetrated by a transgender woman with a penis, would this be a lesbian act?
02:55:08.940
Would you say that, uh, two lesbians using a strap-on is a heterosexual act?
02:55:22.580
So, a lesbian cis woman being penetrated by a transgender woman with a penis, is that,
02:55:37.920
Lesbians use strap-ons and other things all the time, so why would.
02:55:43.960
So, I mean, okay, so if they get it removed, they're just going to use that strap-on.
02:55:51.060
If they get a strap-on, uh, that would not change the nature of the lesbian relationship.
02:55:58.180
But a lesbian woman, just, okay, just to be clear.
02:56:06.940
So, it can be a lesbian sexual encounter if a lesbian is being penetrated by a transgender woman's penis.
02:56:26.860
Do you think that would be a lesbian sexual encounter to be, for a lesbian cis woman,
02:56:32.660
being penetrated by a transgender woman's penis?
02:56:36.940
I personally think this just comes down to, like, the words.
02:56:40.720
Um, maybe queer would be a better way to describe it.
02:56:57.660
Wait, so just to be clear, you're a lesbian woman, right?
02:57:06.160
Wait, but so transgender women are not women, or?
02:57:17.600
I think it's just personal, based on preferences, and, like, whatever anybody wants to do.
02:57:24.020
But personally, me, I would prefer somebody who was born a woman.
02:57:28.040
Now, what if I told you that the very people that would categorize themselves as LGBTQ would say that your refusal to, perhaps they might grant that you are not obliged to enter into this sort of romantic or sexual encounter, but by denying that this would not be a lesbian dynamic, you yourself, as a lesbian woman, would be target for attack by, I suppose, the very group in which you belong to.
02:58:02.020
The fact that you say you don't want to date someone who's a trans woman can get you hate in the LGBTQ community.
02:58:08.840
So, you refusing to categorize what I previously described as a lesbian, sexual, or romantic encounter would mark you for attack.
02:58:18.960
I think everybody has their own personal preferences, and whether you're gay or straight, you have preferences, whether it's based on appearance or otherwise.
02:58:29.180
And I don't think that that should warrant anybody to be attacked.
02:58:36.280
You know the right answer, like what he said, but you're representing it in a politically correct way because you know this is a man and this is a woman.
02:58:54.260
At the end of the day, we all play into stereotypes.
02:59:02.640
But when I think of a trans woman, I think of wigs, nails, makeup, hair, bombshell, bad B, whatever.
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But when I dated women, I went more for simplistic women.
02:59:16.900
So, just because she's not attracted to bombshell, pink wig, ass fat, da-da-da-da-da.
02:59:24.060
But I do see your point about like, because it could in our community get us canceled for saying we don't want to date a trans woman.
02:59:30.260
But that's just not what we're attracted to on the day-to-day.
02:59:33.540
Could there be someone who was biologically born male who transitions to women who is something we're attracted to?
02:59:41.980
But some men, it's like men say, I don't want to date you.
02:59:47.100
So, I'm not going to get offended because this is his preferences.
02:59:51.840
No, but I'm saying, but they like hate you for saying that you, it's not your preferences.
02:59:57.340
We both said that we have preferences and she stands by her preferences.
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We said we have the right to have the preferences.
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And we understand, though, that sometimes in the community that they will jump on your back.
03:00:19.560
She might be saying it in a politically correct stance.
03:00:22.680
But, she's basically saying the same thing you guys are.
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So, anyways, I'm going to move it off of this topic.
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Perhaps, I think earlier you asked, why does this matter?
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I think you might have asked something along those lines.
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Depends on for what specific thing you're referring to.
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Well, like, why are you so concerned with this?
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Well, one, some of you have the position that there is not a duty.
03:00:53.380
Or, that these people should not disclose to potential romantic partners.
03:00:57.480
This would lead to some straight people essentially being, in my view, essayed.
03:01:04.480
If you're against essay, you should probably disclose this.
03:01:08.200
So, additionally, while I don't think this is the position of most people who are transgender
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or transgender activists, I'm noticing a societal and cultural creep.
03:01:23.720
And I'm using that term in the sense that things are creeping to a place where I don't
03:01:31.100
So, if, for example, we are in a society where, for example, you might find me denying, and this
03:01:42.780
isn't my position, but if I were to, I think you would find it offensive if I were to deny
03:01:48.960
Like, oh, you're not actually attracted to the opposite, to the same set.
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What you guys are telling me is you're making a claim about heterosexuality, and you're rejecting
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my sexuality, and my sexuality is not up for negotiation, right?
03:02:07.880
I refuse to allow you to dictate to me that it would be heterosexual for a male and a male
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to be involved in a romantic and sexual relationship.
03:02:17.720
I reject it completely, but your position is that it could be heterosexual, or it might
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not be homosexual, for a male and a male to be, it might not be heterosexual for, or sorry,
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excuse me, it would be heterosexual for two males to be involved in a sexual or romantic
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In the same way that I suspect you greatly despise the attacks on homosexuality or bisexuality
03:02:45.680
or queerness, there's clearly an attack on heterosexuality.
03:02:53.280
And so, I suppose my great issue here is, at what point if I were to refuse and I outwardly
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state my sexual preference and my sexuality, I would, I don't have anything against transgender
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But, if activists insist that I am wrong or transphobic or a bigot because I refuse or
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I don't view it in the way that they find appropriate, I refuse to date a transgender woman, well, typically
03:03:24.200
what ends up happening, and these activists are incredibly effective at doing this, they'll
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They're going to try to get you fired from your job, and in some cases, they'll pursue
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And so, if we don't provide sufficient pushback to these sorts of narratives that, you know,
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If I don't push back intellectually that, essentially, your accusations towards me that I would be a
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bigot for refusing to date somebody who's like this.
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Or refusing to accept the paradigm or narrative, then this opens not just me, but other individuals
03:04:08.020
who think like me or feel like me to financial ramifications, cancellation attempts, attempts
03:04:15.160
to ruin somebody's career, this sort of thing, and also physical violence, right?
03:04:21.840
Okay, so, my response to that is, as I said earlier, there are things that I don't agree
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That would definitely be a thing that I do not agree with from the, I guess, left, pro,
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Um, I do 100% think that if you identify as heterosexual, you have fully, like, the capability
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to say no to a transgender who wants to go out with you.
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And as I stated earlier as well, I never said that they should not disclose that they're trans.
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But what if the part of it, the reason that you're making the denial for why you would
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go out with this person is because you deny that it's the truth to begin with?
03:05:12.080
So, if you're saying, I'm not going to go out with you, let's just say that there was
03:05:16.380
somebody who was even attracted to a person who was trans, okay?
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And then specifically said, but I'm not going to go out with you because you're still a man.
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It can just be hurtful towards the other person.
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I think, uh, taking into account how the other person will feel about that is really, really
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important because you can say that you're not going to want to go out with them a million
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It doesn't mean that it makes up a bad person or whatever.
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I'd just like to say the girl in the orange top is absolutely gorgeous.
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My apologies for not knowing her name, but definitely crushing heart.
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And we already established that's not what she wants.
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Thank you to the Crucible and to the Whatever Podcast for a great year for content.
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Also, if you believe a man can be a woman, you're a retard.
03:06:52.940
Just wanted to say thanks for all the content this year.
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Couldn't tell you how many times I was working Night Shift and had you guys in my ears.
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We all know that Night Shift is always better than Day Shift.
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They're always cleaning shit up after Day Shift.
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If that's the way it works, speaking of champagne pops.
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To the panel, but specifically to the poison dart frog in chair two.
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Would you grab me and be right out of here, too?
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Whether it looks like a car, truck, or other automobile at the time.
03:08:36.680
A truck is a good attribute to have, I will say, though.
03:08:41.680
Kiko, I'm going to do this champagne pop, but you do have disagreements with the show
03:08:47.240
You say, just when it teaches men to hate women, end the controversy.
03:08:55.800
When you say the end the controversy, what do you mean?
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And the controversy, I just think sometimes this podcast can put women against men, and
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I do know that there is a plural and singular version.
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I swear to God that I do know what you're saying.
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I even listen back, and it does sound like I'm saying the opposite of what I'm saying,
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but my pronunciation isn't clear with my accent on the words.
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But I just, I do see valid points on both sides.
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I do see a lot of times what the men are saying, but I just don't think the answer is to make
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Same thing when the women get on here and say, like, oh, F all men and this and that.
03:09:41.740
And sometimes I just don't appreciate the divide it causes between these sexes.
03:09:49.340
If I'm being honest, I think what Brian does is the least of it.
03:09:53.900
I think the red pill, blue pill, black pill, whatever community in a whole, FNF, whatever,
03:10:02.320
I don't appreciate the way that they speak to women sometimes.
03:10:07.320
I'm on a podcast, so we're not going to talk about.
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I was saying how I appreciate that you are a little bit better in how you conduct yourself.
03:10:22.100
I was not bringing, trust me, I would never bring them up in high regards.
03:10:25.620
I was saying that when you were talking about what you were saying, how I don't like it,
03:10:29.320
the controversy, I was saying how I do appreciate that you guys go about it a little bit better.
03:10:34.580
But I just think that we should all come together and not hate each other.
03:10:41.140
So, do you think, this is probably the most humorous thing about doing as much of this
03:10:50.080
as I have on these types of panels, is recognizing that on the one side of women's mouths, they
03:10:57.320
talk about equality, egalitarianism, how much they think that men and women are interchangeable
03:11:09.780
People, suddenly, you can't talk to me like that.
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Suddenly, I'm on a different playing field than you.
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And what I've always really tried to drive home more than anything else is that aspect.
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Is that there's this sense of privilege which actually does exist with women.
03:11:28.820
And the second that you confront them with logic, or you confront them with reason or facts,
03:11:33.080
or you're even moderately aggressive, just like you would be with a man, you wouldn't
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Suddenly, they instantly take a front, clutch their pearls, they can't believe it, they
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And so for me, it's like, we can't have your cake and eat it too, right?
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It's either you're egalitarian, interchangeable widgets with men, or you're not.
03:11:57.000
And I get that point, but actually, let me let them go for it.
03:12:13.880
And Noah, like, unless you're a gay man, like, that's very sad.
03:12:21.840
Like, I really hope that you can get out of that and find the right woman for you.
03:12:29.260
But I hope he is, finds the right one for him and has a great life and a great family with
03:12:34.620
Is there even a problem with hating the way that women act in modernity?
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Does that mean you hate women, or does that mean that you hate how people act?
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I would never go around saying I just hate men.
03:12:51.740
What I asked is not whether or not it's problematic to say I hate women.
03:12:55.640
I asked if it's problematic to say that you hate how modern women act.
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Yeah, I think it's problematic because I do understand, because you're asking me directly.
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And I don't go around saying I hate how the modern man acts.
03:13:11.080
If you actually look at all my episodes, I've never...
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And you said there's this greater community of red pill, black pill.
03:13:21.620
But you're talking about the manosphere, right?
03:13:24.080
What you're really talking about is the manosphere.
03:13:29.580
I also hate how the women, me included, I've done the same thing going on here, how we conduct ourselves.
03:13:38.320
We can obviously do whatever we want once we're up here, but it gives the platform for
03:13:43.520
So I'm not saying that it's their fault, but I also hate how women get up on here on these
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It's a whole thing, how we entertain the conversation.
03:14:07.800
Every time a guest says woman when they meet women, you on the show have to hold off for
03:14:17.320
First, we need, once Starcavia is back, we'll do the cheers for Just Gerald.
03:14:27.320
We'll get a little more while we're doing that.
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Hugo says, Brazilian Real, W's in the chat for Hugo.
03:14:37.720
Thank you so much, man, for the big super chat.
03:14:45.860
We'll get the second champagne pop as soon as we get to the other champagne pop.
03:14:54.840
So don't you think, Kiko, though, I mean, you say that, like, just when it teaches, like,
03:14:59.980
men to hate women, like, in terms of the total scale of, like, because you say teach, right?
03:15:13.740
But don't you think, in comparison to, like, the hundreds of universities and colleges in this country that almost all of which have, like, a women's studies or a gender studies or a feminist studies program, UCSB, feminist studies program, don't you think the rhetoric that they're teaching people, which, by the way, it's not science.
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Don't you think that this is, like, orders of magnitude more systemic and more hateful than, like, anything I could allegedly be teaching?
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Mind you, not only are they teaching things that are absolutely despicable when it comes to, you know, essentially branding men as a presser class.
03:15:58.160
This is, like, and you could say, whoa, feminism doesn't teach that.
03:16:00.860
But, like, feminism, the key tenets of feminism is the patriarchy theory.
03:16:06.820
Like, if you take a feminism class, you're learning about patriarchy theory, which is just that a theory, and it's not actually, it's totally bogus.
03:16:15.760
But in any case, you're basically painting all men as oppressors and all women as oppressed.
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This is, like, an absolutely hateful ideology to be, like, en masse teaching women that men are oppressors and women are oppressed because you think the oppressed class is supposed to have any empathy or compassion or anything to the oppressor class?
03:16:38.480
And so, here I am in my small podcast studio, which, like, comparatively speaking, I have very little influence.
03:16:48.760
Like, even on the, like, even, no, yeah, I have very little influence.
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In comparison to the union, to the union of feminist studies, lunatics, and college campuses, no fucking way.
03:17:08.400
So, to that, to that point, what I was trying to say is there's hundreds of, I don't even know what the total amount is.
03:17:19.180
And you guys often like to talk about, like, systemic and blah, blah, blah, whatever.
03:17:24.740
They are teaching and indoctrinating young women to basically have, like, wholesale hatred towards, hold on, towards men.
03:17:36.380
You know what the, like, the singular endowment for most of these universities is?
03:17:46.100
That's power, and that's influence, and it's not just the university systems.
03:17:50.540
They've infiltrated, feminism has seeped its way into every single facet of society.
03:17:58.400
It's seeped its way, hold on, seeped its way into corporations, into government, into media, into the news, into journalism.
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Every single education system, not just in the universities, but in, like, in, because these teachers are also typical.
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I know, I know, I'm kind of, like, saying a lot, but hold on.
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And it has its claws in every single facet of American and Western life, and so you think that this one singular counterculture podcast has any degree of influence?
03:18:38.140
Again, the endowment for these universities is in the billions.
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The endowments for these universities is in the billions of dollars.
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Every time he says that, we need to take a drink.
03:19:16.500
So, the question you asked me on that paper is if I have any controversies.
03:19:24.140
When I was at UCSB, and I did take a couple of feminist courses, LGBTQ plus courses, it was just about history and how, like, suffrage arise.
03:19:32.720
It wasn't anything about, like, they're wrong, they hate us, this, but I have seen documentation where universities are doing that now.
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No, but I'm just, I understand what you're saying.
03:19:59.100
It was just the question was any controversies I had against you.
03:20:02.140
And I just think it aids and abides by and helps all these other podcasts and create, because if you, if you want to stick up for men and how there is an uneven playing field in the dating, I do see that.
03:20:16.480
But I just don't like how sometimes the answer is to hate all women and F all women, whatever.
03:20:21.600
I think it should be to have, I think it should be have discretion and, because there is women out there who are like that.
03:20:28.200
I don't advocate for the hatred of women, but you don't.
03:20:30.520
No, but sometimes your, sometimes your comments do, but Brian, sometimes your comments do.
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I'm trying to be very understanding and come to like an agreement.
03:20:49.720
No, I was saying no to her because you and me aren't done with the, done with the exchange.
03:21:12.720
I want to say, please, it's the topic that I love talking the most.
03:21:19.140
Because they're going to just get on you too, but go ahead.
03:21:28.720
You mean super over the top, kind to you all the time?
03:21:30.500
No, but I want to say something about that specifically.
03:21:35.400
I can tell you that it's not just that women created the whole facade, okay?
03:21:42.460
I can tell you firsthand that women create something out of nothing that didn't happen
03:21:52.900
You didn't hear it the first ten times she said it?
03:21:56.580
In case you were wondering, Kiko, she's from Israel, okay?
03:22:02.400
It plays reference because she's talking about our experiences.
03:22:16.580
First of all, Israel, it's way more Democrat than here, unfortunately.
03:22:21.980
No, but she thinks it's like something in the middle of this.
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I'm saying it's way more liberal than here, unfortunately.
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I come here because I want to say my point of view, too.
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Men, not even the tip of the eyes, manipulating women the same.
03:23:12.160
Because you're literally, me and Kiko, we're having an exchange.
03:23:15.500
I don't disagree with what you're about to say or what you just said.
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It's, you need to, you need to make it related to the actual conversation that's being had.
03:23:27.500
Not, not, what does female manipulation have, it pertains to nothing.
03:23:39.700
You got what's called main, main character syndrome.
03:23:45.240
We do like your input and you're going to get plenty of time to have input.
03:23:48.740
And this subject, it's going to come back around, right?
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And then immediately I was like, I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding.
03:24:18.060
If you're going to do one of the, can I say something?
03:24:21.620
You better be sure it pertains to the actual conversation at hand.
03:24:27.160
Not when I have HDAD and you're stopping every two seconds.
03:24:37.520
You can laugh when you want, but you know exactly what you're doing.
03:24:40.340
You're not letting me speak and you're like, in purpose.
03:24:48.800
I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you 20 seconds to, and within that 20 seconds,
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what you're saying has to pertain to the actual conversation being had.
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I don't care if you're about to say some super base shit.
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If it ain't related to the conversation, I don't give a fuck.
03:25:12.700
One time I only got two minutes to explain God.
03:25:17.720
I don't know what it is about me that trigger you all the time, but you're always going
03:25:23.620
Because her asking where are you from, that's a non-sequitur.
03:25:27.500
But she said a few times, she said you're not from here.
03:25:34.980
Because you said you've been here for 15 years and you're 15.
03:25:38.640
Before she asked you about Israel, you wanted to say something about the actual conversation
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You're allowed to come in on the actual conversation that was being had.
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All right, so this is for a cheers to just Gerald.
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Thank you so much for all your patronage this year, man.
03:27:20.120
Kiko definitely crushing hearts here, but can't you just let a guy hope and dream?
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Wishing you guys all a happy holiday season and sending good vibes your way.
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I was like, I was not trying to crush your dreams, but.
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Kika, what I'm saying is that there's no such thing.
03:28:18.080
There's some woman you can look at and just know they haven't done that.
03:28:21.060
I was literally there for all of my aunt's girlfriends.
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Pull up the message that I had with the two girls who were super late.
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By the way, can I take a quick second to just point out how proud I am of Brian?
03:29:30.400
I should have said we told you the meet time, which was 4 p.m. sharp.
03:29:38.720
Mind you, very clear in the instructions we send.
03:29:44.520
And in addition to this, we also say like, what do we say?
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Most of these navigation apps have an arrive by feature where if you like, it could be three days prior.
03:30:14.680
And she says, yeah, well, that's still so messed up.
03:30:19.120
So why wouldn't you say something like, no way too late?
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And we were even willing to allow them to come 40 minutes late.
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But then they sent me a navigation update saying it would be 515.
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And I was like, you're not going to be 75 minutes late.
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And so basically this is the kind of shit I'm dealing with every single show is people blowing up at me.
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They call me a dickhead, asshole, unprofessional.
03:30:52.440
Wouldn't the professional thing be to be on time?
03:31:42.480
But it was more than this, but I was being conservative.
03:31:48.640
We had about, it was more, like 3x flakes per show, 129 total in 2022 flakes.
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16 was the most amount of flakes in one day, 5 day with 10 plus flakes.
03:32:05.080
14 is the most amount of flakes in one day, and we had that happen twice.
03:32:12.460
So, you see that conversation I was having with that woman?
03:32:14.700
I had that same conversation where some woman, or, well, I mean, where the, look, I'm proud older brother.
03:32:37.820
This other girl, this other girl says some bullshit earlier today, like, oh, yeah, so I'm going to be 10 minutes late, and they would be embarrassing for me to show up late, so I'm just not going to come.
03:32:51.180
And I'm like, don't you realize that it's a bigger fucking issue for you to just not show up than you have a minor degree of embarrassment by being 10 minutes late?
03:33:04.280
I'm dealing with this bullshit every fucking show.
03:33:13.760
628 times this year, I'm dealing with women getting mad at me because they're late.
03:33:21.460
But, Brian, how do you explain the fact that you've kept a flow chart of this?
03:33:28.760
I know the episodes that this started when we were so pissed.
03:33:44.620
Sounds like you're reaching out to the wrong people.
03:33:55.340
Yeah, whatever podcast will take care of your Uber this evening.
03:34:06.300
I saw y'all drinking on other podcasts, so I was like.
03:34:08.880
By the way, if you guys don't, you don't need to take, you don't have to drink.
03:34:17.280
You don't need to drink or we can pour you like a sliver.
03:34:21.480
See, like, I'm not an alcoholic because I don't need it to be here, but if it's here.
03:34:45.780
The way that my instinct was, like, wanting to duck.
03:34:51.480
Dude, there's a fucking dent in the ceiling, boys.
03:35:31.680
If you guys want me to continue to lose my security deposit for the studio, champagne
03:35:43.000
It's, well, it's $500 for champagne pops, but normally it's a thousand, but it's half
03:35:54.160
Well, it's going to take like three more to get me to spill some shows.
03:36:24.760
So I wanted to make sure you wanted to like bring it up.
03:36:27.020
It's like related to the show and what is brought up on the show.
03:36:30.480
Do you have a disagreement with the show though?
03:36:40.440
You guys have a stance that that's kind of the way to go.
03:36:44.760
Well, me and Andrew, I kind of like differ a little bit on this.
03:36:56.040
Yeah, so essentially like there's this idea that society, it's kind of like for the benefit.
03:37:05.640
Like I've heard the definition of patriarchy at.
03:37:14.660
But here's what I've heard as one example of patriarchy.
03:37:21.860
But so I disagree with the part where it's for men.
03:37:25.980
I think society is far more gynocentric insofar as like society panders to women.
03:37:34.100
I don't, but I also think that the patriarchy has created systems that are both detrimental
03:37:42.920
So I, I'm kind of like a mixed viewpoint on that.
03:37:50.240
Okay, so I thought you had a similar belief to Andrew that you also thought patriarchy was.
03:37:55.740
Because I also don't, I don't think we live in a patriarchy.
03:38:00.920
I think we kind of, in the United States at least, have this belief of a meritocracy.
03:38:23.560
If I'm wrecking the exchange, man, I'll let you have the exchange.
03:38:26.520
In the DM, I kind of wanted to ask a series of questions for the panel and then see like
03:38:42.200
No, that's why I wanted to double check with you.
03:38:50.280
Well, it was kind of the way I was leading up to it.
03:38:59.080
So maybe time permitting, we can come to it later.
03:39:02.300
But you also said you feel like the show host promotes traditional roles and purports.
03:39:10.060
I don't think the only way to have logically in its literal sense successful relationships
03:39:16.140
is for them to follow traditional gender norms.
03:39:22.140
That is my position that successful relationships don't need to follow to a T strict traditional
03:39:41.080
So, I mean, there certainly can't, like, just because something is possible, one doesn't
03:39:47.140
But I don't disagree, like, that you could have a relationship that does not follow traditional
03:39:55.900
gender roles, and it could be a fantastic relationship.
03:39:59.000
But in totality, accounting for, like, the billions of people that exist, I would say,
03:40:06.260
generally speaking, yes, traditional gender roles are optimal.
03:40:16.180
I, it asks for disagreements, and I just said, I don't think the only way to have a successful
03:40:20.180
relationship is to follow traditional gender roles.
03:40:23.060
The question was whether you disagree with hosts.
03:40:26.760
Successful, like, a long-lasting, committed relationship.
03:40:35.160
Then, why would you promote such relationships, even if they were successful?
03:40:40.100
Because then, if you're, like, if you're engaging with those duties and upholding them, then...
03:40:48.680
So, the idea, so the idea here is, if you agree that it's optimal to have what you, whatever
03:40:54.340
you consider traditional gender roles to be, you think that's optimal?
03:40:58.580
Not that it can't work the other way, from your view, just what is optimal?
03:41:17.500
Do you think that it's more optimal to have one parent working, one parent home with the
03:41:28.400
Then, how could you do that, absent what you consider traditional gender roles to be?
03:41:39.160
Hang on, let her answer before the sisterhood chimes in.
03:41:42.760
Could you repeat that one more time, just so I...
03:41:44.900
How, if that is optimal, can you achieve that, absent traditional gender roles?
03:41:50.260
Because, couldn't you have that one parent be the husband rather than the wife?
03:42:02.700
I feel like, potentially, at the beginning, no.
03:42:09.660
Well, then why couldn't you still say, then I don't think it's necessarily optimal for
03:42:43.660
The traditional gender role would be the woman stays home, and the man goes to work.
03:42:48.220
And why does a woman need to stay home early on?
03:42:59.320
And that's about, I think, would be it, in terms of, like, what the mother...
03:43:04.440
Oh, if you get into trans breast milk, God help you.
03:43:13.040
I'm not saying that there are things, you know, that there are different ways to successfully achieve...
03:43:23.160
I would say once you don't need to breastfeed anymore.
03:43:28.700
Because I think that's kind of an optimal position.
03:43:31.640
But as long as we're still considering that as long as one parent is home, and that's optimal,
03:43:37.340
while the other parent works, then I don't see why it still can't be optimal.
03:43:40.980
But, like, after breastfeeding is done, that the father could stay home, and that the mother could work.
03:43:47.320
What's a maternal bond that happens with breastfeeding?
03:43:53.900
Do children bond with their mom better when they're breastfed?
03:44:04.600
That's, in fact, it's part of a bonding experience with children is that they breastfeed with their mother.
03:44:09.180
So, if the child's breastfeeding with the mother, and then you take mom away, mom goes and works, and now dad stays home, how's that optimal?
03:44:19.560
So, because, I mean, why is it optimal that the...
03:44:23.180
So, it's optimal that the baby has a stronger connection to the mom than dad?
03:44:30.520
Well, I mean, at least for the surrogate years, right?
03:44:38.480
Then, the bonding period, when does that kind of become inconsequential?
03:44:47.800
I think that when children bond with their mothers, especially when they breastfeed with them, this becomes a lifelong thing.
03:44:57.640
The idea there is there's something which is maternal, which is necessary to the raising of a child, right?
03:45:07.820
Dad can give all the material wealth in the world.
03:45:13.980
It just means that if you're breastfeeding your child, there's going to be a connection there that is distinct and it's different.
03:45:21.320
And, by the way, as far as resources go, men generally are going to be able to provide better resources as well.
03:45:29.580
So, if you're just looking at what's optimal, if you agree that this is optimal, in other words, if you say, okay, now we have a bonding component.
03:45:38.620
Mom also may have to stay home for another reason, which is that she has more than one kid.
03:45:43.280
So, if she has more than one kid, now she has three, four kids, right?
03:45:46.380
Now she's at home for years breastfeeding, right?
03:45:53.240
So, if it is optimal, right, then why wouldn't we push for what's optimal?
03:45:56.780
Because I still, I'll even, you know, agree with you on everything you've stated, but, like, eventually there comes a point where the child or children, as an aggregate, are old enough that this bonding component is, like, I guess, completed, right?
03:46:20.940
And so now, so, so why would it then be optimal, right?
03:46:34.620
So, but, because then I think it might actually be optimal because, say, mom could make the same amount of money that dad could make.
03:46:47.600
Because then, yes, say she could, and then dad could come home, and it might be optimal because then he could grow this paternal bond that was kind of lacking from the maternal standpoint for those first 10 years.
03:47:00.600
So, so I just want to make sure, I'll engage with the hypothetical by steel manning it first.
03:47:05.440
Dad could come home 10 years in, and now there's a different bonding experience that kids get they would not ordinarily get if dad didn't come home, right?
03:47:15.440
Yeah, and do you think that if we were to expand this out to, let's say, oh, I don't know, like 90 million families, right, that that's actually how that's going to work?
03:47:24.620
That dad should switch out of the provider role to move the provider role over to the mom that he's been in for 10 years.
03:47:31.120
She's been in the maternal role, breastfeeding these kids for X amount of time, multiple children.
03:47:35.960
Do you think if you expand that out society-wide that that would be optimal?
03:47:43.800
Like, you would be taking women who've been out of the workforce for 10 years and then saying, okay, these women somehow are going to be able to make the same amount of money that men are bringing the bacon home, right?
03:47:55.540
And then they're going to take over the function of the caregiver role that this woman has been experienced in for 10 years.
03:48:04.560
Well, I think it would have to come, you know, I'm coming from the position that this would have had to always have been like the idea of the kingdom couple.
03:48:13.340
Let's just assume I'm going to be as charitable as possible.
03:48:18.960
How in the world can you intercede the skill of A, dad's now at home, right?
03:48:28.300
He doesn't have the same skills she does after 10 years of doing that.
03:48:31.280
She doesn't have the same skills he does after 10 years in the workforce.
03:48:34.200
How in the world would that be optimal versus the reverse if he stays in the role of making the money and she stays in the role that she has the most experience in?
03:48:41.840
I think in this scenario, you would also have to, like, we would also have to engage with the idea that society might need, like, we need a stronger sense of community, like, whether it's familial, like, so family.
03:48:57.700
And so then I would think that these two things would actually become much, like, right now, if this happened, it would be hard because I think there is kind of a lack of strong communities.
03:49:07.040
Even if you set it up to happen this way, why, if you had a strong community, would that in any way offset this?
03:49:13.780
Because then these two components are, like, not as impactful towards the, like, it wouldn't be as, like, oh, my God, everything's true.
03:49:31.820
No, no, no, no, no, because outsourcing, to me, would be, like, like, grandparent's law.
03:49:48.520
Like, everything is done by everyone except the things that need to be done.
03:49:54.980
I mean, outsourcing about everything, because I don't think, like, one person or two should do everything.
03:49:59.680
Yes, you can outsource, you can literally outsource everything.
03:50:06.260
Give me examples of what the community is doing.
03:50:08.680
So, like, cooking meals could be a community thing.
03:50:11.940
Okay, so that would be outsourcing the cooking from the mom.
03:50:14.500
No, no, but maybe she engages, like, imagine communal living.
03:50:18.820
So maybe take, like, families that live in multigenerational houses.
03:50:27.880
Yeah, yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
03:50:30.100
Fortunately, guys, I'm going to allow you to each make a final 30-minute, or sorry, 30-second.
03:50:38.160
You can each have a 30-second final statement on this topic.
03:50:41.620
Yeah, I just, I don't actually even understand, ultimately, the argument.
03:50:47.580
If mommy's staying home for three kids, right, or even four or five or whatever,
03:50:53.600
she's going to be home for X amount of years, her skill set is going to be in homemaking,
03:50:57.800
dad's skill set is going to be at work, why would dad leave high-paying work job that
03:51:03.180
he's been at for 10 years to come home and take over the homemaking so she can get an
03:51:12.440
But what's broken, they still have a connection with working dad.
03:51:20.100
You haven't demonstrated how it would be weakened.
03:51:23.060
So the thing is, is like, ultimately, what you're talking about doing is you're talking
03:51:27.780
about having an external community come in and supplement for the offset of the money
03:51:36.040
Because then all people would have to do this for all other people.
03:51:39.000
You would just be right back in the same condition that you were in before.
03:51:42.580
Now you're just outsourcing more time to these things.
03:51:56.380
I was waiting for everyone to be back at the table.
03:52:09.860
After years of free content and introducing me to Andrew,
03:52:57.560
I was going to say that one, but I know that people have mixed feelings about that.
03:53:03.600
I personally don't get offended, even though I have been called it multiple times.
03:54:03.940
we'll just get through something in the questionnaire first.
03:54:33.360
And you're a rad, awesome wilderness survivalist, right?
03:54:39.640
I feel like I'd last a couple days if I needed to.
03:54:53.720
So, there's a couple different ways you can take.
03:54:58.960
Okay, you can do dry leaves, dry anything, dry bark,
03:55:09.960
You're going to start a fire with a friction stick?
03:55:12.480
You have not started a fire with a friction stick.
03:55:19.000
How you started the fire with a friction stick.
03:55:20.100
Literally just how I said that you make, like, a little, like, well with, like, I would say.
03:55:45.660
Or is it just, like, you're plopping me right like this in the middle of the woods?
03:55:56.640
You want, what do you want to be plopped into the woods with, though?
03:56:01.360
Usually when I go hiking, if it's by myself, I have my dogs and a machete strapped to my
03:56:08.760
Yeah, so I feel like I could handle a man if he tried anything.
03:56:20.360
Yeah, he gets the machete and dogs, just like you.
03:56:31.140
Well, the idea here is, it's a random sampling.
03:56:34.300
So the man could be a rich, suave, multimillionaire, okay, who's an extremely kind man.
03:56:46.380
You took your chances against a random bear and a random man.
03:56:49.220
Hey, could be a polar bear, could be a grizzly bear, could be a black bear, could be a baby
03:56:55.160
Honestly, if it's a baby bear, I'd choose a man, not gonna lie.
03:56:58.280
Because the mom's nearby, and they don't fuck around when it comes to their kids.
03:57:23.820
But I mean, wouldn't you pick the bear because you have like telepathic abilities?
03:57:28.260
You could be like, you could be like, I am not the enemy.
03:57:52.480
Because with an animal, you cannot talk to it, nothing.
03:57:56.100
If it comes to attack you, that's it, you're done.
03:58:10.360
Because I've also been around bears being in the wilderness.
03:58:19.620
But I also pick bear because if they maul me, if they attack me, nobody is going to blame me.
03:58:29.160
If I get mauled by a fucking bear, they're going to be like, oh.
03:58:34.040
Wouldn't they not disbelieve you if a man beat the hell out of you?
03:58:40.420
Again, if they hurt me in a sexual way, it's easy to be like, nah, that never happened.
03:58:52.300
There's a lot of different things that can happen.
03:59:00.440
It's like, the man could do nothing or the man could like torture me or essay me.
03:59:06.500
Whereas the bear, the bear could leave you alone or it could kill you.
03:59:17.960
It would probably kill me in the process, which I would much prefer.
03:59:22.240
I mean, if we're being real, if we're being so very real, you would much rather be.
03:59:38.860
I'm saying I would rather be attacked by, like, or I'm saying I would rather be alive
03:59:53.760
So, going into this, there is some fear of an essay occurring.
03:59:58.840
What do you think is the chance of a random man being inclined to essaying you in this
04:00:06.880
If I was plopped into the woods like this, like, dressed, how I am, without any, like,
04:00:21.580
The question is just, if you're plopped in there, just like you are right this second,
04:00:24.620
you're teleported right now from the whatever studio into the forest.
04:00:30.040
Random man is in there with you in the same forest.
04:00:33.580
You're both looking at each other going, what the fuck?
04:00:35.880
What is the likelihood that you think that this man-
04:00:38.900
It's low, but I also think that the likelihood of being attacked by a bear-
04:00:57.320
Well, because it's baked into this scenario that you're taking a guess.
04:01:02.520
Okay, but why does my preference for whether or not I'd be alone in the woods with someone,
04:01:07.520
why does that need to be reduced to a percentage?
04:01:11.720
Do you think your odds are better at survival with a man in the forest or a bear in the forest?
04:01:16.340
Where do you think you're going to survive best?
04:01:19.000
My response isn't, uh, I think every man is awful and has the potential to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
04:01:25.220
It's the question is, if you had a chance, right, and they were like, we want to see
04:01:30.280
your best survival, and we dropped you off right now in the forest, do you think you'd
04:01:35.240
have a better chance at surviving against a bear or a man?
04:01:46.260
Off of what you've perceived through life, off of your opinions, if you had to be asked,
04:01:51.620
who do you think you have a fighting chance against, a bear or a man in the forest, that's
04:02:01.840
Very simply, just, I'm just looking for the, like, what percentage of man would be inclined
04:02:10.240
If you want to go, okay, if you're asking that, I actually know the exact percentage.
04:02:15.800
And I know that's why it was a terrible way to phrase the question to her.
04:02:26.500
You proved him right because most 10% is nothing compared to him.
04:02:32.660
And do you think one in 10 bears would attack you?
04:02:36.740
You're looking at statistics of how many bear attacks there have been versus how many
04:02:45.720
Because the chance of being attacked by a bear is much lower than the chance of being essayed
04:02:52.240
The chance of being attacked by the bear is lower than the chance of...
04:03:06.280
Because there's no statistics that support that anywhere.
04:03:28.480
I think they, to be fair, I think they have done some studies on it.
04:03:33.020
And they've taken statistics from women who report getting abortions because of SA.
04:03:38.220
They've taken a lot of statistics from many different sources.
04:03:52.560
There are some, for example, there might be some stats that could indicate that 10% of
04:03:57.720
I don't think this is actually true, but 10% of women have been victims of SA.
04:04:06.160
It could indicate that, for example, there's, like, a serial man who's, like, doing this
04:04:15.840
There's a one-to-one ratio where there's, like, 10% of men in the population are doing
04:04:21.480
Furthermore, like, I'm just curious, then I'm assuming you'd be prepared to throw, like,
04:04:25.700
10% of your immediate family members under the bus, like your cousins and fathers and
04:04:36.580
If we change it to 10 men versus 10 bears, does your answer change?
04:04:43.780
You'll come across a group of 10 men, don't know each other, they're random.
04:04:50.360
Wait, so just to be clear, hold on, no, no, no.
04:04:52.540
In that case, I would probably take the bear, too.
04:04:59.080
I would rather go against one man in the forest versus one bear, for sure, but 10 men
04:05:16.980
This was an issue on the last time you were on the show.
04:05:21.140
You've heard the pre-show instructions to not use that word.
04:05:25.900
I lost my fucking mind at you for precisely this reason last show.
04:05:30.780
I had a conversation with you, but not just, Damien.
04:05:35.840
We had a conversation before the show about the words you use on the show.
04:05:52.380
I don't think it's anywhere near as high as 10%.
04:05:57.780
Like, it's one thing to make the accident once, but, like, if somebody just...
04:06:01.780
You tell somebody not to poke you, and then they're like, they're like, what are you going
04:06:14.820
Like, is the solution just to ask you to leave at this point?
04:06:17.640
Because, like, you've continuously demonstrated that you, like, cannot respect my platform.
04:06:23.500
Like, I don't know how many times I have to have a polite...
04:06:38.680
I don't care what your intentions were if the end result is the same.
04:06:43.080
I've had multiple polite conversations with you about, hey, we can't talk about this.
04:06:49.100
I don't know how to get it through to you to not say words that are, like, going to get
04:07:03.400
I don't know what to tell her because it slipped.
04:07:06.640
You have a replacement on that character right there.
04:07:19.240
Look, this was literally the issue the last time.
04:07:23.860
Like, I don't know if you're intentionally just trying to, like, do this to get...
04:07:32.880
Every time I want to speak, it's like, like, the whole energy since I got here, it's really
04:07:38.720
Because, like, you just have zero respect for the platform.
04:07:42.700
We tell you, hey, here's some things that are off topic.
04:07:54.960
He went over the pre-show information with you.
04:08:09.040
It literally went into detail of instructions of what not to do and what to do.
04:08:18.480
I know, but I've done this podcast multiple times.
04:08:37.200
He literally said that's on the list of things and what not to do.
04:08:39.980
I think it's very clear that it's a difference of culture and how she speaks and whatever
04:08:50.040
No, but you've been here several times at this table.
04:08:57.460
Interrupting is like an easy thing to forget, especially when you're emotionally invested.
04:09:02.940
But words that you know are gonna get you, like, in trouble, I feel like that...
04:09:07.740
Like, this is my first time here and even I am like, no, S.A.
04:09:31.500
Because you're trying to put more fire into the conversation.
04:09:35.480
I didn't say it on purpose and you jump on the opportunity to try to go on...
04:09:42.060
There have been other people who are actually trying to attack you and I'm trying to not
04:09:57.480
You remember how you scream when we say something to you on the debate?
04:10:11.940
This is why I wanted to sit in the middle, Brian.
04:10:14.160
Because I feel like I'm very in the middle of everybody.
04:10:18.680
And that's why I thought I should be over there.
04:10:25.420
Like, I don't know if you're like a habitual line stepper, a habitual line crosser, Sheena.
04:10:41.180
It's one thing if somebody makes a mistake once.
04:10:45.300
I've literally had this conversation with you every...
04:11:02.620
Then, when you fuck up, when you fuck up, I correct you every single time.
04:11:13.860
How many times do I need to allow you to continue making the same mistake before you're just
04:11:39.200
The least you can do is show me and my show a little respect by like, hey, I've had...
04:11:51.100
Then you come on the show and you want to start saying the stuff that I've told you not
04:11:57.420
How every single guest here, some of whom it's their first time on the show.
04:12:08.880
Even if I don't say nothing, you get frustrated and breathe in dramatic ways.
04:12:20.760
But since I got here, you've been on my case nonstop and they can see it even.
04:12:27.520
Even in the last show, I didn't do nothing to you.
04:12:39.100
The constant, like last show, it was constant interruption.
04:12:47.880
I tell, I, I moderate the other panelists also.
04:12:52.540
Because you're like a habitual fucking interrupter.
04:13:07.760
Like every time that you open your mouth, there's always like a certain aura of like,
04:13:14.640
But I do also want to point out that it's not liberal bullshit.
04:13:17.560
It's the fact that YouTube has a set guidelines.
04:13:23.840
So obviously he's going to want to protect the thing that he does best.
04:13:27.520
I respect it completely, but I didn't, I didn't.
04:13:35.980
It's just what, like YouTube has a set guidelines for a reason.
04:13:42.060
It's because they're a great streaming platform.
04:13:43.820
It's because they have these guidelines that they do so well.
04:13:48.320
And it's because of the guidelines that YouTubers are able to do so well.
04:13:52.240
So if we cross that, we're fucking it up for him.
04:13:55.760
And like, I've been trying not to do the like interrupt-y thing, but that's hard for me.
04:14:06.160
If I need to correct you on something TOS related, or like you use a word that we've explicitly multiple times have instructed that you're not supposed to say that, I'm just going to ask you to kindly leave.
04:14:21.040
If it happens again, do you want to just leave?
04:14:28.560
Just because I really think it's a cultural difference.
04:14:33.020
TOS, like, basically don't, the words, the exact words you use, don't say a word you wouldn't say in mass, that you wouldn't say in church, that you wouldn't say against, like, just because of how the guidelines are, there's just certain words that you have to speak around.
04:14:50.020
So, like, imagine that you're in church or mass or something, and you wouldn't want to use those words to a pastor or a priest or whatever.
04:14:56.900
Like, you just have to be careful about the certain things you say.
04:14:59.960
Even if, you could still talk about the topic, but you have to go around it certain ways.
04:15:06.260
And, no, you're saying that, but she's, she says she got here 15 years ago.
04:15:14.720
She has been here for how long, and how many people have actually said the words?
04:15:18.620
Or did we say the actual term that has been used on the podcast for over 200 shows?
04:15:25.980
If you've seen her, if you've seen her at last episode.
04:15:27.780
You're just mad at her for how she's coming against you.
04:15:33.540
Oh, because that was, she stepped out of line with that part.
04:15:36.000
You're not actually mad at her or anything she's doing.
04:15:40.540
Don't you see that she's, like, so frustrated for nothing?
04:15:42.760
No, I'm, what's frustrating is him having to stop the podcast and yell at her.
04:15:47.100
Well, I mean, half the time they're stopping it when she's not even saying anything.
04:15:49.160
They're just scared that she's going to say something.
04:15:50.980
And everything's frustrating for you on this podcast.
04:15:59.040
I haven't met any of these people before, so I literally do not care what y'all think
04:16:02.940
Okay, but you guys see what side she's sitting on.
04:16:06.720
And, and, and, you see what she's arguing against.
04:16:20.440
If you want to switch seats to make you a little feel better, I would do that for you
04:16:23.160
to make sure that you do not, having to stop us, the podcast, we have to have this discussion
04:16:32.160
I don't think switching seats would solve that.
04:16:36.260
No, I was saying, if you've ever watched this podcast, you can do some conductive reasoning
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that the people who are seated over there are going to argue with you and be against
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It's nothing shocking, but you're so offended by her.
04:16:56.220
He's going off at me, but I'm not taking it personally.
04:17:00.860
I'm not sitting here and crying and screaming like a lunatic.
04:17:06.500
If you want to be treated with respect, you should probably extend the other branch.
04:17:13.520
It sounds like you two want to have a back and forth.
04:17:16.640
No, because she's going to sit over here and say that I'm targeting her when I'm not.
04:17:20.180
I didn't say you're targeting her when I'm not.
04:17:32.300
What's frustrating when Brian has to stop the freaking podcast just to yell at her?
04:17:36.800
When the constant mistake is, have you watched her last episode?
04:17:46.340
And I was just saying, the only time you speak lately is when it's regards to her.
04:17:51.160
I haven't spoken because I didn't have nothing to speak about.
04:17:55.560
Like, I have no topic about the freaking transgender part where you guys are talking about.
04:18:00.960
And all of what you guys have been talking about, I had no input.
04:18:04.280
But why I'm speaking now is that because we had to stop the podcast for him to yell at her.
04:18:08.380
Like, he's done like five, seven other times today.
04:18:12.360
So, yes, I've been sitting here because I've been wanting to hear you guys' discussion.
04:18:27.520
No, it was going to be some instigating bullshit.
04:18:51.260
Chena, you're saying things that are risking Brian's show.
04:18:57.120
Whether it's an accident or on purpose, YouTube does not give a flip.
04:19:07.140
Like, how often do people make it about, like, the intentions of somebody's actions?
04:19:11.840
But what does it matter if somebody's intentions...
04:19:37.380
I was just saying, regardless of intent or not, regardless if she's intent, she's still
04:19:42.140
But I just think it wasn't being explained in a way that she could understand.
04:19:46.180
Oh, Andrew, I thought you were going to come to my defense on this one.
04:19:53.600
After the truthful statements about Chair 3, Orange Top, I knew she'd say man to that
04:20:27.800
Yeah, but he's making fun of you saying woman dork.
04:20:33.020
He's making fun of you because you can't say it plural.
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The light bulb went off and you were like, oh, fuck, he is.
04:20:54.100
We're going to do a $69 roast session intermission right now.
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We're going to do a little 10 minute roast session.
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Then we're going to get right back into the topics of the show.
04:21:31.300
I think you two have some words for each other.
04:21:36.180
I was on the podcast three times, and that's a really popular word.
04:21:48.280
The idea that that's because it's a California accent is wild to me.
04:22:01.200
So, Kiko, as an elder at the table, do you have any words for Darkavia?
04:22:08.240
No, just, like, advice, like, when it comes to, like, the situationship that she's in.
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Know how beautiful you are, how gorgeous you are.
04:22:20.220
I've been in a relationship for two years, but I just want you to know that you're absolutely beautiful.
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You're the prize, and make sure that you're not settling for no man, and you're the one that they're seeking after.
04:22:42.420
I'd like to take this, I want to take this roast moment as a chance to.
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I'd like to take this chance to apologize to absolutely nobody.
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I synced with the other women at the table, too.
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I can't stay out of here, but go ahead and DM me.
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Intentions are literally the difference between who gets flagged for toes and who doesn't.
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Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about.
04:24:15.680
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
04:24:23.940
You got to understand, like me and Andrew, we have contacts at YouTube.
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And sometimes you err on the side of caution with this stuff for good reason.
04:24:51.020
Nobody cares about how you feel about the convo W Darklavia or however you spell her name,
04:25:37.240
Kiko, the correct way to say women is just like swimming.
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Say three women went swimming and it should rhyme.
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Women, women, women, women, women, women, women, women, women, women, women, women, women, women, women, women, women, women.
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I'm glad you noticed that because I said woman and then woman every other word.
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I'm glad you noticed that because there's barely a fucking difference.
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Chair two ate so many jolly ranches she turned into one
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He legitimately was making fun of you, I'm telling you.
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that us women don't give a fuck that much about it
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that you can't tell I'm saying two different words.
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Even if you don't sound like you have an accent to me,
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someone from Australia thinks you have an accent.
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oh, you're so deflecting from the overall point.
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because I'm saying what you think I'm not saying.
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it would be totally legitimate for you to correct it.
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Use this $69 to get yourself a long and fat sour cream filled bar.
04:30:00.920
Tra-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la.
04:30:30.240
I will have a burrito delivered, and I will eat it on stream for $1,000?
04:30:47.980
So three 500 TTSs that say for Brian's Burrito, we get the burrito.
04:30:59.300
Boys, we're raising it for the end of the year.
04:31:09.540
But you got to put a bunch of sour cream in it.
04:31:12.580
Bro, you got to put a bunch of sour cream in it.
04:31:23.100
I need an extra thousand for like a sour cream.
04:31:26.560
What about if they send $700, I'll order us a pizza.
04:31:36.500
So you want somebody to donate money to benefit all of us?
04:31:46.700
I was just saying if someone does that instead of a champagne pulp, I will order fucking pizza
04:31:55.700
So you're saying for $2,000, you'll eat a sour cream filled burrito?
04:32:00.900
It will have a normal serving of sour cream in it.
04:32:12.580
But I will have sour cream for, what did I say?
04:32:23.720
So it can be, if you're going to do 500, you have to say burrito in the 500.
04:32:30.140
Or somebody can do 1,500 for a burrito sans sour cream or 2,500 for a burrito with.
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Because if it's like 1,500 and then we're just waiting to get to 2,500, then the people
04:33:24.560
Because they come into my job and they're like, yeah, I serve that guy In-N-Out all the
04:34:54.100
Is simping really when you just tell the truth?
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All I will say is I must be persistent and consistent
04:35:09.660
the fact that you guys have made four responses
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Here's to all your burrito stocking stuffer dreams
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They hit a button and like whatever was just said
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My understanding, these are like super expensive,
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The only way you can do this from the research I've done,
04:37:27.840
This is probably not going to make sense to him,
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It doesn't really exist when it comes to live streaming.
04:38:28.280
Are you going to give me a pink crystal, Andrew?
04:38:58.820
YouTube toes moderation is notoriously bugged, boys.
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that simply use words that sound like toes violations.
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but most of YouTube's detection systems are AI.
04:39:24.660
Yeah, it certainly can't even understand intention
04:39:29.860
So even just dropping these words into the conversations,
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The vast majority of our videos on individual levels
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If that, you know, the relationship doesn't work out,
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that Danny Boy is simping for a 30-year-old lesbian?
04:41:08.140
Maybe, maybe not the best dating strategy, bro.
04:41:17.420
I'm happy that you're explaining everything about Danny.
04:45:29.780
I actually filed a restraining order this week.
04:46:52.400
like wouldn't you assume if it's one out of 10 men,
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like the other nine men would just intervene on your behalf
04:47:06.240
So, when we gave you the 10 men versus 10 bears,
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most men would intervene seeing you being attacked in this way
04:47:57.860
I mean, there's a couple different ways that it could go.
04:48:01.620
They could intervene, in which case, yay, great.
04:48:29.220
I don't think I'm going to get anything from that question then.
04:48:35.640
I also just think that the man versus bear argument is stupid
04:48:39.340
and doesn't actually address any of the concern
04:48:46.220
Well, I think it would indicate that women who'd pick bear...
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I think it would indicate that women who'd pick bear are sexist.
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because of previous negative experiences that you've had,
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I mean, I think making it a definition of black man is racist in itself.
04:49:27.260
I think that makes the question racist in itself.
04:49:35.000
Just granted that, sure, the question in itself,
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let's just assume for a moment that it's racist.
04:49:41.500
Does that mean that if you wouldn't pick the black man
04:49:46.200
Well, I mean, like I said, it's just men in general,
04:49:48.260
but that's also, like, does that change the type of bear?
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they say more than other groups of men in other nations?
04:50:30.780
Yeah, what does that have to do with the question I asked?
04:50:39.120
Well, I'm saying that the question itself isn't.
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Now that we have ascertained that you have an opinion
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doesn't actually discuss any of the actual issues.
04:50:57.900
Okay, so what would you say that the question is?
04:51:00.900
Well, the question is trying to test your logic.
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You're so terrified that I finished this question.
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No, I think I'd still choose the bear, honestly.
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but you always wanted to dip a toe into prostitution.
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And then feet pics are like the least objectionable form.
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The statement is you can be sexist towards men.
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So you think you can't be racist towards white people.
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We have a few too many people up from the table,
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because you've circled quite a few things here,
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restraining order has been really screwing with me,
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are the ones who are picked to go out and fight war,
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and where the war is actually being taken place,
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to the women and children in those countries were not okay,
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so that's why I think both genders were affected equally.
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but do you agree with me that you can heal from traumas?
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they were picking random numbers for different men to go to the war and all that,
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if you're picking the country that are sending the men to go to war,
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but then if you're discussing the women that are affected in the country that we're fighting against.
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There's still going to be men in those countries too.
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We don't document how many women we killed while we were in those countries.
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we have no way of statistically proving how many women we hurt because we don't document it.
05:22:21.180
They are killing these women and throwing them in the bushes.
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But every man who didn't make it back home was accounted for.
05:22:34.500
But almost every human being who died in the Hiroshima Nagasaki blast were accounted for.
05:22:39.800
because they're still dying to this day from the chemicals that they're consuming.
05:22:43.760
They're not dying from the Hiroshima Nagasaki blast.
05:22:46.500
Radiation's been gone for years and years and years and years and years.
05:22:51.560
if you talk about like the Japanese invading Nanking,
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we have a pretty good idea of the death count there for men and women both.
05:23:10.360
Meaning they can still at least heal from that.
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We can take it accounting for Stacy was here yesterday.
05:23:18.540
If you can't account all the women that are everywhere.
05:23:20.540
You can't account all the women that were forever maimed from those things.
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If we can't even count the ones that were essayed.
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We don't count all the women and children or even other men.
05:23:34.800
Cause I'm sure there was also men who are victims of those things.
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But I'm saying we don't account for all the ones just because you're saying,
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even other countries will never admit how many people they hurt for us.
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If we were to assume that if we were to assume,
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Let's just say that a hundred thousand soldiers in Germany died.
05:24:27.780
A hundred thousand and 500,000 women in Germany were essayed and only like 30,000 died.
05:24:40.040
do you at least agree with me that there is a potential for them to get past that trauma of the essay?
05:24:52.300
but I'm just saying the numbers do not constitute accurately the amount of dead soldiers versus women or children affected by it.
05:25:02.020
we count every single man who doesn't make it back home.
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We don't count every man that they touched in those countries.
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We have no clue what the European nations think that those men,
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I essayed this woman in this tribe and this child in this tribe.
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they're not coming home and saying those things.
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We have no clue what the hell you realize that many nations,
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And the census never asked me if I was assaulted.
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You think Afghanistan is doing an accurate consensus?
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So if they go the next year and Kiko is not alive,
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Well then we can pretty accurately determine the numbers of how many women admit,
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including in war because they still take a census.
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Because I already agreed with you that they have the opportunity.
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We're not asking if these people aren't victims.
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to be a primary victim doesn't mean you have to be dead.
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Men lose their lives by being forced to fight these wars.
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but I'm still alive with the meteoroid in my head.
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because they're the first ones who were affected.
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And everyone here can see that that's not the point.
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the reason that this is actually phrased this way,
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I think many more women were hurt from wars than men.
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this would entail that you think more women died
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I greatly appreciate this opportunity but I am tired
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Andrew bro you gotta apologize no it's truly it's fine I'm sorry you think you're a six
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Andrew bro don't no no no we can't we can't beauty is in the eye of the beholder so maybe you don't
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and Andrew's drunk but I'm sure there's many other people that would honestly he also called his own wife a six so okay well when you're supposed to get better looking with your dog I'm crying you called your own fucking wife a six so I don't think your opinion matters
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yeah no no no no no he didn't agree with my six you know look I'm I'm kicking Andrew off the panel for no he's gonna go smoke a cigarette all I know is if I'm kicking my man called me a six it's not a rage quit I lose my shit no I'm kicking Andrew off
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I'm the finest bitch he ever saw literally Andrew was very rude the fuck he's stepping away okay rude
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he's gonna go he willingly went to go smoke a cigarette not everybody has to like me but my husband
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fucking time out yeah you're in time out to me the whole fucking evening look but no Rachel I knew the question was a trap too
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no but Rachel watched previous videos and I knew how it was gonna go down but like she doesn't I don't know
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why I gave y'all the benefit you have beautiful hey I didn't say I didn't say I did not say anything
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you never I was backing you I didn't say no no I know it was it was this fucking misogynist
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sitting next to me this little what can we please pull up that thing you said I look like I never I
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know it's not they're good-looking men I swear to God he made the comment I want to know but the fact that
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you say they're good-looking men but she looks like the sister she doesn't look like a man yeah
07:09:40.100
yeah right she could look like the little sister right I I know what you're saying gorgeous eyes I
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know what you're saying because she doesn't understand who it is though she's like you're
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saying I look like a man I only want to see it because for the fact is I don't know you guys are
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off the fucking rails everybody be crying you started it you guys are off the rails we're having a good
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time this is a great episode I know I saw it I do look like a potato that's why I mean that's why
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that's why are you crossing your arms right that's why I brought it up yeah all right I would say
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marshmallow next question so do you guys think silence you people
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what do you mean is so not actually mean but he tries so yeah yeah he's brand officially racist in my eyes
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racist yeah it's not racist it's not racist to say that you that I look like another black person
07:10:29.120
you know you remind me of somebody who lost their career because of lip-syncing before lip-syncing
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was well I'm not a lip-syncer so you're that's what I was comparing that's not racist these poor
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Milli Vanilli they Milli Vanilli they lost they were huge thank you thank you Rachel they lost their
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entire career Rachel you're gorgeous that's not what I was saying at all Rachel your husband called
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you a six that's I never commented on your appearances bro Rachel's the one fucking commenting
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I can comment what did you say what did you oh is that is that her that's his wife yeah what did
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you say what did you say she said Kiko I'm not an ugly woman I'm an average woman what's wrong with
07:11:07.660
that I was like I never commented on her look I asked her husband what he would classify her as and
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he called her a six I never said anything about her looks Kiko can you straighten your mic and straighten up
07:11:17.240
a little bit like you know straighten up the table scoot that way you're off to
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I'm about to get up I'm gonna slice the pizza though okay cool that's great okay so anyways
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the before you do I gotta ask the question okay asking the question but first I need to address
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the Milli Vanilli thing first off these poor fucking guys they did the lip-syncing thing before well
07:11:37.040
it was also because they weren't even the ones singing it it was like another singer it was like
07:11:40.880
a ghost singer so that was the other issue but they got caught lip-syncing and it just their
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career over very sad very sad great great songs by the way they didn't sing them I think I don't
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think whatever it would have been a hit today going around the table do you think you'll be
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better looking in 10 years time better looking in 10 years time 10 years yeah so you're 24 better
07:12:02.920
looking at 34 yeah better looking in 20 years time at 44 to be 40 tilt your mic down maybe 40
07:12:10.760
okay what about you you're 22 better looking in 10 years time at 32 I'd say yeah 20 years time at 42
07:12:24.220
so yes okay better looking in 30 years time at 52
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52 I hope so better looking in 40 years time at 62
07:12:36.960
nah I feel like that's when I'm gonna start to get okay when do you think you'll peak I guess
07:12:40.960
um I don't know I think maybe I think 30 is gonna be my peak
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all right I know that that's not uh you're 31 better look will you be better looking in 10 years
07:12:54.780
time at 41 god I hope so that's the goal well what about not what you hope but what you think
07:13:00.700
yeah I'm gonna manifest it you're gonna I'm gonna manifest it yeah
07:13:04.560
don't you mean you're gonna manifest it yeah with crystals
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however you imagine me doing that is the way that I'm gonna do it cool okay uh 20 years time at 51
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yeah I'm just gonna be confident about it okay 30 years time at 61
07:13:25.980
probably not okay uh and then you're 31 now do you think you're better looking now at 31 than you
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were 10 years ago at 21 yes okay you're 44 better looking in 10 years time at 54
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less stress so I think so yeah better looking in 20 years time at 64 64 uh keep same look better
07:13:50.780
looking than now yeah uh but uh 30 years time at 74 that is when I feel it'll start to change
07:13:59.340
change correct okay and then you're 44 better looking uh where are you better looking now 44 than
07:14:06.860
you were 10 years ago at 34 um yeah I am actually better looking now okay because I was stressed you
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now than I did back then stressed yeah and then I shed a lot of trauma from 10 years ago shaman
07:14:24.820
shedding yes yeah uh and then if we go 20 years back better looking now at 44 than when you were at 24
07:14:32.420
um now then versus 20 44 versus 24 uh oh my god I would say 22 was hold on I looked good at 20
07:14:44.700
actually you looked good yeah at 20 so better looking at 24 yeah I see okay all right uh what
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about you you're 23 10 years time 33 no okay you're 25 better looking in 10 years time at 35
07:14:58.940
no okay Sheena you're uh um I think as long as my mind will work I don't think I would look better
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honestly unless I go to Korea for real that's why I'm good that's why I'm going in April but I think
07:15:11.700
you are going to look gorgeous I'm going to Korea in April oh my god I'm jealous oh those are the
07:15:17.860
officials you know like they do this oh don't touch your face your face no she's like a facial like
07:15:22.940
clean closet yes I thought you meant you're going to Korea to get things done to your face I was
07:15:27.540
like you're fucking crazy girl you're gonna age amazing don't worry I'm telling you you look like
07:15:32.140
my cousins you're not gonna watch but I will guarantee you would look worse than you do now
07:15:35.800
no I promise you that you're too young so what so ah yeah now yes all right we we have some AI
07:15:41.100
we got some AI going on here so young uh so guys we are gonna age you guys forward and see what
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you guys look like oh no way I don't mind that is well my mother is my mother doesn't even look like
07:15:55.700
that I mean like what do you mean it looks real shit but my mom is 50 and doesn't that take a
07:16:02.600
screenshot take a screenshot maybe when I'm 70 but I won't look like that in 10 years that was 10
07:16:08.460
like that must be 10 years like what are we talking about right now I said 10 years only
07:16:12.580
huh can you take screenshot from my picture when it comes uh yeah it's kind of a cunty
07:16:17.920
fucking screenshot though can you send that to me oh my god it looks so real it's scary
07:16:22.780
again like that looks like my grandma and she's 60 70 so exactly like that right here
07:16:30.320
grandma age that's 20 years of aging yeah that's 20 that's 20 years that is not what 40 year olds
07:16:36.340
look like that is definitely what 42 42 no a heart a heart genes you have it depends what genes you
07:16:43.840
have the heart a heart for me too that could be a very hard like she worked the streets next
07:16:50.540
no it's not true it's also your genetic weight you look good as hell okay yeah wait not too bad
07:16:56.620
she looks good you're gonna nose drop a little bit but she said didn't you say you'd be better at
07:17:02.140
like 70 no or who was that oh no that was you she said 50 i don't think it's better i think 50 you
07:17:07.740
cut it off honestly the the ai did was very generous i think uh next no you're gonna age good
07:17:23.140
wow damn wait this is like 40 now you really look like you have to go to korea
07:17:31.220
now you have to go to korea no for real that's what i'm gonna look like if i don't stop vaping bro
07:17:39.460
that's right right honestly so stop i'm gonna stop at 25 stop it's an addiction it's dangerous
07:17:45.140
it's an addiction you don't have to be addicted no but we are next i can say i'm addicted me too
07:17:51.380
you look good too yeah you look at my auntie surely this ai was very generous going out no
07:18:00.260
i look like my mother no you look like ivanka no i look ugly as fuck oh damn you but i'm not
07:18:08.820
gonna look like that because i'm probably gonna fix it before you will have body dysmorphia is what
07:18:13.300
you have no i don't have anybody no oh anyone any a blind man i could tell you i was i was injured
07:18:19.700
in a terror attack my whole face was with scars i actually managed to fix it insensitive
07:18:25.460
fucking kiko everything but you also it's your career though you're so i don't have anybody my
07:18:30.580
body with no clothes no clothes look younger than all of you combined that's not what that means
07:18:36.100
and i was not hating on you what do you mean what do you mean dysmorphia like not proportional no no
07:18:40.500
no body dysmorphia means you think that you look a lot worse than you do you're much more beautiful
07:18:45.780
than you understand i have many scars oh my god get a room i was i was complimenting you i have scars on
07:18:51.300
my left hand i was complimenting you just so you know i don't want you to think that right i was
07:18:56.820
saying something different next you look like jack nicholson of course oh my god oh giga chad
07:19:04.100
it's so actually your hair looks better like that maybe with 200 000 you know what it's the eyebrow
07:19:11.540
for me if i like your hair then i saw that man i would run so fast for my life no nobody's hair
07:19:17.860
look better than now i think when you need to go back you've run for your life thank you from that
07:19:22.260
giga chad what'd he do he looks like a mutant maybe he's just buying his own business 200 dollars
07:19:28.660
care two if your bf gave you an ultimatum between monogamy or he's leaving you do you choose being
07:19:34.900
monogamous with him rather than being promiscuous and all alone where do your values really lie oh where
07:19:42.100
do you i don't have body dysmorphia i actually embarrass and respect the girls so i say the
07:19:48.180
lower number let's just let her answer the question i get you yeah i get you be good um be good so
07:19:56.660
i don't know because the fact that he's giving me an ultimatum would be an issue for me um but i really
07:20:04.660
really care about him and i respect him as a person so if he was really wanting to do the monogamy
07:20:11.220
thing i think i'd be open to trying it um so you're against ultimatums yeah it's like a it's like
07:20:18.900
a give away your cat or that's like those are particulars though right because like a lot of
07:20:25.620
relationships ultimatums like if i gave my boyfriend the ultimatum like hey if we're dating you can't
07:20:30.660
other women you can't dm other women like that's an ultimatum that's a condition that you had previously
07:20:37.060
set right so the condition that we previously set was we're in an open relationship right but
07:20:43.780
that is a condition you don't like ultimatums yeah sometimes because them are reasonable within a
07:20:48.420
relationship yeah sometimes but the example that you gave again it was a pre pre-discussed decision yeah
07:20:56.740
yeah it's something that we both talked about extensively we actually didn't even make it official
07:21:01.380
until we had fully talked over being monogamous versus versus not monogamous how do you attract
07:21:08.340
it to him when he let you that's why i'm curious i'm asking that because i'm curious how do you how
07:21:13.860
do you even attract it to him when you know he doesn't mind that you spread your legs for another
07:21:19.300
man i would be so turned off if a man would let another man touch me i could not get aroused sexually
07:21:25.860
i think that's mainly like do with how you were raised or like maybe a cultural thing or something
07:21:34.020
i'm not sure it's just so i'm the same way as her i could never be with i can never be with a man
07:21:38.340
that was okay with me it's got nothing to do with culture by the way i'm okay with you yeah it's got
07:21:43.140
nothing to do with culture and i think it's the most attractive thing about a man when he when he's
07:21:48.660
when he's worried that you're not sleeping with other people it's so attractive that you protect you
07:21:53.460
i am the opposite i think it's really just trading you out there he's trading you but he's not
07:21:58.660
it's so cheap that he's trading but he's not what's your body exactly what's your body count my
07:22:03.700
body count well sure yeah consensual or not consensual consensual consensual oh you can't get
07:22:10.660
up four four i don't believe it yeah we'll get you a pizza women lie about it i don't believe it
07:22:15.860
eat cheese oh i don't believe it this is a complete lie banana it's banana back there
07:22:23.220
you can eat at the table but you said you talked about multiple dates and stuff that you had before
07:22:28.820
with this boyfriend does a date mean that i know but he asked you i i followed it andrew asked you
07:22:34.580
specifically or him or him i don't remember by the way the second kiko let me speak please don't go over
07:22:39.540
me they ask you when you date the men in the beginning of the show when you date other men if you go out
07:22:45.060
and sleep with them and you said yes it's no way in the world that you had intercourse with only four
07:22:50.580
men you said yes that you that you sleep with other men yeah i have slept with other men correct
07:22:57.300
exactly but for it's the only man you had your whole life yes of course i don't believe what about
07:23:02.260
women women uh i've made out with women but i haven't actually oh sealed the deal with a woman okay
07:23:10.660
yeah so no your girlfriend's very i just feel i just feel honestly i just feel really sorry for
07:23:17.700
you i feel bad for you i think you're capable and intelligent i appreciate that i feel really sad
07:23:24.100
for you that you're you're you're reckless with what you're doing that the outcome is going to come in
07:23:29.140
the future i feel like if i was sleeping around with everybody just because i could that would make
07:23:35.940
me reckless but this guy could come out of the blue and tell you all of a sudden he's a kickoff
07:23:40.900
it's to see you with another man and it could happen because he's a simp and he's like doesn't
07:23:45.140
care about you obviously like if it's he what would you do that he's very deeply about me he has been
07:23:49.620
more he's pimping you out he has no he's not i'm okay if you want to say pimping me out i'm pimping
07:23:56.900
myself out it doesn't matter but he let you he's your boyfriend he's your man so you're you're in
07:24:01.780
an emotionally open relationship what no i'm in an open open relationship i've slept with a person
07:24:10.260
um outside of our relationship a singular person three four that's disgusting
07:24:18.740
i did that at all it just it's funny because when you say i'm it i just turned it does make
07:24:25.460
it hard to okay a little bit i just turned 22. i was sexually assaulted when i was 15 to when i was
07:24:32.500
17. i was with my husband for ex-husband um from when i was 16 all the way to you were married at 16.
07:24:43.780
no i was with him as in like we were dating how long were you actually married to him i was only
07:24:48.500
married to him for six months oh um before stuff happened and we separated um but while i was with
07:24:57.380
my ex-husband he was the only person that i had been with after the sexual assault i guess that's
07:25:02.900
because people assume like if you're in an open relationship they think that i'm sleeping around
07:25:07.940
yeah because also but she presented it like this you did say she presented it like that that like
07:25:13.140
you're going on dates and you entertain other people so into our eyes like what need is there
07:25:19.460
to entertain other people besides your partner if you're not sleeping them with them like but i have
07:25:25.300
i have slept with one other person so i did entertain but at least you know it's not cheating
07:25:29.460
it's remind me the girl from all my fans not cheating oh that's crazy chair three that's crazy
07:25:36.820
four five and six please for the love of god just shut up for one second so bloody disruptive it's not
07:25:45.540
all about you he's being sarcastic that one i got me yeah they know they've been out of control
07:25:52.580
she's been out of control out of control out of control out of control unbelievable but i want to
07:25:59.700
say something it's the only fun girl that she claims on the media she said i'm virgin be quiet over
07:26:05.300
there would you stop she said she's virgin but then she's with guys from only fans down so it's
07:26:11.860
the same thing it's not the same thing um because again like i said i was only with my husband from
07:26:17.700
when i was uh 16 to now you're talking like you're conservative before you you act like you're
07:26:23.460
sleeping you're both sleeping around like there's no tomorrow i don't know with my ex-husband
07:26:27.700
no i was not i was monogamous she was so i have gone on dates with multiple people both men and
07:26:35.060
women since it doesn't matter if you had sex or not still but i still putting yourself out there
07:26:40.820
it's still okay and never mind what would i date why do you why do you do open relationships like i'm
07:26:48.180
actually guys can we just not dog pile her okay no i'm like i'm actually genuinely curious like
07:26:53.940
why are you such a hater kiko no no i want to know what what drives people to like want to do that
07:27:00.580
maybe you could just straighten your mic a little thank you okay i will i'll i want to address your
07:27:04.980
question what were you saying you said would you i was wondering like my producer came up and
07:27:12.020
whispered to me while i was like up there for a second he was like hey brian i'm kind of like
07:27:16.020
really feeling lexi like i was just wondering i was that a button or him i was just wondering
07:27:25.300
like he i was wondering like would you go on date with him okay so here's the thing oh here's the
07:27:32.420
no here's the thing i also in order what her boyfriend's white i met him is white um very
07:27:39.380
white you go black you never go back he's white he could be latino he could be white latino okay can
07:27:48.340
i answer the question yes so for me in order to feel comfortable sleeping with somebody i need to
07:27:54.340
have a friendship with them first oh that's that he wants he doesn't go talk to him he does not want to
07:28:00.740
just hit and quit he wants to be buddies he wants a serious but like isn't that not an open relationship
07:28:09.300
anymore is that like polygamy at that point because the open relationship it's not supposed to be
07:28:14.580
relationship relationship then i'm not the girl he's right you really told you do so you're bluffing
07:28:20.500
he's looking for whatever you got going on literally whatever okay so so friends with benefits
07:28:28.740
three thumbs um brian you really said that or are you bluffing no brian would never he would never
07:28:36.260
do you accept one i'd have to see him two i'd have to meet him three we'd have to have conversations
07:28:43.380
go go have a conversation on the terrace that guy you that cool awesome is she oh sorry we just broke
07:28:53.300
up he said though oh my god anywho um and then going back to her i should wait for her to come back
07:29:00.500
actually to answer her question anywho we were going on off of body counts anybody else want to chip
07:29:05.940
in while we're waiting yeah um i'm ready to leave no hey no more liquor no more alcohol kiko
07:29:11.860
wait i can take you home because i don't want to drive i'm giving you a good show i need more
07:29:18.820
liquids i can take him down no no more fine so hold on hold on going around the table what's everybody's
07:29:23.300
body count go ahead kiko that's between me and my boyfriend you've already shared it on the show
07:29:28.020
it's like 15 or something i think it's like 27 you are you just want me to say it now i know
07:29:34.500
no no no i went i went and pulled the episode it was 23. little pricks i know i pulled it bro it's
07:29:42.500
23. no i never said that yeah you know what kiko i i'm more than willing to admit that i was wrong
07:29:48.820
what what was it it was one my boyfriend what's your body count my body count four okay um
07:30:10.020
six men five five women okay like a peanut gallery back here none of your business yeah i i hold on
07:30:17.060
i knew that was coming i'm channeling my shamanism
07:30:25.220
okay listen i'll do it i'll do it brian he's been asking he's asking all right i'm astral
07:30:31.060
projecting it's 46. that's what the angels told me is 40. really how i was thinking like seven
07:30:44.900
41 41. nothing against you or how you look but based off the things you've said
07:30:52.980
that's include women and men uh in your age i would conduct it's around or conduce it's around
07:30:58.500
like 90. 90? yeah. whoa she's 44 in a professional cover. the angels are agreeing with kiko right now
07:31:07.140
nothing about her or anything against her. yeah she said she just gives them hand jobs
07:31:12.900
that's what or wait i don't think she does but i think anyone who falls into that profession is
07:31:21.380
probably a little bit more loosey-goosey when it comes to their organs. listen up it's all above
07:31:25.700
the board her professional cuddling it's all legitimate it's all above the board. i didn't
07:31:30.180
call her a prostitute. i will not let you slander her. completely different. it's an hourly.
07:31:35.380
she does not offer. she doesn't say she cuddles penises. that's why i said 90 and not 9 000. i said 90. chill
07:31:44.100
out kiko. whoa kiko. i didn't say that's that's very she said her job her cuddling business is
07:31:50.340
purely professional. she said in the beginning. that's why i'm not including anyone in that but
07:31:54.580
i just think for you to be a professional cuddler you're probably a little bit more fluid when it
07:31:59.460
comes to those things. let's not bring fluids into this. yeah literally. like a mustache.
07:32:04.900
okay what about you? it's conductive reasoning. moving on. what's everybody else's? calm your titties kiko.
07:32:11.620
she refused to answer. i'll answer if you guys answer. okay i'll answer. and brian has to answer as
07:32:17.060
well. is it his like fucking one or something? i promise you that brian will answer as well. go
07:32:20.340
ahead. brian will never answer. he has to go first and then i'll answer.
07:32:22.660
like that one agent. in the final show. how's that not fair? it's time for everyone to know.
07:32:26.900
well because because here's what i've noticed. i've noticed that people tend to lie a lot especially
07:32:33.940
women about their body counts. yes. and they have a lot of incentive to do so. yeah. and so i think
07:32:40.100
okay it's fair. unless you're not ashamed of it. i wouldn't be ashamed of it. yeah. i wish it was
07:32:44.900
higher. look i agree. i agree with this. okay. i've just noticed there's a lot of women who lie
07:32:51.380
about this. yeah. fair enough. right. but the thing is it's like okay i'll go. you go first. and then
07:32:59.940
if i think you're not lying i'll reveal my actual body count.
07:33:03.060
okay but you have to tell. wait are you like suggesting that's what i'm thinking? yes. wait
07:33:08.980
wait okay how about how about how about there's an intermediary where both of you tell that person
07:33:14.580
your actual body count. oh we can write down a piece of paper. and then you reveal it and then that person
07:33:18.660
gets to say whether or not they're lying or not. just say your fucking body counts. it's like a
07:33:22.980
fucked up game of indian poker. yeah. oh my god. just say your body counts. honestly it's not
07:33:29.700
it's not that deep. nobody's gonna judge. you don't want to do it just lie. guys are still gonna
07:33:33.780
fuck you even if they don't know your body count. right. no matter what. so i have a boyfriend of
07:33:37.700
almost three years so it wasn't that i just thought yeah he should answer and then i'll answer. brian
07:33:42.580
never does. yeah. no brian never. ever. never. i'm afraid people will think less of me. why? i
07:33:48.660
didn't think brian is an answer because it's less of a woman that he should have fucked. i think brian's
07:33:53.460
not answering because he's actually the optimal word there is couldn't even if i wanted to. i'm
07:33:56.740
being honest. why? nothing against him but that's what i read. what? that brian doesn't share his
07:34:02.660
body count because he's actually wishes it was higher. you think so? no for real. is that why you
07:34:06.820
don't share your body count? because you wish it was higher? i don't share my body count because i'm in
07:34:10.500
a relationship and that's nobody's business besides my partner. i used to share it before i was in
07:34:14.660
a relationship. i said it multiple times on this podcast. well has it changed?
07:34:18.420
since the podcast. since the podcast. it's well since before i used to share it it went up by one
07:34:23.860
because now i sleep with my boyfriend but i used to save my body count but now that i've been with
07:34:28.020
my boyfriend i don't think that is something that i should be discussing with other people besides him.
07:34:33.700
the principle behind it anyway has nothing actually to do with the body count. it has to
07:34:37.620
do with the idea of women who say that they don't think it matters. yeah i understand when they say
07:34:43.460
then when you ask them okay well then what's yours they go well it's not yours it's like well i thought
07:34:47.540
it didn't matter you know what i mean so like if you didn't want to reveal your body count i think
07:34:52.100
guess what i don't want to fucking hear i don't care you know what i mean the point is to is to look
07:34:56.660
at what it is that's said that's it so do i look like i have a body count of 12. yes okay for sure yes for
07:35:06.900
sure call me yes yes no no i didn't say that i'm just kidding do you feel like a slut no okay well
07:35:17.460
i don't regret any of my bodies so but why then just no it was just a joke i'm just playing devil's
07:35:22.500
advocate though yeah go ahead you're like that's my body count and you're like do i look like i have
07:35:26.100
that much yeah and he said yes and you're like do i look like a slut oh yeah no but that's what it
07:35:30.420
is because i knew he was gonna say that right yeah i was gonna say yeah so that's what i was
07:35:34.900
leading into that do you think i'm a slut i had that whole conversation planned out in my head
07:35:39.300
i just he's pretty i know how they twist it here so like to the body counting yeah in the questionnaire
07:35:44.580
you say men so the statement is men are not insecure for caring about a woman's body count you disagree
07:35:52.740
yes because like a lot of men have high body counts too and it's socially like acceptable for men to
07:35:59.860
have high body counts not the same so it is it's opinionated it's not the same for a man and
07:36:06.020
woman to have the body count it is it's not i feel like it is men look at it differently i agree
07:36:11.620
with sheena i agree they'll pretend that they don't care because they want to put you in bed
07:36:17.460
but trust me men prefer to marry a woman that hasn't slipped with a lot of that's right and she
07:36:21.700
doesn't know to do sex all the tricks go off someone that's used we don't want to marry the town
07:36:26.340
bicycle exactly i think exactly sheena has my back okay but sheena has my back but you'll write
07:36:32.420
it hang on but you're like the bicycle seat though like if you you're like the bicycle
07:36:38.100
like like men no no no men a majority of the time have a way higher body count than women
07:36:46.180
um unless you're a woman that's like no i'm gonna sleep that's not normal we are the receiver
07:36:50.660
they are the giver that's not normal even their bodies to take out of their body it should be
07:36:55.460
frowned upon as well no it's not the same you should not if you guys come up here and i think
07:37:00.020
it's weird say it's okay for men to be sleeping around no it's not okay to sleep around but it's
07:37:04.180
i'm not saying it's okay to men to sleep but you said it's different but i say it's completely
07:37:07.780
different women bear children in her womb women a man can have a hundred kids a year no but it doesn't
07:37:13.460
matter but they don't grow the kid inside their body but they could produce a hundred different
07:37:17.380
kids a year i think that's i know i agree with you majority wait in majority places in the world
07:37:22.180
okay when a woman had saying when a woman wait when a woman have when a woman in her 40 and 50 and 60
07:37:29.860
her vagina becoming big for a reason not just because that's that's all wait it's not false
07:37:35.060
hold on because okay listen listen it's not false at all listen to me listen to me please let me let
07:37:40.740
me get this point out oh what is different let her get a point out
07:37:43.700
no because she's told me i'm trying to point out but i hear you don't let me finish me so what is
07:37:48.500
what is different right between you're because you're talking about you just said about a woman
07:37:53.860
the older she gets her vagina getting looser and i'll explain why okay so what is the difference
07:37:58.020
between her sleeping with different men versus sleeping with the same man i'll explain five times
07:38:02.980
a day i'll explain anything a woman in a relationship will probably get her hole stretched out a lot more
07:38:08.020
than someone who's single i'll explain that's a myth that's a myth how's that a myth don't get
07:38:13.060
that they don't that's not true oh my god wait you girls you don't understand your relationship
07:38:19.220
you're right okay let me let me say the same guy a hundred times my coochie will be losing
07:38:24.500
can i please can i explain you asked the question you asked the question let me explain but i think
07:38:29.620
with the right clothes the right look you can be very striking can no more champagne can i can i
07:38:35.620
please he hasn't even finished his champagne i'm trying to finish my point trying to get you drunk
07:38:40.340
brian when a woman sleep with multiple men okay who said that and change what what happened what they
07:38:47.060
say and change no he said they're trying to get brian drunk uh okay can i finish my point please
07:38:55.220
okay when a woman have multiple men it's because the lifestyle she live in she's clubbing she's probably
07:39:01.220
doing drugs wait let me finish oh my god i'm trying to put my point when when a woman have a
07:39:07.940
lifestyle of sleeping with multiple men it's usually small penises big penises medium penises three times
07:39:15.220
a day four times a day wait with that being said something about mary with that being said a woman can
07:39:22.260
sleep with one man and still stretch because after a certain age wait after a certain age okay a woman's
07:39:29.300
stretch if you like it or not okay a woman's stretch if you like it or not that's why a majority of
07:39:34.100
men prefer to sleep with young women because their vagina is very tight and that's the fact god damn you
07:39:40.580
don't want to hear the truth that's the fact they're probably they're probably tight because they are
07:39:46.180
so disrespectful as a man hey so disrespectful one at a time i'm trying to speak but you guys all go
07:39:53.300
walking over me that's not nice well you said something last minute right there like that was
07:39:58.100
i say facts you don't want to hear facts guys but it's not it's biologically not a fact it's
07:40:02.100
biologically a fact it's not you don't have any woman go and stretch to make their vagina small
07:40:07.940
okay country go to another country go to a woman group on facebook that's probably that's probably
07:40:13.940
what what are you talking about it's not it's not more maybe in the mormon church and stuff
07:40:18.340
sorry i'm sorry to tell you woman isn't getting their coochie it's not true that's not true
07:40:23.540
america is number one in the world with women fixing their vagina a man that's worried because
07:40:28.740
men think that they get stretched out because women get stretched out no you don't oh my god
07:40:34.660
a vagina of a woman in her 40 it's not a vagina of a woman in her 20. wait wait wait okay it's
07:40:40.900
scientifically proven that you can have your vagina only gets to that point when it's stimulated
07:40:48.980
for sex and it goes back to its original size when it's done how do you think that's the biggest
07:40:56.180
slide out and it goes back yeah you think we're just walking around the husband's stitch is
07:41:01.460
fucked up and it's not walking like people you don't know let's let's meet in 20
07:41:09.300
i know so many shut the fuck up okay she says my friend my friend had a loose vagina is it your
07:41:17.060
friend is it your friend is it your friend that's not what i said i don't know i know someone you can
07:41:24.740
say what you you can say what you want but it's a fact what what what oh wait no i have a question
07:41:33.860
for the bisexual on the topic of vaginas i have a question for the bisexual and lesbian
07:41:43.860
and queer are you queer are you queer bisexual not queer i mean i guess queer i just i've identified
07:41:50.100
so as a man as me yeah i happen to have a labia preference i like audis oh my i prefer i prefer
07:41:58.260
audis don't get me wrong still still will very much date a woman with an innie prefer audis
07:42:05.060
innies are great beautiful i all labia matter but big labia matter okay okay
07:42:12.900
i could not say i've ever noticed a difference i'm just wondering i've never been with a woman
07:42:17.700
and been like oh her had was bigger than the other you women who have had carnal chill out chill out
07:42:23.300
kiko okay chill all right okay thank you you're drunk i was quiet already like i had to stop talking
07:42:34.580
you guys have been around at least one vagina besides your own around do you have a preference
07:42:42.420
for innies or annies no i've never noticed i've never noticed really ever don't have you ever
07:42:48.980
noticed if someone had like like i've never been like oh they don't have a penis it's inside like
07:42:55.700
let me go against this differently like wait i do date women but unfortunately i haven't sealed the
07:43:01.300
deal um but i got you i know somebody okay i do i will i actually do this is the second person she's
07:43:08.420
you've tried to set her up on this episode i am a matchmaker okay and you're failing i will fired
07:43:13.940
i will get you there okay that one was a good one that was a good idea if you were a matchmaker
07:43:20.020
you need a new profession because you've done terrible the amount of women who i have
07:43:27.300
gotten other people you know you're sex with you know you're what
07:43:33.220
you know you can't even say that my success my success rate is
07:43:38.420
i might not want to but i am very good at getting other people sexual intercourse
07:43:44.500
you're terrible actually never get to himself celibate if anything thank you for the
07:43:49.700
degeneracy tonight bro i don't know it's level 100 and he's really nothing you don't have you don't
07:43:58.820
care no really okay all right i've seen i've seen a big labia before but i didn't know it was
07:44:06.820
called a labia until you just tell this show what did you call it a fucking i just caught it big
07:44:12.100
i just caught it big big but i didn't know it was called a labia until i came on here
07:44:18.180
like who my friends your friend you've got yeah because i was i some of my friends like they get
07:44:24.180
like waxed and stuff and i go with them so i've seen most of my friends looking right down main street
07:44:28.420
wow yeah see i love my friends i've gotten waxed but i would never have my my friends stare at me
07:44:34.420
while i got my fucking pussy wax i have one that i know like giant it's embarrassing there's some
07:44:41.220
things that should be kept to yourself andrew earmuffs but yeah i've never knew it was called
07:44:46.340
that until the show told you told me that's cool i've never heard i just thought that some people
07:44:50.740
have it some people don't anyways it's a you have a labia minora and then a labia majora
07:44:55.140
everyone has different sizes oh i never did not know that yep you have like the inner yeah like the
07:44:59.540
outside lips majora the inner one they're talking about the minora like the b flaps the curtains
07:45:05.540
how those can be different sizes y'all crazy man but yeah i'm sorry honestly i feel
07:45:11.220
y'all crazy i'm not even gonna say it but y'all big ladies out of nowhere
07:45:16.820
not a bad thing bam suddenly we're talking we're pushing for the cushion
07:45:20.900
i'm just kidding i didn't say that okay all right guys guys chill out okay you asked me
07:45:30.740
chill out just answering questions he said uh we were talking about hierarchy we didn't even finish
07:45:38.260
the thing about body count men are anything men are insecure for caring about the body count uh
07:45:42.260
uh you know what i think you should just say that they're not and agree with me you should just
07:45:51.860
how about you say you did but you did it you should just agree with all my positions
07:45:57.460
you know what what how would that make a fun podcast you should just be like you know what brian
07:46:02.420
you are i wouldn't you know what you know what yeah you are all the women are just like you know
07:46:07.380
what brian i just agree with you on everything that would be so that's too easy and boring and nobody
07:46:12.100
want to watch it right that is a good point good point we you know how about this to those of you
07:46:17.780
when we were talking i identify as the correct person on all issues that have been contemplated
07:46:27.620
i identify as correct on all issues that have been contemplated okay here tonight that have been
07:46:32.820
discussed here tonight and i wish for you to affirm my identity as the correct individual on all that has
07:46:40.500
been discussed please affirm my identity kiko no because then you'd be all-knowing the only one
07:46:45.460
who's all-knowing is god i will never say you're all-knowing post excuse me all-knowing benevolent
07:46:50.900
is god not my rate of never mind um thank you i don't feel good about myself because you will not
07:46:59.780
affirm my identity i think that's something you need to work out within yourself but i wouldn't have
07:47:04.180
never put anyone above my god thank you sorry i haven't had one of these since i was a little
07:47:11.620
kid they still taste like shit they make your throat you know that saliva in your throat like
07:47:16.900
you just want to take a fucking huck of loogie that's what they make me want to do that's the
07:47:19.700
last thing sitting there on mine that's so weird i knew exactly what you're talking about
07:47:23.700
capri sun they're just fucking elementary okay have you guys ever put these in the freezer and
07:47:30.020
then like cut off the top and then like slushy oh my god no this is good nope don't knock it
07:47:38.580
it's like a capri sun uh like yeah but i would like for you to affirm my identity as the uh my yes i i
07:47:49.700
this is the thing that i don't agree with so no i affirm your identity i'm supporting even if you
07:47:54.500
told me to call you a woman i already i already heard that interaction will you affirm my identity
07:48:00.340
as the correct person on all issues if it makes you feel better it does make me feel better do you
07:48:06.260
affirm it my identity sure sweet i i that seemed a little disingenuous a little disingenuous uh like
07:48:16.100
she was just i don't feel like she was really affirming kiko women should go 50 50 on dates
07:48:23.300
you put a mark through it you disagree i'm just like whatever okay uh we have
07:48:32.980
i'm so glad that worked maria you said uh you disagree women should go 50 50 on dates so the man
07:48:40.340
should pay yeah the man should pay why um because he's the one that is courting me so he needs to
07:48:52.820
show that he's interested in me and is willing to invest in me doesn't sound very native american-y
07:49:02.420
it's not feminist wait what well she said 50 50 she's well we're talking about the two spirit and
07:49:07.620
oh that stuff yeah that's right and she was talking yeah though anyway yeah okay i'm not there's not
07:49:14.180
nobody else then giving pushback on the 50 50 thing we do have uh men put in more effort than women
07:49:21.060
when it comes to dating kiko you disagree lexi disagrees amanda disagrees
07:49:26.340
but you don't date men sorry uh what was it danny boy men put in more effort than women when it
07:49:37.940
comes to dating maria you disagree oh my god wait i need one of those
07:49:45.620
yes get her one uh i've never seen you so enthusiastically here oh you're getting rid of
07:49:51.620
the banana i told you i didn't want it you i've already had two like four i've had two bananas
07:49:58.580
already uh okay kiko uh you think women put in more effort than men when it comes to dating no i don't
07:50:05.780
i think it's very equal if you're saying like in the sense of like how a man has to ask a woman out
07:50:12.660
and plan the date and such sure but the actual hardships of dating i feel like a lot of women go
07:50:20.100
through the same shit that men do that's why i also like i didn't like but like i i didn't disagree
07:50:25.380
about how men are easily what the hell do the women go through the oh i have too many choices
07:50:32.980
like that's why i was saying like if if you're talking about the court the courting part or it's
07:50:38.500
like asking out on a date and initiating the date then men have it harder that's why i i did agree that
07:50:45.060
women are easier have it easier when it comes to like sex and things like that i do agree women
07:50:49.540
have it easier but when it comes to dating like yes he went he put the effort in to ask me out and
07:50:55.620
take me on a date but sometimes a lot of times the things the men do during that time period
07:51:02.500
wouldn't necessarily make it easy for women like they'll put them through hell so hey wait guys if
07:51:08.980
you guys are going to flirt i'll you guys can but you got to get on camera and make out right now
07:51:15.380
right now right now hey she said should we go viral she's down she's always why did she don't
07:51:24.020
black wife over here and make out with her right now doesn't otherwise you guys be quiet no he was
07:51:31.220
outside talking to his girl hey doesn't bring her over here and make out with her right now i'm the
07:51:37.540
matchmaker okay you have your security wearing a wife beater yeah that's what the best security
07:51:46.020
guards do that's so ghetto you're that is so ghetto you can't even put on a t-shirt come say hi
07:51:57.940
because you're a ghetto that's why you're making us look bad
07:52:06.820
you're one to speak you're the one who sat outside my job eating your little meal on the
07:52:10.260
fucking bench please she has so much to say you're a bartender and what did you do at my bar
07:52:21.700
yeah you don't want me to say what you did at my bar thank you
07:52:28.740
let's not i i don't know what it is but i want to know what i was even going to get like that no
07:52:34.180
he didn't do nothing like that but he's trying to talk about i just ate at your bar no you couldn't
07:52:40.420
come outside because you couldn't come inside because you wanted to eat your little meal at the
07:52:44.580
fucking chair he refused to yeah thank you no and i was being real nice to you and actually my security
07:52:51.860
my manager actually yelled at me and told me to have you move and i took up for you i didn't even know
07:52:56.660
you so please pipe down yeah you couldn't bring your is the evening going on like the
07:53:05.380
fuck so his sin was that he ate his food outside no no his sin was he sat at my hostess stand after
07:53:12.900
i told him multiple times to move and not sit at my hostess stand yeah right at least he admits
07:53:19.460
it happened so you know i'm not lying thank you thank you let's uh okay i'm dating easier you know
07:53:30.660
dating why am i still drinking this wait amanda hold on okay i'm moving i'm moving on to the next
07:53:38.820
amanda the statement so getting late laid is easier for women you disagree with that statement
07:53:45.380
and also maria you also disagree with that statement i mean i think i have like a lot of
07:53:52.260
guy friends that don't have the easiest time and a lot of girlfriends that don't have any the
07:53:56.740
easiest time i think it's just really circumstantial based on like a person's own like game like some
07:54:04.180
people have it easier it doesn't matter if they're a guy or a girl and some people just have a harder
07:54:08.900
time with it no well so if you took one of your random guy friends one of your random girlfriends
07:54:14.500
just any of them i don't i don't even think it matters and you had them walk down the street
07:54:18.900
with a sign that said hey i will uh sleep with any of you who stop right now in your car which which
07:54:24.580
one the guy or the girl do you think more people would stop for i mean probably pretty equal no
07:54:31.940
i really don't really if a girl stop if a girl stop if a girl's standing on the road more guys would
07:54:38.260
stand if a guy standing wait for girls i will literally pay to watch this experiment i will take one of
07:54:43.540
your guy friends one of your girlfriends not equal hand them both a sign whoever stops right now will
07:54:49.460
sleep together something like this really you really think well i'm not sure you know it could
07:54:56.500
it could just kind of i mean come on i don't know people are crazy i know it's not people crazy nobody
07:55:02.180
all the women gonna drive through and the men stop because they want to have sex with the woman
07:55:06.580
we've done this like the experiment's been done didn't they just have 100 guys show up to plow some
07:55:10.980
fucking look at the bonnie bonnie like bonnie the porn star she advertised she have men father
07:55:16.820
cousin son everybody come you think if a man do it woman will come no i mean
07:55:28.100
no it's not possible come on wait watch we'll do this experiment well all of y'all are in
07:55:32.660
fucking relationships um aren't you right i'm not in a relationship but defense what you want
07:55:38.500
very committed here thank you um here i'll test this out right now after the show would you like to
07:55:48.180
have sexual intercourse with me i don't know you well enough so
07:55:52.740
girl you know damn well you wouldn't put this man don't be politically correct you would not
07:56:01.300
hey maybe she's attracted to my talk you i'm attracted to personality you said you don't know
07:56:06.740
him well enough we've been debating for four hours you know him very well and you know that you would
07:56:11.300
not sleep with this man just be honest kiko you know you could no like no you could just not jump
07:56:17.780
in every time somebody else is dying that'd be really great thank you kiko that's what you pay
07:56:21.380
me for brian i don't you have an ad with my face saying you'd pay every woman to come on here for
07:56:27.380
money so i don't i don't have to be quiet about that it's i get asked about about seven times a day
07:56:33.060
so you get what you have an ad that pops up on everyone's social media that lives here that says
07:56:38.980
three hundred dollars to be on the whatever podcast and it's my fucking face first so i get
07:56:42.900
asked about it every day so am i leaving here three hundred dollars richer because like you
07:56:47.860
fucking post it that would help pay for the hotel that i got you literally have it as a posted ad
07:56:53.860
it's nothing very strong word brian it's a literally posted word it's a poll the
07:56:57.940
fuck does that have to do with the conversation at hand because you told me whatever fucking retard
07:57:03.140
oh brian i thought we weren't supposed to use that word brian yeah let's that's on the
07:57:09.220
instructions don't you please please we can do her back and forth but don't fucking say that to me
07:57:14.820
because that's very disrespectful and i don't i don't do that to you you're the one being disrespectful
07:57:19.140
bro cool thank you for that thanks for the pizza i mean you gotta fucking stay for the rest of the
07:57:25.860
show i'm sorry not sure what to tell you actually i agreed until midnight and it's 12 57 so yeah but
07:57:32.020
you got your you did your little fucking pizza interruption and you've been interrupting the whole
07:57:35.540
fucking thing take it to court then ryan don't call me a fucking retard i'll do all your entertainment
07:57:40.100
purposes and now you take it to actually no because i'm not going to rage quit so i don't have to deal
07:57:44.420
with this on my social media for the next six months let's go about five more minutes i told you
07:57:49.540
midnight and it's actually one in the morning yeah and you interrupted the show by having to do a
07:57:53.380
fucking uh a fucking pizza intermission which i literally told me to and ate about five slices
07:58:01.780
are you really stressed about it how is that relevant at all he did bring me a really small
07:58:07.460
piece i'm just you got another one didn't you i did but i had to get it myself i had to get up myself
07:58:13.300
i tried what a travesty yeah i tried i tried to support this perfectly good woman around and you
07:58:18.260
gotta get your fucking pizza what kind of shit but don't don't start calling me a retard because
07:58:23.220
now you're getting wild and you know better than that because you apologize you've been
07:58:26.500
fucking no feral the entire show i have not yeah i have not yeah you just call my
07:58:32.660
fucking security guard ghetto you're wearing a wife beater as at your job that's pretty ghetto
07:58:37.940
that's pretty ghetto like what do you mean what is the one yeah just the word was on the list of things
07:58:43.540
not to say my feeder ghetto no oh it was on the thing i was just trying i wasn't even actually i was
07:58:49.940
just trying to have like a little like the show today thing with you i wasn't even against you
07:58:54.820
but my god you've been feral too me yeah i know i've all been feral i've been great i just ate your
07:59:03.540
shit all night i feel like i feel like you've been feral too you don't you don't have self-absorbed
07:59:08.260
andrew's he's like a failed guy but you can't take him i've been on my best behavior tell him i
07:59:13.780
haven't been no you're not no you're not yes you treated me like the whole evening bullied me and i
07:59:19.220
shut my mouth bullied you you're cry bully that's cry bullying listen i've dealt with people way way
07:59:25.860
stronger than you so i don't care i'm not i'm not it's still you're still cry bullying no i'm not
07:59:30.340
crying i'm just giving you a mirror to your face because you think you don't have any accountability
07:59:34.580
of who you are yeah who i am so what i respect you for your views because i think you're smart so i
07:59:40.100
make cogent points and you do stupid but no i'm not doing anything no no i don't do anything stupid
07:59:45.700
honey i'm not stupid okay second box of rocks what are you talking about i'm not still whoever told you
07:59:50.980
you were smart because they were lying to you okay they can stay in your lane you are the smarter
07:59:55.860
are you yes i know you're just an insecure guy that like to bully oh my god you're like 90 years
08:00:00.820
old crib keeper calm down okay yeah you think yeah you're married with somebody who's 10 years
08:00:05.700
older than you you're telling me there's not 10 years older than me you're 10 years older than
08:00:09.620
me your wife is the 47 and she's not 10 she's not even close to 10 years old she said she said on
08:00:17.140
the show she's 47 oh my god you don't even know what you're talking about okay you're just making
08:00:20.900
it up no i'm not making it up i saw her it's more it's she told me you should get better idf
08:00:25.860
intelligence okay you should get i don't listen i don't care i'm not even trying to argue with you
08:00:30.980
just you have the right to say to everybody everything and put them down and when somebody
08:00:35.300
says something to you you're like a cry baby take accountability be a man come on god you you
08:00:40.020
talk you you advocate you advocate for a man all day long and then you act like a simp how much
08:00:45.540
surgery have you had on your face it doesn't matter it's not in your along with your along with
08:00:49.380
it's not in your lips all right listen brian it's by the way can we talk about can we talk
08:00:54.260
about your con artist dating no no hold on can we talk about your con artist dating stop stop your
08:00:58.900
con artist yeah your con artist dating service can we talk about that yeah yeah don't you have a
08:01:03.380
con artist dating service isn't that you what are the service are you sure yeah 100 show both of you
08:01:09.460
be quiet i don't date anybody let's try to get the show over with i'm trying to wrap it here very
08:01:14.420
happy to hear what you're trying to wrap the show very soon so both of you just drop it okay both of
08:01:19.780
you drop it uh all right so brian i'm not trying to argue with him i have a lot of respect for this
08:01:25.380
man and i'm just no no no stop wait i want to say something stop why are you shutting my mouth
08:01:31.380
i think are you bro no i'm trying to move it on i'm literally trying to move it on just stop
08:01:37.140
just fucking stop holy andrew said he would stop you got to stop too no but he's making
08:01:42.580
up stop no no no it's really simple be quiet both of you be quiet no this is outrageous what he just
08:01:49.300
said he mistook you for some some other dating thing whatever i'm not a whore i'm not a whore and
08:01:58.100
i don't have this no take it back what that's not what he was saying you don't listen to it go
08:02:04.500
back in there he said something about like a dating yeah i don't have any no i don't have
08:02:08.820
a dating company i don't have that thing and if i have that i want to prove a matchmaking company no
08:02:14.820
i don't have it yeah he thought he was he thought he was like i'm not a pimp that somebody would
08:02:21.060
compare me to a pimp i don't have that i'm against this stuff i'm not a liar you can't keep him out too
08:02:27.620
if she made a false claim to be real i have a son he's saying something like that on the streaming are
08:02:32.340
you crazy it's like i say that you are pimping girls how would you feel did he say did he say
08:02:36.420
yeah did you hear what he said he said some con artist i'm a con artist game a gay uh whatever
08:02:42.420
or dating uh something i don't have that this is really insulting i actually look up to him but since
08:02:47.860
i got here she saw it everybody saw he treated me like a piece of shit and put me down
08:02:51.940
we have the same point of views this is not acceptable
08:03:00.340
if he's so smart he wouldn't talk to a woman like that
08:03:04.420
yeah he mistook you for somebody else no he's not mistaken he said you had a matchmaking service
08:03:07.940
i don't have a matchmaking service because i'm not a pimp and i don't have that thing okay cool
08:03:11.780
so he was he was mistaken big deal i tolerate me that's pretty big deal it is it is a big deal
08:03:17.540
because it's my reputation and i'm alive and i'm alive when you're streaming people could mistake me
08:03:22.980
and start having rumors about me that are not true yeah no i get what you're obsessed okay
08:03:28.660
my original business can get hurt that's cool he was mistaken yeah and he should have said he was
08:03:33.620
wrong he's drunk and he's putting taking all his shit on me because they think i'm the weakest
08:03:37.460
person in the world when i'm not i'm just giving respect because i grew up respecting men but i'm not
08:03:42.900
a person to be step on pop up reach clock that t sus just kidding all right are we done nope all
08:03:53.140
right well i'm about to be this is really outrageous because i i can't believe i'm even still sitting
08:03:57.300
here we have to do the uh roast session then we wrap the show we already did like three yeah but
08:04:04.420
we're doing the roast session uh okay as if i haven't been roasted enough tonight
08:04:10.580
uh we need to you know what we're probably just gonna have to uh skip most of the rest of the uh
08:04:16.500
questionnaire but the point stands on this whole getting laid is easier for women thing i was going
08:04:22.100
around the table on this but this is this is probably not the appropriate time to even attempt
08:04:27.460
this experiment but fuck it why not uh after the show would you like to have sex with me nope
08:04:33.300
point proven it's really harder for men to get laid than women boom you guys lost the argument
08:04:44.100
relationship relationship that is true but she is a shaman and single so and if i can't get it
08:04:51.860
in with a shaman then i'm shit out of luck i'm gonna be a forever alone i
08:04:59.540
with that attitude no kidding laughing hiding secret laugh giggle
08:05:10.980
cool good talk good talk all right well uh let's see here oh we have techno trooper okay
08:05:18.740
techno trooper donated 200 men have been on the decline what role does the fact that 40 of
08:05:26.420
men feel financially unprepared for relationships play in their decision to remain single will men's
08:05:32.500
struggle continue in 2025 it's gonna get worse probably that was actually a real ass statement and
08:05:41.220
i get that i do understand that all right thank you techno trooper i do appreciate it all right we're gonna
08:05:48.900
do a uh a uh a roast and then we're gonna wrap the show so we're gonna make just for the sake of time
08:05:56.660
the roast is going to be set we're gonna do uh 29 29.99 god damn
08:06:05.140
let it rip crucible let it rip all right we're gonna let me change that okay guys uh also while we're doing
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that guys 29 roast session 29 29.99 29.99 roast we're gonna do that uh hold on let me get that all
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set any final thoughts from any of the panelists before we get into the roast session speak now
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forever hold your p any what shout out to that british kid i think your name was mirage or rajaj or
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something like that you were from you were visiting with your family in santa barbara from britain i told
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you i would shout you out so shout out to you kid i forgot your name though i'm sorry
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kiko i promise so disappointed in you kiko yeah one thing i asked you for one i know it was like mirage
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or rajaj or something like that i'm so sorry kid but i promised you i would he's like 15 bro like
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i you literally remind me he's watching this yes he stopped me on the street
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and i was like with his family though and they weren't even concerned and i was like
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you remind me of one of my older sisters yeah yeah it's like hypnotizing like how much you
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remind me of her yeah yeah i hope in a good way i know it's like a home feeling that you kind of
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me yeah i'm a tough love type okay i haven't seen her in like three years so yeah how come um they
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they live in a different state and i work out here so traveling is not hard yeah i hope to get
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i hope you get to see her soon thank you any other dating related final thoughts from any of the panelists
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love my boyfriend shout out j i won't say your full name love you i gotta shout nikki out because i know
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you're watching i love you all right shout out that one guy that made that comment whoa
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wait the lightsaber guy yeah the lightsaber guy no yeah yeah i want to show we've been friends for
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as long as i lived here oh okay different i thought you were shouting out a random man
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dating related no fucking shout outs no she did she did i know i'm saying and he supported he
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supported and she was i know but i'm saying dating related questions or thoughts any final thoughts
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yeah i want to can i can i shout out someone did you what wait repeat back to me no no no repeat back
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to me what i just said dating related so i asked if i can say something i understood it's language brian
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like what what did you mean maybe i got it wrong he because he was saying no more shout outs and you
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were saying can i shout out someone dating so it sounded like you didn't understand i didn't
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it's just it's i didn't it's a dialect thing that's why we i feel like we're all grown enough to
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understand that it's no i didn't understand yeah i didn't understand and i can see that clearly i
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thought he said continue just about love i can tell it's not ill-intented i'll tell you that thank
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hello your guys's preferences on what like your type
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i really i i okay so like what what drew you into your boyfriend like what was that
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thing that caught your eye like what was your favorite thing like one of your preferences like
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yeah that man got that nothing like that that's why i can't even say i have a preference because
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if you go through my roster like my my spreadsheet it's all different it's about like once i'm actually
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in it yeah right right that he was a dominant he was kind of a dominant male i'll say that was
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like the main thing is i could tell you had confidence okay so i don't really have a type
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i just like if we vibe personality wise um then i could see myself sleeping with you basically um
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i guess just like kind and considerate and not an asshole i guess kindness is huge for me
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like giving kindness or like just like the kindness like a kind-hearted person okay okay
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how about you shaman i don't have a type really you don't have any preferences like if you went to go
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have like a like a romantic relationship with someone would like what was that one thing you
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want that person to be or have quality wise or personality i mean none of the men that have been in
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my life have been there because i've sought them they somehow found me and i just ended up in
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situationships that turned out more than it should have been oh i got that yeah so and i just love
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people period so like my ex he's bipolar and he's a stalker now and somehow i still ended up loving him
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so literally i don't have a type me too girly real shit yeah that's not really bad but yeah my
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preferences i like assholes but not assholes to me i like them to be more and very nice to me but
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very mean to the public yeah so public eye classic bad boy yeah but like not the bad boy it's just
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basically where i would i would be like what's a good situation i would be in for example like
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he's nice to me but to the public eye yes like public eye he'll be like uh let's say for example we
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were at the yeah we were hanging out with our friends and a girl was like um hey can i have
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can i try your food he's like the fuck no go buy your own like that's like no one of the dick to
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the public but yeah so that's why i like mine to be like nice to me but i don't even like that but i
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always find them yeah i don't know but i like that's i personally like what i find it more attractive
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and men and women so so what's yours yeah i'd say kind too family oriented was a big one for my
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boyfriend i like leaders a man that is very very strong and unbreakable mentally a leader that can
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read the situation and somebody who barely speaks and nobody know nothing about him it's really
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attractive to me like especially like uh fbi agent almost out of secret service cii yeah this is my
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favorite guys yeah private so andrew like private you like privacy yeah what draw you to rachel
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oh wait you you know no it was years ago that she would be a slave you know
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you know how it goes your wife is very funny actually no she is funny i'll see her interact she's
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funny she's definitely like a strong-minded woman i can definitely i get it we love she's definitely
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very independent we love you rachel i'll support all right i'm gonna let the uh chat i can guarantee
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you though she probably hates me but she doesn't just doesn't love anybody or i can just and that's
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okay because we don't care about what is receiving we're looking for nothing i was just literally
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basing if she wants to be a better yeah i was really just basing on how what kind of we will
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still love her regardless the persona that she was giving me when i did talk to her through the
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screen that's what she was giving me like i know if she chooses to have that hate in her heart
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yeah like but she's also she's a lot i said i was joking calm down calm down but she is
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she's an older she is an older woman and a very opinionated woman real she very much is so i'm
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strong like that's what i mean by she's very strong-minded like she is and that's like why she can
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literally i'm she probably doesn't even like i love that she doesn't like she's probably looking
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through the screen like these fucking girls are so stupid you know what i mean so like i don't give
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her like i'm not gonna give i'm not gonna hold that i'm not gonna hold her to it yes i'm 23 i'm
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freaking stupid i'm still learning so yeah i'm not gonna take it personally let the roast go in uh
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why don't we do the patrice clip let's do the patrice clip final show of the year it's a classic we'll do
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it and then we'll let the roast come in then we'll wrap go ahead and then i'm gonna have you pause it at a
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point so but you'll yeah go ahead let me ask you a question here's a question pay attention serious
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question okay ladies if you didn't have a vagina like say it was a terrible train accident right
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and the doctor was like we have to remove your right away or you're gonna die
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how would you keep your man past you get a two-month guilty i can't leave the
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bitch right away because you just lost the pussy in the train accident
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how would you keep your man past that if you didn't have a vagina pause it i have a quick i
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have contender no going around the table go ahead i mean before that it would be off limits but i got
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another hole oh my god i got two other yeah um uh well i mean my boyfriend he's very like
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he's like my hands enough but um he's that type of person two other holes yeah okay one two oh
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one two sorry can you do that gesture again but i don't know one two three got it okay yeah i mean
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yeah you make it work with what you still have yeah okay maria same and also could they cut a relationship
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up you'd let him okay sorry you're nowhere you're getting close to that down there but you can i can
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definitely i can learn how to use this better definitely so i'm saying why did you react an
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accent to say that better because i was like trying to like say like the whole booty hole thing you know
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one hey pre-accident never but i would make a compromise for my man if i lost access i wouldn't
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hey it's not that bad what about you into the mic i don't know i don't know if i can't
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okay you wait would just answer the question i don't know we'd have to talk about it god bro what
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if you had not had eaten breakfast today how would you feel hungry that was great i'm sorry
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she did the research bro that was a great answer all right uh sheena what about you i would release
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him and say go find another woman because i cannot give you what you want honestly i would just release
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him i will not torture him being with you with no vagina sorry okay uh play the rest yeah
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asshole okay great you see what i'm saying now i've been getting pussy bean the whole show right
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but i give women the opportunity to say i want to make myself worth more but you just classified
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yourself as a series of holes but but you know i'm i'm supposed to teach you special but you're just a
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bunch of holes for yourself no one said learn how to play xbox learn how to play pool tell better
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stories get another that got a pussy to come on in it's not reality well look whatever
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he won that one yeah you guys kind of he ate that you guys but like he made it sexual
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we're gonna go into it sexually sorry would it not be if i expected my man to never feel flesh
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again on his pp that's messed up like if we if there was a difference like oh you had a training
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accident and you were like you were paralyzed how would you like how would you like you know
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i mean like if it was it less sexualized we would respond less sexualized in my opinion if your
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dick got cut off i don't think there's anything wrong with how would you
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respond it brian especially how he asked the question and how he started the question brian
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because people will automatically think if your dick got cut off by a train
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how would you leading everyone into that please your wife it's a trap like half of the questions
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on this podcast if you got your dick got cut off and you had a vagina now how are you going to
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pleasure your wife it's not the question the question is what would you do well that he asked
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what would you do to keep your man and i'm saying okay so what would you do to keep your
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wife if your dick got chopped off tomorrow and you were married what would you do to keep your
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wife or plea or whatever god explaining to her that she's going to hell if she leaves
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that's what i'll do this is the type of brain so that's what i should do that only here i know it's
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a joke literally it's a joke but anyway no i think that people people have higher duties right again
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they have higher duties like you you don't leave your wife because she's in a tragic accident that's
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what marriage is for but you do leave your girlfriend well i mean sure i guess i mean i
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was gonna i was gonna agree to be honest i mean honest well the thing is that's different than a
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wife exactly that's why i said it donation to cause an argument but it was entertaining regardless
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not surprising as it came on the same day that kiko is on the panel w kiko w brian w andrew thank you
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who are you kiki thank you man kiki vector donated thirty dollars brian andrew has invisible white
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specs on his microphone i think kiko put them there i think she loves that it bothers you and that turns
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her on what the fuck i i actually lost the top lady white matter donated thirty dollars yep merry
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christmas you filthy animals did he just whatever in crucible w's all around seriously out of
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everything tonight really a six you think you're above average and a happy new year and a happy and a
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happy fucking new year happy new year you filthy animals that was good that was a good impression
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uh hold on one sec uh we have jimmy shniko zero four donated thirty dollars brian if you ever decide to
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have shay back the feral girl next to andrew can you please put up a shot clock so we don't have to
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listen to her screech rambling way to end on a high blood pressure
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tally donated thirty dollars and sixty nine thank you tally no respectable man wants to marry the
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communal fleshlight but there will always be a simp that will body count matters lots of transference
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from past relationships don't race to the bottom well put tally thank you man cho xd donated thirty
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dollars chino the problem is not that the things you say are always wrong the problem which drives andrew
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crazy is that you don't understand how to engage with digins who don't share your world view
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it's true no comment from me yeah it's about you too oh it's mostly yeah yeah i don't know i've
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already said what i have to say okay it's not necessarily right wrongful rage donated 29
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dollars first none of you were abused none of you were even harmed my jokes were jokes if they hurt
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its cause you felt the sting of truth within my bad not one step back crucible crew
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thirty dollars brian slash andrew fake christians not a christian dating related comments the whole
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podcast is an evangelical misogynist power trip session dot let's watch brian fume because the
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girls are controlling the show doesn't seem like he's fuming about it i don't think we controlled
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the show but there's like there's a couple of very strange things there which is like one brian's not
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a christian you're christian yeah brian what are you oh you're catholic well that's christian i
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know but i thought like but what i'm not orthodox orthodox he's andrew's orthodox no what is brian what
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are you nothing what bro brian has no religion he's got the jewish nose but i don't know what
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fuck i'm joking she can say that she's just probably bad idf intel once if i were to become
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religious i would be leaning towards christianity which denomination yeah that's fair uh i don't know
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to be honest um probably orthodox is pretty orthodoxy orthodoxy orthodox is dope no orthodox
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orthodoxism catholics are not are you catholic technically yes technically yeah but you don't
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believe in any of the catholic canons i do and i'm trying to understand more talking about the t's
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and the l's and the g's and the b's what did i say about it yeah no it's not canonical but just
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because of what the bible says doesn't mean and what people have the freedom to do this panel was
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so bad you should both be able to claim the time as a tax-deductible
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charity donation you've both earned your great happy holiday season and see you on the return
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i can typically only handle one person who drives me insane per show but um yeah
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daniel nosseri donated thirty dollars congrats on an end of year pod to top off a glorious year
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of belligerent lunacy and female retardation fellas we are all the more stupid listening to this utter bs
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merry christmas brian and andrew merry christmas man uh thank you uh daniel nassiri do appreciate it
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wishing the whatever and crucible family a very merry christmas and happy new year
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godspeed and safe travels all right uh otis strutwood donated thirty dollars c1 you talk too fast your brain
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least she would want her son to date congrats crew crew and whatever for a big year thank you
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boy for holding it down the last year and a half with so many brain dead folk brian your patience is
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impeccable bravo sir thank you though w crucible w whatever yeah thank you beaten cheeks all right
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there's still more coming through deal with it edgirgins donated twenty nine dollars and ninety nine
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cents merry christmas to all christ is god christ is god here's to a wildly successful and happy 2025
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seriously even for the incredibly nasty and truly awful kiko woman who makes everyone's skin crawl
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danny boy donated thirty dollars kiko definitely was hot and cold care two took a brunt of the insults
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respect to the shaman and i'm rooting for dark avia to co-host 2025 and esso to poor chinor andrew is
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always great as is brian in cell christian's virgin donated thirty dollars brian if you're not christian
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then what's her body count why what would whether i'm christian or not have anything to do with whether
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i would reveal what the body count is i just don't that doesn't even make sense yeah he uses the secular
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ethics of my preference and brian my preference is not to reveal my body count precisely i feel like
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you shouldn't be asking the question that you're not willing to answer why not but it's his preference
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that he asked that question yeah okay i love that i just think it's weird that's stupid why why would
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that be weird i just think it's weird you shouldn't you shouldn't ask questions that you're not
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comfortable answering why not what's what's wrong with that that's weird yeah besides just saying
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it's weird what's actually the issue with it why are you asking people questions that you're
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mic to the edge of the table why are you asking people questions that you're uncomfortable answering
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yourself i don't understand what's wrong with that that's that's weird am i a hypocrite like
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what's the actual like i don't think it's it's not hypocrisy but it's weird it's a word in our
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dictionary that i could use and it's fucking weird i think it's super weird if you say body
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count doesn't matter to not reveal yours whereas brian says body count does matter and then doesn't
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reveal his i that's the opposite of weird that's consistent talk to them because i i agree so you're
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you're preaching well then what are you bitching about because if he's that's not the question
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yeah if he were i also agree that that's that is to be an issue right yeah that's not what i'm saying
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i'm saying if he wants to ask the question yeah then he should be able to answer the question
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he asked the question to all of us no matter what we believe if body count matters or not but
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he asked the question based on the fact that women think it either does matter or doesn't matter that's
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not how he prefaces it he just he just asks us what's our body sure he doesn't ask any of you at
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any time have said well i'm i'm not going to reveal that because i think it matters well some of us
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didn't he says that that's not right and he usually hard presses us to answer no what's the hard
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press two dollar bill she didn't answer and he didn't hard press i've been on this podcast so
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many times and he literally when i don't usually today he was not that bad about it but usually
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when i don't want to answer he tucks six on it for about 30 minutes because you said it didn't matter
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no i didn't not true yes originally when you answered this question hold on you said it shouldn't
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matter and you've you've been on the show like what 70 times or something like that every week
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something if if you've heard the body count question every single time you're on the show
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i might be like give offer like five seconds of pushback if a girl refuses to answer but i usually
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just i move it on immediately and usually it's based around it's usually based around you're a liar
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it's usually based around the fact of looking at if it's not a big deal the whole point of the question
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is to say if it's not a big deal then why not reveal it and if you don't want to reveal it then
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obviously you think it's a big deal that's the whole point of the question right it's just it's
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just a basic logic but she didn't know but she said she wasn't answering the question because
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she had a boyfriend that was between him and her but he usually just asks the question he doesn't
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preface but think about if you don't want if you don't agree with these things you don't have to
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answer he would just ask us all and when girls would refuse to answer he would usually hard press
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on them and what was the hard press to 15 minutes why can't you tell us your party count what's wrong
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why can't you tell us why can't you exactly they would just say i don't want to he didn't ask these
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questions he had no idea what they believed or not he's asking them why why don't you want to
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because it's they would say it's something i don't want to share yeah but why because it's something
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they don't want to start a whole they don't need to answer that if i don't want to answer a question
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i don't have to answer the question just because he doesn't want to answer it then like
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if you want to ask me a question that i you can't answer yourself okay it's not that serious
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you ever dealt with a kid many you ever you have have you ever told them something and they're like
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why and you have to explain i'm not a child yeah that's not what i i didn't say you were a child
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but like i'm not a child but that does it have to do with anything terrible analogy because it has
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nothing to do with are there more talking to yes right let's get it please thank you for getting
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back to the topic thank you for reminding me what was actually important here which is getting the
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swiss cheese david donated thirty dollars i don't know how you guys do it do you freeze your heads
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before every show my ears would be bleeding merry christmas everybody merry christmas bro
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thank you man carcassette donated thirty dollars first time donno long time watch a big fan and
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lexi what color crystal you want lexi what color crystal lexi oh um i'm feeling blue blue you're
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going with the blue there it is there it is wrong from rage donated twenty nine dollars
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just to keep kiko a minute longer cry more merry christmas and happy new year
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joe xd donated thirty dollars speaking of w brian w andrew on a serious note thank you so much
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andrew for helping me to grow as a debater amongst my peers and family and bringing closer to faith
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again for the ladies crystals all around yeah it is yeah until christmas speaking of which guys you
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you want to pull it up verbal combat guys it's what how many hours why didn't i hang on i didn't catch
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that what did you say i said influence because y'all were saying how you didn't don't really have
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influence and then that that would be influence oh no for for sure we're influencers that doesn't mean
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that you have influence above the what we were comparing which was colleges it was a joke oh and
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it was a bad one but anyway so so over to this to verbal combat you can pick it up it's still on sale
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idiots pop off why would that why you guys not you guys why would they be stupid kiko you haven't
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been in a debate so if you want to learn how to insert your way and i guarantee you no one who bought
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that is going and debating they're sitting in their rooms watching this tons of them are debating right
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now they're debating by paying thirty dollars to speak that's 30 no no they go on shows on youtube
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and fucking debate oh would you like me to give you the channel names here let me give them to you
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no no i'm not wait that's really weird though i thought that they didn't exist
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now they exist wait are they like live yeah we're ready for the next roast actually
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um i'm saying it's gonna take them three years so guys it's uh hold on yeah i mean how much do you
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how many years do you think it takes your employer to make his money back on you on a slow night
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two minutes yeah i'm a bartender yeah sure okay but for you somehow for your employer
08:33:55.620
you think that baked into that is that he can make his money back on a slow night but you don't think
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for some reason that if somebody goes and they buy a debate course like this they can't make their
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money back i'm not saying they can't but i'm saying the average won't yeah the average bartender
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sucks what's your point no the average bartender is probably making a decent amount that doesn't mean
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they don't suck i didn't say anything about sucking i don't think i ever that's literally
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what your word was oh sorry i'm saying they're not making their money back like university like
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you're you're enrolled in online university like you have college debt like have you spent tens of
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thousands of dollars on i have no debt yeah well how much did you spend on university me yeah nothing
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how much did your parents spend i don't know in any case i actually tend to agree with you
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who loves me very much you should you probably shouldn't get the course if you don't want it
08:34:43.940
there's no strong-arming here either get it because you want it or don't i was not insulting
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you guys at all really because you just said it was a total waste of money have you ever seen it
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they were dumb asses so that's what i said because that you okay what what what huh
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they're dumb asses why i know why wait why kiko are they dumb asses huh because they're spending
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five hundred dollars to learn how to debate for what yeah you should you should go in you should
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if you got the course maybe you wouldn't make such a fucking fool out of yourself on the show
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maybe maybe here we got we got another comment from this woman oh she said she said it's a sales
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tactic it is a sales tactic to offer discounts yes yeah but that's what a lot of online courses
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that's what you do realize yeah it's true you do realize that it was actually fully priced at 500
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for months and it's not like what was your way to promote that are you trying to like get a gotcha
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like there's something untoward i'm curious happening with the sales just promoted it on our channels
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yeah the truth is i only i didn't even want to lower it at all the only reason that i did is because
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we were going into thanksgiving and christmas a ton of people contacted me said i literally can't afford
08:35:56.980
it i was like okay well i'll give you this 30 day window when you when you were advertising
08:36:02.340
when you were advertising yeah that was very kind of me to do for my product is it like how long is
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no i agree very kind of me no discounts you should be spending money on their family instead of
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scrapping together 200 to buy a debate who disagrees that is up to them how long is the course but
08:36:17.780
just out of curiosity you should be spending money on your family instead of buying christmas
08:36:20.660
presents but anyway that is spending money just out of curiosity how are you how were you
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advertising the 500 before that just here's the debate course and here's the price that's it
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that's it so you weren't like oh this is discounted from a higher price oh no no fucking way no way it
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was always at 500 always now it's been discounted i'm sorry you know what let me correct 499
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no okay thank you so much no i'm kidding thank you so much for that clarification in any case guys it's
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debate university.com christmas is just around the corner so if you want to dominate your liberal
08:36:56.020
family members at the dinner table you can go to debate university.com and if you want to learn how
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so if you want to learn how to become a master debater like andrew uh you can get the course verbal
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combat six hours 80 plus different educational videos debate university.com uh there's a few more
08:37:14.820
chats coming in but fuck it why don't we do a couple kiko why did you waste your money on pizza
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the night when he could have been spending it on your family because i needed to eat no also guys
08:37:24.260
and i'm not going to feed myself without feeding everyone who's around me that's cool so pizza that's
08:37:28.500
awesome guys if you're playing world of warcraft classic anniversary realms my character my character
08:37:36.500
is named brixton on horde night slayer mail me if you want to mail me mail me like hook it up with some
08:37:42.980
some potions and some hook it up some potions and gold okay and then we do need to shout the twitch
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discord we'll let the rest of the chats come in and then we are good uh guys go to before we wrap the
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show here guys in just a moment drop us a follow and a prime sub final prime sub over there on the
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twitch 98 000 brian 98 000 so close to 10k but you know we'll get it next year 100k or yeah my bad 100k
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guys check if you have a prime sub available drop us a prime sub if you have one drop us a follow too
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we'd really appreciate it guys and then also check out our discord discord.gg slash whatever that is uh
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available we'll be out here in just a sec uh guys that is available discord.gg
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slash whatever be sure to join we're going to post all the bts
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chat yo guys last show we had this like four ten four foot ten krav maga baddie she tried to rear
08:38:41.140
naked choke eric who's like six foot five like did not work out well for her did not work out so we
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got the security camera uh angle which shows like kind of a better angle than what was shown on the
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show if you want to check that out and then uh yeah okay we're all caught up there guys like the
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video final call on the tts is coming through if you want we're going to let the rest come
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through oh i might have missed shit okay bluff is donated thirty dollars kiko body count is just
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a number really and dades is just some letters jail is just a place normally i'd say you're a complete
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idiot but i can clearly see some pieces are missing andrew needs whiskey donated thirty dollars dark clay
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view is the mini version of kiko before she found a man to put her in her place he's worked progress on
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that women i've always been the same random bear donated thirty dollars how come no one asks me who i
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want in my forest but thanks to these digins guess i won't stuff merry christmas to all thanks for an
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entertaining year w brian w andrew jay donated thirty dollars merry christmas all the way from the
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official christmas capital of the world finland i know you all secretly hate each other but can we
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still get a group hug at the end of the final show no i don't hate any goat bricks and donated 29
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dollars and 99 cents kiko says there is no one over god for her but she's a bisexual pro-trans
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sex positive feminist the jokes write themselves yeah pretty anti-catholic
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daniel nostri donated god is king thank you i love this work concept of weird weird in the same way
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that tim waltz condemns jd vance all the while putting tampon machines in all minnesota mail bathrooms
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for men to stuff up their butts what do you mean that thirty dollars on weird correctly you were
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wrong no he didn't kiko you i before e except after the white not for weird it's an exception
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it's w-e-i don't convince anyone you are really i promise are you sure yes are you sure
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are you positive holy shit how come it sounded like true
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you didn't hear how he said it someone called john hammond i'm giving a bottle of vodka up to warn
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you all make it tito's please wrongful rage donated 29 that's weird kiko mad female bartenders
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are notoriously 300 and force with shady morals i speak from experience to kiko i know some bartenders
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that are whores but i've never slept with the patreon that's weird and donated 30 dollars
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brixen cheer up buddy it's almost over you definitely deserve the vacation andrew i wish
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more people listened to your ideas god bless you brother all these women are completely insufferable
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all of them are not thaw donated 30 dollars do you know why asian kids don't believe in santa
08:41:50.660
claws cause they're the ones that makes the toys oh no they're more self-aware than these women
08:41:56.660
merry christmas and happy new year's whatever crew that's weird with an i before the donated
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30 dollars am i wrong andrew but you guys only created debate university because we asked you to
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yeah that's true it was no shit on andrew wait i'm just saying you're
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um what do you guys think about this so those were some roasts there we were gonna try to do this
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segment where we review the hate mail i've received so this is like the reverse of the
08:42:30.580
roast you guys get to see all the nasty messages we get for the year and about you they're definitely
08:42:36.820
about me trust me on that i want to see it how about this i don't know if we have time to show all
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of them because there's a fuck ton it's like two in the morning there's a fuck ton some of us have
08:42:49.540
a long drive and i have to drive almost two hours yeah otherwise i'd be super down and you know what
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maybe we just do like five five minutes oh i thought you said five hate mails five minutes i can do yeah
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five five all right we'll wrap the show with some hate mail all right and you guys can enjoy kiko you
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get to read them all right pull it up damien don't be weird kiko all right trash stop targeting
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women and minorities no girl ever wanted you it shows clown emoji you are a vile assist pig
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i did on purpose you're such a ussy why does andrew look like he has been hit in the forehead with an
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axe has he annoyed someone this much his annoyance is so distracting from his message
08:43:38.900
you're gonna have to click these your video of the debate i could have read it your video of
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the debate regarding older men debating younger women was disgusting you also always argue with
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the most left-wing people i'm a republican and i can say that is weird that's how you spell it
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no it's with an older people when older people date someone who is nowhere near their maturity level
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fuck you guys you are all assholes and i hope you all die in hell you ducking laughing at people for
08:44:10.340
fucking what you are all ducks and stupid ass pick me sons of bitches especially that white girl with
08:44:16.660
the oh sorry with the fake ass smile that bitch is the pick meest of all of you
08:44:22.340
fucking dicks next not you not this your podcast is disgusting your mask you're all you mask your
08:44:30.740
alt-right podcast is a college student podcast having clearly stupid college students debate ivy league
08:44:37.620
educated people on political issues why why don't you have a real debate that's even on both sides
08:44:43.220
you're giving conservatives like myself a bad look disgusting that's been used a lot as a traditional
08:44:50.020
republican i cannot support pig oh i don't support pigs like charlie kirk or andrew tate you're part of
08:44:56.660
the reason our party has a bad look you guys are the worst podcast i've ever fucking watched laughing
08:45:03.780
starting shit and attacking women for no good reason good job you degenerate
08:45:09.380
attacking what kiko woman attacking woman woman
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my point proven as i say it the exact same fucking way yeah i didn't see it
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you just proved my point so i just saw a clip of your podcast where a man on it is telling only fans
08:45:27.140
woman that if they wait only fans what women just okay that if you put their brain inside of a man's
08:45:33.620
body that the man would be in poverty you dumb ass motherfucker you are a fucking podcast if the
08:45:40.340
internet and misogynic men don't exist to listen to your podcast you would also be in poverty next
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oh my god this is the worst podcast i've ever seen in my life so completely misogynistic and
08:45:52.660
disrespectful towards women this is what like why is 34 year old disgusting man asking 19 year old
08:45:58.660
girls about duck size their body weight and their body count you talk nothing about relationships and
08:46:04.820
dating you are disgusting this 34 year old man should be talking to people his own age
08:46:10.820
about these things not fresh college girls he's also the most immature man i've ever seen yelling and
08:46:16.740
cussing out a young girl as she walks about the door as all while filing next huh yeah i don't i
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i can't even decide for that again this shouldn't be allowed to have a platform you it we just change
08:46:31.220
it if you want to read the rest i should i like check these usernames i might know people
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i'm like so focused on reading i'm like let me see no it's different
08:46:41.460
next all right next whatever next wait did we skip one or nope i feel like it's been
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nope that's the same one we just read you're sorry why all their names janelle you're a pathetic
08:46:54.100
virgin you shame woman because no one wants to date you and you take it out on the entire female
08:47:00.420
race next okay but there's so much wrong with what was just you're a fucking idiot
08:47:06.260
next shout out sophia sorry good job for feeding into incel ideology clock that team and creating a
08:47:13.780
safe space for people to ridicule and hate women women continue spreading the hate and misinformation
08:47:19.860
bestie wow hey brian i'm not famous but i have 7k followers on tick tock and would love to be on
08:47:28.020
your podcast i think you are disgusting and would love to join the discourse let me know a date and
08:47:33.780
i'll be there with all my college educated besties could maybe shine a light on your audience yes win
08:47:39.380
win well so and we'll let you read the rest every single one x out of this um every single girl who's
08:47:45.220
like asks who does like a little snarky comment and is like oh i want to come and debate you when i
08:47:51.300
even if they say the most vile shit i won't even sling any vile shit back i'll just extend to them a
08:47:57.380
polite invitation they're all intellectual cowards none of them like actually they're all it's all bark
08:48:03.780
no bite i invite all of them none of them agree to come do a debate pull it back up this one especially
08:48:10.100
chloe ropper hey watch multiple videos and wondering if you only have idiots and sex workers
08:48:17.620
on your that offends me chloe your bullshit would be so easy to debunk if you actually spoke to normal
08:48:25.460
working women but i'm sure you're too pussy for that convo please i'd love to have an actual
08:48:33.540
intelligent conversation for once we'd happily have you on to have this convo though most people who say
08:48:39.540
stuff like this don't have the courage to actually follow through trust me thank you you said trust
08:48:46.980
me i would destroy brian andrew but i live in atlanta georgia and will not spend my own funds to fly out
08:48:52.820
to california to completely own them and i offer to pay her pay the cost next
08:49:00.900
oh we've skipped no this is uh oh you want me start there yeah you can read this this is what are you
08:49:05.780
expected to learn with from combo conversations with sex workers and 18 to 22 year old girls
08:49:11.460
how is this not perpetuating hating women how slash why hating women helping and publicizing it to
08:49:17.220
society how do you think belittling women helps younger men also realistically both husband and
08:49:23.540
wives have to work in this economy so why is it the woman's responsibility to come home from a nine
08:49:28.020
to five and have to do all the housework brian has been rejected by women and has chose a path to
08:49:34.340
belittle and downgrade them as a career aka i betty at best beta at best will not be traveling to
08:49:40.260
california for this but a good list of topics to start with after calling me and andrew pussies
08:49:49.460
yeah so anyways whatever uh next oh i would take a free trip to california to drive i'm so
08:49:56.180
grace bruton you are disgraceful haha i have the best father in the world he's a ceo and he still has
08:50:03.060
enough empathy to support my mom oh she's british and my family other be occasional household chore
08:50:10.500
and it hasn't been so black and white for my family your whole channel is complete brain rot and
08:50:15.060
you're everything that is wrong with society moreover you're a sorry loser and weak and act like a little
08:50:20.100
bitch have fun knowing you're a little bitch she said beta sorry yeah same thing x she said beta x
08:50:28.500
wait kisses go ahead read it kisses hugs oh wait you're so ugly next boy seriously i want to share
08:50:37.940
something fake book had to protect your punk ass from my opinions about how fucking useless you truly are
08:50:44.820
i'm a male and well i'm saying you are really you really need what you really need is a good
08:50:52.820
throat twack twack british as well i don't know what does that mean you're all over dumbass american
08:50:58.900
these are all brewish or british tell me why tell me why we're women not allowed in wars because we
08:51:06.020
all know you don't i'm gonna come to this podcast and watch show all right that was for discord
08:51:11.620
out it was hate mail it was hate mail we received my best friend is jewish i would never read that
08:51:17.700
next it's been five minutes hold on we're gonna do three more we'll do three more it wasn't to you
08:51:21.300
it was just it was three more anti-semitic in general it was not solipsism okay sorry you didn't
08:51:28.420
put that in the it's not you making fun of women or making them feel uncomfortable doesn't make you
08:51:33.220
smart you're only craving views and you're a bad influence for the next generation i agree you're part of
08:51:38.260
the reason why we're seeing i hate it plus your ridiculous heart want to be on the show
08:51:43.940
yep all right one more one more this last one one more after this one okay the more i research your
08:51:49.620
podcast the more i realize you want women unprepared so you can bombard them why else would you invite a
08:51:55.540
stranger to speak without having an initial interview process first your channel actually
08:52:00.740
seems pretty dangerous for women and it seems most of you have a pretty strong disdain for women
08:52:05.620
any thoughts on that and then this one a vampire lord sydney watson said jesus
08:52:12.820
fuck please put some dissent or dissent some decent smart woman on the podcast
08:52:20.820
i implore whoever does this casting for the show want to be on the show smiley face
08:52:25.940
only if the assumption here is that i'm not a dumbass uh exile that let me just see what i wrote
08:52:30.180
there oh yeah so i mean she's basically talked like massive shit on multiple times on twitter and
08:52:35.700
whatnot but sydney watson is the biggest fucking debate coward on planet or she literally regardless
08:52:42.180
of the circumstances you could stack the entire deck in her favor give her the moderator she wants
08:52:48.500
give her the topic that she wants and she still won't do it she just likes to do the dm criticize yeah
08:52:54.500
that's watson for you yeah and like we invited her to come on the show to debate it and then
08:52:59.780
just refuses to and it's funny too though i want to say to you women sending these messages do what
08:53:06.340
you got to do but in half of them you did did did speak down to the women who were on here but i
08:53:12.660
guarantee you guys all are sitting at home thinking you would do so much better on here if you were here
08:53:18.500
but i guarantee once you were on here it would not go the way you imagined so you can speak
08:53:24.100
so do i i guarantee it too you can speak a big game from home and easily say oh i would do so much
08:53:29.780
better than her if i had that platform but i guarantee if you were on here you'd probably look
08:53:35.540
the exact same i can second this so yeah because i didn't think i was gonna lose my cool people all
08:53:40.900
the time think it's so fucking easy like they're gonna just walk up on here and say all the right
08:53:44.420
things it's so different once you're actually here it's i mean i think that yeah i mean it is
08:53:48.500
a fair point kiko certainly i think people when they're sitting in the comfort of their uh own
08:53:53.540
house yeah in their computer and they're pausing and thinking about what they want to say exactly
08:53:57.540
but then like when you're in the moment there's like people trying to get a word in there's the
08:54:02.020
bright lights there's the cameras there's heightened emotions 10 000 people watching
08:54:08.260
it's real easy to say what you would have said when you're sitting on your couch at home
08:54:11.460
but in any case to all the haters uh that's like only a fraction of all the hate messages
08:54:15.780
we like a tiny tiny fraction oh that you should read mine that thing goes on and on and on so
08:54:22.100
uh if you want it i'm gonna probably that was made private but i'm gonna re-release i'm gonna
08:54:27.700
re-release it so uh that'll be available discord.gg slash whatever be sure to sign up guys um let's
08:54:34.580
see we do no there's no other chance that came through give me one sec guys i'm gonna get this wrapped
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up here all right thank you guys for all the support uh wow okay 2024 quite the year uh guys
08:54:45.860
like the video please drop a like on the video all right let's uh get this uh no only fans girls on
08:54:52.580
the panel right nobody does only fans well that's okay cool it's rare all right gg oh wait i'm sorry
08:54:59.460
oh you guys want to remove your makeup no not with those old ass dudes i've been there for about
08:55:05.620
four fucking years i missed it we didn't do the makeup segment can i do it so i don't have to take
08:55:09.780
it off when i get on no it's okay um so anyways we we want to leave you with the makeup on just
08:55:17.620
i do want to say one thing which is merry christmas to the crucible crew and to the whatever
08:55:21.780
podcast thanks for the great year been a ton of great shows and um looking forward to 2025 yes yeah
08:55:29.540
so guys we are going to be taking a break for a couple weeks i don't have a return date yet minimum
08:55:35.860
i'm taking off as three weeks it could be i could take anywhere from three weeks minimum up to six weeks
08:55:43.860
so we're gonna see aiming to get back at some point in january mid to late january uh but i do want to
08:55:51.780
give a big thanks to the panel tonight thank you guys so much you guys were dope it was a it was a
08:55:58.180
long show it was a good show uh and it was also our final show so you guys did get to be on uh the
08:56:03.940
final show which is always a good one a lot of champagne pops a lot of great pizza i'll thank kiko for the uh
08:56:09.780
getting us food that was very kind of you kiko thank you very small piece of pizza very
08:56:15.380
i bought two boxes of pizza what else do you want for me and uh boxes since it is the final show i
08:56:22.100
just need to do a couple thanks here that i normally don't do just because it is the final show of the
08:56:27.300
year uh i want to give a big thanks to me yes i'll thank the panel again because it was a long show
08:56:35.940
thank you guys for being here for our final show of the year thank you again i want to thank
08:56:39.620
all the viewers uh we could not do this show if it was not for you guys so pretty much the the biggest
08:56:46.340
thanks i do have is to all of you who tune in and then everybody who also uh is incredibly uh remarkably
08:56:55.700
generous when it comes to your patronage uh this podcast is fan funded we uh most of the live streams
08:57:05.540
get demonetized uh could not do it without your guys's patronage and support i it it occurs to me
08:57:14.740
that you know we're not gonna be getting a spotify deal anytime soon we're not we're not gonna be we
08:57:20.420
don't get sponsorships like podcasts like who have even like a fraction of the viewership that we have
08:57:28.260
are getting like podcast or getting sponsorships that that they can live on we're not getting those
08:57:35.220
we talk about controversial topics so i appreciate those of you who have been so supportive uh the
08:57:41.700
past days weeks months and years some of you have been here a long time i recognize some of your names
08:57:46.820
in fact i do want to shout out some of the the top people here just really quick um just because you
08:57:52.660
you guys have been uh amazing this year um give me one sec while i get that pulled up guys just a
08:57:58.180
moment i do want to thank uh everybody that works for me desmond you're here damien you're here dark
08:58:03.780
avia she's kind of joining the team maybe you know she just started so uh but big thank you to uh
08:58:09.380
damien you've been fantastic desmond you're a legend really uh appreciate you guys and also shout
08:58:14.820
out to the people that uh you know shout out to madison shout out to nick they're no longer with us but
08:58:19.140
um nick and madison obviously were part of the team uh this year and uh also shout out to austin
08:58:25.620
thank you to austin um i do want to give a big thanks to you guys and let me see if i sorry guys
08:58:31.220
let me just see if i can see the the uh top people i can shout out super quick we'll do for the year
08:58:38.340
i want to thank uh grid one motorsports you are a legend i want to thank law paladins kill of cereal
08:58:45.700
just gerald nickelodeon giovanni c lol paladins again he he showed up twice for some reason lucas
08:58:52.260
ulysses the pagan doc vanables i'm so glad i'm not dating big sass energy bit blaster lp loose
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pussy energy fuck it jeremy dig big energy g gmd gym modest to comma noah are living devon jackson wrath
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techno trooper the bro naissance lulu that guy slingshot touch my blade walk walking roscoe
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hulk smashing the haters beaten cheeks mike davis truth bomb old man marine the legendary trash panda
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ben george hillary epstein uh what the fuck robert tanner libertariat rizzer roast joe murphy
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bender the offender chris warlord 69 uwu kill of cereal again desert joe wrongful rage meet the kaiser
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thank you guys so much curtis leone for the patriarchy brandon nicks pico steins thank you guys so much for
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your incredibly generous support in 2024 it's much appreciated uh 2024 been very crazy year very
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crazy year it's very stressful year so the break is much needed um 2024 in many ways was more chaotic
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and difficult than 2023 um threats of lawsuits people trying to come cancel andrew people trying to cancel
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me um um fucking haters online all this shit way crazier i i thought 2023 was crazy trust me 2024 was
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like intense here's to a 2025 hopefully 2025 is a little more chill so um i'm trying to oh i want to
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thank my moderators thank you guys who help uh the volunteers who help uh nemesis i i apologize i'm
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super tired and still kind of drunk and trying to get people out of here uh nemesis all the all the
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other moderators i want to thank everybody who helps me with all the editing and all the clips
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uh you guys know who you are i want to thank uh kathleen with the time stamps what up final time
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stamps of the year thank you kathleen uh i want to thank uh lacy little little lacy thank you so much
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and uh everybody else who if i'm forgetting you i want to thank you guys for uh all the support this
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year it's uh meant the world and um i feel like i'm forgetting somebody important i don't know who
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what's the black guy what the wendy's guy oh mike davis oh yeah shout out to mike shout out to mike
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davis shout out to mike davis and um i'm pretty sure uh i feel like i'm forgetting somebody to thank
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oh thank you my parents appreciate it thank you to my parents all right love you guys okay so uh gg
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well played to the chat to the panel for the final show of the year last
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huh oh anisa and morgan oh blah fest thank you for the gifted 10 subs over there
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uh on twitch i do appreciate it uh thank you anisa and morgan and uh what is it where sorry where did
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we go uh last call hit the like button please thank you for tuning in tonight you could have been
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anywhere in the world but you're here with me i appreciate that thank you to everyone again who
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super chats dominates and supports the show i'm not sure when we'll be live again probably mid to late
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january any girls who want to be on the show though you can dm out whatever on instagram if you can make
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it to santa barbara oh sevens in the chat we're going to do a quick twitch raid and then we'll get
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everybody out of here who do we raid let's see uh let's i'm going to try to do this quick for you
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guys we're going to do i see your inner woman is kicking in
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oh she just ended her stream right my bad hold on one sec guys i got to do twitch raid because it's you
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you know uh let's do all right uh we're gonna raid aladar then uh yeah why not
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aladar we love you or do we raid joker d joker d we love you will that make it i'm gonna raid
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aladar we're gonna raid aladar he's playing world of warcraft oh no that he's not playing
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world of warcraft okay then we're raiding joker d then are you able to find that all right okay guys
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we're raiding joker d yeah loser all right he's playing hardcore but maybe that's why he got banned
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maybe he's playing bad because hardcore world of warcraft classic combination of it yeah he's a 39
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warrior all right i'm gonna be honest like all right that you die once and that's it
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you start if you die it's over you don't respawn you can't respawn it's hardcore yeah that's
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bullshit yeah i don't know it was mad over well that's a hardcore mode okay so uh thank you guys
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for watching on twitch i'm saying the raid over now all right that's saying over now oh yeah he
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probably just got mass reported as well that's true but not people report yo guys i'm playing i'm also
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playing world of warcraft uh you can mail gold to brixton on horde knight slayer thank you welcome guys
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you're welcome he lives in i don't know when that happened it looked like it was at least
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he's got an accent croatia no it's um malta he's maltee oh yeah he's from malta he's from malta
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that's funny that he was uh the one that's why like greece it's yeah it's near greece all right
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cool um to show you uh that's i don't know what that is but thank you uh kid i do appreciate it
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all right guys like the video on the way out uh oh seven is there anything else nothing else i think
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that i think we're all good okay guys oh sevens in the chat we will see you next time have a great uh
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have a great christmas great new year good night guys oh sevens in the chat good night