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00:03:05.340 guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age occupation and where you're from go ahead

00:03:09.960 hi guys um ella fragment um i'm a hair business owner primarily and i also make tiktok content based on

00:03:19.820 femininity level up and hypergamy wait what were the last two oh level up like i help women okay in

00:03:27.600 their level up journey and hypergamy as well women interested in you help them with their hypergamy

00:03:34.700 yeah like to reinforce their hypergamy or to combat against the program patriarchal

00:03:41.580 things though wait reprogram program like reprogram what exactly sorry sorry my english no it's fine

00:03:48.580 that's fine what's your first uh language spanish oh spanish okay yeah i thought i detected it almost

00:03:55.500 a french accent but oh no my last name is french but yeah that's that's what i okay um you what about

00:04:02.080 the patriarchy and can i have you scoot your mic this way just a tad this way i'm sorry it's no

00:04:07.680 you're fine you're fine um what what about the patriarchy um well my content is about women that

00:04:14.880 want to attract high caliber men like high value men and when i say high value i don't mean your inherent

00:04:21.680 value i say value in your like in the dating market yeah so women that are interested in you know like

00:04:28.380 choosing better men for themselves maybe they're tired of like you know always like ending up with

00:04:34.140 you know men that abuse them men that are you know um don't have the best interest in them you know

00:04:40.700 stuff like that so i help them you know kind of like in the level up like because these are women that want

00:04:45.580 to level up their life like they want to do better for themselves they want to make more money they want to

00:04:51.980 level their self-esteem as well and so i you know they contact me uh i help them you know i coach them

00:04:59.180 on a little bit and you know essentially as women are women that are looking for niche what age what's

00:05:07.660 your age age 24 24 okay what what was the thing about the patriarchy though i wasn't really understanding

00:05:13.980 that reprogram about that like later on okay i'll bring it i can bring it back up later on uh reprogram

00:05:20.860 the is it was that what you said though reprogram the yeah reprogram woman because no no you said

00:05:26.300 patriarchy no because like woman i feel most women have in you know like misogyny internalized

00:05:34.860 but what was the specific term you used related to the patriarchy did you say reprogramming

00:05:40.060 the patriarchy kind of sorrow yeah okay i i will just generally bring up the patriarchy later then

00:05:48.300 um okay we can talk about later yeah um okay what about you hi my name is brigitte i'm 20 i do fundraising

00:05:56.300 for charity where are you from oh so sorry i'm from san diego california gotcha and uh what about you

00:06:03.660 where are you from i'm from new york new york nyc no well yeah well i'm from a lot of places

00:06:11.500 i was born in dominican republic okay race in madrid spain and then i'm here in new york okay yeah all

00:06:18.620 right but not new york city i'm sort of i don't think i'm i'm a new yorkan because staten island is

00:06:25.900 that part of no no no because like new yorkans are very like if you're if you're not born and raised

00:06:30.300 here you're not from new york yeah you can't claim okay yeah so what about you hi i'm shelby i'm 21 um

00:06:38.060 i'm a fundraising and operations manager i'm also from san diego okay hi i'm nikki i'm born and raised

00:06:46.220 in la and i'm 27. all right uh occupation i bartend i model um i do other things

00:06:56.780 drug dealing no well other things is kind of vague like um like only fans am i allowed to talk

00:07:04.540 about that yeah that's okay yeah okay you mentioned your occupation too right or did you say your

00:07:09.420 student uh fundraising oh fundraising that's right that's right gotcha what about you hi i'm nicole

00:07:15.740 i'm 20 and i'm a communication major at ucsb and i'm from the san francisco area got it were you

00:07:24.140 previously at santa barbara city college yes you transferred two years yeah and now i transferred

00:07:29.660 what about you hi i'm courtney i'm 20. oh we need a seat booster for her that's what i forgot

00:07:34.780 uh continue on with your introduction oh go ahead go ahead you're 20 and i currently work at a golf

00:07:41.180 course as a beverage cart attendant golf course beverage cart attendant where are you from northern

00:07:47.980 california okay got it what about you i am jordan i'm 37 and i am a senior general manager for uh fox

00:07:57.580 uh restaurants fox restaurants yeah they serve fox no it's it's a restaurant group sorry we have a we

00:08:05.660 have a lot of restaurants dumbest joke ever okay um and where are you from i'm from arizona arizona

00:08:13.340 okay welcome the q pill i'm 30 years old behavioral scientist certified relationship coach youtuber

00:08:19.740 book author all right welcome everybody so oh and quick uh in the title we were gonna have

00:08:26.060 this girl who recently went viral we're gonna have her do a call in she's in australia uh allegedly she

00:08:31.420 had food poisoning um so unfortunately not gonna be able to delve too much into that but uh

00:08:38.380 we'll uh probably be updating the title after the show so all right we're gonna go around the table

00:08:43.180 once more so what's your current relationship status are you single talking stage situationship

00:08:48.460 friends with benefits relationship married polycule sex cult harem whatever kind of arrangement there might

00:08:53.420 be if you're single how long have you been single what's the longest relationship you've ever been in

00:08:59.260 go ahead i don't know well i will say i'm single i'm still talking to a person of the past and my

00:09:11.180 longest relationship has been two years okay how long have you been did you say how long you've been

00:09:18.460 single for i've been single for i would say two months two months like fully single yeah two months but

00:09:26.380 you're still talking to this individual who you were most recently dating yeah a little bit when's

00:09:31.340 the last time you talked to him yesterday yesterday yeah and was this the guy that you

00:09:39.900 were in a two-year relationship with yeah okay but what did you talk to him about yesterday

00:09:49.580 how frequently do you guys talk did you see him in person very supportive of me and um

00:09:56.220 damn well i have a very you know very supportive family as well but like we have history a little bit

00:10:03.420 and um he's actually happy that i'm here so hi oh he watches the show or no he watches me um no why is

00:10:14.700 he happy you're here then meaning um no he's he's a really good person and um yes i'm single but i'm

00:10:23.260 still talking who's the who's the guy yeah i'm just gonna say it i'm still talking to my ex who's the

00:10:28.460 guy who drove you here today that's him you said you talked to him yesterday we're off to a good

00:10:33.180 start you've already lied um no that's not lying you said you last talked to him yesterday but he

00:10:39.180 drove you here unless that car ride was completely mute i suspect you spoke to him today yes okay good

00:10:46.780 start um so you but you're single you've been single for two months ah it's it's complicated let's

00:10:56.220 leave it like that so you guys broke up on the car ride over here no no i don't want to get into

00:11:02.620 it what do you mean you don't want to get into it you're on a dating podcast definitely got to get

00:11:07.020 into it yeah but i came to talk about relationships you don't like so precisely the relationship you

00:11:12.060 happen to find yourself i didn't come to talk about my personal life but do as i say not as i do

00:11:19.020 so um you've been single for two months i mean are you guys still you guys are still hooking up

00:11:27.100 this is the thing you guys let me let me clarify something clarify you can clarify go ahead we have

00:11:31.580 businesses together okay yeah what we um he sells watches and i have clients so we have yes um you have

00:11:42.060 what kind you have clients yeah like i have friends you know clients that are interested in buying like

00:11:49.980 luxury stuff so you would refer your clients and friends to him he has the goods and i have the

00:11:56.940 clients so like okay i don't see how that it's hard when you have businesses with especially your like

00:12:02.860 your partner because if you wake up you have to also break up that part but i'm not letting i'm not

00:12:08.140 ready to let go of that part because it's a it's a substantial income right now so um yeah

00:12:17.740 i don't know how to describe it you get a commission from the sales of watches yeah pretty much okay and

00:12:24.540 that requires you to be in like in contact with him yeah like it doesn't mean that we're together but

00:12:31.100 it means that we have businesses together okay i see um so i have to talk to him do you guys still

00:12:36.540 when you when you say like oh i used to talking to him i thought you meant like romantically like

00:12:42.140 we're not talking romantically we're talking business there's nothing romantic going on not

00:12:47.820 for my end not from your end not from so he still wants to he wants to get back with you

00:12:54.140 that's up to him what do you mean that's up to him like yeah you should ask him um

00:12:58.700 well you would know you would know wouldn't you if you if he wants to get back with you i guess i

00:13:06.460 mean but i'm not i don't want to do you guys in the two month period that you've been single uh

00:13:14.060 are you guys like still hooking up no i value myself okay yeah and but you guys were and you were

00:13:22.220 together for two years yes we were okay uh isn't it typically advised to not once you break up with

00:13:29.980 somebody to not continue are you looking for somebody new i'm not looking right now it's it's

00:13:36.940 weird so what if a guy came in like in the healing process i'm not really who broke up with who i work

00:13:43.100 up with him why that's obvious what you mean it's obvious that you broke up with him why because he

00:13:49.260 already asked you he said what what happened you said is complicated and then you said well not on

00:13:54.780 my end which means you probably pulled the plug because if you didn't you'd probably be wanting to

00:13:59.820 get back with him i was not ready to talk about my relationships but um yeah like that's kind of

00:14:07.180 like my situation right now okay uh but i'm not looking for anybody so i'm not dating do you think in a

00:14:15.660 do you think that as a new potential relationship was blossoming do you think that might be an issue

00:14:22.860 if you were so financially involved with your i know i would have to come cut my ex off for you know

00:14:29.980 okay respecting the new person obviously gotta respect the new person of course god okay cool all

00:14:36.060 right we're not going to grill you too long on that uh all right uh any rebounds at all or no rebounds

00:14:41.980 meaning like getting back together no rebound like was there has there been any new guys like for a

00:14:48.060 date have you gone on any other dates not really okay all right she's still getting over it right

00:14:53.020 now all right what about you well i am in a relationship right now and then the next question

00:14:59.500 is what was the longest relationship yeah longest relationship you've been in well my longest

00:15:03.260 relationship was four years i was actually married ah okay married so yeah that was cool

00:15:10.300 divorced um technically no oh technically that's kind of expensive you know so we kind of just

00:15:17.820 separated just okay you know kind of stopped uh and you said how long is your current relationship

00:15:24.380 been going on i would say about three months three months gotcha and you said so you're 20 even you

00:15:33.980 were married for four years so you were married from i was in a relationship for four years we were

00:15:39.100 married when i got 18 and then i left when i was late 19 early 20 i see okay uh so you were married

00:15:47.740 for like a period of about a year yeah um when did that relationship end the four-year one i would say

00:15:57.980 once again about when i was late 19 early 20 no how long ago oh how long ago

00:16:03.500 probably like i'd say about a year ago a year ago okay gotcha and your current relationship that's been

00:16:13.420 going for three months yes why uh why did you get separated from your husband you see he in the

00:16:21.580 beginning turned out to be a really nice kind man he was very smart he had a lot of ambitions and then i

00:16:30.620 feel as though kind of after we ended up getting married he got really comfortable and kind of

00:16:35.980 started showing his true colors he started dabbling in drugs stealing my money so i made the ultimate

00:16:41.660 decision that in order for me to grow and to continue to survive and flourish i'm going to have to leave

00:16:45.980 my relationship wow he was stealing money from you yes what are we talking about here so we're talking um

00:16:53.580 tip money i would leave in the car from my job because at the time i was working at pyology which is a

00:16:59.180 custom pizza place and i was getting nightly tips he would steal my money use them on paraphernalia

00:17:06.780 and he would sometimes take my card use it on amazon stuff like that um every now and then he'd be like

00:17:13.580 oh hey can i borrow 20 bucks for a video game and i'd be like oh you know what sure and yeah a lot of

00:17:22.220 things that were obvious red flags that i wasn't able to see just because i was blinded by love

00:17:31.020 unfortunately so okay you what drugs was he taking um quite a few he was on fentanyl heroin and he did

00:17:43.100 dabble in a little bit of meth dabbled in the meth oh yes a meth dabbler oh yes a meth dabbler actually

00:17:49.980 the night i had left um i wasn't planning on leaving him i was still planning on working things

00:17:55.180 out i had went to go pick him up he was hanging out in a parking lot with his friends i didn't know

00:18:00.620 he had been dabbling in the meth um i was like okay let's go time to go home because uh he didn't

00:18:07.420 have a car at the time so i was the main driver and i was like let's go and he was like i don't

00:18:13.260 want to go yet i want to talk to my friends and i was like okay well here's the deal you're sitting

00:18:17.340 here high out of your mind doing absolutely nothing i just got off work i want to go home i want to go

00:18:22.620 to bed are you coming or not and i was he was like i don't want to stay here i was like okay then i'm

00:18:26.700 gonna go he's like if you leave me i'll kill you i looked at him i said you kill me then and i drove off

00:18:32.060 oh my god sounds like you mothered him a man child yeah a little bit shout out to the x5 podcast

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00:18:54.620 um wow okay so threatened to you know annihilate you there was drugs how old was he um he's actually

00:19:08.860 only a year older than me so right now he's 21 uh at the time i believe when i had left i was

00:19:16.060 19 so he was like 20 okay okay so uh he was great at the start yeah and then everything was good how

00:19:29.900 long what was the good period like a year less than a year more than a year i would say the good period

00:19:35.740 was about three years i mean every relationship yes prior to the marriage every relationship obviously

00:19:41.580 has its ups and downs so i i'm not gonna say it was good 100 of the time they're obviously a little

00:19:46.380 bit of stumbles but nothing that was majorly like okay i gotta run you know you hear that guys if you

00:19:52.700 get married your wife's gonna turn you into a uh thieving drug addict yeah you better run that's what

00:20:00.540 happened right after the marriage don't get married guys you'll turn into a thieving drug addict um

00:20:05.740 um okay uh that's a quite a doozy is your current relationship pretty solid oh yeah no my current

00:20:13.180 relationship is absolutely awesome he's a very nice guy when you're gonna start posting him on your

00:20:19.660 instagram i actually never really post anything on my instagram i'm not a very big social media person

00:20:28.060 i do like the podcast though so okay what about you um i'm single i've been single for

00:20:35.660 three days three days three days okay um tell us about that um well i just turned 21 about two

00:20:43.340 weeks ago on november 18th and he proposed to me on my birthday which was you know it was cool

00:20:49.340 everything was great um and then on sunday was our anniversary and brigitte she came over to my house

00:20:57.980 to just you know hang out with me spend some time with me and he had messaged her and was like hey

00:21:02.940 um i want to set up the apartment to make it look nice for our anniversary can you take shelby out

00:21:08.700 of the house for about two hours so she did we went shopping we got some boba just had some fun and then

00:21:14.300 i came back and all of his stuff was gone and he left a note that was saying basically um he just the

00:21:22.060 relationship wasn't working for him anymore and he was afraid of my retaliation which is kind of confusing

00:21:29.180 because we've never argued in the entire year if that makes sense like never so yeah it's just been

00:21:36.300 a few days wait hold on okay so you were engaged for like a month or november 18th so about two weeks

00:21:44.940 oh two weeks okay yeah and he left a note is there anything in your behavior aside from directly with him

00:21:53.420 that would have made him fearful of your retaliation um possibly my last relationship

00:22:00.620 but there was a reason for that he um tell us about that he had stolen my truck and six thousand dollars

00:22:08.300 and my cat and then went across the country to west virginia to be with a girl that he met on reddit

00:22:15.180 and so what was the retaliation that you um i kind of just uh went through his phone and all the photos

00:22:25.740 that she had sent to him i sent to her mom and grandma and dad and pretty much her whole family

00:22:34.220 did he stole your cat i mean once you steal a pet forget who cares about the six thousand you

00:22:39.260 you fuck with a a cat yeah it's it's war exactly it's war you get it okay i get it i get it and i

00:22:47.180 mean the truck and the six thousand that's important too yeah but okay don't hit like the cat though

00:22:52.540 cat was the starter fuck with somebody's pet oh man it's on i have his address i'll i'll get there

00:22:58.300 eventually uh uh okay so i mean i mean that seems like you and did you get the truck back the car the

00:23:11.020 cat no what um so basically when i called the cops about it because i lived down in san diego it was

00:23:17.740 carlsbad area at the time i called them and they said uh find the state that he's in oh hold on so

00:23:24.220 flow act 954 donated 100 what's up brian first time comment thank you thank you i've noticed these

00:23:33.180 simps on your chat don't respect women and talk insult them don't get me wrong i believe humbling

00:23:39.340 women today is important no reason for look you know the thing is with uh youtube chat twitch chat any

00:23:47.260 sort of uh anonymous uh internet chat room or anything like that i mean people are just going to be

00:23:53.180 uh you know toxic and talking trash they talk shit about me they call me simp and beta and all this

00:23:59.980 shit it is what it is like that's just the internet you just got to take uh you just got to accept that

00:24:05.660 and realize people are going to be shit talkers so yeah you know i wouldn't take any of that shit too

00:24:10.220 too seriously so yeah um wow okay wait so you didn't get any any of this stuff back though no yeah so i was

00:24:17.900 saying the um the cops just basically said find what state he was in so took me about six months

00:24:23.740 folex commissions donated 99 the dominican girl is leading her rex on so she can sell fake watches to her

00:24:31.820 cleontel don't know which one is worse oh and you have to send 99 to say that crap i guess i guess he did i guess he did um

00:24:41.900 um you should invest those 99 instead no actually it's it's very much welcome your patronage is

00:24:49.660 appreciated folex commissions thank you man appreciate it um so yeah oh holy what the kinky sprinkler donated

00:24:58.620 one hundred dollars my sprinkler goes like this

00:25:09.260 thank you kinky sprinkler comes back like this

00:25:16.620 uh thank you kinky sprinkler appreciate it um so was the car also in his name or something no

00:25:22.860 it um no it was all in my name what about the cat was that like a shared cat no it was my cat

00:25:28.220 your cat my fucking cat how it yeah what so you went to the police locally yeah locally and they

00:25:35.980 said find where he is so it took me about six months and i went on people finder shout out to them people

00:25:42.300 finder okay and gave me pretty much all information ranging from him to like family members it was like

00:25:48.700 his second freaking cousin that he doesn't even know so that's pretty fun um but yeah they i gave him

00:25:54.300 uh cool rad bro donated 99 he took the cat wtf right yeah uh wow yeah it's super fucked up yeah

00:26:05.500 super fucked up okay did you like try to track him through social media at all um yeah but you know

00:26:12.380 he only really used instagram and reddit to be so besides like putting the wait but i don't know

00:26:21.020 um you you you went after the girl yeah and granted it sounds like she was complicit to some

00:26:29.820 degree in the infidelity there was a reason i was really really stupid in this relationship he cheated

00:26:36.220 on me multiple times and i was like you're gonna change i can help you change i'll forgive you this

00:26:42.300 girl was like talking to him a few times and i believe it was july when i found out about her the

00:26:48.460 first time and i was like dude he has a girlfriend grow the up you know be an adult be a be a girl's

00:26:54.220 girl help me out and just stop this um and then that stopped for about two months and then it went

00:26:59.660 back up again and i found out on my birthday last year my birthdays are kind of shitty damn sounds like

00:27:06.780 like some bad luck um so you've been single for three days yeah um did you cheat on on your fiancee no

00:27:19.260 god no because i feel like i mean he did he wrote you a handwritten note or was it a text message it

00:27:24.460 was a handwritten note and then he blocked me and brigitte on everything i feel like typically for a ghost

00:27:31.740 of that magnitude that's typically warranted if there's like cheating or some egregious betrayal

00:27:38.540 you think but he hasn't given even his parents an answer i've messaged his parents and they're

00:27:43.820 on my side they're like yeah he's being an asshole he needs to talk to you but does he though yeah i

00:27:49.580 deserve an answer well i mean he what did he do you have wait do you have the note i can tell you

00:27:55.260 exactly what it said sure um i don't have the note but i memorized it yeah you remember you committed

00:27:59.980 it to memory oh yeah so um it said uh i have been afraid of your retaliation and for my safety for

00:28:08.060 months now i will be taking my belongings and then he put in like the little kind of quotation things

00:28:14.140 saying that he wanted to take his sword some clothes like regular personal items and then his

00:28:19.020 bottle tab wait sword he's got a katana yeah nah katana but he likes swords he's a nerd he has

00:28:25.900 multiple more than one sword yeah he's a dnd nerd he sounds he sounds great not gonna lie he was

00:28:31.820 sounds like a legend he was yeah um but now he's just kind of a dick any any man with a sword i trust

00:28:39.260 immediately not anymore that's a trust if you have a sword as a man i trust you what about a sword as a

00:28:44.460 woman um no that's dangerous that could be dangerous yeah mike liable to use it on you

00:28:53.820 i don't know about that perhaps that you know we don't want an appendage removed right go ahead

00:28:58.300 you knew a sword guy too you dated the sword guy i was married to one that he was also yeah he was

00:29:02.940 a sword guy so i'd be careful man okay all right good to know maybe it's a can't trust anyone with a

00:29:07.340 sword sword guys are mixed mixed bag i guess um yeah um and then just basically saying like his bottle

00:29:13.820 tab collection he's been collecting that thing for years now but yeah i went through oh wait did

00:29:18.060 you finish reading the yeah like his bottle tab collection okay and then he just said i wish you

00:29:23.260 well i don't want to say his name but m from m um okay yeah that's it just it was like a paragraph

00:29:30.140 that was it just one little paragraph was it in cursive or was it he has really shitty handwriting

00:29:34.540 so it was his he typed it no he wrote it typewriter no oh no he wrote it with not not in cursive

00:29:40.540 though no with the pen ballpoint no i think it was like one of those uh crayola markers to be

00:29:46.220 honest crayola with a crayon like the brown one brown yeah it was brown ah okay i can i'm deciphering

00:29:54.540 a lot of details from this okay so um

00:30:01.020 i think that's a valid way to break up with somebody a valid way yeah that's that's nice he

00:30:06.460 could have ghosted you he did no he wrote you a note he said it's it's over what's the reason

00:30:12.860 though we had sex the morning of he kissed me goodbye said he was going to be back he went to

00:30:18.300 his friend's house and then boom flipped uh sex the morning of yeah everything was fine says he loved

00:30:23.660 me literally we were texting as he was at his friend's house and he was saying you know i love you

00:30:27.900 calling me pet names kitty like all that shit you know i think he was he was fearful of his life

00:30:35.500 good he was scared he should be well exactly that's how he should have well i mean now he should be

00:30:41.660 wait now he should be fearful fearful of his life because of the manner in which he broke up with you

00:30:48.140 no i wouldn't say fearful for his life he shouldn't be fearful for his life but karma's

00:30:52.700 definitely gonna get his ass and i'm gonna be behind it for sure how don't know yet gotta plan

00:31:00.780 it gotta wait for a few years though so they don't suspect it's me i mean you just you essentially

00:31:05.260 just snitched on yourself as to why you think literally the words that just came out of your mouth

00:31:10.860 are evidence of enough for why i'm not gonna remember this in 10 years 10 years i played the

00:31:17.660 long game buddy wait are you being facetious are you serious don't know yet i mean you you've

00:31:26.460 literally just self-snitched like he's totally justified based on what you've just based on the

00:31:32.060 words that have just come out of your mouth for for doing this like disappearing act it's not justified

00:31:39.340 because i've never acted this way towards him i've never shown my crazy side towards him genuinely

00:31:44.460 i have reason to doubt that that's understandable you've like you've just admitted that you're going

00:31:51.260 to he's going to get karma yeah it's going to be at your hand because he it he the note otherwise

00:31:58.300 sounded polite perhaps you take a grievance to the way in which he i should i should also add that we

00:32:04.780 were supposed to be like moving into a brand new apartment by the 15th of this month like it was

00:32:10.300 already set up lease was signed and everything and then and then he just goes to me like that's

00:32:16.220 fucked we need his side of the fucking story are you watching this dude i would love his side of the

00:32:22.940 story i would love that yo call him does anybody have a contact on him i know his number well don't

00:32:29.180 don't say it but like but he blocked you right so you can't can i can i use someone's phone and put it

00:32:33.500 in uh he has me blocked instagram is he on instagram he has me blocked on everything

00:32:39.660 we don't chat wait nick pull up the chat chat do we need his side of the story i'm not even sure

00:32:44.220 if he would i would love to know his side we need his side of the story please i've been waiting for

00:32:49.340 answers those last three days bro yo she is crazy well we can't call him because california wiretapping

00:32:56.940 laws but well no if he agrees to it if he agrees we can call him um doubtful what if we like youtube

00:33:06.620 not youtube um instagram video chat him does that still ordinate by the same law do you think he's

00:33:12.220 watching the show like is he do you think he's keeping tabs on what you're doing um yes uh because

00:33:17.820 i haven't been posting on my instagram or anything lately the last three days and then the second i posted

00:33:23.300 something this morning every single one of his friends saw my story first i was like that's

00:33:28.420 interesting yo his name starts with an m yes buddy i'm looking at my instagram requests at whatever

00:33:38.100 wait what if it's i'm like it's actually not okay hold on um yo send me a dm on instagram we'll do a

00:33:46.420 call-in with you we'll get your side of the story so you're not slandered we don't want you to be

00:33:51.220 slandered here so uh dm us at whatever maybe we can check in here i'm just going to write a note

00:33:56.500 phone call if i don't get a message maybe one of you guys can do let me ask you a question do you

00:34:01.940 think he would be down or do you think it's like very unlikely that he'd want to be honestly it's

00:34:07.380 very unlikely okay he's like he was a homeschooled catholic boy he's not

00:34:11.300 i think so the redhead on the corner legit reminds me of the older redheaded lady on episode

00:34:25.540 116. anyway cheers and grid one motorsports cheers cheers to vash the stampede trigon great

00:34:33.780 anime and cheers to our good friend grid one um i'm not sure what older redheaded girl he was

00:34:41.780 talking about oh we got a bastard donated 100 would any of the girls date brian slash jikwan

00:34:50.420 get in my belly i want my baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back ribs i want my baby back

00:34:58.260 baby back baby back baby back baby back ribs chill yes baby back ribs that was good thank you fat

00:35:06.100 pastor appreciate it you had something i guess um oh well okay well we'll wrap up on that and would

00:35:12.020 any of the girls date us i guess okay when any no well well we'll get you can say no when i'm when we

00:35:20.740 get to the question my bad oh i just thought it might be like good to add about vm is that he was

00:35:29.060 actually messaging my boyfriend that day saying how excited he was for the anniversary and how he had

00:35:36.260 like this whole thing planned so for him to just do that out of nowhere and like lie to my boyfriend

00:35:44.580 for no reason because he was just at work chilling like plus i have a theory on this q and i want you to

00:35:50.580 weigh in on this real quick real quick the note didn't sound like him it it did not sound like the

00:35:55.940 way he normally talked i truly feel like someone was like saying he's a you got abducted no no but i

00:36:02.100 feel like his friends put something into his head and then he just started spiraling and then he was

00:36:06.580 like all right split decision let's do something stupid was he acting weird at all no like leading up

00:36:13.620 to it no change in no change like i said we were packing to move into our new apartment and the day

00:36:18.820 before i was like aren't you getting excited and he was like the more we pack the more excited i am

00:36:22.980 to like this is my first apartment by myself with you like he was mad excited this dude got abducted

00:36:32.660 i think he got abducted um wait but you no but you spoke to the parents correct yeah and he's he's talking

00:36:40.100 to the parents okay so he's not abducted no that's good safety check yeah q this is what i think it

00:36:47.940 could be i want your thoughts right he texted you like to he needed to get out he needed to get out

00:36:56.980 and he had to put on an act like everything was okay that's why he was texting you everything good

00:37:02.580 but he just had to dip he had to leave that's why he was putting on this act of everything's okay

00:37:09.700 but why would you put your mic down a little bit why would you propose two weeks before something

00:37:14.740 between the proposal did he get a ring was there a ring yeah something between did he get the ring

00:37:20.180 back no he is owed the ring back i will let you know he does legally you should give the ring back it

00:37:27.860 was a gift what wait what it was a gift no actually legally like you can look into this

00:37:35.060 when it comes to engagement rings if the wedding is called off legally you do have to return i mean

00:37:41.220 if he doesn't want it back that's fine keep it pawn it whatever but technically legally it's still

00:37:47.460 his property he did end up sending me the last month rent of this apartment that we're at and the

00:37:53.540 first month oh he sent it yeah he sent me the money and then um he was just basically saying

00:37:58.020 like it's a one-bedroom apartment it was supposed to be two but because i don't qualify by myself i

00:38:02.820 had to go back to oh but it is the the one you're going to move into is a one-bedroom apartment no the

00:38:07.860 one i am now is a one-bedroom the one i was going to move into was a two-bedroom okay but because yeah

00:38:13.300 he left i don't qualify on my own oh so that fell through yeah but um okay like the whole leasing

00:38:20.260 office they set something up well look i mean the reality of dating obviously you start people build

00:38:24.980 lives together when it comes to marriage or relationships you move in together it's

00:38:30.660 relationships invariably end so i mean it's kind of sucks that you know he's was he on the lease too

00:38:38.500 yeah i mean technically you both are now you guys can try to have the landlord mitigate his

00:38:44.740 damages and try to release it to somebody else but i mean he's equally uh

00:38:51.620 legally bound to the contract that you sat signed with your landlord so i mean it's shitty but i mean

00:38:56.980 this should happen um you had something yeah so something i was thinking it could be was you know there

00:39:04.420 was something called cold feet that used to happen a lot it still does yeah and it could have just been

00:39:11.460 that because if there was like truly no explanation he could just be cycling through his head into the

00:39:17.060 what if factor like i just proposed what if i'm not good enough what if i can't support her what if i

00:39:22.180 can't do this what if i can't do that and i feel like it's kind of like human nature to think that

00:39:26.500 but it's like it depends on if like you solve it or if you just stay in that mindset and then you

00:39:32.900 eventually your feet are so cold that you just run away is his name matthew no okay somebody somebody

00:39:39.620 sent me a dm he's like oh no okay it's not not matthew um another thing is when we first started

00:39:46.260 dating i was like in a really low place in my life i i didn't even have like a car or a license the only

00:39:52.340 thing i had to my name was my apartment um but throughout this year i've i've grown so much like

00:39:58.500 i was making 15 an hour last december and now i'm making 24 um i'm making more than what he made i'm

00:40:04.820 getting more hours than him and he even said in the beginning of our relationship he was like i

00:40:09.300 want you to get your license so you can have more freedom and such but i feel like when you do that

00:40:14.100 you're not going to need me as much anymore so i feel like the fact that i haven't been needing him

00:40:18.900 is also a big reason he's kind of just like well she doesn't need me to take care of her and no baby

00:40:25.380 her anymore so word i'm i'm of the personal view like i don't think uh i don't know

00:40:36.500 you're not nobody's owed closure i disagree with that especially if if he whether whether it's valid

00:40:44.180 or not if he feels like he has safety concerns then that's totally valid women do that all the

00:40:50.500 fucking time you will block dudes you will ghost them you'll do whatever if you feel there's any

00:40:55.300 safety concerns whether valid or imagined he believes that there's some safety can safety

00:41:00.820 issue related to you ergo it's i think what he did is totally valid

00:41:07.060 women do that all the time but y'all surprised if a guy does it to you

00:41:12.900 wait can i speak what okay okay so i feel like it kind of goes both ways i feel as though

00:41:20.260 both parties should offer each other closure like in any situation just because if we're not

00:41:25.060 communicating with each other then what are we you know like we have the verbal communications and we

00:41:31.300 have the brain to be able to verbalize hey this is how i feel it's not working out let's go our

00:41:35.620 separate ways so both parties are on the same page and are able to move on and further grow from the

00:41:40.900 situation rather than just sitting there and wondering what did i do what did i do it's not

00:41:45.460 right for a woman to do it and i think it's also not right for a man to do it i think neither party

00:41:51.140 should just be like oh okay i'm not going to give you any reason because he gave her a reason right

00:41:56.260 no there was no he told you though it was ending do you have any idea what could have motivated it

00:42:04.260 i truly based on his letter i have absolutely no idea because something in that two weeks something

00:42:08.740 in that two weeks he was exposed to that made him feel differently uh i when i read the letter like i

00:42:13.300 came i came right home because i have a video camera and it kept going off and i was like what

00:42:17.700 are they doing so i looked at it and i saw that he was like taking shit out of the house and by the

00:42:22.500 time i saw it i was like well he's already gone so i went back to my house and i read the note

00:42:27.300 and it didn't show like anything that he wanted to leave um i went over to his friend's house right

00:42:34.580 after and i was like what what happened what were you guys saying to them they were like oh we're not

00:42:39.300 we're not going to talk to him about it you know that's up to him to talk to you i was like i don't

00:42:44.260 know this is shady this is weird because like he him and i were very communicative we talked about

00:42:49.940 our feelings like i said we never argued never raised our voice which is weird because i'm used

00:42:54.660 to fighting in a relationship so like this entire year of no fighting it's been nice but it's definitely

00:43:00.260 different that's why i'm like why didn't we talk about this if you just told me you wanted to leave

00:43:05.700 that's fine you can leave but let me add a caveat to the whole no closure thing so i mean obviously

00:43:12.260 you can determine in your your own relationships whether it's uh warranted or not but as somebody

00:43:20.500 who's had the experience of a girl demanding closure demanding talk and i've actually provided to some

00:43:26.980 degree some explanation why i no longer wanted to see her she would use the closure conversation as

00:43:33.620 pretext to attempt to uh revive the relationship which i've already decided i want to be done with

00:43:43.940 so if she like it's it goes beyond closure to the point of and this was with a woman granted who like

00:43:50.420 refused to take no as an answer like would so it's just if we can have a healthy closure conversation i

00:44:00.500 would be open to it but if it's going to be used as some uh two hour long cry session no no yeah i'm

00:44:09.380 not i'm not doing that i agree with that that's pointless and it's not going to solve anything i

00:44:12.420 even um because like i said he blocked me on everything except email so i just ended up emailing

00:44:18.420 him and i was like so the things you said you were going to take you didn't like all of your stuff is

00:44:23.780 still in my apartment so i would like to get it back to you i would like to get my things and like i have

00:44:28.740 no hope of getting back together i just want to move on from this and you know grow from it so

00:44:33.540 you want he took some of your things or like he had it in his car and like at his parents house and

00:44:38.820 things like that okay he didn't take why do you want to get revenge on him though is it because he

00:44:42.900 broke up with you not so much that i want revenge it's just that's what it sounded like i want karma

00:44:48.260 to get back at him that sounds like revenge there's more than one way to say something but um

00:44:53.540 um well you said you want revenge is more like if i'm intentionally doing it but you that's what

00:45:01.860 you said you're like i hope karma gets him and i will be and i will be the one that in enacts said

00:45:08.100 karma i'm not going to enact said karma but i'm going to be watching okay you're walking back what

00:45:12.900 your your previous statement here my apologies i want to be watching when it happens and i want

00:45:18.740 to have the full eating popcorn type so what do you want his karma to be i want i don't know yet

00:45:27.060 maybe him get into a relationship and just have the same happen okay all right i mean your previous

00:45:34.500 statement was it seemed pretty clear that you wanted to be the uh the one yeah i should have

00:45:41.780 rephrased that i don't want to cause the karma but i want to watch it i think that's what you actually

00:45:47.060 mean though no but now that you realize that's not a good look you're okay hold on let me try to

00:45:52.980 put a better uh a better face on this like i said i know i'm crazy so if i wanted to do some

00:46:00.180 shit like that i feel like i would have done it by now i mean it's only been three days there that's

00:46:04.740 exactly you said 10 years from now you're gonna be still scheming and be thinking okay

00:46:13.300 abby's roast beef donated 100 brian what's with you liking women with big poo says are you mental

00:46:23.300 no i'm not i'm not mental listen women have genitalia preferences women like big peens

00:46:30.260 i happen to like large labia i have a i have a non-profit organization big labia matter blm

00:46:37.700 um hashtag blm um you know right you guys some of you some of y'all like big dicks i like hell

00:46:46.260 yeah big pussy lips what's up go off go off that's right that's right it's it's unfortunate that women

00:46:53.860 get some women will get shamed if they do have large labia and i'm a i'm a defender i'm the shield

00:47:00.660 guard well i mean it's unfortunate when men get made fun of if they have that's right it is yeah

00:47:06.980 it's very i don't think we should be shaming anybody for the way they were born agreed anybody

00:47:13.460 so okay good talk oh okay let's go um we need to get through the single thing then we'll ask the

00:47:18.500 other question that came in this tts by the way guys um the tts trigger is now boosted to 200 and up

00:47:25.060 we just added 100 i let it go for probably like another 45 instead of 30 minutes so tts is going

00:47:31.060 to be 200 and up from here on now um relationship status i'm single um i've been single since january

00:47:41.860 but the first like four months i was trying to be celibate well i was celibate for the first four months

00:47:49.300 and then single since january where you were trying to be celibate you were celibate for the first four

00:47:54.580 months yeah okay um and then your celibacy failed it sounds like i mean it didn't fail but i was just

00:48:02.980 like okay i think oh he got it one motorsports donated 100 obviously future lorraine bobbit does

00:48:10.500 not get that her crazy is obvious sex morning of is a w for the dude and obviously he called to make

00:48:16.900 sure you were not coming home guy barely made it out alive uh cheers to grid one motorsports do you want

00:48:24.260 to respond to grid one motorsports um who the fuck is lorraine bobbit oh lorraine bobbit do you know

00:48:31.700 this no this was like grid was it in the 80s or the 90s in any case this woman was married to a man

00:48:38.740 it was this is pre-internet basically major news story she chopped off his peen so i guess related to

00:48:48.420 the sword thing i guess chopped off chopped it off chopped off the peen and it went it was crazy all

00:48:55.060 over the news and then i guess he got it surgically reattached and started doing adult films the husband

00:49:04.580 go him good for him but uh it was absolutely despicable in that people thought it was funny

00:49:12.820 that he got his peen removed decap decap not decapitated uh severed i don't think people would

00:49:21.060 have thought it was so funny if some dude like chopped some titties off or something i don't know

00:49:25.620 chop chop the labia i guess chop the clit i don't know okay whatever um did you want to respond to grid

00:49:31.540 one motorsports yeah uh he said um that i didn't know that my crazy is showing i literally just said i was

00:49:38.500 crazy like listen to what i'm saying um yeah and him barely making it out of life like literally like

00:49:47.540 i said we had no arguments everything was fine we never fought never put our hands on each other

00:49:54.100 never raised our voice at each other we always had very open communication um so this just being

00:50:00.180 completely out of the blue i really don't think there was anything for him to be scared for his life

00:50:05.860 it doesn't make any sense okay um so coming back to you um you've been single since january but you

00:50:14.820 january yeah and my relationship was two years longest relationship two years did you answer longest

00:50:21.220 relationship two and a half years 2.5 okay uh you were trying to be celibate well i mean i didn't have

00:50:29.700 like a deadline i just was happy that i made to four months four months i just took that time

00:50:35.700 to like heal i did therapy i did self-work i detox i stopped drinking um i recently just did that too i

00:50:43.540 stopped drinking for um 34 days and i work at a bar so i mean it sounds like like oh 34 days but yeah

00:50:53.540 i don't smoke or anything like that so

00:50:59.220 okay good times

00:51:01.060 what's going on recently though anything anything i'm just being single yeah no i'm just dating around

00:51:08.740 are you celibate or not no okay i don't really recommend that to be celibate because i feel like

00:51:16.420 what do you recommend well yeah like you know do the self-work but like i just think the celibacy thing

00:51:22.740 like right when i got out of celibacy like i feel like i try to like make up for those four months i just

00:51:28.740 kind of went like crazy when you say you went crazy what do you mean like i just feel like i

00:51:33.700 was just like pulling out all these like random stunts that i've never done stunning things that

00:51:37.460 i've never done like what do you mean like just trying to pull out like all these crazy ass moves

00:51:42.980 like what like what

00:51:48.180 like i don't know i just like stunts what you're like jumping cars and

00:51:52.100 shit what you what do you mean no during sex during sex like what um i've never done it until

00:52:00.420 recently you're doing like reverse cowgirl and you kind of have to be a little flexible and then lean

00:52:06.340 forward and like just start sucking his toes while you're in reverse cowgirl huh cool okay there's that um

00:52:15.380 that's it that's the freakiest shit ever i mean it sounds like a typical friday i mean no i mean i

00:52:25.060 just got out of celibacy though wait what this was yesterday you did this oh no oh okay okay no no

00:52:31.780 okay um but you said you went crazy so like were you just dating multiple dudes is that what you're

00:52:36.980 talking about yeah and i just feel like i was like super horny all the time because of the celibacy yeah okay

00:52:43.380 so when you say you went crazy like what were you dating like five dudes at the same time what are

00:52:49.140 we talking no not at the same time no i was just like going on dates a lot how what okay define a

00:52:55.780 lot what do you mean like one day out of i don't know maybe every single day days

00:53:04.660 so twice a week basically maybe yeah okay different dudes yeah would you smash not all of them no what

00:53:12.500 was like the smash success rate like 50 percent maybe a little less like 40 okay okay sweet um

00:53:24.020 and then are you current you're is there any guy in the picture right now not seriously no not

00:53:29.140 seriously no so there's some there's like a friends with benefits or sneaky link currently

00:53:33.940 no no no not so you're celibate i don't want to label it as this i guess okay all right all right

00:53:43.620 okay uh what about you nicole currently i'm single and my longest relationship was about a year how long

00:53:51.060 have you been single for two years probably two years okay nothing's changed really since your last

00:53:56.260 well appearance it changed a little bit in the sense where i was like celibate at that time but

00:54:04.100 then i wasn't like celibate for a little bit but then i regret that and looking back i should have just

00:54:10.420 stayed celibate celibate and i'm kind of like what ella's on where i'd rather be alone than be disrespected

00:54:17.380 and i honestly think as a woman it's like sex is very different for us like we

00:54:22.340 when we have sex with a man like we have certain hormones that we release that actually brings us

00:54:27.620 closer to the man and we get attachment and men it doesn't really operate the same way a lot of the

00:54:34.260 time especially if you're just forming an emotional bond so that's kind of what i'm on and i'm not

00:54:40.740 really looking for something right now i'd rather just focus on my goals and put my energy towards that

00:54:47.700 because yeah and so you said you're currently celibate yes how long have you been celibate

00:54:56.740 for like a month because i recently like hold on okay no because i recently i was just like

00:55:02.180 kind of seeing one person okay doesn't mean i wasn't talking or like open to other people

00:55:08.420 but i was seeing one person kind of seriously but kind of seriously what does that mean

00:55:13.300 just like pretty often how often it varied but like once or twice a week three times a week no

00:55:20.900 less less yeah once a week but they were kind of far away so yeah it was long distance kind of

00:55:26.100 serious kind of yeah but you weren't you were in a long distance situationship low-key yeah exactly why

00:55:32.660 would you be long distance with somebody who's not your boyfriend okay um it wasn't like long distance

00:55:38.500 but it was just someone i had like great interest in that happened to be far away where none of your

00:55:45.700 business how far away like two hours away okay los angeles no okay uh yeah it could be it can't be

00:55:55.380 it could be san luis obispo um okay so

00:55:58.660 you and is that done that's over yes you broke up with him he broke up with you well we weren't

00:56:08.260 together so but i kind of just stopped talking to him i thought you had really strong feelings for him

00:56:15.700 yes but then i realized that he wasn't who i thought he was because i feel like us women do

00:56:20.580 this often where we like think of someone's potential or fantasize about who they could be

00:56:25.060 to whereby we get kind of delusional and we think like i'm trying to attract a high value

00:56:30.500 man and like the second i saw that he wasn't like a high value man i have no reason to be like

00:56:38.260 talking to someone that isn't when i'm like a high value woman and going towards that and trying to

00:56:44.260 attract that how long it took you to um determine that he was not a high value man

00:56:49.700 probably just like four to six months or something i didn't see him that long okay

00:56:57.780 uh not even the potential to be though you said potential potential like his potential yeah like

00:57:03.940 was he ambitious he definitely has the potential and he definitely is very knowledgeable about what

00:57:09.060 it takes to be the potential but i think us women and men mature at different rates and we also

00:57:16.500 heal differently because women we can sit down a lot of us are going to be more open about our

00:57:21.140 emotions and past experiences and learn from each other so we heal at a faster rate and we're able to

00:57:28.180 move on and see the past is kind of lessons i feel like men struggle more and they kind of start wanting

00:57:38.100 to hurt women or unintentionally or intentionally because of the pain they felt from other women and it

00:57:45.620 takes them into good like it'll take them into other connections even if like the girl is like

00:57:53.060 right just because they haven't like healed themselves but anyways what i'm trying to say

00:57:57.300 is i think he was more immature than i thought he was how so what about him was immature

00:58:05.620 i don't want to like call him out hopefully he's okay here i i think i have a good a good hunch he was

00:58:10.740 seeing other women he wasn't loyal to you okay but it also sounded like it's not like i wasn't seeing

00:58:18.260 other people just not as seriously but it wasn't when you okay basically my friend sent me his tinder

00:58:24.660 and that gave me the ick wait hold on him having did you have any dating apps at this time no i've

00:58:30.980 never had dating but you said regardless okay but you said that you were seeing other people too

00:58:36.900 yes but not seriously like i wasn't were you sleeping with them no then why hold on

00:58:43.940 you're saying during the entire period of time you were seeing him you didn't sleep with anybody else

00:58:48.340 yeah no so why would you be seeing other people well just to be like open to other people not put all

00:58:56.180 your eggs into one basket we're not exclude we weren't exclusive we weren't together i'm still open to

00:59:02.180 but so it's an ick for him to have tinder and to be exploring his options and to be seeing other

00:59:08.340 women but if you're doing the exact same thing that's okay it's not that he was exploring his

00:59:15.060 options and other women that throws me off it just that it was on tinder because i feel like

00:59:19.860 a lot of us know that those dating apps especially tinder for like men they're really like sleeping

00:59:24.980 around kind of with whoever i mean what would you what do you guys think is your opinion i feel like

00:59:30.100 some it's a hookup app definitely it's a hookup app but i mean uh but the bottom line is uh you

00:59:37.540 wasn't serious y'all wasn't serious and you said and you saying you regret you said you regret so

00:59:43.060 i'm guessing y'all slept together yes okay so the fact that y'all slept together would it be

00:59:47.380 far-fetched for me to assume that you sleeping with him actually gave you more feelings for him and you

00:59:53.780 didn't like the fact that he was on tinder because the feelings you had for him were developing past

00:59:57.780 a casual like getting to know you type ordeal okay so basically in her head that eventually

01:00:03.860 she caught feelings and him being on tinder um translated to him not basically feeling the same

01:00:10.580 way yeah it's not exactly just about that i guess i kind of viewed it as i'm someone who's so careful

01:00:16.820 about careful about who i hook up with and establish a serious connection with that why would i be like

01:00:23.700 giving all my energy and all of that to someone who would give that to like anyone on a dating app

01:00:30.260 just for like a quick night you weren't giving him you weren't giving him all your energy you

01:00:34.180 were dating other men i wasn't dating other men like seriously how do you know that he was just on

01:00:40.820 the app for a quick night you said you were like talking to other people he could have been on the

01:00:44.740 app just to talk to other people as well that's a fair point true and then you were also saying

01:00:50.980 like not doing it safely like he could still be on a dating app and hooking up with people but still

01:00:55.780 doing it safely so you cut him off because you've seen him on tinder well it was other things too

01:01:03.220 okay because she said it gave her it which means it was just a visceral response to seeing him on

01:01:07.780 tinder i guess i just have very set standards in my head and if something doesn't mean it

01:01:14.580 i don't mind to leave like i'd rather be alone and like respect myself and not settle if that makes

01:01:21.140 sense what are the what are those well i think that one of the greatest things a man can have is

01:01:28.260 self-control and i can't really picture a man like this vision that i have of a high value man

01:01:35.940 using tinder for attention or talking to other people i feel like a high value man like honors

01:01:42.180 and cherishes connections that he meets in like person like more tangible ones if that makes sense

01:01:49.140 can i ask you a question yes did you want it to be more serious like where were you like you were

01:01:58.260 looking for a serious relationship with this man not necessarily i even told him i was like i can

01:02:05.060 see myself being with you like in a serious relationship i was super communicative and

01:02:09.780 straight up i was just like it's kind of a matter of time i was like i feel like i don't know you that

01:02:15.460 well i want to just experience more time with you and assess okay like if we could be together but i was

01:02:20.660 super open about like i can like envision us be to get being together because we would spend like

01:02:26.020 a good amount of time together and connect on a good level so yeah what are you thinking brian

01:02:34.900 well you said he's not he wasn't a high value man but you could you consider yourself a high value woman

01:02:41.300 uh but i mean how quick you said you were seeing him for like four to six months

01:02:48.980 uh how quickly into the relationship did you guys hook up or not the relationship how soon did you

01:02:54.660 hook up first night second night so basically he is a friend i've had for like four years so we

01:03:00.980 already knew each other very well um but then like the first night when we were alone i should have told

01:03:07.140 him how i felt about him because i really liked his like characteristics and his personality and we

01:03:14.740 had gone out and then i hooked up with him the first night it was just the two of us but i already

01:03:20.660 like felt that way and like he was someone very intriguing to me months before that what what did

01:03:26.340 you tell him like how did you because you guys were friends before so how did you broach this hey by

01:03:32.260 the way i have feelings for you i like you how did you say it i should have was like i have to be

01:03:37.780 honest with you part of me sees you as a friend but part of me wants more i'm attracted to you in an

01:03:43.300 intellectual manner like that's like intellectual man yes like i'm like is the guy like a fucking

01:03:50.020 physicist what are we talking about no not not like that don't take it so literally okay my bad when

01:03:55.940 someone just like opens up your mind you know what i mean like your conversations are like

01:04:01.300 really good they have a lot of value to like add to your life like lessons that they could teach

01:04:06.020 you and like you can teach them a lot like i cherish that a lot in all my kinds of like relationships

01:04:11.300 like friendships or like romantic so i meant it in that sense and i was just super open and honest

01:04:17.860 about that so what was his response when you dropped this well he said that he feels like the same way

01:04:24.820 but the i can't really speak about these details actually because like because why this can't reach

01:04:34.020 the world like the reason why like the connection oh so probably couldn't have worked out the connection

01:04:42.180 couldn't have worked out is there like a family feud or something a vendetta something it has to do

01:04:46.660 with like like what it's not like a it's not serious like a family vendetta but it's just like more like

01:04:55.140 nothing wait i think i know

01:04:56.500 is it's related to your family somewhat no no no like how your parents might view him no not at

01:05:06.500 all nothing nothing political nothing family just other people in like the circle

01:05:12.980 oh he fucks like three of your friends no no no then what is it it's not bro nobody watches the

01:05:19.940 podcast there's like three people watching that cap you literally have like four million subscribers on

01:05:25.220 youtube yeah but like that's social media like this is real nowadays like wait give us a hint give us a

01:05:33.300 hint like what's it um there's just things in the past that were stopping us from like pursuing the

01:05:40.420 connection he was dating a chick no no he was gay no had a history of abuse no nothing like that you

01:05:51.700 you were dating his homie courtney do you think i should just kind of say it or do courtney courtney

01:06:00.020 i mean give them a little bit more how can i do that do it

01:06:05.620 how can i do that and not say too much do it yes you can just do it i mean yolo well basically

01:06:16.900 there was people that we were involved with romantically in the past that probably wouldn't

01:06:21.540 have been happy if they found out we had a connection what why does that matter yeah

01:06:29.060 okay guys i can't say anymore wait there are people that each of you were romantically

01:06:38.900 so is it like a thing where he was dating somebody's ex and you were dating somebody's

01:06:47.220 y'all were interconnected everybody was y'all was like in this circle friend not like one of those incest

01:06:52.500 friend groups from high school like no like not like that it was like nick you've got experience

01:06:58.420 from that no i just thought we were supposed to celebrate oh oh okay i thought you were saying that

01:07:04.740 you had a something in high school like okay i apologize nick they're related are you guys related

01:07:10.420 no oh my god that's what it is no that's what it is did he get like one of your friends pregnant

01:07:17.060 no okay it's just she's not gonna it's just stuff i can't really speak on the same way like ella

01:07:22.980 couldn't really but what i will say is that i'm very grateful for any experience and i feel like

01:07:28.980 anyone should be and like even with your ex now or whatever sometimes you don't even deserve closure

01:07:36.820 sometimes the connection just isn't meant to be and we're so young and sometimes it just like take what

01:07:41.460 they taught you i'm sure you taught them some stuff and just take that wisdom into your next

01:07:46.740 relationship and spread it to other people like this right here and not everything has to be so

01:07:51.620 negative and i'm grateful for him he's still someone that i value it's interesting though because you

01:07:57.060 you sound like kind of we're stepping away from this particular convo but you're upset that he was like

01:08:03.860 on tinder and it wasn't he was maybe seeing other women but you were seeing other guys but you never

01:08:10.020 it sounded like you had said hey uh i could see myself being serious with you down the road

01:08:19.780 but it almost sounds like you didn't want to close things off did you at any point want things to be

01:08:27.860 closed no like it's something i envisioned in like the future but just because you knew this guy for four

01:08:34.500 years and you liked him like what this is okay well she's young she's 20. yeah that's a perfect time

01:08:41.780 to get life to determine no you don't have your life you don't have your whole life girl yeah

01:08:47.700 like you don't see what you like you know don't date around yeah don't date multiple men at the same time

01:08:54.980 no don't date multiple men yes at the same time at the same time that is having sex don't do that

01:09:00.180 of course uh can i say sex yeah you can say sex okay i mean honestly i just think about

01:09:05.220 this one tiktoker i don't know his name but he just talks about how like back in the day

01:09:11.300 men used to be like the chasers and the pursuers so much more like you had multiple men knocking on

01:09:17.220 one woman's like door and she could pick and choose and like her and her family could pick and choose

01:09:21.540 doesn't mean she was seeing them seriously but i don't know i feel like the ball is more like

01:09:27.540 so in like the woman's court and like the women should be pursued if that makes sense and i don't

01:09:33.700 see anything wrong with women seeing many men as long as she's very clear about her intentions and

01:09:40.340 that she's doing that do you agree i mean that's how it used to be there was like well i mean there's

01:09:45.460 a couple things so first off i don't know if tiktok is a if it's that if that's a the best source for

01:09:51.940 historical dating information but um oh you have something and i'll respond good so this is maybe a

01:10:00.660 little off topic but like when we're looking at when we're looking at science and we're going way

01:10:05.780 back in the day like way back at the beginning of human evolution um there was actually studies that

01:10:10.980 found that the human species as a whole was not scientifically meant to be monogamous right so

01:10:18.340 there's scientific evidence that supports the reason why like females are able to orgasm multiple

01:10:23.300 times is because they were supposed to go with multiple partners and literally the shape yeah no

01:10:28.500 oh my god fuck and the shape of the man's like head is literally shaped like that to scoop out

01:10:37.220 competitors right because just like in the race of which sperm is going to be able to fertilize

01:10:44.180 the egg it was the same thing with male competitors back in the day in the beginning of evolution

01:10:49.140 right so whoever had the strongest sperm whoever had the strongest genetics

01:10:52.820 right whoever's genes were going to be able to survive longer and benefit the human race more

01:10:58.740 were the ones that were actually able to meet the egg and fertilize but nowadays we have society

01:11:04.100 we have civilization we have all these other things and all these other standards that monogamy

01:11:08.580 just kind of become a part of it right which there's nothing wrong i mean humans in general

01:11:14.420 are a very social species and we do need to be around each other you take someone you put them in

01:11:19.460 solitary confinement you don't let them see anyone they're going to go crazy they're going to lose

01:11:23.540 their minds and they're just not going to know how to socialize with anyone right and it's kind of

01:11:28.820 that's kind of how we people are and we have it in our heads now that we need to find someone we

01:11:33.140 need to do this we need to do this and we just need to settle down and everything but when our

01:11:38.100 reality when you're looking for a relationship instead of looking for oh is this a high value

01:11:42.900 man is this this is this this think of is this person going to support me is this person going to

01:11:47.380 stand by me and i'm going to be able to financially emotionally and just in general grow with this

01:11:55.140 person to raise kids to start a future to stay steady in life instead of looking at all these things

01:12:00.500 oh he had one tinder account think okay later down the line is that tinder account going to stay

01:12:05.540 because like she said we are young and things do happen and there is time to change and fix things

01:12:10.900 and grow in a relationship oh can i can i can i say something in response to what you just said yes

01:12:15.140 um the first thing is which one of the sexes get pregnant the female the female okay so according

01:12:22.020 to sexual selection theory uh you you're not quite wrong but you're not accurate in what you just

01:12:27.700 described and i'm gonna tell you why sexual selection theory the sex that has the babies

01:12:34.180 they have more paternal investment parental investment yes so it's not the men so it's

01:12:38.180 maternal investment right sperm competition is what you're referring to yes but women didn't

01:12:43.780 necessarily select multiple men to sleep with the further back you go the more animalistic we were

01:12:49.860 right so that means men went on to women like i can't say the word yeah but that was much

01:12:57.220 more of a natural occurrence in the natural world the further back you go and the more primitive humans

01:13:01.780 were so like our test these size is it speaks to sperm competition but the woman has always been more

01:13:08.180 selective than the man and the woman has evolved to select the best mate that she sees for her so

01:13:13.620 that's why women typically get attached to one man most women do not date multiple men at a time

01:13:19.140 even with her advice saying i recommend you date multiple men i don't even have to say anything against

01:13:24.500 that because that's not naturally the route that women are going to take if multiple men come at a

01:13:28.980 woman a woman is going to develop feelings for one man and naturally cut the rest of the men off

01:13:33.220 naturally for so even so even if even if you give the advice like date multiple women or date multiple

01:13:38.420 men she's not going to do it even if you even if you tell her you should this could be effective

01:13:42.820 this could help you try to get the dating outcomes that you want she's still going to naturally

01:13:46.260 release endorphins hormones that's specific to one man especially if they have sex which speaks to her

01:13:51.460 case grid one motorsports donated two hundred dollars do not listen to the chick that cannot

01:13:57.300 keep a man and has never been married or to the fake science girl do not date around men value

01:14:04.020 purity and beauty so be that men are hunters be prey okay so yeah so that's that's what i'm saying so

01:14:11.940 i get what you're saying we aren't naturally monogamous but women are more monogamous than men men

01:14:16.580 men are more polygamous than women and you see that in our physiology our anatomical features so

01:14:22.420 that's what i'm saying that's what i'm explaining so you weren't exactly wrong about the monogamy part

01:14:26.980 but women are more monogamous than men and women will tend to get with one man over multiple men they

01:14:31.620 don't really want to date multiple men at one time and naturally the behaviors that they exhibit is going

01:14:37.380 to be exclusive to one man once she finds a man that she likes yeah and i'm not saying like sleep around

01:14:42.900 like if you want to that's fine it's not like something i'm like specifically saying i'm just

01:14:46.580 saying that that like these um roots that we have may be embedded into us because it is what started

01:14:54.900 our whole species right so we could still have these feelings and that could be why sometimes things

01:15:02.020 happen you know what i'm saying i understand what you're saying oh so you were talking about how to

01:15:07.380 look more into like can a man support me can i grow with a man but those things i kind of encompass

01:15:12.820 within like a high value man you know what i mean those are the kind of questions that come when

01:15:17.620 you think of what is a high value man i feel like and i guess i kind of just saw i'm not saying he

01:15:24.100 can't become one or someone like that can't become one i just feel like one of the traits a high value

01:15:29.780 man has or like a partner i'm trying to attract is self-control and i don't really see that as self-control

01:15:35.460 or okay maturity can i can i can i uh hint on that too um i'm really curious when women say

01:15:41.860 self-control as a man men typically when men become high value they may have came from a position where

01:15:48.820 they weren't desirable so if a man becomes desirable he now has women that are approaching him

01:15:54.420 women being around him that he never would have gotten so it's kind of unrealistic to expect a man to

01:15:59.940 just know how to have sexual discipline if he wasn't exposed to beautiful women he didn't attract

01:16:06.020 beautiful women at some point in his life so most men when they become high value you can look at you

01:16:10.180 can look at entertainers you can look at athletes you can look at any guys higher on the socioeconomic

01:16:14.900 ladder when they get women around them they typically are going to fuck a lot of those women around them

01:16:19.940 so tender just makes it easier for guys to exercise that option especially if he's a desirable guy on a

01:16:25.460 dating app so i when women say that i'm like that's not realistic to expect a man to have

01:16:31.460 dick discipline especially if he never had to learn it that's what i'm saying that's a very

01:16:37.620 interesting point yeah thank you that makes sense

01:16:43.620 who is next another thing though about like the tinder profile is that his bio for the tinder profile was

01:16:50.020 need a plus one in like days before my friend sent me that he took me as a plus one to like a bar and

01:16:57.620 with his friends so then i was kind of like i don't want to be one of the other plus ones i can't really

01:17:03.140 assess how serious he was about that bio or if he's using the app to seek out girls to bring as a plus one

01:17:09.220 to events to bring around his friends but i kind of saw as that's kind of embarrassing and pathetic for

01:17:14.900 me i don't want to be like one of the many girls that he brings as a plus one around his friends

01:17:19.540 like i think that's special and like important when someone introduces you to their friends and i kind

01:17:24.660 of just didn't like that you know i don't want to be just one of those other ones like seen as a side

01:17:30.340 bitch exactly did you talk to him about it did you have a conversation once he once you seen that and

01:17:34.980 it gave you the egg i kind of i just sent it to him because oh so this is another thing

01:17:39.060 is that the first picture on his tinder profile was in my old apartment so i was kind of just like

01:17:48.420 wow like are you like that just kind of like rude all of that or i don't know i just i just want to

01:17:53.460 be fully respected i think uh you might be looking too much into that i feel like girls look way more

01:17:59.140 into that than guys do because i guarantee he just saw the photo and he was like damn i look good and

01:18:03.140 then you're seeing that and you're looking all into it and you're like that's in my apartment i was just

01:18:06.660 like looking at all of it and him lying about his age on the profile and him saying need a plus one

01:18:11.860 when i was just brought as a plus one and it being in like my old apartment i think i just didn't want

01:18:19.300 to keep talking to him after that i don't know okay but i think feel like when people are in uh say

01:18:25.620 like a man and a woman are just like in like the talking stage of getting into a relationship a lot of

01:18:32.580 women will kind of treat it already like it's a relationship even though it's not so i also did

01:18:37.380 want to ask like were you guys treating the i guess talking stage or situation ship like what you guys

01:18:43.060 had like the same equally the same like did you guys respect each other's um standards and fit

01:18:50.740 those standards and everything yeah i guess we didn't really talk about our standards through

01:18:57.220 the talking stage because we weren't talking seriously for that long and as far as we

01:19:03.940 talked about it it was kind of like we can see ourselves being together just not right now and

01:19:09.300 we're kind of assessing if like how serious that could be you know and i feel like that lack in

01:19:13.780 communication when you are in that talking stage like can really fuck a situation ship up because you're

01:19:19.300 trying to envision this person to fit all of your standards yet those standards are never really

01:19:24.820 communicated yet so i feel like that's one of the big things that maybe i did mess up by not

01:19:31.060 communicating to him and maybe i do owe him communication still instead of just like having

01:19:36.820 ghosted him yeah i would recommend about that a lot but sometimes pride gets in the way

01:19:42.100 because obviously that was hurtful and like annoying to see because i really don't want to be

01:19:46.900 just another plus one like i'm not sleeping with other people like doesn't mean i'm not seeing other

01:19:51.780 people but just to be like someone else's plus one out of the i don't know how many

01:19:57.940 you know i don't know and it's also important to know he can't read your mind either so if you're

01:20:02.340 saying you if you're saying you see him as a potential long-term romantic partner then it is

01:20:06.900 imperative that you communicate that because he could be left out in the cold wondering what happened

01:20:11.140 and you saw something that turned you off and you made a decision off of that turn off that ended up

01:20:15.380 breaking severing you guys's relationship so that should be something that you actually should revisit

01:20:19.780 if i mean if if you're open to it and that's something you think about still i say i would

01:20:24.020 recommend that you revisit that and clear up that line of communication thank you absolutely did we

01:20:29.460 go around with no no she's next so my longest relationship was um about a year and a half

01:20:38.100 and currently i'm single now uh how long ago did your relationship end about two years ago

01:20:44.020 cheers cheers and you're not talking to anyone right now nope

01:20:51.060 no i'm not actually nick did you say that yeah

01:20:56.180 whoa

01:21:02.100 oh name dropped okay

01:21:03.620 um i have been single for almost five years now um my longest relationship was almost three years

01:21:19.220 i'm going oh okay um i'm single as in unmarried um i date when i feel like it

01:21:25.860 my longest relationship has been uh three years it was three years

01:21:29.060 um do you all plan to like want to get married one day or have children i do

01:21:39.060 me too yeah yeah me too i don't know about kids but getting married yeah

01:21:44.740 i don't i don't think we i don't really believe in marriage anymore you don't believe

01:21:49.460 that why not what aspect of marriage i just feel like there's so much like love i think that i

01:21:56.180 could possibly give that i just don't see myself just like being with one person anymore

01:22:02.900 so you want to you could channel all that love into one person and make a beautiful relationship

01:22:07.700 out of it i just think dating now especially with like the internet and like where i live in la too

01:22:15.060 like i just feel like the dating pool is just not serious so i'm not gonna like manifest my mind

01:22:20.580 into like thinking like marriage marriage marriage like i actually want to put that love into like

01:22:24.820 myself and like be more putting into just myself i'm not gonna just focus on marriage like i like

01:22:32.420 i respect everyone that wants to get married and have kids but i feel like i just don't what do you

01:22:38.420 have a desire for a committed long-term relationship exclusivity if it comes but like i'm not gonna wait or

01:22:45.380 like cross my fingers or like wish for that to happen okay yeah seek it out yeah and the kid thing like

01:22:52.500 i've even thought about like even if i could adopt like and just have a kid for myself you know like

01:22:57.940 i think us as women we're all like have that motherly instinct and i have a cat so like i felt

01:23:03.940 for your cat situation i have four now so oh but um the marriage thing i'm like whatever

01:23:12.180 i'm like whatever's on it i'm not expecting it i'm not gonna like deny if somebody proposed to me i

01:23:17.300 would say yeah i mean like if i love them you know i would say yes but like i'm not gonna pretend to

01:23:22.660 think that like i'm gonna live like how my grandparents were like married for like 20 30

01:23:28.340 plus years or whatever like i just don't think that really exists anymore like unfortunately uh hold on

01:23:34.980 let me just regather the conversation here um bro i fucking spilled water not just on the table but i

01:23:41.780 live on all on me so uh and don't have any fucking change of clothes so um relationship

01:23:50.740 status did you share can you share it again since i was gone my longest relationship was a year and a

01:23:56.740 half and i am currently single how long have you been single two years two years okay and you i'm

01:24:03.940 currently single for almost five years now and longest relationship was almost three years three years

01:24:09.940 okay got it and daquan i know your situation um so the point where i got

01:24:16.660 fucking doused in my shit um you were saying that

01:24:23.380 monogamy is not the natural order of things for humans

01:24:28.740 yes so i was talking about just like genetically and kind of why we're facing a lot of the issues

01:24:33.780 that we're facing nowadays may be rooted to how we originally evolved

01:24:40.180 like started evolving did you want me to like go over the whole like scientific theory or no

01:24:45.860 i mean i heard most of it but i mean i just

01:24:49.220 it may certainly be the case that we are less monogamous now and that we might have a proclivity

01:24:57.940 towards um polygamy yeah however we also have a proclivity towards violence and thieving and stealing

01:25:07.380 so society reinforces behavior that is more conducive to a positive

01:25:16.980 social structure and the fact of the matter is polygamy is absolutely destructive to social order

01:25:24.820 also don't forget well let me just point out that still even today though the most common form of

01:25:29.780 dating is serial monogamy so when you say monogamous we may not want to we can't be together with

01:25:35.540 somebody forever like one person just forever but we do tend to pair up in in certain increments of

01:25:42.740 time like maybe two years like the average relationship is 17.2 months so about one to

01:25:48.180 two years we pair up and we form those pair bonds essentially to raise kids yeah exactly but um there was

01:25:54.980 actually um it's called universe 25 it was a harvard science experiment and basically what they did was

01:26:01.540 they created a utopia for rats to basically mimic like human society and it showed in conclusion that

01:26:10.100 even with everything that they had to survive to live they their society still crumbled no matter how

01:26:16.260 many universes that they made and you can look it up it's called universe 25 um

01:26:20.980 um their society still crumbled it eventually made it to where um there were these mice called

01:26:27.620 the pretty ones that would just groom themselves all day they did not seek sex they did not seek

01:26:32.980 partnership they didn't seek work looking for food anything it got to the point where the females had

01:26:38.100 recluse themselves up into higher up nesting boxes and eventually their society crumbled because they

01:26:43.300 lacked the uh social ability to be able to procreate socialize and overall interact with each other

01:26:50.580 but that society that society though what happened was the males became feminized and we need the

01:26:57.380 males to be men to uphold the society so the women the female mice overtook the men okay hold on

01:27:06.660 here but here i'm just going to i'm not even going to give credence to your when did the study take

01:27:11.540 place so it was actually a recent study it was done by harvard you can look it up it's called first off

01:27:16.020 i don't give a fuck about ivy league schools we know that the people coming out of ivy league schools

01:27:20.980 are absolutely brain dead so uh like okay you went to harvard you did a study at harvard cool

01:27:27.540 i don't give a fuck about rats we are not rats we are humans so show me a study that says that there is

01:27:35.940 a better way to organize humans than monogamy so i'm not saying to organize it better than monogamy i'm

01:27:42.660 saying that humans have all the tools that they need to be able to function to have monogamy to

01:27:47.940 have every like literally everything they need right but humans keep finding a way to make their own

01:27:53.140 problems to create issues do you see kind of what i'm saying i'm sorry i know i'm not very good at

01:27:59.220 putting it into words but no but you're citing some harvard and the the study could have came from

01:28:05.300 santa barbara city college for all i care um you're citing this study about rats rats defecate

01:28:14.180 like granted humans fucking defecate on the street too i suppose how do we test our medicines

01:28:19.540 like all of our medicines yeah but it doesn't go rats and then it's immediately approved for humans

01:28:24.420 they do like in vitro in vivo studies then they'll test them on animals and then they'll test them on

01:28:29.700 humans and you'll have plenty of studies that are tested in rats oh look it works great in rats but

01:28:35.460 then you test on a human and they have tons of terrible side effects so just because there's

01:28:40.660 there's evidence of something working or not working in rats doesn't mean that that's necessarily

01:28:46.100 indicative of how that's going to manifest itself in humans and yes this is true but you can already

01:28:51.940 see the patterns that are starting to form is what i'm saying like the patterns of society starting to

01:28:58.020 slowly diminish by people not being able to hold down relationships a lot of people like birth rates

01:29:03.060 are slowly declining yeah but this is why we need to like defund social like social the social sciences

01:29:10.020 because they're all like bullshit and like okay cool rats did stuff like how's that relevant

01:29:18.900 what what uh discipline at harvard conducted this study was it like sociology or something i believe it was

01:29:27.620 i can am i allowed to look it up to show it to you or i mean i don't know if we'd be able to find it

01:29:34.500 but like it's called universe 25 but we really i mean i just don't take it's these are soft sciences

01:29:40.100 there's not like there's so many glaring issues if like they lack controls and like no so rat study

01:29:47.300 it was done over the course of 50 years with multiple different universes rats cool no not 50 rats

01:29:53.620 oh so 50 years of rats yeah basically 50 years of rats in multiple different universes that had

01:29:59.140 the same is this what the best institution of the supposed best institution of higher education is

01:30:04.420 spending its money on and granted it's private i think it's private so there's no public funding for

01:30:09.540 harvard but 50 years studying on rats what i really 50 years on rats i want to say something i feel like

01:30:17.620 sorry i'm not uh discounting what you said but i feel like maybe technology has more of an effect on

01:30:30.820 monogamy are you trying to kind of like advancement are you trying to kind of prove how even though what

01:30:39.700 you're given say like in the rat study or whatever like no matter what they're going to

01:30:44.660 go for what they're naturally selected to go towards yes yeah what was the study trying to

01:30:53.860 measure um it was trying to measure how if you have everything right so let's say there is no world

01:30:59.620 hunger let's say we don't need to work let's say we have everything handed to us we figured everything

01:31:04.660 out we solved every problem we have right eventually basically what the study is trying to say is that we

01:31:10.500 will get so bored and so out of our minds that we're going to start getting confused and not

01:31:15.620 knowing what to do with ourselves but how does that translate to monogamy or polygamy so it translates

01:31:21.380 to monog sorry it translates to monogamy and all this and basically what's happening with modern day

01:31:26.900 dating because in the study there was a point in time where um basically the subjects had started

01:31:35.380 declining in monogamy they started becoming more polyamorous right and then eventually over the

01:31:42.340 course of time it became no one was anything anymore nothing was breeding so i'm saying we could

01:31:48.980 be in that part of time in human history where we have everything we need basically handed to us

01:31:56.260 because what do we do we have our whole lives planned we go to work we go home we eat we sleep we

01:32:02.340 repeat okay do we not i feel like i kind of get i kind of understand what you're getting at but at

01:32:07.540 the same time although humans aside from rats although humans are naturally going to go for

01:32:14.340 things that they probably shouldn't go for like brian was saying like shoplifting theft all this stuff

01:32:18.980 like that and say non-monogamy there's also like a right and a wrong in society so you have to be able

01:32:26.740 to choose between those two and evidently and probably statistically i don't know the statistics on this

01:32:32.980 but monogamous relationships do succeed a lot more they do but if you've noticed throughout the

01:32:40.020 course of history the percentage of monogamous relationships has been going down so what does

01:32:45.300 that tell us about ourselves as a society and where we are i think like courtney was where

01:32:50.020 they've been going now technology has a major impact on relationships nowadays and i understand

01:32:57.220 the picture you're painting with the study but i also think that it doesn't apply to our society

01:33:03.860 nowadays because us humans aren't necessarily at a point where everything's handed to us

01:33:08.260 so that need for polygamous relationships isn't doesn't have a high correlation you don't see rats posing

01:33:17.300 for an instagram selfie case closed

01:33:20.260 i think it's technology i think rats aside i don't think it's rats rats aside though i think

01:33:27.700 you're kind of getting the wrong message from that because it's the whole easy times create weak men

01:33:32.660 so the utopian universe failed yeah because thank you bender the offender because the men

01:33:39.460 be the male mice became feminized and the utopia they're the um there was a universe the only one

01:33:45.780 that succeeded was the one where they gave them almost nothing and they had to basically fight for

01:33:50.340 everything so that was the that was the universe that succeeded so i think you're kind of getting

01:33:54.180 the wrong message from that because it's really about they had everything they needed so the men became

01:33:59.380 princesses basically yeah and it's also trying to and it's also trying to it's also trying to project

01:34:04.340 like a lot of our sexual behaviors are shaped by sexual selection pressures which means society

01:34:09.300 wasn't perfect we developed things based off of how we went like how things were in in our

01:34:14.580 evolutionary past we selected for certain things that gave us adaptations advantages for us to keep our

01:34:20.980 species going so when you have a study like that it's not measuring the same things the the circumstances

01:34:27.060 are not the same the control is not the same the situations are not the same so it's hard to

01:34:30.420 extrapolate that when it's coming from uh uh this utopian perspective like what she said like

01:34:37.300 essentially even if that was the case let's say hypothetically that human society was like that

01:34:43.300 i still don't think that would eliminate monogamy and i don't think that would eliminate monogamy

01:34:48.100 because that it would be another hundreds of thousands of years before the human brain develops past

01:34:53.540 its natural proclivity to form pair bonding relationships that sustain children because

01:34:59.300 human babies have the longest periods of infancy and and vulnerability and we have the longest

01:35:05.460 gestation period so it would take another hundreds of thousand years for humans to even evolve to that

01:35:11.140 point so i mean i reject your rat study but let's assume let's assume i accept your rat study uh

01:35:24.100 what are you trying to say that polygamy is desirable no no no what are you suggesting i'm

01:35:30.340 basically suggesting that everyone's like so caught up in social media in themselves and everything and

01:35:36.900 just what how do i word this um sorry just kind of how everyone won't like wants things oh my gosh

01:35:47.700 so sorry everyone's so caught up in like how society is now with social media and everything that they're

01:35:52.020 not focusing on actual bonds with people versus like uh like looking into actually raising a family

01:35:59.700 looking into all these other things instead they're more focused on like my picture oh this guy's cute

01:36:05.300 instead of more um like am i going to be able to be with this person forever do we benefit each other

01:36:13.460 equally will we be able to um basically succeed in life and upbring each other like pushing each other to

01:36:21.220 grow greater or you see what i'm saying you also have to remember a lot of people have or everyone has

01:36:27.700 their own intention like not everyone has the same goal well social media is making people disposable

01:36:35.540 particularly uh dating apps it's making people just you just swipe and they're on and people go see each

01:36:41.860 other and people are just disposable now this all stemmed from i think we're talking to you about

01:36:48.820 yes this dude you were dating and um i forgot exactly my the questions that i had for that but um

01:36:57.700 i think i asked you said he was not a high value man but you're a high value woman what makes you a

01:37:03.540 high value woman i'm focused on my education that's something i value i focus on exercising i'm nurturing

01:37:11.940 kind loving respectful i'm a great sister i'm very involved in my family i'm religious to an extent

01:37:22.340 i don't just sleep around with whoever i'm very selective about that i'm careful about who i surround

01:37:27.620 myself with i don't go out often i don't really smoke anything anymore at all like i had that time

01:37:35.380 period of when's the last time you talk about weed yeah and nicotine when's the last time you smoked

01:37:42.100 weed probably like a month ago and i don't do it very often is what i'm saying how when's the last

01:37:48.900 time you smoked nicotine like a month two i mean that's not a very long track record but i'm also

01:37:56.340 20 years old so you know what i mean like your age i mean i don't think your age is no i'm just

01:38:02.660 talking about like you know a high value woman is not going to be like a 16 year old girl like

01:38:07.620 i'm on the path to get there and some of my characteristics embody that and i want to continue

01:38:13.540 working towards that because i do you party on the weekends i haven't been lately the only time

01:38:18.740 i'm going to be partying this month is like after finals when's the last time you went out and

01:38:25.300 partied on the during thanksgiving that's different if it's holidays but like most people

01:38:30.100 here in santa barbara have to go out like once a week so but i haven't been thanksgiving was two

01:38:34.900 weeks ago yeah and i just went out because that was like a holiday and about before that from home

01:38:40.660 before that yeah stuff like that and then what about before that well i don't i don't really

01:38:47.220 remember but it was not often drunk no it just hasn't been that often but i think high value women

01:38:54.180 don't go out to bars and clubs and parties and get shit-faced and drunk and tanked but i'm not it's

01:39:00.100 not clear to me if you do but that's why i'm saying like i'm not trying to as much and when i do it it's

01:39:05.300 kind of to celebrate with my friends like we finished the quarter just to go out with like

01:39:10.500 my girls it's very interesting because men always think that women go out to go sleep with like men

01:39:21.060 but the thing is that's some great projection and i recently talked to some guy friends and we were

01:39:26.980 just having conversations like this trying to educate each other and they were saying nine times

01:39:32.580 out of ten when a man goes out he goes out with an intention of ultimately sleeping with a woman that

01:39:38.420 night but i was talking about when us women do i'm sure some of us do it with the intention of sleeping

01:39:43.860 with a man but a lot of the time we're doing it just to celebrate have fun like be a girl literally

01:39:49.700 just dance with our friends and make fun heartfelt memories i'm not saying some don't go out with

01:39:55.060 that intention of sleeping with someone but the intentions the majority of the time don't line up

01:40:02.420 they i'm curious and q i think you probably have something to weigh in on on that but if you're just

01:40:09.380 trying to have fun why not just have a night in with your female friends put on some music get some

01:40:16.980 alcohol and drink in your house why the need to go to very specific social gathering venues

01:40:24.420 where the drinks are really expensive people are drunk and obnoxious there's strangers there

01:40:30.100 it's sometimes unsafe it's sometimes dangerous um the music is perhaps too loud that you don't get to

01:40:37.060 pick the music that you want i'm just curious like what is the purpose of going to say a bar or a nightclub

01:40:43.620 or a party i think courtney has something to say before i did you well because it's like a big

01:40:49.700 playground everyone's drunk running around stupid it's fun it's not always the intention of hooking

01:40:55.540 up with someone and it doesn't have to be but some people have that intention that's okay and i think

01:41:00.500 i mean you guys can dance around like it's kind of the atmosphere you guys can you guys can dance around

01:41:05.060 it all you want but the reality is like people go to these very specific social gatherings for the

01:41:11.060 potential opportunity of meeting a new person some people i think you can women like to dance around

01:41:17.300 this but the reality is like you're you're going out and like you want to meet a guy at these parties

01:41:24.020 no yes you do not always sometimes you're in the mood for example we go out then why not just stay in

01:41:31.300 i don't get it well because the atmosphere can you the lights no the light the loudness oh the

01:41:36.900 lights there's yeah the dark like it's fun we go and you can't always have that loud music in your

01:41:43.380 go to your girlfriend's house brian turn the lights off get a laser pointer chase it around the ground

01:41:48.340 like a cat when we go out when we go out together and like the places we go out to we don't pay for

01:41:55.220 drinks because we don't like it's and we have promoters female privilege yes it's female privilege and

01:42:00.180 you're because you're mad that you're not a woman that's okay no i'm not mad i don't go to i don't

01:42:05.940 like i don't go this is where we go and we are very privileged people don't look at us maybe they

01:42:13.300 want to sleep with us but they don't act like that they respect us and they treat us like princesses

01:42:19.060 really the guys respect you at isla vista parties yeah okay no it's not in isla vista this is

01:42:25.300 oh excuse me you go to the the upscale luxurious santa barbara college parties no no no we drive we

01:42:31.380 go places we go to like we have our place hollywood in la oh you guys have fake ids

01:42:38.180 oh the the age of entry for establishments that serve alcohol is 21 you guys are

01:42:43.940 20 and 20 okay so you have fake ids cool i mean isn't that known like isn't that like

01:42:49.300 a yeah it's common but like i mean it's okay we're we're gonna be 21 in two months yeah whatever i don't

01:42:55.060 care nikki what do you bring to the table though because you say you're like a high value woman

01:42:59.140 and things like that and what makes you a high value woman you're going towards your education

01:43:03.460 you're religious you're focusing on your fitness but like that's such basic

01:43:07.300 that any woman could do i'll also i'd point out you mentioned like your person i don't think it's

01:43:12.260 such basic that any woman can do to be honest i think it takes that's like the most basic thing

01:43:18.580 like go to college go to the gym do you have like we've like subsidized people that shouldn't be going

01:43:24.020 to college going to college but okay no i'm not speaking about you i'm just saying like there's a

01:43:29.780 large cohort of people that's why college prices are so expensive because the government is basically

01:43:35.620 co-signing on these irresponsible 18 year olds taking out five to six figures of student loans that

01:43:41.700 they have no chance of repaying when they're pursuing their feminist studies and

01:43:45.940 bullshit with other degrees do you have like life experience do you know how to change a tire

01:43:52.020 no i don't know how to change a tire but that's where men and women differ so if you get stranded

01:43:57.700 on the side of the road you're not going to be able to change your tire yeah no i'm not so does that

01:44:02.420 mean she's a low value person no i'm just saying that there's a lot of like more things that you can

01:44:07.300 learn but i think that's why it's important for there to be like a great line between feminine

01:44:11.860 and masculine roles i'm a i'm a woman like i'm not so all those things that you're saying like

01:44:17.940 yes those those are like feminine traits that make a high value woman changing a tire isn't one of those

01:44:24.100 because i need like a man to do that maybe to you some guys might think a chick changing the tire is

01:44:30.180 hot as shit wait q did you have something on the whole club yeah yeah i was gonna say i was i was gonna

01:44:36.740 say um it's essentially for validation that's that's what it is everything else is rationalizations

01:44:42.820 it's essentially for validation when you said the free drinks the it's the acknowledgement it's the

01:44:49.380 rewards it's guys basically seeing you you being seen you being given things to free gifts it's the

01:44:58.660 opportunity to be in the atmosphere where you feel like you're valued you mean something and what comes

01:45:05.540 that what comes out of that often is if it's a club with a vip section if there's guys in there

01:45:12.260 who are high status they the top guys you get invited into the vip section you get special

01:45:17.620 acknowledgement you get special privilege you're essentially advertising yourself that's what

01:45:22.980 you're doing whether you want to agree with it or not whether you believe it or not you are

01:45:26.340 essentially putting yourself in a dating scene because that's why men go to clubs that's why men party

01:45:31.940 they know women are going to be there that's why y'all get in free that's that's that's an offering

01:45:36.900 to the men it's like you guys show up you guys got to pay what you got to pay but the ladies that y'all

01:45:42.100 are going to essentially be able to choose from especially if you're a guy with money you got a club

01:45:46.340 section you vip these are the women that we're bringing so we bring women in free y'all pick the

01:45:51.220 women that y'all want to choose from and that's essentially what it is it's an advertisement it's

01:45:54.820 an opportunity for validation and it's essentially being you serve to men on a platter if they want that from

01:46:00.660 you that's essentially what it boils down to you don't just and one thing and i'll let you respond

01:46:04.740 to him you say that you don't party a lot but you have found it necessary to get a fake id so that

01:46:12.180 you can party but i told you i'm still young so i'm still working but like you said you don't party a

01:46:18.660 lot but that's something i recently started doing why the need i had that since the end of my senior

01:46:24.100 year of high school brian so you've been partying i'm a junior at ucsb i i went through those phases

01:46:31.380 but in any point in anyone's life you're constantly being educated on new things so i'm i'm constantly

01:46:38.340 growing as a person and i'm going to be learning more and more as i go and that's something i've

01:46:43.300 recently started to value you know everyone kind of goes crazy like their freshman year of college for

01:46:48.100 example i think or at some point or another so that's at the point i am well let me just yeah and

01:46:54.260 i know you wanted to respond to q i would just say like gentlemen do not date current or former party

01:46:59.540 girls girls who go to bars clubs etc that's it that's all i have to say gentlemen i want you to know

01:47:06.980 that women and men have different intentions when it comes to that and i doesn't matter i understand

01:47:14.260 what you're saying because those are men's intentions and that's why they want the girls

01:47:18.900 there because those are their hopes but that doesn't mean the women will necessarily uphold

01:47:23.460 those hopes and intentions of the men to go out no it doesn't very different so there are going to be

01:47:28.900 some girls that go out and do have those intentions like i was saying in some men that will get those

01:47:34.500 wishes for fulfilled but then there are those women that aren't going to advertise themselves or end up

01:47:40.820 sleeping with those guys well just by virtue of you being in the club is advertising just by virtue

01:47:47.460 of you posting photos on instagram that is advertising men have you ever approached a guy

01:47:54.420 rarely rarely how often have you been approached i think you asked this in the last podcast but i

01:48:00.580 said it was like 90 that i'm like 10 me but like when you go out like you get approached a lot

01:48:06.580 right see this is i mean this is a difference between men and women is that so every time you

01:48:11.220 go out you're putting yourself in an environment to be approached especially if it's a bar or a club

01:48:17.700 but we could control how we react you you can you can honestly bar or club us women will be on the

01:48:25.700 street wearing sweats no makeup hair up we'll still get approached and again this is a mental difference

01:48:32.340 between men and women and it's about how we react well and just because we want to put ourselves in

01:48:39.220 an environment while you're young i'll literally call my mom and ask her like should i go out mom

01:48:44.180 because i'll still sometimes be like but i like want to celebrate and she's like you should because

01:48:48.420 one day you're gonna have children and like you're gonna have to watch them and you won't be able to

01:48:52.100 like be young and have fun like run free and like dance with your friends like she's not like

01:48:57.940 yeah like go sleep with some guy like no it's not like that it's kind of about also like

01:49:03.620 preserving your youth because all of these things become intangible one day you know i mean you can

01:49:09.940 if you were so inclined a 50 year old could go to some 21 year old hot spot if she wanted to i guess

01:49:16.740 but i mean also i would actually argue it's if you're trying to preserve your youth actually staying

01:49:21.540 out late drinking partying doing drugs smoking being in these stressful chaotic environments actually

01:49:27.700 could contribute more to you aging than if then not engaging in them you only live once

01:49:34.660 but like you drinking your soda could also contribute to you aging

01:49:39.860 is that a whataboutism i mean it's like affecting your immune system

01:49:44.420 i mean this is like a secret juice it's not first off i'm not drinking soda i don't know i'm drinking like

01:49:49.940 a lot could be said about different things you know what i mean like that that argument could be said

01:49:54.980 for so many different topics okay but i was specifically addressing your argument about

01:49:59.780 preserving preserving your youth by going out to bars and nightclubs look the difference is

01:50:05.140 is that men women are different in how they run game so to speak so i'm going to credit uh there's this

01:50:13.460 twitter thread that i've referenced before from ldg i want to give them credit of course so women don't

01:50:19.620 approach men they put themselves in positions where they could be approached by men like clubs for

01:50:25.060 example they're not going to dm a guy but they'll post pictures to lure men into dming them for example

01:50:31.700 on instagram men are salesmen women are marketers so the difference like most guys are just too naive

01:50:39.460 and lack the capacity to be able to identify this distinction so in a committed relationship i think

01:50:46.340 that men should stop pitching and women should stop advertising so

01:50:53.620 i think it's the case that like oh well you know as long as i'm not directly attempting to like

01:51:00.020 approach a guy that's not that's fine or if i turn down guys at bars that's fine

01:51:05.380 but that was women were never initiating conversations with men women were never initiating

01:51:12.900 conversations with men to begin with like we use different strategies to get similar outcomes so

01:51:20.020 it's just totally different and and behaviorally i get the i get the distinction that y'all make in

01:51:24.100 between like guys say i want to get laid tonight so i'm going to go out or the goal is to get laid

01:51:28.980 you don't say that you and your girls don't say that like oh let's go get laid tonight y'all don't

01:51:32.580 say that but what i'm saying is if your intent is not to get laid that doesn't mean you're not going

01:51:37.380 to get laid that doesn't mean you're not going to get to the club and see a cute guy and a cute guy

01:51:42.340 is going to approach you and your girlfriend's going to say oh you know well we'll let you go

01:51:46.660 back home with him or whatever the case may be a lot of the time this happens so so on the outside

01:51:52.660 looking in it's easy to say yeah that's not our intention but what we see actually happening in

01:51:57.460 reality is this is what actually happened women go out they end up getting fucked it's it's

01:52:03.460 me and my friends well well but i'm yeah i don't want you to personalize it but the but the the

01:52:09.220 point is this happens and it happens often it happens all the time it's going to happen tonight

01:52:15.300 everywhere it's part of being i think that's also but that but that's what we're saying so

01:52:19.700 also your perception because those are the experiences you've had and the women you surround

01:52:23.700 yourself with i'm sure you're a guy that goes out and gets laid so you assume that like all women

01:52:28.500 go out and get i don't party i don't party your club like i said oh so good for you again this

01:52:34.340 you've never had a one night stand of course i have like my freshman year of college and

01:52:39.700 i've been growing constantly growing like i'm saying and i'm not trying to do that so when i that wasn't

01:52:44.420 also my intention when i would go out it's exactly what you said like pretty much i like found some

01:52:50.260 people cute and i ended up sleeping with them but again there's that self-control aspect and you live and

01:52:55.860 you learn but please hold on i'm not finished go ahead finish your point so i also know this

01:53:03.220 distinguish between women when they go out and men when they go out so i'm not in a mostly like

01:53:11.220 celibate right now but i'm not gonna you've been celibate for a month by the way okay i was celibate

01:53:16.660 for nine months before and honestly it works wonders because as a woman i feel like it

01:53:23.140 deep blinds you and it really helps you see i'll take your word for it i just want to say one thing

01:53:27.060 to that a lot of i want to make let me let me just make one point and then i'll let you come in

01:53:32.500 gentlemen watching um i'm not doubting what she's saying it may very well be true i'll take i'll take

01:53:38.100 her word for it i do want to let you guys know a lot of women come on the show and say my body count

01:53:43.620 is this i haven't hooked up with a guy recently i'm celibate blah blah blah cameras turn off we talk

01:53:49.860 behind the scenes and they admit my body count is actually three times four times they'll say oh

01:53:55.300 i was five and then behind the scenes i'm not saying you they'll tell us the truth oh they said

01:54:00.660 they're single they actually have a boyfriend um they said they're celibate they fucked last night

01:54:05.700 so i'm not saying it's the case for hair but you guys do should take things with a grain of salt when

01:54:09.780 people say certain things so yeah okay not me but other people anyways okay um so that distinguish

01:54:19.140 that that distinction i'm making that makes me knowledgeable about the kind of guys that are in

01:54:24.180 clubs so i'm not going to want to seek out a partner in a club knowing that the majority of men

01:54:31.380 go for those reasons that's not really like

01:54:33.700 yeah loose energy donated two hundred dollars

01:54:38.740 fucking cap these three hundred and fours cannot stop capping get the out stop the damn

01:54:45.460 cap with all that bullshit yeah i said it do some hashtag nick paul's cap lol hashtag

01:54:52.820 fuck your rats hashtag get the rocks hashtag i want the smoke do you want to respond yeah respectfully

01:54:59.380 i don't know who hurt you but go to therapy who who hurt you lose pussy energy like no like go to

01:55:05.700 therapy like i don't know the woman hurt you but not all of us are like that and who who hurt anyways

01:55:11.060 do some introspection healing do it but um yeah so that's basically the type of point i'm trying to

01:55:18.180 make is i don't go there to seek out a partner because i know like the men out in the clubs are there

01:55:24.340 because they want to like sleep with the women at the club and you wouldn't date a guy who goes

01:55:28.980 out to bars or clubs maybe because like i said the majority but then there's always like those

01:55:35.220 outliers in any situation so do you think you're the outlier of the girls that go to clubs i think

01:55:41.540 the majority of girls do actually go out to have fun and that's what i'm saying that's that

01:55:47.220 distinction the majority takes two to tango to like hook up but not everyone's the same and i feel like

01:55:53.620 the outliers in the female population do go to like sleep with men and like seek out men not

01:55:59.300 necessarily in a college environment i just mean in a broad context because in college i feel like

01:56:05.860 people are in this independent era of their lives and they kind of go crazy at first and they do have

01:56:12.900 a lot of fun with that so i have a question for you um if let's say you found a high value man and

01:56:19.300 would you continue going to the clubs with your friends it would be that would be a conversation

01:56:25.860 for him and i because i could respect if a man has some trauma and or like trust issues or if you've

01:56:32.980 used that in a certain way then like i would probably stop but i wouldn't respect him saying

01:56:39.460 like well i would still want to go out that would have to be a conversation we would have but i would

01:56:44.260 still want to like go out with him if he doesn't let me go out with my friends i would be like okay well

01:56:49.140 what if you come with us or like you bring your friends i bring my friends what if he says he

01:56:53.700 he just doesn't go to bars and clubs and he doesn't want to go out with you guys

01:56:58.420 well like i said that would be a conversation him and i would have to have an openly

01:57:02.660 communicate but you know that going to the clubs portrays a specific image of you then so it's

01:57:09.220 obviously a conversation you would have to have so you understand what going to the club

01:57:13.140 also why does it why does him not wanting you to go to bars and clubs have to stem from him being

01:57:19.700 like a past trauma or him being insecure i assume that's what you said and you said well

01:57:25.540 if he's got a past trauma and we had to have a conversation about it what if he just didn't

01:57:29.700 want you to go to bars and clubs because i feel like any conception that anyone forms is based on

01:57:36.820 past experiences and i would think when like men think that what you guys think you've had

01:57:43.300 unpleasant experiences or you've had some girls that are just kind of like for the team and really

01:57:49.140 do sleep around that go out so then you form this conception that all women that go out are like that

01:57:56.100 if that makes sense so it'd have to be like a conversation we would have to have like a mature

01:58:01.300 open conversation well okay so but it sounds to me like you would not be willing for your boyfriend

01:58:09.140 maybe even husband to give up going to the club no i would be what you just that's not what it

01:58:15.460 sounded like could you rephrase that sorry well okay i asked you if your boyfriend said hey i don't

01:58:22.100 want you going let's say you ask the guy for commitment and he said i'm prepared to commit to you

01:58:27.220 however i don't want you going to bars clubs and parties anymore i would have to ask if he's

01:58:32.980 going to be going to them too let's say no then no i would think that like the relationship is more

01:58:41.780 important than that all right like that's actually one of the most beautiful things in human life is

01:58:48.980 any social relationships we have friendships are romantic so i'd be totally willing to sacrifice

01:58:55.380 going out as long as he is too for our relationship because i would value that more than going out

01:59:01.220 like if i was dying tomorrow like i would pick like the relationship over going i i left the relationship

01:59:07.780 because of that and i was like i was so miserable i hated it like i felt like i was like like obeying him

01:59:15.540 and like because he didn't want me to go out so i i was like not going out also but there was like

01:59:20.660 something that i just like was not happy about about that like i would like see my friends like

01:59:25.540 going out and like they were in relationships also but like they were having fun with their partners

01:59:30.100 and stuff like that and i just you're so young like i feel like if if you want to go out you should

01:59:35.620 want to go out don't just like accept like oh because he's saying like you know don't go out or whatever

01:59:42.020 then here question for the whole table do you guys think a guy not wanting his girlfriend to go

01:59:47.460 the bars clubs parties do you think that's insecurity do you think that's him being um controlling

01:59:58.260 yes very controlling i think it is insecure and controlling but again that's something

02:00:05.940 that needs to be communicated and there's a reason why a man holds those insecurities so what you call

02:00:13.220 what you guys might call insecure or controlling i call having standards and boundaries

02:00:21.060 but then why are you attacking her when it was she was trying to like make her not attacking her

02:00:25.780 yeah no attack that she's a high value woman i didn't i didn't use that as a cudgel to attack

02:00:31.860 her i was asking how she's a high value woman if she was high value she would respect her husband or

02:00:38.100 boyfriend or whatever telling her that he doesn't want to be in the clubs hold on high value man

02:00:42.820 donated two hundred dollars oh man he's about as high value as a used gum wrapper rat girl is weird

02:00:49.620 but fine as f i bet we all know the answer but let's have them rate themselves one to ten

02:00:58.980 wait what i bet we all know answers but let's have them write themselves one to ten

02:01:02.580 uh here high value man i want to finish off uh we'll get to that we'll get to the one to ten

02:01:09.620 questions stifler has it ready for us we'll come back to that okay thank you man

02:01:13.940 so i just want to say that i don't know why you titled yourself as high value man

02:01:20.020 he wouldn't be sitting behind his phone screen typing right now negative have you ever watched the

02:01:26.820 kardashians no i haven't you've never watched any reality tv no have you ever doom scrolled on tick

02:01:33.380 tock for two hours when i was younger yeah when you were younger yeah okay so what do you do for

02:01:39.780 i watch like videos that educate myself on what on like life on everything okay on the conversations

02:01:46.420 so how to make money like how to invest like how to have good relationships how to like love yourself

02:01:52.580 i'd rather spend my time watching educational self-improvement content like that and also

02:01:57.540 balancing it out this is a highly educational conversation we're having right now it is

02:02:02.740 yeah i'd rather spend thank you man i appreciate you um did you so you guys were saying it's insecure

02:02:10.580 i guess what do you guys think oh hold on we'll go around butler donated 200 is it about herpes is he

02:02:16.900 gonna mention herpes clubs all have genital herpes i can smell your answered lady parts from

02:02:23.540 well well let's be nice okay let's be nice for the health and safety for the people in that room

02:02:29.220 is herpes i don't think herpes is

02:02:32.500 can i ask you a question go ahead what is wrong with going to the club what is wrong for a woman to

02:02:39.780 go to the club i'm genuinely curious to know and is it going to clubs bars and like parties specifically

02:02:48.500 or is it just going out with the girls what's the difference what do you mean going out with the

02:02:54.020 girls going out with the girls like are they going to be like oh i just don't want you going out with

02:02:58.500 the girls in general which can range from literally getting our nails done going to the movies like just

02:03:03.540 having fun that's fine that's fine these are these are the just very specific social scenarios where

02:03:09.940 there's almost going to be an expectation that you get approached look i get it you girls might get hit

02:03:14.660 on on your way to trader joe's you're looking frumpy and you're wearing sweatpants i get that that happens

02:03:19.700 i'm not saying don't go to trader joe's but these are very very specific social gathering venues

02:03:25.140 they're high risk environments yeah and also i mean there's there's a whole bunch of concerns like

02:03:29.460 okay stuff getting put into drinks right guys constantly approaching you all night and we're

02:03:37.540 talking about from the context if you're in a relationship if you're in a relationship that's

02:03:41.300 that puts a man it uneases us because you go out whether you with your girlfriends doing whatever

02:03:48.100 having fun you have no intentions of getting laid or anything like that cheating those things can still

02:03:53.700 happen things that i can't say will can still happen and then if i told you i don't want you

02:04:00.020 doing that and one of those things happens to transpire how are you going to explain that to me

02:04:05.220 how how are you how are you going to tell me that i told you so and this is the reason that i told you

02:04:10.340 i didn't want you to do this or i i wasn't i wasn't um um um what's the word i'm looking for

02:04:16.100 fuck i forgot the word i i didn't want you to do it basically if i told you i didn't want you to do

02:04:21.780 it and you do it and something happens that comes back and puts our relationship in jeopardy

02:04:27.060 how are you going to reconcile with me and that relationship and that's essentially what it's

02:04:31.540 about it's minimizing the risk that anything harmful that could happen to you or our relationship

02:04:38.580 that's what it is it's mitigating that risk because women like to do things and believe

02:04:43.460 they're in full control this is not going to happen beaten cheeks donated two hundred dollars

02:04:48.740 my girl goes out all the time drinks even hooks up with guys at times but very secure in my woman

02:04:55.940 at least washing off after her hookups she even does off i am super secure in my future you brian

02:05:04.260 yeah i mean thank you beaten cheeks appreciate it man good to see you in the chat dude good to see

02:05:09.780 you did you want to continue yeah yeah i'm saying we have these conversations and we never look at the

02:05:16.260 realities of what actually can happen the possibilities the probabilities we have conversations in general

02:05:21.860 we say oh we don't like this we don't like that or this is insecure this is that but the reality is

02:05:26.180 these things happen they transpire all the time there are guys who they let their girlfriends go to

02:05:30.820 clubs they get cheated on their girlfriends get i can't say drugged yeah they get they know they

02:05:38.340 know okay yeah yeah that happens they might get taken into a bathroom it's just mitigating risk that's

02:05:44.740 what it is and as women women think oh you know this is not going to happen to me i'm in full control

02:05:50.100 but the reality is women don't know what the fuck is going to happen y'all have no idea what's going

02:05:54.980 to happen when y'all put yourselves in these situations just like you said and i just i'm not

02:05:58.340 picking on you but you said yeah i went to the club you had the one night stand or whatever yeah

02:06:02.660 i met a guy this that and the third y'all can't predict what's going to happen and that's just

02:06:06.660 the thing so it's better to avoid the risk altogether simply because you can't predict what's going to

02:06:11.060 happen and that's essentially what it is to us we're territorial we're protective we don't want

02:06:15.940 that to happen to you even if you think that never could the possibility still exists and we're just

02:06:21.060 trying to avoid that possibility you can call it insecurity if you want we call it territorial we

02:06:25.540 call it being protective we call it being a leader as long as you voice that i don't think it should be

02:06:29.700 an opinion like an issue if that makes sense did you have something i was gonna say it could happen

02:06:35.940 anywhere i mean like to be completely fair like differentiating from what area you live in

02:06:42.500 to everything i we're not saying it we're not saying that though yeah but i feel like even in

02:06:47.460 those places specifically why not go together like why not make sure she's safe why not have fun with

02:06:53.940 her why not that's a whole other thing hang out i i don't know what your views are on going out with

02:06:59.460 your girl but i think uh i just think going out in general and i perhaps i'm a bit risk averse in

02:07:06.020 this sense going out to these environments in general is dangerous to begin with like you've been

02:07:12.260 out to parties in iv right how many fights do you see when you go out and party in iv every single

02:07:18.180 fucking night right some dude fucking brain damage some 19 year old kid smacked his head on the concrete

02:07:25.540 brain damage rest of his life it's not worth it and like the thing is when you go out with your

02:07:30.260 girl especially if your girl is not like if she some girls might have a loud mouth right let me ask

02:07:37.700 you guys a question if you were out with your guy and some guy like walked by and said some shit to you

02:07:44.020 would you want your man to like defend you intervene on your behalf no because it doesn't matter i was

02:07:48.900 what does it matter i was but but i was just about to say i said i don't party your club when i'm 30

02:07:53.860 now when i was when i was 20 i went to a club when i was 21 i went to a club with my girlfriend

02:08:00.100 at the time and i don't like those environments i told her i didn't want to go but it was her birthday

02:08:05.540 and her older sister was like we going i got her you know i'm saying we all gonna go together it was

02:08:10.900 me her sister um her male cousin and just for example i hated it i did not want to be there didn't like

02:08:17.060 the environment she got drunk it was her birthday she got a little too drunk and when she was coming

02:08:23.700 back from the bathroom she bumped into a guy accidentally he goes watch where you're going

02:08:28.740 bitch like that so what do you think i have to do now now i gotta step in because you just you

02:08:36.020 disrespected my woman she can't help herself she tried to catch herself she couldn't help her sister

02:08:40.900 was supposed to help her her sister was going to help her because she went to the bathroom with her

02:08:44.180 but she stumbled and hit him he was like watch where you going bitch so now i gotta step in so

02:08:48.020 now there's a conflict in the club that i have to defend that i shouldn't have to because i didn't

02:08:52.260 want to go to begin with but i tried to be understanding and that's what ryan means by risk

02:08:55.940 averse too it's it's a risky environment not only for things regarding y'all drinks drugs all of that

02:09:02.020 stuff but conflict i understand all of this and i feel like it's all pointing fingers towards

02:09:08.180 the root issue at hand which is alcohol which makes people out of control that's why i think

02:09:15.780 it was really cool how you said you haven't been drinking for so many days because our society has

02:09:20.660 normalized it 34 but during my celibacy i was also like not drinking either i do it like periodically

02:09:29.540 because see what kind of issues like we run into like your girlfriend couldn't control herself she

02:09:33.940 stumbled upon someone people cheat on their partners that's the other men get into fights

02:09:39.780 it does like make people more aggressive it makes people have sex with people they didn't want to have

02:09:44.980 sex with so i feel like that's really the root issue at hand and that's also why i don't want to be

02:09:50.100 doing it as often so i i understand where you guys are coming from that's why i think it's very different

02:09:56.500 if like girls just like go out with their girlfriends to like a restaurant for example than in a club

02:10:02.260 because alcohol does pose a lot of issues and that's why if i had go get dinner that's yeah

02:10:08.100 and if i had a significant partner right now like i probably wouldn't want them to go out either

02:10:14.820 because then there's that risk of them cheating on you so i i actually value oh um your point a lot

02:10:21.220 actually it really like opened my mind and i probably if i had a boyfriend right now i probably

02:10:25.780 wouldn't want him to go out and i would respect him not wanting me to go out because there are a lot of

02:10:30.580 risks that would jeopardize the relationship or our safety especially the safety of a woman

02:10:35.620 and to add what q was saying um so if you're if you're a girl especially if there's alcohol involved

02:10:42.740 uh if your girl's mouthy like i've seen so many you can find fight videos online i've seen it in person

02:10:49.940 um where a girl will mouth off to some dude you can see this anywhere you'll see it like in a nfl game

02:10:57.220 in the stadium i've seen videos of there was this one video of this girl mouthing off to some dude

02:11:02.660 and then the dude who she was mouthing off to is like okay she's not a threat but the boyfriend is

02:11:10.020 i'm gonna scorch the boyfriend and he he just fucking boom clocks him cool brain damage good

02:11:15.860 times so it's just it's a risky situation to be in especially if you got like your girl's drinking

02:11:22.580 if she can be mouthy and like i bro it's you're it's at risk because a lot of women know that they

02:11:30.260 can mouth off to a dude and they're not going to do anything but if your boyfriend's in the picture

02:11:34.980 that guy who you're mouthing off to he starts looking redirects aggression to you oh okay he's

02:11:41.460 a potential threat boom now you're in a fight and that could be life-changing

02:11:45.860 shit people go to people go to bars and clubs they get drunk they punch somebody but the guy hits

02:11:52.500 his head on the concrete boom murder 20 years in prison or if you're on the receiving end of it

02:11:58.980 permanent you fucking die brain damage it's crazy so it's just not worth it um and then of course like

02:12:06.740 he was saying like if you go out like we as men if you guys are looking at us to be protectors

02:12:11.300 that's us being it like trying to protect you from risky situations and we know that like the guys

02:12:19.940 like you guys said the guys that go these environments might not be the most respectable

02:12:24.740 members of the community who knows what they might try to grab they might try to put something in your

02:12:29.300 drink they might try to yeah they're trying to get late they might try to grab up on you like we

02:12:34.580 don't we don't want you in that position that's us protecting you and wanting to protect the relationship

02:12:39.380 so that's why communication is is so important because if you're just telling your partner hey

02:12:44.420 i don't want you to go to a club i don't want you to go to a party and they're like okay why oh

02:12:48.660 just because i don't want you to go if you're telling them like oh these are the risk factors that

02:12:53.300 are going into it i would understand more but if you're just telling me no and you're like i just

02:12:57.380 don't want you to go i'm gonna think you're being controlling and trying to stop me and i i get

02:13:00.980 that i understand that um i a lot of y'all they idiots yeah a lot of y'all a lot of y'all they a lot of

02:13:07.140 y'all date guys who can't articulate themselves they don't know how to explain how they feel

02:13:11.940 and that's what you resort to you believe okay this is coming from a place of insecurity but when

02:13:16.900 you have guys like me and brian who know how to articulate ourselves i can tell i'm a great leader

02:13:20.820 in my relationships i know how to tell my woman i know how to express exactly to my woman why i don't

02:13:24.580 want her to do something and most of the time she'll understand i say most of the time because

02:13:28.340 sometimes you're hard-headed and y'all stubborn but most of the time she will understand okay i can

02:13:32.340 understand that and and to the guys out there watching it's it's easier to just avoid women who

02:13:39.940 enjoy doing things like she said like you said you felt trapped you you yeah exactly it was mine

02:13:46.500 wasn't just clubs or bars like mine i couldn't even go to like a trip with my girls to hawaii i wasn't

02:13:52.500 allowed to go to any concerts like the weekend concert like i remember specifically that i like

02:13:57.300 wanted to go with like my girlfriends and like he just like was like no you're not allowed to go do

02:14:01.860 any of that because of the reason that you guys had spoken about okay okay yeah so so it's easier for

02:14:07.380 the fellas out there y'all just date women or try to find women who value what you value who y'all ride

02:14:13.300 in the same circles y'all have the same interests assortative mating is a thing homogamy is a thing

02:14:18.340 date somebody who values the same things you value in terms of activities and things that you can do

02:14:23.620 because there are women who women are entitled to do whatever the fuck they want to do and as a guy

02:14:29.300 exercising good mate selection is understanding you have to eliminate those women from your dating pool

02:14:35.060 it's that simple yeah i agree because we would always go out when we were first dating so that

02:14:40.180 that kind of like twisted my mind i was like why why was it okay in the beginning and now it's

02:14:44.980 not like i got snatched of it right and i can understand that too with him switching up that's

02:14:49.300 another thing i agree yeah okay good good talk good talk i would also argue though like

02:14:59.140 as a guy we you mentioned like well there needs to be communication about this i would actually argue

02:15:04.820 that a good woman a high value woman you actually don't need to tell her she does this stuff

02:15:10.580 automatically oh so you just want us to do what you say you snap your fingers and we just know that's

02:15:14.660 not what i'm saying like you just know like that's just how you're coming into the relationship

02:15:20.500 yeah you lose interest in it essentially like i shouldn't have to tell you the stop club first

02:15:25.860 off i personally probably would not pursue a woman who even has a proclivity towards going out because

02:15:31.220 i don't i don't really drink i'll occasionally have like a beer a glass of wine rarely i maybe have

02:15:36.980 once every three months i'll have a glass of wine i never been blacked out i've got sick one time and

02:15:46.500 then after that i was like okay one two drinks max but i don't go out don't go out to bars don't really

02:15:52.340 drink so i'll give you ladies another example that speaks to brian point um the last relationship i was

02:15:57.460 in at my college i dated one of the women who was on the women's basketball team and the women's

02:16:03.060 basketball team they like to go out and club and party i mean college women they're always on the

02:16:07.940 road they play games i went to a division one university so they were super busy so whenever

02:16:11.940 they got the opportunity they went out when we got in a relationship she never wanted to go out with

02:16:16.260 them anymore like she would just tell them just go ahead i didn't even have to say anything i didn't

02:16:19.620 have to tell her i was uncomfortable with it i didn't have to express that she voluntarily gave that

02:16:24.100 up and then what that turned into is because she was one of the captains on the team she said

02:16:28.420 why don't we just have girls night in my room like they would literally just set up beer pong

02:16:33.620 in their in the room and they would play beer pong they would invite some of the men's team if they

02:16:38.420 wanted to come over they play beer pong we play what's the little game where you take the logs out

02:16:43.060 uh yeah jenga we play that it was really simple she she altered the way that she um heard fun for me

02:16:51.860 and the whole team followed behind that because she was a captain but i didn't have to say anything

02:16:56.100 because she already knew that that was risky situations and she respected me to the point to

02:17:02.340 where i didn't have to communicate that to her she just knew to do it i got a question for all the

02:17:06.660 girls here would you object to your boyfriend going to the strip club when you're during the

02:17:12.340 relationship we'll go around the table yes like what you know why don't you trust him

02:17:19.540 because like you go to that's kind of insecure naked woman that's kind of insecure though

02:17:24.420 controlling that's really controlling that you wouldn't let your boyfriend go to the strip club

02:17:28.100 other woman like tip me like i'll strip for you but oh but it's a boys night out like he wants to

02:17:33.780 hang out with his boys like have fun blow off some steam no oh okay i'd say as long as he's gonna

02:17:40.980 stay loyal and he's not actually gonna do anything i'd be fine with it okay that's fine do your thing

02:17:47.700 okay you'd be cool with him going to strip club as being a retired stripper i oh yeah i think it'd be

02:17:52.900 okay because when i danced the last thing i wanted to do was be with those guys i'm just here to get

02:17:59.140 your that's fair because i was i was gonna make the point go go please go i was gonna make the point

02:18:04.660 that the reality is though some of you might object to your boyfriend going to the strip club the

02:18:08.900 reality is his chances with the female strippers is like is pretty much close to infinity whereas

02:18:17.300 when you guys go out to bars and clubs you're if you were if so inclined to cheat uh probably like

02:18:24.020 90 of the dudes in the club would fuck you so that's the difference would and want to

02:18:30.580 you'd be cool with your boyfriend going to the strip club and i also think that it's a weird concept

02:18:34.180 it it the way that's how the boys have fun the way i envision strip clubs in my mind is like a

02:18:42.580 bunch of pathetic men getting together going to the strip club getting hard together and then going

02:18:49.380 home with i was actually a lot of your meetings there when i would work there uh why do it why do

02:18:56.100 you have to do i know men are much more visual like they seek out they value looks so much more and

02:19:04.180 like that visual aesthetic and i would actually it's life but i just think it's cringy and pathetic

02:19:11.460 and i just know what's cringy and pathetic women going out to bars and clubs and but we're talking

02:19:16.340 about in relationships like you guys were saying if i was in a relationship again i wouldn't want

02:19:22.580 my boyfriend to go out and like i would respect him not wanting me to go out so okay it's the same

02:19:28.660 thing if you're single do what you want to do i still think it's a little pathetic but you're

02:19:32.020 cool with the boyfriend going to the strip club into the mic please i'm kind of half and half i don't

02:19:40.740 like the idea if i'm being honest i don't i don't see why he would do that if he has his own girl

02:19:48.100 but why why go to the club if you got a man it's different how's it different it's different depending

02:19:56.340 on the situation like recently i went to the club with my friend to celebrate her birthday so it's

02:20:03.700 like i wasn't there with the intentions of pursuing a man if that makes sense did you get approached when

02:20:10.180 you went out i have before no that specific night though did you get approached i don't think so i don't

02:20:19.540 think so what about you no i would not it's it's not even a trust thing it's just it's a terrible

02:20:24.660 environment you okay maddie what about you absolutely not okay nope all right uh what about this what

02:20:33.700 about your boyfriend paying for another girl's uh or not another girl's but the girl's only fans while

02:20:39.220 in a relationship with you would you object to that yes i wouldn't date a guy like that

02:20:45.300 i mean it's just a subscription it's just like he's paying to see another girl naked like porn is

02:20:52.820 free yeah i mean even watching porn yeah that's bad you know what i think is there no like free

02:21:01.060 subscriptions no it doesn't no just say it's it doesn't really matter you're paying to see some

02:21:06.260 other woman maybe not yeah maybe not to pay because it's like come on man you can buy like

02:21:11.140 lunch with that not even for free it's it's human nature no it's not i think here wait let's go

02:21:18.020 around the table we sorry what was the question would you be cool with your boyfriend paying for

02:21:23.380 girls only fans no no but you can pay for mine i think your boyfriend should get that shit for free

02:21:30.660 but okay no and i think it does kind of controlling and insecure of you but there's like intentions behind

02:21:38.980 that like we're saying it's kind of like the same thing as watching porn i don't think it's normal i

02:21:43.220 think it's become normal and i think that it doesn't just impact relationships negatively i think it

02:21:50.740 impacts the people that are watching it negatively for example it gives you an overload of dopamine

02:21:56.340 which makes you procrastinate the goals you actually want to get to and going to nightclubs

02:22:00.900 bars and parties gives you an overload of those same exact chemicals because you're in a high energy

02:22:07.380 stimulating environment thank you brian yes and guys are hitting on you and you're getting attention

02:22:12.820 no but you're getting attention from other men and men and women value different things so men want

02:22:18.580 men want sex women want attention so you're getting attention from men whether you're you

02:22:24.980 intend to sleep with them or not so you're getting attention from these other men you're getting

02:22:29.300 validation from them so yeah but you're not getting you should be getting that exclusively from your boyfriend

02:22:35.940 yes we already talked about this that's why if i was in a relationship i wouldn't want

02:22:41.380 my boyfriend to go out and i wouldn't go out but anyways i think again it's oh so pathetic

02:22:45.700 for a man to like follow only fans or watch porn when he's in a relationship because then what's the

02:22:51.780 point of the relationship you might as well be single like that's a commitment you're committing

02:22:55.700 to a person to only sleep with them and see them in that sexual romantic light why do you need

02:23:00.420 to see other women like that strip club only fans porn would you like can we pull up nick can we pull

02:23:06.260 up nicole's uh instagram profile um would you be willing to make your instagram private or take down

02:23:12.660 certain revealing photos on your instagram in a relationship she's like hell no i don't know again

02:23:21.380 i would need to think of that wait but it's okay it's you would like i would not be would you be

02:23:27.700 would you be would you have an issue with your boyfriend liking other women's instagram photos

02:23:32.740 and like following ig models oh yeah okay but so you would be posting again but no i would not

02:23:39.940 honestly i wouldn't well but you do have those kind of photos on your am i in a relationship and

02:23:44.260 no but if you were i'm asking if you were in a relationship those types of pictures anymore because

02:23:49.060 again i'm constantly like growing but i know what you're talking about and i don't really post

02:23:54.500 pictures like that anymore like no but there's you still have them up okay and that was like part

02:24:00.100 of me i'm a different i'm still the same right but you could you can archive them you can yeah

02:24:04.340 i would yeah if he wants me to yeah you'd be okay with that okay that's fine yeah i think it's

02:24:10.340 little boy shit what's what's little boy shit watching porn like why don't you go

02:24:16.340 do that live action with your girlfriend like what if she doesn't want to yeah what if she

02:24:21.140 doesn't want to then you i don't know i think sex is a very important part of relationships dump her

02:24:26.820 and if he has to resort to porn then like okay wait you say dump her what if she's on her period

02:24:33.300 oh that's period sex you're saying you're saying like if it's i i was under the assumption you're

02:24:38.020 talking like there's a prolonged period of time where your girlfriend doesn't want to have sex with you

02:24:42.020 no not like a prolonged period of time let's say you guys just have normal sex and then you go up

02:24:45.540 to her you want to have sex tonight oh no that's not what i'm talking about i'm talking if like

02:24:50.100 there's prolonged periods of time where it's like a dead bedroom and you guys don't fuck anymore if you

02:24:54.820 if the woman wants to dump the man because he doesn't fuck her anymore that's totally valid too

02:25:00.340 yeah so do you have something i just had something to do like um with the only fans right um you

02:25:08.420 mentioned that like online content is like you know a big issue but before i mean yeah it did make

02:25:14.260 it more readily available but before there was online content there were magazines before there

02:25:18.340 were magazines there were hotels before there were hotels there were houses there were brothels it goes

02:25:23.460 back right so it's sex is a very natural thing for people and i think it's completely healthy where

02:25:30.100 if my partner like if i don't want to have sex with my partner they should be able to go wank off real

02:25:36.580 quick relieve whatever attention they have and get back to their day you know it's kind of it's

02:25:41.300 their body so i don't see why it would be wrong to have to watch something for it to happen because

02:25:47.060 it's just so natural i mean even in the wild like other animals will watch each other and jack off so

02:25:52.900 it's like huh um what you're saying you're kind of saying that porn has been seen in different sources

02:26:01.300 over the history of time but that doesn't change the fact that it's unhealthy that men going to

02:26:06.820 prostitutes like prostitutes being prostitutes brothels magazines that doesn't change the fact

02:26:11.780 that it's still unhealthy in a form of excessive dopamine so this is true i agree with that this is

02:26:19.700 true thank you but at the same time it could also create an issue because if you have like this

02:26:26.180 unrealistic ideology like let's say you're like oh i only want to have sex once a week and your

02:26:31.460 partner wants to have sex a little more often and you're like nope once a week and then you don't

02:26:35.540 want them to be jocking off you don't want them to be watching that stuff online right so then what

02:26:41.300 issue does that create for your partner they're stressed they're tense all the time they're probably

02:26:46.260 thinking about cheating because they're so riled up they haven't gotten anything and the way that they

02:26:51.540 are specifically they want it right wait i have something related to that in that situation who

02:26:57.380 should be making the compromise or is that something that should be determined on a relationship by

02:27:02.220 relationship basis should the woman try to compromise and be like try to have more sex with the man should

02:27:06.980 the man be like well okay well it should be distinguished like amongst both parties you know and if that's

02:27:12.500 something that you feel like like let's say you don't like your partner watching that stuff i feel like

02:27:17.860 that's something you should discuss really up front because a lot of men a lot of women a lot of

02:27:21.460 people you know are gonna be watching stuff like that and they're gonna be doing stuff especially

02:27:26.500 if they're not having their needs met you know what i'm saying i do have to move the conversation on

02:27:32.580 a little bit i actually have one last example here um let's say you were married had kids

02:27:41.700 and you were let's say you had three kids and it was getting kind of stressful and you wanted to hire a

02:27:48.100 nanny um would you have a preference for example maybe hiring an older nanny compared to like a hot

02:27:56.340 19 year old nanny i'd say it depends who has more experience because for all we know the 90 year old

02:28:03.460 nanny might have only been a nanny for two years 19 year old well the 19 you never know she might

02:28:09.300 have been a nanny from when she was 12 13 who knows yeah who knows you know it just depends on the

02:28:14.260 experience level but i do i do think it would be the case that like a lot of wives would probably

02:28:18.420 prefer having maybe hiring the less attractive nanny than the like hot super hot nanny how do they not

02:28:28.900 trust their husbands are they insecure or could it come down to there's temptation and there's opportunity

02:28:36.260 and the means so i think in that situation instead of worrying about who's hot who's not you should

02:28:44.820 think about who has more qualifications to be watching your child like if they're gonna know

02:28:49.380 what to do equally qualified equally qualified whoever i gotta pay less say exact you pay them

02:28:56.260 the exact same i would look i'm not saying all women would choose this but i think

02:28:59.380 all things being equal a lot of women might opt to hire the less attractive one some might not care

02:29:07.300 but oh yeah absolutely i mean i think there's a little bit less risk with like the older one

02:29:13.060 because i feel like maybe the younger one will be like on the phone and like what if my baby like

02:29:16.900 falls or something you have to assume in the scenario that they are going to take care of your child

02:29:21.540 just and i feel like the older one will like be more wiser like be able to teach me like little

02:29:26.660 things like oh like you should wrap your baby like this or just like more tricks i feel like a

02:29:31.140 19 year old won't know those types of things okay he just said they have the same experience like in

02:29:39.460 everything like the hypothetical was that if all right here we're gonna move on i need to read a

02:29:44.100 couple chats we have tj king hey thank you man ladies do you think married women in today's society

02:29:48.420 do not notice the man's efforts to support her and the children ie wife you don't spend enough time

02:29:53.780 with me husband i work 68 60 to 80 excuse me 60 to 80 hour weeks do not notice the man's effort to

02:30:03.140 support her and the children um do you guys want to answer that going around the table

02:30:10.180 i think that that contributes to a lot of problems in mature relationships because obviously us women want

02:30:17.620 our man to be hard-working but then us women do like attention and validation like you guys are saying

02:30:23.780 like in a relationship we do need that attention validation like show us that you love us like

02:30:28.580 even though we're together and committed like constantly you show us that um but i think that

02:30:36.420 if you want as women if you guys want a top g you're going to have to make certain compromises

02:30:42.420 when it comes to the attention that you get from this guy because if you want a very high earning man

02:30:49.220 which a lot of women are attracted to men with high status or who are high earners dude's probably

02:30:55.780 going to be busy probably not going to be able to spend as much time with you as your boyfriend in

02:31:01.460 college that didn't have jack shit going on so yeah definitely but there just needs to be some

02:31:08.580 communication about that or him doing like as much as he can to give anybody have any other thoughts on the

02:31:16.100 chat or okay all right yo we got cheeks here beating cheeks hey thank you man

02:31:22.740 a high value woman is a traditional woman who has good religious values virgin not fat that will

02:31:28.580 not be a headache to any man men do not care about your college education your travels or exes

02:31:34.020 that's facts that's facts facts does anyone disagree with that i kind of do because okay i mean like

02:31:48.180 if it doesn't matter about your college degree or anything then are you just picking a woman

02:31:52.180 because she's pretty like do you not like this is the woman that's going to be raising your kids and

02:31:58.340 you're saying a college degree isn't important what is not important at all yeah that doesn't

02:32:03.380 necessarily correlate sorry yeah you'd be a wife or a mother but um i what i'm just trying to kind

02:32:10.340 of get at was mainly just like education in general like in life skills you know you're saying a high

02:32:14.900 value woman is just going to do whatever you say but if someone's agreeing with you all where is it

02:32:20.900 unless you got a degree from how to be a wife university well if she's just agreeing with

02:32:26.580 everything then you have no growth either no well first off some of the most stupid and brain dead

02:32:32.740 people have college degrees like just because you were able to sit there and let's basically college is

02:32:43.540 is um is a five figure you you basically want somebody to read to you um like

02:32:54.500 congratulations you're able to be a cog in the machine and complete the tasks i i don't think college is

02:33:00.340 really pumping out any anything really spectacular intellectually so yeah kind of where i was like

02:33:05.940 going with that was more on like education on like how to do real life things um college no

02:33:13.300 sorry um just what i took away from him basically saying college degree was like

02:33:18.180 kind of an education well i mean essentially what he was what he was saying was if you ask women what

02:33:25.220 do men when you ask women what they bring to the table they often say college education i'm educated

02:33:29.780 i'm educated i'm educated yeah so what he's saying is men don't care about that and it's not that we

02:33:35.540 don't care about that's not our predominant that's not our preference like we don't value that if

02:33:39.700 there's a if there's a hierarchy of things that we value in women college education is not going

02:33:43.860 to be at the top we have a preference for youth and beauty uh uh how kind you are how feminine you are

02:33:49.540 like things that actually make you enjoyable to be around and a mentality and attitude that can raise

02:33:56.580 our kids that's what we value more than the college education this is very true but how are like

02:34:03.140 looks and femininity and all like that all of that going to actually raise your kids that's

02:34:08.900 attraction you got to create them that's what starts your connection yeah how is how is your

02:34:16.260 degree in what's the fucking the degree that people have women's studies women's studies women's

02:34:24.260 studies yeah in feminism how's that going to help you raise your children congrats you have a bachelor's

02:34:30.020 in feminist studies i mean shoot do you learn a little bit of history in that you you learn false

02:34:35.300 history and bullshit and man-hating well actually i would argue that if you're if your college degree

02:34:41.700 is in feminist studies that makes you barred you should be barred from having children and families

02:34:48.180 because if you birth a son you're going to hate your son if you have a husband you're going to hate

02:34:52.340 your husband so no i don't i don't think getting and also the reality is i think in a lot of universities

02:34:58.660 uh i think it's a requirement in my opinion i don't know do you have to take any like sociology

02:35:04.740 or feminist studies classes as general education sociology yeah you got to take sociology but i feel

02:35:12.180 like you can like pick to like what you want to take congratulations you've just learned how to hate

02:35:17.220 men cool essentially basically that's what that is i think that at all these all these college

02:35:24.420 institutions are just churning out man-hating women basically that's what they are they're

02:35:30.580 indoctrination factories believe this all 99 of my professors are probably liberal okay i'm going to

02:35:36.980 believe the main the main storyline and i also believe in feminism and men are terrible and men are

02:35:43.300 oppressors even though 60 of college graduates are women are women and women don't have any

02:35:49.460 opportunities and there's male privilege even though i'm more educated than my male counterparts

02:35:54.660 so hello sorry i'm just ranting that facts it's facts that's true i agree too what do you disagree

02:36:04.260 with on that oh just the fact that what do you disagree with that colleges are teaching

02:36:08.980 that now they are instead of like actual science well most women don't major in in stem they don't

02:36:17.140 major in any of the in any of the sciences those are predominantly still men most of most of most of

02:36:22.420 the nursing education the feminine studies all of those liberal arts those are predominantly women

02:36:29.700 women are getting degrees mostly in those fields nursing is probably the most useful field that

02:36:34.340 most women get degrees in your college education does not make you more attractive

02:36:45.860 i think college or not i feel like everyone's attracted to education like even if it's not

02:36:51.060 through college just someone who has the same values and morals as you and the same ideas as you

02:36:58.900 whether college has to do with it or not you know and i and i i made a video i made a video talking

02:37:04.100 about that i said women who think men should value their their education and their degrees why don't

02:37:09.380 we take only fans and we substitute it with degrees we turn it into only degrees and see how much money

02:37:15.700 women make by posting their degree degree ass white girl a woman with fat ass degree like why don't we

02:37:23.460 why don't we take only fans and substitute all the adult content that's posted on there with women

02:37:30.260 posting their degrees and their education and their credentials and see how much money they make

02:37:36.020 that shows you what men value right there i think the guy's comment itself was just stupid

02:37:42.580 the traditional wife is a virgin and yeah uh the traditional wife being a virgin and things like

02:37:52.660 that like automatically if you want your partner to be a virgin and and you're not like i think i don't

02:38:00.260 think there's anything wrong with that i think people just have their own what's wrong what's wrong with

02:38:04.580 wanting a virgin why why is that like the perfect girl why why is that because she hasn't been sexually

02:38:12.580 conquered by anybody yet so stupid it's what it's what men are attracted to actually yes nick i think we have

02:38:21.300 those already pulled up i mean look it's uh one there's hold on hold on nick hold on i mean one

02:38:28.660 std risk so a woman who's a virgin like absent her getting something from her mother in childbirth

02:38:35.860 very unlikely to have an std a woman who's okay cool you get tested you have herpes congratulations

02:38:42.900 don't be with them then wait what but okay if you're if you're promiscuous if you sleep with

02:38:48.580 a lot of people then you the likelihood of you having a sexually transmitted disease is higher

02:38:56.020 yes absolutely and sometimes they're asymptomatic and you can pass it along to your partner the other

02:39:00.180 thing is when women have had a lot of sexual partners uh their ability to pair bond with future

02:39:07.540 partners is greatly diminished the likelihood of infidelity is much higher the likelihood of

02:39:12.660 reporting relationship and marriage dissatisfaction is much higher uh what else there's the likelihood

02:39:20.180 of divorce is much higher and they've done studies on this

02:39:25.140 and also like men in the the women value experience whereas as a guy you women like men who are leaders

02:39:33.620 as a guy if you have sexual experience you will be able to have good sex with a woman who's a virgin

02:39:39.380 it's not clear to me if women seek out virgins like to have really they actually don't they

02:39:45.540 actually don't prefer that according to the research and my last two girlfriends were both virgins i'm not

02:39:51.700 a virgin i i i know how to date i know how to fuck so but essentially i turned them out they imprinted on me

02:39:59.300 i liked i liked making them like feel like they were mine that i'm i became the standard of what they're

02:40:06.180 used to it's an ego stroke it's ego boost i'm not gonna lie about that i put it on the right she'd be

02:40:11.540 like ah all i can think about is you all i realize you you're the only thing i know that that that's

02:40:15.700 attractive to me i like doing that and i'm sure there are men who feel the same way so of course

02:40:19.620 it's an ego stroke it's an ego boost you got to it first and they were my girlfriends i made them

02:40:23.780 my girlfriends that's only fair if you a virgin i'm gonna make you my girlfriend like we can we can

02:40:28.660 work towards something now i'm not like that a woman doesn't have to be a virgin for me but i don't

02:40:33.540 want her to have been around the block i don't want her to have had a whole bunch of casual sexual

02:40:38.500 encounters and that's understandable yeah yeah and that's you can totally have the preference of just

02:40:42.980 like have a normal amount of partners yeah but normal normal in today's day and age is like

02:40:49.700 by the time she's 21 she's slept with 10 plus guys i so i don't want normal and she lost her virginity

02:40:58.740 at 18 or younger typically younger it honestly depends on the state in the area yeah i was gonna

02:41:05.940 say like 90 of the girls in my area in san diego in my vista area i don't it's in yeah that's a city

02:41:14.820 in san diego okay is what they're just trad wives is that what you're saying no they're california is

02:41:22.660 pretty degenerate when it comes to sex so i'm assuming that like probably are you saying women

02:41:29.860 in your area have a low body count in san diego saying it was like super liberal progressive i don't

02:41:35.620 know about that but we aren't a lot of madison's from wait it's facts yeah you're from san diego okay

02:41:43.620 where are you from i'll tell you after heard also men just biologically are attracted to women who

02:41:53.220 are not promiscuous so virgin is like the epitome of non-promiscuity do you disagree that men are not

02:42:01.380 don't have that are men are not biologically attracted to non-promiscuous women i'm not disagreeing

02:42:08.980 with that i think it's definitely like a possible thing but i've also met men that

02:42:15.940 are remember remember the conversation we had earlier when we were talking about sexual competition

02:42:20.260 and how we evolved to be monogamous because of our polygamous past so it speaks to that so if men

02:42:26.900 develop spurn competition that mean men were fucking the same woman all throughout our evolutionary history

02:42:32.580 and those men couldn't tell who the child's father was paternity uncertainty which means one way to

02:42:39.780 combat that is to simply have a virgin but that's the scientific explanation for why we're repulsed by

02:42:44.980 women who are promiscuous because we have that same wiring in our brain that that evolved that was passed

02:42:50.980 down we have that same repulsivity that same repugnance for a promiscuous woman because it signals to us

02:42:57.300 this woman could have us taking care of another man's child and that's disrespectful to a man

02:43:02.660 unknowingly for him to be taking care of another man's child it's not just disrespectful it is the

02:43:06.900 biggest l of betrayal yeah like to raise to think the child is yours think you've passed on your genes

02:43:14.660 but in actuality this chick is essential could essentially be stealing away your lineage that's

02:43:21.540 the biggest fucking l a guy can take in life is raising a child you that he thinks is his that

02:43:28.020 actually isn't doing everything you can to provide protect provision for a child that's not that's why

02:43:34.180 men care more about this because as as women if you have a kid in all situations you know the kid's

02:43:40.580 yours it could be from this guy from that guy from this guy you know with certainty it's yours because

02:43:45.940 that comes with the fact that you're the ones who actually birth the children however as guys

02:43:51.220 there's not really a way for us to 100 percent know at all so one of the big ways we can look at

02:43:57.540 that and this is just comes down this is just in in the same way that why are women attracted to tall

02:44:02.100 guys i mean you like a taller bigger guys more capable of physically protecting you a woman who's

02:44:08.180 promiscuous is more likely to essentially be cucking you that's also why we get jealous as well a lot of

02:44:15.220 people think jealous i mean essentially jealousy is a byproduct of us deterring potential threats to

02:44:22.660 our woman we get jealous at any perceived threat because of course that raises the risk of you

02:44:27.940 sleeping with him getting pregnant by him and then i'm raising another man's kid so it's better to just

02:44:32.260 deter that man through jealousy if a woman knows her man is jealous she's less inclined to cheat

02:44:37.060 not all the time because i have experiences where i had really jealous boyfriends and they cheated

02:44:47.940 yeah well i'm i'm talking about why jealousy exists it don't have to be all the time but in general like

02:44:52.740 this is what's been measured and this is what's been found scientifically that's that's why jealous

02:44:56.900 that's why we get jealous essentially okay yeah here let me get a couple chats here we have

02:45:01.140 oh wait did i read i don't know yo thank you cheeks when i go to strip clubs i go to look at

02:45:07.700 the menu for the food ignore the waitresses and dancers and thoroughly enjoy what type of dressing they

02:45:13.060 put in the salad bars never to seek attention there you have it real quick can everyone pull their

02:45:19.140 mics towards the end oh yeah the mics yeah yeah thank you thank you for thank you for pointing that

02:45:25.300 out nick we have stagner what makes a woman high value to a man looking for a partner is that she

02:45:32.020 acts and lives her life in a way that he trusts her to always make the right decision going to the club

02:45:37.380 does not affirm that well put snack stagner thank you man appreciate appreciate the chat we have uh

02:45:45.940 oh one thing on the club thing um related to what stagner was saying i mean i think the boundary as a

02:45:52.100 guy of not wanting to date a woman who goes to bars clubs and parties is a perfectly reasonable

02:45:57.220 dating standard for commitment minded men and i think it acts as a great filter against independent

02:46:04.340 women who think that they can kind of salute around toe around while having a stable dude as a safety net

02:46:12.580 like a lot of women claim that men are commitment phobic but when we say here's what we need

02:46:18.820 for you to secure our commitment you guys don't want to make a lot of compromises it seems so

02:46:27.380 that's one of the reasons i'm single you must be dealing with some pretty shitty women

02:46:31.940 it's women who stuck in their own head no i'm actually all most of the women i've dated were not

02:46:37.540 even before dating them they weren't going out to bars and clubs anyways so i i just because i it's it's

02:46:44.500 not even just like a standard or a boundary it's just a a mismatch of values like i don't go i rarely

02:46:52.660 drink i don't go to bars i don't go to clubs i don't go to parties so in addition to me just not

02:46:57.380 wanting it in a partner i don't do it myself so i feel like i wouldn't have a lot of a lot in common

02:47:03.300 with like give me a shy nerdy library chick or some i don't want i don't want the party girl

02:47:08.580 um so here we have a chat here from praxis brian i have excellent news you're a hypothyroid as it

02:47:16.660 means you're medically disqualified from joining any branch of the military in any capacity okay you

02:47:22.180 and anyone with health health issues like asthma hiv cancer is safe from the draft also warfare is good

02:47:27.860 for men uh i say competition i don't think warfare is good for men like

02:47:35.620 like all the vets that went to world war one and world war ii probably were not like yeah the

02:47:43.300 fucking glory of war like no trench foot chemical gas um actually do we have i don't know if we can

02:47:49.860 pull up photos of men who have been who suffered from like mustard gas and shit during world war ii but

02:47:56.180 uh trust me dude like there's no glory in in war um so yeah warfare is good for men

02:48:05.540 no dude warfare almost uh i mean look like being part of the military can instill discipline and

02:48:12.820 structure in your life and stuff but actual warfare that breaks men that breaks men so

02:48:21.700 uh jj supply and demand obesity is a problem in usa and hot girls are in low supply and in demand

02:48:28.900 the few who are attractive can get whatever they want from men with a little effort countries without

02:48:32.740 obesity issues have women who are multifaceted and hot because they have to compete for men

02:48:41.780 word thank you jj um oh that's not fair what do you mean let's fact check yeah i feel like that's

02:48:49.300 like kind of like fat shaming what do you what do you mean like is he saying that obese girls like

02:48:56.340 they don't get that they don't they're not considered hot and they're in low demand he's talking about his

02:49:03.860 own preferences oh wait what you said it was fat shaming yeah i did i thought he was saying like

02:49:12.820 obese women like they're in low supply or like it's like not not no hot girls are in low supply

02:49:21.380 in demand because obesity is a problem in america is what he's saying wait let me ask you guys a

02:49:26.820 question would you object what's the problem like if you just because it's unhealthy a woman

02:49:32.500 well i mean if a man wants that yeah but let me let me ask you guys a question bbw is the most looked

02:49:37.300 up in porn i thought it was lesbians but it it doesn't mean that they're not gonna die earlier from

02:49:44.100 like heart failure and also i feel like that's a fetish wait let me ask you a question would you

02:49:50.020 object to a guy not wanting to date a woman purely just on her being overweight do you object to that

02:49:58.660 do i object to a man not wanting to be with a woman not wanting to date a woman just because she's

02:50:04.740 overweight that's his choice but do you object to his choice that's his choice right but do you object

02:50:12.420 to that choice but that's his choice that's you're not answering my you can repeat yourself

02:50:18.580 but you're not answering my question do you think it's wrong like you can realize like who am i to

02:50:24.660 who the fuck am i to say you're wrong and right like but do you think he's shaming yeah do you think

02:50:29.300 that's fat shaming in a sense maybe yes

02:50:36.980 okay i'm trying to think how i frame the question he doesn't like bigger girls and do you think that's

02:50:42.020 wrong in his right that's his own preference that he doesn't want bigger girls he has an opinion he's

02:50:51.940 he's okay to have that we'll come back to that donated two hundred dollars the whatever podcast

02:50:58.260 has been accused of making women look dumb but it is women who week after week volunteer their stupidity

02:51:04.900 today's feature is in green black and floral tops okay um do you guys want to fire back it

02:51:14.980 i mean they're the one who spent it's just another fucking loser behind a screen yes

02:51:26.100 okay shots fired um wait so okay we're considered dumb because we're sitting on this podcast no

02:51:32.980 don't worry about it okay so yeah you can't take it though all right they're just mad because they're not here

02:51:37.940 super super super mad um do you think it's like superficial or shallow or wrong or any any sort of

02:51:50.340 way for a guy i just think that it was a little like unfair no no forget the chat i'm asking you a

02:51:56.180 question related to the chat but do you think it's wrong for a guy to not want to date she could

02:52:02.340 let's say she's a fantastic woman would you object to a guy not wanting to date a woman who's overweight

02:52:12.420 i would think

02:52:17.380 you can answer the question go ahead i wouldn't think it's fair say with your chest what i wouldn't

02:52:23.540 think it's you would you wouldn't think it's fair but we're we're in dating this fairness exists

02:52:28.020 we're in attraction does fairness but like what if she was like um what you guys were talking about

02:52:33.540 like like a virgin and like all these other things but she's just overweight the number one factor that

02:52:38.660 could be changed though like that yeah but work on that yeah you can but the number one factor in

02:52:44.020 attraction as men like a health condition what if she has like their thyroid problems or something like

02:52:49.940 that and she just like that that does bother you then that doesn't that but look let me let me

02:52:55.060 that doesn't change the visceral response we have to seeing a woman when we see a woman and a woman is

02:53:00.500 attractive subconsciously we have a response we release serotonin nor epinephrine these are responses

02:53:08.740 that we have to seeing women who are attractive if we don't get that response and it's because she's

02:53:13.620 overweight we don't get that response i agree and i'm not saying you know don't put your health and

02:53:20.100 make it like a priority but i was just saying like i just didn't think that that's fair that like

02:53:25.700 i just don't understand what preference is unfair yeah it's a preference like does anyone here before

02:53:31.060 i have anybody else come in does anybody agree with her anybody agree no do you agree nicole

02:53:40.100 anybody okay um wait hold on let me let me yeah how would you feel that wait if i was obese that

02:53:46.900 makes me unmarried or unmeritable no no i'm like unwifeable and no no i'm not high value just because

02:53:53.780 i'm overweight no what what we're saying is that men have a preference for slimmer bodies especially it

02:54:00.500 can be context specific because um weight is the one fee like the one factor that is variable cross-culturally

02:54:08.660 dependent on where you are so if you go somewhere where food is scarce women who are heavier would

02:54:13.940 probably be more desirable because it speaks to them being healthier but where food is abundant

02:54:18.740 you would like smaller women so in the west food is abundant we're we're overweight women are overweight

02:54:24.340 so that means they're consuming too much and not doing enough exercise but what we're saying and what

02:54:29.300 i'm saying is i just wanted to ask if your boyfriend was to cheat on you with a fat woman

02:54:34.260 how would that make you feel oh that would hurt my feelings that would hurt your feelings right

02:54:41.540 like not even just the cheating itself but the fact that it's a fat woman

02:54:45.300 would that would that just in general that i got cheated but wait because because women are women

02:54:53.380 engage in intersexual competition too so one of the things women will shame other women for is being fat

02:55:00.180 so that's why i said that women call each other whores they talk about how old they are and they

02:55:04.820 talk about being fat so you know that being fat is not inherently desirable to men you would feel

02:55:12.340 more offended if your guy cheated on you with a fat woman because you'd be like really like the

02:55:17.380 bitch is fat and i'm admitting to that but i'm not gonna sit here and like be mean to bigger women

02:55:23.060 or like bully them because that's just not in me i'm not i i like think all women are beautiful

02:55:28.580 i was just sticking up for that are all men beautiful yeah in their own way yes everyone

02:55:33.460 but are all men desirable are you physically somebody yes no but everybody is for somebody

02:55:39.460 i believe that i my question that i asked you was do you object to a guy not wanting to date a woman

02:55:45.860 because she's overweight and you said yes you do you would object to that you think it would be unfair

02:55:51.940 to judge a woman based on her weight however you wouldn't just date anybody would you no

02:55:58.580 i'm sure do you have criteria and standards and preferences are but are some of those physical

02:56:05.140 preferences that's what he thinks though no but you would object you said you'd object to it you think

02:56:10.100 it'd be unfair yeah but that's his own opinion that's what i'll tell you i'm five seven

02:56:17.060 would you date a guy who's shorter than you no but i have well yes so that's unfair yes that's

02:56:25.540 unfair that you and first and i would also point out height is totally out of a guy's control you

02:56:32.500 can't control your height as a guy as a woman or man you can control your weight so i would actually

02:56:38.500 argue it's much more it's much more unfair to judge a man by his height than to judge a woman by her

02:56:43.940 weight however it's totally cool women will actually insult short men they'll use it as an attack

02:56:51.940 uh they'll make tick tock videos saying you must be this tall to date me blah blah blah but if a man

02:56:58.500 were to say i wouldn't date a overweight woman there are men though that prefer that though yes there

02:57:06.020 are i would say most don't though and i'd say the men that prefer overweight women they do it out of

02:57:11.060 necessity because frankly they aren't capable of securing a partner who is more trim are you calling

02:57:17.620 them insecure no i'm not calling them insecure but like the reality is a lot of men date

02:57:23.540 necessitously is that even a word necessitously i don't know if that's a word you might have made

02:57:29.300 that one up they i might have made that one up they date out of like most men have very few options so

02:57:37.300 i think the saying goes i haven't i haven't used this one in a while um women date who they want men

02:57:43.620 men's well no it's women sleep who they women sleep with who they want men sleep with who they

02:57:48.580 can yes so if that's your only options is a look there's some men with fetishes that's fine those

02:57:54.180 are outliers the majority of men probably prefer prefer women with a healthy bmi and who are not

02:58:00.500 overweight and obese

02:58:06.260 let me ask what's do you have a height minimum when it comes to who you date not a minimum but like i would

02:58:11.460 prefer somebody that's at least like my height five seven and above which i don't think is that

02:58:17.140 difficult how tall was your last boyfriend we were the same high five okay maybe he would have been

02:58:23.140 five eight right so the reality is most women would probably prefer to date a guy who's taller than them

02:58:30.900 nobody bats an eye at that but when a guy says i don't want to date a woman who's overweight

02:58:35.140 oh my god that's jamming insecure blah blah i didn't say he was insecure

02:58:39.700 you well okay you said you object to you said you object to a man not wanting to date a woman who's

02:58:46.340 overweight go ahead and i think it goes both ways too because when you are looking at a potential

02:58:51.860 partner that is overweight you got to think about when i have kids a it might be harder for them to

02:58:57.060 have kids b they could have develop heart issues like like heart's disease not to mention they have a

02:59:03.380 shorter overall lifespan so knowing that you're going to be getting into a relationship that's

02:59:08.260 the and that person might and probably is most likely going to die before you and you're going

02:59:14.740 to be alone with the kids why would you enter into a relationship knowing that those might be the terms

02:59:19.060 and costs because of weight okay if that's the argument then then the guy needs to be literally in the

02:59:25.620 gym every day he needs to be on top of his health also well then to be able to say that and then i would

02:59:31.380 be like okay that's valid because you take care of your health and you make that a priority then i'll respect

02:59:36.260 that but like just being like a big heavyset man and being like oh i'm not going to date somebody

02:59:40.740 that's big like what's like you have a lot of nerve i mean you make a fair point however i would argue

02:59:48.580 that a lot of women desire traits and men that they themselves do not possess for example for example a

02:59:55.460 lot of women want a guy who's funny are they funny themselves a lot of women want a guy who's tall

03:00:00.980 are they funny themselves a lot of women want a guy who's charismatic oh did i miss that yeah you

03:00:06.420 said funny oh sorry okay um a lot of girls want a guy who's super confident and has charisma

03:00:12.420 yet they're not charismatic or confident themselves a lot of women want a guy who's rich they're not

03:00:18.740 rich themselves so both men and women desire traits in a partner that they themselves do not necessarily

03:00:26.900 possess now i think i do think when it comes to your like if you're a fat dude

03:00:36.260 women are just women can also choose to not date an overweight dude that's totally fine that's totally

03:00:42.580 valid so yeah oh i thought there's gonna be a response okay oh can i say something oh yeah of course

03:00:53.220 course um i just you know i often hear women say things like it's not fair and i always say dating

03:00:59.540 is not fair attraction is not fair men and women are sexually dimorphic we have different mating

03:01:04.180 strategies we've evolved different sexual selection strategies and it's for the betterment of us pushing

03:01:10.740 along our lineage that's that's it you know it's just about what is most sustainable what is most

03:01:16.580 attractive to us that will allow us to have kids and their kids to have kids and their kids kids to have

03:01:21.700 kids that's simply what it is you know dating is competition and competition everybody can't win

03:01:27.380 and you said you think there's somebody for everybody i mean clearly that's not true that's

03:01:30.900 not the reality of how the world works because for one there's more no because how can there be when

03:01:37.540 how many people on this planet how can there be when there's a more women than men that's number one

03:01:46.260 every man is not desirable not even to there's a woman who's going to find you attractive

03:01:50.500 somewhere no a lot of these guys that you see in the chat and stuff like that they're all giga

03:01:54.580 chats all the chat the chat's giga chats they're all 10 out of 10s but the point is the point is

03:02:00.820 everybody's not going to find somebody for them that is like fairy tale utopian talk and if that was the

03:02:07.700 case the divorce rates wouldn't be as high as they are rejection wouldn't be as common as it is

03:02:15.060 men on tinder who can't get any type of swipes matches that wouldn't happen so dating is just

03:02:21.620 not fair it's not fair it's never going to be fair and the fact that we select each other on physical

03:02:26.180 qualities physical traits physical characteristics it serves a purpose it serves an evolutionary purpose

03:02:32.580 and women have to suck that up have to be okay with it because it's reality i would actually argue

03:02:37.940 women are far pickier when it comes to looks than men are

03:02:43.700 y'all are way more picky and selective when it comes to looks than men well i don't want an ugly baby

03:02:52.660 i think it kind of just makes sense no but like attraction for example like if you look at

03:02:58.180 i would argue that like women are far more superficial too when it comes to looks because

03:03:02.660 a lot of the things that you guys care about when it comes to looks are totally out of men's control

03:03:08.500 for example height 100 out of men's control and a lot of women here be sitting here wanting

03:03:15.620 guy who's six feet plus okay that's 15 of men cool you want you don't want a guy who's balding

03:03:22.340 most of you especially if you're young that's totally out of men's control if they start balding

03:03:28.340 early uh and then penis size totally out of men's control but y'all want a guy with a big dick

03:03:35.780 not all of you but the guy's lacking in the bulge a lot of women got a problem with that not all women

03:03:41.620 but so y'all will judge men very harshly on things that are totally out of men's control

03:03:46.660 but the one thing that we judge women harshly on weight is 100 in your control and also women

03:03:53.620 judge men on that too because there's plenty of fit women that would not be prepared to date a guy

03:03:57.940 who's obese so let's not kid that this is a one directional thing whereas when it comes to

03:04:02.340 balding height and penis size that's absolute men don't really discriminate like most men would

03:04:10.020 don't really care about a woman's height so i would argue that women care far more about physical looks

03:04:16.020 than men do

03:04:19.460 do you think it's just like a random question do you think that it's being more like judgmental

03:04:24.420 saying like um you know like i don't want to date somebody that's overweight or do you think it's

03:04:30.180 more judgmental to be like oh i don't want to date somebody that's a virgin

03:04:34.900 because that's not a virgin either that's not a virgin yeah what's not fair that like people think

03:04:40.260 that like or you guys were saying that like a high value woman is a virgin she doesn't need to be a

03:04:47.380 virgin but that would add to her a potential woman being it's a bonus you need not be also i don't

03:04:56.660 like the term like high value male high value woman it's just such this like nebulous vague term and

03:05:02.820 a lot of people like to claim i'm a high value male and it comes off as like kind of braggy and

03:05:07.940 i'm an alpha male that's just like that's just braggy i don't like that i'll say high quality yeah i

03:05:13.780 say quality i say quality but you think so you're saying that it's unfair to want a woman who's a

03:05:21.140 virgin no i was just asking if you thought which one yeah because you thought that i was being like

03:05:27.860 um like by me saying that it oh that's unfair that to call somebody or like to not want to date

03:05:35.380 somebody because they're overweight but i feel like aren't you also being judgy by saying like oh i

03:05:40.580 don't want to date somebody that's not a virgin well i didn't okay that's not my personal view it's

03:05:45.940 not i don't i don't want to exclusively i wasn't like that wasn't my personal view either of like

03:05:50.260 wanting to date somebody that was obese i was just saying like no i know i just didn't think that

03:05:54.180 those sort of not totally understanding what you're saying first off i don't exclusively date

03:05:58.900 women or who are virgins though i'm certainly not opposed to dating a woman who's a virgin would

03:06:03.380 it be my preference yes am i going to get it that suppose i suppose that depends on the woman

03:06:07.700 um what i would argue when it comes to body count or promiscuity is the lower bodies the better

03:06:17.140 in the same way that like the guy's bank account the like the more zeros after his you know in his

03:06:22.660 bank account the better be nice to date a millionaire might be nicer to date a billionaire whether you can

03:06:27.860 get it or not that's another thing but i mean i've dated women who are virgins so yeah but it's not

03:06:34.580 like i have to have like a i'll only date virgin women no indispensable characteristic it doesn't

03:06:40.020 have to be that but so are you saying that it's judgy to date to prefer want to or prefer a woman who

03:06:48.020 is a virgin is that what you're saying or yeah like does that is that like one character is it judgy

03:06:54.340 makes her more meritable or like makes her more it would it would make her more attractive

03:06:59.300 and yes i think it would make her a in the dating marketplace i would say it makes her higher value

03:07:08.100 so what's considered a high value like she has to be a virgin and no she doesn't have to be a virgin

03:07:13.700 in the same way that a woman who's like a 10 out of in the same way that a woman who's like a 10 out of

03:07:18.660 10 absolute beauty like would you everyone would prefer to get the most optimal partner they can whether

03:07:25.940 you can get it or not that's a different question but we all want the most optimal we want to make

03:07:32.980 the most optimal choices we can when it comes to who we date who we have relationships with who we

03:07:38.180 sleep with who we marry who we have kids with yeah we have a preference for optimality yeah like some

03:07:44.660 women might say well for example for you you would date a guy who's five seven but it might be a bit more

03:07:51.380 optimum for him to be five foot eight and it might be more optimum for him to be five nine five ten

03:07:56.740 five eleven six feet six one six two six three etc what would essentially maximize your attraction to

03:08:04.100 that partner just on a physical level because of course you can develop feelings for who he is this

03:08:09.780 person despite the fact that he's five seven and that can compensate for what he lacks in height

03:08:14.100 you know he can be more attractive and you can look at a six two guy boyfriend five seven you'd be

03:08:18.500 like i had a six two guy i don't he don't arouse me because i like everything about my five seven

03:08:21.940 boyfriend but fit like just on a physical scale we want to optimize our attraction to somebody and

03:08:28.180 typically those are physical characteristics so it's like i would prefer a guy who's six one

03:08:34.660 i would prefer a guy who makes six figures i would prefer a guy who has a six pack if i don't get him

03:08:40.820 yeah i'm i'm i can i'm malleable i can maybe shift a little bit but if it were up to me if i could create

03:08:47.380 the perfect guy what would your perfect guy look like and as and for men if he could create the

03:08:52.340 perfect woman she'd probably be a virgin that would a woman who's avert like there if a guy had an

03:08:59.700 option let's say everything else is equal but she's got a body count of 10 versus she's got a body count of

03:09:07.540 zero i think any sane man would prefer the the virgin in that situation

03:09:17.300 you guys disagree on that i mean why why would like even for eat and i'm not particularly inclined to

03:09:23.700 sleep with the girl just once or have a one-night stand with her but even for a one-night stand one-time

03:09:29.220 casual encounter i would always prefer to pick the girl who's a virgin over the girl who's slept with 50

03:09:34.980 dudes even when ostensibly the girl who slept with 50 men could give me a supposedly better sexual

03:09:43.460 experience as somebody know who knows how to lead in the bedroom like i'll take the virgin every single

03:09:50.740 time then why are men some men falling in love with strippers and like promiscuous women

03:09:59.620 probably i would call that love well like they build relationships with those women because we

03:10:08.100 have normalized this sort of degeneracy and men don't realize one that these types of women typically are

03:10:15.620 not do not make a for a good long-term partner uh their interest in them may be purely short-term or

03:10:23.220 purely sexual uh a lot of men you you will probably heard it from men themselves like yeah

03:10:30.260 we'll sleep with that girl but we'll never wife her up so but me personally i i wouldn't even want

03:10:36.420 to have casual sex with a girl that i couldn't see potentially yeah like i like oh she's she's

03:10:45.220 slutty so i'm just gonna sleep with her no i don't even want anything to do with a woman who's

03:10:49.700 slutty or has a high body count even if she's otherwise down to engage in uh easy sex that

03:10:56.260 doesn't interest me like i want to if i sleep with a girl i want there to be a continuity so there's

03:11:01.700 absolutely like there i don't want to get with a girl who's slutty or whatever okay i have a question

03:11:08.740 that correlates to that yeah because you just reminded me of sadia can i don't know if you guys

03:11:14.020 know her she's a psychologist that does she used to follow me we're gonna get her on the show yeah

03:11:17.860 we had a little falling out i really like value her and like all her points that she has to say

03:11:24.100 and it reminded me of this one podcast where she's like men claim they want like a high value woman and

03:11:32.260 like a good woman but all that they're really doing is spending time with promiscuous women like

03:11:38.020 following instagram models like favoring that so how do you guys as males explain that like men

03:11:45.540 wanting a good woman like she's saying but then ending up with promiscuous ones or following

03:11:50.820 instagram models engaging in promiscuous activity or that's that's a good question jude yeah i'll go

03:11:56.740 after i'll go ahead um the reason why is because we're still very visual creatures we're still emotional

03:12:02.500 beings we say all of these things on podcasts when we're actually out there in the real world when

03:12:08.340 we're scrolling social media when we see these women that natural innate reaction is oh she's attractive

03:12:14.740 these men aren't thinking about what what her wife qualities are like what her motherly qualities

03:12:20.260 are like and then a lot of these guys who sleep with these women they roll in the same circles they

03:12:25.460 engage in a lot of degenerate behavior themselves these are not these are not the cream of the crop men

03:12:29.860 in turn in terms of integrity and values and things like that so they're just as as compromised as the

03:12:36.180 women that they're getting with these women that they're sleeping with and that's essentially what it

03:12:40.180 boils down to see a lot of these guys they talk about these things as if they're pure themselves

03:12:45.700 and they're simply not it is that it's the visceral response to seeing a woman that you find attractive

03:12:50.820 physically whether on social media or in the strip club or whatever the case may be whether she got

03:12:55.780 shit done to her ass or titties whatever is that it's the attraction and then it's the fact that

03:13:00.820 these men aren't the cream of the crop high value men that they actually claim to be in terms of their

03:13:07.620 character yeah cute uh and let me just i just want to add on to that q absolutely hit the nail on the

03:13:13.940 head uh a lot of these dudes are absolutely degenerate and granted men are very visual creatures and i think

03:13:22.900 some of the issues that we're seeing in society certainly i mean we have we have agency and we have

03:13:28.820 autonomy so we have some blame on the individual level but like you know these social media platforms

03:13:34.660 are very i mean there's algorithms and you know there's something to be said of you know we we have

03:13:41.300 not evolved to be able to handle this sort of information and stimulation overload and uh i mean try

03:13:50.980 reading a book after you've just scrolled on tick tock for two hours i mean we're we're rewiring our

03:13:56.420 brains to get these dopamine hits and i agree with you what you said earlier porn is not good for men

03:14:04.100 um and me personally i and i'd recommend this to other men like i don't follow i have my personal

03:14:10.260 instagram i'm not really big on social media if i wasn't doing what i was doing like this youtube

03:14:15.860 shit i probably wouldn't even have instagram twitter any of this shit i'm just doing it for my business

03:14:20.420 but i don't follow any chicks i'm not like liking chicks photos i think it's a big fucking l as a dude

03:14:28.020 to be liking random chicks photos like instagram models whatever um if like what it's just to me

03:14:36.820 that's just weird so i follow one account on my personal instagram that's my business account that's it

03:14:41.620 i'm not checking out chicks photos like i'm not looking at photos if i'm in a relationship granted if i'm

03:14:47.940 if i'm single uh sometimes listen you got you need a release if it's whatever but in a relationship

03:14:54.100 i don't watch porn um ever like i'm i'm gonna get my sexual satisfaction just from my girl don't watch

03:15:04.500 porn plus it fucks you up too if you're watching porn especially in a relationship um and uh yeah so i

03:15:11.460 think men should definitely try to pull back from porn and certainly bro it's fucking simp

03:15:15.220 shit to be liking girls photos they already get like come on bro you're already gassing them

03:15:20.260 them up enough simps have destroyed dating uh you're gassing up these chicks so yeah i don't think dude

03:15:25.540 should be liking and following all these girls so yeah i agree unless they actually have like a real

03:15:31.700 life chance of yes this is the point but they don't and it makes a girl look dumb they don't is the

03:15:37.860 thing um so yeah did you have anything else q or no no you no you good okay you said everything

03:15:45.620 oh we have it we have a chat here and i'm gonna finally get into some of my questions for the panel

03:15:49.460 um oh the this one from high value high value you wanted us to rate everyone everyone so going

03:15:56.900 around the table would you rate your looks on a scale of one to ten starting with you go ahead

03:16:02.340 ten ten five five five and a half eight and a half ten ten six point five i'm gonna go with a six

03:16:15.460 today okay i used to say i was a six but i've gained a little bit of weight so i'm a five i'm a five so

03:16:22.740 wait ten ten ten don't take this the wrong way um there's no tens at this table you guys are not tens

03:16:37.940 i think and who are you to say that oh i said i'm a five i don't think i'm like

03:16:44.980 super attractive or anything like i'm a little bit chubby right now i need to lose some weight

03:16:48.900 um pale as fuck getting old what makes her not i just want to know what makes her not a ten like

03:16:55.540 i just want to know what is a ten like what is considered a ten it's personal preference yeah

03:17:00.820 i think beauty is in the eyes of the beholder no but what is makes a ten what makes her not a ten

03:17:07.860 objectively it doesn't exist if you ask me i don't think there's such like there's nines and

03:17:12.180 shit but but you also asked us our opinions so if you can't answer that what makes her not how are we

03:17:17.140 wrong how it's hard for you want me to like do an analysis of her like facial features and jaw

03:17:23.380 structure like i'm not going to actually articulate the ways in which she is or isn't a ten so what

03:17:28.260 makes a ten then if you don't you don't have to do it on her just in general what makes a ten

03:17:34.020 i'm not saying she's not i'm not saying you guys are not attractive in your eyes i'm not saying you

03:17:39.380 guys are not attractive women but you're not saying your tens puts you on par with among the most

03:17:44.660 beautiful hold on let me finish saying you're a ten puts you're saying that that puts you on par

03:17:50.340 with the most beautiful women in the world like where's the modeling contracts maybe you have

03:17:55.700 them look granted you're an attractive woman you got pretty eyes cool good for you but there's no

03:18:01.140 tens at this table but that's your opinion it's not my okay here maybe i should ask a different

03:18:06.900 question it's an opinion it's not no but there's an objective component to beauty

03:18:10.660 he's right for example if you were a ten none you would not need to be to wear makeup if you were

03:18:18.580 actually a ten granted and again i you've been invited on to a pub public platform so i'm not

03:18:25.860 saying oh like you shouldn't be wearing makeup right now but like if you were a ten would you need to wear

03:18:32.820 makeup most of the tens do models yeah most of them do they actually are required to for shoots

03:18:41.700 i mean i could articulate in other ways but i don't really feel the need to actually articulate

03:18:47.540 the reasons why you're not tens i feel like that might be offensive so are you saying to be a ten

03:18:53.060 you have to be a model because that's what you said we're talking about your looks your physical

03:18:57.860 beauty yeah so by you saying you asked us what we thought about ourselves so how is that no but

03:19:03.940 like there's your self-perception does not determine the reality or how other people see you in the

03:19:14.340 world basically in the eye of the beholder do you think all women are tens no do you think all okay

03:19:23.220 well i'm also not attracted to women so like okay um let me ask you a question can you can you think

03:19:32.100 in your mind right now of a guy who you think is unattractive yeah okay can you think of a guy who

03:19:39.460 you've ever encountered who thinks he's hot shit but isn't oh yeah okay now what if that guy who you

03:19:47.060 think is a five or a six and looks said he was a ten well then that's his opinion like but

03:19:53.060 is he i might not agree but is he wrong some other girl might think he's a ten yeah i mean

03:20:01.460 how different countries have like their different preferences for like beauties too oh yeah like a

03:20:05.940 preference for beauty like depends on different chimp heart walmart donated 200 every person has a

03:20:12.500 universal attractiveness score if everyone on the planet rated everyone yes there is personal preference

03:20:19.700 a universal seven can be a nine to someone but they are still a seven on the market

03:20:26.020 i mean a better question go ahead i'm sorry i was just gonna say that like from like a scientific

03:20:31.060 standpoint there's like like you said like orders to everything so for instance like acne sun scars

03:20:38.100 sun marks moles that can all be like factored in and like you said there is no really like standard but

03:20:44.660 let's be so for real if any of us were a 10 we'd be on miss universe or like miss america or whatever

03:20:50.500 that pageant show is where they like do like the most attractive like female beauty pageant thing i

03:20:57.620 don't know what it's called yeah like so you know there are ubiquitous markers of attraction it's been studied

03:21:05.460 across 37 countries six continents when you if i take any of you and show you to different cultures

03:21:14.100 of guys yeah there will be like an average of what you will get a rating for and that's more what we

03:21:20.820 mean when they ask these questions they're basically trying to highlight how delusional you think you are

03:21:25.940 so that's that's no essentially that's that's why they ask the question they want to know how delusional

03:21:30.580 do you believe that you are well if you don't fuck with yourself then who would yeah it's like

03:21:35.220 early why do you expect people you know what i mean but like what's wrong with like finding yourself

03:21:40.260 attractive nothing but wouldn't you think yeah if you're even if you don't think you're that

03:21:44.580 attractive confidence is truly knowing that and being okay with that as opposed to yep saying i'm a 10

03:21:52.260 like objectively i'm more attractive than when i rate myself because women rate me higher but i really

03:21:57.620 think i'm like a 6.5 women rate me higher than that grid one motorsports donated 200 if any of you

03:22:05.620 were tens you would not be single and having men run away from you or use you for watch sales your

03:22:11.060 sexual marketplace value would be very high please less delusion more reality respectfully i'd love to

03:22:19.460 see what you look like and your height and your penis size everything give us your tax returns give us

03:22:26.260 your bank statements first off respectfully thank you do like you do realize that he's not claiming

03:22:33.460 that he's some like super physically attractive guy like you can still have an assessment over

03:22:40.420 someone's level of the falsity of their own self-assessment when it comes to their physical

03:22:46.020 attractiveness without you yourself being attractive like it's not like oh you must be brad pitt in his

03:22:53.220 youth to be able to to excuse me to be able to determine if a woman is attractive or isn't

03:22:59.700 attractive yeah but it's about his negativity because like that's okay then all right yeah

03:23:05.940 at home that's fine but it's not about yeah okay so you rate yourself a 10 so what do you think someone

03:23:13.060 else would rate you uh again beauty is in the eyes of the beholder like i think that's the one that is the

03:23:20.180 question i don't know it depends i mean i think you know where you fall some people might some

03:23:26.900 people are you being honest with yourself though some people might rate me like a seven some people

03:23:32.900 might rate me an eight some people might rate me nine ten maybe someone might rate me four okay but

03:23:38.660 do do you wake up every day look in the mirror and is like damn i'm a 10 yeah are you honestly are

03:23:45.300 you just saying like i'm a 10 i honestly do and i'm gonna tell you why yeah it's because i think

03:23:51.060 for you to attract the opportunities you want in your life and for you to attract it attract optimal

03:23:57.620 respect and love and positive experiences you have to respect and love yourself yeah that's where it

03:24:03.700 starts and i think that's just delusion though yeah you can absolutely respect and love yourself but

03:24:09.620 no you're not a 10 good it's no no this is like the body positivity movement this is why it's terrible

03:24:16.260 it's making people delusional it's the yes queen and it's just like it doesn't work it doesn't make

03:24:21.380 sense you have to know your flaws you have to know what you need to work on it's it's delusion are you

03:24:25.940 talking about character or talking about your appearance your look everything well what like tell

03:24:30.820 me what's wrong with me then because like i i like the way i look well i didn't say i didn't say

03:24:35.780 there's anything wrong with you i'm just saying that you have to be honest with yourself and you

03:24:39.700 need to know what you need to work on and by you saying you're perfect you're delusional i'm not

03:24:44.740 saying i'm perfect because you did you said you're a 10 well being a 10 i find myself a 10 i like the way

03:24:50.900 i look okay well you need to be real with yourself there's being a 10 is perfect there's nothing wrong

03:24:57.060 with not being a 10 like you're not say what then say what's wrong with her because you're saying

03:25:01.140 she needs to be real with herself yeah explain why she's not a 10 i mean i might not be a 10 to

03:25:06.740 you and that's totally fine well i want to hear what she has to say about it's not even about what's

03:25:10.900 wrong with you personally and your appearance it's that you're you're delusional you need to

03:25:14.980 understand why she just called me delusional i could give you one wait you just said delude being

03:25:19.780 delusional is good though i can give you one answer you're you're short that's a reason why

03:25:25.860 you're not a 10. wait hold on as somebody who likes short women i object to that statement

03:25:36.500 to another person you can be a 10. go ahead sorry but when it comes to height so in order to even be

03:25:41.700 like a model supermodel any of that there is a minimum height requirement exactly no but okay

03:25:46.500 first off a lot of these models are like way thin and like interacts but okay we're using

03:25:51.860 why are we comparing the models because you said you were a 10 and models are typically tens

03:26:01.620 i mean i think it's subjective it's i think that anyone should love themselves for the parts that

03:26:07.460 they can't control i don't think obese like we were saying i don't think obesity and this whole american

03:26:14.580 culture supporting it is healthy because those are things you can't control but i think that people

03:26:20.020 should love the parts of themselves that they can't control because yesterday i was walking on

03:26:24.420 the street and some girl just decided to be like girl you have no ass and like me i know i have a

03:26:30.260 fucking ass like i work out all the time wait wait wait hold on wait should we get a little preview

03:26:34.180 like just so because i'm walking back to my house and she says it's not fucked up and you know why because

03:26:41.540 she wakes up in the fucking morning she hates herself and she goes out there and hates on other people

03:26:46.900 the way people treat other people and speak to other people speaks about how they feel about

03:26:52.100 themselves did she have an ass wait can we want you what because my point is she wakes up in the

03:26:58.740 fucking show us do you want to show us what show show what my ass i guess no because i know i have an

03:27:08.020 ass okay all right yeah anyways she woke up and she chose violence me i was about to choose

03:27:14.500 fucking violence i was so close to my car i was about to run into my house grab my fucking keys

03:27:20.180 chase her down and like speak my shit or maybe even like i should have just kidding i didn't because

03:27:25.860 i chose peace was she drunk i don't know maybe that seems like something something she was she was

03:27:31.540 driving her car and okay that's not i mean that's wrong and my point is for like the part and respectfully

03:27:38.820 she was what you would consider probably mid the girl in white has the face of the catcher's mitt

03:27:47.540 i can already envision what she's going to look like when she's 40. you're a 4.5 at best but i'm

03:27:54.340 gonna knock you down to a three due to genital herpes bro what no because i walked in and i thought

03:28:01.620 i mean other way not everyone has good taste i think you're really pretty by the way i just

03:28:07.460 want to say that you too i do think you're pretty okay look it's just to consider yourself a 10

03:28:14.580 it's it's delusional it's delusional you know what it is when you think you're a 10

03:28:22.260 and why did you ask our opinions of ourselves he didn't it was when you think you're a 10 he did you

03:28:28.500 walk like a 10 and you believe like you're a 10 and using yourself in the mirror and you say i'm

03:28:35.380 a 10 and you start to being socialized as a 10. like you start walking into places and rooms and like

03:28:43.460 you project that energy and people react to that energy and treat you accordingly hell yes i think

03:28:49.460 that whole thing until you make it is just no i think that's true i think thoughts are very powerful

03:28:55.060 and how we treat ourselves yeah you should have and also you take care of yourself like a 10

03:28:59.620 you should obviously have positive feelings about yourself you're not gonna eat the junk food you're

03:29:04.580 gonna go to the gym operating you can still be operating in reality and be like yeah i'm not the

03:29:11.780 among the most beautiful people in the world but i still love myself and i'm still a good person

03:29:17.460 you need not be delusional to have positive feelings towards yourself like i'm not gonna sit

03:29:24.980 here and say like i am the most intellectual per i'm a 10 out of 10 in intellect no i'm not i'm not a

03:29:31.780 10 out of 10 in my ability to articulate points sometimes i stutter english is my second language

03:29:37.380 like i see my own faults i try to work on them but i'm not gonna be like yeah i'm a 10 out of 10 podcast

03:29:43.300 toast no i fuck this shit up half the time it's cool it's okay i still do the show like it's all

03:29:50.820 right um i try to work on it but obviously we're talking about something very different here we're

03:29:54.580 talking about looks um like it's just like just the confident thing would be to say i'm a five and i

03:30:05.060 accept that i'm a six i'm a seven and i accept that i'm cool with that i don't have a perfect xyz

03:30:11.140 uh what you know whatever it might be so um yeah

03:30:19.220 good talk

03:30:23.540 anything else you guys want anything else on that i don't know i think i think i think we're mixing

03:30:28.740 up i mean it's fine to be confident but you have to be able to go home at the end of the day and

03:30:33.060 understand there's things you need to work on like it's totally not you can portray confidence out in

03:30:37.300 public but you don't go around and say you're a 10 and then believe it like yeah let me read the

03:30:42.420 definition of delusional characterized by or holding false beliefs or judgments about external reality

03:30:50.740 that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary typically as a symptom of a mental

03:30:57.860 condition okay or having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions based on or having faulty judgment

03:31:05.380 mistaken so yeah don't care that i mean that's fine but like no because i'm not saying you guys are

03:31:15.940 not attractive women okay you can say i'm delusional whatever but it has bring me nothing but positive

03:31:22.100 experiences i would actually argue so what's what you i'm not changing my ways you're stuck with yourself

03:31:27.860 forever but i'm not saying you guys i'm not saying you guys get like down on yourselves and just like

03:31:32.980 sob in the mirror all day because of your physical appearance i'm not saying that obviously live your

03:31:38.260 life in a positive way and move through the world in a positive way but like a lot of people when it

03:31:46.900 comes to dating right i would argue that men value modesty in women far more than the reverse like i think

03:31:55.620 men maybe have a little bit more room because women value confidence men don't really value confidence in

03:32:00.660 women um but modesty is a very attractive trade in women and if you're not modest and you think

03:32:09.300 you're hot like we don't want girls with big egos and i think girls don't want men with big egos either

03:32:14.500 one motorsports donated two hundred dollars it is beyond hilarious to listen to the feminist talk about

03:32:21.220 seeing themselves as a 10 delusion is not reality feminism has failed you how can the patriarchy save

03:32:28.820 your miserable existence today yeah thank you grid one motorsports uh cheers to you um i think what i

03:32:37.460 was trying to say was is that should i lost my train of thought um what i was trying to say was

03:32:45.460 holy shit i actually totally lost my train of thought did anybody have a response to what i was saying i

03:32:50.100 forgot no oh men valuing modesty yeah like it's not attractive to date a girl with a big ego

03:32:58.820 like we want a girl who's modest and like i'm fucking hot shit can't tell me nothing i mean did

03:33:06.820 you want us to say that word twos would that no no but like okay saying i think they want you to be

03:33:11.860 honest there's a difference between confidence and cockiness though and you just ask us what we think

03:33:16.180 about ourselves we're not saying that that's what the world thinks of us like objectively we're saying

03:33:24.180 what we think of us because we were asked to rate ourselves one to ten right but it's it's like a

03:33:29.540 modesty check this question and and i think men use that to humble woman and there's i feel like

03:33:38.740 there's men out there they feel the need to humble woman because they cannot have they cannot access to

03:33:44.420 women you know men who you know don't have experiences with women and you know have to subscribe to only

03:33:50.020 fans and or have to go to my comments and remind me of how bad i'm gonna end up in you know i'm gonna

03:33:58.020 end up single with cats whatever um it's because mainly they don't have access to women like they

03:34:04.580 in the day-to-day they don't get dates or like they don't get you know like they're not desirable in

03:34:11.620 the dating market and i don't give a if you're trying to humble me i'm just gonna do me and if

03:34:19.700 it that bothers you then just do you think people shouldn't be humble no why no no because like

03:34:27.620 seriously i think the reason men are trying so hard to humble women it's because they cannot have access

03:34:35.620 to them wait you're nick please pay attention because i'm not looking at the screen you're

03:34:40.820 like hiding behind your microphone can you please scoot it closer to you and like no no scoot the

03:34:46.100 microphone close to you and you're like this is what you're doing do you see this you're like oh you're

03:34:51.140 hot we okay go ahead am i good yes go ahead um yeah there's no need to humble woman just level up

03:34:57.380 as a man like if you're not desirable in the market you know um and you don't get dates it's not a

03:35:03.860 woman's issue is your well i think there's there's it's a two-pronged issue so men obviously need to

03:35:10.180 level up in various ways but like as a woman and actually we have some of your videos that we're

03:35:16.180 going to react to if you're delusional and you think you deserve the world just by

03:35:24.420 virtue of being a woman and you deserve a guy who's six feet makes this much money i don't think i deserve

03:35:30.660 it but what do you mean i will attract it okay well i don't think i deserve it just because i am a

03:35:38.020 woman but i know what i'm bringing to the table and i i'm expected the same okay well well you said

03:35:46.740 you know you you know what you're bringing to the table yeah since you know what it is what what are

03:35:50.980 you bringing to the table well i'm a good woman okay i'm religious christian um i don't go out

03:35:57.140 actually um like clubs and stuff i've had i have okay i've went out you know when i was younger like

03:36:03.940 18 19 i'm 24 now i'm over it um i'm a homebody um yeah i had literally like two serious relationship

03:36:14.900 i've dated but i've saved myself because i come from a household where you know um i my father always you

03:36:22.500 know told me like not to engage with men you know sexually and all that stuff oh so are you you're

03:36:27.300 a virgin no i'm not a virgin oh not at all okay but you know misheard i've went you know i've been

03:36:33.300 how do you say celibacy celibate celibate i've been celibate for three years like from when i was 19 to 23

03:36:40.260 like something like that to the right like this yeah um wait you were in a and you're relate you

03:36:49.140 said your relationship just ended two months ago but yeah you're in a two-year relationship yes i was

03:36:54.900 22 about to be 23 something like that and you've been celibate no no no no no well you said maybe i'm

03:37:02.020 mixing this up but i was celibate for three years and i took that decision i didn't want to you know

03:37:07.540 have no intimacy with anybody i wanted your boyfriend i wanted to like know what i wanted

03:37:13.540 out of a relationship and i think especially younger women don't be so quick to jump into like

03:37:20.260 engaging in sexual activity why because you're not ready yet like that like you need to have your

03:37:27.380 moment i feel i you have to have your moment right you have to get to know yourself and what you want

03:37:34.820 in relationships with men and don't make so much so many sacrifices and i think that's why men

03:37:41.460 especially older men tend to go to you know for younger women is because they don't have

03:37:46.660 like they don't know how to say no you know they don't have the standards and their boundaries set up

03:37:51.380 yet so um yeah as especially younger women just you know like save yourself and i'm i'm all about

03:37:58.900 saving myself and you know older men older men are attracted to younger women because younger

03:38:03.780 women are more physically attractive no it's because they're more pleasant they're more

03:38:07.700 physically attractive they have a low lower body count they have less past relationship trauma and

03:38:12.900 baggage they're more capable they're more fertile they're more capable of

03:38:18.260 they have higher fecundity okay then that you should be okay with the fact that women want

03:38:24.420 provider men and want successful men they do i totally accept that okay that's totally fine i'm just a

03:38:32.660 a little curious though you said you've been celibate for three years but you were just in a

03:38:35.620 two-year relationship so were you not i was younger like i started like 18 19 like i don't really

03:38:41.300 remember but i took the decision of like being celibate so you were not having intimacy so you're the

03:38:47.700 two-year relationship i was active yeah with my partner bro this is why you no i think you're saying

03:38:54.900 from age 19 to 22 you were celibate for those three years yeah oh i thought you said you were

03:38:59.460 okay yeah yeah no she's saying she's saying from 19 to 22 she was celibate for three years and then

03:39:04.020 she got a two-year relationship okay okay two hundred dollars this panel gives credence to the

03:39:09.940 saying if it floats fly a sore porks rent it the only person that will win in your future reality and

03:39:17.220 shy ops are the divorce attorneys level up not with your attitude oh okay all right here look um

03:39:24.500 here i'll just try to articulate why i think it's important look you guys want to keep thinking

03:39:31.940 you're tens that's totally fine i just think and a lot of women come on the show and look you guys

03:39:36.740 are attractive girls but a lot of women come on the show who are clearly not tens in physical

03:39:41.700 appearance and think they are tens in physical appearance if you're so gassed up by all the guys

03:39:47.220 hitting on you and all the attention you get on dating apps and all your girlfriends oh my god you're

03:39:52.100 so fucking slay queen and your instagram comments you're going to start being gassed up and thinking

03:39:59.780 you're hot shit when you're not i'm sure you all know a dude who thinks he's hot shit and you're like

03:40:05.060 bro this guy needs some fucking humble pie he's not all that so when you think you're really hot

03:40:11.860 you're gonna think you deserve a certain caliber of guy and here's where women get into trouble

03:40:18.100 if you think you're 10 you're gonna demand a man who's a 10 whether that manifests itself in his

03:40:22.820 looks his status his money whatever it is his charisma his personality the reality is most women are

03:40:28.740 average most men are average average people ought to pair up with average people reality is though

03:40:34.740 is and what i see in the dating marketplace a lot of women who are average don't want average men

03:40:41.380 you're all chasing after the top caliber of god caliber of dudes these dudes might happily

03:40:46.260 fuck you and sleep with you and string you along keep you in a friends with benefit situation you're

03:40:51.940 not going to get commitment from a lot of these dudes so what ends up let me just finish so what ends up

03:40:56.980 happening is that if you don't have an accurate self-assessment of where you land in the dating

03:41:01.860 marketplace you're going to be chasing after a caliber of guy that will never give you commitment but

03:41:06.340 you're going to get all caught up because that guy's going to string you along and fuck you and

03:41:10.260 never give you commitment that's why all these girls end up in situationships friends with benefits

03:41:15.300 six months no commitment and that's because those guys are happy to sleep with you because men and

03:41:21.620 women value different things men will happily sleep with you string you along they will never give

03:41:26.740 you commitment they will never give you a ring so maybe you're fine with that a lot of women would

03:41:32.500 prefer the divided attention of a really high status dude than the commitment and full of

03:41:37.140 attention of a guy who's you view as below you but who's actually on your level who's your looks

03:41:42.900 equivalent who's your status equivalent so if you're chasing if all these women are you mentioned

03:41:47.300 hypergamy at the beginning of the show if all these women are chasing after the top 10 percent of men

03:41:51.540 these top 10 percent of men are not going to commit they're not going to settle for you the thing is

03:41:57.940 right women can sleep with average women we get women on the show who are 19 20 college girls thousand

03:42:04.900 followers on instagram they're fucking nfl players they're fucking nba players men who are at the top

03:42:10.500 echelons of the dating market who are the most attractive who are wealthy who have status etc

03:42:17.620 how are you going to date how you can be 19 years old and fuck with an nfl player who's making

03:42:22.660 millions of dollars millions of dollars a year who's in incredible shape and then go back to your

03:42:28.900 to date a 19 year old college boy who's on your level who will give you commitment it's going to

03:42:34.340 be really hard the lifestyle differential there is going to be very difficult the other thing is

03:42:39.940 so typically for a girl to sleep with a guy that guy needs to be at least attractive enough

03:42:46.340 for that girl to be in a relationship with that guy for you to sleep with the guy he has to at least

03:42:50.420 be attractive enough for you to consider being in a relationship but it's totally the reverse for

03:42:54.660 men men will gladly sleep with women and this is just based on their physical attractiveness alone

03:43:00.340 we'll sleep with the girl but we would just based on her physical attractiveness we'll

03:43:04.500 never be in a relationship with her but we welcome sex we welcome sex so

03:43:10.900 because of that women can secure sex from men that are more attractive than them whether that's looks

03:43:16.900 status uh income wealth whatever you think that that's your level you think that that's your league

03:43:25.060 but the reality is no that guy was never going to get commitment from you your league is the guys who

03:43:30.580 are prepared to commit to you be in relationships with you being monogamous with you and give you a

03:43:35.140 ring it's not the dude who's willing to fuck you so that's why it's very very very important for

03:43:40.100 women to have an accurate self-assessment of their own physical attractiveness otherwise y'all

03:43:44.260 going to be fucking dudes that are out frankly out of your league and then you're going to look

03:43:49.540 at the guy who's actually on your league who's actually excuse me who's actually in your league

03:43:54.500 who's on your level who will give you commitment you're going to think you're settling for him

03:43:58.500 and maybe you eventually do and then you're resentful of him the entire relationship even though this guy

03:44:04.260 is on your on your level a lot of dudes excuse me a lot of women look at men who are actually on

03:44:11.380 their level and think no actually he's not he's not at the same attractiveness level as me

03:44:17.300 and then they curve them and then they wonder by the time they're 30 where are all the good

03:44:21.620 men oh you curve them in your 20s when you're fucking nfl players and nba players and all this

03:44:25.620 shit i just want to clarify that i'm not i don't go ahead and look for millionaires and billionaires and

03:44:33.220 i don't teach that to women i teach them like to like attract providers okay that's what i'm

03:44:40.660 looking for because to me that's fine to me a millionaire a nfb whatever player um yeah he can

03:44:49.220 have money but he if he doesn't support you he's the equivalent of a broke man so unless a man you know

03:44:56.900 it's not supporting me and it's not committing to me committing you know to me i don't i'm not you

03:45:03.300 know i'm like i don't care about that man in the sense that i would not take him seriously like i'm

03:45:12.180 not those type of woman that be sleeping with millionaires just because he's a millionaire and

03:45:16.820 then they go home and they're still broke like that to me is stupid i'm sorry um that to me it's dumb

03:45:23.220 it's the equivalent of you know dealing with a broken so um i'm looking for commitment i'm looking

03:45:28.580 for stability and somebody that can support me and that doesn't mean that it's not unattainable

03:45:35.780 and i think that you're saying oh women are only going for the one to one percent no we're not we're

03:45:41.060 going for provider men we need that security and the stability that's not that really doesn't

03:45:46.340 and i came in like making excuses for for lazy men like i don't right but you i mean you even

03:45:51.540 mentioned at the beginning of the show you mentioned hypergamy and that women should be

03:45:54.740 hypergamous i mean you are basically advocating well i mean you're basically advocating hypergamy

03:46:00.180 is the tendency for women to date men who are of a higher and that could be attractive in this

03:46:04.820 level or a socioeconomic level so i mean necessarily millionaires but okay sure but the whole thing i'm

03:46:11.460 trying to get at and it doesn't even it could even be like you're a college girl and you're just

03:46:15.060 like fucking the super hot college dudes and then like the guys who are actually prepared to

03:46:19.940 you're gonna friend zone the guys you got you girls want to know where the guys who are prepared

03:46:23.940 to be loyal and who will commit to you that's the biggest complaint of women all these men they're

03:46:28.180 cheaters they they don't commit that's because y'all are chasing after this like small percentage

03:46:32.500 of hyper attractive super attractive dudes you know where the loyal guys are where they'll give you

03:46:38.180 commitment who will be good boyfriends they're probably in your friend zone because you curve

03:46:42.260 the guys that are actually on your level because you all are chasing after the really hot

03:46:45.860 fuck boys and shit i don't care and this is evidenced by if you look at dating apps if you

03:46:50.740 look at okay sure if you look at dating apps women are only swiping on like the top 10 of dudes

03:46:56.740 they're getting all the women whereas the rest of the guys are getting nothing or the scraps

03:47:01.540 and and women are another problem oh i mean i was just gonna say that's why i think it's very important

03:47:06.660 that women have a realistic self-assessment of their own physical attractiveness because if you think

03:47:11.860 you're a 10 you're going to be chasing that dude who you think is a 10 i don't chase what okay however

03:47:18.100 you want to put it you're going to you're going to be going after these guys who are like really

03:47:23.700 attractive that might be more attractive than you that want to fuck you but will never give you

03:47:29.460 commitment i don't i don't value attractiveness in a man that's not my in my top priority when choosing

03:47:35.460 a partner that's fine and with me um i agree with everything brian is saying and for me it runs a

03:47:42.340 little bit more personal than that because i am a certified relationship coach so and i have a huge

03:47:47.300 clientele so a lot of the women who come to me these women come to me wondering why they aren't getting

03:47:52.900 the dating outcomes that they want and a lot of times it starts with them not being objective about

03:47:59.140 their mate value physical appearance what they bring to the table what they have to offer who they are

03:48:04.260 and you have to remind them that these are the things that you woke up every day and told yourself

03:48:09.380 in the mirror daily affirmations i'm a 10 i'm this i'm going to manifest this i'm going to attract the

03:48:14.260 energy that i put out all of that is bullshit all of that is bullshit because you live in a world

03:48:21.540 to where someone has to pick you too it's just not about what you believe about yourself it's about the

03:48:27.060 way the world sees you as well and if you have the expectations of as a woman i want to attract

03:48:33.940 this type of guy i think i'm on the level of this type of guy and the reality is you're not

03:48:38.820 you're really going to end up heartbroken i'm i'm telling you like i deal with these women who are

03:48:43.860 heartbroken they're disappointed they they they wanted to be wives they wanted to be married they

03:48:48.420 wanted to have kids not out of wedlock they're single mothers all types of women they're just

03:48:53.460 disappointed they're heartbroken and if you would have started being objective and being able to

03:48:58.100 take some constructive criticism and being able to say well you know what you're right it took this

03:49:04.020 long for me to come to the realization that i'm not the shit that i thought i was or i hyped myself

03:49:08.980 up to be thinking that i was doing something body positivity or doing something for myself that was

03:49:13.780 going to manifest what i wanted i realized it didn't work like that and now i'm here and that's

03:49:19.300 what i have to explain to them once they get there so you you ladies are young you don't understand it

03:49:25.060 you don't see it but if you continue to hold a certain attitude about yourself that is not

03:49:30.260 aligned with reality reality is going to show you what the fuck is up and when it does it's going

03:49:37.780 to punch you in the face and you're going to be so much more heartbroken and wish that you had just

03:49:42.980 been more realistic and maybe took advantage of some of the opportunities that were presented to you

03:49:47.380 in terms of dating in terms of relationships with guys who could have been good partners but because

03:49:52.100 you felt that you were above him when you really weren't by whatever metric you choose to use

03:49:57.780 now you're single you're stuck you're single and you can't get what you want because you spent all

03:50:02.580 your years that you should have been investing in those guys who are on your level trying to get

03:50:07.060 something better that you weren't really qualified for

03:50:13.380 let me ask i want to last thing on this do you guys want an average man going around the table

03:50:19.140 do you want an average man define an average man um five foot nine 50k a year salary average looks

03:50:30.340 average personality average guy

03:50:37.860 i wanted to make either like more than me or like exact the same as me because i'm planning to have

03:50:44.420 babies and i want to create a family and i need stability and i need support to that sure

03:50:52.500 honestly i don't care as long as he has the life skills to bring to the table

03:50:56.660 and we're able to grow together and fully provide for our family together okay

03:51:03.300 considering my last two were below average i'm gonna say yeah

03:51:06.100 yeah as long as he's a man of god okay like she said i would want him to make as much or

03:51:14.660 preferably more than me and i also would want him to have an above average personality to be honest

03:51:20.900 because i feel as though i have an above average personality as a woman and i don't know if you

03:51:26.020 guys might think that's delusional but i think i do and if you want you can ask me questions

03:51:32.180 um i try to think very positive i never try to bring down other people unless they like

03:51:39.220 bring down me like that girl yesterday i just chose like kindness i'm very

03:51:44.340 respectful i always check up on my friends i take care of my grandparents because my mother isn't able

03:51:50.340 to so whenever i'm at home it's like chaos because my grandma's paralyzed and my grandpa's very old and

03:51:55.700 i grocery shop for them call my grandma every day and like like tell her everything going on in my life

03:52:01.620 and i'm very close to all of my family i stay connected with my friends i always try to like

03:52:10.580 ask them how they are and like open up and i'm very like open i like to share my experiences because

03:52:15.700 i want people to learn from them and every step i'm taking towards my life lately i try to be one of

03:52:24.340 growth and i try to spread that knowledge to the people in my life too so i think that makes an

03:52:31.460 exceptional personality in my opinion you have an exceptional personality i think above average

03:52:37.700 personality yeah and you can ask me more questions if you want do you think you're charismatic i think

03:52:44.180 so yeah

03:52:52.580 but does somebody want to tell her wait but again i don't really think that's a personality trait

03:52:58.100 of course charisma is a personality yeah it would be it would be it would be

03:53:01.860 it would be on the extroversion yeah it's a personality trait on the extroversion yeah i'm

03:53:06.420 definitely more extroverted than i am introverted do you have a job uh yeah i do currently yeah

03:53:16.340 i think we have a here what about you do you want an average guy

03:53:22.260 i wouldn't mind it but as she said i would like someone who makes as much or as more or more as me

03:53:29.220 okay so you anticipate being a high earner or you are well you're 20 so i mean my goal is to

03:53:39.460 earn high yeah and if how much do you want to earn

03:53:45.460 or do you see yourself earning i mean i would like to be like make it yeah i'd like to be well off

03:53:54.260 i'm sure anyone would like to be well whether you'd like to be or not is different than

03:54:00.660 what actually will happen what do you study in university business okay so you anticipate making

03:54:08.900 what what what are you gonna you're a junior or senior junior

03:54:17.540 do you know have you looked into potential jobs have you researched starting salaries what's

03:54:23.380 your starting salary going to be out of high school or sorry not high school out of college

03:54:29.060 what do you mean like how much it's amazing to me this is why i'm so against university is people

03:54:33.780 are going to spend get go into debt spend five to six figures rack up a bunch of student loans

03:54:40.740 maybe some of your privilege and your parents pay for it maybe you have savings and you don't even

03:54:45.220 know how much like the anticipated salary of the field that you're pursuing in university

03:54:51.220 like to me it would occur okay before i spend all this idea because i'm getting my real estate

03:54:57.460 license right now grid one motorsports donated two hundred dollars high value is not equals high net

03:55:04.820 worth where all the good men with women who value them why can you not find one they see you coming

03:55:12.740 a mile away the men you want will not want you and their baggage

03:55:19.060 and i'm not i'm not even directing this at you but it's like so many people go to college get five

03:55:23.140 to six figures in student loan debt they pursue you know whatever the some degrees are absolutely useless

03:55:29.540 and then they can't find a high-paying job like i feel like you should know yeah like here's why i'm going to college so that i can

03:55:37.700 go into this field and have a decent understanding of what the starting salary is and what i can expect

03:55:43.860 to make over the course of five ten fifteen twenty years whatever it may be so did you have something

03:55:48.180 or i was going to say like for example when i worked at jersey mike's as a general manager i made a hundred

03:55:55.300 thousand that year and that was how much i made that year so in like your like your field that you're going

03:56:00.340 into out of college how much will be will you be making on a yearly basis in that first year of working

03:56:06.820 when you get out of college in your like field that you want to go to let's say it's accounting

03:56:10.180 let's say it's like a bank teller how much would you make in that year is what i think i have multiple

03:56:15.220 plans for myself so i more than just like real estate i want to do interior design as well

03:56:21.540 so i you know i'm just kind of just going for it i'm saving up and i feel like with real estate

03:56:29.140 which is kind of specific to me because that's what i'm interested in working on getting a real

03:56:32.580 estate license yeah i'm doing my 135 hour course right now and i think it varies with that specific

03:56:39.220 field because it does depend on like what like the houses you sell and like the area you're in

03:56:45.540 there's different factors oh sorry look i just see the reality is most people are average

03:56:54.340 but what i'm seeing is a lot of people who are average don't want an average person as a partner

03:57:00.740 they think here's what i want but wouldn't it stand to be to wouldn't it make sense that

03:57:08.820 if you're an average person don't you deserve to be with an average person romantically

03:57:14.980 are we just going to gas up women and say even though you're average even though you're not

03:57:19.860 remarkable in any way you deserve the best you deserve a top 10 guy no top 10 women deserve top 10 men

03:57:28.340 50 50 women deserve 50 men that's how it is no yeah i agree and i think to attract what you want you

03:57:36.100 have to be on that level that's how it works scientifically as well um so for someone to

03:57:43.620 want attract for someone to want to attract someone specific they better be matching

03:57:49.380 that person or actively working towards that and you can't expect

03:57:52.900 to receive that if you're not doing what correlates we're gonna move on i have to get a couple chats

03:57:59.860 in madison is the most attractive one on the panel by far every time go madison quick question for

03:58:04.900 madison how has hearing all these panels impacted your views on dating uh quick answer madison if you

03:58:09.700 want um it's honestly made me uh recognize how corrupt the modern dating world is and it's made me

03:58:16.580 feel so incredibly lucky that i have frankie and makes me value my relationship and want to strengthen

03:58:23.780 it even more yo w's w frankie's in the chat can we get wankies in the chat please um all right we have

03:58:32.180 hold on we have bender the offender ladies do you believe shame and judgment is a good thing or bad

03:58:37.620 thing explain your answers we'll go around the table on this really quick go ahead what is the question

03:58:41.940 again sorry do you believe shame and judgment is a good thing or a bad thing explain your answers

03:58:48.740 shame and judgment i don't know i'll pass i think it's a good thing because i mean you can't

03:58:55.140 know how to grow unless you have criticism right criticism is going to be your best friend because

03:58:59.700 that's how you're going to know what you want to change specifically about yourself in order for

03:59:04.420 you to grow and to be better yeah i'm gonna say um to an extent it's it's fine if you're going a

03:59:14.500 little too hard and you're just consistently judging making someone feel like shit then yeah yeah i i

03:59:21.700 agree because i don't think everybody should feel that opinionated i feel like right now everyone feels

03:59:27.300 super opinionated um but i do think yeah it's it's good to have a little bit of criticism so that way

03:59:35.940 you know what to kind of like work on but also to like i don't think listening to everything is good

03:59:43.220 also because then you're not like really believing in yourself and like what your potential is either

03:59:50.660 i think that it can be good or bad for example that girl yesterday hollering out her car saying i have

03:59:56.900 no ass i think that's bad and it just shows where she stands with herself to be honest i think that's

04:00:02.980 when it's a bad example of judgment and criticism but i think that it could be good like telling

04:00:08.580 someone you know you should be losing weight you should be getting in the gym i've noticed you've

04:00:13.460 gained weight like you don't want to go down a bad path and eventually yeah get like heart disease or

04:00:18.740 like other problems or like what we're talking about right now i think that it's good because it can

04:00:24.100 open up our minds and make us think of different perspectives and just this podcast as a whole

04:00:28.900 we've kind of been debating each other in a way to make each other grow so i feel like it kind of

04:00:34.740 it's beautiful depends it is beautiful it honestly is and like i've learned a lot from it so far and

04:00:40.900 it's not even right now but curtis underscully on donated 200 thank you curtis pill i have a true

04:00:48.100 example in the marine corps the few wms who were below my league were the shit once they leave they

04:00:54.580 find out they aren't shit emergency room at va four women came in all stds

04:01:02.420 i mean yeah that's that's actually a good example like a lot of women in the military because there's

04:01:06.340 so few women there's a lot of dudes uh the the supply and demand basically i mean she

04:01:16.580 good talk did you have an answer to the the previous tts or period no no good real world um

04:01:24.340 observation i mean you did you have an answer to i think criticism do you believe shame and judgment

04:01:30.100 is it a good thing or a bad thing i think criticism could be helpful like to an extent

04:01:39.220 okay uh i think it's good and it builds character and we need to bring shame back

04:01:48.900 we need to bring shame back there you have it folks there you have it i okay let me finally get

04:01:54.740 into my notes that i actually have from you guys i'm gonna try to get through the through these as

04:01:58.020 quick as possible nikki we have a tweet from you

04:02:04.900 shout out to the random man who paid for my food in front of me thank you

04:02:08.980 how so what is that a regular occurrence like dude just i just thought that was such a nice gesture

04:02:14.900 it was like a chipotle thing and he like paid for the food in front of me i thought that was so

04:02:19.300 sweet and it was like an act of kindness i think i wanted oh hold on yo ab check thank you for the

04:02:24.900 gifted 20 memberships appreciate it man you're a fucking legend appreciate it that's what i'm talking

04:02:29.780 about that's why he's giving me that's why he's the goat the goat okay thank you man appreciate it um

04:02:39.380 so it just reminded me that there's still like really nice people that like give

04:02:45.140 really nice gestures it sounds like a simp if you ask me

04:02:49.700 i felt like no that wasn't a simp i thought that was like such a like gentleman like that was so

04:02:53.620 nice like you didn't have to do that have you had that before like anybody just like pay for your

04:02:57.380 shit or anything yeah and i don't maybe i just didn't document it that day but that day like how

04:03:02.500 often i had just gotten out of the gym like i just was not feeling like my best yeah like i had no

04:03:08.340 makeup like it was just super plain and that guy just like paid for it other ladies here have has

04:03:13.460 that anything like that ever happened to you like a dude just like oh let me pay for that has that

04:03:18.340 happened yeah i didn't even say it creeped out but you've had offers i guess like i've had it like

04:03:24.740 once but it was a girl it wasn't i've had it once but it was a girl it wasn't like a guy what about you

04:03:29.860 yeah you've had that what about you you get yeah tell us briefly what

04:03:37.700 like free drinks like stuff like free drinks what about like you're getting food the guy

04:03:42.180 any other non-club related paying for food or just like randomly like you're in line chipotle oh let me

04:03:49.140 get that yeah you have you had that yeah have you had that yeah i'm not gonna have you ever had a chick

04:03:57.540 just like you're total stranger just like oh um i've never had a woman pay for it but i have had

04:04:06.100 women who work at places give me free food because i'm handsome oh okay all right yeah i would give you

04:04:15.940 food if you got up to the register and couldn't pay for it i'd be like i got you i appreciate that but

04:04:21.380 but a couple of my exes did ask me on first dates and they paid for the first dates or like

04:04:27.140 i'll probably like lx doesn't approve of that we're like free rides home like i don't know

04:04:32.660 just kindness kind of sounds like female privilege a little bit it kind of is and that's real and it

04:04:37.780 exists honestly kind of sounds like life on easy mode oh a little bit don't you think

04:04:46.100 we're definitely just total strangers here let me just finance your life we're the ones with the

04:04:51.380 periods we're the ones who end up having the baby in our stomach oftentimes being left by like

04:04:57.140 the man we had the baby with that's okay i mean there's a whole lot of they're paying for a meal

04:05:02.020 it's not like they're paying for my rent finance my life like you're literally buying me food for a

04:05:07.300 day yeah but i mean maybe some of you have had sugar daddies i mean yeah we can get into that but

04:05:15.300 there's pros and cons to both being a man and woman for sure yeah shoot i mean i guess i was my

04:05:20.580 own sugar daddy because i've been living by myself since i was 12 so yeah see but that that's like

04:05:26.340 expected of men but like um anyways um wait let's also not forget that men get their egos up and they

04:05:36.980 like when they do those those things for a woman it's so simple oh they do you're such a beautiful girl

04:05:43.940 in the line let me pay for your food is if he would have waited till i got there and asked me for my

04:05:52.020 number nothing he just paid for it and then left and then when i got to the register the lady was

04:05:55.780 like oh that makes him more of us no it doesn't it was just like a kind gesture and then he just

04:06:00.900 have you ever done have you ever done that for a dude have you ever done that for a guy just some

04:06:05.060 random dude like yeah actually i have i've given a guy free drinks before like as a bartender yes i

04:06:11.540 have to pay for it out of pocket that's totally different how this was you're saying this was

04:06:15.780 another guy in line you the question was if i've ever done like a nice gesture right no that's that's

04:06:25.460 that's a very different context like you in your capacity as being employed by a bar and you maybe

04:06:32.580 you found some dude attractive and you bought him a free drink is your argument that people can't

04:06:36.980 just do nice gestures like a nice thing like that's such a bad thing no my argument though is

04:06:42.100 that this tends to be typically from men directed towards women and i think it's simpish to just like

04:06:47.620 randomly see a hot a girl you think is hot let me just pay for her i don't know that's simp i don't

04:06:54.580 know if i would call it simpish but you have a point he has the money to do it and he just finds you

04:06:59.940 attractive and he has no money like no what if you know he has money he's whatever like

04:07:06.180 i only like some money you don't provide you only provide for a girl who is like your girlfriend

04:07:12.180 that's it yeah i'm gonna provide for random chicks of course oh you're so hot buying a drink is not

04:07:18.660 providing by the way what's that buying a as a girl 25 drink it's not providing he's saying first off

04:07:26.660 this is another this is another reason why not to go to the bars like it's not 25 drink

04:07:30.980 what the girl drink or food it's not a big go to bevmo and hang out with your girls it's just an act

04:07:36.020 of generosity because like you guys every single one of us said like a man has come up to us and

04:07:41.780 offered to pay for our food but how many times have we been in a restaurant and we decided to

04:07:45.700 actually pay for someone's food like the only time i've ever paid for a man's food that was in

04:07:50.660 front of me is because i rear-ended him in the drive-thru he's just saying women have it easier on that

04:07:55.460 what i have done is like given like a homeless person money that's a bit different how it was

04:08:00.500 a man i thought that's and that was like an act of kindness i didn't have to do that right but

04:08:05.220 like there's something that's like that's almost like um yeah but that's almost like charity like a

04:08:10.820 guy who you're you're a guy buying your food at the line in chipotle is simp shit because he's doing

04:08:18.660 it because you you're attracted it's not but i think that like it's not makes him a man to like do

04:08:23.780 that kind gesture and not expect anything sexually or romantically back it's oh i see a pretty girl

04:08:29.700 like i have the money for i feel like that's kind of like a really masculine act and whatever chivalry

04:08:35.140 and whenever like a man that's not chivalrous does that i don't think that he's a simp if anything

04:08:39.060 it's very like attractive and i like and then he disappears and you never see him again if there's

04:08:45.220 no basis but it left a mark in my head enough for me to tweet it like that would like wow good for

04:08:50.980 him he really got a lot out of that yeah that was so nice though that was such a nice gesture

04:08:56.100 listen if anybody what value what value did he receive against somebody paying for my food

04:09:01.700 good for you of course if women just want to send me free money and free shit and buy me stuff i'm not

04:09:07.620 going to sit here and tell them no and object to it but if we're actually analyzing the situation

04:09:12.740 the dude's a fucking simp he's just buying a chick random food as well yes going to well

04:09:21.620 first off i don't encourage men going to strip clubs so yes if you're going to strip club and

04:09:25.940 this is the same thing if you're tricking women because you yeah that's some attractive i'm glad

04:09:30.260 you said that it's yeah it's still selfish that's first off like are you upset like a woman isn't

04:09:36.340 simping over you and doing it for you i've had women simp over me not gonna lie it's pretty

04:09:41.940 fucking dope what is it i love it too huh were they feminine in their ways super feminine yeah

04:09:48.420 i went on a date last week she took care of everything everything i said okay a girl need

04:09:53.700 not be like hyper masculine to want yeah we yeah she she asked me did i want to go to dinner and she

04:09:59.460 said she would pay you didn't think that was like nice like that was like yeah like wow i mean she

04:10:05.940 asked you so she should i mean we went to a museum yeah we went to the museum first when i was in new

04:10:12.100 york we went to the museum in new york the natural history museum and um i took care of that but then

04:10:17.620 while we were there she was like do you want to get um ramen after i'll pay for it so is she a simp in

04:10:23.540 your eyes right now where do you stand with her right now oh she but she do you appreciate her right

04:10:28.020 now for her paying for oh yeah i'll probably hit her up after the podcast but like is she like in

04:10:33.780 your priority right now yeah do you think she would be less of a priority because she did that

04:10:39.380 well i don't know i just kind of want to like hop into your guys's minds as you guys well i i like

04:10:44.100 that that's i value that yeah i would i here's the thing i think there's this trope of like oh if

04:10:51.940 and i know ella you probably disagree with this but like if a girl is actually contributing

04:10:56.900 in some way like if she's kind of simping on you that shows a very high level of interest yep and

04:11:03.300 like my personal view is if if having been a guy who's dealt with low interest women and high interest

04:11:09.620 women it's way better to deal with women who display high levels of interest versus a chick

04:11:17.060 who's like a fence fence sitter i don't want to deal with the fence sitter chick i like girls that

04:11:22.900 are like i don't play this game of like this hard to get shit i like you you like me let's be

04:11:29.540 together let's keep it simple we don't need to play some game so i just don't like the word simp

04:11:35.700 like i just think that you might not like it but a dude who who who you're not dating a dude who you're

04:11:41.300 not dating who random stranger who just pays for your he's tricking that's a trick right no i just

04:11:50.100 he's tricking is that the word wait do you think i mean that's just his way do you think that girl

04:11:54.980 is tricking on you then by buying the ramen no but but he has a romantic he has he actually has like

04:11:59.940 an interaction yeah i feel like if it were more like a repetitive thing where it's like you're just

04:12:05.380 going out like once a week to a specific restaurant and that person just happens to be there and every

04:12:09.860 single time they're paying for it yeah they're a simp but if it's like that's not possible yeah it

04:12:14.660 is but what if like paying for your food it doesn't make a difference in his finances yeah like he's

04:12:20.900 just wanting to do it because he wants to do it like it's not of impact it's not affecting because

04:12:26.660 you're pedestal you're pedestalizing some random woman who doesn't deserve it let him be that's how

04:12:32.820 guys flirt i feel like what is the he didn't flirt though but that's their way of showing their interest but

04:12:38.340 not all girls are gonna show their interest by just buying well how about how about here's if you

04:12:43.540 want to actually flirt with the chick how about he step to you and be like what's up are you single

04:12:48.500 i'd like to take you out sometime and at that point he can start spending potentially spending

04:12:54.100 resources but to just like buy you your shit and be like peace that's fucking weird that's simp

04:13:00.100 well some guys are dumb i guess like facts that's his point that's his point dumb as well

04:13:09.780 he's masculinity if anything like if a man buying you stuff or like randomly buying a drink or whatever

04:13:16.900 is him like trying to like proclaiming i'm a man it's not masculine okay they like to do that hold

04:13:23.140 up hold up okay so say that is the case did you say anything to him no i didn't get the chance to

04:13:29.220 hear i'd already left okay so if i have men buy me drinks and not even saying hello to me just like

04:13:35.140 randomly like do you say anything they're pussies and they don't have what it takes to actually step

04:13:41.300 to you and be like what's up i'm bartholomew nice to meet you you took the extra time in the mirror i

04:13:48.900 appreciate that that's how i see it have we taken into account that it's like christmas time and

04:13:56.500 that maybe he was like oh i'm gonna do a little like secret sienna real quick and just buy her food

04:14:00.660 and dip i think to do something nice for karma was it from 2020 was it not this month no no it was from

04:14:06.820 2020 ignore me okay it's look that's just some sim shit that's i mean yeah obviously you guys are

04:14:15.620 going to object to me categorizing it that way because you guys stand to benefit from men continuing

04:14:22.420 to just fund your life are you jealous well no because the way i see it too yes i would love it

04:14:27.860 if women should we turn down those things for real should we say no oh my god no i don't mind when

04:14:34.500 no i don't blame women i don't okay well i take issue with the men doing this i don't there's no blame

04:14:40.580 on women if some dork wants to buy your chipotle and say nothing to you good for you bruv you saved

04:14:49.540 15 bucks congratulations good for you but like i criticize the men if you're guys please never do

04:14:56.500 this if you're don't do it what do you do it do that huh what do you think men buy women randomly

04:15:02.100 think because they're fucking pathetic that's why what are you just jealous please keep buying

04:15:07.940 us too much pride and trauma trauma

04:15:14.100 trauma son do you feel like you have a little too much to whereby you think that they're like being

04:15:19.940 simps when in reality they're just men that have let go of their ego and pride in that moment

04:15:24.980 and have like healed the parts of them that were hurt by some woman that they just want to do

04:15:29.060 a kind of thing if they had let if they were on some eckhart toll shit if they're on some power of

04:15:34.020 now eckhart toll uh the power of now and they're like they're they destroyed the ego they destroyed

04:15:40.340 the the whatever the it's called it's their heart their heart chakras were aligned

04:15:46.420 it doesn't have to be that deep he would just be like i'm just the ego move is like i'm gonna show

04:15:52.660 how dope i am and pay for this girl's meal no you just be like no i'm gonna buy my own

04:15:58.500 shit who the fuck i don't give a fuck about this person that's the ego list response the ego

04:16:03.620 response is like let me flex on this chick let me buy her vegan chipotle son hell yeah and sometimes

04:16:09.940 it's adorable of them because they think it's like so they're like i'm doing such a great thing

04:16:15.700 i'm gonna say why and it's cute it makes them so i remember when i was younger my dad paid for the

04:16:20.820 ladies in front of me all of her groceries and i not once thought that was like a synth thing at all

04:16:26.420 i thought that was like such a nice thing that is very nice

04:16:37.540 all of her groceries did he say why yeah she was like a single mom and like two little kids and

04:16:42.580 i don't know i just i think my dad just like felt like you know sorry for her and understood yeah

04:16:49.460 but i mean but then again he is also a dad and he did see like a mom with two kids struggling to

04:16:54.180 probably pay for groceries yeah i did not at all think that that was a simp i thought wow like that

04:16:59.700 was such a nice thing okay um moving on uh you had a story about a threesome that turned into a

04:17:08.820 foursome story but then went bad oh god was it three dudes two dudes no it was me it was me and a girl

04:17:17.700 who i'm not friends with anymore and we had met these guys at a bar and it was i was kind of liking one

04:17:26.580 of them and like oh so then my friend obviously she's like hooking up with the other guy and

04:17:39.700 so once we get to the room i start to realize that i actually don't like the guy that i'm

04:17:46.100 was kind of flirting with the whole time at the bar and i just kind of like focused more of my

04:17:51.540 attention on the other guy what my friend was like also like flirting with at the bar too so then

04:17:58.740 we were like trying to like tell tell the like guy that i was talking to from the bar like okay like

04:18:04.420 can you like get out and like this will be just a threesome now like it's not really a foursome and

04:18:09.700 he had like his big old temper tantrum and like started fighting the guy in his own house and like

04:18:15.380 me and the girl just like sitting there like okay like is this really happening and then we just

04:18:19.940 left y'all should have just fucked each other what wait so there's the main dude whose house it was

04:18:26.180 who was getting down with you and your girlfriend yeah and they were friends and then there's like

04:18:31.620 a random dude no no it was two guys and me and my friend so two guys from the bar and you and your

04:18:37.780 friend but you guys only wanted to fuck the one dude well like at the bar he was cool but then like

04:18:43.860 after the bar once we got back to the other guy's house like i just realized like how like not cool

04:18:49.860 he was and just like lame and i don't know he was just being weird like too much like too aggressive

04:18:56.580 and like just too much where as my friend's guy like she was flirting with he was like super cool

04:19:01.620 super laid back like he wasn't being like thirsty about anything like we're already there like you don't

04:19:07.540 have to try anymore just like saying like random things like and just i don't know just being sure

04:19:12.820 well okay uh just question for everybody here at the table who here has had a threesome anybody

04:19:20.500 that's it my dad is watching foursome

04:19:27.940 you almost almost four sums 3.5 okay 3.5 you also said one night stands after the club

04:19:34.340 thoughts um did you have something on one night stands after the club

04:19:38.900 oh like what were my thoughts on one night stands well you mentioned you wanted to talk

04:19:44.500 about it on the show so oh like that was just a question like what was everyone's thoughts of

04:19:49.620 like one night stands after the club disavow i think i like 10 i want a 10 000 night stand

04:19:57.620 like if i fucking excuse me excuse me if i sleep with a girl i want to continue seeing her so

04:20:07.620 like to me what's the point of like sleeping with somebody once yeah i think they value men much more

04:20:14.340 like they benefit men much more than they benefit women yeah word okay um let's see you also said

04:20:24.180 personally if you're single you have the freedom to date and do whatever you please i don't think

04:20:27.940 being in the talking stage validates you as being taken yes i agree oh hey nick there's a post that

04:20:35.620 we reacted to it's in the just the dropbox folder i think it is hold on it was a reddit post it's like

04:20:42.900 a weird string of numbers it's like f8 lj it's about the we can react to that actually i don't know if we

04:20:51.700 have time um actually we don't have time but um so do you guys agree with that though if we haven't

04:21:00.260 verbally discussed that we are official and like we're gonna be just like me and you then yeah you

04:21:08.020 can do anything you want other than that i think you're single you're open to date whoever i mean

04:21:14.180 technically yes be safe about it though like don't put nobody's sexual health at risk though like i think

04:21:19.380 that's also important but yeah i'm not gonna be delusional and think that just because we're

04:21:25.620 talking oh my god now let me just not talk to no other guy right now i think that there should be

04:21:30.980 like communication through it like be like hey we're talking are we gonna be serious are we just

04:21:36.740 talking like what's going on you know because when you're talking there's a lot of things that can

04:21:41.380 happen and it can be taken like four different ways so it's always good to just clarify and make sure

04:21:45.780 well and you said you were like you're cool with dating like seeing multiple people it sounded like

04:21:51.380 you recommend women date multiple people yes at what point though do you think that you should

04:21:56.820 open the window to ask that question because i feel like ask the question to be with multiple people

04:22:02.740 no like um be communicative of like um what what are like what is it like are you gonna like not

04:22:09.620 sleep with nobody else like when is when is that window flirting actively like talking about future

04:22:16.420 plans together and talking about perhaps starting a relationship is when you should actually start

04:22:21.780 being like hey when it moves on from the friend stage basically like when you're just friends if

04:22:27.300 you know because you know if someone's trying to date you like you sorry you know if someone's

04:22:31.780 trying to like be with you you know even if you're just talking you can tell like you know so i feel

04:22:39.300 like you should honestly know when to ask i'll give you a more direct answer from the moment you

04:22:44.820 realize that your feelings are deeper and you want more i think that crosses your mind you should ask

04:22:51.380 yeah or like bring up how you feel about it i've got a hot take on this one this is my own personal

04:22:56.980 view and standard the moment i go on a first date with a girl if you want a second date with me

04:23:04.340 it has to be a wrap with every other guy you're seeing you you've decided you want to see me again

04:23:11.140 the other guys are a wrap that's it huh you agree no like look if you want to be a garden tool go ahead

04:23:20.020 but certainly low if i don't even want to go on a first date with a girl that's fucking another guy

04:23:25.940 i that doesn't even interest me if you're currently sleeping with a dude i don't care if you're not

04:23:30.500 exclusive with him i don't care if it's an open thing whatever i don't it's not worth my time to

04:23:36.740 even go on a date with you even if you like fall like you really dig me and you're gonna curve the

04:23:42.660 dude that you're fucking bro there's no scenario where i want to be going on a first date with the

04:23:47.540 girl and she's fucking another dude so immediately that's a disqualifier so i want very quickly your

04:23:54.340 undivided sexual and romantic attention and people might think yo that's some crazy bro that's way too

04:24:01.220 soon blah blah blah but how many people are complaining about hookup culture how many people

04:24:05.060 are complaining about being in situationships for fucking six months maybe that's moving too fast but

04:24:12.020 i just view it like it works like i i don't like i don't want to be dealing with a girl that's like

04:24:22.100 fucking other dudes or even going on dates with other dudes i want your again your undivided

04:24:27.220 sexual and romantic attention is it fair for like the woman to ask the same from you though

04:24:33.300 like if you can get it yeah like if she does that is it like valid and fair for you to do the same

04:24:39.140 like reciprocate that like i mean anyone else i mean it would be a very good screening mechanism

04:24:45.380 because if your goal as a woman is commitment and you might say well i'm gonna scare off the guy

04:24:50.260 i mean if the guy's really into you he's attracted to you

04:24:57.300 he otherwise he's just exploring his options and you're just an option

04:25:01.620 um granted some guys they're just trying to poe around fuck a bunch of chicks you might not be able

04:25:07.460 that early on to get that but i would argue like if you come with that kind of energy early on you might

04:25:14.660 be surprised you might find a guy who's like let's fucking do this fuck all this situation ship not

04:25:20.420 knowing where we stand like it actually could be a very positive paradigm for people to approach

04:25:26.100 things because i don't think people are satisfied with oh let me just be in a situation ship for six

04:25:30.660 months and he's fucking other chicks and i'm fucking other dudes and so um yeah so for i mean me

04:25:36.740 personally like i only deal with i well ideally i only deal with women who have a very high level

04:25:43.300 of interest and if she's cut off or doesn't have other sexual and romantic options for me i'm going

04:25:50.980 to be much more inclined to want to just pursue her so yeah so all right i just want to say that when

04:25:59.860 i encourage women to you know date multiple men i'm not saying that they should be sleeping with

04:26:06.020 those men okay um yeah like don't sleep with men until like they show commitment to you and you know

04:26:13.780 like you guys form a relationship now i encourage women to date multiple men why because we tend to

04:26:20.340 like bond quickly and um you know develop feelings and you know attachment to certain men and that may not be

04:26:28.660 the best match so i feel women should explore their options right and see okay whose guy is giving me

04:26:35.780 the most attention whose guy it's giving you know he's ready to commit uh who's putting the most amount

04:26:42.100 of effort you know those things we have to take into account and you know make better decisions for

04:26:46.500 ourselves instead of you know just picking the first guy that we find can i can i and can i respond to

04:26:51.540 that real quick i get that but there's one statement that obstructs her ability to do that but i don't

04:27:00.420 want them i want him

04:27:05.060 rational okay i feel like women need to be more logic when it comes to relationships and it's true

04:27:11.460 like we tend to you know go you know make excuses and sacrifices for you know those men like and they may not

04:27:19.220 deserve those sacrifices maybe that men it's not good for us maybe them it's a cheating man it doesn't

04:27:25.220 look for commitment or it looks for all the things that you know doesn't align to what i'm looking for

04:27:30.180 in a relationship so again logic you know you know have your your roster right and see which one it's the best

04:27:40.820 match and compare them that's why i like the idea theory i just it's just and don't sleep with them because the moment you sleep with them

04:27:51.540 you're at disadvantage

04:27:54.580 i mean look i think it is kind of the status quo that people have come to accept especially with

04:27:59.300 social media and dating apps that people are going to be dating multiple people

04:28:02.980 both men and women i don't think we necessarily need to accept that and um you it it might work

04:28:11.140 doing this whole dating multiple men thing i will say a guy who knows what he wants and he knows that

04:28:18.100 you're just that he's just an option for you i won't put over he's probably just going to be like

04:28:24.420 the other dudes can never and you've maybe lost out on the guy who's

04:28:28.100 who's otherwise would have given you commitment or who's otherwise a great guy i can say for from

04:28:33.140 my perspective if i'm talking to a girl and you might say brian it's unreasonable for you to expect

04:28:38.820 a girl to just drop all her options immediately or to only be talking to you um maybe it's true maybe

04:28:46.500 it's not but what i can say is this is perhaps the case for me and for a lot of us from i don't know

04:28:51.780 if it's for a lot of men because a lot of men really don't have any standards or boundaries

04:28:56.900 or preferences but if a girl tells me that she's dating other men i'm just not going to pursue you

04:29:04.820 that's it i'm not going to try to pressure you into stop no just like goodbye okay it's over like

04:29:13.540 not going to pursue you there's also competitive men i feel um that's fair men are competitive in

04:29:20.340 nature and if they know that you are maybe talking to other men and if he wants to be the man of your

04:29:26.500 life he's gonna do everything in his hands to make sure that he's the only one and you're you know

04:29:33.220 that that you're giving him you know your undivided attention so he's gonna fight for that position

04:29:39.060 what i'm not for it's woman just you know getting with the first two that they find and they make

04:29:45.940 excuses and sacrifices and that man you know like breaks their heart like no you want to be in my life

04:29:51.460 you have to end your position i just think like when you do fall upon like when you do meet

04:30:01.060 the guy that you really like if it if it becomes evident to him that you're maybe you're not sleeping

04:30:06.180 with other guys although a lot of women are you're dating other men like if i went on a date with a girl

04:30:13.540 and she we we've had girls come on the podcast say they'll go on two dates in a day i don't care how

04:30:18.660 fucking cool you are if i find out that i took you on a date and then you dipped to go on a date with

04:30:25.700 another dude it's a wrap i don't want anything to do with you that's just disrespectful similarly

04:30:33.300 women will go on three four five six dates a week i went on a date with you you got three dates lined

04:30:38.740 up with other men it's just a headache for me i don't want to deal with low interest women

04:30:43.780 by the if we go on the first date if you want a second date the other guys have to be around

04:30:47.540 that's it i'm gonna deal with oh you're still you're on the fence about me you still want to get

04:30:53.380 no like okay and not it not every guy agrees with me some guys are like hey that's a reality

04:30:59.620 this is sorry grid one motorsports donated 200 do you only give bad advice please stop

04:31:08.980 one dude at a time dating multiple dudes is an immediate red flag and actual good men will

04:31:14.340 move on to a woman that has respect and dates purposefully

04:31:19.700 women explore your options

04:31:24.500 yeah disavow disagree disagree okay um going back to you uh you do old of correct yes what kind of

04:31:31.540 content you do on the of um solo content boy girl girl girl mostly solo have you done any boy girl

04:31:37.700 content um in the past but not any not anymore with just one guy or multiple yeah just one guy just

04:31:43.380 one guy like a boyfriend or something yeah you guys were doing content together yeah okay um i have

04:31:48.180 a question so i noticed you're wearing a cross and then you're nick can you pull up her instagram

04:31:55.540 i noticed this on your instagram um

04:32:01.940 it's going to take a sec but first woman of god

04:32:05.140 uh nick nick what's your instagram uh nikki foreign egg god nick

04:32:13.860 nick nick just put you can pull up the youtube video and it's in the description of the

04:32:29.220 okay um are there any chats are there any chats here uh no there's no chats guys go to twitch.tv

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04:32:46.340 my bio says god first but what was going to be the question well i got it right yeah i got it right

04:32:53.380 because god is first

04:32:56.980 um god first one of one goat is that a goat yeah because i'm a capricorn oh okay what is what does

04:33:03.780 one of one mean like i'm one of one there's only one of me so you're special is what you're saying

04:33:11.140 there's only one version of me there's only one sure that's true i guess yeah there's not a double

04:33:17.300 of me but you think like couldn't anybody say that yeah everyone is welcome to saying that they're one

04:33:22.500 of one themselves yeah so but like doesn't that if you're trying to point out that you're special but

04:33:28.260 everybody is a one if everyone's a one of one don't you think it's kind of arbitrary and redundant

04:33:33.620 to put it in the instagram profile no because i wanted to put that in my sure uh pull it back

04:33:40.820 up you said god first yes um so i'm curious right like do you consider yourself a traditional woman

04:33:47.780 do i believe in god yes no but different question um do you consider yourself a traditional woman

04:33:54.420 i don't know what a traditional woman would be living in 2003 with housewife type with instagram

04:34:01.380 and with social media and with the dating pool that's going and with everything that's happening

04:34:06.180 in the world and what how women are becoming like more independent like i'm not i'm not gonna

04:34:11.380 subscribe can you show us the cross the necklace oh you have a tattoo tattooed and i have the cross on

04:34:17.380 my well i'm curious like how do you reconcile god first cross tattoo cross necklace i mean don't

04:34:26.500 do you think god would approve of you doing only fans in porn yes god loves me yes one thousand

04:34:32.100 wait god approves of you god loves me can i just have you feel like this is that scene from from

04:34:39.540 fucking um the wolf of wall street where they're on the boat with jordan belford and he tries to bribe

04:34:46.900 the fbi agent or whatever and he and the fbi agent's like can you say that one more time just the way

04:34:52.980 you said that so in your own words god approves of you doing only fans and porn

04:35:02.900 god loves me no matter what i do god will always no matter what you do yes i i firmly believe that

04:35:10.820 in any decision i make i think god is with me and loves me what if you blaspheme god does he still

04:35:16.180 love you wait theme blaspheme what is that like blasphemy blasphemy yeah blasphemy we're like

04:35:24.500 saying screw god or like i would never say screw god though but you you said he would love you no

04:35:29.540 okay well i would never say that though i guess how do you reconcile being a godly woman but also

04:35:36.980 engaging in porn and doing only fans because i make money off of that sorry that i make money so what if

04:35:44.900 you made what if you made money off of being a drug dealer i'm not ashamed of being an only fans

04:35:52.980 model or how my profile looks or how i look i'm not ashamed at all i i own it and i am a woman of

04:36:00.100 god and i do believe in god and i do believe that i'm still going to go to heaven regardless of any

04:36:05.460 choice or decision that i've made but the original question is does he approve so god will yes he forgives

04:36:12.660 sin but does he approve of it yes he approves of you're not sinning i regardless i'm still going

04:36:19.940 to go to heaven he's still going to love me and he's still going to accept me no matter what is that

04:36:24.420 how that works um my god will do that for me yes well you're christian i'm assuming or catholic or christian

04:36:34.180 yes okay but like i just how that's where i struggle here it's not i'm not saying i necessarily

04:36:40.660 object to you doing only fans and porn how do you reconcile god first being a christian being cat

04:36:48.500 whatever it is but doing only fans and why is porn and only fans a bad thing what if i'm not making

04:36:56.100 a judgment about that like what if i like for example what if i was getting raped right and i needed to

04:37:01.700 leave okay just okay make your point you said i couldn't get out of if i couldn't get out of x

04:37:08.020 amount of situation whatever and i had no other choice but to do that and that was going to give

04:37:13.140 me money to be able to get out of a bad situation like why is it a bad thing now would i want to be

04:37:19.700 continued to be in that situation or get out i'm hold on i'm not i mean it's not really a good example

04:37:26.100 but i'm not following the logic here about how you mentioned being there's a lot of girls that

04:37:32.980 do porn and that are getting out of bad situations that help them to get out of bad situations is that

04:37:40.020 the case for you yes you mean a bad financial situation a bad like home situation yes like

04:37:47.860 domestic violence type thing or i don't remember so you're saying that women are obliged to turn to

04:37:53.940 porn and doing only fans if they're i'm not gonna i'm not gonna be judged when i go to the gates of

04:38:01.300 heaven and god's not gonna be like oh i'm not gonna let you in because you did only fans or porn

04:38:07.220 no he's gonna judge my character how i was was i a kind person was i um i can't see that word either

04:38:14.820 anyways he's not gonna not let me in because of those things he's gonna either let me in or not

04:38:21.380 because of the choices that i've made by being a good human being and being loving and kind and

04:38:28.420 being a good person but not from only fans i'm not hurting nobody yeah but you're sinning i'm not

04:38:33.940 harming you're sinning you're definitely not harming anyone and it's not like

04:38:39.860 god your god does love you and your god does care about you but if you go for all christian beliefs

04:38:47.140 he would not be happy or accept what you were doing but he would forgive you that's for sure

04:38:53.860 but you say you aren't harming anyone you i mean to be frank with all due respect you i mean you are

04:38:58.820 harming you're harming society you're harming men you're you're kind of warping the way the

04:39:03.300 dating scene is and how traditional values i didn't create only fans but you're participating in

04:39:08.180 it so you're participating in the decay of society really but how people are paying for that and how does it

04:39:13.700 necessarily decay society because it's been around for literally generations it talks about it in the

04:39:18.420 bible because it's warping the way sex is viewed by men so they come in and they see these fetishes

04:39:26.020 and then they expect it from their wives and they but that's always been a thing since the dawn of

04:39:31.620 time it's just been around since the dawn of time not only fans but just porn in general only fans and

04:39:37.220 porn takes it to a whole new level okay let me give you an example okay in mexico right before

04:39:46.180 even the internet was a thing you could go down to tj and you can go see some questionable stuff

04:39:52.180 for a price what is this this is so right now all you have to do yeah all you have to do is go online

04:39:58.020 and look stuff up and then you can look up like the weirdest fetishes you want available okay but

04:40:01.940 this is this is totally unrelated and irrelevant to the actual conversation at hand i'm asking you

04:40:07.300 because it's totally unrelated if you guys want to derail the conversation i already answered the

04:40:10.980 question no but okay how you you see like if you weren't so publicly outwardly like i'm a godly woman

04:40:18.420 god first you have a you have a cross do you wear the cross while you're engaging and shooting your

04:40:23.540 porn i do actually i never take it off i've actually never taken it off in like the past i don't know

04:40:28.500 like five rocks yeah abdul yeah get the rock get the rocks you so while you shoot like okay let me

04:40:37.220 ask you a question does jesus say if you love me keep my commandments

04:40:46.020 it says to follow the ten commandments but that's why jesus died on the cross was because

04:40:50.580 no one's gonna keep my command follow the ten commandments and god knew that no one was gonna

04:40:55.700 100 be able to follow the ten commandments which was why jesus had died on the cross to forgive all

04:41:00.820 of our sins yes so he knew that we weren't going to follow them yeah but as a as if you're if you

04:41:07.300 consider yourself a christian person a godly person you need to start moving in a way so it is

04:41:13.380 so which commandment says not to act in porn okay so i i can address that the purpose of pornography

04:41:21.220 is to create lust lust lust is one of the seven deadly sins lusting is equivalent to adultery

04:41:32.260 but those matthews 5 27 28 i'm sorry i'm reading from uh notes here but okay so that being said

04:41:39.860 though okay what is math i'm not even necessarily making a criticism of porn or only fans what i'm

04:41:45.060 making a criticism of is if you're gonna say god first i'm a godly woman you're wearing a cross

04:41:52.180 you've got a cross tattoo but you are like sorry i'm not atheist are you a christian i love god i'm

04:42:00.660 a man of god i'll just say that i'm a man of god do you follow him closely have you read the book of

04:42:05.780 enoch the fuck is that that's a good question what the fuck is that it's um a part of the bible

04:42:10.980 that was taken out um it tells the story of noah's grandfather and what happened during the fall of

04:42:16.500 the angels do you follow god closely huh do you you said this isn't about me like if somebody wants

04:42:24.580 to criticize me for the way i'm moving that's totally fine but i guess like i'm not i i'm not

04:42:29.380 you've got god first in your instagram bio you've got a cross that's bad though like am i why i just

04:42:34.820 what is this bad thing that i'm not saying i'm not even making god what if it was like my daughter

04:42:39.460 or something like i i like i promote that i love god what's so bad about that no my question to you

04:42:46.180 is with i'm not even so much making necessarily a judgment that you do of effort that you do porn

04:42:52.580 it's like how do you reconcile god first wearing a cross having a cross tattoo what with doing of

04:43:00.820 porn it's clearly against the christian faith so like how do you balance that what do you mean how

04:43:09.220 do i i'm not trying to balance it i'm just doing it like i just love god and i believe god and but

04:43:14.820 if okay if so to identify as somebody who's religious or christian you would have to abide i suspect you'd

04:43:22.420 have to abide by certain behaviors and if you're not abiding by those behaviors are you really

04:43:30.420 like a christian okay so you're a christian right have you you would be going i'm a man of god you

04:43:40.020 would be going against it too if you didn't if you didn't wait to have sex before marriage too so

04:43:45.460 you're sinning as well so what does my sin make a difference between yours i think there's there's

04:43:50.420 just because i'm branding it on myself just because i have it on me doesn't make me any different from

04:43:55.300 you it says in the bible that all sins are created the same so no matter which sin you're doing it's

04:44:01.940 all going to be the same i think there are some that i mean no if you read in the bible if you've

04:44:08.340 read the bible you would know that it literally says that all sin is treated equally in the eyes

04:44:13.300 of the lord a sin is a sin no matter what i'm not claiming to be like perfect and holy but like

04:44:19.140 it's very like but you just said that there were degrees two cents but in god's eyes then i take the

04:44:25.700 l on that specific statement that i said in any case it's just to me it's like okay you've got a

04:44:33.460 you're wearing a christian cross you've got a cross tattooed nick pull up the instagram again you've got

04:44:38.020 god first yes on your instagram and right below it is the link to your link tree or whatever that links

04:44:45.780 to your only fans where you're doing porn and you're nude and you're you're it's lust link in

04:44:52.260 bio and then furthermore i mean your photos are pretty revealing yeah it's a marketplace but like

04:45:03.700 god first i don't reconcile i i don't know how you reconcile nick scroll down on the instagram a

04:45:08.740 little bit let's just see bro it's like booty booty booty is this god first is this godly is this

04:45:15.380 like you're gorgeous oh thank you it's just like bruv it's why does it matter it's just her i'm not

04:45:24.100 seeing her you're not doing anything wrong she's just i think it's just a glaring contradiction is

04:45:29.540 what he's pointing out what i use my instagram for is basically like a billboard for example like i'm

04:45:37.780 i'm i'm i'm basically trying to allure or like bring in people to subscribe to my only fans so i'm

04:45:48.260 promoting it or like making it like a market right so i'm sorry that i'm using my instagram as a

04:45:54.180 business maybe you guys use it as like a personal social no it's just you have god first i'm getting

04:46:00.980 to that i personally use it as a business right that's just a business for me god is not going to

04:46:08.020 shame me or like not accept me because i decided to do one business choice like i it's not he's not

04:46:17.060 going to not love me or not accept me does so i mean this is i think this is one of the complaints of

04:46:24.980 a lot of religion if your religion stands for nothing if you don't if the the the followers of

04:46:31.860 the said religion do not adhere to the religious principles uh then what really if you're not

04:46:40.340 following the doctrine where's the like where is the system i'm not a bad person for doing only fans

04:46:49.940 and then what is the doctrine of christianity then it's certainly you can't like it's certainly

04:46:54.900 not let me make pornographic content do you but do you know like the actual like like what is being

04:47:02.340 christian like what does it entail right there's a there's christian doctrine there's ways in which

04:47:10.420 you should move if you're a religious person and those but not even but your shape are perfect like

04:47:15.700 that like nobody's perfect sure but like it seems to me like a pretty glaringly a pretty glaring

04:47:25.620 like how it's so it's such a glaring you could try to tear me down about that but i stand firm in

04:47:33.540 that like i still believe that i am a woman of god and i love god and god is god first right it's

04:47:40.660 just like god first right below it here's a link to my only fans like that's not

04:47:47.700 it doesn't make sense to me you're a bad bitch girl you're fine oh yeah no and to actually reference

04:47:56.020 like so there's a there's a matthew 5 27 28 the purpose of pornography is to create lust lust is one

04:48:04.100 of the seven deadly sins that ergo it is sinful okay but what does it say right after the ten commandments

04:48:09.460 and why did jesus die on the cross literally everyone is going to sin yes it could be sinful

04:48:14.420 but guess what so is talking crap on anyone so is wanting the nintendo switch that your neighbor has

04:48:21.380 so is wanting the tesla that your neighbor has so is everything everyone is going to sin and sinning

04:48:26.500 is a part of life that is why jesus died on the cross and that is the whole point of the christian

04:48:30.740 religion is to acknowledge that you're sinning realize what's going on apologize to god and realize

04:48:38.740 that no matter what you're never going to be better than anyone else we're all in this fight together

04:48:44.260 and we just all need to support each other yes we are human and we will all sin that is not permission

04:48:49.940 to sin you have to it's a call it's a call to be vigilant okay of our thoughts and actions okay but

04:48:59.540 if you're sinning to make a living for yourself that's wrong how because it's a it's a continued

04:49:06.020 pattern of behavior so you don't think that god understands that you're doing it for

04:49:10.500 your own survival in order to be able she can survive without doing only fans okay but it's

04:49:17.060 probably how it's not going to be as convenient are you kidding me just be you think just because

04:49:22.420 something's difficult that it shouldn't be done i don't think that i'm just saying that if someone

04:49:27.460 has an option to make their lives functional for them and they find something that works for them

04:49:33.860 and they're making an income for themselves good for them so god obviously gave her the opportunity

04:49:39.300 to do so everything happens for a reason god who's to say god gave her the opportunity who's

04:49:44.980 to say yeah no no actually who's to say who's to say that this isn't years down the line that this

04:49:52.100 isn't going to be an awakening and opening a door for something else in the future

04:49:56.500 what no not what's not what i meant i actually understand what she's saying so like for instance maybe

04:50:02.020 other agencies maybe other markets there's a lot of things that only fans can open up a door too

04:50:08.900 and to be honest if god led her to this door god has a plan for everyone and i'm not everyone has a

04:50:14.260 path right i'm not saying i'm perfect no i'm not saying that you're saying you're perfect but your whole

04:50:19.700 thing is oh like how would god feel how would god feel none of us know how no we'll know how god will

04:50:25.620 feel but what we do know is that he literally sent down his only son to die on the cross for our sins

04:50:32.660 yeah but that doesn't mean you continually engage in behavior that you know is sinning if i didn't

04:50:38.260 have that in my bio or if i did if i wasn't wearing this if i didn't like is that the difference that

04:50:43.060 i'm just like branding it what's the what is like the thing that's like bothering you about it it's

04:50:48.340 you're wearing a cross you've got a cross tattoo you have i'm just literally secret of god

04:50:55.460 literally a line above your link to your only fans to your porn link it says says what god god first

04:51:04.660 you're clearly not putting god first because if we habitually continually hold on if we can if we

04:51:11.340 habitually and continually constantly joyfully and frequently practice sin we are not children

04:51:18.260 of god and i that's a little note i had here but that's true um i'm not i'm christian i'm not the

04:51:24.580 perfect christian whatsoever um you can still love god but if you want to build a relationship with god

04:51:34.020 if you want to be connected to god you have to let go of sin you have to sacrifice your your oh me and

04:51:41.940 my connection with god is like this honey nobody at this panel or table is gonna does god want you

04:51:48.100 to do porn whatever however i talk to god or however my relationship is with god or whatever

04:51:53.460 my conversations were with god it doesn't matter it's nobody else's opinion but mine it's my

04:51:59.220 relationship with god at the end of the day i don't think god is okay with what you're doing but i do

04:52:06.260 think he'll forgive you so that's fair that could be a fair way to put it that's fair forgive you

04:52:12.180 but you disagree oh no oh okay link in bio oh my god bro this is the most fucking haram shit ever

04:52:22.100 haram um okay um we have brigitte brigitte is it brigitte or brigitte brigitte um let's see

04:52:31.140 fuck we're really behind here on okay i want to okay we're gonna probably end up going a little late but

04:52:35.700 uh part of me really wants to talk to you guys so you know that not everyone who wants equality

04:52:40.980 is stupid honestly i feel as though even i could rebuttal your points better than any of these other

04:52:45.220 women who have literally no points whatsoever um did you want to expand on that there was just

04:52:52.420 it was like in your very beginning of your podcast tilt your mic so sorry just tilt it down tilt it down

04:52:58.420 a little bit um it was in the very beginning of your podcast more yeah go ahead okay it was in the

04:53:04.660 very beginning like when you first started your podcast i watch you a lot on youtube um there was

04:53:10.740 this one girl and i think you had asked like is it like um it was something about how um you know

04:53:19.220 women always want to be like taken care of you know have their stuff paid for etc etc and you were

04:53:25.380 like oh kind of like what if like i think you said what if like that like a man were to want that

04:53:30.900 or something like that okay and the woman was like oh like that's wrong like blah blah blah and

04:53:36.340 you were like why and then crickets like she literally didn't say anything so that was kind

04:53:41.380 of like the main thing that i was looking back to um and once again like especially with that point

04:53:47.380 specifically i feel again as both parties should be equal in all aspects you know when it comes to

04:53:56.020 working yeah if you want you can either have a man having the higher payer job higher paying job or

04:54:01.700 the woman having a higher paying job but what would benefit most is if both parties were working and

04:54:06.820 both having an income for the house to be able to invest it into a roth ira into a retirement account

04:54:12.980 into a trust fund and then once you have enough saved up together which it's going to be marginally

04:54:18.500 easier to save up as a unit than it would be as a singular person individually making an income

04:54:25.780 right use that money that you saved up buy a house start a family and be able to retire early

04:54:32.580 because you have a roth ira so you were you disagree with something a girl said on the show

04:54:42.420 yeah oh okay cool good times good times oh wait going back to you um wait i have a question for

04:54:49.780 anybody here who has plastic surgery

04:54:51.620 wait plastic surgery oh wait that means boobs or like i mean cosmetic cosmetic surgery any enhancement

04:55:05.060 anybody cosmetic surgery anything nothing nothing got my tonsils removed

04:55:11.140 what do you have oh like lips botox in the face yeah anything else no nothing else

04:55:19.460 a little lipo here and there a little lipo bbl no i actually did not transfer no i actually did not

04:55:27.140 oh my god if i got a bbl my ass stop the cap

04:55:35.700 stop the cap no bbl no i work out like almost every single day

04:55:42.900 why do you think she has a bbl

04:55:50.580 is it just because she has a fat ass

04:55:55.700 okay all right if you say so oh man okay okay let's see here we have uh shelby oh don't you said

04:56:03.860 in your instagram it says prettiest girl in the graveyard are you a mortician

04:56:07.060 i want to be oh okay but you're not like a in the funeral business at all no oh okay for some

04:56:14.020 reason i thought you might have been employed in that thing um okay we talked oh wait let me see if

04:56:20.100 the the dude slid in the dms oh let's see the m mr m who's somebody oh my god bro

04:56:30.740 well uh there's a guy who dm me who said that brigitte and normally i don't do this but i'm

04:56:43.700 trying someone says that you gave him head while you're in a four-year relationship

04:56:49.060 who i'm not gonna say what he asked me to keep his name

04:56:54.660 probably it could be bullshit it could be some bullshit but i don't want to know who is this because

04:56:59.780 i don't remember that says gave you gave him head while you're in a four-year relationship

04:57:05.700 i don't know sounds like you might have actually done that shit but okay um

04:57:10.260 okay let's see uh hold on um i lived in oregon oh breakups and how to do it properly we kind of

04:57:18.180 talked about that not being a coward and actually being a good person when taking care of hard

04:57:21.860 shit how to do it properly um

04:57:27.700 i think you've been dating somebody for a while you know like a text is fair you know are you

04:57:33.700 fucking serious kind of that's pathetic yeah that's the type of shit that makes girls go crazy

04:57:40.900 yeah like genuinely you're a piece for like a piece of shit for that what if you do a text

04:57:45.620 yeah i feel girls do that shit too i feel like if you guys were dating yeah but the man had just

04:57:51.460 proposed in front of her dad like not seem a little off perhaps perhaps um let's see uh

04:58:04.580 wait somebody said earlier that it was

04:58:06.420 in response to something i said that it was because of trauma oh yes what was it about was

04:58:13.700 it about the it was not about the bar club thing it was something else no but i think she said it

04:58:18.100 twice i think it was about like not being able to let go of your ego and seeing guys as simps for

04:58:24.180 being nice to women oh right you said it was like a trauma because right attached to you yeah

04:58:29.060 no i don't think there's any trauma i've i've heard from other men though and i see a lot of men

04:58:37.940 spending a lot of money on women that are not their girlfriends i think that's some simp

04:58:44.900 shit you're just mad you're not getting the money what's that you're just mad you're not getting

04:58:51.300 the money no i it's not that i'm mad that i'm not getting some stranger's money it's just like

04:58:56.340 like some simp do you guys think as men that trauma from like past relationship follows men

04:59:07.380 much more than women into future relationships because you guys don't have the same kinds of

04:59:12.900 channels we do to like heal from that trauma or learn from it like do you guys think that

04:59:19.460 your negative experiences follow you guys more into your relationships than they do us we don't go

04:59:25.460 to therapy we start podcasts um okay so that's how they start uh no i mean

04:59:33.380 i i actually think uh i i think it's probably the reverse because men like as women start getting

04:59:41.940 more and more trauma they become more and more masculine typically and that typically makes women

04:59:47.780 less attractive to partners whereas i think look trauma can break anybody but typically like trauma

04:59:55.380 tends to make makes you a bit harder as an individual right you get a thick skin when you've gone

05:00:03.140 through shit but like men we're attracted to women who are soft we don't we don't want like a hard

05:00:10.260 jaded woman tends to turn you a little sour whereas i think that impact on men while it can certainly sour

05:00:18.340 men it gives men experience and it hardens them and women are attracted to hardened men women aren't

05:00:24.900 attracted to soft boys so i think there's a differential there true i think it depends on

05:00:31.700 the woman yeah i'm definitely not attracted to like hardcore men what do you mean hardcore men like

05:00:38.020 hard men like you were saying that's not attractive so you prefer soft men i do i like who haven't had

05:00:45.220 who haven't struggled who haven't gone through adversity no of course but like men in touch

05:00:49.620 with their emotions and able to actually communicate like a fucking girl yeah i like that shit being a

05:00:57.220 hard man doesn't necessarily mean that you have to have gone through a bunch of hardship you can still

05:01:02.580 be wise and have not gone through any hardship like you could have like a for instance you can

05:01:11.140 have a guy grew up healthy relation like healthy family relationship right good mom good dad went

05:01:17.780 to went to high school finished everything great in his life goes to school has a career

05:01:24.500 right raises a family finds a girlfriend you know like it you don't necessarily where was the wisdom

05:01:31.620 acquired in everything you just said the wisdom what's the point yeah um let's see through schooling

05:01:37.300 through family members teaching sharing their experiences and then eventually once you have

05:01:44.740 like the wife and the kids then you gain experience into fatherhood isn't wisdom typically acquired through

05:01:51.460 first-hand experience yes but that can also come from like work it doesn't necessarily have to be

05:01:57.300 something that's super like hardship you know that comes with everyday life like um for instance he's

05:02:03.620 obviously going to have to have a job he's going to learn life skills at that job he's going to gain

05:02:08.100 knowledge at that job he's technically going to go through hardships at whatever job he's going to

05:02:11.620 go to because you're going to have to deal with stress you're going to have to deal with time

05:02:14.980 management you're going to have to deal with renting your own place and just life in general how does

05:02:19.860 that develop his relationship skills well is he can develop his relationship skills through dating

05:02:26.340 oh oh okay grid one motorsports it's grid one two hundred dollars it's grid one everybody getting

05:02:33.620 out of most relationships is not trauma it's freedom and we rarely look back also real men understand how

05:02:41.300 to deal with fear feelings and are not soy boys crying in the flat whites oh wait i just had i just had a

05:02:48.980 total fucking epiphany i think there's a a really big differential in grid one thank you so much because

05:02:54.580 that's just like major fucking light bulb went off in my head so are you guys familiar with this trope

05:03:01.220 of women being attracted to guys who are bad boys yeah like women will be writing letters to dudes in

05:03:08.260 prison like serial killers and shit men really aren't doing that type of shit so when we're talking about

05:03:15.060 trauma like a guy will granted there's like women with bpd and they will fucking ruin their life and

05:03:20.900 shit uh men can definitely get like trauma from dating a chick don't get me wrong however i would

05:03:27.460 argue that women a lot of women will specifically seek to date bad boy types jerks assholes whatever

05:03:39.780 because these men typically tend to have dark triad personality traits that a lot of women find

05:03:44.820 attractive or they confuse for confidence um don't get me wrong there's plenty of good men

05:03:50.340 that are confident but like i would argue a lot of women would rather date like the bad boy who's a jerk

05:03:56.340 but he's confident versus like the nice guy right so could it be could it be the case that

05:04:05.860 women actually develop more trauma because of the very men that women choose to date because women are

05:04:12.660 attracted to bad boys and jerks and assholes whereas men we're typically attracted to like

05:04:19.380 soft and kind women

05:04:21.940 i mean like for example for example there's this uh thing called it's hebristophilia is it hebristophilia

05:04:30.020 let me just

05:04:33.540 hebristophilia wait it's hebristophilia

05:04:38.580 hebristophilia meaning to perpetuate wait uh oh the phenomenon of an individual being sexually aroused by

05:04:48.980 a criminal offender so this typically manifests itself more so in women than in men

05:04:54.900 and so women are to some degree are attracted to the criminal not all women of course

05:05:00.980 find to some degree criminality attractive in men because men who have a propensity towards violence

05:05:07.460 or criminality are more capable of defend defending you or have the capacity for violence and women

05:05:14.500 find that attractive obviously i'm not saying women want to be beaten or anything by men but you want a

05:05:20.180 guy who's capable of protecting you in some sort of self-defense or violence situation so guy who has

05:05:25.540 capacity for violence and this can be met this can be evidenced like if you're a violent criminal that

05:05:31.540 could be attractive to women so could it be the case that women actually confer more trauma and

05:05:39.380 baggage from their relationships because they're attracted to men who might be toxic yes

05:05:46.340 um one of the things that i learned in psychology is that we tend to date

05:05:52.340 a whoever is reminding us of the most difficult parent so if that person you know um grew up having a

05:06:01.860 difficult father um maybe he was absent or maybe he was abusive that person have the tendency to seek

05:06:09.460 that you know those you know behaviors in you know their partners because you know subconsciously they're

05:06:16.020 trying to like fix their relationship with the you know with their father through their partners and

05:06:23.300 it's also because that's what they're comfortable it's all they've known yeah so it takes some experience

05:06:29.700 to like teach yourself that's not what's normal and getting out of what you're comfortable with because

05:06:35.540 you're used to that emotional instability you're used to that absence yeah use like the manipulation just

05:06:42.100 not having like someone stable so those are organically like the types of people you originally

05:06:48.980 attract but then you like can get out of that cycle you know and realize and come to like matters

05:06:56.020 with the fact that that is why you previously liked people like that and that used to be like me

05:07:02.020 previously like i used to like like boys like for so long because yeah because of family trauma like that

05:07:09.300 also i just i want to add on to my previous point i would argue that

05:07:16.900 perhaps women get more trauma and baggage from relationships because a lot of women pursue men

05:07:23.940 that excite them in some way you often hear women almost need you need to have the vibe the chemistry

05:07:31.940 the click etc etc etc this sort of nebulous of vague term the vibe the chemistry the click who is

05:07:38.820 best capable of eliciting that in women typically playerish dudes guys who are don't really give a

05:07:45.860 fuck about you assholes jerks bad boys etc it's a trope like this is this is a thing this is a

05:07:51.700 stereotype women are attracted to bad boys okay well low self-esteem women are attracted to a lot of

05:07:59.140 women there's even women who are high self-esteem women who i need a bad boy phase i need to date around

05:08:04.180 and date a whole bunch of different kinds of guys like i'm not saying all women but like there's

05:08:09.780 certainly something to be said that women are far more attracted like women are much more willing to

05:08:14.420 date a guy who displays criminality for example than the reverse i would argue um additionally i would

05:08:21.780 say that typically you hear women complain about men being boring he's not funny like for example men don't

05:08:29.700 have it very high on the totem pole of is she funny is she entertaining who's the guy who's going to

05:08:36.020 keep you entertained and keep you on your feet and keep you excited and keep that like dopamine uh keep

05:08:42.180 that the the rush of excitement probably kind of toxic guys that kind of treat you a certain way

05:08:51.460 so and let me add um i hate using the term trauma i think trauma is one of these buzzwords

05:08:57.620 that's getting overused um using to describe regular shit that occurs people break up people

05:09:03.700 go through heartbreak as humans we're equipped to deal with heartbreak it doesn't mean it was trauma

05:09:08.660 um and women take on more trauma than men do because women have more unrealistic expectations in

05:09:15.940 relationships which means when their expectations aren't met their goals aren't met they take much

05:09:20.980 more of a hit women have a heightened stress response they respond to stress differently than men

05:09:25.460 they experience stress deeper than men and they're more deeply affected by the way they're going to

05:09:30.100 perceive relationships when they move forward after they didn't meet their expectations in their

05:09:35.140 previous dating experiences the most traumatic thing a man typically experiences with a woman is infidelity

05:09:41.940 and and if you ask me when a man experiences a certain level of acute trauma i'm gonna say acute

05:09:47.380 because there's various types of trauma so acute trauma when a man experiences that acute trauma

05:09:52.500 then what that does is that sharpens him that makes him more aware of the reality of female nature

05:09:58.580 what women are capable of what women will do and that primes him to better deal with women in his

05:10:03.860 future set boundaries that he didn't set in his first relationship uh have standards have preferences exhibit

05:10:10.740 those things demonstrate those things things that he probably didn't do because a lot of men love

05:10:15.380 really really naively when they first get into relationships they think women won't do certain things they

05:10:21.060 think women aren't capable of doing certain things and then when that woman does it it's like oh

05:10:25.780 shit like i got cheated on oh shit she fucked me over now i know moving forward what to look for in women

05:10:34.340 and that makes him more attractive because now he becomes the guy who's much more hardened emotionally he

05:10:40.500 becomes the guy who's not scared to tell a woman no he becomes the guy who's not scared to hold a woman

05:10:45.700 accountable these are things that women actually respond to and men they they they like men like that do

05:10:50.980 these things whereas with women women will constantly curb men once they've experienced

05:10:55.940 something traumatic i'm not going through that again i'm not doing that men ain't shit fuck men

05:11:01.060 those are the things you hear women say when they've been hurt so i think it affects women a little

05:11:06.580 deeper than it does men and i think in reverse it makes women less attractive to men and makes them

05:11:11.860 less willing to get in relationships whereas men it preps them more for the reality and the brutality

05:11:17.860 that comes with dealing with women that they were unaware of prior to that that's my that's my

05:11:23.380 opinion yeah i often i don't often hear men saying oh there there just wasn't the chemistry or there

05:11:30.420 there wasn't the vibe the click he's not she's not funny i need a i need a funny girl like guys aren't

05:11:36.580 really saying that i think when women say there's no chemistry there's no vibe there's no lightning

05:11:40.900 there's no butterflies there's no whatever it is he's boring translation he doesn't trigger my

05:11:47.460 anxious trauma response which i confuse with the love

05:11:54.020 also like when it comes to men being funny your demands that men be funny or that men be entertaining

05:12:02.100 or whatever like we should not be boring we're not here to be your entertainment if you want

05:12:06.660 entertainment go get netflix but that's not our job i think in the relationship so um let me get

05:12:12.660 through my notes here uh hold on we have uh i want to go what's everybody uh type nah we don't have to

05:12:22.020 do everyone's type um i want to do that uh jordan you said you haven't exactly or you haven't exactly

05:12:28.900 dated since 2019 yeah i haven't dated anyone since 2019 um you said modern dating culture is a disaster

05:12:38.980 um yeah um i mean it's all the online dating apps everything like that i feel like like i said before

05:12:45.540 people are disposable now um everyone swipes on everyone we're doing a first appearance like they

05:12:52.020 see you for two seconds and they swipe on you i just think it's really strange i know not everybody is on

05:12:57.460 the dating apps or anything like that but it's just my opinion on dating now

05:13:03.940 is it kind of stems from feminists i feel like they've ruined the dating culture they've really

05:13:09.220 ruined men in general they're confusing men so i think men take out women and they don't really

05:13:15.940 know what to expect women get all weird about i could get my door myself and but you also need

05:13:22.900 to pay the bill and it's it's just it's really strange i think women are just confusing men so

05:13:28.420 they're turning men feminized wait have you so you said you haven't dated since 2019 um so you've been

05:13:34.660 like have you been celibate yes since 2019 yes 2019 24 years five years almost five almost five

05:13:44.420 four or five wow okay honestly i don't think it's women ruining men i really do agree that people are

05:13:53.860 becoming disposable but i don't think it's women to blame i think it's the extended use of technology

05:14:01.860 in media that contributes to these dating apps um people's false perception that they have many options

05:14:08.740 and that there are way more attractive people than they are but also you know just perception

05:14:14.420 of themselves the sure yeah the false perception of themselves just the false perception

05:14:20.020 all around and just that false belief that you could get someone else easily because you're seeing

05:14:28.180 so many people you can interact with so many people but that person you might interact with when

05:14:34.020 you stop the connection with the other one might not have a lot of the qualities that the other

05:14:38.340 person did but you have this false perception but see that's what's weird to me is now people are

05:14:43.140 juggling all of these guys and vice versa and to me that's weird i don't even understand how you can

05:14:48.500 find that many people to juggle all at once like these people who will find rebounds like almost instantly

05:14:54.100 has always been it's always it's always been very confusing to me um so for me dating i mean it was

05:15:02.500 kind of like what we talked about earlier i mean once you go out on the second date to me i mean

05:15:06.580 that kind of means you don't really talk to anyone else because you're i mean even considering going

05:15:12.420 out again with someone it's like i to me i i take it a little more seriously because i'm like i'm

05:15:17.700 intrigued by this person now um so therefore all the other people on the sidelines are kind they're not

05:15:23.380 as intriguing so like why would i waste my time but the fact that people are juggling so many different

05:15:28.340 the whole i don't know there's so many of the situationships now and i don't even understand

05:15:33.540 how any of that works it just is very confusing to me but i agree technology is definitely playing

05:15:39.380 a role in uh what's happening in the dating world but i think feminists in general are the ones who are

05:15:46.260 who are really ruining it what specific actions would you say that feminists do that ruin dating wait

05:15:53.460 before you answer that and we will have her answer that i do want to go around the table on this do

05:15:58.980 you consider yourself a feminist no non-applicable what do you mean i'm just neither man i just want

05:16:08.260 equality for everyone if that makes sense like even the guys like oh in your notes here you said you

05:16:14.180 were a feminist oh i did and you're a political a political feminist

05:16:22.580 cool i guess i'm that

05:16:26.740 are you that's just the question i mean like i said like i don't know if it falls in line with

05:16:31.940 feminist belief or with traditionalist belief but i think that like like i've been saying this whole time

05:16:37.780 everyone should work towards their goal equally and a relationship should be a partnership we're both

05:16:43.940 parties are equal and they both do help each other grow okay right sure so yeah okay i'm not like a

05:16:52.500 hardcore nazi kind of feminist but yeah i would say i'm a feminist okay no no not from what it has

05:17:02.420 become yeah me too same you okay obviously yeah i think i need some water

05:17:13.620 um what was sorry your question for her was what specific actions do you feel as though

05:17:21.060 feminists are doing that ruin like modern dating or contribute to the dating apps because it seemed like

05:17:27.620 you're connecting feminists to dating apps well i think dating apps it's a contributing factor when

05:17:32.820 i'm saying feminists in general um it's just that culture so it's the you know toxic masculinity women

05:17:39.060 are very um i feel like they're trying to break men down um they want equality for everyone so long i

05:17:45.540 feel like is they're on top of the pyramid um like i said before they're confusing men so men are supposed

05:17:52.180 to be the ones who go out and they approach you and they set up the date and you know the pressure's

05:17:58.340 on for the men and um i feel like now women are kind of dominating that and men don't really know what

05:18:05.780 to do because women are just like the whole boss bitch culture and i'm independent and i don't need

05:18:11.300 you and i can do whatever i want it's it's just i think it's confusing the entire culture

05:18:16.100 we need the gender roles back basically is what i'm saying i think we do too but i feel as though

05:18:22.340 both men and women play a role in that in their own way yeah i think the gender i think the gender

05:18:29.220 rules were just kind of crap only because like let's say like you were a good wife right let's say

05:18:39.620 you did everything everything was perfect you have like three kids right he leaves you don't

05:18:45.860 have a job you have nothing how are you going to support yourself and your kids are you going to

05:18:50.420 leech off him and then just get child support like you're going to live on child support yes that's

05:18:56.420 what women do through the brutal alimony system feed off of this man who decided to leave like

05:19:02.900 yes that's exactly how's that when you are maintaining your own son your own blood yeah versus

05:19:08.660 nowadays we can have our own job grow with our partner and then even if our partner does decide to

05:19:13.220 leave we we can still raise the kids ourselves right i'm pretty sure it's mainly women who

05:19:19.220 initiate majority of the divorces yeah women typically are ending relation women typically

05:19:23.780 end relationships and they typically are the ones initiating divorce it's like 80 of divorces

05:19:28.820 are initiated by women so it's funny to me because women constantly drone on and on

05:19:33.780 men aren't willing to commit men are commitment phobic but when you do get relationships when women do get

05:19:39.460 relationships when they do get commitment when they do get the ring when they do get the marriage

05:19:43.540 they overwhelmingly end them it's not clear to me if women actually want commitment because till death

05:19:50.660 do us part has to mean something and frankly it doesn't well even though it can sometimes be women

05:19:54.900 it's not always women right the majority majority of the time but it's not always is it doesn't have

05:20:01.380 it don't it don't have to be majority sets the precedent for his point okay but my point also

05:20:08.660 is too so then if a woman leaves right and that's her choice that man can still support himself that

05:20:14.420 man can still continue to live correct but my point is if we had societal roles back and the man decided

05:20:22.420 to leave then that would put a lot of women in jeopardy of not being able to get a job not being

05:20:27.620 able to support their family because even child support isn't enough 100 of the time and we all

05:20:32.100 know this especially depending on what state you're in but that's because we're looking at

05:20:34.900 marriage different now now we're looking at marriage as an inevitable divorce that's what

05:20:39.780 we're looking at it so when gender roles back in the day divorce was not common at all so there was

05:20:45.700 never the threat or danger of that happening because they knew that if they left they'd be

05:20:51.460 they'd be fucked they'd be fucked yeah they'd be fucked they'd have to pay to support a woman and

05:20:56.900 their child no what incentive does a man have to leave a woman that he gets down on one knee and

05:21:01.620 asked to be his wife and spend the rest of his life with there's a lot it depends on that man

05:21:06.580 no no i've seen it happen multiple times no in your opinion what would provoke a man to leave

05:21:14.660 a woman that he proposed to and wanted to be his wife in my opinion there's a lot of things there

05:21:21.700 could be something new maybe they went to go use drugs maybe they found another partner maybe they

05:21:26.900 got cold feet and changed their mind maybe they all of a sudden decided hey you know what this was

05:21:31.780 too fast for me i don't want to be a dad it happens all the time men typically don't leave relationships

05:21:37.620 they just don't they typically don't so do you have like the actual like statistic

05:21:41.940 on like the percentage ratio of men to women that leave like the actual statistic percentage from

05:21:46.820 if if 70 to 80 percent of women initiate divorce that means what that still means that 30 of men

05:21:56.500 that's still 30 of men when you think of how many people are on the planet it doesn't matter what

05:22:00.580 percentages those little percentages that you can think of are still billions of people compared to

05:22:05.860 everyone in the world like if you're looking at this is it a global statistic or is it a statistic

05:22:09.860 from the u.s no that's the stat from the u.s but you assuming it's just men actually the other

05:22:15.540 percentage would be mutual the 80 is mutual no no 80 the 80 is women the the rest is mutual 20 they

05:22:26.180 agree the most the man and the woman agree to leave the relationship or in the marriage so you're

05:22:30.660 saying that zero percent of the time a man will decide to not because that's what you just said not

05:22:34.660 zero percent but an overwhelming majority of the time it's the woman leaving so your point doesn't

05:22:42.340 hold much weight you're saying majority of the time but my point is that it still happens of course

05:22:47.860 it happens every now and then it's rare though and is it not harder but how does that support your

05:22:52.740 point that supports my point because if we go back to being traditionalists like how are we going to

05:22:58.660 support ourselves like i said because you're thinking about it on the wrong wavelength completely

05:23:03.780 i do rather just like listen to the whim and do whatever someone tells you to do like your property

05:23:09.700 you said before it's a partnership a marriage is a partnership yeah but how are how are you working

05:23:14.100 as a partnership when you're not both working so it's going to take longer for you to save up because

05:23:19.460 you have one person financially bringing in money and majority of that money is going to the child

05:23:24.580 it's going to the mortgage it's going to the car it's going to you where's the savings where's the

05:23:30.260 investments you see what i'm saying it's better if both no i don't think wait wait i'm sorry i do

05:23:37.300 have to move on because we're running low on time i finally want to get to ella here she's been waiting

05:23:42.580 very patiently we gotta we got we got multiple videos of hers to react to so nick pull up the articles

05:23:47.460 first ella recently went viral of she's got some hot takes here uh nick if you can pull it up

05:23:54.580 i never this is is this the first article in the in the list so this is from which publication nick is

05:24:01.860 this this was in april scroll up this is the independent wait no no no i never scroll up a

05:24:09.700 little bit i never split the bill people call me a gold digger but they've just got low standards

05:24:15.460 uh scroll down just a tad uh scroll just so i could read some of the article uh actually next we'll just

05:24:23.860 look at the other ones this is from the daily mail can you exile that thing in the top left corner

05:24:29.300 whatever um woman 24 who refuses to split the bill on any date slams critics who say she's a money

05:24:36.740 hungry gold digger insisting men should reward the time and effort she puts in so she can look her best

05:24:41.620 for them uh can you scroll up just a tad oh there's nothing up there never mind next

05:24:49.940 it's just the same article scroll up or make it bigger a little bit this is from the express

05:24:55.380 i'm a proud gold digger i get what i want and women should learn from my dating rules yeah sometimes

05:25:03.140 with these publications they definitely like to uh yeah put next one that was a video they

05:25:10.100 mirror from the mirror i never split bill on dates some say i'm a gold digger but it's a man's job

05:25:15.060 and then finally the new york post i never split the bill on dates women can learn from gold diggers

05:25:21.860 uh scroll up or make it bigger i mean yeah oh a little too big a little too big uh wait too small

05:25:30.260 now god damn the new york post the fucking ads scroll up no up i'll just read the first few paragraphs a

05:25:39.860 new york-based influencer doesn't care that she's been branded a gold digger because she believes that men

05:25:44.100 should always foot the bill when it comes to dating as a matter of dignity influencer ella

05:25:49.460 freeman freeman for 24 said that she would never go dutch on a date believing any man who would

05:25:54.740 suggest such an arrangement isn't serious about his role in the potential relationship by splitting

05:25:59.540 the bill i'm agreeing to form a connection with a man who doesn't know his role in a relationship

05:26:04.500 and expect expects me to be 50 50 of the man he's not i've learned that men who split the bill don't

05:26:09.860 value the time and effort a woman puts into herself to look her best for that man

05:26:13.620 plus 50 50 men don't understand that the woman's investments investment was made prior to the

05:26:18.500 date the self-confident singleton continued wait scroll up i don't want to see that show about the

05:26:23.780 war um a little less so i can continue by uh the self-confident singleton continued by not agreeing to

05:26:32.340 split the bill the woman keeps her dignity intact and avoids bad experiences with men so first off do you

05:26:39.860 feel like the characterizations of some of those titles and those articles do you think they were

05:26:43.300 fair do you think they're kind of putting words in your mouth what are your thoughts on those and then

05:26:46.660 we'll react to some of your videos i don't think they're fair but i know why they would you know

05:26:52.900 write it like that it's sensationalist um it grabs people's attention and society hates gold diggers

05:27:01.060 um and i think i don't think there's such a thing as a gold digger i think women are naturally

05:27:08.580 materialistic we're inclined to um seek for partners that are you know successful uh can provide can

05:27:16.260 protect um and mislabeling labeling that's how you say mislabeling like labeling wrong well let's react to

05:27:26.420 some of your tiktoks here so nick it's wrong and it's just trying to um humble woman for you know

05:27:34.100 something that okay it's ingrained sure ingrained in our dna dna yeah

05:27:41.220 my first viral video all right uh go ahead you can play it if you haven't been called a gold digger

05:27:48.100 at least three times in your life then your standards are too low um how many times have you been called a

05:27:54.100 gold digger countless countless countless times after that video yeah how many times have you been

05:28:01.140 a gold digger i've never been a gold digger i have never i feel i have feelings because i feel like a

05:28:08.500 gold digger you know doesn't care about anyone's feeling doesn't care about consequences and it's

05:28:13.860 only in it for the money yeah i could never do that um for the next next video i can't uh so we don't

05:28:22.340 even need well we can play go ahead if you're not getting spoiled by men in your hometown come to

05:28:26.740 miami where millionaires pay your bills just because you're pretty

05:28:32.900 is that your experience no it's not but what do you mean you said it in your

05:28:37.220 i said it i said it um i don't know like everyone in my like everyone knows that in miami it's for the

05:28:43.940 girls like you get you know stuff for free all the time like you can go with zero in your bank and

05:28:51.460 still have fun so kind of sounds like life on easy mode oh we're like you know we live in a

05:28:56.900 patriarchal society and like the little ways that we can benefit from it like we're um patriarchy okay

05:29:03.300 um kind of sounds like female privilege a little bit i mean we're already oppressed so like living in

05:29:12.100 like trying to dismantle patriarchy and you know all of that stuff like great i'm not gonna

05:29:20.420 want to dismantle no no no like uh wait do you admire people that do that wait you admire women

05:29:26.740 that want to woman that wants to dismantle dismantle patriarchy of course yeah but i just i'm just not

05:29:33.060 gonna make it make sense but you want the patriarchy to be dismantled like we already living in in in

05:29:40.340 the patriarchal society i don't think so i think we live in a gynocentric i just don't want to live

05:29:44.740 my life where i constantly have to fight against it if i can benefit from it you know what i'm saying

05:29:52.500 like don't get mad get paid kind of thing so wait you said you're oppressed like women are

05:29:59.140 oppressed in a patriarchal society no so you're you're oppressed right now i don't feel i don't

05:30:05.540 feel oppressed because i i enjoy rights you know the same rights that men you know enjoy are oppressed

05:30:13.060 what do you say which women are oppressed if you're not in other countries a lot of we're talking

05:30:17.780 about here oh yeah we're talking about the us because she said she asserts that there's a

05:30:21.780 patriarchy in the united states ergo if the patriarchy is oppressive i assume it's oppressing

05:30:27.780 women so well going around the table do you guys do you believe there's a patriarchy i think so yeah

05:30:34.980 like yeah i don't know yes i don't know what patriarchy means that's fine i don't know no comment what

05:30:44.180 do you mean no comment i don't know do you just are you familiar with the the term of the patriarchy

05:30:53.140 yes i am but you don't know if there is a patriarchy or you just don't want to say it i guess i don't

05:31:00.100 know they said i don't know and i agree why aren't you picking on them well you said no comment initially

05:31:08.260 i would prefer not to talk about okay no i'm just going to assume your position then and i'm going

05:31:18.100 to assume that you believe there's a patriarchy if you choose to not comment on it that's just

05:31:22.340 i'm just going to assume your position the way this isn't even like that controversial of it

05:31:27.780 like this is mainstream like you hear in colleges

05:31:39.700 are you like you're you can't you're not going to get canceled i personally haven't experienced

05:31:46.180 the patriarchy but i believe maybe it exists in some parts of the country or some people have

05:31:51.540 experienced it but i'm not one to say that it does exist and is tangible but from my own life

05:31:56.900 experience that's not a thing i think that still women and men play different like roles so i don't

05:32:04.260 think there's anything wrong with that yeah we have it easier and men are able to take on challenges

05:32:10.020 easier i think so especially when it comes to making money i don't know that's what i you're on a dating

05:32:17.540 podcast like it's okay to have an opinion yeah that's what i think no i'm not talking to you i'm

05:32:21.460 talking to you oh i know so you're just gonna no comments the conversation i'm assuming you have

05:32:28.900 some position on this

05:32:33.140 yeah i do why did you want to come tonight if you're not going to engage in the conversation

05:32:38.260 have i not been not really well i apologize for that well this is me trying to reel you into the

05:32:45.780 conversation and just saying no comment like okay whatever i'm not gonna waste any more time on this

05:32:50.420 i'm just gonna move on um so okay

05:32:57.540 under the patriarchy those of you who believe in the patriarchy do you think women are oppressed

05:33:01.460 wait correct me if i'm wrong patriarchy is a society where it's predominantly governed by men

05:33:07.540 correct or not or how would you define patriarchy i mean there's a whole bunch of different i mean

05:33:13.140 i've heard various different definitions of it but typically probably the more generous definition

05:33:18.820 of it would be a society where leadership positions top positions in corporations

05:33:29.380 those who occupy positions of power those in government are men typically okay i've heard it's

05:33:36.580 a society built by men for men i've heard that i've heard uh a couple other definitions of it but

05:33:44.980 i mean you use the term so we can we live in a patriarchal we are we live in a patriarchy

05:33:49.940 because most of the presidents and governors happen to be men

05:33:56.260 does that not okay why do you think that is

05:33:59.140 i don't know um could it could one of the reasons be because it sounds like

05:34:07.620 you don't want to be 50 50 in a relationship right how many women are like you

05:34:15.860 not a lot nowadays i feel more the modern woman i would say there's a lot of women

05:34:21.140 who want to be at home and don't want to do 50 50 and want a man to go 50 50. huh i've seen i've

05:34:28.500 yes there's a lot of women going trying to like wants to well here's a simpler question what maybe

05:34:34.900 some women don't want to go 50 50 but what proportion of women would prefer a guy to pay on the first date

05:34:40.740 and be a provider okay not you we know you but i don't know the statistics about it um

05:34:49.300 they have oops um why do you think it is that men do you think men are in these higher positions of

05:35:01.620 power and high earning positions because of like some system set up by other men to uphold other men

05:35:11.380 um i think men are naturally very good at being leaders and um okay in command and

05:35:19.300 you know um yeah and they're very organized i so then why would you why would you want to

05:35:24.580 dismantle the patriarchy that you believe exists if you think men are better leaders than women

05:35:29.540 but also we we cannot deny that you know years ago like in history women have been denied the same

05:35:36.820 rights that men have been enjoying since you know the beginning of humanity okay donated 200

05:35:44.740 dollars if the girl in white is too tired to contribute allow me to wake her up open your

05:35:51.060 mouth woman let me throw a ball into that catcher's mit you call a mouth it might even cure your

05:35:57.060 herpes jesus christ butler calm down brother holy i'm sorry i'm tired this guy is on fire okay um well okay so

05:36:08.820 you want a guy to be a provider correct you don't want you want to when you get married how much of

05:36:18.180 the household income do you want to be contributing zero percent like money wise yeah you want him to

05:36:25.860 be the sole breadwinner correct yes now do you and you you think you'll be able to get that correct yes

05:36:33.060 let me ask you a question how many men do you think can go out into the dating marketplace and

05:36:39.220 want to provide zero financially and expect to get a partner he might want 50 50 he might be able to

05:36:47.060 get it but he goes into it expecting to provide zero financially like a man expecting a woman to

05:36:54.660 provide zero no no how many men can go into the dating the dating marketplace with the expectation

05:37:00.980 for a long-term partner that his his future wife will provide a hundred percent of the financial

05:37:06.900 resources i don't know very very few what i can name one okay we're yes there's probably dudes that

05:37:19.940 would be fine being stay at home i would argue though that the vast majority of women as a lot of

05:37:25.620 the women here answered i want a guy who makes at least as much as me or more or it's i want a guy

05:37:32.900 to be the sole provider so could it be the case that the reason men earn more than women which is

05:37:39.940 the wage gap's already been debunked but for the sake of argument let's assume that's not the case

05:37:45.220 could it be that their reason that there's a patriarchy and that men occupy the highest positions of

05:37:51.140 power and the most desirable jobs and make the most money is because there's a mating pressure on men

05:37:57.860 that does not exist in women if it's your standard that you want you don't believe in 50 50 you want a

05:38:05.460 guy to provide for you then that is a very real and powerful mating pressure that exists on men that does not

05:38:15.460 exist in women i would argue one of our greatest motivations in life for both men and women is to

05:38:21.540 find a partner and if it's women's standard that i want a guy to make as much as me or more or more

05:38:30.420 more importantly if there's women out there a large cohort of women that want a guy to be a sole provider

05:38:37.220 sole breadwinner doesn't it stand to reason that that creates a pressure on men that does not exist in

05:38:43.060 women that men need to go out and make money and could it be the case that the more motivated you

05:38:51.140 are to do something the gr the like the more likelihood you are to achieve that yeah the better

05:38:57.940 so if there so if there is a patriarchy women created it

05:39:04.020 women really if if there if there's a patriarchy women created it because women because you just

05:39:10.740 because you just said you want a guy that pays all the bills you want a guy who does xyz that man

05:39:18.660 that's attractive to you so that man men in america are innovative they figure they figure

05:39:25.300 shit out they start businesses they get ideas they form alliances with other men who share those same

05:39:31.700 values same ideas who are also innovators entrepreneurs so they become the top they become the top and they're

05:39:37.700 what you want so if women didn't desire that they wouldn't have became that also i agree with that

05:39:43.940 men men we don't have a fallback of marrying someone richer if we're not earning enough like pursuing a

05:39:51.220 high-paying career is basic is is a basic necessity for men like we have to we can't fall back on

05:39:59.540 potentially finding a woman who's prepared to be the sole breadwinner in a relationship we don't have

05:40:04.660 that as a fallback and we do know if we want to get an attractive girl if we want to get

05:40:09.780 a 10 over here a high value woman we have to be the sole breadwinner and providing all in all these

05:40:16.580 ways so maybe there would be less of a patriarchy if women were like i'm cool with 50 50 or i'm even

05:40:23.460 cool with fully providing for a man but y'all aren't so i can't i can't even i'm not against patriarchy

05:40:31.860 i'm i'm against men yes you are using abusing you you literally said you're you're like go

05:40:37.940 women who are trying to dismantle like i live in christianity and christianity is based men being

05:40:44.340 leaders but the men is always the pastor you know like men in positions of leadership do you not want

05:40:50.100 a man to be a leader though i do like i'm comfortable with that what i'm not comfortable with is men abusing

05:40:56.020 that power and using it against men should not abuse their supposed power they do sure so do women

05:41:02.820 but why but why do you why do you think that happens though like not not from a moral perspective

05:41:08.180 but if a man is paying all the bills okay and he comes to you he dates you you date him

05:41:18.020 don't you think he wants you to do everything he wants you to do be everything he wants i understand he

05:41:23.540 will request submission from me and i'm willing to give it because i'm naturally some you know

05:41:29.460 submission um submissive to the right man to a masculine man i had just wanted to add that um

05:41:36.580 the only reason why there's not a lot of women in office and in these higher like power roles is

05:41:41.540 because a lot of the time women don't want to be in a higher like power role like they don't really

05:41:47.940 necessarily always want to be in office they want to be taken care of they want to stay home they want

05:41:52.660 to have a sole provider so by saying that there is a patriarchy it just doesn't make sense given

05:41:57.220 the fact that who's actually like raise your hand if you're like actually thinking about like going to

05:42:01.780 congress like doing something in the field of like a high power role like a judge or like deputy chief

05:42:10.740 something like that president no exactly oh another mating pressure aside from just the financial

05:42:17.220 component women are attracted to status i was just about to say that women are attracted to

05:42:21.540 status in men whereas that's not really an attraction trigger like you can take a really high status

05:42:27.860 woman but if you put like a more physically attractive girl right next to her like the

05:42:34.820 dude's probably going to want the really attractive girl but beautiful beauty a beautiful woman is a

05:42:40.340 status symbol yes no that's true that's true but we're talking i'm talking status like in your

05:42:45.220 career okay like yeah it's not on their top priorities for me like a guy can be butt ugly but if he's like

05:42:52.260 really fucking high status like i'm sure you guys can think of like rappers that probably have

05:42:57.220 like an endless supply of women they're not particularly physically attractive but they have status

05:43:03.700 and so men will pursue status and one of the ways they can do that is by having a really high

05:43:08.820 uh like a very respectable or high status career so that's another mating pressure being an expert

05:43:15.540 in something as i said expert expertise is sexy to women so i don't even have to i mean in today's

05:43:24.020 in today's age especially in the west it can be different domains of expertise that are attractive to

05:43:30.420 women who value those domains it don't necessarily have to be college or um politics but at the end of

05:43:37.140 the day women value status they value expertise they value skills oh sorry did you have more sorry

05:43:42.100 i didn't mean to cut you off now you good um nick can you pull up that same video really quick so i

05:43:46.980 just i want to get the other girls input on this yeah yeah let me just restart it i i just need the text i don't

05:43:55.780 uh if you're not getting spoiled by men in your hometown come to miami where pay your bills just

05:44:04.980 because you're pretty come on some dudes paid your bills just because you're pretty right they have

05:44:10.340 they have i'm curious like can you tell us the the deets we need the details ella we need the details

05:44:16.500 so like can you tell us walk us through you're 24 um can you list some of like maybe have you gotten

05:44:24.020 gifts vacations expensive dates oh you said your have you had your bills paid by a dude yeah like a

05:44:30.740 random dude no not a random like a guy you're mostly in relationships okay i see um what's some examples

05:44:37.060 of that um my past boyfriend uh he paid for my rent bills oh well your car i mean it's still a little

05:44:45.460 simpy but it's not simpy and you still broke up with him she

05:44:52.980 let that be a lesson fellas let that be a lesson can do all they say they say they want all

05:44:58.020 all this done i'm sure she has a reason why she broke up with him yeah of course but that doesn't

05:45:02.740 she probably broke up with him because he probably didn't meet her standards or she probably didn't

05:45:07.300 feel respected in some way maybe if you feel comfortable you could tell us why but i'm sure

05:45:12.100 she didn't do it that's fine that's fine um have you have you other girls have had that experience

05:45:18.020 where guys will just pull it up again what's it what did pay your bills rent like oh wait hold on

05:45:23.860 grid one motorsports donated two hundred dollars women abuse fear power far more often oh they divorce

05:45:31.140 when bored and use kids against loving fathers women do not have the motivation or determination to do

05:45:38.020 the jobs men do then complain about it wow well i disagree okay okay i feel for a woman okay

05:45:46.020 naturally woman prioritize what like family their babies right for a woman to break that you know

05:45:52.660 that you know marriage and you know having have you know their kids you know without a father and you

05:45:59.220 know having you know you know her own children go through that trauma it takes a lot for their

05:46:04.740 women it takes a lot for a woman to break in marriages and i hate that you guys you know

05:46:10.260 make a scene that all women are just bored and we just end up relationships so you know because of

05:46:15.940 whatever and it's not like that like for a woman to break that marriage and sacrifice the childhood of

05:46:22.980 you know her own children it takes a lot what do you think the number one cause of divorces

05:46:27.540 causes of divorces the number one what do you what do you what do you think the number one cause of

05:46:31.700 divorces i will say it's cheating no it's not it's lack of commitment lack of commitment it's lack of

05:46:36.100 commitment and when it's lack of commitment period like the lack of commitment to the relationship

05:46:42.020 meaning they don't want to do the work they don't want to put in the work that comes in the marriage

05:46:47.060 when you ask them actually break the statement down the number one statement is we've grown apart

05:46:53.220 now does that sound like that has anything to do with duty or does that sound like that's on the

05:47:02.180 basis of her emotions her expectations her perceptions of the relationship how the marriage

05:47:08.580 makes her feel and then when you break that down more what's going on in that relationship what do you

05:47:13.940 think that stems from having unrealistic expectations going into the marriage to begin with

05:47:18.900 it's emotion i don't know the real causes of like you know here well let's this but we let's just

05:47:29.940 move i do have to move on uh yeah it takes a lot from a woman like a woman will try and try and try

05:47:37.940 to repair the relationship until she is worn out and she's abused and she feels like she can take it

05:47:44.580 anymore what's here going around the table on this because what's like the most simp thing guys

05:47:49.220 done for you i don't believe in simps like that doesn't exist generous what's the most expensive

05:47:53.860 thing a guy has early on has done for you i would say a car a what a car a how wait question how early

05:48:06.020 on did the guy buy you the car no no we were like in um like in a year relationship but like he didn't

05:48:12.900 pay for the whole car like he just helped me a little bit too with this life on easy mode okay um

05:48:23.300 my boyfriend actually helped me get my car out of the impound lot okay my tattoos

05:48:33.060 i think just like diamond earrings if i can think i was have my head okay

05:48:37.220 like jewelry too and like dinners obviously and this one man asked to fly me out but i said no

05:48:46.180 because like i don't know and that's did he find you from the podcast no okay no

05:48:52.740 i don't really have any examples except for tips at work like generous tips at work anything for you

05:48:59.620 i mean on a dinner okay have any of you had a sugar daddy show of hands sugar daddy

05:49:07.700 anybody sugar daddy

05:49:11.460 have you had a sugar daddy anybody anybody here no

05:49:14.500 i'm not a sugar daddy okay i've been a sugar mama oh there you go here let's do the next video

05:49:20.340 i'm afraid by accident

05:49:29.380 if you think not caring about the man's fine

05:49:33.380 men's finances makes you more attractive sorry to tell you wait can you play it or it's just me

05:49:39.540 pose it just press oh that's fine uh if you think not caring about a man's finances makes you more

05:49:46.020 attractive sorry to tell you but men make fun of you behind your back um because you know what i

05:49:54.020 think men value women with standards men value women you know like you said you don't like women that

05:50:01.140 date multiple men and what is that an exclusive woman right a woman that keeps herself that it's you

05:50:06.580 know that it's now you know dating and having intimacy with a lot of men right so you value

05:50:12.900 exclusivity in a woman sure okay so women with standards are exclusive like we don't be just

05:50:20.340 stating whoever like we have a list of standards and boundaries and we choose you know the type of

05:50:26.820 men we want today based based on that so from the start we're cutting a lot of men right and so

05:50:35.860 actually not caring about your the men's finances is not caring about yourself it's not kidding about

05:50:40.340 your your future children we should have offered you a seat booster by the way um okay sorry sorry

05:50:45.300 sorry i'm just like what nothing nothing nothing um because ultimately um the lifestyle of the

05:50:53.540 partner that you choose is going to become your lifestyle because at some point you're going to have

05:50:57.780 to you know like not work can i have you tilt your microphone down just a teeny bit um you're

05:51:03.940 going to have to sacrifice men make so you're saying like men would make fun of a woman if she wanted

05:51:08.260 to do 50 50. i've seen men making fun of women i've seen men not respecting women not valuing women

05:51:14.260 like that i mean big mishas are you aware of the term big misha i think you guys know what i object to

05:51:22.260 this term pick me a pick me yeah oh i love that pick me yeah i'm gonna use that i don't think men make

05:51:30.020 fun of women who want to go 50 50. not necessarily make fun of them but will not value them and will not

05:51:36.260 respect them i disagree i mean it will walk all over that woman for sure because this is a it's

05:51:42.580 essentially a woman that doesn't respect herself and doesn't have his standards so a woman that

05:51:47.780 doesn't respect yourself won't pay i've never been walked over and i do pay 50 50. yeah that makes your

05:51:56.900 well i also never had experiences you guys had but what does that go to show with the men that you're

05:52:03.540 choosing then that i like to save myself and i have a rigorous list of standards that i go by

05:52:10.420 and i prioritize myself my well-being and therefore my standards protect prevent me from bad experiences

05:52:18.260 is your standards just them having money no i i think this idea though like

05:52:24.340 there could be a guy who's perfectly willing to be the sole breadwinner i don't think he that same

05:52:29.860 guy though would necessarily object to a woman also having a job that brings in income to the household

05:52:37.780 so i don't think that they would even if a guy is inclined to be the sole breadwinner i don't think

05:52:43.460 he would necessarily like turn down a girl who is open to 50 50. now obviously if he like really wants

05:52:53.380 a stay-at-home wife that's going to really take care of the children that could perhaps be a

05:52:58.260 component there but i mean i don't think men make fun of these women but we're not we can't linger too

05:53:04.020 long on that next video

05:53:08.980 it doesn't need to play um when he believes in two income household but i believe in multiple

05:53:13.460 vacations a year van cleef bracelets and all of my bills paid okay okay just being silly of course but

05:53:21.460 it um wait have you gotten that treatment by the way bank leaves yeah multiple vacations a year

05:53:28.980 yeah all of your bills paid yeah okay um

05:53:35.300 still so that sounds like life on easy mode a little bit i think that's like oppression

05:53:39.940 sounds like pretty privileged to me oh it's not the the patriarchy i've seen women far

05:53:46.820 attractive like non-conventionally attractive and get pretty like like oh

05:53:51.220 i have a question for you on this how early into a relationship do you think a man should start

05:53:57.380 doing that stuff like because you say pay all of the bills multiple like vacations gifts you know

05:54:03.380 this van cleef bracelet i'm not familiar with the brand um how early do you think a guy should start

05:54:08.580 doing that um whenever he chooses whenever he wants to get serious with a girl well when would you expect it

05:54:17.380 like do you expect it like okay you should start paying all my bills like second date third date well

05:54:24.420 you know what i kind of understand that i have like crazy expectations but it's because i have

05:54:30.820 experienced them in the first place and i don't think you will have to blame me you will have to blame

05:54:37.220 the men that are giving me that type of treatment um but it's just it's based on the person it's you know

05:54:44.260 like it's based based on the person oh i i mean i don't doubt that i'm not expecting anything

05:54:49.300 actually like they're just giving you're they're just giving i'll take it

05:54:54.900 well hold on let's see the next remember ladies you're put on this earth to live in comfort and luxury

05:55:01.780 don't let a broke man convince you otherwise well hold on i thought you don't have any expectations but uh

05:55:08.260 if nick pull it back up really quick you're put on this earth to live in comfort and luxury ladies

05:55:16.180 and you expect them to pay for everything that's literally an expectation

05:55:21.540 wait i have a question for you are all ladies put on this earth to live in comfort and luxury

05:55:26.340 if they choose to yes what do you mean if they choose to if they choose to be you know a kept

05:55:31.220 woman and they want to live a soft life um they can go ahead and find a partner uh not a woman want

05:55:37.140 that and i'm no but you said all ladies you're you're remember ladies you're put on this earth

05:55:43.060 to live in comfort and luxury yeah um well she's speaking to her audience you know you don't have

05:55:52.020 to take it so literally well i mean i'm a man and i tend to take things at face value when people use

05:55:57.700 words i tend to take their word for it but um do you think all and also remember that men out there

05:56:04.420 some men out there are willing to give that to a woman and work and pursue careers so they can

05:56:12.180 attract a woman you know a more traditional woman like you said and they want to give that lifestyle

05:56:17.460 to that woman so if a woman it's you know but she wants that for her life she wants that to be her

05:56:22.900 lifestyle then why is her what is it wrong for her to want that and to attract that and actually

05:56:29.380 succeeding in achieving that but you said luxury so when i think of luxury i think of like luxury

05:56:35.220 comes in many forms like it doesn't have to be expensive you know luxury can be literally hold

05:56:40.580 on let me just google the definition of luxury here um the state of great comfort and extravagant uh living

05:56:51.060 and and and in this luxuries or luxury an inessential desirable item which is expensive or difficult to

05:56:57.780 obtain um so okay so my question is but do all women deserve luxury

05:57:09.220 deserve probably not but pull up the thing again pull it up

05:57:16.740 yeah don't don't switch until i tell you switch

05:57:18.420 you're put on this earth to live in comfort and luxury remember ladies i assume you're talking

05:57:29.060 myself ladies for my the woman that want that okay it's a message to them doesn't everybody want

05:57:36.820 luxury like i feel like so many women have been brainwashed by men to what

05:57:42.900 too long like not having high expectations like and i think i think to a certain extent i think

05:57:50.740 having high standards and high expectations are healthy to some extent why because those create

05:57:57.700 powerful leader men okay like you said before if women didn't have such high expectations you would

05:58:06.180 be lazy and do nothing all day every day no since we have this extender extenders we're like okay i have

05:58:14.180 to meet those and i have to work hard and i have to you know achieve things for you know to you know

05:58:20.340 attract that kind of woman so to some extent i think it's healthy you said you said luxury and comfort

05:58:28.500 i wouldn't say those are high expectations i would say definitely i would say it's unreasonable and

05:58:35.860 unrealistic and the reason i would say that is because a man has to attain a certain level of

05:58:42.180 status and income to provide that for a woman and the economy is competition so every man can't do

05:58:49.860 that there's only going to be a small percentage of men who can who can attain that level of

05:58:54.420 of provision for a woman and the fact that there can only be a certain level of men who pretend

05:58:59.300 attain that level of provision means they can only be a certain amount of women but i feel every man

05:59:03.780 should strive to to achieve that to be a competitor like um you know in the dating market because

05:59:11.860 if y'all are just making excuses and you know like pretending that all women should settle down

05:59:18.900 to mediocre standards i don't think that's but even if we do solving anything even if we do

05:59:23.940 strive to be that most men aren't going to become that which means most women aren't going to get

05:59:30.580 that comfort and luxury i don't know what to tell you well she's she desires comfort and luxury and it

05:59:37.220 seems like she's gotten that and i'm sure she has her valid reasons for leaving but it seems i'm not

05:59:42.420 talking about her specifically i'm talking about her saying remember ladies telling other women yeah

05:59:47.860 telling other women i'm saying that creates unrealistic expectations and that creates entitlement

05:59:54.500 no no no no no because i also teach women hey if you want to attract this kind of person you have to

06:00:01.220 you know appeal to them grid one motorsports donated two hundred dollars if toxic daddy issues had a face

06:00:08.500 this girls would be it you deserve nothing you earn everything and it sounds like you intend to earn it on

06:00:15.220 your back bro well blame my dad then it just really seems like you don't have standards and you just

06:00:21.060 more so expect to be pampered and then if you aren't pampered you're just kind of like screw you i'm

06:00:27.140 gonna leave so you're literally given everything your entire life and you're saying that i don't have

06:00:31.540 standards yeah because you just you're going for the one who has the most money i don't know not necessarily

06:00:38.420 i don't know what the context of your relationship was but i feel like if you had standards like her i feel

06:00:44.180 like what happened to you wouldn't have happened like respectfully and i think that you guys don't

06:00:49.060 seem like you have your standards and that's why your old man stole your money in her case

06:00:54.260 her man wouldn't have stolen her money that she worked for you stole my money because i was disabled

06:00:59.220 and in a wheelchair when we were married for drugs too what does that have to do with that we're talking

06:01:06.260 about standards because i wasn't able to like talking about how you okay but so real quick

06:01:10.340 you're saying so if i had standards that it wouldn't have happened maybe you would have seen some red

06:01:15.620 flags and maybe you would have analyzed why he left you without saying anything and you wouldn't have

06:01:22.420 ever been with a man that would disrespect you like that because you would respect yourself and have

06:01:26.660 standards and honestly i feel like women's status is actually measured by being able to say no and hold

06:01:32.180 those standards yes and i think that actually men find that very attractive a woman's ability to say

06:01:38.260 no i think you're making yourself look like a joke okay you want to explain why because you're just

06:01:44.580 sounding fucking stupid you're talking about okay stop calling me stupid and stop saying i'm making

06:01:49.700 myself look like a joke and back it up with facts right now well okay you're just mad i actually do

06:01:55.540 have some facts about her so you don't even know how the relationship was in the first place and

06:02:00.340 honestly in my opinion i thought her fiance was better than a lot of other men that i've met in

06:02:06.740 this day and age he was always very good at communicating he actually genuinely showed no

06:02:11.540 red flags nothing at all he was very honest he would help all the time like you he was basically

06:02:18.980 everything that you guys are explaining that you want in a man and you're bashing on something when

06:02:22.900 in all reality what you guys just said that you would expect in a man is the one who actually just

06:02:28.260 up and dipped and then real quick didn't you say you respected yourself but then had one night

06:02:32.660 stance yeah that was me when i was an 18 year old girl that was me when i was an 18 year old girl

06:02:39.780 and people being a garden tool girl yeah sweetheart when i was a freshman in college that's even worse

06:02:48.820 yeah you don't have to be so negative i'm just saying you can learn from this and we're on here kind

06:02:53.860 of to learn from each other and i've learned so much so why don't you learn from her i'm saying

06:02:58.260 maybe if you actually listen to her and how she holds standards your ex-boyfriend or husband whatever

06:03:02.980 the fuck he was wouldn't have stolen your money and you wouldn't have been left with no explanation so

06:03:07.540 his drug addiction was like like a deter like a determined okay sorry so you're telling me so if you

06:03:14.820 start off a relationship with someone where they're completely normal right and then they flip a switch

06:03:20.820 switch that's my fault because they decided to dabble in drugs and they decided to steal my money so

06:03:26.420 that's my fault i'm really doubting you're saying like what if i stayed that would have been my fault

06:03:31.300 i left respectfully i really doubt that they were normal i think that red flags were probably missed

06:03:38.100 and that you were probably blinded by love like both of you but like i could be wrong sometimes people

06:03:43.460 can flip a switch but at least i was able to commit so you think if i had her standards of like having

06:03:49.780 men pay everything for me well that's just a little portion of it she also wants them to have like a

06:03:55.860 great personality and like nurture her and bring out her submissive great father oh but if but if i

06:04:01.140 pay for something then i have low standards okay but what is she offering the man why is the man going

06:04:06.100 to want people have their own preferences to pay why is the man going to want to do all this for her

06:04:11.540 what is bring brought to a table that is going to basically like you know make this man want to

06:04:17.700 support you want you to be the mother of your children like so what what's your guys envision then

06:04:22.180 of standards i think we've been talking about it all along do you want to address her what did you call

06:04:28.580 her i think you called her did you say call her stupid yeah i called her a joke oh you sorry that's

06:04:33.780 kind of rude don't you think i mean do you have a response to that yeah i do respectfully do you

06:04:39.700 look at yourself in the mirror every day and think respectfully do you do you look at yourself

06:04:44.340 in the mirror every day and listen to what you fucking say yeah like literally dude this entire

06:04:50.020 podcast you've been sounding like a joke oh no that's so cute thank you anyways do you want to

06:04:55.140 explain like why i was stupid wait we forgot she called herself a 10 earlier on oh yeah

06:05:01.060 okay we already addressed that thank you maybe i'm like a different number like i learned from

06:05:07.460 that and i don't know why thank you but okay anyways why can't you take the constructive criticism

06:05:15.860 because you're speaking about things you have no idea about you you i think i have a great idea

06:05:22.020 honestly do you yeah okay miss garden tool yeah keep calling me that okay yeah it won't get to me

06:05:32.980 but i'm glad it gives you a little thrill and adrenaline and dopamine or whatever

06:05:40.260 it's okay i'm sorry if that hurt you i just think that if you had why do you keep talking if you had

06:05:46.900 standards because we're on a podcast what are we here for to sit and be silent i don't wait for

06:05:52.100 brian to talk and ask questions it's it's a i think brian the whatever show it's not enjoying this and

06:05:57.300 he actually likes it when people go on tangents and i think he actually appreciates this right now he's

06:06:02.260 getting good content but to be honest what i'm trying to say more people join if you held greater

06:06:09.300 standards for yourself you probably wouldn't have been disrespected the way you were and sometimes

06:06:13.700 women who have high standards are indeed the ones who are able to leave their connections because

06:06:18.820 they hold those high standards and yeah i don't know thank you do you have a response it just sounds

06:06:26.820 like a joke to me that's a great response so having high standards is a joke having your standards is a

06:06:34.580 joke but what if well you want to smoke from everybody tonight

06:06:47.940 okay let's do another video um or wait no sorry i have more questions i have more questions let me

06:06:53.860 ask what percent of men do you think can provide women with comfort and luxury not a lot i'm aware of that

06:06:59.460 yeah but i'm also not gonna settle down for mediocrity um word so like what do you practically propose

06:07:08.660 though because like do swaths of women ignore the majority of men and pursue a small percent

06:07:13.860 of rich men who can provide comfort and luxury so like should rich men just have like 50 wives can

06:07:20.420 provide that like if he has a good job yes average men can't provide luxury well not luxury but

06:07:27.620 it wouldn't be considered luxury okay but leave the luxury here here's the economic reality here's the

06:07:33.460 economic reality the majority of people are going to have to have a household where both uh both men

06:07:42.500 and women are providing that's just you're gonna need two incomes really well he needs to get to have

06:07:49.300 a family he's got what he needs to get two jobs because i'm not bringing in an income no look if you can

06:07:55.860 find a guy that's willing to provide that's fine but just the sheer economic a second job but the

06:08:01.620 sheer economic reality is that for most people most households in order if you want to have kids and

06:08:07.620 have a family you're gonna need two incomes and you know why i say that so confidently and because my

06:08:13.540 father okay he migrated three different countries like he was you know like he came from a poor background

06:08:21.540 right and he made it and i've never seen my mom having to pick up a job like he always you know

06:08:29.940 sacrifice and you know pick up on jobs and stuff you know to make ends meet and it worked out and he likes

06:08:37.060 it like that my mom is comfortable and now we leave in you know well my family leaves you know in a more

06:08:44.180 in a better position right now and that's how i was brought up like i never see my mom working okay

06:08:52.260 all right we got another video here we got another video did it

06:08:58.100 if he can't provide for you is it gonna play or no is it if he can't provide for you then he's not

06:09:04.020 worthy of trust don't trust him with your heart nor your body okay um and what do you mean by trust

06:09:11.940 him with your body do you mean have sex with him with a with a man that hasn't earned those privileges

06:09:18.900 you mean but you said pull it back up nick if he can't provide for you then he's not worthy of

06:09:25.460 having sex with you no basically what you're saying yes um

06:09:32.740 so you only have sex with men who provide who are in committed relationships with me and provide for

06:09:39.300 me it sounds like

06:09:43.780 prostitution with extra steps that's i mean i don't know how is that prostitution when i'm in

06:09:48.180 a committed relationship monogamous relationship i'm joking a little bit but uh but okay next video

06:09:55.780 next next video

06:09:56.980 i don't care what a dusty has to say at the end of the day they will never know what it's like

06:10:07.220 wake up to what so play it again play just i do what is like to wake up to a 500 deposit from a man

06:10:16.820 just because because have you had that yeah a guy just it's new york like they just but is this a man

06:10:24.180 you're dating or just like a dude i was talking to him and you know we went on a date and yeah i

06:10:32.340 mean he's he's just i woke up and he was like hey a little something for you i've been thinking about

06:10:38.740 you little something so where do you meet these guys um i i'm not on dating apps i used to be on

06:10:46.740 dating apps so you find you know some of them there but i don't like dating ads at all so i just go out

06:10:52.900 two bars wait question so you went on one date with this guy yeah and he but we've been talking

06:10:58.100 like i've known him for a while like actually i met him in college and then we stopped talking and

06:11:04.820 then we started talking again so so for like he just sent you 500 because yeah sounds like life on

06:11:15.460 easy mode like literally life on easy mode but it doesn't happen all the time so how often it's not

06:11:21.540 easy like how often does that happen if it was monthly but it's not how often has it happened

06:11:28.580 not not a lot of times just maybe two three times okay and new york is expensive let me tell you so like

06:11:36.660 five hundred dollars yes it it's substantial amount i'm aware but it's it doesn't cover a lot

06:11:42.740 in new york these simps are ruining dating ruining dating holy fuck bruv just sending a chick 500 just

06:11:56.100 because here you go here's five you have never seen miami man oh yeah i know they're tricking um

06:12:03.460 is that the term to trick i thought it was it ain't tricking if you got it i don't get it

06:12:10.180 oh you never heard that i've heard that term but i'm not sure what that means okay next video

06:12:18.500 that's it that's all of them i have better ones wait really is that all of them the dusty one

06:12:25.540 you can't provide put on this earth to live in luxury all of your bills paid if you think that can't

06:12:31.940 make fun oh yeah okay um wait so i have a question right so um do you question for the table i guess

06:12:40.900 um do you think broke men should not date they can date oh okay they can of course but

06:12:49.300 you're gonna get your feelings hurt why because you don't have

06:12:58.100 what it what it takes to compete with other men and then you're gonna grow resentful woman which i've

06:13:04.340 seen it before you know and men hitting a woman and being really disrespectful and rude when we have

06:13:11.380 standards even like medium to high standards like reasonable standards men will go crazy and say that

06:13:18.980 all women are gold diggers and we have like incredible like expectations of in dating and i think a man

06:13:28.820 should have his financial you know status right before entering the dating market because a broke man

06:13:38.740 unfortunately it's not desirable in a in the free dating market okay um the same way in an

06:13:48.580 unattractive woman it's not as desirable in the dating market yeah that's fair that is fair um

06:13:56.740 so you're okay with poor people or broke people dating just not you you don't want them to date you is

06:14:02.980 what you're saying kind of yeah and that's but that's what the thing is though is that you're like

06:14:07.860 it sounds like you're advising or suggesting women not date and i also want to clarify like i'm not lazy

06:14:14.260 i'm running a hair business i'm doing tiktok like i'm moving i'm doing you're hustling i'm hustling i came

06:14:22.180 here that's right shout out to ella i made it happen she made it happen i made it happen she made it so

06:14:32.340 you know like as a woman that is you know trying to level up in in all areas of my life like i'm

06:14:38.580 expecting the same in my partner okay all right well i think those are it for my notes on that um

06:14:46.660 i think uh trying to think hold on let me just double check here oh wait what question for you

06:14:53.700 well you said it's fine for broke men to date so yeah okay i was gonna ask if it's should overweight

06:14:59.940 women not date but but that's not your position you think it's fine i i think it's fine if over

06:15:07.860 women want to date that's totally fine just not me okay no because i'll date a chubby asian chick

06:15:15.460 i'll date a chubby asian chick let me put it like this because it also goes for women obviously like

06:15:20.420 if you want to have a good outcome when like asian women when in dating no i'm not talking about asian

06:15:26.420 oh so sorry i'm talking about like maybe women aren't who are not fit or who are you know let

06:15:32.180 themselves go or something like that you know make sure you you correct those things make sure you work

06:15:37.300 on yourself you hit the gym you know like you want to present the best version of yourself so you can

06:15:42.580 get the best men so that's that's my take yeah uh yeah guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever drop us a

06:15:53.380 follow drop us a prime sub if you have one if you have amazon prime you link it to your twitch

06:15:57.700 quick free easy way to support the show every single month guys twitch.tv slash whatever thank you

06:16:02.420 guys not it's okay um shoot sorry one of your guys's chats fell off i'm going to read some of the

06:16:08.100 chats there sorry that we're getting to these a bit late but yo way off base hey thank you man

06:16:13.140 appreciate it sorry that it took us a while to get to your chat it is social issue both feminism

06:16:17.140 and red pills war on the opposite sex is stupid driving people apart these topics are talked about

06:16:21.700 ad nauseum what do you think would be a viable would be a viable solution well first off if men and

06:16:29.620 women agree that hookup culture is bad we obviously have to stigmatize said hookup culture we have to

06:16:34.980 shame like like she said like jordan said bring shame back um we need to reprioritize a better social order

06:16:46.820 you know okay thank you man i appreciate it um did anybody want to answer this like quick answer

06:16:55.460 oh you guys can't see it um what's a viable solutions

06:17:03.060 openly communicating like we are right now that's touching some people might take it too much to

06:17:10.100 heart but i'm sure like your main goal behind this whole thing and why you started it clearly was

06:17:14.020 because of your past like experiences and i feel like you want to share the wisdom like okay sorry

06:17:20.660 you know what i mean like we're here to share wisdom you know what i mean and just have open

06:17:26.740 conversations and it's like you know just hear sides of the opposite sex and i think even just having

06:17:32.260 conversation with like your opposite sex friends about this stuff and realizing that men and women both

06:17:38.580 have grievances just i think communication is a good solution within a relationship or in general

06:17:48.660 that was beautiful thank you wait sorry so hold on i just want to okay way off base i'm very sorry

06:17:56.340 i'm not it's not coming up so i'm not able to trigger it but he wrote he loves you he will forgive

06:18:01.700 you causing others to sin is wrong by creating just that is what you are doing yes everyone sins

06:18:08.260 but admonishing each other for wrongdoing isn't wrong

06:18:14.340 that's directed at you oh me sorry way off base it will stream labs will not let me re-trigger it so

06:18:19.940 i just i know it won't display on stream but i am able to read it like my exes or something i think

06:18:27.780 they meant like with you doing porn the whole porn and god first and wearing a cross and a cross tattoo

06:18:35.540 oh yeah he loves me

06:18:39.220 all right i don't know i'm not gonna make any progress there um and then i hold on one sec let

06:18:44.580 me get through these chats uh and then what do you guys think is a viable solution to everyone's

06:18:50.660 dating woes from way off base here is there a solution

06:18:57.780 honestly in today's society in today's society everyone's just gonna do what they want so

06:19:08.660 like we can honestly say a million solutions but in all reality the world's gonna keep turning and

06:19:14.580 things are just gonna keep progressing yeah and i think it's like you shouldn't be scared to date

06:19:20.820 either like you not dating for five years i think you should like give it one more try i don't know

06:19:28.740 i'm not actively seeking that so it's just not a priority right now

06:19:33.460 yeah i respect that but i don't think being like not wanting to date or being scared to date

06:19:40.420 you should like be like that i think you should want to just i don't know interact with humans i

06:19:46.500 think that's kind of club and have a foursome accidentally i don't think we were not put on

06:19:52.660 this earth to interact with other human beings

06:20:03.380 are you talking about foursomes or what are we talking about here i'm talking about like i don't

06:20:07.060 think that i was put on this earth to not do procreate and like oh sorry sorry

06:20:13.460 wait is that what hold on is that what you were put on earth to do is to make only fans content

06:20:23.140 i don't think that was like my mission but that's just what i'm doing so that is your mission oh my

06:20:29.540 god this girl okay all right we got jrod here 70 divorce is initiated by why 50 of divorced wives

06:20:36.900 never want to remarry only 30 of men have same sentiment yes most divorces are initiated by women

06:20:43.380 why men effed up they go back to buffet um men effed up they go back to the buffet

06:20:54.260 like the pool a dating pool yeah is that what they go back to the buffet interesting

06:21:01.380 okay all right there you have it um let me just double check here go ahead so there was one comment

06:21:07.620 um like those things that pop up that said that um a lot of women which is true a lot of women don't

06:21:14.900 want to do a lot of the same hard labor work as jobs but you shouldn't say all women because i know

06:21:20.420 that i myself i've worked in construction i've worked in the fields and i've done exterior home renovations

06:21:26.420 so you can't really stigmatize it to all women you said he said a lot true most women yeah so he didn't

06:21:35.140 say all did he not say all wait let me ask you a question so you say you do construction you're on the

06:21:40.500 fields right when you're on a construction site or doing a construction gig what percentage are men

06:21:48.180 majority okay so most would you say most then yeah okay well i mean a lot of the women work behind

06:21:58.580 the scenes more of like in the office and stuff like in the company itself there is still a lot

06:22:03.300 of women that do work in the construction company just not actively out like laying down the concrete

06:22:08.100 that's not you're not like actually doing the construction if you i mean like the accountant but

06:22:17.620 no i'm sure you were but most women don't want those jobs that's that's the that's because they're

06:22:22.900 enough for women that is the the joke of feminism you can only have feminism when there's comfortable

06:22:28.020 air-conditioned office jobs you can't have feminism when it's like brutal physical labor

06:22:33.540 so this whole idea women weren't allowed to work 200 years ago uh bruv you wouldn't have wanted to

06:22:41.860 work 200 fucking years ago work was like back but why denied the act like why deny women from you know

06:22:52.020 working i don't know why even i women really weren't even you if you wanted to i suppose you could have

06:22:57.060 worked but why the laws were made so there weren't laws could not there weren't laws there were there

06:23:02.100 weren't laws there were like women slaves building the pyramids and stuff too who's well who's physically

06:23:09.700 stronger men or women technically men what do you mean technically men men because over okay so there

06:23:16.180 are certain instances where let's say you have a male males are born on average 35 percent more muscle

06:23:22.340 mass than females straight out of the womb that's just science that's a fact right but actually hold on

06:23:28.980 before puberty i think there's actually and i actually might be wrong on this but my understanding

06:23:34.740 is actually before puberty like it's i think it's pretty equal between boys and girls before puberty

06:23:42.180 i could be wrong i i'm not an expert there's still a muscle mass percentage difference am i wrong chat i

06:23:48.420 could be wrong i'm let's look it up i think i thought there wasn't a huge difference it's not it's not

06:23:53.860 until puberty because that's when puberty starts that's when uh testosterone starts to heighten and

06:23:59.060 there's still a difference straight out of the womb though i'm sure i'm sure but like genetically it

06:24:06.420 is muscle it's muscle it's i'm pretty sure it's muscle mass or muscle capacity but i do know that

06:24:13.380 male babies are born straight out of the womb with more muscle mass than a female but let's say that man

06:24:19.380 specifically let's say he doesn't work out all the time or maybe he does moderately right if you have

06:24:24.980 a woman right that's eating the correct diet going to the gym every day she's benching like 250 she's

06:24:31.460 gonna be stronger than that guy that's just wearing bench 250 i used to when i played football in high

06:24:36.420 school you benched 250 i did look at her muscles i played d tackle in boys football it's a baby now i

06:24:41.780 haven't worked out in years okay i have not worked out hey well first off impressive good for you

06:24:46.500 you got you got guns but um no but but okay you're like an outlier in that case if you can

06:24:54.260 out bench some guy who well it came from years of working out is what i'm saying anyone can do it

06:25:01.460 it just takes dedication wait how did you play football did you go to like a school yeah did i go

06:25:07.380 to a school where like women could play football can you oh yeah in southern california is a different

06:25:12.820 year i was just wondering no any female can apply like can try out football sorry no pull your mic

06:25:19.620 close to the edge um i think women are not barred from playing football but the reality is it's such a

06:25:26.660 physically like intense sport that they're just not temperamentally drawn to it and there's a certain

06:25:34.980 like they're gonna get they're gonna get hurt what position did you play i played d tackle and i was a

06:25:41.460 starter nice you were you paid d tackle and i was a starter is that the defensive is wait are you on

06:25:52.580 the defensive end yes i was on the defensive line okay i'm right next to the center cool on defense

06:26:00.260 yeah i played d tackle did your team lose no actually i was i transferred from tesoro high

06:26:08.020 school which was a d1 school to rancho buena vista which was a d3 school so i actually helped them

06:26:13.460 bring up their standing jv or varsity um it was jv but i was a freshman okay so sounds like affirmative

06:26:23.460 action or some i don't know i just i get really involved in stuff and i like what i do i like physical

06:26:29.460 things i like working out i like being outdoors i like doing construction i like doing hard physical

06:26:34.900 labor because it makes me feel good that's cool wait but generally speaking men are physically

06:26:42.580 stronger than women they can be what do you mean they can be they are i'm not saying that there's

06:26:48.500 like they have more testosterone in their muscles which allows them to become stronger and develop

06:26:53.940 muscle mass easier it also depends on a lot of things because women can still be as strong as men

06:27:02.660 it just takes work let me ask you let me ask you a question no no let me ask you a question

06:27:09.140 using what you just said there is the strongest woman does she have does any woman any woman in

06:27:15.300 the world have the capacity to be as strong as the strongest man in the world

06:27:22.260 it depends on what on a lot of factors well okay wait are we talking about like actually or are we

06:27:30.500 talking about just like hypothetically because like actually actually yeah with steroids no and

06:27:37.860 with intensive training no and work naturally naturally probably not if they were both the

06:27:45.300 strongest but i do believe that i do believe that there is a way to become stronger have we actually

06:27:54.260 like even tested this is there actually like knowledge based on two weeks on this thesis yeah two

06:28:00.820 weeks wait so you think okay let me just ask the question one more time do you think that any woman

06:28:06.980 in the world could be as strong as the strongest man in the world i guess technically no don't walk it back

06:28:18.740 i mean well okay with steroids and a bunch of other stuff okay let's say there's a man on steroids and

06:28:26.980 there's a woman on steroids who's going to be stronger okay then technically the man actually i would

06:28:32.420 be prepared to argue that the strongest natural guy who's never taken steroids he's going to be stronger

06:28:39.460 than the woman who's pumped full of steroids even with that uh shit what's the term even with that

06:28:46.980 advantage a woman on steroids she's not even gonna even then isn't going to be as strong as the

06:28:52.820 strongest natural guy so even if i concede to you that yes we can we'll come we'll have a woman who's

06:29:01.540 on steroids and have her compete against a guy who's just natural strength no steroids he's still

06:29:06.980 gonna fucking scorch her in like various lifts certainly in a fight he'll fuck her up i don't think

06:29:12.260 what the will while she's on like if he's not on steroids and she is that might be a little

06:29:16.820 different but like if they're both like on equal playing ground then yeah he would beat her even if

06:29:21.540 she has this handicap of taking steroids she's still not going to be stronger than him where's your

06:29:28.900 evidence where's my what do you mean my evidence it hasn't been tested so you know for a fact look at

06:29:35.060 natural bodybuilding if you compare a male natural bodybuilder to a female steroid bodybuilder

06:29:44.580 just his physical size is going to be larger anyways in addition like if you probably look at their lifts

06:29:52.260 he probably lifts heavier

06:29:55.780 why don't you look up the world records for lifting

06:29:57.860 with women versus men and look at the disparity right now yes if brian oh but if brian allow you

06:30:06.180 but why don't you do that why don't you look at the disparity look at the female bench press

06:30:10.020 well that's what i was planning on doing after look at the male bench press record and look at how much

06:30:15.140 more the male's bench press record is world record than the woman's this is the plan wait so do you okay

06:30:20.180 you think that a woman on steroids but that's actually like not just steroids but has actually like

06:30:26.580 actively been training been lifting for a majority of time actively pushing herself to be stronger

06:30:34.980 oh she has the ability to she has the ability to be stronger than a portion of men yeah absolutely

06:30:42.260 but if you were to compare her to a guy who's not on steroids who's been i'm not even going to say

06:30:48.500 training the same amount of time but that would be the fair comparison uh just a guy who's been

06:30:53.220 lifting for fuck i don't know i i can't put i i mean this is very speculative let's just compare

06:31:02.660 a guy who's been training for 10 years not on steroids versus a woman who's been training for 10

06:31:07.060 years on steroids that guy's gonna be able to lift more than she is

06:31:12.020 that's how great the disparity is between our strengths yeah but it also depends on like that

06:31:23.220 female's testosterone levels too because it doesn't matter you can still have x y chromosomes and have

06:31:28.100 a higher testosterone spike and do you know how much more testosterone men have than women

06:31:32.500 a bit but there's also a bit a bit it's exponentially at this point it's exponentially more wait am i

06:31:42.980 chat am i am i wrong like don't just side with me because i'm you like my podcast or whatever um a

06:31:49.620 guy let's say a guy who they're both like very serious about the gym is a guy who's never taken

06:31:56.420 steroids going to be stronger than a woman who takes steroids they're training the same amount of time

06:32:05.700 oh we got courtesy sundas corley on donated 200 when women in combat roles was tested in the usmc

06:32:13.460 they did an experiment eyewitnessed a wm who lifted weights tried to lift to artillery round

06:32:20.020 couldn't do it a 170 pounds male private could do it okay but was she like trained to do that like i mean

06:32:28.820 was there like anything specific about that

06:32:36.180 anyways what we're getting at good point curtis is that men tend to be stronger than women

06:32:42.980 majority cases and it's not even close

06:32:45.060 it's not even close this is ridiculous

06:32:52.180 should we do the

06:32:55.060 okay we'll do the boys versus women thing

06:33:02.260 if you can yeah so this is male high school athletes versus female olympians if boys went

06:33:10.580 against the fastest women is it fair for males okay whatever um so the overall medal count so

06:33:18.260 this is if high school boys were allowed to compete high school boys not male olympians high school boys

06:33:26.500 were allowed to compete in the olympics hold on well that's related to certain things but

06:33:32.740 that's all the medals that they would steal from women if high school boys can compete against women

06:33:42.020 the top athlete the top female athletes scroll down a little bit we're just going to react to a few

06:33:46.260 that's for speed though i mean but sprint sprinting is related to your

06:33:52.420 force yes fast twitch muscle fibers

06:33:55.060 that you generate yes like have you seen sprinters slow twitch or did i say fast twitch

06:33:59.940 fast twitch is i might have well you'll you'll have to excuse me i might have mixed the two up

06:34:05.540 slow twitch is when you have lifting typically big muscles right so

06:34:09.940 slow twitch fibers are the muscles that you use when you're doing

06:34:12.340 wait chat chat can you show us the chat

06:34:16.740 wait fast twitch is that what sprinters have or is it slow twitch i thought it was fast

06:34:21.540 sprinters have fast i thought sprinters have fast twitch sprinters have fast twitch i think i was

06:34:25.540 right

06:34:27.860 in any case i have lifting records yeah no i was right fast twitch have you seen like if you

06:34:33.860 compare all the women in the hospital and most of them went in that's true damn they're professional

06:34:39.460 fighter so if you look at sprinters they're super ripped despite it being a race right speed race

06:34:49.460 they're like super muscular even their upper bodies you're right but if you look at like

06:34:54.580 distance runners they're typically like very thin and don't have a lot of uh muscle buildup muscle

06:35:01.300 hypertrophy hi hypertrophy yeah

06:35:07.060 so i think it's actually pull it up nick the boy it's actually very fair to compare like a sprint

06:35:13.620 for example as evidence of like fast twitch muscle fiber

06:35:18.900 bear in mind these are high school boys 400 meters 800 meters anyways there's this this goes on and on

06:35:24.660 all the boys steal all the gold medals from women the top female athletes in the entire world just the us

06:35:30.980 high school boys alone the 5000 meters actually women edge out a little bit because there's some weird

06:35:36.340 differential for long distance running but yoho bone man dude thank you you're fucking

06:35:45.300 that's what i'm talking about that's why he's leaving me that's why he's the goat thank you about

06:35:51.220 you're a fucking legend thank you dude um word do you how oh my god hello huh

06:36:01.140 so women are stronger than men is what you're saying well apparently not but i thought with

06:36:11.060 hormones and everything that you could potentially be stronger than men i don't know i've met a lot of

06:36:16.100 men that i was stronger than so no but yes like of course a woman can be stronger than a man but if we're

06:36:22.580 like comparing averages like averages like that average the average woman to the average woman or

06:36:30.900 like a really physically fit women woman if you compare her to a really physically fit man

06:36:37.380 like say the top bodybuilders or the top power lifters the men are still gonna like natural bodybuilders

06:36:45.140 or natural power lifters would probably probably still lift more and i think do lift more than even

06:36:53.220 women are juiced up i mean probably now that i just saw the actual statistic i mean i had already said

06:37:00.740 that initially out of the womb that genetically men were stronger than women the question was if a woman

06:37:06.500 could become stronger than a man so i am now conceding because i was wrong because we just saw the

06:37:11.940 statistics that that is not possible but i thought the question was if not are they

06:37:19.220 if i don't even know how we got there to be honest but um of course there are women that can be

06:37:25.140 there's there's women that are strong stronger than me but am i pro am i stronger than probably

06:37:32.980 the vast majority of women yes

06:37:34.420 how much can you press brian well here's the like here's the reality i have i have chronic pain

06:37:43.780 issues i've got um i've got neck pain i've got back pain i have i've had major injuries um i'm pretty

06:37:52.980 i live a pretty lethargic life i um let's see i don't really exercise much i eat like shit i could

06:38:01.620 probably beat up like 95 percent of women like not that i would want to not that i would want to

06:38:10.100 but like granted i wrestled for two years in high school that uh already puts me yeah that helps but

06:38:16.980 that muscle memory maybe 99 of women i don't know it's probably 99 yeah it's probably 99 i've got a

06:38:23.620 fucking dad bod and i haven't lifted in a long ass time and i'm old and i've got knee pain and neck

06:38:28.740 pain and back pain i'd probably like still score not that i'm like trying to fight chicks and

06:38:33.860 shit i'd probably scorch them up in a fight because i'm physically stronger than them and i weigh more

06:38:39.940 and i'm physically larger i'm six foot one so what percentage of women are six foot one is probably

06:38:48.900 like less than one percent so i mean shoot technically your height's got a little bit of a disadvantage in

06:38:54.100 fighting just a tiny bit like a like fighting a woman because she's a lot shorter than six feet

06:39:00.420 are you saying she can like hit me in the goods or some shit yeah like the kneecaps they're right

06:39:05.380 there they're right there and then you you have to like bend down the ground i mean i have longer i

06:39:10.020 have more reach she could go under you you know in a fight like if you have further reach that that's a

06:39:16.340 benefit i was joking okay whatever i was joking okay okay um good times good times um

06:39:28.100 i thought i have the uh what's it called fuck i have the high ground it's always good to have

06:39:34.820 the high ground like in a fight you know like you're playing like fortnite and shit like you want to have

06:39:40.180 the high ground man you want you want love that's never mind okay um i'm trying to think oh i had a

06:39:47.940 question um who here wants the guy to pay for the first date you you you you you jordan no no you oh

06:39:58.900 you want to go 50 50 okay it kind of depends so i think i think in this day and age it should be 50 50

06:40:05.300 oh okay oh but if it was way back when i would say the man back in the day back in the day question

06:40:11.620 for all the all those of you who said what did you raise your hand on this one yes i did just wasn't

06:40:16.500 you and jordan um will you take your husband's last name if you guys get married yes hyphenating

06:40:26.020 hyphenating you're gonna hyphenate but you want the guy to pay for the first date

06:40:28.660 as long as it's less than 50 okay yes yes yes okay all right that's fair that's fair i did not

06:40:46.020 cool okay what's my last sorry guys i need to find my last note here we have jrod construction

06:40:51.700 wouldn't happen without female administration bts even though they don't do heavy lifting

06:40:57.780 comparable to trad dads a gentleman would respect the women in front of him especially if they pay

06:41:03.620 your bills repeat man word okay cool um good times yeah i think i mean i was just saying like the women

06:41:12.980 who are doing like the administrative work they're not actually doing the construction they're doing

06:41:17.940 administrative work in the construction field like if i'm a janitor at apple it doesn't mean i'm a

06:41:26.820 software engineer um i'm not in the engineering field i'm in the janitorial field um so okay oh

06:41:39.060 body count does should body count matter does body count matter how about this do you object to when

06:41:47.540 excuse me do you object to men caring about body count starting with you we'll go around the table i don't

06:41:52.500 object if that's a preference uh you prefer women with lower body counts that's totally fine

06:41:59.860 it's their own personal opinion i really don't do you think it's like insecure they're insecure no i

06:42:05.540 just think it's their own personal preference of what they want okay i don't think it should matter

06:42:13.060 okay i think it's unnecessary to know a woman's body count it's unnecessary to know like a man shouldn't

06:42:19.380 ask that i think that's like someone's private information but what if they're wanting to be in

06:42:25.700 a relationship with you i'm not gonna lie i'd probably lie though oh i probably lie about my

06:42:33.060 number my number is not high or nothing i would just lie because i feel like i would if he's already

06:42:38.420 asking me he's i feel like he's already has an idea of a number in his head i mean i appreciate your

06:42:45.460 honesty but uh this is why when a girl if she does tell you your body count you might not she might

06:42:52.100 not being honest so nobody here is going to tell me that if they got asked they would actually tell

06:42:58.580 the truth nobody here some girls really low i've been with three people uh what about you um i think

06:43:09.540 i think it's the same principle as us wanting men that can provide for us so i think it's right for

06:43:15.940 like a guy to care about a woman's body count because i think that's a way to measure a man's

06:43:21.940 like value is if he can provide financially and i think a woman's value can also be judged in her

06:43:27.780 ability to say no especially to like sexual encounters good answer thank you i think it's a fair question

06:43:36.580 well fair question but do you do you object because there's men typically prefer women who

06:43:45.140 have low body counts or non-promiscuous do you object to that to men wanting a girl with a low

06:43:50.260 body count no i don't object to that okay jordan nobody no i don't object okay uh so going around

06:43:56.980 the table what's everybody's body count starting with madison okay we'll start with you and then go

06:44:08.260 around this way what kind of question is that what do you mean i don't feel like you ask that to a lady

06:44:15.940 and i don't feel comfortable responding to that not because it's high but i don't i think that's between

06:44:23.060 me and my partner okay all right three

06:44:32.900 three you guys are friends hey yeah

06:44:38.500 okay tell us the truth

06:44:42.020 it's actually three i didn't know hers was three but mine's actually three so

06:44:46.260 your friend is running out on your throwing you under the bus

06:44:58.420 the girls count too the girls do not count

06:45:05.700 were there more than three guys the girls blink blink twice if there's more than three guys it's

06:45:10.820 girls it's girls it's girls that counts three for you wait girls count yes girls count girls count

06:45:19.220 i suppose

06:45:22.740 if you add the girls what is it

06:45:29.540 do you want me to tell them i know your number

06:45:31.700 why would girls not count well i feel like everyone's like can't necessarily lose your virginity

06:45:41.380 to a girl well did you though no because technically like the definition of losing your virginity

06:45:50.980 doesn't i guess you're you people have their own definition your p and the v virginity is intact but

06:45:56.820 you've had sex so well masturbating is technically like having sex not really

06:46:05.540 so funny what is it you want to tell us not if she doesn't want me to fine nine women oh well

06:46:14.660 six women six okay okay gotcha what about you i'm not gonna answer that respectfully i thought you said

06:46:19.780 body count doesn't matter i'm not gonna answer that respectfully

06:46:26.420 okay

06:46:28.180 i would prefer to not share such personal information wait you shared it last up

06:46:32.420 last episode and i will say if anyone cares and wants to look back at the last i remember here i'll

06:46:37.380 just say it was it was five well it's one more than that then okay because you you were on like

06:46:44.980 a year plus ago i think right like a year yeah i was in like october oh okay 2022 you guys are friends

06:46:52.900 right yeah yes did you tell him the truth do you tell him the truth oh are you asking if he's asking

06:47:02.260 if i'm telling you yeah

06:47:06.740 okay what about you i'd prefer not to share i'm not really comfortable sharing that okay jordan

06:47:12.980 um that's something i would be sharing with my partner

06:47:18.900 okay all right okay gentlemen what are you guys didn't fucking share you guys share jack

06:47:25.140 shit wait i think that's a conversation with my partner you will share if here if y'all share q will

06:47:32.180 share deal

06:47:36.180 well i've heard come on just throws q under the bus

06:47:39.460 us if i just if you reveal how about this we'll do one for one we'll make it fair i don't care to

06:47:45.380 know what anyone's body count here how about you you want to do a trade you want to do the trade

06:47:49.380 people want to know the people's champ want to know okay um it's funny to see how

06:47:57.780 can men lie to inflate numbers and women like to decrease those numbers can we guess and you

06:48:05.860 guys tell us if it's not only on body counts and also three other areas three for who for who either

06:48:14.260 or both of us yeah you think they have three i'm gonna say q is like eight definitely eight to ten

06:48:23.780 his face he's like wait q how old are you i'm 30 oh shit never mind i'm gonna say like 15 to 20.

06:48:31.540 i think your body count is probably i'd say eight to ten

06:48:35.860 35.

06:48:39.220 and then you

06:48:41.380 the way you were describing how you like your relationships

06:48:43.940 he's definitely a player no no i don't think i mean i'm gonna say like six for a while hot or cold

06:48:54.900 lame okay he sniffled

06:49:07.620 four five six seven brian how old are you 34. i'm on some boomer shit

06:49:18.820 okay okay maybe he's eight to ten you're three years younger than my mom

06:49:24.900 how old's your mom she's like 37. i can't do math she's how old like 37. she's single

06:49:32.180 you don't want that don't what no i'm just kidding no she's actually not single um she has a boyfriend

06:49:42.180 not the husband though

06:49:45.860 it was a one night stand child

06:49:47.460 wait really yeah

06:49:55.060 did you know your dad uh i met him like a couple years ago

06:49:59.380 i found him on facebook that's what your that's what your mom told you or your dad told you my

06:50:05.460 dad told me my mom was just kind of like yeah i know him i was like okay

06:50:13.860 cool she's like yeah i know him i was like okay then i found him on facebook and i was like

06:50:19.220 hey you're my dad he's like okay it's like cool hopefully she was like a present figure in

06:50:26.260 your life though it's beautiful it's touching nikki right nicole sorry i said nikki's my nickname

06:50:32.180 oh nikki's your nickname we got two nickies we got nikki's right next to each other right

06:50:37.060 next to each other okay any final thoughts before i wrap up the show guys

06:50:42.020 any from anybody check out universe 25

06:50:47.380 or don't it's actually pretty cool it's pretty nifty to look at

06:50:51.060 i believe it was yeah is it a five year is it a five year i knew there was a five in there

06:50:58.820 somewhere though a five in here wow that's probably where i got confused i'm a free spirit

06:51:05.540 what why you go to nikki's bio wait question go to nikki's question link in bio link in bio

06:51:11.620 are you you're kind of are you a latina or are you asian yeah i was i'm wondering i'm trying

06:51:18.900 to figure this shit out i'm wondering the same thing i'm hawaiian japanese and panamanian

06:51:29.140 oh it's like a mix kind of so you're latina like the panama yeah

06:51:33.860 my dad's panamanian that's fire that's where my boyfriend's place oh really yeah that's my dad

06:51:40.660 um the lasting thought i have is that i feel like people in general nowadays need to be less

06:51:49.460 sensitive and open to criticism because i learned a lot being here and i feel like a lot of people

06:51:54.100 couldn't can't handle something like this instead of taking it as like constructive criticism or

06:52:00.420 actually opening their mind everyone just assumes they're right but i learned a lot and i'm grateful

06:52:05.380 for it and yeah thank you guys thank you thank you for coming a lot of people

06:52:15.140 can't handle these kinds of conversations

06:52:18.980 granted i'm kind of toxic as fuck so whatever it's all good like whatever that's the point

06:52:22.340 too at the same time that's the point you gotta make it into yeah you gotta make it i'm actually

06:52:26.820 i'm pretty spicy man i'm pretty tame not gonna not gonna lie compared to some other

06:52:31.380 uh a lot of people don't want to wait okay actually a question for you so you're like local

06:52:38.020 right like here in santa barbara yes question for you yes

06:52:44.980 oh fuck i don't want to ask never mind don't be a pussy oh my god no it's not

06:52:51.140 like have let me ask you a question have you when we've reached out to you

06:52:55.300 and like maybe you asked like a girlfriend if she wanted to come on the show like have

06:52:58.660 girls been like hesitant to want to come on the show because it's like

06:53:02.660 controversial or maybe like have a bad reputation

06:53:09.060 bro we got a lot of haters in santa barbara like

06:53:12.420 look it's a controversial show it's uh you know not everybody's gonna want to have their views

06:53:18.580 challenged and you should relocate to san diego i was gonna say people yeah they definitely come on

06:53:23.780 they yeah i actually really like san diego like i thought about moving this to obviously somewhere

06:53:28.740 more populated because the prices are better too no and i like san diego san diego feels like a

06:53:33.940 bigger santa barbara like it's still kind of a beach vibe and i don't like la i fucking hate la

06:53:40.100 san diego could be cool but uh the driving is a lot easier and then you have um

06:53:45.140 um cusd cal state san marcos well you you csd too right yeah yeah and then um san diego state yeah

06:53:55.220 but um cal state san marcos has like a lot of like really friendly people that i'm sure would be

06:54:00.420 more than willing to actually oh maybe i don't know csusm i don't know

06:54:06.580 san barbara's kind of cucked not gonna lie it's beautiful i fucking love santa barbara but it's kind of

06:54:10.820 cocked good times any any final thoughts from anybody else 50 50 is a scam for a woman

06:54:21.540 can i have my cat back

06:54:25.700 give her her cat back give my cat back i will find you oh wait question do you guys think men only

06:54:30.500 want one thing no no okay good answer wait question

06:54:36.740 yeah i was gonna i don't want to get into any of the feminism shit i think that when men are young

06:54:43.380 and immature they do only want one thing because they're not ready and they also don't feel like

06:54:47.700 they they fulfilled their goals to reach being a man in order to want something more serious so i

06:54:54.660 feel like when i'm a boy is like immature and young yeah i would say he wants sexual encounters more

06:55:01.860 than he would want like a serious committed relationship but once a boy has really matured into a

06:55:05.940 man he's ready to take that on and he feels confident in himself in his journey to provide

06:55:12.180 for a relationship word word okay hold on let me read this last chat from jrod then we're going to

06:55:18.820 wrap up we lie 90 but 10 disparities important ask each woman the panel's content pays your bills

06:55:25.380 if they date your personality then ask your mom if your action is it gentlemanly

06:55:31.620 miss message first delivery what

06:55:38.580 i'm a little confused is this for me jrod is this the panel's content pays your bills if they date

06:55:44.900 your personality wait like like like me or like would the girls they date ourselves other

06:55:54.260 they date like if we date our own personality yeah would you date your i think jrod i think that's the

06:55:59.780 question would you date your own personality if i was a man would i date myself this is kind of a vague

06:56:05.780 question yeah i would i would wait here let's just actually this came in earlier jrod i'm just gonna

06:56:14.500 have to co-opt your question here and would you guys date me or jaquan jake did i say your name jaquan

06:56:22.660 sorry sorry sorry sorry i scuffed it you got it i don't know you guys personally it's okay you can

06:56:29.540 you can say i'm a toxic piece of shit that's fine no no no no but yeah i will i will accept a date i

06:56:36.260 don't know as long as you pay for it you know exactly uh technically i got a man so no

06:56:44.020 i'd go on a date with you but not him what why he's so handsome not my type you don't like

06:56:54.980 don't go there it's the earrings actually it's the earrings yeah it kind of just reminds me of

06:57:01.460 gay guys i thought his earrings were cool they're cool and they're nice but like i just i have so many

06:57:07.540 gay friends she just called you gay dude no i didn't i just said i have so many gay friends

06:57:12.100 and they all have earrings so when i see a man with earrings i just instantly what do i assume he's

06:57:16.820 gay yeah i would date both of you guys i like that you guys were both very opinionated and

06:57:22.180 i respected your guys's opinion on every topic that we talked about and i like a guy that can like

06:57:27.780 voice his opinion so you both seem like you guys are good communicators so yes i would

06:57:31.700 say all right okay as someone who has high standards and is very careful about who i give

06:57:38.020 my energy to i don't have enough information to assess something like that and be able to answer

06:57:42.900 that so the question is i don't know okay all right that's that's a very politically correct

06:57:50.420 i was gonna say you should be a politician you should be a politician what about you um i sort of feel the

06:57:56.820 same way i don't really have enough information but however he i think you said earlier you are a

06:58:04.420 relationship coach so to me that stands out it in something that like you know a lot about emotional

06:58:15.140 intelligence and a relationship so like i you know why not word uh jordan um i'm intrigued i would say

06:58:25.620 yes to both oh

06:58:33.060 all right there you have it folks okay guys we need to wrap up the show before we hit the seven

06:58:36.820 hour mark guys last call hit the like button please on your way out thank you for tuning in tonight

06:58:40.740 and you could have been anywhere in the world but you're here with me i appreciate that thank you to

06:58:43.940 everyone who super chats donate supports the show thank you to the wonderful panel we went long

06:58:48.180 so really appreciate it guys um if you're interested in sponsoring the podcast dm at whatever if you

06:58:54.740 were a girl and you want to be on the show dm out whatever um we'll be live again uh thursday we're

06:59:00.740 doing a debate at like 1 p.m uh tune in for that debate trent rose lila or excuse me trent horn lila

06:59:06.740 rose destiny jasmine jafar that's gonna be a good one approximately 1 p.m i think uh we're gonna go live

06:59:12.660 on thursday anyways guys that's it oh dating talk will be back sunday at 5 p.m we'll see you next time

06:59:17.940 good night guys oh seven's in the chat

Whatever Podcast - December 06, 2023

Gold Digger SHAMES Broke Men？! GODLY OnlyFans Girl？! Fiancé GHOSTED Her？! ｜ Dating Talk #125

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