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00:03:01.020 introduce themselves uh first off i just want to apologize that we were running behind here normally

00:03:06.540 we go live at 5 p.m it's now about 6 10 p.m my apologies guys we had today was we've done over

00:03:13.360 100 shows today was the uh most catastrophic day when it came to guests absolutely snafu foobar

00:03:20.320 shit hit the fan situation um luckily we uh madison and nick went down to the mean streets of santa

00:03:29.520 barbara and were able to get seven people just on the street within like an hour's notice to come

00:03:36.020 be on the show so those of you who are joining us kind of last minute thank you very much appreciate

00:03:39.820 it uh but yeah we had um we had 16 people flake now obviously 16 people we never have 16 people on

00:03:47.940 the show when i say that i mean we had some flakes so i'll break it down within the 72 hour period

00:03:54.200 before the show start we had four girls flake within a 24 hour period two girls flake within a 12

00:03:59.760 hour period four girls flake within a two hour period three girls flake within the one hour period

00:04:04.600 three girls flake um if i have my uh if i have this up to date so um you know well we obviously

00:04:12.640 will if someone flakes three days ago we try to fill the people that we filled they ended up flaking so

00:04:17.580 uh shout out to bianca cara tiffany isabella de luca claudia marina chloe josie samantha sarah

00:04:24.480 cassette briona briana roxy taylor wendy christina you i love you guys very much um thank you guys for uh

00:04:32.760 flaking appreciate it okay what oh i could have done more i could show i could show the messages

00:04:40.200 i'm salty i'm very salty okay

00:04:44.520 i was wondering what you were listing off

00:04:46.280 i thought you were listing subscribers yeah i was like there's no way that many women in a row

00:04:51.280 no that's the people that that flaked and so uh i could show you guys the messages maybe some of

00:05:00.180 these flakes are valid mostly it's bullshit but uh you know ultimately look at the end of the day

00:05:04.700 um i think that's what as a guy you're going to be dealing with in 2023 when it comes to dating

00:05:09.020 you're going to be dealing with you know flaking uh by the way the panel's absolutely stacked against

00:05:15.200 me um it's what what do we have 11 people here all right i'll try to hold my own but i'm outnumbered

00:05:20.400 um but i i will say gentlemen that's what you're dealing with in 2023 so

00:05:25.540 what what what's what's with the eye roll kika

00:05:30.100 yeah you flaked a couple times am i gonna throw you under the bus now remember that one time you

00:05:36.440 no showed or maybe the two times i no showed i definitely told you no no no no there was a day

00:05:42.660 there was definitely at least one show where it was a no show but maybe yeah man maybe he doesn't

00:05:50.580 hold that against you or anything i secretly do i secretly do you've brought inside of me he

00:05:56.680 definitely holds crudges 100 i i hold crudges well here i am yep here you are well we we uh we're

00:06:03.760 the homies now i guess so you told you texted me like three hours we'll see how tonight goes though

00:06:08.180 we'll see how tonight goes okay um so uh without further ado so yeah guys sorry that we uh had the

00:06:15.740 delay you know 16 people flaked thank you to those of you who came in last minute appreciate it without

00:06:20.980 further ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age and

00:06:24.720 occupation go ahead uh hi my name is kiko i'm 23 and i'm a student okay welcome oh my name's mandy i am

00:06:33.780 21 years old and i am a student at ucsb uh really quick what do you study kiko criminology

00:06:40.320 what what are you studying at ucsb i'm a double major in classics and art history okay what about

00:06:46.980 you hi i'm emily i'm 19 and a senior at ucsb majoring in econ and accounting and communication

00:06:54.520 triple triple major econ and accounting is one oh it's one thing and then communication yeah

00:07:00.660 yeah okay it's a second yeah but you're a senior at 19 so did you get some college credits in high

00:07:04.940 school or um just like yeah i did self-paced school and just went really fast during covid worst time

00:07:12.040 of my life but worked out well yeah i guess you're gonna be graduating uh early so yeah so you were

00:07:19.040 while you were in high school you were enrolling in like college classes at the city college or

00:07:23.200 something or um yeah during my third year of high school i did my junior year of high school senior

00:07:28.520 year of high school and freshman year of college and then i did my sophomore year of college instead

00:07:33.600 of my senior year of high school and then i transferred to ucsb did my junior year and now

00:07:38.480 i'm a senior here wow okay a little hard to follow along okay yeah got it thank you wait is this your

00:07:44.520 first year in person or did you do last year in person last year was in person and you were here

00:07:48.340 at ucsb yeah got it what about you um i'm joe i'm 18 and i'm a student at ucsb and i'm majoring in

00:07:54.740 dance dance major okay yeah uh do you is there a uh specific type of dance jazz dance ballet what

00:08:00.800 are you doing i do all so like jazz ballet hip-hop tap contemporary yeah tap tap dance yeah you know

00:08:07.400 how to tap dance yeah can you demonstrate something later yeah of course okay on the

00:08:12.720 break but okay very cool um how long have you been dancing uh 14 years and what was what would

00:08:20.820 you say is your primary format of dance ballet or just everything uh everything yeah you've done

00:08:26.420 but have you done ballet for 14 years i think yeah i think ballet 12 maybe okay yeah because i hear the

00:08:33.120 it like fucks your feet oh yeah my feet are disgusting i'm a dancer my feet are always bleeding

00:08:38.280 good times yeah sweet awesome okay what about you um my name is mira i'm 18 and i'm also a student

00:08:45.720 at ucsb and my major is biopsych okay biopsych got it what about you i'm summer i'm also 18 and my

00:08:53.740 major is pre-stats and data science and i also go to ucsb welcome i'm hannah i'm 20 i also go to ucsb

00:09:01.500 and i'm a psych and brain sciences major all right ucsb represent okay

00:09:07.980 what about you i'm katie i'm 18 i'm also a student at ucsb and i'm a history major so did you say 18

00:09:16.320 or not 18 18 got it okay

00:09:18.160 hi my name is grace i go by juice i'm 36 and i'm a server you go by juice where did how it tell us the

00:09:29.580 origin story of that nickname well my full name is grace justine my mom doesn't like grace so i go by

00:09:36.440 justine but it's so hard for me to say my name here so i go by juice just because it's a little

00:09:40.500 bit easier i thought it was like a gang name no no no you didn't get that where are you from i'm from

00:09:47.180 costa rica but i've been living here yeah but i've been living here for eight years like yeah so juice

00:09:53.080 isn't that didn't originate from the mean streets of costa rica yeah no no well yes but it doesn't mean

00:09:59.700 yeah it's not like yeah okay cool welcome thank you i'm priya i'm 22 years old

00:10:06.200 i am a full-time student uh at asu online i co-run a family business and i'm an equestrian

00:10:12.780 how many horses do you have i have three brian good times three horses red flag

00:10:19.380 all right there you have it folks um wow i'll have i actually might have some specific uh questions

00:10:26.740 related to uh the students but uh we're gonna go around the table once more so please what is your

00:10:31.760 current relationship status so are you single are you in the talking stage situationship friends

00:10:37.360 with benefits relationship married polycule are you part of a harem sex cult who knows people are

00:10:43.920 it's 2023 if you're single how long have you been single and what's your longest relationship you've

00:10:49.220 ever been in go ahead um i'm in a relationship still and my longest really why is keep going okay um

00:11:01.440 i'm in a relationship and my longest relationship was like two years is that your current one no my

00:11:08.920 current one's been we're working on nine months okay cool oh um so i am currently single my last

00:11:19.080 relationship was more of like a situationship maybe like two months ago ish okay and my longest

00:11:27.380 relationship was like five to six months long as five to six months so current you said currently

00:11:34.960 single currently single enjoying it and you were in a situationship two months ago did i say two

00:11:42.320 months i i probably like around it was more recent but it was probably like three months ago and it

00:11:48.180 lasts did you maybe you said it lasted only two months or something yeah it wasn't very long okay

00:11:53.580 gotcha um why did he dump you oh that both of you to assume that was it could be a she yeah you could

00:12:00.780 have done the dumping who knows oh no that that was all me um i did well it wasn't like a dump it was

00:12:06.520 more just like uh i slowly stopped responding as often and then he kind of got the hint which was a

00:12:14.700 little awkward but you know okay so be it wait you sort of stopped responding i would respond

00:12:21.800 occasionally but it would be a lot more like dry answers um so like a ghost like a ghost it was like a

00:12:28.780 slow ghost like i still had to see him occasionally so it was like a gradual ghost dragged it out yeah

00:12:34.940 yeah yeah okay and then eventually there either he took the he got what you were doing it wasn't like

00:12:44.620 a dumping per se we just it wasn't like we had anything official so it was just like a drifting and

00:12:51.160 we're on like good terms so oops and you just um you just lost interest basically yeah i find that

00:13:00.060 happens a lot with me it happens a lot yeah i'm usually the one to lose interest first okay and

00:13:06.820 then does it sort of play out the same way where it slow ghost or not necessarily a slow ghost but a

00:13:14.940 slow like petering off of my interest it just uh fades exactly fizzles out okay that's a good way

00:13:21.940 to describe it got it um also i'm just curious about your uh earrings marlboro they're the little yeah

00:13:28.760 the little cigarette case earrings do you smoke cigarettes um not very often but a girl was

00:13:33.920 selling them on campus and i thought they were super cute and went with my hair okay yeah it matches

00:13:38.880 your hair okay so uh ever since that situationship nothing um no because i kind of find that i enjoy

00:13:47.920 my alone time i'm more like have going out having fun sure but not really having to be forced to like

00:13:54.760 respond all the time because i like to kind of do things on my own time so that doesn't really

00:14:00.400 isn't really compatible with like a serious relationship so i'm kind of not in that place yet

00:14:06.520 okay what about you um i'm super single i had i've been in one relationship it was over a year

00:14:16.180 long um that's actually the only guy i've ever talked to in my life and that was a while ago so

00:14:23.840 nothing since so one year how long have you been single three three years for you like yeah give or

00:14:33.400 take okay so this was like a high school relationship yeah yeah got it so super single

00:14:39.360 yes like extremely like don't even talk to anyone at all nobody nobody there hasn't even been like a

00:14:46.080 crush or a fling or anything nothing no okay nothing there was a situation

00:14:52.940 yep she doesn't even have any social media like she oh yeah i had no social media right before

00:15:02.220 um actually while i was waiting to come up to this studio i made a snapchat so that's my first form of

00:15:09.580 social media who uh was the one who encouraged well they who's being a bad influence here everyone just

00:15:17.080 asked for social media and i'm always like sorry you don't have one and people think

00:15:20.820 like taking your number is so personal right that's that's true so i just made one you've never had social

00:15:26.760 media ever i did like in elementary and then honestly good for you yeah that's how you are a senior at 19

00:15:35.420 exactly okay all right um so you said there was a little something though right slightly on accident

00:15:43.760 yeah on accident on accident what do you um i met a guy at school actually and then

00:15:52.140 he introduced me to his best friend slash roommate who i became friends with he was setting us up

00:16:00.860 and then while trying to set us up we got together a little bit so i kind of did a

00:16:10.420 slight swap and then decided i should actually continue never speaking to boys ever again in my

00:16:19.380 life so are you not interested in dating at all right now i am but i it's not a priority i'm

00:16:25.780 really not a fan of the way guys in our dating culture act so i completely avoid it sure we'll

00:16:34.180 come back to that okay not a fan of how your senses are up his wheels are turning he's writing that one

00:16:42.760 down he's writing that one no i just want to get have let everyone have an opportunity to uh answer

00:16:47.400 the question but we can definitely revisit that so so there was uh two guys one and there was a

00:16:53.020 switcheroo kind of thing friends slash roommates don't recommend so you were interested in the

00:16:59.060 first guy the first guy introduced you to the next guy then you the next guy was setting me up

00:17:03.740 with the first guy and then during the setup pull the move yeah that sounds complicated yeah

00:17:11.540 all right what about you i'm single and i've never been in a relationship before

00:17:18.300 single never been in a relationship uh what's the uh have you been on a date have you had maybe like

00:17:28.960 a not a boyfriend girlfriend thing but maybe you're talking to a guy for like a month have you

00:17:33.000 ever had yeah yeah this past summer just like a cute little summer flame summer flame okay and that

00:17:38.300 was what two or three months or something like that yeah like started early june ended august were you

00:17:42.860 friends before or no he actually thought i hated him like he swore i hated him all year i didn't but

00:17:49.900 you wait why did he think you hated him okay so last year at senior sunrise he didn't know my name

00:17:57.240 and he like felt terrible about it and i don't know i think i might just have rbf and we were in like

00:18:03.300 one class together and he just never wanted like he just thought i hated him because he did he didn't

00:18:07.720 know my name one time yeah it was really why oh you had a class together yeah just one class though

00:18:14.700 and so he thought you hated him because he didn't know your name isn't that yeah i mean you guys didn't

00:18:21.440 know each other though no we had never met before so i don't okay i don't yeah well it's because of the

00:18:27.700 rbf i don't yeah he just assumed that you hated him but he assumed i hated him i like i don't think i

00:18:34.600 ever spoke another word to him so i have a question for the table really quick on this for the whole

00:18:38.880 girl for all of the girls have you ever been like talking to a guy maybe he's hitting on you maybe he's

00:18:43.280 flirting on you flirting with you excuse me flirting on you and you're talking and you at one point

00:18:50.760 earlier on in the interaction you had introduced yourself you had given your name and then later on

00:18:55.720 in the conversation maybe he asked for it again or he forgets maybe he's going for the number

00:19:00.660 and he's like uh what's the name would you be or have you ever been offended if a guy in that

00:19:08.440 situation you you already gave the name once but if he goes for it again have you ever been upset

00:19:13.220 that he didn't remember never no i'm horrible with names okay it depends yeah because like i mean like

00:19:23.580 if he's really quick and he like i quickly said it at the beginning like it's kind of plausible that

00:19:27.920 he could forget it later on but if i said it like really calmly and really slowly and i kept talking

00:19:33.760 about myself and then he forgets it again and he's just quickly just trying to get my number trying to

00:19:38.440 get my socials then let's just like yeah anybody over here had that i never actually care but i do

00:19:46.620 use it as a way to avoid talking to them so i'll be like oh you don't remember my name you must not

00:19:52.220 care that's my way out it's not that you're so it's not so much that you're mad that he doesn't know

00:19:56.740 the name you're just using is it a pretext to be like okay i can use this to yes okay because i

00:20:03.020 definitely feel like i i when i was younger i had an encounter where probably a few encounters where

00:20:08.420 the girl gets upset that i don't know her name if i'm like trying to get the number whatever

00:20:13.220 and then uh sometimes she doesn't she never even said the name to begin with it's like oh you forgot

00:20:18.620 my name i think it's worse when they call you a different name because i've had that like just

00:20:22.620 instantly happen like i got a voice memo yesterday i was like what up skyler and i was like that's

00:20:26.740 not that is not my name so have you guys had that a guy said another girl's name yeah what about

00:20:33.820 they just butcher my name what about this let's say you've been dating a guy for three months

00:20:39.080 three months right and while you guys are hooking up he says another girl's name is it a rap

00:20:46.560 or you know done done forever he's like okay you guys are making out whatever and then he's like

00:20:53.180 oh gertrude that's a crazy name job that's a crazy name especially making out who thinks of gertrude

00:21:00.760 that kind of i mean there's some babe gertrudes who are babes how many have you met a handful

00:21:06.260 okay i've never even met someone named gertrude i'm hanging out at the bingo hall

00:21:10.900 this gertrude must be the first person ever

00:21:14.960 the bingo hall i can see it i hang out there um so but has anybody have you ever hooked up with a guy

00:21:21.220 and he said another girl's name no no never no okay all right okay but it would be a done done zone

00:21:29.180 three months three months in what if he apologized after he's like oh whoops

00:21:32.900 my bad especially gertrude like come on yeah it's a rough name gotcha okay so uh single never had a

00:21:42.440 boyfriend yeah um you had a summer fling yeah but i i think i recall you were you were gonna come

00:21:49.420 actually next week with your friend tiffany yes and you had actually provided some pre-show

00:21:54.160 information to us and if i recall um you're not really looking for anything casual right now though

00:22:00.220 is that yeah no i just think going into college like the next big chapter of my life i don't want

00:22:05.120 to be looking for something if it's not something that's going to be taken seriously like i don't

00:22:09.920 want to do the casual dating i want to look for something that's going to last well you you're more

00:22:14.340 so on i don't want to call it extreme but you're more so on the very very opposite end of that if i

00:22:19.960 understand correctly you're you're waiting until marriage is that correct yeah i would say for

00:22:24.580 sure okay and so but you haven't like the summer fling that wasn't no i think it was definitely

00:22:30.760 more was that a hookup or no no no okay so you're legit like waiting until marriage yeah okay anybody

00:22:36.920 else here just waiting until marriage or

00:22:38.920 maybe it's okay if you're not it's a possibility possibility the way things are going now yeah

00:22:48.940 honestly same i just not things aren't going well oh wow okay we got we got to get into that things

00:22:55.200 not going well let me write that down not going okay um not going well and is it for do you are you

00:23:03.960 religious yes do you consider yourself more conservative or for sure gotcha and you're christian

00:23:09.760 christian gotcha okay okay got it what about you okay mine's kind of complicated right now

00:23:16.280 i'm i'm going through something called like an area code dating so it's like if you're in the same

00:23:22.620 area code you're like you're like really together and like you're like full-on dating but since i'm

00:23:28.680 going to college and then the guy that i'm talking to is living in arizona going to flight school

00:23:33.860 it's kind of just hard especially going since i'm going into ucsp joining a sorority and he's going

00:23:38.740 to be busy at school all the time so we can't really like talk on like a daily basis right i'm going

00:23:44.140 down for thanksgiving so i'll see how that goes but like right now it's like i'm allowed to go see

00:23:49.580 other people not really date other people but just like casually like parties and stuff like that

00:23:54.820 like who knows wait did you said you're allowed yeah that's she just won't tell him that's pretty

00:24:00.300 much what that means so you're not allowed actually no no no i am allowed but i already like talked to

00:24:06.920 him about it because we've already kind of accepted the fact that we're going to be going and seeing

00:24:11.400 other people and going to parties without each other and like at the beginning of our relationship

00:24:16.540 i said i didn't want to date in college and he really really wanted to stay together

00:24:22.300 so i i gave that as an ultimatum i was like if you really want to stay together then you have to

00:24:29.120 let me like go explore other options while also like still having you and like i can decide for

00:24:36.400 myself and stuff so would you say he was more into you than you were into him no i was definitely

00:24:41.580 still into him a lot but it was just i i wasn't ready to do like full-on long distance and you didn't

00:24:47.040 want to go into college with yeah a kind of not totally solidified yeah long distance relationship

00:24:54.020 but but i mean it sounded like you kind of wanted more so hey let's kind of keep things a little bit

00:25:00.000 open yeah and he was wanting to well he lock it in okay here's the hard part i'm like his first

00:25:10.300 girlfriend like ever i've had a boyfriend for two years like a couple like a year before i met him

00:25:15.900 so i've had a relationship before but he's never had a girlfriend before until he met me and we had

00:25:20.700 only been dating for like three four months so it wasn't even like super serious right so i was just

00:25:27.680 like like i don't really know what to do and i couldn't just say like straight up no don't talk to

00:25:33.200 me i'm gonna ghost you like right yeah she's doing a little closer okay yeah but i just like

00:25:39.200 couldn't just straight up just ghost him so that was like my easiest way okay so you will be dating

00:25:47.760 other people though not dating not dating but like you're gonna go out and party and yeah i don't i

00:25:54.400 don't know if i'm gonna go hook up with other people or even like make out with other people i'm

00:25:58.320 just gonna see how it goes and then like later on if i do feel like actually going and dating other

00:26:03.340 people and seeing other people then that's what i'm gonna talk to him and be like i want to go do

00:26:10.360 this i'm so sorry like i don't want to be able to hurt him in a way that's gonna hurt him and you

00:26:16.420 said uh where are you from originally i'm from washington and he's in arizona were you both in

00:26:21.460 washington yeah and then he went to flight school in arizona yeah you came here to santa barbara to go to

00:26:26.920 ucsb okay um what's his name first name can you oh just first name just first name his name's true

00:26:37.860 true true it sounds like a kardashian name oh it isn't that's why i i need to i need to say something

00:26:48.480 to true true if you're watching i'm addressing this to you stop it get some help no true it's over

00:26:55.240 true it's over it's not over she's at the number one party school in the united states

00:27:01.060 i'm sorry true you can't do long distance okay but i'm sorry i didn't mean to sabotage your

00:27:06.460 your budding long distance not really solidified relationship i mean i'm going down to visit him

00:27:13.280 in november oh really yeah i don't recommend okay hold on we'll let this come in donated 99

00:27:19.700 two part question one if you ladies want to be valuable drop out of college and be with a man

00:27:26.960 be feminine support him and don't get fat oh kiko do you think anyone aged 37 should speak to these

00:27:34.940 lovely teenagers because i have a 19 years slash show as a 38 years slash show

00:27:41.180 kiko do you want to answer his second question there um i mean all i see from that is if i'm

00:27:48.800 reading it correctly that you were victim of teen pregnancy i'm so sorry about that but um i hope

00:27:55.080 you're doing well um i hope yeah that you oh he has he has a 19 year old daughter beat in cheeks

00:28:02.120 confirm or deny he said 19 year old is a 38 year old yeah yeah he has yeah 19 wait no but is he is he

00:28:09.260 saying as a as a girlfriend or as a that's that's the part you know i don't think they could i'm hoping

00:28:16.660 he finished his education but it's looking like maybe having a kid early on affected his okay ability

00:28:23.380 to type so okay there you have it um do any of you want to take him up on his advice to drop out of

00:28:29.240 college not my words don't shoot the messenger that's what he's saying give that advice to your

00:28:34.440 daughter or your kid not us oh well there you have it while while we have a chat here we have

00:28:40.120 puffy vegas i have 65 million views on youtube channel i've interviewed over 1500 girls i would

00:28:45.160 like to come this show that also this show in viewed

00:28:50.040 yeah he you'll see a lot from puffy vegas just wait just you wait puffy will be back puffy yeah puffy

00:28:58.860 good to see you in the chat man it's been a couple weeks uh thank you man appreciate it um grammarly

00:29:03.160 again has free free options free grammarly we've talked about it before or you could just like open

00:29:09.400 up word doc and do some yeah grammar questions yeah some spell check nice to meet you puffy

00:29:15.500 yeah he's he's um interesting he's he's a good guy okay he's a good guy he's a lot of things to tell

00:29:23.260 us usually so uh so going back to you you've got this guy in arizona it's i was thinking about it

00:29:30.280 now it's kind of just like open dating oh yeah hold on the story's changing no that's what i said

00:29:35.200 before like he's allowed to go see other people i'm allowed to go see other does he know that he's

00:29:38.820 allowed to go yeah no we talked about this like a while for like a month before i left for college

00:29:44.040 so like so it's kind of a it's basically an open relationship yeah it's basically like an open

00:29:50.860 relationship summer said you're not gonna tell him no i am gonna tell him it's just like i

00:29:57.740 i am gonna tell him i am gonna tell him i have he knows now if he's watching i know he knows now i

00:30:04.260 am gonna tell you i am gonna tell him but it's just like i haven't gone with anyone yet

00:30:10.140 yes yeah but i don't yes okay yes yes hey it's an open relationship so maybe just some context for

00:30:18.380 the viewers because we have a lot of people who are in different parts of california different parts

00:30:22.460 of the u.s even uh outside the country uh so ucsb is a four-year university here in santa barbara

00:30:29.280 california it's enrollment is what 20 000 undergrad i think 20 25 000 undergrad uh it was classes just

00:30:37.480 started this week correct yeah it starts on thursday oh it hasn't started yet okay so it's uh

00:30:43.060 it was move-in weekend for like everyone coming back yeah so it starts thursday okay got it got it

00:30:48.740 um so and when did you just arrive you arrived i arrived like three days ago three days ago okay so

00:30:54.500 not yet but the weekends come

00:30:58.380 okay uh so and you said you're in a sorority correct i'm gonna be during i'm not rushing

00:31:05.480 i'm not rushing fall semester but i'm gonna rush spring semester okay so anybody here uh in a

00:31:11.320 sorority or planning to join a sorority i'm rushing this semester too this semester quarter yeah i'm

00:31:16.560 rushing as well this quarter okay i'm also rushing okay anybody else were you in the sorority at one

00:31:23.700 point kiko no you're not you're not a fan of sororities or um it just doesn't have anything

00:31:29.700 that entices me oh okay all right well there you go all right so uh what about you okay so mine's

00:31:38.260 kind of similar kind of not but he goes to college and he plays football so he's kind of been like

00:31:44.980 there throughout the summer for camp and everything so we were together pretty much all of the summer

00:31:50.380 since like after prom and then once college came around we kind of started doing long distance and

00:31:56.300 then it kind of got complicated he came back and then basically when he went back again i kind of

00:32:01.500 ghosted him but it was like mutual because he like turned off his location and started acting you know

00:32:07.580 i think he wants to like live the college experience but then i just got like the see you at

00:32:11.100 thanksgiving break text like a week ago before i came so i think you know he's trying to come back

00:32:17.740 but we'll see um knowing me i'll probably fold because i have a really bad like commitment

00:32:24.060 issues so like i've been in a lot of situationships that like one like lasted like eight to nine months

00:32:28.940 but i never have like felt the urge to like be like oh like make us like because we've been exclusive

00:32:34.860 just like not titled boyfriend girlfriend yeah but for with him it kind of was different like we wanted

00:32:40.140 to be boyfriend girlfriend but it was just really bad timing so we'll see how it goes when we

00:32:45.180 you know meet each other again thanksgiving break i don't know if that's how thanksgiving

00:32:49.340 break i don't know if i'm going back but we'll see we'll see okay it's it's complicated i know

00:32:55.980 i'm letting him run around at college doing whatever he wants to do and he's texting you

00:33:00.620 early enough so he has enough time to know if he's gonna be able to hang out with you over

00:33:04.060 thanksgiving break or if he should line somebody else up to have over thanksgiving yeah i know

00:33:07.580 because he can't even spend a nanosecond by him second yeah i sound really delusional right now

00:33:12.460 but at the same time i want to know you don't sound delusional you just sound like you are

00:33:16.380 yeah letting him walk all over you yeah no no yes well it was like you at thanksgiving

00:33:23.820 location turned off you stopped talking the same college yeah it's why if we're not dating anymore

00:33:29.900 and we're doing our own thing we're turning off locations why are we even spending our time home

00:33:35.340 our valuable time home that we don't have rekindle it was kind of mutual a little bit i was just like i

00:33:41.420 i think i was more affected by it but he was like he's kind of like he's really it was really cringy

00:33:47.340 of him he has like a few tiktok followers he got famous over like covet or something so he posted a

00:33:52.860 tiktok and he's like when you meet the one and then you leave for college in two days and i was

00:33:56.300 like delete this this shit's embarrassing like i like if you're if you're gonna like if you're gonna

00:34:01.180 complain and turn off your location you should not be posting this so i'm kind of like you know so yeah

00:34:06.780 that's where i'm at he uh how far you don't have to say what university he goes to but you said he's

00:34:12.860 playing colorado oh he's in colorado yeah he plays football first and last name name drop right now

00:34:20.380 you have to do first name is it a party school that he's going to um not really actually i don't know

00:34:26.700 colorado is he playing d1 football colorado state is that d1 yeah division one football player going off

00:34:34.940 to college in another state that's yeah well i mean you you guys aren't exclusive right i mean well

00:34:44.140 we can't we were like this summer pretty much um yeah it started off like we had mutual friends so

00:34:50.940 then we started you know hanging out and it was also different because his family lives in another

00:34:55.900 state and he had like an apartment by himself so it was really easy to hang out and we kind of spent

00:35:01.260 like a lot of time this summer together so it was just you know yeah i mean athletes different

00:35:10.140 college yeah even same college even same college athletes are exclusive yeah he's probably gonna

00:35:17.100 play the field but like d1 babies what position does he play he's a defensive back oh so but he's

00:35:25.260 obviously obviously probably on the bench so okay all right so it's uh what do you would you call

00:35:31.900 that complicated then yeah complicated but i'm like we'll see i feel like being here i'm already

00:35:39.020 like leaving it in the past so hopefully it stays there okay got it what about you i'm in a relationship

00:35:46.300 we've been together for about a year and we're doing long distance we just started long distance

00:35:52.540 was he you go to ucsb right yeah was he previously going here or no he goes to cal poly so it's more

00:36:01.820 like medium distance yeah medium distance relationship yeah and but you said it just

00:36:06.460 became long distance because we both just moved we both lived in our hometown and we both just went

00:36:12.860 to college good luck okay oh were you going to a cc before that yeah we were both at the community

00:36:18.460 college and then now we're both going away to college long distance yeah okay you think it's gonna

00:36:25.500 work out or yeah he's like my husband

00:36:28.940 good for you okay all right good times good times what about you i've been single for 18 years

00:36:35.420 i'm 18 by the way well i hope you were single for the

00:36:39.900 like of course like you're not gonna be dating for like what the first 10 out the womb like i don't

00:36:47.820 know when do you like when's it like i know some people who are real serious in kindergarten oh

00:36:52.540 yeah the the i've officiated those little relationships no actually i think i have two

00:36:59.580 i didn't have one but i definitely witnessed oh you know what i might have been in like a first grade

00:37:03.980 wedding does that count that counts i should probably call this guy i should probably call

00:37:11.020 this guy up let him know you probably should you probably should see what he's up to um so okay

00:37:16.860 single what about maybe was there a summer fling or anything this past summer there was never a summer

00:37:23.180 fling junior year i really liked a guy and he i found out at the end that he was he's been leading

00:37:29.820 me on for like six months but like number one's on snapchat for over two months like snapping really

00:37:36.780 late into the night and then um i hung out with a friend who goes to a different school and i found

00:37:43.100 out he was dating a girl the grade below us from that school oh yeah that was that that went really

00:37:49.180 well for me what you said he was leading you on is that what you said for six months yeah how so were

00:37:55.020 you were you guys actually dating or just we were never dating just like we would text

00:37:59.100 all the time like snapping all the time yeah just like you never met in person no no no we we went

00:38:07.820 to the same school we had classes together we hung out during school okay did he never post his

00:38:13.740 girlfriend or anything oh apparently like he had a girl well apparently like he would i should say that

00:38:19.580 um his girlfriend um his girlfriend um had a guy had a boyfriend and i found out like like triangle

00:38:32.300 like and then um yeah sorry um i found out that like this girl broke up with the boyfriend

00:38:41.100 and then like immediately started dating the guy i liked so maybe it was a homewrecker situation

00:38:49.820 i'm not really sure i don't really know what happened behind the scenes but i just know that he

00:38:55.580 basically kind of like stopped talking to me okay so you're super single super single yeah and then i

00:39:03.740 liked a guy this past year yeah and then i liked a guy this past year and um oh i don't know he was

00:39:10.540 that was that was my bad sure okay he was shouldn't have liked him was all i'm gonna say okay uh

00:39:20.700 juice right yes juice before i have you come in since most of y'all go to ucs oh wait

00:39:26.700 well you go to ucsb too kiko so oh you transferred okay um you guys have all some of you are second

00:39:34.380 years or no are all of you is this your first year at ucsb it's just not ours yeah you've been here and

00:39:41.900 then you've been i'm a fourth year yeah okay so

00:39:47.420 what do you think about the guys at isla vista ucsb absolutely terrible do not recommend ditto

00:39:53.420 so so far what it's been a couple days for some of you the guys that are hot know they're hot and

00:39:58.940 that's the bad part yep yeah that's kind of deep i feel like we should go into that

00:40:06.620 well like when they know they're attractive they're cocky about it it's like if you like

00:40:09.580 try to go up and talk to them they like they know why you're going up to talk to them and they're like

00:40:15.100 they're over cocky well let me ask you so you've done this though like this weekend at a party

00:40:20.780 right not at a party but like i saw like i saw a cute guy and like walked up to him

00:40:25.260 okay and you said he knows what you want what do you want like like going up and like saying like

00:40:31.020 hi like asking for like a snapchat or just like introducing yourself and he's like he's very aware

00:40:36.220 of his appearance i would say so he like knows that he's hot and is like over confident about it okay

00:40:50.780 like i'm getting stared down so okay uh i mean does that echo for any of you too or

00:40:58.620 i mean you guys don't approach come on be honest you guys aren't approaching people

00:41:02.060 i only like guys who like me so i do not approach okay i have a type and i haven't really you haven't

00:41:09.900 seen what's your diet football players of course d1 preferably basketball oh yeah um yeah so so far

00:41:22.060 but we did have like freshmen are just trying to like knock on your door and like come into your

00:41:26.380 dorm so we had to kind of kick people out of our dorm because we're just like okay guys we're gonna go

00:41:30.780 can you like leave because they're just kind of weird but um yeah so that's my experience so far

00:41:38.140 i also feel like some of the guys here are a little bit like pushy like if you're more like

00:41:45.020 like you're kind of maybe thinking about it you don't really know him and so you're like thinking

00:41:49.580 about it but they get a little like overly put at least i've noticed at a couple of the frats that

00:41:55.020 i've been to that like if i'm like okay i'm feeling a little uncomfortable i don't see my friends around

00:42:00.460 i kind of want to go they're like well where are you going do you not trust me like that type of thing

00:42:05.420 and it's more just like no no i don't well it's like neutral before but now i definitely

00:42:11.260 some of these guys are hungry though because we no we dead ass escape people on a scooter like an

00:42:17.180 electric scooter like we were at our dorm and they're like oh we're going with you like just wait

00:42:20.860 they try to hop onto our scooter and i'm like we already have two people on the scooter so we just

00:42:25.660 zoomed away like we're like no no thank you bye okay yeah all right so you're saying that the guys

00:42:32.700 that you want they're too the one guy that i walked up to the one singular guy that you walked

00:42:37.420 up to yeah yeah that that no no okay that's i'm i'm gonna stop contact with men this is this is about

00:42:43.740 where i'm where you got you got okay but did he reject you or just what he was just just cocky he

00:42:48.940 was just an asshole he was an asshole yeah most most guys i've ever come in contact with our assholes

00:42:55.420 agree now here's the question though is it the men that you're chasing after that are the assholes

00:43:04.380 because because couldn't we also frame like you said well the really hot guys

00:43:09.660 they are kind of cocky and but what if you're shooting outside of your league

00:43:15.740 because you said they're really hot right i mean like not like really hot just just like slightly more

00:43:22.140 than like i don't know average i mean like i feel like i feel like i've lowered my standards over

00:43:27.500 the years but like the bars on the ground but let me ask you a question so the same treatment so the

00:43:34.780 treatment that these guys who are assholes you know what they're doing in terms of acting cocky or

00:43:40.860 whatever i mean do you also treat the men that you turn down in that same way guys don't really come up

00:43:49.580 to me i don't really get that okay is anybody here on any dating apps hinge bumble no okay it used to

00:43:57.100 be but it wasn't my thing what's it called um christian mingle farmers only i got banned from tinder

00:44:03.900 why um it wasn't anything bad i was trying me and my best friend from home tried using the same exact

00:44:10.940 tinder app but then she also got banned so because she as her profile picture she put a photo of her

00:44:19.020 at like four years old with like a black eye and apparently you're not allowed to do that on tinder

00:44:23.660 so so um wait what it was just as a joke it was literally just as a joke because she tried getting

00:44:31.180 tinder as a joke like in junior year sophomore year like that way that way that way more more more

00:44:39.660 nope no no no like scooted so it's basically yeah yeah there you go okay straighten it there we go all

00:44:45.420 right but then we both tried using the same tinder account and we got banned so good times yeah

00:44:52.780 all right we're going to continue with the relationship status uh juice what about you

00:44:56.540 well i'm single right now i've had like two relationships and like several situationships

00:45:03.580 i've been single for i think like for two years now and yeah like i have no situationship or nothing

00:45:11.980 going on right now yeah that's about it okay so you said you've been single for two years was it

00:45:20.460 two years yeah two years and then what was your longest relationship sorry uh that one for two years

00:45:25.900 too two years okay got it priya what about you um i am in a relationship it's been about roughly a month okay

00:45:35.820 uh longest longest longest relationship was about five months five months okay cool got it all right

00:45:43.980 uh let me just see if we have any no i don't think we have any chats so there was a couple things here

00:45:48.780 that i wrote down i want to just go over um i know some of you are fairly new to the area um those of you

00:45:55.340 who maybe have a bit more experience with this and maybe some of those of you who are new you've already

00:45:59.500 encountered uh so here in santa barbara gentlemen there's santa barbara city college and ucsb sb cc is

00:46:07.820 a two-year uh junior college ucsb is four-year university right um do you notice a difference between

00:46:16.140 guys that go to santa barbara city college versus ucsb is one cohort hotter is one stupider

00:46:26.060 what what's your take there are guys from the community college that pretend to go to ucsb that

00:46:34.540 has happened to me i've had a guy fully basically make up his identity to be a ucsb student i met him

00:46:44.380 at ucsb we hung out only on ucsb's campus and after a while of hanging out he told me he actually didn't go

00:46:53.580 there oh yeah if you're gonna lie you kind of just gotta keep it yeah you can't just change it

00:47:02.220 no i got that i have to tell you something tech so i was like oh what is this and that was not what i

00:47:08.940 was expecting but okay did you stop seeing him after that yes i did because he had no classes at my

00:47:16.700 school or anything well here's the real question had he just been up front and told you that he went to

00:47:21.580 sbcc would that have been a disqualifying thing where you wouldn't have wanted to date him

00:47:27.900 i wasn't actually interested in him at all so his school status was irrelevant he was just like

00:47:35.500 a guy i met at a campus event and we started being friends because we would go to the campus events

00:47:41.340 together but he didn't attend the school so i don't know why he was there um wait so so i was

00:47:49.340 interested in him as a school friend did he ever did he tell you that he went to ucsb yes he was

00:47:56.780 wearing the merch he told me where he lived on the university housing yeah what if he didn't even go

00:48:02.940 to cc and he actually was like 27 pretending to be a student um wait so he but what was the context in

00:48:12.540 which you guys first met we met at a ucsb event on the first week of school it was a party or it was

00:48:21.020 like a tour of the campus this motherfucker went on a tour it was not only that but with the merch

00:48:29.020 yes and you had to what was his name what was his name yeah don't say sam anything for the girls

00:48:38.380 his name was kika wants to out him some other thing happened to my friends out here like there was a

00:48:44.060 guy that was like always around and said he went to ucsb but like turned out he was really like yeah

00:48:48.380 like 27 28 and like and then you you had to be use your school account to register and everything so

00:48:55.980 i was not sussed out at all i fully was like yes he goes to ucsb and then there was like secret

00:49:03.660 little lies that i thought back to like i was like oh let me see your schedule and he's like oh

00:49:08.620 actually my phone is dying um like he would say all these random things and i'm like okay

00:49:17.340 that's just crazy okay so um but so when he first started talking to you was it

00:49:22.620 was it was it seemed like the undertones were romantic or was he just pursuing a friendship

00:49:31.020 guys i i just don't read into guys intentions because i never take them seriously i knew that

00:49:37.820 i was only pursuing a friendship with him so i kept it at a friendship level what he was thinking

00:49:43.900 i have no idea well how does the first interaction go is it like i introduced myself at the campus event

00:49:49.580 oh you approached him well we like introduced ourselves and there was only a small amount of

00:49:56.060 us there so we just automatically started talking because we were all at the same event and then

00:50:03.180 um he asked what i was doing afterwards and i said oh i'm going to this other campus event and he said oh

00:50:09.900 no way me too let's go together and i was like okay and then whoa holy shit i stood a little bit there

00:50:17.260 my bad go ahead continue that was how we met and then the next day he's like oh what event are you

00:50:25.020 going to today i'm like oh this one he's like me too you were secretly inviting him the whole time

00:50:30.540 i'm like telling him the school's itinerary basically and he's like tagging along and i'm

00:50:35.900 thinking nothing okay so this but this entire time does it does it occur to you that he is like

00:50:41.580 interested in you beyond just friendship like newsflash honestly if a guy's talking to you like

00:50:47.660 there's a 99 chance that he's interested in you okay i believe in boy and girl friendships

00:50:55.980 well that's kind of brings me to where i was going do you think men and women can be friends

00:51:00.860 friends it depends for sure yes yeah i think women wants to be friends with men but i don't

00:51:06.300 think men want to be friends with women that much like yeah i think that on my experience

00:51:13.180 i i think women can be look and obviously there's exceptions um but i do think generally speaking

00:51:21.420 women can be friends with men but i don't think men can be friends with women

00:51:25.660 well you know those like tiktoks people make about like that one friend group from high

00:51:29.340 school that kind of all got with each other yeah unfortunately that was probably mine but it was

00:51:34.780 like there was like some guys that like it was i've known since like birth almost like our parents

00:51:39.580 were best friends so like him like in particular like is like brother so if they're like as close

00:51:45.500 to you as like you grew up to them their family friends like brother i feel like that is like the

00:51:49.900 instance where like friends yes because i don't think i've ever liked this guy or he's never liked me

00:51:55.420 so and i'm pretty much positive about that but like other than that like my friend group was pretty

00:52:01.740 intertwined everyone got with each other that was mine too who just show of hands who who here at

00:52:08.460 this table currently has a male friend that is single

00:52:13.740 okay yes yes um do you have his number yes yes do you have your cell phones on you yeah let's do let's

00:52:25.100 do this experiment here so are they really your friends who knows here's how we find out assuming

00:52:32.060 they don't know you're on they're watching the show right now why don't you send them a little text

00:52:36.860 maybe like a winky face what you doing tonight come over netflix and chill

00:52:41.740 let's see if they're really friends right because i mean my whole thing is is here's here's what i

00:52:48.060 think right if the guy if given the opportunity would sleep with you that's not really a friend

00:52:55.260 i think now i know some of you are is everyone's single pretty much i'm in a relationship and all my

00:53:02.940 guy friends like on like they respect my relationship and then all my boyfriend's

00:53:08.060 girlfriends respect you think that so okay who's texting here let's get some texts thrown out

00:53:14.300 think of some male friends they have to be single though because obviously if they're in a relationship

00:53:17.580 that's a bigger ask although it's it does occur to me that even if they are in a relationship they

00:53:22.140 might be inclined to have sex with you if given the opportunity what are we texting them like what

00:53:26.860 if they're from your hometown let's devise let us devise the perfect message so it can't be too

00:53:31.980 ambiguous because it needs to be somewhat clear that you're romantically or otherwise interested so

00:53:38.540 brainstorm session prea any thoughts what's the message hi all right can't be too direct

00:53:47.900 yeah because because are they here are they not here no well they're on hometown yeah

00:53:53.660 just and then if they but if i say want to hang out then obviously they're going to say yes because

00:53:57.980 they're my friend you could well not yeah it's got to be more than just a platonic hangout it's got

00:54:03.180 to be not what let's ask the chat nick let's pull up the chat chat what is the perfect message that

00:54:15.580 these girls can send to one of their male friends to attempt to solicit to see if they are dtf what is

00:54:23.820 the message like hey i've really liked or i've liked you for a really long time i'm coming to

00:54:28.620 visit x like x date can we can we see then i don't think i can do that because they'll be really hurt

00:54:35.900 because i think just sabotage your relationship there's there's plenty of people you know what

00:54:40.300 is it seven billion eight billion people eight billion yeah you can make more friends it's good

00:54:43.900 um i think yeah don't joke be direct i would just say something

00:54:53.820 not gonna lie you guys have no game i had a dream last night want to hook up

00:55:00.300 um maybe you could be like just what if it's kind of almost coming from a confession angle like hey

00:55:07.020 listen i just wanted to let you know i've had a crush that's what i just said

00:55:14.060 do you feel the same let's maybe when we're to get in town together again we can

00:55:23.100 kill me do it wait did you send one out did you send one out i can send one i just saw all of my

00:55:28.220 guys like three days ago though like if i randomly just sent this message yeah okay i really miss

00:55:34.140 this person is the last person i saw before i lied since the last time i saw you like just do it

00:55:41.180 i have two really close guy friends neither of them would buy it because well i mean one of them

00:55:46.300 i've known so just do it make your dreams come true listen to shia labeouf guys just do it he's

00:55:53.740 passionate about this i mean one of them one of them's gay so that really just would not work

00:55:58.780 so you think he's gay no i come visit and stay with me i miss you is that good or do i hey come

00:56:05.820 visit okay okay hey come visit and stay with me i miss you or should it be more forward that's pretty

00:56:13.340 forward that's forward

00:56:17.820 how close was your friendship though pretty close i mean he was the last person i saw before i left

00:56:24.220 come visit but you said stay with me something like that but i said stay you said you have two

00:56:29.420 friends and they won't okay one of them one of them is gay so he's yeah yeah although he's weird so

00:56:35.020 who knows um um and then the other one just wouldn't buy it like let's try let's try never say never

00:56:43.180 he won't buy it we can try yeah just be like what's up dta question mark

00:56:46.700 that's not good okay send it out i can you send one out you got something for us what's up

00:56:53.340 oh okay yeah you guys don't feel like hey i've been thinking lately kiko well you got a boyfriend

00:56:59.580 so yeah i appreciate that are you sent you got one out did you get one out yeah i did you did i got

00:57:06.220 one out are you sending it to someone who has never expressed interest to you because most of my

00:57:12.940 guy friends they started by expressing interest i turned them down so it became a friendship see

00:57:20.380 that's another reason why they're not actually your friends because your friends own them and then

00:57:24.540 they're just waiting they're waiting okay maybe if i go to the gym it's a long game

00:57:29.660 okay the long game i don't know if if it started out romantic it's okay so you don't once your

00:57:36.460 friends don't you don't think that they can move past romantic feelings they're the it'll always be

00:57:42.860 there like if you at some point in the future give them an opportunity and they're single like

00:57:48.940 see but they're not gonna like oh hold on i really value our friendship i know i agree i agree with

00:57:55.420 that but i don't think it necessarily is always a romantic thing i think that all of my

00:57:59.420 guy friends whether they're in a relationship or single have like a curiosity to potentially yeah

00:58:05.580 either hook up or see me naked but i don't think it necessarily is like i want to date that person

00:58:10.860 type of urge from from the men from the men yeah so they hook up with you but they wouldn't

00:58:16.460 yeah i don't necessarily think that they believe that they they are like in love with

00:58:22.620 me or something of that sort let's see what this is well no i'm not saying they're in love yeah

00:58:26.620 but you're saying from like a romantic dating standpoint romantic sexual yeah sexual yeah

00:58:34.380 i got an answer what what's the answer so i i said if i was like hey i miss you come visit

00:58:39.180 i don't know if that was forward enough but like he was like miss you too when am i supposed to go

00:58:44.140 but like we've been friends since we were like five so i don't i don't think it's romantic like in the

00:58:49.500 slightest but who knows uh here let's be a bit more direct say something along the lines of

00:58:57.580 i have a twin bed but it'll be a tight squeeze

00:59:03.260 say something along the lines of

00:59:06.540 hmm what's like there's there's a moment where sometimes somebody will have this

00:59:10.860 they'll reveal that they they like you maybe you could say i don't know i had to work up the

00:59:19.260 courage to say this but i've i started having feelings for you do you feel the same or you can do the

00:59:28.540 classic man line uh hey can i ask you something

00:59:31.980 wait that's the man line that's the woman line no when they're about to confess their feelings for

00:59:39.900 you that you've they've been a friend for a while hey can i tell you something yeah can i ask you a

00:59:45.180 question it always starts with that and it always ends the exact same awkward yeah um so send him say

00:59:53.660 say um i've had feelings for you do you feel the problem is he's known every every guy i've liked

01:00:04.220 in the past year well let's just see fuck it let's just see any any responses from you guys over here

01:00:10.620 no no okay we'll check back in on that i did get a response oh she's oh i just got a response

01:00:15.900 he just said wtf what do you mean yeah what did you send oh i just said wanna hang tonight but like

01:00:24.940 i've never hung out with him just him by himself wtf what do you mean yeah maybe do like what do you

01:00:31.340 guys think about this she just sends back a winky face that's it do it do it do it do it do it that's

01:00:37.420 decent right yeah just a winky face yeah he'll definitely get the hit he's gonna hate me yeah let's

01:00:44.220 see how that goes okay you heard i got a response but it's also i know his mom really well like okay

01:00:51.100 so like not in like a weird way but his mom really likes me so she said only if we sleep in

01:00:56.140 he said only if we sleep in different beds because my mom said so

01:01:01.820 it sounds like he's trying to already dispute whatever you're gonna say so

01:01:05.820 say it sucks only have one yeah yeah yeah that's perfect that's perfect

01:01:10.620 what was your first message that you sent to him hey come visit and stay with me i miss you

01:01:18.060 is this the guy that you said is like your brother no okay no i've had a guy literally

01:01:23.340 i had a winky face i had a winky face throw it in there

01:01:29.180 i'm in the process of typing like the week the days i'm free and then i was gonna send like oh the the

01:01:34.220 room is like empty but he just asked if he was able to bring a friend so say um i was actually i

01:01:41.500 was hoping it would be just you just it would just be the two of us room i think the empty room is good

01:01:47.660 although some dudes that might just go whoosh right over their heads so you might he's kind

01:01:52.700 of an airhead so just say just say i was hoping it would just be the two of us together in this

01:02:01.660 in my dorm room bunk bed i got a second response let's hear it um he said what the hell

01:02:12.700 does he know that you're a dancer what yeah he knows i'm a dancer

01:02:17.180 i don't know she's flexible or something i don't know okay she's a christian she's waiting

01:02:23.580 till marriage she's hedging her bets i guess this is like a marriage pitch what is going on it's a

01:02:31.420 pitch hey you want to get married wait question so can you be the adam to my eve

01:02:41.660 you're waiting for marriage is anybody else waiting for marriage you already asked that

01:02:45.180 no i forgot who said not sure wait so are you a virgin yes i am oh cool

01:02:51.900 anybody else here anybody it's okay look i'm not a virgin again

01:03:00.300 i have a body count of one

01:03:07.580 madison over here she

01:03:11.420 be nice to maddie no i'm sorry just

01:03:13.580 madison why don't you reveal so they're more comfortable actually talking about this i'm not

01:03:17.100 a virgin what i'm definitely not a body count

01:03:21.900 my body count is eight boom there you there you have it folks all right it's uh so it's

01:03:28.060 anybody anyone want to share their body count well we can't we don't have to get into that but

01:03:34.380 we're gonna circle back virgin virgin anybody i'm gonna loosen that body count for sure virgin yeah okay

01:03:39.420 cool well we're really ah you still could be no i'm not no there's no judgment no judgment here

01:03:47.980 okay so we got three wait where where was i going with this oh question for you guys do you believe

01:03:54.140 in premarital cuddling is that allowed yeah premarital cuddle yeah cuddles allowed okay what's that thing the

01:04:03.500 soaking thing have you heard of that my friend goes to byu so so that maybe so you have stories

01:04:12.300 i've heard from like some angry mormons have dm'd me and said it's actually a myth

01:04:17.900 where's it where's the haram button brian wait what do you mean haram thank you but

01:04:23.260 maybe you could say premarital cuddling oh hold on just a second oh it's mike davis donated one

01:04:30.220 hundred dollars subpar panel tonight sounds like the locker hall at an all girls school bs no

01:04:38.060 substance nonsense conversations taking society backwards and how does glasses think she has the

01:04:44.620 right to a d1 athlete a plumber more like it maybe a barber on a good day plumber barber what are your

01:04:51.420 thoughts no i think i'll stick to the athletes mike davis with the roasts that's so backwards too

01:04:58.220 you're the only thing that's backwards because like oh yeah d1 football player yeah okay maybe

01:05:02.380 you can go to the league but the odds are very small and if she was with a plumber or someone

01:05:06.300 else at least you would have money instead of just a stipend check so i don't know if that was really a

01:05:12.140 roast there you have it there you have it um any responses from anybody i mean like he he's not he

01:05:19.820 it's going right over his head so apparently we're all hanging out as a group in like two weeks so

01:05:23.740 he's he's got some plans now here he doesn't buy it come back on in three weeks and let us know what

01:05:29.100 happened can you say oh god just like an eggplant emoji or something can you like how's he gonna get

01:05:38.620 it through his millennial thing i got updated i have updated texts what's what's this okay so i said

01:05:44.940 sucks only have one with a winky face he said get out of here nerd and i said i'm serious no but like

01:05:49.740 for real he said i'll come up oh is that is that definitive it might be definitive that could be

01:05:59.260 is he friends with your boyfriend oh he's still typing no she doesn't have a boyfriend oh he said

01:06:03.260 but only if mav can come too which is his friend but it's honestly yeah one time i i i two man

01:06:12.620 really but yeah um but one time it was like his birthday so he went out to like red robin or something

01:06:20.940 and he got me roses but it was not it's but no but the thing was is he got mad because i got with a

01:06:28.060 guy at a party like a few days later and then he kind of got really mad at me so it's kind of like

01:06:32.700 he likes you oh yeah he does like me for sure yeah okay she's like i know any any updates did you

01:06:40.300 send a text out i did send no response though anything i haven't sent something back oh what did

01:06:45.340 he say again what the hell is he a christian too when he's a marriage he's a communist that's what

01:06:57.180 yeah i'm we'll have to fix that after the show i don't know how to fix it but um

01:07:01.660 i don't know why it does that what's uh do you remember oh see now it's now it's

01:07:07.500 i don't know uh how's the focus look is it okay okay um he's a communist i have no clue he's just

01:07:15.420 really random i don't know much about him aren't you like conservative though yeah i don't like we

01:07:20.380 we don't really like i don't like him like that like we're just we're just friends completely

01:07:25.820 friends okay you're friends with a communist how do you know he's a communist did he say

01:07:30.220 does he wear like a shea guevara fucking t-shirt all day

01:07:34.540 i don't know i think he might be a troll but like i can't tell with him he just he he is straight right

01:07:41.180 i think so i'm pretty sure yeah i mean i can't except that one time he did have a girlfriend

01:07:49.420 during um like lockdown era from new zealand and she kind of like broke his heart so he might have

01:07:55.340 turned communist he had a girlfriend in another country yeah that's the first red flag we might

01:08:01.020 we think he might have been catfished how about cuddle question mark winky face okay cuddle question

01:08:08.060 mark winky face okay he's an airhead but like he's not buying it like i'm i'm trying he's not giving

01:08:16.860 me anything he's just he's confused word okay all right um let me see where we left off here i think

01:08:24.540 we got everybody's relationship status so let's see um was it you that said things are not going well

01:08:32.380 okay is that you yeah yeah oh yeah it is it's so weird okay i don't know what's going on with the

01:08:38.460 colors on the camera but um and not a fan of how guys act that would be me oh that was you yeah how

01:08:47.660 do guys act very bad they the thing about dating culture in general now i feel like doesn't align with

01:08:58.380 my expectations which is why i avoid it what are your expectations i'm a little bit traditional

01:09:06.540 like i expect guys to ask me out on a proper date and i don't like seeing multiple people at the same

01:09:14.860 time um i need them to be like directly express interest in me with their words and their actions

01:09:24.460 and i feel like nowadays or around here i don't really know what's going on maybe just what i've

01:09:30.780 encountered they like to

01:09:36.700 like talk to multiple people at once not take anyone seriously and that's just not what i'm looking for

01:09:44.940 i gotta be honest your standards sound like the bare minimum

01:09:47.420 yeah not being met well are you you said they you want them to not be talking to a whole bunch

01:09:55.340 of other girls right are you talking to other guys though like do you have a roster anybody here have

01:10:00.860 a roster absolutely not or had a roster at one point come on let's be honest here so you guys some of

01:10:04.940 you have had a roster kiko looking at you come on what do we consider a roster i'm in the longest

01:10:11.020 relationship no no not currently but come on kiko you got game i know you're a player i know you got

01:10:17.180 game kiko okay i you're running circles around the dudes at ucsb all the frat boys don't look don't

01:10:24.860 don't get me started about uh five sick okay let's a gap okay do i look like the type of person who

01:10:31.580 would date a frat guy actually kind of yes you kind of do no she doesn't i don't think so i could see

01:10:39.580 you at the frat party i could well party but hold on mike davis donated 100 kiko don't speak unless

01:10:48.700 spoken to you were doing pretty good until now doc must have upped your xanax you and classes should

01:10:55.420 be friends maybe share your nose job search oh yeah tonight's pact should make a podcast and call

01:11:01.340 themselves the may squad does anybody have a response to mr mike davis he's the resident roaster

01:11:07.580 he likes to roast don't speak unless spoken to maybe you should take that advice you could save

01:11:13.820 some money um and i my nose i was born with my nose and i don't even remember the other things you said

01:11:20.860 because it was such like lacking substance what's wrong with your nose it looks fine he's implying

01:11:25.980 that i got a nose job this is my natural nose yeah well if you want to donate a hundred dollars you can

01:11:31.500 donate to my nose job too if you want to complain okay where were we what we were talking about

01:11:41.340 what if anyone's had a roster oh roster come on okay well what do we consider a roster

01:11:47.740 i would say a roster is when you are talking to or dating or sleeping with more than two people

01:11:54.780 so you got like three guys in rotation i'm surprised you even said two people you think

01:12:01.100 that's too not enough to no i was i was expecting you to say more than one person well

01:12:09.900 when i think roster i think at least sure three yeah two disavow i disavow it but okay i'm glad we

01:12:19.260 could clarify three it's still not desirable for somebody to have be at least in my view at least

01:12:25.020 in terms of someone i'd want to pursue for them to be talking to uh multiple people but when i think

01:12:30.700 roster i do think a bit more so okay i'm glad we could clarify thank you yes of course certainly my dear

01:12:37.340 oh my god so rosters anyone any rosters nope okay that's not fun come on come on marl bro no no wait do you

01:12:51.740 do anybody here date women i have only dated one woman and it's the first time i've been dumped that's

01:13:01.340 all i have to say about that why'd she dump you great question i don't know it's just out of the blue

01:13:06.940 she pulled a move on me that i do which is the fizzle out she did that exact same thing she did the

01:13:11.740 fizzle she did the fizzle it was weird to be on the receiving end i'm not gonna lie wow it was a

01:13:18.220 you got a taste of your own i know i deserved it you deserved it okay kiko you as far as my

01:13:25.020 understanding you also have a inclination towards the ladies yeah but i mean i haven't dated a girl

01:13:32.860 since high school and i'm 23 now so i don't really well dated but what about

01:13:43.020 am i gonna do it i don't know slept with women

01:13:48.220 have you you know what i mean you've never done that

01:13:50.620 look at the voice crack over there when a woman and a woman love each other very much

01:14:00.220 have you but you hooked up like in college right you'd have hookups with the ladies

01:14:05.340 i've had previous experiences i've had previous experiences i'm just okay all right anybody here

01:14:11.820 ever took you know seen a pretty lady and thought i'd like her to

01:14:19.420 i've hang out with i've slept i've slept with women but um i don't think i'm into women

01:14:25.820 i realize that i'm not into women what was the moment that you realized that you weren't into women

01:14:32.220 like the specific moment was it was it in the moment well not specifically the moment i i guess i was

01:14:40.620 just you know having fun i thought i was really conservative until i came here and i think i'm

01:14:47.180 not you know you all yeah oh can you hear me yeah yeah we know it's good it's good okay all right

01:14:55.500 so you're uh you're a waitress correct yeah i'm a waitress is waitress is that like offensive now

01:15:02.460 call someone a waitress no no i went to college it definitely shouldn't be it shouldn't be

01:15:07.340 like i don't know it's like server's just easier what was the thing with uh like stewardess

01:15:12.940 but now it's flight attendant do people still not say stewardess it's been it's been that's just

01:15:21.020 that's just grasping that's strong yeah but i think you i think you could refer to it as either and no

01:15:25.980 one would really i think i have seen the video before of like a lady being like all pissy because

01:15:31.020 someone referred to her yeah but i mean okay all right show of hands who here is happy with their

01:15:37.740 dating life i don't really even have one yeah i guess i like the attention of men but like the

01:15:47.100 attention of men yeah but i'm not dating yeah okay are you doing a bicep flex i was trying to

01:16:00.940 okay wait where did we leave off where i don't know where the roster okay nobody's had a roster i

01:16:07.580 feel like that's a lie yeah i think every every woman has a roster no actually no no i just feel like

01:16:13.900 based on your stories someone someone has yeah i kind of agree with that i'm not gonna lie based

01:16:19.820 on whose stories the ones about past dating experiences yeah you're talking about me no no

01:16:28.540 brian we know you have a roster

01:16:33.660 i'd believe it

01:16:38.300 silence

01:16:38.780 let me see here hold on i got we're gonna react to a video i think actually you know what i think

01:16:46.140 this is a good conversation for this table because uh well ucsb party school um oh no actually okay we're

01:16:52.860 saying not a fan of how guys act so you're saying well here i'm traditional in all these ways i want a

01:16:58.700 guy to i don't want a guy at least this is what i understood um i feel like a lot of men in college

01:17:04.060 probably want to just be like come over let's hook up yeah they don't want to do sort of the

01:17:08.940 and i think but that is kind of how i think especially in college a lot of people maneuver

01:17:13.900 it's not like let's go to a dinner date it's what you're doing later maybe it's even a social circle

01:17:20.220 you're hanging out with a friend group let's go party together um come over but it's never like

01:17:25.980 here let me actually plan a date let's meet up get some food anything like that yeah the commitment

01:17:33.020 and effort is severely lacking also it's i feel like a big part of it is that there's so many

01:17:40.380 girls at the school and a lot of girls are also into hookup culture so i'm not um and i realized that

01:17:50.780 a guy who would prefer that it'd be much easier for them to just go for one of the girls who

01:17:57.500 do accept that behavior than to try for me when i'm not giving in as easily those aren't the guys

01:18:07.340 you want anyways though so they're kind of just i mean i think you're certainly spot on because

01:18:11.500 absolutely is because you're kind of put in the situation where if the standard that other that

01:18:17.100 men have to meet is a lower threshold a lower bar than what your standards are than what your

01:18:22.940 expectations are then they're like they're like oh well i can go hook up with becky yeah and i don't

01:18:30.380 have to put in the work and we can just hook up quick she'll hook up with me on the first like

01:18:35.500 yeah immediately if all girls raise their standards a little bit it will force the guys to have to

01:18:41.580 change the way they act over changing which girl they pursue yeah advice for girls that is

01:18:49.340 so it's true exactly it's true so i guess what what what should women do then what what do the

01:18:56.940 women raise their standards yes close their legs you deserve it yeah do you have a response to her

01:19:05.100 not not that specifically i do disagree but i don't really want to get into that i want to respond

01:19:09.420 you you can get into it no we should i'll get into it but i want to respond to that first um i just

01:19:15.100 wanted to ask more like question clarification when you say women should raise your their standards

01:19:20.460 i agree about that but do you think that it means if women are participating in hooking hooking up

01:19:28.540 culture at all that means they immediately have low standards or can you still like participate in

01:19:34.780 this hooking up culture that we have in ucsb and have higher standards for your hookups i think girls

01:19:41.100 can participate if they would like that but from experience and talking to a lot of girls like

01:19:47.580 my friends are around here they don't actually like how it goes that's just all that they're being

01:19:55.020 offered so they accept that and i think if they stick to like their requirements that they

01:20:03.420 would actually feel good about receiving from men um that would like help dating in general yeah yeah

01:20:15.580 that's fair i agree with that what was you wanted to go to war with well close your close your legs

01:20:21.420 like i'm i know that some of us at this table have like are not virgins we've had sex before

01:20:27.980 like what when you say close your legs like what are you referring to specifically do not partake in

01:20:34.220 hookup culture okay um i personally don't judge people who partake in hookup culture i don't really

01:20:41.260 have time for it so i don't really care to but like live your life we're in college we're young

01:20:46.780 have your fun this is literally the time you're single clearly the guys here don't really care for

01:20:52.780 these good long-term relationships at least i haven't found one that's interested in that and

01:20:58.620 if you want to fulfill yourself in a certain way and maybe you are lowering your standards but

01:21:04.940 i think trying to get fulfillment for yourself isn't like this thing that should be shamed really

01:21:10.300 i'm not trying to shame anybody personally but like to what she was saying how men are not going to

01:21:17.500 give her the time of day because she has standards for what she wants out of a romantic or sexual

01:21:23.100 relationship and if the next girl is about to give it up with no requirements whatsoever they're

01:21:29.580 always going to go for the second for the second girl men want sex they want sex the relationship

01:21:35.740 comes after that's like their innate primal desire is sex and if you're going to give that to them

01:21:40.540 they're gonna they're gonna like want to work but there's not men now who don't partake in hookup

01:21:46.220 culture so it's like if that's not your thing then go find those men because it's like yeah

01:21:49.900 if we as a woman try to like lower um how we like hookup culture whatever it still is never going

01:21:56.540 to be a hundred percent so those men who want to find those easy women will still always be able to

01:22:01.980 find that second option so it's like instead like just find someone who wouldn't partake in hookup

01:22:08.540 culture anyways because if they if they are going to sleep with anyone given the option just if you

01:22:13.500 lower that option for them they're still going to find a way to do it if but if you significantly

01:22:17.820 lower the amount that are in that pool that will like partake in the women that will partake in hook

01:22:22.780 hookup culture you're going to make it significantly more difficult for those men to find women to

01:22:27.340 partake in it with them so they're going to have to yeah because i'm saying though like realistically

01:22:32.620 though it'll never be a hundred percent will never even be probably over eighty percent so it's like

01:22:38.220 instead i don't think anyone should lower their standards like early when you're talking about like oh

01:22:41.340 i keep getting disappointed from men i'm gonna lower my standards no don't do that keep making

01:22:44.780 your standards higher because there is going to be a man out there that fits those standards

01:22:48.940 but don't try to if we all as women like try to yeah like let's lower the standards like i do think

01:22:54.140 that they're i do see why people say that because i don't like how it's going where like spreading your

01:22:59.740 legs is seen as a empowerment move i don't like that and i see how that's like combating it but if you're

01:23:05.500 a woman who likes hookup culture be a part of that hookup culture and go for the you know spew of men

01:23:11.020 who do too but yeah i don't think that you are empowering yourself by hooking yeah absolutely

01:23:14.540 i mean i see that point yeah we all have free bodily autonomy we can do pretty much whatever

01:23:18.540 we want it's a free country but at the same time i don't think it's something to glorify or to

01:23:24.220 encourage and like she was saying how her friends that want to have high standards but then give in

01:23:29.260 to the pressure because they can't find men that want like serious relationships i think that's also a

01:23:34.780 the product of of that i i don't disagree but i think that since ucsb is known as a party school

01:23:42.700 don't you think it brings those type of men that are specifically looking for hookup and party culture

01:23:48.460 as opposed to relationships so it's kind of hard to say that this applies everywhere that all men are

01:23:54.700 wanting to engage in hookup culture and because women are also engaging in hookup culture you're like

01:24:00.860 taking away like these possibly good men who might settle down in a relationship i think it's hard to

01:24:07.100 say that here in uc santa barbara because the guys came here for that so it's like we've got this

01:24:12.380 environment of where most of the guys here are participating in hookup culture and the women

01:24:18.620 also came here to party so we're also partaking in it like so it's kind of hard to generalize based on

01:24:25.180 our area really and that's kind of i feel like some other girls that do go to ucsb might want to

01:24:31.020 rebuttal that i mean i don't so i can't speak on it but it seems like a few of you don't really want

01:24:35.340 to partake in partying these girls have only been here for three days yeah from my experience here

01:24:40.300 though it is true like a lot of majority even like i didn't know it was a party school when i first came

01:24:44.780 here but like a lot of my friends who i met when i came here were like yeah like i heard about

01:24:49.180 everything that i saw online and like i knew it was going to be some party i knew it was going to be

01:24:53.660 easy access to certain things so i would say and like compared to a lot of four-year institutions

01:25:01.100 there is an influx of men like that here sure no i know plenty of people that go to party schools for

01:25:07.260 that like for that reason i mean i feel like ucsb is definitely like more commonly known for hookup

01:25:13.180 culture and for partying so i feel like you kind of know what you're getting yourself into coming here

01:25:17.660 as like everyone that i've talked to and i've known that's kind of like the common sense like

01:25:22.060 ucsb is known for that so i feel like definitely if you're looking for like your husband i mean maybe

01:25:27.420 when you're like older like i'm only a first year so if you're like a third or fourth year they're

01:25:31.100 probably matured by then and you'll probably find like that guy but i feel like first year trying

01:25:35.660 to find like the guy you're gonna get married to or like serious relationship is not the best

01:25:40.780 to come here if you're trying to do that right off the bat i'll say your odds are low it happens

01:25:45.100 it happens but there's just also so much in play when you're first moving here like in a new area

01:25:50.380 there's so much going on and um even like the i seen i had a lot of friends who were on their third

01:25:56.140 fourth year had met someone freshman year started dating lasted all those years and then they still

01:26:00.860 like each other but they just broke up because they realized they had spent four years of college

01:26:04.140 in a relationship and hadn't done anything so it's like i would wait there's you have the rest of

01:26:09.500 your life to be in a relationship yeah like you don't need to sure and i'm not saying that especially

01:26:14.700 like freshmen juniors sophomores there's no reason to jump into a relationship if you don't feel like

01:26:20.060 you are mentally and like a maturity level i would say you're slipped off your feet yeah yeah exactly

01:26:26.540 single yeah but i don't think it's a good thing to encourage young women to partake in hookup culture

01:26:33.020 because you are not adding value to yourself whatsoever i mean again like you have free bodily autonomy

01:26:37.980 you can do whatever you please but i don't think there's going to be any value added to your life

01:26:42.700 by partaking in hookup culture i agree i came to ucsb for the education and i was aware of the lifestyle

01:26:51.020 that most people engage in and i knew that i didn't like that so i just chose not to engage and then back

01:26:59.420 to the point about shaming girls for trying to find fulfillment um in hookups i'm i don't think a lot

01:27:11.500 of girls who do engage in hookup culture are truly fulfilled by it i think they just want to like

01:27:22.540 have a relationship with guys and that's what the guys are offering so they just go with it but

01:27:28.940 truly or at least i personally have not met a girl who has been happy with their exactly like

01:27:37.100 situationship hookup

01:27:40.780 guy without commitment or respect or effort i relate to that for sure personally but there's like

01:27:48.940 why do men have sex right to have sex because they want to have sex i do agree with most women

01:27:54.940 it is different we do want a more um platon like it has to be more attached to it but there is woman

01:28:01.740 out there i think the woman who were starting the empowerment of spreading your legs movement

01:28:05.900 some of them have the wrong state is that the

01:28:07.580 some of them might have had the wrong intention with it but i don't think majority of them were

01:28:18.380 trying to tell women like hey do this and you'll feel so much better about your life i think they

01:28:22.940 were trying to say at first yeah men like to have sex to have sex right and there's women who like to

01:28:27.740 have sex to have sex and they were just trying to say hey there we exist too don't shame us but i don't

01:28:33.900 think that message should have been everyone if you do you know have sex to get this hole filled

01:28:38.540 in your heart because that's yeah that's not going to work so if you're trying to do that that's not

01:28:41.420 going to work but yeah don't forget that there's women out there who just like to have sex too with

01:28:46.300 nothing attached to it yeah that's true but then they become less attractive to men but i don't think

01:28:51.100 those women care what how attractive that's fine that's fine but if and also it's just the damage

01:28:56.780 that you're going to be doing to yourself too that's the thing though would you say that to a

01:29:00.860 man who sleeps around a lot no so i would yeah to a lesser degree i don't think men should be

01:29:06.220 super promiscuous either i i don't think there's some differences for everyone but we are inside

01:29:11.100 everyone's brains so we can't tell how sexual advances and intimacy affects them some people

01:29:16.860 can experience something like that and not feel anything i'm not that type of person i'm not saying

01:29:21.020 but i'm but from like what hearing people and how they move that some people just are sure there's

01:29:26.780 always you don't have any psychic scars kiko from your bartending days are you still bartending i'm

01:29:32.780 not oh you quit okay all right wait let's do a little experiment because this camera's all

01:29:39.340 fucked up i think i've perhaps kiko can i have you lean all the way back so you're out of frame totally

01:29:46.780 even more yep yo check out that double chin right there oh no no but actually this this camera this

01:29:53.660 angle here is going see it's uh it's fixed now and then it's gonna go back to like this blue tint i

01:29:59.900 don't know what is causing that i was just gonna say is it really no no trust me you notice it you

01:30:06.300 notice it i noticed it but i'm not trying to be all blue tinted and shit over here one's in the chat if

01:30:12.380 you care two's in the chat if you don't yeah i mean maybe the chat i mean the chat doesn't care but i

01:30:17.100 care i got a text it's like the twilight song from the communists from the communists okay so um

01:30:24.940 he said this is my nickname jilly silly he said jilly's feeling silly i don't i don't think it's

01:30:32.060 i don't he's trying to turn you down um yeah nice way yeah yeah you can tell it's a joke now okay

01:30:37.900 any other friendships you can just absolutely uh

01:30:40.620 i have one well you have another one i have another one okay go ahead i've gone on a date

01:30:46.300 with this guy but like it was no no no no no no okay no no no no no no no so we we were friends

01:30:52.700 we met through a mutual friend sure and we we we've a group of four of us and so we like we're like oh

01:30:59.740 do you want to like go see a movie afterwards someone was like hey you realize you went on a

01:31:03.980 date with this guy i was like i don't think i did go on a date with him we were just hanging out and

01:31:09.100 went to a movie theater am i crazy huh hmm so

01:31:16.940 did he make a move or anything did he try no no did he pay for your ticket movie dates are really

01:31:23.100 awesome yes but i paid for his food i don't know i wouldn't do that that seems like a date i would

01:31:26.540 never that's never what pay for a guy's food i can't i'm traditional i believe that guys she

01:31:34.620 didn't think it was a date though just like i didn't think i thought it was just like a friendship

01:31:38.380 thing right so you would never pay for his food even like i'm not saying first date like in a

01:31:42.060 relationship you'll never swipe your card for i okay no i will but that a first date i thought

01:31:47.820 we were talking about a first date here i was like absolutely not yeah i was like no i would definitely

01:31:53.900 i would not personally people paying for me like first date yes but if they're constantly paying for

01:31:58.380 me i cannot do that i would feel so bad and it's like a leech like i like want to pay and like if we

01:32:03.660 switch off or have like a like a sit like a system where it's like every other or whatever i think

01:32:08.620 that is healthy than just the guy paying for the girl for everything so i love when they pay for

01:32:14.060 everything i mean if they want more than 50 50 i think the man should be paying go ahead brian more

01:32:19.820 times when it comes to like food and things like that but i every once in a while throwing them in

01:32:23.340 yeah of course i can surprise them with a little thing but overall yeah i'll pay for

01:32:27.740 definitely an officer stay seven hundred and seventy seven million seven hundred and seventy seven

01:32:33.900 thousand seven hundred and seventy seven donated one hundred dollars seven hundred and seventy seven

01:32:40.220 okay all right any math majors at the table

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01:33:39.820 slash whatever thank you guys appreciate it okay so we were talking about the friend zone did you

01:33:43.740 get someone sent a new text out right i think did you send one did you hear back i never heard back

01:33:50.380 do you have any other male friends that you can just hit up and be like i mean i do but i don't

01:33:53.740 want to ruin a relationship also a lot of them have girlfriends that are my friends so i it's even better

01:34:01.740 sorry sorry i'm just trying to sabotage everyone's life here okay um let's see we have i'm trying to

01:34:06.700 think where we left off oh we had a chat here from jbs let me pull that up oh uh body drop thank

01:34:14.380 was that 10 gifted uh subs on twitch hey thank you man jbs more women choosing not to participate

01:34:20.700 in hookup culture is not going to stop men from wanting it you all know there's men who fake

01:34:24.940 relationships all the time for sex a man has to want to commit to committed relationship on his

01:34:31.260 up to commit to a relationship on his own will oh there you go jbs good point good point

01:34:40.380 but i mean look if it became hard like if it was just there was a very small proportion of women who

01:34:44.940 were willing to engage in hookup culture then out of necessity what's that they're just gonna get

01:34:49.660 sneakier then yeah men are not no there's a lot of men who like if like you know sometimes they wrote for

01:34:56.380 some reason if they really want to hook up with that girl super bad they'll spend months leading them on

01:35:00.380 just to get that one thing so like if there's less woman that they could just go to to get that easy

01:35:05.100 hookup then they're gonna have to start start manipulating more women who just you know honestly

01:35:10.460 but is it is it now they're gonna be hidden at least now they'll throw themselves out there but

01:35:14.460 if they're like hiding now it's gonna be harder yeah now that then they're like yeah so it's like it's

01:35:19.100 a well either way realistically hookup culture is getting way worse if you think about it like now

01:35:25.180 they're starting at earlier ages yeah earlier everything it's just getting worse well when you

01:35:29.820 say so you're talking like in high school no like i have seen like little siblings get with people in

01:35:36.140 like middle school i've had girls get pregnant at my school like it's it's like where i don't know

01:35:42.220 at least where i'm from it starts out young where are you where are you from actually going up

01:35:46.380 statistically people are having kids later so it's not i'm from like southern california so

01:35:53.180 i people are having kids later but i think people are still sleeping with each other yeah yeah i i but

01:35:58.940 like the with the having the babies and stuff like it seems that way but also you have to remember

01:36:02.460 social media you have a lot more access to see a lot more things but statistically the average age that

01:36:07.740 women are having their first children is going up it's because people don't want to have yeah

01:36:11.340 no that's not necessarily like a i mean obviously you know sex is a precursor to having children but

01:36:18.140 there's a lot of like they're always out there for people to have contraception i see how it's

01:36:23.100 definitely getting worse but i just feel like a lot of people discredit what used to be going on like

01:36:28.620 little kids were always hooking up kids were always hooking up like i know girls in high school

01:36:33.020 were hooking up middle school who were hooking up like it's not anything new i just think it's becoming

01:36:38.300 more normalized as in a way it's being talked about more when did you start kika like like

01:36:44.060 sexually not until college not until college late bloomer then kind of a little bit i was pretty it

01:36:49.900 was pretty average for my school there were some girls who would but um it wasn't yeah that uncommon

01:36:56.940 but you said that um men will get like more manipulative men i don't know if i said it correctly

01:37:02.060 sorry but um don't you think maybe they're just gonna try harder and make them work more for you know even

01:37:07.740 though if they it doesn't work out for a relationship but at least they work harder

01:37:12.620 like to get you don't you think that's like a little bit more worth it then it's like yeah but

01:37:16.300 if they're working harder just to have sex with me it's still gonna have the same outcome unless if

01:37:20.460 they would have just told me that in the beginning honestly i don't think it will be worse because

01:37:23.340 then you'll get like emotionally attached and they'll manipulate you into that and then they'll

01:37:26.940 ghost you after because we're talking about men who have like this you know primal orders like to call

01:37:31.740 it to constantly hook up be sleeping around all the time and if they can't have access to that and that's

01:37:36.700 still what their mindset is even if they're putting more effort to it it's technically fake effort

01:37:42.540 because they're just doing it out of the hopes of being able to sleep with you still but at least

01:37:46.620 there's effort you know yeah i see that but i would i like it's like you're trying to just prolonging

01:37:51.500 for me personally i can see how some people like maybe she would like that if they were putting the

01:37:54.620 effort in the beginning for a little bit but it's like i'd rather just know straight up what your

01:37:57.740 intentions are and not know someone be straight up yeah because they're definitely i mean look there

01:38:03.340 definitely are men out there that they will play the slow game they'll okay cool i'll wait a month

01:38:08.860 two months three months and then they get it energy donated 99 there you have it culture is a major

01:38:16.460 l and red flag don't listen to these hoes finding yourself and exploring getting ran through is not

01:38:23.660 fulfilling no matter how you spin it ask the one in the back if she's happy with eight bodies with

01:38:29.340 it's back oh madison all right i'm very very happy do you see this ring on my hand what's this

01:38:36.780 is that your phone my phone good times i have a lovely relationship she's got a lovely relationship

01:38:42.060 frankie is good guy nice guy uh wow they're really coming for you madison never ever i didn't put it

01:38:51.740 out there you put it out there you want to say you did you did you set her up for that brian

01:38:58.540 how'd i set you up she's good she's showing uh are girls with a high body count ashamed of it

01:39:06.140 are they ashamed of it yeah i know some girls that are and some girls that aren't i i've met

01:39:11.100 girls that love to flaunt that around hey ftg thank you very very much for the uh gifted 50 memberships

01:39:17.820 thank you thank you really appreciate it cheers yeah i've known a lot of girls that think that it's

01:39:24.060 empowering and makes and it makes them look cool and they love to flaunt that number around even to

01:39:28.780 men that they're dating but men don't find that attractive at all right men men think that's a

01:39:35.980 turn off because i feel like there's an issue with people saying don't shame girls for

01:39:42.140 hooking up but girls who do have a high body count sometimes hide it themselves and i

01:39:47.740 feel like they're that kind of alludes to them being ashamed of themselves and their own actions

01:39:54.700 so i don't know if they're truly fulfilled by that if they are trying to hide it

01:40:03.580 i have a close friend that has i would call a high body count um but she she seems happy with her life

01:40:10.060 she like very much normalizes the fact that she constantly has sex like and she seems to be happy she's

01:40:16.220 recently maybe found a relationship still in early stages but like she just she's leaving it very

01:40:22.860 normal that she has how old is this girl my age 18 yeah what's her body count you said she said over

01:40:30.860 10 i don't have an exact number maybe over 15 i i can tell you the exact numbers okay at 18 okay

01:40:38.540 hey look i mean ucsb number one party school in the nation some girls will put up 30 in their first

01:40:46.300 freshman semester or is it quarter i don't know quarter they'll put up 30 in a quarter 40 50 in a

01:40:53.100 quarter first quarter then you got a second quarter then maybe you're here for summer you got a second

01:40:58.940 year third year fourth year that's like 100 200 bodies by the time you get your degree maybe you do a

01:41:05.820 fifth year because you've been fucking too much who knows it's crazy it's crazy sometimes it gets

01:41:10.380 delayed focus on your studies the party and gets ladies and gents of the uh you know what is going

01:41:16.540 on with this camera what the frick brian twilight saga gotta have the twilight i don't know what it

01:41:22.300 is it's weird it's bothering me is it the lighting in here hey nick and we'll deal with it after the

01:41:29.180 show no we've always had that though and it's never done this whatever it's fine it's fine it's fine um

01:41:34.380 okay so so i have a chat here from puffy vegas 50 youtube 9 18 22. thank you for just providing

01:41:41.660 a date i have no idea what you're talking about puffy that's not even a baby are you an american

01:41:47.980 citizen i think puffy is he actually nick well he spelled his first comment wrong like five times

01:41:57.100 he could also just be foreign or not that bright wait that's the wrong year too right it's yeah

01:42:04.380 it's 23 i was like wait it is the wrong year so okay you're in a week away yeah i got i got a

01:42:11.180 question for you guys so um and it's sort of related to your situation so you're in a complicated thing

01:42:17.100 with the guy and it's kind of an open relationship yeah uh you opened it on both your ends was that more

01:42:22.940 so you was it him was it both of you it was mutual it was definitely mutual so no you said you gave him

01:42:29.820 an ultimatum oh no i gave him ultimatum i was just like because he wanted to go see other people i

01:42:35.740 wanted to go see other people but i was like if you really want to do this then we're either going to be

01:42:40.940 like full-on long distance dating i'm going to come down you're going to come up like we're going to be

01:42:45.420 talking to each other every single day but then it just it just didn't work out and so that was the

01:42:50.540 decision that we came down to so okay i'm not trying to call you out i was like no no no and

01:42:56.540 i was just clarifying what it was okay so

01:43:02.460 this is opens up to the whole panel here so let's say you met a guy maybe it's early on and let's say

01:43:10.140 you want a relationship and he says maybe you approach him you say hey what are we i want to be

01:43:15.180 exclusive i want to be boyfriend girlfriend and he says me too however on the condition that you no

01:43:22.460 longer party anymore so you can't go to bars you can't go to clubs you can't go to

01:43:28.060 oh hold on i'll let this come in and i'll finish my question it's so quaint that you think hookup

01:43:33.180 culture is new our society is doomed i mean look there's always been people been hooking up i've

01:43:40.860 probably since i don't i don't know i mean people used to be wild with hooking up too that's like

01:43:46.380 in the 60s i guess like prostitution sexual revolution oh yeah career for women like this

01:43:51.900 is nothing new it's just discussed a lot more but now with dating apps sorry yeah well what i think

01:43:59.660 you're about to say with dating apps it's just open people have way more optionality than they

01:44:04.780 used to yeah like in the past i mean if you before dating apps before social media you had your kind

01:44:09.980 of immediate social circle and your immediate local area whereas now with dating apps and instagram

01:44:15.820 maybe some of you have had experiences with this i don't know you'll get some dude in miami some dude

01:44:21.820 in las vegas some dude in la some dude overseas who's going to slide into your dms who could match with

01:44:26.780 you on a dating app let me fly you out that you know that's not oh my god i saw some fresh and fit

01:44:32.300 clip too fresh and one of the i don't know their names one of them said that he thinks 40 percent

01:44:36.940 of university women are getting flown out i don't think it's that high i don't think it's that high

01:44:42.060 unless you're an instagram model or something like that the average girl is not getting flown out

01:44:46.940 even from a guy that she met on a dating app like that's not unless you're on 60 day fiance

01:44:51.900 remember it's called or uh have you had an offer kiko

01:44:59.660 before even coming on the show have you had fly out offers yes but who knows that they would have

01:45:05.580 ever actually gotcha bitch huh but who knows that they would have actually ever done it boy the offer

01:45:11.500 was there right oh it was more than one was it a few couple offers i've gotten like two like two

01:45:18.700 yeah so three okay three it doesn't matter never happened it still never happened that's

01:45:24.860 the whole point though well they made the offer maybe you didn't accept the offer

01:45:29.500 yeah i mean i guess i rang them around but it's like it's not it's it's not common like everyone's

01:45:33.500 trying to make it no i'm not yes are people hooking up from from tinder and stuff of course yeah it's

01:45:38.300 probably yeah but it's happening but it's not getting a fly out basis people are using tinder to

01:45:42.780 still hook up with people in their area sure absolutely absolutely but even within the localized

01:45:47.580 area i mean i'm just adding on the globalized component just to it's uh i agree with you it's not

01:45:53.020 like insanely common for let's say a more normal average girl right um although we have definitely had

01:46:00.220 women come on the show they're 19 year 19 year olds in college a thousand followers on instagram

01:46:05.740 they're not like yeah i definitely only had like a thousand followers on instagram yeah like they'll get

01:46:10.140 an offer either through a dating app or dm hey i'm in vegas let me fly you out i'm in miami let

01:46:16.620 me fly you out so um you know it happens look i'm not gonna sit here like the other guy and say oh

01:46:22.700 it's 80 percent yeah i think that's probably overinflated you sound maybe 40 of instagram models i don't

01:46:30.220 know but not yeah university students but even localized i mean back before dating apps you were maybe

01:46:36.460 potentially had one or two or three guys that were maybe courting you now with instagram and dating

01:46:43.580 apps within a day of any girl downloading a dating app you're going to have a hundred plus pending

01:46:48.940 matches they're going to message you almost instantly some men too very few men like but there's such a

01:46:54.780 discrepancy on the dating apps well and part of it is because um and i i don't want to like try to

01:46:59.980 mislead there are more on tinder there's way more men on tinder so obviously it's going to skew things

01:47:07.020 women are going to have more options because there's just more men on the on those dating apps

01:47:10.700 but it does it doesn't distract from the fact that just as a woman you can go on a dating app and have

01:47:17.980 100 matches within 24 hours and if you if you were so inclined you could have three dates every single

01:47:24.140 day of the week true but most women don't yeah i don't think well just as a from a practicality

01:47:30.380 point of view i don't think most people in general could date like to go on three dates per day per

01:47:36.700 week or every single day per week but um yeah now you got dating apps like so many options the optionality

01:47:45.180 is insane and what i would actually say is you look at the average woman's optionality it's always been

01:47:51.260 pretty substantial as compared to men the average woman's optionality basically an average woman in

01:47:58.140 today in 2023 has the equivalent sexual optionality as a celebrity so athlete musician actor they always

01:48:07.260 have no but they didn't you didn't always have that access you didn't have that degree of access i mean

01:48:13.740 the only thing is i guess the degree of access is because a celebrity is more well known so obviously

01:48:17.900 everyone knows who they are and now yes i guess with tinder and dating or the social media apps a

01:48:23.340 woman can do that but still i mean most i say most women don't even take up on those offers that they

01:48:29.100 get on social media so it's not really making a difference well here here's where it does sort of

01:48:35.420 make a difference maybe they're not taking up those offers although they might be taking up the best

01:48:40.300 offerings you're going to start like they feel their value increases yeah you're gonna like start

01:48:47.580 having an over over inflated sense of how attractive you are if like if a hundred dudes want to fuck you

01:48:54.300 you're gonna be like yo i'm fucking hot shit but guys don't get that guys will fuck anything like

01:48:58.860 that's not i don't know any woman there is some women i will say that does play into their head

01:49:03.100 sure but majority of women know that men will fuck anything so i don't find it as a compliment when a

01:49:07.580 guy says well fuck me of course you would i mean that's a guy like that's not a compliment to most

01:49:12.380 women to know that you're interested in me when i was getting most when i was getting most hit up on

01:49:17.260 social media i felt honestly truly the most insecure and ugliest so i don't think there's a direct

01:49:21.340 correlation between the two i think men like to think there is but i don't really think but but if you

01:49:26.380 were to like reverse it so if if the optionality was reversed and it was just a bunch of women

01:49:31.260 wanting to fuck fuck dudes like if if a hundred women today wanted to just fuck me

01:49:39.580 i would be like curving the shit out of all these chicks right

01:49:47.100 yes because you have a hundred people yeah i got a hundred people

01:49:53.980 i get your point but i just think that people are trying to play it up

01:49:58.780 a little bit more than yeah i feel like guys will just say it just to say it but like honestly

01:50:02.620 if i'm like posting on instagram and like a guy comments it's like nothing but if girls like you

01:50:06.860 know like especially if they like say something specific like girls just sort of like well like

01:50:10.780 are your hype woman like they'll hype you up like you'll know like if like they'll tell you the truth

01:50:14.860 basically like what do you mean like i'm saying like i feel more hyped up if a girl tells me like i

01:50:19.340 look good like if i was going out to a party and she's like oh like you look like good like oh my gosh

01:50:23.100 you're so pretty like i feel like i would take it as a more compliment from that than a guy because

01:50:27.500 honestly like the girls that i'm friends with at least my friend group like we're brutally honest

01:50:30.540 to each other yeah so what you're what you're saying is yeah just men should stop complimenting

01:50:36.380 women no no i agree no stop simping stop no no you're so beautiful stop like if they don't mean

01:50:44.940 it or if it's like stupid like if they like obviously i'm not saying like compliments but if

01:50:49.340 like a guy like talks like dms you like obviously like they want to fuck they're a guy like it's just

01:50:54.220 you know like or they want to pursue a long-term monogamous relationship you never know then

01:50:58.780 don't dm me on instagram how are they supposed to well because like i feel like i don't know i'm

01:51:03.820 not i don't think like i like i anyone who like has dating apps like like i don't like like i don't

01:51:09.420 shame them for it but i don't think i would meet someone off a dating app or sure yeah anything like

01:51:13.740 that so wait so and two-part question to this and we used to um i'm back out there we used to

01:51:19.980 one of the questions i used to ask is have any of you ever had a blue check mark dmu of course now

01:51:25.740 you can buy a blue check mark on instagram but maybe before or you got a recently a blue check

01:51:32.700 mark dming you but it was actually like a valid i don't know musician athlete something or other

01:51:37.500 has anybody here had my ex-boyfriend was a professional athlete your your ex-boyfriend was

01:51:45.180 a professional athlete yeah let me see was this the uh wait the one-year relationship yeah oh but

01:51:51.500 wait this is high school that was a high yeah he went pro after junior high after junior high

01:51:59.820 in what sport yeah basketball soccer name drops name drop right here no no no it's not legal in

01:52:05.980 basketball you have to go to high school okay so so it's not really like a slit in my dms it was like

01:52:14.060 a committed relationship so i don't know if the quest the follow-up question would apply but we'll

01:52:19.340 keep so you kiko you you've had a like semi-famous oh hold on one sec brandon males donated 99 dollars

01:52:28.220 yeah thank you speaking of tinder they did a study that less than five percent of men are finding

01:52:33.260 relationships on their app so they decided to roll out a 500 dollar dollar per month to increase their

01:52:39.180 chances by 25 percent are apps now heavily profiting off male loneliness yes i mean it's a lot more than

01:52:46.780 the dating apps you have only fans you have uh other things that's definitely uh i mean these industries

01:52:52.700 you basically have an entire industry when it comes to uh you have only fans porn uh strippers

01:53:01.420 what else i mean anything that sexualizes women it's an entire industry that exists primarily

01:53:08.460 because of male loneliness like if men were in relationship well if men were getting laid they

01:53:13.580 wouldn't be so quick to turn to porn only fans strippers etc look of course there's guys in

01:53:22.940 fucking relationships they do that shit too but male loneliness rip rips in the chat okay wait so

01:53:31.660 uh you had a some blue check marks in the dms kriko sorry sorry sorry sorry what did he call me

01:53:38.700 kriko i didn't what is a kriko kriko your name's kiko actually i want to start calling you by your

01:53:44.940 actual name don't kiara oh and you did it did i say wrong no oh okay let's not do that kiara

01:53:54.220 go what it doesn't sound right anymore the blue check marks what's what about it

01:54:01.740 nfl player um one was a music producer and then the other one was mba

01:54:08.460 is it dj callen would you assuming you were single would you be down for dj callen absolutely not

01:54:16.860 another one come on another one i like physically fit men yeah he's working on it he plays golf and

01:54:23.420 he can work on it he plays golf he does play golf he's actually okay music producer you said nba yeah

01:54:28.700 steph curry oh i love that even she's like i'm not good enough that's not what i think

01:54:40.860 he's married did i misread that he's all i don't know yeah it's because he has married with three

01:54:44.780 beautiful children i would hope he's not messaging me i don't know i don't really watch mba so i love

01:54:49.420 that you're also going after some of the most famous people on these as you can imagine it was

01:54:54.300 actually really funny though when it did happen because i was a freshman in college actually when

01:54:59.340 the nba player hit me up and i remember i was like sitting in my um lecture and um i got the dm and i

01:55:09.180 was like um i don't i didn't know who it was like i had no idea who he was and he was um it was his

01:55:16.860 he's a rookie it was his first season and i remember i told a couple guys on my dorm hall and

01:55:21.420 they like freaked out they're like what the heck are you this one and they're trying a bunch of

01:55:27.180 clips and i'm like i do not care i do not care at all any other check marks just any nope i'm gonna

01:55:35.900 add on to this um any sugar daddy offers any fly out offers okay i've never had a sugar daddy offer

01:55:42.940 however i once um i met this guy on tinder we hooked up once and then i was like i'm going into school

01:55:50.380 right now i'm going to my third year i'm like i don't really have time for this um and i wasn't

01:55:54.940 really interested anymore and then he offered to pay me um to sleep with him and i was just like

01:56:01.740 that's prostitution yeah pretty pretty illegal um i was curious how much he would offer i was never

01:56:08.780 going to accept it but i was curious how much he was actually going to offer the cap i was not i mean

01:56:15.820 because i don't i'm not going to be a federal crime uh-uh that's that i'm not doing that i

01:56:21.740 gotta finish my career like five grand no i feel like that's kind of low yeah you already slept with

01:56:27.820 she's already she's already slept with this man it's not like it's a random man yes they had already

01:56:32.140 slept together for free so he's not like it's a random man you already did it for free

01:56:36.140 true you make a good point look look look i'm all about getting your bag but i was i did not

01:56:45.580 want to slip into that yeah it felt weird and i was just like because i i also felt like if i let's

01:56:53.340 say i do that i feel like that i'm putting myself at risk in a bad spot because let's if a guy pays

01:56:58.780 you he feels like he can do whatever he wants with you and like all of a sudden the power dynamic shifts

01:57:04.220 so quickly okay well i mean again obviously never had personal experience so well i could be wrong

01:57:10.940 but it could be negotiated but there's some negotiation but to me i felt like if i were to accept that type

01:57:16.940 of thing i felt like i'm letting him have power over me monetarily and that is something that i'm

01:57:24.140 firstly not interested in and i'm also i would also be worried for my safety like in that type of

01:57:29.660 what was the offer what did he tell you oh he just um we were snapchatting and i was just like

01:57:35.100 i'm not really interested i'm at school i want to focus on my school right now i don't really have

01:57:39.900 time to be hooking up with you no but you you said that you were curious you wanted to know oh but i

01:57:45.020 he blocked me once i said no he immediately blocked me okay and then he which was funny because we

01:57:50.380 talked about um how he liked the food of like the place that i worked at and then uh he never came to

01:57:56.940 that location until like one day he came in never showed his face in that store again because he

01:58:03.020 blocked me on everything and then um okay yeah never saw him again all right okay yeah what about you

01:58:09.660 that was the question um any like famous people in your dms any sugar daddy any fly out offer

01:58:16.300 besides my ex-boyfriend no doesn't count what about you

01:58:19.500 sugar daddy i've had like older guys want a relationship and they were rich but not just for

01:58:31.020 sex because um downtown santa barbara oh so this was an in-person meeting yeah just ran into them

01:58:39.660 started talking it was never just for sex because i think with guys when i'm

01:58:44.860 like when they show interest in me i am clear that i'm not into hookup culture at all because

01:58:52.940 i know it is very very common so i let them know in the beginning to not lead them on and

01:59:00.140 any of that we've definitely heard from other women who've been on the show we've heard stories of

01:59:04.860 i mean you don't a lot of the times some of these guys who are sugar daddies or whatever

01:59:09.420 they i don't know what their motivations or intentions are but they will just literally

01:59:14.780 send girls money sometimes not even have to meet them in person or they do meet in person but it's

01:59:19.340 like be my escort to dinner go have dinner with me go have lunch with me i just want to be with a

01:59:25.420 pretty girl i mean my thinking is that they want to probably uh eventually maneuver it towards

01:59:34.060 sex but i've definitely heard a ton of girls say oh yeah i just went on a date paid me

01:59:38.620 500 bucks so those are the kind of offers that you're you've had yeah well i don't have any

01:59:44.860 social media so everyone i met was in person so i would i never really had the opportunity to get

01:59:51.260 like a anonymous dm don't have to meet them it's always real people i meet in public so you met a

01:59:58.460 couple older guys yeah was it one two three four how many yes it was uh maybe four okay maybe four

02:00:08.140 yeah um maybe you exchanged contact info numbers yes and then they would offer what 500 bucks come

02:00:17.500 meet me for coffee that sort of shit um it was more like no it was more like i'm rich and will fund your

02:00:25.740 life will you be my girlfriend kind of or will you go out with me and so when they say i will fund

02:00:34.460 your life do they get into specifics do they say i'll pay your rent i'll pay your car bill i'll pay

02:00:39.420 your utility bill your phone bill i'll pay for everything and what do they say come live with me

02:00:44.620 they just kind of say how well established they are so i know that they have a lot to offer i guess

02:00:51.420 but i never get into the specifics because off first message i decline so i never really

02:00:58.700 find out the details you didn't get into it yeah okay oh okay what about you no never nothing

02:01:05.100 nothing fly out nothing okay what about you anything blue check mark fly out sugar daddy i've had

02:01:13.180 sugar daddy like dms on instagram i'm like unmarked safe dms but i'd never actually responded to any of

02:01:19.340 them i have had friends that have responded to them but a couple of them have actually been like

02:01:23.900 caught by like the police because technically they would go and like they would pay them but it would

02:01:31.820 be like a bot account or something like that so i would just i would never do it okay what about you

02:01:36.620 yeah definitely the bots on instagram but i would never reply to them but i also i worked at a restaurant

02:01:41.820 at my hometown and a lot of like old men and older guys would leave phone numbers for like me and my

02:01:47.980 co-workers and um they would just like they like they we knew where they were rich because like

02:01:53.580 where the restaurant is it's located in a pretty good place so it's like we knew and then they would

02:01:58.860 just basically like we've had one guy like wait for us outside the restaurant and be like oh like we're

02:02:02.860 renting this airbnb on the lake like come it's like a minute away from our work and he like gave us the

02:02:08.700 address and like gave us like his phone number and so i've had like all those experiences like multiple

02:02:12.700 times where i work but never took any of them up or anything about you anything for you i mean i've

02:02:18.220 gotten like the weird like dms not the bots no but like like guys asking for like feet or like

02:02:27.500 underwear like not even an on but like a picture of it just like you know like just taking a picture

02:02:35.100 of it and then like like say they'll pay you but like i don't respond to them so okay just like just

02:02:41.500 the bots um that kind of stuff i know my friend um he has a fake snapchat account that he catfishes

02:02:48.220 people on he has a ton of those that he just catfishes and messes with people with

02:02:54.700 and so male friend yeah but he's like pretending to be a chick no

02:03:01.580 no it's catfishing yeah he's like he he's like he pretends he's like 20 like 4 i think is the age

02:03:07.900 he usually puts so he's pretending to be a dude no he's not pretending to be a dude he is a he is

02:03:13.740 a dude he's like he's like complete he's giving like he's going after like gay men or something or

02:03:17.500 he just pulls no bitches so he has to act like someone else probably no i mean he's like like

02:03:22.780 he uses fake pictures yeah he uses fake pictures tend to be someone he's not and just like messes

02:03:26.860 with people oh okay what about you i i guess i don't know i'm older so i guess yes but i never hooked

02:03:34.060 up with him i traveled and everything with him but he always like like will go ahead go ahead like

02:03:41.260 he will like he has a lot of money and i don't know we ended up being friends but we never hooked

02:03:46.140 up not even he didn't he didn't even try to hook up didn't even try no didn't even try initially it

02:03:52.140 was clear that he was interested in you beyond just friendship it didn't seem that way no like

02:03:59.020 not at all older guy yeah he was he's older he's like almost 60 years old and we travel like i don't

02:04:05.500 know for three or four months first class and stuff like that but we never hooked up we became really

02:04:10.700 good friends but wait so um you would he pay besides just traveling with him would he didn't well he gave

02:04:19.660 you money helped you with bills rent well um he helped me a couple of times well he like he did it

02:04:26.140 like as a gift you know he will like give it to my to the landlord okay and then he gave me one

02:04:31.020 time a check yeah a good check as a gift how much go it's fine it's good 14 000 but that was like two

02:04:39.180 years ago i know i need to do a full accounting of this so i have got my math here pulled up

02:04:53.020 so 14 000 yes one-time payment but were there other one-time payments for lesser amounts

02:04:59.100 or more higher amounts well her rent multiple times well my rent like two times he gave it to

02:05:04.140 the landlord itself like how much was that six it was like six or seven hundred dollars at that point

02:05:08.860 at 1400. mm-hmm uh and then we travel we travel first class and stuff like that and to hawaii and

02:05:15.660 to new york how many how many different flights total do you think like vacations did you take

02:05:21.980 we took to new to new york in first class just uh just how many total in total maybe like i don't

02:05:29.820 know like eight or nine nine let's put nine okay let's just say ten um and so you said hawaii new york

02:05:36.940 where else las vegas vegas anywhere else um we went to san francisco no we didn't go out of the country

02:05:45.660 okay yeah he's american too but he will like always like i don't know if it's the correct

02:05:51.020 way to say it order like a room with two beds and he never like ever tried anything i swear like we

02:05:57.180 never even kiss a peck or anything like at all what are these guys doing i know like good for you but

02:06:03.900 it's just like i as a guy i'm like why you know i just wants a friend maybe he's lonely i just need

02:06:09.740 another friend that's what i thought maybe he doesn't have a sex drive he's older i must still

02:06:14.860 be putting it down at 60 sun that was like it's original like i don't i'm probably wrong on the

02:06:20.460 strict detailing but like that used to be the original definition like of escorting like that's

02:06:25.740 why there was a there was different words because like prostitution was paying for you know hooking up

02:06:31.740 with and then sugar babying and like maybe maybe just sugar babying um but like it's supposed to be no

02:06:38.460 sexual contact and they're literally just paying you for your companionship like time

02:06:42.700 and stuff like that so i want to hang out with a pretty girl you want to hang out with a pretty

02:06:45.340 girl sometimes it's like they'll book you to go to their fancy little dinner with all their friends

02:06:48.780 i used to be all skinny and stuff like that no no that's not i was just the whole situation to me is

02:06:54.300 i know is bonkers so um was he like did he speak spanish with you is he spanish guy no no no he's

02:07:00.620 he's american he's super american yeah like he has blue eyes and like he's older maybe he liked your

02:07:06.220 accent no no i hope i hope not what's it now i miss him oh so if you ever got it oh yeah

02:07:16.060 and but so you this was two years ago no this was um in 2019 so you were like you're 36 so you were

02:07:24.860 like 33 33 33 yeah i never quit my job though but i don't know you were coming i know i know but i'm

02:07:36.300 older you know so yeah good for you thank you all right don't hate me guys don't hate me guys but but

02:07:43.900 women have dating and life on easy mode yes yes there's no there's i'm i'm actually when your little

02:07:55.660 sugar uh daddy situation came about uh like there's no women hitting me up like oh brian

02:08:04.380 let me fucking fly you everywhere here any any sugar mamas listening brian wants you to

02:08:08.700 some signs for you you can sign up if you would like i'm not saying that sugar mamas don't exist

02:08:13.980 but like it's probably well the ratio is not yeah for every one sugar mama there's a hundred

02:08:19.500 sugar daddies probably more so i've been waiting for you to bring this up because we brought up earlier

02:08:23.580 the hookup culture right you guys love to say and complain about women and hookup culture and the

02:08:30.460 set in the third what if men just raise your standards and you guys stop sleeping with everyone

02:08:37.580 then maybe your lives wouldn't be so difficult you keep complaining about oh you know this and

02:08:42.940 that and the hookup culture you and saying that we control hookup culture by like if we don't sleep

02:08:47.180 with you guys no how about you guys stop sleeping with everybody and that'll be the fix you well here's

02:08:53.260 here's the difference i would kind of point out to that you say you guys but what i would argue is when

02:08:57.740 it comes to hookup culture it's actually a fairly small proportion of men that you could say are

02:09:02.540 responsible whereas so i think what's going on in hookup culture is you have women who are chasing

02:09:07.660 after the top 10 top 20 percent of men they're sleeping with all the women and then the rest of

02:09:12.620 the guys are lonely they're not getting any maybe i would say there's more men who are in indulging in

02:09:21.980 casual sex than women are no i think it's the reverse i would agree that it's the reverse i think

02:09:27.660 that if perhaps you can make the argument that men are more inclined to just pursue casual sex but

02:09:36.940 that's very different than actually being able to get it the men that are able to regularly get casual

02:09:42.220 sex is is a much smaller cohort of people compared to like almost any woman any woman even if she's

02:09:50.060 overweight she can be in hookup culture i would argue like a overweight man he's not he doesn't have

02:09:58.300 access to hookup culture so i'm not saying that it's easier for men they still it's women have more

02:10:05.260 access to sex correct but that doesn't negate the fact that they try so hard that they still end up

02:10:11.660 being the most people in hooking up in casual sex because there's more there's men yes they might

02:10:18.140 not get it on their first try but they're still trying to so even if it takes them all night long

02:10:23.740 even if they have to go up to 10 different women they're leaving that night with a girl in hand we

02:10:28.700 know i know many men like that and they are mid they are not some chads or the finest men in the room

02:10:34.380 no i know very mid men who are yeah mid men who take home a woman if they want they're gonna leave

02:10:41.020 they might be bringing something else they might have some charisma or a game obviously you're you

02:10:45.260 were in the nightlife you're a bartender so like when you get alcohol in the involved in the picture

02:10:49.100 and that's it's not saying it's right but even in a la vista that's usually a play in majority of

02:10:54.060 scenarios so i think like men and women are drinking i mean that's yeah i'm not saying it's wrong i'm not

02:10:58.620 saying like i'm i'm saying that yes you're not it's not right that they're using this alcohol but i'm

02:11:02.140 saying that's what's happening majority of the time is both parties are drinking so well it's like they're

02:11:06.140 it's like the liquid confidence for guys like they're gonna be less scared to approach a girl

02:11:11.580 if they're a little intoxicated they're not going to be as nervous anxious etc right but i still think

02:11:16.060 like there's more if you count the amount of men versus the amount of women who are engaging in

02:11:20.700 hookup culture because i would be like disagree i saw guys guys will take home guys can take home

02:11:29.180 three four different girls a week and nobody would bat an eye right a girl might be having casual sex but

02:11:35.260 usually it's either they're repeating partners or they're not they're it's not the same because

02:11:39.900 you will get judged for that whereas a man wouldn't so girls are more inclined to not do that that's

02:11:44.220 why what i mean that yes but that's not what a sneak link really means but it's i'm saying that there

02:11:49.340 if you count count it out there's going to be more men who are doing that than women i mean you're but

02:11:54.620 okay it's not like with dating apps and social media and like meeting people at parties and bars and clubs and

02:12:00.700 stuff um there's uh if as a woman if you want to kind of keep a low profile and hook up with a

02:12:09.180 shit ton of men you can absolutely do it it's this idea that oh they're going to be judged like who

02:12:15.100 you can do it not and not really in these years i mean if you everyone here probably has roommates

02:12:19.180 you're going to notice if your roommate's gone every night and doesn't have a boyfriend like those

02:12:22.380 things don't get non-picked up they might be a little bit you could be a little bit more hush

02:12:25.580 hush about it but usually things start going around people guys are going to start talking guys

02:12:30.300 love to talk about their sexual encounters so even if she's quiet about it he's going to go

02:12:34.380 tell his homie and that homie's going to tell that homie so i mean it's gonna most of the time it

02:12:39.020 gets around pretty fast so you're saying that when it comes to getting sex that it's actually

02:12:42.620 pretty comparable like even if you're a mid guy if you really want it like you can just go get it

02:12:47.420 yes but i'm not saying that men have more access to sex i'm not saying that women do have more

02:12:51.580 access to sex but i'm not saying you have to be a 10 out of 10 amazing looking or rich man to get

02:12:58.780 a woman that's not true because i will agree with that to the extent that i think that the like one

02:13:05.020 like top one percent like attractiveness of men are getting you know sex seven days a week

02:13:11.980 and whereas like a average looking guy is probably getting sex once a week i would still i mean at

02:13:17.900 least in my zero or zero but i like i would say that they're probably well there's definitely more

02:13:23.660 men that attempt to partake in hookup culture are they as successful as women can be no but i think

02:13:29.900 there's probably more in terms of volume of men partaking on a regular basis than there are women

02:13:35.420 but women obviously have more access in terms of they don't have to try nearly as hard as men do to

02:13:42.780 partake in hookup culture does that make sense that's exactly but i will like clarify my stance

02:13:47.900 because i agree no i will i'll clarify my stance on hookup culture i'm not saying like it's it's only

02:13:54.780 women to blame i think both men and women need to become equally as accountable i don't agree that men

02:14:00.700 should be um left to sleep around i don't i don't think that at all i think both need to stay accountable

02:14:07.660 but i mean at least for me i think that men care more about a woman's past whereas like in terms

02:14:13.820 of seeking a relationship men care more about a woman's past and women care about men's future

02:14:18.540 so women are a lot more inclined to be like oh i can fix him whereas men are not men will see

02:14:23.820 like a dirty past see baggage and be like no she's not worth it but if let's say a man does see that

02:14:29.820 isn't that a red flag to you like it let's say you do partake in hookup culture and some guy places

02:14:36.540 that much emphasis on your body count who you've been with in the past to me that means that i'm

02:14:43.660 immediately no longer interested in him the fact that he is putting that emphasis on like previous

02:14:50.300 relationships when that's clearly not what matters i i wouldn't judge a guy for however many people

02:14:56.060 he slept with and i wouldn't want him to judge a woman for that and honestly that's like that's

02:15:01.420 like not even a red flag to me that's like that's done deal like i would not be interested sorry

02:15:06.540 you're good well so you're saying past doesn't matter well it past doesn't matter is a very

02:15:13.100 broad statement but i'm saying past in regards to body count does not matter so like it was like a

02:15:19.020 hundred plus you'd be okay with that well i would want you to go get tested first um if you have a

02:15:25.500 a hundred plus let's say but it's a hundred plus but he's clean um i mean that would be more of a

02:15:32.220 conversation to have about um that's not like it's not something i would write up like right off just

02:15:38.000 immediately you've had a hundred bodies oh suddenly i'm not going to date you anymore it would be more

02:15:43.320 like okay so why why were you hooking up with that many people are you still like planning on hooking up

02:15:48.720 with that many people that's i feel like it's more of a conversation about where the future is headed

02:15:53.140 because who you were doesn't mean that's necessarily who you are so i don't think people

02:15:58.760 should just be like judging immediately just because you have a higher body count or maybe

02:16:03.120 you have a lower body count it doesn't matter to me like at all and if it is a super high

02:16:08.820 body count that maybe even like shocks me that's a conversation to be had like you work through those

02:16:16.000 things do you object for example let's try to kind of reverse the scenario would you object to a man

02:16:20.820 not wanting to be involved with or date a girl or even hook up with a girl if she had a body count

02:16:27.060 of a hundred do you think that that's judgmental do you think it's wrong for him to use that metric to

02:16:32.280 disqualify her i mean if it's like if he really liked her personality and was like really into her

02:16:38.300 and stuff like that and just finds out her body count doesn't ask any more questions that's a deal

02:16:42.960 breaker i mean look everyone's living their own lives i'm i'm not gonna like i just feel like

02:16:51.480 that's a conversation to be had first but if that's a deal breaker to you that's a deal breaker

02:16:55.380 like there's nothing you can do about that but i think do you object to it object to him asking or

02:17:02.000 him caring that yes she has a do you object do you think that perhaps it's it's do you think maybe

02:17:08.340 he's insecure do you think he's immature for although although you might you may acknowledge

02:17:13.000 that yes for some men this is a deal breaker or it might be a deal breaker do you take issue you

02:17:18.860 maybe you think well that it shouldn't be yeah i mean it's kind of hard to draw a line where like

02:17:23.960 where a lot is too much so for me when it gets like to those things i wouldn't i wouldn't judge as

02:17:32.420 much for that but i still think that it's it shouldn't be an immediate deal breaker but

02:17:38.500 i don't know like that that type of thing is i i don't think it's that important to have a

02:17:44.100 conversation about because i think that boils down to the individual whether they have a problem with

02:17:48.880 that is something that they would discuss with their partner and i don't think it's something that

02:17:52.500 everyone needs to be commenting on and so everyone needs to be judging someone who has

02:17:56.800 plus 100 body count that's for them to deal with don't read to answer your question if like if

02:18:03.560 there's a problem with that there's only a problem with someone having a problem with the body count

02:18:08.140 over 100 if their body counts over 100 like if that guy's if that guy's body count is 100 or near

02:18:14.960 100 plus then yes there's a problem with him wanting having a problem with that girl's body count low

02:18:19.340 but if his body count's low he hasn't slept with many people then i i would understand having an

02:18:23.840 issue with your partner having 10 times amount bodies bodies as you that's why you have to stay

02:18:28.860 relative to what you're working well do you think so you're saying that if a guy he has a high body

02:18:34.660 count it's wrong of him to want a woman who has a low body count yes or at least judging her or

02:18:40.140 writing her off off off right away because it's like you did the same thing like why does it make

02:18:43.980 it any different yeah it's a little different i personally i don't mind if guys take girls body

02:18:50.040 counts into account when pursuing them because well i'm comfortable in my decisions and i feel

02:18:58.040 like we're automatically assuming that low body counts are what's desired but i'm a virgin and

02:19:04.600 guys like not all of them think that's a good thing like they some some get mad like not mad but

02:19:11.820 they'll be like frustrated and think that's a negative because they're like oh she won't fuck

02:19:17.140 don't want to talk to her like so well it has nothing to do with you being a virgin it's just

02:19:21.540 the fact that you think it's going to be hard to sleep with you yeah so i it's not like they are

02:19:25.400 mad because you have a low body count that's just because they just want to have sex and because

02:19:30.400 you're a virgin i mean look there's some women who are virgins who are not they're not particularly

02:19:36.020 inclined to wait a long time are you waiting until marriage or not specifically you're just maybe

02:19:41.560 looking for the right guy yeah love maybe okay but you know probably for most guys they hear that

02:19:47.200 they're gonna think okay i don't want i don't want to wait that long yeah so i think it's fair of them

02:19:53.180 to take my body count into consideration when deciding whether or not they want to pursue me

02:19:57.860 right and i don't take offense if they would prefer to pursue a girl with a higher body count well i mean

02:20:03.480 that's probably good for you because if their primary interest when it comes to courting you and

02:20:08.180 yeah they're weeding themselves out so you don't you probably wouldn't want to date a guy that just

02:20:12.560 wants to fuck you yeah so there's that but where where did we leave off on this we were

02:20:17.960 you were talking about i finished oh there's the double standard thing okay so there's the yeah well

02:20:24.620 i got a couple notes here i mean there's the double double standard for his reading my notes here i

02:20:28.600 have a couple things that i've never said before but that just crossed my mind maybe i'll just read it

02:20:32.660 never said that before but well i was gonna say i was gonna say so and i don't i have like some

02:20:39.620 notes here like i have literally pages and pages of notes i've never said any of this shit but i'm

02:20:44.160 just waiting for the moment so okay i said this is kind of a joke but i said and this is i suppose

02:20:51.020 in some scenario rebuttal to the body count thing i said men who like slutty women are secretly gay

02:20:58.980 yes they're in denial okay it's not you have it a little wrong well hold on let me just finish it

02:21:04.240 they want another man's come by proxy okay so no because they want because like a woman who's like

02:21:12.640 really promiscuous like let's say you're a dude and you really like a slutty girl and she just

02:21:17.060 fucked a guy like two hours ago they want another man's come in and around their mouth and dick that's

02:21:23.620 all i'm saying it's kind of it's like a little bit it's a little bit that's not where you're going

02:21:28.320 but the same usually it's like people are coming to attention now that they think men who are

02:21:33.520 serial cheaters are possibly down low gay because like they'll never be fulfilled by the woman in

02:21:39.140 their relationships they seek it from i think there can be some truth to that too yeah but i that's

02:21:42.880 what i thought you were like a whole different way so i was not laughing at anybody i was laughing at

02:21:48.260 that because i read that just to clarify i don't want to seem like an asshole but i was reading that

02:21:53.680 it's a new rebuttal that has what is this can you read puffy vegas yeah sure i'll read it puffy vegas

02:21:58.880 i have a 300 body count still puffy you basically just called puffy gay over over this i could you

02:22:06.960 know what puffy confirm it and i are you gay because 300 women well that doesn't say it says it says

02:22:19.040 count so maybe maybe it's just talking about something they didn't even say cow i wonder if

02:22:24.320 he does that puffy it takes like a few seconds to just spell check this no totally i think because

02:22:30.080 we've looked at his instagram before i think his instagram is an attempt at a beard i'm just saying

02:22:36.160 yeah okay he puffy confirm and deny it you play for the other team send in send in a tts you know

02:22:42.880 he's like i'll just say this kiko to the whole double the double standards thing like it makes

02:22:48.640 sense for a guy even if he has a high body count because he's had experience he's had a lot of

02:22:53.200 experience to prefer a woman with a low body count that should make sense that's hypocritical

02:23:00.960 i disagree i don't think it's hypocritical i don't think it's hypocritical i think it's smart

02:23:05.600 so i it's smart i don't i don't agree with either side necessarily i i don't think it's wrong for a

02:23:12.480 man with a high body count to seek out a woman with a lower body count purely because i think

02:23:17.760 that men and women value different things out of out of each other um thank you um thank you thank you

02:23:26.320 very much um because essentially at least on a baseline level men value women in like their their

02:23:34.160 peak prime like fertility youth beauty that's that's like on a baseline level that's what they seek out

02:23:40.480 we value somebody that can provide and protect for us so we look at things like um a man's monetary

02:23:46.880 net worth and and his job and how reliable he is as like a protector that's why we're attracted to

02:23:52.720 people that are more um like physically fit taller like those are just kind of baseline things that we look

02:24:00.880 for um and yeah a woman with a high body count doesn't really align with somebody that's you know

02:24:07.680 youth like beautiful beautiful natural and pure if i want to feel like protecting all that stuff

02:24:15.440 and like even said like liable like i feel like i can count on them to do that i personally don't

02:24:19.520 think i could count on a man who slept with over 100 plus women to always be there because i would

02:24:23.840 always have the fear that he was going to cheat or other things like that but maybe a woman who had

02:24:29.760 a closer body count to him wouldn't mind that thing and i also realized too with men and women it might be

02:24:34.000 like a there's a ratio to it i would say like it doesn't have to be you have 10 bodies she has 10

02:24:39.280 bodies i do see it it's more of like he has 30 bodies she has 10 bodies that's an even playing

02:24:44.720 field to me i mean yeah but i mean like someone a girl with two bodies and a guy with 80 that's not

02:24:48.960 even yeah or like a girl but like yeah that seems fair yeah yeah that seems fair to me yeah

02:24:56.160 i mean personally i wouldn't really go for a guy at least like if he had a high body count too because

02:25:01.920 just like high as in like i don't know but but i also wouldn't want two bodies either though i

02:25:06.720 want to point out a little difference though i want to point out a little difference so when it

02:25:09.920 comes to the body count thing so in order for a guy to have a high body count that requires something

02:25:18.640 like he's got game he's got status he's got money he's good looking right a woman need not

02:25:24.160 have any of the things i've just listed to get laid it's very easy for women to get laid so i think

02:25:29.120 the differential here is like you as a woman you can get a high body count very easily it's super

02:25:36.320 easy as a woman to get laid whereas for a guy there's a fair there's a much higher degree of

02:25:41.520 difficulty when it comes to getting laid so a guy who is capable to say it's skill-based it makes it

02:25:46.160 this they are now have a skill-based skill no it doesn't disagree i disagree like it's

02:25:53.200 easy it takes skill but you guys seriously act like the only men out there getting laid or 10 out

02:25:57.520 of 10 and no that's not what i'm saying the i've seen guys who are nothing take home pretty decent

02:26:03.200 looking woman all the time i do not need to be some you don't need to be some money that's not what

02:26:10.800 money or attractive as a man to be is it easier sure of course it's just like as a woman as a

02:26:15.360 woman it's easier but it's not that's not i don't think he's necessarily saying that you have to be

02:26:20.560 like a top one percent guy to be able to pull chicks all day every day but skill to pull to

02:26:24.400 have as a man to have sex as a man to have sex like your body count is not an award for you being

02:26:29.360 a good person no no no no no so so i completely i disavow that i i don't think that like i'm definitely

02:26:35.840 not saying that men should you know try and out compete each other in terms of body count but that is

02:26:39.920 the culture that they they live in and like the pro culture not really but what do you get in that

02:26:47.680 no but it does take effort on a man's part in terms of trying to like woo a woman like a guy's not gonna

02:26:54.000 just walk into a bar unless he's insanely attractive and just attract women a lot of the times like they

02:26:59.520 have to see guys who are a drink and spends about 10 minutes talking to her and she's not like angelina

02:27:03.920 joe lee he has a pretty good chance yeah no no no no i see it yeah my friends do it i've seen it

02:27:09.280 it's not all the time but you you have this like confirmation bias where you will maybe i said that

02:27:14.880 maybe it's okay because we're off me and ivy let me ask you we'll open this to the whole table more

02:27:20.480 often than not right i don't know if you guys have been at a party or i know some of you are just getting

02:27:25.200 here at ucsb but more often than not if a guy's coming up to you or either slide let's take it

02:27:31.360 digital too sliding into your dms messaging you on a dating app more often than not are you do you end

02:27:38.000 up sleeping with the guy or do you end up rejecting him rejecting like of all the guys that are like

02:27:45.600 throwing their attention at you that are trying to hit you up do you inevitably sleep with them or

02:27:50.400 or do you inevitably reject them reject reject usually reject like the rejection rate i assume

02:27:55.920 is like pretty high so like this idea that okay just the first girl you see go talk to her at the

02:28:01.120 at the bar 10 minutes she's gonna fuck you okay it's a numbers like there's a significant numbers

02:28:06.400 that's why i said if they try and put an effort towards it that's not it's not a skill though

02:28:09.680 because you bought three different girls a drink that night that's not a skill it's because it's

02:28:13.360 showing that you are willing to do anything to get laid that's just but a woman doesn't have to buy

02:28:17.920 i'm so sorry a woman doesn't have to buy a drink or a do literally nothing but she just has to show

02:28:22.480 up to show up so a guy does have to buy at least a drink or even have like certain type of something

02:28:30.320 you gotta do more than that you know like certain type of game or whatever you want to call it

02:28:33.360 i'm not saying that's wrong but he's saying that a woman with the high body count is wrong compared

02:28:38.560 to a man because okay hold on let me finish because a woman doesn't have to do anything to get laid she

02:28:43.040 can just open her legs whereas the man has to put work and effort towards it that doesn't make it a

02:28:47.120 skill though is what i'm trying to say no i don't think it's yeah it might be like he has to

02:28:50.400 no but it is he has to leave his house there is a degree it's not much it's not well to be honest

02:28:56.240 if i like see a guy with a high body count i'm not like oh my gosh that must mean so many girls like

02:29:01.040 him like for me if a guy is like yeah he might be skilled but honestly like if it's crazy numbers

02:29:07.280 like that means like like your morals and like i feel like at some point like i don't know just my

02:29:12.800 what i'm like if i'm looking for like a husband i'm not looking for someone who has like a hundred

02:29:17.120 bodies because he's good at buying girls a drink and q and all that stuff but he's not like a guy's

02:29:23.120 not going to tell you his body count but the thing is is that probably a guy who does have a high body

02:29:30.720 count is going to have the requisite experience just from interacting with women and in the bedroom

02:29:37.200 he's gonna it just means they tried more it literally only means that they tried more to

02:29:41.200 have sex is literally it i can't i can look like anything and just keep trying like as long as you

02:29:46.480 are putting you could be attractive and not try to have sex so they're not going to be having a lot

02:29:49.600 of sex but as long as it's the it just shows you're trying because is it a skill to text and dm

02:29:55.680 a hundred girls and then you finally get three respond back is that a skill well no he just put time

02:30:00.240 aside there is a certain way in which you're going to have to maneuver the conversation to be successful

02:30:06.240 to lead it somewhere like how many dms do y'all get and you just don't even respond how many dms

02:30:11.600 don't go anywhere so there is some degree of like that's why i said it's a numbers game as long as

02:30:16.080 they keep trying no but it's not even a numbers game like if you if you just suck at communicating

02:30:20.960 like you don't you're gonna struggle severely yes but i'm like we already said the alcohol thing

02:30:28.160 stuff like that here's the difference is a guy goes to the club at 1 a.m he's not getting laid

02:30:33.760 at 1 a.m it closes at what 130 to 132 but this is what i'm saying it's not right but it's all he has

02:30:40.000 to do is be mid mildly attractive you're so full go into the club at 1 a.m you are so full of whatever

02:30:46.080 girl looks like she's a little bit you know not in her best interest and guys shouldn't be doing

02:30:50.240 that they shouldn't be but that's what happens a lot of the time especially out here that's what

02:30:54.240 happening at parties these girls get drunk they're not really thinking straight and the guys see it

02:30:58.640 and they're like okay we're just gonna take her back it happens all the time happens at all the

02:31:01.280 parties it happens everywhere that's not a skill their skill is they find out they've looked at

02:31:05.600 saying it was tipsy enough but not enough for them to get arrested okay that's the skill okay let's

02:31:10.560 differentiate though both men and women they go to social gatherings both genders drink that's just

02:31:17.120 kind of since since forever men drink women drink people hook up when i'm not claiming assault i'm

02:31:23.200 not claiming assault but i'm just bringing it to the light a way that because you're saying the only

02:31:27.200 possibility with no that's yeah but i don't think men should do that i don't think they should be

02:31:30.800 like but that's how men are getting their bodies that's known into the gazelle who's fucking tanked

02:31:35.840 don't do that but what like if we're talking about like normal non-predatory like social dynamics then

02:31:41.840 but i would say like a lot of men who have high body counts that's how they're accumulating them

02:31:45.440 they're not accumulating it from but plenty of hitting them up on instagram there's plenty of men and

02:31:49.120 women that go out they have one drink and then they it's like a consensual it's they

02:31:54.080 i'm not saying i'm not saying anything's not consensual i'm not saying anything's not

02:31:57.360 consensual so don't worry okay fine so we'll move away from that you're just saying you're

02:32:01.200 just saying a mid guy can just go out to a bar or club and just like boom okay it's guaranteed

02:32:07.200 i wouldn't say it's not guaranteed but as long as they try about three because like i'm not saying

02:32:11.600 three chicks i'm not saying it's assault but when you're drinking you might be more inclined to do

02:32:16.080 some things that you wouldn't do if you weren't drinking so in that scenario i feel like it's yes it's very

02:32:20.880 easy for men to it's easier that's actually it doesn't mean that it's easy it's maybe a little

02:32:26.720 bit easier but it doesn't mean that it's easy and they still have to do something you know like

02:32:30.960 and actually talk to her communicate i mean that's not a skill i actually strongly don't recommend i

02:32:36.720 don't recommend well me personally as someone who's introverted who doesn't like to drink

02:32:40.640 i certainly don't recommend it to men one just because it's a waste of time there's uh there's uh

02:32:44.880 uh what's the term there's uh safety concerns i definitely don't recommend men go to bars clubs

02:32:50.480 parties etc like get your money right go to the gym don't fuck around in these party environments but

02:32:55.440 that's just me as a fucking introvert who doesn't drink but unless there's the champagne is there a

02:33:01.120 champagne pop brandon um but uh no this this idea that a guy can just go out and it's he's just gonna

02:33:09.680 get laid like that's well you guys are literally it's just really ironic though because you guys

02:33:13.680 began this podcast saying that women need to close their legs because you guys are sleeping around with

02:33:17.520 everybody so which one is it are women sleeping with men or are they not like are we all eating

02:33:22.720 into hookup culture and making it worse as women or are we all not sleeping with men and it's hard

02:33:27.840 for them to get laid like that's a different discussion you guys flip it to make it whatever

02:33:31.200 way makes fits your fancy instead of actually looking at probably more statistical evidence that's out

02:33:36.960 there well that's a totally different discussion or if you go outside and just see it with your

02:33:40.240 own eyes because i saw it in college when i was living out there i saw at the bars working at the

02:33:43.680 clubs yeah people people people hook up no i'm not saying people people don't hook up i guess the

02:33:49.600 the main difference here is we're talking about the difficulty with which men and women have when

02:33:54.560 it comes to getting a relationship or even just getting sex i think i mean if anyone wants to

02:34:00.640 challenge me they can but i think it's pretty evident that when it comes to purely just getting laid

02:34:05.920 women have like a major leg up compared to men can i disagree oh no no no i'm i'm i don't even want

02:34:12.240 to comment on that because i don't know like like fuck if i know um but the thing is for me let's say

02:34:19.520 okay let's say that these mid men just don't are like not getting any women to hook up with they're

02:34:25.680 having really a lot of trouble getting relationships so what why is that our problem that sounds like a you

02:34:31.600 problem like it's not our job to gift these men relationships just because sure they're

02:34:37.280 i think that you're correct well i think you're correct yes men men are not owed relationships

02:34:42.720 but women aren't owed relationships either and what but what i see happening what i see happening

02:34:48.400 is because of the you know the global sexual marketplace where you where women have far more

02:34:54.880 sexual optionality women are gonna women want winners like you want to obviously you want to get with

02:35:01.040 the best guy that you can get here's where i think women can get kind of into trouble because men want

02:35:05.920 easy access to sex women might confuse that with relationship interest even though a guy who might

02:35:11.760 sleep with you he will never be in a relationship with you he might keep you around he might play some

02:35:16.960 games or he some guys will feign like they want commitment like they want a relationship in order to get

02:35:23.280 sex but there are definitely women who will also want to just oh can somebody fix that um yeah just

02:35:31.120 push that back there are definitely women who will accept a guy saying well let's just see how it goes

02:35:37.920 um they'll maybe hope that the guy oh the guy will say i don't want a relationship right now

02:35:43.200 sometimes men will be very open they'll just say i'm not looking for anything serious right now and the

02:35:47.600 girls will go along with that hoping in the future he will want a relationship but he has

02:35:51.440 zero intention of ever committing to that girl so sorry i'm losing my fucking train

02:35:57.520 but um okay so you're saying that men are not owed relationships no i agree nobody's owed anything

02:36:05.040 right but so i just i don't really as women also don't be surprised when the fuck boy that you're

02:36:09.760 dealing with isn't going to commit to you no i i think that's fair but like you know that's why i think

02:36:15.760 you should women should go if you want like a serious relationship then go for a guy who wants

02:36:22.000 a serious relationship you can generally like i mean i can't speak for all women but i feel like i

02:36:27.440 can generally tell when someone's just trying to have sex and when someone is actually interested in

02:36:32.560 you your hobbies you as a person wants to actually be in a relationship with you i get that there are

02:36:37.920 definitely some guys who might fake that but like in my personal experience i haven't really

02:36:43.520 encountered that and i think that a lot of these issues feel like a really online issue like if you

02:36:51.360 get off social media and dating apps not every single guy is like that in the real world sure of course

02:36:57.840 yeah what i would what i would say is like i think a lot of you hear complaints from a lot of women

02:37:03.200 that these guys don't want to commit there's all these fuck boys but that those are the guys that

02:37:08.720 you're chasing after i would argue that the men who are prepared to be dutiful loyal boyfriends

02:37:13.280 who will commit to you are in your friend zone you're just not attracted to them because they're

02:37:17.040 not exciting they're not xyz you know you often hear this trope of women are attracted to bad boys

02:37:22.320 and jerks and assholes women admit it themselves they like bad boys they like a guy who's maybe a

02:37:26.960 little exciting so um women are often the ones who are picking these men who are either terrible for

02:37:32.480 relationships or who will just point blank never give you any commitment ever well i don't think

02:37:37.520 about back to like the friend zone thing if like i friend zone or i think of a guy as a friend i'm not

02:37:42.560 going to settle for him if i don't fully think i could be like in love with him or like he's not

02:37:47.760 friend zone because like oh like he's not cute enough but it's just genuinely because like i just

02:37:53.040 don't think i could see myself with him so i'm not i wouldn't settle if i couldn't find anything else

02:37:57.040 like that doesn't mean i'm gonna go for the necessarily bad boy or like fuck boy but i just

02:38:00.880 wouldn't prefer to settle for someone if i already friend zoned them or like i didn't want them well

02:38:05.760 i think the the danger is though and is if women are all chasing after a certain tier of men

02:38:13.840 then that tier of men have no there's no reason for them to commit because they just have easy access

02:38:19.760 to sex so what you're gonna have like and also i think this is not all women but i think a lot of

02:38:26.640 women have an over inflated sense of their attractiveness in the dating marketplace so you

02:38:32.000 think you're you might think oh i can get here's the here's the thing right you you can sleep with

02:38:39.280 a guy and it's very different between men and women you can sleep with a guy he'll sleep with you

02:38:45.280 he will never commit to you so you shouldn't confuse sexual attraction to with relationship

02:38:50.960 attraction a guy will sleep with you that will never be in a relationship with you and that could

02:38:55.120 come down to it could be your personality could be your looks because here's the difference right

02:39:01.520 for a i think for a woman to sleep with a guy he needs to be at least physically attractive enough

02:39:08.080 excuse me at least physically attractive enough to be in a relationship with but a guy will sleep

02:39:13.200 with a girl whose physical attractiveness just on that sole metric he will never commit to her but he

02:39:18.640 welcomes the easy access to sex yeah well if you like say like oh girls have easy like a life on easy

02:39:25.120 girls like have an easy way to like have sex that's obviously like that's not the girl's issue

02:39:30.240 that's the guy's issue like if oh you're complaining about oh girls have it so easy yeah why do we have

02:39:35.920 it easy because of guys because you guys will agree to it and you will pay for it you'll fly but they

02:39:43.120 won't commit to you that that's except like that's what women want you know so yeah they they have like

02:39:48.320 they have to pursue for sex and they can have it or however they want it you know like but we want

02:39:53.680 commitment like yeah that's what most women want i don't think like anybody's like you know that's

02:39:59.120 what i agree i agree yeah i'm not saying that it's right or wrong obviously but like on a baseline

02:40:05.440 level excuse me on a baseline level women are the arbiters of sex and men are the arbiters of

02:40:12.240 relationships i kind of agree with that so you have to kind of hold it it's a balance but you

02:40:17.520 have to hold them accountable if a man wants sex from you you have to um and you want a relationship

02:40:23.520 out of the like your interaction with him then you have to hold them accountable he has to show you

02:40:27.520 that he's willing to you know check these boxes so that he can get what he wants in the end game so

02:40:33.920 you can use sex to you know to hold up sex to get him to do all these things for you at least you

02:40:40.560 have like you know you won't be out like in zero if nothing goes on in our relationship

02:40:45.840 nothing makes me feel worse than well i never had a one night stand never it's not my thing yeah well

02:40:51.280 i thought the cap i feel like i've been in the position too where like i've decided if it's a

02:40:56.800 relationship or not though so i think like yeah maybe for most people but i think definitely there

02:41:02.960 is instances where like you like the girl is in charge and the girl decides because personally for me

02:41:08.960 almost every single one of mine besides one has been where i've ended things or i've like

02:41:14.160 been the one to say no to being like official and that's okay too yeah you know you can be on your

02:41:19.040 right to not want a relationship with a guy that's yeah that's right like yes that i see the whole

02:41:24.720 woman can be lower sex and men relationships but like that's not as common as people like to make

02:41:30.160 it seem yeah i kind of i kind of do actually agree i think honestly uh it's only really the top

02:41:36.560 percent of men that control access to relationships yeah i would say like for for normal guys like it's

02:41:43.600 still women control access to sex and they could control access to relationships because you can't

02:41:50.160 get typically for most scenarios you don't get to the relationship point prior to having sex so if you

02:41:57.680 control sex then you by necessity control the relationship yeah word yeah i mean like you like

02:42:07.680 i'm just saying like not giving it out on the like well you can i know that there's relationships that

02:42:12.640 come out like of you hooking up the first night like you never know you know yeah and i feel like

02:42:18.400 you can ask the guy too you can be like hey what do you want you know and hold them accountable of what he

02:42:23.920 says i will just add to the whole uh kiko we were having a back and forth about um what was it you

02:42:33.200 were saying ah even a mid guy could just you know go out there get laid super easily i mean i'm not

02:42:38.720 saying if he looks like lord farquard or something that's going to be just getting going to pound town

02:42:44.000 but i'm just saying no he doesn't have to be some 10 out of 10 chad with thousands of dollars or

02:42:49.120 millions of dollars in his bank account no that's not unless you're going after angelina jolie or

02:42:53.440 something crazy like that but i think what i'm saying is if majority of guys if they put an effort

02:42:58.720 in they can always bat a decent average in their own range what's a decent average like do you think

02:43:05.920 let me ask you a question do you think an average guy if he went up to 10 women in a night every

02:43:10.960 single night he could get laid yeah i would say if he goes up to 10 and unless he's picking like the

02:43:15.760 10 most attractive women in the room but if he's picking 10 women who are comparable to him he's

02:43:20.160 getting laid that night yeah no yeah i would say i mean it depends at a club at a club yes definitely

02:43:26.240 even at a club but not at a club at least he's not going to get rejected by every single one of them

02:43:30.400 and there's a possible for those advancing in the future but i yeah do you know why they call it

02:43:35.200 getting lucky though that only applies to men women there's no luck involved with when it comes to

02:43:39.840 women getting sex like ladies here right if you i know some of you are not maybe particularly

02:43:46.720 inclined to hookup culture but if you wanted if you woke up one morning and you decided i want to

02:43:52.960 fuck today do you think with certainty like a hundred percent you know you could get laid do you think you

02:44:00.000 could yeah but it's like is it the person i want that's the thing that was different between men and

02:44:05.520 women men if they say that they wake up i'm going to get laid tonight they're willing to sleep with

02:44:09.920 anything whereas women can wake up and say that and still usually have like a standard so yeah there

02:44:15.680 might be like there might she might wake up in that mood but will she get someone who fits her that

02:44:19.920 she'll actually end up doing it with but maybe not but doesn't that kind of prove his point in terms of

02:44:24.560 like men have to try harder to achieve no i'm saying because men are willing to sleep with absolutely

02:44:30.480 anything out there so they so their their opportunity for them is they will have sex that

02:44:36.800 night sorry whereas a woman yes there's people out there we can sleep with but it's not going to

02:44:40.880 happen because we are we the one that we want to sleep with the ones that we do want to sleep with

02:44:45.440 we don't have as easy as access yeah but you lower you you you you essentially make the pool for

02:44:51.280 your potential sexual partners smaller as a woman by having those standards if men have no standards

02:44:56.880 and they have that that pool yes they might be on average sleeping with more women than women are

02:45:02.240 sleeping with men but they do have to try harder because they're they like i've already yeah i've

02:45:07.520 already admitted that it's uh sex is more accessible for women but i my whole overall point though is even

02:45:12.800 though sex is more acceptable for women men are still having more casual sex i understand that they have

02:45:17.680 to try i'm not saying they don't have to try but it's not trying very hard is my whole point they don't

02:45:22.320 have to try that hard to have multi insane amount of sex and i'm saying they don't have to be

02:45:30.640 amazingly exceedingly attractive either no i'm not i've never said they have to be like extremely

02:45:35.760 attractive or have like let's go finish up no no you're good i i never said they had to be exceptional

02:45:42.080 in any sort of avenue but they do have to you know put in some sort of effort they have to at least be

02:45:46.880 you know charismatic be able to hold a conversation something of that sort to be able to have low very

02:45:51.200 low standards that's the whole that's my point because they don't there's a lot of you guys like

02:45:55.840 the we aren't like you can't deny that there's a lot of women who are easy like that no absolutely

02:45:59.840 i'm not denying that at all so it's like those are the ones that are sleeping ones are the ones

02:46:04.080 that are super easy like you don't have to try that hard to sleep with the woman that's easy

02:46:07.200 like they don't have to do that much yeah so it's like is that really a skill or i've never said that

02:46:12.080 it was yeah well maybe maybe we could do a little uh a role play we'll see we'll see the ladies game

02:46:18.000 here at the table we could we could try that just going around though um if you're so if you were

02:46:22.880 so inclined do you think should it's 9 p.m now oh my god already no any of you think you could get

02:46:28.960 laid within the next two hours if you really put your went to the screen or some analogy okay

02:46:34.320 stochastic yeah thank you to can't get to see in the chat thank you brother hey brain sorry i'm late

02:46:40.000 busy day went on tours at schools i don't attend bought earrings to promote carcinogens because it

02:46:47.600 goes with my hair removed a bunch of letters from puffy's keyboard anyway hi skyler r.i.p in peace in

02:46:56.240 the chat for true oh rip r.i.p true in the chat r.i.p true justice for true okay um do you think you could

02:47:06.400 get laid within 24 hours or tonight even i'd have to i think i would have to re-download tinder but

02:47:12.560 probably but i wouldn't find one i think i would be personally interested in i think i could if i

02:47:21.600 wanted to tonight yeah we know what you don't want to but if you if you were inclined to you could right

02:47:26.960 yeah yeah what about you if i wanted to but i would never put myself in that situation sure what about you

02:47:32.000 exactly if i was like inclined if i was inclined to then yeah probably but yeah yeah if i wanted to

02:47:37.920 i probably could but i'm not saying i would i don't think i would yeah i'm in a relationship

02:47:45.040 if you were single yeah yeah i mean probably you could probably okay you i'm like i'm down no just

02:47:55.840 kidding i'm down um no no no oh no no i'm so confused no i like men oh that's why i didn't

02:48:05.920 want to say anything no no but um yeah i guess so but no no i i don't want to word if i were single

02:48:13.680 and so inclined yeah 100 like as a as a guy you can't just wake up and know like yeah i could get

02:48:21.360 late today that doesn't work like it takes some time take some time okay so take some time where

02:48:27.040 are they all just gonna step outside and then gonna go up to the first person they say and be

02:48:30.560 like hey you want to fuck tonight no they're gonna have to put in effort too if they want it to get

02:48:33.200 late tonight it doesn't just fall into their fucking lap not really it doesn't take much effort

02:48:38.480 okay so you can't speak you guys all have someone right now that you could text and they would be in

02:48:42.160 your place within the next two hours to hook up fuck no okay it's like it's not as yes we could do

02:48:47.280 it but you have to put an effort towards it too i don't know why you always think that woman just have

02:48:50.320 a shit ton of men just sitting there already waiting to download dating app oh you don't

02:48:57.440 you're not going to send the first message right okay cool you don't have to send the first message

02:49:00.960 the guy can move it forward you could do a little layup for the dude hey what's up do you want to

02:49:04.880 come over to my place boom done that's it yeah well that's as a guy as a guy on the guys problem

02:49:12.880 the girls have it easy because the guys are so easy i'm sorry that's that's the bottom line like easy

02:49:18.080 if they're yeah they're like if the girls are so easy and if they we text them like that and

02:49:22.640 the guy's response to yeah i'll be over that's like that's his own issue like yeah that's you're

02:49:27.840 we should we should let's do a role play we're gonna do a role play did you guys bring the mic

02:49:31.520 madison you don't have the mic fail um okay we'll do a role play here at the table so i'm gonna pretend

02:49:37.600 to be a chick my name's brianna um who am i who's gonna be the uh who's gonna try to be a dude and

02:49:43.840 hit on me let's see um you're gonna do it go ahead like a normal dude like how a dude would hit on me

02:49:52.000 you're you're the dude what's your name again mira okay your name is myron okay

02:50:00.480 am i role-playing as if like i how i want a guy to hit on me or how a guy usually you're you're putting

02:50:06.160 yourself in the dude shoes i'm a girl you're a guy you're trying to get at me let's see the game

02:50:12.480 okay so what's the context give us the scenario um bar like a bar or a club at a bar do you

02:50:21.280 you've been to a bar before no but i'm just role playing right now okay cool all right we're at a

02:50:26.000 bar hey can i buy you a drink oh sure okay what would you like sex in the city sex in the city

02:50:35.840 that's a good one um so are you from here yeah yeah do you go to school or are you graduated

02:50:46.320 i go to school what school do you go to cc or uc i i go to um wait what's i go to what's the the

02:50:55.120 christian one westmont thank you madison westmont yeah is that a is that a high school or a college

02:51:01.520 it's a college a college but what's your major equestrian equestrian that's hello that's hella cool

02:51:08.720 what i always wanted to ride horses yeah

02:51:17.280 i mean like how many horses do you have any horses three three horses

02:51:21.920 that's crazy do you ride them often yeah yeah yeah you know like tuesdays and thursdays

02:51:31.600 tuesdays and thursdays could you take me one of those days i'd always want to learn oh uh i guess

02:51:37.280 i may uh i don't know maybe it's okay you don't opt dude don't worry okay okay

02:51:41.520 okay okay antsy some original content here brian yeah where'd you get that crazy

02:51:51.840 it's almost like that's how it is it's almost like we're role-playing another person within this

02:51:55.680 table what do you mean what do you mean oh you're saying i'm trying to be okay

02:52:01.680 okay is that it are you done that's all i mean how much do you want credit i'll give you a little

02:52:09.760 credit at least you were able to um keep the conversation up yeah i mean how much do you

02:52:16.240 from that all right she has game if she had if she was a man she'd slay she'd kill it

02:52:20.960 you'd get all the bitches if you were a dude hell yeah don't ask someone in a bar if they're in high

02:52:27.360 school though i mean i guess it's better to clarify sooner rather than later i'm not gonna lie

02:52:34.000 let's have you do it okay oh shit okay um so i'm brianna where are we the bar you guys don't know

02:52:43.200 here i'm at the trader joe's trader joe's yep okay trader joe's okay

02:52:47.760 hey what's your name

02:52:56.880 becky becky what are you what that's how girls do that you just switched your name you were brianna

02:53:05.040 a second ago it was actually it was actually brianna oh hi what what are you up to becky

02:53:11.120 fucking shopping okay i'll be serious i'll be serious um oh you know just get my groceries yeah

02:53:21.680 you're from around here yeah yeah

02:53:29.840 so what's your what's your favorite food item from trader joe

02:53:33.360 oh um i really like their filet mignons

02:53:42.160 oh

02:53:47.040 literally i've never done that he's not going

02:53:48.880 you've never done this no i've never flirted with anybody

02:53:53.840 does trader joe's even have

02:53:55.120 come on um you got it here i'm gonna help you i'm gonna okay yeah yeah okay ask me what my major

02:54:05.760 is what's your major dance oh shoot you'll have to teach me sometime

02:54:14.640 okay

02:54:14.880 isn't your major dance yeah he threw you a layup say mine oh my gosh i i do too wait

02:54:26.480 do you have like a focus in dance what style are you flexible at this point as a man i'd be like

02:54:36.640 okay she's freaking weird she doesn't know how to communicate maybe english is in her first language

02:54:41.440 on to the next yeah i'm not gonna lie brian

02:54:46.240 you're not that you're not a really good girl

02:54:48.320 that's how it is

02:54:49.360 no no it's not

02:54:51.040 maybe a bitch but like

02:54:52.560 yeah that's how it is majority of women are not like that when you approach that maybe it's the

02:54:57.440 girls you're going after because i've never met

02:55:00.880 brianna's major cannot be communication

02:55:04.320 if you if you like step to a girl at a bar or club or whatever like

02:55:07.840 the burden of conversation the burden of initiative is on the person who's initiating

02:55:13.040 the conversation so you can't just like go up and be like hey how's it going and expect the

02:55:17.920 person who you're approaching to carry the conversation it's going to be like 90 10.

02:55:21.760 yeah brian but hey that's how girls that's how girls be

02:55:26.160 no they're not

02:55:27.040 girls are not

02:55:27.760 if someone is like that they clearly don't want to talk to you

02:55:32.880 yeah and like yes the burden of starting the conversation and helping keep the conversation

02:55:37.760 flow going yes probably falls on the guys 90 of the time at least but not if a girl's like oh

02:55:45.760 not if she starts the conversation yes i'm sorry brian you have to have basic conversational skills

02:55:50.800 to get laid like that is a human trait like i'm sorry yeah if you are but if she was a dude

02:55:56.880 you can't have if she was a dude okay if she was a dude she probably would fail i'm not gonna i'm

02:56:00.080 not gonna lie but but you're you need to work on how you your social skills that's nothing that's

02:56:05.920 like a i would say like you're probably weird overall yeah because even when mira was rizzing

02:56:11.600 you up you were the same thing and she was keeping it going really well so like that's

02:56:15.200 at that point it's like seen because i was like if i was a dude i would not pursue this person exactly

02:56:20.240 yeah i would be out too but like that's that that is something sometimes a scenario where you can

02:56:25.040 overcome well that's why i kept trying to ask you questions okay she moved on in her life like she tried

02:56:30.400 going to do didn't go how she expected he's an asshole or whatever she would be not i'm just

02:56:33.760 not gonna sit there and cry that wasn't a good representation of the majority of women yeah

02:56:38.800 probably gonna be going up to it at a bar or some sort of public outing yeah you're gonna and if that

02:56:43.840 is then that's crazy if you're the initiator as a guy like for probably the the extent of the entire

02:56:52.240 conversation you are going to have the burden of performance the burden of initiative the burden of

02:56:57.440 carrying the conversation is going to be on you yes but don't answer back she's likely not going

02:57:01.680 to respond in only one word or not even more just like yeah exactly and like if that's happening

02:57:08.080 though like you should be able to recognize that off of the first two sentences that's when you wrap

02:57:11.280 it up and you're like okay you know nice meeting you whatever exactly but you might here's the thing

02:57:15.280 though as a guy you might encounter three five ten of those kind of interactions in a row yes no you

02:57:22.800 won't prove it go out then either you smell bad let's take whatever on the street you have to

02:57:30.720 take a look at yourself and be like you are giving off some type of energy then like uh you're either

02:57:36.160 one shooting out of your leak okay two you yeah either smell bad have bad breath don't put yourself

02:57:42.080 together like there's a reason why that's happening five times in a row that's not a one-off time maybe

02:57:46.640 no that's like the automatic i would say for like most women that's actually like if they're if they have

02:57:52.160 and it's different now because we're dating apps and shit but like if you have experience going out

02:57:57.520 to these social environments and you've been hit on already five times in the night the

02:58:01.440 fucking six guy that steps to you like you're not gonna give him that kind of energy you are gonna

02:58:07.360 be on the defensive a little bit you are gonna be a little uh closed off a little bit he is gonna

02:58:12.720 have to break through that's why i said it might happen every once in a while but majority of women

02:58:16.800 aren't getting approached six times in a night so yeah you might you might hit that one girl who's at

02:58:21.440 her threshold and she doesn't want it to happen that's why i said it could happen on a one-off

02:58:24.800 but five times in a row you're you're it's you you're the problem then if it's happening five

02:58:30.160 times yeah i think i like would only respond in that way if i ever felt like uncomfortable that's

02:58:36.320 it if it was any other person even if like i don't know it's just common courtesy to have a conversation

02:58:42.800 the girl you represented had like some sort of social disorder yeah but like the girl you

02:58:47.360 represented would not be at a bar to be honest that's the exact kind of woman that you would

02:58:52.640 encounter at a bar you are going to the wrong bars yeah well i don't go i when i was you don't go out

02:58:59.760 anymore so yeah when i was younger i was getting this from the guys in the comments yeah that's what

02:59:05.760 no no no it's not even that you have one group of men that you pull your information well i can say

02:59:09.840 this chronically online i can say this like i started dating before there were dating apps before so

02:59:15.600 really even social media like if you wanted to meet somebody you had to like go out and do approaches

02:59:20.800 and you're telling me that was happening to you five times in a row no it wasn't but like well

02:59:25.440 actually you know what definitely there would be times where it's like you'd go up to a girl and

02:59:30.720 it's not like it's really not as easy as you think it is and like you might go like five ten in a row

02:59:37.440 where it's just like sure well we're not saying it's easy like but we're not saying it's that hard what

02:59:42.720 you just portrayed because yeah they might talk to you back but they still won't be interested in

02:59:46.720 you but they're not going to go mm-hmm they're not going to do that you'd be surprised and it's

02:59:52.880 yeah that's that's what it comes down to and you're not a good like you're just not good at

02:59:56.000 that that's not your thing there's other avenues to meet people meet someone that you already know

03:00:00.160 meet someone through me to a friend meet someone that you don't have to do that first yeah okay

03:00:03.760 so beyond beyond just the initial interaction that that's sort of in person i mean i can take it even

03:00:09.600 beyond that look at dating apps the guy even in the context of dating apps the guy's going to

03:00:14.960 have to carry the burden of the conversation the guy's going to have to message first so i mean we

03:00:20.000 can we can have a discussion of oh brian that wasn't a really realistic portrayal of how most women are

03:00:25.600 going to react to being approached i mean as a guy if you do enough approaches like you are gonna

03:00:32.400 encounter these kind of like super disinterested cold you know rejection's a part of life like that's

03:00:39.600 yeah i'm not saying that most women are going to be like i'm not saying that women are going to be

03:00:46.080 attracted to your interested but they're not going to respond in the exact way that you did

03:00:51.680 sure perhaps it's leaning a little bit more towards like a bit cold shoulder a little bit but

03:00:57.280 i mean i would also just sure i would add like okay you look at dating apps i mean this idea that

03:01:01.840 oh well it's pretty equalized on the dating apps look at bumble bumble's a dating app where the woman has

03:01:06.400 to message first but as a guy who's on bumble for years and i can tell you 90 of first messages

03:01:12.400 were it was hey from the girl yeah now and then it immediately it's a very token level of initiative

03:01:19.360 that women have to take they basically send hey and then they immediately shift the conversational

03:01:24.960 burden on to you if i as the guy if i never took the steps to be like carry the conversation a little

03:01:31.040 bit cool do you want to meet up you want to grab a drink this weekend like when it comes to moving

03:01:37.440 when it comes to moving the interaction forward whether that's asking for the number asking for

03:01:42.240 the date and then once on the date okay moving things forward to going for the first kiss etc like

03:01:47.840 that burden of initiative is almost exclusively always going to fall on the man so you have a

03:01:51.920 problem with courting the whole courting aspect that our society has always had for ever and ever and

03:01:57.280 ever it's not i was gonna ask you the same thing if you're like resentful that women get approached

03:02:01.840 so much and like men that don't when it's been like that it's forever since forever and it's like

03:02:07.200 that's how our society kind of sets it up but that's the reason why men propose to us like that's just

03:02:11.680 kind of how everything is set up to be and yes like men scream about this all the time but like i don't

03:02:18.240 think they would want a society where it was the other way yeah i'm sure men would love men would love

03:02:24.640 if women were just trying to you know what i mean they'd be like then they don't want women with

03:02:29.280 high body counts you don't want anyone you say that but you don't really mean it because if it was

03:02:33.200 like my dms are open all of your guys's concepts conflict each other like they don't work together

03:02:38.720 hi brian hi i i'm dtf what's up maybe don't be that just be like what's up yeah you don't even have

03:02:45.440 to be that aggressive just you know whatever well i mean if the roles are flipped in a term of

03:02:50.240 romantic and sexual life then they're flipped through all life like if we're talking like the

03:02:55.040 business life oh well okay now we're getting life well they wouldn't want everything that comes with

03:03:00.640 uh there being a flip in the power like they they want that goes off the whole diet like the dominant

03:03:06.560 dynamic protector like you know that throws off everything you guys trad wife hope and dream of

03:03:12.560 so i don't think you're saying what you guys actually valid well look i mean we're we're getting

03:03:17.040 a bit into hypothetical territory what if all these things flipped and women were the initiators

03:03:22.800 and women were like pursuing men en masse for sex like that's never gonna happen that's not a thing

03:03:29.360 i mean i've seen it's like i'm not i would say the numbers there's more men than women but they are out

03:03:35.280 there and those are the ones you have to find okay i've seen my friend text a dude that they're not

03:03:39.200 they're not dating hey what are you doing it's like 2 a.m the girl would say to the guy try to

03:03:45.200 fuck trying to come over like that happens it it it does happen yeah it happens especially now during

03:03:51.520 this whole like you guys say hookup culture empowerment of girls randomly hooking up with

03:03:55.920 it so yeah i don't understand which one it is it's women are sleeping with everybody don't know how to

03:03:59.680 close their legs or men can't find anybody to sleep with and they are all involuntary celibate

03:04:05.600 because it's so hard to get a woman like i i don't know which one it is those are two very conflicting

03:04:12.240 statements word well i'm trying to remember that means i won

03:04:21.520 i honestly i was just checked out i wasn't even it was just

03:04:24.080 oh yeah you just had no rebuttal i have a rebuttal there's rebuttal there are there are rebuttals

03:04:32.000 there are rebuttals there's many rebuttals tons of rebuttals are there rebuttals that aren't

03:04:36.640 hypothetical are they valid well what what's your primary argument that you guys are complaining

03:04:42.320 about things that exist but not to the extent that you guys think they do and you guys are

03:04:49.200 asking for things to change but you wouldn't really like it if there was i agree but okay so i guess

03:04:54.400 the whole kind of what i'm trying to get at though is is you're saying well brian you're complaining and

03:04:59.040 i guess what i'm just trying to point out is i think both men are and excuse me both men and women

03:05:04.320 are very dissatisfied with the current dating landscape um and i think there's certain there's

03:05:10.880 differences women are upset about it for certain reasons men are upset about it for certain reasons

03:05:15.360 what i think what i think is happening though is that men there are men that are just totally zeroed

03:05:23.680 out of the dating marketplace now you could say well women aren't desirous of like it's not something

03:05:29.920 women want is casual sex but like when it comes to loneliness i mean we can make an argument that

03:05:35.040 like men are the ones who are encountering like genuine loneliness to the point that they don't even

03:05:40.960 get a drop of attention from women they can't even get a date they can't get a text back they can't get

03:05:47.200 anything whereas a woman she could be overweight unattractive and could get laid we had a girl on the show

03:05:54.240 granted she she's a self-confessed sex addict but she was i'm not trying to be mean to her

03:06:02.640 unremarkable woman right she was overweight and she was saying yeah i was uh i was

03:06:07.920 fucking like six dudes a day those are okay we have to recognize her but her her male looks equivalent

03:06:15.200 like you put her male body overweight not not attractive that guy is struggling to even get a text

03:06:24.000 back the i think what we also see here is there's women too who are you know involuntary celibate

03:06:30.160 who struggle as well yes there is yes there is a woman cannot be involuntarily celibate yes she can

03:06:36.960 nope yeah because she has standards just because she has standards that's not involuntarily yes it is

03:06:41.280 because you wouldn't sleep with like you know the the homeless man on the corner that's voluntarily

03:06:46.240 celibate i mean to the extent of you there okay could we have to go in more into definition of what we

03:06:51.280 make involuntary whatever that's not the point well celibate has to do with sex but if she wants

03:06:55.200 a relationship okay that's the right would the guy sleep with the homeless girl on the street

03:06:59.680 possibly honestly that's why it makes it a little bit different on what we consider involuntary but

03:07:06.640 my overall point though is well okay but even if you remove homeless people let me finish the reason why

03:07:14.240 we see this though more for we see women who break through this barrier than men because it's mostly men who

03:07:20.880 have kinks right so a lot of those i'm not joking a lot of these a lot of these men not to discredit

03:07:28.000 her i'm sure she's a beautiful woman who still has men who want her for her but a lot of these men

03:07:32.400 mike davis donated 100 women have it on easy mode because you simps set the settings on that mode

03:07:40.080 i look at most women like a corpse walking entirely irrelevant i'm married to the money the only broads i can

03:07:47.840 handle are those who don't speak the same language thank you mike davis for you anyways is he sure

03:07:55.920 he's not gay that sounds like a him problem wait mike davis she is saying that you are a gay man confirm

03:08:01.840 or deny are you if you if he all i have to say is if you hate women that much that you can't even stand

03:08:07.920 to hear them talk that might be a you issue wait okay kiko go ahead with your oh wow okay brandon

03:08:14.800 melz donated 99 fr bribe been single for almost a year now and the only notifications i get on my

03:08:23.040 phone are ios updates yo okay brandon melz he's been on the show we we have were you there pre of the day

03:08:31.520 that brandon was yeah brandon's been on the show and um it's because you're confused like a normal

03:08:38.080 no it's not it's not because of that it's not because of that it is there's not a correlation

03:08:42.640 to keep consuming it but that if anything what's happening on our hookup culture this red pill blue

03:08:46.640 pill shit is this is really hindering men and how they think they should react and treat and speak to

03:08:52.080 women is not helping them get any any further in a positive way they're declining because men like

03:08:59.200 brandon are watching men like mike davis who just commented saying how he can't he doesn't even

03:09:03.360 listen to women he just looks at us as objects they are internalizing all of that and and it's

03:09:09.360 we're seeing it and play out on their dating life just how we saw i don't know if you guys saw the

03:09:12.560 video or know who sneeko is and these random kids run up to him in a baseball game and they're

03:09:17.120 literally like 12 year old little boys and they're like yeah fuck women fuck all women we hate women

03:09:21.440 like kill women kill all women like that's and sneeko hold on sneeko disavows it he says no we love

03:09:28.160 women and he looked really shocked he looked disgusted because he finally realized oh

03:09:32.160 shit the stuff i'm saying online is actually having an effect on the youth and how they are

03:09:36.640 thinking things are true especially because during covid these kids during covid who lost

03:09:41.280 detrimental years in social development who are stuck at home and just reading and watching all

03:09:46.320 of this crap now have this whole image of how the world is and it's false and it's made up by these

03:09:52.480 red pill but okay you you need to you need to cite something that someone has said

03:09:59.520 mike davis he just said it he just paid 100 plus dollars to say it on here in front of everybody

03:10:03.840 but he's not like that was 10 seconds ago he's not some like uh andrew tate well we can get into

03:10:09.280 some andrew tate stuff but with the sneeko thing really quick 13 year like 13 year old boys are like

03:10:15.840 the biggest fucking trolls ever like yeah but they are you know how impressionable their minds are

03:10:21.200 they're edge lords they're gonna say some like ridiculous shit thank god i didn't have

03:10:25.760 fucking social media when i was 13 because i would have been saying dumb shit obviously the social

03:10:30.240 climate but i don't remember when i was 13 little the boys in my class going around saying

03:10:34.480 fuck woman we hate all women kill all women that was never happening that's a very dangerous

03:10:38.240 mindset to start developing but you're taking one interaction with this kid coming up to sneeko being

03:10:44.960 like it was three of them maybe okay it's three that's not representative of the millions of

03:10:50.560 of boys that are out there yes but it's i'm i'm it's you can't discredit though the effect it's

03:10:56.320 having on people you said to give us a specific example i just gave you one that's not that's not

03:11:02.240 evidence because but in the evidence you were saying that while these red pill guys they're they're

03:11:06.720 teaching all this stuff sneeko in the video disavows and said but i don't think that yes we love

03:11:13.120 women but that's not what he's saying when he's up while they're on fresh and fit the things that's

03:11:16.240 coming out of his mouth are very different what is he saying i can't i don't really watch the

03:11:19.520 content but i'll see i'll see it every once in a while okay some pretty insane things or zirka

03:11:24.400 how about zirka john zirka is a professional troll okay but he's a troll these 13 year old boys do

03:11:30.240 not understand that they can't conceptualize that that's content for 18 years like i think that content

03:11:35.840 is for 18 years and older but a lot of them weren't it's it's yes 18 plus is consuming it but

03:11:41.840 we can't stop the other ones and even 18 year old what was the 13 year old boys out there what

03:11:47.600 was the original thing what was the original conversational threat i want to return to that

03:11:52.000 we i have a question do you think andrew tate and like all of them are teaching like

03:11:56.480 bad things about women do you think so yeah you know what we have a video nick can you pull up a

03:12:01.680 tape video yeah i mean i think some of the things that andrew tate says is good like when he tells

03:12:06.160 men to get in the gym and you know who are sad to focus on themselves and things like that i think

03:12:10.240 it's very helpful he literally teaches men the way that they to make money is to basically be a pimp

03:12:15.760 to pimp out women for their own benefit we're not gonna get into the like that's not okay that's not

03:12:20.000 good but that's an important part of who he is as a person and if that is who he is as a person and

03:12:25.600 that is your role model that is clearly going to have a negative effect on young men who are on the

03:12:31.520 internet and they are lonely like you said and so they're looking for this sense of comfort where

03:12:36.720 do they go oh they see this guy who is hooking up with all of these women and he's telling them

03:12:42.960 well this is what you gotta do like this is exactly what's going to get you women it is not going to

03:12:47.680 get you women acting like that acting like a big old misogynist is not going to get you women if

03:12:53.840 you know what maybe it'll get you some maybe you'll get lucky and there'll be some woman who doesn't

03:12:58.160 care get you a pearl you can get yourself a pearl i don't think he does that i think actually he

03:13:02.960 like tells women to raise their standards so men cannot start acting more like men and not like

03:13:08.000 simps like that's what he seems though he doesn't really direct his conversations okay we could

03:13:12.480 probably have a very long-winded conversation about tate and all the things he said and done

03:13:16.800 etc tate's my biggest thing tate's the donald trump of red pill sphere he saw a place he saw a way to make

03:13:23.280 money he saw a industry of lonely men and saw a way to market off of them and that's exactly what

03:13:28.160 he's doing just like how trump saw he could do that to the republicans is that same thing tate is

03:13:33.040 a response tate is a response to the it's a pendulum swing swinging the other way response to what you

03:13:39.120 have you have like in you're talking about misogyny you have this insane misandry in society where

03:13:45.440 there's hatred yeah i know you're you're fucking smiling and smirking there's an insane hatred and

03:13:50.960 contempt of men in society i i don't okay men men no longer i mean it's you you often talk about

03:13:58.640 portrayals in the media for example how often is it the case that men are portrayed as like the dummy

03:14:03.600 in all these like mainstream social media as you look at any commercial it's the dumb goofy

03:14:08.160 husband and then the wife oh he's making all the decisions and blah blah there's these really negative

03:14:13.280 portrayals in men look at any sitcom in the past 20 years you go back to friends you go back to

03:14:18.160 seinfeld there are no good representations of strong masculine like good masculine men

03:14:25.440 so but okay and then when it comes to the the misandry you basically have feminism which is

03:14:30.560 seeped into pretty much every sort of system in this country you if look at universities for example

03:14:36.880 right every single university has a woman's studies and uh gender studies a feminist studies program

03:14:42.400 women's studies ucsb has a woman's studies program uh gender studies okay maybe they changed it used

03:14:49.040 to be women's or feminist studies they have a we have a feminist okay there's a feminist studies in

03:14:53.600 every single university in this country i think we can all argue that the upper edge excuse me the higher

03:14:59.440 education system in this country it is a system with billions of dollars of endowment and funding from

03:15:06.160 the government from from donors right every single uh every single university college has this

03:15:13.520 basically indoctrination factory of hating men no i could see the argument how we are starting to

03:15:20.480 indoctrinate a lot of racism and things like that i've seen that but when it comes to men i don't have

03:15:24.720 any classes what do you mean feminism women studies gender studies is basically like it's basically

03:15:31.440 oppressor oppressor class oppressed it says women are and that's feminist we're not all taking

03:15:37.760 feminist studies though the people who are taking those classes probably already have those

03:15:41.440 predisposed i think it's a requirement at ucsb like one class no it is not you have to take like

03:15:48.640 one gender studies no you do not i have never it doesn't matter in any case it doesn't matter

03:15:56.000 you have to take sociology you have to take

03:15:58.000 no you don't i'm a math major i'm not going to be taking i went to ucsb four years you don't have

03:16:03.520 to take like the uh what's it called the gen ed gen ed is not part of the one like the one that

03:16:10.080 it doesn't matter you're saying it doesn't it would be considered american history that those courses

03:16:14.640 fall under like our american history interpret discipline or whatever course yeah it's not you're

03:16:19.280 not required at all to take a single gender studies course you have a select list of classes that

03:16:22.960 you can choose from yeah none of them have it's offered to gender studies and there's not many that

03:16:27.680 are offered either i'm sure for a specific major it is required but feminist studies is the only

03:16:32.640 major that's required yeah and sociology you take a sociology course okay but we're sitting okay fine

03:16:37.360 it's not a requirement at ucsb to take a feminist studies class in any case it does nothing liberal

03:16:43.440 school it does nothing to refute my point that in every single university and college in this country

03:16:48.240 there is a gender studies a feminist studies et cetera program yeah what's wrong with that right which

03:16:54.240 is basically and and but not only that like the whole okay most universities probably lean a bit

03:16:59.200 more liberal there's a feminist indoctrination related to universities uh let's see media institutions

03:17:05.520 news institutions government institutions are steeped in this feminist thought not really because most of

03:17:11.200 our things are written by men like that's literally we have to hr departments are almost entirely staffed

03:17:16.000 by women those are the people that are going to be hiring i'm saying our education system majority of the

03:17:19.680 books we are reading majority of the content we are consuming is written by men that's why we have a

03:17:24.480 very short list we literally it was what does that if it's about if it's about some sort of if we're

03:17:28.880 learning everything written by men then men are the ones who are deciding what we're learning so how is

03:17:32.800 it woman why would they what does it what does it matter if we're talking about math which is math is

03:17:38.160 undisputed you cannot there's no opinions on that math is fact physics is fact does does the reality of

03:17:44.800 what math is or what physics is or what chemistry is change because a man wrote the textbook what i'm

03:17:50.080 saying at all i'm saying you were saying that our our education system is indoctrinating us to hate

03:17:55.520 men but i'm saying the things that we learn in the university is mostly written by men so you go to

03:18:00.640 school you go to university men are the oppressor women are oppressed there's a patriarchy

03:18:06.720 what you go you go to you go to a liberal university you go like we literally it was a requirement only

03:18:13.840 once throughout my whole like four years of high school we had one little section where it was like

03:18:18.080 we read books that weren't written by white men like that's it's a very known thing that majority

03:18:22.080 of our education system is written by white men so i don't understand how it would be indoctrinating us

03:18:26.720 to hate men when we are learning what they off of what they wrote and their discoveries just to tack

03:18:32.000 on to that i also think it's delusional to pretend like misandry is so prevalent and also even if it was

03:18:39.200 super prevalent that it's equivalent to misogyny and most of those women are lesbians and stuff

03:18:44.400 anyways yeah there's a very like on that spectrum of like feminists there's a very far like they're

03:18:50.000 on every like problem there's always a very far spectrum that you're kind of making seem like

03:18:54.880 generalized yeah some girls think like that but that's on every a controversial topic there's

03:18:59.680 always those people that are very that's the mainstream no it is not the mainstream

03:19:03.600 that's like the mainstream no no no no the mainstream narrative binary all that no this

03:19:08.560 is not how most women think this is mainstream narrative there's the patriarchy men are oppressors

03:19:13.120 women are oppressed this is like mainstream feminism this is not like radical feminism that is what

03:19:18.960 they teach in university in classes most women aren't third-wave feminists that's the thing we're

03:19:23.360 trying to tell you though if you're if you're a liberal woman you're probably going to consider

03:19:26.480 yourself a feminist i yes but feminism is is a range to most women what they consider feminism

03:19:32.800 isn't hating men yeah what is radical what is feminism explain to me what feminism equality

03:19:38.320 between genders yeah but it's not but it's not that's what it's not that's feminism you're going

03:19:44.000 off of radical feminism that's not that's like the blue-haired freaking like destiny fans maybe

03:19:50.160 but that's not the majority of women do not even live a woman wait do you think feminism is is

03:19:56.000 equality yes that is what it is that's what it was originally originally it was but not originally

03:20:03.520 but now it's been like construed into this different thing but that's by people that believe that because

03:20:08.240 if you're like saying like oh women deserve more rights or more power then you're going

03:20:12.320 back until the argument that like men have the power yeah so women actually we have a lot of rights

03:20:16.720 that men don't have yeah in a lot of things which i just want like anything like if you go to a

03:20:22.160 court you're going to have more rights than a man yeah like for what like if a kid if you're

03:20:26.960 if you're a divorce the kid mostly goes with them all there is a bias in the family court system and

03:20:32.400 also i mean if we're talking about disproportionate if we're talking about you know you often hear

03:20:37.840 if okay if we're talking about disproportional sentencing men are more likely to get convicted

03:20:42.160 and face uh higher longer um prison sentences they want versus what they actually respond to is a

03:20:49.280 whole different story listen to mike davis never ask the fish how to fish you ask the fisherman as

03:20:54.800 an alpha trust that to get women you have to treat them like the garbage they are i love what my

03:20:59.760 boyfriend yeah that is terrible hold on mike davis you are not helping my fucking case exactly and what

03:21:05.760 happens is that i understand about the mainstream uh media that you're talking about that's exactly what

03:21:10.320 they're trying to do they're trying to put andrew tate and trump in a terrible position if you really

03:21:15.520 like go in and look at the videos of them speaking it will change your perception completely of them

03:21:23.040 you've seen like a lot of his videos because i see a lot of them and i'm like wow like i wish

03:21:27.120 a lot of his videos is the thing why would i need to continue watching this content where he's like

03:21:32.640 clearly grifting just to get views and clicks and it's just it's a lot of it is um this asking

03:21:42.000 women about their body count it's making women feel less than it is it is degrading he's not

03:21:47.920 talking about that yes he is here we'll pull up a video do you see andrew tate when he goes and

03:21:52.160 does these interviews with other men like do you watch those i've seen it i've seen it a lot

03:21:58.880 we can react to an andrew tate video later let's just come back really quick and then i'm gonna i need

03:22:03.360 to read a couple chats so let's talk feminism really quick uh so feminism is about equality yes wait

03:22:11.520 feminine feminism is equality is that what you're saying who is feminism about equality between men

03:22:19.360 and women to me and what i've learned and what a lot of people around me that i think have learned

03:22:24.640 is it's about equality it's about equality between women and men because for thousands of years

03:22:29.840 patriarchy has been a very prominent thing and i don't think anyone's going to disagree with that

03:22:33.440 yeah you're that's the non-radicalized ideal of feminism that majority of women hold they're not

03:22:39.440 majority of women aren't radical feminists like they're not it's a radical proposition to suggest

03:22:44.240 that the history of the relationship between men and women is one of oppressor and one of oppressed

03:22:49.840 if you start teaching women that they've been

03:23:07.360 on oh yeah okay it's gone i really yeah all right let me hold on i'm gonna ban that guy really quick um

03:23:17.840 fuck uh and it's probably it's probably fine okay liam come on man don't don't uh do stuff like that

03:23:24.960 um we just tos um okay okay i that really interrupted what i was trying to say it's really harmful for

03:23:33.840 women to constantly hear and this argument goes for a lot of different social movements especially today

03:23:39.280 it's really harmful to constantly tell women that they've been oppressed and men have traditionally been

03:23:45.680 the oppressors on a like on a large scale because it's just generally not true you have bad people

03:23:50.640 in pretty much every like every aspect of life but it's not true on a large scale that men are constantly

03:23:57.840 or have in history constantly oppressed women how is it not true when feminism exists because we didn't

03:24:02.240 have the right to vote we had literally no rights so how is it not true that if there was a patriarchy

03:24:08.800 today yes i would say things are a lot more even today but you're telling me there's no patriarchy but

03:24:13.840 we've had what 50 49 different presidents and our system was built off patriarchy yeah so don't say

03:24:20.320 that we haven't we didn't even get to say no i'm not i'm not saying that on i'm not saying that there

03:24:25.520 haven't been certain you said it's not necessarily true no i didn't know i'm not i'm saying that in

03:24:31.520 like a in a like a like a comparable men and women relationship men like in relationships we're not

03:24:39.360 oppressing women on a global sentence okay yes like legally that's why feminism first wave feminism

03:24:44.880 i completely agree with anything after that i do not agree with i'm glad that we have equal legal

03:24:48.960 rights as like as to men but i do not think that men and women are um like completely tradable in

03:24:56.560 pretty much all aspects of life which is no but that's what women like that's what feminism today

03:25:00.720 portrays is that i've been saying this whole time is that not many people actually the amount of people

03:25:05.600 who you think believe that is just the people online that you see the ones who have the influence

03:25:10.160 online of that trait i'm trying to tell you the general population like if you believe that as

03:25:15.280 women are not people a feminist most women say they're a feminist because it sounds like you're

03:25:19.440 against women to say you're not but we're not saying we're a radical third-wave feminist we're

03:25:22.800 mostly talking about the work that our ancestors and others did to get us where we are today like yeah

03:25:28.400 you can acknowledge that the fact that like we couldn't vote we couldn't go to school we couldn't do all

03:25:32.720 that stuff like that has been like established and that has been built up so women's have like

03:25:37.040 they've gotten those rights but you can't say that like oh there's no oppressor it hasn't always been

03:25:41.520 like that because it has and feminism isn't this thing now like oh like we want more rights like we

03:25:47.120 hate all men for like what they did like that's like that's not but isn't it a problem that that is

03:25:51.600 what you see in the mainstream media i'm not saying that that's the majority of women that believe that

03:25:55.120 but isn't that a problem that that's what don't you don't you think that the reason that mainstream media

03:26:00.320 is specifically choosing the most radical versions of this is to turn people against feminism in

03:26:06.000 general yeah well you're not seeing that for only feminism you're seeing it for basically every

03:26:09.840 other social movement and no absolutely the extremes are always what's portrayed on the internet and

03:26:14.320 that's never how yeah but the general population like us like picked off the street we all agree

03:26:21.040 yeah so and why but why why do you think even i'm saying like you say that that's so that's a good

03:26:27.040 point you bring up like but what how how does it hurt anybody because like it's not like women are

03:26:31.280 going out there killing men because of this oppression nothing's happening to men i think

03:26:34.960 it i think it hurts your interpersonal i think it hurts your interpersonal relationships but actually

03:26:39.040 there's kind of a long history of feminist terrorism andy warhol got killed by a feminist

03:26:45.680 who it's funny that you're actually the man getting murdered but okay well i'm i'm laughing because

03:26:51.680 that i want to hear the evidence that it was because he only because he was a man that she

03:26:58.640 was murdering him in the case of let's say even at uc santa barbara we have the i don't want to even

03:27:04.800 bring up his name but you know the incident oh don't help he'll switch it off real quick if you do

03:27:09.040 yeah you know the incident that i'm thinking of yes and yes all i have to say is when men are

03:27:16.880 misogynistic it is a lot more dangerous to women than when women like are man haters they're like

03:27:23.840 their man hating is just like internal and they don't really interact with them or they just don't

03:27:28.720 care but when a when a man violently hates women because he feels like he can't get laid and oh they

03:27:36.720 they owe me this they become violent and take it out on women and they will they will it's a very

03:27:43.280 very very very very small proportion of men who are struggling with dating but it's like

03:27:48.560 but the point is resort to violence the point is though woman being a man hater or radical feminist

03:27:54.960 does not usually incite any violence whereas when it goes on the other spectrum of men i never said

03:27:59.680 that that's when it becomes an actual actual issue of public yeah but but i think here's a here's a

03:28:06.480 difference a general difference between men and women so if like let's say two men have a conflict

03:28:11.280 it's more likely that that's going to result in some sort of physical violence whereas when two

03:28:15.520 women have uh conflict it's typically not going to get to the level of physical violence it's going to

03:28:21.760 be emotional violence though you're going to see reputation destruction you're going to see like

03:28:25.840 backstabbing you're going to see so we've criminalized uh we've criminalized men's primary

03:28:32.720 method of conflict resolution which in the past if two men have a conflict they'd fucking duel or fight

03:28:37.920 or something physically and then boom we fought cool we're done whereas with women we have not

03:28:43.120 criminalized the emotional violence that women are going to uh these ladies take up at all first to

03:28:50.160 this day women are not required for selective service men are or else we lose the right to vote second

03:28:58.080 women historically refused the right to vote because it came with conditions they did not want

03:29:03.280 no feminist is for selective service for anybody it doesn't matter it doesn't matter

03:29:11.600 it does matter feminists aren't saying like yeah men need to do the selective service and just not

03:29:16.320 women no we they have a problem with that too like you guys that's not what but but okay here's the

03:29:22.640 here's the difference is right when we're saying that feminism is about equality feminine feminism is

03:29:28.080 clearly not about equality feminism in its most generous if i can give it its most generous

03:29:34.560 definition is a woman's advocacy movement now there's nothing wrong with women's advocacy but

03:29:39.760 let's not sit here and lie that feminists will fight for equality if said equality comes to the

03:29:45.200 detriment of women for example equalizing the draft it would be equality to equalize the draft

03:29:52.160 but feminists are never going to fight for that equality they're not fighting for you only want

03:29:57.360 preferential you want uh you want benefits well for yourself that's what yeah that's something

03:30:03.360 that like a man i don't know man whatever you guys call it that's something that you guys should

03:30:07.840 handle feminist was focused on helping women i think it definitely got like misconstrued the

03:30:14.080 original meaning of like feminist like i don't think i would consider myself a feminist because i don't

03:30:18.560 know too much like obviously like i'm not like degrading yeah i'm just saying like i don't know much

03:30:23.920 about the movement itself like i'm just saying like feminist definitely has gotten misconstrued

03:30:28.320 especially the radicalness of like everything that's been happening but i think that like

03:30:33.200 generally someone a woman wouldn't like be like oh yeah she would want equal rights but she wouldn't

03:30:38.720 be like oh like kill all men like that's not like that is literally a hashtag though i know that is

03:30:44.400 that's that's that's a hashtag it's on social media but also can't you say the same thing i don't

03:30:49.120 think you guys were talking about earlier how the boys um went up and saying fuck women like that's

03:30:54.720 portraying just a small radical spectrum of the right wing yeah but like feminists are like you were

03:31:00.800 mentioning how you think it's not fair to group all feminists and like being crazy but it's on both

03:31:07.440 ends like good point yeah you like you selected radical it's the radical people are still talking

03:31:14.880 about feminism in 2023 i thought that joke expired actually i'm all about it let's get another women's

03:31:23.200 march going matter of fact let's do it every saturday so these plus size fatties can drop the

03:31:29.440 pounds and free the nipple mike davis that is a good point you guys brought up an outlier to make an

03:31:36.160 argument against the red pill community we can easily do that for feminism too my my point was

03:31:41.760 just specifically to um the media showing that i mean i'm not talking like i wasn't even mentioning

03:31:49.200 conservatives and that like type of thing like that wasn't what i was talking about what i was

03:31:53.920 talking about was specifically to the instance of like this whole all men or these um feminists are all

03:32:01.440 super radical like i'm saying specifically for that is that not selection bias like they are

03:32:09.680 specifically choosing things that would turn the average man against feminism like that is the point

03:32:16.000 that i was making i'm aware that they can do that for both sides like obviously but i just think that

03:32:23.040 you take the most radical feminist and yes she's saying kill all men she's not going out and stabbing men

03:32:29.680 you take the most radical uh woman hater he is he is quite literally i don't think that's fair

03:32:37.760 yeah so i don't think kill all men is a right thing to say at all but i don't think it's fair or like

03:32:44.560 to say it's right but the difference is what she's kind of trying to say is if you do a hashtag

03:32:49.760 kill all man men versus like those kids saying or a hashtag kill all woman what is actually possible

03:32:54.800 it would never be possible for women to go out and kill all men we would never have the means or

03:32:59.040 strength to do that what is possible is for men to go out and kill all women so that's why it is i'm

03:33:04.080 not saying it's right but you can't just say you can't just say kill all men because you don't mean

03:33:07.760 it like you can't physically and it loses respect one at a time go ahead you can go first my first

03:33:15.520 statement was i don't think it is right okay i'm not i don't think it's right yeah i'm not saying that they

03:33:20.240 are should be allowed to say something like that like it's just a joking matter but the reason why

03:33:24.400 i'm trying to clarify what she was saying is the reason why there is though a difference between

03:33:29.760 saying kill all men versus kill all women is because one is theoretically possible while the other

03:33:35.600 is it because if men want to team up if men want to team up and take out the woman species they could

03:33:41.520 they have the means to do so they are the ones in power i'm not saying what happened this is such a

03:33:45.760 hypothetical like it just doesn't even they have the strength definitely yeah i don't know if you

03:33:50.560 guys cannot deny that men if they wanted to i'm not saying it would happen but if they wanted to

03:33:54.720 they could cause severe harm on the woman species where vice versa is not possible unless we just

03:33:59.120 start poisoning our water system it is happening it is happening though it is happening are we talking

03:34:03.680 about plastics in the water system no i'm just saying like it's not it just i don't know it's a it's

03:34:09.600 what's it called um it's there's a terminology and philosophy for this why something can feel icky and it

03:34:14.640 could be exactly reversed and not feel icky anymore it's because okay okay so just trying to bring

03:34:20.400 things back here really quick so when it comes to the whole feminism it's about equality feminism is

03:34:25.760 not about equality it's a women's advocacy movement they will secure equality if said equality comes at

03:34:31.840 the benefit of women but they will not pursue equality in realms or scenarios where that equality does not

03:34:38.000 benefit women in some way so it's not really a true equality movement in the same way that like it would

03:34:43.840 be for egalitarianism because also like you you know i don't want to linger on this for too much

03:34:49.280 longer because we need to move on to a couple things but if you look at for example you often hear

03:34:53.760 arguments about the wage gap men get paid more money but like when when women are like trying to secure

03:35:00.320 these certain jobs or these certain fields you hear with stem i mean that's a whole nother conversation

03:35:06.080 but women are fight it's not about across the board equality women are fighting for the cushy safe air

03:35:13.120 conditioned office jobs the high-paying jobs you don't see like women in the streets yeah we want

03:35:19.120 for example like 90 there's all kinds of gaps there's a uh workplace death gap there's a workplace

03:35:27.120 injury gap 93 of workplace deaths are men that seems pretty bad why don't we equalize that

03:35:34.000 in terms of the type of labor that men and women go into in terms of physical labor it's much higher

03:35:44.640 for men to enter into those types of um careers compared to women and women are not fighting to

03:35:49.920 enter those biologically men and women are different but feminism can only exist when it comes to like

03:35:58.640 workplace equality you can only really have feminism when it's a stupid point when there's air-conditioned

03:36:04.880 offices it's a stupid stupid point no it's a legitimate because women aren't fighting for

03:36:10.400 bricklaying jobs first of all they are no no no hold on hold on let me just finish this when there's a

03:36:14.000 fucking gnarly storm and the electricity goes out and somebody has to go out there in the storm

03:36:19.680 at 2 a.m and it's snowing and it's below freezing it's gonna be a guy that's gonna go

03:36:25.600 no one is denying that there is biological differences between men and women do you that's

03:36:30.480 not how our system is built to stand that would mean that if okay we have a bunch of women who are

03:36:35.520 going into doing those careers are we gonna have a bunch of men now who want to become more teachers

03:36:39.760 nurses those more of those positions cleaners that the reason why our society is set up this way

03:36:44.640 because that's how it breaks down underscore love underscore you underscore but underscore underscore

03:36:49.920 wrong donated 99 he's got a point with this one seeing history as oppressive to women is the

03:36:54.720 opposite of reality history has better stilled women at the cost of men giving them access to

03:37:00.320 its resources without turning it men will always be ceos presidents and leaders because we must to earn

03:37:08.000 your love yo uh oh that's sweet so well this is this is actually it's a good let me let me just let me

03:37:15.760 just address this really quick um so he makes a good point so i would argue that when it comes to

03:37:22.480 the mating dance when it comes to courtship men are not particularly preoccupied with the resources that

03:37:28.080 women bring to a relationship so if women like you hear songs uh destiny we talked about this last stream

03:37:35.280 destiny's child bills bills bills tlc no scrubs uh what's the cardi b uh up i don't like broke men

03:37:42.400 don't get no pussy if this is the attitude that women have is it any surprise that there is a greater

03:37:47.760 mating pressure on men to achieve financially to achieve when it comes to their careers so that extra

03:37:54.240 pressure on men to uh to elevate themselves in the workplace is going to translate if there's a mating

03:38:02.560 pressure like if you as a guy can't get a date unless you're successful then doesn't it make

03:38:08.000 sense that men are going to or that men are more likely to occupy these higher positions of power

03:38:13.680 because it's a prerequisite for attracting women whereas the opposite is not the case i 100 agree i

03:38:19.600 have never seen a man turn down a woman because she is broke exactly exactly i would turn off i would

03:38:25.040 turn down a man for being broke 100 your guys's problem maybe you guys cared more about what the

03:38:30.000 profession of your wife was doing all i hear men say all on time all here yeah we don't care how

03:38:34.560 much my my woman makes i don't care how much her i don't care this i don't care that well maybe if

03:38:37.920 you guys cared a little bit more it'd be more of an even playing field so how about stop saying

03:38:45.840 that's not the role that they're providers they're the providers like what i i don't do anything to be

03:38:50.560 a housewife you know i i went to college and i regret it like that's my point of view it doesn't mean

03:38:55.200 that it's the correct thing i just want to make that clear it's just my point of view i wish i

03:38:59.680 didn't went to college i don't care about any of that i don't care about being the most smart i don't

03:39:03.760 care about any of that but that's the point though is that he's saying that he's the same men who want

03:39:08.880 these chad wives that they want to stay home are complaining that they have to get these jobs but

03:39:13.680 like if you want your wife to stay home and be a chad wife you'd have to have that career anyways

03:39:17.360 they're not complaining that they have to have these jobs he just said yes they're not complaining they

03:39:21.280 want to they want to like fight for being the best because they'll get the best he said it's not

03:39:25.760 fair that it's a men have to have a good career to be a predisposition no it's just the reality

03:39:31.360 yeah he's not saying that it's not fair he's just saying that that's the reality of how the

03:39:35.360 dynamics between men and women work and that's what women value is so he's not saying it's unfair

03:39:40.480 what's the point of bringing it up if he has no problem with it that that's a fact okay what's

03:39:44.240 the point no but no no but the fact like the the like basis behind it is because of the like the

03:39:50.320 patriarchy like that's that's the argument behind it is that the patriarchy is oppressing women that

03:39:55.520 means it's a patriarchy because if you're saying that we benefit off of that that means that you

03:39:58.800 guys don't see it as a real job to stay home with kids all day and have to be out there no that's

03:40:02.960 not that's not what anyone's saying at all it's not like women just to get to stay home and sit on

03:40:07.040 their ass because no no not at all it's an incredibly hard no it's a it's a really hard job actually and i

03:40:13.040 think feminism or i don't know like it's actually it's actually the feminist movement that said no

03:40:18.400 women like should work it's it's uh below you to be house mothers no it wasn't okay the reason why

03:40:25.600 that was happening was because women weren't allowed to work so they were getting married and then they

03:40:29.440 were getting harmed by their husband and had no out because they weren't allowed to work so that's

03:40:34.880 the real reason why you know of course if a woman is getting get so sorry if a woman is getting harmed

03:40:40.800 of course like leave that man that's why we have the right to work that's why we fought for the

03:40:44.800 right to work because before they couldn't leave that man because they had nothing to do they had

03:40:47.520 nowhere to go they had nowhere to but now we have the internet we have so many things that we can do

03:40:52.240 more easily thanks to men unfortunately thanks to men that women can have only fans and make so much

03:40:57.280 money like and make our jobs yeah and make our jobs way easier like feminism for me is just

03:41:04.080 but girls not working that was like history we've obviously evolved now and it's like it's your

03:41:10.160 choice like yeah if you're a girl and you want to have a job go have a job but in no way or shape or

03:41:14.320 form like is it shameful to be a housewife or like i think that's important and i think that's also

03:41:19.040 really needed and i never said that i don't know why that's even i never said that i want to be

03:41:23.680 close i don't know no but that's not feminism has portrayed that yeah look just yeah third wave

03:41:29.520 feminism crico crico crico okay look last thing on this look i just think that if we're teaching

03:41:35.360 this patriarchy theory men are oppressors men are men are oppressors women are oppressed i if you teach

03:41:41.120 someone that if you teach a whole gender that you are oppressed and the person to blame is this other

03:41:47.680 gender men you're not really teaching women to really look towards men and be like you're basically

03:41:55.120 teaching women to have contempt and hatred towards men maybe it doesn't extend all the way to hatred

03:42:01.200 but in some degree there's a narrative in your head like oh well historically your class as men your

03:42:07.600 group as classes as men oppressed us and we are oppressed how dare you if you okay if you're the

03:42:16.800 oppressed class are you supposed to feel any positive feelings towards the supposed oppressor

03:42:22.960 class no so that's like where i all like do all black people hate white people because we're taught

03:42:28.800 that they oppressed us no are there some that take it that way yes and that's with anything but that's

03:42:33.680 the victim mentality that gets you nowhere it just keeps you in that loop that it takes you literally

03:42:38.400 nowhere you know instead of grabbing let's say women instead of being like okay men are against me

03:42:45.040 let's see how i can with my like intelligence how can i get this to work for me who thinks that way

03:42:50.720 though in real life like get off the internet in real life i don't know a single woman who's like

03:42:54.160 men are against me i know some it's in every single university in this country patriarchy theory is

03:43:02.000 like mainstream feminism liberal ass school and i've never been taught that i think but you said you

03:43:07.360 didn't you said you didn't take like a feminist i have taken feminist cuts oh my they don't teach

03:43:10.960 patriarchy they from like the what was written but they didn't teach me i should hate men because

03:43:15.600 men are oppressing no but it's and this is what's going on no i wasn't taught that obviously they're

03:43:19.360 not going to say you should hate men they're not saying that but by extension by proxy if you start

03:43:26.640 basically preaching what is in essence a conspiracy theory that there's a uh this cabal of men this

03:43:32.960 conspiracy theory the patriarchy theory by the way theories are just that theories there's it doesn't mean

03:43:37.840 it's an actual thing you are again teaching women to view men as the oppressor class and to view

03:43:43.760 themselves and other women as oppressed again you cannot think positive things if you believe truly

03:43:51.280 that you are oppressed or that you are part of the oppressed class you cannot feel you cannot feel

03:43:56.880 positive positive things towards the oppressor class that's why he was saying like oh women want just

03:44:04.320 the best of the best like you know was i saying that i don't know no like women just want like

03:44:08.560 all the the goods and no no bads you know like and it's right to what i feel like women deal with a

03:44:13.920 lot more bullshit in relationships than men do we do we do deal a lot with a lot of yeah yeah no we do

03:44:18.800 deal with a lot of bullshit i i do understand that and like same with the like i don't know feminism

03:44:23.840 is very weird for me just because like i don't see like women supporting i don't know in women's

03:44:29.040 basketball like they have all this women's basketball and nobody watches it women should be there

03:44:34.000 supporting women and i don't see that at all and then they want the same wage pay as uh like the

03:44:40.240 i don't agree with that at all well to be honest like yes it's good to acknowledge last last thing

03:44:44.240 and i do have to move on okay it's good to acknowledge it happened like it's history we

03:44:47.680 can acknowledge it but we don't need to still be taught that like we are oppressed now yes we could

03:44:52.640 be oppressed in history but like i don't think that like nowadays or anything like that and back to

03:44:57.760 like that woman's nba like i'm a girl i would rather watch the nba than the woman's nba like i think

03:45:03.520 like everybody yeah that's why they make there's just some things that you'll never be able to

03:45:07.760 escape and like that's like i i that's just okay like it's just can we just that's my point that

03:45:14.320 most people can i say things like that that's literally my only point is that most people who

03:45:18.000 are might attach that name to them have the same beliefs that you do go ahead i think we're confusing

03:45:23.920 history in the present and we're getting them intertwined way too closely with how we speak on

03:45:28.240 certain subjects alvin sam donated 99 hey good to see you alvin sam kiko you are exemplifying why

03:45:34.560 women are better seen and not heard your boyfriend should sincerely reconsider his relationship with

03:45:40.480 you because you are a reflection of him you complain about the patriarchy but women expect men to lead

03:45:46.880 let that sink i i want my man to lead me what the hell are you talking about i said it's wrong to say

03:45:53.440 we never had a patriarchy in our world i'm not saying today that it still exists and we're still

03:45:58.320 oppressed the only thing i had an issue with is when she said that it's not true that there used

03:46:02.320 to be a patriarchy in i think there is a baby not you i'm talking about she was saying there and she

03:46:07.120 said she said something before that's how we got on this whole tangent that's my only point i i'm not

03:46:11.280 saying that we are super oppressed today and there's no equality in our system between men and women

03:46:15.360 that is not my point my point is you guys think that everyone is radical feminist which is just

03:46:20.480 not true like majority of feminists aren't radical their first wave and are just happy that we had

03:46:26.160 people to fight for our right to vote and our right to work and shit like that that's what most people

03:46:30.320 think of when they think of feminism they don't think about kill all men and i well i think patriarchy

03:46:35.920 theory is kind of a radical theory again you're you're pitting men today or that you're you're pitting

03:46:43.440 men and women against each other you're saying that men oppressed women when in reality it was powerful

03:46:48.720 people that oppressed poor people essentially powerful people both men and women because

03:46:53.360 men women had because no because no because you can't be you can't be powerful if you can't even

03:46:58.320 own land so how was a woman women could own women could own land well before we had the right to vote

03:47:03.680 women could yes women could own land and guess what it's it's different like people try to make

03:47:08.560 this comparison name one woman of power before woman had the right to vote name one woman who was in

03:47:12.640 power when there are but in america in america in america but you realize like when not when

03:47:18.720 there's whatever but you do realize you do realize the family unit right like men get married to women

03:47:25.200 and then they have children they have sons they have daughters okay so what's the what's your point

03:47:31.200 with that i don't i don't get your point i'm so serious like men being related to women does not make

03:47:37.200 them not dislike women or have uh internal like things or prejudice prejudices about them like if

03:47:45.920 you think women no i don't think men who are with with women are gonna hate the women that they're

03:47:50.800 around like yeah yeah i agree with that they're not gonna hate like their daughter they're not gonna

03:47:55.280 hate their mother but that doesn't mean that they don't hate other women maybe they don't like

03:48:01.200 hot take men are more oppressed than women i know didn't you just say we're not supposed to be

03:48:08.960 oppressed yeah it doesn't make sense that is in fact a hot take here let me here let me give you

03:48:16.160 one okay give us an example i'll give you one i'll give you one thing and i will genuinely i'll try to

03:48:20.880 move on from this you know but okay i'll give you one so let's say upon birth the first seven days of

03:48:27.120 life who is more oppressed men or women in the united states neither neither it's pretty equal

03:48:34.560 today i would say in the first seven days of birth yeah first seven days of birth because you know

03:48:40.240 you're you're a male or a female upon birth so i mean as a child i mean you're bored you're just

03:48:46.720 exist anybody any anybody who's more oppressed you mean like you mean like men with circumcision or

03:48:53.840 something like that yes upon birth it's so funny they laugh they laugh they think it's funny but

03:48:59.760 like okay yes even most men laugh at this wow like i i mean i'm so sorry i've honestly see how if

03:49:07.120 anything i've only met men who wish they were circumcised as a child and i've never met a man

03:49:12.240 it should be okay so it's okay so let's not let's not play it let's not downplay it it's it's child

03:49:19.840 genital mutilation they don't have a say so would you have are you circumcised i am yes would you

03:49:25.520 have rather been uncircumcised i would have liked to have had the choice yes so you would have liked

03:49:29.120 to have the choice that you say that but you would have chose to cut off your hood as an adult no i

03:49:34.240 would have just so the choice the choice is made oh so you would rather have your skin i've never well

03:49:38.800 it's hard to say because i've had i've met quite a few it's it's hard to say well it's hard to say

03:49:43.760 because i don't know i've never experienced the difference because it occurred when i was a

03:49:48.960 all i've met before is if that's you i'm not going to discount what you actually think and

03:49:52.720 the men you've met but i've only ever met men who were either circumcised and wish they were

03:49:56.880 uncircumcised that wish they were circumcised or i've met men that are circumcised and they're like

03:50:00.960 yeah i would have been pissed my mom didn't circumcise me that's perhaps it's because there's

03:50:03.760 a social stigma in this kind like in this country and other countries where there is circumcision

03:50:07.600 where it's actually reinforced by women because you're you have you are used to men being circumcised

03:50:14.480 if all men just weren't circumcised there would be no comparison between cut and uncut of course

03:50:19.680 but we're well past that so that's like a okay but it's a barbaric it's a barbaric you know and he's

03:50:25.200 right with his choice like so sorry let me look yeah okay it's it's a barbaric practice that has

03:50:30.880 absolute it's not medically indicated for the vast majority of people there are some people who

03:50:35.600 you know if the foreskin's too tight or whatever they like fine but it's a barbaric practice it has

03:50:40.800 absolutely nothing to do with clean cleanliness and i think it is actually probably inflicting

03:50:45.760 some sort of emotional wound on young baby boys you're like you're mutilating their genitals upon

03:50:53.360 birth they cry when they're fucking uh the the babies cry when they i don't think they're administered

03:50:59.200 any painkillers or anything it's like this thing that chops it off like i heard it doesn't really hurt

03:51:04.000 them but what'd you say but it's a baby like how do we know it doesn't it's just a barbaric

03:51:08.400 practice i agree i could tell if it hurts them or not if women were i don't know well okay let's

03:51:13.920 my point i definitely get what you're saying i used to be the same way i even honestly used to

03:51:16.960 say like stop circumcision used to be one of those people but after talking to more men i came to the

03:51:21.680 my own self-conclusion that reversing that today could cause more harm than good because today i feel

03:51:27.280 like there is more men because of how society is there is more men who would rather be circumcised and it would be a

03:51:32.480 lot harder for them to do that at an adult age than it would be done to as a baby so that's why i

03:51:37.200 honestly used to be on that fort but i feel like it's just one of those things that we are so far in

03:51:41.920 that i don't know if it's going to do more harm or good to try to reverse i'm pretty sure my

03:51:46.240 understanding of the the medical literature on it there are some situations where it could be medically

03:51:51.920 indicated where you know if the force gets too tight or whatever you can't i don't know whatever it's

03:51:56.480 painful then perhaps what in that scenario would would it have been better to have it done as a

03:52:02.000 child yes but there needs to be informed consent like i i don't think we should be mutilating the

03:52:08.000 genitals of children i'm saying i totally get your standpoint and that's why you have the same one but

03:52:12.800 mentally standing i think today since it is more common than not to be circumcised if we stop

03:52:18.720 circumcising men today and they have to wait until they're an adult age to get it done which is a very painful

03:52:24.480 procedure as an adult we're going to have men who have psychological issues about their penis being

03:52:29.120 uncircumcised because we're trying to give them body autonomy but they hope they won't get it done

03:52:33.360 because it's a much harder procedure as an adult than a baby so that's why i'm like i get what you're

03:52:38.240 saying i get the fight for it but i think it needs to have a lot of research done on how it could

03:52:42.800 mentally affect men i don't think because some men might need to get a circumcision later on in life

03:52:48.720 i'm not saying because they need to it's because they want to i'm not talking about the medical cases

03:52:51.840 i'm talking about the cases of like men i do know men today who are uncircumcised who really

03:52:57.840 talk about it a lot that they really wish they were circumcised so that's my only point but i get

03:53:02.480 that but why you have to ask why because maybe it's because there's like their peers also were

03:53:08.800 and so there's an expectation romantically there's yes but that's still i mean that's still a valid

03:53:13.040 reason so like there's that it's not gonna right but if all men just weren't circumcised then it

03:53:16.960 wouldn't be today we're already too okay we're already there but so we should continue with this

03:53:21.280 barbaric practice i'm saying i don't know it is a very i think not i think we should get rid of it

03:53:25.280 in any case let's move on we have a couple chats here and uh we'll try to wrap up here pretty soon

03:53:30.240 we have liam la brian who cares myron and g that's not related that's from 20 minutes ago liam la it's

03:53:37.280 going to take a while to get through all of these so uh let me pull up let's see puffy vegas he has a 300

03:53:44.240 body count i think we did that one puffy vegas hey thank you for the 50. um we have rick bungle

03:53:50.960 member okay all right liam la donated 100 dollars you're trying your it's fine you can show it thank

03:53:58.880 you i'm a good good thank you man appreciate it you're right i am a good good all right um memo to

03:54:04.560 men get yourself a passport become a passport bro do not marry american 3FOs raised in this culture

03:54:09.600 under any circumstances you will thank me later okay rick bungle uh shouting out the passport pros

03:54:16.160 there's there's some uh i think there's some you know there's good women in the us

03:54:22.560 yeah i would like to say i'm one of them well there you go all right

03:54:28.000 sorry let me get the rest here all right we have um mike davis

03:54:32.000 nope hold on mike davis you sound like a creep from liam la and the girls seem to agree mike davis

03:54:41.200 okay all right mike davis has always gone a little bit too hard sometimes okay my mk dev straight i

03:54:48.160 feel like i'm a solid seven tried apps tried in person bars coffee shops wherever it's not always a

03:54:52.560 number game just saying kiko do you have a response to this yeah i'm sorry you're not having luck it

03:54:59.600 sounds like you're trying out a lot of avenues so like that totally sucks um i would think back now

03:55:04.160 and see what is the core of this issue is it how you're approaching them is it how you're coming off

03:55:10.400 is it your conversational skills um i would try to say at that point let's pinpoint what's going on

03:55:15.520 with that but i'm i'm sorry you haven't had luck you can hire kiko for her dating coach services

03:55:21.360 at kiko lane kiko only fans dot com slash how much money how much money do you think kiko could

03:55:30.320 make if she started all the time probably like five figures a month just saying i would never do it

03:55:35.440 okay all right we got an only fan puffy vegas girls i would never that's not puffy vegas says girls

03:55:40.640 just want sex that actually doesn't say sex that says sx oh excuse me thank you they want sx

03:55:47.360 they want six you can't sleep with girls girls just want sex i mean they're unapproachable i mean

03:55:53.600 which one is it well i don't think we should trust anything that puffy vegas says we have liam la

03:55:59.520 y'all whack la sucks okay thank you your name is literally liam la and we're not in la liam lily

03:56:06.080 briksen the chat is demanding the return of gorlock to the whatever podcast personally i would like to

03:56:10.400 see gorlock next to kiko on a future podcast soon please deliver on this request um i am in talks with

03:56:16.960 al wheezy okay let's not let's not use the gorlock name kiko might get upset um

03:56:25.200 i've been talking to al wheezy she's it's in the works i i actually try to get her on

03:56:33.120 this sunday but it's in the works it's in the works thank you man i appreciate it rick kiko get back in

03:56:38.240 the gym you know why brian i appreciate the pod but women these days do you have something to say that

03:56:43.120 the gym comment i mean i still go five times five six times a week okay all right brian i

03:56:49.680 appreciate the pop but women these days especially the younger ones will never learn to appreciate

03:56:53.200 hard-working middle-class masculine men like myself wait do it again oh rbt okay uh they grew up on fairy

03:57:03.600 tales like prince charming hashtag think about it cry me a river and the princess and the princess and

03:57:13.600 all those stories didn't even do too much like they're literally just inherited money or some

03:57:17.440 crap they weren't even trying that hard so i don't know where that example is even coming from all right

03:57:22.400 and then we have liam la yo brian your mods trying to ban me okay um yeah because you keep you're being

03:57:29.200 alone you know you got to be careful there with some of the terms you use because uh it's an approach

03:57:33.360 it might be uh inappropriate just saying all right liam la thank you for your patronage man much

03:57:37.920 appreciated okay we need to react to two videos and then uh pull up the twitch really quick and then

03:57:42.960 we'll do the two videos then we're gonna wrap yo guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever drops a follow

03:57:47.280 drops the prime sub if you have one so let me see where we're at quentin think for the prime king

03:57:53.040 think for the prime zelda think for the prime noel think for the prime panda think for the prime

03:57:58.000 uh snack thank you very much for the prime thank you guys appreciate it okay so we had two videos

03:58:05.600 that we were going to react to no two videos we could do the tate we could do the tate we could do

03:58:11.760 the tate yeah should we do tate i think we should do tate because tate came up what do we do we could

03:58:15.920 do what's the hmm let's see what's a good one uh we could do the one the loneliness one that it's it's

03:58:31.440 not gonna it's not super triggering but well i could do the body count one let's do the body count

03:58:37.840 one okay we've done it a million times no we'll do the loneliness one then we'll do the body count one

03:58:42.160 then we'll okay uh let's see so nick if you can pull up the tate lonely and then the tate body count

03:58:48.400 clip oh loose energy donated 99.99 yeah freako's an expert in circumcision

03:58:58.880 she knows all about peepees she got more bodies than shang sung your soul is mine

03:59:05.120 looking are also maddie's in denial with that ring from toys are us it's actually from pandora

03:59:14.880 um i've never said i was an expert in circumcision i said from the few amount of men i've talked about

03:59:19.840 it and i've never spoken to any men i've hooked up with over circumcision they were more friends and

03:59:27.200 acquaintances not you have like one dude who you've talked about no i've there's multiple you

03:59:33.840 talk about circumcision only only it was like it was brought up like randomly like probably throughout

03:59:38.800 high school and stuff but most of these conversations happened after this has happened on social media

03:59:43.280 where everyone's advocating for anti-circumcision i yeah i asked them straight up like okay how do you

03:59:49.440 feel about that how do you feel about your meat being cut seriously like i want to know like i have no

03:59:53.600 other way to know but to ask i don't have one so i would like to get a first-hand knowledge on

03:59:59.120 it before i make up a whole predisposed argument

04:00:06.480 okay next you have the video uh no it's a video podcast videos tape

04:00:16.480 yeah dropbox

04:00:17.200 there was too much water dropbox podcast videos tape

04:00:23.680 good times good times good

04:00:28.480 you're gonna what i don't know why i'm not seeing it the podcast videos i've seen podcasts you you got

04:00:34.400 to go to dropbox podcast videos

04:00:38.480 tape

04:00:40.880 you know

04:00:41.200 what's going on with tate's case well he was uh released from jail and then he was placed on house

04:00:47.920 arrest and then he was um released from house arrest and i believe he's able to roam romania i think

04:00:57.040 he's still required to stay in romania i actually haven't heard any other updates besides that

04:01:03.440 uh i'm trying to think which one let's do the tate fnf lonely because we kind of talked about that i

04:01:13.440 need to get up for a sec while that plays and then i'll stay for the lonely and then yeah

04:01:19.680 your back hurt your neck no use the bathroom dork

04:01:22.880 call me a dork all right don't mind the just the bs sad music that the editor put over this

04:01:30.320 all right go ahead i don't think most women can actually genuinely understand how lonely the

04:01:37.200 majority of men are and you need you need to truly understand if you're joe schmo

04:01:42.720 average in nearly every way in starbucks working you ain't getting a dm ever

04:01:51.200 you girls will never be lonely as much as you might be unhappy with the possible suitors

04:01:56.880 you can at least about and flirt if you feel sad there are men out here in the world who have

04:02:02.880 genuine loneliness i mean i can prove this statistically why do you think it's all the

04:02:07.920 men killing themselves compared to the women wow okay he took it very dark he brought it very

04:02:15.120 dark there of why men are killing themselves um i actually disagree i think men kill themselves for

04:02:21.040 mental health reasons yeah but it's usually related to like statistically it's usually related to

04:02:25.200 financial issues oh thank you man i'm not saying men aren't lonely yeah i'm sure there's a lot of

04:02:29.760 lonely men out there and they have very serious mental health issues that they don't feel like they

04:02:33.440 could talk about because they're told to be tough and to brush it off so definitely but he's saying

04:02:37.920 that majority of men kill himself because they're lonely when statistically that's not right that's

04:02:42.720 only okay you had friend or well no i just think based off of like not only firsthand but like

04:02:51.440 majority of people i talk to like men do go through loneliness and i do agree that it is a lot easier

04:02:58.560 like we were talking about before like woman it's a lot easier for like you to find a date you to flirt

04:03:03.280 than guys necessarily to like they're not obviously like and it's not our fault that we're not the ones

04:03:08.240 like oh like yeah the men are dming us but like realistically like girls are going to get more dams

04:03:13.280 than guys so i can definitely see like his point of view like i'm not saying like oh my gosh i'm an

04:03:17.200 andrew tate stand by any way or shape or form but i'm saying it is valid like men do have a

04:03:22.080 lot of mental health issues they are very like i can see that how like lonely is like being lonely

04:03:28.560 is like a problem for them and i do think that part of the reason men kill themselves is partially

04:03:34.240 because they are lonely i do i can see that i i'm i'm that's exactly yes i never say men don't kill

04:03:40.960 themselves because they're lonely so why do you think the majority so i would just point out the word

04:03:44.720 majority um but yeah definitely is a yeah there's a lot of men who are lonely and it's i see that as

04:03:51.680 a problem but that's why they have to just stress less on i know a friendship cannot always fulfill

04:03:58.640 the shoes of a companion like a true partner companionship um but yeah he has a point but that's

04:04:06.880 just a video of him saying that what's his advice after what is his call to action how does he help them

04:04:10.880 um resolve that problem instead of just pointing out to more men that they're lonely like all he's

04:04:16.480 doing i think it also raises a little bit of awareness for women because i think a lot

04:04:21.840 until i'm not saying that i'm so i think that andrew tate's diagnoses 75 80 85 of the time are pretty

04:04:33.040 damn accurate i don't agree with his prescriptions 80 of the time i think majority of the time it's super

04:04:38.320 um conflated to his lifestyle of you know fuck bitches finally you know it's it's very um

04:04:47.120 what's the word i'm looking for double-edged sword no not double-edged sword i think he portrays a

04:04:52.000 lifestyle that is really unrealistic for a lot of people obviously and i don't think a lot of the life

04:04:56.240 the lifestyle choices he made or he makes are morally correct and um and necessary for human

04:05:04.160 flourishing but i agree that he brings up a lot of points that have been ignored until very recently

04:05:12.880 and until people like him have come into the social media space good point but like i see that he's

04:05:18.480 telling men or telling women trying to bring it to their attention but women aren't watching andrew tate

04:05:23.680 men are i know he has women around them but the thousands of people everyone's watching are majority

04:05:28.160 men so i just feel like that is just pointing out to them more that they're lonely and also like how

04:05:34.560 you said an unattainable lifestyle if anything he's making men think that what he's doing is this average

04:05:39.760 thing that they all should be doing and making them feel more sad and behind in life so maybe it's

04:05:46.000 right message wrong sponsor because yeah he just told men oh you're lonely you can't do anything

04:05:52.160 this is why you guys kill yourselves sad music video shuts off yeah well i mean obviously that was

04:05:58.080 just a clip from a whole podcast but um i mean i haven't seen a whole lot of andrew tate's content

04:06:04.240 especially his long-form content the only things that i've really seen him in terms of like a call

04:06:10.240 to action and a prescription to um like advice for men on a on a broad on a broad level is essentially

04:06:18.640 like get a job do something that's going to be productive to society and get get into the gym

04:06:23.520 make yourself essentially more attractive to women because we if we get down to the base level of it

04:06:30.560 with i know we talked about feminism a lot and i'm not going to get into it too too much but feminism

04:06:35.520 has essentially especially in recent waves has told women that you don't need men and men are being

04:06:43.600 overlooked a lot of the times because of that now so they don't feel valued they don't feel that they need to

04:06:48.480 put any effort into their appearance their lifestyle their jobs um because they're not

04:06:53.760 going to get anything out of it in their eyes obviously but i think raising awareness for this

04:06:59.200 helps them like see that there is going to be hope that they should put in put effort into their

04:07:04.400 lifestyle into how they present themselves into the things that they work for and become productive

04:07:09.120 members of society because it is going to increase their value in a whole

04:07:12.080 i agree with what andrew tate said about like girls can flirt and fuck more easily but i don't think

04:07:22.720 that's the cure to loneliness so i think anyone who lacks genuine connection feels lonely and as we

04:07:31.680 talked about men are pursuing sex which isn't extremely like meaningful so when they're not pursuing

04:07:42.000 the meaningful type of intimacy then maybe that could play a role into why men are more lonely well

04:07:51.040 i think the the point that he was kind of trying to make and one of the reasons i wanted to pull it

04:07:54.640 up because i mean it's basically we already had the conversation about well is it who's it harder to get

04:08:00.320 laid and you could argue that maybe even if a woman could get like a one night stand or get

04:08:09.120 sex that maybe that's not even what women are after that's not even what they want but i think

04:08:13.280 what he's trying to say is well at least you can get that level of attention attention like you can get

04:08:19.360 a warm bed you could get a cuddle which i mean maybe it not might not be with the optimum suitor maybe it

04:08:25.920 might not even be what you want if you you know maybe you want like a long-term relationship you want a

04:08:30.880 family and it's having a casual encounter is not a big priority for you but you basically what you

04:08:37.920 have though is men out there who have basically who can't even get that and they're like they're

04:08:45.280 touch starved they they can't even get like i don't know if you've heard this term like touch being

04:08:50.000 touch starved but like they've haven't hugged anybody in like forever and a woman if you want to

04:08:56.080 you want to cuddle you don't even have to a guy you could get a cuddle pretty easily you know that's

04:09:01.520 but anyways let's move on from that just because i do want to try to wrap up here pretty soon we got

04:09:05.520 one more video i have one more question then we're gonna wrap it up wrap it up kiko wrap it up

04:09:10.640 as long as i've been quiet oh no oh uh we have to do we do the body count

04:09:21.440 too controversial no it's not i just feel like we went over it already we don't i don't know if we

04:09:26.240 did well and i'm really looking towards jillian here for her thoughts okay and then

04:09:32.880 mirror mirror yeah that was about i was about to say that i'm just saying i knew it i memorized it

04:09:40.320 but you know just we need to hear more from mira you've been a little quiet we need some more deets

04:09:48.240 okay cool all right let's do it let's do tape video um do we do the body count one or the forehead

04:09:53.040 body count one there's there's a forehead body count yeah let's do wait which one nick nick says

04:10:04.240 the forehead count or the body he said body count ah we've done it that one so much let's do the

04:10:10.480 forehead count why not all right wait no no no is it going to be too triggering should we nick let's

04:10:16.480 ask chat let's ask chat they've seen the videos a whole bunch of times i think can you pull up the

04:10:22.240 the chat yeah yo chat one in the chat do you want the tate body count video or the tate

04:10:27.200 forehead count video that's with cheyenne uh which one do you guys want chat can we read the chat

04:10:33.600 afterwards what's that can we read the chat afterwards oh okay yeah it'll be uh okay which

04:10:41.440 one forehead both both i don't know if we could have time for both here let's start with the forehead

04:10:46.240 count and then uh i've seen forehead count in both okay okay yeah i've seen the second one

04:10:52.640 that's what everyone's voting on all right go ahead

04:10:58.880 i think 99 of the world's problems would be solved can you make it louder if females walked through life

04:11:04.000 with their body count on their forehead because it would prevent because it would prevent all of the

04:11:10.080 the disintegration of morals it would prevent so many things about the world but you know what

04:11:16.560 there's like and women would be like to be with me as a man i don't want to put another number on

04:11:22.160 my forehead you have to be a good man they wouldn't stop in these idiots and stop being idiots and all

04:11:26.720 the idiots would disappear all the degeneracy would disappear families would return virgins meeting their

04:11:32.640 first man staying with him her whole life and being proud of it wouldn't we couldn't we go back to

04:11:36.720 such a beautiful age all we have to do is start putting numbers on girls foreheads we could fix

04:11:40.480 everything that attitude is disgusting okay so men are lonely can't get or touch starved women need

04:11:49.280 to start putting their body head on their forehead because they too many men and they're around too

04:11:52.320 much and we have no more virgins who are pure and don't want to do those things which one do you

04:11:58.320 want do you want a world full of virgins or you want a world full of hoes that are you guys

04:12:02.080 i know i think i think i think it will i mean he did say women originally and then he said he

04:12:07.520 made an argument for men basically becoming accountable because they don't want another

04:12:11.280 number added to their forehead i think i mean obviously it's it would never happen for obvious

04:12:16.800 reasons but it would create a lot of accountability for everyone and we see a lot of like people don't

04:12:25.360 hold themselves accountable for things a lot nowadays what though because you're not we're not saying

04:12:28.800 putting on a men's head yeah the only thing is being accountable for is the fact that she has

04:12:32.960 to take account for the fact that she's slept with another man i don't see how that's a society star

04:12:37.280 like everything the world's gonna change i know it's a joke but like still to even like try to like

04:12:41.360 sit and try to rationalize that statement is like i don't even think that should have the energy

04:12:47.200 towards it because it makes here let's give some other people an option to respond we're gonna go around

04:12:51.680 the table oh he wanted to hear from you okay you and then we'll just go around like this i don't

04:13:01.440 really have too much to say on that one come on you're a little upset about what you said no come

04:13:06.400 on i mean it was look it's it's obviously an unrealistic expectation that women are suddenly

04:13:13.600 gonna have their body counts on their foreheads i also think that yeah while some women may want

04:13:20.240 to watch it i think it won't change anything for some other woman who will continue doing what they

04:13:24.640 were doing previously so i don't even really think it's worth thinking about all that deeply because i

04:13:30.400 think sure it might stop some people but it won't affect others so i think some people are open about it

04:13:38.960 and some people aren't and the reason they're not i think specifically with people who have a higher body

04:13:46.080 count i don't know if they are ashamed of themselves or worry more about other people shaming them so i

04:13:55.520 don't i think it's an uncomfortable topic for a lot of people um so i don't know if that would be

04:14:05.200 the best approach yeah okay if somebody's gonna put themselves in the position where they do have a high

04:14:12.960 body count i don't think that it would be an issue if everybody had to know because um men deserve the

04:14:19.520 option they should deserve the chance to know what a woman's body count is if women have the same

04:14:24.400 opportunity like a man should be able to want somebody who slept with zero people just as easily

04:14:30.080 as a woman should be like i don't think there's an issue with that yeah i actually kind of agree with

04:14:35.760 that kind of going back to like your comment too like um if like a woman wants people to know like

04:14:42.800 how many people that she slept with she'll go out and tell people so it's just like and if a guy wants

04:14:47.440 to know how much a woman has slept with it just gives women accountability as well as men so i think

04:14:54.400 it would definitely hold accountability in the way that like i think people do know that sometimes it's

04:14:59.440 morally unacceptable like not unacceptable but i think people are ashamed of it and i think like if people

04:15:04.720 were to know they wouldn't want them to know so i think definitely people would it would definitely

04:15:09.600 make a difference i'm not saying like i just think like oh yeah if you have a high one i'm not shaming

04:15:14.720 you in any way but i think definitely there's some people out there that are ashamed of their high one

04:15:18.480 but i'm not saying that's everyone but i'm saying i think morally or like just in general like it might

04:15:22.480 it would definitely i think make an effect on how many hookups there would be in today sure i just think

04:15:29.520 that's like a personal conversation that like should happen between you and the person like

04:15:36.720 you're looking to have a relationship with i don't think it needs to be like everyone needs to know i

04:15:41.680 don't think that's necessary i just think like you and other person can have an honest conversation about

04:15:46.640 it and like that's all there has to be like i don't think it needs to be like some public thing that

04:15:53.040 like everyone knows about like okay i think what i will say is in terms of hookup culture like if

04:15:59.200 you're sleeping with someone why does body count necessarily matter if it's just gonna happen like

04:16:03.840 for a night in terms of like a relationship though like i feel like there should like if you're telling

04:16:09.440 the person that you're gonna commit to a relationship with you should like build a sense of trust like if

04:16:15.120 you're lying to them about your body count like that's a whole other issue that i feel like is just not

04:16:19.360 gonna lead to a good relationship with good like sure well i mean what i would just answer to your

04:16:26.320 first part there is even in for a one night stand i think a lot of guys even in that circumstance even

04:16:33.200 in that context would probably still prefer to get with a girl who has a low body count even if it's just

04:16:38.160 for casual sex i think they don't care men will care far less if it's just a hookup like it's less of a

04:16:47.120 priority than for like a relationship or a marriage but uh i mean if given the option okay for a one

04:16:53.760 night stand assuming both of the women are down you have a woman who slept with 100 men versus a

04:16:58.400 girl who's a virgin the guy's probably gonna pick the virgin i disagree with that wholeheartedly if

04:17:03.520 it's just a hookup i'm saying the man's gonna choose no i'm saying even for a one night stand

04:17:08.640 he's gonna pick the virgin maybe you know more because you're a man but i would say they're gonna

04:17:12.800 choose the one with 100 versus a virgin for a hookup because nick what do you think we need to

04:17:18.080 get nick on this more you want a virgin oh yeah bro even for a one night stand yeah i guess maybe just

04:17:24.560 the guys i'm around um they will prefer someone with more experience especially with something like

04:17:29.440 just a hookup then they're not trying to get a hookup and then teach her how to hook up they're

04:17:35.120 trying to get their needs met and that's it but for a relationship that's completely different i

04:17:40.960 wouldn't say the same for relationship obviously i feel like a lot of guys use it as like an ego

04:17:45.360 booster though like oh my god i just took this girl's virginity or oh my god i just got with a

04:17:50.240 girl that only has like one body and then they'll go and like be proud of that and tell their friends

04:17:54.320 about that and that's why guys usually like going for virgins and stuff like that well i think it's

04:17:57.920 just psychologically more stimulating okay so virgin yes but okay maybe three bodies versus a hundred i don't

04:18:03.280 know yeah yeah i can see the lower the better the virgin card is definitely i that's the thing i've

04:18:09.520 heard of before but um yeah it's also more of a high school thing i've heard of i don't really hear

04:18:14.320 of adult men being like i took her virginity i don't either i think that men like view it more as

04:18:20.000 like i mean i'm not going to speak for all men but i do know a lot of men that get genuinely

04:18:26.400 disgusted when women have incredibly high body counts yeah but i mean even she said she's a virgin

04:18:31.920 she says that some guys be like they don't like it but yeah it's really one sleep with her well they

04:18:36.720 don't like it because they're not going to get quick sex i agree that's probably the majority of

04:18:41.040 the reason why yeah the majority of them think that um so i think given the option between like okay if

04:18:46.400 for the instance of a one night stand if a girl have a body count of three compared to something

04:18:51.040 upwards of 100 they pretty much always pick the three girl i genuinely believe the guy for a hookup

04:18:59.040 should pick the girl with the higher body count because she's more experienced and could give them a

04:19:05.680 a better time so i don't disagree but disagree on me i disagree but i don't get the male brain

04:19:11.360 thinking a virgin or a girl with a really low body count is better when like with more experience

04:19:19.280 they have more skill so that the physical pleasure is increased not that's why i think the guys who

04:19:27.600 actually do sleep with virgins don't usually want anymore disavow i feel like it's like a fantasy

04:19:34.320 thing disavow um let me ask you a question right okay well you've never had sex i don't know um

04:19:41.920 i guess to the girls who've had sex do you need to be maybe you don't need it but does it does it

04:19:50.000 elevate the sexual experience if aside from just the man's technical skills in the bedroom you're also

04:19:56.400 psychologically stimulated by him in some way so either he's really physically physically attractive

04:20:01.360 you really like his personality yes so is there a psychological component to the enjoyment when

04:20:08.000 it comes to sex right sure but it's not because he's a virgin like men and women are different

04:20:18.320 that's just what i'm saying like for me personally and i feel like all this honestly sorry doesn't matter

04:20:23.280 regardless because i have never heard of a man who was just going for one night and even ask what their

04:20:28.080 body count liam mille donated one hundred dollars why do you guys care if they ask about your body

04:20:34.240 count kiko i don't i don't care if they ask i never said they did okay but i i guess for like kind of

04:20:42.880 responding to you like oh well wouldn't you want to get a girl get with a girl who's had 100 bodies

04:20:47.840 because surely she must be more sexually experienced ergo the sexual experience is going to be more

04:20:53.920 pleasurable because she's got a certain technique the gluck gluck 9 000 or whatever the fuck it's

04:20:58.640 called like i don't think men are first off uh that's a particularly huge preoccupation uh like a

04:21:06.640 woman's technical skill in the bedroom is dwarfed by i would say her the psychological stimulation that she

04:21:15.840 might provide either through being really physically attractive or by having a low body count or by being a

04:21:22.160 virgin for example i'm not saying they prefer the one with the higher body count but for physical

04:21:30.560 pleasure like the skill level they should well if that's your only but but like i think that you're

04:21:37.520 talking mentally right well yeah i think both men and women are psychologically stimulated like you for

04:21:43.520 let me ask would you rather have the best sex of your life with a guy who you thought was

04:21:48.720 physically unattractive and you didn't really like his personality or would you rather have average

04:21:54.240 sex with a guy who was really fucking attractive really hot good personality and maybe technically he

04:22:00.720 wasn't as good as this other guy but the other things he's bringing psychologically the psychological

04:22:08.080 stimulation actually make the sex better the average i mean you haven't had sex i don't know

04:22:14.160 like but i care about personal connection and also i'm not anti-sex i'm just anti-sex with guys who i

04:22:26.640 don't have a established relationship with so i'm not like saving myself for marriage or any of that i

04:22:34.240 simply want a meaningful connection and guys this far or currently are not offering what i require so it's not

04:22:43.760 happening but i'm not anti-sex i'd have sex if a guy deserves it yeah but it's kind of like the same

04:22:54.080 thing like what if there was a because men will view a woman who has a low body count isn't promiscuous

04:23:00.240 or who's a virgin they might view that as something that would make the sex better they might be more

04:23:05.120 attracted to a woman who is like that so is it almost like a hard to get thing no not really i

04:23:14.560 mean i think there's there's a couple different reasons one i mean obvious i mean i'm nick i don't

04:23:19.120 know if you can weigh in on this but connection with someone with 100 bodies and sex that you're

04:23:23.680 gonna have with that person is not like good connected sex well i think the other talking about

04:23:29.440 well yeah but even even in the hookup but i think the the other thing that you could say is is that

04:23:35.040 nick would you and i i feel like girls probably to some degree feel this way too like for me if i knew

04:23:41.840 if i was about to hook up with a girl whether it was just a one-night stand or i wanted to pursue

04:23:46.080 a relationship with her if i found out that she hooked up with a different guy yesterday that would

04:23:52.240 be very off-putting to me yeah very off-putting just because it's kind of i think it would be kind of

04:23:57.840 gross like did he come inside you and then it's then i'm yeah by proxy i'm kind of okay playing for

04:24:06.160 the other side you know what i mean okay we know your theory on that my weird theory about yeah um

04:24:12.320 and then uh the std concern and it's like if a girl tells me it's been three years since i last

04:24:18.400 was with a guy i'm like that's dope cool but there's no correlation between body count and the last

04:24:24.480 time someone hooked up with somebody so those are two well yeah okay those are two different

04:24:27.760 things but i think that's it's related to promiscuity to some degree if a girl hasn't had sex in three

04:24:32.000 years what is she what is she yeah she could have 50 guys three years ago but there's a girl who just

04:24:37.840 hadn't slept with someone last week which one would you prefer the girl who slept with 50 guys three

04:24:41.840 years ago or that we're getting a hypothetical comparison wait can you answer that one what what's the

04:24:46.720 what's the two what's the two so would you rather sleep with a girl who slept with over 50 guys

04:24:52.000 three years ago or would you sleep with the girl would you rather see for the girl who has a body

04:24:55.680 count of like five say but she slept with someone last week that's yeah can you answer that that's

04:25:00.880 a tough one chat answer too puffy yes no i'm actually curious what people have to say about that one

04:25:10.480 i totally get like wanting to have a woman with a low body count like that's not they're both undesirable

04:25:15.040 they're both undesirable scenarios let's say that which one do i prefer i don't know i see five

04:25:20.160 five more okay wait five so that's the five so the the one that last week okay she only has five

04:25:26.960 bodies yeah versus the one who has 50 bodies but hasn't slept with anyone in three years correct

04:25:33.120 yeah i'm i i think i'm leaning towards she slept with but it's not it's still not a desirable scenario

04:25:38.880 oh yeah okay you fucked a guy a day ago you guys that's just not bright thinking though what do you

04:25:44.080 mean it's not what do you mean because like if you're trying to you guys say that you use this

04:25:48.080 knowledge to try to like show the future of how like your relationship is how type of woman she is

04:25:53.120 but say the woman who slept with 50 people three over three plus years ago right she went through

04:25:58.480 the self-realization she realized oh no i messed up like i shouldn't have been doing that i know

04:26:02.800 myself worse now i know i only want to give myself to like you know a worthy man versus the woman who

04:26:07.600 just slept with someone a week ago and has five bodies what if she gained all those five bodies all

04:26:11.520 last week i never said that so it's like you know that's all my point is you can't use these things as

04:26:22.240 end-all be-all you need to talk to who you're with and look we can come up with these hypothetical

04:26:27.120 scenarios like trying to like be like yeah she has over three bodies she's at home it's like no like

04:26:31.360 there's many different things that go into it so okay and various guys have different thresholds for

04:26:37.520 what they deem to be a high body count we can make up these hypothetical scenarios ultimately though

04:26:42.080 what i would say gen gen generally speaking is most men would prefer women with lower body counts the

04:26:49.120 lower the better the closer to zero the better i feel like a woman with a higher body count might

04:26:54.400 make a man feel degraded if that makes any sense at all how so if like a woman had slept with 50 people

04:27:01.920 and then goes and sleeps with another man makes it 51 like how is the like i don't know what's also

04:27:07.680 like kind of to your point i think that you you're just okay i'm number 51 yeah why didn't it work for

04:27:14.480 the previous 50 guys uh was there like what's what's going on there and then also i mean i do think when

04:27:22.960 it comes to significant others you do want and maybe this is going to sound corny i think for both men and

04:27:27.840 women you do want to be special to your significant other and if you've had 50 100 prior sexual partners

04:27:35.440 one i think you've kind of detached intimacy from sex sex is just sport to you it's just like a

04:27:40.480 handshake it doesn't there you've you've to some degree detached the intimacy component to sex and

04:27:46.400 again maybe this sounds corny but like i for me there's no i don't really have an interest in sleeping

04:27:52.000 with a girl one time like if i have sex with a girl i want there to be continuity i want to continue

04:27:56.160 seeing her it to me the people who sport fuck okay let me just try to hook up with a bunch of

04:28:01.040 girls frankly i don't see the point i don't think it's a intelligent or smart way to move

04:28:05.600 as a man so uh especially if you're on your purpose and you're trying to you know do something

04:28:09.760 with your life just hooking up with a bunch of random girls and never talking to them again

04:28:13.840 i think that's an l i think excuse me sorry i got tongue tied there i think you should try to

04:28:18.640 develop relationships with women and not just use them for sex and you know discard them once you've

04:28:24.080 gotten what you've gotten i think if you choose to sleep with a woman you should try to pursue

04:28:28.480 something so i do think it says a lot about your um your morals and your values to on on the extent

04:28:35.600 like to to an extreme extent there of course are those outliers like you said the like the theoretical

04:28:41.280 woman that had a very promiscuous past and has you know either like come to some sort of religion

04:28:47.840 and how to change a heart or some other circumstance in their life of course there are those people but

04:28:52.800 they're not as there's not like a huge amount of them compared to like with uh that past that have

04:29:01.840 come to like a huge change of heart like a drastic change of heart a lot of them continue with those

04:29:06.800 types of habits fair but i i see a lot of women especially on social media now they're coming

04:29:11.520 forward a lot saying like especially this whole empowerment thing we're seeing within feminism a lot

04:29:16.800 of girls who are teens early 20s college they felt empowered by sleeping with multiple men or doing

04:29:22.240 things like that and then they get to their late 20s or early 30s and they realize oh i was just

04:29:26.960 doing those things to fill a void and actually got nothing off of it yeah and they do change and i

04:29:31.360 feel like anything it's more woman who will come to that realization than men would that are

04:29:34.880 promiscuous in that way yeah but it all overall breaks down to what i said in the beginning that's

04:29:38.560 why you just need to shoot in your league if you are a girl with a hundred bodies you best be dating

04:29:43.440 a man who has over a hundred bodies like it's it's it's that is the truth i will admit that in a

04:29:48.640 relationship for it to work i do believe the woman has to have a smaller body count than the man yeah

04:29:53.360 yeah but i don't think it has to be under 10. that's what i'm saying again it's relative to

04:29:58.560 the man's body count no hers has to be less but it doesn't have to be

04:30:04.000 three percent of his body count you know what i mean yeah i do agree with that but i think that they're

04:30:08.480 like the way that we phrase it a lot of the times in terms of saying like oh body count doesn't matter

04:30:13.600 it shouldn't matter it absolutely does matter but by saying and like bringing up the arguments for

04:30:20.560 um like it not mattering or like trying to justify it basically give like gives people an incentive to

04:30:27.760 participate in it when it doesn't it does not add any sort of value to your life to like have it to

04:30:33.120 have a high body count or participate in hookup culture it adds no value to your life long term

04:30:38.160 um and eventually just just hurts you in your interpersonal relationships it's only a very

04:30:43.680 small percent of people who find especially women who just find pleasure and just having casual sex

04:30:49.120 yeah i think there's more women who are trying to convince themselves that they feel that way so i do

04:30:53.440 agree that a lot of women are hurting themselves by participating in this a hundred percent but i don't

04:30:57.920 think that it's fair to say that all men want virgins or all men want women with only three plus

04:31:03.200 bodies because that's just simply not true a lot of men don't care as much as you make it seem if it

04:31:07.920 was true then we wouldn't see all these porn stars wiped up we wouldn't see all these strippers

04:31:12.720 getting and i'm not even saying by like low men we see billionaires taking strippers out of the strip

04:31:18.240 club and putting a ring on their finger so it's not all men that care about body count so drake's

04:31:23.280 baby mama wouldn't be a prostitute yeah i'm not saying i'm not saying all men but i think the majority

04:31:27.760 of men even if they don't want to recognize it or don't up front know about their conscious or

04:31:32.640 unc it's a it's an unconscious bias that they have against it um i actually i told my boyfriend i

04:31:38.080 was going to bring this up because at some point because it was a really great argument that i um

04:31:42.800 or conversation i had with him he had previously dated somebody or a girl with a body count of roughly

04:31:48.960 40 and he essentially said that he didn't care about it and then i proceeded to have a conversation

04:31:53.840 with him about it and he kind of backtracked and said oh well because she told me her body count was that

04:32:00.320 high i proceeded to not take the relationship seriously so he did care exactly so he did care

04:32:05.680 he didn't like realize that he actually cared but is his body count under 40 yes exactly yeah that's

04:32:11.600 what i mean but you know a man who has a body count on say 60 or 80 or whatever probably doesn't care

04:32:16.400 about her 40. because i've met guys too it's like my friend he said the same thing he was dating a

04:32:20.720 girl who had a body count like around 30 and his was like in the teens and it was on his mind all the

04:32:26.160 time in the back of his mind all the time she had hooked up with some of his friends before like i

04:32:30.640 totally get that see i think even if a even if it is a guy that has a body count of say 80 um seeing

04:32:39.760 a girl with a body count of something like 40 i think it still would play a part in how they've

04:32:45.520 how he viewed that relationship possibly i just think they could understand it more like maybe

04:32:49.920 conceptualize it a little better because they've laid down with as many double as many people before

04:32:54.080 versus somebody who hasn't slept with 40 people is like how could you even you know lay down with

04:32:58.000 four people they can't even conceptualize it so i also just would say though like i think you

04:33:02.960 mentioned something about you think it's better for men to have a maybe not an excessively higher

04:33:08.560 body count but you think it's better for men to have a bit more experience is that i'm saying i'm

04:33:14.720 saying a relationship will not work out if a woman has a higher body count than the man in the

04:33:19.040 relationship i agree with that and do and is that just coming from the guy being less sexually

04:33:25.280 experienced basically is that it becomes insecure the man cannot fathom the fact that the girl he's

04:33:30.880 with has been touched has been touched by more men that he hasn't even touched them not insecure

04:33:34.960 no i'm not saying it's a wrong insecurity i'm not saying it's not all secure insecurities are bad

04:33:39.200 it's an insecurity from the fact of like yeah like that's not he's not like that he's not someone who's

04:33:44.080 sexually promiscuous like that so being with someone who's more sexually promiscuous as him

04:33:48.640 it's something that a lot of men cannot deal with they're always there's always going to be

04:33:52.800 feathers ruffled well i would also i also think when it comes to like a okay hold on i'll come back to it

04:34:00.000 uh why body count matters condoms do not protect against general herpes yep 60 bodies equals 12 partners

04:34:04.640 who are infected 100 bodies equals you're likely infected this is why they can't test for it in uh adult

04:34:10.320 content years can go by without an outbreak but you still spread it yeah it's very true like condoms

04:34:14.720 do not necessarily like if you can get i guess an outbreak on your region that's not protected by a

04:34:21.520 condom so uh and you don't want that so uh when when it comes to like a gap in experience with sex i would

04:34:30.400 definitely say that a woman who's more sexually experienced than a man probably i think most women

04:34:37.920 would not want to teach a guy like show a guy how to fuck them like a girl doesn't want to teach a

04:34:46.640 dude like women just want a guy to get it now i'm not saying that you shouldn't like have open

04:34:51.520 communication and if there's certain things you like like i don't think we should treat men as

04:34:55.840 mind readers they're just going to instantly get everything but i don't like if a woman is with a

04:35:01.280 really inexperienced guy sexually i think she's just going to be like it's going to be you know

04:35:07.120 assuming she has a sexual sexual experience it's going to be a turnoff for her when a woman doesn't

04:35:11.920 want to show a guy teach a guy how the fuck whereas like a guy who's with us with an inexperienced woman

04:35:20.000 like if you if you're a guy you know how to lead like assuming we're kind of going along like if the

04:35:24.400 guy's typically a bit more dominant to the bedroom the woman's a bit more submissive the guy is going to be

04:35:28.960 able to lead the woman and it's not going to be like oh you're inexperienced this is a turnoff

04:35:33.440 it actually could may very well be neutral or just a turn on if anything so i think there's that

04:35:39.840 component also just i think you coming back to what you said or i forgot who was saying who was

04:35:44.560 saying it something about was it you who's talking about like the uh why would a guy want to get with

04:35:50.400 a woman who might not be good in bed or who's inexperienced even in a one-night stand was that

04:35:54.640 i think that was me oh that was also side note i was not laughing at anyone i was reading the chat

04:36:00.800 and they were very funny oh and actually we do have one more video that we're going to react to

04:36:06.080 relax relax okay don't worry we're almost done here so and actually related related to that though so

04:36:14.480 um what i would say and it's another tape video don't worry it's it's brief so what i would say is

04:36:20.640 what matters more than a girl who sucks dick really well because we often like we've often

04:36:24.800 had girls on the show like oh well a woman who's not sexually experienced who has a low body count

04:36:30.000 she's not going to be able to give you the gluck gluck 9 000 like she's not going to know how to like

04:36:34.640 maneuver her her i don't know her pelvis in a certain way to please you it's like no that's

04:36:40.560 bullshit first one if you're a guy you know how to lead you like if you have any sexual experience

04:36:44.720 in the bedroom you can lead a girl and you can make her good in bed pretty pretty simply um also

04:36:50.880 i think it's a girl who like like you know what matters more when it when it comes to that it's not

04:36:56.880 how good her head game is it's a girl who loves you to death who's your ride or die who's going to have

04:37:01.600 your back who takes care of you just like you take care of her who's going to be there through the

04:37:05.520 good time the bad time etc etc um and i just rather have a girl who truly loves me and i truly love her

04:37:12.640 and it doesn't like it okay she doesn't suck dick the best who cares um that's not it that's not a

04:37:18.560 huge priority one you can learn uh two again if you're a guy and you can lead in the bedroom you

04:37:24.560 can have amazing sex with a girl who's sexually inexperienced so um yeah i don't know sex is not

04:37:31.040 like this oblig complicated actually the tape articulates way better than me um oh it's a different

04:37:36.800 video donated 99 for the panel one by one would you date a person who had genital herpes what it

04:37:44.320 does one will go through seven x more likely to contract hiv two disclose to all future partners

04:37:52.080 and facing likely rejection three taking antivirals for life four having to use herpes dating sites oh god

04:38:01.360 well number two definitely i mean i feel like dating is hard enough for men and women as it is

04:38:10.000 adam 22 has the worst life ever yeah thank you liam la we will read your other chats here too

04:38:15.520 we'll get to them into a sex but so number two in jay butler's previous thing saying disclose to all

04:38:20.560 future partners and facing likely rejection look for men and women dating relationships it's hard enough

04:38:26.800 as it is do not if if you're promiscuous like there's a higher likelihood of you getting an std

04:38:32.640 like don't further handicap don't further handicap yourself and make it more difficult to uh find you

04:38:38.800 know that per that uh long-term relationship or a boyfriend or even anything because i mean i don't

04:38:44.320 know about you guys but if a girl has herpes that's her i don't care how beautiful she is i don't care if

04:38:50.880 she's way out of my league i don't care how cool she is like if you have an incurable std that's just

04:38:56.320 around you could be a great person but i don't that's i'm not going to pursue that so going around

04:39:00.880 the panel would you date a person who has the herp no i would consider it when dating okay this is

04:39:10.640 probably going to sound dumb but i think i would be more open to it if we were getting married because

04:39:18.480 my sexual like history or like my my sexual stance of having that it wouldn't be an issue with future

04:39:30.160 partners because that is my partner forever so but go ahead go ahead go ahead so if we were committed

04:39:39.040 forever i'd be okay with it but if it was a temporary person i would not risk risk it for

04:39:47.920 my future people i'll come that makes i want to let everybody answer but i will come back to that

04:39:51.920 what about you no no no and same with like again same with her like this could be your forever person

04:39:58.640 let's say it's your first could be your forever person no no into the mic yes no no no no i don't

04:40:11.600 think so no yeah it's no from me i mean here's the thing right you're you're young you're an attractive

04:40:17.680 girl you're i mean you're waiting not waiting till marriage or no i'm just waiting for you're waiting

04:40:22.240 for the right person but you're virgin yeah i mean you you i would argue that you have like a very great

04:40:27.040 degree of romantic and sexual optionality you don't need to no offense to anybody who's

04:40:34.480 got an scd but you don't need to settle for somebody who i mean i assume you don't have anything either

04:40:41.120 in your situation like there's a lot of men out there that don't have herpes and look at look

04:40:46.480 you're not going to die from it but like why it is something that you can pass on to your child too

04:40:52.720 so i mean that might be another thought process i mean you i would say you have a lot of options

04:41:00.160 you there's plenty of fish in the sea you know yeah if okay if it was like the love of my life i

04:41:06.720 would be more lenient that like it's not an instant no nobody ever in the whole entire world is all i'm

04:41:14.080 saying but to me i just think that for most people that would preclude

04:41:21.520 it's just you really want like a couple times a year i don't know how often okay think about it

04:41:26.160 before you answer like how would it even play out right because you aren't waiting to to marriage

04:41:29.920 you're a virgin but you're not waiting until marriage this person's the love of your life

04:41:33.040 right so because they had general herpes are you now going to wait until marriage to sleep with them

04:41:37.600 so you can solidify the fact that it's your forever because if you sleep with them before that

04:41:42.480 happens you could just up and leave and you're also forgetting the fact that divorce is a possible

04:41:46.160 thing he could sleep with you you could do that and then he could just end up divorcing you so it's

04:41:50.000 like is it something you want to put yourself in that predicament okay that was a very good point

04:41:55.600 i would say i wouldn't unless it was a permanent situation but realistically nothing is permanent because

04:42:08.240 of breakups divorce so realistically the answer is no but if we're if somehow it was the love of my

04:42:18.080 life and we were guaranteed to be together forever i would consider and like can be convinced to look past

04:42:27.200 it in this scenario though it sounds like the only way this would happen is if he like lied to you or

04:42:31.360 something because it's like you like if he never told me then i got it then i'm like we're stuck

04:42:38.240 like what yeah because it's like what are you gonna you're saying it forever but it's like so that

04:42:41.440 means you're going to have to wait until marriage then yeah like i don't there's not just a one

04:42:46.000 how do you know it's forever until you're married yes that's why i'm saying it's unrealistic okay

04:42:51.040 yeah yeah nothing to make sure it's a no but love of my life forever nothing is certain but uh death and

04:42:58.400 taxes okay so uh look at adam 22. nick if you're able to go into the the video file we'll play this

04:43:05.280 last one then then we're going to wrap it's related to the whole conversation about you know is sex the

04:43:11.360 quality like this is this if the sex is bad you know whatever so yeah it's a tape video it's in

04:43:19.360 yes yes yes yes um did i pull up oh liam la pause that really quick look at adam 22 thank you liam

04:43:25.520 uh this is brian you would n i don't know what you mean by that um thank you buddy thank you

04:43:34.880 um let me see were there any super chats no we have one more chat here from uh liam and i don't know if

04:43:40.880 it's going to come up i'll i'll we'll do it after the video if you're able to pull up the video really

04:43:44.800 quick then we're going to wrap guys um um put us yeah put us in the corner

04:43:51.200 and then hide the other one thank you all right go for it oh wait wait wait wait wait

04:43:59.120 hold on hold on uh sorry i just want okay someone just sent in a thing those are the stats if you

04:44:06.320 guys want to read it okay go ahead sex sex this position that position don't you feel like you get

04:44:12.560 to a point in your life where there's something more than that don't you feel like maybe i'm going

04:44:16.320 to sound like a romantic don't you feel like you get to a position in your life where you'd rather have

04:44:19.360 a girl who you truly love and she truly loves you and it doesn't matter what she does because

04:44:23.040 you know she really loves you and she's trying her best where are those hats i know i know she's

04:44:27.040 shaking her head but i'm serious if you sleep with enough women yeah just like if you sleep with

04:44:33.840 enough men there's no move sex is not a complicated operation all right there's no move that's going to

04:44:39.360 be like wow i've never seen this before i've never seen this before my mind is blown no no if you think

04:44:46.240 the way you keep a man happy is to move your in a particular way on top of his dick

04:44:49.920 as opposed to behave in a way which is respectful to him out in the real world and for him to know

04:44:54.800 he has you and your loyalty regardless of what's going to come up all the problems going to come

04:44:59.280 into in his life then you're wrong so the whole point of sex is a connection between two people and

04:45:04.560 i think having a genuine connection between two people is worth more than the sex so her question was

04:45:08.560 what can a woman do to truly blow your mind in the bedroom you'll blow my mind outside of the bedroom

04:45:14.080 in a relationship as a whole that's the truth that's the truth wouldn't you rather have a

04:45:19.360 girlfriend who truly loves you is absolutely loyal to you like no matter what happens she's going to

04:45:23.440 be there for you you catch a case six months she's waiting outside waiting for you she she okay she

04:45:28.640 can't take dick right whatever but she tries her very very best support the poor thing and she wants

04:45:34.800 she wants to satisfy you and you know you you know she cares about you yeah wouldn't you be like well

04:45:39.200 i don't care that she can't take dick because that's actually a quality woman which is rare in the world

04:45:43.040 today but i am genuinely uninterested in sleeping with a woman who i don't have a connection with

04:45:47.280 i if a girl said to me i don't love you at all i don't feel anything for you at all

04:45:51.440 i don't want to sleep with you but i will i would say no i'm the sex act in and of itself is is okay

04:45:58.640 we've all have you had sex we've all had sex right do you really need to somebody who doesn't give a

04:46:02.640 shit about you at all we live in a world now right where we have a lot of narratives which are being

04:46:06.560 broken down and destroyed in real time and i think it's very very healthy for men and women

04:46:10.800 to look at sex as an act that happens between people who at least like each other the idea that

04:46:17.280 i don't like them at all but as long as they can suck dick this way then it's okay i don't give a

04:46:22.320 fuck right if a girl genuinely loves me with all her heart and gives me a fucking terrible job i'm

04:46:27.680 still gonna be like well you love me i love you it is what it is it's more life's more important than

04:46:31.600 blowjobs and fucking blowing your load this is the truth and if it's not love this if it's not love let me

04:46:37.360 tell you something women are the gatekeepers not men if it's not love you shouldn't be

04:46:41.760 fucking him anyway this is the reality of the world just because the modern world told you different

04:46:45.920 you shouldn't be fucking any man you don't love that's the first fucking thing okay you shouldn't

04:46:49.040 be sleep with him no but it's true you're right you're right because the no no no no because the

04:46:53.680 intimate whatever the however you say intimate whatever is not there you will feel it okay um shout

04:47:00.880 out fresh and fit thank you for the uh that's a clip from their podcast check it out um that was kind of

04:47:06.880 related to the conversation that you kind of brought up a little bit any reactions

04:47:13.840 agree disagree i mean wholesome tate agree wholesome andrew tate yeah it's like right

04:47:18.320 message wrong sponsor again like yeah besides these we've seen tonight the only videos i've

04:47:22.880 seen of this dude is bragging about the thousands of women he slept with so it's like i don't think he

04:47:28.480 doesn't brag about about that i've seen i okay fine i was dreaming do you want to actually address

04:47:33.760 what he said though or no i i i get his overall message for sure um he kind of went on a tangent

04:47:41.760 though that the girls didn't even weren't even talking about it's two different things wait kiko

04:47:46.800 read this really quick kiko how is that church what church i guess i don't know liam l.a

04:47:54.000 asked okay she sorry liam she doesn't know what you're talking about i haven't been to church in

04:47:58.400 a while puffy vegas thank you man uh you love you too you are the best i love you okay thank you

04:48:04.960 puffy vegas you're a legend you are best i love show do you have a reaction to the video we just watched

04:48:09.520 no nothing do you agree disagree thinks uh uh to be honest um i think it was a mile it was a mild

04:48:23.200 choice of a video like he didn't say anything all that offensive oh yeah i wasn't yeah yeah it was

04:48:30.000 it was i i've definitely seen worse of him so um i don't think that was bad though what he was saying

04:48:36.720 or um that women should sleep with men they love like i think that that's a nice romantic

04:48:46.160 thing i and sure i agree with that uh that women should sleep with men they love but i don't think

04:48:52.560 that women who don't do that should be judged for it and that's just my caveat to it but like

04:48:57.920 that's basically my only really thoughts on the video i actually agree with what he said

04:49:03.920 um but i care about emotional and personal connection so that was a good take in my opinion

04:49:12.080 actually i wholeheartedly agree with every point he made okay i agree with what he said again hookup

04:49:20.320 culture is like extremely prevalent especially in this country so it's just like i don't think women

04:49:26.000 should be judged if they partake in hookup culture and when they're looking for relationships later on in

04:49:32.560 life i feel like they shouldn't be judged for that time in their life again but i think when they're

04:49:38.160 wanting to have like meaningful sex with like another partner they should do it with someone

04:49:42.800 that they truly love and that should go both ways

04:49:49.280 yeah i definitely think like you were saying that um i don't think i mean personally i would not just go

04:49:55.120 get with someone random that i have no interest in no connection to anything like that i think definitely

04:50:00.800 yeah oh who said yet earlier was that you yeah i said that was a joke yeah okay okay um so i think

04:50:09.280 definitely if i am with someone or if i am like considering going there with them i definitely think

04:50:14.720 i need to be like romantically like in love or at least like paul like it's on the way to love

04:50:21.440 does that make sure i feel like people when people can do whatever they want to do like

04:50:27.680 i don't really care like it's your life okay i think maybe not like i feel like love is just a

04:50:36.240 really hard place for some people like that like that's that's a hard word for them to say so maybe

04:50:41.040 not that specifically but something on the way to it yeah for sure okay

04:50:45.040 yeah i think you should have a personal connection or yeah at least yeah i completely agree with

04:50:53.520 everything you said in the video wow good times so you're co-signing on almost everyone here is

04:50:59.760 co-signing on tate and your tate just that one video just that singular yeah okay that's not

04:51:06.720 i co-signed yeah well you co-signed on some other stuff yeah okay it's the right message wrong sponsor

04:51:11.520 exactly so okay all right i'd never shame girls who do participate in hookup culture i just

04:51:17.840 personally don't find it fulfilling and i think if they truly don't find it fulfilling they shouldn't

04:51:25.360 engage just because that's the only thing guys are offering sure cool cool cool uh any final thoughts

04:51:32.320 before we wrap up here speak now or forever hold your peace anybody going once going twice any

04:51:38.560 updates on any of the text messages from earlier any uh gentlemen nick pull up twitch really quick

04:51:44.880 then we're going to wrap yo twitch.tv slash whatever drops follow drop us a prime sub bill

04:51:48.800 thank you for the prime appreciate it um trying to think did you have something were you texting

04:51:54.640 a guy or no i texted him he never oh he didn't respond okay okay i guess maybe we can have you

04:51:59.120 back and you can tell us what uh update update was next time all right guys last call hit the like

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04:52:18.400 on the show dm at whatever on instagram we will be live again sunday at 5 p.m pacific um i'm gonna do

04:52:24.720 a quick raid over on twitch to uh let me see who i'm gonna read actually i'm just not tonight um all right

04:52:33.200 yeah it's show's gone late so um sorry guys that we started a little late today just it was pretty

04:52:39.120 hectic before the show guys we'll see you next time i hope you guys have a good night oh sevens

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Whatever Podcast - September 27, 2023

HEATED DEBATE With College Girls & RAGEQUIT KEEKO! ｜ Dating Talk #104

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