INSANE Losing VlRGlNlTY Story？! She DETRANSlTIONED？! She Got ARRESTED？! Andrew! ｜ Dating Talk #194
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7 hours and 53 minutes
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On this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, we have our first guest on the show, a 38-year-old mom of 3 homes. She tells us about how she became a mom of three homes, how she got pregnant with her third child at the age of 20, and how she and her husband, Nick, almost got into a fight with a man in a pink polo.
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channel. Link is in the description. We have a private Patreon members only discord. Now we had
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to, me and Madison, we did an IRL stream about 10 days ago. We had to nuke it, take it down because
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this guy in the pink polo said some very, very naughty things. And so we had to say ta-ta
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to the IRL stream. And then we might be posting, we had like a, I don't know if it was really
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interesting, but we had like kind of a pre-show. We had like, it was going to be 10 people on the
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panel, but it was a rage quit, sort of. Not a rage quit. It was like a, what do you call that?
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Like just a abandonment? Yeah. I felt abandoned. I was abandoned. So we might post that. So if you
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guys want to check it out, discord.gg slash whatever. And then disclaimer, the views expressed
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by the guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever channel. With that said,
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without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So please tell us your name,
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age, location, and occupation. Go ahead. I'm the infamous Desiree Noel. Doomsday.
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Desiree. Doomsday Desiree. That's me. I'm basically the 38 year old version of your
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conspiracy theory stoner friend, but like mom version. So anyway, I have a lot of interest
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these days. So stay at home mom of three homeschooling this year. Okay. And so I do OnlyFans to make
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my money. I am actually, Brian, you word on the street is you have made me into the number
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one pog milf on OnlyFans globally. So for those of you who don't know the street terms,
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that is a fat ass white girl. Milf is mom. I'd like to fornicate with. So I'm the number one
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natural in the natural category. No BBL. So that's kind of cool. Can we not do the, the,
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the hand gesturing? It's kind of getting into my frame on the camera. Sorry. I like to keep my
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frame clear, but okay. That's cool. I guess. And I wrote a couple of books. They're on Amazon.
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All right. What about you? I'm Vivian. I turned 18 last month. I'm from San Francisco. Originally,
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I just live in the Bay and my occupation is, well, I don't, I'm unemployed. Unfortunately,
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I'm looking for a job, but. Are you a NEET? Do you know what that is? NEET? N-E-E-T?
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No, I don't know what that means. So it stands for not in employment, education, or training.
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Yes. So you're not in school. Not. I'm like taking a gap year before I go to college. I'm taking a gap
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year before I go to college. So I'm not in school yet, but probably next year. Okay. And we tried to
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get your mom to come on the show with you for the first mother, daughter, whatever, but it didn't work.
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Didn't work. But okay, cool. What about you? My name is Jade Martin. I am 24. I'm from California.
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And I'm a Twitch streamer. All right. Um, from California. Okay. And politically incorrect
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on Twitter. So politically incorrect on Twitter. And you said you're a Twitch streamer. Do you
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stream video games or just chatting? Yeah. What's your go-to video game on that? Right now,
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Elden Ring, usually Apex Legends. What's that new one with the monkey? The monkey one that's kind
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of like Elden Ring. It's, uh. Wukong. Wukong. Have you been playing that? No. Okay. Uh, and you
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are a detransitioner. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. And so you're born female. Yes. And then I took
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testosterone and then back to female, even though I was born female, but yeah. And, uh, at what age did
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you, uh, start the transition? It was a few days after my 18th birthday. So 18, I guess, but I was
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prescribed it as a minor. Did you, oh, did you take it when you were a minor? Any of the drugs or
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whatever? Around my 18th birthday. I mean, if you consider three days of being 18 years old,
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an adult, then I guess an adult. Okay. Um, and when did you stop? Um, when I was 20, so. So about
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two years? Yeah. Two and a half years? Three-ish. Three-ish. Three-ish years. Okay. Um, and was it,
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were you just taking the hormones or was there? Just the hormones, no surgeries. No surgeries or
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anything like that? Okay. All right. And, um, well, I'm sure we can, we'll get into some of more of that
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stuff a little later on in the show, but, uh, what about you? I'm Benedetta. I'm from
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Italy. I'm 23 and I graduated in mechanical engineering in Italy. And then I decided to
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come here for, um, a master program. Okay. So I'm going to attend a master program in
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mechanical engineering? No, in management of technology, actually. So I changed a little
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bit. Okay. And it took this six months to travel around Asia and Spain. The past six
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months? Yeah. When did, and so you just got here to Santa Barbara? Yeah, three days. Three
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days ago. Okay. And you said you're a master's student. Okay. Got it. And you're going to be
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here for how long? Um, I, right now one year, but I hope to continue staying here. Okay. So
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maybe I'm going to find like a job or something at minimum one year though. Yeah. Okay. All
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right. What about you? Hi, my name is Elle. I am 18. I just moved here from the East coast.
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I'm a student full time. What are you studying? Psychology. Psychology. Going into your freshman
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year? Yes. Freshman year. At UCSB? SBCC. Oh, SBCC. Okay. Gotcha. Uh, and you said the East
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coast. So like New York, New Jersey. I'm from Maine. Maine. Yeah. Wow. Wait, hold on. I have
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something for this. Wait, hold on. Yes. Grab cake and football. That's what Maryland does.
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Oh, Maryland. I got it wrong. I mixed up the Maine, the Maryland. It was close. A for
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effort. A for effort. Definitely. I've been waiting like a year to press that button. We
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could switch. I'm waiting for a girl from Maryland to come on the show. Sorry, I'm
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disappointed. Very disappointed. Maine. So that's, that's new, New England. Yes. Okay. All
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right. Cool. Do you know like where on a map it is? Could you say it? I could point
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to it. You could point it out. I could point to it. Is it a tippy top one? It's a tippy
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top. Yes. Just the tip. Just the tip. Just the tip. Just the tip. Just the tip. Just for
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a second. Traveled all the way from just the tip. I don't know. It's a long journey. Just
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the tip. Just for a second. I got it. Just to see how it feels. It was a little delayed,
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but I got it. Okay. What about you? My name is Cheyenne McGee. I'm 27. I'm a full-time
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student at UCSB. Okay. I'm a pre-med student, so I'm studying biopsychology. I'm also a full-time
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mom as well, so I don't really have an occupation. Oh. Wait. And what are you studying at UCSB?
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Mom is an occupation. Yes, it is. Several. Get it, girl. Yes. I'm studying biopsychology.
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Oh, biopsych. Okay. And how old's your daughter? Six. I have two girls. Two girls? Six and eight.
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Six and eight. Okay. And how long ago did you have them? Like six and eight years ago.
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That took me a minute. I was like, oh, yeah. What about you? Hi. My name is Rebecca. I'm 41.
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I'm from Concord in California up in the Bay Area, and I'm a full-time mom,
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a full-time office manager at a construction company. And what was the other one? I think
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that's it, right? Yeah. I think that location, age, occupation. Yeah. Yeah.
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Oh, sorry. She doesn't speak English. My bad. All right. So, Andrew, what about you?
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My name is Andrew Wilson. I'm the host of The Crucible. It is, to my knowledge, fastest-growing
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debate channel on YouTube. I am a political analyst, political satirist, and I occasionally
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enjoy debating. All right. Welcome, everybody. So, we're going to go around the table once
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more. What is everybody's current relationship status? So, are you single, talking stage,
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situationship, relationship, friends with benefits, married, polycule, sex, cult harem, whatever
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it may be? If you're single, how long have you been single? And what's the longest relationship
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you've ever been in? Go ahead. So, I'm in a situationship, I would say, with you, Brian,
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because Brian's like my imaginary boyfriend now. Oh, my God. Am I going to have to lose
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my mind again over this? I just use him as a therapist type of friend in the influencer world
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that can maybe understand the insanity of becoming, like, famous, but nobody told us that that was
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what was going to happen? Erroneous. Erroneous. Okay. Okay. So, that was that one. Yeah,
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we're not. Okay. And then, since I've been in a real relationship, like, where the person
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actually came to visit me and stuff, that would be since about a year ago. And then, my longest
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relationship was about 10 years with my kid's dad. One eternity later. That was very thorough.
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Thank you, Desiree. What about you? Single, longest relationship was, like, four, five months.
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Yeah. Erroneous. Wait, oh, what the? Erroneous. That, wait, it says, did not mean for that to go
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off there. Also, just a point of clarification. Me and Desiree are not dating. Just want to make
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that clear. It's an imaginary thing in my head. It's a one-sided. It's like, you're like my drop-dead
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Fred, you know? What is that? Remember that movie? Drop-dead Fred, right? I haven't seen that movie.
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And it's, like, this little character that's imaginary that comes and, like, fucks her whole
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life up, but she has, like, a scapegoat to blame it on. That's you for me. I'm the scapegoat. Yes.
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Yeah. So, every time people ask me, like, why I've been going off the rails, I'm like, well, it's Brian's fault.
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It works. Okay. But then I do take accountability. In any case. I still got to clean up the mess that
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you made. By the way, I just want to let you know, don't take it personally. You send me, like, a wall
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of, hold on, hold on. You send me walls of, like, wall, walls of text. I really do. DMs. And I just
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want to let you know. You never read them. I don't read them. I know. I know you don't. I'm too busy.
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I know. But I have this addiction to seeing the scene. Like, it just says scene. You get the scene. At least
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I give you the scene. Yeah. And then I get the hit. And I have, like, that anxious, avoidant attachment
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from, like, extreme childhood trauma. So, it's, like, I need a little intimacy. But if you give me too much,
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I'm going to freak out. So, I just need to see it seen. And then we're good. I didn't need you to actually
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know all that about me. I give you the scene. I give you the scene. And I appreciate that. And once in a while, a little
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heart. That's the little breadcrumb, you know, how we were starved of attention. And then they give us a
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little breadcrumb. And I'm like, oh, maybe we are really friends. Oh, my God. And then it'll be,
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like, 14 days later before I get another heart. You know, I'm like, oh, my God, it's a breadcrumb.
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See? And then I keep in the delusion. So, I mean, part of you feeds it. But it is conscious.
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I'll say that. It's conscious. So, you were, you said you've been single for how long again?
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Oh, well, like, probably, like, since the beginning of summer. So, like, well, actually a little
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before that. So, like, four or five months. Yeah. And you were on, was it three weeks ago,
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a month ago, about? Yeah. Any prospects? Any dates? Anything like that? Yeah. But, yeah.
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What do you mean, yeah? Like, yes. Dates. Elaborate. Dates. First dates. Yeah. How many? Two. Two?
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Different guys, I'm assuming. Yeah. How'd those go? Honestly, well. I mean, like, but, like, it's
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slow since, it's been slow since then. So, like. Have you, well, have you seen any of them
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second times? No. It went well? They don't, well, like, the actual date itself was, like,
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I, was, like, fine. Yeah. It's, like, good. Yeah. Like, we enjoyed each other's company,
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like, both times we got along. But, like, not really, like, successful in, like, a dating,
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I mean, yeah, not successful really in a dating sense. So, the dates went well, but, I mean,
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how long ago were the dates? Like, last week I went on two. Last week? Yeah. Okay. Have
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you scheduled? No. Have they scheduled? No. Did you ask for the dates or did they?
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Okay. Um, one of them was, like, mutual. Actually, I would say, like, mutual both ways,
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or me, maybe. Are you, well, are you intending to see them again? I'm not sure. Didn't you
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say the dates went well? Yeah, but also, like, I'm, I also just, like, might not want to,
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like, date anyone. Why's that? Because I feel kind of, like, incompatible with men, not in, like,
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a sexuality way, but, like, I just feel like I've never really had a, like, we really understand each
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other type situation. Wait, are you, if your orientation is bi, is that correct? Yeah. Okay.
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Okay. So, you date women, too, then? No. I've never dated a woman. I've just had some, like,
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Fleeting attraction or hookups? Well, I've had, like, I was in boarding school, which was all
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girls, so, like, it was kind of, like, prison where it's, like, Prison? It's kind of, like,
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prison where it's, like, uh, gay for the stay. That's what, that's what they say. I like it. Yeah.
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Like, everyone, everyone who goes to, like, boarding school for, like, a year is, like,
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gay for the stay. There's, like, very few people, very few girls who don't, like, kind of date other
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girls when they're in boarding school. Because you have no access to boys. Okay. Is the phantom dick
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thing real? I've no idea what that is. What? No idea what that is. Um. I've just heard it from
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some, like, lesbians or bisexual girls, like, when they're, it's almost, like, energetically,
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their energy builds up, like, this phantom dick when they're fooling around with each other. I was
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just curious if that was a real thing or not. Because I could see that from just different
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experiences I've had. Um, I wouldn't say I have, like, a haunting presence of, like,
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I probably shouldn't be asking. Well, no, I just mean, like, almost, like, it feels like
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there's something inside of you. I mean. In that area that a dick would be. I think that's
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just, like, being turned on. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. But I wouldn't say it's, like.
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But that's what I mean. That's what I mean. It's, like, the turn-on that's so strong, it's
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almost tangible. Like, there's a lot of sexual energy built up. You know what I'm saying?
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Actually, I do actually understand. So, wait. Are you saying you, like, ran through chicks
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at boarding school? No. I just had one experience because, like, we were
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all, like, really close. Just be honest. So, like, how many? Like, you just ran through
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a bunch, or? No, one. Like, you were, like, you have riz. There's no way. Oh, I have riz.
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There's no way there was just one. Like, you have mad riz. Like, if I was a lesbian, I'd
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be crawling with bitches. You'd crush it. I was gonna say that. You would crush it. Yeah.
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I don't know what these were. Yeah. It's certainly an option for me, but. So, it was,
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what did you call it? It was, uh, gay for the stay? Brian, you've never done a stint
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in the pen. You couldn't understand. Okay. You've had a very privileged life. Okay.
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So, um. A lot of people know what that would mean. Like, we usually go, most girls go back
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to dating guys after, or they're just bi. Okay. But so, you did have that one experience.
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How long did you date that girl? No, I, well, I didn't date her. Oh, it was, like, a singular.
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Well, we were all just, like, really close friends. So, it was kind of, like, there's a lot
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of intermingling. Um, yeah. You could, you could say that, or. What? No, I'm telling you
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to speak into the mic. Oh, I thought you were, like, I thought you were, like, signaling,
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like, what happened. I was, like, wait, I thought it was this. What is it with girls?
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Wouldn't it be this? No. No. Okay. We get it, Desiree. Thank you for being extra. It goes
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like this, you guys. All right. That's great, Desiree. Lesbian sex ed. Thank you, Desiree.
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That was fantastic. Um, so, you went on two dates. The dates went well, but,
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I think you said you don't feel like you had things in common with them. Oh, definitely.
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I just, I just, like, fail to understand men. I mean, isn't that just the nature of
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the relationship between men and women? I feel like I could under, like, I just need to,
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like, really, honestly, I just really need to, like, stay with someone for a long enough time
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and, like, really actually try to get to know them. It's kind of my fault.
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So, have they hit you up and been, like, hey, do you want to hang out again?
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No. We just, like, talk, like. Oh, you guys are still talking?
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I mean, like, infrequently. It's, like, like, once every couple of days kind of talking.
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Did you hook up with either of them? Yes. Both of them? Yes. I was also, I'm going to be honest,
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I was also. I'm disappointed in you. Kind of. Vivian? He's a dad to you right now. He's being a dad.
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Go ahead. Kind of what? I was also kind of, um, under the influence. Of meth? No.
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Meth. Meth? I don't think you're really, like. Didn't you say you went to boarding school because
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of all the meth you did? No. That was literally, bruh. Sorry, sorry. It was cocaine? That was
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Lucy. That was not. That was Lucy who was doing the cocaine. Yes. That's right. How could I forget?
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Okay. So, you were doing what? Um, well, a mix of things. Cigarettes? I would rather not say,
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but a mix of things. Amyl nitrate? Brian didn't go through a party phase, so he doesn't understand
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what people do once in a while to let loose. I mean, well, it was different psychedelics along
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with, uh, let's just say it was mushrooms. Hypothetically. There you go. Well, that was,
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that was, that was, like, two weeks earlier, and then there was just a lot going on, and
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I just, like, it was very impulsive both times, and I do, uh, it, it was kind of a poor decision
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because I don't feel like I was really looking for a relationship or at my best self at the
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time of doing that, so it was kind of, like, an irresponsible, not super serious, but, but
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I do, like, I, I enjoyed my time with both people, like, we, we kind of called that raving
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or, like, Woodstock in previous generations, but you just did it, like, privately. Basically.
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What? That's like rave culture. Like, you go, and you know you're gonna do some stupid substances,
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and do some stupid shit, but you're, like, consenting. Wait, question. You said both of
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these two dates were last week? Yeah. What was the time period between the two? Um, like,
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a few days. So, like, one on a Wednesday, one on a Friday? Yeah. What were the actual days?
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Yeah, it was, like, two days in between. It was two days in between. A three-day weekend.
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Three-day weekend. I was gonna say, oh, man, okay. Um, no, that's cool. Good, good for you.
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Yeah, I, it's, it's, like, not, no, I mean, yeah, it was an experience, like. We can, we
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can fix her. Uh, just kidding. I think you should lump those into, like, one experience
00:23:15.260
almost. It was, like, a one three-day weekend, like, extravaganza. Live and learn. Heroin
00:23:20.460
wasn't maybe your best look. You had an experience. Lesson learned. I really, yeah, I, it was kind
00:23:26.780
of, like, an itch to scratch because I don't do that typically. Exactly. A three-day party
00:23:32.960
weekend. Once in a while. Anyways, uh, what about you? I am single. I've only been in one
00:23:40.320
relationship, and that was about two years, and I've been single for two years. Single
00:23:48.500
for two years. So, I'm assuming that's the one that ended. Yeah. Two years ago, the two-year
00:23:52.920
one. Okay. Uh, any, I'm assuming, any dating in between? Two different people. How long
00:24:00.620
were those? Um, my first date, because my ex didn't take me out on dates. So, my first
00:24:07.320
date ever was two years ago, and I just went on a date a week ago. Okay. Have you, was it
00:24:15.260
just a first date? The first one was two dates. The one a week ago was one. How's it, how did
00:24:22.720
that one go? I loved it. Um. But? Uh, I'm keeping that one private. Well, is there
00:24:34.020
going to be a second date? I hope so. Um, the first date, the guy from two years ago
00:24:43.700
didn't go well. But the most recent one, do you think there'll be a second date? I don't
00:24:51.420
know. Oh. How long ago, you said it was a week ago? Yeah. Okay. All right. What
00:24:57.740
about you? So, my ex-boyfriend and I just broke up, like, one week ago. Okay. Kind
00:25:03.980
of. And we've been to, no, my longest relationship was almost two years, uh, three years ago, or
00:25:13.420
four years ago, I don't remember. Sure. Like, and that's it. I'm not looking for any, like, I'm
00:25:20.780
looking for fun. Like, something easy, but, like, not, not, like, ten people all together.
00:25:26.620
Mm-hmm. Just one that goes and come, comes, like, with me, and I decide, like, I decide what
00:25:32.920
to do, like, everything. And he just follows. Wait, he just follows? Yeah, follows me.
00:25:38.640
Like, that's my, like, right now, I want to have fun. Is that what you have? No. Or
00:25:43.540
is it what you're looking for? Yeah. Okay. Like, something easy and without problems, without
00:25:48.260
anything, just. And you said you got here three days ago? Yeah. Have you been out, like, partying
00:25:52.960
or anything like that? No. No. Oh, yeah. Do you party at all? Yeah, I do. Okay. Uh, and
00:25:58.480
you said you broke up a week ago, or what, three weeks ago? No. A week ago? Ten days
00:26:02.900
ago. Ten days ago. Yeah. How long were you dating that guy? Um, one year and two
00:26:08.620
months, like, something like that. I, I actually lived with him for four months. And did you
00:26:14.440
guys break up because you were moving here? Yeah. And he couldn't, like, uh, keep up with
00:26:19.360
this thing. Like, he wasn't fine with the long-distance relationship. And, um... Even
00:26:27.940
because there are, like, there is a gap of nine hours. So, not easy. Uh, okay. And was it
00:26:37.620
a mutual breakup? Did he break up with you? Did you break up with him? He was the, uh,
00:26:41.440
like, he, he broke up with me. Okay. And he was, um, older than me. A lot older. So,
00:26:49.280
like... How old was he? He was, he is, he is 40 and 23. So, like... Okay. We can, maybe,
00:26:56.360
that'd be interesting to talk about, like, age gap relationships a bit later. So, that's, uh,
00:27:01.320
like, 17 year age gap. Yeah. And, but you guys were dating for a year and a half. So,
00:27:06.760
did you meet him at 21? No. Or 22? Or 22? And he was 38, 39? 39. 39. Okay. All right. So,
00:27:15.380
yeah, we'll talk about age gap relationships later on the show. That's interesting. Have
00:27:19.040
you, uh, always dated older guys typically? Yeah. Not that old. Like... Yeah. Well,
00:27:24.100
you said your longest relationship was two years. Yeah. How old was, or what was the age
00:27:27.960
gap there? Uh, three years. Oh, just three years. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, never like that.
00:27:33.960
No, not that gap. Like... Yeah. That was the first time with, uh, that old guy. Okay. I see. All
00:27:39.900
right. Okay. Uh, and, uh, one quick question. So, have you been to the United States before? Yeah. I,
00:27:49.000
I've been here in high school to, um, for six months. Yeah. And then I came here like four
00:27:56.040
times to visit. Just like going around. Okay. And you said, weren't you just traveling? You
00:28:02.000
said you were like in Asia, right? Yeah. How long were you traveling? I went for one month
00:28:07.320
and a half in Asia. I went to, um, Thailand. Singapore, Thailand, Singapore. Singapore.
00:28:14.040
Yeah. Um, Japan, Japan. Yeah. And, uh, Bali. Bali. And then I went to Tarifa. It's like a small
00:28:22.840
town in Spain to do kitesurf. Yeah. Like to stay there. And that's where. Where? Tarifa. It's like
00:28:29.780
a small town in Spain. Oh, okay. It's the name. Tarifa. It's the name. Okay. Of a place. Yeah. And,
00:28:37.180
and there is where my ex-boyfriend lived. So I went, I went there to stay with him. He's Spanish?
00:28:44.020
No, he's Argentinian. Oh, Argentinian. Yeah. But he lives there. Right. Okay. And so were you
00:28:50.800
traveling with your boyfriend? No. No, I went to Asia by myself and with a friend and
00:28:55.800
then I went to. Female friend? Yeah. Okay. And then I went to his house and we stayed together
00:29:02.140
for four months in his house. Okay. Got it. Uh, but you were still in a relationship when
00:29:08.160
you were traveling? Yeah. Okay. All right. Okay. Uh, and you said you're looking for, it sounds
00:29:15.680
like essentially a monogamous friends with benefits kind of. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Or, yeah,
00:29:21.740
or whatever. I, I don't, I didn't figure it out. Okay. Sure. I don't have any plans. All
00:29:27.960
right. Well, welcome to, uh, welcome to the U S. Maybe we'll also get into, uh, dating like
00:29:34.820
American men versus, uh, European, maybe even versus, have you dated any, like, I, well, you
00:29:42.100
didn't date anyone in Asia, right? No. Okay. I just European, uh, well, an Argentinian and
00:29:49.020
an American when I was here. Okay. We'll get into that later. What about you? Okay. So
00:29:53.420
I have like kind of a similar, not the age gap, but, um, I just got out of a relationship.
00:29:58.460
It was my first and it was like kind of mainly for the distance. I mean, long distance is like
00:30:03.800
daunting, but yeah. So you're single now. Yeah. I'm single now. As of when? As of like two
00:30:10.280
months ago. Like we were still, I mean, but. Still what? Hanging out. As of? Until
00:30:15.780
I left for. Oh, so you hung out like a week ago or like three weeks ago or two and a half
00:30:20.580
weeks ago. So. Okay. So you guys hung out like right before you left? Yeah. Like at
00:30:23.820
the airport. Like goodbye. He dropped you off? Yeah. How long were you dating him for?
00:30:28.160
We were dating for 10 months. 10 months. And you said not an age gap though, right? You
00:30:32.720
said? No, same age. Okay. That was only different. It was just that you broke up because of the
00:30:36.660
distance. Yeah. And cause you're from the East coast. So this was in Maine. Yeah. I'm
00:30:40.240
assuming. Okay. Uh, okay. So 10 months, you guys, you broke up, but you continued hanging
00:30:47.180
out. Um, so was it like non-monogamous or? Yeah. I mean, like I stayed loyal to him during
00:30:54.720
the time that we hung out and like for what I know he did too. Oh, okay. It was just a
00:30:59.360
lot of like the pressure around leaving each other. Just in anticipation of leaving. You're
00:31:04.540
like, okay. Um, now who kind of wanted, cause you could have done long distance, right? So
00:31:11.620
were you wanting long distance? Was he, did somebody specifically ended or? We like, I
00:31:17.840
don't know, getting into the relationship, I already knew I was coming out here for school
00:31:21.820
and like talking about long distance, like there's always just, I don't know. I had never
00:31:26.760
been like thinking it was something I would do just like not see each other for months.
00:31:31.880
But now that we're broken up, I've definitely changed my mind about it. And I don't know
00:31:37.180
how he feels about that, but yeah, it's like, I don't know. Interesting. Yeah. But
00:31:46.120
so you initiated it. We both had like similar feelings about like not wanting to do long
00:31:52.140
distance. Okay. All right. And then what about you? Um, I guess I'm in a situationship with
00:32:01.080
my ex, we broke up a year ago, but we still fool around, um, here and there. Okay. And,
00:32:08.220
um, my longest relationship was with my sperm donor, uh, eight years. So wait, sperm donor.
00:32:14.400
I don't think he deserves the title of father, but maybe for a child. I like it. I'm starting
00:32:18.900
to go with that one too. Wait, so you're in a situationship with a guy. How long have you
00:32:25.440
been seeing this person? I've been seeing him for maybe two years now. Um, we actually
00:32:31.840
lived together before I moved out here. Uh, we broke up in November, but like I said,
00:32:36.540
we still mess around. Okay. And there was the sperm donor. Yes. Who you were seeing for
00:32:44.520
how long? That was my longest relationship. Eight years. Eight years. Okay. Why, why do
00:32:49.660
you call him a sperm donor? Because he does not deserve the title to be my children's father,
00:32:54.420
my baby daddy, nothing of that nature. That is a sperm donor and that is it. Um, does he pay
00:33:00.520
child support? No. Is he in the children's life? Yeah, definitely. Yes. He's in their life? I mean,
00:33:07.320
I guess. I don't know. Yes and no. He's there, but he's not there, if that makes sense. Huh?
00:33:12.860
Like how often does he see the kids? All the time. Definitely. Oh, but it's just because like,
00:33:18.040
say when they go with their grandmother, um, he's in the back house while they're in the front house.
00:33:22.200
So, you know, and he doesn't. So it's more like they're going to visit with the family,
00:33:27.000
his family more than him. Do you guys have a custody arrangement like through the court?
00:33:31.660
Yes. I'm actually going through a custody battle now. So. Hmm. Okay. And, um,
00:33:39.180
who brought it to the court? Him or you? Me. You. Okay. And so are you seeking full custody?
00:33:44.580
Yes. Soul. Soul custody. Okay. Is there a difference
00:33:47.820
between full custody? I think it's the same. Soul? It's probably the same. Yeah. And then
00:33:51.500
there's something that's called custodial parent. I'm like, I don't, I keep forgetting to look that
00:33:56.660
up because I'm like the custodial parent. I don't know if that means they live with us more than the
00:34:00.820
other parent or what. I know that was primary and I don't know. It's confusing. Yeah. There's so many
00:34:05.880
terms. And what's the nature of the relationship between the two of you? I mean, you, you guys were
00:34:11.840
together for eight years. Was the relationship, uh, acrimonious or contentious? It was very volatile.
00:34:18.540
Like we were close to close friends. We were best friends actually for like a year or two,
00:34:22.820
um, before we finally hooked up. Even to this day, we could be, we could talk to each other,
00:34:28.360
like we're perfectly cool and friends and all that. And it doesn't look like this beef. And then the
00:34:31.940
next second, boom, we're arguing at each other's necks. Um, yeah, I don't know if they mentioned,
00:34:38.120
but, um, crazy thing is like, we went to jail over arguing over an argument behind Game of Thrones.
00:34:44.680
Really? Yes. Well, I'm all of a sudden very intrigued by this. Where were you guys when I
00:34:50.480
was married? We would have been like the neighbors. Okay. It's not about you, Desiree. All right. So,
00:34:55.180
uh, back to this. So what was the argument? Um, we were arguing about, um, love it was about
00:35:02.940
the twins, Jamie and Sarah C. Lannister. Yeah. And I was just saying that it's so wrong,
00:35:08.520
incest and blah, blah, blah. And it's like twins and all that. But, uh, and he was like,
00:35:12.880
no, it doesn't matter. Love is love. And I was like, sounds like he has some unresolved family
00:35:17.980
trauma there. Yeah. You said in your pre-show notes, went to jail over an argument about you
00:35:25.680
both went to jail. Yes. The thing that makes me so upset and this is why I'll never call the police,
00:35:30.240
even if I get stabbed and I'm dying on the street. I called the police and I ended up going to jail
00:35:34.140
as well with him. You called the police? Yes. Was he all fucked up? No, we had just woken up. We
00:35:42.040
literally just woke up in the morning. We put on the show. Uh, we started watching it. Yeah. And then
00:35:48.900
yeah, by 11, like 11 AM, 12 or noon, like we were fighting each other up and down the hallways.
00:35:55.860
Like Webster calls this a toxic relationship. It was very, very, very toxic and codependent. So
00:36:01.640
it was just about, how long ago was this? Like, was this before Game of Thrones ended?
00:36:10.720
Yes. Way before it was. Cause yeah, you guys were together for eight years. Wait, so how soon into
00:36:16.960
the relationship did this shit, the fight go down? This is like a year later into the relationship.
00:36:22.160
So one year in. Damn, one year in, you guys are already like squabbling about Game of Thrones.
00:36:26.220
I mean, look, Game of Thrones, I'm a fan of Game of Thrones. Very sensitive subject for me.
00:36:30.860
You know, I can understand why someone would get heated over this topic. Um, so it was probably
00:36:37.380
like season. Do you know what season it was? Oh no. What year was this? What year was it? I know
00:36:42.260
what season it'll be. It's like the first episode. Yeah. It's when the kid gets pushed out the tower. Yeah. Yeah. How dare you
00:36:48.360
spoil the first episode? Oh, sorry. 10 years ago. No, it's fine. Hashtag spoilers. No, it's fine. Uh, so
00:36:54.640
what year, do you know what year it was? I want to say 2016 or 17. 2016 or 17. Okay. So it was one of
00:37:04.440
the earlier seasons. I know that. Yeah. Damn. So he was arguing incest, fine. Yeah. Love is love and all
00:37:11.540
that. Love is love. That's what, that was his argument. It doesn't. And I was just like, uh,
00:37:16.360
no, there, that's a crazy thing to have like heated argument about. I mean, but the thing is
00:37:22.580
like, what do you, have you seen house of, uh, house of the dragon? No, I haven't. You haven't
00:37:26.580
been keeping up? No, I haven't. So, I mean, there is an argument to be made in the Game of Thrones
00:37:30.860
universe and the song of ice and fire universe, at least for Targaryens, they get a pass when it comes
00:37:36.360
to the incest because they got to keep the bloodline pure. Right. Cersei and Jaime being
00:37:44.940
Lannisters and not being dragon riders. And you know, the, the dragons have been dead for a very
00:37:50.740
long time. There's not really a compelling argument to be made for incest in the age of, you know,
00:37:57.160
when the Game of Thrones was happening house of the dragon. That's a different discussion.
00:38:01.340
There's still dragons. There's dragon riders. You got to keep the blood pure for the Targaryens.
00:38:06.780
I think you were in the right in the argument. I have to back you on this one. Andrew, do you have
00:38:12.640
thoughts on this con on, uh, incest? No, I don't know anything about Game of Thrones, man. Oh, okay.
00:38:20.620
All right. So, so, uh, that is a crazy, that's pretty crazy though. That's pretty crazy. And they like
00:38:28.700
try to murder the kid over to keep their incest private. So, well, there's other concerns, but anyways.
00:38:34.860
Um, okay. And then you said, you said he's also gay.
00:38:38.600
I think he is, or he's bi, maybe. Oh. Um, I don't know. I think he's an asexual, bisexual,
00:38:45.160
or maybe he's just gay for pay. I'm not sure. Gay for pay? Yeah. Cause there's, there's a few
00:38:51.600
moments where I kind of caught him, like, um, you know. Oh, sorry. There's a few moments where I
00:39:00.500
kind of caught him, um, I guess trying to, like, I don't know how to say it. Escort himself or
00:39:06.780
something like that? Solicit? Yes. There you go. Solicit. And then I heard rumors as well from the
00:39:11.720
streets because, um, we're both from Altadena. And, um, so everybody, it's kind of a small city,
00:39:16.740
so we kind of know each other. Everybody kind of knows everyone. And yeah. There's also times
00:39:22.200
where he's also asked me to excuse the room because he, I guess he also does it on his
00:39:25.900
Oculus in the VR chat rooms and stuff. Um, so yeah. Damn. I guess once we broke up, he just
00:39:33.500
went all out full balls to the walls. Wait, you said he was asexual with you? That's what he
00:39:38.300
claims to be. That's what he says he is. Um, he's asexual. He doesn't really like people
00:39:43.940
touching him. He doesn't, he doesn't like physical contact. Like it's kind of sad, but
00:39:48.240
yeah, he's, he has his own demons and issues. And so you caught him trying to prostitute
00:39:55.240
and tricking men into thinking he's a woman? Yes. Cause he does play that. He has a really
00:40:03.500
light voice. Does he look like a woman? I don't think he does, but he does, he is, he does switch
00:40:08.700
and he's kind of, and it's a lot of people do mistake him as a woman cause he has a light
00:40:11.980
voice, a really light voice. Yeah. Huh. But I mean, he got you pregnant twice. So I mean,
00:40:19.960
you guys were having some sex, right? Yes. No, throughout the relationship, yes. But I
00:40:24.100
was always the, um, a nine times out of 10, I was the initiator. Oh, so. Hmm. Damn. That's
00:40:31.720
tough. Okay. Uh, what about you? Uh, current relationship status, I would call it a
00:40:37.260
situationship and a longest relationship 20 years. Currently. And you have, uh, children?
00:40:45.080
Is that correct? Yes. So you're currently in the situationship. You said your longest is
00:40:48.920
how long? 20 years. 20 years. Um, the children are from the 20 year relationship? Yes. Okay.
00:40:54.340
Situationship is stepfather? Father. Oh, the wait, 20 year relationship. Is the
00:41:01.480
situation. Is the situation. Okay. Were you guys ever married? Yes. Are you? That would
00:41:08.420
be the situationship currently. So you're married. Are you getting a divorce or? I'm not going
00:41:15.380
to say any more about that part. Oh, okay. Um, so it is a situationship though. Uh, so are
00:41:24.760
you dating other people or? Uh, it's open. Oh, you're in an open marriage relationship.
00:41:31.480
Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, that's why I say it's complicated. That's why I say it's a
00:41:36.320
situationship that it's not going to be elaborated on. Who wanted to open it up? You or him?
00:41:41.860
Both. Both. All right. Uh, Archduke Franz Ferdinand. You can introduce yourself if you want
00:42:01.480
Okay. Good, good, good, good. There you go. That's Anissa. She's joining the team guys.
00:42:06.320
So, uh, W's in the chat for Anissa. We need when Anissa is in the chat. When Anissa is
00:42:11.580
in the chat. W Anissa. Okay. Uh, cool. So, Andrew, what about you? How you doing? Still
00:42:18.980
married? Still married. Are we going to get a Rachel cameo, Andrew? Don't know yet. We
00:42:25.280
got to see. We need to. She's out and about doing stuff at the moment. Okay. We got to get
00:42:28.900
into the Rachel cameo. Uh, Desiree, if you can scoot into the table just a tad. So, um,
00:42:34.160
I'm not sure if, not sure if Desiree deserves to be graced with the presence of one such as
00:42:43.920
So, let's see here. Um, where do I, I'm going to get into some of the pre-show notes here.
00:42:53.940
And, uh, let's see. Uh, Vivian. Why don't we start with Vivian pre-show notes? Uh, you said
00:43:02.900
dating topics. I, I have to go to the bathroom. Oh my God. I'm sorry. Okay. All right. I don't
00:43:08.420
want to start a long conversation. Okay. Sounds good. Have fun. Good luck.
00:43:13.920
Good luck in there. All right. Just got to go to the bathroom. Uh, let me read some chats
00:43:18.680
though. While, uh, while we do that, we had whatever fan Miss Italy just needs to forget
00:43:28.040
What? She doesn't even speak. So she's not Italian American, so she's not going to know
00:43:33.040
those. It's like, yeah, she's Italian, Italian. So forget about it is like an Italian American
00:43:40.620
kind of thing. Kind of? It just means like, get out there, have fun. You'll be fine. Oh,
00:43:48.440
yeah. What? Right? Yeah. There's other fish in the sea type thing. Oh! Okay. Uh, whatever
00:43:55.720
fan, thanks for the message. Really appreciate it. Let's see here. Why don't we do, uh, why don't
00:44:00.560
we get into some of your stuff? Uh, so Jade, uh, you said you have a crazy story of dating
00:44:07.280
a criminal slash abuser, but your dates. You're what? Slash bisexual. Slash bisexual. Okay.
00:44:18.020
Uh, but your dates so far have been respectful. Uh, the most recent one. Yes. Wait. So wait,
00:44:27.940
was this the guy who you were dating for two years? The most recent? No. Who's the criminal
00:44:34.340
abuser? The two year guy? My ex-boyfriend. The only boyfriend I've had, yeah. So the guy
00:44:38.960
you dated for two years? Yeah. Okay. And then I had a date. Two years ago. Yeah. Okay. What
00:44:45.880
kind of, what kind of crime? Like. I can't say the word on YouTube apparently. Oh. It was
00:44:54.120
a, uh, it was a violent crime? No. That's a? Involving not adults. Okay. That's a yikes.
00:45:07.160
That's a yikes. Okay. Uh, let's see. You said you have a bizarre dating story. You dated
00:45:11.220
the bisexual homeless, homeless man who ended up being a criminal and you living a double
00:45:16.320
life with another woman. Yes. He ended up owing you $15,000 and going to jail. Yes. So
00:45:22.500
we won't talk about the jail part, but we will, we can talk about how did he, uh, end up owing
00:45:28.440
you $15,000? Um, so I met him when he was somewhat homeless. So he was a truck driver that lived
00:45:39.260
out of his truck and he would guilt me into giving him money. And, you know, I was young.
00:45:49.800
It was my first boyfriend and that kind of ties into the whole detransition thing. Like
00:45:56.040
I've never had a boyfriend before. I didn't know how dating worked or boyfriends. So I
00:46:02.420
was just naive and vulnerable and I just didn't know how it worked. So I believed him whenever
00:46:09.860
he needed money, I would give him money and he ended up switching jobs. So he moved to a different
00:46:18.900
state and in that state, he somehow got a girlfriend within two weeks and moved in with her and was
00:46:30.140
living a double life with her for several months without me knowing.
00:46:39.240
Um, but I'm just, I'm just curious though, if I can, if I can kind of, uh, follow up here.
00:46:45.940
Why is it that you think he owes you money though?
00:46:48.380
Um, because he would lie to me about where the money was going. Um, he had money when he switched
00:46:57.060
jobs. So the girlfriend that he had was providing him money for everything. And he would tell me,
00:47:05.380
I'm on the streets. I'm going to be on the streets. Give me money. But really it was going
00:47:10.220
to the girlfriend and even a car. So did he, I mean, did he ever say that he was going to pay
00:47:19.120
you this money back? Was that like an agreement? Yes. Okay.
00:47:24.960
Hmm. So he would spend the money first boyfriend ever. You were giving him money. He would spend it
00:47:33.220
on another woman. Yes. It's a cold world. He would, uh, travel with her old world. We take
00:47:41.280
her on dates. I never got a date. Damn. That's, that's kind of, that's crazy. Yeah. So he's
00:47:49.400
using you. Wait, was this during, wait, this was, you like, had you detransitioned at this
00:47:56.460
point? When I met him, I detransitioned. So. Hmm. Well, I mean, how soon? Um, about a month
00:48:07.060
after meeting him. Okay. So when you guys started the relationship, were you, were you acting
00:48:16.560
as though it was a same sex relationship? I mean, yeah, but that's delusional. It was
00:48:24.640
not a same sex relationship. Well, I'm not, I'm not, because this is, this is really hard
00:48:30.340
to phrase, right? Um, but I, I think you, you know, you understand what I'm talking about.
00:48:35.460
Yeah, I understand. Did you, were you guys acting as though it was though? Um, he wasn't,
00:48:41.680
he would, he wasn't, no, he would just treat me like a woman. Okay. Yeah. Gotcha. I was
00:48:49.560
going to say, because I mean, the story you told sounds like some shit that men go through
00:48:53.220
all the time, right? Not usually women. Yeah. It's like a, well, it's, it's actually getting
00:48:59.700
really common. The same thing happened to me essentially. It's like these congers guys.
00:49:04.180
Desiree, it's not, it's not your turn, Desiree. Let's say, let us, let us finish our conversation
00:49:07.880
with her, Desiree. So anyway, by the way, that's 10, Desiree. That's 10. But anyway, so, uh,
00:49:15.140
I was just curious if we could follow up. Um, did, does this guy have any intention of paying
00:49:20.480
you back or? I don't know. He's in prison. Oh, before he went, did he have any intention
00:49:27.720
of paying you back? Um, apparently he was trying to, well, his girlfriend was, but, um,
00:49:38.580
I don't care anymore. I, it wasn't about the money. I just genuinely loved him and I would
00:49:45.600
have done that for anybody that I loved if they were in that situation. It's just the
00:49:50.080
disrespect and the lying and obviously giving my money to another woman. It's, it's not about
00:49:57.880
the money. No, got it. No, I think anybody would feel like they were made to be a fool
00:50:04.060
if, if you were giving them cash and they were, you know, had like a secret double life, right?
00:50:08.580
Yeah. Were we going to ask you when you left about your dating? Do you want, about your
00:50:16.380
dating? Weren't we going to ask you a question? I don't remember. Oh, it was, I think he was
00:50:19.820
going to read the notes about her and then just start the conversation. Okay. Well, do
00:50:24.240
you want to talk about it? Um, oh, well I had like, sorry. Um, I had like, so I thought
00:50:33.120
last time I was on, I was intending to talk with Andrew, but he happened to not be there
00:50:38.280
a notification or something. So I was actually wanting to, I just, I had to host disagreement
00:50:45.640
about abortion. Okay. You can ask him about it. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I could just lay down
00:50:54.400
my argument, which is, so I don't believe that. Uh, so life is, in my opinion, does not start
00:51:05.580
at conception life. Uh, sperm is alive. Eggs are alive. So there's, you need life to create
00:51:13.280
life except, you know, when the world started, but anyways. Um, so I, my thing is viability.
00:51:21.860
I think you, I think you should be, it should be legal as long as, uh, as long as the baby
00:51:30.080
is, uh, needs to be in the stomach to survive because I believe that's an attachment of you
00:51:38.560
because anything that you do to your body, any, if you drink coffee, if you smoke, that
00:51:44.920
is going to affect your, uh, the thing that's growing inside of you. And you cannot have your
00:51:52.100
own, you, if you're pregnant, you have to really like watch you, like you could have an abortion
00:51:59.460
from an herbal tea. Like there are herbs that will induce an abortion. And so to say that
00:52:05.780
that's murder to me is not correct. And then I also have a point about IVF and, uh, I don't
00:52:14.600
think that the second. Can we, uh, if you, if you don't mind, can we stick to one point
00:52:18.660
at a time? Um, so can I ask a couple of clarifying questions if you don't mind? I don't mind.
00:52:24.920
So, okay, great. So the, uh, the first question I have is, uh, you said as long as the baby's
00:52:30.900
in the stomach, uh, then it's not murder. Is that correct?
00:52:34.440
Viable. So as long as it cannot be delivered and stay alive.
00:52:41.700
Okay. I gotcha. And so your, your ultimate dispute is, um, life, you say that life begins,
00:52:48.060
um, you know, outside of conception. What about human life? When does that begin?
00:52:52.340
So human life, I think, uh, I think when you're born, you are, you're considered legally a human
00:52:59.340
being. I, you're, it's a human, it's a human embryo. I think that's, or a human, you could
00:53:06.760
Oh, well that, I mean, that can't be true, right? Because otherwise you wouldn't say that
00:53:10.380
the woman has to keep the baby in her stomach for as long as it's viable.
00:53:13.640
I don't care about the semantics, it is a human.
00:53:15.800
Hang on, hang on, hang on, my turn. You're making the affirmative claim that this is a human
00:53:28.920
Okay. So, so, um, what does viable mean? That's a human, right?
00:53:35.480
Viable means it's able to survive outside of the womb. So it can be a human being.
00:53:43.880
Okay. Yeah. It's a human being. So when does it become a human being?
00:53:49.140
It doesn't make any sense. Do you, hang on, do you understand that makes no sense? If
00:53:53.020
you say that it's viable in the womb and it's a human being, it can't also only be a human
00:53:59.860
No, it's, it's, it's of the human species. I'm saying you have the right to, you have bodily
00:54:05.360
autonomy and, and you have to, you have to, okay, just give me a sec. You have to specifically
00:54:13.440
not kill it. You have to specifically not kill it because if you are just going about
00:54:18.040
your daily life, you could be pregnant and you don't know it and you, you drink alcohol
00:54:22.580
and then you're responsible. If that's murder, if you're responsible for your DNA that, that
00:54:28.180
you had sex and you're, you're pregnant and you have a sperm, you have an egg that's fertilized,
00:54:33.980
Hang on, hang on. You gotta reel it in because you're all over the place. You see, you're super
00:54:36.620
all over the place. So let's start with this. Okay. The idea that, um, okay, you could be
00:54:43.020
pregnant and not even know, but nobody would call that murder, right? Murder is the unjustified
00:54:48.340
taking of a life. In that particular case, if you have no knowledge that your action is
00:54:52.160
going to take a life, nobody would ever call that murder.
00:54:57.300
Like if for instance, if I, let me finish point, please. So for instance, if I was on top
00:55:02.460
of a building and I was working, I was a construction worker and I had my hammer next to me and I
00:55:07.480
kicked the hammer off the roof, uh, and then it fell down, hit somebody in the head and
00:55:11.860
it killed them. I obviously didn't know they were underneath the hammer when I kicked the
00:55:15.720
hammer off the roof. So since that is true, I would not get charged with murder because
00:55:21.660
that would not be murder, right? That would not be considered murder.
00:55:26.260
It would be considered that that's a, that's a person that died. And I, and I don't think
00:55:33.400
that if you, if you don't, uh, take care of yourself and, and you, you, your, your, your,
00:55:41.880
uh, baby dies in your stomach from not taking care of yourself, I think you have to extend
00:55:47.620
that logic. If you're going to say that it's a life and that abortion is murder, I think you
00:55:52.740
have to extend that. Yeah, but I, maybe you do, but I still don't actually understand your
00:55:57.480
position because you said, you said that it's only a human life when it's born.
00:56:03.380
I did not say that. Okay. So when is it a human life?
00:56:07.380
It's always a human, it's a, it's a human. So I don't value, I don't, it's, if it's infringing,
00:56:14.240
it's always a human life. It's of the human species.
00:56:16.600
It's okay. Got it. It's always a human life. So then my, my, so then if that's true, then when
00:56:21.660
I say life begins at conception, I'm correct, right?
00:56:25.340
No, I wouldn't agree. It's, it's life before that. It's life before that. The things that
00:56:29.860
create the fertilized egg are human life before that. It's not human life before that.
00:56:37.780
So the two parts converge, the sperm and the egg that contain the DNA of a human.
00:56:43.780
Yeah, that, that's what makes it a human. So, so the human life begins at conception.
00:56:47.820
The value part is the human part, right? I don't value the not human part. Just like
00:56:52.500
I don't value, for instance, I don't care about fish, right? If you go out with an Uzi
00:56:57.140
to a pond and you just waste a million fish with your, I don't give a shit, right? I have
00:57:00.860
no value for it whatsoever, but it's still a fish, right? It's still a fish's life. So
00:57:05.960
we're talking about human life. Human life begins at conception. Do you disagree or agree
00:57:12.160
Okay. So what makes it a human life? Well, it's, it's a human life because it contains
00:57:18.300
human DNA. It's made of human DNA. So it's, so sperm and, and eggs, which is what a baby
00:57:24.680
is made of, which everyone's made of human DNA. That's human. That's, that's the materials,
00:57:30.840
the sexual materials to create life. And when they converge.
00:57:36.240
If I, if I, if somebody took a machete and cut off your arm, your arm would definitely
00:57:47.800
No, it wouldn't. So it just having human DNA has nothing to do with it being alive.
00:57:58.960
They are living just like cell, like, just like bacteria. I mean, bacteria isn't considered
00:58:04.640
alive if it was cut off of you. It wouldn't, it wouldn't an alarm, an arm that was cut
00:58:09.840
off of you also be alive by that same criteria.
00:58:12.640
It moves on its own. Sperm moves on its own. Egg. So eggs contain living organisms.
00:58:17.180
Arms can move on their own when they're cut off of you. Yes, they absolutely can.
00:58:22.540
I'm not talking about arms. We're talking about abortion.
00:58:24.860
No, you're not talking about arms. I'm, I'm testing your logic. I'm trying to explain
00:58:28.200
to you this concept, right? That all these things that you keep on claiming make this
00:58:32.840
life, I'm claiming are, uh, present in something you claim is not alive.
00:58:38.040
That's not, uh, well, uh, so I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure out how it's actually alive.
00:58:42.760
Yeah. So I'll tell you the difference. The difference, the difference is actually an arm,
00:58:50.080
you could say is just as much of a person as a fertilized egg because it's human. It's not
00:59:00.040
Exactly. Well, yes. And so does an arm. I mean, if that's, if that's what, if that's
00:59:05.320
your comparison, um, so you could, it's actually a good comparison that, that, that you made
00:59:15.140
I'm, I'm, I don't actually even understand your position. I'm like, I'm trying to, um,
00:59:20.820
um, so what makes, what makes a person alive? What makes a person alive? Let's start with
00:59:27.780
that. What makes life? What, what is that? Um, what, so when you're alive, uh, heartbeat
00:59:36.780
is one thing. And, but I would say for person, you can be alive with no heart.
00:59:41.580
Things can be alive. Things can be alive, but they can be non, non-human or non, or I can draw
00:59:49.340
a distinction where personhood begins. Well, I mean, scientifically it's anything that's carbon
00:59:54.780
derivative, right? Biological matter. Yeah. I'm trying, hang on just one step at a time. Let me,
00:59:59.820
let me try to at least understand what the position is because I'm still super confused as to what,
01:00:04.960
what your position even is. So as we kind of back up here, let's start with what does alive
01:00:12.720
mean? What does that mean? So alive means moving on its own and basically moving on its own and,
01:00:22.340
uh, being chemically made, having a genetic, yeah. And having a genetic code that, that you're made of.
01:00:31.440
Okay. So, um, so being alive, the criteria is going to be moving on your own and having some
01:00:40.160
kind of genetic material that you're made of. I would go by the scientific definition,
01:00:46.240
which I don't have memorized, but you could pull it up if you, I would agree with the scientific
01:00:50.720
definition if you want to pull it up, but not except for the part that disagrees with, with what I
01:00:57.200
believe, which is. So the part, so you wouldn't accept the part that disagrees with what you
01:01:02.480
believe. That's specific to abortion? You would just accept the part that agrees with what you
01:01:04.800
believe? The, the part that's specific to abortion, I don't agree with. Yeah. Doesn't the scientific
01:01:11.680
definition define human life as beginning at conception? That's human life. You asked, you asked
01:01:16.000
living. So I would say the, the scientific definition of life, I, I agree with. So. Yeah. What? Well,
01:01:23.600
I don't know what that is. Do you want me to pull that up? Well, I just, I just gave, I just gave some
01:01:27.440
examples of, of what I believe life is in essence. And if you want a full thing, you can look up what
01:01:35.200
the scientific definition is and that's what I'll accept. That's what I'll use. So have you,
01:01:40.160
so have you guys heard the research? Okay. So hang on. So what if the scientific definition
01:01:45.600
says that human life begins at conception? I would even say it begins before that is the
01:01:51.680
latest research. Hang on. Hang on. Can I, let her answer Desiree. When, so, so what if science says
01:01:55.840
human life begins at conception? I, I don't agree with that part. I'm saying life in general,
01:02:01.040
there's a scientific definition, which includes things like moving on your own, respiration. Uh,
01:02:07.600
you know, when you, when you go down to like the very small microscopic levels, these, you have things
01:02:13.920
that are moving on their own, eating things. They have genetic code. So those are some of the
01:02:20.000
things, but it is a philosophical question. I, if you want me to define life. Well, the only reason
01:02:27.280
I'm asking you to kind of give me some sense of it, so I know what you're even talking about.
01:02:31.120
Yeah. I just gave you a sense. So what we're, what we're quibbling over, uh, here is human life,
01:02:36.320
right? That's what we're actually talking about is when does human life begin? Yeah. I mean,
01:02:40.560
you agree with me that a human being requires DNA from mother and dad in order to become a human,
01:02:46.160
right? Yes. Yeah. So if that's the case, then it would require the sperm and the egg to be fused
01:02:51.840
before. Can I add something? Hang on. No, you can't. Can you just, can you just let us finish?
01:02:57.280
So if that's the case, right, then it would require an egg and a sperm for it to be human,
01:03:04.240
human life by your own criteria. A fertilized embryo is a egg and a sperm
01:03:10.480
combined and they are both living separate of that. Or, or you could say that, you could say
01:03:16.560
that eggs are alive. I just said, don't you think that the criteria for human life would require
01:03:21.200
the DNA of, of both a mother and a father? You said, yes. So if that's the case, then it would
01:03:26.320
require the sperm and the egg together in order to create human life, correct? Yeah. To have a
01:03:32.240
person. Yes. Yeah. So then, so then life begins at conception, human life begins at conception,
01:03:37.680
right? I don't believe that it's fully baked because I consider a human life to be something
01:03:44.000
that is autonomous and conscious. What criteria is it missing? We're about, if we continue,
01:03:50.080
we're probably going to lose our entire panel. We're going to lose our entire panel. We are going to
01:03:54.800
lose our panel. Okay. Was it you who wanted to talk about abortion in the first hour of this
01:03:59.120
conversation? I did not choose that. I, I, I had to step up. I don't know how that came up. I don't
01:04:04.400
control the conversation. But I have no idea how it, what's going on back there? Can we figure this
01:04:11.440
out, please? I can add some of the latest scientific data. That's what I was trying to interject
01:04:16.960
of what science is coming out with. Usually the main stream. Can you guys let me, can you guys let
01:04:20.960
me know what's going on back there? Is a decade behind what the science finds.
01:04:39.520
Here, why don't you explain it on camera? Can you come explain it on camera?
01:05:00.560
I just can't stay. I have to go. My friends just called.
01:05:06.800
They just want me back at the apartment. Our roommates just are coming back.
01:05:11.920
And I didn't know how long this was going to be. Yeah, we, yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry.
01:05:17.120
But I do have to go. So, thank you. Is it because of the nature of the conversation? No, no.
01:05:22.320
Yeah. I didn't realize that they had called. My phone was over there, so.
01:05:26.160
So, I went to go check it. Just what's the reason for the leave?
01:05:30.400
They just told me that, like, it wasn't worth my time. Is there, it's not worth your time?
01:05:36.400
Well, like, I didn't know seven hours and I have homework and stuff, because I have class in the
01:05:40.480
morning, so. At Santa Barbara City College? Yes. The prestigious Santa Barbara. Thank you.
01:05:51.280
Rage, do we, is that a rage quit? I don't know if it's a rage quit, if it's a coward. It's a feminist
01:05:56.880
quit, for sure. Definitely a feminist quit. She's valuing her education over relationships.
01:06:01.600
How did we get to abortion? So, not me. The question, the question was asked if there
01:06:06.880
are any disagreements with the host. I did not ask that. Well, no, no, no. You said something
01:06:11.040
about a disagreement with the host or something. You said you wanted to bring up my notes, so that's.
01:06:14.640
It is a good topic, though. I can take it in a scientific direction with the nucleotides.
01:06:18.960
I feel like, I feel like what happened there was her friends told her not to do it.
01:06:25.680
Like, uh, Morgan, can you just take her seat? I think that's part of it. That's okay. Social
01:06:31.280
pressures. Females are extremely social creatures, much more than men. I mean, it's stressful. We're
01:06:37.360
very influenced by social pressures. Hard conversations. Yeah. All right. Desiree,
01:06:42.720
let's address the elephant in the room. How'd you address the essay on a happily married man
01:06:46.960
and show up like nothing happened? Has any apology been issued? Can you address it? Oh,
01:06:50.880
by the way, uh, on the discord, discord.gg slash whatever, I'll just post the bts of her two
01:06:57.280
friends who rage quit earlier or did a abandonment. And then we'll also post, I guess, that one too,
01:07:04.240
I guess. Um, so yeah, we'll post our discord, discord.gg slash whatever. I'll allow us to come
01:07:11.360
back to this conversation later on, but, uh, typically we like to kind of edge into things
01:07:17.760
a little bit before let's talk about abortion. You know, I know it's not your fault, but, uh,
01:07:23.920
I'm fairly confident. I'm fairly confident the panel, panel abandonment is when you invite on
01:07:28.960
an 18 year old liberal girl and you start talking about abortion. It's not going to go very well. So,
01:07:33.600
um, um, also we need to check on the NISA too. I don't know what's going on.
01:07:38.880
I was surprised as well. Uh, she's been up for a while. Um, okay. So, uh, Hillary Epstein,
01:07:47.680
elephant in the room. Do you want to address this? I thought we had kind of cleared the room
01:07:52.960
on the spot that show, like the, remember I conceded that I did do that and I felt like I
01:07:59.200
apologized and checked in with you guys to see if you were having any lingering post-traumatic stress
01:08:05.200
symptoms from my ass. So I am sorry. I'm very sorry for all of the psychological damages.
01:08:14.000
I can offer you a referral to some help for your damages if you need. I'm not sure what else I can
01:08:22.640
do, but a public apology and acknowledging that I did essay these two poor men on one of the episodes.
01:08:31.040
All right. Nick, you can pull up that super chat, please.
01:08:40.400
Why don't y'all ever have a Southern man on the podcast? All we get is Cali liberals. Y'all must
01:08:44.560
be scared of a real Southern man's input. Why is there never anyone from my side of the country?
01:08:49.600
This is all bullshit. Y'all never have a real God-loving Southerner on the cast.
01:08:54.640
Well, true. Tell you what, man, why don't you develop a YouTube channel and you can engage in
01:08:59.200
debates for half a year. And then when you're competent, actually having any sort of online
01:09:07.360
presence, we can talk about you coming on, but I don't invite a non on the show. So yeah, man,
01:09:14.640
sorry. Dylan Joe, where's Maddie? I'm scared. Also, when dating, what do we think of smoking?
01:09:18.880
Although we know it's bad for our health, you got admit it looks cool as blank. If you can pull it off,
01:09:23.600
no offense, Drew, hail to the king. Maddie's out of town for this week. She'll be back.
01:09:29.360
She'll be back next week. And also when dating, what was it? What did he say?
01:09:37.280
Yeah. So true. Yeah, man, start a YouTube channel, start uploading videos, do some debates.
01:09:44.320
Um, and six months, 12 months down the line, we'll take another look at it. If you have the chops,
01:09:54.040
we'll bring you on the show. Um, I've given way too many like random dudes shots who came on the show
01:10:01.000
and contributed nothing or detracted from it, come on the show. They're not prepared to argue with some
01:10:06.720
of these talking points from the other side. They don't benefit me in any way. In fact, a lot of them
01:10:11.440
blame me for their poor performance. They blame me for their poor performance and they're choking
01:10:21.860
So I've had dudes who asked to be on the show. I give them a chance. They expect me to handhold them
01:10:29.320
to the like W fucking own dunk moment. It never happens. And then they talk shit about me after the
01:10:36.600
show because I didn't handhold them and give them the easy layup that they were looking for. So
01:10:41.140
don't do it anymore. Don't do it anymore. It is what it is.
01:10:44.980
So you prefer to work in a female centric environment?
01:10:49.700
That's true. And Andrew's like 25 guy arms right here.
01:10:57.440
It's like in elementary school, remember the boys would say,
01:10:59.940
me and this guy versus all you girls. It was like a, it was like a, a guy.
01:11:06.820
Absolutely. Remember they always won motorsports.
01:11:13.460
Oh, you didn't use your little special, uh, grid. You didn't use your special little room
01:11:18.240
thing. Uh, let's do some reacts, Nick. Let's try to get through the reacts while you're still
01:11:25.880
Thank you. Good one. Uh, good to see you in the chat, man. Appreciate it.
01:11:31.940
Okay. Um, yeah, we, we can do this one first. Uh, so actually before we play the clip, uh,
01:11:39.720
I'll have you tab over to the other one. So before I play this clip, guys, it popped up
01:11:46.420
That's fine. You can, uh, it's the New York Post article.
01:11:50.060
So this woman actually, we reacted to her before. It's this, this is the same
01:11:54.200
woman. So she went on six dates a week. She didn't have to buy groceries for two years.
01:11:59.300
So she's just matching with dudes on Tinder or whatever dating apps so that she, uh, could,
01:12:04.520
uh, just eat for free in New York city. This woman's in New York city. When they say women
01:12:09.460
are bad with money, but you used to go on six dates a week to avoid paying for groceries,
01:12:13.260
scroll down a bit. Nick, there's a few interesting things in the article here.
01:12:16.820
Let's see. Uh, forget dine and dash former wall street trader dined to save cash. Uh,
01:12:24.180
went viral 2021 bragged that she went on six dates a week to avoid paying for groceries.
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Uh, between 2016 to 2018, I didn't buy groceries once, probably saved about $150 a week.
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And, uh, there's some more there. So let's go back. If you're able to tab back over
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to the video, we'll react to it here real quickly.
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You want a traditional wife, then be a traditional man. You cannot ask for stay at home wifey
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privileges. If you don't have stay at home wifey money, you want me to clean the kitchen. I'm happy
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to clean the kitchen. If I get to wake up at 10, I get to clean the kitchen. I get to go lounge by the
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pool. And then you come home at night. Like sure. No problem. But if I'm waking up at the crack of
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dawn with you, we're both going to our two very demanding jobs and then coming home. Don't ask
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me for anything you're not willing to do. If you want a tradition. Is that it? Um, I don't think
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she's actually really wrong. Like I don't think she said anything wrong, but like bear in mind,
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this woman used men for dates for a two year period so that she didn't have to buy groceries.
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So, I mean, nothing about her prior conduct would indicate to me that she's a traditional woman.
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Um, so she's making the claim here that she's a traditional woman sort of kind of, or at least
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she's talking about that. So, um, I guess your guys' reaction to this clip going around the table.
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It sounds like how a lot of women had have had to adapt to the wave of feminism and the economy
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stuff that's kind of pushed us into the workforce. And so I think what a lot of us are trying to
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communicate is we could switch. We could go one way or the other, because I think for the most part,
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women are starting to value emotional connection and like the sexual or romantic relationship,
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you could say, with men more than money, because so many of us are getting used to having to bring
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financial resources to the table. So I would say a lot of women, I would put myself in this category
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where I could switch. If I really was with a man who could afford the whole family and household
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thing, and it worked for me to stay home and not be earning, then I could be fine with that and
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respect the position. But if I chose a man who needed me to make money, I could also do that.
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And I, I don't know. I just feel like that's kind of the modern, a lot of us are kind of like that.
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Like, we're not saying we don't like to be home or we're not willing, but most men these days
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couldn't afford like our full life with kids and all the whole thing. So that's just my...
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Yeah, it's something. Like, I think that if you're not a traditional woman, you don't want
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a traditional man. Like, I would never stay home if my man provided me everything. Because
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if one day he wakes up... And that's right. You got to shut up. You got to let people finish talking.
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Go ahead. No, I'm just saying that if one day he wakes up and he says, okay, I'm done. You're
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like, you're alone and you don't have anything. I would rather be able to provide everything to my
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family or whatever and, and like, can decide. Because if you, if you're not financiable,
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uh, how do you say, like stable, uh, you can make a lot of choices. You have to stay at his...
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True, true. It makes you more vulnerable to get stuck in a sort of a toxic dynamic if it goes that
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way. Or even if your man passes away or something, God forbid. And I don't think that it's bad if
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you, if you decide to stay home and you're having some sort of job skills. It's a...
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Yeah. So like, it depends on your, your way to see things.
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I'm sorry to cut in, but Brian, check your, uh, check your messages from me here in a second.
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Yeah. Nick, I think you got to boost the audio back up.
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May I add something? Or were you, were you still going? Okay. Um, I think the first part of her
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video was a little bit misguided. Um, where did you, Andrew, did you? She, she has like a little
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bit of the wrong idea of what a, um, stay at home wife in reality in the majority of, you know,
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stay at home moms and what they do. 10 AM. That would be nice. And especially if you have kids,
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but, um, she didn't mention kids. So stay at home wife. Um, but the first part of her video,
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a little bit misguided. Um, I do believe that marriage is, is, or not marriage, I should say,
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but, um, if you're, you have to be willing to be fluid, male, female, whatever, mostly as female.
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Um, if you're going to be a stay at home wife, uh, especially if you do have a job as well,
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you have to be able to balance all of that and be what, be the balance relationships like that
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are like balance. If, if you're, if your man is the provider, you also, he takes care of your
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exterior. You take care of his interior. You know what I mean? You have to bring that balance. Or if
01:17:14.920
your, your life you're building together requires that you both work, then fit into that role. You need
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to be able to be versatile. And it seems like, it seems to me like, because women have had to become
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so fluid, those of us who have children, whether we wanted the children or not, we end up with the
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children. And obviously we're all trying to do our best to raise the children that we have.
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So this fluidity of the gender role with women, I think what I'm noticing is the men are having a
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little bit of a hard time catching up because there's so many of us that are just kind of like
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could do it all. And they're still used to either a traditional woman or a progressive woman. And I
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think they're kind of having a hard time deciding for themselves almost what type do I want? Or you
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know what I mean? Cause I think they have fears with both types. You hear the argument that the
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one side, they're afraid of the gold digger women who just want to like live off them. But then on the
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other side, they're afraid of like the modern progressive woman who could just leave them at the
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drop of a hat. So it's kind of like, so I need to allow the rest of the panelists to answer this
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here, but I'm just going back to you really quick. Did you, you said even if a man could fully provide
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for you, you'd still want to work. Is that correct? So like you married, let's say you, you want to get
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married? Yeah. Let's say you married a guy who's making millions of dollars a year. Yeah. Still work?
01:18:34.460
Yeah. Okay. I don't know which work, like maybe I've not put myself into like a 12 hours a day
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work, but yeah, I would definitely still work. Okay. What if he, well, what if he wanted you to stay at
01:18:49.240
home? I would say no. Do you want kids? Yeah. How many kids? Four. You want four kids? Yeah. Wouldn't
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that be a job? Uh, yeah, but I think that you can figure it out in two. Like if I work and you work
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with like, we organize things. So would you, would you want him to pay for, he could certainly
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afford it, but would you want him to pay for daycare? Like a nanny, have somebody take care
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of the kids while you went out and worked? Or I would pay for that. You said you're, you're studying,
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well, you went to, uh, in Italy. Yeah. You got a degree in mechanical engineering. Yeah. I mean,
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so once you finish with, are you going to go get a PhD or what's your plan? I would like to do it.
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And then once you enter the work, once you enter the workforce, how much money do you
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think you'll be making? I don't know. I hope a lot because I'm studying a lot to earn a lot
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and to be like, I, I don't really like, I've dated to like poor guys. And, and the thing
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is that I, I want to be like able to, to date whoever I want because I connect with them
01:19:58.080
and not like be in like a stress, stress situation for the money. So like I went to earn my money
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and then organize the family with, with someone that it's not only about like the money, you
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know, and who works. I mean, I would stay, I would stay with someone that stays at home
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and I work. So if you could pick between a guy who makes, um, let's say 50,000 us dollars
01:20:30.180
a year, which means you're going to have to work too. And you, you are going to have four
01:20:34.420
kids also, or somebody who makes a million dollars a year and you'll never have to work.
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Like, which do you pick? I would pick the one that I want to stay with. Like if I need
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someone, you got to pick one. Yeah. But you can say like in this way, if, because it's
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very like, uh, a mind thing, but all things, all things equal, I think is what he's saying.
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Like you're equally distracted for the two. Yeah. They're both good men. Yeah. One of them
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you're going to have to work and the other, I think that I would choose the one where I,
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I have to work because I have my financial like freedom. So like, but you guys are married,
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right? I don't care. That's not a point. Like a lot of people get separated, get divorced,
01:21:18.980
get whatever. I, I grew up in a family, uh, where my parents were divorced. The thing is
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that if you're married or not, it doesn't, it doesn't matter. Like you, obviously you're,
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you stay with your, um, your wife or your husband, but it can ends whenever, whenever.
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I mean, I don't know if that's like kind of European vision, but a lot of people.
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Do you intend to live in Italy? Like what's your, you want to stay here?
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I would like to stay here, but I don't know if I'm going to stay here all my life or I'm
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going to change it or go back to Europe. Let's say that, but I mean, in this situation,
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you do get divorced from a guy who makes millions of dollars, your financial stability is potentially
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arguably going to be better than your financial stability. Should you marry somebody who makes
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less than you? So let's say you go on to make $150,000. I don't want to ask money to the other
01:22:19.900
person. Like if, if our, our relationship ends or whatever, I don't want to ask money to the other
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end. Okay. That's fair. Techno Trooper donated $200. Panel, what are the top professions you feel
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most drawn to in a partner when considering someone to marry or date? What about those careers makes
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them especially appealing to you? Uh, Techno Trooper, we'll come right back to that in just a moment,
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but, uh, I'll pull that one back up. Okay. Techno. Uh, so, okay. Um, reaction to the clip that we saw?
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Oh, um, uh, I kind of started thinking about like other things, like listening to her. Um, but,
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but like money wise, I mean, money is like a benefit for sure. I hope to make enough as well to be
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financially independent to where I don't, uh. Well, the, uh, the reiteration just real quick,
01:23:22.920
right? The, just the reiteration of the clip is if a man wants to have a woman who's going to be
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traditional and stay at home, then he needs to be in a position where she can do that by being a
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provider who can, uh, provide enough to enable her to do that. Um, I mean, I think that's,
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I think you can be a traditional man without being there yet, like financially, like you can have
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traditional values and expectations. Um, so yeah, that's what I would say. I mean,
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I kind of disagree, but I also think like traditional women probably want traditional men.
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Hmm. Okay. Your thoughts on the video? Um, I mean, I agree with her. I grew up in a traditional
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household, so my mom's a stay at home mom. My dad has provided since they were like 14 years old. So
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that's what I want to, but I also don't expect a guy that I meet to be fully there yet. You know,
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I'm still young and this is a different generation. So if that's just not possible,
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I would be willing to work, but I would like to be a stay at home mom. Your reaction to the video?
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Um, well, I feel like if you're a traditional man, then you should be actively looking for a
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traditional woman. I think, um, men probably like have expectations and they expect you to change
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with them. Um, me personally, I prefer, I would like a house husband. That's what a partner I
01:24:59.360
wouldn't look for. Cause, um, what is that? What is a house husband? The roles are, the roles have
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switched. So you make the money, he stays at home, takes care of the kids basically. Basically take care
01:25:08.980
of the kids, take care of the home and do the cooking and cleaning. Cause I don't, I'd rather be
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like, I don't want to stay at home and do that. Like I've, I tried the traditional way. I was not
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happy whatsoever. Um, I love science. I'd rather be in a lab doing research and I want to just find
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a partner who's willing to stay home and take care of my home. Can you, uh, can you help me out with
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something real quick? Um, you, uh, you said that you love science. I'm also a big fan of science. Can you
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just tell me real quick, um, what the scientific process is? Um, like the scientific method? Yeah.
01:25:44.420
So, let's see. Oh, they're testing me on this too. I guess ask a question, create a hypothesis,
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conduct an experiment, um, see if it's null or whatsoever. And then, uh, it has to be repeatable.
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The results have to be repeatable. It has to be repeatable and testable. So. Yeah. No, close enough.
01:26:13.080
So you want a house husband? Yes. Okay. And, um, was this part of the conflict with you and your
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eight year relationship, the sperm donor guy or whatever that you said? Um, actually he was the
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one staying at home, taking care of everything. Um, oh, you had, you had what she wanted. It was
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just toxic. Remember? But it was very, very toxic. They couldn't even watch TV together.
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Oh, that's true. Come on. Yeah, that's true. Um, okay. Um, house husband. So it was the right
01:26:49.340
setup, wrong guy. Kind of. Oh, right now I'm not working. I'm a full, um, full-time student slash
01:26:55.220
mom. Okay. So. Oh, okay. Um, do you live with like parents or? No, I have my own spot. Oh,
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okay. But you're not working. Well, I have family housing at the moment. Okay. But he pays child
01:27:06.460
support the, or no, he doesn't pay child support the sperm donor. No. Would he be upset if he heard
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you, you call him a sperm donor? I call him that all the time. No. To his face? Yes. Like you're
01:27:20.320
dropping off the kids. Yes. You fucking sperm donor. I mean, when we get angry, yes, I call him that.
01:27:27.440
I don't, but yes, I've told it to his face before. Um, I mean, I said a lot of mean things,
01:27:32.360
so I feel kind of bad. Damn. All right. Um, your reaction to the, oh, you already gave? I did
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have a response to what you're too far from the mic, by the way. Sorry. Sorry. My bad. Um,
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I did have a response to what she said about how something about how men are afraid to something
01:27:49.260
about men having fear about what their woman wants or something like that. Well, I think maybe
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they're having a hard time with the fluidity that women have found as far as like being a
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progress, being with a progressive woman versus a traditional. So I don't agree with that. And
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here's why, um, women have asked literally through feminism to take on the roles men already have
01:28:11.100
women. Women were in the traditional role, you know, for, for eons and just up until the last,
01:28:18.380
what, 50, 60 years, they have wanted to take on more masculine roles, like having a job outside
01:28:24.300
the home. And so I don't feel like men have a fear of that at all. They're sitting back and
01:28:30.640
looking like saying that, okay, here's what we're giving you rights. We're giving you all these extra
01:28:35.440
things. Well, I just think that women in general gave a mixed message. So in that, in that respect,
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women have literally asked to take on these extra things and men are sitting. Well, not every woman.
01:28:47.340
Let me finish. So, um, so in that regard, we're taking on these roles by choice. We're taking on
01:28:56.360
these extra things by choice and men are sitting back and saying, okay, you wanted this. Let's see
01:29:00.380
you work. I let's see you. Let's see you do it. Well, I think the real problem is that. You have
01:29:04.040
got to stop interrupting, honestly. Sorry, I'm autistic. I'm done. Um, the way that I see it is that just
01:29:10.600
because feminism posed itself as what every woman wanted, that's not the case. There were tons of
01:29:17.200
women who were perfectly happy, me being one of them, perfectly happy with like the traditional
01:29:23.460
whole life role of like getting married, having kids, raising the kids, being the same. I wanted
01:29:29.540
that. What are you fucking talking about? You absolutely hated it. You write all about it in
01:29:33.300
your book, how much you hated the traditional lifestyle. You wanted to work in the worst way.
01:29:37.980
You were totally oppressed by the patriarchy. You wrote an entire fucking book outlining this.
01:29:43.240
It's because I was simply married, like in your case, right position, but wrong man, like
01:29:50.460
very, very wrong man. And so I had a very bad experience with it. But now is women against
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this exact type of relationship and tell them that it's probably bad for them and to embrace
01:30:00.540
their intersexual hooker basically. I think you've misunderstood because you gave such a brief
01:30:11.080
look through my book and just made your judgment. But what I was really expressing is that what I was
01:30:15.880
really expressing was that I was never taught how to pick a healthy relationship. Therefore,
01:30:22.600
when I got into the role that I believed I wanted, it felt completely wrong because I was with the
01:30:31.560
completely wrong guy. That was more what I was getting at. And so part of my journey back to a more
01:30:37.320
traditional mindset involved me going through the stint of feminism. Like, okay, let me see what these
01:30:44.520
girls are talking about with this, that all this craziness, freedom, liberation, all the way to come back
01:30:50.920
around to my next book will be like my journey back to a more traditional female or nurturing role.
01:31:01.560
Wait, there's no tradition here. What do you mean? You're an only fan sex worker. By no means have
01:31:09.720
you circled back to a traditional role. I'm a stay-at-home homeschool mom of three kids.
01:31:16.040
That's as traditional as I can be right now. I don't have a husband.
01:31:18.920
What is, okay, so what does traditional mean? Does that just mean a man goes and works while you stay
01:31:23.720
the fuck home? Is that all you think traditional is? Or is there a set of values with that?
01:31:27.320
I think it means prioritizing home economics and raising children if you have them.
01:31:35.400
So, so then it doesn't mean shit. So all it means is a woman stays home and she watches the kids and
01:31:42.200
the man goes out and works. That's all you think traditional is? No, I believe it's the, it's the
01:31:47.800
general submission of the woman and the general leadership and dominance of the man, if there was
01:31:54.280
one. In my case, I don't have one. So that part of the tradition is not in my life right now.
01:31:59.880
Every non-traditional relationship on planet earth can have all women submitting to men,
01:32:07.160
all of them. And it would still be as far from traditional as you can imagine. They could do
01:32:11.480
something like five, I don't know, uh, all the women go out and work and the man stays home and
01:32:16.680
the woman still submits to him, right? Like all of the criteria that you just laid out for traditional
01:32:22.120
from, it just sounds like gobbledygook to me. Like there has to be some value set that we're
01:32:26.520
looking for that we're leaning towards for why we're doing this.
01:32:30.520
I'm speaking from, I'm not speaking from like a capitalistic domestic business partnership. I'm
01:32:36.760
talking about like an agape love, like soul connection with another human where you're both
01:32:42.760
in it to win it with each other, a ride or die. Like, so basically we can switch in and out of roles
01:32:48.680
depending on the season we're each going through. So for example, if I just, if, well, maybe,
01:32:54.360
maybe it's not then maybe it's a blend, maybe it's a more, it's a bridge. It's a bridge.
01:33:00.680
It literally just sounds like modernism to me. Like traditionalism, the idea of traditionalism
01:33:06.200
is it's historically a thing, an experiment which worked. And so you're moving back towards whatever
01:33:12.280
this thing was that worked because it's better than whatever the current thing is.
01:33:16.120
Well, because we've evolved, Andrew. So we no longer live in a social construct that's going
01:33:22.200
to support traditional traditionalism, if you want to call it that. It's not going to work
01:33:28.760
anymore. It won't work anymore. We've simply evolved too far as a society.
01:33:34.520
Not only that, people are, people are desperate to get back to some sense of what you call
01:33:38.840
traditionalism by your own admission, including you. So the thing is, is like, no, I don't think
01:33:43.640
we've evolved past shit. And not only that, you know, just give my take, the woman in the video
01:33:49.480
is just a typical kind of selfish woman. So her idea here, it all starts with this false
01:33:54.440
supposition of the word fair. This entire worldview revolves around this idea of fairness.
01:34:00.600
Life's not fair. Relationships aren't fair. Marriages aren't fair.
01:34:05.720
When you're talking about equally yoked, that means something completely different than who does
01:34:09.560
the dishes on Thursday. That has nothing to do with any of that. What you're looking at
01:34:16.280
inside of one of these relationships should not be the idea of fair. It should be the idea of what
01:34:23.000
works best for your family. And what's always going to be-
01:34:27.560
So fluidity. So fluidity. You need to be fluid for the family.
01:34:29.720
Let me finish Desiree. It's okay, Desiree. Just let me finish real quick. What works best for your
01:34:34.280
family dynamic? And so the traditionalists are saying what works best for society and the family
01:34:39.960
dynamic is to have women stay at home to raise the kids, not in laboratories. And the reason they
01:34:45.320
don't want women in laboratories is because then they have to outsource the childcare. So I want the
01:34:49.960
smartest women at home raising the next generation of really smart kids, right? That's what I want.
01:34:56.680
That would make a lot more sense than wasting their potential and breeding years on having
01:35:02.440
them in a job that a man can do. So the idea here is that the traditionalist movement is saying
01:35:09.880
modernity is screwed up with our priorities set because women have become extremely self-centered
01:35:17.160
around this idea of fair, when in fact there is nothing fair. Women don't have to sign up for
01:35:23.400
a draft, for instance. That's not fair. Women are not the people who have to defend you while you sleep.
01:35:27.480
That's not fair. All sorts of things which aren't fair, but yet for some reason men are able to deal
01:35:33.080
with it and women don't seem to be able to deal with it.
01:35:39.720
So a couple of things. First of all, I was enlisted to go into the US military, but I got pregnant and
01:35:50.120
I had to sign a military discharge. So I was fine as a woman going into the military. Just a caveat.
01:35:56.040
But I will say that it sounds to me, it sounds to me like by your definition, I am actually a
01:36:03.640
traditional woman because I have made many sacrifices to figure out a way to still be a
01:36:09.800
stay-at-home mom and a homeschool mom at that of my three kids and not work outside the home. I
01:36:16.600
figured out a home business that I could do that made enough money with me only working a few hours
01:36:22.440
a week. And by the way, that's not making new content because I have tons and tons of content from when
01:36:28.040
the kids used to go to their dads every weekend. So they were never around any of that. It's no
01:36:32.680
different than how you made your online courses. Now it's there and all you have to do is promotions,
01:36:37.640
basically. Same for me. So judge it all you want. That was what worked for me. That was the supply and
01:36:43.880
demand. I tried to do the online coaching thing, writing books, the whole thing, and nobody was going
01:36:49.320
for it. I really don't think that what we mean when we say traditional lifestyle is your mom stays
01:36:55.720
home because she can also engage in prostitution. I don't think that that is traditional. I don't
01:37:01.080
think about anybody's metric that would ever be considered traditional, Desiree, ever. And so the
01:37:06.040
thing is, is I'm not even trying to beat you up about it. I'm just telling you, like, how would that
01:37:10.040
ever fit a metric for traditional? We want the best and brightest to stay at home and take care of
01:37:16.040
their kids instead of being in a lab, not hookers, right? That's not what we're after. Like, maybe the
01:37:21.960
hookers should outsource the child care. So could you, could you tell me a better way that I could
01:37:27.080
make, let's say $6,000 a month and only work a couple hours a week because I have to full-time
01:37:33.720
take care of three kids? I would do instead. What should I do? Well, of course, there's tons of
01:37:37.960
other better ways that you could have spent your time to make $6,000. I mean, I'm curious. Hang on,
01:37:42.280
stop, Desiree. Let me answer your question. So the first supposition here is that you must make $6,000
01:37:48.120
a week. Why must you? Because that's how much my cost of living is. Oh, okay. So you can't
01:37:53.160
downgrade? There's no way I live in Southern California. I live in Southern California. My
01:37:58.120
rent alone is $2,700. Wait, wait. I just want to make sure I got this right. Southern California
01:38:02.680
costs $24,000 a month to live in, huh? No, $24,000. I said $6,000. You said $6,000 a week. No, $6,000 a
01:38:09.400
month. A month, honey. A month. $6,000 a month in Southern California working an entry-level job,
01:38:15.480
Desiree. But then who's going to watch the kids? Who's going to homeschool
01:38:18.060
my kids? Yeah. In that case, because you're a single mom, you're going to have to outsource
01:38:22.780
that. There's no choice there. But I don't want to. I would rather have a bad reputation
01:38:28.480
with guys like you and raise my own kids. I don't give a shit what you think. And many,
01:38:33.320
many men have grace and understanding for my choices because they understand. This is my
01:38:38.060
point. You're making my point for me, right? Which is, okay. So what you say is, look, I'm
01:38:43.460
actually just prostituting myself for the kids, right? Because I want to be able to stay at
01:38:47.480
home with the kids. Yet I would counter and say, okay, but the integrity is absolutely
01:38:52.860
compromised. Your children are never going to thank you later. They're never going to
01:38:56.720
be like, you know, mom. My kids are not raised in a puritanical, like, sex-negative type of
01:39:04.480
culture. It's not puritanical. They're going to get to the age of reason. This is a totally
01:39:06.860
different generation, Andrew. They're not sexually repressed like your generation is. They're
01:39:12.480
cool. The women in the 70s were so sexually repressed. Tell me another fucking bullshit
01:39:17.080
lie. They weren't sexually repressed at all. Boomers weren't sexually repressed. That's
01:39:21.620
all nonsense. Overly sexualized generation, in fact. The thing is, is that this is the
01:39:27.220
first generation, the Zoomers, where we see pushback towards this type of sexualization
01:39:31.520
for once, finally. And if you think that your kids won't hit the age of reason and go, you
01:39:37.100
know, mom, I think that there might have been better fucking ways. They're there. They're
01:39:39.940
going through, the two older ones are going through puberty. So they're kind of at that
01:39:43.580
questioning everything. No, they're not at it yet. But when they're in their 20s, you're
01:39:48.320
going to have some splinter. I believe that my relationship with my children is strong enough
01:39:54.060
such that even if they had looked back and had an issue with what I was doing, I don't think
01:39:59.520
it would be any bigger of an issue than any person who comes of age and starts judging what
01:40:05.860
their parent did, I don't think it will be. In fact, I can say for sure, it's not going
01:40:10.820
to be worse than my evaluation of my parents. I'll tell you that. So at least I'm like doing
01:40:16.780
Listen, not all choices, not all choices when you fuck something up are optimal choices.
01:40:21.480
So for instance, if you are in a marriage and you choose to end the marriage, because
01:40:26.020
like you said in your book, you're not feeling like fucking, like you're an amazing queen or
01:40:30.240
whatever. Because I was under CPS order basically to leave my marriage or I would get my kids
01:40:41.440
Anyway, so whatever the circumstances are, you end up with a divorce. Okay. So when you
01:40:47.300
end up with a divorce, now you're in an immediate or unoptimal situation, which is okay. Now we
01:40:53.700
either have to split custody or one of us has full custody. You have a whole battle that you
01:40:57.320
have to do around that. So now you don't have optimal choices at this point. Okay. But
01:41:02.680
there's still better choices to be had, I think, than posting up pictures of you with jizz
01:41:07.200
on your face. I think that there's better decisions which could be made than that, honestly, Desiree.
01:41:11.900
And the thing is, is like, fine, you can say, no, you know, Andrew, but what this has done
01:41:16.740
is it's allowed me to have enough money to do A, B, C, and D. But that's all shit for you.
01:41:22.240
You just love the fucking attention. You're not doing this shit because of your kids. You
01:41:26.720
do it because you love the fucking attention. You just love it. It's your favorite. And I think
01:41:31.460
that you should just stop coping and be honest about it. May I add something?
01:41:37.140
May I add something? Go ahead. So some other options. My kids are 19 going on 20 and 16 going
01:41:44.080
on 17. Back when they were young, both of them, I was lucky enough and we were able to provide for
01:41:51.440
the households that I could be a stay-at-home mom for a few years while they were little. During that
01:41:54.980
time, I didn't work. During that time, I found other pursuits that were maintaining of my self-respect
01:42:00.260
and my dignity and the respect of my family members and friends. I started a business and
01:42:06.360
ran that business from home where I was a seamstress. I made clothes. I made prom dresses
01:42:11.760
for underprivileged females in high school. And I did, you know, alterations, fully made clothes.
01:42:18.620
That was a fully sustainable business for me and it provided extra income for the family,
01:42:22.340
not for myself, but for my family and helping raising my kids. And that is something that I
01:42:27.280
feel is an alternative. Use your skill. And unfortunately, I, okay. So in the second time
01:42:33.900
when my son was born and he was until the age of two, I was able to sit down and put words on paper
01:42:40.680
and I have yet to put that into actual publishing. So I have a book waiting to be put out. So there's
01:42:46.220
that on the table. And right now, even though I'm working full-time, I'm not a stay-at-home mom,
01:42:51.160
I'm looking into starting another business and doing, you know, like organic skincare,
01:42:55.960
stuff like that. So those are all the respectable things.
01:42:58.620
So I actually had careers. I had side hustles doing all that.
01:43:02.560
What are the top professions you feel most drawn to in a partner when considering someone
01:43:07.480
to marry or date? What about those careers makes them especially appealing to you?
01:43:17.080
We didn't answer it. I told them we'd come back to it. So what are the top professions you
01:43:21.240
feel most drawn to in a partner when considering someone to date or marry? Go ahead.
01:43:25.600
Um, mine would be entrepreneurship and specifically in social media, like social media marketing,
01:43:33.940
Uh, I think psychology is a great skill that I would value a lot. So like a therapist or
01:43:54.560
You want to date a therapist so you can tell them all your problems?
01:44:02.240
Well, I just think they're like more emotionally in tuned.
01:44:10.020
Because if you're a therapist, I think you should, well, you should have more skills than
01:44:18.660
Yeah. And it's, it's an odd thing because to be honest with you, we get very almost calloused
01:44:25.100
because we hear so many crazy things. So in a lot of ways we start to almost lack empathy
01:44:31.640
because we hear it over and over the most horrific things. So that's why a lot of people think I'm
01:44:37.200
literally like a narcissist or a psychopath or something.
01:44:41.800
So I know she's sitting right next to you, but like the way the camera angles work, just talk
01:44:46.380
straight, straight, keep your head straight into the mic. Go ahead.
01:44:49.700
Yeah. So it's not what people would think when you are in a clinical setting or in any sort of
01:44:55.460
setting where people are coming and telling you like their deepest traumas or confessing to you
01:45:00.900
things that they have done, especially after 10, 15, 20 years of that, as I did in church counseling
01:45:07.180
and all this stuff. And now even in doing OnlyFans, a lot of my chats are people.
01:45:13.620
I'm sorry, I have to interrupt you. Psychology is a soft science. What a great use of four years
01:45:17.780
to get a degree to be a receptionist. Desiree, on one hand, like you don't need to quip
01:45:26.440
every single time. Like sometimes you can just not equip. Like you're just throwing,
01:45:32.400
like you're, you have to add on after everything, every time somebody says something, you don't got
01:45:38.600
to do that because this show will go way too long. If I have to go to her, then you have to say a
01:45:44.440
statement. I go to her, you do a little quip. I go to her, you got to make a statement about it.
01:45:49.160
I go to Morgan, you make a statement, just keep it pertinent. Okay. You don't got to like,
01:45:55.440
you've been talking for 30 minutes. You've talked more than she has. And it's her thing.
01:46:01.760
Okay. Just like, let people talk. It's just my autism. So I, when I am passionate about something.
01:46:08.720
That's cope. People who are autistic don't have to like constantly be like, let me,
01:46:14.140
let me be the center of attention and add on to what everybody else is saying.
01:46:19.720
Well, what it does is it triggers, it triggers my autism. So if you can keep your autism under control
01:46:24.900
so that I can keep my autism under control, that would be fantastic.
01:46:31.020
It triggers our autism. It triggers everybody's autism when you're being autistic. So if you
01:46:35.880
My autism is going out of control right now. Okay. Um, so, okay. You want to date a therapist.
01:46:47.400
Well, okay. So the question is, what are the top professions you feel most drawn to in a partner?
01:46:56.580
Are there any professions where you're like, oh, that, that would be kind of attractive. Like if
01:47:00.440
they're a doctor or a lawyer or something like that.
01:47:03.800
I think a therapist and a doctor I'd consider attractive.
01:47:09.140
I never thought about that. I, so a therapist, I dated a homeless guy and never thought about
01:47:17.180
that. Okay. All right. What about you? Profession?
01:47:20.840
I don't think I have any, like I would date someone that. Okay.
01:47:25.260
What he likes. I don't know. Like I don't feel, I, I don't.
01:47:28.480
Okay. So, so here, let me, let me make this easy. So you're saying if I present to you two men
01:47:35.660
who are about the same, treat you well, whatever, one of them's a doctor and the other works at
01:47:41.920
McDonald's, you're not going to have, you're not going to have even like a little preference towards
01:47:48.740
Yeah. Yeah, I do. But I don't have like one specific job. I mean, you, I did a guy that
01:47:57.920
was a, a kite surf extractor. So like, uh, Morgan, anything for you? Football player?
01:48:03.720
Yeah. Pro athlete. Pro athlete. There you go. Okay. NFL or NBA or what do we?
01:48:09.100
Any, I don't know. NFL maybe. NFL. Okay. All right. What about you?
01:48:12.920
Um, I would either choose like a chef or, um, a physicist, preferably quantum physics or a
01:48:18.360
scientist. That's specific. Cool. Cool. Anything for you? Uh, given your example, I would obviously
01:48:23.300
choose the doctor in your example given. Um, but overall I really don't give any thought. Um,
01:48:28.740
I would consider the McDonald's worker or the, the, you know, I'd never really consider that in,
01:48:36.280
in the equation of considering a partner. What about you? Maybe like a lawyer.
01:48:41.060
Lawyer. Okay. What kind of lawyer? Maritime? Um, I'm not sure. It could be any.
01:48:47.540
Any lawyer. Okay. And then we had Hillary Epstein psychology is a soft science. What a grace use
01:48:54.480
of four years to get a group, get a degree to be a receptionist. That's from Hillary Epstein.
01:49:00.460
Thank you, Hillary Epstein. Appreciate that. Let's do some more reacts. Let's move it along.
01:49:04.600
Uh, if you can pull it up, Austin. Yep. What do you want to react to? Well, just what, whichever one's
01:49:10.640
already up. Okay. It should already be up. Is it F11? Yep. Okay. Uh, this is Jade. Wait, can you zoom
01:49:18.560
it out a bit? It's like super zoomed. Okay. Oh wait. Uh, zoom it out more. Now you might be wondering
01:49:26.600
why, why, why I pulled this up. I noticed you cropped out a guy there who's like blasted in
01:49:32.660
tats. My bodyguard. Is there, wait, you have a bodyguard? Kind of. He's like my family members.
01:49:40.760
Oh, okay. Related. Yeah. Okay. He's like, I thought it was like maybe a boyfriend or something like
01:49:46.320
blasted. No. Oh, he's gay. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Oh, all right. Uh, let's do the next one,
01:49:52.200
Austin, if you can get the next one going. Uh, okay. This is your TikTok. So we, uh, we're
01:49:58.220
going to react to some of the TikToks. So, uh, can you mouse wheel, we'll make it a little
01:50:03.480
bigger or it's, uh, yeah, a little bigger, uh, too big. That's that three. Yeah, that's
01:50:11.300
good. Uh, so this first one, I just want to know what it is about me that this is your,
01:50:16.400
I guess, most viral one. We're not going to play it. Don't worry. I just want to know what
01:50:20.160
it is about me that makes guys reject me while other girls my age have had multiple
01:50:24.780
boyfriends and talking stages. Um, so you're, you're 24. Yeah. But I mean, you did have
01:50:32.620
a boyfriend, the homeless guy. He would see me like twice a month. So I don't know if I'd
01:50:39.240
consider it a boyfriend, but he was my boyfriend. And so kind of that video went viral. Yeah.
01:50:47.760
Uh, but I'm sure you got like a lot of DMs from guys, right? Uh, no, not really. Not
01:50:53.700
really? No. No. Okay. A bunch of girls. A bunch of girls. What did they say? Yeah. Um,
01:50:59.080
supportive things. Some lesbian woman. Oh, some girls were like interested in you. Yeah.
01:51:04.840
Can you pull it back up really? Uh, Austin, uh, mute the audio.
01:51:11.060
Oh, no, no. So do you know how to mute the audio? There's a button at the top of the keyboard.
01:51:15.380
Make sure you don't press that one. Okay. Um, okay. Click, click it. Okay. Oh, at this
01:51:20.380
point it's hopeless. We're not going to, no, no. We're not going to play the audio. X out
01:51:22.380
of it. Just X out. Okay. At this, so it's hopeless? When did you post this? Um, I think back in June.
01:51:30.380
Okay. Um, okay. A couple months ago. Yeah. June, July. Okay. So you struggle with dating? Yeah. But I think I kind of know the reason why. And it's not the theories in the comments. Um, I think it has to do with my detransition.
01:51:47.380
Like, I technically grew up my teenage years the way a boy would. So I don't know anything. I never experienced being a teenage girl, you know, how to navigate boys. And I don't know anything.
01:52:09.380
I never experienced being a teenage girl, you know, how to navigate boys. And I'm experiencing that now. Like, I never dated. I just had the one boyfriend. And I only get men in a friendship context. Like, I don't know. It's socially acceptable romantically. So, but you know, I take it personally. And that's why in the video, I'm comparing myself to the woman around me. You know, they get approached. They talk about having rosters.
01:52:38.380
And I just don't get it. But I think it has to do with my detransition. Aren't you on? Oh, we also have your dating app profile, too. You're on your how long you've been on the dating app for? Two years. Two years. And then you also have your social media presence. So I'm assuming you're getting quite a bit of it. I mean, maybe you're getting some attention, right? Some DMs? Um, I guess.
01:53:05.460
Well, there's a differential here. So are you not getting the attention from the type of men that you want and that you're attracted to?
01:53:17.560
Um, people with anime profile pictures. I don't know. Not real men, you know? Like, or they live in different states. Um, unrealistic things like that.
01:53:29.180
Nope. Nope. Okay. Um, pull it back up, the TikTok.
01:53:49.040
Okay. So, uh, the, the one on the far right here, women approaching men first is a 99% success rate.
01:53:59.920
Uh, so why do I keep getting rejected and ghosted?
01:54:04.180
Um, so I'm going to tie these two TikToks, these, these first two together a little bit.
01:54:15.440
Um, first with the rejection or, well, going to the rejection one, how many guys have rejected you?
01:54:22.140
Um, I don't know a number, but I think that was more so tied to the first date that I had.
01:54:30.580
And after that, you know, approaching guys, I think I'm just too bold romantically.
01:54:44.600
Well, so did you approach the first guy that you went on a date on with?
01:54:59.740
And this is the guy from like two years ago, right after you broke up with your two-year boy.
01:55:16.780
I complimented him and he asked me out on a date.
01:56:08.400
Because women will say, like, I made eye contact with him.
01:56:12.560
Um, and that's, like, the female version of making a move.
01:56:16.160
So I need you to be very specific when you say, like, you're making the move or you're
01:56:21.560
At bars and nightclubs, are you walking up to men and saying, hi, I'm Jade?
01:56:27.320
I guess not, like, saying hello, but trying to approach them.
01:56:43.020
Are you walking up and standing next to them without saying anything?
01:56:58.840
I've been told that that's not acceptable as a woman.
01:57:10.320
But tell me, so, okay, pull it, pull it back up, the tick, uh, tick tock.
01:57:15.920
Women approaching men first is a 99% success rate.
01:57:22.020
So aside from two years ago, when you sent, you matched with a guy, you sent the first
01:57:26.840
like on the dating app and you sent the first message.
01:57:31.460
I mean, not, not really what I call putting yourself out there.
01:57:38.620
But that's also, but you didn't really, I mean, I mean, that also has to do with me DMing
01:58:25.100
Are you sending this, like, who are you sliding into the DMs of?
01:58:38.720
Like, so you'll, would you say I saw you on Hinge?
01:58:44.480
So the context there is, it's not like you're sliding.
01:58:47.000
Have you slid into the DMs of, like, someone famous or something?
01:59:04.960
Did you flirt with them or have any back and forth or anything?
01:59:08.300
I just, that's, I don't want somebody with that type of platform.
01:59:14.260
I mean, aren't you a content creator or streamer?
01:59:36.240
Like this shit's going to get canceled next season.
01:59:41.500
Okay, so you don't want to date somebody in the entertainment industry?
01:59:55.500
In your TikTok, you say you do though, kind of.
01:59:58.920
And you also say like you struggle with dating, yet these super successful, I assume attractive
02:00:06.220
men have slid into your DMs, but you reject them.
02:00:17.580
Didn't you say that the guys who, these famous guys or whatever who DM you, you reject them?
02:00:22.400
Um, well, there was one that was just inappropriate, so.
02:00:31.280
I didn't like that, so I ghosted him because I'm not dirty.
02:00:35.740
The other one, um, he ghosted, and I think it's just because we didn't get along.
02:00:43.940
Um, so yeah, I see why he ghosted, and there was another one that ghosted, same situation.
02:01:00.480
Honestly, different make style many men would be in to you, Imo.
02:01:03.960
At what point do you tell them your switch is the real question?
02:01:07.060
If early on seems like it will make them leave, how do you do that?
02:01:29.140
Any other girls want to share your current status?
02:01:32.540
I'm like, I have like the same luck, I feel like, as you.
02:01:36.960
Bro, you just smashed like two dudes in like a week ago.
02:01:40.700
Well, that was like me being impulsive and not calculated and like trying to, you know,
02:02:17.120
I also feel like in this day and age, I think men, more like, I feel like men want us to
02:02:24.240
I guess because they're tired of being constantly rejected.
02:02:26.820
I think they want a sabbatical from their traditional, like, hunter role.
02:02:32.580
Like, and I think there's like these almost alpha females rising up in the culture to be
02:02:40.000
Because I kind of do have the same problem, too.
02:02:46.340
I kind of do have the same problem, too, especially the height seems a little intimidating to me.
02:03:28.160
I'm perfectly fine with the roles being switched.
02:03:31.400
I'm perfectly fine with the roles being switched.
02:03:33.360
Unfortunately, I'm still trying to muster up the courage to start approaching men and talking to them.
02:03:41.100
The little look and stares that we think is our form of flirting, or at least I do.
02:03:58.980
I like chasing, and I like initiating, and I guess guys just don't like that.
02:04:13.180
So you said earlier, I was kind of taking notes as you were going, that you thought that some of this had to do with the detransition.
02:04:22.060
But I wanted to make sure that I got some of the numbers straight here.
02:04:24.520
If I remember earlier in the conversation, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, you said that you didn't actually begin the transition until you were 18, right?
02:05:09.480
And so why do you, but why do you think it's the detransition?
02:05:13.360
Like, I don't even think anybody would ever know that unless you told them, right?
02:05:16.360
No, it has nothing to do with, like, the health issues or, like, the voice.
02:05:28.320
Like, when I was detransitioning, my mom and sister were catching me up on little things like, don't do your mascara in the car.
02:05:49.100
I mean, you remained in the gender role of a woman until you were 17 years old.
02:05:56.060
I mean, it's not like the social cues weren't there for you to see for those 17 years, right?
02:06:28.340
So when we're talking about the idea of the construct of gender or whatever, you lived to your gender as a boy, right?
02:06:38.100
From age 11 until age 18, well, actually until age 21 almost?
02:06:55.820
I think it was my social setting that groomed me into that.
02:07:05.440
But, I mean, they couldn't fight me on it because they were guilted by a psychologist and socially.
02:07:18.780
So, essentially, right now you're trying to, so, I mean, I don't understand.
02:07:23.440
What was, when you were in high school then, were you trying to have a boy experience or were you still treated like a girl in high school?
02:07:29.880
Um, I was treated like a boy because it was a very liberal school.
02:07:47.860
Well, I mean, neither do most women, so don't feel bad about that.
02:07:59.840
I have to ask, do you think you were mature enough to transition?
02:08:03.340
Desiree, reading your book, should read traditional woman Jen Harrison.
02:08:35.580
I was bullied by girls about my body, um, how I looked.
02:08:52.080
And then this one must have came in, but the audio was muted.
02:08:59.480
Hey guys, here's $200 to let you know Andrew is over on his stream trying to talk to you,
02:09:24.740
Can you pull back up the window tab with the TikTok?
02:09:32.760
Actually, just put in the, uh, let's do window tab.
02:09:39.220
Uh, so, women approaching men first is a 99% success rate.
02:10:00.160
Um, but you said you would try to like go to the club and just like be standing there
02:10:07.760
I did approach a guy actually in Europe, but I guess he had a girlfriend.
02:10:26.000
Um, have any of the men told you why, uh, when it comes to like the rejection and ghosting?
02:10:32.600
Um, no, my first date that I ever had, well, I kind of have an answer to it.
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He came across as a guy that was traditional looking for a girlfriend, wanting to take me
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And I got the impression that that's where it was going.
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And once he slept with me, he ghosted and I didn't understand why, uh, for the past two
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years, I thought that there was something wrong with me.
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Um, I thought that he was just on an endless search for the perfect girlfriend, but he just
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told me that he wasn't ready for a relationship just out of the blue.
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So this is the guy who you dated right after the breakup of your two year relationship.
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And then two dates and then you hook up on the, have sex on the second date.
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Not in touch, but wait, but this was two years ago.
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I don't know why he just decided to reach out to me.
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He wanted something casual and I told him that I didn't mean to give him that impression
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If that's what he wanted, I wouldn't have slept with him.
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I got the impression that he was taking me seriously, that he actually liked me, that he
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Um, so he just hit me up for something casual and that's when I realized, yeah, literally
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And that's, sorry, that's when you realized that I was just used.
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He didn't communicate to me that I guess he was using me.
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So did you have an overt conversation about expectations?
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It's something about, I can introduce you to my guy friends as my girlfriend that, like
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little things like that, that would indicate and talking about taking me on three, taking
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me out on three dates, making me his girlfriend.
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And he just comes off as a traditional guy on his Hinged profile.
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Um, and so would this have been better or worse if you guys had dated for three months and
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Well, I mean, so at what point, like, do you think he was in the wrong for what he did?
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I don't personally, no, not, I think the miscommunication is wrong.
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I want something casual, not give the impression that you're taking me out on a date to get
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Yeah, somewhat indicated on his profile, would say little things like that throughout the
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Wait, he said it on his profile or he said it to you?
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You know how on Hinge it's like looking for long-term?
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It's like, you know, on Hinge it's like looking for long-term relationships.
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But do you see how things are starting to shift here?
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So initially you said he told you these things, but now it's.
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So on a dating app, you can say, I'm looking for this.
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And you could say, I'm looking for short-term, I'm looking for long-term.
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Well, does that bind him to date you in perpetuity?
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If he goes on one day with you or sleeps with you, is he bound to continue seeing you?
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I just didn't like the miscommunication because I wouldn't have gone out with someone if they
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Well, I don't know if there's actually any sort of contradiction here in terms.
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So perhaps on his dating profile, it said looking for long-term, but he has no qualms
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And could there have been, is there anything that you could have done to contribute to him
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Were there any sexual hangups that occurred or anything?
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Well, for example, if I otherwise really liked a girl and she started crying during sex,
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even if I was previously inclined to have a long-term relationship with her, like I would
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have alarm bells going off in my head, like, yeah, there's something wrong here.
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I guess he just confirmed to me that it was casual the whole time and it kind of broke my
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And the fact that I had just gotten out of a relationship and, you know, that the intimacy
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in that was not necessarily romantic, it just, it felt bad to hear that his intentions weren't
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As for your comments about, like, it's social taboo to, like, flirt or hit on a guy, I actually
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I think most men would actually invite, look, we don't want you to, like, come up to us
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I personally would find out that a little bit too much.
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But, like, you can be taking the initiative and still do so in a fairly feminine way that's
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And so, me personally, like, if a girl, like, slides into my DMs and is direct in the sense
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that, because some girls will, like, slide into the DMs and be, like, ask me, oh, like,
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But then they're, like, trying to actually, oh, actually, I don't want to be on the show.
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Like, it's just, like, you can just be like, hey, I'm interested.
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Like, at least for me, I have no objections to a girl.
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And I might come across as that I don't want something genuine.
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You know, I guess it could come off as desperate or sexual.
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I get a lot of times that they almost think that we're, like, trolling them or, like, we're
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And if I come across that way and they don't like it, I guess I don't like that I have to
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be sitting there hoping that he's going to kiss me, hoping that he'll hold my hand, hoping
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And I hate it because I don't just want to sit there and hope that he does something.
02:18:51.040
Well, with this guy, did you initiate the first kiss?
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I guess, yeah, I leaned in and he followed, yeah.
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But, yeah, and then following that, I initiated everything with both.
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Are guys just, like, actually, I want to open up to the whole panel, those of you who've
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had some recent dating experience, are guys, like, scared to make the first move?
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I believe they are, especially as a generation.
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And when I say first move, like, going in for the kiss or moving things forward sexually?
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And maybe it's because of the whole, like, Me Too movement or, I don't know.
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I think gender roles are really starting to switch and change up, especially since sexual,
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you know, sexuality and gender is very fluid now.
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Like, guys, are they scared to go for the first kiss?
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I'm not making the first move, but if I am, like, kind of, like, bold and I'm, like,
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trying to push things forward, I feel like it's not really well received.
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Well, could they just, like, are they just not into you at all?
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A lot of guys who are normally monogamous may take advantage of a girl who naively puts
02:20:23.260
They'll rationalize that for once they get to be the blank.
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I am also feminine, and I do like them to initiate, but I'm just, I'm very romantic.
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I like to be bold, and like you said, it's just not received well.
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Well, so, but, I mean, so you're saying you have gone in, but, like, do they actually
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Oh, well, I don't, no, I don't, I'm not physically initiating.
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I'm like, like, if I am like, really, like, I have a tendency, I guess, to be a little too
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communicate, like, I will kind of get obsessed with people, so I text too much, I feel like,
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You have to text after one hour, or they'll be freaked out.
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I'm like, I will just get really obsessed with people.
02:21:38.360
Okay, so we were talking about, like, going in for the kiss.
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Well, I thought, I was just talking about, I'm bold, like...
02:21:48.020
Well, I, I kind of, I was, like, pursuing a guy for a really long time.
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It was, like, the first guy I ever, like, tried to pursue.
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I had never been in a relationship, and I, like, kept, like, he was just talking to me
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because he probably enjoyed, like, the attention, but he did not want, like, anything to do with me.
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He was, like, he was, he would be, like, talking to me and stuff, but, like, he made it clear
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he didn't want to date me, but I just, like, kept, like, well, I kept, like, talking to him
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as, like, a, like, you know, sending him reels or whatever, and he would talk back,
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and because I, like, was hoping, I got, like, friend-zoned, basically.
02:22:36.000
Oh, well, also, on, also, like, if I, when I first meet a guy, I feel like I talk a lot,
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It's probably that, like, very opinionated, I feel like.
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So, you said that, like, you put, like, you, you do too much.
02:23:06.060
He was, like, in my history class, and I DM'd him, like, pretty early on in the school year.
02:23:24.940
I mean, I definitely, like, told him straight up.
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I can't remember what I said, but it was, like, I maybe said, like, you're cute or something.
02:23:34.600
Or maybe I, like, directly, like, asked him to, like, hang out.
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I think they try to be polite, maybe, about it.
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Like, if I have to say no, I say, oh, no, I'm not in this situation.
02:24:06.940
But if I meet someone that I like, I go on and, like, I think it's just normal.
02:24:14.560
I feel like in today's atmosphere, to answer your question, Brian, are guys just taking
02:24:20.920
In that regard, I feel like it has a lot to do with the atmosphere surrounding feminism
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and where it's gone over the last 50 years, how women are stepping up and they want, you
02:24:31.940
know, like I said before, taking on more of those masculine roles.
02:24:34.660
Men are taking a step back and women are stepping up.
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And also, it has to do with the mixed signals females are getting.
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For some people are telling me you were muted, but.
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Going back to you, Jade, you said, remembering the time I went viral for getting done so horrendously
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I had to delete it because of the girl's privacy, but it was a video of me catching him cheating.
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So I found her profile, and I just filmed myself, and I think the caption was, like, just found
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out my ex was living a double life, and I have his name tatted on me, and it just blew
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He was actually named Malachi because of Children of the Corn, because he looks like him.
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That's what I was referencing, was Children of the Corn, Brian.
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I mean, was it any solace to you that I think in the movie Malachi dies like a horrible
02:26:37.860
I think he gets, like, ripped apart by demons in the movie.
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He already is dealing with the horrible fate, so...
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How soon, like, in did you get his name tatted?
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And I felt like if I didn't do what he said, he would leave or do something terrible.
02:28:05.820
How much aura did I lose when I bought a bouquet of sunflowers for my ex-boyfriend?
02:28:13.980
But only to find out that he gave that bouquet to the girl he was cheating with.
02:28:19.080
Till this day, I have never received flowers from a guy.
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She posted a picture of him with the bouquet and she was like, oh, he's so romantic.
02:28:56.880
I'm sure, like, after a girl posts some shit like that, aren't there going to be a bunch
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of, like, simps in the DM, like, oh, I'll get you flowers?
02:29:02.180
As I said, anime PFPs or guys that live across the world.
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We have a picture of my husband making his flag on.
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Or, actually, Anissa, can you read what this says?
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My husband is making us fly home from our honeymoon after one day because he found out
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I sent my ex a simple goodbye text on the morning of our wedding.
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Not a drop everything and meet me at the altar text.
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I need to say goodbye to have closure on the unmarried part of my life.
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Please tell me my sensitive, nostalgic girlies understand.
02:29:58.640
And your guys' reaction to that, is that cool for her wedding day, whatever?
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I think she should have taken care of that, like, the night she got engaged or something.
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That should have been way before she even got that committed in a relationship.
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I mean, she kind of already explained, like, all the detransition stuff.
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Every time I hear, boys will be boys, my heart shatters for the little...
02:31:07.880
Every time I hear, boys will be boys, my heart shatters for the little girl in me that
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once believed men were going to be princes when I grew up, every time.
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It's a short and simple saying, too short, as if there's a deafening silence that finishes
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There's an unspoken discussion that should precede it, but there never is.
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You can't argue against the phrase once it's spoken.
02:31:42.480
Yeah, actually, everyone does tolerate man whores and men being promiscuous.
02:31:48.840
So, women grew up believing they would get princes?
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Because of my dad and how my brothers were raised.
02:32:01.840
So, it was very shocking to me to see how boys...
02:32:06.120
How they were actually like and not like my dad.
02:32:14.580
Because some people, sometimes we bring up tweets and people be like,
02:32:20.520
But, like, and I'm not saying this to attack you or insult you.
02:32:27.380
But, like, if you're looking at the value proposition here.
02:32:32.340
So, you willingly were in a relationship with a guy who was a
02:32:39.140
abusive, you spent $15,000 on him, he was homeless, you still have his name tattooed
02:32:48.280
And I'm not saying this to attack you, but, like, looking at all these things from a guy's
02:32:53.740
perspective, it's like, how am I supposed to give a girl the princess treatment?
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She's got a tattoo of a dude who treated her like shit on her.
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I'm just saying, like, if, like, I can't give a girl the, first off, I don't do that
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I can't give a girl the princess treatment if she has a mark on her with another man's
02:33:19.220
Like, and I'm, look, I'm sure the guy was a jerk.
02:33:24.600
But it's like, in order for you to receive princess treatment, like, don't you have to
02:33:32.300
And I'm, again, I'm not trying to insult you, but it's like looking at it from an outside
02:33:36.260
perspective, it's like, do you, are you a princess?
02:33:40.720
Um, well, I think if you don't love me enough to wait a few months for my tattoo to disappear,
02:33:47.320
then, okay, that's fine, but it's not permanent.
02:33:53.740
And I was so young, I think that because I was so sheltered and didn't realize that's
02:34:01.140
how guys were, that's why I got taken advantage of, because I grew up in that environment where
02:34:11.380
I didn't understand that guys just weren't kind and that he was taking advantage of me.
02:34:19.680
But when you first met him, did you know he was homeless?
02:34:25.860
Yeah, I mean, he was working as a truck driver, and that's how he lived.
02:34:49.320
But I don't think my value is diminished by what someone else inflicted on me.
02:34:58.420
I'm sure we've all had people that have hurt us in some way.
02:35:02.500
I don't think that's a reflection of how I am capable of loving you or, I mean, it was
02:35:13.200
Well, I mean, I guess my angle here is, like, I, me personally, like, not to say that people
02:35:22.980
can't be redeemed and people, look, people make mistakes.
02:35:25.580
I've made mistakes when it comes to dating, but it does, like, kind of call into, what's
02:35:32.060
I don't think I need to redeem myself for being abused, essentially.
02:35:43.880
If I didn't do it, what would have happened to me?
02:35:47.900
Don't you have strong family, male family members?
02:36:02.760
Wait, when you say you were abused, um, wait, like, the cheating?
02:36:14.060
So they essentially isolate you slowly over time from your social, like...
02:36:25.080
They take you systematically through, like, a textbook, um, process of isolating you from
02:36:38.120
And essentially, that's why I'm weird the way I am, because I was raised like that, too.
02:36:42.960
Yeah, I'm not really sure that you have enough information here to make a diagnosis about
02:36:54.700
I mean, we're still kind of getting through the story, right?
02:37:01.000
With you, Desiree, does it always revolve around just narcissism?
02:37:03.840
Just any time a bad thing happened to a girl, it's because the guy's a narcissist every single
02:37:09.040
Or could it be that there are some women in this world who just fucking suck?
02:37:25.480
I guess going back to the original point is, like, this is a message that you put out
02:37:44.760
You have this expectation that men are princes.
02:37:54.000
Maybe you were, like, a princess before that happened or whatever.
02:38:00.760
But it's like, I meet a girl, and she's got a tattoo of another dude's name.
02:38:07.100
Like, what Disney story is, like, the princess?
02:38:16.220
No, I'm saying that I expected previous to him that that's what I expected.
02:38:22.980
That's how she got in the toxic relationship, because that's what she expected.
02:38:33.100
So, first of all, I think that you should expect it.
02:38:35.740
Like, you should expect to meet someone that treats you like a princess, whatever happened to you before.
02:38:44.180
Because if you are in a relationship, and you get tricked, like, they...
02:38:50.300
I don't know, fuck with your head or whatever, and you don't even, like, see what you're doing.
02:38:54.940
And you feel ashamed of what you did, because maybe you now regret that one.
02:39:01.960
Like, it happened, and you move on, and then you find your person.
02:39:09.820
I don't think it's something that, like, she didn't behave like a princess.
02:39:27.940
No, I think that you have to find your person, and you have to find someone that treats you well, like you treat him.
02:39:39.920
I don't know what you mean about, like, princess.
02:39:42.100
Like, I don't know what you mean, like, what's that.
02:39:44.460
I didn't mean to say that I expected princess treatment at all.
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It was more so me saying, I grew up on Disney movies, and my dad, I can't believe this is how guys are.
02:40:02.040
Like, I've never been in a relationship like this.
02:40:06.580
Wait, how long into the relationship did you...
02:40:09.560
Like, how far into the relationship did you get the...
02:40:21.700
At that point, that's when it was, like, survival mode.
02:40:26.420
You said the abuse didn't start until later in the relationship.
02:40:45.820
So he grabbed your arm, walked you into the tattoo shop, and said, get the fucking tattoo.
02:40:54.720
It was after an argument, and he had been telling me to get it, and...
02:41:11.820
It was more so him yelling at me, and me just sitting there and taking it.
02:41:21.220
So he was threatening to harm you if you did not get the tattoo?
02:41:24.620
It was more so, like, it had gone to the point where anything that I didn't do, it had repercussions.
02:41:30.380
I mean, even if I was not bubbly, if I even showed a single hint of sadness, he would get aggressive.
02:41:38.040
So at that point, it was, like, anything he said, I will do.
02:41:45.560
Because you're constantly walking on eggshells, so you don't really know how they're going to react.
02:41:49.820
You just know they might throw something because I'm not wearing the right dress today or anything, and you can get seriously injured.
02:42:01.480
That's the best way I can describe it, is you're always in this hypervigilant state of, like, any wrong move.
02:42:20.880
You were probably trying to get back on his good graces.
02:42:32.920
You have to understand, they don't start out this way.
02:42:34.980
They start out, like, love bombing, doing all the right things, saying all the right things, giving attention.
02:42:41.360
And if she was lacking some of those red flag, you know, measures...
02:42:47.420
I will be charitable and say this was her first boyfriend.
02:43:05.960
When you say truck, like, his pickup truck, or he had a...
02:43:12.160
I mean, he made good money, but he didn't have anywhere to stay, so...
02:43:25.840
Would he disagree with everything, like, how you're characterizing all this?
02:43:34.380
No, he actually did come back and try to win me over, and...
02:43:39.280
We talked about everything that happened, and...
02:43:42.720
He did try to redeem himself, but the second that he got aggressive,
02:43:52.420
Wait, when he tried to come back into the picture?
02:44:34.540
I want the power of deciding when to have children.
02:44:38.960
I want the power of picking when to get married.
02:44:42.700
Forced to wait and hope and dream while men decide when to love.
02:44:46.660
They decide whether or not they want to be your boyfriend.
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While I sit there, shit out of luck, hoping to be noticed.
02:45:22.820
You hate your anatomy, entire anatomy being the receiver.
02:45:28.060
Wait, so do you have like sexual hangups on this front?
02:45:44.980
And actually that goes along with Carl Jung's theory of he theorized that every female body
02:46:03.360
The reason this whole idea of a gendered soul, I think that's what drew me to that.
02:46:13.900
Let me just read these line by line and we'll go through it.
02:46:17.380
You want the power of deciding when to have children.
02:46:22.280
But is it, I mean, so women hold all the power on that front.
02:46:30.680
Well, I mean, you need a man to have children, but like, you have, okay, as a woman, you
02:46:39.380
could go out with the intention of getting a sperm donor, like this lady over here, you
02:46:44.300
could go like on a tear, just to have a bunch of one night stands and get knocked up.
02:46:48.840
As a man, it's a little more difficult to like, I want to have, like you could tonight
02:46:57.260
It depends on your cycle, whatever the fuck you could get pregnant.
02:47:00.320
This month, if you wanted to, like, do you think as a guy, I could be like, yo, I'm
02:47:09.220
Oh, these narcissistic ones will, they'll get you pregnant.
02:47:17.640
Like women have all the power when it comes to this.
02:47:33.560
You know, when you go out on dates, it's them who decides, do I want her as my girlfriend?
02:47:47.440
Like I've been on plenty of first dates where I wanted to continue seeing the girl and she
02:47:56.220
So it's not like, it's not like this weird thing where like, as a guy, every single girl
02:48:01.600
you go on a first date with, you get to make the determining factor of she's going to be
02:48:12.220
If you just, you're, I mean, you're kind of just starting to get out there and date and
02:48:15.340
you had that one bad experience that took up a lot of time.
02:48:23.780
I want the power of picking one and get married.
02:48:25.780
Forced, forced to wait and hope and dream while men decide when to love.
02:48:30.360
So who's forcing you to not approach guys at the club?
02:48:38.440
I guess that goes back to me wanting the chase and being the more dominant one.
02:48:53.980
So she's just assuming that what she's doing isn't working.
02:48:59.500
Do you think if you go to a nightclub and you go up to a guy, if you think if you go
02:49:05.000
out to a nightclub and you go up to a guy who you think is attractive, which you admit
02:49:08.740
to have never done, and you just say, Hey, what's up?
02:49:15.780
You think that like the lights are going to turn on and the music's going to stop.
02:49:20.420
Everybody's going to do an about look and just be like, Whoa, I can't believe a woman
02:49:28.660
Like, do you think that's what's going to happen?
02:49:30.400
Or do you think nobody in the club is going to even notice or give a fuck?
02:49:38.220
So explain to me how it's not socially acceptable.
02:49:41.200
I guess that's just the impression that I've gotten from guys.
02:49:45.680
But you said you like to, you take on a more masculine role and you like to be the initiator.
02:49:52.660
Not the masculine thing is to say, fuck what society tells me.
02:50:08.240
In fact, I'd be prepared to say that it's way more, at least now, it's actually way more
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risky for men to approach women than the reverse.
02:50:18.100
If I approach some girl in Trader Joe's and I like creep her out or whatever, that's fucking
02:50:24.320
But if you're some chick and you go up to a dude in Trader Joe's, nobody gives a fuck.
02:50:37.780
I think when you're really beautiful too, you almost kind of got to downplay your looks
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because guys aren't used to being approached and then it's a pretty woman doing it.
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And then it's a little like, at least I am very forward with guys.
02:50:53.880
I'm just like, if I want you, I'm going to go tell you I want you.
02:50:56.160
Um, but they almost like have this freeze response, like deer in a headlight, like they
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And then a lot of them like miss, I'm still trying to give them an opportunity to like
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the number exchange or whatever, but I kind of am as forward as possible.
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So then I'm like, Oh, I don't know if they could handle me.
02:51:19.160
If they're fumbling, like I'm just trying to get your number or I'm trying to tell you,
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I like talking to you or whatever, you know, nothing applies to you though.
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You're that scale doesn't even exist in your paradigm.
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You're in like the Baba Booey mentally ill should be locked up in asylum style scale.
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So I don't have to be out there menacing society.
02:52:02.460
You're, you're living in a prison of your own invention.
02:52:10.340
Like if, and it sounds like you're desirous of taking on the more masculine role of being
02:52:17.780
But there's like a, there's a contradiction here.
02:52:20.020
On one hand, you say that, but you also said you're very, uh, you don't approach men.
02:52:33.080
Uh, no, I'm just going off of my experiences so far and the impressions that I've had received.
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Uh, they decide whether or not they want to be your boyfriend.
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While I sit there shit out of luck, hoping to be noticed.
02:52:57.540
Uh, no, I think God decides what relationship you have in the end, if you have one.
02:53:22.940
You just said that God decides if you have a relationship or not.
02:53:26.920
But in that same tweet, you, sorry, in that same tweet, you say that men decide?
02:53:33.820
Yeah, um, I think that's more so, like my own experiences, they have decided whether
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or not they wanted to be my boyfriend, whereas I had already liked them.
02:53:51.180
Well, it follows with a patriarchal society, because essentially in the hierarchy, God would
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have the closest connection and accountability.
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Like it would be God, man, woman, children, and then like earth and animals, right?
02:54:05.300
So it does follow that you trusting God is actually you trusting God through a man to approach you
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and be like a soulmate or the right match for you.
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And I would agree with that in this societal construct.
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That's why in a sense, I just kind of live a non-traditional life because this patriarchal society has kind of canceled me
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from being able to, you know, not that it would never be possible, but I have always thought of myself as damaged goods
02:54:41.420
So I felt like as soon as I went that path, even though it wasn't for me, I actually rebelled and took the whole religious traditional path.
02:54:55.760
Yeah, this is such, it's always such cope from you, man, when you say that.
02:55:01.580
Everyone else is always responsible for everything Desiree does except Desiree.
02:55:05.780
Like, everybody's always responsible for everything you do except you, right?
02:55:11.460
Nobody is forcing you to do sex work right now.
02:55:17.460
Well, I have this whole experience of all of my life and skeletons in my closet essentially being, like, national headlines.
02:55:37.200
So the thing is, is like, oh, I didn't want anybody to know my life story that I put in a book.
02:55:42.600
And then went on several podcasts to explain about incessantly.
02:55:45.740
It's like, come on, you orchestrated all of it, right?
02:55:49.340
You got to stop being such a victim all the time.
02:55:52.100
I was simply saying that the state is actually recognizing my case with family trafficking.
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And I'm actually able to now seek restitution for the damages that were done from my family.
02:56:08.100
I don't know what that has to do with what I'm saying to you.
02:56:10.060
Well, I'm just simply saying that I'm, in a sense, like, ending that chapter of my life where I don't need to keep talking about how it was victimized.
02:56:24.100
And then at that point, we'll see if I keep doing modeling or not.
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I don't think we're going to derail on that one.
02:56:36.040
But let's just try to get through all the tweets.
02:57:05.560
And I think that's why I was driven to the whole gendered soul thing is...
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You know, a lot of people up at the table right now.
02:57:28.840
Can you make it smaller so we can see this video playing while she...
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It's always the pretty ones because we become sick of the bullying from females and males
02:57:44.180
We decide to destroy our appearance as much as possible so that maybe someone will love
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That's one thing I grieve after reverting back.
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And this video, it's a video that you're reacting to.
02:57:56.680
You got a girl here and she absolutely destroys her appearance.
02:58:20.260
You for real cannot talk to a single woman or man these days without them having five
02:58:49.820
Yeah, she was doing some confidence stuff, though.
02:58:57.420
How many do you think it's going to be, like, do you have a guess?
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Like, if we're doing predictions, like, how many do you think by 19?
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I feel like I'm better off, like, doing, like, getting that from myself, you know?
02:59:17.820
Like, because I don't have to be rejected or, like, feel, like, anxious about, like,
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he's going to, like, text me back and, like, it's just easier.
02:59:26.660
So you're just going to be a celibate for the next forever or?
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I, that's not the plan, like, but I wouldn't, I'm, I've been dissuaded from hookups because
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The sex with the guys was not better than what you could do with yourself, like, pleasure-wise.
02:59:50.240
So it's not really worth the risk emotionally, health-wise, all that.
02:59:55.060
Yeah, I'm pretty sure women have sex for more than just pure physical reasons.
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I mean, for, for me, it was, like, it was, like, yeah, I could do that on my own, but
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I did want the, like, emotional, you know, connection.
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But I don't, like, connect with people that easily, I feel like.
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The original tweet is, I don't like telling guys I'm trans until after the first date,
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Someone told me that's wrong, and I said, IMO, men and women should be able to press charges
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Before the first date, I think you gotta, you know.
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I always tell guys that I do OnlyFans before I would ever.
03:01:08.940
We had a prostitute who came on the show who slept with thousands of men, and she would
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be on dating apps, and she would not disclose the fact to these men on dating apps that she
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Now look, nothing legally compelling her to do it, but I would say it's more, there's
03:01:30.760
Well, let's say, just for the sake of argument, she didn't have any diseases.
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I still think you should probably tell somebody before going on a date with them that you're
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And if anything, just because what if he finds out not from you before?
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If a man would slap you in any context, he's sick and dangerous.
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But I just think any man that would slap a woman in any context is abusive.
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If you felt safe with a man and he had a thing to slap you off or something.
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I mean, I guess if you're in a violent altercation, yeah.
03:02:57.060
No, what if it's your girlfriend and she starts smacking you around a bit first?
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Yeah, I mean, if I had a son and I knew that he was being abused.
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So, like, let's say that there was a really weak guy who punched you in the face.
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Why couldn't you punch them back in the face because you were a really strong guy?
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So, so to you, if a really weak guy punched you in the face, if you were a man, what would be the problem with punching him back?
03:03:49.300
I think if you know you're bigger as a man, then you can just handle her, like, set her aside or walk away.
03:04:08.760
And the weak guy punches the strong guy in the face.
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What is the problem with the strong guy punching him back in the face?
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Okay, well, then you would apply that same logic to women, right?
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Just because you're weak doesn't mean that if you punch a guy in the face, you don't get what's coming to you back, right?
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I guess I'm viewing it as a, in the perspective of a mother, because I want to be a mother.
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You know, when I go out on dates, I think about the mom.
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I would not like to hear that my son was being abused, but maybe I should look at it as, you know, that's a woman.
03:04:54.160
In a situation where a woman was abusing a man, yes.
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Yeah, if a woman strikes a man, why does she get, like, a get out of getting decked in the face card?
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I've never really actually heard a good objection to this.
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I've heard, well, because they're not as strong as men, but it's like, okay, but that objection never comes up when weak men get beat up by strong men because they hit strong men.
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They should know better and keep their hands to themselves.
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I will say, though, our bones and our skeletal structures are physically weaker.
03:05:32.200
So even then, a smaller, weaker man would still have a stronger skeletal structure than a female.
03:05:38.220
Yeah, but nobody's going to cry over a weaker man getting smacked, right?
03:05:43.480
Because if a weaker woman punches a man, like, well, she gets what's coming back to her, right?
03:05:48.460
Well, what I'm saying is it poses the weaker, the woman a greater danger by being hit by the man than a man hitting another man.
03:05:57.740
Well, yeah, I mean, in a perfect world, but we had to pick a...
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I'm just saying, if a woman stands up and punches a man and then gets knocked unconscious by the man, not only do I not see a problem with that, but I actually think it should happen.
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I think his priority should be to put her on her ass, and I don't think she'll ever do it again, right?
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And the men can get restraining orders against women.
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I have a restraining order against me from a guy who has a battery, assault and battery charge against me, and they let him get a restraining order against me.
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The thing is, it's like, look, I get that, but I don't know how that's really an objection to me saying, if a woman.
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Now, I think that you should just not attack people, right?
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But if you are a person who just can't help yourself but attacks somebody and that person defends themselves, I just can't think of a good objection other than, well, they were defending themselves.
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I don't know why the fact that they have a vagina gives them some special pass on this.
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Well, because our whole skeletal structure is weaker than a male skeletal structure.
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I'm simply explaining that why people would have a problem with this.
03:07:34.540
Desiree, if a man went over and punched a gorilla in the face, what do you think would happen to him?
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Yeah, the gorilla would rip him limb from limb, right?
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Would you, if you read in the newspaper, stupid man punches gorilla in the face and gorilla then beats man to death, would you be like, what a dumb fuck?
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Or would you go and be like, my God, how could this gorilla have done such a horrific thing to this poor man?
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His bone structure, it's just, it's not even the same as that of a gorilla.
03:08:17.320
I was simply saying that is why society has kind of this double standard.
03:08:23.480
I'm not saying that the woman should go assault the man.
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But I'm not interested in kind of these greater caveats of, well, this is why society thinks X, because that's not the argument that I was making.
03:08:36.200
I wasn't making the argument about what society thinks.
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I was making the argument for what Andrew Wilson thinks.
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What Andrew Wilson thinks is that if dumb, weak person punches really strong person and gets knocked the fuck out, that's what you get.
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Just like if you attack a guy weaker than you, he pulls out a gun and ends your life, that you get what you get, right?
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You attack people and then you don't have to worry about it, right?
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I've never actually heard a good objection to this.
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It's just like women go, but I should be privileged enough to just punch men in the face and have them do nothing.
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Women need to understand that between men to men, talk shit, get hit.
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Like, guys deal with each other differently than women deal with each other.
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And I'm not saying that to a woman, you talk shit to a man, get hit.
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But men socially have different ways of dealing with each other.
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And most of that revolves around the physical in some cases or in most cases.
03:09:44.680
But women have another way of dealing with each other than in a nonviolent form.
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The fact of the matter is, if you pick a fight that you know you can't back it up physically, maybe don't pick that fight.
03:10:00.260
And honestly, I will say this, that I have had two long-term relationships.
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One was a traditional, like me as the submissive, him as the dominant.
03:10:10.140
That relationship never got physical, no matter how toxic it was, never got physical.
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I jumped to trying, like, a non-traditional relationship, like an open relationship with a more feminine guy who let me, like, run the show.
03:10:27.860
Do you want me to finish the one story and then jump to that?
03:10:30.140
Okay, so that was just a friend, a consensual BDSM dynamic where I was going deeper into handling more and more intense sexual experiences.
03:10:48.340
Because I had had those same traumas on my mom's side.
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Yeah, you had a bunch of people to heal your trauma.
03:11:01.460
So his biggest fantasy was that he would hold my head in the toilet while he was fucking me in the ass.
03:11:09.920
We did this whole reenactment of the thing consensually.
03:11:13.640
And we had the safe words and the gestures and the whole situation.
03:11:30.100
I had never done that intense of an experience.
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And many, many men actually do have these more violent fantasies.
03:11:37.280
My theory being because our creator gave us this kind of conduit to transmute all of these kind of violent tendencies of men.
03:11:51.900
Anyway, so the man felt very blessed that I allowed him that experience.
03:11:55.800
He could never find any other woman who was willing to do it.
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And just because we have free will doesn't mean we shouldn't use it.
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I'm like, I have a whole cult following of ass fetish guys.
03:12:23.500
I've seen all of your fucking butt that I ever want to see, Desiree.
03:12:27.100
Whether I want to see it or not, you want to make sure that I see it.
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Poor Andrew had to see my white cellulite almost 40 ass.
03:12:45.960
Discord.gg slash whatever if you want to see it.
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And you have to see what it's like when this geriatric woman tries to sexually assault a happily married man.
03:13:19.100
I shouldered him to the side in order to get away from the devastation of hell itself opening up.
03:13:30.260
And they have like a support group of men online.
03:13:36.420
So Brian had this conversation afterwards, and Brian was like, Andrew, why did you do that?
03:13:43.360
I told him my zombie apocalypse theory, which is I don't have to run fast.
03:13:49.480
So the thing is is that I will totally maim Brian on my way out so that the bear gets him.
03:13:58.900
I shouldered him to the side, and I rushed away to try to get away.
03:14:10.560
How are you going to help him with his trauma of his close friend, Andrew Wilson, leaving him high and dry, like shouldering to the side?
03:14:18.700
I'm like, just in case I ruined your life, I'm here.
03:14:30.020
Hey, Desiree, can I ask you a question about how you wrote Brian a bunch of DMs about how you're his soulmate and how great he is?
03:14:39.800
And how you literally threw yourself at him in a desperate bid to get in his pants.
03:14:49.020
You threw yourself at him in a desperate bid to get in Brian Atlas' pants.
03:14:55.620
Honestly, I really have like a respect crush on the guy.
03:15:11.300
But Desiree, you have no fucking chance with a guy like Atlas.
03:15:16.220
Well, that's why I'm just kind of like this groupie.
03:15:18.740
I'm kind of like, can I be like your free personal assistant?
03:15:26.080
I'm a Brian Atlas cock worshiper, I guess you would say.
03:15:34.560
I feel like we can relate to each other because not every white person has an ass.
03:15:44.380
Brian, God gave us an extra measure of soul and the black community will agree.
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It's a drooping pile of garbage that you tried to chase me out of the room with.
03:15:59.280
Most of the things that you listed and the attributes that you look up to in Brian or look towards
03:16:10.400
I do have pretty severe intimacy issues relating to men taking advantage of me.
03:16:15.580
And so I think at this point in my life with children and everything, I'm more looking
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for an equal partner to collaborate in life with more than like a traditional relationship
03:16:25.160
So if you want to put it in that category, sure.
03:16:32.700
Brian, I think that the whatever podcast deserves, your chat deserves and my chat deserves to hear
03:16:39.960
Now, directly from your mouth, I will not tolerate this slander against my pal, Brian Atlas, any
03:16:47.860
Brian, can you unequivocally say to Desiree's face, there's no fucking chance in hell ever?
03:17:18.500
You know those, I like was so lonely when I met.
03:17:29.280
And then all of a sudden a friend said, come to this show.
03:17:37.820
I was trying to be like women's empowerment niche of the internet.
03:17:56.520
Listen, the chat deserves, the chat deserves to see this.
03:18:05.920
Maybe towards the end of the show, you can reveal the sketch of doom.
03:18:20.020
I thought that this whole mate was Eminem, truth be told.
03:18:23.100
And then, because it kind of could look like Eminem within like.
03:18:26.260
I think she wants to meet Desiree in person, honestly.
03:18:31.820
Well, okay, just send it to whatever Instagram, then I'll have Austin pull it up.
03:18:44.140
I feel like I could make Brian a shitload of money.
03:18:52.320
I feel like I could bring you just as much money as you could help me make.
03:18:59.860
That's it feels like we could have a mutually beneficial relationship.
03:19:04.420
But you see, you have to understand that good Brian over here, he's moving towards the pathway
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of God and not towards the pathway of the pimp.
03:19:14.140
I mean, I'm not really looking for him to be like my husband or something.
03:19:24.280
I'm just saying like a business collaboration type thing.
03:19:29.540
Actually, we have to have Anissa read this one.
03:19:33.940
You have to do an Australian accent because he's in the Australian.
03:19:47.820
Look at this freaking sketch and tell me this about Brian Atlas.
03:19:52.640
Grid One Motorsports donated $200 and one cent.
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Dissery, you will have better luck corp chasing this kuma named Destiny.
03:20:01.440
He has had a rough time lately and I know he will just love to break you a piece off and
03:20:07.980
I can't fucking believe that I have to sit here and defend the kuma gremlin Destiny.
03:20:23.380
I'm telling you guys, even Destiny wouldn't do it.
03:20:29.220
Desiree, he'll have a one night stand, ghost you, never talk to you again just to add to
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your skeletons in the closet you keep mentioning.
03:20:41.480
Desiree, here's how much I would not have sex with you.
03:20:44.720
So you could have a tubal ligation, like the fear of me ever getting you pregnant.
03:20:50.440
If I ever got you pregnant, the misery that would...
03:20:57.860
I'm even scared of just being within 10 feet of you.
03:21:06.680
If I had a vasectomy and you had a tubal ligation, even the odds of potentially getting you pregnant
03:21:25.020
You wouldn't have to be the dad if you didn't want to.
03:21:31.400
...written originally by Stephen King called Misery?
03:21:38.240
And Brian is the author strapped in the bed with his legs cut off, right?
03:21:43.720
Just desperately pleading to God himself for the great checkout time.
03:21:57.460
Brian, I think you're a little bit of a masochist.
03:22:19.420
Most men I come upon have never had a sex slave before, so it's very inviting.
03:22:24.460
I guess you've had so many because you're such a cool guy, so I'm not used to it.
03:22:29.820
The thing is, the older I get, the less I'm willing to put up with...
03:22:38.800
And then it's like I've got to deal with you for the other...
03:22:41.060
Okay, well then I would never be with you that way anyway.
03:22:49.240
No, we could still potentially do business together.
03:22:51.020
This chick wants to do a fucking marathon sex thing.
03:23:09.660
Well, Andrew wouldn't want me to blame that on anything.
03:23:17.540
I guess in this day and age where the libido of the average American woman is so low, I
03:23:23.520
guess I would seem pretty psycho because I have this insatiable sex track.
03:23:27.940
It doesn't have anything to do with your libido.
03:23:31.120
There's women on here who are prostitutes and just tell me all about how they just love
03:23:39.300
I can even rationalize and understand that mentality better than I can.
03:23:44.180
You're fucking like new age mixture of Christianity and crazy-ass dogma that you then kind of create
03:23:50.860
the psychological pinnacle of fucking nonsense in order to justify every horrific thing that
03:24:02.660
I'll get these chats read, then we'll get into some more topics.
03:24:10.540
Just found your show, mate, and have consumed it flat out the last few days.
03:24:19.700
I'm sorry for the two dimwit Oscals you had to endure.
03:24:28.380
That wasn't the problem, but I'll just leave it there.
03:24:31.580
Also, Australia doesn't exist, according to Andrew, so...
03:24:36.660
Aussie Driller Jim, he's a driller, and he's in Australia.
03:24:42.240
Where would you say he's from, Andrew, if it's not Australia?
03:24:50.820
Yo, Brian, have Mr. Producer Glenn Lawrence and Josie Lissard come on whatever right now?
03:25:06.180
I mean, of course, of course, but you would have to set that stuff up beforehand to go
03:25:13.140
on the show, though I do vouch for both those people.
03:25:15.900
I do think that you should probably set it up beforehand.
03:25:57.100
I mean, you could literally open a dating app and bone him the same night if you wanted
03:26:24.960
But now, I think I would wait until I'm officially a girlfriend.
03:26:32.460
You said you recently, like a week ago, you went on the first date?
03:26:38.700
And then, what about your first, like, two-year boyfriend?
03:27:03.280
You don't remember the time you lost your virginity?
03:27:21.460
So, the reason that I met up with my ex was because I had been assaulted.
03:27:37.460
Is because I wanted my first time to actually be my first time and not, like, a guy forcing himself.
03:27:48.720
But your ex is the guy who you lost your virginity to.
03:28:08.900
So, after that, I sought him out because that was my first time.
03:28:40.640
I'm not sure how we got there, but I was asking, you don't remember your first real time?
03:28:55.060
I thought you were saying, like, how quickly it happened.
03:29:00.120
Well, you said it was the same day, so, like...
03:29:02.460
I'm not asking for, like, the down to the second.
03:30:44.880
You met him on Grindr, and then did you hang out like that day that you matched?
03:31:09.940
How soon after matching on Grindr, like, do you match in the afternoon?
03:31:13.580
Um, it was, like, 8 p.m., and then we met up at, like, 3 a.m.
03:31:21.880
And so you guys were messaging for seven hours.
03:31:31.100
And then within an hour of meeting at 3 a.m., you have sex.
03:32:06.700
I hear a girl say, oh, if a guy has LED lights in his room, red flag.
03:32:21.000
You should have told me that this is actually interesting.
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A homeless man on a gay dating app who's a truck driver.
03:32:51.120
And then you lose your virginity to him in the truck an hour after meeting him.
03:33:02.720
He has the riz, homeless, truck driver, on a gay dating app.
03:33:09.380
I couldn't talk my way into, I don't think I could talk my way into some pussy at 3 a.m.
03:33:19.740
On a straight dating app, you can't talk your way into pussy like the same day.
03:33:28.320
Bro, this guy is, I don't even know what to say.
03:33:30.840
He would even seduce girls within, like, minutes, like, customers from where he would work.
03:33:43.380
And he admitted to seducing girls within minutes.
03:33:47.320
Someone in my chat said, I need to get a truck.
03:33:55.000
If you want a virgin, you gotta be homeless and have a fucking truck.
03:34:07.320
What if you get, like, one of those nice, like, self-driving...
03:34:10.000
Honestly, it sounds like, like, total serial killer vibes.
03:34:15.800
Like, you dodged a frickin' bullet is what I'm saying, girl.
03:34:19.000
Do you realize the fucking RNG as a dude, like, RNG, to be on a fucking gay dating app
03:34:26.600
and roll the fucking dice and get a virgin to fuck you the same day you meet her?
03:34:32.640
He probably thought it was a gift from the frickin' cycle gods.
03:34:38.780
This guy's homeless and has a truck, and he meets her on a gay dating app.
03:34:54.540
He had probably tried this same game, like, 80 times.
03:34:58.080
Probably another gay guy told him to do it, and it wasn't working.
03:35:01.060
The biggest W a guy has ever taken, and simultaneously, the biggest L a girl has ever taken.
03:35:09.420
I mean, it is kind of, if you look at it that way, it's kind of like.
03:35:23.560
You could get on one of those episodes, The Worst Ex Ever.
03:35:37.700
It was all tied together, and he just ruined everything.
03:35:40.340
Imagine telling our kids we met on a gay dating site.
03:36:00.680
I'm going to hook up with a publisher and an editor.
03:36:39.920
Dude, what kind of truck are you going to get, bro?
03:37:09.100
Kendrick Lamar, apparently, is going to be the halftime show at the Super Bowl.
03:37:13.800
Oh, this guy's going to call Drake a P-word six times at the Super Bowl.
03:37:21.660
We need accountability in this country, for God's sakes.
03:37:30.280
So, I used to play this game called Hearthstone.
03:37:36.400
So, RNG, this is like a one-in-one-trillion, one-in-one-trillion RNG, the dude's homeless trucker who's on a gay dating app on Grindr.
03:37:55.360
There's a lid for every pot, is the point, I think.
03:38:07.940
This guy needed to go to fucking Vegas and put all his fucking money on black.
03:38:22.980
But it crashed and burned because she was smart and she left.
03:38:30.960
Like, anything that went wrong for him just worked out.
03:38:36.240
Oh, that's the delusional that Andrew was talking about.
03:38:40.960
He convinced God or Satan to give him what he wanted.
03:38:46.860
This is the craziest thing I've ever heard on this show.
03:38:51.100
Unless he was the year of the dragon or something.
03:39:14.380
He's probably trying to do some gay for pay stuff on there.
03:39:28.400
The man you lost your virginity to, while he was texting you, he was also like, I'll suck your dick for $50.
03:39:40.080
But, bitch, how lucky are you going to get something from him?
03:39:59.020
Did you not get your period when you're on the gear?
03:40:18.320
Wait, what is that coming out your nose, Desiree?
03:40:31.560
I've only had people, like, do lines off of me.
03:40:43.320
So, you couldn't have got pregnant because of the testosterone?
03:41:12.000
No, I found out he was cheating while I was hospitalized, getting surgery.
03:41:20.180
Testosterone destroyed my gallbladder, so he had to take it out.
03:41:31.700
I know I don't get him to flush out without the surgery.
03:41:39.020
Once you get so many, it's hard for your body to flush it out.
03:41:41.720
But there is a protocol that you can get rid of him naturally.
03:42:30.580
You also close up inside and it stays that way.
03:43:06.020
It's like the guys who lose their dick from steroids, basically.
03:43:10.540
Wait, so is it like it gets higher because you develop pussy muscle?
03:43:23.300
Maybe we could have her answer for once, Desiree.
03:43:31.760
I don't know the exact scientific reason, but it happens all the time.
03:43:49.200
Should we be attracted to slutty Halloween costumes, or are they just bait from the devil
03:43:57.600
Having asked that, what are y'all going to be this year?
03:44:03.840
Should we be attracted to slutty Halloween costumes, or are they just bait from the devil?
03:44:14.520
We should be attracted to them, but also rebuke.
03:44:20.700
What are you going to be for Halloween this year, going around the table super quick?
03:45:01.480
Well, if the current guy doesn't work out, I'll gladly take you on a date from Seth.
03:45:12.740
Normally, we don't read these, but it says, how much to put your head in the toilet?
03:45:19.500
How much to put your head in the toilet, Desiree?
03:45:28.360
You'll go into whatever podcast toilet right now.
03:45:30.800
Will you guys film it and show it on wherever you can?
03:45:34.940
You're really underselling yourself here, a little Desiree.
03:45:46.140
It has to be crypto because somebody could try to scam.
03:45:59.360
Barter some fucking homemade butter and a loaf of bread and some chickens, for God's sakes.
03:46:22.760
She deserves it more than any other broad who's ever been...
03:46:28.140
Like, are you going to do it by my thong or something?
03:46:31.320
Or is it, like, head pushed down in the toilet, fucking me in the ass type sexual vibe?
03:46:36.720
I don't think anybody brought that ladder part in there, Desiree.
03:47:08.120
I was going to say Mussolini, but that would not be...
03:47:10.600
Nah, that's just a stereotype American that speaks about Italian.
03:47:15.720
It's kind of a stereotype of an American that speaks about Italy and Italian.
03:47:28.340
You know what you could do is a bunch of sticks tied together and then with an axe sticking out
03:48:07.920
And I just have to say, why the fuck do you rate yourself so low?
03:48:15.720
The fact that you guys even have fucking jobs right now?
03:48:20.760
Well, you have to understand, in our defense, the reason you think that it's a low rating,
03:48:27.460
see, I distinctly think that you just give yourself a really high rating.
03:48:36.380
I am the number one only fan, no fog in the world.
03:48:40.540
I just think that you rate yourself way higher than what your beauty is.
03:48:52.820
Andrew, I now feel safe in your presence because there's some sort of redeeming quality that
03:49:02.960
Perhaps it's just a $5 gas station pin-up poster to put in your fucking garage, but I'll take
03:49:16.160
I have a classic car photo shoot coming up, so that'll be some good content.
03:49:19.600
Can you even repeat back to me what I said to you?
03:49:23.300
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
03:49:29.280
You don't even fucking know what I just said to you.
03:49:30.940
But, Andrew, I just grabbed at the one thing you've ever said to me.
03:49:35.380
Yeah, you're always going to grab at anything you can grab at.
03:50:00.060
So I always look for a guy that I feel is above me because then it draws, it naturally drops
03:50:09.600
And I just feel like that's a more sexy dynamic, personally.
03:50:46.940
I don't know if this is like spoiler alert, but yeah.
03:51:01.720
Are you waiting until he decides what he wants to do?
03:51:04.680
I don't like planning, so it's just like a thought.
03:51:22.300
You are not appreciated enough, and I'm here to show it.
03:51:25.160
Ladies, go back in time and murder baby Hitler or ban abortion.
03:51:42.720
So I have found that I am from Hitler's family line.
03:51:59.320
Wait, there's plenty of German women who have nice asses.
03:52:09.340
You realize that when it comes to, like, the parentage and genetics.
03:52:20.860
So you realize that when it comes to, like, finding out family, like,
03:52:25.900
Hitler's children, it's, like, the most investigated, like, thing that they've ever done on this topic.
03:52:45.760
The sex workers who migrated from Germany during World War II would say otherwise.
03:53:01.520
So Hitler does have, like, some living relatives.
03:53:06.320
Actually, I think they even live in the United States.
03:53:08.420
There's legitimate heirs, and there's bastards.
03:53:12.900
Right, but you would have a genetic relationship.
03:53:17.560
How did you come to the determination that you're related to Hitler, you insane lady?
03:53:28.800
Well, on one of the episodes I did, you guys opened it up to the fans to do DNA testing,
03:53:36.880
and we had one who was very interested in my exact, exact ancestry line.
03:53:45.860
So they actually paid who knows how much fucking money to have all this tested.
03:53:55.440
It might have been a troll, and they said that they were going to be a troll.
03:54:08.740
Show me a single piece of evidence that this actually happened.
03:54:15.920
No, I want you to send me the evidence that's happened.
03:54:21.440
Show me that this actually happened, that a fan of yours linked you to Adolf Hitler.
03:54:32.060
You didn't bring any document because it doesn't exist.
03:54:35.280
They mail you your document of your ancestry line.
03:54:45.680
Not when they find out you're of the Hitler line.
03:54:51.360
Did they put a little post stamp on it for you, Desiree?
03:55:02.300
And you didn't take a single picture of it with your phone, nothing like that.
03:55:06.560
You take pictures of men jizzing on your face, but you don't take pictures of this pertinent
03:55:10.640
document that relates you to one of the, you know.
03:55:16.120
Have you heard of a little thing called cyber security?
03:55:22.700
I guess I have a little programming from my friends in cyber security who tell me not
03:55:28.620
to take photos of important documents, so I don't.
03:55:31.940
Why don't you just be honest and say that you just made all of this bullshit up?
03:56:01.260
Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
03:56:17.800
Plus, I'm a negative a thousand billion infinity.
03:57:09.520
I'm, like, a four point five right now, to be honest.
03:57:17.140
Well, I am more handsome than Desiree is beautiful, so I give myself a two.
03:58:05.040
I was going to say 9.5, but I dropped it to a nine.
03:58:22.480
I have gone through it, because my daughter, my ex-husband had afro hair, even though he
03:58:32.940
I'm just saying, if you go natural hair, and you have very curly hair, you have my total
03:58:39.900
respect, because I've seen people struggle with it, is all I'm saying.
03:58:47.480
Maybe I'm a little jealous of the fro hair, because it's cool.
03:58:52.440
My 70s vibe is, I'm jealous of the hair, I guess.
03:59:11.800
I would say, like, a seven, because I'm a seven or eight, because I'm a real big beard
03:59:15.500
Can you tilt the mic down a little bit, and just speak into the mic?
03:59:20.760
Like, 7.5 or 8, but that's because I like beards, so.
03:59:34.800
But so, like, you would be, even with the beard, you would be settling for me.
03:59:47.140
So, just like curious, like, do you think you'd be, like, settling for me or whatever?
03:59:52.060
But, I mean, you're a 9.5, and I'm, like, a seven.
03:59:54.520
Why does, like, if I think a 9.5, I'd be settling for a seven, why would you think that
04:00:05.180
Well, let's say you don't care about looks at all, but would you agree that on the looks
04:00:09.440
front, from an outside perspective, you would be settling?
04:00:14.680
Since you're a 9.5, and I'm just, like, a seven or whatever, like, an ugly seven.
04:00:31.060
Like, you say you're a 9.5, I'm a seven over here.
04:00:46.440
Actually, speaking of, Austin, can you pull up old Brian?
04:01:01.060
Just scroll to the bottom of my Instagram, my personal IG, window tab.
04:01:38.140
You have, obviously, biological attractiveness.
04:02:10.900
I have to say, on behalf of Noah R., he is a legend in every conceivable way.
04:02:19.900
Noah has some of the funniest super chats I've ever heard.
04:02:29.820
Can we just get this chick to shut the fuck up so we can get to the rest of the panel?
04:02:39.960
And she's done nothing but obfuscate and make everything about her.
04:02:54.280
By the way, Crucible crew, get over to the whatever.
04:03:27.840
He's like, Brian, my penis is so big, a woman had to go to the hospital because of how big
04:03:47.000
I need to wait until the gals are back at the table.
04:03:52.520
And that's a 10-minute mute if you can just keep track of the time.
04:04:27.240
Because you've been kind of mellow this entire show.
04:04:43.500
Well, Brian, is there anything else we can do for them, really?
04:04:52.780
Anything else we can do for any of the women on the panel to accommodate their needs, Brian?
04:05:06.960
Let's get back into the reactions, too, for Jade.
04:05:35.320
Why do non-white girls who date white men make everything?
04:05:41.320
Oh, zoom it out a bit so we can see what she's reacting to.
04:05:51.660
When you bring your white boyfriend to his birthday or first Indian party, this is a canon.
04:06:10.220
I thought a canon event is like a major event in your life.
04:06:17.600
Like a thing that has to happen in order for the next thing to happen.
04:06:42.260
They always got to like bring up the fact, like they got to point out.
04:06:52.420
I prefer white men, but I just, why is that always a topic?
04:07:03.800
Wouldn't pointing out that he's white initially be racist anyway?
04:07:07.540
Would he, would, an example, if I had a boyfriend, it'd be kind of weird if he constantly pointed
04:07:30.060
I was, my, my dad was born in Africa and my mom was born in America.
04:07:49.940
Were your grandparents from, were your grandparents from Africa?
04:08:00.440
Weren't there, like, French people there in Africa, right?
04:08:08.100
Les Français, they called them, whatever, I'm not going to get into the whole.
04:08:44.880
I'm appearing on the whatever podcast, scroll down.
04:09:01.720
So, so what happens is, oftentimes, women, for instance, like Desiree over here, they
04:09:08.580
get made a fool of on whatever because, you know, they're fucking stupid.
04:09:12.700
But occasionally, we get a base chick who comes through who has great things to say, and
04:09:28.260
Laura, possibly, this chick may have even been a guest here and just been salty that you
04:09:35.200
were coming on because you might get some attention that she would never get.
04:10:05.140
Well, I mean, I was like, you know, I was asking a couple of questions.
04:10:18.380
But hang on, you are raising funds for BLM, which is Big Labia Matters, which I am told
04:10:27.540
And if that is the case, then why shouldn't you ask that question?
04:10:36.780
Your mic is muted and you're still interrupting.
04:10:41.280
Desiree, Desiree, this is what I need you to do.
04:10:47.180
You need to wear the hat and you need to go stand in the corner and face the corner
04:11:06.060
Okay, just go face the corner and think about what you've done.
04:11:17.420
No, you got to face the corner and think about what you've done.
04:11:26.340
Now sit there quietly and think about what you've done.
04:11:29.320
While we get to the people who have interesting stories, like this gal we've been speaking
04:11:49.520
I don't mean to cut in, but it seems like your guest, Desiree, is not standing with her
04:11:56.620
back arched straight so that we know she's in the corner.
04:12:08.880
No, she's like, she's straddling Kiki right now.
04:12:20.000
I like boys too much from Back to Black was real AF, LMAO.
04:12:58.580
If you're into fitness, you're not woke, you're family oriented.
04:13:03.280
You should add owns a truck and homeless onto that list.
04:13:12.200
Oh, travel more, get married and have children.
04:13:16.340
Um, I've been past the age that I wanted to have kids, but.
04:14:16.540
Can we look at the picture and you can tell me again how this is not inappropriate.
04:14:33.940
I'm just saying, um, in general, I don't dress inappropriately.
04:14:40.740
I think I just, my opinion on it is you dress respectfully according to what you're doing,
04:15:15.360
Yeah, like a guy posting, like, gym pictures or, like.
04:15:21.720
Yeah, so I can, I can tell you what, what, what, what my dad told me when I was a very
04:15:27.540
young man, that men who walk around with their shirt off, it's generally considered to be
04:15:34.880
Disrespectful, regardless of how buff, tough, and savagely ripped they are, it is considered
04:15:50.860
Before we do, let's just look at the TikTok, too.
04:15:54.620
Actually, wait, we didn't get through all the, did we get through all the app photos?
04:16:18.320
Because you, you also said you're Asian, right?
04:16:20.940
Like on your dating, oh, F11, you gotta be F11.
04:16:41.660
It's like half of these pictures are the most provocative you can possibly make.
04:17:17.580
But like, you said you're a Christian conservative, right?
04:17:30.720
Are those for anything other than a listening, a reaction from the opposite sex?
04:17:56.180
I believe that you hid your body due to the fact that you had an eating disorder.
04:18:05.440
If those pictures there are not for the opposite sex, if they're not revealing for the purpose
04:18:11.800
of enticing the opposite sex or getting attention from them, then what are they for?
04:18:20.000
Honestly, I thought I would be mutilated and have my breasts cut off.
04:18:24.460
Like, I am actually shocked at how well I look like that.
04:18:28.920
But I would like to ask, aren't those pictures there designed specifically to get male reactions
04:18:44.700
Honestly, I just think I am happy with, I don't know.
04:18:53.720
So, you usually strut around in front of like, let's say you had four movies.
04:18:59.040
Let's say you had four roommates who were females.
04:19:02.060
Would you dress provocatively and walk around them in order to get some affirmation from
04:19:12.300
Well, I'm just wondering who are the photos for?
04:19:17.640
Like, they were for Halloween or I was in Ibiza.
04:19:38.880
So, just to get this right, we're on a deserted desert island, right?
04:19:47.320
Nobody could ever see any of the pictures that you would ever post to anywhere.
04:19:55.140
You would take pictures of yourself in your bra and panties in provocative poses for yourself.
04:20:08.000
Well, I'm going to walk this way now because that's the biggest amount of bullshit I've
04:20:16.880
You would, if you were on a desert island with a Polaroid, dress up in your bra and panties
04:20:21.560
and take pictures of yourself, but just for yourself.
04:20:24.860
I would usually agree with you, but I didn't imagine I'd look like this.
04:20:35.960
Like, I'm actually genuinely really happy with my body.
04:20:44.060
I'm happy for you that you lost all that weight and this and that.
04:20:47.660
But why can't you just admit that the photos of you wearing almost nothing are not so that
04:20:54.300
you can look at you wearing almost nothing, but so that you can get commenters who look
04:21:00.920
at you wearing almost nothing, who give you affirmations that you're wearing almost nothing.
04:21:05.860
Or you can bullshit me and say, no, Andrew, the truth is, if I had a Polaroid camera on
04:21:13.420
Because I just like how I look in my bra and panties.
04:21:24.900
And I think it's for, you know, whatever guy I have a crush on at the moment.
04:21:31.020
When you're posting images of yourself online, internet, wherever you're posting them and
04:21:36.280
not keeping them to yourself or for the person they're intended for, as you just mentioned,
04:21:40.380
it is for seeking validation from the general public.
04:21:43.780
And instead, instead of keeping that to yourself for yourself, or like I said, for your partner,
04:21:49.560
it is literally for the intention of seeking validation, which is unfortunately part of
04:21:58.060
I grew up in an atmosphere that that did not exist.
04:22:01.240
And yeah, I'm not saying that it's actually not true.
04:22:04.660
There's a whole group of women who put our pictures out there for us.
04:22:09.020
Because we felt so invisible and like we tried to be somebody we weren't.
04:22:13.240
And when we're our real self, we want to put it out there.
04:22:16.660
I mean, obviously, I think every female likes the attention of males and males like the attention
04:22:22.860
of females, just like guys like to show off their muscles.
04:22:27.620
I'm saying that it's also for me because of what I've been through.
04:22:33.100
Like, yes, of course, I would like attention from a cute guy or my crush.
04:22:39.040
And if I were in a relationship and he wasn't cool with that clothing or Halloween costume,
04:22:46.100
I would not disrespect him and make him uncomfortable.
04:22:57.340
I'm just saying that a huge part of that is because of, like, it's either, I don't know.
04:23:06.120
I could have been infertile, mutilated, no breast, overweight.
04:23:16.480
Wait, so really quick, can you pull up the dating profile again where it says, like, the Christian conservative?
04:23:31.100
Because I think perhaps, I don't know if Andrew's back yet, but it says you're Christian conservative.
04:23:36.660
Like, if you wrote that you're liberal on there, I don't think Andrew would really push back as much with those photos.
04:23:47.360
But I think his qualm is, you're calling yourself Christian, calling yourself conservative.
04:23:52.080
And I think part of being, like, Christian or conservative is there's a component of dressing modestly.
04:23:59.960
Well, I think modest is how you carry yourself.
04:24:11.460
I'm not here in a little shirt, and I dress according to...
04:24:20.840
Yeah, I mean, but the top half of it is showing as much possible skin without showing the nudity portions of the skin.
04:24:29.960
And, in fact, I could not envision in my head that you could wear a more revealing outfit than the one that you have on right now.
04:24:49.180
But I'm not doing anything that my sister wouldn't do, or my mom, or...
04:25:05.380
I really don't understand who the photos are for.
04:25:08.920
You say that they're for you, but you could easily not ever make those public.
04:25:18.560
Yeah, I know, but the ones that you did make public, why are they public?
04:25:23.000
I don't know, because I think I look good, and I...
04:25:28.440
Do you like it when people put the little like there and say, damn, girl, you look good?
04:25:43.040
Yeah, I do like compliments, and like I said, if I'm into a guy, I would like him to like it, and yeah.
04:25:52.820
Wait, Andrew, your primary gripe here is like who's she posting it for as opposed to like she's categorizing herself as Christian, as conservative.
04:26:08.760
Like, if she was liberal, like you wouldn't care about the photos.
04:26:12.060
Well, maybe you would, but not to the same degree.
04:26:15.180
So I'm going to start with the kind of grounding here of the first lie.
04:26:20.820
So I believe almost everything that you've told me, except this.
04:26:26.920
So in this, you say, I posted these photos for me.
04:26:31.800
No, you fucking didn't post those photos for you.
04:26:34.280
You may like the attention you get from the photos, but I don't believe in a million years you posted them so that you could view them later,
04:26:42.620
because you could obviously just take the photos and view them later.
04:27:00.800
Do you feel like it was kind of an outreach for you to connect with other people who are having similar experiences as you,
04:27:09.880
and then in that way you could kind of build community if somebody resonated with your content type of thing?
04:27:16.520
No, I just think that a lot of detransitioners, they kind of don't revert back to being really feminine and...
04:27:29.120
All I'm asking for is like, look, I'm not asking for perfection.
04:27:32.400
I am not a perfect man by any metric, by any metric.
04:27:40.620
If you really think about it, when you post those photos publicly, which reveal as much as you possibly could, basically,
04:27:48.360
without getting kicked off the app, what's the real reason for it?
04:27:59.820
Like I said, I finally like how I look despite what I've been through and the dysmorphia.
04:28:10.200
And whenever I like a guy, like I said, I'd like him to see it.
04:28:24.640
You post it publicly to Instagram, but you don't care what they think?
04:28:39.540
So, so I just want, I want you to put yourself in my shoes and you're asking me these questions.
04:28:45.220
You say, Andrew, why do you post the pictures of you flexing, of you flexing all over the
04:29:03.240
When I said, sure, it's because I like how I look.
04:29:06.220
But if you were to then ask, is it also because you like the attention you get from that?
04:29:11.480
I would also think I would have to be forced to concede that, yes, it is because I want
04:29:16.960
women to see all of those goods that I have, right?
04:29:20.400
They, they see the massive biceps, which by the way, I don't have.
04:29:28.940
Otherwise, I can't really think why you would post it in a public forum where everybody could
04:29:34.580
see it unless you wanted the feedback of, I really like seeing this.
04:29:41.780
Uh, I mean, yeah, but for me, I guess I just post more for the one guy that I like a year.
04:29:53.820
Uh, when you were, uh, when you had your eating disorder and you ate a lot, is that correct?
04:30:07.240
Did you ever post a single one of those photos?
04:30:11.720
Oh, you didn't post a single one of those photos.
04:30:18.520
It's almost like you thought you would get negative feedback on those, but you didn't
04:30:25.460
feel like you would get negative feedback on these.
04:30:31.360
Well, kind of going in circles here a little bit.
04:30:44.140
Uh, Austin, can you have Twitch pulled up here?
04:30:58.420
It's been, uh, 14, 15 minutes since we last had a Prime.
04:31:14.300
We're trying to get to, uh, 100,000 followers over there on Twitch.
04:31:31.920
And, uh, reminder, we've, uh, lowered the TTS to $100.
04:31:42.680
So, going around the table, this is related to the Stifler question.
04:31:46.180
Uh, do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
04:32:00.360
I don't like giving props to 304s, but that was good sport.
04:32:16.380
You did take your punishment like a man, Desiree.
04:32:23.460
And for that, for only that, Desiree, even though you're a crazy lunatic,
04:32:28.160
But I would, I would like to just very quickly revisit this, um, and, and ask you, uh, to our
04:32:47.380
I, I still, I still just got to kind of know the answer to this question.
04:33:05.080
And I'll give you the, I'll give you the same back.
04:33:07.040
I have several answers and you're saying that I'm saying that, oh, it's not for attention.
04:33:27.220
The more naked you are, do you get more likes on those photos?
04:33:34.220
Like if we, if I went through your photos right now on Instagram.
04:33:45.020
So the more naked you are, do you get more likes on those photos?
04:33:52.460
You just said you checked your likes on Instagram, right?
04:33:56.240
When I post them, but I just don't notice that.
04:34:01.720
If we were to go through and calculate, could you tell me honestly, like from your honest
04:34:06.540
assessment right now, if I went through and calculated, do you think that the photos where
04:34:12.040
you were the most nude had the most amount of likes versus the ones where you were not
04:34:36.460
So your crush, you think that your good dating strategy here is to show your crush that other
04:34:41.580
men desire you by you posting the most naked photos of yourself that you can.
04:34:50.860
No, I don't have that complicated thought process.
04:35:16.020
And you think that the best way to lure this crush in is by showing as many men as you can,
04:35:23.960
you as naked as you can possibly make yourself?
04:35:26.120
I don't think, I don't have that whole thought process.
04:35:38.320
I just want to make sure we're totally clear on this.
04:35:40.020
Uh, if you had to guess on the most liked photos you had, would you say that they are the ones
04:35:56.740
So before we come back to the thing, uh, you said you, do you, you have a crush?
04:36:11.900
How come you don't just send him the photos directly?
04:36:17.340
I mean, I haven't posted anything recently other than selfies.
04:36:22.200
But, but just in general, why wouldn't you just send him the pics instead of posting them
04:36:36.120
You're posting those so that your crush sees them.
04:36:38.700
Yet, there's a way I can think of where your, your crush could see them instantly and nobody
04:36:53.840
It's kind of like the idea of dropping the picture.
04:36:57.960
Yeah, I, I mean, I think it's kind of awkward just sending someone a picture, I guess.
04:37:06.240
Have you tagged your crush in any of these photos?
04:37:15.160
Let me ask you, let me ask you the final question.
04:37:17.220
Have you ever actually sent your crush directly these photos?
04:37:29.000
So to get this right, you post the photos for your crush.
04:37:32.720
You never actually send the pictures to your crush.
04:37:35.860
And on top of that, you've never even tagged your crush in any of these pictures.
04:37:40.080
But Andrew, please believe that these are just for my crush.
04:37:55.820
Like, if you're taking selfies and pictures, you send them to your boyfriend first, then post, see what he thinks.
04:38:03.460
At least that's, that would, that would be what, that's what I would do.
04:38:07.900
So, if you had a boyfriend, you would post, you would post, you would post pictures in your bra and panties if you had a boyfriend to the public at large to see what he thought?
04:38:22.400
Well, then what did, what did I get wrong there?
04:38:24.080
I said that posting, if I had a boyfriend, yes, that would make sense.
04:38:35.780
You know, if it was provocative and he didn't like it, then don't post it.
04:38:50.880
Yeah, but if you post them for your crush, why don't you just send them to your crush?
04:38:56.960
It doesn't indicate that, it just means that I like him.
04:39:11.320
Can we, can we please maybe try to ask a final question here to.
04:39:21.060
I'm trying to put my brain in your brain and figure out where you're coming from, right?
04:39:27.420
I understand the want for male attention because of, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
04:39:32.580
I don't actually understand the idea of I want to entice my crush by not sending him these pictures specifically,
04:39:40.800
but instead putting them out publicly without ever even tagging him so he doesn't even know I'm his crush.
04:39:54.300
No, there are situations where you're just not talking to them.
04:39:57.480
Yeah, like they don't even know each other closely.
04:40:00.540
She's not going to randomly send him a sexy photo.
04:40:15.020
If you have somebody in your brain, Desiree, who you want to entice...
04:40:19.180
I feel like I've been sending you less unsolicited news.
04:40:27.000
So when I make my Instagram posts, for example, I'm making them for him.
04:40:37.780
The men and non-insufferable women are talking Desiree.
04:40:44.620
The best thing ever that you've ever done, Desiree, for this show, is get muted.
04:40:49.620
Anyway, I'm happy to move it on from there, Brian.
04:40:52.760
And listen, I am really glad you detransitioned.
04:40:58.920
But on this, you can see that there's a huge inconsistency here.
04:41:06.440
Jade, you're constantly putting yourself in the F-only category with pics like that.
04:41:11.220
Your crush may like these photos and brag about being with you, but the relationship won't last.
04:41:17.280
I mean, I guess, like, whatever relationship I have in the end, God will decide and my life will be a testament to what I deserve in the end.
04:41:38.340
What can I do to silence Desiree for the rest of the show?
04:41:42.160
A new roof on the studio, it would be less arduous than her scientific analysis of all's perspective.
04:41:50.520
I'm going to actually give you the answer to this question that you desperately yearn for.
04:41:55.660
We are coming on 1 o'clock in the morning Eastern time, and this tells me that if you were to send Brian two champagne pops worth of Super Chats, meaning $2,000,
04:42:08.520
that I'm certain that we could silence Desiree for the rest of the night, and I would love to see it, by the way.
04:42:14.760
I'll just, I'll sit on Kiki's lap and drink the two bottles of champagne.
04:42:19.540
I can't hear you, Desiree, because you're fucking muted.
04:42:23.360
Should I, I feel like I should change the microphone mute to, like, one of the shut up things.
04:42:40.260
Kill of Cereal, good to see you in the chat, man.
04:42:47.940
I need to, it's hard to find something serial related.
04:42:52.460
Mr. E came up with Captain Crunch mixed with Count Chocula.
04:43:04.980
So, okay, let's get through a couple of these things here.
04:43:38.320
It's very hard for me to actually crush on someone.
04:43:47.340
I've liked a total of, well, I've crushed on a total of three guys in my life, I think.
04:44:00.000
Because you said you went on a date a week ago.
04:44:01.940
A week ago, you were being a little maybe vague or evasive on this.
04:44:29.040
Are you now like waiting periods of time before you'll hook up with somebody?
04:44:34.960
I want to wait until I'm officially a girlfriend.
04:44:38.360
So what if they make you a girlfriend on the first date?
04:44:50.860
I think I would wait a while after being a girlfriend.
04:44:59.380
Yes, I would have to be a girlfriend first, but I'd also have to wait a little bit.
04:45:23.900
How are you going to match with a guy on a grinder at 8 p.m.?
04:45:47.840
You are searching for the wrong attention and will get it.
04:45:51.000
Be a conservative like you say you are and take them down.
04:45:57.220
I just think it's kind of like when it comes to the whole bikini thing or whatever,
04:46:04.140
like the revealing photos, it's like if you're just going to claim lib,
04:46:11.520
I just don't think liberal women should be the only ones allowed to be sexy.
04:46:15.720
Like if somebody said they were a vegan, but you saw them eating meat every single week,
04:46:26.120
I just don't know why liberal is synonymous with being sexy.
04:46:29.380
Well, so part of conservatism has to do with like maintaining tradition, being traditional.
04:46:39.900
As I said, I'm not doing anything that my relatives or female wouldn't do.
04:46:49.780
So that – I'm not sure if that's like a rebuttal really.
04:46:58.800
Okay, so can you just – you're Christian, right?
04:47:03.000
If somebody doesn't believe in Jesus, can they be Christian?
04:47:10.780
So there's certain components of the faith that they have to adhere to to be considered Christian, right?
04:47:16.740
Okay, so like I get that – I guess your mom and your sister, they would post thirst traps and revealing –
04:47:24.880
My sister was a model, yeah, when she was my age.
04:47:29.000
But so it's kind of like part of being conservative and Christian, there's like a modesty component to it.
04:47:39.360
So I don't think, in my opinion, that's not what that means.
04:47:45.400
I think it means how you carry yourself and how you come across.
04:47:57.420
Well, but what does that mean, how you carry yourself?
04:48:00.780
I think I can wear the same thing as a trashy woman and we would not come across the same.
04:48:23.840
And the problem with that is – what about how – what if you carried yourself just really in a regal way while you were naked?
04:48:46.020
I know you're naked, but I thought it was all about how you carried yourself.
04:48:57.440
If you're wearing almost no clothing versus wearing no clothing –
04:49:02.740
What is the distinction in how you carry yours?
04:49:05.280
Like, for instance, if you took off your dress and just walked down the street with your brown panties,
04:49:10.380
is there a certain way you would carry yourself that would let us know?
04:49:19.980
As a dad, you seem lost and trying all the wrong approaches to find happiness.
04:49:28.740
I'm just wondering, if you walk down the street in your brown panties,
04:49:33.620
how are you carrying yourself differently than if you were walking down the street with nothing on?
04:49:40.860
As I said, those outfits, they were all situational.
04:49:46.160
They were a rave outfit or a Halloween party or a beach party.
04:49:52.880
I'm talking about this idea of how you carry yourself.
04:49:56.720
So how could you carry yourself down the street with your brown panties versus naked?
04:50:03.800
Hang on, that would make a distinction in people's minds about what it is you were about.
04:50:13.080
So I don't understand the carry yourself thing then.
04:50:20.500
Are you being, it's just how you carry yourself?
04:50:27.440
Yeah, I mean, you're just restating the thing I'm asking.
04:50:39.920
Stream Rift donated $100 to the chick that disagrees with Andrew on aborts.
04:50:45.500
Nevada law already protects abortion up to 24 weeks, brutally late.
04:50:51.440
Now they are trying to allow nine-month aborts.
04:51:14.880
I just want to know very briefly, the idea of it's how you carry yourself, which is what
04:51:31.220
So let's say a girl did porn and OnlyFans and did gang bangs, but she carried herself
04:51:50.280
But she says, well, I'm a, I'm a good Christian.
04:51:55.220
But she does gang bangs and porn and all that shit.
04:52:02.720
Can she claim to be a traditional conservative woman?
04:52:16.520
So just to be clear, God's totally cool with you dressing like super revealing out in public.
04:52:24.400
There's no component of modesty when it comes to Christianity.
04:52:30.640
I don't think it has anything to do with showing skin.
04:52:33.560
Then why can't you walk down the fucking street naked?
04:52:40.740
I mean, revealing your genitals is something completely different.
04:52:44.220
You just said it has nothing to do with revealing your skin.
04:53:10.240
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life is not of the Father, but is of the world.
04:53:33.220
I just Googled modesty Christianity, and it says Christians should dress modestly and be conscious of the shamefulness of public nakedness.
04:53:42.240
For example, 1 Timothy 2.8-10 says that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel with modesty and self-control.
04:53:50.980
So, now that I've quoted you something directly from the Bible, do you want to walk back your position?
04:53:58.040
Yeah, I don't, I mean, I don't think I'm, I'm not.
04:54:15.540
So, I think I can steel man what you're saying.
04:54:18.940
Listen, I'm dressing provocatively, but how you carry yourself is an entailment.
04:54:25.660
How, how, how I would actually behave towards a person has nothing to do with how I'm dressing.
04:54:32.740
Is that, is that essentially what you're saying?
04:54:37.740
Okay, let's ask you, if that is the case, why couldn't you walk down the street totally naked and just carry yourself in a certain way?
04:54:50.540
So, then if you just wore two little tiny tassels around your nipples.
04:54:56.400
And then just cover the vagina and then the ass crack with like a small thin strap.
04:55:07.060
Me, personally, I believe it depends on the situation.
04:55:12.660
Like, I would not dress in anything little in front of anybody's parents.
04:55:20.100
You're dressing online like that in front of people's parents.
04:55:24.040
I was going to say that those were all situational.
04:55:37.680
Even if we grant that it was situationally okay.
04:55:40.820
When you go ahead and post it on the internet without the context...
04:55:55.080
No, I was thinking that like on the Bible, like Christianism or whatever says that you should not hook up.
04:56:08.340
So, like, I don't think that Christians do all this stuff.
04:56:18.880
But I think that if you're confident with that and you feel good, whatever.
04:56:34.040
No, that if we put, like, all this stuff on, like, your religion, I don't think, like, it's the point.
04:56:46.420
No, the point is, like, you can ask why she does it, why, like, whatever.
04:56:51.360
But it's not about, like, modesty for the Christianism or whatever.
04:56:55.700
Because if someone has to, I think, I mean, if you're a Christian, you should do everything then...
04:57:05.260
So, what happens if you claim, the reason that I believe the things I believe is due to the fact that I'm a Christian?
04:57:14.160
And then you move against the very ethics of the thing, which is being Christian.
04:57:50.220
We should encourage men to not be afraid of rejection.
04:57:55.960
Encouraging women to approach men only feminizes men more.
04:58:20.300
And what do the Catholics think about photos like that?
04:58:47.160
And I met a lot of people that judge gays, that did shit.
04:58:54.520
But you don't consider yourself a Catholic, right?
04:58:59.020
But imagine if somebody did, and then did those things.
04:59:09.380
I saw so many people doing it and saying that they're Catholic, that I think that we are not...
04:59:15.900
They weren't acting in a way that was Catholic, right?
04:59:18.620
They don't follow all the rules, but I think that now we're in a period that a lot, like...
04:59:30.720
You can say people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else.
04:59:39.460
I'm just asking if somebody says that they're a Catholic...
04:59:43.080
...and then does do those things, are they a Catholic?
04:59:48.020
I think that, like, if someone, I don't know, like, believes in God and says, okay, I'm Catholic
04:59:53.840
because I believe in God and whatever, like, okay, and they don't want to follow everything,
05:00:06.760
So, wait, so I just want to make sure I got this right.
05:00:09.860
The official Catholic teaching is that if it feels good to you, it's fine?
05:00:22.140
We agree that the teaching says that you should not follow them.
05:00:23.980
Well, then if we agree, then are they actually Catholic if they say you should do this,
05:00:31.960
and then they do the opposition on purpose, on purpose, are they being Catholic?
05:00:45.900
My mom was the old traditional kind and barely showed skin.
05:00:49.760
This new age traditional crap isn't traditional at all.
05:00:57.780
I know my relationship with God, and I know that I practice, and it's very deep to me,
05:01:07.600
and I think I'm just appreciating the femininity and femaleness that I almost lost.
05:01:16.760
And I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but if you think that, then that's fine.
05:01:24.860
I don't care that you have revealing photos, but, like, can you at least concede that it's not modest?
05:01:36.700
Like, I don't read that scripture the way other people do, I think.
05:01:41.720
Okay, I'm not even talking about religion at this point.
05:01:59.260
I'm not doing anything different that other women my age aren't.
05:02:07.740
You're not doing anything different that women you're...
05:02:10.640
That's not evidence that they're traditional or that you're traditional.
05:02:20.520
I don't think it has anything to do with your appearance.
05:02:39.300
Most liberal women will be like, yeah, I dress revealing and provocative and, like,
05:03:00.100
What am I supposed to dress like as a 24-year-old?
05:03:03.240
I don't dress this way, but here's a photo of me dressing this way.
05:03:05.360
What am I supposed to dress like as a 24-year-old?
05:03:08.900
So the question to you, as the self-identified Christian, how are you supposed to dress?
05:03:21.320
I'm not doing anything that my sister or my mom...
05:03:30.660
I don't know any Christian or Catholic that just doesn't dress like me or look like me.
05:03:49.080
Well, I mean, if we're talking about listening to everything the Bible says, I mean, come on.
05:03:55.980
Well, if you're going to quote the Bible and say...
05:04:02.000
Oh, I remember vaguely the quote was, don't indulge in things that are only for pleasure and addictions.
05:04:22.300
Well, yeah, so I have the Orthodox teachings from the original Church of Jesus Christ, which
05:04:28.800
I'm a part of, and you know what they say about smoking?
05:04:40.360
There's no official church doctrine on smoking.
05:05:22.160
I just got to ask you, is drinking alcohol bad?
05:05:25.060
From a Christian purview, from a Christian perspective, should drinking alcohol be bad?
05:05:31.580
I think they allow alcohol, like, in moderation.
05:05:34.200
They have ceremonies that involve alcohol, I'm pretty sure.
05:05:39.180
I think chain-smoking is probably bad in Christian addiction.
05:05:50.300
I'm happy to compete with any bullshit that you come up with.
05:05:57.220
Are you willing to concede that you're not modest?
05:05:59.100
Um, outside of those costumes, I'd say, I don't know.
05:06:07.740
I think I just dress like every other woman my age.
05:06:19.040
Do you think that the majority of men that you encounter are traditional princes?
05:06:47.340
But they're acting just like all the other men are acting.
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You're saying, I am modest because all the other women are also dressing in this way,
05:07:02.560
so this is the sort of status quo, ergo, it is within the realm of normal modesty,
05:07:12.080
When I reverse it, and so you're saying, well, so if you're traditional, right?
05:07:24.480
There are traditional women, and then there aren't.
05:07:26.240
I just have one last follow-up question on this topic.
05:07:35.020
Did you ever hear the saying, if everybody else jumped off of a bridge, would you?
05:07:40.260
You call yourself traditional and Christian, but you compare yourself to the world.
05:07:47.180
I compare myself to other Christians that I know and Catholics.
05:07:51.600
And by the way, I disagree with his comments, or I do think you have to engage with the world as a Christian.
05:07:56.560
I think that that is part of being a Christian.
05:08:01.940
Right this second, right now, as we're speaking, why is what you're wearing modest?
05:08:25.440
Yeah, what makes it not inappropriate or appropriate?
05:08:40.180
So, I mean, this is where we're getting into the crux, right?
05:08:43.380
So, I don't want to get into the, oh, well, there's just nothing you can do where it's not bad.
05:08:48.900
I'm just trying to figure out the kind of designation of what you think is appropriate.
05:08:55.800
Like, if we can post, like, basically nude pictures, bra and panties to the Instagram, and that's fine because it's about how we carry ourselves.
05:09:05.340
But we can also show up at the Whatever podcast with a very revealing dress, and let's not kid ourselves, it is.
05:09:14.880
How do I dress differently than other women my age?
05:09:17.660
I don't know what you expect them to dress like.
05:09:20.120
Let's assume they all dress the same way you do.
05:09:27.100
Yeah, but is Christianity about doing what everybody else does, or...?
05:09:32.580
No, I don't think that anybody is perfect in their faith.
05:09:38.180
Yeah, I'm not claiming anybody's perfect in anything.
05:09:41.620
I'm just saying, I'm just asking you, right now, right this second,
05:09:47.660
you're in front of God, and you're justifying to him why what you're wearing is appropriate.
05:09:54.040
For walking around in the streets of Santa Barbara, you say to him this thing.
05:09:57.980
In 90 degree weather, in a dress that is almost at my knees is not inappropriate.
05:10:16.260
I don't feel like we ever, we got any closer to what is appropriate, but okay.
05:10:23.800
You know, there is specific, there's actually specific criteria for this.
05:10:27.140
GMD Jim donated $100, Andrew, you understand, in, not of, she is being, of, that is part
05:10:39.400
Yeah, okay, so I think that that's a much fairer way of putting it.
05:10:43.520
You do live in the world, doesn't mean you have to be of the world, but I do think you
05:10:47.260
should participate in the world, even while you're not of it, if that makes sense to you,
05:10:53.020
Jim, but, but here, kind of back to this, the reason I'm asking this is I'm just, I'm just
05:10:59.440
looking for, like, a simple delineation point of when it's not about how you feel, and when
05:11:06.460
I'm just not doing anything different that other women my age aren't.
05:11:12.520
So, if all the women your age were fucking a different man every night, you would do that?
05:11:17.980
You would, if ever, all the women your age were smoking crack, you would do that?
05:11:24.200
It's not a matter of what I expect you to dress like.
05:11:26.320
As a Christian woman that I know, I'm just the same.
05:11:27.560
I'm asking from your view, if all the women your age were smoking crack, why would you
05:11:44.420
Okay, so you don't think it has anything to do with Christianity that you don't smoke crack,
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All right, I'm willing to leave it there, Brian.
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Well, it's definitely interpretable, but it says,
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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.
05:12:14.460
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response, were you even close to anything that could
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It is, I will not be, everything is permissible by me, but not everything is beneficial.
05:12:34.200
Everything is permissible for me, but I will not be mastered by anything.
05:12:38.580
So, this person, this article that interpreted it, so you could, you could, you could, you
05:12:46.900
Uh, well, I, I'd say you are mastered by an addiction.
05:12:51.240
I think that that's, that's what, I mean, this, uh, Christian interpreters.
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Do you know what the, do you know what the passions are?
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I mean, do you think that you are not mastered by an addiction?
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Before you ask me, before you ask me a question, answer mine, then I'll answer one of yours.
05:13:19.040
You would consider those to be passions, right?
05:13:30.260
Um, have you ever seen somebody, uh, who smokes become more induced towards love or rage or
05:13:42.080
Well, and that's why you're full of shit and don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
05:13:45.600
So the thing is, is that in every other case of the drug that you might bring up, you might
05:13:50.460
have a good case to make because this is in reference to the passion.
05:13:55.780
What has happened, what has happened instead, is that we have taken the one drug that you
05:14:02.580
She is being in the mindset of a freak in the sheets, but just a half-naked lady in the
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Definitely of a God-fearing woman who holds herself to a higher calling, as high as her
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Anyway, you happened to pick the one drug that had nothing to do with the influence of the
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You just told every Christian that smoking is not problematic, has nothing to do with
05:14:28.180
their passions, has nothing to do with self-mastery.
05:14:33.980
Brian did tell you you would take the L. Take that fucking L. You deserve it all the
05:14:43.480
Um, so I did want to, I was trying to get to this, um, so I was asking you, you want
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to wait, uh, a month for this new guy or whatever, or a new guy?
05:15:19.460
Yeah, I can't do it while we're live streaming.
05:15:31.540
So you previously, the first guy, or the first guy had sex with him within an hour of meeting
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But now you want to make the new guy wait a month?
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But don't you think that's kind of a little silly?
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Like, the guy you lose your virginity to, you wait?
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Like, okay, you tell me this, and I'm like, hold on.
05:16:08.420
So just to be clear, so the guy you lost your virginity to, you matched with him on a gay
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dating app, you went to a truck stop, you fucked him in the truck within an hour of meeting
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But, like, you fucked, you lost your virginity to a homeless truck driver?
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I've always had to update my protocol, each bad experience I have.
05:16:51.880
I just don't want to add to my body count that is already very low to a guy that isn't going
05:17:02.960
I need to know that he's going to commit, because honestly, I just want my person, and...
05:17:20.660
And I know that's kind of contradicting because of what I've been through, but...
05:17:25.580
That happened because I was essayed, and I was just desperate to lose it, consensually.
05:17:45.000
Wait, how soon after you were essayed did this...
05:17:58.820
Very funny that the distinct difference between men and women, men do get essayed, and they
05:18:05.880
It's so interesting to me how much, though, the accountability for women goes back to,
05:18:10.420
I do this bad behavior because of essay, and it's not excused in men at all, ever.
05:18:18.800
Especially when they're young, well, hang on, especially when they're young, you do realize
05:18:23.320
It happens to men as well, and yet, they're not allowed to use it as a crutch for a current
05:18:35.360
They say, it doesn't matter if this horrible thing happened to you, you must be held to account
05:18:40.320
for the thing you're currently doing, and yet, for some reason, for women, they can call
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Yet, for women, they can call back to an essay story, and somehow, that's supposed to lend
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more credibility to the shit behavior they have right now.
05:19:00.040
I don't like that that happened, but I think it led me to where I am now.
05:19:12.380
If you want commitment before sex, then here's a surefire way.
05:19:19.160
Hence, you need commitment and exclusivity in a relationship before hooking up.
05:19:23.720
Yeah, like, for instance, I could never, I could never, for instance, I could never excuse current
05:19:31.040
bad behavior by saying it's because Desiree sexually assaulted me and Brian.
05:19:36.780
Brian and I could never in a million years, hang on, Brian and I, stop, Desiree, let me
05:19:43.000
Brian and I could never in a million years excuse current bad behavior because Desiree over there
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And yet, for some reason, perfectly acceptable for women to do that.
05:19:57.680
I'm explaining my reasoning as to why I met up with a stranger.
05:20:07.080
So you brought it up, the context you brought it up in is saying you have a brand new standard
05:20:13.940
for new men where, despite you having lost your virginity, your new standard is, I got
05:20:22.020
This could mean meeting up, like, a handful of times, multiple times, 10 times, 15 times,
05:20:48.900
You said, even if he says, okay, on the first date, I will be your boyfriend, you would still
05:21:00.620
Well, and then let's assume that most guys aren't going to do that and they're going to
05:21:11.720
I mean, yeah, if we're dating, if we're seeing each other, if we're exclusive and he's just
05:21:18.280
Ladies at the table, how long does it take you to get exclusivity and boyfriend-girlfriend
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Like, for me, like, by my side, then I don't know the other side, like, two months, but
05:21:40.740
Yeah, I'll see, like, a month and a half for me.
05:21:46.360
I, for some reason, get the ones that want to, like, breed me.
05:21:50.900
I would have a conversation about it with them, so I wouldn't have a...
05:22:03.220
So, let's say you go on a date with a guy, and it's going well, and he's like, hey,
05:22:26.760
We would have to be seeing each other for a while.
05:22:39.940
Talking to each other, talking to nobody else, sure.
05:22:56.540
I don't think that you can say, like, one week, one month.
05:23:06.000
But why do girls have this, like, this totally different, like, y'all will hook up with a
05:23:19.120
Like, for me, like, I hook up with a dude, and then I decide if I want to, like, keep
05:23:33.180
Because I'm not the kind of person that says, okay, I want something, like, official.
05:23:44.200
Like, if a guy is musty, you might not want to sleep with him on the first, like, you know,
05:23:49.920
But if he's, like, if you're really attracted to him, you are probably more inclined.
05:23:54.760
I explained my reasoning for the first mistake that I made.
05:24:03.700
Hold on, just to be clear, you dated that guy for two years, so not just one mistake,
05:24:16.180
The very next guy you dated, you hooked up with him on the second date.
05:24:21.340
I got the impression that we were going to start seeing each other and that we were going
05:24:26.080
to be exclusive, and I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions, but that is why.
05:24:45.360
Like, do you have any, like, do you have any objections, actually, to sleeping with somebody
05:25:09.180
Okay, so I'm just confused why women will, like, in their past, they'll sleep with guys
05:25:16.600
really quick, and then when the guy who's worthy of a relationship...
05:25:25.340
Women give sex to the fuckboys, the jerks, the assholes, the abusers instantly.
05:25:32.180
But the guy who treats you well, who's deserving of a long-term relationship...
05:25:38.280
The guy who's deserving of a long-term relationship, he has to wait a month to have sex.
05:25:53.680
I don't do that, but I see a lot of girls that does it.
05:25:57.660
But I think it's because they want to be sure that they keep seeing him, I guess.
05:26:09.720
We have been sold the message our whole lives that guys are judging us based on that.
05:26:14.980
So I know for me, personally, I was so in my head trying to be like, what's the date number that I could sleep with the guy so that he would take me seriously, but not wait too long to where he thinks I'm at.
05:26:27.340
I don't think there's ever been a situation where...
05:26:31.420
There was just a lot of dating advice out there, like, during the level of the dating apps, there was, like, dating coaches telling us.
05:26:40.040
If we're looking at multiverse type shit, there is no one universe where you sleep with the guy and he doesn't want to date you to take you seriously.
05:26:53.520
I was believing Jade and sympathetic to her story.
05:26:59.720
She's revealed so many contradictions, it's obvious cloud chasing.
05:27:04.240
The rest of the panel is bored with how much attention spent on her.
05:27:24.340
If I were in that situation and, yes, you were a good man and he was seeing me and he wanted to commit and it just happened, then it'll happen.
05:27:51.540
If the guy wanted to sleep with you on the first date, would you do it?
05:28:04.860
So, are these things negotiable or are they your boundaries?
05:28:13.920
What's the situation that you fuck a guy the first night you meet him?
05:28:23.040
That was situational and that was when I was younger.
05:28:33.400
Andrew, 1 Corinthians 3, 16-17 clearly says if you destroy God's temple, your body, God will bring judgment.
05:28:45.720
This is about obedience to God, not personal freedom.
05:28:53.980
But it's kind of like you reward the fuckboys who don't give you commitment with immediate sex, but then you punish the guys worthy of a relationship.
05:29:11.320
I'm already tilted as it is having this fucking conversation and then you got to fucking interrupt me on top of it.
05:29:28.460
I've been trying for 30 fucking minutes to get to the fucking point.
05:29:39.940
It's like you're basically saying I thought you were a better long-term prospect, so I treated you worse than the guy I knew who was a, well, maybe you didn't know it up front, who was an asshole and toxic.
05:29:51.820
And it's like you're telling these guys, like, you were so important to me.
05:30:01.560
But just for you, not the other guys who got it on the first or second night.
05:30:06.100
I feel like I was a completely different person and in a completely different situation and.
05:30:16.460
So, you know about me that I used to get my ex-girlfriend flowers and we, and you know what?
05:30:25.400
She was actually just a fling and she like, she never treated me well, but I used to get her flowers.
05:30:35.000
But now that I'm talking to you, that was my past.
05:30:40.280
Now we go 50-50 on everything, no vacations, no traditional treatment.
05:30:48.700
Why did she get that sort of treatment when I'm treating him way better?
05:30:55.120
Yeah, I mean, if you were hurt, I'd understand.
05:31:06.100
Yeah, I'm just not in that position, so I can't say.
05:31:13.560
Maybe I will fall in love and we will do it before he's my boyfriend.
05:31:20.860
I think who I was back then was completely different and I made mistakes and I wouldn't
05:31:29.660
I don't want to rack up a body count and then he doesn't, he's not my boyfriend for the next
05:31:40.180
I'm just going to give you a couple of analogies.
05:31:43.500
So all your exes got five, got five star meals, but she gets McDonald's because you've
05:31:51.720
turned, you've turned over a new leaf and decided that money has better uses than just
05:32:07.580
But you find out he wants to go 50-50 with you until you guys are married.
05:32:12.160
Then you learn his last three girlfriends, he paid for everything, rent, dates, vacations.
05:32:17.500
He even went on a date a week before he went on a date with you and he paid the entire
05:32:38.200
Did she take advantage of him and only use him for his money?
05:32:46.280
I'm not saying that I would say, oh, no, absolutely not.
05:33:07.700
Oh, well, now, okay, everybody's gone from the panel.
05:33:20.460
I'm going to try and involve some of the other panelists.
05:33:36.300
Many gay men report that they've been essayed very young.
05:33:39.600
We're seeing this issue affecting men, but we can't talk about it because the world claims
05:34:01.760
Maybe I'll finally be able to get through everything.
05:34:10.780
Sounds like Jade isn't making decisions about sex based off of her pre-existing set of morals.
05:34:17.000
Rather, she is still developing her sexual morals and further refining them with every
05:34:23.360
Yeah, and that second situation, it wasn't the same as the first at all.
05:34:29.480
As I said, I really thought that he was going to be my partner, and I shouldn't have thought
05:34:36.860
That was ridiculous of me, but I mean, that's why I trusted him, and I shouldn't have, but
05:34:44.800
that's my problem is that I trusted too easily, and I don't want to make that mistake again.
05:35:03.640
You said you have personal opinions that might get you ostracized?
05:35:17.780
Everyone's too self-absorbed, whether in their own traumas or their own success.
05:35:23.760
I really do feel like people are not willing to make the sacrifices, whether it's refining
05:35:28.600
their character, you know, to establish a general relationship.
05:35:34.840
I honestly feel like no one knows what they want.
05:35:37.320
People are all lost, and they're just finding distractions, and, yeah.
05:35:46.220
People, I think, are energy vampires, too, as well.
05:35:56.300
Well, we already talked about the sperm donor thing.
05:36:14.400
Did you want to talk a bit about differences when it came to...
05:36:20.600
Well, dating American versus European men, or Italian men, I guess.
05:36:26.240
I mean, last time that I did an American, I was 17, so, like...
05:36:34.420
And I feel that Americans are a little bit, like, going around and hook up, like, easily.
05:36:54.860
Maybe, like, Europeans are more romantic, I guess.
05:37:02.480
I'm going to come back and tell you what I find out this year.
05:37:09.460
But it sounded like, from what you said earlier, you kind of are looking for something more casual yourself, right?
05:37:14.780
No, actually, right now, like, yeah, I'm not looking for anything.
05:37:19.800
If something happens, that's not too stressful.
05:37:29.860
But if not, I'm fine, like, by myself, it's fine.
05:37:55.060
She gets, you know, look, it's, I don't know, long breaks, long breaks.
05:38:17.500
Andrew, heard you and you know I love you, too.
05:38:23.640
I would not waste my hard-earned money if I did not.
05:38:26.900
This world needs help, and most Christians sadly will not.
05:38:38.660
So, has anybody else here had an age gap relationship?
05:38:49.700
My last relationship, he was six years older than me.
05:38:52.960
Was this the guy who shoved your head in the toilet?
05:39:02.640
Shoved her head in the toilet while he was fucking her up the ass.
05:39:05.840
I just wanted to make sure we were clear on that.
05:39:40.760
You could have a relationship with an older man and it not be a sugar baby dynamic.
05:40:07.940
I think, like, if I'm just dating you, you're just going to give me money to date you.
05:40:13.060
Like, not even necessarily, like, hooking up with, like, a wrinkly 70-year-old.
05:40:19.120
The question I asked you just kind of totally went over your head.
05:40:26.760
I wouldn't be attracted to, like, probably 60-plus.
05:40:34.460
Jade, by her story alone, appears to be a very emotionally and maturely delayed woman.
05:40:40.240
I do not find her to be dishonest, but rather naive and burdened by what has been.
05:40:52.380
I think I've matured a lot, and I am significantly different than the woman I was when I detransitioned.
05:41:07.940
So, Vivian, you're saying that's your name, right?
05:41:15.040
Why did you shake your head like this and then say yes?
05:41:19.260
Because, I mean, you kind of remember people's names.
05:42:21.560
Old man, Maureen, girl with diarrhea, look to your left and see what your future holds
05:42:35.100
I don't have diarrhea, so I'm not sure who you're talking to.
05:42:40.340
So a chat came in while you were gone in the bathroom, and you were gone for a while,
05:42:53.080
I said this off stream to you, but like, really disappointed with your change of hair,
05:43:12.300
Like you were going blonde, but like you stopped the shit too soon, and you're like, fuck my
05:43:19.200
Did you go to the salon, and you said, fuck my shit up?
05:43:24.360
I did say fix what I did, because I did half bleach my hair, so...
05:43:37.000
Sometimes it comes out as like we botched our hair.
05:43:46.060
What about without sugaring, what's the oldest guy that you would date?
05:44:22.720
Yeah, my situationship, we're like 10 years apart.
05:44:29.960
The father of my children is 17 years older than me.
05:44:37.360
I mean, I don't really have anything more on that one.
05:44:42.580
Because, yeah, I was trying to get you in on this convo here.
05:44:45.040
Do age gap relationships give any of you the ick?
05:45:04.900
You get the ick from your own guy or while you're not dating or whatever.
05:45:09.360
Look, I need to get my rocks off every so often or I'm going to be a really mean person.
05:45:17.340
So, the guy who you call sperm donor, who you hate, you guys still hook up?
05:45:25.520
Remember, I'm in a situationship and my sperm donor is completely different.
05:45:31.000
You've been in a situationship for two years, but the eight-year guy is a sperm donor, dude.
05:45:42.500
We lived together for a year and a half, and then it became a situationship.
05:45:58.280
I'm not the type to really go through phones and tell me, who are you sleeping with other
05:46:14.240
Tim, I got to wait to ask this question until the whole panel's back.
05:46:26.000
Uh, Austin, are there other reacts, or did we do...
05:46:32.060
Wait, there was something from Jade, like an Instagram post we were going to pull up.
05:46:41.560
For Benedetta, how do Italians view the Roman Empire pre-395 CE?
05:47:24.380
It's not something that I come up in a discussion, like, in a conversation.
05:47:49.160
Yeah, I do cook very well, but I don't eat pasta.
05:48:06.400
There's a lot, so I don't know if we'll get to everything, but 41 years old, gamer, streamer,
05:48:12.640
damn good in the domestic sense, college educated, fully employed, two-income household,
05:48:17.440
married kids, all that, partridge in a pear tree.
05:48:21.780
You wanted to talk about double standards, the dating market, why sleeping around, glorified
05:48:32.580
Of your notes, I mean, I could kind of go through them on my own, but what are some of
05:48:36.360
the big ones that you kind of wanted to get into?
05:48:42.000
A big one that I would love to hear everyone's take on is, women have flocked to social media
05:48:51.880
to ask the question, where have all the good men gone?
05:48:55.700
My sort of top ones as to why that happens is, number one, they're staying away from you,
05:49:08.260
You're still just not looking in the right places.
05:49:09.820
Three, have you explored the choices in men you are making, only experiencing the bad
05:49:16.600
Take a step back, review the choices you are making.
05:49:22.900
Five, modern feminism is killing chivalry, commonly associated with good men.
05:49:29.580
Six, good men are choosing to stay single and put themselves first before relationships.
05:49:34.880
The current dating climate is keeping them from willingly choosing any woman or being more
05:49:41.260
And number seven, men are being more vocal about their standards, just as women have
05:49:52.960
Anyway, that's one of the ones I wanted to discuss.
05:50:02.320
Since I have two daughters, and they're trying to follow these TikTok trends, and they think
05:50:06.900
it's cute to wear these crop tops and do all this free pro-feminist movement and all that
05:50:12.900
And it's like, at the end of the day, you are your self-representative.
05:50:19.480
People are going to look at you first and see how you represent yourself.
05:50:22.040
And the way you carry yourself is what you attract.
05:50:25.720
If you want to attract a good man, you need to carry yourself as a good woman.
05:50:32.400
I don't know how these standards are to people, because everybody has different standards.
05:50:37.500
I'm pretty sure a man doesn't want a woman who's half-dressed all the time or who's very,
05:50:44.140
like, I guess, too masculine or too vocal or too, you know, firecracker popping off all
05:50:57.560
I'll come back to some of your notes really quick.
05:51:03.420
It's like a chart with something, I don't know.
05:51:22.100
What women think men want in women, financial stability, confidence, successful, high-earning,
05:51:29.720
career, ambitious, challenging, strong, independent.
05:51:32.560
What men actually want in women, fit body, kindness, supportive, hardworking, agreeable,
05:51:46.860
I mean, any disagreements from anyone on the panel here?
05:51:49.900
I have a question, but when we speak of traditional, by what means are we talking like the 1950s type
05:51:55.480
of traditional, like lifestyle, or what is, how are we measuring traditional?
05:52:08.040
An example of a traditional relationship or a traditional couple would be typically a male or a man that brings home the bread, so to speak, provides.
05:52:20.880
And the woman, so I referenced it earlier, a man that would take care of the outer world for a woman, and the man would take care of his inner, being caring, being supportive, taking care of his family, taking care of the home.
05:52:35.460
Those are the inners, like where he lives, you know, where he puts his hat, you know what I mean?
05:52:39.560
And the man will, in order to allow her to do that, will provide for her to do that, bring home the income to give her the home for her to support.
05:52:50.800
So it's, it's, it's a given, it's a give and take.
05:52:56.420
So relationships, men and women are all about balance.
05:53:03.980
Science, or excuse me, yin and yang, science, nature, the world in general thrives off balance.
05:53:10.840
If it goes off, if it goes off the scale, tips.
05:53:17.240
If you bring home the bread, he cleans and manages the home.
05:53:21.080
If he earns the bread, then you manage the home.
05:53:23.760
It's unrealistic to expect he's going to come home being the sole breadwinner and help clean the house or cook the meals.
05:53:29.820
It's logically realistic to balance that scale.
05:53:32.940
If you both are bringing home the income, then balance the workload at home.
05:53:37.120
This is different for part-time versus full-time, obviously.
05:53:42.320
As I was going to say, it's all, it's all fluid.
05:53:45.100
The point is to be versatile and be willing to slide into what's needed for the partnership.
05:53:52.720
But when you're together, it's all about what's good for the family.
05:53:57.020
It should not be what he or she can do for me or give me.
05:54:06.260
It should be what value can I bring as a partner to this person?
05:54:27.240
Especially being versatile, trying to see what can I bring into the table in order to make this partnership work,
05:54:35.300
Like I mentioned earlier, I think people are a little too self-absorbed,
05:54:37.660
and not a lot of people are willing to do this.
05:54:40.340
And I feel like nowadays, dating is just a distraction from the oppression of whatever we're going through in life.
05:54:51.720
You said, if a young woman dates an older man for money, is that prostitution?
05:55:04.800
You said, oh, you had a disagreement with Andrew on women's rights being made up.
05:55:11.400
Yeah, but you didn't, you wanted to have the convo with Andrew.
05:55:22.580
But before we do, just since we have everybody finally back at the table here,
05:55:32.940
So do you think you will be better looking in 10 years' time?
05:55:36.680
I don't necessarily know that I'll be better looking,
05:55:43.160
but I trust that I will feel better about how I look.
05:55:47.020
Because that's just the trajectory that I'm on,
05:55:49.480
that I've enjoyed aging and I feel better and better about myself.
05:55:53.820
And then were you better looking at 29 than you are now at 39?
05:55:59.280
Were you better looking at 19 than you are now at 39?
05:56:02.640
So as far as 10 years from now at 49 compared to 39?
05:56:20.460
I mean, obviously there's going to be signs of aging.
05:56:23.280
So it's just a matter of where culture and society is at the time.
05:56:28.420
We are coming, circling back around to a more natural beauty.
05:56:34.820
It definitely, it's a cool time to be in the modeling industry right now.
05:56:44.980
That's, I got into OnlyFans because I was first a model.
05:56:52.020
Essentially, I'm like the modern version of a Playboy bunny.
05:57:36.520
Well, you can, I mean, you can see, you could say some people age like fine wine.
05:57:43.940
So, and I plan on doing that, but I think sexually, like, youth is, like, a big thing that I tend to see, like, men liking.
05:58:02.340
FYI, after her podcast appearance a few weeks ago, Ava has accused you of underhanded debate tactics and has flouted the ire of doing an expose on you.
05:58:20.500
I mean, she's going to expose me for alleged underhanded debate tactics.
05:58:25.980
I'm not sure what that would even be referring to.
05:58:36.760
What would be, what would be underhanded about it, right?
05:58:44.480
This is the girl who, like, we, we got somebody, whatever, and she basically, whatever.
05:58:59.980
Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years?
05:59:06.880
I mean, I'm planning to, like, do sports and keep myself, you know, in good shape.
05:59:14.560
So I hope that I'm going to look okay with some kind of differences, but.
05:59:26.020
Maybe at that time, maybe I'm going to look older, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to
05:59:53.240
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
06:00:17.460
You should bring, if Ava's really going to do an expose,
06:00:26.320
And she can come do it in the Whatever Studio 1v1.
06:00:29.600
And then she can't complain about the underhanded debate tactics, right?
06:00:43.780
I just set up the thing, so it should be fine if you want to send it in.
06:01:13.040
Do you think you're better looking now at 27 than you were at 18?
06:01:22.100
Yes, because I had a real big baby face, and I feel like I'm kind of growing out of it.
06:01:50.360
Sometimes I'll hear, well, you know, these men, they age better.
06:01:57.420
I actually want to show a photo of young Brian.
06:02:04.160
Sorry, to clarify the expose she's publicly teased on our channel would be about your personal history.
06:02:10.940
Considering you're a chill dude, it seems to be a bridge too far to dig up your past like that.
06:02:16.320
Oh, you mean female innuendo and slander instead of actually debating any topics of substance?
06:02:27.360
You know, it's really funny too is like all the resources which are available to male streamers where they could do something counter to that.
06:02:34.640
They could literally hire PIs, dive into a woman's past, look up their exes, bring them on, do horrible things to them, and they don't.
06:02:45.300
I mean, when it comes to this Ava girl, I don't really remember most of the content of most of the conversations I have because I have so many of them.
06:03:08.380
It was, it was, I'm trying to think which, you might have not been on that, I'm trying to remember when it was.
06:03:43.060
So, wait, so you versus an entire panel, and there's going to be underhanded debate tactics, huh?
06:03:50.840
Brian, why didn't you just tie yourself up and let them beat you half to death with sticks while you just stood there and took it?
06:03:58.280
I mean, how dare you ever speak a word, on your own show especially, to the goddess women?
06:04:11.340
Like, why not just debate the actual, like, what she disagreed with me on?
06:04:16.120
I don't even think there was much of a major back and forth between me and her, though.
06:04:21.400
Well, the only thing was, before the show, she kind of, like, was, like, talking to one of the guests and then made the guest feel uncomfortable about being on the show, essentially, and then the guest left before the show.
06:04:35.560
Yeah, but I'm sure that that was your fault somehow, Brian.
06:04:42.020
If she's going to make it, she's going to make it.
06:05:02.260
You women need a dose of reality because no one is giving you pushback.
06:05:19.140
I won't derail the conversation on this too long.
06:05:23.100
Is that I've had numerous, like, heated debates with women on the show.
06:05:28.920
And it never occurred to me to, like, try to ruin their life because I disagreed with them.
06:05:34.580
But there have been plenty of women who have come on the show who I've actually not even done any, like, not even said anything really mean or offensive to them.
06:05:46.820
This is how, I mean, this is how women operate.
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I need you to understand why you're in the wrong here.
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You're in the wrong because women are born perfect angels.
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Ontologically perfect in every single conceivable way which is possible.
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And then what happens is a mean old man comes and corrupts their ultimate purity and their perfectness and turns them into, like Desiree over here, some sort of perverse monster.
06:06:53.580
Let's pull up the two, and then we'll pull up my photos from when I was young or whatever.
06:07:02.860
So I'm pretty sure there's, like, transition photos of women from, like, 20, 30, 40, 50.
06:07:16.740
While you guys are waiting, if you can, go to twitch.tv slash whatever and drop us a follow.
06:07:24.660
I think there's another one, too, but we'll stay with this one.
06:07:34.740
So, I mean, I'm assuming this has been, like, computer altered, and it's not actually, like.
06:07:41.540
It is interesting, though, that, I don't know, I thought I'd pull that up.
06:07:59.940
The women in my family, I guess, are a little more.
06:08:10.440
And just to be clear, guys, when I'm talking about Ava, it's not the Ava who's been sitting here.
06:09:07.860
It's like, even I was better looking when I was younger.
06:09:15.060
I agree, but I think it's more about, like, the shape.
06:09:18.120
Like, your face, it looks the same, more or less.
06:09:21.780
So, like, if you goof around, do something, like, keep yourself, like, I'm not saying,
06:09:33.320
I feel like in your, like, 20s, 30s, and, like, until, I don't know, 40, your face,
06:09:41.040
it's kind of the same with some differences, but you can still, like, be in shape, I think.
06:10:04.800
Why do men age like wine and women age like milk?
06:10:24.400
I was a bit tilted when you were on the show, so I appreciate the TTS.
06:10:37.340
Well, but Desiree, I don't think you two would ever get along.
06:10:42.420
I did get the feeling from the Dutch Jessica Rabbit that she was somewhat stable and probably
06:10:47.060
would not want to enter into any sort of friendship with an absolute psychopath such as yourself.
06:11:04.340
I think you're self-conscious of your actual weight right now.
06:11:27.400
My face is all red from fucking stress and cortisol.
06:11:32.020
So it's like my taste is lowering maybe as my bags are coming in too.
06:11:56.380
So I was better looking when I was younger because I.
06:12:07.940
Listen, you make me feel more beautiful about myself.
06:12:38.920
Anyways, let's, let's get through some more stuff here.
06:12:59.500
So Andrew's dying to have this back and forth with you, Vivian.
06:13:11.900
Oh, I like the one that was Maddie's friend that pretended not to speak English.
06:13:33.780
I like the one that was Maddie's friend that pretended not to say.
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No, we will not be friends like Andrew is saying.
06:13:54.700
Brian, good tools hang under a canopy, so you are fine.
06:14:02.040
Are you talking about, like, the belly and maybe the tool?
06:14:20.260
Maybe that's from eating all the women on your show.
06:14:35.600
So, okay, Vivian, women's rights being made up.
06:14:38.680
This is a conversation you wanted to have with Andrew.
06:14:43.560
So, me and you, actually, I feel like you defended it well.
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And I just thought that there was, like, something more being implied.
06:14:53.820
So, I just was, like, reading too much into it.
06:15:04.100
You wanted to say men's body count and women's body count don't have different value.
06:15:18.480
Well, I don't remember what I said, to be honest.
06:15:23.480
So, a man that has a body count of 300 is not morally better than a woman who has a body count of 300.
06:15:32.740
Not to say that they're impacted differently by bodies.
06:15:38.340
Andrew, any thoughts on the moral component of this?
06:15:47.220
When you say moral, what does that mean to you?
06:15:59.580
The moral badness, the metric for you to say it's bad or good.
06:16:15.200
So, it's the same question as what does moral mean to you, but what does bad mean?
06:16:20.920
I have different things that I find bad and good.
06:16:37.920
So, if the idea here is that the impact, and the impact being, like, the outcome is negative, right?
06:16:46.380
It's how much it, like, damages another person.
06:16:49.300
Okay, well, then all you need to do is demonstrate why it is that male promiscuity, which women don't seem to care about, is bad for men, whereas female promiscuity, which men do seem to care about, isn't bad for women.
06:17:18.780
So, the outcome bad, outcome bad, therefore bad?
06:17:24.980
Because of your gender, you're sleeping with the same amount of people, it's the same amount of...
06:17:32.720
I get all that, that you're sleeping with the same amount of people, so it's not fair, I understand that.
06:17:37.760
But when I asked you what is bad, you said, if the outcome is negative, that's a bad thing.
06:17:48.780
Okay, so if we're going off of the outcome is bad, all I need you to do is explain to me why it is that when men sleep with a lot of women, women don't care.
06:17:59.560
But when women sleep with a lot of men, men care.
06:18:05.760
So, if we're going off of outcomes, it seems like if that is the case, that women sleeping with a lot of men is bad, and men sleeping with a lot of women is not bad because the outcome, right?
06:18:27.340
Do you think that women care more about men sleeping with a lot of women, or what?
06:18:34.740
So, from your view, man sleeps with 20 women, do you think that women see that as the same as if a woman sleeps with 20 men to a man?
06:18:46.300
I think that men, society does not judge men as much, or men don't judge other men as much, but I think men have an animosity towards women with high body counts.
06:19:07.680
They have a negative preference, they don't, they tend to...
06:19:12.180
So, men have a negative preference towards women with a high body count, but women don't have a negative preference towards men with a high body count.
06:19:20.340
So, it seems like the outcome, then, would be bad for women to have a high body count, but not bad for men to have a high body count.
06:19:27.260
So, therefore, by your preferences, it would be immoral for women to have a high body count, but not for men.
06:19:37.680
So, the act itself of a woman sleeping with 300 people versus a man sleeping with 300 people is morally equal.
06:19:51.980
Yeah, you just keep saying that, but when I ask you what moral is, you say it's an outcome which is negative, or that's what immoral is, that's what bad is.
06:20:02.360
But if a man sleeps with 300 women, and women don't care, how's that a negative outcome?
06:20:08.800
Just because men judge women more for that particular thing doesn't mean it's morally bad at the action.
06:20:18.820
Because if, because it's the same if a man is to sleep with 300 women, and, or if a woman is to sleep with 300 men, or, you know, bodies, I think that the action in of itself, it should be judged the same.
06:20:36.880
It's not, but just because it's judged the same doesn't mean it's worse.
06:20:44.460
What is immoral, and is bad, is outcome bad, right?
06:20:51.700
The, the direct outcome of the, the direct impact, so.
06:21:05.820
So, so if a man sleeps with 300 women, but no women care, how could that possibly be bad?
06:21:14.060
I'm not even saying that sleeping with people is bad inherently.
06:21:21.080
I'm saying, I think they should be judged equally for it.
06:21:27.800
Do you realize that if you say, if you say, thing is bad because outcome, bad, but the outcome is not bad, then how can you say it's immoral?
06:21:40.060
I think, I think what you're saying is because men, because there's more of a repercussion for women socially, it's, it's, it affects women more, but that's not the direct, that's a secondary reaction to the act.
06:22:00.840
It's just that men happen to have a preference.
06:22:06.520
So if you're, you're on an island with, um, let's say it's one man and 20 women and he sleeps with all of the women and all of the women want to sleep with him and he wants to sleep with all of them.
06:22:19.620
And all of the women think he's great and he thinks all of them are great.
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Has any bad action or immoral action taken place here?
06:22:29.900
Now, let us assume for a second that there's one woman and 20 men and the more men she sleeps with, the more other men rebuff her and say she's bad.
06:22:45.500
Well, then I don't know what you mean by bad then.
06:22:50.720
If the outcome, if the outcome for the person is bad, but that's still not bad, right?
06:22:56.200
Or it's negative and it's still not bad, then I don't know what bad means.
06:23:03.260
So if, if by society, me wearing blue was considered bad, wearing blue isn't inherently bad, but it's considered bad.
06:23:15.240
I think, yeah, I, I actually have a moral code.
06:23:19.420
So tell me what's, what, give me a single thing that's inherently bad.
06:23:25.300
So if I, if I deem something in, in just, it's, it's subjective.
06:23:31.680
Wait, so you're, you're the moral arbiter of all that is bad?
06:23:37.420
So you're the moral arbiter of all that is bad?
06:23:46.420
So then that would mean that you're the arbiter of all that is bad, right?
06:23:54.060
I don't, I don't know that there's an arbiter of all that is bad.
06:24:00.000
If you just say everything that's bad is everything that doesn't.
06:24:25.240
Do you just judge bad by what goes against your preferences?
06:24:33.380
Okay, and so the code that you live by is appealing to who for what is bad or what?
06:24:43.140
I try and say, if I wouldn't want this happening to me, then I probably shouldn't do it.
06:24:57.480
And so if something doesn't align with those preferences, it's bad, right?
06:25:00.580
No, I'm saying if, no, actually I'm saying if it affects someone.
06:25:15.300
Well, she can have her preference, her opinion.
06:25:18.340
Yes, what makes you right and her wrong, though?
06:25:25.560
Yeah, if you're going to try and, that's how you prove things.
06:25:30.380
So let's say Desiree says, sleeping with a corpse is okay.
06:25:37.500
Well, if I say, if you were a corpse, well, if I say, I think, I think, like, we can all
06:25:44.620
agree that, that if we were corpses, we would not want people disrespecting.
06:25:50.120
Wait, so we, we appeal to we all for what is moral?
06:25:52.940
So if we all say it's okay to, like, beat a person to death, that's now moral?
06:25:58.100
If we all say it's okay to beat a person to death and that's moral then?
06:26:01.160
Well, we make up what is moral and what is not moral, just like rights.
06:26:07.980
So if we make up what is moral and Desiree says, X thing is moral, how could you ever
06:26:14.120
You argue it like we're doing right now with...
06:26:16.800
Why, why, even if you were right, would that make what she's saying immoral?
06:26:23.020
It was, even, even if she was, so let's say, through argumentation, you were able to come
06:26:29.720
to the conclusion that this thing over here, I have an inconsistent take with it, that still
06:26:43.380
That if it's self-contradicting, isn't that a...
06:26:51.180
Well, logic inconsistent is not a contradiction, so, so here, let me, like, let me help you
06:26:56.560
Somebody goes up, and they grab a raccoon, a dead raccoon, off the road, and they have
06:27:04.220
Other than, other than, because I don't like it.
06:27:34.980
Because we deemed it as wrong, and we have reasons that we deem it as wrong.
06:27:51.020
Why do you think it's wrong for him to do that?
06:28:03.140
So if I was a dead corpse, I would not want to be...
06:28:13.460
Why should we give to your preference for what you would want?
06:28:19.780
Because if we all treat each other how we want to be treated...
06:28:38.240
Wait, so as long as we all agree on something, it's moral?
06:28:43.520
It's a word to describe if we think it's bad or good.
06:28:56.700
If most of us think a thing is moral, it is moral?
06:29:21.560
I don't feel like we're getting any closer to what is moral.
06:29:32.700
Okay, so if it's just based on consensus, then the Aztec Empire, the consensus was it was
06:29:37.700
okay to take a person on top of a pyramid, cut their chest open, pull their heart out,
06:30:07.540
Why do you say it wasn't moral for them to do that?
06:30:25.980
Okay, so morality is conscious brains making judgments.
06:30:29.260
So if all the conscious brains make the judgment that sacrificing a person on top of a pyramid
06:30:33.200
and cutting their heart out and sacrificing it raw is okay, then it's okay, right?
06:30:39.380
Well, I don't think anything is inherently bad or good.
06:30:48.180
To take a guy up on top of a pyramid, cut their fucking heart out, and sacrifice it to the sun god, that's okay, right?
06:30:56.680
I would say they had flawed logic, and they were probably following religious belief.
06:31:07.560
Well, I'm going based off of treat others how you would want to be treated, which I think is a good moral code.
06:31:14.780
They want to have their heart cut out and given to the sun god.
06:31:27.800
So, what is actually wrong if the guy says, cut my heart out, and they all cut his heart out?
06:31:36.180
I'm not going to honestly say that you're a bad person if you commit suicide.
06:31:44.440
Now, let's say he's the one guy on planet Earth, one guy who doesn't want his heart cut out,
06:32:05.140
Like, give a shit about anything you say when you say to me, there's no objective morality,
06:32:10.960
there's no objective judgment, there's no objective...
06:32:23.240
So, it's not even objective then either, right?
06:32:25.160
So, if morality is just this subjective trite, and you can just come up with whatever the
06:32:30.340
fuck you want, and it's just all based on consensus, then if the consensus says that
06:32:35.200
men can fuck as many women as they want, and women can't fuck as many men as they want,
06:32:40.100
how can you give me a single objection to that?
06:32:42.080
Uh, if it's, it may be considered, I can disagree with it personally.
06:32:49.840
I can say I have a different logic that I follow, so people have different...
06:32:53.960
Great, give me the logic that you follow that if the consensus says it's perfectly acceptable
06:32:59.220
for men to fuck 500 women, and it's not even acceptable for women to fuck one woman, give
06:33:05.960
me the logic that shows that that would be wrong in some way.
06:33:16.340
Well, I think, I think people should be treated equally to the best, you know.
06:33:24.220
Because I would, I, I think that's what's in the best interest for the world.
06:33:29.300
So, you are the ultimate arbiter of morality, right?
06:33:34.280
Yeah, so you're, so you, you personally are the ultimate arbiter of morality.
06:33:46.320
Right, so you, so wait, so if all of society said if men fuck 500 women, that's fine, but
06:33:57.040
You would dissent and disagree and say all of them were doing something immoral, right?
06:34:07.280
So then who is the ultimate arbiter of morality?
06:34:16.740
If all other human beings disagree with your logic, and you said logic is how you come
06:34:21.740
to this, right, you say, okay, all of you are wrong.
06:34:25.720
So I am the ultimate arbiter of what is moral, you're all wrong, and you shouldn't be doing
06:34:32.800
No, I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't deem, I would make an argument, I wouldn't deem, I wouldn't
06:34:37.720
say you're wrong no matter what, I have an open mind.
06:34:39.880
Yeah, if you listen to your argument and they say, fuck off, we're going to do it anyway.
06:34:42.160
If they, if, let me, let me, if they made a, if they made a argument that I, that I was
06:34:47.360
like, you know what, yeah, you're right, then I would change my mind.
06:34:50.760
But you say, no, you're not right, all of you are wrong, I still am going to go with
06:34:56.020
I haven't heard a good argument, I haven't heard a good argument for it.
06:34:58.320
Yeah, all of your, I just want to let you, so that you understand, all of your morality,
06:35:04.020
everything that you're considering moral right now is just coming from preferences.
06:35:07.460
You're just saying my, it doesn't align with my preferences, if it doesn't align with
06:35:12.940
You keep on saying things like, well, you would have to logically convince me, but why
06:35:33.900
No, like, you try and prove things by measuring, by, by measurements, like saying, you are not
06:35:42.560
Deduction, like, you use deduction and all these, like, it's a math.
06:35:45.680
Things that you can measure is how you prove them.
06:35:50.780
That would be induction, but how do you measure, how do you measure logic?
06:36:02.460
Well, we, we say that tall, it means you are, you know, you stand physically higher, so if, if you were to measure and someone has a lower, a lower height, then you can say, with your logic, because you measured them, that they are shorter than the other person.
06:36:39.240
It, okay, tell me, what's objective about an inch?
06:36:42.260
Taller and shorter is an objective measurement of size.
06:36:48.400
Okay, give me the exact measurement, then, for tall.
06:37:01.560
Oh, if it's, if it's, if it's the length, the, the, if you measure something of its height.
06:37:07.540
Yeah, what is the logically objective measurement for tall?
06:37:16.120
Relative to, you guys have three minutes on this and then I got to move it on.
06:37:20.620
But what is the logically objective metric for tall again?
06:37:42.580
So then how is tall, how is tall a logical objective metric then if there's no baseline
06:37:51.500
It's a, tall is a, you can use it as an adjective or you can say this is taller than this.
06:37:57.980
Like my house is not taller than the other power.
06:38:00.120
I understand taller than, meaning this thing bigger than this.
06:38:05.380
I got that, but you said there's an objective measurement for what is tall.
06:38:23.100
It's a descriptor, so there is no baseline for tall.
06:38:27.220
If, if it's an adjective and you're describing it.
06:38:37.800
Everything is subjective in your worldview, right?
06:38:50.500
Is it immoral for women to discriminate against short men?
06:38:54.140
Men, is it immoral for men to discriminate against fat women?
06:38:58.920
Before you get to this, I just want to wrap this up real quick.
06:39:01.180
I just want to make sure that I got this right.
06:39:03.980
That you are not the ultimate arbiter of what is moral.
06:39:11.600
I don't believe that there is an arbiter of moral.
06:39:18.520
Well, if people decide it individually, then each individual is the arbiter of what is moral.
06:39:24.720
Well, then you, the individual, would be the arbiter of all that is moral.
06:39:30.400
Well, then, and if anything goes against your morality, it's immoral, right?
06:39:39.300
Then that would be you being the ultimate arbiter of what is moral.
06:39:45.340
And who else is the ultimate arbiter of what is moral except you?
06:39:48.500
I've said many times there's no arbiter of moral.
06:39:51.420
Yeah, you keep saying that, but it makes no sense because then when I question that, you say, no, anything that doesn't align with my preferences is immoral.
06:40:00.880
So if that's the case, who else but you could be the arbiter of what is moral?
06:40:08.720
You, you, you, that's just gobbledygook, right?
06:40:20.820
Everything is subject to, if this does not align with my preferences, it's wrong.
06:40:25.900
Who else but you could be the arbiter of what is moral?
06:40:36.640
It's every person has morality or maybe they don't lack a...
06:40:42.120
One person could be the arbiter of your morality.
06:40:48.000
And if all things which disagree with your morality are immoral, then you would be the ultimate arbiter, right?
06:41:10.220
Do you go off of Fred's morality or do you go off of your morality?
06:41:17.780
I need a final closing statement from both of you.
06:41:20.220
Do you go off of your morality or do you go off of Fred's morality?
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So, if you go off of yours and anybody who disagrees with yours is wrong and immoral, who the fuck
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My morality is actually fluid and I can decide, I can decide, yeah, I can, I can, I can evaluate
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I can like milk one day and I can not like milk another day.
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Apart from sex happening with only one person, it does not change the fact that you had sex
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Thank you, Tamara, Tamara, Tamara, Tamara, Tamara, Tamara.
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Like, tell me you have a body count of 100 so that I don't date you.
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Would you date a man who previously slept with men?
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No, okay, but I'm talking about, like, the body count.
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Desiree, how can you justify your promiscuity when the three men that are on your postings all have wedding rings?
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The only married guy I have on there was the guy that I was, like, in an open relationship with.
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Well, actually, I did make content with a married couple, so they would have rings.
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I know you might think that it's immoral to leave your kids downstairs, but you should just be morally fluid.
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Because, obviously, I'm the arbiter of all things moral.
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Like, what does it add to your thinking about a person?
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I would be more attracted to her if it was lower.
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And I'd be less attracted to her if it was higher.
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So, it's so, like, for me, like, you go through a lot of phases in your life, I think.
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So, like, there's a phase where you're, like, more going around, looking up or whatever.
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Or there's a phase where you don't want to do it.
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Like, I feel like it doesn't add anything to the relation.
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What do you mean it doesn't add anything to the relationship?
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Like, if I, if I meet you and I know that thing, it doesn't add anything.
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Well, are you saying that you are who you are and, like, if you meet this individual,
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whether they have a body count of five or of 50, it doesn't actually, I mean, they are
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It's not going to change who they are as a person.
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Well, I'll explore that and we'll have the back and forth.
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But, so, if a guy told you that he had slept with, well, let's get a split going on this,
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So, if a guy told you that he had slept with a thousand women before you, not a problem
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I mean, you're, you're extremely, you're putting in the.
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I mean, I'm not talking about the extreme numbers.
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But if it doesn't matter at all, then wouldn't it also not matter if it's a hundred?
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No, because I think it's, like, a private thing.
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I, it doesn't, like, it's not conversation, like, an important conversation.
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But you do kind of care about it because when I give you the extreme example, you do kind
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So a thousand body count for the guy, don't care?
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So here, let me frame it, frame the question differently.
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You find out the guy you're interested in has slept with three other women that week.
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Like, if I want to stay with him or if I want to just hook up with him.
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If I'm using him, if I'm using him, I don't even.
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Because, I mean, even if you, I feel like in both, even if you just wanted to fuck once
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Both of these are kind of terrible because this man.
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Like, if you hook up with someone, you don't know what he's.
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But so, let's assume, ignoring this component of, well, they could lie.
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Let's assume that they're forthcoming and then tell you the truth.
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Would you feel comfortable sleeping with a man?
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That's how men feel in general about woman's promiscuity.
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Because I had, like, with my ex-sex boyfriend, we talked about that.
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And he got, like, all the relationship was about that thing.
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And it was like, that's just, like, an ego thing.
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If you stay with someone, like, with a girl that.
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Brian, you are forgetting that a man who has slept with three other women this same week makes him more desirable to women.
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Go back to the bi analogy because that gives her the ick.
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That is a fair point because there is a differential here between men and women.
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So, like, a man who's capable of sleeping with a lot of women, even if you as a woman have, like, an adversity to promiscuity in men, like, you will at least acknowledge that men who are capable of sleeping with a lot of women, they typically are going to be more attractive.
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Whereas women, that doesn't make you more attractive, your ability to, like, sleep with a lot of dudes.
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Wait, you don't think so, as in you agree or you disagree?
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Wait, so do you think that it's just as easy for men and women to get sex?
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But I don't think that you get some points because you hook up with.
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Well, the difference is, is, like, for example, so let's say if guys were looking at an attractive girl, but she, they knew that she had just slept with, like, three men.
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Like, most men are going to be really turned off by that.
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Sure, but it's, there's a bit of a difference here.
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I think women care far less than men do when it comes to body count.
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And you said you don't care, but you dated a guy who did care.
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No, it should be, like, something that it's not on, like, different levels when you talk, when you say a man.
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Oh, I mean, I'm not saying that male promiscuity is good.
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Like, women don't seem to care that much about it.
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I think it depends because I met, I met guys that doesn't care, that don't care.
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Truthfully, though, I mean, if a guy does care, and he's asking you about it.
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So, the point I was trying to make here is that if a guy does ask you this question, it's actually kind of a green flag because he's vetting you for long-term commitment.
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So, if a guy just wants to fuck you, if a guy just wants to fuck you, most guys won't care.
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I've been in a relationship without this question.
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I've never known it to matter to a relationship.
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You said, getting back to your original point, though, you said the past doesn't matter.
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Like, why would you not date a guy who experimented with men?
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Because if it's everything, the past doesn't matter.
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But I'm trying to give you, so the reason I'm bringing up the, like, bisexual example is the way you might feel about, like, a guy who previously slept with men and, like, how it makes you feel.
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That's the way men feel when it comes to female promiscuity.
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I don't think that represents every man, though, because there's plenty of men that don't.
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Well, anyway, I honestly don't think in general guys care.
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I think you have, like, a niched opinion and you have followers that follow your opinion, but there's a whole other world out there.
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No, I'm prepared to say the majority of men care.
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There's enough men who don't care because they're desperate for pussy.
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Like, the people with a little bit of insecurities, they ask you how many guys, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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It's insecure because it's like, oh, no, man, I'm going with a slut.
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If you're mature enough to know that you had a life before with some guys.
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Do you think you, if you had a man, you'd want him to be a mature man, right?
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Do you think that mature people set boundaries?
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And so do you think responsible people set boundaries?
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So if a responsible and mature man sets a boundary, and the boundary is he doesn't want a woman
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who has more than X amount of sex partners, how could he be insecure?
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Well, how could that be insecurity if that's what your expectation is, is that he has boundaries?
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No, I was such a couple of decades ago perspective, to be honest.
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I mean, I think to me, I've had men ask me more like how many dads of my kids I have and
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To me, the modern man cares more about like, what baggage do you have in your life that's
06:55:13.640
And the more men you've slept with, the more baggage you tend to have.
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Not necessarily, because, I mean, you don't necessarily take baggage with you from every
06:55:22.560
You have a lot of experiences that are very positive, it was fun, it was what it was.
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Desiree, how could it be insecure, though, to set boundaries?
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I was simply making the point that not every man cares.
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If you don't want to stay with someone, I mean.
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I don't want to date a woman who's promiscuous or who has a promiscuous past.
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Is it for how she was maybe raised in a different culture than you?
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Women reject men all the time for a wide variety of reasons.
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But I'm just saying, not every man is like you.
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A lot of men take the context of a woman's life into consideration.
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You don't want to date a guy because of his height, because of his money, because of X, Y, Z.
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But all of a sudden, when men say, I don't want to date a woman because of this.
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I'm not a person like that, but there are some people like that.
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So I would prioritize trying to date a woman with a lower body count.
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Over 20, that's, like, major red flag territory.
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I would say over 30 is certainly a deal breaker.
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Is it based on yours or is it based, like, in general?
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I actually don't think there, if a man has a high body count, I don't think there's actually
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anything wrong with him wanting a woman with a low body count or even a virgin.
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Even if the guy has a big body count, no problem at all with him realizing.
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But, like, in, like, the country, I would say, like, the reverse.
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Well, here I can, yeah, I can actually explain this concept to you, right?
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Do you think that men generally like women who are shorter than them?
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Well, I don't understand why you accept that double standard.
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If a man is tall and he prefers a short woman, a woman is short and prefers a tall man, right?
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They have totally different preferences here, but that's somehow okay.
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But, if a man has a large body count, but prefers a woman with a lower body count, why is that suddenly wrong?
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I said that I, like, there are people that don't care, people that care, and I don't think it's that important for me.
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If you ask Brian, if you ask Brian, you seem like you were skeptical.
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Like, let's say Brian slept with 500 women, right?
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And he wanted a woman who had slept with no women.
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No, it's not a problem, but I think it's a little bit like...
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I think it's hypocritical for you to want to date a taller man.
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Then it's hypocritical for you to want to date someone taller than you.
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So in order for you to want to be with someone, do you need to be exactly the same?
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But I'm saying that if you sleep with 500 girls or whatever, and you want the one that
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You and all the Muslims or what's the guys that...
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Isn't there, like, a religion that they have all their lives?
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You know when you say, like, I treat you well, I want you to treat me well.
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If you want, like, I treat you well in a relationship, so I want you to treat me well, too.
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So, like, you know that, I don't know, we say this thing, like, you do some...
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I mean, I think in these lines, like, in this phrase, so...
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But then it's up to you, like, you can keep, like, pretending whatever.
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You're saying you should treat people how you want to be treated, right?
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Would you agree with me that more women will allow themselves to be anally penetrated than men?
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Where I'm going with this, what I'm trying to kind of get you to intersect with is, if
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you were with a man who wanted to do that with you, but did not want you to do that with
07:02:48.400
Here we're finding, like, the only thing that one...
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I have the right to say no, but you're not supposed to.
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Do you think, for example, is a woman wrong if she's poor, but she's attracted to rich men?
07:03:18.920
No, but it should be, like, the same on the other side.
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Like, if a girl that's poor, she's attracted from a rich guy or a poor guy, it's attracted
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But she does not possess the trait in which she desires in a partner.
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You can, like, I think that you can do whatever you want.
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Like, you can desire a girl that doesn't hook up with anyone, like a virgin, but...
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Okay, you're saying wrong for man with high body count to want a virgin, right?
07:04:17.780
So, okay, then it's hypocritical for a poor woman to be attracted...
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Okay, so, but it's not hypocritical for men who have 500 body counts to be attracted to
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So, do people typically want what they're attracted to?
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Maybe just me, but I don't choose who, like, I got, like, the click.
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So, like, if I fell in love with someone, it's not because he has everything that I want.
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I'm not going to even use the term attracted then.
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So, okay, men who have a high body count, they want a woman with a low body count or
07:05:35.960
So, then it's hypocritical for women who are poor to want to date rich men.
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If she wants to date only this kind of man, yes, I think so.
07:05:48.920
Well, I feel like Brian didn't reveal his ultimate argument, but I remember all of Brian's
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arguments, and this one's a good one, so I'm going to use it real quick.
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Would you date a man ever in your life who had been with two women at once?
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Would you date a man in your life who had been with multiple men?
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What kind of fucking hypocrite, you hypocrite, unbelievable hypocrisy, wait a second, wait
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Doesn't hypocrite mean that you hold two different standards, one for you?
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A hypocrite is you hold a standard for you, right?
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Or you hold a separate standard for yourself that you hold for other people.
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So in this particular case, right, if it's a same-sex relationship, why is that okay
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I thought that you said, like, to date a guy that was with multiple guys.
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Yeah, no, but because I'm straight, and I want to date someone straight.
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If he's with multiple women, why is that a problem?
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Would you ever engage in same-sex activity with a guy?
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Would you ever engage in a threesome with a guy where you were with another chick for
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But wait, you would not accept that from a guy.
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If you won't date a girl because she's fat, it's body shaming.
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This woman have no problem calling a guy working on fries at McDonald's a loser.
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If you would be willing to engage with a woman, you would be.
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But you're not willing to engage with a man who's been with a man, how are you not a hypocrite?
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So you would be with a man who's fucked other men?
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You would be with a man who's fucked other men?
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No, but if you fucked other women, would you expect a man to be with you?
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What's everybody's body count starting with Desiree?
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So your non-accountability body count is eight.
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And then I remember I was that whole stent of religious after my childhood trauma.
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Haven't you had sex with like three men on your OF?
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Multiply it by three and that's the real number.
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Before that, I did like a long stent of celibacy when I was super religious.
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Well, I lost my virginity very young with my dad's.
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Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
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Okay, well, let me ask you, Jade, a quick follow-up.
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Let us assume for a second that it wasn't just two, right?
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I arrived here in the United States since three days.
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I don't even know, like, where is going this, where I'm going, like, on...
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Hey, Brian, that scanner's going fucking crazy, bro.
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My scouter is detecting that some of you are not being forthcoming on the body count question.
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And this scouter, that shit, like, this is some fucking next science, technology.
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And they have some of the most brilliant scientists in the world, including Kakarot's father, is what I'm told.
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Look, you know, look, I'm not going to press it, but I think some of you guys are not being, you know, totally honest.
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I'll give you, like, a list of 10 examples where it's like women want things in men that they don't possess, right?
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They want traditional men, but they're not traditional.
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They want charismatic men, yet they are not charismatic.
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They want chivalry, but they're not chivalrous.
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They want exciting men, but they're not exciting.
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They want dominant men, but they're not dominant.
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They want men to take initiative, but they don't take initiative.
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They want men to chase them, but they don't chase.
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They want men to ask them on dates and pay for them, but they don't do the same.
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They want confident men, but they're not confident themselves.
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Single mothers who don't want to date single fathers.
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It seems like women want to ignore all the double standards and unfairness that benefit them.
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But when there's a double standard or unfairness that benefits men, really only a very small percentage of men.
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Because most men don't have access to hookup culture.
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You're coming off with something that doesn't...
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What I'm saying to you is that the idea here is...
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Is that the endless amount of double standards goes on and on and on and on, and I think that
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I think it's fine for women to have different standards than men.
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But when women say there's a double standard and then pretend like there's not two different
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Of course, there are, like, different things that people...
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Like, a man wants different things from a woman and...
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Like, I would never pretend something from the other person that I don't do.
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So when you say, I don't expect that a man, for me, would ever have to do a thing that
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I mean, I'm talking about the way, like, you are in the relationship.
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Like, I'm the charismatic, the whatever it was.
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But in your point, if you're coming up with your point, you're right.
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So do you expect the man to have children in the relationship?
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So the thing is, like, you wouldn't have that expectation, right?
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So within the relationship itself, there's going to be different standards just based on that,
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There's going to be different standards just based on the nature.
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Even the idea of expectation when it comes to the relationship standard is going to be
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Like, no matter what, it's going to be different.
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It could be that I want something from you that you don't want from me.
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So I just want to make sure, from your view, inside of the relationship, absent any sort
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of, like, physical necessities, like having children, or you're a woman, he's a man, inside
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of the actual relationship, you don't want there to be anything that's unequally yoked.
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You'll never expect a man to work if you won't work.
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No, no, I think that there is always, like, even a balance.
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So if I put something in the relationship, it could be that you put something else.
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But for the basics, like the care, the importance, or, like, the...
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I think that there are some things that you should put the two of you in the relationship.
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And then there are others that could be, like, that I'm funnier, and you're, like, I don't
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If inside the relationship you want it to be kind of, like, equal, that's what you're saying,
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Like, the middle of the night, it's the middle of the night, and you're sleeping with the
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man of your dreams in the bed, and the window breaks, and you see on the camera that there
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I don't know about all this equal shit, you know?
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The last thing on that, though, it seems like, last thing, because I forgot to mention
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this in my whole long list, a lot of women want funny guys, but they're not funny.
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Like, so there's kind of a double standard there.
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It's roasting time, and that spit has never looked hotter.
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We're going to wrap the show up here pretty soon.
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You guys got to roast me so I can lose some weight.
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Maybe a nice comment to Anissa here, because this is actually Madison's sister, and she's
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She's done a great job tonight helping out with the show.
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Guys, let's get some W's in the chat for our new team member.
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I'm going to change the TTS voice to the Italian guy.
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Mommy Jim, Giamondus, call you, who donated $30.
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When Daddy Andrew goes after Brixen's fat, sweaty, fun bags, his mommy milk has squirt like
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no it's like a troll page but does anybody actually like fall for it and think there's
07:23:26.580
something there because i've been tempted to subscribe because i'm just curious if you had
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anything you just have it it's just onlyfans.com there's like no pictures there's just nothing
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there wait you you gotta cut you gotta wait for this part actually go ahead you guys just getting
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some water okay okay is your is your merch for sale in there wait so we're gonna pull up guys
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we're gonna pull up the desiree photo or whatever like the sketch the soulmate photo soulmate photo
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guys i it's i got this soulmate photo sketch from a freaking psychic it was embarrassing it was
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before like a couple weeks before i actually came here for the first time bruh that's crazy dude that's
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kind of like and then i came on here and made some sort of weird baby girl trauma bond with him i
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don't know what the fuck that's me that's scary that's weird i'm just thinking okay maybe it's
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like a business partnership thing maybe it's not necessarily meaning it's like a romantic thing
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but uh i mean i don't know i didn't believe in this sort of thing i i got a soulmate sketch
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actually from a psychic and it was a brunette dark-eyed black woman so it couldn't it could
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definitely couldn't be you okay because she's black and had dark hair and black eyes but i don't
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really and it also was black right and also it's actually black not fake black i'm i'm a i'm an
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also please never bring the city back ruins it every time oh i'm gonna trigger the
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was that an italian what was that i'm gonna i'm gonna replay this one
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now that's that's uh georgio we're gonna change it to adriano it's now adriano if anybody wants to
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send something in italian uh let's see what other thing do i have to go over i think i need to go
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over while it's tilted tonight kind of uh i i think it's worth mentioning uh yeah
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um i'll probably get interrupted uh so those of you in the chat do you guys know who josie is
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i'm just gonna bring it up just because yeah man they kind of fuck shit up vector donated 30
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dollars this beauty comes out when she is mid-mannered however when she starts objectifying
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herself i can see gorlok the destroyer within that gives me i love that girl my son actually i want to
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hear the story my son knows about this show because of gorlok and he thought i was cool because he
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showed me gorlok and i was like son that's the podcast that i go on and he was like he had this
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moment of horror on his face that he was like oh shit my mother is a big deal
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i think he just thought i was like i don't know just frolicking around at the mall or something when
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i was like i'm going to this podcast yeah uh so chad you guys know this girl josie
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you guys know josie um really didn't want to have to talk about this uh but so she's been on the
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show twice i think she was last on over a year ago and she's been asking and asking and asking
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she's active in the discord um asking to come back on the show and i told her you can come back on
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if you bring a girl with you who would be good on the show and she finds a girl but
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apparently this girl was not responding to her but she does not let me know this until like
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1 p.m today and our meet time was 4 p.m so actually desirate you're not scheduled to be on the show but
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because of josie i was kind of kind of you're desperate don't say that i was like trying to
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find replacements right because the deal with josie was you can come back on the show if you
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bring another girl with you this girl no shows was that tarzana girl was that no it was a different
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girl so this other girl she just is no showing flaking whatever it happens in addition to this
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i don't know she's having issues with her ride so she says i'm gonna be late she says she's gonna
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be 30 minutes late my understanding i could be wrong this is not the most important piece of
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information with the story is uh i think she ends up being an hour late so she begging i i don't want to
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when was this this was she asked she's asked me half a dozen times if she could come back on the
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show i finally said okay you bring a girl with you you can come back on the show and then she's i
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believe she ended up being an hour late right when was this today so she was here i but i told her i
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was like you're gonna be late and you're not bringing the girl who you said you're gonna bring
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so i told her i was like just don't come she shows up anyways even though i tell her not to
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she brings a mail with her and then they start essentially doxing the studio what does that
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mean oh my god so they she she's like taking photos and videos just don't nobody say no no no no hold
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on hold on don't say anything so she doxes the studio even though it's her fault she didn't get a
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spot on the show because she was an hour late she said she was gonna be 30 minutes late i told her to
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just not come yeah she promised to bring another girl with her she that didn't work trolling right
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that's like false pretense or whatever and so they're fucking posting videos fucking irl streaming
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outside of our fucking studio i don't know how fucking brain dead you have to be to like
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not realize we keep the shit private and so she's fucking doxing us essentially
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so yeah that's why i was freaking out like she's fucking doing all this extra shit i told her to
07:30:14.980
not show up to the fucking studio she doesn't show up with the dude she shows up in that she she doesn't
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show up with the girl she shows up with the dude she's an hour late she starts fucking doing content
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outside the fucking studio and it's like how is this and i told her not to fucking come stay in
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your fucking wherever you're from in la it's so fucking ridiculous that i'm dealing with this shit
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so i don't know anyways um we feel for you brian that does suck bro and she's she should know better
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she should fucking know i was not aware of any of this yep and uh brian goes through a lot for this
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platform that's why i have respect for you because it's crazy i can't imagine dealing like actually
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i couldn't handle beauty school i could not handle beauty toaster brain level fucking 18 year old
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girls like if she's a supporter of the show fucking listen to me stay your ass at fucking home don't
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drive over and cause more it's already a fucking like issue doing the show as is without added extra
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drama and she shows up on it essentially disinvited uninvited and now you're never going to have her
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on again right if she could know and she could have rescheduled she could have rescheduled and
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peacefully come on another time with another girl actually fucking i like there's stuff that gets me
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frustrated but like i'm already get tilted enough as it is just doing the show trying to like have the
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conversations and like for her to fucking show up it's the most oh my god dude i have no fucking
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words as somebody who does content how are you gonna fucking show up to where somebody is and
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fucking live stream your shit right outside and say that oh i'm we're 100 feet away fucking toaster
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brain dumb fucking shit where is she where is she showing so fucking dumb she's out of the is she
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showing it on her anyways i didn't want to fucking say anything but it's like god damn bro like
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actually doxing our shit man so sorry i thought it was a good show i think we did good so i think i guess
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um haters gonna hate haters gonna hate anyways i'll let the chats come through but
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leper king griper donated 29 and 99 cents your worldview is treat others how they want to be
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treated but won't date short guys do you think they want to be dated or is your arbiter fluid
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running so low you can't be honest to italian scott donated 30 dollars if desiree's body count is
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eight to ten i nailed megan fox in her prime oh my god i think that's my first boyfriend
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cute that's cute uh desiree your pronouns are what the and fuck pronouns pronouns that's like what the
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what's the pronoun thing oh i'm like a she her big sass energy donated 30 dollars can we set a new
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minimum to silence desiree when she is on 100 is a bit too much it should be 20 max
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wait what they don't want to pay so much to have my mic the desiree your pronouns are what the and
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fuck all right thank you appreciate it to tamara tamara tamara the dutch appreciate it thank you
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i don't know i'm not sure what that the pronoun thing though it's like i'm a woman so i'm her or
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she i don't know what the bunch more coming through categories are sorry guys we're a bunch more coming
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through one sec tell me we donated 30 dollars body count matters because the higher your bodies is you
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will be consciously or unconsciously comparing your partner to your body's best qualities which make
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impossible standard for anyone to uphold killer of cereal donated 30 dollars anisa w for holding it
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down desiree you need not wear anything but a toilet seat around your neck for halloween don't take it
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to heart when the children take the last piece of candy run brian daria donated 30 dollars w brickson
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w andrew what a great show yet again no surprise there anyway is anybody up for watching the bow video
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also to the panel would you bow for your man josh donated 30 dollars no desiree your son didn't
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realize you were a big deal he realized his mother was an insane narcissistic strumpet who lacks all reason
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and accountability let's face it he's known for some time too mommy jim jim underscore you who donated
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30 dollars crappyola brixen's fat sweaty mommy milk is malfunctioned they should have squirted like like
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and come back like tsh tsh tsh tsh tsh tsh tsh tsh tsh tsh tsh tsh tsh tsh tsh lol paladins donated 30
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dollars thank you don't worry brian i've had a few failed threesomes before too it's often not worth it
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anyway never count on a girl to bring another girl giovanni jadie donated 30 dollars brian gets
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desperate when a chick bails and dms desiree to come instead how long until that same thought process
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occurs after a couple shots at 3 a.m and his date didn't come home with him he did not solicit me
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old man marine donated 30 dollars anisa eyebrows are 10 10ths sorry morgan diarrhea girl your logic
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is flawed and life starts and conception you're being brainwashed jade be more modest and your
07:36:25.180
dating outcomes might change legendary ego donated 29 dollars and 99 cents desiree did your son see when
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you said that if he and his sister put out the bad energy that you said andrew and brian did you'd
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want them off the planet and when pressed you say dead did he killer of cereal donated 30 dollars
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brian i love you man but i can hear your fat underbelly button area growing from here
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you should do more irls to increase your step count do something quick it's a bit defeating yeah
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it's you did ask for it it's true uh lucy lucy you have that girl i'm gonna see her
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dummy thick donated 69 dollars hey desi how much to see those mommy milkers trying to see that
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body oddy oddy ten dollars wait hold on my subscription i gotta pause this really quick
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wait so so lucy lucy she doesn't not like you they said the girl from fallout is on your show
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people say i look like her oh kind of a little bit ish wait you're seeing lucy tomorrow yeah uh
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doesn't she have covid right uh i'll be wearing a mask and a full hazmat suit so at saturday saturday
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140 p.m she was scheduled to be on with you again today uh hey i'm sorry but just found out i have
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covid and don't think i can make it this is what i deal with every show guys i don't know how you
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freaking do this brian every show oh here's the here's the three i have like two girlfriends because
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i can't handle this shit here's the three i have i'm sick bullshit they're not sick oh i thought you
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said you were no two fan vague they never give details vague family emergency by the way is
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uh is andrew back or do they have kids does she have not yet okay uh or my car broke down
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that's all the excuses bro well i think they get scared brian i think it's she's already been on the
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show well why did she i mean why would you agree lucy's a big l uh that is not true i'm gonna defend
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lucy to my bro she lied she lied about being sick and flaked a day before the show she's trying to
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not hurt your feelings i guess i'd rather honestly i'd rather somebody just say fuck you i don't like
07:38:56.640
your show i'm not coming than just like honesty i prefer honesty huh think of it as that then think
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of it as that then then why did she okay whatever why did she agree to brian's a pretty safe guy to be
07:39:09.040
honest with that's why i like you brian okay be honest he'll just tell you no i hate you or i like
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you hey it's it's a good quality yes because you never have to wonder where you stand what's that
07:39:24.480
song by from eminem oh my god i feel like it's so red-pilled black-pilled fucking doing this shit
07:39:31.100
just like how unreliable people are and they just lie about it jaded do you feel like your
07:39:36.720
criticisms of women has anything to do with what you've experienced from women on this show or is
07:39:43.420
it just from your personal dating life what do you i'm not sure what that even means like do you feel
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like perhaps stressful or negative or toxic experiences from this show like are you gathering
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your data about women from that and your dating life or just purely your personal dating life with
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women you know what i'm saying because like as an influencer i would think that it would be hard
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to delineate the two right it would kind of start blending together you deal with so many women at
07:40:17.960
work is it hard for you to for example if there was a woman out in the world that you liked or you had
07:40:26.840
interest in does your experience at work affect your judgment of that woman like are you coming into it
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kind of with work trauma almost i don't know how to put it but biases i guess what i'm saying um
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because you deal with kind of so many taboo like maybe a little bit maybe a little bit but i feel
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like i was pretty uh from my own dating experiences i was pretty did you date a lot yeah i've dated a lot
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like younger years all the way up until now or was there like a certain season throughout my whole
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life you dated a lot i'm gonna let the rest come through them big sass energy donated 30 dollars
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apologies if 500 is the standard to mute a mic it should be reduced greatly for desiré let's set it
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at 20 think of the revenue you could have her on every episode and make 20 dollars every 10 minutes
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that is true but a thousand dollars is still more than that anisa 10 out 10 10 10 sounds weak
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well guys i have to go oh we're about to finish can you just wait like five minutes we're gonna
07:41:40.400
i promise we'll wrap in like five minutes uh let's see josh donated 30 dollars you know as much
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shit as i give you desiré i'll at least admit you're a good sport you're a horrible person but
07:41:54.060
at least a good sport alpha lucy and alpha viv for making excuses stay dumb jingy yeah thank you
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mommy jim jim underscore you donated 30 dollars desiré how much would pay to like the cheese from
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under bricks and fat canopy is andrew back the trans girl good for you even though that re-injection of
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estra made your brain go standard women over estimating value gmd jim donated 30 dollars
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yeah thank you man men don't want a high body count women like they don't want a plummeting stock
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it is just a bad investment in their future women keep your investment valuable and legs closed
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yo jim thank you for the message man really appreciate it uh i actually do kind of want to
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give a little props to desiré she's a good sport and uh she wasn't as bad still bad no still bad no
07:42:49.880
she was not no she was not as bad i'm trying to evolve i'm trying she was not as bad
07:42:55.120
she still interrupted a fuck ton and was kind of annoying whatever but it was better than last
07:43:01.660
time you did better than last time i'll give you that i'll give you that a little baby stuff
07:43:05.020
is a standard now that oh she just didn't happen to fucking drop her pants to try to show you her
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is that is that our new standard for the conduct on whatever that is the new that you just suck
07:43:15.980
desiré you've always suck you're the worst can't even believe you're on the show everybody here
07:43:21.340
deserves to be here except you wait how did i do it damn brutal that's kind of sudden oh i can't even
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i'm trying to do the innuendo all right guys uh if you want get your last last call on the uh roast
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tts last call guys i'm gonna write last call uh last call guys streamlabs.com slash whatever
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twitch please all right guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever drops to follow and a prime sub
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raid guys drop us a follow on the prime sub classic world of warcraft thank you for the prime man one
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minute ago slaying bodies thank you for the prime energy donated thirty dollars how do i do
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an eight hour show at twenty dollar mutes for ten minutes is a thousand dollars a show
07:44:26.260
desiree can literally print money and she could never talk so she's just on the show every time
07:44:32.920
but she just never talks i just look pretty that's actually kind of cheap can i can i like sit in the
07:44:39.100
middle of the table some of the time i mean i mean i feel like i need to be able to rotate around
07:44:44.340
table might break my back could not are you calling me fat now no i am a size six okay
07:44:51.060
it could break i am trying to support the healthy weight oh she was bad not as bad as her
07:44:58.520
the previous panel appearance so thank you man david tozecciac donated thirty dollars
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saw brian and desiree go to the bathroom at the same time you have to subscribe to see
07:45:11.040
desiree legally change your last name to atlas already welcome mad sister i write it in my diary
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desiree atlas desiree atlas you know i'm trying to manifest it yeah with my um soulmate sketch
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you know what i do want to um i do also desiree astrology desiree brought like goodies i did i
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brought this she brought she brought like stuff in the bathroom like toiletries like you know how
07:45:39.980
you go to a nice club or something and they have a bathroom attendant with stuff tuna well i just
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had it left over the kids didn't like it the kids didn't like it i thought somebody might like it
07:45:50.700
i thought somebody might want it i was supposed to buy the chicken salad kits for my daughter and i
07:45:57.880
accidentally bought tuna and so nobody's eating it and i just thought i would share look this is what
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she brought i mean those were like in the earthquake packs when we were kids remember guys crazy come
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on this is what we're in the fallout nobody packs desiré nobody ate fucking tuna packs when we were
07:46:16.580
kids nobody fucking ate that shit ever listen i have never i've never even seen this fucking snack
07:46:22.840
packs and bologna sandwiches desiré they didn't need fucking tuna i had to always eat meat i have to
07:46:29.580
eat a lot oh it's oh wait hold on i really do my friends know this about me i'm kind of oh it's in
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a can i'm very sensitive i was like what the fuck i have insulin all right here do you want that it's
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true enjoy enjoy the tuna in a can um uh okay let's see uh oh i just wanted to share with we are going
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to uh we pulled up twitch oh really quick can you do uh let's uh we gotta do debate university guys
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guys you gotta go to debate university.com debate university.com you gotta get the course
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it's very handsome verbal combat picture of and verbal combat you want to learn how to become a master
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debater like andrew and um we kind of look alike me and andrew oh please don't maybe you're his long
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last please do not insult andrew okay please do not insult him 2006 were you a milkman by any chance
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is your mom single i mean well wasn't the mom's gonna come on situationship actually oh she would
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be very interesting to have on the show but we should have had her on with you
07:47:38.040
so okay if you want to learn how to think debate and craft arguments you want to learn to be able to
07:47:46.320
debate like andrew wilson you need to get this course verbal combat six hours of instruction 80 plus
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different educational videos you can find it at debate university.com justin martin's donated 30
07:47:59.900
dollars desiree looks like she sounds retarded to say that in this generation are we allowed to say
07:48:06.180
that i'm autistic you guys you can't say that i actually have a neurological about that desiree
07:48:15.180
nobody believes that nobody believes it do you need my like diagnosis you want to go through the
07:48:20.380
hipaa laws let's see uh we're gonna raid who are we gonna raid except everybody tells me i'm mentally
07:48:25.760
ill and then i tell you my diagnosis and you don't believe me so we're going to bring you another
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diagnosis next time uh hey so awesome diagnosis for psychosis i have a diagnosis for alodar
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moderate autism and complex alodar all right guys we're gonna wrap the show here uh it was a long
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show appreciate the panel for making it to the end here uh so uh gg
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well played gg well played hold on well played to the panel last call hit the like button please
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basically desirate everybody except desirate on your way out thank you guys for tuning in tonight
07:49:08.820
just pause the audio if you can i'm not self-diagnosed is it is the mouse okay
07:49:17.800
okay every blank is a self-diagnosed autist probably he he's using the uh redacted word
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why does everybody think i don't have a clinical diagnosis i don't understand okay um so guys you
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could have been anywhere in the world but you're here with me i appreciate that thank you to everyone
07:49:37.620
who super chats donate some supports the show uh your patronage uh means the world guys uh lots of
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uh couldn't do the show without you guys pretty much uh so we're not like getting caller daddy
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07:50:00.060
uh these so not getting sponsorships uh old man marine thank you man blank has definitely made a
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comeback no cares about people saying uh retarded you blank fyi you're mentally ill and have horrible
07:50:14.360
habits you're not autistic you are slur i don't really know what there's a lot of blanks
07:50:23.160
also i don't understand what what diagnosis would be yeah end of the show so uh we will be live again
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tuesday at 5 p.m pacific we have a very good show planned for tuesday any girls who want to be on the
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show dm at whatever on instagram if you can make it to santa barbara uh oh seven's in the chat
07:50:41.640
uh let's see we need to you have can you pull up aladar on the window tab okay uh that should be
07:50:49.620
fine guys we're gonna he's playing world of warcraft you can put put the audio on uh could
07:50:54.600
you x out that celebrate september thing that's down there just hit the x yep okay uh guys who watch
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on twitch drop us a follow before i send you off if you have a father that really really really like
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you can load on the keyboard okay uh guys i'm gonna send a raid to aladar he's playing world of
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warcraft classic he's uh got 45 viewers now so we're gonna send over a nice little raid to him
07:51:21.620
uh thank you guys for watching on twitch i'm gonna send that raid over right now thank you guys
07:51:26.220
that should be heading out in just a sec we're gonna just watch him for just 30 seconds
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and he's playing a shaman lynn i don't play uh really anything you can make it a little louder
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oh who's this somebody rated hey whatever what's up man
07:51:45.760
where is he is he in desolus where is he where is this guy where is that is that desolus i was
07:51:53.920
watching uh i think it's i think your last podcast that i was watching
07:51:58.740
thank you very much dude i'm very much appreciated all right you can you can x out of that you can
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x out welcome everyone all right okay i think that's it are we forgetting anything i don't think
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so was there anything else we had to pull up any no i think we're all good all right guys um
07:52:20.320
oh seven's in the chat i hope you guys have a good night we're gonna send a raid over uh a
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redirect over to andrew wilson's channel uh he's gonna be streaming for a few more minutes uh after
07:52:32.500
we wrap so uh oh seven's in the chat guys i hope you guys have a really good night and uh we will
07:52:37.780
see you on tuesday good night guys oh do you want to hold on i'll press it sorry okay good night guys