She Dated TRISTAN TATE?! 6 Years Celibate?! Men Should Pay For EVERYTHING?! Andrew Wilson! | Dating Talk #193
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7 hours and 21 minutes
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In this episode, we have our first guest on the show, and they are two college students from the Bay Area, Anissa and Faith. We talk about their college life, college life in general, and what it's like to be a college student in the 21st century.
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ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves, so please tell us your name, age,
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location, and occupation. Go ahead. I'm Anissa. I'm 19, and I'm a student at UCSB, and I'm from the
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Bay Area. All right. What are you studying at UCSB? I'm studying biology. Bio. Do you want
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to be a doctor? We'll see, yeah. We'll see. Okay. Still figuring it out? Got it. What about you?
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My name is Tamara, better known as the Dutch Jessica Rabbit. I'm a content creator and a
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student still, and I'm 28 years old from the Netherlands. All right. Welcome back.
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My name is Faith. I'm 21. I'm from the Central Valley, and I'm a student here at UCSB studying
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poli-sci. All right. Political science. Cool. Are you going into your senior year then? Yes.
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Got it. What about you? I'm Jamie. I'm 26, and I'm an accounting student at CSUN, and yeah. All right.
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Welcome. My name is Raina. I'm from Sacramento, and I'm a student at UCSB. What are you studying at
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UCSB? Economics. And age? Oh, I'm 19. Sorry. All good. Economics. What do you want to do with that?
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In hopes of going to law school. Law school. And then what about you? Law school too? Yeah.
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There you go. What kind of law? Do you want to practice? Not too sure yet. Not sure yet? What
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about you? Family law. Family law. Okay. So divorce? Yeah. All right. Why that specifically? Why that
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interest? Well, not just divorce. Just like... Yeah. I mean, there's other... Certainly there's other
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components of family law, but... I don't know. I just enjoy it. Okay. Yeah. All right. What about you?
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So that's a hard follow-up. Doctors, lawyers. I'm Nicolette. I'm a 24. I'm a stripper, and
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I do OnlyFans, and I'm from Orange County, California. The voice sounds a little... Sexy?
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No. Well, a horse. A little concert screaming or something? You know, I was going to cancel.
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Are you sick? No. AIDS? No. Not AIDS? Just partying too hard. Oh, you've been talking
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too much. Yeah. Strep? Mono? No. COVID? No. Monkeypox? What's your excuse, Brian? Why do you
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sound like that? What? How do I... Whoa. Now, how do I sound? I don't even know. How do I... How do I
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sound? How do I sound? Like... There's some dude voice deep. Yeah. Because he's a man, dude. That's why he
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sounds like that. Oh. Okay. Wait. You do OF2, right? Yes. Or did you stop? I start... I still do it. I
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mentioned that, I think. You just said stripper. And then you cut me off. OnlyFans, also.
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I didn't... Wait. Did I cut you off? Okay. Go ahead. My name is Laura. I'm 30. I live
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in Dallas, Texas. And I'm a wannabe weight loss content creator. And my husband and I
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own a company where we customize sneakers for large companies and professional athletes.
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Wait. What is a wannabe... Sorry. A wannabe weight loss? Yeah. So, basically, I lost 100 pounds
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and then I gained it back. So, that, like, took the credit of, like, being a content creator.
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So, now I'm a wannabe content creator because I'm doing it again. So... Okay. Yeah. All
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right. My name is Noelle. I'm 21 and I currently attend UCSB. I'm a biology major hoping to become
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a neurologist. And I'm originally from the high desert. All right. Very cool. My name is Angelic.
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I'm 23 and I stream on Twitch. That's it. And where are you from? Oh. Right now, I live
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in LA, but I travel a lot. Where did you, like, grow up, though? Florida. Florida. Okay.
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My name is Carly. I'm 25. I'm from right here in IV. And I'm a local missionary to the pre-born
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children in the womb. Did you go to school? Are you a grad student at UCSB or...?
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No. Actually, I live at the Jesus Burger's house right here that, like, evangelizes to
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the kids that are partying right here. All right. Cool. Cool. Andrew, what about you?
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My name is Andrew Wilson. I'm the host of The Crucible. It is, to my knowledge, the fastest
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growing debate channel on the internet, period. I am a political satirist, a political analyst,
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and then myself, I do enjoy engaging in debates from time to time. So, thank you guys all for
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coming out, having this conversation tonight. I'd appreciate it.
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Good to have you, Andrew. Good to have you. So, really quick, before we get into the relationship
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Let's have a banger of a show. All you content creators should make a video of how to not be late.
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Great work. W to the company owner for the panel. What is your most embarrassing
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date, carnal story? We will get to that. Thank you for the message there, Kill of Serial. Appreciate
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it. Most... I'll just write most embarrassing story. So, going around the table, what is
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everybody's current relationship status? So, are you single, talking stage, situationship,
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friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex, cult, harem, whatever it may be?
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If you're single, how long have you been single? And what's the longest relationship you've
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ever been in? Go ahead. I'm in a relationship right now. Okay. And it's not my longest, but
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we're going on strong. What's the longest relationship you've been in? Over a year.
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Okay. How long have you currently been in this relationship? A few months. A few months.
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And it is your boyfriend, girlfriend? My boyfriend. Okay. Should we say three months?
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Yeah. Okay. How did you guys meet? We met at school here at UCSB. Like in a class? Yeah,
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kind of outside of class. So, not at school or at school? At school. On campus? Yes. How did
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you guys meet? We had a class together fall quarter and we started talking after we saw each other at the
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gym. Who approached you? He approached me. All right. Okay. And what was his pickup line?
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I had met him once before, like before the second time. And he kind of just introduced himself.
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Okay. No pickup line. Just, hey, what's up? I'm Tyreek. Something like that. Okay. That's his name?
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Is that his name? No. Okay. Just, okay. I'm single. I was in a very short relationship in the beginning
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of this year. And my longest is a few months. Your longest relationship is how long? A few
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months. I think it was nine months. I said the last time or something. Who was that with? You said
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before the show you dated somebody? No. A few months ago. I was in a short relationship for two
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months. Yeah. But before the show, who did you say you dated? I had one date with Tristan Tate.
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One date with Tristan Tate? Yeah. And he cried like a bitch. What? Yeah. I will tell you all about it
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later. No way. He did. I have screenshots. I don't believe it. How long ago was this?
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June, I think. Not so long ago. June? Yeah. When he was still locked up a little. Yeah.
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Very funny. I went to Romania all the way. Yeah. Very funny. So like three months ago? Four
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months ago? Yeah. I went to Romania for it. Yeah.
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Yeah. Press X to down? You did? Wait. And even my friends texted him as well. So you
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slid into his DMs, I'm assuming? I was speaking to him for like three years already. Oh, okay.
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So I thought it was time to go and see what it's about. And it was horrible. It was?
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Listen, I went to his house and he was talking to me a few days before. Like, let's have sex.
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Hang on, hang on. We should get the rest of them real quick and then come back to this,
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Brian, because I want to dive into this. Sure, sure. We'll come back to it. We'll come back
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to the Tristan Tate thing. Okay. Hey, I'm single and I've been single for like three years.
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Three years. Yeah. Okay. And those of you who go to school, are any of you in like sorority
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or anything? I am in a sorority. Okay. So longest relationship? Like around a year. One year.
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Okay. And when was that? Was that the one that ended three years ago? Yes. Okay. Was
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that your freshman year of? It ended like going into my freshman year, yeah. So it was
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like high school? Yeah. Last year of high school? So you've been single pretty much your whole
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college career? You could say that, yeah. Okay. Well, what's the longest period of time
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you've, I guess, talked or seen somebody? It's a little complicated. Explain the complicatedness.
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Well, basically, that person I was still like seeing, I guess, until last year.
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Wait. Like my ex, we like kept, we like kept hanging out and things like that until last
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year, like 2023. Okay. So was it on and off again, kind of? Yeah. Okay. How many times was it
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off and on? I can't even count. It's like, cause we never dated officially again after
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that. Did you ever call each other boyfriend? No, no. It wasn't like that. It was just a
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weird situation. Like I don't even know what to call it. Did he live here? Yes. Okay.
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Yeah. Are you from here? No, we just both went to the same college. Okay. Um, but, and that
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ended completely a year ago. Yeah. Like you haven't talked or seen each other. We've seen
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each other cause we still go to the same school. No, not yesterday. He graduated. Okay. Yeah.
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Well, I mean, you might see each other, but you hung out in a, the romantic context. Yeah.
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Like two months ago? Not like a year ago. A year ago. Yeah. Okay. So it was a clean break. Yeah.
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A year ago. Okay. You said it was on and off. How many times was it off?
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A few times. I don't know exactly how many times, but. More than five? No, maybe like
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three. Okay. More often than not, who would end it? Um. Of the five times, who
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ended it? I don't know. You don't know? You could say him. You could say him. Yeah.
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Okay. Yeah. And then who would kind of be the one trying to get things going again?
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Him. Yeah. So he would end it, miss you. Basically. Come back. Okay. Um, why would he
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end it? Oh God. I'm getting nervous. Um, I don't really know, honestly. I don't know.
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You don't know? He just. Maybe he wanted to explore other things. Like I am not too sure.
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Okay. He never gave you a reason or were there arguments or. We never really talked about
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it. He'd just be like, all right, I'm going to be single for two months and then. Well,
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it's just like awkward. I'm not a confrontational person. So yeah, I never brought it up.
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Basically. Until the last time that. So how would it. So would he call you up or would
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he do it in person? Um. Or would he text you? Or smoke signals? Yeah. He'd text you. Wait,
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can we. No, no, no, no. Okay. So he would text you something along the lines of nice knowing
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you. I'm going to date other women. It's just really complicated because in between those
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like breaks, like we would still see each other. So it's like we talked in person because
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it's not like we ever ended on bad terms. Like we would still talk when we saw each
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other. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. Um, and then what, have you seen any other people in
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the past three years? Um, since last year. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What's the longest period of
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time that you've. Like not talked or anything like that though. What do you mean? Not like
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a talking situation or anything like that. Like friends with benefits. Yeah. Hookup type
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thing. Just like hookup. Yeah. Okay. So what would the duration of the, that be like a one
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time? Yeah. One time. Okay. All right. And a couple of those. Okay. What about you? Um,
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so I've been single for six years and then I had like a three year relationship before
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then, but it wasn't really serious because I, we were young. Okay. And that's your longest
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relationship. Yes. That, and is that the one that ended six years ago? Yes. Okay. And
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you're, uh, when you say you've been single for six years, that means what? So I haven't been
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talking to men or I've been on a few dates, but I'm also celibate. So yeah. How long you've
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been celibate for? Six years. Six years. Okay. Celibate, six years. And, uh, are you religious
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or? I am. Okay. Christian? Yes. Denomination? Uh, I wouldn't say any denomination of Christian.
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Like. Okay. Sure. What about you? Um, I've been single for like nine months. My longest
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relationship was two years. Did that start in? In high school. High school. Yeah. Okay.
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Did you do long distance? Yeah. For one year we did. For, okay. That was the final year,
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I guess. No, that was like the first year I think. Yeah. Wait, so you guys met in high
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school? Yeah. Wait, hold on. Are you a junior in? Yeah, I was a junior in high school. No,
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I mean, are you going to be a junior in college or are you going into your second year? This
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is my second year. Okay. Oh, so you started dating in your junior year of high school? Yeah.
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Then was he one year older than you? Yeah. Oh, so he graduated. He went off to college. Okay. I see.
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All right. Uh, who ended that relationship? He did. He did. Okay. You've been single for nine
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months. Uh, any, anything in that nine month period? Short term, nothing short term? No. No,
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no summer fling? No. Nothing? No? No. Summer fling? Okay. Uh, so you've been celibate for nine
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months? Yep. All right. You guys have something and you're getting there while you give it another
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five years. All right. Uh, so no, are you, have you been on dating apps at all? No. No dating? What,
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have you been on a date? Just a date in the past? No. No? No. Okay. All right. Are you looking
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right now or are you just kind of? No, I'm just like focusing on school. Focus on, what are you
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studying again? Economics. Economics. Okay. Got it. Nicolette? Uh, I've been single for two years
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and my longest relationship was seven years. How long you've been celibate for Nicolette? Um,
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maybe like a week. All right. You're part of the club. All right. What about you? I've been married
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for seven years. Okay. Uh, is that, that's your longest relationship? Yes. How long have you guys
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been together? For 10 years. 10 years total? Yeah. Okay. We dated two years and then engaged one and
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then married for seven. Gotcha. All right. So you've been dating, you're 30, you've been dating from like
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20 to 30 basically or together since 20 to 30. Yeah. Basically we were, we started like talking
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in 2013. Okay. He likes, so yeah, 2013. Any breaks or? No, no. No breaks in the relationship? I mean,
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I've, I mean a few times I'm like, I'm going to divorce you, but it's never happened. But I also,
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I'm Colombian and crazy. So he kind of just like ignores me and he ignores you. Yeah. Cause he knows
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that I'm crazy. So it's okay. But I only have said that a few. I got it. Go ahead. Go ahead.
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I've only said that like, well, maybe like two times in the beginning, but that's also because like
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that because, because. Only in the beginning. Yeah. Only in the beginning. When's the last time you
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threatened to divorce your husband? It was probably like whenever, excuse me, a week ago. Probably.
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No, I'm just kidding. No, I'm just kidding. I don't, I'm always, are there any other Latinas
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at the table? Is it Angelic? You're Latina? You're Nicolette's Latina? I, I don't know how I feel
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about, and Andrew, you probably have thoughts on this, this whole like, well, I'm Latina, so I'm just
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crazy. I feel like that's a, first off, there's plenty of Latina women that aren't crazy. Well,
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all women are crazy. We're just crazier. And there's a difference between white women crazy,
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which in my opinion is way crazier than. It's worse? Yes. Where's Asian woman crazy? Do
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we have some Asian women? Oh, well. Asian? They'll hit you. Asian? Not Asian? They'll
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hit you. Uh, what? I'm half, half Asian, half Mexican. Oh, okay. Okay. So she's like
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crazy, crazy. I'm like white crazy. Is that a word for that? Masian? You're Masian? Yeah.
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Okay. Um, Masian. Never heard of it. Wait, so okay. Explain the white girl. Okay. So it's
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white girl crazy. Just rank it. Okay. White girl crazy. At the top. Latina crazy. Latina
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crazy. Asian crazy is crazy, but they'll, they know how to contain it. They'll wait until
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you're in public. Does it depend like what kind of Asian? I mean, I'm private. Like where's
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Vietnamese? Filipino? You know, I'm not sure. Korean? Koreans at the bottom. I love Koreans.
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Tire. They're the best. Japanese women probably are at the top. At the top? Yeah. I think so.
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Vietnamese women. And then white women. Yeah, we do fight. It's fair. We do. Wait, so
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okay. Where, where do you place like indigenous, uh, or Aboriginal? Define. Like Australia?
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Oh, I wouldn't know. Andrew, don't listen to this part. I wouldn't know. That's, that, that
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falls under the category of like white. What about like Native American? Where do they fall?
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No, they're very like, um, they're very respectful to their men. Wait, who? What'd you say? Native
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American. Native American. Oh, okay. So they're at the bottom of the. Yeah, they're at the bottom.
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Yeah. White girl crazy. Yeah. That's why they call it white girl wasted. Thank you. Did you say,
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did you say Native American women are at the bottom of the crazy matrix? Yes. Where the hell did you come
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up with that? She's a researcher. Just from my experience. So obviously he's come across some crazy
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Native Americans. Please share. Well, first of all, Hispanics are mestizos, which means they're half
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Native American, half, uh, uh, European. So what the hell are you talking about?
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Lawyer. So where, so where do you think, so where do you think they get the crazy half?
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What is the crazy half here? What are you talking about? Yeah, it's definitely Native. If, if,
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if, if Hispanics are mestizo, meaning half Native and then half European, what is the crazy half
00:23:20.740
then? If you think that European women are not crazy. Isn't European white? Yes. Yes. So
00:23:27.840
then what's your point? I'm confused. What he's saying is that Native is basically Hispanic,
00:23:32.320
but Hispanic is half Native and half European, but European is white. So the crazy. So what's the
00:23:39.480
crazy, what's the crazy half? What, what's the differential? You know, I didn't go to school
00:23:43.440
for it. All I can say is that the Latinas are crazy. As far as I know, he's married. What is your
00:23:50.060
wife's like background? Mine? She's Dutch and Irish. Ooh. So, so she's fucking crazy to be with you.
00:24:00.120
What do you mean? She's, what? I'm Dutch to watch it. I'm English and Irish. What the hell are you
00:24:05.080
talking about? I'm Dutch to watch it. I'm just saying she must be crazy to, you know, put up with
00:24:10.480
you. Oh boy. Hey, listen. Why, why would that make, make her crazy? And why is he crazy? Wait,
00:24:16.020
Andrew, are we going to get, are we going to get a little, uh, a little Rachel cameo? You think?
00:24:21.860
I'm going to get a little Rachel cameo. I guess, I guess you can talk to her later if you want to
00:24:26.840
tell her how crazy she is for putting up with me. We might need a Rachel cameo. Um, but, uh, I don't
00:24:32.800
know. Anyways, to move things on, I just, I feel like it's a bit of a cop out. Like, well,
00:24:37.720
I'm Latina, so I guess you just got to deal with my, are you not just mad because we don't
00:24:43.000
take your bullshit? I'm sorry. I'll take his bullshit. I'm just crazy. Wait, so how are
00:24:48.540
you crazy? Yeah. Like throwing out, like, I'm going to divorce you kind of crazy, but
00:24:54.040
I like, I am not violent, but I do go crazy and then I start crying really fast. So it's
00:24:59.780
like all the emotions I want that. What? So you manipulate the shit. Well, I don't, you just
00:25:05.700
talk. You're not really crazy. He's the only person I take no from, but yeah, I try to
00:25:09.520
manipulate him so that I can get my way back. So you're toxic. You just talk. You don't
00:25:15.140
do it. No, I don't do it. Isn't that the whole point of this conversation? Admitting
00:25:18.680
that she's crazy. We're all crazy. Talk for yourself. Yeah. Literally what? Yeah. But
00:25:24.160
I am, I like, I never actually go, obviously go through with a divorce. There's obviously a
00:25:28.740
deeper meaning, but I do like throw things around because I want him to feel pain sometimes.
00:25:32.700
Is your man in therapy or is he just walking around freely? Yeah. Thank you, Josh. Is he
00:25:37.300
in therapy? For you. Yeah. Oh, I don't think so. You should. In any case, moving things on,
00:25:45.620
what about you? I have never been in a relationship. All right. So single, I'm assuming. Yes. All
00:25:53.120
right. What's the longest period of, have you been on a date? Let's start there. Yes. Okay.
00:25:59.440
What's the longest period of time you've, uh, date, dated a guy? And I use the term dated
00:26:05.020
pretty loosely. Dated? Yeah. Three months. Three months. Okay. So this was like a, uh,
00:26:10.380
situationship? Yes. You did not consider him your boyfriend though? No, I, no. Okay. All
00:26:15.780
right. Um, three months is the longest. Uh, you, uh, has a guy asked you to be in a relationship
00:26:26.380
and you turn them down or just, I don't let it get that far. Sorry. What's that? I don't
00:26:30.120
let it get that far. You don't let it get that far. No. Why is that? Um, my excuse is working
00:26:35.840
on myself and just pursuing my career. So I don't have time. Um, yeah. So I stay away.
00:26:44.080
Wait, your excuse is. So what's the underlying reason? Yeah. I'm still trying to figure that
00:26:49.220
out. Oh, I just, when it happens, when it is like, what is that term? Avoidant personality?
00:26:55.400
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm aware. I'm aware of it. Okay. I just don't know how to fix it just
00:27:02.200
yet. And have you had any shorter term dating experiences like friends with benefits or casual
00:27:07.680
hookup? Um, I've been on a few dates, not hookup or anything like that. I've been out for coffee.
00:27:13.800
We've been on walks with different people. Yeah. Wait, are you virgin? I was about to ask
00:27:20.100
that. No. Oh, okay. The three months. The three months. Situationship. Yeah. All right. What
00:27:26.880
about you? Um, my longest relationship was a year, but I've been single for two and a half
00:27:33.940
years. All right. One year. And you recently moved to Los Angeles. How's the dating out there
00:27:39.440
in LA? I'm not dating anyone here. Well, you're not dating anybody, but I mean. I'm not interested
00:27:47.680
in anyone here. Here? No. Are you? Oh, wait. I think if I'm trying to recall, isn't there
00:27:54.360
like a guy that you have your eye on that lives somewhere else? Yeah. He rejected me.
00:27:59.820
Where's he live again? Australia. Australia. Okay. He rejected you since you were last on the
00:28:06.060
show? Uh, I mean, kind of from the start. Well, he's always been rejecting you. Yeah.
00:28:11.040
Are you still holding out for? I mean, we're not talking anymore. Okay. Like no contact.
00:28:22.640
No. Did, were you a crazy Latina? No. Uh, he just called me. He said like, uh, you know,
00:28:31.360
I don't feel a romantic spark with you. So I think we should part ways. And then I said,
00:28:43.480
So have you done any dating in Los Angeles? No. Like going on a date? No. All right. What
00:28:51.600
about you? Um, my longest relationship was seven years and I was single for two years and now
00:28:59.440
I just started seeing a new guy recently. All right. How long have you guys been together?
00:29:04.480
Um, officially, like we just went on one date and then he asked me to meet his parents. So I met
00:29:10.300
his parents the next day. Um, so we're not like official, official yet, just yet. All right.
00:29:16.820
Uh, longest relationship, seven years. You've been single for two years, you said? Yeah. Okay. Um,
00:29:23.040
so you did the seven year relationship that was from, I was 15 to 22. Yeah. Okay. All right. Got it. Uh,
00:29:33.020
I think that's, uh, pretty much it. Uh, Andrew, you wanted to dive into, uh, the Tristan Tate.
00:29:40.740
Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to hear and be regal with the Tristan Tate saga that you were diving into
00:29:47.840
without any distractions of needing to move the convo forward too quickly. Uh, I've been speaking
00:29:53.340
to him for three. Uh, gloctavius donated $200. Chat, would you rather get a massage from a gay man
00:30:02.220
or surgery from a female doctor? Serious surgery. So basically, would you rather get a massage
00:30:08.860
or die? That's wild. I do not understand the question. Thank you. Thank you, gloctavius. All
00:30:24.180
right. Go ahead. Um, either way, we've been speaking for three years and he was always very
00:30:29.860
nice, very respectful. Um, we had very long conversations back and forth like friends.
00:30:34.760
So I was like, you know what? I'm going to go to Romania. He offered to pay for everything.
00:30:38.940
I refused because I was like, you know what? I want to feel safe. I want to pay for my own
00:30:42.740
hotel. I do not know this guy. Just that was the reason. So he hit me up there every day.
00:30:47.440
Like, you know what? When I'm going to see you, I want to have anal sex with you. And I'm like,
00:30:50.700
bro. So I was like, no, I'm not going to do that. First of all, never done that. I said,
00:30:56.760
take a bitch to dinner first. I have all the screenshots for this either way. So, and then he was,
00:31:01.340
yeah, I will take you out to dinner. And I was like, yeah, that's better. That's nice.
00:31:03.740
And then a few days later, he was like, come over to my house. I will call you an Uber.
00:31:08.220
And I was like, bro, when is the Uber arriving? Because I was in this hotel. He said 30 minutes.
00:31:13.360
I was like laying in bed. It was evening. I was like, fuck, I have 30 minutes to get ready.
00:31:17.440
So I did. I ran downstairs, got into the Uber. I sent the location to my friends, obviously.
00:31:23.160
But it was not at all what I was expecting. I was expecting this gentleman in a suit like he always
00:31:28.740
is. He was like in a sweatpants, hair is messy. Everything was total messy. He looked like a
00:31:33.580
total uncared for person. But I walked in and he, the first thing he greeted me and then he turned
00:31:41.260
around to all his cars. He was like, this is the world famous Lana, but you already know that,
00:31:44.840
right? And then he showed all his cars. I was like, I'm not interested in this. I didn't look
00:31:48.880
you up. He said, why not? He got angry. So I was like, because I'm here for you. Then we went to
00:31:53.560
this office. You always see in his podcasts and everything. But it was so confusing to me because
00:31:57.980
it was like this big door with locks and everything, big chairs. If you sit on those chairs, you
00:32:02.460
cannot see that somebody is sitting. You have to remember that for later on. So we sat down and he
00:32:07.600
just started talking about how much money you're going to give his assistant for all her work
00:32:11.980
because he's in Dubai right now and everything. And I was like, all right, where's this conversation
00:32:16.540
going? Because I'm not interested in all the money and everything. I'm just like, hey, how are you?
00:32:20.720
Nice to meet you. And then he was like, do you want something to drink? I said, yeah,
00:32:24.120
that would be nice. And he called his assistant. So I was like, why do you not get it yourself?
00:32:28.580
He said, why shouldn't I? I said, because this is arrogant. Then he got frustrated a little bit more
00:32:34.220
and he just kept on talking about his money and everything. So I called him a little bit out.
00:32:40.360
I said, you walk funny. You have a limp when you walk. You talk stupid. Are we going to have a
00:32:46.020
normal conversation or not? And then he was like, sure, a little bit. And
00:32:54.080
there was a light bulb at this room. It was a different color. Everybody, all the lights were
00:32:58.280
white and that color was brown because I was so bored with his conversation about money. I was
00:33:03.000
like, hey, that light bulb is stupid. He's got off the chair. He run down the room. He was like,
00:33:08.060
oh, I'm going to fix it. Like so insecure. Not what I expected at all. I've been speaking to him for
00:33:11.820
three years. Then he sat down and then out of nowhere, he was like, Andrew is awake. Andrew is awake.
00:33:17.320
Panicking. And I was like, yeah, so what's the deal? Then the door knock, he said, we have to go.
00:33:22.760
Andrew is awake. Then he said, and Andrew just walked in with his laptop, sat down next to me
00:33:27.280
and he looked like, huh? Hi. Didn't expect me at all. Gave me a hand. Very friendly. Very friendly.
00:33:32.180
I have to give them that. And then Trish was like, we have to go. We have to go. He was so scared
00:33:36.020
because Andrew was like, we have to work. Get her out. Very scared. So I was like, hey, is Andrew
00:33:41.420
running this whole show? And he was like, yeah, but now you have to go. So we went outside and he said,
00:33:47.020
thank you for your time. Can you please answer all your messages? Because I'm a slow texter.
00:33:52.360
And then I was in the Uber the way out. And then he keeps on texting me. And I was like, you know
00:33:55.920
what? It's not going to work. It's not the vibe. And he agreed. And then he started to be a little
00:34:00.400
bit ugly at WhatsApp. And I said, you need to calm down. You look like a fish. And yeah, that was a
00:34:06.100
little story of me and Tristan Tate. I did text him after that. And he tried to be ugly a little bit.
00:34:11.900
And then my friends texted him like, shut up because we will put you in a truck. And then he
00:34:16.700
got a little bit scared. And he told me like, your friends are scary. And the next day, my friends
00:34:20.640
told him that like, calm down because we will put you in a trunk. And the next day he was in the
00:34:25.800
trunk of the police wagon because they got arrested again. So that's funny. So yeah, they were very
00:34:31.000
respectful. But it was so weird. He's so scared of his brother a little bit. I will look it up. I think
00:34:36.560
it's April, May, June the time. So I have to look it on my Instagram. You can see the
00:34:41.860
picture. Wait, you said the day after he got arrested again? No, like, last week he got
00:34:46.420
arrested. My friends texted him last week, like, be nice because we will put you in the
00:34:50.640
trunk. And the next day he was in the trunk of the police car. That's funny. So it was
00:34:57.380
very nice and respectful. He was, his brother gave me and he got so scared. For some reason,
00:35:02.180
I have to get out. He's awake. He's awake. And I was like, does your brother run the whole
00:35:06.060
show? And he's like, yeah, now you have to get out. So he was very sweet, very
00:35:11.500
respectful. But I'm just wondering if he's not more the social media figure. I think
00:35:16.700
his brother, Andrew, is the total brains. He walked in. He had that very manly era, very
00:35:21.340
sexy manly. You felt it right away. And Tristan was just there like, like the puppet is sitting.
00:35:28.120
I don't know. I think Andrew is the real brain, for sure. I don't know. I was so confused
00:35:35.600
myself because we were speaking for three years. And I asked him, why do you speak for me
00:35:38.300
for three years? It's not like a hookup thing and everything. How often would you, would you
00:35:41.720
guys speak on the phone? Also? Yeah. And then he would you guys text each other? Almost
00:35:47.060
weekly for three years. And he was like, yeah, that time I was more on the phone because now
00:35:51.520
I cannot do that anymore because the police is searching my phone and stuff like that.
00:35:55.100
I'm like, sure. For the people who not believe me, I've ever seen. So I believe her. I think
00:36:00.040
that's the most believable story I've ever heard on here. Actually, again, it's not like he
00:36:04.300
was disrespectful. We just got, when Andrew came, he was like, oh, we need to, and that
00:36:08.040
was so surprising. And he looked like shit when I arrived. And I don't know.
00:36:12.820
So the story is you met up with him and you were slightly underwhelmed and that's the extent
00:36:19.240
of... No, I was just not expecting this kind of persona, like a little scared persona or
00:36:25.000
something. It was so weird. Just talking about Wania and what's Wania going to give his
00:36:27.880
assistant, his scars. Very arrogant. Like, this is famous Lonnie. You already knew that,
00:36:31.980
right? And I was like, no, I do not watch your shit. But I mean, isn't... Don't you
00:36:35.860
go in kind of expecting that they're going to talk about money and... No, because three
00:36:41.040
years is a long time, right? I told him that too. On WhatsApp, I told him, like, you know
00:36:44.740
what, three years is a long time. Obviously, you want to show your house a little bit.
00:36:49.020
That's a normal thing. Like, welcome to my house. I understand that. That's fine.
00:36:52.180
Sure. But when you sit down, you're going to bash about the money you're giving your
00:36:56.060
assistant. I do not know your assistant. I do not know what the police thing is going
00:36:59.860
on. Why do you want to talk that to me? I was like, you know, can we not have a normal
00:37:04.940
drink? Ask me what my favorite color is or something. Be nice.
00:37:07.200
So I have a question. Did he tell you he wanted to do anal with you before or after you got
00:37:11.340
to Romania? Before. No, no. Lie. When I arrived. Okay. Wait, Nicolette, can you scoot your mic
00:37:17.880
that way a little bit? When I arrived. That way, yeah. And let's be honest. That man is sexy
00:37:21.860
as fuck. You cannot deny it. He's... Tristan? Yeah, he's tall. He looks like shit when he
00:37:26.180
arrived. But he's not ugly. I will never say that. He's tall. He has his bicycle.
00:37:29.840
He's bigger than my fucking head. He's tall. He's muscular. For sure. But I just didn't expect
00:37:34.860
such a shy... Well, you got to make up your mind, right? He's like, he's a scared, timid
00:37:40.920
coward one second. Yeah, I would never go to him again. He looks like a fish. And then the next
00:37:44.140
second, he's a buff stud Chad. Like, which is it here? Yeah. Of course he has muscles. You cannot
00:37:49.580
deny it. It has nothing to do with his personality if somebody has muscles. Well, what did you expect
00:37:56.020
to the personification of a man who's under massive investigation and is meeting up with
00:38:01.040
somebody he's been talking to for three years who's a friend of his? Of course, he's probably
00:38:05.220
going to be nervous and probably have all sorts of things which are going on, right?
00:38:09.260
I did. And I had that in mind. But I think when you sit down in a normal conversation,
00:38:14.540
in a locked up room, no phone, mobile phones off, everything, it would be nice to have a
00:38:19.380
normal conversation. You do not really know me, right? So why would it make sense to tell
00:38:23.360
me how much money you give to everybody? That's really weird though, right? That's self-contradictory.
00:38:27.180
So what do you mean he doesn't really... You've been talking for three years, I thought. He doesn't
00:38:30.500
really know you. No, not in that way. If you never meet somebody... Well, what way? What
00:38:36.320
way? I'm sorry. I feel like if I've been talking with somebody for three years that I would get
00:38:42.480
to know them pretty well, right? Yeah. It's not like a very deep conversation we had. Obviously
00:38:46.620
every week something like, hey, what you doing? And he went to this and that's just like friendly
00:38:51.020
conversation like you are saying. But I was not expecting... Well, wait, I thought you were talking
00:38:56.540
to him on the phone. Also, yeah, just about his way, his life, but not seriously, not about his
00:39:01.620
money. Why would he do that? That's private, right? Yeah, no, no, no. I didn't expect that.
00:39:06.000
Before you kind of pivot to the next thing, let's see if we can get this figured out. When you say,
00:39:09.580
I was talking to this guy weekly, does that mean you were like, oh, hey, what's up, Tristan? How
00:39:15.340
are you? And he went, good. How are you? And you said, good. And like, that was the extent of most of
00:39:19.640
your conversation. Is that what you mean? Or did you have in-depth conversations about it? Also, like, where he was going,
00:39:23.620
what he was doing with the girls, stuff like that. Just like, I do not know if I can say everything here.
00:39:30.060
But it's like, more than just, hey, how are you? And then finish the conversation. It was, we did not have
00:39:35.540
sexual conversations at all, but more about life, like, when he was younger, puberty, everything, stuff like
00:39:41.800
that. Like a normal human being. So that's why I was expecting just like, what you were saying, like a little bit more
00:39:48.100
friends vibe. And then I arrived, he only talked about money and his cars. And I was like, confusing.
00:39:56.800
I don't know why that's confusing, right? So he's showing you his life, right?
00:40:01.380
Yeah, but if you never talk to somebody about your finances, why would you, when you meet somebody
00:40:06.240
in person for the first time, sit down with this person and be like, I'm going to tell you how much
00:40:12.000
I pay my assistant when I see her again? Like, that's, well.
00:40:16.580
Why, why would that? I don't understand why that's problematic. That's to him talking about his work.
00:40:19.520
I didn't say it was problematic. I just personally found it a little weird.
00:40:23.440
Hang on. Isn't that first date territory to talk about work?
00:40:28.380
You can tell me what kind of work you do, but I'm not interested in you throwing money around, no?
00:40:33.620
Yeah, but, but he didn't, I didn't actually hear any part in the story where he threw money around.
00:40:38.080
Like, money around, like, what he's giving all the people.
00:40:42.340
Yeah, he's talking about his job and his work, right?
00:40:44.940
But it was not talking about, it was not talking about his money. It was like, she's in Dubai
00:40:50.240
hiding for the government. I'm going to pay her this amount. And just like, why do you want to tell me
00:40:54.980
all this? I just was not there for that. I just wanted to be friends. Like, we were on WhatsApp,
00:41:02.340
Well, what was the nature of your conversation?
00:41:04.220
So wait, so, so this guy who is, I would say, unfairly, um, often targeted because of his
00:41:11.340
brother, right? Has a friend who he's been talking to for three years, who finally comes
00:41:15.640
into town. He gets a chance to meet her. He's talking to her and he has somebody he feels
00:41:19.420
like he confides, can confide in. So he starts confiding in you and you're punishing him for
00:41:23.840
I do not say it's confiding in you. Let's be honest. A man like that, he told me that that's
00:41:27.960
500 women over a week or something. So it's not that I'm a very good friend. I will never
00:41:33.120
see me as a very good friend. I never would tell me that or something. Thinking of her
00:41:39.020
So did you just fly out there for a booty call?
00:41:42.740
Well, then what the hell were you out there for?
00:41:46.800
If I was there for a booty call, I would say, yeah, let's fuck.
00:41:49.540
You're not friends, right? You don't, you don't consider him to be a friend. He doesn't
00:41:53.020
think he considered you to be a close friend. He talked about sex the second you touched
00:41:57.240
down. Like, what the hell were you out there for? Be honest. What were you out there
00:42:01.020
In a person. I wanted to see the person behind all the social media. And I told him that
00:42:05.940
if I was there for a booty call, I would say, yes, please fuck me. No, I did not.
00:42:11.520
Yeah. So, so then your intention, did he pay to fly you out?
00:42:17.820
Well, I mean, that was a, that was a good decision. If he knew that you were going to
00:42:21.220
like take it on a road show and slander him everywhere.
00:42:26.820
No, I just told him that I want to meet you for you, for like your character behind
00:42:30.980
everything else, because on WhatsApp, we spoke very respectfully. And that's why I ignored
00:42:35.920
him and he said, hey, let's say that all of this, I'm just going to take you at face value
00:42:39.540
and all of this did happen, right? What is the actual point since the guy didn't actually
00:42:44.480
do anything bad to you of taking this story on the road and slandering his name? What
00:42:49.680
Is it really slandering? It's just talking about a date. It's not very bad.
00:42:57.060
Cajun underscore SRT donated $1,000. Pop champagne. Pop that bottle, Maddie.
00:43:03.820
Well, I think the point is, it's very entertaining. It's an entertaining story and it's her story
00:43:12.700
Maybe you can chime in. So let us, let us finish our conversation here. So how, how
00:43:17.780
is it, how is it not, how is it not slander? How's it not slander to run around and basically
00:43:24.140
say, okay, this is all persona. It's all social media persona. He's basically a coward in reality.
00:43:29.320
He's very timid. He's just, he's kind of has to be in obeisance to his brother. It sounds
00:43:37.020
In fact, in the entirety of the story, you really never said a nice thing about the guy, not
00:43:43.780
I didn't say and slander him. I said, I felt like he was scared. I didn't say he is scared.
00:43:49.060
I didn't say he was a coward. I said, I feel like he was.
00:43:50.960
It just seems like a non-story. Like nothing happened.
00:43:54.300
I was, I was entertained and she did say something nice. She said he was hot and had big muscles.
00:43:59.140
No, I'm just saying like, after the story was done.
00:44:01.900
You asked about an entertaining story. I'm giving you a little bit entertaining. That's all
00:44:05.780
I'm doing. I just tell you that I met him. That's all.
00:44:08.520
Well, the guy, so this guy is a really high profile guy. He's, but he's looked at by tens
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of thousands of people. You know, he's looked at and he's under scrutiny from tens of thousands
00:44:16.660
of people. What would actually be the point of even regurgitating such a story?
00:44:22.500
Except to slander and hurt this guy's image. Like what would even be the point except to
00:44:26.020
Why, but why do you tell this? Because you only say because he's famous. If he was not famous
00:44:31.520
like a nobody, you will all be fucking entertained right now.
00:44:34.440
Yeah. So what, what does that have to do with my line of inquiry?
00:44:38.440
No, but why are you so much on? He's so much, he's so famous. He's so just, why does that
00:44:42.760
even matter? Because if anybody here, because you weren't out there to meet him because of
00:44:47.120
any other reason, I can meet every other man that I want and fly out. It will be the same
00:44:51.720
I thought you weren't flying out there because you wanted him. Now the story changes.
00:44:55.080
No, you're just making a point. Like he's famous. You cannot do this. But if he was not
00:45:01.060
Okay. Yeah. You wouldn't be out there to meet him if he wasn't famous, right?
00:45:06.500
I probably would because he is not ugly. It's the same thing. You're just making a point
00:45:11.460
because he is famous. That's your point. If he was not famous, if I just would tell you
00:45:16.500
a dating story, not him, this same story, but a different man that's not famous. Are you
00:45:24.500
Well, it didn't, but your dating story wasn't about a different man who was not famous.
00:45:29.460
By the way, that dating story would actually, without the context of it being Tristan, be
00:45:34.740
totally uninteresting and nobody would give a shit about it. The only reason that it's
00:45:38.100
even interesting is because you included Tristan's name.
00:45:40.820
And that's why you asked an interesting date story. So that's the only thing I have.
00:45:45.820
I mean, it, it, it, it doesn't sound, it sounded like, uh, specifically it sounds like you're
00:45:50.300
just going on like a slander roach. Have you told this story multiple times before this?
00:45:57.420
Yes, you can not find it anywhere. No, it's the first time.
00:46:00.700
I think he's jealous because he wants to do anal with Tristan.
00:46:06.860
Dammit, Madison. Sorry, I got it all over my computer and my microphone.
00:46:13.520
That's not the first time that's happened, has it?
00:46:17.920
All right, go ahead. Sorry, the champagne. God damn this fucking giant fucking champagne pop.
00:46:24.400
Do it again. Sorry, sorry. I'm very sorry. I'm sorry.
00:46:28.640
You need to work on your handjobs a little bit more.
00:46:36.720
Keep going. I was out of the conversation. You were taking all over.
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I'm, I'm, where were we ended? I'm so confused.
00:46:54.960
He asked me if it was the first time telling the story.
00:46:59.920
And, Brian, you should work on your handjobs a little bit more because it didn't go well.
00:47:11.680
I'm never buying. I am never buying. You know, it's interesting. None of the women
00:47:17.520
offered to help me clean up the mess. Just letting you know.
00:47:25.680
I thought men were supposed to be like, the providers, the take-care-vers.
00:47:59.680
I think, wait. One, two, three, four, five. Okay.
00:48:05.920
Andrew, you need to get liquored up too. Guys, sorry about the mix-up there.
00:48:13.440
Glocktavius donated $200. My sprinkler goes like this.
00:48:32.080
Thank you, Glocktavius. I really appreciate it, man.
00:48:42.000
Okay, that's cool. I'll get back. Let's... Why don't we pull up kill of cereals thing then?
00:48:48.640
He asks, most embarrassing date story? Date story, hookup story, whatever story.
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It's just a couple. All right. Most embarrassing date story?
00:49:12.240
I think I already told him the last time he came in my hair and walked down to my parents.
00:49:17.360
And he didn't told me. And then I saw it in a mirror in the hallway. It was very embarrassing.
00:49:25.280
So then the Tristan story wasn't the only embarrassing dating story you have been.
00:49:32.160
Oh, darling, no. We can make it a third time if you want to go on a date with me.
00:49:36.240
Wait, I do have a question really quick on the Tristan thing.
00:49:39.440
I'm sorry. Did you just immediately pivot to you must want to fuck me?
00:49:43.920
Did you just instantly do the female pivot of you must want to fuck me?
00:49:47.840
Next time you do the female pivot of you must want to fuck me, at least, at least do the kind thing, right?
00:49:55.040
But why did I say I wanted to fuck you? I have nothing else to say except that.
00:49:58.640
I never said I wanted to fuck you. I think you're hot, obviously.
00:50:01.600
Yeah, obviously. But yeah, back to where we were before.
00:50:04.640
I was so rudely interrupted by the Dutch Jessica Rabbit.
00:50:08.400
Can you please tell me if earlier you stated the reason you talked about the Tristan Haggard story
00:50:14.560
is because that was the only funny dating story you had.
00:50:17.680
And then instantly we get to another dating story and suddenly you have another one, right?
00:50:26.720
That was the only reason. I've been here before I always explained the other one.
00:50:30.320
That's why I told them I always said it. I thought you wanted a new one.
00:50:37.760
Right, it's a new one. So you didn't just have one. You have multiple, right?
00:50:44.560
Your story shifts more than the Saharan Sands is all I'm going to point out here, right?
00:50:52.240
I think you're a little bit a Tristan Zade fan and I think you're a little bit objective at the point.
00:51:00.000
You mean non-objective? That's what you must mean, right?
00:51:02.320
Because if I'm objective, then that means that I'm being impartial and very much focused on the topic at hand.
00:51:13.280
Yo, Smokin' Pancakes, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships.
00:51:16.960
For those of you who have, do you want champagne?
00:51:34.400
We'll just do the cheers now to move things along.
00:51:46.000
So wait, he brought that up before you went to meet him?
00:52:03.960
You can also, he was like, no, you can also wait in my bed at night and we can have anal sex, just casual like that.
00:52:20.720
But if a guy's like, if before he fucks you in the pussy, he's like, anal, like, that's kind of fucking gay.
00:52:28.000
Well, that means he has like a fucking fetish for anal.
00:52:32.300
Yeah, but if you have a long relationship, he's like, I want to fuck you anal tonight just to try it out, something new.
00:52:38.300
No, but would you tell your boyfriend, like, now you're gay because he want to fuck you anal?
00:52:42.600
Well, if it's my boyfriend, no, because we fucked probably plenty of times vaginally.
00:52:46.780
Then what is wrong with other men just want anal sex, he's not gay?
00:52:50.060
If a guy, like, I never had sex with and the first time meeting is, like, anal, I'm like, hey, he's probably, like, gay.
00:52:56.840
But you just, a few seconds before you were like, hey, that's a smart man, you're going to not get pregnant.
00:53:31.760
No, I got all my tattoos when I was really young and also before I found God.
00:53:37.700
Um, I, I honestly probably just thought it was cool.
00:53:55.340
Yeah, I've actually, like, gotten laser on my, on my hands, laser on this one as well.
00:54:11.680
He called me my best friend at the time's name.
00:54:20.500
No, it was probably, like, our fifth-ish date, maybe.
00:54:23.700
And you guys were, like, it was while you were just kicking it, or was it during something?
00:54:27.900
No, it was literally, like, while we were kissing.
00:54:49.020
Wait, that's the, that's the, your longest relationship?
00:55:05.400
And we were still best friends in the relationship.
00:55:12.220
Like, you're making out, we're doing more, and he's like, ah, Matilda.
00:55:31.280
Because if mistakes are, like, like that are happening that early on hanging out, like,
00:55:39.300
Yes, because he's thinking about her while kissing you.
00:55:47.540
It wouldn't be over, but I'd handle the situation accordingly to that.
00:55:53.800
No, I would treat him like, I'd call him his best friend's name for probably, like, ever.
00:56:14.120
Now, what if he said, let's up the ante here, his mom's name?
00:56:30.920
I wouldn't make out with someone that knew my mom's name, like, on a third date.
00:56:42.840
Do you not look at Facebook when you're dating somebody?
00:56:45.020
Well, to be fair, you met your boyfriend's parents the day after your first date, so.
00:57:11.720
Your current boyfriend, if he was like, it's Anissa, right?
00:57:34.520
Let's get into some of the pre-show notes here.
00:57:58.220
Like the last date I went on, it was his birthday and two waitresses, not just one, two separate
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waitresses came up to us like, oh, it's a celebration.
00:58:41.040
So I didn't have like a fun, like embarrassing date.
00:58:45.600
So they like filtered out a lot of like guys that would make me have an embarrassing date,
00:59:07.120
What about like, is maybe like a discord thing?
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Like you're talking to a guy in discord for like a year and then it turns out he.
00:59:24.760
I met this guy on an app last year and we had talked on the phone like a little bit beforehand,
00:59:32.840
We went on a date to like a really nice restaurant and then he proceeded to tell me like in graphic
00:59:38.140
detail how he had cheated on his or like fiance beforehand.
00:59:41.640
And these two girls were sitting next to me literally texting each other back and forth
00:59:48.060
And I've, I've done that with my friends before where you can see a bad date going on.
00:59:51.340
So you're texting them without talking out loud.
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And so, yeah, it was really, really awkward and weird.
00:59:57.380
I didn't get like really a word in at all edgewise either.
01:00:31.100
It's not so much embarrassing for me, but for them.
01:00:36.440
But so I got catfished and they were 30 minutes late for the date.
01:00:42.960
So there's a, you know how royals throughout the year, the ages, they, they inbred.
01:00:48.100
And when you inbreed, there's certain, uh, physical manifestations of inbreeding.
01:00:55.880
So she had what I can only assume it was called the Habsburg jaw.
01:01:25.900
I thought that was because of open mouth breeding.
01:02:01.480
But I was more upset that she was 30 minutes late.
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She had other redeeming physical characteristics.
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On the positive side, she could probably extend her jaw further.
01:02:24.380
Well, I saw the photos and we did a phone call.
01:03:33.800
Yeah, but she didn't even text to let him know.
01:03:50.680
So then like five minutes after we're supposed to meet.
01:04:34.860
I thought his name was Michael for some reason.
01:04:54.100
I would have done your laundry and folded your thongs neatly and hit the bow.
01:05:35.640
I was waiting about five minutes for the apology.
01:05:37.900
But you know, you're like kind of sitting there.
01:05:56.080
But I wasn't going to like, I wasn't going to do any of the like, conversational foreplay that is typical on a date.
01:06:04.440
I was like, okay, you've already committed a social faux pas.
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I have more respect for you actually right now.
01:06:35.420
Look, I don't have any objections to hooking up on the first date.
01:06:46.100
So you were planning on seeing her after that then?
01:06:47.940
Yeah, because he asked her if she wanted to go back to his house, even with that jaw.
01:07:01.520
You talk about her appearance, how she was not acting nicely.
01:07:06.920
And then you were like, do you still want to bang?
01:07:21.500
Don't make me pull up your pre-fucking millions of surgeries that you've...
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The difference between me and you is I just live with my...
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Don't fucking try to slander my name like that.
01:08:03.600
Yeah, but I don't like when girls come on the show and be like, oh, he was in my DMs.
01:08:11.300
Yeah, but don't play this fucking game of like, don't falsely accuse me of shit that's
01:08:16.240
But I didn't say that you'd message me or anything.
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Did I say that you'd message me or talk to me or anything?
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It was a joke because you didn't answer the question.
01:08:40.880
Not going to lie, this side of Brian's pretty hot.
01:09:17.740
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01:10:36.780
Jamie, you said you're an educated Christian woman who doesn't like the impurity culture
01:10:42.360
And I would like to be a counter voice to the frivolous women of today.
01:11:13.020
This is answer number seven in response to any dating topics takes you want to speak
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That men should pay for everything and be a provider for women they are dating.
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I think this idea pushes women into being unproductive, entitled, and lazy.
01:11:29.160
Then you follow by saying men should provide for their wives with children who are stay
01:11:36.620
But women should never rely on the man for his wallet and should be focused on their education.
01:11:50.000
So if you have children with a man and you want to be a stay at home mother, I think yes,
01:11:55.080
then a man should provide for you and give you that lifestyle if he impregnates you and
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wants that from you or if you want that for yourself.
01:12:03.060
But I feel like if in this culture it's like, oh, we need to date men who are providers
01:12:09.360
and that pushes women into not being educated, not trying to get money for themselves, just
01:12:31.920
You were saying how if your husband provides for you, it disinuates that you get your education,
01:12:41.220
So I have many friends of mine that are stay at home moms and because they're able to
01:12:46.740
be stay at home moms, they also homeschool their kids.
01:12:49.480
So while they're teaching their kids, they're also getting educated because obviously the
01:12:55.520
So while they're teaching their kids, they're learning everything and teaching their kids
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and being a mother in itself is it's a whole career.
01:13:03.620
So that being able to care for a child is a whole education in itself.
01:13:22.680
I'm just talking about if you're a girlfriend to a man, you should not rely on his wallet.
01:13:28.080
There's a difference if you're legally married and then if you divorce, then you'll at least
01:13:34.440
But there's a lot of women who are just girlfriends who rely on a man and it could end at any moment.
01:13:42.940
They just rely on a man and then they have no backup plan, no education, which is, it's
01:13:58.280
But why are you relying on a man's wallet if you have no education, no backup, nothing?
01:14:04.100
It sounds like you've never had a boyfriend to provide for you.
01:14:10.300
Yeah, because I don't need a man to provide for me.
01:14:13.160
I think it's nice when a man pays for everything but isn't your provider.
01:14:18.180
I mean, I think that there's like a complete difference.
01:14:20.400
But I do think that if you're not married, the money needs to be separate.
01:14:24.060
But whenever I was dating my now husband, like I expected him to pay every single time.
01:14:29.340
And that's with him having a very, he was a student and had a part-time job and didn't
01:14:36.840
So if he wasn't going to pay and didn't have the money, then he had to come up with something
01:14:40.720
creative like a picnic because I didn't like to pay.
01:14:45.520
So, but that, but I didn't rely on him financially.
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I think men naturally want to be providers and protectors.
01:14:53.740
And like, when we're looking to date, like right now, like I'm just starting to date
01:14:57.360
someone, but I'm looking for marriage within the end goal in mind.
01:15:03.400
Like you should try to get married younger, but also like be choosy with who you're picking.
01:15:08.160
You shouldn't just pick any guy that has cash or someone that doesn't have any values.
01:15:13.480
And I'm also a Christian woman, someone that loves God first more than anything, but like
01:15:17.640
wants to lay down his life for his like wife that he's looking for.
01:15:21.480
And so like, I think this idea of like hookup culture and like just kind of sleeping around
01:15:25.680
and testing the waters, like is actually really harmful for women.
01:15:28.320
And so we should look for someone that's willing to commit as a provider and protector first,
01:15:34.540
And then once you get married, like you can continue your career, have all those things.
01:15:38.180
But like, ultimately I think what brings satisfactory to women is having children and more than a
01:15:48.260
Um, I'm just, when you're dating someone, you just should not date for financial reasons.
01:15:56.520
You shouldn't date because, oh, they can buy you this or that.
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And a lot of women fall onto like, oh, he has a bag or, oh, he has a good job or this
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And they don't look at the person underneath all of that.
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And it, it messes, it, sorry, I can't curse, but it messes up women.
01:16:16.520
He should be able to provide for a bunch of kids.
01:16:22.660
If you get divorced and you have no money, no career, what are you going to do?
01:16:26.300
How are you going to support the kids that you do have?
01:16:27.960
You shouldn't be like marrying someone that you have any kinds of doubts that you're going
01:16:32.440
Like why are you marrying someone that you think you're going to divorce one day?
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Plus you can't be living in la la land that you're never going to divorce.
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You have to have like, you have to have money just in case.
01:16:43.080
But if that is the case that you have a contingency plan based around divorce, then wouldn't it
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be fair for a man to have the contingency plan of having a prenup?
01:16:55.940
So then that negates your whole point right there.
01:16:59.120
Well, it'll, it'll essentially just know, yeah, it'll know your position, right?
01:17:02.680
Because if you're saying women need to have some type of way to fall back post-divorce
01:17:08.980
and men also should, then essentially the only option then would be a prenup, right?
01:17:21.520
I'm going to literally give you my vagina, but you can't give me like your money.
01:17:38.620
Like what, what, what is, what is the, what is like the great grandiose thing that he's
01:17:45.800
I think it's, I think that, especially from a secular perspective, I can't think of a single
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reason why a secular man should even get married.
01:17:52.000
I can't, I couldn't give you a single secular argument for why a secular man should even
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Let me explain the argument and then respond to it.
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It makes no sense for a secularist to get married.
01:18:07.500
I can't, I've never been able to figure out a really good argument for why.
01:18:11.120
As it turns out, you can get all of the shit that you want from a woman without ever
01:18:15.540
being married to her and putting yourself in that type of situation where you could be set
01:18:20.820
up for a massive amount of pain because the courts are biased towards men when it comes
01:18:26.180
So from a secular perspective, I can't even offer a single argument for why secularists
01:18:33.500
I think that if you get married, it's because you're religious.
01:18:38.700
But the thing is, is that if you enter into a religious marriage with a woman, unfortunately
01:18:45.980
So I would say get a covenant marriage and I would leave the state out of it altogether.
01:18:49.480
I think that having the state involved with marriage licensing is fucking stupid.
01:18:53.700
And if you're getting married for religious purposes, then why aren't you getting married
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Why are you wasting your time with the state at all?
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Entering into the state contract still gives her incentives to eliminate the marriage.
01:19:04.260
And if it gives incentives to eliminate the marriage, you have a big problem on your hands.
01:19:08.460
Well, what I am confused about is that she's arguing that men should have the right to
01:19:12.160
get a prenup, but she's also arguing that men should take care of women after they're
01:19:18.300
Well, she's trying to be consistent with her position, which I have respect for.
01:19:25.640
So she's saying if women are preparing to have a contingency, then it's okay for men
01:19:34.660
I'm so happy that you gave her that out and answered for her.
01:19:45.320
Well, it doesn't need to be mine to explain the position.
01:19:48.580
You know I can understand what a person says and not be speaking for them, right?
01:19:53.720
So I'm not giving an answer from her worldview.
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She's consistently saying if there's an out for one, it's consistent.
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If there's an out for another, I don't even know.
01:20:02.940
Like, what is the actual argument you have against that?
01:20:07.560
So what is the actual argument you have against that?
01:20:09.020
She just said that if a man and a woman get divorced, then the woman should have something
01:20:14.060
to fall back on if the man's taking care of her all their bills.
01:20:18.160
Yeah, but she says that a woman should be falling back on their education and that men
01:20:43.040
I just, all I did was reiterate the position so that you understood it because you clearly
01:20:48.900
Now, it is possible that you just didn't understand what she said, and I'm being very charitable
01:20:55.920
Why would you go against me wanting women to get an education?
01:21:02.800
But I'm also not against men paying for women's everything.
01:21:11.540
And I'm saying even if they're dating, I don't think, I don't see anything wrong with that.
01:21:17.340
I don't think we should take advantage of men, like, during the dating space.
01:21:20.460
If they're willing to do it on their own, like you said, it's innate for them.
01:21:26.480
In a marriage, when you're committed to someone for your whole entire life and you've made
01:21:31.160
that commitment and you've said no to everybody else but just to that person.
01:21:34.220
But if you're going around just looking for different men that you can just take advantage
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of and just take things from, then that's wrong.
01:21:41.800
And I didn't say I wanted to take advantage of men.
01:21:52.880
Yeah, I mean, but let's not end it there because I do want to know.
01:21:56.800
I do want to kind of explore, like, so they gave their positions on this, right?
01:22:02.280
Um, I said I think that it's totally okay for a man to provide for a woman in the dating
01:22:13.660
So do you think that a prenup is acceptable for a man?
01:22:18.960
If the woman's dumb enough to not know that she can also have a say in the prenup, that's
01:22:25.080
So then what is your actual objection if she says that the woman can fall back on her education,
01:22:38.200
Because I was questioning her because she was, like, being, she was, like, countering her
01:22:55.400
Well, somebody needed to elaborate because you didn't, I mean, it's such a simple kind.
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She's just saying one falls back on this, the other falls back on that.
01:23:04.580
But, I mean, at least I understood what the hell she said, right?
01:23:09.700
Not sure what I missed, but let me quickly address this here because I'm getting not
01:23:18.920
only gaslit by a panelist, but also gaslit by the chat.
01:23:41.440
We've had other women come on the show who say that I'm in their DMs or say that I'm
01:23:45.680
subscribed to their OnlyFans to try to get a clip or to try to, you know, kind of break
01:23:52.720
So, you tried to gaslight me and say, no, that's not what I said.
01:23:58.360
And for the chat who's also gaslighting me, this is what she said, excuse me, this is
01:24:31.560
I feel like you should sing the I'm Sorry song.
01:24:34.600
Because you're dressed up like Jessica Rabbit and she was a singer.
01:24:37.800
So, I thought, you know, you could sing the I'm Sorry song.
01:24:49.500
Of course, there's a woman singing I'm Sorry, so I'm not surprised that most women don't know the song.
01:25:02.320
No, my wife usually doesn't have anything to be sorry about.
01:25:23.120
I 100% agree with that because anything could be dealt upon in litigation.
01:25:32.680
Andrew, can you tune me into what you guys were talking about while I was gone?
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So we were getting into the idea of contingency plans for marriage.
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The idea being women should fall back on education was what the gal, the one blonde gal on the panel was saying.
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Yeah, it was what Jamie was saying was she thinks that men should be able to fall back.
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Women should be able to fall back on education.
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And so I questioned this by asking then is it fair for men to fall back on a prenuptial agreement?
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And then the meta argument was about whether or not she said that or not.
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She didn't say that women should be able to fall back on education.
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She said they should be able to fall back on their ex-husband's finances.
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And then if they want to be stay-at-home mothers, that would be great.
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So the straw man that you're making is what she said was there is a way for married women to fall back
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So she's saying if we absent that, then you would end up with them having to fall back on their education
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And it's still a consistent argument, at least.
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So you don't have to have child support for your ex-partner to pay for your lifestyle after marriage.
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I thought you were saying that once you're married, you need to get an education to fall back on it.
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Like, you're going to get an education because you're thinking, like, your marriage is going to fail.
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And I do feel like she kind of switched it after that to be totally fair.
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But once the argument was clear, that wasn't what you were arguing against.
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You were arguing against a totally different argument.
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You're the one who elaborated until we all understood.
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I'm, like, actually listening to what people are saying.
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Somebody in the chat is asking me to ask about your multiple personalities.
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Did you guys have a back and forth on this whole who should pay thing?
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Or not who should pay, but you said men should pay for everything and be a provider for women.
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You did say it, but I'll grant if you misspoke.
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I mean, like, is, okay, maybe I possibly misspoke, but I don't think, like, dating.
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I don't mean, sorry, maybe not everything as in, like, their rent, their lifestyle, their car.
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If you are dating a man and he should pay for the date.
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I was thinking, like, maybe in, like, gay, sorry, gay relationships, there's other things,
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like a woman and a woman or a man and a man, like.
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We're talking about heterosexual relationships.
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Um, it kind of gives you a glimpse of what a marriage will look like, so it's just kind
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of, like, him paying for the food, like, a little glimpse of the future when he's, like,
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Can I say, um, I actually, like, I think I have a weird opinion on this.
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Like, I'm okay building a man up, like, supporting him while being the girlfriend and him not
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Like, I don't, I shouldn't expect a man who's my age, like, 23, to be able to be financially,
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like, providing for literally everything, you know?
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If a man asks you on a date, which presumably the woman does not ask a man on a date, let's
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say, like, and if that's so, then the person who asked the person on a date should pay.
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I think that's just manners, so I'm just presuming the man would ask the woman on a date, and
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I think then, yes, a man should pay for the date.
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Let me give you a little bit of pushback on it, though.
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So, the idea here being, if the man asks, the man should pay, and so it's kind of assumed,
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that because men are going to do most of the asking, that men are going to be paying for
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So, the thing is, though, is that I assume that the woman's going on the date because she
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So, then I don't understand why, if she wants to be there, why shouldn't she pay?
01:31:12.220
It's like, if I asked a friend, if I'm like, you want to go to a rock concert this week?
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And he's like, yeah, doesn't mean I pay for the rock concert, right?
01:31:22.080
Yeah, what does that have to do with anything, though?
01:31:24.220
What does the courtship portion of it have to do with anything?
01:31:27.440
I assume that they also want to court you, or they wouldn't go on the date, right?
01:31:33.840
Yeah, so, I mean, if that's the case, she wants to be there, and he wants to be there.
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If a man did want to go 50-50 with me on a date, I wouldn't be like, whoa, no, or think
01:31:49.080
I just think, like, that's the standard for a man to, or the person who asked to pay.
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A man is supposed to be a provider and protector.
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This is, like, the order of things men, like, are supposed to be able to provide for their
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And this is setting a standard for the rest of their relationship.
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I'm not saying that, like, or, like, later on, like, maybe you're dating for a year or
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two years, that a woman can never pay for anything.
01:32:15.720
Like, personally, like, I like to treat, like, whoever I'm dating, like, every once in a
01:32:19.860
while, just because I think it's nice, and, like, to show that, like, hey, I'm also financially
01:32:25.120
But a man is supposed to take control in that kind of a way, and to provide for the girl that
01:32:33.700
It's a, it's a, it's actually a fallacious form of thinking, right?
01:32:37.300
Oh, men should pay because it's natural that men have always paid.
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It's like, that's not a good argument, especially in modernity.
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Like, why is that, why is that necessary that men pay to take you on a date?
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If you don't want to be on the date, then you're just fleecing him, right?
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If you don't want to be on the date, just don't go.
01:33:00.840
It's like, if you don't want to be on the date, then just don't go.
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But I assume if you want to be on the date, why is it assumed he's going to be
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That's the part where we're having the disconnect.
01:33:11.240
Well, can I say, so for example, I also think of it like, you know, whenever birds are trying
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to mate, it's the male birds that are the prettiest.
01:33:25.400
So whenever the man is paying for the dinner, that's him dancing.
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And black widow spiders will have sex with a mate and then kill them and lay their young
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Like looking at animals to determine how human beings are supposed to behave with each other
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That's why it's a fallacious form of thinking and argumentation.
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It's like, okay, I can bring up all sorts of counter examples of black widow spiders
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It's like, is that the way we should do things?
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Should women sleep with a man, then kill him, and then lay their babies inside the man?
01:34:03.380
We should be more like black widows, in my opinion.
01:34:10.560
I feel like if you guys are unsure if you're going to fully commit to each other yet, like
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are you still in the getting to know each other phase?
01:34:19.320
Um, and then like once you get in a committed relationship, I do believe like, and she said
01:34:26.960
So like, yeah, maybe he pays for some days, but maybe I ask him out too and I pay for some
01:34:35.060
I think it ultimately goes back to like our natural design, right?
01:34:39.920
I believe that he created a natural order for things.
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I believe that there's a certain way that we are to live.
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And so in that, like God created man first and then he created woman to be the helper.
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And so you're asking, God didn't create, wait, God did not create the modern social order
01:35:02.880
If you look at this, like the Bible and read the Bible and the New Testament.
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And I'm going to tell you again, that the idea in the Bible that men must pay for dates
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does not exist absent your brain, your headcanon that you just made up.
01:35:17.060
Where should I look at the Bible for men pay for dates?
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Is that under, I just made that shit up, chapter nine?
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You can look at husbands love your wives and wives submit to your husbands.
01:35:35.100
There's not too much about dating in the Bible, if anything at all.
01:35:38.840
Because what we have is we have a societal construct for how that works.
01:35:43.260
And appealing to the Bible and saying, this means that men have to pay for dates.
01:35:49.260
I mean, how do you even come to this conclusion?
01:35:53.980
Why should men pay for a date in modernity with women?
01:35:58.940
Are they bringing chastity and virtue and virginity?
01:36:02.000
So, why is it that we are going to assume that based on this chivalrous code where people
01:36:06.800
would kill each other for the virginity of m'lady, if there is no more m'lady, what
01:36:11.800
the hell are we killing each other and paying for exactly?
01:36:14.800
Are you even arguing about something that you care about?
01:36:17.200
Because something tells me that you would pay for a first date, for the first few dates.
01:36:23.620
What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
01:36:28.200
How would that be talking out of my ass to press your position?
01:36:38.440
Should I tell a five-year-old that they should be able to smoke because I also smoke?
01:36:45.580
No, because it's the stupidest shit anybody's ever heard.
01:36:50.920
Oh, so I'm a hypocrite if I don't tell a five-year-old to smoke because I smoke?
01:36:56.460
Okay, so if a person takes medicinal drugs for pain, should they tell a five-year-old
01:37:09.620
Well, then let me ask you a series of questions.
01:37:15.600
Why isn't it mad at another person again the rest of your fucking life who lies to you
01:37:26.000
If everybody's a hypocrite and you're a hypocrite, then calling me a hypocrite means fucking nothing.
01:37:32.080
You're a hypocrite and you're arguing about something you don't even follow yourself.
01:37:36.660
I know, but I'm not going to go on and on and argue about something that I don't follow.
01:37:42.280
So if everyone's a hypocrite, then it doesn't fucking matter.
01:38:04.580
And I'm not going to take lip from a woman with a gunt ever.
01:38:18.240
I actually, I don't think I can give the definition.
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Because you're going to say something that I don't get.
01:38:36.580
I think that there are a lot of women, including myself, that are bringing abstinence and chastity to the table,
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And that is something that is, I believe, on the rise.
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So I've got to come in on this really quick, and I'll kind of wrap it into what you just said there.
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You said you're bringing abstinence and chastity.
01:39:03.560
I mean, like, yeah, not in my, like, I only have been with one person, my ex of seven years.
01:39:09.880
And then I, like, have committed myself to chastity.
01:39:16.560
Who's standard, like, what's your, the whole panel, should men pay for first dates?
01:39:30.160
Yes, but after he explained it, I'd be okay going 50-50.
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I think I made a really big mistake in my life, and it was before I was really walking with God
01:39:59.100
and really didn't have any morals, and so if I could go back, I would take it back.
01:40:11.020
My husband was my first, so I was a virgin the entire time dating him.
01:40:20.220
Should women stay at home, let the man work, and take care of the kids?
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For a fatty area below the belly button and above the pubic area of a woman, often as
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a result of childbirth, weight gain, or just having a totally normal body.
01:40:59.840
So, should women stay at home and raise the kids?
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I think it's situational, but I think no, if they also have goals they want to pursue.
01:41:09.340
Yes, there should be at least one stay at home parent.
01:41:22.900
I think that women should do whatever they want to do.
01:41:25.720
So, if they want to be a stay at home mom and take care of the kids.
01:41:40.260
Like, if I was going into the marriage and that's what he wanted me to do, then I should.
01:41:48.760
So, no, but I mean, it depends on each situation and how you guys have started dating and going into marriage.
01:41:59.740
It's just interesting to me because we don't really have a problem saying men should do this.
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When it comes to their gender roles, their traditional gender roles, men should be protectors, men should lead, men should be dominant, men should be masculine, men should, should, should, men should pay for first dates.
01:42:15.940
But then when we look at women's traditional gender roles, those seem to be far more flexible in the current social order.
01:42:22.860
Well, women shouldn't have to fall into their traditional gender roles, but men, we need to hold men to their 1950s sexist.
01:42:36.340
If I were to say women should not go to work and they should stay home and take care of the kids, half of you would call me a sexist.
01:42:45.140
But you wouldn't have objections really, I think, if, and I don't think any of you really do object, if we say men should pay for first dates, which is a traditional gender role and is essentially sexist.
01:43:00.460
If it's sexist to say a woman should do this, then it must correspondingly be sexist to say men should do this.
01:43:12.740
I don't think it's sexist of you to say that women should stay home.
01:43:16.660
Well, keep in mind, I'm not, I'm not saying that.
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I think that if, everyone should do what the fuck they want to do.
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In my opinion, I want, if I'm having someone's child, that's what I want.
01:43:32.680
If they don't want to, then they're not the man for me and I'm not the woman for them.
01:43:40.160
I agree with what you're saying, but I have a question of what you were saying like 10 minutes ago.
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You said a woman should be, have something to rely on.
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What if your man would pass away, do not have money, then you can do something to provide food.
01:43:57.920
I think you mean it in a safety way, not in a must way, I think.
01:44:03.480
Then a woman would be safe if something would happen and then she has a little back.
01:44:12.600
I think that a woman does have a gender role and there are things that women should do.
01:44:17.260
We're called to be nurturers and to raise up our children.
01:44:26.520
But it seems like women's roles are a bit more malleable, whereas there's not quite as
01:44:35.820
For example, Nicolette, you said, well, if a woman, if she wants to be a boss babe and do
01:44:43.060
But also, she can also be a single, or a stay-at-home mom and take care of the household.
01:44:48.320
But you were very strong on men should pay for first dates.
01:44:55.460
I don't like that word should, but that's how you asked me.
01:44:58.140
Okay, well, I can ask it a different way, though.
01:45:01.200
If you went on a date with a guy and he said two checks, will there be a second date?
01:45:07.340
I mean, that's another way to ask that question.
01:45:12.840
Would you build a man up if he's studying very hard and is getting somewhere in his life?
01:45:22.200
Would you help him because you're making already money?
01:45:27.720
Or is it a no-go if he would be like, you know what, I would love to take you on a date,
01:45:31.460
but I cannot pay it for, but I really like you.
01:45:38.600
Personally, myself, I turned 25 in a couple of weeks.
01:45:42.940
And even if I did in my seven-year relationship from 15 to 22, just like you, he still provided for me.
01:45:52.300
So how can he really be already that top-level man already?
01:46:00.440
So then I'm going to look something different than you would.
01:46:03.020
That's okay, but it's quite a lot of pressure you put on a man, right?
01:46:08.940
Men's prime is typically actually like early 30s, I'm pretty sure.
01:46:12.600
So they're like still building themselves up during their 20s.
01:46:20.200
That's why like with the last guy that I liked, I understood he's still going to school.
01:46:24.680
And I would support him, you know, if he needed help studying, like I'd be there with him, you know, trying to be like flashcards, you know, like little stuff like that.
01:46:46.020
But that's also like then you provide from him, right?
01:46:48.600
So you will not help a man up, but you want a man to help you up.
01:46:56.600
And you want something different that doesn't make me wrong or you right or vice versa.
01:47:04.520
And for example, I want to run the race with them, basically.
01:47:09.740
When I met my husband, he was going to full-time...
01:47:12.380
He went to full-time school and worked part-time.
01:47:21.060
And I loved when he would pay, but our dates look like we're going to go get coffee or we're
01:47:30.680
And it was great because he had to be really creative with what he had.
01:47:34.260
So I didn't expect to go on luxurious dates at all.
01:47:38.340
But I did expect him to, like, if you don't have money, then go buy like a loaf of bread
01:47:44.140
and we're going to go give them to the ducks at the lake or something.
01:47:49.120
And I saw how he was working extremely hard in school to one day, you know, be a provider
01:47:56.900
There's multiple ways to be chivalrous as well, in my opinion, like opening doors or like,
01:48:01.780
you know, I've had a man even like buckle me into my seat and like stuff like that,
01:48:07.960
You know, maybe he can't pay for the bill, but he'll cut my food for me because he knows
01:48:11.100
I like it in small pieces, like stuff like that.
01:48:13.520
There's little things that men can do to show acts of kindness without money being involved.
01:48:17.900
But also keep in mind, I'm a stripper and I do OnlyFans.
01:48:25.860
You cannot say you're a valuable woman if you fuck every guy.
01:48:29.360
Yes, it's high because people just, men give me money for nothing.
01:48:35.680
So in the six years, in the six years of me doing OnlyFans, I've done four male scenes.
01:48:40.780
So you want a man that's high value only commits to you, but you can go to your job and be like,
01:48:52.060
So my definition of high value is different than yours.
01:48:55.300
So you're being naked every strip week is me accepting, you accepting more of a man.
01:49:03.780
In your perspective, I don't deserve a high value man.
01:49:17.520
And that's their decision, which makes my pool of men much smaller.
01:49:23.720
So then your pool of men will be more high value pool than.
01:49:27.420
And like I said, everyone at this table's definition of high value is completely different.
01:49:34.520
So if you say that, I can't say, oh, yes, high value, high value.
01:49:37.960
I'm explaining to you my definition of high value.
01:49:40.780
A high value man, to my opinion, is someone who will respect my work, respect my past, and still want to do that stuff for me.
01:49:50.280
I can concede that the definitions that everybody will have of high value would be different.
01:49:56.040
But you would also have to concede that there's going to be uniformities which are agreed upon about what is not high value.
01:50:02.260
So, for instance, let me give you an example of this in real time.
01:50:05.900
At the table, raise your hand if a high value man beats the shit out of you.
01:50:14.980
So then we can rule many things out as at least not being that thing.
01:50:23.900
So if we can rule a bunch of things out that aren't the thing, I think we can at least get somewhat closer to the agreement of what the thing itself is.
01:50:31.140
So when you're talking about high value, don't you think that society, especially women, would view men who have more money than men who have less money as being probably more valuable, all things equal?
01:50:43.420
Meaning if they have the same looks, generally the same personality, one just happens to be far richer, don't you think that one would be considered generally more high valuable than the other by almost everybody's metric?
01:50:54.240
I agree with you completely, and what's actually people don't realize or don't want to admit is that OnlyFans, girls, and strippers, we get the most high value men approaching us.
01:51:07.780
No, because they're paying you for a good time.
01:51:11.200
You're definitely not marrying them, and you're definitely not ending up with them, and that's definitely not who you end up getting a ring from and living the happily ever after Julia Roberts Pretty Woman life with you.
01:51:23.960
I will agree that for a time in your youth that many of what you would consider these traits for high value, you know, Ridge, Handsome, this type of thing, probably do approach you around that age group, but I'm not sure what that proves exactly or what that means exactly.
01:51:43.080
That story of that first date I went on where the guy brought me flowers on his birthday, five-star restaurant, I met him at the strip club, I've met his parents, he wants to pursue something serious with me, so your point is wrong.
01:52:03.640
I see so many tales of kind of former prostitutes and former strippers on panels like these, hundreds upon hundreds of them all across the world, being interviewed by various people where they say, man, I really wish I hadn't done that because later in life it brought my value down such that I could not net the thing that I truly wanted.
01:52:24.900
When I was in my 20s, men would utilize this for their own gain, but they were never putting a ring on it.
01:52:31.360
So the reason why they do that is because by doing OnlyFans or by being prostitutes, they did something that went against their morals and values.
01:52:41.280
I don't think they're doing, they're not talking about morals and values.
01:52:45.900
They don't have any objective morals or values.
01:52:48.660
They just say the thing that I wanted later in life.
01:52:51.580
And that's the problem and why they're unhappy in their lifestyle.
01:52:54.500
I can sleep at night saying I have not done anything that goes against my morals and values and I'm happy.
01:53:03.240
I'm not saying it's against your morals or your values, though.
01:53:12.680
Well, you said why do so many girls on these panels who are ex-prostitutes or whatever...
01:53:16.820
Your argument to that was to say it's because they did something which violated their morals or values.
01:53:22.700
I'm telling you, no, they don't have any objective morals or values.
01:53:25.760
They're saying this is fine within my moral paradigm.
01:53:28.820
It's just that it made me miserable later in life because, as it turns out, when you're 35 and you fuck 200 men
01:53:35.540
and the beauty which is now fleeted, most men look at that and go, well, I'd rather not have that.
01:53:44.980
Do you still date that man because he gave you everything?
01:53:55.920
Why it's okay for you to do all these things but not okay for him to do all those things?
01:54:10.560
I mean, if people think too fucking much about life and right and wrong and all this shit,
01:54:15.720
just fucking do what makes you happy at the end of the day.
01:54:23.760
Should a serial killer be a serial killer because it makes them happy?
01:54:26.560
As long as you're doing it doesn't affect other people, I don't really give a fuck.
01:54:30.440
Yeah, but everything you do affects other people.
01:54:34.400
There's nothing you do which does not affect other people.
01:54:37.460
Right now you're speaking, that affects other people.
01:54:40.400
You going to the grocery store, that affects other people.
01:54:46.720
You know that everything you do doesn't affect other people is absurd.
01:54:54.560
Brixen, I see you brought the Brain Trust featuring Nicolette.
01:55:01.280
Nicolette, you will always be the disposable side chick.
01:55:19.640
Andrew, did you want to continue on with the...
01:55:22.280
Yeah, I'd just like to point this out, that the idea that do whatever you want because
01:55:27.740
it makes you happy as long as it doesn't affect other people, in and of itself is absurd
01:55:31.440
because basically everything you do affects somebody else.
01:55:35.340
I mean, almost everything I can think of really affects somebody else.
01:55:38.560
So, if that is the case, then doesn't it make it everybody's business what you do ultimately
01:55:46.440
Well, clearly, you don't give a fuck what you do, how it affects other people because
01:55:49.880
you insulted me earlier by using a term I didn't even know.
01:56:02.560
So, if everybody's a hypocrite, it's meaningless, right?
01:56:15.940
And the reason you use an argument from hypocrisy is because you have no arguments.
01:56:21.220
And so, what you do is you use arguments from hypocrisy because you view hypocrisy as being
01:56:26.720
like that of a thief or that of somebody who has nefarious intentions.
01:56:31.820
You don't even know what the hell you're talking about.
01:56:33.300
So, backing up, real quick, even if I was a hypocrite, can you negate my argument or
01:56:41.820
My argument is that everything people do affects other people.
01:56:45.500
So, just making the blanket statement, wait a second, you should be able to do whatever
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you want as long as it doesn't affect anybody, doesn't mean anything.
01:56:56.200
So, as long as it doesn't affect people in a negative way.
01:57:07.780
I think we know how we make determinations of things.
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We would use intuition, feelings, logic, reason, all sorts of different things.
01:57:14.480
And according to my feelings, reason, logic, I don't think what I'm doing is hurting other
01:57:19.360
people except you because you seem really triggered right now.
01:57:25.380
Well, you've been freaking out, like the entire panel you've been freaking out.
01:57:29.880
Maybe if I had a cigarette, I'd be just chill too.
01:57:31.820
And by the way, just saying you're freaking out, also not an argument, I wish you would
01:57:36.720
Do people not use intuition and logic and reason to make all sorts of judgment evaluations
01:57:50.220
Yeah, so, I mean, don't you think intuitively most people, for instance, wouldn't let their
01:58:02.140
No, even if it was legal, do you think they would then?
01:58:24.260
I'm not asking if it's legal, and I'm not asking if it's moral.
01:58:27.180
I'm asking if you think people would just let them do that because it was legal.
01:58:33.460
Well, in other countries, six-year-olds are legal, and they're marrying adults.
01:58:39.340
Yeah, we're talking about here in the United States, the country that we're in.
01:58:43.140
So, you said it doesn't matter if it's illegal, right?
01:58:46.540
Yeah, even if it was not illegal, most people would still not let their children watch your
01:58:52.480
Well, that's probably not true, because if you go to other countries...
01:59:01.020
So, you wait, I just want to make sure I got this right.
01:59:02.880
If it wasn't a crime, you think most mothers would allow their six-year-olds to watch your
01:59:09.540
Well, a lot of mothers in other countries marry off their six-year-olds.
01:59:13.520
No, mothers in other countries aren't letting their six-year-olds watch OnlyFans.
01:59:17.400
What fucking delusional shit, and what type of methamphetamine are you smoking that you
01:59:22.500
think in other countries, mothers are letting their children watch OnlyFans, girl?
01:59:28.580
I'm not saying it's right, but by your logic, you're saying, oh, if it wasn't illegal.
01:59:32.460
In other countries where shit is not illegal, that's illegal here, they're doing great shit.
01:59:38.240
I just said, for example, marrying off their six-year-olds.
01:59:41.220
Yeah, that's a completely distinct argument from this one that I'm making.
01:59:46.680
Do you think that in other countries, even other countries, that if it were legal for
01:59:52.700
mothers to allow their six-, seven-, eight-year-olds to watch your OnlyFans, that they would do
01:59:58.080
That they'd be like, sure, little Johnny, go ahead.
02:00:06.580
Well, then there's some kind of shared intuition here for how you are negatively affecting tons
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and tons and tons of people, because if your assumption is that little Johnny would, if
02:00:16.860
mommy didn't say no, then your intuition's saying that you have a negative impact, isn't
02:00:23.460
Well, according to my knowledge, feelings, and reasons, I'm not aware of any six-year-olds watching
02:00:29.980
my OnlyFans, and if they are, that says a lot to speak about the mother and the parents
02:00:41.220
They shouldn't be, because my content is under a paywall where you have to be 18 years old
02:00:46.260
Yeah, right, I get that, but what I'm saying is that there's a shared intuition there,
02:00:50.200
then, that you share with them, and so this has an effect on all of, you doing your
02:00:56.180
OnlyFans, in other words, has an effect on people, because if nobody did
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OnlyFans, no mother anywhere would have to worry about little Johnny watching OnlyFans,
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Well, if you want to put it that way, I think everything in life is about intent.
02:01:09.700
My intent is not for little Johnny to be jacking off to my OnlyFans, it's for little
02:01:17.580
My intent when I was drunk driving wasn't to mow down that family with my car, so therefore
02:01:24.200
I mean, if you want to, you're right, you're right, you're right.
02:01:29.460
We're not getting anywhere with this conversation.
02:01:32.380
So, one more time, following your logic then, if I was a drunk driver and said, was it my
02:01:36.080
intent to hit anybody, and I did, I didn't do anything wrong, right?
02:01:43.640
Your logic, your argument to me was, I think everything revolves around intent.
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So, if that is the case, and if I was a drunk driver and mowed down an entire family, well,
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I didn't actually do anything wrong, because that wasn't my intent, right?
02:01:57.060
Well, you could say that for everyone at this table.
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Everyone has done things unintentionally to hurt other people.
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You know what non-psychopathic, non-narcissistic, non-lunatics do?
02:02:09.400
They do something unintentionally to hurt other people, and they know that they've hurt another
02:02:13.700
They usually do something about that so that they don't hurt people in the future, except, you
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know, prostitutes, OnlyFans, women, people who make post-hoc justifications for the horrible
02:02:20.920
things that they do, which is horrible for all of society, they just make what I call
02:02:25.700
cope arguments, where they say, no, it's okay, because I'm not hurting anybody, even
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though, obviously, they share the same intuitions that I do, that it's bad for society.
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All this talk about serial killing is making me hungry.
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My intention was to just get some of his blood for a science project.
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Yeah, thank you, Kill of Serial, for the TTS, man.
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Do you want to continue, Andrew, or do you have more?
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Maybe we'll come back to that a little bit later, but going back to your notes, Jamie,
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you said that, let's see, also how a woman dresses directly correlates to how she's viewed
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A lot of women don't seem to understand this, and it's a pressing topic to be viewed as a
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We should accordingly, and I think it ends there.
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Yes, if we want to be viewed in a respectful manner by anyone, not just men, but women as
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Everyone has a choice, but I just choose to dress respectfully.
02:04:00.860
Here, I'll read chats while you guys are playing musical chairs.
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There we have Pelagic 6, giving the narcissist what they want.
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So, narcissists, they don't give a shit about other people's feelings, in my opinion.
02:04:32.980
I genuinely, I mean, it sounds kind of like, oh, if you say you're empathetic, like, people
02:04:48.600
So, I don't, I wouldn't consider myself a narcissist at all.
02:04:54.940
I wouldn't say you're a narcissist more than, like, not just you specifically, but, like,
02:05:01.460
And, like, I think that when we don't have, like, a view of God and, like, a way that we
02:05:04.920
should live, like, people will live for themselves and how to get ahead in life.
02:05:08.720
It's, a lot of things are very transactional and we want to see what we can get out of
02:05:12.300
people and we just live however we feel like and what we want to and then see what can
02:05:19.900
Are you not scared of dating this man you met at a strip club?
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Because he has a little bit of an obsession with you because he met you at a strip club.
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He's paying for you, maybe paying for your page.
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Because why would he, like, pay for you at the strip club everywhere?
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Like, oh, my God, he's not seeing me for me, but, like, me for everything.
02:05:47.680
Anytime we've ever gone on a date, I don't wear makeup.
02:05:51.060
Like, so it's not that I give out this idea, oh, you know, I'm a stripper or whatever.
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But I'm saying I don't, like, portray myself as that way.
02:06:06.680
No, because he dated you out of, like, an obsession way, right?
02:06:12.680
Well, any man that I date, I want him to be obsessed with me.
02:06:24.460
No, the obsession and, like, wanting your partner to be obsessed with you.
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And I want to be obsessed with my partner, too.
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Like, in the environment you met in, that's a little bit scary now, right?
02:06:35.520
In fact, the men that I've dated in that environment, they treat me way better than the guys I've met not in that environment.
02:06:46.160
Ron Biggs says, 33M, 50K a year, secular, seeking trad relationship.
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My salary isn't enough to fully support a family if my girlfriend has to work, too.
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First date tomorrow since my ex-fiancee cheated five years ago.
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I say that, like, you know, if someone's really in it because they love you and you have good morals and, like, they're in the relationship, then, yeah.
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And what I will say is, yes, I'm talking all this shit about what I want.
02:07:26.720
Have I ever experienced that where a man pays my rent, my car?
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And if they didn't do that, if they at least pay for the date, I'm okay with that.
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Andrew, did you get the last message that come through?
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Seeking trad relationships, salary isn't enough.
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If my girlfriend has to work too, I can still expect trad behavior.
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I think I would have to ask him a couple of questions to clarify what this position is.
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I don't think that all women are necessarily shallow and just kind of like evil bitches,
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I think there's plenty of women who aren't and that they reject materialism as a whole.
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Though I think that you have to hunt, that they're few and far between.
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But there seems to be plenty of red flags that can be pointed out so that you can make those
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determinations moving in to kind of match those preferences.
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Can I also comment on whenever you're going on dates and that man wants a trad wife, even
02:08:59.140
though he's not making a lot of money, usually we know that if we see that that man is working
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extremely hard, even though he's not making a lot of money, typically if the woman has
02:09:09.440
a baby, the man usually increases his income by a ton just because that provider comes out.
02:09:23.960
For those of you who don't know, you should go subscribe to that channel.
02:09:27.120
He's a great satirical YouTuber, but he also is trying to make a demonstration of logical
02:09:33.660
arguments via mathematics, which is a lot of fun to watch because he visually demonstrates them.
02:09:38.320
But he points this out that one of the things that's often missed by modern women is the
02:09:45.060
Like these men would give you what it is that they want or that you want.
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There's not a position yet to do it, but they're working towards being in a position to do it.
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And so you should net those men early if you can.
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And yet they're kind of rejected based on the fact that they can't do it right now.
02:10:01.840
And that's kind of the one that you're making, right?
02:10:04.260
Like you're what I looked for in a man to marry was not money was it was more of his
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ambitious ambition, because if he didn't have money, that's fine.
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But if he had ambition, I knew that he would take care of me no matter what.
02:10:24.080
My husband didn't make a lot of money whatsoever.
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He comes from a family that is their missionaries.
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So they don't have any money and basically we got married and we started having kids and
02:10:36.140
my husband was very stressed for, for a while and his income grew and grew and grew.
02:10:41.520
And, and I have the option to be, uh, not grew and grew like that, but just like, you
02:10:46.300
know, if I wanted to be a stay at home, um, mom, like I have the option to, so, um, right.
02:10:52.320
So I mean, the potential, the potential for that to happen was there.
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And so I, I think that that's what the demonstration of his point is, is like, so, so often what
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happened, like 20 year old, 25 year old, uh, even 26, 27, 28, 29, they're probably not going
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to be very established until they reach their thirties and their forties.
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It's very difficult to do at a young age because you're getting experience in the workplace
02:11:17.620
So you might have a life for the first five, six, seven, eight, nine years with your significant
02:11:22.920
other before you start really reaping the rewards.
02:11:27.580
I think as long as you recognize the discipline, the hard work, the commitment, I think that's
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really all that matters and you support him on his way up.
02:11:37.520
So going back to you, uh, you said that how a woman dresses directly correlates to how she's
02:11:43.020
So you're talking about dressing modestly, right?
02:11:46.860
Uh, I did see something on your Tik TOK though.
02:11:52.240
Um, then I thought it was, I think Andrew will find it potentially interesting too.
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Uh, you don't even need to play it or might be controversial, but God doesn't care what
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you wear, who you love or what music you listen to.
02:12:21.120
Humans just wrote those rules to upkeep social order.
02:12:25.020
I gotta say this was before I studied the Bible.
02:12:36.520
Hold on, but I guess I'm, I'm detecting a little bit of, uh, contradiction here because
02:12:42.880
on one hand, in your pre-show notes, you say how women dresses directly correlates.
02:12:51.220
Yeah, this was, um, when I was like, I was going through it and then, um, I strayed away
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from the church and I went to this, uh, church of all religions.
02:13:04.440
I strayed away from the Christian church and I went to a church of all religions.
02:13:13.240
And then I went there for about like three weeks and kind of got this idea of, um.
02:13:33.300
Before, Andrew, before we dive into the religious component, can you clarify the contradiction?
02:13:38.600
So in your pre-show notes, you say how a woman dresses directly correlates to how she's
02:13:43.040
viewed in society, uh, and it seems like you're a proponent of dressing modestly.
02:13:49.420
Yes, but however, in your TikTok from just a few months ago, you say, Nick, pull it up really
02:13:58.640
So I assume this is kind of coming from the angle of, uh, God doesn't care if you dress
02:14:06.660
In that TikTok, yes, but I would say my views have changed since then.
02:14:11.880
I probably should, um, sassy, but I just pin my most viewed TikToks because to the top
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of my page, I should, I should actually not unpin it.
02:14:28.780
Um, I've become more of a traditionalist in recent months.
02:14:36.220
Well, all right, chat, everyone keep an eye on her TikTok, see if she deletes it.
02:14:43.820
Would you say that you were on a spiritual journey?
02:14:48.040
But now I'm, I'm just more into the Christian church and all that.
02:14:52.000
I, I went to a church of our religions for like my entire life pretty much.
02:14:56.980
Um, but lately I've been getting closer to God and wanting to be more in the Christian church
02:15:03.640
So, so to, to kind of caveat, I want to make sure I get these views down.
02:15:20.440
And I mean, so I would, I would agree with you.
02:15:23.320
I mean, Deuteronomy speaks to this specifically, but, uh, but I'm asking, does God care who you
02:15:40.880
So the, so in order to adhere to Christian ethics, who you love and what you wear does
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You guys can all watch it though, before I delete it.
02:15:59.820
We'll get back to some of your other notes a little bit later on in the show.
02:16:04.200
Uh, you did say you've been celibate, celibate for six years.
02:16:07.120
Um, did you used to be, um, politics wise, are you, would you describe yourself as a bit
02:16:13.900
more conservative or, did you used to be a bit more on the liberal side or?
02:16:21.380
And, um, uh, what, have you always been like, so you're Christian ish now?
02:16:34.620
But I was going to like, um, church of all religions.
02:16:37.680
So we like talked about all different types of religious texts.
02:16:43.120
And kind of the main theme of them all is just loving thy neighbor pretty much.
02:16:56.340
Because I, I want to save myself and I think it's, it's just an, it's an all out negative
02:17:15.480
I think she's talking about saving herself for marriage.
02:17:24.780
Well, that's what I thought she was talking about.
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I'm going to designate an official message reader.
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She helped me get a bachelor's and two masters now, making.
02:17:58.360
Look for the potential in a partner, not what they currently do.
02:18:49.180
If you're feeling attacked on a personal level, you expressed your opinion about that, and then
02:18:52.260
people turn your opinion back onto you to tell you that you are crazy or bad for sharing
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Thank you for the Merriam-Webster definition of gaslighting.
02:19:04.260
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Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10.
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And then we're going to start here and then go around the table.
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I think I'm a 4, but when I'm skinny, I'm an 8.
02:20:53.600
Last time I said that because I've been on the show enough times to know it's a trick question.
02:20:58.880
Anyone who rates themselves a 10, your argument, oh, so that means there's no room for improvement
02:22:08.680
So going around the table once more, do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time,
02:22:17.780
And in my opinion, women in their 30s are at their peak.
02:22:34.420
You said you're a 10, but you're going to be better looking at 34.
02:22:52.240
Because that's exactly what I said you were going to say.
02:22:59.300
But even if that was true and you predicted it, it doesn't make it any less valuable to
02:23:03.680
note what you personally assess yourself as, looks-wise, when it comes to the opposite sex.
02:23:14.860
Every time I come on the show, I think I get hotter.
02:23:38.360
That was probably, like, what, over a year ago?
02:24:45.180
I've gained weight in my ass and everywhere else.
02:25:01.700
Chat, what do you guys, what do you guys think?
02:25:06.000
Anyways, um, uh, going around the table, do you think you'll be better looking in 10
02:25:12.080
I don't think so, but I'm hoping to stay the same.
02:25:16.780
So, better looking at 38 as compared to now at 28?
02:25:37.020
It's hard to say because beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but for the most part,
02:25:42.020
I think a 26-year-old would be more attractive than, so, so, no.
02:25:49.260
Uh, better, so better looking at 29 than now at 19.
02:26:23.160
No, it's still, I mean, look, you're not wrong.
02:26:25.480
Uh, uh, I would say Asian women do tend to age, uh, fairly well, but, um, 79?
02:26:35.920
Well, okay, just, just one point of clarification.
02:26:38.320
Uh, so it's not like, you can still be attractive, uh, as you get older, but it's more so of a
02:26:43.820
comparison between how you look right now as compared to in 10, 20, 30, 40 years.
02:26:50.120
I think I'll think of myself as pretty as I am then compared to now.
02:27:00.680
Like, I wouldn't think I was prettier back then.
02:27:06.040
Uh, when it comes, uh, let's say you stay single for your whole life.
02:27:10.300
I'm not saying that's going to be the case, but let's say it is.
02:27:12.880
Uh, when it comes to your dating prospects, do you think your dating prospects will be better
02:27:45.540
So better looking at 40 than you are now at 30?
02:27:53.380
And then were you better looking at 20 than you are now at 30?
02:28:24.440
Um, well, you don't think you're, you're gonna age?
02:28:42.340
Look, again, you can still be attractive as you get older, but, uh.
02:28:46.880
He's just mad because he's white and he's gonna age like milk.
02:29:00.080
He just, like, is it just all makeup that makes you look white then, or?
02:29:06.100
I have Portuguese, which is Spaniard, which I guess is European.
02:29:16.400
But, like she said, the Mexican side just takes over.
02:29:23.780
Listen, so that you understand, you can be a white Mexican.
02:29:29.300
Okay, there's a distinction between a Mestizo and a white Mexican.
02:29:36.600
So, Mexico's mostly Mestizo, that's true, but there's plenty of white Mexicans.
02:29:44.240
Well, I think that you just need to respond to what's being said.
02:29:49.860
Well, I'm half white, but Portuguese is Spaniard.
02:30:28.540
So, everything is always going to be reduced back to your sexuality.
02:30:37.300
They're laughing their asses off, just not with you.
02:30:50.620
So, better looking or the same at 100 as compared to now at 21.
02:30:58.660
I'll still probably look good in my 30s and 40s.
02:31:01.100
But, you know, it'll start to dwindle probably.
02:31:12.460
I'd say I'll probably stay the same and then around 40s I'll dwindle.
02:31:20.980
You're going to be better looking in 10 years' time?
02:31:36.800
I'll show a video of young Brian flexing in the mirror for Ethereum.
02:32:02.280
By the way, Andrew, it's a little hard to tell because we're zoomed.
02:32:04.960
But all the girls just, like, cracked a little smile when they saw it.
02:32:23.080
Yeah, I said, yeah, I think I'll be better looking in 10 years than I am now.
02:32:35.980
I think I'll be 95 years old and I'll still be better looking than I am now because I need
02:32:40.860
to join the delusional trends of everybody else.
02:32:44.220
And I have determined that it's really all about how you feel about you rather than what
02:32:49.260
What is objective when it comes to how you actually look?
02:32:54.620
Well, a confident five is much more attractive than an insecure five.
02:33:00.260
I have literally a video of me like 250 pounds compared to when I was 150.
02:33:09.700
A confident five is still more appealing than a non-confident five.
02:33:14.240
I would agree, but they're both fucking fives, right?
02:33:19.700
Well, then all we're asking is what makes them a five.
02:33:23.420
So you just took two personality traits which were in opposition and then said they're still
02:33:28.480
both looks-wise a five, which means you can differentiate between how my feelings operate
02:33:38.620
Is it because they're both fucking ugly or average or whatever?
02:33:45.280
Well, I guess they're just fucking average at that point.
02:33:50.240
But when we're asking about looks assessment, we're not asking about how you feel.
02:33:57.040
If I feel like it, it doesn't make me a fucking ten.
02:34:05.520
A five who dresses like the basket case in, for example, Breakfast Club, that's just a
02:34:13.380
But a five who dresses like, what's the girl from Sixteen Candles?
02:34:21.980
Okay, so obviously she's going to be the more attractive five.
02:34:42.040
But there still seems like there's some type of objective standard that you're appealing
02:34:57.520
I'm appealing to this conversation to entertain the show and to be respectful.
02:35:10.900
And you can lie to me because most women do when I ask them this question.
02:35:14.040
When you sit down at a table filled with other women, you don't inside your head judge them
02:35:19.320
on their looks or the clothes that they're wearing or the type of lashes that they have
02:35:30.560
So you're helping my point how they're dressed, how they carry themselves, how they do their
02:35:39.520
Do you, when you sit at a table full of women, do exactly what I just said and judge all sorts
02:35:44.800
of little details in your head even though you'd never say them out loud?
02:35:47.960
I don't because when I came in this room, I addressed everyone.
02:35:56.240
And the fact that we're all here, that is confident.
02:36:06.140
How many of you either know women, even if you're not willing to admit that you're one
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of them, who when they sit at a table filled with other women, make value judgments about
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all sorts of things, their hair, their lashes, their breast size, everything.
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And you endlessly compare yourself to them and think that they probably compare themselves
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I refuse to do that because when I was younger, like a teenager, I was very insecure.
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I wasn't as outgoing and confident as I am now.
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So who am I and how dare I judge someone based on their looks?
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Like, it's not like I'm looking at someone like, oh, wow, they're so ugly.
02:36:56.540
But we look at, you know, their hair, how they're presenting themselves.
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And we just make, it's called a value judgment.
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The way that we judge value of other human beings is through making value judgments.
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And we create, we're pattern recognition machines, right?
02:37:20.200
So I forgot who said this earlier, but I do have.
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She's absolutely right when she says that we are all making value judgments on basically everything all the time.
02:37:30.480
So I always find it really, really hard to believe when a woman says, I'm the only one sitting at this table who made zero value judgments about another woman sitting at this table.
02:37:52.380
So like if I look at someone and I start to maybe form an opinion, like I'll quickly be self-aware and like take myself out of that mindset because I don't think it's healthy.
02:38:03.620
Doesn't mean that I don't, I'm not admitting that like I don't do it at all.
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Like obviously it's like a subconscious thing when you see someone, but I recognize and I'm self-aware.
02:38:16.220
Yeah, there's no problem with you saying it's a problem for me doing this, but that's not really to the heart of the question.
02:38:22.260
To the heart of the question is don't you do it though?
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So, I mean, the thing is, is like I, all I ever ask is that women are just honest that they do that and most of them are not.
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And so until pressed and then we go, okay, yeah, I actually do do that.
02:38:41.520
That makes me sad to know that the women at this table do that.
02:38:47.540
You didn't know anything about how women operated before you came on the whatever podcast.
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You didn't, you had no clue that women made value judgments about each other all the fucking time.
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Well, obviously I know that they do that, but I just like to, like, I don't like to think about that.
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Like, oh, I'm being judged right now at this table of other beautiful women.
02:39:10.680
She's saying when it comes into her, it's subconscious.
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And when it comes into her conscious, she's, you know, thinking about it, obviously, like.
02:39:17.540
So, for example, like, in the perspective that I do it, if I can give an example, like, for example, with you.
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Whenever we met each other, obviously I have judgments.
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And I'm always careful when, because I'm a Christian.
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And so if you're going to tell me that what you do for work, I'm very careful with what I say.
02:39:38.400
Because I don't want someone to automatically think, she's a Christian.
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And in fact, it's great that you do judge people.
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You, like, have great conversations with them whenever you get to know them.
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Especially the first thing you get to know is what they're wearing.
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So, if I knew what she did for work, I can ask her, like, what does she do?
02:39:59.540
And then just based off of how women dress, how they do their hair, I can start conversations with absolutely anybody just based off how they look.
02:40:14.560
I think that we make value judgments in a negative way nonstop, even if we don't think that we do.
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So, for instance, you're walking down the street late at night, and five men you don't know are walking down the street towards you.
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I have a double standard, and I do have value judgments against them.
02:40:44.260
So, I mean, the thing is that you're making value judgments nonstop every day, and a lot of them are for the purpose of survival.
02:40:51.560
And so, since that is the case, and that's hardwired into you, why wouldn't you make value judgments about appearance?
02:40:57.340
Why wouldn't you make value judgments about things that you see patterns in?
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For instance, people who generally aren't taking good care of themselves, they could look very nefarious to you.
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And so, that's why those value judgments are there.
02:41:17.020
But it's all intertwined to the idea of a value judgment.
02:41:19.880
I think that the looks value judgment is based around women competing with each other.
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And so, if they're going to compete with each other, if another woman is doing something that they think makes them more attractive,
02:41:29.100
and would look good on them, they will adopt that thing.
02:41:33.740
Or, if a woman sees that another woman doesn't do the thing that they think would make them more attractive,
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So, I forget if I've used this example here before, but I don't think any woman is in competition with any other woman,
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because one person's a fucking steak, the other person's Chinese food.
02:41:57.300
But some people just want steak, and they don't want Chinese food.
02:42:05.280
So, just a quick show of hands on the panel, including you, who just made the case for this.
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If you found two men, and they were equal in almost all ways.
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But one was six foot two, and the other one was five foot four.
02:42:34.240
Yeah, but I just said, I do value judgment men.
02:42:40.120
So, the point is, though, is that you're making value judgments based around universal preferences.
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And the universal preference is that you would prefer your men to be taller than you.
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So, if one is shorter than you, five foot four, another one's taller than you, six foot two, you would prefer the one who's six foot two.
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Is it value assessment based on a universal preference?
02:43:03.040
Why'd you raise your hand for the six foot two?
02:43:16.740
Your first example of value judgment was if I sit down with a table of women, am I going to judge them?
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It doesn't mean in your head you're brutal about it.
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But you are making value judgments and value assessments.
02:43:45.340
If another woman has, for instance, what you think is a cute outfit, will you go buy that cute outfit?
02:43:54.360
If you think she's wearing a cute outfit, would you then go and buy that cute outfit if you thought it would look good on you?
02:44:07.740
So, then, when it comes to women, I do value judgment, but it's not in a negative way.
02:44:11.460
Which, the table of ladies next to me, they're confused.
02:44:16.840
But you said that you were speaking about value judgment in a negative way, correct?
02:44:27.180
I think any woman who feels like she's being judged thinks it's going to be a negative.
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Whether it's positive or negative from your personal assessment, I think that they're just not going to want to get judged at all.
02:44:40.460
Isn't that what you said earlier, that you would prefer to just not be judged?
02:44:49.880
I think women are competing with each other as well because men fall for what they see and women fall for what they hear.
02:45:02.320
Sometimes we impress a man or increase our market value.
02:45:07.320
So, I think we do unconsciously compete with each other.
02:45:12.320
I think also it's like you can form your opinions and that's fine, but you can be respectful about it.
02:45:21.800
I respectfully told her, like, hey, you know, I don't think our energies mesh well.
02:45:33.160
So, that way you can set boundaries and you can protect yourself and everything like that.
02:45:36.340
Well, I think that's different than a value judgment.
02:45:41.760
I thought you said value judgment is based purely off of the looks.
02:45:46.120
No, it's based purely upon assessments of behavior or assessments of things which go against your preferences or go towards your preferences.
02:46:00.320
You're assessing the value of you stopping there versus not stopping there.
02:46:04.420
A value judgment would go into every form of human activity.
02:46:07.840
We're always making judgments on the value of the behavior of the people around us and the behavior that we're engaging in.
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So, for instance, if you've ever said, I don't want to drink tonight because I have to work in the morning, that's a value judgment.
02:46:20.400
You're saying, okay, I'm going to weigh these two options.
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Do I want to go to work without a headache or do I want to go to work with a headache?
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I think that value judgments are made all the time for the purposes of protecting yourself.
02:46:39.480
Also, I will say, Andrew, you are a professional debater because you are so great at making people think that you started off with that subject but actually ending it somewhere else.
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Because your first example that you gave me was if you sit down with a group of girls, are you not going to judge them?
02:47:01.040
You said outfit, nails, hair, and now you're saying a value judgment is based off of everything.
02:47:06.560
So, first of all, I'm responding to four different conversations and four different people who injected their opinion.
02:47:14.180
But going right back to the beginning, let's take it all the way back to the beginning.
02:47:17.940
Did I not ask every woman here to raise their hand if there's an activity they engaged in?
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And all of them raised their hand, including you.
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Because, as you said, you addressed four different arguments from all the other ladies who had an opinion.
02:47:49.440
The first topic we were talking about where you judge purely based off looks, meaning what they're wearing, their hair, their nose.
02:48:17.580
I think that speaks a lot more than what they look like.
02:48:22.080
So, you don't ever sit down with other women and ever go, oh, wow, her hair is frayed.
02:48:31.780
Her nails are not really looking very good today.
02:48:38.260
You're the only one who doesn't fucking do that.
02:48:46.200
I say no, I don't do that because I think it's ugly.
02:48:51.420
And how many people do you think believe you right now?
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Including even the women at the table with you don't fucking believe you.
02:49:07.020
We're not in competition with anyone at this table or anyone outside of this table.
02:49:20.560
It's something that you have to un-teach yourself like she said.
02:49:23.220
You have to be conscious when you're doing that.
02:49:26.620
What she said is that she understands that she even does this.
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But she tries conscientiously to recognize that she's doing this.
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Even though you raised your hand earlier and said you did.
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If nobody is judging, how come that nobody here is all tense?
02:50:03.080
Because we are all comparing ourselves to other women, right?
02:50:18.000
And we make that number in our heads comparing ourselves to a different woman.
02:50:23.940
So if nobody judged, why aren't we all saying that we are a ten?
02:50:28.280
Because you're comparing yourself to other women, which is why I'm the only girl here at this table who gave myself a ten.
02:50:34.080
Because the only person I'm comparing myself to is myself.
02:50:41.680
Because I'm hotter than I've ever been in my whole entire life.
02:50:45.000
How do you know what hot is without comparing to other people?
02:50:54.440
Yeah, but how do you know if your past self was hot?
02:51:05.120
I'm trying to think of the word where if you go to other places, they think that's what they consider pretty.
02:51:13.660
So you're comparing yourself to what other people think again?
02:51:18.060
I'm comparing it to the beauty standard that men set.
02:51:22.580
So then you, the thing that you think makes you hot is the opinion of other people, which you literally just got done saying.
02:51:30.600
You base your beauty standard on what you think and not the opinion of other people.
02:51:35.260
Is that a contradiction in real time, by the way?
02:51:38.700
Well, what I'm saying is I don't fucking judge the woman that I'm in front of by...
02:51:45.720
Now, you just got done telling me that I was a bad faith professional debater because I couldn't stay on topic.
02:51:51.660
You just said, what you literally just said was this.
02:51:54.500
You said, I only compare my beauty standard to me, right?
02:52:00.960
You're informing your beauty standard by what you think men want.
02:52:10.100
I'm going to backtrack because you actually just misworded me.
02:52:12.740
You said that I called you a bad faith debater.
02:52:15.280
I said you're excellent at what you do because if I wasn't good at paying attention, I wouldn't have caught that.
02:52:28.100
But the thing is, leaving that aside for a second, back to this, the topic we're currently on,
02:52:38.520
You are not comparing yourself to just yourself, right?
02:52:44.680
The reason why I rated myself a 10 is because I'm hotter than I've ever been in my whole life.
02:52:49.720
And if you were to ask me, go around the table and read all yourself...
02:52:57.960
Based on my opinion of their confidence, the fact that they're here, the fact that they're subjecting themselves to assholes like you.
02:53:12.620
I don't care what you think the conversation is.
02:53:20.960
And now go bad faith and go, I just don't want to do it anymore because I feel stupid.
02:53:35.980
Because I'm basing it off of the beauty standards that are set.
02:53:47.440
You are not the ultimate architect, even in your mind, of your own beauty standard.
02:54:00.400
I think that I've taken a lot of the speaking time over something that doesn't really matter.
02:54:05.900
Is it a man's fault that women judge each other?
02:54:15.600
Honestly, this is going to sound fucking hypocritical, but it's the truth.
02:54:33.920
If we do not do porn, men will not have shit, right?
02:54:43.560
There would be no supply without the demand of men.
02:54:46.380
And you have more women categories in porn than men.
02:55:03.400
You said why are there more female categories in porn?
02:55:06.280
No, I said it is a man's fault that we are judging each other.
02:55:10.300
Because, for example, in the strip club, a lot of the guys say,
02:55:14.920
And that's when I use that steak and Chinese food example.
02:55:20.080
Because you can be the juiciest peach in the world,
02:55:22.480
but some people aren't going to fucking like peaches.
02:55:32.360
The only reason you compete with other women is for the attention of men.
02:55:37.000
You mean Andrew Wilson's exact position that I already gave you.
02:55:44.920
That you're in competition with other women for the attention of men.
02:55:50.240
Otherwise, why would you be in competition with other women?
02:56:05.700
I will wear this for the remainder of the stream.
02:56:16.340
And subscribe to them to weights because it's fucked.
02:56:46.940
Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have one.
02:56:53.160
It's been 18 minutes since we last had a Prime.
02:56:55.100
So if you can, drop us a follow in the Prime sub.
02:57:10.160
Yeah, we're trying to get the – there's different tiers of it, though.
02:57:12.760
So I don't know which one we're at, but we're trying to get to the next level.
02:57:20.140
But tier 3s, everyone, make sure you tier 3 sub.
02:57:45.740
You said you'd like to speak about dynamics of relationships such as sub, dom, and feminine
02:57:53.140
I want to know, like, how everyone enjoys, like, the dynamic of their relationships.
02:58:08.500
Yo, AB Check, thanks for the gifted 20 memberships.
02:58:29.180
Hold it up, Morgan, so we can see Morgan has...
02:58:43.280
So going around the table, do you want to ask a specific question, or do you just want
02:58:50.640
So basically, it's kind of like, do you prefer to wear the pants in the relationship, or do
02:59:04.180
I would like to be very, very submissive, actually.
02:59:27.180
For the two that said 50-50, what does that look like for you guys?
02:59:34.140
Um, like, I'm not completely dominant or submissive toward my partner.
02:59:55.400
So you're okay to go 50-50 and everything then?
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Like, do you mean like rent and like stuff like that?
03:00:04.020
Like, if I make more and they make less, I would pay my fair share like that.
03:00:12.940
You said that at the beginning of the podcast, right?
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Like, I've never been interested enough to ask someone out.
03:00:35.800
You've never been interested enough in somebody to ask them out?
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But conceivably, there are men that you would be interested in enough to do that.
03:00:47.940
But, like, I almost wonder, like, if, how would that make, well, I don't, I don't know
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if this is the right framing, but how would that make a guy feel who you were dating?
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Like, I wasn't interested in you enough to have, for me to have been the one to take
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I mean, like, if it hurts his feelings, it just, it hurts his feelings.
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So, if an intruder comes into my house, I don't take turns with my husband to go check
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Like, so, would you, like, take turns with him?
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Like, okay, babe, like, I checked the door last time, your turn, like, that's 50-50.
03:01:42.500
No, but, like, they're trying to get in the house.
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Like, and, like, if someone's trying to break into my house, like, I am not going anywhere
03:01:52.180
Like, my first response is, like, I need to go exactly where the kids are.
03:02:01.940
Well, I guess that could also be, like, the 50-50.
03:02:03.560
Like, you protect the kids while he checks the door.
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But if you go back to dating, if you look at your ex, like Brian said, you were interested.
03:02:19.680
Because you were in a relationship, so you were interested in him.
03:02:42.860
Kind of related to this whole 50-50 thing, would you prefer a guy to ask, like, for the first kiss,
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would you prefer a guy to ask you for permission?
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Mind you, this is assuming that you're into him, right?
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So, like, if we're on a date and we've kind of been at this awkward peace and we're having awkward conversations,
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I don't want you to go in and go for it and kiss me.
03:03:24.200
But if we're getting closer and we're gravitating towards each other and if you do decide to go for it, then yes.
03:03:37.600
Like, I don't think a guy should go for the kiss every single time.
03:03:45.900
But it's either go for it or if he were to ask, can I kiss you?
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Yes, if it's evidently clear, which I do make it, that I'm into him, then, of course, go for it.
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Kill of Cereal says, no need to be in competition to have an opinion about something.
03:04:28.100
Nicolette, what is your honest opinion about the clothing the other girls are in?
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I think every lady's outfit looks good as fuck, and I would totally wear it.
03:04:55.820
It's just hard to tell, like, the way you speak.
03:04:58.020
It's sometimes hard to tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
03:05:06.460
You learned how to do vocal fry from the whatever podcast?
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Like, in the comments, we're like, she has vocal fry.
03:05:20.780
Going to Laura's notes here, you said that you have an interesting story of how you met
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I just figured I had to, like, kind of throw in something that was interesting.
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But, yeah, my husband and I met at the, in a world youth day with the Pope.
03:05:48.360
And then the next day, we had a mass with the Pope.
03:05:54.480
I'm assuming this was at, was it in the Vatican?
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The current Pope was in Brazil in 2013 for the World Youth Day.
03:06:20.020
Then there's like, I think the last one was Pope.
03:06:24.880
And you also said that you wanted to talk about dating multiple sexual partners.
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I'm not sure if you did that, but you said that was a topic you wanted to talk on.
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Remember how I said I'm Hispanic, so a little crazy?
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OnlyFans, abortion, dating multiple sexual partners.
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Well, no, you won't really have any objections from me on the dating multiple sexual partners.
03:07:34.320
Why don't you voice your criticisms directly to her?
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You are really sweet, especially because you said my librarian outfit is cute.
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I think it's harmful for you, and it's harmful especially for society, and it makes my job
03:07:53.860
as a mother a lot more challenging, especially with raising two boys and now with a girl.
03:08:04.940
So why does it make it more challenging for you as a mother?
03:08:26.740
Yeah, but it was a lot more scarce, and now it's at the fingertips of anyone with a magic
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And so it makes it a lot more difficult for me, like I said, as a mother, to keep that
03:08:40.140
And so we keep pushing the boundaries of, you know, this perversion of, like, sex, right?
03:08:49.380
Like, my husband can't watch a football game sometimes with the commercials coming on, and
03:08:54.080
I'm like, man, like, this woman is, like, half naked for a commercial.
03:08:57.420
And my little kids are watching, and I don't like that.
03:09:00.220
So whenever things like OnlyFans comes out, it's just another thing that I have to worry
03:09:07.000
So if it weren't for me, there'd be a million other things I have to worry about.
03:09:15.720
You just compared me to the hot girl on the commercial.
03:09:23.020
Like, what you do is not going to be allowed in a commercial.
03:09:32.800
But it's mostly because I also care about the people who are doing, you know, what you
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And to be honest, that's why I think it's, like, it's such bullshit, because I agree with
03:09:54.120
Like, I don't see any, I'm not saying I see you any different.
03:09:57.380
I'm just saying that what you do, like, for your job, I disagree with.
03:10:03.840
And that's your right, and that's your opinion, and I will argue that further, because you
03:10:09.620
Nicolette, do you think that what you do is harmful to others or has a negative impact?
03:10:13.660
Um, well, earlier in the podcast, I said no, but I have a mother right next to me saying
03:10:26.660
But that's still really nice of you to, like, even consider, you know, not consider quitting,
03:10:31.560
but what I'm saying, acknowledge that it makes my job a little bit more difficult.
03:10:36.580
Well, your job as a mother is the hardest job in the world.
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It's not going to get any easier, and in fact, it's going to get a lot harder.
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There's going to be a new OnlyFans that's even more easily accessible, probably in the
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But do you not think that you're adding to this problem that you're, you're not saying
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Would you not say that you're adding more to it, more content, and harming yourself in
03:11:06.420
I don't think I'm harming myself hearing from her stans.
03:11:21.740
I think that confidence in that aspect is a very, like, short-lived confidence, though.
03:11:29.140
But there's, like, a different confidence that maybe, not you, but just in general, other
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You can, you don't have to, like, sugarcoat it.
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You can include me in that, too, because I am, I've been doing OnlyFans for six years.
03:11:44.300
So, but I'm saying, like, why can I, like, I'm not an OnlyFans, but I'm still confident.
03:11:49.620
Why did you have to do OnlyFans to feel confident?
03:11:53.640
I'm genuinely asking, like, why, why did it take that for you to, like, gain confidence?
03:11:58.280
So, it actually wasn't OnlyFans, it was dancing that gave me my confidence.
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Actually, it first started off as a cam girl, webcam model.
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Here comes the hole, the hole, the hole, the hole, the hole, the hole.
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And because, like I said, before, like, Nick, sorry, Nick pressed that.
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Um, I grew up, like, like, as a teenager, I was very meek.
03:12:28.840
And then when you go into that environment where it's based off of value judgment, um,
03:12:37.640
like, what we spoke about earlier, um, I didn't realize, like, who I was or, like, what I had
03:12:51.060
But it's because in, like, high school, I was bullied.
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They were like, oh, shit, you're, like, awesome in the strip club.
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Maybe that's just because they were giving me money.
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But it gave me the fucking confidence that I have now.
03:13:12.020
I would say, Nicolette, you have a lot more to offer than just your body to the world.
03:13:17.700
And there's a lot more to me that I don't share on the internet because I do value myself
03:13:22.740
I don't talk about my personal life on the internet.
03:13:26.120
But you do talk about a very personal part of yourself that is initially designed just
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And I think that you're worth more than objectifying yourself for immense pleasure.
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I would have been an OnlyFans girl if I wouldn't have had God in my life.
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So if that makes you feel better, like, I got fat because God was like, this bitch
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And then I'm sure there's a, like, a niche for that.
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No, but you could all judge and say, oh, I'm showing my fucking body for when it's meant
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Literally, if you look at brain scans, like, it, like, muddles their brain.
03:14:29.420
But then the thing is, is it the porn star's fault or is it their fault for viewing it?
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Like, it's obviously, I think, the men's fault for viewing it.
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So is it the tobacco or nicotine company's fault or is it yours for keeping them in business?
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No, I'm saying, like, you can't say it's your fault.
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No, I was saying you can't say it's your fault because the men are consuming it.
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Whoever had a glass of champagne, then you are also causing to the problem of the alcohol companies out there.
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I think we should not make OnlyFans normal because it's not really normal.
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And I think a lot of OnlyFans girls got into the industry because we were insecure.
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So they got into the industry basically feeding that trauma and then call it I'm getting secure.
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We shouldn't normalize it because then it makes us less special.
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Without the money and everything, would you still do it?
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Would you still do it if it would not pay like $10,000, $20,000 or more?
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I was uploading on Pornhub without making any money.
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I'm sure that you did upload to Pornhub without making money.
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But that doesn't mean that you did it because you didn't think that the potential was there,
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that it was going to make you money or lead to you making money.
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Did you upload to this site without any expectation that it would lead to any money ever?
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Yes, because the Model Hub program, which is a program on Pornhub,
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which allows you to monetize off of it, is new.
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I did that seven years ago before I even was a cam girl, before I even made any money.
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So you did it to assist your career to make money though, right?
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So just to make sure we have this clear, if you were never paid again,
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you would do pornography absolutely free of charge.
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What were you doing on Pornhub, eating chocolates?
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And you were doing something sexually provocative while you were naked?
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Before I was even an OnlyFans or online, or like sex worker at all,
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I was fucking running through the football team.
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If no other person ever paid you again, you would continue to do this kind of work?
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For seven years, like I've been doing now, probably not that long, but for as long as
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And if not, I'd still be like fucking people like left and right.
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I just want to make sure, because you're still not really answering the question, so I'm just
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If nobody paid you ever again to do corn, would you still do it or not?
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If you were to have asked me at 18, I would have said yes.
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Like, if I'm dating someone or if I'm hooking up with someone and I want them to record it
03:19:04.640
If you are naked, playing with yourself, that's porn.
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If you put yourself naked out on Instagram, only if that's what I do as well, that's porn.
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So, would I do it without making money and without posting it?
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Yeah, I'd probably still be doing porn in, like, my own personal life.
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So, I think you just gave an out where there didn't need to be an out.
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Would you film, pornography, and distribute it, or give it to somebody to distribute for
03:19:43.820
free, no payment to you, because you think it's fucking funsies or not?
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And so, you wouldn't do OnlyFans work either without payment, correct?
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So, just saying that you would be a slut is far different than saying that you would
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distribute pornography or participate in corn, right?
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I literally did not sleep with anyone in high school because of how insecure I was.
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I'm like, they're going to immediately leave me, but if I say a virgin, someone will have
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But literally, like, it was the complete opposite.
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I did not want to, like, like, obviously I knew God and stuff, and it played a part, but
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I was so insecure that I was like, I better not ever sleep with anyone.
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They're going to look at all of this and be like, bleh.
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So, it, like, kept me away from, so it's crazy because you're just-
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I want to know what you're drinking in the morning for yourself.
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I would drag my balls through 1,000 miles of broken glass shards just just to hear then
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So, Carly, you said, I'll get through as much as I can here.
03:22:19.840
Soy boy beta males who push for abortion because they're not ready.
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So, part of my job, I stand outside of abortion centers as women are going into the clinics.
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And I kindly and lovingly ask them to reconsider and give them options and help so they can.
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And I'll stay with them throughout the rest of the way.
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And the number one reason that I see women wanting to have one is because their boyfriend, who isn't part, he's not necessarily, like, abusive.
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And so, in my mind, he needs to step up and step into that role of provider and protector.
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But when he doesn't, then the church people should come around, these women and these families and these babies.
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And so, that's something that really ticks me off is that these soy boy beta males.
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So, the church will pay for the children's education, food, everything.
03:23:23.400
We actually have had a few pastors adopt babies.
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So, they adopt the baby, but she cannot get rid of the baby.
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So, she will never take care of the baby either way.
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We do have that as well, where she steps in and is part of the baby's life.
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By any chance, do you know who Harriet Tubman is?
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But in what you're saying is hypocritical because she freed a bunch of slaves but didn't help them get jobs.
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So, what she's doing is she's saving babies and she's not helping them, in this case, like, get jobs.
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But, like, that's the thing is that we still do.
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It's, like, it's a little hypocritical unless, you know what?
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I'm just trying to give you an example of this.
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But is it also not a little bit, if a woman is so, going to an abortion clinic, she's very vulnerable, very, it's a huge thing.
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It's good that you make her thing for herself if the boyfriend is not there.
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But it's not really your decision in the end to give another person the idea.
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Yeah, and if he doesn't want it, where is his say?
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He has still, like, a 50%, 50% saying, in my opinion.
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But he shouldn't have a say whether or not the baby lives or dies.
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He should have a say in being able to say that this child should live.
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But nobody should have a say in whether or not that baby, if that baby gets killed.
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We shouldn't have this place where we can go kill children up to 20 weeks of pregnancy right down the street.
03:25:19.200
And not only that, but these centers, these abortion centers, are capitalizing on women in their most vulnerable moment when they are hurting the most.
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And they're capitalizing on their vulnerability, taking their money, and oftentimes sending them back into the same abusive situation that they just came from.
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I understand if a young girl is being raped or anything bad, and then you let the child go away.
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It's a little bit different situation, I think.
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But for you, the child is alive at that age, probably, right?
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It's a human life at the beginning of conception.
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So, is the guy supposed to pay, like, child support and everything already when it's, like...
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But if he's not pro-life, and the woman is not pro-life, then he should be able to, like, opt out of not even paying for child support.
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It's super unfair for men, because men literally do not have a choice.
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Like, the woman gets to choose if the baby dies or if the baby lives, and the man literally has no choice.
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So, if he wants no child, why can I not ever say that when he doesn't want to?
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He had to say when he stuck his dick in her and came in her.
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Okay, well, what I will say is, first of all, those abortion clinics are mandatory reporters.
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So, if they are being abused, they are mandatory.
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Because I go to those clinics, they say, is anyone keeping you?
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And I come across the people who stand outside of those clinics all the time.
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Personally, I haven't mentioned it on this podcast.
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And first of all, I'm always late, as you guys know.
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Anyways, so, when they saw me, oh, can I please share this on my way out?
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They think, oh, they don't give you ultrasounds before abortions.
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They have to check to make sure the baby's in there.
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But they don't often check how far along it is.
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Actually, oftentimes, we've had a mom come and tell me, I'm three weeks pregnant.
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You can't know that you're pregnant at three weeks, really, unless you're really, really,
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And then we'll take them to one of our pregnancy resource centers, and they'll say, actually,
03:28:37.440
I've had friends that come out of the abortion centers or former workers there tell me they're
03:28:44.200
They're not following these requirements because the abortion industry follows at really low
03:28:51.820
You guys had Lila Rose on this podcast who has exposed through live action how Planned
03:28:57.220
Parenthood allows sex trafficking and pimps to go in there and take advantage of these
03:29:09.560
Well, I need to shift gears a little bit here, but a couple things.
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Nicolette, you said that when it comes to the male side of things, you said, well, he should
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have thought of that before sticking his D in her and coming.
03:29:30.440
But so, Nicolette, so if I kind of turn the argument around and say, well, women who are
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desirous of getting abortions, they should have thought of that before having sex.
03:29:40.360
Well, first of all, an abortion is not a form of birth control.
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But you realize like when it comes to the male perspective of this, you're basically a bronze
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You should have thought, you shouldn't have opened your legs.
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No, because for the man, for the man, it's, you should have, oh, tough luck.
03:30:09.340
An abortion isn't, you have to call off work for that.
03:30:13.480
And paying child support for 18 years is not hard.
03:30:16.440
Yeah, but your position is just kind of a bit contradictory because for men, it's, well,
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But you would never make that same argument towards women who want to get an abortion.
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I don't want to get an abortion, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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You both have the decision to lay down in bed and do that.
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So you're either going to abort it or you're going to have it.
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No, easy as in like, like mentally and emotionally.
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But framing a man for 18 years is not mentally and emotionally.
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I'll even grant to you that it's not easy for the woman to get the abortion.
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I'm just going to go ahead and say that it's way harder for the man when he has to labor
03:31:20.660
I would also argue that it's hard for a man when he knows that his girlfriend or someone
03:31:28.280
I've talked to men as they're crying and throwing up in the bushes saying, I did everything
03:31:32.860
And he wanted that baby more than anything to be a dad.
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And yet he has no say and no decision in the matter.
03:31:47.120
So Nicolette, I think Andrew wanted to jump in on this.
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I believe that he died on the cross for our sins.
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Is there any obligations for you as a Christian?
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What you said is the same thing that the devil says because the devil also believes in God.
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Do you think God wants you to do porn and OnlyFans and stripping?
03:32:28.560
No, I also think God doesn't want us to drink champagne.
03:32:33.820
I don't think he wants Andrew to smoke cigarettes.
03:32:36.640
What was the first miracle that Jesus performed?
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The first miracle was in a wedding and they ran out of wine.
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And Mary went to Jesus and she's like, hey, we ran out of wine.
03:32:52.080
And he's like, well, what do you want me to do about it?
03:32:57.100
So the first miracle was that he made more wine for a wedding.
03:33:02.400
So obviously we don't all, we're no, there's no such thing as a perfect Christian, perfect Catholic.
03:33:09.860
It's not a sin to drink, but it's a sin to be drunk.
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Before you pivot off into some other fucking nonsense.
03:33:20.620
Can you just kind of answer to this idea that a real Christian doesn't drink champagne
03:33:25.500
when the first miracle of Jesus Christ was to turn water into wine for a party?
03:33:32.840
So I didn't know that, to be honest, but I do know that it's a sin to be drunk.
03:33:41.140
And obviously we're not all perfect Christians.
03:33:44.340
She has a Bible on her lap and, but you're still a Christian.
03:33:48.700
I'm not going to say, oh, you're not the right Christian.
03:33:56.800
Yeah, but, but things have criteria for what they are.
03:33:59.540
So, uh, when you, when you make the kind of claim, if you say I am X, then you have to
03:34:09.220
From your standpoint, then what the hell is a Christian?
03:34:12.060
Do you have any obligations or duties as a Christian?
03:34:16.900
To serve him, spread his word, which I'm doing right now.
03:34:20.040
And to believe that he died on the cross for your sins.
03:34:23.380
There's also certain denominations where you're not allowed to wear makeup.
03:34:35.560
They're saying Christians have a duty to not do this thing because, uh, you know, it's sinful
03:34:40.460
or whatever it is that those denominations believe.
03:34:48.920
To believe that he died on the cross for your sins and to spread his word.
03:34:52.980
So if, if, if you were to believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins and
03:34:58.560
you spread his word, but at night you also, uh, you know, participated in the grape of
03:35:04.460
women and at the same time butchered them when you were done doing that to them, are you a good
03:35:09.380
Christian because you believe that he died on the cross for you and you spread his word?
03:35:13.040
I believe I'm a good Christian and that's not for you to judge.
03:35:21.900
You said, do I think that makes me a good Christian?
03:35:25.940
What I asked you is if a person at night went out and was a serial killer and then during
03:35:31.120
the day they believe that Jesus died on the cross and spread his word, right?
03:35:43.120
Everyone at this table who claims to be a Christian has broken those commandments.
03:35:47.200
Yeah, but what they don't do is break the commandments and then go, oh, okay, well, that's okay.
03:35:53.060
Since I broke one, I guess I'll just keep breaking them because fuck it.
03:35:56.260
And that doesn't make me any less of a Christian than the next person.
03:36:10.520
How can you, in the good sense, say that I engage every single day in prostitution, all
03:36:17.200
right, and collect monies for said prostitution, make excuses for prostitution, make excuses
03:36:22.040
for killing babies in the womb, but I'm also a Christian.
03:36:28.080
First of all, why are you calling me a prostitute?
03:36:32.720
What do you consider prostitution and how am I doing it every day?
03:36:36.940
So I would consider prostitution provocative sexualization for the purpose of money.
03:36:43.720
Okay, I had a different definition of prostitution.
03:36:49.680
Well, prostitution is when you have sex for money.
03:36:55.940
So a woman goes up to your room, okay, and then masturbates for you while you jerk off,
03:37:18.760
What makes her a prostitute if she didn't engage in sex for money?
03:37:26.420
You said they have to engage in sex for money, and then I just gave you an example where
03:37:29.940
they're not engaging in sex and still getting money.
03:37:38.040
Because I'm saying shit to make you happy because you're not going to fucking take my answer.
03:37:47.600
Because I tell you my thoughts, and then you're like, no, you're wrong.
03:37:50.380
Yeah, well, if they're wrong, why shouldn't I point out that they're wrong?
03:37:53.500
If they don't make any sense, if they're incoherent, if they're nonsense babble,
03:38:01.060
Anything you say, as stupid as it is, I'll just agree with it.
03:38:05.780
Even if I was a prostitute and fucking accepting $20 on Figueroa for the next trick that pulls up,
03:38:11.740
I am still a Christian, and I'm still going to heaven.
03:38:17.540
Believing that Jesus died on the cross for your sins, and I'm saved,
03:38:20.320
and that will not change just because he says it does.
03:38:21.440
And following none of his commandments, nor trying to.
03:38:23.360
What commandments of Jesus Christ do you actually follow?
03:38:30.280
So you repent and then continuously walk into that sin?
03:38:42.420
I continue in that same action that I know is sinful.
03:38:45.400
And I try my hardest each day to live righteously and to not engage in things that I know.
03:38:50.680
Like, you make an active conscious decision to engage in sin.
03:38:54.340
And so when you repent from that, you are making active conscious decisions to deny yourself, pick up your cross,
03:39:01.880
That's what you do to serve God, to choose God over sin.
03:39:05.560
I also want to say what you're saying is the same thing the devil can say.
03:39:10.500
So just because someone believes in God and that he died on the cross does not make someone a Christian.
03:39:17.960
Because a good Christian, you're making decisions consistently to be a Christian.
03:39:23.780
But your argument is not that you are a Christian because you believe that Jesus died on the cross.
03:39:42.940
Nicolette, if you're going to cheat it on you over and over and over again.
03:39:47.100
But kept saying, I'm sorry, but kept cheating on you over and over again.
03:39:52.800
Well, in my opinion, men who cheat can still love their partners.
03:39:57.320
But would you believe that he loved you if he cheated on you?
03:39:59.700
As I just said, men who cheat can still love their partners.
03:40:03.220
Here, let's just make it super simple and basic, right?
03:40:07.700
Would you say that it's God or the devil who prefers you to OnlyFans?
03:40:17.720
So if the devil wants you to do OnlyFans, what would God prefer you do?
03:40:23.140
Oh, so then, and are you consciously doing OnlyFans on purpose, even though you know that this is against God's preference?
03:40:40.240
If the devil wants me to do this thing, and I'm going to keep doing it, that is your father.
03:40:50.100
Literally, he died for our sins because we're thieves and do all that crazy stuff.
03:41:00.020
What would you call it other than Satanic to know that God doesn't want you to do a thing,
03:41:03.780
and you willfully do it anyway and spit in his face?
03:41:11.160
It's called being a sinner, and we're all sinners.
03:41:15.820
I believe that she hasn't had the chance or the luxury of being told...
03:41:31.800
Do you think that God or the devil would prefer you to OnlyFans?
03:41:46.720
I'm going to be the enemy of what I think God's will is.
03:41:54.700
You said that her dad is the devil or whatever.
03:42:01.360
Okay, so if the father, the thing that you worship, is telling you to do a thing and
03:42:07.220
you go against it, and instead you're insistent on going against or going towards the other
03:42:12.620
thing to lead you, then you're treating that thing as the father, right?
03:42:16.480
Yeah, you're just called a sinner, not the devil's, like, daughter.
03:42:19.460
I would argue that, Nicolette, you said that you want to serve God.
03:42:24.860
So, if you are doing the will of the devil, if you're doing the will of the devil and you're
03:42:32.960
following the devil, how's the devil not acting as the father for you?
03:42:38.100
Just because you're a sinner doesn't mean you're not a Christian and your...
03:42:41.860
Does Jesus reference your father, the devil, multiple times in the Bible?
03:42:58.020
Probably the worst is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which is the unforgivable
03:43:01.920
It's actually a sin to judge other people, so you're sitting right now.
03:43:06.720
So, the unforgivable sin is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, right?
03:43:11.540
So, the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is, I know for sure that Jesus is divine, but
03:43:19.480
So, it's the rejection of the divinity of Christ.
03:43:22.940
So, how else would your father be anything but the devil?
03:43:26.280
It's a sin to judge, and you're doing it over and over and over again.
03:43:36.360
We're instructed to judge in the Bible many, many times.
03:43:40.360
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, as usual.
03:43:45.200
Nicolette, I think, like, the way that I see it is, like, you said that being a Christian
03:43:50.240
means serving God and telling people about his word, and I would argue, and again, I
03:43:58.080
But I would say, based on your actions and what you've spoken, that you're not actively
03:44:02.900
serving God, and that is a scary place to be in.
03:44:06.180
And honestly, I would urge you just to repent and go before the Lord and to turn to him and
03:44:10.740
to his righteousness, because it's a much better way of life.
03:44:13.640
Like, these ways that you're living right now, I think, in a few years' time, will be
03:44:17.500
really, really harmful to you, and you'll see that later, and you'll be in a bad place.
03:44:26.300
So that's why I don't like to talk about religion.
03:44:33.140
Well, you have to understand that when you make the claim, when you make this claim,
03:44:37.060
I am this thing, when other people who are that thing say, no, you're not, right?
03:44:44.480
The second you state, I am the thing, then you are saying there's certain attributes and
03:44:49.960
criteria that I follow, which make me this thing.
03:44:52.920
And so, of course, people who are actually that thing are going to be like, what the
03:45:07.700
I don't like to talk about it because of people like you.
03:45:10.680
They're going to tell me, you're not a right Christian.
03:45:22.920
If you do not serve a god and his only begotten son, you are serving Satan.
03:45:27.760
And that's why you would say your father's the devil, right?
03:45:33.020
And that's why, like, what you're saying, I genuinely, I'm so sorry, I genuinely don't
03:45:40.320
So you're talking, you're talking, but you're not going to, like, change my mind.
03:45:43.480
It's irrelevant whether or not you care about my opinion.
03:45:48.360
There's tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, potentially millions of people who will see the
03:45:57.740
You are here in order for an assessment of worldviews to take place and that other thousands
03:46:03.280
of other people can see the assessment between the distinct worldviews and make their own
03:46:07.240
I'm not confident I could ever bring you a person who says, I know God wants me to stop
03:46:15.380
I'm not sure I could ever bring you to the sound reason of thought or logic.
03:46:25.800
They're knowingly committing a sin, but that doesn't make them any less of a Christian than
03:46:32.220
So you're, again, you're making a massive category error.
03:46:35.160
There are Christians who I think could have same-sex attraction who do not act on the
03:46:40.500
Instead, they avoid that sin and devote their life to God.
03:46:47.320
I'm just going to do it anyway because fuck God.
03:46:53.360
Do you understand the difference between a man who says, I have same-sex attraction
03:46:57.120
and this is a vice that I struggle with, but I'm purposely not doing it to devote my
03:47:01.900
life to God versus you who say, I know this is a sin, but I'm going to do it
03:47:05.720
So the fact of, I was willing to hear you out until you just said, F God, I will not
03:47:15.220
That's very fucking disrespectful and I would never do that.
03:47:20.900
Do you understand the distinction of me giving a prefix for a thing?
03:47:30.420
Do you think, do you think that God, do you think that God doesn't understand what I
03:47:37.160
No, I think that you, do you think that you trying to convince people that I said a
03:47:43.460
No, what I'm upset about is that you said that I'm saying that and that's disrespectful
03:47:49.140
You literally said to me, I know that this is a sin.
03:47:52.180
It's of the devil and I'm going to do it anyway.
03:48:07.460
You take dicks in your mouth in front of other men and I'm the disgusting one?
03:48:10.860
Can you explain one more time how you can spit in God's face and then pretend
03:48:16.420
that you're obeying his will and I'm the disgusting one?
03:48:22.480
I don't really give a fuck about your opinion anymore.
03:48:24.420
That's what you do for a living, not what I do.
03:48:36.200
I've always wondered that because I'm very interested in going to the church.
03:48:39.980
The whole reason that God sent Jesus was because someone like me, a thief, someone that judges,
03:48:52.200
You know how a lot of people say, well, it's just like I don't go to church because there's
03:49:07.040
But only, only, but he will only forgive if you want to be forgiven because we have
03:49:14.800
So it's just if you want to be forgiven, you know, because for example, you said, I know
03:49:34.140
That's crazy, man, but it's strictly hornets over here.
03:49:57.840
If Nicolette spent as much time filling her head with knowledge and literature as much
03:50:03.100
as she does filling it with pee pee and doing seminal fluid instead, she would actually
03:50:19.680
I mean, it's been a slow night, to be honest, Nicolette.
03:50:30.960
Well, maybe we can come back to some of that conversation later.
03:50:33.660
I'd like to take it back to dating a little bit here.
03:50:47.260
Anissa, have you ever had a roster when it comes to dating?
03:51:36.300
Because, I don't know, you two are friends, right?
03:51:57.020
I just sent an email to Madison because I want to send you guys a hand-painted portrait to show my love.
03:52:13.960
I mean, you can also, if you want to email me too, brianatwhatever.com, if you want.
03:52:18.760
We have a couple pieces of artwork in the studio from viewers.
03:52:28.480
Well, this may come as a surprise to you all, but yes, I have.
03:52:59.440
How many guys from the football team did you get?
03:53:42.260
I thought you were talking just about the football team, but maybe there was.
03:54:23.800
Like, I guess you got to stand on the chair or something.
03:54:43.700
What was the explanation again for the tattoos?
03:54:50.120
It's because, like, I kind of realized growing up, in some people's stories, you're going
03:54:56.200
In other people's stories, you're, like, the worst person alive and, like, the devil.
03:54:59.660
Like, everyone's perception of you is different, and I found that interesting.
03:55:11.600
Remind me to ask you about the burger thing after the show.
03:55:20.060
So, going around the table, uh, give us, uh, at least one ick, but if you have two or
03:55:28.500
Starting, uh, why don't we start on this side over here?
03:55:34.060
Yeah, I probably have a few, um, men that dress really zesty is a big ick.
03:55:50.020
Atheists, a religious, um, let me see, short men.
03:55:57.300
I think you lost, you're going to lose a couple of people there.
03:56:05.180
Sometimes, like, eye contact is, is nice, but I'm pretty into the guy I'm seeing now,
03:56:23.640
I would say that one that I've noticed is, like, when a man just doesn't take care of himself,
03:56:28.140
like, he orders takeout every single day, like, he just doesn't, I don't know, he just doesn't
03:56:48.980
Why are you guys kind of throwing me under the bus like this, man?
03:56:53.440
Whenever they wear their shorts past their knees.
03:57:05.260
I hate when guys wear that one dangly, like, cross-earring on one ear.
03:57:31.080
That's a guy, my example of a guy mansplaining.
03:57:58.040
Have you experienced that with the guy you've dated?
03:58:01.440
I've experienced the girl best friend, but not the mom.
03:58:05.080
But I've had friends that have experienced that.
03:58:06.380
So, would you, uh, would you date a guy who had female friends?
03:58:26.420
But you stayed when he called your best friend's name when he was kissing.
03:58:31.720
Oh, that's, yeah, it's like, there's, there's, uh, background.
03:58:35.700
He cannot have a best friend, but he can call your best friend's name when kissing.
03:58:39.820
Do you have any, uh, do you have any, uh, close male friends?
03:58:50.000
I would say no ambition and addicted to video games.
03:58:57.540
Andrew might have thoughts on that one, but, uh, what about you?
03:59:01.300
Well, I mean, that would just rule me out, you know?
03:59:03.960
If you spend like more than, I would say four hours a day.
03:59:13.420
And men spend, well, I don't, I've always, I've never really understood this because men
03:59:21.400
Um, so whether they're doing, so I have a good friend of mine, for instance, he's a
03:59:26.260
leather worker, very, very, very skilled leather worker.
03:59:29.440
And for leather workers, the more gaudy they can make a thing, the better it is.
03:59:33.020
And he has just thousands of tools and he can, he can actually take your face and put
03:59:41.120
Uh, he spends, I don't know how much time on it.
03:59:46.200
He just does it as a hobby and he's obsessive about it.
03:59:50.260
And, uh, yeah, I would say probably not every day he would spend four hours, but if you were
03:59:54.560
to average all of the time he has spent on it, it would probably average to like four
03:59:59.140
What would be like real world positives of spending four hours per day gaming?
04:00:06.220
What would be the, the positives of spending four hours a day leather working?
04:00:11.000
Um, that you can actually create something like malleable, like a real physical item.
04:00:18.380
Yeah, but what, I mean, what if you don't, what if you don't, you're just doing it because
04:00:22.240
I mean, he's not creating physical items for anybody.
04:00:28.380
It's not for the benefit of anybody except him.
04:00:30.840
So like, what, what does that actually do for anybody except him?
04:00:37.340
Yeah, but I mean, even if it does nothing, why would one of those be appropriate and not
04:00:42.140
So in other words, um, I think that the hobby of gaming assists men with, uh, challenges,
04:00:48.480
with camaraderie, and it assists them in, uh, many ways, uh, when it comes to, especially
04:00:55.060
men often will lean towards games that have incredible storylines, things like this.
04:00:59.900
And the reason for this is because you, you can't as a man anymore in modernity in the
04:01:05.720
West, you're not going to go be an adventurer anymore.
04:01:08.520
You're not going to go get on a ship to the new world.
04:01:11.640
You're not going to be going and exploring the depths of, uh, of the ocean.
04:01:15.840
You're going to be kind of living that through novels and, uh, in various things like this.
04:01:22.200
They, they offer escape and they offer camaraderie.
04:01:25.100
And I don't actually see why there's a big problem with that.
04:01:27.700
Maybe you can change my mind because when I'm thinking about it too, it also offers community
04:01:33.960
Also, you can't go on like a seven kill streak in battlefield.
04:01:40.940
Well, there's not, there's not that many ways, uh, other than, than maybe at your job for
04:01:50.240
We, the, we can't really just go to the gladiator sand and just beat the shit out of each other.
04:01:57.340
So unless you have like a sanctioned UFC fight or something, uh, specific or particular that
04:02:03.280
way, uh, video games is a really good way for men to compete with each other from all
04:02:14.400
I don't really see why it's such a problematic hobby for women.
04:02:17.520
Can I push back because I'm just, I, I'm genuinely curious because for me, that's why I know
04:02:22.620
why Andrew, you could probably change my mind, but then, so if you're looking for that, then
04:02:29.200
why don't you do like UFC or something like that?
04:02:32.860
And then when you're doing video games, it's almost like you go into a different fantasy
04:02:37.480
land, which what you were explaining, but genuinely, I'm just curious, like, well, so
04:02:42.080
boxing, boxing, pugilism, UFC, things like this, they cause damage to one's body.
04:02:48.240
And so as a man, if you have the option of taking care of your family, you have to limit
04:02:52.420
the amount of damage, which is done to your body, especially from the form of a hobby.
04:02:57.040
Otherwise you cannot continue to produce the work necessary to continue to support a family.
04:03:02.400
So if that is the case, and it is the case for most men, um, in fact, many men's jobs
04:03:09.800
They couldn't even do boxing or competition, uh, external to that anyway.
04:03:13.540
Like construction, concrete laying, things like this are incredibly damaging to the body
04:03:18.620
They end up with back problems, arm problems, neck problems.
04:03:21.140
There's no construction worker I've known who's worked construction for more than 10 years
04:03:24.660
that doesn't have actual issues with their body.
04:03:27.060
So I think that they have, uh, they're tempering responsibility with escapism and also with
04:03:37.240
I don't really see what the problem with the hobby itself is.
04:03:40.520
Because I read a lot and that's kind of like my form of like going into another world, I
04:03:46.260
So I guess I never just put two and two together that that's what, why men are gaming.
04:03:49.900
Well, it's not, I think, I think when people say I'm going into another world, that's, that's
04:03:57.440
What's happening is ideas are conveyed best through story.
04:04:02.200
So if you want to convey an idea to a person, you can use straight philosophy to convey an
04:04:06.800
idea, but most people don't understand philosophy.
04:04:10.780
She doesn't understand anything about argumentation, philosophy, nothing, but maybe I could convey
04:04:14.980
things to her in story form and she would understand some of those concepts.
04:04:18.340
So when you're relaying experiences through story, it's not even just escapism.
04:04:24.040
It's a way for you to engage with concepts that could be bothersome or new to you and
04:04:30.880
And that, that's how human beings have been communicating great ideas since the dawn of
04:04:42.440
I used to, uh, I used to play video games, although I don't anymore.
04:04:45.740
I stopped in 2020 or so, stopped playing video games entirely.
04:04:51.800
Uh, but I think part of it is why women don't like men who play video games is because, uh,
04:04:59.120
leisure time activities, whether video games or otherwise are not something that they can
04:05:07.340
Um, so I think it's really as simple as that you don't, yeah, I got to get pushed back
04:05:14.460
So, um, uh, men do, um, podcasting is a hobby, right?
04:05:20.080
You would agree with me that almost no man ever is going to be able to make a career out
04:05:27.620
Like basically nobody who's in the field of podcasting for the most part is ever going to
04:05:38.000
Oftentimes without ever being able to build an audience or this type of thing.
04:05:42.160
So, I mean, how, I think that this is the same kind of practical application of video games,
04:05:48.000
It's like you, you can, you can take this hobby and you can say, well, you get nothing
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Well, no, I'm, so I'm not saying that the men don't gain benefit from it.
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The women don't gain any benefit from men playing video games.
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I would argue that I love when my ex played games cause that was my time for him to shut
04:06:21.080
Well, I, uh, I played a lot and, uh, it was, uh, distracting me from pursuing other things.
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And even reading or any kind of escapism can be an addiction and it can be like, if you
04:06:38.160
want to go and like live in another reality and like escape to that, I think you have a
04:06:42.720
serious internal problem and it's like not wrong to take time and to relax and to explore
04:06:48.620
concepts or to even like play video games for an hour a day.
04:06:51.960
But when it becomes an addiction, that's where I think like the egg comes from or like, that's
04:07:00.680
Well, I, I mean, you, you're right that I think that you can, uh, lose yourself in any
04:07:08.020
You can do, you can lose yourself in any passion, which you have.
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But honestly, I think that most women just get the egg from video games because the attention
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is not on them and they just like seeing men miserable, honestly.
04:07:18.240
I mean, it's not, there's no good answer for it.
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Women will spend hours of their fucking time doing their nails hours.
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In fact, show of hands, how many women here have spent multiple hours on their nails?
04:07:55.560
But time is the most expensive thing ever, right?
04:07:57.780
So if a man wants to spend his very expensive time on just gaming, why won't you just let him
04:08:07.920
Now, I want you to think of how unreasonable it would be if a man came over to you and
04:08:12.020
I'm sick of you spending this much time on your nails.
04:08:17.720
Well, you might be like, look, I like doing it.
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And I think that that would be totally justified.
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But for some reason, men having some form of thing that they're interested in, which isn't
04:08:32.480
you, just seems to make women fucking miserable in a way that I don't really understand.
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I don't understand because women have all sorts of flitty, stupid-ass hobbies.
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They focus on putting pictures together in certain categories.
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But somehow when men play Red Dead Redemption 2 and are you playing that stupid game again?
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It's like, yeah, I'm playing the stupid game again.
04:09:03.100
I would say that women innately, when you don't have God or something else to take that
04:09:08.040
place in your life, fill that hole in your heart, they will look to their partners to
04:09:13.240
And so maybe the types of relationships that you're talking about stem from women who
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look to their partners like they're God and they just want all of their attention.
04:09:23.020
And when you don't give it to them, then it's wrong.
04:09:24.960
But I would say that when you're in a healthy relationship where you're not each other's
04:09:28.500
idols, then it is okay for a man to have another hobby, like playing video games.
04:09:33.400
Maybe if it's equal to me getting my nails done or doing my hair or whatever, you should
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If he spends two more hours or five more hours or 10 more hours per week playing video
04:09:44.820
games than you do doing your nails, who gives a shit?
04:09:47.860
If it's not an addiction, as long as it's not an addiction and it's not overtaking your
04:09:54.320
Well, the thing is, though, is that you have to even be cautious with that, right?
04:09:59.220
It's like oftentimes what I'll hear from women is, oh, they're addicted to video games.
04:10:05.480
And what that really means is they're not spending enough time doing this other thing
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And so they consider it an addiction when there's no addiction.
04:10:12.720
It's like people who get off of work, men who get off work, they just work the, let's
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And by the way, the eight-hour work day in America is dead.
04:10:23.160
They don't really work eight-hour shifts anymore.
04:10:29.020
They get home and they're like, look, so let me eat and play a fucking video game and
04:10:33.480
And it's like, that seems totally fair to me and reasonable.
04:10:37.220
You know, I just don't know why the idea that men just must be...
04:10:41.960
You know, all the time working towards some goal to pamper a woman's ass just bothersome
04:10:51.540
So I'll say my ics are, I guess, yeah, just like nothing going for them.
04:11:02.500
I had something similar, like no goals, basically.
04:11:31.320
It's really funny to me how many European women say that, even though European women especially
04:11:37.360
are kind of like known globally and British people and English people especially for having
04:11:46.140
And, but for some reason, that's always a big priority that I hear from European women.
04:11:52.180
A lot of get bad teeth done, plastic surgery, but I never had anything with my teeth.
04:11:59.040
Well, I would just wonder if the reason for that is because it's so common that when you
04:12:03.180
see a man or a woman with good teeth, you're like, wow, that's an exception to the rule.
04:12:15.480
My friends go all the time just for their teeth.
04:12:27.720
So there's kind of like a spectrum there, like can't be nonchalant and like not care
04:12:34.580
about your partner, be too confident, but also don't be insecure.
04:12:39.700
Or overly insecure, like at least try to project confidence.
04:12:48.520
Like acting like you don't care about your partner or acting like you don't care when
04:12:54.340
they have a concern or when, or letting them care more about your relationship is being
04:13:12.500
Do you prefer it when the guy's more into you than you're into him?
04:13:22.860
You prefer the guy be more into you than you're into him or the reverse?
04:13:30.140
I think it only works when the guy's more into you.
04:13:55.780
We've had this conversation on the show before.
04:14:00.160
I definitely think it's the case that relationships seem to work out better when the woman's more into the man than the reverse.
04:14:07.520
Also, I'm not even sure if I believe some of you because it's like there's probably plenty of guys who you turn down who are like really, really into you.
04:14:21.200
So I think this added level of interest doesn't change your attraction to them.
04:14:30.220
So not like overly, but also like enough that it's like desirable.
04:14:37.280
And also, along with what you said, I had the opposite experience.
04:14:40.260
So with my ex, I was putting in way more effort.
04:14:47.420
No, it's just that I stayed with him when he was acting uninterested.
04:14:57.380
Wait, you said you were putting in way more effort.
04:15:01.320
Like, I would try to spend, like he never took me on dates or he stopped.
04:15:14.520
No, but I would try to and he would have like some excuse for it.
04:15:19.440
I think like for sure, like when you're dating, I like for like the man to, well, I mean like, you know, when my husband, he was pursuing me.
04:15:27.040
And then when we got married, it switched and it worked out great for us.
04:15:38.840
So he used to take you on on dates, but then he stopped and you tried, but then he.
04:15:43.860
So I feel like there's like a lack of effort on his part.
04:16:00.500
So, uh, um, how long, how, how soon into the relationship did he stop taking you out on
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So when you were first dating, what he was taking you out, like for dinner, what was he
04:16:36.240
So, I mean, a lot of it, like underlying is just immaturity.
04:16:42.940
Like there's the courtship and then, okay, well we're boyfriend, girlfriend.
04:16:46.420
Now we can just like kick it and chill and stay inside and do nothing.
04:16:57.320
I think there should be a balance of both where you can kick it and do nothing and then
04:17:01.980
you also go out on dates at the same time and there is effort from both parties that
04:17:06.620
both are participating in because you just like hanging out with each other.
04:17:13.100
I think after like three dates, as a man, you should just kind of stop putting effort
04:17:19.180
I think it's a woman's job as well to put effort in.
04:17:21.640
Why would a man take you on dates if you're giving him a headache or anything at all?
04:17:25.600
I actually, I want to retract my last statement.
04:17:28.640
After the first date, you should stop putting effort in.
04:17:36.080
To surprise a man, take him on a date sometimes.
04:17:38.700
If you're in a relationship and she takes you out on a date, would you go?
04:17:45.240
You say you have to stop as a man doing dates, but if she asks you out on a date, like,
04:17:51.080
Well, I'm kind of a, I'm pretty introverted and I'm a homebody.
04:17:55.860
If she puts on the candles, make orders, it's still a date, right?
04:18:14.480
Yeah, but I think when a girl thinks of a date, it's like, we're going to go out.
04:18:21.580
Yeah, but it's just, is just spending time together a date?
04:18:26.840
Because you're spending something very expensive.
04:18:31.040
So even if you are staying inside, like, do something that demonstrates putting effort into your place.
04:18:46.560
And if she puts on some hot lingerie for you, that's a date, too.
04:18:58.800
Then it's a woman's job to make the date better.
04:19:10.100
I invite a girl over to do a laundry date and a clean my room date.
04:19:21.720
And by that, I mean, I don't mean, like, we do it together.
04:19:25.160
I just do something else while you do it for me.
04:19:44.060
Women will have sex on the first date, but she can't do my laundry?
04:19:50.280
Wait, Nicolette, you've had a one-night stand, right?
04:19:55.920
So you allowed them to be inside of you, but you wouldn't fold their laundry?
04:20:05.200
You had carnal knowledge on the first date, Nicolette.
04:20:08.320
I wouldn't fold their clothes on the first date.
04:20:13.480
Absolutely, because I'm getting something out of that.
04:20:15.660
Yeah, she's also getting something out of folding my laundry.
04:20:43.140
I had her, yeah, so that's my, you know, she's getting my clothes, laundry.
04:20:51.360
I came home, look, I came home from a long day of podcasting, and she's got my beer ready.
04:20:59.200
I was upset with her that, with the tomatoes, I don't like tomatoes, but she, not even cut
04:21:15.860
After the last podcast, remember I did a bow for everybody on stream?
04:21:57.580
Listen, all the ladies here at the table, you might not want to do it.
04:22:04.360
Next time you're with a guy who you really like, just hit him with a bow.
04:22:17.960
If a man is paying for the house, pays for everything, and just expect a little bow when he gets home.
04:22:28.780
What does the bow do for you that making dinner wouldn't do for you?
04:22:34.580
And what's the difference between bowing and getting on your knees?
04:22:46.220
I think in your pre-show notes, you mentioned you believe marriage is really important, right?
04:22:50.940
Okay, so I know there's a cultural component here.
04:22:53.240
Uh, but, uh, I assume you want your future boyfriend to propose to you?
04:23:00.020
Will this involve him getting down on one knee?
04:23:07.020
Isn't getting down, like, getting down on a knee and, like, looking up?
04:23:27.960
I think it's degrading for men to get down on one knee and spend three months' salary on a wedding ring.
04:23:44.860
But what takes more, like, what burns more calories?
04:24:00.140
Like, when I think of a bow, I think I'm worshiping this person.
04:24:03.400
It's your partner for the rest of your life till you die.
04:24:05.760
The only person I worship him will bow before is God.
04:24:09.260
Like, I'm not going to bow before anybody else.
04:24:17.460
If your husband, you're going to be submissive to your husband, right?
04:24:24.420
If you look at the context of the scripture, if you're going to go there, and you have
04:24:32.220
a husband that is telling you to do something that is against the will of God.
04:24:39.040
Andrew, what is the ecclesiastical, theological, like, can a Christian man ask his wife, expect,
04:24:55.520
Yeah, I mean, so why would it, I don't understand, what would the restriction be?
04:25:00.320
There's Christians who bow to their priests, Christians who bow to God.
04:25:06.180
Now, I just have to ask you, are you to submit to your husband as you would unto God?
04:25:17.300
Yes, I bow to God, but my husband is not my God.
04:25:19.540
Okay, so then if you submit to your husband as you would unto God, and your husband asks
04:25:25.760
Because, in my opinion, I think bowing is more of, like, a worship type of movement, of,
04:25:33.020
like, a heart posture, than it is more respect.
04:25:36.560
Like, I get where you guys are coming from, like, it's a sign of respect, but I don't think
04:25:40.920
I want to untangle these thoughts, so I have them untangled.
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Are you to submit to your husband as you would unto the Lord?
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Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me explain my thought on this.
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When you submit to the Lord, you're submitting to His will, and what God is telling you to
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Like, if He tells you to bow, are you going to bow?
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Are you to submit to your husband as you would unto the Lord or not?
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Yes, but my husband is sinful, and if he asks me to do a sinful thing, I will not do it.
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And then it's not sinful in another, wait, wait, wait, hang on, hang on.
04:26:35.180
If you're in an Asian country, and you murder somebody, you kill somebody without justification
04:26:40.560
to your Christian values, they're doing something which is sinful even if their culture says it's
04:26:51.880
So, if their culture says it's okay to murder, it's not sinful?
04:26:56.840
You're, like, losing me in this, like, wrong process here.
04:26:58.660
Okay, well, then just engage with the question.
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What you're doing is trying to anticipate what you think I'm going to say.
04:27:06.480
In a culture where it's okay to murder, the Aztecs, for instance, they take you up on a pyramid,
04:27:11.980
they cut your heart out, right, and give it to, you know, their sun god.
04:27:16.540
From your, even if culturally that's okay, you would say that ethically that is incorrect, right?
04:27:23.600
So, if that is the case, when you say, okay, it's culturally okay to bow, you're also saying,
04:27:30.920
You're not saying that they shouldn't bow because it's sinful, right?
04:27:38.660
If that is the case, then bowing in and of itself is not sinful.
04:27:42.020
Yeah, I would agree bowing in and of itself is not sinful.
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Well, because I'm talking about personally for myself.
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I view, in my own culture, in my own tradition, I view bowing, like, I myself reserve that only for the Lord.
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Okay, well, then I don't understand the objection.
04:28:04.300
If it's not sinful inherently, it's no problem inherently,
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and your husband asks you as a sign of respect to bow to him,
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what is the actual objection other than you just don't want to?
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That is my objection is that, and to me, in my own view,
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that it is sinful for me to bow to another man and someone else's view.
04:28:23.620
That, so you just, you know, you just fuck the whole thing up.
04:28:27.020
How is it, wait, no, that makes no sense, that makes no sense.
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How could it be sinful from your perspective to do this thing?
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Because there's a verse that says in James that he who knows what to do but does not do it to him,
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And so to me, in my own personal convictions, like,
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I don't feel like it's appropriate for me to bow to someone else that's not God.
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If you feel like it's not appropriate to do, I can deal with that.
04:29:00.420
And yet, if you say bowing is inherently not sinful,
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then what is the sin if you bow to your husband?
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I'm telling you, there's a verse in the Bible that says that if you know that God wants you to do something
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and you do not do it, then to that person, it is a sin.
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If I know God wants me to go tell this homeless person or to go give this homeless person $10 in the street
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and I don't go do it, I have committed a sin against God.
04:29:24.980
Are you saying that God doesn't want you to bow to your husband?
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I can respect it and submit to my husband in my vows.
04:29:36.000
When you say for me, so you're saying God told you not to bow to your husband?
04:29:42.600
We're in the same culture, so would it be a sin if I bowed down to my husband in your eyes?
04:29:46.880
Yeah, well, I just want to know, when did God tell you not to bow to your husband?
04:29:52.020
Oh, well, when I read the book of Daniel and Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, we're going
04:29:55.740
to bow down to, or weren't bowing down to the big idol that King Nebuchadnezzar made.
04:30:03.480
You're not worshiping your husband like you worship God.
04:30:07.160
Yeah, and for me, in my past sinful, like when I was in unrepentant, blatant sin, I
04:30:12.580
worshipped the person that I was with like an idol.
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Because I bow before the Lord, and that is the only person I will bow down before.
04:30:25.640
So if you bow to a king in Europe, that's sinful?
04:30:30.120
Oh, so does the Bible, has God made kings elect?
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I'm not saying that it is inherently sinful for every person to sin.
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I'm talking about for, like specifically for bowing, like for this specific thing.
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I will not bow before any other man besides God.
04:30:53.020
I get what you're saying, and that it's not written in the Bible.
04:30:59.740
I'm trying to explain to you my own personal convictions.
04:31:02.720
You don't understand the difference between personal convictions and inherent sin.
04:31:05.960
Yeah, but your personal convictions are supposed to map onto Christian ethics.
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And if you say there's nothing unethical for a Christian to bow to somebody or to bow to their husband, if they choose to bow to their husband, then you then stated your secondary objection is the reason I don't.
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The first is saying this is not sinful, but for some reason for you it's sinful.
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Because personal convictions are a different thing than like what is written in the Bible of what is inherently sinful.
04:31:38.060
Yeah, but you can't have a personal conviction that God told you to like go suck a random stranger's dick, right?
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So there's, and if you say it's not inherently sinful, then why did God convict you personally?
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You're the only person he convicted to not bow?
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I don't know what other people's convictions are, but what I'm more, like in my opinion.
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And because I have a tendency to worship people that I'm in a relationship with, I don't feel comfortable bowing to that person.
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I don't think that's appropriate for me to engage in.
04:32:19.180
Yeah, appropriate is different than sinful though.
04:32:23.740
I'm not saying, I'm saying for me, I would feel like I'm going against God if I did this.
04:32:28.760
For another person, like Laura over here, if she wanted to do that for her husband, I wouldn't, I'm not saying that's sinful.
04:32:34.300
As a Christian, you get married in a church, right?
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And then the priests say to obey and to respect your husband.
04:32:40.760
So if your husband asked you to bow, to obey him, and you wouldn't, that's a sin, right?
04:32:47.580
Not necessarily, because my husband would know my convictions and like would not ask me to sin.
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But you took a vow in church in front of God to obey and respect.
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Keep on saying this bizarre my convictions thing, right?
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So your convictions are still going to have to be inherently or non-inherently sinful.
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How would you, if you went home tomorrow and you're like, hi, sweetheart, I just wanted to show you this sign of respect and bow to him.
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That's why I'm not saying that no one can ever do this.
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But I mean, even from your view of conviction, how would that be sinful?
04:33:23.560
Because it's setting up my heart posture to worship somebody else.
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Because like this is like my natural productivity, my natural tendencies.
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And so I'm guarding my own heart by not bowing to this person.
04:33:41.940
You're just like, I have an addiction to worshiping that which I bow to?
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Yeah, I don't, I still, I'm still lost actually.
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I don't really understand why you bowing to your husband, even if you had some conviction that you did not want to worship your husband as God, which is totally fair.
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I don't understand why it would mean if you did bow to him, you would be worshiping him, even if you were convicted not to worship him.
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I just wouldn't do it because it's like, it's my heart posture.
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It's like affecting the way that I view this person.
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Yeah, but I mean, it has to comply with reason and also the ethics which you follow.
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So it's like just saying, well, because it's my preference, like that's fine, but if, so let me just ask you this.
04:34:37.020
If you went home tomorrow and you bowed to your husband, would you start worshiping him?
04:34:43.640
No, but I wouldn't, something I would make as a part of my everyday life where he comes home and I bow to him the second he walks in through the house every single day.
04:34:50.920
Yeah, but why would that, I still don't understand why that would necessitate you would need to worship him.
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If I was doing that every day, I think that would kind of like trigger like almost like Pavlov's dog's effect in my mind of here comes home this person.
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I'm waiting for him to come home and I'm serving him and I'm worshiping him like every single day.
04:35:19.060
Yeah, I'm talking specifically about bowing too.
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Andrew, I just wanted to trigger that OCD a little bit.
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Wait, are we going to do a Rachel cameo, by the way?
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Does she have that pink, the pink, neon pink sweatshirt?
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We'll, we'll, we'll switch chairs here for a few.
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What if he was like, I want you, like, if you guys were living together, dating for
04:36:23.780
a year or whatever, and he comes, you know, he gets home later, he's like, I want you
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to hit a bow, like, as, every time I come home, and then give me a hug after.
04:36:53.380
The wife is snoozing away, so it's not going to happen tonight, right?
04:37:00.040
Well, if she wakes up, we can still do it, but otherwise, yeah, we'll do it another time.
04:37:04.080
Okay, maybe going beyond the bow, any objections to the laundry thing on the first date?
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Like, would you guys do laundry on it for a guy?
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But my question is, you know what, all these women who want a man to protect them, why
04:38:08.520
If he's paying for the house and does everything, why is it a maid?
04:38:20.720
If she doesn't know how to churn butter, she ain't the one.
04:38:49.120
So if there's any twins who are hot watching, hit me up in the DMs.
04:38:53.340
Yeah, I asked her, what would you do with, like, twins?
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And she was like, oh, I was wondering at the whole podcast, would you do that to twins?
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I'm going to have Anissa, if you can read this.
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By the way, I'm going to give Nicolette a bunch of shit,
04:40:31.120
So I know that you said that you aren't religious in the beginning.
04:40:37.620
I was like, how do you know so much about theology?
04:40:42.900
It's a centerpiece of my life, in fact, I would say.
04:40:45.640
Is that almost like the same thing as, I'm Catholic.
04:40:53.940
but from my view, Catholics were schismatic from the Orthodox Church,
04:40:57.120
but you would see it as being somewhat similar from your view.
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Did you have any other Ix or the effort thing, if I recall?
04:41:13.680
I think women should put in like 95% of the effort,
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I mean, if it was up to me, it would be like 100% effort from the woman.
04:41:39.580
We're going to get into some, okay, here we go.
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Would you rather come across a random man or a random bear in the woods?
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At least I know, like, the potential actions of a bear.
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And I don't know, really, if it's, like, 50-50 for a man.
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Like, they could either be good or bad, is what I'm saying.
04:42:50.100
But maybe if he's in the woods, it's because he's hunting.
04:43:01.680
Yeah, men don't go to the forest or wherever you said to find women to hunt.
04:43:16.440
Yes, that's the perfect place for them to find that.
04:43:17.660
I mean, by this logic, men shouldn't go to hospitals because that's where women go.
04:43:22.400
I would think, like, a nightclub or a nightclub.
04:43:28.600
Yeah, I know, I know, but just so you know, by the same logic, women do hunt men, and there
04:43:34.980
are many, many women who are serial killers, maybe more than even men.
04:43:38.680
They just do it in vulnerable positions, usually as nurses, usually as caretakers, usually in
04:43:53.900
But anyway, back to where I was before I was so rudely interrupted.
04:44:01.940
Men shouldn't go to hospitals and things like this, because that's where the predators
04:44:15.680
Yeah, so women also are serial killers and hunt down men and do horrible things to them.
04:44:21.860
They just do it when men are in vulnerable positions, usually as nurses, women do this.
04:44:31.940
So, if your logic is sound that men are going out to forests, some men are going out to
04:44:38.140
forests to hunt down women, then by this logic, men should basically demand to never have
04:44:45.740
Because that's where women go to hunt down men, right?
04:44:51.080
Like, if they feel comfortable only with the male nurse, then sure.
04:44:58.960
Yeah, that's super dangerous for a man to be like, I want a male nurse.
04:45:04.660
If that's your preference, like, I don't have anything wrong with that.
04:45:07.100
Before we have too much of a back and forth, there were two others who picked bear.
04:45:11.520
Just curious to hear your guys' input on why do you pick bear over man?
04:45:20.920
I feel like you know what to expect with a bear.
04:45:29.700
And I feel like with a bear, it's like, I think it's like for a grizzly, you just, like, play dead.
04:45:36.600
And if it's, like, a black bear, you, like, make loud noises to scare them off.
04:45:40.140
So I feel like if it comes to, like, if it comes to a point where they, like, try to attack you, you kind of know what to do.
04:45:54.960
Oh, I, you know, I have one follow-up question, but I want to just get your, uh, why do you pick bear?
04:46:03.140
I honestly kind of want to change because I don't want to die.
04:46:07.620
I would rather encounter a man and whatever that leads to than...
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The underscore random underscore bear donated $100.
04:46:19.520
Would you like to go on a date, a picnic lunch?
04:46:22.240
I'm seven, eight inches tall with a bite force of 1,200 pounds.
04:46:34.260
We've lowered the TTS to 100 if you guys want to, uh, get it in.
04:46:43.120
Nine feet tall, 1,300 pounds, four inches, bite force, pelt, speed.
04:46:52.240
Project man, engineer, excuse me, said hi to you at the gym.
04:47:04.960
Um, I, I did have a kind of different question.
04:47:09.940
So, here's the, and Andrew, tell me what you think about this one, because I think it's
04:47:21.220
Now, you can choose to either spawn alone or with a man who has a firearm.
04:47:28.980
Do you choose to spawn into the forest alone with a bear or into the forest with a bear, with
04:47:37.660
a man who has a firearm that could kill the bear?
04:47:45.000
So, he might kill the bear, but then afterwards he might kill, you know.
04:47:52.760
Um, yeah, I would choose the man, because, I don't know, I have a better chance of surviving
04:48:41.540
And so, she thought that that was an option, which you had offered, even though it wasn't.
04:48:51.340
So, the gal on this side, who's wearing the black shirt, had said she would come in alone.
04:49:00.480
And you just kind of granted, okay, you thought that that meant alone with the bear, but she just meant I would spawn in alone.
04:49:07.480
And so, this gal thinks that that was an actual option, even though it wasn't.
04:49:15.600
So, from my perspective, on my right, third down.
04:49:23.980
Okay, I think she knows it's alone with the bear.
04:49:26.300
Yeah, I know, but that's where the confusion is, is because she just said alone.
04:49:30.500
And so, then when it got to the other side of the table, she thought alone was an answer.
04:49:34.860
That's why you keep saying alone with the bear, and she keeps saying alone, it's because you're talking past each other.
04:49:48.900
But previously, you said you'd encounter the man.
04:49:57.420
If I'm encountering a man, I'm hoping that he does not have a weapon on him when I see him.
04:50:03.580
Now, if he does, then I have to take my chances, which is why I started with the man.
04:50:08.200
But if he automatically has a firearm, I'd rather go alone.
04:50:12.800
But the bear is still there, even with the man with the gun, right?
04:50:20.700
Previously, she said she'd prefer the man over the bear, but now she prefers the bear over the bear and the armed man.
04:50:47.300
Andrew, do you think that's a good one to add to this?
04:51:01.040
So, before, maybe the power dynamic was even that, okay, he's just potentially physically stronger than you.
04:51:07.660
But now, he's physically stronger than you and he's armed.
04:51:11.000
Would that still be a more optimal situation to spawn into a forest with no gear except this guy and his gun or you with a dangerous animal?
04:51:22.580
So, I would think that the answer would be obvious.
04:51:25.800
I would definitely, if I were a woman, take my chances with whatever random man with a gun.
04:51:30.840
I think that your chance would be significantly better of getting out of that forest than if you spawned in with a bear.
04:51:35.100
Going back to the original question, I think you said it's 50-50.
04:51:44.700
So, let me maybe ask the question a bit more pointed.
04:51:48.460
What percentage of men do you think would choose to victimize you in some way in this situation?
04:51:57.900
I meant it more in the way of I can encounter them and they can either kill me or not.
04:52:03.920
So, if somebody could or could not do something but the percentage could be skewed, there's a 1% chance they could and a 99% chance they couldn't.
04:52:14.700
So, could or could not doesn't necessarily imply 50-50, right?
04:52:22.000
So, 50-50 would imply there's a 50% chance they could and a 50% chance they couldn't.
04:52:30.840
So, what percentage do you think it is, though?
04:52:37.540
If you had to give a guess, you have 10 random men on a wall.
04:52:43.960
How many of them would you say, if they could, would do bad things to you if nobody knew that they were going to?
04:53:04.780
Like, I don't know for sure, but I would say, yeah.
04:53:08.440
Just, you're just kind of going off your intuition and your guess.
04:53:21.600
If you had 10 men, 10 random men on a wall, how many would you say?
04:53:25.700
If they could do bad things to you and nobody would ever know who would?
04:53:59.900
The amount of men who commit violent actions against women or against other men.
04:54:11.000
But I would like to ask this kind of follow-up question.
04:54:16.040
Because Brian introduced this different dynamic.
04:54:21.400
You respond into a, you could pick the man with a gun, and you knew that his motivation
04:54:34.840
But, the caveat is, you don't know if he's going to share resources or demand that you
04:54:41.220
give him sexual favors in exchange for him actually doing anything for you while you're
04:54:59.660
He's definitely going to be the one who's getting the food.
04:55:02.220
But you're not sure if he's going to share the food with you, and he can make kind of
04:55:07.980
He can say, okay, I'll share my food with you, but, you know, it's going to require some
04:55:31.780
I would too, actually, but I would not, like, fuck him after.
04:55:37.860
If I just have to suck his dick to survive, yeah, fine.
04:55:50.160
I'm not going to share shit with you if you don't.
04:56:21.100
I don't know why I just said that right now, but...
04:57:16.640
If I had 20 minutes left to live, I would go to Michael's and buy yarn.
04:57:40.540
Like if a guy just like showed up on the first day and he just like, here's some yarn, would
04:57:52.580
It would be like flowers showing up with flowers, showing up with yarn, I'd accept.
04:58:09.540
Drinking, socially on the weekends, love style, touch, communication style, bad texter.
04:58:53.700
You said you wanted a girl to make you a cardigan.
04:58:59.880
So you want the girl with the yarn to crochet or knit, but you don't want her to have the
04:59:33.620
I feel like I have to pull this one up in context of a convo that has to do with something
04:59:55.900
Before we get to that, we have the right one there.
04:59:58.960
The underscore random underscore bear donated $100.
05:00:06.380
Actually, we had another thing from you, Jamie.
05:00:09.540
You said, I do disagree how some topics are handled.
05:00:17.840
But most modern women need a reality check, so it's warranted.
05:00:23.060
I assume you're talking about Andrew here and definitely not me.
05:00:39.080
It's harsh, but it comes from a place of realness.
05:00:51.220
I usually just match the energy, so if somebody's being, if a woman's being like an obnoxious
05:01:00.700
But if she's just trying to engage and have a conversation, I'm not here to purposely go
05:01:13.380
You were a little direct, and I was like, oh, my God.
05:01:18.680
Yeah, I don't feel like I said anything mean to you.
05:01:30.020
Why is it most women are incapable of logical thinking?
05:01:43.240
Hey, thank you, Recon, for the great support to whatever.
05:01:47.480
They've had me on many, many times, and Brian's had me on many, many times.
05:01:54.480
I don't think I actually said anything mean to you at all.
05:01:57.880
I'm just hormonal, so when you were like, stop talking, I was like, I'm sorry.
05:02:03.380
Well, okay, so I will concede that that can sound somewhat harsh, but try to remember that
05:02:08.740
there's one of me, and sometimes when I'm engaging with a single person, four other people will
05:02:13.860
cut in, and so I have to control the room a bit so that I can finish the portion of the
05:02:19.040
But I always want to move to what the next person's criticism is.
05:02:22.480
I just want to finish the engagement that I'm involved in, if that makes sense.
05:02:33.360
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, now, what is there, ten women there right
05:02:38.240
So you can imagine if you had four people kind of shotgunning different points at you, if
05:02:43.380
you were in the middle of, it's really easy to obfuscate or move off of the topic,
05:02:49.600
and so I can't get to the heart of what it is we're discussing, and also that's often
05:02:54.240
done as a tactic by women who come in in friends groups.
05:02:58.080
They try to obfuscate so that you'll move off of the topic, and so I just try to keep
05:03:02.620
it on the topic until we finish the engagement, and then I can move to where the next criticism
05:03:08.240
I also just had a baby, so everything sounds like I'm being attacked.
05:03:14.720
What was your after baby food of choice, the first thing you ate?
05:03:20.080
I know that that's the most important meal of a woman's life.
05:03:34.320
She's an evil trader, but other than that, she's a pretty good wife.
05:03:40.500
I just started eating a whole bunch of red meat and veggies, and I'm down 35 pounds.
05:03:46.740
So, you know, so I ate that Chipotle, and then I went to work, as in went to work with
05:04:03.720
There needs to be more people with the mindset of Andrew.
05:04:06.980
No, direct, no BS, truth, don't sugarcoat anything.
05:04:12.200
Call out lies, hypocrisy, and corrupt mindsets, because that's what is so damaging to society.
05:04:22.860
Yo, Killer of Cereal, really appreciate the TTS, man.
05:04:30.060
By the way, Killer, I've been Googling cereal gifts to, like, for your custom TTS thing.
05:04:37.300
I haven't found a good one yet, but we'll get you a custom thing set up here soon.
05:04:42.920
The question is, would you rather be the king's mistress or a peasant's wife?
05:05:22.880
Were you the only one who said king's mistress?
05:05:38.620
Would you be personally willing to give up the occasional catcalling or harassment if it meant that you never got any attention from men or special treatment whatsoever ever again?
05:06:03.460
Does that mean, like, you'll never be in a relationship even after that?
05:06:10.860
Well, you could potentially be in a relationship, but whatever special privileges that men give you inside of society...
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Inside of society and whatever things that are done in addition to you, which is part of female privilege, you would no longer ever get again.
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But the way I kind of understand it is the guy's not going to make the first move, he's not going to go for the first kiss, he's not going to ask you out, he's not going to slide into your DMs, he won't message you first.
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Like, you'll have to take all the initiative that men typically take on.
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No, I personally don't mind catcalling, like, unless it's not violent or they get close to me.
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But if they're, like, across the street, I don't really care.
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Wait, does that mean, like, when you're actually in a relationship, though, or just the beginning?
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Because, to be honest, I make the first move, so, like, I don't really care about that.
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But, like, when I'm actually in a relationship, then I would still want the, like, effort and stuff.
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We'll just grant that inside of the relationship, it no longer operates this way, but you have to take care of everything as the pretense.
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So you have to take care of all the date costs.
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All chivalry is dead, and female privilege is dead.
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Women are treated essentially just as interchangeable widgets to men.
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I mean, I guess I'll still take the catcalling.
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Nick, can you find, you know, Zach, his Instagram?
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And I know some of you are in relationships, but let's just, you know, if you're single, I am trying to be a little matchmaker here.
05:08:13.800
So I'm going to see if you guys would date him.
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So this is Zach, and great guy, wonderful guy, all around great guy, nice guy, sweet guy.
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He plays some video games, and he can also protect you with an axe.
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I thought I would until I saw the picture with a wig, because I'm not into feminine men.
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But otherwise, if he didn't do, like, the feminine stuff, I would have.
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So one of the last guys I banged actually looks like him, so yes, I would.
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He's one of the most popular Twitch streamers on Twitch.
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Oh, would you date a guy who is not a feminist?
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And maybe also just add if you're a feminist, I guess.
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So, wait, no, you would date a guy who is not a feminist?
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Or no, you would not date a guy who is not a feminist?
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If he's not a feminist, like, does he even care about you?
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And I'm not talking about, like, an extreme feminist.
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It's just, like, you know, just, like, a little bit there.
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Does a guy have to be a feminist for you to date him?
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but I don't think he needs to label himself, like, I'm a feminist.
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but I believe women should have the same rights in the workplace.
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and I wouldn't date a feminist because they're annoying.
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What's the definition that we're going based on?
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He would have to be a feminist in order for me to date him.
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Sorry if I worded that differently than the original question.
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I'm not a feminist and I would not date a feminist.
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Why would you not date a guy who is not a feminist?
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I'm just going off feminist as like very basic,
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So, if he doesn't care about that, I just feel like...
05:15:10.480
Well, what if he believes in equality, but he's not a feminist?
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Well, I mean, I'm sure you have your own opinions on this.
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So, like, he doesn't have to label himself as a feminist.
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But if he thinks that women, like, deserve unequal pay or some...
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Or women belong in the home, like, I would not date him.
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If you were dating a guy who's a multimillionaire and he said,
05:16:09.800
I'm going to take care of you the rest of your life.
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But, like, out of necessity, like, it should be, like, women should have the ability to do that.
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But would you object to a man coming along and saying,
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I think that just means he wants to provide for you.
05:16:46.080
Well, I suppose a male feminist could want to be a provider.
05:16:52.500
Um, but, uh, okay, so you think they should be in favor of equal pay, and what was the other reason that you gave?
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Um, he shouldn't expect that all women stay at home.
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Like, I don't want him to expect me to do anything as a woman.
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Like, I don't want him to have any certain expectation of he thinks I should do this or that I should do that.
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Wait, didn't you, I'm trying to call back to the beginning of the conversation.
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But if they don't, I'm not saying they have to.
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Like, I would go 50-50, but I would prefer if they did.
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Like, I'm not, like, oh, like, I'm not going to go on this date.
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But isn't that based on a perception of a gender role?
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Yeah, but it's not like I'm, like, I'm, like, he should, like, he has to.
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Okay, so you would go on dates with men who you paid for?
05:18:24.920
So then you have a perceived gender role, a stereotypical gender role that you want him to do, right?
05:18:35.080
And so if you have a stereotypical gender role you want him to do, why are you adverse to him having a stereotypical gender role for you to do?
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Because if he prefers me to do something, it's not like he's, like, you have to do this is more of the way I'm looking at it.
05:18:51.180
But if you say you wouldn't date a man if he didn't pay for your date, then you're saying he has to pay for the date to date you.
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Like, I would still go on the date if he didn't pay for it.
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Like, you just got done saying that you would not pay for a date with a man, ever.
05:19:08.200
Yeah, like, I wouldn't pay for 100% of the date, yeah.
05:19:13.880
So if you consider that a gender expectation, then...
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That's still setting an expectation, though, that if you're not splitting the date 50-50, that he's going to pay for the date.
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And you're never going to pay for him on the date, which is still a stereotypical gender role.
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They're just saying, well, if we go on a date, we can split it.
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Or you can pay, but I'm never going to fucking pay.
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Like, in the relationship, I will pay, like, 100%.
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Yeah, so you have some gender roles there, though.
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Would you be more or less likely to date a guy who's willing to pay for the whole date?
05:20:08.180
Well, even if it's not an outright, so even if you're open to the idea of going 50-50,
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even saying, I prefer, or I prefer, or this is kind of better, that in and of itself is a gendered expectation.
05:20:32.500
So are you holding one standard for you and then one standard for them?
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I think that's a very specific scenario, though.
05:21:00.020
Sorry to bite in, but I think gender expectations, like, you can have that personally for your own relationship,
05:21:05.340
but I don't think it should be, like, your view pushed on to everyone else.
05:21:11.160
Yeah, but that really doesn't make much sense because the idea was, inside of a relationship,
05:21:17.480
I don't want a man to have any gendered expectations of me at all.
05:21:21.180
It's like, okay, if that's the case, then why would you have gendered expectations of him?
05:21:40.660
In a relationship, I think it's different than a first date.
05:21:44.720
Like, I don't have, I don't think I have those gender roles, gender views in a relationship in comparison to a first date.
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Like, I don't expect him to pay for everything, like, in the relationship.
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I think it depends on who makes more money and things like that.
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How far into the pregnancy do you want to continue working?
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Like, up until you would other, like, eight months, nine months?
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And then how much time do you want to take off after you have a kid?
05:22:44.340
I'm there right now, and that is not what you would want.
05:22:55.280
Like, preferably, I would want them to be watched by family,
05:22:58.000
but I don't know where I'll be when I have kids, so.
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Yeah, but it is very difficult to leave a two-month-old.
05:23:09.780
I had something else, but it slipped to my mind.
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Why would you not date a guy who is not a feminist?
05:23:27.040
And I wouldn't exactly, like, date a guy who is a feminist.
05:23:33.220
But if he wasn't a feminist, or if he was not a feminist,
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Yeah, I'm not really sure how you can even have levels to it, right?
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You're either pro-feminism or you're not pro-feminism, right?
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I don't know how you could just be kind of feminist.
05:24:08.980
It's like, you just are a feminist and believe in the feminist ideals, or you don't.
05:24:13.660
I don't really know how you could be in between on that one.
05:24:16.600
And I don't think most people know the true definition of feminism.
05:24:20.200
People equate it to, like, women's rights because the word feminine is in there.
05:24:26.440
That means you guys are splitting the first date and everything thereafter.
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I mean, it's not clear to me if feminism is about equality.
05:24:47.200
Real quick, before you tell us, are you about to use a standing-on-the-box analogy to look
05:24:59.160
Well, I guess using the one that he said, like, standing on a box, like, if one person
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is short and one person is tall, you're not just going to give both of them, like, one
05:25:08.200
You're probably going to give the shorter person two boxes.
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Like I said, like, giving both one box is equality.
05:25:42.320
I've heard, I've heard some feminist arguments about, well, equality would be, for example,
05:25:49.460
both men and women being subject to military conscription, the way that men are currently,
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but women, well, women aren't, but it would be equality for both men and women to be subject
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But I've also heard that it's not equity to have women be, to have to register for the
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Do you think women should be subject to the draft forced military conscription the same
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Or is that, it's equity the way it is currently?
05:26:22.720
So, just to be clear, wait, wait, wait, just one sec.
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So, currently, men have to register for selective service.
05:26:30.220
If they don't, there's a bunch of negative ramifications.
05:26:46.260
They have to register for the selective service.
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Women don't have to register for the selective service.
05:26:55.000
Well, I feel like men shouldn't have to be, but if it had to be one, I would say men, but
05:27:02.280
Wait, but so given the reality that men do have to register with a selective service and
05:27:09.960
governments and nations are, they're not going to relinquish their right to, uh, uh, force
05:27:15.100
their citizenry into military, into a military conflict, um, should women equally have to
05:27:26.940
Um, I personally don't want to, but I wouldn't be entirely like against it.
05:27:33.120
Well, it, it, it wouldn't really be like, if there was a draft, it wouldn't really be
05:27:50.920
Well, so you might be against having to make women be subject to military conscription, but
05:27:58.420
if they were subject to military conscription, a woman couldn't say, well, if they do get
05:28:06.980
The whole point of a draft military conscription is you get forced to do it, right?
05:28:12.900
Um, so are you fine with women being forced into military service the same way men are?
05:28:27.620
Real, real quick, before you, before you get into it, I'm sorry, hold the thought for
05:28:31.380
I just wanted to ask a quick follow-up question on the idea of the boxes with the looking over
05:28:37.460
So, the idea here, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, is that if two people are going
05:28:42.760
to look over a fence, one's five foot four and the other one is five foot nine and the
05:28:46.840
fence is six foot, you're going to give one a different size box than the other.
05:28:56.520
Why is it, though, that there should be some obligation that both can look over the fence?
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Why is there an obligation to make sure both can?
05:29:21.900
So, there should be, there should be a reason why we want both people to look over the fence.
05:29:28.140
The explanation for what equity is, is saying that both people should be able to look over
05:29:32.680
the fence and if they both should be able to, we're giving them different size boxes so
05:29:37.320
that one has a leg up over the other so that they both of them can, but why in the world
05:29:52.700
If you get a box that's bigger than my box because of my immutable characteristics for how
05:29:56.860
I was born, my height in this case, it seems like that's unfair to me.
05:30:00.860
But you're both looking over the box, I mean, over the fence.
05:30:05.800
That's still, you still get a bigger box though.
05:30:13.160
Why can't I, we would still both be looking over the fence if we both had the same size
05:30:17.940
What you're wanting to say is like equal opportunity.
05:30:20.540
For instance, for instance, if you needed a four inch box to look over the fence, and I
05:30:24.740
only needed a two inch box to look over the fence, wouldn't we both still be looking
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But in the case of like serving in the military, I don't think women should have to be expected
05:31:07.940
And I think it's, I'm not like taking equality literally as we have to do equal, we have to
05:31:13.740
do the same things, but we can do different things and they're equal in value.
05:31:18.420
But as a woman, you cannot say, I want to go into the military, want to have the same
05:31:22.600
And then when the war breaks out, I want to stand in the kitchen.
05:31:29.600
Do you think, like for example, so there's ranks in the military.
05:31:36.300
Uh, despite there being different physical requirements, uh, my understanding, I'm not
05:31:44.060
Uh, if you're the same rank as a man, I'm pretty sure you get paid the same.
05:31:50.960
Maybe if like your job designation, is there a difference in pay?
05:31:55.580
Even if you're the same rank, if your job in the military is different.
05:31:59.260
So one person, they're, they're, um, are, uh, infantry and this other person, they're
05:32:13.680
But yeah, so there's all sorts of different things.
05:32:17.380
There's all sorts of things that you get if you're in a combat zone versus if you're
05:32:21.300
stationed stateside and you're, you know, like, uh, uh, doing payroll and things like
05:32:26.840
There's all sorts of different, uh, various pay scales, even within the pay scale.
05:32:34.740
They're going to get a separation from family pay.
05:32:39.340
They get all sorts of additional incentives and pay for being in combat.
05:32:43.580
So it's not, uh, it's not, it's not just uniform across the board on pay.
05:32:49.200
Uh, I guess, so back to your point, you said, well, uh, men are stronger.
05:32:53.980
So then would you be in favor of, uh, barring women from volunteering for the military?
05:33:07.360
But you said, well, when it comes to the draft, men are physically stronger.
05:33:14.080
Well, so then should they then be barred from volunteering if they're not as capable?
05:33:28.060
Well, if they're just as capable, why can't we draft them for military service?
05:33:39.260
Like, I think that's, well, let's just, uh, you could draft women.
05:33:46.360
They can go to the front line, but, um, you can draft women and they can perform, uh, auxiliary
05:33:59.360
They can, the military needs, uh, paper pushers.
05:34:03.380
They can, uh, there's a bunch of stuff that they can do in the military that doesn't necessarily
05:34:09.860
To further this point, uh, for you, Brian, uh, it's something around one to 2% of actual
05:34:17.680
military personnel, I believe, who actually fight in any sort of combat situation.
05:34:25.400
And it's a very low percentage of people who actually fight in combat with everybody else
05:34:36.780
So women can be in a support role and it's still just as valuable as.
05:34:45.380
The military itself doesn't think it's just as valuable, which is why they give different
05:34:49.260
ribbons and different medals and different accommodations for people who are in different jobs.
05:34:54.260
They don't even consider them to have the same value.
05:34:57.180
So, for instance, uh, you're not going to get, uh, a combat medal if you weren't in combat,
05:35:05.280
So even the military does not scale these equally and consider some to have more merit
05:35:09.740
than others, some to have more dangerous jobs than others.
05:35:14.300
I'm talking about value more in terms of gender, generally.
05:35:18.240
Yeah, I don't understand, though, how, how that would equate.
05:35:34.340
So let, so let me, uh, let, let's pretend for a second.
05:35:38.100
Uh, let us, let us just, uh, do a quick mental exercise.
05:35:41.020
There is, uh, there's a tactic, which was used often in the Vietnam War, where what would
05:35:47.740
happen is a Vietnamese sniper would, uh, wound, purposely wound an American GI in the middle
05:35:54.860
of a field in order to make the other GIs have to go out to rescue them, presenting additional
05:36:06.920
If you were the enemy and women were on the opposite side in a combat role, would you not
05:36:15.620
sexually assault them and make them scream as loud as possible so that then their side
05:36:23.880
We have, uh, we have shoe on head in the chat, uh, shoe on head.
05:36:31.200
You still call me an interview shoe on head, you know, I talked to your husband all the
05:36:40.540
And so I know if so facto, then this means that you owe me an interview.
05:36:45.540
I don't, I don't, I don't know where I was going with that, but she owed me an interview.
05:36:55.640
Look, I know, I know we don't have, I know it's, we're, we're shooting in 4k.
05:37:01.240
We'll downgrade the cameras to a shitty webcam.
05:37:03.160
Okay, we'll, we'll get you, is she still in the chat?
05:37:08.920
Uh, we'll get you, uh, we'll get you on the show.
05:37:26.400
Anyway, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt, but I, people were saying she was in the chat.
05:37:29.580
Yeah, I was just saying, like, if I, if I was in charge of, uh, of an army and I was
05:37:33.840
facing off against another army that had women in combat, uh, my number one goal would be
05:37:38.260
to capture and then, uh, do horrible things to those women and make it as public as possible
05:37:45.140
Would, don't you think that that would be a highly effective tactic?
05:37:52.820
I think we lost one, so can we move the chair and get more room?
05:37:57.320
She, I don't see her, but like, I'm almost close to tapping out.
05:38:03.060
Uh, I think what we'll do is we'll, we'll put, uh, we'll put, let's put Morgan over there.
05:38:33.740
Amsterdam is actually my, one of my favorite cities.
05:38:44.600
Dutch are known far and wide for being fucking cheapskates.
05:38:50.140
Yeah, we do not tip as you have here and everything.
05:38:54.260
We tip a little bit if we want to, but it's not a custom thing.
05:38:57.440
Well, the Dutch are known, even the Europeans think that the Dutch are stingy.
05:39:12.020
It's that whole Puritan culture, Dutch Puritan culture.
05:39:32.280
Guys, it's been seven minutes since we last got a prime.
05:40:04.440
Send them to the, in fact, what would be equity.
05:40:08.360
Is for the next millennia, women fight the wars.
05:40:18.280
If you consider social justice to be a priority.
05:40:21.480
And the right of wrongs which need to be addressed,
05:40:26.000
then I would say that men, being the primary arbiters of those who have fought all of the wars of the 20th century,
05:40:33.380
would need to be able to stay at home while women went and fought all the wars.
05:40:41.380
That way we had a box that was big enough for us to see over the fence and all.
05:41:04.260
We will not do good if you have to fight out a woman and come on.
05:41:09.820
Like nurses in the war, we would be great nurses and doctors.
05:41:37.780
Feminist over here in favor of the women being drafted.
05:41:53.200
If you were, let's just say that you were like some foreign country who had a draft implemented
05:41:59.920
and you got drafted, and during your briefing they went, okay, the Americans are sending
05:42:04.460
over their all-female military to deal with us.
05:42:08.700
I mean, would you just, would you ever stop laughing?
05:42:11.900
I mean, would you, would you, would you, would you just look at your CO and be like, are you
05:42:18.620
Wait, if they showed up on the battlefield, do you even think you could fight through the
05:42:28.860
Well, we might be able to seduce the other side.
05:42:34.480
In the middle of the field, you would just strip.
05:42:40.620
Oh, hey, hey, enemy army, we're here to have lots of sex with you.
05:42:50.800
Darling, you will wave your string, or how you call it.
05:42:53.760
They would just, they would just bang the hell out of all of you and then continue to
05:42:58.240
fight the war again and just win by default, right?
05:43:06.420
Like, oh, we don't have to conquer you and take your women.
05:43:09.660
But for the ladies that said yes, that y'all do think that women should be drafted, do
05:43:15.760
y'all think that that's actually, like, a smart decision for, like, the country?
05:43:21.420
If women wanted to be equal, equal pay, equal hours, equal thing, you have to be drafted.
05:43:25.860
I get that you'll get drafted as women, so yeah.
05:43:29.160
But do y'all really think that, like, that is the actual smart move to win a war?
05:43:55.020
Like, do you genuinely think, genuinely, think that the best way to protect our country is
05:44:18.080
Like, the last 40 years of losing, basically, every war we engage in anyway.
05:44:36.600
In fact, we need to draft Shuan Head as the first woman to ever be drafted to military service.
05:44:47.440
I think she would fuck some people up in the war.
05:44:54.280
She would samurai flip and have katanas and shit.
05:45:09.620
There's a little bit of shoe simping going on there.
05:45:12.320
I was about to say, he's like, that's all I need to know.
05:45:16.160
Now she's a katana-wielding, black leather-clad, samurai sword, ninjutsu killing machine.
05:45:40.340
Because she thinks she will samurai her ass out of it.
05:45:45.700
You were like, yes, you're going to fix it for us.
05:45:49.920
I think, look, I think if we sent her over to some of these current ongoing military conflicts,
05:45:56.640
Has she even donated for you to be spending this much time talking about her?
05:46:00.000
No, but I saw her in the chat, and I said, no, she's a massive content creator, so unlike
05:46:19.320
Are you going to leave it that way, or are you just going to say something back?
05:46:25.040
Like you said, I've been engaging in every topic.
05:46:30.380
Listen, at this point, it's just, it's half the fun of the spirited back and forth, because
05:46:35.040
It's like, okay, if you're going to be a brat, we'll just be, you know, like, that'll just
05:46:44.580
There's not enough tea in China, but on the other side, I have enjoyed the spirited back
05:46:53.340
By the way, TTS is $100, if you guys want to get a TTS in.
05:46:59.920
We might do, I don't know if we all have time for a row session.
05:47:03.460
Oh, here's a question related to this war stuff.
05:47:08.880
I think we send Anissa and you and you and you, we send you guys, we should send you guys
05:47:41.800
You didn't play sports in high school or anything?
05:48:10.380
I will settle for a pirouette, which is harder than a plie.
05:48:36.520
He sent me a text, and he's like, Brian, please ask this question.
05:48:41.480
It's related, because we've been talking about war.
05:48:49.460
Bet the number of feminists on the Titanic declined dramatically as fuel lifeboats became available.
05:48:55.540
Self-identified feminists should need to register for drafts.
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And maybe you can send in just like a slew of $10 supers so that we can get the answer to this.
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Was Jack from the Titanic the biggest simp in movie cinema history?
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I mean, just pointing out, he met the chick, only slept with her once, and then died in the freezing water
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and giving up his perfectly good door for this spoiled, rich brat, who, by the way, was also cheating on her betrothed.
05:49:37.240
So I just wanted to point out, I think he might be the biggest mega-ultra simp in all of movie cinema history.
05:49:52.200
Well, you know, look, there's a lot of competition here.
05:50:02.420
She's with her grandchildren, her children, whatever.
05:50:06.140
Her last thought was of a necklace that was worth a ton of money that she regretted throwing away.
05:50:13.100
And that, it reminded her of Jack, but it was really about this diamond, you know, encrusted necklace.
05:50:25.520
Like, her last thought is not about her husband, her children, grandchildren.
05:50:34.700
Her last thought was about the gift that was given to her.
05:50:43.960
Yeah, I don't even agree that it was even about him.
05:51:09.740
And then after he became a shrimp millionaire billionaire and she had a kid and HIV, now
05:51:20.040
she's all like, oh, Forrest, I want to be with you.
05:51:37.280
So, the thing is, he couldn't be the biggest ultra simp because he had the cognitive ability
05:51:48.200
In the case of Jack, he willingly gave up his perfectly good door and then died in the
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Don't spoil it for me because one day some girlfriend will convince me to watch this shit.
05:52:53.160
Like, I saw the Barbie movie a couple weeks ago.
05:53:02.440
Yeah, and it turns out that when women have no sexual anatomy, according to that movie,
05:53:06.580
still the simps will come out to simp for them.
05:53:29.980
Didn't they talk about the patriarchy in there?
05:53:40.240
Who is the primary victim of war, men or women?
05:53:54.440
So in war, there's civilian casualties, and there's military deaths, and there's economic
05:54:05.040
In totality, who's the primary victim of war, men or women?
05:54:22.500
So I'm factoring, you can factor in anything and everything.
05:54:25.820
Okay, I'm just considering, like, your life to be the most important thing, so men.
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Madison's been kind of telling me, like, she really wants to ask.
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Here, Madison, why don't you just ask the question real quick?
05:55:20.340
And someone who's ran through, like, a football team.
05:55:53.820
Nicolette, you have to stay for the roast session.
05:56:00.960
Nicolette, don't you go out to, like, bars and clubs, and you're like, eh, it's 3 a.m.
05:56:15.560
Wait, will you chug the whole champagne bottle?
05:56:35.420
Or wait, I'll frame it like, do you think it's insecure for men to care about body count?
05:56:55.760
I don't think it makes them insecure, but I don't particularly want them.
05:56:59.780
Like, I think, I don't think they should care about body count.
05:57:05.260
I don't think it's insecure for them to think something out.
05:57:13.480
If they care about the woman's body count, then I think they should care about their own.
05:57:24.640
Yeah, that they should care about their own body count and the girl that they're with.
05:57:27.720
So, going around the table, Maddie's question, what's everybody's body count?
05:57:51.940
Because you said less than 50, so it could be, like, more than 40.
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We're going to do the roast session here in just a sec.
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You did just say that body count doesn't matter, right?
05:58:58.020
Well, then why would you care about giving it out?
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It's like me saying, oh, this dollar doesn't matter to me.
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And then someone's saying, well, give it to me then.
05:59:11.600
Well, then if it doesn't matter what it is, why are you resistant to telling us what it
05:59:19.800
Yeah, but that really doesn't make much sense if it doesn't matter, right?
05:59:28.520
But, like, I only want to share that with, like, the person that I'm with, you know?
05:59:37.280
Like, I'll tell the person that I'm with, but, like, I don't want to just...
05:59:43.040
If they want to know, I'll tell them, but I won't...
05:59:47.840
No, but I'm not going to willingly say it, but if they ask, I'm not...
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If they ask, I'm not going to be like, no, like...
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Yeah, but who just asked, and it doesn't matter.
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So, wait, if you would tell your partner that it must matter to your partner.
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Like, they shouldn't be like, well, that's high, or, like, that type of way.
06:00:19.280
Like, I can tell them, but I'm saying they shouldn't have an opinion, like, a negative opinion about that number.
06:00:26.220
Okay, then if it doesn't matter, and you just think that people shouldn't have a negative opinion, it's really strange that you won't share yours.
06:00:34.620
It makes me think that perhaps you think that it does matter, and that people will judge it, yeah?
06:00:40.500
No, I just don't, like, want to share that with, like, too many people, basically.
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I mean, I only, like, I don't care what other people think.
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If you don't care what other people think, and you only care what your partner thinks, and you're going to tell your partner anyway, then what is it?
06:01:15.960
No, but you said, like, guys shouldn't care or whatever, right?
06:01:18.200
Yeah, so if they do care, then I'll be, like, okay, bye.
06:01:22.040
I thought you were more, because, I mean, you have your own personal thoughts on it.
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But you're, like, guys shouldn't care in general.
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Whether I want to date them or not, totally irrelevant.
06:01:34.780
Yeah, I'm, I guess I'm speaking more specifically, like, if you're, like, in a relationship or, like, potentially going to be.
06:01:56.860
Yeah, they can, like, receive that however they want.
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But you're, like, fine if they, it gives them the ick.
06:02:18.680
Well, then I don't care if I don't want to date them.
06:02:25.440
So, not to belabor the point, but body count, body count does matter, then?
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Then I just still don't understand why you won't share yours.
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It's, like, if I told you anything which I had or any information which I had didn't matter,
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I would happily share it with anybody or just give it to them because it doesn't matter.
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But if it doesn't matter, then why are you prying at the situation?
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If it doesn't matter, then why, like, then she shouldn't have to tell you.
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If it doesn't matter, why would you care about telling me?
06:03:14.160
If it doesn't matter, then even if it's none of my business, it still wouldn't matter about telling me because it doesn't matter.
06:03:20.340
I think what she means to say is that it shouldn't matter to her partner or anybody else.
06:03:27.060
And that's exactly how it felt when you were answering for other people earlier.
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This whole page can be said by her, and we don't need your interjection, which was unasked for.
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Why did you answer for other people, like, two hours earlier?
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Give me a single answer I gave for anybody else.
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When we were talking about prenups and confusion about that.
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Oh, you had to clarify the position because you're so fucking stupid you couldn't understand it?
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But anyway, if it doesn't matter, I am still confused as to why it is.
06:04:08.360
I still would just like a direct answer to that.
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Why, if it doesn't matter, is it something that you're concerned about sharing?
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Because you said the question was, if a guy, like one singular guy, like, would it matter to him?
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You can't control how another person feels about your body count.
06:04:37.360
You're a hypocrite and you know it matters both ways, you clown.
06:04:44.280
Guys, we're going to, we've lowered the TTS to $30.
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We're going to do the rush session and then we'll wrap up the show.
06:04:52.760
Brian, seriously, your mods timed me out tonight.
06:05:03.120
Just time them out over here on the Crucible, too.
06:05:07.020
Yeah, I don't really oversee what's going on, you know, during the show when it comes to mod decisions.
06:05:14.280
And unfortunately, YouTube, this is one way Twitch is way superior, is like YouTube doesn't have any moderation audit.
06:05:23.880
There's no audit log, so I can't see your messages.
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I don't know what was the origination of why you might have got timed out.
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But if you want, you can shoot me a DM on Instagram, explain the situation.
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Yeah, give away the location, personal information.
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Probably somebody, somebody's toast here probably.
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So, by order, if you guys do have to rush out of the building because it's a terrible fire,
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The left chick is just going to start knocking you aside and being like, nope, I'm getting out
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I'm going last for sure to make sure everybody's out safe.
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They should get out of the building first because of equity.
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It's a standing gender tradition that men let the women get out of the building first.
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Nicolette, even if there isn't a fire, jump off that balcony moir.
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I'm not a bright man, Jenny, but I know a dirty whore when I see one.
06:09:05.220
Nicolette, just so we're clear, you don't repent every day.
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Telling men you've been a very, very naughty girl is not repenting.
06:09:33.680
Andrew, you need to take a shot for every roast that comes in.
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So what happens is they build up, right, and then they all come through at once.
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I'll bring it back to war conversation since nobody wants to talk about dating.
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Andrew, what additional questions did you want to ask to my first message?
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I'll try to TTS back but may have to do several $10 ones if the replies are too long.
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They wouldn't make good cooks either in the military.
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My Sprinka goes like TSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTHSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTTISTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTST
06:11:29.720
They should be locked in a dark, cold cellar for 10 to 20 years.
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So he thinks that we're going to age like fine wine and get hotter.
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Anybody else want to try to answer this question?
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You can't take credit for that just because you watched the movie Saving Ryan's Privates
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a hundred times and so that come through a bunch.
06:13:04.320
I was going to guess like 41 to like 45 probably.
06:15:08.420
So, Andrew, was I correct that epidermis is a layer of skin, yes or no?
06:15:21.620
Nicolette is filled with more plastic and salty splooge than the ocean.
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That being said, I'm in love with the Dutch like a white guy with lightning bolt taps.
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Church underscore of underscore Scientology donated $30.
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Chair one looks at Brian the way that Nicolette looks at a double bacon cheeseburger with fries and a shave.
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You look like you'd subbed to someone's F without it.
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I mean, just other times he's been on the show, he's had more of a beard.
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Andrew, as your publicist, you can no longer shave.
06:16:10.420
Rational underscore redneck donated $30 to the OnlyFans model.
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I want a video of your father saying he's proud of you.
06:16:31.960
Yeah, my dad went out for milk, never came back, so...
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I do have a special one here for Jessica Rabbit.
06:16:40.680
They want to know when you think the War of 1812 happened.
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Also, I don't know why they come to you, Andrew, with the fat comments.
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Why didn't you stay to fucking read boring comments?
06:18:06.220
Nicolette, you are what happens when women drink during pregnancy.
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who would want you to keep smoking cigarettes every day more?
06:18:27.360
This who's a real Christian BS is utter comedy.
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I don't think that there's a moral ought when it comes to smoking,
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which is why they have no position on it, you fucking idiot.
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Whereas if you're talking about the sin of sexual sin,
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there is a church position on this of their food eating it.
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I just want someone to believe in me as much as Dutch Jessica Rabbit believes in that top.
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And I want someone to support me as much as the chair supports Nicolette.
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I can give you every support you need, darling.
06:19:12.720
Yeah, I was just saying there's no moral ought there.
06:19:15.440
There is when it comes to sex work, when it comes to prostitution,
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Even your church, whatever heresy church you belong to, has a position on that.
06:19:37.140
No, I think that if you engage willingly in prostitution,
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It's like spitting in the face of God from my perspective.
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So, did you have anything else, fucking moron, or was that it?
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Okay, so, there is, you know, you're single, right?
06:20:21.860
You are the reason why there are instructions on shampoo bottles.
06:20:32.800
You look like a playable character in an off-brand guitar hero game.
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What's it like being the least popular girl at the orgy?
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And back in the day, thicker women were the rich women.
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And if that's all you have to say about me is that, oh, I'm fat or whatever.
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Look, me, Nicolette, and Andrew are all going to join Weight Watchers.
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And this time next year, we're all going to be a trainer.
06:21:42.020
I'm already, I've been doing personal training for a while now.
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I've been on that show plenty of times in person.
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Do those also not exist because you haven't fucking seen them?
06:22:09.420
Nicolette brings nothing to the table, but she also leaves nothing on the table.
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My sprinkler goes like this and goes back like this.
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Meat virus donated $30 to the middle chick, the one that looks like Catherine Han from Wish.
06:22:43.140
If I had a choice of choosing you or the real Catherine Han, it'd choose Brian's Dumpy Bumpy.
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I don't even know why Andrew felt the need to smoke during this stream.
06:23:10.760
Nicolette says, she spreads the word of God by killing all God.
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Shout out to the girl next to Nicolette in white.
06:24:06.960
Can we go back to Angelic when she ghosted the man?
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He's someone who watches the podcast and he DM'd me on Instagram.
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And then I just like, I get like thousands of Instagram DMs.
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Like after the podcast, I'll look and like try to say thank you to people who complimented me.
06:24:33.340
But after that, like I don't have time to just sit.
06:25:12.440
Anyone that fucks you should be able to write it off on their taxes as a charitable contribution.
06:25:27.240
You can't just acknowledge that that was a funny one.
06:25:33.400
She learned long ago that the amount of time people can tolerate her is directly proportional
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But they've been paying attention to me for the past seven hours, so.
06:26:11.920
Nicolette, your picture is now replacing the gun to get people to stop smoking because
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the warning says stop smoking now or look like this.
06:26:31.780
Okay, I'll do one more with a different Italian accent, then I'll put it back to English
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Any final thoughts from anybody before we wrap up the show?
06:26:47.160
Subscribe to my OnlyFans at OnlyFans.com slash NicoletteNicole.
06:27:02.440
I don't know anything about this gank fan shit you guys are talking about.
06:27:15.540
Y'all can follow me at partofromero, and I'm showing everybody that I'm losing weight.
06:27:20.740
I'm putting it out there, and it's all my work.
06:27:32.160
Yeah, I lost 100 pounds, and I gained it back, and so now I'm losing it again.
06:27:40.400
Did your father die after he saw how you turned out?
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I guarantee he's happier even if he ended up in hell.
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Nathan Roscoe underscore on underscore YouTube donated $37.77.
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We all bleed red, but in Nicolette's case, when she gets cut or removes a tampon, gravy pours out.
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That is kind of a roast, but I appreciate the message, Roscoe.
06:28:44.020
There hasn't been a single roast of Brian tonight.
06:29:02.280
Did you make a roast for Brian back in your head?
06:29:17.740
Brian is a nice guy, but you can direct the eye or this direction.
06:29:25.700
Well, because I think that niceness is a subterfuge way in modernity to avoid telling any sort
06:29:46.240
And also, Brian doesn't give us enough information about himself.
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General underscore Jack underscore Ripper donated $30.
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I was going to write something for the roast, but I can't think of anything worse than the
06:30:51.240
Is that like a Godfather impression, or what are you doing?
06:30:54.480
No, it's just like a British underbitten chick.
06:31:08.880
You're a nice leaf curtain slapping you in the lips between the sheets.
06:31:12.900
Also, you seem like you're on your period tonight.
06:31:26.120
This is like almost a backhanded, like, oh, you look good tonight.
06:31:34.460
I mean, I'm on my period every show, is the thing.
06:31:40.220
No, you mean like every night I'm on my period.
06:31:42.500
It's because he has a reputation to uphold, especially running these podcasts.
06:31:49.960
Well, the first few podcasts, you never went off on a girl.
06:31:53.640
The past, like, two podcasts I've been on, you've went off on girls for, like, not that important.
06:32:15.700
But to be fair, he was only kind of harsh with you because there's...
06:32:21.900
As an online creator, you may note that slander is the order of the day from people who don't
06:32:27.820
So, I could see why he would get upset if you said that there was an interaction for
06:32:32.760
dating or something like that, and it could be misapplied, even if it was a joke.
06:32:43.620
That's what I mean by the distinction between nice and kind.
06:32:58.100
All right, you guys have five minutes to roast.
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And I'll add on another five minutes for every time you say we need less time.
06:33:17.040
So, if you guys want to roast her, we're about to wrap.
06:33:41.780
Yeah, you're going to take that seat next to Nicolette.
06:33:51.640
Ways and Girl in Chair One, if you're single, would Brickson be your type?
06:33:55.460
You could be the Kristen Kruick to his Tom Welling.
06:34:02.140
Nicolette is a Christian in the same way that a crackhead taking a dump on your lawn is a
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Either way, they both stink and are full of shit.
06:34:31.040
Are you saying this is like a retard or R-word helmet?
06:35:00.180
I've never actually interacted with Maddie, really.
06:35:12.400
Who was it that wanted to talk about red flags?
06:35:23.920
Red flags would be not paying on the first date.
06:35:31.980
And wanting to fuck with no condom during a one-night stand.
06:35:41.160
But you go to the abortion clinic often, so that's without a condom, right?
06:35:48.600
First of all, I would love to educate not only the women at this table, but the audience.
06:35:54.700
So, condoms are only 97% effective, and that's when used correctly.
06:36:05.680
Brian, your beard game is weak, exclamation mark, dot, dot, dot, boom, roasted.
06:36:13.480
Shout out to Andrew, Nick, Madison, Morgan, and the rest of the panel.
06:36:49.040
Oh, is it a deal breaker if a guy will not go down on you?
06:37:09.740
No, but what does he say in Spanish, guys, from Deadpool?
06:37:22.640
No, let's address the fact that Brian doesn't go down on girls.
06:37:31.940
Why would anyone subscribe to Nicolette's OnlyFans?
06:37:35.940
It looks like both her and the economy were affected by inflation.
06:37:48.440
But if there's a big labia in the way, he has to do, like, a fucking...
06:37:56.040
You have to, like, seize and open it, then you will be tired.
06:37:58.540
Well, he prefers big labia, but he also prefers not to go down on women.
06:38:02.000
Point out, right, that how weak your double standard is here is, like, well, he expects
06:38:06.620
women to go down on him, but he won't go down on them.
06:38:08.960
He also expects women to have the children, but I'm sure that the women don't expect him
06:38:17.000
I expect men to go down on me, but I won't go down on them unless I'm dating them, so...
06:38:29.980
So you didn't shock any of the football players?
06:39:29.560
My Instagram is the Dutch Jessica Rabbit as well.
06:39:41.660
Yeah, well, here, let me pause the TTS temporarily,
06:40:17.520
like, say it was a terrible train accident, right,
06:40:36.400
because she just lost the pussy in a train accident.
06:41:10.260
She's saying that he would already stay with him.
06:42:09.480
Also, like, I'm very traditional in the sense of,
06:42:54.060
Now, I've been getting pussy bean the whole show, right?
06:43:00.460
But you just classified yourself as a series of holes.
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But, you know, I'm supposed to treat you special,
06:43:20.680
get another bitch that got a pussy to come on in.
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I think you both are good at lightening the mood.
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I would say I've learned more from the both of you than I have in my college years.
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I think you guys both expand really well on topics and open up the conversation.
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you're always very nice to me and I appreciate that.
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I admire your relationship with your wife a lot and it's like my dream.
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though I feel like it could be subtle manipulation.
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I hope all of you come back and we can do some verbal,
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I'm supposed to be able to turn on the waterworks the other way.
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And then you'll pull that up in the window tab,
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I'd like to end the show by seeing if we can't use this as a moment,
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as an opportunity to give you two a call to action.
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Would you both consider stopping sex work tonight?
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I will eventually quit if it's safe enough financial to quit.
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Are they just going out of their way to make us feel like shit about ourselves?
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Thank you to everyone who so generously super chats,
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We will be live again with another dating talk Sunday at 5 p.m.
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And she's just chilling in the city or something.