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00:02:39.040 going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age occupation and also

00:02:43.800 uh where you're from your location hi i'm nala the ahago queen i am 25 years old i literally live

00:02:49.860 in the valley right now in california and i'm on only fans i also do martial arts boxing and weapons

00:02:56.480 training okay uh the san fernando valley correct or oh wait i thought you said you live in the valley

00:03:05.440 yeah kind of like tarzana area oh okay oh okay already underscore x underscore donated two hundred

00:03:12.640 dollars no when you thought you were going to get peace nala not on my watch you will never find

00:03:19.200 lovers whoa whoa whoa hey come on let's uh no let him speak let him speak your value equates to a

00:03:24.360 stale soggy blackened mind no nothing thanks daddy wow there's a hundred percent chance that guy's

00:03:34.120 also subbed to your only fans most likely most likely do you like my nudes iphone case maybe turn it

00:03:39.740 towards the camera so uh do you like it okay there you go bad tx um thanks for the comment all right

00:03:47.780 um you said you do martial arts what uh like brazilian jiu-jitsu um jiu-jitsu not brazilian jiu-jitsu

00:03:54.740 but jiu-jitsu more is like taking people to the ground i like taekwondo i really like wing

00:04:00.080 taekwondo oh i'm kidding i'm kidding sorry that was a terrible that was a terrible joke okay um but

00:04:08.280 just multiple forms i think it's important to know multiple forms of martial arts oh wow okay

00:04:13.860 they're already starting to make two hundred dollars ladies your past does not dictate your

00:04:19.560 future can we get through the intro andrew married a feminist minded older baby mama with a high body

00:04:24.160 counten two kids by her ex-boyfriend this proves there is hope for 304s everywhere looks like they

00:04:31.980 have smoke for everybody today so let let me let me respond by kind of letting you know that you're

00:04:39.740 probably a rampant homosexual and i have no respect for you whatsoever so just letting you know and

00:04:45.440 none of that's true by the way so just letting you know that too i didn't believe it okay good talk

00:04:51.560 um wow all right i'm off to a great start here um okay so uh what about you uh yeah my name is

00:05:01.280 kyla i go by not so erudite online i'm a progressive liberal who's radical in all the right places

00:05:07.520 did you say age 29 oh 29 okay gotcha what about you hi i'm pixie i'm 24 um i'm a progressive streamer

00:05:19.000 and i'm also a partnership coordinator with pb so that's what i'm currently doing what about you

00:05:24.820 hi i'm caitlin i'm 19 i'm from jacksonville north carolina um i'm a progressive leftist radical as

00:05:33.720 well or pretty radical i would like to say um okay right yeah very a little maybe a little okay

00:05:40.540 too crazy all right radical writing that down okay what about you um my name is eden diabetic gucci

00:05:47.520 uh okay diabetic gucci so you're i might do only fans you oh what and but you have diabetes yeah

00:05:56.400 okay um is it type one type two or type one okay people usually don't know so okay got it uh age

00:06:03.900 i'm 22 22 okay gotcha and uh all right what about you hi i'm salem links and uh i'm 20 years old

00:06:15.500 i am a model and i do only fans all right welcome what about you hi i'm alexa i'm 27 i'm from silicon

00:06:23.880 valley and i am a project manager in tech

00:06:26.360 no no only fans no only fans i'm tempted though i hear how much money y'all make and i'm not gonna lie

00:06:34.280 my name is uh my name is andrew wilson i'm a far-right christian populist i guess that would

00:06:41.640 be the closest you could describe me as um and i own a channel on youtube called the crucible which

00:06:48.180 i host and it's one of the fastest growing debate channels if not the fastest growing debate channel

00:06:52.220 on youtube all right cool so we're gonna on only fans not okay who the hell would want to pay for

00:06:58.980 that i'd pay for it are you proposing a collaboration i mean he is christian i was a pastor's daughter

00:07:06.440 oh actually wait we have some news articles about that that we can look at really quickly

00:07:11.960 yeah so you used to be maybe you can tell us briefly about yeah that history so i was a pastor's

00:07:17.820 daughter starting as a pre-teen my dad was a pastor for like five years um very baptist pastor and then

00:07:24.380 we went into like non-denomination what kind of baptist was he he was it you went to non-denomination

00:07:29.860 i'm guessing like probably center probably not fundamentally like did women have to wear skirts

00:07:33.680 absolutely not no there was like modesty rules but not like extreme modesty rules um very very

00:07:40.200 traditional waiting in worship very much so yes yes um but then we moved to non-denomination

00:07:45.680 and um slowly but surely he kind of got out of the church as a pastor and just kept going to church

00:07:51.600 and then you know i became a sinner so wow okay um good times we have some a couple news articles about

00:07:59.260 that that uh about how i have like seven oh no my ex uh i went from pastors that's the guy i

00:08:07.320 fucked until he became gay oh my god oh wow okay i went from pastor's daughter to millionaire only

00:08:13.020 fans model and make nearly 150 000 a month or sorry that's wait you did what now what that's

00:08:18.940 you did what now i was just hold on let's just let's just look at being a pastor's daughter to a

00:08:24.760 uh but you still use coupons okay scroll down so that's look wow oh my other side nick can you put

00:08:33.620 us on the other side please um wow that's quite the transformation you play violin i yeah wait oh hold on

00:08:43.460 i think i was like damn i look like i was like wait scroll up scroll down a little bit please just

00:08:51.420 so it's at the top of the top of the i know that's so weird what a transformation i know it looks so

00:08:57.680 different your body looks like you're 20 thanks my body hasn't changed you still play violin i do next

00:09:03.100 time next time we get you on i would love that do a little violin and so on okay if you sub you can

00:09:07.600 watch her play violin you make it actually can i have you tilt your microphone down what's there's

00:09:11.300 another article too right i'm curious what's the article so oh this is the mirror i gave up life

00:09:16.620 as a pastor's daughter to sell saucy snaps and now i'm a millionaire scroll down it was more than

00:09:21.060 saucy snaps oh look it was just a baby wow huge transfer oh wow okay all right off we go

00:09:30.140 all right okay what's a uh what's a saucy snap a nude spicy

00:09:37.240 bad underscore x underscore coordinated two hundred dollars first off only fans subscribers

00:09:45.520 are simps and beaters that get no play oh i don't give women money lord i am fathom subbing on only

00:09:51.840 fans ps according to reddit nala your nudes are tracked you guys they didn't want to pay for the

00:09:57.620 good ones you say let's try to be nice let's try to be nice you don't have to be nice i love this

00:10:02.900 no and you you like he says i love that he's having to pay two hundred dollars to say that like i think

00:10:08.140 he's a beta male who gets no play if he spent two hundred dollars to say that yeah you say like

00:10:11.840 you're just trying so hard to prove your point and that is just sad you basically just subscribing

00:10:16.740 to her only fans you basically just paid a room of women and you're like i don't give women money

00:10:21.400 like thank you so much i ain't getting paid so i think it's just going right to brian yeah

00:10:25.160 good times all right thank you um oh so going around the table what is everybody's current

00:10:31.480 relationship status are you single talking stage situationship friends with benefits relationship

00:10:36.800 married polycule sex cult harem if you're single how long have you been single what's the longest

00:10:41.060 relationship you've ever been in go ahead i've been single for almost two years now uh january the end

00:10:46.360 january would be two years i'm really really happy actually i feel like i've grown so much in

00:10:52.280 these last two years by myself and with my puppies and um i don't know my life has just improved so much

00:10:58.460 not having someone like hold me down um and yeah and you're did you say how long your longest

00:11:05.440 relationship was almost three years because i almost got married so is that the one that ended

00:11:11.160 two years ago or is that a different that was a different one gotcha okay what about you i've been

00:11:16.080 married for six years we've been together for like seven and a half um and that's obviously my

00:11:21.220 longest relationship so you've been married for six years gotcha got married at 23 yeah got it okay

00:11:27.240 um my longest relationship has been like three almost four years um i'm currently single um and

00:11:36.000 yeah how long have you been single for um about a year okay got it what about you i'm currently

00:11:45.940 single more single than last time he ghosted me officially um yeah so that's been for about two

00:11:54.280 two-ish weeks and then my longest relationship was about three years may he rest in peace he just

00:11:59.920 passed away um is this wait he just passed away was he because you were just on two weeks ago so is

00:12:08.780 this something that happened in the past two weeks yeah it happened last week on thanksgiving

00:12:13.160 well sorry to hear that uh wow so you've been single though uh but you last time you were on

00:12:20.000 you were in the situationship it was like towards the last it was like the last legs of the

00:12:24.960 situationship okay is that what the the man who passed away no okay give me uh give me a reminder

00:12:31.140 on the whole situationship situation um so we were talking we were like we caught feelings for each

00:12:37.420 other really fast he was a marine so we started talking about marriage and then it kind of got

00:12:41.560 really pressure like i the i think the idea of the marriage put a lot of pressure on him so

00:12:47.920 um and then he and also ended up realizing i or coming to the realization that i was not the person

00:12:54.160 that he wanted to spend the rest of his life with which is fine so we were chit-chatting here and

00:12:58.220 there every couple days and then actually last time i flew out to california was the last time that

00:13:04.260 had a conversation okay got it now was the breakdown of this relationship due to your appearance on the

00:13:15.320 whatever podcast i he didn't say anything about it oh okay i thought maybe he saw you on and i don't

00:13:21.180 know he didn't ever say anything we talked like once or twice maybe after the podcast okay maybe i see

00:13:28.120 okay all right gotcha what about you um that's my pump i've been single for a little less than a

00:13:35.860 year okay uh all right and longest relationship uh my longest relationship was like three years

00:13:43.140 three years got it okay a little less than a year all right what about you um i've been in like an on

00:13:48.980 and off relationship can i have you just tilt the microphone up a little bit scooted close towards

00:13:53.180 you and speak close into it please go ahead i've been in an on and off relationship for

00:13:57.820 it's been a situationship and then like a relationship but it's been on and off and

00:14:03.680 yeah i think we're done now but you think you're done well we are done now oh you are done how long

00:14:09.240 have you been done um about two weeks two weeks okay and yes and my longest relationship was three

00:14:18.460 years gotcha and how long were you seeing this on again off again nine months how long nine months

00:14:24.660 nine months got it how many times was it off on too many to count too many like every other every

00:14:33.020 fort every other week like we'd be like yeah we're done like every week who more often than not who

00:14:37.980 would be me ending things me every single time or sometimes he would every single time so if you i

00:14:44.040 mean nine months if it was every week so are we talking uh like 30 plus times on yeah yeah 40 plus

00:14:51.420 50 50 no like like 30 to 40 okay um who would go back to who like or who would ask to get back

00:15:00.260 together you or him probably him yeah probably him him okay and so but you would end things

00:15:07.460 but why would you keep taking him back well he would change he said he would change he said he

00:15:14.480 would change and um it was a situation where i feel like i i in the relationship i felt so masculine

00:15:21.380 in a point where like i don't feel like i was able to be feminine and he uh is a very emotional person

00:15:29.580 okay and so um it was just kind of a thing where he would make me feel um you know like i would have

00:15:40.600 to kind of take him back because he would you know just be emotional and you know and i felt bad so i

00:15:47.740 would stay and then he just wouldn't um change so i yeah so i felt like the man in the relationship

00:15:56.900 basically and when you were breaking up with him was there something like would he be cheating on

00:16:02.480 you would he be no starting like an argument or something no uh it was basically just like i felt

00:16:07.580 like i was babying him like i i am the i'm the i make money in the relationship i'm the only one

00:16:14.100 like that you know i'm the sole well you're 20 right how old was he he's 22 22 okay how did how do

00:16:21.940 you guys meet in person instagram he dm'd you he found me on live yeah okay oh okay was he one

00:16:28.180 because you do of right so was he well no no he found me on tiktok oh on tiktok well was it like

00:16:33.960 a dance video or something no it was just like a live i used to go live okay just get ready with me

00:16:38.420 stuff like that okay so he slid into the dms do you guys live in the same city was this uh yeah

00:16:43.660 no he lived uh like an hour away he lived in la okay i see all right and so 30 plus times

00:16:50.160 on again off again yeah and i mean when i say that i mean it very lightly like i would just be

00:16:55.560 like yeah i'm done like and then like you know sounds healthy yeah um yeah but it was just i you

00:17:03.480 get tired of um i feel like you when you are at a point in your life when you are you know you feel

00:17:11.060 like you're ready to settle down and you um have everything that you feel like you need in your life

00:17:17.360 to uh succeed and you feel like you're you know finally at a point where you don't need anybody

00:17:22.480 and somebody comes into your life and you know and they're not at the same level it's hard to um

00:17:30.940 it's hard to you know have a relationship with them because i feel like you grow a resentment

00:17:35.280 in um like i i want us to be on the same level but you're not doing anything to get on my level

00:17:43.020 so it's just okay so it's been off for two weeks has he tried to get back with you or is this the

00:17:50.000 final straw final straw you sure yeah because i mean there's been 30 plus previous attempts to call

00:17:57.460 it off this could be number 31 you know no final straw final straw and i'm committed to it on the

00:18:03.200 whatever podcast yeah so we're gonna have you back in two months and we're gonna need an update if it

00:18:07.580 actually was the final straw and i'm leaving to dubai like back to dubai so i uh feel like once i

00:18:13.440 go back there yeah well i grew up in dubai oh okay okay yeah makes sense so because i've heard some

00:18:19.920 some people sometimes people go there no for certain gigs no no no i grew up there oh okay so um i just

00:18:27.900 uh brought a bought an apartment over there so i'm planning on you know starting my life over there

00:18:35.600 and um you know so i feel like once i go there it's kind of like i move on you know do you have

00:18:43.120 uh so do you have what is it uae citizenship no so i like were you born there i just became a u.s

00:18:49.200 citizen so um but since like i've lived there before and we my parents have had property over

00:18:55.920 there like we you know you no one actually gets uae citizenship it's actually yeah nobody has you

00:19:03.600 just get a visa like a living visa you have residency or dual citizenship okay gotcha you

00:19:09.260 mentioned that one of the issues in the relationship was that you were making money you felt like you

00:19:14.200 were the provider in the relationship um but and you don't need to say a number but i do know it can

00:19:20.900 be the case that when a woman gets involved with only fans for example the there's a lot of potential

00:19:26.360 to make a lot of money right whereas like a 22 year old guy who might not be well established in his

00:19:32.000 career might not have the opportunity to match somebody who's around his age cohort so do you

00:19:38.140 think that you know i completely agree and and there's a thing where i told him i don't need you

00:19:44.100 to make money like i don't need you to make like crazy money i don't even need you to make like

00:19:48.960 ten thousand dollars a month i just want you to show me that you're working you're hustling you have

00:19:54.120 ambition to work i see but there was none of that you know there there was no urgency to make money

00:20:00.540 and that's a problem do any of the other women at the panel have you had this experience with with

00:20:05.300 a guy yes yes so many yeah it's just so hard because even if they're not working it's like

00:20:11.020 what are you doing like you i'm interested in this this this and this and you kind of just maybe go to

00:20:17.440 the gym and like that's not enough so many people go to the gym yeah but like i want to do this and

00:20:22.140 this and you can't even come with me to this stuff so it doesn't even have anything to do with

00:20:26.200 only fans like our hobbies in general like i'm we're just more people like than that you know

00:20:31.320 like we're more of a person and so it's really difficult to see a guy they're like oh the girl's

00:20:36.600 making all the cash like i don't need to do much she's got the house she's got the car her life is put

00:20:41.340 together even if it is only fans money you know we still did it and now we're doing better things

00:20:46.520 with our life yeah speaking of cars can we find a picture of nala's green it's outside yes i saw it

00:20:57.380 i was like she's here she's here poison ivy's here you know what you should get a photo with uh pixie

00:21:02.940 after i would love that the matching green i would love that it's so hot you should post it on your

00:21:07.080 instagram be like this is my lambo this is mine

00:21:09.000 that's that's oh that's it well is she pretty i oh she's so pretty search for is it that's the

00:21:20.140 daniel mac video so that's it that's literally it which one the one just top left nick go ahead yeah

00:21:25.440 is that rodeo drive yeah i did it with daniel mac anyways yeah we're actually stranger no are there

00:21:33.740 any photos of it on your ig or there might be it's okay i don't take one together later are you is

00:21:40.240 there any room for you to scoot your chair like this way and scoot it into the table it's on like

00:21:45.300 or no uh is there any no no you guys stay there but it's a little bit i just it's it's the leg i

00:21:51.320 just see this yeah pushes you into like i just see this gaping hole yeah sorry my like right there

00:21:56.880 sorry sorry my ocds okay okay okay um all right uh i was gonna say actually um at one point in my

00:22:05.580 relationship i kind of felt similarly um but your current or a past okay got it and it led to a lot

00:22:13.880 of issues and i think i realized like i'm not speaking this of other women i have no idea but

00:22:18.460 there was a lot of things that he was doing all the time for me that i didn't really see and i think

00:22:26.180 like honor or respect and so i like grew this like level of frustration towards him that like

00:22:30.840 luckily i was able to like kind of snap my head out of it and be like yeah he's not like making a ton

00:22:35.880 of money it was also during covid he's a personal trainer he like literally cannot work and then he

00:22:39.800 would come up with the new business ideas and then there's like they like were watching his business

00:22:43.420 plan strategies and we like actually no park workouts either now and he's like come on um so there

00:22:48.440 like wasn't a ton to do but he was doing everything that he could around the house he was cleaning he was

00:22:51.920 cooking he's participating um the issue is that like i was working full-time and also doing some

00:22:56.980 of those things and i think um i don't know i feel like this like financial thing that people get

00:23:02.500 fixated on it tears relationships apart probably more than it needs to because i think we get like

00:23:07.400 weird notions about what money needs to look like in a relationship um i guess i just like changed my

00:23:14.640 mind i realized like i don't really care if he's making money that much okay i care a lot about like

00:23:20.540 is he high quality character do i trust him do i feel safe with him is he good to me is he sexy

00:23:25.840 does he make me feel sexy like all of these important things of an important relationship

00:23:30.580 do we have the similar spiritual values uh and the answer is yes and i'm not saying that you guys

00:23:35.680 should or shouldn't have broken up with partners i have no idea i'm just so glad that i was able to

00:23:39.960 like that's incredible break my head out of that because i love my husband um oh did you have

00:23:44.620 something for them i have a question and i i want to add to that because oh into the mic if you can

00:23:49.120 oh sorry i want to add to that because um i feel like i mean um when you're in a relationship and

00:23:56.220 you know there's there's something called you know a lot of people go through like 50 50 and like

00:24:01.000 there's a lot of talk between should it be 50 50 should it be a man treats a woman blah blah blah

00:24:06.240 and a lot of people have their own you know ideas on what a relationship should be and what it

00:24:12.580 shouldn't and i feel like from where i come from like my culture and my tradition it's always been

00:24:17.700 you know a man takes care of a woman right but obviously like i see a relationship as you know

00:24:25.300 we should be 50 50 and where we both trust each other we both do whatever we can to support each

00:24:30.220 other and whatever it might be but in this case like if a man or in this case like if a man isn't um

00:24:39.700 you know like you said your man was doing stuff around the house he was you know he's a personal

00:24:44.860 trainer he da da da da in in a lot of cases it's um like in mine he wanted me to take that first step

00:24:55.000 with him where it was like i want you to help me find what i want to do i want you to help me

00:25:01.540 go work out i want you to be there with me when i go find this and i want and i was like i can't help

00:25:08.300 you take those baby steps i will be there for you i will support you but you need to find what

00:25:13.000 you want to do because and for me my when i started the only fans he was around and he wanted to get

00:25:19.680 involved with that right and i was like fuck yeah like i i want you to be involved let's make money

00:25:25.540 but then to a point where it was like okay you're not doing anything else you're always on just video

00:25:30.400 games you're not cleaning the house you're not doing anything so it felt like i wanted that to be

00:25:36.340 my own thing and i wanted him to have his own thing and i wanted him to grow in doing his own

00:25:41.560 thing and then once we do have that then we can you know come back and make money together so you're

00:25:49.260 with that guy before you started your only fans yes yes and and we had a conversation did the only

00:25:54.940 fans help that so we had a conversation like before i started and he was the one that kind of nudged

00:26:01.340 me into like you know do you know you can make money off this like you know and i was like yeah

00:26:06.940 so he told me like i don't want to lose you to this i don't want you to you know because he's seen a lot

00:26:12.880 of girls change and i mean we've all seen a lot of once a girl starts or anyone starts making money

00:26:18.680 like that you know it changes people sometimes so that was definitely a conversation that we had but i also

00:26:25.200 feel like um he he would seven deadly simps donated 200 oh my god would you date and or fell at brian

00:26:35.200 also my sprinkler goes like this

00:26:38.080 uh if you want to answer the question would you date and or fellate brian i i have a strict um no

00:27:00.940 red pill or red pill adjacent men shoot guys i'm uh i'm out of luck i'm out of luck i'm too close

00:27:07.400 deeply hurt um we won't make you buy your dinner when you go on a date wait wait wait wait what if

00:27:12.860 i turn blue pill oh i'd be open he would never he would never convert me mommy

00:27:18.100 okay um so can i ask a question to the only fans girls real quick on these relationships

00:27:27.540 like did you did you were you able to articulate what you need in a relationship it wasn't if it

00:27:34.400 wasn't a financial or monetary like did you verbalize to them what they could contribute

00:27:39.420 because i feel like for a lot of guys like depending on how you're raised there's a small

00:27:44.800 window of where men feel like they can contribute and feel like they have a purpose and have that

00:27:48.660 and unless someone's willing to articulate something other than that you know i i don't

00:27:53.860 yeah sweet tooth thank you for the gifted 20 memberships um if you guys can give quick

00:28:01.680 responses to that go ahead i feel like kind of similar to what she said like for me it's not

00:28:05.480 even about them being able to make the same money as me because like you were saying it's not the

00:28:09.040 realistic thing all the time especially at the age it's more about the ambition and i've definitely

00:28:13.420 like articulated that in past relationships and there's been times where i feel like i was more

00:28:17.480 blinded when i was younger about the money and someone was doing everything they could

00:28:21.180 and then there's been times where a man just had no ambition period for me i feel like i'm very good

00:28:28.680 at communicating what i want i because like i i'm gone this far in life and i know what i want

00:28:35.500 and it's it's easy to communicate that and it's actually very simple if you don't have money that's

00:28:40.740 fine i got us yeah we're good you could fucking live with me that's fine i'll be mommy and daddy

00:28:45.540 but for me it's like don't you have a tattoo here wait nick yeah can you show it to this camera right

00:28:52.000 here you have a daddy tattoo on your on your lip it was the best thing i ever got absolutely not

00:28:57.180 and if it did pain is pleasure there's very few nerves in the front of your leg yeah don't those

00:29:00.960 disappear after a while too i heard that but it's been like two years right now really yeah it's

00:29:05.040 really wet it's the same thing with your fingers if you yeah it's just so wet brian

00:29:08.860 haram okay good so yeah it's easy to communicate but for me it's really the simplest things i want

00:29:19.180 to go take a drive with you at sunset i want to i want your attention like don't just be on your

00:29:24.640 phone we're in such a an age right now where like everyone's stuck in their phones yeah and i'm like

00:29:30.380 man put it away like i worked and bust my ass so we could be here and you're on your phone

00:29:35.000 like you're like oh i'm grinding i'm grinding like no i'm right here yeah so what what do you

00:29:41.960 feel like though is is your limit like would you be in a relationship with someone where okay like

00:29:49.160 the first couple years you guys you know you're the breadwinner and he you know it's cool like he's

00:29:55.140 giving you attention he's giving you all that and then you get married blah blah blah he's still not

00:29:59.300 getting a job not doing you know so if i get married to someone we have an amazing connection

00:30:05.460 and money never mattered anyway so it just it wouldn't carry on to all of a sudden matter because

00:30:11.600 i make very smart financial moves for my own future which means i would have been making it for both of

00:30:16.880 us well do you do you want to get married though yes you do okay yes because i do last last very down

00:30:23.560 the line i've i've really had these last two years to really think and get to know myself i started

00:30:30.700 this book called the art of being alone and it really talks you through like loving yourself and

00:30:36.100 like you're not alone you're literally just with yourself like date yourself like do things with

00:30:41.360 yourself and it's it's eye-opening i've changed so much in these last two years being single and i don't

00:30:47.140 feel like anyone's ever encouraged me to be better once i started getting better the resentment

00:30:53.340 came in and it was like oh i don't want to feel this way with you you make me feel like i'm better

00:30:59.220 but you're like putting me on this weird pedestal and then you're jealous of it and it's odd and it

00:31:04.340 makes me feel uncomfortable it makes me feel like you're a little beta makes way makes you feel like

00:31:09.040 a little beta no it makes me feel like they're a little beta i'm daddy which you like which you like

00:31:14.100 correct or well she wants to take care you want to be i'm a nurturer but i don't want to be like

00:31:20.380 like you still have to protect me feminine i exactly i'm not putting a strap on on or some

00:31:26.000 shit like i literally wait i thought you did only to women only to women i've never fucked a man in

00:31:31.280 the ass with them the thing is once you hit pork you money then it is irrelevant to made it but how

00:31:36.500 it is made does matter selling your body is probably a suboptimal way to get there

00:31:41.760 yeah do we think he's had sex in the last year if i could ask i think he's married um well let me

00:31:50.600 get through a couple of my questions because i'm i've you got it i've got a backlog here um coming

00:31:56.520 back to you really quick you were talking about um your relationship with your husband are you the

00:32:02.120 breadwinner that's what stemmed this conversation are you currently you're the breadwinner in the

00:32:05.700 relationship and you're you're cool with that absolutely okay yeah and um let me see hold on my other

00:32:11.080 here i guess just to make sure because i really i'm really really intentional because i think a lot

00:32:15.320 of people when they hear that my biggest frustration actually in any social media platform is people

00:32:19.640 trying to demasculate my husband in any way 100 so i think a lot of what you girls are talking about

00:32:24.380 is this lack of like respect and even though i'm the breadwinner there's no world in which i don't have

00:32:30.120 like the highest respect for my husband he's still very masculine um he just doesn't bring in as much

00:32:37.040 money and to be honest most of the money i bring in is kind of a team effort because almost all my

00:32:42.020 business and adventures he's business planning with me that's we're coordinating together and so

00:32:46.220 it's like yeah i'm literally i'm bringing all the money in but at the end of the day i wouldn't be

00:32:50.500 here without him yeah and i think that's a big thing too is it's like i i feel bad for because i i have

00:32:57.660 been in a relationship where i'm the breadwinner and i've i've known people women where they're the

00:33:01.760 breadwinner and it's like it has nothing to do with masculinity with a guy but i noticed the

00:33:05.680 man feels that way whether or not you treat him that way i think it happens for both right because

00:33:10.780 you're taking care of everything not only are you you have the money you've got the car you might

00:33:16.560 have the space yeah be putting a roof over their head but you're also grocery shopping and cleaning

00:33:22.460 and doing everything a woman is like well female expectations yes but i also feel like for you like

00:33:29.680 you guys have like an understanding in your relationship right like he does other things like

00:33:34.880 it's not just about money like when i said that it was not about money at all it was about

00:33:39.480 i want you to do something with your life i don't want you to just sit at home and play games that is

00:33:46.060 i don't care about money if you're literally going and volunteering i would love that that that would

00:33:51.840 be enough for me to take care of you pay everything i would have agreed two years ago with you i would

00:33:56.180 have agreed two years ago because that's exactly what i said but then i realized the only thing i

00:34:00.140 fucking care about in life is being happy and having a content life and the reality is like

00:34:04.840 i've found that like most men i think maybe you guys would agree is there like a crisis of masculinity

00:34:11.080 going on period oh it's so bad but it's because of our generation i'd agree i think a lot of women

00:34:16.820 we're pressing a lot on oh women's rights women's like which we we should have we should but i think

00:34:24.520 it's to the point where now it's okay like a lot of men are you know stepping down and feeling

00:34:33.220 emasculated and i feel like men are afraid to be masculine because it's also like if you're

00:34:38.000 masculine you're right yeah right so alexa you said that in previous relationships you were the

00:34:44.440 breadwinner at one point but it sounded like i've had both so correct me if i'm wrong though you said

00:34:49.820 that you think it's more so on the man's side an issue when the woman out earns is that your

00:34:56.220 position that that was at least it's actually the man who has an issue with with a woman out

00:35:00.380 earning him yeah because i didn't i didn't have a problem or is it the case that women become

00:35:03.980 resentful of their partners when they out no i donated two hundred dollars bitly slash three ago three cx

00:35:11.800 bro let's not do links guys give fc uk most if not all feminists you guys are never argue with a 304

00:35:20.480 304 how much for my dignity 100 million dollars uh this is the answer that's uh how much for my

00:35:31.640 dignity uh seven oh 350 about 350 thank you modest trash panel no it's a great panel show bc high

00:35:42.200 caliber guest no offense andrew tech pm your devs hate you if you don't know how to code bet uae girl

00:35:50.920 lip filler looks bad panel what is a woman you spent 200 what is a woman someone who has a pussy

00:35:57.540 you spent 200 dollars to say that on a chat that was crazy that was crazy i feel like also my devs

00:36:02.520 have no problem that i for the fact that i can't code because that's what they do i'm a i'm a glorified

00:36:07.080 mom if anything and i make sure i make sure they get their work done and that's how it goes because

00:36:12.020 they left on their own they won't get it done so just to address it uh we were originally going to

00:36:17.300 have michael knowles on the show but unfortunately uh he had to uh cancel there's this last minute thing

00:36:23.680 with the daily wire but we are going to reschedule and i think i announced it i might have announced

00:36:28.840 him previously but uh we are going to reschedule that uh for a future date so sometimes just you

00:36:35.200 know last minute things uh cancellation so we've had him on the show before we've had candace also

00:36:40.000 from the daily wire so we'll uh we'll get him back uh on eventually but uh yeah um okay i forgot where

00:36:46.460 we were um i think i was just addressing your oh did you have something go ahead go ahead um to add i was

00:36:51.600 going to say i mean it kind of goes with he said the what is a woman thing i feel like you can't

00:36:55.460 really like like okay when girls say a relationship should be 50 50 or shouldn't i feel like so many

00:36:59.880 things it kind of goes into like sexuality it's a it's a preference some girls they know that the

00:37:04.720 way they'll be happy is being in their utmost feminine being provided for and there's a man who's

00:37:08.700 gonna enjoy doing that there's a woman who wants to take care of a man and prefers a submissive man

00:37:13.140 there's a girl who doesn't mind taking care of a man and he can still be the masculine one it's like

00:37:17.240 everyone has their own preferences and then just trying to put other people's relationship

00:37:21.360 in a box kind of just shows you're unhappy with yourself yeah oh true if you was that directed

00:37:26.520 at the most recent chatter or i mean i just kind of got right it's just in general but then when he

00:37:31.120 was saying that what is a woman it kind of reminded me of that because in a similar light like what

00:37:35.280 being a woman would be different to each woman what makes them feel like a woman well since he did

00:37:40.020 ask we might as well go around the table on this and i do i have a ton of questions i still need to

00:37:44.360 initial i mean i have a dozen questions but uh what is a woman oh boy he wants to get

00:37:51.320 they want they want to get into it right away wow so i do believe in god and i believe that god

00:37:58.360 created man and woman and i know this is stepping on toes and just again everyone has their own

00:38:05.080 opinion i'm not forcing mine on anyone this is purely just what i believe that your god think it's

00:38:10.920 a sin to do only fans are you talking about my god or our god well what god do you believe in

00:38:16.200 well well the god that i believe in thinks that that's a sin okay i agree with that too i don't

00:38:21.440 think that god's like looking down at me and being like oh great job nala that's the daddy i created

00:38:26.360 right there um but so you think that the god that you believe in knows that you're sinning and you're

00:38:33.500 just doing it anyway yeah but isn't that what sinners do uh well i mean i guess but it's not

00:38:39.440 usually what religious people do religious people don't usually claim to be religious but what is

00:38:43.040 well i don't understand that well isn't also religion is different than christianity like i mean

00:38:47.880 well that's why i asked you i asked you what having a relationship with god is different yeah what's

00:38:51.640 your god though what is it my god the messiah the only god yeah who's that though what's the

00:38:56.900 nature of this god the nature like is it a christian god yeah yeah is it it's the christian god

00:39:02.440 it's not like the buddha god so the christian god has a nature to him right and part of the

00:39:06.640 nature he created nature yeah but also has a nature you don't think so i mean i feel like i'm

00:39:14.520 confused by the question he has a nature of what of being god yes but i just claim that he was god

00:39:20.620 so if his nature is god i'm just asking you you think that the god that you believe in knows that

00:39:24.520 you're sinning you just do it anyway i do but i feel like everyone's sinning are you not a sinner

00:39:28.980 you know what the faustian deal is the faustian deal i don't have to keep me yeah yeah so faust

00:39:34.420 was a doctor made a deal with the devil so that he'd have more stuff that he wanted it was all about

00:39:39.180 him okay and his ego and that type of thing uh literally made you rather me deny god literally

00:39:44.620 made a deal with a deal well you already are that's not true that's definitely not true there's

00:39:49.020 true i just proclaimed his name no just because of what i do does not mean i deny him as my god

00:39:54.620 yeah yeah i mean if you believe what you're doing is against him then in a way so the original

00:39:59.460 question is hold on the original question is what is a woman she's answered it what about you

00:40:03.680 oh okay unless you wanted to add anything but okay right now a really shitty documentary by matt

00:40:11.300 walsh well okay but i'm asking the question what is a woman uh it's a it's kind of like porn when you

00:40:18.880 look at it you know what it is but it's hard to define so you look at a woman and you're like

00:40:21.760 it looks like a woman for the most part what is a female is obviously like somebody with like xx

00:40:26.420 chromosomes and blah blah blah blah okay what is a woman is somebody who looks and presents as a

00:40:32.680 woman and i know a lot of people are like oh no it's biology but let's be honest no one checked my

00:40:38.660 genitals or my chromosomes before calling me a woman on here and i didn't check anybody else's

00:40:43.940 chromosomes or genitals before calling them a woman so it's how they look like like their

00:40:48.840 present how they act performance yeah it's how they perform basically okay um i believe a woman

00:40:56.180 is both a biological woman that identifies as a woman and a transgender and or a transgender woman

00:41:01.900 that identifies as a woman and i would like to comment on what you said about god made men and

00:41:07.240 women i think i saw a tiktoker you know some quotes on tiktoks a couple times where it said god

00:41:13.060 created transgenderism the same for the same raise reason that he created grapes but not wine

00:41:19.880 so that the same way that we create grapes but not wine i was gonna say if we saw it on tiktok it must

00:41:26.200 be true must be true yeah i'm not even like laying down any facts or any biblical okay go ahead but he

00:41:34.220 created grapes but not wine he created people that want to create something so like we it's so that we

00:41:43.800 as humans can experience the act of creation is why transgenderism exists while and it's not a sin

00:41:50.180 and you know my opinion can i add something but would it be a sin if you're kind of changing what god

00:41:56.260 made is it a sin to dye your hair or to get a haircut you're in the old testament maybe

00:42:02.220 would it like

00:42:05.320 if let's say like when god created man and woman would it be against whatever your religion or god

00:42:15.360 to basically say god made me this way and i i'm changing what god made

00:42:20.440 are you are you religious by the way i am really are you muslim yes she's talking about a nature

00:42:26.420 distinction it's just saying if you cut your hair that's not changing your nature is it not you're

00:42:31.160 literally changing properties of yourself yeah it's not anatomically it's not okay so do you guys believe

00:42:35.920 do you guys believe that um what is it getting any type of surgery whatsoever those people are

00:42:41.060 sinning you're literally you're literally increasing your breast size or reducing it or

00:42:48.100 physical appearance if we took a cat if we took a cat and we gave a cat breast implants is it now

00:42:53.200 not a cat yeah you're changing its nature no you're not changing its nature it's still a cat

00:42:57.220 so you're saying cats naturally have breasts probably why don't you talk about cats do have

00:43:01.860 breasts guys one at a time an important question would be so you take a cat and then you apply

00:43:07.640 enough surgeries that it has a dog tail dog ears and then it starts barking all the time are you

00:43:12.860 still going to call it a cat that's the actual question that we're dealing with yeah i'd call it a cat

00:43:16.500 some people would still call it a cat right i call it a mutant the issue is that

00:43:19.920 the issue that we're running to is if you define gender as essentially the performance right if you

00:43:26.420 separate gender and sex although i would argue gender is obviously downstream of sex but if you

00:43:31.280 treat them as separate words then the question is why do we like if you're gonna say gen gender

00:43:36.320 and sex are the same thing why do we have two words i mean what's the purpose well let's maybe

00:43:41.000 let's go around the table to give everybody an opportunity to answer the initial question

00:43:44.460 what is a woman and then if you want to add any additional go ahead oh um i mean what i was

00:43:50.040 gonna say is i just feel like with that argument like obviously not every person is gonna um what's

00:43:55.420 it called agree with certain things or understand why people are trans for me i feel like the main

00:44:00.140 core thing is is if we know that their life expectancies are in there like 26 27 28 because

00:44:04.340 of suicide and for me it's more of like whether or not you understand it it doesn't hard to it

00:44:08.680 doesn't hard to respect somebody to hold people emotionally hostage

00:44:11.000 what part of that is well because if you say i will remove myself from the equation if you don't

00:44:18.440 do this thing i want you're holding people emotionally i mean i feel like if you're not

00:44:21.700 passing and someone accidentally calls you the wrong pronoun like yes you're being like you shouldn't

00:44:25.160 blow up on people for things like that but if like you if if you're vindictively doing it that's a

00:44:30.540 different thing yeah but isn't an emotional hostage shaking to say do this thing or else i'll hurt

00:44:33.720 myself no i don't think any trans person is saying if you do well then why would the argument come up

00:44:38.640 then no where she says the reason we ought to do this is because these people could hurt themselves

00:44:43.620 yeah there are absolutely transgender people who are saying if you don't do this i'm going to kill

00:44:47.120 myself right and that's not can we avoid can we avoid like of course i don't know i know

00:44:51.640 but i also think i also think like if if someone you can not agree or agree with something but then

00:45:00.240 like if someone came up to you and like said like to you know like respect them or whatever i think

00:45:06.000 that that should be respected but i also think like everyone has their own opinions and you believe

00:45:11.020 in what you believe in but then if you're like purposely like attacking somebody for what they believe in

00:45:16.740 then i think that's a little like okay like you shouldn't be doing that but then at the same time

00:45:21.560 like everyone also believes in what they believe in but when it comes to like a woman and or when it

00:45:27.580 comes to transgender and like pronouns like i saw this tiktok where it was like okay like if i told you

00:45:32.980 oh well i i need to be called beautiful and um i need to be called smart and if you don't call me that

00:45:41.760 then you're basically like you know you're wrong because it's like isn't it really the same thing

00:45:48.420 or if they say that they'll hurt themselves if you don't what's a cup i mean define for me a cup

00:45:53.000 or a sandwich what's a cup or a sandwich a cup what is it what is a sandwich something a woman makes

00:45:59.520 that's a joke come on that means curry is also a good sandwich so this is the chair argument

00:46:06.120 so you can never define completely what a chair is actually that's not what i'm trying to say at

00:46:11.200 all i'm trying to say that we tend to define things in functional ways that's the way that

00:46:14.620 we use language right so like when we go like into like what's a soup is a smoothie a soup it's in part

00:46:20.320 a stupid fucking question because nobody cares yeah but what we do is we act like smoothies aren't

00:46:25.340 really soup even though they kind of are in almost every single way but they're not really like

00:46:31.480 nobody treats them like they're soup so maybe don't call smoothies soup and so this is a way

00:46:35.260 where i'm breaking out to like i wouldn't say that a trans person is a female i wouldn't really be

00:46:39.920 willing to confer those medical terms to them but when it comes to woman it's necessarily evolved as a

00:46:44.820 word of functionality and so it's like it's really weird if you have megan fox but she has a dick

00:46:50.080 from you be like oh it's still a man it's like i don't think i think that that's less weird so

00:46:54.680 definitions also have definite ends they have support for what the definition is supposed to

00:46:59.000 be so we can look at words and then we can look at the words that support those words

00:47:02.620 what's the word that supports the word of woman it's female it's not it is it's always been when

00:47:09.500 is it never when is it not been just one sec just one sec just one sec fuchs sake forcing people to

00:47:15.620 participate in others mental illness wrong and hurts everyone it is literally an enemy action to

00:47:21.320 encourage someone to live in delusion stop the lies get some help i mean all right there you have a

00:47:27.640 good one i'm like to go back to what we're talking about earlier i do think the logic of well we're

00:47:31.480 all sinners as a reason to sin doesn't really make too much sense because like to just to know you're

00:47:36.280 going to continue sinning when you go and you confess or ask for forgiveness when you're asking

00:47:40.020 for forgiveness like is it asking for forgiveness or is it manipulation if i tell you i'm sorry let's say

00:47:44.840 for a relationship example i'm sorry i cheat on you i could cheat on you again and then cheat two days

00:47:48.540 later were you ever truly sorry do you want like the liturgical answer like catholicism for example

00:47:53.380 and say no you're not actually sorry yeah yeah and i feel like different religions and different

00:47:57.280 sectors of christianity might define it differently but i feel like i grew up i was like altar serving

00:48:01.120 waited till marriage in high school and for me the moment where i kind of had to step away from it

00:48:04.540 is if this is true and if i believe in a christian god that could literally damn me to eternal fire for

00:48:09.800 this this is the most important thing in the world so it's either i live by it or i don't believe in it

00:48:15.540 at all because it's kind of odd to believe in something like that and then cherry pick it

00:48:18.980 so did you just decide to not live by it i i mean i could go into depth of what i believe i don't

00:48:25.040 i feel like i couldn't trust the same uh church that was sending out millions of dollars of hush

00:48:30.120 money touching kids taking gospels out the bible most christians don't even know about mary magdalene

00:48:34.240 like certain things aren't really talked about which makes me feel i don't trust the church as much as i

00:48:39.040 i do believe in god but i wouldn't say i believe in a uh this one's an intriguer but okay a woman is a

00:48:43.940 biological female who doesn't have the herpes by that i he always met jay butler he always talks

00:48:50.780 about herpes by that standard there isn't any women in that room brian said oh my god brian said

00:48:56.540 the best on a long enough timeline all porn stars get herpes did i say that did you say that i say

00:49:03.320 that i might have i might you should yell at your viewers not paying attention not everyone here is

00:49:07.680 mostly all porn stars get tested and stuff like that so most porn stars are most porn panels don't

00:49:14.180 test for herpes yeah that that is true then a lot of the like they don't test for uh herpes so

00:49:20.200 or hpp the problem is herpes is also like silent most of the time so like there's one stat that said

00:49:24.800 like 80 percent of people have like silent herpes so like probably if this guy's fucked more than

00:49:28.840 three people there's a good chance you might have herpes my guy but i've also heard that that study

00:49:32.780 is not being replicated well so i would take that with like a grain of salt all right well he's he

00:49:37.180 happens to be a urologist isn't herpes also environmental i mean you get it from your

00:49:42.320 environment like that's what i'm saying but that's someone with an active breakout this is also very

00:49:48.400 different are you talking of have animals i just that's that's a crime i'm just want to say what

00:49:54.040 talking about the environment what are you going out into the forest what are you doing she means

00:49:58.080 like right now we could have you been it doesn't just have to do with the forest have you been

00:50:02.260 intimate with a coyote no okay because i don't practice maybe that the that's a reservoir for

00:50:09.040 herpes is the coyote population in california do you know much i've never even seen a coyote they've

00:50:13.440 been hanging out there's a lot of coyotes in the sfv where a lot of them can you tell us about coyotes

00:50:18.560 coyotes i'll tell you okay let's move on here going around the table what uh what is a woman i

00:50:29.180 think we were i think you answered correct what what about you i don't really know how to answer

00:50:35.960 that it's okay you can it's okay uh a woman is uh someone who is feminine and um that doesn't mean

00:50:47.600 that you know but there's a trans woman who's like looks like megan fox a woman if megan fox has

00:50:53.800 a dick is she no it but she looks like a woman and she's super feminine not a woman okay so you

00:50:59.700 don't think women are people well that's what i was about to say but i don't think that's why i

00:51:03.980 don't she doesn't want to answer that she doesn't want to get canceled you want xx chromosomes in a

00:51:07.500 vagina yes yes yes except for hermaphrodites you're not really sure about that well i was gonna

00:51:12.600 actually ask if let's say like going back to that um if megan fox had a dick oh would you allow her

00:51:21.480 to compete in women's sports do you want to open the trans sports conversation because it's super

00:51:26.960 different than that's a definition around the table we can get to the sports the sports thing

00:51:32.860 we'll get around the table just after this donated two hundred dollars yo thank you man i'm sick of the

00:51:39.400 argument that because there are two separate words they must be different what the diff between

00:51:44.540 glad happy good we all learned a word in elementary to describe this oh yeah synonyms idiot

00:51:50.940 okay huh that's really stupid okay what what if definitionally definition jeez i can't say this

00:51:58.140 word def can anybody definitionally definition thank you thank you english is my second language

00:52:02.700 that's okay coyote is your first right yes wait nala let's hear a little okay never mind

00:52:09.160 that's not exactly what i was going for but i liked it thank you thank you thank you no but i thought

00:52:14.860 you were referring to the japanese like last time you're like nala let's hear that did you think i

00:52:18.920 spoke coyote or some shit what if definitionally a cohort of people think that or believe that the

00:52:27.100 word woman refers to a female and the word man refer refers to males yeah i mean this is the issue

00:52:33.880 with definition arguments it's like the way that societies come to definitions is super different

00:52:38.520 this is why when people like etymologically it doesn't mean that nobody fucking cares because

00:52:42.280 that's not how we treat words unless they're like clinical medical words and we got rid of all these

00:52:46.460 words from being clinical medical for the most part so if society as a group decides that a woman is a

00:52:51.640 woman with two x chromosomes exclusively then everyone's going to function like that way the problem is that

00:52:56.060 it's still not very functional in a society if you've got megan fox walking around hiding her dick

00:53:01.000 super well because you're definitely not testing for people's vaginas and x chromosomes when you're

00:53:05.420 just looking around this is why gender is more of a performance and sex is a medical term no it is

00:53:09.440 it is actually useful so here's the truth the truth is is that society didn't have any problems

00:53:14.440 with this society's never had any problems with this nobody was ever confused about who was a man

00:53:18.300 who was a woman ever it never came up ever it never came up yeah it is true

00:53:22.380 did i just let you talk the whole time i didn't say anything just let him talk so so look we really

00:53:28.880 didn't have this problem it was not a problem and go back and read books in the 20s 30s 40s 50s they're

00:53:33.400 not talking about this you read books from the 1800s they don't care okay it was not a problem inside

00:53:38.780 of society to know who was a female and who was a male never been a problem what has happened is

00:53:44.660 special interest groups have moved in to the social sciences and have begun to fund studies and have

00:53:51.400 begun to push an agenda in order to make this definition now get pushed out into the ethos and

00:53:58.300 like kylo sorry like not so erudite just said right what happens is in the sociological fields they've

00:54:05.420 already begun changing all of the definitions they're trying to get it to get changed out into

00:54:09.400 the ethos into the commons but you know what we really shouldn't have done that and they don't have

00:54:13.720 the authority to make that choice for other people so i would you and i could probably circle

00:54:19.400 jerk about how shit sociology is all day because hold on modest team are donated two hundred dollars

00:54:26.520 why do trans women mark female on government forms there was a turning point recently where gender and

00:54:33.440 biology combined again stop acting like i need to partake in and confirm people's fetishes smh yeah

00:54:40.760 that's the other thing is autogynephilia and how many of the um you know m to f's suffer from

00:54:47.120 autogynephilia is definitely a fetish and there's a really big issue when you look at f to m's as far

00:54:51.640 as like comorbidities of like kind of canary disorders that we would call in the early adolescence

00:54:57.740 right so when you list criticisms i'm not so partisan that i wouldn't just grant you all those

00:55:02.220 criticisms the issue for me when we're talking about definitions is a it's a boring conversation to

00:55:07.240 me and b the history that you gave isn't quite correct for example wifeman etymologically just

00:55:14.460 comes from talking about like the other partner who wasn't the man like it was just wifeman these

00:55:19.440 also got lots of cultures for example that have something like the fafafine the fafafine is a third

00:55:23.800 gender that exists in a samoan culture it's existed for a couple hundred of years and i i would agree

00:55:28.740 if you're like well that's a case different example the problem is that there is history and dialogue

00:55:33.320 about gender dynamics to some degree it's just the issue is like they didn't have the language that we

00:55:37.920 have now when they talk about it they have the language in the 20s the 30s the 40s the 50s to say

00:55:42.860 hey well bill bill over there he's not just wearing a wig right he's a woman they had the

00:55:48.760 language to do that of course they did they were also very surprised uh buckler donated two hundred

00:55:54.160 dollars since condoms do not protect from genital herpes and 60 bodies equals exposure to 12 infected

00:56:01.080 partners i can promise nala is a threat to every room abdul get the rocks we found patient zero

00:56:09.020 oh my god but my other kind of my other thing is if you look at what gender is supposed to

00:56:15.600 represent it has two ends of an extreme so the two ends of the extreme have to be male and female or

00:56:21.480 gender can't actually mean anything it can't because a word has to refer to something outside of the word

00:56:26.980 itself it has to refer to something outside of the word itself or it's regressive it's a regressive

00:56:31.780 definition so yeah if you have male on this side and female on this side that gender is referring

00:56:38.280 to the biology it actually has to be referring to the biology i've already granted you that gender

00:56:44.140 is downstream biology but just because two synonyms overlap it doesn't make them the same word

00:56:48.700 you're this is why the one person that messaged and was like joy good blow are all the same word

00:56:53.460 i'm just like holy shit i'm really worried about your vocab score we do have a whole bunch of synonyms but

00:56:58.940 when you actually look into what the words mean this is why it's really frustrating when somebody

00:57:01.980 says like maybe joy and happiness they're synonyms they're kind of similar and they overlap a ton

00:57:07.080 and maybe the beginning and ends of joy are all encapsulated within happiness but most people treat

00:57:12.560 joy like a separate word than happiness this is how we engage with these words okay so let's let's just

00:57:18.260 grant that this is true okay let's say if i look at a trans woman and say that's a guy with a wig and you

00:57:26.820 say no it's not right how super depend to me right how am i wrong uh i guess it would depend is the

00:57:32.240 person passing let's just say that they are but i know like it's megan fox yeah let's just say that

00:57:36.960 i know why am i still wrong though to say that why would that be i would say you're being insensitive

00:57:40.980 yeah right but it's not wrong i would disagree with you i'd say that she's a woman but at the end of

00:57:45.700 the day i recognize that you probably won't be defining women the way that i am right so which is why

00:57:49.960 this conversation yeah so we're talking about definitions here right then definitionally if i say that

00:57:54.760 i'm not wrong now if i'm moving back towards you i think that i have a better case to make for why

00:57:59.940 you are because i think that when we're talking about biology right of male and female that what

00:58:05.800 i'm saying is far more accurate than what you're saying i would actually say the opposite i would

00:58:09.740 say something like sex is going to be deeply less functional and less accurate because there's

00:58:14.140 as you probably know all of those extreme outliers that don't fall well into the sex categories this

00:58:18.740 is why sex is a bimodal function gender i think actually works really well because it explains

00:58:24.180 the function and how we interact with each other if i see somebody walk around with hairy legs

00:58:28.500 clearly a dick under the dress and like a beard growing i'm going to agree with you being like

00:58:32.440 i probably would respect me like i understand what they're trying to perform towards but i would

00:58:36.540 agree with you that you might label them a man i don't understand the the sex is a bimodal function

00:58:41.360 how that even even if that's true how would that even play in here the reason why it would play in

00:58:46.400 is because you're saying sex is a more accurate word and i'm saying the problem with all of these

00:58:50.300 words is that none of them are hyper accurate when you talk about a hermaphrodite or people

00:58:54.520 that are born with the x rise chromosomes but their testes don't drop they're born with vaginas they

00:58:58.740 look like women in every single way but they're functionally men because we don't interact with

00:59:02.900 each other they're pretty accurate they're pretty accurate like for instance it's so accurate in fact

00:59:08.940 that any any farm animal that's born you can essentially just take one peek and you know

00:59:14.400 same thing with human children not you have cats same thing with with human children after

00:59:19.180 andrew go ahead pixie yeah the problem is that your definition is not actually reflecting how

00:59:23.240 you're using it in reality you didn't check anybody's genitals in here you didn't check

00:59:27.240 the chromosomes you're making assumptions on their appearance we have to make assumptions in order

00:59:32.080 to use words exactly what does that have to do with anything just just one second then we'll come

00:59:37.620 back it's not a reflection to reality man never be attracted to a trans woman probably not but i

00:59:44.220 guess you never know i mean why do they make so much money in porn that's the thing no man

00:59:48.380 our words have to reflect reality otherwise they're meaningless and the way guys wait wait

00:59:53.440 hold on guys just one at a time really quick um thank you saint breezy uh will i have a question

00:59:59.600 related to that that i'll get into in just a sec let me do one chat before it falls off and then

01:00:03.460 i'll have you come come in pixie we had a big papa karma brian i'm back with a link because it's a

01:00:08.840 sin to lie this is a public on youtube so it's completely fair game so let's be men and see who's

01:00:12.520 a liar um unfortunately my friend you sent me an uh a video that's an hour and 30 minutes long

01:00:18.860 that's called occult roots of feminism with based homeschool mom aka rachel wilson um unfortunately

01:00:25.000 my dear friend i'm not going to be able to play this hour and 30 minute long video but um

01:00:30.740 uh i looked at i mentioned the title so go ahead pixie go ahead so the point is our words have to

01:00:37.000 reflect how we actually use them in reality otherwise they're meaningless otherwise i can call you

01:00:41.580 you a chair or something like that right they have to have some reflection on our day-to-day usage

01:00:46.060 so you can say like oh no like technically like you know the appearance it doesn't really matter but

01:00:50.960 it does matter because that is how we use the word functional definitions is what matters a function

01:00:55.660 of how we use the word so let's assume that we grant this for a second let me ask you a question

01:01:00.100 is a male who identifies himself as a woman who doesn't meet any of the criteria for what you would

01:01:07.880 consider presentation even though they're trying really hard is that still a woman

01:01:11.320 i would say societally they fail to present okay but would you still call them one um personally i

01:01:17.920 would be respectful towards them but i would say like hey you're not but it doesn't but wait why

01:01:22.940 would you do that it doesn't match up with the reality what because you can be respectful towards

01:01:27.260 someone right but still be like hey you know just telling you like there is a non-consensual or not

01:01:33.200 you're not meeting the basis for a reality requirement so what you're showing me here

01:01:37.480 essentially is that you will use the word that doesn't meet up with the expectation of reality

01:01:42.560 uh in order to we do not be in order to not be a little bit uh overtly sensitive towards that

01:01:48.960 person however if i'm using the word which is more descriptive towards that reality what am i doing

01:01:54.180 wrong i have a question no answer mine and then no no i am i'm gonna answer yours through this

01:01:59.040 you're gonna answer mine by asking me a question you'll see my question by asking me no you'll see

01:02:03.740 just be patient um you have called me pixie right but that is not my governmental or my real name

01:02:10.460 right that is my streaming name yet you still call me by that name right so even though that name isn't

01:02:16.920 what is happening in reality you still refer me to a such is pseudonym seems a bit different to me than

01:02:22.620 the conversation the issue with this is that what we're doing is we're what often happens wait did you

01:02:27.420 have a did you want to answer andrew's question well yeah the point that i was trying to get to

01:02:31.300 at the basis of this is that there are multiple scenarios in day-to-day life where something

01:02:37.480 doesn't line up exactly with how reality is but because we're social creatures and we understand

01:02:42.440 that there's nuance so you're not everything is black and white we give certain like leverages or

01:02:46.940 leniency towards it so it's not super out there to be like hey you know what like you know it's okay

01:02:52.480 to call someone pixie even though that's not their governmental legal name and it's okay to say like hey

01:02:57.200 you know um i'm gonna call her stephanie because she likes that name more you know yeah until this

01:03:02.080 is applied in reality like you're talking about so i can call you pixie for instance but if you were

01:03:06.440 to go in and have tests done on you by the government for instance can you identify yourself as pixie

01:03:12.020 what do you mean do you or can you write pixie and then your last name or do you have to write

01:03:16.720 your first and last name is you by the government do you have to check if you're male and female

01:03:20.860 yeah i'm not i'm not disagreeing with that so my question becomes when it comes to you so i don't

01:03:25.820 understand what your point is well because there's a difference between institutional uses and

01:03:30.000 interpersonal uses and political uses this is obvious right so a big problem that happens in

01:03:35.200 all these discussions is we talk about like macro which is like ideology so you would say i disagree

01:03:39.880 you probably think trans ideology is super harmful you disagree with all that i'm assuming correct me

01:03:44.640 if that's true this is an ideological perspective and then you go well kyla you have this ideological

01:03:49.160 perspective interpersonally though would you respect somebody who you don't think is passing it's like

01:03:52.860 yeah of course just like when your wife asks like if something makes her look too fat you're like

01:03:56.940 i'm going to be really cautious in the way that i talk about this or if your wife asks like do you

01:04:00.980 think i'm still not your wife's specifically obviously i'm not making a personal attack um but

01:04:05.220 if like somebody's wife is like do i still look beautiful and she's like you know she doesn't look

01:04:08.500 like she did in her 20s you kind of lie a little bit interpersonally you do a lot of things that are

01:04:12.480 polite but obviously at an institutional level these are also different right acting like all these

01:04:17.360 things must be treated equally is a dishonest way in the way that words are used because words are deeply

01:04:22.200 generative and dynamic when we get into things like legislation how we govern the world and how

01:04:27.260 people actually identify or deal with these things in real time there's a huge amount of resentment

01:04:32.540 which is built up over the fact that we're expected to lie about things we know aren't true just one

01:04:36.680 sec if t women are women why do they all get offended when being treated by men like a woman

01:04:42.500 why are a large portion somehow lesbian if i call a trans woman sweetheart they ride rage

01:04:49.500 it's man um which actually this brings up a great point which is if it just comes down to

01:04:56.280 identification can't just it can't because this would create all kinds of issues like for instance

01:05:01.660 if you're sleeping with someone and they identify as the opposite sex while you were sleeping with

01:05:05.160 them and really meant it would that make you a homosexual that doesn't like that kind of stuff

01:05:09.220 makes no sense on its pace the self-id claims are absurd i'm not using self-id okay but you kind of

01:05:15.880 are we're definitely and definitionally not and this is why so many trans people hate so so let's

01:05:19.960 just to be clear i am not using if it's not if it's not self-id right then how would you know

01:05:26.600 to identify them as that you're saying in the cases in the cases where you can't tell you pretty

01:05:32.520 much always can tell unless somebody is like rejecting the binary in and of itself so a non-binary

01:05:36.980 for example i'm gonna get in a lot of water i don't think most non-binary people are trans i reject

01:05:41.100 that i don't think they are because i don't think self-d is valid most non-binary people you'll go look

01:05:45.500 at them and you're like some of them you can tell and some of them let's be honest everyone's had

01:05:50.580 like this super like kind of like bull lesbian come in with a short haircut super stout and been like

01:05:55.180 is that a man is that a trans man and it's not it's just a woman because most of the ways that we

01:05:59.720 evaluate each other is on the performance so if they're attempting to pass if their performance

01:06:04.480 is an attemptive i'm more or less know what they're going for interpersonally i would respect

01:06:07.800 that try to each make your final points on this if you if you can

01:06:11.220 oh no andy and my amg donated two hundred dollars fantastic debate thankfully we all

01:06:18.660 agree nala is a woman and she's fantastic would one of the females make the hangry lesbian a bowl

01:06:24.980 of ramen and keep it moving thursday night football is on actually we can we can linger

01:06:31.360 we can linger on this topic a little longer but i do want i i don't think we got to your relationship

01:06:36.160 status and you didn't answer the what is a woman question so very quickly what is your

01:06:39.860 current relationship status i'm single but i'm looking or did you answer the relationship

01:06:45.340 status thing uh um longest relationship three and a half years how long have you been single

01:06:49.360 about three months three three months okay i was single when i came on last time and i'm single now

01:06:55.240 i see okay gotcha and then uh what is a woman an adult female i learned last adult human female

01:07:02.540 okay i see okay um if you guys want to continue feel free so anyway the the ultimate point here is this

01:07:08.080 if i say woman and i mean adult female right and from the christian perspective and most religious

01:07:15.860 perspectives in fact at least abrahamic religion are going to agree with this right they're going

01:07:19.180 to say nope you're not this thing that you're not we're not going to call you that obviously it does

01:07:23.420 us harm if we're compelled to do that right that is causing us harm whether you like it or not so why

01:07:30.640 should we a be compelled to do that i'm not okay i'm not saying that you are and b why is it that even

01:07:36.580 if we were compelled we shouldn't resist by not doing it on purpose at that point just to kind of

01:07:41.760 make a political statement and a social statement of like nope we're not going to conform to you kind

01:07:47.800 of beating down our religious values here and when it comes to uh your purposes when you're talking

01:07:53.500 about the t question you're still kind of making the the statement that i'm not sure they can kind of

01:08:00.380 be they can kind of not be so i'd like you to clarify that for me sure so first of all i've never

01:08:05.400 argued for compelled speech i ever i think it's a violation of um first rights amendments i guess

01:08:10.500 in america is what it's called i don't believe in compelled speech i think at the end of the day

01:08:14.380 you also have consequences for your free speech so if you choose to call somebody who is clearly

01:08:18.000 trying to perform in every single way as a woman a man they're probably going to think you're an

01:08:21.880 asshole and probably like 80 of the population what if you call them male would that be it would be

01:08:28.140 really weird interpersonally to like go up to somebody like hello male or like in any way like

01:08:32.220 most people would again cringe because it wait they know what you're doing they know that you're

01:08:36.400 aesthetically trying to appeal to a political movement so you're allowed to have any political

01:08:41.320 field you're allowed to be an asshole to people you're allowed to politically in um kind of rejection

01:08:46.980 not use people's pronouns i actually don't believe that this is required at all the issue is people are

01:08:52.140 also allowed to be like can you just be an asshole that way just depends yeah so then so then where where

01:08:56.780 do we go then we're inside society and you have a christian owned business who says no we're not

01:09:03.140 going to give you or make suitable accommodations for your bathroom arrangements whereas instead

01:09:07.260 you can use this bathroom or this bathroom like everybody else has always done yep right i love

01:09:12.020 capitalism yeah so your business suffers as a result and if it doesn't that's great so no

01:09:16.460 nothing compelled there no i'm not really big on compelled okay so yeah i think if i could so this

01:09:20.840 is just a semantic distinction then i would say almost wholly it is excluding things like medical

01:09:26.280 care right this is why i'm not pro self-id go ahead i just throw something in there if you travel

01:09:32.120 to any other country and this is like my vote for the u.s doing this i think it would solve a lot of

01:09:36.320 issues but a lot of people a lot of people would agree with me go to other countries bathrooms are

01:09:41.440 universal and the sink is where everyone uses it solves all problems i agree with you the fact that we

01:09:47.220 have to worry about men and women's bathrooms make it universal sink is in the in the front

01:09:52.200 where everyone well you know something i have seen i've seen that i object to as a man oftentimes when

01:09:57.700 there used to be a woman's bathroom and a man's bathroom what they end up doing is they'll switch

01:10:02.960 the man's bathroom to an all-gender bathroom but keep the woman's bathroom a woman's bathroom so y'all

01:10:08.640 are encroaching on the male bathrooms the men bathroom i'm very upset y'all i'm upset about it

01:10:16.280 yeah you guys never have bathroom lines like just to be clear any inconsistent application of things

01:10:21.560 i'll just side with you yeah we shouldn't do those things obviously it's basically benevolent sexism

01:10:25.940 it's kind of weird so when you get into the medical arena here sure let's dive into this okay so what

01:10:32.180 so you're saying definitely in in society you don't care right doesn't matter if my viewpoint is

01:10:36.700 this way you're not going to try to make anything which compels me to do anything opposite of that you

01:10:40.140 don't believe probably i should be de-platformed for instance about speaking out against stuff like

01:10:44.360 that probably not but if you incite hate speech or violence against yeah yeah i get it i think

01:10:49.160 that's a distinction but moving into this on the medical field what's the what are the things you

01:10:54.360 want to see that what are the things you're wanting to see there yeah so the things that i would like

01:10:58.760 to see are for example no self-id and a pretty rigorous uh process by which we like determine these

01:11:04.640 things i think i haven't got into any of the neuroscience stuff uh when it comes to definitions

01:11:09.980 because it's really important to understand how definitions function but ai has done like crazy

01:11:14.760 stuff for leaping us forward and as far as neuroscience i believe you're born trans i don't

01:11:19.400 believe that this is like a choice or anything like that and i think if you're choosing to be it you're

01:11:22.920 doing it for political reasons popularity reasons or something probably mental illness specifically

01:11:26.880 related right it seems to me the case okay can we back up just just briefly so we don't move into

01:11:32.700 too many things you say that you think people are born trans absolutely why so questioning that

01:11:37.420 uh i would say we have a really strong literature showing like the historicity of some sort of trans

01:11:43.260 issues going back hundreds of years there's absolutely been these things this is part of

01:11:48.020 where that's not good evidence for you being born trans though uh another thing would be

01:11:53.380 environmental factors right so uh i think there's a high level of like genetic co-operative factors

01:11:59.040 that are associated with being trans there seems to be some level predictability with estrogen levels

01:12:02.920 um is it born as far as like epigenetic versus just genetic it's probably more in the epigenetic

01:12:09.200 direction another really big marker that it's probably born so you're talking about environmental

01:12:13.740 factors impacting this in a great way as well no epigenetic factors is not environmental factors

01:12:18.420 no that's not what i asked i asked if you're talking about environmental factors affecting this as

01:12:23.380 well or if you think it's mostly just a genetic thing i mean anything mental health is going to be

01:12:27.800 complicated probably both of these things are playing in but probably when it comes to trans

01:12:31.640 more you need to have like a genetic it's like a pre-requirement maybe is the best way to say it

01:12:36.300 yeah yeah you're pre-required to have the genes so let me let me clarify so i'm not talking about the

01:12:40.160 alcoholic who they have a predisposition towards alcohol but absent the alcohol they never become

01:12:45.280 an alcoholic what i'm asking for here is if you think that that particular circumstance of the

01:12:51.220 movement towards the thing yeah is the genetic disposition or if there's a different genetic

01:12:55.480 disposition where they're actually born with this disposition to want to move into another body or

01:13:00.720 whatever the mental illness is based on the earlyness of where dysphoria seems to emerge

01:13:05.900 i suspect that it's going to be like probably still epigenetic to some degree but i'm going to be clear

01:13:11.900 the literature is still out on this one on just to be clear every single thing to do with the brain

01:13:17.140 so it's a really hard question to answer you mean like the trans brain scans and all that yeah sure

01:13:22.380 the trans brain scans where it's like are they the same as women's brains and it's like some research

01:13:26.520 said yeah some said no right this is a really unsolved problem but it does seem highly genetic

01:13:31.640 starting at three any sort of like mental thing that begins that early is very suspicious for high

01:13:38.360 levels of genetic involvement so then how come when you see this when you see this movement then in

01:13:43.380 other cultures you see it in distinctly different ways if you're pre-programmed for instance in the west

01:13:48.740 um to be a male who's born and wants to be a woman wants to be a female why is it that you respond in

01:13:56.840 a distinctly different way than you would in a different culture in other words why is it that

01:14:00.240 if you're born scottish you don't want to get in a kilt right this is the this is the question why do

01:14:05.820 you think that the kilt is in any ways comparable to like uh gender because of presentation which is

01:14:10.360 what you said is the mark of gender and id is presentation so why is it that they always want to

01:14:16.140 present like a western filled up girl who looks like kind of a skank on instagram versus what a

01:14:22.820 woman would look like in saudi arabia wait so do you think trans people just don't exist outside of

01:14:27.440 western countries is that what he's saying that it's like an aesthetic that they put on are do you

01:14:31.140 are you telling me that you honestly believe that wearing a kilt is similar to becoming trans well

01:14:36.980 what i'm saying is that what i'm saying is that if it's aesthetics that we're looking at and that's

01:14:41.620 what you claim gender actually is is an aesthetic presentation towards a thing i didn't say

01:14:46.180 transgenderism ideology is that thing i said the way that i define gender is performance these are

01:14:51.100 not yeah but performance is what isn't that the aesthetic well no the performance is in large

01:14:56.340 part aesthetic but you're not asking me about ideology we yeah so what i'm so that's what this

01:15:00.620 what i'm asking is like how do you know how do you know that the way that these are presented

01:15:06.500 right in the west if you were put in a different environment in a different country would they

01:15:11.180 become fa-fa-fine like the samolans yeah that's a valid question but it's not similar to a kilt and

01:15:16.340 i don't think that these things are analogous in any way and we can't pretend like they are

01:15:20.260 the actual thing about fa-fa-fine shows probably the way that they um express societally is pretty

01:15:28.000 open up to society but the fa-fa-fine or a third gender yeah so that ought to put well so i mean

01:15:34.060 just that alone just that statement that the environment's going to greatly impact whether

01:15:39.160 or not you even present no with the opposition agenda that's not what i've said okay well then

01:15:44.360 why don't you rephrase it okay let's go back what is ideology well who cares go back to my question

01:15:48.300 what is ideology no wait hang on you're moving back too far the previous statement that you just

01:15:53.240 made was what the previous statement that i said was that the fa-fa-fine express socially in a

01:15:57.880 different way before that you said that depending on where you're at in the world right you may not

01:16:02.300 even present with this type of gender that is not what i said it is what i said that they present as

01:16:07.160 a third gender but the dysphoria rates are very similar when you rate them on things like dysphoria

01:16:11.380 of body it rates very similar to western trans women and trans men they're in this one culture

01:16:17.100 in the one culture yeah in this one culture but that why would you dismiss this over one back but

01:16:22.340 this moves back to the question of like how do you know that if they're born great and that's a

01:16:26.800 good question yes what's ideology okay not so erudite you're being completely obtuse i'm not

01:16:32.020 being you are being obtuse go ahead and explain it let me explain why i'm asking this just to be

01:16:36.800 go ahead nice the reason i'm asking you this is because you moved from talking about gender and

01:16:41.300 performance which is a definitional argument to then conflating it with an ideological argument

01:16:46.440 okay these are not the same explain it so you feel better and then we can move on i'm not going

01:16:50.360 to explain it till i feel better i'm going to explain it until we're on the same page because

01:16:53.280 we can't have a good conversation if you're shifting between the lens of how we're analyzing

01:16:57.220 something okay so what is the difference between a performance and an etiology don't ask me

01:17:01.480 questions explain it i'm asking you that don't ask me questions explain it i don't want to explain

01:17:05.220 it i want you don't want to explain it you just want to ask you said i need to explain this

01:17:08.560 concept to you so that you understand it i say explain it you ask me questions i think you're smart

01:17:12.220 it's just hold on i've explained it three times explain it again you're very smart explain it again

01:17:17.320 i don't think you're participating in the conversation i'm literally asking you to explain

01:17:20.560 it to me okay etiology is how something comes about that's when you were asking me about things

01:17:24.440 like epigenetics and nature versus nature questions the other thing presentation performance

01:17:29.320 is a semantic definitional conversation we can have both of these but when you act like they're

01:17:34.380 the same conversation it's just so how do they just take him a donated two hundred dollars

01:17:39.640 how many genders are there do we need list of five on our legal forms

01:17:44.880 oh five five quadrillions it got yeah okay yeah tts did you dirty does anybody know what that number

01:17:55.120 is by the way anyone care to wait a trillion maybe there could be infinity gazillion there could be as

01:18:00.480 many as you want they're socially constructed you just make them up trillion i disagree with that

01:18:04.020 because i don't believe in light years as long as you don't believe in self-id these things are

01:18:08.860 concretible and you can manage them i don't believe in self-id i don't think there's cat gender i don't

01:18:12.660 think that there's like things like zazers i think non-binaryism is usually people between transition

01:18:17.200 of becoming trans or it's a political statement typically i think that for example cat gender

01:18:21.960 it's just dumb i'm not really interested in it at all what about dragon what is that

01:18:26.220 dragon kin do you have any thoughts on dragon kin dragons are so cool right no of course okay in a

01:18:31.720 serious way no of course okay okay yeah so when you're anyway when you're moving back into gender

01:18:36.600 okay when you're talking about definitions this no not the definition or the etiology but yeah now

01:18:42.260 we're talking about the etiology so if we're going to move into this how it comes to be okay would you

01:18:47.080 say that of same the same person we took the same genetics and they were born in like i don't know

01:18:51.860 zimbabwe right that there's a good distinct possibility that just due to the environment

01:18:56.100 they may never actually present in this way at all i think that there's a decent chance in like

01:19:00.660 zimbabwe i think zimbabwe is highly conservative and maybe islamic i could be wrong they're probably not

01:19:06.280 going to present in any way because they'd probably get killed and they're probably going to have high

01:19:10.500 levels of mental health conditions yeah but you don't know that that wouldn't be the reason i'm

01:19:13.560 saying that if they weren't if they weren't going to you know uh instantly destroy them you think that

01:19:19.200 they would come out trying to present as a western woman or would they try to present as a female in

01:19:23.260 their culture why would they ever come out as presenting like a western woman well so this is the

01:19:27.340 question moving backwards that i already asked you before which is if they're coming out why is it that

01:19:32.580 they only want to present in the way that they see the western cultural women determines the way

01:19:38.100 that we express mental health all the time for example have you ever heard of um i forget the

01:19:42.660 term of it it was a disease that went across japan where men believed genuinely that their dicks were

01:19:48.040 being swallowed by their body have you heard of this mental health condition did you want to come

01:19:51.880 in by the way it sounded like you wanted to come in someone google that one i feel like it's just kind of

01:19:55.800 a odd question because it's like it's the same thing with like being gay like before how many artists

01:20:00.500 spent every day with someone of the same gender and then goes down in history as their best friend

01:20:04.440 obviously didn't come out as gay because like the culture they lived in didn't really accept it as much

01:20:09.060 let's stick go ahead yeah so if if somebody has a mental health condition or something that is

01:20:13.300 predilecting them towards a direction their society is going to have implication in how that looks

01:20:18.360 and expresses this is why transgender people with very similar markers to western transgender people

01:20:22.980 are fafa fine in the samoan culture in a zimbabwe culture they're probably really depressed men and women

01:20:28.340 is my guess right with high suicide rates at about oh sorry uh high bad word deletion

01:20:35.740 yeah um andrew before you respond two more minutes on this we can come back to it later i'd like to

01:20:43.380 take a little intermission interlude so we can maybe ask some other questions but we can certainly

01:20:48.340 come back to it but if you guys each want to make like a so one minute i'll finish by saying this

01:20:52.560 schizophrenia is a very established highly genetic mental health condition it is epigenetic in nature

01:20:58.140 it typically gets triggered around 21 and you must have a genetic marker for it or you'll never have

01:21:03.340 it and you have to have like two to three like major episodes of depression the issue is that the

01:21:08.140 way schizophrenia presents in western north america isn't the same hallucinations are often very different

01:21:13.980 the way that they manage the society is very different the way that schizophrenia emerges across societies

01:21:19.160 is varied by the society that they live in even though schizophrenia itself is a legitimate condition

01:21:25.640 okay and i'll finish with this this has not manifested itself in society spontaneously by any

01:21:32.520 metric at all it's been a political activism by lgbtq groups who are trying to push this forward

01:21:39.120 who fund the studies into these um they fund the sociological studies i mean almost all of them

01:21:46.200 they're funded by lgbtq groups themselves who give these grants to colleges they give them to schools

01:21:52.380 they give them to all sorts of different people to do these studies yeah and so what we end up with

01:21:57.100 is results we can't even trust inside of a field where the replication is so bad that in some cases

01:22:02.720 it can only be replicated up to 29 percent so i have a hard time believing that's considering this is

01:22:09.740 only something that even in my own lifetime has come to the forefront that this is not agenda based or

01:22:15.040 that people actually have any concerns whatsoever outside of this now political phenomenon as to

01:22:20.700 what a woman or man ever was i don't think that they ever cared we never did you never did none

01:22:25.460 nobody ever did the issue is it can always be both that's the problem it's not like autism

01:22:29.360 spontaneously emerged in the 40s when we made the diagnosis it always existed we just didn't have a

01:22:34.720 categorical name for it these are not the same things is there an agenda going on are people really

01:22:39.420 trying to push it yes is it weird that lgbtq communities are funding it no most alcoholism groups

01:22:45.280 fund studies for alcohol most like depression studies are funded by like some sort of really

01:22:49.960 thing but there is a bias that exists the literature on like specifically transgenderism

01:22:55.240 is the worst because there's actually two biased groups there's the like very pro lgbtq that is like

01:23:00.480 super sussy with their stats and then there's the very anti-lgbtq that is also sussy with their stats

01:23:06.220 and it is a nightmare trying to manage it there's a couple of groups that are in between that are

01:23:09.560 doing a fantastic job but most of their data is coming out in like 2024 i haven't seen very many

01:23:13.620 of those i haven't seen very many of those anti-lgbtq groups inside of sociology that's for sure

01:23:19.360 especially in comparison to the other groups which are pro-lgbtq but that that aside letting that be

01:23:25.020 inside of society again you see as our mental health professionals have increased inside of society you

01:23:31.740 have seen a huge amount of mental health also increase especially among women women enter into

01:23:37.340 those fields suddenly they're giving descriptors for mental health crises for women all over the

01:23:42.500 place everybody's on some kind of antidepressant some type of pill they're on some kind of something

01:23:47.740 that they've been diagnosed with so it's possible that pharmaceutical companies also take advantage of

01:23:53.560 this i would assume that they do i would also assume that inside of the psychological fields with so

01:23:58.240 many women want to get into that seems to have there's there's something that they're drawn to

01:24:02.520 that they're attracted to but you can also see the amount of mental illness women in society

01:24:07.120 is through the roof so sure i almost wondering if women are chasing their own tail yeah yeah sure i would

01:24:13.860 ask sorry okay we're gonna take a intermission from that conversation we will return to it though

01:24:19.960 so if you have any notes we can certainly or any further things to add we can certainly get back to it

01:24:24.720 i have a chat here from antoni excuse me antenna boy first time donating huge fan of erudite and

01:24:31.180 pixie also i'm a fan of nala but obviously for a different reason she's just hot we're hot too

01:24:38.060 yeah so very hot pixie i wish you were more aggressive and less apologetic on these pods

01:24:44.080 you go on you got beauty and brains talk yo shit girl get it girl

01:24:48.900 okay there you have it thank you thank you antenna boy welcome to the uh stream appreciate it man

01:24:53.860 thank you thank you i like that our community is immediately just nice

01:24:56.860 so okay pastor's daughter um i had a yeah i'm back there

01:25:01.420 pastor's daughter you oh i have questions hide that

01:25:04.560 i love that i love questions

01:25:05.860 donated two hundred dollars there's no justification for non-essential surgery

01:25:11.200 especially one as severe and life-changing as trans surgery

01:25:15.400 how can you promote kids doing this really the lesbian new world order can't be stopped

01:25:21.440 if you guys if you guys want 30 where in the conversation i heard anybody talking about trans

01:25:26.600 youth that's so weird it's almost like they just didn't watch the fucking show

01:25:30.180 well it actually starts with there's no justification for non-essential surgery

01:25:34.300 well that's another issue because you're framing the narrative of whether or not surgeries for trans

01:25:37.880 people is essential or not sorry thanks that's the point you have what you had something

01:25:42.660 well i mean or is this a response to the tts or we i basically it would be a response to what's

01:25:48.740 going on right now when it comes to like non-essential surgery which we can get into

01:25:51.940 but you wanted to read some stuff or you know fuck it i'm just gonna say it um i i'll allow each

01:25:58.380 one of you to make a 30 second point on that tts go ahead okay um i personally believe in like

01:26:04.360 individual freedom and liberty um i think when it comes to like surgeries like there should be

01:26:08.440 leniency if people want to get a boob job then fuck it who am i to say what you do with your

01:26:11.940 body some people will say oh no this is going to self-harm are we letting people really like

01:26:15.680 self-harm themselves um i think there's a lot of data on trans people and how like yeah like

01:26:20.640 these reaffirming gender surgeries like do help their mental health um as long as they're in

01:26:24.720 conjunction with also having like a supportive network in general so yeah i think people should

01:26:29.540 be allowed to be get trans surgeries if they want to generally speaking yeah so when you're

01:26:35.820 talking about the performance in society right what about do you have any i just want to ask you

01:26:40.820 this do you have any duties at all to society do you personally have any of course what um i don't

01:26:47.620 think i should go and kill other people that's obeying laws no that's a duty i have a moral duty

01:26:53.560 um to not harm other people okay so this particular this particular thing that you're talking about

01:27:00.760 when you're talking about kind of the way that society interacts with like t surgery let's say

01:27:06.680 right i'm trying to be very cautious with my words here so i don't break any dos but let's just say

01:27:10.980 t surgery you say yeah we know i think that people should be able to do it if they're allowed to if

01:27:16.560 their society gets negative results most of society gets negative results from that would you still be

01:27:21.260 for it can you point to me what are the negative results yeah so i'm going to point to you that most

01:27:25.600 of this society the current society that we're in are religious and that most of the globe is

01:27:30.880 religious most of the globe is religious most of the planet earth is religious so the negative

01:27:35.300 side effects that comes to them the actual pain and suffering that they experience from having to

01:27:40.880 be part of this delusion is never something you people take into account i have a very simple

01:27:45.380 question if most of the globe was racist right and you going against this racism you advocating for

01:27:51.020 equal rights hurt their feelings really really badly because they're just ardent racist does that

01:27:55.720 mean that we now have a duty to also comply in that racism no but think about what you're saying

01:28:00.740 what you're saying here is that the the only reason that you affirm this is because of the

01:28:06.180 consequent right you think that the consequent is better for society so i could make the argument

01:28:11.360 the same way that you would and say the consequent of non-racism is better for society you and i would

01:28:16.020 agree here the consequent we're disagreeing about whether or not it's better for society so your

01:28:21.040 argument doesn't make any sense do you think that it's good to have a society no no hang on before

01:28:24.280 you cut in your argument doesn't make any sense now how does it make sense i literally listed two

01:28:29.520 reasons right i say we have a moral duty to try not to harm others right that doesn't mean that

01:28:33.880 like oh no like my feelings are hurt now suddenly that's an equal consequence of hurting another

01:28:38.260 person um i think you could see harm when it comes to like suicide or um right so no no word so if

01:28:45.140 you're talking so again so so again what you're saying is right do this thing for them regardless

01:28:51.740 of the harm that it is to you because it's more harmful to them because they're holding you

01:28:55.280 what is what okay what is your level of harm that's my question okay if you see no no but

01:29:01.880 let's put this very simple let's um use a peter singer example you see a child drowning in a pond

01:29:07.780 okay you can go save that child but as a result you're gonna get your shoes wet and that that's

01:29:13.100 kind of harmful to you they're like nice new shoes you know you don't like the feeling of soggy socks

01:29:17.020 yeah this doesn't even work hey no no listen listen please listen hey no listen please so

01:29:23.240 here's the deal right we can all agree that there is a level of like hey you know what you might not

01:29:28.580 be uncomfortable with this you know this might like hurt you a little bit whatever um but you

01:29:32.400 should still do this action because it's a greater moral right saying oh no you're gonna feel some

01:29:36.580 level of harm so don't do something is not a good argument for not helping another person okay

01:29:40.500 that is what the argument is getting your shoes wet is very different no okay hold on hold on let's

01:29:46.980 get these two in did you want to go yeah okay you then you go i mean it's kind of got past there but

01:29:52.740 i do think it was interesting to say it um what's to cite as a reason for harm is that a lot of the

01:29:57.480 world is religious when a lot of almost how many wars were fought for religion how much pain and

01:30:01.940 cause because of religion how many how much war was fought for a for atheism and secularism the entire

01:30:06.820 20th century under communism communists eradicated religion ruthlessly eradicated religion was

01:30:14.780 responsible for some of the grossest amounts of the death rate in the 20th century totally secularist

01:30:19.980 society totally secular yeah i mean i i think like citing religion as the source of like violence is

01:30:25.300 is kind of low resolution because the reality is that it's like ideology is the source of wars right

01:30:30.600 the reason why like oh actually i shouldn't go into that i was about to bring up the conflict that you

01:30:34.360 probably don't want on your channel right now um the reason why like lots of people go into war

01:30:38.560 they might even claim that it's a holy war half the time it's ideology half the time it's like group

01:30:43.320 thinking and like out group think so like blaming religion for violence is as empty to me as blaming

01:30:48.040 like atheism for like violence like any ideology that's taken to an extreme to justify violence is

01:30:53.140 going to lead to violence religion's one of those obviously but so is communism so is nazism yeah i

01:30:57.840 wouldn't dispute that you can have and have had religious wars of course you have but this idea

01:31:03.640 that's inside of people's brains that uh religion is the biggest cause of the conflict that's going

01:31:09.240 on in the world the 20th century does not bear that out at all that is not what 20th century what did

01:31:13.840 you have i was just gonna say there's a lot um in today's society of um transgender people who

01:31:22.840 do get uh surgery have come out and said that they really regret it and it really has ruined

01:31:30.760 their lives and there's been a lot of um you know of people that are you talking about like

01:31:36.700 detransitioners i mean yeah detran detransition i don't know they were born that way though right

01:31:41.900 and they come out and say that you know they they amount that the lgbt community or the trans community

01:31:48.700 um what percent do you think detransition what percent do you think detransition honestly i

01:31:54.020 couldn't give you an example we don't know take a guess take a guess before you say like

01:31:58.200 four or five percent right super super small it's less than that but it's less than that it's less

01:32:03.400 than one percent typically yeah but what is the percentage of people who identify as trans who

01:32:07.860 transition at all right exactly sorry what is the percentage of trans who transition at all

01:32:13.620 quite high quite high actually not i thought it was one percent isn't it one percent it's one

01:32:19.040 percent the population is trans no one percent is trans the number of people who do end up

01:32:23.400 transitioning is significantly higher they oh it's wait not all can afford medically transitioning

01:32:28.500 wait wait wait just one clarification so one percent of the population is trans but a higher

01:32:34.820 percent of the population no within the one percent oh i was i thought you were saying it's not even

01:32:40.360 that within one percent no no no let's say 80 transition of the 80 okay okay i have a question

01:32:45.840 okay last thing last thing last thing go ahead do you think that um transition surgeries should be

01:32:54.660 funded by you know she's canadian i'm canadian so i'm gonna be gonna have a slight i'm definitely

01:33:01.340 pro-universal health care um i am for it but not as it currently exists as far as vetting right now

01:33:08.800 so i wouldn't like put a hold on it necessarily but there's a lot of really good research being

01:33:12.940 done in especially a lot of european countries to ensure that the people that are applying and

01:33:17.040 getting the surgeries actually need it because one thing i will say that is extremely important to

01:33:21.360 cite here is that a very well replicated finding is that when people adults transition there is a

01:33:27.200 reduction of suicide attempts by over 70 percent it is a massive drop and there before anyone says

01:33:33.280 the pediatric studies on that didn't replicate as far as like conversion therapy working just remind you

01:33:37.980 use uh don't use that word or something okay here no no no no we'll we're gonna take an interlude

01:33:44.780 we'll we'll come back to it if you guys want to continue so you guys like puppies

01:33:47.800 only trans puppies you mentioned at the beginning cats cats that turn

01:33:53.860 nala you mentioned at the beginning you describe yourself as the ahi gao queen i think what what is that

01:34:01.580 so i um i've been watching anime for a long time now and i'm fascinated by the the culture of japan

01:34:09.300 and what they do with the characters and i feel like it's just so different and so basically the

01:34:14.220 ahi gao face to me is like the cum face like you're just in so much fucking pleasure you're just gonna like

01:34:18.580 burst your brains out like for me i just love the path like the look i just love it what and what is

01:34:24.880 the no it's a good it's more like a christian no it's like a christian looking at me like

01:34:29.800 he's so disappointed

01:34:33.720 has anyone done the ahi gao face to you uh oh wait he's a married man

01:34:39.760 has your wife ever done that i don't even know what it is

01:34:44.480 it's like oh just like the cross-eyed you can like side oh god it's even better when you can

01:35:00.260 hold it and wait what is the uwu what is it it's just like an anime word it's just like what is the

01:35:06.260 difference between the two it was like cute and like little like it's like kawaii it's very cutesy

01:35:11.320 kawaii are there different versions are there different versions of the ahi gao

01:35:16.580 they're okay they're kind of all but it's like the main the main thing is like just crossing your

01:35:22.700 eyes up and out kind of thing and oh it's almost like rolling your eyes in the back of your head

01:35:26.660 because it's just like fuck you know that's and then what's the other version the other i don't

01:35:32.820 know i feel like so some people like really judge me for this i really don't give a fuck but it's like

01:35:39.260 um you're just going insane like for me it's like i'm so passionate about a lot like all i can do in

01:35:45.920 that moment is just you know i'm not even being fucked right now and it's like you know it's like

01:35:53.300 excitement pure excitement what are you good times yeah i'm so disturbed by all of this

01:35:59.060 i love that this is okay this is how uncomfortable on a scale of one to ten

01:36:03.780 and oh it's just creepy right it's just like it's just i don't know if it's i don't know if it's

01:36:08.120 creepy in the moment it's not creepy okay in the moment maybe with an intimate partner it's not

01:36:12.920 creepy but yeah i'm sure it's not i'm sure there's a lot of men it's not oh there's so many and i've

01:36:17.600 introduced so many people to it they're like it's like you don't know what to do but like you're

01:36:22.000 you're making them go insane like that girl is going insane with what you're doing to them

01:36:27.060 that's hot it's like i'm fucking this girl into oblivion right now like fuck like she's losing her

01:36:34.860 sanity that's just so cool all right moves good uh so just really quick on the whole pastor's

01:36:44.120 daughter thing what change like was there a precipitating moment my mom like was there some

01:36:55.880 moment where you just snapped or oh no so honestly i was so um i felt so alone being a christian

01:37:02.920 i felt so like being a pastor's daughter you're you're looked up to by not only the church but

01:37:09.340 your family standards are so high and it felt just like the most um like the biggest cage i've

01:37:16.680 ever been in in my life what do you mean the family standards my family standards oh you're so being

01:37:20.940 extremely modest but not like wearing like pencil skirts stuff like that no makeup it was it was just

01:37:25.860 you know being very modest you know um you're representing the church kind of thing you are

01:37:30.260 it's different and do you feel like do you feel like that had um an impact on like you joining

01:37:35.820 only fans and like you because i come from a middle eastern family and like i my culture was

01:37:40.640 very very you know like against all of that and i feel like it did have something to do like

01:37:45.380 being was it rebellious so for me i was like sneaking out of my house at like 4 a.m after after i was

01:37:52.600 like a pastor's daughter i went through this super rebellious stage of like just like i was like fuck i

01:37:58.140 just need to get out like and it had nothing it had nothing to do with only fans i probably stopped

01:38:02.260 being a pastor's daughter around like 18 i think and i just i'm so hypersexual that my path had i just

01:38:12.340 felt like my path had something to do with my sexuality no matter what it was okay i take that

01:38:18.080 back i would not go be a stripper i would never want it i never like thought or saw myself as that

01:38:23.780 um what would be the distinction though there's such a big distinction one it's all online two they never

01:38:30.940 see you in person you know like it's all online you get to chat with them online you send them

01:38:36.440 things online principle you're just taking off your clothes for money right oh absolutely i'm not

01:38:40.640 is it like a safety it is the biggest thing for me was like you know i'm doing this from the comfort

01:38:45.840 of my own home and i actually like enjoy this so much it gave me so much freedom i can't even tell

01:38:52.420 you like the person i become now is so much of a stronger person than i would have ever been

01:38:56.700 so it's all it's all for you yeah who else would it have been here piggybacking off of this is this

01:39:02.640 is just something that i see all the time well yeah but who else everyone every girl that i've

01:39:06.580 talked to you so far here at this podcast it's always me me me me me also me well no no i don't

01:39:15.700 think so i think i think that we don't know each other so how you are literally on here right

01:39:21.200 scoot your mic yeah like that's all about i'm not trying to talk about my dog on here

01:39:27.280 that's not what i'm talking about i'm talking about your choices not about this stream i'm not

01:39:32.100 talking about you're talking about yourself for some big extravagant reason it's not like i have

01:39:36.520 this big dramatic story where i was like i was trying to save someone and i needed the money for it

01:39:40.320 no it was for myself right it was a huge freedom to do whatever i wanted i now have financial stability

01:39:47.400 as a female i don't need a male you know there's just so many things i have a question about that

01:39:52.880 though so now that okay because i i i understand the piece of like okay financial freedom and you

01:39:57.840 got to that place you're at that place now why and i want to ask this question respectfully why still do

01:40:04.140 it well why do you not think that there's other things for you to do now but there is i've been

01:40:10.380 doing it for the last like year and a half i picked up japanese weapons training martial arts boxing i do

01:40:16.020 fight scenes i do cosplay like what is it that i don't do i snowboard i ski i'm like i do everything

01:40:23.260 which i'm off for like i don't volunteer but i i'm like more nurturing in different ways

01:40:28.380 anyone who comes in my life is taking care of self-gratification right what else is life about

01:40:34.660 i feel like i feel like that's the key point that's the key point hang on brian real quick that's the key

01:40:38.840 point did you when i asked you it's all about self-gratification

01:40:43.340 and you say what else is life about other than self-gratification no no no i feel like life is

01:40:49.300 about finding true peace and joy like i feel like that's what it is then why was your why was your

01:40:56.540 first response to say what else is life about except self-gratification i didn't say self-gratification

01:41:01.520 you did i think it's truly about happiness and happiness well what is happiness japanese my both

01:41:08.980 staff no i mean for you what is happiness happiness is is self doing thing you like right that's what

01:41:15.360 makes you happy not even things that i like but educating myself do you volunteer and you're like

01:41:20.780 i nurture people anyone who comes around me like i said i nurture them and i feel like i have a duty

01:41:26.580 to do that as a female to nurture anyone that comes in my presence anyone who walks in my home

01:41:32.200 i help people online like if i watch people's like tiktok stories i love to go gift i'm a complete

01:41:38.400 stranger that's all for you though right well i don't think so no here let's not linger too long

01:41:43.920 on that um okay you were saying you you mentioned something while piggybacking off something i think

01:41:50.120 you said um those of you those are the girls here at the table who do only fans what do your parents

01:41:56.660 think about it do they support you do they not support you um actually and why don't we start with you

01:42:02.100 and move this way go ahead no not at all they're not do they well do they know that they don't know

01:42:08.840 so they don't know i think my mom picked up on it and she knows but she doesn't want to admit it

01:42:17.520 um but i think like once i go to dubai or something it's a deal breaker like i am deleting my account

01:42:26.340 like it's gone because it's just something that i don't think will ever i think i'll be disowned

01:42:33.860 from my culture wait so but hold on uh when are you going to dubai uh in in a couple months in a

01:42:40.720 couple months so your parents don't know what you have any siblings do they know yeah my brother

01:42:45.340 they know is there any fear that they might tell your wait are your parents currently living in the

01:42:50.640 u.s or the uae so my dad uh my parents are living in the u.s but my mom's in dubai right now i see

01:42:57.020 okay um what would i mean would your parents just just you said they would disown you if they found

01:43:02.120 out my mom wouldn't i think she would understand um and and with my dad i i doesn't really matter

01:43:10.280 what he thinks honestly like obviously i care about what he thinks and i know that it it will affect

01:43:16.360 him and i'd never want to do that and i think that if they can't understand me that's okay

01:43:21.520 and i'm not you know i'm an adult i oh go ahead you know go ahead no no oh and did you say it was

01:43:28.540 it your family that is muslim or is it are you muslim too my family is muslim okay i see um i am

01:43:34.600 muslim gotcha okay um is there any like safety ramifications for you in any way yeah when you're

01:43:40.040 talking about that because yeah you said you're going to delete your stuff but i mean the internet's

01:43:44.200 forever so yeah it is forever and i'm okay with that and it's just about me like you know

01:43:49.320 moving on in a way because i don't plan to do it forever um obviously people will find out and

01:43:55.460 obviously people have found out and that's okay with me because in in a way if it was just me i

01:44:01.600 would not give a fuck what anybody thinks like i would be okay with not ever seeing anyone or it's

01:44:08.660 just my family like my mom honestly it's just my mom i have a very close relationship with my mom and

01:44:13.240 i don't ever want to hurt her reputation because in our culture reputation is everything it's well

01:44:20.000 it's every your family name is everything and especially in the middle east when you go over

01:44:24.920 there no one will talk to you no one will marry you no one will you know be friends with you and

01:44:31.000 it and honestly i don't give a fuck because if you can't accept me for who i am then that's fine

01:44:35.640 but do you think that that's a that's a it's a good trade it sucks but you think it's a good

01:44:40.900 trade in order for you to pursue your only fans career to potentially lose the support of your

01:44:47.520 family or connection with your family it sucks i think it's it it's very uh because i know i'm what

01:44:54.300 i'm doing is not particularly you know if i could choose a different path for myself and you know i would

01:45:00.280 and i i plan to you know move on from it but i don't care i love what i do at the end of the day

01:45:05.920 like i love what i do and i would never um you couldn't i don't regret it no no but i don't

01:45:12.800 regret what i do but i did it and i i'm planning on you know the only reason i did it though is so

01:45:20.580 i could pursue other things i love and in the future and have enough money to support myself

01:45:26.520 and pursue the things i love sure so what about you what about your parents know do they know

01:45:32.500 supportive not supportive i tried to keep it see it for three days i got doxed and they got they

01:45:36.920 sent it to my entire extended family that was quick yeah it's quick um uh wait and i had a

01:45:43.060 question i mean i and sorry do you hold on let me just double check the notes here because i don't

01:45:48.840 want to get this wrong uh you said that in your pre-show notes here you said that your sex life is

01:45:55.840 your business atp what is atp at this point oh at this point i see are you involved besides only

01:46:02.360 fans are you do you do escorting at all um i do not do escorting what's that i don't do escorting

01:46:07.060 no no escorting yeah i've done like dom work i've done like tuck holding i've done other things

01:46:11.360 because for me i'm very so i know for some girls like her and that's completely valid it's like

01:46:15.280 it is a lot of money at a young age and you can use that as something to transition to other

01:46:18.880 things for me i just i love sex work i love the woman in it um i'm passionate about i think

01:46:24.720 sex work should be decriminalized i just um i have a notch on the belt mentality so for me i want to

01:46:30.680 try almost basically all types of sex work yeah and on you describe yourself uh on your instagram i

01:46:36.940 think wholesome type one diabetic top one percent creator on only fans um wholesome uh is it i feel

01:46:45.340 like that's a bit of an oxymoron yeah like wholesome porn star wholesome i think that's the point

01:46:50.320 that was the point oh i see i see okay that's a joke sure um i think on your twitter you describe

01:46:56.260 yourself as a financial dominatrix cuckoldress and sexual healer um so yeah i do have like

01:47:04.260 alternate accounts and do other things um i think because yeah like i said not something about

01:47:08.520 mentality i think it's fun to just try all different types of sex work okay and you it's

01:47:13.220 there's a there's a 25 initial fee and then a hundred dollar unblock fee what's what's the

01:47:18.460 unblock fee if i block you and you want to keep talking to me you got to send me a hundred dollars

01:47:22.740 my cash up with your username and my in the note oh this is like a fin dom type of thing i see okay

01:47:28.080 i see um no escorting at all because they're like people sending me messages like claiming i don't

01:47:34.900 know claiming you do i mean because i i've well like cutting certain things i've done in person like

01:47:40.220 i've pegged men i've done um oh what's it called um for fun or for work for for both

01:47:47.020 for both yeah like i've had like this guy who would like to like he want me to make my feet stink and

01:47:52.220 then watch my boyfriend fuck me and smell my feet like what yeah how much does that cost a couple

01:47:59.280 thousand a couple thousand how do you how does one make their feet stinky do you just no socks in old

01:48:05.080 sneakers okay it's not fun but you know uh and on your twitter uh we're not gonna pull anything up

01:48:11.440 but you said that you you want cucks is that i think you made a tweet something about you want

01:48:17.620 i mean i haven't had a man to do it with recently but my ex-boyfriend liked to do that type of stuff

01:48:24.300 and he was a cuck in himself too yeah okay so when in a cuck is that a guy who just

01:48:29.660 while you would have sex with somebody else he'd be in the corner crying type of thing

01:48:34.080 so i don't know how explicit i can get on here like my ex-boyfriend liked to

01:48:38.020 like eat the condoms smell out of me type of thing um

01:48:41.280 i had two boyfriends i had a point too he liked to watch me and his homie like

01:48:46.940 that's why i say relationships are defined by the people in them

01:48:50.100 just like there's a girl doing this there are a bunch of men paying yeah exactly you you you guys

01:49:00.360 would be surprised you'd be so surprised oh yeah i just think um stop it

01:49:07.740 go ahead nala you know what's crazy i know not personally but i know of a lot of males who want

01:49:15.020 to eat out a girl who's been like cummed in by another and that is such a kink and that's like

01:49:19.960 so crazy there's men who want to get fed their own cum like there's a lot of different things

01:49:23.960 because i'm not i'm not okay i'd like to start like i'm not kink shaming nobody

01:49:27.800 i'm way too comfortable i don't get it i'm sorry andrew i'm sorry andrew and think about it

01:49:33.460 there's what men will publicly like and then what men will like and he's just telling us how boring

01:49:39.540 like men will publicly like certain things and like i'm okay with being boring if the

01:49:44.100 trans girls are some of the highest paid in porn you know chicks with dicks that's one of the

01:49:48.520 highest paid in porn um big um big beautiful woman they're one of the highest paid in porn like

01:49:52.840 certain things men don't publicly like to their friends but because bbws are the highest paid

01:49:57.920 i said not i think but trans girls make insane amount of money really insane like some of the

01:50:03.380 biggest on only yeah and so it's like that repression that kink oh my god my friends wouldn't like

01:50:08.420 that if anything it makes that fetish stronger like with the you know pastor's daughter thing

01:50:12.340 or catholic school girl the repression makes things stronger oh my friends would think i'm so gross

01:50:17.000 in your dating life you want you wanted you prefer a boyfriend who's a cuck i think it's hot i didn't

01:50:22.960 know i liked it till i had it okay all right teach their own you know all right um you also said

01:50:27.460 you also said though you're done tricking on men 2023 uh because of your research what does it mean

01:50:34.380 to trick on um okay is that like i've had a feminine boyfriend before like i can for me

01:50:39.940 like you're the sugar mom that is what i've learned is i didn't mind looking out for men to a certain

01:50:44.340 extent but so many men feel demasculized by it even if you're not directly demasculized them the fact

01:50:49.100 a girl's taking care of them a lot of the time makes a man feel weird right but for me if a man like

01:50:54.060 loves and accepts me and understands me if he is a cuck that's fun and certain things then i don't mind

01:50:59.740 tricking on you but then i've kind of learned i can't do it because um it doesn't seem to pan out

01:51:04.800 well because the end of the day they feel demasculized i'm for the unknowledgeable what

01:51:08.540 is tricking on them man spending money oh so you would like sugar mama type of thing or it can be

01:51:14.380 fun yeah if a guy is and i think it's attractive if a man can still feel like a man while doing that

01:51:19.260 like if you that's so hot it's so hot you're like okay daddy like i'm literally like cooking for you

01:51:26.460 like i'm here for you i'm also like putting a roof over your head and you are literally still

01:51:30.820 the man you can choke me slap me fucking bend me over and i'm like that's daddy

01:51:35.680 yeah it's fine but it's nice it's so nice to be like spend your money on things that you know you

01:51:45.380 want but like especially if you care about someone you're like damn it's yours anyway i'm sorry i gotta

01:51:49.640 raise my hand real quick are you are you simping on the dudes like you're spending money on the dudes i

01:51:54.260 like it yeah i like taking care of like i feel like i'm a nurturer where's the fitness nala super

01:51:59.620 chats on the whatever podcast that's what i'm wondering okay go ahead alexa no i was gonna say

01:52:04.780 here's the thing and like just say it just say god just say sorry being the oldest woman at this

01:52:10.660 table which is sad or wait how old are you 29 okay second oldest woman at this table sorry we're

01:52:14.880 up there compared to you did you just assume my gender i mean my age you're not performing well

01:52:20.440 i'm 34. performative i just saw the flannel i just made assumptions um it's one of those things

01:52:26.100 like i i get like girls make your money do your thing i'm all for a woman taking care of herself

01:52:31.280 and i support that but at the same time like as time goes on you don't want to be the mother of

01:52:37.060 your partner like that that's the thing you have to know and it's like like i love a strong man that

01:52:43.560 can take care of me i can take care of myself i've been taking care of myself since i was 16 years old

01:52:46.740 not because i want to just the reality of what it is and that's fine can you scoot in sorry yes

01:52:51.880 but it's one of those things also i think that there's like this very weird contradiction of

01:52:59.540 like be a boss babe do these things but at the same time when you do it like you it can demasculize

01:53:05.660 men and and in this position it's like there's a balance between saying like be your own person

01:53:12.640 support yourself make as much money as you can i'm all for that but at the same time like

01:53:17.440 don't mother your partner it's not attractive over time and i this is the thing is once you you might

01:53:24.620 like that in the beginning you might want to sit on a man that's your choice but as the years go on

01:53:29.840 i'm gonna tell you right now there's a lot of strong women in my family and they're the breadwinners

01:53:34.320 they're the caretakers and like it's embarrassing to say but like my cousin and i when we were 12 years

01:53:39.440 old we saw the women in our family being everything and we're like if this is what marriage is we don't

01:53:44.580 want this like why why would you want to be everything i mean like you if you're taking

01:53:48.740 care of kids because then you can just be single and take care of yourself and like yeah you know

01:53:52.860 like you want a man to be a man there's a man that could be taken care of and is going to like you

01:53:57.420 know about sitting on the couch playing video games doing nothing and there's a man who like okay a lot

01:54:02.220 of women can recognize if a man was taking care of you you would have room to explore other interests

01:54:05.500 build other hustles and do other things so if the man is taking that you are the breadwinner

01:54:09.420 as a reason to do more with his time or do more with the money you you make or help you make money

01:54:14.920 or help you grow your business that's one thing but just sitting back and being like oh she's got

01:54:18.500 it so i'm just gonna but i feel like the difference between that is a boy and a man all right no but

01:54:23.060 it's also like yeah yeah yeah that cool cool okay cool um so just to finish off with my questions for

01:54:28.680 you um let's oh the parent one yes yeah um you do only fans as well do your parents know

01:54:33.980 supportive not supportive so my mom knows she actually just told her about the only fans she's

01:54:39.900 been known that i'm a dancer since i started my stepdad knows i'm a dancer but he doesn't really

01:54:44.560 he doesn't know about the only fans just because he has a pretty antiquated view on you know the

01:54:48.960 internet's there forever and safety and stuff like that so when you say antiquated view what do you mean

01:54:54.060 i think it's just um a boomer slash gen x perspective that what what perspective is that

01:55:00.760 that you what is the antiquated perspective yeah that you shouldn't post that stuff on the internet

01:55:07.580 just like conservative yeah yeah yeah i guess that would be and and is that antiquated or is that

01:55:13.560 i mean i would it's definitely more common amongst older populations wait so do your parents do they

01:55:20.580 know that you're they said they know that you dance her mom does yeah so they both know that i

01:55:26.780 dance my mom knows that i do only dance my biological dad does not know either that as far as okay and

01:55:33.600 is your mom is she supportive yes she's all about me what about money she's she's all about you making

01:55:38.480 your money uh what about your dad biological dad or stepdad both um well my stepdad also doesn't

01:55:45.700 really care as long as i'm safe that's like the main thing for him and the same thing for my mom but

01:55:49.180 you know he's also wants me to be self-sufficient and stuff like that so that's like really their

01:55:54.360 main concern is myself self-sufficiency couldn't you be self-sufficient though without um it's a lot

01:55:59.660 more difficult so i did like you know as a young person the only options that i have you know for a

01:56:05.160 job is entry-level stuff and then also like fast food work and stuff like that i could work my way

01:56:10.960 you know as a manager in a fast food restaurant but that's really the highest up position that i could get

01:56:15.360 and then nala uh i mean i think you maybe talked a bit so my dad both all my my entire family knows

01:56:22.320 um my mom and i don't speak anymore she's very uh religious conservative we've never had a good

01:56:27.940 relationship throughout my entire life didn't even matter when i was a pastor's kid yeah um

01:56:32.500 my dad found out and everything very just supportive of me he is still a christian he loves me me and my

01:56:40.440 dad i've had a really good relationship throughout the years i financially support my family because

01:56:45.060 they're retired now and have like kids who have kids and like my nieces and nephew need like things

01:56:51.380 sometimes so i love to give money to my family because you know i have it and they're still part

01:56:55.740 of my family like i care about them so even if i didn't speak to them i wouldn't care like i made

01:57:02.600 the decisions i made and i'm being very smart about it and obviously i know that only fans is not the end

01:57:08.340 result i went to college to be a dental hygienist and i worked in an orthopedic office scheduling

01:57:13.880 surgeries and stuff i had big girl jobs with big girl benefits that didn't pay the bills so i'm like

01:57:18.840 listen i have huge pursuits like snowboarding snowboarding's fucking expensive i want to be

01:57:24.580 tutored in japanese that's expensive like i wanted things that i couldn't achieve with a normal job

01:57:32.140 and like something that men think that i should be doing you know so me pursuing this only fans

01:57:37.820 career gave me so much freedom to expand as a human being and i was like wow like this is what

01:57:45.380 i want to do and again this won't last forever just just get a curiosity you couldn't have gone

01:57:51.660 snowboarding and learned japanese without doing only fans i what i'm telling you is that it costs

01:57:57.120 money that i didn't have doing things like being a surgery scheduler working like i like i said i went

01:58:03.440 to college like i got my little degree and everything and that got me nowhere especially

01:58:07.620 with this economy right now it's so bad i could not live in california doing what i did absolutely not

01:58:12.920 it's so bad and then i was like i had to get a second job as a female who doesn't have a boyfriend

01:58:18.380 to you know i wasn't being supported by anyone so i was like okay you know what i think i'm really good

01:58:24.440 at a present having a presence online and i pursued so much i don't just do only fans and only fans is

01:58:32.220 really kind of like my content for only fans is slowed down so that i could pursue bigger things

01:58:37.660 that led me down different financial routes so again this was a starter not an ender can i ask one

01:58:44.320 question about to all the girls that do only fans because lord knows y'all make a lot of money and i'm

01:58:50.000 i'm gonna be honest sometimes i make jokes at work and i'm like i work obscene amount of hours

01:58:54.880 to not make anywhere near as much money but but there is a part of me that's also wondering like

01:59:00.260 you like you said you can't do this forever and when you go back into let's say civilian life

01:59:06.360 you're gonna look at everything and be like i'm not gonna accept any of this because

01:59:10.300 you're gonna make a eighth of what you made so it's not about that what i'm trying to do is

01:59:16.360 i almost want to answer you're gonna make money no no but the point of making you're smart

01:59:21.200 i was about to say like i'm not going back to a normal job but that's the whole point

01:59:26.900 so you're invested not every girl is you're invested no they're not i see no no no no hold on hold on

01:59:32.920 i think i mean perhaps you don't have any history on nala nala let me ask you a question um if you

01:59:41.580 wanted to retire today could you million percent i could have retired a year ago so it's i mean i

01:59:46.240 i you don't you're not familiar with nala but i think asking her that specific granted there

01:59:50.600 are women who do only fans who they will face that challenge but i think nala here is an

01:59:55.220 exceptional you're an exception for it well it's it's just so much more about growing yourself as

01:59:59.880 a person and not just growing and making content and taking pictures of yourself that doesn't help

02:00:04.240 you do anything bigger and then when you're making this much money as such a young person you're like

02:00:09.800 wow this is the time to be an adult you need to set up for your future self like you need to think

02:00:15.500 of like the future nala and be like you know what she'd want to be comfortable too and she would

02:00:19.980 want to continue sending her parents money i know that for a fact because i don't feel like i'm

02:00:24.180 changing anytime soon you know so that was the biggest purpose of this and i felt so steady in my

02:00:30.320 decision making through this and financial just like maneuvering i'm so thankful that i did what i did

02:00:36.600 i have a quick just a quick question if your parents if you went to your parents and you asked

02:00:41.620 them you said you know i have a choice i can either quit doing all of this tomorrow right and go get a

02:00:48.080 job for like a tenth of this or i can continue to do this and send you money which one do you think

02:00:53.320 they would ask my mom would say absolutely quit my dad he'd be like oh my god no why would you ever

02:01:00.600 quit your dad would say that my dad would say that i send money to my dad so that he can be

02:01:06.600 comfortable with like he's a pastor no he's not a pastor anymore they stopped being a pastor when i

02:01:11.340 was like 18 okay but he was and he retained his faith right he did he did i'm his daughter though

02:01:17.120 you know i'm not just some stranger he's like you know what if i want her in my life doesn't that make

02:01:20.840 it worse like wouldn't that make it worse don't you have to accept your kids for who they are

02:01:25.060 no what and so you know so wait no more guys one mic at a time are you just saying that like let's

02:01:31.100 just say i'll answer i'll answer the question if you had a kid and they were doing only fans what

02:01:34.820 you just disown them because they're doing they made a bad decision until they clean their life up

02:01:38.960 yeah you're a bad parent wow that's my family that's absolutely terrible okay well then what about

02:01:45.260 you're a bad kid okay you can't we're allowed guys guys please one person speaking at a time

02:01:52.380 go ahead you can think your kid is bad you can think your kid is bad and disagree with their life

02:01:56.720 choices sure but as a parent you're supposed to be like a guiding figure and a loving figure and

02:02:01.340 part of that is not abandoning them in their time of need and if you want if you want to talk about

02:02:06.060 christianity if you want to talk about christianity if you want to talk about like god and jesus and the

02:02:10.700 countless stories there are in the bible like still i gotta respond to this okay listen first

02:02:15.960 of all let's dive into this just a little bit okay my daughter calls me up and she's like hey dad

02:02:21.740 you know i'm still gonna be doing only fans but i'm kind of thinking about not doing it right i would

02:02:26.900 say yes absolutely don't do it in her situation she's like no he would totally be cool with it

02:02:32.380 you're saying you would do because when your child you're saying you would say what was the

02:02:36.100 gone child what was the context the context is until what he said the question was straightforwardly

02:02:44.920 asked um if you found out your daughter had only fans what would you do and i said until she cleaned

02:02:50.640 up i would not be participating with her allow her in my life it's probably easier for them

02:02:55.560 that why is that awful because you're not supporting your child yeah i'm not supporting

02:02:59.760 you don't have to support what you're doing but you shouldn't i'm only going to face consequences

02:03:03.420 a decision doesn't make them as a whole though yeah the thing you all know better you literally

02:03:08.820 told me you know for sure what you're doing is bad and you're just gonna do it anyway and then

02:03:13.180 you're like dad support it it's crazy who said it's bad though that's crazy even nala even what nala

02:03:17.960 said she said her dad doesn't support she might not support what she does only fans whatever but

02:03:24.100 he's like you know what you're my daughter and if that's what you want to do with your life

02:03:27.920 that doesn't yeah but i'm i i'm saying yeah go fucking do that but are you sure that this isn't

02:03:32.540 just cope and i'm still gonna be in your life are you sure that's not just cope because the same

02:03:35.980 thing could happen to you well that's that's not true at all though yeah isn't it though isn't it

02:03:40.860 really cope you're just upset because your parents might actually do this to you they might make you

02:03:44.480 feel the consequences of this right and then what you're just an independent without parents so if

02:03:49.400 you don't care if they disown you why would you say they're a bad parent no no of course i care

02:03:53.820 you about it one out of ten do you think your daughter do you think your daughter would care

02:03:58.300 if you abandoned her it's not abandoning you're abandoning an adult an adult yes you cannot there

02:04:05.320 is no age that you cannot abandon your kids when they're 60 and making bad choices and you're 80

02:04:11.320 you don't have to say okay you don't have to say every decision they do is good you don't have to

02:04:18.440 support every decision they do but that is very distinct than owning your own child and i hope we

02:04:23.320 can all agree do you know what a limit is yeah you're allowed to have so emotional and be logical for

02:04:28.800 five seconds here go ahead go ahead um for me so my mom she's extremely catholic she grew up in the

02:04:34.340 philippines like the only place where divorce is illegal and her when i she first found out obviously

02:04:39.060 there was a stagnation of relationship hold up you'll go right after this alexa the only same

02:04:45.340 one as a tech pm do you think big tech censors brixton because he redirects real debates to get into

02:04:52.240 six way of 304 fest fights then complains is part of it he disagrees fight wait what do you think big

02:05:01.720 tech censors brian because he redirects real debates to get into six way of 304 he's criticizing you for

02:05:08.360 stopping the debates um to like be like anyway it's back to pastor's daughter that's what he's

02:05:12.640 saying we just needed a break that was it we're coming back to it well the you know the part two

02:05:17.180 is coming what's going on a while like i said it's we'll do a little intermission and we will come

02:05:20.860 back you can't talk about one time time permitted of course but and obviously like if it was just a

02:05:26.000 debate with you and andrew that'd be fine but i do want to try to reel other people into the

02:05:32.160 conversation for me it's like what if what have you committed adultery against your wife

02:05:35.800 and then your kid found out about that and disowned you because should my wife abandon me

02:05:40.100 should my wife abandon me when i commit adultery and do something she doesn't like about the

02:05:43.680 daughter no no answer my question hang on this is a perfect my wife so my question with the question

02:05:49.240 yeah yeah yeah i'll answer so i'll answer i'll answer then you answer so the answer is yes i would

02:05:54.000 sorry sorry i did say that she could go so i'm sorry but go ahead um so all the thing is i feel like

02:05:59.620 so me and my mom were distant you know at a point when she found out but then i feel like

02:06:03.500 as a mother like she just kind of stands one from her for a catholic perspective it's not mine it's

02:06:08.020 that um everyone has their own sins she has no place to judge me because she has her own things

02:06:11.880 and then the other thing is she noticed like when we're talking about um bad life choices and your

02:06:16.760 kid coming back when their life's cleaned up my mom realized i was always just on a better path when i

02:06:20.700 had her love in my life like when if when i was distant from her then i was going further into things

02:06:26.680 that she didn't want to see me in because just having your parents love is just kind of motivating

02:06:31.060 having your parents acceptance any goal you have of your kid just doing better for themselves will

02:06:35.540 be easier when they know that their parent loves them even if you know i don't i don't support this

02:06:40.160 i don't want to hear about this but i still love you maybe you barely talk to them every day but okay

02:06:43.560 for me i'm diabetic do you think my parents would never yeah they would never stop giving me insulin

02:06:48.280 i could have done anything in the world they would always make sure i have my insulin

02:06:50.680 yeah like certain things you see what i'm saying i'm not i know that's a different extreme but it's

02:06:54.320 kind of like who's you know i i it's like doc vinably donated 200 dollars if my daughter did

02:07:01.120 of that means i failed her as a father she would do of only if i am dead or in jail your fathers are

02:07:07.900 morally weak men they are morally weak men i guess what could i ask you who do you think is the example

02:07:12.880 well i mean you can say fuck you but he's right look the chatter's right can i ask you a question

02:07:17.040 hang on let me finish my point i'm gonna tell i'm gonna tell you right you do have to be a morally

02:07:23.700 weak man if they know like in your case maybe not because your dad doesn't know okay but a lot of

02:07:28.780 people that i've talked to here their dads do know and they're just like but we're a dog doesn't like

02:07:33.500 it we're able to make our own decisions my dad doesn't like it just let me finish the point i'm

02:07:37.800 almost done okay yeah i think that that's a moral weakness to say i will enable you i will enable you

02:07:44.300 to do this threshold breaking thing especially from a christian perspective it's insane i don't

02:07:48.880 i don't know why anybody would do it i would say you know why because real christians love everyone

02:07:52.880 so then all so then why not just make everything permissible i love the fact that you're like i'll

02:07:56.880 disown my daughter that's not so everything's permissible i didn't think that there's a difference

02:08:01.640 between no no okay but all social behaviors all sexual behaviors all everything christians must

02:08:08.920 permit that who's the example in christianity answer the question i feel like ask

02:08:14.160 him that who in christianity answer the question is it is all forms of social sexual behavior

02:08:21.740 something which are supposed to be permissible to christians i don't think it should be permissible

02:08:25.780 i think that you should love no matter what so then if it's not permissible if it's not permissible

02:08:30.160 then i'm not giving permission which means i'm not endorsing it which means i'm not allowing it which

02:08:33.840 means i'm totally against it but if your kid is an adult why do you have to allow them to do

02:08:38.880 something what do you i'm not allowing them to what are you talking about who in christianity is

02:08:46.200 the example for parenting who is it you mean in which context which saints are you talking about

02:08:51.800 what i'm talking about there's saints which you can look to as examples in parenting who do you look

02:08:56.540 to as the example for parenting as the example inside of christianity of course one sec honestly

02:09:03.460 nala has a special brand of daddy issues every girl has a craving for em attention if she doesn't

02:09:10.500 get it from her dad she will get by being a thought thought so here i need to look at jesus

02:09:15.700 christ you want to answer but like i i do want to i have so many notes i have to get through so

02:09:19.820 go ahead it sounded like you wanted to say something so so i feel like a lot of people think

02:09:25.680 that because what i do i have daddy issues or mommy issues or whatever the fuck it is but it's

02:09:30.240 honestly it's a self-made choice i didn't go to my dad and be like you know should i do this and he

02:09:36.020 just gave me like all this advice to do it you know i came to them told them because i wanted to

02:09:41.440 be honest with my parents they have that reason like they have that decision to make with their

02:09:47.240 kid if they do something like this you know what i mean like whether they want to be in your life or

02:09:51.200 not i think it's bad parenting if you don't want to be in your kid's life no matter what they do i'm not

02:09:55.440 saying if they like delete someone that's like that's a great i don't know i feel like the line is just

02:10:00.140 too broad here so let me ask you this can you make the judgment and the value added judgment

02:10:05.800 on what's bad parenting i have children do you have any no okay and then on top of it from your

02:10:13.380 parents perspective you turned out to go off and do only fans and like show your butthole online for

02:10:18.960 money how's that great parenting how could you come to me and say what a great parent should do

02:10:24.080 is this you're the perfect example of everything that nobody should listen to for great parenting

02:10:29.180 christ a terrible parent because like so many of his sons and daughters commit sin you said jesus is

02:10:35.320 your example for parenting who did jesus dine with of course he died for everybody oh dine i'm sorry

02:10:43.980 go ahead who did he dine with in in which context like his apostles in the gospels yeah he would dine with

02:10:50.620 everybody dine with sinners he would dine with saints who did he call godless fools and rejected

02:10:55.120 outright okay just stop just get to your point he called know this well it's fine if you don't know

02:11:00.320 should i the people he called godless fools was pharisees the leaders of the religion whereas in the

02:11:06.320 cases of women who were adulterers tax collectors the ones he told to sin no more he told them to sin

02:11:12.000 no more but he still dined with them and he told them to sin no more he said go and sin no more

02:11:16.960 disowning is not the same thing as saying disowning until a behavior is modified no that's behavior

02:11:22.740 modification no it's not how do you oh there's a million ways to not hold on hold on hold on

02:11:27.320 there's a million ways to condone an action how do you even reconcile the prodigal son

02:11:32.940 when the father as the son walks home says you've been my son the whole time you never removed it

02:11:39.860 the son left and the father allowed him to live out the consequences of that but the father didn't

02:11:44.840 first of all the father didn't send him away and when he came back he threw him a massive party

02:11:49.540 yes the parable child the parable prodigal son but here's the thing when you're looking at what

02:11:54.900 happened in the results of the prodigal son the father did not go where the son was where the son

02:12:02.120 was committing all these heinous acts we're not saying stop stop we're not saying you should start

02:12:05.760 only fans that's what we're saying you're not saying join only fans you're saying you don't

02:12:10.460 disown your child you're all spurging you're all spurging calm down let me finish my point

02:12:14.820 okay dad didn't dad didn't go where he was dad wasn't going and uh you know trying to pull him

02:12:21.520 back he wasn't doing any of this he was saying i don't i don't endorse what it is that you're doing

02:12:26.540 what you're going after yes he did say that he told him it was a bad idea to leave that's a very

02:12:31.440 big difference between okay he told him it was a bad now he left anyway after breaking the fortune

02:12:35.920 and then when he came back humble when he came back humble with his tail between his legs crying

02:12:42.040 his eyes out did his father say you've now returned to me the prodigal son and now all is forgiven you

02:12:48.920 have always always yeah the key word here you've always been there's still always your kid

02:12:54.700 that doesn't mean that you have to that doesn't mean you have to enable it in the cases like did

02:13:01.120 he not go with them to like go and slut it up with whores and blow money on crack no he didn't but

02:13:06.440 she's not saying hey dad come do only fans with me you should my dad is nowhere in my life but my

02:13:11.240 point my point is is this is that again when he came back humble when he came back correct when he

02:13:17.440 came back from doing the horrible things that he was doing then dad said yes welcome back in you were

02:13:23.480 always my son of course i never stopped loving you but he was not endorsing all the things at no

02:13:28.380 point was he just let me finish he was not endorsing all the things the kid was doing he was not going

02:13:32.920 out of his way to make sure that the kid had additional money to continue sending where he was

02:13:36.560 at he wasn't doing any of that i'm not saying any of these things the issue is that if christ is the

02:13:41.480 example for parenting and he loves you every single step of the way he's not the only disowning your child

02:13:47.800 is the opposite of that thing now i am fine with parents getting to decide if you're like don't want to

02:13:53.000 like support that they tell them explicitly like i would be fine with a relationship like my parents

02:13:57.140 are christian my brother's gay i'm fine with them regularly can the catholic church excommunicate

02:14:01.300 people yes but the catholic church is in no way the same thing as yeah so if the catholic church

02:14:05.880 excommunicates somebody are you saying that what they're doing why do they excommunicate let me

02:14:09.920 finish that's an extremely important stop stop we're getting stop okay make make a final point

02:14:14.760 okay i'll make it quick if you make if you make an excommunication why is it that they're not

02:14:21.080 turning their back on their children okay an excommunication at an apostolic level of the

02:14:26.000 catholic church is about godless fools it's about not always that is why the eastern orthodox was

02:14:30.980 removed they broke up they didn't because they thought that you got no i know you guys broke up

02:14:35.640 with us after but that's just not true the reason that they were you're a catholic i'm not a catholic

02:14:40.180 but yeah come on you're not a catholic yeah i'm more catholic than i'm eastern okay 20 seconds 20

02:14:45.180 seconds the reason that churches excommunicate is because they're violating the nature of god

02:14:49.700 himself not because they're doing a sin that they dislike it's extremely different and these types

02:14:54.920 of sins like blaspheming the holy spirit is in no way comparable to moral sins or virtue sins which

02:15:01.800 may be only fans as moral sins or maybe it's a virtue sin i'm not sure where it falls specifically

02:15:06.240 but acting like the church can excommunicate so parents can excommunicate their children is a

02:15:11.220 bastardization of why the catholic church does this in the first place so let's look at this

02:15:14.700 logically to what you're saying not what the distinction which the distinctions in the reasoning

02:15:19.560 are yeah yeah i know i'm just trying to respond but the distinction in the reasonings are let's look at

02:15:24.180 this from a holistic you claimed listen because jesus christ said thing x it's not proper for you to

02:15:30.940 then say nope i'll walk away from this but it is proper for the catholic church to do the same thing

02:15:36.020 under the same circumstances and your only claim to this is to say that they reject

02:15:41.120 it's just that they rejected christ so the same thing happens no exactly not rejecting christ oh

02:15:47.400 you can't be rejecting christ yes blaspheming the holy spirit but here's the thing what what the

02:15:53.020 what the pharisees did was bad enough no that's not they're not just analogous this is your logic

02:16:02.360 no this is the logic of like you guys can know it's just your logic okay okay okay interlude uh can

02:16:09.180 we can we see an ahi gal i guess just let's do a little reset why don't you do one

02:16:14.360 wait you're gonna ask the women to do it but you're too can she teach you how to do it

02:16:20.320 that seems a little weird go ahead do you want to do you want to do it oh my god lord have mercy

02:16:27.240 yummy we must we must okay all right let me get i'm trying to get through my notes because i don't

02:16:33.480 want to be here uh thank you said i don't want to be here no no that's not what i meant i was in brian

02:16:38.920 okay so um nala in your previous appearance on the show you claimed that you had a thing for cheating

02:16:46.120 yeah i knew that was gonna get brought up um for those who didn't previously see that are you uh

02:16:53.380 is that still the case so i haven't dated anyone i haven't helped anyone cheat recently or even in

02:17:00.460 at least the last year that i know of so it's like i said it was a fantasy it is a fantasy you know what

02:17:08.140 i mean like it's the compromise that you make in that sexual act is hot to me so wait wait sorry

02:17:17.120 you said help people cheating okay so like if they have a partner yes you're and i'm single

02:17:23.380 like and we have sex so you're the homewrecker no i'm not so for me if you made that decision and

02:17:29.600 you're in the relationship i don't push anyone to do anything but if you want to have sex with me and

02:17:34.540 you keep pushing that's on you you wanted out of that relationship before you know and how do i

02:17:41.300 know that they haven't done it with other people wait i thought you said you'd like to cheat on your

02:17:45.340 on your partners i did i really did because they hurt me you know and i was like you know what fuck

02:17:50.420 this this is hot i'm gonna cheat on you and i'm gonna get a better no but didn't you say even in a

02:17:55.100 healthy relationship i've never been in a healthy relationship but other people honestly no if you're

02:18:00.960 in a healthy relationship you don't cheat no but you said even if you were in an otherwise healthy

02:18:05.940 relationship you would cheat because it's like a fantasy of yours is that correct if i was in a

02:18:10.520 healthy relationship i'd fucking hold on to it oh okay all right that's good i feel like i would

02:18:16.360 so like i said when i cheat it's because you've gone so fucking far with me you've pushed every

02:18:23.760 button why don't you just break up with them yeah because i need the satisfaction that i fucking won

02:18:29.240 i'm sorry i don't want to be an asshole but like when guys like like remember when chris brown beat

02:18:34.600 the shit out of brianna and i'm not saying that these are identical i was like sorry remember when chris

02:18:40.260 brown was a big meanie bobeanie towards brianna yes um no it's just that i'm trying to see how

02:18:45.560 it's related but okay okay the relation the relevance here is if you try to justify a negative

02:18:50.600 behavior out of vengeance because of what another person has done to you we wouldn't take that type

02:18:56.020 of argumentation for any behavior this is like the actual abuser tactic of being like i i just have

02:19:01.420 to gaslight you because you make me because you're so crazy right it's like no that's not how any of this

02:19:06.860 works so when i cheat that's the end like no why don't you just end it yeah oh because like i said

02:19:14.280 it's a fantasy we wouldn't be cheating if we broke up it would just be a hookup

02:19:18.320 okay all right we have a

02:19:21.460 i feel like she's not saying it's right i just feel like it's a common behavior

02:19:23.600 that's cool yeah totally cool very cool yeah cool i just feel like i have the balls to admit things

02:19:28.100 that other people don't would you agree maybe that's yeah you know it's cool uh it is immoral

02:19:32.800 i don't think it's right i just said it was a fantasy along with a lot of other things i like

02:19:38.320 all right we have a chat here darian murphy jesus said by following him we would be

02:19:41.760 we would have be we would have be divided do you think i came to bring peace on earth

02:19:47.400 no i tell you but division from now on there will be five in one family divided against each other

02:19:52.660 three against two and two against three luke 12 51 to 52 okay biblical deconstructivism is like

02:20:00.040 damn near heretical like protestants do it all the time and that's not how you engage with the bible

02:20:04.640 i don't know exactly all of luke 12 but i'm pretty sure that this verse has almost nothing to do with

02:20:09.820 only fans or children sitting against their parents and i think it's specifically about like end time

02:20:14.680 prophecies and like talking about in many ways how like the tribal churches were super like

02:20:19.280 disintegrated and uncoordinated i could be wrong because i need to read 12 but biblical deconstruction

02:20:23.740 is just bad don't do it all right talking about like the one thing is one thing i can agree with

02:20:28.920 right is that the protestant exegesis is usually bad okay it's usually bad about herpes yep it's

02:20:36.280 about herpes a biological sewer crazy burpee guys guys a biological sewer at what point does the

02:20:44.580 government step in and stop the spread of this place i don't need the government ryan you can

02:20:48.660 i got you what does the government have to do with only fans well they could show that wasn't the

02:20:54.220 good nuke hold on i'll send the better nuke one sec that's what he's saying they could shut it down

02:20:57.800 i mean only fans would be like the worst thing to shut down to stop herpes because it's like

02:21:02.200 non-context sexual behavior probably shut down like escorting and stuff like that but also asking

02:21:06.960 let's see here uh we have uh nala uh i discovered something about you oh my uh nothing bad it's

02:21:17.720 nothing too crazy i don't think there's anything that bad about me i uh i actually you know compared

02:21:23.080 to you know you do you do the only fans whatever okay but there's one individual who you've been

02:21:29.480 intimate with who publicly that i object to that i object to uh his name is vitale

02:21:39.400 you and let's nick you got a photo that's a big talk oh my god he doesn't so that was him

02:21:47.660 fucked up that was so long ago listen you had you it was the worst decision of my life oh wait you

02:21:57.160 regret i hate him okay hate such a strong word he's terrible he's such an obnoxious human being

02:22:05.400 i went to go make content with him at a um we where were we we were at a college not like of content

02:22:11.820 we made like a video for like youtube and stuff yeah most obnoxious man i've ever met in my life like

02:22:20.040 i'm a content creator i knew how things were supposed to go and yes i made an only fans video with him it

02:22:26.280 was the worst thing i've ever done in my life i wish i could take it back i wish i could just you

02:22:32.760 know delete him from my whole brain um and was this before or after his you know his after way after

02:22:40.900 this was like did you did you know about it though did you know i or you found out okay so what

02:22:45.760 happened was i kind of found out after i didn't know how severe the situation was until after my

02:22:51.400 assistant came up to me and was like hey you should read this and i was like are you fucking

02:22:56.580 with me i didn't know it was like real i honestly thought it was kind of like a joke

02:23:01.140 until then he opened up about it and was like oh yeah acted like it wasn't even a big deal and i felt

02:23:08.100 so disgusted i was like this man is like doesn't belong here like he needs to go back to wherever he

02:23:13.820 came from it was awful i don't think he's a good person at all can we get a little bit more context

02:23:20.280 i have no background i mean he uh vitality did something very he took a lot of something and then

02:23:27.540 ended up hurting and very innocent person a woman a woman yeah hurt and he used to so badly he's a

02:23:34.980 prankster on youtube i'm a terrible person i used to do some pranks so you know familiar air familiar with

02:23:41.760 him um and uh i honestly thought it was a joke i thought it was a joke because he does all he does

02:23:49.740 like bottle smashing on people's heads and stuff and i was like oh this is this has got to be a joke

02:23:55.240 it was not a joke i was like he's actually smashed bottles physically no he does a lot of youtube like

02:24:01.800 a lot of like the youtube pranksters i feel like that's what's really wrong with like like society

02:24:06.880 because now you're who watches those mostly kids a lot of kids are the ones who mostly watch like

02:24:12.360 prank videos and all that and i feel like a lot of since like jake paul and all that it's just been

02:24:17.420 like so bad thank you okay um sorry but like just have to say that it's gross uh but i was i do not

02:24:26.140 like him i was i'm curious i don't want i don't want to get i don't want to get into it but there's

02:24:30.920 like some old i'm not going to get into it but um i certainly don't like him because of the incident

02:24:37.860 that occurred with the woman in florida but uh i'm appalled i hope i never see him again

02:24:45.360 okay there's a bit of tea there all right we have modest tacama uh brian i now understand why

02:24:51.140 michael knows canceled i would have to two-thirds of the penalties okay that's not nice that's not nice

02:24:55.420 uh why you think mk wants to associate with uh well first off i don't i don't like this

02:25:02.860 characterization of the panel here uh but um michael knowles did not cancel because we've had him on

02:25:09.860 the show before we're we're on very good terms with the daily wire and uh they had like this last

02:25:15.980 minute uh kind of almost impromptu unannounced just dropping this new premiere thing and they had the

02:25:23.720 premiere in nashville so it's a uh like a movie it's a film like brett cooper like snow white movie

02:25:31.060 or no it's uh it's something uh i don't i forgot what the title is but uh i guess that's coming out

02:25:37.480 soon or maybe it already came out but okay so it's crazy to act like people don't want to be on this

02:25:41.660 platform with like thousands of viewers and stuff like michael knowles has only everything to gain

02:25:46.080 by being on this panel especially if he can like shit on some like slutty women and all that's do

02:25:50.400 all that does is i don't know if that's fair but sure but yeah it's good for him of course well no

02:25:54.820 but i mean he's obviously very big in his own right so i'm not i don't have a big ego about it it's

02:25:59.980 just things happen and we're we're we're already in conversations to reschedule it so he's he's

02:26:05.180 going to come back on but all right we have uh bass here question for the not the nala the nala

02:26:10.440 uh the women generally and a layup for andrew why is honor and virtue not the most important thing

02:26:15.880 about men to you i only heard one lady talk about how character is important how could you ever let

02:26:20.420 someone without honor and virtue have s with you discuss please okay so for me honor and virtue

02:26:26.000 i've not been shown by a man i feel like men the men i've been with don't show that at all they don't

02:26:33.580 have like a pride in who they are they don't have a pride in what they do they i think honor truly has

02:26:39.640 to do with like having pride in who you are as a person that would be the opposite of virtue

02:26:45.140 pride pride is the pride is in like confidence you're like you're as a person you're just extremely

02:26:54.540 about what you do i don't know but i feel like even so men that i've seen and stuff or

02:27:03.520 they lie they fucking lie and i don't feel like they ever showed their woman like how to be loyal

02:27:11.620 like set an example then you know what i mean that's so sad i feel like that doesn't even answer

02:27:17.060 or begin to answer the question so but you're telling me that pride is like selfish and i'm like

02:27:22.020 no it's not well it's one of the it's one of the seven deadly sins i think she's trying to like

02:27:27.820 the question he's asking or he's trying to get at is he's saying he's saying that he's saying

02:27:38.700 listen if they don't have virtues why would you do that with them anyway and so what you said is well

02:27:44.160 none of them have ever shown me the virtues that's why i've been single for two years now but that

02:27:47.720 just leads back to the question of yeah i know that they're not showing you any virtues so why are

02:27:52.820 you doing this with them when they don't have any virtues but who am i doing it with i've been

02:27:57.040 single well before well before you were single oh because i feel like you know you jump into

02:28:02.240 relationships because you like who they are and you don't know them that well and you don't know

02:28:06.540 if they have honor and virtue right away so i feel like that's kind of a hard thing to determine what's

02:28:11.380 that because you're talking about how like oh you think people are lying so you think that they have

02:28:17.820 virtue and honor and all these things and it turns out that it was wrong here we got living in

02:28:22.500 something you care about what virtues and honor i feel like virtues come in different forms

02:28:28.240 like what it kind of depends on what kind of virtues like are you honest are you true to yourself are

02:28:34.560 you brave are you courageous like what kind of virtues are we talking about well so let's just

02:28:40.920 take a simple one like um let's say just temperance temperance is a virtue it's like somebody who's even

02:28:46.680 keeled for instance would you consider that to be virtuous i think that's extremely virtuous to be

02:28:51.300 able to contain yourself in multiple different situations yeah so i haven't seen that though

02:28:57.280 i really haven't uh so i don't know i feel like i try to find that in myself but i can't dictate

02:29:03.820 that to anyone yeah got it so what the what he's asking is since you're not finding those things those

02:29:09.280 things that you consider virtues that you're agreeing with me are virtues in the men why do anything

02:29:14.640 with them that's his question that's what he's not understanding it's a weird question because it

02:29:18.440 it makes it seem like the way that women think about how they're gonna have sex is they like have

02:29:22.740 this checkbox and they're like watching and being like oh how does he act here virtues are really hard

02:29:27.700 to establish mostly right away mostly in time and experience like how do they react when like somebody

02:29:33.120 like cuts them off how do they react like when we have a disagreement about a situation so there's

02:29:37.540 like a lot of testing that has to occur so probably what's actually true is like men and women

02:29:43.340 mostly care i think about how you make them feel that's broadly why people tend to get into a relationship

02:29:47.640 and i would agree that i don't think our society is doing a good job of teaching people how to vet

02:29:53.240 in their relationship right also you can act you can act in these things yeah right but this is like

02:29:59.580 um the descriptive is so what he's still asking though is he's saying even if that's true if what if

02:30:05.100 kyla's saying is true and um kind of we just go with our feelings at the time kind of that type of

02:30:11.520 thing why wouldn't you why wouldn't you want to shoulder those until you found somebody who is

02:30:18.340 virtuous before you decided to engage in a sexual relationship with him that's the point that he's

02:30:24.080 trying to bring you back well that's what he's trying to say and he's trying to say because

02:30:27.240 it this is what i think anyway he's trying to say it's because you don't actually care about

02:30:32.240 virtues that's not what you're after i'm actually just not after anyone in general so it's like yeah

02:30:37.900 but before you look yeah some people just want sexual grow and change like i don't know what

02:30:42.760 some people just want sexual relationships which is like their own prerogative they're allowed to do

02:30:47.560 that um some people believe that others are virtuous and think that that's established and

02:30:52.340 ends up that they're deceived so there's like a whole variety of reasons why women might have sex

02:30:56.800 with unvirtuous men that isn't just they don't care about men have sex with unvirtuous no literally

02:31:02.020 sure here let's okay hold on uh nick can you pull up twitch please guys go to twitch.tv

02:31:08.000 slash whatever drops to follow drops a prime sub if you have one thank you guys okay so last

02:31:13.240 question for you nala uh you are you uh jack doherty doherty doherty doherty i love you do you are

02:31:22.660 you he's like has a of management company are you working with him or no i'm not you've just

02:31:26.940 collaborated with him have you done have you done a scene with jack yeah somewhat it wasn't a full

02:31:32.480 scene or anything okay but yeah okay it was kind of fun got it and so it was definitely not a full

02:31:37.780 scene i want to bring it back to everybody's relationship status so uh single married single

02:31:45.620 single single single single and then andrew's married um when you guys what are you i have to

02:31:52.960 keep things uh vague a little bit you know um so okay not very virtuous oh claim her proud

02:32:02.780 yeah oh maybe it is virtuous because he wants it do they know about each other is like my main

02:32:07.940 question okay all right so i'm just kidding i'm just kidding by the way i have no tea so okay

02:32:14.640 nuke it brian everybody's those of you who said you're single what does single actually mean so

02:32:22.400 i guess my question for you i'm not messing around with anyone we're going around the table

02:32:26.620 uh you're not currently i'm not sexually active at all right last time you went on a date though

02:32:31.340 like are you oh my god it's been a minute i really wanted to just kind of dive deep into myself

02:32:37.820 you know when's the last time uh you've hung out with a guy romantically maybe you guys didn't hook

02:32:43.740 up or anything maybe you didn't go on an official date but you've hung out with a guy in a romantic

02:32:47.860 it's been months months months months no one really interests me like this is the thing i feel like

02:32:53.820 i'm just pursuing what about nick other things huh my uh producer back there nick what's up with nick

02:33:01.400 does he interest you he's cute yeah he's cute oh yeah he's tall he's a tall guy's out of water

02:33:06.860 you hear that you hear that nick he's blushing um does it does it change anything for you that

02:33:12.980 he's a nick can i share he's is a virgin he's a virgin oh no that's so sweet actually it's so

02:33:21.000 sweet every guy wants to hear your virginity is so cute but it is though like the fact would you take

02:33:26.380 it so i'm sorry sorry is it okay if i ask that nick okay so sorry no i'm sorry okay if he just

02:33:33.240 straight out asked me i'd be like no but okay if we like went on some dates and he went snowboarding

02:33:39.880 with me yeah okay i see okay um you're single but what does that actually mean are you there

02:33:45.040 is there some guy are you are you bi i'm bi is there a guy in the picture a woman in the picture

02:33:51.600 um i mean there's a guy that i've gone on a couple of dates with i mean we'll see if it

02:33:56.220 develops further i don't want to give she's glowing okay when's the last time you saw him

02:34:02.380 um i don't want to give a timeline because then i'm afraid people are going to be able to yeah

02:34:06.020 but um yeah it's like recently i'll keep it like that yeah okay all right uh what about you you said

02:34:13.460 you recently got out of your situation or whatever yep um so good for you for getting out of that

02:34:20.100 have you had a rebound because you were you were oh that's right so you deserve better please please

02:34:25.560 you were on the dating app uh yeah and on your dating i think we did we react to it last stream

02:34:32.980 a little bit it wasn't really nothing to talk yeah you said you were like i'm in town for a couple

02:34:37.180 days if there's any dudes blah blah blah so have you had a rebound no i haven't really had time for

02:34:43.020 a rebound you don't have time um you've not met up with any guys so i have i've met up with some

02:34:48.940 so the first time i was over here i met up with one guy he was real cool but all like

02:34:54.560 it wasn't really a rebound it was more like i'm hanging out with people so that they can show me

02:35:00.200 new things around here because i'm not from here and um i wasn't really looking for sex or nothing

02:35:05.640 like romantic if if anything at at most take me out on a date show me what food you like around here

02:35:11.640 pay for it so that i don't have to pay for it while i'm on my trip okay um nothing i'm not really

02:35:17.180 looking for nothing romantic or sexual it's just a little too much are you're are you talking to

02:35:22.300 anybody right now or no no nobody nobody zero zero okay oh wait really quick coming back to you kylie

02:35:28.680 you in your pre-show notes here you wrote in this space uh finding out my husband is my first and only

02:35:33.960 sex partner is apparently crazy uh so is that you yeah i was a virgin until i met my okay all right

02:35:41.240 there you go it's actually not all it's like cracked up to be i feel like people really idealize

02:35:45.880 that but do they yeah i'm so curious about that i'm so curious so i grew up super fundamental

02:35:50.640 christian i'm still christian i'm just not a fundamentalist anymore um i think the way that

02:35:54.580 that sexual purity is often attained in the church is through a lot of like shame so a lot of my

02:36:00.240 like friends that got married felt like immediately dirtied and defiled after having sex even though they

02:36:07.920 waited until marriage like there's this really common problem so just some really uncomfortable

02:36:12.120 stats every time i see these words men get uncomfortable i've never heard that yeah vaginismus

02:36:15.860 rates are almost triple in religious particularly fundamental religious uh couples so that if you

02:36:21.840 don't know what vaginismus is it's when like your sorry your vaginal hole is really tight and penetration

02:36:26.820 is like excruciatingly painful to sometimes impossible um so vaginismus is really high and orgasm rates

02:36:32.720 also in like more fundamental relationships is significantly lower for women as well so like this idea

02:36:37.560 being a virgin i'm i'm definitely pro i think sex should be treated as like a sacred thing um i

02:36:43.720 don't really agree with like the casual sex stuff i think some people seem to be like sociosexual and be

02:36:48.420 able to manage it i think most people are lying to themselves if i'm being honest but i live in a

02:36:52.520 liberal society you can fucking lie to yourself if you want um and so there was like a lot of issues

02:36:58.540 that came from me being a virgin as like i think i'm like deeply sexually immature compared to where i

02:37:05.540 think i would like to be at the state my marriage like i'm a very financially mature and stuff like

02:37:09.160 that but there's a lot of things that i feel like there's like nervousness and fear i remember i used

02:37:13.100 to like jerk and like be fearful when men touched me um and so i'm not saying that sex isn't sacred

02:37:19.260 but i think a lot of men in the red pill space idealize my circumstance with my husband and i just

02:37:25.160 really am want to emphasize like it's tough like it's really tough there was a lot of problems that

02:37:29.860 have been bleeding for like five days excruciating pain shame like yeah i think we have to be

02:37:36.140 cautious when we talk about virginity as far as like how we why would we need to be cautious like

02:37:40.900 what would be the alternative to that except to have sex or do you know what i mean what would be the

02:37:45.780 alternative to like talk about healthy relationships and healthy sex rather than just shaming women in

02:37:51.620 the church for having any level of sexuality do you wish you would have had sex before your marriage

02:37:56.060 that's part but that's part of it it doesn't have to be part of it yeah it does need to be part of

02:38:01.380 it yes it does you're trying to deter the behavior no no okay no no no no no no hold on um just i i

02:38:09.420 really got to move on so okay was your husband also a virgin no okay oh he wasn't but okay and it

02:38:16.060 was a really big issue by the way for me for for you or okay yeah it really bothered me at first

02:38:20.160 because i was i was still decently fundy when we met you're decently what fundamentally sorry

02:38:25.020 fundamentally i thought you said fundy fundy yeah okay um so be brief please yeah go ahead it

02:38:31.300 bothered me okay um eden you said you're single yeah yeah are you actually single though uh yeah i'm

02:38:40.220 pretty single there's no guy in the picture not maybe a lady friend yeah nothing zero there was

02:38:45.700 like one guy i was like dealing with but then um he had like a girl's his wallpaper like last week

02:38:51.180 came around so i had to block him and okay well i have some notes here so you said in your

02:38:56.780 pre-show notes to us you said you had two boyfriends at once i had a cuck boyfriend who'd like i think

02:39:01.840 you shared this eating you out after you got with somebody else get the rocks yeah i'll do yeah get the

02:39:10.120 rock um

02:39:10.940 okay well you're into that so okay you've been in open poly relations uh situations um you said

02:39:20.020 dating an s work uh and how people are entitled to have the boundary of not wanting to date a sex

02:39:26.560 worker which i think that's fair um how a lot of people lying about being being able to be monogamous

02:39:32.720 um do you think so do you think people are incapable of being monogamous um i don't think

02:39:40.160 that no one's capable of being monogamous but i do think like the structure of like we're gonna date

02:39:44.980 for a month and then either we're gonna be monogamous till the day we die or like hate each

02:39:49.240 other and break up kind of thing doesn't really work for a lot of people and it should be kind of

02:39:53.800 more normal to be able to just like hey we deal with each other and dating doesn't have to be the

02:39:57.840 most natural instant conclusion and not in some people to give to a third person or another then

02:40:03.520 that's you and your partner and if not then that's literally and some people would never want like

02:40:09.100 some people think they could never be monogamous because some people would be like yeah i don't

02:40:12.180 want to get married but i could just never imagine having sex with one person the rest of my life some

02:40:15.300 people can imagine that and some people can't so it's just kind of like i feel like a personal

02:40:19.340 preference thing like for me i think because i'm just a super sexually fluid person that if

02:40:24.300 i was what does it mean to be sexually fluid like i just i don't know like i don't have like

02:40:28.460 love to give i don't have like one specific like this is my like my kink like i just like trying

02:40:34.220 everything okay and so like i feel like for me like the person for me who would be most likely

02:40:40.840 would probably be someone like we wouldn't be constantly dealing with other people but maybe

02:40:45.420 go to a swingers club once in a while or you know invite someone to the relationship once in a while

02:40:49.600 like when i was in that bubble it was so natural like it wasn't something we went out and forced

02:40:54.140 it was that it the other boyfriend so naturally played into our situation it was like why wouldn't

02:40:59.380 we do this i never even thought i was someone who'd like that it just kind of came out that way

02:41:03.100 sure and then you also said every everybody is by every girl girls f'd a dude who f's dudes oh yeah

02:41:11.520 i said because girls will talk about i could never get with a guy who's fucked a guy but you probably

02:41:14.620 have and just don't know it literally because a lot of these men are by the same way women are but then

02:41:18.620 it's like i don't know about that yeah a lot of men are dl and then a lot of men and a lot of

02:41:23.840 straight men think no i can't imagine attracted to cucks so like obviously the guys who are cucks

02:41:28.560 they're probably more likely to be but the thing is when you find out one man's by you find out the

02:41:32.900 network of dl men and then it surprises you because when you find one of them that's just the other

02:41:37.260 and then you find all the other ones it'd be the most masculine and then knowing sex workers and

02:41:41.820 the most masculine men are are they're projecting a lot of the time they say dl i think that's

02:41:47.880 download download gay yeah okay like all right um the most i don't know about that i don't know

02:41:56.720 about that literally the guys with a bunch of face tattoos are bending over there literally yeah a lot

02:42:03.260 of them not every single one but it happens a lot but isn't it just the case that those are the

02:42:08.080 circles that you move in like no it's also that like okay like for me like i i'm friends with a

02:42:13.640 lot of variety of sex work okay and like i have one friend um like you hear certain stories and it's

02:42:19.080 just like it's not really surprising like these girls who like a lot of their job is a lot of times

02:42:23.680 when men have fetishes or kinks or sexual preferences they can't tell their friends or girls they deal

02:42:28.380 with they're gonna tell a sex worker whether it's a girl and only fans a stripper in a club or an ice

02:42:32.080 sport that's who they're gonna open up to and so being friends with a lot of those girls you hear

02:42:36.000 crazy things they you know they just want to get pegged or they want to um they want a girl to

02:42:41.120 make them suck dick that's another thing that's common in fandom because they don't want to feel

02:42:43.720 like they're gay they want a girl to make them suck dick so they can feel like they're still like

02:42:48.320 they're forced to almost yeah like it's like it's still gay but you know what i'm saying like there's

02:42:53.440 all these kind of interesting weird fetishes or i feel like a lot of the time um i feel like

02:42:58.160 obviously all trans women experience like it's all types and passing not passing can experience

02:43:03.100 violence but i feel like like we're talking about megan fox with dick i feel like that type of

02:43:07.500 thing incites a different level of anger in men because they didn't know and they were initially

02:43:11.980 attracted you know it's a deception no and then but sometimes they're still attracted and that's

02:43:17.260 what i'm saying if if no man likes it or it's so few and far in between why do these women make so

02:43:22.540 much money because why is why there's millions don't buy porn men buy porn same thing with like

02:43:28.620 gay porn like the numbers aren't matching in gay porn views and gay men really i don't know i don't

02:43:33.980 really care to speculate on why it is if i don't know if it's even true but i it's not really uh

02:43:39.500 something that's where okay salem do you you said you consider i i don't want to misquote you did

02:43:45.420 you say you consider yourself traditional uh bro you got to talk into the mic please in what way

02:43:52.700 um relationships oh relationships can you please scoot the mic closer to you

02:43:59.820 relationships well did you in your pre-show notes to us did you can say that you consider yourself

02:44:04.300 traditional yeah but now that i'm thinking about it in what way did you mean really like traditional

02:44:08.860 and relationships it's not a way in which i mean i think you wrote politics i think you wrote a note to

02:44:14.220 us in your pre-show notes and you said i could i'm not sure if i'm right here do you consider yourself

02:44:18.620 traditional here let me i'll pull up the in well uh in what way though okay because i don't i don't

02:44:29.020 remember that i don't remember like what question it was or what i said your parents are fundamentalist

02:44:35.180 muslims oh you you you described yourself as liberal slash traditional in response to my question of do you

02:44:42.060 consider yourself do you consider yourself liberal moderate conservative apolitical and do you

02:44:47.020 consider yourself feminist or traditional and you said you consider yourself traditional okay i i guess i

02:44:52.860 would i i kind of take that back the traditional thing yeah being in a feminine role like no i guess i was

02:45:01.900 just talking about in like cultural views that you think it meant you paid everything like yeah like

02:45:10.860 that exactly like that's what i meant by traditional but honestly like my my views on everything are just

02:45:17.740 so all over the place i honestly don't like to label things so i i wouldn't really like say i was

02:45:25.580 traditional because someone someone could take that you said you had a crazy sugar baby story oh

02:45:33.980 uh i have a lot to be honest like there i've been a baby for a really long time but how many uh okay

02:45:39.820 i'll ask some clarifying questions uh how many sugar daddies have you had total you can give a range

02:45:45.660 probably like 30 oh wow damn wow sorry sorry how many like 30 30 total okay yeah and uh

02:45:59.100 and i also i also am including like pay pigs pay pigs what just for the people watching who don't know

02:46:06.460 what that is what's a pay pig a pay pig is basically someone that um

02:46:15.740 like a pay pig is basically someone that kind of like uh gives you like let's say like my pay pig

02:46:22.860 he'll be like i i don't want you to like i don't want to just send you the money you have to request it

02:46:28.540 from like i want you to drain my bank account type thing like a pay pig is someone that submits to you

02:46:34.220 in a tough in a way so how many of the 30 plus would you say were pay pigs half of them uh half of

02:46:40.220 them yeah okay so a pay pig is just somebody who sends you money without you having to do anything

02:46:46.860 whereas a sugar sugar daddy he has some expectations maybe you have to send him photos or talk with him

02:46:52.380 yeah and most of my sugar daddies are like just regular relationships how many how many do you

02:46:57.020 currently have uh um right well right now i have about like five but one only five sugar daddies or

02:47:06.300 four pay pigs and one sugar daddy okay i see do they know that you have other and not i don't think

02:47:13.180 that really yes they they know and so okay you have i'm curious so um when you say that you drain their

02:47:22.140 money uh what what's the transaction that's so basically they just send you like 100 bucks

02:47:29.180 no so i'll be talking to them and then they will want me to send like you know on cash up how you

02:47:33.900 can request yeah they don't want to just send me an amount they want me to like request so they can

02:47:38.940 like see me like taking it from them because it's not like me taking them right in person so they want

02:47:44.220 that like getting off on me taking it because they get off on that i see so okay then it's like

02:47:50.540 demanding yeah being a brat you know because i've had one pay pig in person and he would like bow down

02:47:56.140 and like you know show up to my house and just like knock on the door put the money there and then

02:48:01.340 leave and so what's the average such a plague yeah it's it's bad um what's like the average payment

02:48:12.540 that you would receive from a pay pig i'm going to plead the fifth on that one no it's interesting

02:48:20.620 you should share uh i mean okay at once or in total uh both would be good okay so like i mean at in

02:48:30.060 total honestly i can't even a lot of them have like could finance my whole life like i wouldn't have to

02:48:38.860 you know do anything do you uh like do you want to give try to give a range you said you said total

02:48:45.340 and then like at individual payments okay so like an individual payment sometimes they'll wire like

02:48:52.380 10 000 sometimes they'll like it really depends it really depends good for you oh my god holy

02:49:01.260 fuck uh an individual payment so i am also a mistress like in training so like i do a lot

02:49:07.020 what is a mistress in training uh like you fuck married men no whoa isn't that what a mistress is

02:49:13.020 no well there's it's very different it's like dominatrix oh okay but so okay 10 000 is 10 000 the

02:49:19.420 most individual payment that you've ever received you've received higher than 10 what's the highest um

02:49:25.740 um honestly i can't remember it's more than 50 it's so like years apart six figures ever six

02:49:33.260 figures no no not at once 50 000 no probably like 30 000 wait do you speak arabic yeah the some of

02:49:41.820 these larger payments do they i plead the fifth you're gonna get her in trouble please no do they

02:49:49.660 come from wait can we play warranty warranty no no no no okay whatever happens out of the country

02:49:58.060 yeah she really can't i really can't no no no she can't no you're from canada first off you don't

02:50:03.660 you don't know about the iraq first of all i know a lot more about geopolitics than you do

02:50:06.540 so i am being very serious that's not what i'm saying that's not what i'm saying literally like

02:50:12.540 if you like need to be safe you should definitely not yeah no i i know she's safe she's she's

02:50:16.380 safe um right here okay so right now i got you in this country yeah okay um so uh so you answered

02:50:23.180 individually what about like uh total that somebody's well also a lot of it comes in like

02:50:28.860 things like they'll buy me like chanel bags how much is a chanel bag i don't five five to ten

02:50:34.460 like a base bag that was like what how much dude yeah hundreds of thousands sometimes i'd say like a

02:50:43.580 what a main birkin like a base base would be like 50 like i have two birkins that were like

02:50:48.380 two birkins 10 000 and i have a big guys guys i think you've seen it that one was also a gift and

02:50:55.180 it was okay so you receive gifts that have a high high value sometimes like i'd rather receive so let's

02:51:02.460 talk total payments though why don't you give us your top top five i don't know i don't know i can't

02:51:08.860 it's been like you can honestly sometimes i won't even look like i'll it just goes in my bank do you

02:51:14.460 think any let me ask you this do you think i don't even know how much money is in my bank account

02:51:19.260 do you think any or do you know if any given man has sent you more than a hundred thousand dollars

02:51:25.020 total oh yeah oh yeah okay yeah um multiple multiple how many of the 30 total that you've had

02:51:32.940 would you say have sent you more than a hundred thousand dollars not too many probably only like

02:51:39.260 seven do you have a name for them oh is that all are they yeah so wait that would that would be

02:51:45.900 that would be over seven hundred thousand dollars um wow good hey good for you um has

02:51:53.980 anybody in the seven figure total range has anybody sent you over a million whoo okay um

02:51:59.180 that would be crazy what do you call these like the the guys who spend big money would you call

02:52:03.180 them whales is there a term for them yes they're called whales they're my whales okay um pay pigs

02:52:10.140 whales yeah damn can i ask you a question ask do you plan on doing the pay pig stuff after like

02:52:17.100 once you quit okay that's what i i think forever yeah they're my friends so but legally can you do that

02:52:23.500 when you're yeah over there all right i'm not oh my god so i'm not saying i'm doing this

02:52:29.980 but obviously when you're in a rich country it's it's not even like sex it's not sex work because

02:52:37.900 we're not having sex right it's a guy takes you out gives you money buys you nice shopping life on

02:52:45.420 easy yeah so it's just that's how it is and obviously how old are you you're 20 yeah and you've

02:52:50.460 made just not counting your only fans not not counting any other ventures but it sounds like

02:52:55.580 you've made over a million dollars from pay pigs and sugar daddies yes is that would you say what's

02:53:03.580 the i know uh and you say that's right huh you're a lot of it i spent here the sure well it comes quick

02:53:11.180 it goes quick yeah and the the total that you've made is over seven figures over a million from like

02:53:19.100 from from the sugar daddies and pay things at 20 years old yeah that's i mean is it any because

02:53:26.540 earlier you said the guys aren't financially matching you you're 20 years old so like if

02:53:32.540 you're dating a 21 year old guy there are no 21 year old men that that are earning yes there are

02:53:40.460 there's actually i know many many many men sure maybe in america there's not much but

02:53:45.500 i'm like i'm not it usually takes men a little longer to come into making that kind of that kind

02:53:52.140 of money but i disagree you disagree one in seven americans are a millionaire and that's their entire

02:53:57.580 net worth with the house and everything there's majority of people i also think in our generation

02:54:02.460 nowadays it's easier to get hold on no no hold on hold on what the stats like so if you read you said

02:54:07.980 one in seven people are millionaires in the u.s but that's like your entire net worth so that's your house

02:54:12.940 that's everything you gotta take the retired most people retire with like one million dollars

02:54:17.820 well i don't care what 60 and 50 year olds are making in the context of this conversation she's

02:54:22.300 not romantically i assume you're not romantically pursuing there's thousands of millions of 20

02:54:27.820 year can we try like can we please try like if you're going to make a comment like that it is

02:54:32.620 somehow tangent like it is somehow related like it makes sense to be brought up okay um i'm announcing

02:54:41.820 my entrance into the pay pig market um if anybody wants to send me some cash for free same here

02:54:48.620 okay so um that's bro didn't mr beast buy like 500 000 wells in africa yeah 500k i just want to

02:54:58.460 say uh i actually don't totally blame the women i blame the men for engaging in this kind of

02:55:06.540 thank you frankly pathetic behavior where you are just sending these women they're getting off on

02:55:12.460 this actually they get off on the they get off on being shamed so you know i get it they want me to

02:55:18.140 degrade them sort of oh you degrade them too yeah they want me to call them fucking disgusting they

02:55:22.700 want me to tell them i have this is a mental illness process

02:55:25.340 making somebody willing to transfer her another 100k they're like yes shame me yeah literally come

02:55:32.540 here like i will gladly yo get in the chat tell your men get in the chat i'll shame them

02:55:38.860 i will shame you guys like to be degraded i think i've literally bankrupt some and i don't even want

02:55:44.060 sometimes i'm like yo like do you say no okay let's slow down and they're like no like take every

02:55:48.540 last dollar yes why if you're because if you're that's not my problem if i was like if i was like

02:55:58.220 selling alcohol it's gonna be somebody else so you're still ethically responsible for it who what

02:56:03.820 if i'm literally just sitting there and they're like please take my money please and like as a

02:56:08.540 streamer i've had manic people try to drop me like a hundred like lots and lots of money i've

02:56:13.660 explicitly why am i to blame hold on i've explicitly told them no because i like care enough about

02:56:19.020 society to like not take advantage of people when they're like in like mental health dire straits

02:56:23.820 like if they're there's no way between mental illness and a fetish though okay but if your

02:56:27.980 fetish is so bad that you were taking out second mortgages and destroying your life it is now also a

02:56:32.700 mental illness some of these men like they want girls to make them take loans out and stuff like

02:56:36.060 that and then literally like ruin their credit so if it's becoming dysfunctional that will

02:56:40.940 literally not take out their money before you like they'll give you their check and you take

02:56:47.180 how much money i know i know i know guys that are into fin dom okay and i'm not saying that's it is

02:56:52.460 cool obviously and i literally like but you're taking the money that i literally care about so much

02:56:58.060 but you're i i get that have you ever pushed them into therapy you're the girl selling them crack and

02:57:02.700 you like see their teeth falling out and you're like here's some more crack i guess if you want like

02:57:06.620 it's actually i totally see that point but also her point was like they're gonna go do it to

02:57:10.700 someone else literally then you're not gonna save them for killing the addict i can't be like i'm

02:57:15.580 sorry like you know like what am i supposed to say i'm not your therapist it's not but have you ever

02:57:19.500 pushed them into therapy have you ever been like hey like this is kind of so hard i've stopped it

02:57:24.300 i've stopped it at some point like there has been a lot of points where i'm like yo like this is

02:57:27.660 getting a little too much like i think but you said you still would take it at the end of the day

02:57:33.980 like what you're like 20 like you know what i mean yeah have you heard of

02:57:36.940 like have you heard of mullet's like game so it's this idea that like if we keep all doing

02:57:42.540 bad things to like out compete each other but why am i the one because you're the person selling

02:57:47.900 the crack addict crack when their teeth but that's like someone saying okay watching porn and if you

02:57:52.300 keep putting out porn then you're if someone has like a like a porn addiction and you keep putting

02:57:58.060 out porn then you're literally like selling the crack how is that this like yeah thank you because

02:58:02.060 there's a difference between selling and providing porn that is ubiquitously available versus taking

02:58:06.540 your opinion but this is my opinion it's not my opinion i'm outlining like a serious ethical

02:58:11.740 problem here right this is like i'm all for only fans i don't really care i like i love the liberal

02:58:17.420 society and i love that it makes women stay safe but my biggest bone with that's a funny joke as well

02:58:24.380 uh with only fans is like when thank you uh when women are willing to engage in actively unhealthy

02:58:32.780 behavior it's like unethical behavior and i've talked with only fans models who've been like

02:58:37.100 absolutely when girls are like lying actively when they're willing to just take men for everything

02:58:41.580 i'm not saying you're lying actively but there's women who will lie about girlfriend experience for

02:58:45.420 example and they'll keep saying i'll meet up with you someday which is never true

02:58:49.260 wrong i find that very so i i'm glad that we agree with that but i mean most people do but wait

02:58:53.660 aren't you lying actively no so i like no i will never no but they get off on the degrading

02:59:01.820 dude that's latterly a mental illness i don't care if it's pouring outside but 304's well would stay dry

02:59:11.580 what i think it's okay thank you uh saint reese um in any case you've made over

02:59:19.100 seven figures at the age of 20 via sugar daddies and pay pigs uh yeah but congratulations on the

02:59:28.140 money that's but life on easy mode holy i wish i was still making that much from them but uh you

02:59:33.660 were supposed to be an actual fuking human and be compassionate but instead you're going out of

02:59:38.940 your way the most toxic person you can possibly be at blank is toxic to society may god have mercy

02:59:46.060 what geez he's kind of like backing up what i was saying and just to be clear i don't think all

02:59:51.420 women who do fin dom are bad i don't think doing pay pig like people weird kinks and fetishes i don't

02:59:56.300 really care my problem is when you know that somebody is actively doing great harm to themselves and you

03:00:02.700 continue to enable that behavior that's the line i think that is true i think that is true i think if

03:00:08.540 you know someone is literally about to go broke and is literally like giving you like literally they're

03:00:14.220 about to lose their mortgage whatever the book but 99 of the time that is not the case no but you

03:00:19.980 said wait wait wait there was one case there was one i thought it was more than one true no i said

03:00:24.780 there was one case you bankrupted one man yes one guy knowingly wait did you knowingly did you knowingly

03:00:31.980 bankrupt him no no so basically not knowingly so i bankrupted him right and then no but you said you

03:00:37.500 said he he was he told you as part of his fetish or no yes to say he was like i'm about my money

03:00:43.420 take all my money so do you think he was just like no no no no stop stop stop

03:00:47.900 no no no dude calm down go it's not that serious okay no i'm not upset at you but she's

03:00:54.780 fucking interrupting me while i'm trying to arrive yeah i understand okay this one i'm gonna say this

03:01:00.300 good job i'm gonna say this one more time okay the one time that this happened a lot of the pay pigs

03:01:06.540 will say a lot of similar phrases such as take all my money i want you to you know take this money for

03:01:12.460 me please request like whatever like take take me master whatever right so a lot of times it they use

03:01:20.140 the same phrases you know you don't really like you're not really talking about what's the limit

03:01:26.540 what it would blah blah blah correct so do you like want to stay ignorant time where there was

03:01:32.460 this guy and he was like please take all my money blah blah blah and i was like you know like how much

03:01:37.980 should i request and he was like just request a number blah blah blah okay boom i'll request and

03:01:42.380 he'll be like take you know request again request again blah blah until the next day and then he'll be

03:01:47.420 like you know i i can't give you any more like i i don't have any more and i was like okay why did you

03:01:56.140 like you know i didn't know if he had told me like you know did you i don't have that much money

03:02:03.740 what did you give it back no well if if you were like can i have my money back i don't have any like

03:02:09.740 money like literally i'm bankrupt but he also said if not me somebody else like it's obvious that like

03:02:14.540 they're willing to and obviously from that point forward i have not done that anymore like i will never

03:02:19.340 take that much money there's like a limit i take from pay pigs like i will not you know because

03:02:23.980 there don't there is a limit yeah what's the limit the limit is like five to ten thousand

03:02:30.140 depending on who the pay pig is so depending on but i stop the cap oh i'm no okay but so yeah no

03:02:37.980 but that was and that was like in the like literally the beginning of when i like first ever

03:02:44.700 like found out what pay pigs were and i was clearly not making as much money and i you know

03:02:49.660 but i'm not saying it's correct yes i did and i'm not saying you know i'm proud of it but it happened

03:02:55.820 and i'm not gonna sit here and like you know be like oh yeah i should have like whatever it should

03:03:00.220 have happened but it didn't happen and i'm not about to like you know like go back on so you knowingly

03:03:04.940 bankrupted him i didn't okay of course you you i mean he told you take it how you he told you you

03:03:11.420 didn't give the money back no i didn't so you knowingly bankrupted the guy uh sure

03:03:18.380 i've totally even forgot what we were going around on this we were talking about sugar daddies

03:03:24.060 sugar mommies um do you you have any sugar daddies yeah i've had sugar daddies now they're hesitant to

03:03:32.380 answer these okay have you bankrupted any of them um no but um what was i gonna say how many

03:03:38.860 like i've had situations where i feel like what you're into i've had like reservations to do

03:03:43.660 certain things and then felt less bad because of little comments that kind of make me feel like

03:03:49.580 they have certain kinks i have a moral judgment again like they'll ask to see pictures of you

03:03:53.820 while you're younger or ask you questions about when you were um we talked about this yeah did you

03:03:57.900 like certain things did you have this fetish since you were a young age and certain things now i have

03:04:02.220 no remorse for anything about this the guy that i bankrupted you know what he was getting from me

03:04:07.420 pictures of me in high school pictures of me when i was 13 well why would you send those jesus wait

03:04:14.380 not only not only wait not only not only did you pause can i can i finish let me i just i i told you

03:04:23.580 this was in the time when i was literally broke okay i i don't care like what okay i literally don't

03:04:32.780 give a fuck anyway i'm saying this was at a time when i did not understand what like how this was

03:04:39.340 done i didn't understand i was literally i just needed the money and it just so happened to be an

03:04:45.100 easy way because i was literally just sending selfies of myself and he thought i was in high school and i

03:04:50.940 made him like a lot of pictures were like of me when i was like 17 18 okay um but so not only did you

03:04:57.740 engage him in his his desire to be financially dominated you also engaged him in his uh i'm not

03:05:06.620 going to use the word but he were hold on it's obviously not the p word that's always about

03:05:12.940 prepubescent i hate when people use this word from high school kids that's not the same

03:05:16.780 shit so it's bad minor attraction a febophile whatever whatever yeah whatever uh here grid

03:05:23.180 one motorsports donated 200 lads this is why right here lying twisted pathetic excuses for a human that

03:05:32.940 should be avoided at all cost the number of red flags here can be seen from space stay far away do not

03:05:40.780 approach okay uh there you have it grid one motorsports there you have it that guy grid one

03:05:49.260 motorsports absolutely correct how 100 correct that that that's crazy to me wait did it make you feel

03:05:55.500 less bad knowing that he was like trying to solicit from a minor yeah so you felt like you know since he

03:06:01.420 was attracted to minors he was like i thought it was weird as shit yeah let's not okay good job pixie

03:06:09.580 good job sorry uh nickelodeon many women don't find a man attractive or interesting unless he's

03:06:15.420 already taken case in point knowledge cheating then they have the nerve to ask themselves why they

03:06:19.980 can't find good men i've never seen a man who've hurt you yeah okay i never asked why i couldn't find

03:06:25.660 a good man and like i said i'm not even looking so all right we have puffy vagod vagus i think to the

03:06:33.740 27 year old it doesn't matter if a guy pays 100 50 zero of the bills i've never known a faithful woman

03:06:39.260 and i've known thousands p.s i have a 300 plus natural born female body count of mostly hot girls

03:06:45.900 okay nice good flex so you're just like you paid for them all good talk good talk okay um going

03:06:55.260 around the table on this so um i'm just curious on the numbers and i'll try to move through it quickly

03:06:59.500 how many um how many pay pigs or sugar daddies have you had uh maybe like five five total okay

03:07:06.860 um what's the most in any one transaction that you've received um like 6k 6k okay and total

03:07:16.060 i have no idea more more than six figures total like since i've been doing it from all sugar daddies

03:07:25.020 and uh pay pigs i guess yeah more than six figures seven figures no okay life on easy mode okay just

03:07:33.420 running that in my notes what about you um i'm actually not super i don't profit from my only

03:07:39.580 fantasy well have you had sugar daddies i have one kind of one kind of what do you mean so like

03:07:45.980 he's also in the military so they don't really make all that much money but like he'll like if i tell

03:07:51.020 him i'll post on my story like who wants to pay for my haircut and he'll just send me or this happened

03:07:57.340 this particular occasion happened once um i posted who wants to pay for my haircut and he sent me 100

03:08:02.380 bucks didn't even ask me how much it was you know um and then he texted me one time he was like how

03:08:07.820 much does it take to get your lashes done i said 30 bucks a week i love you if you're watching

03:08:19.660 that's so pathetic okay not for you just that's so sad um i think we call that a simp okay uh oh we

03:08:27.500 have derek the trader here then we'll get to nala they're all simps like sure all these people simps

03:08:31.740 only fans will only get larger i work in finance in 2022 payment to content creators was a staggering

03:08:36.860 5.6 billion that number is expected to rise significantly in the next five years okay

03:08:43.500 uh failed society all right what about you nala i've never had a sugar daddy i've always been

03:08:49.100 really scared of that i'm scared to talk to someone in that way because i feel like i might get a stalker

03:08:56.540 i'm actually genuinely scared yeah it's the fetishes that kind of scare me because it drives so hard

03:09:03.580 and so i'm like you know only fans is like safe for me because it's one online and i don't feel

03:09:08.940 like they're sugar daddies they're not giving me gifts they don't have my phone number they can't

03:09:12.700 get in touch with me any other way besides for only fans but like i said it just scared me gotcha and

03:09:18.380 then going back to the original thing that we were talking about i think i was going around on uh are you

03:09:23.340 actually single i think i got did i did we yeah and that's what led into the um alexa you're you

03:09:32.780 were previously on the show and in your pre-show notes to us that we kind of discussed in the

03:09:36.220 previous show um you said you've you have quite a few unique dating stories you a lot uh two out of

03:09:42.140 your three past serious relationships came from tinder you also did a challenge where you went on 50

03:09:49.580 first dates with 50 different men in 50 days um then you that's how you started meeting some of

03:09:55.340 your relationships um are you still doing that no i'm so single i haven't been on a date since i've

03:10:02.380 become single in the past several months really i've never yes i've never had a sure daddy oh okay i

03:10:08.780 would like to say like lord knows i hear your guys's stories i i was raised by a single mom i had to pay

03:10:16.300 for everything growing up i worked 109 hours during the pandemic i worked three jobs i paid my student

03:10:21.660 loans like i'm not gonna lie it's slightly infuriating to hear how easy it is for you guys

03:10:28.140 and i'm not even mad but like part of me is just like yo dude like there's a lot of people out there

03:10:34.460 that are struggling and they push and push and i'm like damn you don't have to feel bad all you have

03:10:40.780 to do is eliminate all of your virtues in any sense that you have of shame and then

03:10:46.380 this guy i mean everyone has the same lines but like i have only one situation i remember where i

03:10:52.060 turned down i said i think i can think of one situation that was too um immoral for me and i

03:10:58.700 turned down yeah okay oh you turned it down though yeah like i feel like i actually want to hear what

03:11:03.900 was too much yeah i'm curious i can't like name names but like it was an artist like i wrote that's

03:11:10.060 pretty famous and i'm uh listened to and so i thought it was going to be a positive situation

03:11:14.620 and very quickly into that interaction it started going into he started showing me videos of the

03:11:20.700 girls he he told me he would want me to take control of his bank account when he released his

03:11:24.060 next album like i could take all the money and take control of everything he was calling me daddy this

03:11:27.660 entire time but he wanted me to pimp him out when he told me he wanted me to pimp him out i was kind

03:11:31.900 of saying like i feel like you're in the industry and you would know people could give more money

03:11:35.420 he said he would rather sell himself for cheap he was um and i there was like a video of um the

03:11:43.580 videos you were showing me i don't feel like i feel like everything all the king salad lists are probably

03:11:47.340 like tos violations like basically like everything that's like a different level of like you know

03:11:53.020 donated 200 the owner of have paid himself 1.3 million a day last year and still owns the

03:11:59.980 billion dollar company you are all his hookers regardless of how empowered you feel you are not

03:12:05.820 special oh wow okay there you know you can actually sell like cooking shows on only fans yeah but most of

03:12:12.140 i mean isn't it your pimp no obviously not like that who are we having sex with on only platforms

03:12:25.500 are not pimps because like there's a there's a very specific relationship obviously otherwise like any

03:12:30.300 titty streamer would then be like pimped by twitch like no obviously not they're not pimps we could talk

03:12:36.300 about like the ethics of only fans that's another conversation just to bring it back just to bring

03:12:41.900 it back to alexa here really quick um so you did the whole so what was the if you can explain really

03:12:47.980 quick the whole like 50 dates and 50 days with 50 different guys and if you can tell us like the

03:12:52.860 breakdown because there were breaks in that where you actually ended up getting into relationships so

03:12:57.660 can you explain the whole 50 dates 50 days 50 different guys thing yeah so i didn't start dating

03:13:03.660 until i was like 18 19 and it's just i haven't i didn't meet someone that i thought was virtuous of

03:13:09.340 any of my time basically and i was busy so i said okay let's let's enter the dating market let's see

03:13:14.860 how this goes and i said i don't want to be so picky because i know on dating apps it's so easy to just

03:13:21.260 do a quick swipe and judge someone so fast so i said okay let's push myself let's do and i'm an extremist

03:13:27.820 in the sense of like i was like well let's let's try to meet as many people as we can and see if we

03:13:32.380 click with anyone so i was like i'm gonna go on 50 dates in 50 days with 50 different guys

03:13:36.300 so i met my first serious relationship he was date 14. i went on a date every single day one day i went

03:13:43.660 on two dates and i was just going through the motions and it it was good in the sense of like you go on a

03:13:48.700 bad date and you don't have time to think about it because you're like on to the next and then i met

03:13:53.180 my first serious relationship and we were together for three and a half years that was my longest

03:13:57.340 relationship um you met him online i met him on tinder yeah and he was someone that i naturally

03:14:02.700 like just quick swiping i probably wouldn't have swiped on him to be completely honest but because

03:14:07.900 i had to fill the calendar i was like he was he had good banter he someone looks wise good looking guy

03:14:15.980 but just not my typical type and we we clicked in when i met him i said i i really like this guy i could

03:14:22.140 see myself potentially marrying this guy and so i canceled all the dates that i had after him because i was like i

03:14:27.100 really want to see if this could go somewhere and then three and a half years later um he ended

03:14:32.940 up cheating on me and not being the best guy he was great in the beginning not great in the end

03:14:36.380 that's totally fine blessing and a lesson that's fine um and then once i broke up with him i was like

03:14:42.060 oh might as well keep it going and then i went on nine dates and then i met my second serious

03:14:48.140 relationship and we were together for about a year and the joke i make is he got deported but he's from

03:14:54.060 norway so it's not typical typical deportation um not the deportation that everyone might think

03:15:01.180 about yes exactly um and then he was sent away and then you resumed the i resumed wait did you do any

03:15:09.020 did you do multiple dates in a day i did one one day i had i was invited yeah and it was it was one of

03:15:17.660 those things like it was not was it like exciting or did you feel bored with it um it was more work

03:15:23.500 than anything because it's but again it was like i wouldn't go on dates with people i didn't see a

03:15:27.980 possible future with but it was also like okay let's i have to like their profile they have to say

03:15:32.620 something nice and like i don't i'm not a hookup girl that's just not yeah for some people that's

03:15:36.700 their thing that's not me and when i went on these dates it's like once you've it's almost a thing of

03:15:43.020 like when you meet someone you actually do click you're like oh wait wow you're a really great guy

03:15:47.740 i really want to see where this can go and i want to put my all my energy into you was there one

03:15:52.220 particular date that you felt like was like good or bad really bad oh so many oh gosh no there was one

03:16:00.940 one guy he he truly was a misogynist like i hate throwing that word around but he

03:16:07.260 just kept talking about how like women don't respect him enough and how all of them should be bowing to his

03:16:12.860 feet and he was saying like he was explaining to the dates he went on earlier in the week and he's

03:16:16.940 like no one was like pretty enough but i guess you're up to my standards he says he guess he goes

03:16:21.500 i approve of what you're wearing oh and i was like oh okay we love that also a guy like one time was

03:16:26.620 like whoa but it why is it misogynistic for a man to not approve of what a woman is wearing but women

03:16:33.580 are very critical of men's fashion like women can i finish about how men like have no style and they

03:16:41.340 don't dress well but you guys are judging like our bodies and like so do you guys i feel like alexa's

03:16:47.180 been like nothing but nuanced and so i suspect if she's willing to say like he's misogynistic

03:16:52.060 there's probably something more than just like he told yeah this is a great part he goes

03:16:56.780 well i'm here most girls are here you're kind of like here

03:17:01.900 and i was just like and there will not be another woman should bow at my feet is probably

03:17:07.420 pretty questionable too you know it was an issue and the funny part was he went in for a kiss on the

03:17:13.420 first date and i went oh no yeah oh no granted he sounds kind of egotistical and a bit full of

03:17:21.100 himself but he was prideful uh okay so the and did you mention so there was the second guy and then

03:17:27.580 how many dates did you did you i did finish 50 no so it was 14 then nine and then 12 and then and then

03:17:36.380 i quit for a while and honestly like i truly really like i i think singleness is good for both men and

03:17:43.020 women and and getting to know yourself and do doing that and focus on focusing on who you are and growing

03:17:47.900 into being the partner that you want to be is a big thing and so that's literally like how am i

03:17:54.860 supposed to explain myself to you if i don't know myself yeah also everyone has to deal with their

03:17:59.340 right reasons so you don't like if you can't be alone first yeah i think the biggest issue is a lot

03:18:03.500 of people go into relationships expecting that person to fix them or to yeah fulfill them and you

03:18:08.620 have to keep them busy i feel like interesting people yeah like i'm bored you're lonely or bored yeah

03:18:14.380 like i do so many things alone like oh yeah i travel alone all the time all the time so to address

03:18:19.580 your whole 50 dates 50 men and we kind of we won't linger on it too long because we kind of talked

03:18:24.300 about last show i think you know my thoughts on it if i were if i were to go on a date with a girl

03:18:29.820 and she told she were to disclose to me that she was doing this and that she had seven dates planned

03:18:35.980 ahead of me uh i would end the date right there and be like enjoy the rest of your dates because

03:18:43.900 that's right but she did say she did say that when she found that guy she was like okay i canceled the

03:18:51.100 rest of the dates yeah right but how do you feel about that look it's great that she it sounds like

03:18:55.900 it at the end of the day it worked for her granted the three men she did find it didn't end up working

03:19:01.820 but i would say that there there is a decent cohort of men when if if they find out that you have a date

03:19:10.300 planned for after them or you have a date you have seven dates lined up that's immediately like i'm

03:19:18.460 thinking yeah goodbye can i ask you a question sure um do you feel the same like andrew tate gives

03:19:25.740 this advice as like a dating strap for men to like intentionally try to line up a couple of girls

03:19:30.460 typically on the same night he like because he's like all about maximum efficiency do you feel do

03:19:35.180 you have like the same feeling of like that's really not okay like if you're dating for intention why

03:19:38.540 you're like lining up people it's not so much whether it's okay or not it's more so um if your

03:19:46.140 name was brianna would that be like a big no for you if you went on a date with andrew and he had like

03:19:50.220 somebody booked after you it's not so much whether it's okay or not i mean if some guys might go on a

03:19:55.420 date with her and not they might be dating going on multiple dates themselves they might not object

03:20:00.940 to it but i mean but in your specific in your specific example i think if if women would object

03:20:08.620 to dating a man who has a date right after them or lined up dates i have no issue with women having

03:20:14.540 the standard of if you're seeing that many men then i wouldn't want to pursue i wouldn't want to pursue

03:20:18.700 you it's not worth my time you seem like you're just kind of playing the field whatever it is

03:20:22.780 um but isn't there kind of a difference though so in the the case of a man if he's going out on 50

03:20:29.500 different dates with 50 different women that actually seems like it might be a pretty good

03:20:35.020 strategy to try to find a woman whereas women the standard is upheld differently maybe it should be

03:20:41.500 because you kind of think well maybe she's easier maybe she's you know kind of this type of thing

03:20:47.100 whereas when it comes to men i don't think that that even gives that appearance necessarily because

03:20:52.620 men aren't thinking well men aren't the gatekeepers of sex women are but i mean i certain men get

03:20:58.060 like i'm sure we've all because like guys talk about how like men have to earn to be able to have

03:21:02.300 sex but then it's like every girl has a story or has friends with a story of dating a broke loser

03:21:07.260 so it's kind of like if a man has a certain amount of confidence he can be the gatekeeper of sex

03:21:11.260 like no no they really they really can't be so most most single men if it's like um available to

03:21:22.700 them yeah we'll take it that's what i said i there's this thing where i heard and it was a woman will

03:21:29.100 fuck who she wants right and a man will yeah sure the issue is like they keep talking about women

03:21:35.660 sleeping with unvirtuous men and so it's like i don't care if you're a guy who can get on one date or

03:21:40.300 50 wouldn't a virtuous man if we're like caring about this even if he has the capacity to get 50

03:21:45.580 dates wouldn't he still elect to just go for one because good men should also be vetting the women

03:21:50.780 well i'm not sure about maybe in the same day but what's the lack of virtue here if they're just

03:21:55.500 going on men have sexual discipline i would agree but i would say that it's the same for the woman

03:21:59.260 i don't think it's obvious to me especially if she's not sleeping with them right she's just going

03:22:03.180 on a first day i don't know how that's unless she's like only going on dates to get like free

03:22:07.100 food or something yeah which i think some girls which they do i would also like to clarify i did

03:22:10.460 not get free food one guy made me pay for half of his meal and i didn't even eat i was so mad

03:22:17.740 i mean he went dutch and i've had to pay for his meal the issue is like what what's unethical here

03:22:22.620 isn't the women going on multiple dates it's her like um doing sleazy shit around it you know um

03:22:28.380 trying to get free food from him so it's it's a lie right she's lying to him she's saying i'm interested

03:22:32.380 in going on a date she's actually just trying to like basically get some of his money and get

03:22:35.500 a free meal which is bad right lying is bad i don't assume i don't think either one is like

03:22:40.460 unethical but i could understand the discomfort with it personally because it's like oh if i'm going

03:22:45.260 on a date i just want to like enjoy my time with that person and i feel like if the person's telling

03:22:49.580 me like i have seven or nine dates lined up now that puts a weird pressure on me that makes me just

03:22:54.380 want to retract and be like you know what like have fun on you're doing swell yeah but like don't

03:22:59.500 mention that on this yeah like it's just a lot of pressure if the woman goes on 50 dates though

03:23:04.540 and she can probably stop and say okay i'd like to continue to date you and whoever that guy is

03:23:09.500 will probably agree to do that that's not going to necessarily be the same way the other direction

03:23:14.780 that's the problem i agree but that's because i think men and women actually vet differently so

03:23:18.700 it's kind of like have you ever heard the saying it's uh easy to get a guy to agree to be your

03:23:21.900 boyfriend and impossible to get him to agree to be your husband i think that there's always this trope

03:23:27.900 of like men will date you but they won't marry you right and i think there's a complicating factors

03:23:31.900 why men won't marry you but i think a lot of men will kind of take what they can get because in

03:23:36.060 large part they vet the woman in the relationship itself i think a lot more men will walk away

03:23:41.420 from their girlfriend than they will from like a random date because men do have to like throw their

03:23:45.260 net really wide but women have to vet in a different way women have to vet by like having a really

03:23:50.060 narrow uh net so in the case of alexa she's going on 50 dates especially in the case you're not sleeping

03:23:54.700 with them you're not like kissing a lot of them in this case she's just maximizing vetting people

03:23:59.180 because vetting people over got horrible dating apps is the worst experience ever it's so it's just

03:24:04.620 like different strategies in vetting i don't think one's inherently more like pernicious than the other

03:24:09.180 unless they're doing pernicious things on top of it if anything it's worse when the man does it if

03:24:13.340 we're talking about sleeping with all of them because men tend to lack sexual discipline and they're way

03:24:16.620 more likely to do it and that's another thing too i feel like we act like well men are just gonna take

03:24:20.460 what they get so that sexual discipline like that's a virtue for a man too to be able to you know

03:24:25.100 hold himself to a standard not sleep it is listen it's virtuous for men to hold themselves to virtuous

03:24:29.820 standards and that includes you know backing away from sexual intercourse with random women and doing

03:24:35.740 you know that type of thing i agree that that's true just saying that women in that situation

03:24:40.460 they have the control apparatus okay they always have the control apparatus except in maybe like

03:24:47.100 super exceptional cases where the guy is a millionaire rock star or something like

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03:25:22.940 you here to um you were on the show previously i should have brought this up honestly during the

03:25:29.180 introductions um our our big disagreement for like 50 minutes on the show men are strong was uh and that

03:25:37.660 we so i asked you generally speaking are men more physically strong than women and there was a long

03:25:45.100 back and forth i've wanted to just ask the question once more are men stronger than women i've been

03:25:51.020 doing a lot of thinking about this about the conversation what i would say if it came up again

03:25:57.020 and i want to say how are we quantifying strength because we can't we there's a variety hold on

03:26:02.540 physically stronger that's it well how do you quantify explosive power grip strength is like

03:26:07.740 one of the best ways to quantify well we brought up the grip strength study yeah and she did not what

03:26:13.260 did you say i think you said well grip strength is only one metric of strength strength is like one of

03:26:18.140 the most important measures of strength and it correlates because like there's this weird thing

03:26:21.900 where basically this is why power lifters will like get like wait but before i have you i'd like you to

03:26:27.420 at least state your position before people respond to you so and i and it's okay i conceded last time

03:26:33.740 as well you didn't really but so what you said you've done research and you haven't found what

03:26:41.660 i've done sorry well we kind of interrupted you but you were making a point of you you were thinking

03:26:46.780 about it doing some research and like what are you making i wasn't really i haven't done uh research

03:26:53.580 i've just been thinking about about like the responses having conversations with people so

03:26:57.820 like one thought that i had that i've been having is you know how can we quantify strength and you know

03:27:02.940 in what situations because i remember you brought up the or somebody had brought up the situation with

03:27:06.940 the roommates and defending who would i want to defend me i would want the strongest person to defend

03:27:12.540 me yeah well i have a way that you can maybe because i was thinking about this too okay here's maybe a

03:27:17.260 good way you can quantify it when you're walking around in your daily life who do you see lift up more

03:27:22.540 heavy stuff men or women usually who's lifting up the heavier stuff heavy people yeah i'm a dancer

03:27:33.420 so i see you know when it includes everything everything that could ever be in existence who's

03:27:37.660 picking up the heavier stuff usually who's carrying the couches who's loading the trucks who's on you

03:27:44.380 know who's doing all that stuff that you see have you ever had any movers no um actually my response

03:27:51.580 to that is both because my my stepdad will usually be one of the ones moving stuff and then he will

03:27:57.260 recruit my younger sister who is super heavy in the gym and all that over another is your stepdad

03:28:03.980 stronger than your sister i was i don't know they're about equal she probably works out more than him but

03:28:09.660 he's a police officer so that's also the argument though is she has to work out wait so much

03:28:15.100 harder before i don't hold on no no but but i i want you to fully because we've kind of interrupted

03:28:19.580 you a little bit so you said that you've been having conversations with people and what have you

03:28:27.020 arrived have you arrived at anything what do you have any further thoughts how do you quantify

03:28:32.940 strength continue um so i think there's a lot of different ways that we can quantify strength and

03:28:38.140 there's no physical strength physical strength yes um and i don't think there's like you were saying

03:28:47.100 it's one of grip strength is one of the best ways to be able to tell you know how overall strong someone

03:28:53.340 might be and i think that's a good point and i think that's worth considering but i don't think

03:28:57.340 it's like the one all be all because what would that be i don't know so there or unless somebody can

03:29:03.980 tell me because like yeah so so do you look when you look at men and women in society do you see

03:29:08.780 that men are bigger than women taller bigger that's yes the average height of a american man is five

03:29:16.140 eight and do you think what that means that they got a bigger skeleton like denser balls no just like

03:29:22.860 a bigger bigger their muscular skeleton is going to develop yes necessarily they have a bigger skeleton

03:29:28.940 and a bigger skeleton can do what they have a bigger skeleton you can do what with it i guess

03:29:35.340 hold more things i don't know harness more leverage okay okay that makes sense that makes sense and you

03:29:39.820 can also have larger amounts of body mass around a larger skeleton right so the thing the thing is is

03:29:46.300 if the capacity is there for the thing that's bigger versus the thing that's not as big which one

03:29:52.380 would you judge as being generally stronger than the other like if you saw a kitty cat versus a lion

03:30:00.860 which thing would you think was stronger the lion why hold on because it's because the lion has it's

03:30:11.900 bigger lots bigger right although to be fair really big power lifters actually carry less weight per

03:30:18.300 poundage for their own body because leverage does create like fulcrum points that are bad which is

03:30:22.140 why women in power lifting are kind of insane they don't lift the heaviest weight but they

03:30:27.340 lift pound for pound especially in legs they're starting to like come close to men i feel like you

03:30:33.100 just went over with a big bag of dirt and poured it right into the water and now there's nothing

03:30:37.820 but i should have said hold on i'm going to stir the pot obviously men are on average stronger

03:30:42.380 by like obvious i just wait i like the kitty cat and the lion and you really just kind of wrecked

03:30:47.980 that here but but before before we interrupt her i'd like to give her an opportunity to actually

03:30:53.500 like finish your full full thought go ahead mr interrupter over here don't just go ahead

03:30:59.500 just go ahead gotta get myself back on track okay what was the final point that i so you were

03:31:05.660 you said you were consulting with people with various experts i assume and my mommy

03:31:12.380 but you were having conversations so what scientists and it sounded like you rejected

03:31:20.060 we showed you that grip strength study you rejected that because while you might acknowledge that it's

03:31:25.820 a factor in strength it might not be the ultimate test or indicator that would determine who might

03:31:32.540 comparatively who might be stronger men or women so um what else what um i think it also depends on

03:31:40.380 like how much protectiveness somebody feels over the person that they might be defending or themselves

03:31:46.380 how much adrenaline i guess is pumping maybe not like literally how much adrenaline but like

03:31:51.500 how crazy they are maybe in the adrenaline example wouldn't you have to

03:31:56.380 compare uh an adrenalized man to an adrenalized woman so if we just compared both of them in an

03:32:02.300 an adrenalized state in an adrenalized state who is stronger men or women so it would have it would

03:32:07.740 have to consider the adrenaline

03:32:12.540 and i feel like more i'm almost curious if i'd be curious to see studies if men produce more

03:32:17.740 adrenaline i don't know i was thinking but i'd be curious if men produce more adrenaline and sort of

03:32:22.300 flight-to-flight situations yes that's horsey do

03:32:24.860 i don't actually yeah maybe if there's a mom wouldn't she produce more adrenaline if she felt

03:32:29.900 like her her kid was in danger exactly that's the point that i'm going to be

03:32:32.860 well let's yeah yeah but so so go ahead go ahead continue i'm now i'm interrupting i apologize go

03:32:39.260 ahead the fact that you brought up the mom situation wanted like was another point that i was considering i

03:32:43.820 know that my mom would be able to defend me so much better than my biolog either my biological but okay but

03:32:50.380 the sure but the question the original question that this kind of stemmed from was are men stronger

03:32:56.380 than women physically just on average that's it just on average and if we're taking i think it would

03:33:04.460 just be so hard to find an average i think is what the conclusion that i might have somewhat come to

03:33:09.500 last time but like i wanted to verbalize it better if i got the opportunity wanted to verbalize it better

03:33:15.580 if i see the numbers and we're taking each individual man and each individual woman

03:33:23.020 and there's a list of the ones that are strong i guess like and like i said it's so hard to quantify

03:33:32.380 these things so like who is stronger men or women does anybody understand what i'm saying no i have no

03:33:38.460 idea i literally have no clue like obviously men can be like domestic violence victims for example i feel

03:33:43.900 like usually like a big reason in why can we not say that word sorry no it's fine to say why women

03:33:50.140 like tend to be like you know more not trying to say that that doesn't happen to men because i'm

03:33:53.900 sure there are you know men getting roughed around by it's because like you know like usually it's

03:33:57.900 harder for us to fight back because we're like weaker that's not really related to the conversation

03:34:02.300 i've been saying the sense of i feel like when we're talking are you saying that women can beat up

03:34:05.340 men yes they can yeah but no that's not what i was saying i was saying the reason that

03:34:09.180 like majority of the case i would say are usually the woman is the victim is because

03:34:13.340 if if the strength is more half half wouldn't we fight back in those situations more often

03:34:17.020 well that it's and our adrenaline is up too and our adrenaline is up yeah exactly and usually when

03:34:21.340 a girl's a victim of dv they end up beat up not fighting back and having you know three rounds and

03:34:27.100 just like doing mma fighting like okay usually the woman is the one who you know okay um do you want to

03:34:36.060 continue with your point i think just the main one that i want to that is important for me to say is the

03:34:43.180 ability to quantify these things the strength and then the comparison of the strengths between an

03:34:48.140 entirety you know eight billion people we have four billion men approximately and four billion women

03:34:53.580 approximately i think it would be crazy to even try beaten cheeks donated two hundred dollars

03:35:03.420 andrew please cook them into going back to the easiest class in elementary school about physical

03:35:09.020 strength between boys and girls p i'm getting dumber listening to the libs than watching monkeys work

03:35:15.420 okay first of all this is not a libs talking going okay i've been very explicitly clear as a

03:35:19.820 progressive lib that i would disagree with this obviously men are normatively more strong just like

03:35:24.460 obviously obviously obviously obviously obviously obviously i think that's only not true in hyenas

03:35:28.300 but it's because female hyenas have a shitload of testosterone which is like there is some set of feminists

03:35:33.100 though i i and i'm not trying to like straw man feminist or whatever but there is some like

03:35:38.460 deranged feminists that like i don't know if you're familiar this neat neat uh anita sarkeesian this is

03:35:44.540 like way back she made a whole whole tropes versus video games or something uh she claimed that it's a

03:35:51.740 trope that men are physically stronger i i don't well i don't this was a decade ago so i don't remember

03:35:57.100 exactly what she said but she was essentially saying yeah that met that that there actually is

03:36:01.820 no physical strength yeah a lot of like cringy third wave feminists were just obsessed with women

03:36:06.780 being men um but the fourth way most fourth wave feminists for example would fully reject but but

03:36:11.580 continue all right that it actually makes sense because it would go against the oppressive narrative

03:36:17.260 if they said suddenly that women are stronger than men they couldn't say that men oppressed them so

03:36:22.860 go ahead that kind of counter counterintuitive to feminism so i i let me just ask the question

03:36:29.100 are men physically stronger than women

03:36:37.980 we already went over this i have a hard time is there because i'm trying to be good faith here like

03:36:45.180 is there just some metric of strength that you think women are better on or something and that's

03:36:50.140 why you're having a hard time say or like what metric is giving you hesitancy is there a sport

03:36:55.740 that you think like women would is it just the gym is there pain tolerance pain tolerance is a good

03:37:00.780 point sport um and i i think my i'm just saying this slowly makes you so like super endurance running

03:37:07.340 for example women are starting to compete at equal levels and slightly more specifically because of

03:37:11.420 like body fat composition and like water amounts that like and pain tolerance that like women are starting to

03:37:16.300 slightly out compete men on like super marathons nick can you pull up boys versus men or sorry

03:37:20.540 boys versus women.com we already we already looked at it we'll look at it for 10 seconds and then

03:37:24.940 uh so high school boys high school boys if you put the in the u.s if you put them against

03:37:33.660 gold uh medalists in the olympics and this is not just in the u.s this is across like

03:37:38.860 the highest level of achievement in women's sports so hold on let me read this next scroll up

03:37:43.340 uh male high school athletes so i'm assuming this is u.s male high school athletes versus female

03:37:49.580 olympians so this isn't just u.s female olympians this is all olympians from the entire entire world

03:37:55.260 every single country if boys high school boys win against the fastest women is it fair for males

03:38:01.580 well that's okay that's another conversation uh so if you allowed high school boys to compete against

03:38:08.700 female olympians the boys would steal all those medals from the women so just scroll down just a

03:38:16.540 bit we won't see the whole thing but um track and field 2016 high school boys versus 2016 olympic

03:38:22.940 women's finalists scroll down a bit neck so this is for the 100 meter no no no up up up up up

03:38:27.740 and it's going to resort so those are high school boys who would outperform the olympian women scroll

03:38:36.540 down just a tad we'll just look at one more and we won't linger um this is 400 meter 800 meter and

03:38:42.460 it's going to resort here okay so um high school boys who certainly are i assume are not even at

03:38:51.740 their athletic peak are out competing female olympians just just u.s high school boys are out competing all

03:39:00.780 the women in the world at who are at the peak of within their gender must be steroids so how can

03:39:07.500 you explain that high school boys are out competing women if not for having more strength for example

03:39:18.620 or fast which i mean these are races so that's probably more related to like your fast twitch

03:39:22.380 muscle fibers and explosive power yeah okay but you know what related to that nick can you

03:39:27.020 pull up photos of male sprinters versus female sprinters just to see what their bodies look like

03:39:34.140 i should look at the there's a video of a female sprinter like paste alongside a male sprinter video

03:39:39.660 it's really it's probably the i used to make sure it's not to agree with you and then my husband when

03:39:44.700 we were just starting to date just showed me like serena williams being like i would never and then like

03:39:49.740 uh u.s soccer team of women olympians losing to like the u16 boys team and i was like okay yeah that this is

03:39:55.900 just like brain rot and it was bad like they lost scorched it was scorched it wasn't even close yeah

03:40:01.900 yeah um they were laughing at you it was pretty funny okay so the way that i'm looking at strength

03:40:09.340 is less in sports and stuff and more like physical combat and stuff um like okay what about like

03:40:15.340 navy seals there are like hardly ever any i don't even know there's never women navy seals that is

03:40:21.980 women would never compete in a male fighting sport ever they would get in fact this is like

03:40:26.540 part of the the trans athlete conversation is that like trans athletes even after doing a whole bunch

03:40:31.100 of stuff to like make them like their tea and stuff similar to cis women all the cis women that have

03:40:35.660 fought them and like they punch like nothing i've ever experienced it's like a truck in your i almost

03:40:39.820 wonder if you don't want to concede this because then it would because perhaps you have a corresponding

03:40:44.700 position on the trans people in sports thing and if you were to concede that men are physically

03:40:49.340 stronger than women or males are stronger than females then you then must concede that we should

03:40:55.500 not have trans women in women's sports is that what this stems from um i don't think so i think it's

03:41:02.780 more just to do with my personal experience with my mother and like her like i know she could whoop

03:41:08.620 anybody's ass like my dad no your mother could not whoop anybody's ass you think she could beat up joe rogan

03:41:14.620 mike tyson i don't know if she was angry no that's not your your degree your degree of anger does not

03:41:22.860 dictate your ability to beat someone in a fight who is say two times as strong as you and two who

03:41:30.780 weighs twice as much as you and who's a foot taller than you in a fist fight let me ask here can we pull

03:41:36.460 up and are we talking about a professional fist fight hold on no no no pull up nick pull up pull up a

03:41:43.340 pull up a photo of brock lesner so your mom how tall is your mom she's five she's how tall five

03:41:50.700 foot five foot um okay she's five foot nick you got the photos

03:41:57.180 nick she's gonna be so happy just brock lesner image

03:41:59.820 also not saying women can't be badass but yeah we have to work wait before you pull it up before

03:42:12.460 you pull it up your mom could beat up anybody

03:42:17.580 i'm pretty confident she could beat up a lot of people i don't know about anybody anybody

03:42:21.500 but i'm gonna confidently what percentage of men could your mom beat up at five four do you think

03:42:27.420 at five foot she's five oh excuse me oh four inches shorter you are aware that the average

03:42:32.540 male height is like five nine five ten i believe last time i checked it was five eight yeah yeah

03:42:37.420 well it depends i it depends what country but in the us in any case so what percentage of men

03:42:43.820 in the us do you think that your mom could beat up how much does she weigh too by the way um right

03:42:51.820 now she's at she's gonna be uncomfortable with me talking about this i think like 145 your five-foot

03:42:59.580 mother's gonna be uncomfortable about you talking about her beating up men no no about her weight

03:43:04.860 okay i guess yes it's rude task a woman's age and weight um how what percentage of men do you think

03:43:12.140 your mom could beat up my guess would probably be fist fight no like hidden weapons or any

03:43:17.580 teeth nails everything anything to anything you could she can use fighting dirty i think the man

03:43:25.100 can fight dirty too yeah yeah approximately 80 percent holy have you ever seen a fist fight

03:43:34.780 you are delusional my dear you are delusional my dear have you ever been trained in any sort of mma

03:43:41.260 that's the first question wait wait wait oh my god not even just like karate is gonna be lethal

03:43:47.660 okay do you have the brock lesnar clip so before you pull it up oh well wait just the first one do

03:43:53.740 the first one the wikipedia the first one the first one okay mom beat him up so brock lesnar i think

03:44:00.620 he's like well over six feet he's probably over 200 pounds um damn could your mom beat him up

03:44:06.700 you said he's six feet forget just just based off anyone though yeah no no but that's fine but

03:44:13.660 i'm asking could your mom 20 percent huh he could be in the 20 percent that she can't beat up no but

03:44:19.020 could no no could yeah forget his height forget his height let's say this is five foot brock lesnar

03:44:26.140 this is his could your mom beat up brock lesnar

03:44:30.860 ufc she might she might be able to okay you're so oh my god you're delusional you are i'm sorry but

03:44:36.940 there's no other way to say this you're delusional you think your mom could beat up out of four billion

03:44:41.020 men 80 percent of them no we said in the us we did say in the okay 300 million we have 150

03:44:47.180 let's say 100 million men i bet you your mom could beat up like a guy who's like a paraplegic

03:44:52.620 and was like 80 and like maybe a bit more but like this is where like oh god theory of violence

03:44:58.620 is really important and our society has the worst and women have a way worse theory of violence than

03:45:04.140 men because every man knows that he is not taking on a 6-2 bro even if he's 5-8 right like no shot

03:45:10.300 because it's like going your mom is going into a sword fight with a little dagger like the reach

03:45:15.340 alone is so dangerous like it's no it's going into a knife no it's worse it's so much worse

03:45:20.860 worse with a knife and she might not be able to even reach his head to punch him in the head right

03:45:24.700 and this is why like brock lesnar is an f-16 and your mom is a needle that's that's the distinct

03:45:31.420 that's the difference literally that that would be the distinction and i feel like if we could like

03:45:37.420 have even fight like feminists would it be like you know arguing things probably just fight back

03:45:42.140 against men you just beat them all up what is the logic wait can you save that what oh this

03:45:50.060 no yeah okay so sorry that was my city um

03:45:56.940 what is that i won't ask the whole table here not to not to like

03:46:00.860 because i fight i fight i fucking have senseis that will slap me in the

03:46:10.140 fucking face it doesn't matter how much i'm like yeah i got this i'm a yeah i'm just mad like let's

03:46:15.980 just go man people put me in my place so fast like it's not funny because okay let's say like

03:46:22.700 go for her mile could probably beat up 80 percent she'll probably beat up both my senseis who have

03:46:27.740 years of experience i i have a i have a uh a question so so okay um in and knowledge did you

03:46:37.900 say you do jujitsu i do yeah okay grappling so i've heard this like a a male blue belt and by the way

03:46:45.260 belts and like it takes a long time to get belts years like it's a lot longer than so in jujitsu my

03:46:51.340 understanding is like a male same weight a male blue belt is going to tap a female black belt period

03:46:59.500 like has a lot to do with weight weight is what's keeping you down i would argue even like same weight

03:47:06.620 like a male look maybe uh also i wrestle i did wrestling in high school we had women on the team

03:47:13.180 um and uh typically like the women when they went to the tournaments like they

03:47:18.700 they typically more often than not they lost okay um by the way can can i just yeah instruct

03:47:26.940 my team and my audience who are watching this to begin the meme generation of my mom can beat up

03:47:32.700 brock lesnar do it immediately as fast as you possibly can i don't understand why but but it's i think i

03:47:40.540 think here's the thing it should be like you you had to like calculate whether like what if the

03:47:47.100 adrenaline it's like it should be an instant factors no there's no factors you see you see a photo of

03:47:53.020 brock lesnar you know that your mom is five feet you are it should be instantaneous nah she he could kill

03:47:59.980 her and but it also depends on how smart they are and how quick they are how smart but like she's like a

03:48:05.740 trained like he does fighter even if he wasn't he was a ufc champion sit on her and be done like let's

03:48:13.340 be real i want to have experience he could stay on her but but you said it has it comes down to

03:48:18.140 intelligence it doesn't come down to but i think that's another factor like if you're quick on your

03:48:23.340 feet and if you know fighting skills i think that those things is your mom a professional fighter it

03:48:28.620 can help so let me ask you this question let's say brock lesnar but so brock lesnar granted is a ufc

03:48:34.780 fighter let's just say he's totally untrained but in that body totally untrained male has never

03:48:41.660 taken a boxing class hasn't even done like taibo fucking nothing he just goes to the gym and he

03:48:48.380 attained that bill just goes to the gym zero fight training your mom at five feet she is the pound for

03:48:55.580 pound best mma fighter in the world does your mom still beat in a fight does she beat beat up brock

03:49:05.420 lesnar i see there's probably 85 to 90 90 probability that she could if like this is girl math right here

03:49:14.140 85 to 90 i am i am super ignorant so this is a genuine question yeah because i've read some stuff

03:49:20.540 about certain um what is it and it's not to defend it's just out of curiosity because i know you do

03:49:25.260 martial arts like certain martial arts um if you get really well trained you can use opponents like

03:49:30.220 oh and like body or like physical against them yeah grappling is for them yes there's also so many

03:49:34.700 other things like pressure points and stuff but you they'd have to be in that position at that moment to

03:49:39.740 do that and they're also that's just not like the case all the time also by the way men can be so

03:49:46.380 physically overpoweringly strong that it doesn't matter where you get them with the leverage it

03:49:51.740 doesn't matter any of that they don't even move that guy pound for pound can take on a bear right

03:49:59.100 i think this is just one thing just two hundred dollars is she confused about who can win a fight

03:50:04.860 when arguing because this chick doesn't know when to tap out maybe her mom doesn't either stop hitting

03:50:11.420 her she's brain dead um i guess this is like a really big safety thing too this is why i fight

03:50:17.820 really hard against feminists who say this any girl who's like dating a boy ask him to try to like just

03:50:23.740 bear hug you like physically like don't get him to choke you or anything just restrain you and say

03:50:27.660 don't let me go and i'm gonna fight as hard as i can yeah it's really important that women understand

03:50:32.060 like this is why like i'm all for women taking self-defense courses and stuff but the best self-defense

03:50:35.900 my cop dad would say is screaming please fucking help me yeah and trying to run and whistles and

03:50:42.300 stuff it's really important that women understand like this is why when women talk about like

03:50:46.860 feeling unsafe around men and men like are poo-pooing it it's like no this is why this really really

03:50:51.980 matters is because the power disparity between the average man and the average woman i'm the same height

03:50:57.020 as my husband he would fucking if he wanted to kill me he could kill me at literally any time no matter

03:51:02.940 what and only if i had a gun could maybe i do and if we're in close quarters i still might be

03:51:07.500 fucked but even then they usually take the guns away from the wind true well also feminism is giving

03:51:12.060 women testosterone has a lot to do with it which we lack in as females testosterone pushes buttons

03:51:19.580 in men and the higher it goes and like the more enraged you are as a man i've seen it like it's not

03:51:25.420 just that but testosterone is the building blocks for things like muscle i mean you need it for

03:51:30.460 almost everything absolutely for men it's the fountain of youth that's what testosterone is

03:51:34.940 but your point was so good ask a man to just hold you even just squeeze you kind of hard or just you

03:51:41.340 can't even breathe like i just actually had this happen and this guy was like six foot tall and i was

03:51:46.700 like he just hugged me so tight and cracked my back i was like oh my god like i it was just like

03:51:53.020 intense and i fight unless five days a week actually so that was like and i wasn't trying to fight him

03:51:59.420 but his strength alone was like surprising to me and i was like wow like and i've been in similar

03:52:05.420 situations that i'm not gonna say that i can beat up any man i can't beat up my own like i can't beat

03:52:09.980 up any woman i'm weak as fuck physically i don't beat up nick you might be that's that's a good

03:52:15.420 i don't know i'm kidding i'm kidding probably not like i mean i used to get in fights with my ex and i

03:52:19.740 like i'd freaking start him and i'd still get my ass whooped you know physical fights like you and

03:52:23.820 you you would oh it was like mutually violent you would start fights um the physical um he would

03:52:34.540 be like verbally abusive and then i would just like have a meltdown and then just start flailing my

03:52:38.460 arms everywhere um i never do that don't do it what do you mean at him i am like your arms like so

03:52:46.300 pure demonstrate for me that that's a pretty good demonstration this this not i don't think i mean

03:52:52.380 what is that i that's like an irish stance i don't know but i mean i have and i had deep regrets

03:52:58.620 about that and it was very wrong of me um you did it multiple times yes what you said he was being

03:53:06.140 verbally abusive so what would he say that would compel you to physically strike him

03:53:13.500 god it's been so long it's been a long time

03:53:15.420 you are saying clearly though it was wrong not okay yes absolutely so but what what was he saying

03:53:22.380 that would that precipitated you physically intentionally hurtful things um he such as

03:53:31.580 i don't remember it's been it's been a minute give me one example because you said this happened

03:53:35.180 multiple times so yeah does it matter so yeah like well i mean it doesn't like just matter no i i don't

03:53:41.980 think i don't think it's ever justified to strike somebody yeah and i'm sure you don't it just like

03:53:45.900 it feels like now we're digging into it yeah for like you don't know why they were which feels odd

03:53:50.540 it's her personal like okay well i'm still asking so um i didn't know so it was uh what he was saying

03:53:59.580 and the intention to hurt me behind it and then also uh build up like it would be a long hurtful

03:54:05.340 conversation and then like i would get so angry that you know i would have a fucking outburst um

03:54:11.900 well damn it's embarrassing to talk about was it was it unilaterally verbally abusive like when you

03:54:17.100 were engaging in these arguments and like you were just not saying anything mean to him and like i

03:54:22.140 assume there was some there was times where i did say some mean things to him but there was a lot of

03:54:26.460 times especially like in the last like year of the relationship where i did my best to not

03:54:33.580 verbally engage with those things i would just tell him like it's wrong for you to say this to

03:54:37.580 me it's wrong for you to gaslight me i would try my best to calmly or at the very least um

03:54:44.940 harmlessly explain like why he's hurting me and then he would continue to do it and then that's

03:54:49.820 whenever i would have a physical reaction would he strike you back or he would just um less i mean

03:54:56.540 there's certain times where he strike me back but most of the time he just allowed you this no not

03:55:01.340 allowed he would just like restrain me okay but he would most of the time he would not like strike

03:55:07.420 you back most so you attacked him and he restrained you yeah i think i think i mean if i'm understanding

03:55:16.060 what you're asking correctly again just speak like she's saying that this was wrong so i understand like

03:55:20.620 digging into it but like the fact that she's being honest about it and saying like this isn't okay is a

03:55:26.860 good thing i appreciate even though i we would all agree it's not a good thing i just like right

03:55:30.860 i'm really worried about like what the chat's now like going and doing right now where it's like just

03:55:34.620 so it's clear her saying like this was incorrect and showing remorse is the correct response to that

03:55:39.820 past yeah i'm just one example of something he said that made you strike him um i had okay i had told

03:55:47.100 him that i was really insecure and i felt like really lazy about like not being able to do schoolwork not

03:55:53.100 having the motivation to clean my room and then he would go and be like you're a lazy piece of

03:55:57.900 shit or you know something not a nice thing to say no no so he said that of those you slapped him

03:56:04.380 what did you do that actually that one time specifically my mind we were having an argument

03:56:10.060 in the car on the way to his family's house and he i don't remember what the argument was about or

03:56:16.540 nothing like that but i remember he got out of the car he was about to go get his stuff out of the

03:56:20.140 trunk or something like that and on his way opening the door he was like

03:56:26.860 you're lazy as fuck or that like that's why you're lazy or you know he said it in a way that

03:56:30.780 like was intentional to dig at me so i got out of the car and i went walked around the car to where

03:56:36.060 he was and i tried i just swung and tried to slap him i didn't i didn't slap him that time i don't think

03:56:42.860 i don't remember exactly how it went down but yeah how old was he uh we were the same age i don't

03:56:49.180 remember where what in the time period this was in a relationship but probably 16 we were probably

03:56:53.820 both 16. let's bring it back to the strength thing so um okay so i don't think i honestly have much

03:57:00.940 more to say like i like i said there's a lot of factors that go into it the adrenaline the intellectual

03:57:06.300 the intellect of an individual you know how quick they are on their feet fighting skills that they

03:57:10.620 have all of these things what would it take to convince you that you're incorrect about this

03:57:15.100 statistics we showed we showed you we showed you the grip strength study we showed you in the

03:57:21.660 previous episode that the the male deadlift what the yes i was about to say the deadlift it was like

03:57:28.780 almost men the world record is twice as much in deadlift for men as it is in women and i showed you

03:57:35.100 the that gold medal comparison that the that high school boys who are not at the top of the hierarchy when

03:57:43.420 it comes to uh athleticism well i mean compared to female olympians they out compete female olympians

03:57:52.540 so what i i'm i i'm failing to see what it would it does anybody here at the table think that there's

03:57:59.260 a smoking gun that would convince her that men are just physically stronger than women generally speaking

03:58:05.900 no and i'm asking the chat too if the chat has any if we're missing something here that would help us uh

03:58:11.180 uh is there is there like a smoking gun piece of i don't know what it's a study or okay what would

03:58:18.060 it take to convince you that your mom couldn't beat up eighty percent of the men i don't know i mean

03:58:24.140 i'm sure i can be proven wrong on that i'm not like firm on it he'd ask me what percentage or you know

03:58:29.740 whatever i just gave there's like a meta analysis of like ten thousand data points and it was like

03:58:36.140 conclusive that on average men hold like more explosive power on every single like metric and

03:58:42.460 their anthropomology like it literally is towards them being like stronger would you would that

03:58:47.260 convince you i think so i think from everything that i received from the point that you're making

03:58:51.340 yeah okay those do exist and they're pretty strong overwhelmingly

03:58:55.900 like could never be refuted but i used to i used to like think what you thought so like but i i just

03:59:02.700 hope that you at least you understand what i'm saying especially because you used to have that

03:59:07.180 perspective that it's strength can be is so many different things at once sure the issue is that

03:59:14.140 like okay oh my god when it comes to every single metric of strength men just out compete and like

03:59:20.300 at the end of the day i so i do understand what you're saying it's just like i think at some

03:59:22.780 point it's okay to be like yeah i guess it was incorrect about that which is like yeah honestly

03:59:26.700 i've come here to learn to try to you know expand my ability to debate um being in a group dynamic

03:59:35.500 like this where like everyone's just like take hot shots isn't exactly the best space to be like yeah

03:59:39.260 waving the humble flag either because i don't think anyone will take it so and i have been pretty

03:59:42.940 firm about this but because nobody put it the way that she just put it there's no or i was really

03:59:48.460 asking for what how did you put a meta-analysis of what 10 000 plus points like sorry like data

03:59:53.980 points like an n of 10 000. okay i don't know if you know what an n is but uh so if you guys could

04:00:02.380 have just done that mr professional debater like you i mean i'm so frustrated you say you're a

04:00:07.660 professional debater and then you immediately get fired up when somebody doesn't agree with you or

04:00:12.380 when something isn't making complete sense when you haven't let somebody complete their point listen

04:00:16.380 and no you listen to me give me how much more time do i need to let you talk i barely said

04:00:21.260 anything to you so listen you're telling me to listen in the middle of my statement yeah so

04:00:24.060 listen listen when you say mr professional mr professional debater here's me mr professionally

04:00:28.780 debating but you're so fucking stupid you don't understand men are stronger than women you're not

04:00:33.660 worth debating it's you're not smart enough to have the conversation just sit there like it's crazy to

04:00:39.260 me why would i need to debate with you that the sky is blue or that there's clouds or that why would

04:00:44.620 i debate those things you chose to come on the podcast yeah i didn't come on the podcast to

04:00:49.500 choose to debate with a clown doesn't know that men are stronger than women don't who would ever

04:00:54.220 dispute that yeah like if don't have the don't interact just sit back relax takes i have been but

04:01:00.940 we could i haven't been doing this but you deserve it honestly she wasn't like that her opinion

04:01:08.220 couldn't kind of been swayed you should have been okay that's the end of the conversation let's move on

04:01:13.500 it's just kind of been like but it's like i feel like as a woman it's like it's not really the

04:01:17.420 girl power point it's supposed to be when like i feel like a big basis of a lot of women's issues is

04:01:21.020 we can't fight back you know so i feel like okay not not totally related but um

04:01:28.140 the thing is is that it's it's shocking to hear somebody say that because it in the same way that andrew said

04:01:35.420 he doesn't want to debate whether the sky is blue uh you don't really like how do you like it's almost

04:01:44.780 self-evident that men are stronger than women it need not even be there need not even be studies done

04:01:52.060 but they've done many studies comparing strength for example uh do you do acknowledge that men generally

04:02:00.220 speaking are larger in size right and so that might manifest itself for example in the components

04:02:08.220 that make up your body right so if you're physically bigger that means you have more fat you have more

04:02:13.740 skeleton uh you have more muscle correct okay now what if you lift weights and you start getting

04:02:21.260 stronger you start developing what muscle right so do you acknowledge that men on average have more muscle

04:02:27.420 than women yes i think we had this come this part of the conversation last time where there is more

04:02:33.820 muscle on the average if you have more muscle do you are you going to be stronger generally speaking

04:02:41.900 we can get into like different types of muscle fibers and you know i mean i don't need the necessarily

04:02:47.180 the muscle fibers but i would say yes the somebody that has more muscle has stronger no i don't i don't

04:02:55.580 lift weights so i'm not going to say that i'm strong that's that's fine um if you started to lift

04:03:01.340 weights would you anticipate an increase in your muscle size as long as i'm feeding my body nutritiously

04:03:08.700 i would say so yes okay and correspondingly if you started lifting weights your strength would increase

04:03:13.900 correct okay so your muscle size would increase you'd be able to lift more weights so if men have more

04:03:21.740 muscle mass wouldn't it be generally you can see that men on average have more muscle mass than women

04:03:28.060 just due to their larger physical size yes and i think so so do you do you then think because you've

04:03:34.780 conceded that men have more muscle mass you can see that they're physically larger because men have

04:03:39.500 more muscle mass on average would you say that on average due to men's greater muscle mass that they're stronger

04:03:46.140 than women logically yes that makes sense but what do you mean logically yes

04:03:54.540 the reason that i have an issue conceding on this topic is because i don't want to put out

04:03:59.020 there to the men that aren't willing to the audience that isn't willing to

04:04:05.260 lodge like look at the all of the aspects into in it in the the strength um

04:04:10.780 um so i don't want to just be like willy-nilly um men are stronger than women because like we've

04:04:18.540 discussed there are so many women that are stronger than men and we haven't taken that's not the there

04:04:25.180 okay but we've already addressed that before so are there women that are stronger than men absolutely

04:04:31.260 are there women that could beat up men absolutely but just because there are women that could beat up

04:04:38.140 men does not mean that if that all women could beat up all men yeah i know

04:04:46.540 but so we're not saying we're not saying like i don't know i don't even know how to how to argue

04:04:52.220 this i don't know can we stop talking to brooke from my side obviously men are stronger than women

04:04:58.860 let's move on to others on the panel instead of focusing on whether the sky is blue

04:05:03.180 i just i agree i i agree and i would love to move on yeah i'll move on i'm gonna move on this space

04:05:09.260 doesn't make it okay or easy to be wrong and i think like like for example like all the chat being

04:05:13.660 like haha yeah it's awesome she's just some dumb bimbo it's like that's exactly the problem with all

04:05:19.020 of this like ideological wrestling is that it's damn near impossible ideological wrestling i mean you

04:05:24.940 yourself has said have said that but you agree with you agree that men are stronger this is like this

04:05:29.820 simple simple thing for example it's very simple though it is very simple why are women out

04:05:34.460 competing on super marathons all of a sudden do you know why that is no tell us we no we actually

04:05:39.900 don't know that's the interesting question why the fuck are women doing so well on super marathons

04:05:46.300 why would that matter to this claim because i'm not saying that it matters to this claim i'm saying

04:05:51.020 like being really nasty towards somebody who like is having a hard time admitting that they're wrong in a

04:05:55.100 space that is really hard to ever be wrong in i think it's just no we don't you know we don't

04:05:59.820 need i think i think that i'm not here to coddle i would say that that's totally fair

04:06:06.380 just let andrew this is the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard we went through this for like two

04:06:11.340 hours last time with her on hang on stop stop last time i was on whatever went through two hours so she

04:06:18.860 said all that time to come back for that one big claim the whole time to just google are men stronger

04:06:26.620 than women and the big google box which goes yes and big neon signs and there's gonna be sparkles

04:06:33.980 and flowers poofing that just yes yes she could have done that she didn't yeah so yeah is she poking

04:06:40.060 fun of her and laughing at her yeah does she deserve it yeah is she gonna learn from it probably not

04:06:45.100 should she do should you do it for like 30 to 50 minutes is my kind of my question i agree two

04:06:49.580 hours three hours four hours hold on can i finish my thoughts with with love i think it's like a

04:06:55.260 pretty bad position i think you're wrong obviously right and i think like holding to it regardless

04:06:59.260 of anything is like probably not a good look the issue is like after her and i's exchange she's like

04:07:03.900 okay yeah i guess you're right but then we just needed to go back into it and like rake things over

04:07:08.380 the coals again and you had to have your big diatribe about like how she's dumb and not worth debating

04:07:12.220 ever and stuff like that which i'm not even disagreeing with you the issue is like why is

04:07:16.540 this nasty behavior necessary when we all pretend like we're here to like wrestle with ideas and try

04:07:20.860 to figure out like the answers to reality none of these types of orientations because it's a rejection

04:07:25.340 of reality it doesn't matter it does matter no it doesn't matter about the way that you treat other

04:07:30.700 people yes it does listen is that when you say when you say hey it's not tone policing i'm not saying

04:07:36.060 you're like doing dog if you're going to wrestle with different ideas you're going to wrestle with

04:07:39.500 different things that people believe you have to risk being offensive and sometimes you have to be

04:07:43.100 mean to jar them out of their nonsense and their bullshit i've had to do it hundreds of times

04:07:47.420 you've had to too i've seen you do it yeah so let's not pretend for a second that this is somebody on

04:07:53.340 some big white horse right trying to ride in and save her from something that she should that what

04:08:00.860 should have happened instead she should just been like listen doofus stop doing that

04:08:04.300 shit sure so what hold on hold on hold on please let me please just it'll take two seconds when you

04:08:09.580 guys were running in circles last time and this time okay when you guys were running in circles

04:08:14.940 in this conversation this time and last time failing to understand what i was trying to say

04:08:18.380 and maybe i wasn't putting it across the best way maybe i wasn't and i could admit to that and i

04:08:21.740 was just fine go ahead go ahead go ahead okay okay um it was just not productive because you guys

04:08:28.700 were completely failing to understand the point that i was trying to make which was what which was it's

04:08:33.180 very hard to quantify strength there's no it's not though she just said that there was 10 000

04:08:41.340 but but you said you said it's hard to quantify strength so what about all like for example in

04:08:47.580 physical education i think you had to do like pull-ups and push-ups like if if you just took

04:08:52.780 like an untrained like an untrained boy and an untrained girl like men did you take pe in high

04:08:59.260 school or in like was there a pull-up test was there was there running what was there push-ups

04:09:04.940 typically the women were allowed to do push-ups on their knees did you do push-ups on your knees in

04:09:09.020 physical education were the boys able to do push-ups without being on their knees so okay that's chest

04:09:15.740 strength push strength do you think this motion when it comes to self-defense the ability to

04:09:21.420 force yeah like literally a punch this is a punching motion so your push-up strength would

04:09:28.140 would um should i'm really would would uh translate to perhaps your strength when punching somebody

04:09:36.060 don't you think that that could be an indicator maybe yes it is an indicator and that's what i'm

04:09:41.580 saying but you said quantify so let's say let's say the boys in physical education class in junior high

04:09:47.100 school in high school they're able to do push-ups not using their knees and they can do far more than

04:09:51.420 women would that be quantifying men's strength versus women's strength or what about pull-ups

04:09:56.940 i remember when i was in high school i could do 10 pull-ups the girl maybe two girls could do one

04:10:02.460 pull-up do you remember doing pull-ups in high school yeah so actually the use use that life

04:10:08.860 experience the the pull-ups in high school were the boys able to do more pull-ups than the women

04:10:17.100 okay it's been quantified i also don't know how active these men or these boys have been

04:10:21.660 throughout their life and how active they are on a recreational level and i know you know or i don't

04:10:26.380 know how active the every single day you have pe class and you're doing the same activities at home

04:10:31.900 you know what are they didn't you already agree with me though about like the stats and everything

04:10:35.420 like didn't you just yes i'm just i'm just trying to re-emphasize the the question i think it's the i

04:10:40.860 think it's okay to just be wrong right i think it's okay to be like all of the issues that i was raising

04:10:45.420 before probably aren't that valid and she doesn't concede that she's wrong i agree that she does she

04:10:50.140 doesn't i agree that she doesn't concede but here's a question i would actually want to ask

04:10:54.060 you too why did she concede to me that she was wrong well i think she was she conceded to me that

04:10:59.420 i was wrong i said she said i said would a study like a meta-analysis of 10 000 convince you that

04:11:04.220 there was i don't feel like she really actually has conceded to you yes i did i did she explicitly did

04:11:09.180 and i said just to say to her five seconds ago uh i thought you just conceded this point and

04:11:14.300 she was like well no not really she fully conceded that men are stronger than women based on the

04:11:19.580 evidence i submitted to her correct yes what evidence did you submit i said that there's

04:11:23.420 meta-analysis with over 10 000 data points that would very clearly normatively show on all metrics

04:11:28.860 of strength that men are stronger so why do you so so the question that you have for us is i think

04:11:33.020 what you're trying to say is that you created an escape route for her to get away false the question

04:11:37.660 is why did she concede with me and not with you or you that's what i'm asking because you created an

04:11:42.940 escape route how is that an escape route to say there is that meta-analysis well because it's

04:11:47.100 very clear at this point from from her perspective after getting beat up on this two times in a row

04:11:52.940 over and over and over again by everybody sitting at the table both times that she was completely

04:11:56.860 incorrect and essentially you threw a lifeline she was able to grab the lifeline i was happy to

04:12:03.580 let you throw the lifeline happy to let her grab it happy to move on from that right except

04:12:08.940 who when we kind of get back into it we go wait a second did she hold on hold on

04:12:16.540 she agreed with her and then no one moved on we didn't move on in large part because brian

04:12:20.540 wanted to read which is fine it's your show obviously well but part of why we didn't move

04:12:23.660 on is because brian redirected to the question point she did concede to me it doesn't mean that

04:12:28.220 she conceded with me about like grip strength i didn't get into all of those specifics necessarily

04:12:32.540 but i think it's important to pose of like what are the things that are necessary to like

04:12:36.220 allow people to be willing to change their mind and what i was saying about you guys like i think

04:12:39.980 it's fine to think she's got a dumb ass idea and wrong and be like a little mean to her about it

04:12:44.540 i don't think that that's a problem i think it's really weird though when like everyone's like group

04:12:48.060 punching on her it's like have you ever seen a fight where like one kid gets punched in the face

04:12:51.660 and then 10 other kids come from out of nowhere and start like stomping on each other this is

04:12:55.420 almost like if if everyone here agreed that i have blue eyes and she's like no he has brown eyes

04:13:01.740 and we're like no no no no he has blue eyes like that is the degree of the delusion yeah she's not

04:13:07.500 in she's not operating in reality i don't know if my response would be to like circle the drain with

04:13:12.140 her for an hour just to keep highlighting how wrong she is and then when somebody else on the panel gets

04:13:16.700 her to be like okay i guess they are brown when you say it that way i wouldn't then recircle back to it

04:13:21.340 i would go why am i recircling back here probably for content in fairness which is not like the worst i just

04:13:25.980 like so this whole like white knight it's just it's just perhaps you're you're you're using your

04:13:31.020 you've got the kid gloves on with her and perhaps the way you worded it it's not even clear to me

04:13:35.260 because if if you ask her if you get her to concede to the point and then i then ask essentially this

04:13:43.740 i don't know if i asked the exact same thing as you but if i say well okay then so if you concede to

04:13:48.700 her point then surely you must surely must be the case that you agree that men generally speaking

04:13:54.460 are stronger than women and then you say no in actuality she didn't concede to your point she

04:14:00.220 i guess she just wanted to be agreeable with you because you were being pleasant to her

04:14:04.060 now i'm not attacking her she's not she's not being like he's not i think the only name calls

04:14:09.980 was like probably andrew he said she was stupid and dumb as i think that was andrew yeah yeah no

04:14:15.580 that's what i'm brian didn't no no brian you weren't i'm saying it's because you were coming off like

04:14:20.620 every time she would tell you like maybe this is what i think this is my opinion you kept let's

04:14:26.300 like making the point that she is wrong here let's let her speak for herself it's not even about what

04:14:30.700 i think i'm okay it is about what i think but it's more about really the way that i'm thinking it

04:14:36.540 um like i've been trying to say it's like there's so many factors that go into strength

04:14:41.740 um there's so many factors that go into strength and it's really hard with the with what the

04:14:51.980 information that you guys were giving me all y'all gave me what what are the factors that go into

04:14:56.140 strength there we talked about it the adrenaline um the muscle mass yes the grip strength you know all

04:15:03.420 of those things okay so guys so we established that grip strength men have more grip strength we

04:15:07.820 established that men have more muscle density and muscle mass and when it comes to adrenaline let's

04:15:13.900 if i were to concede to you that when it when in a fight-or-flight situation both men and women

04:15:19.340 receive the same dose of adrenaline

04:15:23.420 using those other factors if the muscle mass is more in men and this grip strength is more in men

04:15:28.860 but the adrenaline is the same then

04:15:31.180 wouldn't men still be stronger yes compared to like okay yes so okay so there are those factors

04:15:42.940 and then there are factors that i don't know about and i cannot list and i don't know if anybody can

04:15:47.100 list them because you probably have to have a pretty in-depth understanding of biology no you don't

04:15:51.580 need an in-depth understanding of biology you don't do you think in order to make the determination that

04:15:58.060 men are stronger than women generally speaking that you need to have like a phd and i think it

04:16:03.340 requires a meta-analysis that she was referring to whether or not you have a phd you take that so

04:16:08.220 let me ask you a question would say a 10 year old boy who's in elementary school would he be in in cape

04:16:13.500 incapable of coming to the conclusion that men are stronger than women only yeah because he doesn't

04:16:19.740 have the facts if he doesn't have the facts and there's no way he can come to that conclusion

04:16:22.860 right does that mean like i don't know if so what about me i i dropped out of city college i uh i

04:16:31.180 dropped out of city college i never got a degree from a institution of higher education because of my

04:16:39.500 lack of credentials and am i incapable of coming to the conclusion that men are stronger than women

04:16:45.420 no because it's not about the credentials i'm telling it's about the facts that you know if you know

04:16:49.420 the facts then you know the facts and that's the end of it is that easy to understand um

04:16:57.500 oh okay um

04:17:01.580 i don't even know how to argue this to be honest i mean if you know the facts then you know them and

04:17:07.260 you can provide them and you can use them in your argument what if i what if his point would be like

04:17:10.860 he provided multiple multiple multiple yes and i didn't disagree let me ask you let me ask you a

04:17:15.740 question let me ask you a question so we have the we have the great benefit of the internet let's go

04:17:25.420 back 100 years let's say i didn't have let's say i was some farm boy that never that i never went to

04:17:32.620 school i grew up on a farm go back 200 years grew up on the farm didn't have access to internet never went

04:17:39.100 to school had no education would i be wrong as somebody who's had no education who can't google

04:17:47.740 grip strength and olympian well there wasn't the olympics 200 years ago actually well the greeks

04:17:53.500 well yeah but then i think it came when did the olympics come back in the early 1900s early 19s yeah

04:17:59.260 in any case that's kind of irrelevant would i not be able to determine that men are physically

04:18:05.580 stronger than women so you could make a generalization based off the information that

04:18:09.180 you've gathered gathered throughout your lifetime okay but you cannot state for a fact with 100

04:18:14.140 confidence and certainty that men are stronger than women because as a farm boy that doesn't know

04:18:18.220 nothing you've seen this much of the world and been given the information of or this much information

04:18:26.300 about the world actually as a farm boy you might have a substantial amount of information because

04:18:30.700 that's physical that's a physically laborious job i don't disagree with you but i'm just and

04:18:35.580 perhaps if something heavy on the farm needs to be moved it's not the women that end up moving it but

04:18:39.900 it's the men exactly so that would be that you could come to a generalization using that information i

04:18:44.300 don't like i don't but you said i don't even know i don't know how to further i think like the most

04:18:52.140 important thing in all this is you need to have like a line of credulity right and like i don't know

04:18:56.780 if a meta-analysis of 10 000 is the best line of credulity it's one but it's like you know for

04:19:02.460 example probably what brian and andrew would point to and probably most of chat would be like you

04:19:05.420 can just like look around at life and like see it and so i think like any whenever you're thinking

04:19:12.220 about an idea you must have a line where you say like this would be enough to convince me and if you

04:19:16.300 don't have that line the reality is like you probably don't have much worth in really engaging

04:19:21.740 in the idea and i'm not saying that this is just you just to be clear like everybody in chat who's

04:19:25.020 laughing at this has some dumb beliefs with no lines of credulity either it's just like what

04:19:30.140 we're running into in here is like brian's like there is no line of credulity other than like

04:19:33.820 probably in his mind he's like the reason maybe kyla was effective is because she like has tits

04:19:37.820 um and like said it nicely um which i'm not sure if that's actually what that's that's not my

04:19:41.660 position but sure i would be curious i guess maybe your position is that i didn't actually convince

04:19:46.540 her i think it's actually well it could be the case that she has an in-group bias for other

04:19:49.980 women and to hear it from a woman might actually actually well not because you have tits oh sorry

04:19:55.580 so when i say when i have tits it's like a joke towards oh okay i see because we're women yeah okay

04:20:00.380 sure um i was actually hopeful that andrew last episode would be able to at least understand the

04:20:06.620 logical there's nothing logical no i'm just your position the question of the logic the question of

04:20:14.540 the objectivity of strength and the question of the quantifiability like that's because i'm just

04:20:19.500 raising questions that's it all i wasn't here's my logical argument please i wasn't making solid

04:20:25.500 arguments i didn't make a single solid argument actually this whole conversation in the last

04:20:29.580 conversation i just said i don't know i do not have all of the quantifiable information or the yeah

04:20:35.740 all of the data that it would need or that i would need to determine if all if on average men are

04:20:41.180 stronger than women right do i make the statement that your mom could beat up 80 of men he asked me

04:20:46.380 for a random statistic that was just a freaking guess let me let me ask you a question let's say

04:20:50.060 you went to a power lifting competition a lifting like where they do various lifts um and you were you

04:20:57.660 could like interview every single individual at this power lifting competition and let's say that

04:21:02.700 there's a hundred men and a hundred women and they're all it's not just like you're comparing a

04:21:07.660 hundred men who lift to a hundred women who have lived sedentary lives they're both uh they're peak

04:21:14.220 athletes they both are in the top of their competition they're at a competition um if you

04:21:20.380 were able to interview all of them like don't you think in that cohort in that well not don't you think

04:21:27.180 but i'll ask do you think that the men would be stronger than the women

04:21:33.500 based on the information that i've gained from this episode i'm going to say yes the men will

04:21:41.420 be stronger than women we did a solution

04:21:49.100 okay all right um i think i'm going to have a liberal talking point earlier in the conversation

04:21:53.740 so i think pixie blue-pilled you wait what's that you gave some like liberal kind of talking

04:21:58.300 point and i was gonna make a joke about how pixie blue-pilled you when you guys are ready to date

04:22:01.980 but oh i forgot what was it i can't remember what it was okay well we're gonna move on was it the

04:22:08.060 in-group bias no no no it's like two hours ago i'm sitting on that wait wait wait i'm sorry i'm

04:22:14.620 sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry are men stronger than women yes okay she just okay i'm not gonna convince

04:22:21.740 her all right we're gonna move on um we have we have sergio banks 87 how the f are you incapable of

04:22:27.660 answering the obvious answer it's as easy as saying women make better mothers and pixie don't

04:22:32.380 you dare bring up trans men okay i'm not sure what that's related to it was like 40 minutes ago so

04:22:38.060 there's a lot of feelings on that one all right we have there's like layers

04:22:43.740 we have uh first time chatter what percent of women could her mom beat up more than 80 now a key that

04:22:50.140 can open many locks is called a master key but a lock that can be opened by benny keys is a shitty

04:22:54.620 lock thoughts thoughts a pencil that can be sharpened a lot it's a bad here we have another

04:23:03.500 chat coming in here we have uh hey blondie is the world flat that there's plenty of proof against it

04:23:10.700 but you don't know for sure until you see it for yourself right or until you see all the worlds

04:23:14.940 in all dimensions do you think the world is flat no okay have you ever had zirka on i'm actually super

04:23:20.460 curious no i haven't had him on would you have him like oh wow because he's into the flat earth

04:23:25.180 let's say pre zirka burning every single possible human bridge would you have had zirka on because

04:23:30.460 he was a flat earther and if you would would you have gone at him as hard because that's

04:23:34.460 fucking dumb wait would i have what would you've gone at him as hard to debate him about about

04:23:39.580 well it's i feel like uh that's totally unrelated to it's no it's super separate it's a super

04:23:44.940 separate topic well i'm just honestly like i find the whole that whole debate so dumb and pointless

04:23:50.380 like what but like i don't care it was kind of dumb and pointless yeah but it's uh i i see what

04:23:57.820 you're saying but i care so much less about like the flatter thing yeah well i mean even compared to

04:24:05.100 i i have a much stronger position on male versus female strength as i do like flat earth is just

04:24:10.700 conspiracy theory shit so i mean theoretically women being as strong as men is just like silly

04:24:16.300 conspiracy theory shit that most people don't believe all right all right we have a chat here

04:24:20.700 from hold on one sec we have ricola can we get my queen in the corner of cough drop she's been dying

04:24:25.900 all podcast oh yeah i don't know if you guys heard she was in the bathroom like coughing up storms yeah

04:24:32.300 good times andrew looks concerned um all right so let's get into some of finally some some a bit more

04:24:38.380 juicy stuff here um now we will come back i know we wanted to get back to the trans stuff um did we

04:24:48.300 yeah we'll get we'll get there in just a sec we'll get it back into some of that stuff in just a sec i

04:24:52.780 want to go around the table though uh who here considers themselves a feminist i'm not yeah sure okay yes

04:25:01.020 yes yeah somewhat first wave yes everything after that original original yes okay first second wave

04:25:12.220 is pretty first and second other than that fourth wave is kind of gotcha dopers in there uh do you

04:25:16.140 believe in the patriarchy i don't know what that is actually okay oh i think it's like a silly buzzword

04:25:22.460 that's like pretty useless to describe anything okay i mean yeah the concept exists okay yep yeah

04:25:30.220 yeah do you mean like do i believe in the word or do like i'm kind of curious do you think the

04:25:36.300 patriarchy exists i think is the point of the question yeah okay so under the patriarchy my

04:25:43.420 understanding right feminist scholar over here can you explain what patriarchy is though how are you

04:25:48.700 defining i mean there's so many different there's so many different different definitions i've heard from

04:25:53.180 women that it's a world built by men for men uh i disagree with if if that is the definition from

04:26:01.260 from feminist i'd say it's a really common definition actually i mean i'm gonna fight with the feminist

04:26:05.340 no but so i agree with the first part the world is absolutely built by men but it's not for the benefit

04:26:11.500 of men um but i've also heard a society that typically where where men have a uh to some degree a

04:26:20.460 monopoly on high positions of power within government and corporations and so on um

04:26:28.460 maybe the leadership the leadership positions in society are held by men yeah there's like structural

04:26:34.060 patriarchy and cultural page there's a whole bunch of different things but so okay uh you believe in

04:26:38.540 the patriarchy or sorry i think i went around the table okay and my understanding is the patriarchy

04:26:44.460 that women are oppressed and men are the oppressors it's not as simple as that yeah it's not well okay

04:26:52.380 fine how about this under patriarchy are women oppressed yes so are men i i'm the worst so i i

04:26:59.020 i'm gonna fight with all the feminists on this one i think we live in like a basically a post i'm gonna

04:27:02.540 piss you guys off i'm sorry i think we live in a post patriarchal world i don't really think it exists

04:27:06.220 i think there's some level of cultural patriarchy um but i don't think any good like there's very few

04:27:11.260 feminists like simone de bovois was like the only one actually talking about it because she's the

04:27:15.660 last feminist to be like good at writing i guess um but i'm very i'm not the best person to ask to

04:27:20.860 represent the feminists okay i infight with feminists a lot okay but so are under patriarchy or whether

04:27:27.660 you agree with it or not do you guys consider say for example in the u.s are women oppressed no no not

04:27:33.580 in the u.s like to a certain extent i feel like like men are victims of the same a lot of the same

04:27:42.460 things that women are so it's kind of like they just don't talk about it as much i think oppressed

04:27:47.740 is a really heavy word to use and i think we have a really strong connotation of it and like in our

04:27:52.860 minds um but i would say with a objective use of the word oppressed yes women are oppressed in america

04:28:01.820 so and pixie are women oppressed in the u.s yeah yes women and men are both oppressed under the

04:28:06.780 patriarchy just through different ways okay i agree with that so so since you it sounds like you three

04:28:13.980 consider yourself to be oppressed how are you oppressed since you're women you said women are

04:28:17.660 oppressed so how are you oppressed i mean because i feel like it's like systematic sexual violence against

04:28:22.220 women well hold on systematic like it's so common and built into our world and like uh like i feel like

04:28:30.140 i'm gonna start talking about some of the things i'm supposed to talk about yeah yeah okay but like

04:28:33.740 i feel like women are kind of like sexually like which is kind of a strong world which system which

04:28:39.740 system or institution grid one motorsports donated two hundred dollars brian who ordered extra blonde

04:28:48.060 moments tonight maybe debating andrew being a big old meanie is more useful or something meaningful

04:28:54.780 like how feminism has failed them how can the patriarchy help you thank you thank you good one

04:29:00.780 thank you man um which you mentioned system which system is like wholesale essaying women i mean it's it's

04:29:11.340 not wholesale but i guess i mean i mean you're not gonna like this i feel like because it's not even

04:29:17.420 just directly towards women i feel like purity culture is one thing that kind of what's purity culture i feel

04:29:21.740 like religion kind of teaches a lot of certain things what is what does religion kind of teach

04:29:25.820 that's that's so terrible i mean because i don't want i feel like i'm gonna start like trigger words

04:29:31.900 but like you're average it's not like all virgins are children that's not true i'm not trying to say

04:29:36.940 that there aren't virgin adult women but when you start kind of like well hold on there's a reason

04:29:40.540 that priests like when did you get married i just said that there are like 23 yeah i'm not saying

04:29:45.740 that all virgins are children i didn't say all like how he said they're probably a big strong

04:29:49.340 woman who could beat a bunch of men are you about are you about to shame men for their preference

04:29:53.260 i'm not shaming men for a preference i'm saying but it is weird okay if you're a man who has like

04:29:56.940 freaking 75 bodies and you want a virgin why is that yeah it's like if you're i think she's the

04:30:01.580 point she's trying to get to and correct me if i'm wrong she's saying that we currently live in a

04:30:05.260 society slash system that does praise men generally speaking for having high body counts while shaming

04:30:11.100 women who have high body counts i'm not sure if that's evidence of oppression and by the way okay

04:30:16.140 we're gonna have to is that religion is that religion that's not just religion but we're

04:30:20.460 getting a little bit off topic i feel like when you make it like being sexual as being impure

04:30:24.940 it's kind of like and then what what group of what are most virgins and what are most sexually active

04:30:30.700 people adults children like it's just kind of i'm not saying that's a hundred percent of the time

04:30:34.780 there are virgin adults but majority of virgins are young i'm not saying a hundred percent i'm not

04:30:40.940 saying there's not exceptions you're not wrong to say that the majority of virgins are wrong but if

04:30:46.540 we're having i said young yeah not wrong i said majority of virgins are young and so if you're

04:30:50.780 kind of like putting this if we're putting sexual purity on a high pedestal it kind of like like you

04:30:55.900 know with all that that was they were literally putting what's it called sorry my bloodstream is

04:31:00.140 dropping if my words are kind of stuttering but um what was i going to say like for the for millions

04:31:06.460 and millions of dollars of hush money in the catholic church to go towards covering up the

04:31:08.940 molestation of children that went deep into the in like into the church and all i'm saying is

04:31:13.820 is it's like would you hold the public schools to the same standard considering there's a whole lot

04:31:19.020 more essay that goes on in public schools than can you give me a stat on that okay yes okay in fact

04:31:24.220 it's ten times more but just because it's more doesn't mean it's okay no actually because i've

04:31:30.540 searched up for that yeah yeah i can give it to you yeah and i've like so do you know what like

04:31:34.620 university or i can't do it do we think the reason like okay when these priests touch these little

04:31:38.540 boys it's because they're like pure i feel like a reason they touch children is because they're pure

04:31:42.620 stop in their head you're derailing the conversation um go ahead how are you oppressed

04:31:51.500 um i think the best and most clear example that i can give is um how women are how women's physiology

04:32:03.500 is integrated i get or interacted with in american society for example um sorry um i i believe and

04:32:19.340 women's physiology is not studied is not studied as much as men um so like men are used more in case

04:32:27.900 studies than women so uh with like a lot of medications for example um and like just basically

04:32:34.220 the understanding that we have of the human body is more it has more of a foundation of the studying of

04:32:41.580 men so i i have heard that that there's studies are more frequently done on on men i i haven't fully

04:32:50.060 looked into the points and counterpoints in that one reason i can provide for you why that might be

04:32:56.540 is because at any given time if you're testing some new medication on somebody if that person

04:33:01.900 happens to be pregnant that could be catastrophic to the child so my understanding and there could

04:33:07.100 be some more points and counterpoints is one of the reasons they're more likely to test medications

04:33:11.340 on men is that there's no risk on a potential unknown uh pregnancy or child that's my that's my

04:33:17.740 understanding it's also from menstruation because there's chemical differences and distinctions

04:33:21.980 which can happen during the course of the study and women can't always track that so they might

04:33:27.020 think it's coming right but they don't know for sure sometimes it's two weeks late sometimes it's

04:33:31.100 a week early so they can't always do that for the wait so but but your point you're saying that women

04:33:35.980 are oppressed because they're less likely to have uh experimental drugs tested on them that would

04:33:42.860 suggest to me that men are desperate for money and that they're willing to undergo like take these

04:33:49.260 experimental drugs just to get money because it's certainly the case that men for example are more

04:33:54.780 likely to be homeless and more likely to be socioeconomically in a bad position you disagree

04:34:01.340 with that then how can it possibly no no i'm not talking i'm not disagreeing about homelessness um

04:34:05.580 what do you mean i guess it means exactly what you mean by socioeconomic if 80 percent of the homeless

04:34:10.460 are men that would suggest to me that the the worst socioeconomic position is homelessness right

04:34:17.180 but then i guess the argument would be like or because you can argue like the majority of like

04:34:22.140 and this is just playing with numbers now right because you can argue the majority of men are

04:34:26.060 homeless right or sorry of homeless people are men but then let's say the number of um moms in poverty

04:34:32.700 maybe not homeless are like 10 times higher than the base number of homeless people right then that

04:34:37.340 would suggest like some fuckery there when it comes to like how we're determining um what sex is like

04:34:43.740 suffering i'm curious to google i don't know i honestly don't know that's why my face was like

04:34:47.660 wait a second by gender uh poverty rates by gender let me see hold on i just want to make sure i'm getting

04:34:57.660 a good one i don't know yeah probably won't address the like control that pixie's asking for um

04:35:05.580 just like stay on it a little bit you didn't need to look like what she's basically saying is like

04:35:09.660 like probably when you look at the lowest socioeconomic standard which would be homeless

04:35:13.980 individuals fuck i hate so many people and i don't agree with them okay fuck um uh like essentially

04:35:20.380 this like lowest body group essentially is probably mostly men but the issue is that if you go up to

04:35:25.660 like just a slightly higher group which would be like single mothers there's probably disproportionately

04:35:29.820 like way more women there than there are even men in the homeless stature so it's like it's hard to

04:35:34.300 quantify like who's more poor overall because who's more homeless overall is men who's more

04:35:39.500 often like alone to raise children well that's women um i think that's the point she's getting

04:35:44.060 on yes okay thank you i would argue that homelessness is probably worse than just living

04:35:50.060 in poverty you're not you're not understanding my base argument um i'm going to try to play with

04:35:55.180 numbers here to make it more clear um let's say there's a hundred can i take a shot at it okay

04:36:00.220 just uh just to make sure we get so you're saying that it could be disproportionate to the next

04:36:04.220 socioeconomic levels so you're not sure if just showing that there's a x rate of homelessness

04:36:10.620 among men would really give us the full picture yeah basically like if we had let's say 100 homeless

04:36:15.500 individuals and 90 90 of those individuals are men yeah that's obviously really really bad but

04:36:21.660 let's say you go up a scale and then there's you know a thousand people in low income and like

04:36:27.420 you know 990 of those people are women well then that shows like yeah it's just like stat

04:36:32.700 fuckery basically that's what i'm trying to get out yeah well i'm not disagreeing with you but

04:36:36.860 unless we have you know it's the empirical data we can't even look at it so yeah i agree so but but

04:36:44.140 we can look at some other things or maybe agree on some other intuitive things yeah which is if we're

04:36:49.980 moving back into the kind of patriarchy conversation you you say that the patriarchy is hurting men and

04:36:55.740 women yes okay what is the patriarchy um so there's a lot of different definitions of patriarchy the way

04:37:03.820 that i would personally define it is like a system i i guess it would go back to like yeah like a system

04:37:11.020 of power that usually places men in um dominant roles when it comes to like leadership um when it comes to

04:37:17.740 just like economic opportunity um just in general throughout society i think um what is it the patriarchy also

04:37:25.580 has like a lot of like cultural components towards it that i think um even though it does put men into

04:37:30.780 power it is like i think in a lot of ways detrimental to men's like health overall um so for example like

04:37:37.820 in our society um a lot of things that we consider to be integral to being a leader um i don't think

04:37:45.420 actually follow leadership and actually are like really bad for the individual so this idea for example um

04:37:51.900 um somebody who doesn't show emotion like stoicism but to the extreme right um people often are like

04:37:59.980 oh you see that person that means that they're so rational that means that they're so logical because

04:38:03.820 they're not showing any emotion but that doesn't necessarily mean that internally that's what's going

04:38:08.540 on right that's why you have like people who go into like you know you you'd never know it but then they

04:38:14.060 commit self-deletion right stoicism something which is considered preferable in a leader

04:38:21.740 i i would argue that our culture as a whole yeah they see people who are like extreme stoicism

04:38:27.420 emotionalists i'm not sure about that i think um i think the way i would say like leadership you

04:38:33.260 would be looking at things like charisma charisma would be a really big one that would be something

04:38:37.740 that people would gravitate towards uh good decision making confidence competence all of those

04:38:44.780 things i would kind of put in as leadership skills i'm not sure that people really gravitate towards

04:38:50.220 extreme stoicism the reason or a big or emotionalists in fact i think that carrot

04:38:55.900 the reason you call them charismatic leaders right is because uh in leadership roles when people are

04:39:02.540 very charismatic they tend to have people drawn and attracted let me phrase it this way yeah um

04:39:08.860 do you think a person who showcases sadness um do you think society in general would look

04:39:13.340 down on that person up in that person neutral to that person depending on the situation if if for

04:39:18.860 instance um for men i think that um the only time it's really appropriate for them to cry is in extreme

04:39:25.980 cases so i always give the example of like somebody closest to you dies uh or a close personal

04:39:32.300 friend dies and that's basically it that's about the only times that you're really allowed to cry

04:39:36.780 about anything um but there's good reasons for that and one of the good reasons for that is

04:39:43.260 especially if you're a leader of a family right you don't really want to be falling apart very often

04:39:48.780 and you do have to kind of hide your emotions a bit so that you can lead your family correctly

04:39:52.940 your children look up to you everybody looks up to you you have to make sure that you're leading

04:39:56.460 the household in a correct way so that everybody has confidence in your competence yeah

04:40:02.060 i understand where you're coming from and i do agree that stability is like a good showcase of

04:40:06.140 being a leader but then to me being able to only cry when somebody dies to that for me takes it to

04:40:12.300 a little bit too much of an extreme yeah i think that there are other scenarios that make sense for

04:40:17.340 you to cry hang on let's let's focus on the one thing at a time so let's just take the the like over

04:40:22.860 emotion or whatever okay don't do you think that men view women who cry very differently than how

04:40:29.740 women view men who cry yes and i think that's wrong yeah but she might think that it's wrong

04:40:35.100 right but could there be a sense a biological sense of reason for why that might be um i assume that

04:40:43.020 the argument you're going to get to is that like oh um men are supposed to be protectors and if a

04:40:47.820 person's crying can they protect no i think that it's actually different i think that crying for

04:40:52.860 women can also be a form of self-defense manipulation whereas physical strength can't

04:40:57.020 be so i think that they'll often employ what are called as an actual rich old white man i disavow any

04:41:05.020 control over pixie she created her own tray rick i also disavow any oppression of anyone and feel

04:41:11.740 personally attacked you know nothing of my work oh my gosh all right yes i'd say that there there's

04:41:19.180 defense mechanisms which are in play for both and so for men who cry mother men see it even at an

04:41:26.460 intuitive level we don't have any respect for it it makes you more prone for attack and things like

04:41:30.780 this whereas for women they can often be employed to great use against men who are much stronger sex

04:41:38.860 whereas if you were to take a look at this for how women perceive other women who cry they seem to be

04:41:43.980 able to see through the bullshit super quick right they're like that bitch is full of

04:41:47.420 shit that chick is full of shit you know i don't believe her it's crocodile tears they seem to be

04:41:52.220 able to see right through it so i would say that no i don't think it's just a matter of your

04:41:57.900 environment trains you what's okay to do when it comes to these types of emotions but there's

04:42:03.500 something which is ingrained yeah i don't know like to what agree or what level we will agree or

04:42:09.260 disagree with this on i think i do kind of strongly disagree and i guess i strongly disagree

04:42:14.460 because i do think um human or emotions i think are a very normal part of human processing yeah i'm

04:42:21.100 not saying that they're not yeah i don't mean to cut you off go ahead i think emotions are a very

04:42:25.740 normal part of human processing and i think part of that is like like crying happiness sadness

04:42:31.420 excitement anger um and i think in our society we punish men when they show the sadness we we view

04:42:39.420 them as weak yeah but women punish them as women punish them yeah i women if you want to say we're

04:42:46.300 going to if we're going to go back to talking about the patriarchy and stuff like that um women

04:42:49.980 definitely uphold the patriarchy no no what i'm saying is that it's not i'm not sure that what

04:42:54.700 you're talking about really as a patriarchy is some kind of fundamental system or a bunch of

04:43:00.220 people trying to stay in power as much as it is the way that humans actually interact with each

04:43:04.380 other because we're distinct ontologically different creatures would you say that it's

04:43:09.100 maybe like a better description because there were matriarchies it was just like patriarchy

04:43:12.620 there were they're really well there really weren't ever matriarchies there were

04:43:17.100 mage there were matriarchs but they really all of their force conditions for the monopoly on force

04:43:23.020 were still upheld by men so so this isn't totally true what we actually see when you go back to like

04:43:28.140 paleolithic eras of like homo sapiens is that patriarchy was just more effective at like

04:43:34.700 coordinating war efforts like they just killed no in paleolithic societies especially you what you

04:43:40.780 mostly see are uh chiefs and you see uh men who are high level men you don't see matriarchs so you

04:43:48.620 did the problem is that you didn't you did you didn't where okay name a culture uh i actually don't

04:43:54.940 know the names of any paleolithic culture specifically but you do know that there was

04:43:58.220 matriarchs in them absolutely so like if you go so there's a really good book i'd recommend it's

04:44:02.300 called sapiens it's by uval harari and it tracks basically the evolution of like homo sapiens

04:44:06.940 psychology specifically because we need to understand that like for example a secular argument for

04:44:13.020 abrahamic religions is that it's been bar none the most evolutionarily successful at setting up the

04:44:18.460 best societies ever which is why it's the most dominant thing it's not this like crazy

04:44:22.860 evil thing the same thing with patriarchy it's reasonable to presume especially when you get

04:44:27.420 into like these lost tribes and we do see matriarchies not as often but often enough

04:44:31.900 that there were lots of matriarchies but the reality is that the patriarchy was fundamentally a

04:44:36.380 more competitive organizational stress let's um let's grant for a second that even that's true

04:44:42.620 that there was matriarchies within paleolithic societies okay i'll grant you for the sake of

04:44:47.340 argument in recorded history of which there's about six seven thousand years there could be

04:44:52.540 some things pre that but we have like the alexander or the library at alexandria burned down so we

04:44:57.500 don't know we lost a lot okay so we don't really know how far back it goes since this is true and

04:45:03.420 we only can go back about seven thousand years if you look at that record there's not really any

04:45:07.980 matriarchies oh i agree i would say like in it seems to be the case that like when tribes were just

04:45:12.940 forming to a space where they were like family competitors against one another that seems to be

04:45:17.500 where matriarchy dominantly yeah so then i just want to be clear that like matriarchies aren't

04:45:21.900 inherently biological like patriarchy isn't inherently biological it's just more competitive

04:45:26.460 if since the conditions have existed for societies actual societies the way that we understand them

04:45:32.780 which is not tribal through spirit things anymore it hasn't been for thousands of years we've had

04:45:38.060 the coalition of societies we have not seen that formula what we've what we've seen and said is

04:45:45.660 strong a strong patriarchy everywhere everywhere in the world basically at all times sure basically

04:45:51.180 always a lot less masculine than we like to act like it is in many ways like this is actually one

04:45:54.860 of the my biggest frustrations with feminists when they talk about patriarchy is that the most

04:45:58.940 successful patriarchies were patriarchies that could socially organize large groups of people and they

04:46:03.740 did so through the inventions of state and the inventions of things like religion these are

04:46:07.740 fundamental to coordinating people beyond 250 bodies yeah but what i don't understand how that's

04:46:11.740 not masculine because social coordination and social cohesion and like making social groups work

04:46:16.700 is almost always attributed to being a feminine no it's not of course it isn't in literature no

04:46:21.740 it's not listen who's organizing corporations who's in charge who's in government all these these are

04:46:29.020 all these are all orders for social organization exactly because men are allowed to be feminine and

04:46:33.900 feminine and masculine traits are both necessary wait wait you're saying that you're only assigning

04:46:40.060 it as being feminine even though when we're looking at the historic record doesn't seem like it's

04:46:43.900 feminine at all seems like it's a very much a masculine trait to be able to do mass organization

04:46:48.300 especially of other men especially of other men i think you of which you almost never see women

04:46:53.100 or masculine organization i i don't know it could be a neutral but i think i think people together i

04:47:00.060 think the way it's done is masculine or feminine i think that the way women could do it through forms

04:47:05.020 of manipulation backstabbery secret telling there's no way that women could do it in like a neutral to

04:47:09.900 positive way they can but it's not often done that i mean that's not true if we look at family it is

04:47:14.860 true who's that one that like everyone goes to when grandma dies the family's fucked because she was

04:47:20.060 like the main person coordinating these things i come from a long line of strong women but sometimes

04:47:25.020 women are often social coordinators who's we're talking but we're talking about in society you're

04:47:30.540 giving these little tiny outliers for individual family units we're talking about the majority of

04:47:35.740 society the majority of human history that's recorded the majority the majority of societies

04:47:41.260 were completely and totally organized by men and not only were they organized by men but the way in

04:47:47.580 which they were organized which was with kind of the cracking of the whip right here's what the

04:47:52.620 spartan warriors are going to do here's what our army's going to do here's the cracking of the whip

04:47:56.540 then you have a really bad understanding i'm not saying it was just anything i'm giving you an

04:48:00.620 example of how this is definitely not a feminine trait because i feel like we're disagreeing on

04:48:05.660 something that we don't need to is it not possible that most of the patriarchies which were

04:48:10.060 predominantly run by men because men tend to be more extreme at most things incorporated both

04:48:14.380 feminine and masculine traits even though it was still a patriarchy no i wouldn't no i don't think

04:48:19.180 so i think that even here kind of this the the semantic distinction needs to be made no i don't think

04:48:26.380 that organization in massive society is a feminine trait and i don't know how you could convince me that

04:48:32.940 it is okay because we would talk about like the fundamental traits if organization and social cohesion

04:48:38.540 and empathy are dominant like like you can apply it to masculinities if you want i don't give a

04:48:43.180 fuck all this stuff is like socially made and socially organized yeah but when we look back at

04:48:46.860 history when like literature talks about like the social cohesion agent or the organizing agent it's

04:48:52.060 oftentimes the women they're given like nurturance role they're given in like collection and like

04:48:56.220 organization roles i mean even in our society we see women hold on you gotta let me finish this is

04:49:00.700 why even in our society what do you see like dominating hr one of the most important human organization

04:49:05.420 groups i gotta push back again i think that what you're talking about here is support roles so yes

04:49:11.100 women are great in support organizational roles but here's what they're not great at they're not great

04:49:15.900 quarter masters they're not great equipment masters they're not great at organizing armies they're not

04:49:20.940 great at any of that what they are great is at smaller tasks like pay masters organizing for food

04:49:27.500 organizing for cookware things like this though before we you know could organize women to do cooking

04:49:34.300 uh basically the roman legions would go around and actually collect food themselves but what i'm

04:49:38.620 saying to you is that no i think that for smaller tasks for support tasks yes nursing things like this

04:49:45.340 but i think that when it comes to the overarching society and how it's organized yeah i would say

04:49:51.020 that uh it's definitely definitely masculine same thing churches organized societies in a big way you

04:49:57.260 you cited that yourself sure those are basically always run by men everywhere sure what do you think

04:50:01.980 my position is well i think that you're trying to say that organization is a feminine trait okay do

04:50:09.180 you know the rest of my take with that or is that the main part well i mean this is what we're arguing over

04:50:15.260 sort of we're arguing about masculinities and femininities that's yeah but you're you're saying that

04:50:20.620 mass organization is more of a female or a you know feminine i didn't say mass organization i said

04:50:27.980 organizing people based on social structures is dominantly more feminine it seems to be a more

04:50:32.780 feminine trait because not because women do it more often it's exclusively do you know what the

04:50:38.700 word arate means i'm sorry if i'm being a super nerdy and it's okay if you don't it's like a really

04:50:42.140 obscure word okay arate was this concept in the greek that was like it's this idea of like the most

04:50:47.180 important cultural value and the way that we tend to like look at cultures is by what their literature

04:50:52.460 writes about when you look at the literature when it comes to like social connections social

04:50:56.620 organization and social glue factors typically that the literature that our society is based on

04:51:03.660 puts women in that role dominantly was things like protectiveness protectiveness leadership is

04:51:11.340 often where men that would be something that we would call a masculinity yeah but the leadership and

04:51:15.740 mass organization what i'm this is exactly what i'm saying in fact so you're talking about minor

04:51:21.500 support rules for organization you're talking about things like nursing and child care things like

04:51:26.380 this no but when you're doing actual organization of men i'm talking about forms for which forms i'm

04:51:32.940 talking about like platonic forms yeah but why would you say platonic forms and then and then look at

04:51:37.660 modern civilization that's what you just cited sorry i i think i lost you there when i'm saying i'm

04:51:41.660 looking at platonic forms you're saying like yeah but women do this role and i'm saying that's not

04:51:45.100 what i'm talking about i'm talking about the emergent themes that societies ascribe to masculinity

04:51:50.620 versus and i'm telling you that those themes in line with masculinity definitely have to do with

04:51:57.820 the roles of massive armies and the organization of those massive armies the organizations of churches

04:52:03.820 the organizations of building of infrastructure the organizations of all these things these are

04:52:08.780 not forms these are things that men are doing in the patriarchy when we're talking about masculinity

04:52:13.100 we're talking about character traits typically we're talking about things like protectiveness

04:52:16.700 leadership aggression assertiveness is typically associated with masculinity whereas with femininity

04:52:21.900 it's typically empathy right um nurturance these are things that are attached to each of these

04:52:27.740 you can you can pop these with like this is how i attribute these things fine but what i'm saying is

04:52:33.740 that as a matter of record it is not the case that women really are the ones organizing anything in

04:52:39.740 society so if that's just the point that you want to uh add that as a feminine trait fine i'll concede

04:52:45.980 it just to move the conversation on literally but but when it's mapped onto reality that is not always

04:52:52.140 in the leadership and they always yeah so when we go back to the point then and we're talking about

04:52:56.860 when the men feels bad and the woman feels bad and how women and men both you know interact with how

04:53:03.420 men and women feel bad you can see why there'd be a distinction for how women judge men and how men

04:53:08.940 judge men oh for sure and why that would be necessary that men do show a bit less emotion

04:53:15.500 probably a lot less emotion that also one thing i found here in this podcast every single episode

04:53:21.740 i've watched this question usually gets asked do you want a more dominant man or a less dominant man

04:53:26.620 and you know what they all say i want a more dominant man and i want him to show less emotion

04:53:31.180 and i want him to show more leadership which is what you were saying and more virtues which is what

04:53:35.340 you were saying that's what they all say sure and i would agree with basically all of that the

04:53:40.380 point that i was trying to make is what tends to make people like when we look at the most

04:53:44.380 respect-worthy people i'm not sure if there's any like historical figures that you look up to

04:53:48.700 necessarily like jesus napoleon bonaparte

04:53:53.660 you just picked him because he's short okay you're trying to dig it in um on on this thread if you guys can

04:53:58.060 make uh like your each one sure sure i keep ending up and like just back and forth um that's boring

04:54:03.020 we got some more juicy stuff though so uh if you just if you didn't make your final points on this

04:54:07.340 we'll talk about drama after i promise okay um basically what i'm saying is if we look at like

04:54:12.060 some of the most respect-worthy characters that we look up to something like jesus for example i think

04:54:15.980 jesus is a great example for men to try to embody jesus has both got tons of masculine traits and feminine

04:54:23.420 traits and i think one of the most harmful things that feminism has often done not just feminism

04:54:28.380 but like the way that we've engaged with gender specifically is describing like men can only be

04:54:32.700 masculine and women can only be feminine ones like no healthy people tend to blend both of these things

04:54:37.100 and that's what makes you good which means like it's okay if men say like yeah social coordination with

04:54:41.580 people is a little bit more feminine it's just fine you're allowed to be like feminine and excel at

04:54:45.340 something that's fine yeah so some agreement and then mass disagreement so first of all these traits

04:54:51.580 that we're talking about are arbitrary so they're like if you're talking about courage wisdom things

04:54:56.140 like this could i pause i'm so sorry when you say arbitrary could you just make sure that i

04:54:59.740 understand what there's no real system for it there's no real system in order for doing this other

04:55:04.540 than like maybe subjective observations like what society emerges right the system is what society

04:55:10.620 you could say yeah you could say maybe something emergent but since there is no courage is not

04:55:15.740 masculine nor feminine right but we look to the extremes so what we're saying is is that we see it

04:55:21.100 most often here we see it most often there we see it most often with it that's why we assign the

04:55:26.220 traits this way so hang on i just let you go i let you just go okay so what i'm saying is that in

04:55:34.220 this particular case when we're looking at what i would consider to be masculine traits in the

04:55:38.780 patriarchy and things like this the reason that men probably should be very cautious about showing too

04:55:44.460 much emotion is because on the other end for those feminine traits they punish them greatly for doing it and i

04:55:50.220 don't blame them i don't you don't blame women i don't blame women no because i have as little

04:55:56.940 respect for those men as women do so well i think sorry we do we do have to move on but we got some

04:56:04.060 more interesting yeah we we got some more interesting stuff uh pixie were you able to answer i think you

04:56:08.700 wanted to give an example of how you were oppressed um oh well i was gonna ask you if you can first

04:56:13.180 define oh my god wait hold on hold on just a second

04:56:17.420 donated two hundred dollars panel equality or equity equality equal access to opportunity equity

04:56:25.340 opportunity based on circumstance sex do you hire lesbian pook with 3.5 gpa or white male with 4.0 gpa

04:56:34.620 okay jordan pederson from 2016 by the way thank you by the way modest thank you for doing that

04:56:41.020 during like a little transition period i i appreciate it glad that we didn't cut anybody

04:56:44.860 off that thank you man appreciate it um yeah you want me to define oppression yeah because it seems

04:56:50.700 like every single time that we start google it can we google it i mean i just yeah we can use the

04:56:55.260 google definition uh pro well the first one that comes up prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control

04:57:00.700 also the state of being subject to unjust treatment or control so i'd say both and

04:57:07.340 i would say both and that we could probably all agree it's both and could you just scoot your mic

04:57:11.740 that way just a tad yeah like i think probably you would agree to both one and two yeah i i think um

04:57:19.500 both are forms of both our definitions of oppression for sure are those satisfactory yeah i'm just

04:57:25.020 confused because earlier on in the conversation we were talking about like unjust treatment between

04:57:29.500 women or like how this can be one example or another i felt like you were saying like oh but

04:57:33.260 is that really oppression and it's like yeah if it's an unjust treatment or at least what we perceive

04:57:37.660 to be unjust maybe there's a deeper conversation there then it would fall under the category it's like

04:57:41.980 when i think of oppression it typically comes from like some like systematic oppression is that

04:57:47.340 what you mean like it's an institution but if something unjust happens to me it's not clear

04:57:52.620 if i'm being oppressed because you could have some unjust thing occur to you in a romantic

04:57:57.420 relationship that doesn't mean you're you're oppressed typically it seems like some sort of

04:58:01.500 top down oppression so you're saying it has to be structural that's why i'm trying to clarify because

04:58:07.420 so well now it could be multiple so it could be structural right that could be a way that it's done

04:58:14.060 yeah but it could be group based that doesn't have like a big massive structure so like i would say

04:58:19.580 gang activity would be oppressive right yeah it just can't be underscore easy donated two hundred

04:58:24.940 dollars well there's dominance and authority and diplomacy and empathy which shouldn't be

04:58:30.060 confused it's true well put well put in any case

04:58:36.460 i guess whatever your sense of oppression is i guess um what how do you feel you're oppressed and

04:58:41.900 we won't linger here too long but okay um i think in at least an institutional level there has

04:58:47.820 been like multiple studies conducted where it seems that it's regardless of your qualifications

04:58:53.100 regardless if you're even like more qualified for a position if you have like a female sounding name

04:58:57.420 or a female looking name or whatever um you are less likely to be seen as competent or less likely to

04:59:02.540 be hired for the job compared to your male confidence i'm just curious who conducted those studies was it

04:59:06.540 a feminist studies program that already that had already determined what the answer to the study would

04:59:13.260 be before conducting that's not how most studies are conducted of course wait that happens all the

04:59:19.500 time you go in with a bias and you're seeking yeah but the whole the whole point of at least the studies

04:59:25.580 that i'm citing right is that in general you have the experimental design right where they decide like

04:59:32.620 okay how are we going to measure this okay we're going to put um let's say two resumes um one more

04:59:37.580 qualified than the other we're going to blank the names and then see like which ones the professors pick

04:59:42.060 over and over again right or which ones the professors lean more towards now we're going to give them

04:59:46.220 the same sample or the same studies a little bit later um but we're going to unblank the names and

04:59:50.940 then if they're picking the ones that are like male more despite before doing that reverse well that

04:59:56.300 does show like some level of bias okay um saint underscore easy donated two hundred dollars

05:00:03.180 how is it stupid did somebody say i'm agreeing with you i laughed and said it's stupid oh i

05:00:07.980 i mean like there's four words it's like yeah that's well i guess what's happening in that study

05:00:12.700 let's assume that it's that study is valid is it actually applicable to what's going on in the real

05:00:20.620 world and also i guess a counterpoint to that is well what about affirmative action because that that

05:00:26.460 seems that that's something that is actually happening that is provably happening yeah so to my

05:00:33.580 understanding like affirmative action when it usually takes place it's like you have two um

05:00:38.380 what is it two resumes that are equally qualified and then one like goes to like the minority group

05:00:43.180 basically um that isn't represented in your company enough or whatever um do women benefit from

05:00:49.420 affirmative action um they have in the past but i think it's been like overstated how much they benefit

05:00:55.020 by um basically at least from the stuff i've read like even if you have like a person or a company

05:01:01.500 not saying like oh yeah like we're pro affirmative action like that's what we want that's what we're

05:01:05.180 going to do that doesn't necessarily translate to reality um you can see this a lot like stem or

05:01:09.900 engineering jobs where you do have women who are like in these like highly qualified fields or positions

05:01:15.260 um that are still seen as like less competent than their counterparts or in addition to this if you want

05:01:20.140 to talk about other systems of oppression um if you want to see like what rates why women drop out of

05:01:26.140 said stem fields that said some said stem job um a lot of it does correlate to like sexual harassment in

05:01:32.540 the field or the chances of them being like again like diminished because of their sex so it doesn't

05:01:37.500 like that's another form i guess that you can argue about oppression that even in highly qualified fields

05:01:42.620 women are still more likely to experience um sexual harassment or demeaning to their counterparts

05:01:48.140 but but isn't it also true that sexual harassment that men experience goes far less reported than

05:01:56.380 the sexual harassment that women experience yes but even we're talking about like pure numbers wise it

05:02:02.220 seems like just in these fields in general um the more men that you have in a field the more likely a

05:02:09.420 woman in that field is going to get like sexually harassed yeah i mean but that's just that's just the odds

05:02:13.660 of addition right so every new man that you add in increases the the chances that something like

05:02:18.620 that will happen yeah but then it also seems that like when the numbers are like 50 50 or whatever

05:02:23.500 women like 50 50 male 50 women women are still reporting even like in private surveys right like

05:02:29.580 let's just say like anonymous survey data like that um higher rates of sexual harassment than oh yeah

05:02:35.100 even though it's not again that could easily be offset by the fact that men report that they're sexually

05:02:40.380 harassed far less yeah but we're not we're not talking about like official uh they don't need

05:02:45.420 to be official they still report it less even if it's not official men a part of the issue is that

05:02:50.540 men often don't see something as sexually harassing that a woman would right so like

05:02:54.460 a lot of women will make like weird comments about a guy's ass or something like that

05:02:58.060 um and they wouldn't necessarily report that sexual harassment but a woman might so that there's

05:03:02.940 there's a really big issue in like subjective reporting when it comes to like who's going to report

05:03:07.900 what because most men will probably not but you would agree with me that if the same behavior

05:03:14.700 that a woman does to a man and a man does to a woman which the woman would perceive or most

05:03:19.580 women would perceive as sexual harassment or essay uh or not essay sexual harassment and then

05:03:26.220 the flip side to that is that if that same behavior is given towards a man he just doesn't

05:03:31.660 perceive it that way that doesn't mean it isn't right oh i i fully agree with you there's a really

05:03:36.540 interesting study actually about um i think it was the cdc who was talking about like one in three

05:03:41.260 women have experienced like sexual assault or something like that but when you actually looked

05:03:44.780 at the study when they asked men um they didn't include for men that if a woman forcibly sits on

05:03:50.460 you while you're erect that that is considered sexual assault and so when they actually updated that it

05:03:55.020 turned out that the rates of sexual assault between both genders was a lot closer because men were like

05:03:59.260 i had no idea that that was right i was just gonna like well i mean so that would necessarily go far

05:04:04.780 less reported then oh inside of all of these types of things so when you're talking about this i can

05:04:10.300 kind of really point to something in in this control that would be very difficult for you to compensate

05:04:16.220 for which is how do you control for that okay even if i grant you that right there does seem to be

05:04:21.420 like when it comes to um what is it like let's say other forms of like sexual discrimination whether

05:04:27.180 it's like rates of promotion um or just straight up just seen as like competency it does seem that just

05:04:32.780 having like a male sounding name does give you yeah but i got a refutation for this too and this

05:04:38.620 is something that i found uh there was very similar studies done on black hiring versus white hiring

05:04:46.620 right and so here's what they found if you sent in a name that had like a black sounding name versus

05:04:52.780 a white sounding name they would look at the um you know the the names of the the white people more

05:04:59.500 than the black sounding name okay so that kind of rolls into the same type of thing that you're

05:05:03.980 talking about but here's what was interesting about the controls for that study what they didn't do is

05:05:09.260 sent do the experiment in reverse and send in the black sounding name and then the like low class white

05:05:14.620 sounding names like bubba cletus things like that had they introduced that control the study would

05:05:21.740 maybe have been completely different so this same control apparatus might apply here when you're

05:05:27.740 talking about female names versus male names there could be that there's a lot of low class sounding

05:05:33.980 female names and they used far more of those than they did you know the uh higher class male sounding

05:05:41.020 names for instance or something like this so unless i saw the control i'd never be able to determine that

05:05:46.860 just like they didn't introduce the control the other way in the racial studies yeah well put i do have to

05:05:53.500 move it on um i i had a question um in our last uh if i recall going to you and we'll open this to the

05:06:05.420 entire panel here dating podcast by the way um well actually that i feel like that's probably really

05:06:14.460 pertinent oh not not that conversation you're having but what i'm about to get into oh um oh no this is a

05:06:20.700 politics podcast i guess uh i i don't want to misquote you but if i recall i think you said that

05:06:26.940 you cannot be sexist against men is that correct um and you can't be racist against white people

05:06:35.180 yeah so when we when we came to the understand the mutual understanding well you gotta hear this one

05:06:41.260 go ahead go ahead go ahead go ahead um we came to the mutual understanding of like the definition

05:06:51.180 of racism and sexism in this context so um it it was um power and what was the other word that you had

05:07:01.020 used well so so my that that wasn't my definition but we provided that because you were seeking the

05:07:10.460 definition of uh sexism is prejudice plus power yeah racism is prejudice the clarification that

05:07:17.340 was given to your question yeah so your question was how do you see it and brian said i see it as

05:07:22.620 uh prejudice plus power is then then is that what you mean and you said yeah that's what i mean okay

05:07:27.580 i don't agree with that definition though but okay well then i appreciate you for you know providing

05:07:32.700 that definition because i think it's a good one when we're talking about sexism and racism in this

05:07:36.860 context i think that you know people can have prejudices like a white person or a black person

05:07:41.580 can have prejudice against white people as a matter of fact they do have prejudice against white people

05:07:46.700 because you know it's generational okay so but here i'll just ask the questions and you i guess you can

05:07:51.820 say yes or no can you be racist against a white person no can you be sexist against men no okay i won't

05:08:00.780 go around the table on this because why not but i will come back to that pixie your answer yeah you can

05:08:05.180 be racist towards white people and you can totally be sexist towards men okay or actually let's hold

05:08:10.860 on i'm gonna ask you two actually i'll ask you go ahead i don't really feel you can be racist towards

05:08:16.700 white people but i feel like you prejudice towards men no i feel like you can be prejudiced sexist

05:08:23.900 against men yeah yes but you can't be racist against white people i mean i feel like there's probably

05:08:32.220 like extreme examples but it's just i just don't feel comfortable feeling like with that i don't

05:08:36.780 feel like i feel like that word holds so much weight that is harder for a white person to experience but

05:08:41.420 there's definitely probably like situations okay what about you i think you can can you be racist

05:08:51.500 against white people can you be sexist against men that's a hard question you can be sexist towards

05:08:57.820 men towards men okay yes and um can you be racist against white people um no okay uh alexa what about

05:09:13.340 you yes to both yes to both uh nala can you be racist against white people can you be sexist against

05:09:19.980 men um you cannot i mean yes you can be racist towards white people i think it goes with anyone

05:09:26.140 okay ethnically um sexist towards men absolutely absolutely what about you uh yeah obviously yes wait

05:09:34.380 can i change my answer can you change your answer what's your new answer based on the consensus of the

05:09:41.340 table what was your original answer what no what change your answer how i think i think you can be

05:09:47.900 racist towards white people i think obviously it it really depends on what sure now my follow-up

05:09:55.660 question is for those of you who said no to either um wouldn't it be racist and or sexist to simply

05:10:04.540 state that you cannot be racist against a white person or that you cannot be sexist against men

05:10:11.340 i think it's just a perspective i because i don't mean i don't but well okay if you say you can't be

05:10:17.660 racist against white people you are saying that white people do not face any sort of discrimination or

05:10:25.420 prejudice due to their race ergo you've made some sort of judgment call about white people which to me

05:10:35.740 would be would be racist so that type of judgment made towards white people wouldn't be one of like

05:10:41.420 a bias and judging of their character so the way that i'm envisioning uh racism and you know in this

05:10:50.220 example is um having biases and then having those biases or okay having biases against the character

05:10:59.420 simply because of race and then having those biases impact these groups of people on a systemic

05:11:07.740 basis or level um so me thinking that people or you can't be racist to white people it's just

05:11:18.220 it's not saying that you can't be prejudiced against white people because i already stated that i think

05:11:22.060 black people and other people of color do have a lot of prejudice against white people i think that exists

05:11:26.460 but i don't think that at least in america from what i understand in america um white people are not

05:11:32.860 oppressed systemically and they do not experience systemic racism what about white women i thought you

05:11:40.140 said earlier you said women were oppressed so so but they're not oppressed because of their race

05:11:47.900 they're oppressed because of their gender so there's a lot of intersectional issues and they kind of

05:11:52.540 overlap like a white uh disabled person can be oppressed because they're just so intersectionality

05:11:57.340 and yeah um yes do you have a like a explanation when it comes to why you think you can't be racist

05:12:04.300 against white people i mean because it's kind of like just like what she was saying like it's systemic

05:12:08.940 against other races like with white people it's like people think you're corny they're like certainly

05:12:13.100 i feel like this ain't like the the type of things you're going to face are going to be more like

05:12:17.020 in social situations versus like if you're a person of color it goes down way deeper than just

05:12:22.780 social situations it's systemic okay um so

05:12:30.940 and was it just you who thinks i think you said you could be sexist you can be sexist against men

05:12:35.740 correct or i thought it was just you i think it might have been just me

05:12:41.020 i don't did i say you could be sexist towards men can you be sexist against men

05:12:49.260 i mean like actually yes now that i think about it yes now that i think of examples yes so wait

05:12:55.420 question people say men can't get raped and shit like that which i think is

05:12:58.300 wait you wait you think men hold on when people say that i think that's an awful thing to say

05:13:04.300 that's that was the thing in my head it's awful for people to say that

05:13:08.380 wait i'm a little confused that men can't get s-aid and stuff like that do you believe that men

05:13:12.060 can't get s-aid no they can't they definitely can and they do um that's fine so i have a question so

05:13:18.540 can a can a black person they can't be racist against a white person

05:13:25.260 like i just that's for both of you oh yeah okay could prejudice a

05:13:29.500 could a latino person be racist against a white person no can an asian person be racist against a

05:13:38.940 white person can i oh so okay can for this conversation are you saying asian americans

05:13:45.580 despite being minorities have power and and i can only speak on in the u.s like okay well okay well

05:13:52.940 there are asian americans and latino americans you know i was just saying black americans but okay

05:13:58.620 can blacks be racist can black people be racist against asian people i think it's a different

05:14:05.420 type of racism because black people do not have the power to um uphold that racism against asian

05:14:12.300 people the most it would be would be a bias or color you realize how racist that is to say right

05:14:17.260 totally just to say black people can't do anything like it's like what like i'm sorry what's is there

05:14:25.020 something genetically off with black people that they like can't manage to like navigate like where's

05:14:30.300 this line of reasoning go it's so racist to be like black people cannot i know that you're talking

05:14:34.460 about like a group but it's just like bigotry of low expectation is still racism it's still a

05:14:40.380 problem it's not okay yeah and i understand that point um but i don't think that's what i'm trying

05:14:46.300 to say and i apologize if i'm saying it wrong um or like in a way that is not effectively

05:14:52.460 communicating what i am trying to say i can ask what what i'm sorry black people are capable of

05:14:57.020 doing things like duh just because they are i mean like oh i know that's what i'm saying um are okay

05:15:06.700 are latinos cape are are asian can asian people be racist against black people i'm going to say yes

05:15:15.100 because it's interesting that you're quicker to say that asians can be racist against black people

05:15:20.140 but black people can't be a racist against asians that's interesting because that's because of the

05:15:25.100 level of information that i have um and our knowledge that i have um but i do think i don't know if i

05:15:33.100 would call it racist from what i understand it is more colorist so um asian people from what i understand

05:15:38.780 again um have cultural biases that lead them to prefer fairer skin culturally and you know um

05:15:48.220 they have more maybe respect for fairer skin than darker skin so if you notice like in asian culture

05:15:54.460 um the lower income people or communities i guess have darker skin tones and then the wealthier

05:16:01.420 communities have fairer skin tones so like they still like skin beaching products and certain

05:16:06.940 things yeah so that's more colorist it's you know more based on like the actual instead of the race

05:16:14.540 itself it's just the color because you're like a dark asian person is still asian just to ask you

05:16:21.820 okay just ask you the same question like do you can black people can a black person be racist against

05:16:26.620 the white person because i feel like it's like if a white person being racist was a black person it's

05:16:31.500 like the reason worse like when like okay like when she was talking about like in uh like how asian

05:16:38.620 people like there's the colorism in the communities where their skin bleaching and it's kind of seen

05:16:41.980 as more attractive to be fair like obviously as a black person if you see that in their culture like

05:16:46.140 you can kind of assume that same logic is going to apply onto you so i'm not saying that justifies

05:16:49.900 racism but i'm saying i feel like the basis of like black people being you know maybe wanting to date

05:16:56.380 within their race is because they've seen maybe people of um white or asian families having very

05:17:01.740 racist parents or you know fetishizing them or certain things versus like the reason that they

05:17:06.780 might be more um like hesitant to to do that see like the reason for it is like not just some random

05:17:14.380 general hate it's because of the racism they've experienced themselves it's like a defense can i ask a

05:17:19.900 question can a black person be racist towards an asian person i mean yeah yeah yeah but who has the

05:17:30.140 institutional power i feel like definitely like asian people more they would have the institutional

05:17:37.180 power which institutions which institutions do you think that asians are overrepresented in

05:17:42.540 and and and and have the power and are using that power to systemically oppress black people

05:17:48.940 i mean i agree that i feel like a black person can be racist against an asian person but i feel like

05:17:53.340 they just yeah but if the argument is whites can't be or blacks can't be racist to whites because

05:18:00.460 whites have the institutional systemic power okay then in this case i say can blacks be racist towards

05:18:07.020 asians you say yes but then when i ask you who has the power you say that people have the systemic

05:18:13.420 power in that situation in the asians so how come they can be racist to the asians but i can't be

05:18:19.980 racist to the whites if one has the power in one scenario versus the other one there's probably

05:18:24.860 hang on hang on just hear me out if one has the power in one scenario they can be racist towards them

05:18:29.820 and if they another one has a power in the same exact scenario they can't be racist that makes no

05:18:34.860 sense i feel like it's more of a prejudice hang on hang on i'm almost done it's a performative

05:18:38.300 contradiction it's an actual contradiction in real time that you just showed us what you should do

05:18:45.020 immediately after seeing that has abandoned that entire world view it makes no sense i mean i feel

05:18:52.380 like i guess the reason i guess we would say prejudice instead of racist is i feel like it's just kind of

05:18:57.180 like like like we like what we said or did you have more andrew or no i think that's enough okay

05:19:05.180 um here's a question um let's say me as a white man right privilege male privilege white privilege

05:19:13.660 okay the way they like to stop asian hate on tinder and stuff so quickly when it took so long they passed

05:19:17.900 a bill for that like that when covet happened and like how long did it take for them to do that like or

05:19:22.780 i don't think they've even done that for black people like that's kind of an example for them having

05:19:26.540 more systemic power like they passed this like a stop asian hate bill very quickly i'm not familiar

05:19:33.500 with the with i i heard about the bill but um if i went to if i went to uh china would uh

05:19:43.900 in that scenario can i can a chinese person be racist against me saint underscore easy donated 200

05:19:51.580 dollars black ppa can be racist against white ppa but being racist isn't beneficial in most industries

05:19:59.020 and in a capitalist society as a whole racism isn't exactly a powerful trait maybe in entertainment

05:20:06.140 it's not even that powerful there um so if i went to china would in that scenario could the

05:20:12.060 chinese people be racist against me if there have been um

05:20:22.460 nick can you hide that you can reach higher on the wall so no

05:20:29.900 honestly i'm not 100 sure because like i said i really only

05:20:33.660 i have a somewhat of an understanding about racism in america and honestly that's coming from well hold on

05:20:38.780 but so in china all positions i would assume all positions in the government are occupied by

05:20:45.820 people who are chinese i don't suspect there are any white people any for example in the u.s

05:20:52.060 there's probably there's some asian americans in congress there's there's any but let's just say

05:20:56.780 the vast vast majority what city you go to wait so that has i think it has more to do with um

05:21:03.980 nationality so like there's all chinese people in the nat in the chinese government because

05:21:09.660 it's china like does that and like we only have perhaps perhaps this is a poor argument on my

05:21:16.380 does wait so do chinese people or asian people as a race only exist in the united states if they exist

05:21:23.740 in the united states that's now when they're considered a race are they considered a race also

05:21:29.340 well then if they're considered a race there too and you're still considered a race in china too

05:21:34.460 then if the chinese have all the institutional power and they are racially profiling or doing

05:21:40.460 any number then that would be racist right yes okay perfect so okay if i went to china

05:21:47.340 can and became a resident in china and like had a uh no because wait so let's say let's say there

05:21:54.300 wait so i have to be you you need right through the turnstile

05:21:57.820 you went right through the turnstile and the second the second you did they were like hey round

05:22:02.780 eye or something like that and you were like what and something overtly crazy like that right that would

05:22:09.260 be would that be considered from from racism towards you so you're saying white people can't be racist

05:22:14.780 towards like illegal immigrants for example no i just think it's different like in the u.s i'm saying

05:22:20.460 like a mexican uh illegal immigrant you couldn't be racist towards them because they're not a citizen of

05:22:26.220 no you can't okay but so if i go i go to china i go to china i'm a white man can the

05:22:34.860 could i experience racism in china from i assume chinese people i'm gonna give you an example wait

05:22:42.460 let her answer in place if there's social structures in place that perpetuate that then yes

05:22:47.180 yes um okay okay i was gonna what about you do you think i think you could yeah i mean like i don't

05:22:54.780 know what it too much about what it is like out there but i definitely believe that they could yeah

05:22:59.340 if you're you're a minority and over there if what about if i went to kenya

05:23:06.220 if i went if i went to kenya okay so i think you would um the answer would be yes if if you have

05:23:12.540 like a work visa there right and you're applying to jobs and you're not or you're

05:23:18.780 you're trying to work there and you're getting continuously rejected from jobs or mistreated in

05:23:25.020 jobs simply because you're white then yes that would be what if i'm just a tourist no let's say

05:23:29.660 in the middle east like okay let's say when me and my friends who are like my friends who are white

05:23:34.700 come right we go out to the club and there's a bunch of arab people there or whatever right and

05:23:40.460 a white guy starts smoking hookah and the the arab guys start like you know just chatting at him like

05:23:49.420 oh well you know they're being raped like they're like you're white you can't smoke you're you know

05:23:54.540 blah blah blah like saying that that's not because he's trying to work there or blah blah it's literally

05:23:59.020 just because he's there he's there you feel me like i think that's what you know okay so i think

05:24:06.060 that it definitely comes with the the definition that we've been or that we kind of talked about

05:24:12.220 brushed up up brushed up upon the racism that i'm mostly referring to and trying to you know place

05:24:17.820 emphasis on is systemic and is coming from a place of power or um yeah a place of power and majority um

05:24:26.300 um well i mean it doesn't need to be a majority for it to be power though

05:24:33.340 not necessarily i'm just saying okay so then one person is racist if one person of a group is racist

05:24:40.460 that means like what is that what you're trying to say like if only one like person that doesn't

05:24:47.100 mean the whole group is racist no that's not what i'm trying to say okay you're trying to say i think

05:24:51.660 she's trying to like say that she's trying to like speak of system system systemic oh my god racism but

05:24:59.260 we're talking about can you just can one like can can a group be racist towards another group that's

05:25:04.300 literally the question can other races be racist towards a white person period not in any sort of

05:25:13.820 situation just in general in general if you were to go let's say you want to go to tokyo all right and

05:25:23.420 you were walking around could they be racist towards you

05:25:32.940 saint underscore easy donated two hundred dollars okay brian we get it enjoy your white male privilege

05:25:40.620 all right there you have it thank you thank you saint reese here we got another

05:25:45.420 wait so was that a yes or no that was yes okay okay all right we'll move we'll move on we'll move on

05:25:50.460 uh hold on we got a couple more things guys i'm gonna just pull up this chat here while it's kind

05:25:55.180 of relevant today's the only time so many one percenters have claimed to be oppressed i'm 32 in biotech

05:26:00.140 make six figures without a degree been homeless and beat cancer good for you wow dude you're

05:26:04.860 fucking legends thank you joshua uh bot he's also by can be small spoon hello celebrated one year

05:26:12.700 anniversary with woman in stem blonde is indoctrinated and dumb yeah don't shoot the messenger that's his

05:26:20.060 words i i disavow disavow i think a lot of words are coming i think a lot of what she's trying to say

05:26:27.260 is getting lost and you know and sometimes when you're on the spot something's come out wrong did

05:26:33.900 last show did you say that white people don't have culture no i didn't say the other one that

05:26:39.180 was the other does anyone here think white people do you think white people don't have culture

05:26:43.660 what the fuck do you mean by hold on no no no no no i mean like there's

05:26:49.900 i've you know there's white well there's like a million different types of white people so yeah

05:26:54.380 of course but i've often heard this i mean andrew was on the show uh two days ago i think we've heard

05:27:00.300 this frequently uh that there was like four of them who said that say white people don't have

05:27:06.300 culture oh i saw that do you have yet well does anybody agree with that just show of hands i don't

05:27:12.060 understand what the what what do you mean by white do black people have culture yes do white people

05:27:17.420 have culture yeah i don't know what you mean by white culture okay because let me put i'm gonna put it

05:27:21.260 this way i'm gonna put it very simple right the only reason why we have this concept of like black culture

05:27:26.940 is because it came from like a very unique set of circumstances in the united states that yes like

05:27:32.620 it all came from a very unique set of circumstances andrew please thank you okay so for example like

05:27:39.660 black culture in the united states basically a lot of it originates from like slave like slavery

05:27:44.940 breaking out the sisters of oppression then like jim crow basically like a whole bunch of cultures

05:27:49.500 surrounding that specifically um some people when they say white culture what they're referring to is

05:27:53.820 like european culture which sure i can grant that but through the united states history like the

05:27:58.940 concept of white has changed a lot so for example there was a certain point in time where irish people

05:28:03.340 weren't considered white where italians weren't considered white where germans weren't considered

05:28:07.500 white so it seems like in the united states in particular this concept of white culture has like

05:28:12.060 just like kept on like increasing or adding on so it's like even now you see it with latinos where

05:28:17.020 they're saying like oh no like you know like latinos are white you know as well so it just seems like this

05:28:22.460 concept of like white i'm hispanic by the way but that's like a whole other side handed yeah no

05:28:27.580 yeah but there are people saying that so the whole point is like this idea of like white culture in

05:28:34.700 the united states it's like a very weird and complicated question i think if somebody says oh

05:28:38.860 yeah there is white culture like look at european culture like those people aren't really claiming

05:28:43.660 themselves as white first like you go to the uk they're gonna say like they know i'm like british first

05:28:49.020 like white or french like they're gonna say like no i'm french not white per se so that's why i'm

05:28:54.620 kind of confused about the question itself so white american or like is that it's white american can you

05:29:00.140 say american culture in the context of white can you say that there's a white american culture yeah i

05:29:06.860 would agree with that that's why i was just asking the clarifying question because i wasn't like you can

05:29:10.380 go european you can go american but there's still white culture in multiple facets okay i could give a hot

05:29:16.380 take that i think everyone will hate me for bring it bring it yeah let's hear it okay so uh i think

05:29:22.780 the reason why liberals are often so hesitant to admit that there's a white culture is because it's

05:29:26.300 like the dominant cultural hegemon that basically we just say these are good traits in a person and

05:29:30.540 it's actually like kind of this weird form of like white supremacy where we like dismiss anything as

05:29:34.540 being white culture because they're like no that's just a good thing and it's like it yeah cultures can

05:29:39.660 have good things in them but it's also white like being like really into like certain types of like

05:29:45.340 uh yoga and avocado toast with you well even more than that like california this like thing this

05:29:52.380 like hyper obsession for example with like kind of like protestant work ethic this isn't to say that

05:29:56.540 other cultures don't have like orientations like for example like the chinese culture has a very

05:30:01.260 intense work ethic culture but it has a completely different background in the way that it plays out

05:30:05.820 like our obsession with work ethic in white america is just part of white culture but when i say that

05:30:11.820 most white liberals are like black people work hard too and it's like black people can just

05:30:16.220 participate in white cultural norms that's fine we just don't think white culture exists because we

05:30:20.620 don't want to admit that it's the the cultural hegemon meaning like the most common culture sorry

05:30:25.420 okay okay all right and it's white supremacist so then yeah so the answer would be yes there's white

05:30:30.300 culture yeah okay all right well we will not we don't gotta get too far in that we have samantha savage

05:30:37.100 thank you brian would you return the money if you had bankrupted a viewer through super chats

05:30:41.660 can tts be a form of fin dom as you will only hear somebody's statement if they pay for you

05:30:46.940 whoa am i engaged in s work yes oh my god um i do think it's a bit different though it's certainly

05:30:55.820 a bit different what if they're masturbating while they're paying money yeah you don't know

05:30:59.660 you might really like you yeah oh no no no when you're talking about how like these guys are like

05:31:06.860 gross and pathetic like i'm 99 sure there's a guy donating me like yes there's someone in the

05:31:11.900 chat right now between his legs tell me more tell me daddy they do they do the uh ahi ahi gal face

05:31:22.860 right you're getting close yeah demonstration we're getting a little demo or oh my god okay i'm sorry

05:31:33.260 i'm sorry i'm sorry chad that was how you don't like that i was soliciting any chance you get all

05:31:39.660 right so the viewer number increases by like 500 we have uh nickelodeon i get it now blondie's an ai

05:31:45.660 robot that only has liberal tweets to draw her knowledge and responses from i don't have twitter

05:31:49.740 she doesn't have twitter also that's leftist not liberal just to be clear all right okay i want to

05:31:53.260 claim the liberals we're based and cool all right i mean no but we're based you can you can still you

05:31:59.100 can still have them there you have it um oh okay uh wait okay last thing with you so the last time

05:32:05.580 you were on did you i think i asked you what do you think of men did i ask that question um i don't

05:32:13.020 think you asked me that or you asked me do i hate men i said i hate patriarchal structures um okay yeah

05:32:20.780 it's pretty okay pretty i don't hate men i find myself quite fond of them okay all right no that's

05:32:28.620 fine that's fine all right uh let's get into some uh juicy stuff here all right you're gonna make up

05:32:34.860 trans stuff again aren't you yeah finally so i have a couple questions then i'll let you guys

05:32:39.900 change underscore easy donated two hundred dollars i wonder which side brian would be on in the american

05:32:46.140 civil war i'm not american but i know enough about american culture to know that didn't really

05:32:51.580 fly wait i'm confused is he saying i'd be a confederate is that he's asking which he's asking

05:32:57.500 which side uh i would be on the the the the union like the anti-slavery side yeah the union you're

05:33:04.780 such a good liberal yeah slavery is bad i feel like that's it wait andrew hold on you disagree

05:33:15.180 andrew was shaking his head and disagreeing like how could you go oh wait maybe i don't know if we

05:33:19.180 want to go well because you're shaking your head no when he was saying slavery was bad so i was curious

05:33:24.140 well so no i mean i would have taken the other side but it had nothing to do with slavery so what

05:33:30.300 does it have to do oh god okay i don't know if they will say states rights but state states rights

05:33:34.700 to do what yeah well states rights to be sovereign to own slaves okay well like that was the main

05:33:41.420 number one thing let's assume for a second that the states all wanted to become sovereign because

05:33:48.540 they looked up and they didn't like the shape of the union clouds right and so that's why they rebelled

05:33:54.860 would that have been okay that would have been much more okay then right so why would that have been

05:33:59.420 okay what whatever the reason is for why they wanted sovereignty they could be wrong in the

05:34:04.220 reasons but still right in wanting the sovereignty absolutely not if you want sovereignty so that you

05:34:09.100 can get away with human rights abuses like your son no no you didn't even hear what i said yeah

05:34:13.260 you're saying the reason no no no listen to my question again can a person have the wrong reasons

05:34:18.780 why they want to do the right thing yeah but that's not now answer my question yes but that's not

05:34:23.580 okay so in this case i can admit and fully say nope i'm against slavery slavery is bad and i don't

05:34:30.780 think that they should have rebelled over or that should have been the crux of the reasoning and i

05:34:35.420 don't even think it was but assuming that it was you could still say yeah that's bad that they

05:34:41.340 wanted to remain retain that institution but if they wanted to break away from the union that's not

05:34:46.460 bad what do you think it's bad but i'm still gonna do it that's not what i'm saying we shouldn't we

05:34:52.060 shouldn't like there can be good reasons yeah there can be good reasons for civil war and bad reasons

05:34:56.060 for civil war and we can denounce the civil war for bad reasons and be like yeah this is a good civil

05:35:00.140 war and then there can be good reasons that you know they had which were justified remember that

05:35:04.940 in the north right there was a copperhead movement to try to get slavery abolished because

05:35:09.740 the union itself did not want to let them go so like it's really not as easy as you seem to think it is

05:35:16.140 no i'm pretty sure that we go to like basically every single um declaration of independence during

05:35:21.500 that time when those states every single every yeah no like basically each state when they were

05:35:27.260 seceding from the union had a little declaration where they're like this is why we're seceding from

05:35:31.820 the union and every single one of them mentioned the right to own slaves right i'm not joking we can

05:35:37.020 pull this up so here's the thing though again i can i can see your liberal ass said some silly stuff

05:35:46.140 uh andrew make a final point and then i'm going to move away from the civil war so my suggestion is

05:35:51.980 that you can go watch a guy named ryan dawson who gives a complete breakdown of this he's a brilliant

05:35:57.740 historian when it comes to the civil war he says that there's tons of socioeconomic reasons that were

05:36:02.540 behind it that had nothing at all to do with slavery that the north didn't even want slaves to go which

05:36:07.020 is absolutely true and the list goes on and on and on highly suggest that you inform yourself a little bit

05:36:12.380 better on it okay yeah my final statement yeah okay yeah okay bring it um you're pro at the point

05:36:18.780 at this point in time um especially when the civil war was about to start the union seemed to be a very

05:36:25.500 strong agreement that slavery had to go it was in the process of going well you know what the other

05:36:31.100 confederate states were like hell no we have to keep this institution no matter what and you know what

05:36:35.900 you can like literally go read every single state that seceded from the union the reasons why they did it

05:36:41.100 and all of them the number one reason they mentioned was yes we believe that we should

05:36:45.100 be able to still own slaves stop it stop it get some help okay let's get back into the juicy stuff

05:36:52.380 okay so uh i think this is this is bringing it back to so sort of like the use with what is a woman you

05:37:00.700 said it's oh gosh it's what again someone who identifies okay okay so i have a couple questions

05:37:08.460 and then i'll just let you guys get into it so question this is related to dating okay i'm

05:37:12.460 going to relate it to dating and then if you guys want to get into the the weeds or whatever that's

05:37:16.940 fine um my first question is uh to you pixie yes is a transgender woman a female um biologically no

05:37:28.300 okay anybody else okay um all right that's out of the way uh okay oh god it's medical okay um so

05:37:39.340 can a male become a female um if you're talking about pure biology no if we're talking about social

05:37:46.780 construction then yeah well you're talking about men and women you i'm confused he said male and female

05:37:52.860 okay okay so we're keeping this to straight we're actually i'm talking sex not gender okay then yeah

05:37:58.700 no okay uh questions so relating it to dating now uh if if a man sorry excuse me hold on i gotta use

05:38:07.980 the precise terms if a male was no actually well okay hold on i'm trying to think the best way this is

05:38:16.780 it's very confusing your words right it's very confusing uh a male was who who uh is not

05:38:23.740 transgender uh was s-ing the d of a transgender woman who has a penis so and you see a video i don't

05:38:35.740 know what s is it oh sucking the peen okay okay choking i don't know what i don't know what other

05:38:41.900 okay giving the sloppy there you go thank you very much look look 9 000

05:38:50.540 yes so you were selling one of those right sorry oh god that's another conversation that's another

05:38:55.660 that's a whole nother conversation so uh would that be would it be gay i'm kind of lost the plot

05:39:06.380 after okay okay so i can frame it easy super trans woman's dick is it kind of gay oh is that gay i

05:39:11.980 think that's up to the individual to basically decide their orientation i think a lot of people

05:39:16.540 and i would probably be of the opinion that like you know i think genitalia is more directly

05:39:22.860 related to like sexual orientation but i'm not going to be like hey but it's megan fox it's megan

05:39:28.940 fox looks looks like megan fox it's a transgender woman that look that's just as physically attractive

05:39:35.500 as megan fox but has like just a a goal of just it used to be matthew fox and a guy is just

05:39:44.060 going luck luck 9 000 thank you what's going on here thank you honestly i'm not sure i feel like what

05:39:51.340 is it would it be gay i'm not okay let me can i can i ask you a similar question because this is

05:39:56.540 you're asking me a question yes i'm asking you a question she has to answer your question yeah no

05:39:59.660 no no no no because i'm trying to get i'm trying to get a framework here i know you want to come

05:40:03.180 in wait you could just do you think it would be straight yeah um for a man to basically um

05:40:10.220 do the lickety lick i don't know on a hulk hogan who has a vagina sorry so when you say hulk hogan

05:40:18.780 it's a female that looks like but just it's like yeah everything ever no like it looks yes that

05:40:24.780 would be heterosexual that would be that would be more gay no i think yeah not only if the term

05:40:31.820 doesn't suck megan fox's dick is a little gay but it's less gay than sucking joe rogan's based on

05:40:37.340 what just some arbitrary analysis just entirely it's based on nothing if you're sucking a dick and

05:40:44.540 grabbing a tinny it's a little bit less gay than if you're sucking a dick and grabbing his chest hair

05:40:49.020 you know no but it's when he says gay he means homosexual i know exactly what he's saying okay

05:40:55.900 so then how could it ever be homosexual to have sex with a woman if you're a heterosexual man i said

05:41:00.940 i have a question do you think it's gay for a guy to let girls peg him yeah but then how is it but

05:41:07.340 isn't that the definition i didn't say it was homosexual i didn't say it's gay yeah that's what

05:41:11.500 i'm not gay that's the whole thing i'm doing exactly that's why we have our criteria exactly

05:41:18.620 andrew wins the podcast wait he just gave me my point i wouldn't know i weren't no i was just

05:41:25.740 saying gay in the way you're exactly saying it which is like yeah if you're like into a girl that

05:41:29.740 looks like hulk hogan what i did was i used i used what your analysis was in order to answer that

05:41:35.340 question and i made it funny because i'm awesome yeah it was a beast that's how that works

05:41:41.180 is it gay or not to let a woman peg you i don't understand do you think it's gay to let a woman peg

05:41:45.580 you yeah but it's a girl sexual but it's not homosexual homosexual there's different

05:41:57.020 you wanted to come in go ahead um if the man likes sucking the dick he is enjoying a homosexual

05:42:04.700 activity but like definition homosexual he's a homo he's but let's be careful just be careful

05:42:13.580 he's enjoying a homosexual activity um if he's simply attracted like just alone being attracted

05:42:21.740 to a feminine looking feminine passing body individual that would be straight

05:42:28.220 like she said it's really it has a lot to do with the genitals and the genital preference is a huge

05:42:34.700 thing with sexuality and stuff like that so it's megan fox with a d it is what if he if he likes

05:42:41.820 sucking that dick it's homosexual like i think andrew tate put it best that it is way gayer to

05:42:48.300 fuck hulk hogan with a pussy then move the dick out the way and fuck megan fox no that's oh that's

05:42:53.100 i i believe that no that's true that is that is no he did he said that he said that it's very base

05:43:01.980 it's just a little more gay to fuck a woman who looks like a dude with a vagina like it's just a

05:43:07.580 little gay hogan you're hitting just like it's a little gay to suck a woman's

05:43:11.580 bent over you don't have to even see the date you just see megan fox yeah that's so true deal with

05:43:16.460 it if she's bent over you don't she can hold it up you don't have to look at it

05:43:25.180 so i think almost anyone who's going to be open to like a pretty fluid options of genitals would

05:43:30.140 probably already themselves be like yeah i'm queer like they're almost always going to be part of the

05:43:33.740 lgbtq community the problem is is that the terms lose meaning so you can understand when you're saying

05:43:39.660 the word gay and you mean it like how we're we're talking about it here which is like um

05:43:43.740 when when males call each other and you you know don't be and we're saying that right you don't

05:43:49.420 actually mean anything about homosexuality at all when we say that i never meant it like that it's

05:43:56.220 never been used like that it's the same thing here so the term does need to have some meaning and

05:44:02.060 it's like no obviously if you're having sex with a woman you're a heterosexual man you're having

05:44:06.860 sex with a female you're a heterosexual yeah but you're a little bit more gay on the like binary

05:44:12.860 between just gross it's not gay no it's a little bit more gay if you're really attracted to every

05:44:17.260 single masculine secondary feature other than a dick that's a little bit more okay wait that wasn't

05:44:22.220 that wasn't that wasn't the statement well that's a whole thing

05:44:29.500 hulk hogan's secondary characteristics would be things like chest hair no breasts stuff like that but

05:44:34.380 still with a vagina if you're attracted to every single male sec secondary sexual characteristic

05:44:40.060 but you want a vagina it's just a little more gay than if you're attracted to a feminine appearing

05:44:45.260 woman with a vagina obviously this is true wait feminine yeah so say you have megan fox with

05:44:49.900 a vagina versus hulk hogan with a vagina if you're more into hulk hogan you're having sex with her

05:44:55.020 it's a little bit more gay than if you're having sex with megan fox with a vagina i agree with what

05:44:58.700 you're saying but that wasn't the example the example was megan fox with a dick yeah that's more

05:45:03.340 gay than for example having sex with megan heterosexual men they're gonna say i'm gonna

05:45:07.100 choose a vagina but it doesn't matter the right not i feel like that's these men are

05:45:12.940 hard no i feel but it's it's such a dumb like tell that scenario because i would like

05:45:19.500 let's be real like most transgender women are nowhere near even approaching the physical beauty

05:45:27.020 of megan fox sure i like i would argue if you were to line up a hundred transgender women like i

05:45:34.780 mean i don't know if i got a good vision for that shit but i could probably tell there's a test you

05:45:39.820 should take it what the fuck there's a test to be like is it a trans woman is it a real woman and

05:45:43.900 every single guy who has told me that has failed that test okay i've made who knows yeah because

05:45:48.380 there's like a lot of super so i agree like the average trans woman is probably not passing because

05:45:51.900 they tend not to try to even transition until post-puberty and like you can't get rid of like

05:45:55.740 nfl shoulders it's a little rough right but like i'm sorry men saying that they would prefer hulk

05:46:00.860 hogan over the vagina most of them are just lying i think a better not why is it i think because

05:46:07.100 they would rather do you realize that men actually find it and heterosexual men would actually find

05:46:12.620 that to be physically revolting to have to suck another man off they find it so physically abhorrent and

05:46:19.500 revolting that why wouldn't they go for the alternative what you're really saying there is

05:46:24.220 that men who have sex with ugly women are gay that's what you're actually saying i'm saying

05:46:30.220 men who have sex with women who have all male sex secondary women

05:46:33.500 characteristics ugly women yeah but that's ugly women don't have all and hulk hogan are what miles

05:46:39.580 like so men who have sex with ugly women

05:46:43.180 go back to my statement i said men who prefer to have sex with hulk hogan

05:46:47.100 that wasn't that wasn't the thing this hold on i will i will walk everyone through my hypothetical

05:46:53.740 again because again it is obviously more gay to suck megan fox's dick than to have sex with megan

05:46:59.180 fox's vagina obviously that's true it's a dick wait you mean wait what it's just no no no no no

05:47:06.140 i'm extending our hypothetical this example is so ridiculous though because i think a more fair

05:47:11.500 a more fair example to use let's take comparing the average woman who's of average beauty and

05:47:18.220 average her bodies physically yeah men are going to be first average comparing it to an average

05:47:23.740 transgender woman but that's not what the hypothetical is about but it's such a ridiculous

05:47:30.620 hypothetical that's how hypotheticals work you test ideas extreme also though like if we're going to

05:47:35.420 like if we're going to do i agree but there's not a lot of megan foxes with dicks running around

05:47:39.420 and there's not a lot of hope but let's also be real the extreme but let's also be realistic if

05:47:43.580 you're going to say megan fox with a dick poor megan fox and hulk hogan in this situation can't you

05:47:48.140 give like a very attractive man yeah blair white and ryan reynolds with the vagina you know what i

05:47:53.660 mean like sure we could say so white and hyper masculine but not necessarily considered like a

05:48:01.420 normal attractive hulk hogan yeah like i respect him he's a good sure uh very fit man but ryan reynolds

05:48:06.940 has like more of the female gaze i feel like than the male gaze but that's what i'm saying if you're

05:48:10.300 choosing a sex symbol for men that's megan fox you have to choose the equivalent of sure that would

05:48:15.820 be ryan reynolds with a vagina like you're saying hulk hogan but really men wouldn't be attracted what

05:48:20.220 you're actually saying though ultimately is that if a man has heterosexual sex with a female who's ugly

05:48:28.460 they're gay again ugly women aren't filled with you are because when you say if you say i am not

05:48:35.500 i can prove this i can prove this i can steal man your argument no i'm going to pause you for

05:48:40.220 let me steal man let me steal man i'm going to pot no i'm going to pause you because what you're

05:48:44.220 trying to do is frame the argument no i'm just going to steal man you and you can say if i'm wrong

05:48:47.900 or right words into my you can say if i'm wrong or right okay so the steel man is if you're attracted to

05:48:53.820 the secondary sex characteristics of the this person and they're all male they're all male

05:48:59.980 secondary sex characteristics are what we would consider male secondary sex characteristics so like

05:49:05.180 abs and a ball i don't know whatever they are chest hair yeah yeah all that wide shoulders yep got it all

05:49:10.780 of that so you're attracted to those things but you're having sex with that person because they have

05:49:17.500 an actual vagina right yeah okay so you're a little bit more gay yeah yeah yeah so so i

05:49:23.660 have i steal man this correctly uh i reject that because ugly women aren't just masculine women

05:49:29.100 i guess there's a lot of ugly women that are not yeah yeah so so hang on well there might be a guy

05:49:32.940 like a girl who's really unattractive but also has no male secondary sex characteristics and i

05:49:37.820 wouldn't say he's more gay but yeah if you're attracted to all of them if you're attracted to

05:49:41.500 ryan gosling with a vagina it's a little bit more gay yeah okay so then here's the difference the

05:49:47.260 distinction the distinction when we're asked this hypothetical who would you rather do x with

05:49:53.900 would you rather do this with the heterosexual right or have heterosexual sex or homosexual sex

05:50:00.380 based on the secondary sex characteristic beauty standards yeah and the man picks the hulk hogan

05:50:06.380 what is the objection there when you call it a cope because you switch the argument to say no it's

05:50:11.900 if they're attracted to the secondary sex characteristics i would be on board with

05:50:16.780 trans if it was similar to thai lady boys they are not pretending like they are actual females

05:50:23.500 the problem is trans women act like they are actually female brain dead okay trans women lying

05:50:30.460 about like what's going on is bad right that would be unethical in my view but like that's literally to

05:50:36.380 my point yeah a lot of men would just choose really sexy femme boys to have sex with especially if it's

05:50:42.060 casual sex but yes obviously true i i'm just telling you they're fucking coping yeah but but

05:50:47.740 but not all not all men so let me give you the question so let me give you the question back yeah

05:50:52.780 within the hypothetical of you had to choose right i understand you switching it to say i'm sorry if

05:50:59.500 you're attracted to secondary sex characteristics on a man then that means that you have homosexual

05:51:05.020 tendencies okay i can totally agree with that but you did switch it so and and you say it's cope when

05:51:13.260 men say this why would it be cope for them to pick the thing that had the vagina because they're lying

05:51:20.620 because they're not engaging honestly with the hype they are no because they're most people most

05:51:25.900 people select their sexual mates based on like how they look and how attracted they are when you put

05:51:30.700 them in this type of binary you're being like if you knew that they had a but the reality is that's

05:51:35.580 not how anyone engages in sexual dynamics at all absolutely not and most people will pick the fem

05:51:41.660 boys regularly all the time but isn't the argument isn't the argument what possible way could you

05:51:47.420 demonstrate no you don't go to thai wait a second you go to thailand and what happens in thailand is

05:51:52.780 you're left with a bifurcated choice that you must fuck a femboy or not fuck a femboy what are you talking

05:51:58.780 about actually what actually happens is that there's tons of lady boys walking around that

05:52:02.460 are hotter than most women somehow and men are actively choosing to have sex with them over

05:52:07.420 female yeah but that does not engage with what we're talking about at all no it doesn't how would

05:52:12.140 you consider those men how could that possibly engage with what we're asking which is how is it

05:52:16.700 cope for a man to take that selection you say it's because given the opportunity if a man had that

05:52:22.460 pre-existing condition they would still go after the one that had to demonstrate that okay

05:52:28.540 the rate the way that i would demonstrate that is again the moment that you move the hypothetical

05:52:32.140 into the real world instantly men suddenly swap their choice and they're fucking lady boys they're

05:52:37.580 homosexuals do that yes no yes two hundred dollars thai lady boys have boobs and dicks you dumb

05:52:46.860 yeah i don't know ass or dumb bitch also like side side note this chatter just to be clear

05:52:53.020 is and i don't think they've supported any of this i think it's dumb f-u-c-k by the way yeah oh

05:52:59.420 yeah you're not allowed to cuss i thought this is evidence to exactly what i'm talking about right

05:53:03.660 that a lot of men at the end of the day when you put into a practical they're just gonna pick how do

05:53:07.980 you know that that was in support of you i think it was he said twice that he would always pick that

05:53:13.260 he would just have sex with lady boys absolutely maybe he's gay maybe he's an actual homosexual

05:53:17.500 do you think andrew tate is game yeah i think that if you're a man who says that you would have

05:53:23.900 sex with a man for any for under any circumstances you're homosexual you heard it here andrew tate is

05:53:31.100 i feel like if you're that defensive over it then that means you must be a homosexual yeah it's like

05:53:35.820 i'm not a murderer if you're that defensive you're a murderer that's insane that now that's cope

05:53:41.500 that's actual oh i mean all of this is cope like when like there are some men by the way that are

05:53:46.860 really into pussy and i would grant that there are some men when they say how they would pick hulk

05:53:50.380 hogan they probably would right i bet you that's you i'm not saying that you're really pussy i have

05:53:54.140 no idea about your kings or preferences i'm just saying like that seems like a really big deal to

05:53:58.140 you the issue is that most guys want to get some fucking dick right that's all they really care

05:54:02.540 about and they don't mind if they're sticking it in an asshole they don't really care that

05:54:05.580 most guys most guys don't care no no they don't find that to be completely physically revolting

05:54:13.900 most of them uh you should talk to more lady boy yeah you should talk to more i've talked to lots

05:54:19.100 of men about talk to more of them i don't need to that's right i can tell you i got some men who have

05:54:23.580 gone to thailand and have been tricked into thinking that they were women at first and then they retreat

05:54:29.180 sure but the reason that they're retreating is because they were looking for vagina specifically

05:54:33.260 and they were lied to right that doesn't none of this has anything to do with the hypothetical

05:54:37.740 i just said some are being honest but a lot of men who answer this are just being copi because they're

05:54:42.220 like oh i don't want to be gay and it's like it's literally more gay to be into hulk oh you still

05:54:48.460 haven't demonstrated it though you just say no if you haven't you just say i think that most men would

05:54:53.820 that's my demonstration i think they would over female i just think they would

05:54:57.980 your demonstration is literally just being like oh well i personally wouldn't so it's not that way

05:55:04.220 and your tate is gay no the burden would be on the person who claims that hey wait a second the

05:55:10.140 non-homosexual picks the non-homosexual sex this makes sense makes logical sense the person who says

05:55:16.300 no the heterosexual would pick the homosexual sex because they have real pretty eyes no that's the

05:55:21.500 burden of proof that's the burden what do you think sexual orientation has to do with do you think it's

05:55:26.220 about like genitals the type of sex you want to have or like what you're attracted to what is it i

05:55:30.060 think it could be a combination of tons of things and with it within the confines of that exploration

05:55:35.420 though i do think that there's a revulsion factor which happens between most members of the same sex

05:55:41.500 which repels them from having any type of intercourse with each other especially men when it comes to men

05:55:47.740 having same-sex relations with each other what is the one thing men always talk about about going to

05:55:53.180 prison that they're terrified of they're terrified of the rape but again yeah but why

05:55:57.260 why are they terrified because great big bad word is horrible because not because of sex no no because

05:56:06.780 it's ten times they even they think it's ten times more revolting it's not the victimization

05:56:11.580 donated two hundred dollars hey dummy forcing that choice doesn't mean they prefer those masculine

05:56:18.460 features that's just how much better the p is that's true of course given any choice we would

05:56:24.300 rather have a beautiful woman okay right but if we were if so if you force the bifurcated choice they

05:56:30.940 choose you say that's cope because you think that most men would do this and your only line of defense

05:56:36.860 to say that is that some homosexual men have sex with lady boys no that is not my only defense that is

05:56:42.300 that is not my only defense andrew w this bitch trying to twist words the point is tie lady boys

05:56:48.620 don't think they are actually female like trans women in the usa fkn brain dead okay sorry i thought

05:56:55.980 this guy was smart it turns out he's a fucking moron okay i won't allow you to frame my arguments

05:57:01.100 or tell me what my arguments are because you are being dishonest in the framing no you're being dishonest

05:57:06.300 stop you swap the hypothetical and i watched you do it in real time at all i did not swap the

05:57:11.340 hypothetical at all there's no way you you just saying it over and over doesn't i can literally

05:57:17.740 show you how you did this what you did was you asked about a bifurcated choice once it was

05:57:22.940 demonstrated which of us would take that choice you then said the people who are attracted to

05:57:28.540 secondary sex characteristics on one or the other that's more or less homosexual the thing is though is

05:57:34.300 that you did not add in anything about attraction only which choice would you take right and part of

05:57:40.460 the which choice is which would you have sex with which to some degree we would assume in there is

05:57:44.860 some level of attraction just like you said levels of attraction include things like your sexual

05:57:51.420 orientation which genitals you would like to deal with what you're attracted to physically a number of

05:57:55.980 things like this which is why i'm saying having sex with a vagina is more straight and having set for

05:58:01.420 men than having sex with like a dick obviously however being attracted to body parts or selecting

05:58:08.940 to have sex with secondary body parts that are of the opposite gender is just a little bit more gay

05:58:14.860 obviously i see your argument but again the question was if you had to choose between this genitalia or

05:58:21.260 this genitalia which one would that's not that is not the question hold on stop stop stop that is

05:58:28.780 not the question because it's just you being dishonest and reframing because you're just being

05:58:33.020 attached to the question isn't whether you want to have sex with a dick or a pussy the question is hulk

05:58:39.660 hogan or megan fox which implies hyper masculinity and hyper femininity which is part of attraction

05:58:46.380 but you're cutting off the genitalia because i'm not cutting off the genitalia i'm including them

05:58:50.860 you guys are trying to cut off the genitalia no they're trying to cut off their person they're

05:58:53.980 trying to pretend it's only the genitalia when we're attaching it to the person no it's not the

05:58:57.820 hypothetical it's inherently not genitalia because why the fuck would i say hulk hogan and megan fox

05:59:02.380 if all i wanted to ask people about is whether they prefer pussy or dick then it's just still the

05:59:05.980 same exact thing where you're saying that if a guy is with a really ugly woman because she's just

05:59:10.620 really ugly yeah if she looks like if she looks like a man if she looks like whatever your

05:59:15.340 definition is of a man yeah even though she's just an ugly woman right you're saying if a guy

05:59:19.500 has sex with her he's gay you want me to wait until you're done that's what that's what you're

05:59:22.380 saying i can explain again you're the one cutting me off every time i talk for the second time i'll

05:59:27.500 explain again why what you just said really small words sure i'll try using little kid words if you

05:59:33.900 can can you get a coloring book maybe that would be great you got one in front of you get a purple pen yeah

05:59:38.540 do you want to color my rope and then explain to me how that's not just an ugly woman

05:59:43.100 okay the reason why i didn't say what you just finished saying

05:59:47.980 fuck what did you even say now god that's that's an ugly woman with this what that that's just an

05:59:52.620 ugly woman no okay thank you thank you actually i appreciate that the reason why it's not just an

05:59:57.660 ugly woman is because i already outlined that this is disanalogous and you're lumping in a larger

06:00:02.620 group of people than i am talking about because not all women look like hulk hogan and so

06:00:08.380 or have secondary sex characteristics my entire point is secondary sex okay wait a second so if

06:00:14.620 i started including fucking birds in this that wouldn't so could there be oh well could there

06:00:20.540 be ugly women who look like hulk hogan yeah well then your point's totally mute dipshit yes yes you

06:00:26.300 fucking oh you're fucking okay let me walk you through categorical philosophy okay let's walk

06:00:30.940 through it yeah write me a p-value premise for your argument wait wait wait what here's a

06:00:35.100 formal logic here's a picture of birds okay all sorts of birds go in this circle and inside of this

06:00:42.140 circle is seagulls okay see that seagulls so seagulls you could do canaries though they're much cuter

06:00:51.980 okay actually that's not true seagulls are cuter that's a good one this one we like in another

06:00:56.940 circle we have ugly women and then in a smaller circle inside the really small circle is hulk hogan

06:01:07.420 women and here we have just an ugly woman it's just an ugly woman how dare you just an ugly woman

06:01:15.340 how dare you they exist and if a heterosexual man has sex with one they're just a heterosexual

06:01:22.540 you know you're wrong you had to draw a portrait of me rather than dealing with categorical analysis

06:01:27.820 because you know that you're in well no i didn't say a very ugly because i'm like majority of ugly

06:01:32.300 women don't have beards and chest hair they're just ugly yeah but it doesn't it wouldn't matter

06:01:36.940 if her if her counter analysis is to say if her counter analysis is to just say no it's too far

06:01:45.180 hey uh there are there are women who exist outside this group of ugly women who are other

06:01:50.380 ugly women that wouldn't matter all that would matter is that there's women hold on it wouldn't

06:01:53.980 stop talking so i can finish my point stop talking you're going to my point you're talking

06:01:57.980 stop talking so i can finish my point you're talking about my position stop spurging stop spurging

06:02:01.100 stop spurging stop spurging it's my turn as long as you keep saying it it'll be true stop spurging

06:02:06.140 okay stop spurging we don't like spurs because he's about to reframe my argument no i'm about to

06:02:10.060 tell the truth is what i'm about to do oh my god okay so anyway and she's just gonna repeat she'll

06:02:16.940 repeat i promise she's gonna repeat this exact same thing she's gonna say stop telling me there's

06:02:21.260 i mean hold on stop there's women who exist she's still spurging hold on still spurging one of you

06:02:25.420 brian he cannot be outlining i can because i'm doing it right now so anyway yeah i am correct

06:02:32.460 so all you're doing all all she's doing is saying there's women who exist outside of the category

06:02:36.940 there's women who exist outside or inside of the category here's the i asked her are there women

06:02:41.820 who exist inside of the category of ugly women who look like hulk holkin if the answer is yes you still

06:02:46.540 haven't made a compelling argument as to how that's non-heterosexual sex or in any way even

06:02:51.820 homosexual i appreciate that you're trying to back it back up to the broader conversation

06:02:55.340 and we can go there but i just want to make it super clear that you were being completely

06:02:58.700 dishonest about my argument and you know that because you know you know categorical philosophy

06:03:03.740 so i know that you know this when you said that when i'm saying that men who have sex with ugly

06:03:08.780 women are gay you knew that you were engaging in a categorical fallacy because you know that not

06:03:13.420 all ugly women look like hulk hogan they don't have only people yes they do my claim is that write

06:03:18.380 it out in a premise for me my my premise is that men who are having sex with hulk hogan women are more

06:03:24.460 gay that's my premise so when you expand yeah but what's yeah i understand your argument what's my

06:03:30.380 argument i'm not done i'm not done yeah but what's my argument back that's where you're no that's the

06:03:35.660 disconnect i'm not moving off of this until you yeah but i'm telling you i'm actually telling you the

06:03:39.420 structural problem here the structural problems you're confusing two things so my argument back to

06:03:44.540 you though is to say no this is false inside of this category that's the distinction analysis yeah so

06:03:50.780 you're pointing at this and saying this is a category i'm denying that category exists i'm

06:03:55.500 just saying that's just another ugly woman and some ugly women look like hulk hogan yeah but you're

06:04:01.580 agreeing with me you're right i don't think i am ugly women if we use a circle for the poor chat

06:04:07.020 some if this is ugly women some of them look like hulk hogan yes not all women who are ugly look like

06:04:13.020 that's correct so when you conflate my argument as saying i didn't conflate it aren't you did no you

06:04:18.780 are being fallacious about my there's no fallacy and i need you to stop there's no fallacy for me

06:04:23.100 to engage in good faith then go ahead and tell me explain i will explain it again if you would like

06:04:29.660 modest hickam okay thank you i have a side question hold on no i will explain it one more

06:04:34.060 time for the class i really i really want to get it do you think men who have anal sex are gay like if i

06:04:41.180 if a guy does anal to a woman they're not gay but it makes them a little bit fruity yeah they're not

06:04:46.620 homosexuals because they're into it oh they're into the they're like a little gay gay so anal

06:04:51.580 sex is not inherently gay but it's a woman it's not it's a woman are they doing it to a man or a

06:04:56.300 woman that's not listen homosexual that's an act it's not for me it's not an allocation from my

06:05:02.460 worldview of logical possibilities so everybody has different worldviews for what even starts with

06:05:07.260 logical possibility homosexuality is an act it's an act it's not even an attraction as you could be a

06:05:14.460 person who's attracted to the same sex never act on it you'd never be a homosexual i know that's

06:05:19.180 pretty gay if you're attracted to men like what i could say you could say it's gay but what i'm

06:05:23.660 saying a homosexual is but then you never act on it you're super gay for instance let's say that you

06:05:28.140 had two gay animals okay two homosexual animals how do you know when they're homosexuals i mean but like

06:05:34.140 no no how do you know when they're homosexuals if the animals could talk right and be like i really

06:05:39.580 want to fuck other guys right they really want to do this thing but they what i'm saying is that

06:05:43.500 it's an action i mean homosexuality is an action yes it's an action like if you want to it's an

06:05:49.340 action guys not acting on it you're still i can't you're still gay thoughts thoughts are treated as

06:05:54.540 an action in all of the science yes it is you are completely wrong 100 all of behavioral psychology

06:06:00.780 since skinner we have treated thoughts as an action because we can train thoughts as much as you can

06:06:05.500 train other things what's the subconscious that the subconscious like what's the id the ego i'm not

06:06:12.140 talking about psychoanalysis yeah but if you're talking about the ego or what you would call the

06:06:15.980 subconscious or whatever these things are no i'm talking about wait what you're talking about like

06:06:20.220 freudian shit i'm talking about i'm just um what i'm asking is can you have thoughts that aren't even

06:06:24.780 your own thoughts uh uh yeah you can have an intrusive right so then from my world view wait wait

06:06:31.820 a black hair girl saying that a man would prioritize the extreme feminine presentation

06:06:36.700 of a female genitalia conversely would he be more repulsed by the masculine extreme or the male

06:06:42.780 genitalia that's a pretty good way of saying anyway that's a pretty good way of asking the question

06:06:47.100 becomes remember i explained to you a long time ago in a debate about the concept from the orthodox

06:06:52.220 worldview of the legisme same thing in the catholic worldview though they don't call it the legisme they

06:06:57.100 have a very similar thing which is that those bad sinful thoughts that come into your head

06:07:01.420 they're not your own they're demonic thoughts and these are not things which you would actionably

06:07:06.460 do absent the fact that those were inserted into your brain so the reason that inside of christianity

06:07:12.860 we say listen you're not really a homosexual if you're not acting on the thoughts we're not even

06:07:16.700 sure that they're yours sure so i guess my response to that would be uh what is it the sermon

06:07:22.220 on the mount where jesus or is it sermon on the mount where he says if you like if you think a

06:07:26.620 hateful thought um you should like like if you steal you should cut think of stealing you should

06:07:30.940 cut off your hand if you like lust after a woman you should pluck after your eyes so i guess i would

06:07:34.540 just say that's actually referencing that though but that's actually saying that these can be said

06:07:39.020 yeah it's saying that these thoughts which are introduced to you it's better to do anything except

06:07:43.580 act on those thoughts can i ask something well last thing is in the hypothetical i think we just

06:07:47.340 fundamentally disagree so you're saying it's in your worldview you see i thought you were like more

06:07:50.860 catholic that is part of that world view that no so you're saying that if you think what just

06:07:54.780 what are us so you're saying if you think homosexual thoughts but you don't act on them

06:07:58.460 that that that's not homosexual right but we're thinking about attract like you know having

06:08:02.380 attraction when you also said if you have those attractions but you don't act on them that's

06:08:05.100 the problem is from my world view i'm sorry i'm just trying to finish i just want to ask this

06:08:08.620 before i get my point so just to make sure i'm understanding you right if you have like gay

06:08:13.260 attraction but you don't act on it that's you're not gay yes but what are those thoughts okay not to be

06:08:19.020 too explicit but those thoughts might give you an erection and so if you look at men and you get

06:08:23.420 an erection is that gay yeah so i'm just trying to explain to you that the thoughts which are

06:08:28.860 introduced into your brain to act on these what we would consider sinful behaviors that you're not

06:08:34.540 supposed to do that's from the tradition she comes from and the tradition i come from okay so both in

06:08:40.140 both of these traditions these thoughts which are introduced into your brain that in itself is not

06:08:45.260 the same but i guess there's a difference between like an intrusive thought i'm almost done i'm

06:08:49.100 super close right those thoughts which are introduced themselves are not sins it's your

06:08:53.660 actions that make them but i guess there's a difference between like an intrusive thought

06:08:57.100 that like can just randomly come and does not have like any say over what you actually feel

06:09:00.860 and then like genuine attraction right so the question becomes this is the question

06:09:05.180 of which are which so which ones are thoughts which are introduced absent you and which ones come from

06:09:14.060 you that's a much tougher question and so in my tradition we say most of the thoughts that go

06:09:19.580 into your head are probably not yours most of them are probably demonic thoughts yeah but no if you're

06:09:24.300 having a bodily reaction that's where i was getting at that's where it becomes something gay right

06:09:30.300 it's like if you're what is it so if it gives you an erection you could still have a reaction based on

06:09:35.340 those thoughts the introduction of thoughts and have a physiological response and still never act on

06:09:40.700 those things so we have to be cautious so you're saying if a guy gets a hard on because he sees

06:09:45.260 another hot dude and wants to fuck him but never does he's not gay i'm asking you this question i'm

06:09:50.700 asking you from my from my viewpoint i'm saying that's really yeah but for my from and i'm answering you

06:09:56.860 my answer would be no but here's why from my tradition we're saying the thoughts introduced into the brain

06:10:03.980 there are thoughts introduced into the brain which are demonic thoughts and those thoughts can have all

06:10:09.180 all sorts they can put pictures in your head of all sorts of lustful things they can put pictures

06:10:13.180 in your head of all sorts of attractions you may not have this is all christian traditions have this

06:10:18.700 except maybe some protestant ones including kyla who says she's more involved with catholics she has

06:10:24.540 to kind of concede that this is also true it's no longer a thought you don't i don't have to concede

06:10:29.340 to the extent that you're trying to use it for example i don't think any person in christianity or

06:10:34.140 secular world actually believes that if a dude like say sorry i won't use brian say a guy named

06:10:40.700 tom every time he sees a guy that he's kind of into he gets really attracted he thinks about men

06:10:45.900 a lot and maybe he never masturbates to it ever every single person would say that he has a gay

06:10:51.100 sexual orientation okay every single person let me ask you let me ask this including catholicism

06:10:56.700 is that a sin from catholicism standpoint to act in homosexual ways whether he has a sexual

06:11:01.900 orientation or is doing a sin are not right but don't don't the catholics say that the reason

06:11:06.460 there's a distinction is because it's possible that the demonic is influencing him and him not

06:11:11.180 acting on it is him acting away from sin it's possible but it's also possible and a lot of catholics

06:11:16.140 would agree the pope would know that people can have a predilection to be gay and in the catholic world they

06:11:20.540 would say by not acting on your sexual orientation you're not engaging in sin no none of them are

06:11:24.860 saying you're not actually gay the catholic tradition is to say if you're not there the

06:11:28.460 whole point of their tradition for treatment for homosexuality is to say this is a sin you're not

06:11:33.820 supposed to do this and then they try to steer you away from the sin they claim that the sin comes from

06:11:39.420 the enemy the thoughts for the sin come from the enemy not from you and we know that it's not coming

06:11:44.140 from you because you're trying to get away from it that's why you're going to the church so these are

06:11:47.740 introductions into your brain of demonic thoughts you're not acting on you still just want them to

06:11:53.100 be gay no matter what this is this is your world view i'm telling you that's the catholic tradition

06:11:57.820 wait alexa you want to come in here alexa go ahead i'm going to be very careful about the words i choose

06:12:03.260 on this there are instances where things happen to someone of force i'm going to say and your body has

06:12:09.820 a natural reaction in those situations did that person want it absolutely not i would argue that they didn't

06:12:15.980 okay and i'm trying to not use i know what you're saying i just i'm not connecting why you would

06:12:21.340 talk about what you're saying during no no i'm saying so there's there's a physical bodily reaction

06:12:26.220 are you saying that that person wanted it he's saying you're saying that if someone's body naturally

06:12:31.820 i didn't say anything about the body like a wet dream

06:12:34.220 i'm saying that person is

06:12:35.260 but if it's baked no baked into this baked into would you agree that there's a really big difference

06:12:40.540 between being raped and then having a sexual response versus having constant repeated

06:12:44.700 physical stimulation is a big difference yeah during great you're actually being touched

06:12:50.220 there's a physical stimulation happening to you also baked into this is that the first

06:12:54.540 wait wait wait no one touched it please let me finish baked into this baked into what we were

06:12:59.900 talking about we have explicitly stated the guy is attracted to other men gets hard because of

06:13:05.740 other men but never actually has sex with other men gary's andrew was saying that's not gay

06:13:11.180 just don't bang on the table sorry all of us are saying no that's gay if you're attracted um you

06:13:16.540 get hard on it you want it but you don't act on it you're still gay obviously everyone would agree

06:13:21.740 that if you're attracted new topic and we're going to wrap up very soon we're going to wrap up very

06:13:27.420 soon uh i think we every time we transition topics i think we need nala to just drop a uwu or

06:13:34.460 something like sick of it yet or not i would like to hear an uwu from everybody let's do it only if

06:13:45.100 you do it i'll do it too i'll do it first no no you guys go first oh no no no this is the poison cup

06:13:50.300 okay i'll do it i'll drink after you drink i'll do it oh okay i'll drink it first i am secure in my

06:13:59.740 masculinity i'm glad so i am comfortable saying let's do it i'll do an uwu with the face expression

06:14:06.460 i can't do that no full body if you want us to put our chest into it you have to i think it was just

06:14:10.540 just do it with the boy is yours okay do i have to now you have to do it try to do it like can it be a

06:14:17.340 deep yeah yeah or can it be like does it have to be high pitch you have to commit to the big it has to

06:14:23.420 be it in your own way yeah it will that was so good that was actually great all right you have to

06:14:31.500 make andrew do it though when he comes back you can't yeah that might be a tougher sell it might

06:14:34.780 be a tough sell i'll try my best you're a professional debater okay i'll i'll try my

06:14:38.780 best i'll see what i can do i'll pull some strings kyla go ahead you will love it slay now i feel

06:14:48.540 embarrassed okay you got this you got put it in my soul do it

06:15:07.180 i'm so nervous this is gonna be on the internet forever um among among many other things

06:15:14.540 yeah let's start that wait we missed it we missed it we missed it sorry do it again so many

06:15:24.140 great things happen he's making us all uwu yeah i'm sorry i'm not gonna uwu but you have to go ahead

06:15:33.180 say it in your own voice hello oh my god i'm gonna pretend like you need to just make my dick go

06:15:44.860 soft that wasn't me that was that was uh go ahead i'm hurt it is you respectfully what no bro hello

06:15:52.860 i'm sorry why just curious why not i'm just it's just not my thing it's not your thing yeah

06:15:58.780 bankrupting that's where you dreaded life wait can you at least pull the microphone closer sorry and

06:16:06.700 tilt it up and closer to you and actually speak into it and yeah merci uh good gosh okay let me try

06:16:14.060 this wait i don't know if i can do the microphone closer it will whoa wow that's good that's a surprise

06:16:23.980 was surprisingly good good i am impressed she's practiced yeah she's for sure done it before oh

06:16:30.540 yeah please please wait if she concedes that men are stronger than women will you do it no okay

06:16:42.140 that's too much feminine energy

06:16:43.500 okay can you do a masculine uwu with like a deep voice oh yeah do like a deep one you can do like

06:16:49.180 uwu

06:16:50.060 like a gorilla

06:16:53.020 do you know the marine corps

06:16:54.380 it's

06:16:55.420 it's not that far

06:16:58.300 brown donated one hundred dollars not that far away no man cares what of girls think on dating

06:17:03.580 topics please get regular woman on here tonight's questions and discussions are pointless

06:17:10.060 i am losing brain cells i'm better off watching dumb and dumber

06:17:14.220 dumb and dumber is a classic insanely cool topics

06:17:17.020 hasn't he donated like twice already

06:17:20.060 literally if you don't like it why do you give them money but also

06:17:24.940 you are financing this

06:17:26.060 there you have it

06:17:29.660 my hate watchers never pay me so you got something good going on yeah

06:17:33.500 i guess so uh

06:17:35.740 wait where were we uh

06:17:37.100 uh with andrew

06:17:39.100 uwu-ing with andrew yeah i don't think sorry guys i'm just fixing

06:17:42.380 the tts because it got lower i spoiled all the fun i know

06:17:46.700 uh well let's try to wrap up here pretty soon

06:17:49.580 i i did do it

06:17:50.780 you did it sound like

06:17:51.900 i did it so good

06:17:55.820 you can do it again

06:17:56.620 andrew i will do an uwu again

06:17:59.020 uh if you do an ahi gal

06:18:01.820 i don't think you can do that

06:18:03.820 okay you first whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

06:18:05.900 do it first do it

06:18:07.020 i can't

06:18:07.260 he already did it

06:18:08.380 it's just the amount of his work that's the real thing

06:18:10.140 i want to let's

06:18:10.700 let's make a picky promise this is a legally binding contract

06:18:15.020 and verbally if you breach said contract do you agree to pay me an amount of ten thousand

06:18:20.540 dollars should you choose to not do the ahi gal if i yeah that's see this this

06:18:26.140 here let's actually

06:18:28.540 i'm going to draft up this sucks because i was just going to lean into the mic and say i lied and

06:18:33.020 make you do it again but now now we've gotten way too far into it the whole joke is wrecked and

06:18:38.540 i think it would still be funny oh yeah no it would definitely still be funny you can keep the

06:18:43.260 picture of the ugly woman i think this is a beautiful woman so that's good i before we wrap

06:18:49.980 up before we wrap up maybe we can try to bring this back a little bit to dating so does anybody have

06:18:56.220 anything sorry dating dating related that they would like to get off their chest before we wrap

06:19:03.260 up the show anybody anything from maybe men are pissing you off in some way it's frustrating out

06:19:08.860 there in the day i love men anything i feel like i learned so much from men like all of my mentors

06:19:13.900 are men my business partner my senseis um i feel like i learn a great deal from men um honestly i

06:19:19.580 find that it's harder to learn things from women just for me personally i don't look up to a lot of

06:19:24.940 women um just doing what i do and creating the space that i did for myself i don't really look

06:19:32.780 up to many women um at all so i mean there are women that i was i don't know why i don't have

06:19:39.180 girlfriends it's like guys i like i just kind of yeah like it's not even about sex or literally like

06:19:47.500 i just i love men okay good times anybody else i'd say two things i going off of that i think

06:19:56.380 it's and i'm curious to know your guys's stance on this of like i find it very sad but like if you

06:20:01.340 look into like social media or you know celebrities in this there are not very good role models for

06:20:08.060 dating or people to say like that is a relationship i want to strive towards and i think for a lot of

06:20:12.860 women when they're younger yeah it's easier to go to of it's easier to do these things because you're

06:20:17.260 like i there's not kind of you you get burnt basically and you just say fuck men let's do

06:20:24.300 this i'd rather make money and if i'm going to be sad and single might as well be rich and single

06:20:28.220 better be at the top than the bottom exactly and i think i do think it's sad though that there's not

06:20:33.020 a lot of good role models to follow from my standpoint after a few days of this i realized something

06:20:40.860 important i actually tweeted it out which is that if my wife died tomorrow i definitely would never

06:20:45.900 date again ever no i would live the rest of my life in solitary and be fine with it i'd be fine

06:20:53.340 with it what's that what about pornhub what about it like would you engage you would you refrain from

06:20:59.580 but that's not a relationship yeah okay yeah yeah i would i would just i would be done that's like

06:21:06.140 like i can't i i don't even understand it like i can't believe that the the level of selfishness

06:21:13.500 and degeneracy is like i mean isn't watching porn like a pretty equal sin to like being gay or

06:21:18.620 something wait what i mean because you said you would i don't know if i misheard him he said you

06:21:22.940 watched pornhub but isn't no he said no oh he said no okay i got so confused never mind i take

06:21:28.140 everything back i was like really let's do let's do this if any of you guys in the next couple minutes

06:21:34.780 think of anything that you know uh dating related you'd like to uh discuss i'm gonna do some chats

06:21:41.260 if you guys want to think about that so we have infinite singularity brian and alexa are like peanut

06:21:46.620 butter and jelly individually great but together they're a match made in youtube heaven i love that

06:21:53.260 thank you okay infinite singularity thank you um the problem is i'm allergic to peanut butter so i can

06:22:01.660 peanut butter you can be jelly is in a situation ship wait what aren't you no didn't you allude to

06:22:08.300 something in the beginning how you didn't want to talk about something huh yeah no what i think

06:22:13.100 you're situation that you didn't want to talk about wait what you didn't want to talk about

06:22:16.700 i'm single but i don't think you are no i just don't private if i was single i wouldn't privately

06:22:21.980 i don't disclose anything just because uh i uh i have a i just wouldn't disclose if i was single i

06:22:29.420 wouldn't disclose if i was in a relationship no either way i would not disclose just for security

06:22:35.500 reasons so i ask that you guys respect that okay so listen it's been like all the times i've been

06:22:40.940 on this show and i've tried to use context clues and this and that wait what the fuck is this

06:22:45.820 situation ship oh it's like not a relationship but you're kind of seeing someone and talking to

06:22:51.260 someone you're like in a situation you would call it degeneracy yeah so yeah so basically problem with

06:22:57.340 younger generations that you don't have to deal with in dating is people become intimate with one

06:23:02.300 another and they have all the connections of a relationship without the title and their

06:23:08.060 obligations it's not just in all honesty i know a lot of older people that like are in a situation

06:23:13.420 no but i'm just saying it's it's more for younger generations of like when it came about i don't

06:23:17.260 know why but we just don't like titles situation no i love titles yeah i do too but it's like people

06:23:22.700 don't want that people want the freedom but see that's the thing without the title if they want the

06:23:27.820 freedom they can go be free over there here might be an example of a situation ship two people have

06:23:34.220 been uh dating hooking up having sex for a period of three months they've never had an overt conversation

06:23:40.620 about exclusivity they haven't had a conversation of whether their boyfriend or girlfriend they would

06:23:45.340 be in a but they're like exclusive like if someone were to go hook up with someone else they would

06:23:49.820 get mad but and call it cheating because they're technically not yeah but then you know that's what

06:23:55.100 what makes it a situation we also have another chat here from infinite i was right that that

06:23:59.580 i would just call it degeneracy i know infinite singularity brian plus alexa youtube they really

06:24:05.180 love you guys together okay uh where are you taking me on our first date hey uh down the street

06:24:11.260 i don't know if there's anything around here because well we already don't have that what you

06:24:15.980 know we you said 50 50s that's how we're going so finessed okay um alan vargasi alex canadian

06:24:25.100 andrew fan canadian 200 by the way are you speak french because you're not french or you're not

06:24:31.980 in the toronto was it montreal i'm not i'm from alberta i'm from like texas of canada i see okay

06:24:38.540 well merci beaucoup for the canadian 200 erudite thinks she can outsmart andrew but he is far superior

06:24:43.980 in his arguments and thoughts she falls in all her arguments and andrew has consistently demolished

06:24:50.380 erudites arguments in many of their previous this has got to be like this is like the classic fbi

06:24:56.860 like basement dwelling mouth breather like statements that like so often like not all of your communities

06:25:01.580 like this but there's so many in your community that it just like as long as i keep saying that

06:25:04.940 this person's stupid and wrong it'll be true and it's yeah i know why are you psychoanalyzing me it's

06:25:09.180 not like your community who's just like more degeneracy and gay sex and that i will be happy that's my

06:25:15.260 community yeah my community is pretty heterogeneous but okay we have jeremy here i'm allowed to think

06:25:21.180 about hurting someone really bad but that does not mean i'm a murderer the girl in the black hair

06:25:25.500 can think she's smart but that does not mean she is red hair girl spit in my mouth

06:25:34.380 she will if you pay enough okay i'll just do it for free are you kidding i drool all the time

06:25:39.820 i'm sorry you're just stupid if you think about hurting people really bad all the time we

06:25:43.900 wouldn't call you a murderer but we might call you a fucking psychopath yeah are you

06:25:47.180 fucking deranged i i'm so tired of low iq chatters jesus i don't

06:25:54.140 okay sorry but they make you money i don't even understand that argument though if if people have

06:25:59.820 thoughts if they have like uh even even homicidal things like this they never act out on them and

06:26:05.820 they never even discuss them right and in all other ways they're functional

06:26:09.260 society if you think about hurting yourself all the time then you're you might be depressed or

06:26:15.820 suicidal obviously you're not acting towards it but if you're thinking all the time something is

06:26:20.700 obviously wrong with you you're depressed you're sad something if a guy thinks about stabbing women in

06:26:24.460 the eyes all the time and he gets hard whenever he sees like organs and stuff like that yeah he's

06:26:28.620 not necessarily a murderer at that point but he's a fucking psychopath you're just always kind of

06:26:32.220 putting extra on what's being said sure i'm being hyperbolic but what i'm saying is that we can label

06:26:37.260 psychological states that don't require actions which is why sexual orientation is a labeled

06:26:41.980 psychological state regardless of action and action can be labeled separately so when i'm playing when

06:26:47.260 i'm playing grand theft auto 5 i'm having homicidal thoughts every 15 seconds am i a psychopath

06:26:52.300 yes no am i a psychopath like when i shank her when she's down i take my money back right is that is

06:26:58.220 is that me being a psychopath no but if there's if there's a degree to which it's like happening

06:27:02.140 all the time you're visualizing it with other people you're getting like horny about oh no

06:27:05.340 i'll like i'll have friends in the game like in red dead redemption i'll have like five friends

06:27:09.820 you're just allowed to use context clues we'll grab we'll grab a rope we'll drag a woman across

06:27:13.900 into the railroad yeah but but do you want to do that to a woman am i a homicidal man wait wait

06:27:18.540 wait do you want to do that to a woman no but i mean my point is is that you can have the whole the

06:27:23.900 whole point is that context matters for defining psychological states fucking obviously right like

06:27:31.020 just because you're watching in a video this is like the argument like old christians tried to

06:27:34.700 use to like get rid of video games and stuff like the reality is that seems like your brain can tell

06:27:38.860 the difference between a grand theft auto granny that you're like being like running over right

06:27:42.540 versus a real so your brain can detect things which you have which could be fantasy and in no way

06:27:48.540 actually are something that you would do in reality like even homicidal thoughts yeah but in the case

06:27:52.780 of homicidal thoughts you're right you never acted out and you might not be a murderer but you might

06:27:56.780 have homicidal thoughts all the time and low empathy and you might be labeled you might but

06:28:00.940 you could also according to this same analogy have homicidal thoughts all the time never act them out

06:28:05.260 because you understand that they're just fantasy you don't care how you welcome to like psychology 101

06:28:09.740 yeah sometimes yeah but then don't call the comment low iq when it clearly wasn't hard it didn't seem to

06:28:14.140 be no it's not to the same point the comments are got to we didn't get to the same point the entire

06:28:19.020 point is the context around the situation right if you're dreaming about murdering people just all

06:28:24.380 the time you might be labeled as a psychopath if you're playing gta there's obviously context cuing

06:28:29.740 the types of thoughts these are clearly different situations and any good psychology person with a

06:28:34.700 basic modicum of understanding can understand how context and the super chatter and what the super

06:28:39.820 chatter said was i can have homicidal thoughts and not be a murderer you said that that's low iq even

06:28:44.940 though it's clearly true and he just admitted it okay the reason why it's low iq 14 times in a row

06:28:49.340 the reason why it's low iq is he's trying to equate it to the same 14 exactly the reason why it's low

06:28:54.860 iq is he's trying to make that analogous to the argument that you can have homosexual desires all

06:28:59.340 the time and not be a homosexual you're good murder it's telling you that's not real

06:29:05.420 by your tradition the catholic tradition that's totally right now is admitting that

06:29:09.580 men can have constant homosexual thoughts all the time get hard to men as long as it doesn't have sex

06:29:14.860 don't worry you're not no what i'm saying is that you can have thoughts which are not your own which

06:29:19.100 are introduced by the demonic and that you don't have to act on those thoughts and it happens to

06:29:22.780 people all the time okay like being a murderer is obviously not something we correlate to your

06:29:29.340 thoughts but like your attraction and sexuality is something we like clearly tie to our thoughts

06:29:33.660 like you can know you're attracted to a celebrity without ever fucking them or ever seeing them in

06:29:36.780 person like your sexual attraction is very directly correlated to your thoughts but being a murderer

06:29:43.260 like yes your thoughts matter but the action of being a murderer has nothing to do with the

06:29:47.660 thoughts like you could be a virgin but know your sexuality no no but what she's also saying

06:29:50.940 is like a lot goes into being a murderer a lot goes into like behavior a lot goes into having

06:29:56.060 sex with a dude if you're a dude i'm guessing i understand that i'm not i'm not agreeing with

06:30:00.140 either i'm just trying to explain what she's saying and you know what i mean let's go back to dating

06:30:03.580 i was about to say so it just okay anybody did anybody have any any last thing they wanted to touch on on

06:30:08.540 dating dating's rough you know what i did want to ask a question though because i want to go back

06:30:13.980 to what i said like from before when i was when you asked me if i was single and i told you that um

06:30:21.020 like we had been on and off correct yeah and what i had meant by that is like you know on and off for

06:30:28.860 me is also like when you when i argue with let's say my man at the time and we argue and we're like

06:30:35.420 okay i'm done we're like we're done that's kind of on and off to me like if i go home and i said

06:30:41.500 we're done and then like the next day you know we got back together that's on and off correct yes

06:30:46.780 okay and then you got thank you so much emotionally even if it wasn't like a consensual like two-way

06:30:53.100 like yes we sat down we broke up like that would be yeah okay but like for me if it was like okay i

06:30:59.660 said we're done i like literally i broke up with you and i went home and then maybe two days later i got

06:31:04.860 like i went back to you that's on and off correct yeah i don't think i don't think most people like

06:31:10.220 treated that way but i don't know these limits don't matter i mean that's all because you're

06:31:13.260 ending it at the end of the day whether or not it's a come like a whole conversation and whether

06:31:17.500 or not it happens all the time it's kind of related to this what's that that famous trope from friends

06:31:25.900 were they oh we were on a break were they on the break were they on the break oh yeah breaks

06:31:31.340 breaks i maybe have people here haven't seen friends but i haven't you need to watch that

06:31:36.380 show girl that's a great show i don't know i don't what do you guys think about breaks about

06:31:41.340 breaks like in a relationship i think if you're on a break you're done it's over yeah you're just

06:31:46.300 sending the pain you're done like you don't need a break hello like it's like okay wait wait but

06:31:51.180 can i give you an example though honestly yes and no okay because you want to cheat without cheating

06:31:56.700 i don't think you're gonna change my mind about this because i've been i get that and then i

06:32:00.220 always never end up with them listen i feel the same exact way i feel the same exact way but i also

06:32:05.500 think that there is slight circumstances when two people can really be going through their own

06:32:12.060 shit and really be going through separate things that are affecting the relationship and they really

06:32:18.300 need to take time apart to figure out their own shit and see if if this shit can be resolved to get

06:32:24.860 back into the relationship and see if it doesn't ever really does like it takes a break i get that

06:32:29.180 healthy and not healthy relationship or like if you really really love the person if you and your

06:32:35.580 boyfriend both love each other and you really do want to take a break to work on yourselves

06:32:40.860 individually and then get back together then i think that's correct but in a lot a lot of the times

06:32:45.980 that never happens you should still stay committed if it's genuine i did almost an entire year

06:32:51.340 separation from my husband actually like four years into our relationship uh so we didn't do a break

06:32:57.100 because yeah um it was the best thing we've ever done for our relationship that's what i'm saying

06:33:02.220 but to be clear it wasn't a break it was not a break like we weren't seeing other people exactly

06:33:05.980 yeah yeah yeah and it was one and it was like seven months long because if you're gonna in my mind if

06:33:10.860 you're gonna take a break take a fucking break yeah figure out what it is a break is not breaking

06:33:16.380 up it was it's taking time apart to you know deal with your shit i think what it really is is you

06:33:22.380 have to look at the relationship and go every single toxic pattern that i bring to this relationship

06:33:26.860 will repeat in every single relationship i have from here so if i want to work it out with this

06:33:30.620 person or any person in the future i have to figure out myself my stuff first which is what

06:33:36.220 my husband and i did and this is why like our relationship has never been healthier since we

06:33:41.100 came back from the separation like it's just it's like we're just i don't even know i can't even put

06:33:47.420 words to it we're just so happy but i would agree that like 85 percent of couples that take a break

06:33:52.780 don't work out yeah so can i ask you a real question because it's like a toxic clingy thing now it's like

06:33:57.260 you're worried about them instead of worrying about yourself yeah and and then you're like well i don't

06:34:01.340 want them to sleep with anyone else so we should just keep sleeping together but if you're worried

06:34:04.620 about them sleeping with anyone else while you're on a break then that obviously should be number

06:34:08.940 one red flag i just think you're broken up then if you're starting to see someone else you're done

06:34:12.860 like it's exactly if you're taking a break and you're not seeing anyone else and you're seriously

06:34:17.260 going to work on your relationship and your individual i've never heard of one though because

06:34:21.740 usually when people take breaks it's because i just want to like but like well here's the thing too

06:34:25.740 most people that go on breaks want to see if there's something better out there and if there's

06:34:29.260 not green then they come back and they're like okay like yeah it's like it's breaking up without the

06:34:33.420 commitment like i want to go see if i like someone else more and if i don't i kind of want to pursue

06:34:37.260 something at the moment because this isn't ideal for me it's not like that 100 of the time you don't

06:34:42.540 see other people in the time but a lot of like a little bit of time it's actually real like a lot

06:34:47.580 of couples do go through breaks and come back better don't make me deal with that i need a cheeseburger

06:34:53.420 don't make me deal with jeremy he's such a moron holy shit how much money has jeremy sent speaking of

06:34:58.620 that jeremy human thoughts don't necessarily reflect identity or intentions people often

06:35:03.100 have spontaneous sometimes disturbing thoughts that don't align with their values in cognitive

06:35:07.980 behavioral therapy thoughts are seen as separate from truths or actions that's not true at all i

06:35:12.460 think jeremy's a homosexual i'm not thinking the gate requires maybe rec i think it might have been a

06:35:19.020 type thoughts aren't seen as separate from truths no absolutely not like actions and thoughts

06:35:23.820 yeah but that's not my question my question was are they seen separate as from truths cognitive

06:35:29.740 behavior therapy doesn't really get into truths in general which is why i know that this dumb

06:35:33.580 knows nothing about cb2 oh we got modest hikima donated 200 hey no it's gross

06:35:40.780 you're gross again if i'm having sex with him he's just not a cuck so i i agree with his last part

06:36:02.380 i'm gross i uh i'm a natural body supremacist i think i've heard you talk about this you're kind

06:36:11.020 of like the actual rarity on this because you would say like jennifer aniston for example obviously

06:36:15.180 she's old enough but you'd say she's like not very attractive to you because she's had like half

06:36:19.180 a million dollars put into her face i suppose it's possible that somebody could have plastic

06:36:25.260 surgery and i could still find them attractive really mild small amounts but you're just like

06:36:28.700 natural no it's it's more so i could still find someone attractive whether they've had plastic

06:36:33.660 surgery or not but would i prefer them to have not had the plastic surgery yes

06:36:41.820 okay also i think it's incredibly i think it's incredibly i think it's incredibly this is perhaps

06:36:47.500 one of my rare feminist positions uh i think it's incredibly damaging to women that uh there you know

06:36:54.140 there's certain beauty standards and you've got the kardashians and shit that's

06:36:58.220 that's basically brainwashed and rotted the brains of vast swaths of women to feel compelled to get

06:37:04.700 these dangerous and expensive and frankly unnecessary cosmetic surgeries so yeah that's fair okay and uh

06:37:13.420 do you prefer girls with like less makeup as well like yes no makeup yes i appreciate no makeup or less

06:37:18.380 makeup um and uh it's very wholesome yeah it is yeah sorry i'm not trying to say you're cute i'm so

06:37:25.500 sorry i'm literally not yeah yeah no that's fine that's the worst thing for me no like for example

06:37:28.940 i say this all the time like it's just like kind of demasculating for a lot of guys to be like

06:37:33.980 that's cute though that's a word we would use as women it's an endearing term of endearing yeah

06:37:38.540 like i think women would appreciate that but i think like a lot of men prefer to be like feel

06:37:42.620 respected and like valued right so if you're being like oh you're so cute i can respect

06:37:45.980 the values i'm not tripping about any of that but i mean just when it comes to plastic surgery like

06:37:51.660 uh and i think a lot of men would actually agree with me it's not clear to me that

06:37:56.220 the majority of men find plastic surgery particularly appealing or attractive and then i do think it can

06:38:03.420 also it can be proxy for potentially uh unappealing personality traits um but for example i would much

06:38:12.380 prefer a woman let's say she had absolutely no boobs just totally flat i would prefer her

06:38:18.380 with a flat chest than just big fake tits if they were small and natural looking fake tits

06:38:25.980 like the have you heard of like the gummy bear fake yeah yeah i know they're crazy okay you cannot

06:38:31.420 tell when they put them on you can still you can still tell i think not the gummy bears the only way

06:38:35.660 you can tell is when you put the flashlight under the tit which is sure but i've never tried that

06:38:39.900 i mean i would still prefer i've never seen someone do that it's not it's i don't know i don't

06:38:43.980 have fake tits but apparently that you can like that oh the light it's not real i know i was about

06:38:48.860 to say it's not even it's not even so much i know i just need to see something real fast it's not

06:38:55.180 even so much about the size really but i mean i would prefer a woman who let's say she was totally

06:38:59.580 flat or maybe her boobs sagged a little bit i would prefer that than a girl who had these perfectly

06:39:04.380 perky fake tits not everyone is like you though yeah i was gonna say i would argue most men

06:39:09.340 like skinny ass girl i feel okay and in the industry yeah i feel like ever since i joined

06:39:17.980 the industry i used to be like so happy about my body i still love my body like before or after

06:39:23.340 before i joined the industry once i joined the industry i have never felt more insecure about

06:39:29.020 my body well because your your your nudity is on the table it's not even that it's not about the money

06:39:35.340 it's just like seeing all the girls in porn and like if you like look up if you literally just

06:39:39.900 click on the porn page you don't see anyone like me when you go to conventions for the industry you

06:39:44.780 don't see a lot of girls like me when you see all my photographers instagrams that shoot girls that in

06:39:50.780 the industry they never post the pictures of the skinny girls the ones with no boobs no ass they're

06:39:55.980 posting the girls that have curves big tits and i get that not obviously a lot of people like natural

06:40:03.980 but it's a reality that this industry and you know this generation you know but could you argue it's

06:40:13.580 romanticizes you know why is jenette michelle like one of the top 10 only fans content i have no idea

06:40:20.380 jenette bishoujo mom is uh who the fuck is that guy is it a lady oh she's a lady okay bad meme um

06:40:29.180 she has most egregious proportions i've ever seen she does she's done like fact transplant like 18

06:40:37.020 time she's got her boobs are like this big wait oh what's what's her name jeanette michelle and

06:40:41.260 she's like one of the top 10 only fans content characters another top one is black china again

06:40:45.580 none of that's real oh yeah if you look at a lot of the top 10 there's a couple of like

06:40:51.180 celebrities that are more natural looking but most of them are like hyper plastic and it's not that

06:40:56.220 a lot of natural girls aren't dominating in the industry that's not what i'm talking about it's

06:41:00.620 just if you really look at the reality if you if you were to say think of like five you know but i'm

06:41:06.540 not talking about okay but we're talking we're talking about different things like because i'm

06:41:10.620 talking about like what but but i i'm willing to admit that probably if you have fake breasts

06:41:17.820 you have nice fake breasts that that would perhaps give you some competitive advantage

06:41:23.020 when it comes to would it could it be the case that men are more likely to purchase your only fans if you

06:41:28.780 have fake breasts could you be a bit more eye-catching with fake breasts in that context yes but in terms of

06:41:35.580 a woman that i'm looking to date or have a relationship and speaking i'd speak broadly here

06:41:41.660 i think most men frankly don't really prefer women with plastic surgery i'm not saying that there

06:41:49.740 of course there's men who are attracted to women with plastic surgery you have no idea how many guys

06:41:54.220 that i've actually liked have come up to me and literally said i just don't think i can be with you

06:41:59.500 because you don't have what i want they're assholes you don't have ass well i mean look i guess people

06:42:04.380 are entitled to their preferences when it comes to that but and especially it's it's because you

06:42:09.420 never know what a person like i i've never been the skinny in my life i used to have really big tits

06:42:13.740 really big whatever right i have health issues so it's just like people are very insensitive and

06:42:19.420 obviously society now with what you guys were saying like kim kardashian and like all the role models that

06:42:24.940 are in the society now in this generation it's just it sucks that that is what the norm is and

06:42:31.580 what okay you know yeah and i can add a little bit to it so i mean in your case you don't you don't

06:42:36.140 currently have plastic surgery no are you can have you considered getting yes fake breasts yes okay uh

06:42:42.300 i mean my advice to you would be don't do it yeah well don't do it um i think you're beautiful as you

06:42:49.260 are without the need to undergo dangerous in the necessary surgery um and uh and i actually have

06:42:57.020 a somewhat hot take on this but just to expand on my previous point so when it comes to plastic

06:43:01.180 surgery i think a girl who's flat is oh fuck okay oh it's james sexton the look on andrew's face for

06:43:10.620 the entire time the discourse shifts to an extended discussion on breast augmentation is the greatest

06:43:16.300 thing i've ever seen great show to yo james sexton thank you man appreciate it if you guys are in new

06:43:21.500 york and you need a divorce attorney oh he's the guy you're a divorce attorney no no that guy

06:43:27.580 james sexton i was like i'm so confused right now i'm so confused yes that would be the section wilson

06:43:34.940 and associates look no further than esquire james sexton and in fact nala can you do a quick endorsement

06:43:43.340 into this camera no i meant like an endorsement can you just say into this camera james sexton

06:43:53.900 is the best divorce attorney in new york city he's gonna use that for ads

06:44:00.940 you don't have to wait james james james never listen what do i get out of this he'll never he might

06:44:06.620 use it but it'll be hilarious he might use it james i will grant you james oh god this he's a lawyer

06:44:12.860 so he might actually like believe in i will grant you a limited use license to use the next 30 seconds

06:44:19.020 of this podcast you uh commercial use that's fine perpetuity even you think that's what he wants

06:44:25.900 i will grant you perpetuity james uh you can use this in advertising you think that's what he wants

06:44:32.220 to just adrian of course he does of course come down here get a divorce

06:44:40.780 divorce your wife

06:44:45.180 okay does your husband want one of these

06:44:49.580 okay so the point i was trying to make um so prefer a girl who's flat versus a girl who has fake tits

06:44:56.220 i prefer a girl with a little belly fat than a girl who has lipo belly i prefer a girl with a no ass

06:45:01.580 than with a bbl i prefer a girl with small upper lip than a girl with lip filler i would prefer a girl

06:45:09.180 not a boy

06:45:11.340 no i just thought you were going there i just

06:45:14.300 okay i would prefer a girl with a large labia then with the labia place

06:45:20.220 uh big big labia matter blm that's my non-profit organization

06:45:28.540 lady majora nora both can be the bigger the better um but uh and like uh going around the table has

06:45:38.860 anybody here had any cosmetic surgery not a lot what have i had done oh i thought your teeth i think

06:45:45.500 don't know my teeth are so what about they're so swollen right now because i'm on my period though

06:45:49.740 are you considering lip injections because a lot of girls don't consider lip injections

06:45:53.340 cosmetic but i yeah that's not like plastic surgery i would consider that feels plastic yeah

06:45:58.460 james sexton donated 200 dollars i'm trying to put me out of business no thanks but the firm of

06:46:06.540 sexton wilson and associates does have a nice ring to it again great show tonight thanks james

06:46:13.100 james thank you appreciate it again guys if you're in new york and you need a family

06:46:17.340 law attorney look no further i'm so confused that's right he's part of family he'll hate your

06:46:23.100 wife as much as you do don't worry he's he's also uh he does maritime law too so i'm just if you marry

06:46:29.500 any of these women you're gonna need him also tree law he's also very much involved in tree law

06:46:37.500 do you guys know that i didn't know this but trees are expensive as

06:46:41.900 fuck if you cut down a tree you're fucked yeah yeah you need like tens of thousands of dollars

06:46:46.780 sometimes if you're you got some dispute with your neighbor and you like okay i'm gonna

06:46:50.700 their tree up that's like six feet you might owe them six figures right james right i think

06:46:56.620 wait james don't cut down any trees do you do tree law have you done any tree law i'm just curious

06:47:01.020 any tree law james i remember my boyfriend in high school hit a tree and he had to pay the city

06:47:05.340 twenty thousand dollars oh yeah so here's also a thing if you plant a tree always be considerate

06:47:10.940 like if you have a house be very considerate of where the um plumbing is because the roots will

06:47:15.660 actually damage it can be like six figures oh wow also what it's covering because they can literally

06:47:19.500 oh wow yeah trees wait so nala no i thought you had for some reason i thought you had fake titties i've

06:47:26.140 literally had no surgery done i have lip filler i got botox in my forehead i had to stop that because i

06:47:30.780 couldn't make like expressions wait nick can you pull up nala's instagram i want to do you have

06:47:36.380 any photos of your lamborghini first off yeah if you scroll down there's a picture of it um with me

06:47:42.140 um what oh it's a mic oh i'm so sorry if you scroll down you'll see me at a car wash in like a blue

06:47:47.660 bikini wait maddie are you maddie can you come back or are you still working okay just literally scroll

06:47:54.140 down i want to wrap up pretty soon i'd want okay um well i was just curious because like you've undergone

06:48:00.300 a pretty big transformation right in terms of so like do you have any photos of you where you

06:48:05.420 don't have red hair i'm just curious yeah that was like six years ago it's like that's like

06:48:09.020 at the very bottom you saw the passenger child photos earlier yeah actually this might be her

06:48:15.660 i don't know if we can look i think bikinis are allowed on youtube and twitch for sure doesn't

06:48:20.300 yeah okay i think you'd be good unless there's like nips basically no there's absolutely yeah well

06:48:25.660 whatever okay instagram would not allow that i would anyways um for some women maybe not me

06:48:32.700 i just think you you can take any woman who's had like breast implants bbl

06:48:37.420 like uh i guess lipo lips i with certainty i can say i would prefer all those women

06:48:46.060 had they not had any of those uh procedures so sure so which is great any young women any young

06:48:56.060 women who are considering getting any sort of plastic surgery i want you guys to know that there

06:49:02.620 are plenty of men out there that will think you're beautiful and love you and find you sexy and attractive

06:49:08.860 without the need to undergo dangerous expensive unnecessary cosmetic surgery can i tell you a

06:49:16.380 crazy stat that's been replicated what's that plastic surgery so small amounts of it like one

06:49:21.580 to two plastic surgeries are one of the most preventative things you can do for a psychiatric

06:49:25.980 illness that's crazy like in the it has a preventative effect for like 10 to 30 years that's

06:49:31.500 more than like any therapy medication yeah it's crazy because like in the military it reduces the

06:49:36.380 the likelihood for women to get like their boobs done because it's like for their mental health

06:49:40.220 it's like a cognitive dissonance thing if you look in the mirror every day and you're like slightly

06:49:43.660 unhappy yeah it's actually crazy we never expected it but like really small amounts of plastic surgery

06:49:49.180 can be very protective against psychiatric illness because you basically if there's a part of your body

06:49:53.100 that you look at and you just always hate it a little bit yeah if you just make that not look

06:49:57.180 that way you'll be significantly there's a there's and i'm not saying that you should get

06:50:01.740 cosmetic surgery you should get therapy instead but obviously what we need to do

06:50:05.580 is take back the culture yeah and embolden women to see their innate natural without and i don't

06:50:13.340 think we should stop praising the woman because he had until he said you know stop worshiping

06:50:19.020 well it's liberal brian tonight yeah it's progressive brian i guess so i guess so

06:50:25.100 i'm a big advocate we need women need to just travel to other countries because you go to europe those

06:50:29.740 guys very little makeup is desirable no plastic surgery just go somewhere else where the beauty

06:50:34.540 i leave here like you're my mental health is like significantly like i don't want to touch my

06:50:40.940 body i don't want to do anything i don't even want to be like in the industry anymore because it's just

06:50:45.260 like it's so much more like natural yeah everyone there is just happier healthier you know even if

06:50:52.620 you're not doing anything it's just like they're so they're such a tight-knit community you know what i

06:50:57.420 mean i'll just i'll say this i think that we should encourage women to develop a constitution where

06:51:07.020 not like a liberal i'm like the american constitution we need to develop a constitution of character that

06:51:13.980 so that they don't feel compelled to go and get plastic surgery and that they even take some sort of

06:51:21.020 pride in being like i don't need to get i take so much pride in that like again she says like this

06:51:28.700 industry yeah okay well no but like that dissolves that goes away like it's not permanent and lip

06:51:34.780 filler is not the most invasive absolutely not it takes like less than five minutes but nala i think

06:51:40.220 you would be just as attractive without the lip filler oh i do too but for me it was like i really

06:51:46.300 wanted it like i was like i love my lips i love my lip shape don't change the shape of my lips

06:51:51.580 just enlarge them a little bit which you can also do with some lip glosses like they plump your lips

06:51:56.780 like you know what i mean so for me that was like this is something super minor and if i don't like it

06:52:02.220 down the line it will go away so that made me really happy but again your thing is uh anime right yeah

06:52:08.300 yeah so but don't they usually have small mouths i don't i mean i think so most of the time but for me i'm

06:52:14.060 not like trying to look like an anime this is just me and i'm into anime and i cosplay but that's

06:52:21.420 about it i'm not like claiming to be an anime character or anything no i know but like the phrases

06:52:26.860 and the like that the cross-eyed that's all like uh japanese anime stuff right

06:52:32.220 anyone ever told you like that you're trying to like appropriate like they're like japanese culture

06:52:38.540 absolutely not in fact i've gotten like next time next time well i have a couple japanese friends

06:52:44.860 who speak fluent in japanese and stuff and they're like so happy for me that i'm engaging it this way

06:52:51.900 because they're like you're respecting it you're trying to learn about it you're not just watching

06:52:56.140 anime and claiming to be something which is that's fine they don't care anyway they're all they do

06:53:01.260 though i think you'd be surprised how much they actually care let's uh let me just get through

06:53:06.780 some chats and we are going to wrap here very soon i think within five minutes actually really quick

06:53:10.780 question maybe for the feminists here what is a stronger feminist position saying that women

06:53:16.460 shouldn't get cosmetic surgery or saying women should have the freedom because i've heard both from

06:53:23.260 feminists that it's like someone argue ones like dworkin andrea dworkin would be like

06:53:28.060 fuck plastic surgery fuck shaving she's like really intense but like probably like a dc for

06:53:32.860 example would be super pro women should have the freedom to do whatever the fuck they want yeah i

06:53:37.740 think um personally i think women should have the freedom however i think it's important to keep in

06:53:42.780 mind that a lot of the things that we consider to be like a free right to do there's still like social

06:53:47.100 influences that go beyond that yeah got it okay i was gonna say that's a big thing is like if you're

06:53:52.220 doing it because it's something that you want to do and you're not wanting to appease the other

06:53:56.620 opposite sex or get attention from them or be someone else or like exactly that you should

06:54:01.580 have the right to choose that for yourself i feel like we always do things to like appease to the

06:54:05.180 other group we want to be attracted to like we wear makeup not like we when girls like i wear

06:54:09.100 makeup for myself right because i would i really do love when i don't go out yes sure do you think

06:54:15.500 your beauty standard is informed because of like your personal feelings or do you think your beauty

06:54:19.980 standard is informed by like what both like men and women say is attractive and women well honestly

06:54:26.460 is the way i was raised my mom wears makeup in-house and also she's just like you want to

06:54:30.380 wait i'm sorry guys i do have to move on i do have to move on if you guys want you can get a final

06:54:34.780 chat in we are going to go go through the chats and then we're going to wrap the show uh jeremy

06:54:39.020 human wait did i already read this i already read this he's submitted a lot do you want me to milk

06:54:43.100 him some more for you uh no maybe i should rephrase this so the girl with the black hair can

06:54:47.820 understand think in head not same as do he's like speaking bad bad think not make bad person brain

06:54:55.980 make many think not all real think and do different that's even more thinking gay thought isn't bad

06:55:01.740 being gay not bad all right there you have it we have a loose pussy energy just catching up i'm a dude

06:55:10.300 he's a dude she's a dude we're all dudes of course you are uh uh yep that if you s the d's

06:55:17.500 l for the whole uh uh colorful lady boy panel abdul you know what to do get the rocks

06:55:26.540 abdul yeah get the rock get the rocks we have insert name here i'm lost i like the red one can

06:55:32.940 we get a little all right go for uh lord have mercy we must stay focused brothers we must

06:55:40.060 it's still november no not november okay last day mike actually i don't even think it is isn't

06:55:45.180 it like midnight no it's december we made it we fucking you guys can go now no all right hold

06:55:52.860 on i got yo i love you erudite huge fan you actually brought me here but your arguments

06:55:57.740 argument is incoherent and your conclusions about men tonight are asinine if the genitals weren't part

06:56:02.380 of the question it would be closer to valid i'm about 90 sure that that person doesn't love me isn't

06:56:08.060 a fan maybe a jeremy old um so again just because you keep saying the argument argument is incoherent

06:56:14.700 it doesn't make that so you have to supply evidence as to why it's incoherent engaging in terrible

06:56:19.660 argumentation all right we have the real mr meatball dude i haven't seen you in a while man welcome

06:56:24.540 back thank you man really appreciate your support i know it sounds really good right now but only trashy

06:56:28.940 folks like these get plastic surgery done actually plastic surgery if you include botox then like

06:56:37.660 most people are getting men have botox like yeah so many men i just got my lashes oh i uh also uh

06:56:45.660 if your boyfriend wants you to like is pushing you to get plastic surgery red flag dump period red

06:56:52.220 flag dump him red flag tell him to get plastic surgery no literally tell him to get a vasectomy

06:56:57.740 tell him to get a dick enlargement please and if your boyfriend is shaming you for your large labia

06:57:02.620 that's that's fucked up too that means you should call brian or wrong call brian yeah dms are up

06:57:06.700 you would never shame me for that i'll talk you out of the labia okay um i'm just double checking oh

06:57:13.100 twitch guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub thank you everybody for

06:57:18.220 ab check thank you for the 25 community sub gifts really appreciate it man thank you everybody else

06:57:23.340 who uh has uh followed on twitch oh yeah follow me on instagram bd underscore atlas uh yeah then check

06:57:31.980 it out okay thank you guys and uh i think we're all caught up on every single thing uh yay everything

06:57:39.260 everything hold up let me just double check make sure i'm not missing anybody uh oh last thing and

06:57:46.220 do you guys think men only want one thing no no no oh okay all right cool all right good job um

06:57:54.940 yes to be loved okay wow i think they want food i think men want unconditional love because they

06:58:01.740 feel like only women experience it oh they get it from their mom that's true nurturing yeah yeah um i'm

06:58:12.060 trying to think if there's anything else if there's anything what was the video oh no we don't know

06:58:20.460 that's like an hour long i mean there's an hour long video yeah okay guys so

06:58:29.340 last call hit the like button please on your way out thank you for tuning in tonight guys you could

06:58:33.260 have been anywhere in the world but you are here with me i appreciate that thank you to everyone who so

06:58:37.420 generously super chats donates and supports the show uh thank you guys very much for your uh patronage

06:58:42.620 you know the uh a lot of our videos end up getting uh demonetized or age restricted because we're

06:58:49.100 talking about some of these uh you know a little more risque topics and andrew's uh five minutes into

06:58:54.780 the show is dropping uh just okay never never uh sorry sorry sorry uh uh thank you to grid one

06:59:03.820 motorsports raven dt cam h seberg lp modest jacama all you guys jay butler thank you guys really

06:59:08.540 appreciate really appreciate it um by the way i didn't mean i wasn't trying to like no no no worries

06:59:14.700 um thank you to the wonderful panel uh thank you guys so much uh this was i think one of our

06:59:20.860 uh definitely fun fun show you guys were great so thank you um check out uh i know

06:59:26.140 uh you have a youtube channel uh sub to my only fans i have a twitch twitch andrew's uh andrew wilson's

06:59:36.300 the crucible the link for everybody's instagrams oh just for the clip yeah can you throw pixie out

06:59:41.660 why would you throw me out physically off the railing too wait why yeah you gotta do it no you have

06:59:50.140 to kick a man off that would make you the true liberal feminist i can't know that would make him

06:59:54.380 the alpha pad because he's the only yeah i can't throw someone out you can throw me out um i don't

07:00:01.420 want to do like a stage yeah i don't want to do it yeah um no i don't want i don't want to do it

07:00:10.140 but uh um i mean unless somebody says some outlandish right now so it's not

07:00:15.820 stage but um i got nothing uh so check out the channel um

07:00:25.020 it's okay it's okay um any women who want to be on the show dm at whatever on instagram

07:00:29.740 we will be live again sunday at 5 p.m pacific uh thank you guys for tuning in to our thursday

07:00:35.500 show we normally don't do thursday shows but didn't one today so uh i'm trying to think of

07:00:39.980 is there any i feel like we're forgetting something is there anything we're forgetting

07:00:43.180 michael knows ran away from debating no no no no but tell you what uh we are going to reschedule that

07:00:51.900 and uh kyle i'd love to have you i'd if any of you would like to be on for that we'll

07:00:57.100 try to uh have that arranged if you guys would like to come back so uh you i think all of you

07:01:02.780 with andrew would or andrew sorry michael would be fantastic show fantastic show okay guys oh sevens

07:01:09.980 in the chat i feel like i'm really forgetting oh body count okay what's everybody wait last minute

07:01:15.020 just okay quick quick nala what's your body count no idea you don't know no is it i've never like

07:01:22.300 counted people aren't like objects to me one no four i don't know

07:01:32.940 you don't know because it's because it's high do you want to arrange like what do you like if you gave us

07:01:39.820 a range what do you think probably like

07:01:45.180 about 40 above probably about 45 45 yeah 50 maybe yeah it's probably about 50 but it's

07:01:51.820 probably more than 50 55 but it's definitely under 70. maybe 60. maybe six maybe six and like it's

07:01:58.540 fucked up how many of those were condensed into like the same like four months of my life when i was 19.

07:02:04.540 oh so yeah 45 to 70. i think it really i think they should actually reset every year it's a

07:02:10.860 it's right i think if it reset every year then it'd be lower and wait so that you said it's uh

07:02:17.020 let's say it's 50 to 60 right you said it was condensed into what range like most of them were

07:02:21.900 like in the same like three months because i was i grew up really like my mom was really catholic

07:02:26.380 from the philippines so i couldn't like go out at all in high school and so when i like got out the

07:02:29.820 house i just started doing everything ever i did i think i did most drugs during those same

07:02:34.860 few months i did a lot of things during those few months so if anything those bodies should be

07:02:40.380 forgiven they are they are thank you so much god forgives wait hold on i have another

07:02:47.180 shit out of question fuck god does forgive uh was there in a 24-hour period was there what was

07:02:54.460 i don't want to answer this honestly but i think it'd be funny 25 period most yellow

07:03:02.380 fuck it probably like three four oh wow was it like all all at once or i had okay there was one

07:03:08.780 time it was a train of three and then there's one time it was like three separate wow but like the 24

07:03:15.900 is because like yeah i hope it was good you took some math you were up all night okay the reason it was

07:03:21.020 three was because it wasn't good like because it made me mad that like it wasn't good the first one

07:03:26.220 and so i had to go again and the second one was still bad and then the third time was valid so

07:03:29.660 honestly i'm glad it oh so you were chasing your nut yeah okay like these exactly the men have the

07:03:35.900 guaranteed nut why can't i get my that's i know i've just learned to get more vocal like you tell

07:03:40.700 men yeah it's so much more fun too when you get more vocal like in the middle hey i'm dry right

07:03:49.020 now and is this fun for you i think we should stop they'd be like the fuck people are telling

07:03:54.700 me that i missed a super chat did i read the one from spyro floropolis q for andrew which but it's

07:04:02.380 not showing up i'm sorry spyro i'm not able to actually pull it up but i can go ahead and read it

07:04:06.940 um i'm wondering nick is no i don't think you're going to be able to find it q for andrew which of

07:04:11.820 the women on the panel would need the services of sexton wilson and associates if each of them got

07:04:16.540 married or wait i did read this one according to andrew all of us wait also everyone close your

07:04:22.460 eyes let nsc talk for five seconds ones in the chat if you're feminine destiny oh wait did i i

07:04:29.660 hey spyro i'm very sorry it's not showing up in our uh stream yard so i'm not able it's a conspiracy

07:04:36.780 against you spyro that's what's going on indeed indeed okay those are someone hates you personally

07:04:43.340 okay all right guys uh oh sevens in the chat i still feel like what are we forgetting are we

07:04:48.780 nothing oh body count we didn't sorry sorry you keep forgetting uh oh i'm sorry sorry do you know

07:04:54.380 what do you want to give range or no no okay alexa i can count on one hand okay all right good times

07:05:00.860 good talk andrew hmm what's your body count uh i mean i don't i don't know i've never even thought

07:05:08.540 about it how high so it's more than one did andrew wilson have a ho face damn can you count it on one

07:05:16.300 hand he has no virtue whoa whoa or do you need two hands before it's before or would you need your

07:05:21.020 hands before you don't want the smoke you don't have one or two one or two responding to any of this

07:05:30.220 but just that one or two hands so is it did you have a degenerate phase for me to talk about these

07:05:35.580 you know i think you had a degenerate did you have a degenerate phase because his wife's watching

07:05:39.500 james then why can you count on one hand that's a little degenerate if you can't count on one well

07:05:43.180 it wasn't like 145 or whatever you said 145 140 is it 5 10 doesn't god forgive i said most of them

07:05:51.340 were like when i was 19. thank god god forgives he had a whole face god forgave him he converted we're good

07:05:56.460 okay yeah good times good times okay all right guys oh seven's in the chat we'll see you uh sunday

07:06:03.420 5 p.m pacific good night guys see ya

Whatever Podcast - December 01, 2023

She BANKRUPTS Men？! Are Women STRONGER Than Men？! Debate GOD Andrew Wilson! Ahegao Queen Nala! ｜ Dating Talk #123

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